4. Question No. 4—JusticeHon PAUL GOLDSMITH (National) to the Minister of JusticeQuestion No. 4—Justice4. Hon PAUL GOLDSMITH (National) to the Minister of Justice: Does she stand by all her statements and policies?Hon KIRITAPU ALLAN (Minister of Justice) (remote): Mr Speaker? Yes in particular I stand by the—DEPUTY SPEAKER: Oh sorry. I didn't realise you were on Zoom. Sorry about that. The Hon Kiritapu Allan.Hon KIRITAPU ALLAN: Yes. in particular I stand by the package of measures Minister Hipkins and I announced on 13 July to help reduce the harm caused by gangs and make communities safer which included a targeted new warrant and additional search powers to find and seize weapons from gang members during a gang conflict; expanding the range of offences where police can seize and impound cars motorbikes and other vehicles; a new offence of discharging a gun with intent to intimidate; the ability for police and other enforcement agencies to seize cash over $10000 when found in suspicious circumstances; and the expansion of the list of high-value goods prohibited for sale for cash over a specified value to include watches jewellery precious metals and stones motor vehicles and boats.Hon Paul Goldsmith: Does her statement on Tuesday that it's not contradictory to believe equal voting rights are critically fundamental to New Zealand's democracy while at the same time supporting the Canterbury Regional Council (Ngāi Tahu Representation) Bill mean that in her view Cantabrians will still have equal voting rights after the bill takes effect?Hon KIRITAPU ALLAN: Yes I do stand by that statement.Hon Paul Goldsmith: Will Cantabrians have equal voting rights after the Canterbury Regional Council (Ngāi Tahu Representation) Bill takes effect?Hon KIRITAPU ALLAN: Yes Cantabrians do retain equal voting rights and as the former National Government showed to us—both in 2010 and again in 2016 when they established the position for Ngāi Tahu to be appointed to Environment Canterbury—this bill continues with that practice.Hon Paul Goldsmith: When she said this week I think we have to keep things in perspective it feels like there is more crime I think it's being reported more I think there is a bit of a spike I don't think it's a trend" does it mean she thinks shop keepers like Harry Luther of Hamilton are just reporting crime more and what they are actually experiencing is a reduction in youth crime?Hon KIRITAPU ALLAN: I think that people like Mr Tam are experiencing an increased level of crime. There is that spike that we've been mentioning and it's been very concerning for all of us hence the measures that myself and Minister Hipkins announced earlier this month or last month with respect to the powers that we're providing to police hence the targeted package that we are providing to those shop owners that have been impacted and targeted by youth ram raids. It is an issue for all of us on our side the Government. We continue to be focused on how we can eliminate or reduce radically any of the trends in these spikes in crime.Hon Paul Goldsmith: Regarding her statement in the Electoral Amendment Bill debate that "Seventy percent of respondents of a recent Victoria University of Wellington survey indicated [that] they did not trust the political funding framework" does she think it's building trust in the funding framework for a party to send an email stating that an inflation payment of $116 was going to 2 million people while asking for a donation of $10?Hon KIRITAPU ALLAN: Whilst I have no ministerial responsibilities for any political party's statements what I do think is that closing any gaps that relate to political party donations and electoral law reform is something that we committed to and it's something that we are cracking on with. I think that enabling greater transparency for political party donations to all parties is something that New Zealanders have sought. It's something that the Labour Party—in our manifesto we went out to the electorate and sought that mandate. An overwhelming majority of New Zealanders supported us to crack down on political party donations. So it's measures like that that our side of the House is committed to to increasing that trust and transparency for all New Zealanders in our democratic system.Hon Paul Goldsmith: A point of order Mr Speaker. I seek leave to table an email from the Labour Party saying that $116 had gone to 2 million people and asking for $10.DEPUTY SPEAKER: Can I ask who the email is to and if they given permission? Have they given consent?Hon Paul Goldsmith: No they haven't given consent. It's been given to multiple people. I could give you many examples. Some were actually asked for $150 but—DEPUTY SPEAKER: I just want the one.Hon Paul Goldsmith: Yes.DEPUTY SPEAKER: Thank you. Leave has been sought for that purpose.Hon Chris Hipkins: A point of order Mr Speaker. The email has been published by the media. There are clear rulings—I mean I have no problem with it being tabled but there are rulings that suggest that stuff that's freely available in the media shouldn't be tabled and it's disorderly to attempt to do so.Chris Bishop: Speaking to the point of order. The interesting thing is there are multiple versions of the email sir. Some people have received emails asking for $10; other people have received emails asking for $20 $30 $40 $50—there seems to be any number of amounts. It's a very interesting little scam the Labour Party is running here and I think the public deserve to see it.DEPUTY SPEAKER: The member knows that's out of order. It's up to the House really—and I'm on my feet so I don't need a commentary. It's up to the House: be careful all I say is that you are not opening yourselves up—and I say all parties up—to have emails tabled in the House for the same purpose.Hon Chris Hipkins: Point of order Mr Speaker.DEPUTY SPEAKER: A point of order—well you'll speak to this point.Hon Chris Hipkins: The member can't accuse another party of being engaged in a scam no matter how superior his knowledge on the topic is.DEPUTY SPEAKER: So what do you suggest I do about that? And then I'll ask the Opposition what they—Nicola Willis: A point of order Mr Speaker.DEPUTY SPEAKER: No I'll just deal with this issue first because otherwise—we're coming to have multiple issues on top of the original issue. So I'm going to deal with this one first—Nicola Willis: A bit like the cost of living payment.DEPUTY SPEAKER: —and I'll deal with that breach right there as well. So that's one two three four; I'm dealing with number one first OK? Everyone clear about that? Good.Hon Paul Goldsmith: The question is can I seek leave? I'm seeking leave.DEPUTY SPEAKER: I'm about to put the leave. Leave has been sought for the purpose of tabling an email. Is there any objection? There is none; it may be dealt with. Issue number two: Chris Bishop will stand withdraw and apologise for the statement he made that was out of order.Chris Bishop: Speaking to the ruling—point of order. What was out of order about what I said?DEPUTY SPEAKER: No.Chris Bishop: What was out of order about it?DEPUTY SPEAKER: I just made a ruling that you will withdraw and apologise for making the statement that you made. You know which one.Chris Bishop: I withdraw and apologise. Point of order.DEPUTY SPEAKER: I'll deal with my next ruling—will be number two: the Hon Chris Hipkins will stand withdraw and apologise.Hon Chris Hipkins: I withdraw and apologise.DEPUTY SPEAKER: Thank you. Number four: Nicola Willis will stand withdraw and apologise.Nicola Willis: I stand withdraw and apologise.DEPUTY SPEAKER: And that was for interrupting me while I was making a ruling on my feet. Right are there any more points of order?Nicola Willis: Yes point of order. I seek your clarification Mr Speaker—DEPUTY SPEAKER: No. No clarifications.Nicola Willis: Can I ask about—DEPUTY SPEAKER: There is no such thing as seeking a point of order of—you either seek a point of order or not.Nicola Willis: Point of order.DEPUTY SPEAKER: What is it?Nicola Willis: I understand that the word "scam" has been questioned—DEPUTY SPEAKER: No. You can deal with that at another time. There are ways to deal with that; that is not the way to do it."