Leavasa Anae NeruDr ANAE NERU LEAVASA (Labour—Takanini): Fa'afetai lava Mr Speaker. Thank you for the opportunity to take a call on the Synthetic Urine (Prohibition on Importation Supply and Acquisition to Pass a Workplace Drug Test) Bill. I also want to acknowledge the member Mr Doocey. I think this is probably my second time taking a call on a different member's bill—quite a blessed man to have his bill pulled. I just want to acknowledge the purpose of this bill as well: to address that some employers may be concerned about the use of synthetic urine to pass a test also the use to pass workplace drug tests that reduces the risk for employers and employees in terms of workplace accidents and also trying to address the advertisement of these products which the previous member Sarah Pallett has also mentioned. The bill itself is two parts and 15 clauses so not a long bill but I just want to acknowledge the intention.However just like my other colleagues have already mentioned I just want to acknowledge that there are already drug-testing agencies that are trained to detect synthetic urine such as that of The Drug Detection Agency—or TDDA—that have also confirmed that they are able to train their testers in terms of listening to a sample when they are pouring into a container making a differentiation between normal and synthetic urine also looking at temperature as well between 33 and 38 degrees Celsius also acknowledge that you know you've got those warmers that come with those other kits. But other than that there is another lever where if there is some sort of discrepancy on those two levers they can send it to an accredited lab that can also check on the composition and integrity of the urine sample itself.I guess as my experience with drug testing—not an employee or an employer sort of scenario but as a sports doctor with athletes elite athletes that get drug tested quite a lot I go in with the athlete with the facilitator because we are aware of these sort of kits that people use to make sure that athletes are not bypassing drug testing. And again it is quite a sort of secure sort of process. And again there are other levers which we can use to detect any other synthetic urine or other measures that they'll be using to bypass testing.I acknowledge that the Green Party not only them but the ACT Party member have mentioned harm reduction and impairment. And those are the two things that I think are really important. When we look at testing of our employees it is like the member from the ACT side has said making sure that there is a safe but also open and trustworthy environment. Having these punitive measures where it is not actually looking at the issue of impairment those are the things that can cause problems in the workplace.I look at employment cases. We haven't seen any employment cases regarding the use of synthetic urine in New Zealand. And also seeing the different ways that if we were to set up this authorisation regime to deal with this issue given the lack of evidence of gaming in the workplace experts think this is not going to sort the issue as well.There are other ways to bypass the system like our previous member said. You can always borrow urine from some sort of member—Hon Member: Happy to help!Dr ANAE NERU LEAVASA: Ha ha! Again there are other ways that accredited lab tests are able to differentiate this as well.So I want to acknowledge the different reasons why we oppose this. And given that there is no evidence of cases and that it is more about impairment and looking at harm reduction that is why I oppose this bill. Thank you.