Logie JanJAN LOGIE (Green): Thank you Mr Speaker. I rise to take a call on behalf of the Green Party on the Crimes (Child Exploitation Offences) Amendment Bill in the name of Ginny Andersen. I want to congratulate her for bringing another I would say very valuable piece of legislation to this House and I say that with a little bit of envy in terms of your luck of getting these bills pulled.But this is a really important conversation. It's about the safety of our children at the heart of it. I'm very pleased that this Parliament is getting to spend time on that conversation. We know that Governments have previously been pretty slow to respond to digital harm in particular including online identity theft revenge porn online hate speech racism or extremism. We're slow to catch up. The legislation feels as if there are many moving parts in terms of protections. So this piece of legislation is discrete it is fixing a small part of it and I look forward to the conversation in the select committee looking at how that fits in the whole picture and exploring the detail of it.So at the heart of this it's about addressing online grooming. There's been a bit of discussion and a great speech from Ginny Andersen in introducing it. But I think it bears repeating that grooming really is when an adult tries to build a relationship with a young person so that they can sexually exploit them in some way. Doesn't always have to be physical sometimes it is actually just that act of trying to get the nude or almost-nude photo or provocative position from a child that can be used in terms of images or videos in ways that there cannot be consent because of the age of the young person who I will call for the purposes of this discussion a child because legally that is what we're talking about.Quite often when we picture the idea of grooming I know I have a certain image that comes into my head of a person that's kind of got—no disrespect to anybody in this House but the image that comes to my head is kind of sparse grey hair a certain type—Hon Member: Oh Stuart! She singled you out!JAN LOGIE: No disrespect. It's just like there's an image but the problem—and my point is that that's not the reality of people who engage in grooming. In actual fact quite often the people who are engaging in grooming behaviour are not that much older than the children that they are targeting yet they are still taking advantage of a younger person. Netsafe gets a lot of complaints from young people seeking help for this issue—and I've just seen a member of the House put his hand over his hair and I just want to apologise for what my comments may have provoked. For any member in this House who feels that that was a description of them it was not meant to be.The current law criminalises grooming at the point where an offender arranges to meet a child with the intention of having sexual activity whether or not the intended abuse occurs. This bill will update these offences to cover digital harm and grooming at the point where the offender arranges or meets up with the young person following online communications. There's specific details in the bill that I won't go into but at the select committee we're pleased to be able to interrogate.I do want to raise the concern around the increased penalties that do come with the bill around imprisonment from seven to 10 years because actually our system at the moment at the heart we want people who cause sexual harm—we want early intervention before harm occurs and we want rehabilitation. There's only a very very tiny number of people who are not able to be rehabilitated. If we talk to the experts they tell us it's a tiny group and we want to make sure that they're held and protected; the rest we want to get help and sadly our criminal justice system doesn't really provide that rehabilitation at the moment and actually it can cause more harm by isolating and marginalising people actually undermining their positive attachments. So I really do think that that is a part of the bill that we would like to look at to ensure that it's as strength-based as possible in protecting our kids.