Belich Camilla; Kuriger BarbaraCAMILLA BELICH (Labour): Thank you very much for the call Madam Chair. And as an Auckland-based MP I am really pleased to be able to have a call on the Watercare section of this bill. I do have a number of questions which I don't think have been yet addressed by the Minister—and just note that for the purposes of this section the Minister for Auckland has been replaced by the Minister for Invercargill. But that's an aside. The questions I have are in relation to the charter for Watercare. The charter for Watercare is set out in quite a bit of detail in this bill and it forms quite a big part of this bill. In clause 62A it states that the Secretary—which is the Secretary for the Department of Internal Affairs—must prepare a charter for Watercare. And so the question I have for the Minister is we've heard a lot of rhetoric around this bill making sure that local services and local people are in control of local affairs: how does that work with this proposal for the Secretary of the Department of Internal Affairs to create this new charter for Watercare? It's quite detailed on this. I do note that it also outlines that there should be consultation with other groups that are located in Auckland but the final decision does rest with the Secretary. I just wanted to know: has the Minister considered putting more local control into this particular part in relation to the charter which I think is quite important? In relation to the charter I just had a question around and I did have a bit of a research—I'm not on the select committee that was considering this bill—to try and see if there was an existing charter that it was replacing. I could see that Watercare had a promise that they made that they've outlined on their website. I wanted to ask the Minister the intersection between the Watercare promise which is essentially as far as I can ascertain to treat water to provide safe drinking water to not allow pollution. Now that promise as a resident of Auckland I can tell you is is sometimes not upheld by Watercare. A group I've been working with for quite a period of time in Hobson Bay Hapua Thrive—there's a huge amount of sewage going into the harbour there. It's very difficult for the residents there. There's a significant need for additional infrastructure in this area. I wanted to know with the focus on Watercare and with this—there's quite a lot of in the charter requirements for Watercare to meet certain objectives. What I wanted to know is can the Minister guarantee that under these changes the people—like the people of Hapua Thrive who live near Hobson Bay—will they be able to or can the Minister make some kind of commitment that these new provisions around Watercare will actually produce better results for them in terms of the outgoing sewage into the harbour that they can smell on their walks that makes it difficult to let their dog off a lead that means that they can't enjoy going kayaking in the Waitematā?So I would like the Minister to address that but also just to go back to my initial question: can she let us know about the charter and exactly the local elements of the charter and how this will actually ensure local control of local affairs? I think there are a lot of people in Auckland who will find it unusual to have a fully council-owned organisation like Watercare having a piece of extremely detailed legislation in relation to its performance. It's kind of you know they're almost like key performance indicators in this section of the bill and how that is actually going to deliver better water quality for Aucklanders.So I do think that there are some important questions and I see the Minister is taking some advice. So I hope that she's in a position to be able to answer those.CHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger): I'm just waiting for a moment. The Minister's taking some advice.