Seymour DavidDAVID SEYMOUR (Leader—ACT): Thank you Madam Chair. That's a very interesting phrase that the Minister just used. He said it's not the intention for the qualifying matters to extinguish medium-density residential zone or the standard of—it's confusing because when the regulatory impact statement was done it was the medium-density residential zone. Then five months later when all this came to light it had morphed into a standard. And I've heard even the Minister and some of the other proponents of the bill from the National Party get that confusion but there you go.The qualifying matters that extinguish it from some areas have certainly been widened as the bill was introduced. You know the qualifying matters really were on a per property basis and it would have been totally impractical for councils to go through and identify in the case of heritage what exactly was important. But I guess the Minister said it's not the intention that whole suburbs would apply. I guess one of the questions that might become pertinent quite soon is—I think about an area in say Mount Albert. It's a nice suburb in Auckland well represented I hear. And on the hill there there's some quite heritage-type homes very nice homes. I suspect those people might go to their local MP and ask Why can't our area be a heritage zone or have a heritage overlay that would extinguish the medium density residential standards (MDRS)?" So can the Minister just talk through what would be the process for deciding whether or not a heritage overlay was a qualifying matter?In particular what would he envisage being the role of the Minister in deciding whether indeed a heritage matter was a qualifying matter in a particular region? Let's just use the side of Mount Albert. I don't know if the Minister knows Auckland very well but the north side facing the sun overlooking Mount Albert town from the actual mountain there—and I'll just give the Minister a bit more time; he's clearly seeking some advice. But you know that's the question: what actually happens when a group of residents in a street on the northern slopes of Mount Albert insist that actually there should be a heritage overlay in their area and that should be a qualifying matter? And come to that what happens when some more people just down the hill in Mount Albert say "Well you know the view shaft our ability to see Mount Albert is one of the things that makes Auckland special." You see lots of cities have rivers and lots of cities have harbours but very few cities have 50 volcanic cones spread throughout them. A lot of Aucklanders view that as being something very distinctive and hence the view shaft—Simon Court: Some of us just view them as a quarry.DAVID SEYMOUR: Yeah and Simon Court's said—he's a civil engineer to his teeth—"Some of us just view those volcanic cones as a quarry." I of course don't have a view on that but if I did it wouldn't include certain cones. But what I would say is that these are important questions. The Minister's just said it's not the intention that a whole suburb be a heritage zone. So can the Minister talk us through: a group of people on the slopes of Mount Albert go to their local MP and they ask "What's the process? Why can't we get an overlay as a heritage zone that is a qualifying matter so the MDRS doesn't apply on the northern slopes of Mount Albert?" Where does it get to and what's the role of the Minister in deciding whether or not there is a qualifying matter?"