Strange JamieJAMIE STRANGE (Labour): Mr Chair I certainly do have something new. I am a bit concerned as well that the Opposition aren't taking calls on this bill; I thought that this was an issue that they would have heard about from their constituents. But I will focus on the bill and we'll leave the Opposition hopefully to take a call in terms of their side of it.Now the point I'd like to focus on—and it is a point that I haven't heard debated tonight—is new section 98D(5)(b) which is around where the bill would protect a person in charge of a motor vehicle from civil or criminal liability for the removal of an immobilising device provided the removal has caused as little damage to the device as reasonably possible. The intent of this is that the operator who claimed an amount for unnecessary or wilful damage to an immobilising device should not be limited by subsection (5). So basically what the bill is saying here is that if you park your car and an immobilising device is placed on your car and you feel that it's unfair—and at times I've heard stories of people actually being in the car while the device is being put on the car—you're able to remove that device yourself as I understand it and if you remove it with little damage to the device then you will be exempt from civil or criminal liability. Now I'm not sure how you remove a device like this from a car whether you need a screwdriver or a tool box—Hon Tim Macindoe: Come on we're from Hamilton—of course you know!JAMIE STRANGE: —or some sort of system—I wouldn't know; others may have more experience in these matters.But I guess the questions I have around this piece of information here are: first of all how do we define little damage" and is that a little bit subjective possibly? And if someone is in a situation where they're absolutely desperate to get this immobilising device off their car—and it may be a very serious situation like somebody is suffering from an illness they need to get them to a hospital; or there might be some fairly dramatic issue—are they able to actually remove it quite forcefully? And if there is more damage than a little damage then the bill says that they may be liable for criminal liability; however what sort of leniency is there around this and the aspect around that term "little damage"?I think that it's important that this is in here because if we do have a situation where someone's absolutely desperate to use their car and they need it—it might be a case of life or death it might be a case of illness—that they actually have to remove this thing; now the question is: can they remove it? Now I don't know how difficult it is to remove one of these devices—Hon Member: It's pretty easy.JAMIE STRANGE: —and I suppose it depends on—maybe people in Masterton might have more experience with that but certainly up in Hamilton we don't have as much. I don't mean to make light of it because the fact is like I said it could be quite a serious situation; it could be a situation that requires urgency. So I believe it is in the bill.It's good that it's in here. It's common sense. But we would not want to encourage vigilante behaviour where anybody feels that they could have it removed they carry a little tool box with them and have it removed at any sort of moment. So I am just a little bit concerned about that aspect of it but I believe it is good in here. So the Minister might just want to clarify that aspect particularly around that little damage. It just seems a little bit subjective to me around how much damage can be caused there.And then the second point in my final minute here is around the bullying and standover tactics. Now we have heard this reference but my question to the Minister is how does the bill stop the bullying and standover tactics? I mean the bill puts a maximum fine at $100 but there is still a possibility for the bullying and standover tactics so how does the bill deal with that around intimidation as my colleague has said.So I just leave those two questions there for the Minister to respond around removing the device with little damage and the bullying and standover tactics. Thank you Mr Chair."