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+IEM_11-16-15 1 39.68 5.04 Aloha,<space>will<space>the<space>Infrastructure<space>Environmental<space>Management<space>Committee,<space>please<space>come<space>to<space>order.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 44.80 6.32 It<space>is<space>Monday,<space>November<space>16th,<space>2015,<space>and<space>it's<space>about<space>1:37<space>in<space>the<space>afternoon.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 51.36 3.52 And<space>let<space>me<space>give<space>the<space>roll<space>call<space>of<space>who<space>is<space>present.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 55.04 6.96 Myself,<space>obviously,<space>Chair<space>Li<space>Cochran<space>and<space>from<space>East<space>Maui,<space>we<space>have<space>Bob<space>Carroll.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 62.16 1.12 Good<space>afternoon,<space>Chair.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 63.36 2.80 Aloha<space>and<space>Ms.<space>Gladys<space>Baisa.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 66.24 1.12 Good<space>afternoon,<space>Chair.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 67.44 3.76 Aloha<space>and<space>we<space>have<space>Mr.<space>Don<space>Guzman.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 71.36 0.80 Good<space>afternoon,<space>Chair.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 72.16 1.36 Good<space>afternoon.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 73.60 4.32 And<space>non-voting<space>but<space>here<space>visiting<space>with<space>us<space>today<space>is<space>Mr.<space>Don<space>Couch.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 77.92 0.88 Good<space>afternoon,<space>Chair.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 78.96 0.64 Aloha.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 79.60 10.40 Be<space>excused<space>for<space>today<space>will<space>be<space>Vice<space>Chair<space>of<space>this<space>committee,<space>Ricky<space>Hocomma<space>and<space>also<space>Stacy<space>Covello<space>and<space>Council<space>Chair,<space>Mike<space>White<space>will<space>be<space>joining<space>us<space>shortly.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 90.24 11.84 From<space>the<space>administration,<space>we<space>have<space>Corporation<space>Counsel,<space>Rochelle<space>Thompson,<space>aloha,<space>and<space>our<space>staff,<space>Legislative<space>Analyst<space>Jordan<space>Molina,<space>and<space>also<space>Legislative<space>Secretary<space>Raina<space>Yapp.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 102.40 2.72 And<space>let<space>me<space>check<space>in<space>with<space>our<space>district<space>offices.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 105.28 4.24 In<space>Hana,<space>Don<space>Lono,<space>are<space>you<space>there?
+IEM_11-16-15 1 109.52 2.40 Yes,<space>good<space>afternoon,<space>Chair,<space>this<space>Don<space>Lono<space>at<space>the<space>Hana<space>office.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 111.92 0.56 Aloha,<space>Don.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 112.48 1.52 Lanai,<space>Ms.<space>Denise<space>Fernandez.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 114.16 7.28 Good<space>afternoon<space>Chair,<space>this<space>is<space>Denise<space>Fernandez<space>on<space>Lanai.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 121.68 1.12 And<space>Amola<space>Kaim<space>is<space>Elelkon.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 122.80 0.80 Good<space>afternoon,<space>Chair.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 123.60 5.76 This<space>is<space>Elelkon,<space>Amola<space>Kaim.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 129.84 10.24 Thank<space>you<space>ladies<space>for<space>being<space>there<space>and<space>members,<space>today<space>we<space>have<space>three<space>items<space>on<space>the<space>agenda,<space>IEM<space>27,<space>restoration<space>of<space>Maui's<space>coral<space>reefs.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 140.16 10.64 IEM<space>40,<space>termination<space>of<space>license<space>agreement<space>affecting<space>lots,<space>143,<space>144<space>and<space>145<space>of<space>the<space>Pukalani<space>lots<space>at<space>Kehua<space>in<space>Pukalani.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 150.96 6.56 IEM<space>42,<space>grant<space>of<space>sewer<space>line<space>easement<space>to<space>Hospice<space>Maui<space>Incorporated,<space>which<space>is<space>in<space>Wailuku.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 157.52 9.44 And<space>at<space>this<space>time<space>I<space>shall<space>set<space>the<space>parameters<space>for<space>testimony,<space>three<space>minutes<space>to<space>testify,<space>please<space>state<space>your<space>name<space>and<space>the<space>organization<space>you<space>might<space>be<space>representing.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 167.04 5.68 And<space>also<space>please<space>stick<space>to<space>speaking<space>on<space>the<space>items<space>that<space>are<space>listed<space>on<space>the<space>agenda<space>today.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 173.20 6.72 And<space>at<space>this<space>time<space>I<space>shall<space>open<space>the<space>floor<space>for<space>public<space>testimony<space>without<space>objections.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 180.08 0.96 No<space>objections.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 181.12 2.00 Thank<space>you<space>very<space>much,<space>so<space>ordered.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 183.20 9.12 And<space>first<space>on<space>our<space>list<space>in<space>the<space>gallery<space>to<space>testify<space>is<space>Mr.<space>Greg<space>Lagoi.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 193.84 5.44 Testifying<space>on<space>IEM<space>42.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 200.08 2.64 Aloha<space>everyone,<space>my<space>name<space>is<space>Greg<space>Lagoi.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 202.80 3.52 I'm<space>the<space>Chief<space>Executive<space>Officer<space>of<space>Hospice<space>Maui.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 207.84 6.48 Hospice<space>Maui<space>is<space>sitting<space>atop<space>county<space>leased<space>land.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 214.72 1.60 We<space>leased<space>from<space>the<space>county.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 217.04 4.32 We<space>are<space>building<space>a<space>a<space>five<space>bed<space>hospice<space>residence.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 221.44 11.12 And<space>at<space>the<space>beginning<space>of<space>the<space>process,<space>our<space>engineer<space>had<space>gotten<space>assurances<space>from<space>the<space>Department<space>of<space>health<space>that<space>we<space>would<space>be<space>able<space>to<space>have<space>our<space>own<space>individual<space>wastewater<space>system<space>on<space>site,<space>a<space>septic<space>system.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 232.64 2.40 We're<space>on<space>sand<space>'cause<space>we're<space>on<space>the<space>Sand<space>Hills.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 236.16 10.72 During<space>the<space>lengthy<space>process<space>that<space>also<space>involved<space>the<space>environmental<space>assessment<space>we<space>had<space>to<space>do,<space>the<space>Department<space>of<space>Health<space>changed<space>and<space>said<space>that<space>we<space>needed<space>to<space>find<space>a<space>sewer<space>access.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 247.04 9.20 There<space>is<space>no<space>sewer<space>on<space>Mahalani<space>Street,<space>but<space>across<space>Mahalani<space>Street<space>from<space>us<space>is<space>another<space>county<space>owned<space>lot<space>that<space>is<space>leased<space>to<space>Lokahi<space>Pacific.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 256.40 5.28 And<space>on<space>that<space>lot,<space>there<space>is<space>a<space>sewer<space>lateral<space>that<space>we<space>would<space>have<space>access<space>to.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 261.92 7.60 And<space>so<space>we<space>are<space>asking<space>for<space>the<space>county<space>to<space>grant<space>an<space>easement<space>to<space>another<space>branch<space>of<space>the<space>county.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 269.52 8.32 I'm<space>not<space>sure<space>to<space>whom,<space>but<space>housing<space>and<space>human<space>concerns,<space>is<space>the<space>branch<space>that<space>deals<space>with<space>our<space>lease.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 277.84 7.28 And<space>then<space>the<space>easement<space>would<space>go<space>across<space>Mahalani<space>Street<space>and<space>across<space>the<space>lot<space>that<space>is<space>leased<space>to<space>Lokahi<space>Pacific.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 285.44 5.20 To<space>my<space>knowledge,<space>there's<space>no<space>controversy<space>or<space>issues<space>at<space>all<space>involved.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 290.72 5.68 And<space>I'm<space>happy<space>to<space>answer<space>any<space>questions<space>that<space>have<space>to<space>do<space>with<space>this<space>particular<space>question.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 296.88 1.92 Thank<space>you.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 298.88 0.48 Thank<space>you.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 299.36 1.28 Thank<space>you,<space>Mr.<space>Lagoi.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 300.64 2.72 Members,<space>any<space>need<space>for<space>clarification<space>of<space>our<space>testifier?
+IEM_11-16-15 1 303.52 2.80 Seeing<space>none,<space>thank<space>you<space>for<space>your<space>presence<space>today.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 306.80 7.52 Next<space>testifier<space>in<space>the<space>gallery<space>is<space>Robin<space>Newbold,<space>speaking<space>on<space>IEM<space>27.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 316.56 3.28 And<space>she<space>is<space>Chair<space>of<space>the<space>Maui<space>Nui<space>Marine<space>Resource<space>Council.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 319.92 4.56 Aloha<space>Kedko,<space>I'm<space>Robin<space>Newbold,<space>Chair<space>of<space>the<space>Maui<space>Nui<space>Resource<space>Council.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 324.88 5.12 Thank<space>you,<space>Madam<space>Chair<space>for<space>having<space>us<space>back<space>to<space>talk<space>to<space>your<space>committee.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 330.00 1.84 And<space>I<space>want<space>to<space>thank<space>all<space>of<space>the<space>committee<space>members.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 331.84 1.92 It's<space>good<space>to<space>see<space>you<space>again,<space>it's<space>been<space>awhile.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 333.84 5.60 So<space>thank<space>you<space>for<space>being<space>here<space>and<space>for<space>your<space>interest<space>in<space>what's<space>happening<space>on<space>our<space>coral<space>reefs.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 339.68 17.36 Since<space>you<space>passed<space>the<space>resolution<space>to<space>save,<space>protect,<space>and<space>enhance<space>the<space>coral<space>reefs<space>of<space>Maui<space>Nui,<space>the<space>Maui<space>Coral<space>Reef<space>Recovery<space>Team<space>has<space>been<space>busy<space>researching,<space>25<space>years<space>of<space>research<space>that's<space>been<space>done<space>on<space>the<space>reefs.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 357.20 5.12 And<space>unfortunately<space>has<space>found<space>that<space>the<space>reefs<space>have<space>been<space>declining<space>for<space>the<space>past<space>25<space>years.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 362.40 6.88 They<space>haven't<space>gone<space>back<space>further<space>than<space>that,<space>but<space>in<space>all<space>likelihood,<space>it's<space>even<space>worse<space>than<space>we<space>think.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 370.00 1.12 Excuse<space>me.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 372.32 2.24 Today,<space>Teken<space>Hammond<space>who's<space>the<space>Chair...
+IEM_11-16-15 1 374.56 9.84 I'm<space>sorry,<space>she's<space>the<space>coordinator<space>of<space>implementing<space>the<space>coral<space>reef<space>recovery<space>plan,<space>will<space>be<space>talking<space>to<space>you<space>about<space>the<space>outcomes<space>of<space>that<space>study.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 384.40 20.08 It's<space>a<space>real<space>simple<space>study,<space>we<space>got<space>it<space>down<space>to<space>two<space>pages,<space>one<space>page<space>front<space>and<space>back,<space>and<space>then<space>we<space>have<space>references<space>so<space>you<space>can<space>see<space>all<space>the<space>different<space>research<space>studies<space>that<space>we<space>cited<space>that<space>took<space>into<space>account<space>as<space>we<space>came<space>up<space>with<space>this<space>information<space>and<space>on<space>the<space>back<space>of<space>that,<space>there's<space>a<space>page<space>listing<space>all<space>the<space>team<space>members.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 404.56 2.56 So<space>all<space>that<space>information<space>is<space>available<space>to<space>you.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 407.28 4.56 To<space>make<space>it<space>even<space>easier,<space>we<space>did<space>a<space>one-page<space>summary<space>of<space>all<space>that.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 411.92 7.76 So<space>you<space>can<space>see<space>at<space>the<space>top<space>that<space>the<space>issues<space>that<space>we<space>found<space>that<space>are<space>going<space>on<space>with<space>the<space>coral<space>reefs,<space>and<space>then<space>we<space>didn't<space>want<space>to<space>leave<space>it<space>at<space>that.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 419.76 3.52 We<space>wanted<space>to<space>have<space>recommendations,<space>for<space>how<space>we<space>can<space>turn<space>this<space>around.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 423.44 6.16 How<space>we<space>can<space>work<space>with<space>you<space>and<space>the<space>county<space>and<space>the<space>state<space>to<space>turn<space>things<space>around,<space>reverse<space>this<space>trim.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 430.56 7.92 So<space>I<space>was<space>gonna<space>introduce<space>members<space>of<space>the<space>panel,<space>but<space>since<space>they're<space>not<space>sitting<space>there<space>yet,<space>we'll<space>let<space>them<space>introduce<space>themselves.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 438.56 1.92 I<space>would<space>like<space>to<space>say<space>one<space>more<space>thing<space>though.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 440.56 10.72 And<space>that<space>is<space>that<space>as<space>part<space>of<space>our<space>study,<space>we<space>would<space>like<space>to<space>find<space>out<space>how<space>much<space>people<space>know<space>before<space>we<space>talk<space>to<space>them<space>about<space>the<space>status<space>of<space>Maui's<space>reefs<space>and<space>then<space>how<space>much<space>they<space>know<space>afterwards.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 452.16 2.56 See<space>if<space>talking<space>to<space>people<space>is<space>really<space>effective.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 454.80 5.92 So<space>we<space>have<space>a<space>survey<space>and<space>I<space>believe<space>that<space>that's<space>with<space>your<space>packet<space>and<space>on<space>the<space>front<space>as<space>the<space>pre-survey.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 460.80 4.72 And<space>of<space>course,<space>ideally<space>you<space>would<space>take<space>that<space>and<space>you're<space>just<space>helping<space>us<space>with<space>our<space>database.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 465.52 7.12 If<space>you<space>have<space>a<space>chance<space>to<space>go<space>over<space>that<space>and<space>then<space>a<space>post<space>survey<space>of<space>what<space>you<space>thought<space>before<space>and<space>what<space>you<space>thought<space>after<space>we<space>talked<space>with<space>you.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 472.88 1.92 So<space>with<space>that<space>I'm<space>gonna...
+IEM_11-16-15 1 474.96 3.92 Any<space>questions,<space>otherwise<space>I'll<space>move<space>onto<space>the<space>next<space>person.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 479.68 1.28 Thank<space>you,<space>Ms.<space>Newbold.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 480.96 1.52 Does<space>that<space>concludes<space>your<space>testimony?
+IEM_11-16-15 1 482.56 2.00 Members,<space>any<space>need<space>for<space>clarification?
+IEM_11-16-15 1 484.96 2.16 Seeing<space>none,<space>thank<space>you<space>Ms.<space>Newbold.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 487.20 7.76 And<space>the<space>next<space>testifier<space>is<space>Tamara<space>Paulton<space>Speaking<space>on<space>IEM<space>27.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 507.28 1.76 Aloha<space>Chair<space>and<space>committee<space>members.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 509.04 2.32 Thank<space>you<space>for<space>this<space>opportunity<space>to<space>testify<space>today.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 511.36 17.44 I'm<space>in<space>full<space>support<space>of<space>the<space>Maui<space>Nui<space>Marine<space>Resource<space>Council<space>packet<space>and<space>I<space>just<space>wanted<space>to<space>say,<space>I<space>go<space>in<space>the<space>ocean<space>almost<space>every<space>day<space>and<space>it's<space>really<space>bad<space>and<space>having<space>been<space>alive<space>for<space>that<space>long,<space>and<space>I've<space>never<space>seen<space>it<space>this<space>bad.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 528.88 7.04 Almost<space>every<space>time<space>I<space>put<space>my<space>face<space>in<space>the<space>water,<space>I<space>see<space>a<space>bleach<space>coral<space>in<space>my<space>area.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 536.16 5.60 The<space>last<space>few<space>years,<space>we've<space>had<space>more<space>brown<space>water<space>runoff<space>events<space>than<space>I<space>can<space>count.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 542.56 9.20 If<space>you've<space>ever<space>been<space>to<space>Kapalua<space>Bay<space>in<space>the<space>last<space>30<space>years,<space>you'll<space>notice<space>a<space>huge<space>difference<space>within<space>just<space>the<space>last<space>five<space>years.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 551.84 7.44 It<space>used<space>to<space>be<space>so<space>many<space>collector<space>urchins<space>that<space>you<space>couldn't<space>even<space>count<space>them<space>all,<space>now<space>you<space>have<space>to<space>look<space>for<space>them.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 559.44 4.24 And<space>the<space>diversity<space>of<space>fish<space>is<space>just<space>not<space>there.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 564.00 16.16 I<space>hate<space>to<space>speak<space>negatively<space>about<space>Honolua<space>bay,<space>but<space>being<space>that<space>it's<space>a<space>marine<space>preserve,<space>you're<space>not<space>seeing<space>the<space>numbers<space>and<space>the<space>amounts<space>of<space>fish<space>that<space>should<space>reflect<space>the<space>marine<space>preserve<space>at<space>this<space>time.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 580.88 2.40 We're<space>working<space>on<space>getting<space>it<space>better.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 583.44 15.76 And<space>that<space>being<space>said,<space>there's<space>not<space>much<space>that<space>we<space>individually<space>can<space>do<space>for<space>climate<space>change<space>and<space>we<space>can<space>try<space>and<space>change<space>the<space>way<space>that<space>business<space>does<space>business.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 599.60 18.16 I<space>read<space>a<space>report<space>that<space>people<space>that<space>are<space>making<space>salt,<space>ocean<space>salt,<space>not<space>even<space>refined<space>iodized<space>salt,<space>are<space>finding<space>plastic<space>in<space>their<space>salt<space>nowadays,<space>because<space>there's<space>so<space>much<space>little<space>pieces<space>of<space>plastic<space>in<space>the<space>ocean.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 617.76 2.96 I<space>can<space>try<space>forward<space>you<space>that<space>at<space>a<space>later<space>date.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 620.72 11.36 I<space>wasn't<space>prepared<space>but,<space>that<space>was<space>sent<space>to<space>me<space>by<space>a<space>world<space>expert<space>toxicologist,<space>Craig<space>Downs,<space>that<space>you<space>can't<space>even<space>make<space>salt<space>off<space>the<space>ocean<space>anymore<space>without<space>finding<space>little<space>pieces<space>of<space>plastic.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 632.08 11.52 So<space>I<space>would<space>urge<space>you<space>to<space>take<space>action<space>and<space>try<space>and<space>stop<space>the<space>sale<space>of<space>microbeads<space>in<space>our<space>products<space>that<space>they<space>sell<space>in<space>this<space>island<space>environment.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 643.68 5.68 Try<space>to<space>stop<space>the<space>sale<space>of<space>sunscreens<space>that<space>have<space>oxybenzone<space>or<space>ebobenzone.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 649.36 5.28 They're<space>just<space>small<space>little<space>things<space>that<space>we<space>can<space>do,<space>promote<space>the<space>use<space>of<space>rash<space>guards.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 654.80 9.12 And<space>it<space>will<space>make<space>a<space>big<space>difference<space>if<space>everybody<space>gets<space>on<space>the<space>same<space>page<space>and<space>makes<space>our<space>oceans<space>and<space>our<space>marine<space>life<space>a<space>priority.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 664.08 0.88 Thank<space>you.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 665.44 1.28 Thank<space>you,<space>Ms.<space>Paulton.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 666.72 2.80 Members,<space>any<space>need<space>for<space>clarification<space>of<space>our<space>testifier?
+IEM_11-16-15 1 669.68 0.88 See<space>none.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 670.64 2.08 Thank<space>you<space>for<space>your<space>time,<space>Ms.<space>Paulton.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 673.28 2.96 Okay<space>and<space>let's<space>check<space>in<space>with<space>our<space>district<space>offices.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 676.32 4.40 In<space>Hana,<space>Ms.<space>Lono,<space>do<space>you<space>have<space>any<space>testifiers?
+IEM_11-16-15 1 682.08 1.44 Ms.<space>Lono,<space>Hana.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 683.52 0.32 Hello?
+IEM_11-16-15 1 683.84 0.40 Are<space>you<space>there?
+IEM_11-16-15 1 684.24 8.88 Yes,<space>this<space>is<space>Don<space>Lono<space>at<space>the<space>Hana<space>office<space>and<space>there's<space>no<space>one<space>waiting<space>to<space>testify.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 693.12 0.88 Thank<space>you.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 694.24 5.12 In<space>Lonai,<space>Ms.<space>Fernandez,<space>anyone<space>there<space>to<space>testify?
+IEM_11-16-15 1 699.36 3.12 There's<space>no<space>one<space>waiting<space>to<space>testify<space>on<space>Lonai.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 702.56 1.84 Thank<space>you,<space>and<space>on<space>Molokai?
+IEM_11-16-15 1 704.40 3.04 Ms.<space>Elkon,<space>anyone<space>there<space>to<space>testify?
+IEM_11-16-15 1 707.92 3.04 There's<space>no<space>one<space>her<space>on<space>Molokai<space>waiting<space>to<space>testify.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 711.12 2.24 Thank<space>you<space>ladies<space>for<space>being<space>there.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 713.68 6.00 And<space>anyone<space>else<space>in<space>the<space>gallery<space>here<space>wanting<space>to<space>testify,<space>please<space>come<space>down<space>to<space>the<space>podium.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 719.84 2.24 I<space>don't<space>see<space>anyone.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 722.24 5.76 So<space>members,<space>without<space>objections,<space>I<space>shall<space>now<space>close<space>the<space>floor<space>for<space>public<space>testimony.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 728.00 0.96 No<space>objections.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 729.04 1.20 Thank<space>you<space>very<space>much.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 730.40 15.68 And<space>let's<space>get<space>onto<space>our<space>first<space>item<space>and<space>this<space>will<space>be<space>IEM<space>27<space>and<space>this<space>is<space>the...
+IEM_11-16-15 1 746.08 22.16 And<space>it's<space>in<space>regards<space>to<space>the<space>resolution<space>15-19,<space>that<space>we<space>adopted<space>on<space>February<space>18th,<space>2015,<space>which<space>we,<space>the<space>council<space>recognized<space>the<space>importance<space>of<space>saving,<space>protecting,<space>and<space>enhancing<space>the<space>reef<space>ecosystems<space>of<space>Maui<space>County<space>for<space>their<space>cultural,<space>ecological,<space>subsistence<space>and<space>economic<space>benefits.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 768.40 10.64 And<space>as<space>we<space>had<space>our<space>testifiers<space>come,<space>we've<space>invited<space>back<space>Maui<space>Nui<space>Marine<space>Resource<space>Council<space>to<space>serve<space>as<space>resource<space>persons,<space>for<space>this<space>committee's<space>discussion<space>here<space>today.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 779.12 6.48 And<space>last<space>time<space>they<space>were<space>here<space>was<space>nine<space>months<space>ago<space>on<space>February<space>2nd,<space>2015.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 785.76 5.60 So<space>I<space>know<space>we<space>will<space>probably<space>have<space>to<space>set<space>the<space>room<space>up<space>for<space>all<space>of<space>them<space>to<space>come<space>and<space>sit<space>with<space>us.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 791.76 2.40 Let<space>me<space>read<space>the<space>county<space>communication.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 794.32 29.04 It<space>is<space>county<space>communication,<space>13-303<space>from<space>myself<space>transmitting<space>a<space>proposed<space>Rezo<space>relating<space>to<space>coral<space>reef<space>recovery<space>plan<space>for<space>Maui<space>County<space>and<space>correspondence<space>was<space>dated<space>December<space>16th,<space>2013<space>from<space>myself,<space>transmitting<space>a<space>report<space>from<space>Maui<space>Coral<space>reef<space>recovery<space>team,<space>entitled,<space>A<space>practical<space>plan<space>for<space>the<space>technical<space>and<space>cultural<space>restoration<space>of<space>Maui's<space>Coral<space>reefs.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 823.44 14.48 And<space>this<space>correspondence<space>dated<space>October<space>28th,<space>2015<space>from<space>Robin<space>Newbold,<space>Chair<space>of<space>Maui<space>Nui<space>Marine<space>Resource<space>Council<space>and<space>discuss<space>the...
+IEM_11-16-15 1 837.92 0.48 Wait.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 838.48 0.88 Oh,<space>sorry.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 839.60 7.20 Maui<space>Nui's<space>transmitting<space>report<space>entitled,<space>"Maui's<space>Coral<space>Reefs<space>Declining<space>Trends:1993<space>to<space>2015".
+IEM_11-16-15 1 846.96 4.16 So<space>with<space>that<space>members,<space>we<space>shall<space>take<space>a<space>brief<space>recess.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 851.12 5.52 So<space>we<space>may<space>set<space>up<space>the<space>floor<space>to<space>bring<space>down<space>our<space>panelists<space>and<space>have<space>a<space>presentation<space>and<space>some<space>discussion.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 856.72 1.76 We<space>are<space>now<space>in<space>a<space>brief<space>recess.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 859.04 4.00 Infrastructure<space>Environmental<space>Management<space>Committee,<space>please<space>reconvene.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 863.04 2.56 And<space>thank<space>you<space>panelists<space>for<space>being<space>here.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 865.60 5.92 And<space>let<space>me<space>just<space>briefly<space>say<space>who<space>we<space>have<space>available.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 872.32 4.96 We<space>have<space>Teagan<space>Hammon,<space>Maui<space>Coral<space>Reef<space>recovery<space>Plan<space>Coordinator.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 877.52 3.60 I<space>guess<space>their<space>names<space>are<space>pretty<space>boldly<space>shown<space>in<space>front<space>of<space>them.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 881.52 5.60 Mike<space>Fields,<space>Senior<space>Scientist,<space>Emiratis<space>U.S<space>Geological<space>Survey.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 887.44 1.68 Aloha,<space>thank<space>you<space>for<space>being<space>here.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 889.20 4.64 Ekulu<space>Lindsey,<space>Polanui<space>Hugh,<space>community<space>manage<space>Makai<space>area.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 894.16 9.60 Russell<space>Sparks,<space>Maui<space>Division<space>of<space>Aquatic<space>Resources<space>and<space>Mark<space>Decos,<space>Director,<space>Hawaii<space>Association<space>for<space>Marine<space>Education<space>and<space>Research.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 903.92 14.32 And<space>today's<space>discussion,<space>we<space>shall<space>be<space>given<space>a<space>presentation<space>and<space>then<space>we<space>can<space>follow<space>up<space>with<space>questions<space>and<space>definitely<space>some<space>discussions<space>as<space>a<space>committee<space>with<space>our<space>panelists<space>here<space>today.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 918.32 6.08 So<space>I<space>shall<space>turn<space>the<space>floor<space>over,<space>I<space>guess<space>to<space>yourself,<space>Teagan,<space>you're<space>gonna<space>take<space>the<space>lead<space>on<space>this<space>one?
+IEM_11-16-15 1 924.80 0.40 Yes.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 925.36 3.12 Okay,<space>do<space>we<space>have<space>microphones?
+IEM_11-16-15 1 928.88 3.76 Yeah,<space>I<space>think<space>it's<space>a<space>portable<space>that<space>can<space>hand<space>around.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 932.72 1.68 Can<space>you<space>guys<space>hear<space>me?
+IEM_11-16-15 1 934.56 1.28 Great,<space>okay.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 936.08 5.60 Thank<space>you<space>so<space>much,<space>everybody<space>for<space>having<space>us<space>here<space>and<space>your<space>attention<space>on<space>this<space>really<space>important<space>topic.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 942.24 1.44 My<space>name<space>is<space>Teagan<space>Hammond.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 943.68 5.12 I<space>work<space>for<space>a<space>Maui<space>Nui<space>Marine<space>Resource<space>Council,<space>coordinating<space>the<space>implementation<space>of<space>the<space>coral<space>recovery<space>team.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 948.80 8.24 And<space>I<space>really<space>sit<space>here<space>on<space>behalf<space>of<space>much<space>greater<space>minds<space>than<space>myself,<space>that<space>represent<space>the<space>members<space>of<space>the<space>council<space>and<space>the<space>recovery<space>team.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 957.28 3.76 Their<space>names<space>are<space>listed<space>on<space>the<space>back<space>of<space>the<space>reef<space>report<space>that<space>you<space>received.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 961.12 7.60 And<space>I<space>encourage<space>you<space>to<space>familiarize<space>yourself<space>with<space>who<space>the<space>members<space>are,<space>as<space>I'll<space>do<space>my<space>humble<space>best<space>to<space>represent<space>their<space>voices<space>here.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 969.12 11.28 The<space>recovery<space>team<space>and<space>the<space>council<space>endeavored<space>in<space>the<space>last<space>few<space>months<space>to<space>write<space>a<space>report,<space>which<space>summarizes<space>a<space>diverse<space>set<space>of<space>data,<space>over<space>the<space>last<space>15<space>years<space>of<space>what's<space>happening<space>in<space>our<space>reefs.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 980.48 4.88 That's<space>really<space>hard<space>for<space>you<space>guys<space>to<space>go<space>out<space>and<space>find<space>all<space>that<space>information<space>and<space>summarize<space>it<space>in<space>one<space>place.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 985.36 16.16 And<space>so<space>the<space>report<space>that<space>we've<space>just<space>presented<space>with<space>you<space>represents<space>that<space>summary,<space>and<space>we<space>encourage<space>you<space>guys<space>to<space>use<space>this<space>as<space>a<space>resource<space>and<space>offer<space>it<space>to<space>you<space>as<space>a<space>resource<space>that<space>you<space>guys<space>can<space>use<space>to<space>quote,<space>as<space>you're<space>talking<space>and<space>having<space>your<space>conversations<space>with<space>folks<space>as<space>well.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1002.24 5.44 Appreciate<space>your<space>feedback,<space>if<space>you<space>have<space>any<space>in<space>ways<space>that<space>we<space>can<space>help<space>make<space>this<space>more<space>useful<space>for<space>you<space>in<space>the<space>future.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1008.56 0.96 Let's<space>see.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1009.92 9.04 So<space>for<space>each<space>of<space>the<space>speakers<space>here<space>before<space>you,<space>we've<space>assigned<space>ourselves<space>to<space>address<space>one<space>of<space>the<space>five<space>bullets<space>of<space>recommendations<space>that<space>have<space>been<space>made.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1019.28 2.00 Mine<space>will<space>be<space>starting<space>at<space>the<space>end.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1021.36 5.28 Number<space>five,<space>to<space>promote<space>a<space>collaborative<space>approach<space>to<space>marine<space>resource<space>management<space>around<space>Maui.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1026.72 9.60 And<space>this<space>involves<space>having<space>briefings<space>and<space>building<space>partnerships<space>and<space>lines<space>of<space>communication<space>with<space>each<space>of<space>you,<space>including<space>developers<space>and<space>everybody<space>in<space>our<space>community.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1037.28 6.80 Today,<space>we're<space>gonna<space>challenge<space>you<space>with<space>these<space>facts<space>and<space>provide<space>solutions<space>to<space>discuss<space>and<space>identify<space>ways<space>forward<space>we<space>can<space>work<space>together<space>on.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1044.16 11.28 And<space>we<space>really<space>hope<space>to<space>open<space>up<space>continued<space>discussions<space>with<space>each<space>of<space>you<space>guys<space>for<space>your<space>input<space>on<space>how<space>we<space>can<space>make<space>these<space>solutions<space>more<space>practical<space>and<space>realistic<space>in<space>our<space>day-to-day.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1055.92 14.96 So<space>quickly<space>just<space>going<space>through<space>the<space>report,<space>as<space>Robin<space>really<space>greatly<space>mentioned,<space>we<space>have<space>a<space>summary<space>that's<space>just<space>a<space>single<space>page<space>and<space>it<space>has<space>the<space>five<space>bullet<space>points<space>of<space>the<space>issues<space>that<space>we're<space>facing<space>and<space>recommended<space>solutions,<space>which<space>each<space>of<space>the<space>speakers<space>will<space>address.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1070.96 2.24 So<space>I'm<space>quickly<space>going<space>to<space>read<space>these<space>for<space>you.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1073.44 9.92 During<space>the<space>past<space>two<space>decades,<space>nearly<space>one<space>quarter<space>of<space>Maui's<space>corals<space>have<space>been<space>lost<space>of<space>the<space>site<space>surveyed,<space>with<space>half<space>of<space>Maui's<space>reef<space>sites<space>currently<space>experiencing<space>declining<space>health.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1083.52 5.28 As<space>a<space>note,<space>these<space>are<space>very<space>highly<space>advanced<space>rates<space>of<space>decline.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1089.04 1.36 This<space>is<space>not<space>normal.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1090.64 9.60 Since<space>1995,<space>the<space>biomass<space>or<space>mount<space>by<space>weight<space>of<space>culturally<space>and<space>economically<space>important<space>reef<space>fish<space>species<space>found<space>on<space>Maui<space>has<space>declined<space>significantly.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1100.48 4.80 We<space>are<space>now<space>second<space>in<space>line<space>behind<space>Oahu<space>as<space>the<space>lowest<space>in<space>the<space>state.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1106.32 5.44 The<space>average<space>amount<space>of<space>reef<space>fish<space>found<space>around<space>Maui's<space>reefs<space>is<space>second<space>lowest<space>of<space>all<space>the<space>islands<space>in<space>the<space>state.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1111.92 1.12 That's<space>the<space>third<space>point.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1113.20 12.40 Nearly<space>90%<space>of<space>water<space>quality<space>samples<space>taken<space>around<space>Maui<space>in<space>the<space>period<space>of<space>2012<space>to<space>2014,<space>have<space>exceeded<space>state<space>water<space>quality<space>standards<space>for<space>turbidity,<space>nutrients<space>and<space>or<space>bacteria.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1126.64 4.80 As<space>you<space>all<space>know,<space>water<space>quality<space>is<space>extremely<space>important<space>for<space>the<space>health<space>of<space>our<space>reefs.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1132.16 7.84 The<space>economic<space>value<space>of<space>our<space>state's<space>coral<space>reefs<space>was<space>estimated<space>in<space>2002<space>at<space>$10<space>billion.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1140.24 4.80 So<space>this<space>is<space>a<space>very<space>important<space>issue<space>for<space>all<space>factors.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1146.48 8.48 The<space>value<space>that<space>American<space>people<space>hold<space>for<space>our<space>reefs<space>in<space>Hawaii<space>is<space>up<space>at<space>$33.57<space>billion.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1155.20 5.12 So<space>these<space>impacts<space>are<space>extremely<space>important<space>for<space>us<space>to<space>address<space>now.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1161.20 4.72 The<space>three<space>primary<space>drivers<space>are<space>the<space>final<space>bullet<space>on<space>the<space>issues<space>we're<space>facing.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1166.40 7.68 The<space>impacts<space>that<space>we're<space>seeing<space>are<space>due<space>to<space>introduction<space>of<space>land-based<space>pollutants<space>and<space>sediments,<space>overfishing,<space>coupled<space>with<space>poor<space>regulation<space>and<space>enforcement.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1174.16 8.16 And<space>the<space>third<space>is<space>insufficient<space>resting<space>sites<space>providing<space>adequate<space>time<space>for<space>recovery<space>from<space>the<space>stresses<space>that<space>our<space>oceans<space>receive.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1184.72 14.40 Excuse<space>me,<space>the<space>next<space>section,<space>the<space>five<space>bullet<space>points<space>of<space>recommended<space>health<space>that<space>each<space>of<space>these<space>speakers<space>will<space>address<space>is<space>the<space>need<space>for<space>building<space>capacity<space>at<space>a<space>community<space>level<space>to<space>engage<space>communities<space>through<space>the<space>CMMA<space>process.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1200.08 2.40 Equally,<space>we'll<space>talk<space>more<space>about<space>that.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1202.96 7.28 Enhancing<space>enforcement<space>of<space>current<space>rules<space>and<space>regulations<space>within<space>Maui's<space>coastal<space>waters<space>is<space>something<space>that<space>fishermen<space>themselves<space>as<space>well<space>call<space>for.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1210.88 8.00 Expanding<space>the<space>network<space>of<space>coral<space>reef<space>areas<space>under<space>protection<space>around<space>Maui<space>with<space>a<space>target<space>of<space>protecting<space>20%<space>by<space>2020.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1218.88 2.48 Right<space>now<space>we're<space>at<space>less<space>than<space>2%.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1222.16 4.40 Comparatively<space>to<space>the<space>world,<space>this<space>is<space>very<space>low<space>than<space>other<space>places<space>in<space>the<space>nation.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1227.20 3.60 Implement<space>policies<space>and<space>practices<space>to<space>reduce<space>flow<space>of<space>sediment<space>and<space>nutrients.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1230.88 5.76 Mark<space>will<space>address<space>that<space>and<space>promoting<space>a<space>collaborative<space>approach<space>to<space>marine<space>resource<space>management<space>around<space>Maui.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1236.64 4.80 I'm<space>hopeful<space>that<space>our<space>conversations<space>can<space>continue<space>and<space>we<space>can<space>keep<space>figuring<space>out<space>ways<space>forward.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1242.24 3.04 This<space>photo<space>is<space>actually<space>where<space>Tamara<space>was<space>discussing.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1245.28 3.44 This<space>is<space>Fleming's<space>beach<space>park,<space>at<space>a<space>recent<space>brown<space>water<space>event.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1248.72 10.80 This<space>photo<space>is<space>taken<space>after<space>a<space>stop<space>work<space>order<space>was<space>lifted<space>for<space>a<space>Project<space>Moka<space>and<space>as<space>you<space>can<space>see,<space>it's<space>very<space>alarming,<space>not<space>a<space>great<space>place<space>to<space>get<space>in<space>the<space>water.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1260.48 2.88 With<space>that,<space>I'm<space>gonna<space>pass<space>the<space>mic.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1263.52 2.96 These<space>pictures<space>up<space>here<space>just<space>show<space>you<space>guys<space>the<space>reef<space>report.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1266.48 7.28 And<space>as<space>you<space>all<space>have<space>copies,<space>I'm<space>gonna<space>skip<space>by<space>them,<space>and<space>pass<space>the<space>mic<space>to<space>Dr.<space>Mike<space>Field.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1274.64 0.56 Thank<space>you.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1275.28 6.48 Thank<space>you,<space>T.<space>Aloha<space>and<space>thank<space>you<space>for<space>the<space>opportunity<space>to<space>sit<space>here<space>today<space>and<space>talk<space>to<space>you.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1282.08 8.96 In<space>brief,<space>what<space>I'm<space>going<space>to<space>do,<space>is<space>show<space>you<space>a<space>series<space>of<space>slides<space>and<space>talk<space>about<space>many<space>of<space>the<space>things<space>you<space>know,<space>but<space>I<space>want<space>to<space>review<space>why<space>coral<space>reefs<space>are<space>so<space>important.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1291.36 1.76 What's<space>happening<space>to<space>them<space>today?
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1293.28 7.84 And<space>very<space>importantly,<space>what<space>the<space>important<space>actions<space>are<space>that<space>you<space>can<space>take<space>to<space>change<space>the<space>direction<space>of<space>the<space>way<space>things<space>are<space>going.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1301.52 9.28 So<space>the<space>role<space>of<space>coral<space>reefs,<space>first<space>of<space>all,<space>biodiversity,<space>an<space>extremely<space>important<space>function<space>that<space>they<space>provide<space>all<space>over<space>the<space>world.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1311.60 6.08 They<space>cover<space>only<space>a<space>half<space>a<space>percent<space>of<space>the<space>sea<space>floor,<space>but<space>25%<space>of<space>all<space>marine<space>species.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1317.92 8.88 Food<space>source,<space>a<space>primary<space>source<space>of<space>protein<space>for<space>most<space>island<space>nations<space>and<space>a<space>nursery<space>for<space>the<space>commercial<space>species,<space>this<space>one<space>off<space>shore.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1327.68 6.24 Coastal<space>resilience<space>protecting<space>against<space>tsunamis<space>and<space>large<space>storms<space>and<space>there<space>are<space>other<space>roles<space>that<space>coral<space>reefs<space>play<space>as<space>well.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1334.32 4.48 cultural<space>and<space>recreational<space>and<space>there<space>are<space>many,<space>many,<space>they<space>are<space>very<space>important.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1339.44 4.72 So<space>what<space>we<space>know<space>is<space>that<space>there's<space>a<space>worldwide<space>crisis<space>going<space>on<space>with<space>coral<space>reefs.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1344.16 3.76 It<space>started<space>in<space>the<space>mid<space>80s<space>and<space>it<space>started<space>accelerating<space>in<space>the<space>mid<space>nineties.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1348.16 9.84 There<space>are<space>many<space>causes,<space>but<space>the<space>main<space>cause<space>is<space>by<space>far<space>are<space>unsustainable<space>fishing,<space>which<space>moves<space>the<space>larger<space>herbivores<space>from<space>the<space>population<space>reefs.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1358.40 8.48 Land-based<space>pollution<space>and<space>that<space>really<space>means<space>sediment<space>runoff<space>from<space>island<space>watersheds,<space>and<space>now<space>climate<space>change.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1366.88 0.96 These<space>are<space>the<space>big<space>three.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1367.84 10.64 There<space>are<space>other<space>things<space>that<space>can<space>harm<space>reefs,<space>but<space>they're<space>just<space>bumps<space>and<space>cuts<space>and<space>bruises<space>compared<space>to<space>these<space>are<space>the<space>three<space>that<space>are<space>starting<space>to<space>wipe<space>out<space>coral<space>reefs<space>around<space>the<space>world.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1379.92 2.80 And<space>now<space>we<space>know<space>this<space>problem<space>has<space>arrived<space>in<space>Hawaii.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1382.72 8.00 It<space>hadn't<space>for<space>a<space>while<space>because<space>there<space>are<space>colder<space>waters<space>here,<space>but<space>now<space>of<space>course,<space>runoff<space>and<space>sedimentation<space>has<space>been<space>a<space>problem<space>for<space>a<space>number<space>of<space>years.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1390.80 11.52 There<space>are<space>some<space>pictures<space>from<space>south<space>Molokai<space>and<space>the<space>West<space>Maui,<space>but<space>more<space>to<space>the<space>telling<space>of<space>the<space>pictures<space>that<space>have<space>appeared<space>recently<space>in<space>the<space>press,<space>The<space>one<space>on<space>the<space>left<space>is<space>from<space>the<space>Seattle<space>Times.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1402.40 4.48 This<space>is<space>not<space>just<space>Hawaii<space>News,<space>this<space>is<space>a<space>worldwide<space>news,<space>what's<space>been<space>happening<space>here.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1406.96 3.84 The<space>other<space>pictures<space>from<space>iconic<space>places<space>of<space>Maui.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1411.36 3.84 Molokini<space>and<space>Olowalu<space>and<space>many,<space>many<space>others.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1416.80 6.72 Why<space>this<space>matters,<space>and<space>I<space>think<space>everybody<space>here<space>is<space>well<space>aware<space>of<space>it,<space>but<space>the<space>point<space>is<space>that<space>dead<space>reefs<space>are<space>quickly<space>flattened.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1423.60 8.40 Here's<space>a<space>picture<space>of<space>reefs<space>that<space>are<space>bleached<space>from<space>the<space>great<space>barrier<space>reef<space>in<space>Australia,<space>and<space>then<space>destroyed.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1432.16 2.32 When<space>they're<space>destroyed,<space>sediment<space>covers<space>them.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1434.56 2.72 The<space>reef<space>will<space>not<space>come<space>back,<space>it<space>is<space>gone.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1438.00 7.04 And<space>this<space>is<space>a<space>lesson<space>that<space>there<space>are<space>places<space>I<space>could<space>show<space>you<space>on<space>the<space>north<space>shore<space>of<space>Lanai,<space>where<space>the<space>reefs<space>are<space>gone<space>and<space>they're<space>not<space>coming<space>back.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1445.20 2.56 Same<space>thing<space>on<space>south<space>shore<space>of<space>Molokai.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1448.64 2.88 So<space>we<space>lose<space>probably<space>forever.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1451.76 9.60 Habitat<space>proficient<space>invertebrates,<space>barriers<space>for<space>storm<space>protection,<space>sites<space>for<space>family<space>and<space>community<space>recreation.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1462.48 7.44 The<space>result<space>of<space>this<space>is<space>the<space>economic<space>and<space>cultural<space>value,<space>will<space>be<space>greatly<space>reduced<space>within<space>one<space>generation.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1470.00 4.48 We're<space>not<space>talking<space>about<space>the<space>year<space>2060,<space>2080,<space>2050.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1474.56 3.12 This<space>is<space>happening<space>now,<space>and<space>it's<space>going<space>to<space>happen<space>fast.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1479.12 21.20 The<space>Chair<space>of<space>DNIR,<space>Suzanne<space>Case<space>recently<space>made<space>the<space>statement<space>that,<space>if<space>we<space>fail<space>to<space>protect<space>the<space>coral<space>reefs<space>and<space>lose<space>them,<space>negative<space>impacts<space>on<space>the<space>overall<space>ocean<space>ecosystem<space>and<space>on<space>Hawaii's<space>economy.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1501.04 2.32 So<space>let's<space>look<space>at<space>these<space>just<space>for<space>a<space>minute.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1503.60 4.16 The<space>maps<space>up<space>here<space>are<space>the<space>four<space>islands<space>and<space>Maui<space>Nui<space>show<space>you<space>red<space>and<space>yellow.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1508.00 4.16 The<space>yellow<space>is<space>more<space>than<space>10%,<space>but<space>less<space>than<space>50%<space>live<space>coral.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1512.16 2.08 The<space>red<space>is<space>50<space>to<space>90%.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1514.40 4.08 You<space>won't<space>find<space>maps<space>like<space>this<space>in<space>Florida,<space>or<space>most<space>places<space>in<space>the<space>Caribbean.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1518.56 2.88 They<space>think<space>10%<space>is<space>a<space>lot<space>of<space>coral<space>coverage.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1521.52 4.72 Hawaii<space>is<space>very<space>lucky,<space>but<space>the<space>numbers<space>are<space>changing<space>and<space>they're<space>changing<space>right<space>before<space>our<space>eyes.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1526.32 8.72 So<space>what<space>I've<space>done<space>here<space>on<space>this<space>map<space>is<space>map<space>out<space>nine<space>reef<space>tracks<space>that<space>total<space>almost<space>15,000<space>acres,<space>a<space>really<space>enriched<space>coral.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1535.52 6.64 Three,<space>South<space>Molokai,<space>two,<space>Lanai,<space>and<space>the<space>other<space>four<space>Maui.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1543.28 9.68 Kolabi,<space>even<space>though<space>it<space>shows<space>red,<space>recent<space>mapping<space>there<space>shows<space>that<space>those<space>percentages<space>are<space>overstated<space>and<space>there's<space>not<space>much<space>coral<space>in<space>those<space>locations.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1553.12 4.08 So<space>we<space>look<space>at<space>these<space>and<space>we<space>say<space>that<space>there's<space>a<space>lot<space>there.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1557.76 5.04 It's<space>a<space>very<space>complex,<space>very<space>rich<space>reefs<space>and<space>there's<space>a<space>lot<space>of<space>it.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1563.04 2.56 But<space>they're<space>all<space>starting<space>to<space>suffer<space>these<space>impacts.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1566.00 1.28 What<space>can<space>we<space>do<space>about<space>it?
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1567.36 3.28 We<space>can<space>look<space>at<space>it<space>and<space>start<space>to<space>protect<space>areas<space>of<space>it.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1570.64 8.48 There<space>are<space>many<space>ways<space>to<space>offer<space>protection<space>from<space>community-based<space>up<space>to<space>MPAs,<space>but<space>protect<space>it<space>is<space>the<space>only<space>way<space>that<space>it's<space>gonna<space>survive.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1579.52 4.08 What<space>we<space>know<space>about<space>it,<space>these<space>reefs<space>is...
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1583.68 4.96 We<space>have<space>have<space>enough<space>information,<space>you<space>have<space>enough<space>information<space>to<space>make<space>intelligent<space>decisions<space>today.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1588.88 3.28 We<space>know<space>the<space>percentage<space>of<space>coral<space>cover<space>on<space>the<space>reefs.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1592.40 4.32 We<space>know<space>the<space>detailed<space>topography,<space>we<space>know<space>the<space>fish<space>populations.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1597.20 8.80 We<space>can<space>make<space>maps<space>that<space>show<space>the<space>distribution<space>of<space>coral,<space>where<space>it<space>is<space>and<space>what's<space>being<space>used<space>and<space>how<space>to<space>best<space>treat<space>it<space>in<space>the<space>future.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1606.16 7.60 Give<space>you<space>an<space>example<space>of<space>that,<space>here<space>is<space>the<space>iconic<space>Olowalu<space>Reef<space>Track<space>and<space>the<space>map<space>above<space>it<space>shows<space>the<space>results<space>of<space>some<space>computer<space>models.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1613.84 13.84 We've<space>also<space>done<space>actual<space>satellite<space>test<space>models<space>during<space>the<space>larval<space>times<space>when<space>the<space>corals<space>are<space>spawning,<space>the<space>current<space>flow<space>from<space>Olowalu<space>along<space>West<space>Maui<space>and<space>over<space>to<space>Molokai.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1628.00 6.72 If<space>Olowalu<space>reef<space>dies,<space>so<space>might<space>West<space>Maui<space>and<space>part<space>of<space>Molokai.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1634.80 3.84 It<space>is<space>a<space>seed<space>as<space>a<space>mother<space>reef<space>for<space>many<space>of<space>these<space>other<space>reefs.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1639.52 5.84 So<space>given<space>the<space>ongoing<space>and<space>increasing<space>threats<space>to<space>Mai<space>Nui<space>Coral<space>Reef<space>Complex,<space>can<space>anything<space>be<space>done?
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1645.44 4.88 And<space>we<space>would<space>say,<space>yes.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1654.72 3.20 Reducing<space>all<space>stressors,<space>other<space>stressors.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1658.72 3.36 Over<space>fishing<space>and<space>runoff<space>and<space>climate.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1662.16 3.76 If<space>we<space>can't<space>stop<space>climate,<space>we<space>can<space>at<space>least<space>take<space>the<space>other<space>two<space>out<space>of<space>the<space>picture.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1666.00 5.76 Give<space>the<space>corals<space>a<space>chance,<space>establish<space>a<space>safe<space>place<space>where<space>they<space>can<space>battle<space>the<space>climate<space>change<space>as<space>best<space>they<space>can.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1671.84 10.16 Setting<space>aside<space>15<space>to<space>20%<space>or<space>more,<space>so<space>the<space>fish<space>can<space>grow<space>and<space>and<space>corals<space>can<space>fight<space>warming,<space>is<space>the<space>only<space>way.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1682.16 2.00 This<space>has<space>been<space>recognized<space>worldwide.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1684.48 8.08 Most<space>countries<space>have<space>anywhere<space>from<space>20<space>to<space>50%<space>of<space>their<space>coastal<space>waters<space>protected<space>now<space>and<space>it's<space>essential.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1694.48 2.80 I<space>can't<space>emphasize<space>this<space>enough,<space>there<space>is<space>no<space>other<space>choice.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1697.36 4.16 If<space>corals<space>are<space>gonna<space>survive<space>warming,<space>the<space>other<space>threats<space>have<space>to<space>be<space>taken<space>out<space>of<space>the<space>picture.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1701.68 10.56 And<space>just<space>to<space>give<space>you<space>an<space>idea<space>of<space>when<space>people<space>worried<space>about<space>protection,<space>this<space>is<space>a<space>map<space>of<space>Olowalu<space>and<space>there's<space>a<space>little<space>box,<space>maybe<space>not<space>even<space>very<space>visible<space>there,<space>that<space>represents<space>15%.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1712.32 2.00 So<space>it's<space>a<space>very,<space>very<space>large<space>reef.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1714.32 7.36 And<space>if<space>you<space>set<space>aside<space>15%,<space>there's<space>still<space>a<space>lot<space>of<space>reef<space>that<space>is<space>available<space>for<space>all<space>the<space>uses<space>that<space>we<space>like<space>to<space>think<space>of.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1723.60 4.16 Marine<space>protected<space>areas<space>are<space>important<space>for<space>fish,<space>as<space>well<space>as<space>for<space>the<space>corals.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1727.76 12.32 And<space>this<space>plot<space>from<space>Alan<space>Freelander<space>shows<space>very<space>clearly<space>that<space>there<space>areas<space>where<space>there's<space>pristine<space>seas,<space>shown<space>that<space>the<space>stars<space>have<space>much<space>higher<space>biomass,<space>than<space>areas<space>that<space>aren't.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1740.24 11.60 And<space>the<space>areas<space>that<space>aren't<space>the<space>small<space>green<space>boxes,<space>which<space>include<space>Hawaii<space>and<space>most<space>of<space>the<space>Caribbean<space>and<space>Western<space>Pacific,<space>those<space>small<space>boxes<space>make<space>up<space>more<space>than<space>99%<space>of<space>the<space>world's<space>reefs.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1752.96 3.12 The<space>large<space>fish<space>populations<space>have<space>been<space>decimated.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1756.16 3.44 And<space>so<space>go<space>the<space>coral<space>reefs<space>in<space>following<space>them.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1759.76 13.28 In<space>Hawaii,<space>the<space>open<space>to<space>fishing<space>and<space>partial<space>protection<space>shows<space>significantly<space>lower<space>biomass,<space>or<space>fish<space>population<space>than<space>no<space>take<space>and<space>community-based<space>protected<space>areas.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1774.64 7.52 We<space>know<space>enough<space>to<space>design<space>protection<space>areas<space>now,<space>we<space>know<space>that<space>full<space>protection<space>from<space>fishing<space>or<space>community<space>manage<space>is<space>essential.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1782.40 8.00 We<space>need<space>a<space>range<space>of<space>habitat<space>complexities<space>that<space>need<space>to<space>take<space>in<space>consideration<space>larval<space>trajectories<space>and<space>where<space>population<space>spawn.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1790.56 8.16 We<space>need<space>a<space>variety<space>of<space>habitats<space>from<space>shoreline<space>to<space>deep,<space>including<space>sand<space>channels,<space>rocky<space>areas,<space>everything's<space>possible.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1799.28 3.76 Low<space>of<space>algae<space>cover<space>and<space>representative<space>wave<space>exposures.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1803.52 8.96 And<space>finally,<space>I<space>would<space>add<space>that<space>MPAs<space>are<space>effective<space>tool<space>for<space>fisheries<space>and<space>conservation,<space>and<space>are<space>essential<space>for<space>coral<space>reefs.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1812.96 5.92 They<space>still<space>only<space>account<space>for<space>less<space>than<space>1%<space>of<space>the<space>oceans,<space>but<space>every<space>country<space>on<space>earth<space>is<space>starting<space>to<space>embrace<space>them.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1819.28 6.56 MPAs<space>are<space>most<space>effective<space>when<space>fishing<space>pressure's<space>high<space>nearby,<space>and<space>these<space>have<space>to<space>be<space>scaled<space>for<space>human<space>needs.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1826.40 5.20 And<space>I<space>would<space>end<space>by<space>saying<space>that<space>MPAs<space>will<space>give<space>you<space>more<space>fish<space>and<space>larger<space>fish.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1831.84 5.28 And<space>I<space>would<space>say<space>that<space>if<space>they<space>don't,<space>then<space>you<space>take<space>them<space>apart<space>and<space>don't<space>use<space>them<space>anymore,<space>but<space>they<space>will.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1837.20 1.84 They'll<space>give<space>more<space>fish<space>and<space>larger<space>fish.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1839.12 13.84 Whether<space>they<space>will<space>say<space>coral<space>reefs,<space>we<space>don't<space>know,<space>but<space>we<space>have<space>to<space>try,<space>because,<space>right<space>now<space>the<space>reefs<space>are<space>not<space>responding<space>to<space>all<space>the<space>pressures<space>and<space>we<space>have<space>to<space>remove<space>those<space>that<space>we<space>can<space>remove.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1853.36 1.92 Thank<space>you.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1856.96 3.44 Thank<space>you<space>Mr.<space>Field.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1861.04 0.72 Aloha.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1862.32 0.40 Aloha.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1863.04 12.80 I'll<space>be<space>speaking<space>about<space>the<space>building<space>the<space>capacity<space>and<space>increase<space>the<space>number<space>of<space>community<space>managed<space>marine<space>areas<space>around<space>Maui<space>to<space>implement<space>the<space>coral<space>reef<space>recovery<space>strategies<space>through<space>collaborative<space>efforts.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1876.64 3.44 So,<space>this<space>is<space>my<space>backyard,<space>Polanui<space>Hiu.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1880.08 3.76 Polanui<space>is<space>the<space>name<space>of<space>the<space>Ahupuaa<space>that<space>we<space>live<space>in.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1884.08 11.28 And<space>the<space>idea<space>of<space>bringing<space>back<space>balance<space>to<space>this<space>place<space>started<space>with<space>my<space>dad<space>at<space>Lindsey<space>and<space>my<space>son,<space>Kaelo,<space>riding<space>a<space>canoe,<space>looking<space>at<space>what<space>was<space>under<space>the<space>water.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1895.44 2.48 The<space>seed<space>was<space>planted<space>then<space>that<space>we<space>should<space>do<space>something.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1898.08 5.04 And<space>a<space>few<space>of<space>us<space>met<space>with<space>the<space>local<space>marine<space>managed<space>area,<space>the<space>Fijian<space>Consort<space>that<space>came<space>in.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1903.20 2.56 We<space>met<space>with<space>them<space>and<space>found<space>out<space>what<space>they<space>had<space>done.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1905.84 7.04 So<space>a<space>bunch<space>of<space>us<space>started<space>to<space>community<space>manage<space>Hakai<space>area,<space>and<space>we<space>have<space>since<space>grown<space>into<space>a<space>network.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1913.60 5.60 Roughly<space>speaking,<space>our<space>efforts<space>here<space>at<space>Polanui<space>have<space>been<space>ongoing<space>for<space>about<space>five<space>years.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1919.20 12.88 And<space>it<space>goes<space>from<space>where<space>Pumana<space>pool<space>is<space>to<space>between<space>Lahana<space>shores<space>in<space>505<space>Front<space>Street<space>and<space>it's<space>roughly<space>a<space>half<space>mile<space>off<space>coastline,<space>222<space>acres<space>out<space>to<space>about<space>60<space>feet<space>in<space>depth.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1932.56 8.16 And<space>bringing<space>back<space>down<space>as<space>to<space>this<space>area,<space>and<space>really<space>understanding<space>a<space>lot<space>of<space>the<space>stressors<space>to<space>it<space>has<space>been<space>real<space>challenging<space>for<space>the<space>last<space>five<space>years.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1940.72 14.08 So<space>we<space>are<space>working<space>towards<space>the<space>community-based<space>subsistence<space>fishing<space>area,<space>designation<space>through<space>DLNR,<space>and<space>trying<space>to<space>add<space>a<space>a<space>rest<space>period,<space>about<space>a<space>five-year<space>rest<space>period<space>to<space>bring<space>back<space>the<space>size<space>and<space>biodiversity<space>of<space>what<space>used<space>to<space>be.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1954.96 17.92 And<space>outreaching<space>to<space>the<space>many<space>different<space>groups<space>that<space>we<space>have<space>here<space>in<space>La<space>Haina<space>and<space>throughout<space>all<space>of<space>Maui<space>Nui<space>and<space>anybody,<space>future<space>leaders,<space>to<space>bring<space>back<space>balance<space>and<space>to<space>have<space>them<space>understand<space>why<space>it's<space>important<space>to<space>take<space>care<space>of<space>these<space>things,<space>because<space>they<space>were<space>there<space>long<space>before<space>us.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1973.28 10.08 We've<space>since<space>created<space>a<space>Maui<space>Nui<space>Makai<space>Network,<space>that<space>includes<space>six<space>different<space>groups.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1983.44 4.00 We<space>have<space>Namamu<space>Mules<space>and<space>Kipahulu<space>Ohana<space>in<space>Hana.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1987.68 6.48 Ourselves,<space>Polanui<space>in<space>Lahaina<space>as<space>well<space>as<space>Wailuku<space>Simeme<space>in<space>Kahalui<space>Harbor.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1994.16 3.60 And<space>you<space>can<space>see<space>the<space>points<space>right<space>here<space>on<space>the<space>map.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 1997.84 10.08 So<space>all<space>of<space>us<space>are<space>working<space>towards<space>bringing<space>balance<space>and<space>that<space>balance<space>really<space>is<space>us<space>and<space>the<space>humbug<space>we<space>make<space>an<space>ocean<space>in<space>the<space>mountains.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2008.16 6.48 So<space>correcting<space>these<space>things,<space>we<space>can<space>do<space>all<space>the<space>legwork<space>in<space>the<space>ocean<space>and<space>on<space>land.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2014.72 3.76 But<space>it's<space>not<space>without<space>the<space>political<space>will<space>that<space>we<space>can<space>be<space>successful.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2018.56 5.36 So<space>the<space>co-management<space>throughout<space>the<space>process<space>is<space>an<space>important<space>thing<space>for<space>us<space>to<space>work<space>towards.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2024.16 2.08 Haena<space>has<space>gotten<space>great<space>support.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2026.24 3.04 And<space>they're<space>the<space>first<space>on<space>the<space>books<space>for<space>a<space>CVSFA<space>designation.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2029.36 2.88 Their<space>mayor<space>had<space>supported<space>them<space>throughout<space>the<space>process.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2032.40 6.40 So<space>that<space>was<space>one<space>of<space>my<space>asks<space>here<space>is<space>to<space>have<space>the<space>support<space>from<space>you<space>folks,<space>as<space>well<space>as<space>the<space>mayor<space>to<space>move<space>forward.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2039.12 2.56 And<space>this<space>is<space>what<space>we've<space>done.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2043.36 7.76 It's<space>awesome<space>to<space>have<space>a<space>plan,<space>but<space>the<space>majority<space>of<space>these<space>plans<space>get<space>put<space>on<space>a<space>shelf.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2051.52 11.68 I<space>represent<space>the<space>people<space>who<space>can<space>do<space>something<space>with<space>that<space>plan,<space>make<space>it<space>happen<space>so<space>that<space>future<space>generations<space>can<space>enjoy<space>what<space>I<space>had<space>as<space>a<space>kid,<space>because<space>right<space>now<space>it's<space>barren.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2063.52 0.88 Get<space>fish.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2064.64 1.20 What<space>kind<space>of<space>small?
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2066.08 1.44 We<space>need<space>more<space>fish.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2067.76 11.12 Aloha.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2079.76 1.36 My<space>name<space>is<space>Russell<space>Sparks.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2081.12 2.32 I'm<space>with<space>the<space>Division<space>of<space>Aquatic<space>Resources.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2083.76 5.44 I've<space>been<space>working<space>here<space>on<space>Maui<space>with<space>the<space>division<space>for<space>about<space>18<space>years<space>now.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2089.44 9.20 And<space>what<space>I'm<space>going<space>to<space>do<space>today<space>is<space>I<space>want<space>to<space>just<space>quickly<space>go<space>through<space>some<space>relevant<space>information<space>about<space>Maui's<space>reefs.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2099.60 11.44 Talk<space>about<space>some<space>of<space>our<space>current<space>management<space>successes,<space>many<space>of<space>which<space>probably<space>happened<space>because<space>of<space>support<space>from<space>the<space>county<space>council<space>and<space>the<space>mayor<space>at<space>the<space>time<space>that<space>we<space>moved<space>them<space>forward.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2111.28 9.68 And<space>I<space>hope,<space>'cause<space>I<space>imagine<space>a<space>lot<space>of<space>you<space>are<space>questioning<space>well,<space>this<space>is<space>state<space>jurisdiction,<space>not<space>county<space>jurisdiction<space>so<space>how<space>do<space>we<space>help?
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2121.04 16.40 Well,<space>simple<space>as<space>resolutions<space>or<space>letters<space>of<space>support,<space>go<space>a<space>long<space>way<space>to<space>the<space>very<space>confrontational,<space>controversial<space>rule-making<space>process<space>oftentimes,<space>so<space>simple<space>things<space>like<space>that<space>could<space>have<space>a<space>huge<space>impact<space>as<space>well.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2137.68 2.64 So<space>I'll<space>go<space>through<space>some<space>of<space>what<space>we've<space>been<space>doing<space>on<space>Maui.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2140.40 11.92 I'll<space>touch<space>briefly<space>on<space>compliance<space>and<space>other<space>changes,<space>social<space>changes,<space>things<space>that<space>Sizikola<space>that<space>talked<space>about<space>within<space>the<space>communities<space>that<space>at<space>least<space>give<space>me<space>hope.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2152.64 4.40 And<space>I<space>think<space>it<space>gives<space>a<space>lot<space>of<space>people<space>hope<space>that<space>we<space>might<space>actually<space>move<space>forward.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2157.36 10.80 So<space>as<space>Dr.<space>Field<space>mentioned<space>there,<space>our<space>ongoing<space>stresses<space>with<space>our<space>research,<space>just<space>a<space>few,<space>some<space>disease,<space>bleaching,<space>algae<space>blooms<space>covering<space>the<space>reef.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2168.40 8.88 These<space>are<space>graphs<space>that<space>simplify<space>greatly<space>coral<space>cover<space>on<space>several<space>of<space>our<space>reefs<space>so<space>basically<space>all<space>they're<space>looking<space>at<space>is<space>the<space>percent<space>coral<space>cover.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2177.28 14.00 And<space>when<space>you<space>take<space>a<space>two-dimensional<space>picture<space>of<space>the<space>reef<space>over<space>time,<space>and<space>you<space>can<space>see<space>on<space>West<space>Maui<space>in<space>particular,<space>where<space>we're<space>doing<space>a<space>lot<space>of<space>management<space>efforts,<space>there<space>seems<space>to<space>be<space>a<space>fairly<space>substantial<space>decline<space>over<space>the<space>last<space>couple<space>of<space>decades.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2192.08 10.16 Other<space>areas<space>of<space>concern,<space>Maliah,<space>and<space>also<space>Papalula<space>Point<space>on<space>the<space>North<space>Shore,<space>showing<space>what<space>we<space>describe<space>as<space>a<space>total<space>collapse<space>of<space>our<space>reef<space>ecosystems<space>and<space>the<space>reasons<space>for<space>that<space>vary.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2202.88 1.36 I<space>don't<space>have<space>time<space>to<space>go<space>into<space>it.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2204.32 3.36 Usually<space>takes<space>me<space>a<space>couple<space>of<space>hours<space>to<space>delve<space>into<space>this<space>in<space>detail.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2207.68 8.56 So<space>we'll<space>avoid<space>that,<space>but<space>I<space>do<space>want<space>to<space>point<space>out,<space>'cause<space>we're<space>going<space>to<space>talk<space>about<space>resilience<space>in<space>the<space>face<space>of<space>stresses<space>and<space>negative<space>impacts<space>on<space>our<space>reef.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2216.32 5.60 I<space>want<space>to<space>point<space>out<space>the<space>bottom<space>graph,<space>which<space>is<space>Hana<space>point,<space>just<space>in<space>Wai'ahi<space>canal,<space>natural<space>area<space>reserve.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2222.32 7.60 In<space>2005,<space>there<space>was<space>a<space>bloom<space>of<space>crown<space>of<space>thorns,<space>sea<space>stars<space>and<space>those<space>guys<space>came<space>through<space>and<space>they<space>munched<space>pretty<space>much<space>most<space>of<space>the<space>coral<space>down.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2230.00 9.44 So<space>you<space>can<space>see<space>a<space>coral<space>decline<space>that<space>went<space>from<space>in<space>upper<space>20%,<space>probably<space>like<space>25<space>or<space>26%<space>down<space>to<space>less<space>than<space>10.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2239.44 2.24 Down<space>to<space>around<space>5%<space>in<space>some<space>places.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2241.84 4.72 But<space>then<space>over<space>the<space>subsequent<space>nine<space>years<space>or<space>so,<space>came<space>right<space>back<space>up<space>to<space>where<space>it<space>was<space>before.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2246.64 3.20 So<space>the<space>point<space>there<space>is<space>reefs<space>can<space>be<space>resilient.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2249.92 5.68 They<space>can<space>bounce<space>back,<space>they<space>can<space>deal<space>with<space>these<space>stresses,<space>but<space>Ahi<space>Canal<space>is<space>a<space>reserve.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2255.60 1.12 There's<space>no<space>efficient<space>allowance.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2256.72 2.88 So<space>there's<space>very<space>healthy<space>marine<space>fish<space>resources.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2259.68 6.56 It's<space>also<space>an<space>area<space>isolated<space>from<space>a<space>lot<space>of<space>the<space>land<space>impacts<space>that<space>we<space>have,<space>particularly<space>in<space>areas<space>where<space>people<space>live.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2266.48 5.52 So<space>that<space>helped<space>that<space>reef<space>ecosystem<space>bounce<space>back<space>from<space>that<space>stress.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2273.52 6.40 Moving<space>forward<space>today,<space>this<space>is<space>a<space>picture<space>from<space>a<space>Molokini,<space>looking<space>out<space>along<space>some<space>of<space>the<space>salt<space>benches<space>there.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2280.16 3.84 Every<space>single<space>coral<space>along<space>that<space>area<space>is<space>bleached.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2285.36 5.04 This<space>is<space>a<space>picture<space>taken<space>at<space>Olowalu<space>of<space>one<space>of<space>the<space>really<space>large,<space>old,<space>low<space>corals.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2290.40 2.48 Some<space>of<space>these<space>corals<space>are<space>four<space>to<space>500<space>years<space>old.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2293.04 8.64 And<space>when<space>you<space>see<space>them<space>bleach<space>out<space>like<space>this,<space>and<space>then<space>subsequently<space>current<space>photos<space>have<space>shown<space>this<space>coral<space>and<space>others<space>nearly<space>completely<space>overgrown<space>with<space>algae.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2301.76 9.52 So<space>you're<space>looking<space>at<space>a<space>coral<space>that<space>right<space>now,<space>what<space>it's<space>experiencing<space>today<space>is<space>worse<space>than<space>anything<space>it's<space>experienced<space>over<space>the<space>last<space>four<space>to<space>500<space>years.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2311.76 4.08 Where<space>we're<space>throwing<space>more<space>at<space>these<space>things<space>now<space>than<space>they've<space>seen<space>over<space>that<space>period<space>of<space>time.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2315.92 3.20 And<space>that's<space>really<space>alarming,<space>really<space>concerning.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2319.84 4.08 So<space>bleaching<space>this<space>year<space>was<space>the<space>worst<space>ever<space>recorded<space>in<space>Hawaii<space>and<space>you've<space>heard<space>this<space>already.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2324.24 7.84 This<space>is<space>actually<space>a<space>new<space>major<space>stress<space>for<space>our<space>corals<space>up<space>to<space>this<space>time<space>last<space>year,<space>there<space>was<space>some<space>bleaching,<space>but<space>this<space>year<space>was<space>much<space>worse.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2332.24 2.40 So<space>up<space>until<space>about<space>now<space>we've<space>heard<space>about<space>it.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2334.64 4.16 We've<space>worried<space>about<space>it,<space>we've<space>talked<space>about<space>it,<space>but<space>now<space>we're<space>experiencing<space>it.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2339.12 9.44 And<space>the<space>long-term<space>survival<space>of<space>these<space>corals<space>is<space>gonna<space>depend<space>quite<space>a<space>bit<space>on<space>the<space>ability<space>for<space>us<space>to<space>reduce<space>these<space>overall<space>stressors,<space>things<space>that<space>Dr.<space>Field<space>talked<space>about<space>already.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2348.80 8.40 What<space>I<space>want<space>to<space>talk<space>about<space>then<space>to<space>give<space>you<space>a<space>little<space>idea<space>of<space>what's<space>possible,<space>is<space>the<space>herbivore<space>fishery<space>management<space>area,<space>Kahekili.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2358.16 8.24 Prior<space>to<space>implementing<space>this<space>site,<space>we<space>were<space>seeing<space>coral<space>cover<space>that<space>was<space>up<space>around<space>50,<space>60%<space>rapidly<space>declined<space>down<space>to<space>the<space>30s.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2366.72 11.44 And<space>we<space>were<space>noticing<space>periodic<space>blooms<space>of<space>algae,<space>which<space>was<space>providing<space>probably<space>the<space>majority<space>of<space>the<space>stress<space>that<space>these<space>reefs,<space>overgrowing<space>the<space>coral,<space>causing<space>stress,<space>knocking<space>it<space>back.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2378.64 12.96 Just<space>to<space>give<space>you<space>a<space>picture<space>of<space>that<space>if<space>you<space>started<space>in<space>1999,<space>when<space>we<space>started<space>our<space>cramp<space>surveys<space>down<space>to<space>2007<space>there,<space>you<space>can<space>see<space>how<space>the<space>algae<space>periodically<space>filled<space>in,<space>and<space>just<space>get<space>a<space>general<space>sense<space>of<space>what<space>that<space>decline<space>and<space>coral<space>cover<space>is.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2391.68 4.96 You<space>look<space>at<space>the<space>coral<space>is<space>becoming<space>a<space>little<space>smaller<space>and<space>patchier<space>and<space>separated<space>out.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2397.36 20.88 The<space>other<space>thing<space>we<space>noticed<space>there<space>was<space>that<space>fish<space>biomass<space>shown<space>in<space>this<space>graph,<space>is<space>about<space>half<space>of<space>what<space>it<space>is<space>on<space>other<space>sites<space>around<space>Maui,<space>but<space>also<space>the<space>Maui<space>sites<space>are<space>about<space>half<space>of<space>what<space>they<space>are<space>in<space>some<space>of<space>the<space>more<space>pristine<space>areas<space>on<space>the<space>big<space>island,<space>et<space>cetera,<space>Big<space>concern<space>there<space>though<space>is<space>the<space>orangy<space>graph,<space>which<space>is<space>the<space>parrotfish<space>biomass<space>was<space>extremely<space>low<space>in<space>this<space>area.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2418.96 22.56 With<space>that<space>information,<space>we<space>set<space>up<space>the<space>Kahekili<space>Herbivore<space>Fisheries<space>Management<space>Area,<space>as<space>a<space>fisheries<space>management<space>area,<space>which<space>prohibited<space>the<space>taking<space>a<space>three<space>families<space>of<space>fish,<space>surgeonfish,<space>parrotfish<space>and<space>Ninui<space>or<space>chubs,<space>prohibited<space>the<space>taking<space>of<space>sea<space>urchins<space>and<space>prohibited<space>fish<space>feeding<space>so<space>that<space>the<space>fish<space>would<space>eat<space>the<space>algae<space>rather<space>than<space>the<space>peas<space>and<space>the<space>other<space>things<space>given<space>to<space>them.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2442.16 1.52 We<space>continue<space>to<space>allow<space>fishing.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2443.68 1.36 In<space>fact,<space>we<space>encourage<space>fishing.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2445.04 1.44 This<space>is<space>not<space>anti-fishing.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2446.56 7.12 It's<space>about<space>simply<space>the<space>fish<space>that<space>are<space>important<space>to<space>help<space>protect<space>the<space>reef<space>and<space>if<space>the<space>reef<space>ecosystem<space>improves,<space>we<space>would<space>expect<space>fishing<space>to<space>improve.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2453.68 4.32 And<space>we<space>want<space>fishers<space>to<space>experience<space>that<space>as<space>well.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2458.80 7.04 Over<space>a<space>five-year<space>period,<space>just<space>looking<space>at<space>parrot<space>fish,<space>these<space>are<space>the<space>small<space>body<space>parrotfish.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2465.84 2.48 There's<space>several<space>species,<space>but<space>these<space>are<space>the<space>ones<space>that<space>are<space>are<space>small.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2468.32 5.20 They<space>get<space>to<space>be<space>a<space>little<space>over<space>a<space>foot<space>in<space>size<space>and<space>they<space>live<space>for<space>about<space>six<space>to<space>10<space>years.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2473.68 9.92 You<space>could<space>see<space>a<space>rather<space>rapid<space>increase<space>after<space>the<space>closure,<space>which<space>is<space>the<space>dotted<space>line<space>on<space>the<space>left<space>side<space>of<space>the<space>graph,<space>up<space>to<space>nearly<space>twice<space>as<space>much<space>biomass.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2483.68 16.96 And<space>that<space>has<space>held<space>more<space>or<space>less<space>stable<space>since<space>that<space>period,<space>when<space>you<space>look<space>at<space>large<space>bodied<space>parrotfish,<space>and<space>these<space>are<space>actually<space>much<space>more<space>important<space>on<space>the<space>reef<space>because<space>of<space>their<space>size,<space>the<space>size<space>of<space>their<space>bite<space>and<space>the<space>effect<space>they<space>have<space>in<space>controlling<space>algae<space>and<space>stimulating<space>other<space>factors<space>on<space>the<space>reef,<space>you<space>see<space>a<space>slower<space>increase.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2500.72 2.64 These<space>fish<space>live<space>longer,<space>they<space>grow<space>slower.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2503.36 3.84 So<space>that's<space>to<space>be<space>expected,<space>up<space>till<space>about<space>2013.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2507.44 5.12 After<space>that<space>point,<space>they<space>dropped<space>back<space>down<space>to<space>what<space>they<space>were<space>at<space>baseline<space>levels<space>at<space>the<space>start<space>of<space>the<space>reserve.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2512.72 1.92 This<space>is<space>likely<space>due<space>to<space>fishing.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2515.12 5.44 So<space>yes,<space>it's<space>protected,<space>but<space>unfortunately<space>illegal<space>fishing<space>still<space>happens.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2520.64 6.32 And<space>this<space>is<space>one<space>of<space>the<space>biggest<space>challenges<space>we<space>have<space>in<space>resource<space>management<space>is<space>how<space>we<space>get<space>compliance<space>with<space>the<space>rules<space>once<space>we<space>make<space>them.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2528.96 2.00 Enforcement<space>is<space>certainly<space>part<space>of<space>that.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2531.04 2.96 I'm<space>not<space>gonna<space>talk<space>about<space>enforcement<space>'cause<space>I<space>don't<space>work<space>for<space>enforcement.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2534.00 5.60 It's<space>best<space>to<space>speak<space>with<space>them<space>about<space>the<space>challenges<space>of<space>actually<space>formally<space>enforcing<space>these<space>rules.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2539.68 10.24 But<space>there's<space>a<space>lot<space>of<space>other<space>things<space>such<space>as<space>outreach,<space>education,<space>bringing<space>people<space>into<space>the<space>fold<space>of<space>all,<space>why<space>we<space>have<space>these<space>rules<space>and<space>why<space>you<space>need<space>to<space>comply<space>with<space>them.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2550.08 10.40 As<space>Ekulu<space>talked<space>about<space>community<space>management,<space>as<space>communities<space>get<space>more<space>involved<space>in<space>the<space>process,<space>working<space>with<space>us,<space>more<space>aware<space>of<space>what's<space>going<space>on,<space>they<space>changed<space>the<space>social<space>structure<space>as<space>well.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2560.72 5.04 So<space>it's<space>not<space>acceptable<space>to<space>go<space>out<space>and<space>poach<space>and<space>take<space>fish.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2566.24 1.68 It's<space>looked<space>down<space>on,<space>it's<space>shame.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2568.00 13.28 So<space>these<space>changes<space>take<space>time,<space>but<space>hopefully<space>that's<space>how<space>we'll<space>start<space>to<space>build<space>compliance<space>because<space>knocking<space>that<space>back<space>down,<space>sets<space>us<space>back<space>another<space>five<space>years<space>and<space>makes<space>it<space>that<space>much<space>harder<space>for<space>us<space>to<space>get<space>where<space>we<space>need<space>to<space>be.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2581.68 1.76 Short<space>term<space>successes<space>with<space>this.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2583.52 9.84 Coral<space>hasn't<space>changed<space>much<space>on<space>these<space>reefs,<space>but<space>if<space>you<space>see<space>that<space>red<space>line<space>on<space>the<space>bottom,<space>that's<space>crystal's<space>carlanalogy,<space>that's<space>the<space>purple<space>and<space>pink<space>stuff<space>that<space>grows<space>on<space>the<space>bottom.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2593.44 6.16 It's<space>critically<space>important<space>on<space>cementing<space>our<space>reefs<space>together,<space>but<space>it's<space>also<space>a<space>landing<space>pad<space>for<space>coral<space>recruits.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2599.60 4.72 So<space>new<space>coral<space>recruits<space>seek<space>out<space>this<space>crystal's<space>coralonology<space>to<space>settle<space>and<space>grow.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2604.40 2.40 So<space>you<space>need<space>to<space>have<space>that.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2607.60 6.40 So<space>anyway,<space>going<space>back,<space>you<space>can<space>see<space>how<space>that<space>has<space>gone<space>from<space>nearly<space>2%<space>up<space>to<space>about<space>14%.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2614.32 0.88 Here's<space>a<space>picture.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2615.20 1.12 This<space>is<space>what<space>we're<space>looking<space>at.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2616.32 3.44 You<space>had<space>coral,<space>in<space>between<space>the<space>coral<space>you<space>had<space>algae.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2620.24 11.52 Much<space>of<space>those<space>areas<space>now<space>look<space>more<space>like<space>this,<space>where<space>the<space>fleshy<space>algae<space>much<space>less<space>present,<space>but<space>you<space>see<space>that<space>purple<space>and<space>pink<space>stuff<space>on<space>the<space>ground<space>setting<space>that<space>reef<space>up<space>for<space>recovery.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2631.76 3.84 So<space>we're<space>seeing<space>that<space>as<space>an<space>early<space>sign<space>that's<space>very<space>positive.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2636.24 8.96 Looking<space>at<space>it<space>on<space>a<space>broader<space>scale,<space>the<space>green<space>stuff,<space>there's<space>the<space>two<space>graphs<space>on<space>the<space>left<space>are<space>before<space>the<space>management<space>went<space>into<space>effect,<space>and<space>the<space>two<space>on<space>the<space>right<space>are<space>after.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2645.36 10.00 And<space>it<space>just<space>shows<space>it<space>on<space>a<space>general<space>scale,<space>the<space>increase<space>in<space>biomass<space>of<space>parrotfish<space>with<space>the<space>green<space>circles<space>and<space>then<space>the<space>crustal's<space>coralanalogy<space>is<space>those<space>pink<space>circles.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2655.36 4.96 So<space>you<space>can<space>see<space>how<space>the<space>reefs<space>have<space>filled<space>in<space>over<space>time.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2660.72 8.00 So<space>that's<space>just<space>an<space>example<space>of<space>what's<space>possible<space>as<space>we<space>change<space>the<space>ecosystem<space>back<space>to<space>a<space>more<space>normal<space>state<space>on<space>our<space>reefs.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2668.88 4.40 There's<space>a<space>lot<space>of<space>good<space>things<space>that<space>have<space>happened<space>around<space>Maui<space>that<space>make<space>Maui<space>distinct<space>from<space>the<space>rest<space>of<space>the<space>state.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2673.52 3.92 We're<space>the<space>only<space>place<space>that<space>has<space>a<space>total<space>ban<space>on<space>the<space>use<space>of<space>lay<space>gillnets.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2677.60 2.48 And<space>that<space>went<space>into<space>effect<space>in<space>2007.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2680.24 8.56 We<space>have<space>this<space>Kahekili<space>Herbivore<space>Fisheries<space>Management<space>Area,<space>that's<space>showing<space>a<space>lot<space>of<space>positives<space>and<space>what's<space>possible<space>with<space>the<space>management.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2688.88 6.48 And<space>then<space>more<space>recently<space>we<space>implemented<space>parrotfish<space>and<space>goldfish<space>rules,<space>which<space>include<space>bag<space>size<space>and<space>size<space>limits.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2695.36 5.44 And<space>for<space>parrot<space>fish<space>actually<space>protect<space>the<space>terminal<space>phase<space>males<space>of<space>the<space>two<space>large<space>species.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2700.96 6.40 So<space>if<space>we<space>can<space>get<space>compliance<space>with<space>these<space>things,<space>we<space>would<space>expect<space>to<space>see<space>more<space>of<space>biomass<space>on<space>our<space>reefs.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2707.44 3.68 And<space>hopefully<space>that<space>would<space>help<space>provide<space>some<space>of<space>that<space>resilience.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2711.20 1.68 It's<space>not<space>gonna<space>do<space>all<space>of<space>it<space>though.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2713.20 9.84 We<space>do<space>need<space>to<space>do<space>just<space>as<space>Dr.<space>Field<space>talked<space>about,<space>we<space>need<space>to<space>look<space>at<space>networks<space>of<space>marine<space>managed<space>areas<space>to<space>hedge<space>our<space>bets,<space>set<space>up<space>some<space>of<space>these<space>areas<space>for<space>protection<space>for<space>the<space>future.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2723.52 11.36 Community<space>co-management,<space>as<space>Ekulu<space>mentioned,<space>critical<space>things<space>that<space>we<space>need<space>to<space>support<space>and<space>really<space>help<space>these<space>guys<space>out<space>as<space>they<space>work<space>through<space>the<space>management<space>areas<space>of<space>their<space>specific<space>locations.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2735.44 4.80 We<space>could<space>really<space>use<space>more<space>county<space>support<space>with<space>watershed<space>management<space>efforts.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2740.48 2.88 We<space>have<space>the<space>West<space>Maui<space>Ridge<space>to<space>Reef<space>Initiative.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2743.52 9.28 We've<space>spent<space>a<space>lot<space>of<space>time<space>and<space>effort<space>with<space>numerous<space>people,<space>including<space>county<space>representatives<space>coming<space>up<space>with<space>plans<space>to<space>deal<space>with<space>some<space>of<space>the<space>stressors<space>to<space>the<space>watershed<space>in<space>that<space>area.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2752.88 12.80 But<space>it<space>always<space>falls<space>back<space>to<space>needing<space>more<space>support<space>from<space>the<space>county<space>public<space>works<space>to<space>maintain<space>and<space>manage<space>and<space>clean<space>out<space>the<space>filters<space>in<space>the<space>storm<space>drains<space>and<space>things<space>of<space>that<space>sort.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2766.80 3.12 Reuse<space>and<space>distribution<space>of<space>wastewater,<space>all<space>of<space>these<space>things.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2770.08 6.00 A<space>lot<space>of<space>things<space>come<space>together<space>where<space>the<space>county<space>is<space>a<space>major<space>player<space>in<space>how<space>we<space>manage<space>our<space>watershed.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2776.08 5.12 So<space>we<space>just<space>need<space>to<space>work<space>better,<space>closer<space>together<space>in<space>that<space>and<space>set<space>these<space>priorities.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2781.44 1.92 And<space>I'm<space>gonna<space>leave<space>it<space>at<space>that.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2783.36 5.20 I<space>probably<space>ran<space>too<space>long<space>anyway,<space>but<space>certainly<space>glad<space>to<space>answer<space>questions<space>later.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2789.20 2.48 Thank<space>you,<space>Russell.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2792.80 1.12 Aloha.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2794.40 3.52 Thank<space>you<space>guys<space>for<space>allowing<space>us<space>to<space>talk<space>and<space>speak<space>to<space>you<space>guys<space>today.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2798.00 1.36 My<space>name<space>is<space>Mark<space>Decos.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2799.36 5.76 I'm<space>the<space>Director<space>of<space>the<space>Hawaii<space>Association<space>for<space>Marine<space>Education<space>and<space>Research.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2805.28 3.52 And<space>I'm<space>just<space>gonna<space>touch<space>on<space>the<space>land-based<space>side<space>of<space>things.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2809.12 6.96 We<space>talked<space>about<space>the<space>things<space>that<space>we<space>can<space>control,<space>the<space>extraction,<space>and<space>then<space>the<space>land-based<space>pollution.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2816.16 3.04 Russell<space>touched<space>on<space>a<space>lot<space>of<space>the<space>extraction<space>stuff.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2819.68 4.48 You've<space>seen<space>these<space>photos,<space>we're<space>seeing<space>a<space>lot<space>more<space>of<space>these<space>photos.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2824.16 8.24 I've<space>heard<space>you<space>guys<space>are<space>discussing<space>this<space>in<space>your<space>council<space>meetings<space>where<space>we're<space>getting<space>much<space>more<space>discharge<space>happening<space>on<space>the<space>reefs.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2832.48 7.20 Sediment<space>is<space>the<space>number<space>one<space>problem<space>that's<space>impacting<space>our<space>reefs<space>that<space>we<space>have<space>control<space>over.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2839.76 4.96 So<space>I<space>really<space>started<space>to<space>look<space>into<space>why<space>is<space>this<space>becoming<space>more<space>and<space>more<space>of<space>a<space>problem?
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2844.88 9.04 So<space>sediment<space>101,<space>whenever<space>there's<space>a<space>construction,<space>anytime<space>you<space>displace<space>dirt,<space>you<space>move<space>vegetation<space>development<space>pretty<space>much.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2854.08 8.32 You're<space>gonna<space>allow<space>those<space>soils<space>to<space>be<space>free<space>to<space>move<space>down<space>the<space>mountain<space>by<space>wind<space>or<space>by<space>by<space>water.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2862.48 3.76 So<space>we<space>recognize<space>that<space>and<space>so<space>we<space>have...
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2866.24 3.92 We<space>actually<space>have<space>pretty<space>good<space>laws<space>to<space>prevent<space>that<space>from<space>entering<space>the<space>water.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2870.24 10.32 We<space>have<space>the<space>Clean<space>Water<space>Act<space>and<space>when<space>a<space>developer<space>applies<space>for<space>a<space>permit,<space>they<space>are<space>required<space>to<space>get<space>what<space>we<space>call<space>the<space>NPDS<space>permit.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2883.28 9.12 And<space>the<space>permit<space>basically<space>states,<space>we'll<space>allow<space>you<space>to<space>discharge,<space>but<space>you<space>have<space>to<space>meet<space>the<space>Department<space>of<space>Health's<space>water<space>quality<space>standards,<space>right?
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2892.96 16.24 And<space>those<space>standards<space>are<space>pretty<space>strict,<space>and<space>if<space>we<space>look<space>at<space>what<space>those<space>standards<space>are,<space>it's<space>really<space>hard<space>to<space>see<space>there,<space>but<space>basically<space>their<space>values<space>of<space>turbidity<space>and<space>nutrients<space>and<space>whatnot,<space>the<space>threshold<space>can't<space>breach.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2909.28 7.36 So<space>we<space>have<space>all<space>the<space>laws<space>in<space>place<space>to<space>prevent<space>that<space>discharge<space>from<space>reaching<space>the<space>ocean.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2916.88 1.60 So<space>what<space>is<space>the<space>problem?
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2918.56 10.40 Well,<space>a<space>lot<space>of<space>these<space>permits,<space>we<space>call<space>the<space>NPS<space>Permit,<space>that<space>allows<space>you<space>to<space>go<space>and<space>disturb<space>the<space>earth,<space>they're<space>self-monitored.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2929.04 9.76 So<space>your<space>requirement<space>for<space>compliance<space>is<space>to<space>basically<space>walk<space>the<space>grounds,<space>look<space>at<space>what<space>we<space>call<space>BMPs,<space>Best<space>Management<space>Practices.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2938.80 6.24 A<space>lot<space>of<space>times<space>they're<space>sediment<space>basins<space>to<space>capture<space>that<space>sediment<space>in<space>the<space>water<space>or<space>they're<space>silk<space>fences.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2945.28 5.12 There's<space>a<space>lot<space>of<space>different<space>types,<space>but<space>there's<space>no<space>actual<space>monitoring<space>of<space>the<space>discharge.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2950.40 12.40 So<space>if<space>you're<space>not<space>monitoring<space>what's<space>coming<space>out<space>of<space>the<space>outflow<space>points,<space>it<space>really<space>doesn't<space>matter<space>how<space>well<space>your<space>BMPs<space>look,<space>you're<space>still<space>discharging<space>impaired<space>water.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2963.28 6.56 So<space>the<space>difficulty<space>here<space>as<space>well,<space>DOH<space>has<space>so<space>much<space>of<space>a<space>budget,<space>so<space>much<space>staff.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2970.00 4.88 They<space>can't<space>go<space>and<space>monitor<space>and<space>take<space>samples<space>of<space>all<space>of<space>these<space>discharge<space>areas.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2974.88 5.84 So<space>how<space>do<space>we<space>prevent<space>that<space>sediment,<space>which<space>carries<space>with<space>it<space>all<space>the<space>pollutants,<space>all<space>the<space>nutrients.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2980.80 3.44 How<space>do<space>we<space>keep<space>at<space>its<space>source?
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2984.64 5.92 Well,<space>they<space>have<space>automated<space>monitors<space>now,<space>so<space>people<space>are<space>using<space>them<space>on<space>the<space>east<space>coast.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2990.56 5.92 And<space>basically,<space>they're<space>just<space>sensors<space>that<space>you<space>can<space>put<space>in<space>front<space>of<space>a<space>discharge<space>area.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 2996.72 4.24 You<space>can<space>have<space>them<space>measure<space>turbidity,<space>pH,<space>suspended<space>solids.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3001.12 6.40 You<space>can<space>add<space>whatever<space>sensors<space>you<space>want<space>to<space>them,<space>and<space>you<space>can<space>attach<space>a<space>remote<space>communicator.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3007.76 6.88 Basically<space>through<space>satellite<space>or<space>through<space>a<space>Wi-fi<space>signal,<space>you<space>can<space>send<space>all<space>that<space>information<space>in<space>real<space>time.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3014.88 4.48 So<space>either<space>to<space>the<space>enforcement,<space>to<space>the<space>developer<space>themselves.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3019.52 2.96 So<space>this<space>is<space>real<space>time<space>data<space>that's<space>coming<space>in.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3022.80 7.68 Once<space>they're<space>installed,<space>you<space>sit<space>back,<space>sit<space>in<space>your<space>office<space>and<space>you'll<space>get<space>a<space>text<space>message,<space>if<space>there's<space>a<space>breach<space>in<space>one<space>of<space>the<space>parameters.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3030.72 3.20 Very<space>low<space>cost<space>once<space>they're<space>set<space>up.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3034.56 12.72 And<space>like<space>I<space>said,<space>the<space>current<space>way<space>of<space>measuring,<space>we<space>mentioned<space>the<space>water<space>quality<space>standards<space>are<space>90%<space>impaired<space>in<space>Maui<space>and<space>just<space>as<space>bad<space>in<space>the<space>other<space>counties<space>as<space>well.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3047.92 11.36 When<space>you<space>go<space>and<space>sample<space>like<space>they<space>do<space>now,<space>again<space>it's<space>once<space>a<space>month<space>or<space>a<space>couple<space>of<space>times<space>a<space>year,<space>it's<space>really<space>hard<space>to<space>understand<space>where<space>the<space>inputs<space>are<space>coming<space>from.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3061.52 3.76 DOH<space>has<space>a<space>mandate<space>to<space>manage<space>that<space>watershed.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3065.28 6.08 You're<space>getting<space>inputs<space>from<space>development,<space>from<space>natural<space>sources,<space>from<space>the<space>ungulates,<space>disturbing<space>the<space>dirt.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3071.36 1.36 There's<space>a<space>lot<space>of<space>different<space>sources.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3072.72 8.88 It's<space>very<space>hard<space>to<space>capture<space>and<space>figure<space>out<space>where<space>all<space>those<space>sources<space>are<space>and<space>develop<space>what<space>they<space>call<space>a<space>pollutant<space>budget.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3082.88 8.16 If<space>you<space>set<space>up<space>these<space>automators,<space>you're<space>basically<space>controlling<space>and<space>understanding<space>what<space>those<space>points<space>sources<space>are<space>contributing.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3091.04 1.60 So<space>there's<space>no<space>mystery<space>there.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3092.64 3.44 It<space>helps<space>DOH<space>to<space>understand<space>it.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3096.08 4.48 And<space>if<space>you<space>can<space>look<space>at<space>rainfall<space>data,<space>and<space>very<space>subtle<space>changes.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3100.56 2.40 If<space>you<space>get<space>all<space>of<space>a<space>sudden,<space>a<space>sudden...
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3103.04 9.92 Sometimes<space>these<space>basins<space>or<space>whatever,<space>are<space>pretty<space>good<space>up<space>until<space>a<space>rain<space>threshold,<space>and<space>then<space>it<space>bursts<space>and<space>you<space>get<space>a<space>massive<space>amount<space>of<space>sediment.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3113.12 4.80 And<space>just<space>to<space>remind<space>the<space>sediment,<space>once<space>it's<space>on<space>the<space>reef,<space>it's<space>done.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3118.24 2.00 You<space>cannot<space>mitigate<space>after<space>that.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3120.24 8.40 You<space>have<space>to<space>keep<space>it<space>from<space>reaching<space>the<space>reef,<space>because<space>once<space>it's<space>on<space>there,<space>it<space>gets<space>resuspended<space>over<space>and<space>over<space>again<space>by<space>the<space>wave<space>action.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3128.72 3.60 And<space>that<space>continues<space>to<space>kill<space>and<space>kill<space>and<space>kill<space>the<space>reef.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3132.64 6.88 And<space>any<space>little<space>babies<space>can<space>not<space>settle<space>on<space>that<space>soft<space>bottom,<space>the<space>coral<space>polyps<space>than<space>the<space>spawn.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3139.60 3.28 So<space>you<space>don't<space>get<space>regeneration<space>of<space>new<space>growth.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3143.04 8.40 So<space>again,<space>just<space>lots<space>of<space>data<space>can<space>come<space>in<space>in<space>real<space>time,<space>very<space>hard<space>to<space>go<space>and<space>sample<space>during<space>a<space>rain<space>event.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3151.52 3.76 So<space>a<space>lot<space>of<space>times<space>people<space>don't<space>get<space>out<space>there<space>too<space>long<space>after<space>this.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3155.68 4.24 You<space>can<space>look<space>on<space>your<space>computer<space>any<space>time.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3160.96 6.80 You<space>can<space>get<space>very<space>sophisticated<space>where<space>these<space>are<space>long-term<space>permanent<space>systems<space>that<space>need<space>some<space>extra<space>structure.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3167.92 4.24 If<space>there's<space>theft<space>situations,<space>you<space>can<space>put<space>them<space>in...
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3172.40 7.20 You<space>have<space>different<space>ways<space>of<space>dealing<space>with<space>issues<space>where<space>these<space>are<space>remote<space>stations<space>that<space>could<space>be<space>tampered<space>with.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3180.00 3.36 Now,<space>the<space>question<space>is<space>who<space>does<space>this?
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3183.44 2.32 How<space>is<space>it<space>paid<space>for<space>and<space>all<space>that?
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3185.76 5.20 So<space>my<space>suggestion<space>would<space>be<space>through<space>the<space>application,<space>the<space>MPDs<space>permit.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3191.04 10.88 You<space>pay<space>a<space>fee,<space>so<space>you<space>could<space>have<space>a<space>fee<space>of<space>fund,<space>the<space>mitigation<space>fund<space>that<space>helps<space>with<space>the<space>monitoring,<space>so<space>a<space>third<space>party.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3202.00 10.88 So<space>just<space>like<space>if<space>you<space>were<space>to<space>get<space>an<space>appraisal<space>on<space>your<space>house,<space>we<space>all<space>like<space>to<space>get<space>our<space>own<space>appraiser<space>to<space>basically<space>elevate<space>that<space>value.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3212.88 2.00 But<space>now<space>the<space>banks,<space>you're<space>not<space>allowed.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3215.20 1.28 We<space>have<space>a<space>third<space>party.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3217.44 2.32 The<space>appraisers<space>have<space>to<space>meet<space>a<space>certain<space>criteria.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3219.84 2.00 You<space>get<space>them,<space>they<space>do<space>the<space>evaluation.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3222.00 6.64 So<space>when<space>a<space>project<space>and<space>we're<space>gonna<space>have<space>incredible<space>growth<space>here<space>on<space>Maui<space>in<space>the<space>next<space>decade.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3228.64 4.88 So<space>there's<space>gonna<space>be<space>a<space>lot<space>of<space>more<space>opportunities<space>of<space>events<space>like<space>this.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3233.52 1.76 They're<space>gonna<space>be<space>more<space>and<space>more<space>common.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3235.36 2.24 So<space>how<space>do<space>we<space>stop<space>that<space>from<space>happening?
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3237.76 10.48 So<space>if<space>they<space>implement<space>a<space>fee<space>that<space>goes<space>and<space>allows<space>the<space>establishment<space>of<space>these<space>automated<space>sensors,<space>you<space>just<space>basically<space>park<space>them<space>out<space>at<space>the<space>discharge<space>spots.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3248.40 6.40 And<space>then<space>when<space>there's<space>a<space>breach<space>that<space>occurs,<space>the<space>developer's<space>notified<space>immediately<space>they<space>can<space>take<space>care<space>of<space>it.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3254.80 3.52 Maybe<space>there's<space>a<space>stop<space>work<space>order<space>until<space>they<space>get<space>it<space>under<space>control.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3259.44 2.56 And<space>the<space>developer's<space>paying<space>for<space>that<space>service.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3262.00 3.12 So<space>there's<space>no<space>extra<space>budget<space>needed.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3265.12 7.52 There's<space>no<space>extra<space>manpower<space>needed<space>by<space>DOH.<space>And<space>you<space>understand<space>exactly<space>where<space>and<space>when<space>these<space>events<space>are<space>happening.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3274.72 4.72 Thinking<space>a<space>bit<space>outside<space>the<space>box,<space>there<space>are<space>ways<space>we<space>can<space>get<space>a<space>handle<space>on<space>these<space>major<space>problems.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3279.52 8.00 And<space>again,<space>the<space>stuff<space>that<space>we<space>can<space>control<space>is<space>the<space>stuff<space>that<space>we<space>should<space>be<space>focused<space>in<space>doing<space>something<space>about<space>now.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3287.68 0.88 Thank<space>you.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3289.92 1.12 Thank<space>you.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3291.28 6.32 And<space>any<space>further<space>person<space>going<space>to<space>present<space>or<space>that's<space>the<space>end<space>of<space>the<space>presentation?
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3297.68 0.48 Okay.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3298.16 1.92 Well,<space>thank<space>you<space>very<space>much<space>panelists.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3300.16 10.88 And<space>at<space>this<space>point<space>members,<space>we<space>can<space>open<space>up<space>the<space>floor<space>at<space>this<space>point<space>for<space>questions<space>and<space>answers,<space>discussion<space>and<space>all<space>of<space>the<space>above.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3312.00 1.04 Mr.<space>Couch.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3313.28 3.20 Well,<space>I'm<space>not<space>really<space>a<space>member<space>so<space>let<space>them<space>go<space>first.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3316.72 0.64 Okay.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3318.08 1.60 Yes,<space>Mr.<space>Carroll.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3320.00 1.12 Thank<space>you,<space>Chair.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3321.28 2.24 And<space>thank<space>you<space>for<space>bringing<space>this<space>forward<space>today.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3323.52 4.08 And<space>all<space>of<space>the<space>participants<space>over<space>here<space>are<space>truly<space>appreciated.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3329.44 9.12 What<space>you've<space>said<space>over<space>here<space>when<space>you<space>bring<space>forward,<space>is<space>known<space>and<space>it's<space>been<space>known<space>for<space>a<space>long<space>time.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3339.04 6.00 Unfortunately,<space>the<space>political<space>will<space>has<space>not<space>been<space>out<space>there,<space>especially<space>at<space>the<space>state<space>level.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3346.08 7.76 It's<space>disturbing,<space>the<space>county,<space>we<space>do<space>what<space>we<space>can<space>to<space>control<space>the<space>pollution<space>that<space>you<space>see<space>on<space>the<space>screen.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3354.16 4.08 We<space>have<space>the<space>laws,<space>our<space>problems<space>was<space>enforcement<space>and<space>it<space>needs<space>to<space>go<space>further.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3358.48 2.88 But<space>we<space>need<space>more<space>support<space>from<space>the<space>state.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3361.84 2.48 The<space>state<space>needs<space>to<space>be<space>more<space>involved.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3364.72 1.84 I'll<space>give<space>you<space>two<space>examples.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3366.88 7.84 Turtle,<space>many<space>years<space>ago<space>in<space>the<space>70s,<space>me<space>and<space>a<space>group<space>of<space>people,<space>trying<space>to<space>get<space>the<space>commercial<space>selling<space>in<space>with<space>turtle<space>to<space>be<space>illegal.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3375.60 4.80 About<space>six<space>people<space>went<space>up<space>there<space>and<space>said,<space>"It's<space>all<space>right<space>to<space>sell<space>turtle".
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3380.40 3.60 We<space>stayed<space>back<space>down<space>until<space>the<space>feds<space>came<space>inside<space>and<space>stopped<space>it.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3384.48 6.32 There<space>has<space>been<space>no<space>political<space>will<space>up<space>there<space>for<space>the<space>state<space>to<space>do<space>what's<space>necessary<space>to<space>preserve<space>our<space>environment.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3391.52 10.88 When<space>it<space>came<space>up<space>to<space>make<space>spirit<space>fish<space>legal<space>to<space>sell,<space>we<space>went<space>to<space>the<space>state<space>and<space>we<space>said,<space>"Hey,<space>our<space>environment<space>cannot<space>take<space>this<space>extra<space>load.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3402.72 2.08 It's<space>not<space>good<space>for<space>anyone".
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3405.52 3.84 We<space>went<space>to<space>DLNR.<space>DLNR<space>would<space>not<space>give<space>us<space>the<space>support.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3409.36 2.48 They<space>said<space>it<space>was<space>too<space>hard<space>to<space>enforce.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3412.72 2.72 That<space>is<space>about<space>as<space>lean<space>as<space>you<space>can<space>get.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3416.24 2.64 They<space>supported<space>the<space>state<space>at<space>all<space>levels.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3419.44 2.64 All<space>levels<space>needs<space>to<space>be.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3422.72 1.84 We<space>need<space>to<space>get<space>the<space>public.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3424.72 3.60 We<space>need<space>to<space>get<space>the<space>people<space>that<space>are<space>listening<space>to<space>this<space>on<space>a<space>carpool.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3428.72 12.16 We<space>need<space>them<space>to<space>go<space>over<space>there<space>and<space>support<space>the<space>positions<space>that<space>you<space>have<space>come<space>up<space>with<space>here,<space>this<space>panel,<space>and<space>support<space>the<space>council<space>and<space>the<space>state,<space>and<space>even<space>federal,<space>if<space>necessary.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3441.12 11.76 But<space>we<space>really<space>need<space>to<space>get<space>the<space>public<space>to<space>come<space>forward<space>and<space>to<space>understand,<space>and<space>to<space>support<space>what<space>you<space>will<space>come<space>up<space>here<space>with<space>today,<space>because<space>we<space>need<space>to<space>do<space>it<space>all.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3454.00 1.44 I<space>appreciate<space>your<space>coming.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3455.44 5.12 And<space>I<space>hope<space>this<space>is<space>something<space>that<space>will<space>go<space>further.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3460.72 2.64 And<space>I<space>hope<space>that<space>we<space>can<space>keep<space>up<space>the<space>pressure.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3463.76 2.40 There's<space>no<space>one<space>specific<space>person<space>to<space>blame.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3466.48 3.92 All<space>the<space>decisions<space>were<space>made<space>with<space>turtle<space>and<space>everything<space>else.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3471.76 14.96 People<space>give<space>into<space>not<space>going<space>on<space>the<space>right<space>track<space>because<space>they<space>didn't<space>understand,<space>because<space>there<space>weren't<space>enough<space>people<space>out<space>there<space>that<space>were<space>pressing<space>for<space>it<space>and<space>all<space>that<space>needs<space>to<space>change.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3486.96 1.04 Thank<space>you,<space>Chair.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3488.40 2.08 Thank<space>you,<space>Mr.<space>Carroll,<space>for<space>sharing.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3490.88 1.04 Ms.<space>Baisa.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3492.32 0.24 Yes.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3492.56 1.20 Thank<space>you<space>very<space>much,<space>Chair.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3493.76 2.88 And<space>thank<space>you<space>to<space>all<space>of<space>the<space>panelists<space>for<space>being<space>here<space>today.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3496.80 4.16 This<space>is<space>definitely<space>a<space>problem<space>that<space>we<space>all<space>need<space>to<space>be<space>very<space>concerned<space>about.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3502.40 2.24 I<space>have<space>an<space>old<space>fisherman<space>in<space>my<space>house.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3504.80 9.44 And<space>so,<space>I<space>know<space>how<space>things<space>have<space>changed<space>because<space>I<space>listened<space>to<space>his<space>remarks<space>about<space>what<space>he<space>sees<space>and<space>what<space>he<space>saw<space>before.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3514.48 1.12 It<space>is<space>sad.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3516.00 6.00 But<space>I'm<space>looking<space>at<space>your<space>suggestions<space>about<space>how<space>we<space>can<space>reverse<space>this.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3522.16 2.64 And<space>I'm<space>concerned.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3525.12 7.60 It's<space>funny<space>because<space>in<space>another<space>committee,<space>in<space>fact,<space>in<space>Mr.<space>Guzman's<space>committee<space>right<space>now,<space>we're<space>talking<space>about<space>coral<space>permits.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3533.04 14.16 And<space>I<space>didn't<space>hear<space>a<space>whole<space>lot<space>of<space>talk<space>about<space>how<space>that<space>affects<space>this,<space>but<space>yet<space>my<space>husband<space>often<space>talks<space>about<space>how<space>he's<space>worried<space>about<space>all<space>the<space>sunscreen<space>in<space>the<space>water<space>and<space>all<space>that<space>activity,<space>and<space>the<space>impact<space>that<space>it<space>has.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3547.28 2.88 Anybody<space>want<space>to<space>comment?
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3550.96 5.68 Whoever<space>would<space>like<space>to<space>say,<space>go<space>ahead.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3557.60 0.72 Thank<space>you.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3561.20 2.40 Everything<space>has<space>an<space>impact<space>as<space>was<space>mentioned.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3564.80 19.44 I<space>think<space>the<space>key<space>thing<space>is<space>we<space>can<space>take<space>action<space>on<space>things<space>that<space>we<space>can,<space>and<space>we<space>particularly<space>need<space>to<space>look<space>at<space>some<space>of<space>the<space>major<space>impacts<space>and<space>it's<space>been<space>stated<space>over<space>and<space>over<space>and<space>over<space>again,<space>when<space>you<space>boil<space>it<space>down<space>to<space>three<space>major<space>impacts<space>on<space>our<space>reefs<space>that<space>are<space>gonna<space>threaten<space>their<space>existence<space>so<space>overfishing,<space>land-based<space>pollution<space>and<space>climate<space>change.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3584.80 3.60 Can't<space>do<space>much<space>about<space>climate<space>change,<space>but<space>we<space>can<space>start<space>to<space>address<space>the<space>other<space>things.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3588.72 2.64 Sunscreen<space>gets<space>a<space>lot<space>of<space>press<space>from<space>time<space>to<space>time.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3591.36 9.68 There's<space>been<space>a<space>recent<space>study<space>about<space>it,<space>and<space>I'm<space>sure<space>at<space>a<space>certain<space>level,<space>it<space>does<space>add<space>another<space>layer<space>of<space>stress<space>on<space>our<space>corals,<space>but<space>it's<space>not...
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3601.20 6.00 A<space>lot<space>of<space>people<space>will<space>glom<space>on<space>to<space>that<space>because,<space>why<space>I<space>don't<space>use<space>sunscreen,<space>it's<space>all<space>the<space>visitors<space>that<space>are<space>the<space>problem.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3607.44 4.56 And<space>it's<space>very<space>likely<space>a<space>minor,<space>minor<space>contributor.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3612.08 5.92 It<space>wouldn't<space>hurt<space>if<space>people<space>would<space>stop<space>using<space>sunscreen<space>that<space>has<space>particularly<space>the<space>certain<space>ingredients<space>that<space>are<space>bad.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3618.08 10.00 It<space>wouldn't<space>hurt<space>if<space>they<space>wore<space>rash<space>guards<space>and<space>things,<space>and<space>just<space>put<space>sunscreen<space>on<space>their<space>face<space>and<space>some<space>exposed<space>areas<space>rather<space>than<space>spray<space>it<space>all<space>over<space>their<space>whole<space>body.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3629.20 7.36 But<space>I<space>hesitate<space>to<space>jump<space>on<space>things<space>like<space>that<space>as<space>major<space>cures<space>'cause<space>I<space>don't<space>think<space>they<space>will<space>have<space>that<space>big<space>of<space>impact.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3636.80 3.28 Overuse<space>in<space>general<space>can<space>be<space>a<space>big<space>factor<space>as<space>well.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3640.08 6.16 And<space>the<space>coral<space>permits<space>are<space>one<space>way<space>that<space>the<space>county<space>is<space>trying<space>to<space>come<space>to<space>grips<space>with<space>that<space>and<space>control<space>it.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3647.92 1.92 And<space>hopefully<space>the<space>state<space>will<space>come<space>along.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3650.16 17.52 They<space>now<space>have<space>a<space>system<space>where<space>they<space>can<space>permit<space>all<space>ocean<space>activities,<space>commercial<space>activities,<space>and<space>hopefully<space>the<space>permitting<space>processes<space>to<space>start<space>to<space>better<space>managing<space>it<space>and<space>spreading<space>it<space>out<space>and<space>reducing<space>the<space>impacts,<space>not<space>just<space>for<space>coral<space>reefs,<space>but<space>also<space>to<space>reduce<space>the<space>conflict<space>with<space>other<space>users.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3668.56 4.56 But<space>again,<space>I<space>hesitate<space>to<space>jump<space>on<space>that<space>as<space>the<space>major<space>cause.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3673.12 11.28 I<space>think<space>we<space>can<space>certainly<space>address<space>certain<space>things<space>and<space>we<space>should<space>when<space>we<space>can,<space>but<space>we<space>need<space>to<space>also<space>keep<space>in<space>our<space>mind<space>these<space>major<space>factors,<space>and<space>figuring<space>out<space>the<space>best<space>way<space>to<space>move<space>forward<space>on<space>those.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3685.12 0.96 Thank<space>you<space>for<space>that.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3686.56 21.12 Of<space>course,<space>the<space>other<space>area<space>that<space>I'm<space>very<space>interested<space>in<space>and<space>I<space>put<space>a<space>communication<space>in<space>just<space>about<space>a<space>week<space>ago<space>to<space>talk<space>about<space>stormwater,<space>and<space>in<space>attending<space>the<space>Hawaii<space>Water<space>Association<space>Meeting<space>this<space>year,<space>I<space>heard<space>a<space>little<space>bit<space>about<space>stormwater<space>utilities<space>and<space>this<space>is<space>gaining<space>popularity<space>all<space>over<space>the<space>place.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3707.76 2.88 And<space>we're<space>going<space>to<space>talk<space>about<space>it.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3710.64 6.48 Hopefully<space>the<space>chair<space>will<space>schedule<space>it<space>to<space>find<space>out<space>what<space>is<space>happening<space>in<space>other<space>areas<space>to<space>control<space>storm<space>water.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3717.12 4.80 Because<space>while<space>some<space>of<space>this<space>is<space>obviously<space>development<space>based,<space>a<space>lot<space>of<space>it<space>just<space>happens.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3722.08 1.68 The<space>water<space>runs<space>down<space>the<space>hill.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3723.76 3.68 It's<space>been<space>running<space>down<space>long<space>before<space>I<space>got<space>here<space>and<space>it's<space>still<space>running.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3727.60 4.48 And<space>so<space>I<space>think<space>we<space>need<space>to<space>do<space>something<space>really...
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3732.16 8.48 We<space>have<space>to<space>do<space>something<space>too,<space>when<space>we<space>see<space>these<space>pictures<space>of<space>all<space>that<space>brown<space>water,<space>it's<space>obviously<space>a<space>real<space>serious<space>issue.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3740.88 6.88 So<space>that's<space>another<space>thing<space>that<space>I'm<space>very<space>interested<space>in<space>is<space>how<space>do<space>we<space>try<space>and<space>deal<space>with<space>some<space>of<space>that<space>too?
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3748.96 2.16 It's<space>not<space>anybody's<space>causing<space>it.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3751.12 1.84 It<space>just<space>happens,<space>it's<space>always<space>happened.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3752.96 4.48 So<space>how<space>can<space>we<space>get<space>that<space>water<space>and<space>put<space>it<space>someplace<space>else<space>where<space>it's<space>not<space>causing<space>problems.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3757.52 3.20 But<space>again,<space>thank<space>you<space>very,<space>very<space>much<space>for<space>being<space>here<space>today.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3760.88 3.92 Information<space>is<space>important<space>as<space>we<space>have<space>to<space>make<space>some<space>tough<space>decisions.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3764.96 0.72 Thank<space>you.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3765.84 1.28 Thank<space>you,<space>Ms.<space>Baisa.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3767.12 1.44 Thank<space>you,<space>Mr.<space>Sparks.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3769.04 2.96 Mr.<space>Guzman,<space>did<space>you<space>have<space>any<space>comments,<space>questions?
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3772.32 0.24 Yeah.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3773.20 2.88 Thank<space>you<space>Chair<space>for<space>bringing<space>forward<space>this<space>subject<space>matter.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3776.08 16.96 I'd<space>also<space>like<space>to<space>thank<space>all<space>the<space>participants<space>for<space>the<space>information<space>and<space>this<space>is<space>one<space>step<space>closer<space>for<space>at<space>least<space>sharing<space>the<space>knowledge<space>to<space>the<space>constituents<space>through<space>Akaku<space>and<space>at<space>least<space>getting<space>the<space>message<space>out<space>there.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3793.52 13.84 One<space>of<space>my<space>questions<space>is<space>basically,<space>there<space>are<space>three<space>primary<space>stressors:<space>climate,<space>land-based<space>pollution<space>and<space>overfishing.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3807.44 30.64 On<space>the<space>overfishing<space>portion<space>of<space>it,<space>I'm<space>gonna<space>have<space>three<space>different<space>questions,<space>but<space>on<space>the<space>overfishing<space>issue,<space>do<space>you<space>have<space>any<space>statistics<space>on<space>how<space>many<space>fish<space>or<space>aquatic<space>fisheries<space>that<space>are<space>basically<space>being<space>taken<space>out<space>by<space>illegal<space>activity,<space>versus<space>Hawaiian<space>gathering<space>rights?
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3838.08 1.92 Is<space>that<space>an<space>issue<space>that<space>comes<space>up?
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3840.24 10.32 Is<space>overfishing<space>due<space>to<space>more<space>of<space>the<space>illegal<space>activity<space>or<space>the<space>legal<space>activity<space>that's<space>going<space>on?
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3852.00 2.88 Probably,<space>there's<space>a<space>lot<space>of<space>legal<space>activity.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3854.96 2.40 There's<space>not<space>a<space>whole<space>lot<space>of<space>restrictions<space>on<space>fishing.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3857.44 4.40 So<space>unfortunately<space>we<space>don't<space>have<space>a<space>fishing<space>license<space>requirement<space>in<space>this<space>state.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3861.84 6.08 So<space>it<space>was<space>really<space>hard<space>for<space>us<space>to<space>get<space>a<space>good<space>grip<space>on<space>the<space>amount<space>of<space>people<space>who<space>are<space>fishing<space>and<space>the<space>model<space>take.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3868.08 2.96 Commercial<space>fishermen<space>are<space>required<space>to<space>submit<space>reports.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3871.12 5.44 So<space>we<space>have<space>some<space>idea<space>of<space>what<space>the<space>commercial<space>take<space>is,<space>but<space>those<space>reports<space>are<space>not<space>validated.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3876.64 3.52 So<space>we're<space>basically<space>taking<space>what<space>they<space>tell<space>us<space>they<space>caught.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3880.32 7.52 And<space>some<space>indications<space>suggest<space>that<space>those<space>reports<space>under-reported<space>by<space>at<space>least<space>three<space>times,<space>if<space>not<space>more.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3888.00 4.96 And<space>so<space>we<space>do<space>some<space>studies<space>to<space>get<space>a<space>feel<space>for<space>it.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3893.20 7.76 My<space>guess<space>would<space>be<space>that<space>non-commercial<space>fishing<space>is<space>huge<space>just<space>because<space>there's<space>so<space>many<space>people<space>doing<space>it.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3901.28 5.44 However,<space>commercial<space>fishing<space>has<space>a<space>few<space>people,<space>but<space>they're<space>very<space>effective<space>at<space>doing<space>it.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3906.72 11.04 So,<space>rather<space>than<space>sectioning<space>out<space>how<space>people<space>are<space>doing<space>or<space>why<space>they're<space>doing<space>it,<space>it's<space>very<space>important<space>that<space>we<space>just<space>look<space>at<space>how<space>we<space>can<space>manage<space>it<space>for<space>all<space>uses.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3918.56 8.16 And<space>then,<space>like<space>you<space>said,<space>even<space>if<space>you<space>do<space>have<space>the<space>regulations<space>in<space>place,<space>if<space>there's<space>illegal<space>fishing<space>going<space>on,<space>it's<space>still<space>a<space>problem<space>that<space>needs<space>to<space>be<space>addressed.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3926.72 6.08 So<space>part<space>of<space>that,<space>with<space>marine<space>managed<space>areas,<space>part<space>of<space>that<space>could<space>be<space>that<space>the<space>enforcement<space>is<space>a<space>lot<space>easier.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3932.88 2.80 You<space>have<space>an<space>area<space>with<space>a<space>zone<space>and<space>let's<space>say<space>it's<space>a<space>no-take<space>area.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3935.68 8.16 If<space>somebody<space>is<space>in<space>there<space>taking<space>fish,<space>enforcement's<space>a<space>lot<space>easier<space>than<space>if,<space>there's<space>just<space>different<space>types<space>of<space>fishing<space>that's<space>allowed.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3945.28 11.36 Other<space>than<space>that,<space>I<space>think<space>the<space>real<space>hope's<space>gonna<space>be<space>just<space>changing<space>people's<space>mindsets<space>and<space>awareness<space>so<space>that<space>if<space>somebody<space>is<space>out<space>there<space>illegally<space>doing<space>it,<space>it's<space>really<space>shunned<space>on<space>by<space>their<space>friends<space>and<space>family<space>and<space>peers.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3960.80 5.20 Do<space>you<space>foresee<space>or<space>at<space>least<space>have<space>any<space>idea<space>how<space>the<space>county<space>could<space>help?
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3966.08 8.48 I<space>guess<space>not<space>really<space>enforced,<space>but<space>I<space>guess<space>it<space>could<space>be<space>enforcement,<space>but<space>we<space>don't<space>have<space>jurisdiction<space>in<space>that<space>area,<space>in<space>the<space>ocean.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3975.68 11.52 What<space>other<space>means,<space>that<space>you<space>can<space>foresee<space>the<space>county<space>helping<space>out<space>in<space>enforcement<space>limiting<space>the<space>fishing?
+IEM_11-16-15 1 3987.76 13.12 Aside<space>from,<space>we<space>could<space>probably<space>send<space>out<space>Rezos<space>to<space>encourage<space>the<space>state,<space>but<space>like<space>Mr.<space>Carroll<space>says,<space>a<space>lot<space>of<space>times<space>it<space>falls<space>on<space>deaf<space>ears.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4000.88 14.08 So<space>is<space>there<space>anything<space>that<space>you<space>can<space>think<space>of<space>that<space>in<space>your<space>expertise<space>that<space>the<space>county<space>could<space>legislate<space>to<space>help<space>prevent<space>the<space>overfishing?
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4016.24 2.40 I'm<space>not<space>sure<space>I<space>can<space>answer<space>that<space>directly.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4018.96 5.04 As<space>a<space>complete<space>outsider,<space>let<space>me<space>offer<space>a<space>thought<space>here<space>though.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4024.64 8.48 And<space>it<space>reflects<space>back<space>to<space>council<space>member<space>Carroll's<space>comments<space>about<space>the<space>concern<space>that<space>the<space>county<space>has,<space>and<space>yet<space>it's<space>a<space>state<space>issue.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4033.92 5.68 I've<space>worked<space>on<space>all<space>the<space>coral<space>reefs<space>in<space>the<space>main<space>Hawaiian<space>islands,<space>except<space>Niihau.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4041.04 5.44 I've<space>seen<space>the<space>problems<space>and<space>I'm<space>very<space>much<space>aware<space>of<space>how<space>things<space>are<space>looked<space>at.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4046.80 2.16 And<space>I<space>may<space>be<space>wrong<space>in<space>this.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4049.04 7.52 But<space>what<space>I<space>see<space>is<space>that<space>the<space>county<space>of<space>Maui,<space>is<space>such<space>a<space>political<space>and<space>economic<space>force<space>in<space>the<space>state.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4056.96 5.20 That<space>it<space>just<space>seems<space>to<space>me<space>again,<space>as<space>an<space>outsider,<space>that<space>the<space>state<space>should<space>listen.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4062.32 13.68 If<space>the<space>county<space>asks<space>for<space>something<space>that<space>is<space>very<space>important<space>to<space>its<space>future<space>and<space>its<space>well<space>being,<space>and<space>its<space>residents<space>for<space>the<space>future,<space>it<space>seems<space>to<space>me,<space>it<space>can<space>have<space>that<space>clout<space>with<space>the<space>state.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4076.24 9.84 You're<space>not<space>asking<space>the<space>state<space>to<space>do<space>anything<space>to<space>Hawaii<space>or<space>the<space>big<space>island,<space>but<space>you're<space>asking<space>for<space>yourselves<space>and<space>I<space>would<space>think<space>the<space>state<space>would<space>listen.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4086.08 8.48 I<space>don't<space>know,<space>maybe<space>I<space>don't<space>understand<space>all<space>the<space>politics,<space>but<space>I<space>think<space>the<space>county<space>has<space>a<space>very<space>big<space>stick<space>in<space>this<space>to<space>talk<space>this<space>day.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4096.96 6.24 It's<space>your<space>backyard<space>and<space>I<space>don't<space>see<space>why<space>they<space>won't<space>help.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4104.72 1.52 Yeah,<space>I<space>don't<space>see<space>why.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4107.04 4.24 Can<space>I<space>get<space>a<space>copy<space>of<space>that<space>video<space>and<space>send<space>it<space>to<space>the<space>state?
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4111.76 2.32 I<space>just<space>wanted<space>to<space>add<space>one<space>more<space>thing.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4114.08 5.68 I'm<space>sorry,<space>just<space>to<space>answer<space>your<space>question<space>and<space>also<space>of<space>Carroll's<space>was<space>that<space>we<space>are<space>gonna<space>be<space>having<space>additional<space>briefings.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4119.76 19.60 So<space>in<space>December,<space>at<space>some<space>time<space>we're<space>in<space>discussion<space>with<space>Suzanne<space>Case<space>from<space>DLNR<space>and<space>Bruce<space>Anderson<space>with<space>DAR<space>and<space>there'll<space>be<space>coming<space>over<space>here<space>for<space>meetings<space>anyway,<space>and<space>we'll<space>be<space>sitting<space>down<space>and<space>having<space>the<space>same<space>discussion<space>with<space>them<space>and<space>absolutely<space>asking<space>as<space>we<space>are<space>with<space>you<space>folks,<space>how<space>we<space>can<space>best<space>provide<space>support<space>and<space>likewise,<space>vice<space>versa.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4139.44 3.44 So<space>I'll<space>pass<space>that<space>question<space>on<space>as<space>well<space>with<space>them.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4143.92 28.32 Chair,<space>I<space>would<space>propose<space>that<space>if<space>there<space>could<space>be<space>at<space>least<space>one<space>or<space>two<space>items<space>that<space>we<space>could<space>address<space>in<space>a<space>foreign<space>plan<space>or<space>some<space>type<space>of<space>legislation,<space>if<space>that<space>could<space>be<space>put<space>together<space>before<space>the<space>state<space>ledge<space>opens<space>their<space>opening<space>ceremony,<space>I<space>know<space>that<space>all<space>of<space>us<space>usually<space>go<space>there<space>for<space>the<space>opening<space>ceremony<space>and<space>speak<space>to<space>as<space>many<space>state<space>legislators<space>as<space>possible.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4172.32 9.36 And<space>that's<space>the<space>time<space>that<space>we<space>get<space>to<space>bend<space>their<space>ear<space>on<space>certain<space>issues<space>that<space>are<space>close<space>to,<space>or<space>at<space>least<space>mean<space>a<space>lot<space>to<space>each<space>and<space>every<space>one<space>of<space>us.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4181.68 10.80 So<space>I<space>think<space>if<space>you<space>can<space>get<space>that<space>going,<space>prior<space>to<space>the<space>opening<space>of<space>the<space>ledge,<space>each<space>one<space>of<space>us<space>would<space>do<space>our<space>part<space>to<space>present<space>to<space>as<space>many<space>legislators<space>as<space>possible.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4192.64 3.20 I<space>think<space>that's<space>one<space>way<space>of<space>starting<space>it<space>out.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4196.08 4.56 The<space>other<space>one<space>is,<space>Chair,<space>the<space>land-based<space>pollutions.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4201.12 23.68 Was<space>there<space>any<space>opportunity<space>to<space>bring<space>in<space>public<space>works<space>or<space>environmental<space>management,<space>Mr.<space>Gonoza,<space>and<space>ask<space>him<space>a<space>few<space>questions<space>and<space>concerns<space>in<space>relation<space>to<space>some<space>of<space>this<space>sentiments<space>and<space>other<space>pollutants<space>that<space>are<space>damaging<space>our<space>reefs<space>because<space>he<space>didn't<space>have<space>them<space>scheduled<space>to<space>be<space>part<space>of<space>that<space>panel.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4224.80 19.60 No,<space>not<space>at<space>this<space>point,<space>but<space>they<space>are<space>definitely<space>well<space>aware<space>and<space>have<space>brought<space>that<space>up<space>to<space>Director<space>Goode<space>and<space>others,<space>but<space>for<space>sure<space>we<space>can<space>hone<space>in<space>on<space>just<space>that<space>specific<space>on<space>another<space>time,<space>but<space>no,<space>they're<space>not<space>here<space>today<space>to<space>discuss<space>solely<space>on<space>that<space>one<space>particular<space>issue.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4244.40 4.00 It's<space>a<space>huge<space>one,<space>I<space>know,<space>but<space>no,<space>not<space>at<space>this<space>time.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4248.48 14.40 I<space>did<space>want<space>to<space>comment<space>though<space>that<space>I<space>like<space>your<space>take<space>in<space>regards<space>to<space>all<space>of<space>us<space>working<space>together<space>with<space>our<space>experts,<space>bringing<space>their<space>knowledge<space>and<space>information<space>into<space>our<space>policies<space>we<space>create<space>and<space>aligning<space>it<space>on<space>the<space>state<space>level.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4262.88 13.20 But<space>let's<space>not<space>forget<space>also<space>that<space>Mr.<space>Ricky<space>Okama<space>had<space>nominated<space>myself<space>too,<space>on<space>a<space>federal<space>level,<space>in<space>regards<space>to<space>addressing<space>and<space>bringing<space>a<space>voice<space>of<space>ours<space>to<space>that<space>level<space>of<space>government.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4276.08 8.96 And<space>so<space>if<space>we<space>can<space>just<space>align<space>county<space>to<space>state,<space>to<space>federal<space>collectively,<space>I<space>think<space>that<space>would<space>be<space>really<space>a<space>great<space>strategy.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4285.04 17.20 And<space>I<space>want<space>to<space>give<space>kudos<space>to<space>this<space>body<space>here,<space>Maui<space>Nui<space>Marine<space>Resource,<space>who<space>basically<space>did<space>draft<space>all<space>the<space>wording<space>and<space>the<space>expertise<space>that<space>I<space>took<space>up<space>to<space>the<space>federal<space>level,<space>because<space>they<space>are<space>our<space>eyes<space>on<space>the<space>reef,<space>so<space>to<space>speak<space>and<space>have<space>the<space>best<space>knowledge.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4302.24 2.16 And<space>that's<space>why<space>they're<space>here<space>today,<space>obviously,<space>too.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4307.36 5.60 I've<space>got<space>to<space>meet<space>Leo<space>Asuncion,<space>who<space>is<space>our<space>Pacific<space>islands<space>region<space>representative.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4313.12 4.32 He's<space>Planning<space>Program<space>Manager<space>for<space>Hawaii<space>Coastal<space>Zone<space>Management.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4319.12 12.32 I<space>feel<space>good<space>about<space>having<space>dual<space>representation<space>up<space>at<space>the<space>federal<space>level<space>for<space>collectively<space>as,<space>not<space>just<space>Maui<space>voice,<space>but<space>as<space>a<space>state<space>too.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4331.52 3.36 And<space>I<space>think<space>we<space>can<space>make<space>great<space>headway<space>that<space>way.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4335.44 9.44 And<space>so<space>I<space>think,<space>yes,<space>locally,<space>but<space>I<space>can<space>bring<space>it<space>up<space>to<space>the<space>federal<space>level<space>too,<space>which<space>I'm<space>very,<space>very<space>excited<space>to<space>do<space>and<space>very<space>happy<space>to<space>do.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4344.96 2.72 Mr.<space>Carroll,<space>did<space>you-<space>-<space>Thank<space>you,<space>Chair.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4348.40 13.60 I<space>would<space>like<space>if<space>I<space>could<space>give<space>our<space>panel<space>over<space>here,<space>it's<space>a<space>copy<space>of<space>the<space>bill<space>for<space>a<space>restricting<space>of<space>spirit<space>fish<space>and<space>also<space>the<space>poundage<space>and<space>the<space>sale<space>or<space>spirit<space>fish,<space>the<space>total<space>poundage.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4362.00 3.44 If<space>I<space>could<space>give<space>it<space>to<space>the<space>panel,<space>just<space>for<space>their<space>information.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4366.48 2.32 Thank<space>you,<space>Chair.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4370.00 1.44 Yes,<space>Mr.<space>Coach.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4371.84 1.36 Thank<space>you,<space>Madam<space>Chair.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4373.20 1.68 And<space>thank<space>you<space>guys<space>for<space>being<space>here.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4376.16 5.12 We<space>always<space>learn<space>from<space>you<space>when<space>you<space>guys<space>come<space>up<space>and<space>give<space>us<space>your<space>presentations.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4381.44 15.20 And<space>one<space>of<space>the<space>things<space>I<space>wanted<space>to<space>ask,<space>we<space>got<space>some<space>of<space>the<space>information,<space>but<space>on<space>the<space>overfishing,<space>are<space>we<space>getting<space>pushback<space>from<space>people<space>doing<space>the<space>fishing,<space>the<space>fishermen<space>and<space>the<space>fisher<space>women?
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4396.80 8.00 Are<space>we<space>getting<space>pushback<space>from<space>and<space>then<space>trying,<space>if<space>we<space>decide<space>to<space>do<space>the<space>CMMAs<space>where<space>they<space>can't<space>fish<space>in<space>certain<space>areas.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4404.96 10.64 I'm<space>assuming<space>that<space>part<space>of<space>the<space>CMMA<space>prohibits<space>fishing<space>or<space>certain<space>fishing.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4417.68 3.52 I<space>don't<space>like<space>pointing<space>fingers<space>at<space>fishermen<space>for<space>overfishing.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4421.76 0.88 Understood.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4425.76 1.60 There<space>are<space>different<space>types<space>of<space>fishermen.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4427.36 6.08 Those<space>that<space>really<space>Malama<space>and<space>know<space>how,<space>and<space>there<space>are<space>others<space>who<space>use<space>for<space>economic<space>gain.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4433.76 13.52 So<space>for<space>us<space>at<space>Polanui,<space>we've<space>gotten<space>good<space>support<space>for<space>a<space>five-year<space>rest<space>period,<space>because<space>they<space>see<space>there's<space>hardly<space>any<space>resources.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4447.36 1.44 So<space>they<space>support<space>it.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4450.80 10.08 I<space>think<space>most<space>fishermen<space>are<space>against<space>protected<space>areas,<space>but<space>will<space>be<space>for<space>it,<space>if<space>they<space>know<space>there's<space>a<space>light<space>at<space>the<space>end<space>of<space>the<space>tunnel<space>to<space>help<space>support.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4460.96 4.96 Because<space>fishing<space>is<space>not<space>just<space>catching<space>fish,<space>it's<space>family<space>time.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4466.00 4.24 And<space>without<space>that<space>family<space>time,<space>you're<space>taking<space>away<space>something<space>from<space>them<space>that's<space>very<space>important.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4470.40 11.36 So<space>for<space>us,<space>in<space>our<space>small<space>area<space>and<space>allowing<space>that<space>to<space>come<space>back,<space>and<space>reopening<space>up<space>with<space>additional<space>restrictions<space>is<space>important<space>for<space>our<space>management<space>system.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4481.92 2.72 But<space>yeah,<space>they<space>can<space>push<space>back,<space>guarantee.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4484.88 2.96 But<space>it<space>has<space>to<space>be<space>done<space>in<space>a<space>way<space>that's<space>inclusive.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4487.92 14.88 So<space>I<space>would<space>encourage<space>all<space>fishermen<space>to<space>become<space>involved<space>and<space>be<space>a<space>part<space>of<space>the<space>solution<space>throughout<space>the<space>barriers<space>and<space>come<space>up<space>with<space>solutions<space>to<space>each<space>one<space>of<space>the<space>barriers<space>that<space>can<space>help<space>them<space>get<space>to<space>help<space>us<space>so<space>we<space>can<space>help<space>everybody.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4503.28 2.96 So<space>it's<space>a<space>very<space>tricky<space>part.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4506.72 5.20 I<space>don't<space>like<space>taking<space>those<space>things<space>away,<space>but<space>we<space>do<space>have<space>a<space>responsibility<space>to<space>maintain<space>it.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4512.16 4.32 So<space>including<space>them<space>is<space>more<space>important<space>than<space>excluding.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4516.64 5.52 So<space>I<space>welcome<space>all<space>fishermen<space>to<space>come<space>and<space>join<space>us<space>in<space>our<space>conversations,<space>in<space>our<space>management<space>plans.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4522.16 7.04 'Cause<space>I<space>want<space>to<space>hear<space>the<space>pushback<space>and<space>I<space>want<space>to<space>hear<space>them<space>now<space>before<space>we<space>move<space>any<space>further,<space>because<space>they<space>need<space>to<space>be<space>a<space>part<space>of<space>the<space>solution.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4530.32 9.84 I<space>know<space>Mr.<space>Field<space>talked<space>about,<space>I<space>think<space>it<space>was<space>him<space>that<space>talked<space>about<space>particular<space>fish<space>that<space>are<space>banned<space>or<space>was<space>that...
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4541.12 1.92 But<space>other<space>fish<space>that<space>can<space>be<space>taken.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4543.36 3.12 And<space>like<space>you<space>said,<space>Mr.<space>Sparks,<space>that's<space>very<space>hard<space>to<space>enforce.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4546.64 5.60 But<space>I<space>like<space>the<space>idea<space>of<space>maybe<space>a<space>rest<space>period,<space>maybe<space>a<space>rolling<space>rest<space>period.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4552.56 5.04 Somebody<space>showed<space>us<space>15%<space>of<space>the<space>Olowalu<space>Reef<space>was<space>really<space>tiny<space>portion.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4557.60 9.60 So<space>maybe<space>you<space>take<space>20%<space>or<space>whatever,<space>30%<space>of<space>the<space>Olowalu<space>reef<space>and<space>rest<space>that<space>for<space>five<space>or<space>six<space>years<space>and<space>then<space>move.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4567.52 2.64 Would<space>that<space>help?
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4571.28 9.20 'Cause<space>it<space>will<space>help<space>with,<space>still<space>allowing<space>fishing<space>in<space>certain<space>areas,<space>but<space>not<space>in<space>the<space>whole<space>ecosystem.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4580.96 5.76 That<space>concept<space>is<space>a<space>popular<space>one<space>that<space>a<space>lot<space>of<space>people<space>gravitate<space>towards.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4586.88 5.20 And<space>I'm<space>not<space>sure<space>if<space>it's<space>historical<space>or<space>traditionally<space>done.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4592.24 4.24 However,<space>in<space>traditional<space>times<space>they<space>also<space>had<space>a<space>lot<space>of<space>control<space>over<space>effort.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4596.64 1.28 How<space>many<space>people<space>were<space>fishing?
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4597.92 2.24 Fishing<space>in<space>their<space>autopilot,<space>et<space>cetera.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4600.56 7.44 Modern<space>times<space>the<space>only<space>example<space>we<space>have<space>of<space>something<space>like<space>that<space>is<space>the<space>Waikiki<space>FMA.<space>And<space>the<space>research<space>has<space>been<space>done<space>on<space>that<space>today.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4608.00 4.88 It<space>shows<space>that<space>it's<space>actually<space>worse<space>than<space>areas<space>that<space>are<space>open<space>to<space>fishing<space>all<space>the<space>time.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4612.96 3.12 And<space>the<space>reason<space>for<space>that<space>is<space>there's<space>a<space>derby<space>mentality.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4616.32 3.76 So<space>you<space>close<space>it<space>for<space>a<space>year<space>or<space>two,<space>I<space>forget<space>what<space>the<space>timing<space>is.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4620.24 4.48 The<space>fish<space>come<space>back,<space>you<space>open<space>it<space>up<space>and<space>it's<space>like<space>opening<space>day,<space>everybody<space>is<space>there.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4624.72 4.32 So<space>you<space>increase<space>fishing<space>effort<space>beyond<space>what<space>it<space>would<space>be<space>if<space>it<space>was<space>open<space>all<space>the<space>time.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4629.20 4.56 So<space>that's<space>the<space>world<space>we<space>live<space>in<space>today,<space>which<space>makes<space>that<space>concept<space>difficult.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4633.92 4.96 Beyond<space>that,<space>a<space>lot<space>of<space>the<space>fish<space>that<space>are<space>very<space>important,<space>live<space>for<space>a<space>long<space>time.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4638.96 7.44 So<space>they<space>may<space>take<space>five<space>years<space>to<space>mature,<space>and<space>move<space>in<space>onto<space>these<space>reefs<space>where<space>they're<space>important,<space>as<space>grazers<space>eating<space>the<space>algae.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4646.40 3.92 But<space>then<space>from<space>that<space>point<space>forward,<space>mortality<space>is<space>really<space>low,<space>natural<space>mortality.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4650.40 2.16 And<space>they<space>may<space>live<space>up<space>to<space>30,<space>40.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4652.56 5.28 Some<space>Kala<space>or<space>unicorn<space>fish<space>have<space>been<space>shown<space>to<space>live<space>up<space>to<space>50<space>years<space>old.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4658.32 6.64 So<space>these<space>large<space>adults,<space>natural<space>mortality<space>is<space>low<space>and<space>they<space>play<space>an<space>important<space>part<space>in<space>the<space>reef.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4665.12 8.56 So<space>if<space>you<space>close<space>an<space>area<space>off<space>for,<space>let's<space>say<space>10<space>years<space>and<space>you<space>get<space>a<space>mature<space>population<space>back<space>up,<space>you<space>open<space>it<space>up,<space>that<space>could<space>be<space>lost.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4674.08 4.08 All<space>of<space>that<space>gain<space>over<space>the<space>last<space>10<space>years<space>could<space>be<space>lost<space>in<space>one<space>year<space>or<space>less.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4678.32 1.68 And<space>you're<space>right<space>back<space>to<space>the<space>same<space>point.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4680.08 4.80 Just<space>like<space>when<space>I<space>thought<space>about<space>the<space>large<space>parrotfish,<space>slowly<space>coming<space>up<space>and<space>then<space>suddenly<space>back<space>down.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4685.12 1.52 So<space>I<space>don't<space>know.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4687.04 21.76 I<space>think<space>in<space>the<space>case,<space>Ekulu's<space>talking<space>about<space>a<space>rest<space>area<space>and<space>then<space>they<space>would<space>have<space>other<space>protections<space>in<space>place<space>to<space>help<space>manage<space>the<space>resources<space>once<space>they<space>get<space>up<space>to<space>a<space>point<space>perhaps<space>where<space>they<space>could<space>be<space>harvested,<space>but<space>just<space>rolling<space>closures<space>where<space>you<space>close<space>an<space>area<space>and<space>then<space>open<space>and<space>close<space>another<space>area,<space>probably<space>not<space>gonna<space>work,<space>just<space>given<space>the<space>fishing<space>effort<space>and<space>everything<space>we<space>have<space>today.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4708.96 0.56 Okay.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4709.84 10.80 Yeah,<space>I<space>can<space>see<space>how<space>very<space>complex<space>the<space>overfishing<space>problem<space>is<space>because<space>you<space>don't<space>want<space>to<space>take<space>away<space>their<space>rights<space>and<space>we<space>don't<space>have<space>a<space>licensing<space>system.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4722.00 2.48 I<space>don't<space>think<space>we<space>have<space>a<space>size<space>limit.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4724.48 1.20 Do<space>we<space>have<space>the<space>size<space>limits?
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4726.00 7.28 I<space>know<space>usually<space>when<space>the<space>size<space>limits<space>is,<space>you<space>can<space>keep<space>the<space>big<space>ones,<space>but<space>leave<space>the<space>small<space>ones<space>in<space>there.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4733.28 6.16 And<space>it's<space>my<space>understanding<space>that<space>some<space>of<space>the<space>science<space>says<space>now,<space>no,<space>you<space>want<space>to<space>leave<space>the<space>big<space>ones<space>and<space>take<space>the<space>small<space>ones.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4739.68 0.32 Yeah.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4740.16 9.68 We<space>have<space>minimum<space>sizes<space>on<space>a<space>lot<space>of<space>fish<space>to<space>protect<space>them<space>at<space>the<space>point<space>where<space>they<space>become<space>reproductively<space>mature,<space>but<space>we<space>do<space>not<space>have<space>maximum<space>size<space>limits<space>on<space>almost<space>everything.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4750.16 7.60 The<space>only<space>example<space>even<space>gets<space>close<space>to<space>that<space>as<space>our<space>new<space>rules<space>for<space>parrotfish,<space>which<space>protect<space>the<space>terminal<space>phase<space>males.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4765.04 2.40 We<space>can<space>take<space>a<space>recess.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4768.24 1.44 Do<space>you<space>need<space>to<space>take<space>a<space>recess?
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4769.68 0.32 Yes.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4771.44 13.92 Members,<space>we'll<space>take<space>a<space>five<space>minute<space>recess.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4785.68 6.40 Will<space>the<space>Infrastructure<space>Environmental<space>Management<space>Committee,<space>please<space>reconvene<space>and<space>thank<space>you<space>for<space>a<space>quick<space>break.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4792.08 1.04 Yes,<space>Mr.<space>Coach.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4793.20 0.64 Thank<space>you.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4793.92 4.88 I<space>had<space>one,<space>maybe<space>two<space>more<space>questions<space>to<space>finish<space>this.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4798.80 2.72 I<space>know<space>we<space>talked<space>about<space>the<space>fishing.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4801.60 16.32 Now,<space>one<space>thing<space>I<space>didn't<space>hear<space>anybody<space>saying,<space>and<space>maybe<space>because<space>of<space>what's<space>going<space>on,<space>that<space>this<space>may<space>not<space>be<space>effective<space>at<space>all,<space>but<space>I've<space>been<space>seeing<space>documentaries<space>and<space>doing<space>some<space>studies<space>and<space>seeing<space>presentations<space>about<space>artificial<space>reefs.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4818.16 8.16 Putting<space>artificial<space>reefs<space>out<space>front<space>to<space>protect<space>the<space>reefs,<space>using<space>the<space>reef<space>balls<space>and<space>things<space>like<space>that.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4826.72 2.08 Are<space>you<space>guys<space>looking<space>into<space>some<space>of<space>that?
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4828.80 1.28 Would<space>that<space>help?
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4830.40 14.08 I<space>know<space>probably<space>wouldn't<space>help<space>the<space>whole<space>bleaching<space>situation,<space>but<space>would<space>it<space>help<space>in<space>any<space>way?
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4845.04 1.76 I<space>guess<space>I'll<space>take<space>that<space>one<space>too.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4847.84 2.32 We<space>do<space>have<space>an<space>artificial<space>reef<space>program.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4850.40 3.60 Pretty<space>much<space>all<space>of<space>the<space>islands<space>have<space>established<space>artificial<space>reef<space>areas.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4854.48 2.64 We've<space>put<space>different<space>types<space>of<space>modules.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4857.12 5.92 And<space>even<space>as<space>far<space>back<space>as<space>tires<space>set<space>in<space>concrete,<space>and<space>there<space>are<space>other<space>things.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4863.12 7.76 The<space>program<space>is<space>centered<space>around<space>building<space>habitat<space>that<space>is<space>good<space>for<space>fish,<space>particularly<space>fish<space>that<space>people<space>might<space>target.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4870.88 2.96 So<space>actually,<space>it's<space>a<space>fisheries<space>enhancement<space>program.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4874.08 4.00 It's<space>not<space>a<space>replacement<space>of<space>natural<space>coral<space>reef<space>mindset.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4878.56 10.08 There<space>are<space>efforts<space>where<space>you<space>really<space>carefully<space>engineer<space>the<space>type<space>of<space>material<space>and<space>you<space>potentially<space>plant<space>corals<space>and<space>things<space>of<space>that<space>sort.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4888.96 7.28 It's<space>a<space>possibility<space>as<space>a<space>last<space>resort,<space>to<space>mitigate<space>or<space>to<space>replace<space>some<space>lost<space>reefs.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4896.24 18.32 But<space>my<space>viewpoint<space>is<space>we<space>would<space>serve<space>much<space>better<space>if<space>we<space>protected<space>our<space>natural<space>reefs,<space>and<space>try<space>to<space>improve<space>the<space>situation<space>so<space>that<space>they<space>recruited<space>out<space>and<space>grew<space>and<space>were<space>healthy<space>and<space>thrive<space>on<space>their<space>own,<space>rather<space>than<space>relating<space>back<space>to<space>putting<space>concrete<space>structures<space>on.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4914.56 7.04 We<space>always<space>could<space>do<space>that,<space>but<space>it's<space>not<space>gonna<space>really<space>bring<space>back<space>the<space>reefs<space>the<space>way<space>they<space>are<space>naturally.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4922.88 3.28 I<space>just<space>want<space>to<space>second<space>Russell's<space>comments.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4927.20 6.40 This<space>is<space>being<space>done<space>of<space>course,<space>in<space>the<space>Caribbean<space>where<space>they<space>have<space>a<space>severe<space>coral<space>loss<space>problem,<space>they're<space>trying<space>different<space>things.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4933.60 8.88 But<space>we<space>think<space>about<space>it<space>in<space>a<space>matter<space>of<space>scale,<space>we're<space>talking<space>about<space>15,000<space>acres<space>of<space>really<space>good<space>coral.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4942.88 4.64 At<space>least<space>it<space>was<space>until<space>a<space>couple<space>of<space>months<space>ago,<space>but<space>it's<space>still<space>pretty<space>good.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4948.24 3.36 And<space>replacing<space>it<space>with<space>little<space>plots<space>here<space>and<space>there.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4953.60 2.40 It's<space>the<space>difference<space>in<space>scale<space>that<space>we're<space>not<space>gonna<space>achieve.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4956.00 3.12 And<space>we<space>should<space>put<space>our<space>effort<space>in<space>protecting<space>what<space>we<space>have.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4961.04 7.12 I<space>just<space>want<space>to<space>emphasize,<space>we've<space>gotten<space>back<space>naturally<space>to<space>the<space>things<space>we<space>can<space>control,<space>like<space>land-based<space>pollution<space>and<space>fishing.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4968.88 3.68 Climate<space>is<space>now<space>the<space>500<space>pound<space>gorilla<space>in<space>the<space>room.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4973.04 6.40 There<space>were<space>thousands<space>of<space>acres<space>bleached<space>in<space>the<space>Northwest<space>Hawaiian<space>islands,<space>which<space>have<space>no<space>runoff<space>and<space>no<space>problems<space>like<space>that.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4979.44 6.08 And<space>so<space>what<space>everybody<space>says<space>or<space>everybody<space>sees<space>happening<space>is<space>that<space>this<space>problem<space>will...
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4985.52 2.96 It<space>may<space>not<space>just<space>incrementally<space>get<space>worse.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4988.80 4.00 Next<space>year<space>may<space>be<space>an<space>off<space>year,<space>but<space>we'll<space>be<space>seeing<space>more<space>of<space>these.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4992.80 2.40 This<space>is<space>unprecedented,<space>and<space>we'll<space>be<space>seeing<space>more<space>of<space>those.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 4995.20 8.72 And<space>we<space>have<space>taken<space>into<space>account<space>that<space>the<space>entire<space>reef<space>track<space>is<space>really<space>at<space>risk,<space>and<space>so<space>we<space>have<space>to<space>do<space>what<space>we<space>can<space>to<space>put<space>these<space>other<space>stressors.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5005.20 1.68 Thank<space>you,<space>Dr.<space>Hugh.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5007.04 0.48 Thank<space>you.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5007.52 0.40 Thank<space>you.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5008.08 3.76 Any<space>further<space>comments,<space>questions?
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5012.72 3.84 I<space>do<space>like<space>to<space>announce<space>the<space>presence<space>of<space>Council<space>Chair,<space>Mike<space>White.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5016.56 0.88 Aloha,<space>thank<space>you.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5017.52 0.88 Thank<space>you,<space>Chair.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5018.56 2.16 I'm<space>sorry<space>I<space>missed<space>the<space>presentation.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5020.72 26.96 I<space>caught<space>some<space>of<space>the<space>latter<space>part<space>of<space>it<space>watching<space>downstairs,<space>but<space>one<space>of<space>the<space>things<space>that<space>Mr<space>Field<space>mentioned<space>was<space>this<space>is<space>our<space>backyard,<space>and<space>I've<space>always<space>felt<space>that<space>there<space>should<space>be<space>more<space>cooperation<space>between<space>the<space>state<space>and<space>the<space>counties,<space>because<space>we<space>have<space>this<space>dividing<space>line<space>at<space>the<space>high<space>water<space>mark.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5047.92 5.60 What's<space>above<space>the<space>high<space>water<space>mark<space>is<space>our<space>responsibility<space>and<space>what's<space>below<space>the<space>high<space>water<space>mark<space>is<space>the<space>states.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5053.60 5.60 And<space>I<space>think<space>that<space>allows<space>too<space>high<space>a<space>level<space>of<space>cop-out.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5059.36 34.48 And<space>I<space>would<space>love<space>to<space>see<space>us<space>develop<space>some<space>protected<space>areas<space>that<space>we<space>could<space>then<space>help<space>DLNR<space>to<space>police<space>by<space>putting<space>our<space>own<space>resources<space>into<space>deputizing<space>people<space>that<space>would<space>work<space>alongside<space>with<space>DLNR<space>or<space>become<space>part<space>of<space>DLNR.<space>But<space>I<space>think<space>that<space>we've<space>got<space>a<space>responsibility<space>to<space>protect<space>this<space>resource<space>and<space>having<space>lived<space>here<space>all<space>my<space>life,<space>I've<space>not<space>ever<space>seen<space>us<space>really<space>take<space>it<space>terribly<space>seriously.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5094.16 5.68 DLNR<space>is<space>one<space>of<space>the<space>most<space>poorly<space>funded<space>parts<space>of<space>the<space>state<space>government.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5100.00 8.96 And<space>yet<space>they're<space>responsible<space>for<space>overseeing<space>a<space>huge<space>stretch<space>of<space>not<space>only<space>our<space>land,<space>but<space>our<space>oceans.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5110.08 3.36 And<space>I<space>remember<space>I<space>was<space>in<space>the<space>legislature<space>once.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5113.44 4.08 We<space>passed<space>the<space>subsistence<space>fishing<space>zone<space>for<space>the<space>island<space>of<space>Molokai.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5117.76 8.32 I<space>don't<space>remember<space>the<space>gentleman's<space>name,<space>but<space>he<space>had<space>been<space>working<space>in<space>aquatics<space>for<space>many,<space>many<space>years.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5126.56 7.12 I<space>called<space>him<space>and<space>I<space>said,<space>"It<space>looks<space>like<space>we're<space>gonna<space>be<space>able<space>to<space>get<space>a<space>bill<space>just<space>for<space>Molokai.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5133.68 5.68 Should<space>we<space>just<space>take<space>the<space>Senate<space>version<space>or<space>try<space>again<space>next<space>year"?
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5139.92 7.20 And<space>he<space>said,<space>"It<space>took<space>me<space>20<space>years<space>just<space>to<space>change<space>the<space>size<space>of<space>the<space>opening<space>in<space>gillnets.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5147.68 3.68 So<space>take<space>what<space>you<space>got<space>and<space>run<space>like<space>hell".
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5151.76 14.88 And<space>that<space>basically<space>points<space>out<space>the<space>fact<space>that,<space>I<space>don't<space>think<space>lawmakers<space>have<space>taken<space>a<space>full<space>responsibility<space>for<space>protecting<space>what's<space>out<space>there.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5166.72 1.68 We<space>don't<space>have<space>fishing<space>licenses.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5169.84 6.24 As<space>even<space>Mr.<space>Sparks<space>said,<space>we<space>don't<space>have<space>an<space>idea<space>what<space>the<space>take<space>is,<space>except<space>from<space>commercial<space>fishermen.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5176.88 3.52 But<space>we've<space>all<space>got<space>a<space>responsibility<space>to<space>protect<space>the<space>reefs.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5180.40 6.80 And<space>if<space>over<space>fishing<space>or<space>fishing<space>is<space>part<space>of<space>the<space>problem,<space>then<space>we<space>should<space>be<space>dealing<space>with<space>it.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5187.36 6.40 And<space>from<space>a<space>county<space>perspective,<space>I<space>wouldn't<space>mind<space>putting<space>some<space>resources<space>towards<space>that.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5194.16 6.80 We<space>spend<space>more<space>than<space>any<space>other<space>county,<space>with<space>respect<space>to<space>watershed<space>protection.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5201.12 4.72 Well,<space>that's<space>just<space>one<space>end<space>of<space>it,<space>but<space>I<space>wouldn't<space>have<space>a<space>problem.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5205.84 11.68 I<space>don't<space>think<space>anyone<space>else<space>in<space>this<space>room<space>would<space>have<space>a<space>problem<space>providing<space>resources<space>to<space>assist<space>with<space>the<space>near<space>shore<space>waters<space>because<space>they're<space>part<space>of<space>our<space>home,<space>just<space>like<space>the<space>land<space>is.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5217.68 3.28 So<space>I<space>really<space>appreciate<space>you<space>guys<space>coming.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5220.96 9.04 I<space>wish<space>I<space>didn't<space>have<space>another<space>meeting<space>that<space>I<space>had<space>to<space>deal<space>with,<space>but<space>I<space>really<space>appreciate<space>your<space>time<space>and<space>energy<space>that<space>you've<space>put<space>into<space>this.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5231.04 1.52 Thank<space>you,<space>Chair<space>White.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5233.44 4.72 Members<space>any<space>further<space>discussion,<space>comments<space>for<space>our<space>panelists<space>here<space>today?
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5238.64 4.96 Seeing<space>none,<space>I<space>want<space>to<space>thank<space>all<space>of<space>you<space>for<space>your<space>time,<space>energy,<space>and<space>effort,<space>and<space>especially<space>your<space>expertise.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5243.60 11.20 And<space>again,<space>thank<space>you<space>for<space>contributing<space>to<space>my<space>position<space>with<space>the<space>Governance<space>Coordinating<space>Committee<space>with<space>the<space>National<space>Ocean<space>Policy<space>Makers<space>up<space>on<space>the<space>federal<space>level.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5254.80 15.92 And<space>I'll<space>tell<space>you<space>members<space>and<space>Maui<space>county<space>as<space>a<space>whole,<space>and<space>to<space>the<space>state<space>that<space>the<space>people<space>that<space>you<space>see<space>right<space>in<space>front<space>of<space>us<space>are<space>really<space>helping<space>to<space>make<space>some<space>great<space>policies<space>to<space>help<space>address<space>all<space>the<space>things<space>that<space>we<space>discussed<space>here<space>today.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5270.80 1.68 So<space>it's<space>gonna<space>take<space>all<space>the<space>efforts.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5272.56 12.88 Yes,<space>Mr.<space>White,<space>I<space>know<space>local<space>county<space>federal<space>level,<space>and<space>collectively,<space>we<space>can<space>get<space>things<space>done<space>and<space>I<space>feel<space>a<space>great<space>tide<space>or<space>a<space>groundswell<space>of<space>movement<space>with<space>everyone.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5285.60 11.12 I<space>think<space>we're<space>all<space>forced<space>into<space>this<space>corner<space>right<space>now<space>with<space>global<space>warming<space>and<space>what<space>have<space>you,<space>that<space>we<space>need<space>to<space>take<space>action<space>swiftly,<space>quickly<space>and<space>so<space>thank<space>you<space>all<space>members.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5296.80 6.88 And<space>we<space>shall<space>now<space>take<space>a<space>brief<space>recess<space>to<space>reset<space>the<space>room,<space>and<space>it<space>looks<space>like<space>we<space>have<space>public<space>works<space>here<space>to<space>join<space>us<space>next.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5303.76 1.92 So<space>with<space>that,<space>thanks<space>everybody.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5305.68 9.12 And<space>we<space>will<space>be<space>in<space>a<space>short<space>recess.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5315.44 8.96 Will<space>the<space>Infrastructure<space>Environmental<space>Management<space>Committee<space>please<space>reconvene<space>and<space>members,<space>we<space>are<space>onto<space>our<space>next<space>item,<space>IEM<space>40.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5324.40 10.88 This<space>is<space>in<space>regards<space>to<space>termination<space>of<space>license<space>agreement<space>affecting<space>lots,<space>143,<space>144<space>and<space>145<space>of<space>the<space>Pukalani<space>lots<space>at<space>Kehua,<space>Pukalani.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5335.60 3.60 And<space>this<space>is<space>a<space>count<space>of<space>communication.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5340.08 14.72 15-241<space>from<space>Director<space>of<space>Public<space>Works,<space>transmitting<space>a<space>proposed<space>resolution<space>entitled,<space>"Termination<space>of<space>License<space>Affecting<space>Lots<space>143,<space>144<space>and<space>145<space>of<space>the<space>Pukalani<space>lots<space>at<space>Kehua<space>Kula<space>island<space>of<space>Maui<space>Hawaii".
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5354.80 12.56 The<space>purpose<space>of<space>the<space>proposed<space>resolution<space>is<space>to<space>terminate<space>an<space>unused<space>license<space>in<space>favor<space>of<space>the<space>county<space>of<space>Maui<space>for<space>drain<space>and<space>sewer<space>line<space>purposes<space>on<space>three<space>lots<space>in<space>Pukalani<space>Maui,<space>Hawaii.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5367.68 8.16 And<space>with<space>that,<space>I<space>will<space>turn<space>the<space>floor<space>over<space>to<space>Director<space>Goode<space>of<space>public<space>works<space>for<space>some<space>opening<space>comments.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5376.32 1.12 So,<space>Dr.<space>Goode.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5377.60 2.24 Good<space>afternoon,<space>Chair,<space>members<space>of<space>the<space>committee.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5380.00 2.08 Dave<space>Goode<space>here<space>from<space>the<space>Department<space>of<space>Public<space>Works.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5382.16 5.92 And<space>before<space>you<space>today<space>is<space>an<space>interesting<space>case<space>for<space>us.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5388.80 7.12 And<space>first<space>I'm<space>gonna<space>ask<space>if<space>the<space>members<space>have<space>the<space>map<space>showing<space>where<space>this<space>is<space>located.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5396.00 6.32 It's<space>actually<space>on<space>page<space>two<space>of<space>our<space>transmittal,<space>and<space>I<space>know<space>that<space>it<space>was<space>supposed<space>to<space>be<space>in<space>red.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5402.40 2.64 My<space>copy,<space>it<space>was<space>in<space>black<space>so<space>it<space>was<space>hard<space>to<space>see.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5405.04 5.28 So<space>I'll<space>make<space>sure<space>members<space>all<space>see<space>where<space>we're<space>talking<space>about.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5412.00 6.32 Director,<space>it's<space>transmittal<space>August<space>31st,<space>dated<space>August<space>31st<space>on<space>the<space>cover<space>page.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5418.32 0.72 Is<space>that<space>correct?
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5419.04 0.64 Okay.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5420.56 2.16 So<space>there's<space>a<space>map<space>on<space>the<space>second<space>page.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5422.88 0.96 Yes,<space>I<space>see<space>it.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5423.84 2.64 It<space>says<space>shown<space>in<space>red<space>and<space>mine<space>just<space>happens<space>to<space>be<space>black.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5426.48 0.72 So<space>it<space>was<space>really<space>hard<space>to<space>see.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5427.20 1.60 Just<space>want<space>to<space>make<space>sure<space>the<space>members<space>have<space>it.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5428.96 12.80 I<space>have<space>the<space>red<space>line<space>here.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5442.32 1.60 Okay,<space>we<space>got<space>red.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5444.00 1.12 Yes,<space>I<space>do.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5445.68 1.92 You<space>guys<space>got<space>red?
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5447.60 2.24 Okay,<space>better<space>than<space>my<space>copy<space>goes.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5450.32 0.48 Okay.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5454.72 4.64 This<space>particular<space>portion<space>of<space>the<space>lower<space>end<space>of<space>Pukalani<space>was<space>developed<space>in<space>the<space>early<space>50s.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5459.60 7.60 And<space>they<space>had<space>these<space>long,<space>skinny<space>lots<space>around<space>Malcolm<space>Makai<space>and<space>cross<space>a<space>couple<space>of<space>our...
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5467.28 4.32 Across,<space>I<space>guess,<space>in<space>some<space>ways,<space>our<space>roadway.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5472.64 3.12 And<space>they<space>have<space>they're<space>private<space>lots.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5476.00 1.52 We<space>do<space>not<space>own<space>them.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5478.16 11.84 They're<space>last<space>owned<space>by,<space>it<space>looks<space>like<space>Frank<space>Munoz,<space>Jesse<space>Munoz<space>and<space>Emmmanuel<space>Sui.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5490.16 13.60 And<space>as<space>far<space>as<space>we<space>know,<space>they<space>were<space>never<space>probated,<space>but<space>they<space>also<space>included<space>on<space>these<space>long,<space>skinny<space>lots,<space>a<space>license<space>to<space>the<space>county<space>of<space>Maui<space>for<space>future<space>drainage<space>or<space>sewer<space>lines<space>improvements.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5504.64 5.20 We<space>never<space>installed<space>any<space>drain<space>line<space>improvements,<space>we<space>never<space>installed<space>any<space>sewer<space>line<space>improvements.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5510.00 3.60 We<space>had<space>no<space>intention<space>of<space>installing<space>either<space>of<space>them.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5513.92 10.64 So<space>we<space>were<space>interested<space>in<space>canceling<space>that<space>license<space>because<space>we<space>do<space>get<space>an<space>occasional<space>call<space>from<space>someone<space>that<space>says,<space>"You<space>gotta<space>come<space>clean<space>out<space>your<space>lots".
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5524.56 6.48 They're<space>not<space>our<space>lots<space>and<space>the<space>license<space>just<space>gave<space>us<space>the<space>right<space>to<space>install,<space>either<space>drain<space>our<space>sewer<space>lines.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5531.12 2.80 And<space>yet<space>we<space>have<space>no<space>intention<space>of<space>doing<space>so.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5534.32 3.12 So<space>we<space>want<space>to<space>basically<space>cancel<space>license.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5537.52 8.88 Normally<space>a<space>license,<space>you<space>can<space>ask<space>core<space>council<space>here,<space>but<space>normally<space>a<space>license<space>has<space>a<space>30<space>day<space>cancel<space>clause<space>by<space>either<space>party.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5546.64 2.40 And<space>usually<space>with<space>some<space>kind<space>of<space>notice,<space>given<space>the<space>other<space>party.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5549.04 1.52 There's<space>no<space>notice<space>in<space>here.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5550.64 4.88 The<space>way<space>the<space>license<space>is<space>written,<space>it's<space>written,<space>as<space>it<space>says,<space>acts<space>as<space>an<space>easement.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5556.00 4.96 So,<space>I<space>thought<space>it's<space>best<space>that<space>we<space>have<space>a<space>council<space>action.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5560.96 11.84 It<space>would<space>be<space>a<space>resolution<space>and<space>we<space>can<space>then<space>record<space>on<space>the<space>property<space>to<space>show<space>that<space>the<space>county<space>has<space>no<space>interest<space>in<space>executing<space>this<space>license.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5573.20 7.36 If<space>for<space>some<space>reason<space>in<space>the<space>future,<space>it<space>is<space>desired<space>by<space>the<space>county<space>to<space>use<space>these<space>parcels.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5580.56 3.28 And<space>by<space>the<space>way,<space>these<space>parcels<space>are<space>10<space>feet<space>wide.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5586.56 3.52 It's<space>really<space>not<space>enough<space>room<space>to<space>even<space>backhoe<space>in<space>there<space>and<space>work.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5590.64 7.60 But<space>if<space>for<space>some<space>reason,<space>the<space>county<space>did<space>want<space>to<space>acquire<space>those<space>parcels,<space>the<space>parcels<space>are<space>basically<space>sitting<space>out<space>there.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5599.92 5.04 Again,<space>last<space>owned<space>by<space>three<space>individuals<space>who<space>as<space>far<space>as<space>we<space>know,<space>never<space>probated<space>them<space>out.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5605.20 5.68 So<space>I<space>suppose<space>we<space>could<space>go<space>to<space>court,<space>get<space>control<space>of<space>the<space>properties<space>if<space>indeed<space>we<space>needed<space>to.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5611.28 13.68 So<space>anyway,<space>that's<space>the<space>purpose<space>of<space>this<space>resolution<space>today,<space>again,<space>is<space>to<space>formally<space>sever<space>our<space>ties<space>with<space>the<space>license<space>agreement<space>and<space>carry<space>on.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5626.80 1.60 Thank<space>you,<space>Director<space>Goode.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5629.04 8.72 Members,<space>any<space>questions<space>and<space>before<space>I<space>get<space>comments<space>from<space>the<space>floor,<space>I<space>do<space>have<space>a<space>question<space>for<space>corporation<space>counsel,<space>Ms.<space>Thompson.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5638.40 8.08 It<space>appears<space>that<space>the<space>Rezo<space>doesn't<space>reference<space>any<space>provisions<space>of<space>state<space>or<space>county<space>law<space>for<space>terminating<space>such<space>licenses.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5646.56 18.00 Should<space>we<space>be<space>concerned<space>with<space>that<space>to<space>figure<space>out<space>a<space>legal<space>process<space>of<space>our<space>involvement<space>in<space>doing<space>this<space>type<space>of<space>action<space>at<space>all?
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5665.12 0.96 Thank<space>you,<space>Chair.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5668.88 6.08 The<space>nature<space>of<space>this<space>easement<space>would<space>be<space>more<space>in<space>common<space>law<space>and<space>related<space>to<space>abandonment<space>of<space>easements.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5676.56 7.04 Say,<space>if<space>the<space>owner<space>wanted<space>to<space>come<space>back<space>to<space>the<space>county<space>and<space>say,<space>you've<space>never<space>used<space>this<space>property<space>for<space>65<space>years.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5683.60 20.16 And<space>so<space>therefore<space>you've<space>effectively<space>abandoned<space>your<space>right<space>to<space>use<space>it,<space>but<space>that<space>is<space>all<space>related<space>to<space>common<space>law<space>usage<space>and<space>chapter<space>344<space>of<space>the<space>Maui<space>County<space>Code<space>discusses<space>the<space>county's<space>disposition<space>of<space>county<space>property<space>in<space>easements<space>or<space>in<space>fee<space>simple.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5703.76 7.44 But<space>that<space>wouldn't<space>apply<space>to<space>this<space>case<space>since<space>we're<space>really<space>just<space>relinquishing<space>the<space>right<space>to<space>use<space>someone<space>else's<space>property,<space>which<space>I<space>believe<space>is<space>practice<space>drafted.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5711.36 0.96 Okay,<space>very<space>good.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5712.40 2.24 Thank<space>you<space>for<space>that<space>clarification,<space>Ms.<space>Thompson.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5714.80 7.12 Members,<space>the<space>floor<space>is<space>now<space>open<space>for<space>questions,<space>comments,<space>anything<space>of<space>director<space>or<space>corporation<space>council<space>here?
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5722.40 1.76 No,<space>everyone's<space>all<space>good?
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5724.56 2.72 We're<space>all<space>good,<space>Mr.<space>Goode.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5727.84 6.00 Okay,<space>so<space>with<space>that<space>then<space>I<space>shall<space>make<space>my<space>recommendation.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5736.32 10.40 I<space>would<space>like<space>to<space>recommend<space>adoption<space>of<space>the<space>proposed<space>resolution<space>and<space>of<space>course<space>incorporating<space>any<space>non-substantive<space>revisions<space>and<space>filing<space>of<space>the<space>county<space>communication.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5748.56 9.12 Thank<space>you,<space>it's<space>been<space>moved<space>by<space>Chair<space>White,<space>seconded<space>by<space>Ms.<space>Baisa<space>and<space>members,<space>any<space>need<space>for<space>further<space>discussion<space>on<space>the<space>matter?
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5757.84 3.20 Seeing<space>none<space>then,<space>all<space>those<space>in<space>favor,<space>say<space>aye.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5761.12 0.40 Aye.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5761.76 2.00 Any<space>opposed,<space>say<space>no.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5764.32 5.28 Seeing<space>no<space>oppose<space>measure<space>passes<space>with,<space>let<space>us<space>see.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5769.84 4.72 Three<space>at<space>five<space>eyes,<space>two<space>excused<space>and<space>zero<space>nos.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5774.56 1.36 So,<space>okay.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5777.28 0.72 That's<space>all<space>done.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5778.00 3.84 Director<space>Goode,<space>thank<space>you<space>for<space>your<space>presence<space>here<space>today<space>and<space>explanation.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5782.24 10.00 So<space>next<space>on<space>our<space>agenda,<space>we<space>have<space>IEM<space>42,<space>and<space>this<space>is<space>grant<space>of<space>sewer<space>line<space>easement<space>to<space>Hospice<space>Maui<space>Incorporated<space>in<space>Wailuku.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5792.48 9.04 And<space>this<space>item<space>is<space>a<space>county<space>communication,<space>15-262<space>from<space>Director<space>of<space>Housing<space>and<space>Human<space>Concerns.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5801.84 3.04 Ms.<space>Ryman,<space>would<space>you<space>like<space>to<space>come<space>and<space>join<space>us?
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5805.20 11.68 And<space>transmitting<space>proposed<space>resolution<space>entitled,<space>"Authorizing<space>the<space>Granting<space>of<space>Easements<space>for<space>Sewer<space>Line<space>Purposes<space>to<space>Hospice<space>Maui<space>Inc,<space>Pursuant<space>to<space>Chapter<space>3.44,<space>Maui<space>County<space>Code".
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5816.96 19.28 And<space>the<space>purpose<space>of<space>the<space>proposed<space>resolution<space>is<space>to<space>grant<space>to<space>Hospice<space>Maui,<space>Inc.,<space>a<space>sewer<space>line<space>easement<space>for<space>the<space>limited<space>purpose<space>of<space>installing<space>underground<space>sewer<space>pipelines<space>and<space>related<space>facilities<space>within<space>the<space>leased<space>premises<space>and<space>other<space>real<space>property<space>owned<space>by<space>the<space>county<space>of<space>Maui<space>to<space>connect<space>to<space>public<space>sewer<space>system.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5836.56 7.76 So<space>at<space>this<space>point<space>I<space>shall<space>welcome<space>Director<space>of<space>Housing<space>and<space>Human<space>Concerns,<space>Ms.<space>Carol<space>Ryman,<space>aloha.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5844.72 0.72 Aloha<space>Chair.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5845.60 0.72 Aloha.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5846.40 6.80 And<space>I'm<space>opening<space>up<space>the<space>floor<space>to<space>yourself<space>and<space>Director<space>Goode,<space>whoever<space>would<space>like<space>to<space>speak<space>to<space>the<space>item,<space>you<space>may.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5853.44 0.88 Thank<space>you,<space>Chair.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5854.40 5.68 Members<space>of<space>the<space>committee,<space>my<space>name<space>is<space>Carol<space>Ryman,<space>Director<space>of<space>Housing<space>and<space>Human<space>Concerns.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5860.24 7.68 So<space>basically<space>Hospice<space>Maui,<space>the<space>side<space>of<space>Mahalani<space>Street<space>that<space>they<space>are<space>currently<space>at<space>does<space>not<space>have<space>any<space>sewage<space>systems.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5867.92 7.44 So<space>this<space>easement<space>is<space>to<space>allow<space>them<space>to<space>hook<space>up<space>to<space>the<space>county<space>sewage<space>facility<space>that's<space>on<space>the<space>other<space>side<space>of<space>the<space>street.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5875.44 9.68 And<space>it<space>will<space>go<space>under<space>Mahalani<space>Road<space>and<space>Mahalani<space>Road<space>from<space>what<space>I<space>understand<space>is<space>in<space>the<space>jurisdiction<space>of<space>Public<space>Works<space>and<space>so<space>they're<space>good<space>as<space>here<space>as<space>well.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5885.28 0.48 Okay.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5885.76 1.84 Thank<space>you,<space>Ms.<space>Ryman<space>and<space>Director.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5887.60 2.40 Goode,<space>did<space>you<space>have<space>some<space>comments<space>to<space>add<space>at<space>all?
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5891.84 3.28 Just<space>briefly<space>Chair,<space>just<space>as<space>it<space>relates<space>to<space>the<space>roadway.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5896.08 6.40 If<space>the<space>hospice<space>is<space>in<space>charge<space>of<space>the<space>line,<space>if<space>they<space>have<space>to<space>do<space>anything<space>to<space>the<space>line,<space>they<space>always<space>notify<space>us<space>and<space>we'd<space>work<space>with<space>them.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5902.88 0.56 Okay.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5903.52 1.12 All<space>right,<space>very<space>good.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5904.80 1.60 Pretty<space>straightforward<space>there.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5907.44 1.60 Ms.<space>Thompson,<space>yes.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5909.60 0.88 Thank<space>you,<space>Chair.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5910.48 1.52 I<space>just<space>wanted<space>to<space>correct.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5912.32 6.40 There<space>was<space>some<space>testimony<space>earlier<space>that<space>this<space>was<space>an<space>easement<space>from<space>the<space>county<space>to<space>the<space>county<space>and<space>that's<space>not<space>correct.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5918.72 8.72 It's<space>actually<space>an<space>easement<space>to<space>benefit<space>Hospice<space>Maui<space>as<space>an<space>easement<space>for<space>a<space>term<space>that<space>coincides<space>with<space>the<space>lease<space>term<space>of<space>the<space>hospice<space>facility.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5927.76 6.24 Okay,<space>did<space>I<space>read<space>that<space>out<space>of<space>our<space>agenda<space>item?
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5935.28 5.04 It<space>was<space>just<space>to<space>correct<space>what<space>was<space>said<space>by<space>Mr.<space>Logoi,<space>the<space>public<space>testifier.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5940.56 1.36 Oh<space>okay,<space>got<space>it.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5941.92 7.28 Thank<space>you<space>very<space>much<space>for<space>that<space>clarification<space>and<space>members,<space>any<space>need<space>for<space>further<space>discussion,<space>comments?
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5949.92 1.20 Yes,<space>Ms.<space>Baisa.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5951.52 2.32 Thank<space>you<space>very<space>much<space>Chair<space>and<space>I<space>would<space>like<space>to<space>comment.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5953.92 3.84 I<space>want<space>to<space>say<space>that<space>I'm<space>very<space>happy<space>that<space>we're<space>at<space>this<space>juncture<space>here.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5958.40 6.00 Hospice<space>has<space>been<space>trying<space>for<space>a<space>very<space>long<space>time<space>to<space>get<space>this<space>taken<space>care<space>of<space>and<space>it's<space>a<space>big<space>need<space>in<space>our<space>community.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5964.48 7.44 I<space>think<space>we're<space>all<space>realizing<space>more<space>as<space>we<space>watch<space>the<space>news<space>and<space>what<space>goes<space>on<space>that<space>we<space>really<space>need<space>this<space>facility.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5971.92 3.52 So<space>I'm<space>very<space>happy<space>that<space>this<space>is<space>here<space>today<space>and<space>that<space>I<space>can<space>support<space>it.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5975.44 2.32 And<space>I<space>asked<space>my<space>colleagues<space>to<space>do<space>so<space>too.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5978.40 2.08 Thank<space>you<space>for<space>your<space>comments,<space>Ms.<space>Baisa.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5980.48 2.56 Any<space>further<space>discussion<space>or<space>comments?
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5983.36 2.32 Seeing<space>none<space>then,<space>I<space>shall<space>make<space>my<space>recommendation.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5985.84 0.80 Recommendations.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5986.80 0.72 Thank<space>you.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 5987.92 21.60 I<space>want<space>to<space>entertain<space>a<space>motion<space>to<space>recommend<space>adoption<space>of<space>the<space>proposed<space>resolution<space>entitled:<space>Authorizing<space>the<space>granting<space>of<space>easements<space>for<space>sewer<space>line<space>purposes<space>to<space>Hospice<space>Maui<space>Inc.,<space>pursuant<space>to<space>chapter<space>3.44<space>Maui<space>County<space>Code,<space>incorporate<space>any<space>non-substantive<space>revisions<space>and<space>filing<space>of<space>county<space>communication<space>15-262.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 6010.40 0.56 Thank<space>you.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 6010.96 3.52 It's<space>been<space>moved<space>by<space>Chair<space>White,<space>seconded<space>by<space>Ms.<space>Baisa.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 6014.56 3.20 And<space>at<space>this<space>time,<space>any<space>discussion<space>needed?
+IEM_11-16-15 1 6018.24 2.72 Seeing<space>none,<space>all<space>those<space>in<space>favor,<space>say<space>aye.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 6021.20 0.32 Aye.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 6021.52 1.68 Any<space>opposed,<space>say<space>no.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 6023.68 19.36 Seeing<space>no<space>opposed,<space>motion<space>passes<space>with<space>five<space>ayes,<space>two<space>excused<space>and<space>zero<space>nos<space>and<space>members<space>with<space>that,<space>I<space>believe<space>we<space>have<space>completed<space>our<space>agenda<space>today,<space>and<space>thank<space>you<space>very<space>much<space>for<space>all<space>attending<space>and<space>this<space>meeting<space>is<space>adjourned.
+IEM_11-16-15 1 6047.20 13.04 ♪<space>Around<space>you<space>everywhere<space>♪<space>♪<space>Take<space>a<space>walk<space>in<space>the<space>country<space>♪<space>♪<space>Feel<space>the<space>wind<space>in<space>your<space>hair<space>♪<space>♪<space>Take<space>a<space>walk<space>in<space>the<space>country<space>♪