Original: Thornton 1995 Ken Gelder argued in 2007 that subcultures are social , with their own shared conventions , values and rituals , but they can also seem '' immersed '' or self-absorbed ; a feature that distinguishes them from countercultures .
Simplified: As Ken Gelder notes , subcultures are social , with their own shared rules , values and rituals , but they can also seem self-involved -- another thing that makes them different from countercultures .