Smith Stuart; McAnulty KieranSTUART SMITH (National—Kaikōura): Thank you Mr Chair. Thank you Minister for those answers. But I go back to the point that my colleague Melissa Lee just raised again about the transport systems.Now I heard the Minister's answer that there would be a separate entity for transport corridors and to manage the stormwater from those rather than the other stormwater—the normal stormwater. But I would wager that there wouldn't be many road corridors where the stormwater system is not linked to the transport corridor's stormwater. So how is that interface handled? I know we have an engineer in the room—perhaps Simon Court might like to comment on this later on—but you would have to think that one of those entities will carry the water of the other and therefore they will have to have a larger pipe than they would have needed otherwise. So who pays for the larger pipe?Because I know—from buying pipe in the past—the bigger the pipe the more expensive it is. I know when I chaired a community irrigation company we had to carefully assess how many hectares were going to be irrigated and how much volume of water we wanted because nobody wanted to pay for a bigger pipe than was necessary. We're not necessarily talking about the pipe at the gate of a person's property; we're talking about the pipe delivering the water to the gateway all the way back to the source.But in the case of stormwater it's the other way. You've got to make sure that you're able to carry all the water. The pipe will get bigger as it gets towards the source—but I'm sure we'll hear from our resident engineer if I've got that right. I think I can just see how the two entities are going to interact about who pays for what where the ownership ceases and starts for that network who's going to cover the maintenance costs. I would assume bigger pipes actually may be cheaper to deal with because you might be able to get into them more easily than the smaller pipes. So all those things come into play. Then of course the town stormwater is likely to want to cross a road corridor. What happens when that occurs? It just seems like this has probably not been thought out I would imagine—given the way the bill looks it clearly hasn't and given the time that has been allowed for the legislation to go under the scrutiny of select committees and Parliament rushing it through under urgency. Surely there will be mistakes but perhaps the Minister can give the committee and those that are listening and watching comfort that this bill isn't going to be a rod for New Zealand's collective back in all of these boundary issues that will come from the roading stormwater entity and the conventional stormwater entity. What role will local councils and local communities have in the road transport corridor stormwater entities? Will that have a separate chief executive on a six-figure salary?Simon Court: Six-figure? That sounds like it's discounted.STUART SMITH: Well it goes all the way up till it ticks over to a seventh figure but how close it gets to the seventh figure I'm not sure. Maybe it is seven figures. Or perhaps the Minister could let us know what the salary ranges are and do the transport corridor CEOs have a higher salary than the normal conventional stormwater entities? I'd really like to hear those answers. Thank you Minister.Hon KIERAN McANULTY (Minister of Local Government): There won't be separate stormwater entities. What I was pointing out earlier was that the transport corridor managers will continue to manage the roading stormwater systems—say as an example Waka Kotahi—and the interface between those will be addressed by the relationship agreement which is required by this bill. That relationship agreement could well be with NZTA or indeed the council if it was a local road that fell into the scope of this bill. That would address the concerns that he raised in his example. But we're not proposing that there be a separate entity to deal with stormwater and then a separate one again to deal with stormwater off roads. That's not what's being proposed.