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Roy Eric: Customs and Excise (Tobacco Products—Budget Measures) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: I shall reflect on the matter. I think that in general interjections are to be discouraged and anything that gives the interjector or interjectee—the person doing it—any kind of advantage is to be seriously discouraged.
Lees-Galloway Iain: Customs and Excise (Tobacco Products—Budget Measures) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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IAIN LEES-GALLOWAY (Labour—Palmerston North) 
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 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. This relates to an incident that occurred early in Mr Jones’ speech. I did not want to interrupt his speech so I ask you just to reflect on it. There are a number of Speakers’ rulings relating to interjections but I could not find one that actually relates to the matter of a member standing whilst another member has the call in order to interject in the way that Maggie Barry did during the previous member’s call. The nearest one I can get to is Speakers’ ruling 61/5 which says: “A member may not make interjections while standing or leaving the member’s seat.” although I assume that means getting up and walking around and making interjections. I just wonder whether we could get a ruling from you on the practice of standing in order to make an interjection on a member who has the call.
Barry Maggie: Customs and Excise (Tobacco Products—Budget Measures) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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MAGGIE BARRY (National—North Shore) 
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 I move  
That the question be now put 
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Flavell Te Ururoa: National War Memorial Park (Pukeahu) Empowering Bill — In Committee 
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TE URUROA FLAVELL (Maori Party—Waiariki) 
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 Tena koe Mr Chair me tatau e wananga nei i tenei o nga pire hei whakanui te ahuatanga o te hunga kua haere ki tawahi. Kai te pirangi au ki te whakatakoto i etahi korero mo Te Pati Maori ka mutu mo te Supplementary Order Paper 131 i whakatakotohia ki mua i te aroaro o te Minita i tenei ra. Tuatahi me ki kai te tautoko ake i te hiahia te tumanako kia tu tenei o nga Whare hei tohu mo te hunga i haere ki tawahi kare he raruraru kare he manukanuka mo tera o nga take. Kai te ahua rongo ake i nga awangawanga a wetahi mo te tere o tana haere me te kore whai me ki te huarahi e tika ana engari na runga i te ahuatanga o te kaupapa nei ehara i te mea he nui nga raruraru o tera.
Goldsmith Paul: Customs and Excise (Tobacco Products—Budget Measures) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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PAUL GOLDSMITH (National) 
: 
 I am very happy to take a short call on this Committee stage of the Customs and Excise (Tobacco Products—Budget Measures) Amendment Bill and I am saddened that the Opposition think that members of the Government would be cynical about this in any way. This is a bill that is designed purely and simply to improve the health of New Zealanders by reducing smoking. This Government is committed to reducing smoking harm in this country. This is about increasing tobacco excise taxes by 10 percent as Part 1 of this bill outlines in detail. The increases over the next 4 years which altogether will add up to a very significant additional burden send a very clear message and a strong incentive to smokers in order to encourage them to quit. In the meantime the Government is providing in Budget 2012 $20 million over the next 4 years for the Pathway to Smoke-Free 2025 fund which helps fund programmes to discourage smoking and help smokers quit. I think that what we are hearing from the other side is— 
Scott Simpson 
: Claptrap. 
PAUL GOLDSMITH 
: —claptrap. It is time that we focus on some of the details. So I will be looking forward to some other speeches that focus more on the details of Part 1 coming forward. Thanks.
Williams Andrew: National War Memorial Park (Pukeahu) Empowering Bill — In Committee 
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ANDREW WILLIAMS (NZ First) 
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 I will take just a brief call on the National War Memorial Park (Pukeahu) Empowering Bill as we are only 5 minutes away from the dinner break. I spoke in the House on this bill yesterday and on the merits of this park and certainly New Zealand First is very supportive of this as the National War Memorial Park. However today I would like to bring to the attention of the House an aspect that we also must not forget and that is the welfare and the interests of our veterans. 
It is all very well as a nation spending $12 million on this park and it is a wonderful thing that we are doing to commemorate the many hundreds of thousands who have given of their lives for this country over the last century but we still have a lot of veterans alive today in this country who are suffering and are in need of care from the State. Many are suffering from all sorts of ailments as a result of their service to the country and in many cases they are in a perilous state. Many are getting very very aged and frail. So although it is wonderful that the veterans are supportive and are very appreciative of the fact that this war memorial park is an honour to them in respect of the living and of those who have fallen on behalf of our country I think it is also important at this time that we remember that we still have a duty of care to the many many veterans who are still with us today. There are both old and young veterans who are in various states of ill health and have problems that are as a result of having gone overseas on behalf of their country fighting in various theatres of war and who now as a result have medical problems ailments and the like as do their family members as well. 
If I could say just one thing it is that I hope all parties in this Chamber can also remember that we should not just be building monuments and parks; we should also be very much remembering those who are here today. I think that would be an even greater honour to those who have fallen. Those who have fallen would always want to ensure that their friends and comrades who are still living but suffering as a result are taken care of by this country. I implore and say to the Minister and the Government that although there was a war pensions review 2 years ago by the Law Commission there is still a lot of outstanding work to be done on that for the War Pensions Act review and there is a lot of work to be done in terms of veterans’ affairs. I just hope that between all of us in this House all MPs we can get around this and get in behind what is a physical stone structure and also a green park but at the same time put a lot of emphasis— 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch) 
: I am sorry to interrupt the honourable member. The time has come for me to leave the Chair for the dinner break. 
Sitting suspended from 6 p.m. to 7.30 p.m.
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The third point is that I have been in contact with the Port Nicholson Settlement Trust and Wellington Tenths Trust on behalf of our party. Despite the problems among them namely the Port Nicholson Trust part—but we will leave that situation there. At the end of it all these two entities have endorsed the move by the Maori Party to include references to the Treaty of Waitangi in this bill to ensure local tribes’ involvement. It is not as though the Supplementary Order Paper is a huge one; it is quite a small one really. There are only a few words involved however the depth and significance of these words are immense. We have seen these words in other bills but in the end what is its first priority? In the first instance it is to magnify the Treaty of Waitangi in the laws of the country and to authenticate it. Secondly it is to satisfy the wishes of local tribes and Maoridom to participate in discussions and arrangements let us say in the first instance about this place and this House of Pukeahua.
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The main reason for rising to take the call was to put forth our position on the Supplementary Order Paper and to have a new 3A section created for it. What would it be for? To have a statement about the Treaty of Waitangi included in it. The wording will go like this: “All persons exercising functions and powers under this Act must take into account the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi (Te Tiriti o Waitangi)”. This makes it consistent with the actual wording in the Resource Management Act 1991. In fact it was taken directly from that section of the Resource Management Act to include here. Therefore there is no conflict in the wording—none. They are the exact words in the Resource Management Act and this one of the Acts.
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No reira koi nei te whanui te wharoa o te Supplementary Order Paper me te tumanako ia ka tautoko mai nga taha o te Whare i tenei o nga huarahi. Ehara i te mea he uaua he mama noa iho tona putake engari ina ke nga whainga ka puta mena ka tapirihia atu tenei Supplementary Order Paper ki te whanuitanga o tenei pire. Koi nei te inoi atu ki te Whare kia ata aro mai ki tenei o nga kaupapa ka mutu ki te Minita tonu tera pea ka whai wahi a ia ki te tautoko i tenei o nga wahanga. No reira huri noa kia ora tatau. 
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Greetings Mr Chair and to us debating this bill that honours those who went overseas. I want to outline some views that the Maori Party has on this bill and about the Supplementary Order Paper 131 that was submitted to the Minister for Arts Culture and Heritage today. Firstly we support the wishes and hopes of the House on the parliamentary complex that this stand as a memorial shall we say for those who fought and fell overseas. We have no problems or concerns with that issue. We are hearing concerns from some about how fast the bill is moving and not shall we say following due process but it is not as though there are many problems with that.
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Ka toru naku i whakapa atu matou ki te Port Nicholson Settlement Trust me te Wellington Tenths Trust ahakoa kai raro ratou tetahi wahanga me ki o te Port Nicholson Trust i te raruraru hoi ano waiho tera ki te taha. I tona mutunga mai kua ki mai nga ropu e rua nei ara nga runanga me ki e rua nei kia tautoko Te Pati Maori i tenei huarahi ara te whakatakoto i etahi kupu tautoko ko te noho a nga iwi kainga ki roto i nga nekeneke o tenei pire. Ehara i te mea he nui te Supplementary Order Paper he pakupaku noa iho. He ruarua noa iho nga kupu engari ko tona tuturutanga ina ke te nui o te ahuatanga o nga kupu nei. Kua kite atu tatou i tenei rarangi korero i roto i wetahi atu pire a ka mutu he aha tona putake tuatahi? He whakanui i te ahuatanga o Te Tiriti o Waitangi i roto i nga ture o te motu ka tahi i tona tuturutanga ko tera o nga hiahia o nga mana whenua o nga iwi Maori kia whai wahi i roto i nga korero i roto i nga whakahaere i roto i nga whakaritenga e pa ana me ki i tenei wa tonu nei ki tenei o nga wahi ki tenei o nga Whare ki Pukeahua ka rua.
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He aha te take o tera? Me ki kia whai wahi te ao Maori i roto i nga nekeneke whakahaere me ki o tenei o nga kaupapa. Kua tae mai wetahi korero me ki o te hunga kainga o te mana whenua o tenei kainga tenei ta Grant Robertson e korero nei kai te hiahia ratou ki te whai wahi i roto i nga korero e pa ana ki te wahi nei; ka tahi. Ka rua e hia ke nei nga momo iwi nga iwi kaua ko te tangata whenua engari ko nga iwi kua eke mai ki roto o Te Whanga-nui-a-Tara. Kai te pirangi ratou kia whai wahi i roto i tenei o nga kaupapa ano hoki. No reira ma tenei o nga kupu korero ka whai wahi tuatahi ko te mana whenua tuarua me ki ko nga iwi kua haere mai ki te Whare i Te Whanga-nui-a-Tara.
Lees-Galloway Iain: National War Memorial Park (Pukeahu) Empowering Bill — In Committee 
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Lees-Galloway Iain: National War Memorial Park (Pukeahu) Empowering Bill — In Committee 
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IAIN LEES-GALLOWAY (Labour—Palmerston North) 
: 
 I just want to add a short contribution to what I said before that brief interruption. I just wanted to finally say that for the local community it is really important that we follow good process as closely as possible and it has been discussed by a number of members that the process around this bill is not ideal but has become necessary due to various circumstances which have been well rehearsed. 
I just want to say that through engagement from Opposition parties and support of the Government and assistance to the Government we have been able to strengthen the process and to ensure that those Orders in Council are perhaps the least desirable process by which the Government will progress the matter of the Memorial Park and the construction work that has to go on around it. The introduction of the review panel meeting more regularly the extended consideration of Orders in Council in the event that those are required and the explicit reference in the legislation to make it clear that Orders in Council are the very last resort those things possibly may have been introduced by the Government without support from the Opposition but they were ideas that were generated by the Opposition and I think they are in the bill because of the constructive way in which parties across the House have worked together to build the most robust and sensible process in legislation around this that is possible. That is one of the valuable parts of Opposition parties engaging in a constructive way around legislation like this. 
Just in closing it is pleasing to see that this legislation will be progressed. It will certainly make the veteran community very happy. I am sure it will make all New Zealanders very happy to see that the Memorial Park will be built in time for that centenary of the Anzac Day landings.
Tisch Lindsay: Amended Answers to Oral Questions — Question No. 10 to Minister 
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Tisch Lindsay: Amended Answers to Oral Questions — Question No. 10 to Minister 
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The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Thank you. Is the House happy with that? Thank you. We are not putting a motion. You have seen what I have done and if you are happy with that that is how it is. We are moving into Committee.
Tisch Lindsay: National War Memorial Park (Pukeahu) Empowering Bill — In Committee 
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Tisch Lindsay: National War Memorial Park (Pukeahu) Empowering Bill — In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Thank you. Can I have a temporary Chairman? I will ask Phil Twyford to take over. There is just a process here members. We have to go back into the House. 
Hon Trevor Mallard 
: Are you going to put the motion? 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: I will put the motion. The motion is that we report progress. 
Progress reported. 
Report adopted. 
House resumed.
Mallard Trevor: National War Memorial Park (Pukeahu) Empowering Bill — In Committee 
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Mallard Trevor: National War Memorial Park (Pukeahu) Empowering Bill — In Committee 
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Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I move  
That the Committee report progress.
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Ko te tino putake o taku tu he korero mo te wahi ki a matou mo te Supplementary Order Paper ara kia hangaia tetahi wahanga hou ko tera wahanga ko te 3A. He aha tona putake? He whakauru korero e pa ana ki te Tiriti o Waitangi. Ko te tikanga o nga korero e penei ana: “All persons exercising functions and powers under this Act must take into account the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi (Te Tiriti o Waitangi)”. Me ki kei te whai tenei wahanga o te ture i enei kupu korero tonu i era i roto i te Resource Management Act 1991. Me ki i tangohia mai ai tera wahanga o te Resource Management Act ka metia atu ki tenei pire no reira ehara i te mea kai te noho taupatupatu nga kupu. Kao. E orite ana nga korero e rite tonu ana nga korero o roto i te Resource Management Act me tenei o nga kaupapa.
Finlayson Christopher: National War Memorial Park (Pukeahu) Empowering Bill — In Committee 
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Finlayson Christopher: National War Memorial Park (Pukeahu) Empowering Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 26 September 2012. Volume:684;Page:5696. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON (Minister for Arts Culture and Heritage) 
: 
 There is only one brief call I want to take. It concerns a question as to whether or not this bill the National War Memorial Park (Pukeahu) Empowering Bill requires a Treaty clause and I think Mr Flavell is interested in the proposal. This is an empowering bill dealing with a whole lot of mechanistic matters and I just do not think that the Treaty is engaged. Certainly at some stage I am interested in looking at the war memorial council bill which will have a number of responsibilities over and above this park. That bill probably appropriately needs a Treaty clause in it but certainly not one dealing with the mechanisms required to enable this park to be completed by Anzac Day 2015.
Finlayson Christopher: National War Memorial Park (Pukeahu) Empowering Bill — In Committee 
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Finlayson Christopher: National War Memorial Park (Pukeahu) Empowering Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 26 September 2012. Volume:684;Page:5696. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON (Minister for Arts Culture and Heritage) 
: 
 I seek leave for all the parts of this bill to be taken as one question.
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Why is that? Let us say so that Maoridom can participate in the mechanisms of this one of the Acts. Word has come to me from locals from local tribes like what Grant Robertson states that they want to participate in the consultations relating to this place; that is the first one. The second is that there are several other ethnic groups and tribes quite apart from the home people who have settled in Wellington over the years. They too would like an opportunity to participate in this Act as well. Therefore it is by this statement that the local tribe and other tribes or ethnic groups who have come to the House in Wellington be able to participate.
Heatley Phil: Crown Minerals (Permitting and Crown Land) Bill — First Reading 
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Heatley Phil: Crown Minerals (Permitting and Crown Land) Bill — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 26 September 2012. Volume:684;Page:5695. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon PHIL HEATLEY (Minister of Energy and Resources) 
: 
 I move  
That the Crown Minerals (Permitting and Crown Land) Bill be reported to the House by 30 January 2013. 
Motion agreed to.
Ngaro Alfred: Crown Minerals (Permitting and Crown Land) Bill — First Reading 
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Ngaro Alfred: Crown Minerals (Permitting and Crown Land) Bill — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 26 September 2012. Volume:684;Page:5695. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
ALFRED NGARO (National) 
: 
 I am privileged to take the final call on the first reading of this Crown Minerals (Permitting and Crown Land) Bill. Roughly 2½ months ago I was fortunate to be up in Northland. I was attending the Northland economic summit there. My honourable colleague the MP for Northland Mike Sabin had organised an economic summit where over 250 people from the community in the business sector the iwi and the local community were present. There in the afternoon we had an opportunity to hear from Minister Heatley and he began to talk about the opportunities of this Government and it was in line with the Crown Minerals (Permitting and Crown Land) Bill. He talked about the opportunities for business growth and the agenda of this Government. In particular he also talked about the Taranaki example: that mineral exploration boosts the economy and creates jobs and that mineral exploration also contributed $2 billion to the Taranaki community. He talked about improved regulation to encourage responsible exploration. This is a great bill. I commend this bill to the House.
Key John: Amended Answers to Oral Questions — Question No. 10 to Minister 
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Key John: Amended Answers to Oral Questions — Question No. 10 to Minister 
[Sitting date: 26 September 2012. Volume:684;Page:5700. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Rt Hon JOHN KEY (Prime Minister) 
: 
 I seek leave to make a personal explanation to correct an answer I gave to a supplementary question asked during question time today. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Leave is sought for that purpose. Is there any objection? There is no objection. 
Rt Hon JOHN KEY 
: Firstly can I just thank members for accommodating me. During question No. 10 today I was asked a supplementary question about when my chief of staff was informed about the Deputy Prime Minister’s signing of a ministerial certificate relating to the operations of the Government Communications Security Bureau. I mistakenly thought the member asking the question was asking about when we first were aware of the Government Communications Security Bureau involvement rather than the signing of the ministerial certificate. The answer to the member’s question is in fact Monday 24 September which is when I was first advised. I should also clarify that the ministerial certificate was dated 16 August 2012 when in fact the meeting at which the certificate was signed was actually held on 17 August. That will probably clear up the member’s confusion in that regard.
Tisch Lindsay: Crown Minerals (Permitting and Crown Land) Bill — First Reading 
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Tisch Lindsay: Crown Minerals (Permitting and Crown Land) Bill — First Reading 
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The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch) 
: I will ring the bell at 4 minutes.
Tisch Lindsay: Crown Minerals (Permitting and Crown Land) Bill — First Reading 
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Tisch Lindsay: Crown Minerals (Permitting and Crown Land) Bill — First Reading 
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The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch) 
: I understand that the next call is a split call. I will ring the bell at 4 minutes.
Bakshi Kanwaljit Singh: Crown Minerals (Permitting and Crown Land) Bill — First Reading 
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Bakshi Kanwaljit Singh: Crown Minerals (Permitting and Crown Land) Bill — First Reading 
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KANWALJIT SINGH BAKSHI (National) 
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 Sat sri akaal Mr Speaker. Thank you for the opportunity to speak on the first reading of the Crown Minerals (Permitting and Crown Land) Bill. Every time the Green members stand up in this House they keep complaining about what the Government is doing for job creation and the growth of the economy and whenever the Government tries to do something they will again stand up and object to it.
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So that is the extent and long-standing nature of this Supplementary Order Paper. The hope is that all sides of the House support it. It is not as though it is a difficult thing to consider; furthermore there are numerous benefits that would accrue should this Supplementary Order Paper be added to the broader part of this bill. This then is the plea to the House that it really take due note of this bill and finally to the Minister that he finds favour with this of the provisions. So to us throughout thank you. 
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I would like to congratulate the Minister of Energy and Resources the Hon Phil Heatley on bringing in this bill which will help to create jobs and grow the economy. I commend this bill to the House.
Mitchell Mark: Crown Minerals (Permitting and Crown Land) Bill — First Reading 
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Mitchell Mark: Crown Minerals (Permitting and Crown Land) Bill — First Reading 
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MARK MITCHELL (National—Rodney) 
: 
 It is a pleasure to take a call on the Crown Minerals (Permitting and Crown Land) Bill. I would just like to say that New Zealand’s economy is a small economy and this sector already makes a significant contribution. However it could make a greater contribution. 
The general debate today was about jobs. We often talk about Kiwis having to leave New Zealand to pursue jobs in the mining sector in Australia. Well we actually have an opportunity to continue to grow this sector and provide more jobs for Kiwis back in New Zealand. Growing this important sector and looking after our environment are not exclusive of one another. 
I look forward to receiving this bill at the Commerce Committee. I commend this bill to the select committee. Thank you.
Roy Eric: National War Memorial Park (Pukeahu) Empowering Bill — In Committee 
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Roy Eric: National War Memorial Park (Pukeahu) Empowering Bill — In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: Leave is sought for that purpose. Is there anyone opposed to that course of action? There is none.
Vote: Customs and Excise (Tobacco Products—Budget Measures) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Customs and Excise (Tobacco Products—Budget Measures) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 71 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 49 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; Mana 1. 
Motion agreed to. 
Part 1 agreed to.
Vote: Customs and Excise (Tobacco Products—Budget Measures) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Customs and Excise (Tobacco Products—Budget Measures) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 63 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Mana 1. 
Motion agreed to. 
Part 2 agreed to.
Vote: Customs and Excise (Tobacco Products—Budget Measures) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Customs and Excise (Tobacco Products—Budget Measures) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That clause 2 be agreed to. 
Ayes 112 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; Maori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; Mana 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 8 
New Zealand First 8. 
Clause 2 agreed to. 
Clause 3 agreed to.
Ross Jami-Lee: Crown Minerals (Permitting and Crown Land) Bill — First Reading 
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JAMI-LEE ROSS (National—Botany) 
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 The Crown Minerals (Permitting and Crown Land) Bill is an important bill to help progress the Government’s Business Growth Agenda and the Petroleum Action Plan which is about encouraging the development of Crown-owned minerals and helping to unlock the economic opportunity for New Zealand through Crown-owned minerals. By streamlining and simplifying permitting regimes making it easier to access these minerals we help to further progress economic growth. 
We know that the energy and resources sector is very important to this country. Oil is our fourth-largest export with approximately $3.5 billion of exports going through that sector. It also employs a lot of people and it is important to make it easier for opportunities to be explored and for further employment to happen through this sector. 
If there is a perfect example of an opportunity that is being held up through a regulatory mechanism it is the Bathurst Resources project which would see 225 people gain employment. Many of those people have just lost jobs and would benefit significantly if a particular project was to be expedited through a regulatory regime. 
It is appropriate that through this bill we re-examine the regulatory regime and make it easier to simplify and progress important projects that have huge economic potential for the country. I endorse the bill and look forward to it coming back from the Commerce Committee in due course.
Vote: Crown Minerals (Permitting and Crown Land) Bill — First Reading 
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Vote: Crown Minerals (Permitting and Crown Land) Bill — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 26 September 2012. Volume:684;Page:5695. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Crown Minerals (Permitting and Crown Land) Bill be now read a first time 
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Ayes 103 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 34; New Zealand First 8; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 17 
Green Party 14; Maori Party 2; Mana 1. 
Bill read a first time. 
Bill referred to the Commerce Committee.
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2. 
ANDREW WILLIAMS (NZ First) 
 to the  
Member in charge of the Reserve Bank of New Zealand (Amending Primary Function of Bank) Amendment Bill 
: Is the Reserve Bank of New Zealand (Amending Primary Function of Bank) Amendment Bill “populist garbage”? 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Member in charge of the Reserve Bank of New Zealand (Amending Primary Function of Bank) Amendment Bill) 
:  
Of course not. The honourable member who dismissed the Reserve Bank of New Zealand bill that we are talking about as populist garbage has portrayed his remarkable ignorance of New Zealand’s prevailing economic conditions and the issues that our bill is designed to address. On our side are for example the Federal Reserve the Bank of England the European Central Bank and a whole lot of other Governments that have made these substantial changes we advocate. And after 24 years of doing nothing it is well time to act. But of course that is the kind of response you will get from someone who arranged a radio licence deferral— 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Order! Order! That has nothing to do with the question asked whatsoever.
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1. 
ANDREW WILLIAMS (NZ First) 
to the  
Member in charge of the Reserve Bank of New Zealand (Amending Primary Function of Bank) Amendment Bill 
: What will the Reserve Bank of New Zealand (Amending Primary Function of Bank) Amendment Bill enable the Reserve Bank to do to address the overvalued dollar? 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Member in charge of the Reserve Bank of New Zealand (Amending Primary Function of Bank) Amendment Bill) 
: 
 Our bill would enable the Reserve Bank to use a range of tools to address the problem of an overvalued exchange rate. The most direct way of course is by intervention. The last time the bank used its powers to intervene was in 2007 when the dollar reached US80c. The bank intervened the dollar came down and the bank made a profit of $411 million. However the bank would have to also make better use of supplementary stabilisation instruments such as for example reserve ratios or mortgage interest levies and other counter-inflationary measures intended to take pressure off the overvalued exchange rate. 
Andrew Williams 
: Is the Reserve Bank of New Zealand (Amending Primary Function of Bank) Amendment Bill “populist garbage”? 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Order! Order! Order! I apologise to the Rt Hon Winston Peters. I had actually called the member for a supplementary question but just so that everyone knows what has happened he has chosen to go to question No. 2. So we are now doing question No. 2.
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Mr SPEAKER 
: Order! I have invited the member to start his question again. He does not need to waste the time of the House.
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The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch) 
: I declare the House in Committee for consideration of the National War Memorial (Pukeahu) Empowering Bill the Customs and Excise (Tobacco Products—Budget Measures) Amendment Bill for further consideration of the Taxation (Annual Rates Returns Filing and Remedial Matters) Bill and for consideration of the Legislation Bill.
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3. 
BARBARA STEWART (NZ First) 
 to the  
Member in charge of the Reserve Bank of New Zealand (Amending Primary Function of Bank) Amendment Bill 
: What is the importance of the Reserve Bank of New Zealand (Amending Primary Function of Bank) Amendment Bill to New Zealand exporters? 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Member in charge of the Reserve Bank of New Zealand (Amending Primary Function of Bank) Amendment Bill) 
: 
 It is beginning to look like it is the only hope that they have currently got. For us to be internationally competitive the critical thing is the level of the dollar. Exporters have been struggling with a chronically overvalued exchange rate for years. You have got closures you have got cutbacks you have got all sorts of people losing their jobs you have got relocations offshore and you have got 54000 now leaving every year because we have failed to act in the national interest of an export-dependent economy. I hope before 17 October enough of rural New Zealand will have persuaded these recalcitrants to do their duty by their country.
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ANDREW WILLIAMS (NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I actually deliberately stopped and I was hoping to gain your attention—
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 59 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 2; Mana 1. 
Noes 61 
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
Part 1 agreed to. 
Part 2 agreed to. 
Schedule 1 agreed to. 
Schedule 2 agreed to. 
Schedule 3 agreed to. 
Schedule 4 agreed to. 
Schedule 6 agreed to. 
Schedule 7 agreed to. 
Schedule 8 agreed to. 
Schedule 9 agreed to. 
Schedule 10 agreed to. 
Clause 1 agreed to. 
Clause 2 agreed to. 
Bill to be reported without amendment presently.
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Mr SPEAKER 
: Order! Order! Order! The National backbench will come to order. I think the right honourable gentleman has a legitimate grievance. It was difficult to hear because of the level of noise and I do not think that is necessary at least on this first question. Andrew Williams may start his question again—question No. 1.
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Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I have just had a procedural hiccup but I seek the leave of the House notwithstanding the earlier approach for us to do exactly what you have asked.
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Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. There was such a barrage over here that I could not hear—[ 
Interruption 
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8. 
MIKE SABIN (National—Northland) 
 to the  
Minister for Social Development 
: What difference do social workers make in protecting our most vulnerable children from abuse and neglect? 
Hon PAULA BENNETT (Minister for Social Development) 
: 
 Around 1300 Child Youth and Family social workers deal with more than 400 notifications of abuse and neglect every day in New Zealand. Social workers often bear the brunt of criticism when things go wrong but the fact is they do the job because they care and every day they do the best they can to protect New Zealand. Ultimately they save children’s lives. Today is National Social Workers Day and I think it is our chance to thank them for the job they do on behalf of our children and most vulnerable families. 
Mike Sabin 
: How is the Government supporting more services to families who might benefit from working with a social worker? 
Hon PAULA BENNETT 
: As I have said we know that social workers can and do make a difference with our families and particularly those who are most vulnerable. That is why this Government has provided extra funding to increase the number of front-line social workers. There will be 80 new front-line social workers with 16 new supervisors and more than half of that number are already at work now. We have also announced an extra 149 full-time social workers in our low-decile schools. Most of them are on board working and making a difference. 
Mike Sabin 
: What have been some of the recent data trends of New Zealand’s child abuse statistics? 
Hon PAULA BENNETT 
: It has been quite interesting. In the most recent Child Youth and Family figures we have seen the first drop in substantiated cases of abuse for at least the last 8 years—granted by only 4 percent in findings of substantiated abuse. However notifications have gone up—those that required further action—so follow-up went up but actual substantiated cases have gone down. I think it is too soon to tell whether that will continue whether it is a trend but it would be fair to say that it is if nothing else encouraging. Also Child Youth and Family met or exceeded 97 percent of its targets in the year 2011-12 including notification response compared with in 2005-06 where it was meeting only about 42 percent. So I mean it has doubled its response time and we are seeing fewer substantiated cases of abuse.
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5. 
IAN McKELVIE (National—Rangitikei) 
 to the  
Minister of Justice 
: What steps is the Government taking to reduce the stress on victims caused by unnecessary parole hearings? 
Hon JUDITH COLLINS (Minister of Justice) 
: 
 I have today introduced legislation to implement the Government’s post-election action plan to reduce the number of unnecessary parole hearings where the offender has little prospect of release. This will help to reduce the stress caused to victims by having to attend unnecessary parole hearings and relive their traumatic experiences when the offender is not genuinely ready for parole. It is estimated that these changes will mean 800 fewer parole hearings each year. 
Ian McKelvie 
: How will the changes to the parole regime operate? 
Hon JUDITH COLLINS 
: The Parole Amendment Bill increases the time between parole hearings from once every year to once every 2 years and for those serving indeterminate sentences or sentences of 10 or more years the maximum time between parole hearings increases from 3 years to 5 years. Inmates will be encouraged to comply with offender plans which will have agreed goals that aim to reduce the likelihood of future offending. Hearing dates will be aligned with the completion of milestones. Early hearings can be held for offenders who achieve early completion of goals.
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Mr SPEAKER 
: Honourable members I have much pleasure in informing the House that the Joint Committee on the National Broadband Network Committee from the Parliament of Australia led by the Chair Robert Oakeshott is present in the gallery. I am sure that members would wish that the delegation be welcomed.
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Question No. 10 to Minister 
Rt Hon JOHN KEY (Prime Minister) 
: 
 I seek leave to make a personal explanation to correct an answer I gave to a supplementary question asked during question time today. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Leave is sought for that purpose. Is there any objection? There is no objection. 
Rt Hon JOHN KEY 
: Firstly can I just thank members for accommodating me. During question No. 10 today I was asked a supplementary question about when my chief of staff was informed about the Deputy Prime Minister’s signing of a ministerial certificate relating to the operations of the Government Communications Security Bureau. I mistakenly thought the member asking the question was asking about when we first were aware of the Government Communications Security Bureau involvement rather than the signing of the ministerial certificate. The answer to the member’s question is in fact Monday 24 September which is when I was first advised. I should also clarify that the ministerial certificate was dated 16 August 2012 when in fact the meeting at which the certificate was signed was actually held on 17 August. That will probably clear up the member’s confusion in that regard. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch) 
: I declare the House in Committee for consideration of the National War Memorial (Pukeahu) Empowering Bill the Customs and Excise (Tobacco Products—Budget Measures) Amendment Bill for further consideration of the Taxation (Annual Rates Returns Filing and Remedial Matters) Bill and for consideration of the Legislation Bill. 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I have just had a procedural hiccup but I seek the leave of the House notwithstanding the earlier approach for us to do exactly what you have asked. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Thank you. Is the House happy with that? Thank you. We are not putting a motion. You have seen what I have done and if you are happy with that that is how it is. We are moving into Committee.