English Bill: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
English Bill: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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3.  
Hon BILL ENGLISH (Deputy Leader—National) 
 to the  
Minister of Justice 
: Is it the Government’s policy that any person who knowingly spends more than $120000 in an election year encouraging people not to vote for the Government should be liable for imprisonment of up to 2 years and a fine of up to $100000? 
Hon ANNETTE KING (Minister of Justice) 
: 
 Any person who knowingly breaks any law must be prepared to face the consequences. 
Rodney Hide 
: I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. I ask you to rule on whether the Minister has addressed that question which was put down on notice. It is an important issue for the debate to be held later today for all the parties in this House. I suggest to you that that answer was a bit light because it could be an answer to any particular question about any particular law when the question was quite specific. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: I think the Minister did address the question. 
Hon Bill English 
: Is it the Government’s policy that any person who intends to spend over $12000 in an election year on publicity that could be construed as political advertising must register as a third party appoint a financial agent and meet a number of other requirements and if that person does not do that then he or she will also be liable for imprisonment of up to 2 years and a fine of $100000? 
Hon ANNETTE KING 
: Yes. 
Hon Bill English 
: Can the Minister confirm that if Southland interests want to continue their campaign of criticism of the Government policy for the funding of polytechs then they will be bound to register as a third party if they intend to run one more advertisement after 1 January because the threshold is in fact $12000 of spending? 
Hon ANNETTE KING 
: If Southland and Mayor Tim wish to undertake advertising and stick with the issues none of this will apply to them any more than it would apply to their saying do not privatise accident compensation do not privatise the roads do not privatise our prisons do not privatise our schools—all of which are National Party policy. As long as they stick with the issues they are not covered. 
Hon Bill English 
: Is the Minister aware that if the police suspect that Southland interests are going to spend over $12000 and are not registered as a third party then the police have powers under the Electoral Finance Bill to search the Invercargill City Council or Mr Shadbolt’s home to find evidence of whether they have broken the law? 
Hon ANNETTE KING 
: I do not believe that Mayor Tim or his council would be so silly as to get themselves in that situation. They will stick with the issues. I suggest that the member should stop scaremongering. 
Hon Bill English 
: Does the Minister intend to read the bill or to advise the Prime Minister to read the bill where it defines a political advertisement as any form of words that encourages voters to vote for or against a party by reference to views positions or policies which would certainly include a campaign that refers to the Government and criticises its policy over funding polytechs thereby making Southland interests liable to up to 2 years’ imprisonment and a fine of $100000 even if they are spending only $12000? 
Hon ANNETTE KING 
: Both the Prime Minister and I have read the bill. I can say to the member— 
Hon Bill English 
: It’s about time. 
Hon ANNETTE KING 
: Oh “Mr Nasty”! 
Madam SPEAKER 
: Be seated please! This is the last warning. I do not care whether you are on the front bench of either side of the House you will be asked to leave. Would the Minister please just stick to the question. 
Hon ANNETTE KING 
: I am very happy to. Both the Prime Minister and I have read the bill. I say to the member that the Electoral Commission will be charged with making decisions on whether publications by third parties fall into the definition of an election advertisement not Mr English and not me. 
Hon Bill English 
: Is it the Government’s policy that the definition of an election advertisement is so wide and so uncertain and that the liabilities for breaking the law are so severe that they will have a chilling effect on criticism of the Government and it will take brave leadership such as that of Mayor Tim Shadbolt to run a campaign against the Government in an election year? 
Hon ANNETTE KING 
: No. 
Rt Hon Winston Peters 
: What is the special feature of this law that suggests that in the 3 months out from an election the activity would be legal—and therefore within the electoral law of this country—and soundly placed but if it is in the 9 or 10 months before an election it is somehow wrongly placed; what is the special feature that gets it from one position which the National Party supports to one that it does not? 
Hon ANNETTE KING 
: It is a simple matter of a large amount of money that the National Party intended to spend pretending that it would not have influenced the vote before the 3 months were up but would have influenced it after the 3 months. That is the nonsense we have had from the National Party. 
Rt Hon Winston Peters 
: Just to get this clear is the Minister saying that if an activity was undertaken in say next September for a November election then it would be OK but under the National Party interpretation if it happened in April it would not be OK; what is the special feature about that which is so much a matter of angst in the Opposition ranks today? 
Hon ANNETTE KING 
: That is a very good question; it goes right to the heart of this debate. The answer is that the National Party had planned to spend a lot of money between January and September—and therefore not counting in terms of an election—but once it got to the magical 3 months it would spend in that period and say that was OK. Everyone knows that was a nonsense. 
Rt Hon Winston Peters 
: Notwithstanding which month the expenditure occurs in is it a fact that in 2008 such expenditure will attract GST and therefore must be paid? 
Hon ANNETTE KING 
: We have explicitly put into the bill that the expenditure does incur GST. You see the National Party did not pay it and has not paid it but we have made sure that it cannot make the mistake next time. It is in the bill. 
Rt Hon Winston Peters 
: Has the Minister of Justice—seeing as she occupies that most distinguished and important role—made submissions to the Minister of Revenue because clearly the head of the Inland Revenue Department is not enforcing the law? If GST is outstanding then legal action should have been taken against the National Party. 
Hon ANNETTE KING 
: No I have not made such representations but I suggest that maybe the member having raised the issue in front of the Minister of Revenue might like to take it up with him.