Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sir Keith Arbuthnot, 8th Baronet
after some hesitation.  This is a difficult issue: it is clear from the discussions about the proposed Wikipedia:Notability (royalty) guidelines that there is cuurently no consensus either way about whether hereditary nobility itself confers a presumption of notability.Some of the arguments in this AFD discussion appear to me to be concerning themselves with whether people approve or disapprove of the system of honours and nobility. That's irrelevant: I'm sure that all of us can pints to huge swathes of Wikipedia which cover things we dislike, disapprove of, or think are over-rated.Other parts of the discussion appear to be a re-run of the arguments which were (or should have been) made wrt to the rejected guideline.  I think it would have been useful to have some guideline, whatever it said, to avoid re-inventing the wheel each time this issue arises; but there isn't one, and there's no point proceeding as if we are devising a guideline on either heredity or nobility.  Without a special guideline we have to fall back to assessing ''this particular article'' under  and .It seems to me that the 8th Baronet here is a marginal case wrt to : numerous entries in works on nobility and a Who's Who entry seem to me to go a long way to meeting , but without unambiguously getting there.  The discussion above includes well-reasoned arguments both for against this baronet meeting .As to , I can't find anything there which suggests that this is a special case.However, I am persuaded by the arguments above by Charles01: "Whatever you think about the British honours system (... I myself find it significantly batty and, on a serious note, potentially corrupting) it is a part of public life in the UK that seems to interest plenty of folks in UK and anglophone places which used to be 'owned' by UK. These guys enjoy disproportionate influence".That's what clinches it for me: the fact of being the latest title-holder in a family which includes several notable people and apperas to somewhat influential. However, I don't think that ''all'' baronets pass that test: not all families of baronets have anyone notable, and plenty of baronetcies were sold by Maundy Gregory or awarded to otherwise obscure people who happened to find favour with the government of the day
— User:BrownHairedGirl, 20:38, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Stance: keep
Cited policy: WP:NN||WP:BIO||WP:NN||WP:NN||WP:NN||WP:BIO (Wikipedia:Notability)