Kuriger BarbaraBARBARA KURIGER (National—Taranaki - King Country): Thank you Madam Chair Williams. It's a pleasure to take a call on the title and commencement and I like the last speaker Chris Bishop think the title and commencement of this particular bill are completely the wrong way round because it talks about the Families Package (Income Tax and Benefits) Bill and what this bill has actually done is it has taken income off those people who have gone out there and hard-earned—every day they go to work they come home and it actually gives them their wages in one pocket and it takes it out of the other pocket.The benefits in this bill—that's an intriguing one because what it's done here is it's actually given the benefits largely to the wrong people. So it's given $60 a week to those people with young families—and that's fine if you're going to target it and you're going to give it to those families that need it. But actually we've heard a few times today about spray and walk away" and this may well be the "Spray and Walk Away Bill" because you're going to spread it around and you're going to ask people with the energy package to give it back if they don't want it. So you're just going to spray it around walk away and hope that people are going to come along go through the red tape that the red party puts in place and give it back. Actually it's not targeted at all; it's just all over the place.What disappoints me if we look at the objectives in here is it talks about this bill providing targeted social assistance. Now I've heard Grant Robertson say that it's not all about the dollars and cents; it's actually about what we can do for families. So Minister Robertson what I would like to say to you is that this package alone is not going to do what you think it's going to do in terms of getting 88000 children out of poverty because unless you do the other targeted social things that go with the money you're not going to achieve the result. So what it says here is it's part of the Government's focus on ensuring children get the best start in life and complements other legislation.You've made a bill here that is so tight that every time we've tried to link it to something else you've broken that chain. Ministers have sat in the chair today and they've talked about being able to link the data. So we asked a lot of questions about the energy package—people going overseas. They can go overseas for a period of time; if they do they have to pay it back.We're actually told that the Government departments are linked up. That's really funny because every time we talk about linking up Government departments and using data for social investment or for any other sort of social assistance we get pushed back and we get told by members of this Government particularly the Green Party over there that it breaches privacy. So this is not targeted social assistance and neither is it social assistance it's actually taking money off those people that earn it—Duncan Webb I think we had the conversation last night about the fact that it's hard-working truck drivers it's plumbers it's electricians and it's all those people out in the workforce. You put together housing targets you put in roading targets and you put a whole lot of things so then what you're doing is you're going and penalising the people that are doing all those projects for you by taking those tax cuts out of their pockets.The CHAIRPERSON (Poto Williams): Excuse me not for me.BARBARA KURIGER: Sorry. Sorry Madam Chair. The other question I'd like to ask is: why are we repealing the tax cuts that were aligned to come in on 1 April and a lot of these benefits are starting on 1 July? Can I suggest that maybe that's got something to do with the fact that we're just trying to squeeze a little bit more money out here. If the Government was really serious and the Minister was really serious about this then the Minister would actually put these so-called benefits—and we can disagree on what we call the benefits—in place on 1 April 2018 so that that could fill in. He's just trying to create a gap so he can make his own Budget balance. So he's leaving 90 days where they don't have to pay anything buying themselves a gap.The other thing that's become very clear by turning down Louise Upston's amendment just before is that this Government is very reluctant to measure and manage the things that they're putting in place. Thank you."