SpeechHon DAVID BENNETT (National): Thank you Mr Chair. I just have two questions for the Minister. The first is in relation to his response before where he implied that the returns would remain in New Zealand but in a different form and then my colleague from the ACT Party quite rightly noted that there would be a different price for a stock unit of that age in the New Zealand market compared with the international market. So perhaps the Minister needs to enlighten us on this side of the House as to actually how his economics work as to how we get the same return in New Zealand. When we consider that the Minister has said that he wants to see 800000 hectares of dry stock land go into forestry where are these animals going to go? What are we going to do with them at that age? We've already had peak cows. We've got cows reducing. Are these heifers that are in calf going to suddenly become part of the New Zealand dairy herd? What's going to happen to them? How does the Minister explain that that money will in his words come in a different form? It won't. There will be a loss to the New Zealand economy. If he says that there is no loss to the New Zealand economy I would love to hear it. Now the only answer I think he can give is his fanciful thing about This is all part of 'Brand New Zealand' " and that we get more return from it from that. That might be his answer but that will be lovely to see because he can't even get a free-trade agreement in Europe for dairy. He actually took that out of the agreement. Rachel Boyack: What?Hon Member: Shocking.Hon DAVID BENNETT: No they did. The Labour members are going "Oh really?" Well that's what happened. The week before the free-trade agreement your glorious leader said "We don't need to negotiate that. We don't need to talk about dairy"—CHAIRPERSON (Greg O'Connor): Mr Bennett I'll just remind members this debate has been going for half an hour before we started today. So we are now looking for as the previous speaker did talk into Supplementary Order Papers in particular—so I'll be looking for new material; certainly relevant material Mr Bennett. So I'll invite you to continue.Hon DAVID BENNETT: Thank you Mr Chair. It certainly is new material because the Labour members are over there going "What? Really? Never heard of it."—CHAIRPERSON (Greg O'Connor): Relevant material Mr Bennett.Hon DAVID BENNETT: It's new to them that the Prime Minister basically put the kibosh on the dairy industry in the free-trade agreement.So where are these heifers going to go? Are we going to suddenly miraculously have more dairy conversions Minister? I don't think you're going to do that. It's not going to happen. Are we going to have more sheep and beef farms? That's not going to happen when everything that you want goes into forestry. Where are you going to put these animals? Where do we get that return? Your words were: "They will come in a different form." So explain it. Just tell us how you made that economic judgment.My second question to the Minister is a very simple one. He just has to say "Yes" or "No". Did he ask the Prime Minister to tone down the policy in this area? At any point did he go to the Prime Minister and say "No we can't do the full ban. There's a practical solution here that we could look at." Did he have that conversation? Just a simple yes or no. If he didn't have that conversation fine everybody knows that he didn't. But if he did have that conversation the public and the farmers of New Zealand deserve to know that.Hon Willie Jackson: No one cares.Hon DAVID BENNETT: No one cares? This is Willie Jackson. They obviously don't understand that one of the biggest farmers in New Zealand is iwi. Guess who makes a lot of money in the sheep and beef industry! It's iwi. Guess who's going to have a big future in New Zealand sheep and beef! Iwi. But "who cares?" for Willie Jackson because he's the urban elite; he's not actually of the Māori who are looking after the land and the whenua and building the base of the industry.So Minister answer those questions. Did you at any point ask the Prime Minister to tone down the policy agenda in this area? Secondly explain how this money's going to come in a different form when as my good colleague has said there is a completely different market for those animals. And where do you expect those animals to go?"