Webb Duncan; Goldsmith Paul; O'Connor GregHon Dr DUNCAN WEBB (Labour—Christchurch Central): Thank you Mr Chair. Look What can we do about that?" So there you go. This is not an isolated problem right? [Holds up a photograph] So that's a gravestone; that one has a Mongrel Mob emblem on it. I'm aware that many civic graveyards now have rules in place which don't allow gang emblems on gravestones. But a quick search shows up numerous gravestones with gang insignia on them. Now the occupier of graveyards is usually a local body. So this flies right in the face of this bill right? This is the dog's breakfast that we've got here right? That they're rushing through this restriction on free speech they've done it in a kind of all-encompassing way with a few carve-outs rather than saying "We're addressing gang patches which are used to intimidate"—which was one proposal—they're actually—[Interruption] No you're not supposed to take photos in the Chamber. Your whip should know that.Now the problem here is that they've taken this approach which is just ban them all everywhere and you end up with situations like this where you've got—I mean don't get me wrong I think it's a very poor form to have a gravestone like that but they're out there and we've now got to address what we're going to do about it. You'll see that I do have a tabled amendment marked "R" which was put in earlier in the last session last week which would exclude a permanent memorial grave mark or headstone erected prior to the assent of this bill.So obviously you don't want to look forward and commit these things into the future I get that right? But the challenge is that you've got these headstones out there and on the bill as it was presented to this committee it would either criminalise local bodies or it would require kind of the painting over—essentially the desecration—of the headstones. Now neither of those are good and it's just reflective of the fact that this is poorly thought-out. Not only is it poorly thought-out in the detail—"We didn't think about headstones." I get that; it's always going to happen—but it's poorly thought-out conceptually because we're banning all gang insignia regardless of purpose regardless of whether they're used in a particular way regardless of whether they intimidate or not. Whereas if you had either an intention—you're intending to be intimidatory—or it has the effect of intimidating then none of this would be here. The gravestone doesn't intimidate anyone. It would be consistent with the purposes of the bill but you've got a mismatch here that's leading to this.So you will seen my tabled amendment. It may be that the Minister because he's got the resources of the entire State behind him has tidied up my drafting on this has got something more to say about. It's hard to believe but it's possible that he could improve on my drafting. Have you done that Minister? Would you like to speak to that?Hon PAUL GOLDSMITH (Minister of Justice): Well in the spirit of bipartisanship we have looked at the tabled amendment put forward and decided that there is some merit in what the member has to say. So I have put in an Amendment Paper under my name which achieves half of what he set out to achieve which is to say including "a headstone or grave marker erected before the commencement of this Act" so as to achieve part of the purpose. So I think that's a useful suggestion that the member made.As regards to his broader comments about philosophical matters I don't have anything more to say.CHAIRPERSON (Greg O'Connor): Just before I take the next speaker Ms Redmayne if you did take a photograph in the Chamber obvious enough to be seen across the Chamber as a whip you should know better. So you will delete that photo I take it? We do need to maintain some decorum in the Chamber as the Speaker said today."