Debate on Prime Minister’s Statement 
Debate on Prime Minister’s Statement 
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Debate on Prime Minister’s Statement 
Debate resumed from 12 February. 
BARBARA STEWART (NZ First) 
: 
 New Zealand First will be monitoring the Government’s progress in asset testing closely and will be bringing any lack of progress to the attention of the people of New Zealand. New Zealand First has been pushing for a law change for many years in this area and we will continue to push on that front. The Labour-led Government let the elderly down in its last term by failing to deliver on its promise of removing asset testing for those elderly who need long-stay geriatric hospital care services. The Government has made these promises to get votes not in one but two elections and now cannot afford to stall any longer. Action is required on these issues as soon as possible. 
Hon MARGARET WILSON (Attorney-General) 
: 
 The Prime Minister’s statement to this House last Tuesday clearly demonstrated that this is a Government that has a clear economic and social programme for New Zealand to go into the 21st century. That programme understands that our well-being as a people and as a country is dependent upon fostering those uniquely New Zealand characteristics of fairness when dealing with others equitable access to and distribution of resources of the country and of course support and encouragement for those people who are prepared to have a go—or as it is sometimes referred to in policy papers innovation and risk-taking.  
The statement also showed that this is a Government that does what it promises and thereby provides people with confidence and security. New Zealanders know where they stand with this Government and that is why they support it—unlike the National Party which is yet to overcome its identity crisis and start acting like a political party. However in fairness I must note that Mr English did acknowledge that this is a hard-working productive Government and that it will be rewarded for its efforts with another term in Government at least.  
I also detected in Mr English’s speech what I understand the psychologists call transference—that is he tried to make the argument that Labour is a tired divided caucus searching for direction. When the evidence is clearly stacked against him on this matter one must ask what he is really talking about. It is his own caucus of course. I can tell him that wishing it on to the Labour caucus will not make the agonies of splits and divisions in the National caucus go away. It will only prolong them until the inevitable happens and there is a change of leader and the hard work of listening to New Zealanders with an open mind to form a policy begins inside the National Party. As one who lived through a period of divisiveness inside a Labour caucus I can assure Mr English that as always he does not know what he is talking about. He is merely uttering his own fantasies but that will not make them reality.  
Although it is not the role of the Government to assist the Leader of the Opposition in one respect I think it is important to do so. Mr English has suddenly become uncertain as to what is meant by citizenship and whether there is one standard of citizenship. I want to assure Mr English that there is only one standard of citizenship. If he is uncertain as to what that means he should look at the Citizenship Act of 1977. Sections 6 7 and 8 of that Act clearly set out what it means to be a New Zealand citizen. I shall not matronise the member by reading out the sections. However it is clear that if a criterion is fulfilled through birth descent or grants one gains New Zealand citizenship. Further as  
Butterworth’s New Zealand Law Dictionary 5th Edition 
 states to be a citizen is to be a full member of a civil community who enjoys certain privileges in that community and is subject to certain obligations. It goes on to state that the status of New Zealand citizenship may be acquired in accordance with the provisions of the Citizenship Act.  
In a legal sense the status of citizenship in reality attracts few rights and obligations and they relate mainly to participation in the democratic process. As some members of this House are only too aware to be a member one must be a citizen. However to vote one needs to be a New Zealand citizen or a permanent resident. Increasingly we find that people can now hold dual citizenship which raises the question of what exactly is Mr English talking about when he talks of citizenship. If he wants to debate this issue—and we on this side of the House are very happy to engage in such a debate—then he should define his terms and stop shouting meaningless rhetorical slogans. I also remind the member that some of us treat these issues very seriously. We are aware of how important and precious it is to be able to participate in the democratic process and within the public life of this country. Labour members follow in the tradition of those who fought long and hard for the right to vote as individuals regardless of what property we owned and regardless of what our gender or race was. We take these issues seriously. Therefore we are prepared to debate with those who obviously do not.  
I want to take this opportunity also to congratulate the Prime Minister on that section in the statement that affirms the Government’s commitment to make available more information about the Treaty of Waitangi so that we can have an informed debate. I can only endorse and agree with her statement that it is unfortunate that so many of us know so little about this aspect of our country’s history and how it relates to the nation we are building. As the Prime Minister noted at a minimum the Treaty of Waitangi enables two peoples to coexist. At the maximum it provided the basis for the building of a relationship of respect and recognition that can endure down through the generations. I believe that it was in that positive spirit that she said that we must continue to build our unique and special nation that is now the home to the peoples of many lands.  
I fail to understand why as a country and as a people we do not celebrate the truly unique achievement of the Treaty of Waitangi. It is the envy of so many countries that seek to find ways to reconcile racial and cultural difference in ways of peaceful coexistence. As a country we were born not from conquest but through an agreement. While agreement I know does not always suit the temperament of those who wish to dominate others this Government believes that the well-being of us all as a people depends on the reconciliation of difference through the recognition that there are matters that bind us together as one people. That is the real stuff of citizenship. That is where the debate should be.  
I have noted that some ACT members seem to find it amusing or funny that the document upon which this country was founded by agreement—the treaty—should be still alive and well. I know they have trouble with their own corpses remaining dead but I can assure them that in fact we believe as a Government that the treaty is a living document; it is relevant and it is meaningful and those who wish to give meaning to that document through their actions will be those who will create the sort of country in which we can all be proud to live. 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Minister of Education) 
: 
 Normally when the House is nearing the close of a debate on a Prime Minister’s statement we expect to hear a rallying call from the Opposition. We expect people to be getting excited getting ready for a vote and getting tense about a situation. We expect people to be in the House and ready to debate things. I of course will not breach conventions by saying who is not in the House but I will say welcome to John Key; the member for Epsom Richard Worth; Mr Sowry and Mr Tisch. They are National Party people who are obviously not involved in whatever meetings are going on at the moment. I wonder what meetings are going on at the moment and what would be the subject of discussion. I could not believe that earlier in the week—I was absent from the House but I saw it on television—and so early in a term as leader Mr Bill English conceded that he would be in Opposition again. 
Hon Ruth Dyson 
: What did he say? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: Well he did not say he would be the Leader of the Opposition again. He said that this Government would be a three-term Government. He acknowledged that. Frankly I feel a bit sad for him. I am not absolutely certain that Bill English really wants the job now. It is very clear from what one reads in the Southland papers from the clippings over a period of time that there is a very strong woman in Southland who wants him to be leader. I do not want to matronise him or say that there is a matriarchal arrangement there but it is not clear from looking at Bill English’s eyes whether he feels good whether he feels strong or whether he feels on top of even the job as Leader of the Opposition. I have never heard a party so openly saying: “We do not want to compete in the middle ground in New Zealand.” Just think about that statement. What does that mean for a party that was once a great party? What it is saying is that they feel they no longer have relevance to middle New Zealand and cannot expect to get support. They want to move off to the right. They want to abandon the centre and probably a bit of the centre-right to the Labour Party. What does that mean? It means they cannot be in Government. They have given up. Maybe that is a realistic position.  
If one looks at the talent on the front bench of the National Party one gets a bit worried. I can understand that. I made the point on the first day of Parliament this year that although two male members on the front bench of the National Party were wearing blue ties four of them were wearing yellow. I do not want to overanalyse the situation and say there are deep psychological reasons that twice as many people on the front bench of the National Party were wearing yellow ties as were wearing blue ties but I do get the impression that members opposite are more than a tad worried. Frankly from a perspective of wanting to be a good Minister in a strong Government I am getting slightly worried about the effect that that might have on the performance of this Government. A good Government needs a good Opposition. We need to have thorough questioning. We need to have proper debate. We need to have some insight into the activities of the Government and we need people to be working hard on the other side and focusing and that just is not happening frankly apart from a few people in United Future who ask some questions not always well guided but really with intensity and care. In terms of interrogation I would much rather come to the House than go to my own caucus because it is only in the caucus and to an extent in Cabinet that it appears that the thorough in-depth discussion occurs with people who have thought about issues. As far as democracy is concerned and as far as strong Government is concerned I think that that is a real pity.  
I understand that over the Christmas holidays Mr Brownlee managed to burn off much of the support that he had for the leadership. He did not? I am not sure whether a member opposite said he did not—I do not know what to make of that. It is still my understanding that Mr Brownlee has burnt off much of his support and what that means is that it is most likely that there will not be a full leadership challenge over the next few weeks. I would not go any further than that.  
If I were in the National Party I would look at a couple of things pretty carefully. I would ask: “Who before Don Brash had responsibility for policy development? Who was responsible for that shocking piece of work—the National Party manifesto—for the last election?”. 
Darren Hughes 
: It wasn’t “Dippy Nick”? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: It was Nick Smith. 
Jill Pettis 
: What about Annabel? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: No Nick Smith was the person responsible for that policy. Although I am invited to by members here I think it is probably not the best to go into the reasons that Nick Smith was the Minister in charge of the Budget that approved the money to Donna Awatere Huata and her family foundation. 
Hon Ken Shirley 
: And Trevor Mallard increased it! 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: This member certainly did not increase it. The one thing I will say is that this member insisted on thorough evaluation of that programme. At some stage that evaluation will be released and this member will ask some other questions. Did those members go to the fashion show? 
Hon Ken Shirley 
: No. 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: That member did not. Richard Prebble did. He was one of the stars of the fashion show—and that sounds like a contradiction in terms. But Donna Awatere Huata paid for an ACT function—a fashion show in this Parliament—and that money has not been repaid. I want to know when will that money be repaid. 
Hon Ken Shirley 
: You attended. 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: I did not attend that fashion show. I think it is outrageous that that sort of money—[ 
Interruption 
] I think as I indicated earlier that it is probably better because of knowledge I have that I not go further with this. But I do want to say that at some stage people will focus on Nick Smith. They will ask whether it is appropriate to give $800000-odd to Donna Awatere Huata in order to secure the ACT vote. 
Darren Hughes 
: The ministry would have recommended it. 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: Well my understanding is that the ministry first found out about it when it saw the Cabinet minute. There was no report.  
Hon Ruth Dyson 
: No report to Nick Smith? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: No. 
Darren Hughes 
: The ministry must have recommended it. 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: No I make it absolutely clear. It is very important that I as the Minister of State Services defend my officials in this matter. 
David Benson-Pope 
: It was Nick Smith’s idea. 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: I am not aware of whose idea it was but I know that Nick Smith was the Minister of Education when money was taken out of a contestable fund for kids who could not read and was given to ACT in order to shore up their vote. It is just an outrage and what it shows is something that in any other country would be called corruption. 
Hon ROGER SOWRY (Deputy Leader—NZ National) 
: 
 I start by moving an amendment to the motion that is before the House at the moment. I want to add the following words to the last amendment that was moved: “ 
and that this House opposes the sale of shares in Air New Zealand by the Government to Qantas 
.” It will be very interesting to see how the Government’s very good friend the United Future Party decides to vote on that particular amendment. I predict now that like every other vote that United Future casts in this House and despite what it says outside the Chamber it will fall back into line in the Chamber roll over and do exactly what the Government wants.  
The speech from the Prime Minister which opened this Parliament lacked vision. There was nothing in it that will help the economy grow. The Prime Minister said that the speech would be boring and it was—exceeding her own colleagues’ expectations. I have never in my time in Parliament seen so many Labour members of Parliament getting up to give speeches and saying “Well you know it was a boring speech but I’m really happy with it being a boring speech.” That is what they said through gritted teeth. That is what they came to Parliament for. They came to Parliament for boringness and they came to Parliament through boringness. Labour member after Labour member has stood up here and said that the speech was boring but that they were happy with a boring speech. I say to the Labour members that the nation is not happy with a boring speech. The nation wants some leadership. The nation wants some vision. The nation wants a political party that will go out there with a legislative agenda to make this country grow faster.  
Nothing in the Prime Minister’s statement at the beginning of this session showed that Labour members have any understanding of that at all. Let us look at the legislative agenda. Here we are: Parliament has come back and the Government has a chance to lay out its plan its legislative programme and what has it got? It has the Television New Zealand Bill. Well we have been promised that for about 4 years. It has the Responsible Gambling Bill. That is the bill whereby the Government will take the pokie money off the hotel trusts that distribute it and give it to other bodies—such as Lotto and we understand local government—to distribute. It is the bill that will up and down the country neuter sports clubs that rely on pokie money for equipment travel assistance and all sorts of other things. It is the bill that the Minister will not table the amendments for. But there will be more about that; that is the Government’s big bill. But it gets worse. There is the Racing Bill. That will make the country go faster! That will make us grow more! The Resource Management Amendment Bill is another bill that is on the legislative programme. Labour members have been talking about that for about 5 years and they have not processed it at all. I predict right now that they will not process that bill during this period. The Government even has the War Pensions Amendment Bill (No 2) on its legislative agenda. 
Pansy Wong 
: Which war? 
Hon ROGER SOWRY 
: Yes—which war? Those are the sorts of visionary pieces of legislation that we got from the Prime Minister. What we did not get from the Prime Minister was the real agenda. What she did not refer to in the House and what she will not talk about at the knowledge wave conference next week is the agenda that Margaret Wilson so carefully laid out in a much underrated and under-reported speech just a couple of weeks ago. I refer to the agenda that talks about what Labour with the help of United Future is going to do to business. This is what Labour and United Future will vote to do to business. They will start by enacting pay equity legislation. That is the piece of legislation which United Future will vote for whereby some bureaucrat decides that someone sitting in the local racing office for example has worth equal to that of somebody who is working in another particular area of the economy and therefore should have pay equity. It is that sort of a bill; a bureaucratic nightmare whereby bureaucrats decide the value of the worth of the labour in the marketplace. That is what Labour and United Future are voting for.  
The Prime Minister did not talk about the holidays legislation which Labour was not going to enact at all. Weeks before the election Labour promised hand on heart to the business community that it would not deal with that legislation during the next term then all the Labour members traipsed into the House and voted for it just before Christmas. Now Matt Robson is sending out newsletters to everybody and saying: “That’s OK. Labour has voted for that. It will deal with it this year. We’re going to get the 4 weeks’ leave.” Labour members will not be saying that at the knowledge wave conference.  
Margaret Wilson talked about adding sale-of-business provisions and contracting-out provisions to the Employment Relations Act. Those provisions are the ones that Labour took out of the bill after a barrage of opposition from business but it will go back and sneak them in this year. Margaret Wilson laid that out in her programme but the Prime Minister had her mind on loftier things such as the War Pensions Amendment Bill (No 2). Perhaps Margaret Wilson did not get the list of legislation to the Prime Minister in time for her to include in her speech or perhaps the Prime Minister does not want to talk about legislation that is bad for business just as she does not want to talk about treaty issues and education programmes. That is what I suspect. There was one speech from the Prime Minister one speech to the business audience and one speech from the rest of Cabinet to another audience. 
It is a bit like the situation with the transport bill currently before a select committee that deals with public-private provision for the building of new roads in this country. The Prime Minister said that the Government would pass that legislation this year. The Minister of Transport Paul Swain and the Prime Minister are scurrying around and saying to local government leaders and to business people: “Look the bill won’t work. We know it won’t work.” I quote the Prime Minister. Last week in a private meeting she said: “I’ll be happy if you can convince the select committee to de-Green the bill.” Paul Swain is saying to mayors all over the country because they are ringing up: “Please go hard with your submissions because we have to control the Greens on this.” So they sneak around bagging the Greens behind their backs and saying something quite different. That is a bit like Labour members up and down the country who are outraged about the lack of roading in their districts. I have read that Labour members all over the country are going to make strong submissions to the Minister for extra roading funds. I can tell members that none of them will be successful. 
Rod Donald 
: That’ll be right. 
Hon ROGER SOWRY 
: The Greens know that no Labour member will be successful. I can tell the Greens that Labour is out there shafting the Greens on the road transport bill all the way around the country to the point where yesterday a large group came to see the National Party and said: “At the select committee will you please vote with Labour to stymie the Greens.” I tell Labour members to come to us with a proposal and we will see what happens then. 
Hon Annette King 
: Who said that? 
Hon ROGER SOWRY 
: Annette King sits there and chirps: “Who who who?” She should say inside the House the things that she says to the local government leaders in this region. She should say them inside the House where everyone can hear them. She should not say to local government leaders: “I’ll have a meeting with you but I won’t have Roger Sowry in the room. If he comes into the room we’re walking out.” Why is that? Because those members do not want to be held to account. Annette King does not want to be held to account. She wants to be able to say to the mayors: “I’m on your side. I agree. Paul and I want the Greens influenced. We want it taken down. Make a strong submission. We’re there.” She wants to say all that stuff in the safety of her own closet. 
Hon Dr NICK SMITH (NZ National—Nelson) 
: 
 Under Standing Order 343 I wish to make a personal explanation in respect of allegations made by Mr Trevor Mallard the Minister of Education. Earlier in the afternoon the Minister of Education seriously questioned my integrity in respect of a Government decision in 1999 to fund a literacy recovery programme for disadvantaged children run by the Pipi Foundation. Under the Official Information Act I have sought copies of the briefing papers and Budget documents from that time to refresh my memory of the exact events. 
It is of serious concern to me that Mr Mallard has refused me access to those papers. That has compromised my ability to respond to both his speech in the House today and to the allegations he made prior to Christmas. That sets a very unfortunate precedent about the ability of previous Ministers to answer questions about their own papers. However I do wish to make the record clear with regard to my involvement in the decisions that led to the Budget decision in 1999 that made provision for the Pipi Foundation.  
When I was appointed Minister of Education on 1 February 1999 the Budget process was well under way. There were about 50 individual bids involved in the process including of course at that time a disruptive secondary teacher pay round. Included in the proposals when I became Minister were a number of small grants and bids for non-Government organisation programmes including the Pipi Foundation the Pacific Foundation Alan Duff’s Books in Homes trust Project K and E Tipu E Rea. 
The Budget process for each of those bids was the same. At no time did Donna Awatere Huata to my best recollection directly raise with me the subject of funding for the Pipi Foundation. I do recall discussing with her the issue of literacy and the broader campaign to lift standards among disadvantaged Maori children. At no time did Mrs Awatere Huata threaten me nor did I have any knowledge of her threatening to withdraw her vote to support the Government on the basis of funding for the Pipi Foundation. My decision to support the Budget bid for the Pipi Foundation as with the other non-Government trusts was on the merits of the proposal. I did not meet Mrs Awatere Huata about the Pipi Foundation nor did I meet any other member of the Pipi Foundation trust. My support was based on a written proposal from the Pipi Foundation and discussions with officials about that proposal. Yesterday I received a copy of ACT’s privileges complaint to the Speaker. It includes a most inappropriate letter from Mrs Awatere Huata to the then Minister of Finance Bill Birch— 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I caution the member that he is unable to refer to the privileges complaint. 
Hon Dr NICK SMITH 
: I only refer to it in respect of a copy of the letter coming into my possession and how that affects the allegations made by Mr Mallard. I want to make plain— 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: It should not be referred to on the floor of the House at all. 
Hon Dr NICK SMITH 
: I never saw the letter sent to Mr Birch at that time or knew that it existed. I have subsequently spoken to Mr Birch who well recalls receiving it and being very angry about the appropriateness of it. I did in a telephone conversation with ACT deputy leader Ken Shirley indicate my enthusiasm for the Pipi Foundation programme. I expressed concern to Mr Shirley about the association of Mrs Awatere Huata with the Pipi Foundation and that the trust needed to ensure that it was quite independent. I had similar discussions with Ministry of Education officials and made plain that the Pipi Foundation should not be accorded any lesser accountability because of Mrs Awatere Huata’s status as a member of Parliament.  
I do recall later in the year at a regular meeting of ministry officials that the matter of the Pipi Foundation was raised. Concerned was expressed by officials that undue pressure was being applied over a contract issue with the implied threat that the foundation would use Mrs Awatere Huata’s position to overrule officials on those contractual issues. I assured officials that I would stand by them and again stated that the Pipi Foundation should be treated no differently from any other organisation. It is noteworthy that officials later in the year at the change of Government did not draw to the new Minister’s attention any concern over the propriety of the funding contract with the Pipi Foundation. That certainly would have occurred if they had been concerned that I had acted inappropriately and that the funding was being allocated for political rather than genuine reasons.  
I also note that this Government has increased the funding for the Pipi Foundation which is quite inconsistent with the allegations made by Mr Mallard that the previous Government funded the Pipi Foundation for political reasons only. I wish to unequivocally state that my support for the Pipi Foundation’s reading programme was based solely on the merits of the programme. I am appalled at reports that money intended for assisting children’s learning has been hijacked for other purposes such as fashion shows private telephone accounts unrelated business expenses and personal operations. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: The member is getting off the personal explanation. 
Hon Dr NICK SMITH 
: Those reports raised very serious questions about the standard in reporting of non-Government organisations thus my strong support for the inquiry of the Auditor-General and the Serious Fraud Office. If Mrs Awatere Huata benefited financially in any way from that funding then she brings her party and this House into disrepute. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: No no. I caution the member. It is a personal explanation. 
Hon ANNETTE KING (Minister of Health) 
: 
 I have to tell Roger Sowry who made the last speech in this debate that absolutely no one mentions his name at any meeting that I have ever been at. In fact if it was mentioned people are likely to say “Roger who?”. I disabuse him of the fact that we all sit around worrying about little Roger. We do not. No one mentions him. He is a nonentity. However it is ironic to listen to Roger Sowry’s amendment to the amendment moved by his leader. The h-word immediately came to mind because the amendment that he moved was that we oppose the sale of Air New Zealand shares to Qantas. Was the National Party not the party that wanted to sell the whole airline to any foreign buyer who would buy it? I thought that was what it wanted. In fact I am absolutely certain. There is a little bit of the old h-word that has crept into that amendment. Do members not feel sorry for Bill English? He could not even get his amendment right. He had to send in the water boy to move another part to the amendment to the amendment. I do feel sorry for poor old Bill English—the bewildered look on his face the frightened eyes the shuffling of the feet. It really brings out the mother hen in me. Day in day out he is under attack—and that is just by members of his own party.  
Then we heard from the icon of the National Party Dame Thea Muldoon. She said: “We have to make the best of what we’ve got. It’s not as if there’s anyone else there.” Well the one thing I do know is that Dame Thea knows a pig’s ear when she sees one. Bill English is increasingly becoming a tragic figure. Perhaps he is Hamlet—“To be or not to be.” In Bill’s case it is a matter of “To be for or to be against that is the question.” He wonders every day whether he should stand the slings and arrows of Gerry Brownlee or take arms against him. He is still making up his mind. Or perhaps he is Richard III: “My kingdom for a horse.” he says “Or anything to get me out of where I am at.” Maybe he is King Lear betrayed by those who claim to love him. What about Othello? People can make their own list in regard to the tragic figure that Bill English has become.  
He has become tragic because he gets so many things wrong. As the  
New Zealand Herald  
stated this week he takes one step forward and two steps back. He must feel like going down to the bottom of the garden and eating worms. He has been told that what he has to have is profile profile profile. He has been told to get out there and get himself noticed. The trouble is that nobody recognises him. We went to the Tuatapere sports day as members heard yesterday in an excellent speech from Lianne Dalziel. Bill arrived in his sunhat which was missing only the corks hanging around the bottom of it. The problem with the sunhat was that no one could recognise him. In fact nobody knew he was at his own sports day in Tuatapere. I say to him that if he wants to be recognised he should get rid of that sunhat and get himself one of those loyal New Zealand ones with a brim on the front. Maybe then he might stand out and be identified as being the leader of the National Party. 
He decided at Christmas to have a go at a bit of publicity. He thought: “I was an old health Minister so maybe I could get the spurs on again—“ 
Hon Ken Shirley 
: What? 
Hon ANNETTE KING 
: Yes he thought: “I’ll put my spurs on get back into the saddle and put out a statement on health.” The only trouble was he got it wrong yet again. He put out a statement saying that the new primary health organisations were going to provide 9-minute consultations. This is a man who prides himself on being a very successful Minister of Health. No one can remember what he did but he thinks he was very successful. He also prides himself on the fact that he has a wonderful relationship with the Pacific Island community. So in his endeavour to make a name for himself at Christmas he tried to use the Pacific people to make a splash. He said that the new primary health organisation in south Auckland a Pacific primary health organisation was to provide 9-minute consultations.  
Well first it backfired because he got it wrong. Second credible people like Dr Debbie Ryan and Dr Siro Fuatai said he had got it wrong. Third the facts proved he had got it wrong. Dr Fuatai who is the chair of one of the first primary health organisations in New Zealand said this about the new primary health organisation: that they had now started to make the sort of real difference to the lives in south Auckland that he would have liked to make years ago. If Bill English was such a friend of the Pacific people why did he not make an effort to reduce the cost of primary health-care for thousands of New Zealanders?  
Dr Fuatai said: “We now have access to extra resources in terms of staff and time and this has given us the stability to do the work for our people.” We are doing it not talking about it as Bill English is. Dr Fuatai went on to say: “The whole nature of patients’ consultation has changed. We spend longer with patients. People are now coming to us not because they are necessarily sick but to talk about how to prevent themselves becoming sick.” He said that the three practices were now seeing 20 percent more patients a day since they became a primary health organisation in July 2002. He said that one of the reasons people were coming was that consultation was free for children and $5 or nothing for people on low incomes.  
He said that reducing the price had helped people. We know that the cost of primary health-care is a barrier to people going to their local health professional and we have decided that we will make a major effort in the next 3 years to reduce the cost of primary health-care to New Zealanders. If John Key were to arrive in his local hospital to have his hip replaced he would have it done for free regardless of the fact that he is a millionaire. He would have his hip replacement done free in a public hospital. But if he were to go to his local doctor because he needed some health care he would pay top dollar but so would every New Zealander who earns over $19980. I do not know whether Mr Key could live on $19980 a year but that is the level of the community services card.  
And what has the National Party said? It has said that it would scrap our primary health-care strategy and keep the community services card. They will keep that card and keep access to doctors and nurses in New Zealand for the very very poor; whereas we say that every New Zealander should have access to affordable primary health-care to ensure that they keep themselves as well as possible.  
This is a major initiative by this Government. We have put in the money to provide for it. There has been no commitment by the National Party. In its health policy for the last election primary health-care was not even mentioned. It did not get even a line. It could not care a hoot about primary health-care. We do and the money has gone into it.  
I want to share with this House this graph with its very good colours. I say to Mr Key to look at the blue line. That represents the money the National Party put into health. The red part of the graph shows what Labour has put into health over the last 3 years. One dollar in every $5 now goes into health care in New Zealand. It has never been higher. In 1998-99 health as a percentage of Government expenditure was 18.3 percent. Today it is 21 percent. There has been no commitment by any Opposition party to put that amount of money into health.  
As I said we now have 21 percent of our total expenditure going to health. It was $6.5 billion in 1998-99 it is $8.8 billion this year and going up to $9.3 billion next year. That is a real commitment to health. Over this next 3 years we will see real improvements in primary health-care—the access to it the affordability of it for those who will be able and want to get primary health-care. We will see real action continuing on waiting lists in New Zealand. We will see real money being spent on mental health services. Since about 1996 the expenditure on mental health has almost doubled. We are in good shape in New Zealand by any international standards. 
Hon PETE HODGSON (Minister of Energy) 
: 
 Immediately after the last election the  
Wairarapa Times-Age 
 advised its readers that the election result was a humiliating rout of historic proportions for National; that it was a massacre. The  
Dominion Post 
 stated that it was a disaster and dismal. The  
New Zealand Herald 
 reported that the National Party was woefully unprepared and gutless. Wayne Mapp said that it was a drubbing. The  
National Business Review 
 not particularly known as the vanguard of the revolution stated: “The question is not why the vote splintered and people refused to vote National. No the question is why 21 percent of the voters decided to vote National at all.”  
But what did the members of the National Party say about the election? Annabel Young said: ``With an environment that looks like something out of  
Ally McBeal 
 but without the good looks no wonder they came up with a crappy strategy. The whole committee”—and she is referring to the National Party strategy committee—“needs to be chopped in the wake of Saturday of course but Murray McCully has now lost three elections in a row. Surely he needs to find more important things to be concentrating on.”  
Belinda Vernon said in much more measured tones: “The result is a hangover from National’s last term in Parliament with New Zealand First as a coalition partner. Other factors include the time it’s taken to settle into Opposition a recent period of change with new leader Bill English and new president Michelle Boag and the campaign spotlighting Mr English instead of including his experienced caucus.’’ which by the way implies an inexperienced leader. So on it went. Wayne Mapp said: “I believe that the principal reason our vote collapsed was that we failed to have a coherent set of policies for middle New Zealand.” Maurice Williamson said that National had suffered a cataclysmic defeat. He said: “It’s not just a drop or a big drop it is a collapse and the person who is at the top of an organisation”—and here he was referring to Michelle Boag—“has to accept that responsibility.” Richard Worth said: “I don’t see it as a burden representing Epsom though it will definitely be a challenge to lift National’s popularity.’’ An unnamed senior National MP said: “We suffered from an acute relevance deficit.”  
That was the election of last July. What we now have in Parliament is a National Party that simply cannot run itself. Immediately after the election Bill English asked out loud whether the party should receive votes when it had not demonstrated an ability to run itself. He said: “When we can show we can run ourselves people are much more likely to believe we can run the country. At this last election they didn’t think we could run ourselves. I am the leader so I am responsible.”  
What has happened in the 6 months since that historic defeat? There has been no defeat like it in the history of the New Zealand political system involving a centre-right party. The party called the National Party still cannot run itself and the symptoms are both public and obvious and subtle and less obvious. The public ones are the public divisions—the Brownlee articles the Williamson utterances the demoting of Georgina te Heuheu and so on. The private ones are more interesting. The media statements have no coherence to them. There is clearly no checking mechanism before they go out. National Party members are riding freely over one another’s policies. Wayne Mapp has something to say about almost anything and certainly Mr Brownlee has but so have Don Brash and Maurice Williamson. They have more than one public position on any matter. They have many positions on most matters. Even on basic stuff like how we manage the treaty partnership we have the leader of the National Party doing a really serious flip-flop between— 
Hon Lianne Dalziel 
: Every day! 
Hon PETE HODGSON 
: Yes every day but certainly if we take a look at it over the months we can see a leader who has moved from a position of basically saying: “I’ve studied the demography of our country. I’ve seen the future and it’s brown. We need to be there.” That is the position that the National Party leader has ordinarily taken. That is the position whereby he has stood up and been counted as someone who is looking forward.  
Over the summer we then had the extraordinary intellectual dishonesty of remarkable bits of research being done—some of it by Mr English himself no doubt but others by Simon Upton and so on. There has been some quite interesting research and studying of the nature of New Zealand in 1840 and how it changed through 1860 and so on. But we then have in the speeches coming out the intellectual dishonesty of just drawing a bunch of one-liners and drawing a bunch of conclusions that have no intellectual rigour to them at all. That is really worrying. The leader of the National Party is an important figure in New Zealand politics and for that to happen after all that research leads me to the view that so long as he has done the research he can convince himself that he does not really worry what he says. In other words the research has been done and the conclusions are known by the Leader of the Opposition to be junk but he will parade them anyway. That is really concerning. 
Even today the deputy leader of the National Party coming up with an amendment to the amendment to the amendment is an example yet again of a National Party that has nowhere to go.  
David Benson-Pope 
: Well most of them have gone somewhere. 
Hon PETE HODGSON 
: Most of them have gone somewhere. The leader spends most weekends one imagines rifling through filing cabinets looking for a philosophy because there is not one. National members have taken a remarkable position over the summer. They have said the way back to being a popular large political party is to become an extreme right-wing party. That is a remarkable strategy. It is one that will not work they know it will not work but they have done it by mistake because they had to do something. They do not know how to run themselves. They have not worked out what their philosophy is. It is very serious for the National Party. It is very serious for Bill English. It is very serious back in his electorate.  
I know the electorate quite well; we campaigned hard in it. We went to Gore we went to the largest town Balclutha and we went to lots of little towns like Winton Clinton Hinton and so on. We went to Ohai and Nightcaps—and David Benson-Pope advises that he won the occasional pool game. But if members look at the results in the Leader of the Opposition’s electorate they would have expected Labour to win Ohai and the Kaitangata booths and to be cleaned up everywhere else. Not so. Labour won Milton Riverton and the largest town in the electorate Balclutha. Labour won it on the electorate vote! Lesley Soper beat Bill English. That is not all. After the election Bill English closed his electorate office in Balclutha. The Leader of the Opposition closed his electorate office in the main town of his electorate. I do not know why he did it but it is remarkable. Then this year in January the Leader of the Opposition started running advertisements in his own newspaper advertising for National Party members in that blue-ribbon seat.  
Here is the problem the National Party has. Its next election is not about running the country. Its next election is about coming home first amongst the Opposition parties. National needs to beat ACT and New Zealand First—and it needs to beat them well—otherwise it is finished. National Party members know that so they have the problem of pretending to speak to the country. Actually they are interested in getting more than their fair share—about 50 seats. That is about the sum of it. That is a desperate position to be in. The problem is they are not doing too well at it. In the latest poll Bill English is no longer the second-highest scoring preferred Prime Minister. Of course Helen Clark is first by a country mile. But Bill English is not second—Winston Peters is. So the slide continues. It seems to me that it is not yet clear where it will stop and it will not be resolved by a change of leadership. Simon Power is too young Don Brash is too old Roger Sowry is called Napoleon and nobody likes him and Gerry Brownlee is a bit like a large cattle beast amongst the crockery so there is not really any option for the National Party but to stick with Bill English at least in the meantime. That is a remarkable position to be in and I am glad I am not a member of that party. 
Hon KEN SHIRLEY (Deputy Leader—ACT NZ) 
: 
 We expect in the debate following the Prime Minister’s statement that Ministers particularly senior Ministers will talk about a programme and a strategy. That is the purpose of the Prime Minister’s statement at the commencement of each year. What did we hear from the Minister of Energy who has just left the Chamber? Not a whisper not a murmur. He did not talk about the energy crisis that is looming in this country. We know that the Maui field is to be exhausted earlier than we previously thought. How many members realise what happened to the spot electricity price just a few weeks back? It went from the normal 6c per kilowatt hour to $93 per kilowatt hour. Whole industries in New Zealand like Kinleith and Kawerau the basis of our economy were forced to close down.  
I predict here and now that by mid-winter this year New Zealand will be deep in an energy crisis. That Minister who had the opportunity at the start of this Parliament to talk about energy which he is responsible for did not mention one word about the looming crisis. Why? Because he is doing absolutely nothing. He is sitting on his hands dragging his feet and refusing to address the key issues confronting the energy sector.  
It is well known that the ACT party had serious misgivings about National’s electricity reforms. We believe that Max Bradford and the National Party got it wrong. We strongly believe in the market but the model and the path that they went down was not the optimal one. But this Government has compounded those problems. This Government has nationalised the industry and we now have monopolies with State-owned enterprises on a regional basis. And those State-owned “gentailers”—because they control the generation and the retail they are called “gentailers”—are price gouging. They are playing the market and taking opportunities on the crisis that we have to extort our major key industries.  
Minister Pete Hodgkin is doing nothing about that. He is happy to see State monopolies because that is his philosophy. Labour members love State monopolies and all those profits are now pouring into their coffers so they can throw them away on all sorts of spurious Government spending. They should be addressing the basic infrastructure of energy that is the key to the success of this country and they are failing to do so.  
I turn to the issue of Iraq because again ACT is the only party that is clearly saying we should be standing beside our traditional allies Australia the United Kingdom and the United States. Increasingly the nations of Europe are coming in behind that coalition of the willing—Spain Portugal Denmark Italy. There are seven others in total apart from the UK. The only key exceptions are France and Germany.  
Let us look at the German situation. Germany under Gerhard Schroeder is in chaos. It is heading for economic ruin in a very unstable coalition Government with the Greens. Gerhard Schroeder campaigned in the last election late last year that even if the UN passed another resolution Germany would not support armed intervention in Iraq. Why? He was competing with the Greens. He was trying to outdo the Greens. Who is the Foreign Minister of Germany? It is Fischer who is a Green. So it is pretty clear where they are coming from.  
While on the one hand the Greens of the world say that they champion the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons to stop the horizontal and vertical spread of nuclear weapons together with all weapons of mass destruction when it comes to doing something about it and taking action against rogue States those Greens are not prepared to do a thing—other than to go off and be human shields. We have the co-leader of the Greens Rod Donald wearing his badge here in Parliament but he is not prepared to stand up and enforce the nuclear non-proliferation treaty. They love the treaty but when it is flouted by rogue States like North Korea and Iraq they will do nothing about it. 
ROD DONALD (Co-Leader—Green) 
: 
 I thank Ken Shirley for the free advertisement and I have some more good news for the House as well. Let us face it; it is time we had some on a day when petrol prices continue to climb because of bully-boy Bush’s threatening behaviour dairy farmers are losing another 10c a kilo on top of the $1.60 drop from last year’s high with all the consequences that will have for the economy and manufacturers are starting to shed jobs—50 alone at G L Bowron and Co. Ltd in Christchurch today—because of our overvalued dollar. The good news is that the quickest way to restore New Zealand’s dollar to a comfortable level would be for the Government to adopt the Green Party’s economic policies. Members do not have to believe me; that is what Minister of Finance Dr Michael Cullen said yesterday at the Finance and Expenditure Committee meeting. He was not serious but I took his comment as a compliment. That is because the Green Party’s economic strategy is focused on sustainability self-reliance and social justice. We are not interested in pursuing the policies of the current or previous Governments that have caused growing income inequality the squandering of natural resources and subservience to corporate globalisation.  
Dr Cullen in his speech yesterday dismissed the Greens as a “loony tunes” party but whose policies are really the loony ones? What sane sensible person would throw more than a billion dollars at the overseas sharemarket at a time of major volatility? We warned the Government but it went ahead anyway losing over $200 million of public servants’ retirement savings in the process and severely reducing the income of the Government Superannuation Fund. Apparently the Government still wants to do the same thing with the New Zealand Superannuation Fund. If Dr Cullen had put his first $600 million on the Dow-Jones index and the FTSE 100 index in July 2001 it would now be worth $326 million. No one can convince me that that is a smart way to save for retirement.  
What about the Singapore trade agreement? That is something else the Government trumpeted. New Zealand’s trade deficit with Singapore jumped from $24 million before the deal was signed to $220 million in the first year. Last year it was a further $207 million. If members think that is bad they should try China. Thanks to successive Governments reducing tariffs on clothing footwear and textiles not only have thousands of jobs been destroyed in New Zealand but our trade deficit with China has ballooned to over $1.16 billion. If we put it all together we have a sorry saga of trade deficits for 7 out of the last 8 years. The $2.3 billion downturn in the last 2 years will be small beer compared with the impact of the high Kiwi dollar when it really kicks in. The only saving grace is that the sell-off of New Zealand’s land and businesses to foreigners may slow down but a slice of heaven in Aotearoa is still cheap—still very cheap. What is more the Government’s determination to flog us off overseas highlighted by this week’s so-called investment regatta is all designed to encourage even more wealthy foreigners to turn our productive farms our unique coastlines and our offshore islands into safe South Pacific hideaways. Well we have an answer to that problem. We should ban outright the sale of New Zealand land to foreign-based individuals and corporations.  
I will be putting a bill in the members’ ballot to do exactly that but I fear that I may be too late. One of the demands the Government has received under the current GATT round at the World Trade Organization is for the Overseas Investment Commission to be scrapped. In other words the few protections that we have are under threat.  
That is not all that is under threat. The General Agreement on Trade in Services (GATS) is all about letting corporate capitalists get their hands on public services. The Government claims that it is not about to trade away the protections currently in place but how can we believe it when it has asked other countries to do exactly what it says it will not do itself? And how will we know what the Government is planning to offer at the World Trade Organization when it will not make it public let alone give Parliament the opportunity to debate it?  
Yesterday the Minster of Finance was asked to tackle the problem of child poverty. Despite 30 percent of New Zealand’s children living below the poverty line despite the Government running substantial surpluses and despite Dr Cullen planning to put aside $2 billion a year for our retirement he refused to respond positively to the calls from organisations such as the National Council of Women of New Zealand Presbyterian Support Services the Downtown Community Ministry (Wellington) Barnardos New Zealand Child Poverty Action Group and the United Nations Children’s Fund to invest in our young people. When I asked those groups whether they thought an operating surplus was real when there is still child poverty in New Zealand they all said “No”. 
Hon RUTH DYSON (Minister for ACC) 
: 
 In the debate over the last couple of days in the House I have heard my colleagues such as Pete Hodgson refer to the fact that in Bill English’s electorate Lesley Soper his Labour opponent won every booth but one in the last election and that Bill English straight after the election closed off his electorate office in Balclutha. That is extraordinary—talk about a bad loser. He packed up his electorate office and then started advertising for some help. It was help needed desperately by Bill English in his own electorate for people to join the National Party. I have heard my colleagues Lianne Dalziel and Annette King refer to their “day of fun” in Tuatapere—if that is not an oxymoron. They had a fantastic day at the annual gala in Tuatapere and they had the pleasure of introducing the current Leader of the National Party Bill English to his constituents none of whom recognised him. That is a pretty sad indictment on somebody who has represented that proud town of Tuatapere for many years.  
Despite all those instances and despite the fact that in his very first opportunity to make a mark in Parliament for this coming year Bill English as described in his own paper the  
Southland Times 
 was “battling not Helen Clark but semantics”. It stated: “Semantics were no match for Mr English. Just to be on the safe side he shot himself in the foot and then put the foot in his mouth.” That summed it up extraordinarily well. That is Bill English’s local newspaper. That is what they said about their local MP. “Just to be on the safe side he shot himself in the foot and then put the foot in his mouth.” 
Despite all those very clear signs of a man in tragic trouble I agree with Trevor Mallard. I think that the likelihood of Gerry Brownlee becoming the leader in the next little while has considerably diminished and I will tell members why. The plan was very clearly exposed in the  
Press 
 our local newspaper in Christchurch on Monday under the headline: “Williamson backs Brownlee”. If that is not the kiss of death for Gerry Brownlee in his future leadership aspirations I do not know what is. But I do not think that Maurice Williamson has ever done anything without thinking about it and giving it a lot of consideration. It is my view that he has now gone back on Bill English’s side because he knows that Gerry Brownlee cannot do it and he knows that the path is now opening up for him. 
Hon Lianne Dalziel 
: Yes I think it’s him. 
Hon RUTH DYSON 
: I think it will be him because the others are clearly not up to it. But the time will come when hopefully Maurice Williamson will be rewarded for the contribution he has made to the great once-proud National Party particularly over recent times. He was the only member of Parliament prepared to stand up for what National Party members throughout the country both of them were saying about the party president and for that he was treated in a totally unacceptable manner. He was put way down the back of the Chamber. We cannot even see Mr Williamson from where we sit over here. He is so far down the back of the Chamber. All the contribution he made in the past to the National Party including being a Cabinet Minister of very high regard was just ignored. No wonder Bill English is in trouble. 
I would like to say a couple of things about my own portfolios in the minutes I have left. I begin by thanking Helen Clark for giving me the honour of taking over the role of the senior citizens portfolio from the previous Minister Lianne Dalziel. Not only is it an honour to have the advocacy Minister portfolio on behalf of all senior citizens in New Zealand but also it is a great privilege and a challenge to follow in the footsteps of Lianne Dalziel. I want to give her well-deserved praise for her fantastic advocacy on behalf of all senior citizens in New Zealand. I hope that Lianne Dalziel is in a position to be able to hear this praise. 
What I hear from Grey Power members throughout the country is that until the day Lianne Dalziel was elected and appointed as Minister for Senior Citizens they did not know they had one. For the previous 9 years they had had nothing at all from the National Government. They did not even know who the previous Minister was. I happened to know but they did not even know who he was. Lianne Dalziel has set very high standards in the last 3 years. She has set high standards in an area that clearly this Government sees as an advocacy ministry. It is based on respect for older people. It is based on valuing older people. It is based on ensuring that the issues of special concern to all our senior citizens are raised directly around the Cabinet table and listened to. 
I will be very pleased to carry on the excellent work that Lianne Dalziel has done on their behalf. I certainly hope I enjoy it as much as she has over the last 3 years. I know that she was not enthusiastic about moving away from that portfolio; one does get attached to advocacy work in that way. I pay justified tribute to the work she has done and I hope that in 3 years’ time—or 6 years’ time because Bill English certainly has indicated that we will have another term—I will be able to hand the portfolio on to another Minister who will be as enthusiastic about it. 
I turn to one of my other portfolio areas accident compensation. On 1 February we enshrined the Code of ACC Claimants’ Rights in our legislation with its release. That was a very satisfying day for me. The Code of ACC Claimants’ Rights is as important in the spirit of its delivery as it is in the legislation itself. It is about accident compensation being fair and clearly that is anathema to people like the Hon Dr Nick Smith. He used National’s opportunity in Government to move accident compensation in exactly the opposite direction without restoring the right to sue which by the time we came into Government was a clear call. We have said no to the right to sue but we have said that the fairness that was enshrined in the original legislation now had to be reintroduced into accident compensation—fairness in the administration fairness in the application of the legislation and fairness in the method of dealing with accident compensation claimants. That includes a proactive response in raising issues that the Accident Compensation Corporation should be supportive of. I am delighted to see that code now enacted from 1 February.  
I have another new portfolio Minister of Women’s Affairs which I took over from the middle of August last year. This week in Greymouth I attended the first consultation meeting on an action plan for New Zealand women. It took some considerable time to get to the area unfortunately because Hokitika airport was fogged in as my plane was trying to land. I do not hold Damien O’Connor responsible for that but I do hold him responsible for the enthusiasm I saw all around the West Coast There was enthusiasm for the disability issues that I talk to people about and certainly at the meeting to which I just referred there was enthusiasm from women from Greymouth and surrounding rural areas for the activity that this Government is undertaking on their behalf. There was also very strong support for the local member of Parliament Damien O’Connor and I am not surprised about that at all.  
We now have over 50 meetings planned for throughout the country where women of all ages and from all regions can have a say in the development of an action plan for New Zealand women. It is over a decade and a half since this sort of work was done because women were ignored by the previous National Government as were most New Zealanders to the shame I must say of some women members of Parliament at the time. Georgina te Heuheu rightly hangs her head. She struggled as Minister of Women’s Affairs to raise issues of concern. She got no support from her colleagues. I know that and I want to pay tribute to her for at least attempting to get some issues raised on behalf of women. Well done I say to Mrs te Heuheu. I acknowledge her attempt unsuccessful though it clearly was.  
I look forward to those meetings and obviously as Minister for Disability Issues I was very pleased to have tabled in Parliament the most recent report on the implementation of the disability strategy. That is an area that is going to receive continued focus over the next 3 years because there are disability issues in New Zealand that have been ignored for decades and will not be ignored in the future by our Government. We set out a clear 3-year programme over the last term. We have done the same for this term for disability issues. Our priorities are employment education and improving the attitudes of New Zealand citizens towards people with disabilities. We want to make a world of difference by our action. We want to have an inclusive society. I look forward to being part of a Government that continues its steady progress towards that end. 
Hon Dr NICK SMITH (NZ National—Nelson) 
:  
What was absent from that Minister’s speech was any vision of the future of New Zealand and any accountability or explanation to the old people who were defrauded when they were told that legislation to remove asset testing would be introduced last year. That Minister was silent on the sorts of issues that ordinary New Zealanders are asking about.  
I want to support the leader of the National Party who has rightly put on the political agenda for the year 2003 the issue of the sickly political correctness of this Government on what the treaty means for ordinary New Zealanders. Government members opposite are so confused about what they are doing in that area that they do not want to debate it. Yet the way in which the treaty is being applied is changing the fabric of the country.  
I want to raise with this House my concern about what is occurring in education. On Monday I visited the new early learning centre at Christchurch Polytechnic. It is a shocker. Members have to see it to believe it. In the name of the treaty and biculturalism the taxpayer has funded New Zealand’s first apartheid pre-school. [ 
Interruption 
] I invite the members who are howling to visit it and see what is going on. It is a monument to political correctness gone wrong. The new centre—[ 
Interruption 
] I ask Mr Donnelly because he has been to see it. 
Hon Brian Donnelly 
: I have heard a lot about it. 
Hon Dr NICK SMITH 
: Let me tell the member about it. The new centre has been built in two mirror halves with a central core that includes the entrance the administration area meeting room and staff room. That is all shared. It seems it is OK for Maori and non-Maori staff to share space in the staffroom but not OK for children to share space. Children are drafted at the entrance with Tamariki going to the left; other children to the right. It is not just the learning spaces that are separate; the children are fenced off from each other in the playing areas. The sleeping areas are separate. The toilets and changing rooms are also separate. During a normal day Maori and non-Maori children will see each other only on arrival and departure. I know that apartheid is an emotional term but it is the only term to describe such madness. This centre is licensed to care for and educate up to 85 children from newborn babies to 5-year-olds. I cringe at the message that we are giving young minds for the most influential 5 years of their lives and for their first encounter with the State education system.  
The Maori wing of the centre—Te Waka Huruhurumanu ki Otautahi—provides a bilingual programme. The non-Maori childcare centre also has a strong Maori component. The irony is that the 30 percent Asian and 70 percent Pakeha children get to sing Maori songs learn Maori greetings but are fenced off from being able to play with Maori children only a few metres away. I asked the centre why it was that way. I asked why Asian children were integrated with those of European descent whereas the Maori children were segregated. I was told that it was because of the treaty and the polytechnic’s commitment to biculturalism. What does the treaty say that means that children are to be segregated from birth? The centre seems to represent the exact opposite of those immortal words spoken on 6 February 1840: “ He iwi tahi tatou”. The reason that National is pressuring the Government about the treaty is that this is the exact sort of nonsense that will go on when Ministers parrot words like “biculturalism” “partnership” and “tino rangatiratanga” without the blindest idea of what the words mean. I stand on this side of the House and say that I do not want apartheid pre-schools. I do not want children to be divided by race. 
Hon Tariana Turia 
: I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. The member has used inappropriate language. The member used the word “apartheid” when obviously he does not understand it in its appropriate context. 
Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: That was not a point of order. 
Hon Dr NICK SMITH 
: The most emotional experience I had last year was visiting the apartheid museum in South Africa. 
Hon Tariana Turia 
: I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. The behaviour of the speaker is highly offensive and it should not be allowed in the House. If we are not allowed to use the word “racist” he should not be allowed to use the word “apartheid”. 
Hon Dr NICK SMITH 
: Well what is it when they separate the kids? 
Hon Tariana Turia 
: It is not apartheid. 
Hon Dr NICK SMITH 
: Point of order— 
Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: I am just ruling on a point of order. The honourable member referred to an apartheid museum. Is that correct? 
Hon Dr NICK SMITH 
: Correct. 
Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: That is not using the word in an offensive way.  
Hon Dr NICK SMITH 
: When I visited that apartheid museum in Johannesburg last year never in my worst dreams did I think I would see the same thing going on in this country—and in Christchurch. It makes me feel sick that that is the sort of society that Labour wants for New Zealand. I make no apologies for standing on this side of the House and saying that that is not the sort of New Zealand I want. I have young children going to pre-school centres today and I want them to live in a society where they go alongside Maori students where they learn Maori welcomes where they learn Maori songs and where they are proud to have friendships with Maori children. The policies of this Government are preventing that sort of approach. What members opposite do not seem to understand is that good race relations start in pre-school start in our classrooms and move out onto the playing fields. They want to segregate those areas. It is ironic that members opposite—those left-wingers who stood on the barricades protesting at apartheid only two decades ago—now want to fund apartheid pre-schools in our own dear country. 
Helen Duncan 
: I raise a point of order Madam Deputy Speaker. I wish to protest against the use of the word “apartheid” on the grounds that the member talked about Government policy and then about apartheid. The commonly held meaning of apartheid is a regime of government that enshrines racial segregation in law. That is not the case in this country and I object to the word being used in that way. It is contrary to order in this House. 
Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: The term cannot be used to describe the Government.  
Rod Donald 
: I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. I have just spoken to Ali Hughes the associate registrar at Christchurch Polytechnic and she has assured me that children of any ethnicity can enrol at either childcare centre. One is an immersion centre and the other is the old polytechnic crèche. 
Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: That is actually a point of debate Mr Donald. We can take time to clarify that question in the debate. 
Ron Mark 
: I raise a point of order Madam Deputy Speaker. We have had a succession of pointless interjections by various Labour Party members that you ruled not to be points of order. None of those members were under the control of the senior Government whip who sat there and blindly let it happen. That was followed up by another point of order which you ruled as not a point of order. All of that time including this time now—which I seek a redress for—is coming off this debate time. It affects other speakers from other parties further down the line. I seek the leave of this House that all of the time that has been lost be added on to the debate so that the speeches of no other members are disadvantaged. That includes Labour members who have yet to come forward. 
Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: But the member has sought leave for that. Is there any objection? There is. 
Ron Mark 
: You prat! 
Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: That is out of order Mr Mark. 
Ron Mark 
: What is? 
Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Commenting after the leave was refused. It was properly asked for and properly refused. 
Hon Dr NICK SMITH 
: I raise a point of order Madam Deputy Speaker. I have faced six points of order in the course of this speech all of which you have ruled out. On a number of occasions speakers have said that where there has been a deliberate breaking up of a member’s speech we should properly allow for that member to express his or her point of view in this Parliament. I ask you to take the precedents that have been set by Speakers in the past to ensure that my speech is not further interrupted by inappropriate points of order and that I am given the time that is being taken up by those interjections and breaks in my speech which you have ruled out of order. 
Hon Tariana Turia 
: I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. The member has been misleading the House. 
Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: The member cannot say that. The member needs to withdraw and apologise. 
Hon Tariana Turia 
: I withdraw and apologise. 
Ron Mark 
: I note from the speaking list that the very person who will be affected by a reduction in speech time as a result of the points of order that you have ruled out of order and which will bite into the 14 hours allocated is a Labour speaker. I seek the leave of the House that that Labour speaker will be permitted to have a full 10-minute speech. 
Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: The Standing Orders clearly state 14 hours. That is what we are continuing with. 
Ron Mark 
: I have sought the leave of the House and you are obligated to seek the leave that I have asked for. 
Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: You have sought the leave of the House and it has been refused. 
Ron Mark 
: Just now? I did not hear you put it. 
Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: All right I will put it again. Leave is sought by Ron Mark to extend the time. Is there any objection? There is. 
Hon Dr NICK SMITH 
: I challenge those members to go and visit the centre. At the door they point “children” one way and “tamariki” the other. The children do not have any contact time at any point during the course of the day. I again challenge those left-wing members opposite—who were proud to stand on the barricades opposing apartheid 20 years ago who were part of the civil rights movement that in the 1960s tried to bus children so that they could be integrated together—to say why in God’s name we are building pre-schools that today separate Maori from other children. I say that is wrong. I say that it is not appropriate and that there needs to be a different approach. [ 
Interruption 
]  
At least Tariana Turia is honest. I give her credit for the fact that she is prepared to be honest and say that she favours segregation. At least I can have an honest debate with Tariana Turia about that sort of separatist approach. I have to say from this side of the House that that is not the future I want for New Zealand. 
Hon Tariana Turia 
: I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. I would like the member to withdraw and apologise. I have never advocated separatism in this country. 
Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: The member has taken offence. There should not be any more personal reflections like that. Would the member please withdraw the comment he made about advocating separatism. 
Hon Dr NICK SMITH 
: I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. I am unclear. I said that I respected the opinions honestly expressed by Tariana Turia in respect of that matter. Therefore I am unclear as to what I have said that requires me to withdraw and apologise. I have said nothing that is outside of the Standing Orders. 
John Carter 
: The Hon Dr Nick Smith has made a statement that referred to the Hon Tariana Turia. If she believes that it is inaccurate her redress is to make a personal explanation to the House at an appropriate time. It is a debating point and Dr Smith is entitled to make a statement even if it might not be factually correct. If necessary a personal explanation can then be made. This is starting to bite into my speaking time.  
David Benson-Pope 
: My colleague Tariana Turia clearly stated that she had taken offence at the comments that were made. You made a ruling Madam Deputy Speaker and directed the member to withdraw. He has yet to do so and that is clearly in breach of the Standing Orders. I ask you to ask him to obey the directive from the Chair. 
Hon Dr NICK SMITH 
: I want to make my position plain Madam Deputy Speaker. What I sought was an explanation from yourself as to what comment it was that you required me to withdraw. I make the point that this afternoon Labour Minister Trevor Mallard spent 5 minutes bagging my name and saying all sorts of things that were incorrect. I made a personal explanation and that is the proper course of action. I suggest to Tariana Turia that in relation to the comments that I have made there are provisions under the Standing Orders that enable her to make a personal explanation at the conclusion of my speech—just as I did earlier. 
Mark Peck 
: The matter in my view is very simple indeed. You have made a ruling Madam Deputy Speaker and the member opposite is challenging that ruling which has become a habit of Opposition members during this term of Parliament. Madam Deputy Speaker your ruling must be upheld. The member must apologise. If he still has a point he can take a fresh point of order after that. He most certainly has no right to challenge your ruling in the way that he has done.  
Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: I ask the Hon Nick Smith to withdraw. You will now withdraw. 
Hon Dr NICK SMITH 
: I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. I am happy to withdraw but you need to tell me what it is you wish me to withdraw. 
Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: I have already indicated that offence was taken by another member at the language the member used. Offence was taken I ruled in that way and I now ask the member to withdraw.  
Hon Dr NICK SMITH 
: I am befuddled but I withdraw. 
David Benson-Pope 
: I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. That was a clear breach of the Standing Orders of this House. You know and the member knows that when a member is asked to withdraw he or she does so without any additional comment of any kind. 
Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Yes the member does know that. Would the member like to withdraw. 
Hon Dr NICK SMITH 
: I withdraw. Is it not interesting that members opposite are so determined to stop a debate on just what they are doing to New Zealand with their political correctness over the Treaty of Waitangi. It is a disgrace. I ask the next Government speaker to justify why $880000 of public money has gone to build an apartheid pre-school in Christchurch where Maori children are separated from non-Maori children. I want to make it plain that this side of the House does not support that sort of approach to education in New Zealand. I ask members opposite what sort of signal we are sending children as they walk in the door and from the ages of 0 to 5 years are separated out. What sort of message are we sending those children about their first experience with the State education system in the first 5 years of their education? That is not the sort of approach I want for New Zealand. It is a disgrace and I want it changed.  
I have two challenges this afternoon. First I challenge Christchurch Polytechnic to reintegrate that early learning centre. One might be able to justify a separate area for the learning of the Maori language but why do we need to separate Maori children from other children when they sleep? Why do they need to have separate sleeping areas? 
MARK PECK (NZ Labour—Invercargill) 
: 
 I seek leave to table three documents. The first is a record of comments by a Mr Kevin Richards of Drummond in the Leader of the Opposition’s electorate. After attending Waitangi Day celebrations he said he hoped that others with racist feelings or anger might see his story and start to question their own hatred. 
Document by leave laid on the Table of the House. 
MARK PECK 
: I seek leave to table a leaked letter to Mr Kevin Richards in which I invited him to join my party on the marae after he contacted my office to tell me that he was going to protest. 
Document by leave laid on the Table of the House. 
MARK PECK 
: Thirdly I seek leave to table a media release in which I congratulated Mr Kevin Richards for confronting his anger and dealing with it. 
Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought for that letter to be tabled. Is there any objection? There is objection. 
Hon Dr NICK SMITH (NZ National—Nelson) 
: 
 I seek leave to table a set of background notes on the Christchurch Polytechnic early learning centre including a plan of its layout. 
Document by leave laid on the Table of the House. 
DAVID BENSON-POPE (NZ Labour—Dunedin South) 
: 
 The Government certainly finds itself in an extraordinary position at the beginning of another year and only three months into its second term. Over the last 3 years we have had extraordinarily strong leadership which has been welcomed by the community and the stable Government that New Zealanders want. That is why we have such a firm platform on which to build. In the last 6 months the new Government has made significant progress in delivering the commitments we made at election time.  
We have improved access to primary health-care and that has been for us a top priority because we know it is better to prevent illness and tackle health problems early rather than concentrate on secondary and tertiary services in the first instance. Already the primary health organisations are providing a range of primary health-care services to over 500000 New Zealanders. The majority are therefore guaranteed lower costs and assured of access to comprehensive and coordinated primary health-care. A further 25 primary health organisations will start by 1 April and by then it is estimated that 1.4 million New Zealanders will be enrolled in those organisations. What a great achievement! I congratulate my colleague Annette King on such progress.  
We have a growing economy. There has been an increase in activity of 3.9 percent in the year ended September—so more people are in real jobs. There are almost 15500 fewer people on the main unemployment benefit than there were a year ago— 
Ron Mark 
: What amount is casual labour? 
DAVID BENSON-POPE 
: I tell Mr Mark there are almost 120000 more jobs than there were in December 1999. In addition yesterday those extraordinary unemployment figures from the household labour force survey were released. They are the best figures in more than 15 years. Unemployment is continuing to trend down across all sectors and is now at an extraordinarily pleasing 4.9 percent. That is great news for all New Zealanders.  
This Government has assured victims a fairer deal. The Victims’ Rights Act passed in October 2002 gives victims the mandatory rights they have long deserved. We have cut the cost of tertiary education committing $420 million over 4 years in that area. If we had not halted the fee increases of the 1990s students would be paying on average $1000 more a year and facing further increases this year. We have made major progress on Maori television. That is a key element for the enrichment of the cultural fabric of this country and we should all welcome its arrival. In the compulsory education sector we are funding more than 700 teaching positions over and above what would have been required for roll growth alone and we will continue to invest in increased teacher numbers. We are strengthening and expanding opportunities for people to learn in the workplace. By the end of the year we will have 6000 young people in Modern Apprenticeships—an increase of 100 percent since the middle of last year. On the environmental front we have ratified at long last the Kyoto Protocol to start making some positive improvements in the long-term health of this planet. 
This Government will continue to provide stability and strong leadership. We know that there is no reason for complacency or self-satisfaction. We have set ourselves tough goals and we are going to achieve them over the next 3 years and into the long-term future. Our aim—an aim that is supported by the New Zealand community—is to build and sustain solid levels of economic growth and to fund good public services for all New Zealanders. We have well and truly rejected the discredited directions of the 1990s—the direction that the sad people on the opposing benches seem to want to reintroduce. 
Ron Mark 
: What happened in 1984? Were you asleep? 
DAVID BENSON-POPE 
: We will continue to work to offer more opportunity and security and a better quality of life for all New Zealanders—even Ron Mark.  
Compare that with the performance of the lazy leaderless lot opposite. The most telling indication for me is the almost total absence of National Party members from the Chamber over the last 3 days. We have seen sometimes three often two frequently only one person or a whip on the National Party benches. It appears that they have already given up to New Zealand First their claimed role as the prime party of Opposition. Many in the media and around Wellington are now referring to the National Party as “absent without leave” perhaps even “missing in action”—as my colleague Trevor Mallard commented earlier. I know I cannot name them but I welcome the presence of the three members of the National Party who have deigned to come into the debating chamber this afternoon. The best those people can do is compliment the Government by referring to us as a three-term Government and confirm that most powerful criticism of all—that we have done what we said we would do. Thanks Mr English. For us it doesn’t get any better than that!  
What else is there? Let us look at ACT with its schemes and scams. We know about Owen Jennings and his pyramid schemes; Rodney Hide with his mysterious dealings in Fiji and now it appears that there are rather more pressing concerns closer to home. Ken “Kangaroo Court” Shirley has been accused of defamation by the West Coast police. 
John Carter 
: I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. Members are to be referred to by their names and not by all sorts of innuendo.  
Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: That is absolutely correct. The member will use the proper name. 
DAVID BENSON-POPE 
: Ken Shirley was accused by the West Coast police of defamation. Not one of those members is without a dark cloud somewhere and unlike most dark clouds there is no silver lining to be seen. The community is finally seeing ACT and its new supporters for the political cockroaches they are.  
New Zealanders are delighted that Mr Prebble’s little house of cards is finally tumbling down. Let us focus for a moment on Mr Prebble. The presenter of  
Morning Report  
of Tuesday this week said: “The ACT leader Richard Prebble says that as far as he is concerned Mrs Awatere Huata’s days as an ACT MP end today.” In his own speak Richard Prebble said: “Well using the British parliamentary example we are withdrawing the whip and we are saying to Parliament that Donna Awatere Huata is not an ACT MP and we are not prepared to vote her. In our system that will mean that we will be voting eight instead of nine MPs.” Mr Prebble continued: “As far as I am concerned the principle is that we are not prepared to vote her because she has not met the standards required of ACT MPs.”  
From the behaviour of the members of that party they are not very high standards but that quote came from the self-imposed master of the rules. He wrote to the Speaker at the same time as the suspension knowing full well that the decisive suspension has no effect in terms of the Standing Orders. Mr Prebble cannot have it both ways. Either Mrs Huata is an ACT member or she is not. Can we reconcile Mr Prebble’s words to Parliament stating that Donna Awatere Huata is not an ACT MP and they are not prepared to vote for her? Can we reconcile those words with Mr Prebble’s cynical manipulation of the Standing Orders? No we cannot. So which way does it run? Do we assume like everything else from ACT that it is really about keeping one’s hands on as much of the money as one can and making sure those nameless backers of the ACT party out in the darkness get their way in this society?  
What else is there at the bottom of the bucket? Well there is poor benighted New Zealand First. The dog legislation and its godfather! He is not in the House. We in this House have all noticed that in the absence of its leader Winston Peters that party has neither policy nor any knowledge about what to do. And poor benighted Dail Jones gets it oh so wrong. Without Mr Jones and Mr Prebble that legislation would have already been with a select committee. Without those members that select committee could already have been inviting public submissions. Without those members playing their stupid games the community could already be having their say about the development of policy and law in this Government. They have not got it yet! Why do we enjoy such support in the polls? Why do 20 percent of committed National voters prefer Helen Clark over their own leader? Why is 60 percent of the population and 71 percent of business convinced that this country is proceeding in the right direction? Because we consult listen to the community and do what we tell the community we will do.  
As my colleague mentioned earlier voters in Clutha have not missed the significance of the closure of Mr English’s electorate office. I think they are telling Mr English that it is time for him to find a post office and line up in Dr Brash’s queue. 
RON MARK (NZ First) 
: 
 Might I say firstly that it is good to be back. I congratulate all members on having a safe Christmas. I am looking forward to the rest of this year.  
Having just heard that rather interesting contribution from the senior Government whip a member who sits on a salary higher than most members in this House receive I now do not understand one reason for taxpayers paying him anything. The first thing I want to say to him is that if he feels seriously strongly and passionately about an issue then he should come down to the House and talk about it. Obviously someone else wrote his speech for him because he had to read the whole thing out. If he had something serious to say something he seriously believes in then he would have stood in the House like some of the great orators who have gone before him in time such as David Lange to name one and just spoken from the floor. But oh no what did we see? The man stood up and read word for word off his speech. That tells me he knows nothing about the things of which he speaks.  
So let us talk about this Government. Over the holiday period we all witnessed the events in Iraq as they unfolded—[ 
Interruption 
] Sometimes one really has to worry about the well-being of some people who sit in those seats. That lady should take a pill. Over the Christmas holiday much of our time was occupied in watching the events unfold in Iraq and the Gulf. All members in this House have had to exercise not only their minds but also their consciences as to where they sit on this issue. I have noted the Government’s comments. I have also noted the fact that we have service personnel deployed in the Gulf of Oman already and that they are setting about doing their duties in terms of supporting Operation Enduring Freedom. I will be watching with interest to see how this Government handles any further deployments.  
My greatest concern and I will signal it now as we head into what could become known in history as the Third World War—because there are very few nations that are not now engaged in some way—is that there be a debate in this House. I expect and indeed the taxpayers the citizens and the voters of this country will demand that that occur before this Government commits its service personnel to any further involvement in that region. So far we have not had debate. We have skived around the issue by saying that it is an extension of an operation that we were already engaged in in Afghanistan. Well I can accept that to a point. But the point is here now and any further involvement that this Government commits this country to in respect of actions in the Gulf I expect to be debated on the floor of this House. 
Jill Pettis 
: As we always do! 
RON MARK 
: No I say to Jill Pettis the junior whip who is more highly paid than most other MPs in this House the House did not debate the deployment to the Gulf of Oman. Do not sit here and lie to me— 
Clayton Cosgrove 
: Point of order— 
RON MARK 
: Oh that got him on his feet! 
Clayton Cosgrove 
: I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. I think you can anticipate my point of order. That is an outrageous breach of the Standing Orders and I think that the member should withdraw and apologise. 
Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: The member accused the other member of telling a lie. The member will stand up and withdraw. 
RON MARK 
: Speaking to the point of order Madam Speaker— 
Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: No no the member will stand up— 
RON MARK 
: Are you going to bully me into this without listening to an explanation?  
Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: The member will please be seated. I have clearly ruled on the matter. The member will stand up and withdraw the remark about— 
RON MARK 
: I withdraw. 
Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: No I have told the member to withdraw the remark. 
RON MARK 
: I withdraw the remark. That member over there said in her own words that this Government has debated every military deployment it has instigated. That did not happen with the deployment to the Gulf of Oman. How would members interpret her comment? I know how everybody in New Zealand who is listening would interpret it and I know how I interpret it but I am not permitted to say so in this House. That would seem to be somewhat bizarre but we shall move on. The point I say to Jill Pettis is that I expect a debate in this House before the Government deploys any troops to any action in Iraq. We expect that and so does New Zealand. The member should wake up.  
Over the next few months there will be closer scrutiny on a number of areas of the Government’s portfolios because the Government has shown that it is incapable of acting in certain areas. I point to the corrections portfolio for a start. Before the House rose and we went into the Christmas break the select committee was advised that the cost of the Ngawha prison would be $105 million. Today we read in the newspapers that Ngawha will top $132 million. In my book either the Minister of Corrections should get the sack or the head of the Department of Corrections should get the sack because I know Helen Clark and she always utters the truth. She said there would be new levels of accountability in this Government. Not only do we still have the ongoing issues of Ngawha that the people of Northland are protesting about which is their democratic right but also we have a very simple issue of accountability. And how big are we around this Chamber on chasing issues of accountability? Eighty-nine dollars worth of underpants kept the Labour Opposition Party going for years! Yet here we have a Budget blowout of $100 million and no one is fired. 
There are people in Northland who would say and one would have to forgive them: “It’s probably because the Pakehas are running it eh?”. One would have to take that on the chin. From where they sit when their concerns are being ignored and they see these sorts of numbers coming in one could forgive them for saying that. But all we know is that it is simple incompetence. It is not racism; it is incompetence. It is incompetence by the Government because it has allowed the situation to get to that stage; it is incompetence by the Minister because he has done nothing about it and still does nothing; and it is incompetence by the head of that department who probably is paid more than the Prime Minister because of creating such a disaster in the first place.  
The corrections problems do not just sit there do they Tariana Turia? The honourable Minister over there knows of the issues inside of corrections that have yet to be addressed in terms of the way it runs itself. I am looking across this House for support. 
Darren Hughes 
: So conciliatory. 
RON MARK 
: Young Daryl Hughes can scoff but behind him sits a Minister with far more experience knowledge and information at her fingertips than that junior member will ever have no matter how much he might aspire.  
There are issues to deal with in corrections. We can look in the Christchurch-Canterbury prisons can we not? We need to look at the goon squad. We need to look at all the decisions. We need to look at the death of an inmate that the coroner said was contributed to by the actions of corrections staff and management. What have we done? Absolutely nothing! A young man is dead because he was given a day out to visit a woman who is known for dispensing drugs illegally. She has since been convicted of giving him the drugs that ended his life. What have we done? Nothing! This House is sick to death of hearing Labour members and I have to say Progressive Coalition members out on the hustings saying all the things they want to do to people. “Poor inmates”—yet when it came to the goon squad when it came to Canterbury prisons and when it came to that young man nothing was done. He is dead. His parents grieve. His family grieve. The only reason he is dead is that he was allowed back into prison. He was not searched. He used the drugs he was given on a little day outing that was not properly supervised and he overdosed. Oh brilliant! Well done corrections! And well done the Government which has not acted to clean up what is going on inside corrections. I can name about five or six members on the Government benches who know precisely of what I speak.  
We can do this the hard way or we can do it the easy way. The Government can take control of it sort it out and work with its own members who know what is going on or we will do it the hard way. The hard way is through the media—it is “kick down get out drag it out do it bad and dirty”. And who wins? Really nobody wins. I would much rather see the Government members who know what is going on inside corrections bring the issue to a head and then we deal with it as a Parliament and in a way that Helen Clark said she would with her new levels of accountability. Well it ain’t happening! It has not happened for 3 years. We are out to 4 years and my heart is telling me that if it is left to this Government it might not happen.  
I am looking at a very eminent lawyer—I cannot think of his name—who is sitting in the ranks over there. He is well known for standing up for and protecting prisoners’ rights. I expect more from that man. We have heard a lot about how Maori are doing so well economically. Is it not a shame that the Kyoto agreement and the Climate Change Response Bill will now impact so heavily on Maori corporations that are trying to develop their economic well-being? What have I heard out of any one Maori MP on those benches? Zip zero nothing zilch! And that is right at a time when we are going to see a downturn as announced by Fonterra in the payouts to those corporations. But of course we will hear the rantings around the House about how Maori should do more for himself. The Kyoto agreement and the Climate Change Response Bill will do nothing for their farms. 
Hon MATT ROBSON (Deputy Leader—Progressive) 
: 
 Helen Clark’s statement to Parliament outlined the progress that had been made and will be made by the Labour-Progressive Government. I am not surprised that an unimaginative National Party put a motion of no confidence. I was surprised that the Green Party since Green members vote as part of the 63 votes that give a majority to the left in this Parliament would fall into line with National on that. Confidence has been rising in the Labour - Progressive Government because of the dramatic improvement in our economic development and social well-being.  
The last speaker made reference to the area of corrections. That is one example of a dramatic growth in confidence in the way the Government looks after the well-being of our people. Today a sentence under the new Sentencing Act was given for a particularly heinous crime. A serious offender who is in the category of needing to be separated from the public for possibly the rest of his life has been sentenced. That Act was passed to deal with the few dangerous offenders. It also pointed the way towards dealing with the sad many who fill up our prisons and mental institutions. This Government is acting on both sides. There is a lot that has been done and there is a lot to be done for public safety but this Government is committed to doing it.  
Many speakers on the Government side of the House have outlined the achievements of the Government but it is worth repeating a number of them. First there is a dramatic drop in unemployment which means there has been a dramatic increase in jobs. The basis of that has been the planning and commitment to investing in New Zealand and to developing our regions. My leader the leader of the Progressive party—which is a partner in the coalition Government—Jim Anderton has played a very big role in that. That is not only because of his own ability—he undoubtedly has a lot of that—but is also because he has been part of a programme committed to using the resources of the Government and putting them back alongside the community. Now we have 15500 fewer people unemployed than a year ago and 123000 more jobs than in December 1999.  
In community safety and care for the public we have passed the Victims Rights Act and we have made sure that there is a balance between what we are doing with offenders what we are doing for victims and what we are doing with early intervention. We have increased teaching positions and dealt with the issues of assisting those students who are in tertiary education to have lower fees and certainty regarding the fee structure they will have. Six thousand Modern Apprenticeships will now come on stream this year. In environmental matters the Kyoto Protocol despite the huffing and puffing of the Opposition is in place and is putting us at the forefront of the world of dealing with those issues—as has the Royal Commission on Genetic Modification by putting in such a comprehensive set of guidelines. The Progressives are proud to be part of that set of achievements.  
Of course we want to go further than that. We entered the election with a set of cornerstone commitments. Those were to move towards full employment and to have free education and health care support of families that leaves no one behind strong safe communities and investment in New Zealand. Each of those will be discussed in the Budget round and we will seek to move as quickly as possible on their implementation.  
In particular we are concerned with taking effective steps to eliminate poverty over all areas and especially child poverty. Poverty takes many forms and is often not recognised for what it is. Poverty exists in the family that struggles to make ends meet. In this Budget round and in ministerial policy debates we will discuss the following: setting a timetable to eliminate child poverty prioritisation of spending on poverty issues reviewing all Government spending for its impact on children supporting more inter-departmental and inter-agency approaches increasing Family Start and early intervention programmes and complying with the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child. Yesterday Michael Cullen advised the Finance and Expenditure Committee as reported in the  
Dominion Post 
 that his priorities were “a big rise in family support payments and incentives to get beneficiaries into paid work … because many children in low-income families underperform at school because they move houses and thus schools frequently.” Such steps are what the Progressives are working for to attack poverty at its roots.  
The Prime Minister in her statement referred to the Labour - Progressive Coalition agreement to promote work and life balance policies. As part of that balance the Progressives have introduced my Holidays (Four Weeks Annual Leave) Amendment Bill. We want the substantial part of the lower-paid workforce that is deprived of the leave entitlement that management—and members of Parliament—give themselves to gain that increased quality time of rest and recreation with family and friends. We are hopeful that other parties will act on that issue of equity and will support the measure. With the trade union movement and community organisations we will campaign for that balance between work and life.  
International events also confront us. We face the most serious question of all for a nation: the threat of war. The Progressives stand unequivocally as part of the Government for the principles of international law. That means working in the United Nations for the rule of law not the policy of might is right. As Helen Clark said in her statement the New Zealand Government like most governments has sought to uphold the principles of multilateralism the international rule of law and the authority of the Security Council throughout the crisis. The people of Iraq deserve that protection and respect. It is possible to stop by weight of world opinion the United States launching that war which is a war it wants in order to advance its political economic and strategic interests. The last time that the United States initiated a regime change in Iraq was in 1968 when it installed Saddam Hussein. It was not a good idea then and it is not a good idea now. I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. Do I not have a 1-minute bell? 
Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: No. The speech was over 5 minutes. 
Hon MATT ROBSON 
: My apologies. 
Hon GEORGINA TE HEUHEU (NZ National) 
: 
 In my view three points arise in the context of the Prime Minister’s speech—not because she addressed them but for the reverse reason: she did not address them. The first is that the economic and social advancement of Maori is critical to New Zealand’s future growth prosperity and well-being. The second point is that the Maori economy is poised for expansion and growth. The third is that all governments have a clear responsibility to create a framework that enables individuals and communities to flourish and grow and in doing so to build a nation together. Maori are most certainly included in that third point.  
On the first point the economic and social advancement of Maori this Government uses words that suggest it understands that but its actions show that it does not. No nation can afford to carry a significant chunk of its population that is underachieving is welfare-bound and has little prospect of improving its condition. Maori are a big part of that chunk but that chunk of people also includes other New Zealanders. This Government for all the effort it supposedly puts into the Maori community has shown that it is not capable of understanding the importance of advancing Maori economic and social well-being. We still have near to 400000 people on welfare. A fair number of those are Maori. There is an unacceptable rate of illiteracy. Fourteen percent of all those about to enter the workforce cannot read or write. A lot of those are Maori. 
Some communities are facing epidemics of preventable diseases such as diabetes and obesity and in some drug and alcohol abuse is rife. Parts of our communities have substandard housing. One in three children are living in poverty. The Government likes to boast that it has brought down the rate of unemployment. The rate of general unemployment is running at around 4 percent but the rate of Maori unemployment still sits at 11.5 percent. That is not acceptable and that does not match the words of this Government.  
That is what I mean when I say that the Government is great on words but short on action. None of those issues are being addressed. The Prime Minister can boast about the relationship building with Maori communities that has been going on for the last 3½ years but political relationship building and hui no matter who convenes them are not addressing those basic problems at all. That is not good for Maori or for New Zealand. New Zealand suffers when Maori economic and social well-being is not advanced. This Government has no answers on the issues I have raised.  
My second point is that the Maori economy is poised for expansion and growth and while the Minister of Maori Affairs likes to boast about that as though he had a part to play in it I say it has happened despite this Government. Much of the growth and expansion in the Maori economy occurred in the 1990s and that was acknowledged in a report launched by the Minister of Maori Affairs last week. It will be a case of shame on this Government if that growth and expansion does not occur. Maori collectively own assets and businesses that produce $1.9 billion each year. That demonstrates the capacity of Maori when they are given the right environment—and they were given the right environment in the 1990s—to grow to develop their assets and to create wealth for this country. It also gives lie to the myth that Maori are a drag on the economy. They are not—not in respect of the business enterprises they are running. The drag comes in when the Government keeps Maori tied into dependency and does little to address some of the basic issues facing our families.  
I refer to a recent speech given by Rob McLeod the senior Maori businessman who is now chair of the Business Roundtable. He refers to—in fact he laments—this Government’s anti-business and anti-growth policies. That comes from a man who for much of his career has been involved in business and has participated in growing businesses. So he has some grounds on which to lament the anti-growth policies of this Government. His conclusion after a survey that was done by the  
New Zealand Herald  
at the end of last year is that New Zealand’s growth will not go anywhere unless this Government gets off its behind and starts to promote policies that actually support and enhance business development and enterprise. Maori business is included in that and it will be a case of shame on this Government if the growth and expansion that is poised to occur in the Maori economy does not occur.  
The third point I referred to is that the Government has a clear responsibility to create a framework that enables individuals and communities to flourish and grow and in doing so to build a nation together. Part of building a nation together is that we take everybody with us and if Maori communities and individuals require that extra resourcing and funding be put into those communities then that is done with the support of the wider community because it benefits the wider community to support such policies. However this Government wants to keep the Maori vote and it is now looking at a party New Zealand First that is quite capable of capturing that vote— 
David Benson-Pope 
: Aw! 
Hon GEORGINA TE HEUHEU 
: Actually that is true. Why did John Tamihere get stuck into that Maori group in New Zealand First yesterday? It was because that group poses a threat to the Maori vote that is now currently held by a Government that treats that vote in a condescending patronising manner. It is shameful that the Government does that.  
This Government advances Maori interests in a way that turns the community off. In terms of capacity in the 1990s National promoted treaty settlements and policies that advanced Maori health education and such. We brought the New Zealand public along with us and showed there was a clear balance to be struck. This Government has no idea of that balance. The reason is that this Government is for getting the Maori vote and says to heck with anybody who gets in the way of that aim. Maori are most certainly included in the nation-building exercise. In respect of their own assets they have shown that they are as capable of helping to create wealth for our country as the next person. This Government will have to answer to the Maori people if it gets in the way of nation building that brings Maori Pakeha and all other interests along.  
I go back to my three points. The economic and social advancement of Maori is critical to this nation. The Maori economy is poised to grow and expand and this Government ought to be creating a framework that enables the nation to grow. It is doing none of those things and it does not understand any of them. The Prime Minister’s speech was short on any vision that addressed those matters. The Labour Party will suffer at the next election when New Zealand First grabs more of the Maori vote. 
MAHARA OKEROA (NZ Labour—Te Tai Tonga) 
: 
 Ko toku nei tu tuatahi he mihi aroha atu ki a ratou ra e piupiu ai te rau o te kawakawa mai i te wa e whaka kapi mai tenei pouwhare o te motu nei tae noa mai ki te whakatuwhera ano i tenei wa i roto i runga i nga ra e rua. 
[An interpretation in English was given to the House.] 
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Firstly I stand to pay a tribute of sadness to all those who passed away in the period that this illustrious House has been in recess up to the time it re-opened 2 days ago 
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I stand here today proud to be a member of a Government that demonstrates both stability and strong leadership. I ask that honourable member not to go away as I want to comment on and analyse what she said. All that I can say is encapsulated in a phrase which is that I thought it was a dance of verbal desperation. We understand that Georgina te Heuheu the only Maori member on the National bench is over there as part of that party. In a way I say aroha atu matou ki a koe. [ 
we pity you 
] I am pleased to be part of a Labour - Progressive Coalition Government that is committed to the well-being of all New Zealanders and that recognises little people and gives voice to the voiceless. It is a Government that is prepared to ensure that the democratic processes and procedures enable all its citizens to participate in and to contribute to their communities if they so wish and is a Government that is prepared to look at the structural impediments to that and remove them if necessary or alternatively to create more liberating and participatory institutions and systems.  
Once again we have been reminded by the Prime Minister the Rt Hon Helen Clark of the importance of the Treaty of Waitangi and of the importance of having a well-educated informed and knowledgable public that can participate in informed discourse and debate. I look forward to that. During the time I have been here in the House I have listened to uninformed and ill-informed debate from a member who was once the whip of the New Zealand First Party and who made some disparaging remarks about our two whips who will be here for the whole term. Treaty education is essential to the smooth running of our society. We cannot continue to be subjected to the emotive and ill-informed rantings of the current temporary captain of the National Party. He is a man who in an act of counter-transference appears to be holding the Treaty of Waitangi responsible for the division and the disunity within his own party. It is little wonder that our people are getting browned off.  
I have just learnt that the temporary captain of the National team has talents that were previously unrecognised. I suppose in some societies they call it the third eye but in our society we call it the gift of matakite which means the ability to foresee. For example Bill English has stated that this coalition Government is a three-term Government although the election is at least 30 months away. On the other hand which leader of a party concedes defeat before a contest takes place? Does that mean my interpretation should be that quitters never win and winners never quit but that those who never win and never quit are idiots? Is that how I should interpret that? Sitting around and lying in wait are a number of heavyweight wannabe captains who must be girding their loins in glee and anticipation. The Rt Hon Winston Peters’ smile has a gloss more brilliant than his normal glow of confidence. It has been demonstrated that the leader of the Opposition could have damaged himself as he attempted to gerrymander a caucus vote to enable him to box his way out of a paper bag that has enveloped him—a big brown paper bag that is also known to pack a punch.  
We have been subjected to the brain-damaged bleatings of the leader of the remnants of the National Party who describes any attempt to redress inequity or injustice as apartheid. His use of that word is inappropriate. That does not bother him; he is more interested in appealing to the insecure and the ill-informed and in strengthening his very tenuous hold on his captaincy. What a sad commentary it is on us as politicians that people have to appeal—and I suggest members over there on the Opposition benches listen to this—to base human instincts in a desperate attempt to cling to power.  
Bill English seems to have forgotten that it was a previous National Government that supported the establishment of kohanga reo when our people identified a solution to a need. Was that an act of apartheid? No it was not. It was a recognition underfunded though it was by that Government of a need to support a solution to a problem identified by Maori. It was support of a “for Maori by Maori” initiative—an initiative that we in this Labour - Progressive Coalition Government continue to support because of its positive outcomes and its demonstration that people are able to meet their own needs. The support for kohanga reo continues to be the recognition of tangata whenua world views policy systems and practices.  
The Maori world is tired of the myth of privilege that has been peddled around by members of this House every time that a Maori initiative is supported. Where is the privilege in having disproportionately high rates of unemployment school failure poor housing poor health and incarceration? If those are indicators of privilege then I am sure our people will give up those privileges for the burden of full employment academic success adequate housing good health and freedom from incarceration. That myth of privilege is what indigenous people like the Australian Aboriginals the Hawaiians and the First Nation peoples of America and throughout the world have always had to endure—that is all peoples who have been colonised. 
I now turn to the contribution that Maori have made to our economy. A recently published report by Te Puni Kokiri and the New Zealand Institute of Economic Research identified the benefits of the Maori economy to the New Zealand economy. It stated that Maori production contributes $1.9 billion per year and about $826 million in operating surpluses. But are we complacent about that? Absolutely no way!  
Finally I refer to something that I saw on television from the very astute constitutional lawyer Mai Chen. She stated that this Government has been upfront and totally transparent in putting its policy initiatives before Aotearoa to be monitored and evaluated in terms of its progress. That takes heaps of courage good teamwork and good team support from the members of this Government. What do they have over there in the Opposition? Those things have all disappeared. The Opposition members have no fresh ideas no leadership and no future. Kia ora mai tatou.  
MURRAY SMITH (United Future) 
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 Twenty-seven years ago the then Labour Government led New Zealand into a dark tunnel. It asked New Zealanders to trust it to lead the way through the tunnel and out the other side and New Zealanders gave it that trust. The tunnel I am referring to is the redressing of the Crown’s breaches of the Treaty of Waitangi over 150 years and the development of a New Zealand society that gives appropriate contemporary recognition to the relationship that was formed between Maori and non-Maori in 1840. Most New Zealanders know and accept that immediately following the signing of the treaty the Crown reneged on its obligations. Not only that but it suppressed tikanga Maori and te reo Maori forcing Maori to conform to the inherited British culture. Acts of Parliament were passed stripping Maori of their lands their identity and their mana. Maori lost much of their self-esteem and the social statistics over the last 150 years graphically evidence that repression.  
An often overlooked consequence of those actions is that non-Maori New Zealanders became accustomed to living in a society developed entirely from British culture—dominated by non-Maori where Maori in general had little material wealth and even less socio-economic status—which ignored the rights of Maori that the Crown as signatory to the treaty had promised to protect.  
During the 1990s in particular the National Government decided to its credit to continue to address the difficult issue of putting right the wrongs perpetrated against Maori and to move New Zealand ahead as a unified nation. It moved away from the colonialist attitude of its predecessor Governments. However 27 years later we are still in the dark tunnel. The Labour Government is leading our nation seemingly promising us that as we address the wrongs done against Maori a new society will emerge at some unknown time in the future in which Maori will attend their rightful place whatever that might be.  
But just what is Labour’s vision for this new society? What do they think New Zealand will look like in 10 20 or 50 years’ time? If they have any such vision why will the Prime Minister not share it with the rest of New Zealand? The answer is that Labour does not know where it is going. It apparently cannot see any light at the end of the tunnel and is wandering in the darkness asking New Zealanders to simply trust it even though it is blind.  
The Prime Minister in her speech referred to the Government “continuing its partnerships with Maoridom”. Labour’s manifesto refers to its “strengthening its relationship with Maori as treaty partner”. But what of this partnership? Is this a 50-50 partnership? Are Maori and non-Maori to have an equal say in the government of the country and everything below it? Is that what the Labour Party envisages? If so it is time it told the country; if not what sort of partnership proportions are we talking about? 
The Government is giving mixed signals. On the one hand it is increasingly legislating for compulsory Maori consultation on a wide range of issues. That points towards some sort of 50-50 partnership. On the other it seeks to marginalise Maori passing a bill allowing for Maori seats in local government that will effectively mean that Maori have a mere 15 percent representation on local authorities and that once their 15 percent voice has spoken the other 85 percent of non-Maori elected representatives will use their vast majority to make the decision. That would suggest an 85-15 partnership based on population size. Is that what the Labour Government means by partnership?  
The National Party having started off down the tunnel has now decided that it no longer wants to follow Labour through the tunnel. It has decided to go back to the beginning of the tunnel to go back to the colonial past where the predominantly non-Maori government dominated Maori affairs and Maori had to simply fit in with what the Government decided was best for the whole of New Zealand. Any concept of working together with Maori or embracing Maori culture has gone out of the window.  
The fact that National has only made such a dramatic policy U-turn to differentiate itself from Labour makes its pragmatic policy experiment reprehensible. National promotes policies that would again repress Maori and count the treaty as simply a historical document with no significance in modern New Zealand. I predict that as a result of National’s new position we will this year see the rise of an extremely divisive and highly charged debate that will set New Zealanders against each other in a highly destructive way. The flame had already begun. National has just poured petrol on the fire.  
New Zealanders are becoming tired of being led through the tunnel with no end in sight. If they could only be shown the light. If they could only be shown that the credible endeavours of this Government to bring Maori up to the same living standards as non-Maori and to redress the grievances was being done with all urgency and that there is a clear commitment that in 10-15 years time the grievances would be behind us the Maori statistical indices would equate to the average New Zealand indices and we could move forward as a unified nation again—Maori and non-Maori together. That is the vision that New Zealand asks for this year but it is a vision that the Labour Government is unable to deliver. 
JILL PETTIS (NZ Labour—Whanganui) 
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 I am very pleased to join this debate following the Prime Minister’s statement. The Prime Minister’s statement was an excellent statement to the country and the House. It set out this Government’s plans for the future and our future is to build and sustain solid levels of economic growth and to fund good public services and infrastructure sustainably. This is a debate where the Government expects to get bit of a towelling but it did not happen. There is no firepower at all in the Opposition. The Opposition is fractured— 
Rod Donald 
: My apologies to the honourable member. I seek to table something that I think she will find very interesting. It is a press release that has just been issued by the Christchurch Polytechnic headed: “Comments on apartheid pre-school are abhorrent and misinformed”. I seek leave to table that. 
Document by leave laid on the Table of the House. 
JILL PETTIS 
: I am happy to have a press statement such as that tabled during my comments. I am sure I will endorse and support every word that is contained within it. 
As I said the Government expects to get a bit of a towelling during debates such as this but it did not happen.  
I want to devote a short time to talking about what is actually happening to the Opposition in this country. Good government needs good opposition. First of all I want to talk about the ACT party. For years that party has turned around and portrayed itself as the party of business. Well it has quite a lot of business experience but that business experience does not necessarily mean that it equates with the type of business the rest of New Zealand respects. We have Mr Eckhoff who wanted to farm Kiwis. We have Owen Jennings who was an expert at pyramid selling. Perhaps he is headed for Egypt as I speak. We have Mrs Awatere Huata who is greatly into fashion show chaperoning—the type of chaperoning one wants when one does not really need it. We have Rodney Hide with his wonderful Fijian economic tours. We have Muriel Newman who recommends that the poor and downtrodden pick fruit and eat as much from the grower as they can while they are in the process of doing so. If that does not work they can become women of the streets. Now who in their right mind would recommend that?  
Deborah Coddington 
: I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. The member is not allowed to use words like that against members— 
JILL PETTIS 
: It is in her book. The member should read her book. It is in Muriel Newman’s book.  
Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: That is not a point of order.  
JILL PETTIS 
: The member should read the book then see the movie.  
Then we have National with a brat pack. It is out of date out of time and out of humour. The brat pack is led now I assume by Roger Sowry who was weaned on a pickle. The National Party is just shaking dead rats. We have Don Brash who is portraying himself as the future business leader and finance spokesperson. He even fancies himself with that role for New Zealand. I have to say that Mr Brash and I share one thing and one thing only in common and that is that we were both born in the same city. There the comparison stops.  
Mr Brash talks about people being frog-marched to collect rubbish—those who are not currently employed. He does not talk about upskilling people; he has a patronising tone towards people and is so out of date time and humour that he is referring to people signing up at 8 o’clock in the morning at the post office. Well we all know what has happened to post offices in New Zealand and when questioned on National Radio earlier this week about that not working Dr Brash had to say that there was nothing wrong with it. I just have to say to him that he should come into the real world.  
It gets worse—and I am sorry to hear this of Dr Brash because he is an intelligent man and I say that with absolute sincerity; nobody doubts the man’s intelligence at all—because he is engaging in beneficiary bashing and stigmatisation looking for a group to discriminate against and pitting New Zealanders against other New Zealanders. He is turning those who are strong against those who feel weak often through no fault of their own. New Zealanders want to work together. For the first time in many many years New Zealanders have pulled together worked together and are looking forward now with a vision about ourselves. We are feeling confident and strong about where we can go as New Zealanders. I think New Zealanders as a whole from throughout the provinces the metropolitan areas and the small rural towns are feeling a sense of well-being about themselves that they have not experienced for a very long time.  
We know as a Government that there is an awfully long way to go. There is no room for complacency at all. The task in front of us as a Government and as a country is huge. We are a small geographically isolated country but we pull beyond our weight and we are developing a new sense of confidence about the fact that we can do that. We do not want to go back to the days of beneficiary bashing.  
I am reminded by this most graphic cartoon which I am holding up for the House of those days of Ruth Richardson. If she lived where she grew up she would be a constituent of mine but she does not live in the electorate any more. The cartoon quotes Ruth Richardson as saying: “Good news! Good news! Under National solo mothers will be able to work.” And there is a picture of a solo mother doing what most mothers do—standing up to their elbows in the sink and making sure their children are fed. The depiction of that patronising attitude that used to prevail is so out of date that this country does not want to go down that track again.  
Some fantastic fabulous things are happening in my electorate of Whanganui. We have the most encouraging employment growth that we have had for many many years. There are fewer people unemployed now in Wanganui than there have been for nearly 15 years. We have wonderful growth in regional tourism and we have a sense of positiveness in our electorate that I have not seen for a very long time. The people have a spring in their step because they are feeling confident and good about themselves.  
In closing I want to comment very briefly on this dreadful awful debate that is ensuing about immigration. I want to encourage the leader of the New Zealand First Party and his colleagues to stop bashing our immigrants. It is despicable and uncalled for. My electorate needs immigrants to fill skilled positions. We are all immigrants in some way or other and I am shocked at this terrible attack that is occurring against immigrants who are welcome in this country. I welcome immigrants into this country and I am asking New Zealand First to stop this bigoted attack on people whom we need in New Zealand. Immigrants are welcome.  
Debate interrupted.