SpeechJAN LOGIE (Green): Oh sorry Minister. Thank you Mr Chair. I feel like I've been elevated suddenly. But thank you for this opportunity. I did want to speak a bit more on some of the specifics in my Supplementary Order Paper (SOP) 214 and to get the Minister's response around the particular points. From the position of the Green Party we don't think that this bill can be fixed in terms of meeting our Tiriti obligations or giving public confidence because of the process that's been followed as well as the lack of independence from the State in terms of the monitoring. But we have put a lot of effort into trying to work out how we could actually strengthen this bill to help us meet the recommendations of the Waitangi Tribunal. So in our SOP 211 we've put forward the suggestion that when developing monitoring priorities work programme and monitoring approaches the monitor must ensure that they've got the key priority—the need to support improved outcomes for children young people particular attention to the need to support improved outcomes for Māori children young people. We've added and their whānau" and to uphold the rights of Māori to tino rangatiratanga over kāinga as guaranteed by Te Tiriti o Waitangi the Treaty of Waitangi. This is about trying to get the Crown to be acknowledging the Hauroa report and those recommendations of the fact that Māori do have tino rangatiratanga over kāinga. So therefore any child protection system - related legislation really should embed that because we have not acknowledged that. I know that there's a view that this is a constitutional issue and therefore the Government can't go ahead on this. Actually it's about our understanding of Te Tiriti o Waitangi and how we embed that in legislation. It needs to be done legislation by legislation consistent with those rulings the Greens would argue. I really want to on that point call back to some of the submissions that came through from the Hon Dame Tariana Turia Dame Areta Koopu Dame Iritana Tāwhiwhirangi Merepeka Raukawa-Tait and Lady Tureiti Moxon where they were saying this bill creates new oversight and considers problems and complaints after they've occurred. It's tweaking it's talking about maintaining a system and nothing in this bill gives mana rangatiratanga and it relegates Māori to provider level. This amendment would help shift that deeply problematic—and we know hugely harmful historically—dynamic. We also had that view confirmed by Waikato-Tainui who had been consulted on this legislation even though they said that actually the consultation did not engage in the content that's in this legislation. But they said that this bill adds more cost and more administration and more State incursion into the role of iwi—because it increases monitoring of iwi activities as we devolve power—and that is really problematic. We heard that very clearly from the Māori Women's Welfare League as well as other submitters. So this is our attempt to address those concerns that came up in the Social Services and Community Committee as well as the Waitangi Tribunal's ruling. Another of the amendments in our SOP is to also put that in for the duty of the Ombudsman—in relation to complaints and investigation—to require them to incorporate tikanga Māori approaches for their complaints and investigation processes including the need to have regard to Te Tiriti o Waitangi the Treaty of Waitangi and the tikanga of whānau whakapapa and whanaungatanga. So I really—I really—just can't understand why our legislation can't reflect our fundamental constitutional relationship and acknowledge that right of tino rangatiratanga over kāinga."