Nash StuartHon STUART NASH (Minister of Revenue): Thank you very much. The Rt Hon member David Carter asks some very pertinent questions and I hope I answer all of them.First of all the information-sharing agreement is with the Ministry of Social Development (MSD). What happens currently is it will be automatically triggered. So if a superannuitant is heading overseas they won't have to automatically notify MSD—it would be good if they did but they don't have to. It will be picked up. But this isn't a new system. So if a superannuitant heads overseas at the moment and they're receiving any other form of supplementary benefit then that also cuts off after a 28-day absence. So this isn't new. This is already in place. Also we do know that if a superannuitant is overseas for 30 weeks or more they actually lose their entitlement to the pension. We are not creating a precedent here about being away for a certain amount of time. The second thing is if they head to Scott Base for 28 days—the purpose of this bill just to clarify once again is to help people pay their own power bills. If they head down to Scott Base then they won't be paying their own power bill so they won't need to pay their power bill. Therefore they won't be eligible for that winter warm-up payment. Now I think that's all the questions that the right honourable member asked. There are a couple of others. Andrew Bayly actually nailed it. He actually nailed it when he produced the data that showed that over winter power bills are almost double than they are over summer and that is the exact point we are making. In winter power bills are significantly more than over summer and Mr Bayly has the information. Thank you very much Mr Bayly. It's exactly what I wanted to see. So we do know that power bills are higher in winter. That is why we have said From 1 May for 22 weeks we recognise this and we're gonna help you out." The other thing I must say is that this is actually not a tax. We're not going to take money from you. It is actually a benefit. We're going to give money to you. So when Mr Bayly characterises this as a tax he's actually got it wrong. What we are going to do is we're going to give you $450 if you're a single person paying your power bill. We're going to give you $700 if you're a single person with one or more dependants or are in a relationship. We're not going to tax you; we're going to give it back to you. It's fantastic isn't it. We're going to help you pay your power bill.The Hon Maggie Barry brought up a couple of points that I'd like to answer as well. The honourable member said that it differentiates where you live in the country. It actually doesn't. This is the thing. It is really really simple. It doesn't matter if you live in Cape Reinga or Bluff. It is very simple. You will get the same amount of money. The other thing is the honourable member mentioned what other channels a superannuitant would have to enrol in if they come back from overseas. I mentioned that they can go online and the honourable member is right. We acknowledge that there are superannuitants who may have travelled overseas who don't like to do things online or to use the internet. So there are multiple channels. You can actually go into an MSD office. We are going to make this easy. The other thing that we're going to do is—and I think it exists already—we are providing a whole lot of information. Certainly when the bill passes we're providing a whole lot of information to let people know their obligations.The Hon Nathan Guy mentioned a couple of points that I would like to talk about. The Hon Nathan Guy mentioned that there is a loophole in this bill. Nathan Guy said that you could fly over to the Gold Coast and then after 27 days you could fly back collect your payment and then fly back again. And you could do that after another 27 days. Technically I suppose you could—I suppose you could. But I suspect that people aren't going to be paying $700 in airfares to come back for a week and then go back to collect $31—they might but I very much doubt that that is what they are going to do.I just want to reiterate the point that we have made over and over again—and that Mr Bayly so eloquently made—that we understand that power bills are more in winter than they are in summer.Hon Amy Adams: Oh wow!Hon STUART NASH: We understand that—and I know the Hon Amy Adams it is not a revelation is it. It's not a revelation. But what we also know is that in the middle of winter people struggle to pay their power bills. This is to at least help them pay their power bills over winter."