Ngaro AlfredHon ALFRED NGARO (National): I rise to take a call on Part 3 of the bill. I do have some sympathy for David Seymour. I know what he's trying to do—maybe not in quite the right way—but I think the important thing is that we need to be mindful and I want it to be on the record that some of the hesitation towards using the word poverty" when you classify it to an indicator is the stigma that could relate to it. I think we need to be mindful of that fact especially when you think that in Part 3 of the bill in particular there's a lot of focus on particular groups of our community and children within those groups. It's in the bill; we won't hide from it—in particular Māori and then it's also indicating other groups. So I just want to highlight and put on the record that we always need to be mindful. While in a sense our intent is to address the issue the unintended consequence is that we could impose a stigma upon a group and upon a group of people for instance and in this case that's what's indicated here in the bill in particular.I do want to make just a brief comment to the Hon Aupito William Sio when he talked about the fact that we may not understand the complexity. I think we do. In fact if I can remember rightly all the things that we put in place when we were in Government for nine years and in particular the first in 42 years to raise the base benefit level weren't supported across the House. So we are supporting this. We're holding it to account. I want to go on the record with that. As the National Party we're supporting it because we support the aspect of reducing poverty for children. But at the same time too we've contributed to this. We'll be mindful also that we hold the Government to account and the departments as well—they're just as important—in regards to achieving those results as well.My contribution is to Part 3 in particular which talks about Te Tiriti o Waitangi and I just want to put on the record again that in the initial draft this was left out. So if we're talking about the fact of what should have been left in Te Tiriti o Waitangi was left out. We had to actually request for it to be put back in and now that it has been put back in it's actually then talking about what are the roles and responsibilities of the Government and those departments. It's two things: it's to consult and then to report.Now I want to indicate to the committee that in a sense if we're going to do something different if we're going to be world leading in actual fact let's be careful that we don't use the same tools that have been used previously before. We need to ensure that and some of those tools that I think are really important are parts of what we supported on this side of the House which is Whānau Ora. I know that the new Minister who's here the Hon Tracey Martin actually did indicate the fact that that's part of their review. Well I hope that it is because the reality is that's not what I'm hearing outside. I've been to the Whānau Ora conferences. That's not what people are saying. Those providers are saying they've been sitting they've been waiting they were promised and they weren't delivered the $20 million that was meant to support them. So Whānau Ora is a critical tool in regards to helping achieve the results under this bill for Māori children. So I would say this again and I've said this before in the second reading I hope that Whānau Ora does not become a political football in regards to this bill in regards to achieving the results for Māori.I want to also indicate under this that we did also petition the fact that this Part 3 talks about our obligations to the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child. There was a lot of focus on that. We wanted to make sure first and foremost that our constitutional partnership and roles and responsibilities are under Te Tiriti o Waitangi. It was left out; it was put back in. We've got two parts to it. We hope that they'll be adhered to but more importantly we want to support the aspect of Whānau Ora having its full roles and responsibilities. We did when it came in. We see that it's important to put power in the hands of Māori providers to deliver to Māori in a way that they know makes a difference. We've seen the results. I hope that the Government of the day the Labour-led Government the coalition Government—call it what you may—will also see fit that they too will support it in the appropriate way because we believe that's going to be important to this bill as well. Madam Chair that's just my brief contribution to this Part 3 of the bill."