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Smith Lockwood: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Mr SPEAKER 
: OK. The member has that right and that brings to a close questions for oral answer today.
Parker David: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Hon DAVID PARKER (Labour) 
: 
 Yes.
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Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought for that course of action. Is there any objection? There is objection. I call the Hon David Parker—[ 
Interruption 
] Does the member wish to withdraw his question?
Parker David: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Hon DAVID PARKER (Labour) 
: 
 I seek leave of the House to carry over my question to a day when the Minister of Finance is present.
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11. 
SIMON O’CONNOR (National—Tamaki) 
 to the  
Minister of Revenue 
: How has the Government made the student loan scheme more affordable for taxpayers? 
Hon PETER DUNNE (Minister of Revenue) 
: 
 The Government is committed not only to making the scheme more affordable but also to keeping student loans interest-free. Through a number of measures that we have taken since coming to office we have been able to reduce the cost to taxpayers of student loans—the write-off—from around 48c in the dollar by 19 percent to now just 39c in the dollar. These savings allow us not only to improve our overall fiscal position but also to reinvest in quality tertiary education for future students. 
Simon O’Connor 
: What actions has this Government taken to make the student loan scheme more affordable? 
Hon PETER DUNNE 
: A number of actions have been taken. The most dramatic would be the announcement in August 2010 of a pilot programme to recover debt from overseas-based borrowers. That programme to date has brought in repayments of over $32 million with a further nearly $3 million under payment arrangement. We have also reduced lending to students who are less likely to repay including the introduction of requirements for academic performance set limits on total support to encourage students to complete their study on time and limited lending to groups who are less likely to pay back. And we have stopped lending to students who are in default on previous student loans. All of these moves help us not only to recover debt that is due but also to make the scheme far more affordable.
Robertson Grant: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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5. 
GRANT ROBERTSON (Deputy Leader—Labour) 
 to the  
Prime Minister 
: Does he stand by his statement in answer to Supplementary Question No 3 in Oral Question No 2 on 1 May 2012 “The test is whether the Minister correctly applied and did everything in accordance with the law. I have received an assurance he did”? 
Rt Hon JOHN KEY (Prime Minister) 
: 
 Yes because such an assurance was given at the time. 
Grant Robertson 
: Is he aware that section 134 of the Local Electoral Act which is the law referred to in the primary question covers two offences relating to the provision of a false return: the first section 134(1) which is about knowingly furnishing a false return and the second section 134(2) where it is an offence to submit a false return unless there is proof that there was no intent to conceal facts and where all reasonable steps had been taken to ensure the information in the return was accurate? 
Rt Hon JOHN KEY 
: Yes. 
Grant Robertson 
: Is he further aware that in paragraph 39 of the police criminal assessment report of the John Banks investigation police conclude that their analysis of Mr Banks’ return was that it was a false return in respect of his return of expenses and donations for the 2012 mayoral election? 
Rt Hon JOHN KEY 
: If the member says so and I am aware also that there was insufficient evidence to consider a prosecution. 
Grant Robertson 
: Is he aware that in paragraph 40 of the police criminal assessment report in the John Banks investigation police conclude that as a result of the return being false the law was breached and the elements for a prosecution were met under section 134(2)? 
Rt Hon JOHN KEY 
: No and I just point out to the member that there are no charges being laid against Mr Banks. He has complied with the law. 
Grant Robertson 
: In light of the police finding that John Banks had breached the law and that the elements for a prosecution had been met under section 134(2) why is he arguing that John Banks has done everything in accordance with the law? 
Rt Hon JOHN KEY 
: Because that fact is not proven. 
Grant Robertson 
: If the test for John Banks retaining his confidence is that he has done everything in accordance with the law why will he not read a report from the police that says that Mr Banks breached the law? 
Rt Hon JOHN KEY 
: Because I do not need to. The test is whether I can rely on the member’s word and he has given me an assurance that he met the law. The police have quite clearly said there was insufficient evidence. There is a statute of limitations and he has complied with the law. 
Grant Robertson 
: Is the Prime Minister telling the people of New Zealand that his test is not whether a Minister broke the law but whether the Minister got away with it? 
Rt Hon JOHN KEY 
: No the test is whether the member complied with the law. The member did.
Smith Lockwood: Privilege — New Zealand Police—Agreement on Policing Functions within Parliamentary Precincts New Zealand Police—Procedures for Execution of Search Warrants on Premises Occupied or Used by Members of Parliament New Zealand Security Intelligence Service—Memorandum of Understanding on Collection and Retention of Information on Members of Parliament 
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Mr SPEAKER 
: In recent years Speakers have entered into a number of agreements that have implications for the House and its members. On 24 March 2004 the House noted a report of the Privileges Committee on its consideration of a draft agreement on policing functions within the parliamentary precincts. Following the Privileges Committee’s report the Speaker and the Commissioner of Police signed a formal agreement which was presented to the House on 24 June 2004. The agreement continues until termination but is required to be reviewed every 3 years and may be amended by mutual agreement of the two parties. A revised agreement was signed on 12 December 2007. A further review is now due. 
On 7 November 2006 the Speaker presented to the House a paper setting out interim procedures for the execution of search warrants on premises occupied or used by members of Parliament and indicated to the House that she would seek to have the Privileges Committee consider it once the police investigation into the activities of Taito Phillip Field and any consequent action were completed. A final order for repayment was made on 3 September 2012 and the proceedings are now at an end. 
On 21 December 2010 I entered into a draft memorandum of understanding with the New Zealand Security Intelligence Service on the collection and retention of information on members of Parliament the need for which arose from a 2009 report from the Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security following complaints from members. 
All three of these agreements have the potential to raise issues affecting the privileges of the House. Consequently I have determined that they involve a question of privilege and therefore the question stands referred to the Privileges Committee.
Privilege — New Zealand Police—Agreement on Policing Functions within Parliamentary Precincts New Zealand Police—Procedures for Execution of Search Warrants on Premises Occupied or Used by Members of Parliament New Zealand Security Intelligence Service—Memorandum of Understanding on Collection and Retention of Information on Members of Parliament 
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Tuesday 18 September 2012 
Mr Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Prayers 
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Privilege 
New Zealand Police—Agreement on Policing Functions within Parliamentary Precincts 
New Zealand Police—Procedures for Execution of Search Warrants on Premises Occupied or Used by Members of Parliament 
New Zealand Security Intelligence Service—Memorandum of Understanding on Collection and Retention of Information on Members of Parliament 
Mr SPEAKER 
: In recent years Speakers have entered into a number of agreements that have implications for the House and its members. On 24 March 2004 the House noted a report of the Privileges Committee on its consideration of a draft agreement on policing functions within the parliamentary precincts. Following the Privileges Committee’s report the Speaker and the Commissioner of Police signed a formal agreement which was presented to the House on 24 June 2004. The agreement continues until termination but is required to be reviewed every 3 years and may be amended by mutual agreement of the two parties. A revised agreement was signed on 12 December 2007. A further review is now due. 
On 7 November 2006 the Speaker presented to the House a paper setting out interim procedures for the execution of search warrants on premises occupied or used by members of Parliament and indicated to the House that she would seek to have the Privileges Committee consider it once the police investigation into the activities of Taito Phillip Field and any consequent action were completed. A final order for repayment was made on 3 September 2012 and the proceedings are now at an end. 
On 21 December 2010 I entered into a draft memorandum of understanding with the New Zealand Security Intelligence Service on the collection and retention of information on members of Parliament the need for which arose from a 2009 report from the Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security following complaints from members. 
All three of these agreements have the potential to raise issues affecting the privileges of the House. Consequently I have determined that they involve a question of privilege and therefore the question stands referred to the Privileges Committee.
Tisch Lindsay: Taxation (Annual Rates Returns Filing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Like I just said that is a matter between the whips. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 98 in the name of the Hon Peter Dunne to Part 4 be agreed to. 
Amendments agreed to. 
Part 4 as amended agreed to.
Cosgrove Clayton: Taxation (Annual Rates Returns Filing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee 
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Hon CLAYTON COSGROVE (Labour) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: The member is trifling with the Chair. 
Hon CLAYTON COSGROVE 
: No no—I have one last question. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: The Hon Clayton Cosgrove. 
Hon CLAYTON COSGROVE 
: Thank you. Given that is the case if I could just seek clarification are you saying that that does not have to be in a written form or a form that is signed between parties?
Tisch Lindsay: Taxation (Annual Rates Returns Filing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: That is an arrangement between the whips of the parties. It is not a matter that the presiding officer takes account of.
Cosgrove Clayton: Taxation (Annual Rates Returns Filing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee 
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Hon CLAYTON COSGROVE (Labour) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: I have ruled on that one so— 
Hon CLAYTON COSGROVE 
: No no—absolutely. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: The Hon Clayton Cosgrove. 
Hon CLAYTON COSGROVE 
: Thank you for your clarification; I appreciate that. Could you also advise in what form that has to take—whether it is a written form—
Tisch Lindsay: Taxation (Annual Rates Returns Filing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Well I can answer that very quickly. Parties have arrangements between their whips who casts party votes for the respective parties and that is the end of the matter.
Cosgrove Clayton: Taxation (Annual Rates Returns Filing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee 
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Hon CLAYTON COSGROVE (Labour) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. Could you advise me as to the status of proxy votes? I assume the following is correct. Where generally speaking a minor party is unavailable—shall we put it that way—to vote another party would carry its proxy.
Vote: Taxation (Annual Rates Returns Filing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Taxation (Annual Rates Returns Filing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 106 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 34; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 15 
Green Party 14; Mana 1. 
Motion agreed to.
Cosgrove Clayton: Taxation (Annual Rates Returns Filing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee 
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Hon CLAYTON COSGROVE (Labour) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: No. No I am— 
Hon CLAYTON COSGROVE 
: Sure. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Unless it affects the result. 
Hon CLAYTON COSGROVE 
: It may do. It is a question. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Well we are doing the vote. You can bring your point of order up after I have finished. 
Hon CLAYTON COSGROVE 
: OK no problem.
Goldsmith Paul: Taxation (Annual Rates Returns Filing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee 
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PAUL GOLDSMITH (National) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
. 
A party vote was called for on the question that the question be now put.
Tisch Lindsay: Taxation (Annual Rates Returns Filing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: I will hear from Clayton Cosgrove.
Barry Maggie: Taxation (Annual Rates Returns Filing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee 
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MAGGIE BARRY (National—North Shore) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
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Hayes John: Taxation (Annual Rates Returns Filing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee 
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JOHN HAYES (National—Wairarapa) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Young Jonathan: Taxation (Annual Rates Returns Filing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee 
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JONATHAN YOUNG (National—New Plymouth) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
. 
Motion agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 98 in the name of the Hon Peter Dunne to Part 3 be agreed to. 
Amendments agreed to. 
Part 3 as amended agreed to.
Tisch Lindsay: Environment Canterbury (Temporary Commissioners and Improved Water Management) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Tisch Lindsay: Environment Canterbury (Temporary Commissioners and Improved Water Management) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch) 
: I understand this is a 5-minute call. I call Sue Moroney. I will ring the bell at 4 minutes.
McClay Todd: Taxation (Annual Rates Returns Filing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee 
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TODD McCLAY (National—Rotorua) 
: 
 Thank you very much. I just want to clarify an issue for the last speaker Mr Rajen Prasad. It was not that I did not know what Swahili was—of course it is a language. I had suggested to the Committee by way of interjection that if the member was speaking in Swahili his speech would be much more enjoyable because the poor people at home would not understand the rubbish he was talking about. If ever there was a reason for the taxpayer to deserve a refund on an MP’s salary it was that last speech from Mr Prasad. 
So what I would like to say very clearly is that in the Finance and Expenditure Committee when we focused on Part 3 we gave a large amount of time to consider these issues. There were very few submissions on them but we did question our advisers at great length about language what it meant how we needed to use it how the Inland Revenue Department would deal with it and so on and so forth. Actually our advisers showed so much more common sense than has been apparent in the part of the debate that I have been listening to since I got here that I am thankful that we now get to move on. I do note that I think the parties in Parliament are supporting this legislation. It is good that we get to talk this Taxation (Annual Rates Returns Filing and Remedial Matters) Bill out I suppose but let us make some progress. Thank you.
Cosgrove Clayton: Taxation (Annual Rates Returns Filing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee 
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Hon CLAYTON COSGROVE (Labour) 
: 
 Given that we are proceeding with a reasonable amount of haste through this— 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: I am sorry to interrupt the honourable member. The time has come at a reasonable pace for me to leave the Chair. 
Sitting suspended from 6 p.m. to 7.30 p.m.
Upston Louise: Taxation (Annual Rates Returns Filing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee 
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Upston Louise: Taxation (Annual Rates Returns Filing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee 
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LOUISE UPSTON (Junior Whip—National) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
. 
Motion agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 98 in the name of the Hon Peter Dunne to Part 2 be agreed to. 
Amendments agreed to. 
Part 2 as amended agreed to.
Tisch Lindsay: Taxation (Annual Rates Returns Filing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee 
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Tisch Lindsay: Taxation (Annual Rates Returns Filing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: No. The member must sit down when I have rung the bell. That is it. You do not continue. Otherwise I will give you another call.
Vote: Environment Canterbury (Temporary Commissioners and Improved Water Management) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Vote: Environment Canterbury (Temporary Commissioners and Improved Water Management) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the motion be agreed to. 
Ayes 64 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 53 
New Zealand Labour 30; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Mana 1. 
Motion agreed to.
Carter David: Environment Canterbury (Temporary Commissioners and Improved Water Management) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Carter David: Environment Canterbury (Temporary Commissioners and Improved Water Management) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Hon DAVID CARTER (Minister of Local Government) 
: 
 I move  
That the Environment Canterbury (Temporary Commissioners and Improved Water Management) Amendment Bill be reported to the House on or before 30 January 2013.
Vote: Environment Canterbury (Temporary Commissioners and Improved Water Management) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Vote: Environment Canterbury (Temporary Commissioners and Improved Water Management) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Environment Canterbury (Temporary Commissioners and Improved Water Management) Amendment Bill be now read a first time. 
Ayes 64 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 53 
New Zealand Labour 30; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Mana 1. 
Bill read a first time. 
Bill referred to the Local Government and Environment Committee.
Upston Louise: Environment Canterbury (Temporary Commissioners and Improved Water Management) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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LOUISE UPSTON (National—Taupo) 
: 
 I am proud to take a call in this first reading of the Environment Canterbury (Temporary Commissioners and Improved Water Management) Amendment Bill. The issues of the bill have been well canvassed but I just want to say that we need to look back at one of the issues that was raised by the review panel. It said that the institutional failure required comprehensive and rapid intervention because Canterbury is so important to both the regional and national well-being. That national well-being is even more important given that the issues relating to the earthquake and the economic recovery required both for the region and the country overall are vital. That is all I am going to say on this bill. I commend it to the House.
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TIM MACINDOE (National—Hamilton West) 
: 
 Like most who have ever lived in Christchurch I have fond memories of the beauty of the city’s landscape and heritage and feel deeply for all Cantabrians over all they have suffered and lost since the first earthquake struck that region. But it is a regrettable fact that the former Environment Canterbury’s performance was ranked worst of 84 councils in New Zealand just over 4 years ago while it is widely acknowledged that the current commissioners have been highly successful and effective in tackling the systemic problems they have been tasked with correcting. I commend them for that progress and wish them further success in their vital work as set out in this temporary extension of their role in the Environment Canterbury (Temporary Commissioners and Improved Water Management) Amendment Bill. Seldom in our history has there been a time or place where sound and effective regional governance has been more critically needed.
King Colin: Environment Canterbury (Temporary Commissioners and Improved Water Management) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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King Colin: Environment Canterbury (Temporary Commissioners and Improved Water Management) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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COLIN KING (National—Kaikoura) 
: 
 It is a pleasure to speak on the first reading of the Environment Canterbury (Temporary Commissioners and Improved Water Management) Amendment Bill. I have to address the previous speaker Denis O’Rourke and thank him very much for his definition of why the Government needed to step in and do what it did. I am the MP for the Kaikoura electorate. In the southern end we have three district councils and one environmental council and I can tell you that the Government’s decisions in the first place to remove duly elected councillors and replace them with commissioners and then to progress the extension of those commissioners for 3 years have been unanimously received in a positive way. 
The Opposition cries foul and a breach of democracy but the duly elected mayors and councillors of those three district councils are in favour of what the Government is doing. They say “What a lot of rubbish!” to the Opposition. They have enjoyed more democracy since they have had the commissioners in place than they ever enjoyed under Environment Canterbury which totally ignored them and never spoke to those councils. I had to ask: “Well what do you mean?”. They say that the commissioners have changed the culture. The councils now sit down with Environment Canterbury officials and they work these things through. Those three district councils are happy with the decision of the Government. 
So now we find that things are beginning to head in the right direction. There have been some outstanding achievements during the installation of those commissioners. We have seen the superb work of the water zone committees. In the Hurunui we now have an agreed water storage project which is 20 years overdue. It is now being notified. So that is a very positive step. We have now got a draft version of the Kaikoura regional water plan out for consultation and receiving submissions. This has all been done in a very democratic way. We are looking forward to taking on board those submissions. There is total wide community support and it will be enduring. 
I would like to read an excerpt from an email that I received from somebody in Christchurch. It says that they believed that the reason why the commissioners were put in place was purely to grab water. I have to say that when you read that email you can fully understand why there was paralysis within Environment Canterbury. Those who were considered to be the duly elected representatives used Environment Canterbury as a tool to prevent economic development. So we are very happy on this side of the House to support this bill. We see it as a way forward as very positive and we are very thankful that the Government has had the wisdom to take this step. Thank you.
Tisch Lindsay: Environment Canterbury (Temporary Commissioners and Improved Water Management) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Tisch Lindsay: Environment Canterbury (Temporary Commissioners and Improved Water Management) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Sorry to interrupt the honourable member. I call Colin King.
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Roy Eric: Urgent Debates — Schools Canterbury—Proposed Closures and Mergers 
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Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: There are several courses of action that members can take and question time tomorrow may be one of them. His own—I am not here to give him a lecture on how he pursues that but we do not seek leave for press statements or press cuttings to be presented in this House. 
The debate having concluded the motion lapsed.
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Hon CLAYTON COSGROVE 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. Although I accept your ruling I then ask you what course of action a member has when they are accused of telling an untruth and the evidence is presented to the contrary and leave is denied. What is the course of action one has then?
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Cosgrove Clayton: Urgent Debates — Schools Canterbury—Proposed Closures and Mergers 
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Hon CLAYTON COSGROVE (Labour) 
: 
 I seek leave to table a report where Gerry Brownlee accuses earthquake victims of “carping and moaning”— 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: The source of the report? 
Hon CLAYTON COSGROVE 
: —about the situation in the Christchurch  
Press 
 13 September. 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: No. We do not put leave for press— 
Hon Trevor Mallard 
: But he said the exact opposite before. 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: We do not put leave for press statements.
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Vote: Advanced Technology Institute Bill — First Reading 
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Vote: Advanced Technology Institute Bill — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 13 September 2012. Volume:683;Page:5260. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Education and Science Committee report the bill to the House on or before 6 November 2012 and that the committee have authority to meet at any time while the House is sitting (except during oral questions) during any evening on a day on which there has been a sitting of the House on a Friday in a week in which there has been a sitting of the House and outside the Wellington area despite Standing Orders 188 190(a) and 191(1)(b) and (c). 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Mana 1. 
Motion agreed to.
Dean Jacqui: Advanced Technology Institute Bill — First Reading 
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JACQUI DEAN (National—Waitaki) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
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MICHAEL WOODHOUSE (Senior Whip—National) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
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DAVID CLENDON (Green) 
: 
 I just want to make a couple of brief comments on this debate. There are some practical considerations about this. The bill the Advanced Technology Institute Bill was presented on Monday I believe. We are having its first reading on Thursday. One wonders at the need for that haste. It is true as I understand it that the specific committee in question the Education and Science Committee is not a particularly busy committee at this point. I understand there is no legislation before it. It does have a number of inquiries in train but there is capacity there to accommodate and to do some more work. 
This bill albeit having been presented only this week has been fairly well flagged in terms of its content. We know that this particular institute has been a gleam in the eye of the Minister of Science and Innovation for some time. We have had a fairly clear sense even through media and other reporting of what it would look like. These are reasons why it might be appropriate to have a truncated select committee process. 
Contrary to that of course in respect of these truncated processes—acknowledging the points made by the previous speaker Trevor Mallard—it is quite an important fundamental constitutional and parliamentary process to allow members of the public time to participate. So I guess our view is that these truncated processes can work but generally only if there is a high level of cooperation from all parties. We have just heard two reasonably passionate speeches which give us a very clear steer that there is no such consensus and that there is not a willingness to cooperate for very well-voiced reasons which to me brings us to the point. We have had a motion from the Government that we should support this very very short select committee process. What I would like to now hear is a justification from the Government for that. We would like to have it spelt out very clearly what the need is what the benefit is and what the public good is in having this quite short process. I guess we will make our decision on the quality of the argument that we hear from the Government. Kia ora.
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Hon JO GOODHEW (Minister for the Community and Voluntary Sector) 
 on behalf of the Minister of Science and Innovation: I move  
That the Education and Science Committee report the bill to the House on or before 6 November 2012 and that the committee have authority to meet at any time while the House is sitting (except during oral questions) during any evening on a day on which there has been a sitting of the House on a Friday in a week in which there has been a sitting of the House and outside the Wellington area despite Standing Orders 188 190(a) and 191(1)(b) and (c).
Vote: Advanced Technology Institute Bill — First Reading 
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Vote: Advanced Technology Institute Bill — First Reading 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Advanced Technology Institute Bill be now read a first time. 
Ayes 110 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; ACT New Zealand 1; Mana 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 8 
New Zealand First 8. 
Bill read a first time. 
Bill referred to the Education and Science Committee.
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The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch) 
: I understand that the next call is a split call. I will ring the bell at 4 minutes.
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The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch) 
: I call Dr Megan Woods. 
Dr Megan Woods 
: Thank you very much Mr Speaker. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Just before starting the member must always call. Just standing up does not mean to say that you are going for a call but I knew you were going to call so I anticipated. Dr Megan Woods.
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The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I call the honourable member David Clendon. It was close Mr Clendon.
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The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Members this debate has concluded. The question is that the motion be agreed to. Those of that opinion will say Aye to the contrary No. The Ayes have it? 
Tracey Martin 
: The Noes have it. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch) 
: The Ayes have it. Do you want a party vote? You must ask for— 
Tracey Martin 
: A party vote; I beg your pardon. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch) 
: You must ask for a party vote. Do not assume because you vote against it that there will be a party vote. I will ask the Clerk for a party vote.
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Mr SPEAKER 
: I have received a letter from Grant Robertson seeking to debate under Standing Order 386 the retention of the Hon John Banks as a Minister of the Crown despite Mr Banks’ failure to tell the truth about electoral donations from Kim Dotcom. Documents from a police file of the John Banks investigation have been released. The accumulation of information in regard to an issue is not of itself a particular case of recent occurrence. A case of recent occurrence occurs when a decision is publicly announced by the Government. An urgent debate cannot be granted on the basis of newspaper speculation. The application is therefore declined. 
I have also received a letter from Catherine Delahunty seeking to debate under Standing Order 386 the closure and merging of schools in Canterbury. The application for an urgent debate should be received by the Speaker at least 1 hour before the House meets. The member’s application was received at 1.36 p.m. Under Standing Order 386(1) the Speaker does have the authority to consider an application lodged after 1 p.m. where the event on which the application is based occurs within 1 hour of the House sitting. In deciding whether or not to consider this application today the matters that I have taken into consideration include when the announcement was made. It was made at 1 p.m. in Christchurch by the responsible Ministers I think—the Hon Gerry Brownlee and the Hon Hekia Parata—but neither of the Ministers is currently in the House right now. On the basis that the announcement was not made by the Government until 1 p.m. and also the fact that neither responsible Minister is in the House today I am prepared to consider such an application at the House’s next sitting. Therefore I am declining the application for today but making it clear that that does not mean that in fact I would not consider it not to be a matter of recent occurrence were it to be raised at the next House sitting.
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1. 
Dr KENNEDY GRAHAM (Green) 
 to the  
Chairperson of the Foreign Affairs Defence and Trade Committee 
: Does he intend to invite the New Zealand Defence Force to give evidence on the briefing on Afghanistan? 
JOHN HAYES (Chairperson of the Foreign Affairs Defence and Trade Committee) 
: 
 As the matter is still before the committee the Standing Orders require the matter to remain confidential to the committee. Accordingly no further comment can be made by me on this issue at least until the committee’s consideration is completed. 
Dr Kennedy Graham 
: Can the chairperson explain to the House the reasons why the initial request for a briefing was refused? 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Order! No the chair of the committee cannot do that. That would be a breach of the Standing Orders.
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12. 
Dr JACKIE BLUE (National) 
 to the  
Minister for Senior Citizens 
: How are Police and communities working together to improve responses to elder abuse and support for vulnerable older people? 
Hon JO GOODHEW (Minister for Senior Citizens) 
: 
 Today I announced that the Office for Senior Citizens volunteer community coordinators will be working with neighbourhood policing teams known also as NPTs to help them engage with older people in their communities and to assist them with appropriate responses to elder abuse or other issues raised by local older people. This initiative will help older people feel safe in their own homes. 
Dr Jackie Blue 
: Which communities will be involved in this initiative? 
Hon JO GOODHEW 
: The initiative is up and running in Naenae where the volunteer community coordinator joined the neighbourhood policing team as an adviser and is working with the neighbourhood safety panel and community patrols in the area. Over the last 8 months police have established 33 neighbourhood policing teams in 11 districts throughout the country. Over the next 12 months the plan is to link more volunteer community coordinators to their local teams and initial discussions have already been had with a further four neighbourhood policing teams. Such is the interest in this that after the announcement I have already had communities asking whether they can be in on this exercise.