Hipkins ChrisLAWRENCE YULE (National—Tukituki): Thank you Madam Chair. I wish to raise a point on Part 2 for the Minister in relation to local government and Public Service agencies. And I understand your previous ruling but if you just let me explain briefly.I am critical of the process that's been followed here in the report-back provisions but there is absolutely an ability for New Zealand's public sector to work across local and central government and the ability for reorganisations of central government to include members of the local government fraternity in and out of those sectors. Largely in my view this bill is completely silent on that and that would've been something I would've liked to have seen if we'd managed to get it referred back to select committee or in fact if we'd had more time.Because it is my view when I look at a large number of Government agencies and reorganisations and I think of entities like the Ministry for the Environment the Ministry of Transport and many others who have key links to local government that there has been an opportunity lost here. Also the thing I'd raise and I'd ask the Minister to speak to this relates to the State Services Commission's inability to have any input or say in local government as it currently stands. In my view that's a missed opportunity.So I specifically come to reorganisations and bearing in mind how we're operating I'd like the Minister to respond to how local government could or should be included in any way shape or form in this if possible please.Hon CHRIS HIPKINS (Minister of State Services): Yeah very happy to comment on that because I think it's actually a very legitimate issue. It isn't specifically covered here but I think it's worthy of comment because it does relate to reorganisations and the member is right: I think one of the frustrations that local government expressed to central government is that the way we organise ourselves in silos at central government doesn't always work for local government and for good constructive relationships between central and local government. So I think some of the tools that are introduced here in this part that help to join up Government in a way that can then better partner with local government I think do provide part of the solution to that.I think local government gets frustrated when they feel and I'm sure the member will have some personal reflections on this they're shunted from one central government agency to another when actually what they want to do is they want to sit down with Government—you know with central government and with the Public Service not necessarily with a particular aspect of it. And if you look at something like COVID-19 and the economic challenges that are posed by COVID-19 central and local government are going to have to work together very closely I think on aspects of our recovery phase out of that. So for local government they're going to want to make sure that they've got a good partner there who can join up in a way that you know creates good scope for that work to take place. I think that these provisions particularly around things like joint ventures provide the opportunity for central government to be a better partner with local government.