Kaye NikkiHon NIKKI KAYE (National—Auckland Central): I'm delighted to just go back to my initial conversation that I was having about section 348 so we go back to the submissions. There were a range of other reasons that people put forward for not making this change. I mean the other reason that was put forward was that it does not reflect the work of teachers which is the work of education and that rather it implies a lack of professional confidence and the term education" is a far more inclusive term for what happens within schools and educational facilities. So the point is that by then reverting back and inserting the word "teaching" we are shifting away from the more generic term which then reflects teachers principals and students. So that's the other point that I wanted to make. Just coming back again to that section 348 I have a range of Supplementary Order Papers (SOPs) in my name. I want to just touch on one of them SOP 103 which is around representation and a number of my colleagues have other Supplementary Order Papers here. As we have been very clear at the outset if you look at the history of this we have argued for a competency-based model. The reality is that the Minister ends up choosing people that may be involved in representative organisations but the concept that you would have the best people that were up for the job is absolutely at the heart of our policy on this issue. Not only are we seeing as part of this bill a growing of the body to 13 members—which is another cost which members will talk about—but then there is also this issue of every person coming to select committee and arguing for another representative body. So one of the amendments that I have put up is that "At least one of the appointed members must be appointed after the Minister consults with and receives recommendations from representatives of parent school trustee and community interest groups". So the point here is that of all of the organisations that came to the Education and Workforce Committee—and I should say remember there are tens of thousands of teachers out there. We had 36 submissions so this is hardly the most important issue in terms of education. But the one group that were missed out in terms of the Government members were parents and we know there are more than a million parents out there that actually want to have a say in our education system. So my amendment—and I really do want to hear the Minister's views on this because as I say we actually oppose these changes but we've tried to be helpful through this amendment process. I want to hear the Minister's views on why it is that the Parliament if we're going to be here and we've got 19 reviews under way if we're going to be spending $700000 changing the name of this council and if we're going to be reversing all of the reviews that have occurred around this body—and this question is directly to the Minister—then why is it that the one group that are missed out are parents? A million parents out there are not given the opportunity unlike all of the other representative groups to have their own representation. I would really really like to hear from the Minister on that issue. The other issue that I would like to hear from the Minister on is that I want the Minister to respond to Yvonne Groot and the Waitakere Area Principals' Association and I want the Minister to justify why—when even I think a number of the unions turned up to select committee and said "We don't necessarily think you need to change the name."—the Government progressed for a $700000 change. We understand they wanted to make this representative body change but why did they progress with this name change when it was going to cost that amount of money? The other key question that I do have for the Minister is totally separate to proceeding along these lines for the Education Council. Why is it that this is happening so quickly? Why is it that we're not respecting the amazing Barbara Ala'alatoa and all of those people that have put their time and energy into this body and not accepting that there should be a decent transition? Why is the Government pushing on through spending this money on reversing what have been previous major reviews in this area and then riding roughshod over incredibly respected educators to force this change to happen so quickly? So those are a couple of key questions that I have for the Minister. We're going to be bedding in for a long ride here."