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Watts SimonSIMON WATTS (National—North Shore): Well thank you very much Madam Chair. Just leading off on the contribution from my colleague Mr Andrew Bayly in regards to confidentiality and I'm going to give a different part of the Part 4 but I'll give an opportunity for the Minister of Finance who I acknowledge in the chair to come back on some responses.So my questions are around Subpart 8 of Part 4 around access to information by overseas supervisor". For those of you sitting at home watching this going "Ask him some questions."—or those that are potentially going—this is an interesting aspect of the legislation because in effect it provides the ability to have confidential information provided to an entity which is based outside of New Zealand. There's a number of questions and considerations—and rightly so—and potentially some concerns in regards to the Act.So my questions to the Minister really relate to providing a degree of comfort and assurance around this process and that due consideration and thought has been given around the protection. So my questions particularly relate to clause 141 and I'm interested from the Minister in terms of how does he foresee that the Reserve Bank will be able to achieve or obtain sufficient provision or assurance that the data that's potentially shared or acquired and shared with the overseas supervisor—that the confidentiality of this information is protected? What are the grounds in which potentially the bank may consider or would not authorise that provision of information—I guess take into account whether it's going to be a framework or what consideration around where that threshold lies because I think there's obviously going to be an element of subjectivity involved in that.The other question in regards to data: we've had a number of examples of data breaches over the years—Andrew Bayly: Many.SIMON WATTS: —many as Andrew Bayly has noted—and the challenge becomes even I think it would be fair to say more complex when the data is being shared in overseas jurisdictions which don't necessarily share—in many cases do not share—the same rules-based system that we benefit from in New Zealand. So there's a conversation around the assurance of the storage of that data and the confidentiality. But actually the other aspect is if you fast forward five or 10 years in regards to that data ensuring the longevity of the protection of that data and the confidentiality of that data because while in a different example we saw the firearms registry and data was left in the cabinets in the police station in Auckland and some 20 years later it got lost. Conceptually applying that same methodology to this consideration how is the bank going to be able to get assurance around the long-term aspect around that?So what are the grounds how will the bank get assurance and particularly has the bank considered or is it considering around the ongoing nature of ensuring the protection of confidential information? I'll leave it at that and then we'll come on to another couple of clauses soon."
Bayly AndrewANDREW BAYLY (National—Port Waikato): Thank you Madam Chair. I don't know why Shanan Halbert is so keen to close this debate down. He was doing it the other night when we were debating this same issue. He didn't make one contribution other than trying to close down the debate. So I hope tonight he's actually going to stand up and talk about it because from my understanding he does sit on the Finance and Expenditure Committee; he should know about this bill. He should be contributing because it's a very important part of the banking regulation of New Zealand. But obviously he's not going to. Thank you for seeing the Minister in the chair. I just want to talk about the issue of confidentiality. If the Reserve Bank appoints someone to undertake an investigation they may under clause 130(3) make a confidentiality order which states that The Bank may make the order on the terms and conditions (if any) that it thinks fit." So it's a very one-eyed one-sided power granted in favour of the Reserve Bank in terms of confidentiality. Now there's obviously in clause 131 some issues—consent must not be unreasonably withheld and some other mitigating factors. But just turning to clause 145—there are times when the person or the entity being investigated may believe that the investigation is unwarranted. I'm referring to clause 145A(2)(a): "the applicant has established a prima facie case that the exercise of the power in question is unlawful". So obviously to get to that point you would have had to have gone through a process where the bank has talked about investigating and undertaken an investigation and it's only subsequently you find out that prima facie there isn't a case for it. So can the Minister give some clarification and comfort that the Reserve Bank won't unduly use its powers. Because if someone was investigating a non-bank deposit taker or whatever—an entity—and the entity concerned thought there weren't proper grounds for it it is highly unlikely that the Reserve Bank is actually going to grant them powers to rebut the confidentiality order that a bank may impose. So how do we have comfort that the Reserve Bank is going to pursue cases where it thinks it's fine and appropriate but not actually allow the entity concerned the opportunity to talk about it even if it is contrary to the Reserve Bank's view or interest? Because I don't think it's necessarily precluded under clause 131."
O'Connor Greg; Salesa Jenny; Halbert ShananDEPUTY SPEAKER: I declare the House in committee for consideration of the Deposit Takers Bill and the Fuel Industry Amendment Bill.HOUSE IN COMMITTEECHAIRPERSON (Hon Jenny Salesa): Members the House is in committee on the Deposit Takers Bill and the Fuel Industry Amendment Bill.DEPOSIT TAKERS BILLIn CommitteeDebate resumed from 21 June.Part 4 Supervision of deposit takers (continued)CHAIRPERSON (Hon Jenny Salesa): We come first to further consideration of the Deposit Takers Bill. When we were last debating this bill we were debating Part 4. This is the debate on clauses 98 to 146 Supervision of deposit takers". The question is that Part 4 stand part.SHANAN HALBERT (Junior Whip—Labour): I seek leave for the remaining provisions to be taken as one question.CHAIRPERSON (Hon Jenny Salesa): Members leave is sought for that purpose. Is there any objection? There is objection."
Pallett SarahSARAH PALLETT (Labour—Ilam): Thank you Mr Speaker for allowing me to speak on the Corrections Amendment Bill at its first reading.I like many people I imagine had no experience with the inside of a prison until actually assuming this role and having the opportunity to visit the prisons on the outskirts of Christchurch. Like many many people speaking before I was really impressed by the dedication and hard-working nature of the people who work in corrections and their commitment to rehabilitation. I really just wanted to agree with Mr Uffindell that the people who are in prison—who are being held to account for their criminal behaviour—should leave in a better state than when they went in.I think what we're trying to do here is do a few simple things that will make life safer and more productive for our wonderful corrections officers and staff. But we're also trying to weigh up the importance of the presumption of innocence for our remand accused prisoners with their need to participate in therapeutic programmes and other educational programmes so that they can integrate more successfully back into society. Because as we've heard they currently do have a limited access to programmes and services that will be of enormous benefit not only to them as well as obviously to the sentenced prisoners who they will be able to work together with—under very limited circumstances as I said so that we can protect that presumption of innocence.Being committed to seeing people leave prison or leave remand in a better state than they went in is the goal here. As a result I commend this bill to the House.
Bennett GlenGLEN BENNETT (Labour—New Plymouth): I was just doing the numbers and reflecting and it's been at least 40 years since my first prison experience. My mother was a prison chaplain in Mt Eden women's prison—don't panic nothing to hide here. Going into Mt Eden women's prison in the early 1980s—a very different time back then in terms of accessibility to prisons for children. But then through my years all the way from Auckland down to Otago I have had experiences in a number of our corrections facilities supporting sadly mostly young people who I was working and walking alongside. So I've seen firsthand I've seen up close and personal the inside of how prisons operate and the impacts they have on prisoners and those who are on remand.I do want to acknowledge victims of crime and understand that prisons are a necessary part of our society but from what I've seen and experienced working alongside people who are going through corrections and the prison process we need to do everything we can. We need to do everything we can to ensure rehabilitation; to ensure that they have access to alcohol and drugs treatments; to ensure that they have access to whakapapa to kaupapa Māori services; that they have access to their religious beliefs and what they follow; that they have access to therapeutic therapies to support them. And so in this legislation when it comes around the potential moments of mixing remand and sentenced prisoners if it's around outcomes for the offenders if it's around bringing about healing if it's around them re-entering society as better contributing members then we need to do it. I commend this bill.
Roberts AngelaANGELA ROBERTS (Labour): Thank you. It is a pleasure to rise and take a call on the Corrections Amendment Bill. It's wonderful to hear across the House the unequivocal support for the workers in the middle of this and the professional perspective that unions and workers bring to resolving such complex issues as those that we have in our prisons. This bill addresses quite a few different aspects of the challenges within our prison system. So it's great to hear the support from the other side. I expect we will hear more support as we go on appreciating that the worker the professional perspective is critical when we're trying to resolve such complex issues. We've heard a lot about the intent of this bill being about improving access to what we need with regard to rehabilitation. We've heard about the overrepresentation in our prison system both our men and our women—neurodiversity substance use disorders and challenges around literacy and numeracy and access to skills and qualifications as well as of course mental health challenges. The idea of improving access to these—we've heard about the practicalities in a very small and geographically dispersed prison population about being able to provide in a practical sense the access to courses that prisoners need and those on remand could benefit from. The idea of improving prisoners' access to literacy and numeracy enables their access and their ability to better engage with rehabilitation programmes and eventually gives them the confidence to seek and hold down meaningful work when eventually they come out back into society. I commend this bill to the House.
Leary Ingrid; Salesa JennyINGRID LEARY (Labour—Taieri): It's really disappointing to hear that the Greens are not going to support this at first reading because a number of the issues that the previous member Marama Davidson raised in my view could have been discussed and debated at the select committee stage. Certainly around the mixing of children and adults the preamble the explanatory note to the bill clearly states that it is where it is in the best interests of the child. That is unequivocal and what the member has done is essentially rule out that there could ever be a situation where that could be in their best interests.The other element is around prisoners on remand mixing with convicted prisoners. Again an assumption that this could never be in the interests of those who are presumed innocent—i.e. those on remand—when in fact we know that resourcing is such that sometimes these really important rehabilitative programmes cannot be delivered either because there are not enough numbers or because it is cost prohibitive to do two courses.So this is a practical way of the law following what is needed on the ground. And it's really disturbing to hear the Opposition actually say that they care about rehabilitation when all the announcements I've heard from them recently have been about locking up more prisoners through their attempt to try and return the three strikes law.Finally it is abhorrent to hear people suggest that the Hon Kelvin Davis is missing in action. He has been a completely committed and dedicated Minister who has worked tirelessly particularly around the kaupapa of keeping Māori out of prison. We know that 53 percent of male prisoners are Māori 67 percent women when in fact in the general population it's only 15 percent. That is why that Minister works so tirelessly and that's why we are seeing the impacts that we are seeing in reducing prison rates and in seeing measures like this fantastic rehabilitation bill come before the House. I commend it.ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Jenny Salesa): The next call is a split call. I call the Hon David Bennett—five minutes.
Williams Arena; Williams PotoARENA WILLIAMS (Labour—Manurewa): Madam Speaker thank you for the opportunity to speak on this important bill the Corrections Amendment Bill which will make the changes which are needed and are important to make our justice system function as it should. Reducing reoffending is some of the most important work that any public servant can do. Taking somebody who has been judged for the worst thing that they have ever done in their lives isolated from their family and friends and rebuilding them so that they are capable of re-entering a community that can then support them is a very difficult thing to do. This is what this bill will enable corrections officers to do. It is incredibly difficult work and we should thank them for their role in that process which doesn't only start with them; it starts with the whole community around them. I say this because on that side of the House we have heard over and over again that this is caused by not having enough corrections officers while at the same time Opposition members have given speeches about how corrections officials are boffins that they sit in their offices and come up with ideas that we don't need. Our corrections officials are doing the work that our justice system needs to right wrongs of hundreds of years that have underserved our communities. I thank those men and women who go to work every day in our corrections system in South Auckland and Manurewa to make people's lives better and to improve the work that their community are doing for these people who have suffered.This bill will make those changes that we need. This bill is something that I look forward to having those conversations that we need to have within committee.ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Poto Williams): Before I call the next member could I just ask the members on this side if you're going to have conversations with each other could you sit next to each other or possibly just keep the volume down.
Walters VanushiVANUSHI WALTERS (Labour—Upper Harbour): Thank you Madam Speaker. Well on this side of the House we're a Government who are focused on addressing offending from all sides. That is prevention that is also punishment and it is rehabilitation. So it has been good to hear the National Party recognise that rehabilitation is part of the solution although I am still a little confused about whether the National Party is supporting this move or not. This is something that's very important in terms of addressing the crime and offending that's out there. In terms of rehabilitation on this side of the House we have invested in circuit-breaker programmes for young people which has seen young people who are offending go through programmes that show that 72 percent of them then don't reoffend. Rehabilitation works and we need to make sure it's also there for those who are in prison as well as those who are on remand. Just addressing some of Mark Mitchell's points that he raised he spoke about a reduction in the provision of these services within the Department of Corrections. Initially that was due to COVID but as we heard when we spoke to the Minister in the appropriations hearing it's also because of a change in the nature of the programmes being delivered. You cannot—you cannot—cure an addiction issue with an eight-hour course which has been the case in the past. We are changing the way in which we deliver these programmes so that they work. Why therapeutic only? Well that goes in part to the final point that Mr Mitchell made. There is mixing of some remand and prisoners but for a limited purpose and therapeutic courses is a logical place to draw that line. There are also practical reasons why some offenders on remand will not want to engage in more detailed programmes because they may feel an indication of guilt. There is a rational reasonable line for drawing the line at therapeutic aims and I think we'll see great results from this programme. As the chair of the Justice Committee I'm looking forward to receiving submissions on this bill and I commend it to the House.
Uffindell SamSAM UFFINDELL (National—Tauranga): Thank you Madam Speaker. I'd like to rise to acknowledge the previous speaker the Hon Eugenie Sage—I completely agree with almost everything that she said there—and also to support Simon Watts' amendment to extend the committee process until November this year.They have been working on this bill for three or four years and there was significant public input—I think we had over 60000 submissions—and then to come along and truncate it when you're doing the amendments to one month when the usual select committee process would be for a recommended six months I think is denying people an opportunity to input on something of which there is considerable considerable public interest.As I mentioned before 60000 submissions at the first stage—there is clearly a lot of interest in this. You go around New Zealand you will see many Stop Three Waters" signs. There is clearly a lot of public interest. There will be a lot of people wanting to have a say on that. If we want to uphold the democratic process and allow people to have faith in how this House operates—how everything works here—then we need to allow proper submissions and ramming this through before the election is not a fair way to go about it.We really need to move this out and I just want to acknowledge the previous speaker again. I support Simon Watts' amendment to extend it to November."
Sage EugenieWATER SERVICES ENTITIES AMENDMENT BILLInstruction to Governance and Administration CommitteeDebate resumed from 22 June.Hon EUGENIE SAGE (Green): The Green Party will be supporting the amendment that's being put forward by the National Party to extend the consideration of this bill until November. This is quite a significant bill. It does make changes that we support in terms of increasing the number of entities to 10 but the proposed consideration by a select committee reporting back by the end of July is too short. The bill includes a number of detailed provisions affecting local authorities in terms of the transition to the water services entities and the fact that the establishment date for the entities has been pushed out by two years. So there are a number of provisions about how local authorities deal with that. We think these detailed changes do need to go out for public submissions for an adequate time to have adequate time for the Governance and Administration Committee to properly scrutinise the bill and to consider it alongside the other legislation that has gone through. It puts too much power in the executive and Government departments when legislation comes to this House and has a very truncated select committee process so it does not get properly scrutinised. It means everyone is working under pressure. That potentially leads to mistakes and it means that the select committee process becomes much more of a rubber stamp. Changes as significant as the three waters changes deserve better than that. They deserve a proper select committee process with adequate time for submissions select committee scrutiny and any changes to the bill.
Robertson GrantIMPREST SUPPLY (FIRST FOR 2023/24) BILLThird ReadingHon GRANT ROBERTSON (Minister of Finance): I move That the Imprest Supply (First for 2023/24) Bill be now read a third time.
Robertson GrantAPPROPRIATION (2022/23 SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATES) BILLThird ReadingHon GRANT ROBERTSON (Minister of Finance): I move That the Appropriation (2022/23 Supplementary Estimates) Bill be now read a third time.
Williams Poto; Robertson GrantClause 6 Appropriations for 2022/23 financial yearCHAIRPERSON (Hon Poto Williams): Members we now come to clause 6 including the debate on the amendments proposed to Schedule 1. The question is that clause 6 stand part.Andrew Bayly: Well that's a very timely—CHAIRPERSON (Hon Poto Williams): Are you seeking the call?ANDREW BAYLY (National—Port Waikato): Yeah—Madam Chair. Very timely considering our last conversation. So the $500 million that's been set aside for North Island Severe Weather Events—Crown Payments to Local Authorities and Other Eligible Stakeholders"—because when I went through the documents I could find $500 million in the Budget documents. So what I'm trying to understand is: is this an additional amount or is this that amount?Hon GRANT ROBERTSON (Minister of Finance): Mr Bayly will need to tell me where in the documents he found $500 million. I'm not at all surprised in the greater Estimates that he found that number because it's a number and there are a lot of numbers in here. But the point that we're making is this Supplementary Order Paper means that we amend Vote Finance in the Supplementary Estimates. It is $500 million that was not in the Supplementary Estimates until today. And the reason for that is the reason I gave earlier in my opening remarks that the decision about this came after we closed off the Estimates just as has had to be done in the past with other matters like the Canterbury earthquakes and so on. So it is simply updating Vote Finance for that number.ANDREW BAYLY (National—Port Waikato): So does this cover the Auckland wider area the Coromandel Northland and Gisborne? So it covers all those events?Hon GRANT ROBERTSON (Minister of Finance): Yes.ANDREW BAYLY (National—Port Waikato): Right and does the Minister expect that this will be the final amount that will be allocated to these types of arrangements or is this again just for the next couple of months or so?Hon GRANT ROBERTSON (Minister of Finance): It's the best estimate that we can do for appropriations as was stated a number of times in the earlier debate. Appropriations are not targets; they're limits. There is a lot of work to do on both category 3 and category 2 properties and so this is the amount that is the Estimate for the purposes of the appropriation but obviously more work is required.Clause 6 agreed to.Clause 7 agreed to.Clause 8 agreed to.Schedule 1CHAIRPERSON (Hon Poto Williams): The question is that the Minister's amendments to Schedule 1 set out on Supplementary Order Paper 366 be agreed to. Amendments agreed to.Schedule 1 as amended agreed to.Schedule 2 agreed to.Schedule 3 agreed to.House resumed.CHAIRPERSON (Hon Poto Williams): Mr Speaker the committee has considered the Appropriation (2022/23 Supplementary Estimates) Bill with amendment. I move That the report be adopted.Motion agreed to.Report adopted."
Appropriation (2022/23 Supplementary Estimates) Bill — In Committee—Clauses 6 to 8 and Schedules
Appropriation (2022/23 Supplementary Estimates) Bill — In Committee—Clause 5
Smith Damien; Robertson GrantDAMIEN SMITH (ACT): Thank you Madam Chair. It's just a question to the Minister on the Supplementary Order Paper which the ACT Party supports. I do seem to recall however that the Prime Minister at one stage mentioned that this money was already there. The question I have is: was the money there or is this new money?Hon GRANT ROBERTSON (Minister of Finance): I thank the member for his question. The creation of an appropriation doesn't mean that the money itself doesn't exist somewhere in the system. I have indicated in comments that I have made that it is most likely that this funding would come from the National Resilience Plan funding that was in the Budget. What we didn't have was a specific appropriation for this purpose and so it's to create the funding authority rather than to provide for the actual dollar amount.DAMIEN SMITH (ACT): That interpretation is what I understood but Mr Twyford today mentioned another strategy in terms of climate adaption programme moneys. Have I got that correct?Hon GRANT ROBERTSON (Minister of Finance): I'm sorry Mr Smith I wasn't here to hear what Mr Twyford had to say but what I've said is what we're doing.
Williams Poto; Robertson GrantClause 5 InterpretationCHAIRPERSON (Hon Poto Williams): Members we now come to the debate on the amendments proposed in clause 5. The question is that clause 5 stand part. Hon GRANT ROBERTSON (Minister of Finance): Madam Chair thank you very much and I won't take too much time over this. I did mention in the second reading stage that we did have a Supplementary Order Paper (SOP)—that SOP 366 in my name. It creates a new appropriation to ensure that any potential expenditure in the 2022-23 year associated with the management of properties and land impacted by the North Island weather events is authorised by Parliament. Colleagues will recall that on 1 June the Government announced that we would enter into funding arrangements with local councils in cyclone- and flood-affected regions to support them to offer a voluntary buy-out for owners of category 3 - designated residential properties as well as potential co-funding work to protect category 2 - designated properties. Payments are not actually expected to occur until the 2023-24 year but our accounting rules mean that the Government must recognise this expense in this financial year because it links to the announcement that was made on 1 June. That effectively creates an obligation and therefore we need to deal with it in these Supplementary Estimates even though the actual expenditure is not going to occur in the next week and will occur in the 2023-24 year. Amendments to Supplementary Estimates aren't common but they also aren't unheard of. Similar amendments have been necessary a number of times in the past decade particularly for funding following adverse events. These include the Christchurch earthquakes in both 2011 and 2012 and in response to COVID-19 in 2020. The approach being taken here was informed by the 2011 red zone buy-outs. On 26 June 2011 the Government announced its voluntary buy-out scheme for red zone properties. Much of those costs were ultimately incurred as unappropriated expenditure because no parliamentary authority had been sought through the 2011 Supplementary Estimates. We're trying to avoid that situation here and so the SOP seeks to make sure that the appropriation exists albeit that it will not be drawn on I believe in this financial year.
Appropriation (2022/23 Supplementary Estimates) Bill — In Committee—Clauses 1 to 4
Williams PotoAPPROPRIATION (2022/23 SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATES) BILLIn CommitteeClauses 1 to 4CHAIRPERSON (Hon Poto Williams): The House is in committee on the Appropriation (2022/23 Supplementary Estimates) Bill. Members in the committee stage of an Appropriation (Supplementary Estimates) Bill only the Minister's amendments and any amendments to them are considered. There is therefore no debate on any provisions where there are no amendments proposed which means in this case there will only be a debate on clause 5 and a debate on clause 6 which will include the amendments to Schedule 1.Clause 1 agreed to.Clause 2 agreed to.Clause 3 agreed to.Clause 4 agreed to.
Rurawhe Adrian; Robertson GrantIMPREST SUPPLY (FIRST FOR 2023/24) BILL IntroductionSPEAKER: I understand it is the Government's intention to introduce an imprest supply bill.CLERK: Imprest Supply (First for 2023/24) Bill introduction.SPEAKER: The bill is set down for first reading immediately.First ReadingHon GRANT ROBERTSON (Minister of Finance): I move That the Imprest Supply (First for 2023/24) Bill be now read a first time.
Rurawhe AdrianSUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATES DOCUMENTSSPEAKER: Members I present the Addition to the Supplementary Estimates of Appropriations for the Government of New Zealand for the Year Ending 30 June 2023. That paper is published under the authority of the House.
Robertson Grant; Rurawhe AdrianBUSINESS OF THE HOUSEHon GRANT ROBERTSON (Leader of the House): I seek leave to appoint the Hon Poto Williams as an Assistant Speaker until the end of Thursday 29 June 2023 despite Standing Order 29.SPEAKER: Is there any objection for that course of action being taken? There is none.
Rurawhe AdrianPETITIONS PAPERS SELECT COMMITTEE REPORTS AND INTRODUCTION OF BILLSSPEAKER: A petition has been delivered to the Clerk for presentation.CLERK: Petition of Hauraki Gulf Alliance requesting that the House ban all forms of mobile bottom-contact fishing in the Hauraki Gulf Marine Park.SPEAKER: That petition stands referred to the Petitions Committee. Ministers have delivered papers.CLERK:2023-27 statement of intent for the Takeovers Panel2023-24 statements of performance expectations for the Financial Markets Authority Southern Response Earthquake Services Ltd and the Takeovers Panel.SPEAKER: I present the report of the Controller and Auditor-General entitled Meeting the needs of people affected by family violence and sexual violence. Those papers are published under the authority of the House. Select committee reports have been delivered for presentation.CLERK: Reports of the Environment Committee on:the Natural and Built Environment Bill andthe Spatial Planning Billreport of the Foreign Affairs Defence and Trade Committee on the Inspector-General of Defence Billreport of the Intelligence and Security Committee on the 2023/24 Estimates for Vote Communications Security and Intelligence and Vote Security Intelligencereport of the Justice Committee on the Department of Corrections Ministry of Justice Oranga Tamariki Crown Law Office Serious Fraud Office Long-term Insights Briefing 2023reports of the Petitions Committee on:the petition of Jake Roosthe petition of Natalia Fernandes andthe petition of Robyn Parnellreport of the social services committee on the 2021/22 Annual review of Drug Free Sport New Zealand andreport of the Transport and Infrastructure Committee on the report of the Controller and Auditor-General Governance of the City Rail Link project.SPEAKER: The bills are set down for second reading. The reports on the report of the Controller and Auditor-General and the report on the long-term insights briefing are set down for consideration. No bills have been introduced.
Salesa JennyTUESDAY 27 JUNE 2023The Speaker took the Chair at 2 p.m.KARAKIA/PRAYERSHon JENNY SALESA (Assistant Speaker): E te Atua kaha rawa ka tuku whakamoemiti atu mātou mō ngā karakia kua waihotia mai ki runga i a mātou. Ka waiho i ō mātou pānga whaiaro katoa ki te taha. Ka mihi mātou ki te Kīngi me te inoi atu mō te ārahitanga i roto i ō mātou whakaaroarohanga kia mōhio ai kia whakaiti ai tā mātou whakahaere i ngā take o te Whare nei mō te oranga te maungārongo me te aroha o Aotearoa. Amene. [Almighty God we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all personal interests we acknowledge the King and pray for guidance in our deliberations that we may conduct the affairs of this House with wisdom and humility for the welfare peace and compassion of New Zealand. Amen.]
Tuesday 18 July 2023 (continued on Wednesday 19 July 2023) - Volume 769
Inspector-General of Defence Bill — Third Reading
VoteA party vote was called for on the question That the Inspector-General of Defence Bill be now read a third time.Ayes 85New Zealand Labour 62; ACT New Zealand 10; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 9; Te Paati Māori 2; Kerekere; Whaitiri.Noes 33New Zealand National 33.Motion agreed to.Bill read a third time.
VoteCHAIRPERSON (Greg O'Connor): The question is that the Minister's amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 370 be agreed to.A party vote was called for on the question That the amendments be agreed to.Ayes 72New Zealand Labour 62; ACT New Zealand 10.Noes 43New Zealand National 33; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 9; Kerekere.Amendments agreed to.CHAIRPERSON (Greg O'Connor): The question is that Parts 1 to 6 Schedules 1 to 3 and clauses 1 and 2 stand part.A party vote was called for on the question That Parts 1 to 6 Schedules 1 to 3 and clauses 1 and 2 be agreed to.Ayes 85New Zealand Labour 62; ACT New Zealand 10; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 9; Te Paati Māori 2; Kerekere; Whaitiri. Noes 33New Zealand National 33.Parts 1 to 6 Schedules 1 to 3 and clauses 1 and 2 agreed to.Bill to be reported with amendmentHouse resumed.CHAIRPERSON (Greg O'Connor): Madam Speaker the committee has considered the Inspector-General of Defence Bill and reports it with amendment. I move That the report be adopted.Motion agreed to.Report adopted.ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Jenny Salesa): This bill is set down for third reading immediately.
Inspector-General of Defence Bill — In Committee
VoteDEPUTY SPEAKER: The question is That amendments recommended by the Foreign Affairs Defence and Trade Committee by majority be agreed to.A party vote was called for on the question That the amendments be agreed to.Ayes 85New Zealand Labour 62; ACT New Zealand 10; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 9; Te Paati Māori 2; Kerekere; Whaitiri.Noes 33New Zealand National 33.Amendments agreed to.A party vote was called for on the question That the Inspector-General of Defence Bill be now read a second time.Ayes 85New Zealand Labour 62; ACT New Zealand 10; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 9; Te Paati Māori 2; Kerekere; Whaitiri.Noes 33New Zealand National 33.Motion agreed to.Bill read a second time.DEPUTY SPEAKER: This bill is set down for committee stage immediately. I declare the House in committee for consideration of the Inspector-General of Defence Bill.
Inspector-General of Defence Bill — Second Reading
Business Payment Practices Bill — Third Reading (continued)
VoteA party vote was called for on the question That the Business Payment Practices Bill be now read a third time.Ayes 75New Zealand Labour 62; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 9; Te Paati Māori 2; Kerekere; Whaitiri.Noes 43New Zealand National 33; ACT New Zealand 10.Motion agreed to.Bill read a third time.The result corrected after originally being announced as Ayes 74 Noes 43.
VoteA party vote was called for on the question That clause 1 be agreed to.Ayes 75New Zealand Labour 62; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 9; Te Paati Māori 2; Kerekere; Whaitiri.Noes 43New Zealand National 33; ACT New Zealand 10.Clause 1 agreed to.CHAIRPERSON (Hon Jenny Salesa): The question is that the Minister's amendments to clause 2 set out on Supplementary Order Paper 363 be agreed to.A party vote was called for on the question That the amendments be agreed to.Ayes 72New Zealand Labour 62; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 9; Kerekere.Noes 43New Zealand National 33; ACT New Zealand 10.Amendments agreed to.A party vote was called for on the question That clause 2 as amended be agreed to.Ayes 75New Zealand Labour 62; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 9; Te Paati Māori 2; Kerekere; Whaitiri.Noes 43New Zealand National 33; ACT New Zealand 10.Clause 2 as amended agreed to.Bill to be reported with amendment.House resumed.CHAIRPERSON (Hon Jenny Salesa): Mr Speaker the committee has considered the Business Payment Practices Bill and reports it with amendment. I move That the report be adopted.Motion agreed to.Report adopted.DEPUTY SPEAKER: This bill is set down for third reading immediately.
Business Payment Practices Bill — In Committee—Clauses 1 and 2
Business Payment Practices Bill — In Committee—Part 5
VoteCHAIRPERSON (Hon Jenny Salesa): The question is that the Minister's amendment to Part 5 set out on Supplementary Order Paper 363 be agreed to.A party vote was called for on the question That the amendment be agreed to.Ayes 72New Zealand Labour 62; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 9; Kerekere.Noes 43New Zealand National 33; ACT New Zealand 10.Amendment agreed to.A party vote was called for on the question That Part 5 as amended be agreed to.Ayes 75New Zealand Labour 62; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 9; Te Paati Māori 2; Kerekere; Whaitiri.Noes 43New Zealand National 33; ACT New Zealand 10.Part 5 as amended agreed to.
VoteCHAIRPERSON (Greg O'Connor): The question is that Andrew Bayly's amendment to Part 4 set out on Supplementary Order Paper 365 be agreed to.A party vote was called for on the question That the amendment be agreed to.Ayes 44New Zealand National 34; ACT New Zealand 10.Noes 72New Zealand Labour 62; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 9; Kerekere.Amendment not agreed to.A party vote was called for on the question That Part 4 be agreed to.Ayes 75New Zealand Labour 62; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 9; Te Paati Māori 2; Kerekere; Whaitiri.Noes 44New Zealand National 34; ACT New Zealand 10.Part 4 agreed to.
Business Payment Practices Bill — In Committee—Part 4
VoteCHAIRPERSON (Greg O'Connor): The question is that the Minister's amendments to Part 3 set out on Supplementary Order Paper 363 be agreed to. A party vote was called for on the question That the amendments be agreed to.Ayes 72New Zealand Labour 62; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 9; Kerekere.Noes 44New Zealand National 34; ACT New Zealand 10.Amendments agreed to.A party vote was called for on the question That Part 3 as amended be agreed to.Ayes 75New Zealand Labour 62; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 9; Te Paati Māori 2; Kerekere; Whaitiri.Noes 44New Zealand National 34; ACT New Zealand 10.Motion agreed to.Part 3 as amended agreed to.
Business Payment Practices Bill — In Committee—Part 3
VoteA party vote was called for on the question That the Sale and Supply of Alcohol (Rugby World Cup 2023 Extended Trading Hours) Amendment Bill be now read a third time.Ayes 106New Zealand Labour 62; New Zealand National 34; ACT New Zealand 10.Noes 13Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 9; Te Paati Māori 2; Kerekere; Whaitiri.Motion agreed to.Bill read a third time.The result corrected after originally being announced as Ayes 116 Noes 13.ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Jenny Salesa): I declare the House in committee for further consideration of the Business Payment Practices Bill.
Sale and Supply of Alcohol (Rugby World Cup 2023 Extended Trading Hours) Amendment Bill — Third Reading
VoteA party vote was called for on the question That the Sale and Supply of Alcohol (Rugby World Cup 2023 Extended Trading Hours) Amendment Bill be now read a second time.Ayes 106New Zealand Labour 62; New Zealand National 34; ACT New Zealand 10.Noes 13Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 9; Te Paati Māori 2; Kerekere; Whaitiri.Motion agreed to.Bill read a second time.ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Jacqui Dean): This bill is set down for committee stage immediately. I declare the House in committee for consideration of the Sale and Supply of Alcohol (Rugby World Cup 2023 Extended Trading Hours) Amendment Bill.
Sale and Supply of Alcohol (Rugby World Cup 2023 Extended Trading Hours) Amendment Bill — Second Reading (continued)
12. Question No. 12—EducationERICA STANFORD (National—East Coast Bays) to the Minister of EducationQuestion No. 12—Education12. ERICA STANFORD (National—East Coast Bays) to the Minister of Education: Does she stand by all of her statements and actions?Hon JAN TINETTI (Minister of Education): Yes in the context that they were given and taken.Erica Stanford: How could she possibly believe that leaving chemistry physics and biology out of the draft science curriculum was a good idea leaving the ministry to work on this curriculum for months without her intervention when teachers are now saying it's embarrassing and will lead to an appalling" decline in student achievement?Hon JAN TINETTI: The member is wrong. The final curriculum will include chemistry physics biology and other core science topics. That is not in question.Erica Stanford: Can she name any other country that doesn't mention the words "chemistry" "biology" and "physics" in their science curriculum?Hon JAN TINETTI: I refer the member to my first answer."
10. Question No. 10—JusticeHon PAUL GOLDSMITH (National) to the Minister of JusticeQuestion No. 10—Justice10. Hon PAUL GOLDSMITH (National) to the Minister of Justice: Does she stand by all of her statements and actions?Hon KIRITAPU ALLAN (Minister of Justice): Yes; in the context in which they were made and undertaken.Hon Paul Goldsmith: Can she explain why she told Parliament yesterday that Cabinet agreed to make a new offence for using a young person to commit a crime punishable by 10 years in prison when that was the same mistake the Prime Minister made on Monday which he had to correct 90 minutes later since Cabinet actually agreed to make it an aggravating factor for sentencing?Hon KIRITAPU ALLAN: I was referring to Cabinet's consideration of the two options as part of the package that we considered on Monday. To the latter point ultimately the Prime Minister has accepted responsibility and acknowledged the mistake that was made with respect to the announcement of those materials. The fact remains we're creating a new aggravating factor that would apply when an adult whether or not connected to an organised crime group commissions a person under 18 to carry out an offence.Hon Paul Goldsmith: Why is the Government so muddled about its justice policies three months before an election?Hon KIRITAPU ALLAN: We're not.Hon Paul Goldsmith: Does she still stand by her tweet on 18 June: locking people up and throwing away the key is exactly what gangs want. They want NZers to pay for their university of crime."; if so how did it inform her announcement today that certain crimes need tougher consequences?Hon KIRITAPU ALLAN: Yes I do stand by that tweet and in particular in the full context it was made. I particularly stand by the component that says that the National Party's law and order policy lacks any evidential foundation."
9. Question No. 9—TourismNAISI CHEN (Labour) to the Minister of TourismQuestion No. 9—Tourism9. NAISI CHEN (Labour) to the Minister of Tourism: What recent announcements has the Government made about increased capacity for international tourism in Aotearoa New Zealand?Hon PEENI HENARE (Minister of Tourism): Great news: I was recently in China where alongside the Rt Hon Chris Hipkins we announced new China to New Zealand direct airline connections which will significantly increase the capacity of incoming tourists every month. We're actively working to attract visitors globally including from China that match our tourism objectives and who will positively contribute to New Zealand's economic recovery.Naisi Chen: What new air routes have been announced?Hon PEENI HENARE: The new China Southern Airlines itinerary includes the reinstatement of the Guangzhou-Christchurch connection and the introduction of three additional services between Guangzhou and Auckland. The increased capacity will bring approximately 7000 seats per month. These additional routes add to the direct air connections between our two countries which are expected to grow to at least 80 percent of pre-COVID levels by September 2023.Naisi Chen: How is this announcement expected to help drive the economic recovery?Hon PEENI HENARE: International visitors spent $3.2 billion in New Zealand in the first quarter of 2023 up from $1.8 billion in the December 2022 quarter. This $3.2 billion makes international tourism the second-highest export earner for the quarter behind dairy exports. For this reason China remains an important tourist market to New Zealand. With borders open and tourists returning to our shores this announcement will make visiting from China even easier and will help drive our economic recovery.Naisi Chen: Why is it important to strengthen the reconnection with China?Hon PEENI HENARE: Research shows that the Chinese visitors post-pandemic are seeking more open spaces wildlife and more immersive experiences. Chinese visitors are increasingly seeking to explore New Zealand through road trips camping campervan holidays and in smaller more tailored tour groups. There is an increased willingness to spend more for high-quality travel accommodation and experiences which will contribute positively to New Zealand's economic recovery. Equally research shows that Chinese visitors are interested in participating in Māori cultural experiences which Te Matatini champions Te Whānau-a-Apanui successfully promoted as a culture lead for our trade mission to China.
VoteA party vote was called for on the question That the Fuel Industry Amendment Bill be now read a third time.Ayes 75New Zealand Labour 62; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 9; Te Paati Māori 2; Kerekere; Whaitiri.Noes 44New Zealand National 34; ACT New Zealand 10.Motion agreed to.Bill read a third time.
Fuel Industry Amendment Bill — Third Reading
VoteCHAIRPERSON (Hon Jenny Salesa): The question is that Simon Court's amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 364 be agreed to.A party vote was called for on the question That the amendment be agreed to.Ayes 44New Zealand National 34; ACT New Zealand 10.Noes 72New Zealand Labour 62; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 9; Kerekere.Amendment not agreed to.A party vote was called for on the question That Parts 1 and 2 the Schedule and clauses 1 to 3 stand part.Ayes 75New Zealand Labour 62; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 9; Te Paati Māori 2; Kerekere; Whaitiri.Noes 44New Zealand National 34; ACT New Zealand 10.Parts 1 and 2 the Schedule and clauses 1 to 3 agreed to.Bill to be reported without amendment.The result corrected after originally being announced as Ayes 65 Noes 44.House resumed.CHAIRPERSON (Hon Jenny Salesa): Madam Speaker the committee has further considered the Fuel Industry Amendment Bill and reports it without amendment. I move That the report be adopted.Motion agreed to.Report adopted.
VoteFUEL INDUSTRY AMENDMENT BILLIn CommitteeDebate resumed from 27 June.Parts 1 and 2 the Schedule and clauses 1 to 3 (continued)CHAIRPERSON (Hon Jenny Salesa): Members the House is in committee on the Fuel Industry Amendment Bill. When we were last considering this bill we were debating Parts 1 and 2 the Schedule and clauses 1 to 3. The question is that Parts 1 and 2 the Schedule and clauses 1 to 3 stand part.SIMON COURT (ACT): Very briefly. Thank you Madam Chair. So Minister I just want you to clarify: are there any additional costs that consumers are likely to face as a result of the obligations on market participants and if so has there been any quantification of costs that consumers may or may not face?Hon Dr MEGAN WOODS (Minister of Energy and Resources): No.
VoteA party vote was called for on the question That the Therapeutic Products Bill be now read a third time.Ayes 74New Zealand Labour 62; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 9; Te Paati Māori 2; Whaitiri.Noes 45New Zealand National 34; ACT New Zealand 10; Kerekere.Motion agreed to.Bill read a third time.The result corrected after originally being announced as Ayes 75 Noes 44.
Therapeutic Products Bill — Third Reading
VoteA party vote was called for on the question That clause 1 be agreed to.Ayes 74New Zealand Labour 62; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 9; Te Paati Māori 2; Whaitiri.Noes 41New Zealand National 30; ACT New Zealand 10; Kerekere.Clause 1 agreed to.A party vote was called for on the question That clause 2 be agreed to.Ayes 74New Zealand Labour 62; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 9; Te Paati Māori 2; Whaitiri.Noes 41New Zealand National 30; ACT New Zealand 10; Kerekere.Clause 2 agreed to.Bill to be reported with amendment.House resumed.CHAIRPERSON (Greg O'Connor): Mr Speaker the committee has considered the Therapeutic Products Bill and reports it with amendments. I move That the report be adopted.Report adopted.
Therapeutic Products Bill — In Committee—Clauses 1 and 2
Therapeutic Products Bill — In Committee—Schedules
Therapeutic Products Bill — In Committee—Part 11