Kuriger Barbara; Brewer Cameron; Tuiono TeanauSALE AND SUPPLY OF ALCOHOL (CELLAR DOOR TASTING) AMENDMENT BILLSecond ReadingDebate resumed from 10 April.DEPUTY SPEAKER: So there's an interrupted debate on the second reading of the second reading of the Sale and Supply of Alcohol (Cellar Door Tasting) Amendment Bill.CAMERON BREWER (National—Upper Harbour): Anyone—oh we've got a call over there?DEPUTY SPEAKER: Well we can swap them around. The Labour member hadn't called so we'll take you—oh now they're both sitting. Cameron Brewer we'll let you go first and then we'll take Helen White following that. There we go.CAMERON BREWER: Oh thank you so much Madam Speaker. It's great to be standing in support of the Sale and Supply of Alcohol (Cellar Door Tasting) Amendment Bill. I want to first acknowledge our illustrious colleague Stuart Smith. We were told not so long ago that Stuart's been pushing this along since 2015 and so as the Mainland Cheese ad once famously declared Good things take time." So Stuart comes to this piece of legislation with a lot of industry and professional knowledge and some minimal social experience as well.So as a committee we in the Justice Committee worked judiciously through this piece of legislation to make it as workable to the industry and to the communities and to the public as best we could. Just as the previous member on the previous bill said "Let's keep our eye on the prize." I think James Meager that we need to keep our eye on the prize here. Some other members were interested in broadening the scope of who this legislation could apply to. Could it apply to gin distilleries? Could it apply to craft beer? Frankly as Greg O'Connor said in the last bill let's keep it in the spirit of a member's bill and let's keep our eye on the prize.James Meager: Good idea for another bill though.CAMERON BREWER: That's right; there are always opportunities for other bills but we here certainly thought that this was being restricted to the wine industry and the very successful wine sector with $2 billion - plus of exports every year and a big part of the "New Zealand Inc." brand. We think that this is another natural progression in the wine industry's growth not just commercially but in sophistication and its marketability and sound and sensible access.We also note that there are very few industries and parts of the commercial world that are as heavily regulated as those pertaining to alcohol. So while this amendment bill allows cellar doors to be able to charge for tastings we are heavily protected as a public and as politicians by sale and supply legislation which is rigorously enforced and conscientiously monitored in and around those that might be off- or on-licences or both.Now the committee heard that this was referred by the 53rd Parliament. We know it's had a long gestation. The committee called for submissions to the bill and received 72 submissions from interested groups and individuals. We heard a number of those in person and on video link from all walks of life—some in the industry; others not. We got advice on the bill across many of our officials within the Ministry of Justice the Office of the Clerk and the Parliamentary Counsel Office. So I just wanted to start with an acknowledgment to our chair James Meager who shepherded us through this and the many members on the committee including my colleagues here—Rima Nakhle Paulo Garcia Todd Stephenson—and the very hard-working and diligent Jamie Arbuckle who also knows the sauvignon capital of the world that is Marlborough pretty well given that that is his home patch.Of course this piece of legislation it pertains to all of the country. Whether it's the chardonnay cellar doors in the Gisborne Tairāwhiti area or whether it's the pinot noirs in Central Otago this amendment applies to all of those that are running cellar door operations. It doesn't make it compulsory but it gives those that are running small—often small—cellar doors the ability to charge and to claim many of those costs back.Now there has been concern and there may be concern raised tonight that the definition is too broad and that some with an eye to business might take the definitions of this—even though it's written in as not the intent—to take it away from the environment of the cellar door and set up shop in Oxford Terrace in Christchurch or Courtenay Place in Wellington or Broadway in Newmarket and sell—can you picture this Mr Speaker—and try and make money off selling 35 millilitres because that's the max—just think of that cough medicine that you have in the morning—35 millilitres seven teaspoons—of profiteering from that by taking the mickey out of this legislation and setting up shop and trying to make a dollar while paying top rates and top commercial leases on Oxford Terrace by selling 35-millilitre pours. We have dubbed that "Webb's Wine Bar"—"Webb's Wine Bar".So if our friend and Opposition member Duncan Webb suggests—Hon Scott Simpson: The Hon Dr.CAMERON BREWER: —the Hon Dr Webb suggests that some like Leo Molloy or whoever might set up shop and work around this legislation. Well we have looked at this closely we have examined this—Ryan Hamilton: Forensic.CAMERON BREWER: —we have been forensic Ryan Hamilton with this and that would make no commercial sense and that is not going to happen. The Leo Molloys of this world are not going to get into the wine business so they can sell 35-millilitre pours. This is for those operators that have been forced to—because of the legislative and regulatory restrictions they haven't been able to sell wine but they have to give it away.So the irony is this is adding regulation and adding public safety where we didn't have it. So for the wine industry they are happy with where we landed. They are happy with the size of samples being no more than 35 millilitres. They are happy with the provision of water being put there as part of host responsibility—and again if we status quo it doesn't put any of these provisions on: on size of pour water availability and the provision of snack food.Now we had a look at this across the aisle. We worked because we didn't want this to be an arduous requirement that would mean that you'd basically have to set up a—Mike Butterick: A commercial kitchen.CAMERON BREWER: —commercial kitchen and cook hot meals—Mike Butterick hot meals—and provide a substantial meal that most people going in and having a wine taste probably don't want. So we have landed in a place around snack food where the difference is there but it's not over-cumbersome that it forces cellar doors just to say "Look it's getting too hard."So we think we have struck a balance here in enabling our fabulous wineries in and around the Wairarapa in and around Gisborne Central Otago Martinborough Marlborough—Hon Member: Mid-Canterbury.CAMERON BREWER: —mid-Canterbury and even in the north-west of Auckland to actually be able to recover some of their costs keep their doors open and to continue with that organic experience. We think through many years of forensic work and looking at this legislation that Mr Stuart has done and the select committee has also done in the recent weeks and months that we've arrived at a very good place where it's workable the industry is happy the public can be happy and the Parliament should be very proud.ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Teanau Tuiono): The member's time has expired."