Kuriger BarbaraBARBARA KURIGER (National—Taranaki - King Country): Thank you Madam Speaker. Well I was in here for a brief period before the dinner break and we heard lots of hashtags being passed around. I think on this bill that is called the Sustainable Biofuel Obligation Bill we should call it another #BadLabourBill. Or we could call it a #WriteItOnPaperAndItWillMiraculouslyWorkBill because that actually seems to be what Minister Megan Woods wishes for every time she puts a piece of legislation or tries to do something. It doesn't have the climate change effect that she thinks it's going to have. We all know that there are only four weeks of this Parliament to sit before Christmas. We all know that Christmas trees often have fairies on the top and we all know that the Christmas fairy will probably not gain the wish of the promises that we've had on biofuel targeted to reduce emissions from the other side of the House tonight because it cannot be possible to wave a magic wand and magic this stuff up.There have been lots of quotes on the other side of the House about how many tonnes of carbon dioxide emissions this bill with these black and white words is going to reduce. I have to actually say it takes a bit more than words on a piece of paper to do that. I'll give you a classic example because back in 2018 when the oil and gas ban was done and I know—I heard somebody in the House before dinner break saying But the problem is we have coal because we don't have enough gas." Well 80 percent of the gas we had available for exploration before that bill the investors have walked away from and that's actually reality. Jonathan Young told the members on that side of the House time and time and time again that if this bill passed the investment was going to walk away. So there's one failure. I don't know how that coal that's being imported from Indonesia is going to make any difference to climate change. That was one promise which makes me believe that the Sustainable Biofuel Obligation Bill is not going to make any difference.The second thing that we have been hearing about and I particularly talked a lot about this to the industry when I was the energy spokesperson is Lake Onslow. Everyone's accusing the electricity industry of everything at the moment in pricing and all the rest of it but actually when you put a big white elephant out there on the horizon it means people are going to be nervous about investing and they're not going to be—there's a lot of resource consents that are already approved that haven't got the investment going in it because people are nervous because you put this big white elephant out on the horizon. It'll take a long time to build if it ever gets built—and I hope it doesn't. But that is another thing that's actually constraining us from reducing our climate change.So biofuels is only the next one. No idea from this Government or the speakers that we've had so far on biofuels about what the consequences—Hon Poto Williams: What's your climate change policy then know-it-all?BARBARA KURIGER: —are of this piece of legislation. It's only a shame it's only a shame—and if we're going to do some name calling in this House; I haven't done any name calling in this House tonight Minister but that's fine if you want to call me a know-it-all.What I was going to say is actually all these predictions of people saying this is how much carbon dioxide emissions we're going to save they actually won't be here next year to come back and tell us or the year after because you know there is going to be a change of Government. We've heard a lot tonight about #NationalDoesntHaveAPlan. Well National does actually have a plan and guess what National's #Plan is? The #Plan is to actually understand that politicians know far less than what the industries know about achieving these goals. Gosh listen to them. It's quite interesting over there tonight. They're not actually interested in alternative views; they're only interested in their own. It's actually really interesting. So when you trust an industry who have the skills normally they have the people—most of them are a bit struggling for people at the moment because this Government's actually made people pretty scarce. By keeping the immigration standards pretty low they've made people scarce. But all of the industries who are likely to produce these biofuels are industries that actually have an understanding of technically how to do it technically how to invest in it technically how to make it happen. Where National has a plan is that actually the industries are the best-placed people to be able to come and explain to Governments how things need to be done.Unfortunately this is a top-down Government. They put it in a piece of legislation they put it on a piece of paper and it doesn't work. I challenge anyone—there's still one more speaker to go on this bill. There's still one more speaker to go on this bill before the end of the night and I challenge anyone to stand up and take speech 12 and tell me where the feedstocks for these biofuels are going to come from because often they vary. They can end up even being damaging to the environment and they can be damaging to food security. You know it'd be terrible wouldn't it if it ended up like the coal and we didn't have enough feedstock in this country to do it ourselves and we had to start importing it.I guess the most we can hope for is that there will be a few trees that will actually come down the countryside because there are so many perhaps trees being planted in the wrong place that actually aren't going to end up in any forestry and aren't going to do grandchildren any favours that actually some of that might end up being a stock for a biofuel at some point in the future. But most of those trees have only been planted for two or three years so it's going to be a very long time. I heard Simon Court say before about pine cones and some of the pie-in-the-sky stuff that we might be able to use pine cones. Well again it's nearly Christmas—maybe we should spray them with gold paint and hang them on the tree and just wait a while for the tree to grow because actually this is a ridiculous notion this piece of legislation. It's set to increase the price of fuel by about 10c a litre and we all know right now that people can't afford their vegetables let alone the fuel to fill up their car. It's going to disadvantage low-income families who cannot afford to buy a hybrid or an electric vehicle and they can't afford to get that tax rebate on a Tesla that everyone keeps getting because the Government has actually set the levels of the tax completely wrong.So I challenge somebody on that side of the House to stand up and tell me exactly how much we're going to save how we're going to get the stock for the biofuel how we're going to process it and how we're going to magically—it's all very well to declare climate emergencies. It's all very well to you know think that this works in theory but it doesn't always.We over this side of the House we know that climate change is real and we always said we would support the targets but where we've got really different views is the path to get there—it's the place where we always do the most arguments. The problem is this Government always knows best and it tries to think it can tell industry what to do and miraculously these things are going to happen. So where these industries are going to get biofuel from—we want an explanation.Also the other thing is there's a lot of vehicles that don't actually work with biofuel or the levels of biofuel for some vehicles are far too high. Many New Zealanders around the country own or belong to clubs which drive classic cars or motorbikes that can only run on certain types of petrol. What's going—Maureen Pugh: Hot rods.BARBARA KURIGER: Hot rods exactly Maureen—hot rods. What's going to happen when they put this petrol in their car with the amount of biofuels that won't make it run? Has anyone got an answer on that? There's a lot of things that we'd like to hear on this side of the House that we're not currently hearing.It's interesting because the Minister's actually recently slowed down the time frame. Now we believe that that's probably got something to do with the fact that it's not such a palatable option as it might have been in terms of the targets because it's election year coming up next year. Early Wednesday morning the Government announced $20 million in climate compensation and then three hours later Megan Woods announced she'd be postponing the transport biofuels mandate by a year. So everyone ask yourself what that means. We look forward to some answers. Thank you."