Xu-Nan Lawrence; Meager JamesDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN (Green): Thank you Mr Speaker. Following on from what the Hon Dr Duncan Webb has mentioned I would like to speak too on this particular bill in the third reading. Now first of all I think when we were having the committee stage for this it was one of the more unconventional experiences I've had when it comes to committee stage and it was very interesting.James Meager: What? It was a great time.Dr LAWRENCE XU-NAN: It was a great time.Tamatha Paul: He didn't say it was bad.Dr LAWRENCE XU-NAN: I didn't say it was bad. But in terms of the broader context of this I think while we really appreciate what the Justice Committee has done here—as well as the way that the Minister at the committee stage answered the questions—there are a lot of concerns with this particular bill.So to provide a little bit of background/context when the Labour Government introduced FPOs—the firearms prohibition orders—FPOs in general are a good thing. This is something that the Green Party agrees with. However things that are in this bill are already prevalent and already exist within the current legislation particularly when it comes to a high-risk person and their access to firearms. But what we're seeing here by extending it and essentially only targeting gangs is nothing short of virtue signalling as we have seen from this Government.The Hon Dr Duncan Webb has before mentioned a crucial element of this bill which is around the introduction of clause 14 particularly when it comes to warrantless searches the new section 18AA under the Search and Surveillance Act. This is a really concerning bit because although rightfully there's been amendments and adjustments firstly when it comes to this A constable who has reasonable grounds to suspect believe"—and yes from the Attorney-General's perspective this does satisfy some of the requirements around the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act. However one of the things here is: who then judges in terms of what is considered reasonable grounds? We have seen in reports lately of the systemic bias that our police force have towards members of certain communities. That is in the report.So over here when we see something like this and when any constable is able to act within reasonable ground who is assessing that reasonable ground and what are some of the repercussions of that if that reasonable ground fails to meet the standard that is expected? Because over here the bottom line is that warrantless searches means that they can search any place at any stage listed in this particular section. And we talked about the fact that they can go into anyone's house anyone who has an FPO and then conduct a search. Yes we have heard from the Minister that if they are looking for anything else other than what is required and what is for the consideration of FPO that will be considered inadmissible. And that is something they have to tread very carefully. But it nevertheless does not fail to address the fact that they can go into these people's homes at any stage.That is the crux of the situation we're talking about here because when they do that when you have people—and we talked about scenarios—going into your house like many people here who talk about the harmfulness of gangs who talk about the harmfulness of gang members you would be horrified when the gang member comes to your house wouldn't you? And particularly when they have a firearm how do you feel? What do you think about for those gang members when they have a police officer charging into their house by right of law at any stage at any time any time of the day. That is serious. That is serious for them. That is serious for their family. It is serious for their children. Imagine the kind of trauma that that would create for children and you—sorry not you Mr Speaker—people and the Government in general ask why we say that some people in some parts of our communities are more fearful of police than they are of gang members. This is one of the reasons why because if you are a child of a gang member or a child of anyone who holds an FPO or a child—like the Hon Dr Duncan Webb mentioned before—of a family who may have invited someone over to stay who has an FPO the police could come and search you at any stage. That is serious—that is serious. On top of that there are other instances. It's not just gang members but there are other instances where this creates generational trauma. This creates trauma for those rangatahi and for those tamariki. Another good example of that is overstayers in the context of the Dawn Raids. That's another place where we have heard from those people that you had people who came in at 4 or 5 in the morning knocking down their doors searching for them—looking for overstayers. We're looking at trying to create that balance. We're looking at what it means for these people to experience that kind of trauma and looking at how we can minimise trauma. That's what we've said we're supposed to be doing while talking about keeping the public safe not what this bill is doing here. Lastly another thing that we have asked and which has not been addressed in this particular bill is that again if we were there to really provide for public safety why are we only targeting those who have been convicted on whom then will be placed an FPO? Why aren't we talking about the broader context of gun violence in Aotearoa New Zealand? Why are we not talking about the fact that there are people who are harming our communities who are committing massacres with no track record with no criminal record? They're not on any form of watch-list and they are harming and hurting our communities. That is important here when we are talking about gun safety. So the Green Party does not support this bill because of the fact that even though having FPOs is a good idea the way that this legislation is laid out isn't. The way that this targets specific parts of our community isn't. We have seen this sort of legislation being introduced in this House over the last little while and we have heard about the additional amendments and additional search powers it has introduced and I for one am concerned for those tamariki and for those rangatahi who are in that environment where they are being searched unjustifiably because of legislation that this Government introduces and is trying to pass. I'm concerned for those tamariki and rangatahi who feel like their Government has failed them and is creating even more distance and even more barriers for us to reach out to them. I am concerned for our migrant communities and for our Muslim whānau who still to this day are asking the Government to recognise and to listen to their fear and concern when it comes to terrorists and to terrorism activities from people who are not on any sort of watch-list. So the Green Party does not support this bill. Thank you."