Shaw JamesHon JAMES SHAW (Minister for Climate Change): Thank you Mr Speaker. I would like to take this moment whilst we're obviously very concerned with the short-term response to the current outbreak to also keep one eye on the longer-term response that this Government and the next one will have to turn our attention to.I did want to respond first to some of the comments that were made by members of the Opposition earlier on in this debate particularly a comment made by the Hon Gerry Brownlee who talked about the notion that our response had gaping holes for a very long time. Now that is either a completely untrue statement or completely ignorant about the nature of this particular virus because if it was true that there were gaping holes in our border for a very long time a previous member of the 40000 people who have been processed at the border would have brought this through. The idea that you can process 40000 people in an incredibly short period of time and only now have an outbreak I think is not a mark of failure but a mark of success. I think that the Opposition just needs to get a sense of perspective about the nature of this particular outbreak. We've never said that it's perfect and we are definitely learning as we go. There are mistakes that are apparent and those are being rectified but I think the idea that you can process 40000 people and then have just one outbreak is an outstanding record.I did say that obviously our attention is preoccupied with the short-term response but we do need to keep an eye on the longer-term response as well and I know that this is something that vexes the Hon Paul Goldsmith deeply about the nature of our economic response. We are of course spending tens of billions of dollars on a stimulus package designed to get the country through the economic downturn that faces us as a result of this and that is of course entirely appropriate. If we did not deploy a massive injection of capital into the New Zealand economy at this time we would be in the grips of an incredibly deep and broad recession. So it is entirely appropriate that we do that.Now some of that spend is by definition very short-term—things like the wage subsidy where there's been over $14 billion deployed so far making sure that people can stay in their jobs for as long as possible and as many people can remain employed during the course of this downturn—but there is of course some that is going into investing in new industries or to existing industries to make sure that actually we can build our way out of the downturn. It's on this that I want to focus my attention because there are a number of major challenges that were facing the country before COVID-19 arrived at our border and also which are still there even though we're currently focused on the current crisis.Chief amongst those of course in my view is the climate crisis a sort of meta-crisis that acts as a threat multiplier across so many other domains but we still have a housing crisis—this Government has made some good progress so far but we are just getting started and that is obviously going to take quite some time for us to resolve. There is the crisis of the pipes under our feet that transport our potable water and our storm water and so on and those are making us sick in many parts of the country. There is the crisis of deepening and persistent poverty around the country. There is the fact that for many decades our transport infrastructure has been neglected. Now all of these are multibillion-dollar challenges that will need to be paid for at some point preferably sooner rather than later given that we're talking about at least a three-decade infrastructure deficit that needs to get handled. So my argument here is that not only do we have an opportunity but a responsibility to put every dollar we can of that stimulus to work dealing with the long-term challenges facing our country. Because if we don't our children and our grandchildren will have to pay twice—once to cover the bill that we're running up for the current crisis and again to get themselves through the crises that are facing them in their time.So my plea is as we go through this that we continue to think ahead and that we do take this opportunity to deploy every dollar we can of this stimulus on the long-term challenges facing Aotearoa.