Heatley Phil: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Heatley Phil: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:647;Page:16371] 
12.  
PHIL HEATLEY (National—Whangarei) 
 to the  
Minister of Housing 
: Does she have confidence in Housing New Zealand Corporation; if so why? 
Hon MARYAN STREET (Minister of Housing) 
: 
 Yes; because I support the hard work that the corporation does to house some of our most vulnerable families. 
Phil Heatley 
: Does the Minister agree with Steve Maharey who said: “Government agencies have no business holding conferences in luxury resorts.” and “Social agencies should be helping the disadvantaged rather than spending money on exclusive conferences.”; if so why did 94 corporation staff spend 2 days this month at the luxury Tongariro Lodge under her watch? 
Hon MARYAN STREET 
: I absolutely agree that a State housing agency should be looking after State tenants. The purpose of the conference was to improve the service to those tenants. 
Hon Steve Maharey 
: What are the Labour-led Government and Housing New Zealand Corporation doing to help to house some of New Zealand’s most needy families away from Tongariro? 
Hon MARYAN STREET 
: This Government has done a number of things including reintroducing income-related rents and through Housing New Zealand Corporation housing some 200000 vulnerable people. 
Phil Heatley 
: How does it as she just said improve the lot for the 10000 families on the waiting list and State house tenants who are living in squalor to do these things at the luxury conference: “promoting consistent delivery strategies” “critically reviewing processes” and “enhancing capability and delivery mechanisms”; how will it help those poor people? 
Hon MARYAN STREET 
: The cost for this conference was some $250-odd a night for accommodation food and venue hire. That was not a luxury price. The other important thing is that if the member had got his facts right he would see that these people—94 of them—came from across the country to that place to talk about the corporation’s strategic vision its goals and how it might improve service delivery. If that is the upshot of this conference done at cheap rates then I am all for it. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: It is impossible to hear the questions or the answers at the moment. 
Rt Hon Winston Peters 
: What on earth are Housing New Zealand Corporation staff doing following the example set by the National Party caucus which has its retreats not in Wellington where its members have offices that are paid for by the taxpayer but in Queenstown Picton Rotorua and Taupo all at luxury hotels? 
Hon MARYAN STREET 
: They are not following that example. This conference cost $65000. If the National Party is going after $65000 from managers in Housing New Zealand Corporation then firstly whose tax cut will that fund? Secondly how many State houses are members opposite expecting to sell in order to fund whatever their tax cut promises might be? 
Phil Heatley 
: What does she think the thousands of desperate families on the waiting list or those who live in squalid boarding houses think about 94 of the corporation’s staff spending 2 days at the luxury Tongariro Lodge? 
Hon MARYAN STREET 
: These are the people whom we are expecting over the next 5 years to insulate and retrofit 21000 remaining State houses. If this process allows them to do that better then I am all for it. They have to do these things because we require them to retrofit housing in order to ramp up our service to our State housing tenants.  
Rt Hon Winston Peters 
: Does that complaint come from the same party that allowed Christine “I now care for kids” Rankin to hold a conference for the Department of Work and Income at Wairakei costing over $250000; or have the National members all been struck down with amnesia? 
Hon MARYAN STREET 
: I absolutely concur with the point the member is making. Further to that I say $65000 for a conference might I think on the back of an envelope equate to a 1.5c tax cut but I am not sure. So if that is what the National members want then I reiterate: how many nurses doctors and teachers will they cut and how many State houses will they sell to fund a tax cut promise that we have not heard about yet? 
Phil Heatley 
: Whatever happened to Helen Clark’s pledge that “Labour will be a very careful custodian of taxpayers’ money—no more squandering public money on luxury resorts.” and how many if any alternative quotes did the corporation get from less exclusive venues? 
Hon MARYAN STREET 
: I am advised that the costs for this conference were at a very competitive rate that the corporation struck a competitive rate with that organisation for comprehensive coverage— 
Madam SPEAKER 
: It is impossible to hear the Minister’s answer. You have had your fun. You ask yourselves for other members to be quiet by saying “Shh” when your member asks the question. You should have the courtesy to let the rest of us hear the answer. 
Hon MARYAN STREET 
: Further to my answer I would say that the National Party cannot talk about conferences. It did send its housing spokesperson Phil Heatley to a private sector housing conference just recently which I refused to go to because of the cost. The conference featured Don Brash but that does not matter. The cost to each attendee was $1495 for the day. 
Phil Heatley 
: I wish to make a personal statement. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought. Is there any objection? 
Hon Trevor Mallard 
: Can he indicate what it is about? 
Madam SPEAKER 
: Can the member indicate what it is about? 
Phil Heatley 
: It is about the fact that I think I was a guest speaker there. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: Does the member still wish to make his statement? 
Phil Heatley 
: No I think the House gets the point. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: Are there any further supplementary questions? Phil Heatley— 
Rt Hon Winston Peters 
: I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. We heard the member seek clarity as to why Mr Heatley wanted to make a personal statement. He has said he was actually a speaker at this conference. We would like to know the details of the sort of engagement that would require a person to be a speaker yet pay $1000—unless it is the case that he is totally useless. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: I asked the member whether he wished to still continue with his statement. He said no he did not. The matter rests there. 
Phil Heatley 
: What does she think that desperate families who are living in squalid conditions do in their free time—gourmet dining trout fishing or just “sitting in front of an open fire over a four-course evening meal recounting the day’s activities”; and just how out of touch is this Government? 
Hon MARYAN STREET 
: I presume the member is quoting from a website because I have seen the conference programme and that question does not bear any relationship to it. So instead of misleading the public and listeners as to the content of the conference that member would be better advised to say something about the 19 or so presentations that actually happened at that conference to improve the services that we deliver to Housing New Zealand tenants. 
Phil Heatley 
: I seek leave to table question for written answer No. 4520 about corporation staff at luxury Tongariro Lodge. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to table that document. Is there any objection? Yes there is. 
Phil Heatley 
: I seek leave to table a statement “Agencies have no business holding conferences in luxury resorts” made by Steve Maharey . 
Madam SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to table that document. Is there any objection? Yes there is. 
Phil Heatley 
: I seek leave to table a statement “The party is over … for Government organisations” made by Helen Clark in l999.  
Madam SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to table that document. Is there any objection? Yes there is.