Ngaro Alfred: Christian Churches New Zealand Property Trust Board Empowering Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeNgaro Alfred: Christian Churches New Zealand Property Trust Board Empowering Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 16 March 2016. Volume:712;Page:9822. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]ALFRED NGARO (National): I did hear a comment from Mr Robertson that he is losing the will to live and it is appropriate that this bill is actually talking about the Christian Churches. Mr Robertson help is on its way and if you do need a defibrillator the power of prayer from these Christian Churches may be of some help to you in your time of need so do not lose the will to live. Listen on and I am sure that these speeches will help.Returning back to Part 2 of the Christian Churches New Zealand Property Trust Board Empowering Bill which deals with “Transfer of property rights and obligations from old board to new board” I refer back to the submission that was brought by the board by Mr Baigent and Viesturs Altments who is the secretary of the old board. In its wisdom what the board has also seen fit to do in anticipation of the change in this legislation is ensure that a new trust deed has already been formed. A trust deed has already been prepared and agreed to by all the churches as to the purpose powers objectives and other key clauses. So when we talk about clause 5 “Transfer of property rights and obligations” it has been foreseen—the hope is—that there will be unanimous support for this bill and with that there has been some preparation for that as well. In sight of that this trust deed has also been registered under the Charities Act 2005. So when the transfer in clause 5 happens then it will be in line with the Charities Act 2005 and with the Charities Commission on 9 September 2014 under number CC51021 as the Christian Churches New Zealand Property Trust Board.One of the things that has also been important which was on page 4 of the submission was the key points which clause 5 and clause 6 talk about in a sense—the rights of obligation. It has got a transfer process. So in the succession of development from the old board into the new board page 4 of the submission talks about the key points in relation to the transitional provisions of that trust deed which are: “first that the Trust Deed appoints initial Trustees whose sole purpose is to manage the transition from the old legislative regime to the new charitable Trust regime.” Clause 5(1) also talks about this: “On and from the commencement of this Act the property rights and obligations of the old board are vested in the new board.” So it is important that in anticipation they have started to prepare that too.The submission also goes on to talk about the fact that it involves the appointment of the trustees in accordance with the provisions of the trust deed: “The preferred option was for the existing Trust Board to be the first Trustees and then continue on until new appointments are needed in terms of the Trust Deed.” That is provided for in the bill. What that means is that as was spoken about in Part 1 previously regarding using the word “flexibility” this will then allow them to engage with that new trust board which will give them rights and responsibilities to fulfil the obligations around the flexibility for wider forms of outreach of the Church into their selected communities as well.Clause 7 talks about the dissolution of the old board and on the commencement of this bill the old board will be dissolved. As I have talked about in part (b) of the submission page 4 it declares that “At this point in time pending the passage of this legislation the new Trust is a legal entity able to exercise all the powers provided for in the Trust Deed but does not own any assets. These assets are still to be held by the old Trust Board in its role under the Associated Churches of Act until this Bill is passed and the 1929 Act is repealed.” So this provision here is important. The trust itself has prepared for the transactional change that will happen and the transfer of property rights and obligations from the old board into the new board. So that preparation is important.Finalising my contribution to Part 2 part (c) of the submission where it talks about the reconstitution of the trust board as a charitable trust says that “would the new Act legislate the existing Trust Board out of existence and it would then transfer all the property and assets from the old Trust Board to the new Charitable Trust. There is still a process to be undertaken once this Bill is passed in relation to the transfer of the properties and titles to the properties held by the Board. The specific provisions in the Bill provide for that” and will be referred to on presentation of the submission to the Committee. So we see that those provisions in the legislation are important to the transfer of property rights and obligations.