Bayly Andrew; Mallard TrevorANDREW BAYLY (National—Hunua): Well I'm glad that member from the Greens Golriz Ghahraman is happy that New Zealand taxpayers are going to continue to pay out roughly about a half a billion for the quarantine situation in New Zealand over the foreseeable future. If she thinks that's a good day I'm not so certain about that. Actually I think it's been a rather gloomy day. We heard from the Minister of Finance who finally—finally—confirmed it today that there are 120000 people who have been and will be made redundant this year. That's the current estimate. That means that we've already got over 200000 on the unemployment jobseeker benefit. The other really nasty piece of news we heard is that going into this COVID crisis a mere four months ago New Zealand was the best placed in the world with a low debt figure of 20 percent of GDP roughly $60 billion of debt. He confirmed today that by the end of this year that will have doubled to 39 percent. That is a staggering amount of debt.To put that in context our debt figure and the servicing costs on the debt will be for this year about $3.5 billion which is the total cost it takes for Mr Stuart Nash sitting opposite to pay to run the New Zealand police force. That is even before we talk about paying back some more debt and we have a Minister who is walking around with $14 billion in his back pocket. But what happens when the wage subsidy stops on 1 September a mere three weeks before the election? That's the crucial point that New Zealanders need to look and face and think about. That is why we are looking past the current situation and are saying What should we be doing as a Government past 1 September? What is the plan for New Zealand?" So the thing that we've announced today is that for all those 120000 people who have been made redundant this year particularly since the COVID situation started a mere four months ago—how do we get them into new vocations new job opportunities?So when our leader asked the Prime Minister today about the situation of trying to encourage people to set up new businesses I was somewhat alarmed that the Prime Minister inferred that that was a gamble. I was really concerned how unambitious she was for New Zealanders and dismissive because many of these people have been made redundant not because they're useless not because they are due it; it is actually because the industries in which they work have been absolutely devastated—highly trained pilots flight attendants just to name some; tourism operators who have been so badly affected because of COVID-19. It has nothing to do with their own situation—thrust out on to the job heap—and the Prime Minister's response was "Well that's why we've got Jobseeker. Go and get a benefit!" Well I've got to say to you that that is not a long-term solution to New Zealand's ills. The only way we can ever get out of this ill and pay back that estimated $200 billion of debt that we're going to incur over the next few years—Treasury forecasts by the way—is that we will have to grow this economy. We can't tax everyone. You can't tax people—you can but it won't work—because the only way to deal with that huge mountain of debt is to grow the New Zealand economy.That's why we need to encourage people to start a new business if they feel like it if they want to—and it's a voluntary thing. The package we announced today is that if you are in that situation—the redundant airline pilot; lots of skills—if you want to go into business go and get yourself a proper plan and get it signed off by a chartered accountant or a certified financial planner. If you then decide to get past that gateway you can then now move into a situation where you can first of all get $10000 from the Government—when we're in Government. You can also get any benefit on the tax that you may have paid on your redundancy. So if you've had a $30000 redundancy rather than pay us the Government $10000 you can also keep that and use that as working capital for your business. The third thing we're going to say is: if you like—if you like—it's not required—SPEAKER: Order! The member's time has expired."