Logie JanJAN LOGIE (Green): Thank you Madam Deputy Speaker. Normally I would congratulate a member for getting a bill drawn and note that that is a rare occurrence but I must say in this instance I feel a little sorry for the member Barbara Kuriger having this bill drawn in her name. I felt from her initial speech and recognition of the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act vet that came back raising quite a few issues that she realises that this isn't the answer that if we want to be supporting our young people and our families actually we need a very different approach to this. I'll note that the member in her speech spoke about Iceland which has been quite inspirational but it wasn't about in my understanding the curfews or the chosen" parental response but actually a lot about providing good programmes and making sure that they were readily available to young people. I do think I also need to echo the views—the Green Party shares the views that were expressed by New Zealand First in acknowledging that this has been sitting around since the previous Government had the opportunity to consider this as a policy intervention and that choice was never taken because I think it is inconsistent with the concept of a child-centred approach and with the direction that the previous National Government was going in around supporting whānau and redressing the terrible outcomes particularly for tamariki Māori and whānau Māori. So the Greens are certainly opposing this piece of legislation. We think it takes us in very much the wrong direction. I acknowledge the idea of parental responsibility and that when you hear that phrase it conjures up the idea of a parent freely able to choose how they act and relationships of love and trust in a family. I think underlying part of my concern with this bill is that it misses our context of epidemic levels of family violence in this country and that we don't have the services in place to be able to support behaviour change and support positive parenting out of the context of leaving violent relationships. I was in Australia this week looking at the changes they're making in response to family violence and got to sit in on a session looking around youth offending and their youth courts and the research that they've been doing shows really clearly that we need to be working with mums who have left violent relationships even when they've got very very small children because the impact of the trauma on that child often goes unaddressed and we have no systems really to address that in New Zealand at the moment. It ends up with that child being violent towards their parent and that child will often end up in our Youth Courts and in this exact situation. Now you're looking at adding that mother potentially being at risk of being sent to jail for not meeting an accountability in the relationship of that child—ending up in court because of the behaviour and the result of the initial abuse and the State's failure to respond appropriately. It's just the wrong way to go. We have to make sure that we understand the dynamics of domestic violence on our children and on the parents and create a system that addresses it and responds appropriately and has all the bits working together. We don't have that or anywhere near that at the moment. Even in our family group conferences where there's the option of parenting orders we haven't got a family violence analysis in that. People don't understand the dynamics and people have been put in dangerous situations and now you're looking at adding penalties that could fine people or send them to prison when that is so much of the context that this operates in. It's dangerous and the Greens won't be supporting it."