Mapp Wayne: Financial Review Debate — Procedure In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Mapp Wayne: Financial Review Debate — Procedure In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Dr WAYNE MAPP (National—North Shore) 
: 
 It is remarkable that the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet is there to give strategic advice to the Prime Minister who I guess has built something of a reputation in this country of always being close to the pulse of the nation and understanding the mood of the nation. Clearly her political instincts have abandoned her and she cannot look to her department to bail her out. If this is strategic advice then it must come from satellites and not from the people of New Zealand. The people have given a clear message that they want Crown title. That is apparently not what the Government thought in December last year although it is what it thought in July last year. Maybe the advice the Prime Minister should take is the advice she gave herself back in July without reference to this incredibly highly paid group of individuals in her department—that is her own instincts to go for Crown ownership. However she was rolled by her own caucus. 
In August her department allocated $369000 for the management although better called “mismanagement” and the administration better called “maladministration” of this project and a further $116000 appropriated to fund the Ministry of Maori Development. Ten huis were held up and down the country costing $131000. The Government has boldly claimed that was a saving out of $180000. It came up with this oxymoron this so-called “dual title public domain” that the Prime Minister proudly proclaimed would meet the needs of New Zealanders. 
John Key 
: Why doesn’t she go on  
Holmes 
 and tell the people? 
Dr WAYNE MAPP 
: Yes why does she not explain to the people why public domain is so much better than Crown title because— 
Rt Hon Helen Clark 
: Because she is in the House. 
Dr WAYNE MAPP 
: Will the Prime Minister take a call to explain to the public of New Zealand why she has done another flip-flop and returned to the concept of Crown title where she was back in July last year and why that is now so much superior to public domain which seems to be part of the documents of 17 December? 
It seems to us and to the people of New Zealand that this Government is struggling to catch up. It adopts one position after another. The Associate Minister of Justice said today: “Spare me any more questions. I just want to get rid of this. Thank goodness the legislation is going to come into the House—soon.” But we have questions for the Prime Minister. Will this legislation really be Crown title as we understand it or will it be some sort of new variation with still this idea of dual title which has been paid for to the tune of $369000 for this highly paid high-powered advice or will it be in some form of co-management as envisaged by the Minister of Maori Affairs? What does Tariana Turia have to say about this? We know that this Prime Minister prides herself on having complete control of her caucus on the ability to marshal votes yet one would have to conclude that in the last few weeks and the public has seen that clearly the Prime Minister has completely lost control of this issue. 
 The $369000 of expenditure has essentially amounted to nought. In fact she should have stuck to her own advice to herself not needing reference to her department and simply legislated for Crown title. 
These are serious questions. The Prime Minister is required to answer to this Committee why she has had so many different positions understandings new views revised views and old views on this issue.