Willis ScottSCOTT WILLIS (Green): Thank you Madam Chair. This is my first call and I wouldn't normally be here to speak on health issues. I'm a white boy from the deep South.Hon Grant Robertson: Nothing wrong with that. SCOTT WILLIS: Ha! Indeed yeah. But I'm here to speak for many of those who've been denied a voice because of this outrage of urgency to force through a destructive agenda to continue to break rather than make. We really are taking another great leap backwards after so much mahi to create something that will be meaningful. I can speak for tangata Tiriti who care about health for all who care about addressing the inequities in health.I'd like to hear the Minister of Health clarify New Zealand's reasonable consultation process that it will use before introducing any employment policy that is reasonably likely to have material impact on that employee. How can it be reasonable when this is done under urgency? I remember I heard a member opposite earlier talk about her pleasure in condemning Te Aka Whai Ora to the scrap heap and I'm shocked. I'm shocked by the victim blaming I've heard from that side of the Chamber and I want to know what the impact on those employees will be those employees who will be materially impacted by these changes done under urgency with no engagement.CHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger): Can I just mention to the member that discussions about employment are in the next part of the bill so if you've got something that pertains to Part 1 then we'd like to hear it. Thank you.SCOTT WILLIS: Yes thank you Madam Chair. I am concerned that this blitzkrieg of repeals—the disestablishment of Te Aka Whai Ora—is an abuse of urgency that denies voice to those most affected. I want to understand why the Minister is so afraid of the Waitangi Tribunal and why is the Minister so afraid of the select committee process that would allow people to engage correctly? If there was any good in this I think the Minister should be willing to allow scrutiny and examination of the proposal.Mr Chair to the Chair—that switcheroo happened quite quickly; didn't notice that—I've worked for a kaupapa Māori organisation and I've seen the benefit of this holistic approach to health led by Māori for Māori. I've worked with Māori and whānau in energy hardship and what's clear is that we need that comprehensive approach by Māori for Māori. The one-size-fits-all with some participation that may be willed by the Minister is something that is just insulting to what has been created so far. It's not going to lead to hauora Māori. It's more than physical wellbeing; it's mental and emotional wellbeing social wellbeing and spiritual wellbeing. I saw the value as a white boy from the deep South. I saw the value of a kaupapa Māori approach to health wrapping support around those other interventions to ensure wellbeing. The ability to join the dots came from a tino rangatiratanga model of delivery and the beauty of it was that it was Māori and tangata Tiriti or non-Māori all benefiting from a richer way of doing things because innovation can become mainstream unless we reject it unless we take a great leap backwards.I would like to understand from the Minister why we can't have a good debate why we can't allow the Waitangi Tribunal to open this up why we can't allow a select committee to open this up.