Katene Rahui: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume 
Katene Rahui: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Sitting date: 24 November 2009. Volume:659;Page:7893. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
7.  
RAHUI KATENE (Maori Party—Te Tai Tonga) 
 to the  
Minister for Climate Change Issues 
: Does he agree with the Maori Party that the revised ETS has a focus on whenua and increasing environmental sustainability; and how will the intention to provide better protection for the environment be realised? 
Hon Dr NICK SMITH (Minister for Climate Change Issues) 
: 
 Yes. The revised scheme and changes negotiated by the Maori Party address both the issue of costs to low-income families and the importance of Papatuanuku or the natural environment. It also makes significant new commitments around the protection of the environment on which I am looking forward to working with the Maori Party. 
Rahui Katene 
: How will Enviroschools or Kura Taiao contribute to the goal of enhancing environmental outcomes consistent with the kaitiakitanga our people are responsible for discharging over their whenua? 
Hon Dr NICK SMITH 
: It is true that the Maori Party has brought to the negotiations the issue of Enviroschools. The Government has had concerns about the effectiveness of that programme so we have agreed to extend funding for 6 months and then to work on refocusing Enviroschools to make sure it is practically effective. I am looking forward to working with the Maori Party on doing just that. 
Rahui Katene 
: What commitment is there to support further environmental restoration initiatives in partnership with iwi? 
Hon Dr NICK SMITH 
: There are a number of measures across the 12 specific agreements with the Maori Party. They include a very important national policy statement on biodiversity. They also involve work on afforestation. I think the Maori Party made the very good point that the planting of indigenous trees in many areas of New Zealand is one of the lowest-cost ways that New Zealand can both improve the environment and reduce our greenhouse gas emissions. 
Charles Chauvel 
: Has the Minister seen Brian Fallow’s conclusion that his Government’s changes to the emissions trading scheme weaken the incentive to reduce emissions in those sectors responsible for the lion’s share of them and pretty much guarantee that the peak in emissions will be higher; if he has how does enabling increased emissions provide for increased environmental sustainability or provide better environmental protection? 
Hon Dr NICK SMITH 
: I agree with Brian Fallow on this point: the greater the cost of carbon and the more broadly that it is based over the economy the more there will be a reduction in emissions. I note that over the first 10 years of the scheme the costs are the same as under the Labour scheme—actually slightly more under the National scheme. That is why I draw the conclusion that the emissions reductions that we can achieve under this scheme over the first 10 years are very similar to those under Labour’s scheme. Beyond the 10 years the key issue is the phase-out rate. That is regularly reviewed. We have chosen a 1.3 percent rate which is the same as Australia’s. Members opposite want to argue for 8 percent. That would be a very big cost for industry and would risk simply exporting our industries offshore.