Mooney JosephJOSEPH MOONEY (National—Southland): I'm also interested in this point which my colleague the Hon Michael Woodhouse is raising around clause 22(c) and it's this continuation of statistics and research. I note the Minister's point that the obligation is—and clause 29 refers to sections 23 and 26 but in clause 23 the Statistician may request data from any individual public sector agency or organisation. This takes us back to the functions of the Statistician which we didn't get a chance to properly canvass in my view earlier regarding collecting data in accordance with this Act under clause 13.Then if we go back to clause 11 the Minister has functions and powers under this Act to specify the Government's data and statistical priorities:". And then if we go back to clause 6—and a question I asked but wasn't answered last night—in the interpretation section "data includes information" and there's the issue of: what does that mean? I mean this suggests that the data the agencies can compel other Government departments to provide for research does not have to exist solely as defined in a structured dataset but can be any information held by it however loosely. And then that of course goes right back to the purpose of the Act which is to "enable the trusted collection and use of data for the production of official statistics and for research;" and there's just this issue around the policy structure of this bill where it's focused on official statistics and research as opposed to official statistics and then allowing it to be used for research in limited circumstances and spelling out what those are. I'm interested in why the Minister thinks the structure of this bill has got this balance right in terms of conflating research with official statistics all the way through as we see again in clause 22(c) and this issue of the data including any information. Clause 22 sort of entrenches the shift from data collection that uses formally designed surveys in the census to using administrative data it could appear and I'd be interested in the Minister's thoughts on that. By "administrative data" I mean data gathered by Government agencies in the course of normal service interactions—for example when a hospital provides healthcare to a person or a person applies for a benefit a permit or a consent or any interaction with a Government agency can result in the associated data being pulled together in tools like the centralised Integrated Data Infrastructure. This bill appears to give the Statistician the ability to request any data if they are of the view that it's desirable for research. But then data itself it means any information in clause 6. So there seems to be a significant expansion of the dataset that can be used and in fact if data includes any information then the individual public sector agency or organisation upon whom the request is made under clause 29 has an obligation to comply with that request. So as the Hon Michael Woodhouse said earlier the Minister is making clear what his expectations are but the issue is how this is going to be interpreted by lawyers and by the courts and there's just significant issues as I read this in the conflation through this bill with official statistics and data being requested for the purposes of research. So I'd appreciate it if the Minister could respond to some of those issues."