Eagle PaulPAUL EAGLE (Labour—Rongotai): Tēnā koe e te Māngai o te Whare. Thank you Mr Speaker. What a pleasure it is to talk to a bill the Crimes (Child Exploitation Offences) Amendment Bill from a person who I've known for many years and that's the member for Hutt South Ginny Andersen. I worked with her in the New Zealand Police when we were there and can I just say that she has an outstanding understanding of the justice sector and the role she has in the chair is well deserved.I'm thinking as people speak and talk about this piece of work that they reflect on the importance of children. Many of us have children and no doubt all of us are thinking Aha! What does this mean?" I know when I see my little six-year-old and his command of the iPad it does make me worry. At the moment I can see this game called Minecraft. I think it looks safe; I'm not too sure.Dr Duncan Webb: It's awesome.PAUL EAGLE: The member for Christchurch Central says "Awesome." So it must be safe and good! But I'm not too sure and I guess that's the point: as a six-year-old like that can take such a command. These things just weren't invented in our young age. And I heard someone talk about their perception of what someone looks like and I was thinking "Jeepers it's more and more looking like me!" But can I reassure you it's not! I think that was the Green member. But what the Green member was saying was that it could really be anyone and that's the point here: that we've got children who have now a much better command of these things probably better than their parents but it's an everyday part of their life. And even just going through this latest COVID response our online learning and their further command and understanding of all things digital just increases. And I guess there's a responsibility—I always think there's a responsibility there to take the time to understand these things.And I was talking to the electorate office secretary or whatever they're called now Brian Dawson there in Newtown and I was saying to him "Look I'm going to be speaking on this. What issues have we had?" And we were recounting a person in Hataitai someone locally who was quite astonished that there was this exchange of photos just done on an iPhone back and forward and the worst thing is that their son and the parent of the daughter who came to the house and had this conversation didn't think there was anything wrong at that time. But actually when they started working through it and then talking about the wider consequences they realised that a whole lot could go wrong. I believe this bill an important member's bill will certainly help in those conversations. And we have had quite some.I know when I talk to the principals—I've got seven secondary schools in the electorate. It's a small electorate geography wise I do get out and talk to them and I will talk about this. So the member for Hutt South when it goes back to the select committee I will encourage them to make submissions to talk to their leaders and to their technical and digital people on campus and say "Look here's an opportunity to get this right." And I believe there's a lot more out there than what is being said. I think it brings deep shame on people when they find out something is going on or they don't quite know how to manage it. I think it's a lot deeper and some of my colleagues have actually hinted at that saying "Look we just don't know." And there's a survey there that's been indicated between Netsafe and the Ministry for Women for example that talks about the experiences of teenagers and in fact seven out of 10 experience some sort of unwanted digital communication.So that's what the survey tells us. I believe it's a lot more and I think once this has the opportunity to get some air and for people to unpick it the select committee will do a good job. And they will be busy because this will expose some of the things that I believe are hidden there and this will do a good decent job. So I commend this bill to the House."