Woods MeganHon Dr MEGAN WOODS (Labour—Wigram): Thank you Madam Chair. So I'll just list a number of things that I'd like some advice on. The other thing that I would like to know from the Minister—and I think that there have been some questions but I don't think it's been addressed—is the options that the Minister considered and whether he did consider options. I understand that this was part of the manifesto commitment from his party but I'd like to know whether when he became a Minister other options were considered to achieve the outcome around obviously wanting to remove the burden in terms of fiscal neutrality. I think there's been some really sensible questions put in this committee of the whole House stage—sensible questions that we would otherwise have had at a select committee that we would have been able to ask officials about—about what alternative options there could have been and whether any of these were explored.The other issue that I think is of vital importance to everybody is what advice the Minister has received. He's told us and members from the Government benches have told us through the course of this debate that this is not required because we have an emissions trading scheme (ETS). So what I'd like to know is what advice the Minister has received on what price the ETS needs to be at to cause the behavioural change for people to switch to electric vehicles because every piece of research we see both here in New Zealand and internationally is that we need to have incredibly high carbon prices to get people to switch. So if the Minister is seeing the ETS as an alternative to repealing the scheme in this legislation that we have before us and that is what is happening in Part 1 of this bill—if the Minister as stated sees the ETS as an alternative what is the price that he's had advice on that would be required? I've seen suggestions from academics in New Zealand that we'd need carbon pricing of $235 a tonne which obviously would have a huge impact on the price of petrol. I think that it's around $60 for an average fill-up and I'll check that figure. But given where we are in terms of our ETS pricing if the Minister is saying that we need a price of around $235 which is what experts are saying—but I'd be interested if he's had any counter advice to that—what plans does the Government have to get us to that ETS price because that is not going to naturally occur. So is this work that sits alongside this legislative change to rapidly hike the ETS price in this country—because I think that's something that all New Zealanders when it comes to filling up their cars for those that are still using combustion engines will be very interested in and all New Zealanders paying their power bills would also be very interested in that because of course that would have a flow-on effect as it would across the economy. So I'd like to see that advice and actually probably if possible for it to be tabled. This is a really serious consideration we're going through and I would also like to ask the Minister whether it was in the regulatory impact statement (RIS) that is sitting in his office—which he has received from his agency and that he is on record as saying he has received from his agency—and I'm asking the Minister a specific question: will he release the RIS to the House so we can all have access to this modelling and this advice because otherwise there's going to be a lot of questions through this committee stage around what was the advice and what that advice said because we know that the Minister has the advice.