Penk ChrisCHRIS PENK (National—Kaipara ki Mahurangi) (remote): Thank you very much Mr Chair and thank you to Minister Kris Faafoi for that response. I wonder if the Minister can explain—excuse me as I search through my notes—what changes are made in this legislation that will be worthy of consideration as perhaps promoting safety and/or efficiency particularly efficiency in the technological space. Going forward does he see this as an opportunity for unlocking some of the issues that the courts have had logistically in terms of operating oftentimes in a paper-based kind of way requiring physical attendance including in geographical locations where that makes it prohibitively expensive and difficult for literal access to justice in many cases?I wonder if the Minister as well when he's talking about the possible application of the legislation to tribunals—and it appears to me concerning that the Minister doesn't seem to know one way or t'other whether that's the case. We've heard a couple of different versions of that throughout the night and I wonder what he will say next on that. But particularly given the provisions within this bill at clause 3 via the various different schedules and amendments to those handful of Acts how many of those actually have functional audiovisual link and audio link facilities such that the advantages—temporary as they may be—of the bill can actually be enjoyed by users of those tribunals. I'll give him a clue: it's more than 12 and it's also more than 29.Hon KRIS FAAFOI (Minister of Justice): Can I thank the member for his questions and probably ask him not to rely on Mr Goldsmith's numbers there. Can I just in response to his question note that while this is a temporary piece of legislation I think there will be aspects of it that we will look to to ensure we can make changes that are of a more permanent nature. The Government has certainly injected funding into the Ministry of Justice in order to try and deal with some of the backlogs that have eventuated over the last two years and I think some of the initiatives that have come from that we will certainly be able to look at putting in with more permanence. That debate because of the permanence of those settings deserves I think a fuller policy process. Obviously it will possibly take further investment and I won't commit to anything over and above what the Minister of Finance has committed to because that is rather career limiting. But I think there are aspects of what we have done over the last couple of years and aspects of this piece of legislation which can help us improve efficiencies.I would also point out that there have been longstanding efficiency issues with the court processes some of them exacerbated by the previous Government in terms of the Family Court changes and some of them that will necessitate the likes of investment in some of the back-office functions of the Ministry of Justice. Some will also require possibly legislative change in order to make sure that justice can happen more efficiently. Some of them will be practices of practitioners and possibly the Ministry of Justice and the judiciary as well. All of those can be brought together to look at the system—hopefully post-COVID—to make sure that justice can be better served and swifter.