Logie JanJAN LOGIE (Green): We're hearing quite a lot about how this provision is just about making sure that everyone who needs help gets the right help and freeing up Work and Income officers to be able to provide that help. I just want to provide a little bit of a reality check on that because actually the regulatory impact statement that supported the introduction of this legislation pointed out that this provision was being included to protect the Crown from accusations of discrimination that might be taken to court—for discriminating against people. And in fact that is what the social investment approach does. It discriminates; it's a risk profiling system that seeks to embed discrimination. We've seen it introduced in legislation under the last Government around the young persons' services. At that time in that service the previous Government had put into legislation that they could send young people who met a particular risk profile off to a different service. Coincidentally they got extra obligations and potential sanctions applied to them if they met this profile and the profile was: prior contact with the department of Child Youth and Family gender reasons for leaving school and educational outcomes. So that kind of formula had been critiqued by Treasury where they had found that young people who didn't have those criteria were more likely to have negative life outcomes than those that had all those criteria.So you can see in that that this is setting up a process of discrimination that is just going to embed the fact that a whole lot of people who could benefit from getting assistance won't get it. That isn't what is being described by the National Party members at all. I think they're showing a fundamental misunderstanding of what this legislation and this provision were seeking to implement. I raised it earlier—in legislation—around this point about the problems particularly of including contact with the department of Child Youth and Family as a measure for providing a different service when we know that it's about 58 percent I think of tamariki who are in contact with Child Youth and Family are Māori. Actually we are in fact setting up a de facto racial profiling system by doing that. When we have just so many reports telling us that we have embedded racial discrimination across our State agencies to be embedding a risk profiling model that will result in different service through the Ministry of Social Development is a really dangerous thing to do and it's not something that the Green Party is happy to support.I also want to echo the message that the Minister was stating: we know through evidence and through practice that what works is taking a strength-based approach and this model is inherently defining people on the basis of risk and what you see as wrong with them rather than actually sitting down and listening to what they might need. Actually the truth is they know what they need better than anybody sitting across a desk within a Government institution could ever know. We need to be creating a system that listens and responds to what people's needs are because the truth is people have aspirations. People want to be able to contribute and have meaning in their lives and our system at the moment—and progressively under the last Government it moved away from being able to provide people with the assistance that they needed. We've seen that by the increased homelessness on our streets by the really entrenched poverty and by the increased inequality in our society. That was the result of the previous system that was seeking to be embedded by that provision in the legislation. It didn't work. I really think the Opposition just has to come to terms with that. It is time to get back to what we know works which is kindness.