Mooney Joseph; Henare PeeniJOSEPH MOONEY (National—Southland): Thank you very much Madam Chair. Thank you for this opportunity to ask the Minister of Tourism some questions about this bill. So Minister the issue was raised previously and again in the first reading that the requirement to have a fixed toilet will effectively punish the 70000 responsible Kiwis who have suitable portable toilets in their vehicles and use them leading to the somewhat odd situation of a camper with a fixed toilet who doesn't use it not breaking the law but a camper who has a non-fixed toilet and uses it will be fined.I have had a look through Supplementary Order Paper 351 and I cannot see anything that addresses that issue. I wonder why that has not been addressed by the Minister because I cannot see a rational reason for punishing 70000 responsible Kiwis who have suitable portable toilets and use them. Obviously we want to focus on those who don't use them and stop them from littering our roadsides or laybys etc. But I can't see any good reason for punishing 70000 Kiwis who do use their portable toilets.Just a corollary to that I wonder whether the Minister has taken any advice on how many travellers are expected for the FIFA Women's World Cup coming up on 20 July to 20 August jointly hosted by Australia and New Zealand. I note that last time we had a major event in New Zealand we did have some changes around these laws to reflect the fact that we had probably a lot more travellers and visitors to our country which is a great thing I would suggest and I'm sure the Minister would agree with that and we want them to have a great experience here in New Zealand.There is a third point which I might just touch on here just looking at this Supplementary Order Paper. I see the intention not to penalise people who are freedom camping because they cannot find appropriate residential accommodation. The way this definition is phrased it says a person is not freedom camping if the person—(a) is a person other than a person who is in New Zealand on the basis of a visitor visa (within the meaning of the immigration instructions)". Is this intended to apply only to New Zealand residents and citizens who are unable to find appropriate residential accommodation or does it include people who are on working visas in New Zealand who are unable to find appropriate residential accommodation?Hon PEENI HENARE (Minister of Tourism): Can I thank the member for his questions and I'll start with the final question. The reason why we've made it rather specific—and that member will know that for example in places like Queenstown in his own electorate there are many on working visas—is that it was considered that the bill in its old state would continue to punish those people who are struggling to find accommodation and we want to make sure that this bill clearly is designed along with its policy intent to make sure that it does not discriminate against or penalise those who for one reason or other or multiple reasons—and they're often complex reasons as many of the MPs in this Chamber will know as they work with those who find themselves homeless—find themselves in the situations that they find themselves in. It also of course makes it clearer to the council because it's a requirement of the council to make sure that they're able to administer this particular bill this particular legislation so the impetus is put on them and there's also an area there for discretion for them so that they are able to make sure that once again those who do find themselves homeless for whatever reason aren't penalised unnecessarily.To the second part with respect to the member's comments about FIFA yes I'm sure the entire country is looking forward to welcoming visitors here to this country. Of course the encouragement from all of us is to get around and to get to as many games as possible but just to make sure that our visitors have a good visit here to New Zealand. While the focus is on the games we know many of them are going to travel around the country. We know that they're going to visit key places and significant sites around the country. This in particular is intended to make sure that we can have a regime that will continue to support the way that visitors come into this country. But I will note though—and the member will know this—that once the legislation is passed there will be a regime afterwards to make sure that those who do actually responsibly have self-contained vehicles will be able to go through the registration process in order to be able to use their vehicle and go travel the country as they see fit.So that brings me to the first question that the member asked. He quoted a number of numbers about those who were talking about using a portable toilet. Requiring a fixed toilet will continue to encourage increased usage and help reduce the improper disposal of waste. What we mean by that is: with a portable toilet it undermines a system and any place around the country it can be taken out and disposed of—that's as good as doing the act right there which is the kind of behaviour that we're trying to dispel. What I also want to say though is an acknowledgment to all of those who are embracing these changes who are making sure that their current vehicles that do have fixed toilets will come under the regime to be certified to make sure that they are the right vehicles to be going places but also an acknowledgment of those like the councils the Department of Conservation who acknowledge that camping in this country is still one of those things that our families and our young people and our travellers look forward to. So there are numerous sites hundreds of sites around the entire country where people can still go along still pitch a tent and still do it within the parameters of this particular piece of legislation. That's important to remind ourselves because as I said it's one of those almost rites of passage for Kiwi families in particular but also for visitors who come here who like to pitch a tent but we want to make sure that they do it in places that have the proper facilities.I'm going to retell a story. Just recently I went to Rotorua to speak on my other portfolio of forestry and on the way back I stopped at the many rest areas along the way that look over Lake Karapiro  which is a beautiful view if anybody's interested. I saw two fixed-toilet campervans there and got to speak to the people there. They didn't have a problem with what we were proposing. As I returned to my car I noticed human faeces and toilet paper at the rest stop. It's this kind of behaviour that I'm sure every Kiwi in the country will look to expelling out of what we see on our roads around our beautiful serene nature places around this country to make sure that not only as an international visitor but those domestic who decide to go and visit other parts of the country can do so without seeing the kind of human waste that I noticed on the side of the road at a rest stop at one of the most beautiful places in the country overlooking Lake Karapiro."