5. State and Social Housing—SupplyPHIL TWYFORD (Labour—Te Atatū) to the Minister responsible for HNZCState and Social Housing—Supply5. PHIL TWYFORD (Labour—Te Atatū) to the Minister responsible for HNZC: How many houses if any will Housing New Zealand complete building in the next 2 years?Hon BILL ENGLISH (Minister responsible for HNZC): Housing New Zealand advises it will have built 801 houses this financial year just ended and 1279 houses in 2017-18. This includes redevelopment of existing Housing New Zealand properties.Grant Robertson: Oh so they're not new ones.Hon BILL ENGLISH: Well redevelopment is new houses; that is a total of 2080 dwellings over 2 years. In addition Housing New Zealand advises it will buy and lease or re-sign a further 720 dwellings over that 2-year period. The member should also understand that other agencies will be producing houses for the market and for social housing: Tāmaki Redevelopment Company Hobsonville Land Co. the Auckland Crown land programme and CHiPs"—that is community housing providers—which are contracted to the Ministry of Social Development. So the houses that Housing New Zealand builds are some but not all of the new housing supply for social housing.Phil Twyford: How many families are living in the under-construction houses that he has been counting as meeting his goal of "building 2000 new homes by December 2015 and 1500 per year thereafter." given that the actual number completed is around half that?Hon BILL ENGLISH: The figures the member is pointing to show the benefit of the special housing areas which are now allowing Housing New Zealand to build up the pipeline. Housing New Zealand has to deal with the same constraints as everyone else with the additional complexity that it must negotiate with each tenant to relocate them before it can do any redevelopment of its brownfield sites. It is pretty clear that it did not meet the target set at the beginning of 2013. It has now geared up considerably to build as we said 2000 houses over the next year or two and other Government agencies will also be contributing to what is going to become a large volume of new housing on Crown land.Phil Twyford: How does he expect the public to have any confidence at all in his building targets when he keeps counting bare land with earthworks under way as a built house?Hon BILL ENGLISH: The member is simply wrong. The member does need to understand that when he and his colleagues run little campaigns in their own suburbs with the communities to make sure all the questions are answered that is fair enough but it does add time to the pipeline of building Housing New Zealand houses. [Interruption] Mr SPEAKER: Order! [Interruption] Order!Phil Twyford: Who does he blame the most for the Government's failure to meet its own modest target for building State houses: the council Housing New Zealand State house tenants local campaigns or his own lack of political will given that he said 2 years ago that if we want less stock there is not much point in building State houses?Hon BILL ENGLISH: The member I think does have an understanding of the constraints particularly on larger-scale redevelopment. All of those factors that the member has mentioned mean that it takes a number of years to build up the pipeline and the member can be reassured that the pipeline is building up contributed to by Housing New Zealand the Crown land programme Hobsonville Land Co. and Tāmaki redevelopment. The member is welcome to go and look at each of those to see just how the progress is coming along on completed houses.Phil Twyford: Does he find it any wonder that there are so many families and children living in cars and on the streets when the amount of State housing declines every year under his watch?Hon BILL ENGLISH: The member is incorrect about that. The number of State houses and social houses in Auckland is growing quite rapidly. I look forward to the member supporting the Government's effort to make sure that the Auckland Unitary Plan which is going to be delivered in a month or so will enable sufficient supply of houses. Twenty years of misdirected planning in Auckland has had the biggest impact on low and middle-income households who find themselves excluded from a market where the council spent 20 years trying to stop the city growing. We are working with them to change that."