Sio Hon Aupito WilliamAUPITO WILLIAM SIO (Labour—Māngere): Let me firstly thank Alfred Ngaro the Minister in the chair for responding to some of the questions I asked earlier the reason being that I think the Committee recognises that we do have a national housing crisis. But also because he is the Minister for Pacific Peoples I want to take the opportunity to really ask him about what it is that we can do for the Pacific community. In terms of the housing crisis there are two critical things for our people for our communities: one is the low homeownership and the second is the excessive rents which are forcing people into cars and into a homeless situation.That is why I asked about the KiwiSaver HomeStart grant scheme and I hoped the Minister would table the numbers that he referred to. I hope also that the Minister would give a little bit more detail about the kinds of incomes those couples provided because $5000 out of the KiwiSaver to go towards a deposit—and the average home in Auckland which my colleague Michael Wood referred to is $1 million. I will try to give you an example: a two-bedroom do-up for $500000 still requires a $100000 deposit and $5000 is 0.14 percent of that. But the figure of 500 people who have been eligible for the KiwiSaver amounts to 0.0014 of our total population.I want to say to the Minister that I am concerned and I am worried that the homeownership rate for Pacific Islanders has been declining more rapidly in the last 9 years. In fact last year when I spoke to the Pacific Business Trust I asked What's your statistic?". The statistic for Pacific homeownership is 16 percent—this was from the presentation that it gave me. Whilst the Minister has every right to celebrate the millions and millions of dollars that has been allocated in the Budget to address this issue what is unclear to me is a pathway from those millions of dollars to the KiwiSaver grant to a couple whose combined income could be $70000 $80000 or $90000. How do they then buy a house? That is the first point.The second thing is that I asked about the boarding houses and the Minister responded. I asked also about the evictions that Housing New Zealand is doing using meth contamination as a reason to evict people. So where do they go? Where do they go if Housing New Zealand is no longer providing the service that it was set up for—to provide help to those who cannot buy their own house until such time as they can buy a house.In fact Housing New Zealand was set up specifically—we had policies under the Labour Government that said that no more than 25 percent or 30 percent of one's income should go towards the rent. But we know from the reports that have been provided to this House from statisticians and reports from organisations outside that many working families—many working families—are now spending anywhere from 50 percent to 70 percent of their incomes on rent alone. Families cannot sustain that long term. When I asked about it the Minister celebrated the fact that we are getting one—one—Pacific home provider which will provide 21 rooms or 21 beds; I cannot remember.Minister I want to say to you: yes you have every right as the Government with the powers that you have now to celebrate that. But here is the challenge—I know that you know how difficult the situation is out there and our communities cannot be condemned to live in social housing. Our communities cannot be condemned to live in boarding houses. Our communities cannot be condemned to be brushed off to live in garages and cars and to say that that is normal and that is acceptable—it is not Minister. It is not.That is why I think that you now—you have the ranks of power. You have got both of your hands in the pūtea. Show the pathway. How real is it from the millions of dollars that you celebrate in this Budget from KiwiSaver into homeownership and from rental accommodation and support into homeownership because despite all those millions of dollars why do we still have a national housing crisis? Why are there people still increasingly in a homelessness situation? That falls squarely at the doors of this Government and certainly in the front door of your office Minister."