Webb DuncanDr DUNCAN WEBB (Labour—Christchurch Central): Tēnā koe e Te Mana Whakawā. Noisy directionless polluting stop-start—that was Mr Bayly's contribution. And here we have the member for Hunua as you would expect listening to Mr Shirley lobbying for the Road Transport Forum who would have every other citizen in New Zealand pay for the woes that that Government left us with.One of the many things that is good about this excellent piece of legislation is that it has an Auckland solution to an Auckland problem—as it should. The deficit in the infrastructure there is enormous. We are as Minister Genter pointed out taking an innovative approach not one based on cars. There's $28-billion-worth of works to be done to solve this problem.This regional tax framework will allow the raising of around $4 billion. That's not to say it will raise $4 billion but leveraged off this tax will come $4 billion—a modest contribution to that and here the tax itself a little over $1 billion. So look it's not too much to ask to say to the people of Auckland Can you chip in?" There's still a lot of central government money going to this and a lot of ratepayer money.But in terms of a regional fuel tax it's minor it's minuscule—as we've heard before it's around $5 a week. But let's be clear for a lot of people $5 a week is important; it's not trivial. Five dollars a week counts. I'll tell you what else counts: $75 a week for Working for Families counts; $31 a week in the winter energy payment counts; $20 cheaper doctors' fees that counts; $30 a week rise in the minimum wage that counts—ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Adrian Rurawhe): Order! Sorry to interrupt the member but the time has come for me to leave the chair for the dinner break.Sitting suspended from 6 p.m. to 7.30 p.m.Dr DUNCAN WEBB: Tēnā koe Madam Deputy Speaker. Before dinner I had pointed out that Auckland has a problem left to it by the National Government and Auckland has a solution. I'll tell you what that solution is: under this bill under the transport plan proposed by Auckland City it's a plan around public transport. It's public transport public transport and public transport—not more roads not encouraging people to get back in their cars and create more congestion a failed plan that the Opposition would have us go back to. Well no. We have rail enhanced cycling routes park-and-ride walking safety—this is a Government that will look after people not like the Opposition who would simply build motorways to nowhere and have safety issues falling over themselves—a rail-bus interchange integrating a public transport network. What we have here is an actual plan that looks forward that doesn't look based on old ideas old technologies and a solution that doesn't work. You know I'll tell you who a car-centric city hurts: a car-centric city hurts people who can't afford two cars. What this will do is turn Auckland into a city where people can have low-cost transport solutions. These are the very people this Government stands for.Andrew Bayly: There are no options in Waiuku.Dr DUNCAN WEBB: There are no options Mr Bayly because your lot left Auckland in a debacle an absolute mess and it's time for a change—and change is here. And you know what? Auckland is happy about that. Auckland is relieved that at last there's a plan. There's not some $11 billion hole in the transport network; there's a plan to fund it. The solution is not encouraging more cars on the road. But look Mr Bayly's there yapping away as he is wont to do and I'm surprised about that because in fact in select committee he's much more intelligent you know. He's not the imbecile he makes himself out as here; he has some quite good ideas. I'm grateful not only to the great leadership of the chair Michael Wood but also to the National members for pointing out ways in which the bill could be improved because it is absolutely right that we don't want to tax people who are using their fuel off-road. Regional fuel tax—it's a complicated tax. It has regional boundaries; it's about taxing fuel within that region for road use because this is about funding the deficit in roads and that's what we're going to do."