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Vote: Corrections (Contract Management of Prisons) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Third Reading 
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Vote: Corrections (Contract Management of Prisons) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Third Reading 
[Sitting date: 24 November 2009. Volume:659;Page:8105. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 1 be agreed to. 
Ayes 68 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; Maori Party 4; United Future 1. 
Noes 53 
New Zealand Labour 43; Green Party 9; Progressive 1. 
Part 1 agreed to.
Vote: Corrections (Contract Management of Prisons) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Third Reading 
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Vote: Corrections (Contract Management of Prisons) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Third Reading 
[Sitting date: 24 November 2009. Volume:659;Page:8105. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 53 
New Zealand Labour 43; Green Party 9; Progressive 1. 
Noes 68 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; Maori Party 4; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to.
Vote: Corrections (Contract Management of Prisons) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Third Reading 
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Vote: Corrections (Contract Management of Prisons) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Third Reading 
[Sitting date: 24 November 2009. Volume:659;Page:8104. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 53 
New Zealand Labour 43; Green Party 9; Progressive 1. 
Noes 68 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; Maori Party 4; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 88 in the name of the Hon Rick Barker to clause 5 be agreed to.
Vote: Corrections (Contract Management of Prisons) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Third Reading 
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Vote: Corrections (Contract Management of Prisons) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Third Reading 
[Sitting date: 24 November 2009. Volume:659;Page:8104. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to.  
Ayes 53 
New Zealand Labour 43; Green Party 9; Progressive 1. 
Noes 68 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; Maori Party 4; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 87 in the name of the Hon Rick Barker to clause 5 be agreed to.
Vote: Corrections (Contract Management of Prisons) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Third Reading 
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Vote: Corrections (Contract Management of Prisons) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Third Reading 
[Sitting date: 24 November 2009. Volume:659;Page:8104. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 68 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; Maori Party 4; United Future 1. 
Noes 53 
New Zealand Labour 43; Green Party 9; Progressive 1. 
Motion agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 86 in the name of the Hon Rick Barker to clause 5 be agreed to.
Roy Eric: Corrections (Contract Management of Prisons) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Third Reading 
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Roy Eric: Corrections (Contract Management of Prisons) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Third Reading 
[Sitting date: 24 November 2009. Volume:659;Page:8103. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy) 
: I thank members for their contribution. Let me address these matters in no particular order of importance starting with the last point. Of course the Speaker cannot make an assumption based on an interaction between whips or anything else but I think the House is appreciative of the comments made by the Leader of the House the Hon Gerry Brownlee. 
With regard to the expectation about how much of an urgency motion will be devoted to a debate that is the sole prerogative of the presiding officer. Irrespective of the stage a bill is at it has always been tradition that members who would like to continue to debate have to by their actions persuade the presiding officer that the debate will be relevant not repetitious and a whole range of other things. It is solely the presiding officer who determines whether to accept a closure motion at a particular time. Ultimately the test is when the House has to vote on that motion. There have been times when closure motions have been defeated. When the House has seven parties as it does now that is more likely to occur. 
I will acquaint the House with a couple of Speakers’ rulings that I think are quite pertinent on this occasion. Speakers’ ruling 77/1 states: “The chairperson is judge of all matters arising in committee and the Speaker will not interfere …”. The ruling goes on with some points about that. There is particular reference to closure in Speakers’ rulings 65/3 and 65/4. Speakers’ ruling 65/3 states: “The [chairperson] is the sole judge as to whether or not he ought to sanction the putting of the closure motion and it must be left entirely in his hands. The [chairperson] who has been presiding and has listened to the debate in committee must be the best judge whether the closure ought to be put.” There is a bit of a rider: “I can only express the hope that it will not be applied too harshly.” The Leader of the House has given some indication that there is some flexibility to address the desire of the House going forward. In that case I report to the House that I will not interfere with any decision made by the Chairperson in determining whether the closure motion should be put.
Brownlee Gerry: Corrections (Contract Management of Prisons) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Third Reading 
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Brownlee Gerry: Corrections (Contract Management of Prisons) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Third Reading 
[Sitting date: 24 November 2009. Volume:659;Page:8103. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I have been watching proceedings this evening from my office in the Beehive. I think the difficulty we have here is that the presiding officer has made a determination about the value of the debate continuing. I think it would be very unfortunate if that were to be in any way discussed or should I say overturned as a decision. There may be a way through this matter though because I do appreciate that members have pretty strong views on this issue. It is probably one of the strongest ideological divides that we have had in the House almost all year. I think it is important that all views are canvassed. 
I suggest Mr Speaker that you make your decision based on the pleadings that are in front of you. I suggest that if the whips were to confer we may well be able to make the debate on the next two parts quite wide ranging with the questions taken at the end of that. That would facilitate people being able to express their views without impugning the integrity of the officer in the Chair who has made in his opinion a proper decision that the Committee should accept with regard to the debate so far. If the Committee grants leave for the debate to be wide ranging then that is another matter. I do not know what the shadow Leader of the House thinks but we may confer and be able to come to some arrangement around that.
Hughes Darren: Corrections (Contract Management of Prisons) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Third Reading 
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Hughes Darren: Corrections (Contract Management of Prisons) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Third Reading 
[Sitting date: 24 November 2009. Volume:659;Page:8102. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon DARREN HUGHES (Senior Whip—Labour) 
: 
 Mr Speaker you have been recalled on the motion of the Opposition which is not something that we have at all made a practice of. The reason is that in the normal course of parliamentary business there is an unspoken tariff for how long a Committee stage should take and how long the debate on parts should take. The formula is set down in both  
Speakers’ Rulings 
 and the Standing Orders. There is also an understanding between the Government and the Opposition about how long the debate on different parts should take. In urgency it has always been accepted that a longer period will be given for the fact that normally Parliament would be moving through on a much slower process. Urgency brings that into a much tighter focus. A longer period of time is normally allowed for that. 
What makes it so critical on this particular bill is that the bulk of the bill sits in Part 1. The bill makes enormous changes to an important part of the State’s responsibility putting aside the different political differences. Everyone agrees that this is important legislation. We believed that there were members on this side who had not been given a chance to make a contribution. The presiding officer is under no obligation to call every single member but there were members who had been called ahead of those who had not yet made a contribution. 
The Opposition has put up amendments to this part—not a ridiculous number in order to slow things but a serious number for a bill on which there are sharp differences across the House. Government members began taking the closure motion quite early and it is well within their rights to use their call in that respect. But we would assert that the Chairman accepted the closure motion far too early given the importance of the bill the fact that the House is in urgency the fact that members of the Opposition had not spoken and the fact that we have put up amendments that we wish to speak to.
Tisch Lindsay: Corrections (Contract Management of Prisons) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Third Reading 
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Tisch Lindsay: Corrections (Contract Management of Prisons) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Third Reading 
[Sitting date: 24 November 2009. Volume:659;Page:8102. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: The Speaker has been recalled because Opposition members and the senior Labour Whip the Hon Darren Hughes believe they had other members who wished to speak and that I did not give adequate time for Opposition members to be part of the debate. My reasoning for accepting the closure motion was that this debate had been going for an hour and 43 minutes. Twelve Labour members three Green members and two Government members had spoken and the Minister had spoken three times. There was a lot of repetition; no new material was being debated. It was my view that the debate had run its course. I accepted the closure motion.
Hughes Darren: Corrections (Contract Management of Prisons) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Third Reading 
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Hughes Darren: Corrections (Contract Management of Prisons) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Third Reading 
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Hon DARREN HUGHES (Senior Whip—Labour) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: I hope you are not going to litigate the decision I have made. 
Hon DARREN HUGHES 
: I am reluctant to do it but we are in urgency. I think you have truncated this bill; all of the policy decisions are in Part 1. I move  
That the Speaker be recalled. 
Motion agreed to. 
House resumed.
Hughes Darren: Corrections (Contract Management of Prisons) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Third Reading 
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Hon DARREN HUGHES (Senior Whip—Labour) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I realise that you have to take into account a number of factors. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: I have ruled. 
Hon DARREN HUGHES 
: There are members who have been calling who have not had the chance to contribute to the debate. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: I understand but I have ruled. We have Part 2 coming up and then we have the other—[ 
Interruption 
] I have ruled! We have Part 2 we have the commencement and the other debates are still to continue.
Tisch Lindsay: Corrections (Contract Management of Prisons) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Third Reading 
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Tisch Lindsay: Corrections (Contract Management of Prisons) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Third Reading 
[Sitting date: 24 November 2009. Volume:659;Page:8102. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: I certainly thank the member for his comments and I have taken them into account. We have gone for an hour and 43 minutes on this. I have a list of who has spoken. There has been a lot of repetition; there has not been any new material that has come out in the last 40 minutes. I decided to accept the closure and I have put the motion.
Hughes Darren: Corrections (Contract Management of Prisons) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Third Reading 
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Hughes Darren: Corrections (Contract Management of Prisons) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Third Reading 
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Hon DARREN HUGHES (Senior Whip—Labour) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I was out in the lobby when I heard the closure motion being moved by the Government. It is standard practice for the Government to begin to move closure motions but the House is in urgency on this matter. We have completed Part 1 in Committee faster than we would have done under ordinary time for a bill where the main policy decisions are in Part 1. Under urgency normally there is a longer period for the Committee to consider that part of a bill. This is faster than normal.
Young Jonathan: Corrections (Contract Management of Prisons) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Third Reading 
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Young Jonathan: Corrections (Contract Management of Prisons) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Third Reading 
[Sitting date: 24 November 2009. Volume:659;Page:8101. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
JONATHAN YOUNG (National—New Plymouth) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: The question is that the question be now put.
Bridges Simon: Corrections (Contract Management of Prisons) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Third Reading 
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Bridges Simon: Corrections (Contract Management of Prisons) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Third Reading 
[Sitting date: 24 November 2009. Volume:659;Page:8099. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
SIMON BRIDGES (National—Tauranga) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
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Brownlee Gerry: Policing (Constable’s Oaths Validation) Amendment Bill — Procedure First Reading Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
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Brownlee Gerry: Policing (Constable’s Oaths Validation) Amendment Bill — Procedure First Reading Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
[Sitting date: 24 November 2009. Volume:659;Page:8078. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I seek leave for the Committee stage on this bill the Policing (Constable’s Oaths Validation) Amendment Bill to be taken as one debate with six questions at the end. 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Is there any objection to that course of action? There is no objection.
Goudie Sandra: Corrections (Contract Management of Prisons) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Third Reading 
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Goudie Sandra: Corrections (Contract Management of Prisons) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Third Reading 
[Sitting date: 24 November 2009. Volume:659;Page:8098. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
SANDRA GOUDIE (National—Coromandel) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
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Lee Melissa: Corrections (Contract Management of Prisons) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Third Reading 
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Lee Melissa: Corrections (Contract Management of Prisons) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Third Reading 
[Sitting date: 24 November 2009. Volume:659;Page:8097. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
MELISSA LEE (National) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
King Annette: Policing (Constable’s Oaths Validation) Amendment Bill — Procedure First Reading Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
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King Annette: Policing (Constable’s Oaths Validation) Amendment Bill — Procedure First Reading Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
[Sitting date: 24 November 2009. Volume:659;Page:8078. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon ANNETTE KING (Deputy Leader—Labour) 
: 
 The Labour Opposition supports the Government in the passage of the Policing (Constable’s Oaths Validation) Amendment Bill . 
Bill read a third time.
Collins Judith: Policing (Constable’s Oaths Validation) Amendment Bill — Procedure First Reading Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
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Collins Judith: Policing (Constable’s Oaths Validation) Amendment Bill — Procedure First Reading Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
[Sitting date: 24 November 2009. Volume:659;Page:8078. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon JUDITH COLLINS (Minister of Police) 
: 
 I move  
That the Policing (Constable’s Oaths Validation) Amendment Bill be now read a third time 
. I take another opportunity to thank all members of the House for the extremely constructive way in which they have dealt with this amendment bill. 
It is validating legislation. It will deem oaths of office taken by Police employees between 1 October 2008 and 12 October 2009 to have been administered as though the persons administering those oaths had been authorised by the Commissioner of Police. It removes any uncertainty about conferral of constabulary powers for those Police employees. It is a very simple administrative provision. It fixes the matter. I commend this bill to the House. 
Sitting suspended from 6 p.m. to 7 p.m.
King Annette: Policing (Constable’s Oaths Validation) Amendment Bill — Procedure First Reading Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
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King Annette: Policing (Constable’s Oaths Validation) Amendment Bill — Procedure First Reading Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
[Sitting date: 24 November 2009. Volume:659;Page:8078. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon ANNETTE KING (Deputy Leader—Labour) 
: 
 There are four clauses in this bill: clause 1 specifies the title clause 2 specifies the commencement date clause 3 specifies the principal Act the bill is amending and clause 4 validates the constables’ oaths taken by police employees from and including 1 October 2008 through to the close of 12 October 2009 which had not been administered in accordance with section 22 of the principal Act. There are no issues to raise other than that. 
Clauses 1 to 4 agreed to. 
Bill reported without amendment. 
Report adopted.
King Annette: Policing (Constable’s Oaths Validation) Amendment Bill — Procedure First Reading Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
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King Annette: Policing (Constable’s Oaths Validation) Amendment Bill — Procedure First Reading Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
[Sitting date: 24 November 2009. Volume:659;Page:8077. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon ANNETTE KING (Deputy Leader—Labour) 
: 
 I rise to support the Minister of Police in passing through all stages the Policing (Constable’s Oaths Validation) Amendment Bill 2009 today. The Minister has clearly set out the reasons for this bill and I am pleased that members are supporting the Minister in ensuring that it passes smoothly through the House. 
The Policing Act 2008 replaced 50-year-old legislation. It was legislation that went through a very long process. There was a 2-year process of consultation consensus agreement and finally the passage of the bill. A positioning paper put out for consultation was followed up with something like eight scoping papers that addressed many parts of the old Police Act then a consultation document and finally a draft bill. Throughout that process there was close collaboration and work between all parties in the House and I think it was one of those bills where there was buy-in by all parties to ensure that we got legislation for the police of New Zealand that had the broad support of this Parliament. As the former Minister of Police that was really important to me. 
At the time of the passage of the bill I thanked the parties that had been involved and worked so constructively to ensure we had good legislation. We thought everything was right in the bill but we now find that there could be a technical error in it. Therefore we ought to correct it as quickly as possible. As the Minister pointed out in the past at the swearing in of a new police officer the oath was taken before a justice or commissioned officer of police. The new Act changed that process. A new process was put in place one that I think was definitely an oversight so the police carried on with the old requirements under the old Act. This legislation will ensure that it will validate any of those oaths that were taken in the period that the Minister has already set out. 
I say to the Minister that we support her in this measure. We do not wish to delay it longer than is necessary and I hope that the House can see the bill passed speedily. It was suggested to me that there could be some people out there who would be cheering if they thought their arrest for a particular issue during the stated period now no longer stands. We can assure them that that is not the case. The officers who were sworn in under the amended regime will be just as well sworn in after the passage of this bill. I commend this bill to the House. 
Bill read a second time.
Collins Judith: Policing (Constable’s Oaths Validation) Amendment Bill — Procedure First Reading Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
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Collins Judith: Policing (Constable’s Oaths Validation) Amendment Bill — Procedure First Reading Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
[Sitting date: 24 November 2009. Volume:659;Page:8076. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon JUDITH COLLINS (Minister of Police) 
: 
 I move  
That the Policing (Constable’s Oaths Validation) Amendment Bill be now read a first time 
. 
Bill read a first time.
Brownlee Gerry: Policing (Constable’s Oaths Validation) Amendment Bill — Procedure First Reading Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
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Brownlee Gerry: Policing (Constable’s Oaths Validation) Amendment Bill — Procedure First Reading Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
[Sitting date: 24 November 2009. Volume:659;Page:8076. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I seek leave for there to be one debate of 12 10-minute speeches on the motion that the Policing (Constable’s Oaths Validation) Amendment Bill be now read a second time. 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Is there any objection to that course of action? There is no objection.
Vote: Climate Change Response (Moderated Emissions Trading) Amendment Bill — In Committee Third Reading 
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Vote: Climate Change Response (Moderated Emissions Trading) Amendment Bill — In Committee Third Reading 
[Sitting date: 24 November 2009. Volume:659;Page:8076. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Climate Change Response (Moderated Emissions Trading) Amendment Bill be now read a third time. 
Ayes 63 
New Zealand National 58; Maori Party 4; United Future 1. 
Noes 58 
New Zealand Labour 43; Green Party 9; ACT New Zealand 5; Progressive 1. 
Bill read a third time.
Vote: Climate Change Response (Moderated Emissions Trading) Amendment Bill — In Committee Third Reading 
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Vote: Climate Change Response (Moderated Emissions Trading) Amendment Bill — In Committee Third Reading 
[Sitting date: 24 November 2009. Volume:659;Page:8052. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That clause 3 be agreed to. 
Ayes 63 
New Zealand National 58; Maori Party 4; United Future 1. 
Noes 58 
New Zealand Labour 43; Green Party 9; ACT New Zealand 5; Progressive 1. 
Clause 3 agreed to. 
Bill reported with amendment. 
Report adopted.
Vote: Climate Change Response (Moderated Emissions Trading) Amendment Bill — In Committee Third Reading 
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Vote: Climate Change Response (Moderated Emissions Trading) Amendment Bill — In Committee Third Reading 
[Sitting date: 24 November 2009. Volume:659;Page:8052. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That clause 2 be agreed to.  
Ayes 63 
New Zealand National 58; Maori Party 4; United Future 1. 
Noes 58 
New Zealand Labour 43; Green Party 9; ACT New Zealand 5; Progressive 1. 
Clause 2 agreed to.
Vote: Climate Change Response (Moderated Emissions Trading) Amendment Bill — In Committee Third Reading 
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Vote: Climate Change Response (Moderated Emissions Trading) Amendment Bill — In Committee Third Reading 
[Sitting date: 24 November 2009. Volume:659;Page:8052. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That clause 1 be agreed to. 
Ayes 63 
New Zealand National 58; Maori Party 4; United Future 1. 
Noes 58 
New Zealand Labour 43; Green Party 9; ACT New Zealand 5; Progressive 1. 
Clause 1 agreed to.
Roy Eric: Climate Change Response (Moderated Emissions Trading) Amendment Bill — In Committee Third Reading 
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Roy Eric: Climate Change Response (Moderated Emissions Trading) Amendment Bill — In Committee Third Reading 
[Sitting date: 24 November 2009. Volume:659;Page:8051. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: I will quote Speakers’ ruling 112/4 because I am going to rule out some of the amendments to clause 1. Speakers’ ruling 112/4 states: “An amendment to the title of a bill must be a serious or objective description of the bill rather than an attempt to criticise its contents.” In that respect I am ruling out the following amendments in the name of the Hon David Parker: to omit clause 1 and substitute “This Act is the Permanent Pollution Payments Entrenchment Bill.” to omit clause 1 and substitute “This Act is the Climate Change Response (Increased Government Debt) Amendment Bill.” and— 
Hon David Cunliffe 
: I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I appreciate that you are in the process of ruling and it is with some hesitation that I raise this point. You have referred to a Speakers’ ruling that requires your ruling to be based upon an assessment that the nature of the amendments is first an attempt to be pejorative and second not based in fact. Now taking as an example the one by my colleague the Hon David Parker around permanent pollution payments the Government’s own analysis indicates that there is an infinite stream of subsidies and that the phase-out rate does not reach zero. I would submit to you that in fact the amendment is a perfectly accurate description of the bill. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: I have had plenty of time to give this matter serious consideration and I have looked at other precedents. I am ruling out these amendments specifically because of the ruling’s words “a serious or objective description”. They are ruled out for that reason. Furthermore the amendment in the name of the Hon David Parker to omit clause 1 and substitute “This Act is the Greenhouse Gas Emissions Property Rights Creation Bill.” the amendment in the name of Russel Norman to omit clause 1 and substitute “This Act is the Climate Change Response (Polluters Get Paid) Amendment Bill” and the amendment in the name of Russel Norman to omit clause 1 and substitute “This Act is the Climate Change Response (Payday for Polluters) Amendment Bill.” are also ruled out of order.
Vote: Climate Change Response (Moderated Emissions Trading) Amendment Bill — In Committee Third Reading 
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Vote: Climate Change Response (Moderated Emissions Trading) Amendment Bill — In Committee Third Reading 
[Sitting date: 24 November 2009. Volume:659;Page:8051. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 53 
New Zealand Labour 43; Green Party 9; Progressive 1. 
Noes 68 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; Maori Party 4; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to.
Vote: Climate Change Response (Moderated Emissions Trading) Amendment Bill — In Committee Third Reading 
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Vote: Climate Change Response (Moderated Emissions Trading) Amendment Bill — In Committee Third Reading 
[Sitting date: 24 November 2009. Volume:659;Page:8051. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 63 
New Zealand National 58; Maori Party 4; United Future 1. 
Noes 58 
New Zealand Labour 43; Green Party 9; ACT New Zealand 5; Progressive 1. 
Motion agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon David Parker to clause 1 be agreed to: 
to omit this clause and substitute the following new clause: 
1Title 
This Act is the Climate Change Response (Increased Emissions) Amendment Bill.
Wagner Nicky: Climate Change Response (Moderated Emissions Trading) Amendment Bill — In Committee Third Reading 
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Wagner Nicky: Climate Change Response (Moderated Emissions Trading) Amendment Bill — In Committee Third Reading 
[Sitting date: 24 November 2009. Volume:659;Page:8050. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
NICKY WAGNER (National) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Smith Lockwood: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Smith Lockwood: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Sitting date: 24 November 2009. Volume:659;Page:8031. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I call Metiria Turei. [ 
Interruption 
] I apologise to the member but I am on my feet; I ask her to resume her seat. I have called a member and I have dealt with the points of order that were raised earlier and I do not think it is very helpful for members to be continuing to interject across the House. I call Metiria Turei.
Goodhew Jo: Climate Change Response (Moderated Emissions Trading) Amendment Bill — In Committee Third Reading 
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Goodhew Jo: Climate Change Response (Moderated Emissions Trading) Amendment Bill — In Committee Third Reading 
[Sitting date: 24 November 2009. Volume:659;Page:8047. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
JO GOODHEW (Junior Whip—National) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Smith Lockwood: Points of Order — Reserves and Other Lands Disposal Bill—Letter to the Speaker 
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Smith Lockwood: Points of Order — Reserves and Other Lands Disposal Bill—Letter to the Speaker 
[Sitting date: 24 November 2009. Volume:659;Page:8038. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The member has written to me about this matter. The member is perfectly at liberty to come and see me about it but it is not a matter for the order of the House.
Norman Russel: Points of Order — Reserves and Other Lands Disposal Bill—Letter to the Speaker 
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Norman Russel: Points of Order — Reserves and Other Lands Disposal Bill—Letter to the Speaker 
[Sitting date: 24 November 2009. Volume:659;Page:8038. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Dr RUSSEL NORMAN (Co-Leader—Green) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I waited until the end of question time before raising this matter. As you may know I have written to you regarding the Reserves and Other Lands Disposal Bill. I wonder whether you could give an indication as to when you may be able to respond regarding the order of including the private matter within that bill. I wonder whether you have had a chance to look at it.
Henare Tau: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Henare Tau: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Sitting date: 24 November 2009. Volume:659;Page:8036. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
11.  
Hon TAU HENARE (National) 
 to the  
Minister of Immigration 
: What announcements has the Government made on the introduction of the Silver Fern Visa? 
Hon Dr JONATHAN COLEMAN (Minister of Immigration) 
: 
 Today the Government announced the launch of the Silver Fern Visa. It is designed to attract highly skilled young people to New Zealand. The Silver Fern Visa creates a pathway to residency for young people educated overseas and fulfils the National Party’s manifesto commitment to access higher-level skills for the economy. 
Hon Tau Henare 
: How will the new Silver Fern Visa policy work? 
Hon Dr JONATHAN COLEMAN 
: Applicants with high educational qualifications aged between 20 and 35 will be eligible to apply for one of 300 Silver Fern Jobseeker Visas issued annually. This gives them 9 months to search for a skilled job. Once they have skilled employment they get a further 2-year permit that will allow them to gain points under the skilled migrant category and apply for residence. The Silver Fern Visa is about attracting the right skills and matching them to the employment needs of the economy.
Vote: Climate Change Response (Moderated Emissions Trading) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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[Sitting date: 24 November 2009. Volume:659;Page:8015. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 2 as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 63 
New Zealand National 58; Maori Party 4; United Future 1. 
Noes 58 
New Zealand Labour 43; Green Party 9; ACT New Zealand 5; Progressive 1. 
Part 2 as amended agreed to.
Parker David: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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8.  
Hon DAVID PARKER (Labour) 
 to the  
Minister for ACC 
: Does he think it is fair that his Injury Prevention Rehabilitation and Compensation Bill will determine the threshold for entitlements to hearing aids rather than clinical need? 
Hon Dr NICK SMITH (Minister for ACC) 
: 
 Yes because the law in respect of accident compensation is about defining the extent of the scheme. A scheme with no limits is unaffordable. Other schemes like WorkCover in Australia also have a 6 percent threshold for hearing aid entitlement. 
Hon David Parker 
: Is he aware that a man in his 50s with up to 6 percent noise-related hearing loss cannot hear birds sing misses most of what his grandchildren say to him and needs a hearing aid? 
Hon Dr NICK SMITH 
: No I do not accept that. The advice that I have received is that the 6 percent limit is a reasonable limit to the point where a hearing aid actually becomes useful. It is a standard that is used in a number of parts of the world. However the bill is before a select committee and I will wait for the select committee to report back to the House before making final decisions on the bill. 
Hon David Parker 
: How can he deny criticisms that it is cynical to take away people’s right to sue for work-related hearing loss of up to 6 percent but then say they will be included in accident compensation cover so they have no right to sue when they cannot get a hearing aid or any other treatment? 
Hon Dr NICK SMITH 
: I am advised that it is highly unlikely that for industrial hearing loss any case could be pursued in the courts under normal tort. The reasons are firstly that it is normally after a very long period and secondly in terms of the proof of fault that is very unlikely. 
Hon David Parker 
: Why does he continue to say workers in Australia with up to 6 percent work-related hearing loss cannot get a hearing aid when they can because the decision is a clinical one in the likes of Victoria and South Australia? 
Hon Dr NICK SMITH 
: There is some variation from state to state in Australia. In New South Wales it is a 6 percent rate. But the decision will still be left to clinicians in the same way as many other parts of the accident compensation law set out the threshold at which a person gains an entitlement. 
Hon David Parker 
: I seek leave to table a document showing that in Victoria there is no threshold and one can get a hearing aid for work-related hearing loss at 6 percent and similarly for South Australia. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: What is the source of the document? 
Hon David Parker 
: It is information that has been provided to me by audiologists in New Zealand. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to table a document provided by audiologists in New Zealand on the thresholds for hearing aid entitlement in Australia. Is there any objection to that document being tabled? There is no objection. 
Document by leave laid on the Table of the House.
Cosgrove Clayton: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Hon CLAYTON COSGROVE (Labour—Waimakariri) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. Although not wishing to challenge your ruling— 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I hope not. 
Hon CLAYTON COSGROVE 
: —could I just seek your advice or ask for your reflection. Yesterday you observed what you termed an abuse of the point of order process by a colleague of mine and I think that last week you docked a supplementary question off my colleague Mr Hodgson. A similar abuse of the point of order process has happened today and the member simply got a slap on the wrist. I invite you to reflect on that. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I point out to the member that I am the sole judge in these matters and when I got to my feet the member responded by sitting down. If the member abuses the point of order system again I will treat it very severely. When I do treat it more severely is when a member does not respond to my getting to my feet and asking the member to resume his or her seat. That is when I take a very dim view of the matter. I have called Metiria Turei and I would appreciate the House allowing her to ask her question.
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5.  
ALLAN PEACHEY (National—Tamaki) 
 to the  
Minister for Tertiary Education 
: What progress has been made on the Government’s summer research scholarships? 
Hon ANNE TOLLEY (Minister for Tertiary Education) 
: 
 I am pleased to tell the House that 1600 places for the summer research scholarships that the Government promised and jointly funded with the New Zealand universities have been filled. Many of these students started their scholarships last week and will be beginning their placements in universities so that they can further their studies and gain some income over the summer months. 
Allan Peachey 
: Why did the Government decide to fund the summer research scholarships? 
Hon ANNE TOLLEY 
: The scholarships were first mooted at the Prime Minister’s Job Summit at the beginning of the year and the Government agreed to meet the universities dollar for dollar up to $4 million in Budget 2009. These opportunities are important for the young people who have obtained them and these extra places also help to free up other job opportunities for students over the summer period. 
Hon Maryan Street 
: How do the short-term summer scholarships help the 2000 - plus mainly low-decile students who had their Step Up and bonded merit scholarships scrapped by this Government? 
Hon ANNE TOLLEY 
: Again I say to that member that $521 million was promised by the previous Government in tertiary education and not funded. There were some changes to some of those smaller programmes but they have been well taken care of. I remind the member of the 2000 Youth Guarantee places that will be funded next year and will take many of those students.
Flavell Te Ururoa: Climate Change Response (Moderated Emissions Trading) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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TE URUROA FLAVELL (Whip—Maori Party) 
: 
 I thank Darren Hughes. The Maori Party vote should have been recorded as four against. That number has been consistent throughout the morning. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Rick Barker) 
: Is the member seeking leave to change the vote from five to four? 
TE URUROA FLAVELL 
: I seek leave to have our vote changed accordingly. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Rick Barker) 
: Leave is sought. Is there any objection to that course of action being followed? There is none. The vote is now amended and the Ayes recorded as 53 and the Noes as 68. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Rahui Katene to clause 38 be agreed to: 
to insert in new section 161(5) the following paragraph: 
“(ab)must consult persons (or their representatives) that appear to the panel likely to have an interest in the review; and”. 
Amendment agreed to. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Rick Barker) 
: The amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 92 in the name of Dr Kennedy Graham to new section 160 in clause 38 is ruled out of order as being inconsistent with a previous decision. 
The amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 94 in the name of Charles Chauvel to new sections 160 and 161 in clause 38 is ruled out of order as being inconsistent with a previous decision. 
The amendments in the name of Charles Chauvel to amend subsection (2) omit subsections (6) to (8) amend subsection (9) and add new subsection (10) in new section 161A in clause 38 are ruled out of order as being inconsistent with a previous decision of the Committee. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 94 in the name of Charles Chauvel to insert new clause 41A be agreed to.
Vote: Climate Change Response (Moderated Emissions Trading) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 63 
New Zealand National 58; Maori Party 4; United Future 1. 
Noes 58 
New Zealand Labour 43; Green Party 9; ACT New Zealand 5; Progressive 1. 
New schedule agreed to.
Vote: Climate Change Response (Moderated Emissions Trading) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 53 
New Zealand Labour 43; Green Party 9; Progressive 1. 
Noes 68 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; Maori Party 4; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to.
Vote: Climate Change Response (Moderated Emissions Trading) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 63 
New Zealand National 58; Maori Party 4; United Future 1. 
Noes 58 
New Zealand Labour 43; Green Party 9; ACT New Zealand 5; Progressive 1. 
Amendment agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 94 in the name of Charles Chauvel to add new clause 67 be agreed to.
Chauvel Charles: Climate Change Response (Moderated Emissions Trading) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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CHARLES CHAUVEL (Labour) 
: 
 I understand that there is going to be a wide-ranging debate on the title and commencement of the legislation and that it is unlikely that calls will be taken on this part. I just wanted to advise the Committee of that understanding. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Rick Barker) 
: If there is no further debate on Part 2 we will move to the amendments. 
Hon Steve Chadwick 
: Do we vote on Part 2? 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Rick Barker) 
: Yes. I am moving to the amendments. That is why I said to the Committee that we are now moving to the amendments which means we will have a vote. Unusual for the House I know but brace yourselves members. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 98 in the name of Hon Dr Nick Smith to Part 2 be agreed to.
Vote: Climate Change Response (Moderated Emissions Trading) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 1 as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 63 
New Zealand National 58; Maori Party 4; United Future 1. 
Noes 58 
New Zealand Labour 43; Green Party 9; ACT New Zealand 5; Progressive 1. 
Part 1 as amended agreed to.