Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 0.00 8.00 As<space>we<space>move<space>around,<space>try<space>to<space>see<space>if<space>we<space>can<space>do<space>that.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 8.00 0.56 See<space>what<space>its<space>like.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 8.56 0.72 Good<space>evening.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 9.28 3.52 I'd<space>like<space>to<space>welcome<space>everyone<space>here<space>tonight<space>to<space>the<space>"Marriage<space>Amendment<space>Forum".
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 12.80 6.32 I'm<space>John<space>Brandt<space>chair<space>of<space>the<space>Maplewood<space>Human<space>Rights<space>Commission<space>and<space>moderator<space>of<space>tonight's<space>forum.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 19.36 6.72 The<space>forum<space>is<space>jointly<space>sponsored<space>by<space>the<space>Human<space>Rights<space>Commissions<space>of<space>the<space>City<space>of<space>Maplewood<space>and<space>the<space>city<space>of<space>Roseville.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 26.40 13.20 In<space>the<space>interest<space>of<space>Minnesota<space>open<space>meeting<space>laws,<space>Human<space>Rights<space>Commissioners<space>from<space>the<space>City<space>of<space>Maplewood<space>are<space>present<space>here<space>this<space>evening,<space>but<space>we<space>will<space>not<space>convene<space>a<space>commission<space>meeting<space>tonight<space>and<space>no<space>business<space>of<space>the<space>commission<space>will<space>be<space>conducted.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 40.08 2.72 We<space>have<space>four<space>excellent<space>speakers<space>here<space>this<space>evening.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 42.88 2.00 Each<space>are<space>experts<space>in<space>their<space>field.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 45.20 11.12 Are<space>here<space>tonight<space>to<space>share<space>information<space>and<space>perspectives<space>that<space>we<space>hope<space>people<space>will<space>find<space>useful<space>in<space>thinking<space>through<space>the<space>pros<space>and<space>cons<space>of<space>the<space>proposed<space>marriage<space>amendment.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 57.36 11.60 Before<space>we<space>hear<space>from<space>our<space>first<space>presenter,<space>we<space>want<space>to<space>explain<space>how<space>this<space>forum<space>was<space>developed,<space>provide<space>some<space>background<space>on<space>the<space>marriage<space>amendment<space>and<space>find<space>out<space>a<space>little<space>bit<space>about<space>who<space>is<space>in<space>the<space>audience<space>this<space>evening.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 70.00 15.12 Can<space>I<space>ask<space>people<space>to<space>stand<space>up<space>if<space>you<space>are<space>truly<space>politically<space>independent,<space>we're<space>not<space>asking<space>anybody<space>to<space>define<space>themselves<space>as<space>a<space>Republican<space>or<space>Democrat.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 85.44 2.64 Yeah,<space>Bob,<space>I<space>think<space>you've<space>been<space>outted.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 89.60 17.84 And<space>we're<space>not<space>going<space>to<space>ask<space>anybody<space>what<space>their<space>position<space>is<space>on<space>the<space>amendment<space>or<space>whether<space>you're<space>Democrat<space>or<space>Republican<space>or<space>Conservative<space>or<space>Liberal,<space>just<space>if<space>you<space>are<space>politically<space>independent.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 108.24 2.96 Still<space>standing,<space>please<space>remain<space>standing.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 111.60 0.64 Okay.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 112.64 2.24 We<space>got<space>four<space>people.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 114.96 11.52 Now<space>second<space>question<space>among<space>the<space>people<space>standing,<space>if<space>you<space>have<space>pretty<space>much<space>decided<space>how<space>you<space>were<space>going<space>to<space>vote<space>on<space>the<space>marriage<space>amendment,<space>want<space>you<space>to<space>sit<space>back<space>down.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 127.92 1.12 Okay.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 129.52 1.28 Thank<space>you.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 132.48 9.12 Which<space>leaves,<space>maybe<space>two<space>people,<space>maybe.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 142.32 1.12 Armando?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 144.00 1.60 Alright,<space>good<space>job.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 145.76 1.44 We<space>got<space>another<space>recruit.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 147.44 0.56 Okay.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 148.08 6.88 We'Ve<space>got<space>a<space>little<space>experiment<space>here<space>and<space>we're<space>asking<space>for<space>two<space>volunteers<space>and<space>we<space>happen<space>to<space>have<space>just<space>two.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 155.76 16.80 If<space>you<space>would<space>go<space>see<space>Maurice<space>over<space>here,<space>we've<space>got<space>a<space>little<space>experiment<space>and<space>you<space>two<space>folks<space>are<space>going<space>to<space>be<space>part<space>of<space>our<space>integrity<space>response<space>at<space>the<space>end<space>of<space>this<space>presentation,<space>to<space>give<space>a<space>little<space>feedback<space>on<space>how<space>we<space>did<space>with<space>this<space>event.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 172.72 16.72 So<space>if<space>you'll<space>see<space>Maurice,<space>you'll<space>get<space>it<space>via<space>a<space>name<space>tag,<space>and<space>Theresa<space>will<space>give<space>you<space>a<space>handout<space>so<space>that<space>you<space>know<space>what<space>the<space>four<space>questions<space>are<space>that<space>we're<space>going<space>to<space>be<space>talking<space>about<space>tonight.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 191.28 4.64 And<space>the<space>questions<space>for<space>our<space>integrity<space>review<space>panel,<space>are<space>up<space>on<space>the<space>screen.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 196.88 1.84 I'll<space>leave<space>them<space>up<space>there<space>for<space>just<space>a<space>second.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 199.04 1.20 So<space>you<space>can<space>see<space>them.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 200.24 2.00 Unfortunately,<space>I<space>can't<space>read<space>them<space>from<space>here.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 202.24 11.28 So<space>if<space>you<space>can<space>read<space>them,<space>we'll<space>also<space>bring<space>those<space>up<space>at<space>the<space>end<space>of<space>the<space>forum.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 214.16 7.44 When<space>voters<space>go<space>to<space>the<space>polls<space>on<space>November<space>6th,<space>people<space>will<space>simply<space>vote<space>yes<space>or<space>no<space>on<space>the<space>amendment<space>questions.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 222.00 5.20 But<space>the<space>commission<space>believes<space>that<space>citizens<space>of<space>Minnesota<space>will<space>vote<space>yes<space>or<space>no<space>for<space>many<space>different<space>reasons.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 227.44 14.64 Many<space>in<space>the<space>audience<space>came<space>here<space>tonight<space>with<space>an<space>opinion<space>and<space>not<space>undoubtedly<space>many<space>are<space>here<space>this<space>evening<space>that<space>have<space>already<space>decided<space>how<space>they're<space>going<space>to<space>vote,<space>and<space>many<space>people<space>are<space>perhaps<space>even<space>passionate<space>about<space>the<space>outcome.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 242.40 10.32 So<space>let's<space>acknowledge<space>that<space>reasonable<space>people<space>see<space>these<space>issues<space>very<space>differently<space>and<space>that<space>we<space>all<space>have<space>a<space>responsibility<space>to<space>be<space>civil<space>and<space>respectful<space>of<space>our<space>neighbors<space>who<space>have<space>different<space>viewpoints.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 253.20 2.56 Please<space>listen<space>and<space>hear-<space>I'm<space>sorry.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 255.76 7.28 People<space>listen<space>and<space>hear<space>others<space>better<space>when<space>discussions<space>are<space>more<space>respectful<space>than<space>passionate.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 263.76 9.68 To<space>bring<space>everybody<space>up<space>to<space>speed<space>on<space>the<space>current<space>status<space>of<space>gay<space>marriage,<space>I<space>have<space>a<space>few<space>slides<space>and<space>I'm<space>gonna<space>have<space>to<space>move<space>down<space>to<space>the<space>screen.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 273.76 1.76 can<space>people<space>still<space>hear<space>me<space>okay?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 275.60 1.68 Yes.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 278.40 18.16 Gay<space>marriage<space>is<space>recognized<space>in<space>six<space>states<space>and<space>Washington<space>DC<space>states<space>that<space>currently<space>recognize<space>gay<space>marriage<space>include:<space>Vermont<space>New<space>Hampshire,<space>Massachusetts,<space>Connecticut,<space>New<space>York<space>and<space>Iowa.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 297.28 7.52 Civil<space>unions<space>are<space>recognized<space>in<space>five<space>states:<space>Rhode<space>Island,<space>New<space>Jersey,<space>Delaware,<space>Illinois,<space>and<space>Hawaii.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 305.52 5.28 Gay<space>marriage<space>is<space>currently<space>not<space>legal<space>in<space>39<space>states.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 311.12 7.60 In<space>every<space>state<space>that<space>has<space>gay<space>marriage,<space>it<space>has<space>been<space>the<space>result<space>of<space>a<space>legislative<space>initiative<space>or<space>court<space>action.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 319.20 7.04 In<space>the<space>31<space>times<space>that<space>it<space>has<space>been<space>put<space>to<space>a<space>popular<space>vote,<space>gay<space>marriage<space>has<space>been<space>defeated,<space>in<space>every<space>state.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 327.04 10.56 And<space>incidentally,<space>it<space>has<space>been<space>put<space>to<space>a<space>popular<space>vote<space>or<space>will<space>be<space>put<space>to<space>a<space>popular<space>vote<space>more<space>than<space>once<space>in<space>some<space>states.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 338.72 6.40 This<space>is<space>a<space>Gallup<space>poll<space>from<space>1996<space>to<space>2012.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 345.28 6.96 And<space>it<space>helps<space>to<space>realize<space>the<space>direction<space>that<space>gay<space>marriage<space>is<space>going<space>in<space>the<space>United<space>States.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 352.24 10.08 In<space>1996,<space>68%<space>of<space>people<space>polled<space>by<space>Gallup's,<space>said<space>that<space>gay<space>marriage<space>should<space>not<space>be<space>valid.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 362.96 3.36 Only<space>27%<space>thought<space>that<space>they<space>should<space>be.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 366.72 5.60 You<space>can<space>see<space>as<space>over<space>the<space>years<space>that<space>these<space>have<space>converged.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 372.32 8.40 And<space>for<space>the<space>first<space>time<space>in<space>2011,<space>the<space>Gallup<space>poll<space>showed<space>that<space>there<space>was<space>a<space>reversal<space>in<space>2011.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 380.80 12.72 And<space>that<space>currently<space>now<space>I<space>think<space>this<space>was<space>in<space>June<space>of<space>2012,<space>that<space>it's<space>very<space>close,<space>50%<space>to<space>48%.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 394.72 5.84 in<space>November,<space>2012,<space>Gay<space>marriage<space>is<space>on<space>the<space>ballot<space>in<space>four<space>states.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 400.88 13.92 In<space>Minnesota<space>The<space>ballot<space>issue<space>is<space>to<space>decide<space>whether<space>to<space>ban<space>gay<space>marriage<space>in<space>Minnesota,<space>in<space>Maryland<space>and<space>Washington<space>The<space>ballot<space>issue<space>is<space>a<space>vote<space>to<space>wrap<space>by<space>legislation.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 415.20 6.32 And<space>in<space>May,<space>if<space>it<space>passes,<space>it<space>will<space>be<space>a<space>vote<space>to<space>legalize<space>gay<space>marriage.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 421.84 10.08 The<space>polls<space>indicate<space>that<space>each<space>one<space>of<space>these<space>ballot<space>measures<space>are<space>very<space>close<space>in<space>four<space>states.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 432.08 9.52 If<space>it<space>passes<space>in<space>any<space>of<space>these<space>states,<space>it<space>will<space>be<space>the<space>first<space>time<space>that<space>on<space>ballot<space>referendum<space>supporting<space>gay<space>marriage<space>has<space>passed<space>in<space>the<space>United<space>States.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 442.72 10.80 Human<space>rights<space>commission<space>announced<space>over<space>the<space>summer<space>that<space>we<space>would<space>host<space>two<space>educational<space>events<space>on<space>the<space>proposed<space>constitutional<space>amendments,<space>one<space>on<space>voter<space>identification<space>and<space>the<space>other<space>on<space>the<space>marriage<space>amendment.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 453.76 3.52 We<space>chose<space>two<space>different<space>formats<space>for<space>the<space>town<space>hall<space>meetings.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 457.36 8.56 And<space>here's<space>why,<space>there<space>are<space>basically<space>two<space>ways<space>to<space>provide<space>a<space>public<space>event<space>to<space>learn<space>more<space>about<space>important<space>social<space>issues.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 466.16 9.20 One<space>is<space>the<space>traditional<space>debate<space>format<space>to<space>have<space>speakers<space>for<space>and<space>against<space>a<space>proposal,<space>take<space>polarized<space>positions<space>and<space>present<space>adversarial<space>viewpoints.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 475.68 8.48 The<space>other<space>is<space>the<space>familiar<space>academic<space>discussion,<space>essentially<space>the<space>traditional<space>classroom<space>that<space>we<space>are<space>all<space>familiar<space>with<space>from<space>high<space>school<space>or<space>college.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 484.40 10.40 With<space>the<space>academic<space>format,<space>speakers<space>are<space>invited<space>for<space>their<space>knowledge<space>in<space>a<space>particular<space>area<space>and<space>asked<space>to<space>share<space>information<space>from<space>their<space>respective<space>areas<space>of<space>expertise.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 495.20 6.24 The<space>two<space>proposed<space>amendments<space>are<space>both<space>controversial,<space>but<space>beyond<space>that,<space>they<space>are<space>quite<space>dissimilar.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 501.68 3.04 The<space>voter<space>ID<space>amendment<space>is<space>inherently<space>political.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 504.88 7.28 So<space>we<space>chose<space>a<space>traditional<space>debate<space>format<space>at<space>the<space>town<space>hall<space>meeting<space>that<space>we<space>had<space>at<space>Maplewood<space>city<space>hall,<space>two<space>weeks<space>ago.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 512.48 2.16 The<space>marriage<space>amendment<space>is<space>different.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 514.88 9.04 It<space>reaches<space>into<space>the<space>hearts<space>minds<space>and<space>souls<space>of<space>many<space>people<space>in<space>Minnesota<space>and<space>politicizes<space>very<space>personal<space>relationships<space>between<space>people.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 524.24 10.08 While<space>the<space>voter<space>ID<space>amendment<space>has<space>the<space>potential<space>to<space>change<space>how<space>people<space>vote<space>in<space>Minnesota,<space>the<space>marriage<space>amendment<space>has<space>the<space>potential<space>to<space>change<space>how<space>people<space>live<space>in<space>Minnesota.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 534.88 8.08 For<space>those<space>that<space>were<space>expecting<space>to<space>hear<space>a<space>debate<space>tonight<space>between<space>warring<space>factions<space>over<space>gay<space>marriage,<space>that<space>is<space>not<space>the<space>format.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 543.36 10.00 The<space>commission<space>shows<space>the<space>less<space>polarizing,<space>more<space>civil<space>and<space>respectful<space>academic<space>format<space>of<space>an<space>educational<space>setting<space>that<space>all<space>here<space>tonight<space>are<space>well<space>familiar<space>with.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 553.92 5.04 Who<space>should<space>have<space>the<space>burden<space>of<space>responsibility<space>to<space>make<space>the<space>case<space>for<space>social<space>change?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 559.12 6.16 Should<space>it<space>be<space>those<space>that<space>propose<space>a<space>new<space>constitutional<space>amendment<space>to<space>maintain<space>the<space>status<space>of<space>traditional<space>marriage?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 565.60 7.68 Or<space>should<space>it<space>be<space>those<space>that<space>are<space>suggesting<space>gay<space>marriage<space>should<space>be<space>recognized<space>as<space>a<space>legitimate<space>matter<space>of<space>civil<space>rights?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 574.08 9.20 The<space>truth<space>is,<space>we<space>have<space>difficulty-<space>We<space>had<space>difficulty<space>finding<space>experts<space>to<space>speak<space>on<space>either<space>side<space>of<space>this<space>issue.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 583.68 4.08 The<space>reasons<space>actually<space>are<space>fairly<space>obvious.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 588.08 8.56 There<space>are<space>a<space>lot<space>of<space>people<space>on<space>both<space>sides<space>of<space>the<space>marriage<space>amendment<space>that<space>are<space>long<space>on<space>opinions,<space>short<space>on<space>facts<space>and<space>loaded<space>for<space>bear.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 597.44 10.48 Our<space>objective<space>was<space>to<space>find<space>four<space>experts<space>that<space>have<space>the<space>education,<space>credentials,<space>knowledge<space>and<space>experience<space>to<space>bring<space>highly<space>credible<space>information<space>to<space>the<space>forum.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 608.24 15.92 To<space>that<space>end,<space>the<space>commission<space>reached<space>out<space>to<space>organizations<space>on<space>all<space>sides<space>of<space>the<space>marriage<space>amendment<space>and<space>also,<space>to<space>neutral<space>organizations<space>to<space>find<space>expert<space>speakers.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 626.08 5.60 We<space>were<space>dismayed<space>that<space>several<space>pro<space>amendment<space>organizations<space>declined<space>our<space>invitations.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 632.00 4.88 The<space>commission<space>contacted<space>organizers<space>at<space>Minnesota<space>For<space>Marriage<space>seven<space>times.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 637.12 5.60 over<space>the<space>last<space>three<space>months,<space>we<space>reached<space>out<space>to<space>them<space>three<space>times<space>by<space>email<space>and<space>four<space>times<space>by<space>phone.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 642.96 13.28 We<space>got<space>no<space>response<space>by<space>email<space>and<space>only<space>one<space>response<space>by<space>phone<space>from<space>a<space>organization<space>leader<space>who<space>told<space>me<space>that<space>Minnesota<space>For<space>Marriage<space>would<space>not<space>participate<space>in<space>our<space>event,<space>if<space>there<space>were<space>people<space>speaking<space>against<space>the<space>amendment.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 656.80 11.20 At<space>one<space>point,<space>we<space>had<space>to<space>decide<space>if<space>we<space>were<space>going<space>to<space>cancel<space>the<space>event<space>or<space>hold<space>the<space>event<space>as<space>planned<space>with<space>experts<space>that<space>could<space>speak<space>knowledgeably<space>to<space>the<space>controversies<space>around<space>the<space>marriage<space>amendment.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 668.16 15.84 We<space>decided<space>not<space>to<space>cancel<space>the<space>event,<space>incidentally,<space>our<space>efforts<space>to<space>find<space>speakers,<space>to<space>provide<space>a<space>more<space>balanced<space>forum<space>this<space>evening<space>will,<space>be<space>a<space>topic<space>of<space>discussion<space>at<space>the<space>next<space>human<space>rights<space>commission<space>meeting<space>on<space>November<space>13th<space>at<space>7:00<space>PM<space>at<space>city<space>hall.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 684.16 2.40 We<space>welcome<space>your<space>participation.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 687.12 6.80 So<space>in<space>the<space>interest<space>of<space>integrity,<space>it's<space>important<space>to<space>note<space>that<space>our<space>speakers<space>here<space>this<space>evening<space>are<space>not<space>without<space>bias.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 694.32 2.64 All<space>have<space>studied<space>the<space>issues<space>around<space>gay<space>marriage.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 696.96 3.04 For<space>many<space>years<space>before<space>this<space>proposed<space>marriage<space>amendment.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 700.32 5.52 Each<space>has<space>written<space>or<space>spoken<space>publicly<space>about<space>issues<space>surrounding<space>gay<space>marriage.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 706.24 13.92 All<space>four<space>speakers<space>are<space>experts<space>in<space>their<space>respective<space>fields,<space>but<space>in<space>the<space>interest<space>of<space>disclosure,<space>three<space>of<space>the<space>four<space>speakers<space>have<space>spoken<space>or<space>written<space>publicly<space>about<space>why<space>they<space>believe<space>the<space>marriage<space>amendment<space>would<space>not<space>be<space>good<space>public<space>policy.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 720.64 17.28 But<space>all<space>our<space>presenters<space>here<space>tonight<space>were<space>invited<space>to<space>speak<space>to<space>not<space>just<space>one<space>side<space>of<space>these<space>complex<space>issues,<space>but<space>rather<space>to<space>all<space>sides<space>of<space>the<space>many<space>competing<space>values,<space>principles<space>and<space>issues<space>related<space>to<space>marriage,<space>families,<space>and<space>children<space>in<space>Minnesota.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 738.16 15.12 They<space>are<space>here<space>tonight<space>not<space>to<space>speak<space>to<space>their<space>conclusions,<space>but<space>rather<space>to<space>share<space>some<space>of<space>the<space>facts,<space>research,<space>information,<space>experience,<space>and<space>perspectives<space>that<space>we<space>hope<space>will<space>lead<space>those<space>in<space>the<space>audience<space>to<space>their<space>own<space>conclusions.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 753.84 5.04 We<space>are<space>expecting<space>all<space>of<space>our<space>speakers<space>to<space>be<space>long<space>on<space>facts<space>and<space>short<space>on<space>opinions.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 759.28 6.72 We<space>hope<space>every<space>member<space>of<space>the<space>audience<space>here<space>this<space>evening<space>will<space>listen<space>critically<space>to<space>the<space>information<space>that<space>speakers<space>will<space>share<space>with<space>you.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 766.00 7.60 And<space>you<space>will<space>be<space>the<space>judge<space>as<space>to<space>whether<space>the<space>information<space>presented<space>leads<space>you<space>to<space>vote<space>yes,<space>or<space>vote<space>no<space>on<space>the<space>amendment.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 773.92 11.84 At<space>the<space>end<space>of<space>the-<space>At<space>the<space>end<space>of<space>the<space>forum,<space>we<space>will<space>ask<space>our<space>review<space>panel<space>members<space>to<space>indicate<space>whether<space>they<space>think<space>we<space>met<space>our<space>objectives<space>this<space>evening<space>for<space>educational<space>integrity.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 786.40 3.44 Let<space>me<space>say<space>briefly<space>why<space>this<space>amendment<space>matters<space>to<space>so<space>many<space>people.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 790.08 4.00 If<space>it<space>passes,<space>gay<space>marriage<space>in<space>Minnesota<space>will<space>be<space>unconstitutional.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 794.56 8.16 Pass<space>or<space>fail,<space>it<space>will<space>affect<space>a<space>lot<space>of<space>people<space>in<space>Minnesota.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 803.52 5.04 And<space>let<space>me<space>tell<space>you<space>why<space>the<space>outcome<space>may<space>not<space>decide<space>the<space>future<space>of<space>marriage<space>in<space>Minnesota.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 808.80 10.00 On<space>November<space>7th,<space>the<space>morning<space>after<space>the<space>election<space>day,<space>the<space>sun<space>will<space>rise<space>as<space>it<space>always<space>has,<space>regardless<space>of<space>the<space>outcome<space>of<space>the<space>marriage<space>amendment<space>gay<space>marriage<space>in<space>Minnesota<space>will<space>still<space>be<space>illegal.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 818.96 4.64 And<space>there's<space>another<space>important<space>reason<space>why<space>the<space>outcome<space>might<space>be<space>short-lived.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 823.84 4.96 This<space>issue<space>is<space>already<space>in<space>the<space>federal<space>courts<space>and<space>may<space>end<space>up<space>being<space>decided<space>by<space>the<space>Supreme<space>court.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 828.96 5.44 Our<space>law<space>professor<space>here<space>this<space>evening,<space>Mark<space>Ostler<space>will<space>speak<space>to<space>these<space>issues<space>in<space>just<space>a<space>minute.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 834.80 10.32 So<space>with<space>all<space>this<space>in<space>mind,<space>I'd<space>like<space>to<space>share<space>with<space>you<space>one<space>of<space>my<space>favorite<space>quotes:<space>"Everything<space>is<space>either<space>going<space>to<space>get<space>better<space>or<space>it's<space>going<space>to<space>get<space>worse.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 845.20 5.20 So<space>we<space>are<space>either<space>worrying<space>about<space>nothing<space>or<space>we<space>are<space>worrying<space>too<space>soon".
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 851.60 2.24 Here's<space>the<space>format<space>for<space>our<space>speakers<space>tonight.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 853.92 3.44 Each<space>speaker<space>will<space>have<space>about<space>15<space>minutes<space>to<space>present<space>their<space>information.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 857.60 2.80 We<space>will<space>have<space>time<space>for<space>questions<space>after<space>each<space>speaker.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 860.40 11.76 And<space>we<space>believe<space>that<space>by<space>allowing<space>questions<space>from<space>the<space>audience<space>to<space>challenge<space>our<space>panel,<space>by<space>respectfully<space>raising<space>good<space>questions,<space>we<space>can<space>maintain<space>both<space>integrity<space>and<space>civility.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 872.32 2.40 We<space>will<space>take<space>a<space>break<space>halfway<space>through<space>the<space>forum.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 874.80 8.40 After<space>the<space>break,<space>we<space>will<space>hear<space>from<space>our<space>last<space>two<space>speakers,<space>get<space>some<space>feedback<space>from<space>our<space>review<space>panel<space>and<space>we'll<space>leave<space>time<space>at<space>the<space>end<space>for<space>refreshments.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 883.60 6.32 I'd<space>like<space>to<space>introduce,<space>excuse<space>me,<space>all<space>of<space>our,<space>our<space>speakers<space>this<space>evening.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 890.16 5.12 And<space>I'll<space>ask<space>you<space>to<space>hold<space>your<space>applause<space>until<space>I've<space>introduced<space>all<space>four<space>speakers.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 895.52 4.00 Our<space>first<space>speaker<space>will<space>be<space>professor<space>Mark<space>Ostler.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 899.60 8.64 Mark<space>Ostler<space>is<space>a<space>professor<space>of<space>law<space>at<space>the<space>university<space>of<space>St.<space>Thomas<space>in<space>Minneapolis,<space>a<space>graduate<space>of<space>the<space>college<space>of<space>William<space>and<space>Mary<space>and<space>Yale<space>law<space>school.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 908.48 4.24 His<space>work<space>frequently<space>strikes<space>at<space>the<space>intersection<space>of<space>law<space>and<space>faith.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 912.88 5.60 He<space>currently<space>is<space>the<space>head<space>of<space>the<space>association<space>of<space>religiously<space>affiliated<space>law<space>schools.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 918.88 11.92 In<space>2009,<space>Mr.<space>Ostler<space>published<space>a<space>book<space>titled<space>Jesus<space>on<space>death<space>row,<space>challenging<space>the<space>death<space>penalty<space>based<space>on<space>the<space>experience<space>of<space>Christ<space>as<space>a<space>criminal<space>defendant.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 931.28 14.08 He<space>writes<space>regularly<space>on<space>religion<space>and<space>law<space>for<space>the<space>Huffington<space>post<space>and<space>has<space>been<space>interviewed<space>as<space>an<space>expert<space>on<space>sentencing<space>and<space>related<space>issues<space>on<space>CNN.<space>NPR<space>is<space>morning<space>edition<space>and<space>ABC's<space>good<space>morning<space>America.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 945.60 2.80 He's<space>been<space>sourced<space>in<space>hundreds<space>of<space>newspapers.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 948.72 10.80 In<space>2009<space>Mr.<space>Ostler<space>was<space>the<space>lead<space>counsel<space>on<space>a<space>case<space>before<space>the<space>U.S<space>Supreme<space>court,<space>on<space>the<space>winning<space>side<space>of<space>a<space>Supreme<space>court<space>decision<space>regarding<space>federal<space>sentencing<space>guidelines.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 959.68 6.56 His<space>work<space>on<space>one<space>case<space>is<space>portrayed<space>in<space>the<space>Samuel<space>Goldwyn<space>Film,<space>American<space>Violet.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 967.04 4.32 Dr.<space>Laura<space>Boysen<space>is<space>a<space>professor<space>at<space>Augsburg<space>college.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 971.52 3.44 She<space>earned<space>her<space>doctorate<space>degree<space>from<space>the<space>university<space>of<space>Minnesota.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 975.12 6.88 Since<space>1996<space>She<space>has<space>been<space>teaching<space>and<space>doing<space>research<space>at<space>Augsburg<space>college<space>in<space>the<space>department<space>of<space>social<space>work.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 982.16 5.76 In<space>the<space>1990's,<space>she<space>was<space>a<space>researcher<space>in<space>the<space>center<space>for<space>advanced<space>studies<space>in<space>child<space>welfare.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 988.24 10.56 She<space>has<space>recently<space>been<space>doing<space>research<space>on<space>the<space>meaning<space>of<space>marriage<space>with<space>gay<space>couples<space>and<space>how<space>children<space>are<space>affected<space>by<space>being<space>raised<space>in<space>gay<space>or<space>lesbian<space>households.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 999.68 5.28 Anne-Kaner<space>Roth<space>is<space>the<space>executive<space>director<space>of<space>project<space>515.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1005.12 4.32 She<space>earned<space>an<space>MSW<space>in<space>public<space>policy<space>from<space>Boston<space>University.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1009.68 4.40 She's<space>on<space>the<space>national<space>board<space>of<space>directors<space>of<space>the<space>equality<space>Federation.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1014.40 8.40 In<space>2006<space>and<space>7,<space>she<space>was<space>the<space>University<space>of<space>Minnesota,<space>Humphrey<space>Institute<space>as<space>a<space>policy<space>fellow.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1023.36 4.32 She<space>lives<space>in<space>Minneapolis<space>with<space>her<space>husband<space>Mark<space>and<space>three<space>children.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1028.48 5.36 Reverend<space>Grant<space>Stevenson<space>has<space>been<space>a<space>Pastor<space>for<space>20<space>years.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1034.08 6.40 And<space>besides<space>Minnesota<space>has<space>ministered<space>in<space>Wisconsin,<space>Taiwan<space>and<space>new<space>Guinea.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1040.80 9.52 He<space>is<space>currently<space>a<space>Pastor<space>at<space>St.<space>Matthew's<space>Lutheran<space>Church<space>in<space>St.<space>Paul<space>and<space>the<space>faith<space>director<space>for<space>Minnesota<space>United<space>for<space>all<space>families.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1051.28 4.80 Reverend<space>Stevenson,<space>and<space>his<space>wife,<space>Karen<space>have<space>five<space>sons.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1056.32 10.00 Would<space>you<space>please<space>give<space>a<space>welcome<space>to<space>our<space>panel.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1066.80 9.92 And<space>with<space>that,<space>I<space>will<space>turn<space>it<space>over<space>to<space>our<space>first<space>presenter<space>professor,<space>Mark<space>Ostler.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1078.88 1.60 Well,<space>it's<space>a<space>pleasure<space>to<space>be<space>here.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1080.48 9.84 The<space>first<space>thing<space>I<space>should<space>probably<space>make<space>very<space>clear<space>is<space>that<space>I'm<space>from<space>the<space>university<space>of<space>St.<space>Thomas,<space>but<space>I<space>don't<space>represent<space>the<space>official<space>views<space>of<space>the<space>university<space>of<space>St.<space>Thomas.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1090.40 2.24 I<space>really,<space>really<space>don't.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1093.04 4.96 If<space>you,<space>if<space>you<space>followed<space>the<space>discussion<space>there.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1098.88 5.68 I<space>am<space>really<space>fortunate<space>though,<space>to<space>work<space>in<space>a<space>place<space>where<space>there's<space>a<space>diversity<space>of<space>viewpoints.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1104.96 6.48 This<space>is<space>an<space>issue,<space>and<space>I'm<space>going<space>to<space>talk<space>about<space>the<space>legal<space>perspective<space>as<space>well<space>as<space>my<space>own<space>personal<space>perspective.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1111.52 8.08 I<space>can't<space>really<space>separate<space>the<space>two<space>since<space>I'm<space>an<space>attorney,<space>but<space>I<space>think<space>there's<space>principal<space>positions<space>on<space>both<space>sides<space>of<space>this<space>debate.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1119.92 6.80 About<space>a<space>year<space>ago,<space>I<space>wrote<space>a<space>piece<space>for<space>the<space>Star<space>Tribune<space>about<space>the<space>coming<space>controversy<space>on<space>this.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1127.12 12.48 And<space>talk<space>to<space>my-<space>The<space>person<space>in<space>the<space>office<space>next<space>to<space>me<space>is<space>Teresa<space>Colette,<space>who<space>is<space>one<space>of<space>the<space>leading<space>speakers<space>on<space>the<space>other<space>side,<space>who's<space>a<space>friend<space>of<space>mine<space>and<space>a<space>colleague<space>and<space>someone<space>whose<space>opinion<space>I<space>respect.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1139.92 4.80 And<space>I<space>talked<space>to<space>her<space>about<space>that<space>I<space>was<space>going<space>to<space>start<space>writing<space>about<space>this.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1145.12 10.40 And<space>one<space>of<space>the<space>things<space>that<space>I<space>told<space>her,<space>that<space>I'm<space>going<space>to<space>tell<space>you<space>right<space>now<space>as<space>my<space>starting<space>point,<space>is<space>what<space>I<space>think<space>is<space>the<space>best<space>argument<space>on<space>the<space>other<space>side.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1155.76 1.92 And<space>it's<space>not<space>legal<space>at<space>all.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1158.08 8.00 It's<space>a<space>simple<space>story<space>of<space>a<space>few<space>moments<space>that<space>some<space>of<space>you<space>have<space>experienced,<space>I<space>think,<space>and<space>it's<space>this:<space>I'm<space>a<space>father.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1166.32 8.00 I<space>have<space>three<space>children,<space>my<space>wife<space>and<space>I<space>have<space>put<space>those<space>children<space>at<space>the<space>center<space>of<space>our<space>lives,<space>as<space>some<space>of<space>you<space>have<space>with<space>your<space>own<space>children.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1174.96 6.08 When<space>they<space>were<space>babies,<space>there<space>was<space>something<space>that<space>happened<space>with<space>those<space>babies<space>and<space>us.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1181.04 6.40 And<space>it<space>was<space>this,<space>that<space>when<space>I<space>was<space>holding<space>one<space>of<space>the<space>boys,<space>all<space>three<space>of<space>them<space>are<space>boys.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1187.84 7.12 I<space>was<space>swinging<space>them<space>around<space>and<space>pretending<space>that<space>they<space>were<space>falling<space>and<space>catching<space>them<space>and<space>tossing<space>them<space>up<space>in<space>the<space>air.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1195.44 3.52 And<space>then<space>when<space>my<space>wife<space>took<space>them,<space>she<space>didn't<space>do<space>that.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1199.20 6.88 She<space>held<space>them<space>close,<space>wrapped<space>her<space>arms<space>around<space>them,<space>kept<space>them<space>still<space>and<space>calm.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1206.56 9.20 And<space>there's<space>something<space>very<space>deep<space>in<space>that<space>that<space>men<space>and<space>women<space>are<space>different<space>in<space>certain<space>ways.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1215.84 2.00 Now,<space>is<space>it<space>socially<space>constructed?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1217.92 2.48 Is<space>it<space>something<space>that<space>is<space>within<space>our<space>nature?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1220.56 0.80 I<space>don't<space>know.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1221.52 15.28 And<space>I<space>can't<space>say<space>I<space>know<space>exactly<space>what<space>that<space>is,<space>but<space>there<space>is<space>something<space>probably<space>to<space>having<space>one<space>person<space>there<space>who<space>is<space>tossing<space>the<space>baby<space>around<space>and<space>the<space>other<space>person<space>whose<space>instinct<space>is<space>to<space>hold<space>that<space>baby<space>close<space>and<space>still.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1237.92 4.08 So<space>why<space>is<space>it<space>that<space>I'm<space>against<space>this<space>amendment?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1242.16 5.20 And<space>why<space>am<space>I<space>against<space>it<space>so<space>much<space>that<space>I<space>have<space>been<space>fairly<space>outspoken?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1247.44 8.48 It's<space>because<space>there's<space>several<space>parts<space>of<space>me<space>that<space>have<space>overwhelmed<space>that<space>instinct<space>that<space>I<space>can't<space>quite<space>describe<space>fully.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1256.40 1.60 One<space>of<space>them<space>is<space>legal.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1258.16 4.24 And<space>I'm<space>going<space>to<space>talk<space>about<space>the<space>legal<space>aspect<space>of<space>it<space>in<space>a<space>couple<space>of<space>ways.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1262.48 5.84 First<space>of<space>all,<space>the<space>law<space>already<space>prohibits<space>gay<space>marriage<space>in<space>Minnesota.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1268.96 5.12 There's<space>a<space>statute<space>that<space>defines<space>marriage<space>as<space>being<space>between<space>one<space>man<space>and<space>one<space>woman.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1274.72 3.28 So<space>this<space>isn't<space>going<space>to<space>change<space>the<space>law<space>in<space>any<space>way.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1278.16 8.88 What<space>it's<space>going<space>to<space>amend<space>is<space>the<space>constitution<space>and<space>the<space>constitution<space>is<space>fundamentally<space>different<space>than<space>a<space>law,<space>than<space>a<space>statute.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1287.36 4.16 A<space>law,<space>and<space>I,<space>you<space>know,<space>I'm<space>a<space>prosecutor<space>at<space>heart.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1291.52 3.84 I<space>was<space>a<space>federal<space>prosecutor<space>in<space>Detroit<space>before<space>I<space>started<space>teaching.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1295.76 4.96 And<space>you<space>know,<space>if<space>you<space>want<space>to<space>do<space>serious<space>law<space>enforcement,<space>Detroit's<space>the<space>place<space>to<space>go.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1301.52 4.08 It<space>was,<space>it<space>was<space>fascinating,<space>but<space>it<space>was<space>all<space>about<space>law.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1305.84 4.88 And<space>the<space>thing<space>about<space>law<space>about<space>statute<space>civil<space>or<space>criminal,<space>is<space>it<space>restricts<space>freedom.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1310.80 2.16 It<space>tells<space>you<space>what<space>you<space>can't<space>do.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1313.60 6.16 You<space>can't<space>go<space>and<space>take<space>that<space>money<space>If<space>it's<space>not<space>yours,<space>you<space>can't<space>hit<space>that<space>guy<space>in<space>the<space>bar.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1320.00 3.68 It's<space>a<space>set<space>of<space>rules<space>that<space>restricts<space>freedom.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1323.92 4.24 Now,<space>as<space>a<space>society,<space>we<space>think<space>that's<space>an<space>acceptable<space>restriction<space>on<space>freedom.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1328.32 5.04 In<space>civil<space>law<space>there<space>are<space>some<space>things<space>that<space>within<space>the<space>law,<space>if<space>somebody<space>does<space>it<space>to<space>you,<space>they<space>can<space>sue<space>you.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1333.44 3.04 They<space>can<space>enforce<space>a<space>contract,<space>if<space>you<space>sign<space>that<space>contract.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1336.96 3.12 It<space>limits<space>your<space>freedom<space>to<space>walk<space>away<space>from<space>the<space>contract.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1340.40 2.64 That's<space>what<space>law<space>and<space>statutes<space>do.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1343.36 6.64 But<space>one<space>of<space>the<space>geniuses<space>of<space>the<space>framers<space>of<space>the<space>constitution<space>is<space>that<space>the<space>constitution<space>is<space>different.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1350.24 8.24 And<space>what<space>was<space>revolutionary<space>in<space>that<space>time<space>is<space>that<space>it<space>gave<space>freedom<space>to<space>individuals<space>as<space>against<space>their<space>government.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1359.20 7.60 You<space>know,<space>there<space>was<space>an<space>idea<space>that<space>that<space>goes<space>deep<space>into<space>British<space>history,<space>but<space>it<space>came<space>to<space>full<space>fruition<space>in<space>the<space>constitution.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1366.80 11.76 We<space>talk<space>about<space>what's<space>amazingly<space>new<space>about<space>that<space>document,<space>about<space>why<space>other<space>countries<space>look<space>to<space>it<space>for<space>guidance,<space>is<space>because<space>it<space>does<space>something<space>beyond<space>restrict<space>freedom<space>like<space>laws<space>do.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1378.64 3.92 It's<space>not<space>a<space>law,<space>in<space>a<space>way,<space>it's<space>the<space>opposite<space>of<space>a<space>law.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1382.80 3.52 It's<space>what<space>stops<space>the<space>government<space>from<space>restricting<space>our<space>freedoms.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1386.48 1.60 And<space>it<space>does<space>it<space>in<space>a<space>few<space>ways.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1388.32 4.88 Alexander<space>Hamilton<space>wrote<space>very<space>eloquently<space>about<space>this<space>in<space>the<space>Federalist<space>papers.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1393.36 4.88 And<space>one<space>of<space>the<space>things<space>that<space>he<space>expresses<space>over<space>and<space>over<space>is<space>that<space>you<space>have<space>to<space>have<space>divided<space>government.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1398.48 22.56 But<space>beyond<space>that,<space>Jefferson<space>in<space>particularly,<space>Madison,<space>in<space>writing<space>the<space>bill<space>of<space>rights,<space>the<space>first<space>amendments<space>to<space>the<space>constitution<space>expressly<space>gave<space>individual<space>rights<space>to<space>people,<space>protected<space>them<space>from<space>their<space>government<space>because<space>they<space>didn't<space>trust<space>government<space>to<space>intrude<space>on<space>the<space>most<space>personal<space>aspects<space>of<space>a<space>person's<space>life.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1422.00 2.96 It<space>was<space>something<space>new<space>and<space>different<space>and<space>wonderful.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1425.36 25.44 And<space>since<space>that<space>time,<space>with<space>one<space>exception<space>in<space>the<space>federal<space>law,<space>as<space>we've<space>amended<space>the<space>constitution,<space>we've<space>been<space>very<space>careful<space>not<space>to<space>use<space>the<space>constitution<space>to<space>restrict<space>freedoms<space>because<space>that's<space>the<space>opposite<space>of<space>its<space>true<space>purpose,<space>which<space>is<space>to<space>protect<space>individual<space>freedoms<space>versus<space>a<space>government<space>whose<space>instinct<space>is<space>to<space>limit<space>them<space>and<space>to<space>take<space>from<space>us,<space>our<space>money<space>and<space>our<space>freedom.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1451.92 2.48 That<space>one<space>exception<space>of<space>course,<space>was<space>prohibition.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1454.56 1.60 That<space>didn't<space>turn<space>out<space>very<space>well.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1456.24 6.96 Now,<space>in<space>the<space>case<space>of<space>Minnesota,<space>Minnesota's<space>constitution,<space>in<space>many<space>ways,<space>replicates<space>the<space>federal<space>constitution.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1463.20 5.68 In<space>fact,<space>it<space>includes<space>most<space>of<space>the<space>bill<space>of<space>rights<space>in<space>its<space>text.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1469.28 3.92 It<space>does<space>the<space>same<space>thing<space>as<space>the<space>federal<space>constitution,<space>and<space>that<space>was<space>intentional.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1473.44 1.92 It<space>protects<space>individual<space>freedoms.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1475.36 1.44 It<space>doesn't<space>take<space>them<space>away.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1477.76 6.08 In<space>the<space>amendments,<space>and<space>you<space>know,<space>there's<space>a<space>website<space>you<space>can<space>go<space>to<space>and<space>pull<space>up<space>all<space>the<space>amendments<space>to<space>the<space>Minnesota<space>constitution.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1483.84 8.08 And<space>I<space>did<space>this<space>and<space>I<space>read<space>them<space>all<space>and<space>there's<space>a<space>lot<space>of<space>them,<space>but<space>what's<space>fascinating<space>about<space>them<space>is<space>they<space>do<space>three<space>things.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1492.32 5.04 One<space>of<space>them,<space>one<space>of<space>those<space>things<space>is<space>that<space>it<space>affects<space>the<space>structure<space>of<space>government.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1497.44 4.80 You<space>know,<space>that<space>this<space>department's<space>going<space>to<space>report<space>to<space>this<space>person,<space>things<space>like<space>that.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1502.72 9.36 The<space>second<space>thing<space>that<space>it<space>does<space>is<space>talk<space>about<space>budgetary<space>issues<space>about<space>the<space>way<space>that<space>money<space>can<space>be<space>raised<space>or<space>spent,<space>how<space>bonds<space>can<space>be<space>passed,<space>how<space>municipalities<space>can<space>raise<space>money.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1512.24 6.40 And<space>the<space>third<space>thing,<space>and<space>there's<space>much<space>fewer<space>of<space>these,<space>but<space>there<space>are<space>some,<space>it<space>enlarges<space>individual<space>liberties.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1518.64 5.52 It<space>doesn't<space>restrict<space>them,<space>for<space>example,<space>giving<space>women<space>the<space>right<space>to<space>vote<space>and<space>amend<space>the<space>constitution<space>to<space>do<space>that.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1524.48 1.84 And<space>so<space>we've<space>got<space>those<space>three<space>things.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1526.40 9.12 What<space>we<space>don't<space>have<space>in<space>the<space>Minnesota<space>constitution<space>up<space>to<space>this<space>point<space>is<space>a<space>constitutional<space>amendment<space>that<space>restricts<space>individual<space>liberties.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1535.76 11.36 Because<space>if<space>we<space>think<space>an<space>individual<space>liberty<space>should<space>be<space>restricted,<space>we<space>expressed<space>that<space>in<space>a<space>law<space>as<space>Minnesotans<space>already<space>have<space>done.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1547.60 16.56 And<space>I<space>think<space>that's<space>very<space>powerful<space>because<space>as<space>much<space>as<space>my<space>friend<space>Theresa<space>believes<space>very<space>strongly<space>and<space>sincerely,<space>not<space>out<space>of<space>bigotry,<space>but<space>out<space>of<space>religious<space>belief,<space>that<space>that<space>principle<space>of<space>marriage<space>being<space>between<space>one<space>man<space>and<space>one<space>woman<space>is<space>important.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1564.40 4.80 There's<space>a<space>countervailing<space>also<space>conservative<space>principle<space>at<space>play<space>here.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1569.20 4.40 And<space>that's<space>the<space>principle<space>of<space>what<space>a<space>constitution<space>is<space>supposed<space>to<space>do.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1573.76 4.72 And<space>I<space>think<space>that's<space>something<space>that's<space>very<space>important<space>as<space>we<space>go<space>forward.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1579.12 4.48 I<space>also<space>oppose<space>this<space>amendment<space>as<space>a<space>Christian.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1583.84 1.68 I'm<space>not<space>going<space>to<space>speak<space>on<space>that.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1585.52 5.28 I'm<space>going<space>to<space>defer<space>for<space>Reverend<space>Stevenson<space>on<space>that.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1590.88 2.40 But<space>I<space>will<space>say<space>that<space>I<space>know<space>how<space>controversial<space>that<space>is.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1593.36 7.28 I<space>wrote<space>a<space>piece<space>for<space>CNN<space>several<space>months<space>ago,<space>and<space>it<space>was<space>called<space>the<space>Christian<space>Case<space>for<space>gay<space>marriage.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1600.80 2.16 And<space>it<space>got<space>over<space>12,000<space>comments.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1602.96 9.44 And<space>I<space>got<space>a<space>lot<space>of<space>email<space>too,<space>several<space>people<space>thought<space>I<space>should<space>be<space>cast<space>into<space>a<space>lake<space>of<space>sulfur,<space>which<space>fortunately<space>it<space>hasn't<space>happened<space>yet.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1613.52 4.96 But<space>the<space>third<space>reason<space>that<space>I<space>am,<space>and<space>this<space>crosses<space>over<space>into<space>my<space>legal<space>views<space>as<space>well.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1618.64 3.84 Is<space>that<space>I'm,<space>pro-life,<space>I'm<space>not<space>ashamed<space>to<space>say<space>that.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1622.88 4.08 I<space>believe<space>in<space>a<space>constant<space>pro-life<space>ethic.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1627.28 8.08 I<space>am<space>against<space>the<space>death<space>penalty<space>as<space>just<space>was<space>mentioned<space>last<space>week,<space>in<space>fact,<space>I<space>was<space>in<space>California<space>talking<space>about<space>that<space>at<space>Fuller<space>seminary.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1636.32 2.08 I'm<space>also<space>against<space>abortion.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1638.56 1.92 I<space>don't<space>think<space>abortion<space>should<space>be<space>legal.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1640.56 1.44 And<space>I<space>write<space>and<space>speak<space>about<space>that.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1642.08 7.04 I<space>just<space>finished<space>a<space>piece<space>for<space>Stanford's<space>law<space>review<space>that<space>I'm<space>going<space>to<space>go<space>out<space>and<space>speak<space>on<space>regarding<space>abortion.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1649.44 19.76 But<space>one<space>of<space>the<space>reasons<space>that<space>I'm<space>pro-life,<space>and<space>this<space>is<space>linked<space>both<space>to<space>my<space>view<space>of<space>the<space>law<space>and<space>my<space>view<space>of<space>my<space>faith,<space>is<space>because<space>there<space>is<space>an<space>imperative<space>that<space>we<space>value<space>life,<space>that<space>we<space>value<space>the<space>life<space>that<space>God<space>has<space>created<space>within<space>and<space>amongst<space>us.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1669.60 3.76 And<space>yes,<space>to<space>me,<space>that<space>means<space>protecting<space>unborn<space>children.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1673.68 9.04 It<space>also<space>means<space>not<space>executing<space>people,<space>even<space>those<space>who<space>are<space>guilty,<space>but<space>it<space>means<space>something<space>beyond<space>that.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1682.80 16.08 It<space>means<space>also<space>that<space>people<space>who<space>are<space>here,<space>those<space>who<space>are<space>amongst<space>us,<space>everyone<space>has<space>the<space>right<space>to<space>be<space>who<space>they<space>were<space>created<space>to<space>be.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1699.52 12.88 I<space>don't<space>think<space>having<space>known<space>a<space>number<space>of<space>gay<space>men<space>and<space>lesbians<space>that<space>they<space>chose<space>that,<space>especially<space>in<space>Texas,<space>where<space>I<space>lived<space>for<space>10<space>years,<space>where<space>being<space>a<space>gay<space>man<space>or<space>a<space>lesbian<space>caused<space>you<space>to<space>be<space>cast<space>out<space>of<space>every<space>circle<space>that<space>you<space>were<space>a<space>part<space>of.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1712.56 1.76 Who<space>would<space>choose<space>that?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1715.28 3.04 And<space>when<space>I<space>was<space>in<space>Texas,<space>I<space>worked<space>at<space>Baylor<space>university.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1718.40 6.56 Baylor<space>university<space>has<space>a<space>policy<space>that<space>they<space>do<space>not<space>hire<space>gay<space>men<space>or<space>lesbians<space>as<space>faculty<space>or<space>staff.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1725.12 2.72 They<space>do<space>not<space>allow<space>them<space>to<space>enroll<space>as<space>students.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1728.00 12.72 And<space>in<space>fact,<space>when<space>I<space>started<space>teaching<space>there,<space>the<space>rule<space>was<space>that<space>it<space>wasn't<space>even<space>that<space>people<space>were<space>sexually<space>active,<space>just<space>the<space>status<space>of<space>same-sex<space>attraction<space>was<space>a<space>bar<space>to<space>admission.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1741.20 5.76 And<space>I<space>taught<space>there,<space>unfortunately,<space>without<space>thinking<space>through<space>the<space>implications<space>of<space>that.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1749.20 10.16 What<space>we<space>were<space>telling<space>people,<space>those<space>amongst<space>us<space>who<space>were<space>gay<space>and<space>some<space>of<space>them<space>were<space>my<space>students,<space>was<space>that<space>there<space>was<space>no<space>love<space>for<space>you<space>on<space>earth<space>or<space>in<space>heaven.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1759.68 6.56 And<space>I<space>feel<space>very<space>deeply<space>that<space>that's<space>not<space>something<space>that<space>we<space>have<space>the<space>right<space>to<space>say<space>to<space>others.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1766.40 7.28 And<space>then<space>I<space>think<space>that<space>if<space>there<space>is<space>love<space>for<space>those<space>people<space>on<space>earth<space>and<space>in<space>heaven,<space>it<space>should<space>be<space>within<space>the<space>covenant<space>of<space>marriage.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1774.64 10.96 The<space>last<space>thing<space>before<space>I<space>conclude,<space>we<space>lawyers<space>tend<space>to<space>be<space>very<space>much<space>on<space>time<space>because<space>if<space>we're<space>not<space>a<space>judge<space>yells<space>at<space>us,<space>is<space>as<space>a<space>father.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1786.00 5.36 I<space>started<space>out<space>talking<space>about<space>fathers<space>and<space>being<space>a<space>father.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1791.68 11.92 And<space>the<space>reason<space>it<space>matters<space>to<space>me<space>as<space>a<space>father<space>is<space>that<space>I<space>hear<space>the<space>arguments<space>from<space>the<space>other<space>side,<space>that<space>there's<space>a<space>threat<space>to<space>children<space>posed<space>by<space>gay<space>marriage.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1803.84 10.88 And<space>the<space>argument<space>I<space>suppose,<space>is<space>that<space>if<space>there<space>is<space>gay<space>marriage,<space>then<space>children<space>will<space>see<space>that<space>gay<space>men<space>and<space>lesbians<space>are<space>married<space>to<space>one<space>another.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1814.88 4.00 It<space>will<space>undermine<space>their<space>belief<space>in<space>heterosexual<space>marriage.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1818.96 2.88 And<space>they'll<space>be<space>less<space>likely<space>to<space>get<space>married<space>themselves.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1822.08 5.68 Which<space>to<space>me<space>seems<space>like<space>a<space>fairly<space>obtuse<space>set<space>of<space>connections.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1828.00 17.04 But<space>as<space>a<space>father,<space>there's<space>something<space>that<space>I<space>know<space>and<space>it's<space>this;<space>there<space>are<space>gay<space>men<space>and<space>lesbians<space>in<space>relationships<space>in<space>this<space>state,<space>in<space>this<space>community,<space>within<space>my<space>own<space>school<space>who<space>have<space>children<space>and<space>they're<space>not<space>hypothetical<space>children.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1845.28 2.32 They're<space>real<space>children<space>with<space>names.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1848.00 2.08 It's<space>Katie<space>and<space>Bobby.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1850.40 3.12 They're<space>kids<space>that<space>go<space>to<space>school<space>with<space>my<space>kids.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1853.76 3.04 And<space>they<space>have<space>two<space>parents<space>who<space>care<space>for<space>them.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1857.44 4.24 Maybe<space>two<space>women,<space>maybe<space>two<space>men.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1862.16 6.00 But<space>for<space>those<space>children,<space>I<space>believe<space>what<space>the<space>other<space>side<space>said<space>says<space>is<space>true.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1868.72 3.92 That<space>those<space>parents<space>in<space>marriage<space>are<space>better<space>parents.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1872.80 3.04 That<space>marriage<space>provides<space>a<space>stability<space>that's<space>good<space>for<space>children.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1876.00 17.68 And<space>if<space>I<space>care<space>about<space>those<space>children,<space>those<space>real<space>actual<space>children<space>with<space>names<space>and<space>birthday<space>parties<space>and<space>graduation<space>dates,<space>I<space>should<space>want<space>their<space>parents<space>to<space>be<space>married<space>and<space>have<space>the<space>ability<space>to<space>do<space>that<space>and<space>have<space>the<space>law<space>reflect<space>that<space>important<space>reality.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1893.84 9.76 Thank<space>you.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1903.60 2.00 We<space>are<space>going<space>to<space>take<space>questions<space>for<space>Professor<space>Ostler.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1905.60 1.92 Who<space>has<space>any<space>questions<space>for<space>Mr.<space>Ostler?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1912.32 4.64 I'm<space>Bob<space>Zik<space>and<space>I<space>do<space>public<space>television.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1917.04 3.44 And<space>I<space>was<space>hoping-<space>let<space>me<space>just<space>hold<space>this.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1921.28 12.00 I<space>was<space>hoping<space>that<space>you<space>would<space>actually<space>touch<space>on<space>the<space>law<space>concerning<space>this<space>issue<space>and<space>not<space>get<space>focused<space>on<space>the<space>emotional<space>feeling<space>of<space>the<space>issue.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1933.44 9.84 Now,<space>I<space>mean,<space>you<space>started<space>off<space>by<space>saying<space>that<space>it<space>shouldn't<space>be<space>in<space>the<space>constitution<space>because<space>it's<space>restricted.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1943.52 3.92 But<space>maybe<space>it<space>should<space>be<space>in<space>constitution<space>because<space>it's<space>protective.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1947.84 2.00 Those<space>are<space>some<space>bad<space>things.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1949.92 8.80 And<space>then<space>we<space>get<space>down<space>here,<space>to<space>"have<space>the<space>right<space>to<space>be<space>who<space>they<space>are".
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1958.96 2.32 Nobody<space>takes<space>that<space>right<space>away.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1961.36 5.12 Nobody<space>takes<space>the<space>right<space>from<space>a<space>gay<space>person<space>to<space>love<space>who<space>they<space>want<space>to<space>love.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1966.64 3.28 So,<space>I<space>don't<space>think<space>you<space>need<space>to<space>go<space>there.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1971.04 6.88 I'm<space>not<space>threatened<space>by<space>gay,<space>lesbian,<space>transgender,<space>not<space>at<space>all.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1978.40 8.32 As<space>a<space>Christian<space>we're<space>taught<space>to<space>love<space>everyone<space>because<space>we<space>all<space>share<space>the<space>same<space>father,<space>God.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1987.04 7.52 Now<space>let's-<space>I<space>want<space>to<space>touch<space>a<space>little<space>bit-<space>-<space>Is<space>there<space>a<space>question<space>coming<space>here<space>Bob?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1994.64 2.96 There<space>is<space>a<space>question,<space>I'm<space>gonna<space>ask<space>him<space>a<space>question.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 1998.00 6.16 Because<space>the<space>normal<space>argument<space>I<space>guess<space>is<space>the<space>14th<space>amendment.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2004.40 7.76 No<space>one<space>shall<space>deny<space>the<space>equal<space>protection<space>under<space>the<space>law,<space>The<space>law<space>applies<space>to<space>everybody<space>correct?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2012.48 7.28 So<space>let's<space>look<space>at<space>discrimination<space>from<space>a<space>legal<space>perspective<space>what<space>does<space>discrimination<space>mean?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2020.80 5.60 My<space>understanding<space>or<space>what<space>has<space>been<space>taught<space>to<space>me<space>it<space>means<space>to<space>make<space>a<space>distinction.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2026.80 4.64 That's<space>what<space>discrimination<space>in<space>the<space>law<space>means<space>to<space>make<space>a<space>distinction.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2031.84 20.64 Now,<space>when<space>you<space>look<space>at<space>the<space>law<space>concerning<space>this,<space>because<space>when<space>you<space>mentioned<space>that<space>this<space>issue<space>will<space>be<space>taken<space>or<space>is<space>in<space>the<space>courts,<space>there's<space>the<space>rational<space>basic<space>basis<space>test<space>rational<space>basis<space>for<space>the<space>distinction,<space>correct.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2052.96 2.56 Different<space>treatment<space>discrimination.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2055.84 5.28 The<space>discrimination<space>is<space>a<space>distinction.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2062.96 3.04 I'm<space>going<space>to<space>have<space>to<space>ask<space>you<space>to<space>quickly<space>get<space>to<space>your<space>question.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2066.08 8.32 Well<space>we'd<space>like<space>to<space>understand<space>the<space>law<space>and<space>I'm<space>asking<space>how<space>to<space>explain<space>this<space>law<space>so<space>I'm<space>gonna<space>make<space>two<space>more<space>points<space>here.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2074.48 3.60 Okay<space>so<space>if<space>you<space>could<space>get<space>to<space>you<space>question<space>quickly.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2078.32 4.72 The<space>next,<space>next<space>part<space>of<space>that<space>is<space>strict<space>scrutiny<space>test.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2083.36 11.84 If<space>the<space>law<space>impact<space>the<space>fundamental<space>right<space>or<space>a<space>suspect<space>classification<space>and<space>what<space>would<space>be,<space>is<space>there<space>a<space>compelling<space>state<space>interest.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2095.36 4.88 Now<space>suspect<space>classification-<space>-<space>Now<space>you're<space>giving<space>a<space>lecture<space>to<space>a<space>professor-<space>Just<space>give<space>us<space>another<space>second<space>here.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2100.48 25.68 You<space>are<space>not<space>asking<space>a<space>question,<space>you're<space>giving<space>a<space>lecture.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2126.16 6.88 If<space>we<space>could<space>get<space>to<space>a<space>question-<space>-<space>Aspect<space>classification,<space>race,<space>religion,<space>gender,<space>national<space>borders,<space>not<space>sexual<space>preference.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2133.36 1.28 And<space>your<space>question<space>is?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2134.88 8.80 The<space>question<space>is,<space>what<space>is<space>the<space>legal<space>basis<space>for<space>challenging<space>this<space>in<space>courts<space>under<space>the<space>14th<space>amendment?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2143.92 4.24 I<space>have<space>a<space>short<space>answer<space>to<space>that,<space>that<space>is<space>that<space>I<space>didn't<space>address<space>that<space>because<space>it's<space>not<space>an<space>issue<space>here.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2148.24 3.04 Of<space>course,<space>there's<space>not<space>a<space>challenge<space>to<space>the<space>Minnesota<space>amendment.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2151.36 1.28 It<space>hasn't<space>been<space>enacted.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2152.80 1.28 I'm<space>talking<space>to<space>voters.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2154.08 1.36 That's<space>how<space>it's<space>being<space>decided.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2155.44 1.60 That's<space>where<space>the<space>law<space>rests<space>right<space>now.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2157.12 4.32 Next<space>question.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2161.92 1.28 Yes,<space>sir.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2164.16 5.20 You<space>broached<space>the<space>issue<space>of-<space>right<space>now.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2169.76 4.88 We<space>have<space>gay<space>people<space>raising<space>children<space>that<space>raises<space>the<space>issue<space>of<space>adoption.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2174.72 19.04 Is<space>it<space>not<space>the<space>case<space>that<space>it<space>is<space>legal<space>for<space>gay<space>people<space>to<space>adopt<space>in<space>the<space>city,<space>and<space>if<space>that<space>is<space>so,<space>do<space>you<space>have<space>an<space>opinion<space>as<space>to<space>why<space>the<space>legislature<space>simply<space>didn't<space>ban<space>adoption<space>by<space>gay<space>people?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2194.08 5.36 If<space>the,<space>one<space>of<space>the<space>major<space>objects<space>of<space>this<space>amendment<space>is<space>to<space>protect<space>children?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2200.08 2.96 Yeah,<space>I<space>can't,<space>I'm<space>not<space>a<space>family<space>law<space>expert.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2203.44 8.16 The<space>constitution<space>is<space>one<space>of<space>my<space>fields,<space>but,<space>but<space>to<space>answer<space>that<space>question<space>and<space>I<space>always<space>try<space>to<space>be<space>generous<space>to<space>the<space>people<space>who<space>made<space>the<space>decision<space>if<space>I<space>wasn't<space>there.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2211.68 19.60 If<space>I<space>just<space>remembered<space>that<space>legislature,<space>one<space>reason<space>I<space>might<space>make<space>that<space>distinction<space>from<space>area<space>principle<space>is<space>that<space>with<space>adoption,<space>you<space>have<space>people<space>who<space>are<space>the<space>natural<space>parents<space>of<space>the<space>child,<space>where<space>it<space>then<space>is<space>going<space>to-<space>they're<space>in<space>a<space>new<space>relationship<space>and<space>the<space>original<space>mother<space>or<space>father<space>is<space>now<space>out<space>of<space>the<space>picture.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2231.36 1.68 Now<space>there's<space>a<space>same-sex<space>partner.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2233.04 3.60 They<space>let<space>that<space>partner<space>adopt<space>the<space>child<space>so<space>that<space>there<space>will<space>be<space>two<space>parents.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2236.64 4.48 And<space>I<space>think<space>that<space>was<space>seen<space>as<space>something<space>where<space>that<space>relationship<space>was<space>going<space>to<space>be<space>there<space>anyways.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2241.12 4.72 And<space>they<space>couldn't<space>intercede<space>or<space>affirm<space>it<space>or<space>deny<space>it<space>in<space>any<space>way.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2246.72 13.28 And,<space>you<space>know,<space>from<space>a<space>point<space>of<space>compassion,<space>the<space>other<space>thing<space>is<space>that<space>I<space>think<space>that<space>social<space>workers<space>who<space>play<space>a<space>key<space>role<space>in<space>adoption,<space>part<space>of<space>their<space>code<space>is<space>that<space>they<space>don't<space>discriminate<space>on<space>the<space>basis<space>of<space>sexual<space>orientation.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2260.64 22.40 That<space>because<space>so<space>much<space>of<space>adoption<space>goes<space>through<space>social<space>workers<space>and<space>has<space>social<space>worker<space>involvement<space>that<space>if<space>you<space>mandated<space>that<space>kind<space>of<space>description<space>of<space>who<space>could<space>adopt<space>and<space>who<space>couldn't,<space>you<space>would<space>lose<space>their<space>cooperation<space>in<space>that<space>important<space>process.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2283.92 14.24 One<space>of<space>the<space>arguments<space>I<space>hear<space>is<space>that<space>clergy<space>people<space>do<space>not<space>want<space>to<space>be<space>put<space>in<space>the<space>boxes<space>of<space>they<space>must<space>marry<space>gay<space>or<space>lesbian<space>couples,<space>and<space>could<space>you<space>explain<space>if<space>that's<space>a<space>legitimate<space>way<space>to<space>go<space>about<space>this<space>or<space>not?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2298.32 8.24 My<space>interpretation<space>of<space>it<space>simply<space>is<space>that<space>it<space>could<space>become<space>something<space>that<space>could<space>be<space>used<space>as<space>a<space>weapon<space>if<space>you<space>go<space>about<space>it<space>like<space>that,<space>so<space>could<space>you<space>explain<space>that?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2307.36 0.32 Yeah.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2307.84 3.92 That's<space>a<space>question<space>that<space>first<space>of<space>all,<space>it's<space>pretty<space>far<space>away<space>from<space>what<space>we're<space>talking<space>about<space>with<space>the<space>amendment.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2311.76 4.96 I<space>mean,<space>with<space>the<space>amendment<space>it's<space>if<space>what's<space>already<space>in<space>the<space>law<space>is<space>going<space>to<space>be<space>put<space>into<space>the<space>constitution.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2316.80 5.76 That<space>said,<space>let's<space>say<space>we<space>were<space>talking<space>about<space>one<space>of<space>those<space>other<space>states<space>where<space>what<space>they're<space>voting<space>on<space>is<space>to<space>allow<space>gay<space>marriage<space>directly.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2322.72 3.36 In<space>those<space>states,<space>of<space>course<space>you<space>have<space>clergy<space>saying<space>the<space>same<space>thing.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2327.20 4.80 Clergy<space>always<space>have<space>had<space>the<space>freedom<space>to<space>not<space>marry<space>people<space>that<space>they<space>don't<space>approve<space>of.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2332.24 9.92 If<space>I<space>was<space>to<space>go<space>to<space>the<space>Catholic<space>church<space>and<space>say,<space>I<space>want<space>you<space>to<space>marry<space>me<space>to<space>someone,<space>they<space>would<space>say<space>you're<space>not<space>Catholic<space>and<space>not<space>let<space>me<space>be<space>married<space>there.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2342.16 2.40 And<space>that's<space>something<space>that's<space>respected<space>by<space>the<space>state.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2344.64 15.76 And<space>so<space>I<space>think<space>that<space>that<space>is<space>something<space>that<space>would<space>be<space>such<space>a<space>radical<space>departure<space>from<space>our<space>current<space>relationship<space>between<space>the<space>state<space>power<space>and<space>religion,<space>that<space>it's<space>pretty<space>unimaginable.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2361.52 1.28 Did<space>you<space>have<space>a<space>follow<space>up<space>on<space>that?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2363.28 4.32 The<space>reason<space>I<space>bring<space>it<space>up<space>is<space>because<space>it's<space>one<space>of<space>the<space>reasons<space>people<space>are<space>handing<space>out<space>to<space>people.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2367.68 8.72 And<space>so<space>the<space>distinction<space>really<space>is<space>that<space>marriage<space>is<space>a<space>civil<space>process<space>and<space>isn't<space>it?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2376.48 11.44 The<space>story<space>with<space>the<space>churches,<space>if<space>you<space>will,<space>right<space>or<space>option<space>to<space>marry<space>people<space>and-<space>two<space>separate<space>services,<space>you<space>have<space>the<space>civil<space>ceremony<space>and<space>the<space>religious<space>ceremony.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2387.92 14.72 There<space>are<space>always<space>these<space>options<space>that's<space>why<space>we<space>got<space>so<space>far<space>from<space>what<space>this<space>is<space>really<space>about.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2403.20 4.40 Well,<space>I'm<space>fortunate<space>to<space>have<space>Reverend<space>Stevenson<space>here<space>because<space>he<space>actually<space>has<space>married<space>people.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2408.08 4.40 And<space>so<space>I'll<space>defer<space>to<space>him<space>and<space>he'll<space>probably<space>address<space>it<space>in<space>his<space>part.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2416.40 5.28 I'm<space>Tim<space>Finley,<space>I<space>also<space>would<space>like<space>some<space>more<space>on<space>the<space>constitutional<space>issues.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2422.08 13.12 One<space>comment<space>you<space>made<space>was,<space>we<space>don't<space>have<space>in<space>our<space>constitution<space>which<space>restricts<space>liberties<space>in<space>Minnesota<space>Constitution,<space>which<space>is<space>different<space>than<space>the<space>federal<space>constitution.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2435.92 3.12 17<space>year<space>old's<space>can't<space>vote.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2439.92 6.32 Even<space>in<space>the<space>federal<space>constitution<space>you<space>have<space>to<space>be<space>a<space>certain<space>age,<space>21,<space>35<space>to<space>be<space>able<space>to<space>do<space>things.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2446.40 4.16 Judge,<space>to<space>judge,<space>you<space>have<space>to<space>be<space>learned<space>within<space>the<space>law.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2451.44 2.88 There's<space>all<space>kinds<space>of<space>restrictions<space>that<space>are<space>in<space>our<space>constitution.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2458.24 1.28 What<space>is<space>the<space>constitution<space>about?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2459.52 10.56 Because<space>why<space>is<space>the<space>is<space>the<space>relationship<space>between<space>things,<space>and<space>people<space>and<space>the<space>way<space>our<space>corporate<space>government<space>is<space>designed<space>is<space>that<space>people<space>are<space>the<space>final<space>authority.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2470.24 4.48 The<space>people<space>determine<space>the<space>relationship,<space>with<space>government<space>that<space>has<space>to<space>follow<space>it.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2475.36 10.80 Just<space>briefly<space>on<space>that,<space>the<space>restrictions<space>that<space>you're<space>talking<space>about,<space>a<space>restriction<space>to<space>the<space>relationship<space>in<space>the<space>government,<space>and<space>that's<space>different<space>than<space>what<space>we're<space>talking<space>about<space>here,<space>which<space>is<space>the<space>relationship<space>between<space>people.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2486.32 2.72 And<space>so<space>I<space>think<space>that's<space>an<space>important<space>distinction.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2489.36 2.08 Okay,<space>last<space>question.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2492.24 1.76 Hi.<space>I'm<space>Kenny<space>Noel.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2494.08 2.16 I<space>have<space>two<space>moms.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2496.40 18.72 and<space>the<space>fact<space>that<space>they<space>know<space>when<space>they<space>married,<space>they<space>talk<space>about<space>the<space>bills<space>and,<space>and<space>how<space>they<space>express<space>the<space>matter<space>of<space>how<space>they<space>want<space>everything<space>because<space>it's<space>separate.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2515.52 9.20 Well,<space>if,<space>I,<space>let<space>me<space>just<space>make<space>sure<space>I<space>understand<space>the<space>question<space>correctly,<space>and<space>that<space>is<space>that<space>you've<space>got<space>two<space>moms<space>and<space>right<space>now<space>they<space>have<space>to<space>deal<space>with<space>everything<space>separately<space>as<space>your<space>parents.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2524.80 2.40 Instead<space>of<space>being<space>a<space>unit<space>as<space>a<space>whole?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2527.52 5.92 And<space>that's<space>part<space>of-<space>you're<space>exactly<space>the<space>person<space>I<space>was<space>talking<space>about.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2533.92 3.84 You<space>know<space>that<space>there<space>are<space>things<space>that<space>go<space>with<space>marriage.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2537.84 2.80 I<space>was<space>talking<space>about<space>the<space>stability,<space>but<space>there's<space>also<space>that.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2541.28 2.32 There's<space>the<space>recognition<space>of<space>the<space>family<space>unit.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2543.68 6.08 And<space>you<space>know<space>what,<space>whether<space>your<space>mothers<space>are<space>married<space>to<space>one<space>another<space>or<space>not,<space>you're<space>a<space>family.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2550.40 3.52 And,<space>and<space>the<space>society<space>generally<space>accepts<space>that.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2554.16 10.24 If<space>marriage<space>is<space>a<space>good<space>thing<space>for<space>a<space>family<space>to<space>have<space>as<space>a<space>part<space>of<space>it,<space>then<space>this<space>is<space>a<space>pro-marriage<space>thing<space>to<space>allow<space>your<space>mothers<space>to<space>get<space>married<space>to<space>one<space>another.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2565.60 1.76 Okay<space>thanks<space>for<space>your<space>question.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2567.60 9.04 We'll<space>move<space>on<space>to<space>our<space>next<space>speaker,<space>Dr.<space>Laura<space>Boysen.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2577.44 1.92 Good<space>evening.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2579.84 6.48 I<space>actually<space>worked,<space>not<space>only<space>at<space>Augsburg<space>college,<space>but<space>I'm<space>also<space>doing<space>some<space>adjunct<space>work<space>at<space>the<space>University<space>of<space>Minnesota.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2586.40 10.16 And<space>again,<space>these<space>are<space>not<space>any<space>reflection<space>on,<space>I'm<space>not<space>speaking<space>for<space>either<space>of<space>the<space>university<space>or<space>the<space>college.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2596.72 4.32 I<space>actually<space>was<space>going<space>to<space>start<space>tonight<space>by<space>saying<space>how<space>glad<space>I<space>was<space>to<space>be<space>here.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2601.12 9.12 Because<space>in<space>fact,<space>the<space>project<space>at<space>my<space>house<space>tonight<space>is<space>doing<space>some<space>foundation<space>work<space>on<space>my<space>house,<space>doing<space>some<space>masonry.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2610.40 2.96 And<space>of<space>course<space>that's<space>not<space>an<space>area<space>of<space>my<space>expertise.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2613.36 2.80 And<space>I<space>was<space>thinking,<space>man,<space>this<space>has<space>gotten<space>me<space>out<space>of<space>something.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2616.48 0.48 Good.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2617.60 5.60 I<space>do<space>think<space>that<space>DIY<space>network<space>gives<space>you<space>a<space>little<space>false<space>sense<space>of<space>security<space>nowadays.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2624.56 4.40 But<space>now<space>I<space>-<space>What<space>I'm<space>hoping<space>is<space>that<space>I<space>can<space>talk<space>a<space>little<space>bit<space>about<space>the<space>family.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2629.04 8.48 This<space>is<space>a-<space>for<space>the<space>past<space>two<space>or<space>three<space>decades,<space>I've<space>been<space>working<space>with<space>infants<space>and<space>families<space>and<space>children.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2637.60 6.24 And<space>what<space>I'm<space>hoping<space>to<space>do<space>is<space>kind<space>of<space>talk<space>about<space>what<space>we<space>know<space>about<space>what's<space>good<space>for<space>children.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2643.92 1.44 What's<space>good<space>for<space>infants.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2645.44 2.48 What's<space>good<space>for<space>families.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2648.32 8.08 And<space>actually<space>wanted<space>to<space>talk<space>a<space>little<space>bit<space>about<space>how<space>families<space>have<space>changed<space>because<space>they<space>have<space>changed<space>significantly,<space>during<space>my<space>lifetime.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2657.12 7.36 We<space>know<space>that<space>families<space>now<space>look<space>a<space>lot<space>different<space>than<space>the<space>mid<space>1950s,<space>the<space>mid<space>1960s.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2664.48 16.56 Many<space>of<space>us<space>in<space>this<space>crowd<space>probably<space>grew<space>up<space>watching<space>the<space>Cleaver<space>Family,<space>maybe<space>the<space>Brady<space>Bunch<space>and<space>families,<space>really<space>the<space>majority<space>of<space>families<space>in<space>the<space>U.S<space>now<space>most<space>families<space>for<space>parents<space>who<space>have<space>children.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2681.28 3.52 Most<space>of<space>those<space>families<space>have<space>children<space>that<space>are<space>over<space>18<space>years<space>of<space>age.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2684.88 5.44 Most<space>of<space>them,<space>most<space>families,<space>the<space>majority<space>of<space>families<space>now<space>don't<space>have<space>young<space>children.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2690.40 4.96 So<space>people<space>are<space>marrying,<space>we<space>know<space>at<space>an<space>older<space>age.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2695.60 7.84 We<space>know<space>that<space>the<space>highest<space>number<space>of<space>births<space>to<space>women<space>are<space>to<space>women<space>who<space>are<space>now<space>over<space>age<space>30.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2704.00 12.56 We<space>know<space>that<space>from<space>1970<space>to<space>2000,<space>children<space>in<space>two<space>parent<space>families<space>actually<space>decreased<space>from<space>85%<space>to<space>below<space>70%.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2717.04 6.24 And<space>currently<space>over<space>13<space>million,<space>there<space>are<space>over<space>13<space>million<space>single<space>parents.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2723.76 5.04 And<space>most<space>of<space>the<space>single<space>parents<space>that<space>have<space>children<space>are<space>women.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2728.96 4.72 And<space>although<space>most<space>of<space>these<space>women<space>work,<space>a<space>third<space>of<space>them<space>are<space>living<space>in<space>poverty.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2733.76 13.68 And<space>we<space>know<space>that<space>the<space>biggest,<space>the<space>largest<space>variable<space>for<space>poor<space>outcomes<space>for<space>children<space>is<space>if<space>you<space>live<space>in<space>a<space>family<space>or<space>a<space>home<space>where<space>you're<space>low<space>income.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2747.76 11.92 And<space>in<space>fact,<space>we<space>know<space>the<space>divorce<space>rate<space>is<space>as<space>high<space>as<space>nearly<space>60%<space>of<space>new<space>marriages,<space>now<space>end<space>in<space>divorce.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2760.16 6.88 We<space>know<space>that<space>approximately<space>10%<space>of<space>children<space>are<space>now<space>living<space>in<space>homes<space>with<space>their<space>grandparents.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2767.20 9.76 And<space>if<space>those<space>children<space>living<space>in<space>their<space>grandparents<space>home,<space>are<space>without<space>a<space>parent<space>in<space>that<space>home,<space>they're<space>more<space>likely<space>to<space>be<space>poor.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2778.08 3.12 This<space>is<space>what<space>perhaps<space>is<space>one<space>of<space>the<space>most<space>amazing<space>statistic.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2781.28 12.96 When<space>you<space>think<space>about<space>the<space>impact<space>of<space>poverty<space>on<space>poor<space>outcomes<space>for<space>children,<space>is<space>that<space>50%<space>of<space>all<space>children<space>in<space>the<space>U.S<space>will<space>at<space>some<space>point<space>while<space>they're<space>a<space>child,<space>be<space>on<space>food<space>stamps.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2794.48 9.68 And<space>if<space>you're<space>a<space>black<space>child<space>in<space>this<space>country,<space>90%<space>of<space>black<space>children<space>are<space>at<space>some<space>point<space>going<space>to<space>be<space>on<space>food<space>stamps.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2804.56 5.76 So<space>many<space>times<space>as<space>I<space>tell<space>my<space>students,<space>the<space>fastest<space>way<space>into<space>poverty<space>for<space>a<space>woman<space>is<space>divorce.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2810.56 4.00 The<space>fastest<space>way<space>out<space>of<space>poverty<space>is<space>marriage.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2815.04 8.88 And<space>finally,<space>one<space>other<space>statistic<space>in<space>terms<space>of<space>families<space>and<space>marriage<space>is<space>the<space>drop<space>in<space>the<space>marriage<space>rate<space>in<space>this<space>country.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2824.64 11.20 The<space>Annie<space>E.<space>Casey<space>foundation<space>is<space>reporting<space>that<space>over<space>the<space>past<space>30<space>years,<space>there's<space>been<space>a<space>40%<space>drop<space>in<space>the<space>number<space>of<space>U.S<space>citizens<space>who<space>are<space>getting<space>married.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2835.92 4.72 And<space>that<space>delay<space>is<space>based<space>on<space>seems<space>to<space>be<space>due<space>to<space>the<space>economy.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2841.60 5.20 We<space>are<space>increasingly<space>seeing<space>folks<space>cohabitate<space>that<space>are<space>unmarried.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2847.60 6.64 And<space>so<space>from<space>these<space>stats,<space>we<space>know<space>that<space>families<space>are<space>really<space>looking<space>very<space>different<space>than<space>what<space>they<space>used<space>to<space>look<space>like.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2854.72 4.56 We<space>also<space>know<space>that<space>children<space>are<space>growing<space>up<space>in<space>gay<space>and<space>lesbian<space>families.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2859.52 11.20 When<space>we-<space>the<space>2010<space>data,<space>the<space>census<space>data<space>tell<space>us<space>that<space>there<space>are<space>at<space>least<space>900,000<space>same-sex<space>couple<space>households.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2870.96 4.88 And<space>this<space>is<space>an<space>increase<space>in<space>52%,<space>from<space>2000<space>to<space>2010.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2875.84 9.52 And<space>it's<space>estimated<space>that<space>22%<space>of<space>partnered<space>lesbians<space>and<space>5%<space>of<space>gay<space>men<space>have<space>children<space>in<space>their<space>households.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2885.92 20.56 So<space>we<space>know<space>that<space>that<space>even<space>though<space>folks<space>can't<space>marry,<space>that,<space>in<space>fact,<space>at<space>least<space>in<space>Minnesota,<space>that<space>in<space>fact,<space>what<space>we're<space>seeing<space>is<space>we're<space>seeing<space>kids<space>live<space>in<space>families<space>with<space>two<space>moms<space>and<space>or<space>two<space>dads.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2907.44 19.84 One<space>of<space>the<space>things<space>I<space>would<space>like<space>to<space>say,<space>when<space>you<space>think<space>about<space>poverty<space>and<space>poor<space>outcomes<space>for<space>children,<space>we<space>know<space>that<space>gay<space>men,<space>out<space>gay<space>men<space>earn<space>more<space>money<space>than<space>heterosexual<space>couples.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2927.92 13.60 We<space>know<space>that<space>in<space>fact,<space>women<space>earn-<space>Lesbian<space>women,<space>they<space>earn<space>more<space>money<space>than<space>heterosexual<space>women.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2941.76 6.80 And<space>so<space>one<space>of<space>the<space>things,<space>if<space>you're<space>thinking<space>about<space>what's<space>good<space>for<space>kids,<space>we<space>know<space>that<space>poverty<space>is<space>not<space>good<space>for<space>kids.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2948.56 9.04 And<space>in<space>fact,<space>because<space>lesbian<space>and<space>gay<space>couples<space>are<space>more<space>highly<space>educated,<space>they<space>are<space>more<space>likely<space>to<space>have<space>advanced<space>degrees,<space>college<space>degrees.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2957.84 5.68 In<space>fact,<space>they<space>tend<space>to<space>have<space>higher<space>median<space>incomes.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2964.48 9.52 There<space>has<space>been<space>a<space>lot<space>of<space>research<space>and<space>here,<space>I<space>want<space>to<space>point<space>out<space>some<space>things<space>about<space>Google,<space>because<space>one<space>of<space>the<space>things<space>that<space>people-<space>in<space>fact,<space>I<space>did<space>this<space>today.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2974.56 6.16 I<space>Googled<space>children<space>raised<space>by<space>gay<space>and<space>lesbian<space>couples.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2980.80 4.08 And<space>if<space>you<space>do<space>that,<space>what<space>you're<space>going<space>to<space>do<space>is<space>you're<space>going<space>to<space>see<space>a<space>whole<space>page.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2985.12 5.52 The<space>first<space>page<space>is<space>going<space>to<space>be<space>a<space>gentleman<space>by<space>the<space>name<space>of<space>Reganour.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2990.80 3.12 And<space>he<space>is<space>at<space>the<space>university<space>of<space>Texas<space>at<space>Austin.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 2994.00 10.08 And<space>he's<space>recently<space>published<space>some<space>research<space>that<space>gives<space>lots<space>of<space>poor<space>outcomes<space>for<space>kids<space>that<space>are<space>in<space>gay<space>and<space>lesbian<space>households.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3004.48 5.04 The<space>reason<space>I<space>say<space>that<space>is<space>because<space>I<space>caution<space>you<space>to<space>not<space>always<space>go<space>to<space>the<space>front<space>page.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3009.52 10.96 What<space>you<space>might<space>want<space>to<space>do<space>is<space>Google,<space>and<space>then<space>go<space>to<space>the<space>academic<space>site<space>or<space>the<space>scholar<space>site,<space>because<space>that<space>will<space>give<space>you<space>a<space>more<space>balanced<space>view<space>in<space>terms<space>of<space>the<space>literature.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3020.48 7.04 And<space>let<space>me<space>just<space>talk<space>about<space>kids<space>that<space>are<space>raised<space>in<space>gay<space>and<space>lesbian<space>homes.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3028.24 4.48 The<space>bulk<space>of<space>the<space>literature<space>says<space>that<space>those<space>kids<space>are<space>more<space>empathic.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3032.88 12.80 And<space>in<space>fact,<space>the<space>census<space>that<space>they're<space>more<space>empathic<space>because<space>they<space>face<space>more<space>scrutiny<space>and<space>they<space>may<space>face<space>more<space>bias,<space>with<space>the<space>things<space>that<space>are<space>said<space>against-<space>about<space>them<space>and<space>about<space>their<space>families.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3046.16 9.92 These<space>kids<space>that<space>are<space>raised<space>in<space>gay<space>and<space>lesbian<space>homes,<space>they<space>are<space>no<space>likely-<space>they<space>are<space>no<space>more<space>likely<space>to<space>be<space>gay,<space>than<space>kids<space>raised<space>in<space>heterosexual<space>homes.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3056.56 6.96 They<space>seem<space>to<space>have<space>the<space>same<space>level<space>of<space>self-confidence<space>and<space>ego<space>strength.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3064.00 8.80 Unfortunately,<space>they<space>do<space>sometimes<space>suffer<space>because<space>of<space>the<space>bias<space>that<space>they<space>may<space>face<space>because<space>of<space>their<space>parents.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3073.20 16.96 And<space>one<space>of<space>the<space>other<space>things,<space>in<space>the<space>comparison<space>is<space>that<space>you'll<space>notice<space>lesbians-<space>Lesbian<space>couples<space>are<space>more<space>often<space>than<space>single<space>heterosexual<space>females,<space>single<space>heterosexual<space>mothers,<space>to<space>include<space>men<space>in<space>their<space>children's<space>lives.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3090.32 12.00 They<space>have<space>an<space>appreciation<space>that<space>they<space>need<space>to<space>have-<space>They<space>need-<space>As<space>you<space>were<space>talking<space>about<space>how<space>men<space>are<space>throwing<space>up<space>their<space>children,<space>women<space>are<space>more<space>cuddly.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3102.40 5.92 They<space>seem<space>to<space>understand<space>that<space>in<space>fact,<space>they<space>need<space>to<space>have<space>the<space>different<space>sorts<space>of<space>interactions<space>with<space>their<space>kids.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3108.80 7.20 The<space>other<space>thing,<space>when<space>you<space>look<space>at<space>the<space>literature<space>is<space>that<space>when<space>you<space>think<space>about<space>are<space>gay<space>and<space>lesbian<space>couples<space>happy?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3116.24 1.92 As<space>happy<space>as<space>heterosexuals?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3118.24 6.32 In<space>general<space>gay<space>couples<space>report<space>as<space>much<space>satisfaction<space>as<space>heterosexual<space>couples.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3124.56 8.00 And<space>when<space>you<space>look<space>at<space>lesbian<space>couples,<space>they<space>actually<space>report<space>more<space>satisfaction<space>in<space>their<space>relationships<space>than<space>heterosexual<space>couples.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3132.88 10.56 Finally,<space>I<space>have<space>done<space>some-<space>One<space>of<space>the<space>things<space>that<space>a<space>colleague<space>and<space>I<space>were<space>interested<space>in<space>is<space>why<space>are<space>gay<space>and<space>lesbian<space>people<space>getting<space>married?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3144.56 20.16 In<space>particular,<space>we<space>were<space>interested<space>in,<space>we<space>researched<space>older<space>lesbians<space>because<space>the<space>literature<space>is<space>pretty<space>replete<space>in<space>the,<space>back<space>to<space>that<space>older<space>lesbians<space>are<space>sometimes<space>pretty<space>protective<space>about<space>their<space>social<space>identity<space>category,<space>because<space>they<space>don't<space>want<space>to<space>face<space>bias.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3164.80 3.60 And<space>so<space>they<space>may<space>be<space>more<space>likely<space>to<space>be<space>closeted.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3168.56 11.36 And<space>so<space>one<space>of<space>the<space>questions<space>we<space>had<space>was,<space>why<space>would<space>they<space>go<space>to<space>a<space>county<space>clerk's<space>office<space>and<space>kind<space>of<space>face,<space>what<space>we<space>call<space>in<space>social<space>work,<space>we<space>call<space>it<space>microaggressions.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3180.32 4.00 Why<space>would<space>they<space>want<space>to<space>have<space>bias<space>come<space>their<space>way?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3184.64 15.60 And<space>so<space>what<space>we<space>did<space>was<space>we,<space>we<space>interviewed<space>some<space>folks<space>in<space>California,<space>some<space>women<space>in<space>California,<space>Washington<space>state,<space>Iowa,<space>and<space>what<space>we<space>found<space>was<space>similar<space>themes<space>that<space>you'll<space>find<space>in<space>the<space>research.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3200.56 12.56 And<space>I<space>also<space>want<space>to<space>tell<space>one<space>little<space>story<space>before<space>I<space>get<space>to<space>the<space>themes,<space>there<space>were<space>several<space>couples<space>we<space>interviewed<space>that<space>had<space>gotten<space>married<space>in<space>San<space>Francisco.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3213.44 3.68 At<space>the<space>time<space>when<space>the<space>mayor<space>opened<space>up<space>marriage.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3217.60 8.00 And<space>I<space>don't<space>know<space>if<space>any<space>of<space>you<space>have<space>seen<space>any<space>of<space>the<space>footage<space>about<space>that<space>particular<space>day<space>in<space>San<space>Francisco,<space>where<space>the<space>mayor<space>opens<space>it<space>up.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3225.60 8.80 And<space>what<space>happens<space>is<space>gay<space>and<space>lesbian<space>couples<space>start<space>forming<space>outside<space>of<space>the<space>courthouse<space>waiting<space>to<space>get<space>married.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3235.20 9.92 Well,<space>there's<space>a<space>driving<space>rainstorm<space>and<space>they<space>decide<space>that<space>even<space>in<space>the<space>driving<space>rainstorm,<space>they<space>are<space>going<space>to<space>stay<space>outside<space>of<space>that<space>courthouse.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3245.44 3.92 Many<space>people<space>don't<space>get<space>in<space>the<space>courthouse<space>that<space>day<space>to<space>get<space>married.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3249.44 5.92 And<space>so<space>the<space>police<space>come<space>out<space>about<space>five<space>o'clock<space>and<space>they<space>say<space>to<space>many<space>of<space>these<space>couples,<space>you<space>need<space>to<space>leave.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3255.52 3.52 You<space>can't<space>assemble<space>here<space>overnight.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3259.84 7.84 And<space>several<space>couples<space>said<space>that<space>they<space>talked<space>about,<space>they<space>talked<space>to<space>the<space>police<space>and<space>they<space>said,<space>well,<space>what<space>are<space>you<space>going<space>to<space>do<space>if<space>we<space>don't<space>leave?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3267.84 1.76 Will<space>you<space>arrest<space>us?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3270.08 4.64 And<space>the<space>police<space>officer<space>said,<space>well,<space>probably<space>not.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3275.44 9.12 So<space>there<space>was<space>like<space>a<space>monsoon<space>rainstorm<space>throughout<space>the<space>night,<space>and<space>the<space>crowd<space>continued<space>to<space>grow.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3284.72 31.52 And<space>there<space>are<space>stories<space>about<space>people<space>in<space>San<space>Francisco<space>coming<space>to<space>the<space>courthouse<space>throughout<space>the<space>evening,<space>bringing<space>food,<space>bringing<space>umbrellas,<space>bringing<space>raincoats<space>and<space>bringing<space>chairs<space>for<space>people<space>to<space>sit<space>in<space>and<space>supporting<space>those<space>folks<space>who<space>were<space>waiting<space>in<space>line,<space>who<space>were<space>scared<space>that<space>if<space>they<space>left<space>the<space>line,<space>that<space>they<space>would<space>never<space>be<space>permitted<space>to<space>get<space>back<space>into<space>the<space>line<space>so<space>that<space>they<space>could<space>marry<space>the<space>next<space>day<space>when<space>the<space>courthouse<space>opened.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3317.28 7.44 So<space>that's<space>a<space>little<space>bit<space>of,<space>kind<space>of<space>the<space>resolve<space>that<space>many<space>had<space>in<space>California.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3324.72 8.56 And<space>when<space>you<space>look<space>at<space>the<space>literature<space>about,<space>and<space>when<space>you<space>talk<space>to<space>the<space>people<space>about<space>-<space>and<space>you<space>talk<space>to<space>these<space>lesbians<space>about<space>why<space>would<space>you<space>go<space>through<space>this?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3333.28 1.92 Why<space>would<space>you<space>choose<space>to<space>marry?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3335.68 6.64 Many<space>of<space>them<space>talk<space>about<space>wanting<space>the<space>legal<space>and<space>civil<space>rights<space>that<space>come<space>with<space>marriage,<space>that<space>Anne's<space>actually<space>going<space>to<space>be<space>talking<space>about.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3342.72 2.40 Many,<space>talked<space>about<space>how<space>they<space>were<space>very<space>surprised.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3345.20 7.04 These<space>women<space>that<space>we<space>spoke<space>to<space>had<space>been,<space>who<space>had<space>been<space>together<space>anywhere<space>from<space>10<space>to<space>35<space>years.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3352.72 12.00 And<space>some<space>of<space>them,<space>actually,<space>some<space>of<space>them<space>were<space>very<space>surprised,<space>and<space>they<space>talked<space>about<space>how,<space>when<space>they<space>got<space>married,<space>there<space>was<space>a<space>deepening<space>commitment<space>to<space>their<space>relationship.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3365.28 10.48 They<space>talked<space>about<space>how<space>marriage<space>changed<space>their<space>perceptions<space>about<space>how<space>they<space>were<space>as<space>a<space>couple,<space>and<space>that<space>they<space>now<space>felt<space>legally<space>and<space>financially<space>more<space>secure.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3375.92 7.68 And<space>in<space>fact,<space>for<space>the<space>folks<space>in<space>California,<space>we<space>talked<space>to<space>several<space>folks<space>that<space>they<space>now<space>had<space>rights<space>to<space>their<space>California<space>pensions.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3383.84 5.44 And<space>these<space>were<space>people<space>who<space>were<space>no<space>longer-<space>They<space>didn't<space>have<space>to<space>worry<space>about<space>living<space>in<space>poverty.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3389.76 3.92 They<space>also<space>said<space>that<space>they<space>had<space>much<space>more<space>of<space>a<space>feeling<space>of<space>permanence.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3393.92 20.24 So<space>when<space>you<space>look<space>at<space>the<space>literature,<space>the<space>literature<space>is<space>pretty,<space>it's<space>pretty<space>clear<space>that<space>gay<space>and<space>lesbian<space>parents,<space>are<space>not<space>-<space>There<space>are<space>no<space>poor<space>outcomes<space>for<space>kids<space>because<space>of<space>gay<space>lesbian<space>parents.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3414.24 6.08 And<space>that<space>marriage<space>somehow<space>creates<space>a<space>permanence<space>and<space>more<space>of<space>a<space>financial<space>security.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3420.40 8.56 And<space>finally,<space>one<space>other<space>thing<space>I<space>want<space>to<space>say<space>when<space>I<space>had<space>a<space>real<space>job<space>before<space>I<space>started<space>teaching,<space>I<space>actually<space>worked<space>in<space>infant<space>mental<space>health.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3429.36 17.44 And<space>one<space>of<space>the<space>things<space>that<space>was<space>very<space>clear<space>when<space>we<space>worked<space>with<space>infants<space>and<space>toddlers,<space>and<space>that<space>we<space>believe<space>very-<space>So<space>any<space>of<space>you<space>that<space>know<space>Selma<space>Fraiberg<space>and<space>the<space>research<space>she<space>has<space>done<space>is<space>that<space>children<space>are<space>mirrors<space>of<space>their,<space>she<space>just<space>said<space>mirrors<space>of<space>their<space>mothers.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3446.96 2.96 We<space>like<space>to<space>say<space>mirrors<space>of<space>their<space>primary<space>caretakers.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3450.32 16.96 And<space>one<space>of<space>the<space>things<space>that<space>we<space>know<space>is<space>that<space>if<space>in<space>fact,<space>the<space>parents<space>are<space>secure,<space>not<space>living<space>in<space>poverty<space>and<space>not<space>depressed,<space>feeling<space>secure<space>in<space>terms<space>of<space>their<space>family<space>and<space>the<space>commitment<space>that<space>in<space>fact<space>children<space>do<space>much<space>better.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3467.44 13.68 And<space>so<space>I<space>would<space>say<space>that<space>one<space>of<space>the<space>things<space>we<space>need<space>to<space>think<space>about<space>is<space>if<space>children<space>are<space>in<space>fact<space>mirrors<space>of<space>their<space>parents,<space>in<space>terms<space>of<space>their<space>mental<space>health,<space>we<space>need<space>to<space>look<space>at<space>that<space>literature<space>very<space>seriously.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3481.20 6.32 As<space>we<space>think<space>about<space>what<space>sorts<space>of<space>policies<space>we<space>enact<space>for<space>children,<space>or<space>for<space>children<space>and<space>parents.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3487.68 7.52 Thank<space>you.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3495.20 12.00 Are<space>there<space>any<space>questions<space>for<space>Dr.<space>Boysen?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3507.20 4.72 I<space>want<space>to<space>ask<space>people<space>to<space>identify<space>themselves<space>by<space>first<space>name<space>so<space>we<space>can<space>keep<space>a<space>record.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3512.16 11.20 I'm<space>David,<space>I<space>have<space>a<space>question<space>on<space>internationals,<space>people<space>moving<space>in<space>from<space>other<space>cultures,<space>into<space>like<space>these<space>cities.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3523.36 8.48 What's<space>that<space>research<space>on<space>them,<space>where<space>their<space>families<space>are.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3532.24 7.60 I'm<space>curious<space>to<space>see<space>that<space>maybe<space>you're<space>tapping<space>into<space>some<space>research<space>on<space>people<space>moving<space>in<space>from<space>other<space>cultures<space>into<space>and<space>living<space>in<space>our<space>cities.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3540.80 8.16 And<space>this<space>is<space>unrelated<space>to<space>this,<space>to<space>this<space>topic.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3548.96 1.44 What<space>would<space>kind<space>of<space>be<space>your<space>research<space>with<space>families<space>in<space>general?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3550.40 10.56 Oh,<space>so<space>you're<space>wondering<space>about,<space>yeah,<space>so<space>we<space>are,<space>There<space>are<space>actually,<space>we<space>have<space>four<space>groups<space>of<space>people.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3561.52 7.84 We<space>actually<space>are<space>either<space>the<space>first,<space>we<space>are<space>first<space>in<space>the<space>country<space>or<space>second<space>in<space>the<space>country<space>in<space>terms<space>of<space>these<space>populations<space>moving,<space>immigrating<space>here.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3569.44 16.72 So<space>for<space>instance,<space>among<space>folks,<space>the<space>car<space>in-<space>Actually<space>I'm<space>trying<space>to<space>pull<space>from<space>my<space>lecture,<space>I<space>just<space>did<space>last<space>week<space>in<space>terms<space>of<space>immigration,<space>we<space>actually<space>are<space>a<space>hotbed<space>in<space>terms<space>of<space>immigration<space>and<space>twin<space>cities.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3586.88 12.64 And<space>you're<space>wondering,<space>and<space>besides<space>that,<space>the<space>additional<space>question<space>is-<space>-<space>The<space>views<space>of<space>marriage,<space>family,<space>things<space>you'd<space>have<space>to<space>face<space>with<space>when<space>you<space>immigrate?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3601.20 0.64 Okay.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3602.08 6.72 So<space>as<space>you<space>know,<space>when<space>people<space>immigrate,<space>they<space>immigrate<space>with<space>the<space>cultures<space>that<space>they<space>had<space>in<space>their<space>home<space>country.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3608.88 23.92 And<space>so<space>really<space>the-<space>One<space>of<space>the<space>tasks<space>for<space>families<space>who<space>immigrate<space>is<space>when<space>they<space>get<space>to<space>the<space>first-generation<space>or<space>that<space>second<space>generation,<space>how<space>do<space>they<space>then<space>mold<space>into<space>their<space>family,<space>kind<space>of<space>what<space>happens<space>with<space>the<space>mores,<space>of<space>the<space>United<space>States<space>with<space>what's<space>happening<space>in<space>their<space>home<space>countries.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3632.88 15.12 And<space>so<space>what<space>you'll<space>see<space>is<space>that<space>many<space>of<space>the<space>parents<space>who<space>immigrated<space>will<space>stick<space>with<space>traditional<space>values<space>and<space>then<space>their<space>children,<space>and<space>then<space>their<space>grandchildren<space>will<space>start<space>to<space>integrate<space>the<space>values<space>of<space>the<space>United<space>States.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3648.00 14.88 And<space>in<space>fact,<space>what<space>you'll<space>find<space>in<space>that<space>generation<space>of<space>young<space>children<space>that<space>have<space>moved<space>here<space>perhaps<space>at<space>a<space>young<space>age,<space>is<space>that<space>many<space>times<space>you'll<space>find<space>that<space>those<space>kids<space>take<space>on<space>the<space>United<space>States<space>persona<space>very<space>strongly.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3663.28 2.32 And<space>so<space>there<space>can<space>be<space>a<space>lot<space>of<space>tension.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3665.76 17.92 And,<space>in<space>fact,<space>many<space>times<space>the<space>people<space>that<space>are<space>seen<space>for<space>problems<space>or<space>in,<space>within<space>the<space>family<space>are<space>those<space>families<space>where<space>they've<space>been<space>unable<space>to<space>kind<space>of<space>negotiate<space>those<space>inherent<space>intensions<space>of<space>immigrant<space>parents<space>and<space>this<space>first<space>generation.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3684.00 11.04 So<space>it<space>is<space>a<space>tension.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3695.52 1.76 Other<space>questions?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3700.24 5.84 I<space>appreciate<space>you<space>mentioning<space>about<space>the<space>1950s,<space>and<space>the<space>families<space>back<space>then<space>compared<space>to<space>today.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3706.16 12.48 But<space>I<space>think<space>that's<space>a<space>part<space>of<space>the<space>problem<space>is<space>that,<space>the<space>culture<space>has<space>been<space>the<space>needing<space>a<space>father,<space>making<space>a<space>big<space>effort<space>to<space>push<space>the<space>father,<space>now.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3718.80 18.56 The<space>statistics<space>for<space>fatherless<space>families,<space>and<space>the<space>kids<space>being<space>deprived<space>of<space>continuity<space>is<space>very<space>high,<space>but,<space>but<space>that<space>is<space>not,<space>I<space>mean,<space>kicking<space>a<space>father<space>out<space>does<space>not<space>help<space>our<space>country.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3737.68 4.88 Does<space>not<space>help<space>the<space>tax<space>burden,<space>the<space>taxes,<space>everything.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3742.72 8.08 So<space>I<space>don't<space>see<space>that<space>as<space>a<space>positive<space>step<space>of,<space>even<space>for<space>heterosexuals<space>that<space>are<space>families.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3751.36 3.36 One<space>of<space>the<space>things<space>I<space>would<space>say<space>about<space>that,<space>Tim<space>is<space>actually<space>a<space>public<space>policy.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3754.80 16.32 When<space>you<space>look<space>at<space>the<space>researcher<space>on<space>public<space>policy<space>and<space>what's<space>best<space>for<space>families,<space>one<space>of<space>the<space>things<space>that's<space>not<space>good<space>for<space>families<space>is<space>the<space>inequity<space>between-<space>the<space>inequity<space>that<space>we're<space>seeing<space>in<space>our<space>country<space>right<space>now,<space>in<space>terms<space>of<space>low-income<space>versus<space>high-income.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3771.12 7.20 And<space>when<space>you<space>look<space>at<space>those<space>inequities,<space>it<space>is,<space>the<space>inequity<space>in<space>the<space>U.S<space>is<space>as<space>high<space>now<space>as<space>it<space>was<space>in<space>the<space>1920s.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3778.48 15.28 And<space>we<space>know<space>that<space>when<space>there's<space>that<space>kind<space>of<space>inequity<space>and<space>the<space>kind<space>of-<space>We<space>just,<space>we're<space>having-<space>There<space>are<space>books<space>being<space>written<space>right<space>now<space>about<space>what's<space>happening<space>with<space>our<space>males,<space>with<space>our<space>male<space>youth.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3794.00 20.08 And<space>terms<space>of<space>that-<space>We<space>don't<space>have<space>strong<space>policy<space>for<space>what<space>to<space>do<space>around<space>our<space>young<space>men,<space>and<space>that<space>we<space>need<space>to<space>have<space>more<space>social<space>policies<space>that<space>actually<space>speak<space>to<space>education,<space>getting<space>them<space>educated,<space>getting<space>them<space>jobs,<space>those<space>sorts<space>of<space>things.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3814.08 2.56 And<space>that,<space>in<space>fact,<space>I<space>would<space>agree<space>with<space>you<space>completely.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3816.72 9.60 I<space>think<space>that<space>a<space>two<space>parent<space>household<space>maybe<space>where<space>we<space>would<space>disagree<space>was<space>who<space>those<space>two<space>parents<space>are,<space>but<space>certainly<space>two<space>parent<space>households.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3826.32 9.68 We<space>know<space>that<space>they<space>are<space>more<space>apt<space>to<space>not<space>live<space>in<space>poverty<space>and<space>they<space>are<space>more<space>sensitive<space>and<space>more<space>responsive<space>and<space>receptive<space>to<space>their<space>children.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3836.08 6.16 And<space>so<space>I<space>actually<space>would<space>agree<space>with<space>you<space>completely,<space>that<space>two<space>parent<space>households<space>are<space>in<space>fact<space>much<space>better<space>for<space>children.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3842.32 4.48 There<space>are<space>many<space>more<space>resources<space>for<space>those<space>kids<space>and<space>they<space>have<space>much<space>better<space>outcomes.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3848.00 2.80 Okay,<space>were<space>going<space>a<space>little<space>bit<space>long.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3850.80 4.56 There<space>will<space>be<space>a<space>time<space>again<space>for<space>additional<space>questions<space>for<space>all<space>the<space>panelists.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3855.76 2.08 We're<space>just<space>going<space>to<space>take<space>a<space>10<space>minute<space>break.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3857.92 3.04 We<space>have<space>water<space>and<space>cookies,<space>at<space>the<space>table.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3861.04 13.60 If<space>you<space>did<space>see<space>the<space>surveys,<space>when<space>you<space>came<space>in,<space>we'd<space>like<space>to<space>have<space>everybody<space>fill<space>out<space>a<space>survey,<space>we<space>mentioned<space>that<space>the<space>the<space>cable,<space>the<space>broadcast<space>here<space>this<space>evening<space>is<space>being<space>recorded.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3874.88 3.44 By<space>Ransom<space>Washington<space>Cable<space>Commission.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3878.48 9.76 The<space>recording<space>will<space>be<space>Cablecast<space>by<space>the<space>city<space>of<space>Maple,<space>on<space>channel<space>16<space>and<space>will<space>be<space>online<space>at<space>the<space>city<space>of<space>Maplewood.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3888.32 5.12 And<space>at<space>RWCable.com.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3894.96 12.56 Before<space>I<space>introduce<space>Anne<space>again,<space>I'd<space>like<space>to<space>ask<space>Gary,<space>if<space>he<space>would<space>like<space>to<space>make<space>comments<space>to<space>the<space>audience.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3909.68 2.16 Hi<space>my<space>name<space>is<space>Gary<space>Grefenberg.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3911.84 5.92 I'm<space>chair<space>of<space>the<space>Roseville<space>Human<space>Rights<space>commission,<space>one<space>of<space>the<space>two<space>co-sponsors<space>of<space>this<space>event.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3918.24 13.44 I<space>wanted<space>to<space>welcome<space>you<space>tonight,<space>especially<space>wanted<space>to<space>thank<space>John<space>and<space>the<space>Maplewood<space>human<space>rights<space>commission<space>for<space>their<space>efforts<space>to<space>hold<space>this<space>forum<space>in<space>an<space>unbiased,<space>and<space>fair<space>way.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3931.84 6.48 I<space>want<space>to<space>repeat,<space>repeated<space>efforts<space>were<space>made<space>with<space>the<space>Minnesotans<space>For<space>Marriage<space>to<space>send<space>a<space>speaker.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3938.40 1.92 They<space>consistently<space>refused.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3940.40 1.92 So<space>we<space>tried<space>our<space>best.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3942.64 12.40 I<space>also<space>want<space>to<space>add<space>that<space>the<space>Roseville<space>human<space>rights<space>commission,<space>believes<space>that<space>human<space>rights<space>are<space>controversial,<space>but<space>that<space>should<space>not<space>reclude<space>rational<space>and<space>respectful<space>dialogue<space>on<space>these<space>issues.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3955.52 4.08 Human<space>rights<space>in<space>this<space>country,<space>have<space>always<space>been<space>controversial.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3959.84 12.24 If<space>there<space>had<space>been<space>a<space>referendum<space>in<space>Mississippi<space>and<space>Alabama<space>and<space>Georgia,<space>we<space>never<space>would<space>have<space>seen<space>the<space>civil<space>rights<space>and<space>the<space>rights<space>of<space>black<space>people<space>to<space>exercise<space>their<space>.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3972.24 16.40 So<space>from<space>our<space>viewpoint,<space>the<space>Roseville<space>human<space>rights<space>commission<space>believes<space>that<space>marriage<space>is<space>a<space>civil<space>right<space>and<space>civil<space>law,<space>civil<space>law<space>and<space>civil<space>constitutions-<space>should<space>permit<space>all<space>of<space>those.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3988.88 6.08 Irrespective<space>their<space>sexual<space>orientation,<space>the<space>ability<space>to<space>exercise<space>that<space>right.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3995.20 2.16 So<space>thank<space>you<space>again<space>for<space>coming.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 3997.44 8.64 If<space>you'd<space>like<space>further<space>information<space>on<space>future<space>human<space>rights<space>events<space>and<space>activities,<space>please<space>sign<space>up<space>by<space>the<space>water<space>on<space>your<space>way<space>out.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4006.32 9.44 Oracle,<space>an<space>event<space>next<space>Monday<space>night,<space>on<space>religious<space>perspectives<space>on<space>same-sex<space>marriage.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4015.76 15.28 This<space>event<space>will<space>have<space>the<space>Representative<space>Pastors<space>from<space>a<space>variety<space>of<space>religious<space>perspectives,<space>including<space>those<space>of<space>an<space>evangelical<space>persuasion<space>proceeding-<space>Will<space>be<space>speaking<space>from<space>their<space>beliefs.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4031.12 4.64 So<space>we<space>invite<space>all<space>of<space>you<space>to<space>come<space>to<space>Roseville<space>Monday<space>night.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4035.84 1.52 There's<space>some<space>flyers<space>here.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4037.52 4.48 If<space>you'd<space>like<space>to<space>further<space>continue<space>the<space>dialogue<space>on<space>religious<space>perspectives.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4042.08 2.00 Thank<space>you.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4045.04 1.92 Okay<space>thanks<space>Gary.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4047.20 2.80 Anne,<space>we<space>have<space>two<space>different<space>microphones<space>that<space>you<space>can<space>use.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4050.00 2.24 You<space>can<space>use<space>the<space>handheld<space>microphone.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4052.24 2.24 You<space>can<space>use<space>the<space>one<space>at<space>your<space>desk<space>or<space>the<space>podium.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4054.48 5.12 We<space>have<space>one<space>that<space>you<space>can<space>take<space>if<space>you<space>need<space>to<space>walk<space>out,<space>to<space>see<space>your<space>presentation.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4059.84 5.28 If<space>you<space>need<space>to<space>be<space>able<space>to<space>see<space>your<space>PowerPoint.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4072.64 2.08 Well,<space>thank<space>you<space>very<space>much,<space>John.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4074.72 2.32 And<space>thanks<space>so<space>much<space>everybody<space>for<space>being<space>here<space>tonight.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4077.04 1.84 I'm<space>really<space>glad<space>to<space>be<space>here<space>this<space>evening.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4078.88 4.24 I<space>appreciate<space>both<space>human<space>rights<space>commissions,<space>invitation<space>to<space>speak<space>with<space>you<space>tonight.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4083.20 20.56 I'm<space>Anne-Kaner<space>Roth<space>I<space>am<space>the<space>executive<space>director<space>of<space>project<space>515,<space>and<space>I'm<space>going<space>to<space>talk<space>with<space>you<space>a<space>little<space>bit<space>about<space>project<space>515<space>and<space>the<space>work<space>that<space>we<space>do<space>as<space>well<space>as<space>the<space>research<space>that<space>we've<space>done,<space>which<space>really<space>relates<space>to<space>the<space>topic<space>on<space>your<space>agenda,<space>which<space>are<space>the<space>kinds<space>of<space>rights<space>and<space>responsibilities<space>that<space>couples<space>access<space>with<space>legal<space>civil<space>care.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4104.00 2.96 So<space>just<space>a<space>little<space>bit<space>about<space>project<space>515.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4107.04 9.36 Project<space>515's<space>mission<space>is<space>equal<space>rights<space>and<space>considerations<space>under<space>the<space>law<space>for<space>same-sex<space>couples<space>in<space>Minnesota.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4116.56 6.64 And<space>just<space>to<space>reiterate<space>what<space>some<space>of<space>the<space>speakers<space>have<space>referenced,<space>currently<space>in<space>Minnesota<space>law,<space>marriage<space>between<space>same-sex<space>couples<space>is<space>not<space>legal.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4123.20 5.04 And<space>this<space>came<space>into<space>play<space>in<space>1997<space>when<space>the<space>Minnesota<space>legislature<space>hatched<space>its<space>own<space>version<space>of<space>what<space>we've<space>seen<space>at<space>the<space>federal<space>level<space>as<space>the<space>defense<space>of<space>marriage<space>act.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4128.40 5.84 And<space>see<space>some<space>of<space>the<space>language<space>here<space>on<space>the<space>slide,<space>in<space>law,<space>which<space>states<space>that<space>lawful<space>marriage<space>is<space>only<space>between<space>persons<space>of<space>the<space>opposite<space>sex<space>and<space>that<space>marriage<space>between<space>the<space>persons<space>of<space>the<space>same-sex<space>is<space>prohibited.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4134.32 2.80 So<space>just<space>to<space>clarify,<space>not<space>really<space>have,<space>what<space>the<space>law<space>is<space>in<space>Minnesota<space>currently.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4159.52 2.96 So<space>just<space>a<space>little<space>bit<space>of<space>background<space>of<space>how<space>we<space>got<space>to<space>where<space>we<space>are<space>at<space>this<space>point.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4162.48 14.40 Looking<space>at<space>this<space>ballot<space>measure,<space>which<space>we<space>will<space>have<space>on<space>the<space>ballot<space>exactly<space>two<space>weeks<space>from<space>today,<space>ballot<space>measures<space>have<space>been<space>passed<space>by<space>the<space>legislature.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4177.44 4.16 They<space>bypass<space>the<space>governor<space>and<space>go<space>directly<space>to<space>the<space>electorate<space>to<space>approve<space>or,<space>or<space>deny.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4181.60 22.56 And<space>so<space>you<space>see<space>on<space>the<space>slide,<space>what<space>we<space>saw<space>happen<space>at<space>the<space>Minnesota<space>legislature<space>with<space>the<space>constitutional<space>amendment<space>passing<space>in<space>the<space>Senate,<space>as<space>well<space>as<space>in<space>the<space>house<space>on<space>a<space>bipartisan<space>manner,<space>on<space>both<space>sides.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4204.16 4.40 In<space>fact,<space>there<space>were<space>Republicans<space>that<space>opposed<space>the<space>amendment<space>there<space>were<space>Democrats<space>that<space>supported<space>it,<space>again<space>legislature<space>bypasses<space>the<space>governor.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4208.56 6.24 So<space>although<space>the<space>governor<space>folks<space>may<space>remember,<space>I<space>issued<space>a<space>symbolic<space>veto<space>of<space>the<space>amendment,<space>the<space>ability<space>to<space>approve<space>these<space>kinds<space>of<space>amendments<space>go<space>directly<space>to<space>the<space>electorate.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4214.80 16.64 And<space>on<space>the<space>evening<space>of<space>the<space>passage<space>of<space>the<space>bill<space>in<space>the<space>final<space>body<space>of<space>legislature,<space>that<space>campaign,<space>which<space>was<space>called<space>Minnesotans<space>United<space>for<space>all<space>families,<space>was<space>launched<space>to<space>work<space>against<space>this<space>amendment,<space>and<space>to<space>defeat<space>it<space>on<space>the<space>ballot.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4232.56 4.88 Language<space>that<space>folks<space>will<space>see<space>on<space>the<space>ballot<space>is<space>important<space>to<space>look<space>at<space>it,<space>see<space>and<space>think.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4237.52 18.72 I've<space>been<space>working<space>with<space>this<space>issue<space>and<space>with<space>this<space>campaign<space>now<space>for<space>what's<space>going<space>on<space>almost<space>two<space>years,<space>and<space>what<space>I've<space>seen<space>in<space>the<space>discussions<space>that<space>I<space>have<space>with<space>voters<space>every<space>day<space>is<space>that<space>there<space>is<space>a<space>lot<space>of<space>confusion<space>about<space>what<space>this<space>question<space>is,<space>what<space>language<space>would<space>be<space>on<space>the<space>ballot<space>and<space>what<space>that<space>question<space>actually<space>means.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4256.48 15.28 And<space>so<space>I<space>think<space>it's<space>important<space>to<space>take<space>a<space>look<space>at<space>it,<space>in<space>advanced<space>point<space>to<space>the<space>ballot<space>box<space>and<space>the<space>language<space>we'll<space>see<space>is<space>shall<space>the<space>Minnesota<space>constitution<space>be<space>amended<space>to<space>provide<space>that<space>only<space>the<space>union<space>of<space>one<space>man,<space>and<space>one<space>woman<space>shall<space>be<space>valid<space>or<space>recognized<space>as<space>a<space>marriage<space>in<space>Minnesota?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4272.00 1.20 Yes<space>or<space>no.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4273.52 5.28 As<space>we<space>talk<space>about<space>a<space>little<space>bit<space>marriage<space>for<space>same-sex<space>couples<space>in<space>Minnesota<space>is<space>presently<space>illegal.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4279.12 7.44 So<space>a<space>yes<space>vote<space>puts<space>a<space>ban<space>on<space>same-sex<space>marriage<space>in<space>the<space>constitution,<space>which<space>replicates<space>what<space>we<space>already<space>have<space>in<space>statute.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4287.12 6.32 A<space>no<space>vote<space>keeps<space>the<space>current,<space>basically<space>the<space>status<space>quo.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4294.24 6.32 There's<space>a<space>little<space>bit<space>about<space>Project<space>515,<space>what<space>we<space>work<space>on<space>as<space>we<space>move<space>into<space>some<space>of<space>the<space>research<space>that<space>we<space>do.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4300.96 3.84 Project<space>515<space>has<space>four<space>primary<space>strategies.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4304.96 1.92 The<space>first<space>is<space>public<space>education.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4306.88 9.44 We<space>do<space>quite<space>a<space>lot<space>of<space>public<space>speaking<space>and<space>talking<space>about<space>the<space>research<space>that<space>we<space>do,<space>telling<space>the<space>stories<space>of<space>the<space>families,<space>which<space>I'll<space>be<space>getting<space>to<space>in<space>just<space>a<space>moment.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4316.32 13.28 One<space>of<space>the<space>things<space>that<space>we<space>find<space>is<space>that<space>it<space>is<space>illuminating<space>for<space>people<space>to<space>hear<space>about<space>the<space>kind<space>of<space>impact<space>that<space>Minnesota<space>law<space>has<space>on<space>families<space>in<space>Minnesota,<space>presenting<space>on<space>that<space>as<space>well.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4330.80 14.64 One<space>of<space>the<space>niches<space>that<space>Project<space>515<space>has<space>in<space>the<space>community,<space>is<space>specific<space>outreach<space>in<space>the<space>corporate<space>community,<space>folks<space>may<space>know<space>that<space>Minnesota<space>has<space>a<space>special<space>corporate<space>community,<space>and<space>that<space>is<space>per<space>capita,<space>the<space>largest<space>in<space>the<space>country<space>in<space>terms<space>of<space>fortune<space>500<space>companies.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4345.92 8.56 And<space>interestingly<space>enough,<space>some<space>70%<space>of<space>those<space>companies<space>have<space>offered<space>domestic<space>partner<space>benefits<space>to<space>their<space>employees<space>for<space>decades,<space>in<space>fact.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4354.56 9.04 And<space>so<space>Minnesota<space>businesses<space>have<space>really<space>stepped<space>out<space>in<space>the<space>past<space>for<space>quite<space>some<space>time<space>in<space>terms<space>of<space>trying<space>to<space>level<space>the<space>playing<space>field<space>for<space>their<space>employees.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4363.60 4.48 And<space>finding<space>a<space>legislative<space>advocacy<space>is<space>one<space>of<space>the<space>keystones<space>of<space>Project<space>515.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4368.08 9.04 So<space>as<space>we<space>work<space>towards<space>eliminating<space>the<space>515<space>laws<space>that<space>discriminate<space>against<space>same-sex<space>couples<space>who<space>work<space>at<space>the<space>state<space>Capitol,<space>to<space>change<space>those<space>thoughts.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4378.00 5.04 Some<space>of<space>the<space>research<space>that<space>we<space>have<space>done<space>works<space>on<space>surveying<space>Minnesotans.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4383.04 10.40 In<space>fact,<space>Project<space>515,<space>did<space>the<space>very<space>first<space>survey<space>of<space>Minnesotans<space>to<space>start<space>to<space>understand<space>how<space>Minnesotans<space>felt<space>about<space>issues<space>related<space>to<space>equality<space>for<space>same-sex<space>couples<space>in<space>Minnesota.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4393.68 9.36 And<space>one<space>of<space>the<space>things<space>that<space>we<space>found<space>was<space>that<space>eight<space>out<space>of<space>ten<space>of<space>the<space>respondents<space>said<space>that<space>government<space>shouldn't<space>treat<space>people<space>differently<space>because<space>of<space>their<space>sexual<space>orientation.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4403.60 7.04 And<space>that<space>70%<space>Minnesotans<space>said<space>that<space>gays<space>and<space>lesbians<space>have<space>the<space>same<space>rights<space>and<space>responsibilities<space>as<space>everybody<space>else.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4411.12 6.08 And<space>this<space>is<space>the<space>same<space>data<space>really<space>that<space>we<space>have<space>gathered<space>year<space>after<space>year<space>asking<space>questions<space>in<space>many<space>different<space>ways.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4417.20 5.36 But<space>what<space>we<space>found<space>is<space>that<space>in<space>Minnesota,<space>Minnesotans<space>really<space>do<space>support<space>equality.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4423.44 27.60 The<space>primary<space>research<space>however,<space>that<space>Project<space>515<space>is<space>really<space>known<space>for<space>came<space>originally<space>out<space>of<space>William<space>Mitchell<space>school<space>of<space>law,<space>where<space>we<space>worked<space>with<space>law<space>professors<space>there<space>and<space>students<space>to<space>essentially<space>gather<space>data<space>on<space>Minnesota<space>statutes<space>by<space>calling<space>through<space>every<space>statute<space>in<space>Minnesota,<space>to<space>find<space>out<space>how<space>many<space>statutes<space>afforded<space>rights<space>or<space>benefits<space>or<space>responsibilities<space>to<space>people<space>by<space>the<space>ability<space>to<space>access<space>marriage.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4451.04 8.16 And<space>so<space>what<space>we<space>used<space>were<space>keywords<space>like<space>spouse<space>and<space>marriage<space>to<space>see<space>what<space>would<space>that<space>trigger<space>for<space>families<space>in<space>Minnesota.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4459.36 14.40 And<space>what<space>we<space>found<space>is<space>that<space>there<space>were,<space>as<space>you've<space>probably<space>gathered<space>by<space>now,<space>at<space>least<space>515<space>laws<space>in<space>Minnesota,<space>that<space>discriminate<space>against<space>same-sex<space>couples<space>and<space>their<space>families<space>by<space>not<space>allowing<space>marriage<space>for<space>those<space>families.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4474.08 8.64 And<space>what<space>we<space>see<space>in<space>that<space>research<space>really<space>is<space>laws<space>that<space>impact<space>families,<space>really<space>in<space>the<space>full<space>spectrum<space>of<space>life.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4482.96 19.60 Everywhere<space>from,<space>from<space>birth<space>to<space>death,<space>you<space>see<space>differences<space>in<space>the<space>way<space>that<space>same-sex<space>couples<space>are<space>treated<space>to<space>married<space>couples,<space>in<space>so<space>many<space>different<space>ways<space>in<space>healthcare,<space>in<space>social<space>services,<space>in<space>politics,<space>in<space>providing<space>for<space>your<space>family.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4502.56 3.52 And<space>also<space>at<space>the<space>time<space>of<space>death<space>and<space>beyond.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4506.64 5.76 We<space>know<space>that<space>these<space>are<space>things<space>that<space>hurt<space>families<space>deeply<space>as<space>the<space>speaker<space>before<space>me<space>referenced.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4512.40 4.72 There<space>are<space>many,<space>many<space>same-sex<space>couples<space>in<space>Minnesota<space>that<space>are<space>raising<space>children.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4517.76 7.44 So<space>just<space>to<space>kind<space>of<space>dig<space>into<space>it<space>a<space>little<space>bit<space>more,<space>if<space>you<space>can<space>see<space>this<space>slide,<space>we<space>can<space>see<space>really<space>the<space>range<space>of<space>laws<space>that<space>we're<space>talking<space>about.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4525.68 4.08 91<space>Laws<space>that<space>relate<space>to<space>death,<space>estates<space>and<space>trusts.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4529.76 4.24 28<space>Laws<space>that<space>relate<space>to<space>courts<space>and<space>criminal<space>law.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4534.00 3.76 37<space>Laws<space>that<space>relate<space>to<space>tax<space>and<space>property.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4538.00 17.20 So<space>you<space>start<space>to<space>see<space>that<space>we<space>really<space>are<space>talking<space>about<space>every<space>way<space>in<space>which<space>the<space>law<space>impacts<space>people's<space>lives,<space>whether<space>that's<space>your<space>day<space>to<space>day<space>life<space>or<space>a<space>certain<space>events<space>over<space>the<space>course<space>of<space>your<space>lifetime,<space>these<space>statutes<space>really<space>do<space>impact<space>families<space>all<space>the<space>way<space>through.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4555.76 4.00 So<space>I<space>want<space>to<space>tell<space>a<space>little<space>bit<space>about<space>some<space>of<space>these<space>various<space>specific<space>statutes.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4559.76 8.08 I<space>find<space>that<space>it's<space>usually<space>interesting<space>for<space>people<space>who<space>can't<space>wrap<space>their<space>head<space>around,<space>what<space>could<space>these<space>515<space>statutes<space>really<space>be.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4567.92 3.76 And<space>how<space>is<space>that<space>meaningful<space>to<space>people<space>in<space>Minnesota.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4571.68 10.88 So<space>the<space>first<space>one<space>that<space>I<space>have<space>up<space>here<space>says<space>the<space>spouse<space>of<space>a<space>patient<space>is<space>the<space>first<space>person<space>a<space>treating<space>physician<space>must<space>consult,<space>if<space>a<space>patient<space>can't<space>consent<space>to<space>treatment.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4582.72 8.08 And<space>this<space>might<space>be<space>something<space>that<space>folks<space>who<space>are<space>married<space>in<space>the<space>room<space>would<space>just<space>sort<space>of<space>assume,<space>this<space>is<space>kind<space>of<space>social<space>convention,<space>right?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4590.80 8.00 So<space>you're<space>in<space>the<space>hospital<space>and<space>your<space>spouse<space>is<space>unconscious,<space>not<space>able<space>to<space>make<space>decisions<space>for<space>themselves.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4598.80 5.60 And<space>you're<space>there,<space>you're<space>the<space>spouse<space>or<space>the<space>partner<space>who<space>should<space>be<space>the<space>person<space>that<space>helps<space>to<space>make<space>those<space>decisions.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4604.48 6.00 In<space>fact,<space>this<space>is<space>something<space>that<space>is<space>directed<space>by<space>statute<space>in<space>Minnesota,<space>specifically<space>to<space>the<space>legal<space>next<space>of<space>kin.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4610.88 8.08 And<space>for<space>a<space>same-sex<space>couple<space>a<space>legal<space>next<space>of<space>kin<space>is<space>never<space>going<space>to<space>be<space>the<space>same-sex<space>partner<space>because<space>they<space>are<space>not<space>legally<space>married.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4618.96 2.96 So<space>they<space>are<space>not<space>legally<space>related<space>in<space>the<space>eyes<space>of<space>the<space>law.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4622.64 5.92 So<space>here's<space>a<space>story<space>that<space>was<space>told<space>to<space>us<space>that<space>highlights<space>what<space>this<space>could<space>look<space>like<space>for<space>real<space>families.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4628.88 2.32 This<space>is<space>the<space>story<space>of<space>Earl<space>and<space>Chuck.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4631.52 11.12 And<space>Earl<space>and<space>Chuck<space>had<space>been<space>together<space>for<space>several<space>years<space>at<space>the<space>time<space>of<space>this<space>story,<space>when<space>Chuck<space>experienced<space>a<space>medical<space>emergency,<space>while<space>he<space>was<space>out<space>of<space>running,<space>he<space>was<space>taken<space>to<space>the<space>hospital.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4642.88 13.76 Fortunately,<space>although<space>he<space>did<space>not<space>have<space>any<space>identification<space>on<space>him,<space>a<space>friend<space>of<space>the<space>couple<space>was<space>on<space>duty<space>at<space>the<space>hospital<space>and<space>called<space>the<space>partner,<space>Earl,<space>to<space>come<space>to<space>the<space>hospital.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4656.64 3.36 But<space>when<space>Earl<space>arrived<space>at<space>the<space>hospital,<space>he<space>was<space>not<space>allowed<space>to<space>be<space>in<space>the<space>emergency<space>room<space>with<space>Chuck.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4660.00 7.20 He<space>was<space>not<space>allowed<space>to<space>make<space>medical<space>decisions<space>on<space>his<space>behalf,<space>and<space>Chuck<space>was<space>unconscious<space>and<space>so<space>could<space>not<space>consent<space>to<space>the<space>treatment<space>that<space>he<space>needed.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4667.28 18.80 And<space>so<space>it<space>fell<space>to<space>Earl<space>to<space>spend<space>two<space>hours<space>of<space>precious<space>time<space>to<space>track<space>down<space>Chuck's<space>parents,<space>to<space>be<space>able<space>to<space>consent<space>to<space>the<space>treatment<space>that<space>their<space>son<space>needed<space>and<space>lost<space>valuable<space>hours<space>in<space>which<space>the<space>treatment<space>could<space>have<space>been<space>delivered.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4686.72 2.96 So<space>second<space>statute<space>that<space>I<space>wanted<space>to<space>talk<space>with<space>you<space>about.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4689.68 11.68 And<space>this<space>is<space>sadly,<space>one<space>story<space>that<space>we<space>hear<space>over<space>and<space>over,<space>married<space>couples<space>have<space>the<space>right<space>to<space>control<space>the<space>disposition<space>of<space>their<space>spouse's<space>remains.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4701.52 5.68 So<space>this<space>is<space>that<space>what<space>could<space>perhaps<space>be<space>the<space>most<space>tragic<space>point<space>in<space>someone's<space>life.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4707.20 8.24 Where<space>your<space>spouse<space>or<space>partner<space>has<space>passed<space>away,<space>you<space>know<space>what<space>their<space>final<space>wishes<space>were.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4715.68 11.92 And<space>instead<space>of<space>the<space>coroner's<space>office<space>being<space>able<space>to<space>talk<space>with<space>you<space>about<space>what<space>those<space>final<space>wishes<space>would<space>be,<space>the<space>coroner<space>is<space>required<space>to<space>speak<space>to<space>the<space>next<space>of<space>kin.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4728.00 9.36 So<space>like<space>in<space>this<space>story,<space>Bob<space>and<space>his<space>partner<space>Richard,<space>who've<space>been<space>together<space>for<space>18<space>years<space>had<space>each<space>other's<space>contact<space>information<space>in<space>their<space>wallets<space>in<space>case<space>of<space>emergencies.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4737.52 12.32 But<space>when<space>Richard<space>died<space>unexpectedly<space>from<space>a<space>heart<space>attack<space>at<space>a<space>grocery<space>store,<space>Bob<space>was<space>not<space>contacted<space>by<space>the<space>medical<space>examiner's<space>office.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4749.84 3.76 They<space>initially<space>called<space>Bob's<space>phone,<space>but<space>they<space>couldn't<space>share<space>any<space>information<space>with<space>him.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4753.60 2.48 And<space>instead<space>they<space>needed<space>to<space>look<space>for<space>the<space>next<space>of<space>kin.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4756.32 5.76 Next<space>of<space>kin<space>ended<space>up<space>being<space>Richard's<space>sister<space>Marge,<space>who<space>lived<space>out<space>of<space>town.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4762.80 3.04 It<space>took<space>quite<space>some<space>time<space>to<space>track<space>her<space>down.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4766.08 2.56 We<space>actually<space>heard<space>this<space>story<space>from<space>the<space>sister.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4768.80 13.12 She<space>was<space>quite<space>irritated<space>actually<space>that<space>the<space>partner<space>of<space>18<space>years<space>was<space>not<space>the<space>one<space>that<space>was<space>allowed<space>to<space>take<space>this<space>final<space>responsibility<space>of<space>caring<space>for<space>his<space>partner<space>at<space>this<space>final<space>stage.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4781.92 10.64 And<space>that<space>in<space>fact,<space>she<space>was<space>the<space>one<space>that<space>needed<space>to<space>take<space>responsibility<space>for<space>that,<space>even<space>though<space>it<space>was<space>Richard,<space>or<space>that<space>was<space>Bob<space>that<space>knew<space>about<space>Richard's<space>wishes.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4793.36 3.36 So<space>now<space>we're<space>going<space>to<space>try<space>a<space>little<space>bit<space>of<space>technology.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4797.04 5.76 I<space>want<space>to<space>show<space>you<space>a<space>video<space>of<space>another<space>story<space>of<space>Carrie,<space>Rebecca<space>and<space>Ruby.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4802.88 20.40 So,<space>hold<space>tight<space>lets<space>see<space>if<space>we<space>can<space>get<space>this<space>technology<space>to<space>work.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4823.68 1.92 Oh<space>that<space>Pregnancy<space>was<space>awesome.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4826.24 1.36 She<space>was<space>picture<space>perfect.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4828.00 25.28 We<space>had<space>a<space>beautiful<space>pregnancy<space>and,<space>and<space>then<space>one<space>night<space>I<space>woke<space>up<space>in<space>a<space>crisis,<space>I<space>guess<space>you<space>can<space>say,<space>I<space>woke<space>up,<space>I<space>was<space>losing<space>Ruby,<space>feeling<space>pain<space>and<space>then<space>ripping<space>around<space>at<space>me<space>and,<space>and,<space>and<space>fainting,<space>I<space>guess,<space>or<space>I<space>dunno<space>if<space>they<space>even<space>got<space>the<space>anesthesia<space>in<space>and<space>then<space>Ruby<space>was<space>born,<space>they<space>had<space>to<space>resuscitate<space>her<space>a<space>few<space>times.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4854.08 11.52 They<space>did<space>everything<space>life-saving<space>that<space>they<space>could,<space>but<space>as<space>far<space>as<space>this<space>elective<space>treatment,<space>which<space>saved<space>her<space>brain,<space>saved<space>her<space>from<space>having<space>a<space>life<space>of,<space>of<space>severe<space>brain<space>damage.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4865.68 4.00 And<space>allows<space>her<space>to<space>live<space>a<space>normal<space>life<space>and-<space>-<space>Allow<space>her<space>to<space>live.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4869.68 6.32 Yeah,<space>it<space>was<space>an<space>elective<space>treatment<space>because<space>it<space>was<space>very<space>experimental<space>and<space>just<space>a<space>clinical<space>trials.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4876.00 2.64 And<space>it's<space>not<space>an<space>automatic,<space>it's<space>something<space>you<space>have<space>to<space>consent<space>to.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4878.80 6.96 We<space>had<space>started<space>talking<space>to<space>our<space>lawyer<space>about<space>adopting<space>Ruby,<space>since<space>before<space>she<space>was<space>born,<space>but<space>you<space>can't<space>adopt<space>an<space>unborn<space>child.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4885.84 3.92 So<space>I<space>had<space>no<space>legal<space>rights<space>to<space>Ruby's<space>medical<space>care.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4889.76 8.64 And<space>so<space>they<space>were<space>communicating<space>back<space>and<space>forth<space>with<space>Rebecca's<space>doctor<space>at<space>the<space>hospital<space>and<space>she<space>hadn't<space>woken<space>up<space>yet.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4898.40 3.28 And<space>her<space>doctor<space>knew<space>the<space>severity<space>of<space>it.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4901.68 7.12 And<space>her<space>doctor<space>literally<space>ran<space>her<space>over<space>to<space>children's<space>to<space>sign<space>the<space>papers<space>as<space>soon<space>as<space>she<space>woke<space>up.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4908.80 1.04 And<space>it<space>was<space>within<space>minutes.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4909.84 8.80 If<space>she'd<space>been<space>a<space>few<space>minutes<space>later,<space>we<space>would<space>not<space>have<space>been<space>able<space>to<space>get<space>her<space>this<space>treatment<space>because<space>there's<space>a<space>small<space>window<space>of<space>opportunity-<space>-<space>If<space>I<space>hadn't<space>woken<space>up<space>in<space>time.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4918.64 7.60 You<space>know,<space>she<space>wouldn't<space>have<space>gotten<space>this<space>therapy<space>and<space>that<space>means<space>she<space>probably<space>could<space>have<space>died<space>-<space>because<space>the<space>seizures-<space>-<space>or<space>she<space>probably<space>would've<space>been<space>severely<space>brain<space>damaged.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4926.32 3.04 Are<space>you<space>going<space>to<space>do<space>some<space>of<space>the<space>puzzle<space>with<space>me?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4929.36 3.04 We<space>love<space>our<space>daughter<space>and<space>we<space>love<space>each<space>other.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4932.40 3.36 And<space>we've<space>been<space>together<space>for<space>almost<space>10<space>years<space>now.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4935.84 4.08 And<space>it's<space>now<space>we're,<space>we're<space>a<space>family.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4939.92 1.68 We're<space>not<space>any<space>different.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4942.08 12.32 Project<space>515<space>started<space>with<space>really<space>a<space>broad<space>base-<space>Give<space>you<space>a<space>break<space>from<space>the<space>promotional<space>piece<space>there.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4954.40 4.48 Thank<space>you<space>for<space>that.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4959.52 3.04 So<space>that,<space>that's<space>another<space>type<space>of<space>story.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4962.64 3.44 Folks<space>may<space>have<space>actually<space>seen<space>Carrie<space>and<space>Rebecca<space>on<space>the<space>Ellen<space>show.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4966.08 2.64 They<space>were<space>on<space>that<space>show<space>a<space>few<space>months<space>ago.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4968.80 5.12 They<space>actually<space>are<space>a<space>Minnesota<space>couple<space>and<space>after<space>that<space>story<space>became<space>public.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 4974.56 30.72 I<space>think<space>it's<space>sort<space>of,<space>a<space>story<space>that<space>really<space>shows<space>how<space>in<space>the<space>moment<space>and<space>quickly<space>these<space>kinds<space>of<space>laws<space>can<space>impact<space>a<space>family<space>where<space>you<space>see<space>an<space>instance<space>where<space>the<space>child<space>is<space>at<space>risk<space>of<space>dying,<space>the<space>birth<space>mother<space>is<space>unconscious<space>and<space>the<space>Partner<space>who<space>is<space>intended<space>to<space>be<space>the<space>mother<space>is<space>not<space>able<space>to<space>make<space>decisions<space>for<space>that<space>child<space>and<space>places<space>that<space>child's<space>life<space>at<space>risk.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5005.44 4.16 These<space>are<space>the<space>kinds<space>of<space>stories<space>that<space>we<space>see<space>in<space>Minnesota<space>really,<space>every<space>day.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5009.76 18.64 So<space>I'm<space>actually<space>going<space>to<space>wrap<space>up<space>here,<space>but<space>I<space>think<space>you<space>get<space>a<space>feel<space>at<space>this<space>point<space>for<space>the<space>kinds<space>of<space>laws<space>that<space>we<space>have<space>in<space>Minnesota<space>right<space>now<space>that<space>impact<space>married<space>couples<space>in<space>a<space>very,<space>very<space>different<space>way<space>than<space>they<space>impact<space>same-sex<space>couples.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5028.56 3.52 515<space>Of<space>those<space>laws<space>in<space>Minnesota<space>right<space>now.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5032.64 21.60 This<space>amendment<space>is<space>something<space>that<space>doesn't<space>change<space>those<space>515<space>laws,<space>but<space>that's<space>creating<space>a<space>premise<space>for<space>those<space>families<space>to<space>never<space>be<space>able<space>to<space>achieve<space>the<space>full<space>equality<space>through<space>being<space>able<space>to<space>achieve<space>those<space>same<space>rights,<space>responsibilities,<space>and<space>obligations.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5054.48 18.08 So<space>if<space>it's<space>not<space>fair,<space>there's<space>provision<space>up<space>here<space>for<space>you<space>and<space>I'd<space>be<space>glad<space>to<space>take<space>some<space>questions.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5079.44 4.24 Does<space>anyone<space>have<space>questions?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5083.68 5.20 They've<space>been<space>together<space>for<space>over<space>30<space>years<space>and<space>Tom<space>died<space>last<space>year.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5089.20 2.96 And<space>they<space>thought<space>that<space>they<space>had<space>everything<space>covered.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5092.24 17.36 They<space>had<space>gone<space>to<space>a<space>lawyer<space>and<space>gotten<space>all<space>kinds<space>of<space>powers<space>of<space>attorney<space>contracts,<space>and<space>all<space>kinds<space>of<space>things<space>set<space>up<space>that<space>they<space>thought<space>would<space>cover<space>them<space>because<space>they<space>knew<space>Tom<space>was<space>ill<space>and<space>they<space>knew<space>his<space>time<space>was<space>short,<space>but<space>Scott<space>was<space>left<space>with<space>nothing.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5109.84 4.24 He<space>had<space>no<space>rights,<space>as<space>it<space>turned<space>out,<space>after<space>Tom<space>died.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5114.16 9.68 And<space>the<space>issues<space>of<space>property<space>issues<space>of<space>like<space>even<space>the<space>car<space>that<space>was<space>in<space>Tom's<space>name,<space>Scott<space>couldn't<space>sell<space>it<space>because<space>he<space>couldn't<space>sign<space>the<space>title.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5123.84 16.24 So<space>I'm<space>wondering<space>if<space>in<space>reality,<space>is<space>there<space>anything<space>short<space>of<space>changing<space>the<space>statutes<space>that<space>gay<space>couples<space>can<space>do,<space>same-sex<space>couples<space>can<space>do<space>to<space>address<space>these<space>inequalities,<space>if<space>they<space>have<space>a<space>sense<space>that<space>they<space>may<space>be<space>in<space>a<space>situation<space>like<space>that?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5141.12 1.44 Great,<space>thanks<space>for<space>that<space>question.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5142.64 12.64 This<space>is<space>something<space>actually<space>that<space>comes<space>up<space>quite<space>a<space>lot<space>is<space>can't<space>we<space>just<space>impact<space>these<space>kinds<space>of<space>inequities<space>through<space>some<space>kind<space>of<space>legal<space>contract<space>that<space>you<space>could<space>go<space>to<space>a<space>lawyer<space>and<space>draft<space>up<space>and<space>therefore<space>protect<space>your<space>family.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5155.28 4.96 And<space>the<space>reality<space>is<space>that,<space>there<space>are<space>some<space>things<space>that<space>you<space>can<space>affect<space>in<space>that<space>way.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5160.32 2.80 And<space>many,<space>many<space>more<space>things<space>that<space>you<space>can't.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5163.44 8.00 The<space>reality<space>also<space>is<space>that<space>some<space>families<space>can<space>afford<space>to<space>go<space>to<space>a<space>lawyer<space>and<space>spend<space>thousands<space>of<space>dollars<space>to<space>draft<space>up<space>that<space>kind<space>of<space>legal<space>paperwork.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5171.44 4.32 And<space>a<space>lot<space>of<space>families<space>aren't<space>able<space>to<space>even<space>afford<space>that<space>even<space>if<space>it<space>were<space>available.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5175.76 6.16 So<space>the<space>reality<space>is<space>that<space>there<space>are,<space>there<space>are<space>some<space>things<space>that<space>can<space>be<space>impacted<space>that<space>way,<space>and<space>it<space>just<space>depends.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5181.92 4.32 Some<space>of<space>those<space>things<space>end<space>up<space>helping<space>out<space>those<space>families.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5186.24 23.12 And<space>then<space>sometimes<space>there<space>are<space>families<space>that<space>experience<space>a<space>devastating<space>loss,<space>where<space>that<space>wasn't<space>able<space>to<space>be<space>impacted.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5210.64 2.72 Other<space>questions?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5214.00 5.84 -<space>Is<space>there,<space>more<space>about<space>the<space>question?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5221.04 5.20 -<space>I<space>think<space>it<space>is.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5226.24 1.76 It's<space>an<space>interesting<space>question.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5228.88 12.56 I<space>think<space>there<space>have<space>been<space>these<space>progressions<space>throughout<space>history<space>where<space>you<space>see<space>some<space>differentiation<space>made<space>between<space>certain<space>kinds<space>of<space>families<space>and<space>other<space>kinds<space>of<space>families,<space>certain<space>kinds<space>of<space>people,<space>and<space>other<space>kinds<space>of<space>people.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5241.76 8.56 This<space>movement<space>towards<space>equality<space>for,<space>for<space>LGBT<space>people,<space>and<space>same-sex<space>couples<space>is<space>frankly,<space>a<space>fairly<space>new<space>movement.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5250.48 14.80 But<space>I<space>think<space>that<space>it<space>is<space>a<space>reference<space>that<space>is<space>sometimes<space>made<space>is<space>that<space>this<space>was<space>a<space>learning<space>that<space>our<space>country<space>went<space>through<space>at<space>one<space>point<space>where<space>we<space>felt<space>that<space>it<space>was<space>appropriate<space>to<space>treat<space>Caucasians<space>differently<space>than<space>we<space>treated<space>people<space>of<space>color<space>and<space>had<space>laws<space>that<space>reflected<space>that.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5265.28 2.48 And<space>ultimately<space>those<space>laws<space>were<space>changed.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5267.92 7.20 And<space>so<space>I<space>think<space>that<space>that<space>is<space>the<space>direction<space>that<space>organizations<space>like<space>mine<space>expect<space>the<space>state<space>to<space>have<space>moved<space>towards.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5276.88 2.96 One<space>more<space>question,<space>identify<space>yourself<space>by<space>your<space>first<space>name.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5280.40 12.16 Hi<space>I'm<space>Tyler,<space>I<space>was<space>wondering<space>is<space>there<space>a<space>progression<space>in<space>how,<space>not<space>only<space>in<space>high<space>school<space>but<space>they're<space>over<space>in<space>district<space>11<space>a<space>couple<space>of<space>years<space>ago,<space>there's<space>a<space>bunch<space>of<space>kids<space>committing<space>suicide<space>because<space>of<space>bullying.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5292.80 9.52 Is<space>there<space>a<space>progression<space>in<space>how<space>much<space>understanding<space>of<space>the<space>LGBT<space>there<space>is?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5303.04 0.80 I<space>think.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5304.08 16.08 So,<space>I<space>think<space>what<space>Tyler's<space>reflecting<space>on<space>is,<space>is<space>really<space>a<space>devastating<space>impact<space>of<space>discrimination<space>and<space>bullying<space>that,<space>that<space>we<space>saw<space>very,<space>very<space>clearly<space>in<space>the<space>Inoca<space>Hennepin<space>school<space>district,<space>to<space>much<space>national<space>and<space>of<space>course,<space>local<space>attention<space>as<space>well.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5321.28 10.00 The<space>direction<space>that<space>the<space>state<space>has<space>started<space>to<space>move<space>in,<space>is<space>reflecting<space>on<space>how<space>to<space>impact<space>that<space>level<space>of<space>bullying<space>at<space>the<space>state<space>level<space>through<space>legislation.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5331.44 6.16 The<space>governor<space>had<space>appointed<space>a<space>task<space>force<space>to<space>really<space>study<space>the<space>issue<space>of<space>bullying<space>in<space>Minnesota.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5337.60 5.28 I<space>believe<space>that<space>taskforce<space>just<space>ended<space>in<space>the<space>summer<space>and<space>had<space>recommendations<space>that<space>were<space>issued.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5343.20 13.52 There<space>has<space>been<space>legislation<space>that<space>has<space>been<space>introduced<space>several<space>years<space>in<space>a<space>row,<space>I<space>believe,<space>that<space>would<space>really<space>create<space>some<space>stronger<space>guidelines<space>for<space>schools<space>around<space>what<space>is<space>allowed<space>and<space>what's<space>not.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5356.80 7.04 We<space>do,<space>obviously<space>in<space>Minnesota<space>have<space>laws<space>that<space>should<space>protect<space>youth<space>from<space>bullying.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5363.92 12.48 Those<space>laws<space>are<space>not<space>what's<space>called<space>enumerated,<space>which<space>means<space>that<space>it's<space>sort<space>of<space>a<space>blanket<space>law,<space>but<space>it<space>doesn't<space>specify<space>certain<space>kinds<space>of<space>populations<space>that<space>research<space>really<space>shows,<space>could<space>use<space>some<space>extra<space>protection.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5376.40 4.16 And<space>that<space>that<space>enumeration<space>does<space>help<space>to<space>protect<space>children<space>in<space>that<space>way.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5380.56 3.68 So<space>that<space>is<space>something<space>that<space>frankly<space>I<space>would<space>expect<space>to<space>see<space>at<space>the<space>legislature.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5384.32 6.40 I<space>know<space>that<space>that<space>has<space>been<space>an<space>active<space>coalition,<space>that<space>safe<space>schools<space>for<space>all<space>coalition<space>has<space>been<space>an<space>active<space>coalition<space>for<space>a<space>number<space>of<space>years.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5390.72 5.12 And<space>the<space>goal<space>is<space>to<space>pass<space>legislation<space>that<space>will<space>protect<space>kids<space>in<space>a<space>stronger<space>way.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5396.80 7.52 We'll<space>take<space>one<space>more<space>question,<space>and<space>then<space>others<space>that<space>have<space>questions,<space>please<space>save<space>it<space>for<space>the<space>end<space>of<space>this<space>evening.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5404.48 1.76 Hello,<space>my<space>name<space>is<space>Shaun.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5406.24 15.76 I<space>have<space>a<space>question,<space>so,<space>well,<space>first<space>of<space>all<space>if<space>you<space>could<space>define<space>this<space>a<space>little<space>bit<space>more,<space>So<space>we<space>could<space>understand<space>what<space>this<space>means<space>as<space>a<space>change,<space>in<space>terms<space>of<space>the<space>marriage<space>act.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5422.64 4.80 Well,<space>first<space>of<space>all<space>in<space>terms<space>of<space>a<space>definition,<space>I'm<space>not<space>sure<space>that<space>I<space>can<space>give<space>you<space>a<space>definition.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5427.52 9.28 There<space>are,<space>I<space>think,<space>as<space>John<space>reflected<space>on<space>a<space>number<space>of<space>states<space>in<space>the<space>country<space>that<space>have<space>enacted<space>civil<space>union<space>legislation,<space>it<space>looks<space>different<space>in<space>different<space>states.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5437.52 4.80 States<space>also<space>have<space>different<space>kinds<space>of<space>domestic<space>partner<space>benefits<space>that<space>are<space>in<space>place.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5442.56 11.20 Two<space>states<space>in<space>the<space>country<space>has<space>something<space>called<space>reciprocal<space>beneficiaries,<space>which<space>is<space>a<space>different<space>kind<space>of<space>policy<space>that<space>impacts<space>same-sex<space>couples<space>as<space>well<space>as<space>a<space>broader<space>relationships.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5454.16 4.96 It<space>really,<space>so<space>really<space>depends,<space>what<space>a<space>state<space>has<space>decided<space>to<space>put<space>forward.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5459.20 9.04 What<space>we<space>have<space>seen<space>in<space>states<space>is<space>that<space>there<space>are<space>protections<space>that<space>can<space>be<space>provided<space>through<space>these<space>kinds<space>of<space>domestic<space>partner<space>benefits.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5468.24 4.16 And,<space>you<space>know,<space>some<space>states<space>have<space>broader<space>protection,<space>some<space>have<space>more<space>narrow<space>protections.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5472.40 6.56 They<space>could<space>all<space>be<space>called<space>civil<space>unions,<space>but<space>it<space>really<space>depends<space>what<space>the<space>legislature<space>has<space>put<space>inside<space>of<space>that<space>legislation.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5479.12 20.08 What<space>we've<space>seen<space>in<space>states<space>that<space>have<space>had<space>civil<space>unions<space>or<space>domestic<space>partner<space>type<space>legislation<space>enacted<space>is<space>that<space>over<space>time<space>they<space>find<space>that<space>frankly,<space>it<space>just<space>doesn't<space>work<space>very<space>well<space>because<space>in<space>our<space>society,<space>the<space>way<space>that<space>we<space>identify<space>family<space>structures<space>and<space>legal<space>family<space>units<space>is<space>through<space>marriage.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5499.20 9.28 And<space>so<space>in<space>these<space>examples<space>for<space>that,<space>you<space>saw<space>on<space>the<space>slides,<space>if<space>you<space>were<space>to<space>go<space>to<space>a<space>hospital<space>and<space>say,<space>I<space>need<space>to<space>see<space>Bob.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5508.56 1.92 And<space>they<space>were<space>to<space>say,<space>well,<space>who<space>are<space>you?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5510.48 6.40 And<space>you<space>would<space>say,<space>well,<space>I'm<space>the<space>civil<space>union-er,<space>they<space>might<space>not<space>really<space>know<space>what<space>that<space>means.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5516.96 3.84 If<space>you<space>were<space>to<space>say,<space>I'm<space>the<space>husband,<space>everybody<space>knows<space>what<space>that<space>means.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5520.80 16.24 And<space>so<space>some<space>of<space>what<space>we<space>find<space>in<space>states<space>is<space>that<space>even<space>though<space>there<space>is<space>protections<space>that<space>are<space>put<space>in<space>place<space>through<space>these<space>kinds<space>of<space>mechanisms<space>and<space>they<space>are<space>important<space>without<space>question,<space>because<space>in<space>Minnesota<space>same-sex<space>couples<space>have<space>absolutely<space>no<space>protections<space>at<space>all,<space>not<space>one.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5537.20 21.68 So<space>not<space>to<space>deny<space>at<space>all<space>that<space>these<space>kinds<space>of<space>protections<space>can<space>be<space>put<space>in<space>place<space>in<space>some<space>ways,<space>but<space>it<space>does<space>seem<space>that<space>the<space>experience<space>in<space>states<space>has<space>been<space>that<space>that<space>has<space>not<space>worked<space>quite<space>well<space>enough<space>and<space>that<space>most<space>of<space>those<space>states<space>start<space>to<space>move<space>towards<space>enacting<space>a<space>broader<space>definition<space>through<space>marriage.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5563.60 1.68 Our<space>last<space>speaker<space>is<space>Pastor<space>Grant<space>Stevenson.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5565.28 1.12 Good<space>evening.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5566.72 10.72 I<space>really<space>am<space>grateful<space>for<space>your<space>persistence<space>and<space>staying<space>until<space>the<space>last<space>speaker<space>gets<space>up<space>and<space>talks.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5577.52 1.84 And<space>I<space>have<space>some,<space>I<space>have<space>some<space>good<space>news.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5579.36 6.48 I<space>think<space>I<space>have<space>a<space>theory<space>as<space>to<space>why<space>I<space>might<space>be<space>able<space>to<space>be<space>brief<space>or<space>at<space>least<space>try.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5586.96 4.48 We<space>have<space>heard<space>speakers<space>tonight<space>from<space>various,<space>from<space>various<space>fields.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5592.00 3.60 And<space>as<space>they<space>have<space>been<space>speaking-<space>I'm<space>a<space>Pastor.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5595.76 7.12 I'm<space>a<space>Lutheran<space>Pastor,<space>I<space>would<space>guess<space>because<space>we're<space>in<space>Roseville<space>and<space>Maplewood<space>that<space>there<space>are<space>other<space>Lutherans<space>in<space>the<space>room.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5602.88 3.04 But<space>I<space>think<space>I<space>could<space>take<space>a<space>pretty<space>good<space>guess<space>that<space>that's<space>not<space>true<space>for<space>everybody.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5606.16 4.08 I<space>think<space>I<space>could<space>take<space>a<space>pretty<space>good<space>guess<space>that<space>there<space>may<space>be<space>Catholics<space>in<space>the<space>room.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5610.48 7.36 I<space>think<space>I<space>could<space>take<space>a<space>pretty<space>good<space>guess<space>that<space>there<space>may<space>be<space>people<space>who<space>don't<space>identify<space>with<space>a<space>religious<space>faith<space>in<space>the<space>room.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5618.08 5.04 I<space>think,<space>I'm<space>pretty<space>well,<space>maybe<space>right.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5623.60 1.36 About<space>all<space>of<space>those<space>things.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5624.96 9.92 And<space>we've<space>been<space>listening<space>to<space>other<space>speakers<space>and<space>what,<space>here's<space>what<space>I've<space>noticed,<space>although<space>a<space>professor<space>also<space>might<space>disagree<space>with<space>this,<space>but<space>bear<space>with<space>me<space>for<space>a<space>minute.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5635.12 5.52 In<space>the<space>area<space>of<space>law,<space>everyone<space>knows<space>that<space>there<space>are<space>disagreements,<space>right?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5640.80 1.44 That's<space>why<space>we<space>have<space>courts.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5642.48 8.96 There<space>are<space>disagreements,<space>but<space>there<space>is<space>something<space>of<space>a<space>consensus<space>as<space>to<space>how<space>to<space>approach<space>a<space>problem.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5651.68 6.56 There's<space>something<space>of<space>a<space>consensus<space>as<space>to<space>what<space>makes<space>a<space>good<space>argument<space>or<space>a<space>bad<space>argument.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5658.48 3.36 And<space>when<space>that<space>consensus<space>breaks<space>down,<space>I<space>guess<space>we<space>have<space>juries.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5662.96 5.68 I'm<space>sure<space>that<space>I'm<space>just<space>being<space>horrifically<space>simplistic<space>in<space>my<space>explanation.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5669.52 12.08 In<space>science,<space>and<space>Dr.<space>Boysen<space>and<space>I'm<space>going<space>to-<space>you<space>may<space>have<space>the<space>agreement<space>or<space>disagree-<space>in<space>science<space>hard<space>sci-<space>what<space>they<space>refer<space>to<space>as<space>hard<space>science<space>sciences,<space>or<space>also<space>social<space>sciences.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5682.16 28.40 We<space>have<space>clearly<space>many,<space>many<space>disagreements,<space>but<space>we<space>have<space>something<space>of<space>a<space>consensus,<space>in<space>the<space>modern<space>world<space>about<space>methodology<space>and<space>where<space>we<space>have<space>breakdowns<space>in<space>our<space>understanding<space>of<space>methodology,<space>we<space>have<space>at<space>least<space>peer<space>reviews,<space>the<space>review<space>of<space>our<space>work<space>and<space>the<space>review<space>of<space>our<space>outcomes<space>and<space>the<space>review<space>of<space>our<space>conclusions<space>by<space>peers.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5710.64 0.64 That's<space>how?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5711.44 0.56 am<space>I<space>right?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5712.08 1.68 That's<space>how<space>it<space>works.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5714.80 3.28 In<space>my<space>field,<space>in<space>the<space>field<space>of<space>religion.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5718.24 4.00 I<space>think<space>it<space>is<space>crystal<space>clear<space>we<space>have<space>disagreements.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5722.80 21.76 But<space>in<space>2012,<space>we<space>have<space>no<space>semblance<space>of<space>a<space>consensus<space>on<space>methodologies,<space>or<space>peer<space>reviews,<space>or<space>even<space>how<space>to<space>read<space>the<space>basic<space>book<space>that<space>many<space>of<space>us<space>claim<space>holds<space>truth.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5744.96 3.84 Zero<space>consensus,<space>fail-<space>zero's<space>two<space>strong.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5749.12 3.76 Very,<space>very<space>little<space>consensus.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5753.36 12.80 So<space>part<space>of<space>what<space>makes<space>me<space>sympathetic<space>to<space>those<space>who<space>are<space>having-<space>I<space>told<space>you,<space>John,<space>I<space>would<space>try<space>to<space>present<space>as<space>much<space>of<space>both<space>sides<space>as<space>I<space>could.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5766.88 9.36 Part<space>of<space>what<space>makes<space>me<space>sympathetic<space>to<space>those<space>who<space>are<space>having<space>a<space>strong<space>religious<space>reaction<space>to<space>the<space>idea<space>of<space>gay<space>and<space>lesbian<space>people<space>being<space>married.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5776.72 4.32 Part<space>of<space>what<space>makes<space>me<space>sympathetic<space>is<space>that<space>I<space>am<space>aware<space>that<space>it's<space>just<space>true.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5781.12 1.84 It's<space>true<space>in<space>my<space>own<space>family.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5783.20 8.80 It's<space>just<space>true<space>that<space>when<space>we<space>stand<space>and<space>speak<space>of<space>religious<space>truth,<space>we<space>just<space>don't<space>all<space>stand<space>in<space>the<space>same<space>place.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5793.68 1.84 Now<space>you<space>might<space>be<space>true.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5795.84 20.40 A<space>really<space>good<space>historian<space>could<space>tell<space>you<space>that<space>there<space>were<space>times-<space>That<space>there's<space>never<space>been<space>a<space>time<space>when<space>we<space>all<space>stood<space>in<space>the<space>same<space>place,<space>but<space>it<space>is-<space>There<space>have<space>at<space>least<space>been<space>times<space>when<space>there<space>were<space>people<space>who<space>could<space>impose<space>a<space>unification<space>of<space>truth.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5816.56 8.40 I<space>think<space>the<space>middle-ages<space>or<space>something<space>like<space>that,<space>that's<space>just<space>not<space>true<space>in<space>America.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5825.12 1.68 And<space>so<space>we<space>are<space>left.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5827.20 18.64 We<space>are<space>left<space>in<space>America,<space>to<space>probably<space>live<space>out<space>the<space>words<space>of<space>the<space>apostle<space>Paul,<space>more<space>deeply<space>and<space>more<space>profoundly<space>than<space>any<space>generation<space>in<space>the<space>history-<space>in<space>any<space>generation<space>that<space>has<space>lived<space>since<space>he<space>spoke<space>them,<space>work<space>out<space>your<space>salvation,<space>by<space>the<space>way,<space>that's<space>a<space>nice<space>Greek<space>word<space>that<space>really<space>means<space>healing.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5846.64 4.88 Work<space>out<space>your<space>salvation<space>or<space>work<space>out<space>your<space>healing<space>with<space>fear<space>and<space>trembling.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5852.48 5.28 We're<space>not<space>exactly<space>on<space>our<space>own,<space>but<space>there<space>is<space>no<space>dominant<space>force.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5858.08 4.00 There<space>is<space>no<space>standard<space>bearer<space>in<space>the<space>area<space>of<space>religion.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5862.16 9.68 And<space>so<space>you'll<space>see<space>religions<space>flourishing<space>and<space>we<space>indeed<space>have<space>to<space>grasp<space>at<space>what<space>we<space>find<space>is<space>most<space>basic<space>and<space>most<space>true<space>for<space>us.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5872.16 2.00 For<space>me,<space>I<space>would<space>name<space>as<space>one<space>of<space>those<space>things.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5874.40 6.80 What<space>we<space>often<space>refer<space>to<space>as<space>the<space>golden<space>rule<space>that<space>we<space>treat<space>our<space>neighbors<space>as<space>we<space>ourselves<space>would<space>wish<space>to<space>be<space>treated.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5881.28 8.88 It<space>seems<space>to<space>be<space>a<space>very<space>standard<space>thing<space>that<space>runs<space>true<space>across<space>so<space>many<space>different<space>religions.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5891.44 19.84 The<space>problem<space>with<space>the<space>religious<space>discussion,<space>is<space>when<space>one<space>group<space>of<space>people<space>want<space>to<space>claim<space>a<space>kind<space>of<space>unified<space>authority<space>that<space>just<space>doesn't<space>exist<space>in<space>modern<space>America.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5911.44 6.88 And<space>I,<space>for<space>one,<space>am<space>not<space>unhappy<space>about<space>that,<space>that<space>it<space>doesn't<space>exist.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5919.04 8.24 I<space>think<space>we're<space>doing<space>quite<space>well,<space>exploring<space>our<space>spirituality,<space>exploring<space>our<space>faith,<space>exploring<space>our<space>religion.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5927.92 11.52 It<space>does<space>seem<space>to<space>me<space>though,<space>that<space>this<space>debate<space>we're<space>having<space>in<space>the<space>state<space>of<space>Minnesota<space>is<space>steeped<space>in<space>religious<space>disagreement.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5939.68 1.68 As<space>much<space>as<space>any<space>other<space>kind.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5941.76 9.20 Steeped<space>in<space>religious<space>disagreement,<space>as<space>much<space>as<space>any,<space>as<space>much<space>as<space>any<space>other<space>kind<space>of<space>disagreement.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5951.52 5.76 I<space>have<space>been<space>working,<space>myself,<space>these<space>last<space>months<space>as<space>I<space>work<space>on<space>the<space>campaign.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5957.36 3.36 John<space>mentioned,<space>I'm<space>not<space>an<space>unbiased<space>person<space>in<space>the<space>room.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5961.04 2.40 I<space>am<space>the<space>faith<space>director<space>for<space>Minnesotans<space>United.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5963.44 4.64 That's<space>the<space>campaign<space>urging<space>Minnesotans<space>to<space>vote<space>no<space>on<space>this.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5968.08 6.48 And<space>I<space>have<space>been<space>working<space>myself<space>with,<space>two<space>concepts<space>that<space>I<space>find<space>personally<space>very<space>compelling.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5974.56 2.32 And<space>one<space>is<space>personal.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5977.36 2.72 The<space>concept<space>of<space>personal<space>freedom.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5980.56 10.96 If<space>any<space>generation<space>has<space>been<space>aware<space>of<space>the<space>obligations<space>and<space>the<space>responsibilities<space>that<space>come,<space>that<space>are<space>ours<space>in<space>2012,<space>it<space>is<space>in<space>the<space>area<space>of<space>personal<space>freedom.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5991.60 7.76 We<space>have<space>an<space>enormous<space>amount<space>of<space>freedom<space>to<space>decide<space>how<space>we<space>will<space>spend<space>our<space>lives<space>and<space>how<space>we<space>will<space>live<space>them<space>and<space>who<space>we<space>will<space>live<space>them<space>with.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 5999.36 2.64 And<space>I<space>think<space>as<space>Americans,<space>we<space>celebrate<space>that.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6002.40 5.12 I<space>think,<space>I<space>think<space>as<space>Americans,<space>we<space>yearn<space>for<space>that<space>and<space>we<space>desire<space>more<space>of<space>that.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6007.60 4.80 And<space>we<space>don't<space>like<space>it<space>when<space>someone<space>else<space>tells<space>us<space>how<space>we<space>should<space>or<space>shouldn't<space>live.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6012.48 7.76 But<space>then<space>the<space>question<space>that<space>grabs<space>my<space>attention<space>even<space>more<space>than<space>that<space>is<space>the<space>question<space>of<space>religious<space>freedom.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6021.20 16.88 How<space>is<space>it<space>in<space>2012<space>that<space>we<space>could<space>still<space>be<space>having<space>a<space>conversation<space>about<space>which<space>theology<space>will<space>carry<space>the<space>day<space>in<space>the<space>state<space>of<space>Minnesota.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6038.64 9.36 I<space>saw<space>on<space>the<space>agenda,<space>the<space>question<space>that<space>I<space>was<space>supposed<space>to<space>answer<space>was<space>can<space>the<space>church<space>reconcile<space>gay<space>marriage?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6049.20 5.52 Yes,<space>it<space>already<space>has,<space>right?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6054.80 1.92 There<space>are<space>all<space>kinds<space>of<space>churches.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6057.04 1.68 There<space>are<space>all<space>kinds<space>of<space>churches.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6058.72 8.08 There<space>are<space>all<space>kinds<space>of<space>synagogues<space>that<space>right<space>now<space>bless<space>and<space>celebrate<space>the<space>unions<space>of<space>same-sex<space>couples.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6067.04 1.68 It<space>already<space>has.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6069.12 4.08 We<space>can't<space>talk<space>about<space>it<space>as<space>if<space>it's<space>a<space>hypothetical<space>thing<space>that<space>someday<space>might<space>happen.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6073.44 22.16 It's<space>true<space>now,<space>so<space>the<space>question<space>is,<space>will<space>this,<space>in<space>my<space>mind,<space>will<space>the<space>state<space>of<space>Minnesota<space>endorse<space>all<space>of<space>the<space>unions<space>that<space>are<space>churches<space>and<space>synagogues<space>and<space>places<space>of<space>worship,<space>bless<space>and<space>celebrate,<space>or<space>will<space>it<space>pick<space>and<space>choose?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6096.00 4.16 I<space>think<space>that's<space>why<space>we're<space>having<space>this<space>debate<space>in<space>the<space>state<space>of<space>Minnesota.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6100.16 5.36 And<space>I<space>think<space>it's<space>what<space>this<space>amendment<space>is<space>really<space>about.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6106.32 8.24 I<space>work<space>with<space>a<space>couple<space>and<space>I'm<space>just<space>going<space>to<space>close-<space>I'm<space>going<space>to<space>close<space>with<space>this<space>'cause<space>I'd<space>really<space>like<space>to<space>deal<space>with<space>questions.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6115.36 5.76 But<space>before<space>I<space>do<space>that,<space>let<space>me<space>just<space>do<space>something<space>that<space>I<space>forgot<space>when<space>I<space>said,<space>yes,<space>we<space>do.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6123.12 8.88 It's<space>not<space>a<space>few<space>religious<space>traditions<space>that<space>bless<space>and<space>affirm<space>and<space>celebrate<space>the<space>unions<space>of<space>same-sex<space>couples.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6132.16 5.20 My<space>own<space>church,<space>the<space>ELCA<space>Evangelical<space>Lutheran<space>church<space>in<space>America,<space>we're<space>divided<space>up<space>into<space>what<space>they<space>call<space>synods.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6137.36 1.52 There<space>are<space>six<space>of<space>them<space>synods.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6138.88 0.96 It<space>means<space>a<space>gathering.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6140.08 2.48 I<space>don't<space>know<space>why<space>we<space>can't<space>use<space>regular<space>English.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6143.60 17.76 There<space>are<space>six<space>of<space>them<space>in<space>the<space>state<space>of<space>Minnesota,<space>five<space>of<space>the<space>six<space>voted<space>this<space>year,<space>either<space>in-<space>either<space>at<space>the<space>end<space>of<space>may<space>or<space>in<space>the<space>beginning<space>of<space>June<space>as<space>synods<space>to<space>encourage<space>the<space>people<space>in<space>their<space>church,<space>Minnesotans,<space>to<space>vote<space>against<space>this<space>amendment.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6161.36 6.64 There<space>was<space>one<space>Senate<space>in<space>Southwest<space>Minnesota<space>that<space>voted<space>to<space>not<space>take<space>a<space>vote<space>on,<space>on<space>the<space>issue.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6168.08 22.00 The<space>Episcopalian<space>church,<space>the<space>Presbyterian<space>church,<space>the<space>United<space>church<space>of<space>Christ,<space>Universalist<space>church,<space>Unitarian<space>church,<space>the<space>Methodist<space>church<space>and<space>the<space>rabbinical<space>association,<space>all<space>of<space>the<space>rabbis<space>in<space>the<space>rabbinical<space>association<space>of<space>Minnesota<space>all<space>have<space>been<space>asking<space>their<space>congregants<space>to<space>vote<space>against<space>the<space>amendment.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6190.16 11.92 So<space>I<space>say<space>that<space>not<space>to<space>convince<space>you<space>that<space>you<space>should<space>vote<space>against<space>it,<space>but<space>to<space>lift<space>up<space>the<space>obvious<space>that<space>the<space>faith<space>community<space>is<space>at<space>least<space>very<space>divided<space>on<space>this.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6202.16 3.12 So<space>the<space>division<space>already<space>exists.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6205.44 7.36 Each<space>day<space>when<space>I<space>go<space>to<space>work<space>at<space>Minnesotans<space>United,<space>I<space>sit<space>next<space>to<space>Olbie,<space>Obadiah.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6212.80 5.84 But<space>we<space>call<space>him<space>Olbie<space>and<space>Javin,<space>who<space>is<space>his<space>husband.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6220.24 11.84 They<space>were<space>married<space>while<space>they<space>were<space>both<space>attending<space>seminary<space>at<space>Yale,<space>which<space>I<space>think<space>is<space>a<space>little<space>uppity,<space>but<space>these<space>are<space>really<space>good<space>people.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6232.64 3.52 They<space>were<space>married<space>at<space>the<space>chapel<space>in<space>Yale,<space>it<space>was<space>a<space>legal.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6236.48 1.68 It<space>was<space>a<space>legal<space>marriage.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6238.96 2.00 They<space>now<space>live<space>and<space>work<space>here.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6241.60 6.88 Javin<space>works<space>for<space>Outfront,<space>Minnesota,<space>and<space>is<space>hoping<space>soon<space>to<space>have<space>a<space>call<space>into<space>the<space>Lutheran<space>ministry.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6248.64 5.92 And<space>Olbie<space>is<space>a<space>Pastor<space>as<space>we<space>speak<space>in<space>the<space>United<space>church<space>of<space>Christ.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6254.56 23.12 So<space>it's<space>a<space>mixed<space>marriage,<space>but<space>sitting<space>next<space>to<space>them<space>every<space>day<space>at<space>work<space>is<space>such<space>a<space>dissonance<space>to<space>me,<space>that<space>the<space>two<space>of<space>them,<space>I've<space>seen<space>their<space>wedding<space>pictures,<space>that<space>the<space>two<space>of<space>them<space>are<space>considered<space>married<space>in<space>one<space>part<space>of<space>this<space>country<space>and<space>not<space>married<space>here.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6277.76 3.52 What<space>does<space>that<space>say<space>about<space>our<space>laws<space>in<space>Minnesota?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6281.28 1.76 What<space>does<space>it<space>say<space>about<space>where<space>we've<space>come?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6283.12 4.00 Well,<space>we're<space>in<space>conversation,<space>we're<space>in<space>conversation<space>and<space>we're<space>not<space>done.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6287.20 1.28 We're<space>not<space>done<space>yet.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6288.96 5.12 Sometimes<space>I<space>encourage<space>people<space>to<space>vote<space>no,<space>just<space>because<space>we're<space>not<space>done.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6294.40 4.56 There's<space>just<space>lots<space>of<space>conversation<space>to<space>be<space>had.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6300.24 10.16 I'd<space>like<space>to<space>stop<space>there<space>because<space>to<space>go<space>on,<space>would<space>lead<space>me<space>down<space>the<space>path<space>of<space>doing<space>a<space>Bible<space>study.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6311.20 11.60 And<space>I've<space>already,<space>I<space>hope<space>I<space>convinced<space>you<space>that<space>if<space>I<space>were<space>to<space>do<space>that,<space>I<space>would<space>do<space>it<space>from<space>my<space>perspective,<space>a<space>Lutheran<space>trained<space>Pastor,<space>probably<space>a<space>bit<space>on<space>the<space>progressive<space>end<space>of<space>things.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6323.12 1.60 And<space>it<space>may<space>not<space>be<space>yours.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6324.88 7.44 So<space>we<space>have<space>to<space>be<space>in<space>conversation<space>with<space>one<space>another<space>about<space>how<space>we<space>read<space>these<space>books<space>and<space>how<space>we<space>understand<space>these<space>and<space>how<space>we<space>understand<space>these<space>truths.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6332.32 17.12 Thank<space>you.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6349.76 1.84 Questions<space>for<space>Pastor<space>Stevenson?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6351.60 1.28 Okay<space>Bob.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6352.96 9.68 Several<space>questions<space>Pastor,<space>first<space>of<space>all,<space>do<space>you<space>believe<space>the<space>Bible<space>is<space>the<space>revealed<space>word<space>of<space>God?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6363.60 3.36 I<space>believe-<space>this<space>is<space>the<space>kind<space>of<space>conversation<space>that<space>will<space>get<space>tricky.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6367.04 1.84 But<space>yes,<space>I<space>do.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6368.96 2.40 I<space>believe<space>that<space>that,<space>I<space>mean,<space>for<space>me,<space>that's<space>just<space>true.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6371.52 2.40 I<space>believe<space>that<space>the<space>Bible<space>is<space>the<space>revealed<space>word<space>of<space>God.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6373.92 2.32 And<space>I<space>believe<space>I<space>was<space>speaking<space>for<space>myself.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6377.44 4.08 And<space>I<space>believe<space>that<space>the<space>narrative<space>and<space>the<space>Bible<space>is<space>a<space>narrative<space>of<space>freedom<space>and<space>liberation.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6381.52 1.04 And<space>that<space>includes<space>me.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6382.64 2.32 And<space>I<space>think,<space>and<space>I<space>believe<space>that<space>it<space>includes<space>you.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6385.68 9.28 I'd<space>like<space>to<space>say<space>on<space>behalf<space>of<space>my<space>friend<space>Bob<space>here,<space>that's<space>the<space>first<space>time<space>I've<space>heard<space>an<space>answer<space>that<space>was<space>longer<space>than<space>Bob's<space>question.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6396.08 5.12 The<space>next<space>question<space>is,<space>do<space>you<space>believe<space>words<space>have<space>meanings?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6402.08 0.80 Clearly<space>they<space>do.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6402.96 2.80 I'm<space>answering<space>your<space>question.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6406.48 12.40 So<space>the<space>question<space>becomes,<space>how<space>do<space>you<space>negate<space>all<space>the<space>scriptures<space>in<space>the<space>Bible,<space>that<space>absolutely<space>say<space>two<space>things.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6419.04 9.52 One<space>that<space>homosexuality<space>is<space>an<space>upfront,<space>I'll<space>say<space>it<space>nicely<space>upfront<space>to<space>God.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6428.80 3.28 Why<space>say<space>it<space>nicely,<space>say<space>it<space>how<space>the<space>Bible<space>says<space>it.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6432.64 23.68 Abomination,<space>and<space>then<space>the<space>thing,<space>how<space>do<space>you<space>justify<space>and<space>debate<space>scriptures,<space>but<space>one<space>that<space>immediately<space>comes<space>to<space>mind<space>is<space>the<space>one<space>that's<space>usually<space>used<space>at<space>most<space>by<space>everybody,<space>a<space>man<space>shall<space>leave<space>his<space>mother<space>and<space>father,<space>mother<space>and<space>father,<space>not<space>two<space>mothers,<space>not<space>two<space>fathers<space>and<space>marry<space>his<space>wife<space>and<space>become<space>one.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6456.40 14.32 When<space>you<space>have<space>those<space>kinds<space>of<space>direct<space>usages<space>of<space>words<space>in<space>a<space>revealed<space>word<space>of<space>God,<space>how<space>do<space>you<space>see<space>a<space>Pastor<space>and<space>Pastor's<space>interpretation<space>by<space>humans?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6471.20 5.36 How<space>do<space>you<space>justify<space>saying<space>that<space>it's<space>open<space>for<space>interpretation?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6476.88 2.08 Clearly<space>it<space>is<space>open<space>for<space>interpretation.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6479.04 5.12 I<space>mean,<space>you've<space>made<space>an,<space>you've<space>made<space>an<space>interpretation<space>just<space>now<space>you<space>quoted<space>a<space>passage.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6484.24 9.20 For<space>example,<space>from<space>the<space>book<space>of<space>Genesis<space>that<space>I<space>would<space>read<space>as<space>a<space>passage<space>of<space>hope<space>and<space>a<space>passage<space>of<space>promise<space>and,<space>and<space>a<space>passage<space>of<space>love.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6493.60 3.60 A<space>man<space>shall<space>leave<space>his<space>mother<space>and<space>father<space>and<space>cling<space>to<space>his<space>wife.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6497.20 1.60 I<space>myself<space>have<space>done<space>exactly<space>that.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6499.12 4.72 I<space>don't<space>know<space>if<space>you're<space>married,<space>but<space>perhaps,<space>perhaps<space>you<space>have<space>done<space>it<space>as<space>well.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6503.92 8.00 And<space>I<space>believe<space>that<space>passage<space>reflects<space>one<space>of<space>the<space>deepest<space>truths<space>that<space>I<space>hold<space>about<space>my<space>faith,<space>which<space>is<space>that<space>God<space>created<space>us<space>for<space>relationship.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6512.00 2.40 And<space>God<space>created<space>us<space>for<space>community.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6514.56 9.28 The<space>truth<space>is<space>God<space>created<space>some<space>of<space>us<space>gay,<space>so<space>should<space>relationship<space>and<space>that<space>kind<space>of<space>community<space>and<space>that<space>kind<space>of<space>intimacy<space>be<space>denied?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6524.08 2.40 Someone<space>who's<space>gay<space>or<space>not.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6526.56 8.72 And<space>I<space>would<space>say<space>that<space>has,<space>I<space>don't<space>understand<space>how<space>that<space>could<space>be<space>from<space>a<space>perspective<space>of<space>a<space>loving<space>God.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6536.88 4.64 Could<space>I<space>take,<space>just<space>give<space>a<space>different<space>perspective<space>and<space>answer<space>to<space>Bob's<space>question.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6541.52 3.20 And<space>that<space>is<space>that<space>this<space>is<space>a<space>question<space>I<space>struggle<space>with<space>a<space>lot.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6546.16 3.76 I<space>do<space>take<space>the<space>Bible<space>to<space>be<space>the<space>authoritative<space>word<space>of<space>God.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6550.72 9.60 And<space>I<space>agree<space>that<space>homosexuality<space>is<space>described<space>as<space>a<space>sin<space>in<space>places<space>in<space>the<space>Bible,<space>but<space>here's<space>where<space>I<space>come<space>down<space>on<space>that.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6561.20 6.08 What<space>I<space>am<space>is<space>a<space>relatively<space>affluent<space>straight<space>white<space>guy<space>from<space>Adina.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6567.92 1.44 I<space>have<space>my<space>sins.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6569.68 1.92 That's<space>not<space>my<space>sin.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6572.24 5.12 If<space>I<space>were<space>gay,<space>I<space>would<space>struggle<space>with<space>that,<space>but<space>I'm<space>not.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6577.60 5.68 And<space>I<space>go<space>to<space>church<space>all<space>the<space>time,<space>surrounded<space>by<space>people<space>who<space>have<space>sins<space>that<space>are<space>very<space>different<space>than<space>mine.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6583.44 4.72 I<space>sit<space>in<space>church<space>next<space>to<space>someone<space>who<space>is<space>divorced<space>and<space>remarried.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6588.32 9.28 Now<space>that's<space>something<space>that<space>Christ<space>spoke<space>directly<space>about<space>in<space>a<space>way<space>he<space>didn't<space>speak<space>directly<space>about<space>homosexuality,<space>but<space>that<space>person<space>was<space>married<space>in<space>my<space>church.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6597.76 1.76 And<space>I've<space>come<space>to<space>accept<space>that.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6599.60 18.32 And<space>I<space>have<space>a<space>problem<space>with<space>differentiating<space>the<space>way<space>I<space>treat<space>that<space>person<space>from<space>the<space>way<space>I<space>different-<space>I<space>treat<space>a<space>gay<space>couple<space>because<space>if<space>I<space>was<space>to<space>treat<space>the<space>gay<space>couple<space>differently<space>than<space>that<space>remarried<space>person,<space>I<space>think<space>at<space>some<space>level,<space>I'd<space>have<space>to<space>admit<space>it<space>was<space>bigotry<space>within<space>me<space>that<space>was<space>coming<space>out.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6618.08 2.88 Because<space>Christ<space>was<space>very<space>clear<space>about<space>the<space>remarried<space>person.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6621.12 4.80 And<space>in<space>the<space>same<space>way<space>that<space>you're<space>saying<space>that<space>the<space>Bible<space>has<space>words,<space>those<space>words<space>have<space>meaning.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6626.08 3.12 I<space>think<space>those<space>words<space>have<space>meaning<space>coming<space>from<space>Christ<space>as<space>well.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6629.36 8.16 In<space>a<space>word<space>that,<space>something<space>I<space>was<space>facing,<space>I<space>was<space>struggled<space>mightily<space>with<space>that,<space>the<space>same<space>way<space>I<space>struggle<space>with<space>the<space>sins<space>that<space>Christ<space>has<space>named<space>in<space>my<space>own<space>book.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6637.76 23.68 But<space>I<space>think<space>if<space>I<space>could<space>just<space>add<space>to<space>that,<space>one<space>of<space>the<space>things<space>I<space>have<space>heard<space>since,<space>since<space>this<space>amendment<space>has<space>been<space>put<space>on<space>the<space>ballot,<space>that<space>I<space>didn't<space>hear<space>so<space>much<space>before,<space>people<space>are<space>talking<space>so<space>often<space>about<space>a<space>biblical<space>marriage,<space>that's<space>a<space>phrase<space>I've<space>heard<space>recently.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6663.12 5.60 A<space>biblical<space>marriage<space>and<space>I've<space>started<space>to<space>ask<space>them,<space>which<space>one<space>are<space>you<space>talking<space>about?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6669.52 1.44 Which<space>one?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6671.84 9.68 Adam<space>and<space>Eve<space>might<space>be<space>the<space>best,<space>but<space>they<space>didn't<space>do<space>so<space>well<space>in<space>their<space>children<space>were<space>homicidal.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6683.36 10.80 We<space>can't<space>be<space>talking<space>about<space>Abraham,<space>whose<space>wife<space>gave<space>her<space>slave-<space>because<space>she<space>was,<space>Sarah<space>initially<space>barren.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6694.24 9.36 So<space>gave<space>her<space>slave<space>to<space>Abraham<space>so<space>that<space>their<space>first<space>child<space>could<space>be<space>born,<space>not<space>from<space>Sarah,<space>but<space>from<space>her<space>slave.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6703.68 20.24 And<space>I<space>think<space>a<space>real,<space>a<space>real<space>grownup<space>conversation<space>that<space>we<space>have<space>to<space>have<space>in<space>the<space>faith<space>community<space>is<space>to<space>realize<space>that<space>there's<space>there,<space>there<space>has<space>been<space>a<space>pretty<space>big<space>shift,<space>mostly<space>over<space>the<space>last<space>200<space>years<space>in<space>marriage.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6724.08 3.28 And<space>it<space>has<space>not<space>come<space>about<space>because<space>of<space>gay<space>and<space>lesbian<space>people.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6727.60 17.04 It<space>has<space>come<space>about<space>because<space>of<space>straight<space>people<space>who<space>have<space>said<space>more<space>and<space>more,<space>that<space>a<space>marriage<space>is<space>no<space>longer<space>a<space>contract<space>between<space>a<space>man<space>and<space>his<space>future<space>Son-in-law,<space>about<space>a<space>piece<space>of<space>property.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6745.44 5.20 But<space>is<space>a<space>contract<space>between<space>a<space>man<space>and<space>a<space>woman-<space>-<space>And<space>God.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6750.80 4.40 And<space>God,<space>but<space>that's,<space>but<space>that's<space>an<space>enormous<space>change.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6755.36 12.32 So<space>to<space>talk<space>about<space>biblical<space>marriage,<space>without<space>addressing<space>the<space>ownership<space>of<space>women<space>and<space>what<space>it<space>means<space>for<space>another<space>person<space>to<space>be<space>property<space>is<space>to<space>miss<space>the<space>mother<space>load<space>of<space>what's<space>going<space>on.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6767.68 3.60 And<space>so<space>what<space>we<space>ended<space>up<space>doing<space>is<space>pulling<space>out<space>of<space>the<space>scriptures.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6772.08 10.72 What<space>are<space>for<space>us<space>fundamental<space>bottom<space>line<space>values<space>do<space>unto<space>others,<space>love,<space>mutuality,<space>hope.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6783.60 3.28 These<space>are<space>the<space>themes<space>that<space>we've-<space>and<space>commitment.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6789.68 2.88 It's<space>also<space>edified<space>and<space>.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6792.64 6.32 Don't<space>leave<space>that<space>one<space>out.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6799.04 5.84 Yeah,<space>thank<space>you.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6804.88 11.20 A<space>question<space>I<space>have<space>had<space>throughout<space>this<space>entire<space>debate,<space>and<space>how<space>we<space>go<space>about<space>this<space>reform,<space>is<space>how<space>we<space>do<space>have<space>separation<space>through<space>the<space>state.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6816.16 12.32 And<space>this<space>has<space>always<space>been<space>framed<space>around<space>religious<space>issues<space>and<space>the<space>whole<space>reason<space>that<space>this<space>needs<space>to<space>be<space>on<space>the<space>ballot<space>is<space>a<space>lot<space>of<space>people's<space>religion<space>of<space>what's<space>their<space>opinions.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6829.12 4.56 And<space>some<space>people<space>choose<space>other<space>things<space>and<space>may<space>have<space>other<space>rights.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6833.84 10.08 So<space>how<space>is<space>it-<space>Is<space>this<space>something<space>that<space>then<space>will<space>then<space>be<space>challenged<space>in<space>the<space>courts<space>that<space>this<space>constitutional<space>amendment<space>is<space>unconstitutional?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6847.52 0.32 Yeah.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6848.00 1.04 Well,<space>that<space>may<space>happen.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6849.04 9.52 And<space>there's<space>a-<space>I<space>was<space>supposed<space>to<space>address<space>a<space>question<space>that<space>came<space>up<space>earlier,<space>I<space>was<space>asked<space>back<space>here<space>about<space>clergy,<space>functioning<space>as<space>agents<space>of<space>the<space>state.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6858.64 2.16 That's<space>actually,<space>that's<space>actually<space>true.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6861.20 9.04 There's<space>only<space>one<space>place<space>in<space>my<space>work<space>where<space>I<space>function<space>as<space>an<space>agent<space>of<space>the<space>state,<space>I'm<space>registered<space>in<space>the<space>county<space>of<space>Ramsey.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6870.48 1.36 And<space>that<space>is<space>to<space>do<space>marriages.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6871.92 3.60 I<space>have<space>no<space>idea<space>why<space>that<space>came<space>about,<space>but<space>I<space>have<space>a<space>theory.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6876.16 9.84 My<space>theory<space>is<space>that<space>as<space>the<space>population<space>in<space>this<space>country<space>expanded<space>westward,<space>there<space>were<space>more<space>clergy<space>than<space>there<space>were<space>government<space>bureaucrats.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6886.08 13.20 And<space>so<space>we<space>were<space>deputized<space>by<space>the<space>government<space>to<space>do<space>a<space>civil<space>marriage<space>along<space>with<space>the<space>religious<space>right<space>of<space>marriage.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6899.36 8.08 So<space>if<space>you're,<space>if<space>you're<space>a<space>Catholic,<space>you<space>use<space>the<space>word<space>sacrament<space>for<space>marriage.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6907.52 3.12 A<space>sacrament<space>is<space>a<space>religious<space>right.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6910.72 4.08 We<space>have<space>other<space>ways<space>of<space>talking<space>about<space>it,<space>If<space>you're<space>a<space>Protestant.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6914.88 3.04 But<space>that<space>civil<space>right<space>is<space>separate.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6918.24 9.92 I<space>mean<space>that<space>sacrament<space>is<space>separate<space>from<space>the<space>civil<space>marriage,<space>the<space>civil<space>marriage<space>that<space>is<space>recognized<space>by<space>the<space>state.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6928.24 10.00 And<space>that's<space>why,<space>by<space>the<space>way,<space>religious<space>leaders<space>will<space>never<space>be<space>forced<space>to<space>marry<space>people<space>that<space>they,<space>that<space>they<space>wouldn't<space>want<space>to<space>marry.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6938.48 4.24 It's<space>true<space>now<space>it's<space>always<space>been<space>true<space>and<space>it<space>would<space>be<space>true<space>in<space>the<space>future.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6943.20 1.92 Okay,<space>got<space>a<space>question<space>here.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6945.60 1.44 Hi<space>my<space>name<space>is<space>Eric.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6947.68 7.92 I<space>just<space>can't<space>agree<space>more<space>on<space>using<space>a<space>more<space>constructive<space>dialogue<space>on<space>this<space>issue.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6956.40 9.92 I<space>just<space>feel<space>that<space>there<space>is<space>that<space>need<space>to<space>go<space>beyond<space>the<space>shallowness<space>of<space>describing<space>some<space>individuals,<space>by<space>our<space>sexual<space>orientation.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6966.64 2.56 So<space>much<space>more<space>makes<space>up<space>a<space>person.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6969.44 6.24 And<space>I<space>think<space>everybody<space>should<space>receive<space>equal<space>dignity<space>and<space>respect<space>going<space>forward.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6976.32 4.08 My<space>only<space>issue<space>going<space>into<space>this,<space>instead<space>of<space>avoiding<space>it.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6980.40 3.76 It<space>is<space>my<space>understanding<space>of<space>the<space>amendment.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6984.40 7.28 And<space>this<space>is<space>where<space>I<space>like<space>you<space>to<space>do<space>a<space>fact<space>check<space>on<space>me,<space>is<space>that<space>this<space>is<space>not<space>a<space>ban<space>on<space>gay<space>marriage.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 6992.00 9.68 And<space>that<space>it's<space>strictly<space>is<space>prohibiting<space>the<space>government<space>or<space>judge,<space>or<space>a<space>lawyer<space>or<space>a<space>politician<space>to<space>pass<space>it<space>as<space>a<space>law,<space>without<space>voting<space>people.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7001.92 7.28 And<space>for<space>me,<space>I<space>want<space>a<space>vote<space>as,<space>regardless<space>of<space>the<space>topic,<space>it<space>could<space>be<space>a<space>hundred<space>different<space>topics.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7009.20 12.56 It<space>just<space>happens<space>to<space>be<space>marriage<space>right<space>now<space>that<space>the<space>people<space>have<space>a<space>say,<space>have<space>a<space>vote<space>to<space>determine<space>law,<space>rather<space>than<space>the<space>judge<space>or<space>lawyer<space>or<space>politician.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7022.72 5.12 I<space>just<space>think<space>that<space>there's<space>a<space>lot<space>of<space>misdirections<space>and<space>misinformation<space>pertaining<space>that.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7027.92 19.12 And<space>please<space>correct<space>me<space>wrong,<space>but<space>I<space>think<space>all<space>of<space>this<space>energy<space>needs<space>to<space>be<space>directed<space>towards<space>putting<space>gay<space>marriage<space>on<space>the<space>ballot<space>itself<space>and<space>let<space>the<space>people<space>speak<space>rather<space>than<space>a<space>judge<space>in<space>a<space>year<space>or<space>two<space>determining<space>on<space>their<space>own,<space>like<space>had<space>happen<space>in<space>New<space>York<space>or<space>Massachusetts.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7047.60 10.08 And<space>that's<space>where<space>I'm-<space>-<space>Okay,<space>so<space>I'll<space>tell<space>you<space>what,<space>I'm<space>going<space>to<space>join<space>my<space>colleagues<space>on<space>the<space>panel<space>and<space>let<space>somebody<space>who<space>works<space>with<space>the<space>law,<space>answer<space>that<space>question.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7058.08 0.64 All<space>right.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7058.80 4.80 Well,<space>first<space>of<space>all,<space>it<space>is<space>a<space>ban<space>on<space>gay<space>marriage.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7063.60 5.76 And<space>of<space>course<space>there's<space>already<space>a<space>ban<space>on<space>gay<space>marriage<space>and<space>it<space>was<space>passed<space>in<space>1997,<space>as<space>we've<space>already<space>heard<space>described.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7069.36 12.40 So<space>it<space>does,<space>it<space>reinforces<space>that,<space>you<space>know,<space>in<space>terms<space>of,<space>you<space>know,<space>could<space>in<space>terms<space>of<space>what<space>you're<space>saying,<space>could<space>a<space>judge<space>overrule<space>that<space>law,<space>the<space>legislature<space>go<space>back<space>and<space>change<space>it.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7081.92 0.40 Sure.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7082.40 1.52 That's<space>how<space>our<space>democracy<space>works.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7083.92 8.96 I<space>mean,<space>one<space>thing<space>is<space>that<space>what<space>you're<space>talking<space>about<space>in<space>terms<space>of<space>direct<space>democracy,<space>where<space>you<space>have<space>a<space>referendum<space>on<space>things,<space>that's<space>not<space>our<space>system<space>of<space>government<space>for<space>the<space>most<space>part.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7092.88 2.00 I<space>mean,<space>we're<space>a<space>representative<space>democracy.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7095.04 10.32 We<space>do<space>elect<space>politicians<space>and<space>man<space>that's<space>messy<space>and<space>unfortunate,<space>but<space>that<space>is<space>the<space>way<space>the<space>American<space>system<space>works<space>is<space>that<space>we<space>don't<space>vote<space>individually<space>on<space>everything.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7105.36 1.68 There's<space>some<space>places<space>that<space>come<space>closer<space>to<space>that.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7107.04 9.68 Vermont's<space>one<space>of<space>them<space>where<space>they<space>have<space>town<space>meetings<space>and<space>they<space>send<space>a<space>representative<space>from<space>every<space>Hamlet,<space>but<space>it's<space>a<space>small<space>state<space>with<space>a<space>tiny<space>population<space>relative<space>to<space>Minnesota.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7116.96 6.96 So<space>in<space>terms<space>of,<space>you<space>know,<space>something<space>like<space>this<space>referendum<space>it's<space>pretty<space>rare<space>that<space>we<space>do<space>this,<space>that<space>we<space>vote<space>on<space>something.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7123.92 6.08 So<space>in<space>terms<space>of<space>the<space>legislature<space>making<space>a<space>choice<space>like<space>that,<space>that's<space>kind<space>of<space>in<space>our<space>system.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7130.00 4.72 Now,<space>in<space>terms<space>of<space>judges<space>making<space>those<space>choices,<space>I<space>think<space>that's<space>a<space>legitimate<space>concern.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7134.80 1.60 That<space>judges,<space>I<space>mean.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7136.56 11.44 The<space>nature<space>of<space>judges<space>that<space>can<space>overrule<space>a<space>statute,<space>you<space>know,<space>in<space>law,<space>we<space>say<space>it's<space>counter<space>of<space>majoritarian,<space>that<space>the<space>majority<space>of<space>the<space>people<space>consistent-<space>think<space>something,<space>and<space>then<space>judges<space>overrule<space>it.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7148.08 1.76 Luckily<space>they<space>do<space>it<space>pretty<space>rarely.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7149.92 1.92 Now<space>this<space>is<space>an<space>area<space>in<space>which<space>you're<space>right.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7151.84 2.00 In<space>some<space>states<space>they<space>have<space>done<space>that.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7153.92 5.52 But<space>here's<space>something<space>to<space>think<space>about,<space>is<space>that<space>maybe<space>that's<space>where<space>the<space>people's<space>vote<space>comes<space>in.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7159.60 9.44 In<space>Massachusetts<space>the<space>people<space>didn't<space>rise<space>up<space>and<space>say,<space>you<space>know,<space>you're<space>wrong<space>judges,<space>in<space>Iowa,<space>you<space>know,<space>it's<space>a<space>different<space>situation.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7169.12 1.52 In<space>California<space>they<space>did.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7170.80 7.44 In<space>California,<space>there<space>was<space>a<space>judicial<space>decision<space>that<space>allowed<space>gay<space>marriage<space>that<space>allowed<space>that<space>incredible<space>moment<space>in<space>San<space>Francisco.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7178.32 12.96 But<space>then<space>they<space>passed<space>proposition<space>eight,<space>that<space>there<space>was<space>a<space>referendum<space>that<space>came<space>after<space>that,<space>and<space>that<space>kind<space>of<space>dialogue<space>back<space>and<space>forth<space>between<space>the<space>branches<space>of<space>government<space>and<space>the<space>people,<space>actually<space>works<space>pretty<space>well<space>in<space>the<space>end.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7191.60 4.40 You<space>know,<space>maybe<space>California<space>will<space>come<space>back<space>again<space>in<space>a<space>couple<space>of<space>years<space>and<space>they<space>have<space>a<space>referendum<space>again.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7196.00 1.44 And<space>switch<space>back<space>the<space>other<space>way.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7197.60 2.96 That's<space>in<space>the<space>nature<space>of<space>American<space>government.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7200.64 2.80 It's<space>part<space>of<space>the<space>package<space>of<space>what<space>we<space>have<space>here.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7203.44 1.52 And<space>there's<space>a<space>lot<space>of<space>good<space>to<space>them.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7205.44 14.24 I<space>open<space>questions<space>up<space>to<space>anybody<space>that<space>hasn't<space>had<space>a<space>chance<space>to<space>ask<space>a<space>question,<space>to<space>anyone<space>of<space>the<space>presenters.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7220.08 8.96 My<space>question<space>goes<space>to<space>Professor<space>Ostler,<space>as<space>kind<space>of<space>referenced<space>before,<space>at<space>the<space>city<space>court<space>system<space>that<space>could<space>be<space>appearing<space>before<space>the<space>supreme<space>court.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7229.04 13.44 Can<space>you<space>speculate<space>that<space>whether<space>you<space>anticipated<space>that<space>this<space>would<space>come<space>before<space>the<space>Supreme<space>court,<space>and<space>when<space>they<space>rule<space>on<space>that<space>and,<space>how<space>does<space>that<space>immediately<space>impact<space>the<space>state<space>and<space>things<space>that<space>we<space>put<space>into<space>the<space>state<space>constitution?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7242.72 4.32 Yeah,<space>there's<space>a<space>couple<space>issues<space>relating<space>to<space>this.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7247.12 7.20 And<space>one<space>is<space>right<space>now,<space>we've<space>got<space>a<space>challenge<space>and<space>a<space>very<space>active<space>challenge<space>to<space>the<space>defense<space>of<space>marriage<space>amendment,<space>or<space>the<space>act,<space>I'm<space>sorry.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7254.40 4.00 In<space>the<space>federal<space>system,<space>which<space>is<space>a<space>statute,<space>not<space>a<space>constitutional<space>amendment.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7258.40 3.92 And<space>the<space>second<space>circuit<space>in<space>New<space>York,<space>for<space>example,<space>just<space>ruled<space>on<space>that.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7262.32 1.76 I<space>believe<space>by<space>striking<space>it<space>down.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7264.16 2.64 Now,<space>was<space>that<space>going<space>to<space>come<space>up<space>before<space>the<space>Supreme<space>court?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7267.60 3.20 A<space>lot<space>of<space>people<space>think<space>that<space>it<space>will,<space>but<space>that's<space>not<space>this<space>issue.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7270.88 8.00 That's<space>talking<space>about<space>that<space>federal<space>act<space>that<space>really<space>has<space>to<space>do<space>with<space>the<space>full<space>faith<space>and<space>credit<space>clause<space>of<space>the<space>constitution<space>and<space>things<space>like<space>that.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7278.96 1.84 What<space>happens<space>when<space>people<space>move<space>to<space>state<space>to<space>state?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7280.88 0.88 Now<space>that's<space>important.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7281.84 1.28 It's<space>a<space>different<space>issue.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7283.20 5.36 Now<space>with<space>this<space>amendment,<space>if<space>it's<space>passed,<space>could<space>there<space>be<space>a<space>challenge<space>in<space>court?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7288.96 1.12 There<space>could<space>be.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7290.96 2.64 Who<space>is<space>that<space>likely<space>to<space>reach<space>the<space>Supreme<space>court?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7293.76 15.84 Most<space>people<space>that<space>I<space>know<space>who<space>know<space>a<space>lot<space>about<space>the<space>Supreme<space>court,<space>think<space>that<space>kind<space>of<space>challenge<space>is<space>unlikely<space>to<space>because<space>the<space>justices<space>tend<space>to-<space>unless<space>they've<space>got<space>something<space>that's<space>been<space>overruled,<space>that's<space>been<space>sustained<space>up<space>through<space>the<space>court<space>of<space>appeals.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7309.92 5.28 They're<space>not<space>going<space>to<space>pluck<space>a<space>case<space>out<space>to<space>decide<space>that<space>because<space>they<space>tend<space>to<space>defer<space>to<space>the<space>way<space>the<space>states<space>came<space>out.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7315.20 3.68 So<space>unless<space>that's<space>being<space>upset<space>they're<space>not<space>likely<space>to<space>go<space>after<space>that.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7319.28 4.08 I<space>hope<space>that<space>makes<space>sense.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7326.00 1.36 My<space>Question<space>is<space>to<space>Grant.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7327.52 2.24 Possible<space>the<space>law<space>enforcer.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7331.84 5.68 And<space>I<space>appreciate<space>Grant's<space>distinction<space>that<space>the<space>religious<space>perspectives<space>vary.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7338.00 11.20 If<space>the<space>Archbishop<space>can<space>persuade,<space>then<space>others<space>can<space>force<space>their<space>conception,<space>of<space>religion<space>down<space>everyone's<space>throat.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7349.28 2.72 What's<space>the<space>difference<space>between<space>that<space>and<space>.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7352.16 5.68 The<space>Muslims<space>believe<space>that<space>the<space>Qur'an<space>should<space>be<space>the<space>basis<space>of<space>civil<space>law.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7359.04 18.56 Isn't<space>this<space>a<space>problem<space>throughout<space>the<space>world,<space>where<space>one<space>religion<space>assumes<space>it<space>has<space>God<space>on<space>its<space>side<space>and<space>forces<space>all<space>of<space>us<space>to<space>follow<space>its<space>religious<space>victings?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7378.16 4.64 Well,<space>I<space>understand,<space>I<space>think<space>I<space>understand<space>what<space>you're<space>saying.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7383.76 4.56 I<space>think<space>that<space>I<space>would<space>think<space>about<space>it<space>in<space>a<space>somewhat<space>different<space>way.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7390.08 18.08 I<space>think<space>that<space>we<space>are<space>by<space>definition<space>in<space>this<space>culture,<space>in<space>a<space>conversation<space>and<space>what<space>we<space>expect<space>of<space>each<space>other,<space>what<space>we,<space>what<space>we<space>hold-<space>what<space>we<space>expect<space>of<space>our<space>institutions<space>isn't<space>a<space>process.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7408.24 7.04 And<space>my<space>concern<space>about,<space>so<space>I'll<space>be<space>honest<space>with<space>you.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7415.28 8.72 I<space>have<space>some<space>sympathies<space>to<space>the<space>way<space>that<space>you<space>asked<space>that<space>question,<space>but<space>my<space>concern<space>about<space>the<space>way<space>that<space>you<space>ask<space>that<space>question<space>is<space>it<space>tends<space>to<space>shut<space>off<space>the<space>conversation.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7424.40 3.76 With<space>the<space>constitutional<space>amendment,<space>isn't<space>the<space>archbishop,<space>should<space>be<space>off<space>the<space>conversation?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7428.24 4.88 Yes<space>I<space>believe<space>that<space>this<space>constitutional<space>amendment<space>does<space>in<space>fact<space>shut<space>off<space>the<space>conversation,<space>yes<space>it<space>does.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7433.20 1.28 That's<space>my<space>point.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7434.56 9.52 Just,<space>just<space>briefly<space>on<space>that,<space>I<space>think<space>the<space>difference<space>is<space>ugly,<space>crazy,<space>wild<space>democracy.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7444.32 7.76 You<space>know,<space>that<space>the<space>Archbishop,<space>unlike<space>in<space>countries<space>where<space>there's<space>Sharia<space>law,<space>can't<space>decide<space>something<space>and<space>have<space>it<space>become<space>law.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7452.08 2.16 It<space>has<space>to<space>go<space>through<space>the<space>process<space>of<space>democracy.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7454.24 2.32 And<space>what's<space>happening<space>in<space>Minnesota<space>is<space>really<space>remarkable.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7456.64 4.24 I'm<space>really<space>heart-<space>because<space>I<space>disagree<space>with<space>the<space>Archbishop.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7461.20 2.80 I<space>don't<space>think<space>that's<space>a<space>correct<space>thing<space>to<space>be.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7464.16 4.24 I<space>mean,<space>obviously<space>I<space>disagree<space>with<space>him<space>about<space>that,<space>about<space>the<space>separate<space>point,<space>but,<space>you<space>know.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7468.48 1.60 Look<space>at<space>the<space>reaction<space>that's<space>happened.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7470.08 1.52 Look<space>at<space>the<space>people<space>who<space>are<space>here.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7471.76 16.16 I<space>mean,<space>what<space>I'm<space>hearing<space>is<space>that<space>the<space>other<space>side<space>is<space>out<space>raising<space>them<space>six<space>to<space>one,<space>that<space>is-<space>I<space>really<space>believe<space>that<space>this<space>election<space>in<space>the<space>end,<space>in<space>this<space>state,<space>is<space>going<space>to<space>be<space>a<space>great<space>American<space>moment.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7488.32 2.40 31<space>states<space>in<space>a<space>row<space>went<space>the<space>other<space>way.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7490.88 2.80 The<space>Archbishop<space>wants<space>us<space>to<space>do<space>that.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7494.48 7.68 What<space>we're<space>seeing,<space>because<space>of<space>people<space>like<space>these<space>people<space>here<space>and<space>what<space>Grant<space>is<space>doing,<space>what<space>the<space>people<space>in<space>his<space>office<space>are<space>doing.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7502.72 7.92 There<space>is<space>against<space>that<space>pile<space>of<space>money<space>that<space>started<space>out<space>a<space>hundred<space>thousand<space>voices.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7510.88 2.32 And<space>it's<space>going<space>to<space>start<space>to<space>go<space>the<space>other<space>way.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7513.20 1.84 And<space>this<space>is<space>that<space>turning<space>point.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7515.52 2.00 Can<space>I<space>say<space>one<space>more,<space>one<space>more<space>thing.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7518.24 6.72 So<space>I<space>think<space>maybe<space>it<space>goes<space>without<space>saying<space>that<space>I<space>have<space>a<space>pretty<space>strong<space>disagreement<space>with<space>Derek<space>Bishop<space>on<space>this<space>amendment.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7525.28 5.60 There<space>are<space>so<space>many<space>things<space>that<space>he<space>stands<space>for<space>that<space>I'm<space>grateful<space>for.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7531.12 10.32 And<space>part<space>of,<space>I<space>think<space>part<space>of<space>our<space>challenge<space>in<space>a<space>political<space>debate,<space>that<space>is,<space>that<space>is<space>in<space>fact,<space>a<space>deeply<space>heated<space>political<space>debate.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7542.00 13.20 Part<space>of<space>the<space>challenge<space>is<space>to<space>be<space>able<space>to<space>have<space>it,<space>to<space>make<space>it<space>real<space>and<space>to<space>be<space>able<space>to<space>come<space>out<space>the<space>other<space>end<space>as<space>neighbors<space>and<space>as<space>people<space>who<space>can<space>move<space>forward<space>together<space>on<space>other<space>issues.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7555.20 3.92 Cause<space>there<space>will<space>be<space>some.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7561.36 3.76 We're<space>talking<space>about<space>my<space>relationship.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7565.84 4.72 Talking<space>amendment.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7570.96 11.60 I<space>guess<space>the<space>dialogue<space>here<space>is<space>how<space>would<space>you<space>feel<space>if<space>there<space>was<space>a<space>constitutional<space>amendment<space>that<space>would<space>validate<space>your<space>heterosexual<space>relationship,<space>how<space>would<space>you<space>feel?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7582.80 6.72 And<space>my<space>point<space>is<space>on<space>this<space>issue,<space>you<space>have<space>much<space>more<space>faith<space>than<space>I<space>do.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7589.84 11.04 The<space>amendment<space>will<space>probably<space>pass<space>because<space>when<space>people<space>go<space>into<space>a<space>polling<space>place,<space>they<space>thought,<space>well,<space>of<space>course,<space>in<space>religion<space>it's<space>one<space>man<space>and<space>one<space>woman.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7600.96 1.92 That<space>it's<space>not<space>the<space>American<space>way.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7602.88 1.76 That<space>is<space>not<space>the<space>bill<space>of<space>rights.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7607.60 7.52 I'd<space>like<space>to<space>have<space>your<space>question<space>-<space>-<space>I,<space>you're<space>the<space>law<space>professor.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7615.52 8.48 What<space>is<space>the<space>basis<space>for<space>thinking<space>that<space>Minnesota<space>is<space>so<space>exceptional<space>that<space>it<space>can<space>pull<space>apart<space>from<space>this.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7624.00 2.40 The<space>polls<space>right<space>now<space>that<space>we're<space>seeing.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7626.40 9.36 And<space>I<space>mean,<space>I<space>think<space>that<space>what<space>we're<space>seeing<space>is<space>that,<space>that<space>it's<space>very<space>close<space>or<space>that<space>the<space>opposition<space>is<space>ahead.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7638.64 1.92 I<space>am<space>an<space>optimist.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7641.36 1.04 I'll<space>admit<space>to<space>that.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7642.56 4.00 I<space>think<space>that,<space>you<space>know,<space>I<space>think<space>there's<space>others<space>that<space>we're<space>likely<space>to<space>lose.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7646.64 3.60 For<space>example,<space>I've<space>been<space>working<space>on<space>the<space>death<space>penalty<space>referendum<space>in<space>California.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7650.32 1.52 We're<space>likely<space>to<space>lose<space>that<space>one.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7651.92 3.04 But<space>with<space>this<space>one,<space>I<space>think<space>there's<space>a,<space>there's<space>a<space>good<space>chance.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7655.52 2.08 This<space>is<space>going<space>to<space>be<space>that<space>turning<space>point.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7658.08 10.16 Okay<space>one<space>last<space>question<space>and<space>then<space>we've<space>got<space>our<space>panel<space>member<space>that<space>has<space>a<space>quick<space>review.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7670.96 6.48 The<space>law,<space>in<space>Minnesota.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7678.00 6.32 I<space>don't<space>quite<space>get<space>why<space>people<space>are<space>putting<space>such<space>a<space>push<space>on<space>this<space>constitutional<space>thing.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7684.40 16.00 And<space>it<space>seems<space>to<space>me<space>that<space>it's<space>kind<space>of<space>strange,<space>but<space>the<space>other<space>part<space>is,<space>that<space>if<space>we<space>want<space>in<space>fact,<space>real<space>change<space>that<space>people<space>should<space>have<space>the<space>freedom<space>to<space>marry<space>in<space>this<space>case,<space>same-sex<space>couples,<space>what<space>do<space>we<space>have<space>to<space>do<space>first?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7700.40 3.60 Do<space>we<space>have<space>to<space>engage<space>in<space>constitutional<space>things?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7704.08 2.96 And<space>then<space>go<space>back<space>and<space>do<space>something<space>about<space>the<space>law?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7707.04 7.44 Or<space>how<space>do<space>you<space>make<space>a<space>real<space>change<space>in<space>this<space>kind<space>of<space>juxtaposition?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7714.88 6.72 Well,<space>I<space>have<space>to<space>say<space>that<space>I<space>was<space>at<space>the<space>Capitol<space>the<space>entire<space>time<space>that<space>this<space>amendment<space>legislation<space>was<space>being<space>considered.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7721.60 6.40 And<space>I<space>don't<space>think<space>I<space>have<space>an<space>answer<space>for<space>you<space>about<space>why<space>this<space>is<space>something<space>that<space>the<space>proponents<space>of<space>it<space>decided<space>to<space>push<space>forward.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7728.00 1.92 Obviously<space>it<space>was<space>a<space>priority<space>that<space>they<space>had.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7730.00 3.52 I<space>think<space>there<space>were<space>a<space>lot<space>of<space>different<space>reasons<space>for<space>that.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7733.76 1.52 And<space>here<space>we<space>are.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7735.84 2.80 In<space>terms<space>of<space>the<space>way<space>that<space>you<space>move<space>forward.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7738.72 20.08 I<space>think<space>it<space>does<space>depend<space>on<space>what<space>the<space>outcome<space>of<space>this<space>election<space>is<space>to<space>be,<space>if<space>this<space>amendment<space>passes<space>and<space>it<space>is<space>in<space>the<space>constitution,<space>then<space>the<space>only<space>way<space>to<space>roll<space>that<space>back<space>would<space>be<space>a<space>second<space>constitutional<space>amendment,<space>which<space>I<space>don't<space>expect<space>anybody<space>is<space>projecting,<space>will<space>happen<space>anytime<space>soon.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7758.88 2.48 Or<space>perhaps<space>something<space>that<space>comes<space>from<space>the<space>higher<space>court.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7761.36 5.12 But<space>as,<space>as<space>the<space>professor<space>mentioned,<space>that<space>does<space>seem<space>to<space>be<space>coming<space>anytime<space>soon,<space>either.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7766.88 16.16 If<space>the<space>amendment<space>fails,<space>then<space>I<space>think<space>in<space>Minnesota,<space>we<space>typically<space>use<space>the<space>legislative<space>process<space>as<space>the<space>mechanism<space>to<space>move<space>forward<space>in<space>these<space>kinds<space>of<space>issues<space>that-<space>We<space>are<space>not<space>a<space>state<space>that<space>tends<space>to<space>have<space>a<space>lot<space>of<space>ballot<space>measures.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7783.04 7.44 Folks<space>can<space>probably<space>remember,<space>you<space>know,<space>count<space>even<space>on<space>one<space>hand,<space>the<space>ballot<space>measures<space>that<space>you<space>have<space>voted<space>on<space>in<space>this<space>state,<space>very<space>different<space>than<space>other<space>states.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7790.56 2.08 I<space>moved<space>here<space>a<space>long<space>time<space>ago<space>from<space>California.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7792.64 4.08 And<space>I<space>know<space>that<space>in<space>that<space>state,<space>there<space>is<space>a<space>referendum<space>on<space>just<space>about<space>everything.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7796.72 5.68 And<space>so<space>you<space>get<space>a<space>book<space>in<space>advance,<space>so<space>you<space>can<space>study<space>up<space>on,<space>on<space>which<space>referendums<space>you<space>will<space>support.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7802.40 5.28 But<space>in<space>Minnesota,<space>typically<space>we<space>use<space>the<space>legislative<space>process<space>in<space>order<space>to<space>move<space>forward<space>on<space>these<space>kinds<space>of<space>things.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7807.68 5.76 And<space>I<space>would<space>expect<space>that<space>going<space>forward,<space>that<space>is<space>the<space>way<space>that,<space>that<space>Minnesota<space>will<space>progress.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7817.68 5.12 Would<space>you<space>have<space>to<space>operate<space>separately<space>on<space>the<space>constitutional<space>piece<space>then<space>and<space>the<space>original<space>law<space>or<space>does<space>it<space>depend-<space>-<space>It<space>does<space>depend.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7822.80 0.56 Yeah,<space>it<space>did.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7823.36 7.12 Does<space>it<space>operate<space>separately<space>on<space>the<space>constitutional<space>and<space>then<space>go<space>back<space>and<space>operate<space>off<space>the<space>law?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7831.44 17.12 If<space>the<space>outcome<space>that<space>you're<space>talking<space>about<space>was<space>to<space>get<space>to<space>a<space>point<space>where<space>same-sex<space>couples<space>legally<space>were<space>allowed<space>to<space>marry<space>and<space>the<space>constitutional<space>amendment<space>passes,<space>then<space>you<space>would<space>need<space>to<space>do<space>a<space>constitutional<space>change<space>through<space>another<space>ballot<space>measure<space>in<space>order<space>to<space>move<space>forward<space>legislation.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7848.80 2.32 Is<space>that,<space>does<space>that<space>answer<space>your<space>question?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7851.68 7.60 Okay<space>we<space>lost<space>our<space>panel<space>review<space>people,<space>except<space>Armando's<space>still<space>here<space>but<space>he's<space>actually<space>got<space>a<space>question.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7859.28 8.24 Hi<space>I'm<space>Armando,<space>I<space>was<space>just<space>wondering,<space>this<space>is<space>for<space>the<space>reverend.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7867.76 12.72 You<space>said<space>if<space>God<space>was,<space>He<space>created<space>gays<space>and<space>lesbians,<space>I<space>was<space>just<space>wondering,<space>why<space>would<space>God<space>set<space>people<space>up<space>for<space>failure<space>like<space>that?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7880.48 6.48 If<space>it's<space>an<space>abomination?
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7887.52 6.88 You<space>know,<space>I'll<space>do<space>my<space>best.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7899.76 4.72 I<space>think<space>God<space>created<space>people<space>because<space>God<space>loves<space>people.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7904.72 4.96 And<space>people<space>are<space>different<space>from<space>each<space>other.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7909.92 8.24 And<space>it's<space>people,<space>not<space>God<space>who<space>make<space>those<space>differences<space>into<space>something<space>that's<space>hurtful.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7918.56 10.88 So<space>I<space>wouldn't<space>put<space>at<space>God's<space>feet<space>the<space>pain<space>that<space>gay<space>and<space>lesbian<space>people<space>feel<space>when<space>they're<space>discriminated<space>against<space>by<space>others.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7929.92 3.04 I<space>would<space>put<space>that<space>at<space>our<space>feet.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7933.20 13.52 And<space>my<space>perspective<space>is<space>that<space>if<space>we<space>weep<space>for<space>people<space>who<space>are<space>hurt,<space>by<space>our<space>behavior<space>and<space>by<space>our<space>laws.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7947.60 1.92 God<space>didn't<space>set<space>us<space>up<space>to<space>fail.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7949.76 1.68 God<space>weeps<space>with<space>us.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7951.60 4.40 And<space>waits<space>for<space>us<space>to<space>fix<space>that.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7958.08 2.64 I'd<space>like<space>to<space>just<space>make<space>a<space>couple<space>of<space>comments.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7961.36 2.56 We'd<space>like<space>to<space>have<space>everybody<space>fill<space>out<space>the<space>survey<space>tonight.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7963.92 13.52 If<space>you<space>take<space>just<space>a<space>second<space>to<space>give<space>us<space>feedback,<space>we<space>will<space>collect<space>those<space>surveys<space>and<space>review<space>the<space>results<space>at<space>the<space>next<space>human<space>rights<space>commission<space>meeting<space>November<space>13th,<space>Tuesday<space>7:00<space>PM<space>at<space>the<space>Maplewood<space>city<space>hall.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7977.84 9.04 And<space>we<space>welcome<space>all<space>of<space>your<space>ongoing<space>participation,<space>and<space>this<space>discussion<space>will<space>continue<space>at<space>that<space>meeting.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7988.24 2.80 This<space>has<space>been<space>a<space>great<space>panel<space>discussion<space>here<space>tonight.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7991.28 7.84 I<space>want<space>to<space>thank<space>the<space>Maplewood<space>staff<space>and<space>commissioners<space>from<space>both<space>Maplewood<space>and<space>Roseville<space>for<space>the<space>significant<space>effort<space>that<space>it<space>took<space>to<space>put<space>this<space>event<space>together.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 7999.36 13.12 We<space>especially<space>want<space>to<space>thank<space>the<space>audience<space>for<space>your<space>great<space>questions<space>and<space>respectful<space>and<space>civil<space>manner,<space>which<space>people<space>gathered<space>here<space>to<space>talk<space>with<space>neighbors,<space>and<space>finally<space>to<space>our<space>speakers<space>for<space>their<space>outstanding<space>contribution,<space>to<space>this<space>town<space>hall<space>meeting.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 8012.64 0.96 Thanks<space>everybody.
Marriage_constitutional_amendment_Town_Hall_Mtg 1 8013.60 12.96 And<space>good<space>night.