Simmonds PennyPENNY SIMMONDS (National—Invercargill): Thank you Madam Speaker. Well here we are again debating things with little to do with education without hitting the real issues in the education sectors but however we'll have another go at it. So we've touched on the Ngārimu VC and 28th (Māori) Battalion Scholarship Fund and the Pacific Education Foundation Act. The amendments to the Health and Safety at Work (General Risk and Workplace Management) Regulations seems to be a catch-up on what was in the previous bill. But can I just say there are concerns here that regulatory creep occurs and so when the previous speaker Sarah Pallett talked about 20 days the previous legislation that we were looking at considered that perhaps contractors should also be considered for police vetting. Can I assure the previous speaker that if you've got a blocked toilet or if you have got a power issue or if you have got something incredibly serious that you need to get a tradesperson in for you can't wait 20 days. So there needs to be a sense of what is practical also and it worries me that with regulatory creep and some of the monitoring that goes on some of that practical sense of what it takes to run an organisation is lost.I can give an example of that perhaps with the unintended consequences of the regulations around nutrition audits which have to be carried out if you provide food in an early childhood education (ECE) centre. Every one to three years depending on your audit cycle you have to have a nutrition audit which costs about $3000 per centre and that means that food provision is being cut from a whole lot of low-demographic ECE providers. So I hope the Government is very very aware of regulatory creep and what the unintended consequences can be and how in their pursuit of perfect they may well be stopping very good" happening.So the other issue that I think we have to be very mindful of here is that there is nothing addressing the issues for Māori students in the education sector. After five years of Labour the education outcomes for Māori students in the compulsory sector have got worse: 33 percent of Māori students are attending school regularly. At the end of last year 63 percent of Māori students attained NCEA level 2 in 2021—a declining rate from 2017.We see it in the tertiary sector also. Te Pūkenga is failing Māori and Pasifika students. Access for Māori and Pasifika students was less than targeted in 2022. Course completion rates were less then targeted for Māori—ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Jenny Salesa): Order! Order! I'd like member to come back to this particular bill. Yes Māori are mentioned because we are looking at amending the Māori Battalion memorial scholarship fund but that doesn't actually mean that the member can just talk in general about everything Māori so please bring your comments back to this bill.PENNY SIMMONDS: Thank you Madam Speaker. So I'm sure that the Māori Battalion memorial scholarship fund is to assist with more Māori students gaining access and also achieving at a higher rate once they are attending and so—Hon Kelvin Davis: You don't know anything about it. You need to do some homework before you talk about something such as the Ngārimu VC.PENNY SIMMONDS: —it is of real concern—and the member on the other side of the House Kelvin Davis who interrupted me last time wanted to speak about how little respect I had for the wānanga and I had to point out to him that there is probably no tertiary leader that has worked more closely with wānanga in their career than I have and have the utmost respect for wānanga.So I'll come back now to the bill. We are very concerned that this bill makes very very little difference to the key issues that are being faced by our compulsory sector our ECE sector our tertiary sector and specifically nothing in this is going to improve outcomes for Māori or Pasifika students. Thank you. We oppose the bill.ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Jenny Salesa): I call on Angela Roberts but before the member takes her call may I remind everyone that we should be respectful when other members give their speeches. Thank you."