Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Collapse (medical)
This is not a topic. That is to say, this article does not have a well-defined scope. I am thoroughly unconvinced by the argument that it should be kept because {{tq|It is a significant and common symptom.}}, because it's not—it's an ambiguous term which could refer to one of several things. As the nomination notes it is {{tq|devoid of any standard medical meaning}}, and what it refers in any particular context may range from loss of postural tone without loss of consciousness to presyncope (for anyone who cannot access https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27107684/, it says {{tq|Collapse or synonymous presyncope were defined as transient alteration of consciousness, but without complete loss of consciousness}})—in other words, it might refer to a loss of postural tone without altered consciousness or conversely altered consciousness without loss of postural tone. That means that from a medical point of view, two cases of "collapse" may not have any characteristics whatsoever in common.{{pb}}I think the comparison made with blackout is particularly apt–vastly dissimilar conditions that may be referred to with the same inexact/ambiguous term. The idea that {{tq|A prose article with links to longer articles is a better way to handle this than having items listed on a disambiguation page.}} seems misguided to me, not to mention contrary to  ({{tq|In Wikipedia, things are grouped into articles based on what they are, not what they are called by.}})—I don't think anyone would propose creating a prose article called blackout (medical) to replace blackout#Medicine. For that matter, elevated body temperature ''is'' a {{tq|significant and common symptom}} (well, technically it's a ''Signs and symptoms|sign''), and some of the other arguments that have been presented in favour of retaining this article could equally well be adapted to argue in favour of creating elevated body temperature, but medically we distinguish between fever and hyperthermia and those are the appropriate articles to have, not elevated body temperature. Likewise, reddening of the skin is a common and significant feature of a variety of clinical conditions, caused by a variety of different mechanisms, and these can be distinguished by other indicators (such as the presence or absence of macroscopic skin defects along with the characteristics of those defects, whether applying pressure makes the redness recede, and so on). It would be preposterous to propose creating a prose article called red skin (medical) on the grounds that "erythema is not a |common name and red skin might have other causes such as hematoma" (to paraphrase an argument advanced above). Put simply, it is a bad idea to have medical articles for these kinds of vague, inexact, imprecise, ambiguous, and/or ill-defined terms.{{pb}}I don't think redirecting to Syncope (medicine) is appropriate, for two reasons. Firstly because it is a poor match for the stand-alone term "collapse" in medical contexts (as noted above), and secondly because when the term "collapse" is used in medical contexts, it is usually a specified type of collapse (which should have some kind of modifier, but the modifier may be omitted if context makes it clear what is meant) such as circulatory/hemodynamic/cardiovascular collapse, airway collapse, or vertebral collapse rather than the general "collapse". These factors combine to make it an inappropriate redirect inasmuch as it makes it more difficult to find the content one is looking for.{{pb}}I see three valid options here: (1) delete this article without changing collapse, (2) delete this article and change collapse per {{u|NikosGouliaros}}'s
— User:NikosGouliaros, 02:21, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
Stance: comment
Cited policy: WP:NOTDIC||WP:COMMONNAME (Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a dictionary)