Logie Jan; Sepuloni CarmelJAN LOGIE (Green): Thank you Madam Chair. I've got a few questions and thank the Minister for this opportunity to try and get my head around some of the detail in the bill. So one of the first questions is about the timing of this bill and going through urgency. I've read through the papers and I've seen the modelling that was in the regulatory impact statement that was talking about how we either do it now and then there's the risks of actually delaying implementation if the Government decides to go ahead because the preparatory work wouldn't have been done and it would have to wait until the introduction of the final legislation which would be in July. That would really slow things down.But I didn't see any analysis in there of the idea of introducing legislation at the point of the Government making a decision. The only thing I could find around was a line in the regulatory impact statement that was saying If enabling legislation is not passed now advice on operational and budgetary implications will be more limited in scope".I was just interested and wanting the Minister to explain or add a bit more substance to that because mostly the other papers talk about the stage after the Government having signed this off to keep going and the work around modelling and the need for private information in that modelling to be able to get it to work. So I'm interested in actually what's required between now and the Government making a decision in detail that requires this to happen under urgency now.Hon CARMEL SEPULONI (Minister for ACC): Thank you to the member. It's important because what we're asking ACC to do actually falls out of the remit of ACC with regards to legislation. Money in the Budget has been set aside so that they can do the development work that we need them to do and the scoping that we need them to do with regards to what a scheme may look like and what would be required to actually operate the scheme. We need them to get that under way because if we make the decision to do it then—otherwise we will be playing catch up. So anyway the legislation has to be put in place.Also we have to have the legislation in place otherwise they can't spend any of the money that's been set aside to support them to do it—money that is actually in this Budget. So I do want to clarify; I know the member who just asked the question knows this but I do want to clarify that this bill is just enabling that. It's actually not talking about the detail of what the scheme will look like or legislating for the scheme. I think most members in the Chamber understand that. So the scope of this bill is very narrow and it is for the purpose of us doing the preparatory work that we need to actually develop this further and then we see what happens.JAN LOGIE (Green): I think I've almost got my head around it but I've got more questions to try and make sure I have. My understanding is that normally in the area of policy related to ACC it's the Ministry of Business Innovation and Employment (MBIE) that does that work in consultation with ACC officials. So in terms of the Government being in a position to make a decision I would have thought that that was more policy and so I'm just trying to get my head around actually that point. Hopefully that made sense.Hon CARMEL SEPULONI (Minister for ACC): I thank the member—I understand what you're saying. You're right—with regards to ACC the Ministry of Business Innovation and Employment does develop the policy but ACC needs to do work on what the operationalisation of this scheme would look like what the IT requirements would be and so it's actually work around the practical kind of implementation side of running this type of scheme. If I haven't been clear on that then this is a good opportunity to be able to clear this up."