Martin TraceyHon TRACEY MARTIN (Minister for Children): Kia ora. Thank you Mr Chair. I've just returned to the Parliament from being off-precinct at a meeting and because I'm very interested in this topic I watched the livestream through my parliamentary app. I thought I'd just come down and clarify that considering that a statement was made by the member in the chair. I also thought—CHAIRPERSON (Adrian Rurawhe): Order! No I've dealt with that issue and the member—Hon TRACEY MARTIN: I apologise. I won't raise it again.CHAIRPERSON (Adrian Rurawhe): I'm on my feet.Hon TRACEY MARTIN: I beg your pardon.CHAIRPERSON (Adrian Rurawhe): And members should not comment on the Chair's ruling.Hon TRACEY MARTIN: Kia ora. Thank you Mr Chair. So having been watching the debate there's obviously been some questions that have been put to the member and the member has made some statements. It has been up and to this point a very respectful committee with regard to Oranga Tamariki and the children that are in their care. It is unfortunate that the member through this process has now decided to breach what has been the respect of this House and decided to make politics with these children.The other statement that has been made—and the Hon Mark Mitchell had asked for me to stand and explain why New Zealand First will remain as clearly articulated in my second reading speech supportive of the bill that came out of the select committee by majority a process whereby this Parliament listens to experts and officials and takes the advice of those who know because I'm sure the members in this House don't arrogantly believe that they know everything about the law around guardianship. Apparently Mr Mitchell knows everything about the law with regard to these children. Mr Walker and Mr Mitchell apparently know everything about the parents that are involved in this situation. It is unfortunate that Mr Walker and Mr Summers have shown their ignorance around the actual reality of the legal guardianship rights both in media and in this House which means that the New Zealand public should be incredibly dubious of a Supplementary Order Paper that they put in at the last minute so that no other advice could be taken in an attempt to completely null and void the select committee process—a process that is highly respected around the world. Our select committee process through the advice of experts and Government departments creates good law.The select committee was advised that this would not be good law in the way that the bill was originally written and the Government departments went out of their way to create the best possible solution for Mr Walker and the intent he had. That is what we pay them to do. That is what they have done not just for this Government but for the previous Government and every Government before it. New Zealand First will not second guess the select committee. New Zealand First will not arrogantly think that they can override the advice of experts and the cross-parliamentary support that we get through a majority report back from a select committee. We will not do it merely because Mr Walker and a friend think they know better because that is the only argument that has been put forward. It is the most manipulative process I have seen in this Parliament since I came into it—the public way that Mr Walker and a friend attempted to manipulate a political party through media pressure in an attempt to change what had been clearly articulated at the second reading. And he stands and continues to manipulate the answers provided by the Right Hon Winston Peters which were articulated correctly.New Zealand First is supporting this bill. New Zealand First will support this bill and the way that the cross-parliamentary select committee reported it back to the House.