Williams PotoPOTO WILLIAMS (Labour—Christchurch East): Tēnā koe. That was a very impassioned speech by my colleague Louisa Wall and I could not agree more. I want to take a slightly different tack in my contribution and this is to address a concern that I have raised in many debates on this particular piece of legislation. It is about the evaluation of the effectiveness of this particular programme because frankly we have not seen any evaluation that this programme actually does what it has been designed to do. Despite numerous calls from this side of the House to see the evidence that this programme actually works we have yet to actually see that evidence in action. I want to discuss this from the point of view of supporting community agencies that every single day support young people to parent well to get education and to do the best that they can. Every single agency that I have ever worked for as a community services person if it has any contributory Government funding has had to have a stringent requirement that the programmes that it delivers are not only evaluated but are evaluated towards their effectiveness. Every single partner to the Government in the community sector has to do that yet this Government can stand by and say that it can deliver programmes that have not had full evaluation. We do not know that this programme will actually deliver what it says it is going to deliver yet the Government requires community partners to jump through hoops every single day to ensure that they can get contributory funding—not full funding from the Government but contributory funding. So I believe that what is happening here is that the Government in many of its conversations about partnerships with community agencies is talking about softening up the people of New Zealand to dumping some of those smaller agencies and going to the super-agencies because this Government does not know how to partner with communities. It cannot partner with multiple agencies to deal with the breadth of issues that this piece of legislation is designed to correct. This Government just does not know how to have relationships with communities so it sets up these super-agencies bypassing all of the good work that our community agencies have been required to do year in year out. It does not know how to have relationships with communities. It does not know the complexity of issues that surround young people who are wanting to get into education or employment or to parent well. It is not just about reaching National Certificate of Educational Achievement level 2. As my colleague says it is about getting into decent housing that they know that they can be in for a period of time that they determine and building connections into their communities. That is actually what sits at the heart of sustainability. That is what will develop those young people into people who can be good parents and go on to have fulfilling lives. Do not get me wrong—the Government has taken some measures to look at programmes. Let us not forget that this Government has embarked upon a reform programme for some time. I recall when this Government started looking at vulnerable children in 2011 and 2012. We all recall the Green Paper for Vulnerable Children which then became the Children's Action Plan. At that time it promised much. I remember talking to Minister Paula Bennett at the time saying: Thank you for giving us the opportunity to do this piece of work." Unfortunately the Government did not deliver on what was promised. It did not deliver an action plan that will support our children to grow up to lead the fulfilling lives that they deserve.We cannot support this bill. It is a shame because our young people and our children deserve so much better."