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Vote: Immigration Amendment Bill (No 2) — Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
Vote: Immigration Amendment Bill (No 2) — Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:609;Page:6805] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 69 
Labour 52; Green Party 9; United Future 8. 
Noes 48 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8. 
Motion agreed to.
Brown Peter: Employment Relations Law Reform Bill — In Committee 
Brown Peter: Employment Relations Law Reform Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:620;Page:16136] 
PETER BROWN (Senior Whip—NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I draw your attention to the fact that yesterday debate on all parts of the Holidays Amendment Bill was closed down early by the Chairperson. Indeed when I raised the issue after he had closed down Part 1 that New Zealand First had not had its proportionate amount of calls he told me—and I am certain that he meant well—that we only have to have calls in proportion in the 2-hour debate. I have since looked up the clause in Standing Order 102. I draw your attention to the fact that we have had one call in this debate thus far and we will be seeking plenty. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich) 
: The member’s concerns are noted. I was in the Chair last night and I have to say that members from your party did not seek the call but that is not relevant.
Vote: Films Videos and Publications Classification  Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Films Videos and Publications Classification  Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:623;Page:18654] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That clause 1 be agreed to. 
Ayes 110 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand National 26; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2; Maori Party 1. 
Noes 9 
ACT New Zealand 9. 
Clause 1 agreed to.
Visitors — Republic of Vanuatu—Deputy Prime Minister Minister of Foreign Affairs 
Visitors — Republic of Vanuatu—Deputy Prime Minister Minister of Foreign Affairs 
[Volume:625;Page:20037] 
Sitting suspended from 1 p.m. to 2 p.m. 
Visitors 
Republic of Vanuatu—Deputy Prime Minister Minister of Foreign Affairs 
Madam SPEAKER 
: I have much pleasure in informing members that His Excellency Mr Sato Kilman Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs from the Republic of Vanuatu is within the precincts of this Chamber. I am sure that members would wish he be welcomed and accorded a seat to the left. I am sure that members would also like to welcome members of his delegation who are present in the gallery. 
His Excellency Mr Sato Kilman accompanied by the Associate Minister of Pacific Island Affairs entered the Chamber and took a seat on the left of the Chair.
Prebble Richard: Members of Parliament (Pecuniary Interests) Bill — First Reading 
Prebble Richard: Members of Parliament (Pecuniary Interests) Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:612;Page:9270] 
Hon RICHARD PREBBLE (Leader—ACT) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I wonder whether the House could have some guidance from you about this bill and Standing Order 166 whereby a member must before participating in the consideration of any item of business declare any pecuniary interest thatthe member has in that business. As I do have interests in most of the categories mentioned in this bill I would like a ruling from you as to whether members who have already participated under this bill should have declared those interests. I am quite willing to do so if that is what the Standing Order requires.
Peters Winston: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
Peters Winston: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
[Volume:618;Page:14316] 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 Madam Chairperson you called the vote. You are required to determine where lies the majority. If only one person in a House with 120 members raises his or her voice that person is the majority. The rest are taken to be in agreement or to have abstained. 
Hon Ken Shirley 
: Silence is compliance. 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS 
: Yes come on. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: I thank the member. No the result is not declared on the voices. It is up to me to declare the result.
Peters Winston: Urgent Debates Declined — Government Transport Package Foreshore and Seabed Human Rights Review Tribunal Decision Points of Order 
Peters Winston: Urgent Debates Declined — Government Transport Package Foreshore and Seabed Human Rights Review Tribunal Decision Points of Order 
[Volume:614;Page:10722] 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. In view of your ruling on Mr Prebble’s second request for an urgent debate and in view of comments you made earlier today in question time could I ask why you have intimated that this is the last sitting day of the House? In looking at the Order Paper I can see no reason why if fair debate happens on all these issues we would be through these debates by 10 p.m. tonight. That being the case I ask who has given it to be known that this is the last sitting day and does that mean that we will have proper debate—fully argued in this House—proscribed because of a desire on the part of someone to go home to mum? 
Mr SPEAKER 
: For a start I say that I have not made that comment myself from the Chair at all— 
Rt Hon Winston Peters 
: You did. 
Mr SPEAKER 
:—when I was giving that ruling. Secondly as far as I am concerned I say that I was at the Business Committee last Tuesday and all parties were represented when that point was made by the Leader of the House the Hon Dr Michael Cullen. Whether that is the case will depend on how we proceed today but there is no certainty about anything.
Vote: Electoral (Vacancies) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
Vote: Electoral (Vacancies) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:610;Page:7751] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the motion be agreed to. 
Ayes 69 
Labour 50; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 48 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8. 
Abstentions 1 
Hunt. 
Motion agreed to.
Hide Rodney: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Hide Rodney: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:621;Page:16228] 
RODNEY HIDE (Leader—ACT) 
: 
 I seek the leave of the House to table the Waipareira Trust’s expenditure on Mr John Tamihere’s election campaign including payment for a speeding ticket he got when racing to a meeting. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to table that document. Is there any objection? There is. 
RODNEY HIDE 
: I seek the leave of the House to table Mr John Tamihere’s electoral return which makes no mention of the expenditures that the Waipareira Trust made on his behalf. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to table that return. Is there any objection? There is.
Locke Keith: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Locke Keith: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:624;Page:19109] 
KEITH LOCKE (Green) 
: 
 I seek leave to table a news clipping from the  
Dominion Post 
 in which Sergeant Nelson from the Counties-Manukau Police District says that the practices referred to are widespread in police stations throughout New Zealand. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to table that document. Is there any objection? There is. It will not be tabled.
Donald Rod: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Donald Rod: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:624;Page:19565] 
ROD DONALD (Co-Leader—Green) 
: 
 I submitted the question to the responsible Minister fully expecting it to go to the Minister of Finance. I seek leave for this question to go to the Minister of Finance. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought. Is there any objection? There is.
Stewart Barbara: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Stewart Barbara: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:621;Page:16889] 
9.  
BARBARA STEWART (NZ First) 
 to the  
Minister of Health 
: Is it her policy to ensure that those contracted by the Ministry of Health to provide services are audited to guarantee health funding is used appropriately? 
Hon ANNETTE KING (Minister of Health) 
: 
 Yes. A number of processes are in place to ensure that funding for services contracted by the Ministry of Health is used in an appropriate manner. Those processes endeavour to minimise the risk of funds being used inappropriately. It is important to balance the need for accountability with the desire not to tie up providers with bureaucracy. 
Barbara Stewart 
: Was the Minister advised about the alleged corruption occurring within the non-profit organisation Supported Individualised Lifestyle Choices by her colleagues Mark Burton MP for Taupo and Ruth Dyson who is the Associate Minister of Health and the Minister for Disability Issues and from within her own ministry; if not how can she be sure that auditing is appropriate; if so why has she done nothing about it? 
Hon ANNETTE KING 
: No I do not believe I am aware of that. However I am aware that the Ministry of Health has many processes in place in terms of audit. Many non-governmental organisations I believe are audited far more than other sectors. However that is not to say there will not be a bad apple in the barrel. We try to find them and stop any bad behaviour. 
Barbara Stewart 
: Why is the Minister not taking seriously the ability for some unscrupulous individuals to easily exploit her auditing enforcement on contracted services and is it not a fact that the moratorium on not allowing families to control their own care packages in New Zealand contravenes the rights of handicapped people and their families; if not why not? 
Hon ANNETTE KING 
: The two questions are totally unrelated. In relation to the second one if we are talking about the ability to pervert contracts and so on I am sure there are individuals who would pervert contracts just as easily as non-governmental organisations would. We try to ensure there are as few as possible. However they are not related just to the non-governmental sector. For example at the moment there are two private businesses that have attempted to rip off the taxpayers of New Zealand by falsely claiming pharmaceuticals. 
Barbara Stewart 
: Is the Minister confident that the appropriate auditing measures have been applied to Supported Individualised Lifestyle Choices set up in Taupo to provide care for the intellectually handicapped; why are there people who are still convinced that it was set up as a money-laundering scheme and why has her ministry done nothing about this? 
Hon ANNETTE KING 
: I cannot answer that question in the House today. I am not aware of it but I will undertake to find out the information for the member and provide it to her.
Robertson H V Ross: Misuse of Drugs Amendment Bill (No 3) — Referral of S.O.P. 298 to Health Committee 
Robertson H V Ross: Misuse of Drugs Amendment Bill (No 3) — Referral of S.O.P. 298 to Health Committee 
[Volume:621;Page:16816] 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: By way of assistance to the House I refer those taking part in this debate to Speaker’s ruling 43/6. Briefly it means that debate is limited to whether the Supplementary Order Paper should be referred to the Health Committee.
Yates Dianne: Human Assisted Reproductive Technology Bill — In Committee Procedure 
Yates Dianne: Human Assisted Reproductive Technology Bill — In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:621;Page:16366] 
DIANNE YATES (Labour—Hamilton East) 
: 
 I seek leave for the House to proceed directly to the third reading of the Human Assisted Reproductive Technology Bill. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: The member has sought leave. Is there any objection to that course of action being taken? There is objection.
Robertson H V Ross: Fisheries Amendment Bill (No 3) — In Committee 
Robertson H V Ross: Fisheries Amendment Bill (No 3) — In Committee 
[Volume:619;Page:15201] 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Part 3 is not being debated. It is being held over to form the Fisheries Amendment Bill (No 4) so it is not in the part we are debating at the present time.
Peck Mark: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Peck Mark: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:610;Page:7296] 
4.  
MARK PECK (NZ Labour—Invercargill) 
 to the  
Minister of Commerce 
: What are the key features of the decisions that have been made as a result of the review of the securities trading law? 
Hon LIANNE DALZIEL (Minister of Commerce) 
: 
 The key features are strengthening the law relating to insider trading introducing comprehensive prohibitions on market manipulation increasing the range and size of penalties and remedies available for breaches of securities trading law and strengthening the law relating to investment adviser disclosure. 
Mark Peck 
: How does the proposed insider-trading regime strike the right balance between preventing behaviour that is damaging to the market on the one hand but still allowing the market to work efficiently on the other? 
Hon LIANNE DALZIEL 
: The new regime is broad enough to catch the type of behaviour that the public believes is insider trading by expanding the definition of “insider” beyond those who have a fiduciary duty to the company. However a number of exemptions to the regime have been implemented to ensure that behaviour that is necessary for market efficiency is still allowed to occur. They include among others exemptions for research and analysis takeovers underwriters Chinese walls within companies and transactions where the counter party to the transaction knows of the inside information. 
John Key 
: Speaking of insider training and market manipulation does the Minister intend to run training courses in the new legislation for Cabinet given the Prime Minister’s love of share tipping and the Minister of Finance’s likely breach of insider-trading rules in constructing the Toll Holdings deal; if not why not? 
Hon LIANNE DALZIEL 
: I do not believe that the member heard my answer to the first supplementary question in which I stated that there would be an explicit exemption in the rules for research and analysis particularly in the area of takeovers.
Donald Rod: Taxation (Annual Rates Venture Capital and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill — In Committee 
Donald Rod: Taxation (Annual Rates Venture Capital and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:621;Page:16583] 
ROD DONALD (Musterer—Green) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. Could you clarify which one is Supplementary Order Paper 287? Is that the amendment to have a split vote or is that the Minister’s amendment? 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich) 
: This is the amendment that has been on the Table all evening. It is the Minister’s substantive amendment not the amendment to have a split vote.
Robertson H V Ross: Crown Minerals Amendment Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Robertson H V Ross: Crown Minerals Amendment Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:610;Page:7617] 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Before I call the next speaker who will be the honourable member Pansy Wong I just remind members of Speaker’s ruling 90/1 which is in the name of Speaker Gray and Deputy Speaker Braybrooke which states that “the debate on the title clause in committee is limited strictly to the elements of that clause and any amendments proposed to it.”
Roy Heather: Holidays Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Roy Heather: Holidays Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:620;Page:16053] 
HEATHER ROY (ACT) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I might add honourable members that the closure is not debatable. The Chair is the sole judge under Speaker’s ruling 58/8. However I am prepared to hear the honourable member. 
HEATHER ROY 
: I reiterate the points raised by the National Party. I came to the Chamber at 7.30 to debate Part 2 which I believe has far-reaching effects on the health sector. As ACT’s spokesperson on health I was certainly hoping to have the opportunity to debate some of the points that relate specifically to the health sector. I do not believe that anybody has raised those issues in this part. I came to the Chamber specifically at 7.30 to do that and stood every time the call was to be taken. I have not been given the opportunity to speak. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Can I say again that I have already ruled on this. The Chair is the sole judge and I refer members to Standing Orders 137(3) and 138. I shall move on.
Vote: Health Practitioners Competence Assurance Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Health Practitioners Competence Assurance Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:611;Page:8174] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 47 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 7. 
Noes 68 
Labour 52; Green Party 8; United Future 8. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 118 in the name of the Hon Annette King to Part 8 be agreed to. 
Amendments agreed to and Part 8 as amended agreed to.
Adams Paul: Copyright (Parallel Importation of Films and Onus of Proof) Amendment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Third Reading 
Adams Paul: Copyright (Parallel Importation of Films and Onus of Proof) Amendment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:612;Page:9403] 
PAUL ADAMS (United Future) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I believe that the Hon Tony Ryall has mischievously misled the Committee about United Future’s position on the Care of Children Bill. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: That is a debating point.
Vote: New Zealand Council of Law Reporting Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Vote: New Zealand Council of Law Reporting Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:625;Page:20632] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the New Zealand Council of Law Reporting Amendment Bill be now read a first time.  
Ayes 111 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2; Maori Party 1. 
Noes 9 
ACT New Zealand 9. 
Bill read a first time.
Speaker’s Statements — Reply to Written Questions 
Speaker’s Statements — Reply to Written Questions 
[Volume:606;Page:3473] 
Tuesday 18 February 2003 
Mr Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Prayers 
. 
Speaker’s Statements 
Reply to Written Questions 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Honourable members on 12 February 2003 the Hon Nick Smith raised a point of order regarding the release by the office of the Minister of Education of a reply to a written question before the reply was given to the member. I have received an explanation from the Minister and it is apparent that this was done inadvertently by the Minister’s office and an apology was tendered to the member for this. I confirm that a copy of a reply should not be released until it has been sent to the member. I am satisfied that this was not done deliberately in this case and that no further action should follow given the apology from the Minister’s office. I thank the member for drawing this to my attention.
Sowry Roger: Te Runanga o Ngati Awa Bill — Procedure In Committee 
Sowry Roger: Te Runanga o Ngati Awa Bill — Procedure In Committee 
[Volume:623;Page:18919] 
Hon ROGER SOWRY (National) 
: 
 I now find myself in the situation having sat downexpecting that the Minister would have answered the question— 
Hon Mita Ririnui 
: You hope! 
Hon ROGER SOWRY 
: He says I am hoping—obviously he is not going to. The issue that I have is whether it is appropriate for this Committee to proceed in this way or whether it is appropriate for the Speaker to give a ruling as to whether the Committee is entitled to know whether we have two texts written separately or a translation of one to the other and if we have it from one to the other which one it is. I again appeal to the Minister. He clearly knows. My appeal to the Minister is to stand and tell the Committee what exactly happened.
Robertson H V Ross: Health (National Cervical Screening Programme) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Robertson H V Ross: Health (National Cervical Screening Programme) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:615;Page:11341] 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: The result has already been declared. I called it and I heard nothing else. 
Bill reported with amendment.
Cunliffe David: Courts and Criminal Matters Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Cunliffe David: Courts and Criminal Matters Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:626;Page:21727] 
Hon DAVID CUNLIFFE (Minister of Communications) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Robertson H V Ross: Resource Management and Electricity Legislation Amendment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Robertson H V Ross: Resource Management and Electricity Legislation Amendment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:627;Page:22321] 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I just say to members that the House has resolved to allow the bill to proceed despite Standing Order 259 and the Government gave notice of a motion to gain the House’s authority for the bill to proceed. The House resolved accordingly and it was done on 1 December 2004. I have the notice here and the member is quite welcome to look at it here on the Table.
King Annette: Health Practitioners Competence Assurance Bill — In Committee 
King Annette: Health Practitioners Competence Assurance Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:611;Page:8137] 
Hon ANNETTE KING (Minister of Health) 
: 
 Can I first of all say that I agree with the member who has just spoken in terms of her comments on this part but I say to her that professional self-regulation with responsibility towards the public is the Government’s aim and I think this part certainly encompasses that. 
The point the member made regarding all complaints going to the Office of the Health and Disability Commissioner came out of the Cull inquiry. John Carter would be interested because the inquiry arose out of the Parry case involving Colleen Poutsma and the need to ensure that there was one place where complaints could go. There was something like 14 complaints running against Dr Parry and many of those organisations that had complaints laid before them did not know that other organisations also had complaints. So I think what has been put in place here is very sensible. 
I really wanted only a short call to answer Georgina te Heuheu regarding the appointments to the Health Practitioners Disciplinary Tribunal and to tell her that Part 4 is exactly the same as what is in the Medical Practitioners Act. In other words the members are appointed by the chairperson of the tribunal from a panel maintained by the Minister. When the member was a Minister she was probably one of those who were responsible for this part. None of the tribunal members are elected under the Act and obviously the majority of them are health practitioners. This also applies to the questions asked last night by the member for Whangarei. I want to assure those members that this part is a transfer from the Medical Practitioners Act to the new Health Practitioners Competence Assurance Act.
Barker Rick: Courts and Criminal Matters Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Barker Rick: Courts and Criminal Matters Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:626;Page:21686] 
Hon RICK BARKER (Minister for Courts) 
: 
 I move  
That it be an instruction to the Committee of the whole House on the Courts and Criminal Matters Bill that it take the bill part by part.
Hunt Jonathan: Civil Union Bill — Procedure Third Reading 
Hunt Jonathan: Civil Union Bill — Procedure Third Reading 
[Volume:622;Page:17639] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: It was while I was in the Chair. I will be applying it in this debate and asking the other officers of Parliament also to apply it while they are in the Chair.
Vote: Care of Children Bill Status of Children Amendment Bill — Third Readings 
Vote: Care of Children Bill Status of Children Amendment Bill — Third Readings 
[Volume:621;Page:16731] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Care of Children Bill be now read a third time 
. 
Ayes 62 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; Progressive 2. 
Noes 58 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 8; Maori Party 1; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Bill read a third time.
Vote: Local Government (Rating Cap) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Vote: Local Government (Rating Cap) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:617;Page:12692] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Local Government (Rating Cap) Amendment Bill be now read a first time. 
Ayes 49 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Noes 71 
New Zealand Labour 52; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Motion not agreed to.
Simich Clem: Foreshore and Seabed Bill — In Committee Procedure 
Simich Clem: Foreshore and Seabed Bill — In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:621;Page:17145] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich) 
: There will be one debate on clauses 1 and 2 but each clause will be voted on separately.
Vote: Local Government (Auckland) Amendment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Vote: Local Government (Auckland) Amendment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:618;Page:14040] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 83 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 36 
New Zealand National 27; ACT New Zealand 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Amendments agreed to.
Hide Rodney: Obituaries — Pope John Paul II 
Hide Rodney: Obituaries — Pope John Paul II 
[Volume:624;Page:19549] 
RODNEY HIDE (Leader—ACT) 
: 
 On behalf of the ACT party I rise to support the motion. We have witnessed the passing of a truly great man. His Holiness John Paul II reached out right around the world to Catholics and to non-Catholics alike. He was the best-known pope and the most travelled pope. He was a man who knew hardship and the brutality that tyrannical regimes can inflict. He suffered as a forced labourer under the brutal Nazi occupation of Poland and then for 45 years under the tyranny of communist rule in Poland. On becoming Pope his moral leadership for Catholics and non-Catholics alike saw him stand firm against the tyrannical communist regimes. As Dr Don Brash pointed out Mikhail Gorbachev said that it was John Paul II who saw the Iron Curtain come down. He was a man too who worked hard and ceaselessly for the reconciliation of Christian people with the Jewish people. We have lost a great man and we should be sad about that loss but we should live and rejoice for a life truly well lived and for his huge contribution to the world.
Hunt Jonathan: Foreshore and Seabed Bill — First Reading 
Hunt Jonathan: Foreshore and Seabed Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:617;Page:12741] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I call Mahara Okeroa. This is also a split speech.
Carter Chris: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members Questions to Ministers 
Carter Chris: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:618;Page:14468] 
Hon CHRIS CARTER (Minister of Local Government) 
: 
 I seek leave to table a document from the  
Waikato Times  
relating to question No. 1 today and the credibility of my statement regarding the National Party’s position on the question of regional councils. This article states: “Asked for his thoughts on the future of regional councils Dr Brash said that this was an issue which needed looking at.” That is the  
Waikato Times  
of 23 July. 
Document by leave laid on the Table of the House.
Burton Mark: Human Assisted Reproductive Technology Bill — In Committee Procedure 
Burton Mark: Human Assisted Reproductive Technology Bill — In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:621;Page:16348] 
Hon MARK BURTON (Deputy Leader of the House) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Chairperson. I regret taking another call but I think the matter cannot be left with uncertainty. I think it is incumbent on all of us not to add to the confusion of members of the public who are listening. I am sure that is what is being done. I tell Mr Brown that we need to be very careful about that. The voting system is as it has been for a considerable period of time and I repeat every time a party vote is less than its full entitlement the question as to who is voting which way could arise in the mind of anyone listening if he or she thought about it. 
Now I do not know about the member but I am regularly asked my views on things by people and I give them my views. If they ask me how I voted I tell them how I voted. In the end that is our individual and collective accountability. But I think it is important that we do not leave and add to the confusion that people may be feeling. If there is a question—and there is because it has been raised here—I urge the member because he has taken it seriously to put it down on paper and make a submission to the Standing Orders Committee. Clearly the Chair has indicated she will raise it with the Speaker as well and I think that is fair and proper. I think we should all give careful consideration to the matter but not add fuel to the fire of confusion by perhaps getting into any more speculation on what people may or may not be thinking.
Chadwick Steve: Injury Prevention Rehabilitation and Compensation Amendment Bill (No 3) — In Committee 
Chadwick Steve: Injury Prevention Rehabilitation and Compensation Amendment Bill (No 3) — In Committee 
[Volume:625;Page:20279] 
STEVE CHADWICK (Labour—Rotorua) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
. 
Motion agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Pansy Wong to clause 3 be agreed to: 
to insert after paragraph (b) of the definition of  
acupuncturist 
 the following new paragraph: 
(c)a member of any other entity that ACC or a duly delegated authority approves after due process subject to the Minister’s final approval.
Brownlee Gerry: Naming and Suspension of Member 
Brownlee Gerry: Naming and Suspension of Member 
[Volume:609;Page:6635] 
GERRY BROWNLEE (NZ National—Ilam) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. On behalf of the National Opposition at least I express our disappointment at the activity that has just taken place particularly the quite quick decision to expel Mr Hide from the House. Today we have seen the Minister of Finance the acting Prime Minister stand in this House and be required to withdraw and apologise on three occasions. I think that lends some weight to the argument that the Opposition has a right to be frustrated. Although we can pick up newspapers— 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The member had better make his point tersely as required by the Standing Order. 
GERRY BROWNLEE 
: I am. Although we can pick up newspapers listen to the radio and watch television and see and hear contradictory positions from the Government on the issue relating to the foreshore and seabed we cannot come into this House and get a clear answer. We will not be asking any further questions on this matter today; we will revisit it at another time. But I tend to agree with Mr Hide: it is a bit of a waste of time.
Vote: Resource Management (Aquaculture Moratorium Extension) Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Vote: Resource Management (Aquaculture Moratorium Extension) Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:616;Page:11655] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 36 
New Zealand National 27; ACT New Zealand 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Noes 84 
New Zealand Labour 52; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Phil Heatley to clause 2 be agreed to: 
to omit the words “date on which it receives the Royal assent” and substitute the words “date a bill ensuring Crown ownership of the seabed and foreshore has received Royal assent”.
Gallagher Martin: Customs and Excise (Alcoholic Beverages) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
Gallagher Martin: Customs and Excise (Alcoholic Beverages) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:608;Page:5382] 
MARTIN GALLAGHER (NZ Labour—Hamilton West) 
: 
 I rise to support the second reading of this bill. Let me strongly commend the speech made by Judy Turner. It was an excellent contribution. I am happy to support the bill.
Sowry Roger: Resource Management Amendment Bill (No 2) — In Committee 
Sowry Roger: Resource Management Amendment Bill (No 2) — In Committee 
[Volume:608;Page:5574] 
Hon ROGER SOWRY (Deputy Leader—NZ National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I am starting to worry about the advice you have been given. You had clearly called “ The Ayes have it.” The issue is when is a vote finished. If your adviser is telling you that that is not the finish of the vote then I think that is wrong. You had actually started your next sentence. I do not know what your adviser is going to say about when a vote is finished or not but certainly members of this Committee need to know when a vote is finished. It is usually finished when it is declared. The point I am making is that if you declared it wrongly then it is appropriate that you seek leave to re-put the vote. We are trying to help you here. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I appreciate that. I realise that.
Urgent Debates Declined — Electricity—State of Industry Power Station—Huntly 
Urgent Debates Declined — Electricity—State of Industry Power Station—Huntly 
[Volume:619;Page:14944] 
Urgent Debates Declined 
Electricity—State of Industry 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I have received a letter from Peter Brown seeking an urgent debate on the “state of our electricity industry”. This is clearly not a particular case of recent occurrence and cannot give grounds for a debate. In his letter the member refers to a recent report by an electricity industry consultant but has provided no authenticating material in respect of it. In these circumstances the application for a debate is rejected. 
Power Station—Huntly 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I have also received a letter from the Hon Ken Shirley seeking to debate under Standing Order 373 the Government’s commitment to underwriting part of the power station to be built at Huntly. This is a particular case of recent occurrence involving ministerial responsibility. However I do not consider that the announcement requires to be considered by way of an urgent debate. There will be many parliamentary opportunities to consider a long-term commitment of that nature—not least the 3-hour imprest supply debate today. This application is also declined.
Brownlee Gerry: Business Statement 
Brownlee Gerry: Business Statement 
[Volume:617;Page:12702] 
GERRY BROWNLEE (Deputy Leader—National) 
: 
 I wonder whether the Leader of the House might be able to give us some indication of what has happened to the Civil Union Bill and when we might expect that bill to see the light of day in the House.
Hunt Jonathan: Supreme Court Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Hunt Jonathan: Supreme Court Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:612;Page:8997] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The member will not have to do that because as one of the most able members in this House he is well able to use his vocabulary and language so that he does not have to. The fact that he is able to speak demonstrates that the ruling is not restrictive. But I say to members that I have ruled that term out and that term is ruled out. If I am called back again I will be tempted to ask people to leave the Chamber. I have made a ruling and that is it.
Dalziel Lianne: Oaths Modernisation Bill — First Reading 
Dalziel Lianne: Oaths Modernisation Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:625;Page:20653] 
LIANNE DALZIEL (Labour—Christchurch East) 
: 
 I want to take a very brief call to congratulate my colleague the Hon Phil Goff on introducing legislation that I think is overdue in many respects but it is welcome indeed and it will be welcomed by people who make submissions on it at the select committee. 
I wrote to the Prime Minister about this subject a few years ago because I had visited Australia and had seen the Australian oath on the wall. In fact new Australians take a pledge of commitment now and I want to read to the House the pledge of commitment that they take when they are becoming citizens: “From this time forward under God I pledge my loyalty to Australia and its people whose democratic beliefs I share whose rights and liberties I respect and whose laws I will uphold and obey.” I asked the Prime Minister to compare that with the existing oath and Phil Goff has managed to combine the existing oath with modernised words that mean something to people who are becoming new citizens of this country. 
I congratulate that Minister on finding the balance that most ordinary New Zealanders are looking for. They are looking for a reflection of the old oath that maintains that commitment and allegiance to the Queen. The bill maintains those aspects and retains the element of making reference to God obviously if one is swearing the oath. It maintains all the elements of the old oath but in addition it modernises it and brings it up to date. I congratulate the Minister on a job well done and I look forward to being on the select committee that reviews the detailed submissions I am sure we will receive.
Robertson H V Ross: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Robertson H V Ross: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:627;Page:21839] 
10.  
H V ROSS ROBERTSON (Labour—Manukau East) 
 to the  
Minister of Education 
: What reports if any has he received on possible changes to the Government policy of providing 20 hours’ free early childhood education per week for 3 and 4-year-olds? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Minister of Education) 
: 
 I have seen a report suggesting that giving 20 hours per week of free early childhood education in teacher-led community-based centres does not make sense is not supported by parents and should be abolished. That was from Bill English. 
H V Ross Robertson 
: Has he seen any suggestions of alternative approaches to funding early childhood education? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: Yes. I have seen a suggestion that all centres public or private should receive funding for 10 hours per week of free early childhood education for 3 and 4-year-olds. That would of course mean substantial fees for those children attending morning kindergartens—free kindergartens—thus destroying an iconic service. That suggestion came from Dr Brash.
Imprest Supply (Second for 2003/04) Bill — First Reading 
Imprest Supply (Second for 2003/04) Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:610;Page:7667] 
Imprest Supply (Second for 2003/04) Bill 
First Reading 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Minister of Finance) 
: 
 I move  
That the Imprest Supply (Second for 2003/04) Bill be now read a first time. 
Bill read a first time.
Vote: Maori Fisheries Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Maori Fisheries Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:620;Page:15620] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 4 as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 101 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 12; United Future 8; Progressive 2; Maori Party 1. 
Noes 17 
Green Party 9; ACT New Zealand 8. 
Part 4 as amended agreed to.
Prebble Richard: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members Questions to Ministers 
Prebble Richard: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:615;Page:11506] 
Hon RICHARD PREBBLE (Leader—ACT) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. We must object to that. The member by implication is saying that he is correct to criticise the judiciary. He most certainly cannot use the House to do that. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The member is seeking leave. Any member can object. Objection is raised.
Beyer Georgina: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Beyer Georgina: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:611;Page:8032] 
5.  
GEORGINA BEYER (NZ Labour—Wairarapa) 
 to the  
Minister of Housing 
: What initiatives is the Government taking to promote stable tenancies? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY (Minister of Housing) 
: 
 I announced a package of measures to assist landlords and tenants at the New Zealand Property Investors Federation conference on Saturday. The package includes improved support for tenancy tribunal judgment creditors who are having difficulty locating a debtor more practical assistance for Work and Income clients who are at risk of losing a tenancy development of better access to tenancy tribunal public records and information seminars for landlords to spread best practice. It is a balanced package aimed at assisting both good tenants and good landlords. 
Georgina Beyer 
: What will be the benefits of those initiatives? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY 
: I think the benefits from the changes are clear: tenants will be less likely to lose their home through eviction and landlords will be less likely to miss out on recovering money that the tenancy tribunal has ordered a tenant to pay. Overall the relationship between tenants and landlords should be more balanced and enhanced by the measures that were announced on Saturday. 
Sue Bradford 
: What consultation if any did the Government undertake with tenants protection civil liberties and beneficiary advocacy groups in the development of the latest legislation on residential tenancies and will such groups have any further opportunity at all to have an input into those substantial changes? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY 
: There was a good deal of consultation which is why a number of tenancy agencies came out in support of the changes over the weekend. They will continue to be involved in discussions. 
Marc Alexander 
: Will the ability for courts to use Government-held address information to trace tenancy tribunal order debtors be extended beyond the Ministry of Social Development to include departments like the Inland Revenue Department in recognition of the fact that not all recalcitrant tenants are beneficiaries? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY 
: Yes. We are ensuring that databases apart from the Ministry of Social Development can be used but not the Inland Revenue Department. 
Marc Alexander 
: In the light of the move to ensure that tenants are not evicted by covering their rent arrears through Work and Income is the Minister concerned that although this should ensure the landlord gets paid it does not make such tenants any more responsible for their actions when the taxpayer always picks up the tab; if not why not? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY 
: One of the problems we have is with bad landlords and bad tenants. There is a problem on both sides of the equation and the member can tell from my answers so far that this Government is determined to get a balanced relationship between both partners so that they can have a good stable tenancy.
Motions — Speaker—No Confidence 
Motions — Speaker—No Confidence 
[Volume:620;Page:15735] 
Motions 
Speaker—No Confidence 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 I seek the leave of the House to move without notice a motion of no confidence in the Speaker and to ask that he vacate the Chair whilst we discuss a number of unfortunate events that have occurred in the House recently in which Ministers have elected to frustrate members seeking answers to questions during question time and the Speaker has shown a willingness to allow that to happen—when necessary by the unjustified removal of members from the House in order to further shut down a line of questioning. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought. Is there any objection? There is.
Smith Nick: General Debates 
Smith Nick: General Debates 
[Volume:609;Page:6569] 
Hon Dr NICK SMITH (NZ National—Nelson) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. During the excellent speech from my colleague Gerry Brownlee the Minister of Education saw fit to repeat over and over again the words “Tory scumbags” and all sorts of other abuse. I want to have some reassurance from you as the Deputy Speaker—and you sat there with a big smile on your face—that you think that is appropriate conduct within the House noting that you were on a select committee when I used language far less robust than that and you and the Minister insisted on my being kicked out.
Beyer Georgina: Prostitution Reform Bill — In Committee 
Beyer Georgina: Prostitution Reform Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:609;Page:6175] 
GEORGINA BEYER (NZ Labour—Wairarapa) 
: 
 I seek leave to table three documents. The first document is the  
Preliminary Report: New Zealand Prostitution 
 published by Dr Melissa Farley and the second is the  
Prostitution Questionnaire New Zealand 
 also by Dr Melissa Farley. The third document is a letter of 10 June from Colleen Winn raising concerns about the research. 
Documents by leave laid on the Table of the House.