McDowall JamesDr JAMES McDOWALL (ACT): Thank you Madam Speaker. It's a pleasure to rise on behalf of ACT to give this bill support in the first reading to select committee. We commit to as much as that. Certainly we've got some questions around unintended consequences and things for the select committee to look at.So this is a small bill but with potentially a big punch and it does give a lot of power to the secondary legislation particularly the chief executive's rules so a little bit of clarity there is to just how far and wide this is going to go. Privacy is obviously a widely valued good and the collection of data when enforced has to be treated seriously. In particular some might say there's something objectionable about a New Zealander who's trying to return home being faced with quite a considerable fine if they simply forget to fill out a form and I do have question about that.But first we all understand the need for modernisation the digitisation of services hence we're going to support this at first reading. But is there actually a problem to be solved here specifically? The Minister herself stated in her first speech that our border is already smart and safe and this bill does seem very hypothetical at this stage.The New Zealand traveller declaration has been discussed as being possibly a bit of a template something that we can work off or look to. That travel declaration rest in peace was a bit of a nuisance for travellers. I did it myself crashed every printer I tried to print it out with. Then when I came back from Samoa with the recent delegation the Inland Revenue thought I was still in Samoa until recently. So I was getting threatening letters about my student loan. So something's going wrong with the digitisation. For any others who were on that trip with me they might want to check that as well with the IRD.So I do wonder about the built-in redundancy. How does that work? The Minister stated that there will still be a paper version that's available which is fine which is good. But that begs a question about enforceability of this regime so that if someone hasn't done the digital form and they're technically liable for a fine but then they can just opt to do the paper version instead so how does that kind of interact with each other? I just have to ask will travellers be able to amend if they've done it digitally their declaration at the last minute for whatever reason? This can happen. Perhaps someone has a change of heart or a change of realisation about something that they may have ticked no" but actually it really should be a "yes". So can they amend that or does it just have to be what it was two or three days—who knows how long? I mean the bill doesn't actually say the timing but how many days in advance is it that they just have to maintain that? If your grandmother sneaks some vegetables into your luggage before you travel to New Zealand what do you do in that situation?So certainly we have some questions and concerns but we're happy to support it. We would also like the select committee to just have a think about the cybersecurity risks associated with this. This is a lot of data official data that's being plugged into the system and with all the travellers coming to New Zealand what happens if there is some sort of geopolitical issue if a foreign Government hacks the system and sits there mining data from our citizens and people visiting New Zealand? What happens in that situation? How do we respond?So I think broadly we're reasonably happy with this. There'll certainly be some concerns around data and the collection of data as there should be. But we'll leave that for the select committee for the time being. Thank you Madam Speaker."