Stanford Erica; Salesa JennyERICA STANFORD (National—East Coast Bays): Just going back to that the Associate Minister has been talking about a common practice model. Now the Minister gets up and says But no we don't want to dictate to teachers what they should do; it's their professional judgment." So how does a common practice model fit with that? I hope the Minister will answer that. It's quite important for the sector. I wanted to just switch now I guess to NCEA learning recognition credits. I don't want to get into an argument about whether we should have given them or not because I think that this side of the House disagrees with what happened; that's beside the point. It's now happened. I want to ask the Minister: what happens now? We've got a cohort of kids who've had three years of getting ghost credits or learning recognition credits for learning that they haven't actually had—they haven't achieved those credits. So the question is: what is he putting in place at Te Pūkenga? For example it'll be mostly those kids I assume who are heading into tertiary study at Te Pūkenga; less so the universities because usually they've got a bit more support from their parents. But for the kids who are going into Te Pūkenga what is the Minister putting in place? What is he advising to be put in place for those kids who've had three years of ghost credits basically and who haven't received the learning that they need and are going into tertiary study without all of the learning that they need? That's one question.I'll carry on because I know he wants me to bank everything up. The other question is around early childhood education. We note in the Budget documents that the Minister did not get the level of funding he wanted to put into pay parity for early childhood teachers. Now the Minister will remember speaking to me at Estimates where I asked him—and at that point in time we didn't know that he didn't quite get as much as he wanted but he's forged ahead with it anyway. At that point in time I said that the amount of money that's been put into pay parity is not enough for the sector so the costs are going to have to be made up somewhere else either in quality or in increasing fees. And the Minister at that point said "Fees may be increased but those centres are perfectly capable of absorbing it in their profits." And when I asked him about those profits he said "Well anecdotally I know get profits."My question now is to the Minister: knowing now that you didn't get everything that you wanted in your Budget bid are you expecting fees to go up to cover that because you didn't quite get what you wanted? And secondly why is it that last week another survey has gone out to the sector to ask for data from them around their teaching workforce and the amount of time they've taught for and how much they're remunerated? Because surely that information would have been relevant before the Budget bid? And does the fact that that's happening again suggest that the data that they were relying on was faulty and not complete? And what will happen if the data that he gets back now shows that it is significantly underfunded and lots of small centres will end up either having to close or massively hike their fees or increase their class sizes? I'll leave it at that. I think that's three questions.CHAIRPERSON (Hon Jenny Salesa): Before I call the Minister I just want to inform the Minister that the National Party has allowed five of their minutes to be transferred over to you Minister in order to allow you to answer more of their questions."