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Kemp Takutai TarshTAKUTAI TARSH KEMP (Te Pāti Māori—Tāmaki Makaurau): Ko ahau ko Takutai Moana Natasha Kemp e oati ana ka noho pūmau taku pono ki ā tātau mokopuna e ai ki te tikanga Māori. Ka kawe ahau i āku mahi me ōku herenga me te whakamahi hoki i tōku mana e ai ki Te Tiriti o Waitangi. Toitū te Tiriti.[I Takutai Moana Natasha Kemp swear that I bear true allegiance to our future generations in accordance with tikanga Māori. I will perform my functions and duties and exercise my powers in accordance with Te Tiriti o Waitangi. Honour the Treaty.]Ko ahau ko Takutai Moana Tarsh Kemp e oati ana ka noho pūmau taku pono ki a Kīngi Tiāre te Tuatoru me tōna kāhui whakaheke e ai ki te ture. Ko te Atua nei hoki taku pou.[I Takutai Moana Tarsh Kemp swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles III His heirs and successors according to law. So help me God.]CLERK: Do you declare this oath to be binding on you?TAKUTAI TARSH KEMP (Te Pāti Māori—Tāmaki Makaurau): Āe.
Kapa-Kingi MariamenoMARIAMENO KAPA-KINGI (Te Pāti Māori—Te Tai Tokerau): Tēnā tātau e te Whare. Ko Mariameno Kapa-Kingi tōku ingoa. E oati ana ka noho pūmau taku pono ki ā tātau mokopuna e ai ki te tikanga Māori. Ka kawe ahau i āku mahi me ōku herenga me te whakamahi hoki i tōku mana e ai ki Te Whakaputanga e ai ki Te Tiriti o Waitangi. Tēnā tātou.[I greet the House. My name is Mariameno Kapa-Kīngi. I swear that I bear true allegiance to our future generations in accordance with tikanga Māori. I will perform my functions and duties and exercise my powers in accordance with Te Tiriti o Waitangi.]KarakiaKo ahau ko Mariameno Kapa-Kingi e kī ana i runga i te pono i te tika i te ngākau tapatahi me te whakaū anō ka noho pirihonga ka noho pūmau ki a Kīngi Tiāre te Tuatoru me tōna kāhui whakaheke e ai ke te ture.[I Mariameno Kapa-Kingi solemnly sincerely and truly declare and affirm that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles III His heirs and successors according to law.]
Jones ShaneHon SHANE JONES (NZ First): Ko ahau ko Shane Geoffrey Jones e oati ana ka noho pūmau taku pono ki a Kīngi Tiāre te Tuatoru me tōna kāhui whakaheke e ai ki te ture. Ko te Atua nei hoki taku pou. [I Shane Geoffrey Jones swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles III His heirs and successors according to law. So help me God.]
Jackson WillieHon WILLIE JACKSON (Labour): Ko ahau ko William Wakatere Jackson e oati ana ka noho pūmau taku pono ki a Kīngi Tiāre te Tuatoru me tōna kāhui whakaheke e ai ki te ture. Ko te Atua nei hoki taku pou. [I William Wakatere Jackson swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles III His heirs and successors according to law. So help me God.]
Hoggard AndrewHon ANDREW HOGGARD (ACT): I Andrew John Hoggard solemnly sincerely and truly declare and affirm that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles III His heirs and successors according to law.
Hipkins ChrisRt Hon CHRIS HIPKINS (Labour): I Christopher John Hipkins solemnly sincerely and truly declare and affirm that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles III His heirs and successors according to law.
Henare PeeniHon PEENI HENARE (Labour): Ko ahau ko Peeni Ereatara Gladwyn Henare e oati ana ka noho pūmau taku pono ki a Kīngi Tiāre te Tuatoru me tōna kāhui whakaheke e ai ki te ture. Ko te Atua nei hoki taku pou. [I Peeni Ereatara Gladwyn Henare swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles III His heirs and successors according to law. So help me God.]
Hamilton RyanRYAN HAMILTON (National—Hamilton East): I Ryan Alexander Hamilton swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles III His heirs and successors according to law. So help me God.
Grigg NicolaHon NICOLA GRIGG (National—Selwyn): I Nicola Anna Grigg solemnly sincerely and truly declare and affirm that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles III His heirs and successors according to law.
Goldsmith PaulHon PAUL GOLDSMITH (National): I Paul Jonathan Goldsmith swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles III His heirs and successors according to law. So help me God.
Ghahraman GolrizGOLRIZ GHAHRAMAN (Green): Ko ahau ko Golriz Ghahraman e kī ana i runga i te pono i te tika i te ngākau tapatahi me te whakaū anō ka noho pirihonga ka noho pūmau ki a Kīngi Tiāre te Tuatoru me tōna kāhui whakaheke e ai ki te ture.[I Golriz Ghahraman solemnly sincerely and truly declare and affirm that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles III His heirs and successors according to law.]
Genter Julie AnneHon JULIE ANNE GENTER (Green—Rongotai): Ko ahau ko Julie Anne Genter e kī ana i runga i te pono i te tika i te ngākau tapatahi me te whakaū anō ka noho pirihonga ka noho pūmau ki a kīngi Tiāre Tuatoru me tōna kāhui whakaheke e ai ki te ture. [I Julie Anne Genter solemnly sincerely and truly declare and affirm that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles III His heirs and successors according to law.]
Garcia PauloPAULO GARCIA (National—New Lynn): I Paulo Reyes Garcia swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles III His heirs and successors according to law. So help me God.Ako si Paulo Reyes Garcia ay sumusumpa na ako ay magiging tapat at mag-aalay ng tunay na katapatan sa Kanyang Kamahalan kay King Charles III sa Kanyang mga tagapagmana at kahalili alinsunod sa batas. Tulungan nawa ako ng Diyos.
Foster AndyANDY FOSTER (NZ First): I Andrew Foster swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles III His heirs and successors according to law. So help me God.
Fleming GregGREG FLEMING (National—Maungakiekie): Ko ahau ko Gregory Wray Fleming e oati ana ka noho pūmau taku pono ki a Kīngi Tiāre te Tuatoru me tōna kāhui whakaheke e ai ki te ture. Ko te Atua nei hoki taku pou. [I Gregory Wray Fleming swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles III His heirs and successors according to law. So help me God.]
Ferris TākutaTĀKUTA FERRIS (Te Pāti Māori—Te Tai Tonga): E te Whare tēnā tātou. Ko ahau ko Tākuta Ferris e oati ana ka noho pūmau taku pono ki ā tātau mokopuna e ai ki te tikanga Māori. Ka kawe ahau i āku mahi me ōku herenga ki te whakamahi hoki i tōku mana e ai ki Te Tiriti o Waitangi.I Tākuta Ferris swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to our mokopuna according to tikanga Māori. I will perform my functions and duties and exercise my powers in accordance with Te Tiriti o Waitangi. WaiataHakaKa tohe au ki te tangata nāna nei i whakataurekareka Te Tiriti o Waitangi. I a ha! E tū te iwi Māori!Nā wai rā i kī rā mā te Karauna anake? Nōku te whenua he taonga nōkuUpokokōhua te mataku e.[I contend with the person who treated the Treaty of Waitangi with derisionHow dare they! To the Māori people stand up!Who was it that said it is for the Crown alone?The land is mine it is a taonga of mineBe very afraid.]Ko ahau ko Tākuta Ferris e kī ana i runga i te pono i te tika i te ngākau tapatahi me te whakaū anō ka noho pirihonga ka noho pūmau ki a Kīngi Hare Hare te Tuatoru me tōna kāhui whakaheke e ai ki te ture.[I Tākuta Ferris swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles Charles III His heirs and successors according to law.]
Edmonds BarbaraHon BARBARA EDMONDS (Labour—Mana): Ko ahau ko Barbara Rachael Fati Palepa Edmonds e oati ana ka noho pūmau taku pono ki a Kīngi Tiāre te Tuatoru me tōna kāhui whakaheke e ai ki te ture. Ko te Atua nei hoki taku pou.[I Barbara Rachael Fati Palepa Edmonds swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles III His heirs and successors according to law. So help me God.]O a'u Barbara Rachael Fati Palepa Edmonds ou te tauto atu la'u lagolago ma le tautua faamaoni i le Tupu o Salesa le Tolu atoa ma ona Suli ma i latou uma ua filifilia i lalo o le tulafono e faataunuuina ona tiute. Ia fesoasoani mai le Atua ia te aʻu.
Doocey MattHon MATT DOOCEY (National—Waimakariri): I Matthew Maurice Doocey solemnly sincerely and truly declare and affirm that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles III His heirs and successors according to law.
Davidson MaramaHon MARAMA DAVIDSON (Green): Ko ahau ko Marama Mere-Ana Davidson e kī ana i runga i te pono i te tika i te ngākau tapatahi me te whakaū anō ka noho pirihonga ka noho pūmau ki a Kīngi Tiāre te Tuatoru me tōna kāhui whakaheke e ai ke te ture.[I Marama Mere-Ana Davidson solemnly sincerely and truly declare and affirm that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles III His heirs and successors according to law.]
Davidson ReubenREUBEN DAVIDSON (Labour—Christchurch East): Ko ahau ko Reuben John Davidson e oati ana ka noho pūmau taku pono ki a Kīngi Tiāre te Tuatoru me tōna kāhui whakaheke e ai ki te ture. Ko te Atua nei hoki taku pou. [I Reuben John Davidson swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles III His heirs and successors according to law. So help me God.]CLERK: Do you declare this Oath to be binding on you?REUBEN DAVIDSON (Labour—Christchurch East): I do.
Court SimonSIMON COURT (ACT): I Simon Thomas Court solemnly sincerely and truly declare and affirm that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles III His heirs and successors according to law.
Costley TimTIM COSTLEY (National—Ōtaki): I Timothy John Costley swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles III His heirs and successors according to law. So help me God.
Costello CaseyHon CASEY COSTELLO (NZ First): I Cassandra Jane Costello swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles III His heirs and successors according to law. So help me God.
Collins Fa'anānā EfesoFA'ANĀNĀ EFESO COLLINS (Green): Ko ahau ko Fa'anānā Efeso Collins e oati ana ka noho pūmau taku pono ki a Kīngi Charles te Tuatoru me tōna kāhui whakaheke e ai ki te ture. Ko te Atua nei hoki taku pou.[I Fa'anānā Efeso Collins swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles IIII His heirs and successors according to law. So help me God.]O a'u Fa'anānā Efeso Collins ou te tauto atu la'u lagolago ma le tautua faamaoni i le Tupu o Salesa le Tolu atoa ma ona Suli ma i latou uma ua filifilia i lalo o le tulafono e faataunuuina ona tiute. Ia fesoasoani mai le Atua ia te aʻu.
Chhour KarenHon KAREN CHHOUR (ACT): E kī i runga i te pono i te tika i te ngākau tapatahi me te whakaū anō ka noho pirihonga ka noho pūmau ki a Kīngi Tiāre te Tuatoru me tōna kāhui whakaheke e ai ki te ture. [I solemnly sincerely and truly declare and affirm that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles III His heirs and successors according to law.]
Cheung CarlosDr CARLOS CHEUNG (National—Mt Roskill): I Chun Ho Carlos Cheung swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles III His heirs and successors according to law. So help me God.本人Chun Ho Carlos Cheung謹此宣誓將依法竭誠效忠查理斯三世國王陛下及其世襲繼承人和繼任者。願主佑我。
Carter KahurangiKAHURANGI CARTER (Green): Ko ahau ko Kahurangi Carter e kī ana i runga i te pono i te tika i te ngākau tapatahi me te whakaū anō ka noho pirihonga ka noho pūmau ki a Kīngi Tiāre te Tuatoru me tōna kāhui whakaheke e ai ki te ture.[I Kahurangi Carter solemnly sincerely and truly declare and affirm that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles III His heirs and successors according to law.]
Campbell HamishHAMISH CAMPBELL (National—Ilam): I Hamish George Campbell solemnly and sincerely truly declare and affirm that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles III His heirs and successors according to law.
Cameron MarkMARK CAMERON (ACT): I Mark Stuart Cameron swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles III His heirs and successors according to law. So help me God.
Butterick MikeMIKE BUTTERICK (National—Wairarapa): I Michael Butterick solemnly sincerely and truly declare and affirm that I will be faithful and bear allegiance to His Majesty King Charles III His heirs and successors according to law.
Brownlee GerryHon GERRY BROWNLEE (National): I Gerard Anthony Brownlee swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles III His heirs and successors according to law. So help me God.
Brown SimeonHon SIMEON BROWN (National—Pakuranga): I Simeon Peter Brown swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles III His heirs and successors according to law. So help me God.
Brooking RachelHon RACHEL BROOKING (Labour—Dunedin): I Rachel Brooking solemnly sincerely and truly declare and affirm that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles III His heirs and successors according to law.
Brewer CameronCAMERON BREWER (National—Upper Harbour): I Cameron Eric Brewer swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles III His heirs and successors according to law. So help me God.
Boyack RachelRACHEL BOYACK (Labour—Nelson): Ko ahau ko Rachel Elizabeth Boyack-Mayer e oati ana ka noho pūmau taku pono ki a Kīngi Tiāre te Tuatoru me tōna kāhui whakaheke e ai ki te ture. Ko te Atua nei hoki taku pou.[I Rachel Elizabeth Boyack-Mayer swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles III His heirs and successors according to law. So help me God.]
Bishop ChrisHon CHRIS BISHOP (Leader of the House): I Christopher John Stuart Bishop swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles III His heirs and successors according to law. So help me God.
Bidois DanDAN BIDOIS (National—Northcote): I Daniel Michael Bidois swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles III His heirs and successors according to law. So help me God.
Bayly AndrewANDREW BAYLY (National): I Andrew Henry Bayly swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles III His heirs and successors according to law. So help me God.
Bates CarlCARL BATES (National—Whanganui): I Carl Michael Bates swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles III His heirs and successors according to law. So help me God.
Arbuckle JamieJAMIE ARBUCKLE (NZ First): I Jamie Arthur Arbuckle swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles III His heirs and successors according to law. So help me God.
Anderson MilesMILES ANDERSON (National—Waitaki): I Miles John Anderson swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles III His heirs and successors according to the law. So help me God.
Andersen GinnyHon GINNY ANDERSEN (Labour): Ko ahau ko Virginia Ruby Andersen e kī i runga i te pono i te tika i te ngākau tapatahi me te whakaū anō ka noho pirihonga ka noho pūmau ki a Kīngi Tiāre te Tuatoru me tōna kāhui whakaheke e ai ki te ture. [I Virginia Ruby Andersen solemnly sincerely and truly declare and affirm that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles III His heirs and successors according to law.]
Abel SteveSTEVE ABEL (Green): Ko ahau ko Stephen George Bremner Abel e oati ana ka noho pūmau taku pono ki a Kīngi Tiāre te Tuatoru me tōna kāhui whakaheke e ai ki te ture. Ko te Atua nei hoki taku pou. [I Stephen George Bremner Abel swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles III His heirs and successors according to law. So help me God.]
SpeechMEMBERS SWORNCLERK: I'll now call each member in alphabetical order to come to the left of the Table and make the oath or take the affirmation of allegiance. After taking the oath or making the affirmation would members please take their parchment and go around the Hansard table to the right to the Clerk to sign your parchment with the pen provided.
Tuesday 19 December 2023 - Volume 772
Resource Management (Natural and Built Environment and Spatial Planning Repeal and Interim Fast-track Consenting) Bill — In Committee—Part 1
VoteA party vote was called for on the question That debate on this question now close.Ayes 68New Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.Noes 55New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te Pāti Māori 6.Motion agreed to.CHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh): Arena Williams's first tabled amendment to clause 3 is ruled out of order as not being a serious amendment.The question is that Arena Williams's second tabled amendment to clause 3 be agreed to.A party vote was called for on the question That the amendment be agreed to.Ayes 55New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te Pāti Māori 6.Noes 68New Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.Amendment not agreed to.CHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh): The question is that Arena Williams's third tabled amendment to clause 3 be agreed to.A party vote was called for on the question That the amendment be agreed to.Ayes 55New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te Pāti Māori 6.Noes 68New Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.Amendment not agreed to.CHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh): The question is that Arena Williams's fourth tabled amendment be agreed to.A party vote was called for on the question That the amendment be agreed to.Ayes 55New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te Pāti Māori 6.Noes 68New Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.Amendment not agreed to.CHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh): The question is that Arena Williams's fifth tabled amendment to clause 3 be agreed to.A party vote was called for on the question That amendment be agreed to.Ayes 55New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te Pāti Māori 6.Noes 68New Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.Amendment not agreed to.CHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh): The question is that Arena Williams's sixth tabled amendment to clause 3 be agreed to.A party vote was called for on the question That the amendment be agreed to.Ayes 55New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te Pāti Māori 6.Noes 68New Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.Amendment not agreed to.A party vote was called for on the question That Part 1 stand part.Ayes 68New Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.Noes 55New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te Pāti Māori 6.Part 1 agreed to.
Resource Management (Natural and Built Environment and Spatial Planning Repeal and Interim Fast-track Consenting) Bill — Second Reading (continued)
VoteA party vote was called for on the question That the Resource Management (Natural and Built Environment and Spatial Planning Repeal and Interim Fast-track Consenting) Bill be now read a second time.Ayes 68New Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.Noes 55New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te Pāti Māori 6.Motion agreed to.Bill read a second time.
VoteA party vote was called for on the question That the Resource Management (Natural and Built Environment and Spatial Planning Repeal and Interim Fast-track Consenting) Bill be now read a first time.Ayes 68New Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.Noes 55New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te Pāti Māori 6.Motion agreed to.Bill read a first time.ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Greg O'Connor): This bill is set down for second reading immediately.
Resource Management (Natural and Built Environment and Spatial Planning Repeal and Interim Fast-track Consenting) Bill — First Reading
12. Question No. 12—Prime MinisterRAWIRI WAITITI (Co-Leader—Te Pāti Māori ) to the Prime MinisterQuestion No. 12—Prime Minister12. RAWIRI WAITITI (Co-Leader—Te Pāti Māori ) to the Prime Minister: Does he stand by all of his Government's statements and policies?Rt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON (Prime Minister): Yes and particularly our desire to improve outcomes for Māori and non-Māori.Rawiri Waititi: How can he stand by the policy to legislate English as an official language when there has been no public movement for the change whereas when te reo Māori was made an official language in 1987 it was the result of 20 years of campaigning and a petition signed by over 30000 people?Rt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON: It's just common sense. We want English te reo and sign language to be official languages of New Zealand.Rawiri Waititi: Is he not aware that English is an official language by de facto in Aotearoa or is this policy just right fragility?Rt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON: So let's just make it official.Rawiri Waititi: Why is he attacking the use of te reo Māori in the Public Service when research shows that public attitudes in support of te reo Māori are at an all-time high?Rt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON: We're not attacking te reo. We think te reo is a very valuable language that we'd encourage more people to learn.Rt Hon Winston Peters: As a basic legal precept can I ask the Prime Minister how can something be de facto legal?Rt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON: Well our point is that English should be official te reo should be official and New Zealand Sign Language should be official languages of Aotearoa New Zealand.Rawiri Waititi: Thank you Mr Speaker. What is his response to those calling on him to repay the taxpayer for the funding he used for his own te reo Māori lessons and does he think good spending of taxpayer money will be to encourage more MPs and public servants to learn te reo Māori?Rt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON: Yes yes I do and that's why I said earlier that 123 MPs here in this House learning te reo would be a good thing given they represent all New Zealanders.Hon Chris Bishop: Point of order. Mr Speaker the questions have flown back and forth but the Prime Minister is not responsible for matters that relate to his time as Leader of the Opposition. So I'll just make the point that on a couple of occasions over the last couple of question times we have strayed well away from prime ministerial or ministerial responsibility.SPEAKER: Yes I know. Often answers do the same thing. So we'll just take it as it flows. The Prime Minister's actually quite good at answering questions I think and—[Interruption] Sorry that was a very un-Speaker-like statement; my apologies to the House for that. I think there is someone going to stand up now and say something.Hon Chris Bishop: Sorry I was waiting for Mr Speaker to conclude oral questions.SPEAKER: Oh well you're quite right—oral questions are concluded.Hon Chris Bishop: Thank you Mr Speaker.
8. Question No. 8—Tertiary Education and SkillsHon Dr DEBORAH RUSSELL (Labour) to the Minister for Tertiary Education and SkillsQuestion No. 8—Tertiary Education and Skills8. Hon Dr DEBORAH RUSSELL (Labour) to the Minister for Tertiary Education and Skills: What specific actions if any has she taken with respect to the Government's plan to disestablish Te Pūkenga - New Zealand Institute of Skills and Technology?Hon PENNY SIMMONDS (Minister for Tertiary Education and Skills): I thank the member for her question. I've sought advice on the options open to me and following that I've taken the following actions. I've met with the chief executive and the chair of Te Pūkenga. I have met with members of the Te Pūkenga board including the new chair. I have delivered a new letter of expectation to Te Pūkenga. I have met with the Tertiary Education Commission and the Ministry of Education and begun work with officials on the development of a work programme to disestablish Te Pūkenga.Hon Dr Deborah Russell: What is the estimated cost of the plan?Hon PENNY SIMMONDS: The estimated cost of the plan is being worked through by the officials and by Te Pūkenga but I can assure the member that it will be considerably less than the $200 million that the previous Government wasted on the establishment.Hon Dr Deborah Russell: Given her statement to Newshub that their funding will increase has she requested funding from the Minister of Finance for the Government's plan to disestablish Te Pūkenga?Hon PENNY SIMMONDS: Unfortunately the member failed to take into account the full answer to that and that is the unified funding scheme that was brought in by the previous Government top-sliced around 20 percent of the funding off the individual institutions and it was used in a contestable way—in a centralised contestable way. So the additional funding I was referring to was reinstating that full amount of funding back to the institutions.Hon Dr Deborah Russell: If the funding is therefore coming from existing baselines then what part of tertiary education funding will she cut in order to fund the estimated $185 million of deficits that our polytechnics are facing in the next financial year?Hon PENNY SIMMONDS: An excellent question from the member. I will cut the very expensive bloated head office of Te Pūkenga.Hon Nicola Willis: Can the Minister explain which Government was in charge when the deficits were created?SPEAKER: No. No we're not having that one—nice try.
7. Question No. 7—TransportTIM COSTLEY (National—Ōtaki) to the Minister of TransportQuestion No. 7—Transport7. TIM COSTLEY (National—Ōtaki) to the Minister of Transport: What recent announcements has the Government made on Let's Get Wellington Moving?Hon SIMEON BROWN (Minister of Transport): On Sunday the Government Wellington City Council and the Greater Wellington Regional Council announced that we would be ending Let's Get Wellington Moving a programme which has failed to deliver the infrastructure that Wellingtonians need. Withdrawing was a key priority in the coalition Government's hundred-day plan in the National-led coalition agreement and I'm pleased to say that we're delivering on this commitment.Tim Costley: Why have these changes been made?Hon SIMEON BROWN: Well it's a very good question. Let's Get Wellington Moving had failed to deliver the infrastructure that Wellingtonians needed. Over $160 million had been spent on the programme of which $82.3 million had been spent on consultants while just a single set of traffic lights on State Highway 1 has been delivered. This Government is focused on delivery unlike the former focused on consultancy.Tim Costley: What are the next steps for transport infrastructure in Wellington?Hon SIMEON BROWN: Very good question again. Our coalition Government is committed to delivering key roads of national significance in Wellington which also support local government to improve the city's bus corridors. We will deliver a second Mount Victoria tunnel and upgrades to the Basin Reserve as part of our roads of national significance programme.
6. Question No. 6—Local GovernmentHon KIERAN McANULTY (Labour) to the Minister of Local GovernmentQuestion No. 6—Local Government6. Hon KIERAN McANULTY (Labour) to the Minister of Local Government: Does he stand by the Government's commitment to repeal the Affordable Water Reforms and restore council ownership and control"; if so will he guarantee balance sheet separation will be retained?Hon SIMEON BROWN (Minister of Local Government): Thank you for the question. Yes the Government is committed to repealing the previous Government's reforms and I'd like to be clear that the key principles of our reforms will be to (1) introduce economic and quality regulation of water (2) fit for purpose service delivery models and financing tools (3) setting rules for water services and infrastructure investment and (4) ensuring water services are financially sustainable which may include balance sheet separation. Hon Kieran McAnulty: Is the Minister aware of advice from the Department of Internal Affairs and public comments from credit rating agencies that say balance sheet separation will not be recognised if these reforms are repealed? Hon SIMEON BROWN: There's been a range of advice that I have received as I have been approaching repealing the prior Government's reforms including the fact that the last Government spent over $1.2 billion but didn't actually achieve anything.SPEAKER: That step's a bit wide so just calm that down.Hon Kieran McAnulty: Can the Minister then guarantee that his Government's replacement of the affordable water reforms will save ratepayers more than they were lined up to under the reforms?Hon SIMEON BROWN: Our reforms will ensure that local government has the tools that they need to be able to deliver long-term funding and financing of water infrastructure in New Zealand.Hon Kieran McAnulty: Why won't the Minister guarantee that ratepayers will save more money by repealing the affordable water reforms rather than sticking with them?Hon SIMEON BROWN: Well we are focused on ensuring that councils have the long-term funding and financing tools that they need to be able to deliver water infrastructure in New Zealand. The last Government spent six years and failed to actually get anything achieved in water reform in New Zealand. Sam Uffindell: What advice has he received on how much money has been spent on three waters reforms to date?Hon SIMEON BROWN: Well I've received advice that the total expenditure by the prior Government to 6 December was $1202062000—all talk very little action."
4. Question No. 4—FinanceHon GRANT ROBERTSON (Labour) to the Minister of FinanceQuestion No. 4—Finance4. Hon GRANT ROBERTSON (Labour) to the Minister of Finance: Is she committed to implementing all of the economic and fiscal commitments in the coalition agreements between National ACT and New Zealand First?Hon NICOLA WILLIS (Minister of Finance): Yes subject to final consideration and decision making by Cabinet.Hon Grant Robertson: Will the mini-Budget tomorrow give specific details as to how the tax cuts programme of the Government outlined in those coalition agreements will be self-funded?Hon NICOLA WILLIS: The member along with others will have to await the announcement of the mini-Budget tomorrow to get an answer to his question.Hon Grant Robertson: Is that right? Does she agree with Nicola Willis who said in September that the mini-Budget would set out the cuts and new taxes needed to pay for the tax cuts promises in the coalition agreements?Hon NICOLA WILLIS: I can confirm for the member that the mini-Budget we will announce tomorrow will set out the first steps of the urgent economic repair job that our coalition Government has under way to restore New Zealand's economy after a period of excessive economic and fiscal vandalism.Hon Grant Robertson: What is the total cost to the Government of the commitments that have been made in the coalition agreements?Hon NICOLA WILLIS: The individual costings of policies will be dependent on the consideration of Cabinet the implementation details of those policies and their phasing.Hon Grant Robertson: Thank you. So is it correct then that the Minister doesn't know how much the commitments in the coalition agreements cost doesn't know how she's going to pay for her tax cuts; and is her mini-Budget which the Prime Minister now described as a mini-mini-mini-Budget" now actually a "nano-Budget"?Hon NICOLA WILLIS: No none of those things are true. I know many many things and I would suggest based on my reading of the state of the Government books I know a lot more about how to be a custodian of public money than the former Minister did."
Resource Management (Natural and Built Environment and Spatial Planning Repeal and Interim Fast-track Consenting) Bill — In Committee—Part 2
Bishop ChrisHon CHRIS BISHOP (Minister responsible for RMA Reform): In relation to the last question no I am not proposing to rewrite the Treaty of Waitangi. The committee will be glad to know that. I'm advised that the change that the member is adverting to at page 83 is just in keeping with what I've already said which is that we are just going back to the Resource Management Act 1991 in the interim while we work to have a replacement regime around fast track and also a replacement regime for the resource management. So that deals with that. I know the member's getting very excited because she's sort of randomly flipped open the bill and found something and is trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. The member is getting a bit excited.In relation to the questions from Barbara Edmonds which is sort of on a similar note in relation to the departmental disclosure statement I will consider making that information public in due course. It's a Cabinet paper so it will be proactively released in due course. And the other point to note there is that there was engagement between post-settlement governance entities and iwi by the Government. It was to be fair limited. I'm not going to pretend it was a full and robust engagement but there was consultation. There were letters sent by myself to all local councils and also to post-settlement governance entities PSGEs as they're known in the parlance and there was engagement with iwi technicians. And as I've indicated in my response to the Hon Willie Jackson's question there was a helpful suggestion made which was inserted into the bill. So there has been engagement. I'm not pretending that it has been as robust as members would have liked but there has been engagement.
Ngarewa-Packer DebbieDEBBIE NGAREWA-PACKER (Co-Leader—Te Pāti Māori): Kia ora. Thank you. Tēnā tātou e te Whare. A couple of questions. I think the first thing is as my colleague to the right who's from the left just said there have been assessments identified that this bill has implications under Te Tiriti but because of time frames there hasn't been able to be a good analysis there are complex interactions that will affect Treaty settlements and that given the time lines only limited engagement with post-settlement governance entities has happened in other Māori groups.Now I just wanted to hold that and the question that I have for the Minister is on page 83 under Schedule 2. In Schedule 3 of the Urban Development Act 2020 clause 1(4)(c) the Minister's proposing to replace Te Tiriti o Waitangi" with "the Treaty of Waitangi". My question is: there were 50 rangatira that signed the Treaty; there were 500 rangatira that signed Te Tiriti what is the Minister going to do about those who signed and recognised Te Tiriti and their relationships indeed under their settlements and those who are currently waiting and preparing to go through settlement—some who are large groups of hapū and iwi.I want to also pick up on that hapū and iwi in Schedule 2 on page 83: in Schedule 3 of the Urban Development Act 2020 clause 1(4)(e) the Minister is proposing to replace "iwi and hapū participation legislation" with "iwi participation legislation". So what is the Minister proposing to do with the hapū who have been completely left out and replaced? We have real concerns obviously with those 500 who only recognise rangatira and signed Te Tiriti and those hapū that I'm sure the Minister would not want to be seen left out of legislation.The further question that I have to ask to the Minister is that there has been a redefining and replacing of the definition of "Te Mana o Te Wai". It is unclear who has been engaged with determining Te Mana o Te Wai specifically given the Minister's concerns about the kupu of te Oranga o te Taiao. And the meaning that has been set out in the National Policy Statement for Freshwater Management has been completely rewritten and the purpose for it. Again our question is: if in fact the Government hasn't had the time because it's under urgency to engage not only with post-settlement governance entities to engage with pre-settlement iwi hapū entities and other Māori groups and if the Minister is proposing now to replace "Te Tiriti" and only acknowledge "the Treaty" what is he going to do with the 500 rangatira who only signed Te Tiriti and not the Treaty? Is this indeed the start of the deterioration from this Government of the Tiriti?I think it's really important. This is of absolute imperative to Māori. You must remember: 30 percent of those of Māori voted for Te Pāti Māori. We have six of the seven electorate seats. We have been contacted by numerous technicians numerous hapū. Only 1 percent voted for that party over there. So what I am really clear and confident in is who I can speak for which actually this part over here can't speak for. What is the Minister proposing to do? Is he proposing to rewrite the Tiriti?"
Edmonds BarbaraHon BARBARA EDMONDS (Labour—Mana): Thanks Madam Chair. Thank you for allowing me to take the call. I actually would have asked this question in the earlier part but obviously can't. However I have found a connection in Part 4 Schedule 2 of Part 2. So looking at Part Three of the departmental disclosure statement because again this is the only officials' advice that we can actually go off under paragraph 3.2 it asks What steps have been taken to determine whether the policy to be given effect by this Bill is consistent with the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi?" The response by officials was: "Due to [the] limited time high-level Treaty impact assessments were provided to Cabinet on the NBA and the SPA repeal." And it references CAB-23-MIN-0473 and CAB-23-SUB468. So my question to the Minister is: is this information publicly available; if not will the Minister be able to table that tonight so that members on this side of the Chamber have some officials' advice in relation to the information that he received in relation to the impact on Treaty settlements given that both Part 1 and now Part 2—we have some growing concerns on this side of the House in relation to the impact on some of those settlements."
Brooking Rachel; Bishop ChrisHon RACHEL BROOKING (Labour—Dunedin): Thank you Madam Chair. I'm going to go straight into some detail here and that is on page 105—my 105 of the bill. It amends section 80A and that is to replace 31 December 2024" with "31 December 2027".What this is about is it looks like it's just a date change but it is very important because it is about the freshwater planning process. So Section 80A of the Resource Management Act—that's what we're talking about here—requires a freshwater planning instrument. It says at subsection (4) "A regional council must—(a) publicly notify the freshwater planning instrument; and (b) if the purpose of the freshwater planning instrument is to give effect to the National Policy Statement for Freshwater Management 2020 publicly notify the freshwater planning instrument by 31 December 2024."The amendment—it looks like from the New Zealand Legislation website—was made on 1 July 2020. So this date has been on the statute book for some time. I imagine it would have gone through with that National Policy Statement for Freshwater Management. So my question is: what analysis has the Government done in coming to its determination that from 2024 we go many more years into 2027—if they have looked at where regional councils have got to with their plans? Because it's been my experience that there has been good work done by regional councils and they are much closer to meeting the 2024 deadline and there is no need for them to go to 2027. Of course I note that the substantive issue here is that we have better planning laws or planning regulations for our water so that we have the high-quality water and quantities of water that New Zealanders care about. That is my first question on this part.Hon CHRIS BISHOP (Minister responsible for RMA Reform): It's very very simple. A very simple question; a very simple answer. The Government has a commitment to repeal replace and rebalance the National Policy Statement for Freshwater Management 2020. That process will take some time. As the member well knows there's quite a convoluted process to go through to update national policy statement instruments. We'll go through that process in full take policy advice and work through that process. So the date extension is to give us time to work through that process and make it really clear to regional councils that we're doing that and they've got the extension of time."
Pugh Maureen; Robertson Grant; Court Simon; Shaw JamesPart 2 Repeals and related provisionsCHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh): We now come to the debate on Part 2. Part 2 is the debate on clauses 5 and 6 Repeals and related provisions" and Schedule 2. The question is that Part 2 stand part.Hon GRANT ROBERTSON (Labour): Point of order Madam Chair. Madam Chair I do just want to seek from you some clarification about the extent of the debate on clause 5. Clause 5 repeals the Natural and Built Environment Act repeals the Spatial Planning Act and revokes the Natural and Built Environment forms of these regulations 2023. The first two of those are substantive pieces of legislation and I do want some assurance that when members of the committee raise issues within that legislation that is no longer going to be on the books we are able to have a full debate about those.While they are deceptively short clauses they do significant things. I'm not relitigating your ruling Madam Chair because I know that's not something I'm allowed to do on Part 1 but I am asking for Part 2 that consideration is given. Relevance matters here because if we are speaking about matters that are being repealed they are most definitely within the scope of the debate on Part 2. I just want some assurance on that.CHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh): I give you my assurance Mr Robertson and also I have signalled many times during that debate to come back to the bill and provide new material. So I suggest perhaps your team needs to follow your instructions. Speaking to the point of order Simon Court?SIMON COURT (ACT): Thank you Madam Chair. I'd just like to note that during the debate on Part 1 it was a very wide-ranging debate which extended well into the schedules and has covered—CHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh): What's your point of order Mr Court?SIMON COURT: Speaking to the point of order I think it's important that we do stick to the very very limited provisions stated in Part 2.CHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh): Thank you for your help. I call the Hon James Shaw.Hon JAMES SHAW (Co-Leader—Green): Thank you Madam Chair. Speaking to the point of order the bills that the next part repeals did cost something like a quarter of a billion dollars and six years to develop. So I think given that this is a Government that wants to tighten up on costs it is important that we don't just throw out a quarter of a billion dollars on a very short debate and that we do have a fulsome debate. There were a number of speakers who did not have a chance to ask questions in the first round who I think perhaps would deserve a more fulsome debate in this next part.CHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh): If the material is new and relevant they will get their opportunity. The question is that Part 2 stand part."
Rutherford Tom; Pugh MaureenTOM RUTHERFORD (National—Bay of Plenty): I move That debate on this question now close.CHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh): The question is that motion be put. All those—Hon Kieran McAnulty: Point of order. Thank you Madam Chair. Two calls ago—one call ago actually—you asked for new material. I've been here for two hours seeking the call throughout and have not had one call. I am the Labour Party spokesperson for local government housing and regional development. They are very relevant portfolios to this. If you're seeking new calls I would put it to you that you should be giving those that haven't had a call and have genuinely been attempting to get one the opportunity to introduce new material.CHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh): Point taken. I'll ask the Clerk to conduct a party vote.
Brooking Rachel; Bishop ChrisHon RACHEL BROOKING (Labour—Dunedin): Thank you Madam Chair. Slightly related to that last contribution and discussion about the fast track and what's included and what's not I would like a confirmation from the Minister that clause 14 of Schedule 10 of the Natural and Built Environment Act which says what the eligible activities are that can be fast tracked won't be changed.I ask that because we just had Mr Robertson go through and say Well there's a whole lot here that we don't necessarily know in plain English what the changes are." But also there is clause 18 and this appears to be a "King Henry VIII" clause which is never a good thing. Why I'm particularly worried about it in relation to the fast tracking and what is an eligible activity is because of what we've been hearing in the debate today. I would say that the eligible activities at the moment are all very reasonable. But should say mining be included in that via a regulation made under clause 18—so amending the primary legislation—then that would be a very big deal indeed. So I would like confirmation from the Minister that that will not happen and also an explanation of why such a "King Henry VIII" clause is needed in clause 18.Also to make the point that in the departmental disclosure statement at 4.7 it says "Does this Bill create or amend the power to make delegated legislation that could amend an Act define the meaning of a term in an Act or grant an exemption from an Act or delegated legislation." It says "NO" next to it in the departmental disclosure report but it very much seems to me in my reading—and I can see that the Minister will respond to me about clause 18 and the impact and the justification for having a "King Henry VIII" clause.Hon CHRIS BISHOP (Minister responsible for RMA Reform): Thank you very much. Very quickly in relation to clause 14 and the activities covered by fast track they are exactly the same as the Natural and Built Environment Act (NBA) I'm advised.In relation to clause 18 which is the so-called "Henry VIII" clause I was averted to this by my good friend Dean Knight now professor of law at Victoria University. I saw his tweet. As members know I'm an inveterate tweeter—got to get off the old Twitter. But anyway I saw his—Hon Grant Robertson: You really do.Hon CHRIS BISHOP: Yeah I know; yeah—Arena Williams: Say more about Dean.Hon CHRIS BISHOP: He's a good guy. I'm sure he's listening so this is for you Dean. It is a "Henry VIII" clause and as members will know I don't like them and if you really cared you could go and look up my various contributions to Parliament over the last nine years. It is a "Henry VIII" clause. It can be used to modify primary legislation.Interestingly it was carried over from section 801(1)(m) of the NBA proactively by the drafters. So it turns out it was already there. It is there to manage unintended consequences I'm advised. Clauses such as these are present in other legislation that relates to health and safety civil aviation and trusts. So basically the sought point is there was a "Henry VIII" clause in the NBA and it's just been transferred across to the new bill as clause 18."