O'Connor GregGREG O'CONNOR (Labour—Ōhāriu): I was slow to get to my feet because my jaw had dropped to the floor and I had to pick it back up. Often in this House I believe it's an irony-free zone—and yes scuttle away from the House Mr Hudson—because—Brett Hudson: I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. The member just made a reference to a member potentially not being in the House. That's out of order. CHAIRPERSON (Adrian Rurawhe): Did that—GREG O'CONNOR: Sorry is my eyesight failing me? CHAIRPERSON (Adrian Rurawhe): Order! Is that correct? GREG O'CONNOR: That the member is not in the House? CHAIRPERSON (Adrian Rurawhe): I'm asking you: did you mention a member that is not in the House? GREG O'CONNOR: No. Brett Hudson: Speaking to the point of order—CHAIRPERSON (Adrian Rurawhe): No there are no more points of order—Brett Hudson: The member's words were clear—scuttling away from the House" were his words. CHAIRPERSON (Adrian Rurawhe): E noho. I am telling you: do not speak over me when I'm standing—OK. Now you've made your point of order. I asked the member the—I did not hear it. The member assures me that he did not. If he has he will have to come back to the House and state so. OK? So Greg O'Connor. Hon Iain Lees-Galloway: I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. Thank you Mr Chairman and it is a genuine attempt to bring some clarification to this point. I think the point that Mr Hudson was making was that potentially the member speaking referred to him exiting the Chamber rather than him being absent from the Chamber. I don't know what your ruling might be on referring to someone exiting rather than being absent but for the sake of making sure that the member has been correct he responded to your question asking did he reference someone being outside of the Chamber. I believe he was correct in saying that he did not but we might just need some clarification about him referring to someone exiting the Chamber. CHAIRPERSON (Adrian Rurawhe): Greg O'Connor. GREG O'CONNOR: Mr Chair did you want me to respond to that or carry on with my—CHAIRPERSON (Adrian Rurawhe): No carry on. GREG O'CONNOR: Thank you Mr Chair. As I say the irony-free zone that exists on the opposite side of the House was highlighted again by the speech by Brett Hudson the member opposite speaking previously. But just more broadly though cartels are what this bill is about. Again I find it incredulous that anyone would come here and speak against any legislation that ensures that cartels are put under some sort of control or some sort of sanction because that is simply what this bill is about. We only have to look at cartels. I mean look at American history. The anti-trusts that were necessary—we saw what was probably the most stark example in history of how having organisations or businesses out of control can affect a whole country and we can see why it was necessary to bring that under control. This legislation is simply a piece of legislation that's absolutely necessary to ensure that businesses in particular in New Zealand—those businesses that those members opposite claim to be representing—are given a fair go and that where there is any evidence of the sort of behaviour that is described in this bill there are meaningful sanctions. So I certainly believe that this is necessary and I commend this bill."