Edmonds Barbara; Bishop Chris; Pugh MaureenHon BARBARA EDMONDS (Labour—Mana): Thank you Madam Chair. A great attempt but not quite. There are a lot of questions on this side of the House. I stress to those new members of this House: this bill is going under urgency there is absolutely no select committee process on it; therefore I think it is more than fair that the members on this side of the House who have call after call who have a number of questions—that's why the Chamber is so full it's because we've got so many questions in relation to this bill. The Minister just before has acknowledged that even people in the public even though it's on X or Twitter or whatever you may call it are also asking questions. So therefore my question really will be short to the Minister because I really want to clearly understand—because when we get out of this House whenever that is because this side of the House has lots of questions and I suspect that it's going to take a number of hours to get through them—when this bill goes through I have a huge question in relation to clause 7. That is in relation to the regulation to uphold other arrangements.So there have been about three different questions from three different members in relation to the operation and the reconciliation of clause 7. One is this in relation to Treaty settlements or arrangements only as part of the fast-track consenting; I think the Minister made it clear that yes it was around fast-track consenting only. There was another question from the MP for Manurewa Arena Williams around who were the hapū and the iwi who have actually entered into these arrangements and the Minister has clarified that there were none. So the Minister also said that there were none this is belt and braces and it's going to revert back to the Resource Management Act (RMA). I was listening to the Minister's answers at the time.However that is my question as to how that reversion back to the RMA reconciles with clause 7 because clause 7 takes it out of primary legislation and therefore gives a secondary legislation - making power to the executive in relation to these Mana Whakahono ā Rohe joint arrangements. How does that actually work? How does that reconcile? I ask the Minister to put it very clearly on record how it reconciles because his comments—given we don't have a select committee in relation to this—in relation to the Hansard I think will be very important for iwi when they go back and they engage in this if they don't believe that this legislation is very fair if they decide to enter into a joint arrangement.So I ask the Minister in very clear layman's terms to absolutely expressly provide the policy intent for clause 7—how it reconciles with the RMA—because it is a secondary legislation - making power so that iwi and hapū who may be listening to this debate or in future once they realise what actually is happening have a very clear policy intent as to what the Minister on that side of House intended with that provision.Hon CHRIS BISHOP (Minister responsible for RMA Reform): Thank you very much Madam Chair. I thank the members for the good questions. In relation to the Hon Peeni Henare's questions Mana Whakahono ā Rohe made under the Resource Management Act continue with no changes. Clause 11—that I think he was talking about—relates to Mana Whakahono ā Rohe initiated under the Natural and Built Environment Act of which there are none at this point.Hon Members: Madam Chair.Hon CHRIS BISHOP: Hang on I'm still going! The member asked about clause 5 which is the process for upholding Treaty settlements. I'm advised that this is basically a belts and braces approach. It's there if it's required to make any changes pursuant to a fast-track process that is undertaken. So it's there if required.Of course in relation to the question he asked around what process the Crown will go through with KPIs I will follow the law. I'm a guy who believes in the rule of law.Hon Grant Robertson: First time for everything.Hon CHRIS BISHOP: Well that's—that's—that's—Hon Grant Robertson: It was a joke.Hon CHRIS BISHOP: OK. All right. I'll take it in the spirit with which it was intended. We're a Government that follows the rule of law.Thirdly in relation to the Hon Barbara Edmonds' question the regulation-making powers—there's nothing particularly unusual about this. This is a standard regulatory-making power again if required in relation to the matters that it gives effect to. Again it's belts and braces for those that are required.CHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh): Before I take the next call can I just remind members that we will be looking for new material. Some of this is becoming quite repetitive.