Bayly Andrew; Robertson Grant; Williams PotoANDREW BAYLY (National—Port Waikato): Yeah just a continuation of colleague Damien Smith's comments: so this a further amount of money. Just to understand the Minister of Finance's response to him is this—obviously we're setting aside this money but where is the money coming from? Can he assure that it's not going to be through additional debt but it's going to come from existing redirection of resources—maybe in some other fund—and if so can he give us any more clarification on that?Hon GRANT ROBERTSON (Minister of Finance): As I said the most likely source of the funding is in fact the National Resilience Plan which we talked about in this Budget—so that's some funding that has been set aside. What we have to do is create an authority to spend that on this. So that is where that funding is coming from. And specifically to answer the member's question arguably that's debt in the sense that it's part of a Budget in which there is debt but this is obviously an unforeseen expenditure that we didn't think when we were originally setting up the Budget we would have to do. As the member's well aware we managed to find around $4 billion worth of savings and reprioritisations for the Budget. That in turn created the National Resilience Plan. So you could also argue it that way round and say that it came from that. In the end it comes from the money we have set aside.ANDREW BAYLY (National—Port Waikato): Thank you Minister for that. Just to be clear in the addition which is the second part of the Supplementary Order Paper (SOP) because the first (a) was already in the legislation but you've—and when I say you" I'm saying the Minister of Finance through his SOP—added (b): "Addition to the Supplementary Estimates of Appropriations for the Government … for the Year Ending 30 June 2023". So the expenses identified here in this document—is this what we're covering off in this appropriation?Hon Grant Robertson: So that document? Sorry what are you waving?ANDREW BAYLY: Well there's an addition to the Supplementary Estimates here. In terms of understanding what the totality of the breakdown of what we're agreeing to in (b)—Hon Grant Robertson: Yeah OK. Yep yep.ANDREW BAYLY: Yeah can you—you know what I'm talking about?Hon GRANT ROBERTSON (Minister of Finance): I do. I thank the member. Sorry I couldn't see the document that the member was waving at me. So the change we're making updates Vote Finance so this change falls within Vote Finance. The money that's outlined here is separate to the additional $500 million that's being discussed in the SOP—that gets added into Vote Finance.ANDREW BAYLY (National—Port Waikato): So just continuing on that vein if I look at the Vote Finance changes so for instance there's "Payments and Expenses in Respect of Guarantees and Indemnities … $1.094 billion" this is on page—I don't know what page it's on. Anyway first of all is that being covered in this appropriation or not?Hon GRANT ROBERTSON (Minister of Finance): No no. The discussion in the committee stage is only about the SOP it's not actually about the rest of Vote Finance. The rest of Vote Finance has been through the normal process. We're simply updating the greater Vote Finance with this change. So "no" is the answer to the member's question but it's also not within the scope of the debate in my opinion.ANDREW BAYLY (National—Port Waikato): Well thank you for helping on defining the debate. So what is the scope of the changes that are here? But not in terms of legislative changes; in terms of the vote monetary amount.Hon GRANT ROBERTSON (Minister of Finance): Well that as outlined in Supplementary Order Paper (SOP) 366 is $500 million—that's it. The things the member is referring to are other matters contained within Vote Finance; they are not the subject of the SOP.CHAIRPERSON (Hon Poto Williams): The question is that the Minister's amendment to clause 5 set out on SOP 366 be agreed to.Amendment agreed to.Clause 5 as amended agreed to."