Utikere TangiTANGI UTIKERE (Labour—Palmerston North): Oh thank you Mr Chair. I think Mr Rutherford was so quick to his feet that he was obviously wanting to make a contribution—James Meager: Yield!TANGI UTIKERE: So—you'd like me to yield? I'm very happy to yield my time to the member for him to make a contribution.Tom Rutherford: I move that debate on this question now close.CHAIRPERSON (Greg O'Connor): No now that's out of order. Now I think the member has been here long enough to know that that is not—when the member yields there is expectation that there'll be some contribution to the debate. The member will stand withdraw and apologise.Tom Rutherford: I withdraw and apologise.TANGI UTIKERE: Thank you Mr Chair. I will resume my time after yielding it to the member. You know isn't that fascinating? There was a real opportunity there to have a contribution from the Government. I don't think we actually have had any opportunity—well no I'll withdraw that; we have had plenty of opportunity for members opposite to make contributions on this. It's very very unfortunate that you know the invitation to yield my time which I was happy to do—and Mr Rutherford decided to head down a different path which is rather unfortunate. But it is becoming symptomatic of how this Government is treating the process of urgency this process where we haven't had an opportunity for members of the public to—Joseph Mooney: Relevance.TANGI UTIKERE: Relevance—well the relevance is that this is a Government that wants to seek to use parliamentary procedure to shut down debate after having a single call. I think that is actually unprecedented. I don't think I've ever experienced—certainly in my time here albeit short—a Minister speak take the very first call on a contribution in committee stage and then the very first call that's allocated is to myself; I barely got under way and then members opposite suggest that they'd like me to yield and then the only thing that they want to say is they want to shut down the debate. I think that is absolutely outrageous.CHAIRPERSON (Greg O'Connor): And the Chair has dealt with that Mr Utikere.TANGI UTIKERE: Yes thank you—thank you Mr Chair.Now the amendment that I have—we're turning now to clause 4 and I guess this is a clause that does bind the Crown. I infer from the Minister of Transport's response to my suggested amendment that's on Amendment Paper 43—seeks to amend clause 4—that he says that it's not necessary because they are already part of the Crown. I think that is what he was referring to—getting a nod of the head there so that's what it is. So I wonder whether that is the case because the Crown entities themselves are identified in the Crown Entities Act and specifically as listed within section 7 and there is a bit of a list there that provides some riders that relate to the meanings of Crown entity and the categories that exist thereof.So my question to the Minister is: has he reached that particular view as to whether they are Crown entities whether they are autonomous Crown entities whether they be independent Crown entities—and there is a distinction and difference between those—based on specific advice? If so where did that advice come from—so that we can effectively understand the position that he's in.