General DebateText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeGeneral Debate[Sitting date: 05 November 2014. Volume:701;Page:651. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Terrorism is something where there is normally a public display that is there for large audiences. It is now put on YouTube and it is used to create a sense of fear amongst as many people as possible. It is actually after this announcement that we as a country need to react to that and the best way for us to do that is not to go immigrant-bashing and not to revert to religious bigotry but to remember that terrorism comes in all forms and at the moment there is this one called Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant. It is one that is absolutely dedicated to the most extreme acts of violence against people such as aid workers and truckdrivers who give up their jobs to go to help deliver food in places like Syria. That is the level of the people who are having those people’s heads cut off with knives videoing it and then distributing the images around the world. Those are the sorts of people whom we are talking about.So today when I heard the Green Party’s contribution from Metiria Turei I like many other people in this House wondered what planet she was on. I thought: “A family group conference isn’t going to help this one.” Appeasement never really does when you are dealing with people who do not want to have a solution. But I did agree with her on a couple of points. The first is the right to free speech. It is not one that I have always seen the Greens exercise in practice but I certainly agreed with her right to say whatever she wanted to say today. But the other thing that I did agree with her on—and I think it is really important—is that brute force alone does not solve this problem. Also however I think it is very foolish to think that this is just an isolated group of disenchanted people who want to be made important. I think about someone like the late—thankfully—Osama bin Laden. He was hardly a disenfranchised poor person from Saudi Arabia but the son of a multibillionaire. These are the sorts of people who have funded terrorism and they still do now and there are Governments I am sure that are involved in that.It is really important though that we look at these changes that the Prime Minister has discussed today and that we consider them carefully. I thought the Labour Party under Annette King’s leadership had a very sensible response. I would not suggest for a moment—because I quite like her—that she should put her hand forward to be the next leader of the Labour Party but I do think it was a very reasonable and sensible response and certainly significantly better than the response when the Search and Surveillance Bill came through when the only parties that did vote for it were National ACT and United Future. But of course all that is forgotten now except by me.I think it is really important though that we think about the fact that when we have got 30 to 40 people as we were told by the Prime Minister who are of real concern to the New Zealand SIS and that there are 30 to 40 other people whom it needs to check it is actually a significant number for a country like us. I would also say to those who want to spend today attacking immigrants that most of these people I suggest are not necessarily immigrants. There are quite a lot of home-grown people involved in this and I think many of us will have seen those who have been publicised—people who have decided to convert to a religion in its most extreme form as an excuse for extreme violence. That is actually what you are dealing with—not necessarily people who are religious but people who are violent and who want an excuse to be able to perpetrate that violence with impunity. Those are the people whom I think we should be very concerned about—never frightened but concerned. We heard today about Canada and about its Parliament being so closely aligned to ours. I mean what terrible act was the poor soldier guarding the war memorial doing when he was gunned down and killed—murdered? That is what we are dealing with.