Carter DavidRt Hon DAVID CARTER (National): First of all I want to thank Stuart Smith. He was due to take the next call and I asked whether I could go first because I wanted to respond to the speech that's just been given by the New Zealand First member Mark Patterson. In my mind he summed up the issue very well. He gave the best speech that's been given by any Government member proving to me that he understands the situation. The point he made was that he feels a bit sorry for the situation that the Hon Damien O'Connor has inherited with National Animal Identification and Tracing (NAIT). I agree with Mark Patterson. It is a bit of a mess. We did have the opportunity of having NAIT before the select committee for 30 minutes this morning and the answers given by the chief executive particularly left me with no more assurance that NAIT was working correctly. The real issue for me and why I wanted to be at that select committee presentation this morning was that New Zealand is about to make history with potentially eradicating bovine TB from this country. Who is in charge of that process but Operational Solutions for Primary Industries New Zealand (OSPRI)—the same organisation who's actually in charge of NAIT. And I think what we've learnt as we've gone through this debate over the last effectively 24 hours is that NAIT hasn't been run well by an organisation called OSPRI. And I think there's a lot more work for this Parliament and particularly members of the Primary Production Committee to do to satisfy itself that the NAIT system within OSPRI is working well.So I commend the words of Mark Patterson and I can assure him though I'm not a member of the Primary Production Committee that I have spoken to my colleagues who are members of the Primary Production Committee. They share my concern about the potential breakdown of the progress we're making around TBfree New Zealand and I think that select committee has a significant amount to do and to do quickly particularly in light of the fact that we've now got a new chair of OSPRI. The previous one ran away as soon as the challenges appeared. We've got a chief executive of OSPRI who's about to run away as the challenges have appeared and I implore that select committee to take the opportunity and accept the invitation that was accepted by Barry Harris the new acting chair to get them back before that select committee before Michelle Edge leaves and apparently departs to go to Australia. I implore the select committee to do it.But that's not the only shambles we're dealing with. It's the shambles of the way this legislation has been handled. What a shambolic position for the Leader of the House to be in to come begging to the National Opposition at about 12.45 this afternoon asking it to do a deal so that urgency could be concluded by 1 o'clock. No deal. We're here to test the Government. We were doing our job—and then the way that urgency was broken. The Government has every right to break urgency if it decides it's got another legislative agenda to get through—every right to do so—and I've seen many Ministers and Leaders of the House come in and do so. Never have I seen a cowardly way—the way it was done today—where a piece of paper was given to the presiding officer at the time who at 30 seconds to 1 rose before the House to inform the House that urgency was broken. What a shambles. What a shambles Mr Hipkins. It's not the only time that he's lost control. I wasn't here for the vote for the Speaker but they tell me that was the most exciting vote of all time. Mr Hipkins has got to learn to run the House properly. I know he's a relatively inexperienced member but the shambles of the last 24 hours in this House will be noted by upstairs as the right honourable Prime Minister considers her reshuffle. It will be noticed Mr Hipkins.I want to move now to the issue of the NAIT legislation itself. And as I said in the House it will be with a heavy heart that I finally vote for the third reading. And I say that genuinely because I am worried—the way this bill has been rushed through without due process—about the powers that have been given to our Ministry for Primary Industries (MPI) NAIT officers. I accept particularly the way it was put by Mark Patterson that this legislation needs amending. It's not about fixing drafting errors. And I know that that's the reason the Greens said they were supporting it. Eugenie Sage took a call and I see Gareth Hughes nodding his head. They had been led to believe the only thing we were doing with this legislation was fixing drafting errors. Well that's what the officials tried to tell us as well. But we have a bit more experience. We delved into the issue. The big issue here is aligning the NAIT legislation of 2012 with the search and surveillance legislation of 2012 giving extraordinary powers—they can't be described as anything else—to a NAIT officer. So now when this legislation is passed MPI can come on to my farm unannounced and they can then seize whatever they like—all my vehicles all my records all my computers all my bank statements. They can seize that without giving any reason. The police don't have that power. When the search and surveillance legislation was debated in the House the Greens talked about a complete breach of human rights a breach of civil liberties and yet they've supported this today giving an MPI officer more power than the police.What that means is that if the police suspect they are investigating perhaps a drug importation—a drug dealership—they have to go to the courts and they've got to get a warrant. That's the way it should be. So what the Labour - New Zealand First - Green Government is doing is saying a drug dealer gets more rights than I get because I'm a farmer. How right is that? Look at the body language on the other side of the House. We used to care about civil liberties. The only one who's lifted his head is William Sio who's laughing about it. He thinks it's fun that an MPI officer should have the right on Monday morning to come up my drive on to my farm with his new powers and without even engaging in conversation take my computers take my vehicles take whatever he or she wants—Hon AUPITO William Sio: It's an exaggeration.Rt Hon DAVID CARTER: —because that's the power—sorry?Hon AUPITO William Sio: That's an exaggeration.Rt Hon DAVID CARTER: It's not an exaggeration; that's the point we've been making. For the last 24 hours we've been saying it's not an exaggeration. The police have to go and get a warrant. This is about search powers being given to MPI officers without them having to get a warrant. So Mr Sio I say to you it's not an exaggeration. I heard Mark Patterson say Oh well I accept they'll have those powers; they'll never use them." Mark my words: before too long there'll be a case of a crying farmer on TV ONE or TV3 claiming that the jackboots have arrived on their farm and they've been treated unreasonably.Can I conclude by making comments around the politics of Mycoplasma bovis. We on this side pledged our support to the eradication of Mycoplasma bovis. We on this side of the House offered to take the politics out of the situation. I'm aware that our leader Simon Bridges personally phoned the Prime Minister and said "We don't want politics in this. We want a whole-of-Government approach to the opportunity of ridding this country of Mycoplasma bovis." And what this debate over the last 24 hours has done is actually brought politics back into that response. It didn't have to be like that. If the Leader of the House could only have organised the agenda of this House he could have introduced this last Tuesday. We could have had 24 hours at the select committee being Wednesday and we could be back in the House at this stage meeting exactly the same timetable. That's proper process. And it's that sort of arrogance from this Government that has brought unfortunately politics back into the response. I now pledge that we'll do our best to work with the Government but don't spring this sort of process on us again."