Peters Winston: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to MembersText is incorporated into the Bound VolumePeters Winston: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members[Sitting date: 25 September 2013. Volume:693;Page:13692. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]7.Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First) to theMinister forWhānau Ora: Does she stand by her answers to Oral Question No. 4 yesterday?Hon TARIANA TURIA (Minister forWhānau Ora):Tēnā koe Mr Speaker. Yes.Rt Hon Winston Peters: When she was asked yesterday and I repeat “Has she ever offered resources and staff such as report writers to prepareWhānau Ora commissioning agency bid documentation;” why did she answer “No.”?Hon TARIANA TURIA: Because that is the truth.Rt Hon Winston Peters: How could that possibly be the truth when she knew of funds being given to the National Hauora Coalition and when an Official Information Act document from TePuniKōkiri supports that showing that this money was “to enable the National Hauora Coalition to test the broader applicability of its key framework consistent with the Government’sWhānau Ora approach and further that this takes inWhānau Ora outcomesWhānau Ora assessments andWhānau Ora case management.”? How can her denial possibly be credible?Hon TARIANA TURIA: The Rt Hon Winston Peters was very specific in his question yesterday. He asked whether I gave $500000 plus expert help to the National Hauora Coalition to prepare its bid forWhānau Ora money—Rt Hon Winston Peters: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker.Mr SPEAKER: I apologise to the Minister. I have a point of order.Rt Hon Winston Peters: You will recall that my first supplementary question recited the question of yesterday which was the first supplementary question yesterday as well and which went this way—[Interruption]Mr SPEAKER: Order! I am trying to hear the point of order and it would be helpful if there was no objection or interjection during that point of order.Rt Hon Winston Peters: My supplementary questions are based on the first supplementary question today as it was yesterday which was whether she has ever offered resources and staff such as report writers to prepare etc. etc. That is what I want answered today.Mr SPEAKER: Order! The member raised a supplementary question and it began with “How can that possibly be the truth?”. The Minister was answering that with a full explanation as to how that could possibly be the truth. If the member does not like that answer do not raise a point of order; ask a further supplementary question. It is not for me to justify the answers given by Ministers in this House if the question has been addressed. Does the Hon Tariana Turia want to complete the answer or has she done so?Hon TARIANA TURIA: In response to the questions that the Rt Hon Winston Peters asked yesterday I answered those questions exactly as they were and I repeat those answers today.Rt Hon Winston Peters: Well if that is possibly true why yesterday immediately following question time did she approach me and state her awareness that TePuniKōkiri had paid $500000 to the National Hauora Coalition—Hon Judith Collins: She’s not the Minister.Rt Hon Winston Peters: —which was what she denied in answer to my second supplementary question yesterday which was whether she has ever offered resources and staff? Everyone knows that TePuniKōkiri is the funder ofWhānau Ora and that isthe problem. [Interruption] I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. You have got a Minister over here—Mr SPEAKER: Order! What is the point of order?Rt Hon Winston Peters: My point of order is that TePuniKōkiri is the funder ofWhānau Ora.Mr SPEAKER: That is not a point of order. [Interruption] Order! If the members want to stay for the balance of question time—[Interruption] Would the member please resume his seat. What the member is raising there is not a point of order; it is a matter of debate or a matter for clarification. It is not a point of order to raise with the Speaker of the House.Rt Hon Winston Peters: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker.Mr SPEAKER: Is this a fresh point of order?Rt Hon Winston Peters: This was my question—Mr SPEAKER: Order! I know full well what the question was.Rt Hon Winston Peters: Which was what?Mr SPEAKER: You have asked the Minister to explain the answer yesterday compared with the information you are laying before the House now. That is the question. It is then for the Minister to answer. If the Minister addresses the question and the member then wants further clarification the member does that with a further supplementary question not by point of order.Rt Hon Winston Peters: Why is the Minister indulging in attempted semantics in respect ofWhānau Ora funding when she knows it is administered by TePuniKōkiri but that does not admonish her from responsibility and when under the Official Information Act release just the other day we have this circumstance of a contract for $500000 as alleged by me and then a further contract of $1500 excluding GST on a private contract as alleged by me? How can she possibly deny that she had knowledge as she told me outside and as these documents—Mr SPEAKER: Order! Now the question is getting excessively long.Hon TARIANA TURIA: Mr Peters asked me yesterday whether I gave $500000 plus expert help to the National Hauora Coalition to prepare its bid forWhānau Ora money. I did not give it $500000 to prepare its bid forWhānau Ora money.Rt Hon Winston Peters: Why is the Minister denying knowledge of her involvement when the whole sets of contracts that I have referred to in my supplementary question about offering resources and staff such as report writers—two contracts referred to the total connectedness with theWhānau Ora programme? Why is she trying to defy gravity here?Hon TARIANA TURIA: Yesterday the member said that I offered that not to the National Hauora Coalition but to the Iwi Leaders Forum which was disputed—Rt Hon Winston Peters: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. [Interruption]Mr SPEAKER: Order! I apologise again to the Minister. I have a point of order from the Rt Hon Winston Peters.Rt Hon Winston Peters: This is the second attempt for me to get a Minister to refer to the question being asked. I did not refer to other supplementary questions from yesterday. I am referring to the specific one about resources and staff—Mr SPEAKER: Order! [Interruption] Order! This is now one of the numerous attempts when the member is obviously not satisfied with the answer and he attempts to raise it as a point of order. He must use his supplementary questions. If he has got none left today then he will have another go tomorrow. Provided the question is addressed then I am no longer responsible for the answer that is given. The member must solve his problem by asking a supplementary question.Rt Hon Winston Peters: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. It is not a question of whether I am satisfied with the answer. My point of order is that the Minister has made no attempt to answer the specific question which is what you should be ruling on.Mr SPEAKER: Order! I have ruled on it. I said that the Minister has made a genuine attempt to address the question. Question No. 8 Phil Twyford.Rt Hon Winston Peters: Point of order.Mr SPEAKER: Order! I apologise to the member. Is this a fresh point of order?Rt Hon Winston Peters: Of course it is a fresh point of order. That is why I am raising it.Mr SPEAKER: OK. We will have a fresh point of order from the Rt Hon Winston Peters.Rt Hon Winston Peters: I seek leave to table the Official Information Act report from TePuniKōkiri dated 3 September which shows the two contracts administered underWhānau Ora funding.Mr SPEAKER: Leave is sought to table that particular report. Is there any objection to that course of action? There appears to be none. It can be so tabled.Document by leave laid on the Table of the House.