van Velden Brooke; McKelvie IanBROOKE VAN VELDEN (Deputy Leader—ACT): Thank you Mr Chair. I would hope with the time that we have left in this Part 2 debate that the Minister would be able to provide some clarity about the iwi-Māori partnership boards because it doesn't matter who I talk to in the healthcare sector nobody seems to understand yet how these iwi-Māori partnership boards would work.I have a few points that I'd like some clarification on and it's that iwi-Māori partnership boards must be recognised by the Māori Health Authority before they can be established as an iwi-Māori partnership board. That would help create a locality plan and part of one of its criteria is that the boundaries of an area covered by the organisation do not overlap with the boundaries of any area covered by any iwi-Māori partnership board". So every iwi-Māori partnership board has to have its own specified locality area and these localities cannot overlap.I've had a query about what happens if over time we may have iwi-Māori partnership boards that go to the Māori Health Authority and say that they'd like to be established as the iwi-Māori partnership board for a particular area a geographic area but then in a few years' time say we end up with another iwi group or another hapū saying that they are the people who are engaged with the local marae and the local concerns of that particular area. How this would work when a particular iwi-Māori partnership board would be defined by the Māori Health Authority as the particular group for that whole area and would there be any right for another group to claim that they in fact are the iwi-Māori partnership board who could apply to the Māori Health Authority? Is it possible that we could have multiple groups all claiming that they are the people who should be the iwi-Māori partnership board for a particular area whereby we actually have overlapping conflicts of interest with different groups in different areas?How do those types of conflicts get reconciled? I do note that if you just look at the Treaty settlement process Ngāpuhi have not signed a Treaty settlement because different groups within Ngāpuhi cannot determine who it is that is in charge to be able to negotiate with the Crown. So in that particular element do we end up with all of Northland not having an iwi-Māori partnership board or could we end up with one group determining that they are in charge of the iwi-Māori partnership board for an entire area? Or is it that you could have eight different groups or 10 different groups all saying that their particular group has claim to a particular area and they know the local groups? How will this work? The Minister has said in the media that you've got potentially up to 80 groups but he doesn't know. So could the groups change over time? How will this work especially when they have to be acknowledged that they're established by the Māori Health Authority? Who is actually in charge of determining who the iwi-Māori partnership board for a particular locality is and if they're established within a particular locality can that change over time? And if that is true who is arbitrating? Is it the Māori Health Authority that is determining that one particular group of people does not lay claim to a particular locality? In some ways there's a conflict there with the Treaty settlement process. CHAIRPERSON (Ian McKelvie): Members the time has come for me to leave the Chair. The committee will resume at 7 o'clock.Sitting suspended from 5.58 p.m. to 7.00 p.m."