Simpson ScottHon SCOTT SIMPSON (National—Coromandel): So yes indeed the opportunity to participate in a civil proceeding is on the face of it laudable—it you know makes a degree of sense but it would make a whole lot more sense if our civil court system was working faster and quicker and I don't have any confidence that actually actions in civil litigation are going to provide any kind of more speedy less costly or more efficient outcomes. So the pathway in principle is effective and probably worth pursuing but again—like so many other things that happen with the current Government—it's the practical application where people are let down because the civil justice system is mired at the moment and anyone that has had anything to do with a civil case will know how long it takes to get things through the civil jurisdictions.I want to spend just a minute or two talking about some of the enforcement orders. I know that the Minister has already indicated that a lot of this is replicated from the existing Resource Management Act (RMA) but again I make the point that so much of what is wrong with the existing RMA is in the detail. So much of what is wrong with the RMA in its current form hasn't yet been addressed by the nitty-gritty process detail that has been transferred into this piece of legislation from the existing legislation and therefore many of the pitfalls are going to be exactly the same.Clause 700 for instance Scope of enforcement order": "An enforcement order is an order made under section 705 by the Environment Court that may do any 1 or more of the following" and then there is quite a long list; it goes through to paragraph (j)—so all sorts of things in terms of an enforcement order. It's this kind of detail that is a mystery to laypeople trying to work their way through a situation where they may have a matter that has been brought by a local council or a consenting agency or whatever and where an enforcement order has been put in place. Then their ability to understand in a meaningful way what is being asked of them will almost certainly require professional assistance and that professional assistance will come at a cost and it will mean that it's not easy to use. So that's just one clause clause 700. As I said it's quite a long—I'm not going to waste the time of the committee of the whole House in going through it subclause by subclause but it's quite extensive.Then 701 goes through an equally long process the compliance with an enforcement order: "An enforcement order is made against a person and that enforcement order is served on that person and that person must" and then there's a whole range of things that they have to do. Then there's clause 702 the application of an enforcement order—again detailed long with a lot of reference back to other clauses. For those that for instance have not had the benefit of a law degree or legal training much of this is going to be very difficult for them to follow so again Minister I wondered if you could give us some insight as to why for instance—just something relatively pertinent to the whole process—[Bell rung]DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order! The member—Hon SCOTT SIMPSON: Mr Chair—sorry I had neglected to see that the Chair had changed so my apologies Mr Chair.DEPUTY SPEAKER: It's good to see your concentration is so—Hon SCOTT SIMPSON: Well this is a weighty matter Mr Chair. It's a matter that does require concentration and it's required the concentration of a number of us for many many months—many many months. Some of us have spent a lot of time on it. But I come back to my point and it's about—if the purpose of the Government's whole rationale for these significant changes is to make improvements then where do we see it in something as basic to the whole thing as enforcement orders? I don't see that in any of the words that are in front of me in this part of the bill Part 11 because it's just a straight copy of what we have now. I would have hoped that there was an opportunity for some streamlining some using for instance of just language that was more easily understood. It's heavy black-letter law that is going to require a lot of understanding by the people who are impacted by it.So general comments I know Mr Chair but I think pertinent to the whole Part 11 of the bill."