Naylor JonoJONO NAYLOR (National): It is a pleasure to be able to rise to speak on this bill in this Committee stage. I think what we need to do is ensure that we do understand that this is in fact a bill that is in the context of a complete overhaul of the way that we are approaching Child Youth and Family and the way that we do child welfare here in New Zealand.I just want to address a couple of things that have been raised throughout this debate already this evening. The first point I want to just address is that it was said that the new title Ministry for Vulnerable Children Oranga Tamariki" has elements that are somehow contradictory to one another. I think it is a little bit disingenuous to put it that way—talking about vulnerable children and then of course "Oranga Tamariki" where we are talking about the well-being of children. I would have thought that actually for vulnerable children we want them to have positive well-being and have positive outcomes. So I actually think that the title of the new ministry actually is exactly where we need it to be. It is about actually wanting us to ensure that vulnerable children will have good outcomes and that there will be good well-being for them.I think we would all acknowledge that some great work has been done by Child Youth and Family over the time of its existence. There has been great practice done in various shapes and forms and it has been world-leading in different ways but as Alfred Ngaro intimated before there have been 14 reviews and yet we are still not achieving the kinds of outcomes for children in care that we would want to achieve. I want to commend the Hon Anne Tolley for grabbing the bull by the horns and saying: "Actually we're going to put a line in the sand. We're not going to accept those negative outcomes that we have been achieving and we're going to do things differently to ensure that we get better outcomes better well-being for our vulnerable young people in New Zealand."Of course this very first step is about raising the age from 17 to 18 and I think that is absolutely critical. I think any parent of a 17-year-old if they have any values whatsoever would not necessarily just boot them out of the house at the age of 17 and say: "You're on your own." It does not make any sense whatsoever and yet that is the way it has been. So this legislation is going to go some way to putting that right and we have had indications that there is a possibility down the track that we will extend that further but this first step is absolutely the right step in that regard.There has been some unrest I guess throughout this debate about section 7 or clause 7 I think—I cannot remember; I am probably using the wrong terminology—in terms of the delegating powers of the chief executive. This type of thing actually occurs already. If anybody has heard of the Open Home Foundation or Barnardos or any of these other very good non-governmental organisations that are engaging in care and protection work on behalf sometimes of the ministry they do some very very good work.Poto Williams talked about the upheaval for families when children are uplifted and the ongoing scars. Having been involved in that practice I can tell you that it does leave scars on social workers at times as well not just on the families although obviously it is far more traumatic for the families. If there is an ability to be able to delegate some of those responsibilities to someone who is going to be able to do it with a greater sense of care and be able to achieve a better outcome and better long-term outcomes for those young people than perhaps having eight social workers and two police officers break down your door and storm into your house and pick up your children—well if there is a better way of doing that I would absolutely support that because I can tell you now that that is not a great thing for families and it is not a great thing for social workers either.So let us just be sensible about this. We are not trying to pass it off to anybody. What we are wanting to do through this bill is ensure that children and young people in New Zealand will be given the very best service that we can possibly give them that we will extend the age of care and that they will actually go into families where they are loved where they are cared for and where they are supported not just because they happen to be relatives. We have had some practices that do need to change to ensure that we have better outcomes long term and I support this legislation. I look forward to further legislation where we will be able to do even more for the young people of New Zealand."