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Roy Eric: Marriage (Definition of Marriage) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Roy Eric: Marriage (Definition of Marriage) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 27 March 2013. Volume:688;Page:9049. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: If no other member is seeking the call I think it would be helpful to the Committee if I explain the process a little bit from this point on. Because I am going to commence the voting without a closure motion if we are not concluded at 10 o’clock the voting will stop at the conclusion of the vote that crosses the 10 o’clock mark. I am not predicting that will happen. I am just saying that in the eventuality that happens— 
Hon Trevor Mallard 
: Stop filibustering! 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: Ha ha! The second point I wish to make is when it comes to amendments I think there are four or five and starting with Su’a William Sio we will vote on these chronologically as they were tabled. If the first one passes with a majority it negatives the subsequent ones. So members need to be quite clear in their minds which of those amendments is the one that they personally want to follow. I need to explain that before we start. 
The third issue I wish to just acquaint the Committee with is from Standing Order 298(1) and I will read it for you: “A committee of the whole House considers a bill to determine whether the bill properly incorporates the principles or objects of the bill as read a second time by the House.” So the second reading declares the intent of the House in relation to the bill. In that regard the House voted down an amendment to have a referendum. So the first point is that the two amendments one in the name of Brendan Horan and the other in the name of the Rt Hon Winston Peters to have a referendum are out of order because of Standing Order 298(1) when the House has already declared its intent. 
So we move to the amendment in the name of Su’a William Sio. The question is— 
Brendan Horan 
: I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. My referendum was distinctly different from that proposed in Supplementary Order Paper 188 and I have cleared that with the House. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: Yes. The issue of referendum is the guiding principle upon which that is made. I have sought advice. I have consulted with the various references that we have available to us and the two amendments are out of order. So the question is that Su’a William Sio’s amendment to replace clause 5A—
Goodhew Jo: Marriage (Definition of Marriage) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Goodhew Jo: Marriage (Definition of Marriage) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 27 March 2013. Volume:688;Page:9041. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon JO GOODHEW (Minister for the Community and Voluntary Sector) 
: 
 I had not intended to take a call but I am here in the Chamber on what we call duty and I have decided that I will do in fact what I suppose is my duty. My duty is not only to vote on this bill the Marriage (Definition of Marriage) Amendment Bill but to lay on the record the reasons why I will be voting for this bill. Many of my constituents have been surprised at my positive support for the bill and many of them have contacted me and sought to turn my view round. In some cases they have demanded that I turn my view round and in many cases they have sought to persuade me. We have over the course of this bill read a lot of the information from Family First New Zealand. It has come repeatedly to our in-boxes. 
 But the reasons I am voting for this bill are several. Firstly I do not believe that my marriage or the marriage of other New Zealanders will be in any way diminished by this bill. In fact it is because I believe so strongly in marriage and my marriage that I understand why other couples want to be married too and I do not see why I should have that privilege that right when other people in loving relationships and relationships that they enter into for life just as I did cannot have that privilege as well—and therein lies the equality. I do not subscribe to the stories of the moral decline that will surely follow the passing of this bill and I have found it unfortunate that some of the language that I have been treated to has been so strident and a little unfortunate. I have made the point that I respect other people’s views and would never ask them to do anything to contravene their views. I ask only the same for me. I do want to add to the record that some of the most poignant stories have been the stories that I cannot tell because they are the stories of individuals who have also contacted me and told me how important this is to them. 
I am going to finish there but I am pleased that I have now set the record straight as to why I will be supporting this bill. One of the last things I will lay on the record is that I am very concerned as I have already mentioned that no one should have to take action in a way that contravenes their beliefs and for that reason I will be voting for one of the Supplementary Order Papers which I hope adds to the Committee’s complete conviction that no person should have to perform a marriage—no celebrant or member of the clergy—if it is against their beliefs. I am voting for that in the hope that it will further add to the record our conviction about that. Thank you.
Robertson H V Ross: Marriage (Definition of Marriage) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Is the member seeking another call? 
Paul Goldsmith 
: No that is enough. Thank you.
Robertson H V Ross: Marriage (Definition of Marriage) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Are members calling? I call the honourable member Tim Horan. 
Hon Members 
: Brendan. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Brendan. I am sorry. I will put my glasses on.
Robertson H V Ross: Marriage (Definition of Marriage) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Robertson H V Ross: Marriage (Definition of Marriage) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: The Committee of the whole House is resumed. Kia ora tatou no reira e te Whare e nga iwi e nga reo e nga hau e wha. Tena koutou tena koutou tena koutou katoa. 
Hon Judith Collins 
: Kia ora. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Well thank you Mrs Collins. Honourable members when we were debating this prior to the dinner break the Rt Hon Winston Peters had the call and he had just completed his call. I remember him doing so. So I am going to invite some other member to seek the call.
Calder Cam: Holidays (Full Recognition of Waitangi Day and ANZAC Day) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Dr CAM CALDER (National) 
: 
 I would just like to make a final contribution on this bill the Holidays (Full Recognition of Waitangi Day and ANZAC Day) Amendment Bill and just repeat that Anzac Day is a day of respect a day of commemoration— 
Barbara Stewart 
: It always is. 
Dr CAM CALDER 
: —a day of reflection—I agree—and a day of significance. It is actually unique. It marks the sacrifices of generation after generation. It is a special day. If Anzac Day falls on a weekend and there is no extra holiday then so be it—so be it. If anything that underscores the extremely special nature of that day. In fact if you think about it it is a very small price to pay—a small price to pay—for New Zealanders of today given the ultimate sacrifice made by the servicemen and servicewomen of yesterday. I oppose this bill.
Vote: Habeas Corpus Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
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Vote: Habeas Corpus Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
[Sitting date: 27 March 2013. Volume:688;Page:9003. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Habeas Corpus Amendment Bill be now read a third time. 
Ayes 114 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; Maori Party 3; Mana 1; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1; Independent: Horan. 
Noes 7 
New Zealand First 7. 
Bill read a third time.
Simpson Scott: Habeas Corpus Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
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Simpson Scott: Habeas Corpus Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
[Sitting date: 27 March 2013. Volume:688;Page:9003. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
SCOTT SIMPSON (National—Coromandel) 
: 
 It is a great pleasure to rise in support of this very good bill in the name of my colleague Christopher Auchinvole. This Habeas Corpus Amendment Bill is one that I endorse. I commend it to the House with great enthusiasm.
Dalziel Lianne: Habeas Corpus Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
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Dalziel Lianne: Habeas Corpus Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
[Sitting date: 27 March 2013. Volume:688;Page:9003. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon LIANNE DALZIEL (Labour—Christchurch East) 
: 
 I would like to endorse the comments of all the members in the House and just simply record as one of my colleagues told me today—in fact Maryan Street; I shall name her—that habeas corpus means “you have the body”. I do appreciate that the member has brought the Habeas Corpus Amendment Bill to the House.
Graham Kennedy: Habeas Corpus Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
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Dr KENNEDY GRAHAM (Green) 
: 
 The Green Party has supported the Habeas Corpus Amendment Bill all the way through the House since the beginning supported it through the Justice and Electoral Committee and supported the amendments as reported back. It is—and we agree with Chris Auchinvole Andrew Little and others—a fundamentally important piece of legislation if uncontroversial. It is a bill that addresses the central principles of Western democracy and our constitutional system should not be taken lightly. 
The only controversial point it seems through the passage of the bill—setting aside a touch of humour here and there and some of it in Latin—is whether what should essentially be seen as part of the governmental legislative programme should find its way into the members’ ballot. We for our part query that and intend to pursue it in other forum. But we are happy none the less to support the bill and in the most constructive spirit possible commend Chris Auchinvole for his work on this.
Little Andrew: Habeas Corpus Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
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[Sitting date: 27 March 2013. Volume:688;Page:9002. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
ANDREW LITTLE (Labour) 
: 
 I thought that in a moment of injustice I was going to be deprived of an opportunity to speak in the great House on the “great writ”! So I am very pleased to take this call on this very important piece of legislation the Habeas Corpus Amendment Bill. As Mr Auchinvole has rightly said habeas corpus goes to the heart of democracy and the sort of justice system that we celebrate and enjoy in this country. It has its origins as far back as 1215 in the Magna Carta and the injunction there to prevent the arbitrary arrest and detention of peasants and the other citizenry by the monarch and the feudal lords. Of course that is as much a risk today in some quarters as it was then some might suspect. 
It is so important to our system of justice—and I do not wish to be dramatic in saying this—which frankly is under threat today. It is not because of that member nor I might add because of the Hon Chester Borrows although I have some criticisms of his performance but because we have in New Zealand today the worst Minister of Justice we have had in more than a generation—a Minister of Justice who is presiding over cuts cutbacks and deprivation of access to justice in a way that we have not seen in the history of this great country. We are seeing it not just in the Family Court and we are seeing it not just in the District Courts—and this is where Chester Borrows does know a thing or two because he is busily closing them down and he has only this week closed down the Upper Hutt District Court and of course courts in his own region—but we are seeing it in cuts to the budget for the Crown Law Office and the Public Defenders Office and in a whole host of areas in legal aid. This is all adding up to a very serious erosion of principles of justice and most important access to justice. 
Habeas corpus has at its heart the right of citizens not only to be deprived of arbitrary arrest and detention but if that happens or is alleged to have happened to be brought before a court to have it tested and this House should never lightly interfere with the High Court’s jurisdiction in this area. This bill creates some sensible reforms and some expeditious measures about habeas corpus but let us not understate the value of it and let us not forget that we have a justice system that frankly is under threat at the moment and upon which more work will be required. But we will support this bill.
Robertson H V Ross: Habeas Corpus Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
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[Sitting date: 27 March 2013. Volume:688;Page:9002. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Is the member calling? 
Andrew Little 
: Yes. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I call the honourable member Andrew Little. We were both stumbling for a minute.
Robertson H V Ross: Voting — Correction—Social Security (Benefit Categories and Work Focus) Amendment Bill 
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Robertson H V Ross: Voting — Correction—Social Security (Benefit Categories and Work Focus) Amendment Bill 
[Sitting date: 27 March 2013. Volume:688;Page:9001. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: On 26 March when the House in Committee was considering the Social Security (Benefit Categories and Work Focus) Amendment Bill the result of the vote on the closure motion in respect of Part 2 was incorrectly announced as Ayes 64 Noes 57. The correct result is Ayes 61 Noes 60. The record will be amended accordingly.
Robertson H V Ross: General Debate 
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Robertson H V Ross: General Debate 
[Sitting date: 27 March 2013. Volume:688;Page:9001. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Just before I go to the next order of business of the House can I just caution the House about personal reflections under Standing Order 117. There was a reflection made that indicated lack of courage and that is totally out of order. I would just remind members that all members in this House are honourable and that when we point one finger at someone else we have three pointing at ourselves.
Voting — Correction—Social Security (Benefit Categories and Work Focus) Amendment Bill 
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Voting — Correction—Social Security (Benefit Categories and Work Focus) Amendment Bill 
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Voting 
Correction—Social Security (Benefit Categories and Work Focus) Amendment Bill 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: On 26 March when the House in Committee was considering the Social Security (Benefit Categories and Work Focus) Amendment Bill the result of the vote on the closure motion in respect of Part 2 was incorrectly announced as Ayes 64 Noes 57. The correct result is Ayes 61 Noes 60. The record will be amended accordingly.
Robertson Grant: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Robertson Grant: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Sitting date: 27 March 2013. Volume:688;Page:8983. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
12. 
GRANT ROBERTSON (Deputy Leader—Labour) 
 to the  
Minister responsible for the GCSB 
: Did GCSB Director Ian Fletcher attend the three briefings he received from GCSB in February 2012; if not which if any of the briefings did Ian Fletcher attend? 
Rt Hon JOHN KEY (Minister responsible for the GCSB) 
: 
 I am advised that Ian Fletcher was present on the three occasions I met with the Government Communications Security Bureau in February 2012. 
Grant Robertson 
: Noting his previous statements that he is not briefed on operational matters by the Government Communications Security Bureau was he briefed on the outcomes of Government Communications Security Bureau operations at his 24 February meeting? 
Rt Hon JOHN KEY 
: Not on the advice I have of the notes of that meeting. 
Grant Robertson 
: Given that answer what are the meetings he has with the Government Communications Security Bureau about? 
Rt Hon JOHN KEY 
: It is not my normal practice to answer those details but because the member is so prone to conspiracy theories the director came to me to sign a warrant and I signed it on the 24th. 
Grant Robertson 
: Given that the Government Communications Security Bureau received an email from police on 22 February 2012 that indicated that the three targets of the Dotcom surveillance were New Zealand residents and therefore the surveillance was in breach of the Government Communications Security Bureau rules does he not think that Ian Fletcher should have informed him of that at his meeting 2 days later? 
Rt Hon JOHN KEY 
: No the correct process was that the situation in terms of the legality of the actions that the Government Communications Security Bureau had undertaken in relation to Operation Debut needed to be clarified. The bureau went to its chief legal adviser. The chief legal adviser advised the bureau that it was legal. As we all know that was actually wrong. 
Grant Robertson 
: What role if any did he play in recommending the appointment of Ian Fletcher as Director of the Government Communications Security Bureau?
Simpson Scott: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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10. 
SCOTT SIMPSON (National—Coromandel) 
 to the  
Minister of Justice 
: What recent report has she received showing that crime is falling under this Government? 
Hon JUDITH COLLINS (Minister of Justice) 
: 
 Yesterday the latest conviction and youth prosecution statistics were published on the Statistics New Zealand website. These show crime is continuing to fall and New Zealand is becoming an even safer place to live in. The number of adults charged in court last year decreased by 7 percent from the previous year and the total number of charges laid reduced by 5 percent. Since this Government has been in office the numbers of people charged and charges laid have reduced by 19 percent and 18 percent. 
Scott Simpson 
: What do the statistics show for other users in the criminal justice system? 
Hon JUDITH COLLINS 
: I am delighted to confirm that the number of children and young people appearing in our criminal courts last year was down to 3018. That is a reduction of 500 on the previous year and the lowest number since 1992. The number of people charged with violent offences has decreased in the past 4 years by 17 percent. At the same time conviction rates have increased to 74 percent showing our criminal prosecutions are more effective. Reducing crime is of huge benefit for all New Zealanders.
Dalziel Lianne: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Dalziel Lianne: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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9. 
Hon LIANNE DALZIEL (Labour—Christchurch East) 
 to the  
Minister for Canterbury Earthquake Recovery 
: Will he extend the deadline for residential red zone property owners who have been offered only 50 percent of rating valuation for their land? 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (Minister for Canterbury Earthquake Recovery) 
: 
 No. 
Hon Lianne Dalziel 
: Is he aware that this offer is now being investigated by the Human Rights Commission the Auditor-General and the Ombudsman that there are court proceedings already filed by some owners and another major action about to be filed and that the Finance and Expenditure Committee is hearing a petition on this matter and are not they reason enough to extend the deadline? 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE 
: No. These are voluntary offers that are made to people who are in difficult circumstances and they have a choice as to whether or not they accept them. Further the numbers that the member is talking about are relatively small—we estimate about 110 households. The deadline will not be extended. 
Hon Lianne Dalziel 
: Is he aware that some of these ratepayers have had as little as 12 weeks from the date they received the formal offer from the Canterbury Earthquake Recovery Authority and given that some of them are facing financial ruin for heartbreaking reasons could he extend the deadline so their circumstances can be addressed? 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE 
: The amount of time they have had for settlement will depend on the date on which they sent their consent to receive a settlement offer. So I say again that we are not extending the deadline. 
Denis O’Rourke 
: Why is 50 percent of the 2007 rating value the fair and correct figure to offer when there is no independent advice or relevant criteria to support that? 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE 
: Because the estimated market valuation of those properties is on average $2600 and the offer of 50 percent of the 2007 valuation is many many times greater than that. 
Hon Lianne Dalziel 
: How does he respond to Bryan Ellis who has owned the Bexley Garage for 47 years which is still operating and who faces a loss of $265000 on his land rating valuation with the 50 percent offer? 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE 
: There are thousands of New Zealanders who have made investments that they could not insure who have suffered equal losses but they are not coming to the Government to make good those losses.
Bennett David: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Bennett David: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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8. 
DAVID BENNETT (National—Hamilton East) 
 to the  
Associate Minister of Transport 
: What recent announcements has he made on transport safety? 
Hon MICHAEL WOODHOUSE (Associate Minister of Transport) 
: 
 Today I had the pleasure of launching the Safer Journeys Action Plan 2013-2015. The plan addresses some of the tougher and more complex road safety problems and represents a transformative approach to the goal of a safe road system increasingly free of death and serious injury. The economic cost of injury is significant estimated to be more than $3 billion a year and the human cost is immeasurable. Since 2010 the Government has introduced significant improvements to safety and it is reassuring to see a reduction of around 20 percent in the number of people— 
Hon Members 
: Speech! Speech! 
Hon MICHAEL WOODHOUSE 
: You see they do not seem to think— 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Order! Just complete the answer. 
Hon MICHAEL WOODHOUSE 
: —in the number of people killed and injured on our roads but although progress has been made more still needs to be done. 
David Bennett 
: What are some of the milestones highlighted in the action plan? 
Hon MICHAEL WOODHOUSE 
: The milestones in the plan include a high-risk intersection programme a vehicle fleet programme looking at the exit of older less safe vehicles from our roads options for blood-alcohol concentration limits for various classes of drivers and a speed-management programme focusing on appropriate travel speeds. Safer Journeys builds on the great work achieved from the first action plan and can I take this opportunity— 
Hon Members 
: No! 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Order! [ 
Interruption 
] Order! I think the answer has been quite sufficient. I thank the Minister.
Mitchell Mark: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Mitchell Mark: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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6. 
MARK MITCHELL (National—Rodney) 
 to the  
Minister for Economic Development 
: What progress is being made in encouraging firms to invest in New Zealand through the Business Growth Agenda? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE (Minister for Economic Development) 
: 
 The National Government is implementing a wide array of initiatives to encourage firms to invest in New Zealand to support jobs and to further grow the economy. For example we are encouraging oil and gas exploration. In Taranaki last week the Prime Minister opened the Todd Corporation’s 100 megawatt gas-fired McKee power plant and Methanex has recently committed to restarting methanol production at Waitara. In Hawke’s Bay we are working with the local council on the Ruataniwha Water Storage project aimed at providing more reliable water resources in the highly productive Ruataniwha Basin. In Auckland we are constructing the $1.4 billion Waterview Connection the biggest transport construction project in New Zealand’s history which is the key to reducing congestion across Auckland’s motorway network and encouraging economic growth in our largest city. 
Mark Mitchell 
: What is the Government doing to encourage more investment in innovation in New Zealand? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE 
: The Government is working hard across the country to encourage more firms to invest in research and development and innovation. We are currently investing $115 million a year in research and development co-funding and on 1 February this year we launched Callaghan Innovation which will play an important role in encouraging more business innovation in high-value manufacturing and services. Just today we have seen encouraging data from Statistics New Zealand which shows spending on research and development by Kiwi businesses went up to $1.2 billion last year. That is up 25 percent since 2010 and it is achieving a far better result than the previous Government achieved with its abortive research and development tax credits. 
Mark Mitchell 
: What reports has he seen about support for the Government’s Business Growth Agenda initiatives? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE 
: I have seen a number of what could be described only as varying reports. I have seen comments relating to development of our natural resources saying that “… undeveloped coal reserves should be left in the ground.” and that “The oil and gas isn’t going anywhere so what’s the rush?”. I have seen comments describing our programme for major irrigation projects as “ill-considered”. I have seen comments relating to key infrastructure development like the Waterview Connection saying that “We would revisit it … only if that was still possible and it was not too advanced.” These comments came from MPs Maryan Street Moana Mackey David Parker and someone called David Shearer who are all opposed to development.
Visitors — Brunei—Sultan Myanmar—Speaker House of Representatives 
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Wednesday 27 March 2013 
Mr Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Prayers 
. 
Visitors 
Brunei—Sultan 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Honourable members I have much pleasure in informing the House that His Majesty Sultan Haji Hassanal Bolkiah Sultan Yang di-Pertuan and Prime Minister of Brunei Darussalam is within the precincts of the Chamber. I am sure that members would wish that he be welcomed and accorded a seat to the left of the Chair. 
His Majesty Sultan Haji Hassanal Bolkiah accompanied by the Minister of Internal Affairs entered the Chamber and took a seat on the left of the Chair. 
Myanmar—Speaker House of Representatives 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Honourable members I have much pleasure in informing the House that a delegation from the Myanmar Lower House led by the Hon Thura U Shwe Mann Speaker of the House is within the precincts of this Chamber. I am sure that members would wish that the delegation be welcomed and that the Speaker be accorded a seat on the left of the Chair. 
Hon Thura U Shwe Mann accompanied by the Deputy Speaker entered the Chamber and took a seat on the left of the Chair.
Vote: Marriage (Definition of Marriage) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Marriage (Definition of Marriage) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 27 March 2013. Volume:688;Page:9051. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A personal vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment to the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 35 
Adams 
Goodhew (P) 
McCully (P) 
Sabin (P) 
Bakshi (P) 
Hayes 
McKelvie 
Sio 
Barry 
Heatley (P) 
Mitchell 
Smith (P) 
Bennett D 
Horan 
Ngaro 
Tremain (P) 
Borrows 
Hutchison 
O’Connor D (P) 
Upston 
Brownlee (P) 
King C 
O’Connor S (P) 
Yang 
English (P) 
Lee 
Robertson R 
Young (P) 
Gilmore (P) 
Lotu-Iiga 
Roy (P) 
Teller 
Goldsmith 
McClay 
Ryall 
Macindoe 
Noes 80 
Ardern J (P) 
Fenton (P) 
Little (P) 
Shearer (P) 
Auchinvole 
Finlayson (P) 
Logie (P) 
Simpson (P) 
Banks (P) 
Flavell 
Lole-Taylor 
Stewart 
Beaumont 
Foss (P) 
Mackey 
Street 
Bennett P (P) 
Genter 
Mahuta (P) 
Tirikatene (P) 
Blue (P) 
Goff 
Martin 
Tisch (P) 
Browning 
Graham 
Mathers 
Turei 
Calder (P) 
Guy (P) 
McKelvie (P) 
Turia (P) 
Carter (P) 
Hague 
Moroney 
Twyford (P) 
Clark (P) 
Harawira (P) 
Norman (P) 
Wagner (P) 
Clendon (P) 
Henare (P) 
O’Rourke 
Walker (P) 
Collins (P) 
Hipkins 
Parata (P) 
Wall (P) 
Cosgrove (P) 
Horomia (P) 
Parker (P) 
Wilkinson (P) 
Cunliffe 
Hughes 
Peters (P) 
Williams (P) 
Curran 
Huo (P) 
Prasad 
Williamson (P) 
Dalziel 
Jones (P) 
Prosser 
Woods 
Dean (P) 
Joyce 
Robertson G 
Delahunty 
Kaye 
Roche (P) 
Dunne (P) 
Key (P) 
Ross 
Dyson 
King A 
Sage 
Teller: 
Faafoi 
Lees-Galloway 
Sharples (P) 
Mallard 
Amendment to the amendment not agreed to.
Vote: Marriage (Definition of Marriage) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A personal vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 22 
Adams 
Macindoe 
O’Connor S (P) 
Upston 
Bakshi (P) 
McClay 
Robertson R 
Yang 
Borrows 
McCully (P) 
Roy (P) 
Young (P) 
Horan 
Mitchell 
Ryall 
Lee 
Ngaro 
Sabin (P) 
Teller 
Lotu-Iiga 
O’Connor D (P) 
Tirikatene (P) 
Sio 
Noes 88 
Ardern J (P) 
Faafoi 
Key (P) 
Sage 
Auchinvole 
Fenton (P) 
King A 
Sharples (P) 
Banks (P) 
Finlayson (P) 
King C 
Shearer (P) 
Barry 
Flavell 
Lees-Galloway 
Simpson (P) 
Beaumont 
Foss (P) 
Little (P) 
Stewart 
Bennett D 
Genter 
Logie (P) 
Street 
Bennett P (P) 
Goff 
Lole-Taylor 
Tisch (P) 
Blue (P) 
Goodhew (P) 
Mackey 
Tremain (P) 
Browning 
Graham 
Mahuta (P) 
Turei 
Calder (P) 
Guy (P) 
Martin 
Turia (P) 
Carter (P) 
Hague 
Mathers 
Twyford (P) 
Clark (P) 
Harawira (P) 
McKelvie 
Wagner (P) 
Clendon (P) 
Hayes 
Moroney 
Walker (P) 
Collins (P) 
Heatley (P) 
Norman (P) 
Wall (P) 
Cosgrove (P) 
Henare (P) 
O’Rourke 
Wilkinson (P) 
Cunliffe 
Hipkins 
Parata (P) 
Williams (P) 
Curran 
Horomia (P) 
Parker (P) 
Williamson (P) 
Dalziel 
Hughes 
Peters (P) 
Woods 
Dean (P) 
Huo (P) 
Prasad 
Delahunty 
Hutchison 
Prosser 
Dunne (P) 
Jones (P) 
Robertson G 
Dyson 
Joyce 
Roche (P) 
Teller: 
English (P) 
Kaye 
Ross 
Mallard 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The result corrected after originally being announced as Ayes 22 Noes 87. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Mark Mitchell to the proposed amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 203 in the name of Tim Macindoe to new clause 5A be agreed to: 
replace new section 29(2)(a) with: 
(a)no marriage celebrant is obliged to solemnize a marriage if solemnizing that marriage would conflict with the religious or philosophical beliefs of the individual or of the religious body or approved organisation (if any) to which he or she belongs; and
Tisch Lindsay: Holidays (Full Recognition of Waitangi Day and ANZAC Day) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: I understand that there will be one question so the question is that clauses 1 to 8 and schedules 1 to 3 stand part.
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3. 
MAGGIE BARRY (National—North Shore) 
 to the  
Minister of Finance 
: What measures is the Government taking to help increase national savings? 
Hon PETER DUNNE (Minister of Revenue) 
 on behalf of the Minister of Finance: The Government has taken a number of measures to increase genuine savings and reduce New Zealand’s vulnerability to overseas lenders. We have set a path back to Budget surplus by 2014-15 when we can start repaying debt. We have reduced taxes on savings and work and increased taxes on consumption and housing speculation and we have embarked on a share offer programme in energy companies that will give everyday New Zealanders another option for their increased savings. Around 440000 New Zealanders have pre-registered their interest in buying shares in Mighty River Power. 
Maggie Barry 
: Why is it important that New Zealand increases national savings? 
Hon PETER DUNNE 
: It is important to do that because it actually helps reduce our longstanding and heavy reliance on overseas lenders which is New Zealand’s largest single vulnerability. Our net international liabilities at 31 December last year were $150 billion or 71.7 percent of GDP. Most of this is private sector debt built up over many years. The Government’s share is relatively small but it has increased significantly as we have run deficits. Although our international liabilities have improved from a peak of 85 percent of GDP in 2009 they remain high by world standards and that is why the Government is focused on policies that are genuinely designed to lift national savings. 
Maggie Barry 
: What changes has the Government made to KiwiSaver as part of its wider programme to increase savings? 
Hon PETER DUNNE 
: The Government announced a number of changes to KiwiSaver in Budget 2011. These were designed to encourage a higher level of savings amongst New Zealanders build a larger pool of local capital and make the KiwiSaver scheme more financially sustainable into the future. They included increasing the minimum employee contribution rate from 2 percent to 3 percent and at the same time increasing the compulsory employer contribution rate from 2 percent to 3 percent. Both of those changes take effect from 1 April. 
Maggie Barry 
: What impact are the higher employee and employer contributions expected to have on KiwiSaver savings? 
Hon PETER DUNNE 
: The changes are designed to ensure that KiwiSaver remains an attractive savings option for a growing number of New Zealanders and also to ensure that the scheme is financially sustainable into the future without the Government having to borrow heavily for subsidies and tax breaks. Overall KiwiSaver membership and total funds continue to grow strongly. We now have almost 2.1 million New Zealanders accumulating $15.4 billion in KiwiSaver funds and the funds are forecast to grow further to around $25 billion by 2015 and to almost $60 billion by 2021.
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Mr SPEAKER 
: Honourable members I have much pleasure in informing the House that a delegation from the Myanmar Lower House led by the Hon Thura U Shwe Mann Speaker of the House is within the precincts of this Chamber. I am sure that members would wish that the delegation be welcomed and that the Speaker be accorded a seat on the left of the Chair. 
Hon Thura U Shwe Mann accompanied by the Deputy Speaker entered the Chamber and took a seat on the left of the Chair.
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Mr SPEAKER 
: Honourable members I have much pleasure in informing the House that His Majesty Sultan Haji Hassanal Bolkiah Sultan Yang di-Pertuan and Prime Minister of Brunei Darussalam is within the precincts of the Chamber. I am sure that members would wish that he be welcomed and accorded a seat to the left of the Chair. 
His Majesty Sultan Haji Hassanal Bolkiah accompanied by the Minister of Internal Affairs entered the Chamber and took a seat on the left of the Chair.
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CHRIS HIPKINS (Labour—Rimutaka) 
: 
 I am very excited about this Local Electoral Amendment Bill (No 2). I want to start immediately by going to new section 103A in clause 27 which talks about a definition of the word “anonymous”. What is an anonymous donation? It would be fairly obvious to almost anybody at home listening in on the wireless or watching on TV what an anonymous donation is. It is clearly a donation that someone does not know where it has come from. The bill helpfully gives us a definition of an anonymous donation: “ ‘anonymous’ in relation to an electoral donation means a donation that is made in such a way that the candidate who receives the donation—(a) does not know the identity of the donor; and (b) could not in the circumstances reasonably be expected to know the identity of the donor”. 
So if somebody has lunch or dinner at a flash restaurant with someone and they give them an envelope with a cheque for 25 grand in it the candidate could reasonably be expected to know who was the donor. It is not an anonymous donation. But actually it gets better than that. If a candidate was flown by private helicopter to a donor’s house—mansion in fact with its giraffe—and given a donation there and that donor was to then put on a fireworks display for the whole city that is not an anonymous donation. That is a donation that a candidate could reasonably be expected to know about. 
So this of course is completely unnecessary. The only reason we are debating what actually is an anonymous donation is that John Banks filed a return that he knew was not true. He filed a return that he knew was not true and claimed that he had received anonymous donations even though he had personally solicited them and had personally been given them. He broke the law and he got away with it. He got away with it only because the time frame for a prosecution had lapsed— 
Progress to be reported presently. 
House resumed. 
The Chairperson reported the Social Security (Benefit Categories and Work Focus) Amendment Bill with amendment the Student Loan Scheme Amendment Bill (No 2) with amendment and progress on the Local Electoral Amendment Bill (No 2). 
Report adopted.
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 72 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand First 7; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1; Independent: Horan. 
Noes 49 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; Mana 1. 
Motion agreed to. 
Clause 1 agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 185 in the name of the Hon Peter Dunne to clause 2 be agreed to.
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 72 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand First 7; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1; Independent: Horan. 
Noes 49 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; Mana 1. 
Motion agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 185 in the name of the Hon Peter Dunne to Part 3 be agreed to. 
Amendments agreed to. 
Part 3 as amended agreed to.
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IAN McKELVIE (National—Rangitikei) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
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The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Just a point that the data-matching legislation is out of scope. It is not in Part 3.
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The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: I start at the Hon David Cunliffe.
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The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: Jacinda Ardern has a typescript amendment to clause 2. This is out of order as it relies on an indeterminate event. Members can refer to Speaker’s ruling 117/2.
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 106 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 34; New Zealand First 7; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1; Independent: Horan. 
Noes 15 
Green Party 14; Mana 1. 
Amendments agreed to. 
Clause 2 as amended agreed to. 
Bill to be reported with amendment presently.
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The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: Carol Beaumont.
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That clause 2 be agreed to. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 60 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Maori Party 3; Mana 1; Independent: Horan. 
Clause 2 agreed to.
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That clause 3 be agreed to. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 60 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Maori Party 3; Mana 1; Independent: Horan. 
Clause 3 agreed to. 
Bill to be reported with amendment presently.
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That schedule 6 as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 60 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Maori Party 3; Mana 1; Independent: Horan. 
Schedule 6 as amended agreed to.
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That schedule 7 as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 60 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Maori Party 3; Mana 1; Independent: Horan. 
Schedule 7 as amended agreed to.
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 2 as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 60 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Maori Party 3; Mana 1; Independent: Horan. 
Part 2 as amended agreed to.