SpeechHon NATHAN GUY (National—Ōtaki): Thank you Madam Chair. I've been listening to the debate with some interest this afternoon on this Urban Development Bill and indeed I have a few questions for the Minister in the chair the Hon Phil Twyford who knows a lot about housing or maybe a lack of getting houses built. I do agree in part with this bill that it should streamline land to allow houses to be built but we have some concerns about it. The question that I do have is in the section about acquiring land. Could the Minister highlight to me about how that process will work and in particular about compensation for the land that may indeed be acquired. What happens indeed if this land is acquired and then not utilised? That's commonly called land banking and that's been a bugbear in the past. Hon Ron Mark: Yes—for nine long years it carried on and on and on. Hon NATHAN GUY: For longer than that Mr Mark and even in Carterton. So the former Mayor of Carterton I'm sure knows a lot about it. The question that I have specifically for the Minister about this bill is: what happens indeed if Kāinga Ora actually acquires the land but then doesn't get around to developing it? That is an interesting point. Of course the Minister will probably stand up and say No no that's not going to happen because we haven't built enough KiwiBuild houses and we need to get on and build the houses." but I am interested and I can see his officials running off the bench to give him the answers now. It would be interesting to know if this Crown agency is going to go around acquiring land and then sitting on it unnecessarily. I'm interested in the compensation and I'm interested to know what is the process of them acquiring land and is there a time frame indeed after the land is acquired when that development actually needs to get started? Could this bill actually work for Ihumātao? That'd be an interesting question. Has the Minister said to his officials that this bill could be applied to that? It would be an interesting question for the Minister to enlighten us on as to where that process is up to because here was a development that was going to mean 480 houses were going to be developed not too far from downtown Auckland. It had been through a process Fletcher's were under way and suddenly it's—CHAIRPERSON (Hon Ruth Dyson): Is this within the scope of the bill? Hon NATHAN GUY: Yes it is because it comes back to the point about building houses. The development process was signed off by Auckland Council the Government has its fingertips all over this and here we have a bill that is meant to streamline it. Could this bill apply to Ihumātao? That's a question for the Minister. Has the Minister had any correspondence or discussions from the Mayor of Auckland Phil Goff because what I'm hearing happening is that this new Crown agency is paying more for staff than the council is prepared to pay. It's raiding technical people out of Auckland Council and is prepared to pay them more so I'm interested to know: has there been any discussion with Phil Goff through to the Minister—a sly text a phone call here or there a meet-up at the cafe or wherever it might occur? Is the Mayor of Auckland worried that he's losing his staff or his chief executive is losing staff through to this Crown agency? So I'd be very interested to know the Minister's answers to those specific questions."