Logie JanJAN LOGIE (Green): Thank you Mr Chair. Just a short call to speak to the point about moving the abatement rate for veterans' support into regulation and how happy we are to see that and this policy work in general. This is an area that has been long neglected. The initial intent of this was to enable beneficiaries to really help people to transition into full-time employment through part-time employment so that if they were parents and actually that didn't work for their children for them to be in full-time employment they could get that additional financial benefit from those added hours of work or if they were a person with an illness or a disability—and I suspect many veterans may be in that situation—where actually full-time work is not possible for them while maintaining their health. So we want people to get the value of the work that they do and it's appropriate for that to sit on top of the benefit that they get.I think it's also important to recognise too that this sits within the context of the needs of people within our community and how many people veterans and others alike have mental health challenges and disabilities and caregiving responsibilities—so how important these provisions are for so many New Zealanders.It also sits in the context of the structure of our labour market because actually New Zealand has very precarious employment conditions for many New Zealanders. I think that's been evident by in part—this links to and the abatement discussion does as well—the discussion we've been hearing from the Opposition about the need for people to be in paid work and this being the solution to poverty. They typically are talking full-time work when that's the discussion and how you need to be growing the economy to do that. But I was looking at a Salvation Army submission from 2016 where they were noting that since 2010 the economy had grown by 16 percent while the number of jobs had risen by about 11 percent yet the number of people on the margins of the labour market without work with unreliable work or with short hours remained at a constant of 10 percent of the working-age population—of around 350000 to 370000 people. So that's actually a signal to us that this is built into the very structure of our economy. When we hear the Opposition quite often talking about the need for flexibility for employers actually they're arguing for precariousness of employment for working people in this country. This is built in.It's going to take us time. This Government has it on the agenda to deal with that underlying structure of our labour market to give people more security but in the meantime we need to make sure that we're not penalising people for the situations that they find themselves in—whether that be out of work altogether or whether that be in precarious work or limited hours of work. The abatement rate is essential in that and so we support the increase of that and like it being in regulation because we're hoping to see what's been signalled already by this Government—an increase of $5 more a week each year until 2023.The Greens hope that because it's in regulation we're going to speed that up even more so that actually it's not just keeping up with the changes to the minimum wage but enabling the initial intent when it was first set of how many hours people would get up to that point so that we actually recognise we want people to get value from their paid work. I remember a woman who told me that she worked for two years for nothing because she didn't want to let her employer down but she was better off on the benefit—that's got to change.