Little AndrewHon ANDREW LITTLE (Minister of Defence): Thank you Madam Chair. I'll take two questions at a time and I think we will be able to get a good coherent discussion on this legislation. So on behalf of the Minister of Justice just responding to Mr Utikere's questions first of all in relation to the power to seize vehicles and the mandatory 28-day seizure: the bill provides for a constable who's been satisfied that particular offences have been committed—and I'll come to those in a minute—and it is mandatory for the police to then arrange the seizure of the particular vehicle. The offences that the bill adds as the basis for that seizure now include dangerous driving reckless driving and careless driving without injury or death. This is because we've seen this increase in pretty poor driving practices often used to intimidate other road users when some of these individuals are together in their vehicles or on their motorbikes. So we needed to both broaden the ability to exercise the seizure power but actually to send a pretty firm message that if you do this and you're caught you're going to lose your vehicle—no ifs buts or maybes.The second question that the member raises is about cash and what constitutes cash. Very helpfully my colleague the Minister of Justice has ensured that there is in the drafting of the bill a definition of cash which draws on other legislation. In fact one has to refer to section 5(1) of the Anti-Money Laundering and Countering Financing of Terrorism Act 2009. And since it's been about 22 months since I've been Minister of Justice and I had all the justice legislation committed to memory I don't have a record of that particular provision except that it adequately defines what money is and it also includes in addition to what's provided for in that legislation gold bars and gold ingots. So these are a source of value obviously and can be used and exchanged as well. It's interesting and I think members might want to—without getting into an academic exercise—compare the definition of cash with the new section 67A provided for in clause 27 of the bill which relates to the prohibition of certain cash transactions. And there there's reference to jewellery watches gold silver and other precious metals. So I think this is a good attempt at making sure instruments and objects of value that can be used to launder are properly captured.The member the Hon Mark Mitchell raises a question about safeguards particularly when it comes to powers of entry to households. The member is of course right—and he is a man of experience in this area who no doubt will have executed a number of search warrants in his time in the police force—that carried out in certain ways this can be a very intimidating exercise. Sometimes the subjects of warrants behave in a way that it's difficult to avoid what might otherwise look like intimidatory sort of activity. But I can say to the member that I'm confident that under the scrutiny that the bill has received the provisions relating to the applications for warrants or searches where judges have to be satisfied of a number of factual grounds before a warrant can be issued and therefore obviously executed are very clear.So looking at the new section 17D which is provided for in clause 20 of the bill makes it very clear about what judges have to consider when they're looking at the content of an application for a warrant. The content is specified in new section 18C also in clause 20. But the issues that the judge has to apprise him or herself of are very clearly laid out in that new section 18D and I'm confident that that requires a number of safeguards. And the final sort of safeguard is if a judge is a little bit concerned a judge can require a warrant report to understand what is being seized under the warrant and how it's been executed. I think that provides a transparency safeguard that we haven't seen before.