Muller ToddTODD MULLER (National—Bay of Plenty): Well it has been quite startling listening to the last two contributions in this debate from the Green Party and the Labour Party because what they have given clear voice to is the absolute divide that sits in this House between those who see a future—Rachel Boyack: And the country.TODD MULLER: —and the country perhaps; let's see—those who see a future for mining rare minerals to assist the decarbonisation journey and those who see it and any of that activity as purely extractive and therefore shall be banned from New Zealand. That is the argument they have put forward in the last 10 minutes. They are anti-extraction anti-mining and if anybody stands up— Hon Julie Anne Genter: Point of order—point of order. My understanding is that the bill changes the wording to manage" not "ban" so I'm not sure why that member's misleading members at home about what is actually said in the bill.Matt Doocey: Speaking to that point of order—ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Jenny Salesa): It is actually not a point of order. It is a debating point so I will go back to Todd Muller who's still giving his speech.TODD MULLER: Thank you Madam Speaker. So there is an absolute clear divide in my view between the Labour and Green parties who hold the view that any mining any extractive industry has no future and worse than that that anybody who stands on this side of the House and has a different view is a climate denier. We had full noise from Julie Anne Genter just before saying that in the National Party because we have a different view because we see that there is a place for mining in the decarbonisation journey of this country we are supposedly the climate deniers. I think the argument is false it's flawed and actually does this debate a disservice. We are trying to walk this country over the next 20 or 30 years to be less reliant on carbon to underpin our economy and the minerals that exist in this country in Australia and in other parts of the world will be a critical part of that. So we stand here saying: yes the climate crisis around the globe is extreme and serious and yes 190 countries need to make the best efforts to go on a decarbonising journey. But what does that mean? In 2030 to meet global demand for electricity storage the International Energy Agency predicts 50 new lithium mines 60 new nickel mines and 17 new cobalt mines. Without minerals there is no transition to a decarbonised future. So the argument of the Greens in particular echoed by Labour is completely nonsensical. They are living in a la-la land thinking that somehow for the decarbonisation of this country and this economy to occur we should just walk away from any mineral that sits underground that actually could assist not only us but the rest of the world to make the transition. Norway does it Europe does it Africa does it America does it Canada does it Australia does it but for the Greens and the Labour Party no New Zealand should not touch it because somehow it's going to impact our positioning on the world stage. What absolute trite nonsense. We have to change the economy to move to a decarbonised future but minerals are a critical enabler for that to happen and they're underground. You've got to dig them up to actually make them contribute to the global economy. To sit there and say that any touching of any mineral extraction is bad and is flawed and shouldn't be the way of the future for New Zealand is absolute economic illiteracy. What's worse is that it's wrapped up in climate change language that if we hold this view we are deniers and if we hold this view somehow we don't care about our children's futures.Nicola Grigg: Lazy.TODD MULLER: Well that is lazy it is wrong and frankly it's offensive because this debate deserves far better intellectual rigour than what we've had to put up with over the last 10 minutes or quarter of an hour. This is critical—that we get the settings right for our decarbonised journey—and this bill says "You know what? We are not going to promote or in any way be active in seeking to see what we could do with our New Zealand minerals that are caught up and applying the best practice in terms of extraction and remediation—we're going to say no to that opportunity and let the rest of the world grab it." Frankly it looks like we are the country in the Dark Ages. By goodness we need a change in Government come October to have some sense brought to the table in this debate. Thank you very much."