Mitchell MarkHon MARK MITCHELL (National—Rodney): Thank you Madam Chair. Minister Little I'm going to address some of your opening comments and I would ask you to take a call in response to them. They are important.The first one is around the fact that your opening comment was that in your briefings and the information that you have you clearly understand who the individuals are and where the threat lies. And I accept you on your word on that. I believe that when we were in Government we were seeing the same briefings. But you're operating on this premise that that is the only threat that we absolutely 100 percent without any doubt know how many people are overseas how many Kiwis are overseas how many have engaged in some sort of terror activity and when they're likely to come back. And I can tell you absolutely categorically there is not one intelligence agency in this world there is not one country in this world that can say that they know categorically who the people are—the individuals the threat that they pose. Chris Penk made a very good point and it's salient. He said—and this is the stuff that catches Governments out all the time: it's what you don't know. It's what you don't know. When we are talking about something as serious as our national security and public safety then we should be doing everything that we can to pass legislation in this House that deals with the stuff that we don't know. And you Minister are operating completely on the premise that you believe that you know categorically—CHAIRPERSON (Hon Ruth Dyson): The Hon Mark Mitchell I know the Speaker made the Mark Mitchell ruling to be more lenient on the use of you" but just pull back from it.Hon MARK MITCHELL: Fair enough. Thank you Madam Chair. So the Minister has stood in this House and very clearly stated that he knows without any doubt who the individuals are who the people are and what the threat is. So I'd ask him to stand in this Chamber again and tell me that I'm wrong.Clayton Mitchell: You're wrong.Hon MARK MITCHELL: So who was that? Hon Member: That was Clayton Mitchell.Hon MARK MITCHELL: Well Clayton Mitchell from New Zealand First—Clayton Mitchell from New Zealand First a guy that purports to be part of a party that stands up for law and order for justice issues and national security. Stand up and take a call Clayton Mitchell. Stand up and take a call. Actually have you read the bill?Clayton Mitchell: Yeah I have.Hon MARK MITCHELL: Have you read our Supplementary Order Papers? I'll tell you what you should be embarrassed that you are part of a party that's standing and voting for a bill that's been led by the Green Party. I can tell you right now: go out to one of your supporters one of your New Zealand—there's not many now. There's not many I admit that; they're gone. But go out try and find one of your supporters and say "Do you trust the Green Party with our national security?" They'll laugh at you. They'll laugh at you. And that's why your numbers will continue to go down. So I come back to the Minister in the chair the Hon Andrew Little and I'm asking you Minister to stand and take a call and respond to this question as well. If the Commissioner of Police knows that someone is coming back—[Minister in chair changes] Well that's a shame. I don't have much faith in this Minister in the chair the Hon Iain Lees-Galloway. His decision making has already been shown to be very poor around our national security. But I'd ask him anyway. Hon Member: Lets fighters in.Hon MARK MITCHELL: He does but I'd ask him anyway. How is the Commissioner of Police going to ask for a control order to be issued by the High Court of New Zealand when someone arrives at our border that we weren't aware was actually going to arrive until they get to the border? I just want the Minister to stand and tell the committee how the process is going to work as outlined in this paper in Part 2. How is the commissioner going to be able to inform the High Court so the High Court can get a control order in place to be able to pick up someone that arrives at our border when we weren't aware or notified of them?And that happens. That happens around the world all the time. Are we immune to that? Do we have this cloak of invincibility? No we don't. And it could happen to us and we should be making sure that we put in legislation through this House that can deal with it. So if the Minister could stand and take a call and explain to this committee how we're going to pick that person up and how the High Court is going to have time to get a control order in place so they don't walk straight out of that airport and straight into an unsuspecting population and community here at home in New Zealand. The police have been very clear. They've said to this Government the amendment that we put up to allow them to detain at the border—the message to this Government was that would be a welcome tool for them to be able to keep New Zealanders safe. Please take a call Minister."