Smith Lockwood: Terrorism Suppression Amendment Bill (No 2) — In Committee Third Reading 
Smith Lockwood: Terrorism Suppression Amendment Bill (No 2) — In Committee Third Reading 
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Dr the Hon LOCKWOOD SMITH (National—Rodney) 
: 
 I would appreciate the Minister in the chair Rick Barker giving the Committee a little guidance on where things are at currently with the designations. Although Part 2 of the Terrorism Suppression Amendment Bill (No 2) extends existing designations I would appreciate from the Minister a bit of an update as to where things are at. When the principal Act was passed as I recollect there were 318 designated terrorist organisations. 
Hon Rick Barker 
: Still are. 
Dr the Hon LOCKWOOD SMITH 
: My advice is that New Zealand now has 420. As I also understand it the United Nations now has 433. This is quite important because if there are 433 organisations considered by the United Nations to be terrorist organisations—I know Keith Locke may not consider them to be but if the United Nations thinks they are then that is quite important—at what stage will New Zealand’s list be updated? We are extending the existing list for 2 years but I would appreciate advice on whether our list has been updated yet to pick up the full 433 designated terrorist organisations that I understand are on the United Nations list. 
I realise that some organisations come off and others go on and that is a continuous process but I think it is quite important while we are looking at this issue of extension that we give a little bit of thought to how we make sure we are right up to date with which organisations are terrorist. I realise we have a little bit of an out in that because—and I am not sure that members realised this when we were debating Part 1—in fact funding terrorist organisations is illegal whether or not they are designated. I do not know whether a lot of members picked up that fact when we were debating clause 4— 
Hon Richard Prebble 
: That would account for why the Greens are so concerned about it. 
Dr the Hon LOCKWOOD SMITH 
: The Hon Richard Prebble says that in jest but there have been members of the Green Party who have done some pretty crazy and outrageous things around New Zealand. Their actions may or may not have threatened life or limb but they have certainly been terrorist in their intent in terms of the damage they have sought to do to other interests around New Zealand. 
But that is an important issue. I think the Committee should understand that terrorist organisations do not have to be designated for it to be illegal for people to finance them. Part 2 extends the list of designated organisations and I would appreciate the Minister’s advice on where we are at at the moment with our designation work. What are we extending in terms of our numbers? I think the Minister would agree with me that it is not the 318 organisations that were originally designated that we are now extending. I would think it is the 420 that are on the list but I would appreciate the Minister’s guidance. If the United Nations has a further 13 organisations on its list and we bring them on to our list will they be automatically taken through to the full extended time of the designations that we are extending now? I am happy to take my seat if the Minister could clarify those points for us. I would appreciate that.