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Henare Tau: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Henare Tau: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
[Volume:670;Page:16673] 
7. 
Hon TAU HENARE (National) 
 to the  
Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations 
: What progress has the Government made towards its aspirational goal of settling historical Treaty of Waitangi claims by 2014? 
Hon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON (Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations) 
: 
 Very good progress. In December last year the Government signed deeds of settlement with Ngati Porou Ngati Pahauwera and Rangitane o Wairau. The Government also initialled deeds of settlement with Ngai Tamanuhiri Ngati Makino and Ngati Rereahu over the Maraeroa blocks claims. I just mention to Mr Horomia in passing that his associate Mr Jones said on Tuesday that these were small and insignificant iwi. Perhaps he should tell Mr Mahuika that. 
Hon Tau Henare 
: Why is the Government committed to reaching durable settlements of historic grievances? 
Hon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON 
: Among other things Treaty settlements provide a regional economic stimulus that creates jobs boosts investment and lays the foundation for future economic prosperity for Maori and non-Maori. That is why this Government is committed to the expeditious completion of durable settlements and has devoted fresh energy to this important area and why in 2 years we have achieved as much as Labour did in 9 years. 
Hon Parekura Horomia 
: Will the Minister give the House his assurance that he will discourage Government members from cutting short select committee processes on the settlement bills in the way he did on the Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Bill? 
Hon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON 
: Members of the Maori Affairs Committee of which this member is one will always give very careful consideration to Treaty settlement bills.
Cunliffe David: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Cunliffe David: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
[Volume:670;Page:16671] 
Hon DAVID CUNLIFFE (Labour—New Lynn) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. As this question follows on directly from the comment made by the Hon Bill English yesterday and as he is obviously not here to answer it today I seek leave to have this question held over to the next sitting day. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to have the question held over to the next sitting day. Is there any objection? There is objection.
Hutchison Paul: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Hutchison Paul: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
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5. 
Dr PAUL HUTCHISON (National—Hunua) 
 to the  
Minister of Health 
: What progress is the Government making in its preventative health target to increase immunisation for 2-year-olds? 
Hon TONY RYALL (Minister of Health) 
: 
 Next week I will be announcing the second quarter results for the Government’s six health targets which will include a record level of immunisation for 2-year-olds being achieved. These results will confirm that immunisation coverage for children turning 2 has risen to over 88 percent. This is yet another new record in immunising our children against serious childhood diseases. The National Government has put over a billion dollars extra into health and we are keeping the heat on the district health boards to give New Zealanders better health services for better value for money. 
Dr Paul Hutchison 
: What progress has been made on immunising 2-year-olds from high-needs families? 
Hon TONY RYALL 
: I can tell the member that in the last 2 years under a National-led Government great progress has been made in advancing children’s immunisation rates for all groups. The number of immunised Maori children has jumped nearly 14 percent to 85 percent which is the Government’s target over 2 years. The number of immunised Pacific children has also risen 14 percent to 91 percent of 2-year-olds. The gap between Maori and other children is the lowest it has ever been for immunisation. This Government is serious about health promotion and disease prevention. 
GRANT ROBERTSON 
: How does the Minister reconcile that last answer with the statement from the Auckland District Health Board that Maori intervention rates for immunisation had not improved at all? 
Hon TONY RYALL 
: Because it is simply incorrect. We now have the lowest gap ever between Maori and non-Maori in immunisation rates. The party opposite promised to close the gaps and just made it worse. We are using the money we are investing to deliver for all New Zealanders. 
Grant Robertson 
: I seek leave to table the minutes of the Auckland District Health Board meeting held on Wednesday 2 February 2011 which note that Maori intervention rates had not improved. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to table that document. Is there any objection? There is no objection. 
Document by leave laid on the Table of the House.
Cosgrove Clayton: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Cosgrove Clayton: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
[Volume:670;Page:16670] 
4. 
Hon CLAYTON COSGROVE (Labour—Waimakariri) 
 to the  
Prime Minister 
: Does he stand by his statement that mums and dads will be free to on-sell shares in partially privatised SOEs to foreign investors? 
Hon SIMON POWER (Minister of Justice) 
 on behalf of the  
Prime Minister 
: Yes because we want New Zealanders to get a good return on their investments. When the Prime Minister set out the tests for a mixed-ownership model he was clear we would proceed only if New Zealand investors were at the front of the queue for shareholdings if we were confident of widespread and substantial New Zealand share ownership and if the companies involved presented good opportunities for investors. The advice we have sought from Treasury takes into account those requirements. 
Hon Clayton Cosgrove 
: Will those New Zealanders who are among the more than 1000 people leaving permanently for overseas every week under this Government according to Statistics New Zealand figures be able to buy shares in partially privatised State-owned enterprises because they are foreign residents? 
Hon SIMON POWER 
: From the tests the Prime Minister has outlined it should be clear that the main priority is for New Zealanders to ensure that they have an opportunity to hold those shares. That is why— 
Hon Trevor Mallard 
: They’re residents. 
Hon SIMON POWER 
: The member should let me finish. That is why we are asking for advice from Treasury about what is practical in this area. 
Hon Clayton Cosgrove 
: Did the Government communicate with Contact Energy yesterday to among other things find out how many foreign investors it has? 
Hon SIMON POWER 
: I am not in a position to answer that question; I do not have that information to hand. 
Hon Clayton Cosgrove 
: Is it not the case that the Government has not properly researched its proposal to sell State-owned assets given that one Simon King who is Contact Energy’s Government relations manager confirmed that a Government representative rang the company yesterday to find out among a whole series of other inquiries what proportion of the company is owned by foreign investors? 
Hon SIMON POWER 
: The answer to the first part of that question is no. 
Hon Trevor Mallard 
: Can he tell us whether someone whose net worth increased by $5 million last year is more or less likely than ordinary Kiwi families—who got a $15-a-week tax cut—to be able to afford these shares? 
Hon SIMON POWER 
: I am sure that all New Zealanders through various vehicles will have an opportunity to purchase shares if the Government goes ahead following the Treasury advice it expects to receive shortly. 
Hon Trevor Mallard 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I draw attention that the key part of the question was whether that was “more or less likely”. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The question was seeking an opinion and there is no particular answer to a question that seeks an opinion.
Goodhew Jo: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Goodhew Jo: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
[Volume:670;Page:16669] 
3. 
JO GOODHEW (National—Rangitata) 
 to the  
Minister for Communications and Information Technology 
: What decisions has the Government made on improving broadband to rural areas? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE (Minister for Communications and Information Technology) 
: 
 On Monday the Government commenced commercial negotiations with Telecom and Vodafone for the provision of vastly improved broadband services to rural New Zealand. The Government inherited a position where half of rural New Zealand was still using dial-up and only 20 percent of customers were accessing speeds of five megabits or more. Our policy and the resulting investment will see that proportion rise to 86 percent of rural households and businesses with 95 percent of rural schools receiving a direct fibre connection along with numerous marae and their adjacent communities. 
Jo Goodhew 
: Why did the Government elect to negotiate with Vodafone and Telecom? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE 
: The joint Vodafone and Telecom proposal is based on proven existing technology and provides the Government with the confidence that it can be deployed. The joint proposal was the only one that increases mobile coverage and will ensure serious day-one competition and choice in the last mile with many rural customers being able to choose from fixed wireless ADSL2 fibre to the premise for those directly passed and mobile broadband. It has been designed on an open access basis to increase competition in rural areas and other providers will be able to co-locate with the Government-funded infrastructure encouraging competition and innovation for rural services. 
Clare Curran 
: What guarantee can he give rural New Zealanders that they will receive broadband of the same quality and at the same price as their urban counterparts? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE 
: The rural broadband programme is designed to do exactly that: to increase speeds to those that are currently already being enjoyed in urban areas and to do it on a competitive basis. Those negotiations on price are continuing and I am confident that there will be competitive prices. 
Jo Goodhew 
: What feedback has the Minister received on Monday’s announcement? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE 
: I have received positive feedback from a wide range of sources. Rural Women said it was “pretty damn good” and that the Government and telecommunications companies should just get on with it. Telecommunications Users Association of New Zealand Chief Executive Paul Brislen said that the open access aspects of the policy would ensure that Telecom did not regain a monopoly position. Even the International Data Corporation which is not a noted enthusiast for Government policy believes that the Government has opted for a pragmatic outcome. I know that some of the interested parties who missed out are disappointed—and of course Labour members who wish they had thought of it—but we have made the best decision for our rural communities.
Brownlee Gerry: Business Statement 
Brownlee Gerry: Business Statement 
[Volume:670;Page:16665] 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (Leader of the House) 
: 
 It is always the Government’s intention to pass as much legislation as possible in normal time. It is not our intention at this point to pass this bill under urgency.
Mallard Trevor: Business Statement 
Mallard Trevor: Business Statement 
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Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 Can the Leader of the House give the House an assurance that the Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Bill will not be passed under urgency?
Brownlee Gerry: Business Statement 
Brownlee Gerry: Business Statement 
[Volume:670;Page:16665] 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (Leader of the House) 
: 
 When the House resumes next week a number of bills on the Order Paper will receive their first readings including the Regulatory Reform Bill and the Crown Pastoral Land (Rent for Pastoral Leases) Amendment Bill. Wednesday will be a members’ day. The Budget will be delivered on Thursday 19 May.
Smith Lockwood: Visitors — Turkey—Minister of Labour and Social Security 
Smith Lockwood: Visitors — Turkey—Minister of Labour and Social Security 
[Volume:670;Page:16665] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I have much pleasure in informing the House that His Excellency Mr Ömer Dinçer Minister of Labour and Social Security from the Grand National Assembly of the Republic of Turkey is within the precincts of the Chamber. I am sure that members would wish that he be welcomed and accorded a seat on the left of the Chair and that the delegation in the Speaker’s Gallery be welcomed. 
His Excellency Mr Ömer Dinçer accompanied by the Associate Minister of Foreign Affairs entered the Chamber and took a seat on the left of the Chair.
Business Statement 
Business Statement 
[Volume:670;Page:16665] 
Business Statement 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (Leader of the House) 
: 
 When the House resumes next week a number of bills on the Order Paper will receive their first readings including the Regulatory Reform Bill and the Crown Pastoral Land (Rent for Pastoral Leases) Amendment Bill. Wednesday will be a members’ day. The Budget will be delivered on Thursday 19 May. 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 Can the Leader of the House give the House an assurance that the Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Bill will not be passed under urgency? 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (Leader of the House) 
: 
 It is always the Government’s intention to pass as much legislation as possible in normal time. It is not our intention at this point to pass this bill under urgency.
Visitors — Turkey—Minister of Labour and Social Security 
Visitors — Turkey—Minister of Labour and Social Security 
[Volume:670;Page:16665] 
Thursday 10 February 2011 
Mr Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Prayers 
. 
Visitors 
Turkey—Minister of Labour and Social Security 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I have much pleasure in informing the House that His Excellency Mr Ömer Dinçer Minister of Labour and Social Security from the Grand National Assembly of the Republic of Turkey is within the precincts of the Chamber. I am sure that members would wish that he be welcomed and accorded a seat on the left of the Chair and that the delegation in the Speaker’s Gallery be welcomed. 
His Excellency Mr Ömer Dinçer accompanied by the Associate Minister of Foreign Affairs entered the Chamber and took a seat on the left of the Chair.
Roy Eric: Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Roy Eric: Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Advance Copy - Subject to minor change before inclusion in Bound Volume.] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: Hilary Calvert’s amendment to clause 90(1) to omit “on and” and substitute “two months” set out on Supplementary Order Paper 218 is now out of order. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 218 in the name of Hilary Calvert to clause 90(1) to omit “registered” and substitute “received” be agreed to.
Vote: Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Advance Copy - Subject to minor change before inclusion in Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments to the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand National 57; Maori Party 3; United Future 1. 
Noes 56 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 6; ACT New Zealand 5; Progressive 1; Independents: Carter C Harawira. 
Amendments to the amendments agreed to. 
The question was put that the remaining amendments as amended set out on Supplementary Order Paper 207 in the name of the Hon Christopher Finlayson be agreed to.
Vote: Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Advance Copy - Subject to minor change before inclusion in Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 5 
ACT New Zealand 5. 
Noes 113 
New Zealand National 57; New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; Progressive 1; United Future 1; Independents: Carter C Harawira. 
Amendments not agreed to.
Boscawen John: Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Boscawen John: Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Advance Copy - Subject to minor change before inclusion in Bound Volume.] 
Hon JOHN BOSCAWEN (Whip—ACT) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I had been waiting until the voting on the amendments had finished. I have a query relating to the first page of Supplementary Order Paper 218. You moved pretty quickly through the amendments but if I am not mistaken you put all four of Hilary Calvert’s amendments to clause 77(4) together. The second and third amendments are contradictory. The second amendment calls for the omission of “as soon as practicable after” and substituting “within 40 working days of”. The next amendment calls for it to be substituted with “within 20 working days of”. Those two amendments are totally contradictory to each other and I just wondered how we could vote on those amendments together. Surely they would have to be put separately because they are totally different concepts.
Vote: Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Advance Copy - Subject to minor change before inclusion in Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 5 
ACT New Zealand 5. 
Noes 112 
New Zealand National 57; New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 6; Maori Party 3; Progressive 1; United Future 1; Independents: Carter C Harawira. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 207 in the name of the Hon Christopher Finlayson to the heading to clause 90 be agreed to.
Vote: Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Advance Copy - Subject to minor change before inclusion in Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand National 57; Maori Party 3; United Future 1. 
Noes 56 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 6; ACT New Zealand 5; Progressive 1; Independents: Carter C Harawira. 
Amendment agreed to.
Vote: Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Advance Copy - Subject to minor change before inclusion in Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand National 57; Maori Party 3; United Future 1. 
Noes 56 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 6; ACT New Zealand 5; Progressive 1; Independents: Carter C Harawira. 
Amendment agreed to. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: Hilary Calvert’s amendment to omit and substitute clause 90(2) is out of order as being inconsistent with a previous decision. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 207 in the name of the Hon Christopher Finlayson to omit clause 91 and substitute new clauses 91AA and 91 be agreed to.
Roy Eric: Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Roy Eric: Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Advance Copy - Subject to minor change before inclusion in Bound Volume.] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: Hilary Calvert’s amendment to clause 90(1) to omit “have regard to” and substitute “consider” set out on Supplementary Order Paper 218 is out of order. Hilary Calvert’s amendment to clause 90(1) to omit “area” and substitute “area or wahi tapu area” set out on Supplementary Order Paper 218 is now out of order. Hilary Calvert’s amendment to clause 90(1) to omit “group” and substitute “group or wahi tapu group” set out on Supplementary Order Paper 218 is now out of order as being inconsistent. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 207 in the name of the Hon Christopher Finlayson to omit clause 90(2) and substitute new clause 90(2) be agreed to.
Vote: Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Advance Copy - Subject to minor change before inclusion in Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 5 
ACT New Zealand 5. 
Noes 112 
New Zealand National 57; New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 6; Maori Party 3; Progressive 1; United Future 1; Independents: Carter C Harawira. 
Amendment not agreed to.
Vote: Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Advance Copy - Subject to minor change before inclusion in Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 5 
ACT New Zealand 5. 
Noes 111 
New Zealand National 57; New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 6; Maori Party 3; United Future 1; Independents: Carter C Harawira. 
Amendment not agreed to.
Vote: Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Advance Copy - Subject to minor change before inclusion in Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 5 
ACT New Zealand 5. 
Noes 112 
New Zealand National 57; New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 6; Maori Party 3; Progressive 1; United Future 1; Independents: Carter C Harawira. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 218 in the name of Hilary Calvert to clause 90(1) to omit “on and” and substitute “two weeks” be agreed to.
Roy Eric: Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Roy Eric: Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Advance Copy - Subject to minor change before inclusion in Bound Volume.] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: Hilary Calvert’s amendment to the heading to clause 90 set out on Supplementary Order Paper 218 is now out of order as being inconsistent. Hilary Calvert’s amendment to clause 90(1) to omit “group” and substitute “group or wahi tapu group” is now out of order for the same reason. Hilary Calvert’s amendment to clause 90(1) to omit “of Fisheries” and substitute “of Conservation” is also out of order for the same reason. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 218 in the name of Hilary Calvert to clause 90(1) to omit “must” and substitute “may” be agreed to.
Roy Eric: Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Roy Eric: Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Advance Copy - Subject to minor change before inclusion in Bound Volume.] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: Hilary Calvert’s amendment to clause 89(1) to omit “on and” and substitute “two months” is now out of order. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 218 in the name of Hilary Calvert to clause 89(1) to omit “registered” and substitute “received” be agreed to.
Roy Eric: Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Roy Eric: Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Advance Copy - Subject to minor change before inclusion in Bound Volume.] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: Hilary Calvert’s amendment to omit the heading of clause 89 set out on Supplementary Order Paper 218 is now out of order. Hilary Calvert’s amendment to clause 89(1) to omit “group and substitute “wahi tapu group” is now out of order as being inconsistent with a previous decision. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 218 in the name of Hilary Calvert to clause 89(1) to omit “must” and substitute “may” be agreed to.
Vote: Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Advance Copy - Subject to minor change before inclusion in Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand National 57; Maori Party 3; United Future 1. 
Noes 56 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 6; ACT New Zealand 5; Progressive 1; Independents: Carter C Harawira. 
Amendments as amended agreed to.
Roy Eric: Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Roy Eric: Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Advance Copy - Subject to minor change before inclusion in Bound Volume.] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: Hilary Calvert’s amendment to omit clause 91 is out of order as being inconsistent with a previous decision. The Hon David Parker’s typescript amendment to clauses 48 to 91 is out of order as a direct negative. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 211 in the name of the Hon Christopher Finlayson to the proposed amendments to clauses 84(1) and 91(8) set out on Supplementary Order Paper 207 in his name be agreed to.
Roy Eric: Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Roy Eric: Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Advance Copy - Subject to minor change before inclusion in Bound Volume.] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: Hilary Calvert’s amendment to clause 88(a) to omit “have particular regard to” and substitute “consider” as set out on Supplementary Order Paper 218 is now out of order. Hilary Calvert’s amendments to clause 88(a) to omit “area” and substitute “area or wahi tapu” and to omit “group” and substitute “wahi tapu group” set out on Supplementary Order Paper 218 are now out of order. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 218 in the name of Hilary Calvert to omit clause 88(b) be agreed to.
Peachey Allan: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
Peachey Allan: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
[Volume:665;Page:12738] 
ALLAN PEACHEY (National—Tamaki) 
: 
 What is it about the Labour Party and the Green Party that they do not want New Zealand’s children to learn in school? What is it about those two parties that means that time after time in this House when education is being debated their members get to their feet and seek to defend the indefensible? Why do those parties not want children to learn? Why are they so ready to get to their feet to defend and advocate on behalf of a very narrow sector in education? 
I need to tell those parties that this Budget and this Government recognise that there is more to education than a couple of teacher unions and a few selfish sector groups. Education is much more about children and their parents than it is about the groups that members opposite choose to advocate for. This Budget will spend $12 billion on education this financial year—$12 billion. That is an increase over 4 years of $1.4 billion. 
I understand that it is galling for members opposite to sit there with the realisation that over 9 years they had one Minister of Education who destroyed all that was good about the system and two Ministers who then fiddled around with the portfolio with absolutely no idea what it was all about. What this Budget does for the children of New Zealand and their parents is to begin to redress that balance. This Budget will increase the operational funding of schools by $155.9 million. I invite the next speaker from the Opposition to tell this Committee the last time that a Government granted that sort of increase to the operational funding of schools. When was the last time? There is $48.3 million provided for the extension of ultra-fast broadband into schools. 
There is new funding for early childhood education. We have heard all about early childhood education tonight. It is time the Opposition parties stopped making up stories and started to explain it the way it really is. I will tell them where they can start. They can start by telling this Committee how had they survived in Government—which was never going to happen anyway—they were going to pay for their promise of 100 percent fully trained staff. The money was not there and it is wrong for those members and their Green mates to stand up in this Chamber and claim otherwise. There is a $1.3 billion Government investment in early childhood education. That is an extra $107 million—$107 million. The figure is worth repeating so that members opposite get it into their heads that this Government has a greater commitment to early childhood education as is demonstrated in its Budget than that mob over there ever had. 
I suggest to certain members opposite that they stop trying to make their names by claiming to advocate for early childhood education and that they look at what the true situation is. There is another member opposite who seems to be very very keen to make his name in the tertiary education sector. A $4.2 billion investment has been made by this Government in tertiary education.
Hughes Darren: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
Hughes Darren: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
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Hon DARREN HUGHES (Labour) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Rick Barker) 
: When points of order are being taken the House will be in silence. That goes for both sides. 
Hon DARREN HUGHES 
: When things are not readily available to members they will often make mistakes and not refer to the correct document. Clearly this information is not readily available to the Minister because he has ascribed the authorship of it to the completely wrong person. I am seeking leave to table a press release from a non-governmental organisation which is not tabled as part of the general business of the House at the beginning of each sitting day and to make it available so that members are absolutely clear that the basis of the two contributions from the Minister was a press release by a different person. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Rick Barker) 
: We can waste some time on this. I will put the question. But I say to the member to not raise it again; this is the last time. Leave is sought to table the press release. Is there any objection? There is objection.
Hughes Darren: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
Hughes Darren: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
[Volume:665;Page:12719] 
Hon DARREN HUGHES (Labour) 
: 
 I seek leave to table a press release headed “Starvation Imminent in Prime Minister’s Electorate” which is actually a press release from Grey Power not from the Hon Ruth Dyson. Tony Ryall has just misled the Committee by telling us it was a press release from that member. I seek leave to table that statement so that people can be clear just how misleading the member was when making those claims. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Rick Barker) 
: The Speaker has ruled previously that press releases that are generally available are not to be tabled.
Power Simon: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
Power Simon: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
[Volume:665;Page:12711] 
Hon SIMON POWER (Minister of Justice) 
: 
 The Labour Party has kindly offered me one of its calls to respond to a member and I gladly accept it. In respect of Mr Garrett’s queries about extended court hours I have some advice from the officials that he may find of some interest. I hope he does not mind me referring to it but it is quite well put. 
Hon Darren Hughes 
: In his own hand. 
Hon SIMON POWER 
: Ha ha! It is not actually. The ministry has completed a pilot on extended court hours last year and it was a very successful pilot. The next phase of the pilot is about to get under way in Auckland in 2 months. In reference to waiting times in both the High Court and the District Court as a result of the new committal process the removal of depositions which we were told would effectively end the way the criminal justice system operated full stop has actually operated extremely successfully and sped up to quite a degree the first part of the pipeline through the committal process. 
Interestingly in that legislation—which was introduced by the Chair in a former capacity—we inserted a clause to enable counsel to seek the leave of the judge to make an oral deposition in the way that would have previously occurred. From the numbers I have to hand that has occurred in about 3 percent of cases meaning that it has not disrupted the way the early parts of those trials are conducted to the detriment of any of those who are party to those particular proceedings. The changes to that committal process together with the next phase of the extended court hours pilot should show us how effective targeted policies can be in speeding up and dealing with some of the problems the member raised in his earlier contribution. 
Vote agreed to.
Barker Rick: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
Barker Rick: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Rick Barker) 
: The Standing Orders provide for 8 hours of debate on the estimates. Each member may have no more than two speeches of 5 minutes on each vote. The estimates debate should be relevant to the Government’s current spending plans as contained in the Estimates of Appropriations. As each vote is reached the question will be put that the vote stand part. Should it be the wish of the Committee a question may be proposed on two or more related votes with the purpose of debating them together. 
At the conclusion of 8 hours of debate any remaining votes and remaining provisions of the bill will be put as one question. The Government indicates which votes are available for debate; I understand that all votes are available. Votes will be called in order of seniority of Ministers commencing with the Speaker’s votes. A compendium of the reports of the select committees on the votes is available on the Table.
Parker David: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Parker David: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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12. 
Hon DAVID PARKER (Labour) 
 to the  
Minister for Economic Development 
: Does he have targets or milestones to achieve income parity with Australia by 2025? 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (Minister for Economic Development) 
: 
 Yes. 
Hon David Parker 
: What is the current average weekly gap in income between a New Zealander and an Australian full-time worker? 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE 
: It is certainly a lot less than it was when Labour was in office. I am not familiar with exactly what the gap is. 
Hon David Parker 
: If the Minister does not know the exact amount can he at least give the House an approximation given that National campaigned at the last election on and gave prominence to its promise to close that very income gap? 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE 
: I would be more than happy to answer that question if the member would like to ask a written question simply because it will take quite a bit of time to work out exactly how much that gap has closed by virtue of the tax concessions that New Zealanders will enjoy from 1 October. 
Hon Darren Hughes 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. The Minister in his reply invited my colleague to put down a question about the issue he was asking about. The question on notice asks about income parity with— 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I think had the member put down exactly that question—on the size of the gap—I would have insisted on the Minister providing an answer. But given that the issue was whether the Minister has any targets or milestones I cannot actually insist on his having at his fingertips that specific information. The public have heard the answers and the public can make their own judgments about them. 
Hon David Parker 
: Does the Minister stand by his answer to my first supplementary question that the gap between the income of New Zealand workers and that of Australian workers has decreased since his Government took office? 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE 
: I believe that that is the case. I also say that the Government has a number of economic objectives that we want to achieve. The first point I would make is that we are gradually removing the millstones that the Labour Government put round the economy of this country. Ultimately that will mean that this country can afford the sorts of wages that New Zealanders want. I might also say that under this Government the economy is moving forward not back as it was when we took office. 
Hon David Parker 
: Supplementary question Mr Speaker. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I believe that the Labour Party has utilised its full allocation of supplementary questions. I apologise to the member.
Joyce Steven: Amended Answers to Oral Questions — Question No. 12 to Minister 22 July 
Joyce Steven: Amended Answers to Oral Questions — Question No. 12 to Minister 22 July 
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Hon STEVEN JOYCE (Minister of Transport) 
: 
 I seek leave under Standing Order 349 to make a personal explanation in relation to a reply I gave in the House last Thursday 22 July in respect of the cost of subsidising passenger train services between Hamilton and Auckland. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought for that purpose. Is there any objection? There is no objection. 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE 
: Last Thursday 22 July I stated in reply to a supplementary question on possible passenger train services between Hamilton and Auckland: “I am doing this from memory but my understanding is that the cost of subsidising a passenger on a train from Hamilton to Auckland is something like $15000 or $16000 per trip.” The answer should have been in fact per year rather than per trip. But no matter which way we look at it it remains an extraordinary amount of money per passenger. Thank you.
Goudie Sandra: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Goudie Sandra: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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10. 
SANDRA GOUDIE (National—Coromandel) 
 to the  
Minister of Police 
: What reports has she received on successful operations by the police against organised crime? 
Hon JUDITH COLLINS (Minister of Police) 
: 
 I congratulate the police on carrying out a significant hit on organised crime over the past week or so. A year-long operation code-named Operation Acacia netted large amounts of cash methamphetamine and illegally acquired firearms. In addition a multimillion-dollar alleged money-laundering business and other assets have been restrained with a view to confiscation. When our Government toughened the laws relating to gangs and organised crime this was exactly the sort of result we were looking for. The message is clear from the police that they are coming after illegal businesses and the profits of crime. 
Sandra Goudie 
: What information has she received about the amount of methamphetamine being seized by the police and other Government agencies? 
Hon JUDITH COLLINS 
: I am very pleased to report that provisional data show that methamphetamine seizures in the first 5 months of this year have already overtaken the figure for the whole of last year. A total of 18.2 kilograms of methamphetamine with an estimated street value of $18 million have been seized compared with 17.9 kilograms for the entire 2009 year. This figure does not include the 5 kilograms seized last week.
Amended Answers to Oral Questions — Question No. 12 to Minister 22 July 
Amended Answers to Oral Questions — Question No. 12 to Minister 22 July 
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Tuesday 27 July 2010 
Mr Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Karakia 
. 
Amended Answers to Oral Questions 
Question No. 12 to Minister 22 July 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE (Minister of Transport) 
: 
 I seek leave under Standing Order 349 to make a personal explanation in relation to a reply I gave in the House last Thursday 22 July in respect of the cost of subsidising passenger train services between Hamilton and Auckland. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought for that purpose. Is there any objection? There is no objection. 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE 
: Last Thursday 22 July I stated in reply to a supplementary question on possible passenger train services between Hamilton and Auckland: “I am doing this from memory but my understanding is that the cost of subsidising a passenger on a train from Hamilton to Auckland is something like $15000 or $16000 per trip.” The answer should have been in fact per year rather than per trip. But no matter which way we look at it it remains an extraordinary amount of money per passenger. Thank you.
Turia Tariana: Ngati Tuwharetoa Raukawa and Te Arawa River Iwi Waikato River Bill — First Reading 
Turia Tariana: Ngati Tuwharetoa Raukawa and Te Arawa River Iwi Waikato River Bill — First Reading 
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Hon TARIANA TURIA (Minister for the Community and Voluntary Sector) 
on behalf of the  
Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations 
: Tena koe e te Kaiwhakawa o te po. I move  
That the Maori Affairs Committee consider the Ngati Tuwharetoa Raukawa and Te Arawa River Iwi Waikato River Bill 
 that the committee report finally to the House on or before 31 August 2010 and that the committee have authority to meet at any time while the House is sitting (except during questions for oral answer) and during any evening on a day on which there has been a sitting of the House and on a Friday in a week in which there has been a sitting of the House and outside the Wellington region despite Standing Orders 187 189(a) and 190(1)(b) and (c). 
Motion agreed to. 
Waiata; karakia 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Rick Barker) 
: Members I say that shows two things: firstly the fabulous acoustics in this place and secondly what a fabulously different country this is.
Roy Eric: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
Roy Eric: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: I am sorry to inform the member that this is a time-limited debate and the time has now elapsed. 
The question was put that Vote Labour Vote Customs Vote Lands Vote Statistics Vote Emergency Management Vote Racing Vote Senior Citizens Vote Internal Affairs Vote National Archives Vote National Library Vote Local Government Vote Consumer Affairs Vote Maori Affairs Vote Community and Voluntary Sector Vote Revenue the preamble clauses 1 to 12 and schedules 1 to 7 be agreed to.
Carter Chris: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
Carter Chris: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
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Hon CHRIS CARTER (Labour—Te Atatu) 
: 
 One of the great responsibilities perhaps the greatest responsibility that the Minister of Conservation can have is as an advocate. Indeed the Conservation Act states that the Minister of Conservation must— 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: It is Vote Immigration. 
Hon CHRIS CARTER 
: Oh sorry. Of course conservation is just as important as immigration but I am sorry. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: Is the member going to continue with his call? 
Hon CHRIS CARTER 
: No Mr Chairperson. 
Vote agreed to.
Roy Eric: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
Roy Eric: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: I move  
That the report be adopted.
Vote: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
Vote: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the report be adopted. 
Ayes 69 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; Maori Party 5; United Future 1. 
Noes 53 
New Zealand Labour 43; Green Party 9; Progressive 1. 
Report adopted.
Hughes Darren: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
Hughes Darren: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
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Hon DARREN HUGHES (Labour) 
: 
 I seek leave to table a document called  
Puhoi to Wellsford: Project Summary Statement 
—one of the Minister’s roads of personal significance. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Is this in the public domain? 
Hon Steven Joyce 
: Yes it is. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: It is a published document? 
Hon DARREN HUGHES 
: It has been published by the New Zealand Transport Agency but I would not have thought it is readily available. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: It is readily available so we will not table that.
Vote: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
Vote: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the motion be agreed to. 
Ayes 53 
New Zealand Labour 43; Green Party 9; Progressive 1. 
Noes 69 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; Maori Party 5; United Future 1. 
Motion not agreed to. 
Vote agreed to.
Tremain Chris: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Tremain Chris: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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12. 
CHRIS TREMAIN (National—Napier) 
 to the  
Minister for Arts Culture and Heritage 
: What recent announcements has the Government made about support for regional museums? 
Hon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON (Minister for Arts Culture and Heritage) 
: 
 The Government has announced a grant of $6 million for the redevelopment of the Hawke’s Bay Museum and Art Gallery and that comes after an announcement of funding for the New Zealand Portrait Gallery to help secure permanent premises for its collection of nationally significant works. The Hawke’s Bay redevelopment project involves multiple existing buildings and the construction of a new wing as well as refurbishment of the museum’s main 1936 building. I acknowledge the outstanding work of local MPs Craig Foss and Chris Tremain in advocating for the region’s interests. 
Chris Tremain 
: How will the grant support the people and communities of Hawke’s Bay? 
Hon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON 
: Funding for the Hawke’s Bay Museum and Art Gallery will ensure that visitors to Hawke’s Bay and its residents have much better access to its nationally significant collections which include taonga Maori New Zealand design and fine art. [ 
Interruption 
] Oh yes I will go. The people of Hawke’s Bay have a real sense of ownership of their museum and art gallery—[ 
Interruption 
]—and I am very sorry that the chief Opposition whip is sneering at that. Families have donated objects for generations local fund-raising has been particularly effective and this grant gives their treasures the setting they deserve. I note for the record that the deputy leader of the Labour Party was sneering as well. 
Hon Steve Chadwick 
: What assurances can the Minister give that the Labour-established Regional Museums Fund will continue once current funding has been fully allocated and spent? 
Hon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON 
: The scheme is a very good scheme and more would have been available this year had not Helen Clark forward-committed huge sums of money.