Luxton JoJO LUXTON (Labour): Thank you Madam Chair Williams. I'm pleased to have the opportunity to speak on this bill in the committee of the whole House stage. As we know it's about strengthening the accountability of the tertiary education sector etc. etc. A lot of my colleagues on this side of the House have talked about the fact that our public institutions are of extremely high calibre and as I've said I think we all agree on that. But I particularly would like to speak about Part 2 and clause 36 and I do have some questions for the Minister about this but I will come to that soon. So as we know we've had over 2000 submissions with regard to this bill so I think it's fair to say that it is of high public interest—well reasonable public interest—with that many submissions and I think that's really good to see that people are contributing in that way. I want to particularly refer to the amendments to section 253C in clause 36 where we've changed the heading and replaced it to say that the Minister may consent to use of certain terms in name or description of registered establishment or wananga". So further down from that we have replacement subsection 2 and new subsection 2A which allows for registered establishments and wānanga to ask the Minister to consent for them to apply to describe themselves as a university a polytechnic or an institute of technology. So there were quite a few submissions opposing this based on concerns about reputation risk. As we know our universities and public institutions are ranked among the top 500 in the world. Rightly so there were some concerns about this but I think that with the changes to subsection 5 where the conditions have been put in place—and I note particularly replacement subsection 5(b) and (c): to "(b) ensure adequate protection of the quality and reputation of the institutions that may use the term without applying to do so; and (c) protect the interests of the tertiary education system and the nation as a whole." So I think these changes in clause 36 strike an appropriate balance between protecting the integrity of New Zealand's university system while giving the Minister discretion to allow wānanga to use the term "university". The other side of the argument here was that some wānanga feel that not being able to describe themselves using the term "university" has hampered their ability to market themselves as a credible option for students particularly from overseas as a viable study option so I have some questions around that. Specifically I want to know from the Minister what specific characteristics or what criteria the Minister would take into account before deciding to give wānanga and registered institutions the ability to use the description of "university" or such things as that.The other thing that I would like to highlight on the argument side of wānanga wanting to use the term "university" as a description for themselves is that often their courses and programmes meet the required standards of the New Zealand Qualifications Authority and they are held to the same level of performance as universities so it's kind of only fair that they should be able to apply for consent to describe themselves as one of the options that I've already mentioned previously.I also have another question for the Minister with reference to Supplementary Order Paper 15 which states that "in the case of a wānanga consult with such persons or bodies who are knowledgable in āhuatanga Māori … and tikanga Māori … within a kaupapa Māori pedagogy as the Minister considers appropriate." So what I'd like to know is whom or which persons or bodies the Minister would consider to be appropriate.One last thing I have another question with regard to new section 253C(5A) inserted by section 36 which states "The Minister may at any time carry out a review of a registered establishment or wananga …" and I want to know under what situation or circumstances he would review."