Edited sentence: As long as people are "opened" and cannot be "closed" they are "Subud people" -just non-memebers if they do not claim to be, or iso;lated members if they have to be.Bapak's words, in  March1963, were stated as "this latihan kejiwaan that you  do now is not something new".I deny that these people are "not Subud", as the organisation has the chance to call them "Isolated Members", especially if, as I do, they claim the right ot that status, as members do who live in isolated places.If Bapak's interp[reter, MAs usman, in 1968, used that phrase, then wherer is it right to ignore it.If just one person believes that the latihan is losing it's ewffectiveness, and so does his or her latihan with other "opened" people, outside the groups set up for Subud, then that constitutes a schism, perhaps.If prayer means "worship to God" then why can that not be respected as the inner nature of Subud latihan.In this context I include "Have to be" as people who are not tolerted by the "official" membership-for whatever reason.Subud latihan is Subud Latihan- and that, is that.That is a situation already existing