Wall LouisaLOUISA WALL (Labour—Manurewa): Tēnā koe Mr Chair. Actually it's appropriate that I follow the Hon Nikki Kaye because I too want to speak to Supplementary Order Paper (SOP) 464 in the name of David Seymour. In doing so I do want to acknowledge that within his SOP he has referenced the Law Commission and it's true that they didn't recommend safe areas. It's also true that Crown Law said that in implementing these the right to freedom of expression is impaired. But I've managed to find two pieces of evidence that actually will help us as a Parliament decide on the balance that is being struck I believe within this bill. The first is from the US and it's titled Effect of abortion protesters on women's emotional response to abortion". It was conducted by looking at 30 facilities. They interviewed 956 women who were going to those clinics for an abortion and 25 percent of the women interviewed said that it had little effect and 16 percent said that it had quite a lot or that they became extremely upset—that it was a difficult enough situation. The second piece of research I want to highlight is titled "Anti-abortion protest and the effectiveness of Victoria's safe access zones: an analysis" and it looks at safe access zones in Tasmania ACT Victoria the Northern Territory and New South Wales. Tasmania was the first jurisdiction to implement these safe access zones in 2013.Essentially this is what they said about what the protesters actually say and do: they intrude into people's personal space—of patients and of family members who choose to accompany people wanting to have an abortion. They dispense propaganda including fetal dolls. They implore them not to kill their babies. They castigate them as murderers. They heckle them. They threaten them. They verbally abuse them. Some of them are stopped from exiting their cars and some of them are physically stopped from entering the clinic. This is not just the women and their families and friends who take them to these abortion clinics but also the staff. I actually think we need to think about that context of our health practitioners working in those facilities who have to endure all of that type of abuse every day. I believe there is a health and safety element to the provisions in the bill and therefore when we think about the health and safety provisions—that a provider will go to their DHB who will go to the Ministry of Health and then in consultation with the Ministry of Justice they will then designate a particular clinic as requiring a safe zone. So when we look at the I think quite logical step that the Abortion Legislation Committee has recommended and the Minister of Justice has recommended—we're not having blanket safe zones; what we're doing is providing a mechanism so that the Governor-General by Order in Council on the recommendation of the Ministry of Health after consulting with the Ministry of Justice can put these in place. They will be in particular sites I imagine. I know Dunedin has been particularly awful. We know that—the people on the commission heard that.So when I think about the context of the bill the context of abortion—and we've all seen it: the emotion; the placards outside that are supposed to scare us into not voting for this piece of legislation. Let's all be real about the efficacy of these safe zones and the need of these safe zones. So do I believe that it's a justified limitation on freedom of expression? Absolutely. No woman no parent no family member no friend and no staff member who is going into a facility to enable what is already a very difficult situation should have to be abused in such a way—to interfere with a woman's right to a medical procedure. So I welcome the Minister's comments because I do think the health and safety aspect is particularly crucial. As Nikki Kaye pointed out we have a bullying and harassment and intimidation culture in New Zealand. For us not to futureproof this legislation to ensure we have the tools to deal with it if it does happen—it may not happen now; that's David Seymour's argument. But actually we've seen what this bill has generated. We've received it in our inboxes. We've seen it out on the front steps of Parliament. For us not to actually have the tools and the mechanisms to rid ourselves of this abuse and harassment and as I've already highlighted women who are already in a difficult situation to upset them even more is unconscionable. So I want to thank the Minister and thank the select committee for ensuring that these safe zones will exist but they will only exist if they're needed. Kia ora."