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Vote: Employment Relations (Breaks and Infant Feeding) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Employment Relations (Breaks and Infant Feeding) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 02 September 2008. Volume:649;Page:18195. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 67 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 5; Maori Party 4; Progressive 1; Independent: Field. 
Noes 50 
New Zealand National 47; United Future 2; Independent: Copeland. 
Amendments agreed to. 
Part 1 as amended agreed to.
Barnett Tim: Disability (United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities) Bill — Second Reading In Committee 
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Barnett Tim: Disability (United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities) Bill — Second Reading In Committee 
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TIM BARNETT (Senior Whip—Labour) 
: 
 I seek leave for the Committee stage debate to be taken as one question with separate votes on the provisions of the bill. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Marian Hobbs) 
: Leave is sought to do that. Is there any objection? There being no objection that is how we will proceed.
Mallard Trevor: Employment Relations (Breaks Infant Feeding and Other Matters) Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
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Mallard Trevor: Employment Relations (Breaks Infant Feeding and Other Matters) Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
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Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Minister of Labour) 
: 
 I move  
That the Employment Relations (Breaks Infant Feeding and Other Matters) Amendment Bill be now read a third time 
. This is a bill with relatively non-controversial parts to it. Right at the beginning I acknowledge the very good work of my parliamentary colleague Sue Moroney in the early stages of this legislation. I also thank Steve Chadwick for the expertise that she has shown. Those two members from the Waikato and the Bay of Plenty have made an enormous contribution to Parliament and I thank them for getting into the law something that is very very reasonable.  
There was a fairly small amendment on the question of KiwiSaver that did not take a lot of debating late last night and early this morning. Essentially the amendment organises the law in the way that people thought it should be organised. In fact many of us thought—other than from the actions of some unreasonable employers—that that was what was occurring under the law anyway. 
Craig Foss 
: Why didn’t you fix it when they submitted? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: Well basically it was because I did not believe any employer would be so unreasonable as to take KiwiSaver employer contributions from the wages of a worker and at the same time collect the employer subsidies. That is a sad state of affairs and it is clear that Craig Foss has more experience of working with unethical employers than I have. He could well be one himself. That is something that the National Party to its shame stood up for. National members stood up for employers who were taking the employer contribution out of the wages of their employees. That was absolutely wrong and I think it is sad.  
But I think it is fair to say that National members did not stand up for it for very long. They did not oppose the motion to incorporate the amendment regarding KiwiSaver in the bill which is something that I was slightly surprised about and they voted for it at each stage. They voted for Parts 1 and 2 of the bill notwithstanding those changes. They voted for the second reading and I understand that they are voting for the third reading.  
So I am very pleased to say we have a unanimous decision of the Parliament to treat employees properly as to their meal breaks and rest breaks and to treat breastfeeding mothers and those mothers who are expressing milk with much more dignity than has been the case in the past. I think that is very important. Furthermore we have had the clarification around KiwiSaver which I understand will be passed unanimously as part of the third reading of the bill and I want to thank all members of the House for that.
Peachey Allan: Biofuel Bill — In Committee 
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Peachey Allan: Biofuel Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 02 September 2008. Volume:649;Page:18283. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
ALLAN PEACHEY (National—Tamaki) 
: 
 I appreciate the opportunity to make a contribution to the debate on Part 1 of the Biofuel Bill. The people of New Zealand heard it here first when the Minister who is the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Finance in the disintegrating Clark-Peters coalition came down to this Chamber and told us that this bill will cost New Zealanders money. I do not know why the Minister of Finance did not go the next step and admit that the way in which this bill is structured amounts to nothing more than stealing food from the mouths of the poor. That is what that crowd opposite and its coalition partners to my left are engaged in. 
I listened with a good degree of interest to the contribution made by the list member Moana Mackey. This Government with contributions such as that member’s is ignoring some of the best international evidence on this subject. Does anybody in this Chamber in this debate on Part 1 of the Biofuel Bill find compelling the suggestion that Moana Mackey list MP who is not capable of holding a seat herself has greater wisdom than the chief scientist of the United Kingdom? For that matter do the members of the Green Party have any greater wisdom than the secretaries general of the United Nations the Royal Society or the World Bank? And surely nobody in this House will suggest there is greater wisdom in the New Zealand First Party—in particular in the New Zealand First member who spoke a few moments ago—than for example the G8 conference of legislators the House of Commons Environmental Audit Committee report or the OECD Round Table on Sustainable Development. 
It will not be lost on the people of New Zealand as we debate Part 1 that that Government over there the disintegrating Clark-Peters coalition is putting forward legislation for this country and trying to rush it through under urgency in the dying days of this tired Parliament. I ask the Minister in the chair the Hon David Parker what the hurry is. I invite the Minister to explain what the hurry is. Does anybody in New Zealand seriously think that this bill is good for the country? I invite the Minister to get up be up front and explain to this House—and through this House to the citizens of New Zealand—why this is so urgent. What are the compelling political forces that are driving the Clark-Peters coalition to bring this legislation—Part 1 of the Biofuel Bill—before this House under urgency in its dying days? The Minister must answer that question. 
The Minister must also answer the question as to why there is a mandatory sales obligation. Why is a mandatory sales obligation coming into effect before the regulations to define sustainable biofuels? Why is that? Is this just another example of a nanny State a disintegrating Government and a Parliament in the last days of its life telling New Zealanders what is better for them?
Hodgson Pete: Biofuel Bill — In Committee 
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Hodgson Pete: Biofuel Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 02 September 2008. Volume:649;Page:18284. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon PETE HODGSON (Minister for Economic Development) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
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Auchinvole Chris: Employment Relations (Breaks and Infant Feeding) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Auchinvole Chris: Employment Relations (Breaks and Infant Feeding) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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CHRIS AUCHINVOLE (National) 
: 
 Just to help me with the technicalities does that mean then that without that clause this particular part would not have been within the scope of the bill?
Mallard Trevor: Employment Relations (Breaks and Infant Feeding) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Mallard Trevor: Employment Relations (Breaks and Infant Feeding) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Minister of Labour) 
: 
 It was moved immediately after the urgency motion; as soon as this bill was called and before we went into Committee. The member’s party supported it.
Tremain Chris: Employment Relations (Breaks and Infant Feeding) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Tremain Chris: Employment Relations (Breaks and Infant Feeding) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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CHRIS TREMAIN (Junior Whip—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Chairperson.  
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Marian Hobbs) 
: Is it a new matter? 
CHRIS TREMAIN 
: I want to clarify when specifically that was moved.
Hobbs Marian: Employment Relations (Breaks and Infant Feeding) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Hobbs Marian: Employment Relations (Breaks and Infant Feeding) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Marian Hobbs) 
: That is actually correct Ms Wilkinson. There was a— 
Hon Trevor Mallard 
: —motion in the name of Dr Cullen.
Mallard Trevor: Employment Relations (Breaks and Infant Feeding) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Mallard Trevor: Employment Relations (Breaks and Infant Feeding) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 02 September 2008. Volume:649;Page:18189. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Minister of Labour) 
: 
 The member is absolutely right and that is why the House before it went into Committee unanimously passed a motion to bring the amendment within the scope.
Parker David: Biofuel Bill — In Committee 
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Parker David: Biofuel Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 02 September 2008. Volume:649;Page:18300. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon DAVID PARKER (Minister of Energy) 
: 
 I move  
That the Committee divide the bill into the Energy (Fuels Levies and References) Amendment Bill the Customs and Excise Amendment Bill (No 5) the Tariff Amendment Bill (No 2) and the Local Government Act 1974 Amendment Bill (No 2)  
pursuant to Supplementary Order Paper 245 
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Hobbs Marian: Employment Relations (Breaks and Infant Feeding) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Marian Hobbs) 
: Before I call Dr Wayne Mapp I will ask whether we could have less barrage. Both sides know well I say to Miss Bennett—less barrage.
Moroney Sue: Employment Relations (Breaks and Infant Feeding) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Moroney Sue: Employment Relations (Breaks and Infant Feeding) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 02 September 2008. Volume:649;Page:18187. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
SUE MORONEY (Labour) 
: 
 Last night when we were debating Part 1 of this bill the National Party was asking what these issues had in common. I just want to spell it out because this debate is about the purpose of this bill. National members asked what having meal breaks and rest periods having the right to breastfeed at work and having the right to take a personal grievance against one’s employer if he or she tries to disadvantage one for joining KiwiSaver have in common. Well I will tell National members what those things have in common: it is all about fairness at work. It is all about having fairness at work and it is all about ensuring that when there are mean-spirited employers who will deny employees their proper meal breaks or will try to disadvantage them because they dare to save for their future or dare to save for their retirement all these things are about fairness at work. The Labour-led Government will not stand by a minute longer to allow that unfairness to continue in the workplace and that is what it is about. So the National Party needs to understand that workers do have rights at work that it is about fairness and that— 
Paula Bennett 
: Send it back to the select committee. 
SUE MORONEY 
: The member says to send it back to the select committee. There was a very full select committee process over KiwiSaver. The employers understood the rules—they knew exactly what was being asked for there. And the National Party voted against KiwiSaver as well.
Simich Clem: Reserve Bank of New Zealand Amendment Bill (No 3) — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
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Simich Clem: Reserve Bank of New Zealand Amendment Bill (No 3) — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
[Sitting date: 02 September 2008. Volume:649;Page:18222. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich) 
: This debate includes the schedules.
Vote: Biofuel Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Biofuel Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 02 September 2008. Volume:649;Page:18292. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 69 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 5; Maori Party 4; United Future 2; Progressive 1; Independent: Field. 
Noes 50 
New Zealand National 47; ACT New Zealand 2; Independent: Copeland. 
Motion agreed to.
Vote: Biofuel Bill — Second Reading 
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Vote: Biofuel Bill — Second Reading 
[Sitting date: 02 September 2008. Volume:649;Page:18272. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Biofuel Bill be now read a second time. 
Ayes 70 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; United Future 2; Progressive 1; Independent: Field. 
Noes 50 
New Zealand National 47; ACT New Zealand 2; Independent: Copeland. 
Bill read a second time.
Moroney Sue: Reserve Bank of New Zealand Amendment Bill (No 3) — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
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Moroney Sue: Reserve Bank of New Zealand Amendment Bill (No 3) — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
[Sitting date: 02 September 2008. Volume:649;Page:18231. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
SUE MORONEY (Labour) 
: 
 It is my pleasure to take a short call on the third reading of the Reserve Bank of New Zealand Amendment Bill (No 3). This bill establishes a framework for the regulation of non-bank deposit takers with the aim of promoting a sound and efficient financial system. The bill also promotes a sound and efficient financial sector in which the public has confidence. It will increase the public’s confidence in the professionalism and the integrity of the advisers so it is very timely from that perspective. 
This bill is part of the largest-ever reform of the non-bank finance sector and it has been conducted with wide input from and the support of that industry. It also promotes the development of a more consistent regulatory framework for financial services and coupled with the advent of KiwiSaver it will promote a stronger savings culture and encourage greater levels of investment. This issue was well traversed with the previous bill passed by the House the Employment Relations (Breaks and Infant Feeding) Amendment Bill. We want to ensure that we shift from the credit card - type culture that has developed here in New Zealand to a stronger savings culture and this bill will aid and abet that process. Thank you.
Vote: Biofuel Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Biofuel Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 02 September 2008. Volume:649;Page:18293. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That schedule 2 be agreed to. 
Ayes 69 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 5; Maori Party 4; United Future 2; Progressive 1; Independent: Field. 
Noes 50 
New Zealand National 47; ACT New Zealand 2; Independent: Copeland. 
Schedule 2 agreed to.
Vote: Biofuel Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Biofuel Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 02 September 2008. Volume:649;Page:18293. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That schedule 1A be agreed to. 
Ayes 69 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 5; Maori Party 4; United Future 2; Progressive 1; Independent: Field. 
Noes 50 
New Zealand National 47; ACT New Zealand 2; Independent: Copeland. 
Schedule 1A agreed to.
Vote: Biofuel Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Biofuel Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 02 September 2008. Volume:649;Page:18284. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 66 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; United Future 2; Progressive 1; Independent: Field. 
Noes 50 
New Zealand National 47; ACT New Zealand 2; Independent: Copeland. 
Motion agreed to.
Tisch Lindsay: Subordinate Legislation (Confirmation and Validation) Bill (No 4) — First Reading 
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Tisch Lindsay: Subordinate Legislation (Confirmation and Validation) Bill (No 4) — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 02 September 2008. Volume:649;Page:18235. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
LINDSAY TISCH (National—Piako) 
: 
 National will be cooperating with the Government on the Subordinate Legislation (Confirmation and Validation) Bill (No 4) and supporting its referral to the Regulations Review Committee which Dr Worth spoke about earlier and of which I am a member along with Eric Roy on the National side. We will be happy to support this bill. We know how important it is to have this legislation back in the House and National will be supporting it.  
Bill read a first time.  
Bill referred to the Regulations Review Committee.
Hobbs Marian: Employment Relations (Breaks and Infant Feeding) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Hobbs Marian: Employment Relations (Breaks and Infant Feeding) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 02 September 2008. Volume:649;Page:18189. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Marian Hobbs) 
: Yes. A motion—and I have in front of me now—was moved at the beginning. It said: “I move that it be an instruction to the Committee of the whole House that it have the power to consider and if it thinks fit adopt the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 229.” That was passed by the House and therefore it has been agreed by the House that Supplementary Order Paper 229 is under consideration as part of this bill.
Auchinvole Chris: Disability (United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities) Bill Human Rights Amendment Bill (No 2) — Third Readings 
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Auchinvole Chris: Disability (United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities) Bill Human Rights Amendment Bill (No 2) — Third Readings 
[Sitting date: 02 September 2008. Volume:649;Page:18342. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
CHRIS AUCHINVOLE (National) 
: 
 These third readings are I guess are an opportunity for members in company with their colleagues to express thanks to those who have been involved in the preparation of this legislation. It certainly was useful to have that degree of preparation. This is also an opportunity to acknowledge again the support for the legislation from the disability sector. 
I am sorry that Mr Chauvel my colleague on the Justice and Electoral Committee was not present to hear earlier speeches. To some extent I felt he tried to cheapen the debate. Mr Chauvel should know that trout actually do play a part in therapy and on more than one occasion I have fished on the banks of the Arnold River in Westland by arrangement with people recovering from mental illness. 
This legislation has a very wide reach and it is important to ensure that it is fully and effectively developed rather than it being just a much vaunted piece of rhetoric. We have to reach beyond the disability sector to create an understanding and awareness amongst people who through no fault of their own do not have a clear understanding of the implications of this legislation. For the disability sector this legislation is a line that it has been waiting to reach and I congratulate it on reaching that line. For the rest of us it is just a beginning. The work begins now. I am sure the work and preparation that has been done by the present Minister Ruth Dyson is a tribute to the way things can be done. The rest of us must make sure that it is followed through so that the real benefits continue on well beyond this evening’s celebration. Thank you Mr Deputy Speaker.
Wilkinson Kate: Employment Relations (Breaks and Infant Feeding) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Wilkinson Kate: Employment Relations (Breaks and Infant Feeding) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 02 September 2008. Volume:649;Page:18189. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
KATE WILKINSON (National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Chairperson. I seek a ruling as to the relevance of the amendment to the initial question pursuant to Standing Order 119. I seek a ruling as to the relevance of KiwiSaver to the issue of meal breaks as it is outside the Standing Orders and therefore out of order.
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — Second Reading 
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Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — Second Reading 
[Sitting date: 02 September 2008. Volume:649;Page:18256. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments recommended by the Transport and Industrial Relations Committee by majority be agreed to. 
Ayes 70 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; United Future 2; Progressive 1; Independent: Field. 
Noes 50 
New Zealand National 47; ACT New Zealand 2; Independent: Copeland. 
Question agreed to.
Speaker’s Rulings — Maori Affairs Committee—Attendance 
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Speaker’s Rulings — Maori Affairs Committee—Attendance 
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Speaker’s Rulings 
Maori Affairs Committee—Attendance 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Before I call the next speaker I will deal with a matter that was raised before the dinner break by way of a point of order. The Hon Tau Henare raised a point of order immediately before the Committee stage of the Biofuel Bill. I indicated that I would consider the matter and I have done so. The House has no cognisance of anything taking place before a select committee unless it is reported to the House. It is not in order for a member to raise a point of order in the House on a matter taking place in a select committee. If a committee requires a Speaker’s ruling it should resolve to obtain the ruling and the chairperson should do so privately. I refer the member to Speakers’ rulings 82/4-5 and 83/1-4. The member should raise his concern with the chairperson of the select committee. The Speaker has no authority to become involved. However I am advised that the meeting the member referred to is at 1 p.m. tomorrow. Nothing prevents a chairperson from calling a meeting at that time.
Points of Order — Maori Affairs Committee—Attendance 
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Points of Order — Maori Affairs Committee—Attendance 
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Points of Order 
Maori Affairs Committee—Attendance 
Hon TAU HENARE (National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I bring to the attention of the House that the chairman of the Maori Affairs Committee has called an urgent meeting of the Maori Affairs Committee tomorrow. Unfortunately not a lot of people on this side of the House can be at that meeting because it does not fall on the usual day that we meet and members of the select committee have other select committee business and other issues to attend to. I am wondering what the Speaker’s view of that would be. It would have been all right if we had had notice of the meeting but we did not have any notice; it has come out of the blue. Mr Deputy Speaker I would appreciate your view. 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: My view is that I will digest the matter for the moment and give you an answer very soon.
Brown Peter: Government Superannuation Fund Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Brown Peter: Government Superannuation Fund Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 23 September 2008. Volume:650;Page:19066. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
PETER BROWN (Whip—NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Marian Hobbs) 
: No telling tales! 
PETER BROWN 
: It is not telling tales. I just say that it was an alarm clock to wake up the National Party. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Marian Hobbs) 
: Down the member goes; he is out of order.
Brown Peter: Electricity (Continuance of Supply) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Brown Peter: Electricity (Continuance of Supply) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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PETER BROWN (Deputy Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. Mathematics is not debatable. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Marian Hobbs) 
: I am sorry Mr Brown. 
Bill read a first time.  
Bill referred to the Commerce Committee.
Brown Peter: Electricity (Continuance of Supply) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Brown Peter: Electricity (Continuance of Supply) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 23 September 2008. Volume:650;Page:19087. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
PETER BROWN (Deputy Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. I listened to the honourable member’s speech with interest and noting that he is a former school principal I wonder whether he could explain to the House how he can say that from 1992 to 2013 is 25 years. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Marian Hobbs) 
: I am sorry Mr Brown but that is a debatable point. It is not a point of order.
Brown Peter: Government Superannuation Fund Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Brown Peter: Government Superannuation Fund Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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PETER BROWN (Deputy Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 I am keen to hear what the National Party people have to say on this bill.  
Hon Members 
: He’s woken up. 
PETER BROWN 
: They are awake; that is good. I did not sense one iota of enthusiasm for this bill from National members. It was almost as if they had their arm twisted up their back and thought they had to support this bill but did not really want to. The Hon Dr Lockwood Smith said that if we did not have high inflation we would not need this bill. That is a preposterous statement. [ 
Interruption 
] That is what the member said. He went on to talk about higher productivity. I spoke to a National Party member not an MP not that long ago and he told me that productivity is a measure of output over cost. If we take that measurement it means the lower the cost the lower the wages and the higher the productivity.  
New Zealand First is much more influenced by people like the young New Zealander who said to me that the reason he was going to Australia was that for the same amount of effort the same amount of determination and the same amount of conscientiousness he would be paid more and would have a better lifestyle and better working conditions. That is why our people are going there. It is nothing to do with productivity. They work just as hard in New Zealand as they do in Australia. New Zealand First supports this bill wholeheartedly because it is fair it is just and that makes it necessary. Thank you.
Turei Metiria: Education Amendment Bill (No 3) — First Reading 
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Turei Metiria: Education Amendment Bill (No 3) — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 23 September 2008. Volume:650;Page:19063. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
METIRIA TUREI (Green) 
: 
 I want to take a very short call on this bill the Education Amendment Bill (No 3). The Greens will be supporting its referral to a select committee and I note that the select committee will not be considering it until after the election so there is some time for its clauses to be looked at by the community and by politicians in the meantime.  
The big issue that has arisen for me has been in relation to playcentres and the issues of supervision and police vetting. I understand that this is a very serious concern for playcentres and I think they are right to be concerned. In our view we do need to look very carefully at balancing the concerns about the impact on playcentres and other centres of police vetting—the costs and the difficulty for especially volunteer activity in these centres—against the needs of children to be safe. It is something we need to look at very seriously at the select committee. I do think the select committee needs to address the issues which is why we are supporting the bill.  
There are a lot of other issues in the bill that we are concerned about but we are concerned about this issue in particular. I support the New Zealand Playcentre Federation in its lobbying of politicians on the issue. We know that it is a serious concern for that organisation. I think there is an interesting discussion about the definition of “unsupervised access to children” in the bill and in time the select committee will need to look at what that means.  
I want to acknowledge the Green Party’s support for the legislation as well as Playcentre and its very real concerns about the bill and I want to send the message that the Greens will be taking this issue very seriously.
Tremain Chris: Business of the House 
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Tremain Chris: Business of the House 
[Sitting date: 23 September 2008. Volume:650;Page:19051. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
CHRIS TREMAIN (Junior Whip—National) 
: 
 I have one other point for clarification. This was agreed at the Business Committee?
Power Simon: Financial Service Providers (Registration and  Dispute Resolution) Bill — Second Reading In Committee 
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Power Simon: Financial Service Providers (Registration and  Dispute Resolution) Bill — Second Reading In Committee 
[Sitting date: 23 September 2008. Volume:650;Page:19027. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
SIMON POWER (National—Rangitikei) 
: 
 Although we will not have any difficulty with giving leave in that regard I just want to make it clear that that will not in any way limit the overall time that is available for members to make a contribution. It would be simply taken as one question is that right? 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I am sure that that will be given every consideration Mr Power. Leave has been sought. Is there any objection to that course of action being taken? There appears to be none.
Mallard Trevor: Electricity (Continuance of Supply) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Mallard Trevor: Electricity (Continuance of Supply) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 23 September 2008. Volume:650;Page:19076. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Minister for the Environment) 
: 
 For a short period of time I think on two separate occasions I had the honour of being the Minister of Energy. This is an issue that was around in those times and I think the time has come for it to be sorted out.  
I do not agree with the policy that was enacted in 1993 and that is now unfair on people who are in remote areas and have had a tradition of supply but I think we should also focus on some of the positive things that can come out of this legislation. I think of the use of alternative energy and the pulling together of the various methodologies of supplying people on—I do not think they are actually spur lines—some of these very long and uneconomic lines. There are some alternatives and I am sure that over a period of time there will be a combination of probably in some areas wind-fed batteries solar power and possibly some of the more modern generation of battery power being used as well within those places in order to minimise the use of those lines. It might be that in some cases for a small percentage of time some forms of power generation that might not be quite the best will end up being used. But what will happen is that individual packages will be put together for each of these places and they will be appropriate. I am sure there will be negotiations and I am sure that in 2013 or 2023 we will have a much richer and much more diverse form of electricity supply to these places.
Woolerton R Doug: Financial Service Providers (Registration and  Dispute Resolution) Bill — Second Reading In Committee 
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Woolerton R Doug: Financial Service Providers (Registration and  Dispute Resolution) Bill — Second Reading In Committee 
[Sitting date: 23 September 2008. Volume:650;Page:19022. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
R DOUG WOOLERTON (NZ First) 
: 
 New Zealand First is supporting the Financial Service Providers (Registration and Dispute Resolutions) Bill which I guess is the disciplinary side of the Financial Advisers Bill. I will not be taking a long call. In fact it will be for only a couple of minutes because we have other business to get through before the House rises. Like all my New Zealand First colleagues I am looking forward to fighting an exceptionally good election campaign and to New Zealand First returning with increased numbers. We are keen to get on and not hold up the process.  
I think we cannot have a registration process as proposed in the Financial Advisers Bill without some disciplinary procedures to go with it. This bill provides that. There is a fairly decent amount of industry involvement so that these people will not be judged just by some cold harsh people. They will have an involvement in the disciplining themselves. This legislation was intended to be light-handed so that we do not stifle entrepreneurial activity altogether in this country and to give some surety to the public so they can have some confidence in the people who are giving them advice. For them to know that the advisers are subject to some disciplinary action just adds to that surety. That is all I want to say. We intend to sit here and support the bill to its conclusion and to listen to the contributions of my colleagues. Thank you.
Paraone Pita: Fisheries Act 1996 Amendment Bill (No 2) — Third Reading 
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Paraone Pita: Fisheries Act 1996 Amendment Bill (No 2) — Third Reading 
[Sitting date: 23 September 2008. Volume:650;Page:19018. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
PITA PARAONE (NZ First) 
: 
 Tena koe Madam Assistant Speaker. New Zealand First of course supports the Fisheries Act 1996 Amendment Bill (No 2). We are indeed pleased about the fact that it is being passed at this stage because that will then allow the Minister of Fisheries to start the process of issuing the various quotas that are required for the beginning of the fishing season which starts on 1 October.  
One of the things I note about this bill is that it came about because of a court action. Like the previous speaker David Carter I hope that as a consequence of this bill we will not see any further litigation in this regard.  
The bill provides for a precautionary approach to be taken and it is great that it is being passed at this time. This country has a resource that many other nations would like to have—I am not quite sure whether they would like to share it. But certainly we as a nation because of the proximity of the various fish species and the importance they have to our economy should ensure that one we have processes in place to protect that resource and two we are able at the same time to get the maximum return and the maximum benefit from it not only for the people of New Zealand but for ourselves as a nation. With what seems to be the trend of entering into free-trade agreements I suspect that the fishing industry will have a major input into increasing the benefits that such agreements provide for our nation.  
In conclusion I reaffirm that New Zealand First supports this bill. 
Bill read a third time.
O'Connor Damien: Fisheries Act 1996 Amendment Bill (No 2) — Third Reading 
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O'Connor Damien: Fisheries Act 1996 Amendment Bill (No 2) — Third Reading 
[Sitting date: 23 September 2008. Volume:650;Page:19017. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon DAMIEN O’CONNOR (Minister of Tourism) 
 on behalf of the  
Minister of Fisheries 
: I move  
That the Fisheries Act 1996 Amendment Bill (No 2) be now read a third time 
. The Fisheries Act 1996 Amendment Bill (No 2) amends the Fisheries Act 1996 and in particular section 13 of that Act. The provisions of the bill address an issue pointed out by the High Court in February 2008 in a case reviewing decisions on total allowable catch for area 1 stock of orange roughy. The court pointed out that the practice of the past two decades in the management of many of New Zealand’s fisheries has been inconsistent with the current wording of the Act. It has effectively disabled the key management measure for the majority of our fisheries—that is the setting of total allowable catches under section 13 of the Act. 
In short the bill addresses the problem identified by the court and restores the ability of the Minister of Fisheries to set catch limits for all quota management system fish stocks. It introduces a new subsection (2A) into section 13 of the Act. The new provision restores the ability of the Minister to set sustainable catch limits for all fish stocks and allows the management of fishing to continue as it has done in the past. 
The Primary Production Committee reported the bill back to the House. Essentially the committee agrees that the bill does what it set out to do and that it is important to focus on this task alone. I acknowledge the amendments put forward by the Greens but it was the view of the Committee and the House that the bill as reported back achieves what we set out to do—that is to take a precautionary approach but allow enough flexibility for the Minister to set total allowable catches. 
The bill contains provisions that will correct the deficiencies of the Fisheries Act 1996 identified by the High Court ruling and allows the most important fisheries management decisions to be made in a timely manner consistent with practice in recent years. That will restore the ability of the management system to fulfil the purpose of the Act which is to provide for utilisation of fisheries resources while ensuring sustainability. I commend this bill to the House.
Paraone Pita: Third Readings — 
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Paraone Pita: Third Readings — 
[Sitting date: 23 September 2008. Volume:650;Page:19009. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
PITA PARAONE (NZ First) 
: 
 Tena koe Madam Speaker. It is my pleasure to participate in the third reading of this legislation and to signal our support for it. I want to acknowledge the work of the Primary Production Committee; although I am not a member of it I did participate in the final areas of debate before the legislation was reported back to the House. Although I did not have any voting rights I want to accord my appreciation to the chairman for allowing me to contribute when I wanted to.  
Aquaculture is an industry that has great potential for this country. Unfortunately we are not seeing the full benefits of this particular industry for whatever reason be it political or otherwise. But this legislation will go a long way to see the acceleration of this industry as a major export source for the betterment of our country. I am particularly pleased to see that the issue of Maori fisheries has been addressed. I know that those in the industry particularly those interested in Maori interests are very supportive of this bill. I know that Te Ohu Kai Moana made representations on behalf of the Maori interests in fisheries and came out in support of it.  
I do not have too much more to say other than to say that this legislation is timely and I look forward to seeing this whole aquaculture industry grow not only for the benefit of those who will participate in it but for our country as a whole. Kia ora. 
Bills read a third time.
Vote: Fisheries Act 1996 Amendment Bill (No 2) — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
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Vote: Fisheries Act 1996 Amendment Bill (No 2) — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Sitting date: 23 September 2008. Volume:650;Page:19016. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 10 
Green Party 6; Maori Party 4. 
Noes 107 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand National 47; New Zealand First 7; United Future 2; Progressive 1; Independent: Field. 
Amendments not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Metiria Turei to clause 4 be agreed to: 
to add the following subclause: 
(3A)Section 13(3) is amended by omitting “the Minister shall have regard to such social cultural and economic factors as he or she considers relevant” and substituting “the Minister shall consistently with the purpose and environmental principles of the Act have regard to such social cultural and economic factors as he or she considers relevant”. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
Clauses 1 to 5 agreed to. 
Bill reported without amendment. 
Report adopted.
Cullen Michael: Fisheries Act 1996 Amendment Bill (No 2) — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
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Cullen Michael: Fisheries Act 1996 Amendment Bill (No 2) — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Sitting date: 23 September 2008. Volume:650;Page:19016. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I seek leave for it to be an instruction to the Committee of the whole House that it take the Committee stage of the Fisheries Act 1996 Amendment Bill (No 2) as a single debate with the relevant questions put at the end.  
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Marian Hobbs) 
: Leave is sought to do this. Is there any objection to that course of action? There being none that instruction shall be given.
Paraone Pita: Fisheries Act 1996 Amendment Bill (No 2) — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
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Paraone Pita: Fisheries Act 1996 Amendment Bill (No 2) — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Sitting date: 23 September 2008. Volume:650;Page:19015. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
PITA PARAONE (NZ First) 
: 
 I say to the member that the name of the person I heard referred to is John McInteer who I understand is a member of the National Party.  
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Marian Hobbs) 
: Does the member wish to seek the call?  
PITA PARAONE 
: Tena koe Madam Assistant Speaker. I stand on behalf of New Zealand First to take a short call and to indicate that New Zealand First will certainly be supporting the Fisheries Act 1996 Amendment Bill (No 2). The bill imposes a technical change in regard to section 13 of the Fisheries Act 1996 where it provides for the continuance of established practice by the Minister of Fisheries when setting a total allowable catch for a stock covered by the quota management system. It would allow a total allowable catch to be set even where estimates of the current and target biomass of a fish stock were not available. The bill is a response to a recent High Court ruling which found that as the principal Act stands the Minister must be provided with estimates of the current biomass of a stock and of the biomass that can represent the maximum sustainable yield from that stock before setting a total allowable catch. 
Reference has been made by a previous speaker that two particular lobby groups within the industry expressed some concern about the short notice and possibly about the lack of opportunity to be consulted on this bill. I say that around about this time last year I and a number of members of this House attended the quarterly meeting of option4 and the Hokianga Accord. At that particular conference this whole fishing issue was discussed. I extended an invitation for the members of that conference to come and visit New Zealand First to clarify the concerns they might have but I can report that from that day to this day neither I nor any of my caucus colleagues have received a visit from either of those groups. We have heard today that they have been making approaches to some parties complaining about the process this House has adopted but they have not wanted to express their concerns to other parties. 
Suffice to say this bill will certainly give more clarity and dare I say it more authority to the Minister of Fisheries. If I had a personal concern it is that it may become the norm rather than the exception for the Minister to exercise his or her prerogative to issue or not to issue a particular quota for a particular species irrespective of there not being sufficient evidence or documentation to prove that that species is under threat. New Zealand First supports the second reading of this bill. Kia ora.  
Bill read a second time.