SpeechJOANNE HAYES (National): Thank you Madam Chair. I want to talk on two areas: the referendum or the referenda—I do not like referendums. I don't like them at all. I think that as MPs we were voted into this House to make decisions to develop legislation and putting this question—Darroch Ball: Aren't you a list MP?CHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley): Actually I'm not—I'm not.JOANNE HAYES: Putting this question into the voting paper is as my colleagues have said a dereliction of duty of New Zealand First to put this on to the voting paper.So many people have contacted me around all of this this Abortion Legislation Bill. For us as MPs to be derelict in our duty to actually take it into a referendum is really a—how would you put it? I don't want to say a curse but I'd say you should stay at home and start thinking about really your role here in Parliament if that's what you want to do. At the end of the day what this particular Supplementary Order Paper states is that if the majority of electors voting at a referendum do not agree that the bill should come into force this bill is repealed. I would like to see any amendment to that immediately. It doesn't state a time frame. It is assumed that it will be immediately but I would like that time frame to be basically put in if this referendum question goes through. I think this is typical typical behaviour from New Zealand First. They did it in the End of Life Choice Bill and they're doing it in this particular piece of legislation as well. There seems to be a pattern running here that anything to do with death and dying New Zealand First want to have a referendum question about it any piece of legislation and that tells me that they just don't have the guts to actually come up and just give the—CHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley): Order! Order! Just be careful.JOANNE HAYES: My second piece of discussion around this is around the title. I think that the content of the abortion legislation itself is about the liberalisation of abortion. I have spoken about this in previous speeches. I have spoken about the fact that the unborn child has no rights—it has no rights; it will be aborted or not. I think that there is too much liberalisation post - 20 weeks. There should not be any of those things happening; there should be doctors and psychologists or counsellors there as part and parcel of the whole abortion process.I looked at the many titles that have actually been put on the Table here today. The title that I think best describes this bill is Simeon Brown's title of the Abortion (Liberalisation post- 20 weeks) Legislation Bill" because that's what this particular bill is all about. Let's not cover it up. Let's not say that it's something it's not; it is about liberalising abortion for all ages. My Supplementary Order Paper 463 around children in the Care of Children Act spoke mainly about the repeal of section 38. What this bill will do is actually offer abortion to all ages of women without any regard to any caregiver or any other person being involved to actually support that person or for that person to discuss their issues with. That's why I think that the title should be "Abortion Liberalisation Legislation Bill" as my colleague Simeon Brown so eloquently put it today.It does hurt me to be standing here arguing over this when it should be a simple vote put in this Chamber by ourselves who we regard as legislators. But a referendum actually takes that away and it is sad I believe for this House and for this country that we as members of Parliament cannot get up into this decision-making process that we were voted in to do. That's about all I have to my contribution to this title and commencement piece of the legislation. I would like for the Minister in the chair Andrew Little to actually stand and respond to the questions Simeon Brown asked the Minister. I don't support the bill."