Parker David; Rurawhe AdrianHon DAVID PARKER (Minister of Revenue): I wasn't going to take a call on this but I do find it a little bit galling to be lectured on political independence of the Reserve Bank by the National Party. I'm going to read an extract of a speech by the then Governor of the Reserve Bank Dr Don Brash who's a great fan of Friedrich Hayek. In 1996 he gave a speech about labour market policy. Now the labour market by that time had been quite deregulated in New Zealand and he said—this is as Governor of the Reserve Bank—The deregulation is not complete. The Act provides for certain minimum entitlements that must be observed and employment contracts including a minimum wage minimum holiday entitlements parental leave and equal pay for men and women." He was a man who as Governor of the Reserve Bank had a very extreme view of deregulation of the labour market and pushed it as Governor of the Reserve Bank and then whilst Governor of the Reserve Bank in what should be one of the most apolitical roles of any role appointed by Governments he negotiated a position on the National Party list whilst he was Governor of the Reserve Bank and did not resign from the position of Governor of the Reserve Bank until his position on the National Party list in the 2002 election was secured. It's for that reason that I won't put up with being lectured on the importance of political neutrality and freedom from interference from politicians by the National Party.DEPUTY SPEAKER: The question is that the motion—David Seymour: Mr Speaker?DEPUTY SPEAKER: Is it a point of order?David Seymour: No I'm calling.DEPUTY SPEAKER: No there are no more calls left.David Seymour: No Mr Speaker there's a speech 12; anyone can call for it.DEPUTY SPEAKER: No.David Seymour: Yes they can—they absolutely can.DEPUTY SPEAKER: I'm sorry. No my ruling is according to the Business—I'll stand up. The ruling from the Business Committee sets out the order of speeches. The only call that was not taken was by the Māori Party. The decision of the Business Committee is when the Māori Party do not take their call it reverts to the Labour Party OK? So we have had all calls.David Seymour: Point of order. There may be some confusion. As I understand it David Parker had taken speech 11. There are 12 calls available. Now you are correct that the Business Committee does give an indication of calls. However frequently in this House a person stands up and takes a call who may not be in order to speak according to the Business Committee's guidance and you as the Chair have absolute discretion to call somebody. Now of course also you have a role under the Standing Orders to ensure that people are heard and that there is as much debate as possible. If I as a member seek a call that is available in a debate then it's not clear why you wouldn't call me to facilitate further debate.DEPUTY SPEAKER: I'm going to make another ruling. I'm going to rule now on what Mr Seymour has said that there was some confusion over whether or not the ninth call was fully taken. When Helen White took the call there were 10 minutes on the clock—I made that a 10-minute call—so by my calculation there's a five-minute call left if someone would like to take it."