Wall LouisaLOUISA WALL (Labour—Manurewa): Tēnā koe e Te Māngai o Te Whare. Tēnā koutou katoa. I want to acknowledge Sarah Dowie. This is a really important piece of legislation and it will become a legacy piece of legislation for her. Shark cage diving is obviously a business and she has constituents who have asked her to advocate on their behalf. I want to acknowledge that this bill seeks to provide that the Department of Conservation (DOC) develop standards and via a permit enable shark cage diving operators to provide this type of adventure tourism. Why would they want to do that? Well as we've seen in other jurisdictions such as South Africa South Australia California and Mexico it has the potential to bring up to $28 million into that community. So behind what Sarah's been fighting for has been an opportunity for her community and I want to acknowledge it.But we do have to contrast that with the pāua industry. I find that interesting because really this is a business-versus-business issue. The value of the pāua industry is $60 million. It's a lot of money and actually a lot of pāua is being consumed not only here but the export market for pāua is huge and therein lies the issue. These pāua divers are freedivers they don't use tanks and it's a health and safety issue which drove the pāua industry to go through the court system.One of the questions I asked in preparing for my contribution tonight was: can sharks be harmed by shark cage diving? Obviously the Minister has articulated it but DOC did commission a report in 2015 by Barry Bruce who works for the Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation in Tasmania and it's titled A review of cage diving impacts on white shark behaviour and recommendations for research and the industry's management in New Zealand. So the Department of Conservation have been engaged in this issue for a long time because they actually permitted it. What we have to acknowledge is that the Department of Conservation developed a code of practice in 2013. They started permitting in 2014. Business had been practising since 2008 unregulated. They reviewed the code and therein became the issues. What's interesting in this report is that great white shark cage diving occurs in areas—and I quote—where the species naturally aggregates with all current operations focused around … seal/sea lion colonies." That's why the great whites congregate in this particular part of New Zealand.But what there isn't a comparative analysis about is whether or not there are other seafood-gathering species like pāua and that in fact is the conflict. It's a business conflict but it's a conflict between the sharks and what happens with the sharks—and if you have a look at that court determination essentially it said that the department didn't have power because under the Wildlife Act of 1953 as Minister Sage has articulated there's proof that sharks suffer physical and mental agitation and there is a risk to the sharks. So I think this bill is before its time Sarah and I think there will be an opportunity for a resolution to be sought but it's not through this bill.To be honest I think the Treaty issues are significant. I think that you would want buy-in from mana whenua. I don't know what consultation you did with your bill. And yes I mean some would say just send it to select committee but it would be much better to get all those relationships all those consultations in place so when the bill did come actually it came with an understanding that it would be supported and passed so that we find resolution because we absolutely need a pathway forward.I agree that shark cage diving—some people are prepared to pay up to seven hundred bucks for the adventure of staring a shark in the eye. So I think you've started us as a Parliament on a journey. I do have faith in Minister Sage and I think the legacy of this bill and the work that she's doing and the Department of Conservation's doing will ensure that your community and other communities around Aotearoa New Zealand will have the opportunity to benefit from this type of adventure tourism. Kia ora."