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Heatley Phil: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to MembersText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeHeatley Phil: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members[Sitting date: 30 May 2013. Volume:690;Page:10587. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]12.Hon PHIL HEATLEY (National—Whangarei) to theMinister for the Environment: What recent announcements has the Government made to help businesses understand and manage the risks posed by hazardous substances?Hon AMY ADAMS (Minister for the Environment): Yesterday I launched a new multimedia tool box to raise awareness amongst small and medium sized businesses about the risks of working with hazardous substances such as paints solvents and liquid agrichemicals and provided simple tools they can use to minimise those risks. Chronic health problems caused by exposure to hazardous substances all too often lead to disabilities and early death. Businesses and workers need to make themselves more aware of the risks involved and of the simple actions they can take to prevent exposure to hazardous substances. The tool box is part of a wider package to improve compliance with hazardous substances requirements including a comprehensive review of the hazardous substances and new organisms legislation a 3-year campaign to raise public awareness of the importance of the safe handling of chemicals at use at home and at work and an increase in compliance monitoring.Hon Phil Heatley: Why is it important to improve the management of hazardous substance risk? [Interruption]Hon AMY ADAMS: The Opposition might think this is a joke but research shows that every year approximately 500 to 800 New Zealanders die due to industrial illness—more than double the road toll—and many of those deaths are due to exposure to hazardous substances. But a recent survey has shown that only 25 percent of businesses comply with best practice in eight key areas. That is simply not good enough. We have a comprehensive regime in place but awareness and response to critical risks is too low. The Kiwi “she’ll be right” attitude is literally killing us. Exposure to hazardous substances is largely preventable with the right combination of education enforcement and greater investment by industry in modernising safety systems. The announcementswe have made signal that this is a priority issue for this Government and we are aiming at making a real difference to the safety of New Zealanders.
Carter David: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to MembersText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeCarter David: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members[Sitting date: 30 May 2013. Volume:690;Page:10584. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Mr SPEAKER: Leave is sought to do that. Is there any objection to that? Yes there is.
King Colin: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to MembersText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeKing Colin: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members[Sitting date: 30 May 2013. Volume:690;Page:10583. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]9.COLIN KING (National—Kaikōura) to theAssociate Minister of Education: What recent announcements has the Government made regarding the School Network Upgrade Project?Hon NIKKI KAYE (Associate Minister of Education): I was pleased to announce recently that the Government will be investing $136 million over the next 4 years to enable the completion of the School Network Upgrade Project by 2016. This is great news for New Zealand schools because it means that the School Network Upgrade Project will be delivered 2 years early. Under our Government over 1400 schools are now involved in the School Network Upgrade Project. That is over 60 percent of all eligible State and State integrated schools. This announcement is about providing better internet connections for students and teachers. Our Government is committed to providing modern learning environments that create more learning opportunities for all young New Zealanders. This is great news for New Zealand schools.Colin King: What other information can the Minister provide on the completion of the School Network Upgrade Project?Hon NIKKI KAYE: In addition to providing additional money to speed up the School Network Upgrade Project initiative I am pleased that from June 2013 wireless capacity will be included in the School Network Upgrade Project process. The inclusion of wireless in the upgrade process will allow students to be able to learn from more places in their school. This is just another step towards ensuring that students and teachers around New Zealand can take full advantage of our $1.35 billion investment in ultra-fast broadband.Clare Curran: Is it correct that $86 million of the funding that Budget 2013 provides for the School Network Upgrade Project in fact comes from previous allocations and underspends; if so does that not mean that the School Network Upgrade Project is actually behind schedule?Hon NIKKI KAYE: No.
Lotu-Iiga Sam: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to MembersText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeLotu-Iiga Sam: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members[Sitting date: 30 May 2013. Volume:690;Page:10581. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]7.Peseta SAM LOTU-IIGA (National—Maungakiekie) to theMinister of Housing: How will Budget 2013 contribute to delivering more affordable housing and better social housing?Hon Dr NICK SMITH (Minister of Housing): We are tackling the issue of supply identified by the Productivity Commission with the Housing Accords and Special Housing Areas Bill which will enable 39000 homes to be built at pace in Auckland over the next 3 years. I have also had a constructive discussion with other councils on how these tools might help improve supply and affordability in other parts of New Zealand. The Budget also makes major inroads on social housing. It opens up access to the income-related subsidy as part of the Government’s plan to grow the community social housing sector. It also provides for a record $2.9 billion being invested over the next 3 years in upgrading Housing New Zealand’s stock with a real focus on improved quality.Peseta Sam Lotu-Iiga: What specific steps is the Government taking to improve quality and to better match social housing to tenants’ needs?Hon Dr NICK SMITH: There is a big focus on home insulation and every single State house that can be insulated will be insulated by the end of this year. Already the Government has invested in providing insulation for 230000 privately owned homes and the Budget provided a further $100 million so that a further 46000 homes will be able to be insulated. The Budget also provides for Project 324&5 an investment of $260 million in adding 3000 additional bedrooms on to three-bedroom homes to better matchthem to tenants’ needs. This initiative will reduce over-crowding and will be welcomed by many large low-income families around New Zealand.
Peters Winston: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to MembersText is incorporated into the Bound VolumePeters Winston: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members[Sitting date: 30 May 2013. Volume:690;Page:10579. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First): This is something new—Hon Steven Joyce: Something borrowed something blue.Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS: —of the Minister of Transport—[Interruption] But the same sort of incompetence of course.Mr SPEAKER: Order!
Calder Cam: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to MembersText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeCalder Cam: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members[Sitting date: 30 May 2013. Volume:690;Page:10576. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]4.Dr CAM CALDER (National) to theMinister for Tertiary Education Skills and Employment: How is the Government investing in New Zealand’s export education sector in Budget 2013?Hon STEVEN JOYCE (Minister for Tertiary Education Skills and Employment): The Government’s internationally focused growth package of $400 million over 4 years includes an investment of $40 million to market and promote New Zealand’s international education industry. In 2012 there were nearly 100000 enrolments of international students in New Zealand and the industry contributed more than $2 billion to our economy and supported around 32000 jobs. The Government has identified international education as an important area for growth recognising that in addition to the substantial revenues it generates former students go on to become wonderful ambassadors for New Zealand internationally and create strong people-to-people links with New Zealanders doing business abroad.Dr Cam Calder: What targets has the Government set to boost the value of international education in New Zealand?Hon STEVEN JOYCE: As part of the Government’s Business Growth Agenda we have set a bold target to double the value of international education to $5 billion by 2025. To achieve this goal we will need to continue to strengthen our presence in markets such as China India South-east Asia and Latin America both through investing more in education in New Zealand and of course through ministerial and trade visits. The boost in funding provided by Budget 2013 and the internationally focused growth fund will enable our education industry to market New Zealand in these new and developing markets highlighting our world-class institutions our outstanding teaching and research staff and qualifications that are valued and transferable throughout the world.Dr Cam Calder: What wider benefits do international students bring to New Zealand?Hon STEVEN JOYCE: International students bring back to their home countries a greater understanding of New Zealand. We are of course a small country that depends for our prosperity on international trade in goods and services. International education is one important way in which we increase awareness of New Zealand in the countries we trade with and this can only be good for growing New Zealand exports for jobs and growth and for incomes for the benefit of Kiwi families.
Goff Phil: Motions — Human Rights Cambodia—Electoral ProcessText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeGoff Phil: Motions — Human Rights Cambodia—Electoral Process[Sitting date: 30 May 2013. Volume:690;Page:10572. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Hon PHIL GOFF (Labour—Mt Roskill): I moveThat this House note the recent report of the United Nations Special Rapporteur on human rights in Cambodia which addresses the issue of election organisation and makes a number of recommendations in order for Cambodia’s general election in July 2013 to meet international standards for democratic elections and for urgent and long-term reforms to give Cambodians confidence in the electoral process and calls on the Cambodian Government to hold free and fair elections in 2013 and to ensure that Opposition parties are able to participate fully in Cambodian politics without physical or judicial harassment or intimidation including Opposition Leader Sam Rainsy as recommended by the United Nations Special Rapporteur.Motion agreed to.Question time resumed.
Robertson Grant: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to MembersText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeRobertson Grant: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members[Sitting date: 30 May 2013. Volume:690;Page:10584. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]GRANT ROBERTSON (Deputy Leader—Labour): I seek leave of the House for this question to be set down for a day when the Minister of Justice is here to answer it.
Finlayson Christopher: Motions — Human Rights Cambodia—Electoral ProcessText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeFinlayson Christopher: Motions — Human Rights Cambodia—Electoral Process[Sitting date: 30 May 2013. Volume:690;Page:10572. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Hon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON (Attorney-General): I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I have now clarified the position about Mr Goff’s motion. He had indeed spoken to the office of the Leader of the House. I regret any inconvenience. It is perfectly proper for him to put his motion.
Carter David: Points of Order — Human Rights Cambodia—Leave to Move Motion Without NoticeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeCarter David: Points of Order — Human Rights Cambodia—Leave to Move Motion Without Notice[Sitting date: 30 May 2013. Volume:690;Page:10569. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Mr SPEAKER: Listen leave was put; leave has been denied. That is the end of the matter. [Interruption] Order!
Goff Phil: Points of Order — Human Rights Cambodia—Leave to Move Motion Without NoticeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeGoff Phil: Points of Order — Human Rights Cambodia—Leave to Move Motion Without Notice[Sitting date: 30 May 2013. Volume:690;Page:10569. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Hon PHIL GOFF (Labour—Mt Roskill): I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. This has been consulted on. Can I ask the acting Prime Minister to speak to the Leader of the House because he agreed to it.
Carter David: Points of Order — Human Rights Cambodia—Leave to Move Motion Without NoticeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeCarter David: Points of Order — Human Rights Cambodia—Leave to Move Motion Without Notice[Sitting date: 30 May 2013. Volume:690;Page:10569. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Mr SPEAKER: Leave is sought to move a motion without debate. Is there any objection? There is objection.
Goff Phil: Points of Order — Human Rights Cambodia—Leave to Move Motion Without NoticeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeGoff Phil: Points of Order — Human Rights Cambodia—Leave to Move Motion Without Notice[Sitting date: 30 May 2013. Volume:690;Page:10569. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Hon PHIL GOFF (Labour—Mt Roskill): I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I seek the leave of the House to introduce without notice and without debate a motion in support of a free and fair election process being followed in Cambodia for the elections this July.
Finlayson Christopher: Business StatementText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeFinlayson Christopher: Business Statement[Sitting date: 30 May 2013. Volume:690;Page:10569. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Hon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON (Attorney-General): I was hoping his question would be about the Te Tau Ihu Claims Settlement Bill which comprises eight settlement bills and the haka redress which is more than those members did in 9 years. [Interruption] But the answer—Mr SPEAKER: Order! Could the member address the question that is being raised by the Hon Trevor Mallard.Hon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON: I do not know; he would have to speak to Mr Brownlee.
Points of Order — Human Rights Cambodia—Leave to Move Motion Without NoticeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumePoints of Order — Human Rights Cambodia—Leave to Move Motion Without Notice[Sitting date: 30 May 2013. Volume:690;Page:10569. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Points of OrderHuman Rights Cambodia—Leave to Move Motion Without NoticeHon PHIL GOFF (Labour—Mt Roskill): I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I seek the leave of the House to introduce without notice and without debate a motion in support of a free and fair election process being followed in Cambodia for the elections this July.Mr SPEAKER: Leave is sought to move a motion without debate. Is there any objection? There is objection.Hon PHIL GOFF (Labour—Mt Roskill): I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. This has been consulted on. Can I ask the acting Prime Minister to speak to the Leader of the House because he agreed to it.Mr SPEAKER: Listen leave was put; leave has been denied. That is the end of the matter. [Interruption] Order!
Finlayson Christopher: Business StatementText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeFinlayson Christopher: Business Statement[Sitting date: 30 May 2013. Volume:690;Page:10569. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Hon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON (Attorney-General) on behalf of theLeader of the House: When the House resumes on Tuesday 4 June the Government will look to continue the debate on the Appropriation (2013/14 Estimates) Bill the third readings of the Land Transport Management Amendment Bill and the Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims (Continuation and Reform) Amendment Bill and a number of other first and second readings on the Order Paper. On Wednesday 5 June effective Thursday 6 June and with the agreement of the Business Committee the House will have extended hours for the third readings of the Ngāti Whātua o Kaipara Claims Settlement Bill and the Waitaha Claims Settlement Bill and the first reading of the Te Tau Ihu Claims Settlement Bill.
Carter David: Resignations — OmbudsmanText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeCarter David: Resignations — Ombudsman[Sitting date: 30 May 2013. Volume:690;Page:10569. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Mr SPEAKER: I wish to advise the House that I have received a letter from Dr David McGee CNZM QC resigning as an Ombudsman with effect from Friday 31 May 2013.
Cunliffe David: Education Amendment Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeCunliffe David: Education Amendment Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 30 May 2013. Volume:690;Page:10613. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Hon DAVID CUNLIFFE (Labour—New Lynn): I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. Without wishing to create any sense of obligation on your good self you will have noted that this was my first call on this bill and—
Carter David: Motions — Human Rights Cambodia—Electoral ProcessText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeCarter David: Motions — Human Rights Cambodia—Electoral Process[Sitting date: 30 May 2013. Volume:690;Page:10572. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Mr SPEAKER: On that basis is the member going to seek leave again?Hon Phil Goff: I will seek leave again.Mr SPEAKER: Leave is sought to move a motion without debate. Is there any objection? There appears to be none.
Vote: Education Amendment Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeVote: Education Amendment Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 30 May 2013. Volume:690;Page:10613. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]A party vote was called for on the questionThat the question be now put.Ayes63New Zealand National 59; Māori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1.Noes56New Zealand Labour 33; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Mana 1; Independent: Horan.Motion agreed to.
Mallard Trevor: Business StatementText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMallard Trevor: Business Statement[Sitting date: 30 May 2013. Volume:690;Page:10569. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South): Can I just ask the acting Leader of the House whether it is still the Government’s intention to make enough progress on the Budget next week in order to have a members’ day in the following week?
Resignations — OmbudsmanText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeResignations — Ombudsman[Sitting date: 30 May 2013. Volume:690;Page:10569. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Thursday 30 May 2013Mr Speaker took the Chair at 2 p.m.Prayers.ResignationsOmbudsmanMr SPEAKER: I wish to advise the House that I have received a letter from Dr David McGee CNZM QC resigning as an Ombudsman with effect from Friday 31 May 2013.
Business StatementText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeBusiness Statement[Sitting date: 30 May 2013. Volume:690;Page:10569. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Business StatementHon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON (Attorney-General) on behalf of theLeader of the House: When the House resumes on Tuesday 4 June the Government will look to continue the debate on the Appropriation (2013/14 Estimates) Bill the third readings of the Land Transport Management Amendment Bill and the Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims (Continuation and Reform) Amendment Bill and a number of other first and second readings on the Order Paper. On Wednesday 5 June effective Thursday 6 June and with the agreement of the Business Committee the House will have extended hours for the third readings of the Ngāti Whātua o Kaipara Claims Settlement Bill and the Waitaha Claims Settlement Bill and the first reading of the Te Tau Ihu Claims Settlement Bill.Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South): Can I just ask the acting Leader of the House whether it is still the Government’s intention to make enough progress on the Budget next week in order to have a members’ day in the following week?Hon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON (Attorney-General): I was hoping his question would be about the Te Tau Ihu Claims Settlement Bill which comprises eight settlement bills and the haka redress which is more than those members did in 9 years. [Interruption] But the answer—Mr SPEAKER: Order! Could the member address the question that is being raised by the Hon Trevor Mallard.Hon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON: I do not know; he would have to speak to Mr Brownlee.
Motions — Human Rights Cambodia—Electoral ProcessText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMotions — Human Rights Cambodia—Electoral Process[Sitting date: 30 May 2013. Volume:690;Page:10572. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]MotionsHuman Rights Cambodia—Electoral ProcessHon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON (Attorney-General): I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I have now clarified the position about Mr Goff’s motion. He had indeed spoken to the office of the Leader of the House. I regret any inconvenience. It is perfectly proper for him to put his motion.Mr SPEAKER: On that basis is the member going to seek leave again?Hon Phil Goff: I will seek leave again.Mr SPEAKER: Leave is sought to move a motion without debate. Is there any objection? There appears to be none.Hon PHIL GOFF (Labour—Mt Roskill): I moveThat this House note the recent report of the United Nations Special Rapporteur on human rights in Cambodia which addresses the issue of election organisation and makes a number of recommendations in order for Cambodia’s general election in July 2013 to meet international standards for democratic elections and for urgent and long-term reforms to give Cambodians confidence in the electoral process and calls on the Cambodian Government to hold free and fair elections in 2013 and to ensure that Opposition parties are able to participate fully in Cambodian politics without physical or judicial harassment or intimidation including Opposition Leader Sam Rainsy as recommended by the United Nations Special Rapporteur.Motion agreed to.Question time resumed.
Robertson H V Ross: Education Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeRobertson H V Ross: Education Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee[Sitting date: 29 May 2013. Volume:690;Page:10567. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson): I am sorry to interrupt the honourable member. The time has come for me to report progress.House resumed.The Chairperson reported progress on the Education Amendment Bill and no progress on the Immigration Amendment Bill.Report adopted.
Martin Tracey: Education Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMartin Tracey: Education Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee[Sitting date: 29 May 2013. Volume:690;Page:10567. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]TRACEY MARTIN (NZ First): Talofa Mr Chair. I would just like to pick up on some comments that Mr Hipkins made with regard to commencement and the commencement dates in the Education Amendment Bill. I want to pick up on them because he forgot to mention some very important stakeholders in the conversation around surrender and retention and they are the boards of trustees. The boards of trustees write the policies which management then sets the procedures for and which are delivered inside our schools and that is too often forgotten. One of the concerns in some of the conversations that we did have with regard to the surrender and retention portions in here was my—and I still have some unease about it but I realise that we worked hard to provide what was a much better provision—
Robertson H V Ross: Education Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeRobertson H V Ross: Education Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee[Sitting date: 29 May 2013. Volume:690;Page:10561. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson): The question now is that clauses 1 to 3 stand part. The question is that clause 1 stand part.
Vote: Education Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeVote: Education Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee[Sitting date: 29 May 2013. Volume:690;Page:10561. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]A party vote was called for on the questionThat Part 2 be agreed to.Ayes62New Zealand National 59; Māori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1.Noes57New Zealand Labour 33; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Mana 1; United Future 1; Independent: Horan.Part 2 agreed to.
Robertson H V Ross: Education Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeRobertson H V Ross: Education Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee[Sitting date: 29 May 2013. Volume:690;Page:10561. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson): All right. Well I—Hon Trevor Mallard: Otherwise you have got to put it.The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson): OK. Well it is out of order because it is inconsistent with an earlier decision of the Committee. The amendment to clause 43 is contingent on the amendment to clause 31 to apply the Ombudsmen Act and the Official Information Act and the amendment to clause 31 was defeated earlier.
Robertson H V Ross: Education Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeRobertson H V Ross: Education Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee[Sitting date: 29 May 2013. Volume:690;Page:10561. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson): The question now is that Part 2 be agreed to. Before I put the question we have an amendment in the name of the honourable member Chris Hipkins to clause 43. It is set out on Supplementary Order Paper 223. I have been advised that it is out of order as it is inconsistent with an earlier decision of the Committee. The question therefore is that Part 2 be agreed to.A party vote was called for on the question that Part 2 be agreed to.Hon Trevor Mallard: I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I am sorry I am late on this and I do apologise to the Committee. You said you were advised that Mr Hipkins’ amendment was out of order. I think you are required to rule it out of order not just say that you have been advised in that manner. It is your judgment not the Clerk’s judgment I think that the Committee relies on.
Vote: Education Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeVote: Education Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee[Sitting date: 29 May 2013. Volume:690;Page:10561. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]A party vote was called for on the questionThat the question be now put.Ayes63New Zealand National 59; Māori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1.Noes56New Zealand Labour 33; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Mana 1; Independent: Horan.Motion agreed to.
Carter David: Education Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeCarter David: Education Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee[Sitting date: 29 May 2013. Volume:690;Page:10560. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Mr SPEAKER: Again I accept the point that the member is making. The number of times that a closure is called for should not in any way determine when a Chairman decides that the debate has adequately been given sufficient time within the Committee and I do not want to give the impression that that is a reason that I would accept for the Chairman’s decision. At the end of the day the presiding officer is the one who is best to determine when the closure motion should be accepted. Mr Robertson has done that. It is now in the hands of the Committee to determine whether that closure motion is agreed to. I declare the House in Committee.
Mallard Trevor: Education Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMallard Trevor: Education Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee[Sitting date: 29 May 2013. Volume:690;Page:10560. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South): I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. There are two points—and I am not asking you to totally reconsider your ruling because I accept that—and one is that we did have a change in Chairperson part-way through this process. I think that is something that is relatively important. This Chairperson was not in the Chamber for the totality of the debate and I think that is important. The other point and it is one that is slightly more concerning is the point that was made both by you and by the Chairperson as part of the reasoning for accepting the closure and that was the number of times a closure had been asked for. That should never be a factor otherwise people will just start asking for it right from the beginning. I think that in the past the reasoning has been that the debate has been fair not the number of times that closure had been asked for.
Macindoe Tim: Education Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMacindoe Tim: Education Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee[Sitting date: 29 May 2013. Volume:690;Page:10559. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]TIM MACINDOE (Junior Whip—National): Can I point out that this Part 2 is a very small part of the bill the Education Amendment Bill. The Opposition has had nine calls spread across three Opposition parties. The Minister when she took her second call spoke very briefly in direct response to a number of points that in her view had been made erroneously by Opposition speakers. She did not launch an attack; she simply responded to material that she believed needed to be corrected. We have spent the best part of an hour on this and as the Chairman has indicated there had been three previous closure motions and he accepted the fourth.
Mallard Trevor: Education Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMallard Trevor: Education Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee[Sitting date: 29 May 2013. Volume:690;Page:10559. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South): The first point that I want to make clear is that this is not in any way a reflection on the Chair of the Committee but I think that these are particularly unusual circumstances in this case. It is my understanding that the Minister spoke subsequent to the moving of closure motions which is a most unusual situation that we are in. In speaking what she did was attack a person who had asked questions earlier. That person my colleague Mr Hipkins from that point on sought the call. To be fair one Labour member and one Green member got the call because my colleague had had a previous call but he was actively seeking the call over that time. I have not ever in my time in Parliament seen an arrangement whereby a closure was taken subsequent to an attack on an Opposition member where that Opposition member was attempting to respond and to clarify and they were not being given the chance to do that. Again I want to reiterate that it is with a somewhat heavy heart that I am doing this because my colleague Mr Ross Robertson is generally very fair and has good judgment. I just think that in this particular case an error of judgment that leaves one of my colleagues maligned is something that is not acceptable.
Carter David: Education Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeCarter David: Education Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee[Sitting date: 29 May 2013. Volume:690;Page:10559. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Mr SPEAKER: Thank you Mr Chairman.
Robertson H V Ross: Education Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeRobertson H V Ross: Education Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee[Sitting date: 29 May 2013. Volume:690;Page:10558. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson): Mr Speaker you have been recalled to the House because it was felt that there had been inadequate time given to the Opposition in order to respond to comments made by the Minister in the chair the Minister of Education. In so doing I took the closure motion and reported to the Committee quoting Speakers’ rulings 64/4 and 64/5. Speakers’ ruling 64/4 states that“The [chairperson] is the sole judge as to whether or not he ought to sanction the putting of the closure motion and it must be left entirely in his hands.” I further went on to point out Speaker’s ruling 64/5: “It is not for the Speaker to second-guess the Chair’s judgment …”. And of course there is also Speaker’s ruling 64/6 which says: “The Chairperson is the person who listens to the ebb and flow of the debate and is the person best placed to see whether the Committee is of a mind to accept a closure motion.” There had already been put four closure motions which had been rejected by me as the Chair of the Committee. In accepting the closure I did so in the belief that the debate had been well traversed.
Robertson H V Ross: Education Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeRobertson H V Ross: Education Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee[Sitting date: 29 May 2013. Volume:690;Page:10558. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson): The question is that the Speaker be recalled. All those in favour please say Aye. The motion is agreed to. The Speaker will be recalled.Hon Trevor Mallard: You are meant to put the “No”. You are meant to give them a chance to say no.The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson): There was no objection Mr Mallard.Motion agreed to.House resumed.
Mallard Trevor: Education Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMallard Trevor: Education Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee[Sitting date: 29 May 2013. Volume:690;Page:10558. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South): Yes I have moved. I moveThat the Speaker be recalled to give a ruling on this matter.
Robertson H V Ross: Education Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeRobertson H V Ross: Education Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee[Sitting date: 29 May 2013. Volume:690;Page:10558. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson): The member is certainly entitled to do so. But I would also point out to the member Speakers’ ruling 64/4 which says that “The [chairperson] is the sole judge as to whether or not he ought to sanction the putting of the closure motion and it must be left entirely in his hands. The [chairperson] who has been presiding and has listened to the debate in committee must be the best judge whether the closure ought to be put. I can only express the hope that it will not be applied too harshly.” Speaker’s ruling 64/5 states: “It is not for the Speaker to second-guess the Chair’s judgment … Of course if in fact the committee does not agree with the Chair’s decision to accept the closure then it is always open to the committee to vote down the question ‘That the question be now put’.”Hon Trevor Mallard: I understand that. I still want him back.The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson): The member understands? And the member wishes to recall the Speaker?
Mallard Trevor: Education Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMallard Trevor: Education Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee[Sitting date: 29 May 2013. Volume:690;Page:10558. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South): I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. On the basis of the ruling that you have just made I move that we report progress in order to seek a considered ruling from the Speaker as to whether members of the Opposition have a right to respond to the Minister when the Minister makes that sort of comment.
Robertson H V Ross: Education Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeRobertson H V Ross: Education Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee[Sitting date: 29 May 2013. Volume:690;Page:10558. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson): Can I just indicate to the Committee one that I have accepted the closure and two that whenever a question is being put to the Committee the interruption of business is deferred until the question is determined. The question is that the motion be now—
McKelvie Ian: Education Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMcKelvie Ian: Education Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee[Sitting date: 29 May 2013. Volume:690;Page:10557. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]IAN McKELVIE (National—Rangitīkei): I moveThat the question be now put.
Bakshi Kanwaljit Singh: Education Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeBakshi Kanwaljit Singh: Education Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee[Sitting date: 29 May 2013. Volume:690;Page:10556. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]KANWALJIT SINGH BAKSHI (National): I moveThat the question be now put.
Parata Hekia: Education Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeParata Hekia: Education Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee[Sitting date: 29 May 2013. Volume:690;Page:10555. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Hon HEKIA PARATA (Minister of Education): I would like to take the opportunity of a call to clarify some specific points that have been raised by the Opposition about the Education Amendment Bill. I get that there is a tendency towards conspiracy theory on that side but I do not think it serves the public interest particularly well to operate in that vague sphere.So in terms of the application of the Official Information Act it applies only to public agencies. Given that sponsors are likely to be community or commercial organisations it will not apply in that regard. However contracts will be put in place between partnership schools and the Ministry of Education on behalf of the Crown and all of the reporting relevant to that contract will be subject to the Official Information Act. Any parent who would like information about their own child will be able to access it under the Privacy Act.In terms of the Ombudsmen Act and its application it applies in terms of complaints procedures and it is amplified by the requirement of partnership schools that they must also put in place an independent procedure. Partnership schools must make public their audited accounts annually which should reassure the member who was concerned that there would be some hiding of financial reporting. They will be required annually to make their audited accounts public.Finally in terms of the member who was concerned about the use of National Student Numbers being shared with the Ministry of Social Development or other agencies I can assure that member that there is no such provision.I trust that each of these very clear emphatic and unambiguous clarifications will reassure the members that they can rest their minds and that we can focus instead on how we can raise educational achievement for five out of five New Zealanders. Thank you.
Calder Cam: Education Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeCalder Cam: Education Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee[Sitting date: 29 May 2013. Volume:690;Page:10554. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Dr CAM CALDER (National): I moveThat the question be now put.
O'Connor Simon: Education Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeO'Connor Simon: Education Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee[Sitting date: 29 May 2013. Volume:690;Page:10552. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]SIMON O’CONNOR (National—Tāmaki): I moveThat the question be now put.
Roy Eric: Education Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeRoy Eric: Education Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee[Sitting date: 29 May 2013. Volume:690;Page:10547. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy): I guess we are almost dancing on a pinhead here about that. It could have been argued before I made the ruling that what happened was acceptable from the notes. I have now made it quite clear. We will administer the Committee in accordance with the ruling I have made from this point on all right?
Graham Kennedy: Education Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeGraham Kennedy: Education Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee[Sitting date: 29 May 2013. Volume:690;Page:10547. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Dr KENNEDY GRAHAM (Green): I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. If you have made a ruling and you do not wish to hear anything more well then that is one thing but I was going to raise just one point if I may.The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy): I will hear the member.Dr KENNEDY GRAHAM: Just listening to you you said that you did not see what factually occurred. My question to you is whether it is the responsibility of the Chairman to ensure that notes are not passed to backbenchers and if it is not the responsibility of the Chairman then whose responsibility is it?
Roy Eric: Education Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeRoy Eric: Education Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee[Sitting date: 29 May 2013. Volume:690;Page:10547. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy): Since the matter has been raised I have been doing some reading and the rules governing the admission of officials into the Chamber are somewhat subjective OK? So we could have a debate about exactly what they mean. I think I have made a ruling that notes will not be passed directly from the Minister’s officials to members. That is where I am going to leave it. We have made that bit clear and as I say there are some somewhat subjective rulings that could be taken from the journal that I have just read. But I have now made a ruling and let us be happy with the ruling.Hon Trevor Mallard: No no.The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy): Yes yes.
Hipkins Chris: Education Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeHipkins Chris: Education Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee[Sitting date: 29 May 2013. Volume:690;Page:10546. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]CHRIS HIPKINS (Senior Whip—Labour): I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I will not labour this too long but I think there is an important principle around the debate that occurs within the Committee that is at stake here. Officials are here to advise the Minister in the chair so that the Minister can participate in the debate. If there are points being raised by the Opposition in the course of this debate that the officials disagree with and therefore the Government disagrees with then it should be the Minister who raises those concerns as part of the debate. That is the reason we have a Minister who sits in the chair. For the Minister to pass those on to another—Hon Trevor Mallard: Special rights.CHRIS HIPKINS: The Minister has special rights effectively. For the Minister to then pass that advice on to another member of Parliament who is not a Minister of the Crown and is not accountable for the bill that is currently before the Committee would be quite a violation of the privileged position that the Minister occupies in that role. So it is not a criticism of the officials; it is in fact a criticism of the practice of the Minister of Education in this case who is abusing the position that she holds as the person who is in charge of this bill who has access to additional advice and who has special rights to participate in the debate. She is always guaranteed a call effectively to be able toparticipate in the debate. If she disagrees with what we are saying then the Minister can participate in the debate and put that right.
Roy Eric: Education Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeRoy Eric: Education Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee[Sitting date: 29 May 2013. Volume:690;Page:10546. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy): Certainly the member is quite correct in that the officials are the Minister’s advisers and quite at liberty to pass information and notes backwards and forwards to speak for them. It is outside the practice of the Committee to have them passed beyond the Minister. My back is to them so I cannot see what has happened but there is no rule about the Minister communicating notes to members.Hon Trevor Mallard: But you can’t give them their notes.The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy): The member I guess is right but I am not watching that aspect so I am just affirming that the direct route of notes from Ministers to members is beyond the practice of this Committee. I will affirm that.