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Wilson Margaret: Urgent Debates Declined — Police—Former Commissioner National Certificate of Educational Achievement—Scholarship 
Wilson Margaret: Urgent Debates Declined — Police—Former Commissioner National Certificate of Educational Achievement—Scholarship 
[Volume:625;Page:20370] 
Madam SPEAKER 
: Jim Peters seeks to debate “the failures that have crippled the NCEA scholarship system”. The way in which the member has raised this matter does not constitute a particular case of recent occurrence and his application is also declined. 
I have also received letters from the Hon Bill English seeking to debate the release of a report concerning the introduction of the New Zealand Scholarship qualification and from the Hon Ken Shirley about a Government decision to dissolve Te Wananga o Aotearoa. With regard to the latter I would point out that the Government has indicated that it has begun the statutory process of dissolving the wananga’s council rather than the wananga itself. Nevertheless I accept that with both applications there is a particular case of recent occurrence involving ministerial responsibility and I would have been inclined to allow a debate on either. Standing Order 375 states that there may be only one such debate on the same day and that if more than one matter is raised that would justify a debate the Speaker gives priority to the matter that in the Speaker’s opinion is the most urgent and important. I therefore have to make a judgment as a matter of priority on which of the two applications to accept. Urgent debates on aspects of the New Zealand Scholarship were held on 9 February and 30 March. No urgent debate has been held on events at the wananga. An application on 1 March was declined. In these circumstances it seems to me justifiable to give priority to Mr Shirley’s application as it relates to a matter that has not recently been debated in the House. I therefore call on him to move that the House take note of a matter of urgent importance.
Voting — Correction 
Voting — Correction 
[Volume:610;Page:7505] 
Voting 
Correction 
RODNEY HIDE (ACT NZ) 
: 
 For the vote on the Death with Dignity Bill last night I inadvertently missed Heather Roy’s proxy vote. I apologise to you Mr Speaker and to the House and I seek the leave of the House for Heather Roy’s vote for the Ayes to be recorded. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought for that to be done. Is there any objection? There is not. It will be so done. The result is now declared as Ayes 58 Noes 60 Abstentions 1. 
LARRY BALDOCK (United Future) 
: 
 I just want to clarity that result from the vote last night. By adding 1 to the Ayes how did it take 1 off the Noes? Could you clarify it? 
Mr SPEAKER 
: It did not. There was one person who did not vote.
Vote: New Zealand Symphony Orchestra Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
Vote: New Zealand Symphony Orchestra Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:616;Page:12326] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 30 
New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8. 
Noes 87 
New Zealand Labour 52; New Zealand National 26; ACT New Zealand 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Mike Ward to clause 12 be agreed to: 
to omit subclause (2) and substitute the following subclause: 
(2)The board must consist of not fewer than 5 members and not more than 8 members (including the chairperson) appointed by the Minister. One of these members must be a permanent player of the orchestra appointed by the Minister after consultation with orchestra players.
Beyer Georgina: Relationships (Statutory References) Bill; AND BILLS THEREFROM — Third Readings 
Beyer Georgina: Relationships (Statutory References) Bill; AND BILLS THEREFROM — Third Readings 
[Volume:624;Page:19185] 
GEORGINA BEYER (Labour—Wairarapa) 
: 
 I am very pleased to take a short call on the third reading of this companion legislation to the Civil Union Act. This is a great day of celebration for many New Zealanders. They will be able to choose to have a civil union if they so desire and it will have some punch—for want of a better term—behind it as a result of the various amendments that the legislation to which we are giving a third reading today will make in order to bring things into line and provide equity and equality. 
It has been interesting to listen to the contributions of some members to the debate this afternoon. I cannot help but detect a pessimistic sort of attitude—a fear and loathing for want of a better term—in some quarters about the state of relationships and particularly marriage in this country. Marriage is celebrated within this legislation. It is celebrated along with the civil union that it will help to endorse. In my opinion marriage is enhanced by this legislation and so is the state of relationships in this country. They will be enhanced by offering all New Zealanders the opportunity to have their relationships valued by our society so that we can continue to maintain the cornerstone that many in this House purport to uphold: family values. When I hear some of the pessimistic talk and the “fear and loathing” language of some members it concerns me. I have heard some members refer to my own member’s bill the Human Rights (Gender Identity) Amendment Bill which I am currently proposing for consideration by this Parliament. I have heard Mr Dail Jones make the most misleading comments about what that bill is about. It is about one simple inclusion in section 21 of the Human Rights Act to provide that gender identity is a ground upon which one cannot be discriminated against. 
The way this country has taken a lead in the world on legislation like this makes us admired and envied by many nations because we get it right and we give all people in this country a fair chance. That is represented in this Parliament. I respect the views that are expressed in their diversity. I support this legislation and celebrate its passing.
Vote: Local Government (Auckland) Amendment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Vote: Local Government (Auckland) Amendment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:618;Page:14041] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That schedule 3 as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 83 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 36 
New Zealand National 27; ACT New Zealand 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Schedule 3 as amended agreed to.
Robertson H V Ross: Fisheries Amendment Bill (No 3) — In Committee 
Robertson H V Ross: Fisheries Amendment Bill (No 3) — In Committee 
[Volume:619;Page:15205] 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I know what the member is going to say. I point out to members on my right that Speaker’s ruling 61/2 states that there is to be no comment at all during votes. There is to be silence and that goes for everybody in this Chamber. It is not the first time that that has happened this evening.
Carter David: Architects Bill — First Reading 
Carter David: Architects Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:613;Page:9764] 
Hon DAVID CARTER (National) 
: 
 I start by stating that the National Party will support the Architects Bill going to the Government Administration Committee. We will be watching it carefully as it proceeds through the select committee with a particular eye on the cost regime it will impose on people who use the services of architects. I say at the outset that I am a person who has on quite a regular basis used the services of architects. I congratulate the people in that profession on their creative ability and I say that over the time that I have observed the building industry New Zealand has made dramatic improvements in design and there are now buildings being created throughout New Zealand that will be seen as remarkable creations in their own right in the years to come. 
We welcome the updating of the legislation which is now 40 years old. We have had considerable problems with leaky buildings throughout New Zealand and in particular those problems have been associated with some designs in Auckland. There is no doubt that it is timely for the Government to take a look at the current regime for the registering of architects. I congratulate the Government and the Minister on taking the opportunity to review legislation that is 40 years old. 
On reading the bill I note that some work has been done on the regulatory impact and compliance cost statement. When I read that I was far from convinced that the legislation would not impose considerable additional costs on the people who use the services of architects. Ultimately those people are the consumers who are building houses up and down New Zealand. As the bill proceeds through the select committee the National Party members on that committee will be watching carefully to make sure that it is not something that imposes excessive costs as a means of ensuring a little more safety around the services of architects—costs that no doubt will be borne by the client of a particular architectural service. 
We will wait with interest as the legislation proceeds through the select committee. We reserve our position as to our long-term support for the legislation depending on the select committee process but we certainly welcome the bill into the House at this stage.
Samuels Dover: Points of Order — Rodney Hide—Apology to the House Minister of Maori Affairs—Answer to Question 
Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume 
Samuels Dover: Points of Order — Rodney Hide—Apology to the House Minister of Maori Affairs—Answer to Question 
[Sitting date: 19 June 2003. Volume:609;Page:6413. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon DOVER SAMUELS (Minister of State) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. Yesterday before question time began Rodney Hide sought leave of the House and it was granted to apologise for misleading the House with regard to statements he made about Mr Hemana Waaka and Maori Sportscasting International. I now seek leave for Mr Hide to offer his apologies kanohi ki te kanohi to Mr Hemana Waaka and his whanau.
Hartley Ann: Supreme Court Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Hartley Ann: Supreme Court Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:612;Page:9002] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: Just ruling on the point of order as Chair I certainly do not regard that as a derogatory comment. As the Speaker referred to earlier it might not be an accurate description but that is a matter for debate. 
Dail Jones 
: Point of order—
Parker David: Ngati Tuwharetoa (Bay of Plenty) Claims Settlement Bill — First Reading 
Parker David: Ngati Tuwharetoa (Bay of Plenty) Claims Settlement Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:621;Page:16461] 
DAVID PARKER (Labour—Otago) 
: 
 I rise in support of the NgatiTuwharetoa (Bay of Plenty) Claims Settlement Bill. Mr Ryall managed to raise issues with more sense than the deputy leader of the National Party Mr Brownlee did. At least I understood what Mr Ryall was trying to say even if I did not agree with it. The summary of the settlement redress that is provided for in this bill includes a Crown apology financial redress of $10.5 million the vesting of various properties back to NgatiTuwharetoa a statutory acknowledgment of the association that it has with some statutory areas including the geothermal area and the granting of some renewable camping entitlements over one nohoanga site. As well as that various other provisions are detailed in the bill. I think it is a good bill. It makes it clear that it is a final settlement of all the historic claims and I support its progression to the select committee.
Duncan Helen: Motor Vehicle Sales Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Duncan Helen: Motor Vehicle Sales Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:607;Page:4757] 
HELEN DUNCAN (NZ Labour) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: No.
Pettis Jill: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Pettis Jill: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:612;Page:9092] 
9.  
JILL PETTIS (Labour—Whanganui) 
 to the  
Minister of Education 
: Is the Government taking any steps to ensure that students stay engaged in learning and therefore reduce the level of truancy; if so what? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Minister of Education) 
: 
 Yes the Government is expanding its existing suspension reduction initiative to include schools with very high rates of early leaving exemptions supporting a pilot project designed to streamline and make more cost-effective truancy prosecution and developing new data and tracking systems to ensure that parents can deal immediately with unexplained absences. This will inter alia involve emails and text messages. 
Jill Pettis 
: Could the Minister advise the House of the aim of the pilot project that is looking at the prosecutions process for truancy? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: The project has been developed in conjunction with the Crown Solicitor’s office in Auckland and is aimed at providing schools and the police with a cost-effective and speedy process for dealing with truancy when other means have failed. Funding for this will be up to $30000 in the first year. However it will still require the prosecutor to turn up in court unlike Nick Smith’s pathetic performance. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The last few words were unnecessary. 
Simon Power 
: How can the Minister say he is ensuring students stay engaged in learning and is reducing truancy when he intends to reduce the number of rural schools in places like Taihape thus making it more difficult for students to attend schools? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: I have made no such decision to reduce the number of schools in the Taihape area. In fact I have had quite positive discussions with the local member on the subject. 
Bernie Ogilvy 
: Noting the Minister’s efforts to tackle truancy by seeking to engage students in school will he also consider increasing the sanctions for parents of recidivist truants from a $150 maximum fine to an amount that reflects the cost to the taxpayer of educating that child such as a per-day amount of $18.85 for primary school students and $27.48 for secondary school students; if not why not? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: I am not an expert on the law but I understand that separate prosecutions can be taken on a daily basis and therefore the $150 could apply on—[ 
Interruption 
] I am sorry I will take the advice of the member that that amount can occur. The key as far as I am concerned is to make examples of a few parents but the really important thing is to ensure that kids are engaged. The work of Russell Bishop John Hattie and others is showing that good work within schools can result in engagement and in kids wanting to be there and that makes a difference.
Vote: Judicature Amendment Bill (No 3) — First Reading 
Vote: Judicature Amendment Bill (No 3) — First Reading 
[Volume:627;Page:21779] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Judicature Amendment Bill (No 3) be now read a first time 
. 
Ayes 84 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2; Maori Party 1. 
Noes 36 
New Zealand National 27; ACT New Zealand 9. 
Bill read a first time.
Vote: Courts and Criminal Matters Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Vote: Courts and Criminal Matters Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:626;Page:21727] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 67 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 7; United Future 7; Progressive 2. 
Noes 35 
New Zealand National 18; New Zealand First 12; ACT New Zealand 5. 
Motion agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Rick Barker to the amendment to clause 22 to omit and substitute new section 145B of the Sentencing Act set out on Supplementary Order Paper 370 in the name of the Hon Rick Barker be agreed to: 
to omit from the heading to proposed new section 145B of the Sentencing Act 2002 the words “where entitlement to payments unclear”. 
Amendment to the amendment agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendments as amended set out on Supplementary Order Paper 370 in the name of the Hon Rick Barker to Part 7 be agreed to. 
Amendments as amended agreed to and Part 7 as amended agreed to.
Fairbrother Russell: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Fairbrother Russell: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:613;Page:9794] 
6.  
RUSSELL FAIRBROTHER (Labour—Napier) 
 to the  
Minister for Information Technology 
: What has been the Government's response to the report of the Information and Communications Technology Sector Task Force? 
Hon PAUL SWAIN (Minister for Information Technology) 
: 
 Very positive. The Government has responded to the report of the Information and Communications Technology Sector Task Force with a funding package of more than $14 million over the next 4 years specifically for information and communications technology and more than 30 new initiatives to support growth in New Zealand’s high-tech sectors including information and communications technology. The money will be targeted at various initiatives designed to support the task force goal of 100 information and communications technology companies each turning over $100 million annually by 2012. 
Russell Fairbrother 
: How many information and communications technology companies currently have sales levels of over $100 million and what is the potential for more? 
Hon PAUL SWAIN 
: There are currently 16 information and communications technology companies with sales of more than $100 million in New Zealand. I am told that over 80 companies have already signed up to the high-growth programme indicating that there is a high degree of support and enthusiasm in the information and communications technology sector for participating in this initiative. As the task force said there is no shortage of great ideas in New Zealand but a shortage of the managerial skills to take them global. Addressing this issue is a key focus of the Government response in partnership with the private sector. 
Dr Muriel Newman 
: With regard to the communications issues raised by the task force did the Government consider the significant impact on all New Zealanders including the Department of Child Youth and Family Services courts and police of the Telecommunications Information Privacy Code 2003 which just this week has caused Telecom to shut down its nationwide search capability of the electronic white pages on the World Wide Web; if not why not. 
Hon PAUL SWAIN 
: No.
Adams Paul: Social Security (Long-term Residential Care) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Adams Paul: Social Security (Long-term Residential Care) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:622;Page:17291] 
PAUL ADAMS (United Future) 
: 
 I rise on behalf of United Future to speak on Part 2. It is interesting to see the voting by all the parties here in the Chamber. This bill has been severely criticised and major concerns have been brought to the Government’s attention not by parties that oppose the bill but rather by parties that support it. It should be a major wake-up call to the Minister in the chair the Hon Ruth Dyson and to the Government that those who support the basic principle of this bill which is the removal of asset testing are speaking out so fervently and bringing such major concerns to the attention of the Government. 
Progress reported. 
Report adopted.
Brownlee Gerry: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Brownlee Gerry: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:624;Page:19440] 
GERRY BROWNLEE (Deputy Leader—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. Quite obviously the Prime Minister has popped out for a minute perhaps into the lobby to sort out a problem or two. I seek leave for this question to be deferred until the Prime Minister steps back into the Chamber. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought for the question to be deferred. Is there any objection? There is. The question will be asked.
Peters Winston: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Peters Winston: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:624;Page:19442] 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 In the interests of accuracy I seek leave to table a chart that shows that in 1996 the consents granted by the Overseas Investment Commission were 339 that then they dropped to 289 and 281 in the next 2 years and that then there was a massive jump to 416 in 1999 and to 314 in 2000. I table this so that the Prime Minister can have her figures put right. 
Document by leave laid on the Table of the House.
Shirley Ken: Maori Television Service Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled 
Shirley Ken: Maori Television Service Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled 
[Volume:607;Page:5006] 
Hon KEN SHIRLEY (Deputy Leader—ACT NZ) 
: 
 Point of order Mr Chairperson— 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I have already ruled and I am not prepared to relitigate this matter. 
Hon KEN SHIRLEY 
: I understand that Mr Chairperson but you leave me with no alternative. I move  
That the Speaker be recalled 
. 
Motion agreed to and House resumed.
Visitors — Delegation from Malaysia 
Visitors — Delegation from Malaysia 
[Volume:610;Page:7895] 
Wednesday 13 August 2003 
Mr Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Prayers 
. 
Visitors 
Delegation from Malaysia 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I have much pleasure in informing members that a parliamentary delegation from Malaysia led by the Hon Datuk Muhammad Abdullah Deputy Speaker to the House of Representatives is present in the gallery. I am sure that members would wish that the delegation be welcomed.
Peck Mark: Fair Trading Amendment Bill (No 3) — Third Reading 
Peck Mark: Fair Trading Amendment Bill (No 3) — Third Reading 
[Volume:609;Page:6914] 
MARK PECK (NZ Labour—Invercargill) 
: I support this bill.
Vote: Misuse of Drugs Amendment Bill (No 3) — In Committee Third Reading 
Vote: Misuse of Drugs Amendment Bill (No 3) — In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:626;Page:21509] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That schedule 4 be agreed to. 
Ayes 82 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 7; United Future 8; Progressive 2; Maori Party 1. 
Noes 35 
New Zealand National 26; ACT New Zealand 9. 
Schedule4 agreed to.
Collins Judith: Charities Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
Collins Judith: Charities Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:625;Page:19976] 
JUDITH COLLINS (National—Clevedon) 
: 
 I am happy to withdraw and apologise for that in relation to New Zealand First.
Vote: Local Government (Auckland) Amendment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Vote: Local Government (Auckland) Amendment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:618;Page:14041] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 83 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 36 
New Zealand National 27; ACT New Zealand 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Amendments agreed to.
Brown Peter: Standing Orders—Sessional 
Brown Peter: Standing Orders—Sessional 
[Volume:614;Page:10332] 
PETER BROWN (Deputy Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 New Zealand First also supports the Government’s stance on this issue. We are very pleased that Air New Zealand will be recognised as a public organisation for the purposes of the Standing Orders. We believe it is timely that this organisation comes before Parliament and is subjected to political scrutiny by a select committee. New Zealanders are very proud of Air New Zealand very proud indeed. When New Zealanders get on board the airline in places like London or Los Angeles they immediately feel it is part of being at home. I know I feel that myself. When I came back from London a few months ago and I boarded an Air New Zealand aircraft it was like being back in New Zealand. 
Simon Power 
: Did customs frisk you? 
PETER BROWN 
: No but customs did frisk my wife as we left New Zealand. Anyone who has nothing to be fearful of should not be afraid of the Customs Service. I tell the member that because he might need a little bit of enlightening on that aspect. 
Air New Zealand has a tremendous reputation when it comes to safety and service. In terms of safety it has had some unfortunate moments but one has to admire the positive way it reacts to addressing those issues. In terms of service I do not think there is an airline that can match it. There is certainly none that can beat it. However when it comes to the business side of Air New Zealand it has a rather chequered past. It was sold and it had a disastrous arrangement for want of a better term with Ansett Australia and that almost brought Air New Zealand to its knees. The Government rightly so in the opinion of New Zealand First bought the airline back. We were pleased that it did that and we are absolutely pleased it is now inclined to make this organisation a public organisation for the purposes of the Standing Orders. 
Unlike the Greens who want to claim credit for just about everything we recognise that it is a move by Dr Cullen probably in particular and the Government and we are supportive of this initiative. There is not a great deal more to say except to add that it seems to me that this will go through the House with a degree of if not total support certainly a high level of support from all politicians from all parties. New Zealand First supports this Government motion.
Privilege — Select Committee Reports—Confidentiality 
Privilege — Select Committee Reports—Confidentiality 
[Volume:609;Page:6247] 
Tuesday 17 June 2003 
Mr Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Prayers 
. 
Privilege 
Select Committee Reports—Confidentiality 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I have received a complaint of a matter of privilege relating to an article published in the  
Sunday Star-Times  
of 8 June 2003 headed “Latimer under fire for fees labelled ‘grossly excessive’ ”. The newspaper report purports to summarise the contents of a draft report of the Maori Affairs Committee on its inquiry into the Crown Forestry Rental Trust—an inquiry that has not yet been the subject of a report to the House. 
Under Standing Order 237(2) a draft report of a select committee is strictly confidential to the committee until the committee reports to the House. Divulging the proceedings or report of a select committee contrary to the Standing Orders may itself be treated as a contempt under Standing Order 397(m). I find that the article does constitute a question of privilege in that a breach of Standing Order 237(2) and hence a contempt under Standing Order 397(m) may have occurred. The question therefore stands referred to the Privileges Committee.
Gosche Mark: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Gosche Mark: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:617;Page:12972] 
8.  
Hon MARK GOSCHE (Labour—Maungakiekie) 
 to the  
Minister for Social Development and Employment 
: What recent reports has he received on the state of the labour market? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY (Minister for Social Development and Employment) 
: 
 Last week the Government Statistician released the results of the household labour force survey for the March 2004 quarter. This shows that 193000 more New Zealanders are employed than when the Labour-led Government took office 4 years ago including 17000 more in the last quarter which is the sixth consecutive quarter of job growth. The unemployment rate is now down to 4.3 percent the lowest since December 1987 and the fourth lowest in the OECD. Job vacancies as measured by the  
ANZ Job Ads 
 series are at a near record level—9.6 percent ahead of last year—and the Department of Labour’s new job vacancy monitor confirms this increase in the number of job vacancies as well. 
Hon Mark Gosche 
: What reports has the Minister seen about alternative ways of getting people into employment? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY 
: I have seen suggestions that the unemployed should queue outside post offices on a daily basis. I have seen suggestions that superannuation cannot be relied upon by people who are now under 50 so they should work forever. I have also seen suggestions of time limits on benefits. This Government however believes in helping people into real jobs with real wages and 193000 more of them in paid employment shows that those policies are working—unlike the National Party which advanced the policies I just mentioned. 
Hon Mark Gosche 
: What reports has the Minister seen on employment growth in the regions? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY 
: I have seen a large number of reports on the regions in terms of job growth and low unemployment. For example  
Hawke’s Bay Today 
 tells us that unemployment has plummeted. This page shows booming job opportunities in tourism the service sector and building. In a town very close to Mr Power who is trying to interject the  
Manawatu Standard 
 reports that a 21 percent drop in the jobless rate has occurred. The Taranaki  
Daily News 
 reports a 19 percent drop in joblessness and the  
Oamaru Mail 
 a 34 percent drop in joblessness. For members who come from Northland I have to say that we have seen a record drop in unemployment in that region.
Burton Mark: Retirements — Ombudsman—Judge Anand Satyanand 
Burton Mark: Retirements — Ombudsman—Judge Anand Satyanand 
[Volume:623;Page:18495] 
Hon MARK BURTON (Deputy Leader of the House) 
: 
 It is my privilege and pleasure to move  
That this House noting that Judge Anand Satyanand is retiring as Ombudsman this month place on record its appreciation of his service as an Officer of Parliament since 1995 and as a District Court Judge from 1982 and wish Judge and Mrs Susan Satyanand all the best for the future.
Donald Rod: Appointments — Electoral Commission—Membership 
Donald Rod: Appointments — Electoral Commission—Membership 
[Volume:624;Page:19000] 
ROD DONALD (Co-Leader—Green) 
: 
 Before the dinner break I would like to say something positive about what has happened with regard to the Electoral Commission and I will save my other comments for after dinner. The positive aspect of today’s debate is that we are pleased that the Minister has announced a funding increase for the broadcasting allocation. It is a good move that the funding has been increased from its 1990 level because the cost of running election broadcasting on television and radio has increased significantly since then. Advertising rates have gone up by something like 30 percent since the last election but the funding would have been locked for five elections at $2 million. At least now there will be $3.2 million to share amongst the parties. So I agree with the Minister— 
Debate interrupted. 
Sitting suspended from 6 p.m. to 7.30 p.m.
Carter Chris: Business Law Reform Bill — First Reading 
Carter Chris: Business Law Reform Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:609;Page:6533] 
Hon CHRIS CARTER (Minister of Conservation) 
: 
 After that fascinating and eloquent discourse all I can say is that this bill does contain various amendments to a number of business laws. The amendments seek to reduce costs for business. That has to be a good thing and that is why I support the bill.
Prebble Richard: Civil Union Bill — In Committee Procedure 
Prebble Richard: Civil Union Bill — In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:622;Page:17572] 
Hon RICHARD PREBBLE (ACT) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. If you are going to do that then I think it might be an appropriate course to do the vote again; to just allow members to go into the lobbies and if there are members here who have not voted—I understand there are four—to allow them to go and cast their votes correctly. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich) 
: We can do that and we will proceed along those lines. We will go back to redo the vote.
Hughes Darren: Parole (Extended Supervision) and Sentencing Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Hughes Darren: Parole (Extended Supervision) and Sentencing Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:618;Page:14163] 
DARREN HUGHES (Junior Whip—Labour) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Vote: Maori Fisheries Bill — First Reading 
Vote: Maori Fisheries Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:614;Page:10485] 
A party vote 
Ayes 107 
New Zealand Labour 52; New Zealand National 24; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Noes 8 
ACT New Zealand 8. 
Bill read a first time. 
was called for on the question That the Maori Fisheries Bill be now read a first time.
Points of Order — Question Time—Presence of Prime Minister  
Points of Order — Question Time—Presence of Prime Minister  
[Volume:611;Page:8441] 
Points of Order 
Question Time—Presence of Prime Minister  
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. This question is really addressed to the Leader of the House. I have had a look at the questions for today and I have to ask him whether the Prime Minister intends to visit the House this week. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I say to the member that I know because of a phone call I had from the Prime Minister that her plane was late. She is due down here in about 5 minutes.
Mackey Moana: Courts and Criminal Matters Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Mackey Moana: Courts and Criminal Matters Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:626;Page:21699] 
MOANA MACKEY (Labour) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Robertson H V Ross: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Referral to Health Committee Procedure In Committee 
Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume 
Robertson H V Ross: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Referral to Health Committee Procedure In Committee 
[Sitting date: 15 October 2003. Volume:612;Page:9230. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: No I do not need any help with this. I say to the member that the National Party has had six calls and ACT has had two. That is directly in line with proportionality. 
Peter Brown 
: I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I do not mean to interrupt the doctor’s speech but she has already had one call on this part of the debate and there are others who have not had any.
Brown Peter: Border Security Bill — In Committee 
Brown Peter: Border Security Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:617;Page:13283] 
PETER BROWN (Senior Whip—NZ First) 
: 
 I am making the point that this is a complicated bill with a brand new part being put in and you are taking only a relatively few number of calls. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich) 
: The only effect several members have had is in delaying further debate on this part.
Vote: Care of Children Bill Status of Children Amendment Bill — Third Readings 
Vote: Care of Children Bill Status of Children Amendment Bill — Third Readings 
[Volume:621;Page:16731] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Status of Children Amendment Bill be now read a third time 
. 
Ayes 62 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; Progressive 2. 
Noes 58 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 8; Maori Party 1; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Bill read a third time.
Parker David: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Parker David: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:616;Page:12445] 
12.  
DAVID PARKER (Labour—Otago) 
 to the  
Associate Minister of Health 
: What is the Government doing to support the health of rural New Zealanders? 
Hon DAMIEN O'CONNOR (Associate Minister of Health) 
:  
There are many initiatives under way. We recently announced the extension of the primary health-care nurse practitioner rural scholarships. The scholarships help clinical nurse specialists in rural practice take a year off to complete the necessary study to bring their qualifications up to nurse practitioner level with prescribing rights. Nurse practitioners with prescribing competencies make a huge contribution to the rural health workforce and this scheme recognises that. 
David Parker 
: What other programmes are in place to improve the health of rural New Zealanders? 
Hon DAMIEN O'CONNOR 
: The extension of these scholarships complements an already strong raft of rural health initiatives some of which include reasonable roster funding to relieve rural doctors and nurses recruitment and retention funding to address rural workforce issues the rural locum support scheme and the rural general practice network—that is finding long-term locums and permanent general practitioners for rural practices. 
Judy Turner 
: Does the Minister agree that the money spent on recruiting rural locum doctors from overseas would be better directed towards investing in New Zealand medical students and providing incentives for their retention so that rather than losing 30 percent of these new graduates within the first 3 years of work and losing their skills and specific knowledge of New Zealand conditions they could be employed in filling the urgent deficit of approximately 80 rural general practitioners; if not why not? 
Hon DAMIEN O'CONNOR 
: That is a very good idea and the Government is in fact undertaking both. We are attracting overseas general practitioners and we are supporting general practitioners who go through the system here. Forty more places were put into the medical schools under this Government to try to address the problem of the shortage that was ignored by the previous National Government.
Vote: New Zealand Trade and Enterprise Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Vote: New Zealand Trade and Enterprise Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:609;Page:6262] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the motion be agreed to. 
Ayes 71 
Labour 52; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 47 
New Zealand National 26; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8. 
Motion agreed to.
te Heuheu Georgina: Ngati Tuwharetoa (Bay of Plenty) Claims Settlement Bill — In Committee 
te Heuheu Georgina: Ngati Tuwharetoa (Bay of Plenty) Claims Settlement Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:625;Page:20254] 
Hon GEORGINA TE HEUHEU (National) 
: 
 I thought the previous speaker’s focus on Lake Taupo and scientific research was a little bit out of kilter with the bill before us. 
I stand to support my colleague Dr Mapp’s query. As even the previous speaker Ken Shirley acknowledged it is an important question. We would like an explanation about the easements over Department of Conservation land referred to in clause 121. My colleague made the comment that we would assume if there was public access already granted then that would include Ngati Tuwharetoa Bay of Plenty. So why are we now seeking these special access provisions? The other point that my colleague made was that the Minister in the chair Mita Ririnui has particular knowledge of the area under discussion. My experience during the settlement bills is that he has always been willing to rise and answer our queries. I see him looking at his green notepaper so I assume he has some answers for us. 
Of course he will acknowledge that getting some clarity around these easements is critical in Treaty of Waitangi settlements because it is at this point that members of the public start to get a little bit uneasy about whether access or rights to certain sites and areas of land that they have enjoyed may be constricted. I am sure that that is not the case here and I am sure the Minister will reassure us of that. None the less in my experience it is sometimes at this point when commercial redress and statutory acknowledgments are being discussed—as modest as an acknowledgment or an access provision might be—that the hackles tend to rise on members of the public who do not always understand the reason for special provisions. Maybe that is rightly so in some instances. 
If the Minister covers that area then other access provisions that are present in Part 5 will also hopefully be covered by his reassurance to members of the public that none of the access provisions provided for in Part 5 of the bill will in any way affect rights that others have had up until now. In the end these settlements need to be seen in the context of being positive for all New Zealanders.
Business of Select Committees 
Business of Select Committees 
[Volume:625;Page:20573] 
Business of Select Committees 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 Pursuant to an agreement in the Business Committee last week I seek leave for the Fiscal Strategy Report 2005 and the Economic and Fiscal Update 2005 to stand referred to the Finance and Expenditure Committee once they have been tabled on Thursday. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: Is there any objection to that course being followed? There is no objection.
Sowry Roger: Holidays Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Sowry Roger: Holidays Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:620;Page:16063] 
Hon ROGER SOWRY (National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I think it is appropriate to do this while voting is taking place. I have not before seen a party take instructions from another party during a vote. I have heard Speakers rule in the past that members approaching people in a threatening way and telling them how to vote is out of order. I wonder whether it is any different when a member does that in a jovial way. At the end of the day voting is something that is quite responsible. For a member of a party—even a party as tiny and insignificant as the Progressives—to wander into the Chamber as the Progressive member did to say: “Just a minute before I vote I have to find out what I am meant to do.” and to take that instruction from another party I think is probably a breach of the Standing Orders.  
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I thank the member for drawing that to my attention. I did not see that the member was being intimidated in any way. If he wishes to discuss the matter with someone else I think that is entirely up to the member and the party he represents. Members might like to look at Speaker’s ruling 61/2.
Carter Chris: Education Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Carter Chris: Education Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:622;Page:18084] 
Hon CHRIS CARTER (Minister of Conservation) 
: 
 People listening to the contribution of that member from the Nelson area Nick Smith would have just been reminded again of something we hear so often from him—that is negativity negativity negativity. All we hear is whinge moan and whine. 
That member never acknowledges the fact that this Government has increased spending on education by 40 percent since 1999 and that there is not a school in this country that has not benefited from a massive burst in building. I know that every one of the 27 schools in my electorate of Te Atatu in west Auckland has had a new building project in the last 2 years. Principals have laptops there is extra staffing the operations grant has gone up and so it goes on. 
This Government is absolutely committed to education because we see it as the tool for improving the chances of every person in New Zealand to get ahead in life. We are the Government of education. No Government has delivered more for education than this Government and this Education Amendment Bill we are debating today is part of the package of resources that this Government under the very wise leadership of the Minister of Education the Hon Trevor Mallard is giving to this country to shape a better education service. It is through the schools of New Zealand that we will change society give that chance for everybody to get ahead and build a strong economy and a better-educated nation. 
This is excellent legislation. It builds on the incredible progress we have made over the last 5 years in the education sector.
Hughes Darren: Prisoners' and Victims' Claims Bill — Second Reading 
Hughes Darren: Prisoners' and Victims' Claims Bill — Second Reading 
[Volume:625;Page:20569] 
DARREN HUGHES (Labour—Otaki) 
: 
 In rising to take a brief call in support of the second reading of this bill I think it is pretty clear that most people believe it is wrong that offenders should be compensated for wrongful treatment and then in turn not be required to pay restitution to the victims whom they harmed—the harm to those victims of course having made them prisoners in the first place. 
The bill sets out to do two things: first to ensure that prisoners can be compensated only in acceptable cases after they have gone through all possible avenues of complaint; and then second it sets out opportunities in terms of assistance of victims to pursue compensation from those who have offended against them so that the victims have access to any compensation paid in that regard. So I support this bill.
Parker David: Government Communications Security Bureau Bill — Third Reading 
Parker David: Government Communications Security Bureau Bill — Third Reading 
[Volume:607;Page:4512] 
DAVID PARKER (NZ Labour—Otago) 
: 
 I rise in support of the bill. The Government Communications Security Bureau was formed in 1977 without specific statutory authority. The bill provides some important safeguards to privacy but at the same time ensures that the bureau’s present ability to intercept foreign communications without warrants is retained although some warrantable aspects are also introduced to it. In doing so it puts the bureau on a similar footing to that of the New Zealand Security Intelligence Service. I think it is good legislation and I commend it to the House.
Swain Paul: Taxation (Base Maintenance  and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Swain Paul: Taxation (Base Maintenance  and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:626;Page:21462] 
Hon PAUL SWAIN (Minister of Labour) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Pettis Jill: Employment Relations Law Reform Bill — In Committee 
Pettis Jill: Employment Relations Law Reform Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:620;Page:16143] 
JILL PETTIS (Senior Whip—Labour) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Vote: Fisheries Amendment Bill (No 3) — In Committee 
Vote: Fisheries Amendment Bill (No 3) — In Committee 
[Volume:619;Page:15194] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That schedule 1 as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 62 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; Progressive 2. 
Noes 55 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 6; United Future 8; Maori Party 1. 
Schedule 1 as amended agreed to.
Hartley Ann: Fisheries Amendment Bill (No 4) — In Committee 
Hartley Ann: Fisheries Amendment Bill (No 4) — In Committee 
[Volume:619;Page:14548] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: As this bill is not drafted in parts we begin with clause 1.
Carter Chris: Third Readings 
Carter Chris: Third Readings 
[Volume:622;Page:17965] 
Hon CHRIS CARTER (Minister of Conservation) 
: 
 I rise to support the third readings of the legislation. I would like to echo the last member’s words and wish you a very happy Christmas after a very productive and interesting year in the House where as Speaker you have at all times behaved in the most professional and fair manner. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Thank you but that still does not mean the member can break any Standing Orders.
Brownlee Gerry: Speaker’s Rulings — Privileges of the House and Speaker's Actions 
Brownlee Gerry: Speaker’s Rulings — Privileges of the House and Speaker's Actions 
[Volume:611;Page:8737] 
GERRY BROWNLEE (NZ National—Ilam) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. This is an important issue and I would like you to take a minute to be a bit clearer about the answer you gave to the Hon Bill English when he raised the point of order relating to essentially the status that may now be placed upon the evidence collected by the police from Mr Ardern when they did visit these premises. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Yes I will do that now. 
GERRY BROWNLEE 
: If I can I will just ask a simple question. Have you said that the matter of privilege in this case is to be at least in part determined by the court? It would seem that in normal cases evidence that is illegally gathered is not admissible. In this case if the evidence was gathered by illegal means surely that does have a material effect on Mr Ardern’s case.