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Tisch Lindsay: Racing Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Tisch Lindsay: Racing Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:606;Page:3974] 
LINDSAY TISCH (NZ National—Piako) 
: 
 I just bring the Committee’s attention to new clause 63A which is a significant clause and one that I promoted at the select committee. One of the areas we need to look at in racing is giving the boards the opportunity to think outside the square and for clubs to be able to run and be involved in—with the approval of the Minister as stated in the clause—running a race meeting. There may well be individuals who want to put up stakes of if you like $100000. At the moment a person cannot do that but new clause 63A allows that to happen. It also allows the board to be able to be involved in gaming issues which is covered in clause 59 in Part 6. I do not know what the impact of the Responsible Gambling Bill will be on clause 59 but we will be waiting to see with interest. Because that will have a big impact on how the board operates whether it operates its own race meetings and how it will operate with gaming machines. We will be waiting to see that one when it comes in. Certainly it will have an impact. I think clause 63A is an important one because it allows investment in the industry; it allows someone to come in with the Minister’s approval and say: “I believe I can run a race meeting. Let’s go and do it.” 
Part 7 agreed to.
Maharey Steve: Children’s Commissioner Bill — In Committee 
Maharey Steve: Children’s Commissioner Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:613;Page:9901] 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY (Minister for Social Development and Employment) 
: 
 I rise to take a very short call. One of the things that attracted my attention during the debate and that I think is worth making a very quick comment on is the pronunciation of the name of the new Children’s Commissioner. We are talking about someone who is a fantastic person and I think everybody agrees with that regardless of where they come from around the Chamber. She has a practical and an academic track record that makes her highly appointable. In fact I cannot imagine anybody in the Chamber who would not have appointed her. However she is having a little bit of difficulty in getting people to pronounce her name properly. It is pronounced “Kiro” not “Ki-roe” and the various other pronunciations that have occurred in the Chamber. I just say that for the sake of getting the commissioner’s name right. She is a person who deserves to have her name pronounced properly. She is a person of real standing and independence and she has had a real impact already. So “Kiro” is the way that her name is pronounced. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 116 in the name of the Hon Steve Maharey to Part 3 be agreed to.
Cullen Michael: Business Statement 
Cullen Michael: Business Statement 
[Volume:616;Page:11989] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 Next week in the House priority will be given to the Committee stage of the Income Tax Bill. Following the conclusion of that urgency will be taken. An email has gone to all party whips outlining the business to be included in the urgency motion. Urgency will certainly not go beyond 6 o’clock on Friday.
Vote: Health Practitioners Competence Assurance Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Health Practitioners Competence Assurance Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:611;Page:8098] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 48 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8. 
Noes 69 
Labour 52; Green Party 9; United Future 8. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 103 in the name of Dr Lynda Scott to insert new subclauses (3) and (4) in clause 52 be agreed to.
Vote: Future Directions (Working for Families) Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Procedure 
Vote: Future Directions (Working for Families) Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:617;Page:13473] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the motion be agreed to. 
Ayes 81 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8. 
Noes 28 
New Zealand National 22; ACT New Zealand 5; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Motion agreed to.
Brownlee Gerry: Foreshore and Seabed Bill — In Committee Procedure 
Brownlee Gerry: Foreshore and Seabed Bill — In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:621;Page:17140] 
GERRY BROWNLEE (Deputy Leader—National) 
: 
 I speak in relation to the amendment to clause 117(3) on Supplementary Order Paper 306 in the name of the Hon Dr Michael Cullen. Although it is not mentioned specifically there it is a clause inserted by the Deputy Prime Minister to deal in particular with the difficulty or the situation that has arisen around the Bayswater Marina on the North Shore. I seek the leave of the Committee to have that subclause voted on separately from the whole Supplementary Order Paper. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: The member is quite entitled to seek leave for that. Is there any objection to that course of action? There is.  
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Metiria Turei to clause 111 be agreed to: 
to insert after subclause (1) the following new subclauses: 
(1A)Upon beginning discussions with a view to an agreement under subsection(1) the Ministers must as soon as practicable advise any— 
(a)holders of ancestral connection orders; and 
(b)holders of customary rights orders; and 
(c)holders of territorial customary rights orders; and 
(d)iwi; and 
(e)hapu— 
who may have an interest in the specified area that an agreement is under discussion. 
(1B)Before an agreement is entered into under subsection (1) the Ministers must take into account any issues raised by the interested parties specified in subsection (1A).
Vote: Budget Debate 
Vote: Budget Debate 
[Volume:618;Page:13741] 
A party vote was called for on the question That all the words after “That” be omitted and the following inserted: “this House has no confidence in the Labour-led Government because it has squandered New Zealand’s greatest ever opportunity to invest in policies which would restore this country to the levels of prosperity enjoyed by Australians; because it has chosen for New Zealanders policies which promote dependence rather than independence; and because after five years of over-taxing hard-working New Zealanders it has embarked on a programme of cynically-timed election year giveaways to many of those same New Zealanders funded by their own taxes.” 
Ayes 34 
New Zealand National 27; ACT New Zealand 7. 
Noes 70 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Abstentions 13 
New Zealand First 13. 
Amendment not agreed to.
Vote: Medicines (Specified Biotechnical Procedures)  Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Vote: Medicines (Specified Biotechnical Procedures)  Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:625;Page:19769] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Medicines (Specified Biotechnical Procedures) Amendment Bill be now read a first time.  
Ayes 83 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 36 
New Zealand National 27; ACT New Zealand 8; Maori Party 1. 
Bill read a first time.
Benson-Pope David: Credit Contracts and Consumer Finance Bill — Third Reading 
Benson-Pope David: Credit Contracts and Consumer Finance Bill — Third Reading 
[Volume:612;Page:8897] 
DAVID BENSON-POPE (NZ Labour—Dunedin South) 
: 
 I am delighted to rise very briefly in support of this bill and recommend its speedy passage through the House.
Robertson H V Ross: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Robertson H V Ross: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:625;Page:20364] 
7.  
H V ROSS ROBERTSON (Labour—Manukau East) 
 to the  
Minister of Education 
: What steps is he taking to encourage greater saving towards the cost of tertiary education? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Minister of Education) 
: 
 The Government is seeking expressions of interest in providing a tertiary education savings scheme with individual accounts specifically for meeting the costs of tertiary education. This would enable families to plan ahead and it would also complement the existing forms of student support. Tertiary education is a significant investment for many individuals and their families and the Government is committed to keeping the costs as affordable as possible ensuring that low-income groups are not shut out and giving grandparents an opportunity to put something towards their grandkids. 
H V Ross Robertson 
: What would be the major elements of a tertiary savings scheme? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: If the Government decides to proceed with the scheme it is likely that it would be voluntary. Contributions could stop and start depending on a family’s circumstances. The Government may make a contribution to encourage participation in the scheme. That could include an upfront payment targeted to encourage early enrolment in the scheme. Funds could be used only for tertiary education costs and individuals would not be able to access a student loan until they had drawn down funds from their savings account. An individual’s account balance would not however affect his or her eligibility for a student allowance. 
Bernie Ogilvy 
: Will the Government consider what will happen to those savings of individuals in this commendable and forward-thinking scheme who choose not to undertake tertiary education; and should the scheme not also allow young adults to use their savings for other useful purposes such as starting a business or buying a home? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: I thank the member and his party for their support of this scheme and for the advice the member has given me over a period of time on the design of it. But I would like to make it clear that if an individual got to a certain age without using the savings an appropriate approach would probably be for that person to transfer the savings to a superannuation scheme. I do not think it would be a good thing to have the Government contributions available for the general use of individuals and I do not think we would want to be arbiters of what is good use and what is not.
Barker Rick: Parole (Extended Supervision) and Sentencing Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Barker Rick: Parole (Extended Supervision) and Sentencing Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:618;Page:14169] 
Hon RICK BARKER (Associate Minister of Justice) 
: 
 Atthe moment as I understand it we have essentially a vote for all the amendments except the two that have been identified as Mr Ryall’s. So at this stage there would be three votes.
Jones Dail: Status of Redundancy Payments Bill — First Reading 
Jones Dail: Status of Redundancy Payments Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:606;Page:4047] 
DAIL JONES (Junior Whip—NZ First) 
: 
 I think Mr Hide was telling the truth. He was perfectly entitled to say what he did. If Mr Cullen does not like it that is just too bad. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Clem Simich) 
: Let us settle down. I too took exception to the use of the word “corruption” by Mr Hide but I think in the context it was not all that offensive. I will not require him to withdraw it. 
Rodney Hide 
: I will withdraw and apologise if you took offence Mr Assistant Speaker. Then we can move on. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Clem Simich) 
: Thank you Mr Hide. Where we are at is that at some stage there was confusion in the House and there can be confusion in the House or a particular member or party can indeed be confused. These matters can be dealt with and should be dealt with before the vote is declared. The vote had not been declared and because of the confusion and all the help that the Chair has had I will ask the Clerk to conduct the vote again.
Prebble Richard: Points of Order — Question No. 4 to Minister 13 May 
Prebble Richard: Points of Order — Question No. 4 to Minister 13 May 
[Volume:608;Page:5679] 
Hon RICHARD PREBBLE (Leader—ACT NZ) 
: 
 I thought it might be helpful to say that if the member has information that contradicts the personal explanation and acquires that information after 2 o’clock today then that becomes the “first available opportunity”. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Absolutely!
Mapp Wayne: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Mapp Wayne: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:614;Page:10494] 
Dr WAYNE MAPP (National—North Shore) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. This is in reference to question No. 3—I did not want to interrupt question No. 4. I am sure Dr Cullen did not intend to mislead the House when he said that the legislation deemed the land to be owned by the Crown. Section 9A states that all lands including foreshore and seabed “shall be land of the Crown”. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: That is debating the answer. That is not relevant as a point of order.
Vote: Gambling Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Vote: Gambling Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:611;Page:8503] 
A party vote 
Ayes 60 
Labour 52; United Future 8. 
Noes 55 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 6; Green Party 9. 
Motion agreed to. 
was called for on the question That the question be now put. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 132 in the name of the Hon George Hawkins to Part 3 be agreed to.
Vote: Ngaa Rauru Kiitahi Claims Settlement Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Vote: Ngaa Rauru Kiitahi Claims Settlement Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:627;Page:21880] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 2 be agreed to. 
Ayes 110 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand National 26; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2; Maori Party 1. 
Noes 6 
ACT New Zealand 6. 
Part 2 agreed to.
Paraone Pita: Maori Fisheries Bill — In Committee 
Paraone Pita: Maori Fisheries Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:620;Page:15612] 
PITA PARAONE (NZ First) 
: 
 I want to take a call with regard to Supplementary Order Paper 257 which has been advanced by Dr Mapp. I should say from the outset that I am a little like the honourable member from ACT in that although I have some concerns about that Supplementary Order Paper I think I will tend to support it. Anything that helps to advance the transfer of quota as soon as possible to iwi ought to be supported and I think that Supplementary Order Paper 257 does that by recognising those iwi that are already well advanced in terms of how they have managed their quota to date. 
Mr Mapp has suggested that three criteria should be the threshold to be met before iwi should receive their quota. One is that there should be a mandated iwi authority. I have no problem with that. The second criterion is that the iwi should hold a relevant quota entitlement. That in itself excludes a number of iwi groups. I take on board the comments that were made by the honourable member for ACT when he made reference to the use of the word “hapu”. In fact he actually suggested that the word “hapu” should be substituted for “iwi”. I want to say that for the past number of years when quota has been allocated it has not been able to be allocated to hapu. Why is that? It is because Te Ohu Kai Moana has determined that quota should go only to iwi and therefore hapu have been excluded from that opportunity. That is in spite of hapu actually signing the Treaty of Waitangi which this bill is all about. The third of Dr Mapp’s criteria is that iwi groups in order to benefit from the provisions on that Supplementary Order Paper should have to demonstrate a track record of increasing shareholder value over a 3-year period. Now I know that first hapu will not be able to do that and second some iwi groups would have difficulty in providing that evidence. So I suggest that there is every reason to maintain the essence of the bill. 
But if we are to give credence to promoting the transfer of the assets as quickly as possible to iwi then Supplementary Order Paper 257 certainly recognises those iwi that have already demonstrated their ability to operate in a commercial area and to increase their shareholder value. I signal our support for that Supplementary Order Paper.
Carter John: Debate on Crown Entities Public Organisations and State Enterprises — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Carter John: Debate on Crown Entities Public Organisations and State Enterprises — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:617;Page:13235] 
JOHN CARTER (Senior Whip—National) 
: 
 Mr English has made some very good points and I suspect that we may have further discussion on this in the Business Committee. But further to that it now leaves us with one other issue. We have now decided by leave that we can debate Industry New Zealand. I will breach the Standing Orders by saying that I do not see that the Minister is available here at the moment for us to debate that legislation with him. I am aware that other Ministers can fill in but I thought the Minister might have been available to discuss his vote given that we gave notice that we intended to debate it. We have now been given leave and it would be unfortunate if he were not present to debate it.
Tisch Lindsay: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Referral to Health Committee Procedure In Committee 
Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume 
Tisch Lindsay: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Referral to Health Committee Procedure In Committee 
[Sitting date: 15 October 2003. Volume:612;Page:9244. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
LINDSAY TISCH (Junior Whip—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich) 
: Does the member have something new to add? 
LINDSAY TISCH 
: I want to bring it to your attention that my colleague the Hon Georgina te Heuheu has been seeking a call. She did defer earlier on to our senior colleague the Hon David Carter. The Hon Georgina te Heuheu has some new material. She has supported this bill and it would be very interesting to hear her perspective. She has a contribution to make and I ask that you give her that consideration. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich) 
: Thank you very much. It is important that members have their say. I do not need any help on that point of order and there is no requirement for a ruling. I hear what you say.
Vote: Racing Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Vote: Racing Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:606;Page:3967] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 54 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 6; United Future 8. 
Noes 62 
Labour 52; Green Party 8; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 282 in the name of Lindsay Tisch to clause 15 be agreed to.
Ririnui Mita: Care of Children Bill — Instruction to Committee Procedure In Committee 
Ririnui Mita: Care of Children Bill — Instruction to Committee Procedure In Committee 
[Volume:621;Page:16664] 
MITA RIRINUI (Labour—Waiariki) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Vote: Public Finance (State Sector Management) Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Public Finance (State Sector Management) Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:622;Page:17920] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 71 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2; Maori Party 1. 
Noes 49 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 9. 
Amendments agreed to.
Brownlee Gerry: Ngaa Rauru Kiitahi Claims Settlement Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Brownlee Gerry: Ngaa Rauru Kiitahi Claims Settlement Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:627;Page:21877] 
GERRY BROWNLEE (Deputy Leader—National) 
: 
 I raise again the issue of the Minister explaining the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi and how they came to be in this bill. I hope that he does take a call shortly. I notice that there are other members in the Committee who would like to make that explanation on behalf of the Government but appear to be out of favour with their whip at present. They are just having a discussion and some people may hear that discussion going on in the background. I hope it is successful and that they are able to take a call. 
I make it clear that from the National Party’s point of view it does not really make a lot of difference what the Government might think this phrase means because we are very clear about what it means. We are clear about the reason why we are supporting this particular settlement bill. As we have said before with the  
Hansard 
 record being an important reference these days and part of the historical record—and Mr Prebble showed us tonight just how important that record actually is—I think it is worth making the statement for the record as to why we support this particular bill. 
Interestingly earlier this evening Mr Franks from the ACT party put most articulately a view of article 2 of the treaty that fits very very well with the National Party’s view of how the treaty should be considered when it comes to matters of settlement. It is simply a matter of saying that people had a right at a particular time that was not respected by the Government of the day and we now go into a process of redress because in hindsight we still respect the right. It really is I think about as simple as that. It is not about partnership or non-Maori having some obligation to Maori; it is about all New Zealanders from 6 February 1840 being able to expect that their interests in property and other treasures—if we want to use that term—would be respected by the Government. 
Rather than take the Committee’s time and repeat everything that Mr Franks said I simply refer the Committee to the speech made by him earlier this evening because I think it made most clear the position the National members take in considering why we support a bill what we mean and what we understand the bill to mean when the Government states that it is taking this action with regard to rights arising from the Treaty of Waitangi and its principles.
Vote: Corrections Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Procedure 
Vote: Corrections Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:617;Page:13021] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 7; United Future 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Noes 62 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Marc Alexander to clause 10 be agreed to: 
to add the following new paragraph: 
(k)the authority to appoint independent inspectors of corrections who are not themselves corrections employees.
Brownlee Gerry: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Brownlee Gerry: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:611;Page:8120] 
GERRY BROWNLEE (NZ National—Ilam) 
: 
 I seek leave for this question to be held over to the next sitting day when the Minister of Local Government might be available to answer it. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought for this question to be held over. Is there any objection? There is objection.
Vote: Fisheries Amendment Bill (No 4) — Third Reading 
Vote: Fisheries Amendment Bill (No 4) — Third Reading 
[Volume:619;Page:14695] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Fisheries Amendment Bill (No 4) be now read a third time. 
Ayes 107 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand National 25; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 7; United Future 8; Progressive 2; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Noes 10 
Green Party 9; Maori Party 1. 
Bill read a third time.
Vote: Civil Aviation Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Civil Aviation Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:615;Page:11358] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 70 
New Zealand Labour 52; Green Party 8; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 48 
New Zealand National 26; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Motion agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 180 in the name of the Hon Harry Duynhoven to clause 2 be agreed to. 
Amendments agreed to and Part 1 as amended agreed to.
Mark Ron: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Mark Ron: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:625;Page:20542] 
RON MARK (NZ First) 
: 
 I seek leave of the House to table a document that shows Vote Police between 1970 and 2004 including the time from 1997 to 1998 when the Rt Hon Winston Peters was Treasurer and when Vote Police was increased both times. 
Document by leave laid on the Table of the House.
Vote: Future Directions (Working for Families) Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Procedure 
Vote: Future Directions (Working for Families) Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:617;Page:13514] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 2 be agreed to 
. 
Ayes 79 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 7; United Future 8. 
Noes 28 
New Zealand National 21; ACT New Zealand 6; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Part 2 agreed to.
Voting — Correction 
Voting — Correction 
[Volume:620;Page:15496] 
Voting 
Correction 
SUE KEDGLEY (Green) 
: 
 I seek leave to have the Maori Party vote recorded in support of the Education (School Boards of Trustees Single Transferable Vote Option) Amendment Bill. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Clem Simich) 
: Leave is sought for that course to be followed. Is there any objection? There appears to be none. The result of that vote is now Ayes 10 Noes 108.
Pettis Jill: Employment Relations (Flexible Working Hours) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Pettis Jill: Employment Relations (Flexible Working Hours) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:624;Page:19721] 
JILL PETTIS (Labour—Whanganui) 
: 
 I support the bill going through to the select committee.
Burton Mark: Business of Select Committees — Reporting Dates 
Burton Mark: Business of Select Committees — Reporting Dates 
[Volume:608;Page:5899] 
Hon MARK BURTON (Acting Leader of the House) 
: 
 I seek leave for the time by which the Transport and Industrial Relations Committee must finally report the Rodney District Council (PENLINK Toll Road) Empowering Bill to be extended to 8 September 2003 and for the time by which the Health Committee must finally report the Human Assisted Reproductive Technology Bill to be extended to 13 February 2004. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Is there any objection to that course being followed on those bills? There appears to be none.
Dalziel Lianne: Immigration Amendment Bill (No 2) — Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
Dalziel Lianne: Immigration Amendment Bill (No 2) — Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:609;Page:6767] 
Hon LIANNE DALZIEL (Minister of Immigration) 
: I move  
That it be an instruction to the Committee of the whole House on the Immigration Amendment Bill (No 2) that it take the bill part by part and consider any schedules as one question.
Vote: Civil Union Bill — In Committee Procedure 
Vote: Civil Union Bill — In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:622;Page:17561] 
A personal vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 46 
Adams(P) 
English(P) 
Peters J (P) 
Tisch  
Alexander (P) 
Franks(P) 
Peters W (P) 
Turner(P) 
Brash(P) 
Gudgeon(P) 
Power(P) 
Wang(P) 
Brown  
Heatley(P) 
Prebble(P) 
Williamson(P) 
Carter D (P) 
Hutchison(P) 
Roy  
Woolerton(P) 
Carter J (P) 
Jones(P) 
Ryall(P) 
Worth(P) 
Catchpole(P) 
Key(P) 
Scott(P) 
Coddington(P) 
Mapp(P) 
Shirley(P) 
Collins(P) 
McNair (P) 
Smith L (P) 
Connell(P) 
Newman(P) 
Smith M (P) 
Copeland(P) 
Ogilvy(P) 
Smith N (P) 
Dunne(P) 
Paraone(P) 
Stewart  
Teller: 
Eckhoff(P) 
Perry(P) 
te Heuheu(P) 
Baldock  
Noes 74 
Anderton(P) 
Duynhoven(P) 
Laban(P) 
Simich(P) 
Ardern(P) 
Dyson(P) 
Locke(P) 
Sowry(P) 
Barker(P) 
Ewen-Street(P) 
Mackey J (P) 
Sutton(P) 
Barnett(P) 
Fairbrother(P) 
Mackey M (P) 
Swain(P) 
Benson-Pope 
Field(P) 
Maharey(P) 
Tamihere(P) 
Beyer(P) 
Fitzsimons(P) 
Mahuta(P) 
Tanczos(P) 
Bradford(P) 
Gallagher (P) 
Mallard(P) 
Tizard(P) 
Brownlee(P) 
Goff(P) 
Mark 
Turei(P) 
Burton(P) 
Gosche(P) 
McCully(P) 
Turia(P) 
Carter C (P) 
Goudie(P) 
O'Connor(P) 
Ward(P) 
Chadwick(P) 
Hartley(P) 
Okeroa(P) 
Wilson(P) 
Choudhary(P) 
Hawkins(P) 
Parker(P) 
Wong(P) 
Clark(P) 
Hereora(P) 
Peck(P) 
Yates (P) 
Cosgrove(P) 
Hide(P) 
Pettis (P) 
Cullen(P) 
Hobbs(P) 
Pillay(P) 
Cunliffe(P) 
Hodgson(P) 
Rich(P) 
Dalziel(P) 
Horomia(P) 
Ririnui(P) 
Donald(P) 
Hunt(P) 
Robertson(P) 
Donnelly(P) 
Kedgley(P) 
Robson (P) 
Teller: 
Duncan(P) 
King(P) 
Samuels(P) 
Hughes  
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 314 in the name of Richard Worth to omit clause 24 be agreed to.
Cullen Michael: Urgency 
Cullen Michael: Urgency 
[Volume:612;Page:9336] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I move  
That urgency be accorded the passing through the remaining stages of the Counter-Terrorism Bill the Copyright (Parallel Importation of Films and Onus of Proof) Amendment Bill the Retirement Villages Bill the Criminal Investigations (Bodily Samples) Amendment Bill the Wine Bill the Criminal Justice Amendment Bill (No 7) the Intellectual Disability (Compulsory Care) Bill the New Zealand Horticulture Export Authority Amendment Bill (No 2) and of any bills into which those bills may be divided.  
Urgency is being moved in order to gain extra sitting hours so as to enable a range of Government business to be dealt with by the House before rising for a short adjournment.
Robertson H V Ross: Maori Fisheries Bill — In Committee 
Robertson H V Ross: Maori Fisheries Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:620;Page:15426] 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: This includes debate on schedules 2 3 3A 4 5 and 6.
Vote: Electricity and Gas Industries Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Electricity and Gas Industries Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:620;Page:15733] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 47 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 12; ACT New Zealand 8. 
Noes 71 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2; Awatere Huata 1. 
Amendment not agreed to.
Local Government Law Reform Bill (No 3) — Procedure 
Local Government Law Reform Bill (No 3) — Procedure 
[Volume:616;Page:12365] 
Local Government Law Reform Bill (No 3) 
Procedure 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I seek leave for the consideration of the Local Government Law Reform Bill (No 3) to include the consideration and adoption of amendments to the Local Government Act 1974 foreshadowed at the Business Committee meeting last week. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Is there any objection to that course being followed? There appears to be none.
Simich Clem: Speaker’s Rulings — Members’ Speeches—Termination 
Simich Clem: Speaker’s Rulings — Members’ Speeches—Termination 
[Volume:622;Page:18041] 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Clem Simich) 
: I am ready to give an answer on the issue of when a member’s speech terminates. It is correct that when a member resumes his or her seat the speech is terminated. Although that should be obvious it cannot cover all cases because members may indeed resume their seat while speaking for a whole lot of other reasons. They may get cramp or something like that. For our purposes at the moment the member is quite correct that when members resume their seat their speech is ended but it is very much up to the Speaker to make a decision.
Jones Dail: Wool Industry Restructuring Bill — Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
Jones Dail: Wool Industry Restructuring Bill — Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:609;Page:7122] 
DAIL JONES (Junior Whip—NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Chairperson. In view of the previous vote New Zealand First will withdraw its proposed amendments to clauses 18 through to 29.
Vote: New Zealand Trade and Enterprise Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Vote: New Zealand Trade and Enterprise Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:609;Page:6271] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 48 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8. 
Noes 71 
Labour 52; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Tony Ryall to clause 1 be agreed to: 
to omit the words “New Zealand Trade and Enterprise Act 2003” and substitute the words “Business Support Services Act 2003”.
Pillay Lynne: Hazardous Substances and New Organisms (Stockholm Convention) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Pillay Lynne: Hazardous Substances and New Organisms (Stockholm Convention) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:606;Page:3664] 
LYNNE PILLAY (NZ Labour—Waitakere) 
: 
 This is a good bill. This bill will enable New Zealand to ratify the Stockholm convention. By becoming a party to that convention New Zealand will contribute to global efforts to protect human and animal health and the environment. It is yet another example of this Government holding its head high on the world stage. I commend this bill to the House.
Power Simon: Masterton District Council (Montfort Trimble Foundation) Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
Power Simon: Masterton District Council (Montfort Trimble Foundation) Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:614;Page:10421] 
SIMON POWER (National—Rangitikei) 
: 
 Although I was not fortunate enough to serve on the select committee for this bill I have followed its passage with some interest. It affects parts of the electorate just over the ranges from my own so I have taken a quiet and understated interest in the passage of the bill. 
Members of the National Party will be supporting its passage through its stages. That is not to say that we will not be questioning or looking very closely at the amendment the member wishes to propose during the Committee stage of the bill as one would expect. It would be only right that Opposition members were able to give this sort of scrutiny to the last-minute clauses that this Government is prone to pop into legislation willy-nilly. I am surprised it has not been completely rewritten by way of Supplementary Order Paper at the last minute. We will watch with interest as the Committee stage proceeds. 
Georgina Beyer the local member for the area this bill relates to has done a good job of outlining the contents of the bill. I certainly do not want to waste the House’s time any longer than necessary over the provisions of the bill. It is important from time to time that the House does enable local legislation such as this to proceed in a timely fashion. Putting aside the issue of the one amendment that the member proposes which as I say we will be looking at in detail we will be supporting the passage of the bill.
Brownlee Gerry: Ngati Awa Claims Settlement Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Brownlee Gerry: Ngati Awa Claims Settlement Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:623;Page:18726] 
GERRY BROWNLEE (Deputy Leader—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. I make the point that in the contribution you listened to from Mr Burton you allowed no point of order to be raised but provided him with an opportunity to engage in the sort of debate that should have taken place had the motion been moved. I think that from that point of view the disservice to the Opposition is quite notable.
Business of the House 
Business of the House 
[Volume:609;Page:6608] 
Business of the House 
GORDON COPELAND (United Future) 
: 
 I would like to test the mood of the House. This has been a very emotional evening I think for all of us. The vote has been very very close and I wonder therefore whether the members might be prepared to consider whether the House should now adjourn. I am seeking leave that the House adjourn at this point. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The member can seek leave. Is there any objection? There is.
Benson-Pope David: Third Readings 
Benson-Pope David: Third Readings 
[Volume:612;Page:9379] 
DAVID BENSON-POPE (Labour—Dunedin South) 
: 
 I am pleased to rise in support of this bill and I am delighted to commend it to the House.
Vote: Motor Vehicle Sales Bill — In Committee Third Reading 
Vote: Motor Vehicle Sales Bill — In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:607;Page:4792] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 5 as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 69 
Noes 48 
Part 5 as amended agreed to. 
Labour 52; Green Party 9; United Future 8. 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8.
Hide Rodney: Points of Order — Agent Orange—Health Committee Report Doha Declaration—Motion 
Hide Rodney: Points of Order — Agent Orange—Health Committee Report Doha Declaration—Motion 
[Volume:622;Page:17667] 
RODNEY HIDE (Leader—ACT) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I note that the papers presented included the Government’s response to the Health Committee’s report on its inquiry into Agent Orange. We understand that today is the last opportunity for question time. It would be helpful if through you the Prime Minister could perhaps provide to the House her response to this report particularly for those veterans who have been damaged by Agent Orange because we will not have an opportunity to put any questions on it.
Vote: New Zealand Trade and Enterprise Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Vote: New Zealand Trade and Enterprise Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:609;Page:6303] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 35 
New Zealand National 27; ACT New Zealand 8. 
Noes 84 
Labour 52; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Tony Ryall to clause 9 be agreed to: 
to omit subclause (1)(c)(ii).
Cullen Michael: Foreshore and Seabed Bill — In Committee Procedure 
Cullen Michael: Foreshore and Seabed Bill — In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:621;Page:17127] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Deputy Prime Minister) 
: 
 I shall make a very brief extension to what I was saying last night just to indicate to the Committee that on Supplementary Order Paper 306 my colleague Helen Duncan in particular Metiria Turei and also Dr Wayne Mapp have raised with me the issue in relation to the Bayswater Marina. The Supplementary Order Paper in that respect deals with that particular issue. It is narrowly cast to make sure it does not get a lot of other things into the net that I think the select committee itself was clear should not be brought into the net in that case.
Duncan Helen: Minimum Wage Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
Duncan Helen: Minimum Wage Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
[Volume:609;Page:6230] 
HELEN DUNCAN (NZ Labour) 
: 
 I am proud to stand to support this bill and to belong to a party that believes that people should be paid a fair wage for a fair day’s work. The Labour Party believes that people should be paid for working. Clearly after listening to the last speaker we know that the National Party thinks that people should work for nothing. In my day that was actually called slavery but let us not mind about that. We believe that people should be paid for working; the National Party thinks they should not. Clearly that is why we are on the Government side of the House and those members are on the Opposition side. If they do not change their policies they will be there for a very very long time.
[Volume:619;Page:15076] 
I would like to say to Nandor Tanczos that I agree that his bill did act as a catalyst towards us having agreement on allowing hemp trials in New Zealand. He can take credit for that. I heard his speech tonight and he is not happy that we are not regulating hemp under the Ministry of Agriculture and Forestry. He would like to have seen it go in as a crop alongside any other crop and grown in the same way that we would grow any industrial crop. However it is the decision of the Government that we ought to with a new crop such as this—one that does have some risks—regulate it under the Misuse of Drugs Act rather than under the Ministry of Agriculture and Forestry. That is the decision we have made and we have gone about putting in place regulations to do that.
Hartley Ann: Naming and Suspension of Member 
Hartley Ann: Naming and Suspension of Member 
[Volume:608;Page:5288] 
Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: The member’s behaviour is quite disorderly. The member leaves me no choice but to name him. The question now is  
That the Hon Richard Prebble be suspended from the service of the House. 
 All those in favour please say “Aye” to the contrary “No”. The Ayes have it. 
Hon Richard Prebble 
: The Noes have it. 
Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Is— 
Hon Richard Prebble 
: If you knew the rules you would know what happens next. I am entitled to have a vote. Are you not even going to give me that?
Hunt Jonathan: Debate on Prime Minister’s Statement 
Hunt Jonathan: Debate on Prime Minister’s Statement 
[Volume:606;Page:3493] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The time allocated to the debate has expired. Members may wish to refer to page 2 of the Order Paper. The first question is that the amendment to the amendment to the amendment—that is the Hon Roger Sowry’s amendment—be agreed to. 
Amendment agreed to.
Parker David: Transport Legislation Bill — Second Reading 
Parker David: Transport Legislation Bill — Second Reading 
[Volume:621;Page:16735] 
DAVID PARKER (Labour—Otago) 
: 
 I will not speak quite as loudly but hopefully with close to the passion of the Hon Maurice Williamson a former Minister of Transport. But it was sad to listen to that speech. He does identify the major components of this legislation which will further improve our transport system by amongst other things creating a new agency: Land Transport New Zealand. Mr Williamson agrees that it is appropriate that the Land Transport Safety Authority of New Zealand and Transfund be merged into this new organisation. It is important that the policy arm of the Land Transport Safety Authority come under greater control of the ministry and therefore that we have a more accountable government for the transport industry as a consequence. 
We are helping to fix the transport industry in New Zealand. We are unlocking Auckland roads. Despite the major parts of this legislation being favoured by the National Party those members say because of politics—although they do not say that it is because of politics it is because of politics—that they will vote against the legislation. This is good legislation. I encourage National members to follow up on what they say about the merits of the fundamentals of this legislation and to cast their votes in favour of it.
Horomia Parekura: Personal Explanations — Replies to Questions for Written Answer 
Horomia Parekura: Personal Explanations — Replies to Questions for Written Answer 
[Volume:609;Page:6121] 
Hon PAREKURA HOROMIA (Minister of Maori Affairs) 
: 
 I seek the leave of the House to make a personal explanation under Standing Order 343.
Wilson Margaret: Urgent Debates Declined — Influenza—Vaccination Programme 
Wilson Margaret: Urgent Debates Declined — Influenza—Vaccination Programme 
[Volume:624;Page:19168] 
Madam SPEAKER 
: Leave has been sought in those terms. Is there any objection? There is.
Vote: Ngati Awa Claims Settlement Bill — In Committee Procedure 
Vote: Ngati Awa Claims Settlement Bill — In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:623;Page:18852] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That schedule 4 be agreed to 
. 
Ayes 98 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand National 27; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2; Maori Party 1. 
Noes 22 
New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 9. 
Schedule 4 agreed to.
Brown Peter: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Procedure Referral to Health Committee Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Brown Peter: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Procedure Referral to Health Committee Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:610;Page:7966] 
PETER BROWN (Senior Whip—NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I respect the member for telling us the effects of this bill on various industries and workplaces. I seek leave of the Committee to ask the member to explain the detail as it pertains to ships. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich) 
: The member in the chair is quite entitled to continue her speech or to take another call but the member cannot seek leave for her.
Peters Winston: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Peters Winston: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
[Volume:623;Page:18877] 
7.  
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First) 
 to the  
Minister of Police 
: What dedicated personnel and resources has he employed for the specific purpose of confronting the illegal P drug problem in the Western Bay of Plenty? 
Hon GEORGE HAWKINS (Minister of Police) 
: 
 I have been advised by police that they have five staff in the Western Bay of Plenty targeting methamphetamine. In 2003 Western Bay of Plenty police caught 21 methamphetamine criminals and last year they caught 79. I congratulate the police on their good work. 
Rt Hon Winston Peters 
: Why is the Minister making that audacious claim when he has no specialist police drug team at all in the Bay of Plenty from Turangi to Rotorua to Tauranga and across to the eastern seaboard and how many young lives have to be ruined in this area before he provides the specific resources that the police particularly need to attend to this burgeoning epidemic? 
Hon GEORGE HAWKINS 
: I can tell the member that while the police do not have a specific drug team they have a team targeting drugs and organised crime and they are having huge success. 
Hon Tony Ryall 
: Is it not the truth here that if one does not have a drug squad one does not find as many drugs and that means the crime stats look better and does not that explain why drug offences are up in every part of the Bay of Plenty except the Western Bay of Plenty? 
Hon GEORGE HAWKINS 
: The police are catching more and more people using drugs throughout the country and I have to say that the police do a very good job. I congratulate them on their good work—I do not bad-mouth them. 
Rt Hon Winston Peters 
: How does he expect anybody to believe him when in a meeting with the Tauranga police and in a briefing paper there was no mention of a dedicated team at all for the purpose he just mentioned there is no specialist drug team in the whole region at all it is one of the busiest ports in the country that is now known to be a centre of import of P and when will he get serious about this problem rather than bluffing his way through his portfolio? 
Hon GEORGE HAWKINS 
: I tell the member for Tauranga that there is a targeting squad focused on organised criminal activity as a part of targeting the drug deals. That is what is happening and it is having huge success.
Vote: Consumer Protection (Definitions of Goods and Services) Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Consumer Protection (Definitions of Goods and Services) Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:609;Page:6908] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 4 be agreed to. 
Ayes 80 
Labour 52; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 7; United Future 8. 
Noes 35 
New Zealand National 27; ACT New Zealand 8. 
Part 4 agreed to.
Brownlee Gerry: Business Statement 
Brownlee Gerry: Business Statement 
[Volume:614;Page:10653] 
GERRY BROWNLEE (Deputy Leader—National) 
: 
 I wonder whether the Leader of the House could tell us why we are not seeing seabed and foreshore legislation brought into the House while the House is sitting next week. We in the Opposition are concerned that an announcement will be made by the Government after the House has sat. I wonder if there is an announcement that leads to legislation to clarify the position for all New Zealanders the Leader of the House would consider bringing us back perhaps next Thursday for a 1-day debate on that particular decision?