Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arbuthnot family
per #Wikipedia_is_not_a_directory| a directory and . The article as it stands is simply a list of family members, and amounts to little more than a simplified family tree, so fails .  I would not object in principle to an article which substantively discussed the family's history, provided that the sources were not simply directories of gentry and family memoirs; the current article fails  because the listed sources are simply two family websites.  If (per ) there are reliable, non-trivial and ''independent'' sources discussing the family ''as a whole'', than an article on the family would be a clear keep.  However, the only source which I am aware of giving substantive consideration to the family as a whole (rather than to individual family members) is "Memoirs of the Arbuthnots", which fails the independence test because it is written by a family member.  Many of the individual family members receive mentions in Who's Who or Debrett's etc, but even if we consider those sources indepemdent and non-trivial (discussions at WT:N were a very long way from agreeing to that proposition), collating them all to create an article on a family starts to look rather like OR. But that's another day's work: there has been so much discussion of articles on this family that we should not keep the article in the hope of suitable sources appearing; if they existed, I think that we are entitled to assume that they would have surfaced by now.BTW, please please please could editors try to restrict this discussion to testing this article against WP policies and guidelines? The personal acrimony, allegations and counter-allegations above do nothing to assist a decision on the after of this article, and in several places this AfD is sufficiently acrimonious that editors who don't enjoy a usenet-style flame war are likely to be deterred from participating. , PA please; as they say in football, play the ball not the man. Thanks
— User:BrownHairedGirl, 11:17, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Stance: delete
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