Watts SimonSIMON WATTS (National—North Shore): Just following on from my earlier questions and I think the Hon Michael Woodhouse has actually raised some very important points which I am interested also to hear a response from the Minister on because obviously he's considering that in a little bit of depth following those questions. The area that I want to explore is going back to my original question in which the Minister has articulated to us that he has received Crown Law advice. So I'm trying to get back to what was going on 21 days ago. What was going on which triggered this event? What was going on that actually brought this to the attention of the Government or officials? What I'm seeking clarification from the Minister on is whether we did actually have people seeking refunds as a result of potentially they've done a little bit of research and worked out Actually you know what? I don't need to pay this amount of money because you know what it's unlawfully being charged from me." So what I'm interested in from the Minister is to articulate: was that actually the case—have we had anyone seeking refunds? Was that the trigger point that got this going or was there another circumstance in which this was raised to our attention and what were the processes and procedures that picked that aspect up? The second question I've got—and I've got about three or four others after but I'll just keep doing it in this process—is that I did some quick calculations when I was sitting in the House here. I'm not too bad at adding up numbers. Managed isolation and quarantine is $3100 for a person and then there's an additional $950 I think for every additional adult and then $475 per extra child. So when the Minister was estimating in the region of 600 to 650 and I know he's provided some additional numbers there and this seems to still be an estimate and I think I'm still surprised—why is it an estimate after 21 days of consideration? We still can't nail exactly what this number is. Considering we've got robust processes and systems—I mean that's what we're being told in this House when we actually have an opportunity to question officials the Minister and the director-general around our COVID-19 response which I must say doesn't occur very often but we're doing our damned best to get answers. So if you can articulate: what is the quantum of the fees that are potentially in effect being invoiced but are at risk of collection without making this change in legislation? I think as we heard in the Budget yesterday in terms of the challenges around who gets what in terms of allocation of funding if my calculation was correct and this is in the region of $3 million that's a heck of a lot of money. It's a heck of a lot of money for the people on the North Shore that sit in my electorate. It's a heck of a lot of money for a lot of Kiwis. What this comes back to I think—and I'll cover it in a couple of the questions I'll ask in the next phase—is once again we're making up and spending our time here on a Friday morning in urgency to fix mistakes of poorly drafted legislation. If there's anything that can be taken from this there is a learning here that you know—get it right first time. So I look forward to hearing the response from the Minister on those questions."