Woods Megan; Brown SimeonHon Dr MEGAN WOODS (Labour—Wigram): Thank you Mr Chairman. Further to the very good question that the Hon Julie Anne Genter just posed—and I note that these were questions that went unanswered in Part 1 of the legislation. The House and the committee did not receive any information about what advice around emissions the Minister considered when making this decision. I think given that we are not going through a select committee process and given that the House is not being released all the information that the Minister holds in the form of the regulatory impact statement this committee of the whole House has a responsibility to understand the information that the Minister had there.So in addition to the emissions information that the Minister did or did not receive—because of course this Part 2 is about the administration of what we've just done in Part 1 of the bill. So when we're coming to this Part 2 that is still very pertinent Mr Chairman. What I'd like to add to that is of course—and it is linked to the emissions question—that the demonstration pathway as outlined by the Climate Commission has some very specific targets around what needs to be met in order to meet those emissions reductions. That is that from 2025 to 2030 we need to see our annual light electric vehicle (EV) registrations climb from 11 percent to 67 percent of the market and reach 100 percent by 2035. I think the Hon Julie Anne Genter put it very well around whether or not that label that is covered off in this part is going to be enough to form that switch. We've already heard from the Minister that he thinks the mechanism for inducing people to do the switch will be the emissions trading scheme (ETS). Of course that requires the evidence that is in the public domain—that requires an ETS pricing of $235 a tonne which will have around an 80c a litre or more impact on the price of petrol. So I think it's useful to understand exactly where the Government's coming from of where they see the levers and that is a price hike of 80c-odd a litre of petrol rather than giving people the clean car rebate. So it's good to get that out and flesh out that point.My other point in the first part of the debate—and I just want to ensure that we're going to have this labelling on our second-hand vehicles and that that practice will continue. What I was able to get to share with the House was the evidence that's there around the uptake on new to New Zealand used vehicles that have been such a big part of this scheme. So when we have the Opposition talking about this just being a middle-class subsidy for wealthy people to go and buy Teslas that's not always the case—clearly it sometimes is but not always the case. I do note that in the first part of the bill my colleague Tangi Utikere put forward a motion to allow those people who feel so strongly that this is a bad scheme but none the less may have taken up the scheme themselves—we wanted to introduce a provision so that they could pay that money back directly to the Crown. But I do note that the Government didn't want that.In terms of the ability to—I just want the Minister to confirm that this information will continue to be on second-hand vehicles. That's because that is such an important part of how it is we can ensure equity outcomes. But also not only new to New Zealand used vehicles what we will increasingly see—and one of the things that the Clean Car Discount has been really important for is actually creating a second-hand market of cars in New Zealand so that we will feed through that all of those brand new EVs eventually become second-hand cars. So will we continue within that not only new to New Zealand but the EVs that have been previously purchased as new cars but then as they enter the second-hand market will they continue to have that labelling so people can make those decisions around that and we can ensure that we are fuelling that second-hand market?Hon SIMEON BROWN (Minister of Transport): Thank you Mr Chair and thank you to the members for their questions. As I've answered numerous times—and I'm not sure if it's actually relevant to Part 2 in relation to the question of the carbon impact but I'll answer it anyway—as I've said advice I've received shows that this does not impact on our ability to meet the carbon budget for the 2025 period and that is something I've answered. Again it's not actually relevant. The part we're dealing with here is effectively amendments to the Land Transport (Motor Vehicle Registration and Licensing) Regulations 2011 and amendments to Energy Efficiency (Vehicle Energy Economy Labelling) Regulations. I do note that the member did have some questions in relation to the labels and I'm very pleased to see the new labels which I hope members have received. They're bigger. You can now read the labels. One is in colour and one is in black and white.Hon Member: I like the colour.Hon SIMEON BROWN: I prefer colour as well—it's blue.But what I would say is that the changes that are being made here simply are to revoke the regulation which requires that the label includes information about the Clean Vehicle Discount because of course this repeals that legislation.