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Mallard Trevor: Motions — Olympic Games—Congratulations to New Zealand Team 
Mallard Trevor: Motions — Olympic Games—Congratulations to New Zealand Team 
[Volume:619;Page:15143] 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Minister for Sport and Recreation) 
: 
 I move  
That this House congratulate the members of New Zealand’s team who took part in the 28th Modern Olympic Games at Athens particularly gold medallists Georgina and Caroline Evers-Swindell Sarah Ulmer and Hamish Carter and silver medallists Bevan Docherty and Ben Fouhy 
. I think it is important to place on record the congratulations of the House to these athletes and to others. It is also important to acknowledge that a lot of people have put a lot of work into getting this team to that point. It probably started for this series with the late Sir David Beattie and the late John Davies former chairs of the New Zealand Olympic Committee and continued more recently with Eion Edgar and Barry Maister. John Wills Nick Hill and Katie Sadleir have made sure that this team was the best supported team that New Zealand has ever sent to an Olympic Games. Dave Currie Sir Murray Halberg and Amster Reedy together made sure that this team was a New Zealand team. It was unmistakably a New Zealand team and a real one. 
We congratulate all participants. There were some real surprises. Teams that probably only just made selection—in women’s hockey and basketball—did very credibly and all rowing teams made their finals. This was a very young team. We should be reminded that our gold medallist Sarah Ulmer was at her third Olympics and that a lot of people in the team have the potential to go back to another Games. I thank the coaches and the families and other supporters of the team. The team’s results and itsdemeanour made us all proud New Zealanders.
Brownlee Gerry: Speaker’s Statements — Smoke-free Policy—Parliamentary Complex 
Brownlee Gerry: Speaker’s Statements — Smoke-free Policy—Parliamentary Complex 
[Volume:621;Page:16783] 
GERRY BROWNLEE (Deputy Leader—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. Just reflecting on your rulings with regard to the smoke-free areas around Parliament I wonder whether you could confirm a suggestion that has been put to me that the Speaker’s flat in fact will be a place in which smoking is permissible and whether you will be bringing down an invitation policy for the House to consider. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I am pleased that that question has been raised. Absolutely not.
Hunt Jonathan: Visitors — Centre for Democratic Institutions—Sixth Pacific Parliamentary Retreat 
Hunt Jonathan: Visitors — Centre for Democratic Institutions—Sixth Pacific Parliamentary Retreat 
[Volume:621;Page:16875] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I have much pleasure in informing members that participants in the sixth Pacific parliamentary retreat of the Centre for Democratic Institutions are present in the gallery. I am sure that members would wish that they be welcomed.
Vote: Parole (Extended Supervision) and Sentencing Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Parole (Extended Supervision) and Sentencing Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:618;Page:14166] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 57 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Noes 62 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 228 in the name of Stephen Franks to clause 6A be agreed to.
Jones Dail: New Zealand Symphony Orchestra Bill — First Reading 
Jones Dail: New Zealand Symphony Orchestra Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:606;Page:3682] 
DAIL JONES (NZ First) 
: 
 New Zealand First supports this bill being referred to a select committee. I asked some questions in the House last year about the New Zealand Symphony Orchestra and I was particularly concerned that in this year’s programme there was a dearth of New Zealanders enjoying major roles. At that stage there was only one New Zealander taking part in this year’s orchestral programme. I would be interested to hear from the next Government speaker just how many New Zealanders do have principal roles in the orchestra’s programme this year. The Minister highlighted what was effectively a direction from Parliament to the orchestra which was that there should be more New Zealand involvement. He said in his speech that Parliament would not be directing the orchestra but we clearly are. It is unfortunate that we even have legislation for the orchestra. It has managed for all these years without legislation. There seems to be a demand by this Government that we have to legislate for everything so we are legislating for the New Zealand Symphony Orchestra as well.  
I enjoy the orchestra’s programmes both by way of live performance and by listening to them on the Concert Programme on the radio. Concert FM is probably my favourite radio programme. One must not forget that there are other orchestral groups around the country. Those of us in Auckland enjoy the Auckland Philharmonia Orchestra and other chamber orchestras. I am sure that the people of Christchurch of Hamilton and of various other parts of New Zealand enjoy their orchestras as well. The New Zealand Symphony Orchestra is very well funded. I support all its funding—it is probably inadequately funded—but we must not forget that there are other orchestras as well. 
I look forward to hearing Lynn Harrell this year playing Elgar’s Cello Concerto and Shostakovich’s Cello Concerto No. 1. There is an excellent line-up of conductors this year. The Tchaikovsky piano competition winner Barry Douglas and Peter Donohoe will be playing and the brilliant young violin star Ilya Gringolts will be performing as well. There is a composer focus this year with three concerts of music by Richard Strauss Rachmaninov and Prokofiev respectively. 
Debate interrupted.
Pettis Jill: Business Law Reform Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Pettis Jill: Business Law Reform Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:616;Page:12415] 
JILL PETTIS (Labour—Whanganui) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Vote: Estimates Debate —  
Vote: Estimates Debate —  
[Volume:610;Page:7170] 
A party vote was called for on the question 
 That Vote Finance be agreed to. 
Ayes 60 
Labour 52; United Future 8. 
Noes 56 
New Zealand National 26; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; Green Party 9. 
Vote agreed to.
Hunt Jonathan: Points of Order — Rodney Hide—Alleged Comment 
Hunt Jonathan: Points of Order — Rodney Hide—Alleged Comment 
[Volume:615;Page:10998] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The member should just withdraw and apologise. If members say outside the House that they intend to raise a matter of privilege that is up to them—I cannot stop them. In fact provided that the breach of privilege complaint is lodged before the next sitting of Parliament it is in order. The comments the member is referring to were made by a member outside the House. It is between the two members concerned as to how they deal with those matters. Last week’s point of order has gone because of course I asked the member a question and he gave me an answer.
Brash Don: Reserve Bank of New Zealand Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
Brash Don: Reserve Bank of New Zealand Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
[Volume:610;Page:8020] 
Dr DON BRASH (NZ National) 
: 
 I shall make only a very small short comment. I express my appreciation to the Minister of Finance for his efforts at making this a multiparty bill. As he pointed out I was governor of the bank when this bill was first introduced into the House. Prior to its introduction the Minister was diligent in talking to all the major parties in Parliament. He sought their agreement to what he had decided to do. He got that agreement and this bill therefore reflects that consensus. It goes back 13 or 14 years when we first got a broad parliamentary consensus in favour of a structure for monetary policy in New Zealand and it is a tremendously positive development that that multiparty cross-parliamentary support has been continued in this way. I register my appreciation for the Minister’s efforts. This is a precedent that we should certainly be continuing.
Hobbs Marian: Care of Children Bill — Instruction to Committee Procedure In Committee 
Hobbs Marian: Care of Children Bill — Instruction to Committee Procedure In Committee 
[Volume:621;Page:16669] 
Hon MARIAN HOBBS (Minister for the Environment) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put.
Vote: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Procedure Referral to Health Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled  Speaker Recalled In Committee Procedure 
Vote: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Procedure Referral to Health Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled  Speaker Recalled In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:613;Page:9974] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 53 
New Zealand National 24; New Zealand First 12; ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Noes 65 
New Zealand Labour 52; New Zealand National 3; New Zealand First 1; Green Party 9. 
Amendment not agreed to.
Tabling of Documents — Minister of Police—Allegations made by New Zealand First Member's Bill—Prisoners' Human Rights 
Tabling of Documents — Minister of Police—Allegations made by New Zealand First Member's Bill—Prisoners' Human Rights 
[Volume:620;Page:15754] 
Tabling of Documents 
Minister of Police—Allegations made by New Zealand First 
CLAYTON COSGROVE (Labour—Waimakariri) 
: 
 Yesterday in the House New Zealand First List MP Ron Mark accused me of misrepresentation in respect of an allegation I made that the New Zealand First Party had called on the Minister of Police to breach the longstanding constitutional convention relating to the separation of powers between the Minister of Police and the Commissioner of Police by calling on the Minister to intervene in matters rightly the preserve of the police by accessing and reviewing police files. Therefore I seek leave to table transcripts from the parliamentary website that clearly show that members of the New Zealand First Party have called on the Minister of Police to intervene by accessing and reviewing police files. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to table that document. Is there any objection? There is. 
Member's Bill—Prisoners' Human Rights 
STEPHEN FRANKS (ACT) 
: 
 I seek leave to table a bill to achieve the end of the misuse of human rights law by criminals in prison. I realise that it is an unusual step to take. I have drafted this bill and I believe that it would get the approval of the National Party. I seek leave to dispense— 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to table that bill. Is there any objection? There is.
Gallagher Martin: Electoral (Vacancies) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
Gallagher Martin: Electoral (Vacancies) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:610;Page:7794] 
MARTIN GALLAGHER (NZ Labour—Hamilton West) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Prebble Richard: General Debate 
Prebble Richard: General Debate 
[Volume:621;Page:16335] 
Hon RICHARD PREBBLE (ACT) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I object but I do invite Mr Clayton Cosgrove to take up the challenge. If he is giving his undertaking to members that he is prepared to give us a 5-minute defence of Mr Tamihere because he knows the charges against him then at that point I think that everybody in the House—especially as Mr Tamihere cannot be here—would be quite happy to hear that 5-minute defence.
Pillay Lynne: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Pillay Lynne: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:617;Page:12916] 
4.  
LYNNE PILLAY (Labour—Waitakere) 
 to the  
Associate Minister of Labour 
: What progress is being made towards the Government’s commitment to develop a programme promoting pay and employment equity in the public sector? 
Hon RUTH DYSON (Associate Minister of Labour) 
: 
 I was delighted to announce today that the Government has endorsed the four key recommendations of the Pay and Employment Equity Taskforce. These are: a clear Government commitment to pay and employment equity in the public service public education and public health sectors; development of tools to assess pay and employment equity; establishment of a unit to oversee a 5-year action plan to implement that programme; and use of existing processes such as collective bargaining and accountability mechanisms as part of the implementation. 
Lynne Pillay 
: Why is it necessary to address pay and employment equity issues now? 
Hon RUTH DYSON 
: Over a decade ago New Zealand had pay and employment equity legislation. The first act of the incoming National Government in 1990 was to repeal that law. Now we need a new and sustainable plan to address the pay and employment gap between men and women and to ensure that women’s contribution in the workplace is maximised and valued. The taskforce report provides that way forward. 
Sue Kedgley 
: In light of the Government’s stated commitment to promote pay and employment equity in the public sector can the Government assure New Zealanders that it will be supporting nurses in their pay equity claim and assisting district health boards to implement it; if so how? 
Hon RUTH DYSON 
: As the member knows the New Zealand Nurses Organisation was officially part of the task force that prepared the report to which the Government has positively responded. Could I draw the House’s attention to a statement today by District Health Boards New Zealand chair Syd Bradley who said the Government needed to be congratulated on providing a way through a complex emotive issue and for trying to find a process to identify and remedy any pay gaps. District Health Boards New Zealand is the employer organisation with which the nurses will be negotiating.
Vote: Prostitution Reform Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Prostitution Reform Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:609;Page:6182] 
A personal vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 63 
Awatere Huata 
Ewen-Street (P) 
Kedgley (P) 
Smith L 
Barker (P) 
Fairbrother (P) 
King 
Smith N 
Barnett 
Fitzsimons(P) 
Laban (P) 
Sowry 
Benson-Pope 
Gallagher 
Locke (P) 
Sutton (P) 
Beyer 
Goff 
Maharey (P) 
Swain (P) 
Bradford 
Gosche (P) 
Mahuta (P) 
Tamihere (P) 
Burton (P) 
Hartley (P) 
Mallard (P) 
Tanczos 
Chadwick 
Hawkins (P) 
Mapp 
Te Heuheu 
Choudhary (P) 
Hereora 
Okeroa 
Tizard (P) 
Clark (P) 
Hide 
Parker 
Turei (P) 
Collins 
Hobbs (P) 
Pillay (P) 
Turia (P) 
Cullen (P) 
Hodgson (P) 
Rich 
Ward (P) 
Cunliffe (P) 
Horomia (P) 
Ririnui 
Williamson (P) 
Dalziel (P) 
Hughes 
Ryall 
Wilson (P) 
Donald (P) 
Hunt (P) 
Shirley 
Teller: 
Duncan (P) 
Hutchison 
Simich 
Pettis 
Noes 51 
Adams  
Dunne (P) 
Mark (P) 
Robson (P) 
Alexander 
Duynhoven  
McNair (P) 
Roy 
Anderton (P)  
Dyson (P) 
Newman (P) 
Samuels (P)  
Baldock 
Eckhoff (P) 
O’Connor (P) 
Scott (P) 
Brown  
Field 
Ogilvy 
Smith M 
Brownlee (P)  
Franks  
Paraone (P)  
Stewart 
Carter C (P) 
Goudie 
Peck (P) 
Tisch (P) 
Catchpole 
Gudgeon (P) 
Perry (P) 
Turner 
Coddington (P) 
Jones (P) 
Peters J (P) 
Woolerton (P) 
Connell (P) 
Kelly (P) 
Peters W (P)  
Worth (P) 
Copeland 
Key (P) 
Power (P) 
Yates 
Cosgrove (P) 
Mackey (P) 
Prebble (P) 
Teller: 
Donnelly (P) 
Mahuta  
Robertson 
Carter J 
Amendment agreed to.
Donald Rod: Ngati Awa Claims Settlement Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Donald Rod: Ngati Awa Claims Settlement Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:623;Page:18733] 
ROD DONALD (Co-Leader—Green) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I do not want to have a debate on that. The Greens support the bill. I just want somebody to explain to me where in recital (10A) of the Maori text are the Maori words for 8 July 2002 which are in the English text. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich) 
: If the member wants someone to explain that to him I will ask the Minister to do so. 
ROD DONALD 
: Yes because it just does not seem to be there. If I may ask a second question then I will not say anything more in this debate. Why can the numbers in Maori not connect with the numbers in English which would help to reduce the public’s confusion when this bill is finally passed so that people could look at one number and text in English—
Peters Winston: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
Peters Winston: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
[Volume:618;Page:14324] 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 I seek leave for an extension of time for the United Future party to now tell us why they are voting for this Budget which has that very tax in it. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Under Speaker’s rulings 1/5 and 1/6 a member cannot seek leave for someone else. 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS 
: I am moving an extension of time. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: The House is the master of its own destiny. Is there any objection? There is.
Wilson Margaret: Privilege — Allegations—David Benson-Pope MP 
Wilson Margaret: Privilege — Allegations—David Benson-Pope MP 
[Volume:626;Page:21039] 
Madam SPEAKER 
: I thank the member for his point of order. I have followed existing Speakers’ rulings on this matter and as members will note there is a high standard for a prima facie case to be made. I have not departed from the previous rulings and all the advice I got and I took was on that basis.
Chadwick Steve: Prisoners' and Victims' Claims Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Chadwick Steve: Prisoners' and Victims' Claims Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:626;Page:20936] 
STEVE CHADWICK (Labour—Rotorua) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Hunt Jonathan: Urgent Debates — Solomon Islands—Deployment of Police and Military Forces 
Hunt Jonathan: Urgent Debates — Solomon Islands—Deployment of Police and Military Forces 
[Volume:609;Page:6691] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I have received a letter from the Leader of the Opposition seeking to debate under Standing Order 376 a decision in principle that New Zealand will send police officers and military forces to the Solomon Islands as part of the South Pacific’s intervention in that country. The announcement by the Minister of Foreign Affairs and Trade that the decision has been taken in principle is I believe a particular case of recent occurrence even though the final details of that intervention have not yet been settled. The matter clearly involves ministerial responsibility and requires the immediate attention of the House. I therefore accept the application and call on the member to move the motion accordingly.
Robson Matt: Identity (Citizenship and Travel Documents) Bill — First Reading 
Robson Matt: Identity (Citizenship and Travel Documents) Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:618;Page:14510] 
Hon MATT ROBSON (Whip—Progressive) 
: 
 I seek leave for the votes cast by the Progressive Party in party votes on the Identity (Citizenship and Travel Documents) Bill to include numbers cast for the Ayes and for the Noes and to record abstentions notwithstanding Standing Order 144(1)(b). 
Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought for that purpose. Is there any objection? There is not. That is agreed to.
Donnelly Brian: New Organisms and Other Matters Bill — In Committee 
Donnelly Brian: New Organisms and Other Matters Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:611;Page:8860] 
Hon BRIAN DONNELLY (NZ First) 
: 
 I am wanting to endorse that we are not telling you how to do your job but just bringing this to your attention so that you comprehend that this commencement clause is much more significant in this case than in most cases. Therefore we ask that it could be more fully debated—not broadening the scope of it but just more fully debated in terms of time. The other thing I want to draw to your attention is that Part 2 is it! There are Parts 3 4 and 5 but I do not think anyone is going to be able to take a call on them. But we really do require very very full opportunity in Part 2. I just bring it to your attention so that you can make your own judgment call.
Fairbrother Russell: Resource Management and Electricity Legislation Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Fairbrother Russell: Resource Management and Electricity Legislation Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:622;Page:17985] 
RUSSELL FAIRBROTHER (Labour—Napier) 
: 
 Some recesses of people’s minds should never be revealed publicly. We just heard the meanderings of the last speaker Peter Brown—which came from the recesses of his mind—whereby he hoped for things and uttered things that he does not understand. The key is that in this bill he wants efficiency effectiveness and certainty. I remind him of the main objectives of the bill which provide just those three things—efficiency effectiveness and certainty. 
Peter Brown 
: How is that achieved? 
RUSSELL FAIRBROTHER 
: That is achieved by enabling central government to better express the national interest so that decision makers have clear guidance on how to take national interest matters into account. That is fundamental to the efficient operation of the Resource Management Act. How is it effective? It enables consent processes to be undertaken in a manner that is effective and efficient and that provides certainty of process for applications. It is effective because it improves the effectiveness of planning documents to enable their timely development. It is certain because it provides certainty of consultation requirements for resource management matters. So when Peter Brown gets the Christmas fairy to read his last speech back to him he will realise that deep down in his heart he supports this bill. New Zealand First members will flock after him and vote for it at its later readings.
Vote: Parole (Extended Supervision) and Sentencing Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Parole (Extended Supervision) and Sentencing Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:618;Page:14168] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 17 
Green Party 9; ACT New Zealand 8. 
Noes 102 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; United Future 8; Progressive 2; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Tony Ryall to clause 10 be agreed to: 
to omit from paragraph (a) of section 107I(1A) the word “may” and susbtitute the word “must”.
Yates Dianne: Films Videos and Publications Classification  Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Yates Dianne: Films Videos and Publications Classification  Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:623;Page:18636] 
DIANNE YATES (Labour—Hamilton East) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Wilson Margaret: Points of Order — Questions for Oral Answer—Deferment 
Wilson Margaret: Points of Order — Questions for Oral Answer—Deferment 
[Volume:625;Page:20522] 
Madam SPEAKER 
: No I have heard enough. Thank you very much. Let me rule on the first point of order please. If the member has another point I am sure there will be plenty of opportunity for other points to be put. I would just note on the point of order that as members are aware the Standing Orders in this Parliament mean that questions can be put to any Minister on any day. That is what the Standing Orders provide. I would also just note however that in other Parliaments the practice is different and Ministers are rostered to give answers to any questions that come up. Invariably under our system there will be occasions when Ministers are not available under our Standing Orders so the Standing Orders do provide that questions can be put to any Minister on any day.
Vote: Taxation (Base Maintenance and MiscellaneousProvisions) Bill — First Reading 
Vote: Taxation (Base Maintenance and MiscellaneousProvisions) Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:622;Page:18071] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Taxation (Base Maintenance and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill be now read a first time. 
Ayes 111 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2; Maori Party 1. 
Noes 9 
ACT New Zealand 9. 
Bill read a first time and referred to the Finance and Expenditure Committee.
Pillay Lynne: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Pillay Lynne: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:613;Page:10056] 
2.  
LYNNE PILLAY (Labour—Waitakere) 
 to the  
Associate Minister of Education (Tertiary Education) 
): What progress is the Tertiary Education Commission making in improving the quality of information on research output in the tertiary education sector? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY (Associate Minister of Education (Tertiary Education)) 
: 
 Last year the Government announced the Performance-based Research Fund aimed at allocating $150 million of funding on the basis of research excellence. The Tertiary Education Commission announced on Friday that applications have been received covering almost 6000 researchers for that money. Their work will now be assessed and beginning from next year the new research funding model will be in place. 
Lynne Pillay 
: How is the process run; and how will providers be rewarded? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY 
: The work of researchers will be peer-assessed by panels of independent New Zealand and international researchers. Excellence will be rewarded—meaning that resources will be allocated in a way that supports New Zealand having world-leading research. 
Nandor Tanczos 
: What is the Government doing to protect public access to research where it is partly funded by the private sector and partly by the public sector? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY 
: I imagine that the member has a particular case in mind. If he wants to bring it to my attention he should please do so. But he will know that the way contract research runs is that if there is a public provider of funding and a private provider of funding the contract will set out how that research is to be used. 
Deborah Coddington 
: Will the Tertiary Education Commission be measuring the improvement in research excellence as a result of compulsory consultation with iwi groups; if not why not? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY 
: Yes the Tertiary Education Commission will be measuring the improvement in excellence within research and has already released indicators for how it will do this. I want to say to members in the House that I do not know of a single person in the country who opposes a performance-based research fund and I ask National members if they want to sink even lower to say that they would repeal this.
Wilson Margaret: Holidays Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Wilson Margaret: Holidays Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:614;Page:10507] 
Hon MARGARET WILSON (Minister of Labour) 
: 
 I move  
That it be an instruction to the Committee of the whole House on the Holidays Bill that it take the bill part by part and consider any schedules as one question 
.
Vote: Imports and Exports (Restrictions) Amendment Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH 
Vote: Imports and Exports (Restrictions) Amendment Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH 
[Volume:609;Page:6946] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the motion be agreed to. 
Ayes 71 
Labour 52; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 47 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 7. 
Motion agreed to.
Vote: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Procedure Referral to Health Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled  Speaker Recalled In Committee Procedure 
Vote: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Procedure Referral to Health Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled  Speaker Recalled In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:613;Page:9979] 
A party vote  was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 67 
New Zealand Labour 52; New Zealand National 3; New Zealand First 1; Green Party 9; Progressive 2. 
Noes 53 
New Zealand National 24; New Zealand First 12; ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Amendment agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 119 in the name of Sue Kedgley to omit new section 17A(5) in clause 7 be agreed to.
Hunt Jonathan: Speaker’s Rulings — Stranger in the Lobbies—President of Council of Trade Unions  
Hunt Jonathan: Speaker’s Rulings — Stranger in the Lobbies—President of Council of Trade Unions  
[Volume:620;Page:16104] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Yes it was the senior Government whip.
Vote: Human Assisted Reproductive Technology Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Vote: Human Assisted Reproductive Technology Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:620;Page:15931] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 30 
New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8. 
Noes 90 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand National 27; ACT New Zealand 8; Progressive 2; Maori Party 1; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 269 in the name of Sue Kedgley to insert new clause 35A be agreed to.
Shirley Ken: Telecommunications (Interception Capability) Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
Shirley Ken: Telecommunications (Interception Capability) Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:616;Page:12300] 
Hon KEN SHIRLEY (Deputy Leader—ACT) 
: 
 Very briefly I say the ACT party will be supporting this legislation—certainly not unreservedly though and I do not believe any member of Parliament who has studied this bill should accept it unreservedly. In an ideal world we would not favour these measures because they are an intrusion by the State into what we regard as basic freedoms civil liberties and privacy. But on balance we have come to a firm view that we do not live in an ideal world—certainly not in these times—and it is for those reasons that this bill is necessary. The bill is certainly not accepted without reservation; it is accepted with considerable reservation. But we will be voting for it.
Vote: Foreshore and Seabed Bill — First Reading 
Vote: Foreshore and Seabed Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:617;Page:12743] 
A party vote  was called for on the question  
That the motion be agreed to. 
Ayes 65 
New Zealand Labour 50; New Zealand First 13; Progressive 2. 
Noes 55 
New Zealand National 27; Green Party 9; ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 8; Independent: Awatere Huata; Other: Mahuta Turia. 
Motion agreed to.
Vote: Identity (Citizenship and Travel Documents) Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Vote: Identity (Citizenship and Travel Documents) Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:625;Page:20131] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 10 
Green Party 8; Maori Party 1; Other: Robson. 
Noes 104 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand National 24; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 7; United Future 8; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 359 in the name of the Hon George Hawkins to insert new clause 46A be agreed to.
Fairbrother Russell: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Fairbrother Russell: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:614;Page:10277] 
5.  
RUSSELL FAIRBROTHER (Labour—Napier) 
 to the  
Associate Minister of Education (Tertiary Education) 
: What initiatives has he undertaken to build capability in the tertiary sector? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY (Associate Minister of Education (Tertiary Education)) 
: 
 Last week I announced that the Government would invest $25 million in the University of Otago Leading Thinkers programme. Twenty-five new knowledge leader projects will be built on disciplines like health sciences and biotechnology in which the university already has acknowledged strengths. The funding comes from the new Partnership for Excellence facility for public-private sector tertiary education investment. This enables tertiary institutions to seek matching funding from the Government for large-scale investment projects. 
Russell Fairbrother 
: Has the Minister seen other proposals for building capacity in the tertiary education sector? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY 
: I have seen a proposal that would allow tertiary institutions to raise fees to 60 or 75 percent of tuition costs and give students the choice of a “Rolls-Royce” education or a “mini” education depending on their circumstances. The Government will not adopt this proposal but in the absence of any policy emerging from Bill English I assume that this Young Nats discussion paper is an indication of the National Party’s position. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The last part of the answer is not relevant. 
Hon Brian Donnelly 
: Given that a fundamental of the Tertiary Education Advisory Commission recommendations is that all post - compulsory education funding will be administered by the Tertiary Education Advisory Commission does that commission administer Training Opportunities Programme funding; if not why not? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY 
: Funding in that area of course is under the aegis of the Ministry of Social Development but it does so in consultation with the Tertiary Education Advisory Commission.
Mackey Moana: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Mackey Moana: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:614;Page:10706] 
2.  
MOANA MACKEY (Labour) 
 to the  
Minister for Social Development and Employment 
: How is the Government assisting tertiary students over the summer period? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY (Minister for Social Development and Employment) 
: 
 Good news! This summer Student Job Search is aiming to place more than 30000 students in employment. The Government funds Student Job Search operations during the summer; student associations fund it during term time. StudyLink pays Student Job Search $3.4 million a year including nearly $1 million from Budget 2003 targeted towards skilled job placements and a snap job-matching programme. It is very popular with students. 
Moana Mackey 
: Does the Government also provide direct assistance to students? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY 
: Even more good news! Yes a range of support is available from StudyLink. For example if the cost of buying work clothes cannot be met StudyLink can help with a work-study grant. The unemployment benefit student hardship is a weekly payment to help meet living costs while students look for full-time work. Usually students will help to qualify for a student allowance during term time to get the support. We have done all these things with the support of students. That is why they support them. 
Sue Bradford 
: In the light of the current Budget surplus when will the Minister restore entitlement to an emergency unemployment benefit to all genuinely unemployed students in summer—a move that he supported back in the 1990s? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY 
: Apart from the 30000 students that Student Job Search has been funded to place this year I should note that last year during the summer period over 20000 students received help through what is known as the unemployment benefit student hardship which is the emergency unemployment benefit in practice. Those students will access it again this year if they need it. 
Bernie Ogilvy 
: Does the Minister intend to clear up the anomalies of testing of parental income for student allowances of those under the age of 25 and testing the personal income of those under 25 on any other benefit including the unemployment benefit student hardship; if not why not? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY 
: The member will be aware that we have just finished a consultation exercise with students and others around the country on student support matters and I hope to make some announcements around those issues next year.
Cullen Michael: Business Statement 
Cullen Michael: Business Statement 
[Volume:623;Page:18313] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 Next week in the House following the completion of the Prime Minister’s statement debate priority will be given to the Customs and Excise (Motor Spirits) Amendment Bill the Films Videos and Publications Classification Amendment Bill the Lawyers and Conveyancers Bill and the first readings of the Ngaa Rauru Kiitahi Claims Settlement Bill the Terrorism Suppression Amendment Bill (No 2) and the Veterinarians Bill. Wednesday is a members’ day.
Visitors — Socialist Republic of Vietnam—President of the National Assembly United Kingdom—Parliamentary Delegation Commonwealth Parliamentary Association 
Visitors — Socialist Republic of Vietnam—President of the National Assembly United Kingdom—Parliamentary Delegation Commonwealth Parliamentary Association 
[Volume:618;Page:14293] 
Tuesday 27 July 2004 
Mr Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2.15 p.m. 
Prayers 
. 
Visitors 
Socialist Republic of Vietnam—President of the National Assembly 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Honourable members first I have much pleasure in informing you that His Excellency Mr Nguyen Van An President of the National Assembly of the Socialist Republic of Vietnam is within the precincts of the Chamber. I am sure that members would wish he be welcomed and accorded a seat on the left of the Chair and that the House would also welcome the members of the delegation in the gallery. 
His Excellency Mr Nguyen Van An accompanied by the Minister of Foreign Affairs and Trade entered the Chamber and took a seat on the left of the Chair. 
United Kingdom—Parliamentary Delegation Commonwealth Parliamentary Association 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I also have much pleasure in informing members that a parliamentary delegation from the United Kingdom branch of the Commonwealth Parliamentary Association is present in the gallery. I am sure members would wish that those visitors be welcomed too.
Vote: Public Finance (State Sector Management) Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Public Finance (State Sector Management) Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:622;Page:17907] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 9 
Green Party 9. 
Noes 110 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Rod Donald to clause 157 be agreed to: 
to omit subclause (3) and substitute the following new subclause: 
(3)For the purpose of this section a pay and employment equity programme means a programme that is aimed at the identification and elimination of all aspects of policies procedures and other institutional barriers that cause or perpetuate or tend to cause or perpetuate inequality in respect of the employment and remuneration of any persons or group of persons.
Locke Keith: Identity (Citizenship and Travel Documents) Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Locke Keith: Identity (Citizenship and Travel Documents) Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:625;Page:20126] 
KEITH LOCKE (Green) 
: 
 I will finish the point I was making in my last speech: the Greens are opposed to giving the Minister of Internal Affairs the power to take away a passport—even though we know that George Hawkins would apply it very fairly—because we believe we should not give a politician such a power; we should be governed by judicial processes. Even if that power were passed tonight the Green Party would like it restrained as much as possible and we support Matt Robson’s amendment in that respect. 
The question of how to apply any subsequent appeal processes after the Minister’s decision was brought up in the Government Administration Committee by the Human Rights Commission the Auckland Council for Civil Liberties and the Human Rights Foundation. The joint submission by the Auckland Council for Civil Liberties and the Human Rights Foundation stated particularly in relation to New Zealand citizens: “If the state proposes to take action against a person present within our borders—and all the more so a New Zealand citizen—the information in which that action is to be based must surely be fully disclosed and the case proved by admissible evidence to the necessary standard?”. The Human Rights Commission took a different tack in that judicial debate which is a debate going on around the world as to how to deal with classified security information. The commission suggested a process of allowing security-cleared legal representatives to hear all classified security information. 
The problem that that submission addressed is that if some information is hidden away from the person accused we get into a problem—the sort of problem that Ahmed Zaoui is in at the present time. He still does not know what the Security Intelligence Service has against him—in fact if it does have anything further against him other than the generalities offered so far. 
One reason why we have to be scared of giving politicians the right to affect our future such as by taking away the passport of a New Zealander comes out of what Stephen Franks said earlier. He said that when we are dealing with non - New Zealand citizens in relation to people coming here suspicion is enough. I think that that is the problem. If we give a case to a politician—and politicians have all sorts of political agendas and there are good politicians and very bad politicians; we see them around the world—we believe that suspicion is not enough. 
We have to stick in all cases to due process—to the people accused being properly provided with the information against them and having the full right to defend themselves—and independent judicial decisions. If we depart from those in any sense and I think this bill does to some extent then we are in trouble.
Yates Dianne: Human Assisted Reproductive Technology Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Yates Dianne: Human Assisted Reproductive Technology Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:620;Page:15936] 
DIANNE YATES (Labour—Hamilton East) 
: 
 Yes.
Brownlee Gerry: Urgent Debates Declined — Government Transport Package Foreshore and Seabed Human Rights Review Tribunal Decision Points of Order 
Brownlee Gerry: Urgent Debates Declined — Government Transport Package Foreshore and Seabed Human Rights Review Tribunal Decision Points of Order 
[Volume:614;Page:10725] 
GERRY BROWNLEE (Deputy Leader—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: People are relitigating my decision. I have not heard a new point of order in the last 10 minutes. If this is a point of order it had better be a new one. 
GERRY BROWNLEE 
: It is new material—quite new material. I ask Dr Cullen whether he is telling the House that although quite clearly documents have gone to the printers in readiness for the announcement at 2 p.m. tomorrow those documents may be pulled or shredded and the press advisory that has gone out may be rescinded. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: That is getting into question time. That is not my ruling.
Vote: Resource Management (Energy and Climate Change) Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Vote: Resource Management (Energy and Climate Change) Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:615;Page:11338] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 70 
New Zealand Labour 52; Green Party 8; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 46 
New Zealand National 25; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8. 
Motion agreed to.
Barker Rick: Appropriation (2003/04 Supplementary Estimates) Bill Imprest Supply (First for 2004/05) Bill — Third Readings 
Barker Rick: Appropriation (2003/04 Supplementary Estimates) Bill Imprest Supply (First for 2004/05) Bill — Third Readings 
[Volume:618;Page:13824] 
Hon RICK BARKER (Minister for Courts) 
 on behalf of the 
 Minister of Finance 
: I move  
That the Appropriation (2003/04 Supplementary Estimates) Bill and the Imprest Supply (First for 2004/05) Bill be now read a third time 
. 
Bills read a third time.
Robertson H V Ross: Supreme Court Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Robertson H V Ross: Supreme Court Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:612;Page:9023] 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I gave a ruling on the point of order. This is about the voting. That is why we are in this situation now—because it is about the voting.
Parker David: Crimes Amendment Bill (No 6) — Consideration of Report of Law and Order Committee 
Parker David: Crimes Amendment Bill (No 6) — Consideration of Report of Law and Order Committee 
[Volume:609;Page:6246] 
DAVID PARKER (NZ Labour—Otago) 
: 
 I rise in support of this bill and I want to speak to two aspects of it. The first is hacking and trade secrets in particular. Until this legislation is passed there is a lacuna in our law relating to various computer hacking crimes including those relating to trade secrets. A little personal anecdote will show the increasing relevance of that in an age where proprietary information is of increasing value and is normally held in electronic form. One of the biotechnology companies I was involved in prior to election stored its information on computer as most organisations do. That organisation was lucky that a relation of one of the major shareholders and directors was a computer guru and had installed anti-hacking software. That anti-hacking software recorded attacks on the firewall between it and the Internet connection through which other people were trying to access information on the computer. The software also sent back a “worm”—as they call it—to track the source of the attempts at industrial espionage. It tracked them to a university in a country in the East and as a consequence of that we made complaints through the various police authorities in New Zealand. It became apparent that even if we were eventually able to pin anything with any degree of proof on the people attempting to steal the information there was no effective remedy available to the New Zealand authorities because of a lacuna in the legislation which would mean that nothing was being stolen. This legislation remedies that by introducing provisions that say that trade secrets stored in electronic form can be property for the purposes of theft. It also prohibits the hacking that would be used to get at that property. Those are good reforms. 
The other thing I would like to mention briefly is penalties. One of the submitters to the Law and Order Committee—and this is recorded in the select committee commentary—suggested that penalties for causing intentional damage to computer systems should be increased from a maximum of 7 years’ imprisonment to 14 years. I think the select committee reacted quite appropriately to that. It noted that when it comes to penalties for damage to property there should be consistency between computers and other private property. It then noted that a maximum of 14 years would be inappropriate because penalties of that magnitude should be reserved for serious offences against the person rather than against property. The committee amended the penalty provisions in the Act so that the maximum of 10 years’ imprisonment is applicable where the person who does the damage knows that it will endanger life. In respect of all other property damage—be it to computers or other property—the maximum penalty is 7 years’ imprisonment. Those are the two pointsI would like to make and I recommend the legislation to the House.
Retirements — Office of the Clerk—Mr Robert O'Hagan 
Retirements — Office of the Clerk—Mr Robert O'Hagan 
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Retirements 
Office of the Clerk—Mr Robert O'Hagan 
H V ROSS ROBERTSON (Labour—Manukau East) 
: 
 I move  
That this House note the retirement this week of Robert O’Hagan after 38 years of Government service including his work since 1976 in this building for the Legislative Department the Parliamentary Service and the Office of the Clerk where his duties have included getting yellows and greens to members and assisting with indexing and written questions. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I would also like to add my personal congratulations to Mr O’Hagan. 
Motion agreed to.