Uffindell SamSAM UFFINDELL (National—Tauranga): Thank you Madam Chair. It's just good to be here in the Chamber after the long weekend. I sort of touched on this a little bit last week but I wanted to explore it more broadly in relation to my own experience in the private sector which was in financial services which is a significantly sized industry with a number of workers in the New Zealand workforce. We're talking about applying minimum base wage rates here. How would you apply this across sales roles not just in financial services but you're also going to look at say any sales role in a sense? I'll take real estate agents for example. Some of them will be on straight commission; some of them will be on wages plus commission. There's quite a balancing act in that regard. How do you cater for this? Because what it looks like is that this is quite a blunt tool probably designed for an era that we are no longer in. The issues we have here with where the modern workforce is at is that it's a lot more specific to industries and workplaces around how they're designed. So I'd like to know Minister how you would address something like that in a sales environment where people have got a wage structure—wage plus commission—and others are just purely on commission? I've got friends who are in that boat because they opt to go straight for the commission option because that motivates them and that's the way they believe they can make the most money.With regards to 114(1)(d)(iii) it mentions overtime worked". Now I know in the professional services industry a lot of people will not have specifics around overtime; it will be expected that you will work until the job is done. That will also work in your favour sometimes; if you complete the task then you are able to leave early be what may but there is also an understanding that it's not say like factory work where you're producing—which is probably more what this could be designed from—something and you work an eight-hour shift. But in a lot of professional workplaces that won't be the case. As you would know Minister from your time in Parliament sometimes there's not such a demand and sometimes there's significantly more so you're expected to meet those needs as that comes through. Also how would you apply that across say the financial services sector where you've got numerous different roles within that? Some people will be stock brokers some people will be analysts and some people will do eight hours a day just on something fairly mundane like data entry. They are going to have significantly different hours and expectations. I know that you would've consulted quite vigorously on this so I'd be interested in the feedback sessions from professional services industry and what feedback they gave you around how this bill could impact them in relation to the base wage rates and around the overtime worked. I'd also note just going down a little bit to the "training and development" clause 114(1)(da) that I see a bit of an issue around how that could be applied because if you're doing it across an industry you are going to have some companies within that industry that are very large and have got all the extra resources like training and development staff. Some are just little mum and pop operations with a couple of staff so they're not going to necessarily have the resources that the bigger players would to be able conduct that training and development. With that are you going to set base training and development requirements across the whole industry and if you are what considerations have been given to the resources that some may have versus some that may not have access to that? Those are probably my major points on that so I will leave it with you Minister. Thank you Madam Chair."