Goldsmith Paul; Menéndez March RicardoHon KIRITAPU ALLAN (Minister of Justice): There was a broad-ranging contribution from my friend there so I'll try to address it in parts. One of the things that struck me with the contribution was that there seems to be a bit of a disassociation as to what the intent of the justice system is. I acknowledge the member's contribution that said that part of the purpose of a justice system is rehabilitation other parts are to denounce behaviours etc. However the part that probably made me ponder for a second is: for us the real purpose is ensuring that there are less victims over time. And so you've got to approach that task in two parts. So one there is the immediacy: we need to immediately respond to harm and reduce that. We also have to as good governors—stewards of a system—look to evidence that works. What ultimately reduces recidivism violent criminal offending? We have to look at interventions that are made. Is it prisons? Do they work? Are they the best outcome to reduce harm in the long run for victims and therefore New Zealanders? What the data shows us—and that's what we have to look at; not our feelings not our reckons but we have to look at data—recidivism rates are higher for people sentenced to prison for violent offending over those people who receive a serious community sentence for violent offending. As a good governor we have to look at these statistics because what we are looking at is harm in the long run for New Zealanders. We have to make sure that when we invest or we change tack it's because we ultimately want to reduce crime in the long run. And that's what we are ultimately seeing. We want to ensure that New Zealanders can report more crime and we're making it easier for them to do so and enable that participation. But as good governors we have an obligation to ensure that we commence with a hard and firm view on facts and evidence not just scaremongering and fear. To that next question from the member about the Make It 16 campaign: we have introduced and we have made commitments that we will follow through with the local government component of the Make It 16 policy amendments.Hon PAUL GOLDSMITH (National): Part of the annual review included the Human Rights Commission where we had a 14 percent increase in the Budget in the revenue from 2021 to 2022. And so a simple question for the Minister is: did she recuse herself from the discussion of that increase in the Budget for the Human Rights Commission? RICARDO MENÉNDEZ MARCH (Green): Just very briefly putting the questions regarding the intent of the warrant-to-arrest sanction policy and whether the Minister thinks that meets the goals that she may have in terms of the Government directions seeing as the Ministry of Social Development is opposed to it?Hon KIRITAPU ALLAN (Minister of Justice): I apologise Ricardo. We have no imminent policy decisions to make any amendments with respect to that policy around the benefits and what they receive. To my colleague the Hon Paul Goldsmith he may or may not have been aware that in June 2022 I had no ministerial responsibilities for the Ministry of Justice or for the Human Rights Commission.Hon PAUL GOLDSMITH (National): I agree entirely with the Minister she wasn't the Minister of Justice but she was still in the Cabinet and so it's still a relevant question. She may or may not choose to answer it but I still ask the question: did she recuse herself from that increase? Another question I have is finally in terms of the hate speech legislation how much has been spent on it—the development of the hate speech legislation—and what are the Government's plans for it currently?