Nash StuartSTUART NASH (Labour—Napier): First of all I want to reiterate Andrew Little's and David Shearer's comments about how Minister Finlayson is doing a fantastic job with this. I mean my experience of Chris Finlayson—and I have dealt with him on issues in Napier—is that he is very consultative and collaborative partly because he understands the necessity of getting this absolutely right.Metiria Turei is right when she says that we have got to ensure that the rights of Kiwis are not infringed but the bit she did not put in which is why I think Labour is supporting this is that we also need to protect the right of New Zealanders to live in a safe society—to live in a community with the expectations and the beliefs and the quality of life that we have come to expect in 21st century New Zealand. I think we are being naive to believe that just because we live at the end of the world surrounded by this massive big moat called the Pacific Ocean we are immune to any sort of terrorist attacks.One of the things that I am very very conscious of is that I actually do not sit on the Intelligence and Security Committee. Unless you do it is very difficult to know the threats to our country that are brought before that select committee. In fact very few MPs do know but the fact that these MPs are the ones who are supporting this bill—the fact that these MPs actually understand the threats that our country could be under—means that we need this sort of legislation which actually should have been done a long time ago. In fact my colleague David Shearer has been calling for this review for a long time and it was not until responsibility was handed over to Mr Finlayson that a review by Sir Michael Cullen and Dame Patsy Reddy was undertaken. I think everyone in this House acknowledges—well the vast majority of members in this House—that it was an exceptionally thorough and highly respected review that covered all the topics that it was asked to do and this legislation is what has come out of it.But let us be clear about this: this is a very important piece of legislation with far-reaching consequences and we know that New Zealanders will be watching closely. That is why we want to see as many submissions from all the experts as well as good hard-working Kiwis—but all the experts—presented in front of the select committee. It is very important that New Zealanders have confidence that when this legislation is passed it is done in a very robust democratic and constitutional manner which it will be.My colleague David Shearer and my colleague David Parker are the two Labour MPs on the Foreign Affairs Defence and Trade Committee. These are two of our most senior members of Parliament both with international experience. David Shearer of course has international experience in this exact area of international terrorism in working in a lot of the world's trouble spots. David Parker has experience in areas of constitutional law. I do not think that Labour could have put up two more experienced and competent MPs in this area to actually drive this forward.Chris Bishop: What about you?STUART NASH: It is not my area of expertise at all Mr Bishop. I know it is your area of expertise because you are an expert on everything but in this case I have absolute confidence that Mr Shearer and Mr Parker will be holding the Government to account to ensure that the legislation we pass will not only protect the rights of New Zealanders—the Greens can be absolutely certain of that—but will also protect the safety of our communities. Let us be honest that is incredibly important in this day and age.What I am told is that this is not a piece of legislation that good hard-working New Zealanders need to be worried about. I know there is that glib line If you've done nothing wrong you've got nothing to be worried about." and I do not buy into that. But what I am told is that there has to be absolute probable cause for the spy agency to spy on New Zealanders. The legislation goes through a number of checks and balances so this is not going to be a willy-nilly "We don't like the cut of this bloke's jib let's send the agency in." There will be probable cause there will be a number of checks and balances and I think New Zealanders can be absolutely certain that this agency is going to act with the level of integrity that we will expect.Just to sum up Labour is absolutely supporting this piece of legislation to select committee. We are very keen to hear what the experts have to say and we are very sure that the legislation that will return to the House after the select committee will meet all members' expectations. I congratulate the Minister on his level of consultation and I look forward to seeing this come back to the House after select committee. Thank you very much."