Mapp Wayne: Employment Relations Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Mapp Wayne: Employment Relations Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Dr WAYNE MAPP (National—North Shore) 
: 
 I have some very simple questions for the Government and for its puppy New Zealand First. I ask the Government why it hates workers but loves trade unions. That is the difference is it not? The Government hates workers but it will do anything for its trade union mates. New Zealand workers have voted with their feet. Eighty-five percent of New Zealand workers in the private sector have said no to the unions because New Zealand workers hate unions. The Government loves unions. Do members know what unions do? They put their lackeys into Parliament. I am looking at two of them now: Darien Fenton and Sue Moroney. Do members know what Darien Fenton did? She stole workers’ union money to pay for the Labour Party campaign. That is what she did. That is the exposé in  
Investigate 
 magazine. 
I have a question for New Zealand First. Why does New Zealand First hate small businesses? Why has it sold out to the party of the unionists? It is truly appalling. The party that calls itself “New Zealand First” is in fact “trade union first”. It has sold out to the Government. The New Zealand First Party— 
Darien Fenton 
: I raise a point of order Madam Chairperson. I want to raise objection to comments made by the member— 
Dr WAYNE MAPP 
: To what? 
Darien Fenton 
: To the accusations the member has made about— 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: I called a point of order. Will the member please be seated. The member will withdraw and apologise for speaking while that point of order was going on. 
Dr WAYNE MAPP 
: I withdraw and apologise. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: OK that is a final warning. The member has taken offence at the remark made by the member on his feet and I ask him to stand withdraw and apologise. 
Dr WAYNE MAPP 
: Madam Chairperson I surely have to know what the member has taken offence to before I do so. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: I think the member is very clear on what the member said which was— 
Dr WAYNE MAPP 
: She did not actually say. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: The member will please be seated. 
Dr WAYNE MAPP 
: Point of order Madam Chairperson— 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: No I will just ask the member to stand and clarify her point of order. 
Darien Fenton 
: I take offence at the comments made by the member accusing me of taking money from the union to get myself into Parliament. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: The member has taken offence at that. Mr Mapp will stand withdraw and apologise. 
Hon Maurice Williamson 
: Madam Chairperson— 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: The member will please be seated. I have ruled on this— 
Hon Maurice Williamson 
: Point of order— 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: Please be seated Mr Williamson. The member who has the call will withdraw and apologise. I have ruled on the matter. 
Dr WAYNE MAPP 
: I withdraw and apologise. 
Hon Maurice Williamson 
: I raise a point of order Madam Chairperson. First of all I disagree with your excluding me from making this point of order because it was very relevant to the matter. Earlier in the House during question time the Speaker Margaret Wilson made it very clear to a member of the House that members cannot come back some time later and take offence at something. Members should take a point of order at the time something is said and say that they take offence or the matter is gone and the House moves on. The Speaker was very clear on that. She did not allow the retrieval to be made against the statement the Prime Minister made against Don Brash because time had moved on. 
Dr Mapp had quite clearly moved on to a completely new issue. At the time the member raised her point of order Dr Mapp was talking about New Zealand First and its relationship with the trade unions. If Darien Fenton had taken offence then according to Margaret Wilson’s ruling earlier she should have got up at the time of Mr Mapp’s comments and raised a point of order saying so. She did not and I think it is wrong for you Madam Chairperson to allow Darien Fenton to come back some time later and take offence when the Speaker would not allow Don Brash to do the same thing. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: I will make a ruling but will make two points to the member first. The first is that it is the Chairperson’s responsibility to rule on a point of order as he or she sees fit. It is not up to the member to question that. The second is that the point of order was taken during the speech not at a later point. Certainly that is what I have ruled. 
Dr WAYNE MAPP 
: Of course the member Darien Fenton cannot deny that there is an article in  
Investigate 
 magazine that talks about some very nefarious goings on to do with union moneys and Labour Party campaigns—very nefarious goings on indeed. She was a candidate and she managed to arrange money to be spent by the union without the permission of the members on Labour Party campaigns. There is a word for that. Certainly  
Investigate 
 magazine had no hesitation in using it. What disturbs me is this— 
Hon Maurice Williamson 
: If it’s not true she will sue won’t she? 
Dr WAYNE MAPP 
: Maybe she will—but will she? That is the question. 
I have this question for New Zealand First. New Zealand First said that it is not part of the Government. Apparently that is what it said. Most people do not believe that and I am not surprised they do not believe it. But if a party says it is not part of the Government then it does not vote with the Government every damn time; it does not vote for bills it does not even believe in. Time after time we see the spectacle of that party the poodle party voting always with the Government. If members of that party want to know why they are at 2 or 3 percent that is the reason. 
National is opposed to this legislation. We gave New Zealand First the chance to stand up for small business. We gave New Zealand First members that chance and what are they saying? They say they do not care they do not want to support small businesses of New Zealand they do not want to support family businesses and they are going to vote against small businesses in New Zealand. I say to New Zealand First that they are going to be judged by the voters and the electorates in 2 years’ time. The voters will remember when New Zealand First abandoned small businesses when they abandoned New Zealanders and when they abandoned thrift hard work enterprise and innovation. If Peter Brown in his retirement in 2 years’ time wonders why he is spending his time in Mount Maunganui instead of Wellington he will remember this day—the day he voted against New Zealand’s small businesses—and he will say that is why he was retired by the people of New Zealand. 
From time to time parties in this Parliament get choices and those choices are based on their votes. Those votes are measured and counted and remembered by the people of New Zealand. We will say to the people of New Zealand that this was the day New Zealand First abandoned small business abandoned voters abandoned the people of New Zealand and said they were with Labour and the trade unions.