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Dyson Ruth: Climate Change Response (Emissions Trading) Amendment Bill Electricity (Renewable Preference) Amendment Bill — Third Readings 
Dyson Ruth: Climate Change Response (Emissions Trading) Amendment Bill Electricity (Renewable Preference) Amendment Bill — Third Readings 
[Volume:650;Page:18741] 
Hon RUTH DYSON (Minister for Social Development and Employment) 
: 
 For the benefit of members of the public who do not know this I say the member who has just resumed his seat is called Allan Peachey. He is a National member of Parliament from somewhere who thinks we are rushing through this legislation. He should know that this legislation is a result of a discussion document a result of hundreds of public meetings up and down New Zealand and a result of a select committee process where 259 written submissions were made and 161 oral submissions were heard and where there were over 58 hours of hearing time. There was a landowners’ forum there was a Maori leaders’ group and there were four technical advisory groups all inputting into this legislation. That was a do-nothing speech from a do-nothing member of Parliament. 
I am very proud to be supporting the passage of this legislation and I wish to acknowledge the leadership of Helen Clark and Michael Cullen in steering it through the parliamentary process. I particularly acknowledge the leadership of the Minister responsible for the legislation David Parker. I also acknowledge the integrity and hard work demonstrated by the other parties in their discussions about their support for and commitment to this legislation. Climate change is one of the greatest challenges that we face. It is important that New Zealand continues to play a leadership role and shoulders our share of the responsibility for it. This legislation completes that process. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Marian Hobbs) 
: [ 
Interruption 
] I am sorry there have been 12 speeches and National has had six of them.
Moroney Sue: Climate Change Response (Emissions Trading) Amendment Bill Electricity (Renewable Preference) Amendment Bill — Third Readings 
Moroney Sue: Climate Change Response (Emissions Trading) Amendment Bill Electricity (Renewable Preference) Amendment Bill — Third Readings 
[Volume:650;Page:18740] 
SUE MORONEY (Labour) 
: 
 I am very pleased to stand and take a short call in this historic debate the third reading of this legislation and it will be a historic moment when it is passed. I think the debate is actually quite enlightening this evening because here we see one of the many defining issues between Labour and National. On this side Labour is prepared to take leadership and to actually have a vision to go forward. On the other side the National members are wringing their hands over not having 100 percent certainty over everything that moves and therefore they are not prepared to move forward because they cannot have that absolute certainty. This demonstrates the leadership being displayed on this side of the House and the absolute lack of vision over there—the absolute lack of vision—and the lack of commitment to moving forward. Any excuse will do to stand still with National. Well that is not the vision that Labour has and I am very pleased to support this legislation at the third reading.
Vote: Climate Change Response (Emissions Trading) Amendment Bill — Recommittal 
Vote: Climate Change Response (Emissions Trading) Amendment Bill — Recommittal 
[Volume:650;Page:18724] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the motion be agreed to. 
Ayes 13 
Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Independent: Field. 
Noes 107 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand National 47; New Zealand First 7; United Future 2; Progressive 1; Independent: Copeland. 
Motion not agreed to.
Climate Change Response (Emissions Trading) Amendment Bill — Recommittal 
Climate Change Response (Emissions Trading) Amendment Bill — Recommittal 
[Volume:650;Page:18724] 
Climate Change Response (Emissions Trading) Amendment Bill 
Recommittal 
TE URUROA FLAVELL (Maori Party—Waiariki) 
: 
 I move  
That the Climate Change Response (Emissions Trading) Amendment Bill be recommitted 
to the Committee of the whole House to consider the amendments to clause 28 clause 43 and new section 68 standing in my name 
. 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the motion be agreed to. 
Ayes 13 
Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Independent: Field. 
Noes 107 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand National 47; New Zealand First 7; United Future 2; Progressive 1; Independent: Copeland. 
Motion not agreed to.
Flavell Te Ururoa: Climate Change Response (Emissions Trading) Amendment Bill — Recommittal 
Flavell Te Ururoa: Climate Change Response (Emissions Trading) Amendment Bill — Recommittal 
[Volume:650;Page:18724] 
TE URUROA FLAVELL (Maori Party—Waiariki) 
: 
 I move  
That the Climate Change Response (Emissions Trading) Amendment Bill be recommitted 
to the Committee of the whole House to consider the amendments to clause 28 clause 43 and new section 68 standing in my name 
.
Urgency 
Urgency 
[Volume:650;Page:18723] 
Urgency 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I move  
That urgency be accorded the passing through their remaining stages of the Climate Change Response (Emissions Trading) Amendment Bill the Electricity (Renewable Preference) Amendment Bill the Public Transport Management Bill and the Corrections (Mothers with Babies) Amendment Bill.  
This motion is moved so that these bills can be passed before the House rises for the 1-week adjournment. 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That urgency be accorded. 
Ayes 68 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; Progressive 1; Independent: Field. 
Noes 50 
New Zealand National 47; United Future 2; Independent: Copeland. 
Motion agreed to.
Vote: Urgency 
Vote: Urgency 
[Volume:650;Page:18724] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That urgency be accorded. 
Ayes 68 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; Progressive 1; Independent: Field. 
Noes 50 
New Zealand National 47; United Future 2; Independent: Copeland. 
Motion agreed to.
Cullen Michael: Urgency 
Cullen Michael: Urgency 
[Volume:650;Page:18723] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I move  
That urgency be accorded the passing through their remaining stages of the Climate Change Response (Emissions Trading) Amendment Bill the Electricity (Renewable Preference) Amendment Bill the Public Transport Management Bill and the Corrections (Mothers with Babies) Amendment Bill.  
This motion is moved so that these bills can be passed before the House rises for the 1-week adjournment.
Vote: Waste Minimisation Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Waste Minimisation Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:650;Page:18723] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 48 
New Zealand National 47; Independent: Copeland. 
Noes 70 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; United Future 2; Progressive 1; Independent: Field. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
Clause 1 agreed to. 
Bill reported with amendment. 
Report adopted.
Vote: Waste Minimisation Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Waste Minimisation Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:650;Page:18723] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 70 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; United Future 2; Progressive 1; Independent: Field. 
Noes 48 
New Zealand National 47; Independent: Copeland. 
Motion agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 217 in the name of Nicky Wagner to clause 1 be agreed to.
Cullen Michael: Waste Minimisation Bill — In Committee 
Cullen Michael: Waste Minimisation Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:650;Page:18722] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Marian Hobbs) 
: The question is that the question will now be put. 
Nathan Guy 
: Point of order— 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Marian Hobbs) 
: I am sorry I began— 
Nathan Guy 
: I raise a point of order Madam Chair. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Marian Hobbs) 
: Either you are drinking or you are walking around a corner. I am sorry; that was a reference to another time we had. 
Nathan Guy 
: I raise a point of order Madam Chair. I cannot believe that you are addressing a member of this House like that. I take offence at that comment. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Marian Hobbs) 
: I am sorry. Could you sit down and I will explain. When I have started a process and then put the question twice now you have jumped up. Both times you have used an excuse: either you had been drinking a glass of water or you had been moving around the seats. That was the slightly humorous point I was making to you. It was not a necessary point but the thing is that you do not actually get in before I speak. I took a deep silence I then moved and then you called the point of order. I am sorry but when I start to move the motion that is it. 
Now I am putting the motion— 
Nathan Guy 
: Speaking to the point of order— 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Marian Hobbs) 
: No I am putting the motion. I am sorry; it is as I explained it to you. 
Nathan Guy 
: I raise a point of order Madam Chair. Under Standing Order 137(3) my understanding is that it has to be reasonable for the Chair to put the motion. I have been listening to the debate today; we have made very good contributions on this Waste Minimisation Bill and we still have further comments to make on the title. I would like you to please acknowledge that. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Marian Hobbs) 
: I am going to continue to put the motion. The reason as I have already explained to you before is that I take notes. I have taken notes throughout I have given a number of people extended periods to talk and I have not finished off their speeches right on 5 minutes so they could complete their arguments. We have covered the point about resource recovery versus waste and we have given a number of examples that have been repeated. 
The question is that the motion will be put.
Norman Russel William: Waste Minimisation Bill — In Committee 
Norman Russel William: Waste Minimisation Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:650;Page:18717] 
Dr RUSSEL NORMAN (Co-Leader—Green) 
: 
 I should perhaps first explain why the Waste Minimisation Bill which began as a member’s bill in Mike Ward’s name then continued in Nandor Tanczos’ name and in my name is now a Government bill. Basically on the last members’ day the Waste Minimisation Bill could not get through in the allotted time. Although we tried to minimise waste National unfortunately wasted a lot of time and we were not able to get the bill through. The Greens have been very supportive of National members’ contributions to this bill and have thanked them for their contribution throughout but it would have been much better had we been able to get through the bill in members’ time so that it could have stayed as a member’s bill with all parties behind it. But we also appreciate what the Government is doing in picking up the bill and making sure that it gets through. Although we would have preferred that the bill stayed a member’s bill—which would have been I think the best way to get it through—none the less we appreciate that it is being picked up as a Government bill. 
In terms of the title change that is being proposed I tell the Committee that we do not support that change. We just do not think it is necessary. We think that the definition of “waste minimisation” in the bill includes resource recovery. “Resource recovery” is also not defined in the bill so to put those words in the title is slightly confusing for that reason. We define “recovery” but we do not define “resource recovery”. 
In terms of Mr Carter’s argument which I certainly subscribe to that one of the purposes is to shift minds—that is to win people over—I am not sure that changing the title of the legislation will necessarily do that. Although we in this Chamber may like to think that people out there spend a lot of time reading the title of the bills we pass through the House I suspect they do not. [ 
Interruption 
] Well I think that what we actually want to do is shift people’s minds away from waste and towards resource recovery and I do not think that changing the title of the bill will make a lot of difference to that. So at this stage I do not see any particular reason to support the title change. 
In terms of the broader picture I tell the Committee that we want to get this bill through before the election so that it can be up and running. That is our key approach at the moment and we look forward to the support of the House so we can get it going.
Smith Nick: General Debate 
Smith Nick: General Debate 
[Volume:650;Page:18710] 
Hon Dr NICK SMITH (National—Nelson) 
: 
 I seek leave to table a document. That document is all of Labour’s policy in respect of the 2008 election and it amounts to absolutely zero in terms of what it has announced today. 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Leave has been sought for that course to be followed. Is there any objection? There is.
Pillay Lynne: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Pillay Lynne: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:650;Page:18695] 
11.  
LYNNE PILLAY (Labour—Waitakere) 
 to the  
Minister of Housing 
: What recent reports if any has she received on housing policy? 
Hon MARYAN STREET (Minister of Housing) 
: 
 I have seen a policy release from National showing that aside from repeating its old answer to everything—which is tax cuts—it has flip-flopped on Labour policies such as income-related rents as well as shared equity and National now parades as good ideas those very things that it was vigorously opposing in the House just last week. It shows that when the National Party is not actively leaking its policies it is busy copying ours. 
Lynne Pillay 
: Has she seen any policies that would affect State housing? 
Hon MARYAN STREET 
: Yes. I see that despite regularly railing against the waiting list which National created by selling 13000 State houses National has confirmed that it will not be increasing the stock. Although Labour has created nearly 8000 new State homes spending $221 million last year alone in doing so National is saying to those on the waiting list: “Give up now.” and to those thinking about applying: “Don’t bother.”
Sharples Pita: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Sharples Pita: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:650;Page:18692] 
9.  
Dr PITA SHARPLES (Co-Leader—Maori Party) 
 to the  
Minister in charge of Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations 
: Is it Government policy not to include Treaty clauses in bills other than Treaty-related legislation; if so why? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Minister in charge of Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations) 
: 
 No. 
Dr Pita Sharples 
: Is he aware that the Maori Focus Forum set up by the Commissioner of Police called the absence of a Treaty clause in the Policing Bill a particular disappointment; if so why did Labour vote against the Treaty clause put forward by the Maori Party for the Policing Bill? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN 
: No I am not aware of that statement but even if I had been I would not have been inclined to alter my advice to my colleagues. These matters are dealt with on a case by case basis by the Government. It is not clear what a Treaty clause would mean in this instance. 
Dr Pita Sharples 
: Does he recall the Minister of Immigration justifying Labour’s decision to vote down the Maori Party’s proposal for a Treaty clause in the Immigration Advisers Licensing Bill by stating that Labour had consulted extensively with what he called “the kaitiaki of tikanga in the Labour Maori caucus”; if so what was the advice of the Labour Maori caucus about Treaty clauses? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN 
: The advice I receive on that is that these matters should be dealt with on a case by case basis. Labour has a proud record of implementing Treaty settlements over recent times. 
Dr Pita Sharples 
: Would he agree that the fact that Ngai Tahu has taken a claim to the Waitangi Tribunal against the emissions trading scheme now makes that bill Treaty-related legislation; if so why did the Labour Government vote down the Maori Party’s proposed Treaty clause for the emissions trading scheme bill? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN 
: No. The tribunal would arrive at its own decisions. The fact that somebody takes a case does not make it a Treaty-related issue; otherwise any case could be taken to the tribunal and halt any kind of action in that regard. In relation to the Ngai Tahu situation there are two quite separate issues. The first is whether in any sense the Government in the 1990s negotiated in good faith. There is a process to deal with that issue through an independent process. The second is whether any general Government legislation may at any point impact in any fashion upon any value of any property that resulted from a Treaty settlement. If the argument is that it cannot then that is to set up a two-tier process of legislation in Government from this point on. In any case the member and I suspect Ngai Tahu have not fully taken account of the fact that emissions units and the value of those will apply to the land bought before 2002 and at a carbon emissions price of $23 a tonne Ngai Tahu actually is a net gainer from the transfer.
Cullen Michael: Business of the House 
Cullen Michael: Business of the House 
[Volume:650;Page:18681] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 Pursuant to an agreement in the Business Committee I seek leave for the debates on the questions that the Judicature (High Court Rules) Amendment Bill be read a second and a third time to be taken together as a single debate of 12 10-minute speeches. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought. Is there any objection? There is no objection.
Wilson Margaret: Speaker’s Observations — Parliamentary Library—Appointment of First Librarian 
Wilson Margaret: Speaker’s Observations — Parliamentary Library—Appointment of First Librarian 
[Volume:650;Page:18681] 
Madam SPEAKER 
: Members it is my pleasure to inform the House that 20 September 2008 marks the 150th anniversary of the appointment of the Parliamentary Library’s first librarian Captain F E Campbell. I am sure that members would wish to join with me in congratulating the library on this significant anniversary and in acknowledging its historic and current role in supporting representative and parliamentary democracy. The occasion will be marked by the publication of a book  
Parliament’s Library—150 years 
 by Dr John Martin which will be launched at a function in the Grand Hall this evening.
Business of the House 
Business of the House 
[Volume:650;Page:18681] 
Business of the House 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 Pursuant to an agreement in the Business Committee I seek leave for the debates on the questions that the Judicature (High Court Rules) Amendment Bill be read a second and a third time to be taken together as a single debate of 12 10-minute speeches. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought. Is there any objection? There is no objection.
Speaker’s Observations — Parliamentary Library—Appointment of First Librarian 
Speaker’s Observations — Parliamentary Library—Appointment of First Librarian 
[Volume:650;Page:18681] 
Wednesday 10 September 2008 
Madam Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Prayers 
. 
Speaker’s Observations 
Parliamentary Library—Appointment of First Librarian 
Madam SPEAKER 
: Members it is my pleasure to inform the House that 20 September 2008 marks the 150th anniversary of the appointment of the Parliamentary Library’s first librarian Captain F E Campbell. I am sure that members would wish to join with me in congratulating the library on this significant anniversary and in acknowledging its historic and current role in supporting representative and parliamentary democracy. The occasion will be marked by the publication of a book  
Parliament’s Library—150 years 
 by Dr John Martin which will be launched at a function in the Grand Hall this evening.
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:650;Page:18679] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 55 
New Zealand National 47; New Zealand First 7; Independent: Copeland. 
Noes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; United Future 2; ACT New Zealand 2; Progressive 1; Independent: Field. 
Amendments not agreed to. 
Progress to be reported presently. 
House resumed. 
The Chairperson reported the Climate Change (Emissions Trading and Renewable Preference) Bill with amendment and that the Committee had divided it into two bills and progress on the Public Transport Management Bill. 
Report adopted.
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:650;Page:18678] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 55 
New Zealand National 47; New Zealand First 7; Independent: Copeland. 
Noes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; United Future 2; ACT New Zealand 2; Progressive 1; Independent: Field. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendments in the name of Peter Brown to clause 12 be agreed to: 
to omit subclause (3)(b); 
to omit subclause (3)(n); 
to omit subclause (6); and 
to omit subclause (10)(a)(ii).
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:650;Page:18675] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 63 
New Zealand Labour 49; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Progressive 1; Independent: Field. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand National 47; New Zealand First 7; United Future 2; Independent: Copeland. 
Amendment agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 249 in the name of Jeanette Fitzsimons to clause 11A(3) be agreed to.
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:650;Page:18675] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 55 
New Zealand National 47; New Zealand First 7; Independent: Copeland. 
Noes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; United Future 2; ACT New Zealand 2; Progressive 1; Independent: Field. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 249 in the name of Jeanette Fitzsimons to clause 11A(2)(d) be agreed to.
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:650;Page:18675] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 63 
New Zealand Labour 49; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Progressive 1; Independent: Field. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand National 47; New Zealand First 7; United Future 2; Independent: Copeland. 
Amendment agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Peter Brown to clause 11A be agreed to: 
to omit from subclause (2)(c) “section 12(3)(b)” and substitute “section 12(3)(c)”.
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:650;Page:18674] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 63 
New Zealand Labour 49; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Progressive 1; Independent: Field. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand National 47; New Zealand First 7; United Future 2; Independent: Copeland. 
Amendment agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 249 in the name of Jeanette Fitzsimons to insert after “control” “or contracting requirement” in clause 11A(2)(b) be agreed to.
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:650;Page:18675] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 63 
New Zealand Labour 49; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Progressive 1; Independent: Field. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand National 47; New Zealand First 7; United Future 2; Independent: Copeland. 
Amendment agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 249 in the name of Jeanette Fitzsimons to clause 11A(2)(c) be agreed to.
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:650;Page:18674] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 63 
New Zealand Labour 49; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Progressive 1; Independent: Field. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand National 47; New Zealand First 7; United Future 2; Independent: Copeland. 
Amendment agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 249 in the name of Jeanette Fitzsimons to clause 11A(2) be agreed to.
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:650;Page:18674] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 63 
New Zealand Labour 49; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Progressive 1; Independent: Field. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand National 47; New Zealand First 7; United Future 2; Independent: Copeland. 
Amendment agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 249 in the name of Jeanette Fitzsimons to insert after “in” “or pursuant to” in clause 11A(2)(b) be agreed to.
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:650;Page:18674] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 63 
New Zealand Labour 49; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Progressive 1; Independent: Field. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand National 47; New Zealand First 7; United Future 2; Independent: Copeland. 
Amendment agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 249 in the name of Jeanette Fitzsimons to clause 11A(2)(a) be agreed to.
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:650;Page:18673] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 63 
New Zealand Labour 49; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Progressive 1; Independent: Field. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand National 47; New Zealand First 7; United Future 2; Independent: Copeland. 
Amendment agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 249 in the name of Jeanette Fitzsimons to clause 11 be agreed to.
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:650;Page:18673] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 63 
New Zealand Labour 49; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Progressive 1; Independent: Field. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand National 47; New Zealand First 7; United Future 2; Independent: Copeland. 
Amendment agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Maurice Williamson to clause 10 be agreed to: 
to insert in paragraph (3) after “a summary of” “the matters that the regional council has satisfied itself of in accordance with section 12(1) in order to enable it to specify the controls”. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Maurice Williamson to clause 10 be agreed to: 
to omit paragraphs (a) to (c) from subclause (3). 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 249 in the name of Jeanette Fitzsimons to clause 10(3)(a) be agreed to.
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:650;Page:18673] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 63 
New Zealand Labour 49; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Progressive 1; Independent: Field. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand National 47; New Zealand First 7; United Future 2; Independent: Copeland. 
Amendment agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 249 in the name of Jeanette Fitzsimons to clause 10(3)(b) be agreed to.
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:650;Page:18672] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 55 
New Zealand National 47; New Zealand First 7; Independent: Copeland. 
Noes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; United Future 2; ACT New Zealand 2; Progressive 1; Independent: Field. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Maurice Williamson to clause 10 be agreed to: 
to insert in subclause (2)(a)(v) after “time” “distance” and after “concessions” “provided that the policy provides for adequate compensation of contracted operators for any contracted net fare arrangement”. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Maurice Williamson to clause 10 be agreed to: 
to insert in subclause (2)(a)(vi) after “region” “provided that in the case of commercial public transport services the application is proposed to be proportionate to and compatible with the commercial operating basis and character of the service”. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 249 in the name of Jeanette Fitzsimons to clause 10(3) be agreed to.
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:650;Page:18672] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 55 
New Zealand National 47; New Zealand First 7; Independent: Copeland. 
Noes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; United Future 2; ACT New Zealand 2; Progressive 1; Independent: Field. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Maurice Williamson to clause 10 be agreed to: 
to omit subclause (2)(a)(iii) and substitute: 
(2)(a)(iii)The promotion of an integrated public transport system:.
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:650;Page:18671] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 55 
New Zealand National 47; New Zealand First 7; Independent: Copeland. 
Noes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; United Future 2; ACT New Zealand 2; Progressive 1; Independent: Field. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Maurice Williamson to clause 9 be agreed to: 
to add the following subclause: 
(8)Subsection (5) and subsection (6) are subject to the obligations of the regional council to properly carry out the requirements of sections 12 14 and 16.
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:650;Page:18671] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 63 
New Zealand Labour 49; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Progressive 1; Independent: Field. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand National 47; New Zealand First 7; United Future 2; Independent: Copeland. 
Amendment agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Maurice Williamson to clause 10 be agreed to: 
to omit subclause (1)(d). 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Maurice Williamson to clause 10 be agreed to: 
to omit subclause (1)(e). 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich) 
: The amendments in the name of Peter Brown to clause 10 have been ruled out of order as they are inconsistent with previous decisions of the Committee. 
The amendments in the name of the Hon Maurice Williamson to clause 10(1)(j) and to omit subclause 2(a)(iv) are also ruled out of order as they are inconsistent with a previous decision of the Committee. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Maurice Williamson to clause 10 be agreed to: 
to omit subclause (2)(a)(i) and substitute: 
(2)(a)(i)The information from public transport operators that the regional council wishes to obtain for public transport planning contracting and monitoring purposes:.
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 55 
New Zealand National 47; New Zealand First 7; Independent: Copeland. 
Noes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; United Future 2; ACT New Zealand 2; Progressive 1; Independent: Field. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 249 in the name of Jeanette Fitzsimons to clause 10(1) be agreed to.
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 63 
New Zealand Labour 49; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Progressive 1; Independent: Field. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand National 47; New Zealand First 7; United Future 2; Independent: Copeland. 
Amendment agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Maurice Williamson to clause 9 be agreed to: 
to add to subclause (2) “and implement the requirements of section 14”.
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 63 
New Zealand Labour 49; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Progressive 1; Independent: Field. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand National 47; New Zealand First 7; United Future 2; Independent: Copeland. 
Amendments agreed to.
Turei Metiria: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
Turei Metiria: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
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METIRIA TUREI (Green) 
: 
 If this is the appropriate time I seek leave for the amendments to Part 2 on Supplementary Order Paper 249 in the name of Jeanette Fitzsimons to be taken as one question. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich) 
: The question is that the amendments to Part 2 set out on Supplementary Order Paper 249 in the name of Jeanette Fitzsimons be taken as one question. Leave has been sought. Is there any objection? There is objection. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 249 in the name of Jeanette Fitzsimons to clause 9 be agreed to.
Carter Chris: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
Carter Chris: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
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Hon CHRIS CARTER (Minister of Education) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Williamson Maurice: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
Williamson Maurice: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
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Hon MAURICE WILLIAMSON (National—Pakuranga) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I have a heap of amendments and I have not got to speak to any of them. I have had only two calls of a general nature. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich) 
: I call the Hon Maurice Williamson.
Pettis Jill: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
Pettis Jill: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
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JILL PETTIS (Labour) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Jones Dail: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
Jones Dail: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
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DAIL JONES (NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. Just as a matter of clarification. What is the status of Mr Hide’s vote and the vote of the ACT party in this Chamber? 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: They can still vote. 
DAIL JONES 
: They can still vote? 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Yes they are still entitled to their vote.
King Annette: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
King Annette: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
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Hon ANNETTE KING (Minister of Transport) 
: 
 As the financial veto is now part of the debate—with you having made your ruling Mr Chairman—perhaps for the benefit of the member who has raised it I should say that the reason given for the veto and for the Government not concurring is that exposing regional councils to the liability to pay compensation for declining to register commercial services may expose councils and therefore the National Land Transport Fund to significant financial risk. As the member knows the majority of the money for passenger transport services comes through the National Land Transport Fund. That is the reason the veto has been provided.
Hayes John: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
Hayes John: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
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JOHN HAYES (National—Wairarapa) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I would draw your attention to Standing Order 320(1) and for your benefit I will read it out: “A certificate relating to a bill may be given only when the bill is awaiting its third reading.” In that context and in the context of Standing Order 320(4) can I suggest as Mr Williamson suggests that the matter be left until a later date. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I tell the member that I have already made that decision. I refer the member to Standing Order 319(1).
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 55 
New Zealand National 47; New Zealand First 7; Independent: Copeland. 
Noes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; United Future 2; ACT New Zealand 2; Progressive 1; Independent: Field. 
Amendment not agreed to.
Robertson H V Ross: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
Robertson H V Ross: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I wish to advise members that the Government has issued a financial veto certificate in relation to an amendment in the name of the Hon Maurice Williamson to omit clause 15. The amendment therefore is out of order and no question will be put on it. However the veto certificate may be debated in the context of this part.
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 1 as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand Labour 49; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; Progressive 1; Independent: Field. 
Noes 59 
New Zealand National 47; New Zealand First 7; United Future 2; ACT New Zealand 2; Independent: Copeland. 
Part 1 as amended agreed to.
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 55 
New Zealand National 47; New Zealand First 7; Independent: Copeland. 
Noes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; United Future 2; ACT New Zealand 2; Progressive 1; Independent: Field. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Maurice Williamson to clause 4 be agreed to: 
to omit the definition of  
traffic management 
.
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 55 
New Zealand National 47; New Zealand First 7; Independent: Copeland. 
Noes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; United Future 2; ACT New Zealand 2; Progressive 1; Independent: Field. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: The amendment in the name of the Hon Maurice Williamson to omit the definition of “quality standards” and substitute a new definition is ruled out of order as being inconsistent with a previous decision of the Committee. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Maurice Williamson to clause 4 be agreed to: 
to omit from paragraph (b)(i) of the definition of  
registered commercial public transport service 
 “the details of the variation are not recorded in the register” and substitute “if the details of the variation have been removed under  
section 36 
”.
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 55 
New Zealand National 47; New Zealand First 7; Independent: Copeland. 
Noes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; United Future 2; ACT New Zealand 2; Progressive 1; Independent: Field. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Maurice Williamson to clause 4 be agreed to: 
to omit paragraph (a)(ix) of the definition of  
public transport service 
.
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 55 
New Zealand National 47; New Zealand First 7; Independent: Copeland. 
Noes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; United Future 2; ACT New Zealand 2; Progressive 1; Independent: Field. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Maurice Williamson to clause 4 be agreed to: 
to omit paragraph (c)(viii) of the definition of  
public transport service 
.
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 55 
New Zealand National 47; New Zealand First 7; Independent: Copeland. 
Noes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; United Future 2; ACT New Zealand 2; Progressive 1; Independent: Field. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: The amendments in the name of the Hon Maurice Williamson to the definition of “public transport service” to omit paragraph (b) to omit from paragraph (c) “except as specified under paragraph (b)” and to omit paragraph (c)(vii) in clause 4 are ruled out of order as they are the same in substance as a previous amendment. 
The amendments in the name of Peter Brown to the definition of “public transport service” to omit paragraph (b) to omit from paragraph (c) “except as specified under paragraph (b)” and to omit paragraph (c)(vii) in clause 4 are also ruled out of order as they are the same in substance as a previous amendment. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Maurice Williamson to clause 4 be agreed to: 
to omit from paragraph (c)(vi)(C) of the definition of  
public transport service 
 “primarily for the purpose” and substitute “substantially as part”.
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 63 
New Zealand Labour 49; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Progressive 1; Independent: Field. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand National 47; New Zealand First 7; United Future 2; Independent: Copeland. 
Amendment agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Maurice Williamson to clause 4 be agreed to: 
to omit the definition of  
performance standards 
 and substitute the following definition: 
performance standards  
means standards specifying levels of performance required of commercial public transport services relating to their levels of reliability over specified periods including levels of reliability in— 
(a)departing from and arriving at the commencement and termination points on routes registered for commercial public transport services; and 
(b)collecting passengers on routes registered for commercial public transport services; and 
(c)observing routes registered for commercial public transport services; and 
(d)meeting timetables registered for commercial public transport services (including levels of punctuality required).
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 63 
New Zealand Labour 49; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Progressive 1; Independent: Field. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand National 47; New Zealand First 7; United Future 2; Independent: Copeland. 
Amendment agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 249 in the name of Jeanette Fitzsimons to paragraph (b) of the definition of “existing commercial service” in clause 4 be agreed to.
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 55 
New Zealand National 47; New Zealand First 7; Independent: Copeland. 
Noes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; United Future 2; ACT New Zealand 2; Progressive 1; Independent: Field. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Maurice Williamson to clause 4 be agreed to: 
to insert in paragraph (a)(iii) of the definition of  
public transport service  
after “ferry” “harbour”.
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 63 
New Zealand Labour 49; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Progressive 1; Independent: Field. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand National 47; New Zealand First 7; United Future 2; Independent: Copeland. 
Amendment agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 249 in the name of Jeanette Fitzsimons to insert “or contracting requirement” after each instance of “the control” in paragraph (a) of the definition of “existing commercial service” in clause 4 be agreed to.
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Public Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 63 
New Zealand Labour 49; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Progressive 1; Independent: Field. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand National 47; New Zealand First 7; United Future 2; Independent: Copeland. 
Amendment agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Maurice Williamson to clause 4 be agreed to: 
to omit from the definition of  
control 
 “authorised under” and substitute “specified in accordance with”.