Street Maryan: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume 
Street Maryan: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Sitting date: 14 July 2011. Volume:674;Page:20116. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
6. 
Hon MARYAN STREET (Labour) 
 to the  
Minister of Trade 
: What parts or functions of Pharmac does he consider to be tradable in the Trans-Pacific Partnership negotiations? 
Hon PETER DUNNE (Minister of Revenue) 
 on behalf of the Minister of Trade 
: 
 I note that in a recent speech the Minister of Trade said explicitly that we are not about to negotiate our public health system in any trade negotiation. The fundamentals of Pharmac are not up for negotiation in the Trans-Pacific Partnership. 
Hon Maryan Street 
: How does he intend to protect the interests of sick New Zealanders against the demands of pharmaceutical companies in the Trans-Pacific Partnership negotiations? 
Hon PETER DUNNE 
: The Government’s position is quite clear: the fundamentals are not up for negotiation. The Government accepts that the role of Pharmac has been a constructive one—I think there is bipartisan agreement about that—and we are not seeking any changes to the Pharmac model in these negotiations or in any other discussions. 
Hon Maryan Street 
: In light of that answer what risks are currently presented to Pharmac and its structures and functions by the Trans-Pacific Partnership negotiations? 
Hon PETER DUNNE 
: I am not in a position to give the member a categorical answer on that because I am answering on behalf of the Minister but the point is that the New Zealand Government’s position is that it is not about to enter into any diminution of the fundamentals of the Pharmac model— 
Hon Members 
: Take it off the table. 
Hon PETER DUNNE 
: —in any discussions that are taking place. If I can respond to the interjection there is a negotiating process under way. The negotiators actually carry out the negotiation; one does not put things on or off the table before the process even starts. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The Hon Maryan Street. [ 
Interruption 
] I want to hear the Hon Maryan Street. 
Hon Maryan Street 
: Does he consider the concessions that Australia made in the Australia - United States Free Trade Agreement to allow representatives of the pharmaceutical industry more say over domestic decisions and processes to be an acceptable trade-off in the case of Pharmac? 
Hon PETER DUNNE 
: What I said was that the Government’s position is that the fundamental aspects of the Pharmac model are not up for negotiation. I think that is the best answer to the member’s question. 
Hon Maryan Street 
: How can New Zealanders believe his statement on 3 July that “the public health system is not up for negotiation” if he is not prepared to take Pharmac off the negotiating table? 
Hon PETER DUNNE 
: As I said there is a negotiating process under way the Minister is an extremely experienced negotiator and he has been through this on many many occasions. The best way of doing these things is to actually let the negotiations take their course bearing in mind the Government’s fundamental position that Pharmac is not up for trade.