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Peters Winston: Local Government (Council-Controlled Organisations) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Peters Winston: Local Government (Council-Controlled Organisations) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 19 September 2012. Volume:684;Page:5435. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 That was by far her best speech as well. I seek leave—[ 
Interruption 
] 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Order! I have already said once tonight that when there is a point of order on the floor it is to be terse and to the point and it is to be heard in silence. Courtesy is contagious. 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS 
: I seek leave to table a list of documents obtained from the Gisborne District Council that would be subject to the Local Government (Council-Controlled Organisations) Amendment Bill including BOPLASS Ltd; Gisborne Holdings Ltd with two annual reports and four statements of intent; and Tauwhareparae Farms Ltd or TFL with three annual reports as part of that disclosure.
Barry Maggie: Local Government (Council-Controlled Organisations) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Barry Maggie: Local Government (Council-Controlled Organisations) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 19 September 2012. Volume:684;Page:5435. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
MAGGIE BARRY (National—North Shore) 
: 
 I oppose this bill. Thank you.
Robertson H V Ross: Local Government (Council-Controlled Organisations) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Robertson H V Ross: Local Government (Council-Controlled Organisations) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 19 September 2012. Volume:684;Page:5434. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: The member actually did say that he objected. 
Rt Hon Winston Peters 
: Well we can’t hear it here. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: That may well be a problem with the microphones but I certainly heard it. So if the technician could check the microphones please.
Peters Winston: Local Government (Council-Controlled Organisations) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Peters Winston: Local Government (Council-Controlled Organisations) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 19 September 2012. Volume:684;Page:5434. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. Is someone nodding his head sufficient indication that he objects? Does he not have to say so?
Dean Jacqui: Local Government (Council-Controlled Organisations) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Dean Jacqui: Local Government (Council-Controlled Organisations) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 19 September 2012. Volume:684;Page:5434. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
JACQUI DEAN (National—Waitaki) 
: 
 The Local Government (Council-Controlled Organisations) Amendment Bill is arrant nonsense and I do not support it. Thank you.
Robertson H V Ross: Local Government (Council-Controlled Organisations) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Robertson H V Ross: Local Government (Council-Controlled Organisations) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 19 September 2012. Volume:684;Page:5434. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Is there any objection to that course of action being taken? There is.
Williams Andrew: Local Government (Council-Controlled Organisations) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Williams Andrew: Local Government (Council-Controlled Organisations) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 19 September 2012. Volume:684;Page:5434. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
ANDREW WILLIAMS (NZ First) 
: 
 I—[ 
Interruption 
] 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Order! The point of order on the floor is to be heard in silence. 
ANDREW WILLIAMS 
: I seek leave of the House to table a statement of intent from the Auckland Waterfront Development Agency as an example of an official document that should be subject to the Local Government Official Information and Meetings Act but is presently not.
Robertson H V Ross: Local Government (Council-Controlled Organisations) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Robertson H V Ross: Local Government (Council-Controlled Organisations) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 19 September 2012. Volume:684;Page:5434. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: That is not really a point of order but the member did make a point on the first rejection.
Peters Winston: Local Government (Council-Controlled Organisations) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Peters Winston: Local Government (Council-Controlled Organisations) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 19 September 2012. Volume:684;Page:5433. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. If there is going to be objection to our tabling documents could they at least say it loud enough so that we will know. The process usually requires you to say “Is there objection?” and they need to voice it out loudly rather than just whisper over there. They think—
Robertson H V Ross: Local Government (Council-Controlled Organisations) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Robertson H V Ross: Local Government (Council-Controlled Organisations) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 19 September 2012. Volume:684;Page:5433. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Is there any objection to that course of action being taken? There is.
Peters Winston: Ombudsmen (Cost Recovery) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Peters Winston: Ombudsmen (Cost Recovery) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 19 September 2012. Volume:684;Page:5425. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 If I can get the sound system on I seek leave of the House to table a letter dated 12 September 2012 from a constituent who said amongst other things that the bill will stop abuse of the Ombudsman’s agency by less than upfront entities and who generally supports the legislation—dated 12 September.
Williams Andrew: Local Government (Council-Controlled Organisations) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Williams Andrew: Local Government (Council-Controlled Organisations) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 19 September 2012. Volume:684;Page:5433. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
ANDREW WILLIAMS (NZ First) 
: 
 I seek leave to table a Ports of Auckland document a labour strategy memo that has been leaked to us which is a document that would be obtainable through the Local Government Official Information and Meetings Act if changes proposed by Local Government (Council-Controlled Organisations) Amendment Bill were to be enacted.
Peters Winston: Local Government (Council-Controlled Organisations) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Peters Winston: Local Government (Council-Controlled Organisations) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 19 September 2012. Volume:684;Page:5433. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 I seek leave to table a document containing a list of council-controlled organisations in Tauranga that will be subject to the Local Government (Council-Controlled Organisations) Amendment Bill including Tauranga City Investments Ltd Tauranga City Aquatics Ltd Tauranga City Venues the Western Bay of Plenty Tourism and Visitors Trust the Tauranga Art Gallery Trust and deliverables specific to the trust and two more: Bay of Plenty Local Authority Shared Services and Bay Broadband Ltd in case people do not know the ambit of this legislation.
Wagner Nicky: Local Government (Council-Controlled Organisations) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Wagner Nicky: Local Government (Council-Controlled Organisations) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 19 September 2012. Volume:684;Page:5432. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
NICKY WAGNER (National—Christchurch Central) 
: 
 This Local Government (Council-Controlled Organisations) Amendment Bill is designed to bring port companies and their subsidiaries under the definition of a “council-controlled organisation” in the Local Government Act. New Zealand is a very small country a long way away from major markets so it is absolutely vital that our transport infrastructure is as efficient and as effective as possible. But actually because our country is so dependent on its ports it needs to be even more than that. We need our port companies to be innovative and to be sharply competitive so that they can keep the costs down for our exporters. The health the wealth and the well-being of our country are absolutely predicated on us selling our produce overseas. So any legislation that adds barriers or makes it difficult for exporters to compete internationally cheats—yes cheats—everyone in our community. Adding another layer of bureaucracy will only add more costs and reduce the efficiency of our ports. Every exporter and every importer will suffer and society as a whole will pay the price of less funds coming into our country and increased prices in our stores. 
Port companies are not local government bodies. They are commercial entities and part of the essential infrastructure that underpins the well-being of our country. There is no sense in this bill. It just increases the costs for all of us for absolutely no benefit.
Robertson H V Ross: Local Government (Council-Controlled Organisations) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Robertson H V Ross: Local Government (Council-Controlled Organisations) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 19 September 2012. Volume:684;Page:5432. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Thank you. Is there any objection to that course of action being taken? There is.
Horan Brendan: Local Government (Council-Controlled Organisations) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Horan Brendan: Local Government (Council-Controlled Organisations) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 19 September 2012. Volume:684;Page:5432. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
BRENDAN HORAN (NZ First) 
: 
 I seek leave to table a document. It is the Government Information (Public Access) Act 2009 No 52 of New South Wales. It is an example of international best practice which this bill seeks to follow.
Vote: Ombudsmen (Cost Recovery) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Vote: Ombudsmen (Cost Recovery) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 19 September 2012. Volume:684;Page:5427. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Ombudsmen (Cost Recovery) Amendment Bill be now read a first time. 
Ayes 59 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 13; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 3; Mana 1. 
Noes 61 
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Motion not agreed to.
Roy Eric: Ombudsmen (Cost Recovery) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Roy Eric: Ombudsmen (Cost Recovery) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 19 September 2012. Volume:684;Page:5427. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to table that document. Is there anyone opposed to that course of action? There is.
Horan Brendan: Ombudsmen (Cost Recovery) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Horan Brendan: Ombudsmen (Cost Recovery) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 19 September 2012. Volume:684;Page:5427. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
BRENDAN HORAN (NZ First) 
: 
 I seek leave to table a report by one Adam Bennett dated 15 February 2012 which states that the Ombudsman is under considerable pressure due to lack of funding.
Roy Eric: Ombudsmen (Cost Recovery) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Roy Eric: Ombudsmen (Cost Recovery) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 19 September 2012. Volume:684;Page:5426. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to table that letter. Is there anyone opposed to that course of action? There is none. 






Document by leave laid on the Table of the House.
Horan Brendan: Ombudsmen (Cost Recovery) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Horan Brendan: Ombudsmen (Cost Recovery) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 19 September 2012. Volume:684;Page:5426. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
BRENDAN HORAN (NZ First) 
: 
 I seek leave to table a letter. It is from a constituent in support of the Ombudsmen (Cost Recovery) Amendment Bill. It is addressed to me and it is dated 19 September 2012.
Bennett David: Ombudsmen (Cost Recovery) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Bennett David: Ombudsmen (Cost Recovery) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 19 September 2012. Volume:684;Page:5425. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
DAVID BENNETT (National—Hamilton East) 
: 
 This bill the Ombudsmen (Cost Recovery) Amendment Bill is one in the name of Shane Jones. I think that we all recognise the importance of the Ombudsmen and the work that is being done and are very much aware and supportive of that work. But we are also aware of the costs that this would impose and as a Government that looks at what is the best for New Zealand going forward in our economic conditions we cannot support it at this time. 
I would just like to say that this is probably one of the better bills that we are going to debate tonight though. The next bill is a very good one in Darien Fenton’s name but following that I think the night will descend into a state of fictional challenges. 
Rt Hon Winston Peters 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. His being new and naive is no excuse to go outside the Standing Orders which says that when you are debating this legislation you cannot refer to a bill coming up two steps away from this. It is simply not allowed. You have got to come back to the debate on the subject before the House which is the Hon Shane Jones’ magnificent bill. 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: The member is correct. I will uphold the point of order. The member should debate the bill currently before us. 
DAVID BENNETT 
: Well unfortunately the bill cannot be supported because it would mean an extra cost into the New Zealand system which is not needed at this time. It is not really the kind of thing you would expect Shane Jones to promote being somebody who is known in the Labour Party as a good advocate for financial management. So it is a bit disappointing that it comes in his name but we do look forward to future bills tonight.
Roy Eric: Ombudsmen (Cost Recovery) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Roy Eric: Ombudsmen (Cost Recovery) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 19 September 2012. Volume:684;Page:5425. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: And that is a letter to you? 
Rt Hon Winston Peters 
: A letter to my colleague. 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: A letter to your colleague? 
Rt Hon Winston Peters 
: Yes. 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to table that document. Is there anyone opposed to that course of action? There is none. 






Document by leave laid on the Table of the House.
Hutchison Paul: Ombudsmen (Cost Recovery) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Hutchison Paul: Ombudsmen (Cost Recovery) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 19 September 2012. Volume:684;Page:5423. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Dr PAUL HUTCHISON (National—Hunua) 
: 
 It is always a pleasure to hear the almost poetic assemblage of words gathered together by the Hon Shane Jones when defending or promoting his various bills—of course today this one the Ombudsmen (Cost Recovery) Amendment Bill. 
But what always concerns me is the unrequited reflex action demonstrated by both the Labour Party and the Greens but perhaps not the New Zealand First Party to spend spend spend without a good and rational reason to do so. 
Hon Shane Jones 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. It is a serious point of order. The use of the word “unrequited” suggests a love-in with me and the Greens. That is wrong. 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Order! That is a debating point. It is not a point of order. 
Brendan Horan 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I noticed once again the Hon Shane Jones had mentioned three or four words and as we know they hang on to those words. His microphone was not on once again and this is happening too often— 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Order! Of course his microphone is not on. The call is over here. Paul Hutchison continues. 
Dr PAUL HUTCHISON 
: One of the things I did notice was his estimation of the costs of this bill being about $700000 but I do know that there has been no detailed work into how this bill would actually— 
Rt Hon Winston Peters 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. With respect my colleague raised a point of order and the point of order was that when some other colleague was seeking to make a point of order at no time was the sound system turned on. To get up and gruffly say that of course it was not on and the thing was over there is utter bunkum. The point of order required it to go there because he had a legitimate point of order to make. Could we have some— 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Order! I hear the point of order now. I thought he was referring to an interjection. I am sorry about that. 
Dr PAUL HUTCHISON 
: The great concern is the fact that the Law Commission has indeed done some work on this. The Government’s response is yes to wait and when this afternoon I asked my PA to ring Shane Jones’ PA to ask for information and detail on this bill she said there was none—she said there was none. We will be voting against this bill.
Roy Eric: Ombudsmen (Cost Recovery) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Roy Eric: Ombudsmen (Cost Recovery) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 19 September 2012. Volume:684;Page:5423. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought for that purpose. Is there anyone opposed to that course of action? There is none. Leave is granted. 






Document by leave laid on the Table of the House.
Jones Shane: Ombudsmen (Cost Recovery) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Jones Shane: Ombudsmen (Cost Recovery) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 19 September 2012. Volume:684;Page:5423. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon SHANE JONES (Labour) 
: 
 I seek the leave of the House to table a document. 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Well I need a bit more information. The source? 
Hon SHANE JONES 
: The document is historical. It is a copy of the investigation undertaken by Mel Smith into the egregious behaviour of the Immigration Service.
Roy Eric: Ombudsmen (Cost Recovery) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Roy Eric: Ombudsmen (Cost Recovery) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 19 September 2012. Volume:684;Page:5423. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Order! The time has expired.
Peters Winston: Ombudsmen (Cost Recovery) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Peters Winston: Ombudsmen (Cost Recovery) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 19 September 2012. Volume:684;Page:5422. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 I seek leave to table in rebuttal of course a complaint by a Christchurch citizen in respect of the Office of the Ombudsmen. He says that the whole office is currently underfunded backing up this bill’s contention. 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to table that paper. Is there anyone opposed to that course of action? There is none. 






Document by leave laid on the Table of the House.
Sabin Mike: Ombudsmen (Cost Recovery) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Sabin Mike: Ombudsmen (Cost Recovery) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 19 September 2012. Volume:684;Page:5422. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
MIKE SABIN (National—Northland) 
: 
 I will take a short call first of all to acknowledge the Hon Shane Jones a fellow Northlander and someone I have a great deal of respect for. I do however feel that it might have been something of a member’s bill hospital pass for the Hon Shane Jones but I will not dwell on that. 
I would like to acknowledge the important role of the Office of the Ombudsmen. One of the stated purposes in this bill is greater compliance with legislative requirements which is of course a very noble and very worthy goal. The importance of the Official Information Act cannot be understated. As a former police officer I can certainly vouch for that. It is a very important part of the constitution of this country. However there is a very real risk in my view of unintended consequences with this bill as it is set out that members could liken to crushing a walnut with a sledgehammer. Although the speech made by the Hon Shane Jones is one that will I am sure be going straight to the pool room this member cannot support this bill beyond this reading. Thank you.
Roy Eric: Ombudsmen (Cost Recovery) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Roy Eric: Ombudsmen (Cost Recovery) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 19 September 2012. Volume:684;Page:5420. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Yes I will put the leave. Leave is sought for the tabling of that document. Is there anyone opposed to that course of action? There is none. 






Document by leave laid on the Table of the House.
Jones Shane: Ombudsmen (Cost Recovery) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Jones Shane: Ombudsmen (Cost Recovery) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 19 September 2012. Volume:684;Page:5420. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon SHANE JONES (Labour) 
: 
 I seek the leave of the House to table it.
Roy Eric: Ombudsmen (Cost Recovery) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Roy Eric: Ombudsmen (Cost Recovery) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 19 September 2012. Volume:684;Page:5420. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: No the member does not need to. I will put the leave.
Jones Shane: Ombudsmen (Cost Recovery) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Jones Shane: Ombudsmen (Cost Recovery) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 19 September 2012. Volume:684;Page:5420. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon SHANE JONES (Labour) 
: 
 If I could briefly elaborate—
Roy Eric: Ombudsmen (Cost Recovery) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Roy Eric: Ombudsmen (Cost Recovery) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 19 September 2012. Volume:684;Page:5420. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: I think members are aware. [ 
Interruption 
] Order!
Jones Shane: Ombudsmen (Cost Recovery) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Jones Shane: Ombudsmen (Cost Recovery) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 19 September 2012. Volume:684;Page:5420. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon SHANE JONES (Labour) 
: 
 It has been provided by a formidable legal firm going by the name of Simpson Grierson which is a firm of great distinction—
Roy Eric: Ombudsmen (Cost Recovery) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Roy Eric: Ombudsmen (Cost Recovery) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 19 September 2012. Volume:684;Page:5420. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Well what is the source?
Jones Shane: Ombudsmen (Cost Recovery) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Jones Shane: Ombudsmen (Cost Recovery) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 19 September 2012. Volume:684;Page:5420. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon SHANE JONES (Labour) 
: 
 I would like to table a document called  
Paying for the Executioner’s Bullet 
. This document is not readily available in the public domain—
Roy Eric: Ombudsmen (Cost Recovery) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Roy Eric: Ombudsmen (Cost Recovery) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 19 September 2012. Volume:684;Page:5418. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: I think we have got the picture. Leave is sought to table that document. Is there anyone opposed to that course of action? There is none. 






Document by leave laid on the Table of the House.
Horan Brendan: Ombudsmen (Cost Recovery) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Horan Brendan: Ombudsmen (Cost Recovery) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 19 September 2012. Volume:684;Page:5418. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
BRENDAN HORAN (NZ First) 
: 
 I would like to seek leave to table a document from the Financial Ombudsman Service in the United Kingdom. It outlines a model of cost recovery that is similar to the one this bill proposes. It is intended primarily as a general guide for businesses—
Roy Eric: Ombudsmen (Cost Recovery) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Roy Eric: Ombudsmen (Cost Recovery) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 19 September 2012. Volume:684;Page:5416. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought for that purpose. Is there anyone opposed to that course of action? There is none. 






Document by leave laid on the Table of the House.
Peters Winston: Ombudsmen (Cost Recovery) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Peters Winston: Ombudsmen (Cost Recovery) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 19 September 2012. Volume:684;Page:5416. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 Just to make sure that someone does not get away with any false arguments I seek leave to table a letter from the Auckland Council charging an exorbitant fee for official information as an example of the injustice of the present legislation which is seeking to be remedied. This letter is dated 13 April 2012 and happens to be addressed to me—seeking information off them. 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Are you seeking to table that? 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS 
: Yes I am.
Horan Brendan: Personal Explanations — Speakers and Presiding Officers—Member’s Apology for Seeking Leave to Table Documents Already Available 
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Horan Brendan: Personal Explanations — Speakers and Presiding Officers—Member’s Apology for Seeking Leave to Table Documents Already Available 
[Sitting date: 19 September 2012. Volume:684;Page:5414. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
BRENDAN HORAN (NZ First) 
: 
 Earlier I was most remiss and my leader has suggested that I stand here. I would like to apologise not only to you Mr Speaker but also to my colleagues from the Greens and also to United Future and to ACT and also— 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Order! I understand what the member is wanting to do but he should seek leave to do that by way of a personal statement. So are you seeking leave? 
BRENDAN HORAN 
: Yes. 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought for that purpose. Is there anyone opposed to that course of action? There is none. The member may proceed. 
BRENDAN HORAN 
: Thank you Mr Speaker. Look I would just like to apologise for trifling with the Chair earlier. 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Thank you. Apology accepted.
Vote: Minimum Wage Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Vote: Minimum Wage Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 19 September 2012. Volume:684;Page:5414. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Minimum Wage Amendment Bill be now read a first time. 
Ayes 59 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 13; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 3; Mana 1. 
Noes 61 
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Motion not agreed to.
O'Connor Simon: Minimum Wage Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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O'Connor Simon: Minimum Wage Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 19 September 2012. Volume:684;Page:5412. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
SIMON O’CONNOR (National—Tamaki) 
: 
 I just want to acknowledge that this bill the Minimum Wage Amendment Bill is about the minimum wage and I think it is probably important to give a minimum time for my speech. I think one thing we need to look at in this is that changing the minimum wage in this fashion is arbitrary but one other aspect to consider is that when we talk about redistribution we normally do that generally through such things as welfare taxes and so forth. What we have here is placing a large burden on a group of taxpayers being small businesses. It is not the right way to do it. We cannot support this bill.
Simpson Scott: Minimum Wage Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Simpson Scott: Minimum Wage Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 19 September 2012. Volume:684;Page:5411. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
SCOTT SIMPSON (National—Coromandel) 
: 
 The Minimum Wage Amendment Bill in the name of David Clark is I am sure a sincerely well-intentioned bill but it is flawed in its philosophy and its thrust and its focus. The way to create wealth for all New Zealanders is to have strong vibrant growing businesses that can afford to pay people well. 
National does not support this bill. We do support the hard-working people of New Zealand but not this bill. I do not want to endorse this bill at all. Thank you.
Tisch Lindsay: Minimum Wage Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Tisch Lindsay: Minimum Wage Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 19 September 2012. Volume:684;Page:5411. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Order! You are trifling with the Chair. I have ruled very clearly that anything that can be accessed by members by whatever means is in the public domain and we do not table that sort of document. I want the member to just reflect on what he is trying to do because that is actually trifling with the decisions that I have made.
Horan Brendan: Minimum Wage Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Horan Brendan: Minimum Wage Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 19 September 2012. Volume:684;Page:5411. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
BRENDAN HORAN (NZ First) 
: 
 I seek leave of the House to table a document from the New Zealand Human Rights Commission entitled  
Low pay and the minimum wage 
. This shows—
Auchinvole Chris: Hutt City Council (Graffiti Removal) Bill — Third Reading 
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CHRIS AUCHINVOLE (National) 
: 
 It is a pleasure to follow Kris Faafoi except I felt it was an unfortunate start to his speech when I saw Mr Mallard sitting forward in anticipation and expectation when Kris said that he was going to congratulate a number of people and he turned and said “But not you Trevor.” 
Hon Trevor Mallard 
: Not yet. 
CHRIS AUCHINVOLE 
: Not yet. But I have never seen such a look of disappointment and a feeling of rejection. So I would like to begin and have it on record that I congratulate the Hon Trevor Mallard on bringing this bill the Hutt City Council (Graffiti Removal) Bill and shepherding it through the House because it is a wonderful achievement and he should be pleased with the success that he has had. 
I would like to perhaps introduce a slightly lighter look to graffiti because everyone so far has been dealing with the heavy and very serious aspects of it. I do not wish to take that away but I do remember— 
Hon Trevor Mallard 
: Kilroy was here. 
CHRIS AUCHINVOLE 
: My opening phrase—“Kilroy was here”—because I knew— 
Hon Trevor Mallard 
: We remember. 
CHRIS AUCHINVOLE 
: I knew there would be someone who would remember. “Stop the war. Yanks go home.”—in my childhood that was about it although on the West Coast there are some old graffiti signs saying “Cantabrians don’t get your whitebait over here.” and that sort of thing. But for the most part graffiti was always very occasional. It was not a feature when I was being brought up. But then I remember when we moved to Christchurch there was a garage door in Fendalton that had a new sign on it every week—quite nicely painted and quite nicely done but it was a pithy sort of statement like “If the world isn’t flat why do we keep trying to blow it up?”. It was quite the talk of the community. We wondered what the phrase was going to be the next week. And then there was a group of people in the flat who clearly had feminist views. It was mostly anti-men but again it was amusing it was witty. Then there was a long period of absence when either they had a tenant who did not want to write anything or they did not have a tenant at all. The following week when you went past it was empty and by the end of the week someone else had written on it “Say something” because people were used to seeing that as they drove past. 
But for the most part tagging is a negative experience and I have heard of incidences today of how communities have been really working hard—hit it hard as soon as it occurs—to get rid of it as soon as it occurs. Those people too are to be congratulated. I commend this bill to the House.
Tisch Lindsay: Minimum Wage Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch) 
: To the member again this is information that is readily available to all members. Members can access that sort of information so we do not table documents that are readily available. When you want to table a document it has to be something that cannot be accessed; it is not in the public domain. That is what tabling a document is about.
Horan Brendan: Minimum Wage Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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BRENDAN HORAN (NZ First) 
: 
 Thank you. I am so sorry about that. It is just that I am so passionate about the people of New Zealand getting fair pay. But I seek leave to table a document from Statistics New Zealand that shows that 53200 departed for Australia last year—
Tisch Lindsay: Minimum Wage Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Leave is sought for that purpose. Is there any objection? There is objection. 
Brendan Horan 
: Shocking. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Can I just remind the member that the House decides whether or not a document is tabled. When that announcement has been made and someone says that they do object to it that is the end of the matter and we cannot comment about that result. Does the member have another point of order?
Stewart Barbara: Minimum Wage Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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BARBARA STEWART (NZ First) 
: 
 I seek leave of the House to table a submission document from Anglican Care Canterbury/Westland social justice division from February 2011 which states that increasing the minimum wage to $15 per hour—
Tisch Lindsay: Minimum Wage Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Order! It is a newspaper and it is readily available to any member.
Horan Brendan: Minimum Wage Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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BRENDAN HORAN (NZ First) 
: 
 I seek leave to table a photocopy of an article by the  
Bay Report 
 dated 20 December 2007. The  
Bay Report 
 is a— 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch) 
: That is a newspaper is it not? It is readily available. 
BRENDAN HORAN 
: Well it is actually a newspaper in Whangarei one of the most beautiful—
Tisch Lindsay: Hutt City Council (Graffiti Removal) Bill — Third Reading 
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The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Members this debate is concluded. The question is that the motion be agreed to. Those of that opinion will say Aye of the contrary opinion will say No. The Ayes have it. 
Brendan Horan 
: Party vote called for. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch) 
: You can ask for a party vote only if you are voting against it. Are you voting against it? 
Brendan Horan 
: Oh sorry. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch) 
: You ask for a party vote only if you are disputing the call that I gave. I said that the Ayes have it. The Ayes have it. 
Bill read a third time.
Sabin Mike: Hutt City Council (Graffiti Removal) Bill — Third Reading 
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MIKE SABIN (National—Northland) 
: 
 This is a very brief call—the last one from the National Party benches—that certainly commends the work of the Hon Trevor Mallard for a very sensible bill the Hutt City Council (Graffiti Removal) Bill and also the Local Government and Environment Committee and the approach it has taken on it. 
Just very briefly Rudi Giuliani a former Mayor of New York coined the phrase “broken windows”. That was born out of his approach to addressing petty crime at the bottom to bring the murder rate down. What he established through that was that if the city got on top of graffiti and those jumping the turnstiles to skip a dollar it actually drove the homicide rate down and the serious crime rate down. That was something that was introduced in New Zealand in many police forces across the country. That approach is very much reflected in this bill. It will not only take care of the unsightly nature of graffiti and the impact that it has in terms of a community’s sense of pride safety and so forth but it will actually I am sure have an impact on bringing down other crime related to it. I have no problem in commending this bill and the sponsoring member to the House. Thank you very much.
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The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Sorry to interrupt the honourable member.
Tisch Lindsay: Hutt City Council (Graffiti Removal) Bill — Third Reading 
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The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch) 
: I understand the next call is a split call. I will ring the bell at 4 minutes.
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JAMI-LEE ROSS (National—Botany) 
: 
 Sometimes in this House there are some things that are really hard to say. I am going to attempt one right now: Good on Trevor Mallard for bringing this bill the Hutt City Council (Graffiti Removal) Bill into the House. I hope I do not have to say that too often in my time here. This is a good little piece of legislation that Trevor Mallard has helped to shepherd through for the Hutt City Council. Congratulations also to the Hutt City Council on proposing it and to the mayor Ray Wallace. 
I will just be very brief here because it is a simple bill and one that seems to have a lot of support around the House. Graffiti is a scourge on the local communities. It is something that locals dislike a lot. When it comes to graffiti on private property it can be difficult for councils to clean it up and for those who have their property graffitied on a regular basis it can be time-consuming and it can be costly for them to clean it up. So enabling the local authority to have the power to go in after giving the property owner notice to go and clean it up is a good thing indeed. My only regret is that this is not actually a nationwide piece of legislation because I think it would be quite good as a nationwide one. 
Chris Hipkins 
: We’ve got a lazy Government. 
JAMI-LEE ROSS 
: Perhaps if we have some decent member’s bill ideas coming forward from the other side of the House—they could consider that for their members’ bills rather than some of the things that are going to actually cost people jobs and cost employers their ability to employ people. This bill is a good one. I support it and hope that it gets through unanimously.
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Mr SPEAKER 
: Honourable members I have received a letter from the Rt Hon Winston Peters seeking to debate under Standing Order 386 the Statistics New Zealand media release today entitled  
Balance of Payments and International Investment Position: June 2012 Quarter 
. The Government Statistician has sole responsibility for deciding the extent form and timing of the publications of statistics that Statistics New Zealand produces. The member in his application refers to the increasing current account deficit. For there to be a particular case of recent occurrence there must be either a new situation of importance or a new development in an existing situation of sufficient importance to warrant a debate being held. Neither a continuing problem nor an accumulation of information meets that test. The application is therefore declined.
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ANDREW WILLIAMS (NZ First) 
 to the  
Member in charge of the Reserve Bank of New Zealand (Amending Primary Function of Bank) Amendment Bill 
: Why is the Reserve Bank of New Zealand (Amending Primary Function of Bank) Amendment Bill needed now? 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Member in charge of the Reserve Bank of New Zealand (Amending Primary Function of Bank) Amendment Bill) 
: 
 New Zealand’s dollar is heading for parity with the US dollar. Our current account deficit is forecast to reach almost 7 percent in the next 2 years. As we know an average of 100 manufacturing jobs are being lost each week and the high dollar is estimated to be costing exporters well over $2 billion a year. We need to have a serious public debate about the future of monetary policy and in particular the historically high dollar. 
Andrew Williams 
: What is the international context of the bill? 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS 
: That is a superb question because this House has heard that we cannot take measures—except around the world Governments and central banks are placing greater emphasis on their exchange rate. The United States right now for example recently began its third round of qualitative easing. So has the United Kingdom. The European Central Bank has cut interest rates. Singapore Japan and Switzerland are actively trading against their respective currencies. Other countries such as Brazil and Canada are operating capital controls whilst we resemble Spain.
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ANDREW WILLIAMS (NZ First) 
: 
 My question is to the former Treasurer the Rt Hon Winston Peters. [ 
Interruption 
] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Andrew Williams question No. 4. 
ANDREW WILLIAMS 
: To the former Treasurer— 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Order! The question has to be to the promoter of the bill.
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Mr SPEAKER 
: I have received letters from Catherine Delahunty and from the Hon Lianne Dalziel seeking to debate under Standing Order 386 the Government’s proposed changes to education in Christchurch Selwyn and Waimakariri. This is a particular case of recent occurrence. The Government’s announcement was in fact not publicly released until after the House sat last Thursday although there were earlier media reports. It involves ministerial responsibility. Although the announcement is a proposal for the future direction and a detailed programme of engagement is being developed the proposal is an important one and foreshadows developments of very considerable public interest. Given the significance of the matter I consider it important enough to warrant the immediate attention of the House by way of an urgent debate. The two applications are not identical but they relate to the same matter. As Catherine Delahunty lodged her application first I call upon her to move that the House take note of a matter of urgent public importance.