Upston LouiseHon LOUISE UPSTON (National—Taupō): Thank you Madam Chair and it will be good to hear from Minister Tracey Martin about Supplementary Order Paper (SOP) 247 because there's obviously quite a lot of detail in it which we will look forward to. As my colleague the Hon Alfred Ngaro did speak about National will be supporting this piece of legislation. We did have a compressed time frame in terms of working through this piece of legislation but I do want to just put on record my thanks to the officials. I know that when you're changing 11 pieces of legislation there's a lot of work that goes on behind the scenes with the different agencies working through the ramifications and the impact of all of those changes so I do want to just put on record my thanks to the officials both those who are here and those who worked with the Social Services and Community Committee and behind the scenes. Both the bill we've got in front of us and also Supplementary Order Paper 247 are quite a significant piece of work and one that's really important for all of us if it's successful. Obviously we've had a discussion earlier today about just how critical it is that the changes work for young people in the youth justice system and as I mentioned in the House in my second reading contribution it also needs to work for those that the justice system serves—i.e. the victims that are involved in this. So this debate is on Part 1. Part 1 is just covering changes to the Oranga Tamariki legislation itself and Part 2 obviously covers all of the other changes. It is important. I think that on the surface of it people look at it and say Oh well you're just changing the age—big deal." but I think the significance of the changes that we have worked through in the select committee and then the changes in the SOP that's before us just really kind of highlight that actually it's not as straightforward as it sounds. So I do want to thank the Hon Tracey Martin for picking up this work from the Hon Anne Tolley and I know that you have put a significant amount of work and effort into it.In terms of Part 1 I do think it's important that we kind of go through some of the SOPs—I don't want to cover that because I'm assuming the Minister will take a call on it. But this is around the various implications of changing the age so that another group of young people can be served in the youth justice system rather than in the adult courts. As a former Minister of Corrections I absolutely understand how critical it is that we can do what we can for those young people who experience the youth justice system and the more that we can make that experience the one and only experience they have the better. So obviously some of these young people are dealing with Schedule 1A charges the more serious charges and some of the changes that we worked through in detail with the officials were you know things like when a family group conference could not be held when there are joint charges and trying to minimise a young person appearing in two different courts let alone two different court proceedings. So the detail of working through that I think has been really important and I'm particularly grateful for the officials' advice on it.There were a few areas that we wanted to kind of test any of the unintended consequences. I think there are potentially still a few questions around that and I particularly want reassurance from the Minister with the SOP that's tabled today that those have all been explored. Even in the fact that we've got a short time frame I want to know from the Minister that in terms of this particular Part Amendments to Oranga Tamariki Act you know is she 100 percent confident that all of the unintended consequences have been explored and that she can hand on heart say "No we're not going to have to come back and change this." because that is always one of the risks when you're dealing with a compressed time frame when you're dealing with a substantial Supplementary Order Paper such as this one that we have before us—that others don't have the chance to scrutinise it."