Naylor JonoJONO NAYLOR (National): If I can just start with a little clarification I noted that when Adrian Rurawhe was speaking earlier on he said that he just wanted to make sure I had bought Mr Bishop a Lotto ticket. Just for the record what I did say at the first reading was that given Mr Bishop's record of having bills drawn out of the hat I was hoping—or aiming—to get him to buy me one given his ability to have the luck of the draw.Kris Faafoi: Read the Hansard.JONO NAYLOR: Mr Faafoi thinks I have got it wrong so maybe I am misremembering myself from that stage. But certainly that was my intention given Mr Bishop's awesome ability to get bills drawn out of the hat. That would be useful.I do want to commend Mr Bishop for this legislation. We had a contribution before from a New Zealand First member Tracey Martin who was quite disparaging about this being almost inconsequential and a waste of the Parliament's time. But sometimes when there are issues that need fixing the only way to fix them actually is through legislation. It would be kind of nice I guess sometimes if we see something out there that looks simple to fix if we just changed it. But unfortunately because of the way the legislation has been constructed in the first place the only way to change it is through a new piece of legislation. So the incidents that went on with the Into the River book highlighted some shortcomings in our current legislation. Mr Bishop recognised those shortcomings drafted a very good piece of legislation and brought it to this House to enable us to actually put it right.It is not just to put one little scenario to rights but in fact actually there is a principle involved here. So without necessarily going on about that particular publication I do just want to highlight a couple of things that are important. It is quite consequential for those people who are producers of material. As Paul Foster-Bell said for example if a film was going to be at a film festival then that person's ability to earn income over that short period of time might be completely taken away from them.There are lots of people producing lots of material every day. A few years ago I was in a band and we put out an extended play (EP)—called For the Summer" by the way. It is still available on Bandcamp if you want to get it—I just double-checked before; it is still there. Kris Faafoi: Cassette. Cassette.JONO NAYLOR: "For the Summer" by a band called Truly Made. It was not on cassette; it was not that long ago Mr Faafoi. We did put it out on CD. It was only 4 years ago in fact that the album was put out. But I had to chuck it in because of coming to Parliament; I did not quite have time to play in a band any more. In fact we did not even win the battle of the bands at the local hotel but that is by the by.But we put out this EP. If somebody had taken objection to some of the material that was in it—it would be unlikely because I am pretty sure it would have received a G rating and also an A+ for excellence. It may have received a G rating but if there had been something in it and somebody had said "Look I think that should have received a different rating" and it had been reported to the censors they would have only had the options of either leaving it as it was or taking it off the market. At that stage our ability to sell those CDs in the high shifting market that there was at the time for those albums would have been really really disadvantaged. There would have been a financial disadvantage for the producers of that product. So it is really important that we do not have this all-or-nothing approach.Tracey Martin said that the approach that we have got at the moment is perfectly fine because something was off the shelf for just 6 weeks and gained notoriety. That may well be the case for the publication that she was referring to but there are of course many other different kinds of publications. Once we become aware of a piece of legislation that is not quite achieving what we want it to do it is important we get it right. In the old words of L V Martin "It's the putting right that counts." and that is what we are wanting to do in this piece of legislation from Chris Bishop.I want to acknowledge the input from the submitters and yes there were a small number of them but they gave us a lot to think about. Particularly I want to acknowledge the very constructive approach that Family First New Zealand took in approaching this legislation. It had been the one to appeal the decision around the Into the River book in the first place. In case the record proves me wrong my recollection anyway was that Family First was not necessarily trying to get the book completely removed from the shelves. It just thought that the classification at R14 was not appropriate and that actually it should be higher. Family First thought it should have a higher restriction on it. Actually the only option that the censor had was to either just let it go under its current rating or demand that it be removed from the shelves altogether.I think the submitters all pointed out and Family First said this as well that a more sensible regime would be far more appealing to everyone involved. It means that those who have produced the material are not necessarily going to be as financially out of pocket in the meantime and that the publication whatever it is can still be out there in the market but that the censor has some variation in the choices that are available to them to put in place.As we went through this and looked at the bill simply just removing the material from the shelves or allowing it go unchecked really just does not make any sense any more. And so to be able to enable a different age to be put on it—if for example someone might say "We're not happy with this; we would rather it was R18." if it has been out there at R16 then actually it could have that put on as an interim restriction at 18. No one is asking for any more than that. They are not asking for it to be removed. So an interim restriction of 18 would make far more sense in that situation or perhaps allowing certain classes of say tertiary students or others to look at this for the purposes of education. I think by giving the censors more tools we are going to deliver better results.There has been a little bit of conversation that has gone on about the importance of censorship and I do want to touch on that because these classifications are very very important. I know as a parent myself—you know when my kids were younger and they would wander into the DVD shop to know that if they are wandering up to you with a G you can sort of look at it or you can look at what the content is and go "Yes I'm OK with my kids watching that." And as they get older you might sort of let them into the PG territory or M or whatever it is as they get older. Of course not all parents necessarily take a responsible attitude towards that and sometimes parents can be a little bit overkill on that. In fact I remember at one stage when The Texas Chainsaw Massacre came out my father was so outraged he was threatening to go and join a protest outside the movie theatre. As a teenager I was very unimpressed at the thought of my father standing outside the theatre protesting but thankfully he did not do it.But actually as parents we do rely on censorship and it is important that it is accurate and that there are appropriate steps that are being taken to ensure we get the appropriate restrictions in place while there is a dispute going on about what it should be.Kris Faafoi: I want to know more about the band.JONO NAYLOR: Mr Faafoi wants to know more about the band—Bandcamp/TrulyMade/FortheSummer. I will send you the link Mr Faafoi. You can have a listen. I only played a small part on it playing some keyboards and stuff but I will send that to Mr Faafoi for his enjoyment. I am sure it will be right up his alley—very cool laidback music.Actually what I just want to cut to though is the importance of this. As I said at the start sometimes we do need legislation to ensure that we make the changes as we become aware of them. And so this is as I say an appropriate response to becoming aware of that. It is something that we can move forward with knowing that our censors will have the appropriate tools to be able to apply appropriate restrictions while there is a dispute going on. I think it was completely unfair in the past that actually they were forced to have to either allow something to go through that might not be acceptable if it was under review or they simply had to take it off the shelves.So with those final remarks I just want to say again congratulations to Chris Bishop. This is a good piece of legislation. I look forward to the Committee stage when we will be able to discuss all sorts of intimate—or you know intricate details.Hon Members: Ha ha!JONO NAYLOR: Not intimate details—that may well require a restriction of its own kind anyway but discuss the more intricate details of this legislation. I commend it to the House."