Simmonds PennyPENNY SIMMONDS (National—Invercargill): Thank you Mr Chair. I refer to Part 1 clause 3 Purpose" and subclause (1) of that: "The purpose of this Act is to enable long-term sustainable improvements in the safety quality resilience accessibility affordability efficiency and performance of (a) water services; and (b) water services infrastructure." I'm very keen for the Minister to outline in absolute detail with evidence and research just how that enabling of much-improved affordability accessibility efficiency and performance is going to occur.If I refer back this Water Services Entities Bill colloquially known as three waters—and in fact now "five waters"—is the second in a series of this Government's centralisation ideology; the first of course being the combining of the vocational education sector. There are many similarities here and I'm very keen that the same mistakes are not repeated. We and the tertiary education sector were told by Minister Hipkins that the centralisation would bring about improvements in quality and accessibility and affordability and efficiencies and performance and the sector in many ways feel they have been quite misled over that because of course the reforms have failed spectacularly. There are many similarities in the lead-up process of this centralisation so the majority of submitters on this bill were opposed to the bill. It was the same with the combining of the polytech sector—CHAIRPERSON (Greg O'Connor): We've had a good two minutes of general stuff. The bill please or the part of the bill in particular.PENNY SIMMONDS: Thank you Mr Chair. So I suppose what I'm wanting to make sure is that mistakes are learnt from that so that Minister Mahuta who I feel much more charitably towards doesn't find herself in the same mess that Minister Hipkins has found himself in. Also that the due diligence process can be—and perhaps it was explained more in the select committee process but I know there will be a lot of members of the public watching this who will want to know that a due diligence process has been worked through seriously and—CHAIRPERSON (Greg O'Connor): On Part 1 please.PENNY SIMMONDS: Sorry Mr Chair I'm talking about the due diligence process for Part 1: the purpose and enabling the accessibility affordability efficiency to be improved. So what I'm asking is for the Minister to give us very clearly the evidence and the research that shows that this bill will improve the long-term sustainability of all those matters stated in the purpose clause 3(1)—the improvements in safety quality resilience accessibility affordability efficiency and performance—because it's very easy to say those things. My reflection was that those same sort of things were said in the lead up to the centralisation of the polytechs but in fact when we go back now in hindsight looking at the due diligence of that process it was deficient and those promises were actually misleading. Those things have not occurred.This of course is a much bigger concept a much costlier concept and so I believe that the general public have a very vested interest in knowing what the research what the evidence has been. I've heard the same things from my local authority that the financial modelling has been fundamentally flawed in this just as it was in the centralisation of polytechs. So is that the basis of what is being relied on? I believe the public and this House deserve to be told that."