Warren-Clark AngieANGIE WARREN-CLARK (Labour): Tēnā koe Mr Speaker. It gives me no pleasure to stand today to talk on this matter. I want to first of all acknowledge Karen Chhour for the mamae that she has brought to this House today for the pain and the distress that I heard in her voice and also for all of us here who are experiencing that because no one—let me be 100 percent clear—ever wants a child to be harmed. No one ever ever wants a child to be harmed. I want to also acknowledge Jan Logie for her speech as well. I think it was reasoned and I think it brought some more decorum to the House at a time that I think we need to not play politics. This is a serious matter—five children—and we need to quite simply acknowledge that this has happened to ensure that it never happens again and in that circumstance what I have to say is that I am very pleased that Mike Bush has been appointed and will be working through this process. There is a process to be worked through. It is serious.I understand the children the young people at the heart of this have been given support to deal with this matter—something they should never have had to deal with but I understand there has been wraparound support services for those children. I also understand that Mike Bush is doing a wide-ranging inquiry into this matter. I also understand and my apologies I was not aware of the circumstance until the debate was called so my understanding is that it was actually two staff members who whistle-blew this matter who actually raised issues and concerns about their work colleagues and that was how this matter was raised and identified. We all want to ensure the safety of children. We all want to make sure that children are safe and as boring and unfortunate as it sounds there must be policies procedures and processes that are set in place in these organisations that ensure our children are safe. I can't say it any more plainly than that. There must be systems in place and I have to say that in this instance it appears very much that there were not and I am incredibly sorry for that. And I know that we all are incredibly sorry for that. I want to also just acknowledge that these places that we put these young people are not places that we would want any of our children to go. These are not the places that we should aspire for our children to end up. The Minister spoke today about the things that we are doing with Oranga Tamariki the community response that we are having. It is my hope in the future that we don't have youth justice facilities for our young people and that we don't have these facilities where these young people are put. But it is community that uplifts and wraps around our children and protects them and it is a community response that we have as opposed to the State needing to intervene. And so I do say that I am so very sorry that I am here as the member Jan Logie said speaking again on a matter of this nature but I think that we need quite simply to do better and that we should do better. There is nothing more to say quite frankly except that this House and I believe I speak on behalf of all members of this House are incredibly sorry that this has happened to these children to their whānau and to our community and I ask that we each and every one of us respond in a way that is fitting for the House at a time when this awful event has occurred.