Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lyall Howard (2nd nomination)
reluctant to support deletion due to the amount of animosity that will result at the JH article, noting I did try to have this article included in an RFC over John Howard, but like all issues around JH there are too many editors with extreme POV that forget we are writing an encyclopedia from an |neutral point of view.  I withdrew the original nomination saying ''Withdrawn by nominator while I still have concerns about notability,'' part of that was about trying to find some middle ground over the plantations issues this articles appeared to be a good solution. For what its worth the chance meeting in WWI wasnt as uncommon as it was reported to be in the papers 80 years after the event, something I've only recently discovered. Future Western Australian Premier Ross McLarty who was recovering from injuries in London had a chance meeting with his brother Douglas who was in London recovering pneumonia they met while walking down the street, where as the Howard meeting was when one Australian battalion was replacing another. IMHO the Howard meeting would have been as much a chance meeting as it was a contrived meeting because both would have known the battalion each other was in and when battalions crossed paths they like many other men would have searched for family/friends  The Plantation issues are something that is interesting but it should be in an article about the whole distribution of German assets received by Australia at the end of WWI, the amount of land that Lyall obtained was insignificant. His association with the plantations was only used in an opinion piece to disparage John Howards assertions that he came from a working class background. Coverage in this article does enable more detail and highlights the insignificance of this, initially that wasnt the case with this article which was why I nominated it the first time. So my conclusion is that while Lyall isnt self notable, the article does have enough content to be a daughter article. As a daughter article it can address concerns in relation to  with John Howard by presenting the full plantation issue, with the other information just being interesting points to round out an article
— User:Gnangarra, 11:22, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Stance: comment
Cited policy: WP:NPOV||WP:BLP (Wikipedia:Neutral point of view)