Simmonds PennyPENNY SIMMONDS (National—Invercargill): I'm interested to get a little bit more detail from the Minister on what specifically might trigger these ministerial interventions and also just some clarification because the Minister talked about the appointment of a Crown manager when she commented just before and I don't see anything in here that talks about a Crown manager. I can see the monitor—in section 169 is the appointment and role of a monitor clause 175 is the appointment of a Crown review team and clause 177 is as the Minister made a point of a Crown observer so—Hon Nanaia Mahuta: Clause 179.PENNY SIMMONDS: Clause 179 has the next step of appointing a Crown manager so—thank you 179. So as well as the monitor there are the three further steps: the review team the Crown observer and then the Crown manager. Although the Minister said it mirrors what is in there for the local authorities themselves it does seem to be particularly heavy in terms of interventions available to the Minister particularly when the local authorities own these assets.So I'm interested to know what power for intervention as owners there are for the local authorities and if there are none why are there none? It would have seemed like that is the logical first step that in fact the local authorities would want to be able to monitor. That would be I would have thought the first remedial action that if the local authorities are still the owners that there should be some ability for intervention from the owners before working through these steps.I'm interested to know the appointment of the monitor and that's in clause 169 and how the Minister will appoint a monitor and in fact what relationship that monitor might have with the local authorities or is the monitor going to be reporting to the Minister or how the relationship will work there. And then what the specific circumstances are that might trigger each of those layers of intervention by the Minister. That is the intervention of the Crown review team as noted in clause 175 and the intervention of the Crown observer as noted in clause 177 and then of course clause 179—which I'm interested that we are able to be discussing because Part 5 sorry Part 5 does include of course 179. So my apologies there it's obviously getting late in the day. So those—Lemauga Lydia Sosene: You've got until midnight.PENNY SIMMONDS: Exactly. And aren't we looking forward to that? So we are certainly very very very keen—Chris Bishop: Who's responsible for that?Hon Members: You are!Chris Bishop: Oh ho ho—we are? Righty-o—32 bills in the order paper motion!PENNY SIMMONDS: Mr Speaker—CHAIRPERSON (Greg O'Connor): Mr Bishop I can't hear your fellow member. So just keep your voice down please. Carry on Ms Simmonds. I'll give you an extra 10 seconds. PENNY SIMMONDS: Thank you Mr Chair. Because these matters and I know there's been a lot of accusations backwards and forwards—but these are matters that the public and particularly those that are involved in local authorities will want to be very clear about. They will want to know why they don't have those powers of interventions themselves they will want to know what relationship they might have when interventions do occur and they will want to know what it will be that will trigger those interventions. I think the public deserves to be made very aware of those matters and while the accusations were flying this is a very serious and important matter for our ratepayers for our local authorities. So thank you very much Mr Chair.