Edmonds Barbara; Chhour KarenHon BARBARA EDMONDS (Labour—Mana): Thank you Mr Chair. I appreciate that this is quite a sensitive topic. Just as the Minister for Children was speaking today I got a message that another women's centre in my area of Porirua is being potentially closed; I'm going to get a bit more information. As part of that I am working with that particular centre to transition their clients who are very vulnerable women and children who have built trust and a relationship of confidence with the centre over a number of years; I am now having to scramble to help other service providers in our area now cover the loss of this particular centre.So what I want to ask the Minister is—because I understand through both questions and also the response that was given from the Minister of Finance that contracts can be changed—will she release a list of all the contracts that have been cut back or contracts that have been changed? The Minister doesn't have to say how much has been cut. Then it makes it easier for local MPs who have electorates who have services that have now been cut to know what service providers are still available so that we can divert clients to those other service providers.The other question that I have is in relation to the 70 percent that these service providers will only be funded those who have been successful or have been reviewed. Of that 70 percent how much will the Minister or the ministry be flexible to allow for demand levels that will be increasing as a result of for example the example that I've just used today which I've only just got in the last hour around another women's centre closing in the area of Porirua—how will they be flexible enough that if demand is increasing because of other service providers closing will they be flexible around that 70 percent because do you know what? I bet those service providers because of the history of it will continue to operate at 100 percent or potentially 120 percent because they've had an increase in clients. Will there be flexibility around that 70 percent threshold for these service providers?Hon KAREN CHHOUR (Minister for Children): Speaking to the contracts and the proposals around contract changes Oranga Tamariki's saving plan has been focused on more effective contract management processes addressing underutilisation addressing need and reducing duplication. Also contracts are still under negotiation and are still under way. So once there is a final list and we have closed off all those negotiations then there will be the ability to share that information. But right now we're still going through that negotiation process.But what I can say is that when it comes to local MPs worried about young people who may need to be transitioned to another service Oranga Tamariki as part of the process when working through the contracts and what new contracts look like will be working alongside these agencies during that to help them with that transition process and make sure that that care is not interrupted for whoever that is.Hon Member: When are we getting the list?Hon KAREN CHHOUR: So once the negotiations are completed—so negotiations and contracts are still under way just to answer that question. Just to be clear: I cannot announce things that haven't been completed yet. So once the negotiations are completed then we will be able to produce a list.What I can say is that 50 services with 35 providers ended naturally as intended on 30 June 2024. The contract funding for those ones were one-off and they match what we've done in the past when we have contracts ending naturally. The proposal is that 269 services with 142 providers are being reduced to align with service levels based around forecasted utilisation and need; 337 services with 190 providers are being discontinued due to a change in prioritised need underperformance or underutilisation in previous years; and 1470 services' with 451 providers contracts are already completed with no change or they're being re-contracted with the same level of service from the 2025 financial year. Now Oranga Tamariki is in the process of procuring at least another 50 new services going forward which will align with the core purpose of Oranga Tamariki because that was one of the expectations that I set for the agency. When we are making decisions and when we are taking a real good stocktake of where we are at we know that what we have been doing has not been working. We have had reports after reports saying that Oranga Tamariki is failing in their core purpose and that is in the care and protection of young people. Young people are still at risk of harm in care. Oranga Tamariki were not meeting the national care standards appropriately for our young people year after year after year and nothing seems to have improved dramatically over the years. So it is important that we take a stocktake and we say what we have been doing hasn't necessarily been working. It might have been holding off the floodgates but it actually hasn't made any progress in making our young people safer. Oranga Tamariki's purpose is care and protection of our children and that's what they need to be getting right. The Independent Children's Monitor cannot come back year after year and say You're not meeting the needs of the children in your care or the children coming to your attention and we are not doing anything about the way we're prioritising the funding in that space.""