Tuiono Teanau; O'Connor DamienTEANAU TUIONO (Green): Thank you Mr Chair and as the old guy in the Mainland cheese ad said Good things take time"—and so did that last speaker. But I wanted to begin by acknowledging the passage of this time of this bill all of the submitters who are passionate about organics—who are passionate about making sure that the food that we grow is in line with regenerative agriculture; in line with a holistic way of thinking and being. And I acknowledge the work that the Minister has done—there's quite a substantial Supplementary Order Paper (SOP) on the deck there as well—along with the Primary Production Committee who put spades in the ground on this particular bill as well. My Supplementary Order Paper is part of clause 1 and it reads as "… support agricultural production that works with ecological systems and sustains the health of soils ecosystems and people." And that's that holistic view that we've been talking about as well.I acknowledge that there has been movement in the title from just being about organic products to acknowledging that actually it's about the production. The way that these products are produced—that is where the value is added. That is what when you see it on the shelves actually adds that extra value. That is what consumers are looking for as well; that is what growers and producers are looking for as well.So from the perspective of the Greens this naturally flows down into the purpose of the bill and from our perspective this could be better refined to reflect what the bill is intended to do. So my question to the Minister is if he could reflect on the change of the title of the bill and this new purpose that we've outlined in our Supplementary Order Paper. And I just wanted to reflect and acknowledge Organics Aotearoa. I look back at their submission to the select committee and they did indicate and talk about this; but because there's been so much movement and growth—which is a good thing. Like this House when I was looking at it half an hour earlier it was emptier but it has organically grown for more and more members in the House as well.Also I wanted to acknowledge the Hon James Shaw who cannot wait for this bill to be passed—but of course we must ask some questions Minister.Hon DAMIEN O'CONNOR (Minister of Agriculture): Thank you very much I'll take the opportunity to answer a couple of questions that have been put up. Regarding the SOP from the member and from the Green Party—look I understand the intent of it and it's a kind of follow-on from the definition in the bill but then the unintended consequences of that might be that as he's put up here "support agricultural production". You know horticultural production is not specified in that and then some organic products—which are what we're looking to cover—are in things like shampoo and such; they're not just the things that we consume. So that's why the definition is a little open: it puts in place a process for the sectors to define what they think is organic production so it is a framework for flexibility. And the further down in terms of the specifications of what is organic then the tighter that will control options into the future. So we will not be supporting that—not that we object to the intent; it's just that sometimes more is less and in terms of how this bill and how the organics systems will evolve then I think the SOP might constrain that into the future. Regarding the ACT Party's SOP—and they wished to have the "[organic] producer [as one] producing and selling products only for the local market." Well that is an exemption for them—CHAIRPERSON (Greg O'Connor): That's on part 2.Hon DAMIEN O'CONNOR: Sorry it's on part 2. Sorry I forgot that we weren't just basing it on the bill as a whole."