McKee NicoleHon NICOLE McKEE (Associate Minister of Justice): Thank you Madam Chair. I'll start my way round through trying to answer some of these questions. To the member from Labour the Hon Duncan Webb: the nature of these orders—you asked me to confirm whether they're protective and not punitive. What these orders are about is making sure that people comply. It's not an extra punishment on them at all. It's about compliance of the regime that's already been placed upon them the order that has been placed upon them so it's not punitive in any way. And of course the ultimate outcome as the member said is about making our communities safer. We need to do that when we're looking at the amount of unlicensed people in possession of illegally held firearms creating harm in our communities. So this is allowing police to be able to actually again confirm that they can monitor on that compliance.The definitions in regard to the gangs legislation—I'm really happy that the Justice Committee went through quite a process with that. In fact we have now ensured that the definitions of gang" and "associate" are the same as the definitions that are in the gangs legislation. Of course picking people up who shouldn't be picked up is not what this bill is about. We want to make sure that we do target the right people. So the bill defines an associate as an individual who associates with a gang or an organised criminal group—as you mentioned—and association is based on the person's connection to the gang or organised criminal group activities rather than to any particular member of that gang. The intended target are people who associate with gangs—those who may not be patch members but are involved in the gang activities and their lifestyle. For example this would include situations where a person frequently attends gang events wears gang insignia or participates in criminal offending with gang members. However it's not intended to target a gang member's family acquaintances or even their colleagues.The Green member Scott Willis—a judge will not issue a firearms protection order. I've said this before so I'm just repeating it: just because a person has been convicted of an offence of one year or more the judge must be satisfied that a firearms protection order is necessary is reasonable and it's appropriate to manage the risk that that offender poses to our communities and to our societies. When you talk of a range of issues of certain people and members being affected I'm thinking about the people who have been the innocent victims who have been shot and killed as they've been caught up in gang warfare. I'm thinking about the grandmothers who open their doors. I'm thinking about the little kids who are asleep on the couches. I want to make sure that we are removing the ability for gang members and violent offenders to be in possession of firearms by one supporting what was a Labour bill to introduce firearms prohibition orders (FPOs) and two giving police the ability to monitor the compliance with those FPOs. You are correct that three quarters of gang members are Māori but over a third of victims in total are also Māori and a lot of them are recidivist victims and the offenders are often recidivist as well. So I think it's a win for our Māori communities who are affected by the illegal possession of firearms and crime.To the member Simon Court: we needed to make this law stronger because while we implemented the FPOs we did not give police the ability to monitor that compliance. We've still had the drive-by shootings occurring and not the ability for the police to be able to actually go in there and make a difference by checking whether or not these people are in possession of firearms. They are able to do that—to go into a firearm-licence owner's home and do these sorts of checks. It makes sense that they're able to do it on those people that have a firearms prohibition order placed upon them. So I am confident that the changes that this Government on this side of the House are making to FPOs will contribute to public safety and will contribute to getting the guns out of the hands of the gangs."