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Fitzsimons Jeanette: Transport Legislation Bill — First Reading 
Fitzsimons Jeanette: Transport Legislation Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:619;Page:14902] 
JEANETTE FITZSIMONS (Co-Leader—Green) 
: 
 Peace has broken out in the House and I find myself most unusually agreeing with what the two previous Ministers to speak have said which suggests to me that I should say rather little. There is of course quite a bit of detail to be sorted out at the Transport and Industrial Relations Committee and the Greens look forward to taking part in that proceeding but generally we see this bill as pretty non-controversial. 
The big things in transport have happened. With the new strategy and the new Land Transport Management Act we have set a new direction for transport. We have set new objectives goals and priorities. The main issue now is to make sure that that is carried through into implementation on the ground. I have to say there is always an element of “business as usual” after we change legislation in this way and there is a need to manage that. Therefore it is now important that we strengthen the capacity of the Ministry of Transport  which frankly does not have the resources it needs to do the job that is currently required of it; so we support that. 
Rationalising the way safety is delivered across modes and search and rescue is sensible. I alerted the Minister during the Review of the Centre to the fact that we did not support merging Transfund and Transit. We put a lot of effort in the last legislation into getting their respective roles right and we felt that should not be changed. I am glad that the Minister did not go in that direction either. I do not have strong feelings about the merger of Transfund and the Land Transport Safety Authority. It may work well it may turn out to have some problems but we do not have a strong view either way. We will just have to wait and see on that. 
Having said those few words I can say that we look forward to the debate at the select committee.
Benson-Pope David: Health Practitioners Competence Assurance Bill — In Committee 
Benson-Pope David: Health Practitioners Competence Assurance Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:611;Page:8165] 
DAVID BENSON-POPE (Senior Whip—NZ Labour) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Hughes Darren: Hazardous Substances and New Organisms (Approvals and Enforcement) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Hughes Darren: Hazardous Substances and New Organisms (Approvals and Enforcement) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:623;Page:18787] 
DARREN HUGHES (Junior Whip—Labour) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. According to Speaker’s ruling 60/1 once a vote has commenced it has to be completed. We have commenced voting on Marian Hobbs’ motion which has been amended. We are voting on the motion to refer the bill to a select committee and fact that it has been amended by Nick Smith in an attempt to try to delay the House from rising does not I think bear any relation to the matter. The Speaker’s ruling is quite clear. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I understand that we can complete the vote on the amendment but not the vote. So we can complete the closure but we cannot complete the vote. [ 
Interruption 
] I am sorry—we can complete the vote that we are on.
Cullen Michael: Sittings of the House 
Cullen Michael: Sittings of the House 
[Volume:620;Page:16163] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I seek leave for the House to meet on the ringing of the bell on Thursday 4 November. There is a lunch for an Italian parliamentary delegation. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Is there any objection to that course of action? There appears to be none.
Turei Metiria: Care of Children Bill — Instruction to Committee Procedure In Committee 
Turei Metiria: Care of Children Bill — Instruction to Committee Procedure In Committee 
[Volume:621;Page:16664] 
METIRIA TUREI (Green) 
: 
 I just want to complete the Green Party position on our amendment to Part 2 in the name of my colleague Sue Bradford. Menstruation is not a problem; it is a natural function of a female. The right of women to decide over reproduction and reproductive health is a fundamental human right. That fundamental human right belongs to all women regardless of whether they are disabled or not disabled. It has been a long hard-fought struggle by women all over the world to ensure that they do have control of decision making over their own reproduction. It is critical that in New Zealand law those hard-won human rights apply to all women and are not applied discriminatorily. 
 Sterilisation of young disabled women occurs for menstrual management not for medical reasons. Where there is no medical need for sterilisation it is critical that sterilisation does not occur. Disabled children are entitled to have the same access to health care as others have and have the right to live as others live. Disabled people must have the same right as other people to be parents. The fact is there is a lack of legal safeguard to ensure the well-being and protection of disabled girls. The fact is they are not protected from non-medical sterilisation. They are not protected by an official mandatory legal process that means they are able to be informed and be part of the decision making over their own reproductive health. 
The amendment that the Green Party has put forward will ensure that a young woman who through age or impairment is not able to give informed consent is provided with a legal pathway of protection to ensure that she is not sterilised for non-medical reasons. We urge the Committee to support this amendment on this very critical issue.
Vote: Consumer Protection (Definitions of Goods and Services) Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Consumer Protection (Definitions of Goods and Services) Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:609;Page:6907] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 48 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8. 
Noes 67 
Labour 52; Green Party 7; United Future 8. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Tony Ryall to clause 13 be agreed to: 
to insert in paragraph (c) of section 2(1) in the definition of  
goods 
 after the word “doubt” the words “a licence to use”.
Cullen Michael: Points of Order — Standing Order 38—Minister Not Present Parliament Buildings—Media Access Standing Order 38—Minister Not Present  
Cullen Michael: Points of Order — Standing Order 38—Minister Not Present Parliament Buildings—Media Access Standing Order 38—Minister Not Present  
[Volume:624;Page:19686] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. There is an important point here about the leave. The member referred to the Government not allowing the time. It is in Parliament’s hands once urgency is moved as to how long the business takes not the Government’s hands. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: Leave was sought to put that matter—it shall be put first. Is there any objection? There is.
Vote: Ngati Tama Claims Settlement Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Vote: Ngati Tama Claims Settlement Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:613;Page:10181] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 8 
ACT New Zealand 8. 
Noes 108 
New Zealand Labour 52; New Zealand National 25; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Heather Roy be agreed to: 
to insert the following new clause: 
6A 
Notwithstanding the acknowledgements referred to in section 6 the Crown now records that the references in those acknowledgements to “the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi” were incorrect in that there were no such principles in the Treaty and the words have no settled meaning capable of proper implementation by statute and accordingly this Act shall be read as if all references to the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi in the Preamble were omitted and where necessary the words instead referred simply to “the Treaty of Waitangi”.
Speaker’s Rulings — Supplementary Questions 
Speaker’s Rulings — Supplementary Questions 
[Volume:608;Page:5242] 
Speaker’s Rulings 
Supplementary Questions 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Before the Easter adjournment I was asked to give consideration as to whether extra supplementary questions can be allowed in certain circumstances. The short answer is yes. Speaker’s ruling 128/4 contemplates that if a Speaker feels that a Minister is trifling with the Chair further supplementary questions can be permitted. I confirmed on 8 April that this ruling still applies. 
However I do not want members to misunderstand this. The Speaker does not judge whether ministerial replies are adequate or make political judgments on how well Ministers have responded in the House or indeed how well other members are performing. Those are matters for members themselves for the press and for the public generally. There is nothing new about members being dissatisfied with Ministers’ replies and appealing to the Speaker about them can be seen by Speakers’ rulings in the book going back at least to 1892. That was before I became a member. All a Speaker can do is to ensure that Ministers are relevant—that is they address the question. In addition Speaker’s ruling 128/4 makes clear that if a Minister answers facetiously the Speaker has a discretion to penalise the Minister by permitting further questions.
Hughes Darren: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Hughes Darren: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:610;Page:7906] 
6.  
DARREN HUGHES (NZ Labour—Otaki) 
 to the  
Minister responsible for the National Library 
: What role is the National Library playing to support public libraries throughout New Zealand? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
 on behalf of the  
Minister responsible for the National Library 
: The National Library has sponsored a project for a New Zealand - wide multi-sector consortium purchasing online resources to reduce the cost to individual libraries and to broaden access to those products. The consortium represents an opportunity to provide access to electronic resources that sectors such as schools and smaller public libraries would not otherwise have. 
Darren Hughes 
: What else does the National Library do to promote New Zealand books? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN 
: It does a very great deal but unfortunately not always successfully. Recently an author turned up for a book-signing in Levin but was the only one to do so. Our hearts go out to the Hon Richard Prebble in those distressing circumstances.
Vote: Third Readings 
Vote: Third Readings 
[Volume:607;Page:4344] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Taxation (Maori Organisations Taxpayer Compliance and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill be now read a third time. 
Ayes 71 
Labour 52; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 47 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 7. 
Bill read a third time.
Vote: Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims Bill — In Committee Procedure Third Reading 
Vote: Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims Bill — In Committee Procedure Third Reading 
[Volume:626;Page:20975] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 55 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 7; United Future 8. 
Noes 62 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Tony Ryall to clause 13(1) be agreed to: 
to omit from paragraph (a) the word “reasonable” and substitute the words “full and exhaustive”.
Vote: Criminal Records (Clean Slate) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Procedure 
Vote: Criminal Records (Clean Slate) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:617;Page:12573] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 63 
New Zealand Labour 52; Green Party 9; Progressive 2. 
Noes 55 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 7; United Future 8. 
Motion agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 191 in the name of the Hon Phil Goff to Part 1 be agreed to.
Robertson H V Ross: Fisheries Amendment Bill (No 3) — In Committee 
Robertson H V Ross: Fisheries Amendment Bill (No 3) — In Committee 
[Volume:619;Page:15200] 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I thank the honourable member and say to him that I am not intimated in any way by any member in the Committee. 
Hon KEN SHIRLEY 
: The issue of the extra-boundary migratory species is the real nonsense of this bill. While ACT may well support kahawai coming into the quota management system it cannot support the lunacy that this Government has brought to the legislation by suggesting that populations of fish up in Micronesia in the North Pacific off Madagascar or wherever somehow should be bound by New Zealand fisheries law which right from its commencement was always confined to management within our exclusive economic zone. That suggestion really invites ridicule—and I think that plenty of that has been associated with this bill. The reason why the Government was so eager to do that was its anxiousness to give 20 percent of that quota to Maori and it could only do so by bringing those fish into this system. There seems to be no other explanation. Why would one possibly do it? The Minister in the chair Mr Benson-Pope has certainly been unable to give a satisfactory explanation for that. 
The other aspect in this bill is the scampi issue. That has perhaps had the most sordid history of any species coming into the quota. We have had all sorts of— 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Scampi is not in the bill. 
Hon KEN SHIRLEY 
: Scampi is in the schedule Mr Chairman. We would certainly like to see scampi in the quota management system. It has had a very sordid history thus far.
Vote: Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims Bill — In Committee Procedure Third Reading 
Vote: Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims Bill — In Committee Procedure Third Reading 
[Volume:626;Page:20982] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 55 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 7; United Future 8. 
Noes 62 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Marc Alexander to clause 17(3) be agreed to: 
to omit paragraph (c).
Power Simon: New Zealand Superannuation and retirement income Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
Power Simon: New Zealand Superannuation and retirement income Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
[Volume:625;Page:20088] 
SIMON POWER (National—Rangitikei) 
: 
 Tempted as I am to fill the 10-minute slot provided at this point I will just re-emphasise the points made by my colleagues during the second reading and Committee stages. The National Party will support the third reading of the New Zealand Superannuation and Retirement Income Amendment Bill and I reiterate the main point that was made by our party during the passage of this legislation—that is although the bill removes the requirement for 6-yearly periodic reports it inserts a requirement for 3-yearly reports and that is something we as a party found to be satisfactory. Initially we were concerned that mandatory reporting had been removed altogether but the Social Services Committee saw fit to include a 3-yearly mandatory reporting phase. On that basis together with the other elements of the bill that the Associate Minister has so eloquently described this evening the National Party will support this bill through its third reading.
Peters Winston: Fisheries Amendment Bill (No 3) — In Committee 
Peters Winston: Fisheries Amendment Bill (No 3) — In Committee 
[Volume:619;Page:15203] 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. The senior Government whip is mistaken. I seek leave on behalf of one more member—namely myself—to have one more call. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: The member has sought leave for one more speech and that is from the member concerned from New Zealand First. In keeping with proportionality that is not unacceptable but it is not my call. Is there any objection to that course of action being taken? There is objection.
Hunt Jonathan: Obituaries — Wayne Allan Kimber 
Hunt Jonathan: Obituaries — Wayne Allan Kimber 
[Volume:617;Page:13215] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I regret to inform the House of the death on 22 May 2004 of Wayne Allan Kimber who represented the electorate of Gisborne from 1990 to 1993. I desire on behalf of this House to express our sense of the loss we have sustained and our sympathy with the relatives of the late former member. 
Honourable members stood as a mark of respect.
Cullen Michael: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Procedure Referral to Health Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled  Speaker Recalled In Committee Procedure 
Cullen Michael: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Procedure Referral to Health Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled  Speaker Recalled In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:613;Page:10005] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. The point the member was making was a different one. It is an interesting point but it is drawing an extraordinarily long bow and one that is likely to remove his own kneecap when he starts to think about it as it comes back again. Standing Order 51 states that once we have begun the process of voting whether the closure motion or subsequently we have to continue until the main vote is decided. 
Hon David Carter 
: No. 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN 
: Yes. The interruption of business is deferred until the question—in the case of the closure the main question—is determined. The reason it says that is because all amendments have to be put before the main question is determined. After the closure vote is determined—if the Committee agrees on the vote for closure—then the amendments are put then the main vote is put and once the main vote is put the Committee is adjourned the Chair of the Committee reports progress and the Speaker declares the House adjourned until tomorrow. [ 
Interruption 
] We cannot have two members standing at once. Mr Worth should sit down. I have the floor. So Mr Chairperson the facts of this case are very simple. If the member had been here slightly longer he would know that this procedure has been followed many many times where a closure motion is put before a normal time for business to be interrupted—whether that be 6 o’clock or 10 o’clock at night or indeed 1 o’clock when the House is under urgency. Voting then proceeds; it proceeds through to the amendments before the Committee of the whole House at that point then on to the main vote. At that point business is interrupted as normally provided for in the Standing Orders.
Turner Judy: Civil Union Bill — In Committee Procedure 
Turner Judy: Civil Union Bill — In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:622;Page:17610] 
JUDY TURNER (United Future) 
: 
 As I rise tonight to make what will probably be my last contribution on this bill I want to take the time to thank the literally hundreds and hundreds of New Zealanders who have been concerned enough about this issue on both sides of the argument to take the time to send me their opinions on this matter. I noticed earlier in the debate that Mr Barnett took great delight in reading out some of the more extreme and negative sides to the argument that I have been taking. I guess I too could have played that game if I had wanted to. I also have received from those supporting the bill some rather appalling emails that I am sure even he would be ashamed of. I will not disgrace the Committee by reading excerpts from them. However I do want to take time to honour the people who have written to me and who do not get the chance to vote on this legislation that has been given to us.
Vote: Land Transport Management Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Vote: Land Transport Management Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:613;Page:9677] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 54 
New Zealand National 25; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 8. 
Noes 61 
New Zealand Labour 52; Green Party 9. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Roger Sowry to clause 3 be agreed to: 
to insert after subclause (2)(a) the following new paragraph: 
(aa)improves economic efficiency in land transport funding planning and management; and.
Robertson H V Ross: Local Government (Auckland) Amendment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Robertson H V Ross: Local Government (Auckland) Amendment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:618;Page:14018] 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: The question now is that Part 2 clauses 6 to 36 stand part. This includes debate on schedules 1 2 3 4 and 4A.
Duncan Helen: Public Finance (State Sector Management) Bill — In Committee 
Duncan Helen: Public Finance (State Sector Management) Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:622;Page:17929] 
HELEN DUNCAN (Labour) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Vote: Mercenary Activities (Prohibition) Bill — In Committee Third Reading 
Vote: Mercenary Activities (Prohibition) Bill — In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:618;Page:14251] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 48 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8. 
Noes 70 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that Part 1 be agreed to.
Vote: Customs and Excise (Motor Spirits) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Vote: Customs and Excise (Motor Spirits) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:621;Page:16627] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the motion be agreed to. 
Ayes 70 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 49 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; Maori Party 1. 
Motion agreed to.
Turia Tariana: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Turia Tariana: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:621;Page:16714] 
12.  
TARIANA TURIA (Leader—Maori Party) 
 to the  
Prime Minister 
: What guarantees can she give to New Zealanders that the process proposed for a constitutional inquiry will be conducted with integrity? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Deputy Prime Minister) 
 on behalf of the 
 Prime Minister 
: Cabinet has not finalised decisions on this matter but I am sure that there will be every intention of guaranteeing that an integrity-based process is followed. 
Tariana Turia 
: How can New Zealanders have confidence that their views will be aired fully or will they be treated similarly to the submitters who were never heard or who were ignored at the Fisheries and Other Sea-related Legislation Committee? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN 
: That will be the responsibility of those conducting the inquiry. Of course if as has been foreshadowed by some people there is a select committee inquiry then those inquiries have to report within a particular time frame. 
Dail Jones 
: What guarantees can the Prime Minister give to New Zealanders that the constitutional inquiry will include New Zealand First’s policy of a binding citizens initiated referendum? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN 
: Cabinet has not made decisions. I think people are probably jumping to conclusions about what the framework of the proposal is likely to be. 
Tariana Turia 
: Given the Prime Minister’s relationship-rebuilding activities with the Ratana movement how will she guarantee the assurances given to it by Labour in the past that Labour will uphold the Treaty of Waitangi and what will the treaty’s status be in the proposed constitutional inquiry? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN 
: The Government is committed to upholding the Treaty of Waitangi. That does not mean to say that one has to agree with some of the more extreme interpretations of what the treaty means. 
Gerry Brownlee 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. You may remember that some months ago at a parliamentary lunch I made some rather complimentary remarks about you and you were kind enough to say that at a future time you may give me an extra question in the House. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Yes I did and because we have done well today I will allow the member to ask an extra question. 
Gerry Brownlee 
: Why is it the Government’s proposal to have this matter dealt with by a committee over more than the life of the current Parliament—as an issue that a committee will be asked to look at—rather than to have it go out as an issue for people to consider at a general election? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN 
: Again I think that the member is jumping to conclusions about what the nature of the inquiry is likely to be. I suggest that he waits for probably just a few more days when the Government will announce its proposals.
Pettis Jill: Maori Television Service Bill — In Committee 
Pettis Jill: Maori Television Service Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:607;Page:5067] 
JILL PETTIS (Junior Whip—NZ Labour) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Vote: Courts and Criminal Matters Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Courts and Criminal Matters Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:627;Page:21943] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 48 
New Zealand National 26; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 9. 
Noes 70 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: The amendments in the name of the Hon Tony Ryall to clause 35(1) to insert words in paragraphs (e) and (f) are out of order because they are contrary to the previous decision. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Tony Ryall to clause 35(1) be agreed to: 
to add to section 85A(4) the following new paragraph: 
(g)or any other information held which may assist in the location of the fines defaulter. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Tony Ryall to clause 35(2) be agreed to: 
to add to paragraph (b) of section 85A(6) the following new subparagraph: 
(iii)the name address and telephone number of any former employers of the fines defaulter. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 370 in the name of the Hon Rick Barker to clause 35 be agreed to. 
Amendment agreed to and Part 9 as amended agreed to.
Carter John: Hazardous Substances and New Organisms (Genetically Modified Organisms Moratorium Reinstatement) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Carter John: Hazardous Substances and New Organisms (Genetically Modified Organisms Moratorium Reinstatement) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:624;Page:19296] 
JOHN CARTER (National—Northland) 
: 
 I seek leave for the co-leader of the Greens to have a further 10-minute slot at 5 past 10 to reread the speech that he has just read. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Clem Simich) 
: No no.
Turner Judy: Medicines (Specified Biotechnical Procedures)  Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Turner Judy: Medicines (Specified Biotechnical Procedures)  Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:625;Page:20596] 
JUDY TURNER (Deputy Leader—United Future) 
: 
 I rise on behalf of United Future in support of the Committee stage of the Medicines (Specified Biotechnical Procedures) Amendment Bill. The bill is very very small. It is really an application for an extension and we make such applications all the time in Parliament when we need more time to work on something. 
In this case we are waiting for the introduction and passing of the human tissue legislation which needs to happen first. That is not uncommon in law either—that sometimes one bill requires another to be passed first. My most recent experience of that was with the Ngati Awa Claims Settlement Bill. We first needed to pass Te Runanga o Ngati Awa Bill the governance bill before the settlement bill was passed a few days later. One required the other to be in place. 
This legislation is in exactly the same situation. We require the human tissue legislation to be tabled and to proceed through the House and when that is out of the way this issue will be solved. All we are doing is keeping the moratorium in place in the form of an extension. The fine work that is already being done on drafting the human tissue legislation—the fine work being done by the Bioethics Council—can continue. 
This issue is not stalemated somewhere; it is not in some sort of freeze-frame mode; it is moving ahead and this bill provides the extra time required. That is really all that this bill is about. Therefore I will say no more except to reiterate that United Future is very happy to support the bill at the Committee stage.
Vote: Urgency 
Vote: Urgency 
[Volume:625;Page:19758] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That urgency be accorded. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand Labour 51; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 58 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; Green Party 9; Maori Party 1. 
Motion agreed to.
Urgency 
Urgency 
[Volume:608;Page:5358] 
Urgency 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I move  
That extraordinary urgency be accorded the introduction and passing of the Customs and Excise (Alcoholic Beverages) Amendment Bill 
. This bill changes the excise duty rate on alcohol between 14 and 23 percent by alcohol content to deal with a youth drinking problem and comes into force tonight so requires to be passed this evening.  
A party vote was called for on the question  
That extraordinary urgency be accorded the introduction and passing of the Customs and Excise (Alcoholic Beverages) Amendment Bill. 
Ayes 71 
Noes 44 
Motion agreed to. 
Labour 52; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 12; ACT New Zealand 5.
Carter John: Copyright (Parallel Importation of Films and Onus of Proof) Amendment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Third Reading 
Carter John: Copyright (Parallel Importation of Films and Onus of Proof) Amendment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:612;Page:9394] 
JOHN CARTER (Senior Whip—National) 
: 
 In accepting that advice to the Parliament and in view of perhaps getting some movement on this—because otherwise we may end up with some frustration—I wonder whether it would be sensible if I were to seek leave of the House for us to get agreement to recommence the second reading so that members who want to make a contribution to a second reading might do so. Following that we could then go back into Committee. I seek leave of the House for us to resume the second reading. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: No leave has to be sought to rescind the motion. 
JOHN CARTER 
: I seek leave to rescind the motion. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to do that. Is there any objection? There appears to be objection.
Vote: Foreshore and Seabed Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Foreshore and Seabed Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:621;Page:17104] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment to the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 11 
Green Party 9; Maori Party 1; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Noes 109 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Amendment to the amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Metiria Turei to the amendment to clause 66 set out on Supplementary Order Paper 302 in the name of the Hon Dr Michael Cullen be agreed to: 
to omit subclause (1).
Fitzsimons Jeanette: Fisheries Amendment Bill (No 3) — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Fitzsimons Jeanette: Fisheries Amendment Bill (No 3) — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:619;Page:15141] 
JEANETTE FITZSIMONS (Co-Leader—Green) 
: 
 I wish to address the amendment moved by Larry Baldock on the question of kahawhai. I agree with the substance of what he said about the kahawhai fishery. It has been Green policy for many years that kahawhai should be managed as a recreational-only species because it has so much greater value as a recreational species than it does as bait which is what much of the commercial catch is used for. There should however be just enough commercial quota to cover the inevitable by-catch so that that is properly accounted for but kahawai should not be targeted. I have had hundreds of emails from recreational fishers thanking me for the position that the Greens have taken on that for years. They are convinced that the stocks are declining that they are harder to catch and they blame the purse-seine boats that have been scooping them up. I discussed that issue with the former Minister and I thought at the time that he agreed that that was how kahawai should be dealt with. So I was quite disturbed to find that when kahawhai went into the quota management system the quota issues were based on commercial catch history just like any other fishery. 
The fact is that kawhai are not in this bill and the amendment is not in any way related to this bill. Kawhai are already in the quota management system. I was quite intrigued to see how Larry Baldock would fix the situation through an amendment to this bill. When I saw the wording of the amendment I could not support it because it would not actually fix the situation for the recreational fishers but it would make it worse. I also cannot support a process whereby a party withdraws support for a bill it fundamentally accepts in order to get an amendment that has nothing to do with the bill. That kind of horse-trading does not work around this place and we have always refused to trade between issues in that way. 
The fact is that the Minister is constrained by law. Once a species is in the quota management system he has to make decisions that are based on scientific information that can be challenged in court. As Larry Baldock himself said we have a great paucity of information about kahawhai stocks and about kahawhai catches. I have talked with the Minister today and I have a personal undertaking from him that $1 million will be put into getting good information on the kahawhai fishery over 1 more year at which stage the quota will be reassessed—not after 3 to 5 years but after 1 year—and that if there has been no recovery in the stock then the commercial quota will be reduced in order to protect the recreational catch. At this stage there is no other way that that can be done.
Prebble Richard: Appropriation (2003/04 Estimates) Bill — Third Reading Imprest Supply Debate 
Prebble Richard: Appropriation (2003/04 Estimates) Bill — Third Reading Imprest Supply Debate 
[Volume:610;Page:7677] 
Hon RICHARD PREBBLE (Leader—ACT NZ) 
:  
I ask you not to reflect on that request because it is grossly out of order. A member should raise a point of order at the time and not later. However since the member has raised a point of order he should set the facts out correctly. Sure a form was put around whereby the chief Government whip thought it would be a funny trick to change the speaking order without drawing it to the attention of the people at the committee. He thinks that it is a sort of agreement when the order is changed from how it normally is and regards that as binding. When the ACT member Muriel Newman realised the silly game that the Labour chief whip was getting into with the Greens and now I understand with the help of United Future—which came to Parliament to lift the standards—she immediately went to see the Speaker Jonathan Hunt. He immediately agreed that of course the speaking order ought to be as it is set out in the Standing Orders. I say to United Future that that sort of silly game is one of the reasons that it is at 0.8 percent in the polls.
Gosche Mark: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Gosche Mark: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:624;Page:19365] 
6.  
Hon MARK GOSCHE (Labour—Maungakiekie) 
 to the  
Minister of Labour 
: What is the Government doing to assist working New Zealanders? 
Hon PAUL SWAIN (Minister of Labour) 
: 
 The Government has done a great deal. It repealed the Employment Contracts Act and introduced the Employment Relations Act. It introduced paid parental leave and also 4 weeks’ annual leave and time and a half for those who work on public holidays. The Government has introduced more effective health and safety laws and has increased the minimum wage every year for the past 6 years. 
Hon Mark Gosche 
: What improvements has the Government made to the minimum wage since 1999 and how does this compare with the previous decade? 
Hon PAUL SWAIN 
: The Labour Government has increased the minimum wage from $7 to $9.50 in just 6 years—an increase of over 35 percent. By comparison between 1990 and 1994 under the previous National Government the minimum wage was not increased at all. 
Government Members 
: What! 
Hon PAUL SWAIN 
: Not at all! Between 1995 and 1999 the minimum wage was increased by less than one miserable dollar. Labour is very proud of its record on this issue. 
John Key 
: If this Government really cares about working families and working New Zealanders why are working New Zealanders facing higher taxes than before why does the in-work payment that is part of the Working for Families package not occur until 2006 and why are two-thirds of the people who will be beneficiaries of the Working for Families package on welfare? 
Madam SPEAKER 
: There are several questions there. The Minister must answer only one but if he wishes to answer two he may. 
Hon PAUL SWAIN 
: The Working for Families package will see a great boost for a large number of working families in New Zealand and this Government is very very proud of that. 
Judy Turner 
: What is the Government going to do to help disabled people like Christchurch man Peter Bradley stay in the workforce when he has been told that the 4 hours a week of home help he needs will be axed unless he quits his job as a call-centre operator—which he enjoys—and that he will be required to go back on to a full invalids benefit? 
Hon PAUL SWAIN 
: I presume that the member is speaking about the repeal of sections of the Employment Relations Act? 
Judy Turner 
: Yes. 
Hon PAUL SWAIN 
: It is important to note that around 3000 clients are involved in 47 workshops and the repeal of this legislation applies to about 1000 of those clients. Under the repeal individuals themselves will be assessed as to whether they are exempt from minimum-wage provisions rather than what is currently the case which is that all those in sheltered workshops are exempt. That is a fair way to proceed. 
Judy Turner 
: I seek leave to table an article from the media: “Got a job lost home helper”. 
Document by leave laid on the Table of the House.
Pettis Jill: Gambling Bill — Third Reading 
Pettis Jill: Gambling Bill — Third Reading 
[Volume:611;Page:8648] 
JILL PETTIS (NZ Labour—Whanganui) 
: 
 I support the bill.
Vote: Hazardous Substances and New Organisms  (Approvals and Enforcement) Amendment Bill — Referral to Education and Science Committee 
Vote: Hazardous Substances and New Organisms  (Approvals and Enforcement) Amendment Bill — Referral to Education and Science Committee 
[Volume:623;Page:18805] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 45 
New Zealand National 27; ACT New Zealand 8; Green Party 9; Maori Party 1. 
Noes 74 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand First 13; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
Bill referred to the Education and Science Committee.referred to Education and Science Committee
Copeland Gordon: Taxation (Annual Rates Venture Capital and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill — In Committee 
Copeland Gordon: Taxation (Annual Rates Venture Capital and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:621;Page:16581] 
GORDON COPELAND (Whip—United Future) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. Before you give the call I point out that United Future has yet to make any contribution to this debate at all. I would like to speak on this part if possible. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich) 
: I call Gordon Copeland.
Vote: Human Assisted Reproductive Technology Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Vote: Human Assisted Reproductive Technology Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:620;Page:15930] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 103 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand National 22; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 6; Progressive 2. 
Noes 17 
New Zealand National 5; ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 2; Maori Party 1; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Amendment agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 267 in the name of the Hon David Benson-Pope to the heading of clause 25 be agreed to.
Business Statement 
Business Statement 
[Volume:608;Page:5983] 
Business Statement 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 Next week the House will go into a 2-week adjournment. When the House resumes on Tuesday 10 June it is the intention to make progress on the Courts and Criminal Matters Bill the Industry New Zealand and Trade New Zealand Integration Bill the Crimes Amendment Bill (No 6) and the third reading of the Minimum Wage Amendment Bill. The first Wednesday of course is a members’ day. Over the next sitting period it is also the Government’s intention to conclude the debates on the performance and current operations of Crown entities public organisations and State enterprises and the Appropriation (2002/03 Supplementary Estimates) Bill including the second reading of an Imprest Supply Bill. 
GERRY BROWNLEE (NZ National—Ilam) 
: 
 I wonder whether the Leader of the House might give us some indication of when the Responsible Gambling Bill will be coming back before the House. There is quite a bit of public concern about it particularly in the sporting community. A number of letters are coming out of the various trusts affected by this stating that they are unable to make grants for summer sport pending the legislation being passed. Can the Minister indicate when he might let the sporting community of New Zealand know just when the bad news is to hit? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I can tell those bodies that they can proceed. There is no reason to believe the canards put about by some that the Government will grab the money. There is no intention to move such an amendment.
Vote: Transport Legislation Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Vote: Transport Legislation Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:621;Page:16912] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 84 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2; Maori Party 1. 
Noes 36 
New Zealand National 27; ACT New Zealand 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Amendments agreed to.
Te Runanga o Ngati Awa Bill — Instruction to Committee 
Te Runanga o Ngati Awa Bill — Instruction to Committee 
[Volume:623;Page:18907] 
Te Runanga o Ngati Awa Bill 
Instruction to Committee 
Hon MITA RIRINUI (Associate Minister in charge of Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations) 
: 
 I move  
That it be an instruction to the Committee of the whole House on the Te Runanga o Ngati Awa Bill that it take the bill part by part.  
Motion agreed to.
Shirley Ken: Shop Trading Hours Act Repeal Act (Abolition of Restrictions) Amendment Bill — Consideration of Report of Commerce Committee 
Shirley Ken: Shop Trading Hours Act Repeal Act (Abolition of Restrictions) Amendment Bill — Consideration of Report of Commerce Committee 
[Volume:616;Page:11973] 
Hon KEN SHIRLEY (Deputy Leader—ACT) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. My colleague has raised a very important procedural matter that needs some response from the Government. He has pointed out that this bill could be passed before Easter. Because it is to allow shopping on Easter Sunday the request was that the Government include it in the urgency motion next week. Could a Minister from across the Government side of the Chamber give us some indication of that please? 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Clem Simich) 
: I thank the member but that is a matter for debate.
Laban Luamanuvao Winnie: Employment Relations Law Reform Bill — In Committee 
Laban Luamanuvao Winnie: Employment Relations Law Reform Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:620;Page:16194] 
LUAMANUVAO WINNIE LABAN (Labour—Mana) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Fairbrother Russell: Customs and Excise (Alcoholic Beverages) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
Fairbrother Russell: Customs and Excise (Alcoholic Beverages) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:608;Page:5400] 
RUSSELL FAIRBROTHER (NZ Labour—Napier) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Fairbrother Russell: Future Directions (Working for Families) Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Procedure 
Fairbrother Russell: Future Directions (Working for Families) Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:617;Page:13509] 
RUSSELL FAIRBROTHER (Labour—Napier) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Hunt Jonathan: Speaker’s Statements — Questions for Oral Answer—New Zealand First 
Hunt Jonathan: Speaker’s Statements — Questions for Oral Answer—New Zealand First 
[Volume:620;Page:15575] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Before I call questions for oral answer I advise the House that I made an error myself in the calculation of questions from New Zealand First last week so I will be allocating it an extra question today.
Gallagher Martin: Television New Zealand Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Gallagher Martin: Television New Zealand Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:606;Page:3729] 
MARTIN GALLAGHER (NZ Labour—Hamilton West) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put.
Cullen Michael: Urgent Debates Declined — Government Transport Package Foreshore and Seabed Human Rights Review Tribunal Decision Points of Order 
Cullen Michael: Urgent Debates Declined — Government Transport Package Foreshore and Seabed Human Rights Review Tribunal Decision Points of Order 
[Volume:614;Page:10724] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Deputy Prime Minister) 
: 
 There will certainly be an announcement if decisions are taken. No decisions have been taken. The Cabinet business committee has power to act tomorrow. Therefore if members were to have an urgent debate every time the Government indicates an announcement of policy may be made then members would be here every day having urgent debates about things where they do not know what to talk about. It may suit members opposite to have a debate about this issue and not know what it is they are debating but it would not suit the Government. Those members will have an opportunity this evening in the adjournment debate to debate this matter if they want to.
Mackey Janet: Education (Export Education Levy) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Mackey Janet: Education (Export Education Levy) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:619;Page:14753] 
JANET MACKEY (Labour—East Coast) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.