Seymour DavidHon DAVID SEYMOUR (Associate Minister of Finance): Well thank you Madam Chair. I wasn't going to say anything because I just thought Nicola Willis was doing a fantastic job in the chair and I thought Chris Bishop did OK too. You might ask what it was that made me want to get up and speak. It was the absolute drivel from the other side of the Chamber. I heard Chlöe Swarbrick get up and I was transported back to the lounge room of my mum's friends listening to the music of the 1970s; Talking Heads – Psycho Killer".You're talking a lot but you're not saying anything.On and on and on.What I heard in the different drivels was that we're spending too much money but also not enough. I heard that it's somehow a problem that the Government has listened to people on the question of funding medicines and is now going to spend too much money on medicines. Well let me talk about medicines funding. When I became the Minister responsible for Pharmac I got some advice from the Pharmac people—and very good people they are—to say that if you don't deal to the fiscal cliff we face we're either going to have to stop listing new medicines stop letting new patients get new medicines or tell existing patients that they can't continue to have the medicines they expect to receive. That is because the previous Government did not put aside the money over its four-year period to fund the medicines that Kiwis expect. So we had to spend $1.774 billion extra in order to just keep the medicines that people expect going. Then we decided to put in hundreds of millions more to fund the 13 cancer drugs and actually twice as many as that and I can tell you that around Pharmac there's been a real buzz because people who work at Pharmac love spending money to buy medicines. That's what they get out of bed to do and they're doing more of that than they've been able to do in a very very long time.Then we heard about "All the cuts—it's just so terrible." It was actually revealing. It explains how we got here. You see the people in Te Pāti Māori and the Greens and Labour think that the only way to get results is to throw more money at a problem. That's why we got an extra hundred-billion dollars' worth of debt. But actually this Government is showing how sometimes you can have your cake and eat it too. In the case of school lunches literally we are saving $104 billion—sorry; million dollars a year; started to get so excited—$104 million a year on that programme. We're reducing the cost by around a third and we're going to feed 10000 more children in early childhood centres and the most vulnerable children of all. Doing more with less. Now that will be a foreign concept to the people in the Green Party and Labour Te Pāti Māori but actually it's very normal to households and farms and firms and families and the people up and down this country who have been having to do more with less just as the Government has been doing less and less with more and more over the past five years—driving up debt driving up inflation driving up the interest rates that people pay and yes driving up the rents that younger New Zealanders pay because their landlords have mortgages too although that may be a revelation for some on the other side of the Chamber. We've shown right across the board that we can actually deliver better services with less money by working harder and working smarter and making the taxpayer dollar go further.We've also committed in this Budget to spending money on dealing to red tape and regulation. I'm proud that this Government is putting together a regulatory standards bill regulatory sector reviews in early childhood education and animal and horticultural products in order to make sure that Kiwis that go to work can actually spend more time doing the things they liked helping the children learn and grow getting the products they need to be more productive on the farm rather than spending money filling in forms and complying with reckless regulation which has been made by too many Governments for too long taking us from second to 20th in the OECD for product market regulation in the last 25 years.Finally we've set a strict target of $2.4 billion allowance for the next three years which means that we're going to have to keep doing more with less. The good news is that we've shown we can do it and the good news is—as a wise woman once said—that when this Government takes a smaller slice of the economy there is just so much more for real people up and down this country to eat. Thank you Madam Chair."