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Bakshi Kanwaljit Singh: Arts Council of New Zealand Toi Aotearoa Bill — First Reading 
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Bakshi Kanwaljit Singh: Arts Council of New Zealand Toi Aotearoa Bill — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 18 August 2010. Volume:665;Page:13276. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
KANWALJIT SINGH BAKSHI (National) 
: 
 I stand to support the Arts Council of New Zealand Toi Aotearoa Bill. This bill streamlines Creative New Zealand’s four governing bodies into a single entity. Art and culture depict the history of a country. This Government is very serious about preserving the art and culture of this country. If one wants to terminate the culture of a country one does not need to burn books but one has to stop people reading them; one has to stop them from practising their culture. This bill will ensure that the high artistic and cultural ethics of the citizens of New Zealand are preserved. 
Most important this bill will result in the saving of approximately $200000 per year. The benefit of this is that staff will be able to wholly concentrate on the arts sector. The Arts Council board will be responsible for policies strategy and funding allocation. There will be 13 members instead of the 28 members currently serving on the board. 
Mahatma Gandhi once said that no culture can live if it attempts to be exclusive. To ensure that the new council is fully acquainted with a knowledge of Maori art four members of the Maori heritage will be appointed by the Minister of Arts Culture and Heritage in consultation with the Minister of Maori Affairs. By the same token at least two members will be appointed who have equal awareness and understanding of Pacific Island people in New Zealand. Those members will be selected in consultation with the Minister of Pacific Island Affairs. 
Rather than spending vital time and resources preparing a strategy plan every 3 years the Arts Council will be required to prepare a statement of intent. This will ensure that staff can concentrate on creative work rather than servicing bureaucracy. 
The key significance of the bill is the elimination of duplicate functions. This will permit the council to focus its approach totally on strategy and funding for the arts sector which receives its funding from Creative New Zealand. The Government will no longer influence which bodies are funded. This bill will allow the Arts Council to make such decisions. Therefore the people of New Zealand will benefit greatly from this bill. It will give them a superior selection and better-funded variety of regional symphonies theatre companies and arts-related events in New Zealand. I congratulate Chris Finlayson who has great passion for art and culture on bringing this bill to the House. I fully support it. 
Bill read a first time.
Carter David: Arts Council of New Zealand Toi Aotearoa Bill — First Reading 
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Carter David: Arts Council of New Zealand Toi Aotearoa Bill — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 18 August 2010. Volume:665;Page:13276. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon DAVID CARTER (Minister of Agriculture) 
on behalf of the  
Minister for Arts Culture and Heritage 
: I move  
That the Government Administration Committee consider the Arts Council of New Zealand Toi Aotearoa Bill 
 that the committee report finally to the House on or before 3 December 2010 and that the committee have authority to meet at any time while the House is sitting (except during oral questions) and during any evening on a day on which there has been a sitting of the House and on a Friday in a week in which there has been a sitting of the House despite Standing Orders 187 and 190(1)(b) and (c) 
. 
Motion agreed to.
Vote: Third Readings — 
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[Sitting date: 18 August 2010. Volume:665;Page:13265. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
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vote was called for on the question  
That the Children Young Persons and Their Families Amendment Bill the Education Amendment Bill (No 3) the Taxation (Definitions of Dependent Child) Bill the Social Security (New Work Tests Incentives and Obligations) Amendment Bill and the War Pensions Amendment Bill (No 3) be now read a third time. 
Ayes 65 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; Maori Party 1 (Turia); United Future 1. 
Noes 55 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 9; Maori Party 3 (Flavell Harawira Katene); Progressive 1. 
Bills read a third time. 
[Hon Dr Pita Sharples originally recorded as voting for the Noes. Corrected to Rahui Katene.]
Lotu-Iiga Sam: Third Readings — 
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[Sitting date: 18 August 2010. Volume:665;Page:13264. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
PESETA SAM LOTU-IIGA (National—Maungakiekie) 
: 
 It is a pleasure for me to rise to speak to this legislation. I thank Carmel Sepuloni the honourable member who has just resumed her seat for her contribution albeit scarce in intelligence content or substance. But I thank her for her ability to connect with real people on Facebook. I thank her for turning up to public meetings in Mount Wellington which is in my electorate while she claims to be a westie out in Waitakere. I thank her for her contribution because if she thinks she will beat the Minister for Social Development and Employment the Hon Paula Bennett in Waitakere then she will have to get off Facebook get out of other people’s electorates and start doing some real work in her own electorate. 
This legislation is about National delivering on its pre-election promise and it is about reforming the welfare system. It is about us as National members and as this Government trusting New Zealanders. It is about trusting New Zealanders to go out and work. When I walk the streets of Onehunga and talk to those who are in need when I speak to so-called real people as does the previous speaker—who by her own admission said that she was annoyed angry and frustrated—I hear them saying that they want to work. They do; they want to work. They want to get out there and deliver on the aspiration that our leadership has provided. 
National members are committed to having a system that supports people when they need it most. There is no doubt that there are people who need welfare assistance. We are here to support them we are here to encourage them and we are here to ensure that if they would like to go out and get those job opportunities they are provided for. You see people who receive a benefit do so because others are out there are working every day earning wages and paying taxes. We believe that paid employment provided not just by the public sector but also the private sector which is important will always offer better choices. It will always offer better choices than welfare dependency. Although we believe that welfare is important we do not believe unlike members opposite that welfare is the only way for those with children. 
This legislation is about action and this Government has provided plenty of action in terms of the legislation that we need to go forward in this country. We do not refer to beneficiaries as “these people”. The previous speaker was talking about “these people” doing this and “these people” doing that. No—they are people; they are beneficiaries. They are not clients; they are not “these people”. We do not want everyone to depend on the State. Like my colleagues I commend this legislation to the House and it is certainly a pleasure to put this legislation through.
Blue Jackie: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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[Sitting date: 18 August 2010. Volume:665;Page:13208. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
9. 
Dr JACKIE BLUE (National) 
 to the  
Minister of Transport 
: What actions has the Government taken to improve the safety of taxi drivers? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE (Minister of Transport) 
: 
 I announced last week that all taxis in our larger towns and cities will be fitted with security cameras along with measures to tighten up communications requirements for all taxis around New Zealand. Unfortunately the working environment for taxi drivers is no longer safe as it once was. Since December 2008 there have been a number of serious attacks on taxi drivers and two deaths. These measures will help to enhance the safety of both taxi drivers and their passengers. 
Dr Jackie Blue 
: What support is there for these moves? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE 
: In-vehicle cameras are widely supported across the industry both by Taxi Federation members and by most non-federation companies. Although drivers can never be 100 percent safe these measures will significantly reduce the risks that drivers face. The available evidence suggests that in-vehicle cameras could reduce crime against taxi drivers by up to 70 percent and taxi fare evasion by a similar amount. 
Hon Darren Hughes 
: Why did he cite Australian evidence as a justification for introducing this policy in a New Zealand setting when he chooses to ignore Australian evidence for lowering the alcohol limit for driving as my bill would do? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE 
: Because the evidence of the actual harm caused by drivers with a blood-alcohol level of between 0.05 and 0.08 in this country is not available because a previous Government did not make the legislative change that would have allowed that data to be collected. It is a bit of a joke to hear from the member on that subject given the previous Government’s incredibly poor record.
Smith Lockwood: Urgent Debates — Heather Roy—Ministerial Resignation 
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[Sitting date: 18 August 2010. Volume:665;Page:13212. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I have received a letter from the Hon Darren Hughes seeking to debate under Standing Order 380 the resignation of the Minister of Consumer Affairs Heather Roy. This is a particular case of recent occurrence involving ministerial responsibility. Not every ministerial resignation will lead to an urgent debate being accepted. However having carefully considered this application I have decided to err on the side of allowing the debate. The application is therefore accepted. I call on the Hon Darren Hughes to move that the House take note of a matter of urgent public importance.
Kaye Nikki: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Kaye Nikki: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Sitting date: 18 August 2010. Volume:665;Page:13210. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
11. 
NIKKI KAYE (National—Auckland Central) 
 to the  
Minister of Customs 
: What reports has he received about the performance of the SmartGate system? 
Hon MAURICE WILLIAMSON (Minister of Customs) 
: 
 I bring good news to the House—more good news. Last week the SmartGate automated border clearance processing system processed its 300000th passenger. This level of uptake highlights how incredibly successful the SmartGate system has been since it was launched just 8 months ago. Over 50 percent of all eligible New Zealand passport holders are now using it. Customs officers are reporting to me that a lot of New Zealanders who do not have an e-passport are saying that they will upgrade their passport early so they can take advantage of SmartGate. My personal favourite though is that over 1300 passengers a week over the age of 60 are enjoying the benefits of SmartGate. 
Nikki Kaye 
: What are the benefits of using SmartGate? 
Hon MAURICE WILLIAMSON 
: The benefits of SmartGate are huge. The system makes the arrivals process much quicker and easier for trans-Tasman passengers. I think my second personal favourite is that there is an average processing time through the gates of 22 seconds—22 seconds. We hope to get that better. SmartGate also enables the Customs Service to focus its important resources on higher-risk passengers and operate more efficiently as the system is progressively introduced across other airports with Christchurch International Airport to come next month. SmartGate is currently operating for trans-Tasman passengers arriving in Auckland and Wellington but on 13 October it is Christchurch’s turn.
Parata Hekia: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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[Sitting date: 18 August 2010. Volume:665;Page:13202. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
5. 
HEKIA PARATA (National) 
 to the  
Minister of Police 
: What actions are being taken by the police to protect New Zealand children from exploitation via the Internet? 
Hon JUDITH COLLINS (Minister of Police) 
: 
 I am pleased to report that a specialist team in the New Zealand Police called OCEANZ which is short for Online Child Exploitation Across New Zealand is producing excellent results in its work to spare children from abuse by online predators. The squad was formed in October last year to coordinate international operations into online paedophile networks and to identify and rescue victims of abuse. It also targets those who produce images of abuse for financial gain. The team has already rescued six children from current sex abuse settings safeguarded a further 25 children from potential sexual abuse and identified another two victims from images seized during its investigations. The team’s work has also led to an offender in the UK being arrested for extremely serious offences. 
Hekia Parata 
: What other agencies are the police working with to protect children from exploitation by online predators? 
Hon JUDITH COLLINS 
: The OCEANZ squad is working closely with its New Zealand partners in the Department of Internal Affairs and the Customs Service. In addition the police have just joined the Virtual Global Taskforce. The task force is made up of law enforcement agencies from around the world working together to fight child abuse online. This will strengthen the efforts being conducted on an international scale to break online paedophile networks and to protect and rescue children from abuse.
Smith Lockwood: Visitors — Papua New Guinea Independent State—Minister for Defence 
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Smith Lockwood: Visitors — Papua New Guinea Independent State—Minister for Defence 
[Sitting date: 18 August 2010. Volume:665;Page:13197. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I have much pleasure in informing the House that the Hon Bob Dadae Minister for Defence from the National Parliament of the Independent State of Papua New Guinea is within the precincts of this Chamber. I am sure members would wish that he be welcomed and accorded a seat on the left of the Chair. 
The Hon Bob Dadae accompanied by the Deputy Speaker entered the Chamber and took a seat on the left of the Chair.
Visitors — Papua New Guinea Independent State—Minister for Defence 
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Visitors — Papua New Guinea Independent State—Minister for Defence 
[Sitting date: 18 August 2010. Volume:665;Page:13197. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Wednesday 18 August 2010 
Mr Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Prayers 
. 
Visitors 
Papua New Guinea Independent State—Minister for Defence 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I have much pleasure in informing the House that the Hon Bob Dadae Minister for Defence from the National Parliament of the Independent State of Papua New Guinea is within the precincts of this Chamber. I am sure members would wish that he be welcomed and accorded a seat on the left of the Chair. 
The Hon Bob Dadae accompanied by the Deputy Speaker entered the Chamber and took a seat on the left of the Chair.
Dalziel Lianne: Crimes (Provocation Repeal) Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
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[Sitting date: 17 November 2009. Volume:659;Page:7756. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon LIANNE DALZIEL (Labour—Christchurch East) 
: 
 I rise to of course support the Crimes (Provocation Repeal) Amendment Bill. I just had to check the title because the bill that my colleague Charles Chauvel was involved in drafting and that I introduced in my name as a member’s bill the Crimes (Abolition of Defence of Provocation) Amendment Bill was actually a bill that we withdrew in order to enable the Government bill to proceed as it has done. I too would like to join with the Minister in congratulating the Justice and Electoral Committee on the work it did and the small number of submitters on the bill. 
I know there are different views amongst different parts of the legal profession about the nature of the provocation defence but I am very much of the view that it is an anachronistic relic of New Zealand’s legal past and that it must be repealed. I am highly supportive of the legislation that we are debating here tonight. My issues around this particular defence date back to when I was a law student. I recall the case of Leigh Minnett. I want to again place on record the fact that in my view we need to pay tribute to people like her. Her life was taken from her and then the person who took her life was able to rely upon a defence that actually excused the most extreme response to the most minor provocation that anyone could imagine. In that particular case in the offender’s own words the provocation was that she was comparing his own prowess with that of her new partner. I remember at the time reading a women’s magazine that reassigned the letters of the word “manslaughter” to read “mans-laughter”. 
Debate interrupted.
Choudhary Ashraf: Biosecurity Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
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Choudhary Ashraf: Biosecurity Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Sitting date: 17 November 2009. Volume:659;Page:7754. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Dr ASHRAF CHOUDHARY (Labour) 
: 
 I will take just a brief call because I feel that we do not yet have some important information. As members know my colleague suggested earlier that a lot of nationalities and ethnic people are living in New Zealand and a lot of people are travelling to New Zealand from many other parts of the world. But we also have a bit of an issue in relation particularly to the source countries that some of these predators come from be they insects pests or diseases. I invite the Minister in the chair the Hon Gerry Brownlee to perhaps take a brief call to let us know whether he has a list of the regions or countries that are the main source of some of these potential hazards and biosecurity issues. I would be very keen for the Minister to take a brief call to let us know particularly which main regions and countries of the world are the sources from whence we have these potential problems coming into this country. 
Clauses 1 to 8 agreed to. 
Bill reported without amendment. 
Report adopted.
King Colin: Biosecurity Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
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[Sitting date: 17 November 2009. Volume:659;Page:7750. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
COLIN KING (National—Kaikoura) 
: 
 I will deal with a couple of points with regard to the Biosecurity Amendment Bill. The first is the process around the accelerated procedure. A lot of people come into this country and fail to declare foodstuffs in violation of our biosecurity laws. This bill enacts a process whereby within 14 days action can be taken to take back money through the courts. That is very important because when we look at the set-up of things we see that the instant fine procedure has been very successful. It has not been changed for a decade and therefore we think that is very necessary. 
All in all once this bill receives the Royal assent—and I believe it will—in 12 months’ time we will have the regulations sorted and we will be looking at moving forward in such a way that the infringement scheme will be successful. I think that is a very appropriate action. This bill is a very good bill and I certainly commend it to the House.
Calder Cam: Corrections (Contract Management of Prisons) Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
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[Sitting date: 17 November 2009. Volume:659;Page:7744. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Dr CAM CALDER (National) 
: 
 It is a privilege to stand and speak on the Corrections (Contract Management of Prisons) Amendment Bill. I thank the Hon George Hawkins for the very wise words he said to me here just a few minutes ago. 
This bill is yet another example of John Key’s principled pragmatic inclusive National-led Government keeping our promises. This Government recognises that law and order and concerns about personal security are uppermost in the minds of New Zealanders. We are addressing their concerns in many areas and at a number of levels. 
Paul Quinn 
: George said that? 
Dr CAM CALDER 
: No George did not say that but this is what we are doing. We are facing up to the myriad of challenges. I contrast this with the late unlamented lackadaisical Labour administration an administration where year after year an original thought was as rare as a burst of ribaldry at a vicarage garden party. It was an administration whose approach to any pressing problem or challenge was to dole out dollops of dross from a donkey dray of dogma—a tired terminally fatigued administration that became a loquacious lobbyist for lassitude languor and inaction. In stark contrast to that administration this Government is committed to finding solutions. 
I wish at this stage to acknowledge the excellent work done by many men and women in the corrections service. We believe however that this bill will encourage and enhance the exposure of our corrections system to world-class innovation and expertise. That is crucial if we are to deliver the very best corrections services for New Zealand. Encouraging best practice and the safe and effective delivery of correctional services would be facilitated under private prison management by the ability to build performance incentives and penalties into contracts. I commend this bill to the House.
Vote: Corrections (Contract Management of Prisons) Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
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[Sitting date: 17 November 2009. Volume:659;Page:7745. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Corrections (Contract Management of Prisons) Amendment Bill be now read a second time. 
Ayes 69 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; Maori Party 5; United Future 1. 
Noes 53 
New Zealand Labour 43; Green Party 9; Progressive 1. 
Bill read a second time.
Vote: Corrections (Contract Management of Prisons) Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
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[Sitting date: 17 November 2009. Volume:659;Page:7745. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments recommended by the Law and Order Committee by majority be agreed to. 
Ayes 69 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; Maori Party 5; United Future 1. 
Noes 53 
New Zealand Labour 43; Green Party 9; Progressive 1. 
Question agreed to.
Goodhew Jo: Biosecurity Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
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[Sitting date: 17 November 2009. Volume:659;Page:7745. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
JO GOODHEW (Junior Whip—National) 
: 
 I seek leave of the Committee that all clauses in the Committee stage of the Biosecurity Amendment Bill be taken as one question. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: Leave is sought for that purpose. Is there anyone opposed to that course of action? It appears not. Leave is granted.
Brownlee Gerry: Sittings of the House 
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[Sitting date: 17 November 2009. Volume:659;Page:7724. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (Leader of the House) 
: 
 Ditto. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Is there any objection now for that course of action? There is none. 
Sitting suspended from 6 p.m. to 7.30 p.m.
Garrett David: Sittings of the House 
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[Sitting date: 17 November 2009. Volume:659;Page:7724. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
DAVID GARRETT (ACT) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I regret that prior to the maiden statement we have just heard I actually called for a party vote on the vote that was held but my call was not heard. I regret to have to ask whether we can ask for a party vote at this time or at least record that the ACT Party objected to and was against that voting course. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I am afraid the honourable member should have made his position clear at the time. I looked around the House I saw no one call for a party vote and that is why I went on to the maiden statement. It is now too late to call for a party vote on that matter. We are now within 1 minute of the House rising for the dinner break. I am in the hands of the House. I wonder whether it is worth seeking leave again.
Brownlee Gerry: Sittings of the House 
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[Sitting date: 17 November 2009. Volume:659;Page:7724. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (Leader of the House) 
: 
 We are about 2 minutes away from the dinner break. Accordingly I move that the House now adjourns for the dinner break. 
David Garrett 
: Point of order— 
Mr SPEAKER 
: We are already on a point of order raised by the Hon Gerry Brownlee and I must put that to the House first. Leave is sought to adjourn for the dinner break. Is there any objection to that course of action? There is objection.
Young Jonathan: Third Readings — 
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[Sitting date: 17 November 2009. Volume:659;Page:7720. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
JONATHAN YOUNG (National—New Plymouth) 
: 
 I am very pleased to see the final readings of this series of bills. It is vitally important to New Zealand’s standing in the international trading community to have sound best-practice systems so our export-orientated country does not have impediments perceived or real that would dissuade any traders from participating in our market. In regard to emissions trading it is very important to have a regulated framework. It is essential. The global market and its disruptions mean that safe partners can no longer be assumed and these bills work towards bringing that sense of surety regulation and framework. The bill also works to define the emissions units. The world around us is changing and a new commodity that markets need to come to grips with is emissions units. I am very pleased to commend these bills to the House. Thank you. 
Bills read a third time.
Turia Tariana: Ngati Apa (North Island) Claims Settlement Bill — First Reading 
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Turia Tariana: Ngati Apa (North Island) Claims Settlement Bill — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 17 November 2009. Volume:659;Page:7707. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon TARIANA TURIA (Minister for the Community and Voluntary Sector) 
 on behalf of the  
Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations 
: I move  
That the Ngati Apa (North Island) Claims Settlement Bill be considered by the Maori Affairs Committee 
 that the committee report finally to the House on or before 17 March 2010 and that the committee have authority to meet at any time while the House is sitting (except during oral questions) during any evening on a day on which there has been a sitting of the House and on a Friday in a week in which there has been a sitting of the House despite Standing Orders 187 and 190(1)(b) and (c) 
. 
Motion agreed to. 
Waiata
Bridges Simon: Ngati Apa (North Island) Claims Settlement Bill — First Reading 
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Bridges Simon: Ngati Apa (North Island) Claims Settlement Bill — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 17 November 2009. Volume:659;Page:7707. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
SIMON BRIDGES (National—Tauranga) 
: 
 It has been very interesting listening to the speeches in this debate and what is clear is that this is a settlement that has been advanced by Ngati Apa with dignity integrity and purpose. I have been heartened to hear as an outsider of the involvement of youth in this settlement—our future in this nation—who have not had a backward-looking or an overly backward-looking approach but have been resolutely future-focused in their approach to this settlement. On the other side can I like the other speakers congratulate the members of the Crown who played an integral part—the Hon Chris Finlayson and those before him including Parekura Horomia Mita Ririnui and of course Tariana Turia. It is sometimes hollow I think to wax lyrical in settlement bills about what has happened when one either is not affiliated to the iwi or has not been directly or even indirectly involved in Crown negotiations but can I simply say that this is I think another settlement moving this nation forward. It is another huge occasion for all those who are involved in it and it is a happy joyful day. I look forward to being on the Maori Affairs Committee that receives this bill shortly. 
Bill read a first time.
Sittings of the House 
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Sittings of the House 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (Leader of the House) 
: 
 We are about 2 minutes away from the dinner break. Accordingly I move that the House now adjourns for the dinner break. 
David Garrett 
: Point of order— 
Mr SPEAKER 
: We are already on a point of order raised by the Hon Gerry Brownlee and I must put that to the House first. Leave is sought to adjourn for the dinner break. Is there any objection to that course of action? There is objection. 
DAVID GARRETT (ACT) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I regret that prior to the maiden statement we have just heard I actually called for a party vote on the vote that was held but my call was not heard. I regret to have to ask whether we can ask for a party vote at this time or at least record that the ACT Party objected to and was against that voting course. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I am afraid the honourable member should have made his position clear at the time. I looked around the House I saw no one call for a party vote and that is why I went on to the maiden statement. It is now too late to call for a party vote on that matter. We are now within 1 minute of the House rising for the dinner break. I am in the hands of the House. I wonder whether it is worth seeking leave again. 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (Leader of the House) 
: 
 Ditto. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Is there any objection now for that course of action? There is none. 
Sitting suspended from 6 p.m. to 7.30 p.m.
Members Sworn 
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[Sitting date: 17 November 2009. Volume:659;Page:7675. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Members Sworn 
Mr Speaker 
 administered the Oath of Allegiance to David Clendon who then took his seat in the House.
List Member Vacancy 
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List Member Vacancy 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I have been advised by the Chief Electoral Officer that pursuant to section 137 of the Electoral Act 1993 David James Clendon has been declared to be elected a member of the House of Representatives in place of Susan Bradford. I understand that David Clendon is present and wishes to affirm. Would he please come forward to the chair on my right.
Resignations — Sue Bradford Green 
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[Sitting date: 17 November 2009. Volume:659;Page:7675. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Tuesday 17 November 2009 
Mr Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Prayers 
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Resignations 
Sue Bradford Green 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I wish to advise the House that I have received a letter from Susan Bradford resigning her seat in the House with effect at midnight on Friday 30 October 2009.
Moroney Sue: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
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[Sitting date: 17 November 2009. Volume:659;Page:7692. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
2.  
SUE MORONEY (Labour) 
 to the  
Chairperson of the Education and Science Committee 
: Has the committee scheduled hearings for Sue Kedgley’s petition of 15683 New Zealanders who have asked to reinstate healthy food guidelines? 
ALLAN PEACHEY (Chairperson of the Education and Science Committee): 
 As this petition is still before the committee for consideration all matters relating to it are confidential committee proceedings at this stage. 
Sue Moroney 
: Why does he want to hear about healthy food guidelines but not about fair pay for school support staff and others? 
Mr SPEAKER 
: That concludes questions for oral answer. 
Sue Moroney 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I seek your advice. This goes to the heart of our democratic processes within this Parliament. I am seeking an answer from representatives of the Government about why they shut down the voice of nearly 16000— 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The member will resume her seat immediately. She cannot use a point of order to litigate that kind of issue. She sought to ask under the Standing Orders a question of the chair of a committee. The Standing Orders provide very limited bounds around supplementary questions that can be asked in such circumstances. The information the member sought to elicit by way of a supplementary question was not within the Standing Orders provisions. If the member wishes to get that information she should put down a question to a Minister but while the matter is still under the consideration of the committee it is hard to imagine an appropriate question to the chair of the committee. 
Sue Moroney 
: I seek leave of the House to table a letter from me to the chairperson of the Transport and Industrial Relations Committee asking for an official response to a petition on pay equity from me and 15808 other people because the select committee has yet to— 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to table that document. Is there any objection? There is objection.
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1.  
SUE MORONEY (Labour) 
 to the  
Chairperson of the Education and Science Committee 
: Has the Education and Science Committee received the petition of Sue Kedgley and the 15683 New Zealanders who have asked for the reinstatement of healthy food guidelines? 
ALLAN PEACHEY (Chairperson of the Education and Science Committee): 
 Yes. 
Sue Moroney 
: Why did he agree to hear submissions on this petition but refuse to give the same consideration to the 15808 signatories of the pay equity petition? 
Mr SPEAKER 
: With questions to members supplementary questions must relate very specifically to the primary question. The member has just asked about a totally different issue. I will give her a chance to ask another supplementary question should she wish but I must warn her that the supplementary questions available on this question are very limited. 
Sue Moroney 
: Why did he agree to hear submissions on this petition which had fewer signatories than another petition that he did not wish to hear submissions on? 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I do not see how that supplementary question is in order at all. I do not see how that is a decision of the chairperson at all. I am afraid I must ask the member to go on to question to member No. 2.
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11.  
CHESTER BORROWS (National—Whanganui) 
 to the  
Minister of Police 
: Have there been any successful operations recently in the fight by this Government against the scourge of methamphetamine? 
Hon JUDITH COLLINS (Minister of Police) 
: 
 Yes I am very pleased to advise that Operation Rapid a joint operation between the New Zealand Police and the New Zealand Customs Service last week resulted in the interception of a shipment of methamphetamine worth up to $6 million on the street. That interception sends a strong signal to crime bosses who want to bring drugs into New Zealand that we will be working very hard to put them out of business. 
Chester Borrows 
: What effect would those drugs have had on our communities if it were not for the determined efforts of those two agencies the Police and the Customs Service and their working so successfully together? 
Hon JUDITH COLLINS 
: The effect on our community would have been devastating. Not only does methamphetamine ruin the lives of those who use it and their families but also there are many disturbing downstream effects which include identity theft corruption violence and drug-related property crime. The methamphetamine trade also pumps millions of dollars into the pockets of organised crime. Police expect that this seizure and the subsequent arrests will have a major impact on the supply of P across New Zealand.
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Mr SPEAKER 
: I wish to advise the House that I have received a letter from Susan Bradford resigning her seat in the House with effect at midnight on Friday 30 October 2009.
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10.  
Hon ANNETTE KING (Deputy Leader—Labour) 
 to the  
Prime Minister 
: Does he stand by all his statements relating to the House timetable for the second reading and subsequent stages of the Local Government (Auckland Council) Bill; if so why? 
Hon JOHN KEY (Prime Minister) 
: 
 As the member will know the House timetable has always been subject to change. I note that the Local Government (Auckland Council) Bill was introduced on 13 May was reported back by the select committee on 4 September and had its Committee stage and third reading on 15 September. 
Hon Annette King 
: Why did the Prime Minister tell New Zealand that this bill had to be rushed through under urgency because the Minister of Local Government had to go overseas when it has been revealed that the timing of the Minister’s trip was organised around a personal engagement rather than any formal requirements to be overseas and does he believe that it was appropriate to put the House into urgency at a huge cost to taxpayers to facilitate a trip to suit a Minister’s girlfriend? 
Hon JOHN KEY 
: Firstly it was important that the Minister was here when the bill was going through the House so that he could correct the misleading statements that the Opposition so often puts up. Secondly the member will know that the Minister had a very busy time when he was overseas but one thing I can confirm is that he was not at Twickenham watching football matches. 
Hon Annette King 
: Did Mr Hide tell the Prime Minister about whether any of his meetings in London Portland Toronto and Los Angeles were time-sensitive including his trip to a Los Angeles theme park or was the timing of his girlfriend’s family wedding the only reason the trip was undertaken at that time? 
Hon JOHN KEY 
: No. The Minister told me in writing that he had a vast array of meetings that were pertinent to his portfolio. I can tell the member that I have read the Minister’s report and it was extremely thorough. I can absolutely confirm that I was not aware that he was going to any football matches unlike members on the other side of the House. He did not go to any as far as I am aware. 
Hon Annette King 
: Which statement is correct: the statement by Rodney Hide who said “I didn’t go into this trip lightly. I thought long and hard about it and knew I would have to justify it.” or the Prime Minister’s comments that Mr Hide’s going at the same time as a family wedding was simply “a happy coincidence” and that Mr Hide did not have enough time to plan such a thing? 
Hon JOHN KEY 
: Both of them are.
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9.  
Dr PAUL HUTCHISON (National—Hunua) 
 to the  
Minister of Health 
: Does he still stand by his policy to deliver better sooner and more convenient health care? 
Hon TONY RYALL (Minister of Health) 
: 
 Yes. The Government inherited significant financial challenges but just as important we are dealing with a public health service that has some clinically vulnerable services. We have previously announced plans for shared board appointments to enhance cooperation and collaboration between neighbouring health boards in order to improve financial and more important clinical viability. Today the Government is announcing that from the beginning of next year Dr David Warburton currently the deputy chair of the Whanganui District Health Board will also serve on the MidCentral District Health Board; and that Mr Sunderland currently a member of the Midcentral District Health Board will also serve on the Whanganui District Health Board. 
Dr Paul Hutchison 
: What other cross-board appointments is the Government making to deal with the substantial challenges that the Minister outlined? 
Hon TONY RYALL 
: The two district health boards in Wellington the Capital and Coast District Health Board and the Hutt Valley District Health Board also face significant challenges and they are highly dependent on each other. For example the Capital and Coast District Health Board does around 40 percent of elective surgery for Hutt Valley residents so both need to work well together to be successful. Mr Keith Hindle a member of the Hutt Valley District Health Board since 2003 has been appointed to the Capital and Coast District Health Board and Mrs Debbie Chin a Wellington resident and a former deputy director-general of health has been appointed as a member of the Hutt Valley District Health Board and a Crown monitor on the Capital and Coast District Health Board. The two appointees will work with the district health boards to accelerate collaboration.
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8.  
PHIL TWYFORD (Labour) 
 to the  
Minister of Local Government 
: Does he stand by all his statements? 
Hon RODNEY HIDE (Minister of Local Government) 
: 
 Yes when taken in context. 
Phil Twyford 
: Does the 19 October Cabinet decision to endorse his proposal to “allow the new Auckland Council to determine”—from 2015—“the governance arrangements and asset ownership for the delivery of water services” still stand; if not when and how was this decision overturned? 
Hon RODNEY HIDE 
: Yes. 
Phil Twyford 
: Was he referring to the Cabinet’s 19 October decision to allow the new Auckland Council to privatise its water assets when he told ACT supporters that at Cabinet “you set the agenda” because “you turn up with your papers” and “they are too busy with their own stuff they’re not bothered” and was he disappointed when they woke up and decided to veto his plan to allow all local government water assets to be privatised? 
Hon RODNEY HIDE 
: I have never been disappointed in working with this Government getting on and doing the business and as that member quite rightly observed the Labour Government spent 9 years on it and did nothing. There are no plans to privatise water assets in Auckland. 
Phil Twyford 
: Does he stand by his statement that privatisation of local government assets is a pretend debate in light of the Government’s decision to allow private ownership of water infrastructure for periods of up to 35 years? 
Hon RODNEY HIDE 
: Let me explain this one more time for that member: there are no proposals to privatise water in Auckland. The decision is simply this: to take what the Labour Government had in place for many years which was that one could enter a public-private partnership for 15 years and to shift it to 35 years to reflect the proper economic life of the asset. If this Government was privatising water what then was the Labour Government doing with its 15-years proposal?
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5.  
RAHUI KATENE (Maori Party—Te Tai Tonga) 
 to the  
Minister for Social Development and Employment 
: Does she agree with American Humane in 2007 that the Children Young Persons and their Families Act 1989 created world-renowned progressive social policy and the opportunity for system transformation in both child welfare and youth justice; if so why is she challenging the “whanau first” rule as reported in the  
New Zealand Herald 
? 
Hon PAULA BENNETT (Minister for Social Development and Employment) 
: 
 Yes we do have a good overall child welfare and youth justice system. However New Zealand has one of the highest rates of child homicide in the OECD. In the last year 75 children under 2 were assaulted and admitted to hospital. Almost 1800 children are re-abused within 6 months. The reasons are complex and contentious but that does not mean we will ignore those problems. 
Rahui Katene 
: Does the Minister agree that the child has a right to its family and that the whanau the family has the right to and the responsibility for its children and in the knowledge that children are also abused in placements with strangers why is she not compelling her department to go through the tribal authorities to identify suitable families to take care of their own? 
Hon PAULA BENNETT 
: What I am doing is being very careful about making any assumptions about what is the best care for those children once they are placed with families. I have asked the department to go back to investigate what the results have been for those children. At the moment through the family group conference process whanau and families are heavily involved. I support that wholeheartedly. We should have the conversation to check that we are getting it right as much as we possibly can. 
Rahui Katene 
: How will this policy turnabout affect the whanau ora policy which is a flagship policy of this Government? 
Hon PAULA BENNETT 
: It will be taken into consideration in any changes that may be proposed but that is a long way down the track.