Cameron Mark; O'Connor DamienMARK CAMERON (ACT): Thank you sir. Thank you. Minister I will push back on your statements that I had the figures wrong. Do you know what the national herd scheme is sir? I'd hope to think that you did. F12s—I'm not sure if you know what the acronym was; it was for Friesian 12s and it was to do with their pedigree status. The average price for the national herd scheme when these animals were being traded versus the value of the animals domestically: the value of the animals domestically was $1600 to $1750 on average through the national herd scheme. This was average prices for F12s in the last two fiscal seasons. The average price for animals going offshore was about $500 more than that per head. Now I used average figures. Now I want to add to that just to keep some new material flowing here given that Mr Chair has asked for it. Pre-departure condition score Minister: do you know what the pre-departure average condition score for animals going offshore is versus average Friesian dairy cows being dried off—theorising here—on 15 or 20 May? I guarantee you sir the pre-departure conditions—the half a condition score that these animals are putting in terms of weight gain in transit is not indicative of a problem. I want you to clarify yes or no sir do you know what the average of mortality of bovine livestock is here in New Zealand versus in transit? Because every suggestion we've had: in transit it is infinitesimally small compared to what is happening on average on an everyday New Zealand dairy farm. So can you clarify that because there's a massive distinction there?Hon DAMIEN O'CONNOR (Minister of Agriculture): There was a little bit of new information there and I'm happy to do that. The fatality rates—and we've been monitoring those—on the face of it might seem relatively low. But actually when you look across the reports I've had to scrutinise those reports and challenge them from time to time to ensure that we—indeed lately we have been having a more accurate report-back system.But there are a lot of injuries—they're mainly foot injuries but one of the things that is indicated in reports but doesn't necessarily result in a fatality is huge heat stress. I think by any animal welfare standard it would be considered unacceptable. Can I just very briefly touch on a couple of the other things. Nicola Grigg said you know this is a hasty bill. It's taken two years: clear notice to the industry. I think recognition of that even though they don't agree recognition of the time that we gave them in the lead-up to this—and it is important that we move on with certainty that we don't offer false hope which is I know what the National members have been trying to do. But we will move on with this.I was a little confused as I was from the two interventions by Mr Bennett: one that was completely false regarding the EU trade deal; but the second one here I wasn't sure whether he was talking about the importation or the exportation of genetics. We're actually talking about the export of products and we can—and indeed if the member thinks there's blockage to the importation of genetics from our country that people want to do that then please come and see me and I will address that with officials. But I think they facilitate that as best they can given the biosecurity requirements of the countries into which we would be exporting. But I think on balance we've been through and we've canvassed most of the issues here. I can accept the perspectives put forth by the Opposition. We don't agree with them; we think that on balance we still need to uphold the reputation and protect it for all of those generations of farmers that've got us to where we have got to and for those who will get us to where we need to be in the future.