Template talk:Did you know (WP:TDYK)

This page is to nominate fresh articles to appear in the "Did you know" section on the Main Page with a "hook" (an interesting note). Nominations that have been approved are moved to a staging area and then promoted into the Queue. To update this page,  it.   === Frequently asked questions === How do I write an interesting hook? Successful hooks tend to have several traits. Most importantly, they share a surprising or intriguing fact. They give readers enough context to understand the hook, but leave enough out to make them want to learn more. They are written for a general audience who has no prior knowledge of or interest in the topic area. Lastly, they are concise, and do not attempt to cover multiple facts or present information about the subject beyond what's needed to understand the hook. When will my nomination be reviewed? This page is often backlogged. As long as your submission is still on the page, it will stay there until an editor reviews it. Since editors are encouraged to review the oldest submissions first, it may take several weeks until your submission is reviewed. In the meantime, please consider reviewing another submission (not your own) to help reduce the backlog (see instructions below). Where is my hook? If you can't find the nomination you submitted to this nominations page, it may have been approved and is on the approved nominations page waiting to be promoted. It could also have been added to one of the prep areas,  promoted from prep to a queue, or is on the main page. If the nominated hook is in none of those places, then the nomination has probably been rejected. Such a rejection usually only occurs if it was at least a couple of weeks old and had unresolved issues for which any discussion had gone stale. If you think your nomination was unfairly rejected, you can query this on the DYK discussion page, but as a general rule such nominations will only be restored in exceptional circumstances.  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This has the effect of wrapping up the discussion on the DYK nomination subpage in a blue archive box and stating that the nomination was unsuccessful, as well as adding the nomination to a category for archival purposes.   === How to remove a hook from the prep areas or queue === Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it. Go to the hook's nomination subpage (there should have been a link to it in the credits section). View the edit history for that page Go back to the last version before the edit where the hook was promoted, and revert to that version to make the nomination active again. Add a new icon on the nomination subpage to cancel the previous tick and leave a comment after it explaining that the hook was removed from the prep area or queue, and why, so that later reviewers are aware of this issue. Add a transclusion of the template back to this page so that reviewers can see it. It goes under the date that it was first created/expanded/listed as a GA. You may need to add back the day header for that date if it had been removed from this page. If you removed the hook from a queue, it is best to either replace it with another hook from one of the prep areas, or to leave a message at WT:DYK asking someone else to do so.   === How to move a nomination subpage to a new name === Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.   = Nominations =   === Articles created/expanded on January 3 ===   ==== Buchanan's Station ====  ALT0 ... that an overloaded blunderbuss that exploded when fired was mistaken for a canon and scared the 300+ Indian attackers at Buchanan's Station (pictured), into retreat? Source: Slate, Mike; Buchanan's Station : The battle that saved the Cumberland settlements; WebPage; Nashville Historical Newsletter online; retrieved December 2022 ALT1: ... that 15-20 sharpshooters at Buchanan's Station (pictured), withstood an attack by a Native American confederation of over 300 warriors, including Tecumseh? Source: Slate, Mike; Buchanan's Station : The battle that saved the Cumberland settlements; WebPage; Nashville Historical Newsletter online; retrieved December 2022Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Loophonium Comment: QPQ  DoneCreated by GenQuest (talk). Self-nominated at 21:36, 3 January 2023 (UTC).  Proposing new ALT hooks: ALT2: ... that 15 gunmen repelled an attack by hundreds of Chickamauga Cherokee, Creek, and Shawnee warriors during the Battle of Buchanan’s Station? ALT3: ... that Sally Buchanan was called “the greatest heroine of the West” for distributing ammunition during the Battle of Buchanan’s Station? ALT4: ... that Sally Buchanan was said to have carried bullets in her apron and distributed whiskey while singing during the Battle of Buchanan's Station? ALT4a: ... that heavily pregnant Sally Buchanan was said to have carried bullets in her apron and distributed whiskey while singing during the Battle of Buchanan's Station? Needs a full review in light of significant changes to the article, plus new ALT hooks. Hooks might need workshopping, etc., but article itself is now in much better shape. Cielquiparle (talk) 18:44, 25 March 2023 (UTC)I'll take on the re-review here.  Skimmed the article content, which looks fine (although I'd recommend avoiding the use of "Indian" and going with "Native American" instead).  Hooks look fine from a first glance. QPQ is done.  My primary concern at the moment is that HMDB is not a reliable source.  A bit more to follow - will perform some basic source-text and copyvio checks this evening. Hog Farm  Talk 17:02, 28 March 2023 (UTC)  Thanks Hog Farm. I am the one who swapped in HMDB, mainly to swap this blogspot photo as a source, which seemed far worse. The point is that the historical marker itself was being referenced as a source, and as we all know, they aren't always correct, so I'll search for a better source and replace it. I think I've now mostly removed the few instances of Indian but left Northwest Indian Wars. Cielquiparle (talk) 17:30, 28 March 2023 (UTC) @GenQuest and Hog Farm: I have now removed the entire section referring to the Buchanan Log House, which had nothing to do with Buchanan's Station. The Buchanan Log House, referred to in the historical marker, was built by James Buchanan, son of Archibald and Agnes Buchanan of Clover Bottom – not Major John Buchanan of Buchanan's Station. See the Buchanan Log House website under "Myths & Mysteries". Cielquiparle (talk) 18:09, 28 March 2023 (UTC)  @GenQuest and Cielquiparle: - I'm having some trouble figuring out how the citations align. "John Buchanan first came to the Washington District in early 1780, settling in the vicinity of Fort Nashboro. Buchanan left Fort Nashboro with a large party in the spring of 1784 [...] . It was situated between Mill Creek and what later became the Buchanan Mill Road" is apparently sourced to "Buchanan’s Station and Cemetery; WebPage; Nashville Historical Newsletter online; retrieved December 2022", but I'm not finding any reference to the Washington District, Fort Nashboro, or Buchanan Mill Road on that webpage?  I'm not entirely for sure what DYK's stance on source-text integrity is, but after WP:DCGAR I've been trying to spot-check everything I review. Pinging Theleekycauldron as the resident rules expert. Hog Farm  Talk 01:39, 29 March 2023 (UTC) @Hog Farm: all of the facts mentioned in the hook need to be sourced at the end of the sentence in their respective places in (at least one if there are multiple) the bolded article – that sourcing needs to be checked and verified to make sure the hook is accurate. By all means, please get any discrepancies cleared up :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 05:05, 29 March 2023 (UTC) I will fix it. I was trying not to rewrite the entire article, so I focused on the Battle section and added "Early hostilities" which already seemed like a lot, but given all the issues, I can fix the rest too. Cielquiparle (talk) 05:18, 29 March 2023 (UTC)   === Articles created/expanded on January 4 ===   ==== Northeastern Army ====  ... that Nationalist China's own Northeastern Army kidnapped Chiang Kai-shek (pictured) to convince him to join the Second United Front? Source: Pages 150-169 in Itoh, Mayumi (3 October 2016). The Making of China's War with Japan: Zhou Enlai and Zhang Xueliang. Springer. ISBN 978-981-10-0494-0. Reviewed:5x expanded by SilverStar54 (talk). Self-nominated at 02:09, 8 January 2023 (UTC).  Policy compliance:  Adequate sourcing: N - n Neutral: Y Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: YOverall:  @SilverStar54: Good article. However  "In early 1927, the forces of the NPA engaged the National Revolutionary Army (NRA) in Henan and Jiangsu." Needs a citation "and on 17 October, Yu Zhishan surrendered Eastern Liaoning to the Japanese." Needs a citation Other notable commanders list should probably be cited.If you can fix that then I'll pass. Onegreatjoke (talk) 21:02, 9 January 2023 (UTC)  Hopefully this is the right spot to respond (first time in the DYK process), but thank you for the quick review. I've revised the article to add sources (or remove unsourced material) where you requested. Let me know if there's any further steps I should take. SilverStar54 (talk) 07:46, 10 January 2023 (UTC)  Forgot to promote. Hope to see more expansions about the warlord era. Onegreatjoke (talk) 18:24, 19 January 2023 (UTC) @SilverStar54:  could you point as to where in the article we're going with "kidnapping", rather than detainment? Also, where could I find the bit about convincing him to join the second united front? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 09:13, 24 January 2023 (UTC) @Theleekycauldron: I feel that either term could be used to describe the events, I chose "kidnapping" just because it's more eye-catching for a hook. Do you feel like that's too much of a creative liberty? About the Second United Front, thank you for pointing that out. I describe it, but I never actually included a link to the Second United Front in that section (fixed now). It's what I'm describing in these two sentences: "By the end of the negotiations, Chiang had verbally promised to end the civil war, to resist the Japanese together, and to invite Zhou to Nanjing for further talks. Although he publicly renounced his promises after being released, he quietly followed through on them over the following months." I think that more detail about the Second United Front would be tangential to the article, but I could add more about the negotiations. SilverStar54 (talk) 20:19, 24 January 2023 (UTC) @SilverStar54: I'd say that "kidnapping" probably has connotations we couldn't back up, but I could be wrong. When you say "join the Second United Front", you don't mean as a card-carrying member? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 03:42, 29 January 2023 (UTC) @Theleekycauldron: I guess I feel that "kidnapping" connotates illegally seizing a person, whereas "detaining" implies a legal or official action, such as by the police. This was done by an army, but their actions were perceived as illegal (at least by the Nanjing government). Perhaps "took hostage" works better? I'm a bit confused by what you mean by "as a card-carrying member". The Second United Front wasn't a political party that you could be a member of, it was just an alliance between the CCP and the KMT to resist the Japanese. Chiang  denied that he was bound by his verbal promise to create such an alliance after he was released, but gradually eased hostilities and eventually did sign an official alliance with the Communists after six months of continued negotiations. For political reasons the KMT framed this as a "surrender" by the CCP, but in reality it was an alliance. I'll try to rewrite that section to make it more clear. SilverStar54 (talk) 05:58, 29 January 2023 (UTC)Any updates on this one? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:35, 24 February 2023 (UTC)Not sure if they want any changes or not. SilverStar54 (talk) 21:15, 24 February 2023 (UTC) @SilverStar54: the clarifying changes for that section would be welcome :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 10:09, 1 March 2023 (UTC) @Theleekycauldron: Just made some more edits. Please take a look at my most recent revision and let me know what parts still need more detail or clarification. SilverStar54 (talk) 19:51, 2 March 2023 (UTC) @SilverStar54: forgive me, my head's been swimming recently – could you point me to the sentences in the article that support the hook? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 08:35, 18 March 2023 (UTC) @Theleekycauldron: The section on the Xi'an Incident, specifically the second paragraph: "In November 1936, Zhang asked Chiang to come to Xi'an to raise the morale of troops unwilling to fight the Communists. When he arrived, Northeastern soldiers overwhelmed his bodyguard and placed him under house arrest. A faction of the army led by Yang Hucheng and the radical young officers of the "Anti-Japanese Comrade Society" wanted to execute Chiang, but Zhang and the Communists insisted that he be kept alive and convinced to change his policy towards Japan and the Communists. They argued that an alliance with Chiang was their best chance to combat the Japanese, while killing him would only provoke retaliation from the Nanjing Government. The Northeastern Army attempted to broadcast 8 demands to the Chinese public explaining why they arrested Chiang and the conditions for his release, but Nationalist censorship prevented their publication outside the Communist-held areas. Nonetheless, Chiang eventually agreed to negotiate with CCP diplomats Zhou Enlai and Lin Boqu. By late December Chiang had given a verbal promise that he would end the civil war and resist Japanese aggression." As explained in the following paragraph, the alliance between the Communists and Nationalists against the Japanese became known as the Second United Front. SilverStar54 (talk) 22:26, 18 March 2023 (UTC) Hmm, okay. What about: theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 08:32, 24 March 2023 (UTC) ALT0a: ... that Nationalist China's own Northeastern Army captured Chiang Kai-shek (pictured) to convince him to help them fight the Japanese? (edited) At first this looked good to me but I didn't realize you had also edited the second part of the sentence. I'm not trying to be difficult here, but "...to help them fight the Japanese" is both misleading and missing a big part of the story. It's misleading because "help" implies that the Northeastern Army is Chiang's ally, when in fact they were part of his army (is the head of state "helping" part of his army fight a war by declaring it?). It's also missing the critical demand that Chiang fight the Japanese by working with the Communists.SilverStar54 (talk) 17:39, 24 March 2023 (UTC) Fair enough, but where in the paragraph does it actually say that they wanted to convince Chiang to join the Second United Front? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 19:01, 28 March 2023 (UTC) As I mentioned, the words "Second United Front" don't appear until the following paragraph: "Chiang was released on 26 December and returned to Nanjing with Zhang Xueliang. [...] Chiang did eventually keep his promise to the CCP. After six months of continued negotiations, he signed a formal agreement creating the Second United Front, a military alliance of the Communists and Nationalists against Japan." SilverStar54 (talk) 22:34, 28 March 2023 (UTC) Gotcha, so is the originally hook accurate if the Second United Front didn't exist yet? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 23:25, 28 March 2023 (UTC) How about "that Nationalist China's own Northeastern Army took Chiang Kai-shek (pictured) hostage to convince him to form the Second United Front?" SilverStar54 (talk) 01:32, 29 March 2023 (UTC)   === Articles created/expanded on January 15 ===   ==== Sujudi ====  ... that in 1996, Indonesian health minister Sujudi called the government's campaign to promote condom use as "culturally unacceptable"? Source: Indonesia 'risks huge surge in Aids orphans' Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Volin Comment: Special thanks to Juxlos for suggesting this hook off-wiki.Moved to mainspace by Jeromi Mikhael (talk). Self-nominated at 06:23, 16 January 2023 (UTC).   The article is new enough and long enough. No copyvio or close paraphrasing found in spotchecks (most are non-English anyway). QPQ is done. However, the hook as it stands will not work, it attributes a direct quote that is both a different wording to the one in the source, and which the source does not note as a direct quote. CMD (talk) 10:26, 29 January 2023 (UTC) @Chipmunkdavis: how about: theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 00:45, 9 February 2023 (UTC) ALT0a: ... that Indonesian health minister Sujudi objected to the government's campaign to promote condom use? "rejected" a "proposed plan" might work. CMD (talk) 01:19, 9 February 2023 (UTC) Jeromi Mikhael? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 06:33, 9 February 2023 (UTC) I think ALT0a is ok. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 17:28, 10 February 2023 (UTC) CMD, are there any more issues? Is this ready? Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:00, 28 February 2023 (UTC) Alt0a is as written incorrect. A reformulation may work but I don't think I should do that myself as the reviewer. CMD (talk) 05:10, 28 February 2023 (UTC) @Chipmunkdavis: I'm not sure what you mean; nothing I can see in the Guardian piece explicitly says that Sujudi used his government authority to kill the plan. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 10:15, 1 March 2023 (UTC) The way I interpret the Guardian article aligns with the article text, "There were suggestions to initiate a government campaign of condom usage", rather than there being a plan. I did a bit of digging, the information seems quite vague, but this source says that while there was a official position on condoms as early as 1996 among the health department it was not something that was really implemented. CMD (talk) 11:31, 1 March 2023 (UTC)   === Articles created/expanded on January 17 ===   ==== Asman Boedisantoso Ranakusuma ====  ... that in 2001, six University of Indonesia students successfully sued rector Asman Boedisantoso Ranakusuma after they were suspended for leading a protest against the rector's tuition fee policy? Source: UI students sue rector over suspensions, Court annuls rector's suspension decision Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Kevin Noble MaillardCreated by Jeromi Mikhael (talk). Self-nominated at 17:57, 17 January 2023 (UTC).  @Jeromi Mikhael: I've struck ALT0, as I believe it falls afoul of DYK's rule on articles and hooks covering living persons. I think another hook will need to be proposed. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 01:44, 18 January 2023 (UTC) @Theleekycauldron: Any explanation on which clause do I violate with this hook? Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 08:00, 18 January 2023 (UTC) From WP:DYK#gen4a: Articles and hooks that focus unduly on negative aspects of living individuals should be avoided. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 08:10, 18 January 2023 (UTC) @Jeromi Mikhael: can another hook be provided, so that a reviewer can chime in? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 00:46, 9 February 2023 (UTC) ALT1: ... that former rector Asman Boedisantoso Ranakusuma would sometimes use train to commute the campus in order to listen in  criticisms about the campus? Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 01:54, 11 February 2023 (UTC) @Theleekycauldron: How about this? Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 01:54, 11 February 2023 (UTC) Jeromi Mikhael, QPQs must be provided no later than 7 days after submitting a nomination; it's been 25 days. Please complete your QPQ right away. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:59, 12 February 2023 (UTC) @BlueMoonset: I've added a QPQ for the nomination. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 13:23, 13 February 2023 (UTC)  ALT1 looks passable; article will need a full review. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 08:14, 13 February 2023 (UTC) @Jeromi Mikhael and Theleekycauldron: ALT1 seems a bit redundant since it mentions "campus" twice. How about this alternative wording?ALT2 ... that when he was rector of the University of Indonesia, Asman Boedisantoso Ranakusuma would commute via public transportation to the campus to listen to criticisms about the school? I changed "train" to "public transportation" as the article doesn't specifically mention trains. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:17, 19 February 2023 (UTC) Review coming.  New enough, long enough, neutral and appears well cited (mostly in Indonesian). Copyedited as I read, but a few minor remaining questions for @Jeromi Mikhael: Is it appropriate to link "undergraduate medical degree" to Medical degree? Should "academician" (3x) be changed to "administrator"? What happened after the suspension saga - it seems unresolved? Added back the mention of train, so my preference for hook (also restoring "sometimes") would be: ALT2a ... that when he was the rector of the University of Indonesia, Asman Boedisantoso Ranakusuma would sometimes take the train to the campus to overhear criticism of the school? Very close to approval. AGF on the since-deleted QPQ. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 19:04, 10 March 2023 (UTC)   === Articles created/expanded on January 20 ===   ==== Star Control ====  ... that Paul Reiche and Fred Ford created the 1990 space game Star Control by adapting the action-strategy gameplay from Reiche's 1983 game Archon into a science fiction setting? Source: "I wanna mention that, and it was obvious to us, because we intended it that way, but "Starchon" is really "Archon" with an S-T in front of it. "Archon" being a strategy game on top of a one-on-one combat game and that's what "Star Control I" was."[1]"The first Star Control is actually somewhat similar in concept to one of Reiche III and Ford’s earlier games, Archon, in that it’s a strategy game where conflict is resolved via action-based one-on-one combat. (It could even be termed a spiritual successor, given that it’s even in the title – “StAR CONtrol”.)"[2]  Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Cherry ValentineImproved to Good Article status by Shooterwalker (talk). Self-nominated at 23:45, 24 January 2023 (UTC).  Hook eligibility:  Cited: Y Interesting: ?Overall:  Excellent work improving the article to GA status. QPQ done. The only thing that needs to be adjusted is the ALT, which is not immediately enticing to somebody unfamiliar with the subject or its creators. CurryTime7-24 (talk) 22:56, 25 January 2023 (UTC)  I'm open minded. I've done a few of these and I was starting to feel a little repetitive with "did you know that this was considered one of the best games because...?" I figured I would try to link it to another historic game, but I can see how that might be inaccessible to someone who isn't into games. Let me know what you think, and I'll come up with something either way. Shooterwalker (talk) 18:17, 26 January 2023 (UTC)Giving @CurryTime7-24: a ping. I'm good to keep working on this, depending on your feedback. Shooterwalker (talk) 19:09, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Very sorry for leaving you hanging, my friend. Let me jump back into this DYK tomorrow. Been slammed with work, but things are lightening up again. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 00:13, 10 February 2023 (UTC)@Shooterwalker: The article itself is tip-top. I just think the hook is a little staid and wouldn't be rewarding for readers unfamiliar with the subject. I would offer my own ALTs, but don't want to disqualify myself as reviewer by doing so. That said, there is a lot of material in this article that could be mined for appealing ALTs. For example, this passage alone seems like it could generate two very effective ALTs: "When they saw that the Syreen ship resembled a cross between a rocket ship and a ribbed condom, Fred Ford suggested calling it the Syreen Penetrator, which coincidentally happened moments before the 1989 San Francisco Earthquake."  —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 19:07, 10 February 2023 (UTC)ALT1: ... that the creators of the 1990 space game Star Control designed a starship for an all-female alien race, naming it the Penetrator for its resemblance to a ribbed condom, moments before an earthquake? I liked your suggestion, and I wanted to get the phrasing right. Let me know what you think. Shooterwalker (talk) 17:00, 16 February 2023 (UTC)Sorry for being MIA again. Was out of town, then got caught up in other articles I've been working on. Your revised ALT is better, but it still needs a bit of work. I would trim down the overlinking of well-known things and maybe remove the reference to the Loma Prieta quake. Ideally the ALT would focus either on the unusual appearance of the starship or the timing of its naming, but not both as it might be a bit much. Feel free to ping me. I'll be able to respond in a timelier fashion now that I have more time. :) —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 23:56, 26 February 2023 (UTC) ALT2 ... that the creators of the 1990 space game Star Control designed a starship for an all-female alien race, naming it the Penetrator for its resemblance to a ribbed condom? ALT3 ... that the creators of the 1990 space game Star Control named a starship the Penetrator for its resemblance to a ribbed condom, moments before the 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake? @CurryTime7-24: Having trouble deciding so I gave each one a try. Let me know what you think. Shooterwalker (talk) 23:36, 1 March 2023 (UTC)  @Shooterwalker: Both ALTs are wonderful! Thank you for your patience with me and for your excellent work. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 22:22, 2 March 2023 (UTC)  This needs more work, as I've checked the sources cited in the article, and they do not exactly verify the specific claims made in ALT2 and ALT3 (and in the sentences where they are cited in the article). Pinging CurryTime7-24. Cielquiparle (talk) 10:13, 9 March 2023 (UTC)   === Articles created/expanded on January 25 ===   ==== Barış Youth Symphony Orchestra ====  ... that the Barış Youth Symphony Orchestra was founded at İzmir in 2015 after an example in Venezuela to educate music for children with limited opportunities and to keep them away from crime? Source: "İzmir'de dar gelirli ailelerin çocuklarının suçtan uzak kalmasını sağlamak amacıyla 2015'te ilk adımları atılan Barış Çocuk Senfoni Orkestrası ..." , "Venezuela'nın başkenti Karacas'ın dezavantajlı bölgelerinde yürütülen "El Sistema" projesini örnek aldıklarını ..." (in Turkish) [3] Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/James DanandjajaCreated by CeeGee (talk). Self-nominated at 11:04, 1 February 2023 (UTC). Note: As of October 2022, all changes made to promoted hooks will be logged by a bot. The log for this nomination can be found at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Barış Youth Symphony Orchestra, so please watch a successfully closed nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.   I have concerns.  First off, usual disclaimer that Wikipedia's coverage of "local" topics can be woefully lacking, especially local topics in areas without much English-language media.  So your work expanding that area is genuinely appreciated.  That said... I don't know Turkish.  However, some of this article doesn't seem to be accurate or proportionate interpretations of the sources.  For example, Kadifekale is linked, and nom added a section to that article on the youth orchestra.  But the Wikipedia article and the newspaper source are obviously not talking about the same thing - the Wikipedia article is talking about a historic ruined castle, while the newspaper article seems to refer to it as a troubled neighborhood.  I recognize that the neighborhood is probably named after the castle (or they're both named after the same thing), but the point remains, it's off-topic.  The same is true of Agora of Smyrna, where the linked article is a heritage site and not a neighborhood.  But more generally, even if there was a neighborhood to link, it's literally one word in the sourced newspaper article, with no context or explanations.  I don't think it's due weight to copy it over here.  More generally, I'm inclined to think that this article is much too long.  It's including trivial details like specific grants from the webpage of a non-profit (Sivil Toplum Destek Vakfi), which just isn't Wikipedia-relevant: we should be using secondary sources.  Most of the newspaper articles are short and inconsequential.  The longest newspaper article is still a bit of a "culture beat" filler-type article about some local organization, and while I'm not one of them, certainly some Wikipedians would probably call this a WP:NOTNEWS violation for expanding a common newspaper story into a Wikipedia article.  I'm not saying the article should go to AFD, but I do think if cleaned up, the article would be 4 sentences long, and essentially say that the Barış Youth Symphony Orchestra is a local orchestra in Izmir, skipping out on all the news/PR type material.  Such a cleaned-up article would then fail DYK length requirements.  I'm inclined to think that the article needs some more substantive sources than what it has currently to qualify on grounds of verifiability and length.  (But happy to help if such sources are found!)  SnowFire (talk) 05:43, 8 February 2023 (UTC) Also, the ALT is too unfocused currently, but the article issues are more important.  I would suggest something more cutting and to the point if we're highlighting the surprise of Turkey-Venezuela cross-pollination, if the article ends up in shape to go to DYK after all: ALT1: ... that the Barış Youth Symphony Orchestra in Turkey is inspired by a similar music program in Venezuela? Nonsense! CeeGee 07:46, 8 February 2023 (UTC) @CeeGee: what makes you say that? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 00:50, 9 February 2023 (UTC)theleekycauldron The point is that for the founding of the orchestra in Turkey, the example in Venezuela has been taken, where children are kept away from crime through music. The military music is irrelevant. I don't know how do you come on this argument. CeeGee 05:10, 9 February 2023 (UTC).Shorter hooks are more memorable.  The part about keeping kids away from crime is the feel-good "meal" for people who click the article to read it.  The DYK hook is just the interesting part, it's a teaser, and the closest to a teaser is an interesting juxtaposition between Venezuela & Turkey.  The less distracting parts, the better. If someone else wants to review the DYK, they're free too - I made some minor edits for clarity and concision.  I would probably cut it down even further if I full followed my preferences per above, but tried to keep it to non-controversial stuff.  SnowFire (talk) 05:16, 9 February 2023 (UTC)SnowFire I appreciate very much your edits in the article. However, I don't agree with the Alt-hook at all. If you wish to transfer the DYK-nom to someone else, you can use the "DYK?again" tick. CeeGee 05:33, 9 February 2023 (UTC) As it stands, SnowFire, this nomination is marked for closure. Are the issues irreparably prohibitive for DYK purposes? Iff so, CeeGee, do you agree? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 22:10, 11 February 2023 (UTC)  In my opinion this is still too minor for DYK but then I believe that DYK should have somewhat stricter standards than others.  That said, I'll let someone else take a fresh look if desired. On the hook comment, I still believe my ALT1 is better than the original hook if there's a desire to run this after all.  I get it that it doesn't include the "keep kids away from crime" part but DYK hooks have to be interesting and "punchy".  The content of the article will fill readers in on the crime-prevention aspect.  Concise hooks are also much better than long ones, so restricting to the one, most interesting thing helps. SnowFire (talk) 22:16, 11 February 2023 (UTC) @CeeGee: I have now read this article and tend to agree that it is missing a little "something" that would make it more compelling for DYK purposes. As a regular at both DYK and AfD, I would say it probably would survive AfD, but the article as it stands now would still trigger a lot of people with a similar reaction to SnowFire (e.g. "Lots of places have music programs for underprivileged children...what is so special about this one?" and "This is so local!"). That said, if there is any secondary source commenting on the significance of the program (e.g. "compared to other similar programs in other countries, Barış Youth Symphony Orchestra is distinctive because X, Y and Z" or "what is striking about Barış Youth Symphony Orchestra is ABC") we could possibly refer to that in the hook and/or in the article. But at the moment it feels a bit thin. I know it's disappointing, but unfortunately not every single article we work on is suitable for DYK, even if it is for a noble cause. Cielquiparle (talk) 10:07, 27 March 2023 (UTC)   === Articles created/expanded on January 27 ===   ==== Untitled Goose Game ====  ... that the idea for Untitled Goose Game came from a stock photo of a goose posted into the developer's internal communications? Source: Tweet by a lead developer at the game developer, House House: https://twitter.com/mjmcmaster/status/763596145452912640 ALT1: ... that the Untitled Goose Game was not originally meant to have music, but they changed their mind after the trailer received praise for using Debussy's prelude Minstrels in a "reactive" way? Source: https://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/358217/Road_to_the_IGF_House_Houses_Untitled_Goose_Game.php ALT2: ... that the developers of the Untitled Goose Game used the targeted mission structure of the Hitman games because, "By removing the violence from it, we just let the situations exist as a joke,"? Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-49852317 Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Ye Olde White HarteImproved to Good Article status by MyCatIsAChonk (talk). Self-nominated at 23:56, 27 January 2023 (UTC). Note: As of October 2022, all changes made to promoted hooks will be logged by a bot. The log for this nomination can be found at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Untitled Goose Game, so please watch a successfully closed nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.  Added italics in ALT1, changed the link in ALT2 from Hitman to Hitman (franchise).  GoingBatty (talk) 20:30, 29 January 2023 (UTC) Hook eligibility:  Cited: N - not for the first hook. Interesting: YOverall:  @MyCatIsAChonk: Good article. But I'm not seeing the first hook be supported by the source. Onegreatjoke (talk) 01:37, 4 February 2023 (UTC) @Onegreatjoke: The lead section is not cited, but the fact is mentioned down in under "Development and release": The game originated from a stock photograph of a goose that an employee posted in the company's internal communications, which sparked a conversation about geese. The citation is for a Tweet from the lead game dev at House House (the company that made Untitled Goose Game).  @Onegreatjoke: Are there any other changes you'd like me to make? MyCatIsAChonk (talk) 13:26, 5 February 2023 (UTC) Since the previous reviewer hasn't responded for a few days, I'm going to give it the holy tick.  I prefer the ALT2. BorgQueen (talk) 07:18, 8 February 2023 (UTC) @BorgQueen: Now that I think about it, this has some seriously good potential for an April Fools hook. If it's not too late in the game, here are some proposals: ALT3: ... that geese make good protagonists? Source and context: The protagonist of the game is a goose; the idea came from a stock photo of a goose posted in the game dev's Slack chat. Source is a Tweet by a dev at the company: https://twitter.com/mjmcmaster/status/763596145452912640. ALT4: ... that Debussy is still hip? Source and context: The music in the game is derived from a Debussy prelude. Verge article: https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/23/20879792/untitled-goose-game-nintendo-switch-debussy ALT5: ... that geese can be hitmen too? Source and context: One of the games that was used as inspiration was the Hitman franchise for its targeted-mission style (as shown in the original ALTs). Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-49852317 An image of a goose would make sense for 3 nd 5 (here's some possibilities: one and two). If it's not too late, I think this would be really great. MyCatIsAChonk (talk) 02:57, 9 February 2023 (UTC)Amusing, sure, if you're willing to wait until April. BorgQueen (talk) 04:44, 9 February 2023 (UTC) @BorgQueen: Would you mind moving it to the April Fools page? Is there a specific way I should do it? MyCatIsAChonk (talk) 14:57, 9 February 2023 (UTC)@Cielquiparle and Theleekycauldron: What do you guys think? BorgQueen (talk) 15:15, 9 February 2023 (UTC) @BorgQueen: we have lots of leeway on April Fools' Day for hooks, but stating jokes or quotes in wikivoice isn't usually something we screw around with. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 07:38, 20 February 2023 (UTC) @Theleekycauldron: Respectfully, I don't feel that any of the April Fools' ALTs are twisting quotes; the only one that could possibly be close to that is ALT5, but that's a generalized statement in the article, not a quote. MyCatIsAChonk (talk) 01:27, 23 February 2023 (UTC) The issue isn't that we're twisting the quote, MyCatIsAChonk, it's that we're repeating a quote without saying it's a quote. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 03:41, 23 February 2023 (UTC) hey, my apologies for being curt. I was frustrated about something in the meatspace, and it's totally not fair that I radiated that out here. if we could find another quirky part of such a funky game, that'd be great :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 04:06, 23 February 2023 (UTC) @Theleekycauldron: It's all good; I've struck through the ALT0 through ALT2 because they're not April Fools' hooks, and ALT5 because of the quote issue. ALT3 and ALT4 are spinning the nature of the game. Personally, I prefer ALT4, but I do realize that it's less about the game and more about the music of it. Thoughts? MyCatIsAChonk (talk) 14:53, 23 February 2023 (UTC) @MyCatIsAChonk: don't ALTs 3 and 4 also express opinions in wikivoice? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 10:00, 1 March 2023 (UTC) @Theleekycauldron: In my opinion, "Debussy is still hip" is not a very wikivoice-like statement. Though, I do understand how ALT3 is, so I struck through it. MyCatIsAChonk (talk) 16:46, 1 March 2023 (UTC) MyCatIsAChonk, thanks for striking ALT3. Could you explain how ALT4 doesn't express an opinion? (By default, a statement is made in wikivoice unless we attribute it to someone else). theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 20:43, 1 March 2023 (UTC)  @Theleekycauldron: Comparing it to the criteria under WP:VOICE, ALT4 is not an opinion (while I don't consider it a fact, I believe it's a rephrasing of a fact, the fact being that Debussy's music is still used today), it's not seriously contested, it's not a definite fact, not judgmental, and doesn't give undue weight to something. MyCatIsAChonk (talk) 21:48, 1 March 2023 (UTC)  This DYK nomination needs a hook that can get approved. Not too late for April Fool's Day consideration but it has to pass. Cielquiparle (talk) 13:00, 14 March 2023 (UTC) @Theleekycauldron: Is there anything else you think should be changed? MyCatIsAChonk (talk) 16:04, 15 March 2023 (UTC) I think "hip" means "cool"/"trendy" more than it means "current", the latter being more tonally charged. So, unfortunately, I stand by my dissatisfaction with ALT4 unfortunately, but let me see if I can't scare up a hook. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 08:17, 18 March 2023 (UTC) This is really tortured, but:ALT5: ... that the ganders taken at Untitled Goose Game were mostly positive?I think this would be a standard quirky hook, rather than an AFDay. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 08:27, 18 March 2023 (UTC) @Theleekycauldron: At this point I'd just like it to get on the main page, so yeah, that's good. MyCatIsAChonk (talk) 12:23, 18 March 2023 (UTC)   === Articles created/expanded on January 29 ===   ==== Lovely's Purchase ====  ... that President James Monroe had promised an exclusive "... gateway to the setting sun ... where they were not surrounded by the White man" to the eastern Cherokee that resulted in the creation of Lovely's Purchase? Source: Gabler, Ina (1960). "Lovely's Purchase and Lovely County". The Arkansas Historical Quarterly. 19 (1): 31–39. doi:10.2307/40038035. ISSN 0004-1823. JSTOR 40038035. ALT1: ... that Lovely's Purchase, set in the early Arkansaw Territory, was created as a buffer zone to separate the adversarial Cherokee and Osage Indian Nations? Source: "Encyclopedia of Arkansas". Encyclopedia of Arkansas. Retrieved 2023-01-23. "Osage territory passed to Cherokees through Lovely's Purchase". Muskogee Phoenix. Retrieved 2023-01-23. ALT2: ... that President James Monroe had promised the Cherokee tribes an exclusive "... gateway to the setting sun ... where they were not surrounded by the White man" that resulted in the creation of Lovely's Purchase in what is today Oklahoma and Arkansas? Source: Gabler, Ina (1960). "Lovely's Purchase and Lovely County". The Arkansas Historical Quarterly. 19 (1): 31–39. doi:10.2307/40038035. ISSN 0004-1823. JSTOR 40038035. Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Niue NukutulueaCreated by GenQuest (talk). Self-nominated at 15:00, 29 January 2023 (UTC). Note: As of October 2022, all changes made to promoted hooks will be logged by a bot. The log for this nomination can be found at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Lovely's Purchase, so please watch a successfully closed nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.  Hook eligibility:  Cited: Y Interesting: Y Other problems: N - Where is hook 1? See comments below. GenQuest "scribble"Overall:  @GenQuest: Good article, but I can't seem to find the first hook anywhere in the article.  Onegreatjoke: See first sentence in the "Background" sub-section. GenQuest "scribble" 02:59, 4 February 2023 (UTC) Onegreatjoke (talk) 02:33, 4 February 2023 (UTC) I see Onegreatjoke (talk) 02:59, 4 February 2023 (UTC)  I added and additional ALT that I think reads better than the first. GenQuest "scribble" 18:03, 18 February 2023 (UTC) @GenQuest: I wanted to promote this but was wondering why the last sentence of the "Major Lovely" paragraph didn't have a citation...thought it was probably an easy fix...then found that I can't seem to find a source referring to Lovely's multi-step purchase starting in 1813? I don't doubt that it exists somewhere, but I'm not seeing it in the Agnew article, in the Encyclopedia of Arkansas, or Muskogee Phoenix. Cielquiparle (talk) 03:22, 28 February 2023 (UTC) @Cielquiparle: I fixed the confusion and mixed-up dates. Thanks for pointing it out. GenQuest "scribble" 21:43, 28 February 2023 (UTC)Status please? GenQuest "scribble" 13:26, 13 March 2023 (UTC)GenQuest I haven't had a chance to re-review the article line by line, as that would take some time, but I haven't blocked it from being promoted either, so if it looks ok to another editor, it could still get promoted by someone else in the meantime. (Regardless, it generally takes a long time for hooks to get promoted, unless the hook is so amazing that everyone is clamoring to promote it first.) Cielquiparle (talk) 16:11, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Request for Second Opinion: Pinging: Flibirigit, or Onegreatjoke, or Aoidh, or Narutolovehinata5, or Muboshgu. I believe these articles (see Buchanan's Station; Template:Did you know nominations/Buchanan's Station as well) are well beyond the threshold for DYK criteria and advancement, and are being held to a much higher standard than necessary: this is not a Good Article review.  They have been held up long enough, and I can't keep spending my limited editing time jumping through moving hoops on either of them.  Can someone please pass them?  Thanks, GenQuest "scribble" 20:17, 15 March 2023 (UTC) My general feeling is that this article is in better shape than the other one (on Buchanan's Station), following the fixes mentioned above which hopefully resolved the failed verification and missing citation issues. I would also appreciate another reviewer to look at this closely, and provide a green tick mark if it looks ok. Thanks in advance. Cielquiparle (talk) 20:35, 15 March 2023 (UTC)   === Articles created/expanded on January 30 ===   ==== Airis Computer ====  ... that Airis Computer Corporation designed their 1991 laptop with the ability to have its BIOS updated via a modem connection? Source: "For Chicago-based Airis, the bright idea is TeleROM, says Steve Valentor, engineering vice president. All Airis computers have built-in modems, and by combining that capability with a bank of flash memory that stores system BIOS, Airis can offer users a highly desired feature: instantly updatable BIOS. Simply by dialing into Airis's bulletin board, users will be able to update their BIOS for a nominal charge" (Shandle 1990). Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/HixxyCreated by DigitalIceAge (talk). Self-nominated at 20:33, 6 February 2023 (UTC). Note: As of October 2022, all changes made to promoted hooks will be logged by a bot. The log for this nomination can be found at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Airis Computer, so please watch a successfully closed nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.   @DigitalIceAge: Firstly, it's been a week since the nomination, so a QPQ must be provided as soon as possible for the nomination to pass. Secondly, the hook seems to require specialist knowledge: it requires readers to know that modem connections and computer updates via such technologies was still new in 1991. Maybe something less specialist can be proposed here? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:29, 13 February 2023 (UTC) @Narutolovehinata5: Apologies for the absence of QPQ, got majorly sidetracked on here. Perhaps: ALT1: ... that the president of Airis Computer Corporation was previously the head of a chain of picture-framing stores? ALT2: ... that Airis Computer's 1991 laptop could have been powered with 10 C batteries as an alternative to a rechargeable pack? DigitalIceAge (talk) 01:50, 14 February 2023 (UTC) I suppose ALT1 works (ALT2 is also a decent hook but I think ALT1 is more unusual). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:08, 14 February 2023 (UTC) I do have a minor concern with the article: maybe the sentence The product was met with a number of delays, and Airis fizzled before the company could sell many (or any) units of the laptop. can be rewritten? I'm not sure if "fizzled" is an encyclopedic term, and so is the use of "(or any)". Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:54, 22 February 2023 (UTC) Replaced fizzled with dissolved and removed parentheses. DigitalIceAge (talk) 17:55, 22 February 2023 (UTC)Thank you. However, now that I think about it, I wounder if that part should be rewritten entirely; rereading the article, the claim that none were sold was never confirmed, but a claim by two separate publications. Maybe the lede should be modified to reflect that it was a claim? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:07, 23 February 2023 (UTC) Not sure if MOS:CLAIM applies or not, but I have reworded the last couple of sentences in the lede to reflect the uncertainty. Thanks for the suggestion @Narutolovehinata5:. DigitalIceAge (talk) 03:44, 27 February 2023 (UTC) Thanks. That part just needs a few minor grammar-related copyedits and this will be ready for a full review. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:01, 27 February 2023 (UTC) Full review needed; if grammar-related copyedits are still needed, they can be noted as part of the full review. Ping to nominator DigitalIceAge. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:05, 17 March 2023 (UTC) While the article meets DYK requirements and a QPQ has been done, and while ALT1 (my preferred hook) is cited inline (and verified in the sources), I do have some concerns with the article. Apart from the earlier-mentioned need for a copyedit, I also note that the claim that the company folded in 1993 is only mentioned in the lede and the infobox, and is not mentioned in the body. It also lacks a reference. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:30, 19 March 2023 (UTC) Thanks again for the review @Narutolovehinata5: I have given the article a copyedit and removed the semicolon between the clauses of the hook fact sentence to make it directly cited. I also tweaked the wording wrt the defunct date to be less definitive. Let me know if any other tweaks need to be made. DigitalIceAge (talk) 05:19, 20 March 2023 (UTC) The 1993 date still needs to be mentioned in the body, preferably with a source. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:50, 22 March 2023 (UTC) @Narutolovehinata5: Found a source that confirms the 1993 date of defunctness, now included in the body. DigitalIceAge (talk) 15:46, 22 March 2023 (UTC)   ==== It Was Hot, We Stayed in the Water ====  ... that It Was Hot, We Stayed in the Water explores the theme of water and was inspired by Phil Elverum's visits to the ocean? [4] Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/30 West 44th StreetImproved to Good Article status by PerfectSoundWhatever (talk). Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk) at 22:45, 4 February 2023 (UTC). Note: As of October 2022, all changes made to promoted hooks will be logged by a bot. The log for this nomination can be found at Template talk:Did you know nominations/It Was Hot, We Stayed in the Water, so please watch a successfully closed nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.  Comment am the article's author. The original hook was factually incorrect, so I've substituted it above. Please add more if you'd like, @Onegreatjoke:. — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 01:23, 5 February 2023 (UTC)  Reviewing... Sebbirrrr (talk) 21:31, 20 February 2023 (UTC)Policy compliance:  Adequate sourcing: Y Neutral: Y Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: ?Overall:  @Onegreatjoke: Article promoted to GA on Jan 30 and nominated on Feb 4. It is long enough and everything is backed by sources. Hook meets the length requirement, it is interesting and cited in the article. QPQ done. Copyvio is a bit too high at 48.7%, I'd recommend trimming down Elverum's quotes from the KEXP source. Sebbirrrr (talk) 22:30, 20 February 2023 (UTC)   Not done. What's the point of chasing an arbitrary number when it doesn't reflect the true state of the article? Most of the "flagged" passages on Earwig are just the album title. There are a handful of quotes I used, (which are properly shown as quotes and clearly not copyvio) but I don't think anything I did is violating a Wikipedia policy; point me to one if I'm wrong. — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 04:29, 21 February 2023 (UTC) @PerfectSoundWhatever: Apologies for not pinging you as well! This isn't a policy violation as you indicated that the quotes are directly coming from Elverum. I did notice that the album title appears four times, however I still think that some of the quotes could be paraphrased as copyvio flags the source as being in the yellow area. Sebbirrrr (talk) 13:38, 21 February 2023 (UTC)@Sebbirrrr: Can you look at this again because it doesn't really look like there's any copyvio issues anymore. Most copyvio flags are just names of the album and a place. Onegreatjoke (talk) 13:52, 29 March 2023 (UTC)   === Articles created/expanded on January 31 ===   ==== Powell Marsh Wildlife Area ====  ... that water control structures built in the Powell Marsh Wildlife Area introduced iron floc to a downstream lake? Source: https://www.wxpr.org/news/2021-09-23/the-fight-continues-slimy-water-dam-disagreements-and-politics-on-dead-pike-lake ALT1: ... that the Powell Marsh Wildlife Area is partially managed by the Lac du Flambeau Band of Lake Superior Chippewa? Source: https://dnr.wisconsin.gov/topic/Fishing/ceded ALT2: ... that water control structures built in the Powell Marsh Wildlife Area polluted a downstream lake? Source: https://www.wxpr.org/news/2021-09-23/the-fight-continues-slimy-water-dam-disagreements-and-politics-on-dead-pike-lake Reviewed: Comment: The image caption can probably be changed to something that fits better. I also prefer the first hook, but I am sure there is a better way to word it.Created by Heeps of Wiki (talk). Self-nominated at 15:32, 31 January 2023 (UTC). Note: As of October 2022, all changes made to promoted hooks will be logged by a bot. The log for this nomination can be found at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Powell Marsh Wildlife Area, so please watch a successfully closed nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.   Full review to follow, but I'm not really a fan of either hook. The second just isn't intriguing in a "hooky" way, while the first hook seems a bit technical; in particular, it mentions "flocs", which is a term readers may not know. Perhaps different hooks can be proposed here? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:08, 4 February 2023 (UTC)I agree that the second hook is not the best, perhaps the third one is a bit better? I think it's a bit less technical and gets the point across in a hookier way. Thank you for your time. Heeps of Wiki (talk) 14:39, 4 February 2023 (UTC) ALT2 is okay, but it doesn't seem to be explicitly mentioned in the article? The water becoming polluted that is. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:51, 15 February 2023 (UTC) @Heeps of Wiki: status report? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 10:08, 1 March 2023 (UTC) Apologies for the late response, I didn't get a ping for this page for some reason. In the referenced article, there is this quote: Lake proponents say the water pressure in the manufactured wetland forces groundwater, rich in iron, into Dead Pike Lake. Rip out the infrastructure, return the marsh to its natural form, and Dead Pike Lake will be saved, they say. “This lake represents an opportunity for people to get a sense of what a pristine northern Wisconsin lake still can look like. But they’re polluting it,” said Wolf. “Our own Department of Natural Resources has contributed significantly to environmental damage and to the loss of property rights for the citizenry that’s here.” Heeps of Wiki (talk) 16:01, 1 March 2023 (UTC)Thank you, but the article doesn't seem to have been edited in a while and my original concern remains unaddressed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:19, 14 March 2023 (UTC) The article hasn't been updated in a while because I am not sure what to fix. I misconstrued your earlier comment which asked where the statement was in the article, I assumed you meant in the reference. But either way, in the Powell Marsh Wildlife Area article, there is prose in the Dead Pike Lake section that I feel adequately mentions the polluting of the water, and the source of said pollution. If this does not assuage your concerns, let me know how I can best rectify the problem. I would also love to hear some other feedback for the article. Heeps of Wiki (talk) 13:12, 14 March 2023 (UTC) Oh I apologize for that. I got confused by the article since I was looking for which downstream lake exactly was being polluted. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:59, 28 March 2023 (UTC) All good, do you think it would be helpful to name the lake being polluted? I wasn't sure if I should as I wanted to try to be concise. Heeps of Wiki (talk) 14:18, 28 March 2023 (UTC)   ==== North Carolina Council of State ====  ... that the North Carolina Council of State is the collective body of 10 elective offices of the executive branch of the government of North Carolina including the Governor? Source: In the article ALT1: ... that the North Carolina Council of State is a holdover from the 1700s Province of North Carolina and includes 10 elective offices including the Governor? Source: North Carolina's "first constitution, ratified in December (1776), provided for a Council of State" [5] North Carolina Manual 2011, pp. 137–138 Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Bernard RwehururuImproved to Good Article status by Indy beetle (talk). Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk) at 20:32, 5 February 2023 (UTC). Note: As of October 2022, all changes made to promoted hooks will be logged by a bot. The log for this nomination can be found at Template talk:Did you know nominations/North Carolina Council of State, so please watch a successfully closed nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.  Began reviewing for DYKgood article on January 31, 2023, 8179 characters (1289 words) "readable prose size", 29 references cited inline, Earwig stated that copyvios were unlikely; primarily multi-word phrases which aren't a problem. Hook is NOT interesting,  which is a primary requirement for DYK. Added alt1 hook; asked nominator to approve or supply their own.  QPQ was Bernard Rwehururu.   Hook eligibility:  Cited: Y Interesting: N - nOverall:  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mgreason (talk • contribs) 16:41, 2023 February 14 (UTC)  Mgrē@sŏn (Talk) 21:42, 7 March 2023 (UTC)   Adding query tag as ALT1 needs to be independently approved. Sojourner in the earth (talk) 07:43, 8 March 2023 (UTC)  Actually, this needs a new reviewer to approve ALT1. I have adjusted the DYK checklist to reflect the fact that the original hook was not considered to be interesting, and changed the status therein accordingly. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:49, 8 March 2023 (UTC) I don't think "holdover" is really a great way to describe the Council of State as it relates to history. Sure, the body originated in colonial governance (as did the office of governor and the office of secretary of state) but to call it a mere holdover I think dismisses it in a way I don't think accurately reflects what the sources say about this body. -Indy beetle (talk) 09:47, 16 March 2023 (UTC)ATL2 ... that Elaine Marshall is the first woman elected to the North Carolina Council of State in its 246-year existence?  source — Maile  (talk) 20:04, 17 March 2023 (UTC)   ==== The Crew Motorfest ====  ... that The Crew Motorfest takes place in Oʻahu, the same place as the first two Test Drive Unlimited games which were previously worked on by some of the same developers? Source: [6] and [7] Reviewed: Comment: If someone has any idea to word the hook better then feel free to tell me. Also, I'm including DecafPotato as an additional author since they helped me write a decent amount of this article.Created by Blaze Wolf (talk) and DecafPotato (talk). Nominated by Blaze Wolf (talk) at 15:25, 3 February 2023 (UTC). Note: As of October 2022, all changes made to promoted hooks will be logged by a bot. The log for this nomination can be found at Template talk:Did you know nominations/The Crew Motorfest, so please watch a successfully closed nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.   Newly created article about a video game. The article is long enough and sourced throughout. ALT0 is a bit confusing but makes sense when reading the article. It would have to be reworded to indicate what Ivory Tower is. I guess, instead of which were previously worked on by the director of Ivory Tower?, say which were previously worked on by the some of the same developers? QPQ is not needed as Blaze Wolf and DecafPotato have three DYK credits combined between them. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:36, 23 February 2023 (UTC) @Muboshgu: I like that. Sounds much better to me. Feel free to use that. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 02:27, 23 February 2023 (UTC) We aren't allowed to request DYK dates based on commercial releases, but in the case of this "upcoming" video game, it would be helpful to know when the game will finally be published, because at the moment this article is mainly written in future tense and relies too heavily on the vendor as a source, making it arguably too WP:PROMOTIONAL. Once the game is released, there will be reviews and more independent secondary sources we will be able to cite in the article. In any case I'm uncomfortable with this article going to the main page as is, but perhaps this can all be rectified in the near future. Cc: @Blaze Wolf, DecafPotato,  and Muboshgu: Do we know? Cielquiparle (talk) 05:29, 10 March 2023 (UTC) @Cielquiparle: Hello Ciel! I was somehow not notified of your ping. As far as I'm aware a release date for the game is not known, however the game not being released yet hasn't been an issue before. WP:PROMOTIONAL isn't a concern as far as I'm aware as long as the article and DYK hooks are neutrally worded, which they are. Take Need for Speed Unbound for example, it was unreleased when it was promoted to the main page (albeit the release date was known at that point). ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 13:23, 23 March 2023 (UTC) @Blaze Wolf: Would you consider withdrawing this nomination for now and re-submitting this article after the product is released and reviewed, and the article reaches GA? At the moment, the article relies too heavily on the vendor as the main source for information (which is frowned upon for example at AfD), plus rumor and speculation, which triggers WP:CRYSTALBALL and WP:RUMOR. In any case, I can't support promoting this article to the main page at this time, but I would be happy to take another look once the product is released; otherwise it is just one of many games under development and could turn out to be vaporware (although it seems unlikely). Cielquiparle (talk) 11:10, 24 March 2023 (UTC) @Cielquiparle: I would much rather not withdraw the nomination. I put a pretty decent amount of time into this article and I'd much rather not have it be wasted just because the game is unreleased. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 12:09, 24 March 2023 (UTC) @Blaze Wolf: I just wanted to say, the time and effort you put in to the article is appreciated, and I wouldn't consider it "wasted" if it didn't run on DYK prior to product release. As I was saying before, the article would still be eligible for nomination when it reaches GA. (But side note: It cannot run twice at DYK.) Cielquiparle (talk) 13:12, 24 March 2023 (UTC) @Cielquiparle: It honestly feels like you don't want to approve it solely because the game isn't released yet, despite that not being something that would hold back a DYK considering I got a DYK for another article I created, Need for Speed Unbound, before the game released. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 13:15, 24 March 2023 (UTC) @Blaze Wolf: Exactly. Personally I don't feel like defending this one all the way to the main page if/when we get complaints. But there may very well be other editors who are willing to, so let's leave it to them to review, approve, promote, and send to Queue. If I thought it was an outright fail, I would have rejected it. This one to me seems borderline; I still say the article would have been stronger and better timed once the product was available. Cielquiparle (talk) 18:24, 24 March 2023 (UTC) Another side note is that just because an article was approved for DYK previously, doesn't always mean it was the right decision. We do sometimes get it wrong. If a major problem is found, the article can get pulled from the main page, which is always unfortunate. The standards have also seem to have changed a lot over the years. I think it's important to look at each article on a case-by-case basis, just like we would at AfD. Cielquiparle (talk) 22:33, 24 March 2023 (UTC)  Need a new reviewer to restore green tick. Cielquiparle (talk) 12:16, 24 March 2023 (UTC)   === Articles created/expanded on February 3 ===   ==== No More the Fool ====  ... that Elkie Brooks's hit "No More the Fool" was originally written for Kim Wilde? Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Satoko Kishimoto Comment: The article should be long enough already (roughly 1,500–1,550 characters), but I will expand it a bit more tomorrow.Created by Moscow Connection (talk). Self-nominated at 23:57, 10 February 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/No More the Fool; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.   Not really a big fan of the hook since it is reliant on names that not be familiar to all readers (for what it's worth, I do know who Wilde is thanks to Kids in America, but I can't assure that most readers are familiar with her). Can a different angle be proposed here? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 16:10, 12 February 2023 (UTC) I will expand the article tomorrow or the day after tomorrow and will try to find another interesting fact about the song to use for the DYK. The problem is that I could find only one book that I could use. And there isn't much in it that I haven't already put into the article. --Moscow Connection (talk) 01:34, 22 February 2023 (UTC)@Moscow Connection: Okay. Just note here on the nomination page once those have been accomplished. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:53, 25 February 2023 (UTC)@Moscow Connection: Any updates on this? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:32, 1 March 2023 (UTC) Tomorrow, I promise. Sorry for the delay. --Moscow Connection (talk) 20:16, 7 March 2023 (UTC) @Narutolovehinata5: Could you maybe propose something else as a hook?I think that he current hook is interesting. And I can't think of anything better.Btw, I've been trying to find more sources to use, but I can't find anything. And I couldn't find a single source that would say what the song was about. I even tried searching for a source saying this song was a ballad (it is ballad, isn't it?), and nothing.I can ask for help at the music project talk page, maybe they will be able to find something. And to come up with a better hook.--Moscow Connection (talk) 08:20, 10 March 2023 (UTC)I'm going to be frank here: with the current content, I don't think the article is a right fit for DYK. There's not much in the article that seems to be intriguing to a non-specialist audience, especially if readers don't know who either name is (I personally only recognize Wilde). Looking at the article again, I think the only possible option that could still be used might revolve around this particular part: "I’ve been writing this song for Kim Wilde," said Ballard and showed them "No More the Fool". Brook's husband and Mike Heap were instantly "blown away". "That’s it!," said Jordan when Ballard stopped singing. "But I’ve written this for Kim Wilde," said Ballard protestingly. "No you haven’t. You’ve written it for Elkie Brooks," replied Jordan. Basically, a rewording of the original hook, but with more emphasis on the quote and Ballard's protest. But otherwise, I'm also out of ideas. In any case, the article does meet the technical DYK requirements including a lack of paraphrasing, and a QPQ has been done. I'll assume good faith on the sourcing as I can't access the sources. The article is technically eligible for DYK, but its lack of a suitable hook (proposed or possible) is the sticking point here. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:39, 10 March 2023 (UTC) @Narutolovehinata5: Yes, some pages are omitted from the Google Books preview. But you can try googling „"Finding My Voice: My Autobiography" site:idoc.pub“. And maybe, just maybe, you'll find something. :-) --Moscow Connection (talk) 10:05, 10 March 2023 (UTC) I'll just ask for help at the music project. The song is very famous and it's a pity I wasn't able to find more information about it. --Moscow Connection (talk) 10:05, 10 March 2023 (UTC) I have asked for help here: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Music#Any help appreciated at Template:Did you know nominations/No More the Fool. --Moscow Connection (talk) 10:50, 10 March 2023 (UTC)ALT1 ... that Russ Ballard didn't want to give the song "No More the Fool" to  Elkie Brooks, because he wrote it for Kim Wilde? --Moscow Connection (talk) 11:54, 11 March 2023 (UTC)It's getting warmer, but I think the "protested" wording like in the quote would make it more intriguing regardless of reader familiarity with the names involved. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:46, 15 March 2023 (UTC)   ==== Mosaic of Rehob ====  ... that people returning from the Babylonian captivity to the Holy Land and to their places of settlement in the Holy Land at that time left an indelible mark on how the Jewish nation is to perform certain religious practices? Source: Mishnah (Tractate Shebiith 6:1 ) Reviewed:Created by Davidbena (talk). Self-nominated at 18:42, 4 February 2023 (UTC). Note: As of October 2022, all changes made to promoted hooks will be logged by a bot. The log for this nomination can be found at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Mosaic of Rehob, so please watch a successfully closed nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.  Hook eligibility:  Cited: Y Interesting: N - nOverall:  @Davidbena: Welcome to DYK! Now, when I say the hook isn't interesting, i mean that the hook is confusing. I'm not understanding what the hook is supposed to say and I think that's because the hook doesn't have any links to other wikipedia articles in it. Also Mosaic of Rehob Isn't linked in the hook either so i'm not sure what the mosaic is. Also, i'm not sure what citation that's supposed to be as i'm not used to the citation style of the article. Also, I'm stumped specfically on "left an indelible mark on how the Jewish nation is to perform certain religious practices?" because i don't know what you mean by "indelible mark", what "Jewish nation", and what "certain religious practices". Also the hook is too long, it's at 220 characters when it should be less than 200. I know I said a lot but hopefully it doesn't scare you. I saw this "The mosaic contains the longest written text yet discovered in any mosaic in the region, and also the oldest known Talmudic text" in the lead that could work as two possible hooks if this doesn't work. Onegreatjoke (talk) 19:58, 6 February 2023 (UTC)  So, should I go ahead and re-submit a nomination for this page "Mosaic of Rehob" at DYK, using your suggested hook? I'm willing to do so. I'll also link the name "Mosaic of Rehob". If you give me the go-ahead, I will re-submit it, with the hook reading this time as follows:"Did you know that the Mosaic of Rehob contains the longest written text yet discovered in any mosaic in the region, and also the oldest known Talmudic text?" Davidbena (talk) 20:34, 6 February 2023 (UTC)  @Davidbena: I might have confused you but that's not what I'm asking. I'm mainly asking you to make your hooks more specific and do add some links to other wikipedia pages not to do a whole other nomination. Like for example, something like this. "... that the Mosaic of Rehob contains the longest written text yet discovered in any mosaic in the region, and also the oldest known Talmudic text?" Though if we are going to work with this hook, there are two minor problems I kind of have with it. Onegreatjoke (talk) 22:39, 6 February 2023 (UTC) Okay, that's also fine. Can I empower you to help me with this? Your suggestions are good, and since I have never done this before, you seem to be better fit to fix all the small problems.Davidbena (talk) 22:52, 6 February 2023 (UTC) @Davidbena: Here's my two problems. It says "in any mosaic in the region" but what region? I can't tell if you mean the palestine region, the holy land, or some other region I don't know about. The hook needs to be stated in the article, not just the lead, with an inline citation. I might be dumb but I can't see these mentioned in the article at all other than the lead. These are generally pretty easy to fix and answer so I hope to see them done. Onegreatjoke (talk) 23:02, 6 February 2023 (UTC) The obvious answer to that is "... that the Mosaic of Rehob contains the longest written text yet discovered in any Hebrew mosaic in Palestine." I will make the correction now in the main article, and I'll find a way to incorporate the text, besides in the lead, also somewhere else.Davidbena (talk) 23:23, 6 February 2023 (UTC) @Onegreatjoke:, At your directives, I have just now amended the text to read "...in Palestine," instead of "in the region," and I have also repeated the claim that it is the largest Hebrew mosaic found in Israel, with a source, in the section entitled "Description of mosaic".Davidbena (talk) 23:39, 6 February 2023 (UTC)  Alright that's pretty much it. Now, since the hook we worked on was technically my hook, I'm going have to give this review to someone else since i'm not allowed to review my own hook. Onegreatjoke (talk) 02:37, 7 February 2023 (UTC) That should be fine. Good luck!Davidbena (talk) 03:16, 7 February 2023 (UTC)@Onegreatjoke:, Wikipedia allows only seven days to submit a nomination for DYK after an article has reached "Good Article" status. Should I re-submit the nomination before this time-frame has expired?Davidbena (talk) 23:47, 9 February 2023 (UTC)  You've already submitted the nomination you don't need to submit it again. Onegreatjoke (talk) 00:01, 10 February 2023 (UTC)  The article looks good, long enough and well cited. The hook is interesting enough, but I feel like it being the oldest known Talmudic text is more hook-y. "The oldest X" is just slightly more interesting than "the longest text on a type of art from a specific place", and the Talmud is reasonably well known. BuySomeApples (talk) 06:59, 26 February 2023 (UTC) @Davidbena and Onegreatjoke: BuySomeApples (talk) 07:00, 26 February 2023 (UTC)   === Articles created/expanded on February 4 ===   ==== Sara Gadalla Gubara ====  ... that despite her physical disability, Sara Gadalla Gubara came third in a 50 km mixed-sex national swimming event in 1972? Source: newspaper shoutUNCIF Reviewed:Created by FuzzyMagma (talk). Self-nominated at 02:00, 4 February 2023 (UTC). Note: As of October 2022, all changes made to promoted hooks will be logged by a bot. The log for this nomination can be found at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Sarah Gadallah Gubara, so please watch a successfully closed nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.  I'll review this one! Taung Tan (talk) 18:26, 9 February 2023 (UTC)QPQ: N - not neededOverall:  As clever as this hook is, I'm afraid that the source of the hook https://www.assayha.net/ is reliable or not. I'm not sure if https://www.unicef.org/ can be used as a source at the DYK. Please explain the source's reliability. Taung Tan (talk) 18:26, 9 February 2023 (UTC) Taung Tan newspaper shout is a respected Sudanese newspaper although it is diffcult to prove this. There are some news excerpts from around that time but it is in arabic so I am not sure who much I am stretching your kidness, and a picture for the winners (she is next to the guy in the front with glasses . There are other sources including  France24 eluded to that + The UNICEF also talk about the race + Sudan Jorunal but not in details, there is a detailed account at Alarabya, a online blog written by a Sudanese historian, Sara's TEDxTalk and nationl TV interview which includes some images. I hope on of these stick.   It qualified for approval after I reviewed the sources. So it's good to go. Taung Tan (talk) 19:03, 10 February 2023 (UTC) Taung Tan, in which case you may wish to change "cited" to yes. Gog the Mild (talk) 19:42, 10 February 2023 (UTC) @Gog the Mild and Taung Tan: I should let y'all know that in general, it's best to leave initial reviews as-is, so that promoters know what went down at a glance when trying to close up a nom. Many thanks! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 10:00, 12 February 2023 (UTC) FuzzyMagma and Taung Tan, earwig picked up a sentence in the article that appears to be virtually the same as one in the cited source.  the source is dated 2010, while the wikipedia article was recently created. also, although there aren't many english sources, i picked one of them at random, and it doesn't seem to support the text for which it is cited.  the source is used following a paragraph covering gadalla gubara's tertiary education, but the source doesn't seem to mention her tertiary education at all.  i admittedly stopped checking sources after that.  dying (talk) 20:30, 19 February 2023 (UTC) @Dying:, the sentence was taken from Cinema of Sudan (before ref 23). I have now rephrased it. Reference 19, was also copied over from the lede of Gadalla Gubara, ref. 2 (also indicated in the edit). I should have checked, and sorry for not doing that. I have now moved to where it belongs, near ref (26). It is now being replaced by Ref. 10, 6, and 19  — Preceding unsigned comment added by FuzzyMagma (talk • contribs)  FuzzyMagma, that is good to know.  thank you for clearing that up.  (by the way, the title of the documentary should have remained in italics when you were rephrasing the sentence mentioned above, as placing the title in italics is not a personal decision, but a general english standard.  more details regarding how wikipedia treats titles of works can be found at mos:title. Done FuzzyMagma (talk) 12:00, 5 March 2023 (UTC) unfortunately, i am now also worried about the quality of the sources provided.  i decided to take a look at the arabic sources, and the first one i looked at, the sudaneseonline source, appears to be a message board, which is not a reliable source. depends on who wrote it? not all sources are BBC and NYT. I mentioned above who wrote it and why I think it can be seen as reliable. anyway can be removed if contested further  FuzzyMagma (talk) 12:00, 5 March 2023 (UTC) admittedly, i stopped looking at arabic sources after that.  i also noticed that the article was originally translated from ar wikipedia.  as i am not fluent in arabic, i cannot competently check for copyright violations or instances of close paraphrasing with regard to the arabic sources, which may have existed in the ar wikipedia article before you translated it. I am not sure casting doubts without an evidence is a good thing as it can be easily interrupted as assuming bad faith. Please either give evidence to your claims or refrain from being too hypothetical FuzzyMagma (talk) 12:00, 5 March 2023 (UTC) due to these issues, i do not feel comfortable promoting this hook at this time.  your opinion is noted, and again can be easily amended - at least the point were you provided a ground for doubts. anyhow there is already an endorsement and a DYK check above FuzzyMagma (talk) 12:00, 5 March 2023 (UTC) anyone else is free to promote this hook if they are confident enough in the quality of the hook and the article, you did not mention anything about the hook itself in your argument, so I am not sure why now you are mentioning the quality of the hook FuzzyMagma (talk) 12:00, 5 March 2023 (UTC) or request a more in-depth review if they believe it is warranted.  i do want to see this article promoted, as i had initially looked over this nomination intending to promote it, but i don't think i am competent enough to give this nomination a proper review.  dying (talk) 11:39, 5 March 2023 (UTC) @Dying: in-line response FuzzyMagma (talk) 12:07, 5 March 2023 (UTC)  Needs further review by new reviewer per discussion above. Cielquiparle (talk) 12:37, 14 March 2023 (UTC)   ==== Jeff Wrana ====  ... that in 2018, Jeff Wrana co-discovered a new type of cell in the intestinal lining? Source: Dr. Jeff Wrana and team follow a gut feeling and discover a new type of stem cell ALT1: ... that in 2009, Jeff Wrana helped develop a tool that could help physicians predict whether a woman is likely to remain breast-cancer free? Source: Researchers develop promising technology for breast cancer Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Jett HowardCreated by HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk). Self-nominated at 02:23, 4 February 2023 (UTC). Note: As of October 2022, all changes made to promoted hooks will be logged by a bot. The log for this nomination can be found at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Jeff Wrana, so please watch a successfully closed nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.  Hook eligibility:  Cited: Y Interesting: Y Other problems: N - I think ALT1 might be partially incorrect; I'll explain why further down below.Overall:  Really interesting submission! Almost everything looks alright, from the article's length and age, to the sources you used, to the QPQ requirement. ALT1 definitely looks like the "hookiest" hook, if it makes sense, but I fear there's a problem with it: the second half contains an an unclear statement... See, saying "breast-cancer free" might lead some people (including myself) to think that Wrana and Taylor's tool could help predict if a woman can completely avoid contracting the disease. Unfortunately, that's not exactly what's reported in the source you linked, which states: "Canadian researchers have developed a technology that analyzes breast cancer tumours in a new way, allowing them to predict with more than 80 per cent accuracy a patient's chance of recovering. The goal of the computerized tool is to eventually help doctors better target treatment to an individual patient, based on their tumour's profile." So, I think that technique is mainly about cancer treatment and survival, rather than cancer immunity... If confirmed, both the hook and the quote from the article should get edited accordingly: however, let me know if I missed something important! Oltrepier (talk) 21:26, 14 February 2023 (UTC)  @HickoryOughtShirt?4: More specifically, I would suggest these kinds of hook: ALT1b: ... that in 2009, Jeff Wrana helped develop a tool that could help physicians predict whether a woman is more likely to survive breast cancer? ALT1c: ... that in 2009, Jeff Wrana helped develop a tool that could help physicians predict whether a woman is more likely to recover from breast cancer? By the way, cancer biology is one of the subjects I'm currently studying at uni, so I'm not just doing a review, but you're also allowing me to have a review... : D Oltrepier (talk) 21:47, 14 February 2023 (UTC) @HickoryOughtShirt?4: how's this going? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 10:19, 1 March 2023 (UTC) Hi @Oltrepier and Theleekycauldron:. I am so sorry, I am just seeing this review for the first time. My fault for not checking it. I am completely fine with any of Oltrepier's proposed hooks. Let me tweak the sentence in the article. Also, Oltrepier, that is so cool that you're studying cancer biology. I am in absolutely no way studying anything STEM related in uni right now so I was relying heavily on my own translations/understandings. Thank you for clarifying my error. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 18:26, 1 March 2023 (UTC) @HickoryOughtShirt?4: No worries at all! And that's fine: I'm not mother-tongue in English, either, so I definitely understand there can be some issues with the translation and the interpretation of documents... But anyway, this is not a big deal. : ) Oltrepier (talk) 21:15, 1 March 2023 (UTC) @Oltrepier and Theleekycauldron: is this g2g? HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 21:38, 6 March 2023 (UTC)@HickoryOughtShirt?4: Yes, absolutely! I just can't promote my own hooks by myself... : D Oltrepier (talk) 20:12, 7 March 2023 (UTC)   Reviewer needed to check ALT1b and ALT1c to see whether they can be approved. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:16, 17 March 2023 (UTC) @HickoryOughtShirt?4 and Oltrepier:  It looks like ALT1b and ALT1c make claims that require secondary sourcing in line with WP:MEDRS – I don't think that The Toronto Star is gonna cover it, but we're looking :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 02:05, 18 March 2023 (UTC) @Oltrepier: As a reminder, ALT0 doesn't carry any MEDRS implications, if you'd like to approve it :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 02:37, 18 March 2023 (UTC)  I do think that ALT0 still is a biomedical statement.  More generally, popular media or PR pieces from the researcher's institution (such as this one aren't really that reliable for priority-type statements about being the first to discover something.  I'd like to see a citation from a medical source; it doesn't have to be peer reviewed but should be from a technical medicine-oriented publication or organization, more like this one.  Or you can stick to a general statement about what kind of research he does.  Also, male breast cancer is a thing, so the hooks should be rewritten to be gender-neutral.  John P. Sadowski (NIOSH) (talk) 03:14, 18 March 2023 (UTC) i'd personally say it's bio, not biomed, but i think you're right otherwise – i'd also want to see some kind of medrs-reliable secondary source that confirms. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 03:25, 18 March 2023 (UTC)@Theleekycauldron and John P. Sadowski (NIOSH): You're right, I should have addressed the need for more adequate sources, too... Luckily, though, I think I've found the original paper by Wrana and the rest of his team: here's the PubMed address, while this is the DOI link (which, unfortunately, is behind pay-wall). The journal that published the paper, Nature Biotechnology, is cited as a source both by the original Toronto Star link and a CBC article I've found by myself, and the respective dates match with one another, as well. I also wanted to clarify that, as reported by both the aforementioned articles, the study only involved female patients. For example, the CBC wrote that "In this week's online issue of the journal Nature Biotechnology, Wrana and his colleagues say the system enables them to accurately predict in 82 per cent of more than 350 women studied whether the breast cancer would be fatal." I hope this will help solve the sourcing problem, but let me know if I missed anything else! Oltrepier (talk) 12:57, 18 March 2023 (UTC) Per WP:MEDRS, primary sources generally shouldn't be used for medical content – we'll need some kind of secondary MEDRS-compliant source. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 21:23, 18 March 2023 (UTC) @Theleekycauldron: Do citations in other papers count towards the criteria? I was thinking about looking for those here. Oltrepier (talk) 13:47, 19 March 2023 (UTC) @Oltrepier: Yes, it's good to find a review that discusses his work, especially if it spends a few sentences or a paragraph on it.  I'm not sure if you're conversant with Wikidata, but I recently made a query that will find all the papers that cite any paper by a specified author (in this case Wrana), and sorts them so that reviews are likely to be towards the top of the list.  John P. Sadowski (NIOSH) (talk) 21:19, 21 March 2023 (UTC) @John P. Sadowski (NIOSH): That's just amazing, thank you for the help! I found one good review via your tool, which you can find here on PubMed, or here for the full text (you actually have to look for "Taylor" as a reference, because that's the first name on the original author list). I've also made my own research through PubMed, and found at least two recent papers that cite and discuss the work: here's the first, while here comes the second. I hope they can all be useful! Maybe, should we add them to Wrana's own Wiki article, as well, in order to further justify the sentence? Oltrepier (talk) 10:12, 22 March 2023 (UTC) @HickoryOughtShirt?4 and Oltrepier: Yes, please use those sources in the article wherever appropriate.  It looks like the mentions are scattered sentences rather than a pargraph specifically discussing his work, but they still strengthen the article. John P. Sadowski (NIOSH) (talk) 01:15, 26 March 2023 (UTC) @John P. Sadowski (NIOSH) and Theleekycauldron: Right, I've just tried to integrate all of the aforementioned sources in the original article: let me know if it's good enough. I must address that, actually, the whole page might need more secondary sources, but at least we should have got this specific part covered now. Anyway, thank you so much for your kind help! (Also, if we're going to use the hooks I've proposed by myself, can someone else approve them for me, please?) Oltrepier (talk) 17:36, 26 March 2023 (UTC)   === Articles created/expanded on February 7 ===   ==== 2023 South Ethiopia Region referendum ====  ... that the government of Ethiopia's SNNP region supported local governments calling for a referendum to secede from the region? Source: [8][9] Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/First Republic of ArmeniaCreated by Chipmunkdavis (talk). Self-nominated at 07:55, 8 February 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/2023 South Ethiopia Region referendum; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  Policy compliance:  Adequate sourcing: Y Neutral: Y Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Y Other problems: YOverall:  Is it really a good idea to run a hook for this article before we have the election results, especially as it will likely be running a few days after we get the results (and therefore rather significantly changed from the nominated version)? Not totally opposed to this; I don't think it is explicitly banned to do something like this, but I'm not sure it's really a good idea either. There aren't any other problems here, though. Elli (talk | contribs) 03:15, 11 February 2023 (UTC)  An interesting question. We don't run political hooks before elections or similar, but the actual voting has passed. (Another issue perhaps is that if I had waited for the results it would be past the seven day mark, but that's DYK so here we are.) Hopefully timely results emerge on the predicted date and the article will be updated then. CMD (talk) 06:00, 11 February 2023 (UTC) I think the point that Elli raises – and I must say, I agree – is not one about promotionality, it's one about article integrity. Once the results are released and analyzed, the article is likely to need or poorly undergo a large spate of of editing, and it'll need a re-review then. Let's hold off on approval until the results are tallied. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 09:43, 13 February 2023 (UTC) Article has been updated by HapHaxion. CMD (talk) 13:15, 3 March 2023 (UTC)  Pinging Elli and theleekycauldron to see whether their concerns have been addressed by the updates. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:19, 17 March 2023 (UTC) Gonna defer to Elli on that one, I think :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 22:20, 17 March 2023 (UTC) The final results seems pretty clear, despite one zone is still working through it, so if that is the concern I think this can go ahead now. Since my creation HapHaxion has gotten to the updates very fast, I'd like to request the promoter include them in the credits. I have inserted the code above. CMD (talk) 14:23, 24 March 2023 (UTC)   === Articles created/expanded on February 9 ===   ==== Mark Hunter (photographer) ====  ... that Mark Hunter, known as The Cobrasnake, started “one of the earliest and most impactful social photography sites” according to Vogue? Source: “ Hunter’s blog, which was one of the earliest and most impactful social photography sites of its kind, offered anyone with an internet connection unprecedented access into the blossoming hipster subculture: an intoxicating–and intoxicate” Vogue Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Bondiola sandwichCreated by Thriley (talk). Self-nominated at 04:45, 17 February 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Mark Hunter (photographer); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  Would it be possible for someone crop the image I included in the nomination? I think it’s great, but wouldn’t stand out on the front page as it is. Thriley (talk) 04:52, 17 February 2023 (UTC)Will review shortly. In the meantime @Thriley suggest trying CropTool to crop. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 18:19, 17 February 2023 (UTC) New (moved from draftspace Feb 9) and long enough. Mostly well written and sourced; some notes are below. Unable to load Earwig, but don't expect any issues there. QPQ present.Here are a few suggestions: The lede could use another sentence explaining what Hunter is known for, and move the birth date to just after "Mark Hunter". Add birth date and age to infobox. Fill in some bare link citations. Uncurl quotation marks. The sentence "It allowed anyone on the internet to have access" is hyperbolic; maybe put this in Vogue's voice (as in "Vogue argues that it allowed anyone on the internet to view ..." or similar). Some lingering q's: What did Hunter change the name of his website to? Relevance of the Kennedy paragraph? Why put one sentence about Hunter's book under its own heading?Not sure about the photo ... I see that it was uploaded by a new account (presumably Hunter), but it cannot be "Own work" because Hunter is the subject of the photo and not the photographer.The current hook doesn't grab me. My current thought is something zany likeALT1: ... that the Cobrasnake snapped stars? but would love to hear any other suggestions. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 19:27, 17 February 2023 (UTC) @Thriley: Hi, just checking in two weeks later. I realize I wrote a fairly long list of things to do. The only important ones for DYK are about neutrality and completeness - revising "It allowed anyone on the internet to have access ..." and clarifying a few things that are labeled "lingering q's" above. I can do any remaining copyediting after that. And please suggest a new hook, since I'm not supposed to approve one of my own. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 14:50, 2 March 2023 (UTC)Thank you. I’m going to shortly fix up the article and come up with a new hook. Thriley (talk) 20:05, 2 March 2023 (UTC)   === Articles created/expanded on February 12 ===   ==== Women and bicycling in Islam ====  ... that feminist activists' struggles for liberation, like those of Fatma Aliye Topuz (pictured), were helped along by the bicycle? Source: Raab Alon, Women cycling in the Middle East url=https://www.taylorfrancis.com/chapters/edit/10.4324/9781003142041-52/wheels-fire-alon-raab work=Routledge Companion to Cycling doi=10.4324/9781003142041-52/wheels-fire-alon-raab ALT1: ... that in May 2008, Queen Rania Al Abdullah of Jordan along with Syrian first lady Asma Akras Al Asad took part in a cycle ride for peace from Beirut to Bethlehem? Source: Madden, Steve, ed. (August 2008). "Pedaling for peace". Bicycling. Vol. 44, No. 7. USA: Rodale Inc. p. 34. ISSN 0006-2073. ALT2: ... that Saudi Arabian and Iranian movies Wadjda and The Day I Became a Woman use bicycle as metaphor for independence? Source:Bennett, Bruce (2022-10-31), "Cycling and cinema", Routledge Companion to Cycling, London: Routledge, pp. 28, 115, ISBN 978-1-003-14204-1, retrieved 2023-02-13  Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Södermanland Runic Inscription 113 Comment: Counting of expanded characters is too technical for me. But the article has been rejuvenated quite a fresh in last 4 days. If fails the 5 times expansion criteria please let me know I shall withdraw the nomination.5x expanded by LegalSmeagolian (talk) and Bookku (talk). Nominated by Bookku (talk) at 17:32, 12 February 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Bicycling in Islam; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  The first DYK source is accessed by request from WP:REREQ quote is included in the article citation that shall help verification, rest of the 2 DYKs were accessed from Google books.  Bookku    (talk) 12:19, 14 February 2023 (UTC)@LegalSmeagolian and Bookku: Could you please explain how you arrived at 5x expansion? I am not able to replicate your calculations using the DYK tool, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's wrong. (If the article is eligible, I would like to have the article run on International Women's Day if possible...but I do have a few very specific comments about things to fix first.) Cielquiparle (talk) 16:22, 24 February 2023 (UTC)@Cielquiparle: Sorry I am not technical enough for exact counting. But we rescued article from AFD claims, renamed and almost WP:TNT new start over. In number of sentences terms we may have retained at the most five sentences from version prior to 7 Feb, We added almost 30 new sentences. If you do not count bibliography part then new sentences are 5 times. Bibliography too was added by me in December.Since it is almost afresh I thought to present it over to this forum. we wish to respect rules and guidance.  Bookku    (talk) 18:36, 24 February 2023 (UTC) Article is new enough (expansion began on February 7 and was submitted on February 12). Although the way in which the 5x expansion was calculated did not, strictly speaking, adhere to the rules, based on the explanation given above, I see that the "original" article had 620 characters (105 words) of "salvageable prose" and by February 12, it had expanded to 4,795 characters (777 words). (The article is now at 5,786 characters (948 words) of prose.) On this basis, we can say that the article is long enough (expanded more than 5 times), and I would just ask that next time, you read the rules and install the DYK check tool so there is no uncertainty or confusion. (Basically, it's cleaner to delete all the prose you are not planning to keep, the day before you start expanding.) The article is well sourced throughout, with inline citations, and a lot of care has gone into trying to maintain a detached and neutral tone about a very sensitive and controversial subject. Earwig says copyvio is unlikely, although I do have one immediate concern which I will explain below. The QPQ is done. ALT0 is OK. So what is left is to discuss the other hooks and address some related issues:1) Please minimize the text quoted in Footnote 2 (the Raab chapter). It is too long and will raise flags down the line. I understand maybe you just included it to help the DYK reviewer, but we don't need it anymore, so please only include 2 to 3 key sentences at most. 2) ALT1 is not approved, as I was unable to verify this fact based on the source. While it's fine to just discard the hook if you don't want to fix it, the corresponding claim in the article still needs to be fixed. The original text (which is easily accessed through Wikipedia Library) says Follow the Women bike tour (followthewomen.com), from Beirut, Lebanon, to the Palestinian city of Bethlehem. The cyclists, whose ranks included women in long sleeves and head scarves, and women who'd learned to ride just to join the trip, rode with queen Rania Al-Abdullah of Jordan as well as Syrian first lady Asma Akhras Al-Assad, crossed the Jordan River (which was neither deep nor wide, they reported), shared meals with locals and visited refugee camps... Many of the Arab women ended their ride early... The reason I object to the current wording of ALT1 is that it makes it sound like both Queen Rania and First Lady Asma al-Assad rode together all the way from Beirut to Bethlehem, when in fact, based on other sources it sounds like they probably only joined a portion of the ride, because as ride sponsors, they were also responsible for hosting and officially receiving the cyclists. I would advise either finding a reliable source that explains their role a bit more clearly and modifying the article accordingly, or simplifying the sentence in the article so that it sticks closer to what the "Pedaling for Peace" article actually says (that the Rania and Asma "rode with" the women, without implying they both rode with the women the whole way). 3) In ALT2, the word "powerful" sounds non-neutral in wikivoice, so it needs to be reworded somehow – e.g. simply striking the word "powerful" out, or using wording to make it clear that there is a specific scholar you are naming in the article who says it's a "powerful metaphor" (e.g. "is viewed as a powerful metaphor..."). If you could please address these issues ASAP, I am happy to approve the hook for DYK. Many thanks for your hard work in rethinking and reworking this insightful article following the AfD discussion. Cielquiparle (talk) 19:43, 24 February 2023 (UTC) Pinging @Bookku:. (Also edited my own copy above.) Cielquiparle (talk) 19:49, 24 February 2023 (UTC) @Cielquiparle Many thanks for valuable inputs. We shall ping you as we accomplish suggested improvements. Although Alt1 and Alt2 are not must- in the article and in DYKs too I have tried to present diversity across regions in Muslim women's cycling practices and there by avoiding stereotype. 1) I have trimmed ref note a bit, I am also contemplating to split in feminist view and orthodox view and look for further scope of trimming as required. 2) For Alt1 I shall request @LegalSmeagolian and Ipigott: to help out to avoid grammar mistakes from my side when article is soon about to go for DYK. I suppose for Alt1 more sources may be available in Jordan and Syrian Arabic news media, but availability of such sources shall take it's own time. 3) About Alt2 metaphor of cycle in photographs has been discussed by author Raab too but without using word metaphor. Besides both the movies have been explored favorably by multiple academic authors though I could not spare enough time on all of those. I am  removing word 'powerful' from 'powerful metaphor' as of now as suggested. Idk if word 'substantial' will be enough for toning down. Just now saving in bit of hurry. I shall work further a little while later.  Bookku    (talk) 05:08, 25 February 2023 (UTC) @Bookku: Thanks for your response. Cielquiparle (talk) 13:01, 26 February 2023 (UTC)  Approving ALT0, ALT1, and ALT2. The current wordings of both ALT1 and ALT2 have been amended slightly to address concerns raised earlier (ALT1 says "took part in" instead of "took"; the word "powerful" has been removed from ALT2). The direct quote in the footnote has been split and shortened (though it could be shortened more, it is better than before). Additional sources and content have been added re: the Follow the Women bike tour. Happy to have this promoted for International Women's Day (8 March 2023, Prep Area 1) if possible. Cielquiparle (talk) 13:01, 26 February 2023 (UTC) I've unpromoted this due to multiple issues discussed at WP:DYK#Bicycling in Islam WT:DYK#Bicycling in Islam  and Talk:Bicycling in Islam and the dispute tags added to the article.  -- RoySmith (talk) 17:04, 6 March 2023 (UTC)@RoySmith, the link created by you seem to go some where else. I suppose that needs to be  WT:DYK#Bicycling in Islam  Bookku    (talk) 06:29, 8 March 2023 (UTC) Yeah, my bad.  The WT link is the correct one, thanks.  -- RoySmith (talk) 13:59, 8 March 2023 (UTC) This is just for record. I had discussed my views on some of the concerns expressed @ User talk:RoySmith#To clear the air. To be editorially neutral I will take their relevant concerns on article talk page for discussion after present round of article update by other users.  Bookku    (talk) 07:57, 11 March 2023 (UTC)   ==== Proposed new South Shore Line station in South Bend ====  ... that there are many proposals to build a new station in South Bend, Indiana for the South Shore Line? Source: Many in the article Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Craig GreenbergImproved to Good Article status by SecretName101 (talk). Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk) at 15:26, 16 February 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Proposed new South Shore Line station in South Bend; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  The hook doesn't sound all that interesting to me. Perhaps you should mention how long the proposals have been going on for. The article mentions that there were plans to relocate the station since 2006, an environmental study in 2008, and a financial estimate in 2013. Perhaps:ALT1: ... that the construction of a new station has been proposed in South Bend, Indiana for the South Shore Line since 2006? https://www.southbendtribune.com/news/local/next-stop-downtown-buttigieg-wants-south-shore-to-run-into/article_c56e5214-9907-5273-a286-7306e2b6ce0e.html@Onegreatjoke: @SecretName101: Sorry, forgot to ping. PizzaKing13 ¡Hablame! 00:46, 28 February 2023 (UTC)@PizzaKing13: We can do ALT2: "... that there have been many proposals for a new station at South Bend, Indiana for the South Shore Line since 2006? Onegreatjoke (talk) 20:06, 28 February 2023 (UTC) ALT2 looks good to me. New enough GA, long enough, hook is interesting, neutral, sourced, no copyright vios. PizzaKing13 ¡Hablame! 20:46, 28 February 2023 (UTC)Overall:  PizzaKing13 ¡Hablame! 06:02, 26 February 2023 (UTC)   @Onegreatjoke: Quite frankly this article seems WP:TOOSOON for publication on the main page, even if it would survive AfD. Maybe we could revisit as a "new" article for DYK when the station is [closer to being] finally built? Cielquiparle (talk) 09:37, 22 March 2023 (UTC)   === Articles created/expanded on February 14 ===   ==== Rufina Bazlova ====  ... that Rufina Bazlova has used traditional embroidery to depict protests in Belarus? Source: AGF for book source [2] and foreign language sources ALT1: ... that Rufina Bazlova's embroideries become digital narratives and thus a testimony to the Belarusian mass protests? Source: AGF (see article) Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Saint John's IslandCreated by Zartesbitter (talk). Nominated by Paul2520 (talk) at 02:35, 17 February 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Rufina Bazlova; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  Policy compliance:  Adequate sourcing: N - problems Neutral: Y Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: YHook eligibility:  Cited: N - Inline citations needed Interesting: YOverall:  @Zartesbitter and Paul2520: So some problems. Firstly, The awards and exhibitions sections look to be mostly uncited and I would prefer citations for them. Second, the hooks mentioned need to have inline citations in the article which it doesn't look like it is. Onegreatjoke (talk) 18:23, 19 February 2023 (UTC)  I have fixed the problems now. Zartesbitter (talk) 12:03, 2 March 2023 (UTC) @Onegreatjoke: did Zartesbitter's work adequately resolve the issues you mentioned? = paul2520 💬 15:41, 14 March 2023 (UTC)   === Articles created/expanded on February 16 ===   ==== Phisuea Samut ====  ... that the sea ogress Phisuea Samut (depicted), a main character from Phra Aphai Mani,  is worshipped as a deity in Thailand? Source: "ชาวเกาะเสม็ด ทำพิธีเปลี่ยนชุดให้ 'ผีเสื้อสมุทร' อัศจรรย์ฝนหยุดตกทันที". Thairath (in Thai). 2017-05-01. Retrieved 2023-02-10. Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Self-portrait (Jan Lievens)Created by Taung Tan (talk). Self-nominated at 20:50, 16 February 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Phisuea Samut; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.   New enough (but misplaced; it was created on 10 February and nominated on 16 February). Long enough. The prose section is mostly a summary of the legend about Phisuea Samut, and could gain from some context. It simply starts with "Legend tells the story" which seems an odd way to put it. What legend, told by whom, in what context? I think some background would be needed here. Also, I would remove the work "masterpiece" in the lead, unless possibly if you can show through sources that it is broadly considered a masterpiece by critics or in some other relevant way. "Mother Sea Butterfly" in bold should reasonably be placed in the lead, if I interpret the MOS correctly. The hook is supported by inline citations AGF, and the wording is fine. However I lack an inline source supporting the claim that it is an "ogress". QPQ perhaps done but the link is red, so please clarify this. So in all a few things to fix before I will take another look. Good luck! Yakikaki (talk) 09:29, 19 February 2023 (UTC)Yakikaki Qpq has been completed and some errors have been corrected. Taung Tan (talk) 07:39, 8 March 2023 (UTC) Thanks Taung Tan. The QPQ is now done. However, you didn't really address my concerns above. I also have further ones: note 1 needs to be rephrased, I don't understand what it means. Is it the case that Phisuea Samut is called "Mother Sea Butterfly" because of a linguistic similarity between the word "butterfly" and "ghost" in Thai language? What do you mean by "(not an insect)"? Maybe you can elaborate? I also think you need to explain more clearly who erected the statues, and when. It is very vague the way it is written now, again some context would be useful. But perhaps the sources are vague on this point? In that case you could rephrase it as something like "At one point, statues started to be erected..." or some such. Kind regards, Yakikaki (talk) 09:53, 11 March 2023 (UTC)   === Articles created/expanded on February 17 ===   ==== Balanica ====  ... that mandible BH-1 excavated in Mala Balanica in 2006 is the third oldest hominin fossil in Europe, being dated up to 525,000 BP? Source: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0054608 ALT1: ... that remains discovered in Velika Balanica suggest possible exchange of cultural innovations, ideas and technologies between Neanderthals and modern humans 300,000 years ago? Source: https://news.uwinnipeg.ca/neanderthals-from-the-balkans-had-cultural-ties-to-levant-300000-years-ago/ Reviewed:Created by PajaBG (talk). Self-nominated at 19:51, 17 February 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Balanica; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  Policy compliance:  Adequate sourcing: Y Neutral: Y Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: N - nHook eligibility:  Cited: N - n Interesting: YOverall:  @PajaBG: Good article but it doesn't look like the sources verify the hooks. Can you provide new sources or an exaplanation? Onegreatjoke (talk) 19:20, 19 February 2023 (UTC)  forgot to mention but there looks to also be lots of copyright issues. That will need to be addressed too. Onegreatjoke (talk) 19:24, 19 February 2023 (UTC)Hi @Onegreatjoke:. Hook 1. Source [10], in its Discussion segment, names only Sima de los Huesos and Mauer as older (per maximal minimum range). Source [11], in the very first line says "Mala Balanica, koja krije tajne trećeg najstarijeg ljudskog fosila u Evropi...", meaning "Mala Balanica, which hides secrets of the third oldest human fossil in Europe...".Hook 2. Source [12] in its segment Cultural connections in the Middle Paleolithic era, though they say, "Neanderthals or some other species". Source [13] cites University of Belgrade's Faculty of Philosophy's statement which basically says the same as the previous source, "neandertalci ili druge vrste ljudi" meaning "Neanderthals or other species of humans". Source [14], head of the Serbian team Dušan Mihajlović also talks about the connections and says the project, of which the Balanica caves survey is part of, is called ""Neanderthal and Early Modern Human interactions in the Central Balkans". So, maybe Hook 2 could add "early" before "modern humans". Also, the last source gives the range of this happening from 300,000 to 240,000, so maybe that can be added, too. I left both out due to the length issues.It is hard to rewrite scientific texts into your own words, replacing every single word with its synonym. I do try it and spend a lot of time on it, but frankly, I don't really care about, however it is called here, copyright, plagiarism, etc. Despite being imperfect to the perfection, Wikipedia is world's Number 1 starting point for knowledge. So, if we cite some scientists, and properly reference them, with links to their papers and journals, what's the fuss? They should say thank you. For whom are they making discoveries? If that was the point of mentioned "copyright issues". Real, printed, general encyclopedias never referenced anything, maybe just had a general list of literature listed at the end. At least in my part of the world, they were there to spread knowledge. Plus, this is just DYK, I didn't nominate it for GA or something. Take care! PajaBG (talk) 20:05, 25 February 2023 (UTC)   === Articles created/expanded on February 18 ===   ==== The Day of Books and Roses ====  ... that The Day of Books and Roses originated as Day of the Book in Barcelona, Spain in 1926 and was described as a day of "civility and intelligence"? Source: Page 130, second column, under the header, "El Dia Del Libro". https://books.google.com/books?id=nNUSAAAAIAAJ&newbks=0&vq=la%20vanguardia&pg=RA5-PA130#v=snippet&q=la%20vanguardia&f=false ALT1: ... that in Catalonia, Spain over 1.5 million books are sold annually on The Day of Books and Roses? Source: https://booksandroses.cat/en/about-booksandroses/ Reviewed: Comment: As a librarian, I want to support a day of books! (and love). Any help welcome.Created by Bridges2Information (talk). Self-nominated at 19:36, 20 February 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/The Day of Books and Roses (Catalonia); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.   Does this topic have too large an overlap with that of Saint George's Day (Spain)? Diada de Sant Jordi and Saint George's Day (Catalonia) are already redirects to the Catalonia section of that page. Would it be justified to have this article on the Catalan celebration and the other on Catalonia + Aragon and Valencia? Ham II (talk) 21:04, 20 February 2023 (UTC) @Ham II: Hi, it took me awhile to figure out how to reply, apologies (the reply link doesn't work). I'm not sure what to do. Perhaps update the Saint George page to reflect how the day is commemorated outside of Catalonia/Northeast Spain. I think the two redirects, that I didn't know about, should be redirected to The Day of Books and Roses. Is that possible? Bridges2Information (talk) 23:50, 20 February 2023 (UTC) @Ham II: I've edited the Saint George's Day (Spain) page to include information for another region in spain and shortened the information about Catalonia to be more in line with the other regions. Bridges2Information (talk) 00:58, 21 February 2023 (UTC) @Bridges2Information: Thanks for engaging with my concerns in good faith. Given that Saint George's Day has a subsection on Spain as well, my feeling is that there is one article too many – perhaps Saint George's Day (Spain) is now the superfluous one, and its contents could be merged into its parent article Saint George's Day. The Catalan celebration merits a standalone article, which would be The Day of Books and Roses, though I'm not sure about the name – I note that the German, Dutch and Breton Wikipedias have articles titled "Diada de Sant Jordi". I've redirected Diada de Sant Jordi and Saint George's Day (Catalonia) to The Day of Books and Roses. Ham II (talk) 21:09, 21 February 2023 (UTC) @Ham II: I think the idea of absorbing Saint George's Day (Spain) into the larger article makes sense. Especially because the other events/activities outside of Catalonia are smaller and seem to focus on religious aspects of the day, if it's celebrated at all. Bridges2Information (talk) 21:57, 21 February 2023 (UTC) @Ham II: Thank you for integrating the information St. George's Day (Spain) into the larger St. George's Day page.Bridges2Information (talk) 21:40, 28 February 2023 (UTC)   === Articles created/expanded on February 19 ===   ==== Oscar Holmes ====  ... that during World War II, Oscar Holmes became the first black US naval aviator only because the still-segregated Navy initially thought the light-skinned Holmes was white? Source: Kraus, Terry. "Oscar Holmes: He Broke Three Color Barriers, but Few Knew" (PDF). Federal Aviation Administration.Schneller, Robert J., Jr. (January–February 1998). "Oscar Holmes: A Place in Naval Aviation" (PDF). Naval Aviation News. United States Navy. Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Baltasar CalvoCreated by Clarityfiend (talk). Self-nominated at 17:41, 25 February 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Oscar Holmes; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  Policy compliance:  Adequate sourcing: N - what makes black past reliable? Neutral: Y Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: YQPQ: N - Not doneOverall:  @Clarityfiend: Good article. Though, what makes Black Past a reliable source? Also, I may be confused but does the article contradict with Jesse L. Brown, I may be dumb here. Minor comment that isn't DYK mandatory, "He was survived by his wife and their three[3] or four[5] children." should probably be rid of per WP:SURVIVEDBY. QPQ also needed. Onegreatjoke (talk) 23:01, 26 February 2023 (UTC)  @Onegreatjoke: Have you read BlackPast.org? The Library of Congress and the New York Public Library reference librarians consider it reliable. As for SURVIVEDBY, that's a bit nitpicky, but okay. I'll rephrase it. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:33, 27 February 2023 (UTC) As for Jesse Brown, the distinction appears to be due to the fact that Holmes was already a pilot when he enlisted, hence he didn't need flight training. Clarityfiend (talk) 18:55, 27 February 2023 (UTC) @Clarityfiend: Alright, I still need a QPQ though. Onegreatjoke (talk) 20:30, 28 February 2023 (UTC) @Onegreatjoke: QPQ done. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:19, 3 March 2023 (UTC)   ==== Desert of Maine ====  ... that there is a "desert" in the U.S. state of Maine called the Desert of Maine? source Reviewed:Improved to Good Article status by AverageEstoniaEnthusiast (talk). Self-nominated at 23:33, 19 February 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Desert of Maine; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  Drive-by comment (not a full review): (1) "only desert in New England" does not appear in the article, and needs to before this hook can be approved; (2) quora is not a reliable source, and neither is the YouTube video used as a reference in the article. —David Eppstein (talk) 02:13, 20 February 2023 (UTC) (edit conflict)  AverageEstoniaEnthusiast Welcome. Regarding the hook it is catchy and would be a quirky hook, however it needs to be in the article. The article has the correct inline citations and is neutral. Recently promoted to GA so it fits our criteria for inclusion. First DYK nomination so a QPQ is not needed. Since there is no RS which states the hook it needs a reference. The article and hook are interesting. In addition to the hook I have a concern about a copyright violation, the detector picks up. See here.  Bruxton (talk) 02:17, 20 February 2023 (UTC) I edited the source and hook. The readability of the hook might be a little bit wonky, so let me know if you want it changed. I will start working on filtering out the plagiarism in the article.AverageEstoniaEnthusiast (talk) 03:49, 20 February 2023 (UTC) After doing a bit of investigating, I found that the version with the 'plagiarized' information was actually fully stolen from the Wikipedia article at the time. To be fair, the "Random Times" sounds pretty sketchy, so a stunt like this is most definitely something they would do. For proof of this, see Revision as of 14:17, 3 February 2021 Basically exactly what Crescent77 said.It's pretty clear the article of copyright concern is copypasta that takes most of its material from WP, most of the rest from sources referenced here. Alot of the material in question has been on WP for years, while the article of concern is only a little more than a year old. Crescent77 (talk) 03:55, 20 February 2023 (UTC)  I removed a youtube reference see Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources. Bruxton (talk) 18:05, 21 February 2023 (UTC) From WP:RSPYT: "Content uploaded from a verified official account ... may be treated as originating from the uploader and therefore inheriting their level of reliability." The content being cited comes from the management of the attraction, which would be an unreliable source for anything with promotional tendencies, but I think it can be accepted for something as neutral as when the attraction got its current name. -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 20:03, 22 February 2023 (UTC) @Bryanrutherford0, AverageEstoniaEnthusiast,  and David Eppstein: Bryanrutherford0 you have left out the most important part of WP:RSPYT where they give an example of a verified account that is acceptable such as that of a news organization. This video is a YouTube cartoon created by a privately owned company. Is it really needed for the article? It seems easy to replace this with another reference and maybe move this YouTube video to external links? The article is somewhat incomplete (D7) in that we also do not list the recent new owners or previous owners in the article. Also here is an archived Boston Magazine article about the place. Possibly some lines in that article would support ALT0 with cultural definitions of desert. I hope to approve a new hook or find support for ALT0, but we have these other issues to sort out. Bruxton (talk) 00:15, 23 February 2023 (UTC) A news organization is, indeed, mentioned as an example of a source that might post Youtube content that might be relevant to a WP article, but the guideline certainly doesn't say, "Only content from news organizations has the potential to be cited in a WP article." The citation is used to support the assertion of the date of origin of the attraction's current name, and refusing to accept a business's assertion of its own date of establishment, in the absence of controversy or conflicting published claims, seems excessively pedantic to me. As for whether it's needed, not at all, if you're aware of another published source that documents the same fact. The attraction's owners aren't notable, and there would be nothing to say about them beyond their names, which would add nothing to the article for any reader not already personally acquainted with them. Given how little the article would gain in context from the inclusion of a non-notable name, I incline in the direction of respecting the privacy of persons who aren't the subject of the article, as discussed at WP:LPNAME. The Boston Magazine piece looks like an excellent find, and should definitely be used to improve the article. -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 01:11, 23 February 2023 (UTC) Thanks @Bryanrutherford0:, our article does not say that this is privately owned until the end of the article I think it should be in the lead. The privacy of the owners is probably out the window when they have RS about them. I will await a new ALT or support for ALT0 and I will not edit war the YouTube source. I think if it can be replaced it should be. Two editors here have called it out as red. I am but one editor here and whatever I approve will get scrutinized by an admin queue promotor and then it will be subject to errors. Perhaps the nominator can return to add information and get a hook back on track?  Bruxton (talk) 01:55, 23 February 2023 (UTC)I do agree with Bryan Rutherford that YT is an acceptable source in this case, but I did find an alternate to keep folks happy. I agree with Bruxton that the lede should indicate the site is privately owned, so I edited as such. I agree with Bryan Rutherford that the inclusion of a list of owners is both unneccesary and undesirable. Crescent77 (talk) 03:16, 23 February 2023 (UTC)  Thank you @Crescent77: I appreciate your efforts and thank you for the opinion. I think the ownership is is more about adding the timeline of ownership, and maybe the 2018 price, 725k. Also these articles list property amenities like a gift shop and barn which is more than 225 years old, which are not in the article. 1, 2. It is about the article being complete (D7). ATM, we are giving the article the appearance that this is some geology museum and not a private business. So that is where my confusion came in. When I first read the article this seemed like a park, not a private business. Even now it also uses a museum infobox. It calls the area a "Geology museum" in the infobox, but Geology museum is not mentioned or referenced in our article. The owners make no such claim, they simply call the place a "Tourist Attraction". The article is also listed in three museum categories. But Museum is not mentioned or referenced at all in our article. If this is a museum or geology museum, that should be made clear in the article. Bruxton (talk) 16:03, 23 February 2023 (UTC) @Bryanrutherford0, AverageEstoniaEnthusiast,  and Crescent77: The nomination has been stalled just shy of three weeks without action. The unaddressed issue is outlined above and I am wondering if anyone plans edit the article so that the nomination can proceed. This is strictly a tourist attraction but the article is in three museum categories- those should be removed. I see that "Geology museum" has been removed from the infobox so that is one step. Our article probably should also use the "attraction" Template:Infobox attraction and not the museum one. Our article should make it clear that this is not a museum and it is a tourist attraction.  Bruxton (talk) 01:13, 15 March 2023 (UTC) Bruxton, I'm wearing my editor hat and not my DYK hat, so this is not a re-review. That said, I made the changes mentioned above. AEE already implemented the infobox fix, and I fixed the cats and moved the YouTube video to the EL section. I don't think there's anything left that suggests this is a museum. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:49, 17 March 2023 (UTC) @Firefangledfeathers: thank you much, please review - I think all they need is a hook that is in the article. Bruxton (talk) 01:51, 17 March 2023 (UTC) ALT0 has been edited since the first reviewers looked at it, and I think it's supported now. We could also do: ALT1: ... that there is a "desert" in Maine? as a final slot hook maybe? The hookiness does depend on basic reader awareness of Maine climate/geography though. ALT2 ... that a farm was treated so poorly that it turned into the Desert of Maine? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 02:07, 17 March 2023 (UTC) @AverageEstoniaEnthusiast and Crescent77: Checking if you like either of these. Bruxton (talk) 13:44, 17 March 2023 (UTC) The participants have not responded to me for three weeks so I request a re-review from another editor. Bruxton (talk) 16:31, 16 March 2023 (UTC)   ==== Aubri Esters ====  ... that Aubri Esters was among the winners of a hackathon focused on ways to reduce drug addiction and deaths? Source: https://www.wbur.org/news/2016/09/12/opiod-hackathon Reviewed:Created by Elttaruuu (talk). Self-nominated at 06:08, 19 February 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Aubri Esters; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  Policy compliance:  Adequate sourcing: Y Neutral: Y Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: N - noHook eligibility:  Cited: Y Interesting: ?QPQ: ?Overall:  @Elttaruuu: Thanks for contributing to DYK; your article needs some copy editing as the [earwig score]  is exceeding the limit. RV (talk) 09:32, 21 February 2023 (UTC)   Thank you very much for the revision. It appears to be satisfactory to me, and I've marked it for review. RV (talk) 02:15, 23 February 2023 (UTC)   === Articles created/expanded on February 20 ===   ==== Destination (game) ====  ... that Destination, a bestselling taxi-based British board game, entered administration after the film release of Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince was delayed by eight months? Source: https://www.theguardian.com/small-business-network/2012/oct/29/bouncing-back-from-bankruptcy, https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/mbe-for-dragons-den-star-shame-her-business-has-just-gone-under-1704128.html Reviewed: exempt5x expanded by MB190417 (talk). Self-nominated at 12:21, 21 February 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Destination (game); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  Comment. It wasn't the game that entered administration, rather, it was the publisher RTL Games that did so. Mindmatrix 16:34, 25 February 2023 (UTC) @MB190417:  Article is new enough. Not quite long enough though - the before version is 1458 chars, and it's currently around 4,230 (2.9x expansion, 7290 is the target). Possible additions: the Dragon's Den story, and the irony of her success after, might be expandable and interesting; a Reception section might be useful if possible; perhaps briefly describe some elements of gameplay variations in the most notable editions. Otherwise well written (I did small copyedits) and cited - the Amazon links seem fine, though WP:RSPAMAZON suggests just citing the product itself. No QPQ needed; first nomination. As implied above, new suggestions for hooks are welcome. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 03:58, 3 March 2023 (UTC)Hi Hameltion, thank you so much for your review and helpful copyedits to the article.  I'm very sorry not to have checked the expansion rate: that was silly of me; I had assumed I had easily expanded by 5x!  The article should now meet eligibility at 7362 B (diff from your review), though further copyediting may be welcomed. I've added further information across the history section, as well as a new paragraph on gameplay variations as you suggested.  Unfortunately, I couldn't find much by way of a section on Reception, with surprisingly few comments in local newspapers that might have been expected to report on the launches of local editions (there were probably more sources 10 years ago when new versions of the game were being released, so I feel like we are constrained to a smaller pool!). I wasn't sure how to interpret WP:RSPAMAZON for a board game, seeing as the guidance seems to have in mind printed sources such as books rather than products; for disclosure, I've cited Amazon as a source in the new paragraph on gameplay variations, specifically using information from the image of the gameplay manual for Destination Hogwarts.  But I think this is still in-keeping with the spirit of WP:RSPAMAZON. Once again, thank you so much for your review and copyedits, and I am sorry not to have been careful to check the expansion rate! _MB190417_ (talk) @MB190417: No worries. Size approx. 7350+ now, the added material all looks good.  Last thing basically is to propose one or more alternative hooks for me to sign off on. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 23:46, 3 March 2023 (UTC) Great, thanks!  Here are a few: ALT1: ... that the publisher of Destination, a bestselling taxi-based board game, entered administration after the film release of Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince was delayed by eight months? ALT2: ... that Destination became Hamleys' bestselling board game three months after its investment pitch was rejected on television? ALT3: ... that a BBC investigation on bank irresponsibility changed the fate of Destination, a bestselling taxi-inspired board game? _MB190417_ (talk) 01:56, 10 March 2023 (UTC)Thanks. These are better, but want something snappier (either revision or new). Also, in ALT1 it's not clear that the delay caused the legal action, and "administration" is not familiar in the US; ALT2 is smart but it seems the episode aired after the game came out, so maybe reword but keep the meaning; and ALT3 is fairly vague ("changed the fate"). Hameltion (talk | contribs) 02:12, 10 March 2023 (UTC)   ==== Antananarivo–Toamasina toll highway ====  ... that the completion of the Antananarivo–Toamasina toll highway will reduce typical travel time from Madagascar's capital to its largest port by between five-and-a-half and seven-and-a-half hours? Source: Madagascar Tribune and Africanews Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Light the BeamCreated by Red-tailed hawk (talk). Self-nominated at 05:09, 20 February 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Antananarivo–Toamasina toll highway; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.   Article new and long enough - I would shorten the hook as it repeats some information in the body verbatim, but not a disqualifier. Copyvio not detected, hook interesting. QPQ done, and hook verified in source cited + mentioned in article. The two sources linked above isn't inline cited to the hook fact in article, but the existing one does so no issue there. Good to go. Juxlos (talk) 08:59, 20 February 2023 (UTC) Just a quick comment, but the hook can be further shortened by converting the measurements into numerals. It's not that common to spell out compound fractions like that. Thus: ... that the completion of the Antananarivo–Toamasina toll highway will reduce typical travel time from Madagascar's capital to its largest port by between 5.5 and 7.5 hours? Imzadi 1979 →  17:33, 4 March 2023 (UTC) Works for me. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 23:01, 9 March 2023 (UTC)  @Red-tailed hawk and Juxlos: Unfortunately this hook cannot run as is. At the moment, it sounds like Wikipedia is making a prediction in wikivoice about a highway that has not been completed yet. As we all know, large public infrastructure projects are often political footballs – governments and various parties often make claims about future expected benefits that don't always pan out. It's also possible that the highway will not be completed. I'm not even sure if it's ok to feature this article on the main page, given that it's about a highway that hasn't been built/isn't in operation yet, but at minimum the hook would need to be modified in some way. Cielquiparle (talk) 13:03, 13 March 2023 (UTC) Would that the completion of the Antananarivo–Toamasina toll highway will reduce typical travel time from Madagascar's capital to its largest port by between 5.5 and 7.5 hours, per Madagascar's government work better for you? — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 13:21, 13 March 2023 (UTC) Formatting the hook above as ALT0b (with further tweaks to stay within the 200 character limit) and proposing a few other modifications:ALT0b: ... that completion of the Antananarivo–Toamasina toll highway will reduce typical travel time from Madagascar's capital to its largest port by between 5.5 and 7.5 hours, per Madagascar's government? ALT0c: ... that Madagascar's government expects the Antananarivo–Toamasina toll highway to reduce typical travel time from the capital to its largest port by between 5.5 and 7.5 hours, once completed? ALT0d: ... that once completed, Madagascar's government expects the Antananarivo–Toamasina toll highway to reduce typical travel time from the capital to its largest port by between 5.5 and 7.5 hours? Need another editor to review and approve (or propose more ALT hooks). Cielquiparle (talk) 18:14, 13 March 2023 (UTC)   === Articles created/expanded on February 22 ===   ==== Quarterback (TV series) ====  ... that Patrick Mahomes (pictured) will star in Quarterback, a streaming television series produced by his own production studio? Source: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/02/22/netflix-nfl-partner-on-quarterback-series/ ALT1: ... that the upcoming Quarterback series will be the first collaboration between Netflix and the NFL? Source: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/02/22/netflix-nfl-partner-on-quarterback-series/ ALT2: ... that to film the series Quarterback, the NFL allowed quarterbacks to be mic'd up for every game of the 2022 season? Source: https://www.vikings.com/news/netflix-kirk-cousins-patrick-mahomes-marcus-mariota-quarterback-docuseries Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Joey Marciano Soulbust (talk) 08:29, 12 March 2023 (UTC) Comment: Image only applicable for ALT0. QPQ to be done soon.Created by Soulbust (talk). Self-nominated at 19:46, 1 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Quarterback (TV series); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.   New enough (just), long enough. Early spotchecks found no issues, however oddly enough it's the sentences relating to hook ALT2 that have the closest paraphrasing. The sentences on microphones need rewriting. The ALT2 hook is the most interesting of the above, and by itself does not appear to be a close paraphrase. QPQ not done. CMD (talk) 15:29, 4 March 2023 (UTC) @Soulbust: QPQ needs to be done, it's been over a week since the nomination and the reminder above. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:40, 11 March 2023 (UTC)QPQ completed. Soulbust (talk) 08:29, 12 March 2023 (UTC) @Chipmunkdavis: Is this ready for a new look? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:21, 29 March 2023 (UTC) Some rewriting is still needed to remove the close paraphrasing. CMD (talk) 12:45, 29 March 2023 (UTC)   ==== African Space Agency ====  ... that the African Union has set up a space agency in a space city? Source: [15] Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Jailangkung Comment:Created by Chipmunkdavis (talk). Self-nominated at 12:30, 23 February 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/African Space Agency; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  I'm starting a review. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:34, 23 February 2023 (UTC)Policy compliance:  Adequate sourcing: Y Neutral: N - There's more than one source with the title "Is there a need for an African space agency?".  This one, for example, concludes that there isn't.  This negative view is not presented in the article. Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: YHook eligibility:  Cited: Y Interesting: Y Other problems: N - The hook teases with its talk of a space city.  The reader is likely to be disappointed that the article has a red link for this.  Perhaps this should be unlinked and the section expanded to give them more details of the space city.Overall:  The biggest issue is balance as there seems to be plenty of negative opinion out there. Also, I'm not understanding the reference to Jailangkung in the nominator's comment. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:53, 23 February 2023 (UTC)  Sorry, that was the QPQ, I must have put it in the wrong box. Regarding neutrality, those are older articles of the sort of discussion that always precedes the creation of any body (is it necessary, what would it do, etc.). The opposition was the same as it always is for these projects, money better elsewhere, another white elephant sort of thing. I don't see that as due. I also haven't put any positive opinion in. In both cases, as the org was just founded, there isn't much actually behind it either way (well, a delay of opening from 2022 to 2023, but again that is reasonably routine and I haven't seen any source call it out). On the Space City, it's a newly built complex that also holds the Egyptian Space Agency. I can add more to this article, and alternatively I suppose an article could be created for it; I thought it worth a red link although I'm not 100% on how notability for that sort of infrastructure development. CMD (talk) 00:06, 24 February 2023 (UTC) I wondered if Jailangkung was the QPQ but didn't recognise your abbreviated sig of CMD there.  I've updated the review now to acknowledge this. But I'm still not content with the other issues.  I'll look at the topic more closely myself. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:34, 24 February 2023 (UTC) I have found a second source noting a different person with a similar concern over prioritisation from before the agency was founded, so I have added that citing both that source (in a CNN report) and Martinez 2012. I also found two sources noting a slowdown in 2020 due to budget and benefit concerns, and so added that as well. CMD (talk) 15:01, 24 March 2023 (UTC)   ==== Rosa Smester Marrero ====  ... that Rosa Smester Marrero, a schoolteacher and feminist writer from Santiago de los Caballeros, protested against the American occupation of the Dominican Republic by writing in the national press? Source: https://revistas.uasd.edu.do/index.php/ecos/article/view/154/88 page 23 (other sources offered in the article); https://epdf.tips/contemporary-caribbean-cultures-and-societies-in-a-global-context.html pages 163-4. Reviewed:Created by Rafird (talk). Nominated by MB190417 (talk) at 22:15, 22 February 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Rosa Smester Marrero; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page. will review this FuzzyMagma (talk) 12:26, 5 March 2023 (UTC)  Overall:  (hook brainstorming) Well-written article and kudos MB190417 for rescuing the article . Learned a lot. some minor comments (1) re-upload the image as a non-free image if you do not know if it is free or not given the that the subject is dead. Use this link and take this image as a reference of how to fill the required info. here also some alternatives. (2) can you address the reliability of reference no. 6 and 9 (preferably on Talk:Rosa Smester Marrero and why you think it can be accepted, or please provide a better reference?  ALT1:  ... that Rosa Smester Marrero protested US occupation of the Dominican Republic and refused to speak English so Americans would not also occupy her mind? FuzzyMagma (talk) 13:14, 5 March 2023 (UTC)Hi @FuzzyMagma, thanks for your very kind review.  I've reuploaded the image, and removed the claims previously tagged with "better source needed" (further explanation is provided on the talk page).  Please note too that I came across another book which - thank heavens - published two of Smester's works, so the article has now been further expanded, and may require further copyedits.  New additions mostly discuss her views of feminism, motherhood, gender roles, and teaching; here is the diff since your review.  As for ALT1, this now includes a claim retracted from the article, so here are some other alternatives: ALT2: ... that Rosa Smester Marrero protested against the US occupation of the Dominican Republic by refusing to speak English? ALT3: ... that Rosa Smester Marrero protested against the US occupation of the Dominican Republic by writing in the national press? ALT4: ... that Rosa Smester Marrero said that without women, men would live the life of a turnip? _MB190417_ (talk) 01:34, 10 March 2023 (UTC)@MB190417: great work, thanks for adding the picture and for elaborating more on your sources in the page talk. Truly great work. if you improved the lede and dug some details about her early life, I think there is a chance this can be a good article. I might come later and help. As for now, I did some light copy editing and removed some typos. All new ALT are referenced, and I like ALT2 and ALT4. We can make it more dramatic/controversial by ALT5: ... that Rosa Smester Marrero, a prominent Dominican feminist, believed motherhood is a woman's "true mission" and a woman's life devoid of maternal work is "useless"? I will leave it to you to decide between ALT 2, 4, and 5. FuzzyMagma (talk) 09:41, 10 March 2023 (UTC) Far from making it dramatic/controversial, I would say ALT5 just makes it both tedious and offensive to those of us who have heard this far too many times. There are lots of catchy alternatives, let's use them. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 14:33, 17 March 2023 (UTC)   === Articles created/expanded on February 23 ===   ==== Matt Hicks (basketball) ====  ... that NIU dorm residents cast 65,000 write-in votes to elect Matt Hicks to the 1977 Pizza Hut All-American game? Source: https://www.proquest.com/docview/169561939 Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Guslagie MalandaCreated by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self-nominated at 03:04, 2 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Matt Hicks (basketball); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  Overall:  @TonyTheTiger: Good article. AGF on sources since I can't access ProQuest. Onegreatjoke (talk) 21:18, 2 March 2023 (UTC)  User:Onegreatjoke Please double-check. You should be able to access the sources.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:23, 2 March 2023 (UTC)   ==== It's OK to Be Angry About Capitalism ====  ... that in his book It's OK to Be Angry About Capitalism, Bernie Sanders (pictured) refers to Jeff Bezos as "the embodiment of the extreme corporate greed that shapes our times"? ALT1: ... that in his book It's OK to Be Angry About Capitalism, Bernie Sanders (pictured) refers to American billionaires as oligarchs? ALT2: ... that it's okay to be angry about capitalism? Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/The Crew Motorfest Comment: DYK hooks try to not unduly focus on the negative, but I don't think ALT0 does "unduly". Bezos.... is who he is. ALT1 does not identify anyone by name, but it's also nothing new, so I don't like it so much. ALT2 could work for an April Fools hook if no other ideas work. Also, the image currently appears in the sidebar. I don't know if that's good enough or if it needs to be in the article itself.Created by Muboshgu (talk). Self-nominated at 01:38, 23 February 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/It's OK to Be Angry About Capitalism; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  Comment: Personally, I'm not impressed by either ALT1 or ALT2.  ALT1 is pretty uninteresting/expected as far as critiques of capitalist wealth go.  ALT2, on the other hand, feels like a violation of WP:NPOV, April fools or not. _MB190417_ (talk) 15:51, 23 February 2023 (UTC) Fair points. I prefer ALT0 but will try to brainstorm some others in case that's not seen as appropriate for the main page. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:54, 23 February 2023 (UTC) I agree with MB190417, and honestly I'd say ALT0 has the same pitfall as ALT1. This is an entire book — surely Sanders has included some amusing anecdote or unexpected fact that would make for a catchy hook? {{u|Sdkb}} talk 07:43, 28 February 2023 (UTC)I think I've covered all of the significant anecdotes as reported by the reliable sources. So, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ – Muboshgu (talk) 21:10, 3 March 2023 (UTC) I will say the sources easily check out in terms of reliability and high quality, and it is properly-written. User:HumanxAnthro (BanjoxKazooie) 22:27, 24 February 2023 (UTC)  Full review needed. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:19, 8 March 2023 (UTC)  Article is new enough, long enough, and earwig compliant; I have some concerns about the sourcing, though. You seem to be citing quite a few sources that either unreliable or don't demonstrate due weight of the facts they support due to partisanship, including Rolling Stone and WCIV (SBG-owned). I also agree with the above that the hooks presented don't really fly, so it would be nice if others could be fine (although the article is pretty content-heavy). A QPQ has been done – nice work so far, Muboshgu! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 02:40, 10 March 2023 (UTC)Thanks. I'll take a look at the sources and try to think of another hook. I don't see a problem with using Rolling Stone or a Sinclair-owned station given the contents and plenty of strong sources are used, like the Guardian, Fortune, NYT, NPR, New York magazine. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:01, 10 March 2023 (UTC)   === Articles created/expanded on February 24 ===   ==== The 1619 Project (TV series) ====  ... that according to Time magazine, The 1619 Project television series is "posed to spark fresh controversy"? Source: Time magazine article Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/National Tom Sawyer Days Comment: QPQ to follow. Open to ALT hooks.Created by Cielquiparle (talk). Self-nominated at 10:10, 3 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/The 1619 Project (TV series); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  Hook eligibility:  Cited: Y Interesting: N - just a suggestionQPQ: N - Not doneOverall:  @Cielquiparle: Good article. Though, I believe that the hook would benefit better from an explanation on what the controversy is supposed to be or why it wants to spark controversy. Simply just saying controversy I feel isn't interesting enough. Onegreatjoke (talk) 22:16, 3 March 2023 (UTC)   ==== Monster Max ====  ... that a Game Boy-released isometric action-adventure game was called by critics the closest in quality to and even greater than The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening? Source: GB Action review: "I for one hope everybody believes me when I say this is lengths ahead of the Zelda phenomenon."Banzzai review: "In direct line, we find Zelda: The Awakening which has now moved into second position in my personal ranking."Super Play review in this issueKeith of Super Gamer: "It's second only to Link's Awakening as the best Game Boy game ever". Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/It's OK to Be Angry About Capitalism Comment: Banzzai article is French. Sorry :/5x expanded by HumanxAnthro (talk). Self-nominated at 22:10, 24 February 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Monster Max; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  General eligibility: New Enough: N - n Long Enough: YHook eligibility:  Cited: Y Interesting: Y Other problems: N - Concision preferred.Overall:  Great work expanding the article. Sourced, neutral, and free of plagiarism. A couple of issues. First, is there a reason for the unusual notes section in this article? It seems like they could just as well have been cited as a normal reference rather than note. Second, while this article has been greatly expanded, it is about 200 words short of being expanded by 5 times. I think it would also be clearer and more concise to refer to the game by name in the ALT, rather than by euphemism. CurryTime7-24 (talk) 02:33, 27 February 2023 (UTC)   CurryTime7-24, thanks for the comments! The reason I was not explicit with the name was that I assumed readers would be way more interested in the being-compared-to-Zelda part. 200 words? Wow, that's close. User:HumanxAnthro (BanjoxKazooie) 20:38, 27 February 2023 (UTC) Got it. Well, referring to the game euphemistically gives greater attention to Link's Awakening than this game. After all, Monster Max is the star of this DYK. ;) As for the expansion being short by ca. 200 words, I don't think it would be tough to pad this article just a little more in order to reach the threshold. It's not a big deal to me personally, but I don't want this DYK nom to be derailed by another editor on a technicality. Again, great work here overall. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 20:49, 27 February 2023 (UTC) CurryTime7-24 Honestly, I think this article is as complete as it could be, so you can cancel this nomination. User:HumanxAnthro (BanjoxKazooie) 14:43, 8 March 2023 (UTC) I meant "200 characters". I'm very sorry about my mix-up of words. You've added enough since you submitted this DYK to meet the threshold. So all I'm waiting for now is for you to improve the ALT. I'm ready to review and approve once you're set! —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 18:04, 8 March 2023 (UTC) Oh, well in that case, let me submit a new ALT. ALT1 That some critics considered Monster Max to be the closest in quality to The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening over any other Game Boy game, some even greater than?User:HumanxAnthro (BanjoxKazooie) 18:28, 8 March 2023 (UTC)   === Articles created/expanded on February 25 ===   ==== Qnat ====  ... that during the Battle of Qnat, a group of 44 Lebanese resistance fighters stood up to a 3,000-strong Syrian brigade? Source: Clovis Choueifaty, This is how the Free Resistance faced the Assad army in Lebanon (Beirut, 2017) Reviewed:Created by PalauanReich (talk). Self-nominated at 02:48, 3 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Qnat; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  Policy compliance:  Adequate sourcing: N - The one giant paragraph in the History section has all its reference lumped at the end. I understand that often sources are reworked and mixed, making it impractical to identify a specific source for each statement. This giant paragraph should be broken up into more reasonable paragraph sizes, which will then also allow the references to be more specific. Neutral: N - The History section is not entirely NPOV, problem terms: "surprisingly effective", "martyred". Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: YHook eligibility:  Cited: N - As a result of the huge history paragraph, it is impossible to check if the hook is properly cited. Policy requires that "the hook must be supported in the article by at least one inline citation to a reliable source, appearing no later than the end of the sentence(s) offering that fact." Interesting: Y Other problems: N - The numbers in the hook are not mentioned in the article!Image eligibility:  Freely licensed: N - Taken from an external website without permission. Used in article: Y Clear at 100px: YOverall:  Thank you for working hard on this new geography article! Please modify the huge History paragraph by breaking it up into a few smaller paragraphs, adding the appropriate references. The hook itself must be in the article - if no sources back up the total number of fighters (from both sides!), then the hook needs to be rewritten. Remove the copyvio image. Other general improvement suggestions (not related to this DYK): add vital statistics and demographics, and Economy section. Thanks. -- P 1 9 9  ✉ 16:57, 9 March 2023 (UTC)  @PalauanReich: let me know when the article is ready for another review. At this moment, I still don't see the "3000-strong" fact in the article... -- P 1 9 9  ✉ 13:27, 27 March 2023 (UTC) @P199: sorry, I didn't know you could have it rereviewed, I instead created a Battle of Qnat wikipedia article that I submitted. It says 3000 strong though, right after Hamat Airport. PalauanReich (talk) 13:35, 27 March 2023 (UTC) Sure, DYK's are not dead after only one review. Articles can be worked on to address the issues raised in the DYK review. As for this review, sorry, yes, I see the "3000" in the article, but what source/reference is this number from? -- P 1 9 9  ✉ 13:46, 27 March 2023 (UTC) From here PalauanReich (talk) 12:01, 28 March 2023 (UTC) Sorry, it is not on that webpage (using Google Translate).  -- P 1 9 9  ✉ 13:11, 28 March 2023 (UTC)   ==== Myat Phaya Gyi ====  ... that the Burmese princess Myat Phaya Gyi (pictured) cohabited with a palace servant, gave up her royal princess insignia, and lived a life of great poverty and extreme loneliness until her death? Source: Shah, Sudha (2012). The king in exile : the fall of the royal family of Burma. New Delhi. pp. 40–45. ISBN 978-93-5029-598-4. OCLC 962026050. Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/TBACreated by Taung Tan (talk). Self-nominated at 16:01, 25 February 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Myat Phaya Gyi; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.   The size and freshness is good for DYK. The prose is well referenced and no copyvio was observed. The article reads "Myat Phaya Gyi fell in love with Gopal Bhaurao Sawant, an Indian palace gatekeeper, in 1906, when she was 26 years old, and had a child with him. At the time, he was already married." It's not clear how they married if the guy had a wife and the sentence implies the two had child before marriage. Please correct me if it's wrong. Also waiting for the QPQ. --Mhhossein talk 06:43, 27 February 2023 (UTC)Mhhossein, The reason why the princess never married him was because he already had a legal wife, which she was unaware of during their love affair. During that time, the gatekeeper pretended to be single in order to win the heart of the princess. Taung Tan (talk) 18:09, 4 March 2023 (UTC) Thanks for the explanations Taung Tan, so why does the hook say they got married? --Mhhossein talk 06:05, 14 March 2023 (UTC) My apology my misatke. fixed. Taung Tan (talk) 08:38, 14 March 2023 (UTC) No worries. Please let me know when you're done with your QPQ. --Mhhossein talk 06:36, 18 March 2023 (UTC) @Mhhossein: Just to make you aware, Taung Tan is currently indeffed for sockpuppetry, so said QPQ is unlikely to occur anytime soon. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 07:12, 21 March 2023 (UTC) Thanks for the notice, Iazyges. --Mhhossein talk 07:47, 25 March 2023 (UTC) Has a QPQ been provided yet? I'm willing to donate one for this nomination if one has not been provided yet. Pamzeis (talk) 02:13, 27 March 2023 (UTC)   ==== Bishopcroft ====  ... that, in 1910, the Bishop of Oregon commissioned a new residence that included a grand staircase, ballroom, and private chapel? Source: "National Register of Historic Places Registration Form: Bishopcroft of the Episcopal Diocese of Oregon". National Park Service. 18 May 2000. Retrieved 24 February 2023. Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Iconic (concert) Comment: Draft created by Bking64, article expanded and pushed to mainspace by PbrittiCreated by Bking64 (talk) and Pbritti (talk). Nominated by Pbritti (talk) at 16:27, 28 February 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Bishopcroft; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  Article: Created on February 24, 2023, nominated for DYK the same day.Y The length checks, and its neutrally written.Y Hook: Truth be told, the hook caught my eye among the other nominations mainly for the opulent description of a bishop's residence. The description of the design in the article was fairly interesting to me.Y No issues with the neutrality and the info checks.Y QPQ: checks.YLooks good to me.--GDuwenHoller! 21:51, 1 March 2023 (UTC)  Note: the article wasn't submitted on the date of creation; I did submit it within the requisite window, though. Just a minor correction for logging purposes. ~ Pbritti (talk) 22:08, 1 March 2023 (UTC) @Pbritti and GDuwen: I don't love ALT0, because it's a claim that has to be inferred from the original NRHP application, based on the fact that it states that no other alterations were made from the original design except for X, Y, Z. I searched the newspaper archives to see if I could find a reference to the ballroom in 1910/1911, but no joy there. It would be great if you could propose an ALT hook or two. Cielquiparle (talk) 11:33, 24 March 2023 (UTC) @Cielquiparle: I'm fairly certain that The house has been preserved in its original construction out of the source is explicit enough to to cover the grand staircase being original. There are multiple references to the bishop's chapel also being original in the NRHP report. The ballroom is additionally sourced to to not only the NRHP report (which doesn't describe it's origins in an exceedingly typical way of indicating it's presence in the original construction) but also to this article which indicates its lateral renovation. As best I can tell, the only hold up is that no source explicitly says "the ballroom was built in 1911" despite the overwhelming contextual evidence rather than unfounded inference. ~ Pbritti (talk) 13:17, 24 March 2023 (UTC) @Pbritti: Unfortunately I don't think this explanation will hold up when we get grilled about it; it's too many inferential leaps. (It's possible, for example, that the ballroom was originally the library and got converted by Sumner without any "major" alterations... It's impossible to tell with the sources given so far.) Furthermore, that OregonLive article is a bit breezy and superficial; in the end, it's promoting a quirky home for sale so it's a source to use with caution. Is there any way you could find a copy of Classic Houses of Portland, Oregon, 1850–1950 in a library near you? It seems to be the main source missing that covers the subject in detail, and could provide more interesting hook ideas. Cielquiparle (talk) 22:23, 24 March 2023 (UTC)We'd need to really, really contort the sources and assume the worst about a local paper's recent coverage to discount the most grammatically, contextually sound interpretation of the sources. However, I appreciate the excess caution in a post-Doug Coldwell world. I'll be checking out a copy of the book this weekend (it might require a day to ILL locally; I may expedite by dropping in when I'm in Denver for work) so we will have absolute confirmation then. ~ Pbritti (talk) 22:51, 24 March 2023 (UTC) @Cielquiparle: Point taken. Since we seem to be kind of stuck at the time, why not modifying the hook to read "commissioned a new residence that would include a grand staircase, ballroom, and private chapel?"?. I admit I did not go deep into those details while checking the source material. If it becomes that hard to establish, that modification of the hook would allow us to at least suggest that if the rooms were not there, they were added later at some other point in time. And if they were indeed there, it also covers it.--GDuwenHoller! 17:54, 27 March 2023 (UTC)   === Articles created/expanded on February 26 ===   ==== Zandra Flemister ====  ... that Zandra Flemister was the first African American woman to become a U.S. Secret Service agent? Source: Asma-Sadeque, Samira. (2023-02-26). "Zandra Flemister, first Black woman in Secret Service, dies aged 71." The Guardian. Retrieved from https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/26/zandra-flemister-first-black-woman-secret-service-dies Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Newark Liberty International AirportCreated by Topshelver (talk). Self-nominated at 02:24, 28 February 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Zandra Flemister; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.   New enough, (barely) long enough, and not a stub. QPQ done. I'm wary of "first X to do Y" hooks, but I think this one is interesting enough. Properly sourced. However, there appears to be some inappropriate copying or close paraphrasing from the Washington Post obituary: compare our article "Consul General in Pakistan and worked as the senior State Department representative at the FBI's Terrorist Screening Center in Washington" with WaPo "consul general in Islamabad, Pakistan, and in Washington as the senior State Department representative at the FBI’s Terrorist Screening Center"; compare also our article "affidavit in support of a class action lawsuit alleging rampant racial discrimination within the Secret Service" with WaPo "affidavit filed in support of a class-action lawsuit ... that alleged rampant racial discrimination within the Secret Service". This needs to be fixed before this can be promoted. —David Eppstein (talk) 03:22, 28 February 2023 (UTC)@David Eppstein: Thanks for the review. I made some edits - please take a look and let me know if additional edits are needed. Topshelver (talk) 13:12, 28 February 2023 (UTC) That is the kind of edit one makes when trying to hide plagiarism, rather than to avoid it. It keeps the overall sentence structure the same and merely replaces some words with synonyms. All content must be written in your own words, based on your understanding of the sources, rather than merely copying the source material and making cosmetic edits to disguise the fact that it is copied. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:39, 28 February 2023 (UTC)   ==== CFM International RISE ====  ... that unlike currently used aircraft engines, the in-development CFM International RISE engine would use an open rotor design? Source: CFM Unveils ‘Open Fan’ Demonstrator Plan For Next-Gen Engine, Aviation Week Network. ALT1: ... that the in-development CFM International RISE aircraft engine could use hydrogen fuel in addition to sustainable aviation fuel? Source: Boeing Keeps an “Open Mind” on RISE Engine Technology, Airways Magazine. Reviewed:Created by Taavi (talk). Self-nominated at 20:39, 28 February 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/CFM International RISE; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.   New enough and long enough. The user is QPQ-exempt. No textual copyvio issues. Other sources note the unusual nature of the design in the present environment, and both hook facts check out. Looks good to me. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 01:17, 8 March 2023 (UTC) @Taavi and Sammi Brie: Isn't it a bit WP:TOOSOON to be sending an article about a product under development to the Wikipedia main page? Ultimately the main source cited for this is a company announcement which was republished in Aviation Week, etc. – the type of source that is frowned upon at AfD. There is a lot of promising about a future product that hasn't been evaluated properly by independent secondary sources. Cielquiparle (talk) 16:40, 23 March 2023 (UTC)  Upon re-evaluation, the actual content of this article on the main topic (CFM International RISE) is too thin, too promotional, and simply too speculative per WP:CRYSTALBALL. At this time and in its current state, it is not suitable to be featured on the main page. Comments welcome but from me, this is a fail. Cielquiparle (talk) 03:36, 24 March 2023 (UTC)   === Articles created/expanded on February 27 ===   ==== Zenni Optical ====  ... that when Zenni Optical released a Super Bowl LIV ad, its website told a number of customers that eyeglasses deliveries would be delayed for between three and four weeks? Source: Narayan, Shwanika (2020-02-07). "From eyeglasses to backpacks, Bay Area firms scramble as coronavirus closes Chinese factories". San Francisco Chronicle. Archived from the original on 2023-02-27. Retrieved 2023-02-27.The article notes: "This should have been a good February for Zenni Optical. The Novato eyewear company aired its first Super Bowl ad, starring 49ers tight end George Kittle, this month. But some people who watched the ad and went online to order glasses got this message: “Due to mandatory business closures in China, standard delivery will extend to 21-28 days. Express and priority shipping will not be available. We apologize for any inconvenience.” ALT1: ... that Zenni Optical offers a collection of glasses constructed entirely from recycled plastic? Source: Ling, Vanessa (2023-01-23). "Zenni Optical Review: Affordable Custom Styles". Everyday Health. Archived from the original on 2023-02-27. Retrieved 2023-02-27.The article notes: "Zenni has a line of eco-conscious frames, ReMakes by Zenni, that are made from 100 percent recycled plastic." Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Live at Bush HallMoved to mainspace by Cunard (talk). Self-nominated at 06:02, 27 February 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Zenni Optical; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  I'll review this. BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:49, 1 March 2023 (UTC)Overall:  Impressive taking something that was salted and turning it into an article! Appears to be: new enough (moved to mainspace February 27), long enough, doesn't seem overly promotional, and no copyvios detected; the hooks are cited and are interesting. A QPQ has been done. This appears ready to go! BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:18, 1 March 2023 (UTC)   Is this article at AfD? There appears to be an AfD-like discussion transcluded somehow on the Talk page. Anyway, officially putting this nomination on hold until that is resolved. Cielquiparle (talk) 03:33, 23 March 2023 (UTC)   === Articles created/expanded on February 28 ===   ==== Torchlight: Infinite ====  ... that Torchlight: Infinite was worked on by the creator of Diablo, David Brevik? Source: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-04/diablo-s-creator-explains-why-he-s-working-for-a-chinese-rivalhttps://www.pocketgamer.biz/asia/job-news/79700/diablo-veteran-david-brevik-joins-the-torchlight-infinite-team/ Reviewed:Created by Nmarshall25 (talk). Self-nominated at 18:45, 28 February 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Torchlight: Infinite; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.   Article was worked on in draftspace and was moved into mainspace. It is long enough and sourced, although there is a citation needed tag that needs to be addressed. The article appears to be written neutrally and without copyright violation. Nmarshall25 has one DYK credit to their name, so QPQ is not required for this nomination. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:06, 10 March 2023 (UTC)   ==== Karmalink ====  ... that Karmalink is the first science fiction film from Cambodia? Source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/saramerican/2022/07/31/cambodian-sci-fi-film-karmalink-spotlights-displaced-communities-and-countrys-tech-developments/?sh=582599d710a0 ALT1: ... that Cambodia's first science fiction film, Karmalink, combines Buddhist concepts of karma with themes of artificial intelligence? Source: https://variety.com/2021/film/reviews/karmalink-review-chiet-krawy-1235054335/ Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Ilford Park Polish HomeCreated by Arcahaeoindris (talk). Self-nominated at 17:40, 28 February 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Karmalink; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.   The article is currently rated as a stub, although in terms of raw character count it passes the DYK checker. I'll look more into this while you expand it to the best of your abilities. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 00:22, 1 March 2023 (UTC) Thank you! I called it a stub as I just started it. I have reclassed it as "start-class" now. Arcahaeoindris (talk) 09:31, 2 March 2023 (UTC)   === Articles created/expanded on March 1 ===   ==== Garry Kasparov ====  ... that Garry Kasparov holds the record for most consecutive professional chess tournament victories? Source: Roudik, Peter (2009). Culture and Customs of the Caucasus. Westport, Connecticut: Greenwood Press. p. 186. ISBN 978-0-313-34885-3. Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/True (Spandau Ballet song) ALT1: that Garry Kasparov, the World Chess Champion from 1985 to 2000, broke away from FIDE following a dispute in 1993 and established the rival organisation PCA that same year? Source: Evans, Larry (4 November 1995). "CONTROVERSY OVER TWO RIVAL RATING SYSTEMS". Sun-Sentinel. Archived from the original on 2 July 2021. Retrieved 2 July 2021.Improved to Good Article status by Dallavid (talk) and Billsmith60 (talk). Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk) at 17:51, 4 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Garry Kasparov; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  Comment I thought it might be better to use a DYK that wasn't one of Kasparov's records, because those could potentially be surpassed in the future. I had also wanted to write out the full names, "...from the International Chess Federation (FIDE)  following a dispute in 1993 and established the rival organisation Professional Chess Association (PCA)..." because the average reader may not be familiar with them, but this would've gone over the character limit. --Dallavid (talk) 00:03, 7 March 2023 (UTC) Hook eligibility:  Cited: ? Interesting: YOverall:  I'm not a chess expert, but recognize Kasparov as a great, so most consecutive wins does not seem all the surprising or interesting. The alt hook has potential. However, I don't see where "World Chess Champion from 1985 to 2000" is  explicly stated (and sourced) in the article. Also, the hook's "dispute in 1993" is not clear in the text of the WP article, which only seems to mention: "After a confusing and compressed bidding process produced lower financial estimates than expected..." Finally, the article's "Their match took place under the auspices of the Professional Chess Association (PCA), an organisation established by Kasparov" is not supported by the nearest citation. —Bagumba (talk) 09:47, 9 March 2023 (UTC)  As noted on the Kasparov Talk page, those two issues have been addressed. Regards Billsmith60 (talk) 00:08, 11 March 2023 (UTC) While "(1985 to 2000)" is now in the lead,[16] I don't see it obviously sourced in the body.  Perhaps if someone can quote the text from the WP page that supports this span?  I'm also still unclear the exact "dispute" that the hook refers to. A quote from the WP page would be helpful there too. Finally, the Britannica source  for "Professional Chess Association" (currretly footnote 67), leads to a display of "Page Not Found" from the Britannica site.—Bagumba (talk) 15:33, 12 March 2023 (UTC) Doesn't the Sun-Sentinel source I provided explain the dispute? Dallavid (talk) 21:37, 12 March 2023 (UTC) ALT1 says ...broke away from FIDE following a dispute in 1993..., but the Sun-Sentinel source talks about the dispute after they broke off and formed the PCA, not before.—Bagumba (talk) 07:49, 14 March 2023 (UTC) Here are some sources for the disputes being before the PCA was founded.[17][18][19] Dallavid (talk) 20:33, 17 March 2023 (UTC) Those sources seem to allude to the dispute from 1984 at Garry Kasparov § 1984 world championship; however, the proposed hook refers to something different—"a dispute in 1993". Also, note that WP:DYKCRIT says: The hook should include a definite fact that is mentioned in the article...Each fact in the hook must be supported in the article by at least one inline citation to a reliable source...—Bagumba (talk) 09:44, 18 March 2023 (UTC) More info of the dispute, with sources, was added to the article. Dallavid (talk) 16:39, 18 March 2023 (UTC) Please see the Kasparov Talk page for your comments having been addressed Billsmith60 (talk) 10:40, 18 March 2023 (UTC) I agree with Dallavid that the issue is sorted now – and done to death! Regards Billsmith60 (talk) 19:43, 18 March 2023 (UTC)@Dallavid: I do see that you have added sources. However, my issue is probably not so much the sources (or that it's true), but with the WP article directly supporting the hook.  WP:DYKCRIT says: The hook should include a definite fact that is mentioned in the article. Sorry if it's my ignorance of chess, but can you quote the specific text from the WP article that support the hook's:  "World Chess Champion from 1985 to 2000" "a dispute in 1993": I see "the world champion and his challenger both rejected FIDE's bid for an August match in Manchester", but that doesn't refer specifically to a dispute. A rejection is not necessarily a "dispute". Perhaps it's just the article text that needs tweaking to support the hook. Alternatively, perhaps the hook could read "broke away from FIDE in 1993 following a dispute in 1993 and established..."?Also, make sure the supporting WP text has a citation next to it in the WP article. Thanks in advance.—Bagumba (talk) 10:19, 22 March 2023 (UTC)  Hello again, please see the first paragraph for the dates. You will note that citations are not permitted in the Lead. Also, I'd support your suggested tweaking of the Hook dispute text. I am unable to assist further with this endeavour. The article being GA is enough for me. Thanks and regards Billsmith60 (talk) 10:28, 23 March 2023 (UTC) It's not so much that "citations are not permitted in the lead", but that the lead material is generally restating facts already in the body (MOS:LEADCITE).  So it's OK if the lead is not cited, but the fact would then need to be stated and cited in the body. So anyone can supply me the related article quote(s) that supports the time span stated in the hook.  Alternatively, perhaps the exact span is not the interesting part of the hook and can be pared?—Bagumba (talk) 11:33, 23 March 2023 (UTC)   === Articles created/expanded on March 2 ===   ==== The Discovery of Morniel Mathaway ====  ... that William Tenn's science fiction short story "The Discovery of Morniel Mathaway", has been used to illustrate Jacques Lacan's concept of the sinthome? Source: Žižek, page 58, and many (many) books that refer to Žižek Reviewed: Comment: No idea whether this is too many links or too fewCreated by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self-nominated at 17:20, 2 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/The Discovery of Morniel Mathaway; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  I will review this. TompaDompa (talk) 15:16, 3 March 2023 (UTC)Policy compliance:  Adequate sourcing: N - See below. Neutral: N - See below. Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: YHook eligibility:  Cited: Y Interesting: N - No.QPQ: N - Not done.Overall:  Article created on 2 March, and meets the length requirement. Earwig reveals no copyvio and I didn't spot any instances of unacceptably WP:Close paraphrasing. QPQ has not been done. I don't think the hook is interesting, since I think most readers will simply go "I don't understand what that means" and move on. Some comments on the content:  Plot summaries don't really need references (the work itself is presumed to be the source), but including them is not a problem, either. ISFDB is not a WP:Reliable source. The same script was used for productions on Future Tense in July 1976. – unsourced. Žižek's "masterpiece" work – this is the first mention of Slavoj Žižek in the article, so the full name should be included and linked. Žižek's "masterpiece" work – I don't see a good reason to include "masterpiece" here. Seems like unnecessary WP:PUFFERY. This analysis is widely used in similar works. – unsourced.Ping Maury Markowitz. TompaDompa (talk) 16:05, 3 March 2023 (UTC) @TompaDompa: The template makes it practically impossible to read in source form, so forgive me if I miss anything:  The opinion on this changes daily. Not going to do anything here. For a list of books it was published in? Really? Whatever, open to suggestions. Link added. "masterpiece" is used, in this form, in the article on the book. I'm in favour of leaving it in. Removed.Maury Markowitz (talk) 18:54, 3 March 2023 (UTC)  "Masterpiece" might be reasonable in the article on the book itself, but I don't see a good reason to include it here. On a similar note, an issue best known for its cover article by Willy Ley describing the Disneyland production of Man in Space which featured the famous reusable winged spaceship designed by Wernher von Braun for the show is WP:OFFTOPIC. TompaDompa (talk) 14:07, 4 March 2023 (UTC)   === Articles created/expanded on March 3 ===   ==== Isaac Musa ====  ... that the  Liberian Truth and Reconciliation Commission listed former Council of State vice chair Isaac Musa among deceased supposed perpetrators of human rights abuses and war crimes? Source: Edmund Hogan (13 December 2021). Liberia's First Civil War: A Narrative History. Routledge. ISBN 978-1-00-048570-7. Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Walter White (Tennessee politician)Created by Soman (talk). Self-nominated at 17:26, 3 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Isaac Musa; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  @Soman: I am far from expert in en grammar but I feel DYK and the sentence in the article too needs bit improvement in paraphrasing. Sentence in the article says ".. Isaac Musa was listed, .., as 'Dead Perpetrators' by the Liberian Truth and Reconciliation Commission (LTRC), presented by the Commission as 'perpetrators who the LTRC [determined] were responsible for various forms of human rights abuses [...] and war crimes but died before the conclusion of the LTRC.'Can sentence in the article be rephrased something like, ".. Liberian Truth and Reconciliation Commission (LTRC) declared Isaac Musa among perpetrators who  were responsible for various forms of human rights abuses [...] and war crimes but died before the conclusion of the LTRC. .." Now about DYK, Can we understand why you are using word  'supposed'  in ".. among deceased supposed perpetrators .."?  I am feeling that word bit awkwardly placed. I have not checked source. Whether commission is not sure of their war crimes? If LTRC is sure and conclusive then word 'supposed' seems unnecessary. If  LTRC is not sure then whether word 'likely' or 'most likely' will be better in place of word supposed? Your feed back will help Other users  to help you better.  I chose to comment in this DYK being participant in User:Boud/Draft:WikiProject Peace.  Bookku    (talk) 11:26, 4 March 2023 (UTC) The problem is that LTRC wasn't conclusive by any means. Effectively Isaac's name was put on a list, but it's not like he was really placed on trial on anything. So adding 'supposed' to the DYK is a safer wording. --Soman (talk) 18:14, 14 March 2023 (UTC)   ==== Garnett Wikoff ====  ... that delivering newspapers was how Garnett Wikoff became an Olympic runner? Source: Norwalk Evening Herald ("Garnett Wikoff is working his way through college by selling newspapers. He has a route and it is a large one, covering territory of nine or ten miles. This has to be traversed each morning before breakfast and school. It is to this work that Wikoff owes his successes and fame as a long-distance runner and from this work he also earns enough to pay for his education. For two years he has had the route and has carried papers in rain or shine, in heat or cold. Each morning, the young man is up at an hour when most of his school mates are asleep. Daily he began to quicken his pace. First he adopted a brisk walk, then a dog trot, and now he runs at full speed, stopping only to deliver his papers.") Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Roman Josi5x expanded by BeanieFan11 (talk). Self-nominated at 03:12, 8 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Garnett Wikoff; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.   Article was expanded at least 5x, is long enough and is neutral. It was nominated for DYK on due time. It cites sources inline. "Earwig's Copyvio Detector" reports text similarity of 40.5% in one source commenting "violation possible". However, the text portions are quotes only, therfore, no copyvio is there. The hook is well-formatted, interesting, and is cited inline. Its length is within limit. QPQ is missing. I will approve after the QPQ was provided. CeeGee 08:43, 11 March 2023 (UTC) @CeeGee: Reviewed Template:Did you know nominations/Roman Josi as a QPQ. BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:16, 19 March 2023 (UTC) Everything is fine now. Good to go. CeeGee 08:23, 19 March 2023 (UTC) @BeanieFan11 and CeeGee: I really like this article. The one problem that jumps out is the 3 references citing Ancestry.com, which raises flags from a WP:RS point of view. Personally, I think it's ok to just delete that part of the article – it's kind of weak to be citing someone's "occupation" as listed in the U.S. Census and including that as encyclopedic information. But if you really want to keep it, I would advise fixing the links so that they link directly to the relevant census records, and then only listing Ancestry.com in the "via" field – Ancestry.com is not the actual source at all; they are just re-publishing the information. (The distinction is important because the original content on Ancestry.com itself is full of speculative garbage.) Cielquiparle (talk) 15:25, 26 March 2023 (UTC)   === Articles created/expanded on March 4 ===   ==== Fred Narganes ====  ... that Fred Narganes (pictured) is said to be the first Latino wrestler to win an amateur US national championship or to compete for an American university, and among the first Latino American Olympians? Source: National Wrestling Hall of Fame and Museum Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/2021 College Football Playoff National Championship/retry5x expanded by BeanieFan11 (talk). Self-nominated at 19:01, 11 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Fred Narganes; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  Overall:  This article was newly expanded when nominated, is long enough (>4,300 chars), and shows no signs of plagiarism from online sources. It maintains a suitably neutral tone, establishing the subject's notability without getting too laudatory. The QPQ review looks good. The claims in the article are all supported by cited sources. The hook has some interesting firsts and is present in the article, supported by a cited source. Admins could consider adding the infobox image from the article, if they wanted a hook with an interesting image. The article looks ready for DYK to me. Good work! Bryan Rutherford (talk) 21:44, 28 March 2023 (UTC)  @Bryanrutherford0: Thanks for the review. I've added the image to the nomination per your suggestion. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:26, 29 March 2023 (UTC)   === Articles created/expanded on March 5 ===   ==== 2023 Presidential Address to the Federal Assembly ====  ... that in 2023, the presidential address Vladimir Putin (pictured) delivered to the Federal Assembly was simultaneously broadcast on large screens in public areas of Russia and the occupied territories of Ukraine? Source: https://archive.today/20230226114445/https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/02/22/in-photos-how-putins-address-really-was-one-to-the-entire-nation-a80308 Reviewed: Babel II (short story) Comment: i thought i might offer three different options for the picture.Created by dying (talk). Self-nominated at 22:45, 12 March 2023 (UTC).  ALT1: ... that in 2023, the presidential address Vladimir Putin (pictured) delivered to the Federal Assembly was broadcast on large screens in public areas of Russia and the occupied territories of Ukraine? Radzy0 (talk) 01:09, 22 March 2023 (UTC) This is my first full DYK review.  A second opinion would be appreciated. Two images in the article have been nominated for deletion with the comment, "not a work from the Kremlin."  One of them is included as an alternate in the DYK nomination. The hook, with elipsis and "(pictured) " removed, is 201 characters.  Maybe change "simultaneously broadcast" to "broadcast live" or (ALT1) to just "broadcast"? I'm not sure the picture adds much value to the hook.Image eligibility:  Freely licensed: N - n Used in article: Y Clear at 100px: YOverall:  The article was created on March 5, 2023 and nominated within seven days after creation. The article is 1678 bytes long, so it's long enough. Sourcing requirements are met; two article are in Russian, AGF. The article is neutral in tone, and no plagiarism issues were detected. Earwig says copyvio "Violation Unlikely 4.8%" and the listed source, on manual review, obviously does not have a violation. No dispute templates. BLP requirements satisfied. The hook is properly mentioned and cited inline, and verified by the sources. Radzy0 (talk) 01:09, 22 March 2023 (UTC)  Radzy, I have relocated the notification of review template from this page, to the nominator's talk page, where it is meant to be placed. Flibirigit (talk) 16:55, 22 March 2023 (UTC)   ==== Half a Soul, Olivia Atwater ====  ... that Olivia Atwater's debut novel Half a Soul, which follows a girl who is unable to feel and express her emotions after a faerie stole half of her soul, is set in the Regency era? Source: [20] ALT1: ... that the main character from Olivia Atwater's debut novel Half a Soul is unable to feel and express her emotions and that her condition was interpreted as a metaphor for neurodivergence? Source: [21] Reviewed:Created by Poirot09 (talk). Self-nominated at 22:37, 5 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Half a Soul; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.   I think there might need to be changes to the hook because, as currently written, it fails WP:DYKSG#C6: If the subject is a work of fiction or a fictional character, the hook must involve the real world in some way. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:02, 12 March 2023 (UTC)Is it okay now? I haven't changed it much since I think the premise of the book is the most interesting part. Poirot09 (talk) 14:14, 16 March 2023 (UTC) I've added a possible ALT that clearly refers to the real world in case the first one doesn't meet the requirement. Poirot09 (talk) 22:15, 16 March 2023 (UTC) Can we try a different angle here? I don't think this one is working out. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:47, 17 March 2023 (UTC) For both hooks? Is the issue the wording or the content? I'll see but I feel like those are the most interesting bits. Poirot09 (talk) 10:54, 17 March 2023 (UTC) There may be disagreement on this, but based on previous precedent, I really don't think the new ALT solves the earlier concern about it not being related to the real world. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:18, 17 March 2023 (UTC)I have an idea with ALT1. Is this interpretation thing within the book, or was it from a review? It's not very clear in ALT1, but if it's the latter, I think the hook could be rewritten to be able to meet the guideline. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:17, 20 March 2023 (UTC)@User:Narutolovehinata5 Sorry for the late reply, yes the fact is from a review, should it be explicitly attributed to the reviewer? Poirot09 (talk) 15:31, 24 March 2023 (UTC) Yes. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 17:54, 24 March 2023 (UTC)   ==== Bating (leather) ====  ... that either dog feces, or hen and pigeon manure, were used by tanners to produce a soft leather? Source: Wood, Joseph Turney (1912). The Puering, Bating, and Drenching of Skins. London: Spon. OCLC 9336160, p. 1 Reviewed: Comment: This is a newly created article, made on 5 March 2023Created by Davidbena (talk). Self-nominated at 14:14, 5 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Bating (leather); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  Comment Why spell it "fæces"? What I can find online all says that that's an archaic spelling. Cheers! Freedom4U (talk) 07:44, 7 March 2023 (UTC)@Freedom4U:, yes, it is an old way of spelling, but it is also the typical British way of spelling the word, as you can see here. British spellings are permitted on Wikipedia. Furthermore, this spelling was also selected for aesthetic reasons. Some of the sources used in the article actually spell it this way, and these sources date only to the 20th century. Besides, often we still find these archaic spellings used in Modern English, such as in Encyclopaedia Britannica. There are other examples, besides these. Davidbena (talk) 21:32, 28 March 2023 (UTC)Hook eligibility:  Cited: N - n Interesting: YOverall:  Interesting and original topic, will catch attention, hook citation needs proper location (citation attached to the prime sentence / maybe the cite two sentences on will do but this needs work by someone with access to the sources...) While the material does not raise plagiarism red flags, there is one rather long direct quote - it's properly cited, but still a significant percentage of the total; no other major issues. QPQ not required, as seems to be just second DYK. Will await article tweaks. SeoR (talk) 02:52, 17 March 2023 (UTC)   === Articles created/expanded on March 6 ===   ==== Nick Acocella ====  ... that New Jersey politics expert Nick Acocella hosted Pasta & Politics, a television show where he would make pasta with various politicians including Thomas Kean, Cory Booker, and Chris Christie? Source: “ He hosted a TV show in which he spoke with local political titans like Tom Kean and Chris Christie while cooking pasta.In 2015, he started hosting his own TV show, “Pasta & Politics,” on NJTV. He welcomed guests like U.S. Sen. Cory Booker and state Senate President Stephen Sweeney to make Italian food and chat about their trade.“I love politics. I love pasta. The combination was inevitable,” Acocella said of the idea.” NJ.com Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/2021 NCAA Division I women's basketball championship gameCreated by Thriley (talk). Self-nominated at 23:38, 17 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Nick Acocella; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.   @Thriley: New enough and barely long enough at 1540 characters, but it reads shorter than it is because of all the choppy sentences. The TV show is legitimately interesting as a hook and checks out. Have you tried using Newspapers.com? It's now in the WP:TWL bundle for qualified editors. It has good paper density in New Jersey, and I'm finding articles like the one I've cited here. I also clipped the newspapers.com version of a paywalled North Jersey Media Group article. I'd just like to see the article be less choppy and a bit richer before approving. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 19:49, 23 March 2023 (UTC)Thank you very much for your review! I’ll flesh it out with some newspapers.com newstories. Best, Thriley (talk) 05:27, 27 March 2023 (UTC)   ==== Geneva Declaration (1918) ====  ... that the Geneva Declaration was the agreement on a provisional government during the creation of Yugoslavia? Source: Janković, Dragoslav (1964). "Ženevska konferencija o stvaranju jugoslovenske zajednice 1918. godine" [Geneva Conference on Creation of the Yugoslav Community in 1918]. Istorija XX veka [History of the 20th Century] (in Serbian). Vol. V. Belgrade: Institute of Legal History of the University of Belgrade Faculty of Law. pp. 225–262. OCLC 67000822. Pages 242-244 and 249 amongst other sources ALT1: ... that Nikola Pašić was did not want to compromise on the Geneva Declaration despite insistence and threats until a letter was received detailing Raymond Poincaré wishes to come to an agreement? Source: Janković, Dragoslav (1964). "Ženevska konferencija o stvaranju jugoslovenske zajednice 1918. godine" [Geneva Conference on Creation of the Yugoslav Community in 1918]. Istorija XX veka [History of the 20th Century] (in Serbian). Vol. V. Belgrade: Institute of Legal History of the University of Belgrade Faculty of Law. pp. 225–262. OCLC 67000822. Pages 246-247 Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/New Jersey's 1927 biannual elections proposal Comment: Unsure if I worded these correctly or got some incorrect.Improved to Good Article status by Tomobe03 (talk). Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk) at 21:25, 9 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Geneva Declaration (1918); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.   Recent good article, certainly long enough. Nothing overtly non-neutral. QPQ done. Most of the sources are non-English or inaccessible, but I can access Jelavich & Jelavich 2000, and the sentence "this prompted Pašić to instruct Serbian ambassador to the United States to investigate if Serbia could at least receive Bosnia and Herzegovina" is quite a close paraphrase. A check on Pavlowitch 2003, pp. 29–35 produced no problems however. Regarding the hooks, I think new ones are needed. The current two lack context establishing what the declaration was meant to be and its surrounding context. There's some very interesting stuff here, for me especially the weird 'dual-monarchy' concept where one monarch was the national council. (I'm not sure how closely that is inspired by the Austro-Hungarian system exactly, but I'm happy to give the sources the benefit of the doubt there.) CMD (talk) 14:11, 24 March 2023 (UTC)Reworded the sentence you pointed out just to be on the safe side.Tomobe03 (talk) 17:24, 24 March 2023 (UTC)   ==== Davolls General Store ====  ... that Davolls General Store (pictured), operating since 1793, is the oldest continually operating general store in Massachusetts? Source: https://www.onlyinyourstate.com/massachusetts/oldest-store-ma/ ALT1: ... that Davolls General Store (pictured), operating since 1793, is one of the oldest continually operating stores in the United States? Source: https://turnto10.com/news/local/a-look-inside-one-of-americas-oldest-general-stores-reopens-in-dartmouth https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/08/22/business/general-store-all-about-details/ Reviewed:Created by AdmiralAckbar1977 (talk). Self-nominated at 22:53, 6 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Davolls General Store; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.   The page is well written, is correctly sourced and has no neutrality or copyvio issues. The hook is supported by the source provided. Toadboy123 (talk) 09:01, 13 March 2023 (UTC)@AdmiralAckbar1977 and Toadboy123: A few thoughts. The article suffers badly from WP:OVERCITE. We should aloo try to avoid citations in the lead per MOS:LEADCITE. The lead is three sentences but it has eleven citations. the claims of oldest are cited to local sources. I did have a look at the Boston Globe article and they make no such claims about "oldest". A hook will work with the years in operation which I believe is 230, or the year of establishment 1793. I think we might consider a new hook because the "oldest" is cited to Edible Southeastern Massachusetts and Only in Your State. Bruxton (talk) 14:41, 13 March 2023 (UTC) Hi @Bruxton:, would you be more comfortable with something like "Did you know Davolls General Store has been in continuous operation  since 1793? Or, instead of since 1793, for the last 230 years? AdmiralAckbar1977 (talk) 15:45, 13 March 2023 (UTC) @AdmiralAckbar1977, I would suggest that you go for this hook, as it clarifies the point made by @Bruxton. Toadboy123 (talk) 01:20, 14 March 2023 (UTC)ALT2:... that Davolls General Store (pictured) has been in continuous operation  since 1793?Here is the ALT you have proposed, I have only formatted. It is accurate and supported and I hope others think it is interesting. Bruxton (talk) 01:26, 14 March 2023 (UTC) @AdmiralAckbar1977, Toadboy123,  and Bruxton: I have demoted this hook from Prep, because a section of this article has now been tagged for using a list where it should use prose. I could be convinced that the "Ownership" section should remain as is, as long as a bit more prose is incorporated in the "History" section. At the moment, the History section is very dense, and there is room to expand it in a more reader-friendly way that is easier to follow. (Quite frankly I'm a bit surprised that this article was already submitted for GA as is; it actually doesn't feel "complete" yet.) BTW, you may want to check out what WP:MOS says about hyphens vs. dashes; I see some hyphens used inappropriately. Cielquiparle (talk) 08:48, 17 March 2023 (UTC)  Issue with tag inside of article still needs to be resolved. Cielquiparle (talk) 11:06, 26 March 2023 (UTC)   === Articles created/expanded on March 7 ===   ==== Caity Baser ====  ... that a trip to a London studio caused Caity Baser to cry her way through her second shift at The Co-op and leave on her third? Source: https://www.nme.com/features/music-interviews/caity-baser-interview-tiktok-average-student-radar-3331018 Reviewed: Comment: I plan on further expanding this, but have had enough for now. QPQ forthcoming.Created by Launchballer (talk) and 03md (talk). Nominated by Launchballer (talk) at 13:29, 7 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Caity Baser; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.   Hi Launchballer (talk), review follows: article created 2 March and exceeds minimum length; article is cited inline throughout to what look to be reliable sources for the content cited; I didn't spot any overly close paraphrasing in checking the sources; hook fact is interesting enough for me, mentioned in the article and checks out to source cited; just awaiting a QPQ, I think - Dumelow (talk) 14:27, 9 March 2023 (UTC)Template:Did you know nominations/Thierry Coquand.--Launchballer 16:09, 27 March 2023 (UTC)   ==== Kemah Bob ====  ... that the American comedian Kemah Bob maintains a drag king persona, Lil' Test Ease? Source: https://www.itv.com/watch/celebrity-karaoke-club/10a0492/10a0492a0016 Reviewed: Comment: QPQ forthcoming. Genuinely unsure who else deserves credit on this.Moved to mainspace by Launchballer (talk). Self-nominated at 12:10, 7 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Kemah Bob; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  Hook eligibility:  Cited: Y Interesting: N - n (needs some work)Overall:  (plagiarism free except of the quote of course! + the check just gives you how many the person did and not how they did vs. How many they nominated!) I enjoyed reading this article. Overall, Well sourced (did not verify all references but checked up to the hook) although an image for the persona would have added more perspective. Nevertheless, Good work! Let's brainstorm some hooks .. I will come back with some hook suggestions as the current one needs some work especially around the word “maintains” FuzzyMagma (talk) 17:18, 8 March 2023 (UTC)  @Launchballer: here some hooks .. ALT1: ... that Kemah Bob maintains a bipolar disorder and a drag king persona? ALT2: ... that the American comedian Kemah Bob performs a drag king persona, Lil' Test Ease? ALT3: ... that men's rights activist Lil' Test Ease is actually a woman? FuzzyMagma (talk) 19:42, 8 March 2023 (UTC)   ==== Babel II (short story) ====  ... that Damon Knight invented a language for his story "Babel II", where the protagonist accidentally triggers a second Tower of Babel event? Source: page 104 of the original story and the entry in Conley and Cain Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Brennley BrownCreated by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self-nominated at 00:32, 7 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Babel II (short story); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  Maury Markowitz: general: article is new enough and long enough. policy: article is neutral.  everything is sourced except for the plot summary, which does not require citations as per mos:plotsource.  earwig shows nothing of concern. qpq: not yet provided. hook: i don't have access to the conley and cain source, but the story itself describes a simple substitution cipher, which i wouldn't call an invented language.  (the story "partially describes" the language when the protagonist lists which letters he had worked out.)  if, for example, i decided to substitute all my a's with e's and vice versa, i don't think i cen cleim to ba writing in e diffarant lenguega.  i think it is also a bit unusual to state that knight invented the language.  although he may have been the first to use that specific substitution cipher, i believe the general concept has existed for thousands of years. i think adding "event" to the end of the hook, to conform with the description in the plot summary, would prevent the hook from suggesting that another tower of babel was built in the story.  i wouldn't consider this modification necessary though; it's just a suggestion. points outside of the dyk criteria: do reliable sources state that the traveller was from a different dimension?  this did not seem clear to me from the story. the plot summary is worded to suggest that after the protagonist realizes that this is a repeat of the tower of babel event, he heads first to mexico to meet up with the traveller.  however, the story has the protagonist head first to greenwich village.  was this part of the story deliberately skipped?  if so, i think the phrase "his next stop is in Mexico" could be reworded, for example, by replacing it with "the traveller would be heading to Mexico", to accurately reflect the story without needing to go into details regarding the trip to greenwich village. i don't think the protagonist caught the traveller "entering another building".  the traveller exited the world the same way he entered: via the protagonist's drawing table. awaiting qpq.  issue with hook.  dying (talk) 16:52, 11 March 2023 (UTC)  Maury Markowitz, it's been two weeks since this was noted as awaiting QPQ. Given that a week is how long you have to supply one after it's been noted as missing, this could technically close at any time. Please supply your QPQ right away. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:38, 25 March 2023 (UTC)@BlueMoonset: Sorry guys, I'm not getting any in-wiki notifications - I got an email for your ping BM, but not the one from dying. C'est la vie. QPQ: Brennley Brown. Dying, added "event", works for me. As to the "invent", I'm not sure what to say - this is what they called it. I understand what you're saying, but it's about V in the end. Having been to this rodeo many times, would you pass the hook if it said "used a substitution cypher" and had no c&c ref? Maury Markowitz (talk) 19:13, 25 March 2023 (UTC) Maury Markowitz, no worries about not getting my ping; it seems like some pings never reach me as well.i understand that "the threshold for inclusion is verifiability, not truth", but i don't believe verifiability necessitates inclusion, and personally, i have refrained from including verifiable statements when i believe that they are not true.  the "used a substitution cypher" proposal seems agreeable, though i am worried if it is in danger of violating c6 of the supplementary guidelines, which requires the hook to "involve the real world in some way".  technically, the hook satisfies that guideline, so i would approve the hook, but since i haven't been to as many rodeos as you have, i'd also flag it so that a more experienced promoter can review it to make sure that it is okay.similarly, if you mention the cipher in the plot summary, i'd be fine with the article not strictly adhering to rule 3b (which requires the hook to be cited) due to the exception afforded by d2 (presumably based on mos:plotsource), but i'd still recommend that you at least add appropriate citations to the parts of the summary relevant to the hook, as recently, people have been more strict on wt:dyk about citations being at the end of the relevant sentences in the article.more pressing, though, is the fact that the article has been unilaterally converted into a redirect.  i don't have access to the offline sources, so had assumed that, with your experience, you would know if the short story passes gng.  should the conversion be reverted?  dying (talk) 18:39, 27 March 2023 (UTC)@Dying: Oh, isn't that nice? Delete someone's work without following any established guidelines like PROD or AfD. I wasn't aware this had even happened. I thought maybe this was just another missing ping, but nope, the editor in question didn't bother to inform anyone, they just went ahead and deleted it. I give up. Nom withdrawn. Maury Markowitz (talk) 23:55, 27 March 2023 (UTC)  Maury Markowitz, i am sorry to hear that.  if it helps, i enjoyed reading the story, so am glad that you had created the article.  by the way, this discussion [perm] might offer some insight regarding current practices at npp. withdrawn by nominator.  dying (talk) 17:41, 28 March 2023 (UTC)   === Articles created/expanded on March 8 ===   ==== N. Porsenna ====  ... that N. Porsenna, who translated The Ballad of Reading Gaol into Romanian, spent seven years in communist prisons? Source: Rhea Cristina, Închisorile politice. Zoe Porsenna, avocat, intervievată la București in 2001, at Memoria Digital Library; Călin Stănculescu, "Nicu Porsenna, o victimă a temnițelor comuniste", in România Liberă, August 12, 2005 (the first of these provides the exact full dates, showing that it was 7 full years and 2 months) ALT1: ... that the "notorious anti-Semitic publicist" N. Porsenna was also a noted figure in Romanian parapsychology? Source: The qualifier in Victor Rizescu, "Social Policy and the Corporatist Design: A Romanian Experience of Reluctant Intermingling", in Sfera Politicii, Issue 2 (188), 2016, pp. 28–29; his activity as a parapsychology is reviewed, with some accolades, in Victor Săhleanu, "Telepatie, clarviziune, telekinezie...", in Flacăra, Vol. XX, Issue 820, February 1971, p. 15. Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Sibil PektorosoğluCreated by Dahn (talk). Self-nominated at 12:02, 16 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/N. Porsenna; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.   ==== Censorship under the military dictatorship in Brazil ====  ... that newspapers in Brazil printed cake recipes and 16th-century poetry to cover material censored by the military dictatorship? Source: http://www.memorialdademocracia.com.br/card/noticia-censurada-da-lugar-a-camoes ALT1: ... that the military dictatorship in Brazil censored so much material from 1969 to 1975 that O Estado de S. Paulo published the 8,116 verses of Os Lusíadas twice over? Source: http://www.memorialdademocracia.com.br/card/noticia-censurada-da-lugar-a-camoes Reviewed: Comment: This is my first DYK nomination. I hope I've done everything correctly.Created by إيان (talk). Self-nominated at 19:42, 10 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Censorship under the military dictatorship in Brazil; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page. Shall we link O Estado de S. Paulo? Just a suggestion. Maybe mentioning the kilogram of salt would be good too. Bremps! 05:03, 12 March 2023 (UTC)  Bremps, sure—whatever people think is best. I just found the kg of salt detail in the Vice source and wasn't able to cross-check it though. إيان (talk) 01:38, 13 March 2023 (UTC)I haven't done a full review, but I've spotted a couple of things that concern me.  First the lede quotes a source for the phrase "moral e bons costumes".  I don't see that phrase in the source.  I see "moral e aos costumes".  I can't read the original Portuguese, and I suspect the meaning is essentially the same, but still, a quote should be exactly what the source says.  Next, the article says Caetano Veloso and Gilberto Gil were arrested December 17, 1968, but both cited sources gives December 27th for the date.  I assume that's just a typo, but more importantly we say under the false accusation of having performed a parody the Brazilian National Anthem.  The El Pais source certainly says that, but we really can't make such a statement in wiki voice; it should be attributed to El Pais.  This leads me to believe that we've got WP:NPOV issues with this article.  Given that most of the sources are in Portuguese, I'd like to see a review done by somebody who can read the sources in the original language.  -- RoySmith (talk) 23:57, 25 March 2023 (UTC)RoySmith, thank you for your attentive reflection on the article. For "moral e bons costumes," a formulation with prepositions "à" and "aos"—"à moral e aos bons costumes" ('to morality and to good manners')—appears three times in the piece of legislation. "December 17" is indeed a mistake—thank you for bringing it to attention. The wording around the claim of false accusation can be revisited, but it is widely reported and hardly from El Pais alone. A few other sources: The Guardian, Folha,  and the New Yorker. إيان (talk) 00:53, 26 March 2023 (UTC)   ==== Sassoun Massacre ====  ... that the Sassoun Massacre was one of the first acts of systematic mass violence against Armenians, in 1894? Source: Mehmet Polatel. The Complete Ruin of a District: The Sasun Massacre of 1894. p. 179. Reviewed:Created by Nocturnal781 (talk). Self-nominated at 22:42, 8 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Sassoun Massacre; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  Created by Nocturnal781 (talk). Self-nominated at  22:42, 8 March 2023‎. General eligibility: New Enough: Y Long Enough: Y Other problems: YPolicy compliance:  Adequate sourcing: Y Neutral: Y Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Y Other problems: YHook eligibility:  Cited: Y Interesting: Y Other problems: YOverall:  Graearms (talk) 20:49, 10 March 2023 (UTC)   The hook fact is cited to three sources in the article, and all of them qualify the claim in various ways.Polatel 2016: The Sasun Massacre of 1894 was the first case of organized mass violence against Armenians in the late Ottoman period that brought about the complete ruin of a region and its inhabitants.Dadrian 1995: The Sassoun massacre was the first instance of organized mass murder of Armenians in modern Ottoman history that was carried out in peace time and had no connection with any foreign war. Martirosyan 2022: The Sasun massacre of 1894 was the first in a series of incidents of mass violence against Armenians in the Ottoman Empire. This means it was the first in a particular series of incidents which the author goes on to discuss; not that it was the first ever.Since the sources do not verify the claim, I'm going to remove this sentence from the article; a new hook will be needed. Sojourner in the earth (talk) 19:37, 17 March 2023 (UTC) They are all saying the same thing? Nocturnal781 (talk) 21:49, 17 March 2023 (UTC) I'm not sure how best to explain this; tell me if I'm not being clear. You have to look at each statement as a whole, and compare it with the claim in the hook. So the hook says "one of the first acts of systematic mass violence against Armenians", which implies one of the first ever, one of the first in history. This may be true, I don't know, but the sources don't support that claim.Looking at Dadrian 1995, for example, it does not simply say that the Sassoun Massacre was the first instance of organized mass murder of Armenians; it does not even say it was the first in modern Ottoman history; it says it was the first in modern Ottoman history that was carried out in peace time and had no connection with any foreign war. That adds a lot of conditions to the claim. Polatel 2016 adds some different conditions; it says the massacre was the first in modern Ottoman history to bring about the complete ruin of a region and its inhabitants. Neither of these sources are saying that the massacre was the first act of systematic mass violence against Armenians in history (and the third, as I've said, is talking about something different).Now, the hook could be amended into a more qualified claim, but I suspect this would fail the "interestingness" criteria, so I suggest finding a different hook altogether. Also pinging Graearms since I forgot to before. Sojourner in the earth (talk) 08:36, 18 March 2023 (UTC)  Just discovered the article has serious problems with close paraphrasing. The "Armenian genocide" section is copied from Martirosyan 2020, "Armenian Demographics of Sassoun in the Late Ottoman Period", pp. 83–84 (accessible through the Wikipedia Library). "International reaction" is copied from Miller, Sasun 1894: Mountains, Missionaries and Massacres at the End of the Ottoman Empire, pp. 23–24. These sections comprise about 50% of the article; I haven't checked the rest. Sojourner in the earth (talk) 09:09, 18 March 2023 (UTC)   === Articles created/expanded on March 9 ===   ==== Passions (Homilius) ====  ... that the St Matthew Passion, composed by G. A. Homilius (pictured) in two parts of 50 movements, was first recorded in 1993 1992, and performed in 2023, although it is not yet published? Source: several Reviewed: to come Comment: The article is about four Passions, and more details will follow I hope. For Good Friday, 7 April, please. Help wanted for perhaps include that both recording and performance were with the same bass soloist which made the performance possible. --Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 12:23, 16 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Passions (Homilius); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  Hook eligibility:  Cited: N - The source about the first recording mentions that it took place in 1992, not 1993, and also mentions that the work isn't signed. Credit was given based on stylistic grounds. I guess it should be mentioned in the article. Interesting: YOverall:  QPQ needs to be performed before if gets promoted. The other issues are fixable. C messier (talk) 18:28, 27 March 2023 (UTC)  Thank you for reviewing. I reviewed now Template:Did you know nominations/Sally Buchanan. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:36, 27 March 2023 (UTC) I fixes the year, - thank you for correcting. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:11, 27 March 2023 (UTC) @Gerda Arendt: I'm also not sure about copyediting; the main article image needs a caution, the category is wrong (it is about a TV show), probably the title should be in italics, like Passions (Homilius). C messier (talk) 16:53, 28 March 2023 (UTC) I fixed the category. Do you know how to add a caption without getting a frame? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:56, 28 March 2023 (UTC) See {{Plain image with caption}}. C messier (talk) 11:53, 29 March 2023 (UTC)   === Articles created/expanded on March 10 ===   === Articles created/expanded on March 11 ===   ==== Drew Van Horn, Georgia Nonpublic Postsecondary Education Commission ====  ... that Drew Van Horn, president of Young Harris College, was appointed to the Georgia Nonpublic Postsecondary Education Commission last year? Source: https://sky963.com/yhc-president-appointed-as-georgia-nonpublic-postsecondary-education-commissioner/ "Young Harris College (YHC) President Dr. Drew Van Horn was recently appointed by Governor Brian Kemp to the Board of Commissioners for the Georgia Nonpublic Postsecondary Education Commission." Reviewed: Frank LeMasterCreated by Mgreason (talk). Self-nominated at 16:46, 11 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Drew Van Horn; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.   The article on the Georgia Nonpublic Postsecondary Education Commission has 12 citations, 10 of which are primary sources from the GNPEC itself. Asserting the notability of the organization would be improved by adding independent sources. Flibirigit (talk) 01:48, 28 March 2023 (UTC)I am concerned that the Georgia Nonpublic Postsecondary Education Commission might not be notable for its own article, but rather than nominating for deletion, I hope the nominator can improve the article. Flibirigit (talk) 15:45, 28 March 2023 (UTC)I have found and incorporated four additional sources into the article. Do you consider that sufficient? There are numerous other sources naming GNPEC but they really contribute nothing to the topic. Mgrē@sŏn (Talk) It looks improved. A full review is still needed for both articles. Flibirigit (talk) 21:41, 28 March 2023 (UTC)   === Articles created/expanded on March 12 ===   ==== Amy Harvey ====  ... that before joining the girl group XG, Japanese singer Amy Harvey won the most magazine awards when she participated in Tokyo Girls Audition? Source: https://mdpr.jp/interview/detail/1612547 Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Li Fu LeeCreated by Lullabying (talk). Self-nominated at 22:12, 19 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Amy Harvey; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.   ==== Soviet submarine K-222 ====  ... that Soviet submarine K-222 was the first submarine built with a titanium hull? Source: Polmar, Norman & Moore, Kenneth J. (2004). Cold War Submarines: The Design and Construction of U.S. and Soviet Submarines. Washington, D. C.: Potomac Books. ISBN 978-1-57488-594-1. Page 139 ALT1: ... that Soviet submarine K-222 was the fastest submarine ever built? Source: same as above Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Getting Older Comment: Some problems. 1. alt1 kind of has an unsureness is completely correct. A google search shows me that it's the fastest but also not but also is. Personally I think alt1 is correct but It's weird. Though the main problem is that none of these hooks are in the main article but rather in the lead. If nobody puts them in the article then I'll have to add it myself.Improved to Good Article status by Sturmvogel 66 (talk). Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk) at 01:57, 18 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Soviet submarine K-222; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.   Hi Onegreatjoke, review follows: recently promoted to GA, well cited, written, free from copyvio. I'm not seeing ALT0 in the source (or explicitly stated in the article body). Could you quote where the source says that and add a mention in the main article. What do you mean about AL1 saying that " it's the fastest but also not but also is"? Otherwise, a qpq has been conducted and this seems to meet the rest of the DYKCRIT. Eddie891  Talk Work  19:21, 26 March 2023 (UTC)   === Articles created/expanded on March 13 ===   ==== Otto Schwarz (bandleader) ====  ... that "greatly respected" travelling bandleader Otto Schwarz (pictured) and his Bavarian String Band were interned in Douglas, Isle of Man, during World War I? Source: Malcolm G. Neesam (2022) Wells & Swells, the golden age of Harrogate Spa, 1842–1923, Carnegie Publishing, Lancaster, England, pages 1024–1025. (Paraphrase: Schwarz continued to perform in Harrogate up to 4 August 1914 when the First World War was announced. On 5 August, Schwarz and his band walked to Harrogate Police station with luggage and instruments, and queued, as per government requirement, to be interned as enemy aliens. They were imprisoned, then transported to Douglas in the Isle of Man)... ALT1: that respected travelling bandleader Otto Schwarz (pictured) and his Bavarian String Band were interned in Douglas, Isle of Man, during World War I? Storye book (talk) 21:12, 25 March 2023 (UTC)  Reviewed: LithophaneCreated by Storye book (talk). Self-nominated at 17:39, 15 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Otto Schwarz (bandleader); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.   Article is new enough (page history dates back to February but it was moved from user to article space on 13 March) and long enough. Sourced and neutral. Earwig detected no issue, but I am a bit concerned about the rather large quote at the end, which seems to be word-for-word an entire newspaper article; have you considered shortening it? Hook is verified in the text, save for the "greatly respected" quote, which I was going to recommend removing anyway. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 19:15, 25 March 2023 (UTC)Re "greatly respected" in ALT0, the point of that was to show the difference in attitude between the band's audience and the authorities, before and after the start of World War I. Before the war started, the band was popular and respected. After it started, the band was imprisoned for being German. This is what happens in wars, and no-one is to blame, but I put the quote there just to show that attitudes had changed. Therefore I have given you ALT1, without quotes, but still with the word, respected, to retain that contrast. If we leave out "respected", then the hook will look as if the band was imprisoned for a specific war crime. The long quote at the end is fulfilling a function in the article, and we need all of it. It is a voice from the past, showing the attitude of the time. Today we may make random assumptions about what happened to Germans in England at the start of World War I, and that quote takes us, as on a time machine, directly to that time and place. It shows us the attitude of the British people to the band, and the meek and honourable behaviour of the German band itself. We cannot interpret historical text in articles, but we can present it for the reader to interpret in their own way. We cannot shorten it, because if we do, it will not work in the same way. The journalist has gone to a lot of trouble to put his point across clearly, and you can tell that they feel strongly about the matter. The quotation is dated 1914, so there is no copyvio issue. Storye book (talk) 21:12, 25 March 2023 (UTC)   ==== Linguistic Atlas of the Iberian Peninsula ====  ... that fieldwork for the Linguistic Atlas of the Iberian Peninsula was interrupted by the Spanish Civil War? Source: "...at which point the civil war interrupted them and the project director had to leave in exile" http://www.alpi.csic.es/en/alpi/los-trabajos-del-atlas" when the fieldwork was interrupted by the military uprising against the Republican government which was to become the Spanish Civil War." https://twpl.library.utoronto.ca/index.php/twpl/article/view/6165 Reviewed: Comment: Could I also submit another fact about a linguist/fieldworker for the ALPI who was accused of espionage and almost executed?Moved to mainspace by Erinius (talk). Self-nominated at 17:49, 14 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Linguistic Atlas of the Iberian Peninsula; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  ALT1: ... that the linguist Aníbal Otero was imprisoned for espionage while working on fieldwork for the Linguistic Atlas of the Iberian Peninsula? Source: "On the strength of ‘evidence’ that he was a spy — his avowed sympathy for the Republican cause, the fact that  his  ALPI  fieldwork  was  funded  by  the  Republican  government  in  Madrid,  and  especially  those  suspicious  notebooks  he  had  with  him,  which  were  apparently  full  of  incomprehensible  writing  in  ‘code’ — a  summary  military  tribunal  convicted  Otero  of  high treason and sentenced him to death by firing squad... his death sentence was commuted to life imprisonment. He was eventually pardoned and released in 1941 (two years after the end of the Civil War), having spent more than five years in prison for the crime of linguistic fieldwork and Republican sympathies " https://twpl.library.utoronto.ca/index.php/twpl/article/view/6165   === Articles created/expanded on March 14 ===   ==== The Longevity Diet ====  ... that The Longevity Diet is a 2018 book by Italian biogerontologist Valter Longo which suggests that lifespan and healthspan may be increased through fasting and diet? Source: ...restricting calories to between 800 and 1,100 per day. When you eat this way, your body gets tricked into believing it’s fasting, Longo says. This is also called a fasting-mimicking diet.  and The Longevity Diet proposes that the answer to not only a longer lifespan but also a longer “healthspan” comes down primarily to what, how much, how often and when we eat. ALT1: ... that The Longevity Diet is a 2018 book which advocates a "fast-mimicking diet" to increase lifespan and healthspan? Source: ...restricting calories to between 800 and 1,100 per day. When you eat this way, your body gets tricked into believing it’s fasting, Longo says. This is also called a fasting-mimicking diet. and The Longevity Diet proposes that the answer to not only a longer lifespan but also a longer “healthspan” comes down primarily to what, how much, how often and when we eat. Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/2022 Joe Biden speech in WarsawCreated by Bruxton (talk). Self-nominated at 18:06, 21 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/The Longevity Diet; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.   ==== Sarah Maria Griffin ====  ... that a fantasy novel by Irish poet and author, Sarah Maria Griffin, was sent to around 200,000 ticket-holders of the Tomorrowland music festival? Source: The Irish Times at www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/tomorrowland-i-can-t-believe-my-life-1.3960349 - "around 200,000 of them have been dispatched to attendees of the festival. / It's Griffin's fourth book." ALT1: ... that a fantasy by Irish author, Sarah Maria Griffin, sent to around 200,000 Tomorrowland attendees, had a case with a secret compartment? Source: The Irish Times at www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/tomorrowland-i-can-t-believe-my-life-1.3960349 - "around 200,000 of them have been dispatched to attendees of the festival. / It's Griffin's fourth book." & "the finished book, a beautifully bound and designed artefact that comes in a specially created case with several props, a secret compartment and an electronic wristband" Reviewed: Comment: Major expansion (finished at c. 6x) begun 2100 14 March. Unusual block sale of novel by multi-area artist (novelist, essayist, poet, spoken word artist, zinester), may generate more hooks, and still checking re. picture. DYK to follow within 24h.Created by SeoR (talk). Self-nominated at 16:26, 21 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Sarah Maria Griffin; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.   ==== Stanley Browne ====  ... that after bailing out of his aircraft over France, Stanley Browne was able to evade any German soldiers searching for him with the help of local villagers? Source: Lambert, Max (2011). Day After Day: New Zealanders in Fighter Command. Auckland: HarperCollins Publishers. ISBN 978-1-86950-844-9. Page 294-296 , Wells, Kevin W. (1984). An Illustrated History of the New Zealand Spitfire Squadron. Auckland, New Zealand: Hutchinson Group. ISBN 0-09-159360-3. Page 78-80 ALT1: ... that Stanley Browne was one of the first pilots to land on Sicily during World War II? Source: Shores, Christopher; Williams, Clive (1994). Aces High: A Tribute to the Most Notable Fighter Pilots of the British and Commonwealth Forces in WWII. London: Grub Street. ISBN 1-8-9869-7000. Page 153 , Rawlings, John (1976). Fighter Squadrons of the RAF and their Aircraft. London: MacDonald & James. ISBN 0-354-01028-X. Page 225 , Cull, Brian; Malizia, Nicola; Galea, Frederick (2000). Spitfires Over Sicily: The Crucial Role of the Malta Spitfires in the Battle of Sicily, January–August 1943. London: Grub Street. ISBN 1-902304-32-2. Page 136 Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Hyatt Grand Central New YorkImproved to Good Article status by Zawed (talk). Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk) at 21:26, 18 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Stanley Browne; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  FWIW, I prefer ALT1 but with a suggestion for a slight tweak for context (on a literal reading of ALT1, it is incorrect since Italian/German pilots would have been landing there all the time as Sicily was a base for operations against Malta):  ... that Stanley Browne was one of the first Allied pilots to land on Sicily following its invasion by the Allies during World War II? Zawed (talk) 01:29, 19 March 2023 (UTC)   ==== Life Is but a Dream... ====  ... that Avenged Sevenfold teased their eighth studio album Life Is but a Dream... through an online scavenger hunt that began with their social media accounts being hacked? Source: Kerrang - "A7X kicked off their cryptic online scavenger hunt last month by apparently getting 'hacked', with a fake announcement that a couple of their massive upcoming festival appearances had been cancelled. This naughty hacker was discovered to be Libad5343, with a website of the same name the launching and feeding fans all sorts of breadcrumbs"; Blabbermouth - "Prior to the track's release, the band launched an elaborate and mysterious digital scavenger hunt with puzzles, ciphers, images, and blog posts all written by Chat GPT, DALL-E 2, and AI voice modifiers. What was initiated as a cryptic hacker campaign on socials, eventually lead fans to a web site full of challenges to complete over the past two weeks that ultimately lead to the single being 'unlocked' for release today." Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Killer toyCreated by Aria1561 (talk). Self-nominated at 05:44, 19 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Life Is but a Dream...; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  Overall:  No problems here. The hook is cited and interesting, and the article is new, long enough, and within policy. Lazman321 (talk) 04:59, 23 March 2023 (UTC)   Hook and article seem very promotional. It's a hook about a marketing campaign, a teaser for a product that hasn't been released yet. Not sure if it's main page material at this point in time, per WP:PROMOTIONAL and WP:TOOSOON. Cielquiparle (talk) 15:15, 26 March 2023 (UTC) @Cielquiparle: The marketing campaign is now concluded, people cannot partake in it anymore even if they wanted to. It was to promote the announcement of the album and its lead single, not the release of the album coming in June. I can remove the term "upcoming" to make it seem less promotional, though as it stands both the hook and article are not really "promotional", they're just restating events that have been reported on by secondary sources. There is also nothing WP:TOOSOON about it so that point can be discarded as irrelevant; I have submitted many successful DYK nominations, with no rejections, for albums that were not released yet at the time of the nom. Aria1561 (talk) 18:39, 26 March 2023 (UTC)   === Articles created/expanded on March 15 ===   ==== I'm Casting My Lasso Towards the Sky ====  ... that it was Slim Whitman's wife who suggested the song "I'm Casting My Lasso Towards the Sky" for his first recording session at RCA? Source: [22] Reviewed:Created by Moscow Connection (talk). Self-nominated at 23:42, 22 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/I'm Casting My Lasso Towards the Sky; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.   ==== Eldridge Milton ====  ... that when young, future NFL player Eldridge Milton liked playing with alligators? Source: Clemson linebacker Eldridge Milton owes his success to the alligators Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/pendingCreated by BeanieFan11 (talk). Self-nominated at 00:28, 19 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Eldridge Milton; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  QPQ: N - Not doneOverall:  @BeanieFan11: Good article. Waiting on a QPQ. Onegreatjoke (talk) 14:06, 20 March 2023 (UTC)  I think the article might currently fail WP:DYKSG#D7 as there's no information about his post-NFL life. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:22, 20 March 2023 (UTC) @Narutolovehinata5: If I had been able to find any post-NFL coverage I would have written about it. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:23, 20 March 2023 (UTC)   ==== Obviously 5 Believers ====  ... that Bob Dylan complained that he did not want to spend much time recording "Obviously 5 Believers"? Source: Wilentz, Sean (2010). Bob Dylan in America. (loc 2013 in Kindle edition) ALT1: ... that the working title for Bob Dylan's "Obviously 5 Believers" was "Black Dog Blues"? Source: Wilentz, Sean (2010). Bob Dylan in America. (loc 2013 in Kindle edition) ALT2: ... that Bob Dylan did not perform his 1966 song "Obviously 5 Believers" live until 1995? Source: Bob Dylan's official website: Setlists that contain Obviously Five Believers Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/KSMO-TV Comment: Suggestions for ALT hooks welcome.Improved to Good Article status by BennyOnTheLoose (talk). Self-nominated at 10:51, 15 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Obviously 5 Believers; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  Hook eligibility:  Cited: Y Interesting: N - nOverall:  @BennyOnTheLoose: Good article. Though, the hooks kind of feel a bit bland. The only one that really interests me is Alt2 but i'm not all too confident about it. Onegreatjoke (talk) 17:13, 15 March 2023 (UTC) How about a version of one of these, Onegreatjoke? (I think there's something in ALT3, but it might need tweaking.)  ALT3: ... that in 1966 one of the Hawks (later known as the Band) played on "Obviously 5 Believers", which was later the name of a band (later known as the Hawks) who played on Obviously 5 Believers (2021)? Sources: Heylin, Clinton (2021). Heylin, Clinton (2021). The Double Life of Bob Dylan. Vol. 1 1941-1966, A restless, hungry feeling pp. 388–392.;  Seaman, Duncan (August 26, 2021); "Stephen Duffy and David Twist on The Hawks: 'We weren't after world domination'". The Yorkshire Post.  ALT4: ... that "Obviously 5 Believers" by Bob Dylan inspired the name of a band featuring Duran Duran founding member Stephen Duffy? Sources:  Petridis, Alexis (October 15, 2004). "Radio daze". The Guardian.; Seaman, Duncan (August 26, 2021); "Stephen Duffy and David Twist on The Hawks: 'We weren't after world domination'". The Yorkshire Post. @BennyOnTheLoose: Alt3 could work but I do agree that a rewording is needed. Onegreatjoke (talk) 20:27, 17 March 2023 (UTC) How about... ALT3a  ... that "Obviously 5 Believers" (1966) which featured one of the Hawks, later known as the Band, inspired the name of a band, later known as the Hawks, who featured on Obviously 5 Believers (2021)? BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:21, 20 March 2023 (UTC)   === Articles created/expanded on March 16 ===   ==== Darryl Milburn ====  ... that Darryl Milburn made his Canadian Football League debut on his birthday? Source: National Post ALT1: ... that Darryl Milburn made his Canadian Football League debut on his birthday, but did not appear in any other games that year? Source: National Post and Pro Football Archives listing him as having played in only one game on the year Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/pendingMoved to mainspace by BeanieFan11 (talk). Self-nominated at 21:53, 21 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Darryl Milburn; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  Hook eligibility:  Cited: Y Interesting: Y Other problems: N - other problemQPQ: N - Not doneOverall:  @BeanieFan11: Good article. Though i think that hook alt1 should be worded differently like "that Darryl Milburn made his Canadian Football League debut on his birthday, but did not appear in any other games that year?" because putting the and there doesn't seem like the correct way to word it. Also need a QPQ. Onegreatjoke (talk) 18:51, 22 March 2023 (UTC)  I slightly reworded ALT1. Will review a qpq soon. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:56, 22 March 2023 (UTC)   ==== Order of Excellence for Women, Order of Righteous Son of Sudan ====  ... that Sudan has a separate decoration for women (with a pink ribbon) and men? Source: The law the instituted all Sudanese orders in 1961, [23] Reviewed:Created by FuzzyMagma (talk). Self-nominated at 21:22, 21 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Order of Excellence for Women; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  Comments: the men’s order has a robin that is coloured similar to military fatigues but I don’t how to add that succinctly. Another thing, ‘DYK code’ does not consider information inside tables for some reasons FuzzyMagma (talk) 21:30, 21 March 2023 (UTC)   ==== TRAPPIST-1 ====  ... that the star TRAPPIST-1 has seven planets in a harmonic chain? Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Old Bazaar, PrilepImproved to Good Article status by Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk). Self-nominated at 09:39, 16 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/TRAPPIST-1; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  Starting review. Valereee (talk) 17:57, 17 March 2023 (UTC)Hook eligibility:  Cited: N - ? Interesting: N - ?QPQ: ?Overall:  Valereee (talk) 17:57, 17 March 2023 (UTC)  Not finding the term "harmonic chain" in the article. Valereee (talk) 18:03, 17 March 2023 (UTC) I don't know what a harmonic chain is, which I think affects interestingness of the hook. Maybe a link? Valereee (talk) 18:04, 17 March 2023 (UTC) QPQ started; I can AGF on finishing it once we finish up here. Valereee (talk) 18:06, 17 March 2023 (UTC) I confess, I used "harmonic" mostly because I don't know a better word to describe a chain of planets whose orbits are in a beautiful mathematical order. Is there a better word? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:43, 18 March 2023 (UTC) How do reliable sources describe it? Surtsicna (talk) 16:39, 27 March 2023 (UTC) This press release uses "harmonic". Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:17, 28 March 2023 (UTC)   === Articles created/expanded on March 17 ===   ==== George Wythe Baylor ====  ... that Confederate troops under Colonel George Wythe Baylor disabled two Union tinclad gunboats on the Red River in Louisiana on May 5, 1864? Source: https://www.google.com.au/books/edition/Tinclads_in_the_Civil_War/lmWLppXvSVoC ALT1 ... that George W. Baylor's Texas rangers destroyed the last of Victorio's band of Apache on January 29, 1881 in the last such raid in Texas? (137 characters)Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Marie Meyer (aviator)Created by Ficaia (talk). Self-nominated at 11:23, 22 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/George Wythe Baylor; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  I shall review this. Storye book (talk) 09:57, 24 March 2023 (UTC) Policy compliance:  Adequate sourcing: Y Neutral: Y Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: N - ?Hook eligibility:  Cited: Y Interesting: Y Other problems: N - ?Image eligibility:  Freely licensed: Y Used in article: Y Clear at 100px: N - ?Overall:  Thank you for this history which needs to be told. However, there are some major issues with this article, with a lot of work required to resolve the plagiarism.  The use of the word "Indian" several times in the article is troubling, and in my opinion it affects the neutrality of the article. We have to be particularly careful with neutrality in this article, due to the historical behaviour of the biography subject, and modern sensibilities to that. Even though it might have been a historical usage of the word in line with some of the sources used, the word is not used in quotations, so I believe that we must use a more acceptable word or phrase instead. Maybe you can find alternative words in the article Indigenous peoples? Earwig finds 89.2% copyvio - not proper names or common phrases - real plagiarism. This nomination cannot be passed until all the plagiarised sections are either paraphrased or put into blockquotes or quotation marks. See Earwig for details of exactly how much you need to rewrite. The citation for the hook is offline, but I shall take that in good faith. However the date mentioned in the hook is not repeated in the article, so I cannot approve the hook until the date is there. Re the image: although that picture is interesting in larger size, I don't believe it would work on the Main Page as a thumbnail. If you really want an image in this nomination, may I suggest that you give us another hook with a different image? Storye book (talk) 10:03, 24 March 2023 (UTC)@Storye book: I've replaced "Indian" with "Apache" or "Comanche" throughout, depending on context. I've also added an alternative hook. As for the copyvio concern, the source copied from is in the public domain and is acknowledged in the "Sources" section of the article. There's more than 1500 characters of paraphrased text here besides the content lifted from the public domain source, so length is not a problem. Thanks for the review. 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 12:01, 24 March 2023 (UTC) Also, the date of the sinking of the tinclad is in the caption of an image in the article. 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 12:34, 24 March 2023 (UTC) @Ficaia: Re neutrality. Thank you for replacing most iterations of the word, "Indian", with more acceptable alternatives. However, there is at least one remaining iteration without quotation marks, and maybe some of the remaining ones could be paraphrased, with a different word? If you must have quotes including the word, then it would be wise to mention the author openly in the text, to make clear that it is a historical usage. Just using "scare quotes" makes it worse, because the word is then being used in the Wikipedia voice. It is better to correct this now, than to have repercussions when the article is linked to the Main Page. Thank you for ALT1, which would be fine, but for the use of "Indian". I believe it would be acceptable if the hook included the author of that quoted phrase (so it is clear that they were being racist, not WP). The ALT1 hook fact has an online source, in the article. Re copyvio. You do need to make clear with quotation marks or blockquote, exactly which words are quoted in the article. Just saying at the end of the article or in a citation that its public domain contents are used, is not enough. This is because a reviewer like me, and also your reading public, cannot tell easily what is copied public domain material, what is your own paraphrase, and what is copyvio. If the entire article and all the sources consisted only of public domain material, then little notes at the end, to that effect, would be OK. But when you have a complete mix of material, you cannot do that, without it being called copyvio on WP. So please make your quotations absolutely clear. If, as you say, length is not a problem, you will not lose this nomination if you do that. Re the date in ALT0. The date being in the image caption in the article is fine, but you need a citation for the date in that image caption, please. Thank you for kindly making an effort so far to sort out these issues. Because you have started in this way, I believe that we can get there, and I have good hopes of seeing this nomination pass, although it will take some work. Storye book (talk) 15:45, 24 March 2023 (UTC)@Storye book: There is at least one footnote at the end of every sentence here, so it is always clear what source is being drawn from for any statement in the article. I've been made aware that copying from PD sources is fine as long as there is an attribution in the reference list and there is always an inline citation to indicate where exactly that source is being used. Also, I've amended the hook and removed/altered any remaining uses of "Indian". 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 01:46, 25 March 2023 (UTC) Thank you, Ficaia, for removing all unnecessary uses of "Indian" from the article. Thank you for your explanation of why you have not indicated your quotations. I can see where you're coming from and I respect your opinion, but It does not feel right to me. This is because I deal with 19th-centrury texts every day, and I value the quotes from those sources because the language and attitudes of the era show clearly in the quotes, and tell us how those people thought about what was happening to them. But if we use their words as Wiki-voice, that can be dangerous, especially in a biography of a white pioneer soldier who freely butchered people of another race because that was his job, at a time when newspaper reports tended not to be as critical of his actions as we might be. I think we need to separate the words used at the time, from today's Wiki voice. But that is just my opinion. To be fair to you, I shall ask for another opinion. @BlueMoonset: @Theleekycauldron: @Bruxton: Storye book (talk) 10:16, 25 March 2023 (UTC) @Storye book: Are there any specific passages you have a problem with? I've actually done quite a bit of pruning and rewording of the PD source, changed "murdered" and "massacred" to "killed" and other such vocabulary, and haven't included any of the editorial moralising. 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 10:25, 25 March 2023 (UTC) I was just making a general point of principle, and I accept that you have been very careful. I was certainly not suggesting that you were promoting those old ideas. I did not find anything non-neutral apart from "Indian", and we have resolved that. But let's see what others think about whether we should mix public domain and paraphrased copyrighted texts together without using quote marks to differentiate them. Storye book (talk) 10:51, 25 March 2023 (UTC)I myself do use "Indian" most often in everyday vernacular, but unless you're writing an article about U.S. law, it does strike me as unnecessarily inflammatory for an encyclopedic article. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 14:20, 25 March 2023 (UTC) Thank you, theleekycauldron. I believe that we have now removed all the unnecessary iterations of "Indian". from the article and hooks. What is left is (1) "Indian Territory", which is a historical term appropriate for this article (2) a quote "an old Indian fighter" from a named newspaper of the era described in the article, (3) the original title of a map, and the original title of a 1916 book. I think that those are OK because they are clearly used in their historical context. The main question that I have for you now, is whether we can mix (a) copied Public Domain text (without quotes) into the article text, alongside (b) the editor's paraphrased text from other sources, and (c) proper quotations in quotation marks. All material in the article is properly and fully cited (as far as I can see), but the difficulty is that the reader cannot see which is what in relation to a, b and c. Earwig finds over 80% copyvio, and on Earwig you can see that almost none of that highlighted stuff is in quotation marks. The creator/nominator says that it is OK. Because I have not seen this type of mixed presentation before, I have asked for a second opinion. Please let us know what you think? Thank you. Storye book (talk) 20:41, 25 March 2023 (UTC) The main things to keep in mind are: 1. all text copied from the public domain needs to be attributed in the listing of the source; 2. PD copied text doesn't count towards the 1500B length minimum. Beyond that, copyright isn't really a consideration we make with the end user in mind. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 22:16, 25 March 2023 (UTC) As I understand it, the creator/nominator and I are already agreed on those principles. The question is: if the PD text is not defined by quotation marks, (1) how can we follow the rule, "all text copied from the public domain needs to be attributed in the listing of the source", and (2) how am I as reviewer supposed to separate out the PD stuff from the rest to count characters? Another issue for me is, if quotations are not defined, then how do I separate informal language which is permissible in quotes, from slang etc. which is used in those parts of the text which should be formal Wikivoice? One example in this article is "back of", which is possibly used instead of "behind", but to those of us outside the US, its meaning is unclear.Storye book (talk) 09:28, 26 March 2023 (UTC)I think the point about slang is a bit nit-picky. 'Back of X' is common usage in Australian English too, btw. 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 09:59, 26 March 2023 (UTC) Slang is a local and casual use of language. This is an international platform, whose audience includes many people for whom English is not their first language, and who have been taught formal English. I am a professional user of English, and have been an examiner of English, and I am still unsure of your precise meaning of "back of" in that context. If it does not mean "behind", then what does it mean, and why can't you use a formal English expression? Or could it be a quotation, in which case please mark it as such with quotation marks? It doesn't make much sense to me: the mother is apparently in a boat on a river, - behind a city? How can you be behind a city? From which point of view is the rear of the city? That is the problem with informal language; it is often imprecise. One of the functions of formal language is precision. If you had said "back of a house", I would have understood you, because a house normally has a back and a front. I have never seen a city with a back and a front. Storye book (talk) 10:22, 26 March 2023 (UTC) I've replaced it with 'near'. 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 11:40, 26 March 2023 (UTC) Thank you, Ficaia, for improving the article, and resolving the "back of" issue. Don't worry, you are not alone in this. Like a lot of people here, I too am using formal English as a second language, so to speak. My first dialect is from south-east England, where we have Estuarine overlaid on the old, defunct, east Kent rural dialect, plus the street habit of using the F-word several times in every sentence. But you can't get a professional job in Kent unless you can also speak received English and write Standard English. And on WP, you and I just have to fit in. It can be fun sometimes, because formal English (whether in American or British English) can be a powerful tool, not least because when your language is clear, concise and to the point, people take you seriously. So I believe that you will go far in writing these articles, so long as you are prepared to adapt to this rather powerful method of communication. Anyway, well done, so far. Storye book (talk) 14:09, 26 March 2023 (UTC)   ==== Wihtburh ====  ... that the incorruptibility of Wihtburh's body was considered a miracle and her remains were re-interred in the church which she had built in Dereham? Source: Pestell, Tim (2004). Landscapes of Monastic Foundation The Establishment of Religious Houses in East Anglia c.650-1200. Woodbridge, UK: Boydell Press. ISBN 978-18438-3-062-7. Page 89 , Cruz, Joan Carroll (1977). The Incorruptibles: a Study of the Incorruption of the Bodies of Various Catholic Saints and Beati. Rockford, Illinois: Tan Books and Publishers. ISBN 978-08955-5-066-8. Page 61 ALT1: ... that the incorruptibility of Wihtburh's body was considered a miracle? Source: same as above ALT2: ... that the relics of Wihtburh were all destroyed during the Reformation? Source: same as above Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Chase BrownImproved to Good Article status by Amitchell125 (talk). Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk) at 15:34, 20 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Wihtburh; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.   ==== 1866 Helston by-election ====  ... that at the 1866 Helston by-election, the two candidates received the same number of votes? Source: "Close of the Poll: Campbell ... 153, Brett ... 153." ("Helston election: The polling". The West Briton & Cornwall Advertiser. Truro, Cornwall. 4 May 1866. p. 4 – via Newspapers.com.) Reviewed: Battle of Corycus5x expanded by Harrias (talk). Self-nominated at 14:24, 17 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/1866 Helston by-election; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  QPQ: N - Not doneOverall:  @Harrias: Good article. Waiting on QPQ. Onegreatjoke (talk) 19:04, 17 March 2023 (UTC)  @Onegreatjoke: I've just done a QPQ, but belatedly realised it was one of yours, which is possibly a conflict of interest. Harrias (he/him) • talk 21:18, 20 March 2023 (UTC)If you are waiting on a third party to confirm that nothing shady involving approval-trading is afoot here, I've taken a look at the article and it looks fine to me.  So don't believe Onegreatjoke's review is problematic. As a passerby question, though: is it just me or are these vote counts insanely low, even given the smaller UK population of 1866?  The rotten borough article says that such tiny constituencies were largely abolished in the 1830s...  did the UK still have really restricted suffrage based on property holdings and this was normal, or is this a genuine case of a rotten borough that still existed?  SnowFire (talk) 22:42, 27 March 2023 (UTC) The latter. It wasn't until the following year that the Reform Act 1867 was passed, significantly increasing the voting population of the United Kingdom over the subsequent few years. Harrias (he/him) • talk 23:57, 27 March 2023 (UTC)   ==== Rumrich spy case ====  ... that at the trial of the Rumrich spy case, US Army deserter Guenther Rumrich stated he was instructed to determine how many US soldiers were based on the country's east coast? Source: Rumrich Testifies Spies Checked East Coast Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Lewis ManlyCreated by Therapyisgood (talk). Self-nominated at 08:14, 17 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Rumrich spy case; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  General eligibility: New Enough: N -  17 March Long Enough: N -  Just long enoughPolicy compliance:  Adequate sourcing: N -  Sourced based on contemporary news media Neutral: N -   No obvious bias Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: N - Hook eligibility:  Cited: N -  Interesting: N -   Borderline, but okay Other problems: N - Could this be made more concise?Overall:  Martin (Smith609 – Talk) 14:15, 17 March 2023 (UTC)   @Therapyisgood and Smith609: I don't believe this article complies with rule D7, which says an article must be reasonably complete and give an adequate overview of the subject. Having read the article, I remain in the dark as to what the case was all about – e.g., what was Rumrich pleading guilty to? Espionage, desertion, impersonating Cordell Hull; all or none of the above? Why was he impersonating Cordell Hull? What's the connection between Rumrich, the hairdresser and the airplane mechanic? What were they convicted of? Did Rumrich go to jail too? And if so, why? There's a lot of basic information missing from this article, and I don't think it's ready for the main page in its current form. Sojourner in the earth (talk) 19:05, 17 March 2023 (UTC) All excellent points, I'll be working on this in the coming days plus I need a QPQ. Therapyisgood (talk) 19:45, 17 March 2023 (UTC) Clarified Rumrich pleaded guilty to espionage with source. Therapyisgood (talk) 20:11, 17 March 2023 (UTC) Clarified that Hoffman served as a go-between between Rumrich's contact person in Germany and himself. Therapyisgood (talk) 20:16, 17 March 2023 (UTC) Clarified Rumrich served two years in NYC. Therapyisgood (talk) 20:43, 17 March 2023 (UTC) Clarified why Rumrich wanted the passports (to give to the German government). Therapyisgood (talk) 20:46, 17 March 2023 (UTC) @Sojourner in the earth: how does it look now? Therapyisgood (talk) 02:01, 18 March 2023 (UTC) I think it could still be expanded (eg. still no explanation of Voss's involvement) but the narrative is clearer now, so I'll withdraw my objection. Thanks. I'll let Smith609 or someone else give the final tick when you've provided the QPQ. Sojourner in the earth (talk) 06:57, 18 March 2023 (UTC) @Smith609: QPQ done at Template:Did you know nominations/Lewis Manly. Therapyisgood (talk) 00:38, 22 March 2023 (UTC)   === Articles created/expanded on March 18 ===   ==== Sasajiscymnus tsugae ====  ... that Sasajiscymnus tsugae is used as a biological control method for the hemlock woolly adelgid, an aggressive invasive pest of the eastern hemlock? Source: Cornell University College of Agriculture and LifeSciences Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Mata (album) Comment: Perhaps an image of the eastern hemlock or the adelgid would be nice?Created by Thriley (talk) and Peter coxhead (talk). Nominated by Thriley (talk) at 19:31, 21 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Sasajiscymnus tsugae; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.   Hi Thriley (talk), review follows: article moved to mainspace 18 March and exceeds minimum length; article is well written and cited inline throughout to reliable sources; a QPQ has been carried out; A handful of queries - Dumelow (talk) 11:08, 22 March 2023 (UTC) Hook is interesting enough for me but the article doesn't currently mention the eastern hemlock, just hemlock in general? What does "pubescent on the dorsal surface" mean? Can it be simplified for the layman? Link instar, shorion, pupa, larva Much of the description section is too close to the source for my liking, can the paraphrasing be improved?   ==== Li Fu Lee ====  ... that the first Chinese woman to attend MIT, Li Fu Lee, (pictured) studied electrical engineering, which was considered as MIT's most difficult major at the time? Source: China Comes to MIT Reviewed: Comment: The image is being restored by Adam Cuerden, who did a lot of restorations for featured pictures. Thus I highly recommend using the image.Created by FunnyMath (talk). Self-nominated at 19:13, 18 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Li Fu Lee; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  Oh by the way, this is my first DYK nomination, so no need for QPQ. FunnyMath (talk) 19:27, 18 March 2023 (UTC) Hook eligibility:  Cited: Y Interesting: Y Other problems: N - "MIT" should be wikilinked to Massachusetts Institute of Technology in the hook. Hook is interesting but needs some frame of reference as to which source determined electrical engineering was the most difficult major at the time.Overall:  QPQ not needed as this is the first nomination. Picture is good. It was mentioned in the hook that electrical engineering was considered the most difficult major at the time. "At the time" should be mentioned in the article itself, as well as which source stated it was the most difficult. lullabying (talk) 22:24, 19 March 2023 (UTC)  @Lullabying: I made the relevant changes in the lead and the "Biography" section of the article. As for the hook, I'd change it to this: ... that the first Chinese woman to attend MIT, Li Fu Lee, (pictured) studied electrical engineering, which the undergraduates at the time said was the hardest major according to The Boston Globe? Source: China Comes to MIT And thank you for reviewing the article! FunnyMath (talk) 03:39, 20 March 2023 (UTC) Are we allowed to use two sources instead of one? The China Comes to MIT link doesn't have the quote that supports the phrase "the undergraduates at the time said was the hardest major". The phrase is supported here: Boston Evening Globe FunnyMath (talk) 04:08, 20 March 2023 (UTC) I'll take another look. I've used two sources before for DYK and I don't see a problem using more than one. lullabying (talk) 01:57, 25 March 2023 (UTC)   ==== Tina Brower-Thomas ====  ... that Center for Integrated Quantum Materials researcher Tina Brower-Thomas's (pictured) earliest endeavors in chemistry as a child led to her concoctions eating holes in her coat? Source: [24], 3:35–4:10 Reviewed: Jeff WranaMoved to mainspace by John P. Sadowski (NIOSH) (talk). Self-nominated at 03:51, 18 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Tina Brower-Thomas; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.   Article is new enough and long enough. It is neutral and well-referenced. Hook is supported by an inline reference at the end of the sentence. The image is free and appears in an uncropped version in the article. The nominator commented on but did not review Jeff Wrana so we need a proper QPQ if the nominator has run out of free credits. The hook is a little wordy. I would suggest shortening it by cutting her place of work. Also possibly changing endeavors to experiments. Philafrenzy (talk) 07:33, 18 March 2023 (UTC) @Philafrenzy: Re-reviews have always been accepted as QPQs, especially since they almost always involve tricky issues that take more effort to resolve than many original reviews.  This was not a single comment, is an ongoing review.  Tightened hook below. John P. Sadowski (NIOSH) (talk) 21:27, 21 March 2023 (UTC) ALT1: ... that quantum materials researcher Tina Brower-Thomas's (pictured) earliest attempts at chemistry as a child led to her concoctions eating holes in her coat?   ==== Roman Josi ====  ... that defenceman Roman Josi (pictured) is the highest-scoring Swiss-born NHL player? Source: https://www.espn.com/nhl/recap/_/gameId/401272683 ALT1: ... that defenceman Roman Josi  (pictured) is the Nashville Predators single-season points leader? Source: https://www.nhl.com/predators/news/josi-sets-another-franchise-record-leads-preds-over-senators-in-ottawa/c-332751616 Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/TBD5x expanded by HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk). Self-nominated at 01:55, 18 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Roman Josi; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  I'll review this. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:39, 18 March 2023 (UTC)Policy compliance:  Adequate sourcing: N - some issues Neutral: Y Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: YQPQ: N - not done yetOverall:  Nice expansion! Appears to meet all the criteria, expect there's a few spots needing citations (I've marked them) and a qpq has not been provided. BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:15, 19 March 2023 (UTC)  BeanieFan11, I have addressed all the CN tags. I will work on my QPQ tomorrow. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 05:01, 19 March 2023 (UTC)   === Articles created/expanded on March 19 ===   ==== William F. Matthews (died 1977) ====  ... that in 1976, William F. Matthews was the first bookbinder to receive the Insignia Award of London's City and Guilds Institute? Source: Matthews, William F." in Michael F. Saurez & H. R. Woudhuysen (Eds.) (2010) The Oxford Companion to the Book. Vol. 2 D-Z. Oxford: Oxford University Press. p. 919. ISBN 9780198606536 Reviewed: to be doneCreated by Philafrenzy (talk) and Whispyhistory (talk). Nominated by Philafrenzy (talk) at 22:36, 23 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/William F. Matthews (died 1977); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  QPQ: N - Not doneOverall:  @Philafrenzy: Good article. AGF on offline sources. Waiting on QPQ. Onegreatjoke (talk) 19:15, 24 March 2023 (UTC)   ==== Neminath Jain Temple, Girnar ====  ... that Indian king Mandalika I gilded the Neminath Jain Temple on Girnar hill with gold plates? Source: Diskalkar, D. B. (June 1940). "Inscriptions Of Kathiawad: No. 77". New Indian Antiquary. Vol. 2. pp. 116–117.  Dhaky, M. A. (1997).  Shah, Jitendra B. (ed.). મહાતીર્થ ઉજ્જયન્તગિરિ (ગિરનાર તીર્થ) [Mahatirtha UjjayantGiri (Girnar Tirtha)] (in Gujarati). Ahmedabad: Sheth Anandji Kalyanji. Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/QPQ pending Comment: Might need some copyeditingCreated by Nizil Shah (talk). Self-nominated at 17:10, 19 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Neminath Jain Temple, Girnar; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.   === Articles created/expanded on March 20 ===   ==== The Doll's Hospital ====  ... that that the owners of The Doll's Hospital toyshop were the penultimate victims of the Acid Bath Murderer? Source: "It later emerged they had been the victims of the acid bath murderer, John George Haigh, a notorious serial-killer who dissolved his victim’s bodies in barrels of concentrated sulphuric acid." [25] Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/ not yet doneCreated by Edwardx (talk). Self-nominated at 22:46, 27 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/The Doll's Hospital; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  Article falls short of the criteria for inclusion in Wikipedia. Specifically it is based on just two sources: a caption on a Shutterstock photo and a Wordpress article. According to WP:BLOG we should be cautious about using blogs as a reliable source at all, let alone as the sole support for the substance of the article. The blog post appears to be original research based on secondary sources; if some of those sources can be tracked down and included as support for the article, and if the article is brought up to style guideline standards, perhaps this may be worth reconsidering.Oblivy (talk) 05:41, 28 March 2023 (UTC)Sorry about that, Oblivy. The deadline was looming and I was tired. It is now over 1500 characters and has two more sources. As for the blog, it is the official blog of LBHF Libraries and Archives, with a named author, Lauren Romano, so I think we can reasonably consider it to be a reliable source. There are plenty of good sources about Haigh and his murders, but decent sources specifically about The Doll's Hospital are harder to find. I will dig around some more later today, and do a QPQ review. Edwardx (talk) 11:15, 28 March 2023 (UTC)Wasn't looking for an apology, just trying to make some constructive criticism of the article without being too discouraging. The article is better now - more focused on the shop and less on the murders. Some headings would help.You may like this: it's a published article from Ms. Romano which overcomes the "blog" issue.[26]   Also, on the blog there's a gripe from a guy named Michael Volpe who she quoted his "book" without attribution; in the article she quotes his blog.  Could be this? [27] Good luck with the article.Oblivy (talk) 13:12, 28 March 2023 (UTC)   ==== Drake (musician) ====  ... that Drake has the personal approval of Barack Obama to portray the U.S. president in a biopic if the opportunity came? Source: Variety ALT1: ... that Drake took a hiatus from his musical career to return to television as executive producer of Euphoria? Source: The Hollywood Reporter Reviewed: Comment: Tried to go with lesser known trivia than ‘Did you know that… Drake shattered x record?’ QPQ review coming later as my battery is currently at 6%Improved to Good Article status by Trillfendi (talk). Self-nominated at 19:30, 26 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Drake (musician); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  QPQ: N - Not doneOverall:  No issues with anything as far as the actual hook or article are concerned (I'd definitely go with ALT0 over ALT1 personally) but holding off on giving it the all clear until the QPQ has been done. Turnagra (talk) 07:48, 29 March 2023 (UTC)   ==== American Song Contest ====  ... that there was an American version of the Eurovision Song Contest, but it didn't get renewed for a second season? Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20220321181721/https://www.billboard.com/culture/tv-film/american-song-contest-producers-interview-1235045924/ , https://wiwibloggs.com/2023/02/06/american-song-contest-2023-axed-as-organisers-hope-for-2024-renewal/275313/ , amongst other sources. Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/1937 Fleischer Studios strike Comment: Yes i did review this article for GA.Improved to Good Article status by Grk1011 (talk). Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk) at 16:51, 23 October 2022 (UTC). at 19:19, 23 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/American Song Contest; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.   Article has recently been GA reviewed. Earwig reports a copyvio of this source, but I can see that the copied text is just a list that can't really be rewritten any other way. The main problem I have is that the citations given don't really support the hook, and I'm not sure one of them is GA quality. The Billboard source pre-dates the first season coverage, while the second source only says the series won't be renewed for 2023, but it might be renewed for 2024. So you can't say "it didn't get renewed for a second season" as it may yet do so in the future. And, that brings me onto - what makes wiwibloggs.com a reliable source? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:58, 24 March 2023 (UTC)I'd suggest changing the wording to "renewed for a 2023 season" to better reflect the refs. I also added an additional ref to the article, though it's in Swedish [28]. Regarding Wiwibloggs, it is reliable source that just so happens to have blog in its name. The site lists their editorial policies, key staff and their credentials, significance in the field, etc. [29], [30] per WP:RS. Grk1011 (talk) 13:35, 26 March 2023 (UTC)   ==== 2B (Nier: Automata) ====  ... that writer Yoko Taro requested that the design for the character 2B be enjoyable for cosplayers? Source: http://dengekionline.com/elem/000/001/068/1068126/ , https://dengekionline.com/elem/000/001/146/1146564/ Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Wyndham New Yorker HotelImproved to Good Article status by Zxcvbnm (talk). Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk) at 18:50, 23 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/2B (Nier: Automata); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  Started reviewing this. Will update later today. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 15:23, 26 March 2023 (UTC) Policy compliance:  Adequate sourcing: N - Third paragraph under the Nier: Automata heading has no sources. You may know better than I do what's acceptable when summarizing in-world story/characters based just on the game itself. Further down, there is a quote "cleansed" that doesn't have a citation directly following the sentence. Ditto "droll". Best practice is for there to be a citation immediately following any quotation. In the reception section there are several direct quotes which have a citation at the end of the paragraph but not the sentence. Not a huge deal, but might as well fix. Neutral: Y Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Y Other problems: N - Just something I noticed when running it through Earwig: there's a quote from one of the sources where "prevalence of" should be included in the quote that ends "blindfolds, collars and black materials".Hook eligibility:  Cited: N - Could you clarify where in the source the claim is verified? I'm relying on Google Translate, but while I see several mentions of cosplay, none seem to verify the hook exactly. Interesting: Y Other problems: N - The wording is a little awkward. Maybe "enjoyable to cosplay" or "enjoyable for fans to cosplay"?Overall:  Just a few things to work out before promoting. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 17:06, 26 March 2023 (UTC)   ==== Rick Suder ====  ... that Rick Suder was bumped from the NCAA record book by JJ Redick and Gerry McNamara? Source: http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_basketball_RB/2007/2007RB.pdf ALT1: ... that Rick Suder was among the Top 25 most accurate free throw shooters in college basketball history until he was passed by JJ Redick in 2006? Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Thomas Charles Sorby Comment: 1st of 10 QPQs for this reviewCreated by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self-nominated at 17:35, 20 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Rick Suder; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  Will take for review Longhornsg (talk) 02:57, 21 March 2023 (UTC)Hook eligibility:  Cited: Y Interesting: N - nOverall:  Hook as written doesn't really say anything and the wording is confusing. Did Redick and McNamara physically bump him? Why is it interesting that Suder was passed in the record books? I made some direct edits to the article and added ALT1 hook as an option for a more descriptive hook. Would also improve the inline citing of your sourcing in the article. -— Preceding unsigned comment added by Longhornsg (talk • contribs) 03:17, March 21, 2023 (UTC) --TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:08, 23 March 2023 (UTC)  Would displaced be a better verb? The point of the hook is to draw the reader in with the implication that Suder may have held some important record that these other guys broke. In fact, he was 24th on a top 25 list and these guys entered the list above him to move him out of the top 25.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 13:15, 21 March 2023 (UTC) P.S. While I have your attention. I think we should discuss the WP:LEAD. Honestly, I think it needs to include a mention of his grandfather. I have created a lot of relatives of famous people and most of them have become quite stable with the mention of the famous relative. I.e., articles that are relavant for WP:CBBALL, such as Tim Hardaway Jr., Glen Rice Jr., Aubrey Dawkins, Glenn Robinson III, Kameron Chatman, Phil Pressey, Patrick Beilein, and Ian Hummer are stable long-term articles that include mention of their famous fathers, uncles or cousins. Distant 3rd cousin Caris LeVert does not include relatives in the LEAD. I don't know why I never put Brian Earl's brother in the LEAD. Since his brother mentions him in his LEAD, I have added his brother. Since both Foster Loyer and Fletcher Loyer are both relatively new articles (created during the same trip down the David DeJulius-->Foster Loyer-->Fletcher Loyer and Rick Suder rabbit hole as this one) I can't confirm that they will be stable with the mention of their famous fathers. Bob Scrabis (basketball) is also too new to describe as stable yet. I am deliberating about how to mention Suder's grandfather. You removed the sentence "He is the grandson of Major League Baseball infielder Pete Suder", which I think is an appropriate LEAD inclusion. I am deliberating about expanding the prose of the main body to add the following on the the current sentence in the main body, "who is notable for platooning with Nellie Fox as part of a double play record-setting infield."  However, I think as part of the LEAD, I am also suppose to mention his financial advisory career since I should summarize every major section of the article in a proper LEAD.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:56, 22 March 2023 (UTC) N.B. Because of the number of articles that I have done regarding famous relatives and how stable the relative mentions have been in the articles, I am going to do a partial revert of your edit and add the platoon mention and a financial advisory mention.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:59, 22 March 2023 (UTC) I have revised the LEAD to summarize each major section of the article..--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:16, 22 March 2023 (UTC) @Longhornsg:-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:10, 23 March 2023 (UTC) Also, Mike Yastrzemski (unlike the others I was not involved in this article) has one of the more famous grandfathers.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:14, 23 March 2023 (UTC)   ==== Trial & Error (company) ====  ... that YouTube channel Trial & Error's manner of selling live show  tickets—US$1,287 on day one, $644 on day two, all the way to $1 on day 24—was a university entrance exam question? Source: Tsang, Emily (2021-12-11). "It's no boy band, but Hong Kong's Trial & Error scores success between 'red lines' with videos, parodies, songs". South China Morning Post. Archived from the original on 2023-03-20. Retrieved 2023-03-20.The article notes: "In October, Trial & Error decided to test their offline success by holding two live shows at the 3,600-seat Star Halls venue to mark their first anniversary. Tickets sold out in just four days. Sales were done Dutch auction style, with prices set at HK$10,000 on the first day, HK$5,000 the next day, HK$2,000 the day after, with the promise of being just HK$10 on Day 24. Day 1 saw 13 tickets sold for HK$10,000 before four went for HK$5,000 the next day. All were sold by Day 4, when the ticket price was $800."游學修反抽水親解答案 "【試當真】Live騷售票方式獲「官方認證」成DSE試題　游學修反抽水親解答案" [[Trial and Error] the live show ticket sales method has been "officially certified" as a DSE test question. Neo Yau's anti-pumping answer]. Hong Kong Economic Times (in Chinese). 2022-05-04. Archived from the original on 2023-03-20. Retrieved 2023-03-20.The article notes: "YouTube頻道《試當真Trial & Error》去年舉行兩場Live騷，以「減價拍賣」方式售票杜絕黃牛黨。開賣第一天已成功售出13張價值一萬元的門票，穩袋6位數字。香港中學文憑考試（DSE）經濟科昨日（3日）開考，卷一共有40條選擇題，其中一條以此Live騷門票價格功能為試題，再次引起網民熱論，"From Google Translate: "The YouTube channel "Trial & Error" held two live shows last year, and sold tickets through "reduction auctions" to prevent scalpers. On the first day of sales, 13 tickets worth HK$10,000 have been successfully sold, with a stable bag of 6 figures. The Hong Kong Diploma of Secondary Education Examination (DSE) Economics exam started yesterday (3rd). There are a total of 40 multiple-choice questions in the paper, one of which is based on the Live Show ticket price function as a test question, which once again aroused heated discussions among netizens, ..."Fung, Kei-na 馮琪雅 (2022-05-10). 考評局解構出題原因 "【DSE2022】「試當真」減價賣飛方式驚現DSE經濟科MC　考評局解構出題原因" [[DSE2022] The "Trial & Error" reduced price method of selling tickets surprisingly appears in DSE economics MC. The Examinations Bureau deconstructed the reason for the question.]. Hong Kong Economic Times (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2023-03-20. Retrieved 2023-03-20. ALT1: ... that Trial & Error's manner of selling tickets—HK$10,000 (US$1,287) on day one, HK$5,000 (US$644) on day two, all the way to HK$10 (US$1) on day 24—was a university entrance exam question? Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Tamba Taylor Comment: The sources list the currency in HKD. The HKD to USD currency conversion is generated using {{To USD}}. An example: "HK$10,000 (US$1,287)"Created by Cunard (talk). Self-nominated at 05:26, 20 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Trial & Error (company); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  Drive by comment: I really don't think you need to convert the currency into dollars (Not everyone on English Wikipedia is an American after all). Having solely the Hong Kong dollars will be cleaner/easier to understand and won't detract from the hook much. :3 F4U (they/it) 00:38, 21 March 2023 (UTC) Thank you for sharing your input. Here is another hook that incorporates your feedback:ALT2: ... that YouTube channel Trial & Error's manner of selling live show  tickets—HK$10,000 on day one; $5,000 on day two; all the way to $10 on day 24—was a university entrance exam question?Cunard (talk) 05:54, 21 March 2023 (UTC) Another drive-by comment: please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think I'm seeing anything about university entrance exams in the article? Or maybe I missed it. I'm also not sure if it's even necessary to mention the prices at all. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:55, 21 March 2023 (UTC) Thank you for pointing this out. I've modified the article to mention university entrance exams. Based on your feedback, here is an updated hook without the prices:ALT3: ... that YouTube channel Trial & Error's manner of selling live show  tickets was a university entrance exam question?Cunard (talk) 06:17, 22 March 2023 (UTC)That hook may need revision, as it's vague if the company used university exam questions to sell tickets, or if Hong Kong university entrance exams included the company's way of selling tickets as one of the questions (the article seems to suggest the latter, but the hook itself is unclear). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:37, 23 March 2023 (UTC) Thank you for catching this ambiguity. The latter interpretation is the correct interpretation. Here are revised hooks:ALT4: ... that YouTube channel Trial & Error's manner of selling live show  tickets appeared as a question on a university entrance exam?ALT5: ... that a university entrance exam asked about YouTube channel Trial & Error's manner of selling live show tickets?ALT6: ... that a university entrance exam question was about YouTube channel Trial & Error's manner of selling live show tickets?Cunard (talk) 09:13, 24 March 2023 (UTC) Thanks. I've struck the other hooks, leaving ALTs 4-6 for review. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:24, 24 March 2023 (UTC)@Cunard, Narutolovehinata5,  and Theleekycauldron: Is it possible to make this hookier for April Fool's Day? ALT7: ... that Trial & Error appeared on a university entrance exam? Or, is that simply run-of-the-mill "quirky" and not April Fool's Day material? Cielquiparle (talk) 10:16, 27 March 2023 (UTC) I think it's just too run-of-the-mill unfortunately, and personally I think the non-AFD version is more intriguing. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:24, 27 March 2023 (UTC) OK. Proposing further rewording: ALT8: ... that a university entrance exam asked a question about how Trial & Error sold tickets to its live shows on YouTube? Cielquiparle (talk) 10:36, 27 March 2023 (UTC)   === Articles created/expanded on March 21 ===   ==== Castner Range National Monument ====  ... that Castner Range National Monument, a former weapons test site that closed in 1966, is still undergoing remediation so this portion of the Franklin Mountains can be used for recreation? Source: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2023/03/21/a-proclamation-on-the-establishment-of-the-castner-range-national-monument-2023/ Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Monument to the Victims of the HolocaustCreated by Reywas92 (talk). Self-nominated at 20:46, 25 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Castner Range National Monument; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  Hook eligibility:  Cited: Y Interesting: Y Other problems: N - nOverall:  The article is very nice and meets all DYK criteria, but I think the hook needs to be changed, because the cause of the protection of the site was not only the plan to turn it into a recreational area. Castner Range is also important for historical and naturalistic reasons, and in my opinion this should appear in the hook. Alex2006 (talk) 08:43, 28 March 2023 (UTC)  I've changed that to "used for recreation". It does also have historical and natural importance, but the remediation is less relevant to that purpose – it had already been preserved for those. Or what wording would you suggest? Reywas92Talk 13:35, 28 March 2023 (UTC)   ==== 2021 College Football Playoff National Championship ====  ... that, after winning the 2021 College Football Playoff National Championship, Alabama head coach Nick Saban has won more Division I college football national championships than any other coach? Source: https://www.si.com/college/2021/01/12/nick-saban-passes-bear-bryant-most-championships-cfb Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Hernán Galíndez Comment: Was nominated before but failed newness. However, it recently became a GA so i believe I can nominate this again. Also yes, I did copy one of the hooks from the last nom.Improved to Good Article status by PCN02WPS (talk). Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk) at 18:33, 23 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/2021 College Football Playoff National Championship/retry; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  I'll review this. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:27, 27 March 2023 (UTC)Policy compliance:  Adequate sourcing: N - minor issues Neutral: Y Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: YOverall:  @Onegreatjoke and PCN02WPS: Almost there; however, the sentences This was the second of four consecutive College Football Playoff National Championship games matching the No. 3 seed and the No. 1 seed, with No. 1 LSU defeating the No. 3 Clemson Tigers 42–25 in the 2020 edition. and In the Sugar Bowl for the second semifinal, Ohio State defeated Clemson 49–28, to get their first win over them, after four previous attempts. need citations. Then this will be good to go. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:26, 27 March 2023 (UTC)   ==== Looping State of Mind ====  ... that the electronic music album Looping State of Mind features live instrumentation? Source: (Gorman 2011) ALT1: ... that acclaimed musician Axel Willner's first project as the Field to be recorded at an official studio was his third Field album? Source: (Gorman 2011), (Spencer 2020) ALT2: ... that Looping State of Mind was seen as an improvement over the Field's previous album Yesterday and Today? Source: (Dietz 2011), (Baer 2011), numerous reviews Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Life Is but a Dream... Comment: The numerous reviews to verify ALT2 is in footnote C in the article.Improved to Good Article status by Lazman321 (talk). Self-nominated at 06:07, 23 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Looping State of Mind; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  Hook eligibility:  Cited: Y Interesting: N - nOverall:  @Lazman321: Good article but, I don't really think that any of these hooks are interesting. Maybe I need an explanation as to why but I'm just not seeing. Maybe other hooks could be proposed? Onegreatjoke (talk) 17:32, 23 March 2023 (UTC)   ==== Hearst Castle ====  ... that Hearst Castle inspired Xanadu, the lavish mansion in Orson Welles's acclaimed film Citizen Kane? Source: North Carolina Museum of Art The character of Charles Foster Kane was modeled on real-life publishing magnate William Randolph Hearst, and his fictional estate in the film Xanadu was based on Hearst’s “Enchanted Hill” in San Simeon, California. ALT1: ... that Hearst Castle was rumored to have been described by George Bernard Shaw as "what God would have built if he had had the money"? Source: The Golden Days of San Simeon George Bernard Shaw... is rumored to have said "this is probably the way God would have done it if He had had the money" Reviewed:Improved to Good Article status by KJP1 (talk). Nominated by Festucalex (talk) at 05:06, 23 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Hearst Castle; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  * My only observation on the suggested hooks is that both may generate a bit of noise. There are those who get worked up at the suggestion that Kane is modelled on Hearst, and thus whether Xanadu is modelled on San Simeon, even though it's blindingly obvious that he was and it is. There's a smaller, but still vocal, group that get agitated by the Bernard Shaw quote, maintaining either that he didn't say it, or that he said it about somewhere else, usually St Donat's Castle. An alternative, which I'd favour, would be something like the below. All the best. KJP1 (talk) 06:42, 23 March 2023 (UTC)ALT2: ... that Hearst Castle was designed by Julia Morgan, "America's first truly independent female architect"? Source: Mark Anthony Wilson, Julia Morgan: Architect of Beauty (2012), isbn 978-1-423-63654-0, oclc 966008538, FrontispieceDoes it matter if someone denies the undeniable historical fact that Kane was modelled on Hearst? Let em get worked up. 〜 Festucalex • talk 07:03, 23 March 2023 (UTC) Well, that's an approach! KJP1 (talk) 13:24, 23 March 2023 (UTC)Reserving this. Very nice article (but many paras look long on our new narrow pc screens, & no doubt even more on mobile). Why not a pic for DYK? First hook may be the best. Johnbod (talk) 05:19, 29 March 2023 (UTC)   === Articles created/expanded on March 22 ===   ==== Capa House ====  ... that at Capa House (pictured), photographer Robert Capa took pictures of the last man to die in World War II? Source: https://static.wixstatic.com/media/ea23f5_5f03d31716f84cf8ab42629feef0b8ea~mv2_d_2606_1841_s_2.jpg/v1/fill/w_1560,h_1102,al_c,q_85,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/ea23f5_5f03d31716f84cf8ab42629feef0b8ea~mv2_d_2606_1841_s_2.webp ALT1: ... that the last man to die in the Second World War was photographed at Capa House? Source: https://static.wixstatic.com/media/ea23f5_5f03d31716f84cf8ab42629feef0b8ea~mv2_d_2606_1841_s_2.jpg/v1/fill/w_1560,h_1102,al_c,q_85,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/ea23f5_5f03d31716f84cf8ab42629feef0b8ea~mv2_d_2606_1841_s_2.webp Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/John Hoke III Comment: Should I also review another nomination, or is the re-review of John Hoke III acceptable?Created by Andreas Wolf 01 (talk). Nominated by Paul2520 (talk) at 16:23, 28 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Capa House; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.   ==== Soviet submarine K-68 ====  ... that the K-68, a Soviet-era submarine, could carry nuclear warheads, posing a significant threat during the peak of the Cold War? Source: Vilches Alarcón, pp. 12, 18, 22; Polmar & Noot, p. 289 Reviewed: [[]]Improved to Good Article status by Sturmvogel 66 (talk). Nominated by ULPS (talk) at 17:50, 24 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Soviet submarine K-68; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  Hook eligibility:  Cited: Y Interesting: N - nOverall:  @ULPS: Good article but the hook isn't that interesting. There are many submarines that hold nukes with many still around today. So that doesn't exactly make the hook any special so a new one should be proposed. Onegreatjoke (talk) 20:00, 24 March 2023 (UTC)   ==== Battle of Qnat ====  ... that a group of 44 Phalangist resistance fighters led by Samir Geagea killed hundreds of Syrian special units in the Battle of Qnat? Source: https://www.lebanese-forces.com/2014/12/05/knat-battle-pierre-jabboor/ (translated) purging the town of the remnants of the Syrian special units led by Dr. Samir Geagea. After the dust settled, hundreds of Syrian special units were killed.  ALT1: ... that a group of 44 Phalangist resistance fighters led by Samir Geagea stood up to a 3,000 strong Syrian battalion in the Battle of Qnat? Source: https://www.lebanese-forces.com/2014/12/05/knat-battle-pierre-jabboor/ ALT2: ... that the Battle of Qnat elevated Samir Geagea, the son of a peasant, to the ranks of the Maronite community's new elite? Source: https://repository.library.northeastern.edu/files/neu:1850/fulltext.pdf Page 75 Reviewed:Created by PalauanReich (talk). Self-nominated at 01:35, 24 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Battle of Qnat; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.   ==== Begleitungsmusik zu einer Lichtspielscene ====  ... that Arnold Schoenberg composed a film score to no film? Source: Arnold Schoenberg to Otto Klemperer: "I find your suggestion about the abstract film, after thinking it over and over, very tempting indeed, since it solves the problem of this '[film] music to no film'." (Arnold Schoenberg and the Cinematic Art by Sabine Feisst, p. 98) ALT1: ... that the US premiere of the Begleitungsmusik zu einer Lichtspielscene by Arnold Schoenberg was intentionally ignored by the Los Angeles Times and resulted in the firing of its conductor? Source: "The last important premiere of one of Schoenberg's orchestral works in America before his arrival there was of Begleitungsmusik zu einer Lichtspielscene [...] in Los Angeles in July 1933. [...] For the Los Angeles Philharmonic and the Hollywood Bowl audience, it was their first encounter with twelve-tone music [...] and [Nicolas] Slonimsky met with harsh resistance. [...] [H]e was fired after the Schoenberg performance. The Los Angeles Times abstained from reviewing the concert [...] (Schoenberg's New World: The American Years by Sabine Feisst, p. 26) Reviewed: Comment: QPQ to come soon.Created by CurryTime7-24 (talk). Self-nominated at 04:47, 22 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Begleitungsmusik zu einer Lichtspielscene; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  QPQ: N - Not doneOverall:  @CurryTime7-24: Good article. Just waiting on a QPQ. AGF on offline sources. Onegreatjoke (talk) 20:00, 22 March 2023 (UTC)   === Articles created/expanded on March 23 ===   ==== Jake Witt ====  ... that although he only had ten minutes to learn to play offensive lineman, college football player Jake Witt was able to successfully block against one of the best defenses in the country? Source: The Athletic ("As Jake Witt sat at his locker during halftime of a game against eventual Division II national champion Ferris State, he saw his coach coming toward him with a new jersey: No. 65. An offensive lineman's number. 'Oh no,' Witt thought. Injuries had ravaged Northern Michigan’s O-line and, out of necessity, the Wildcats needed their 6-foot-7, 265-pound tight end to fill in at right tackle. Witt had never played or practiced on the offensive line, but his size made him the next man up. 'After 10 minutes of coaching Jake to play a whole new position, he allowed zero sacks or pressures against the best defensive line in the country,' former Northern Michigan offensive coordinator and interim coach Dylan Chmura later said, via WLUC.") Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/pendingMoved to mainspace by BeanieFan11 (talk). Self-nominated at 19:38, 27 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Jake Witt; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.   ==== Vylet Pony ====  ... that Vylet Pony's popularity increased after her work was featured on The Needle Drop? Source: https://www.wweek.com/arts/2022/06/01/vylet-pony-learned-to-embrace-her-queer-identity-through-the-music-of-a-saturday-morning-cartoon/ Reviewed:Created by CJ-Moki (talk). Self-nominated at 04:56, 26 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Vylet Pony; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  I will review this one! — JuanGLP (talk + contribs) 22:47, 28 March 2023 (UTC)Hook eligibility:  Cited: Y Interesting: N - Explain more on Vylet Pony.Overall:  Earwig does have an unlikely violation copyvio score but it's for their music style, so it's all good there. Fix the citations from the article, and do a short explanation about Vylet Pony (for the hook). — JuanGLP (talk + contribs) 22:47, 28 March 2023 (UTC)  @JuanGLP: Why would I remove the citations and bibliography? The Pinky & Pepper Forever article uses a similar citation style. CJ-Moki (talk) 04:35, 29 March 2023 (UTC) @CJ-Moki: I checked some other pages, and I do see people citing like that. (I'm still new here.) For the hook, maybe who is Vylet Pony, like mention that they are a musician.   ==== Margery Jackson ====  ... that the Carlisle miser Margery Jackson, who chose to live like a pauper, possessed a fine court mantua dress (pictured)? Source: Tullie House Museum. "The (court mantua) dress originally belonged to Margery Jackson (1722-1812) who was born in Carlisle ... Her eccentric and miserly habits earned her a reputation." Reviewed: George Wythe BaylorMoved to mainspace by Storye book (talk). Self-nominated at 16:50, 24 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Margery Jackson; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  Erwig copyright check mistakenly seem to show copyvio of stevebulman.f9.co.uk but that does not seem correct. I checked some content and is duly taken from Blair, Frances (1848) so practically copyvio problem is unlikely.  Bookku    (talk) 14:23, 25 March 2023 (UTC)@Bookku: If you would care to look again at Earwig, you will see that all of the highlighted text (except common phrases and proper names) is in quotation marks or blockquotes. In the article, all of those quotations are fully cited. Therefore there is no confusion, no errors, and all is well. Storye book (talk) 20:48, 25 March 2023 (UTC)@Storye book: Very much agreed, I am on same page as of yours. I made note so as some one else should not get confused by looking just @ Erwig report. Actually I wanted to do evaluate and clear this DYK but I am finding my self busy in something else. cheers  Bookku    (talk) 02:33, 26 March 2023 (UTC)   === Articles created/expanded on March 24 ===   ==== William Y. Slack ====  ... that William Y. Slack (pictured) was dead when he was promoted to brigadier general? Source: Warner, p. 278. Can provide quote upon request Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Buchanan's Station Comment: QPQ is a nomination that is still ongoing as of the time that I'm nominating SlackImproved to Good Article status by Hog Farm (talk). Self-nominated at 01:41, 29 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/William Y. Slack; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.   ==== Victor Wembanyama ====  ... that Victor Wembanyama is regarded as one of the greatest NBA prospects of his generation, being described him as the most anticipated prospect since LeBron James in 2003? Source: https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/wemby-watch-victor-wembanyama-reaches-new-heights-but-just-how-tall-is-the-top-prospect-in-the-nba-draft/, https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/oct/06/victor-wembanyama-basketball-french-teenager-nba-draft, https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamzagoria/2022/10/06/18-year-old-frenchman-victor-wembanyama-being-hailed-as-the-single-greatest-prospect-in-nba-history/, https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/victor-wembanyama-nba-draft-prospect-lebron-james/tahdqvkwbib75ug33c6cfqe9, https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/16/sports/basketball/victor-wembanyama-nba-draft-2023.html Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/John Hart ElyImproved to Good Article status by Sportzeditz (talk). Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk) at 23:27, 28 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Victor Wembanyama; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  Hook eligibility:  Cited: Y Interesting: Y Other problems: N - The hook could be slightly corrected and trimmed.Overall:  @Onegreatjoke: I was the one who reviewed and promoted the article to GA, so I'm definitely willing to take over this nomination, as well! To be honest, everything looks fine, including your QPQ. I just think you could optimize the hook even more by focusing on the comparison between Wembanyama and Lebron, but this is mainly a suggestion, rather than a must. On a side note, was "being described him" a typo? That pronoun looks a bit weirdly-placed to me... Please, let me know what you think about this. Oltrepier (talk) 14:29, 29 March 2023 (UTC)   ==== Jean Mignon ====  ... that in the 16th-century etchings of Jean Mignon most figures have open mouths (example pictured)? Source: "The figural types are also typical... Almost all have open mouths" p. 271, in Boorsch, Suzanne, in Jacobson, Karen (ed), (often wrongly cat. as Georg Baselitz), The French Renaissance in Prints, 1994, Grunwald Center, UCLA, ISBN 0962816221 Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/comingCreated by Johnbod (talk). Self-nominated at 18:16, 28 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Jean Mignon; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.   ==== The Belnord ====  ... that a dispute at the Belnord apartment building in New York City was likened to the siege of Beirut? Source: Lavietes, Stuart (June 25, 2004). "Lillian Seril, 95, Dies; Landlord at Center of Rent Strike". The New York Times. ALT1: ... that a New York City official likened a dispute at the Belnord apartment building to the siege of Beirut? Source: Lavietes 2004 ALT2: ... that the owner of the Belnord apartment building in New York City bought free houses in Florida and Nevada for existing residents? Source: Lagnado, Lucette (July 3, 2001). "Old Notions: All-Natural Retirement Isn't So Easy, a Look At the Belnord Shows --- In a Luxury Building, a Duel Between Senior Services And a Landlord's Vision --- The Symbolism of Benches". The Wall Street Journal. ALT3: ... that the owner of the Belnord apartment building bought houses for residents, then rented out their old apartments? Source: Lagnado 2001 ALT4: ... that in the 1970s, residents of the Belnord in New York City had to sneak in refrigerators at night? Source: Harris, Elizabeth A. (October 21, 2013). "A Landmark Building With a Fraught History". The New York Times. ALT5: ... that residents of the Belnord in New York City had to sneak in refrigerators at night because the building's owner would not let them replace their appliances? Source: Harris 2013 Reviewed: QPQ pending5x expanded by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 14:14, 24 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/The Belnord; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  Hook eligibility:  Cited: ? Interesting: YQPQ: ?Review is incomplete - please fill in the "status" field @Epicgenius: Thanks for your work on the article. I have a couple of quetions. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 16:05, 24 March 2023 (UTC)  Should the infobox location be New York City rather than New York, New York? First hook is fine per the source, but in the article body compared the dispute to the siege of Beirut, "where one or both parties are shooting at us" to me implies that the speaker felt that parties were shooting at him and his department. However, looking at the first part of is quote ("I'm not going to get myself into a West Beirut situation, where one..), it seems he wanted to avoid that. ALT4 & ALT5 - I'm not seeing support for the hook in the archived version of the source. What's the relevant text from the source used for these? (accused others of infractions from illegal subletting to ripping out fixtures to installing appliances was the closest that I saw there. @BennyOnTheLoose: Thanks for the review. For ALT4 and ALT5, I accidentally provided the wrong source, which has now been fixed. I've also rephrased the article so that the "siege of Beirut" quip is clearer. I will do a QPQ soon. Epicgenius (talk) 16:51, 24 March 2023 (UTC) Thanks for expanding the article! I do think there's a possible opportunity for a quirky hook based on Only Murders in the Building, given that "the Building" is The Belnord, but I'm struggling to come up with something right now. Legoktm (talk) 01:48, 25 March 2023 (UTC) @Legoktm: My pleasure. And if you have any hook ideas related to Only Murders in the Building, feel free to add them. The six hooks I proposed above were just the things that jumped out at me. Epicgenius (talk) 17:02, 25 March 2023 (UTC)   === Articles created/expanded on March 25 ===   ==== Zayn al-Din Qaraja ====  ... that Zayn al-Din Qaraja was the founder of the Beylik of Dulkadir? Source: https://referenceworks.brillonline.com/entries/encyclopaedia-of-islam-3/dulkadir-COM_27743 ALT1: ... that Zayn al-Din Qaraja was imprisoned and executed by the Mamluk Sultanate after he declared the Beylik of Dulkadir Independent? Source: https://dergipark.org.tr/en/download/article-file/1725218 Pages 85-86 Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/2022 Bahamas BowlImproved to Good Article status by Aintabli (talk). Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk) at 15:20, 29 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Zayn al-Din Qaraja; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.   ==== Flight Deck (California's Great America) ====  ... that a man dropped his hat while riding Flight Deck and went to retrieve it but ended up dying after being struck by the foot of a rider? Source: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/24428251/the-san-francisco-examiner/ , https://www.newspapers.com/clip/109183022/man-dies-after-being-kicked-in-the-head/ , https://www.newspapers.com/clip/109279406/fatal-accident-at-theme-park/ Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Maria AdvocataImproved to Good Article status by Adog (talk). Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk) at 15:05, 29 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Flight Deck (California's Great America); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.   ==== Vladimir Cavarnali ====  ... that Vladimir Cavarnali, who edited a communist children's magazine (May 1948 cover pictured), had previously been a member of the fascist Crusade of Romanianism? Source: "Dela Cruciada Românismului", in Adevărul, September 10, 1936, p. 7 on his Crusade membership; the exact nuance of the Crusader ideology is a matter of some dispute, though a vast majority of sources (one quoted in this article as well) point to it being at least heavily inspired by Italian fascism. On his editing Licurici (and other such publications): Mihai Stoian, "Evocare tîrzie", in Gazeta Literară, Vol. XIII, Issue 31, August 1966, p. 7. ALT1: ... that the Bulgarian–Gagauz poet Vladimir Cavarnali, who sang his love for a Nogai Tatar lady, was once affiliated with the fascist Crusade of Romanianism? Source: On his ethnicity: Anatol Măcriș, Găgăuzii, pp. 104, 128–129. Bucharest: Editura Paco, 2008 (a reasonable source, though not the most prestigious, Măcriș cites on this topic a previous study by scholar Eleonora Hotineanu, as well as his own research. The Nogai-themed poem in Alexandru Burlacu, "Istoria literaturii. Vladimir Cavarnali: poezia faustică", in Metaliteratură, Vol. X, Issues 1–4, 2010, pp. 125–126. Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Casum sentit dominus Comment: Special holding area suggestion: It would be great if the picture hook, if selected, gets a slot on May Day, which is what the cover illustrates.Created by Dahn (talk). Self-nominated at 07:40, 29 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Vladimir Cavarnali; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.   ==== Eduard Hamm ====  ... that Eduard Hamm was arrested by the Gestapo in 1944 following the July 20 Plot and took his own life on September 23, 1944, by jumping out of a window during a Gestapo interrogation? Source: https://www.gdw-berlin.de/en/recess/biographies/index_of_persons/biographie/view-bio/eduard-hamm/?no_cache=1 Reviewed:Created by Dudu90 (talk). Self-nominated at 23:32, 25 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Eduard Hamm; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.   In its current form, this article suffers from a usual problem as a translation from the German Wikipedia: the referencing requirements of the English Wikipedia are far stricter. As a minimum, DYK rules stipulate that every paragraph must have at least one citation. Most paragraphs are unreferenced. Please ping me if you want to tackle this problem; in its current state, this article cannot be passed. Schwede66 01:19, 26 March 2023 (UTC)   ==== Tyrrhenika ====  ... that Roman emperor Claudius was so proud of his work about the Etruscans that he had it regularly read to the public in the Library of Alexandria? Source: Briquel (1988), p. 218 ALT1: ... that marriage to Plautia Urgulanilla may have helped Claudius get first-hand information for his work about the Etruscans, Tyrrhenika? Source: Briquel (1988b), p. 448 Reviewed: I will do it asapCreated by Alessandro57 (talk). Self-nominated at 17:21, 25 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Tyrrhenika; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  I liked this article a lot. It is well-written, seemingly well-sourced, and rather exciting. I have taken the liberty of only slightly adjusting English in the proposed hooks. If you disagree, please revert. In any case, I am shocked that this is an entirely new article, considering the extent of coverage in reliable sources. It is big enough and I suspect there is room for further growth in the future. I do not see any copyright issues. I do have some questions:  Does the cited source really say that Claudius married Urgulanilla because of his interest in Etruscans? I do not see it in the one page that is visible to me. Her grandmother's distant descent from Etruscans seems like a very far-fetched reason to marry Urgulanilla. Why would pedantry and erudition lead to a work of little value? This source is accessible and appears to say that one scholar, Momigliano, presumed Tyrrhenika to have been derivative because Claudius's interest were all over the place, and does not blame pedantry or erudition. Should we not name Briquel as the person who disagrees with Momigliano's assessment? We seem to accept Briquel's judgement as superior to Momigliano's and I am not certain that we should. One of the sources, the Etruscan Corner, seems to be markedly inferior in quality to the rest. Is it self-published? What is the name of the author?I am looking forward to your reply! Surtsicna (talk) 18:16, 27 March 2023 (UTC)   === Articles created/expanded on March 26 ===   ==== Friedrichshafen FF.19 ====  ... that the Friedrichshafen FF.19 became the first German aircraft to conduct successful tests with wireless telegraphy? Source: Borzutzki, Siegfried (1993). Flugzeugbau Friedrichshafen GmbH: Diplom-Ingenieur Theodor Kober [Friedrichshafen Aircraft Company: Diploma-Engineer Theodore Kober] (in German). Berlin: Burbach. ISBN 3-927513-60-1. Page 97. Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/AmmonihahImproved to Good Article status by Sturmvogel 66 (talk). Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk) at 15:34, 29 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Friedrichshafen FF.19; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.   ==== The Noble Fisherman ====  ... that in the 17th-century ballad The Noble Fisherman, Robin Hood eschews the forest for the sea? Source: Really anything, but https://d.lib.rochester.edu/teams/text/robin-hoods-fishing-introduction works.  ("Rymes of Robin Hood" is more direct about the oddity of Robin Hood at sea.) ALT1: ... that Robin Hood somehow finds himself fighting French pirates in The Noble Fisherman? Source: https://d.lib.rochester.edu/teams/text/robin-hoods-fishing-introduction "He is very poor at that trade, but proves his heroic quality with the bow and sword when a French pirate ship tries to steal the catch." ALT2: ... that Robin Hood's fishing skills leave much to be desired, but his archery is still unmatched in the ballad The Noble Fisherman? Source: https://d.lib.rochester.edu/teams/text/robin-hoods-fishing-introduction "He is very poor at that trade, but proves his heroic quality with the bow and sword when a French pirate ship tries to steal the catch. " Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Marie-Julien Dunand5x expanded by SnowFire (talk). Self-nominated at 03:19, 28 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/The Noble Fisherman; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  Comment: Since I know people might ask - it's a bit of a mess, but as best I can tell, ballads generally have neither italics nor quotation marks.  Since they're songs or short poems, it seems like quotation marks should be called for by MOS:T, but that doesn't appear very commonly in the sources.  That said, some WP articles on ballads italicize them, so...  shrug emoji, not a clear case. SnowFire (talk) 03:26, 28 March 2023 (UTC)   ==== Arthur Dantchik ====  ... that two Americans, Jeff Yass and Arthur Dantchik are large funders of the Kohelet Policy Forum, an  intellectual driving force of the controversial 2023 Israeli judicial reform package? Source: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-02-01/ty-article/.premium/hartman-institute-received-funds-from-u-s-billionaires-funding-attack-on-israeli-courts/00000186-0d9d-db1b-a1ce-cddde8ed0000 Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Yitzhak Weinstein-BranovskyCreated by Longhornsg (talk). Self-nominated at 20:13, 27 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Arthur Dantchik; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.   ==== Achaemenid royal inscriptions ====  ... that the initial decipherment of cuneiform was based on the Achaemenid royal inscriptions from Persepolis? Source: Mousavi, Ali (2012-03-14). "VI. PERSEPOLIS AND THE PUZZLE OF THE CUNEIFORM INSCRIPTIONS". Persepolis. DE GRUYTER. pp. 113–122. doi:10.1515/9781614510338.113. In this way, the exploration of the ancient ruins at Persepolis proved to be one important key to the development of historical and archaeological studies in the first half of the nineteenth century. Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/HummingbirdCreated by Onceinawhile (talk), पाटलिपुत्र (talk) and Falten-Jura (talk). Nominated by Onceinawhile (talk) at 20:56, 26 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Achaemenid royal inscriptions; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  Note: This is a replacement for Template:Did you know nominations/Decipherment of cuneiform scripts, as the other article was deemed not currently eligible. Onceinawhile (talk) 20:59, 26 March 2023 (UTC)   ==== Lynch/Oz ====  ... that the documentary Lynch/Oz incorporates hundreds of film clips to illustrate the influence of The Wizard of Oz on the work of filmmaker David Lynch (pictured)? Source: "With its impressive array of hundreds of film clips..." "Philippe illustrates their insights with endless rolling montages of movie clips, and of course by pinpointing the key visual examples of Lynch/”Oz” connection." Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Erika ThompsonMoved to mainspace by Οἶδα (talk). Self-nominated at 11:54, 26 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Lynch/Oz; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  I'll review this one! MyCatIsAChonk (talk) 17:41, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Policy compliance:  Adequate sourcing: N - Added three citation needed tags under "Synopsis" Neutral: Y Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: YQPQ: N - Need a QPQOverall:  I'll note that Earwig gave a relatively high score on some articles, but it's all quotations and names, so it's all good here. Need a QPQ and citation needed tags to be filled and we'll be all good. MyCatIsAChonk (talk) 17:52, 26 March 2023 (UTC)  Ping for Οἶδα MyCatIsAChonk (talk) 17:53, 26 March 2023 (UTC) MyCatIsAChonk Thank you for reviewing! I have personally created only two DYK nominations in the past. This will be my third. However, I have gone ahead and reviewed one other nomination. I have also fixed the inline citation issue caused by a paragraph break which left the latter portion of the first paragraph unreferenced. Οἶδα (talk) 06:20, 27 March 2023 (UTC)   === Articles created/expanded on March 27 ===   ==== Drag Isn't Dangerous ====  ... that Drag Isn't Dangerous is a charitable telethon set to be hosted by numerous drag queens to fight against the Tennessee drag ban bill? Source: https://www.out.com/drag/drag-isnt-dangerous-telethon#rebelltitem1 https://www.them.us/story/drag-isnt-drangerous-telethon-bans Reviewed:Created by JuanGLP (talk). Self-nominated at 16:24, 27 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Drag Isn't Dangerous; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  I'll review this! MyCatIsAChonk (talk) 13:40, 28 March 2023 (UTC)Overall:  I'll note that Earwig shows a somewhat high copyvio score but it's for the RuPaul quote on most of the sources, so it's all good there. Nicely done! MyCatIsAChonk (talk) 13:49, 28 March 2023 (UTC) Comment: @MyCatIsAChonk, thank you very much!! — JuanGLP (talk + contribs) 22:15, 28 March 2023 (UTC)   ==== Death (Melanie Martinez song) ====  ... that Melanie Martinez's song, "Death", was her first chart hit over a decade? Source: https://www.latestly.com/socially/entertainment/death-by-melanie-martinez-debuts-at-95-on-the-hot-100-it-marks-her-first-latest-tweet-by-pop-crave-5000263.html https://www.billboard.com/artist/melanie-martinez/chart-history/hsi/ Reviewed: Vylet PonyConverted from a redirect by JuanGLP (talk). Self-nominated at 18:23, 28 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Death (Melanie Martinez song); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  Original: "... that Melanie Martinez's song, "Death", debuts at #95 on the Billboard Hot 100, making it her first appearance since her time on The Voice?" ALT 1: "... that Melanie Martinez's song, "Death", was her first chart hit over a decade, since The Voice?" ALT 2: "... that Melanie Martinez's song, "Death", was her first chart hit over a decade?" ALT 3: "... that Melanie Martinez's song, "Death", was her first chart hit on the Billboard Hot 100, over a decade?" There is a maintenance tag on the "Music video" section. Also, I'm not sure the hook is particularly catching, charting at number 95 is not a significant achievement (compared to, say, top five). Maybe instead have a hook that says it was her first chart hit in over a decade? Also, a QPQ is required. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 19:26, 28 March 2023 (UTC)@Ritchie333, I do not know what's a QPQ, and I have put three alternatives. If you would like to give it a try, add one. — JuanGLP (talk + contribs) 22:05, 28 March 2023 (UTC) QPQ is "Quid pro quo" ie: review a nomination when you add a new one, although I see you've now done this. I like ALT2 the best. There's still the issue of the "unsourced" tag on the article. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:35, 29 March 2023 (UTC) @Ritchie333, I changed the hook and the "unsourced" tag has been fixed. — JuanGLP (talk + contribs) 14:47, 29 March 2023 (UTC)  Okay, that should be sufficient to get on the main page now. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:05, 29 March 2023 (UTC)   ==== Testimonies (novel) ====  ... that years before Patrick O'Brian published Master and Commander, the first novel in his Aubrey–Maturin series, he had already used the surnames Aubrey and Maturin in his 1952 novel Testimonies? Source: Jessica Mann, "Fatal Triangle" [31] The Sunday Telegraph. pp. Books, Review, 10. Text reads "Now re-issued as Testimonies, it is O'Brian's first book, similar to the contemporary work only in the perfection of its prose and the brief appearance of the names Aubrey and Maturin, later re-used for his naval heroes." Reviewed:Improved to Good Article status by MichaelMaggs (talk). Self-nominated at 17:13, 28 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Testimonies (novel); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  Hook eligibility:  Cited: Y Interesting: N - nOverall:  @MichaelMaggs: Good article but, I don't really find the hook all that interesting. Can you create a new hook? Onegreatjoke (talk) 20:16, 28 March 2023 (UTC)  Onegreatjoke, OK, will have a think tomorrow. The hook would I think be of significant interest to the many readers of Patrick O'Brian's majestic 20-volume Aubrey-Maturin series of historical novels, but I can understand that we may need something of more universal appeal. MichaelMaggs (talk) 21:12, 28 March 2023 (UTC)It seems like it does this book a disservice to only mention it in comparison to O'Brien's later (and more famous) works.  So, I'm thinking of hooks which treat the subject on its own.  Maybe something like:ALT1: ... that although Patrick O'Brien's 1952 novel Testimonies was reviewed poorly in his native England, it earned high praise in the United States? ALT2: ... that Patrick O'Brien's 1952 novel Testimonies got reviews ranging from "clumsy in construction to the point of amateurishness" to "rare and beautiful"? Both of those look good. My preference would be for ALT2, but I'd be happy with either. MichaelMaggs (talk) 08:31, 29 March 2023 (UTC)   ==== Logic translation ====  ... that logic translations can be used to analyze whether arguments expressed in ordinary language are correct? Source: Baumgartner, Michael; Lampert, Timm (September 2008). "Adequate formalization". Synthese. 164 (1): 93–4. doi:10.1007/s11229-007-9218-1. The problem of adequately transforming statements of natural language into the formalism of standard propositional or predicate logic is a problem most students of logic encounter without being presented with satisfactory solutions. ... Nevertheless, formalizations are frequently used as a means to reconstruct arguments or to prove theorems ... Proofs involving the transformation of ordinary language to a formalism, such as validity proofs of ordinary language arguments or proofs of metamathematical theorems, are convincing only if they rely on a systematic understanding of the adequacy of the formalizations resorted to. ALT1: ... that an intermediary step in logic translations is to create hybrid expressions that use ordinary vocabulary in logical formulas? Source: Peregrin, Jaroslav; Svoboda, Vladimír (2016). "Logical Formalization and the Formation of Logic(s)". Logique et Analyse (233): 60–1, 63, 77. ISSN 0024-5836. (HF1) "∀x (Is-a-donkey(x) → Has-ears(x)) ... The problem with this suggestion is obvious: we would have to explain what kind of formula (HF1) is and to which language it belongs. If the terms Is-a-donkey and Has-ears are expressions just borrowed from natural language, then (HF1) is not really a formula of any of the usual logical languages. In fact, it is no more a formula of CPL than it is an English sentence. Though it is easily readable for any English speaker acquainted with basic logical symbols, it combines expressions that do not really fit together. It might seem that it would be possible to establish a hybrid language that would combine logical symbols with natural language expressions in the way (HF1) does ... The next step is then relatively easy – it involves a transformation of this paraphrase into an expression of the "hybrid" kind of language mentioned above ... We often proceed by paraphrasing and by "translating" the sentence into a formula of a kind of hybrid language, from which we then can abstract away the (extralogical) remnants of natural language Reviewed: (second DYK submission)Created by Phlsph7 (talk). Self-nominated at 08:57, 28 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Logic translation; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.   ==== Frank LeMaster ====  ... that as a college football player, Frank LeMaster changed from being a fullback to the starting halfback, to reserve halfback, to tight end, to linebacker, back to halfback and then linebacker again? Source: The Courier-Journal ("And he recalled his early college career. 'I was a fullback my whole freshman year,' said the 6-foot-2, 220-pound LeMaster. 'In my sophomore year, we introduced the Wishbone offense and I started at halfback the first two games. I only got to carry the ball 10 times and I averaged four yards but apparently that wasn't good enough ... I went about three games as a reserve halfback and they switched me to tight end ... Then they switched me to linebacker. Then they moved me back to halfback. And then they moved me to linebacker again.'") Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/pending5x expanded by BeanieFan11 (talk). Self-nominated at 19:53, 27 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Frank LeMaster; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  Reviewing for quid pro quo. Mgrē@sŏn (Talk) 23:26, 28 March 2023 (UTC)Review not started   ==== List of The Last of Us (TV series) characters, Music of The Last of Us (TV series) ====  ... that original game composer Gustavo Santaolalla (pictured) returned to compose the music of The Last of Us, while original game actors Troy Baker and Ashley Johnson returned to play different characters? Source: Collider, The Hollywood Reporter ALT1: ... that music in The Last of Us was repeated throughout the series to remind viewers of different characters? Source: HBO: 25:25 , HBO: 40:25 , Mashable ALT2: ... that the soundtrack for The Last of Us features a song performed by Nick Offerman (pictured), who played a character in the series? Source: Pitchfork Reviewed: Recreational drug use in animals, Ash Street shootout Comment: Image of Santaolalla with ALT0, Offerman with ALT2.Created by Rhain (talk). Self-nominated at 00:39, 27 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/List of The Last of Us (TV series) characters; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.   === Articles created/expanded on March 28 ===   ==== John Green ====  ... that author John Green fundraises for Partners In Health by selling coffee, socks, and shirts with an image of his mustachioed face? Source: [32] [33][34] ALT1: ... that in addition to writing the best-selling book of 2014, John Green is the co-creator of both VidCon and Crash Course? Source: [35][36][37] ALT2: ... that John Green was partially inspired to write The Fault in Our Stars by a Nerdfighter named Esther Earl? Source: [38] ALT3: ... that author John Green fundraises for Partners In Health by selling shirts with an image of his mustachioed face called "Pizza John"? Source:[39] Reviewed:Improved to Good Article status by Cerebral726 (talk). Self-nominated at 13:17, 29 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/John Green; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.   ==== Taiari / Chalky Inlet ====  ... that according to Māori legend, the inner arms of Taiari / Chalky Inlet were created when the demigod Māui slipped over? Source: Kā Huru Manu ("There are two accounts of how Māui created the Sound. The first states that Māui slipped over and fell forward, causing both of his arms to instinctively extend out, creating Moana-whenua-pōuri and Te Korowhakaunu.") ALT1: ... that in 2022, over 100 traps were set to catch a single stoat on an otherwise predator-free island in Taiari / Chalky Inlet? Source: Department of Conservation ("The stoat on Chalky Island has been seen on-camera, but so far has avoided the 100 stoat traps that have been set.") ALT2: ... that photos taken in Taiari / Chalky Inlet by Alfred Henry Burton contributed to support for establishing Fiordland National Park? Source: Te Papa ("His Views of Fiordland helped to convince authorities to have the area set aside as a national park.") Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Drake (musician)Improved to Good Article status by Turnagra (talk). Self-nominated at 08:17, 29 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Taiari / Chalky Inlet; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.  Hook eligibility:  Cited: N - n Interesting: YOverall:  @Turnagra: Good article. But, there's a hook citation problems. Alt2 doesn't even mention the chalky inlet so I can't verify that hook in there. Either tell me where it mentions the inlet or get rid of the hook. Onegreatjoke (talk) 13:41, 29 March 2023 (UTC)   ==== That's 60s ====  ... that the first song played on That's 60s was the same as BBC Radio 1 over 55 years earlier, and both by Tony Blackburn? Source: "As he did when he launched Radio 1 back in 1967, Tony chose the song Flowers in the Rain by The Move as the first track to play on That’s 60s." [40] Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Death (Melanie Martinez song)Created by Ritchie333 (talk). Self-nominated at 19:32, 28 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/That's 60s; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.   ==== Abdillah (Indonesian politician) ====  ... that although he ran against a candidate backed by that party, Abdillah was elected mayor of Medan, Indonesia by PDI-P city councillors? Source: Hadiz, Vedi (2010). Localising Power in Post-Authoritarian Indonesia: A Southeast Asia Perspective. pp. 123–124. Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Gouzenko Affair Comment: Skirting around BLP rules here.Created by Juxlos (talk). Self-nominated at 14:26, 28 March 2023 (UTC). 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