Martin TraceyHon TRACEY MARTIN (Minister for Children): Thank you Madam Chair. Just in response to some of the questions that have been posed first of all with regard to rural areas can I assure the member that we have some of our community remand homes in extremely rural areas at the moment—I'm thinking particularly of Taupō and not in central Taupō; out in the outskirts of Taupō. One of the things that we want to do with regard to these remand facilities is actually make sure that we keep the young people who are able to be in community remand homes—and this is really an important point: who are able to be in community remand homes—as close as possible to their communities because that's just been one of the downstream markers of failure when we uplift them and take them away.But I do want to assure the member as I did this morning that there is a process of triage. I want to assure the public that there is a process of triage around these young people. We do not place young people who are a danger to themselves or a danger to others in a community remand home. We have had young people over the last year inside these pilot homes a number of them throughout New Zealand and the fact that very few people know about them means that the staff-to-young-person ratio and the highly trained individuals that are there from Oranga Tamariki and the youth justice perspective have actually meant and the triage process has meant that that has worked.Just with regard to the separation of age I would only suggest to the member—and it's a danger that we fall into when we think about young people in Oranga Tamariki's care and in the youth justice system that we make some assumptions about them. In my home for example I have had a 17-year-old an 11-year-old and an eight-year-old and nothing untoward has happened because the parents are there and you know life goes on. Some of these young people certainly have committed a crime and they have come into the care of Oranga Tamariki and they're in remand homes but that doesn't necessarily make them a danger to anybody else as with regard to younger children. So again the triage is very important and we very much have focused on that area.I do just want to also say this though too: that Oranga Tamariki aims to prevent bail breach by providing more support for whānau with a young person on bail and working with youth advocates police and the judiciary to understand bail breach risks and putting in place support. An example of what has been causing our young people to breach bail is that literally some of them have not understood what the rules were. That is a recognition that some of our young people have communication difficulties dyslexia dyspraxia. They might be on the mild autism spectrum; they may have mild foetal alcohol syndrome. We need to make sure we know our young people and put into place and deliver the messages in a way that they understand so that they don't unintentionally breach the bail conditions. This is part of what Oranga Tamariki is working on.So I thank the members for their questions. I hope that I have answered them but please rest assured that we certainly are trying to ensure that we have a rural lens as well as an urban lens over this situation because we know that not all the young people who will find themselves in front of the Youth Courts are in cities. We want to make sure however that we don't just separate them from their communities. They are still our children where they are where they have lived and socialised and had friends but how can we support them in that community to take a different pathway?