Smith NickHon Dr NICK SMITH (National—Nelson): I would also in the same conversation that I want to extend refer to this Government's establishment of the housing and urban development ministry and the subsequent reports that have shown the failure of the Government to deliver KiwiBuild was contributed to the fact that there was this massive reorganisation going on around those agencies that distracted them from the delivery of houses in which we have seen such an appalling failure where 100000 homes were promised and only 400 delivered reinforcing the fact that simply moving around Government agencies does not result in better public services.Now the question that I want to ask the Minister is a very important one in respect to public services and is as much in my role as the member of Parliament for Nelson. The most important public services delivered in my community are health and education and I think across this Parliament we would recognise that they are two of the most important practical areas for the citizens of New Zealand for which they are pleased to pay their taxes and they want to have good services. I have to say to the Minister of State Services that there is a huge level of anxiety in my community about the reorganisation of Public Service departments and agencies with the plan to nationalise the polytechs of New Zealand. My own Nelson Marlborough Institute of Technology that's been an independent agency for 115 years a controversy raging—CHAIRPERSON (Hon Ruth Dyson): Could I just interrupt the member. This is the second reference he's made in just two minutes to matters that are fundamentally outside the scope of not only this part but actually this bill. So if the member—Hon Dr NICK SMITH: Point of order Madam Chair.CHAIRPERSON (Hon Ruth Dyson): —please wait till I've finished my sentence—would like to resume his speech and address issues in Part 2 he'll be able to continue.Hon Dr NICK SMITH: The item that we are debating is Part 2. It's about the reorganisation of departments and departmental agencies. Now quite clearly two of the largest parts of the public sector are the education and health services. The Minister in the chair Chris Hipkins is currently dealing with two major reforms one of polytechnics and proposals to merge or reduce the number of DHBs in New Zealand from 20 to eight. They are absolutely relevant to the provisions in Part 2—CHAIRPERSON (Hon Ruth Dyson): Sorry Dr Smith. That's a direct challenge—could you please resume your seat. That's a direct challenge to the contribution that I just made. You have directly defied the request that I made that you now refer your comments to Part 2. Neither the DHB proposals nor the tertiary education proposals are covered in Part 2. If the member goes back to them his speech will be terminated. The Hon Dr Nick Smith.Hon Dr NICK SMITH: Part 2 of this bill deals with the establishment and the reorganisations of departments and departmental agencies. Now there is inevitably with these provisions—it allows Ministers to have very extensive powers around reorganising Government agencies. Now the question I have for the Minister is: would it be his intention to use these powers to implement aspects of the Simpson review into our district health boards the creation—CHAIRPERSON (Hon Ruth Dyson): Third time unlucky—the member will resume his seat.