Twyford Phil: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Twyford Phil: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
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8. 
PHIL TWYFORD (Labour) 
 to the  
Minister of Transport 
: Does he endorse the transport elements of the draft Auckland Plan; if not why not? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE (Minister of Transport) 
: 
 It is not appropriate for me to endorse or otherwise any aspect of the draft Auckland plan at this time. The Auckland Spatial Plan is the Auckland Council’s plan and the council will be consulting the community on it. The Government strongly endorses the process but its role is to provide input not to formally endorse it. With regard to transport elements the Government will continue to consider individual projects on their merits if the Government or its agencies are called on to provide funding assistance. In this context it is important to remember that central government is currently contributing over $1 billion a year towards Auckland’s transport needs. 
Phil Twyford 
: Can he confirm the  
New Zealand 
Herald’s 
 report that he and Ministers Hide Smith and Heatley at their 26 August meeting with the Auckland mayor and Auckland Council could not stop browbeating the councillors over the draft plan’s commitment to urban intensification in a way that was “intimidating and small town”? 
Hon Tony Ryall 
: What’s wrong with small towns? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE 
: Yes I do not know that we should be picking on small towns. I point out that that was a view of a prominent left-wing politician from Auckland who might have a slight conflict of interest and it was reported by a prominent left-wing columnist from Auckland who might also have a certain interest in this matter: a certain Mr B Rudman. 
Phil Twyford 
: Does he accept that the alternative to a compact city supported by a modern public transport system is an Auckland that sprawls endlessly and a traffic jam from the harbour bridge to Whangarei? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE 
: I do not know that I would want to make too many comments on the Auckland plan at this point but I would say that we on this side of the House believe strongly in people having the right to determine where they live and the way in which they want to live. We think it is an important principle provided of course that they meet the cost of those decisions. I think that is an important point to make. I understand that Mr Twyford might have a strong view that everybody should live on top of each other but others might disagree. 
Jacinda Ardern 
: Is the city rail link his No. 1 transport priority for Auckland? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE 
: No it is not actually. The current priorities for Auckland are many and varied. They include the Waterview project which the Government is building currently the Victoria Park Tunnel project the electrification of the rail in Auckland the Newmarket Viaduct and a number of other very important investments in Auckland. Currently the central business district rail link has a benefit-cost ratio of about 0.3 and I think that we can all say that it probably needs to have an improvement in that before any responsible Government would seek to invest in it. 
Phil Twyford 
: Why did his Government go to the trouble of creating a unified Auckland when it is very clear that the Government is determined to undermine and block Auckland Council’s plan for a world-class transport system and a compact city? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE 
: The member is simply incorrect. It is an important project for a unified Auckland. I think it is a very important project and Auckland Council is currently consulting on its new spatial plan which is a very important part of the unified Auckland process. I think it is great that it is doing so and that people are getting the opportunity to comment. I note that the member is assisting in that matter as well. In fact I understand that he had a public meeting on Monday night and that up to maybe eight people turned up. On that current progress if he was to hold more public meetings he could possibly cover the whole of Auckland—once he has got to 162500 public meetings—and be able to consult on the future of the Auckland plan. 
Jacinda Ardern 
: What is his advice to Government members who have claimed that the city rail link is this Government’s No. 1 transport priority in Auckland? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE 
: My advice to the Government members would be to attract more people to their public meetings than the eight that Mr Twyford was able to attract.