Ardern Jacinda: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume 
Ardern Jacinda: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
[Sitting date: 16 October 2012. Volume:684;Page:5800. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
4. 
JACINDA ARDERN (Labour) 
 to the  
Minister for Social Development 
: Has the Ministry of Social Development competently managed the private information in its charge? 
Hon PAULA BENNETT (Minister for Social Development) 
: 
 In relation to the Work and Income kiosks I would have to say no. 
Jacinda Ardern 
: Why did she not know about the vulnerabilities raised by an IT company a year ago when according to a letter from her to Bill English in 2009 the roll-out of the kiosks would be monitored by both her and her chief executive closely? 
Hon PAULA BENNETT 
: Because it is very operational. It was the IT division within the Ministry of Social Development that did it and it was an operational issue. 
Jacinda Ardern 
: How can the public have any faith in her plans to establish a database of vulnerable children even if it takes a year to roll out given that the latest failure was developed internally tested externally and supposedly monitored by her? 
Hon PAULA BENNETT 
: The member can keep saying that but it is factually not true in the end. It is an operational matter as far as the security of the systems and that is where it lies. The vulnerable kids information system is going to be a very very different system. Firstly it is password protected so only certain people have access to it but I do admit that it needs absolutely the right checks and balances in place. I will have the right experts within the ministry but equally externally from the ministry going through and making sure that we get that right before we put anything out there. 
Le’aufa’amulia Asenati Lole-Taylor 
: Will the security and integrity of all Ministry of Social Development databases now be checked and by when? 
Hon PAULA BENNETT 
: The chief executive has got Deloitte doing an independent review. We are doing it in two phases. The first phase will be on the immediate problem with the kiosks what has gone wrong there why what should have been done differently and what we need to do immediately to fix it. We estimate that that should take about 2 weeks. The wider issue of the systems within the ministry will also be done by Deloitte but I do not have an absolute time on that yet until it has done the original scoping. 
Jacinda Ardern 
: I seek leave to table a letter from the Minister to Bill English on the automation of front-line services where she says she will be monitoring the progress of these plans regularly with the ministry chief. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to table that document. Is there any objection? [ 
Interruption 
] Order! There is no objection. 









Document by leave laid on the Table of the House. 
Jacinda Ardern 
: When did she first learn the name of who had identified the vulnerabilities in her department’s system and did she consider this relevant information and in the public interest to know? 
Hon PAULA BENNETT 
: To the first part of the question I was informed on Wednesday afternoon last week and at that point no I did not feel like it needed to be made public. We were not sure on the veracity around it. The ministry itself had started doing checks of systems but was obviously looking in the wrong place. 
Jacinda Ardern 
: Why did her ministerial adviser access the LinkedIn profile of Ira Bailey on Thursday? 
Hon PAULA BENNETT 
: Actually it was on Wednesday and it is quite common for someone to google a name when it comes up as a person who might be looking at the systems. 
Jacinda Ardern 
: Can she assure the House that neither she nor her office leaked the name of the person who originally uncovered this serious breach of privacy? 
Hon PAULA BENNETT 
: I have answered that before but I am happy to do it again for the member. Well certainly I did not and to the best of my knowledge no one in my office did. There is a wide range of people who knew that and if the member thinks that this is the biggest issue of the day I say we have much more serious things to consider than a side issue like this. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Question No. 5 Peseta Sam Lotu-Iiga. [ 
Interruption 
] Order! I say to the Minister I have called her colleague. [ 
Interruption 
] Order! I have called the member’s colleague and I expect a little courtesy.