Logie JanJAN LOGIE (Green): Thank you Mr Speaker. It's with pleasure that I rise on behalf of the Green Party to add our support to this piece of legislation. Really I am sometimes just struck by how much the Opposition seems to be stuck in the 1950s. At times it really is this dinosaur attitude towards getting around and mobility and it does—Matt King: It's called reality. JAN LOGIE: Well if your province is stuck in the 1950s then I think that's on the previous Government so I'd be a bit careful about characterising your communities in that way. I suspect they might not wish to be characterised in that way. At the heart of this this is about ensuring that the Government has the money to be able to ensure that our roads are safe for people. That benefits every single person in this country. When I hear the concept of mode shift spoken about in a kind of sneering tone really that's the bit for me that strikes like the 1950s—not recognising the value to us of that mode shift collectively and that actually we have to invest to enable that. The fact that people at the moment don't have a choice in some areas is because we have not collectively invested to give them the options to be able to cycle and to be able to take public transport and that is what this is about doing. I do think there's this sense that it's being said that Well electric cars are going to solve all this so you know actually we're going to look back on this and be like 'Argh what were we thinking trying to support people to have options to get out of their car?'." This is directly related to the debate and related to what we're investing in which is enabling that mode shift as well as safety. I do need to say that part of the value of the mode shift is in reducing our carbon emissions—that is for sure—but it's also in the co-benefits of public transport and walking and cycling which are to our health for us individually but also collectively which shows up as reduced impact on our health system. It's also about connecting people to their communities. We need to have the infrastructure for cycling—SPEAKER: Order! Order! Order! I am going to interrupt the member. She's making a contribution to the debate which could well have been marginally inside the requirements of the second reading but she's gone sort of about three steps away from the increases in the excise duty. One step's OK but not three. JAN LOGIE: Thank you Mr Speaker. I'll go back to some of the other arguments that I've heard from the Opposition around the cost of this being too onerous. The advice that I have in front of me is that this will result in a rise in the cost for the average family of 83c a week which is $43.16 a year. For low-income families this will be $20.80 a year. We don't take that lightly. This Government I think is very committed to reducing costs and ensuring that people have more money in their pockets to be able to pay for these. I heard somebody saying that the school donations announcement in the Budget was going to be overwhelmed by this but that equates to $150 per family and this is $20.80 a family so actually it's the other way round. This Government is very aware of that. But I also need to say that by enabling people to have those options for public transport—and you will have seen the announcement around the work enabling people on low incomes to be able to access public transport for free in the future—this is the start of us staging that transition for people to be able to get around freely and without that cost. Alastair Scott: In rural New Zealand? How many buses in rural New Zealand? JAN LOGIE: It's also about delivering safety for those people in rural New Zealand who deserve to be safe on their roads and who have not been under the previous Government's strategy of massive massive infrastructure in small areas that didn't benefit most New Zealanders. So this cost actually pays off in safety and wellbeing and is being offset by other initiatives from this Government to make sure that people have more money in their pockets to make those choices. We are all going to be much better off when these policies are realised by stronger communities and more mobility options. Thank you. SPEAKER: I've lost his name—Matt King."