Mitchell MarkHon MARK MITCHELL (National—Whangaparāoa): Thank you Mr Chair. I just draw Minister Hipkins' attention to the fact that on the retail crime unit I still haven't heard an answer on that. Either he doesn't know how many people staff it or their work output or exactly what they're meant to do or he does know and he's just too embarrassed to tell the committee. I want to acknowledge them because they've been set up for a specific job—and I'm sure they're doing a good job—but they certainly were not set up to deal with ram raids.I'd like to ask the Minister a question around mental health. Mental health in this country unfortunately as we all know is heading in the wrong direction and there's lots of different drivers for that. One thing our police service has done for a long long time and that is being the first responder and the ambulance at the bottom of the cliff in terms of having to deal with people with often serious mental health issues but just because they have a serious mental health issue doesn't always mean that the police need to be involved. They're actually far better off in my view being treated and helped by a properly trained mental health expert or medical expert.The police currently with the spike in mental health issues in this country are dealing with over 122 mental health - related cases a day. In my view other Government agencies have to step up because the problem with the police service—and this is just my own opinion—is they're an agency that number one they attract I feel the best people in the country and the New Zealand Defence Force is another one. They always problem-solve and they always set themselves the target of finding and achieving what's put in front of them but what that means is that other agencies—Government agencies—that aren't as motivated end up passing more responsibility and the police end up absorbing that and taking that on board. So what it means is you can end up with a police officer or even two of them tied up for an entire shift babysitting or looking after someone with a serious mental health issue or mental health issue and that's a very very poor use of their time. They have very specialised training they have powers that no one else has in this country and to have them sitting around and having to care for and babysit someone with a mental health issue—they're not trained to be able to triage or work out what that person needs. That has to be done by the health system.So I'd like the Minister to be able to stand and tell the committee inside the Budget what the plan and how he intends to support his agency in being able to make sure that they actually have got support from other agencies to step in and relieve that pressure. Of course there's always going to be some cases that the police have to be involved in because sadly sometimes when people have got serious mental health issues they're also violent and they can hurt themselves and they can hurt members of the public. So of course that is going to require a police response. But a large number of the cases don't and absolutely the wrong place to have those people is sat in a police cell or in a police station being guarded by police officers.