Bayly AndrewANDREW BAYLY (National—Port Waikato): Thank you Madam Chair. It's nice that you called me but I think my colleague here had some very valid points that he wished to continue which is a bit of a disappointment but I'll take this opportunity.There's four things I want to try and cover and I was hoping this was going to be interactive but obviously the way things are working it can't be so I'm going to have to take my time. I know that Minister Robertson gleefully pounces on the letter of 2 July as though it's some sort of support but I think it should be recognised that the Minister was made aware of this issue back in mid-June. It obviously went through consideration by him before being taken to Cabinet and legislation being prepared and made available to us on 2 July. So obviously it had been a long gestation period and obviously the Minister had an opportunity to consider all the facets of it which just makes me wonder about a couple of things.One is the purposes letter when I was made aware of this issue—and I am grateful that the Minister did speak to me so I do want to acknowledge him about it—but there were twofold concerns that I raised with him at that stage. I don't think they'd been adequately addressed either by himself or the Cabinet and that's why we sought the letter. One is around prioritisation of the work and to what extent we could be assured that there would be no need for prioritisation but if there was to what extent there could be and therefore—I raise that because the legislation that was presented the day after I was made aware of this issue didn't contemplate any prioritisation.The second part of this letter was clearly one which was about addressing the capacity and capability constraints of Audit New Zealand and that's covered in the last paragraph. This is a central issue about Audit New Zealand being able to undertake its task. Now we've heard today that Audit New Zealand lost 27 staff and as my colleague just noted that's about 10 percent which compared to most organisations a very modest issue around personnel. Virtually every business—and I know he's been around the country talking to businesses but I imagine if you walked into any manufacturing or horticultural business or whatever the first thing they'd say is a shortage of staff. So the big issue if it is 27 staff that Audit New Zealand are missing my experience of auditors is that there's normally probably at least one senior to three or four juniors. So if it is a shortfall of 27 staff we're probably talking in terms of the graduate auditors that are required to work on this project—which by the way are basically accountants or people in the process of completing their finals for accountancy often the first job they have is an audit job. There are many accountants being trained and one of the things we've heard from the Government—waxing lyrically in this House on many occasions—is undertaking further training.Getting first-year graduates into organisations such as Audit New Zealand shouldn't be such a big issue and there are many many more available than perhaps the senior staff which is probably where it's more critical. So the issue is why Audit New Zealand hasn't been able to get these people and of course it comes back to the terms of their remuneration and their working conditions. That's why a repeated thing about this is what has the Government done about this to make sure this doesn't turn into a systemic issue? Because as we know with being able to complete local government audits it is a major issue and we've heard nothing from the Minister in terms of making sure that—CHAIRPERSON (Hon Jenny Salesa): Order! We've covered this issue quite repetitively now. Can I ask the member if he's putting a question can he put the question through about Part 2?ANDREW BAYLY: OK. So on that question I just want to understand from the Minister what is the actual shortfall in the breakdown of the staffing requirements to stop them from being able to complete the audits for local governments? So the split between senior and junior staff.The second thing is that I'm surprised in the response to my question earlier that he hadn't got proper representations from local government. The member Nicola Willis noted before that Wellington City Council's got some major issues and we want to make sure that behind this—