Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Believers (film)
I have never seen an AfD synopsis so carefuly set up... but '''cursory''' is the operative word. The nom stating "five reviews of no note or national standing or significance" is opinion.  A more thorough search found http://www.johnnymessner.net/id19.htm johnnumessner.net, http://www.brightcove.tv/title.jsp?title=1133256624&channel=212357877 brightcove.tv, http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2007/06/21/myrick/ minnesota.publicradio.org, http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/06/26/daniel-myricks-believers-movie-trailer/ slashfilm.com, http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/06/26/daniel-myricks-believers-movie-trailer/ moviesunlimited.com, http://saturdayfrightspecial.blogspot.com/2007/12/believers-2007-d-daniel-myrick.html saturdayfrightspecial.com, http://openguys.org/films/2007/09/06/believers-daniel-myrick/ openguys.org, http://classic-horror.com/newsreel/believers_director_daniel_myrick_interview classic-horror.com, http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/news/9053 bloody-disgusting.com, http://www.dreadcentral.com/daniel-myrick dreadcentral.com, http://www.moviesandgamesonline.co.uk/xcart/product.php?productid=91308 moviesandgamesonline.co.uk, http://tf.org/filmcard/1234 tf.org, https://www.lovefilm.com/browse/contributor/93131/www.lovefilm.com lovefilm.com, https://www.lovefilm.com/browse/contributor/93131/www.lovefilm.com movieweb.com, http://dvd.ign.com/dor/objects/954081/believers-unrated/videos/believers_danielmyrick_072807.html dvd.ign.com, and dozens upon dozens more. This film is getting tremendous coverage for a direct-to-dvd film. Since the level of "coverage" is directly dependent on the notability of the film itself, and ignoring the "tertiary" ref to IMDB,  and  per ,  and  have more than been established. All other "arguments" claiming non-notability are taken from various parts of ,  and  in sections that indicate that '''IF''' these attributes exist, then sources proving notability might likley exist... as an encouragemnet for an editor to be diligent in proving notability. It does not say they '''must''' exist in order for notability to be proven, only that their existance would be indicative of sources existing. Believers (film) is not Star Wars, so a full-length newspaper review is unlikely... specially in this age of everything being online. Stating that the "The film appears not to be widely distributed in the US and it has not received full length reviews by two or more nationally known critics" is incorrect, as any film being offered for sale through the internet has a '''worldwide''' distribution. With it being "straight-to-dvd", bringing up a lack of box office or opening weekend news is a non-argument. Calling the film "not historically notable" because it has been out for less than a year, is not about history, nor has had time to become history, is a non-argument. The dozens upon dozens of sources I discovered with a '''non-cursory''' search, show that the film is indeed considered notable by film critics and movie professionals who have the experience in their field so as to be able to make that judgement. That an 11-month-old film has not itself been featured in a documentary or retrospective is a non-argument. That an 11-month-old film has not received an award of some sort is a non-argument. That the film has not been selected for preservation in a national archive is both an unknown and a non-argument. That the 11-month-old film is not part of a college sylabus is a non-argument. That an 11-month-old film is not "YET" known to be "unique" or a "milestone" or "significant" to cinema, in the U.S. or elsewhere, is a non-argument, as it is too soon to be able to make that statement. That the film does not have "actors of note" is a non-argument, as a film's notability is not dependent upon the actor's notability and '''12''' of the film's actors are notable enough to have articles on Wikipedia. Quoting guidelines in a AfD is fine. Understanding the guidelnes is better
— User:MichaelQSchmidt, 23:12, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
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Cited policy: WP:NF||WP:N||WP:GNG||WP:RS||WP:V||WP:N||WP:NF||WP:GNG (Wikipedia:Notability)