Volume 682 Week 17 - Thursday 26 July 2012 
Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume 
Volume 682 Week 17 - Thursday 26 July 2012 
[Sitting date: 26 July 2012. Volume:682;Page:4009. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Thursday 26 July 2012 
Mr Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Karakia 
. 
Business Statement 
Hon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON (Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations) 
 on behalf of the Leader of the House: In the absence of both the Leader of the House and the Deputy Leader of the House I am required to read this statement to the House. I do apologise. I have not had time to memorise it. When the House resumes on Tuesday 31 July—[ 
Interruption 
] never call me petulant—the Government will look to progress the Committee stage of the Biosecurity Law Reform Bill the Juries (Jury Service and Protection of Particulars of Jury List Information) Amendment Bill the Commerce Commission (International Co-operation and Fees) Bill the Sentencing (Aggravating Factors) Amendment Bill and the Appropriation (2012/13 Estimates) Bill. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I call the honourable shadow Leader of the House who will not need to read it at all. 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 In the absence of my friend and colleague Russel Norman I will not read a response. 
Questions to Ministers 
Infrastructure Investment Programme—Progress 
1. 
Dr CAM CALDER (National) 
 to the  
Minister of Finance 
: What progress is the Government making with its multi-billion dollar infrastructure programme? 
Hon BILL ENGLISH (Minister of Finance) 
: 
 Our progress on infrastructure is good. We have invested $5 billion in infrastructure such as schools broadband and hospitals over the last four Budgets and billions more upgrading our State highway networks and the national grid. The first road of national significance project Victoria Park Tunnel has been completed and there is good progress on the rest. We have upgraded on average over 16000 State houses a year since 2009 and are on track to insulate every State house built before 1978 by the end of the year. Of course we have put aside $5.5 billion to help fund the rebuild of Christchurch infrastructure which is getting under way. 
Dr Cam Calder 
: What steps has the Government taken to improve the quality of its infrastructure investment? 
Hon BILL ENGLISH 
: Well that is a good question because just having more infrastructure is one aspect of it but having high-quality infrastructure is in the long run more important. We have improved the way the Government makes its own plans and the way it gets consents and finances its infrastructure through the reform of the Resource Management Act setting up the National Infrastructure Unit and setting up the Environmental Protection Authority. This has introduced more discipline into the Government process. Last year we issued the second National Infrastructure Plan which shows that our infrastructure is generally improving but it does highlight those areas where we need to do a better job. 
Dr Cam Calder 
: How will the Government fund its large infrastructure investment? 
Hon BILL ENGLISH 
: The planned investment over the next 4 years is large at around $17 billion. This will be paid for through a mixture of funding sources. Some of it of course will come from petrol tax and road-user charges on the roads some will come from depreciation and a considerable amount will come from direct funding from the Government. The direct funding from the Government will be channelled through the Future Investment Fund which was set up to take the proceeds of the partial share sales and invest those in future publicly owned infrastructure. Treasury is forecasting sale proceeds of $5 billion to $7 billion over the next 3 to 5 years and this will assist with a $17 billion infrastructure investment programme. 
Hon David Parker 
: Does he agree with the 52 percent of business leaders in the  
New Zealand Herald 
’s 
“Mood of the Boardroom” survey that other than returning to surplus the Government has no adequate plan to encourage the economic growth and jobs needed to stop so many young New Zealanders moving to Australia? 
Hon Steven Joyce 
: Oh so not enough plans today? So we have changed from too many plans again. 
Hon BILL ENGLISH 
: No I do not and as my colleague Steven Joyce has pointed out the Labour Party cannot decide—on some days there are too many plans and on the other days there is no plan. We have outlined the programme outlined the plan including to the “Mood of the Boardroom” session this morning. I can tell the member that it has pretty broad support among the business community. 
Overseas Investment Rules—2010 Sale of Crafar Farms to Natural Dairy 
2. 
RICHARD PROSSER (NZ First) 
 to the  
Minister for Land Information 
: Can the public have confidence that the Overseas Investment Office is taking prompt action in relation to all breaches of the Overseas Investment Act 2005; if so how? 
Hon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON (Acting Minister for Land Information) 
: 
 Yes. The Overseas Investment Office promptly investigates all suspected breaches of the Overseas Investment Act 2005. I have some good news for that honourable member: in the period 1 July 2011 to 30 June 2012 100 percent—100 percent—of public alerts about potential breaches were assessed for possible investigation within 10 working days. 
Richard Prosser 
: Given that answer will he tell the House what action the Overseas Investment Office has taken in respect of the four Crafar farms sold to an overseas investor without consent; or alternatively will he explain why no action has been taken? 
Hon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON 
: I do not have particular information about particular applications or particular concerns to hand. If the member wants an answer to a particular question I suggest he either ask it as the primary question or put it down as a written question to the Minister. 
Richard Prosser 
: How can the public have confidence in the Overseas Investment Office when UBNZ Assets Holdings a company associated with May Wang who failed a good-character test was able to purchase four of the Crafar farms without permission and get away with it? 
Hon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON 
: The same principle applies: if the member wants direct answers to specific questions he should either ask them as a primary question or put them down as a written question. 
Brendan Horan 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. Did we not determine a number of weeks ago that if a Minister did not know the answer the Minister should simply say that they do not know the answer? 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Well I think the Minister basically said that but he was a little more helpful in suggesting that maybe if members want detailed information in answers they need to make it clear in the primary question what they are asking. I do not think the Minister was being unhelpful. 
New Zealand - Australia Migration—18 to 30 Age Range 
3. 
Hon DAVID PARKER (Labour) 
 to the  
Minister of Finance 
: Does he stand by his statement regarding migration to Australia “What’s the point of standing in the airport crying about it?”; if so how many of the 53763 people that migrated to Australia in the year to June 2012 are from 18 to 30 years of age in number and percentage terms? 
Hon BILL ENGLISH (Minister of Finance) 
: 
 Yes; and as I said in the rest of that statement we have just got to compete. New Zealand should show the aspiration and confidence that it can compete with a larger more wealthy economy for our young people’s talent instead of just worrying about it. So 21585 people aged 18 to 30 migrated to Australia in the year to June 2012—about 40 percent of the total. I note that in the 9 years to June 2008 when economic conditions were more benign 305800 New Zealanders left for Australia and around 36 percent of them were aged 18 to 30. 
Hon David Parker 
: Does he agree with the findings of the  
New Zealand Herald 
 “Mood of the Boardroom” survey which found that out of eight critical issues his Government has performed worst on stemming the outward flow of Kiwis? 
Hon BILL ENGLISH 
: No and as I suggested to the large group of business leaders in the room it is up to them to compete for that talent by showing the leadership and the opportunities to our young New Zealanders. If they are waiting around for someone to do that on their behalf then they can rely on this Government to create positive conditions but it is in the workplaces of New Zealand that young people will see the opportunities that attract them. It is time we showed the confidence that we can compete with Australia. 
Hon David Parker 
: Does he think it is sustainable to lose 21000 people per annum to Australia—the equivalent of the entire student body of Otago or Victoria universities? 
Hon BILL ENGLISH 
: I do not think that is going to continue because the relative economic performance of New Zealand and Australia is starting to close the gap. If we persist with the Government’s broad-based economic programme to create jobs and opportunities and fix problems like housing affordability then we will be able to compete with Australia for our young talent. That is better than telling our young people that the Government is going to waste more of their money borrow more and not support the businesses that provide their jobs—which is Labour’s policy. 
Hon David Parker 
: When he said yesterday that migration rates are correlated to growth rates does the fact that New Zealand experienced the highest number ever of people migrating to Australia in a 12-month period signify that he has failed in his goal of growing the New Zealand economy and instead is growing the Australian economy by sending 20000 young New Zealanders there a year? 
Hon BILL ENGLISH 
: No what it signifies is that Australia has had a once-in-a-100-year increase in its income because of its coal and iron-ore boom. That gave Australia higher growth rates—for a short time—than New Zealand’s. We would expect that as our own programme starts to have a positive impact on the New Zealand economy those flows will change. 
Hon David Parker 
: Given that young people are leaving in droves to Australia what plans does he have to ensure the long-term sustainability of superannuation given the changing age profile particularly in light of the fact that 88 percent of the chief executive officers in the “Mood of the Boardroom” survey said that National is completely on the wrong side and out to lunch on the issue of raising the age of eligibility for superannuation? 
Hon BILL ENGLISH 
: The most important thing for New Zealand superannuation is a thriving economy. If we do not have a thriving economy then in the future superannuitants will not have adequate superannuation. That is why we are focusing on encouraging businesses to invest and employ. We are focusing on using our natural resources through oil and gas exploration and mining and on supporting our primary industries so they can be more competitive on the global stage—all of which are policies that the Opposition oppose. 
Child Poverty—Effect on Maori Children 
4. 
METIRIA TUREI (Co-Leader—Green) 
 to the  
Minister of Maori Affairs 
: Ka whakaae a ia ki ta te Kaikomihana Whanaungata a-Iwi a Joris De Bres i ki ra “Many Maori children are being denied their basic human rights because of poverty and inadequate public services”? 
[ 
Does he agree with Race Relations Commissioner Joris De Bres that “Many Maori children are being denied their basic human rights because of poverty and inadequate public services”? 
] 
Hon Dr PITA SHARPLES (Minister of Maori Affairs) 
: 
 Tena koe kai te Kaiwhakawa. Tena koe Metiria i patai mai i tena patai he patai nui tenei te poharatanga e pa ana ki a tatau iwi. Anei ra taku—ahakoa ko wai te tangata he pakeke he tamaiti ranei mehemea ka noho pohara ka noho ia i te kore mana. 
[ 
Thank you Mr Speaker and to you Metiria who asked that question which is an important one about this poverty that affects our people. This poverty relating to our people is a big one. My view on it is that it does not matter who the person is an adult or a child when one is impoverished one loses status. 
] 
Hon Trevor Mallard 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. In the translation—and I think in fact directly—the Minister breached Standing Orders in the way that he addressed a member of the House. I think it is important even when one is speaking in Maori that the same standards apply. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I hear what the member is saying but I do not believe that it was intentionally unfair or unkind. I think the member was actually acknowledging a fellow colleague in a warm way and I would not like to interfere in that although I accept the member’s point that we should refer to all members by their full names. But on this occasion I would not like to interfere because I do not think the member involved took offence anyway at being referred to in that manner. 
Hon Trevor Mallard 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. Thank you Lockwood. 
Metiria Turei 
: Does the Minister consider it acceptable that one-third of all Maori children live in poverty and that the Government has failed to address inequality thereby condemning these Maori children to a life of sickness hardship and underachievement? 
Hon Dr PITA SHARPLES 
: A e maha atu nga tamariki e noho pohara ana. Kare au e tautoko ana ki tena. Na reira na tena na te tono o te Pati Maori kua whakaturia e te Kawanatanga tetahi komiti kia titiro ki enei mea te poharatanga kei roto i te iwi. Ko te Prime Minister Tuarua te heamana a ko Tariana Turia te heamana tuarua. Atu ki tena i raro i taku mahi mo Te Puni Kokiri me te mahi o Whanau Ora he maha nga umanga kua whakaturia e matau kia whakamama ai te poharatanga kei roto i to tatau iwi. 
[ 
There are many children living in poverty and I do not agree with that. Because of that and the request by the Maori Party Government established a committee to look at these things that affect poverty in our people. The Deputy Prime Minister is the chair and Tariana Turia is the deputy chair. Beyond that and through my work with Te Puni Kokiri and the role of Whanau Ora many enterprises have been established to ease poverty amongst our people. 
] 
Hon Nanaia Mahuta 
: He aha te whakatau o te Minita kia taea nga whanau Maori me a ratau tamariki he putea oranga ina e noho ana tetahi hautoru Maori i te pohara me te rawakore me te tokomaha o nga tamariki e haumaru ana i te matua kotahi? He aha nga kaupapa pai mo enei tamariki ki nga kura auraki? 
[ 
What decision has the Minister come to that will enable Maori families and their children to receive a health-based fund given that one-third of Maori are poor and destitute where a sole parent looks after many children? What positive schemes are there for these children in mainstream schools? 
] 
Hon Dr PITA SHARPLES 
: He maha nga umanga kua whakaturia e matau i roto i te taha mo te matauranga kei roto i nga kura i roto i nga whanau e noho pohara kei roto i nga kainga. Naku i whakatu e 70 nga kaimahi e mahi ana kei roto i nga whanau nga hapori. Ma ratau e mahi ana i te 600 whanau ki te tautoko i a ratau i roto i to ratau poharatanga me a matau mahi Mara Kai. Kua tukuna atu ki te iwi e 300 mara kai kua tukuna atu ki te iwi me era atu ahuatanga. E pai ana te patai koina ta matau. 
[ 
We have established several enterprises in terms of education in schools and in families living in poverty. I have established 70 positions for people to work within families and communities. They worked alongside 600 families to support them through their state of impoverishment. We have our Mara Kai initiative—we granted 300 vegetable gardens to tribes—and other schemes. It is a good question and that is our position on it. 
] 
Hon Nanaia Mahuta 
: He take wero tenei Mr Speaker. Ko te tino ngako o taku patai e pa ana ki nga kaupapa kei roto i nga kura auraki mo enei tamariki pohara enei tamariki rawakore. 
[ 
I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. The gist of my question related to initiatives in mainstream schools for children living in poverty. 
] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Order! The member’s question was somewhat longer than that and being a supplementary question the Minister is not required to answer just the last part of the question. Even though the question may have been in Te Reo the same rules apply to the answering of the question. The question covered more than just that issue. 
Hon Nanaia Mahuta 
: Ka patai atu ki te Whare kia whakawatea te wahanga maku kia tuku te patai ano. 
[ 
I seek leave of the House for me to ask my question once more. 
] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought for the member to ask her question again. Is there any objection to that course of action? There is no objection. 
Hon Nanaia Mahuta 
: Tena koutou. He aha te whakatau o te Minita mo enei tamariki pohara enei tamariki rawakore? He aha nga tino kaupapa i roto i nga kura auraki hei awhiawhi i enei tamariki e korerotia ake nei? 
[ 
Thank you collectively. What consideration has he made for these impoverished and destitute children? What are the main programmes in mainstream schools to assist these children referred to here? 
] 
Hon Dr PITA SHARPLES 
: Na matau i whakaturia etahi hotaka mo te panui pukapuka mo nga mea iti kei roto i nga kura decile 1 2 and 3 katoa o te motu. Na mo te poharatanga mo te kai kua tukuna atu tetahi putea ki enei whanau kia whakatu mara kai. Atu ki tena ara nga kaimahi e mahi ana i roto i waenganui a ratau. 
[ 
We established reading programmes for the little ones in all decile 1 2 and 3 schools throughout the country. In terms of poverty and food we provided funding to these families to plant gardens. Aside from that we have workers working amongst and with them. 
] 
Metiria Turei 
: Does the Minister agree with the human rights commissioner that keeping a third of Maori children in poverty infringes their fundamental right to well-being and that one fair way to alleviate that poverty would be to lift the minimum wage to a livable level? 
Hon Dr PITA SHARPLES 
: He maha nga huarahi kia taea e tatau ki te whakamama i te wahanga kei roto i a ratau e noho pohara ana. Ehara ma te Kawanatanga anake engari mo tatau katoa nga hapu nga rohe nga komiti nga whanau katoa mai i nga mema Paremata. Kei a tatau katoa te rongoa kia whakamama ai te taha ki te taha pohara. Kaua e waiho ma te Kawanatanga anake. 
[ 
There are several avenues that allow us to make the lives of those in poverty easier. It is not just up to the Government but to all of us: subtribes regions committees families and even members of Parliament. We have the remedy to ease impoverishment. Do not leave it for the Government alone. 
] 
Metiria Turei 
: Does the Minister then agree that the human right of Maori children to adequate health care is infringed by the Government’s increase in prescription charges when we know that 14 percent of Maori do not pick up prescriptions now because of the cost? 
Hon Dr PITA SHARPLES 
: He wa uaua mo tatau i tenei wa. He ohanga whakaheke i tenei wa. Na reira ko etahi mea e taumaha ana whakataumahatia o tatau iwi. Ko etahi atu e whakapiki ai ta ratau noho. Na reira kare he rongoa atu naku te korero i tena mea anake engari mo nga mea katoa. Mehemea ka taea e tatau ki te whakamama ai ki te whakangawari ai te noho o ratau e pohara ana ka pai ki ahau. 
[ 
This is a difficult time for everyone as we are in an economic recession. Therefore there are some things that make it heavy going for our people or a burden upon them. So there are no solutions but this is my personal view not only for this situation but for everything. If we can make the lives of those living in poverty that much easier and smoother then that would do me nicely. 
] 
Metiria Turei 
: Does the Minister then also agree that the human right of Maori children to decent housing is breached by the Government’s cuts to State and social housing provisions which currently condemn 28 percent of Maori children to living in overcrowded homes? 
Hon Dr PITA SHARPLES 
: Ko taku korero ehara mo te Kawanatanga engari mo matau. Kaha matau ki te tautoko i te Kawanatanga kia whakamahanatia etahi o nga whare e makariri ana. E 20000 whare kua awhinatia e matau e te Pati Maori kia noho mahana ai a ratau tamariki. 
[ 
My statement is not on behalf of the Government but for us the Maori Party. We have supported the Government strongly in the strategy to warm up cold homes. We the Maori Party have assisted 20000 homes to ensure that their children are warm. 
] 
Chris Hipkins 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I just want to clarify with you. It could be an issue to do with translation but during question time it has been very clear that Ministers are answering on behalf of the Government not on behalf of their individual political parties and twice in question time in the interpretation—I do not speak Te Reo Maori so I just want to check that I am correct here—the Minister has indicated he is replying on behalf of the Maori Party not on behalf of the Government. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The member is quite correct that Ministers are replying in their role as a Minister as part of the Government. However they are at liberty to introduce into their answers other material if it helps them answer the question asked. The risk they face in doing that is if they bring into their answer material to do with their party they can then be asked about that when normally they cannot be asked about that. The Minister is not normally answerable in this House for matters to do with the Maori Party. However the Minister has as the member points out on a couple of occasions introduced the Maori Party into his answers and therefore the Minister can be asked about those matters that he has covered in his answers. 
Te Ururoa Flavell 
: Tena koe Mr Speaker. Kia ora tatau. He aha ta Whanau Ora ki te whakapiki i te ora o nga tamariki Maori? 
[ 
Thank you Mr Speaker. Greetings everyone. What does Whanau Ora do to improve the health of Maori children? 
] 
Hon Dr PITA SHARPLES 
: Ki taku mohio kei roto i te Whanau Ora he huarahi kia whakapiki ai te ora o te whanau ka tahi o te tamaiti ka rua. Ma te mahi ngatahi o nga tari Kawanatanga me te tautoko i te whanau kia noho pumau katahi ka whai wahi era momo whanau kia eke ki nga pukenga kia eke ki o ratau wawata me o ratau hiahia katoa. Na reira hoki aku korero ki era korero e pa ana ki te mahi i tenei momo mahi mo tatau katoa ehara ma te Kawanatanga anake ehara ma Whanau Ora anake. Ka hoki au ki tera whakatauaki Maori “Ma tau rourou me taku rourou ka ora ai te iwi”. 
[ 
I understand that Whanau Ora is a pathway to improve one family health and two the child. Government departments working together and supporting the stability of families will provide opportunities for those kinds of families to upskill and realise all their desires and aspirations. And so I go back to my assertions to those statements relating to this kind of work being done by all of us and not by the Government or Whanau Ora alone. I go back to that Maori proverb “Through your food basket and mine we will ensure that the people survive”. 
] 
Metiria Turei 
: Given that 93000 Maori children have parents on a benefit does he accept that the welfare reforms trap the children of beneficiaries into severe poverty and are therefore an active discrimination against the human rights of the Maori children of those families? 
Hon Dr PITA SHARPLES 
: Ahakoa kei a au etahi whakaaro e pa ana ki tena patai ko tena patai te patai mo te Minita mo tera ahuatanga. 
[ 
Although I have my own views about that question it should really be directed at the Minister responsible for that situation. 
] 
Metiria Turei 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. This question was set down for the Minister of Maori Affairs. The question directly relates to the impact of Government policy on Maori children. It is within his ministerial responsibility to answer the question. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I think the member makes a fair point that the Minister of Maori Affairs has a broad area of responsibility. The primary question asked about the basic human rights of children alleged to be in poverty and the supplementary question that was asked did cover those issues. I invite Metiria Turei to repeat her question. 
Metiria Turei 
: Given that 93000 Maori children have parents on a benefit does he accept that the welfare reforms trap the children of beneficiaries into severe poverty and are therefore an active discrimination against the human rights of Maori children in those families? 
Hon Dr PITA SHARPLES 
: Kare ano kia oti te arotake o ena korero tena pepa. Kei te whiriwhiri tonu te Kawanatanga i ena kaupapa engari ko taku korero ko etahi o nga mea hou ka pehi ki runga i tetahi ropu kei roto i te iwi whanui ko etahi atu e whakapiki ai te ora kei roto i a ratau. 
[ 
The review of those comments and the paper are yet to be completed. The Government is still negotiating those policies but from me some of the new initiatives are suppressive of an organisation working in the public domain while others improve the well-being within them. 
] 
Hon David Parker 
: Given that under the National-led Government the interests of low-income Maori are going backwards why is the Maori Party continuing to support the Government in confidence and supply? 
Hon Dr PITA SHARPLES 
: Kare au e whakaae ana ki te haere whakamuri i te taha ki nga Maori i roto i nga whare. 
[ 
In terms of Maori in houses I do not agree that it is going backwards. 
] 
Metiria Turei 
: Will the Minister commit to seeking Cabinet approval to replace the discriminatory in-work tax credit with a new child payment for all low-income children regardless of whether their parents have a job or not as one important step towards restoring the basic human rights of Maori children to a healthy childhood and a long life? 
Hon Dr PITA SHARPLES 
: I roto i nga tutohinga i waenganui i a matau me te Kawanatanga i tukuna atu o matau korero i tenei take ki te Kawanatanga kia whiriwhiri. 
[ 
In terms of the charters between us and the Government we have submitted our views about this matter for the Government to consider. 
] 
Metiria Turei 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. If I understood the answer correctly it was in relation to advocacy by the Maori Party for the issue. I understand that the Maori Party might have a different view from the Government but I am asking him as a Minister of the Government for his commitment. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I think the member is making a fair point in that the Minister in his answer said that the Maori Party had expressed its view to the Government but I do not think that is actually answering the question. The question asked was whether the Minister would recommend to the Government that it should remove the distinction between the children of parents who are working and those whose parents are not working in respect of the Working for Families tax credit. I do not think it is a satisfactory answer to that to say that the Maori Party has given its views to the Government. So I know that I have not destroyed the member’s question I invite Tariana Turia to repeat her question—I beg your pardon Metiria Turei! My apologies. 
Metiria Turei 
: I do not mind being mistaken for Tariana not at all. Will the Minister commit to seeking Cabinet approval to replace the discriminatory in-work tax credit with a new child payment for all low-income children regardless of whether their parents have a job or not as one important step towards restoring the basic human right of Maori children to a healthy childhood and a long life? 
Hon Dr PITA SHARPLES 
: I roto i a matau korero i te tepu ae. 
[ 
In terms of our discussions at the table yes. 
] 
Companies and Limited Partnerships—Changes to Governance and Registration and Actions of Associate Minister 
5. 
KANWALJIT SINGH BAKSHI (National) 
 to the  
Minister of Commerce 
: What steps is the Government taking to help maintain New Zealand’s reputation as a trusted place to do business? 
Hon CRAIG FOSS (Minister of Commerce) 
: 
 This week the Companies and Limited Partnerships Amendment Bill had its first reading. The bill seeks to strengthen aspects of the rules applying to the governance registration and reorganisation of companies and limited partnerships. The reforms will help maintain New Zealand’s reputation as a trusted place to do business and will promote investor confidence and participation in New Zealand’s capital markets. The bill seeks to strike the right balance between deterring the actions that threaten the integrity of a company registration system and maintaining the ease of business for New Zealand companies. I look forward to the select committee’s thoughts on the bill. 
Kanwaljit Singh Bakshi 
: What other issues does the bill seek to address? 
Hon CRAIG FOSS 
: The bill will require each company registered in New Zealand to have a resident agent if there is no director living in New Zealand or an approved jurisdiction. It will give new powers to the Registrar of Companies to investigate and deal with non-compliance with the Companies Act. This includes the power to flag companies on the register that are under investigation. These are but some of the changes in the bill. I welcome the support of all parties across the House in progressing at least the first reading of this bill and I welcome the select committee’s views on all of these matters. 
Hon Trevor Mallard 
: Would another step to maintain New Zealand’s reputation as a trusted place to do business be to stand down a Minister who solicits and receives at least $80000 in donations in plain envelopes and fails to declare them? 
Hon CRAIG FOSS 
: The bill has got nothing to do with ministerial responsibility. 
Grant Robertson 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. The bill was the subject of the supplementary question. The primary question was a general question about steps to maintain New Zealand’s reputation as a trusted place to do business. I think the question from Mr Mallard was definitely in order. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I accept the member’s point of order. It is certainly consistent with the primary question. I guess the Minister’s answer though is indicating that he as a Minister has no responsibility for whether other Ministers are stood down or not. I believe that is what he was saying and that is a fair answer I think. But I fully accept the question as being in order. 
Hon Trevor Mallard 
: Would it help New Zealand to be seen as a trusted place to do business if Ministers had sufficient capacity to remember when they receive $80000 in plain envelopes and/or paper bags? 
Hon CRAIG FOSS 
: I do not know whether he is referring to—I will not go—the bill as drafted has absolutely nothing to do with whatever that member is talking about. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Order! I say to the Minister that sadly the question has got nothing to do with a bill. The question asked what steps the Government is taking to help maintain New Zealand’s reputation as a trusted place to do business. The Minister may have intended—[ 
Interruption 
] Order! The Minister may have intended that answer to that question to allow him to talk about a bill but supplementary questions are not constrained. They are constrained only in so far as this primary question states what it states. The question asked is in order. It is hypothetical but it cannot be ignored because the question is in order given that primary question. 
Hon Trevor Mallard 
: Should I put it again? 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Is this a point of order? 
Hon Trevor Mallard 
: Oh no no I am just offering to put it again in case the Minister— 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Order! No I think the Minister can recollect the question. 
Hon CRAIG FOSS 
: I recollect there was a hypothetical question and there are many things that affect New Zealand’s reputation. One of the best things we can do to affect New Zealand’s international reputation as a good place to do business is to continue the prudent economic management that this Government started about 4 years ago and is continuing to do so. 
Grant Robertson 
: In light of his desire to maintain New Zealand’s reputation as a trusted place to do business is he satisfied that the Hon John Banks has the required ethical standards to be his Associate Minister of Commerce? 
Hon CRAIG FOSS 
: I do not appoint Associate Ministers. 
Grant Robertson 
: In light of his desire to maintain New Zealand’s reputation as a trusted place to do business is it his intention to withdraw the delegations of the Associate Minister of Commerce John Banks in light of the revelations that he solicited donations from Skycity Kim Dotcom and a third party and then signed a donation return that could not recall those donations? 
Hon CRAIG FOSS 
: These reflections reflect pretty badly on the questioner. I have no responsibility for the delegations or any of the roles. That is at the will of the Prime Minister and Cabinet. 
Hon Trevor Mallard 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. You know and I know that that Minister signed those delegations— 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Order! 
Hon Trevor Mallard 
: —not the Prime Minister. It is just not true. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Order! No order! The member is now questioning the answer. The Speaker has to take the Minister’s answer as it stands. I cannot question whether or not Ministers are giving correct answers; I can only assess whether or not they have provided an answer and the Minister has certainly provided an answer. 
Hon Trevor Mallard 
: Did he sign the delegation for John Banks as an Associate Minister? 
Hon CRAIG FOSS 
: Yes; the member is correct that this Minister does sign those delegations in consultation with the Prime Minister. 
Welfare Reforms—Policies Affecting Families 
6. 
JACINDA ARDERN (Labour) 
 to the  
Minister for Social Development 
: Does she stand by her statement that “if we are going to make a difference for the families who are struggling we need to be able to invest in interventions that we know will work”; if so what are her methods for developing policies that she knows will work? 
Hon CHESTER BORROWS (Associate Minister for Social Development) 
 on behalf of the Minister for Social Development: The Minister stands by her full statement that was made with regard to the new Social Policy Evaluation and Research Unit in the restructured Families Commission where she said: “If we are going to make a difference for the families who are struggling we need to be able to invest in interventions that we know will work and that have had full evaluations. This new unit will build a body of evidence that will allow policy makers non-governmental organisations and anyone wanting to invest in social services to make informed decisions about which programmes are effective for New Zealand families.” The establishment of this unit is a key part of this Government’s focus to ensure we are investing in what works. 
Jacinda Ardern 
: Can she provide to the House the evaluation or evidence showing that the policy that she announced on Michael Laws’ show on the court ordering unfit parents not to have further children will work when the Ministry of Justice denies any involvement in this policy and her own green paper reference group had not been involved? 
Hon CHESTER BORROWS 
: The primary question was directed towards the Families Commission. I have not been briefed in respect of an answer that I could provide to that supplementary question. 
Hon David Parker 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. The Minister in answering the primary question said that the policies through this unit should have full evaluations. It is quite in order for the Minister to say he cannot answer the question because it has not been provided for but he should not deny the relevance of the question. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I think the point is a fair point. The Minister is perfectly at liberty to say that he does not have the information to answer the question but I think the point the Hon David Parker makes is correct. The primary question is not focused on the Families Commission; it does not mention it. But the Minister’s answer is still perfectly legitimate unless he wishes to add anything further to it. He does not. 
Jacinda Ardern 
: Can she provide to the House any advice or evaluation to show that the policy she announced on Michael Laws’ show on drug-testing beneficiaries will work when a Government department is rumoured to have provided evidence to the Ministry of Social Development strongly criticising the plan? 
Hon CHESTER BORROWS 
: I have not been briefed in respect of comments she made in respect of drug testing. 
Le’aufa’amulia Asenati Lole-Taylor 
: Tena koe Mr Speaker. E rau rangatira ma tena tatou koutou. What evidence has she seen that her military activity camps are working for troubled youth given that the idea has been discredited internationally and her own camps have a reoffending rate of 53 percent? 
Hon CHESTER BORROWS 
: In respect of the military-style activity camps they have not been commented on internationally. Although they were incorrectly represented in the previous term as boot camps there has been international evidence in respect of boot camps. In respect of military-style activity camps there is currently an evaluation that is going on at the moment and we look forward to the results as they appear to be positive in the interim. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Before I call Jacinda Ardern I say that when a member from another party asks a supplementary question they deserve to be able to hear the answer. There was too much interjection then. 
Jacinda Ardern 
: Can she provide to the House advice or evidence she has used to support the policy of contraception for beneficiaries rather than for all low-income women which Michael Laws called “a policy position I’ve always advocated” given she claimed to have received medical advice but an Official Information Act request later revealed she had received absolutely none? 
Hon CHESTER BORROWS 
: I am afraid I cannot answer that question as it is targeted towards comments in respect of contraception. I would suggest that if the member has that particular question she should direct it in writing or ask the Minister on another occasion. 
Jacinda Ardern 
: Can she provide to the House the advice or evidence she has to show that the policy she announced at the National Party conference to turn food hardship grants into food parcels to save the taxpayer money would save more than the alternative policy of having an actual plan for job creation and growth so people are not in hardship in the first place? 
Hon CHESTER BORROWS 
: Unfortunately I have not been briefed in respect of that but I am sure that such a hard-working creative Minister will welcome the opportunity to answer that question should she be asked in person. 
Question No. 5 to Minister 
GRANT ROBERTSON (Deputy Leader—Labour) 
: 
 I apologise; I meant to table this after question No. 5. I seek leave of the House to table a letter from the New Zealand Police dated 26 July 2012 referring to complaints about the Hon John Banks’ mayoral election spending which notes that he solicited donations from Skycity Entertainment Group an anonymous radio ad provider and Kim Dotcom. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to table that document. Is there any objection? There is objection. 
Major Events Development Fund—Promotion of New Zealand 
7. 
JACQUI DEAN (National—Waitaki) 
 to the  
Minister for Economic Development 
: How is the Major Events Development Fund contributing to building New Zealand’s profile overseas? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE (Minister for Economic Development) 
: 
 The Government is using the Major Events Development Fund to partner with organisers to attract retain grow and deliver high-quality major events for New Zealand. The purpose of the Government funding is to ensure lasting benefits for New Zealand from hosting events promotion of the country overseas international media exposure increased tourism and job creation. For example last week I attended the media launch of the 2013 Winter Games which will receive $1 million in support from the Major Events Development Fund. In return for this Winter Games NZ will provide extensive international television opportunities to promote this country as a premier winter destination across our key tourism and trade markets. It is estimated that the 2013 event will deliver around 33000 visitor nights and reach a global television audience of around 800 million viewers. 
Jacqui Dean 
: How will the development of the Winter Games benefit New Zealand? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE 
: The Government investment is designed to provide a platform for the event to step up to another level in 2013. It is intended to become one of the world’s top three snow sports events and to deliver the quality expected of a world-leading event. It will be one of the biggest winter sports events in fact outside the Winter Olympics. It is expected to increase the number of participants spectators and international tourists attending the event. The Winter Games is just one of the many major events that the Government has backed. 
Hon Trevor Mallard 
: Hang on—who backed it first? Who backed it first? You’re just a follower just a follower. 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE 
: We have also got behind the Rally of New Zealand the Triathlon ITU World Championship Series and the World Masters Games. Trevor is having a bit of attention deficit disorder. All these events will help raise New Zealand’s profile overseas and lead to increased tourism and business opportunities Mr Mallard. 
Migrant Workers—Immigration New Zealand Labour Market Testing 
8. 
DARIEN FENTON (Labour) 
 to the  
Minister of Immigration 
: What labour market testing requirements does Immigration New Zealand carry out before approving an employer’s application to bring foreign workers to New Zealand? 
Hon NATHAN GUY (Minister of Immigration) 
: 
 I have been advised by Immigration New Zealand that it undertakes a variety of labour-market checks where information from Work and Income recruitment efforts by the employers and the skills shortage lists are taken into account. In the case of approval in principle applications consultation is also undertaken with relevant unions guilds and industry training organisations. The labour-market test is there to ensure that migrant workers do not displace New Zealanders from employment opportunities. 
Darien Fenton 
: Is he confident that labour-market testing processes are robust enough to protect New Zealand jobs when Immigration New Zealand has just granted approval in principle to one company to bring in 110 so-called façade installers from China on the basis that there are no suitable New Zealanders able to either do the work or be trained to do the work? 
Hon NATHAN GUY 
: Yes I am satisfied in the system. 
Darien Fenton 
: What specific actions if any does Immigration New Zealand take to ensure that the job prerequisites are not overstated or exaggerated in order to artificially exclude New Zealand residents from consideration for work? 
Hon NATHAN GUY 
: As I mentioned in the answer to the primary question there is a very robust process that is worked through with Work and Income with the industry training organisation providers with the guilds and with the unions. There is a very robust process in place and I am satisfied with that process. 
Darien Fenton 
: In what part of the Government’s 120-point economic plan does it state that we will grow our economy and create jobs by bringing in migrant workers into temporary and fixed-term employment despite New Zealanders being ready and able to do this work or easily trained to do it? 
Hon NATHAN GUY 
: I am pleased that that member is applauding our 120-point plan which is very successful. It is interesting that Labour brought in the Recognised Seasonal Employer scheme and if I could just quote from one of its members at the time a quote that is all about migrant workers in— 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Order! I am not sure that is exactly an answer to the question asked. It was not that specific a question but the answer should relate to the question and not wander a long way from it. If the Minister is not sure of the question I invite Darien Fenton to repeat it. 
Darien Fenton 
: In what part of the Government’s 120-point economic plan does it state that we will grow our economy and create jobs by bringing in migrant workers into temporary and fixed-term employment despite New Zealanders being ready and able to do this work or easily trained to do it? 
Hon NATHAN GUY 
: As the member knows we do require in our New Zealand economy some foreigners to ensure that we can continue to grow our economy. If I could please talk very briefly about the Recognised Seasonal Employer scheme which was rolled out by that Government and which we are supporting Mr Mallard said: “There are always anxieties about the Recognised Seasonal Employer scheme—about whether it is displacing New Zealand workers. Well I think there may be an argument in this case that it is actually creating jobs for New Zealand workers.” I agree with Mr Mallard’s statement. 
Darien Fenton 
: I seek leave to table a letter from the Amalgamated Workers Union to Minister Kate Wilkinson asking for a review of the decision to allow 110 workers to be employed on façade construction on the basis that the skill required is basic and New Zealanders could be trained to do this work— 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Order! Leave is sought to table that document. Is there any objection? There is objection. 
Emissions Trading Scheme—Proposed Amendments 
9. 
Dr KENNEDY GRAHAM (Green) 
 to the  
Minister for Climate Change Issues 
: Is the $328 million additional cost of the Government’s recent Emissions Trading Scheme proposed amendments consistent with the National Party election pledge that the amendments would be fiscally neutral? 
Hon SIMON BRIDGES (Associate Minister for Climate Change Issues)  
on behalf of the Minister for Climate Change Issues: Yes because we do not want the emissions trading scheme to be a tax-grabbing revenue earner from households and the productive sector. We also wanted to amend our scheme in globally fragile conditions in the interests of the wider economy rather than on the basis of some narrow Government interest. 
Dr Kennedy Graham 
: Why is the Government increasing subsidies to emitters in these globally fragile conditions to the tune of several hundred million dollars rather than strengthening the emissions trading scheme so that it will actually reduce emissions? 
Hon SIMON BRIDGES 
: I do not agree with the basic premise of the question. They are not subsidies; they are the absence of a cost imposed on households and businesses in this country. 
Dr Kennedy Graham 
: Why does not the Government follow the UK model which has a binding 80 percent cut by 2050 with 5-yearly carbon budgets for reducing emissions instead of simply stating a weaker target with no credible plan to get there? 
Hon SIMON BRIDGES 
: I have not examined the UK scheme in any great detail but it is fair to say we do not want the economic mess that they are in today. 
Dr Kennedy Graham 
: Rather than weakening the emissions trading scheme why does the Government not introduce a plan such as the British one—and I recommend that the Associate Minister read it—that is described as providing “a clear credible long-term framework for a move to a low-carbon … economy [giving] businesses and individuals the … certainty they need to play their part.”? 
Hon SIMON BRIDGES 
: I believe that in our emissions trading scheme we have that clear credible scheme and we are also of course wanting to make sure that in these fragile economic conditions globally we do not ratchet it up unduly at this time. 
Paid Parental Leave—Minister’s Statements 
10. 
SUE MORONEY (Labour) 
 to the  
Minister of Finance 
: Does he stand by all of his statements on the proposed extension to paid parental leave? 
Hon BILL ENGLISH (Minister of Finance) 
: 
 Yes particularly the statement that the Government supports parents and families. We have spent $154 million on providing the current paid parental leave which has increased by $67 per week since 2008. Alongside that the Government spends $1.4 billion on early childhood education subsidies and $2.6 billion on Working for Families payments. We have made sure that despite Budgets being tight and despite a recession we have at least maintained all these payments to families. 
Sue Moroney 
: Does he stand by his statement in April that the bill to extend paid parental leave would require an extra $500 million in borrowing over the next 3 to 4 years? 
Hon BILL ENGLISH 
: Yes. 
Sue Moroney 
: Did he receive advice from the Department of Labour on 11 April the day he announced his intention to use a financial veto that showed that the maximum cost of the bill was $285.6 million over 3 years—almost half the figure he misled the public with? 
Hon BILL ENGLISH 
: If you add the number for the 4th year they are pretty similar. 
Sue Moroney 
: No they’re not. 
Hon BILL ENGLISH 
: They are. The simple point is the member’s proposition will double the cost of paid parental leave. I look forward to the day when the Government has those sorts of choices. We do not have those choices now. We are working hard to maintain the current expenditure of $154 million on paid parental leave $1.4 billion on early childhood subsidies which have increased by 40 percent in the last 4 years and $2.6 billion on Working for Families payments. We are supporting families very extensively. 
Sue Moroney 
: I seek leave to table a document from the Department of Labour released under the Official Information Act to me which shows that the maximum cost of the paid parental leave bill over 3 years would be $285.6 million. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to table that document. Is there any objection? There is objection. 
Sue Moroney 
: Did he tell journalists at a press conference he held that he will not extend paid parental leave even after the Government books get back into surplus when he announced his intention to use a financial veto on 11 April? 
Hon BILL ENGLISH 
: It is not a matter of whether I will extend paid parental leave. What I did announce was that in my statutory role as Minister of Finance I would be vetoing this particular bill because of the high cost of it at this time. Of course Governments have got choices in the future and those choices will all be fairly difficult. Paid parental leave will be only one of a long list of aspirations New Zealanders will have once the Government gets its books back into surplus. 
Sue Moroney 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. The question was very direct. I asked him whether he had told journalists a particular statement. He did not respond to the question. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: What I will do—because I cannot recollect exactly the question asked—is I will allow the member to repeat her question but it had better ask just that. 
Sue Moroney 
: Thank you Mr Speaker. It does indeed. Did he tell journalists at a press conference he held that he will not extend paid parental leave even after the Government books get back into surplus when he announced his intention to use a financial veto on 11 April? 
Hon BILL ENGLISH 
: Well I cannot recall exactly the words that were used but I can tell the member that it is not a matter of my extending paid parental leave. I announced that as Minister of Finance in my statutory capacity—as used many times by previous Ministers of Finance—I would veto that particular piece of legislation. I look forward to the time where the Government has the kind of choice that the member is proposing but right now with a significant deficit we do not have that choice. I am sure my remarks to the press conference reflected the reality that when we do get to surplus there are many aspirations New Zealanders will have of which this is only one. At the time it may not be the most important. 
Fishing Vessels—Changes to Design and Construction Rule 
11. 
JAMI-LEE ROSS (National—Botany) 
 to the  
Associate Minister of Transport 
: What recent changes has the Government made to improve the safety of fishing boats? 
Hon SIMON BRIDGES (Associate Minister of Transport) 
: 
 Today I announced changes to the maritime rule covering the design and construction of fishing boats and the equipment used on them. The rule applies to vessels less than 25 metres in length which make up more than 90 percent of the fishing fleet. The fishing industry is one of our most dangerous and structural and equipment failures count for approximately one-fifth of fishing industry injuries. The new requirements will mitigate the risks such as of fire and flooding and substantial new structural requirements will be applied to newly constructed vessels. 
Jami-Lee Ross 
: How do these changes reinforce the Government’s focus on better and less regulation? 
Hon SIMON BRIDGES 
: These changes are part of a bigger story in transport where we are working with industry on reducing both unnecessary compliance costs and red tape while improving safety as well. Other recent examples include regulations regarding jetboat licences and passenger service vehicles. Industry involvement on these changes has been essential to ensuring that rules are appropriate and workable for the sector. 
Education Minister—Promotion of  
My School 
 Website Model for School Data 
12. 
TRACEY MARTIN (NZ First) 
 to the  
Minister of Education 
: Does she stand by all her statements? 
Hon HEKIA PARATA (Minister of Education) 
: 
 Tena koe e te Mana Whakawa. Nahau i timata tatau i runga i te karakia i tenei ahiahi. Otira tena tatau e te Whare e whakanuia nei to tatau reo rangatira. 
[ 
Thank you Mr Speaker. Thank you for beginning with a karakia this afternoon. Greetings to the House as we celebrate Maori Language Week. 
] 
Yes. In particular I stand by my statements that this Government wants to see our education system delivering for five out of five kids and that we are committed to raising achievement and ensuring that all our young people have the knowledge skills and values to be successful in the 21st century. 
Tracey Martin 
: Does she stand by her statements on Parata’s Post promoting the Australian My School website as a template for a purpose-built New Zealand educational website? 
Hon HEKIA PARATA 
: I roto i tera kaupapa i kite tatau etahi ahuatanga e pai ai mo Aotearoa hoki. Heoi ano kare i te katoa. Hei te wa ka timata taua te hanga i tetahi mo Aotearoa motuhake ka tiro ano tatau. 
[ 
With regard to the website we found some elements that were relevant to New Zealand but not all. When we set about buidling a website especially for New Zealand we will look again. 
] 
Tracey Martin 
: Kia ora. Is the Minister aware that the My School website relies upon the national testing regime the National Assessment Program - Literacy and Numeracy or NAPLAN and that this contradicts her statements to the Education and Science Committee that there are no plans to have a national test in New Zealand if the model was rolled out without substantial change; if so can she explain this contradiction? 
Hon HEKIA PARATA 
: I roto i taku whakahoki tuarua i korero ahau mo era ahuatanga e pai ana mo te hanga i tetahi i roto o Aotearoa. I etahi atu o aku whakamarama mo tenei ahuatanga ka whakakorehia tera ahuatanga i runga ano i te whakaaro he whakamatautau mo te katoa o Aotearoa. Na tera rereketanga kare i taea era ahuatanga. 
[ 
In the second part of my answer I acknowledged those elements that would be relevant to New Zealand. In other comments I have made I have been clear that I reject a national test for New Zealand. Because of that difference it could not be done. 
] 
Andrew Williams 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. Although this is Maori Language Week and we do understand the use of Te Reo this week there will be many New Zealanders out there who are wanting to hear the Minister’s answer to the question in English. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Order! [ 
Interruption 
] Members will respect the fact that I am on my feet. Members in this House are perfectly entitled to use the official languages of New Zealand and they can use Te Reo at any time they choose. For the people whom the member was concerned about out there in the public especially those watching on television there is an immediate translation available to those people watching it on television. That should be available—a simultaneous translation—and if it is not available I want to find out what has gone wrong technically because that should be available. 
Point of Order—Tabling of Documents 
MICHAEL WOODHOUSE (Senior Whip—National) 
: 
 In your reflections on question time today and yesterday I wonder whether you would consider the application of Speakers’ rulings 147/4-6 regarding the tabling of documents. It may be just my perception but it seems to me that the convention around succinctness may be being relaxed at the moment whereby a number of documents are being described following which there is a commentary that starts “which shows they have” or “which says that”. In particular your own ruling among other things says: “Seeking leave is not an opportunity to convey information while members are on their feet;”. It may be me but it does seem that over the last few days that has become elongated. It would be helpful if you would reflect on that. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I will hear Chris Hipkins on the point of order. 
CHRIS HIPKINS (Senior Whip—Labour) 
: 
 Although many of the Speakers’ rulings do indeed refer to that since some of those rulings were made you have made a further ruling that members need to explain with some particularity what the document is that they seeking to table so that you can assess whether it is already publicly available for example among other things. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I appreciate the spirit in which the point of order is raised but we have made very significant changes to the process for seeking leave to table documents and members can no longer seek leave to table clippings from newspapers records of radio transcripts or anything like that that are readily available to members. We have also made a requirement that members identify the source of the document before making any comment about what it contains. I think that is a mechanism of avoiding the opportunity for members to just get extra speeches in. I think for members of the House to be able to make a decision on whether or not they should allow a document to be tabled they need to know the source of the document and they need to have a brief summary of what it contains—some idea of what it contains. I accept that I must not allow members to go on too long there but I think it is not unreasonable that there can be some brief explanation of what the document contains since we have eliminated so much of the wasteful tabling of documents. I think it is unreasonable to expect members to make a judgment about whether they should allow a document to be tabled if they do not know what is in it. But I do accept the point the member makes that I must not allow members to use it as a chance to make an extra speech. 
Personal Explanations 
Mothers—Interpretation of Comments Made by Member 
Dr RAJEN PRASAD (Labour) 
: 
 I seek leave of the House under Standing Order 354 to make a personal statement relating to comments made about me in the House last night. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to make a personal explanation. Is there any objection? There is no objection. 
Dr RAJEN PRASAD 
: Last night in the debate on the first reading of the Parental Leave and Employment Protection (Six Months’ Paid Leave) Amendment Bill the member for Taupo Louise Upston said that in a debate in this House last week I had implied that mothers were not capable of doing two things at once. I made no such statement and believe nothing I have said on the risks of work-testing solo parents with a 1-year-old child could be construed in this way. As a former human rights commissioner and a former Chief Families Commissioner  I have always taken a respectful approach to women and would not in any way denigrate their abilities or interests and did not do so during the debate on the Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill last week. 
Rongowhakaata Claims Settlement Bill 
Third Reading 
TE URUROA FLAVELL (Maori Party—Waiariki) 
: 
 He ra nui tenei mo nga iwi kua tae mai i te ra nei. Kei te haere atu kei te hoki mai etahi mema. He inoi noa atu kia paku whakata mo te wa poto kia ngawari to tatou Whare kia taea ai e to tatou Minita te whakatakoto i tenei korero kia rongo nga taringa o muri ake nei i nga korero. 
[ 
This is a great day for the tribes who have arrived here today. Some members are leaving and returning. I am just seeking leave for a small recess to allow our House to settle down and to enable our Minister to make this statement so those remaining can hear what is being stated 
.]  
Mr SPEAKER 
: I think the member makes a useful point of order in that on an important occasion like this it is unhelpful if we commence the debate while so many members are moving around the House and while visitors are entering the gallery. We cannot wait indefinitely but I certainly think we can wait a moment while members who are leaving the House do so. These third readings are important occasions and have very great significance to people visiting Parliament on the occasion of these third reading debates so the House will pause for just a moment. I would ask those who are intending to leave the Chamber to please do so so that once we start the debate the House is not further disrupted by people moving about. I will defer calling the honourable Minister for just a moment longer. Just so the public knows what is going on I have just deferred the commencement of the third reading debate on Government order of the day No. 1 while members are leaving the Chamber to give the Minister a more dignified environment in which to make an important speech on this very important Treaty settlement legislation. I think the House is now in a rather quieter state so I now call on the Hon Tariana Turia. 
Hon TARIANA TURIA (Minister for Whanau Ora) 
 on behalf of the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations: I move  
That the Rongowhakaata Claims Settlement Bill be now read a third time. 
Mai i nga kahui maunga o Whanganui tae noa ki a koutou o nga maunga Puketapu Manawaru hoki ka tu ahau ki te tuku mihi ki a koutou o Rongowhakaata nga uri o Te Kooti Rikirangi hoki kua takahi te papa kia tae mai nei ki te Whare Paremata mo te panuitanga tuatoru o to koutou piri. Ki a koutou nga kaumatua nga kuia nga koroua tena koutou katoa. 
[ 
From the cluster mountains of Whanganui to you of the mountains Puketapu and Manawaru as well I rise to extend a welcome to you of Rongowhakaata and of the descendants of Te Kooti Rikirangi too who have traversed the countryside to arrive here at Parliament House for the third reading of your bill. To you all the elders elderly women and menfolk greetings 
.] 
One hundred and twenty years ago in April 1893 Te Kooti Rikirangi uttered these unforgettable words: “Ko te waka he hoehoenga mo koutou i muri i ahau na te ture tera. Ma te ture ano te ture e aki. The canoe that you must paddle when I am gone is that of the law. Only the law can be pitched against the law.” Today that prophecy comes to fruition. The Rongowhakaata Claims Settlement Bill will finally settle the historical Treaty of Waitangi claims of Rongowhakaata. 
The settlement journey for Rongowhakaata and Nga Uri o Te Kooti Rikirangi has been a long one. Many who have borne the weight of this journey are no longer with us today and we acknowledge and remember them. The Waitangi Tribunal’s 2004 report concluded that Turanga’s history includes some of the darkest and most dramatic moments in our nation’s history. The tribunal described the breaches arising from Crown military action against the iwi as some of the worst in New Zealand. But it went further and laid a challenge that I believe it is incumbent on all of us to pick up. The tribunal noted that it could not help but think that the unsettled state of relations between Maori and Pakeha is in part due to the fact that these stories are remembered only by tangata whenua and a few specialist historians. This leaves the nation in an unenviable state of flux and I quote from the 2004 report: “While only one side remembers the suffering of the past dialogue will always be difficult. One side commences the dialogue with anger and the other side has no idea why. Reconciliation cannot be achieved by this means.” How do we avoid repeating the mistakes of the past? What price is paid for the oppressive policies and injustices suffered in the name of the law? 
This settlement records the Crown’s deep remorse over wrongs done. The apology expresses profound regret that over the generations to the present day Crown actions have significantly impacted on Rongowhakaata’s social and traditional structures autonomy and ability to exercise customary rights and responsibilities. The apology is a sincere attempt to report the Crown’s failure since 1840 to respect the mana of Rongowhakaata and their rangatiratanga. It is difficult for anyone outside of this iwi to truly appreciate the depth of loss and prejudice that has been suffered. The words of a young 17-year-old give voice to that grief which has endured over generations. Wetini Wilkins-Larkin a direct descendant of Te Kooti Rikirangi told the story of his nannies Hine Campbell and Mihi Larkin. “This struggle”—he said—“goes back in history to the time even when my grandmother was a young school girl who experienced the stigma and shame of being a direct descendant of the koroua. I’m told that the Matawhero massacre would be a common topic in the school curriculum and that my Nan would often be a scapegoat for other pupils that the finger was pointed to her in disgust and that she would even hide under the shadow of her desk with her face hidden behind her hands.” What a painful memory to live with throughout your life. How do Nga Uri o Te Kooti Rikirangi move past the stigmatisation of Te Kooti and his descendants? It will take time and our greatest hope is that in the course of the journey we witness today we will reach a time when all New Zealanders look on Te Kooti as the founder of Te Haahi Ringatu acknowledge his inspirational leadership and appreciate his commitment to the preservation of Te Reo me ona tikanga just as his followers from my own iwi continue to follow and believe today. 
This bill expresses that recognition and redress for the bitter grievances of Rongowhakaata that are long overdue. That recognition includes knowledge that the Crown used force in Turanga in November 1865 when there was absolutely no need to do so. The Crown’s attack on Waerenga a Hika whose occupants included women and children was unwarranted and unjust and caused severe and long-term prejudice to this iwi. The summary executions at Ngatapa by Crown forces in 1869 tarnished the honour of the Crown and will live on in the hearts and minds of Rongowhakaata descendants their w’anau and their hapu. The indefinite detention in harsh conditions on the Chatham Islands without trial or the laying of charges was an injustice depriving Rongowhakaata of their basic human rights. The enduring cruelty of Crown actions was epitomised in the 1869 deed of cession resulting in the extinguishment of all of their customary land interests. In effect the Crown confiscated Rongowhakaata land including interests in over 50000 acres at Patutahi and by exclusion from titles awarded by the Poverty Bay Commission. 
On days like this it is unimaginable the sadness deep within the soul of Rongowhakaata nor can the ongoing feelings about the Crown actions be put into words. 
The illegal imprisonment of a quarter of the adult male population of Turanga on Wharekauri and the loss in the war of an estimated 43 percent of their adult male population including the illegal execution of a third to a half of that number were described by the tribunal as a “stain on our national history and character”. The final chapter in the tribunal’s report “Hei Whakamahutanga: The Healing” Is headed with these words: “Whakamoea nga patu ki nga patu rakau kia whanau ko te pai. Put to sleep the evil words and weapons of war so that goodness can prevail.” 
One of the ways in which resolution may be achieved is in addressing the confiscation of Te Hau ki Turanga the elaborate w’are whakairo carved by the expert carver Raharuhi Rukupo of Ngati Kaipoho. Crown troops took possession of Te Hau in 1867 in the aftermath of Waerenga a Hika. The acquisition of this cherished tribal whare which is held by Te Papa here in Wellington has been a source of great pain to this iwi and it is right that redress relating to Te Hau lies at the heart of this settlement. The settlement legislation contains within it the vesting in Rongowhakaata of sites of significance funding for cultural revitalisation specific redress for Nga Uri o Te Kooti Rikirangi a range of commercial redress properties and other elements of redress. This will assist Rongowhakaata in rebuilding their economic platform for the benefit of present and future generations. 
We bear an enduring debt of gratitude to this iwi who have demonstrated great generosity to the nation in foregoing full compensation. Today there will be time for recognition to acknowledge the significant journey which started in 1992 when Heni Sunderland Peter Gordon Darcy Ria and Stan Pardoe lodged their claims. There will no doubt be tears shed and memories shared as Rongowhakaata trace over the steps that led to this day. And in the midst of the heartache I hope there is also room to remember the statement of Wetini Wilkins-Larkin who ended his submission as the voice of hope: “We have regained and restored the mana that we so deserved and can now hold our heads high when saying ‘I am a direct descendant of Te Kooti Rikirangi.’ ” Na reira tena koutou tena koutou tena tatou katoa. 
Hon PAREKURA HOROMIA (Labour—Ikaroa-Rawhiti) 
:  
I a koutou o te hau kainga e whai kaha atu i konei i te wahi o te Whare Miere e mihi kau ana ki a koutou nga tupakeke. E tautoko atu nga whakaaro i puta a-waha a Tariana me ratou ma ki nga koroua nga kuia pera i a Heni te wahine kaha ki te mahi toi pena i a Darcy mo tana mahi i roto i te Tari Maori me tera a Pita e mahi ana i tona mahi i konei i nga tari i a ratou me koe e Stan ko koe ke te mea e ora ana. E mihi kau ana ki a koe. Tena koe mo tena e Rehia koutou katoa e Willie nga mea pakeke e mihi kau ana tena koutou. E te papa Noel ahakoa kare au i timata atu ki te mihi i nga manuhiri e mihi kau ana ki a koutou. E tuku mihi ki wenei ki te whanaunga a Willie a matua Stan a Meka a Jodie Wyllie mo to ratou whakatoi kia oti atu te mahi nei. Me koutou katoa e mahi atu nga mahi e rere atu te taea whakahuri ki te rangi oti nei. 
He tino rangi pai atu tenei. E kite atu tatou o te Whare Miere e manaaki atu kia oti pai. No reira. tena koutou. Mo ratou e rere atu. nga hunga pera i a Addie a Huia e tangi hoki te ngakau. Engari mo koutou e ora ana ko tenei ano to kaha o Rongowhakaata e tae atu i konei. Mohio atu tatou mo nga korero o te mahi o nga hoia. I rongo koutou nga tupuna nga pakopako o nga pu pera atu te mahinga atu. No reira e tautokotia atu nga korero o te tuahine me tatou katoa i konei. 
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To those from home who made a great effort to get here to the place of the Beehive to you the elders I welcome you. I endorse the sentiments expressed by Tariana and others to the elderly men and womenfolk like Heni that great artist; Darcy his work in the Maori department and Pita for his work among departments here. You too Stan the one still alive I congratulate you. I acknowledge you for your contribution Rehia all of you Willie the experienced ones I applaud you all well done. I acknowledge you Noel the father figure. Even though I did not begin the tributes to the visitors I extend a welcome to you collectively. I welcome these ones as well: Willie the relative uncle Stan Meka Jodie Wyllie for being cheeky so that this matter would be done and dusted—in fact all of you who set about to complete your tasks to turn things round to get to this day.  
This is indeed a wonderful day. We of the Beehive will make sure that it is completed well. So I commend you. As for those who have passed away like Addie and Huia I mourn for them too. As for you the living your efforts to get here Rongowhakaata is greatly admired. We know what the militia did we know the stories. You the elders heard the musket fire and the havoc it created. So I endorse the sentiments expressed by the sister colleague and all of us here. 
]  
I want to mention Maever and Peter Moeau and the part of this claim relating to Nga Uri o Te Kooti Rikirangi. Certainly Te Kooti’s deeds and the reasoning behind them are things that are etched in history. That he was a trader of some knowledge and was into commerce is something that is very interesting. That he was put asunder for whatever reason it is indeed great that we are here today to put all that to rest. He travelled away. He was imprisoned. Certainly the Ringatu Hahi still survives today and I want to mihi to them and to the uri. 
Before I start I want to say that it is a great day and before I forget mihi to the Ministers—Minister Turia and co. and especially Mr Finlayson. I always thought Mr Cullen was the better of the Ministers but I think Mr Finlayson might end up being not too bad actually. I want to recognise his ability because he knows I am going to set to on him about some of these things in here. But I do want to mention him and the officials as at times they are sorely forgotten. I do want to mention and mihi to him. 
So Te Kooti Rikirangi those things and the preserved art forms in several of the houses around the country stand as a signal and a sign to his following and his uri who are still surviving. The fascinating thing is in my mind being a scholar of Treaty settlements and understanding most of them I would say that there is not one worse than this Treaty settlement in terms of what the Crown did to our people in this country. And I am not saying that because they are sitting in the gallery; it is a fact. It was one of the most dastardly actions ever perpetrated ever set to upon any iwi tribe or whanau in this country. Today that we bring it to rest is something that we should be proud of as politicians. 
Raharuhi Rukupo was a master carver and he certainly left his etched signal. I thought I would start off here Minister with Te Hau ki Turanga just in case I forgot and the bell rang. Thank you for its return. Thank you for making sure that it goes back. I was fascinated to read in the summary here about what would happen and the resources and the support that would go to particularly its relocation. I think that is great—that it is to be resourced. But I recall when the Maori land incorporations were returned a lot of the people jumped at it and accepted it. That house has been down here for a long time so we should consider ensuring that the ongoing costs of running and maintaining it are put in here. I read it very carefully. There is a lot of talk about resourcing the relocation of it but not about the continuation of both preserving it and making sure that these people are able to be paid to look after it to be frank because they have shared it with the nation for a long long time. There are ongoing costs. 
You know this is amazing. These people the Crown set to on them. Te Kooti did some interesting things amongst them and for a people to forgive that takes a lot of gumption. For people to accept that that happened and try to get to a better place amongst themselves not just with the Crown is something that they should be respected for because that is exactly what they have done. The thing about history—sad history and bad history—is if you look back too much all you get is a sore neck. At the moment it is a great day for them to be here. 
Prior to 1865 Rongowhakaata had full control of all their resources. They were in control of them they were running businesses and they were looking after themselves and the early settlers. When war broke out Rongowhakaata adopted a policy of neutrality which is fascinating because some of these people have been branded rebels—I am not sure which ones of them but they were branded rebels. They took a neutral stance. It is fascinating that the Crown did not respect that peace that it set to on them not lightly harder than over in Taranaki—it blasted them. It certainly shows that the Crown enacted military force to take a position—both lands and resources—and to disenfranchise them not just from what they had of their own but also to set up the empire’s flag to flutter over the top of them and suggest that they are not needed. Well they have stood the test of time. They are here today. They have a whakapapa and as I debated last week when somebody said that the Crown is returning their mana Rongowhakaata never lost their mana like any of these iwi—never ever ever. The two scholars over there who were waxing lyrical about that last week need to think again. They never lost their mana. That it was impinged on and it was wounded here and there does not mean to say they lost it. Their tino rangatiratanga has certainly stood the test of time. 
As Minister Turia said the Crown’s attack on Waerenga a Hika which included a lot of women and children was abhorrent to say the least. It was one of the worst war situations in this country. And the ongoing looting by the military forces after that is something that we need to remember and get rid of. It is a bit like a movie Rongowhakaata’s history because some of them got sent to the Chathams with no trial conducted in the courts. They were sent there and locked up. It shows their tenacity because they escaped after 2 years. If you have ever been to the Chatham Islands like I have on an aeroplane I do not know how the hang they escaped. But they must have been pretty smart people to escape and they escaped. Then other things happened. The summary executions at Ngatapa by the Crown forces in January 1869 were the worst in my mind. That people were lined up against the cliffs. That they were torn apart by some overzealous young punk who had come from the empire is something that we need to remember. 
So they have been a very brave people and it is a great day for them to be here to see the end of it and that Stan Pardoe is still living for they chew his back every now and again like we do most people in those positions. Stan is still here out of the four original applicants. A lot of these people did this for nothing. That is why the Minister is serious about the whare. 
There is another matter Minister and I just want to read from the Crown’s acknowledgment in subclause (17)(b) in clause 7: “the pollution of Turanga waterways by Gisborne’s sewerage system and industrial waste has had a severe effect on Rongowhakaata including the loss of many traditional sources of kai moana;” and blah-blah-blah. On top of that it has got about the forestry and the erosion and that. Well Minister the sewage is still there. It is getting worse actually. I suggested in the second reading that it is not too late to stump up and that is something that should be put right. I would encourage you to know it a bit harder Minister because it is a continued raupatu—that raw sewage pouring out. There is a local authority there. I hope Meng Foon is watching this. We have got a Chinese mayor who can speak Maori. Kite atu te paru e tuku ana i te takutai moana [ 
You will see raw sewage released on to the foreshore 
] 
 
 dare I mention it. 
I reira ke te pirau o te tangata e haere tonu atu. [ 
You will see human waste floating away there. 
] 
As I round up can I encourage you Minister to consider that on the way through. Kia ora tatou. 
Hon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON (Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations) 
: 
 E nga mana e nga reo koutou ma o Ngati Rongowhakaata nau mai haere mai ki te Paremata. 
[ 
To the authorities and languages you of Ngati Rongowhakaata welcome welcome to Parliament 
.] 
I am genuinely delighted and that is no hyperbole to speak in this third reading debate. I became the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations in late November 2008 and I agreed with my officials that I would destroy their holiday and take them on a hikoi in mid-January 2009 so that I could meet some of the iwi that I would be dealing with. So the first flight was up to Tairawhiti and the first meeting was with the good people who are in the gallery today. That is where I first met Stanley Pardoe Kristen Maynard and others. So it has been even since 2009 a long and somewhat convoluted journey but we are here today and I do acknowledge the negotiators particularly you Stan. It has been great to get to know you and to work with you. I am just so pleased that we have reached this stage. I also wish to acknowledge others who have come from Turanganui a Kiwa to join us today because this is a very very important day in the life of the country and this bill has its unique features. It is not a mere deal as some insultingly describe it. It is a very important settlement of grievances that go to the heart of our nation. It gives effect to a deed that Rongowhakaata have negotiated with the Crown. It contains Crown acknowledgments that are very important—and I suggest that if people do not know much about the history of what happened they should read those acknowledgments and they should read the preamble—and the Rongowhakaata Claims Settlement Bill also contains provisions for cultural and commercial redress. 
It is very important to acknowledge the contribution of negotiators. It is not pro forma thanks because these negotiators in this particular matter have worked on this claim for more than a decade. The tribunal held hearings in the early 2000s and in 2004 the tribunal reported that the history of what went on in Turanganui a Kiwa was marked by grievous Crown breaches of the history and by some of the darkest moments in our nation’s history. More than 40 percent of the men in Turanganui a Kiwa died as a result of Crown military action between 1865 and 1872. 
Settlement negotiations with the Crown began in 2005 and when Dr Cullen—well Sir Michael as he is now—was the Minister in charge of Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations an agreement in principle was signed in September 2008. I was very fortunate to be the Minister to work with the iwi to complete the detail of the settlement and we initialled the deed of settlement at what I thought was a very moving ceremony at Te Papa in July last year. I have to say there was some considerable publicity both on television and in the papers about the initialling and I was expecting quite some negative emails to start flowing in—as so often they do—but I never received anything because I think people deep down acknowledged that this was a taonga that did not belong to Te Papa; it belonged to the people of Rongowhakaata. Then the deed was signed last spring on a beautiful Friday morning in September. 
I believe that it is very important for people to understand just what went on. Mrs Turia has outlined the broad history and I do not think it is necessary or appropriate for me to go over ground that has been so ably covered by her and also by Mr Horomia. But I just want to focus on what for me is very much one of the highlights of this bill and that is the way in which we have managed to reach a resolution for Te Hau ki Turanga because the Crown simply did come in and confiscate it in 1867. It was removed by force and it has been kept in various national museums ever since. Many alterations have been made to Te Hau ki Turanga without the consent of Rongowhakaata. 
I always enjoyed the initial debates I had with some officials about the legal ownership of Te Hau ki Turanga. They were saying: “Well you know the statute said that when Te Papa was created all property of the old Dominion Museum transferred over to Te Papa.” and it sounded all so very legal but the reality of the matter is—as we all know—that the ownership of Te Hau ki Turanga was never surrendered by Rongowhakaata; never handed over with their consent. That is why it is very important to note that clause 23 of the bill makes it clear beyond any doubt at all that Te Hau ki Turanga vests in the trustees nominated by Rongowhakaata. 
 I thought that the Maori Affairs Committee did a very good job and its commentary is worth referring to because it said it is currently housed— 
Hon Parekura Horomia 
: Good chairman. 
Hon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON 
: Oh it is not just the chair. We know that he is a superstar but there are others as well and being the generous soul he is he would be the first to acknowledge that. 
The select committee heard that Rongowhakaata do not wish the return of Te Hau ki Turanga to create a financial burden for future generations and it records that Te Papa and the Ministry for Culture and Heritage have committed themselves to working with Rongowhakaata to ensure a sustainable future for the whare particularly as regards its relocation. I endorse 100 percent what Mr Horomia said. It has been shared with the nation for over 100 years; it is entirely fair and appropriate that central government makes a significant contribution to the ongoing costs. It is certainly not going to be a situation where the Crown simply says to Rongowhakaata: “Well done. It is back in your hands. You look after it.” So I am very much looking forward to engaging with Rongowhakaata—we have already started but I am looking forward to the ongoing engagement—to make sure that in the very near future we determine a way in which it can be relocated to Tairawhiti and that the financial redress of the settlement which will enable the iwi to build a future for themselves in Tairawhiti will not be spent disproportionately on Te Hau ki Turanga. 
Mrs Turia has also outlined the commercial and the financial redress and I am not going to repeat that. I just want to say to the people of Rongowhakaata as if you like the Minister for Arts Culture and Heritage that I am determined and I am very keen to engage with them sooner rather than later so that we can work out when exactly Te Hau ki Turanga can go home and how the Crown can help. 
There are many people who have contributed to this settlement. I acknowledge Mr Horomia who was with me the day the deed was signed. I acknowledge Sir Michael Cullen who oversaw the preliminary negotiation of the agreement in principle. I guess we all thought did we not in 2009 that it would be able to be signed up very quickly but there have been issues. They have required patience and determination—and I see Stan Pardoe nodding. Probably he thinks: “Well Minister that’s an understatement.” I acknowledge my ministerial colleagues. I particularly acknowledge the Minister of Maori Affairs with whom I have so enjoyed working on this matter; the Minister of Conservation who is always very generous when I come knocking about cultural redress; and also the Minister for Land Information. 
Many Government departments and officials have also made very valuable contributions. But as I said in the Ngati Makino debate a couple of hours ago one expects that of officials and Ministers because that is our job but there are people in the gallery who have given and given and given over many years. They have given of their own time given of their weekends and at some financial cost in order to reach this stage. Very few people outside the negotiators for the Crown and the officials I think appreciate the sacrifices that the negotiators of Treaty settlements make on behalf of their people and I salute them for their tenacity their good faith and their courage. 
In conclusion all I want to say is that we have unfinished business—that is the Crown and Rongowhakaata. We have hopefully a strong ongoing relationship that will blossom in the years to come and I can think of no better first task for us to get on with in that new relationship than to focus on Te Hau ki Turanga to see what we can do because from my personal point of view the sooner we can resolve that the sooner that Te Hau ki Turanga goes home the better.  
RINO TIRIKATENE (Labour—Te Tai Tonga) 
: 
 Tena koe te Kaiwhakahaere o te Whare. Tena korua e nga minita koutou ra nga mema o tenei Paremata tena koutou. E aku rangatira e nga iwi o Turanga-nui-a-Kiwa Rongowhakaata Ngai Tamanuhiri Te Aitanga-a-Mahaki tena koutou. Nau mai hara mai whakatau mai ki te Paremata nei tena koutou tena koutou. A mihi atu ki aku whanaunga no Te Wai Pounamu no Kai Tahu whanui kua tae mai nei ki te kaupapa o tenei ra tena koutou. Huri noa i te Whare tena koutou tena koutou kia ora tatou katoa. 
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Greetings to you Mr Speaker of the House you two ministers and indeed all you members of this Parliament salutations. I acknowledge you my leaders and people of Gisborne Rongowhakaata Ngai Tamanuhiri and Te Aitanga-a-Mahaki greetings. Welcome welcome and welcome to this Parliament salutations. To my relatives from the South Island and Kai Tahu at large who came here for the matter of the day I commend you. Greetings then to you throughout the House and to us all. 
] 
Much has been said by the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations and my senior colleagues today in reference to the Rongowhakaata Claims Settlement Bill before us. It gives me great pleasure to be here to speak at this the final reading for Rongowhakaata and nga uri o Te Kooti Rikirangi. This bill is about them and it is a real honour. 
A lot of comments have been made and they are true about the atrocities that were committed against Rongowhakaata. They were heinous: Waerenga a Hika Ngatapa the detentions over at Wharekauri and the confiscations of their lands. I have spoken a lot about those actions in my earlier speeches so I want to focus this final speech on some other aspects of this bill and the settlement. 
The return of the superb piece of artwork the whare known as Te Hau ki Turanga—and I know the speakers before me have spoken a lot about the return of that beautiful beautiful whare—and the ongoing preservation of that revered house will be of great import to the descendants of the master carver Raharuhi Rukupo and the whanau and hapu of the Poverty Bay area. These people of Rongowhakaata are an ingenious people quick to seize upon opportunities advantageous to themselves and were successful international traders right up until 1865. Just the ingenuity of Rongowhakaata—the flight of the so-called rebels from Wharekauri to Turanga is a classic example; my matua here Parekura mentioned that. It is a classic example of what I speak of and the daring of those actions never ceases to amaze me. It was not much of a trick. They were imprisoned for 2 years on a faraway land over there in Wharekauri they overpowered their guards hatched a cunning plan to flag down a schooner and headed back home to Turanga-nui-a-Kiwa. 
It seems to me that the only way to get to and from the Chathams in those days was to steal a boat because Pomare did it from Wellington in 1835—he did the round trip—and Te Kooti and his crew did the return trip back from the Chathams. Those Maoris were not going to paddle their way back—it is too far—but such was the ingenuity sheer willingness to survive and drive to get back home that was demonstrated by the illustrious tupuna of Rongowhakaata who are here today. That is why I have absolute faith in the uri of Rongowhakaata as they look towards their future as the descendants of these intrepid and fearless men and women. I know the leaders of today are well equipped with the knowledge needed in today’s world. 
May I also take this opportunity to acknowledge nga uri o Te Kooti Rikirangi in this bill. Over 130 years of stigmatisation has ended for the descendants of Te Kooti. Finally families back home in Gisborne and uri around the world have an apology from the Crown acknowledging that its actions led to the deprivation of mana for the descendants of this great patriot. His proverbial saying his whakatauki “E kore he tangata o Turanga e kite i a au; e kite he whenua o Turanga i a au” has become a song for the land. It translates as “The people of Turanga will never see me again; the land of Turanga will”. It evokes a new dawn expressed as a belief that his spiritual return will occur as this terrible history is laid to rest through the process of legal settlement which we are going through now in the 21st century. The whakatauki expresses the hopes of five generations that land taken at Turanga will be recognised as having been wrongfully taken. Then the martyr Te Kooti Rikirangi—the man who was exiled as a spy without trial in 1866 without cause—may be able to return home. 
Finally I would like to encourage the history of Rongowhakaata that has been outlined in the Crown acknowledgments and the Crown apologies in this bill—that Treaty history and these texts stories and histories that are a huge contribution to our national history—I want to encourage our nation as a whole to grasp the lessons of the history that is now etched on our statute book. We do not want them to be just sitting on the shelf. I would like to encourage this Government or whoever is in Government that we make sure that our Treaty history as outlined in these Treaty bills becomes compulsory teaching in our social studies classes for our tamariki right throughout the motu. I think it is very important that this history is known and that it is educated to not only this generation but also generations to come. 
May I acknowledge my colleagues in the Maori Affairs Committee under the chair of the Hon Tau Henare and all our fellow members. I also acknowledge the work of Minister Finlayson and his officials. I am a new member to this House and I do think that in a way we are finishing off the hangi but it was actually laid down by those before us. It has the hands of that great statesman Sir Michael Cullen and other people and administrations that have been awhi-ing and tautoko-ing this bill right from the early days. It is a pleasure to be participating in this third reading and to be part of the select committee to bring this bill to its final passing. 
Finally I would like to mihi to Rongowhakaata to Stan Pardoe—I see Lewis up there—and to all of the kaumatua and kuia who have travelled all this way. It is a real honour to mihi and to speak to this bill. I know it is a very important day for you. It harks back to my own memories obviously when I was sitting up there with my whanaunga from the south when we were having the passing of our own legislation down there for Ngai Tahu. So I know how you must be feeling today: very proud. I join you and we all join you in the celebration today. We acknowledge the many many years of hard work that you have committed Stan and your team there but also we acknowledge the many ancestors who have gone before you. I am very proud to celebrate this with you today and I mihi to you all. Kia ora tatou katoa. 
METIRIA TUREI (Co-Leader—Green) 
: 
 Tena koe Mr Speaker. E te Mangai o te Whare tena koe. Tuarua ki nga mema o to tatou Whare tena koutou katoa. Tuatoru e mihi atu ki te Wiki o Te Reo Maori tena koutou katoa. Ki a Rongowhakaata ki nga uri o Te Kooti Rikirangi tena koutou katoa. 
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Thank you Mr Speaker. Greetings to you Mr Speaker of the House. Secondly to the members of our House greetings to you all. Thirdly I acknowledge Maori Language Week greetings to you all. To Rongowhakaata and relatives of Te Kooti Rikirangi salutations to you all 
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The Green Party is pleased to support the Rongowhakaata Claims Settlement Bill at its third reading and to see this bill passed. I want to acknowledge the contribution made by my colleague Catherine Delahunty in the second reading. Catherine Delahunty was resident in this rohe as she talked about at that time and has a very strong personal connection to this area and to the people there. She talked about that personal experience of being a Pakeha women living in this rohe knowing these stories and the hardship that resulted or that was suffered by the mana whenua in these areas. 
Those kinds of contributions from particularly I think Pakeha are very important in this House because it recognises that each person stands to speak and say what their experience was and how they have related to those issues in their life. It acknowledges that tangata Tiriti have a role in this country and have a place to stand in this country and are as much a part of the history of the process of colonisation as any other. We can therefore take responsibility for our role as a citizen in a country that has been colonised and we can acknowledge the history of hurt that was caused by the State which represents us by the Government forces that have represented us and perhaps even by our own whanau in some circumstances in the past not with a sense of guilt but with a sense of acknowledgment peace and justice. 
It is a very important contribution to make. So I appreciate that I have the opportunity today to speak as a Maori woman Kahungunu Ati Hau woman on this legislation and to congratulate Rongowhakaata on all of their work in bringing this legislation into the House as well as all of those who have spoken before me on this legislation. Tena koutou katoa. 
The history of this of Rongowhakaata is probably one of the better known histories actually. It has been written about in various forms because of the extraordinary personality that was Te Kooti and the abuse of that history—of the genuine history of Te Kooti at this time. It is actually one of the stories that is perhaps one of the better known although probably quite badly misrepresented over time. I agree with my colleague from Labour who talked about the need for these stories to be told in their fullness and from the mana whenua perspective about what happened during that time so that the history that our kids have and that their kids will have is an honest and true one and shows both sides if you like. It is OK that those stories might be different but there are two stories to be told and both are essential. 
Twenty-two rangatira of Rongowhakaata signed the Treaty. They were invaded by military forces Government forces. Members of Rongowhakaata were killed a number were exiled they were rescued by Te Kooti and there was retaliation by Te Kooti against those who were part of that exile process. As a result the Crown forces came in very hard on the hapu and iwi there capturing the pa and executing a number of the prisoners caught in that process. That is set out quite well in the bill and I think it is good that it is because again that is a very explicit description of the story. But as a result Rongowhakaata lost virtually all their land and were left almost entirely landless. The titles were individualised—I know we have heard this story repeated a few times today—so that it became even more difficult for Rongowhakaata to retain any kind of control over their own natural resources. 
 The settlement process is designed to return some kind of compensation some kind of redress for the actions of the Crown. As well we talk a lot in this House during Treaty settlements about the generosity of iwi in accepting these settlements knowing that the redress the compensation for the harms caused is just absolutely minute compared with the harm and the hurt that they have suffered. I want to again acknowledge that generosity partly for Rongowhakaata and partly to Rongowhakaata because it is actually the rest of the community that needs to understand the extent of that generosity. 
The Green Party has always said from the time we started here in Parliament with our parliamentary presence that the Treaty settlement process was not a just one. We have without apology talked during Treaty settlement debates about the Crown failures. We consider it part of our fundamental responsibility when we stand up in this House and talk about Treaty settlements not only to acknowledge the iwi and all of the work that goes into seeing them come to the House at this point but also to hold the Crown to account for its failures. That is a necessary part of this process however uncomfortable for whichever Government is currently running the country. We said the same things when Labour was in Government as we say when National is in Government: the settlement process itself has flaws and those flaws create undue hardship for the iwi who in good faith genuine good faith are working with the Crown as best they can to find some redress for their whanau and for their iwi and hapu so that they can move on at least at this point. 
It is important in our view as the Green Party that we do hold the Crown to account because there are few others who are able to do so and that is part of our critical role here in Parliament. To that extent I feel compelled not only to acknowledge the importance of the return of the whare in this legislation and what that means for Rongowhakaata but also to express our real concern that Rongowhakaata are not required to carry the burden of the return of that whare. It is their right and entitlement to have it back as they see fit in a way that they see fit at a time that they see fit. It remains in our view an ongoing obligation on the Crown to make sure that Rongowhakaata have what they need to care for that whare as they see fit well into the future. 
This would be a clear demonstration by the Crown of what the Minister was talking about earlier which is that it is the actions of the Crown from this point on that will develop a relationship of trust with Rongowhakaata. It is the actions of the Crown that count from this point on. One of the actions that the Crown can commit to is to ensure that Rongowhakaata have everything they need at every step of the way to make sure that that whare is returned and returned in a way that it can be cared for well into the future. That would be a clear demonstration of good faith by the Crown to an ongoing relationship in our view. 
Finally I want to acknowledge those who have died during the time of the process of this settlement to Parliament. As we know settlements take a long time. People who work on them often do not see them to fruition. I acknowledge the work of all those who will see this settlement work into the future and I wish Rongowhakaata and Nga Uri o Te Kooti Rikirangi the best best wishes for the future. Kia ora. 
Hon Dr PITA SHARPLES (Co-Leader—Maori Party) 
: 
 Tena koe. Tena koe. E nga maunga Puketapu Manawaru Horouta waka Takitimu waka nga uri o Ruapani Rongowhakaata Tamanuhiri nau mai hara mai ra. Hara mai ra ki Te Whanga-nui-a-Tara hara mai ra ki tenei Whare Paremata. E tika ana kia mihi atu ki a tatau mate nga mea kua mauria e koutou ki ro Whare nei kia tu honohono a tatau mate. Hoki aku mahara ki a Timi tera Ariki kua tukuna atu me o koutou mate a tatau mate na reira haere koutou okioki pai mai i te Kaihanga hei whariki ma matau. Na reira koutou ki a koutou nga mate. Kia hoki ki te kaupapa o te ra nei tena koutou tena koutou nau mai ra. He ra whakahirahira tenei he ra nui. Kua oti ke te hikoi. Rua tekau tau koutou e kawe ana i tenei kaupapa mai i te wa i timata ai i whakatakoto ai tenei kereme ki mua i te aroaro o te kawana. Na reira kia tangi atu ki a Heni ki a Peter Gordon ki a Darcy. Na ra kai te ora tonu koe Stan ka whakaaro au noho tonu. Na reira tangi atu ki a ratau na ratau i kawe te kaupapa nei. 
Ki te korero tatau e pa ana ki tenei kereme hoki nga mahara ki ta koutou hitori te wa o te pakanga te mamae te taumaha te whakatorotorotanga o nga pa me era ahuatanga muru whenua. 
Na reira tena koutou tena koutou tena koutou kua tae i tenei rangi. Ko te wa tuatoru ka panuihia tenei pepa pire kei roto i te Whare Paremata nei i te wa whakamutunga. Mai i tenei ka whakaturetia mai i tera ka riro ki a koutou te whakapaha o te kawana nga taonga me era atu ki a koutou. Mohio ano ahakoa kua oti tena kei roto tonu i a koutou nga maumaharatanga ki a ratau kua ngaro atu i enei wa i te pakanga nei. Na reira tena koutou tena koutou katoa. 
Kai te mihi au ki a koutou Minister Finlayson. He tika tana korero he kaha nei te haere ki roto i nga iwi ki te whakatikatika i nga kereme. 
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Thank you. I welcome you the mountains Puketapu and Manawaru Horouta canoe Takitimu canoe and the descendants of Ruapani Rongowhakaata and Tamanuhiri welcome welcome. Welcome indeed to this Parliament House. It is appropriate that I acknowledge our dead the ones you brought into this House here to intermingle with our dead. So my thoughts go back to that high chief Timi just interred as well as your dead and our dead. Rest well there with the Creator to become a mat for us. Therefore remain there the dead amongst your own. Allow me to return to the theme of the day greetings acknowledgments and welcome indeed. This is an important day and a great one. The journey is done. For 20 years you took responsibility for this matter from the time this claim began until it was put before the Government. So I mourn the loss of Heni Peter Gordon and Darcy. However I note that you are still alive Stan and think to myself stay alive. So mourn for them the ones who took responsibility for this matter.  
When we talk about this claim memories about your history the period relating to the battle the seriousness setting down redress and those aspects around land confiscation will be recalled.  
To you who have arrived here today salutations greetings and acknowledgments to you collectively. This is the third reading of this bill and the final stage in this House of Parliament. From here it will be passed into law and from that point the Government’s apology with assets and so on will become yours. Be mindful of the fact that even though it has been settled memories of them who are lost from us today as a consequence of this battle will remain within you. So I acknowledge and commend you all.  
Acknowledgments as well to you and your team the honourable Minister Chris Finlayson. What was stated is correct—he moves tirelessly among the tribes to tidy up claims. 
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I was one who missed out on my holiday as well because Minister Finlayson was so keen to get out amongst the iwi. That is how quick off the mark he was. In 2005 he was elected the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations and at the end of the year during the Christmas holiday he spent the whole time going around—up to you and everywhere else. Kei te mihi au ki a koe e Chris Finlayson me to tima me nga kaiwhiriwhiri kua tono atu e koe ki roto i nga iwi o Te Tai Rawhiti nei. 
Na huri aku korero i naianei ki nga mahi a te Karauna na ratau koutou i tukino i te wa o te pakanga. 
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I commend you Chris Finlayson your team and negotiators whom you sent in to the tribes of this East Coast.  
My comments turn now to address the actions of the Crown which was responsible for these atrocities upon you at the time of the battle 
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 In the years 1840 to 1860 Rongowhakaata enjoyed a period of peace and economic development. With the local rivers fertile soil and kai moana Rongowhakaata lived in abundance enjoying a measure of prosperity and of trade and operating several trading ships. When approached to sell land they refused these things and hung on to all of their rawa and their lands and their mana. They refused to sell. What a change was about to take place in the next decade. 
In November 1865 large Crown military forces came to Turanga after fighting Paimarire converts on the East Coast. The Crown laid siege to the defensive pa of Waerenga a hika and captured it in November 1865. At least 71 occupants of the pa were killed during that assault. The Crown acknowledges that it used military force when there was no need to do so that it did not pursue all reasonable options for preserving peace in Turanga and that the Crown’s attack was unwarranted and unjust and caused severe and long-term prejudice to Rongowhakaata. 
In 1866 the Crown exiled approximately 116 Turanga men including Te Kooti Rikirangi to the Chatham Islands and we have heard korero about that. They were detained without trial or conviction for 2 years in harsh conditions until they escaped in 1868. The Crown acknowledges that the indefinite detention of many Rongowhakaata including Te Kooti Rikirangi on the Chatham Islands was an injustice that deprived them of basic human rights. It was wrongful contrary to natural justice and impacted not only on the prisoners but on their whanau and hapu who remained in Turanga. The Crown also acknowledges that the unjust treatment of Te Kooti Rikirangi gave him reason to distrust the Crown when he was offered the chance to return to Turanga after his arrival back on the Mainland. 
But in 1868 Rongowhakaata were pressured by the Crown to cede all their lands to the Crown. This cessation was made under duress as the Crown had threatened to remove all its protection unless the entire district was ceded. All Rongowhakaata’s customary interests in their lands were extinguished. By December 1868 Te Kooti Rikirangi and his followers had retreated to Ngatapa Pa where they were surrounded by Crown forces in conjunction with Maori allies. Te Kooti Rikirangi and some of his followers escaped in early January 1869 and were pursued for several days. The Crown again acknowledges that the Ngatapa siege and its aftermath caused the death of many Rongowhakaata and had a devastating impact on the iwi and the whole of Turanga. In subsequent years the Poverty Bay Commission and the Native Land Court awarded individual titles which only helped the alienation of those titles. 
These and other breaches have left Rongowhakaata virtually landless and without enough resources to meet their present and future needs. The breaches of the Treaty in the Turanga area were extremely significant and have had many lasting effects for Rongowhakaata so I would like to take this opportunity to highlight the Crown apology contained in the deed of settlement and subsequently this Rongowhakaata Claims Settlement Bill. The apology is significant as it takes a step towards healing the hurt that is felt as a result of the Treaty breaches. I would like to refer to tera whare rongonui ataahua kua hangaia i raro i a Raharuhi Rukupo na e whakaae ana kia whakahokia tenei taonga ki te iwi [ 
that famous and beautiful house built under the guidance of Raharuhi Rukupo and I concur that this treasure be returned to the tribe 
]. 
But as with many Treaty settlement redress items there are costs associated with the return of wahi tapu or taonga. I am heartened to know that Rongowhakaata do not wish the return of Te Hau ki Turanga to create a financial burden for future generations. As such Te Papa Tongarewa will work with Rongowhakaata and the Ministry for Culture and Heritage to ensure a sustainable future for the whare particularly in relation to its relocation. This is a significant step towards righting the wrongs of the past and mending the relationship between Rongowhakaata and the Crown. 
This bill today also outlines the redress provided to Nga Uri o Te Kooti Rikirangi the other claim that we are hearing as well and I acknowledge Peter and Maever Moeau. It acknowledges and is in recognition of the stigmatisation of the descendants of Te Kooti Rikirangi. This redress includes the vesting of Matawhero Reserve the payment of $250000 for purposes of Te Whare Rakei o Te Kooti Rikirangi the payment of $200000 to Nga Uri o Te Kooti Rikirangi and a relationship with the Department of Conservation with regard to interpretation material that refers to Te Kooti Rikirangi. This redress is a significant step towards rehabilitating the reputation of Te Kooti Rikirangi and acknowledging the discrimination experienced by his descendants. 
The settlement also provides for the establishment of a central leadership group and a local leadership body. The central leadership group has been established to provide a forum for Rongowhakaata along with other Turanga iwi—and I think this is pretty important—to engage with central government departments and ensure that the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi are being implemented in a coordinated manner within the Turanga region. The local leadership body will work with the local council to contribute to the sustainable management of resources within the Turanga region. These redress items provide Rongowhakaata with a valuable opportunity to engage with central and local government on a range of issues that affect their rohe in the wider region. 
So tena koutou Noel. Tena koutou Ngai Tamanuhiri Rongowhakaata kua tae katoa mai koutou i tenei wa mo tenei rangi whakahirahira e tika ana kia mihi atu ki a koutou tena koutou tena koutou. 
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Noel thank you and your people. Thank you Ngai Tamanuhiri and Rongowhakaata all of you are here at this point in time in regard to this momentous day. Therefore it is fitting that I acknowledge you collectively greetings and congratulations 
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The settlement redress provided for in this bill seeks to recognise the seriousness of Rongowhakaata grievances and to build a positive foundation for future generations of their iwi. I therefore commend this bill to the House. Kia ora. 
BRENDAN HORAN (NZ First) 
:  
Ka tangi te titi ka tangi te kaka ka tangi hoki ahau tihei mauri ora. E nga iwi e nga reo e nga mana e nga matawaka tena koutou tena koutou tena koutou katoa. E rau rangatira ma ka mihi atu i runga i te karanga o te ra tena koutou tena koutou tena ano tatou katoa. 
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The muttonbird calls the parrot calls and I call as well behold the breath of life. To the tribes voices authorities and kinship groups greetings to you greetings to you and greetings to you all. Oh leaders of a hundredfold I pay homage to you in respect of the call of the day so acknowledgments salutations and congratulations once again to us all 
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I rise on behalf of New Zealand First to acknowledge and support the third reading of the Rongowhakaata Claims Settlement Bill. I cannot help but wonder; I know the media is somewhere out there watching on closed-circuit television but just imagine if we were in the States right now. What would be happening? Every network would be screening this rich histories would be exposed and movie rights would be bought and sold. Even in Australia they would have this all over the networks. But what is going to lead the news tonight? Is this rich tapestry the tragic stories the amazing day that is today the settlement and the apology going to lead the news tonight? Or is gay marriage going to lead the news tonight? 
Metiria Turei 
: What’s wrong with gay marriage? 
BRENDAN HORAN 
: I feel very sad and yes I can understand the Greens saying: “What is wrong with gay marriage?”. What is wrong is that New Zealand’s history is at stake here; the knowledge the healing of New Zealand and New Zealanders—that is what is at stake. I think it is sad that tonight it probably will not lead the news; that tonight all of New Zealand will not be listening will not be hearing about what really happened and what a great day today really is. 
I agree with the sentiments of many of the speakers before me—in particular Parekura Horomia. The atrocities perpetrated by the Crown on Rongowhakaata are heinous and well documented. In 1868 in Nga Uri over a hundred Rongowhakaata including Te Kooti were put on boats and exiled without trial to the Chathams. This took place in the winter months of March to June. It is somewhat of a miracle and testimony to their prodigious strength that they even survived the journey and then to escape 2 years later is absolutely phenomenal and amazing. 
Around the same time we must think about the people of Ngatapa where a hundred men were lined up and shot in the head. Shortly after but still in 1868 Te Hau ki Turanga was confiscated from Ngati Kaipoho. For those people who are watching on television Te Hau ki Turanga is a mighty meeting house carved by Raharuhi Rukupo. Raharuhi is also the biblical term for Lazarus and with the imminent return of their spiritual home Rongowhakaata look forward to a Lazarus-like return to prosperity in body spirit and mind. 
The return of this meeting house is paramount and much anticipated and I must acknowledge the comments made by Minister Finlayson and the hope that he imbibes those comments. We look forward to that process being dealt with as expeditiously as possible. We also want to make sure that the Crown pays for the insurance as well because insurance costs are very high. But the meeting house the taonga has also been plundered over the years as the Minister alluded to with changes being made and also over 60 taonga missing from the meeting house. 
The hurt humiliation atrocities and terror inflicted upon Rongowhakaata can never be fully compensated for because after all who can raise the dead? In financial terms one cannot replace what was lost when Maori landowners were dispossessed of their land only to watch European farmers lease that land at peppercorn rates borrow on the equity and build empires whilst Maori were catapulted into poverty. As with so many historical grievances the journey to this point has been extremely hard—taxing arduous. So much hard work has been done by so many people who have passed on. I would say special praise and acknowledgment to two leading elders of the Gisborne region who are no longer with us but no doubt are here in spirit. I refer to Darcy Ria and Heni Sunderland. We mourn their loss but celebrate their inspiration which has led us to the achievement of this settlement and immensely special day. We also acknowledge and thank the negotiators Stan Pardoe and Jody Wyllie Meka Whaitiri Maever Moeau and Peter Moeau and also from the Office of Treaty Settlements Andrew McConnell and his team. Well done everyone involved. 
We in New Zealand First also celebrate the transparency of the Rongowhakaata Trust in putting forward their strategic plan last October. The 10 trustees were democratically elected from five marae and we wish them well in the implementation of their strategic plan. It is great to see the trustees committing to regular bimonthly updates through the Rongowhakaata website and Facebook. This settlement is long waited for and richly deserved. Now another journey awaits: one of self-determination. I will leave you with a Maniapoto saying given to Maniapoto before his journey over to England to make a plea to Queen Victoria. 
Ka hora te marino kia whakapapa pounamu te moana kia tere te karohirohi i mua i to huarahi. For those who are again out there and do not understand Maori: may the calm be widespread may the ocean glisten like greenstone and may the shimmer of many summers dance across your pathway. Kia ora. 
Hon TAU HENARE (National) 
: 
 Te mea tuatahi ki a au ki aku rangatira tena koutou a tena koutou i haere mai i tenei ra i runga i te kaupapa o te ra nei no reira nau mai haere mai. 
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First of all acknowledgments to you my leaders who came here today in respect of the matter of the day so salutations and welcome welcome 
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I suppose I should start off by saying there is a conflict of interest but I do not actually see it as a conflict of interest so I will not. Can I pass on my respects to Stan Meka Jody Willie and the team for Rongowhakaata and everybody else who has been involved in that side of it. 
As I said last week in the second reading of the Rongowhakaata Claims Settlement Bill I find this story to be one of the most interesting that has not been told in New Zealand’s history. I want to give you if I may some parallels to other happenings around the world. Around about the same time as the battle of Waerenga a Hika and as Ngatapa—20 years difference or so after the battle of Waerenga a Hika and the slaughter and massacre at Ngatapa—is one of the world’s better-known massacres and that is the massacre at Wounded Knee. I suppose it brings me to the fact that this country had better start owning its own history. This is not Rongowhakaata’s history; this is our history—this is New Zealand’s history. We should not refer to it as their issue; it is our issue. We had better start teaching this stuff in our schools because although to some people “ignorance is bliss” most of the time when there is ignorance around you do not know who you are and you do not know where you are going. And you certainly do not know where you come from. 
There is a whole brilliant history in Rongowhakaata not only about the sad occasions. There are happy occasions as well that we need to be telling our mokopuna our babies and ourselves about like the fact that Te Kooti was not some layabout who sat around thinking about how to diddle the Crown out of whatever. He was actually out there as a business person seeking betterment for his own people. That is a trait that I think everybody in this House should and most probably does stand up and applaud. 
About this “deal” to call it a deal—I suppose a deal in real terms is when both sides are getting what they want. You know you go down to the car market and make a deal with the guy whom you want to buy a car from. It is pretty obvious that this is not that sort of deal and that all the power is in the Crown’s hands. But having said that the two sides if I can use those terms have come together and decided on a historical account some cultural redress some commercial redress and some specific research for Nga Uri o Te Kooti Rikirangi. I pick up where Minister Finlayson Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations so eloquently left off and that is about Te Hau ki Turanga. This is not just about the stealing of a whare by some Crown agents because that was just the start of it. To try to fit it into the Dominion Museum they cut most of the carvings apart. So it is in the light of that ongoing I suppose rape of our culture and violation of our culture that to see the return of Te Hau ki Turanga in the most appropriate manner—and might I say maybe as an arts centre for New Zealand—is I think one of the most appropriate parts of this settlement. 
For too long Maori have been told they are sick dumb uneducated and poor. I do hope that what we do today says to our people especially that you are not sick dumb uneducated and poor; you are the most brilliant people this side of the southern hemisphere and most probably beyond. I have so much respect and love for our people that it is not funny. From this day forth I will not ever speak of anything that is bad about my own because it is about time that we patted ourselves on the back regardless of the statistics and said that we are on our way and we have been for a thousand years. We should not compare ourselves with Pakeha Samoans Chinese or whoever. We should compare ourselves with the bright lights of our own people. We should compare ourselves with people like Rukupo like Ngarimu and like so many of our other ancestors. I am not going to buy in to any more of the statistics that basically are used to keep us down and make us feel sad about ourselves. There is nothing to be sad about. I think this occasion and these occasions as we have started from 9 o’clock this morning show that our people are with it and that they can sit down with the best of them and negotiate a reasonable deal. I will not say it is a good deal; I will never say it is a good deal. A good deal would be having it all back. But we know that that is impossible and so this is a reasonable deal. 
I want to close by saying what I said and what I will say continually. My message to Rongowhakaata is this: beware of companies and shysters bearing good little ideas on how to spend your money. It is your money and it is your settlement. It is for you to show the way for the rest of us. So please beware of those people out there who knock on your door and say: “Boy have I got a deal for you!”. As soon as they say that shut the door and make sure you let the dogs loose. 
It is fun; I am full of happiness and joy for Rongowhakaata and for Maori that we can boost ourselves up and we can boost our people up especially when they deserve being boosted up. No reira e aku matua e aku koroua tena koutou tena koutou kia ora mai tatou katoa. 
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So to my fathers and elders greetings salutations and acknowledgments to you and to us all 
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Hon NANAIA MAHUTA (Labour—Hauraki-Waikato) 
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 Tena koe tena koutou. E tapiri atu aku mihi maioha ki a koutou Rongowhakaata i pakaru te kaha ki te whakatutuki i tenei kaupapa kei mua i te aroaro i tenei wa no reira ki a koutou katoa ka nui te mihi atu. 
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Thank you and salutations to you collectively. I add my loving regards to you Rongowhakaata who worked really hard to bring this matter before us at this point in time to a conclusion. I acknowledge you greatly 
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It gives me great pleasure to join in the previous comments supporting the legislation that is about to go through the House today the Rongowhakaata Claims Settlement Bill. Having read the historical background in the bill and also listened to Minister Turia and my colleague the Hon Parekura Horomia I will tread lightly on the history of Rongowhakaata and Nga Uri o Te Kooti Rikirangi lest I tread in the wrong place. So please do not take my contribution as a diminishing of the intent of the legislation except to say I recognise in the bill a huge huge step forward in terms of the intent of Rongowhakaata and Nga Uri o Te Kooti Rikirangi in coming together to work forward for the betterment of your people and most certainly for future generations. 
With that in mind there are five brief words in this bill that we should all cherish when we think about Treaty settlement legislation: “This Act binds the Crown.” Underpinning those five small words is a deed of settlement with much of the substance of the intent of Rongowhakaata and Nga Uri o Te Kooti Rikirangi about what they want to aspire to. We should always remember that because this is Maori Language Week and when the good people of New Zealand look at Parliament and listen to the debates it is my sincere hope that they do not judge us just on question time. It is my sincere hope that they believe that we are contributing to trying to make New Zealand a better place and Treaty settlements are but one of the ways in which New Zealand is becoming a better place. Why? Because it resolves the historical injustices of the past. Why? Because it shows the magnitude and magnanimity of spirit that Maori have had despite history to try to move forward. Why? Because the Crown with some level of humility recognises that it has a long way to go to rectify the hurt of the past but also the necessity of ensuring the durability of settlements despite this. 
So to the good people of New Zealand who are listening to the debates on Treaty settlements in the House today it is my sincere hope that you see this as a positive step that can build a nation that is committed to rectifying history in some small way to telling both sides of the story. Part of Rongowhakaata’s bill seeks to rectify that story. We often tell the history of other iwi very poorly in this House and it is often drawn from what is written in the legislation but again it is my sincere hope that in the schools throughout New Zealand—and especially in this instance in the Rongowhakaata region itself in their schools—they can tell both sides of the story. They were never ever told to them their parents or the parents before them. But to their children yes history can be rectified. 
I also wanted to comment briefly on the magnanimity of the people of Rongowhakaata and Nga Uri o Te Kooti Rikirangi in ceding much of the varied claims in their rohe to be able to get to this point. Clause 14 outlines the extent and the nature of I guess the undertakings that had to be sought to be able to come to this point today. And we should never ever forget that many many smaller claims have made up the context of this bigger claim. 
It is important because often I have sat on a number of select committees where people feel very aggrieved at giving up their own Waitangi Tribunal claim to be able to join a larger comprehensive claim—that their particular grievances and hurts cannot be told. So I want to draw the attention of the House to each and every one of those Wai claims in clause 14 and I want to acknowledge for the record that it is no small matter that iwi have managed to consolidate collective interests of this nature. It is very significant. It is an important act of goodwill that I certainly as a member of this House want to acknowledge and I pay tribute to the leadership of those involved in negotiating the intent of this claim. Much of the debate has focused on the opportunities for successful implementation and again I remind us of those five key words: “This Act binds the Crown.” It should bind the Crown in every generation that seeks to give life to the intent of Treaty settlements but we have to be vigilant. Although politicians come and go the iwi collective memory is very vivid and it stays the same and people will carry the torch of intent of Treaty settlements in ways that we can never fathom or understand. We have to be diligent as parliamentarians and certainly when you are on the Treasury benches representing the Crown implementing the full extent of undertakings within Treaty settlements. So the cultural redress components are really important. 
Members before me have spoken about the need to return Te Hau ki Turanga back to Rongowhakaata and can I just say this one thing. Despite the nature by which this house has come into the public domain and provenance I want to acknowledge that this house has been a huge gift to the nation. For every person who has visited Te Papa Tongarewa for every person who has been able to get a glimmer of the richness and the value of Maori culture and its contribution to shaping the identity of New Zealand this particular whare has played a huge role. So I want to acknowledge that because it is not well said and expressed and I want that recognition to go into  
Hansard 
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The second aspect is really on the implementation of the protocols. Can I just say that there are a range of protocols here that give body to the opportunities going forward for the claimant groups. The conservation protocol the Crown minerals protocol the fisheries protocol and the taonga tuturu protocol—each of those will require the strong commitment of the Crown’s representatives through age and time to ensure that those protocols are able to be delivered upon. No matter which administration comes into force it is a minimum expectation. This is I guess the part of settlements where I become I guess very cautioned—probably by our own experience and our own settlement back home—that unless we as parliamentarians are diligent for the benefit of the intent of the Crown for successful implementation then memories will soon fade and the intents of these protocols will be lost and perhaps not as successfully implemented as is anticipated today. 
That is the very reason why I think the statement of the Minister is absolutely correct. When it comes to Treaty settlements this small part is a step along the way to a much greater intent and that is to see the full realisation of the dreams and aspirations of Rongowhakaata Nga Uri o Te Kooti Rikirangi realised in some very tangible ways which the Crown must give body to. 
With that small contribution again I want to commend the bill to the House and I am proud that our members of the Maori Affairs Committee have been unwavering and unstinting in their support of the four bills that have come before us today and have shown us that there is a lot to look forward to especially for the people of Rongowhakaata who are no strangers to providing opportunity for their people for looking for economic development opportunities for investing in the future of their next generation and more important for preparing themselves well to be able to move forward successfully. 
No reira i raro i tera o nga tino pitopito korero ka tapiri atu aku whakaaro ki era i waihotia i roto i te Whare nei tena koutou katoa. 
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So after that really very brief contribution I add my thoughts to those presented by others in this House and commend you all. 
] 
LOUISE UPSTON (National—Taupo) 
: 
 Tena koe Mr Speaker tena koe e te Whare. Tena koutou nga iwi rangatira o Rongowhakaata tena koutou. Ko McGill toku iwi ko Karapiro taku kainga ko Maungatautari taku maunga ko Waikato te awa. Kei ahau te rohe poti o Taupo ko Louise Upston ahau. 
[ 
Thank you Mr Speaker and greetings to the House. To the revered people of Rongowhakaata salutations and acknowledgments to you collectively. My clan is McGill my home is Karapiro Maungatautari is my mountain and Waikato is the river. I have the Taupo electorate and my name is Louise Upston 
.]  
I am very proud to speak in the third reading of the Rongowhakaata Claims Settlement Bill. It is fantastic to see so many of you here on this very momentous occasion. This will be a day that goes down in your history and ours. 
One of the words that we use quite a lot when we talk about Treaty settlements is the partnership that is forged between iwi and the Crown. The completion of the legislation and the completion of the third reading here today will cement that relationship that partnership in a new way. We also talk about the fact that settlements unlock the economic potential for iwi for the region in which you live and for the country as a whole. But I think that more important it unlocks the potential of our people and I use the word “our” very deliberately because it is your people and ours who will benefit from the history that is made here today. 
Some of my colleagues have spoken at length in summary of your settlement so I do not want to traverse that in too much detail other than just to be very present to the fact that the Waitangi Tribunal has described the Treaty breaches arising from the Crown military action against the Turanga iwi as some of the worst in our history. That is part of our history that none of us should be proud of. But I think it is also important to acknowledge that it is part of our history. The settlement includes the historical account and the Crown acknowledgments which form the basis for the Crown apology to Rongowhakaata and that is what I want to just spend a bit of time on today in this House. On 1 October 2011 the Treaty settlements Minister the Hon Christopher Finlayson delivered the extensive apology for the Crown’s conduct in the 1860s which included the operation of the Poverty Bay Commission and the execution of between 86 and 128 unarmed prisoners at Ngatapa pa. 
I was not present as some of my colleagues were when that Crown apology was delivered but I was present for the Crown apology to Raukawa. Raukawa is an iwi in the Taupo electorate. I wondered if I could have your indulgence for a moment to share with you my experience of being present at that Crown apology. My memories of that day will be for ever etched as part of my history because it showed me a whole different level of partnership and what is possible—from the powhiri and through the speeches tears literally fell upon the ground at the memory of the history and the stories that were told of the challenges of the negotiation of the many hours of effort that went on and of the passing of those who were then not present on the day that the Crown apology was delivered. It was no surprise to me that day for the Raukawa apology that also the rain fell from the sky. To me that was the tears and the rain playing a part in cleansing some of that pain. I just feel so immensely privileged to have experienced a Crown apology. And I was immensely proud of Minister Finlayson. Some would say that that was the delivery of words of a speech but I can promise to those of you who are listening who may have never had the experience of witnessing a Crown apology it is a moment to behold and it is part of our history. 
I am sorry to those here from Rongowhakaata that I personally was not present for your apology but I can believe what was in your heart and your minds and your soul as you heard that apology. That is what we bring to this House on this occasion in the third reading of your settlement bill. The thing that was very present was aroha. I think that is the essence of partnership. When we talk about Treaty settlements being a partnership between iwi and the Crown that is where a new beginning is possible that is where that potential gets to be unlocked. It is exciting to be here today. 
Earlier today in the two bills that have gone before I have talked about making sure that we share the stories. You are very good at sharing your stories—far better than some of the rest of us are. So part of the story is to look at the new chapter and the new story. Perhaps it is a book or even a trilogy—trilogies are in these days. Perhaps what we should instead be focusing on is what comes next. And I look forward to hearing more of Rongowhakaata and where you take this day. 
I am very proud to speak in this reading to speak of the partnership between Crown and the iwi. In recognition of Te Wiki o Te Reo Maori I hope we can imprint this in Te Reo as well as English to make sure that this moment in history—this moment in time—lasts for many more of us for our children and for our grandchildren. It is fantastic to see tamariki in the gallery to witness this moment. Congratulations. No reira tena koutou. 
CHARLES CHAUVEL (Labour) 
: 
 It is an honour to take a call in this debate and in particular to follow my colleagues on this side of the House the Hon Nanaia Mahuta the Hon Parekura Horomia and Rino Tirikatene because I want to associate myself with the remarks that they have made already in this debate. 
Next Wednesday I will have been a member of this House for 6 years but I have not asked to participate in a Treaty settlement debate until now. My conversation with my colleague Parekura Horomia earlier this afternoon led us to agree that I should do so on this occasion as shadow Attorney-General because as many people in the gallery know I am a person who was born and spent the first two decades of his life in the rohe of Rongowhakaata. My family and I experienced the great generosity of the tangata whenua of that part of our country while we were living in that part of New Zealand. I wish to add my personal words of tribute gratitude and acknowledgment to those who have already spoken in the debate today. 
My mother’s family arrived in Gisborne as immigrants from Scotland in the 1940s. My father came to Gisborne a little bit later. He came to New Zealand to go to school. He came to Gisborne to practice law. He did some work for a number of people whom I see present today helping them with their land and estate work before it was an area of practice that was popular or in vogue. He was very proud of the work that he did. In the 1970s and 1980s my sister and I went to school in your rohe. 
As I mentioned earlier the generosity that my family and I as manuhiri to that rohe experienced is always something that strikes me when I look back on my childhood and when we contemplate the context of the settlement debate today we realise just how extraordinary that generosity is. That is for at least two reasons. One is the fact that yours is one of the most blood-drenched episodes in our colonial history. I will not repeat the accounts that have been recounted earlier in the debates of the atrocities that your ancestors had to put up with at the hands of the Crown. But there is something that I think is even worse than the fact that those atrocities took place: it is the fact that many of us—most of us all of us—who went through the New Zealand education system in the 1970s and 1980s were not taught about them. So another important thing about this process is that we can record our history. Nobody will have the excuse to say that they do not know about it because all that history is now going to be recorded for ever in an Act of this Parliament and in the settlement documentation and that is absolutely as it should be. Earlier speakers are correct—we do not teach our history properly. And if we do not teach our history properly we cannot expect people to understand and appreciate the generosity that is being shown today by the fact that Rongowhakaata are accepting the settlement that we are now enacting. 
I have spoken about generosity several times in this call. It has always been on display by Rongowhakaata. The redress that they will receive under this settlement as with all Treaty settlements—and this an observation I think made many years ago now by the Hon Mark Burton—will never compensate the iwi for what it experienced from 1865 onwards. Never in a Treaty settlement is there adequate redress or compensation for the wrongs of the past. So it is very much always an act of generosity on the part of the Treaty partner to accept what is proffered by the Crown in a binding settlement. We are fortunate today that this Treaty settlement has been accepted and is being enacted. 
I think we are also very fortunate that the generosity that I mention has in a somewhat rare occasion in this House proved contagious. My colleagues earlier acknowledged the work that has been done by the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations in progressing this and other Treaty settlements and I join with them in acknowledging that work. 
The Minister in turn has very properly acknowledged another truth about the settlement process: it does not exist just in the present. The negotiators on both sides stand on the shoulders of giants and they rely on the work that was done in the past in order to bring the settlement about. For the part of the Crown the Minister properly acknowledged the work that was done by the Hon Michael Cullen as Deputy Prime Minister in the previous administration. The signing in principle on behalf of the Crown of the agreement for a collective settlement package in August 2008 was what enabled the detailed negotiations to occur and to progress to the point that they have today. The historical research that was done in order to back up the Treaty claim that was processed through the Waitangi Tribunal in the early part of the last decade was able to be done and resourced only because the fourth Labour Government had amended the Treaty of Waitangi Act in 1985 to allow for grievances back to 1840 to be heard and determined by the tribunal and for historical research and advocacy services to be resourced as part of that process. 
Thank goodness that that happened because that is how we were able to come to a definitive recording of the history that has been spoken about by previous speakers and will be recorded in the deed and in the Act of Parliament. It is a timely reminder that the Treaty process needs to continue to be resourced adequately. This applies to the tribunal and to those who present claims before it. It is no good to have a deadline for the cut-off of Treaty settlements if the process is not properly resourced by the Crown in all respects and we should all remember that in this House when we speak in support of Treaty settlements such as the one that is being debated today. 
It is an honour to have had an opportunity to speak in this debate. I want to conclude by again acknowledging the tremendous generosity of Rongowhakaata. I have been a beneficiary of it personally so I know that the people in the gallery will not be worried at all about what leads the  
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tonight. You have more important concerns than that given the long time that it has taken the long wait for justice to be brought to you. To Rongowhakaata and to Ngai Tamanuhiri—because I am not sure whether I will have the opportunity to speak in the next debate—I want to say that it is a marvellous thing that the generosity that you have shown is now being shown to the nation as a whole. Thank you. 
Hon CHRIS TREMAIN (Minister of Internal Affairs) 
: 
 Tihei mauri ora. Whakataka te hau ki te uru whakataka te hau ki te tonga. Kia makinakina ki uta kia mataratara ki tai. E hi ake ana te atakura he tio he huka he hauhunga. Tena koutou. Ki te Whare e tu nei tena koe ki a Papatuanuku kei waho tena koe. Ki nga mate haere haere haere. Ki nga tangata rangatira kaumatua o Rongowhakaata tena koutou. Ki nga mema o te Paremata tena koutou. Ki a koe te Kaikorero hoki tena koe. Tena koutou tena koutou tena tatou katoa. 
[ 
Behold the sneeze of life. Cease the winds from the west cease the winds from the south. Let the breezes blow over the land let the breezes blow over the ocean. Let the red-tipped dawn come with a sharpened air a touch of frost and a promise of a glorious day. Greetings to you collectively greetings to the House standing before us and greetings to Mother Earth outside. Depart the deaths depart farewell. Acknowledgments to you the leaders and elder folk of Rongowhakaata to the members of Parliament and to the Speaker as well greetings. So greetings greetings and greetings to us all collectively 
.] 
Well kia ora everybody. It is a real privilege to stand in the House at this third reading of the Rongowhakaata Claims Settlement Bill. I firstly acknowledge the work of members of Parliament across the House led by the Hon Chris Finlayson who has done an outstanding job I believe for this nation over the last 3 years. He continues in this term of Government to work tirelessly to bring about settlements throughout our nation. 
Just 2 weeks ago I was in the Chatham Islands with the Minister and he took me out to Pitt Island where he is working on a settlement with Moriori out on Pitt. He shows his passion for this drive by going to the outermost islands of our country to make this happen. He has demonstrated that through some 22 deeds of settlement that have been brought to the House in the last 4 years which is absolutely fantastic. 
But let us not dwell on those settlements; today is about the Rongowhakaata settlement. I do not want to dwell on what other members have said. Clearly your iwi your hapu had to go through unbelievable events in this country in our history. I am proud as the member from Heretaunga—from Hawke’s Bay—just down the road from “Gizzy” to be able to stand in this House to be part of the settlement process and to acknowledge what took place historically and what we are now doing to reconcile to see apologies made and for some form of redress to be made going forward. 
I will talk just briefly about that redress and also touch on what my colleague across the House said about our history and how important I believe it is that it is taught in schools going forward because it was not something that Charles or I were taught. I think particularly locally I am encouraging my children to understand what happened certainly in Ahuriri and Heretaunga and I think there is an obligation further up in Gisborne for schools up there to understand what happened at Ngatapa Pa. Clearly it is something that for all of us is not a fine time in our history—that is for sure. 
The whakatauki I used at the start of my speech—my whaikorero—today talks about a new dawn a touch of frost the commencement of a glorious new era. I guess that is essentially what we are trying to achieve. We are not going to solve all of the issues or be able to address everything but I think this is an outstanding effort by the Crown and iwi to come together in a partnership and to go forward. In that regard I encourage you as an iwi to make the very most of this opportunity. I think there are wonderful opportunities to be able to become even more a part of the Poverty Bay economic base up there and to drive real change as a result of this settlement. 
Without any further ado it is a privilege to be here and I acknowledge once again Mr Finlayson members across the House who have played a role in this and particularly the iwi who are here today. I will close by repeating that whakatauki because this is a new era a new dawn for Rongowhakaata. 
Whakataka te hau ki te uru whakataka te hau ki te tonga. Kia makinakina ki uta kia mataratara ki tai. E hi ake ana te atakura he tio he huka he hauhunga. 
[ 
Cease the winds from the west cease the winds from the south. Let the breezes blow over the land let the breezes blow over the ocean. Let the red-tipped dawn come with a sharpened air a touch of frost and a promise of a glorious day. 
]  
Bill read a third time. 
Waiata  
Karanga 
Ngai Tamanuhiri Claims Settlement Bill 
Third Reading 
Hon TARIANA TURIA (Minister for Whanau Ora) 
 on behalf of the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations: I move  
That the Ngai Tamanuhiri Claims Settlement Bill be now read a third time 
. E rau rangatira ma tenei te mi’i ki a koutou i runga i te kaupapa o te ra. Tena koutou nga rangatira o Ngai Tamanuhiri katahi ano te Whare Paremata nei kia w’akanui i te pire nei. He honore moku kia tu hei kaikorero mo tenei te panuitanga mutunga o te pire. Tena koutou tena koutou tena koutou katoa. 
[ 
I greet you leaders of a hundredfold in respect of the matter of the day. Salutations to you the leaders of Ngai Tamanuhiri. This Parliament House has at last celebrated this bill which I deem it an honour to speak to in this its final reading. Acknowledgments salutations and congratulations to you all 
.] 
The Ngai Tamanuhiri Claims Settlement Bill will settle finally the historical Treaty of Waitangi claims of Ngai Tamanuhiri. The third reading of this bill brings to an end a day of great sadness and loss as the enduring memories of descendants have resonated throughout this Chamber. We have wept with them as we have traversed over the history we share. The loss extends beyond the tribal boundaries to also reflect on the health of our nationhood. The settlement stories have impacted on the rule of law the definition of just and good settlement and the protection of Maori mana motuhake. In all these principles and the failures of the Crown to live up to that ideal it goes to the surface of our capacity to live up to the promise of the Treaty. These settlement bills therefore become a benchmark for all New Zealanders to assess the progress that we have achieved since the signing of Te Tiriti o Waitangi in 1840. 
Ngai Tamanuhiri’s settlement part stretches back 20 years. Today those in the public gallery and all of us below reflect on those who are not with us those who have worked tirelessly on Ngai Tamanuhiri’s claims and who are not here to witness this day. The rohe that forms the home of Ngai Tamanuhiri extends from Kopututea down the coastline over Wharerata Forest to Paritu and from Paritu the area extends inland towards Lake Waikaremoana. It is a beautiful part of the world an exquisite tribal sanctuary. 
Up until 1865 Ngai Tamanuhiri had full control of their lands and resources. The people were participating successfully in the New Zealand economy and indeed the sun shone brightly for the people of this eastern coast. When war broke out in other regions Ngai Tamanuhiri remained neutral including when fighting came close to home in 1865. Into this peaceful haven then the Crown’s attack on Waerenga a Hika is inexplicable. There was no need to use military force in Turanga. The military forces took part in indiscriminate looting. Those attacks contributed to acute food shortages which in themselves caused loss of life. On top of that the detention of some Ngai Tamanuhiri on Wharekauri inflicted unwarranted hardship on them and their w’anau. It was wrongful it was unwarranted it was unjust it was a breach of natural justice and it was a breach of Te Tiriti o Waitangi. Well over a century later in 1992 Eric John Tupai Ruru Tutekawa Wyllie and Peter Gordon lodged a claim with the Waitangi Tribunal on behalf of Te Aitanga-a-Mahaki Ngai Tamanuhiri and Rongowhakaata referred to as Wai 283. 
The Minister in an earlier speech referred to settlements as going to the very heart of our nation and it is in the process of telling our stories documenting our truths and outlining our experience that we come anywhere close to the prospect of reconciliation. The Crown’s relation with Ngai Tamanuhiri has involved some of the darkest episodes in the country’s history and that sense of grief and loss suffered by and the impact on this iwi remains with us all but more particularly so of course for the iwi who are represented here today. It is a tragic tale of mass executions of land loss and of the extinguishment of customary interests leading to the erosion of Ngai Tamanuhiri’s traditional tribal structures. As a direct consequence Ngai Tamanuhiri have lived with poorer housing lower educational achievements and worse health than any other New Zealanders yet despite this painful history they have made a significant contribution to the wealth and development of the nation and have at all times graciously honoured their Treaty obligations and responsibilities. 
In particular the settlement pays tribute to Ngai Tamanuhiri’s contribution to the defence of the nation. Knowing even as little as we do of the injustices that this iwi have suffered at the hands of the Crown we cannot help but be overwhelmed by the spirit of generosity that they have shown the nation in having faith in working with the Crown on this settlement. 
I want to be very clear for the record that in this settlement today the Crown is deeply sorry that it has failed until now to address the injustices in an appropriate manner. The Crown sincerely apologises for its many failures to respect Ngai Tamanuhiri mana and to protect them from being left virtually landless and economically marginalised. We all hope that this settlement will provide a foundation for this tribe and the Crown to move forward in a spirit of cooperation mutual benefit and trust. 
I move therefore to some of the detail in the deed of settlement signed in March 2011 by the Hon Chris Finlayson with Na Rongowhakaata Raihania and Hope Nga Taare Tupara as trustees of the Tamanuhiri Tutu Poroporo Trust. The settlement facilitates the transfer of Young Nick’s Head National Historic Reserve and endorses the name change to Te Kuri a Paoa. It will enable Ngai Tamanuhiri to purchase Te Wherowhero Lagoon. They will be a 50 percent shareholder in the Wharerata Forest. There is funding for cultural revitalisation and there is a clear commitment to relationship redress with Crown agencies. 
It was pleasing to see a letter from Mayor Meng Foon stating that the council is keen to help advance and support the mana motuhake of Ngai Tamanuhiri recognising that the flow-on benefits will also extend to all of Te Tai Rawhiti. I want to extend those flow-on benefits wider across the land because we all benefit from these settlements both Maori and Pakeha alike. 
The Crown apology in the legislation states that “The Crown seeks to restore its honour and reputation as a Treaty partner and atone for its past failures to uphold” Te Tiriti o Waitangi. As part of the journey moving forward Ngai Tamanuhiri are working with other Turanga iwi to establish a memorial to commemorate members of those iwi who lost their lives at the hands of the Crown. It will provide a sombre reminder to all of Aotearoa of the history that has shaped our sense of selves. 
I want to conclude this today with a w’akatauki that the Waitangi Tribunal used in its report  
Turanga Tangata Turanga Whenua 
: 
“W’akamoea nga maunga kia w’anau ko te pai.”—only good can result when great mountains are joined. How can we as a country come together and bring our shared aspirations for Treaty justice? How do tangata whenua and tangata Tiriti work in the spirit of collaboration to build a strong basis for nationhood? The constitutional review that has taken place is but one opportunity. It is a very important concept for all of us to ponder. Tena tatou katoa. 
Hon PAREKURA HOROMIA (Labour—Ikaroa-Rawhiti) 
: 
 Tena koe. Te pai o te rangi nei e te Kaiwhakahaere o te Whare nei ko te tae tata atu tatau ki te otinga o te hikoi roroa atu o tenei rangi. I a koutou o te hau kainga Tamanuhiri e mihi kau ana tena koutou. E tae kaha atu koutou tata ana ki o whanaunga tata ki te wahi nei o te Whare Miere te wahi e mahi atu nga tangata o te Karauna ki a koutou. E tautokotia atu nga whakaaro o te tuahine a Tariana ko te tukuna o te whenua ko te tahae hoki o te katoa o te whenua a koutou mai i te Karauna. No reira tena koutou. E te matua Noel e mihi kau ana ki a koe ki a ratou i roto i to tatou ropu kaha rua tekau ma waru tena koe mo tena. Mai i to haerenga mai i Muriwai tae atu ki te pakanga hoki ora atu ki te kainga i konei ke koe tena koe mo tena. 
I a koutou nga mea pakeke o te kainga e rongo atu tatou e kite atu tatou i te mahi i roto i a Tamanuhiri i a Rongowhakaata orite atu ki a koutou e mohio atu koutou i te mamae nga nawe e puta ana mai i te mahi o nga hoia no reira tena koutou na te mea he nui atu nga whakaaro i roto i a tatou mo te mahi kino i a Tamanuhiri he mahi kino he mahi taurekareka tera ano te mahi ki a ratou engari e kaha ana ratou hei ora atu no reira tena tatou. E te tuahine e Tariana kia kaha. 
[ 
Thank you. The good thing about this day Mr Speaker of this House is that the long journey to this day is nearly over. To you the locals Ngai Tamanuhiri I acknowledge you in your efforts to get here in respect of your close relationships to this place the Beehive where people of the Crown work with you. I endorse the views of fellow colleague Tariana in respect of how land is offered and how all your lands were also stolen by the Crown. So congratulations. To you the elder Noel I acknowledge you and them as well in that mighty group of ours the 28th Battalion. Congratulations on your involvement. You came from Muriwai went to war returned home alive and here you are now. I commend you.  
To all you elders of home we heard and saw what happened to the people of Ngai Tamanuhiri and Rongowhakaata. It was the same with you. You experienced the pain and concerns that resulted from the actions of the soldiers so I salute you all because we have many views about the atrocities experienced by Tamanuhiri—it was bad stuff it was belittling but they were resilient and survived these ordeals so I acknowledge us all. Be resolute sister colleague Tariana. 
] 
Na te mea because this is my last chance to talk today from this side I thought I would embellish understanding that my relations from Ngai Tamanuhiri will always have my support and our support. I want to mihi to my whanaunga Na Rongowhakaata Raihania and everybody else up there. Kia ora koutou. He was 50 the other day. He looks like Tau Henare. Kia ora tatou. Happy birthday.  
As Minister Turia pointed out to cede all of their land through ungracious actions of the Crown is something that makes the mind boggle. I mean just imagine half these dairy farmers losing their land today. That is what we should do as a Crown: take their land off them. What is wrong with that Mr Finlayson? Take half the farms away from them; give those farms to the Chinese. Take those farms off them and give them to these people. That is exactly what happened here. That is the reality. That is what happened. They took the land off them. They had no say. If you have ever been to Muriwai my cousin Fuchsia went over there and lived there. I am not too sure what she was doing there but she always said it was paradise. If you go to Muriwai they have still got the old trees growing their whare is strong they feed you like billy-o and they are great people. They are great people. Barney Whaitiri always said that the water that laps here will always sustain us like our whakapapa did. Those people have passed on—a lot of them—Toko and all of those kaumatua who are not here today. But they have seen fit to come down here. 
I want to talk over a couple of the issues in relation to the settlement. I see there is a Crown mineral protocol in this function I say to the Minister of Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations—very interesting. I hope they strike gold. 
Hon Christopher Finlayson 
: Ha ha! 
Hon PAREKURA HOROMIA 
: I am not laughing; I am serious. I hope they do. 
Hon Tau Henare 
: But the Greens say no. 
Hon PAREKURA HOROMIA 
: I do not care what the Greens think or you think; I hope they strike whatever and that it is put in real context that it is not given to them and then taken away. The Minister knows I have been on his case for a fair while. He is going to end up a sir I think some time. But you know all these Government agencies and these protocols—whether it is Work and Income or Child Youth and Family or the Department of Conservation which is in here. The Department of Conservation is always in here. I found it very interesting. When you get to the summary what does it say? I will read you what it says: “Is there any private land being transferred? No. … Are the public’s rights affected? No. … What are Statutory Acknowledgments?”. There are not too many of them but they are relevant to the Resource Management Act. There are a lot of noes in here from a group of people who never even had an answer—yes or no—and took everything. The deed of settlement is $11.07 million plus interest and the value of the cultural redress is getting there. 
 I think that with this claim building on what the Minister for Whanau Ora Tariana Turia said there has to be more than just a sign-off. As Tau Henare said let us get on with the business. This puts right a terrible wrong and for me it is a wonderful day to celebrate. That is why I want this. There is not one of those monsters up there and they will most probably see me on TV. You are not supposed to say anything bad about the press. It makes me bloody sick that all they are talking about is Maori being mad bad and sad and Tau Henare smoking. We are a lot better than that—yes we are. Maori is a lot smarter than that. These people have stood the worst of the worst in the sense of losing all their lands and they go home. 
The irony is that when the coloniser came and that little short Pakeha fella or British fella jumped up and said: “Land ahoy!” it was the first place in New Zealand they saw. You would not believe it the way they have been treated. I say that seriously not because they are here but because we need to be reminded about that and that it needs to be talked about. I know that the two Ministers sitting over there the Minister for Whanau Ora and the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations were listening intently and bring some real credence to these partnerships and that is one thing the Minister and I agree on. It is no good writing out these protocols and these charters that say: “Be kind to them DOC. Be good to them LINZ. Be kind to them TPK.” and have nothing come of it. That is what seems to be happening. So Minister Finlayson again I would encourage you to keep an eye on it. If you do not want to use Tariana or somebody else you get me. I will keep an eye on it for you. What happens in the continuation is a serious part of progress. 
The sums here as much as they have agreed to them are but a pittance in relation to what was done. The land deal in relation to the forestry—that they get 50 percent and 50 percent is kept—is another issue. I am glad that the funds go with it but even in the sense of giving them the forestry and the purchase requirements just from my quick reading it seems to be a bit rich. I want to say that again Minister and I have been professing and offering you a whole lot of support. 
Here is a very important one because we ain’t quite there yet in finalising this. I notice in there that Young Nick’s Head is renamed Te Kuri a Paoa / Young Nick’s Head. It has been like that for 100-odd-plus bloody years as Young Nick’s Head. Why not get rid of it and name it Te Kuri a Paoa? What is this “slash” business? I do not know whether iwi agreed to it or not but seriously what is that about? I have brought that up before—“Te Kuri a Paoa / Keep Everybody Else Happy / Young Nick’s Head”. Rubbish! I know the Minister agrees with me. Chris Finlayson does not really care about that. But it is right. 
You know everybody wants to talk about young Kahui and that is a dastardly ugly deed: he patu wahine he patu tangata [ 
killing women and men 
]. No doubt about it. We participate in that and so do Pakeha. But the way it carries on in the press is that that is all we are—mad bad and sad. [ 
Bell rung 
] Mr Speaker you can ring the bell all you like but I will tell you this. I do not want to leave here today knowing what will happen and what has happened in a whole lot of other settlements. They have said: “We signed a charter with them. We signed a fisheries charter. We signed a Crown minerals charter.” and nothing titoi nothing out of it—nothing. That is a fact. I trust you Minister to do the right thing. 
That thing about that sewage—these are the people who get it. That water laps on them. But I have to say it is a damn irony after 150-odd years. I was privileged enough to go up to the signing at the reserve. Like I said I wanted to walk but they put me in a helicopter with the Minister and we got up there. I was privileged to be there. There was a conservationist American who got the land at the end of the day. But at the end of the day this is not about keeping the other people happy; this is about putting something right that was terribly wrong in this country and certainly we should be better than that as politicians and not just rise up when Maoris break a window in a shop or piss against a wall or something like that because that is what makes the news. 
At the end of the day I would certainly want to suggest strongly that Ngai Tamanuhiri are given every support as they go through. The deal is the deal—great. Whether it is the land they have got to purchase the forestry shares or whatever else they need a lot of help—ongoing help. It is not too easy to understand that the costs shoot up. There were no costs to the people who took them. They took it and they created wealth out of it. There has been no analysis of that. It is really critical in my mind at least that we send them away understanding that they will be supported and cherished. Kia ora tatou. Tera ano te mea i roto i aku mo te rangi nei. 
[ 
So acknowledgments to us. That is what I have in me about this day. 
] 
It has been a great day for Maori to celebrate. On the Maori calendar it is supposed to be a good day for fishing and a good day for getting kumara ready for this party season. But this day should be remembered as the one when we did these four Treaty settlements together and we got a thing put right as well as we could as politicians and it is something we should celebrate. Do not give me this nationhood building thing and not show up to support it. Kia ora tatou. Thank you. 
Hon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON (Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations) 
: 
 Tena koe Mr Speaker and tena koutou to our guests in the gallery. Parekura Horomia has done that to me all day. He has upstaged me right throughout the course of the debate but always as you know with Mr Horomia for the best of reasons. I really welcome all those who are in the gallery—those of you who have travelled from Turanga-nui-a-Kiwa to join us on this very important occasion. I especially recognise that great rangatira Nolan Raihania whose immense contribution to our country through his service in the 28th Maori Battalion I greatly admire. I see him grinning up there. He gets very embarrassed when I mention him but he deserves all the accolades that he receives because he is a great New Zealander. 
As is very clear this bill the Ngai Tamanuhiri Claims Settlement Bill settles the historic grievances of this iwi. The Crown acknowledges and formally apologises for its breaches of the Treaty of Waitangi offers an apology and there are various forms of redress which Mrs Turia has mentioned and I am not going to repeat them in my speech. But this day has indeed been a long time coming. The claims were first made to the Waitangi Tribunal 20 years ago in 1992. The claims were inquired into by the tribunal and it reported in 2004. It is well established that the grievances that it found the breaches of the Treaty were very serious indeed. Ngai Tamanuhiri entered negotiations with the Crown in 2005 as part of the collective of Turanga-nui-a-Kiwa iwi and in September 2008 signed the agreement in principle. 
 It is one of those unfortunate things that from the agreement in principle to deed of settlement the journey is sometimes very long because in the deed of settlement all the details have to be finalised whereas in the agreement in principle it can be a fairly generalised document. There has been a lot of work—an enormous amount of work—between September 2008 and March 2011. It was a wonderful day a Saturday morning when Mr Horomia and I and other officials—Mrs Turia was there as well—were at that beautiful marae south of Gisborne Muriwai Marae to sign the deed of settlement. As Mr Horomia said it was a very special day because we began it by helicoptering up to the top of the point and initialling the deed of settlement and then we came down and the actual signing was on the marae. 
As I said in my second reading speech last week it was the first time I had ever done it as Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations but I read out the full acknowledgement and the apology. One was aware that it was a very eerie sort of feeling in the grounds of the marae. I said to Mrs Turia: “What is going on?” and she said people were weeping. That is perhaps why I get very angry when I hear people diminish these settlements as mere “deals” in some kind of supercilious manner. They are anything but deals; they are very important acts that we enter into—that the Crown and iwi enter into—in order to resolve these matters that plague our past so that we can get on with life. It was a very special day and I want to thank publicly the iwi for that day and for the way in which they have negotiated with me over the last 4 years. 
In this settlement as I said the Crown acknowledges a number of breaches. Some mention in the context of Rongowhakaata was made by Mr Tirikatene about the men not being tried in accordance with the standards of justice that people were entitled to and then they were imprisoned in harsh conditions on the Chatham Islands for more than 2 years. Mr Tirikatene marvelled at how the good men of Rongowhakaata managed to escape and the same principle applies to Ngai Tamanuhuri. I have to say that I still marvel at it myself. I was over in the Chathams a few weeks ago and Mr Tremain and I jumped in a crayfish boat to go down from Owenga on the south coast of the Chatham Island over to Pitt Island. It is fair to say—and it was a reasonably pleasant day—that the journey could be described as interesting. So I have no doubt at all that the courage and the determination of those men of Ngai Tamanuhuri to get back to Turanga-nui-a-Kiwa was truly truly impressive. 
The other breach that I particularly want to refer to is the act of the Crown in returning land and then promoting legislation that basically gave ownership of the land to individuals rather than to the collective undermining the ability of the iwi to maintain its property. That is why undertakings that have been given in the Crown deed by acknowledgments and apologies are absolutely important and necessary. 
Mr Horomia being the good local MP that he is for Ikaroa-Rawhiti raised a number of points about sewage spewing out into the bay and affecting the iwi and the general population of the area. One important body that is established through this settlement is the local leadership board. I refer him to clause 43 of the bill. The purpose of this board which will be made up of all the iwi in the area and also the local authorities is to “contribute to the sustainable management of the natural and physical resources in the … area for the use and enjoyment of … future generations while recognising and providing for the traditional relationship of Ngai Tamanuhiri [and other iwi] with their ancestral lands water sites wahi tapu” areas and so on. I hope that that body which is a permanent committee and must not be discharged without the agreement of the specified appointers in the council will be able to start to address some of these matters. Mr Horomia has very eloquently spoken this afternoon as well about the absolute need following the passage of this legislation for the Crown to live up to its commitments. This is not a one-off warm feelings situation. This creates a new relationship and there are ongoing obligations that will need to be addressed. He and I have talked about ways in which that could be done and I very much appreciate his contribution. 
This is a historic milestone for Ngai Tamanuhiri. The deed was the first settlement agreed between the Crown and an iwi from Turanga where the Crown committed some very serious Treaty breaches and I agree with all those speakers who have said today and throughout the course of the four debates that it is important that people know something about what happened. It is a shame that the media which are quite happy to report the more contentious aspects of House business have not bothered to be here today to listen to some of this debate because it is very important. I acknowledge all those officials with whom I have worked over the years. The Office of Treaty Settlements officials worked very hard on these matters. They are not “nine-to-fivers” at all. In fact I was in the office the day we initialled the deed of settlement at about 12.30 in the morning because Paul James the former director had phoned me and wanted me to talk to the Ngai Tamanuhiri representatives about one or two matters. That is the level of commitment that I have received from the Office of Treaty Settlements. I acknowledge Mr Horomia I acknowledge my friends in the Maori Party who have worked so closely with me on this and I acknowledge my other ministerial colleagues. It is a great day; a great day for Ngai Tamanuhiri. It is not the end of it. It is the beginning of a new relationship—a very positive one. I salute you for all you do and look forward to working with you in the years to come. 
RINO TIRIKATENE (Labour—Te Tai Tonga) 
: 
 Tena koe e te Kaiwhakamana tena koutou e te Whare ia nga tangata o nga pari e ma ra e Ngai Tamanuhiri tena koutou tena koutou. Nau mai haere mai whakatau mai ki te Paremata e takatu nei tena koutou tena tatou katoa. 
[ 
Thank you Mr Speaker and greetings to you the House and indeed those people from yonder white cliffs Ngai Tamanuhiri salutations and greetings to you collectively. Welcome draw closer to Parliament standing here ready acknowledgments to you and to us all 
.]  
I am delighted to stand and make my contribution on this the final passage of the Ngai Tamanuhiri Claims Settlement Bill. As a new member it has been a thrill actually being a member of the Maori Affairs Committee to follow the passage of this bill right the way through to the House from the first reading select committee hearings second reading and now to this final reading. So it is a steep learning curve for me. 
Being the member for Te Tai Tonga there is actually a connection in addition to the Ngai Tahu whakapapa connection that we share with our Tahu Potiki and our whanaunga here in Ngai Tamanuhiri. There is also a common connection because our whanaunga there Tutekawa Wyllie was also the member for Te Tai Tonga a few elections back. So we do share many things in common. But I am delighted to be speaking at this stage. 
We have heard this afternoon about the shared history that Ngai Tamanuhiri share with Rongowhakaata. Therefore the Crown’s breaches of the Treaty its acknowledgments and its apologies as set out in this bill are very very similar and aligned to the same breaches that occurred to Rongowhakaata when I think of the attacks at Waerenga a Hika the loss of life at Ngatapa and the tensions that were over there on Wharekauri. So you cannot differentiate the two. The two iwi were part of all of those atrocities so it is appropriate that they are acknowledged they are recorded in this bill in the deed of settlement and flowing through now into the passage of this legislation. 
We know that the redress that is offered and that is part of the package that we are putting through today does not compensate for the loss that has been inflicted on these iwi for many generations but as Minister Finlayson noted this is a step forward. This is a beginning and we have seen it happening right across the motu for the past 30-odd years in terms of the modern-day Treaty settlement process. So this is a very hallmark occasion for Ngai Tamanuhiri. 
I have had the pleasure of working with Ngai Tamanuhiri when I was with Ngai Tahu. I am thinking of a settlement in a different context and that was in the fisheries context. I acknowledge the close association that Ngai Tamanuhiri has had with Ngai Tahu and in particular the Treaty Tribes Coalition and the support and the whanaungatanga that I had the privilege of being amongst and working with in the years when I was there—and it is still strong today. 
There are many elements to these settlements as my colleagues have spoken about. I would just like to pick up on what my matua Parekura mentioned about how disappointed we are in some aspects of these settlements. We know that the Crown has vast assets as its disposal—all the king’s horses and all the king’s men you can muster and write out a $1.7 billion cheque to bail out some investors in a failed finance company when you really have to; when it really wants to. 
I just want to say how disappointed I am in that the arrangements in some of our Treaty settlements could go a lot further. I look at the arrangements of Ngai Tamanuhiri and it is great that we have had the recognition of the mana of Te Kuri a Paoa / Young Nick’s Head but I prefer Te Kuri a Paoa. But for this whanau here to go and visit their wahi tapu they have to seek permission from the American owner of the surrounding adjacent lands. That is not good enough. 
There are too many examples of Maori magnanimity—that is a word that my tuahine Nanaia was speaking about this afternoon. There are too many examples of magnanimity in Treaty redresses these days. So receiving back our sacred mountains and our islands for a period of 24 hours and then having to re-gift them to the people of New Zealand smacks of paternalism and an unwillingness to fully acknowledge the wrong. I would just like to encourage this Minister and in all future Treaty settlement processes that the Crown really does make an effort to make sure that there is full recognition of the mana of the owners of those wahi tapu sites such as Te Kuri a Paoa and many others that will be coming through in Treaty settlements that are yet to come through this House. I would like to think that the Crown can also be adventurous and maybe look at having a chat with the American landowners arranging a round of golf or having a few drinks but coming up with a solution where everyone’s mana is enhanced and that the end result will be never again having to ask permission to visit Te Kuri a Paoa. 
We have seen in other elements the gifting of the right to purchase back the Pakowhai Scenic Reserve and other very important wahi tapu sites. Again it would be good to see in terms of future settlements more commitment and more going back to the actual mana whenua and the aggrieved Treaty partner. Yes the acknowledgments and the apologies are vitally important and it would be good to see some more measures being taken whereby some more control and rangatiratanga can actually go back to the mana whenua for their sacred sites. 
This is a defining moment for Ngai Tamanuhiri but also I think it is a step forward and we are looking at economic development opportunities that will flow on through these settlements. I wish Ngai Tamanuhiri all the best in terms of their future activities and their aspirations. I know they are highly skilled and a very well-organised iwi and they have got some very talented people in their midst. I look forward to seeing what is going to happen in the Turanga region when we look at the likes of our recapitalised iwi: Rongowhakaata Ngai Tamanuhiri Mahaki to come and also the various land incorporation interests in that region. I am sure that will be a driving force for the Turanga region in the coming years. 
This is our final bill for the day. I am delighted that I have been able to make this contribution right the way through the process through this House. I would just like to conclude by mihi-ing once again to the whanau of Ngai Tamanuhiri who have travelled all the way down here to support this day. I think of all the people on the claims committees and the researchers and a 20-year process that has gone from tribunal hearings right through negotiations with the Crown all the way through to a deed of settlement and then a long passage through the House right up to this stage here. So I thank you. My colleague Charles mentioned the gratitude that we have for your partnership with the Crown through this process. We are looking forward to seeing what that future will hold beyond the passage of this bill. So I mihi to you all. Kia ora ano tatou katoa. 
CATHERINE DELAHUNTY (Green) 
: 
 Tena koe Mr Speaker tena koutou te Whare Paremata. He mihi ki Te Wiki o Te Reo Maori Te Reo Rangatira. He mihi nui ki nga iwi hapu whanau o Turanga-nui-a-Kiwa Ngai Tamanuhiri me Rongowhakaata. 
[ 
Thank you Mr Speaker and salutations to you collectively of Parliament House. I applaud Maori Language Week the Chiefly Language and greatly appreciate the tribes subtribes and families of Gisborne Ngai Tamanuhiri and Rongowhakaata 
.] 
Before I speak about the Greens’ support for the Ngai Tamanuhiri Claims Settlement Bill I would like to address Ngai Tamanuhiri and their negotiating team in particular. There is an English whakatauki “Fools rush in where angels fear to tread” and I would like to apply that to my second reading speech which contained unmandated inferences for which I apologise wholeheartedly. My speech stepped over the line in terms of representation issues and no one from Ngai Tamanuhiri asked me to do that. I therefore express my regret and my respects to those of you who are here today from Ngai Tamanuhiri and those who were unable to travel who are here in spirit. 
But to return to the third reading of this bill which the Green Party is happy to support this is a significant moment in the history of Aotearoa New Zealand. Ngai Tamanuhiri have travelled down the long coast to be here and the Green Party wants to pay respects for the long years of waiting and the long years of work. After more than 100 years of marginalisation including major losses of whenua detention without trial and summary executions in the 1860s which created unimaginable suffering and ongoing poverty there was I believe more than 20 years of hard work and struggle on this claim to reach this point and therefore it is time to celebrate your mahi and what has been achieved. 
My partner Gordon Jackman grandson of Doris Black of Muriwai was the archaeologist working on a small part of the preparation for this day and is unable to be here but we both feel deeply the privilege of the opportunities of learning a little about the history of Ngai Tamanuhiri and their rohe. The local opportunity from this settlement is the building of stronger relationships the Anzac commemoration events and the collective work on Te Wherowhero Lagoon which is part of this agreement. These are foundations and we are hopeful that Pakowhai Scenic Reserve can also become part of the building of those local relationships which make Te Tiriti a reality not just in law but in the hearts and minds. The commitment to Ngai Tamanuhiri having an enhanced participation in resource management processes in their rohe will also benefit everyone in Te Tai Rawhiti. 
Early today the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations spoke of the truly unique aspect of every Treaty claim process and this is so powerfully true of the matters at the heart of this bill. Part of the maunga Te Kuri a Paoa is a reserve that is now vested in Ngai Tamanuhiri and named Te Kuri a Paoa / Young Nick’s Head. When the white sails came over the horizon and saw those white cliffs everything occurred from that moment and has led to this moment and to the necessity for justice and redress. Naming is so important and the Green Party supports names as expressions of dual heritage but we believe that dual heritage must be fully acknowledged by both parties not just the iwi for healing to really take place. 
The struggles over Te Kuri a Paoa have been long and the Green Party wishes to acknowledge the importance of this maunga which the late Rod Donald MP our first co-leader visited in 2002 to tautoko the efforts for the maunga to be recognised as tangata whenua land and the first place where the cultures sighted each other. In 2002 another winter hikoi started walking to Wellington supported by some people who are no longer with us. Pakeha and tangata Tiriti katoa have reason to appreciate the gift Ngai Tamanuhiri have given the nation in their staunch upholding of the significance of Te Kuri a Paoa to us all. 
The redress in this agreement will also allow the implementation of some dreams and plans regarding the Wharerata Forest and wahi tapu the cultural economic future of tamariki mokopuna. Again we all benefit from this although like others in the House the Greens would like to see a larger quantum in this agreement. 
The one comment the Green Party would add to this and to all claims is the need for the Kawanatanga to resource the education of Pakeha and tangata Tiriti katoa because our role is to make sure the work done by the iwi themselves the Maori Affairs Committee and the Minister is recognised and understood by all as a living history that we are all part of so it can reach its liberating potential from the grievous history of colonisation which Ngai Tamanuhiri and iwi katoa have all suffered. 
 I would just like to finish by congratulating Ngai Tamanuhiri. The Green Party supports your ongoing leadership and your rangatiratanga. Earlier today David Clendon MP spoke about truth and reconciliation as well as Treaty settlement. I support his words and those of Metiria Turei that this needs to happen at a local and national level and it is time for Pakeha katoa to step up on those issues. But in the meantime just let me say that it has been a privilege to have been connected in a small way with the journey and to have lived within your rohe. I am humbled to have met you all. Kia ora koutou katoa. 
JONATHAN YOUNG (National—New Plymouth) 
: 
 Tena koe. E nga reo e nga mana e nga hau e wha; ko Jonathan Young taku ingoa. Tena koutou tena koutou tena koutou katoa. 
[ 
Greetings to you. To the languages authorities and four winds; my name is Jonathan Young. Greetings salutations and acknowledgments to you all 
.] 
It is my great pleasure and privilege to be able to stand in support of and speak on this third reading of the bill for Ngai Tamanuhiri the Ngai Tamanuhiri Claims Settlement Bill. Before I speak I just want to extend the apologies of Mrs Tolley who cannot be here today because she is unwell. She would love to have been here to acknowledge this day with you. 
I want to bring my thoughts round to my colleague’s comments—my colleague from the Maori Affairs Committee—regarding Te Kuri a Paoa slash Young Nick’s Head. I think that was a very interesting and forthright comment that the honourable member Horomia brought out. We all know the European history. Nicholas Young was a sailor on Captain’s Cook ship on his first voyage here. He was just a young boy and he was a stowaway on the  
Endeavour 
. He sighted Young Nick’s Head as it was called because of that sighting by him—but it was also called Te Kuri a Paoa—on 7 October 1769. 
I remember when as a young boy we would have holidays as a family on the East Coast and whether it be true or not my mum and dad said to me that that boy Nick Young was one of our forebears—we came from the Youngs. Look I do not know whether it was true or not. Maybe it was one of those stories that a dad told his son. Maybe it was part of our mythology. But let me tell you how it made me feel and how I now understand how you feel: it made me feel important. It made me feel that this was a place of beginning. It made me feel that here was a significant place that I had attachment to. That is from a Pakeha. How much more how much more for you. 
So I want to talk about the slash because the slash is not a cut to the heart. The slash is the joining of peoples. It is like you would take for example two branches and you would graft them together. In order to do that to make a living people a living tree there is a slash—there is a cut. So my thought to you today is that I know what you are saying honourable member but perhaps there is also another way to look at it because if we can resolve our past and build our future together as New Zealanders in Aotearoa and have a future and I know that the redress never measures up to what was lost it is something that you can take and you can move forward with. 
So it has been a long long time and we have come to this place come to this afternoon. My hope and my prayer is that from this day forward you will find increased strength you will find increased resolve and you will find increased ability to feel the mana to feel the location and the reconnection and that you will have some economic strength to build your future and that together we will build this small nation into a great nation. Tena koutou tena koutou tena koutou katoa. Kia ora. 
BRENDAN HORAN (NZ First) 
: 
 I would like to follow on from the comments of all of my colleagues who have gone before me and to say what a fantastic day today is and how wonderful it is to be here. Earlier this morning I was leading the charge against those people who are not here but then I thought well too bad about them they are missing out—they are missing out. All day amazing things have been spoken of and amazing people have been here. I would like to acknowledge the kaumatua who are here—all of you up there. I acknowledge how hard it has been for all of you to get here but you are here and you made the journey.  
It is hard to mention people but there are a lot of people and I would like to say hello to Olive and Temple Isaacs. I would also like to acknowledge Nolan Raihania from the Maori Battalion. In 1978 I worked in Whakatane Hospital and I had the privilege of looking after George Raurina. George had been an interpreter with the Maori Battalion and I was about to embark on a trip overseas to university in Canada and he taught me all these different languages. His story is an amazing one. He is gone now but Nolan represents all of those brave men that we lost and how wonderful and what a privilege it is to have you here Nolan. Kia ora. 
I would like to also follow on from the Hon Parekura Horomia and the Hon Chris Finlayson on the question of the sewage in Gisborne. I love the ocean. I have been involved in surf lifesaving and from a very young age would always make the trek over to Gisborne to compete to go surfing or to go and plunder some of that paua and kai moana that was there. I have paddled out there and seen that sewage coming up and it is a disgrace. The fact that the Minister has said that he is prepared to look at that fills me with joy. It can no longer be swept under the carpet and it must go to the front of the queue—the cleaning up of that sewage. 
I would just like to speak a very small part on Ngai Tamanuhiri. This tribe is a small one but one of prodigious strength and mana. Tamanuhiri’s mountain or maunga Te Kuri a Paoa or Young Nicks Head is there and it is there for all to see. As Parekura said earlier that was the first thing Captain Cook’s crew saw when they visited Aotearoa. I must say that 2019 is going to be a very interesting year is it not with the 250th anniversary of the sighting of your maunga by Europeans. Their waka  
Horouta 
 rests in the lagoon at the base of Te Kuri a Paoa. Although the Tamanuhiri people are relatively small in number they are giant in their connections and they closely whakapapa into Ngati Porou Ngai Tahu Rongowhakaata and others. This ability to easily and cleverly communicate rose to the fore in negotiations. As well as their nimbleness shown in the move to settle first of the three  
Turanga  
groups there is also real elegance to the level of cultural links in the strands of the commercial redress afforded to Tamanuhiri in this Ngai Tamanuhiri Claims Settlement Bill with a package involving profound cultural threads. 
So congratulations to the negotiators. To those who have passed on but are here with us in spirit salutations. And to all of those who have worked so hard for a positive outcome thank you thank you and again thank you. 
Toitu te whenua toitu te tangata toitu te mana—the land endures the people prevail the mana is secure. Kia kaha kia maia kia manawanui. 
[ 
Be strong be brave be stout-hearted. 
] 
Hon TAU HENARE (National) 
: 
 Te mea tuatahi kei a koutou aku rangatira tena koutou tena koutou tena koutou katoa. Mihi kau atu au ki te tuahine o taku hungarei e takoto mai ra i roto i te rohe o Ngati Porou i te marae o Awatere. No reira e Mere haere atu ra haere atu ra. 
[ 
The first thing is to acknowledge my leaders; greetings to you greetings to you and greetings to you all. I pay a tribute to the sister of my mother-in-law lying in state there in the region of Ngati Porou on the Awatere Marae. So farewell Mary farewell 
.] 
I have been given the privilege of winding up so that sort of cuts out what I was going to say. I know it is a ploy by my mate over there Parekura Horomia. I do want to pay salutations not only to our brilliant Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations and the Treaty negotiations team from the Office of Treaty Settlements but also to my colleagues on the Maori Affairs Committee who I think have done a sterling job. I also want to pay due respect to the Hon Parekura Horomia who back in the day when he was a wee bit younger used to come to my office as Minister of Maori Affairs. He would eat everything in the kitchen and leave nothing in the bar but I tell the House and tell the nation that you could not get a better advocate for Maori. Quite frankly the House has been well served by my colleague’s time in the House and his advocacy. But we also had some discussions about how we thought the world should run. It was just like when my uncle used to come to our house and talk to my old man until about 4 o’clock in the morning and they would basically solve the world’s problems as well. It must be a trait of Maori to go through that as mates as cousins as friends as whanau. 
I am not going to dwell too much on the inner workings of the settlement in this Ngai Tamanuhiri Claims Settlement Bill. Suffice it to say that this has been a momentous day. When was the last time the nation saw Parliament give its time over to the settlement of Treaty agreements? When was the last time we had a sitting from 9 o’clock to 6 o’clock ostensibly on Treaty settlement bills? I thought to myself and said to myself earlier in the day: “Is this a good thing or is this a bad thing? Are we ghettoising the Treaty settlements by putting them on one day or are we giving them their fair due?” I believe it is the latter—that we are giving part of our history part of our story due recognition in the House of Parliament. 
 And actually it is not the House of Parliament; it is the House of Representatives. That basically means to me that it is the House that is our visitors’ House—it is the House of Representatives. It is the House where we stand and deliver on all manner of things in a representative role for the people outside. It is a wonderful wonderful day to have you all here especially I suppose knowing where Tamanuhiri is as well. It was only very recently that I got to stand on the shores of Muriwai contemplating my career in politics and whether it was maybe going to go for another 3 years or maybe end abruptly. I was lucky. It went on for another—well it is going on for another 3 years. 
I have said for the last 2 weeks that this is all about the tapestry the brilliant tapestry of New Zealand’s history and I do echo what the Hon Parekura Horomia says about the naming what it actually means and where it lies in the hearts of the hau kainga the home people. But I also feel for my mate who was sitting here who is related to those Youngs and to Nicholas Young. As for whether that is true or not I mean like he says I think it is a good story and I will be telling that story around the nation as well—that Young Nick’s Head was named after his tupuna. Like I said whether it is true or not most of us know—most Maori know—of its true name its real name and pay due respects. 
Here is something else to ponder: regardless of whether land is given back returned or whatever when we drive past it even if it does not belong to us any more we still say “See that piece of land over there? That’s ours.” I think that is a good thing. I think that if we can pay due recognition and if we can pay what we owe in the final analysis that is a great thing for this history and other nations around the world can have a look at us. I want to take that and refer to the Black Hills of Dakota where in the 1860s there was a treaty between the indigenous people and the Government of the USA stating that they would have tino rangatiratanga over this block of land the Black Hills of Dakota. They signed the treaty and one day somebody found gold and that was it. And you know for ever and a day it even went as high as the Supreme Court to say how the treaty was broken. 
The agreement that Tamanuhiri has is with the Crown. Make no mistake: every one of us sitting here today is the Crown. It is not just the Government; it is the Opposition as well—those people are the Crown. My advice throughout the debate has been to watch out for the hawkers and the shysters but also to watch out for the Crown. Watch out for the Government because in its wish to take the country forward it might slip up now and then or it might trip over now and then. It is a good idea just to keep a watching brief on what we do as the Crown. So that is another piece of advice. 
I will not go on too much longer other than to say: nga mihi nunui ki a koutou katoa nga uri o nga aitua o Ngai Tamanuhiri. Tino hari taku ngakau i kite au i a koutou i roto i toku nei Whare i to Whare no reira tena koutou tena koutou. Kua pai ta koutou haerenga ki te hau kainga a muri i tenei korero no reira nga manaakitanga nga aroha ki a koutou katoa tena koutou tena koutou kia ora mai tatou katoa. 
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I acknowledge you greatly descendants of Ngai Tamanuhiri disasters. I am particularly pleased to see you here in my House your House so greetings and salutations to you collectively. All will be well for your return home following this address so blessings and compassion to you all greeting greetings and greetings to us all 
.] 
Bill read a third time. 
Waiata 
The House adjourned at 6.06 p.m.