Leary IngridINGRID LEARY (Labour—Taieri): Madam Speaker I'd like to just pick up on some comments made by my colleague the Hon Phil Twyford about the contribution from ACT and the member Chris Baillie because I think it's a really interesting insight to the way ACT thinks about our institutions and protections and the kind of libertarian—and I would say Trumpian—politics being offered by that party.So the logic said that most employers are—as the Hon Phil Twyford said—good people I think or good blokes and therefore there was no reason to afford them these protections. And that really worries me because if we take the logic further what that means is that in any situation where most people are good but there is a human rights issue it is better not to legislate. Now I can think of for example the fact that most taxi drivers would never dream of harming a passenger in their taxi so let's not have protection for taxi passengers. Let's not have protection for schoolchildren because most people in whose care they are will look after them. We can take it on and on and on. My point is really that it is a very dangerous libertarian view to suggest that because most people observe the law and follow good behaviour that somehow absolves us as a society of affording protection for those small and finite instances where there are human rights abuses and breaches and that really worries me. This bill the Employment Relations (Protection for Kiwisaver Members) Amendment Bill is an example of legislation that does close that loophole.My second issue is that it's great the National Party is supporting this legislation but to hear the Hon Sir Michael Cullen called rapacious" is really interesting and affronting especially for I'm sure the people from my electorate in Taieri. And those were the words of the Hon Paul Goldsmith about Sir Michael Cullen who is commonly referred to as one of the greatest finance Ministers that we have had in this country followed of course by the Hon Grant Robertson. Sir Michael Cullen is from what was the St Kilda electorate then the Dunedin South electorate now the Taieri electorate. He is revered in our electorate. He is far from rapacious. He is somebody who recognised that as New Zealanders there is a big public benefit in ensuring that we all do well together that when we—Hon David Parker: It works well in Australia.INGRID LEARY: Exactly it works well in Australia said the Hon David Parker. And when we make sure that we have the means and that our seniors have the means to support themselves that is a public benefit that takes an additional burden off society. It is something worth doing that's why we have universal superannuation also the brainchild of Sir Michael Cullen and that is why we have KiwiSaver.The third point is that while this is about workers' rights and protecting and affording them to those who might otherwise be discriminated against as somebody who chairs the Finance and Expenditure Committee I'm always mindful of the stability of the system. And this is really important that the system has integrity and without these protections—and there are 3 million members of this KiwiSaver system—we simply can't ensure that it will be stable because it is vulnerable it isn't complete and whole it lacks integrity. This closes a gap. The integrity was there to start with and as other members have said it was the National Party who under urgency removed those protections. It also sends a signal as has been mentioned by other members that KiwiSaver is worth investing in and that's really important to get trust in the system from those who contribute to it.I would just ask those listening to this debate to think about the direction of travel because this great member's bill by my colleague Dr Tracey McLellan is really about the direction of travel and it's about worker protections. And look what our Government has done. We are the ones who believe in fair pay for hard work. We have boosted the minimum wage to $22.70 per hour; we have worked really hard to address the inequities in the female-dominated sectors it's something I'm really proud of around equal pay. We are addressing pay gaps in health and education—they are two of the biggest sectors 60 percent of the workforce in the Taieri electorate as Sir Michael Cullen so aptly reminded me when we were doing street corner meetings together just three years ago. And I remember that very fondly as he came out to support. And for that reason I hope that people watching see the benefit of this. It's a great bill I commend it. ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Poto Williams): I call Rachel Boyack—five minutes in reply."