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Williams Poto: Support for Children in Hardship Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeWilliams Poto: Support for Children in Hardship Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 01 December 2015. Volume:710;Page:8420. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]POTO WILLIAMS (Labour—Christchurch East): I am going to take just a short call on this because as you would appreciate the amendments to the inland revenue Acts are not my strong point. However I do want to talk about clause 15 which amends the abatement rate and also clause 14 which is the base rate for the in-work tax credit. Some of the submitters spoke at length about the in-work tax credit and the inability of the in-work tax credit to do anything significant to address the issue of child poverty in New Zealand. One submitter actually stated that the use of the in-work tax credit has among other things raised human rights concerns that have necessitated complex adjustments to the tax system. They went on to state that consideration should be given to the Child Poverty Action Group’s recommendation to increase the rate of the family tax credit so that all children benefit.When I look at page 31 of the regulatory impact statement which sets out the table of the impact of the package on household budgets in relation to in-work tax credits family tax credits accommodation supplements childcare assistance and the like it is obvious that this bill is going to have a minimal effect on actually raising incomes for those families. This is because regardless of whether you are receiving an in-work tax credit—you know if you are working 40 hours of the week and have four children—you are on average going to receive an increase in your net household budget of $17.50. In fact across all of this table regardless of whether you are a jobseeker a couple working 40 hours between you or a sole parent on sole parent support the rate remains around the $17.50 mark per week except if you are a couple working about 60 hours between you which means you also get $30.50 for childcare assistance.But I want to qualify that with the statement that is made above this table. It states that this table has been presented based on the assumption that in all cases the wage rate is $15 an hour and the family is based in South Auckland and paying close to a median rent for suitably sized accommodation. Well I would have to argue that in relation to the cost of accommodation in South Auckland in particular and Auckland in general that $17.50 makes very little difference. In fact families will find themselves in a negative position in relation to the cost of accommodation.So although the Government members have said that this is part of a suite of measures to support children in hardship there has not been anything demonstrated to date that would actually address the significant impact of accommodation costs on families particularly if we are talking large numbers of families in South Auckland who are purported to be supported by this bill. That is my contribution. Thank you.
Tisch Lindsay: Support for Children in Hardship Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeTisch Lindsay: Support for Children in Hardship Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 01 December 2015. Volume:710;Page:8420. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch): Thank you. Through the microphones I take it? I will just ask the messengers. Thank you very much.
Lees-Galloway Iain: Support for Children in Hardship Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeLees-Galloway Iain: Support for Children in Hardship Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 01 December 2015. Volume:710;Page:8420. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]IAIN LEES-GALLOWAY (Labour—Palmerston North): I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. Sorry but we have had a couple of messages from people watching Parliament on television saying that there are some issues with the sound system. I was just wondering whether you could get the technicians to check that out.
Dowie Sarah: Support for Children in Hardship Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeDowie Sarah: Support for Children in Hardship Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 01 December 2015. Volume:710;Page:8414. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]SARAH DOWIE (National—Invercargill): I move That the question be now put.Motion agreed to.Part 2 agreed to.
Mallard Trevor: Support for Children in Hardship Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMallard Trevor: Support for Children in Hardship Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 01 December 2015. Volume:710;Page:8403. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Trevor Mallard): I think we have been going for 2¼ hours. A number of members have had four calls. I think we are probably in a position where the Committee can decide whether it wants the question to be put or not.Motion agreed to.The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 135 in the name of Carmel Sepuloni to clause 4 be agreed to.
Reti Shane: Support for Children in Hardship Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeReti Shane: Support for Children in Hardship Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 01 December 2015. Volume:710;Page:8403. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Dr SHANE RETI (National—Whangarei): I move That the question be now put.
Mallard Trevor: Support for Children in Hardship Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMallard Trevor: Support for Children in Hardship Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 01 December 2015. Volume:710;Page:8401. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Trevor Mallard): Annette King—and I will warn Poto Williams that she has had her four calls.
Naylor Jono: Support for Children in Hardship Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeNaylor Jono: Support for Children in Hardship Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 01 December 2015. Volume:710;Page:8401. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]JONO NAYLOR (National): I move That the question be now put.
Carter David: Urgent Debates Declined — Primary Industries Ministry—Animal CrueltyText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeCarter David: Urgent Debates Declined — Primary Industries Ministry—Animal Cruelty[Sitting date: 01 December 2015. Volume:710;Page:8389. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Mr SPEAKER: I have received a letter from the Hon Damien O’Connor seeking to debate under Standing Order 389 the revelations made in the media regarding the mistreatment of bobby calves and the potential damage to New Zealand’s international reputation. This is a particular case of recent occurrence involving ministerial responsibility. The big hurdle to get over in an urgent debate application is whether the matter has reached the stage where the business of the House should be set aside. The test is a high one. The Ministry for Primary Industries has stated that it is investigating the alleged mistreatment. The investigation has not yet concluded. Potential loss of confidence in New Zealand’s animal welfare regime is important but I am not convinced that I would be justified in setting aside the business of the House today on the basis of recent revelations and the current investigation. The application is therefore declined.
Bennett David: Oral Questions — Questions to MinistersText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeBennett David: Oral Questions — Questions to Ministers[Sitting date: 01 December 2015. Volume:710;Page:8387. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]11.DAVID BENNETT (National—Hamilton East) to the Minister of Customs: How will the Government’s investment in new SmartGate border processing technology make travel easier for passengers this Christmas?Hon NICKY WAGNER (Minister of Customs): This Thursday is the sixth anniversary of SmartGate in New Zealand. I am looking forward to using the new next-generation SmartGates in Auckland Airport. The Government has invested $6.6 million in 29 additional new SmartGates which will double the number of SmartGates in New Zealand airports. The first nine new SmartGates at Auckland are up and running and they will be ready to process the increased numbers of people over Christmas.David Bennett: How are the new SmartGates faster and more efficient than the current ones?Hon NICKY WAGNER: The new SmartGates are a one-step integrated process which means that you can put your passport into the scanner at the gate which eliminates the option of having to go to the kiosk for a ticket. The New Zealand Customs Service has increased the SmartGate capacity at Auckland Airport both on arrivals and departures and I encourage all New Zealanders to enjoy the use of them.Richard Prosser: How will the Government’s investment in new SmartGate border processing technology improve border security this Christmas in terms of preventing the entry of contraband items and biosecurity threats such as the Queensland fruit fly didymo black widow spiders redbacked spiders the bee parasite lotmaria passim Chilean needle grass noogoora burr myrtle rust the mountain pine beetle needle blight—[Interruption]Mr SPEAKER: Order! The question has been asked at the start.Hon NICKY WAGNER: The SmartGate technology is for the use of identifying passengers with their passports. The Ministry for Primary Industries has the processing to keep our borders safe and we have increased funding for the ministry for biosecurity.
Ross Jami-Lee: Oral Questions — Questions to MinistersText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeRoss Jami-Lee: Oral Questions — Questions to Ministers[Sitting date: 01 December 2015. Volume:710;Page:8384. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]8.JAMI-LEE ROSS (National—Botany) to the Minister for Building and Housing: Can he confirm that the number of building consents issued for homes in Auckland in October 2015 was 805 as compared with 205 in October 2008 and that the yearly total is the highest in 11 years?Hon Dr NICK SMITH (Minister for Building and Housing): Yes I can confirm that the latest rate of monthly home construction is nearly four times what it was when the last Government left office. The annual figures are equally strong with 8900 new homes consented in Auckland in the last year—the highest annual total in over a decade. The last 4 years of home construction has seen annual growth of 19 percent 32 percent 28 percent and 23 percent—the longest and strongest period of growth on record confirming our policies to grow supply are working.Jami-Lee Ross: What advice has he received on the impact of growing supply on prices and are there any lessons to learn from the experience in Christchurch?Hon Dr NICK SMITH: The Government’s advice is that house prices will ease in Auckland when supply matches demand. The experience in Christchurch has been where it had house price inflation of 21 percent in 2012 2013 and 2014. We had a massive residential construction programme with Minister Gerry Brownlee and 10000 homes were built over the last 3 years. We have seen house price inflation in Christchurch drop to just 2 percent and rents there in the last year have dropped by 7 percent. The Auckland housing market is four times the size and so it will take longer to get supply and demand in balance. I note that the auction clearance rate has dropped from 85 percent to 30 percent indicating that things are coming better into balance.Jami-Lee Ross: What comments has the Minister seen on the connection between the Resource Management Act and housing challenges in Auckland?Hon Dr NICK SMITH: I have read a range of comments. In March this year I read a statement saying: “You cannot blame the RMA for the housing problem. It’s nuts to claim they are connected. It is just a scapegoat.” I have also read a statement last week: “The way councils regulate housing under the RMA is the root cause”—Mr SPEAKER: Order! [Interruption] Order! I know where the—[Interruption] The member can resume his seat.Phil Twyford: Why does he pretend that the current consenting rate is some kind of success when Auckland needs 14500 new builds a year just to keep up with population growth and at the current rate of 8900 the 25000 shortfall of houses built up under his watch is getting worse at a rate of 5600 houses every year?Hon Dr NICK SMITH: The member’s numbers are dodgy just like his position on the Resource Management Act. The fact is that when Labour left Government we were building 200 houses a month. We are now building over 800 a month and that is huge progress. [Interruption]Mr SPEAKER: Order! [Interruption] Mr Brownlee. Order!
Dowie Sarah: Oral Questions — Questions to MinistersText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeDowie Sarah: Oral Questions — Questions to Ministers[Sitting date: 01 December 2015. Volume:710;Page:8383. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]6.SARAH DOWIE (National—Invercargill) to the Minister of Education: What announcements has she made recently on trades academies?Hon HEKIA PARATA (Minister of Education): Together with my colleague the Minister for Tertiary Education Skills and Employment I was pleased to announce a new trades academy for Southland. This means that next year school students in every region of the country will now have the opportunity to gain practical skills while studying towards NCEA credits and tertiary qualifications. Southland up until now has been the only region in New Zealand without a trades academy and the recognition of the Southland Institute of Technology as a trades academy lead provider will be a big boost to the skills pipeline for Southland employers. The new academy to be known as the Murihiku Trades Academy will begin operation next year and will initially have places for 40 students. The new academy will work closely with local secondary schools to offer these places to their students.Sarah Dowie: How do trades academies benefit students and the local community?Hon HEKIA PARATA: Trades academies are proving to be a popular and successful learning choice for many students and are helping to lift achievement. Young people are highly motivated by applied learning and trade pathways. As well more of those who were at risk of dropping out are staying engaged in education and gaining qualifications. Last year about 1200 18-year-olds achieved NCEA level 2 through trades academies and Youth Guarantee fees-free places who otherwise would not have gained these qualifications. Trades academies help address skills shortages in many communities. For example in Southland there are a number of labour shortages in trade-related industries and the new academy will provide secondary school students with an opportunity to transition into these industries with good career opportunities.
Reti Shane: Oral Questions — Questions to MinistersText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeReti Shane: Oral Questions — Questions to Ministers[Sitting date: 01 December 2015. Volume:710;Page:8379. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]3.Dr SHANE RETI (National—Whangarei) to the Minister of Health: Can he confirm that as at September 2015 99.31 percent of patients waiting for elective surgery received their treatment within 4 months?Hon Dr JONATHAN COLEMAN (Minister of Health): Yes I can. In September 99.82 percent of patients received their first specialist assessment within 4 months of referral and 99.31 percent of patients waited no longer than 4 months for their surgery. These statistics were published last week by the Office of the Auditor-General. The Auditor-General also noted in its report: “From 2011 to 2015 more people per 10000 of population had access to scheduled surgery.” In plain English the growth of elective surgery delivered has exceeded population growth.Dr Shane Reti: What did the Auditor-General’s report state about hospitals delivering more elective surgeries year on year?Hon Dr JONATHAN COLEMAN: The Auditor-General noted that as well as delivering shorter waiting times for first specialist assessments district health boards are increasing the volume of elective surgeries they deliver by at least 4000 per year. In fact they “exceeded this target in all years from 2008-09 to 2014-15.” That is a fantastic result and underlines the commitment of our health workforce to provide for patients as well as the Government’s $4.1 billion increase in health funding over the last 7 years.Hon Annette King: When he said on 17 November in answer to a question from Dr Reti that there had been a one-third increase in elective orthopaedic surgical discharges under this Government did he include operations undertaken under two Labour health budgets 2007-08 and 2008-09?Hon Dr JONATHAN COLEMAN: What I was including is the increase of 50000 operations a year under this Government and 100000 specialist appointments. You cannot beat that.Hon Annette King: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker.Mr SPEAKER: I will invite the member to ask the question again.Hon Annette King: When he said on 17 November in answer to a question from Dr Reti that there had been a one-third increase in elective orthopaedic surgical discharges under this Government did he include operations undertaken under two Labour health budgets 2007-08 and 2008-09?Hon Dr JONATHAN COLEMAN: What I included is the 50000 extra operations per year that this Government is delivering—50000 more each year.Barbara Stewart: Can the increased percentage of Northland District Health Board patients receiving elective surgery within 4 months be attributed to the 30 percent blowout in Northland District Health Board’s current financial budget?Hon Dr JONATHAN COLEMAN: There is no 30 percent blowout in the budget. The member has got the facts wrong.
Carter David: Voting — Correction—Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment BillText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeCarter David: Voting — Correction—Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill[Sitting date: 01 December 2015. Volume:710;Page:8376. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Mr SPEAKER: On 17 November when the House was considering the Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill the result of the vote on the Part 1 closure motion was incorrectly announced as Ayes 63 Noes 58. The correct result is Ayes 63 Noes 56. The results of the votes on the amendments to clause 5 and clause 7 were both incorrectly announced as Ayes 58 Noes 63. The correct result is Ayes 56 Noes 63. The record will be corrected accordingly.
Borrows Chester: Privilege — Reflections on the Speaker—Comments by the Hon Ruth DysonText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeBorrows Chester: Privilege — Reflections on the Speaker—Comments by the Hon Ruth Dyson[Sitting date: 01 December 2015. Volume:710;Page:8376. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER: Of course this is not question time in respect of the Deputy Speaker but my response is that I have given a clear ruling. I have hopefully given the House a clear understanding of how I ended up making that ruling and given some transparency to the process I have gone through. I am not a member of the Privileges Committee and I stand by the ruling. I will now vacate the Chair for Mr Speaker to conduct the general business of the House.
Robertson Grant: Privilege — Reflections on the Speaker—Comments by the Hon Ruth DysonText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeRobertson Grant: Privilege — Reflections on the Speaker—Comments by the Hon Ruth Dyson[Sitting date: 01 December 2015. Volume:710;Page:8376. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]GRANT ROBERTSON (Labour—Wellington Central): I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. During your ruling you effectively predetermined what you consider to be the outcome of the Privileges Committee complaint that you have just referred. You went into some depth well beyond what would normally be required and what would be desirable when you are referring a matter to the Privileges Committee. You made accusations about the intent of members of this side of the House—another matter that would be considered by the Privileges Committee. That speech you have just given will in itself lead to disorder and undermine the work of the Privileges Committee. In fact it makes it very difficult for Opposition members going into that Privileges Committee knowing that you have predetermined effectively the outcome.
Carter David: Privilege — Reflections on the Speaker—Comments by the Hon Ruth DysonText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeCarter David: Privilege — Reflections on the Speaker—Comments by the Hon Ruth Dyson[Sitting date: 01 December 2015. Volume:710;Page:8375. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Mr SPEAKER: I propose to vacate the Chair in favour of the Deputy Speaker in order that he might rule on a matter of privilege.
Urgent Debates Declined — Primary Industries Ministry—Animal CrueltyText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeUrgent Debates Declined — Primary Industries Ministry—Animal Cruelty[Sitting date: 01 December 2015. Volume:710;Page:8389. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Urgent Debates DeclinedPrimary Industries Ministry—Animal CrueltyMr SPEAKER: I have received a letter from the Hon Damien O’Connor seeking to debate under Standing Order 389 the revelations made in the media regarding the mistreatment of bobby calves and the potential damage to New Zealand’s international reputation. This is a particular case of recent occurrence involving ministerial responsibility. The big hurdle to get over in an urgent debate application is whether the matter has reached the stage where the business of the House should be set aside. The test is a high one. The Ministry for Primary Industries has stated that it is investigating the alleged mistreatment. The investigation has not yet concluded. Potential loss of confidence in New Zealand’s animal welfare regime is important but I am not convinced that I would be justified in setting aside the business of the House today on the basis of recent revelations and the current investigation. The application is therefore declined.
Voting — Correction—Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment BillText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeVoting — Correction—Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill[Sitting date: 01 December 2015. Volume:710;Page:8376. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]VotingCorrection—Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment BillMr SPEAKER: On 17 November when the House was considering the Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill the result of the vote on the Part 1 closure motion was incorrectly announced as Ayes 63 Noes 58. The correct result is Ayes 63 Noes 56. The results of the votes on the amendments to clause 5 and clause 7 were both incorrectly announced as Ayes 58 Noes 63. The correct result is Ayes 56 Noes 63. The record will be corrected accordingly.
Vote: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeVote: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In Committee[Sitting date: 17 November 2015. Volume:710;Page:8308. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]A party vote was called for on the question That Part 1 be agreed to.Ayes 107New Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 32; New Zealand First 12; Māori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1.Noes 12Green Party 12.Part 1 agreed to.
Vote: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeVote: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In Committee[Sitting date: 17 November 2015. Volume:710;Page:8308. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]A party vote was called for on the question That the amendments be agreed to.Ayes 56New Zealand Labour 32; Green Party 12; New Zealand First 12.Noes 63New Zealand National 59; Māori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1.Amendments not agreed to.
Vote: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeVote: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In Committee[Sitting date: 17 November 2015. Volume:710;Page:8308. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]A party vote was called for on the question That the amendments be agreed to.Ayes 56New Zealand Labour 32; Green Party 12; New Zealand First 12.Noes 63New Zealand National 59; Māori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1.Amendments not agreed to.The result corrected after originally being announced as Ayes 58 Noes 63.The question was put that the following amendments in the name of Phil Twyford to clause 7 be agreed to:in clause 7 insert the following subclauses:(1A)In section 161(7) replace “the Ministers” with “the Minister for the Environment and the mayor of Auckland Council”.(1B)In section 161(8) replace “The Ministers” with “The Minister for the Environment and the mayor of Auckland Council”; andin new section 161(8A) in clause 7(2) replace “The Ministers” with “The Minister for the Environment and the mayor of Auckland Council”.
Vote: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeVote: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In Committee[Sitting date: 17 November 2015. Volume:710;Page:8307. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]A party vote was called for on the question That the question be now put.Ayes 63New Zealand National 59; Māori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1.Noes 56New Zealand Labour 32; Green Party 12; New Zealand First 12.Motion agreed to.The result corrected after originally being announced as Ayes 63 Noes 58.The question was put that the following amendments in the name of Phil Twyford to clause 5 be agreed to:replace new section 144(5) with:(5)The Hearings Panel is limited to making recommendations only within the scope of the submissions made on the proposed plan; anddelete from new section 144(8) “ and identify any recommendations that are beyond the scope of the submissions made in respect of that topic or those topics”.
Vote: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeVote: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In Committee[Sitting date: 17 November 2015. Volume:710;Page:8282. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]A party vote was called for on the question That the Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill be now read a second time.Ayes 107New Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 32; New Zealand First 12; Māori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1.Noes 14Green Party 14.Bill read a second time.
Tisch Lindsay: Sittings of the HouseText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeTisch Lindsay: Sittings of the House[Sitting date: 17 November 2015. Volume:710;Page:8323. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch): I thank the honourable Minister for that. Members the House is suspended until—Hon Gerry Brownlee: No it is finished.The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch): Well we are breaking for lunch. [Interruption] There is no further business.
Brownlee Gerry: Sittings of the HouseText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeBrownlee Gerry: Sittings of the House[Sitting date: 17 November 2015. Volume:710;Page:8323. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (Leader of the House): I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. The Government has no desire to progress the third reading on this day.
Tisch Lindsay: Sittings of the HouseText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeTisch Lindsay: Sittings of the House[Sitting date: 17 November 2015. Volume:710;Page:8323. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch): Members the House will suspend for the lunch break and resume at 2 p.m. for oral questions. Following oral questions the Committee of the whole House will resume under urgency. The House is—
Reti Shane: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeReti Shane: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In Committee[Sitting date: 17 November 2015. Volume:710;Page:8320. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Dr SHANE RETI (National—Whangarei): I move That the question be now put.Motion agreed to.Part 2 agreed to.
Hipkins Chris: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeHipkins Chris: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In Committee[Sitting date: 17 November 2015. Volume:710;Page:8318. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]CHRIS HIPKINS (Labour—Rimutaka): I am going to make only a brief contribution in this Part 2 debate. The reason that I rise to take a call on this is that it does deal with some retrospective legislation which is something that I am never particularly comfortable with when we do that in the House. We have done a couple of other bills that have retrospective effect during this urgency session and I want to remind members of the Legislation Design and Advisory Committee’s advice to the House and to lawmakers with regard to retrospective laws. It states: “Legislation should not affect existing rights and should not criminalise or punish conduct that was not punishable at the time it was committed. The presumption against retrospectivity: The general rule is that legislation should have prospective not retrospective effect …”.When you consider what is happening with this particular validation—this retrospective legislation here—in fact I do not think that is in any way in conflict with what the Legislation Design and Advisory Committee is arguing. If anything one could argue that not passing this legislation would be the violation because people have in good faith participated in the process made their submissions and had their hearings and potentially if this validation does not take place they could find that that whole process was invalid and will have to start again. I would almost go so far as to say that to be consistent with the overall principle that underpins what the Legislation Design and Legislation Advisory Committee is arguing here we probably do need to pass this bill to avoid any confusion and to ensure that all those who have already had their say and had their submissions heard are still considered and that they did not waste their time.Although generally speaking I am relatively uncomfortable with retrospective validating laws and retrospective provisions in laws in this case I suspect there is probably good justification. I think however it is incumbent upon the Government to answer the questions that have been put particularly the question by the Hon David Parker which was around the particular date of 28 February and whether in fact validating that date results in any exclusion of people’s submissions where otherwise they might have been able to argue the case that they should have been included. I have not had a response from the Government on that which is somewhat disappointing. So overall like I said I have looked quite carefully at these retrospective provisions and although generally I would not support them I think in this case there is probably a reasonable justification for doing so.
Parata Hekia: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeParata Hekia: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In Committee[Sitting date: 17 November 2015. Volume:710;Page:8316. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Hon HEKIA PARATA (Minister of Education): I understand that there have been a few questions on a matter relating to Part 2 and I just wanted to assist the Committee in its consideration. In the unamended Act there were potentially two viable closing dates for submissions being 14 January 2014 and 28 February 2014. Validating 28 February 2014 as the closing date for submissions helps protect the validity of those submissions received between those two dates—those were 14 January and 28 February 2014. Thank you.
Tisch Lindsay: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeTisch Lindsay: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In Committee[Sitting date: 17 November 2015. Volume:710;Page:8309. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch): No no—look you are trifling with the Chair. The member will sit. The member will sit. You are just wasting time. That is all that is happening here. I am seeking someone who wishes to take a call.
Cunliffe David: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeCunliffe David: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In Committee[Sitting date: 17 November 2015. Volume:710;Page:8309. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Hon DAVID CUNLIFFE (Labour—New Lynn): I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. This is a matter relating to Part 2. It seeks further clarification based on the ruling you have just made. In respect of the antidote to repetition—
Tisch Lindsay: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeTisch Lindsay: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In Committee[Sitting date: 17 November 2015. Volume:710;Page:8309. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch): I thank the member. I have a list of who speaks and who does not speak. Over the course of this urgency over the last 3 days I have sought to give the call to those who have sought calls. But the matter comes down to repetition and relevancy at the time. The previous presiding officer for Part 1 made that very clear and I have carried that through. Now we have the opportunity to debate Part 2.
Hipkins Chris: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeHipkins Chris: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In Committee[Sitting date: 17 November 2015. Volume:710;Page:8308. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]CHRIS HIPKINS (Senior Whip—Labour): I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I think in the heat of the moment you might have made a ruling that you did not intend to. The calls in the Committee stage are nothing to do with the whips. The whips cannot allocate calls in the Committee stage—in fact it is at the discretion of the Chair.The issue is that this bill is going through under urgency. I accept that Part 1 is done. We are through Part 1 now. Members who were seeking a call on Part 1 and did not get it have of course now got Part 2 and the title and commencement clauses. I just seek some reassurance that there will be some flexibility for those members who have not spoken on Part 1 but who do want to speak to those issues—that they will still get some leniency in being able to do so in subsequent parts of the bill.
Tisch Lindsay: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeTisch Lindsay: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In Committee[Sitting date: 17 November 2015. Volume:710;Page:8308. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch): The member will sit. No I am going to deal with your point. [Interruption] The member will sit. If you wish to have a call that is up to how your whips allocate the calls. We have moved on from there. We are now going on to Part 2 so there is an opportunity to seek a call on Part 2. That is what we are now dealing with. [Interruption] No. We are on Part 2.
Clark David: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeClark David: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In Committee[Sitting date: 17 November 2015. Volume:710;Page:8308. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Dr DAVID CLARK (Labour—Dunedin North): I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I seek your guidance. I waited recognising it is completely at your discretion when Part 1 is put but I seek your guidance as to what remedies might be available to me having sought the call for a long period.
Macindoe Tim: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMacindoe Tim: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In Committee[Sitting date: 17 November 2015. Volume:710;Page:8307. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]TIM MACINDOE (Senior Whip—National): I move That the question be now put.
Tisch Lindsay: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeTisch Lindsay: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In Committee[Sitting date: 17 November 2015. Volume:710;Page:8306. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch): No—there is some confusion about this so I will not accept the closure motion. I am now going to call Chris Hipkins.
Macindoe Tim: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMacindoe Tim: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In Committee[Sitting date: 17 November 2015. Volume:710;Page:8306. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]TIM MACINDOE (Senior Whip—National): I seek leave for my colleague to be able to hear that you had given him the call because that was the problem.
Tisch Lindsay: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeTisch Lindsay: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In Committee[Sitting date: 17 November 2015. Volume:710;Page:8306. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch): No that is not a—[Interruption] That is not a reason. If the closure motion—
Macindoe Tim: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMacindoe Tim: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In Committee[Sitting date: 17 November 2015. Volume:710;Page:8306. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]TIM MACINDOE (Senior Whip—National): I believe that that may have been because of the absolute commotion and that my colleague—
Hipkins Chris: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeHipkins Chris: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In Committee[Sitting date: 17 November 2015. Volume:710;Page:8306. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]CHRIS HIPKINS (Senior Whip—Labour): I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I absolutely accept your ruling. The Standing Orders are very specific about the form of words that a closure motion must take. The form of words the member just moved do not meet the requirements of the Standing Orders.
Tisch Lindsay: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeTisch Lindsay: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In Committee[Sitting date: 17 November 2015. Volume:710;Page:8306. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch): We have had—[Interruption] Order! No no points of order; I am on my feet. We have had an hour and 50 minutes on this debate. There have been 21 calls and there have been only four members who have spoken against the provisions of the bill so I am prepared to accept a closure motion. The Committee can decide whether it accepts it or not.
Muller Todd: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMuller Todd: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In Committee[Sitting date: 17 November 2015. Volume:710;Page:8306. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]TODD MULLER (National—Bay of Plenty): I move the question be now put.
Hayes Joanne: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeHayes Joanne: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In Committee[Sitting date: 17 November 2015. Volume:710;Page:8301. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]JOANNE HAYES (Third Whip—National): I move That the question be now put.
Upston Louise: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeUpston Louise: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In Committee[Sitting date: 17 November 2015. Volume:710;Page:8300. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Hon LOUISE UPSTON (Associate Minister of Local Government): I do want to take the opportunity to put to rest some of the concerns that the Opposition has been raising on the questions of the hearings sessions and the quorum. So I will make just a couple of points on that.The intention of the quorum of two is around site-specific hearings. It is at the discretion of the chairperson so not all sessions will have that smaller number. It is at the discretion of the chair. Those sessions are for hearing evidence. They are not for decision making. So again it is in the interests of how to get this work done and hear the evidence and the opportunity to do that is what you would expect for those who want to be heard. But that group the quorum being lowered from three to two is not a decision-making process.So the lowering of the quorum of the hearings session from three to two is only about—I want to reiterate—the hearing of evidence. It is not about the recommendations or the consideration which is done by the Auckland Unitary Plan Independent Hearings Panel. So the hearings session is not a decision-making step.
Doocey Matt: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeDoocey Matt: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In Committee[Sitting date: 17 November 2015. Volume:710;Page:8299. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]MATT DOOCEY (National—Waimakariri): I move—[Interruption]The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Trevor Mallard): Order! Sorry; Mr Doocey has the call and I would like to hear what he is saying.MATT DOOCEY: I move That the question be now put.
Mallard Trevor: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMallard Trevor: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In Committee[Sitting date: 17 November 2015. Volume:710;Page:8299. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Trevor Mallard): Before I call another member I will just indicate to the Committee that I have been advised both from my left and my right that the advice on the question of the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act vetting is available now on the Ministry of Justice website and no issues have been raised.
Mallard Trevor: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMallard Trevor: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In Committee[Sitting date: 17 November 2015. Volume:710;Page:8298. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Trevor Mallard): I have asked the Minister to make sure that that is made available to the Committee—either the report or the fact that one has not been made or has been made. It is an important point.
Robertson Grant: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeRobertson Grant: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In Committee[Sitting date: 17 November 2015. Volume:710;Page:8298. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]GRANT ROBERTSON (Labour—Wellington Central): I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I raise it under Standing Order 265 which covers the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act. I would ask Mr Chair for your assistance here. We have a departmental disclosure statement that indicates to us that advice on the section 7 report is expected to be available upon the introduction of the bill. I have checked that website; it is not there. It is not on the Table—The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Trevor Mallard): I will interrupt the member and say that I have following his speech asked the Minister to follow up with officials on that question. We have not yet had a response.GRANT ROBERTSON: Can I then receive your reassurance that at the point at which you get that advice you will transmit that to us by way of a ruling?
Mallard Trevor: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMallard Trevor: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In Committee[Sitting date: 17 November 2015. Volume:710;Page:8296. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Trevor Mallard): Sue Moroney.Hon Ruth Dyson: Is it Sue or me?The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Trevor Mallard): No Sue Moroney.
Mallard Trevor: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMallard Trevor: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In Committee[Sitting date: 17 November 2015. Volume:710;Page:8295. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Trevor Mallard): The members will resume their seats while I am on my feet. I am not going to take it now but I am going to warn people that I will now be looking very closely at the speeches being on the detail of the bill not a relitigation of the history of the Auckland region.
Korako Nuk: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeKorako Nuk: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In Committee[Sitting date: 17 November 2015. Volume:710;Page:8295. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]NUK KORAKO (National): I move That the question be now put.
Borrows Chester: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeBorrows Chester: Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill — Second Reading In Committee[Sitting date: 17 November 2015. Volume:710;Page:8284. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Chester Borrows): Chris Hipkins.