Goldsmith Paul; Robertson GrantHon PAUL GOLDSMITH (National): Thank you Madam Chair. When it comes to the question of jobs the Minister may have noticed that the National Party this morning has been talking about enabling people to have access to their KiwiSaver in emergency times such as this if they've lost their jobs or if they've been made redundant in order to start a new business and backing them to create their opportunities and create their businesses and having a go. I'd be interested to see whether he thinks that's a good idea or not or whether it's just a question of Government borrowing money to create temporary jobs. Also I'd be interested to know around the question of light rail so let's drill into the detail. I'd just be interested to know for example how much the Government has so far spent on that light rail project because it's not just the money that's being spent because this was announced right at the very start as an absolute priority for the Government. They were going to build light rail down Dominion Road. It was never very clear whether it was going to the airport or not—there was some dispute about that—or whether it was rapid transit or a slow train and there was dispute about that—CHAIRPERSON (Hon Ruth Dyson): I'm sorry to interrupt the member. It seems the more senior members are the less able they are to change their—would you mind sitting down; thank you—habits of previous procedures. The House has agreed for both committee stage and this debate that it'll be more like a conversation with the Minister a question and answer time. So that's the first thing. If you could try and narrow your focus. Don't aim for five minutes—that's not a target any more in these debates—but also if the member could speak to the appropriations that we're discussing that would be icing on the cake. Hon PAUL GOLDSMITH: Thank you Madam Chair and I would encourage you to stop the Minister from talking for five minutes in answer as well and then we'd be all square. So the question I have then is how much has been spent so far on the light rail project because it has been a big distraction in that whole infrastructure space—we're talking about investment in infrastructure. We're talking about $12 billion that this Government had set aside for infrastructure at the start of this year—which is in this Budget—and recognising the context of that they came in in Government and they cancelled all National's projects because they didn't like them because Julie Anne Genter did not want to give in to the car fascists Phil Twyford said we'd over-invested in roads and Shane Jones likes roads but only if they're in Northland. As a result of that all those projects were stopped because those members focused on light rail. Three years later nothing's happened with light rail and so I want to know how much has been spent down that cul-de-sac while nothing else happened. I'd be interested in the Minister's answer to that query. Hon GRANT ROBERTSON (Minister of Finance): I'm under instructions to keep my answers very short because we've got to share the love as it were around in that regard—$1.8 billion was set aside in seed funding for this piece of work. The Minister of Transport would be the appropriate Minister to ask for the exact amount and I believe that opportunity may or may not have been taken when that Vote came through.