McKelvie Ian; Mallard TrevorIAN McKELVIE (National—Rangitīkei): Well you wouldn't believe that would you? He's spent four minutes and 45 seconds as the Minister of Employment at a time when we've got record unemployment talking about the policies of the Opposition. He's absolutely terrified of both the Opposition and of Dr Shane Reti who asks him questions every question time he's here. He's just hoping he'll get promoted to something else so he gets rid of him out of employment. I could not believe it. Now the other thing that bemused me a little bit was Minister Jones and I didn't come here to talk about this at all but he talked about leveraging the Crown's balance sheet. What he forgot was that the Crown's balance sheet belongs to the people of Helensville the people of Waimakariri and the people of Rangitīkei and they will have to pay that money back as Mr Jones leverages the Crown balance sheet and forks money out all over the country. Industries come and go politicians come and go—as we're about to find out in three months here—but the capture of seafood for human consumption has been around as long as humans have been around or at least it was before we got a coalition Government running the fishing industry. I want to just talk for a minute about the introduction of the Hector's dolphin and the Māui dolphin threat management plan that's coming into force on 1 October and the impact that's going to have on rural provincial towns where we have our fishermen and women living. That industry is getting hammered at every turn. Those people are extraordinarily hard-working and I think it's a tragedy that we continue to put pressure on small businesses—small family businesses—at a time when the country is in a great deal of trouble. So we're really looking at the actions of a dysfunctional coalition Government unable to make decisions to improve the security and safety of our fishing industry. Food is a critical topic for New Zealand and the provision of food safety and the safety and the reputation that that food carries with it as it is marketed around the world is hugely important to us so we need to be sure that we are operating sustainable businesses. To this end the provision of cameras in part of that industry is absolutely critical to the credence and the viability of the future of that industry as we go forward and we've got a Minister of Fisheries unable to deliver on that—an issue that will become an essential tool in the provision of efficacy for that industry going forward. Not only that but we have a Minister who subsequently leaks to the media and undermines the credibility of an industry and I think that's very unfortunate. Then we have New Zealand First being accused by the Minister of interfering in a process and Greenpeace also accusing New Zealand First of taking money from industry players to influence policy. It's a shambles and the challenge of this is that it undermines the credibility of the fishing industry. I don't mind what happens in this Parliament but it undermines an industry that is hugely valuable to New Zealand that returns $2 billion worth of benefit to this country and that employs some 13000 people—primarily in provincial New Zealand—with 2500 of them taking great risk at sea. The fishing industry has been under fire from environmental groups and so-called green politicians around the world for many years now and a lot of money is sourced internationally to try and influence policy in communities and fishing businesses like we have in New Zealand and I think that's very unfortunate. We're quite capable of managing our own fishing industry and I think we need to be let go and let do it. This Māui dolphin and Hector's dolphin thing is a very interesting piece of policy. But we've seen since 1921 five recorded captures of Māui dolphin and since I think 1991 we've seen some 29 Hector's dolphins caught or entangled in fishing nets and we're putting a massive structure in place that's going to damage large numbers of fishermen and women around the country in order to save a very small number of dolphins. The Minister's estimates of the cost of that policy and this is the ministry's estimate of it—wait for it—is between $29.3 million and $70 million. I don't know where he got the $0.3 million from but when you're that far out in your estimates what's the use of an estimate like that to an industry that's going to be significantly challenged by the change in policy. So it's very unfortunate I think that this is being dealt to our fishing industry at a time of great challenge for them. I've travelled around New Zealand speaking to fishermen all over the country. They're extremely worried about their futures as the cost is added to their business. They're also worried about the turmoil that's being created for their business as a result of COVID. This Government needs to treat small family businesses with respect—SPEAKER: Order! Sorry I apologise. I wasn't watching the clock. The member's time has expired.