Watts Simon; Goldsmith PaulSIMON WATTS (National—North Shore): Thank you very much Madam Chair. You can sense the anticipation on this side both between myself and the Hon Paul Goldsmith to stand up and speak. But I want to refer to clause 32A of Part 3—there's a little segue—in regards to bargaining fees. It's interesting—I'm not referring to the recent movie release called Bargaining which is actually a Korean film an action film called Bargaining; it's about a kidnapping so a bit more dangerous than what we're talking about tonight Minister. But a little segue because one of the things we're trying to do is to try and make this relevant.The questions that I have in regards to clause 32A in particular—and I'll get into it Subparts 2 and 3—is getting the Minister's perspective in terms of how he sees this aspect will work in practice. My point more detailed around the border concept around the bargaining fees clause here is in regards to enterprise-level collective contracts which is obviously throughout this section but highlighted here in particular at Subpart 3 and really I'm keen to get an understanding in terms of the I guess key contrasts between how the bargaining fee arrangement will differ between occupational-level collective contract and enterprise-level collective contract. For those that aren't over the detail in regards to that element I think that would be quite helpful because I think there is some complexity. With the enterprise-level collectives I guess it goes back to the point that Simon O'Connor was referring to in terms of some of these you know big production companies or production companies working with employee collective groups—just how that will work and I guess an expectation also or some perspective from the Minister around the expectation around what those bargaining fees and the terms could look like. Thank you.Hon PAUL GOLDSMITH (National): Thank you Madam Chair. I want to dig into clause 37 which is around the initiating of bargaining. And I'm intrigued on this one when we're talking about an occupational-level collective contract. So this is kind of the fair pay agreements of the screen industry which is a significant move away from the practice of the country for the last 30 years which has been enterprise-level based. This legislation pre-empts the fair pay agreement legislation looking at occupational-level collective contracts and I'm mystified as to why the Minister thinks that's a great idea but he might be able to come up with some reasons why.But the issue is to initiate it he's saying that if the union is organised—you know a worker organisation is initiating this occupational-level collective contract it needs to go to the members and get a majority of its members supporting the initiation of these contracts which is quite different to the fair pay agreement where you only have to have a 10 percent of the sector as a whole or a thousand members or even better than that some sort of vague idea that it's a good thing or required. I can't remember the exact phrase. I'm pleased that he's at least expecting half the union members to sign up to the initiation. But I suppose my worry is what happens if you've got an occupation—I don't know what it might be. It might be I don't know if you divide it up between—what is it? What's the term used for people who are sort of just in the background of a film bit-part players or—Hon Members: Extras.Hon PAUL GOLDSMITH: Extras. Extras for example. Extras. And—Chris Bishop: A bit like the Labour backbench. They're sort of bit-part players; they have no role. They're all going to lose their seats.Hon PAUL GOLDSMITH: You shouldn't be unkind to Marja Lubeck like that—I'll defend it. So we're talking about extras—we're talking about extras. If there was an extras union and there might be over the course of the year I don't know a thousand extras there might be 5000 extras if there's a big film going on which included a lot of extras—a lot of orcs for example or something like that—and the union only had a hundred members out of the 5000 because it wasn't much chop you're saying that it might only be 50 people half of the hundred members of the union required to initiate collective agreement for the whole occupational level.So I just want to sort of clarify how all that works. If one is negotiated does that automatically apply to the other thousands who might have had nothing to do with it didn't want it didn't want to be involved in it in any way shape or form but were sort of effectively dragooned into the arrangements whatever they may be. And one of the arrangements might be that I don't know as an extra you need to have half hour breaks at this time or whatever; it might be all sorts of rules and regulations. So I'd be keen for the Minister just to clarify: (a) why the difference with the fair pay agreement? And what rules are there in place to ensure that actually if you're dealing with an occupation that there is a majority of people in the occupation that actually want to do this rather than just who might join up with one particular union? Then thirdly why does this apply to everybody? Is that sort of a form of compulsory union or something like that? If you could give some clarification on those issues I'd be grateful.