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Woodhouse Michael: Minimum Wage (Starting-out Wage) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Woodhouse Michael: Minimum Wage (Starting-out Wage) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Hon MICHAEL WOODHOUSE (Minister of Immigration) 
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 I want to take just a quick call on Part 2 of the Minimum Wage (Starting-out Wage) Amendment Bill in respect of the questions that were raised by members Fenton and Moroney. In fact Ms Moroney I think is quoted as saying that the bill shows a complete lack of awareness about the issues facing young people. I suggest to the Committee that that member shows a complete lack of awareness of either this bill or the Accident Compensation Act. It is not 80 percent of 80 percent; the present schedule to the Accident Compensation Act— 
Sue Moroney 
: Could have said that from the start. 
Hon MICHAEL WOODHOUSE 
: Well you see this is a really good example I think of where the members on the other side assume something and then spend half an hour criticising the Government for a policy that simply does not exist in the bill. 
Sue Moroney 
: If you’d take a call and clarify it. 
Hon MICHAEL WOODHOUSE 
: It does not exist in the bill. Well I was just letting the tether get a little longer before hanging the member with it. 
Darien Fenton 
: It took you half an hour to work it out. 
Hon MICHAEL WOODHOUSE 
: I was not on the Transport and Industrial Relations Committee. If as a member of that select committee someone was doing their job diligently one should have asked the question if it were that important to the member rather than wait to the Committee stage and expose her own shortcomings in a lack of knowledge about the bill. The Accident Compensation Act at the moment already prescribes for the new entrant rate which Labour put in place. And bear in mind with all of this ranting and raving about the fact that a starting-out wage is such an evil thing that Labour in fact put one in place for 3 months. So when the Government does it for 6 months it is something awful but when Labour does it for 3 months it is something noble. I certainly get an inconsistency on that. In schedule 1 of the Accident Corporation Act anybody who is in that new-entrant rate now who is injured is paid 80 percent of the adult minimum wage. 
Sue Moroney 
: So why are you amending it? 
Hon MICHAEL WOODHOUSE 
: It is not being amended. The description of schedule 1 is being amended to reflect the new nomenclature in the Minimum Wage (Starting-out Wage) Amendment Bill that will be put into the Minimum Wage Act. The same thing will apply if effectively they are earning as the member said 80 percent of the adult minimum wage and they are injured. Then their weekly earnings are calculated on the adult minimum wage and weekly compensation will be calculated on 80 percent of that. Therefore their effective take-home income will not change during a period that they are injured.
Vote: Student Loan Scheme Amendment Bill (No 2) — In Committee 
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Vote: Student Loan Scheme Amendment Bill (No 2) — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 19 March 2013. Volume:688;Page:8671. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 71 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand First 7; Maori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1; Independent: Horan. 
Noes 49 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; Mana 1. 
Motion agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 185 in the name of the Hon Peter Dunne to Part 1 be agreed to.
Vote: Minimum Wage (Starting-out Wage) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Minimum Wage (Starting-out Wage) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 19 March 2013. Volume:688;Page:8643. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 1 as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 60 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Maori Party 3; Mana 1; Independent: Horan. 
Part 1 as amended agreed to.
Bennett David: Minimum Wage (Starting-out Wage) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Bennett David: Minimum Wage (Starting-out Wage) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 19 March 2013. Volume:688;Page:8638. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
DAVID BENNETT (National—Hamilton East) 
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 I move  
That the question be now put 
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Vote: Minimum Wage (Starting-out Wage) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Minimum Wage (Starting-out Wage) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 60 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Maori Party 3; Mana 1; Independent: Horan. 
Amendments agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 193 in the name of Darien Fenton to clause 4 be agreed to.
Sabin Mike: Minimum Wage (Starting-out Wage) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Sabin Mike: Minimum Wage (Starting-out Wage) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 19 March 2013. Volume:688;Page:8642. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
MIKE SABIN (National—Northland) 
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 I move  
That the question be now put 
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Vote: Financial Review Debate — In Committee 
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Vote: Financial Review Debate — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 19 March 2013. Volume:688;Page:8622. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That clauses 1 to 9 and schedules 1 to 5 be agreed to. 
Ayes 64 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Mana 1; Independent: Horan. 
Clauses 1 to 9 and schedules 1 to 5 agreed to. 
Bill reported without amendment. 
Report adopted.
Roy Eric: Minimum Wage (Starting-out Wage) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Roy Eric: Minimum Wage (Starting-out Wage) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 19 March 2013. Volume:688;Page:8643. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: Darien Fenton’s amendment to new section 4A(1)(c)(ii) set out on Supplementary Order Paper 192 is out of order as it is inconsistent with a previous decision the Committee has taken. Darien Fenton’s amendment to new section 4A(3)(a)(i) set out on Supplementary Order Paper 192 is also out of order as it is inconsistent with a decision the Committee has made. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 192 in the name of Darien Fenton to new section 4A(5) and 4A(6) in clause 4 be agreed to.
Vote: Appropriation (2011/12 Financial Review) Bill — Third Reading 
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Vote: Appropriation (2011/12 Financial Review) Bill — Third Reading 
[Sitting date: 19 March 2013. Volume:688;Page:8622. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Appropriation (2011/12) Financial Review) Bill be now read a third time. 
Ayes 64 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Mana 1; Independent: Horan. 
Bill read a third time.
Guy Nathan: Appropriation (2011/12 Financial Review) Bill — Third Reading 
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Guy Nathan: Appropriation (2011/12 Financial Review) Bill — Third Reading 
[Sitting date: 19 March 2013. Volume:688;Page:8622. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon NATHAN GUY (Minister for Primary Industries) 
 on behalf of the Minister of Finance: I move  
That the Appropriation (2011/12 Financial Review) Bill be now read a third time 
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Robertson H V Ross: Financial Review Debate — In Committee 
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Robertson H V Ross: Financial Review Debate — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 19 March 2013. Volume:688;Page:8621. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I am sorry to interrupt the honourable member. The 4 hours for the financial review debate have expired.
Prosser Richard: Financial Review Debate — In Committee 
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Prosser Richard: Financial Review Debate — In Committee 
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RICHARD PROSSER (NZ First) 
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 I am pleased to rise to take a call on behalf of New Zealand First. It is always a delight to follow the Hon Damien O’Connor and to echo many of his sentiments during this Committee of the whole House stage. Looking at my notes I see I have made mention of the Committee of the “whole Hose” rather than of the “whole House” and I think this typo is rather apt given that a hose is turned on at the tap. And opening the taps is what this Government appears hell-bent on doing when it comes to biosecurity risks facing New Zealand and its apparent willingness to allow them access. 
This Government—this National-led administration—by its own admission accepts and acknowledges that the agricultural sector is the cornerstone of New Zealand’s economy. Three dollars out of every four that this country earns in foreign exchange come ultimately from things that we grow and things that we harvest—farming fishing forestry the sheep farms the beef farms the vineyards the orchards the market gardeners the agriculture industry mussel farming salmon and plantation forests. We have trees for Africa in this country and we harvest and replant them for timber and particle boards pulp and paper and even logs. 
Then there is the jewel in the crown: the dairy industry. New Zealand’s dairy farmers are the best in the world and their cows really are cash cows. One dollar in every four of this country’s export earnings—fully one-third of the $3 mentioned earlier—is generated by hard-working and under-appreciated dairy cockies. One-third of all cross-border trade in dairy products globally emanates from New Zealand as does $3 out of every $4 that this country has to spend on cars and aeroplanes and televisions and medicines and X-ray machines and medical isotopes and magnetic resonance imaging scanners and computers and cell phones and microphones like this one and all the other things that we have to import from overseas because we cannot or do not make them here. Three out of every four of the dollars we have to spend on those things comes from agriculture and one of those dollars—one-third of agriculture’s contribution—comes from dairy the much-maligned dairy sector the sector that gets called dirty.
Sage Eugenie: Financial Review Debate — In Committee 
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Sage Eugenie: Financial Review Debate — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 19 March 2013. Volume:688;Page:8617. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
EUGENIE SAGE (Green) 
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Tena koe Mr Chairperson. One of the major changes that the Ministry for the Environment is working on as part of its policy under this Government is to change the way in which planning is done under the Resource Management Act so that Ministers would have much more power to intervene and direct councils to amend or change their plans. Instead of the ministry developing policy statements and national environmental standards so that we have consistent environmental policy around New Zealand we would have the Minister being able to intervene to pick and choose winners—to potentially direct the Northland councils to promote mining in their plans or Hawke’s Bay to have policies that would make it easier for mega think-big risky schemes like Ruataniwha to proceed or in Auckland for the Minister to be able to smash the metropolitan urban limits in order to allow urban sprawl when the council had specifically put those limits in place to avoid urban sprawl. As prominent Bluegreens member and former ministerial adviser Guy Salmon has said: “This is what they do in China.” 
This is worse than the National Development Act in the Muldoon era. And it is this ministry under this Government that is promoting these substantive changes to the Resource Management Act and also proposing to strip out five of the key environmental principles in the heart of the Act—the purpose section in Part 2. These changes are deeply troubling because they potentially promote the politicisation of the Public Service and the ministry and the potential for more dodgy backroom deals as we have seen with Skycity. When you have a ministry that has got only 280-odd staff and those staff are based in Wellington—the ministry does not have any regional offices in Christchurch or in Auckland any more—it is simply not credible to believe that the ministry would be adding value on the specific challenges that we have on land management water management and coastal management in a particular region by giving these powers to the Minister. The powers will not be promoting— 
Report noted.
Lee Melissa: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Lee Melissa: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Sitting date: 19 March 2013. Volume:688;Page:8614. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
11. 
MELISSA LEE (National) 
 to the  
Minister for Social Development 
: How is the Government’s Social Workers in Hospitals initiative making a difference for vulnerable children? 
Hon PAULA BENNETT (Minister for Social Development) 
: 
 The social workers in hospitals initiative was introduced by National in 2009. We now have a Child Youth and Family social worker based in every district health board in the country. When hospitals admit children if staff have care and protection concerns the social worker engages with the family and hospital staff. In the last 6 months of 2012 7386 consultations took place about families they were worried about. As a result 1059 reports of concern were made to Child Youth and Family. 
Melissa Lee 
: What feedback has she received about front-line staff working together to better protect vulnerable children? 
Hon PAULA BENNETT 
: Feedback from health professionals shows that there is a growing confidence about how they can report concerns and Child Youth and Family social workers are a welcome part of the team. Last week I visited Palmerston North Hospital and met with one of our social workers and with health professionals there. You could see—and it was really evident in the relationships they have together—the fact that they can get in earlier when that concern is there make a difference and get the right support in place so that that in many cases very young baby is safe when they go home. 
Melissa Lee 
: What lessons can we learn from this initiative to support the work of the Government’s Children’s Action Plan? 
Hon PAULA BENNETT 
: The Children’s Action Plan which is part of the White Paper for Vulnerable Children is clearly focused on front-line staff—front-line people—and how we get them together with much better coordination earlier in the lives of the children who need our support and help. That is why the Government has also told the chief executives and their equivalents of social development health education justice police housing and Te PuniKokiri that they must work together to have a coordinated response to those vulnerable children who so desperately need them. 
Jacinda Ardern 
: What is the caseload for her social workers in hospitals and does she believe that this number represents a fair workload for these social workers? 
Hon PAULA BENNETT 
: It is different for different district health boards because it depends on how big it is with the Child Youth and Family workers who they have had recently. They do not work long term with families though; they are very much about getting the support longer term. They might refer to an NGO or as I said on to Child Youth and Family and get them better attached there if they have to.
Vote: Minimum Wage (Starting-out Wage) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Minimum Wage (Starting-out Wage) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 19 March 2013. Volume:688;Page:8642. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 64 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Mana 1; Independent: Horan. 
Motion agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 189 in the name of the Hon Simon Bridges to Part 1 be agreed to.
Turei Metiria: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Turei Metiria: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Sitting date: 19 March 2013. Volume:688;Page:8610. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
METIRIA TUREI (Co-Leader—Green) 
: 
 Thank you Mr Speaker—[ 
Interruption 
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Mr SPEAKER 
: Order! Order! Metiria Turei has a right to have her question heard.
Horan Brendan: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Horan Brendan: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Sitting date: 19 March 2013. Volume:688;Page:8602. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
2. 
BRENDAN HORAN (Independent) 
 to the  
Minister of Education 
: Is accountability within our education system paramount? 
Hon NIKKI KAYE (Acting Minister of Education) 
: 
 Accountability is paramount in so far as everyone in the education system needs to be accountable for achieving the best results for all New Zealand children. For example national standards provide parents with information as to how their children are doing which helps provide accountability. I am sure the member would support the general concept of parents knowing exactly what their children are up to. 
Brendan Horan 
: Will the Minister show her accountability by revealing to this House the expensive reasons why staff around her are being paid to leave? 
Hon NIKKI KAYE 
: The member will be aware that staffing matters regarding ministerial offices are the responsibility of the Department of Internal Affairs. 
Dr Cam Calder 
: What steps is the Government taking to strengthen accountability for raising achievement? 
Hon NIKKI KAYE 
: Our Government is doing a number of things to ensure every child in New Zealand gets a great education. We have set Better Public Services targets at early childhood education National Certificate of Educational Achievement level 2 and New Zealand Qualifications Framework level 4. We are putting more money into education than ever before and we are clearer about what we want as a result of it. 
Rt Hon Winston Peters 
: Is a sound education and understanding of accountability for other people’s money and assets paramount within our education system and why is that important? 
Hon NIKKI KAYE 
: Yes. It is important because we are all elected by the people of New Zealand and we need to ensure we are accountable as members of Parliament. 
Chris Hipkins 
: If we are all accountable to the people of New Zealand for the decisions we make will the Minister of Education resign her position given the taxpayer now has to fork out $11 million to fix up the mess she has made with Novopay? 
Hon NIKKI KAYE 
: No. When we look at the issue of Novopay we have done a huge amount. The Minister responsible for Novopay Steven Joyce today announced a superb package of support for schools and we are very proud of that package. 
Brendan Horan 
: Will the Minister show accountability and assure the House that as Ombudsman David McGee stated it is unacceptable for there to be any suggestion that a Government department must bypass the Official Information Act and can she guarantee that that will not happen with education in this term? 
Hon NIKKI KAYE 
: The member will be aware that these matters are before the Education and Science Committee and I think that of all the members in this House who care about due process it would be that one.
Vote: Student Loan Scheme Amendment Bill (No 2) — In Committee 
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Vote: Student Loan Scheme Amendment Bill (No 2) — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 19 March 2013. Volume:688;Page:8672. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 1 as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 105 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 34; New Zealand First 7; Maori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1; Independent: Horan. 
Noes 15 
Green Party 14; Mana 1. 
Part 1 as amended agreed to.
Vote: Minimum Wage (Starting-out Wage) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Minimum Wage (Starting-out Wage) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 19 March 2013. Volume:688;Page:8655. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 2 as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 59 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Maori Party 2; Mana 1; Independent: Horan. 
Part 2 as amended agreed to.
Vote: Student Loan Scheme Amendment Bill (No 2) — In Committee 
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Vote: Student Loan Scheme Amendment Bill (No 2) — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 19 March 2013. Volume:688;Page:8681. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 2 as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 105 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 34; New Zealand First 7; Maori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1; Independent: Horan. 
Noes 15 
Green Party 14; Mana 1. 
Part 2 as amended agreed to.
Tisch Lindsay: Student Loan Scheme Amendment Bill (No 2) — In Committee 
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Tisch Lindsay: Student Loan Scheme Amendment Bill (No 2) — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 19 March 2013. Volume:688;Page:8681. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: We now come to the debate on Part 3. This is clauses 63 to 68 and schedule 3.
Vote: Minimum Wage (Starting-out Wage) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Minimum Wage (Starting-out Wage) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 19 March 2013. Volume:688;Page:8642. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 60 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Maori Party 3; Mana: 1; Independent: Horan. 
Noes 61 
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 192 in the name of Darien Fenton to new section 4A(1)(a) and 4A(1)(c)(i) in clause 4 be agreed to.
Vote: Student Loan Scheme Amendment Bill (No 2) — In Committee 
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Vote: Student Loan Scheme Amendment Bill (No 2) — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 19 March 2013. Volume:688;Page:8681. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 105 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 34; New Zealand First 7; Maori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1; Independent: Horan. 
Noes 15 
Green Party 14; Mana 1. 
Amendments agreed to.
Vote: Minimum Wage (Starting-out Wage) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Minimum Wage (Starting-out Wage) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 19 March 2013. Volume:688;Page:8658. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That clause 2 be agreed to. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 59 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Maori Party 2; Mana 1; Independent: Horan. 
Clause 2 agreed to.
Roy Eric: Minimum Wage (Starting-out Wage) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Roy Eric: Minimum Wage (Starting-out Wage) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 19 March 2013. Volume:688;Page:8654. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: Order! It is very hard to hear. I am not sure whether that conversation is inside the Chamber or being picked up from somewhere else.
Wagner Nicky: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Wagner Nicky: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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5. 
NICKY WAGNER (National—Christchurch Central) 
 to the  
Minister of Health 
: What progress can he report on the Christchurch Hospital redevelopment project? 
Hon TONY RYALL (Minister of Health) 
: 
 The first site work on Christchurch’s $600 million - plus hospitals redevelopment project will start before the middle of this year. Cabinet has agreed to set aside around $500 million for the largest and most complex building project in the history of the New Zealand public health service. The rebuild will certainly go a long way to setting Canterbury health services back on their feet after the 2010 and 2011 earthquakes. 
Nicky Wagner 
: What will the Christchurch redevelopment project involve? 
Hon TONY RYALL 
: The work will include 159 new beds for Burwood and Christchurch Hospitals and eight extra operating theatres. Construction of a new facility for older people’s health is being fast tracked at Burwood Hospital with site clearing beginning mid-year and completion in 2015. Christchurch Hospital’s development or redevelopment includes a new expanded intensive care unit and emergency department purpose-designed space for paediatrics eight new operating theatres in-patient wards and new outpatient facilities; and is due for completion in 2018. 
Hon Annette King 
: Will the rebuild of Ashburton Hospital be funded from the $600 million announced yesterday; if not what funding if any has been allocated by the Government for Ashburton Hospital? 
Hon TONY RYALL 
: Ashburton Hospital will be rebuilt. It is my expectation that the funding will be a combination of district health board and Ministry of Health funding as that member has known. She has put out a statement saying the services were not going to be rebuilt— 
Hon Annette King 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. That was a pretty straight question I think you will find and there was no need for the political cant that followed. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: That is true and it was adequately answered. The last part was not necessary.
Goldsmith Paul: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Goldsmith Paul: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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7. 
PAUL GOLDSMITH (National) 
 to the  
Minister of Transport 
: What progress has the Government made on improving roading infrastructure? 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (Minister of Transport) 
: 
 Last Friday the Prime Minister opened the Newmarket Viaduct. The $244 million Newmarket project marks the southern end of the central motorway junction the busiest section of motorway in New Zealand. At its northern end is the Victoria Park Tunnel which was opened in late 2011. The Government’s roads of national significance programme is progressing and these two roads were part of that programme. In between both are a host of other motorway improvements and combined they provide much better transport connections around and through Auckland improving traffic flows between State Highway 1 and State Highway 16 and ensuring freight can move a lot more efficiently in and out of Auckland’s container port. Removing the old viaduct at Newmarket and constructing the new one with only a minimum of disruption to traffic on the southern motorway is a remarkable achievement in engineering and innovation. It also has very good environmental outcomes. 
Paul Goldsmith 
: What benefits can motorists expect from improvements to roading infrastructure? 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE 
: Although it will take some time to measure completely the improvements that Newmarket’s viaduct will provide significant time savings are being reported thanks to the Government’s opening of the motorways for Victoria Park and indeed in Christchurch as well. Also there is about 3.5 minutes being saved on the Te Rapa bypass and motorists are experiencing that time saving also in the cost of fuel. This is a focus that we think is very very good for the economy. It certainly makes travelling on our roads much safer also. 
Paul Goldsmith 
: Did any other roading improvements report a time saving to motorists? 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE 
: Yes. Earlier this year I opened stage one of the Christchurch Southern Motorway another one of the Government’s roads of national significance and already truck drivers are reporting time savings of up to 15 minutes between Rolleston and the Port of Lyttelton. This would represent a saving of nearly 10 litres of fuel. The Government is committed to improving our infrastructure and this is demonstrated in the savings and benefits to New Zealanders which are quite obvious.
Carter David: Visitors — Afghanistan—Minister of Foreign Affairs 
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Carter David: Visitors — Afghanistan—Minister of Foreign Affairs 
[Sitting date: 19 March 2013. Volume:688;Page:8601. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Honourable members I have much pleasure in informing the House that His Excellency Dr ZalmaiRassoul Minister of Foreign Affairs from the Afghan National Assembly is within the precincts of this Chamber. I am sure members would wish him to be welcomed and accorded a seat on the left of the Chair. 
His Excellency Dr ZalmaiRassoul accompanied by Assistant Speaker Tisch entered the Chamber and took a seat on the left of the Chair.
Appropriation (2011/12 Financial Review) Bill — Third Reading 
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Appropriation (2011/12 Financial Review) Bill — Third Reading 
[Sitting date: 19 March 2013. Volume:688;Page:8622. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Appropriation (2011/12 Financial Review) Bill 
Third Reading 
Hon NATHAN GUY (Minister for Primary Industries) 
 on behalf of the Minister of Finance: I move  
That the Appropriation (2011/12 Financial Review) Bill be now read a third time 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Appropriation (2011/12) Financial Review) Bill be now read a third time. 
Ayes 64 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Mana 1; Independent: Horan. 
Bill read a third time.
Visitors — Afghanistan—Minister of Foreign Affairs 
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Visitors — Afghanistan—Minister of Foreign Affairs 
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Tuesday 19 March 2013 
Mr Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Prayers 
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Visitors 
Afghanistan—Minister of Foreign Affairs 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Honourable members I have much pleasure in informing the House that His Excellency Dr ZalmaiRassoul Minister of Foreign Affairs from the Afghan National Assembly is within the precincts of this Chamber. I am sure members would wish him to be welcomed and accorded a seat on the left of the Chair. 
His Excellency Dr ZalmaiRassoul accompanied by Assistant Speaker Tisch entered the Chamber and took a seat on the left of the Chair.
Wagner Nicky: Building Amendment Bill (No 4) — Second Reading 
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Wagner Nicky: Building Amendment Bill (No 4) — Second Reading 
[Sitting date: 14 March 2013. Volume:688;Page:8597. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
NICKY WAGNER (National—Christchurch Central) 
: 
 I support this Building Amendment Bill (No 4).
Vote: Minimum Wage (Starting-out Wage) Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
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Vote: Minimum Wage (Starting-out Wage) Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
[Sitting date: 14 March 2013. Volume:688;Page:8597. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Minimum Wage (Starting-out Wage) Amendment Bill be now read a second time. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 59 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Maori Party 2; Mana 1; Independent: Horan. 
Bill read a second time.
Vote: Minimum Wage (Starting-out Wage) Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be agreed to. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 59 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Maori Party 2; Mana 1; Independent: Horan. 
Question agreed to.
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Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Is this a split call? 
Sue Moroney 
: It is indeed a split call. 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: 5 minutes.
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Dr CAM CALDER (National) 
: 
 My dad died when I was 6 years old. I was brought up by my mum and she used to call me her right-hand man. The reason for that was that she got me to rake up the leaves and mow the lawns. I mowed the lawns with an old push mower and I can remember to this day the joy I saw when I came downstairs and there was a new Briggs and Stratton 4-stroke Kingfisher mower which I was able to use. I fired it up and mum came out in great concern because I was throwing lemons through the side to see them explode into a myriad pieces. I am telling you this story because that was my first entry into earning money—earning money. I used to do my own lawns then we would tie the mower to the back of the bike we would ride around lower Westown in “Taradise”—New Plymouth—and I would sell my labour and mow old people’s lawns. I learnt to realise that mum was right: money does not grow on trees. Money does not grow on trees and I think that if she said that to me once she probably said it to me 500 times. But I learnt the lesson. What I learnt also was the dignity of work—that you get out of life what you put into it. If you want to make a metaphor you can say that we got a foot on the pathway to personal responsibility. I got a chance to get the keys to the Zephyr buy a surfboard or nowadays get the keys to a Nissan Skyline. 
This bill the Minimum Wage (Starting-out Wage) Amendment Bill is about young people getting opportunity young people getting skills and young people getting the money to survive in a difficult labour market. The axing of the youth wage by Labour cost up to 9000 jobs. The Ministry of Business Innovation and Employment suggests that the starting-out wage in the first 2 years could provide 2000 jobs for 16 to 19-year-olds. I commend this bill to the House. 
The question was put that the amendments recommended by the Transport and Industrial Relations Committee by majority be agreed to.
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Hon MAURICE WILLIAMSON (Minister for Building and Construction) 
: 
 I move  
That the Government Administration Committee report the Plumbers Gasfitters and Drainlayers Amendment Bill to the House on or before 22 March 2013 and that the committee have the authority to meet at any time while the House is sitting (except during oral questions) and during any evening on a day on which there has been a sitting of the House and on a Friday in a week in which there has been a sitting of the House despite Standing Orders 188 and 191(1)(b) and (c).  
The shortened select committee report-back period is essential as the new licensing year commences on 1 April and practitioners are already making licensing payments to the Plumbers Gasfitters and Drainlayers Board. This legislation will provide practitioners and the board with certainty. May I say that if the Regulations Review Committee does actually disallow the old fees and payments it could be that the board would find itself completely insolvent and there would be no regulatory body controlling the industry. That is why there is a shortened period.
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HOLLY WALKER (Green) 
: 
 I will take just a brief call in this debate on the shortened process for the Government Administration Committee’s consideration of the Plumbers Gasfitters and Drainlayers Amendment Bill. As I mentioned in my substantive contribution on the bill the Green Party is concerned about this shortened select committee process. 
Having sat on a select committee dealing with a bill in a shortened 3-week time frame and having found it impossible in that case to do justice to the complex issues or apply the appropriate level of scrutiny to the bill I cannot imagine how that can be achieved in the 1 week proposed for this bill. In our view 1 week would be insufficient to adequately deal with any bill through the select committee let alone one that has retrospective application. In such cases an even greater level of scrutiny should be applied than to a normal bill and this will be impossible for this bill in 1 week. 
Furthermore we can predict that because of the long-running issues and complaints that prompted this bill there will be a significant number of affected parties wishing to make submissions and follow the select committee’s process. These people deserve the opportunity to do so because in many cases the changes proposed in this bill will impact directly on their daily lives and their businesses. One week is not sufficient for these stakeholders to prepare present and submit on this bill. 
So the Green Party remains strongly opposed to this shortened select committee process. Although we understand that there is some rationale for that shortened process those concerns are very fundamental. However we will as always engage with the bill at the select committee as constructively as possible.
Vote: Plumbers Gasfitters and Drainlayers Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Government Administration Committee report the Plumbers Gasfitters and Drainlayers Amendment Bill to the House on or before 22 March 2013 and that the committee have the authority to meet at any time while the House is sitting (except during oral questions) and during any evening on a day on which there has been a sitting of the House and on a Friday in a week in which there has been a sitting of the House despite Standing Orders 188 and 191(1)(b) and (c). 
Ayes 97 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 34; Maori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 23 
Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Mana 1; Independent: Horan. 
Motion agreed to.
Vote: Plumbers Gasfitters and Drainlayers Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Plumbers Gasfitters and Drainlayers Amendment Bill be now read a first time. 
Ayes 98 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 34; Maori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1; Independent: Horan. 
Noes 22 
Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Mana 1. 
Bill read a first time. 
Bill referred to the Government Administration Committee.
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STEFFAN BROWNING (Green) 
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 I will not need 10 minutes but I am pleased to speak to this Plumbers Gasfitters and Drainlayers Amendment Bill. It is unfortunate that there is a retrospective aspect to it but it would seem appropriate if this organisation the Plumbers Gasfitters and Drainlayers Board is going to keep its funding. We oppose this bill at this point but look forward to engaging at the Government Administration Committee because we think that if this works well we might be able to revisit our opposition to it. 
There is clearly a gap in the legislation but there is also clearly a dysfunctional board as well. The industry is somewhat split. There is some resentful membership and it seems like in some cases it is the small operators versus the larger operators that the board seems to look after in a much better way. This might be an opportunity for some amendments that can send signals about the functionality of that sector. 
There is the membership of course but there are also outliers who still practise under a mate’s ticket or registration. In some respects the board and maybe some of this legislation have helped drive that. There are part-timers or tradespeople who are working a range of different skills who are not just drainlayers for example or plumbers. I was speaking to one as recently as yesterday who pointed out that he pays a $300 levy. It might not matter to some people across the House—it may seem a drop in the bucket—but for someone who is doing only drainlaying— 
Hon Maurice Williamson 
: That’s a good expression for plumbers. 
STEFFAN BROWNING 
: —it is a good pun—and who is working only occasionally but is still very skilled and has to travel and then has to pay on top of that a further $380 to do the refreshers to brush up for the registration this is driving skilled people out. And it is getting into the grey area of operating under someone else’s registration and ticket. The board in keeping its—let us call it—“disputed funds” will need to look at it. I dare say that the board is listening and I am hoping that it is listening to the debates that go on through this rather shortened process. 
The board needs to better reflect on what it needs for the whole industry to be fairly introspective to make sure it is not operating with conflicts of interest and to look after New Zealand in total by looking after all the tradespeople so that we can have good tradespeople who are able to afford to retain their registration and be kept up to date at an affordable rate so that everyone in the community can benefit. 
We oppose the bill at this point to a fair degree because of the shortened process although understanding that there is some rationale behind it and we look forward to how that is distilled through the select committee process. Thank you.
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MIKE SABIN (National—Northland) 
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 Although I am happy to take a call in support of this bill the Plumbers Gasfitters and Drainlayers Amendment Bill it is fair to say that no one takes any pleasure from speaking to a bill that seeks to validate essentially mistakes of this House. All that said this is not a situation where the intended purpose of the original Act drafted in 2006 has not been sought to be achieved. I am one of the members of the Regulations Review Committee which has tangled with this issue over the past year or certainly since I have been a member of this House and it was obviously a problem long before that. 
It is fair to say that the Plumbers Gasfitters and Drainlayers Board has had its fair share of challenges and troubles over the years and this has certainly complicated the challenges that it has. Having said that it is quite clear that the board which is funded entirely through levies has gone about executing its role in terms of disciplinary prosecutions and procedures in the best interests of the entire industry and in fact in the best interests of all New Zealanders because of the inherent dangers that would come from shonky practices as alluded to by the Minister. Where the difficulties have arisen is that in the original drafting of the law there is some degree of difficulty about the difference between a levy and a fee and the fact that the Plumbers Gasfitters and Drainlayers Board sought to take prosecutions against people who are not actually registered plumbers. Submissions by plumbers and gasfitters to the Regulations Review Committee certainly alluded to their concerns about this but I think it was generally accepted by all that it is actually in the best interests of the industry as a whole that those who are not registered and who are bringing the industry into disrepute and putting members of the New Zealand public at risk are actually held to account and the board is really the only body that is geared up to achieve that. 
So what we have in this validation legislation is retrospectively dealing with the ultra vires problems that have arisen through a board that has actually followed the intent of the law but the law in itself has not provided the appropriate platform. It sounds black and white talking about it here but I can absolutely say that it is not and that is something that the Office of the Auditor-General has also had some challenges in tangling with. But I think the important thing in terms of supporting this bill in a timely manner is that what we are doing here is validating practices that were in line with the original intent. It is very important to give this industry some certainty to New Zealanders and this board and in that I am happy to commend this bill to the House.