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Vote: Employment Relations (Secret Ballot for Strikes) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Employment Relations (Secret Ballot for Strikes) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:676;Page:21559] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 63 
New Zealand National 57; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 9; Maori Party 3; Progressive 1; Mana 1; Independent: Carter C. 
Motion agreed to.
Roy Heather: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Roy Heather: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:676;Page:21521] 
Hon HEATHER ROY (ACT) 
: 
 I move  
That the Committee report progress.
Robertson Grant: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Robertson Grant: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
[Volume:676;Page:21505] 
1. 
GRANT ROBERTSON (Labour—Wellington Central) 
 to the  
Chairperson of the Commerce Committee 
: Further to her answers to Oral Question No 2 to Members yesterday has she called a meeting of the Commerce Committee to hear submissions on the petition of Allen Hair on the annuities payable to members of the Government Superannuation Fund and the National Provident Fund; if not why not? 
Hon LIANNE DALZIEL (Chairperson of the Commerce Committee) 
: 
 I can confirm that I have not called a meeting of the Commerce Committee to hear submissions on the petition of Allen Hair and will not be doing so before the rising of the House; I cannot under Standing Orders explain why not. 
Grant Robertson 
: Can she confirm her answer yesterday that she put a motion to the committee to call for the submissions to be heard before the House rises? 
Hon LIANNE DALZIEL 
: Yes I can confirm— 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I have not called the member yet. 
Hon Trevor Mallard 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I could not hear it but I can anticipate the advice you are getting. I would like to remind you that this is a matter of a Speaker’s ruling and we had a very good Speaker’s ruling on this issue yesterday. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: It could perhaps be that the Speaker may have erred a fraction yesterday which I am very happy to explain. The question would be permissible if it asked whether the member had lodged a notice of motion but if the question is asking whether the member put a motion to the committee that matter would have taken place in the confidential proceedings of the meeting and the question is therefore not in order. The dilemma for the Speaker is that the Speaker cannot know whether a notice of motion was lodged and that is why sometimes the Speaker will allow a question. However on this occasion I suspect that a notice of motion was not lodged. I will give the member the chance to reword his question if he wishes to word it in that way and refer to a notice of motion. 
Grant Robertson 
: Can she confirm the answers she gave to question to member No. 2 yesterday? 
Mr SPEAKER 
: No that is not what I invited the member to do. I invited the member should he choose to to reword his question. I think we probably should move on now to question to member No. 2.
Roy Eric: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Roy Eric: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:676;Page:21522] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: I move  
That the report be adopted 
.
Wagner Nicky: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Wagner Nicky: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
[Volume:676;Page:21505] 
12. 
NICKY WAGNER (National) 
 to the  
Minister of Education 
: What progress has been made on the Youth Guarantee? 
Hon ANNE TOLLEY (Minister of Education) 
: 
 I am very pleased to inform the House that over the last 3 years we have had a huge focus on providing more options for 16 and 17-year-olds who are at risk of dropping out of school or who have in fact left school. That is why the wider Youth Guarantee number of places will rise to 10000 next year and to 12500 by 2014. From a standing start we have established eight trades academies and announced another 13 to come. We opened another eight service academies in 2010 and have announced another eight to come. We are setting up vocational pathways to improve the transition from education to employment and we are providing more facilities such as teen parent units and have invested more in alternative education. 
Nicky Wagner 
: What are the early results? 
Hon ANNE TOLLEY 
: Although we are still in the first year of trades academies we are already seeing really encouraging progress. In the trades academies 93 percent of students have had attendance rates of 80 percent or better which is slightly better than senior secondary school rates. We are seeing Youth Guarantee course completion rates of about 63 percent. Again this compares favourably to general tertiary results and remember that these are our most at-risk students. When I go around the country and talk to these young people they are overwhelmingly positive and enthusiastic and they tell me that for many many of them education seems relevant for the first time. This Government is absolutely committed to giving these young people the best possible results and we are already getting a good start.
Borrows Chester: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Borrows Chester: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
[Volume:676;Page:21500] 
7. 
CHESTER BORROWS (National—Whanganui) 
 to the  
Minister of Corrections 
: What progress has the Government made toward its commitment to double the number of prisoners receiving drug and alcohol treatment? 
Hon JUDITH COLLINS (Minister of Corrections) 
: 
 I am very pleased to report that this week I opened the third drug treatment centre to be opened by this Government in New Zealand prisons. The opening of units in Auckland Otago and now Whanganui means we now have nine treatment units throughout the prison network. It also signifies that we have delivered on our promise to double the number of addiction treatment places from 500 to 1000 per year. More prisoners than ever before are receiving addiction treatment and the treatment has been shown to reduce reoffending by up to one-third. This matches if not exceeds the very best - performing correctional programmes in the world. 
Chester Borrows 
: What treatment approach is being followed in the three new units opened by this Government? 
Hon JUDITH COLLINS 
: About two-thirds of prisoners enter prisons with drug and alcohol problems and to reduce reoffending we need to break the cycle of addiction. The three new units are delivering an intensive 3-month programme that targets prisoners serving short sentences of between 4 and 12 months. Providing this intense shorter programme enables more prisoners to be offered treatment and it allows the Department of Corrections to target younger prisoners who are serving their first sentence. This early intervention gives us a better chance to stop offenders from developing a lifelong pattern of addiction and crime.
Mallard Trevor: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Mallard Trevor: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
[Volume:676;Page:21497] 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I agree with the member: I think the sound in here is slightly uneven at times and it depends on where people are speaking from. The unfortunate thing is that sometimes we are trying to listen to the Government too and we hear the member on her left Paul Quinn. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The member did not need to do that during a point of order and he knows it. And I—[ 
Interruption 
] That does not help. All I can say to the honourable member at the back of the House is that he just let his colleague off the hook. I do not think that was a very wise thing to do. The Speaker deals with matters of order. Now look the issue that Louise Upston has raised is a serious issue. There are two problems: one is that the sound system does in my view appear to be somewhat down today but secondly the volume of noise at times has been unacceptable. I ask members please to just to show the House a little more respect—please.
Upston Louise: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Upston Louise: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
[Volume:676;Page:21497] 
LOUISE UPSTON (National—Taupo) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I am seeking your assistance on a matter that continues to trouble me— 
Mr SPEAKER 
: A point of order is being heard and the Hon David Cunliffe will show some respect. 
LOUISE UPSTON 
: It is increasingly difficult to hear the speakers from the Government side even when there is not a lot of interjection. I find it incredibly difficult and I would very much like to hear what my colleagues have to say. I would like to see you investigate the sound system so that those of us in the back rows can actually hear the debate and the discussion.
Dunne Peter: Motions — New Zealand Defence Force—Death of Lance Corporal Leon Smith in Afghanistan 
Dunne Peter: Motions — New Zealand Defence Force—Death of Lance Corporal Leon Smith in Afghanistan 
[Volume:676;Page:21486] 
Hon PETER DUNNE (Leader—United Future) 
: 
 Many New Zealanders would be surprised to know of the number of places around the world in which New Zealand forces are deployed on a range of missions. For many of them most of the time that is almost on a sight unseen basis. They do their job they carry out their duty and life carries on—or so it would seem. It is when tragedies such as the death of this soldier in Afghanistan today and the recent incident we commemorated here just a few short weeks ago become apparent that it is brought home to all of us that the military personnel who go overseas on deployments do not just have an extended period of activity offshore and are not just engaged in their professionally trained activities in a different place; they put their lives at risk every day. Although as I understand it the circumstances of this event were reasonably routine the reality in terms of the loss of the life of this young man is anything but routine. 
So whatever one’s views about the continued deployment in Afghanistan this is a wake-up call in terms of the risk that these personnel face day in day out; of the huge debt of gratitude that our country has to them for their service; and of the tremendous sense of loss right at this moment that the family friends and loved ones of the young man will be feeling. The very best that we can do is offer our sympathy and our support to them at this time. I hope that New Zealanders will reflect more frequently on the risks that our personnel face daily on the challenges that they have to overcome and sadly on the supreme sacrifice that a steadily increasing number are now being required to make on our behalf. May he rest in peace. 
Motion agreed to.
Boscawen John: Motions — New Zealand Defence Force—Death of Lance Corporal Leon Smith in Afghanistan 
Boscawen John: Motions — New Zealand Defence Force—Death of Lance Corporal Leon Smith in Afghanistan 
[Volume:676;Page:21486] 
Hon JOHN BOSCAWEN (Leader—ACT) 
: 
 On behalf of the ACT Party I wish to express our sorrow at the death of the New Zealand SAS soldier in Kabul Afghanistan. My colleagues and I send our sincere condolences to the soldier’s family friends and colleagues who have lost a warrior in the most tragic of circumstances. Afghanistan seems a world away. It is a country that is seemingly the polar opposite of our small green land. However it becomes much closer when one of our own loses their life protecting the peace and freedom of the people of that land—the same peace and freedom that is enjoyed here in New Zealand. 
This tragedy is a truly unfortunate reminder that conflict is a daily possibility in this theatre of war. Our soldiers are doing a job that few have the courage to do. They deal with the darkest most savage and dangerous elements of the modern world and they do it with professionalism and pride. All New Zealanders will be feeling the loss of this soldier who volunteered to serve New Zealand and paid the ultimate price in the quest for liberty and freedom. My thoughts and the thoughts of the ACT Party members and supporters are with his family and friends and the other personnel who were wounded today who I hope make a speedy recovery. 
The effect of this tragedy on the families of all service personnel cannot be underestimated. Waiting at home they also serve out these missions—their loved ones striving to bring peace and safety to the families of others whom they never meet. In the face of such tragic circumstances we as New Zealanders refuse to allow our commitment to what is good and right in the world to waver. It will be stronger today than it was yesterday. All New Zealanders can be proud that this soldier was one of our own. We salute his service and the ultimate sacrifice he made. Thank you.
Turei Metiria: Motions — New Zealand Defence Force—Death of Lance Corporal Leon Smith in Afghanistan 
Turei Metiria: Motions — New Zealand Defence Force—Death of Lance Corporal Leon Smith in Afghanistan 
[Volume:676;Page:21485] 
METIRIA TUREI (Co-Leader—Green) 
: 
 Yet another life has been lost to this war in Afghanistan. Normally we would know the name of the young man whose life has been taken. We would know a bit about him and the things he has done—his heroic acts; his involvement in the community—and we would be able to talk about the life that he lived and the contribution that he made. It is unfortunate that today we are not able to do so yet. What we do know about this man is that he had a family and he had friends and a community who today are in very severe distress at this terrible loss from war again. The Green Party stands in our very sincerest sympathy with his friends his family and his community. We share in their loss. Kia ora.
Goff Phil: Motions — New Zealand Defence Force—Death of Lance Corporal Leon Smith in Afghanistan 
Goff Phil: Motions — New Zealand Defence Force—Death of Lance Corporal Leon Smith in Afghanistan 
[Volume:676;Page:21485] 
Hon PHIL GOFF (Leader of the Opposition) 
: 
 It is a tragedy that so soon after we paid tribute to the life of Corporal Dougie Grant killed with the SAS in Kabul last month we are today remembering the life of another New Zealand soldier with the New Zealand SAS who was killed this morning. We share in the grief of his family his friends and his Defence Force family and offer them our deepest sympathy and condolences. 
He joins a growing list of other New Zealanders who in recent years have been killed in action in deployments by the New Zealand Defence Force: Private Leonard Manning in Timor-Leste and Lieutenant Tim O’Donnell and Corporal Doug Grant both killed in Afghanistan. Added to that roll of honour are the other New Zealand citizens who were serving with the Australian the British and the American armies who were likewise killed in action. 
We are again reminded of the cost of war that was part of everyday life for our parents’ generation. Regrettably I understand too well the sense of tragedy and grief that his family will be feeling at this time. This is not the time to debate the rights and wrongs of our deployment of the SAS in Afghanistan. Rather it is time to stand alongside the family of the fallen soldier and offer them our sympathy our love and our support. 
Like others who have lost their lives this soldier whose name we cannot yet disclose understood the risks and died doing what he believed in. In the House today we pay our respect to him and acknowledge his service and his sacrifice on behalf of his country.
Key John: Motions — New Zealand Defence Force—Death of Lance Corporal Leon Smith in Afghanistan 
Key John: Motions — New Zealand Defence Force—Death of Lance Corporal Leon Smith in Afghanistan 
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Rt Hon JOHN KEY (Prime Minister) 
: 
 I seek leave to move without notice a motion on the death of a New Zealand SAS soldier in Afghanistan earlier today. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Is there any objection to that course of action being followed? There is none. 
Rt Hon JOHN KEY 
: I move  
That this House express its sadness at the death of a New Zealand SAS soldier in Afghanistan 
. Details of the incident which occurred only a few hours ago are not yet available and we are unable to release the soldier’s name at this stage. 
The SAS is our premier combat unit. Its soldiers face extremely volatile and dangerous conditions in order to help the people of Afghanistan. But they carry out their duties to the highest standards. They are remarkably brave resourceful and resilient and they are making a valuable contribution in Afghanistan. So the news that one of our soldiers has fallen is devastating for our SAS for the New Zealand Defence Force and for all New Zealanders. 
I take this opportunity to express my sincere condolences to the family of the soldier and to the wider Defence Force family. The thoughts of the members of this House are with you at this terrible time. This is a sad day for New Zealand. This soldier has paid the highest price for his service to this country and we will mourn his death with a heavy heart.
Boscawen John: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Boscawen John: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
[Volume:676;Page:21502] 
9. 
Hon JOHN BOSCAWEN (Leader—ACT) 
 to the  
Minister of Labour 
: Does she stand by her statement in relation to the abolition of the youth minimum wage that “we were concerned it would price young people off the job market”; if so why? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE (Minister of Transport) 
 on behalf of the Minister of Labour: Yes; there has been concern that the previous administration’s decision to abolish youth rates would see young job-seekers miss out on work opportunities. The Government has taken a number of steps to assist youth through initiatives like Community Max Job Ops trades academies and the Youth Guarantee. Recent research commissioned by the Department of Labour on youth wages will also help inform our future policy settings. 
Hon John Boscawen 
: Does she agree with the Department of Labour report that the abolition of the youth minimum wage has accounted for a loss of between 4000 and 9000 jobs for 16 and 17-year-olds; if so does she agree that this confirms what the ACT Party has said all along—that abolishing the youth minimum wage has thrown young people on the unemployment scrap heap and that the only caring solution is to reinstate the youth minimum wage immediately? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE 
: I can confirm that the research stated that the minimum wage increase accounted for approximately 20 percent to 40 percent of the fall in proportion of 16 and 17-year-olds in employment by 2010. However it should be noted that it did not have a significant impact on unemployment per se according to this report because most of the 16 and 17-year-olds impacted were students who were combining study with part-time employment. It is important we consider that as well as the headline that the member raises.
Macindoe Tim: Employment Relations (Secret Ballot for Strikes) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Macindoe Tim: Employment Relations (Secret Ballot for Strikes) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:676;Page:21557] 
TIM MACINDOE (National—Hamilton West) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Tisch Lindsay: Employment Relations (Secret Ballot for Strikes) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Tisch Lindsay: Employment Relations (Secret Ballot for Strikes) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: This is a very narrow debate.
Henare Tau: Employment Relations (Secret Ballot for Strikes) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Henare Tau: Employment Relations (Secret Ballot for Strikes) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Hon TAU HENARE (National) 
: 
 I will take just a very quick call. Never once did I tell anyone in the clerical workers union to go on strike. If there ever was a time when there was a need to withdraw the labour of those workers it was certainly done by secret ballot. My question asks why that is not allowed to happen for everybody. 
Darien Fenton 
: It does happen. You don’t need rules to say it should. 
Hon TAU HENARE 
: That member over there just happens to dislike Sir Peter Leitch so much she calls him the “Mad Butcher” but tonight there is no doubt that Darien Fenton is now known as just plain mad. 
But let us get serious about this. They said something here that I need to respond to and that is— 
Hon Steve Chadwick 
: Raise it up; pick it up. 
Hon TAU HENARE 
:—where did this—well I will pick it up. I will pick it up. 
Darien Fenton 
: Lift your game. Lift your game. 
Hon TAU HENARE 
: I will pick it up. Well actually it is not me who needs to lift their game. If I was on 28 percent yeah—OK I would. But we are not. We are on 50-odd percent. It was a miner’s wife—a miner’s wife—who asked the question: why could her husband not have a secret ballot when the miners withdrew their labour? Why could they not have a secret ballot? 
Darien Fenton 
: One person in 20 years. 
Hon TAU HENARE 
: Oh OK. So it is all right for everybody else but it is not all right when one person says “Actually I’d like a secret ballot because I want to be able to have the same rights and privileges as electors in this country. They go behind closed doors or behind a screen and they freely make their choice whether it is yes or no.” 
Darien Fenton 
: Where’s the evidence? Which strike was that? When was it? 
Hon TAU HENARE 
: If that is what that member over there dislikes well then that is fine. She should go and live in 1930s Germany. But the fact of the matter is that everybody should have the right to vote without that sort of encumbrance on them. That is all I have to say and most probably all I have to say for the rest of these proceedings.
Goodhew Jo: Employment Relations (Secret Ballot for Strikes) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Goodhew Jo: Employment Relations (Secret Ballot for Strikes) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:676;Page:21564] 
JO GOODHEW (Junior Whip—National) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Turia Tariana: Motions — New Zealand Defence Force—Death of Lance Corporal Leon Smith in Afghanistan 
Turia Tariana: Motions — New Zealand Defence Force—Death of Lance Corporal Leon Smith in Afghanistan 
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Hon TARIANA TURIA (Co-Leader—Maori Party) 
: 
 E te hoia hoki atu i te ara wairua hoki atu ki te wa kainga. Haere ki te po haere ki te po. 
[ 
Oh soldier return along the spiritual pathway to the true home. Depart to the darkness and to the abode of the dead 
.]  
A former member of this House and a great Ngati Porou leader Sir Apirana Ngata once argued that the cost of casualties incurred as a result of the Maori participation in the First World War was the price of citizenship. Today we reflect on that phrase as we think of yet another member of the New Zealand Defence Force personnel whose life has been laid down on behalf of us all in what can only be thought of as the ultimate price of citizenship: the loss of human life. The Maori Party joins with other parties to mourn the sacrifice made with the tragic news of a death in Afghanistan. We acknowledge the courage the commitment and the bravery of our SAS force who enter every day never knowing whether this will be their last. We grieve with those who today serving alongside have had one of their own untimely plucked from within their midst—his life another marker of the tragedy that comes with situations of war. 
But most of all our thoughts are with his family and friends who are today reeling with the news that sees their worst fears realised. Every life lost through the ultimate call of duty is the promise of leadership unfulfilled. It takes a heavy toll on our national spirit and it leaves a family bereft. Our aroha is with his w’anau today. Tena koutou.
Vote: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Vote: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:676;Page:21522] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the report be adopted. 
Ayes 63 
New Zealand National 57; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Noes 58 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 9; Maori Party 4; Progressive 1; Mana 1; Independent: Carter C. 
Report adopted.
Douglas Roger: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
Douglas Roger: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
[Volume:676;Page:21551] 
Hon Sir ROGER DOUGLAS (ACT) 
: 
 I am not sure what I should say but I do congratulate the member Tau Henare. I will stand for just a moment and congratulate my colleague Heather Roy on what she has achieved tonight in getting the Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill passed. 
My only regret tonight is that Clayton Cosgrove is not here to enjoy Heather’s success. How many members does the Labour Party have? Is it 30-odd? Oh it will be 20-odd shortly if that party is lucky. But of that 30 only one member of the Labour Party actually understands the principle that underlies the bill. I can do no better tonight than to quote Clayton Cosgrove. This is the question he asked: “Why should I as a politician tell you or anyone else what you should belong to?”. He has got it. He has gone to the heart of the bill. It is about freedom—individual choice. He went on to say: “If you want to join the footy club the workingmen’s club … It’s your choice …”. 
At the end of the day the difference between members on that side of the House and members on this side is very simple. Members on that side of the House want to take people’s money via taxes or whatever and tell them how to spend it. In this case those members want to do it by legislation. They want to tell people how to spend their own money. But those members go much deeper than that. They want to tax people and then actually tell them what school they want to go to what hospital they can go to and what risk cover they can have. 
This bill is about freedom. The point about this bill is very simple. It does not matter whether 95 percent of students want to join the students association. That is their right and we support them in having that right to choose. But the 5 percent also have the right to opt out to decide not to join. That is a fundamental— 
Iain Lees-Galloway 
: Opt out. 
Hon Sir ROGER DOUGLAS 
: Well of course they opt out. They opt out by not joining. It is very simple. I could not care less whether there were 10000 students and only five did not want to join. That should be their right and that is what this bill is all about. Clayton Cosgrove understands that and it is a pity a few more in the Labour Party do not understand it. 
I conclude by saying that over time in New Zealand we have come to respect the importance of freedom of association. We in this House have ratified the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights which guarantees to individuals the freedom of association. I might add and this is very important that it explicitly includes the right not to associate. 
I congratulate my colleague on the work she has done. New Zealand will be a much better place for having passed this law.
Chadwick Steve: Employment Relations (Secret Ballot for Strikes) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Chadwick Steve: Employment Relations (Secret Ballot for Strikes) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Hon STEVE CHADWICK (Junior Whip—Labour) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. We require a little bit more of an explanation behind that proposed amendment. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Sure I can explain that to you. What has happened is that new clause 4A has just been passed which we have just voted on. What happened is that when clause 2 was debated and passed earlier on—not today but at a previous sitting of the Committee—a mistake was made. What happens now is that the member is seeking leave to reconsider clause 2. If you give leave for this to happen you can vote for or against clause 2 again. It is up for reconsideration. The member is seeking leave of the Committee to reconsider clause 2 to replace the reference in clause (1AA) to clause 6A with a reference to clause 4A which we have just passed. So he is seeking leave to do that. Do you follow that? I just make the point that a mistake was made at a previous sitting of the Committee of the whole House. This corrects that but you have the opportunity to vote for the leave. We still come back to clause 2 again to reconsider it so you have the opportunity to vote for or against it. I am putting the leave. Leave is sought for that purpose. Is there any objection? There is objection.
Vote: Video Camera Surveillance (Temporary Measures) Bill — First Reading 
Vote: Video Camera Surveillance (Temporary Measures) Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:676;Page:21471] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Video Camera Surveillance (Temporary Measures) Bill be now read a first time. 
Ayes 106 
New Zealand National 57; New Zealand Labour 42; ACT New Zealand 5; Progressive 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 15 
Green Party 9; Maori Party 4; Mana 1; Independent: Carter C. 
Bill read a first time.
Blue Jackie: Sleepover Wages (Settlement) Bill — First Reading 
Blue Jackie: Sleepover Wages (Settlement) Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:676;Page:21480] 
Dr JACKIE BLUE (National) 
: 
 I am very pleased to take a short call on the first reading of the Sleepover Wages (Settlement) Bill. The issue came into the spotlight early this year when the Court of Appeal upheld the Employment Court decision that disability support workers should be paid the minimum wage for sleepover shifts. 
The issue had its origins in 2007 when a claim was lodged by an employee of IDEA Services—which is owned by IHC—with the Employment Relations Authority regarding payment for sleepovers. In July 2009 the Employment Court ruled that sleep constituted work and that the minimum wage should be applied for each and every hour of work. The Court of Appeal upheld the decision earlier this year. 
This decision from the Court of Appeal is extremely significant for public health services and it is important that the issue is resolved for people with disabilities and their families. Providing quality support is a priority for this Government and it is crucial that the issue was resolved to the satisfaction of everyone. It has been a top priority. This new legislation supports the agreement to bring sleepover wages up to the minimum wage. The practice of workers being paid just the standard rate while sleeping will no longer apply. I commend this bill to the House.
Wagner Nicky: Sleepover Wages (Settlement) Bill — First Reading 
Wagner Nicky: Sleepover Wages (Settlement) Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:676;Page:21482] 
NICKY WAGNER (National) 
: 
 I am very pleased to support the Sleepover Wages (Settlement) Bill at its first reading. This has been a very controversial issue for several years and it is very good that we finally have a solution. 
I have met with many of these workers who will be affected by this bill and from the descriptions of their work I can say only that this payment is well-deserved. This solution will ensure that people with disabilities are provided with the best-quality support at all times day and night. 
It would have been impossible for providers to pay these amounts without Government support. Under this agreement the Government will pay $90 million over 3 years towards a phase-in of the minimum wage and $27.5 million toward the back-pay liabilities of the providers. But IDEA Services and other providers are also putting in money to contribute to the backdated liabilities. 
This bill relates only to the agreement between IDEA Services and Timata Hou Services a subsidiary of IDEA Services. They are the main providers of these services. The rest of the providers can access the framework of the bill including the back-pay and the progression to minimum pay process but only through an Order in Council. Other providers have a maximum of 5 years to take up the settlement offered in the framework but the bill extinguishes any further claims. It is a full and final settlement. 
I know that the workers I have met were extremely frustrated that this issue has dragged on since 2007 under Labour and they will be delighted with this outcome. Health and disability support workers have a tough job and from what I see many of them love their job are devoted to the people they care for and really go the extra mile. We want to keep these dedicated workers in the system and this settlement will help.
Finlayson Christopher: Video Camera Surveillance (Temporary Measures) Bill — First Reading 
Finlayson Christopher: Video Camera Surveillance (Temporary Measures) Bill — First Reading 
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Hon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON (Attorney-General) 
: 
 I move  
That the Justice and Electoral Committeeconsider the Video Camera Surveillance (Temporary Measures) Bill 
 that the committee report finally to the House on or before 3 October 2011 and that the committee have authority to meet tomorrow and at any time while the House is sitting (except during oral questions) during any evening on a day on which there has been a sitting of the House and on a Friday in a week in which there has been a sitting of the House despite Standing Orders 187 and 190(1)(b) and (c). 
Motion agreed to.
Hutchison Paul: Sleepover Wages (Settlement) Bill — First Reading 
Hutchison Paul: Sleepover Wages (Settlement) Bill — First Reading 
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Dr PAUL HUTCHISON (National—Hunua) 
: 
 It is a pleasure to speak on the Sleepover Wages (Settlement) Bill. This bill is about the National Government seeking and finding a practical solution to ensure that caregivers for the disabled who sleep overnight are reasonably compensated for their work. The National Government has worked extremely hard and well with IDEA Services Timata Hou and the Service and Foodworkers Union to ensure that this will happen. It is a win-win solution for the caregivers for their union and for the taxpayers and their Government. Added to that the caregivers will receive due back-pay prior to Christmas and by July 2013 minimum wages will have been phased in. 
Darien Fenton can certainly not claim the high ground on this issue. For 9 long years these workers have been under those conditions but it was not until 2007 that the initial court case was taken. In many respects the disability sector is a Cinderella part of society. It is one of our most vulnerable parts and often its advocacy powers are not as strong as many others. I think we should all recognise this. It is not a great situation for the sector to be in. 
There are in the order of 30000 or more caregivers around New Zealand. I understand there are about 3700 caregivers in this particular group who are involved in sleepovers. It was the Levin disability worker who sparked the 4-year legal battle over pay. Mr Phillip William Dickson is to be admired for his tenacity and courage. About 6 months ago in my electorate I had about 10 workers come to me. They pointed out just how arduous and how challenging their jobs can be with separation from their families overnight; at times there are highly complex cases without back-up; and of course at times they assist with toileting etc. 
I will make one note: Mr Paul Quinn has up in the gallery one of his constituents a caregiver who came to him. I must say that it is through their continuous and determined efforts that we finally have arrived at this bill tonight which has sought a practical solution. I am very glad to say that the bill will be at a select committee tomorrow. We will hopefully be hearing submissions and we will bring it back to the House next week.
Hughes Gareth: Urgency 
Hughes Gareth: Urgency 
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GARETH HUGHES (Green) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I just wish to clarify for the House that for Sue Kedgley’s valedictory approval of the House was given at 2 p.m. today. In voting and opposing the House’s use of urgency we were not explicitly voting to oppose Sue Kedgley’s valedictory. 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: I understand that. That has been clarified by the Acting Leader of the House so that is fine.
Katene Rahui: Taxation (Annual Rates Returns Filing and Remedial Matters) Bill — First Reading 
Katene Rahui: Taxation (Annual Rates Returns Filing and Remedial Matters) Bill — First Reading 
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RAHUI KATENE (Maori Party—Te Tai Tonga) 
: 
 I rise to take a very brief call on the Taxation (Annual Rates Returns Filing and Remedial Matters) Bill. This is one of those bills that attempt to take on a broad series of amendments to be introduced to several inland revenue Acts and regulations. The main proposals are simplifying tax filing requirements including simpler requirements for individuals and supporting employers in an electronic environment; taxing bonus shares issued by companies under profit distribution plans; deductibility of unsuccessful software development costs; the changes to KiwiSaver contribution rates announced as part of Budget 2011; ensuring that recent GST changes to phoenix fraud schemes and apportionment of input tax deductions operate as intended; and conferring donee status on four overseas charities. 
I do not propose to talk in detail about these points or even to talk about the economy which other speakers have done today other than to say that the Maori Party supports an economy of investment which leads to greater productivity but also is richer because of the tangible difference it makes to well-being. In this context then the Maori Party supports the effective administration and collection of taxpayer funds and by implication the party supports less compliance for businesses. We have always seen it as important to incentivise small businesses to grow by reducing unnecessary compliance costs and the proposals around software development and simplifying the tax filing requirements should be received positively by small-business owners. We believe that these changes will help to ensure that tax law does not discourage investment and innovation. 
Finally the only other point I would make on this bill is regarding Maori authorities’ income tax rates for the 2012-13 tax year being the same as those for the current year—that is 17.5 percent. This tax rate was lowered last year which was a positive adjustment. 
We are inclined to support this bill as we believe that the changes will reduce filing requirements for individuals businesses and authorities alike and help to produce a more innovative and efficient tax system. Thank you.
Power Simon: Urgency 
Power Simon: Urgency 
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Hon SIMON POWER (Acting Leader of the House) 
: 
 I move  
That urgency be accorded the introduction and first reading of the Video Camera Surveillance (Temporary Measures) Bill the Sleepover Wages (Settlement) Bill and for Sue Kedgley to give her valedictory statement at 5.45 as determined by the Business Committee.  
As members will be aware the recent Supreme Court decision in Hamed and others with regard to the use of video surveillance has serious implications both for current prosecutions in cases already before the courts and ongoing investigations by the police and other law enforcement agencies. The Government has decided it is vital we ensure that the police cameras that are currently switched off are switched back on as soon as possible. Therefore we intend to introduce the bill and pass it after a brief select committee consideration to preserve the common law as it has been understood by successive Governments the police and the Court of Appeal before the Supreme Court decision of 2 September. The bill is an interim measure and if Parliament passes it it will remain in force for no longer than 12 months to enable a permanent regime to be put in place. 
With regard to the Sleepover Wages (Settlement) Bill it is also the product of a court decision. Following the finding by the Court of Appeal that sleepovers constituted work for the purposes of the Minimum Wage Act 1983 and that the minimum wage applied for each and every hour worked a settlement was reached between IDEA Services Ltd Timata Hou Ltd and the Service and Food Workers Union. Cabinet has agreed to the settlement to which the Crown contributes and this bill will provide the framework for settlement of these issues. The passage of the Sleepover Wages (Settlement) Bill is required in order to implement this settlement. Both of these bills will be considered by select committees until next Monday.
Vote: Urgency 
Vote: Urgency 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That urgency be accorded. 
Ayes 110 
New Zealand National 57; New Zealand Labour 42; ACT New Zealand 5; Maori Party 4; Progressive 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 11 
Green Party 9; Mana 1; Independent: Carter C. 
Motion agreed to.
Vote: Taxation (Annual Rates Returns Filing and Remedial Matters) Bill — First Reading 
Vote: Taxation (Annual Rates Returns Filing and Remedial Matters) Bill — First Reading 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the motion be agreed to. 
Ayes 110 
New Zealand National 57; New Zealand Labour 42; ACT New Zealand 5; Maori Party 4; Progressive 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 11 
Green Party 9; Mana 1; Independent: Carter C. 
Motion agreed to. 
Bill referred to the Finance and Expenditure Committee.
Vote: Taxation (Annual Rates Returns Filing and Remedial Matters) Bill — First Reading 
Vote: Taxation (Annual Rates Returns Filing and Remedial Matters) Bill — First Reading 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Taxation (Annual Rates Returns Filing and Remedial Matters) Bill be now read a first time. 
Ayes 110 
New Zealand National 57; New Zealand Labour 42; ACT New Zealand 5; Maori Party 4; United Future 1; Progressive 1. 
Noes 11 
Green Party 9; Mana 1; Independent: Carter C. 
Bill read a first time.
Dunne Peter: Taxation (Annual Rates Returns Filing and Remedial Matters) Bill — First Reading 
Dunne Peter: Taxation (Annual Rates Returns Filing and Remedial Matters) Bill — First Reading 
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Hon PETER DUNNE (Minister of Revenue) 
: 
 I move  
That the Finance and Expenditure Committeeconsider the Taxation (Annual Rates Returns Filing and Remedial Matters) Bill.
Vote: Criminal Procedure (Reform and Modernisation) Bill — Second Reading 
Vote: Criminal Procedure (Reform and Modernisation) Bill — Second Reading 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments recommended by the Justice and Electoral Committee by majority be agreed to. 
Ayes 110 
New Zealand National 57; New Zealand Labour 42; ACT New Zealand 5; Maori Party 4; Progressive 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 11 
Green Party 9; Mana 1; Independent: Carter C. 
Question agreed to.
Sepuloni Carmel: Criminal Procedure (Reform and Modernisation) Bill — Second Reading 
Sepuloni Carmel: Criminal Procedure (Reform and Modernisation) Bill — Second Reading 
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CARMEL SEPULONI (Labour) 
: 
 I will not make this a long speech because I think that my Labour colleagues who have spoken before me have covered all that needs to be covered. Labour has always been in favour of streamlining New Zealand’s criminal justice system but we have objected through the parliamentary process to the erosion of certain of our fundamental rights. The changes we oppose are set out quite strongly in our minority report. It is pleasing that members of the other parties have now reached a similar position to Labour’s and as a result the Minister of Justice Simon Power has agreed to the deletion of or substantial modification to the unacceptable parts of the Criminal Procedure (Reform and Modernisation) Bill. 
We have heard a lot today about the unacceptable parts of the bill. I for the first time today have heard ACT express concerns about those unacceptable parts of the bill. I find it interesting that Mr John Boscawen is trying to take credit for the Minister of Justice’s decision to remove those unacceptable parts of the bill. I think credit is really due to my fellow member of the Justice and Electoral Committee Charles Chauvel who did a wonderful job of highlighting the inadequacies and the unacceptable parts of the bill. 
I will leave it at that. I just say that Labour supports this bill.
Macindoe Tim: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Macindoe Tim: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
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3. 
TIM MACINDOE (National—Hamilton West) 
 to the  
Minister of Health 
: What investment has there been in new and wider access to medicines for New Zealanders since 2008? 
Hon TONY RYALL (Minister of Health) 
: 
 I am pleased to be able to advise the House that the Government has increased its spending on medicines by $180 million over the last 3 years fulfilling an important promise that we made in 2008. So far this has resulted in New Zealanders receiving an additional 4.2 million prescriptions and in better access to medicines for around an extra 180000 people each year. This is part of the $1.5 billion of new funding this Government has put into the public health service since 2008. 
Tim Macindoe 
: How is this investment benefiting New Zealanders? 
Hon TONY RYALL 
: I am advised that in the last 3 years since the change of Government Pharmac has funded 59 new medicines and widened access to another 68 medicines. Before this investment many patients had to pay the full cost of these medicines or go without them. They include new treatments for advanced lung and kidney cancers and for cardiac and respiratory problems and wider access to medicines for diabetes and high cholesterol. And we cannot forget Herceptin which the last Government would not commit to funding. More than 750 women have received this publicly funded medicine since 2008. These medicines are making a real impact on the lives of hundreds of thousands of patients.
Mallard Trevor: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Mallard Trevor: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
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Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 Of course the question was deliberately detailed in order to get that but I just highlight to you that when questions are transferred I think it has normally been good practice to consult with the questioner as to whether the questioner is happy not with the transfer but with the reworded question when rewording occurs. I do not think that happened on this occasion. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: If that did not happen I certainly apologise to the member because I well understand that normal practice.
Power Simon: Business of the House 
Power Simon: Business of the House 
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Hon SIMON POWER (Acting Leader of the House) 
: 
 Following discussions in the Business Committee about the valedictory statements that have been scheduled over the remaining sitting days I seek leave for the House to suspend for the dinner break each day or adjourn if the day is a Thursday at the conclusion of the valedictory statements. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Is there any objection to that course of action being followed? There is no objection.