SpeechSIMON O'CONNOR (National—Tāmaki): Oh thank you very much Mr Chair. Once again—it's no disrespect—it's actually a good chance to take the mask off although I've been inspired by the fact that a waiata was able to be sung maskless in this Chamber. I think it's a sign of good things to come.Look in Part 1 of this bill clause 3—and my colleague Harete Hipango touched on it that it is in here around about line 7—is talking about Matariki is the Māori name for Pleiades" which is fantastic. It's probably a twofold question to the Minister. One is that I understand there are various names in Māoridom for Matariki and I know Ms Hipango herself would reference one from Whanganui. How we are going to respect that because there is not a Māori name; there are many.The second too is how we are respecting the cultural diversity of the countries because they've chosen to use the word "Pleiades". Now that's a term particularly out of Greek mythology. I will not lecture the committee of the whole House on all the names of the gods with a small "g" from Pleiades. Of course the Japanese call this Subaru. Hon David Bennett: Tell me five.SIMON O'CONNOR: No I won't. I'm not going to—I'm not that bad. Of course it's Subaru particularly to the Japanese. Those of us who are more colloquial would think of this as the Seven Sisters. Of course in more astronomical terms this is Messier 45. So I suppose the question Minister is why officials or the people have chosen to be so specific to use Greek mythology—I'd be biased; I like it—but there are multiple multiple names and maybe a suggestion of why she hasn't used the neutral astrological term Messier 45 which would have kept everyone happy and would have prevented me from having to list off the seven gods in—Andrew Bayly: Can you please please—just do it.SIMON O'CONNOR: No I'm not going to do it. You know as a Christian that it would put me in a terrible position Andrew Bayly! Hon KIRITAPU ALLAN (Associate Minister for Arts Culture and Heritage): Tēnā koe e te mema. Kua huri atu au ki te mātauranga o te kāhui o ētahi kaupapa o Te Kāhui o Matariki. Ko te tino whakaaro o ngāi mātou o te Karauna ki te huri ki a rātou ngā tohunga o ērā atu kaupapa. Kei a rātou ko te whakaaro rangatira i waenganui i a rātou. Ko Pleiades te ingoa tūturu e mārama ngā tāngata maha o te ao katoa te whakaaro o ētahi ingoa o ētahi kāhui o ngā whetū. Heoi anō ki a mātou he whakaaro pai he whakaaro rangatira ki a mātou heoi anō koinā.[Thank you to the member. I will now turn to the Māori knowledge of the cluster and other aspects of the cluster of Matariki. We of the Crown think strongly that we should turn to the experts who have expertise in those other areas. They are a rich source of knowledge. Pleiades is the original name understood by lots of people in the whole world when they think of names of clusters of stars. However to us it is a good idea a noble idea and so that's that.]SIMON O'CONNOR (National—Tāmaki): Thank you Mr Chair. If I might I'll continue in English. While I appreciate the Minister's contributions there and obviously the use of the terms as we know them in New Zealand and also respecting that there are different terms as you mentioned—the rangatira in Whanganui. Yes just sort of wanting to follow up why we didn't use the neutral term and just keep clear of what's sort of just general parlance?Hon KIRITAPU ALLAN (Associate Minister for Arts Culture and Heritage): Kua whakamāramatia anō tētahi pātai heoi anō me whakautu anō ki a koe e te hoa i waenganui i te Whare nei. Ko te whakaaro i waenganui i a rātou te kāhui tohunga e āwhinatia i a mātou. I waenganui i a rātou kei te whakawhiti kōrero a rātou tēnei kaupapa whakahirahira. He aha te mea whakamārama ngā tāngata katoa ngā iwi katoa ngā hapū katoa ngā tāngata o Aotearoa katoa? Ko wai te ingoa Pākehā ko wai te ingoa Māori ko wai te ingoa e whakaaro ana a rātou e mōhio ana rātou pai ā koinā ko te whakautu mai ngā tāngata katoa ko te ingoa Pleiades heoi anō me whai atu a mātou koinā.[I have already explained this question. However I should answer again to you my friend in this House. This has been thought about among the advisory committee who are assisting us. They have discussed this important issue amongst themselves. What would be the clearest thing for everybody for all the tribes all the subtribes all the people of New Zealand? What is the English name the Māori name what name did they think did they know was suitable? The answer from everybody was the name Pleiades so we should use it just that.]"