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Barker Rick: Secondhand Dealers and Pawnbrokers Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
Barker Rick: Secondhand Dealers and Pawnbrokers Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:618;Page:14279] 
Hon RICK BARKER (Associate Minister of Justice) 
 on behalf of the 
 Minister of Justice 
: I move  
That the Secondhand Dealers and Pawnbrokers Bill be now read a third time 
. It is with considerable personal pleasure that I see the Secondhand Dealers and Pawnbrokers Bill reach its third reading. I say personal pleasure because while I was living in a Wellington suburb my flatmate Mr Peck and I were robbed continuously. People kept breaking into our flat. They seemed to use it as some sort of department store. They took beer sausages ice cream from the fridge CDs stereo—[ 
Interruption 
] It was none of my parliamentary colleagues. The point is that we made numerous complaints to the police and the police were very attentive to the issue. However we were unable to make any inroads. In frustration the police officer showed me what he was up against. We then took a tour of a number of second-hand dealers and pawnbrokers in the local area—I will not name the area—so that I could see whether I could identify by this stage one of the three video players we had had stolen. 
I have to say that life has its parallels. Some years ago as a young male I went shooting in South Westland and the Inland Revenue Department was very concerned to gets its tax on the amount of venison that was being taken. They were concerned at people coming along and getting paid in cash and not identifying themselves or their rewards. They then got themselves a book. I saw this when I turned up with a friend of mine to take in a carcass for the first time. We were shown the book which we had to fill in and I was gobsmacked to see that former President of the United States John F. Kennedy was alive and well in South Westland and doing very well shooting deer. He was a good marksman as was Mickey Mouse who must have taken time out of Toon Town to go to South Westland and enjoy the fantastic scenery. Obviously the record was a fantasy. 
I saw another fantasy when I went around with a police officer to look at the books of the second-hand dealers and pawnbrokers. It was pure rubbish yet the law had been complied with. There were videos which then had a price of $900 that had been turned in for $100 or $150. The constable said to me that that did not represent reality and I said no it did not. All the labels were wrong and it was the shonkiest process I had ever seen for the supposedly legitimate recycling of stolen goods. It irked me then it irks me today and this long-overdue legislation will give the police a very effective weapon to deal with burglars and thieves. I think this is a fantastic day and it is long overdue. I congratulate this Labour-led Government and all the other parties in this House that supported it for enacting this fabulous legislation.
Urgent Debates Declined — National Certificate of Educational Achievement—Examinations System 
Urgent Debates Declined — National Certificate of Educational Achievement—Examinations System 
[Volume:618;Page:13558] 
Urgent Debates Declined 
National Certificate of Educational Achievement—Examinations System 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I have received a letter from Donna Awatere Huata seeking to debate under Standing Order 382 matters relating to the National Certificate of Educational Achievement examination system. The member provided no authentication for the statements set out in her letter. Therefore in accordance with Speaker’s ruling 153 the application is declined on that ground.
Ogilvy Bernie: State Sector Amendment Bill (No 3) — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
Ogilvy Bernie: State Sector Amendment Bill (No 3) — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:616;Page:12189] 
BERNIE OGILVY (United Future) 
: 
 I want to take a call on behalf of United Future on the title of the State Sector Amendment Bill (No 3). We have heard various things today about this bill and I think it is very important that the title reflects what is happening. The State sector is looked after by the State Services Commissioner and he rather than school trustees is being put into place to handle the elements that this bill addresses—that is when a strike is announced he through appointment by the Minister can step in and do something. As it sits the existing legislation is very untidy and needs to be fixed and that is what this whole bill is about. As the last speaker said if it is not fixed then many teachers will be upset there will be strikes there will be difficulties with people being paid while they are striking and there will be all sorts of dilemmas that the boards of trustees have to put up with and try to sort out. This bill is set up purely and simply to provide a clear track to sort out these difficulties and therefore avoid the possibility of what has been alluded to. If it is left it will become just a philosophical noise as National has talked about. It will be a highway that goes nowhere. This bill goes somewhere and tidies up a whole lot of loose ends. It is really a pleasure to commend this stage of the bill to the Committee on behalf of United Future and we will be voting in favour of it.
Cosgrove Clayton: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Urgent Questions Questions to Members 
Cosgrove Clayton: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Urgent Questions Questions to Members 
[Volume:620;Page:16004] 
4.  
CLAYTON COSGROVE (Labour—Waimakariri) 
 to the  
Minister of Finance 
: What were the main items for discussion at the International Monetary Fund meeting he attended in Washington last week? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Minister of Finance) 
: 
 Discussion focused on the world economic outlook aid issues and the policies required to encourage development in poorer countries. 
Clayton Cosgrove 
: What information did New Zealand have to offer to those discussions? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN 
: A great deal. Much discussion centred on the reforms required to meet the criteria dealt with in the World Bank report  
Doing Business in 2005 
 which was referred to by many delegates. New Zealand ranked first overall in that report in terms of ease of doing business which put us in a very good position at the IMF - World Bank meeting particularly at the development committee meeting. 
John Key 
: What does the Minister consider to be the bigger blunder he made when he gave his Dow Jones interview last week at the IMF: blurting out the fact that he thinks interest rates will go to 9 percent or bagging off shore the Reserve Bank governor for his interest rate management policy here in New Zealand? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN 
: There were no mistakes at all. I simply pointed out something that apparently is news to the Opposition because this Opposition spokesperson on finance is not yet old enough to read the Reserve Bank report. If he had read it it would have told him that the Reserve Bank is projecting two further interest rate rises this year. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I must say the interjections get banal occasionally. 
Gordon Copeland 
: Did the IMF discuss the impact of crude oil prices of over US$50 per barrel on the world economy and how does the Minister see those developments impacting on the New Zealand economy? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN 
: Yes obviously the oil situation was very much to the fore. The IMF I think has already basically wound back its world economic growth forecast by about 0.5 percent as a consequence of the oil price increases. The effects on New Zealand are likely to be largely second-round effects because of the impact on other major economies. In part while the present high exchange rate is not good for some parts of the economy it is muting the effect of the oil price increases on New Zealand. 
John Key 
: I seek leave to table the Reserve Bank’s Monetary Policy Statement which clearly shows that interest rates will not be going up three times. 
Document not tabled. 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN 
: I seek leave to table the statement in which I said that interest rates would certainly rise once more this year and possibly once or twice more after that. I think that makes two or three times does it not? 
Document by leave laid on the Table of the House.
Benson-Pope David: Care of Children Bill — In Committee Procedure 
Benson-Pope David: Care of Children Bill — In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:621;Page:16700] 
Hon DAVID BENSON-POPE (Associate Minister of Justice) 
: 
 I move  
That the Committee divide the bill into the Care of Children Bill and the Status of Children Amendment Bill pursuant to Supplementary Order Paper 290 
.
Vote: Social Security (Long-term Residential Care) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Social Security (Long-term Residential Care) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:622;Page:17286] 
A party vote was called for on the motion  
That the question be now put 
. 
Ayes 74 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand First 13; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 45 
New Zealand National 27; ACT New Zealand 9; Green Party 9. 
Motion agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 281 in the name of the Hon Ruth Dyson to Part 1 be agreed to.
Vote: Public Finance (State Sector Management) Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume 
Vote: Public Finance (State Sector Management) Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Sitting date: 14 December 2004. Volume:622;Page:17872. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 9 
Green Party 9. 
Noes 110 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 315 in the name of the Hon Dr Michael Cullen to Part 1 be agreed to.
Brownlee Gerry: Points of Order — Iraq—Debate 
Brownlee Gerry: Points of Order — Iraq—Debate 
[Volume:606;Page:3976] 
GERRY BROWNLEE (NZ National—Ilam) 
: 
I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. This matter has been discussed by way of leave in the House on several occasions and I point out that the request has been defeated twice by the Government previously. Albeit that Mr Dunne may say he is not part of the Government it is not surprising that the seeking of leave has been defeated today. However as there seems to be a willingness from the Government to have a debate on Iraq I would move that we have a debate— 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Seek leave. 
GERRY BROWNLEE 
: I seek leave that we have a debate on Iraq and that the House sets aside time immediately after question time tomorrow—Government time as it is a Government issue; the only people who can make a decision about New Zealand’s participation in or contribution to any conflict in Iraq are those in Government. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought for that course to be followed. Is there any objection? There is.
Vote: Corrections Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Procedure 
Vote: Corrections Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:617;Page:12993] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 57 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Noes 62 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 213 in the name of the Hon Paul Swain to omit and substitute the definition of  
sentence of imprisonment 
 in clause 3 be agreed to.
Maharey Steve: War Pensions Amendment Bill (No 2) — Instruction to CommitteeCWH 
Maharey Steve: War Pensions Amendment Bill (No 2) — Instruction to CommitteeCWH 
[Volume:607;Page:4361] 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY (Minister of Social Services and Employment) 
 on behalf of the 
 Minister of Veterans’ Affairs 
: I move  
That it be an instruction to the Committee of the whole House on the War Pensions Amendment Bill (No 2) that it take the bill part by part and consider any schedules as one question. 
Motion agreed to.
Carter John: Shop Trading Hours Act Repeal Act (Abolition of Restrictions) Amendment Bill — Consideration of Report of Commerce Committee 
Carter John: Shop Trading Hours Act Repeal Act (Abolition of Restrictions) Amendment Bill — Consideration of Report of Commerce Committee 
[Volume:616;Page:11986] 
JOHN CARTER (Senior Whip—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. If the member feels some wording has been left out he could seek the leave of the House to have the words included. If he wishes to seek leave he could do so. He could test the House to see whether it is of a mind to change the wording. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Clem Simich) 
: He may always seek leave. Any member may seek leave at any time.
Worth Richard: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Worth Richard: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:610;Page:7147] 
11.  
RICHARD WORTH (NZ National—Epsom) 
 to the  
Associate Minister of Justice 
: Does she agree with the Associate Minister of Maori Affairs Hon Tariana Turia’s reported comment that the Government should put the Supreme Court Bill on hold until Maori have been properly consulted and have given it their support; if not why not? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
 on behalf of the 
 Associate Minister of Justice 
: No because she was advised that this is not an accurate statement of what the Hon Tariana Turia said. 
Richard Worth 
: Is the Associate Minister saying that Ruth Berry is lying in the report that was published in the  
New Zealand Herald 
 on 21 July 2003? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN 
: It is perfectly possible for a member of the press gallery to make a mistake without lying. It has been known to happen for parliamentarians. 
Dail Jones 
: In view of the support at the Taupo hui for the retention of the Privy Council which was referred to in that press statement why does the Minister fail to accept New Zealand First’s election policy that there should be a referendum on this issue before appeals to the Privy Council are abolished? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN 
: It would be hard to keep appeals to the Privy Council since the British intend to abolish it. 
Richard Worth 
: Noting that Ruth Berry stands by her story what does the Associate Minister of Justice say that Tariana Turia said on the issue of consultation with Maori? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN 
: My understanding is that Mrs Turia indicated that the hui had called for ongoing consultation which Mrs Turia supported.
Barker Rick: Electoral (Vacancies) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
Barker Rick: Electoral (Vacancies) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:610;Page:7731] 
Hon RICK BARKER (Associate Minister of Justice) 
: 
 I move  
That the Electoral (Vacancies) Amendment Bill be now read a second time 
. I take the opportunity to remind the House of the principle behind this bill. It is quite sound. This bill suspends the operation of section 55(1)(b) and (c) for this Parliament. It does so because those provisions have inappropriate consequences. 
I want to take up the point that has been raised by the National Party on a number of occasions and that is why the bill is restricted to this Parliament. There is a very good reason for that. I said in my first reading speech that I will be writing to the Justice and Electoral Committee to raise this issue with it and to invite it to report back to Parliament as it will do on the electoral law as it applied to the last election. It is customary in this House to have a bill after each election and before the next to tidy up any areas in which there are deficiencies or imperfections. This matter will be one of them. 
The law as it stands does have some unusual consequences. It is extraordinary that someone can come to this House holding dual citizenship and can renounce his or her New Zealand citizenship with no effect but on the other hand a person who is entitled by law and by birth to dual citizenship who comes to this House as a New Zealand citizen but who signs some paperwork to confirm his or her entitlement to citizenship of another country then has to resign. I do not think anybody would say that is a sensible thing. 
Some speakers and others outside the House have commented that the actions of Mr Duynhoven were unlawful but his actions were not unlawful at all. They were no more unlawful than someone signing a letter of resignation. 
This bill properly confers entitlements on all members of this forty-seventh Parliament. It will not go beyond that because prior to this Parliament coming to an end this Parliament will hear a report from the Justice and Electoral Committee and will debate the law properly. 
It has been widely accepted in this country that people can have dual citizenship. There has never been any doubt about that and personally I think it is a good thing. It is not to be confused with the situation of Mr Duynhoven taking out what is his by right of birth and by the retrospective action of Dutch law. I commend the bill to the House for its second reading.
Vote: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Procedure Referral to Health Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled  Speaker Recalled In Committee Procedure 
Vote: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Procedure Referral to Health Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled  Speaker Recalled In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:613;Page:9974] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 53 
New Zealand National 24; New Zealand First 12; ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Noes 65 
New Zealand Labour 52; New Zealand National 3; New Zealand First 1; Green Party 9. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 117 in the name of the Hon Peter Dunne to new section 12(2) in clause 6B be agreed to.
Vote: Foreshore and Seabed Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Foreshore and Seabed Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:621;Page:17049] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 10 
Green Party 9; Maori Party 1. 
Noes 109 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Metiria Turei to clause 11 be agreed to: 
to omit from subclause (2) the expression “Subsection (1)”.
Vote: Maori Television Service Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Maori Television Service Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:607;Page:5071] 
The question was put that 
 the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 77 in the name of the Hon Parekura Horomia as amended be agreed to.
Benson-Pope David: Imports and Exports (Restrictions) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Benson-Pope David: Imports and Exports (Restrictions) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:609;Page:6966] 
DAVID BENSON-POPE (Senior Whip—NZ Labour) 
: I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Dalziel Lianne: Amended Answers to Oral Questions — Question No. 1 to Minister 
Dalziel Lianne: Amended Answers to Oral Questions — Question No. 1 to Minister 
[Volume:607;Page:4583] 
Hon LIANNE DALZIEL (Minister of Immigration) 
: 
 I want to correct a misunderstanding or mistake that may have been made in answer to question No. 1. I may have implied that Fernridge Institute of Training Ltd was not registered by the New Zealand Qualifications Authority. However it was the course that was not approved at the time the permits were issued. A 1-year course was subsequently approved in December last year. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I thank the honourable member for her explanation.
Vote: Relationships (Statutory References) Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Relationships (Statutory References) Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:624;Page:19124] 
A personal vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 68 
Anderton(P) 
Dunne(P) 
Kedgley(P) 
Roy(P) 
Barker(P) 
Duynhoven(P) 
King(P) 
Samuels(P) 
Barnett(P) 
Dyson(P) 
Laban   
Shirley(P) 
Benson-Pope(P) 
Ewen-Street(P) 
Locke(P) 
Simich(P) 
Beyer(P) 
Fairbrother(P) 
Mackey J (P) 
Sutton(P) 
Bradford(P) 
Fitzsimons(P) 
Mackey M (P) 
Swain(P) 
Burton   
Gallagher   
Maharey(P) 
Tamihere(P) 
Carter C (P) 
Goff(P) 
Mahuta(P) 
Tanczos(P) 
Chadwick(P) 
Gosche   
Mallard   
Tizard   
Choudhary(P) 
Hartley(P) 
Mapp(P) 
Turei   
Clark(P) 
Hawkins(P) 
O'Connor(P) 
Ward(P) 
Coddington(P) 
Hereora(P) 
Okeroa(P) 
Wilson(P) 
Cosgrove(P) 
Hide(P) 
Parker(P) 
Yates (P) 
Cullen(P) 
Hobbs   
Peck(P) 
Cunliffe(P) 
Hodgson(P) 
Pillay(P) 
Dalziel(P) 
Horomia(P) 
Ririnui(P) 
Donald(P) 
Hughes   
Robertson(P) 
Teller: 
Duncan(P) 
Hunt(P) 
Robson(P) 
Pettis   
Noes 50 
Adams(P) 
English (P) 
Perry   
Turia(P) 
Alexander(P) 
Franks   
Peters J (P) 
Turner(P) 
Baldock(P) 
Goudie(P) 
Peters W (P) 
Wang   
Brash(P) 
Gudgeon(P) 
Power(P) 
Williamson(P) 
Brown(P) 
Heatley(P) 
Prebble(P) 
Wong(P) 
Brownlee   
Hutchison(P) 
Rich(P) 
Woolerton(P) 
Carter D (P) 
Jones   
Ryall(P) 
Worth(P) 
Carter J (P) 
Key(P) 
Scott(P) 
Catchpole(P) 
Mark(P) 
Smith L (P) 
Collins(P) 
McCully(P) 
Smith M 
Connell(P) 
McNair(P) 
Smith N (P) 
Copeland(P) 
Newman(P) 
Sowry(P) 
Donnelly(P) 
Ogilvy   
Stewart(P) 
Teller: 
Eckhoff(P) 
Paraone(P) 
te Heuheu(P) 
Tisch   
Amendment agreed to.
Vote: Supreme Court Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Supreme Court Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:612;Page:9015] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 71 
New Zealand Labour 52; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 43 
New Zealand National 25; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 5. 
Motion agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Stephen Franks to clause 2 be agreed to: 
to omit clause 2 and substitute the following clause: 
2Commencement 
(1)Except as provided in subsection (2) this Act comes into force after – 
(a)the Chief Electoral Officer has declared the final result of the referendum to be held before or no later than the next general election which asks the question: “Should our right of final appeal to the Privy Council be abolished?”; and 
(b)a 66 percent majority of those voting in the referendum answers “Yes” to the question. 
(2)Subsection (1) comes into force on the day after the date on which this Act receives the Royal assent.
Jones Dail: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Jones Dail: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:624;Page:19531] 
DAIL JONES (NZ First) 
: 
 I have not the faintest idea what Mr Shirley is talking about. All I am concerned about is asking a supplementary question on behalf of a citizen of New Zealand an 84-year-old woman who believes she has been badly treated. I am disappointed that the ACT party would want a citizen of New Zealand to be prevented from having her question asked in the House. Quite frankly as far as I am concerned I know nothing about it and all I am doing is asking a question perhaps on behalf of someone else but it is now in my name. The relevance of another court case really is quite outside the Standing Orders. The member is referring to judicial proceedings that are currently under process and clearly he cannot refer to them in terms of the Standing Orders. That is quite clearly excluded and Mr Shirley is committing an absolute abuse of parliamentary procedure in referring to a case that might be under process although I do not know about that either.
Shirley Ken: Hazardous Substances and New Organisms (Stockholm Convention) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Shirley Ken: Hazardous Substances and New Organisms (Stockholm Convention) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:609;Page:6990] 
Hon KEN SHIRLEY (Deputy Leader—ACT NZ) 
: I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. ACT New Zealand has not had a call on Part 2 of this legislation. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: That is right. I looked to see whether you were seeking the call but you were not— 
Hon KEN SHIRLEY 
: I have been following the debate and I really want to address the point that was just raised. It was a very important point. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I have already agreed that the question be now put and therefore I cannot go back on that.
Vote: Education (Disestablishment of Early Childhood Development Board) Amendment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
Vote: Education (Disestablishment of Early Childhood Development Board) Amendment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:616;Page:12134] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the bill be taken part by part. 
Ayes 84 
New Zealand Labour 52; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 35 
New Zealand National 27; ACT New Zealand 7; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Motion agreed to.
Cullen Michael: Urgent Debates Declined — Government Transport Package Foreshore and Seabed Human Rights Review Tribunal Decision Points of Order 
Cullen Michael: Urgent Debates Declined — Government Transport Package Foreshore and Seabed Human Rights Review Tribunal Decision Points of Order 
[Volume:614;Page:10725] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I have already indicated to a number of members of the House that the Government’s intention is to reach order of the day No. 5. If need be we will not proceed to completion of previous orders of the day. It is not a question of members’ rights being proscribed. The Government will take its chances on business; if we cannot complete it then that business will be held over until early next year.
Donald Rod: Motions — Sir Edmund Hillary—50th Anniversary of Ascent of Mount Everest 
Donald Rod: Motions — Sir Edmund Hillary—50th Anniversary of Ascent of Mount Everest 
[Volume:608;Page:5816] 
ROD DONALD (Co-Leader—Green) 
: 
 The Greens are pleased to support the motion. Without doubt Sir Edmund is a great New Zealander. He is respected by all and is an inspiration to us all. I was pleased to have worked with Sir Edmund and Lady June when I was employed by Volunteer Service Abroad and his commitment to the work of the service was appreciated by everyone. He is indeed a man of great humility and strong compassion and a man who has a compelling sense of what humanity should mean to everyone on this planet.
Hunt Jonathan: Supreme Court Bill — Third Reading 
Hunt Jonathan: Supreme Court Bill — Third Reading 
[Volume:612;Page:9099] 
I recommend to the Government that it take this advice as well. It must fundamentally change the appointment process for this round of appointments. In the ongoing business of Government we accept that appointing a judge or two at a time which is the way it has been done traditionally is all right and is effective; the record shows that competent people are appointed. But when up to 10 judges are going to be appointed for a generation it must be done differently. I believe that it should ultimately be done by resolution of this House. That resolution should occur after hearings by a special select committee to consider the candidates for the Supreme Court. We need to know what these people think. We cannot trust Margaret Wilson’s judgment about it nor can we trust the judgment of Sir Paul Reeves or that influential knight of the realm Sir Geoffrey Palmer or Heather Simpson. Those people have no concept of the mainstream views of New Zealanders about New Zealand and this court will certainly be taking points of view and making judgments about New Zealand. 
I believe that the primary constitutional difference that it will make is to render the Treaty of Waitangi a virtual constitution for New Zealand. That is written into the legislation quite specifically at the wishes of Labour and the Greens. The court will be charged to deal with the treaty in a way that the Privy Council simply refused to do. We need to know whether these judges are breathing thin pink oxygen the clapped-out warped ideology of separatism that Helen Clark and Margaret Wilson are driving into this country or whether they will stick to a judge’s job of interpreting the law not making a new constitution for New Zealand. If any of them think they are going to do a Lord Cooke and put five of them on there they are wrong because that approach will certainly lead to a head-on clash with this Parliament. 
That is why the appointment process must be changed. For just this one-off group of appointments of which there could be up to 10 we should have select committee hearings where those judges can be interviewed and their views discussed. Parliament can then decide whether to pass a resolution to appoint those judges. 
I ask the Government to please take the advice. It failed to win parliamentary support and it refused to seek public support; it must now seek the broad support of Parliament for those judges’ appointments or this court will be damaged at birth in its credibility and therefore will fail to fulfil the Government’s vision but more important will fail to fulfil the role that it potentially could have for New Zealand. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Before I take the next call I advise the House that I have had a request from National and New Zealand First that they split the 10th call into two calls of 5 minutes each. Is there any objection to that course of action? There is not. So when the 10th call is made there will be two calls of 5 minutes each.
Vote: Employment Relations (Flexible Working Hours) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Vote: Employment Relations (Flexible Working Hours) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:624;Page:19722] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the motion be agreed to. 
Ayes 62 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; Progressive 2. 
Noes 56 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 7; United Future 8; Maori Party 1. 
Motion agreed to.
Hutchison Paul: Hazardous Substances and New Organisms (Stockholm Convention) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Hutchison Paul: Hazardous Substances and New Organisms (Stockholm Convention) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:609;Page:6970] 
Dr PAUL HUTCHISON (NZ National—Port Waikato) 
: I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: It had better be different. I have made my ruling. 
Dr PAUL HUTCHISON 
: It is just a point of clarification on your ruling which I certainly do appreciate your making. A valid point was made by Dail Jones regarding temperature—whether water of any temperature can be consumed by a member—and also whether additives can be placed in the water. If you could clarify that for us it would be helpful because someone such as Dail Jones who is an asthmatic from time to time requires not only water but additives to help him. It would be useful to seek your aid in clarifying that situation. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: The member has made a good point. The Chamber is a place for the serious conduct of the business of this House. The principle governing activities in the Chamber is whether they disrupt or have the potential to disrupt that business or demean the House in some way. After all this is Parliament a debating chamber and a place where serious business is conducted.
Donald Rod: Obituaries — Sir William Pickering 
Donald Rod: Obituaries — Sir William Pickering 
[Volume:616;Page:11701] 
ROD DONALD (Co-Leader—Green) 
: 
 On behalf of the Greens I join in expressing our condolences to his family and endorse the motion moved by the Leader of the Opposition Don Brash. It is indeed a sad day when a New Zealander who has had such an impact on the international stage dies. Helen Clark’s words remind us of how important it is that we provide opportunities for those New Zealanders in our own country rather than allowing them to export their considerable skills and talents to other parts of the world.
Jones Dail: Police Complaints Authority (Conditional Name Protection) Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
Jones Dail: Police Complaints Authority (Conditional Name Protection) Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
[Volume:618;Page:13881] 
DAIL JONES (NZ First) 
: 
 This matter has had a very good airing and I appreciate the very clear competent and expressive report presented to the House just now by Dr Paul Hutchison which has made me much better informed on the issue than I was a little while ago. Clearly he has had a good look at the whole issue and has decided not to proceed with the matter. 
It is very difficult for a member of Parliament to change his or her mind and it shows a greater level of understanding achievement and ability on the part of the member to be able to do so having heard all the submissions. It is something one wishes this minority Government would do from time to time on bills that go before select committees when they receive submissions indicating that legislation is absolutely wrong but push ahead with it regardless. 
I would like to congratulate Dr Hutchison on the work he has done on this issue and on the manner in which he has presented it to the House. New Zealand First will be supporting the motion before the House.
Cullen Michael: Business Statement 
Cullen Michael: Business Statement 
[Volume:616;Page:11990] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 The bill that deals with Easter Sunday trading is a member’s bill. It would be open to the member to seek leave to take that bill under urgency at the conclusion of Government business in the urgency motion. I for one certainly would not oppose that.
Burton Mark: Business Statement 
Burton Mark: Business Statement 
[Volume:625;Page:20521] 
Hon MARK BURTON (Deputy Leader of the House) 
: 
 Next week in the House priority will be given to the remaining stages of the Medicines (Specified Biotechnical Procedures) Amendment Bill and the Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims Bill to the third reading of the Ngati Tuwharetoa (Bay of Plenty) Claims Settlement Bill and to the first readings of the bills on the Order Paper. On Thursday of course the Minister of Finance will present Budget 2005 at 2 p.m.
Vote: Customs and Excise (Motor Spirits) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Customs and Excise (Motor Spirits) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:623;Page:18604] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 71 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2; Maori Party 1. 
Noes 49 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 9. 
Motion agreed to.
Vote: Customs and Excise (Motor Spirits) Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
Vote: Customs and Excise (Motor Spirits) Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
[Volume:623;Page:18704] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Customs and Excise (Motor Spirits) Amendment Bill be now read a third time. 
Ayes 69 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; United Future 7; Progressive 2. 
Noes 48 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 7; Maori Party 1. 
Bill read a third time.
O'Connor Damien: Care of Children Bill — Instruction to Committee Procedure In Committee 
O'Connor Damien: Care of Children Bill — Instruction to Committee Procedure In Committee 
[Volume:621;Page:16667] 
Hon DAMIEN O'CONNOR (Minister for Racing) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Swain Paul: General Debate 
Swain Paul: General Debate 
[Volume:624;Page:19485] 
Hon PAUL SWAIN (Minister of Labour) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. When we look across the House we see no National members except for Maurice Williamson who is sitting in the leader’s chair. I wonder whether there is some news that we need to know. 
Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: That is not a point of order and the member knows it.
Baldock Larry: Hop Industry Restructuring Bill — Third Reading 
Baldock Larry: Hop Industry Restructuring Bill — Third Reading 
[Volume:607;Page:4847] 
LARRY BALDOCK (United Future) 
: 
 I rise on behalf of United Future to indicate our support for the third reading of this bill and also to say how impressed we have been with the level of cooperation in the House this afternoon. It is absolutely stunning when a bill such as this which is requested and supported by the hop growers is given to the select committee with no contentious submissions and is then put through the House with the kind of speed that we have seen this afternoon. It is my first experience as a member of this House to see that level of cooperation. It really encourages us in United Future to think that common sense is spreading throughout the Chamber. The only real glitch this afternoon has been remarks from the National Party which continues to harp on about the ideology involved in this bill. It does not understand that the average taxpayer in this country does not care a fig about that. The taxpayers would like to see bills passed through the House in this manner more often so that the good work they are waiting for can be achieved with maximum speed. United Future thanks the House again for being able to speak on this bill and to indicate our support for it.
Gallagher Martin: Telecommunications (Interception Capability) Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
Gallagher Martin: Telecommunications (Interception Capability) Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:616;Page:12293] 
MARTIN GALLAGHER (Labour—Hamilton West) 
: 
 As chairman of the Law and Order Committee I rise to take a very brief call—obviously to acknowledge the necessity of this bill but also to be mindful of the appropriate checks and balances. Although the bill is essentially very technical in my view it is a profoundly significant and important one. 
I take the opportunity to acknowledge the good work of the committee—in particular the deputy chairperson Marc Alexander. I know that the previous speaker would join me in acknowledging the good work of the Hon Tony Ryall Brian Connell and of the Government members on the committee. I also thank Edwin Perry for his contribution and acknowledge his good work on the committee. He has now been replaced by Ron Mark. 
Finally this was in many ways—and I say it with sadness—an absolutely necessary bill. This is the reality of the times in which we live. We hope we have it right. We believe we have it right and I commend this bill accordingly.
Hunt Jonathan: Points of Order — Dominion Post Article 
Hunt Jonathan: Points of Order — Dominion Post Article 
[Volume:612;Page:9250] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: That is not a point of order but if the senior Government whip wishes to make a comment he can.
Hughes Darren: Health (National Cervical Screening Programme) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Hughes Darren: Health (National Cervical Screening Programme) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:615;Page:11341] 
DARREN HUGHES (Labour—Otaki) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
. 
Motion agreed to. 
Clause 1 agreed to.
Cullen Michael: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Cullen Michael: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:621;Page:16228] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Acting Prime Minister) 
: 
 It would be very helpful if it were simply pointed out that the material being sought to be tabled is Mr Tamihere’s election return. That is already available in the public arena and this side of the House refuses leave automatically for matters that are already in the public arena. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: No member is obliged to agree to a document being tabled and Mr Brownlee should know that. [ 
Interruption 
] That interjection is out of order. The member is lucky; I am generous having heard his good contribution last evening!
Key John: Railways Bill — First Reading 
Key John: Railways Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:610;Page:7520] 
JOHN KEY (NZ National—Helensville) 
: 
 National will be supporting the Railways Bill when it goes to the select committee but can I assure the Government that we will be going over it with a fine toothcomb. We do not have any confidence at all that this Government will have done any work when it comes to railways. I say so because in my hand I have a letter from the Hon. Dr Michael Cullen Minister of Finance when I asked him if he could detail for me whom he met regarding Tranz Rail on 11 March 26 March 16 April and what they had talked about when it came to the rail rescue package part of which will be included in the Railways Bill. To my surprise he did not have any record of that at all. When I went to the Ombudsman and asked him if he could intervene on my behalf Dr Cullen came back to tell me that they took no notes at the meeting they did not know the financial position of Tranz Rail at the time and they could not even remember who was at the meeting. It was a complete and utter shambles. 
One needs only to look at the debacle that has led to this Railways Bill and Track Co as a rail participant. Not only did the Minister first try to hug Tranz Rail a company that had anything other than a stellar record but when Toll Holdings came on the scene he greeted them with comments like: “They are on a collision course with the Government. Any offer would have to be a damn good one to interest me.” He was not prepared to step aside and be in a weak position if Toll Holdings took over Tranz Rail. Then he said: “I have some considerable suspicions about what their intentions are. Are they really after increasing rail or getting a trucking company?” Then he gave them a deal that was $200 million better than the deal he gave the company he originally told us was a good one. It only gets better because next week Genesee and Wyoming and West Farmers are coming over to put their bid on the table. So my advice to them is to abuse the Minister of Finance and they will get an even better deal than Toll Holdings. 
We will be recommending the Railways Bill when it goes to the select committee but we will be keeping a very close eye on it when it is in that committee.
Swain Paul: Imports and Exports (Restrictions) Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
Swain Paul: Imports and Exports (Restrictions) Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
[Volume:609;Page:6998] 
Hon PAUL SWAIN (Minister of Transport) 
 on behalf of the Minister of Commerce: I move  
That the Imports and Exports (Restrictions) Amendment Bill be now read a third time 
. The bill has been discussed in the Committee stage at some length together with its companion. I believe that all the issues have been thoroughly debated. I do not intend to delay its passage any further. However I would like to thank the officials who have worked on it and the Foreign Affairs Defence and Trade Committee for its consideration of both the bill and the international agreements underlying it. I commend the bill to the House.
Vote: Taxation (Annual Rates Venture Capital and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Taxation (Annual Rates Venture Capital and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:622;Page:17367] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 4 be agreed to. 
Ayes 59 
New Zealand Labour 51; United Future 8. 
Noes 59 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 9; Green Party 9; Maori Party 1. 
Part 4 agreed to.
Vote: Civil Union Bill — In Committee Procedure 
Vote: Civil Union Bill — In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:622;Page:17581] 
A personal vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 46 
Adams(P) 
Eckhoff(P) 
Peters J (P) 
Tisch (P) 
Alexander(P) 
English(P) 
Peters W (P) 
Turner(P) 
Baldock(P) 
Franks(P) 
Power 
Wang(P) 
Brash(P) 
Gudgeon(P) 
Prebble 
Williamson(P) 
Brown (P) 
Heatley(P) 
Roy(P) 
Woolerton(P) 
Carter D (P) 
Hutchison(P) 
Ryall(P) 
Worth(P) 
Carter J (P) 
Key(P) 
Scott(P) 
Catchpole(P) 
Mapp(P) 
Shirley(P) 
Coddington  
McNair 
Smith L (P) 
Collins(P) 
Newman(P) 
Smith M (P) 
Connell(P) 
Ogilvy(P) 
Smith N (P) 
Copeland 
Paraone(P) 
Stewart (P) 
Teller: 
Dunne(P) 
Perry (P) 
te Heuheu(P) 
Jones 
Noes 74 
Anderton(P) 
Duynhoven(P) 
King(P) 
Simich(P) 
Ardern(P) 
Dyson(P) 
Laban(P) 
Sowry(P) 
Barker 
Ewen-Street  
Locke(P) 
Sutton(P) 
Barnett 
Fairbrother(P) 
Mackey J (P) 
Swain(P) 
Benson-Pope  
Field(P) 
Mackey M 
Tamihere(P) 
Beyer(P) 
Fitzsimons(P) 
Maharey(P) 
Tanczos(P) 
Bradford(P) 
Gallagher(P) 
Mahuta(P) 
Tizard(P) 
Brownlee(P) 
Goff(P) 
Mallard(P) 
Turei(P) 
Burton(P) 
Gosche(P) 
Mark(P) 
Turia(P) 
Carter C(P) 
Goudie(P) 
McCully(P) 
Ward(P) 
Chadwick(P) 
Hartley(P) 
O'Connor(P) 
Wilson(P) 
Choudhary(P) 
Hawkins 
Okeroa(P) 
Wong(P) 
Clark(P) 
Hereora 
Parker(P) 
Yates (P) 
Cosgrove(P) 
Hide(P) 
Peck(P) 
Cullen(P) 
Hobbs(P) 
Pillay(P) 
Cunliffe(P) 
Hodgson(P) 
Rich(P) 
Dalziel(P) 
Horomia(P) 
Ririnui 
Donald(P) 
Hughes 
Robertson(P) 
Donnelly(P) 
Hunt(P) 
Robson(P) 
Teller: 
Duncan(P) 
Kedgley(P) 
Samuels(P) 
Pettis 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 314 in the name of Richard Worth to schedule 3 be agreed to: 
to omit from Part 2 the item relating to the Domestic Violence (Public Registers) Regulations 1998.
Adams Paul: Immigration Amendment Bill — Instructions to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Adams Paul: Immigration Amendment Bill — Instructions to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:611;Page:8268] 
PAUL ADAMS (United Future) 
: 
 I was not going to take a call on the title but after hearing some of the words from the Opposition I decided that I would. Perhaps we should call the bill the “United Future (A Breath of Fresh Air) Bill” because people in this nation have been waiting for a party such as United Future to arise in their midst and members will note that it is rising. The bill should be titled the “United Future (A Breath of Fresh Air) Bill” because it is refreshing for the people of New Zealand to have a party that can look at legislation as it comes through the House and decide whether it is best for the country. That is what we were elected to this Parliament for. We were elected to make decisions that would make a better New Zealand. 
What a name “United Future” is for a party that wants a better future for New Zealand and immigration will always be part of the build-up of New Zealand. We welcome people from all races into this nation but we have a culture and a set of standards. There will be different times and different seasons in our nation when we will need different types of skills and that is what this bill is all about—the “United Future (A Breath of Fresh Air) Bill”. I make the point that there are many people walking the streets of New Zealand—the man on the street and the woman on the street—who will welcome this bill because again we are building a great New Zealand with a united future.
Hobbs Marian: Hazardous Substances and New Organisms (Approvals and Enforcement) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Hobbs Marian: Hazardous Substances and New Organisms (Approvals and Enforcement) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:623;Page:18786] 
Hon MARIAN HOBBS (Minister for the Environment) 
: 
 I move  
That the Hazardous Substances and New Organisms (Approvals and Enforcement) Amendment Bill be referred to the Education and Science Committee 
referred to Education and Science Committee 
 for consideration and that the committee finally report the bill to the House by 3 June 2005.
Vote: Resource Management Amendment Bill (No 2) — First Reading 
Vote: Resource Management Amendment Bill (No 2) — First Reading 
[Volume:607;Page:4311] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Resource Management Amendment Bill (No 2) be now read a first time.  
Ayes 63 
Labour 52; Green Party 3; United Future 8. 
Noes 44 
New Zealand National 26; New Zealand First 12; ACT New Zealand 6. 
Bill read a first time.
Clerk The: Election of Speaker 
Clerk The: Election of Speaker 
[Volume:623;Page:18945] 
The CLERK 
: I am the Chair for the election of the Speaker and as that matter relates to the election of the Speaker I will put it to the House. Is there leave granted? There is not.