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Turia Tariana: Obituaries — Pope John Paul II 
Turia Tariana: Obituaries — Pope John Paul II 
[Volume:624;Page:19550] 
TARIANA TURIA (Leader—Maori Party) 
: 
 The Maori Party mourns the passing of a world leader—an inspired and compassionate man and someone who was treasured for the spiritual guidance and moral strength he provided not only to millions of Catholics but also to communities all over the world. 
I want particularly to acknowledge the deep grief and sadness felt by the 70000 tangata whenua of the Catholic faith. Tangata whenua saw the reverence and respect with which Pope John Paul recognised his homeland. We all remember well his historic journey home to Poland and how moved we were to see him kiss Papatuanuku. We think of his unique contribution to Aotearoa now when we remember the visit of Pope John Paul II in November 1986 when 2 years later the consecration of the first-ever Maori Catholic bishop Takuira Mariu took place. 
We have all lost a genuine mentor a holy man. His messages will continue to inspire and challenge us all to create a better world. 
Na reira e te rangatira haere atu ra ki o tupuna. Hoki wairua mai ki a matou e whai atu ana i a koe. 
[ 
And so to you the chief depart to your ancestors. Return in spirit to us who in time will follow you 
.] 
Motion agreed to.
Paraone Pita: Ngati Awa Claims Settlement Bill — In Committee Procedure 
Paraone Pita: Ngati Awa Claims Settlement Bill — In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:623;Page:18843] 
PITA PARAONE (NZ First) 
: 
 I want to take a call in respect of Part 5 and to continue with some of the concerns that have been expressed by the previous speaker particularly in terms of the fact that this particular settlement will certainly affect a number of other cross-claimants. It is a real concern that in this bill we are proposing settlements that take in part of the assets for the area yet we are not quite sure whether subsequent claimants will be satisfied with what is left to them—only time will tell. That is why New Zealand First is very specific in its demand to see clear definition in this bill. 
With regard to clause 134—and I must say that I would be the first to admit that I do not have a legal background—I hope that the Minister will provide some clarification in terms of the concern that I have. Clause 134(1) states: “To give effect to section 8 of the Ngati Awa deed of settlement the Crown (acting through the Commissioner of Crown Lands) is authorised to do 1 or more of the following: (a) transfer the fee simple estate in a commercial redress property to the Ngati Awa governance entity:”. How can the Crown facilitate that transfer of a fee simple without including clause 134(1)(b) in terms of assigning some formal document to confirm the transfer? I hope the Minister will give us some clarification. 
If my assertions are correct then quite clearly there is some lack of clarity in terms of what the clause intends. Again I refer to the fact that we need to have clear definition and clarity so that this settlement and the intention of this bill is an enduring one and that we are not inviting further claims to the tribunal in respect of this settlement.
Vote: Third Readings 
Vote: Third Readings 
[Volume:612;Page:9390] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the New Zealand Security Intelligence Service Amendment Bill be now read a third time. 
Ayes 110 
New Zealand Labour 52; New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 9 
Green Party 9. 
Bill read a third time.
Barker Rick: Parole (Extended Supervision) and Sentencing Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Barker Rick: Parole (Extended Supervision) and Sentencing Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:618;Page:14169] 
Hon RICK BARKER (Associate Minister of Justice) 
: 
 Clause 20 is in Part 2 I am reliably advised. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich) 
: What does Mr Ryall think of that? 
Hon Tony Ryall 
: That is OK. Then we will have it later.
Vote: Immigration Amendment Bill — Instructions to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Vote: Immigration Amendment Bill — Instructions to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:611;Page:8278] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 60 
Labour 52; United Future 8. 
Noes 56 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 7; Green Party 9. 
Motion agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Lianne Dalziel to clause 3(a) be agreed to: 
to insert after the word “model;” the words “while still providing transparency and certainty of residence policy to maintain the international credibility of New Zealand’s immigration system;”.
Mallard Trevor: General Debates 
Mallard Trevor: General Debates 
[Volume:617;Page:13331] 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Minister of Education) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. While you were ruling correcting the member on his misrepresentation to the House about your previous ruling he said: “No way.” It is gross defiance of the Chair to contradict you while you are on your feet. How long is this to be allowed to continue? 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I thank the Hon Trevor Mallard for that. If the member on my left did say that then that is trifling with the Chair and I ask him to withdraw and apologise. I have to take the member’s word for it.
te Heuheu Georgina: Ngati Awa Claims Settlement Bill — In Committee Procedure 
te Heuheu Georgina: Ngati Awa Claims Settlement Bill — In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:623;Page:18846] 
Hon GEORGINA TE HEUHEU (National) 
: 
 My colleague is of course correct when he says that we have seen these kinds of provisions before whereby an ancestor is named in the title. Although that may be unusual in the normal Western sense Maori do not find it unusual at all and that is clearly why we have it here. My understanding is that it is a recognition not only of the fact that Awanuiarangi II was the ancestor who came here but that his family was intimately connected and settled and resided in the lands now given this special title. So on the face of it it seems a reasonable thing to do. Clearly if Ngati Awa see it as the right thing to do then it ought to be supported. 
I agree with my colleague in the sense that that is probably an unusual thing in the Western World but we in New Zealand are pretty used to seeing that kind of thing become part and parcel of the fabric of our society. Although it is generally a worry to some I guess as Dr Mapp says it does not affect anyone and it does give Ngati Awa an opportunity to recognise the status mana and rangatiratanga of their ancestor. 
In relation to clause 160 which my colleague thought I might make some comments on and which I now feel bound to I will make my comments by way of a question. I ask the Minister whether he sees this clause as providing an exception that offers something over and above what one would accept as usual in the normal run of things. The clause appears to contain an absolute prohibition on any exploration activity because the title of the area will be vested in Awanuiarangi II and the area will also be regarded as wahi tapu. That is why it is given that status but I do not know whether National would want to see that kind of thing become commonplace in settlements. As I say perhaps the Minister might like to explain the rationale for that provision. It is not going to mean that National will not support it but I think it is proper for New Zealanders for those of the public who might be listening to understand why these things are being done in the way they are. 
On balance I say that while Part 6 is a small part it is an important part to Ngati Awa. It gives them a chance to recognise in a more than extra way their esteemed ancestor. There is certainly precedent for doing that although that precedent took place some years ago now. It does seem that that provision hurts no one but adds to the settlement.
Mark Ron: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Mark Ron: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:611;Page:8329] 
11.  
RON MARK (NZ First) 
 to the  
Prime Minister 
: Does she have confidence in her Minister of Health; if so why? 
Rt Hon HELEN CLARK (Prime Minister) 
: 
 Yes because she is a hard-working and conscientious Minister. 
Ron Mark 
: How can she have confidence in her Minister of Health given that in 2002 mentally ill patients drained police of 26000 hours of their reported time spent in responding to 6175 reported incidents and given the hundreds of mentally ill patients inappropriately serving prison sentences; and should not the Minister of Health be responsible for these people instead of her leaving it to the unfortunate victims to find them and the police the courts and the Department of Corrections to pick up the pieces? 
Rt Hon HELEN CLARK 
: What the Minister of Health can take pride in is having secured in the Government’s first Budget almost one-quarter of a billion dollars extra over 4 years to implement the mental health blueprint. She can also cite figures that show that in the years from 1970 right through to the year 2000 which is the period over which the deinstitutionalisation of mentally ill people occurred the proportion of homicides committed by people with serious mental illness actually decreased. The services are better but we can never rule out that a person with mental illness will commit a crime just as we cannot rule out that a person without mental illness will commit a crime. 
Ron Mark 
: If everything is so wonderful and if all the plans are working so well why in the last few weeks have we had a young woman who was known to have mental health problems throw herself in front of a train in Porirua a man wandering the Wellington motorway brandishing a replica firearm an incident in Masterton that had the armed offenders squad hunting a man in relation to an axe-rage attack and yet another incident in Northland again involving a man who attacked the police with an axe? 
Rt Hon HELEN CLARK 
: All those incidents are very sad and regrettable but unless we detain every person with any diagnosed mental illness for 24 hours a day we cannot guarantee they will not happen.
Address to Her Excellency the Governor-General—Presentation 
Address to Her Excellency the Governor-General—Presentation 
[Volume:617;Page:13212] 
Address to Her Excellency the Governor-General—Presentation 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Before I put the respectful address I would like to give my personal thanks to all of those who have made such kind comments this afternoon. I regard this as an almost emotional day for me. It is a great experience to be here on this 150th anniversary. 
I will now read the proposed address. 
ADDRESS FROM THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 
to 
Her Excellency The Honourable Dame Silvia Cartwright Chancellor and Principal Companion of the New Zealand Order of Merit Dame Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire Principal Companion of The Queen’s Service Order Governor-General and Commander-in-Chief in and over New Zealand. 
YOUR EXCELLENCY— 
WE the House of Representatives respectfully convey our appreciation that Your Excellency is joining with us to celebrate the occasion of the 150th anniversary of the first sitting of our House. 
We commend to Your Excellency the contribution to the House and the affairs of the country made by members past and present and the service given by officers of the House and other parliamentary staff.We welcome the publication of the story of the House from 1854 to 2004. 
May Your Excellency be assured that the House looks forward to playing a vital role in our democracy in the years ahead. 
Address agreed to. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Honourable members accompanied by the mover and the seconder and other members of the House I will present this address to Her Excellency the Governor-General this evening in the Banquet Hall.
Choudhary Ashraf: Resource Management (Aquaculture Moratorium Extension) Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Choudhary Ashraf: Resource Management (Aquaculture Moratorium Extension) Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:616;Page:11650] 
Dr ASHRAF CHOUDHARY (Labour) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Sittings of the House 
Sittings of the House 
[Volume:620;Page:15527] 
Sittings of the House 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I seek leave for the House to meet on the ringing of the bell on Wednesday 15 September. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: This is in relation to the Japanese parliamentary delegation. Is there any objection to that course being followed? There appears to be none.
Vote: Health Practitioners Competence Assurance Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Health Practitioners Competence Assurance Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:611;Page:8158] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 7; Green Party 9. 
Noes 60 
Labour 52; United Future 8. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 103 in the name of Dr Lynda Scott to omit clauses 123 124 and 125 be agreed to.
Parker David: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Parker David: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:618;Page:13851] 
8.  
DAVID PARKER (Labour—Otago) 
 to the  
Associate Minister for Industry and Regional Development 
: What progress has been made with the Government’s business incubator scheme over recent years? 
Hon PETE HODGSON (Associate Minister for Industry and Regional Development) 
: 
 The scheme has been a stunning success. When this Government came to office there was one incubator. As of now there are more than a dozen up and running or planned and the Prime Minister opened an extension of one in Wellington last night. Between them these incubators cater for over 100 businesses and those businesses on average increased their turnover by 228 percent in the last 12 months. 
David Parker 
: What is being done to invest further in this scheme? 
Hon PETE HODGSON 
: The Government is delighted with progress within this scheme. It continues to invest in the success that the scheme is delivering. Funding increased in the last Budget to $2.7 million up 50 percent on last year. The National Party continues to oppose the scheme. National members simply do not get it. They call it corporate welfarism.
Vote: Foreshore and Seabed Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Foreshore and Seabed Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:621;Page:17101] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 11 
Green Party 9; Maori Party 1; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Noes 109 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Metiria Turei to clause 65 be agreed to: 
to omit this clause.
Vote: New Zealand Trade and Enterprise Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Vote: New Zealand Trade and Enterprise Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:609;Page:6307] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 48 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8. 
Noes 71 
Labour 52; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Tony Ryall to clause 21 be agreed to: 
to add the following paragraph: 
(e)the power to approve the statement of intent and annual report.
Hunt Jonathan: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members Questions to Ministers 
Hunt Jonathan: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:615;Page:11504] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: That point of order is out of order. It is a debating point. We are to have a Budget Policy Statement debate shortly and I suggest that that is the time to raise that particular matter or by letter to me for another particular offence thatis not mentioned in this House.
Amended Answers to Oral Questions — Question No. 3 to Minister 
Amended Answers to Oral Questions — Question No. 3 to Minister 
[Volume:624;Page:19539] 
Amended Answers to Oral Questions 
Question No. 3 to Minister 
Hon GEORGE HAWKINS (Minister of Police) 
: 
 I seek leave to correct an answer that I gave earlier today in response to question No. 3. I advised the House that apart from the files in the Counties-Manukau district there were 610 other files across the districts that remained unassigned. That number should have been 643.
Donald Rod: Overseas Investment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
Donald Rod: Overseas Investment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:626;Page:21550] 
ROD DONALD (Co-Leader—Green) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Chairperson. I did not want to interrupt the member particularly because I agreed with most of what he was saying but I suggest that we follow a logical sequence here. Part 1 does not have any reference to the marginal strips as far as I can see. If we can get Part 1 out of the way—because it is a relatively small part and I intend to take only one call—then we can have a much more wide-ranging debate on Part 2 where marginal strips are very much part of the debate.
Hartley Ann: Relationships (Statutory References) Bill — In Committee 
Hartley Ann: Relationships (Statutory References) Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:624;Page:19093] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: Part 2 includes debate on schedules 13A 14 and 15.
Vote: Customs and Excise (Motor Spirits) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Vote: Customs and Excise (Motor Spirits) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:621;Page:16627] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Customs and Excise (Motor Spirits) Amendment Bill be now read a first time 
Ayes 70 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 49 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; Maori Party 1. 
Bill read a first time.
Jones Dail: Statutes Amendment Bill (No 4) — First Reading 
Jones Dail: Statutes Amendment Bill (No 4) — First Reading 
[Volume:615;Page:11192] 
DAIL JONES (NZ First) 
: 
 New Zealand First supports this legislation. I am surprised that any member is speaking to the bill at all. Previous practice used to be that the bill would just go straight through. I just make that comment. I thank the Government for corresponding with New Zealand First. We have rejected some matters that are not included in the bill and we support its progress.
Vote: Health Practitioners Competence Assurance Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Health Practitioners Competence Assurance Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:611;Page:8158] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 47 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 7. 
Noes 69 
Labour 52; Green Party 9; United Future 8. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 103 in the name of Dr Lynda Scott to insert new paragraph (aa) in clause 134(1) be agreed to.
Vote: Ngati Awa Claims Settlement Bill — In Committee Procedure 
Vote: Ngati Awa Claims Settlement Bill — In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:623;Page:18851] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That schedule 3 be agreed to 
. 
Ayes 98 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand National 27; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2; Maori Party 1. 
Noes 22 
New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 9. 
Schedule 3 agreed to.
Carter Chris: Local Government Law Reform Bill (No 3) — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Carter Chris: Local Government Law Reform Bill (No 3) — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:618;Page:14128] 
Hon CHRIS CARTER (Minister of Local Government) 
: 
 I thank Mr Baldock from United Future for his comments which are very helpful and informative. It is astonishing how the whole story of the casting vote and the issues around it have been recast in the Chamber not least of all by the member for Nelson Dr Nick Smith. Members may recall that when the Local Government Bill was passed in this House—under urgency as bills often are—the issue of the casting vote was contained within it. I had been very interested in the issue because that was legislation I had inherited after being appointed not long before that to the position of Minister of Local Government. There were two issues in the bill that had been quite contentious with Local Government New Zealand: the casting vote and non-resident franchise. In my travelling around and meeting with mayors and councils I said that I was quite relaxed on both issues but that the bill was before the Local Government and Environment Committee and I would go with the decision of the select committee. The select committee in its wisdom restored non-resident franchise and that was fine but unanimously—from the ACT party to the Green Party—every party in this House voted not to have a casting vote for local government. I accepted that as the decision—not by a majority but unanimously—of every party in this House. 
Now when local government looked at the issue after the passage of the bill its representatives felt for some of the very good reasons Mr Baldock and others have explained that it would make their job harder to do. We listened. I said to them that they would have an opportunity to raise that in the tidy-up legislation because in any legislation that is the size of the Local Government Act there is some fixing up to do. It is a massive Act and no one ever gets it 100 percent right down to the last comma. So I said we would fix up those little bits. Some of them were a bit bigger than others but there were some bits to fix up. I said that local government had the chance to relitigate the position of the casting vote that I was prepared to listen again and that it should make its case. Local government representatives made their case we have listened to them we have fixed the legislation up and I hope they will be happy.
Vote: Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims Bill — In Committee Procedure Third Reading 
Vote: Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims Bill — In Committee Procedure Third Reading 
[Volume:626;Page:20991] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment to the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 57 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 9; United Future 8. 
Noes 62 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; Progressive 2. 
Amendment to the amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Marc Alexander to the amendment to clause 16(1) set out on Supplementary Order Paper 374 in the name of the Hon Phil Goff be agreed to: 
to omit from proposed paragraphs (a) and (b) the words “1 July 2007” and substitute the words “1 July 2006”.
Hobbs Marian: Fiordland (Te Moana o Atawhenua) Marine  Management Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Hobbs Marian: Fiordland (Te Moana o Atawhenua) Marine  Management Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:625;Page:19865] 
Hon MARIAN HOBBS (Minister for the Environment) 
: 
 I move  
That it be an instruction to the Committee of the whole House on the Fiordland (Te Moana o Atawhenua) Marine Management Bill that it take the bill part by part. 
Motion agreed to.
Responses — Omar Ali and Amer Salman—Statements made by Rt Hon Winston Peters 
Responses — Omar Ali and Amer Salman—Statements made by Rt Hon Winston Peters 
[Volume:627;Page:22163] 
Responses 
Omar Ali and Amer Salman—Statements made by Rt Hon Winston Peters 
Madam SPEAKER 
: I hereby present a response under Standing Orders 161 to 163 on the application of Mr Omar Ali and Mr Amer Salman relating to statements made by the Rt Hon Winston Peters MP on Tuesday 31 May and Wednesday 1 June 2005. 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I move  
That that paper be published.  
Motion agreed to.
Pettis Jill: Holidays Bill — Second Reading 
Pettis Jill: Holidays Bill — Second Reading 
[Volume:614;Page:10468] 
JILL PETTIS (Labour—Whanganui) 
: 
 Was that not a typical Tory response—and from such a nice young man too! It is the same kind of thing that people said about Samuel Parnell when he wanted to introduce the 8-hour day; about the Blackball miners who wanted a 30-minute crib and whose boss had 2 hours for lunch; and about the introduction of equal pay pay equity and fair accident compensation legislation. The end of the world was nigh! That was what those Tories over there said and not a darn word of it came to pass. We should get on and pass this fair modern forward-looking bill and be done with it.
Pettis Jill: Courts and Criminal Matters Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Pettis Jill: Courts and Criminal Matters Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:626;Page:21726] 
JILL PETTIS (Senior Whip—Labour) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Brownlee Gerry: Financial Review Debate — Procedure In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Brownlee Gerry: Financial Review Debate — Procedure In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:616;Page:11860] 
GERRY BROWNLEE (Deputy Leader—National) 
: 
 I move  
That the Speaker be recalled. 
Motion agreed to and House resumed
Vote: Resource Management (Waitaki Catchment) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Resource Management (Waitaki Catchment) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:620;Page:15411] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That schedule 1 be agreed to. 
Ayes 75 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand First 13; United Future 8; Progressive 2; Maori Party 1. 
Noes 45 
New Zealand National 27; Green Party 9; ACT New Zealand 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Schedule 1 agreed to.
Hughes Darren: Taxation (Base Maintenance and MiscellaneousProvisions) Bill — First Reading 
Hughes Darren: Taxation (Base Maintenance and MiscellaneousProvisions) Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:622;Page:18070] 
DARREN HUGHES (Labour—Otaki) 
: 
 I rise on the first reading of this bill to support its referral to the Finance and Expenditure Committee. It has been a very interesting debate. We had a 10-minute contribution from Mr McNair of New Zealand First who railed against foreign-owned banks only for us to find that New Zealand First members do not belong to the New Zealand - owned bank—Kiwibank—that a number of New Zealand’s members of Parliament are members of. So for all the criticism that New Zealand First had about foreign-owned banks we could not get a clear answer from the member about what bank he belonged to. 
We had a 10-minute contribution from John Key who as is always the case when it comes to National Party tax policy flip-flopped. He could not work out where National stood on it or what it was doing about it because when it comes to tax his party cannot make up its mind. Don Brash is still rolling him in the caucus room. 
CRAIG McNAIR (NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. Under Standing Order 106 I raise an issue regarding the speech given by the member who has just spoken. He said that I said that no New Zealand First members were members of Kiwibank. I never said that and that is not true. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The member has made his point.
Vote: New Zealand Trade and Enterprise Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Vote: New Zealand Trade and Enterprise Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:609;Page:6306] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 9 
Green Party 9. 
Noes 110 
Labour 52; New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Tony Ryall to clause 20 be agreed to: 
to add the following subclause: 
(2)The board must as soon as practicable after approving delegations publish a copy of it in the  
Gazette 
.
Vote: Land Transport Management Bill — Second Reading 
Vote: Land Transport Management Bill — Second Reading 
[Volume:612;Page:9336] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments recommended by the Transport and Industrial Relations Committee by majority be agreed to. 
Ayes 69 
New Zealand Labour 52; Green Party 9; United Future 8. 
Noes 48 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8. 
Question agreed to.
English Bill: Debate on Crown Entities Public Organisations and State Enterprises — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
English Bill: Debate on Crown Entities Public Organisations and State Enterprises — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:617;Page:13235] 
Hon BILL ENGLISH (National—Clutha-Southland) 
: 
 That then raises an issue that is Government business which is why has it scheduled this debate before the select committees have completed their work if the 6-months’ deadline has not expired?
Cullen Michael: Business Statement 
Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume 
Cullen Michael: Business Statement 
[Sitting date: 19 June 2003. Volume:609;Page:6413. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 Next week in the House the main items of business will be the remaining stages of the Injury Prevention Rehabilitation and Compensation Amendment Bill and those first readings not completed today. Wednesday is members’ day.
Cullen Michael: Business Statement 
Cullen Michael: Business Statement 
[Volume:608;Page:5983] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 Next week the House will go into a 2-week adjournment. When the House resumes on Tuesday 10 June it is the intention to make progress on the Courts and Criminal Matters Bill the Industry New Zealand and Trade New Zealand Integration Bill the Crimes Amendment Bill (No 6) and the third reading of the Minimum Wage Amendment Bill. The first Wednesday of course is a members’ day. Over the next sitting period it is also the Government’s intention to conclude the debates on the performance and current operations of Crown entities public organisations and State enterprises and the Appropriation (2002/03 Supplementary Estimates) Bill including the second reading of an Imprest Supply Bill.
Robertson H V Ross: General Debates 
Robertson H V Ross: General Debates 
[Volume:611;Page:8540] 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Members can talk to the Speaker about anything that they wish. They may not try to intimidate the Speaker. It is up to the Speaker as to what if any action he takes. I chose to take none in recognising the points that were made.
Vote: Diplomatic Privileges and Immunities Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Diplomatic Privileges and Immunities Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:615;Page:11262] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 46 
New Zealand National 25; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 7; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Noes 71 
New Zealand Labour 52; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to.
Tizard Judith: Parental Leave and Employment Protection Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Tizard Judith: Parental Leave and Employment Protection Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:621;Page:16480] 
Hon JUDITH TIZARD (Minister of Consumer Affairs) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Vote: Customs and Excise Amendment Bill Immigration Amendment Bill (No 3) — Third Readings 
Vote: Customs and Excise Amendment Bill Immigration Amendment Bill (No 3) — Third Readings 
[Volume:618;Page:13989] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Customs and Excise Amendment Bill be now read a third time. 
Ayes 62 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; Progressive 2. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Bill read a third time.
Vote: Foreshore and Seabed Bill — In Committee Procedure 
Vote: Foreshore and Seabed Bill — In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:621;Page:17143] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments as amended be agreed to 
. 
Ayes 74 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand First 13; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 46 
New Zealand National 27; Green Party 9; ACT New Zealand 8; Maori Party 1; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Amendments as amended agreed to.
Pettis Jill: Crimes Amendment Bill (No 6) — In Committee Third Reading 
Pettis Jill: Crimes Amendment Bill (No 6) — In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:609;Page:7105] 
JILL PETTIS (NZ Labour—Whanganui) 
: 
 That was a tragic speech and I do not use the word lightly from a tragic party that sat there for 9 long years and did very little—I am being generous by saying very little—did nothing to address the causes of crime in this country. In fact its legislation increased the incidence of crime. There are those of us on this side of the House who make the connection between social policy and what happens in the criminal world. I remind that member that she stuck her hand up for the introduction of market rents for the poorest group in society in this country. That was punishing the poor for being poor. That member has had the privilege of leading a very privileged life. That member has never had to grub around looking for bread to put on her table— 
Hon Georgina te Heuheu 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. That is an aspersion against me and my family of whom the speaker has no knowledge whatsoever. I ask you to ask her to withdraw and apologise. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: The member has taken offence at a personal reflection under Standing Order 117. The member will now stand withdraw and apologise. 
JILL PETTIS 
: I will withdraw and apologise. Every person in this House is privileged. I am a privileged member of society. As a child I led a privileged life because I have a wonderful mother. That is a privilege. If that member does not think that that is a privilege I pity her judgment on the important things in life. I might have lived on the poor side of town in a State house but I am still very privileged because I had a strong and resourceful mother. That is privilege. 
Lindsay Tisch 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. We are straying very much off the bill and the debate is getting personal. We support this bill and I would have thought that the Government member would be saying something to support her own Government bill and to stay on the topic so it can be expedited. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Thank you very much. Can the member come to the point please. 
JILL PETTIS 
: The first few comments are always in rebuttal just as the previous member strayed from the topic and spoke about Mr Goff shaking hands with Mr Arafat. I do not know what that has to do with the Crimes Amendment Bill (No 6). I say that I am proud of what this Government has done to address the causes of crime in this country. New Zealand is one of the few countries that does not have legislation about computer offences with particular reference to this type of legislation. This Government is addressing the inadequacies of the previous Government and I am proud to support this bill.
Mackey Janet: Care of Children Bill — First Reading 
Mackey Janet: Care of Children Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:609;Page:6713] 
JANET MACKEY (NZ Labour—East Coast) 
: 
 I look forward to National supporting the bill in the interests of increased transparency of the Family Court. One thing this bill sets out to do is to seek increased transparency. Anyone who does constituency clinics will know that Family Court matters and matters of custody in families are some of the most difficult most complex and saddest cases that come before us. 
This bill responds to the rights of children to have access to both parents and the responsibility of parents to ensure that in the breakdown of a marriage the needs of the children continue to be met. The bill also deals with the issue of the privacy and secrecy of the Family Court which at the present time is causing grief to so many families. I support the bill and I look forward to National doing the same.
Cullen Michael: Financial Review Debate — Procedure In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Cullen Michael: Financial Review Debate — Procedure In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:616;Page:11843] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 My understanding is that we will proceed to the Speaker’s votes—I understand that no members will be speaking on those—to the Prime Minister’s votes and then on down in terms of the order of ranking in Cabinet. [ 
Interruption 
] It is always an interesting one and I think it is one that members were not entirely prepared for. Perhaps if I could take leave that we deal with the financial statement debate as if it were actually the debate on the financial reviews on my own votes because I think that is probably what members have prepared for at this point. Perhaps members will be more aware next year of the nature of the Standing Order. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: Is there any objection to that course? Leave is granted for that.
Vote: Holidays Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Vote: Holidays Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:614;Page:10543] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 9 
Green Party 9. 
Noes 107 
New Zealand Labour 52; New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 6; United Future 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Amendments not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Sue Bradford to clause 46 be agreed to: 
to omit from subclause (1) the words “the time actually worked on the day” and substitute the words “the hours ordinarily worked on the day”.
Peck Mark: Ngati Awa Claims Settlement Bill — In Committee Procedure 
Peck Mark: Ngati Awa Claims Settlement Bill — In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:623;Page:18825] 
MARK PECK (Labour—Invercargill) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Vote: Gambling Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Vote: Gambling Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:611;Page:8514] 
A party vote was called for on the question T 
hat Part 4 as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 62 
Labour 52; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 55 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 6; Green Party 9. 
Part 4 as amended agreed to.
Yates Dianne: Gambling Amendment Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
Yates Dianne: Gambling Amendment Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:625;Page:19846] 
DIANNE YATES (Labour—Hamilton East) 
: 
 I thank the previous speaker for his cooperation both in the Government Administration Committee and in the House on the Gambling Amendment Bill which is designed to allow elected members of licensing trusts and community trusts to be involved in decisions on the distribution of gaming-machine proceeds to that community. The main concerns of the committee were that the distribution of the proceeds should be transparent and that there should be accountability from the elected members and we were assured of that. 
One organisation the committee was particularly impressed with was West Auckland Trust Services which presented us with its method of distribution and showed us that it also polled its community as to the community’s priorities in terms of where those funds should be distributed. We thought that was an excellent example to other trusts to poll their community as to whether they wanted the funding to be distributed to education arts sports and so on. The West Auckland Trust Services distribution chart was based on its polling which we thought was a very good example to other elected trusts in this regard. I wish to support this bill and look forward to its continued progress through the House.
Goff Phil: Debate on Prime Minister’s Statement 
Goff Phil: Debate on Prime Minister’s Statement 
[Volume:606;Page:3294] 
Hon PHIL GOFF (Minister of Foreign Affairs and Trade) 
: 
 I guess it is hard for an Opposition when unemployment has just fallen to 4.9 percent which is less than half of what it was under a National Government through most of the 1990s and when growth is at 3.9 percent—the highest rate of growth in this country in decades. It is even harder when that Opposition is a rump of a once-fine party and when the Leader of the Opposition has so patently failed that we will see in this House member after member of the National caucus stand up in the hope that the leadership position could be his or hers.
Cullen Michael: Points of Order — Standing Order 38—Minister Not Present Parliament Buildings—Media Access Standing Order 38—Minister Not Present  
Cullen Michael: Points of Order — Standing Order 38—Minister Not Present Parliament Buildings—Media Access Standing Order 38—Minister Not Present  
[Volume:624;Page:19682] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I will respond to one point that Mr Franks made. Mr Franks rightly made the point that leave can be denied by one member of the House. But the implication of what he said was that when leave is denied for something—and leave is sought for many things—the Government is not able to use any other mechanisms. Of course frequently the Government uses other mechanisms when leave is denied. To take a very obvious example which we may well see some time in the near future—[ 
Interruption 
] 
Madam SPEAKER 
: Will the member please leave the House. A point of order is being spoken to. As the member is quite aware it shall be heard in silence. 
Hon Bill English withdrew from the Chamber. 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN 
: For example the Government may seek leave to have a Supplementary Order Paper that is outside the scope of the bill considered as part of the bill. If that leave is denied the Government does not just say “Well that’s it.” Normally the Government would move a motion in order to enable the Committee of the whole House to consider it and would then use the majority at the cost of a debate to overtake the situation where leave has been denied. I think Mr Frank’s assertion that simply because leave is denied for something the Government cannot use any other leave that is available to it to achieve its objectives is one that cannot stand because it would be quite a dangerous assertion within the proceedings of Parliament.
Vote: Ngaa Rauru Kiitahi Claims Settlement Bill — In Committee Third Reading 
Vote: Ngaa Rauru Kiitahi Claims Settlement Bill — In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:627;Page:21918] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 55 
New Zealand National 25; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 9; United Future 8. 
Noes 63 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; Progressive 2; Maori Party 1. 
Amendment not agreed to.
Vote: Members of Parliament (Pecuniary Interests) Bill — First Reading 
Vote: Members of Parliament (Pecuniary Interests) Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:612;Page:9281] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Members of Parliament (Pecuniary Interests) Bill be now read a first time. 
Ayes 87 
New Zealand Labour 52; New Zealand National 18; Green Party 9; United Future 8. 
Noes 21 
New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8. 
Bill read a first time and referred to the Standing Orders Committee.
Motions — Civil Emergency—Lower North Island 
Motions — Civil Emergency—Lower North Island 
[Volume:615;Page:10997] 
Tuesday 17 February 2004 
Mr Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Prayers 
. 
Motions 
Civil Emergency—Lower North Island 
SIMON POWER (National—Rangitikei) 
: 
 I move  
That this House notes the severe flooding and damage to houses bridges power and water supply and telecommunications that have hit the Rangitikei Horowhenua and the lower North Island and expresses its sympathy to those who have been affected; and further that this House commends the emergency services and hundreds of volunteers who have worked during this disaster in many cases with little sleep since Sunday 
. 
Motion agreed to.
Vote: Consumer Protection (Definitions of Goods and Services) Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Consumer Protection (Definitions of Goods and Services) Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:609;Page:6895] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 35 
New Zealand National 27; ACT New Zealand 8. 
Noes 81 
Labour 52; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 8; United Future 8. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Tony Ryall to clause 6(1) be agreed to: 
to omit paragraph (b)(vii) of section 2(1) from the definition of  
goods 
.
Maharey Steve: Television New Zealand Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Maharey Steve: Television New Zealand Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:606;Page:3766] 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY (Minister of Broadcasting) 
: 
 I was going to rise to answer some questions that Mr McCully asked of me but as he did not ask any questions I am afraid I cannot speak for very long.
Pillay Lynne: Taxation (Annual Rates Venture Capital and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill — In Committee Procedure 
Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume 
Pillay Lynne: Taxation (Annual Rates Venture Capital and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill — In Committee Procedure 
[Sitting date: 14 December 2004. Volume:622;Page:17813. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
LYNNE PILLAY (Labour—Waitakere) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Pettis Jill: Gambling Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Pettis Jill: Gambling Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:611;Page:8480] 
JILL PETTIS (Junior Whip—NZ Labour) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.