Jackson WillieHon WILLIE JACKSON (Associate Minister for Māori Development): Kia ora tātou. Ngā whanaunga i tae mai nei i tēnei wā ki te tautoko i te pire ki a koe Selwyn whanaunga ngā mihi ki a koe e hoa; he tika me mihi i a koe mō te mahi ki te kōkiri te kaupapa Ngāti Poroutanga i ngā wā katoa—ngā mihi ki a koe e te whanaunga me all ngā whanaunga kua tae mai nei i tēnei wā tēnā koutou tēnā koutou tēnā anō tātou katoa.[To the kinsmen who are here today to support the bill to you Selwyn greetings to you my friend; it is appropriate to acknowledge you who have worked tirelessly to advance the interests of Ngāti Porou—I salute you my relation and all the relations who have come here today greetings greetings one and all.]It was lovely hearing from the member on the other side. I was probably a little bit rough towards him last night when I talked about his whānau and I think I was a little bit out of line so I give my apologies there. I know the Bidois whānau is a very proud whānau and I wish him all the best and it was a very good contribution there in terms of this bill.When we talk about this bill it's interesting particularly in terms of pulling our hapū together and that is the essence of this bill the Ngā Rohe Moana o Ngā Hapū o Ngāti Porou Bill (No 2). It is a challenge to bring all hapū together and no more so are we seeing that than in Ngāpuhi at the moment where it is a heck of a job that our Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations is going through in terms of trying to whakakotahi i ngā hapū o Ngāpuhi [unite the tribes of Ngāpuhi]. It is one of the biggest challenges for any Minister.I hear the references to Chris Finlayson and I know the type of work that he did do. His mahi will be missed and his contribution is noted and I think it's appropriate that the whole of the House note what he went through. Trying to pull hapū together as has been done in this bill is one of the toughest things when you go through this process. Of course we've had 10 or 11 hapū opt out for various reasons but the reality is that we move on and we get a settlement. You have ups and downs through these settlements and you try and find the right way.I heard Shane Jones talking about the support. I'll be interested in terms of the relationship that the Ngāti Porou leadership tries to build with urban Māori. I think it's a tremendously important challenge and a challenge that I've put to the leadership of Ngāti Porou for many many years particularly when the majority of Ngāti Porou do not live in Ngāti Porou. So in terms of the bill what are the connections and how are the relationships going to be recognised in terms of Ngāti Porou? How are the benefits going to be passed on? What is being set up in terms of Ruatōria and South Auckland Ruatōria and west Auckland Ruatōria and Porirua—where all Ngāti Porou are around—or Ruatōria and Wainuiōmata?These are the challenges I think that the rūnanga have to work through in terms of their connection because it's something that is in front of us at all times and something that the Hon Shane Jones talked about—well didn't talk about but there are these questions that sometimes these settlements go through and we wonder who the settlement is going to be applied to. How will everyone benefit? It's a big question in Ngāpuhi at the moment. That's why they're almost killing themselves—these are all Marama Davidson's relations. You've got the radical Marama Davidson relations who don't want to sign—not interested not interested in any of it. The ones who are a little bit saner—oh no I shouldn't say that Marama. But the ones who want to get on with the business—Shane Jones' son for instance and all the other different whanaunga—want to do the business.It's such a challenge this Treaty settlement process but I mihi to my whanaunga Selwyn Parata and others who have made a choice to get on with it and they get on with it despite all the allegations of selling out the different hapū. They get those allegations. As part of being a Treaty or a tribal leader you get called a seller you get called everything else but you get on with the business. The reality is that if you get into this game you've got to take the hits that go along with it and that's the reality. So people are not going to be happy with the deal but I think we've got a good deal here. I mihi to the Māori Affairs Committee who've done the business and I think we're on track for ngā rohe moana o ngā hapū o Ngāti Porou to come together kia whakakotahi mō te kaupapa [to unite for the occasion]. Kia ora anō tātou katoa.