Prime Willow-JeanWILLOW-JEAN PRIME (Labour—Northland): E te Māngai o te Whare tēnā koe. It's been quite difficult to sit through this debate this afternoon and listen to the contributions from the other side. I was told to get out of my office and go for a walk down Courtenay Place. I challenge the other side to get out of your office and go for a walk through Moeroa and Kaikohe. I challenge the other side to get out of your office—not go to the Hawke's Bay but come to Te Tai Tokerau come to Northland come to the communities come to the people with lived experience who are trying to change the futures for their whānau and for our communities. I challenge you to come and meet with some of those people who are doing it without funding—doing it without funding—who I have been trying to find funding for and have successfully gotten funding for those with lived experience from methamphetamine addictions who are doing wonderful work in our communities to change the futures for their whānau and for our communities. So I challenge you: come to Kaikohe come to Moeroa come to the Tai Tokerau.I challenge you over there who say you're here to represent the taxpayers. Do you know it costs a lot more money to keep people in prisons than what we have committed to and contributed to here to try to change the status quo to change lives to change communities?Hon Carmel Sepuloni: Not write them off.WILLOW-JEAN PRIME: That's right—not write them off. And so I have found it very difficult to sit through the debate this afternoon and to hear that this is about race that this is racism. It just shows me that you have absolutely no understanding of people's experiences—intergenerational issues that we have here. Do you know any of these people? You criticised us on the other side that we happen to be related to some of these people and somehow it's our failing that we have not been able to change something that is intergenerational like it's a quick fix. And actually to the other side I would like to quote your former Minister who actually supported these initiatives and gave funding because what the former Minister for Social Development Anne Tolley said in reference to those initiatives in 2016 which you all supported was that these trials are working on the ground with gang families who are actually willing to change because that is the first step to get through. And she rightly went on to say You cannot change overnight what has taken generations to produce." So let's not make this a race-based argument; let's look at the facts. Who are the people that are suffering because of this and why is it that they are disproportionately represented in this particular issue? This is not about racism or race-baited debates in the House this afternoon. Look at the facts and address the issue.Now that I've got that off my chest I am really passionate about this. You know the Minister for Corrections MP for Te Tai Tokerau Kelvin Davis and I have sat amongst groups in our communities who would fit this category that you're talking about Mr Brown who you don't want to fund who many are nervous of or have this perception about them. But it wasn't until I sat with them that I heard their stories their testimonies first hand; that I saw the work that they are doing to connect to other people in their situation with addictions and with long histories of gang affiliation trying to break that cycle trying to turn it around. It is not easy and I can see that. But when I sat amongst those people I was so moved because what I saw is that these people with lived experience were able to connect with others who are struggling with addiction who are struggling to break the cycle of whānau violence of trauma of this intergenerational issue that we have. I was moved by it. I was convinced that they have to be given this opportunity to be able to try and change the status quo and that we have to find it within ourselves to look to how we might be able to support that and not continue to just write them off and basically say "For you and yours to come this is your future." I do not support this bill."