Naylor Jono; Tisch LindsayJONO NAYLOR (National): I would just like to begin where the last speaker Darroch Ball left off because I think it is really important that we do spend a little bit of time and focus on the youth justice aspects of this piece of legislation. While yes there were some submitters—the Police Association and others—who did not like the idea of having 17-year-olds go through the youth justice system we also had a submission from the Children's Commissioner who of course used to be the Principal Youth Court Judge who absolutely believed that our young offenders would be better suited to go through that system. I would also like to remind the House that actually not every 17-year-old will go through that system. Serious crimes as they are now even for 13- and 14-year-olds can still be treated through the adult justice system. So there was a little bit of scaremongering in the previous speech which was a little ill-founded.I just want to talk about the fact that it is a real privilege that we sometimes get in this House to be able to—well actually all the time—do things that are going to help make people's lives better. I want to commend the Hon Anne Tolley for bringing this legislation forward to actually make a step change in the way that we are now treating and going to relate to some of the most vulnerable people in New Zealand—that is the children and young people who require the care and protection of the State.The bill came to us in very good shape. It was well intentioned with some great things in place. But it was also very good to be able to go through what I consider was a very thorough and well-considered select committee process where we heard from a number of submitters around some of the concerns they had and particularly we have had reference from the iwi leaders group and other people who suggested that perhaps we needed to make some better descriptors and have some more robust descriptions of some of the things that particularly affect Māori children.Far be it from me as a tauiwi New Zealander to actually comment on definitions of Māori words but I think what is really important is the concept of mana tamaiti that actually runs through this bill which is that we will actually recognise the mana of the individual child. We always used to have the paramountcy clause but I think what is really important is that within the definition of mana tamaiti" that is now embodied within this legislation in clause 4(1)—and I want to read it out. It says this: "mana tamaiti"—and of course tamariki in the multiple—"and the child's or young person's well-being should be protected by recognising their whakapapa and the whanaungatanga responsibilities of their family whānau hapū iwi and family group:".There has been a lot of talk in this House today about how this legislation does not actually give enough credence to children within the wider context of their whānau hapū and iwi. I think that within even the definition of "mana tamaiti" that I have just talked about—there are good definitions in there about whakapapa and whanaungatanga as well which ensures I believe that we have got the processes in place to ensure that the mana of those children is preserved within the context of their whānau hapū and iwi. With that I want to commend this bill to the House.The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch): The next call is a split call. Marama Davidson—5 minutes."