Jones Dail: General Debate 
Jones Dail: General Debate 
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DAIL JONES (NZ First) 
: 
 From time to time I ask myself what I am doing here as a member of Parliament what I ought to be doing and what we in New Zealand First as an Opposition should be telling the Government it should be doing. One of the obvious examples that we have at the moment is the failure of this Government to do anything about this refugee Ahmed Zaoui. I will read from the decision of the Court of Appeal and Justice Glazebrook who refers to this person. I quote from paragraph 165 where she refers to: “ … Mr Zaoui’s Algerian convictions the decisions declining him refugee status in Belgium the Belgian and French convictions the deportation from Switzerland non-classified information provided by the SIS newspaper reports linking Mr Zaoui to the GIA in Algeria and other armed groups and an alleged admission as to membership by Mr Zaoui on arrival in New Zealand.” One wonders why this person is in New Zealand. Those comments are from Justice Glazebrook in talking about this person who is regarded as a refugee in New Zealand. 
Keith Locke 
: You’re not telling the truth. 
DAIL JONES 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. [ 
Interruption 
] That member is lying. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Clem Simich) 
: Order! 
DAIL JONES 
: I am speaking the truth. I am quoting from the judge’s decision. I ask that the member be asked to withdraw and apologise. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Clem Simich) 
: I ask the member to please be seated— 
DAIL JONES 
: I am asking him to withdraw and apologise— 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Clem Simich) 
: I am going to ask the member to do something— 
Keith Locke 
: Point of order— 
DAIL JONES 
: I am speaking the truth. I am quoting from Justice Glazebrook’s decision. The Greens just cannot take it. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Clem Simich) 
: Order! 
Keith Locke 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. The justice upheld the Refugee Appeals—[ 
Interruption 
] 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Clem Simich) 
: The member will sit down when I am standing up. 
Keith Locke 
: I am sorry. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Clem Simich) 
: I should say so. The next time the member wants to speak he should make a call. 
DAIL JONES 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. The member said I was not speaking the truth. I am quoting the words of Justice Glazebrook. She referred to this person as having “… Algerian convictions … Belgian and French convictions … deportation from Switzerland …” I am quoting from the judgment. I ask that the member withdraw and apologise because I am telling the truth and he said I was not. He is not entitled to say that I am not telling the truth. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Clem Simich) 
: I thank the member. We will dispose of that. I did not hear what Mr Locke said but if the speaker on his feet thought that that is what was said then I ask the member to withdraw. 
Keith Locke 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Clem Simich) 
: No no. I ask the member whether he said that to Mr Jones. 
Keith Locke 
: My interjection— 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Clem Simich) 
: Yes or no? 
Keith Locke 
: Not on its own I said he was not telling the truth—no. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Clem Simich) 
: Did the member use those words at all? 
Keith Locke 
: I cannot remember the exact words I said. If I said words that were reflecting on his honesty— 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Clem Simich) 
: Would the member withdraw and apologise? 
Keith Locke 
: —I withdraw and apologise yes. 
DAIL JONES 
: Thank you Mr Assistant Speaker. I was quoting from Justice Glazebrook’s decision page 165 if that member would care to read it. The Greens of course are not interested in the truth of these matters in that respect. 
Of course the important thing about Justice Glazebrook’s decision is that she came down to the situation where I believe we are seeing incompetence on the part of the Labour Party. To put it in simple terms Justice Glazebrook has said that if Zaoui is a threat to the national security of countries overseas he might be able to stay in New Zealand. What the inspector-general has to establish is whether Zaoui is a threat to the national security of New Zealand. That is an extraordinary situation to be in. Mr Locke now agrees with me—which is the point I was coming to. 
Here we have a person Ahmed Zaoui whose risks to this country have been listed by Justice Glazebrook but we have to establish that Mr Zaoui is a risk perhaps to Australia to Fiji to New Caledonia or to Tahiti before—according to current law and according to Justice Glazebrook’s present interpretation—he can be deported. If I were an Australian a Fijian or a Tahitian and I knew that Mr Zaoui was living in my country that he was the leader of the Armed Islamic Group (GIA) that he was charged in and expelled from Switzerland because of a massacre of Swiss tourists in North Africa and that he left South-east Asia shortly after the Bali bombings—which is when he came to New Zealand to find another spot to live in—I would try to eliminate him. There is no doubt about the matter. 
Why have someone who is a terrorist living safely in New Zealand? The courts of New Zealand say that he is not a threat to our security even though he might be a threat to the security of Australia Fiji or somewhere else—and that in my view makes him a threat to the national security of New Zealand. But if there is any doubt about it I say to the Labour Party that we should have legislation before us tomorrow to tidy up this loophole. Instead of the Labour Party bringing in civil union bills and spending time on prostitution reform bills and instead of it being sidetracked on John Tamihere it should be making sure that we are safe in New Zealand. 
This Ahmed Zaoui is a man whose political party in Algeria was funded by Saudi Arabia. The Islamic Salvation Front (FIS) was supported by a Saudi Arabian multimillionaire—there is one of those in Afghanistan whom they are looking for right now—and the FIS is the party to which Zaoui belongs. He is a person about whom ArabicNews.com says: “Ahmed Zaoui a leader of the Armed Islamic Group (GIA) which is largely blamed for massacres of civilians in Algeria has slipped into Switzerland and requested asylum.” 
Keith Locke 
: Who’s saying that? 
DAIL JONES 
: It says “ArabicNews.com”. He is a well-known terrorist an absolutely well-known terrorist and he was thrown out of Switzerland because of the massacre of Swiss citizens in North Africa and of course we know how that was funded. Now if Zaoui was a good bloke he could have gone back to Algeria because the leaders of the FIS Mr Madani and Mr Belhadj have been released. They did not commit massacres but clearly Zaoui after he left Algeria was involved with massacres. 
I say to the Labour Party that it has to bring in legislation urgently to deal with this bloke because otherwise there is a serious possibility that the inspector-general’s certificate will be challenged and we have had a clear warning from the Court of Appeal of the problems that could ensue. Would any member here want to live next door to someone who might be taken out by some other person from another country? I certainly do not so that is our responsibility.