Logie JanJAN LOGIE (Green): Thank you Madam Chair. And I firstly want to acknowledge the Minister in the chair for the work that is progressing and acknowledge him for starting off by talking about and contextualising the work in this long history where whānau have not been supported by our State and children have been taken from whānau and put into harm. And we have hurt children and we have hurt families as a country and that's a brutal reality and generations of that—and some of the stories that we're hearing through the royal commission of the lifelong impacts of that. And when we hear some of the vilification of gang members from some of the members of the Opposition disconnected to that history many many of those people actually were taken into gangs out of a sense of trying to bring family together to protect themselves after a history of abuse in care. We have to take some responsibility as a country for that reality and hold that in context.So this is a critical time in our history and this is not going to be easy. A Government agency with that history—and it's not just Oranga Tamariki that has got it wrong right? This has been our courts this has been our schools and this has been our health system. It is an entire system that has been failing our children. And we have to bring that together and turn it around to a prevention-focused system that recognises that relationship is the only thing that actually helps people change. That without a relationship nothing changes. People resist and they bed down or they hide and terrible things can happen. And when you lose trust you lose an opportunity for change. Our system has no acknowledgment and our systems are not trust or relationship centred.So there's a huge amount of work to be done and part of that is between the relationship between the Crown—which most people outside of Wellington refer to as Wellington"—and communities. And actually that trust has been broken as well and that needs to be restored. So I'm really interested to hear—and this is also we've particularly been focusing on this and the impact on whānau Māori because that history is very well known and documented and it's a breach of Te Tiriti o Waitangi and the tenfold increase in bringing tamariki Māori into care compared to non-Māori is an absolute outrage on our society. There is also the lens in terms of disability around this that I don't think we acknowledge enough where the Ombudsman's report that came out earlier this year—in the case files he reviewed in every single family at least one of the parents had a disability and that lens was not brought to the interventions by Oranga Tamariki. And we know our services on the ground that enabling good lives is about starting to get supports for people to be able to overcome the barriers from our disabling society but we have a very long way to go. And that is all part of the work that we need to do urgently. So I'm really interested.I also just want to talk about the devolution and the importance of that. And I'm interested to hear from the Minister because prior to the current model or maybe a couple before we had this concept of differential response which was of Oranga Tamariki only taking a certain proportion of cases and then the community dealing with the ones that didn't reach a threshold even though there was never actually a real threshold. But the problem was that our communities were not resourced to be able to respond effectively and there was no local accountability and the funding was racist and disablist. So how in terms of devolution is the Minister going to ensure that we properly resource and put in place appropriate monitoring to deliver for our children?"