Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Average frustrated chump (4th nomination)
Usenet, one of the sources for the article, is not really a RS, even if it is a moderated list.   A moderator is not the same as an editor.  It's more of a  see also the essay point on .  Per , "To support the use of (or an article about) a particular term we must cite reliable secondary sources such as books and papers about the term, not books and papers that use the term."  I don't think the Times and Sun meet that criteria.  Also "the seminal (peacock?) Cliff's List definition"?  Is that site a RS?  It doesn't look like one
— User:Schizombie, 05:53, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
Stance: comment
Cited policy: WP:SPS||WP:USENET||WP:NEO (Wikipedia:Verifiability)