Lee DeniseDENISE LEE (National—Maungakiekie): Thank you very much Madam Chair. I very much appreciate you allowing me to take that call Madam Chair. I am unfortunately not on the Social Services and Community Committee so for someone like me getting my head around this piece of legislation and understanding how I may contribute tonight I went and looked back at some of the submissions. I wish to raise two particular topics: one around Pacific social work theory in relation to an issue that a submitter raised and also the changing nature of the social services workforce and automation—so two really interesting important points that were raised.I'm glad that the previous Green Party member affirmed that scrutinising and being careful and being considerate about this legislation—especially when as I've discovered a 501-page Supplementary Order Paper (SOP) was tabled at the very very very last minute. So for someone like me again it's important—how do I get my head around what we're reading and what we're debating tonight?I came across a submission by Kieran O'Donoghue who's the associate professor and head of the School of Social Work at Massey University. So what he did was he wanted to look at changing section 6AAB and we now know that that has been incorporated—changes in some of the philosophy around the Minister Carmel Sepuloni's SOP. So he was looking at what he believed would be setting boundaries of social work practice—what it is and what it's not—and having clear boundaries for social workers and specialist fields of practice such as child protection health social work mental health social work and kia mahi ora. So he also then raised and I have a question for the Minister in terms of—I guess it's philosophical—whether there's a practical element in the SOP that she developed around a Pasifika scope of practice derived from Pasifika social work theory. He raises his colleague Dr Tracie Mafileo and her work. Is that something that the Minister is familiar with and did she meet with either Dr Mafileo or Kieran O'Donoghue? I recall in last week's debate in this committee stage that the Minister said that she felt that she had a broad consensus and used those words and it therefore gave her confidence in the contents of the SOP. So was that work around Pasifika scope of practice part of what she took on board and gave her confidence?The other part that Kieran O'Donoghue raises is the changing nature of the workforce. I found this really fascinating. He says in his submission a key field of work in the future [will be the work changing] through automation." So how does that affect the social worker field and does this concept form part of the SOP and her decision to bring that forward? I guess it's talking about the very far-reaching and forward-reaching nature of what it is that we need to look at when we decide on legislation in this House. It's not just the here and now; it's what's coming and you couldn't get a more important field than social services and social workers and how we need to take care of some of our most vulnerable.So in the SOP for the Minister did she take into account those two issues: Pasifika social work theory and what was raised by this particular professor and also the changing nature of the workforce through automation—two really important things that he raised? Considering that the Minister confirmed last week that she felt she had a broad consensus did she actually meet with either Dr Tracie Mafileo or Kieran O'Donoghue and receive advice from them around the work and her SOP? Thank you Madam Chair for a chance to submit my particular call and I look forward to those replies from the Minister. Thank you."