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Vote: Identity (Citizenship and Travel Documents) Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Vote: Identity (Citizenship and Travel Documents) Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:625;Page:20119] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 10 
Green Party 8; Maori Party 1; Other: Robson. 
Noes 105 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand National 25; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 7; United Future 8; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Matt Robson to clause 8 be agreed to: 
to omit the term “8A”. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: The next amendment to clause 8 is in the name of Keith Locke. It is the same as the previous amendment and is out of order. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Matt Robson to clause 8 be agreed to: 
to omit from subparagraph (ii) of section 8(2)(b) the words “was entitled in terms of the Immigration Act 1987 to be in New Zealand indefinitely” and substitute the words “was ordinarily resident in New Zealand”. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Keith Locke to clause 8 be agreed to: 
to omit paragraph (b) from section 8(2) and substitute the following new paragraph: 
(b)That the applicant was throughout the period of 3 years immediately preceding the date of his application ordinarily resident in New Zealand.
Vote: Crimes Amendment Bill (No 2) — In Committee Third Reading 
Vote: Crimes Amendment Bill (No 2) — In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:625;Page:20062] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 46 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 6. 
Noes 71 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2; Maori Party 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Tony Ryall to clause 7 be agreed to: 
to omit from subsection (2) of section 134 the expression “10 years” and substitute the expression “12 years”.
Robertson H V Ross: General Debates 
Robertson H V Ross: General Debates 
[Volume:611;Page:8539] 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: There was nothing improper in Mr Carter approaching me. If there had been then I would have said so at the time.
Vote: Relationships (Statutory References) Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Relationships (Statutory References) Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:624;Page:19135] 
A personal vote was called for on the question  
That clause 2 be agreed to. 
Ayes 74 
Anderton(P) 
Dyson(P) 
Mackey J (P) 
Simich(P) 
Barker(P) 
Ewen-Street(P) 
Mackey M (P) 
Sowry(P) 
Barnett  
Fairbrother(P) 
Maharey(P) 
Sutton (P) 
Benson-Pope(P) 
Fitzsimons(P) 
Mahuta(P) 
Swain 
Beyer(P) 
Gallagher  
Mallard(P) 
Tamihere(P) 
Bradford(P) 
Goff(P) 
Mapp(P) 
Tanczos(P) 
Burton(P) 
Gosche(P) 
McCully(P) 
Tizard(P) 
Carter C (P) 
Hartley(P) 
O'Connor(P) 
Turei(P) 
Chadwick(P) 
Hawkins(P) 
Okeroa  
Ward(P) 
Choudhary(P) 
Hereora(P) 
Parker(P) 
Williamson(P) 
Clark(P) 
Hide (P) 
Peck(P) 
Wilson(P) 
Coddington(P) 
Hobbs  
Pettis(P) 
Wong(P) 
Cosgrove(P) 
Hodgson(P) 
Pillay(P) 
Yates (P) 
Cullen(P) 
Horomia(P) 
Rich(P) 
Cunliffe(P) 
Hunt(P) 
Ririnui(P) 
Dalziel(P) 
Kedgley(P) 
Robertson(P) 
Donald(P) 
Key(P) 
Robson(P) 
Duncan(P) 
King  
Roy(P) 
Dunne(P) 
Laban(P) 
Samuels(P) 
Teller: 
Duynhoven(P) 
Locke(P) 
Shirley(P) 
Hughes  
Noes 46 
Adams(P) 
Donnelly(P) 
Ogilvy(P) 
te Heuheu(P) 
Alexander(P) 
Eckhoff(P) 
Paraone(P) 
Turia(P) 
Ardern(P) 
English(P) 
Perry   
Turner(P) 
Baldock(P) 
Field   
Peters J (P) 
Wang(P) 
Brash(P) 
Franks   
Peters W (P) 
Woolerton(P) 
Brown(P) 
Goudie(P) 
Power(P) 
Worth(P) 
Brownlee(P) 
Gudgeon(P) 
Prebble(P) 
Carter D (P) 
Heatley(P) 
Ryall(P) 
Carter J (P) 
Hutchison(P) 
Scott   
Catchpole(P) 
Jones   
Smith L (P) 
Collins(P) 
Mark   
Smith M 
Connell(P) 
McNair(P) 
Smith N (P) 
Teller: 
Copeland(P) 
Newman(P) 
Stewart(P) 
Tisch   
Clause 2 agreed to.
Vote: Maori Television Service Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Maori Television Service Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:607;Page:5071] 
A party vote was called for on the question That the amendment to the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 69 
Labour 52; Green Party 9; United Future 8. 
Noes 41 
New Zealand National 23; New Zealand First 12; ACT New Zealand 6. 
Amendment to the amendment agreed to.
War Pensions Amendment Bill (No 2) — Instruction to CommitteeCWH 
War Pensions Amendment Bill (No 2) — Instruction to CommitteeCWH 
[Volume:607;Page:4361] 
War Pensions Amendment Bill (No 2) 
Instruction to CommitteeCWH 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY (Minister of Social Services and Employment) 
 on behalf of the 
 Minister of Veterans’ Affairs 
: I move  
That it be an instruction to the Committee of the whole House on the War Pensions Amendment Bill (No 2) that it take the bill part by part and consider any schedules as one question. 
Motion agreed to.
Robertson H V Ross: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Procedure Referral to Health Committee Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Robertson H V Ross: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Procedure Referral to Health Committee Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:610;Page:7932] 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: No it is just for the title. Is there any objection to that course of action being taken? There appears to be none.
Vote: Fisheries Amendment Bill (No 4) — In Committee 
Vote: Fisheries Amendment Bill (No 4) — In Committee 
[Volume:619;Page:14553] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That clause 1 as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 109 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 9 
Green Party 9. 
Clause 1 as amended agreed to.
Vote: Credit Contracts and Consumer Finance Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Credit Contracts and Consumer Finance Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:611;Page:8716] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 48 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8. 
Noes 69 
Labour 52; Green Party 9; United Future 8. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 141 in the name of the Hon Judith Tizard to Part 2 be agreed to.
Dunne Peter: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Dunne Peter: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:619;Page:15155] 
Hon PETER DUNNE (Leader—United Future) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. It is in relation to the issue that occurred during the previous question. Mr Speaker you indicated to the House that you had been advised in advance of a supplementary question being asked that the answer might be slightly longer than normal. I do not want to contest that decision but it raises a couple of issues that I want to draw to your attention in respect of Speaker’s rulings 142/1 and 142/2. 
The problem is that the question that was asked did not bear much relation to the original question. The original question related to the introduction of kahawai into the quota management system and to purse seining; the supplementary question that Mr Fairbrother asked was a much broader question about kahawai and the quota management system in general. My point is that bearing in mind those two Speaker’s rulings it is arguable that the supplementary question should not have been allowed but more so if we are to be in a position whereby a Minister can advise the Speaker in advance that he thinks a supplementary question that he will receive from his colleague might lead him to give a wider answer the process will become hijacked because a very astute Minister could use it simply to say to a colleague: “Get up and ask this question and I will tell the Speaker in advance that the answer will be a little longer than expected and we can completely distort the entire purpose of the original question.” 
I think at that point there are some very serious implications for question time. We do not have questions without notice in this Parliament. I am thinking of a parallel I saw once in the Australian Parliament when Mr Keating managed in a response to a question simply to make a prime ministerial statement that took up the whole of the time allocated. I am concerned that unless we clamp down on this process right now we could well end up with question time being hijacked by Ministers who by virtue of answering supplementary questions make statements that are completely irrelevant to the whole issue at hand.
Barnett Tim: Prostitution Reform Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Barnett Tim: Prostitution Reform Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:607;Page:4450] 
TIM BARNETT (NZ Labour—Christchurch Central) 
: 
 I move  
That it be an instruction to the Committee of the whole House on the Prostitution Reform Bill that it take the bill part by part and consider any schedules as one question 
. 
Motion agreed to.
Pettis Jill: Supreme Court Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Pettis Jill: Supreme Court Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:612;Page:9015] 
JILL PETTIS (Junior Whip—NZ Labour) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Peters Winston: Points of Order — Questions for Written Answer 
Peters Winston: Points of Order — Questions for Written Answer 
[Volume:613;Page:10220] 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I understand the Standing Order but it plainly becomes ridiculous when the name is not of any great particularity other than as it relates to this case. I think I am suffering from obfuscation delay and bloody-mindedness. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I will have a look at the matter as I said.
Vote: Employment Relations Law Reform Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Employment Relations Law Reform Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:620;Page:16146] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 57 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Noes 63 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; Progressive 2; Maori Party 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 273 in the name of Dr Wayne Mapp to section 4A in clause 6A be agreed to.
Vote: Mercenary Activities (Prohibition) Bill — In Committee Third Reading 
Vote: Mercenary Activities (Prohibition) Bill — In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:618;Page:14259] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 2 as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 70 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 48 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8. 
Part 2 as amended agreed to.
Vote: Relationships (Statutory References) Bill — Second Reading 
Vote: Relationships (Statutory References) Bill — Second Reading 
[Volume:624;Page:18995] 
A personal vote was called for on the question  
That the Relationships (Statutory References) Bill be now read a second time 
. 
Ayes 74 
Anderton(P) 
Dyson(P) 
Mackey J (P) 
Simich   
Barker   
Ewen-Street   
Mackey M (P) 
Sowry(P) 
Barnett   
Fairbrother(P) 
Maharey(P) 
Sutton(P) 
Benson-Pope(P) 
Fitzsimons(P) 
Mahuta(P) 
Swain(P) 
Beyer(P) 
Gallagher   
Mallard(P) 
Tamihere(P) 
Bradford(P) 
Goff(P) 
Mapp   
Tanczos 
Burton(P) 
Gosche(P) 
McCully(P) 
Tizard   
Carter C (P) 
Hartley(P) 
O'Connor(P) 
Turei(P) 
Chadwick(P) 
Hawkins   
Okeroa(P) 
Ward(P) 
Choudhary(P) 
Hereora(P) 
Parker(P) 
Williamson(P) 
Clark(P) 
Hide   
Peck(P) 
Wilson(P) 
Coddington   
Hobbs(P) 
Pettis   
Wong(P) 
Cosgrove  (P) 
Hodgson(P) 
Pillay(P) 
Yates 
Cullen(P) 
Horomia(P) 
Rich   
Cunliffe(P) 
Hunt(P) 
Ririnui(P) 
Dalziel   
Kedgley(P) 
Robertson(P) 
Donald   
Key(P) 
Robson(P) 
Duncan(P) 
King(P) 
Roy(P) 
Dunne(P) 
Laban(P) 
Samuels(P) 
Teller: 
Duynhoven(P) 
Locke(P) 
Shirley   
Hughes   
Noes 45 
Adams   
Donnelly(P) 
Perry(P) 
Turia(P) 
Alexander   
Eckhoff(P) 
Peters J (P) 
Turner(P) 
Ardern(P) 
English(P) 
Peters W 
Wang   
Baldock(P) 
Field   
Power   
Woolerton(P) 
Brash(P) 
Franks   
Prebble   
Worth(P) 
Brown   
Goudie(P) 
Ryall(P) 
Brownlee(P) 
Gudgeon(P) 
Scott   
Carter D (P) 
Heatley(P) 
Smith L 
Carter J (P) 
Hutchison   
Smith M (P) 
Catchpole   
Mark(P) 
Smith N 
Collins(P) 
McNair(P) 
Stewart(P) 
Connell(P) 
Ogilvy(P) 
te Heuheu(P) 
Teller: 
Copeland(P) 
Paraone(P) 
Tisch(P) 
Jones
Cullen Michael: Urgency 
Cullen Michael: Urgency 
[Volume:617;Page:13424] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I move  
That urgency be accorded the introduction and passing of the Future Directions (Working for Families) Bill and any bills into which that bill may be divided.  
Urgency is moved in order that certainty can be provided for both the system changes that come into effect on 1 October and the fiscal consequences of the measures contained therein.
Duynhoven Harry: Land Transport (Unauthorised Street and Drag Racing) Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
Duynhoven Harry: Land Transport (Unauthorised Street and Drag Racing) Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
[Volume:607;Page:4614] 
Hon HARRY DUYNHOVEN (Associate Minister of Transport) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I will be very brief but I think it is a matter that needs to be corrected in the House. The impression that has been left by several speakers this evening is that Labour voted against— 
Dail Jones 
: That’s not a point of order! 
Hon HARRY DUYNHOVEN 
: It is a point of order. The Assistant Speaker will determine whether it is a point of order. The issue is about Labour’s vote in 1998 against the impoundment provisions. We made it very clear at the time that it was not about that. We supported the bill. The vote was about the issue of licence costs. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Clem Simich) 
: No that is not a point of order.
Goudie Sandra: Te Runanga o Ngati Awa Bill — Procedure In Committee 
Goudie Sandra: Te Runanga o Ngati Awa Bill — Procedure In Committee 
[Volume:623;Page:18917] 
SANDRA GOUDIE (National—Coromandel) 
: 
 I say in response to that that the point here though is that there is a definition for customary rights but it does not ring-fence the area in question—it makes no reference to the area in question. It actually leaves it open-ended. If it is a customary right I would have thought that that meant regardless of ownership. If it is a customary right to occupy land then because of the tikanga Maori in this regard the current ownership is overridden by that customary right—because the area of land in question has not been specified.
Donald Rod: Overseas Investment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
Donald Rod: Overseas Investment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:626;Page:21581] 
ROD DONALD (Co-Leader—Green) 
: 
 I did indeed give my permission to Mr Locke to sign those amendments.
Brownlee Gerry: General Debates 
Brownlee Gerry: General Debates 
[Volume:609;Page:6570] 
GERRY BROWNLEE (NZ National—Ilam) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. 
Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Is this a new point of order? 
Gerry Brownlee 
: No it’s not. 
Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Mr Brownlee please be seated. 
Gerry Brownlee 
: No. 
Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Please be seated. I have dealt with that matter. I remind members that raising points of order when I have ruled on the point of order is in itself disorderly. I call the Hon Matt Robson.
Peck Mark: Maori Fisheries Bill — In Committee 
Peck Mark: Maori Fisheries Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:620;Page:15611] 
MARK PECK (Labour—Invercargill) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Dunne Peter: Speaker’s Rulings — Questions for Oral Answer—Ministers' Replies 
Dunne Peter: Speaker’s Rulings — Questions for Oral Answer—Ministers' Replies 
[Volume:620;Page:15446] 
Hon PETER DUNNE (Leader—United Future) 
: 
 I was going to raise this as a separate point of order but I think the ground Mr Prebble has covered leads neatly into the point I was going to address. Your ruling really restates what we have known for some considerable time and that is as it should be. But it would useful to know how you now intend to enforce that ruling in terms of the way questions are asked. That picks up on Mr Prebble’s point about answers that are part-answers or answers to a different question from the one that was asked. 
It seems to me that there can be no real objection to the notion that the Minister is the one responsible for the quality of the answer not the Speaker but because we have the provision in the Standing Orders about the question being addressed that is where the conflict emerges. I think it would be quite useful in terms of this particular discussion if you were able to give the House a ruling either now or separately on how you intend to enforce the ruling you have just brought down because I believe that is really what people are seeking. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I will take a final comment from Dr Cullen.
Dalziel Lianne: Holidays Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Dalziel Lianne: Holidays Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:614;Page:10550] 
Hon LIANNE DALZIEL (Minister of Commerce) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Vote: Criminal Justice Amendment Bill (No 7) — In Committee 
Vote: Criminal Justice Amendment Bill (No 7) — In Committee 
[Volume:612;Page:9544] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments to the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 69 
New Zealand Labour 52; Green Party 9; United Future 8. 
Noes 46 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 6. 
Amendments to the amendments agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 161 in the name of the Hon Phil Goff as amended be agreed to.
Shirley Ken: Voting — Correction; General Debates 
Shirley Ken: Voting — Correction; General Debates 
[Volume:608;Page:5702] 
Hon KEN SHIRLEY (Deputy Leader—ACT NZ) 
: 
 I did not hear the comment but it makes it worse to find that the member did use those words and that he directed them at me. If he did and he is nodding his head confirming that I certainly take offence. He should stand withdraw and apologise.
Barker Rick: Corrections Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Procedure 
Barker Rick: Corrections Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:617;Page:13039] 
Hon RICK BARKER (Minister for Courts) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Hunt Jonathan: Shop Trading Hours Act Repeal Act (Abolition of Restrictions) Amendment Bill — Consideration of Report of Commerce Committee 
Hunt Jonathan: Shop Trading Hours Act Repeal Act (Abolition of Restrictions) Amendment Bill — Consideration of Report of Commerce Committee 
[Volume:617;Page:12652] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The question is that the House take note of the report. Just before I put the vote I understand that there has been a request to have leave taken for a split party vote to occur. Is there any objection to that course being followed? There is not. The question is that the amendments recommended by the Commerce Committee by majority be agreed to. Those in favour say Aye to the contrary No. Neither side has it. I shall ask the Clerk to call each party to declare its numbers.
Vote: Public Finance (State Sector Management) Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Public Finance (State Sector Management) Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:622;Page:17940] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That schedule 8 as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 70 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 50 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 9; Maori Party 1. 
Schedule 8 as amended agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 315 in the name of the Hon Dr Michael Cullen to schedule 9 be agreed to.
Hunt Jonathan: Speaker’s Statements — Sound System 
Hunt Jonathan: Speaker’s Statements — Sound System 
[Volume:615;Page:10781] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I advise members that the new speaker system is now in operation. 
Gerry Brownlee 
: Well we still can’t hear you! 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I can assure the member that the microphones are working—and I will make sure that we look at the other part of it too. The microphones can now be moved just slightly—and I emphasise ever so slightly—towards the person speaking. Mr Ward should note that he could move his microphone forwards. I ask members to treat them carefully because they are expensive. 
Before we move to the Prime Minister’s statement I point out that as members will know the statement had to be issued to other parties and therefore the Prime Minister has to read from prepared text. I expect there to be no interjections. In addition I expect the speeches of party leaders to be heard in silence out of respect. Of course if a member’s own colleagues want to make comment then obviously I am not going to stop that. But as far as interjections are concerned while speeches are being heard— 
Hon Richard Prebble 
: I’m a colleague and friend of the Prime Minister! Surely I can. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Mr Prebble is chancing his arm on the first day as he usually does but I am going to ignore it. I just want to say that that is the way this debate will proceed.
Cullen Michael: Business Statement 
Cullen Michael: Business Statement 
[Volume:423;Page:18525] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 Yes I am hopeful the House will be able to deal with the Committee stage of that bill without urgency at all.
Hunt Jonathan: Retirements — Ombudsman—Judge Anand Satyanand 
Hunt Jonathan: Retirements — Ombudsman—Judge Anand Satyanand 
[Volume:623;Page:18495] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: We agreed in the Business Committee that I would put the motion but that before doing so as the Speaker of Parliament I would be able to say just a couple of words. I want to say this has been a very great privilege—and Mr Satyanand is sitting in the gallery today—and I am very much appreciative of it. I know what a great servant of New Zealand he has been. I know how well he has carried out his duties as an officer of Parliament and I can say that as Speaker I have had only respect and admiration for the work that he has done. 
Motion agreed to.
Brownlee Gerry: Urgency 
Brownlee Gerry: Urgency 
[Volume:622;Page:17686] 
GERRY BROWNLEE (Deputy Leader—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. My question to you is: how can it not be a point of order? Surely a political party has a right to choose whether it belongs to a special select committee. The National Party will not be joining this select committee and we have made that abundantly clear as well. Even if this House were to muster enough votes to put the committee together on this basis we will not be there. Why is it that this has to be done under urgency and how is it that a Government can propose a nomination like this? 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The member should read the Standing Orders. It is a matter for debate when the House gets to that motion. It is not a point or order.
Mark Ron: Corrections Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Mark Ron: Corrections Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:617;Page:13157] 
RON MARK (NZ First) 
: 
 I move  
That the Speaker be recalled 
. 
House resumed.
Mallard Trevor: General Debates 
Mallard Trevor: General Debates 
[Volume:616;Page:11931] 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Minister of Education) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. I am sure you heard as all members heard that you were abused by the deputy leader of the National Party as he left the Chamber after you had ruled he should leave. I submit to you that he should be recalled to the Chamber to apologise for the abuse he gave as he left.
Vote: Public Finance (State Sector Management) Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Public Finance (State Sector Management) Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:622;Page:17950] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the motion be agreed to. 
Ayes 70 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 50 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 9; Maori Party 1. 
Motion agreed to.
Carter John: Offices of Parliament—Address to Governor-General 
Carter John: Offices of Parliament—Address to Governor-General 
[Volume:616;Page:12429] 
JOHN CARTER (Senior Whip—National) 
: 
 Just very briefly I point out that these matters of course have been considered by the appropriate select committees. Although one or two issues were raised by members from the National Party to a large extent they have been addressed. There are some issues with regard to one or two of the votes but of course it is recognised that they need to be passed prior to the Budget being presented so the National Party will support their progress. 
Motion agreed to and Address agreed to.
Points of Order — Questions for Written Answer—System Breakdown 
Points of Order — Questions for Written Answer—System Breakdown 
[Volume:622;Page:18095] 
Points of Order 
Questions for Written Answer—System Breakdown 
SIMON POWER (Senior Whip—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I am seeking some guidance from you. I understand from correspondence that has just been passed to me that a problem has been identified with the system for lodging questions for written answer. I am advised that the system is presently refusing to accept questions when they are signed electronically by members. The text completely disappears and repeated attempts to enter the questions have ended in the same result. Bearing in mind the very vague possibility that this could be the last day to lodge written questions two issues arise. Firstly what remedy is available to members who are presently and have previously been involved in lodging written questions for the next sitting day which presumably will not be until February? Secondly what consequence does that have for the time limits around lodging those questions prior to the House rising—whether that be Saturday Tuesday or Wednesday of next week? The question arises as to what remedies are being made available to members particularly as we are nearing the end of the year. I seek the Speaker’s guidance to members who are presently attempting to lodge questions as to how that process will pan out. In particular I seek an assurance that they will not be disadvantaged by what appears to be from the correspondence I have seen a problem with the system. I seek your guidance. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Clem Simich) 
: I thank the member for raising that. It is a technical issue and it is being worked on right at this moment. The intention is not to inconvenience or disadvantage members at all. As to my advice to members I think they should just proceed along their normal course. 
SIMON POWER (Senior Whip—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I wonder whether it would be appropriate for the Speaker to advise the House when that process has been remedied and in particular to emphasise the fact that no member will be disadvantaged as a result of the glitch. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Clem Simich) 
: Absolutely. That information will be given as soon as we can which will be in the not too distant future.
Cullen Michael: Business of Select Committees — Reporting Dates Membership 
Cullen Michael: Business of Select Committees — Reporting Dates Membership 
[Volume:607;Page:4189] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I seek leave for Sue Bradford to be a member of the Commerce Committee for the purposes of its consideration of the Status of Redundancy Payments Bill but without the right to vote on any question before the committee. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Is there any objection to that course being followed? There appears to be none.
Vote: Climate Change Response Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Vote: Climate Change Response Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:625;Page:20412] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Climate Change Response Amendment Bill be now read a first time. 
Ayes 70 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 8; United Future 8; Progressive 2; Maori Party 1. 
Noes 49 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 9. 
Bill read a first time.
Vote: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Procedure Referral to Health Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled  Speaker Recalled In Committee Procedure 
Vote: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Procedure Referral to Health Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled  Speaker Recalled In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:613;Page:10007] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 64 
New Zealand Labour 52; New Zealand National 3; Green Party 9. 
Noes 53 
New Zealand National 24; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 7; United Future 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Amendment agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment to new section 23A(3) in clause 8A set out on Supplementary Order Paper 120 and the amendment to insert new section 23A(1A) in clause 8A set out on Supplementary Order Paper 134 in the name of Steve Chadwick and the following amendment to new section 23A(1)(h) be agreed to: 
to omit proposed new section 23A(1)(h) of the principal Act and substitute the following paragraph: 
(h)there is displayed at each point of sale where tobacco products are exposed for sale a rectangular sign with its longer sides horizontal and its shorter sides vertical and the message ‘SMOKING KILLS Ka mate koeitekaihikareti’ printed in black across it— 
(i)within a black rectangular border that is no wider than an upper case letter ‘i’ in the point size used for the words ‘SMOKING KILLS’; and 
(ii)on a white background within that border; and 
(iii)in the type face known as Helvetica; and 
(iv)in roman font; and 
(v)with the words ‘SMOKING KILLS’ printed centred in upper case letters in one line; and 
(vi)with the words ‘Ka mate koeitekaihikareti’ printed centred in upper case and lower case letters (as it is printed in this subparagraph) in one line— 
(A)beneath the words ‘SMOKING KILLS’; and 
(B)in a point size such that its risers are two-thirds the height of the words ‘SMOKING KILLS’; and 
(vii)in a type that is clear and legible of normal weight and of such a point size that the words ‘Ka mate koeitekaihikareti’ do not touch the vertical elements of the border but as nearly as possible take up the full width of the sign between them.
Copeland Gordon: Public Finance (State Sector Management) Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume 
Copeland Gordon: Public Finance (State Sector Management) Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Sitting date: 14 December 2004. Volume:622;Page:17886. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
GORDON COPELAND (United Future) 
: 
 I was grateful in a funny kind of way to Pansy Wong for waking us up at this hour of the night to talk a little bit about the reference she managed to find in the Public Finance (State Sector Management) Bill to the Families Commission. Then she went on to talk about the fact that she could not quite remember how the family was defined in the Families Commission Act so I thought I would take a call to refresh her memory of that definition because it just so happens that I have the definition with me. For Pansy Wong’s information this is the definition of “family”: “family includes a group of people related by marriage blood or adoption an extended family 2 or more persons living together as a family and a whanau or other culturally recognised family group.” So I hope the member might find some time to write down the definition because she has brought it up several times in the Chamber and she manages to get it completely wrong every time. I thought it would be a good idea to get it on the record once and for all.
Vote: Public Finance (State Sector Management) Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume 
Vote: Public Finance (State Sector Management) Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Sitting date: 14 December 2004. Volume:622;Page:17873. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 70 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 49 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 9. 
Amendments agreed to.
Cullen Michael: Business Statement 
Cullen Michael: Business Statement 
[Volume:610;Page:7291] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 Next week in the House the main items of business will be the remaining stages of the State Sector Amendment Bill; the first readings of the Diplomatic Privileges and Immunities Amendment Bill the Lawyers and Conveyancers Bill the Railways Bill and the Civil Aviation Amendment Bill; and the second reading of the Crown Minerals Amendment Bill. Wednesday is a members’ day. Moana Mackey will be sworn in on Tuesday and it is expected that her maiden speech will be on Wednesday.
Vote: Radio New Zealand Amendment Bill — In Committee Third Reading 
Vote: Radio New Zealand Amendment Bill — In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:616;Page:12252] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That clause 3 be agreed to. 
Ayes 70 
New Zealand Labour 52; Green Party 8; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 48 
New Zealand National 26; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Clause 3 agreed to. 
Bill reported with amendment.
Vote: Estimates Debate —  
Vote: Estimates Debate —  
[Volume:610;Page:7203] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That Vote Health be agreed to. 
Ayes 60 
Labour 52; United Future 8. 
Noes 47 
New Zealand National 26; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8. 
Abstentions 9 
Green Party 9. 
Vote agreed to.
Vote: Public Finance (State Sector Management) Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Public Finance (State Sector Management) Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:622;Page:17920] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 62 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; Progressive 2. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 9; United Future 8. 
Amendment agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Rod Donald to clause 199 be agreed to: 
to insert in subclause (5) after the words “registered bank” the words “or registered building society”.
Brownlee Gerry: Urgent Debates Declined — Tariana Turia—Ministerial Dismissal 
Brownlee Gerry: Urgent Debates Declined — Tariana Turia—Ministerial Dismissal 
[Volume:617;Page:12554] 
GERRY BROWNLEE (Deputy Leader—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. Can you tell us how under the Standing Orders a debate on the seabed and foreshore will enable Opposition parties to discuss Tariana Turia’s dismissal given that they have only six speeches amongst them—and of course one Opposition party supports the Government from time to time. 
 It seems to me that the circumstances surrounding her dismissal are quite considerable. They lead quite unusually in terms of the last two Parliaments to a very precarious position for the Government unlike any of the other ministerial resignations or terminations. This resignation has gone further and causes a by-election. For a Parliament to be denied a right to express some views on this matter I think is quite unacceptable.
Yates Dianne: Diplomatic Privileges and Immunities Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Yates Dianne: Diplomatic Privileges and Immunities Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:615;Page:11261] 
DIANNE YATES (Labour—Hamilton East) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Fairbrother Russell: Transport Legislation Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Fairbrother Russell: Transport Legislation Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:621;Page:16909] 
RUSSELL FAIRBROTHER (Labour—Napier) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Pillay Lynne: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Pillay Lynne: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:617;Page:12550] 
10.  
LYNNE PILLAY (Labour—Waitakere) 
 to the  
Minister of Education 
: What would be the key elements of a voucher funding system for education? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Minister of Education) 
: 
 Vouchers are an extreme right-wing form of user-pays where each parent is given what is effectively a deposit for his or her child’s education and that parent can spend it at any public or private school he or she chooses. Under a voucher system schools run like small businesses and parents who can afford to top up their voucher with their own money get access to the most desirable schools. Of course most voucher systems do not include a capital element. Schools currently cost about $15000 to $20000 per student to build. That would of course be an extra charge to parents—something poor parents would have a lot of trouble paying. 
Lynne Pillay 
: Has he seen any reports advocating the introduction of voucher funding for education? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: I have seen reports both ways. I have seen a report from the Hon Nick Smith in which he said: “The flaw in the scheme is that parental choice would depend on wallet size. Schools would rapidly become stratified based on fee size and free public education would be dead.” But then again Bill English and Don Brash are supporting vouchers. 
Hon Bill English 
: Can the Minister tell us why he has decided to attack voucher systems when our education system in New Zealand largely runs on vouchers? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: I want to make it absolutely clear to the House that because one happens to give teachers—based on roll size—operational grants based on numbers in a school does not mean that one has a voucher system. A voucher system’s key element is the ability of parents to top up to get their child into the school they want. That is what those Tories are advocating. 
Jim Peters 
: Does the Minister agree that our present system both primary and secondary does not need a cash value passport or an individual voucher to ensure educational access opportunities for all New Zealand children? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: Yes I do. 
Hon Bill English 
: If the Minister is concerned about top-ups from parents to school funding is he not aware that New Zealand schools currently employ 3700 teachers in addition to those for whom he pays their salary and that the average secondary school pulls in $200000 per year in parental fees and community fund-raising—and that is leaving out the international students who are contributing up to $1 million of revenue to many State schools? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: There is no doubt that there is considerable fund-raising by schools but in fact the extra amount paid by schools for teachers is less than the amount that the Government pays to them in operational grants.
Hutchison Paul: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Hutchison Paul: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:613;Page:10235] 
10.  
Dr PAUL HUTCHISON (National—Port Waikato) 
 to the  
Minister for Crown Research Institutes 
: Will he work with AgResearch to ensure the internationally recognised Wallaceville research facility stays open beyond 2008 in its existing state; if not why not? 
Hon PETE HODGSON (Minister for Crown Research Institutes) 
: 
 I have been in close communication with the board of AgResearch regarding its plans to progressively relocate staff from Wallaceville. The board is still in discussions with staff and with other research organisations about relocation options and it is too early to be sure of the precise outcome. 
Dr Paul Hutchison 
: Why does the Minister let even a shadow of closure hang over the scientists and staff when Wallaceville has a proven track record of excellence has formed viable business clusters and has a huge potential for growth and when business leaders and scientists describe the closure plan as fatally flawed? 
Hon PETE HODGSON 
: I freely acknowledge that world-class science goes on at Wallaceville especially amongst some teams but the member has overlooked the advantages of a progressive relocation—for example he may wish to reflect on the fact that there is a strong science case to locate animal health research next to New Zealand’s only veterinary teaching facility. On the other hand the work of Dr Ken McNatty for example will remain in Wellington. 
Mark Peck 
: Does the Minister have confidence in the board of AgResearch in the way it has handled this matter? 
Hon PETE HODGSON 
: I most certainly do. Changes such as those planned at Wallaceville are difficult for the staff and the community to adjust to but I am satisfied that the board of AgResearch is working through this issue carefully and under the careful scrutiny of the very vigilant member for Rimutaka. 
Dr Paul Hutchison 
: If the Minister is committed to the Government’s growth and biotechnology strategies why is he supporting the closure of a successful and viable institution that has been built up over 100 years and why is he prepared to see all that valuable institutional knowledge destroyed at the stroke ofpen? 
Hon PETE HODGSON 
: The gentleman chooses to use polemic. He ought not. There is no destruction going on. This is a rebuilding of science and there is a concentration of excellence in a fewer number of sites except that Wallaceville—[ 
Interruption 
] OK members do not want to know the answer. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The Minister will carry on. 
Hon PETE HODGSON 
: Except that Wallaceville does have a future and the precise future of Wallaceville and who will be part of it is still to be worked through.
Jones Dail: Foreshore and Seabed Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Jones Dail: Foreshore and Seabed Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:621;Page:16995] 
DAIL JONES (Junior Whip—NZ First) 
: 
 I think that even someone like Mike Ward a member of this House would know that it was always intended to have two Acts of Parliament— 
Metiria Turei 
: Point of order— 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: There is a point of order already on the floor.  
DAIL JONES 
: I am responding to a point but I apologise to the member: I did not mean what I said to be so harsh. I meant that any first-term member as opposed to Mr Shirley who has been in Parliament for about six or seven terms would know that when a bill contains amendments to the Resource Management Act—as this one contains in Part 5—a procedural motion would always be moved later on in the debate to have two bills. In this case one would be a Foreshore and Seabed Bill and the other would be a bill to amend the Resource Management Act. That has always been the case. Mr Shirley has also been a member of the select committee and if he does not know that then we can understand what a hopeless case he and the National Party have been presenting today. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: That is not a debating issue. The member has made his point well.
Mackey Janet: Transport Legislation Bill — Second Reading 
Mackey Janet: Transport Legislation Bill — Second Reading 
[Volume:621;Page:16742] 
JANET MACKEY (Labour—East Coast) 
: 
 I have listened with interest to some of the contributions made this afternoon and I would like to say that in the East Coast electorate we are probably not calling out for a large additional number of either buses or bicycles. What we would like to have is some legislation that addresses the problem we have: an increase in the number of logging trucks and the inability of our roads to deal with what is very much a new use of them. The people of the East Coast welcome this legislation as the Government’s response to the needs of the transport industry not only in areas like Auckland but also in rural areas like the East Coast. We are very happy to support the legislation.
Vote: Injury Prevention Rehabilitation and Compensation Amendment Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Injury Prevention Rehabilitation and Compensation Amendment Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:609;Page:6511] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put 
. 
Ayes 69 
Labour 52; Green Party 9; United Future 8. 
Noes 44 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 12; ACT New Zealand 5. 
Motion agreed to.
Wilson Margaret: Speaker’s Rulings — Parliament Buildings—Media Access 
Wilson Margaret: Speaker’s Rulings — Parliament Buildings—Media Access 
[Volume:625;Page:20304] 
Madam SPEAKER 
: I thank the member for his observation. I have had several complaints from members of several different parties on this matter. In terms of the refurbishment of the building the primary considerations are health and safety issues and the accommodation of the media to be able to have access for interviews. Copies of this ruling will be available to all members.
Laban Luamanuvao Winnie: Tariff (New Zealand - Thailand Closer Economic Partnership) Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
Laban Luamanuvao Winnie: Tariff (New Zealand - Thailand Closer Economic Partnership) Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:626;Page:21428] 
LUAMANUVAO WINNIE LABAN (Labour—Mana) 
: 
 I seek leave to table the letter from the New Zealand Horticulture Export Authority the chief executive of the New Zealand Fruitgrowers Association and the New Zealand Vegetable and Potato Growers Federation to the Foreign Affairs Defence and Trade Committee to support the New Zealand - Thailand closer economic partnership agreement. 
Document by leave laid on the Table of the House.
Points of Order — Urgent Debates—Local Government Elections 
Points of Order — Urgent Debates—Local Government Elections 
[Volume:621;Page:16233] 
Points of Order 
Urgent Debates—Local Government Elections 
PETER BROWN (Senior Whip—NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. My colleague Jim Peters put in a letter twice last week on this very issue. I am seeking your guidance. If he puts in a letter tomorrow is there any chance of a debate—noting the Minister’s answers in question time? 
Mr SPEAKER 
: No.
Vote: Wool Industry Restructuring Bill — Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
Vote: Wool Industry Restructuring Bill — Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:609;Page:7121] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 20 
New Zealand First 13; Green Party 7. 
Noes 86 
Labour 52; New Zealand National 20; ACT New Zealand 6; United Future 8. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of R Doug Woolerton to clause 16 be agreed to: 
to omit this clause.
Simich Clem: Misuse of Drugs Amendment Bill (No 3) — In Committee Third Reading 
Simich Clem: Misuse of Drugs Amendment Bill (No 3) — In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:626;Page:21498] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich) 
: This debate includes debate on schedule 4.
Field Taito Phillip: Maori Fisheries Bill — In Committee 
Field Taito Phillip: Maori Fisheries Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:620;Page:15613] 
Hon TAITO PHILLIP FIELD (Minister of State) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put.