Williams ArenaARENA WILLIAMS (Labour—Manurewa): It's Arena Williams. Thank you Madam Chair.CHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh): Oh sorry. I'm so sorry—my apologies. I call Arena Williams. ARENA WILLIAMS: Thank you Madam Chair. I'm very glad to take a call and I'm happy to be confused with my excellent colleague Camilla Belich. Thank you Madam Chair—thank you. I also acknowledge the Minister in the chair the Hon Simeon Brown. Congratulations on your role Minister. I look forward to discussing this with you. It's of importance to Manurewa the place we both grew up in in South Auckland. The question I have for the Minister relates to the purpose of elevating some of these decisions to primary legislation. My colleague has touched on a more general point but I want to focus specifically on the Minister's views around making these decisions in primary legislation and perhaps he can give us some guidance on his view around regulations within the transport sector as to whether this will be a trend of the Government to use primary legislation tools—indeed within urgency or out of urgency—whereas the previous Government would have used the secondary legislation or the regulations to make those sorts of decisions.As the committee has heard the legislation that this bill seeks to amend allows for the Minister to make the kinds of policy decisions which he has indicated to this House that he would like to make around the Clean Car Discount scheme within that legal framework already. It's important to give that proper consideration now because when Ministers have a legal framework set out already to make those decisions and they have been road-tested before it gives the Government some level of comfort that those are able to be made in a sound way and that they don't expose the Minister to a level of undue risk and open up the Government to further legal challenge somewhere down the line. So it's good to follow established legal frameworks and to use the powers within primary and secondary legislation that we have and that we are used to generally.My question is about the decision by the Minister not to issue a decision under the regulations around the use of the Clean Car Discount. As my colleague has said why is that not being made when we have the tools within the primary legislation to do so? I am considering putting forward a number of amendments to help the Minister to use this piece of legislation were he wanting to use an established legal framework to do so. But I do want to hear his answers on the place of secondary legislation in his view given that we've also heard this Minister and the other Ministers of the Crown give us a sense of where they are going with the cutting of regulations. That is secondary legislation often that is things within that secondary legal framework and so it is really useful for us to know and the members of the Transport and Infrastructure Committee who are here—excellent committee; hard-working committee—would like to know if the Government is planning in its cutting of regulations to actually start removing more pieces of secondary legislation from the statute book in the way we are doing here. That is very significant to the transport sector in particular because we have a number of agencies that operate almost entirely through secondary legislation and in reference to their Ministers' decisions through those legal frameworks that have been long set out and have a long legal tradition in New Zealand. So if this is the way we're heading we need to know that.Now the amendments that I'm considering making to Part 1 are around the functions of the agency given that a number of the regulations to inform the way that the agency operates—perhaps there are functions within this bill that we are debating today that need to be kept on the statute book somewhere. So those will be my questions to the Minister and whether he will support those amendments later. But I'll give him an opportunity to answer our questions now.