Brown SimeonSIMEON BROWN (National—Pakuranga): Thank you Madam Chair. There's still a range of areas in this Part which still need to be discussed in terms of the impact that this legislation has. I'd like to ask a question of the Minister in relation to Subpart 2 which is regarding the Clean vehicle standard" and new sections 175 and 175A inserted by clause 7.So section 175 sets the targets for reducing carbon dioxide emissions and again this was another issue which was raised significantly by submitters in the select committee stage with a number of submitters raising different points in relation to whether they were too fast or too slow in terms of reducing the emissions. But the question I think which was particularly raised was in regards to the emissions reductions set out in the 2026 and 2027 year with a number of submitters raising the point that the drop between 2025 and 2026 was going to be challenging in terms of being able to meet those particular targets. I know the Minister's talked about how ambitious he is and how he is wanting to create change and we wish him you know good luck if that's what he wishes to do with this piece of legislation. However the reality is also the fact that the market needs to be able to actually deliver and as we've talked about before the risk here is that the market is not able to deliver the number of vehicles and therefore either people pay for higher emitting vehicles and pay the taxes and the charges or they simply hold on to existing vehicles for longer. That was something which I think is a significant risk of this piece of legislation.So the issue that was raised in the departmental report from officials was the suggestion to actually amend the emissions target for 2026 from 84.5 grams for type A vehicles to 90 grams and for type B vehicles from 116.3 grams to 139 grams. I'd like to ask the Minister why it appears he's rejected that particular piece of advice or proposal from officials and also why he seems to have rejected the advice which was for the 2027 year to have those targets set by regulation instead of being put here in the primary legislation which is currently where it is at.So that brings me to the second question to which I guess his response will be: "Well I'll be reviewing the targets anyway in June of 2024 and that's my opportunity to sort of deal with those particular issues." The question I've got there in regards to this particular section is symbolic of the challenges in this legislation in that effectively again it just gives the power to the Minister. So instead of the industry having certainty leading up to 2026 now the industry is going to have to wait to see what he or she—whoever the Minister may be—will decide at that point. But again the review has a number of criteria here in terms of what the review must take into account but then it says "The review may be undertaken by any method the Minister considers appropriate."—any method. Effectively the Minister could decide however he or she wishes for this particular review to take place. From my perspective that doesn't sound very methodical when you're dealing with something which is actually—these are big industry players having to plan ahead and the Minister effectively has the power to simply just decide how he or she wishes to undertake a review. So whilst a review sounds like a good idea—particularly as the market changes and manufacturing and technology capability no doubt only improves—the other point here is actually this just seems to be another power grab by the Minister to decide.And the next subsection says: "In conducting the review the Minister must consult such persons as the Minister considers appropriate." Again the Minister can effectively decide who he or she decides to talk to. That's something which I think is a significant concern and the fact that the industry is not even a required component of that review.So I asked the Minister a number of questions there—those proposals those proposed changes and then in regards to how this review is actually structured."