Delahunty CatherineCATHERINE DELAHUNTY (Green): Tēnā koe Mr Chair. Ngā mihi nui ki Te Whare Pāremata. I would just like to take a brief call and start with the licence that the previous Chair gave us to refer to Te Reo issues in the preamble. It has been a privilege to hear the debate. Te Reo Rangatira is always an asset in this House. For those of us who are not speakers we can learn. Listening and learning is a great privilege and I can see why in this bill in this preamble there was enthusiasm for the Reo. I heard the chair of the select committee Nuk Korako explain why he believed it was not possible for the bill to be in two languages but I just tautoko the comments from the previous speaker about the importance of—if it is a matter of resource if it is a matter of time then surely the Parliament if nowhere else should find the resource to do the right thing. I think we are talking about Te Reo Māori the first national language of Aotearoa. I am myself owning that when I drafted a member's bill I did not get it translated into Te Reo either. I am not saying that any of us is any better than anyone else. The Public Works Act amendment bill that I put up should have been in the Reo as well. But it is a lesson and a learning for all of us that this bill the Papawai and Kaikokirikiri Trusts Amendment Bill should have actually had this opportunity and it would have made the people very happy. I recognise that the Māori Affairs Committee is not responsible for the constraints but it means that the rest of us all need to get up and advocate. We all need to stand up for making sure that all bills have this opportunity and that we do not put the Māori Affairs Committee in the position of having to fight for this. It is an issue for all citizens of Aotearoa that Te Reo should be available for these bills. I found the kōrero very interesting with the word preamble" not existing. There is no kupu in the Reo for preamble. Perhaps it is time that preamble is a flexible word that can be explained in English differently as well. A lot of people do not know what a preamble is in English either. In fact many of the ways in which our laws are designed are extremely alienating and no one knows what on earth we are talking about outside this place and including inside this place. Some of us are not scholars of Latin or Greek and we like plain English alongside Te Reo Māori. I think there are ways in which both these languages are more than capable of describing things beautifully and clearly in terms of their purpose and intent as well as what the purpose of the preamble is. However I would first like to mihi on Papawai Marae. I was recently at Papawai Marae. I can see that this bill which relates to their trustees is an important bill for them and it is important that we recognise that they want change for the structure of their board. In the preamble it does talk about the relationship between Papawai and Kaikokirikiri Trusts Board and the Bishop of Te Upoko o Te Ika. I am not a scholar but I know that the head of the fish is an important and delicious space. I think it is important that we honour their intention and wish to have a better relationship with their trusts board the bishop of the head of the fish and the tangata whenua of the Wairarapa. The preamble also talks about the tangata whenua and the bill and the Māori Affairs Committee talk about the definition. I have to say that fools rush in where angels fear to tread. If I start trying to talk about how our tangata whenua should be defined and who should define it I can get myself into a ridiculous space. But there is an interesting kōrero in the select committee report that does talk about the reason for the description being "tangata whenua of Wairarapa". That seems appropriate because it is an inclusive way of allowing everyone whose whakapapa connects in whatever way to these two trusts so that they get included in the distribution of funds for the tangata whenua of Wairarapa. I have heard Pākehā say they are tangata whenua. I have always strongly disputed that because I do not know anyone of my culture who describes their whakapapa as being from Papatūānuku directly through their whakapapa heritage. We are certainly connected to this place in our own ways but we are not tangata whenua in the sense that we do not describe our spirituality and whakapapa as directly connected to Papatūānuku. I think we should be honest about that instead of trying to co-opt it. But that is more of a reflection. [Bell rung] Thank you. I will not take the whole time but I do want to just talk about the preamble a bit more because it does facilitate some changes that Papawai and Kaikokirikiri Trusts Board has wanted. I think it is important that there is a nomination process that is just. It is good to see the work that went into this bill because there were New Zealand Bill of Rights Act issues around it and I think it is important to acknowledge that they were raised. I understand they were addressed. I think that is really important because there have been mentions of the United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities and I think it is very important that we do justice to all people at all times within legislation—that we do not ignore those things. So the bill has obviously definitely been improved at the select committee in terms of recognising those New Zealand Bill of Rights Act issues because if it is going to be fairer and robust—those are the words—it is really important that the board member process is fair and robust and as much as possible does not breach the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act in terms of its assumptions about people's capacity to participate. I really think that Papawai and Kaikōkirikiri—I do not know much about the Kaikokirikiri Trust but I do know a little bit about Papawai from being there recently. It is the most historic and most significant Wairarapa marae. What came out for me relating to this preamble when I went there was I held a public meeting that night after I had visited the marae about water in the rohe and about the state of the Ruamāhanga River. Some people from the marae—Papawai people—came to my public meeting and said: "We don't have enough water. We have real problems with water." It is always really sobering in the 21st century when people do not have water. This marae are trying to modernise their trust structure but what I heard that night was that they still do not have access to things that other people take for granted. They have real problems with accessing their water. I think that if that marae and so many others where I have heard stories about problems with fresh water problems with sewerage—these bills are useful because they help to improve the structures so that people can get into a situation where they can operate and make decisions effectively but it does not necessarily give them any more resources to do it. I was very very concerned that night to hear that that marae was struggling with water. So when we were talking about the sustainability of the river and all the rest of it they were saying: "Well we don't even have water."—in the 21st century. It was pretty gruelling. For a marae that held the first tangata whenua Parliament in Aotearoa to not have water in the 21st century—this bill will be an improvement for them. But I hope it helps to also address when it comes to the long-term development of land which is referred to in the preamble their ability to have their basic human right to water and I was very disturbed by that. However the Green Party is very happy to support this bill. I would like to see every bill in the Reo and I would like to see this House—all of us—work together to achieve that goal. Kia ora tātou."