O'Connor SimonSIMON O'CONNOR (National—Tāmaki): Yeah it's probably true actually Kieran. But look I'm very pleased to speak on Part 2. As you Madam Chair will know but not necessarily members of the public this is a bill in two parts. This isn't a bill as such that has substantial parts to it which is not meant to be a paradox but I again just to stress particularly for those listening as we get into Part 2 understand that this is the domestic piece of legislation which is an instrument to bring about the wider treaty—6000 or so pages. So I certainly encourage—actually the Minister in the chair the Hon Damien O'Connor may edify us later with the exact number of pages so that I get that right but let's just say a lot of pages. So for those listening and curious to get the absolute substance of the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP) agreement turn to that not this particular piece of legislation.So what we're here discussing in Part 2 are those effectively what I'd call consequential changes to a number of Acts in existing New Zealand legislation particularly the Copyright Act of 1994 as those who have been following the debate would expect. The Customs and Excise Act of 1996—in fact that's a fairly simple change. It's a tidy-up in terms of just repealing a particular part of that Act. There are some minor—in fact all of these changes are relatively minor other than probably the copyright area where there may be a little bit of dispute and I might touch on some of that.This part also changes the Hazardous Substances and New Organisms Act of 1996. We're beginning to get a bit of a theme actually that clearly 1996 was a fairly busy year. The Legislation Act of 2012 is also changed. Most of it is actually nominative; it's really just around definitions. In effect this part particularly those clauses or clause 13 onwards in this particular area are just tightening up so that New Zealand's domestic law—in this case the Legislation Act—is aligned with the treaty itself.Somewhat controversially we are making changes to the Overseas Investment Act of 2005. This is bringing into effect elements that the Government has discussed and it's not my intention to go too much into that. There's a change to the Patents Act. As friends of mine would note there are distinct differences between copyright and patents but that's a fairly small set of changes and it's particularly adding a new Part 2 to a schedule in the Patents Act of 2013. Most of it again is around the nomenclature of the title between the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) and the comprehensive and progressive agreement. So a lot of this part is tidy-up as too with the Tariff Act of 1988 which you would expect seeing as this is a bill to bring about a treaty which is to do with trade. Finally but not because it's unimportant the Wine Regulations of 2006 are also to be changed.If I might my primary thoughts are around the changes to the Copyright Act. Minister I'm supportive as far as I've been able to get my head fully around matters of copyright. I think it's prudent that we are bringing into effect other agreements that we've got. So again particularly for those who are out there the CPTPP while obviously a comprehensive agreement in and of itself also rests on wider agreements that New Zealand is party to. It may or may not be known but we are part of a group called WIPO—that's how I would say it as an acronym but the World Intellectual Property Organization—and New Zealand is required to make some treaties under a copyright treaty and a performance and phonograms treaty.So it's a little bit like the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea recently where obligations through that treaty meant that we had to make some changes to our customs work. It's similar here that the CPTPP and our—sorry actually I've got that the wrong way around. I apologise to the Chair and the Minister. New Zealand is party to these copyright agreements. We have signed understandings treaties in this regard. We're conscious that being good global citizens and engaging with the likes of the World Intellectual Property Organization we need to make sure that our domestic legislation aligns with that and in this particular debate tonight—or discussion I think it is more than anything—that our Copyright Act as articulated in this amendment bill is aligned.So really in a lot of ways it's a tidy up. Most of the changes being proposed in this bill are around the technological protection measures often just referred to as TPMs. It's really just being very very clear about who is and who is not covered. I don't think there's anything particularly controversial in these. When we sat through the select committee it was very well explained to us—and I would say in advance if not already that any lack comes from my own understanding rather than what was given. But really it's just tightening up the requirements and what is proposed to be. So this is in Part 2 clause 8 which is inserting new sections into the Copyright Act. There's a new section 226F just around the meaning of copyright information and just being very clear that we're talking about the work the author of the work the copyright owner the performer and when it comes to a film also the director of that film. So these are small things but those who work in industry would just see that that's clearly aligning with things.I'm not so sure it's as much a question to the Minister as perhaps I thought but he's very welcome to address it. I know in talking to various people involved in the creative industries there is concern around just how comprehensive—no puns intended there Minister—our copyright work is. I'm very conscious that we're not here discussing tonight the Copyright Act itself; we're talking about the CPTPP but I suppose just some assurances that we're not through this CPTPP amendment bill locking in poor copyright behaviours. Those who are more expert than I am in the copyright industry would say there are very different laws and approaches in New Zealand between that for books music those who are writers those who are performers or copyright for computer games. New Zealand's copyright law is good but there are different rules different lengths of protection for those different organisations. In fact there are even differences I am told—and always happy to be corrected—for even those who are involved in writing between those who write books so what you would particularly get at Whitcoulls through to those who write technical manuals through to those who do academic works. What I am hinting at here poorly is that there are a whole series of different copyright rules for different media or mediums.There is controversy Minister around this. There is concern for those in the industry and there has been a long desire that this be tidied up. But importantly where it affects here is probably just some assurances that our agreeing to the WIPO agreements and putting it in here in Part 2 does not stop New Zealand making its own consequential changes in the future. Or to put it another way: if this year next year it was the will of the Government to implement a lot of the changes that those in the creative industries are asking for which is basically an alignment of copyright rules and some new ones particularly around the notion of gaming and digital rights will our having been part of WIPO but more importantly our having put those provisions into this Part 2 of the CPTPP amendment bill preclude the executive and the Government this Parliament from actually making those changes?So it's relatively technical the rest of the sections. It may seem like a lot of words to those reading through but in effect it's just bringing about changes that we as a country have already agreed to. So I think I will leave my contribution on those parts there. I'm conscious there are two Supplementary Order Papers in the name of the Greens. As perhaps a courtesy I will let that member who I suspect will speak but I cannot be absolutely sure address those. I may if I get the opportunity have some comments on those later as they relate to new parts within Part 2. Thank you very much.