Flavell Te Ururoa: Gambling (Gambling Harm Reduction) Amendment Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeFlavell Te Ururoa: Gambling (Gambling Harm Reduction) Amendment Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 07 August 2013. Volume:692;Page:12493. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]TE URUROA FLAVELL (Co-Leader—Māori Party):Kia oratātou katoa. This being the first time I have a member’s bill in Parliament under my name it is pretty special—it must be so special that I did not realise I had to stay in the chair all of the time so I apologise to you Mr Chair for that. But it is a real privilege to be able to have an actual bill on the Table of the House of Parliament under my name and in particular under the name of theMāori Party. If I stray a little bit hopefully you will be able to give me a hand Mr Chair.I do not think I want to traverse too many of the negative effects of gambling. They were well traversed in the first and second readings of the Gambling (Gambling Harm Reduction) Amendment Bill so I will leave those there. Aside from the fact that somehave suggested that the bill might well have been cut well back for my part the great thing about this particular bill from its very inception was the discussion. It brought to the table all of the very many parties who have an interest all across the board whether they be people who ask for money or whether they be controlling the money or distributing the money. The great thing is that it has allowed the debate to happen.I want to thank the Commerce Committee which listened to all of those many submissions. I want to also thank the Minister of Internal Affairs who while we talked through this bill worked with me to look not only at my particular bill but also at the longer vision. So I pay tribute to the Hon Chris Tremain and his office for working with us to look at not just this bill because it does not have to be seen just in this bill alone but also subsequent bills that may well come through from the National Party and indeed from the Minister in the course of time—hopefully before the end of the year.There are a couple of points that I want to make in respect of that original bill. For starters we wanted to cut out racing and racing stake money as an authorised charitable purpose. Our reason for that was that we should not give special consideration to this industry when community organisations are so short of funding. Aside from that it seems such a contradiction that you put money into a machine that coughs up some benefits that supposedly go to the community and yet it ends up going as prize money to racing. It just seems such a huge contradiction which is why we put it inin the first instance. The Government generally disagreed with that saying that it would have too much of a negative impact on the racing industry and others will probably support that view.The second part of that original bill had a condition that at least 80 percent of the funds derived from class 4 gambling would be distributed to the community from which they came. It would be implemented by a condition on the mandatory licence that societies have to apply for to operate gaming machines. Again the Government said that that would not work because societies can challenge the conditions of their licence. But the Government did say that it supported the idea of making sure funds from pokies went back to the communities of origin and that was at the very heart of our particular bill. So we believe that the bill in its current form does in fact allow that to happen although through regulation.The third part of the bill required territorial authorities to take control of distributing proceeds from gaming. There is no longer any need for societies—I believe it was in the select committee process that we heard across the board about a number of exercises in the past where societies had been caught having rorted the system in one form or another. The Government did not necessarily agree—and the vast majority of the submitters did not necessarily agree—that local authorities take up that rein but the Government did say that there is a need for greater transparency of the current grant system taking away the risk of rorts and dodgy dealings. We believe it is partly covered in my bill but will also be followed up in further legislation down the line.If I can just talk to the fourth part of the bill it allowed for public sentiment and evidence of harm to be specific criteria when territorial authorities are developing their venue policies and for those criteria to be a reason for reducing the number of pokie machines in that area. I believe that some of Mr Mallard’s amendments sort of cover that. The Government did not agree with this saying that this would impact unfairly on existing venues but instead it wanted to allow venues with permission from territorial authorities to move their pokie machines out of harm’s way—perhaps to central business districts but not to low-decile areas. I believe that that has been dealt with in the bill.The final part is that the original bill wanted harm minimisation devices like pre-commit cards and player tracking to be put into all gambling machines. I was luckyenough to be invited to go and have a look—I believe it was in Hamilton—at some of these facial recognition machines and see how they worked. To me as somebody coming into that and having a look at it on the face of it they actually worked—Hon Trevor Mallard: So to speak.TE URUROA FLAVELL: —yes—but I have since been told that there are all sorts of difficulties with technology that may well put that in question. Of course I also heard evidence from overseas and Australia in particular that things like pre-commit cards and player tracking have not yet necessarily been tested in full to ensure that there are no hiccups in how those devices are used. So the Government did not agree because of the whole changing of technology over time simply because there was not enough information. But the Minister in working with me did however support the development of regulations to support the implementation of harm minimisation technology which I believe is very much at the heart of the bill.So as we go through the Committee stage today I am happy that there are a large number of amendments to the bill. TheMāori Party took consideration of those. Many of them it will be supporting. Many of them it will not be. But I am pleased that across the House from the Greens and from Labour we have been able to have a number of amendments that will contribute to the discussion if not to the end outcome. I think it is important that we put that on the record. So with that I thank members for their contributions tonight and look forward to the debate. Kia oratātou.