Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Randy Lane
I have actually brought this exact issue up in the past on how to determine notability when someone is not a member of a "band" and have been told by admins that the same core guideline applies for all articles - ''If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article'' (). This makes sense and also follows the concept that "notability is not inherited". The '''one''' exception, in regards to music, is found at |Criteria for musicians and ensembles, number 6, which states ''Contains at least one notable musician; note that it is often most appropriate to use redirects in place of articles on side projects, early bands and such, and that common sense exceptions always apply''. In this case common sense would tell us that, on the Pat Travers article, it might be fine to include a list of musicians he has worked with, however not each musician should have their own article '''unless''' that musician has had ''significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject''. By all accounts, in this case, the subject of this article has '''not''' received "Significant coverage" (''means that sources address the subject directly in detail, and no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than trivial but may be less than exclusive'' - . An in depth article in ''Modern Drummer'' would qualify as "Significant coverage", a one line press release that says "Randy Lane has been touring with Pat Travers and will soon be recording a new disc with the guitarist" would not. Likewise, again based on the exact same criteria, being a member of a "notable" band does not allow every person to automatically receive their own article. The Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Additional criteria|Additional criteria that can be used for all biographies are either ''The person has received a notable award or honor, or has been often nominated for them'' or ''The person has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in his or her specific field'' Currently there are not enough sources to show that the subject of this article meets either of these criteria. I would support a redirect to the band he was a member of for five years, No Address. A redirect to either Pat Travers or Carolina Liar would not make sense as Randy was '''not a member of either band''', he was hired (or a "non-member member" if you will) and worked with Pat Travers during 2007 and was hired as the fill in drummer for Carolina Liar for a few months in 2008. As of October 28 Randy is not playing with them anymore as Max Grahn, Carolina Liars' drummer, is back. (From the bands tour blog - ''Max is Back!!! Randy Lane has been a huge help to us while Max was back in Sweden so we wanted to say thank you again for all of his help and wisdom! Max joined up with us yesterday in Denver and tonight at Sokol is his first show back. Nothing to crazy has happened with us in the last few days but I should review the tapes to see if some how I've forgotten something. I hope to see you guys tonight !!'' - Tuesday, October 28, 2008 ''NOTE'': I tired to provide the direct link but the Wikipedia SPAM filter seems ot have blacklisted myspace blogs
— User:Soundvisions1, 01:23, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Stance: delete
Cited policy: WP:GNG||WP:MUSICBIO||WP:SNG (Wikipedia:Notability)