Delahunty Catherine: Passports Amendment Bill Customs and Excise Amendment Bill New Zealand Security Intelligence Service Amendment Bill — Third ReadingsText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeDelahunty Catherine: Passports Amendment Bill Customs and Excise Amendment Bill New Zealand Security Intelligence Service Amendment Bill — Third Readings[Sitting date: 09 December 2014. Volume:702;Page:1269. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]CATHERINE DELAHUNTY (Green):Tēnā koe Mr Assistant Speaker. Tēnā koutou e te Whare i tēnei pō. It is a sad moment because despite the soothing noises the legal arguments and all the cosiness that some people are claiming it is clear to me that this legislation is being supported by people who have never experienced surveillance and that the people who are actually going to experience the surveillance or have already experienced it who came before you have a reason to understand the term “moral ambiguity”.I would like to focus on that very term because moral ambiguity is how the conflict in the Middle East has been characterised and it is fuelling the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL). Moral ambiguity from the Western powers whose weapons of supposed mass destruction and their blatant politics of oil not the politics of an ethical stance has allowed the allies to support various violent regimes some extremely misogynist when it suits the Western powers. When it suits the Western powers legislation like this will be passed. So let us not pretend that we are operating in some independent little country’s virtuous cycle of self-responsibility. This is about “Five Eyes” and this what the Americans want us to do and so we are doing it. If that is not moral ambiguity I do not know what it is.I would like to remind people of some citizens of this country who have experienced the SIS and its capacity to be morally ambiguous. Mr Ahmed Zaoui a gentleman whom I happen to know was put in solitary confinement because he was supposedly connected with terrorism because the French did not like him. He did 5 years and it cost $3 million for his name to be cleared. This man had no connection with violence—he was a member of Parliament in his own country and a non-violent person—but nevertheless ended up rotting in a cell inside New Zealand. The powers that be the SIS right up to the Prime Minister of the day refused to look at the evidence. That is how safe we feel about what can happen in this country. I would like to talk about my friend Benny Wenda who was not allowed to speak in this Parliament—a West Papuan who was on the red list for Interpol. Interpol put him on their red list for no other reason than that the Indonesians had framed him.Information from other countries about these so-called people who need to be on red lists or be in solitary confinement or who are terrorists can mean they suffer a huge price. This legislation will allow that. Despite all the reassurances that we are going to be dealing with only the bad people—because of course the world is divided neatly into good and bad people; we all know that in this House do we not—what is actually happening is a low-trust model and we are being asked to trust something that has not yet proven to be trustworthy i.e. the SIS let alone the Minister of the day having control over the SIS.I think the point is well made that the committee of this House that makes decisions around the SIS is a failed committee. If there was so much that was heard by the Foreign Affairs Defence and Trade Committee about how dangerous it all was—my colleague Dr Kennedy Graham heard all the evidence too. Somehow he was not swayed into a state of paranoia. Somehow he did not think it was necessary to forgo human rights and civil liberties in this legislation. Somehow he managed to maintain a sense of proportion in the face of a disproportionate piece of legislation that is not convincing. It has not convinced many many people. So it is very disappointing when you know how surveillance works to hear people talk as if only the bad people are at risk.We are proud to stand on our record of being peace makers because this legislation will not make peace. It will not make anyone safer. It has already made people less safe in this country because Muslim people are being targeted. They are being abused because of the Government having to create the hyperbole to pass the legislation. That is very disturbing—not to mention how much surveillance you can do in 24 hours. Tame Iti told us about the surveillance that was in his bathroom and the devices that were put in his bathroom. The SIS and others will do these things. People here think oh it will not happen to them. For people like myself who have experienced surveillance we know that this is not about all New Zealanders. This is wrong this is a betrayal and this is an abuse of human rights.