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Business Statement 
Business Statement 
[Volume:673;Page:19669] 
Thursday 23 June 2011 
Mr Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Prayers 
. 
Business Statement 
Hon SIMON POWER (Acting Leader of the House) 
: 
 Next week the House will be adjourned for 1 week. When the House resumes on Tuesday 5 July the Government intends to make further progress on the New Zealand Security Intelligence Service Amendment Bill the Crimes Amendment Bill (No 3) the Courts and Criminal Matters Bill and other bills on the Order Paper. Wednesday 6 July is scheduled to be a members’ day. 
Hon RICK BARKER (Senior Whip—Labour) 
: 
 I ask the Acting Leader of the House whether it is his intention to use urgency in the first or second week of the next sitting. My second question is that in noting that the Acting Leader of the House has 10 bills on the Order Paper in his name I was wondering whether any particular attention will be given to those bills to ensure that his desk is clear before the end of the legislative year. 
Hon SIMON POWER (Acting Leader of the House) 
: 
 In respect of the second question that the member asked the Minister of Justice and Minister of Commerce are confident that the Acting Leader of the House will have his bills in mind when determining the legislative agenda for the rest of the year. In relation to the first part of the question it is very early days.
Dalziel Lianne: Electoral (Administration) Amendment Bill (No 2) — In Committee 
Dalziel Lianne: Electoral (Administration) Amendment Bill (No 2) — In Committee 
[Volume:674;Page:20461] 
Hon LIANNE DALZIEL (Labour—Christchurch East) 
: 
 I will take a very brief call in order to get on the record of the Committee the understanding that we on this side of the Chamber have in respect of Supplementary Order Paper 262 which will be moved by the Minister in the chair the Minister of Justice. It inserts new clause 5A amending as it does section 22 of the Electoral Act. I put on record our thanks to the Minister for having a very open and consultative approach on this legislation. It is important when it comes to electoral administration to get these technical matters correct just as it is for the more substantive issues in relation to electoral law reform. 
But when I looked at the departmental report about the provisions on the Supplementary Order Paper which are to change the definition of an “adjoining district” for the purposes of the appointment of registrars of electors I saw that the departmental report states “We note that the EEC has already carried out a restructuring exercise aimed at moving to a regionalised structure. This has seen the effective disestablishment of a number Registrar of Electors positions. The restructuring has been challenged by the Engineering Printing and Manufacturing Union in an application for judicial review. We understand that the application which is currently before the courts alleges that the restructuring contravenes the existing requirements of section 22 of the Act. … Amending the Act before the court case is concluded has a number of implications that require careful consideration. One possible effect would be to limit the remedies the court could offer if the application for review is successful. The existence of the ‘live’ legal proceedings supports our earlier conclusion that consideration of the structural change proposed by the EEC should be deferred until a more appropriate time.” Then there is further discussion about the various approaches that the Electoral Commission has adopted on that. 
I would like the Minister to take the opportunity that this debate allows to confirm on the record of the House that this technical amendment is supported by the Engineering Printing and Manufacturing Union and will not prejudice its case.
Tremain Chris: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
Tremain Chris: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
[Volume:674;Page:20452] 
CHRIS TREMAIN (National—Napier) 
: 
 I will take a brief call on Vote Energy to respond to the Greens particularly Kennedy Graham who had a bit of a love-in with Denmark and the goals that Denmark has going forward to 2050. The reason I want to respond to him is that he fails to mention that New Zealand right now is actually ahead of Denmark in terms of the percentage of energy created by renewable sources. In fact New Zealand sits at No. 2 in the world—not No. 3 or No. 4—in terms of the proportion of energy that is created from renewable sources. Iceland is No.1 because of its huge resource of geothermal energy. So for Mr Graham to stand in the Chamber and wax lyrical about Denmark and the goals that it has and not mention that New Zealand already sits ahead of Denmark in terms of renewable energy production is somewhat remiss I think. 
The other point that is worth mentioning—and it occurred while the Green Party was in bed with Labour over the last 9 years—relates to the increase in renewable energy. Over the 9 years of the Labour Government it consented on average 200 megawatts per annum of renewable energy. The peak was 300 megawatts per annum in new renewable energy consents. National was fortunate enough to win the last election. One of the key changes we made was to the Resource Management Act which allowed renewable energy projects that had national significance to be taken directly to the Environment Court. There has been a significant result from that change. In fact this year alone—the 2010-11 year—we have consented 1500 megawatts of renewable energy. In one year alone we have consented 1500 megawatts of renewable energy yet Mr Graham stands on the other side of the Chamber and says we should all be looking at Denmark. I suggest to Mr Graham that Denmark should probably be having a look at New Zealand and it should be sending its MPs to New Zealand to see what we are doing in the renewable energy space. 
We are in great shape in this space. I acknowledge the Acting Minister of Energy and Resources for the excellent work that she is doing. In terms of renewable energy we are at the top of the world—No. 2. I think if we continue the way we are going with the goals we have—to have by 2040 90 percent of energy produced through renewables—we could well be No. 1. I rest my case. 
Vote agreed to.
Power Simon: Electoral (Administration) Amendment Bill (No 2) — In Committee 
Power Simon: Electoral (Administration) Amendment Bill (No 2) — In Committee 
[Volume:674;Page:20461] 
Hon SIMON POWER (Minister of Justice) 
: 
 In respect of this particular bill the Electoral (Administration) Amendment Bill (No 2) Supplementary Order Paper 262 as the member suggests was introduced to respond to an issue about the physical location of registrars of electors. The Act does not on its face seem to support the flexibility needed in the delivery of those services and quite frankly had they been located in other places this issue of having them adjoining the right electorates would have been fine. We have introduced the Supplementary Order Paper to address this matter. It amends section 22 of the Electoral Act to define “adjoining” in relation to electorates. It essentially reflects the status quo and it has the support of all affected parties. 
I will not give a legal opinion about the case itself but I know that the advice I have is that the Engineering Printing and Manufacturing Union supports the amendment before the Committee. How that will affect other matters I will not be drawn on but that is certainly the advice I have received. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 262 in the name of the Hon Simon Power be agreed to. 
Amendments agreed to. 
Part 1 as amended agreed to.
Tremain Chris: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
Tremain Chris: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
[Volume:674;Page:20460] 
CHRIS TREMAIN (Senior Whip—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I note just for a point of clarification that Vote Audit was part of that and I note that you did not mention it. I wonder whether we need to include it in the vote. [ 
Interruption 
] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: We are dealing with a point of order. I just say to the member that Vote Audit was handled. It was the first vote that we did so Vote Audit has been done. [ 
Interruption 
] I say to members that we are doing votes. There is silence when we are doing votes. 
Bill to be reported without amendment presently.
Shearer David: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
Shearer David: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
[Volume:674;Page:20421] 
DAVID SHEARER (Labour—Mt Albert) 
: 
 I stand to speak on Vote Defence. I will start by saying that I think the Minister of Defence who is retiring at the end of this Parliament has put an enormous amount of passion and energy into the defence portfolio. It is obviously something that is close to his heart. 
Hon Steve Chadwick 
: I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. Just a point of clarification. The member is speaking on defence but you have not yet called the defence vote. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: I was just picking that up. I do not know whether the member was being complimentary to the Minister in the chair as Minister of Defence and then was going on to foreign affairs and trade. 
DAVID SHEARER 
: No I was not; I am sorry. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: That is OK. I call David Shearer speaking on foreign affairs and trade. 
DAVID SHEARER 
: No defence actually. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: The member does not want to speak on that. All right. We will move to the vote. 
Vote agreed to.
Henare Tau: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
Henare Tau: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
[Volume:674;Page:20410] 
Hon TAU HENARE (National) 
: 
 I say how wonderful it is to get up in the Chamber and look at the statistics for Vote Treaty Negotiations because for a long time things had slowed down considerably. So my hat is off. I doff my cap to the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations. I also doff my cap to those who have seen fit to get out there and hustle for an agreement and hustle for the right of a people to get to the end of a process whereby they can look forward to one telling their story and two receiving a settlement—even if it is not a settlement it is a signature between the Crown and iwi to show that they are on their way and that they can look forward instead of always having to look back and negotiate. I congratulate the Minister on a job well done: 15 mandates four agreements in principle 10 deeds of settlement and two bills passed in only 3 years. We are not even at the end of 3 years. As I mentioned before what is interesting is that we are not even through the 3 years yet and the 9 years before that showed very little inspiration for either colleagues in the Chamber or iwi Maori who wanted to have their story told have their story acknowledged and move into a settlement process and then on to that post-settlement period where they could enjoy the fruits of their negotiation skills and also the good graces of our Government. 
I do not want to take up too much of the Committee’s time other than to say congratulations to the Minister. He has done a great job a fast job and I think that the process we went through over the last 3 years—and especially this last year—will make those settlements endure for quite some time. Iwi Maori will be able to get on the road and get on that new path of developing policies and issues and doing things for the betterment of their people. Thanks very much.
Cosgrove Clayton: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
Cosgrove Clayton: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
[Volume:674;Page:20410] 
Hon CLAYTON COSGROVE (Labour—Waimakariri) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I know this is exceptionally unusual but through you I make a plea to the Attorney-General. Families I am told are watching these proceedings now and I make a plea to him— 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: That is not— 
Hon CLAYTON COSGROVE 
: —to at least do the courtesy— 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: The member will sit down please. That is not a point of order. 
Vote agreed to.
Vote: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
Vote: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
[Volume:674;Page:20397] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That Vote Corrections be agreed to. 
Ayes 67 
New Zealand National 57; ACT New Zealand 5; Maori Party 4; United Future 1. 
Noes 53 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 9; Progressive 1; Independent: Carter C. 
Vote Corrections agreed to. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: I remind members that when they are casting votes they cannot be wandering around; they must be behind their desks. I just bring that to the attention of members.
Dean Jacqui: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Dean Jacqui: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:674;Page:20384] 
5. 
JACQUI DEAN (National—Waitaki) 
 to the  
Minister of Health 
: What progress has the Government made on the Voluntary Bonding Scheme? 
Hon TONY RYALL (Minister of Health) 
: 
 The Voluntary Bonding Scheme is designed to encourage graduate doctors nurses and midwives to stay in New Zealand by writing off their student loan if they work in a hard-to-staff area. For the third year in a row the scheme has been hugely popular with young doctors nurses and midwives. This year 429 more graduates have enrolled bringing the number of health professionals on the scheme to more that 1800. These graduates are keeping their skills at home and helping patients in hard-to-staff specialities and areas. 
Jacqui Dean 
: How many doctors nurses and midwives are enrolled in the Voluntary Bonding Scheme? 
Hon TONY RYALL 
: I am advised by the Ministry of Health that there are 1424 nurses 220 doctors and 179 midwives currently enrolled in the scheme. They are signed up to work in remote communities including the East Coast and in specialities including general practice rural hospital medicine intensive care nursing and aged-care nursing—areas that have struggled to get the staff that they need. Just last week Marilyn Head of the New Zealand Nurses Organisation said the scheme “helps to develop critical leadership and a homegrown workforce.”
Henare Tau: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Henare Tau: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:674;Page:20385] 
7. 
Hon TAU HENARE (National) 
 to the  
Minister of Transport 
: What progress has been made on the Hobsonville Deviation and the Western Ring Route Road of National Significance? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE (Minister of Transport) 
: 
 Good news. On Saturday I joined the Prime Minister in opening the new Hobsonville deviation in Auckland 6 months ahead of schedule. I am very pleased that the benefits of this project will be felt in time for the Rugby World Cup. The Hobsonville motorway is just one of three major Auckland motorway projects opening ahead of schedule. In July of last year the Manukau Harbour Crossing opened 7 months ahead of schedule and the Victoria Park tunnel will open to two lanes of traffic in November 3 months earlier than anticipated. These projects are crucial in helping New Zealand to grow more strongly out of the global financial crisis. 
Hon Tau Henare 
: What benefits will the Hobsonville project deliver to Auckland residents? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE 
: The new deviation at Hobsonville completes the Upper Harbour Highway section of the western ring route which of course is a 48-kilometre alternative to State Highway 1 running from Manukau to Albany. The $220 million Hobsonville project will significantly reduce congestion in north-west Auckland and improve journey times from the west to the North Shore. This will boost economic growth and productivity in Auckland through more efficient movement of freight and people to the western parts of the city and support planned residential expansion and commercial expansion in this area. The new motorway will also improve safety greatly by taking a lot of through traffic off local roads. 
Phil Twyford 
: Does he accept that the cost-benefit of motorway ramps for the new Westgate Town Centre would be vastly better than the cost-benefit for his “Holiday Highway”? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE 
: The member opposite and his compatriots do need to give up this constant disparaging of the Puhoi to Wellsford road but I would point out that there is ongoing discussion between the developers—who of course want access on that motorway—the New Zealand Transport Agency and the council and I understand that good progress is being made.
Tremain Chris: Sittings of the House 
Tremain Chris: Sittings of the House 
[Volume:674;Page:20462] 
CHRIS TREMAIN (Senior Whip—National) 
: 
 I seek leave for the House to rise now and to return next sitting day. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy) 
: Leave is sought for that purpose. Is there anyone opposed to that course of action? There appears not. Leave is granted.
Twyford Phil: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Twyford Phil: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:674;Page:20387] 
PHIL TWYFORD (Labour) 
: 
 I seek leave to table this photograph which shows the Hon Annette King— 
Mr SPEAKER 
: What is the source of this document? 
PHIL TWYFORD 
: It is a photograph of Annette King turning the first sod on the Hobsonville motorway in 2008. It raises the concern that the pipeline of Labour-initiated transport projects is running out. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The member has made his point. Leave is sought to table that document. Is there any objection? There is objection.
Lotu-Iiga Peseta Sam: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Lotu-Iiga Peseta Sam: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:674;Page:20387] 
9. 
PESETA SAM LOTU-IIGA (National—Maungakiekie) 
 to the  
Minister of Police 
: Can she provide an update on the Police’s Neighbourhood Policing Team initiative that is focused on reducing crime crashes and disorder in priority neighbourhoods? 
Hon JUDITH COLLINS (Minister of Police) 
: 
 Yes. I am pleased to report that following the successful deployment of neighbourhood policing teams in Counties-Manukau a further 18 teams are being trained for a nationwide roll-out of the initiative. Neighbourhood policing teams work in priority communities for 3 to 5 years alongside other Government agencies and partners to solve the problems of that neighbourhood. By the end of the year 30 teams will be working across priority communities in New Zealand to reduce crime road accidents and disorder by proactively focusing on prevention and demand reduction. 
Peseta Sam Lotu-Iiga 
: Why have police adopted this new approach and what has been the community’s reaction to the teams in Counties-Manukau? 
Hon JUDITH COLLINS 
: The neighbourhood policing initiative is one of a range of common-sense initiatives that form the Policing Excellence programme. This programme aims to put resources where they are most needed respond better to victims and increase the focus on preventing crime and road accidents. Six neighbourhood policing teams were first deployed in Counties-Manukau in August last year. There are now 12 teams working across the district. The local reaction has been very positive. The communities have welcomed the opportunity to work with police to take ownership of the issues on their own patch.
Sittings of the House 
Sittings of the House 
[Volume:674;Page:20462] 
Sittings of the House 
CHRIS TREMAIN (Senior Whip—National) 
: 
 I seek leave for the House to rise now and to return next sitting day. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy) 
: Leave is sought for that purpose. Is there anyone opposed to that course of action? There appears not. Leave is granted.
Upston Louise: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
Upston Louise: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
[Volume:674;Page:20392] 
LOUISE UPSTON (National—Taupo) 
: 
 The environment estimates include two key projects the first of which is the Government’s Resource Management Act reform and the second is the creation of the Environmental Protection Authority. Both enhance geothermal developments which of course benefit the Taupo region. 
One of the initiatives that has been opened this year by the Acting Minister of Energy and Resources Hekia Parata is the Clean Energy Centre which has been established to accelerate the adoption of clean-energy solutions by industry communities businesses and households in New Zealand. The Clean Energy Centre is a model of energy efficiency and green architecture. The Clean Energy Centre is the perfect example of using environmental opportunities where we are enhancing— 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: I am sorry to interrupt the member. I ask members to give consideration to the speaker. It is very unsettling when there is so much background noise. If one wants to speak that is what the lobbies are for. 
LOUISE UPSTON 
: The Clean Energy Centre is the opportunity to balance environmental protection and the growth of the economy. 
If we look at geothermal energy in the Bay of Plenty and the wider Waikato region we see that geothermal energy is one of our main job opportunities and growth opportunities. With last year’s opening of Nga Awa Purua New Zealand’s largest geothermal power station approximately 14 percent of New Zealand’s electricity supply is now coming from geothermal sources and this is yet another example of initiatives that have come out of the estimates for Vote Environment. 
Another initiative that has had a significant impact in the Taupo electorate is of course the Fresh Start for Fresh Water Clean-up Fund. This is a significant investment of $264.8 million in the clean-up of waterways across our country. This is a significant issue and if I look at the recent survey of constituents in my electorate I see that the environmental issue that concerns them the most is water quality. So this is yet another example of the work done by Minister Nick Smith in putting our money where our mouth is in terms of the significant issues that affect our environment. 
The Fresh Start for Fresh Water Clean-up Fund was one of the initiatives that came out of the recent  
Report of the Land and Water Forum: A Fresh Start for Freshwater 
 on which there were 58 representatives of water stakeholders. This really was a first move in collaboration. A significant effort was made by the many stakeholder organisations with a significant number of public meetings up and down the country—18 in fact—endorsing the work that the Land and Water Forum did. 
We recognise that if New Zealand is to go forward both in terms of our economy and in terms of growing our visitor industry one of the key things that must attract visitors is our clean water. That is why it is important that this Government continues to invest in significant clean-up projects of lakes such as Lake Taupo and of the Waikato River.
Robertson Grant: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Robertson Grant: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:673;Page:19888] 
GRANT ROBERTSON (Labour—Wellington Central) 
: 
 Earlier in debate on the previous clause Steve Chadwick said that we had reached the nuts and bolts of this legislation. Well I beg to differ. I think we have now reached the nuts and bolts of the legislation because we are now moving slightly away from the question of the incorporation of the humanities and towards the way in which the Royal Society wants to structure itself. When this bill was brought before me as the member for Wellington Central the Royal Society sat down with me and said: “Look the main thing here is about the humanities but there is also some very important tidying-up of the way we go about our business.” That is what we have reached here. 
Tim Macindoe 
: The age of enlightenment has arrived. 
GRANT ROBERTSON 
: Mr Macindoe is enlightened and I plan to enlighten him further—at some length too I might add. In clause 14 we come to the question of amending section 22 of the Royal Society of New Zealand Act as it now stands. 
Progress reported. 
Report adopted.
Vote: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:673;Page:19888] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 64 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 9; Maori Party 4; Progressive 1; Independent: Carter C. 
Motion agreed to. 
Clause 13 agreed to.
Goodhew Jo: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Goodhew Jo: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:673;Page:19888] 
JO GOODHEW (Junior Whip—National) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Upston Louise: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Upston Louise: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:673;Page:19884] 
LOUISE UPSTON (National—Taupo) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Vote: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:673;Page:19880] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 68 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; Maori Party 4; United Future 1. 
Noes 53 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 9; Progressive 1; Independent: Carter C. 
Motion agreed to. 
Clause 12 agreed to.
Goodhew Jo: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Goodhew Jo: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:673;Page:19877] 
JO GOODHEW (Junior Whip—National) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Macindoe Tim: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Macindoe Tim: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:673;Page:19885] 
TIM MACINDOE (National—Hamilton West) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Macindoe Tim: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Macindoe Tim: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:673;Page:19876] 
TIM MACINDOE (National—Hamilton West) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Vote: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:673;Page:19871] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 74 
New Zealand National 58; Green Party 9; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1; Independent: Carter C. 
Noes 43 
New Zealand Labour 42; Progressive 1. 
Motion agreed to. 
Clause 11 agreed to.
Borrows Chester: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Borrows Chester: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:673;Page:19871] 
CHESTER BORROWS (National—Whanganui) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Ross Jami-Lee: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Ross Jami-Lee: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:673;Page:19867] 
JAMI-LEE ROSS (National—Botany) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Goodhew Jo: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Goodhew Jo: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:673;Page:19863] 
JO GOODHEW (Junior Whip—National) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
. 
Motion agreed to. 
Clause 10 agreed to.
Ardern Shane: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Ardern Shane: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:673;Page:19862] 
SHANE ARDERN (National—Taranaki - King Country) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Ross Jami-Lee: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Ross Jami-Lee: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:673;Page:19860] 
JAMI-LEE ROSS (National—Botany) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Bridges Simon: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Bridges Simon: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:673;Page:19855] 
SIMON BRIDGES (National—Tauranga) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: The question is that the question be now put. Those of that opinion will say Aye— 
Su’a William Sio 
: I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I am sorry Mr Chair but I did want to raise the information that Mr Grant Robertson raised. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: No I did not accept the member’s call. I accepted the call of the member over here Mr Bridges and that is the end of the matter. The Committee will decide whether the motion is agreed to and the question is put.
Lee Melissa: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Lee Melissa: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:673;Page:19853] 
MELISSA LEE (National) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
King Colin: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — In Committee 
King Colin: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:673;Page:19842] 
COLIN KING (National—Kaikoura) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Vote: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:673;Page:19842] 
A party vote  was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 73 
New Zealand National 58; Green Party 9; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Noes 43 
New Zealand Labour 42; Progressive 1. 
Motion agreed to. 
Clause 8 agreed to.
Roy Eric: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Roy Eric: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:673;Page:19834] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: Just before I take the next call I would like to refresh members’ minds that we are dealing with clause 8 which is headed “No dividend or profit to members”.
Lee Melissa: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Lee Melissa: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:673;Page:19819] 
12. 
MELISSA LEE (National) 
 to the  
Minister of Customs 
: What reports has he received on the facilitation of trade between New Zealand and the Republic of Korea? 
Hon MAURICE WILLIAMSON (Minister of Customs) 
: 
 More good news. The recent signing of a mutual recognition agreement or MRA between New Zealand and the Republic of Korea will bring significant benefits to New Zealand exporters. The mutual recognition agreement was signed at a World Customs Organization council meeting in Brussels on the weekend of 25-26 June. I expect that the agreement will become operational on 1 January next year. The Korea mutual recognition agreement is New Zealand Customs Service’s third such agreement; the other two are with the United States and Japan. 
Melissa Lee 
: What benefits does this agreement give to New Zealand’s Secure Export Scheme exporters to the Republic of Korea? 
Hon MAURICE WILLIAMSON 
: The mutual recognition agreement allows New Zealand members of the Secure Export Scheme to have their goods processed faster at the Republic of Korea’s border and they can receive front-of-line priority which therefore gives them quicker access to the Korean market. In the last year New Zealand exported nearly $1.4 billion worth of goods to Korea by sea. Exports from Secure Export Scheme members made up 37 percent of that figure. The mutual recognition agreement is an important contributor to strengthening trade ties with Korea while our countries negotiate a bilateral free-trade agreement. The Government is looking forward to concluding that agreement at the earliest possible opportunity.
Vote: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:673;Page:19855] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 74 
New Zealand National 58; Green Party 9; ACT New Zealand 5; Progressive 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 42 
New Zealand Labour 42. 
Motion agreed to. 
Clause 9 agreed to.
Lotu-Iiga Peseta Sam: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Lotu-Iiga Peseta Sam: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:673;Page:19808] 
2. 
PESETA SAM LOTU-IIGA (National—Maungakiekie) 
 to the  
Minister of Finance 
: What reports has he received on the Government’s financial position? 
Hon BILL ENGLISH (Minister of Finance) 
: 
 This morning we released the Government’s financial statements for the 11 months to 31 May of the financial year. The operating deficit was $10.8 billion about 1.3 billion below forecast due to higher than expected tax revenue and lower core Crown expenses. 
Peseta Sam Lotu-Iiga 
: What impact are these early signs of progress in reducing the deficit likely to have on the Government’s finances for the full year ended 30 June 2011? 
Hon BILL ENGLISH 
: It could be a small positive impact. The forecast now looks like the deficit could be $16 billion for the year down from $16.7 billion. But $16 billion is still a very large deficit and it simply underlines the need for good fiscal management good expenditure control and sound policy that will promote the growth of the economy and the growth of tax revenue. 
Peseta Sam Lotu-Iiga 
: How did Budget 2011 improve the outlook for Government debt and deficits over the next few years? 
Hon BILL ENGLISH 
: As a result of the measures in the Budget the Government now expects a surplus by 2014-15 and will borrow considerably less over the next 3 or 4 years—possibly up to about $10 billion less borrowing than was forecast in the 2010 Budget. The Government debt is expected to peak at under 30 percent of GDP compared with 34 percent of GDP without the decisions of Budget 2011. 
Peseta Sam Lotu-Iiga 
: How does the improved fiscal and debt outlook in Budget 2011 compare with the position that the Government inherited in late 2008? 
Hon BILL ENGLISH 
: It is much healthier. The pre-election update in 2008 showed a decade of deficits and ever-rising debt. That was because New Zealand went into recession in early 2008 9 months before the global financial crisis. Net debt in December 2008 was forecast to soar to 50 percent of GDP and never fall. The last Labour Government left a fiscal mess and by making careful and considered decisions this Government has tidied it up.
Gilmore Aaron: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Gilmore Aaron: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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4. 
AARON GILMORE (National) 
 to the  
Minister of Finance 
: What changes has the Government made to the tax treatment of investment property to increase fairness and help rebalance the economy towards productive investment? 
Hon BILL ENGLISH (Minister of Finance) 
: 
 The Government inherited a flawed property tax regime that contributed to the excessive property boom of the last decade. So in last year’s Budget we stopped claims for depreciation deductions tightened rules on loss attributing qualifying companies prevented property investors from using rental losses to inflate their eligibility for Working for Families and cut the top personal tax rate reducing the value of losses that higher-income earners can claim on property investments. 
Aaron Gilmore 
: What extra resources has the Government provided to the Inland Revenue Department to help ensure that property speculators pay their fair share of tax? 
Hon BILL ENGLISH 
: People who trade in property of course have to pay tax on their profits and we need to make sure that they do. The Budget last year provided the Inland Revenue Department with $119 million over 4 years to target property speculators who were not paying. This investment has paid for itself in the first year with $115 million of new tax assessments in the last 9 months. The extra funding has also been used for audits centred on the hidden economy where people tend to do cash transactions to avoid paying tax. 
Aaron Gilmore 
: What other options did the Government consider for tightening tax rules on property investors? 
Hon BILL ENGLISH 
: We considered a number of options that were worked through by the Tax Working Group including a comprehensive capital gains tax. However we decided against a capital gains tax for several reasons: it would make the tax system much more complex to administer it would raise virtually no money for several years and it would encourage taxpayers to hold on to assets for longer to avoid tax. Far from raising $4 billion as I think the Opposition claimed even a 15 percent capital gains tax on rental property will raise only $700 million which will not pay for even half of its other tax promises. 
Aaron Gilmore 
: What reports has he seen of alternative tax policies? 
Hon BILL ENGLISH 
: I have seen what I think was an announcement that a 15 percent capital gains tax applied to investment properties would raise $4.5 billion. This is simply not correct. A 15 percent tax of that nature would eventually raise $700 million. In fact it would probably take 15 years before it raised $700 million. The other big problem for a capital gains tax is that house prices are flat or falling so it is quite possible that one could bring in the tax and raise nothing.
Smith Lockwood: Visitors — Japan—Prime Minister’s Fellow Mr Takatane Kiuchi National Diet 
Smith Lockwood: Visitors — Japan—Prime Minister’s Fellow Mr Takatane Kiuchi National Diet 
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Mr SPEAKER 
: Honourable members I have much pleasure in informing the House that Mr Takatane Kiuchi the 2011 Prime Minister’s Fellow from the National Diet of Japan is present in the gallery. I am sure members would wish that he be welcomed.
King Colin: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
King Colin: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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8. 
COLIN KING (National—Kaikoura) 
 to the  
Minister of Agriculture 
: What recent steps has the Government taken to progress international research into agricultural emissions and food security? 
Hon DAVID CARTER (Minister of Agriculture) 
: 
 Recently Tim Groser and I attended the inaugural ministerial summit of the New Zealand - led Global Research Alliance on Agricultural Greenhouse Gases in Rome. The summit was a resounding success with 36 countries signing up to the alliance and its aims of bringing together countries to work on solutions to reduce agricultural emissions whilst producing more food. The success of the alliance and its endorsement by countries such as Brazil China and the United States is a significant coup for New Zealand and shows that this Government is serious about taking practical steps to reduce agricultural greenhouse gas emissions without crippling our vital food-producing sector. 
Colin King 
: What further support has New Zealand provided to the Global Research Alliance on Agricultural Greenhouse Gases? 
Hon DAVID CARTER 
: At the ministerial summit I was pleased to announce that New Zealand will establish a $25 million international fund to support research on mitigating agricultural greenhouse gas emissions. The fund is aimed at bold research efforts that must have people working across disciplines and across borders but must include a New Zealand partner. 
Colin King 
: Why has the Global Research Alliance on Agricultural Greenhouse Gases received such a high level of international support? 
Hon DAVID CARTER 
: There is clear international consensus that the two biggest challenges to face the world are food security and climate change. The Global Research Alliance on Agricultural Greenhouse Gases squarely addresses both of these challenges through its voluntary pragmatic nature and its focus on scientists not politicians. That is why 36 countries from France to South Africa Brazil the United Kingdom and Korea are strongly supportive. All of them praise New Zealand’s leadership in turning the Global Research Alliance on Agricultural Greenhouse Gases into a reality.
Dean Jacqui: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Dean Jacqui: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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JACQUI DEAN (National—Waitaki) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Robertson Grant: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Robertson Grant: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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GRANT ROBERTSON (Labour—Wellington Central) 
: 
 I will speak very briefly as I am conscious that other colleagues want to speak. Su’a William Sio asked about the origins of the term “fellow” and using a research tool that the Royal Society may not approve of—Wikipedia—I am able to answer Su’a William Sio’s question. 
The appointment of fellows was first authorised on 22 April 1663 by the original Royal Society in the United Kingdom. Originally 94 fellows were appointed—perhaps not through the same process as that of the Royal Society of New Zealand—and another four were appointed a little later. They were known as the Original Fellows of the Royal Society. Interestingly two-thirds of them were not scientists. Wikipedia speculates that one of the reasons for that was that the Royal Society needed money. It had no funding from the Crown and it needed money to operate and that would appear to be the reason that those fellows were charged an entrance fee of £4 at the time. But over time obviously the nature of being a fellow changed in the United Kingdom as it has in New Zealand and the traditions about how one becomes a fellow have changed significantly. 
Just while we are on the subject—because I think it is interesting to reflect on the importance of the Royal Society—I note that the Royal Society in the United Kingdom has only 1300 fellows even today. So there are very very few. The 300 New Zealand people can do the maths and work out that there are proportionately more here in New Zealand but the Royal Society in the United Kingdom from which the Royal Society of New Zealand came is still a very exclusive club. The original members of that Royal Society included Christopher Wren and all sorts of people who were founding fathers of science. So the term “fellow” is certainly a historic one. I suspect it has been retained despite gender connotations because of that link to as far back as 1663. I thought I would clarify that matter for the member.
Calder Cam: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Calder Cam: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Dr CAM CALDER (National) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Visitors — Japan—Prime Minister’s Fellow Mr Takatane Kiuchi National Diet 
Visitors — Japan—Prime Minister’s Fellow Mr Takatane Kiuchi National Diet 
[Volume:673;Page:19805] 
Wednesday 6 July 2011 
Mr Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Karakia 
. 
Visitors 
Japan—Prime Minister’s Fellow Mr Takatane Kiuchi National Diet 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Honourable members I have much pleasure in informing the House that Mr Takatane Kiuchi the 2011 Prime Minister’s Fellow from the National Diet of Japan is present in the gallery. I am sure members would wish that he be welcomed.
Vote: Courts and Criminal Matters Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Courts and Criminal Matters Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:673;Page:19800] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 4 as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 109 
New Zealand National 58; New Zealand Labour 42; ACT New Zealand 4; Maori Party 3; Progressive 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 10 
Green Party 9; Independent: Carter C. 
Part 4 as amended agreed to.
Vote: Courts and Criminal Matters Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Courts and Criminal Matters Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:673;Page:19797] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 67 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; Maori Party 3; United Future 1. 
Noes 53 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 9; Progressive 1; Independent: Carter C. 
Motion agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 244 in the name of the Hon Georgina te Heuheu to the proposed amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 202 in her name to Part 3 and the following amendment in the name of the Hon Simon Power to the proposed amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 202 in the name of the Hon Georgina te Heuheu to clause 69 be agreed to: 
to omit proposed section 92I(1)(ea) and substitute the following paragraph: 
“(ea)requiring recognised users to take all reasonable steps to ensure that a query subject’s driver licence number (if any) or driver licence card number (if any) or both are obtained from the query subject by or on behalf of the recognised user each time a fine status query is submitted:”. 
Amendments agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendments as amended set out on Supplementary Order Paper 202 in the name of the Hon Georgina te Heuheu to Part 3 and the following amendment in the name of the Hon Simon Power to clause 69 be agreed to: 
to omit new section 92I(1)(c) and substitute the following paragraph: 
“(c)prescribing the procedure requirements or other matters in relation to the cancellation of access codes including the circumstances when access codes may be suspended immediately pending their proposed cancellation and the opportunity for submissions in that respect are required to be given to the recognised user concerned:”. 
Amendments as amended agreed to. 
Part 3 as amended agreed to.
Tremain Chris: Courts and Criminal Matters Bill — In Committee 
Tremain Chris: Courts and Criminal Matters Bill — In Committee 
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CHRIS TREMAIN (Senior Whip—National) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Vote: Courts and Criminal Matters Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Courts and Criminal Matters Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:673;Page:19791] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 67 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; Maori Party 3; United Future 1. 
Noes 53 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 9; Progressive 1; Independent: Carter C. 
Motion agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 244 in the name of the Hon Georgina te Heuheu to the proposed amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 202 in her name to Part 2 be agreed to. 
Amendments to the amendments agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendments as amended set out on Supplementary Order Paper 202 in the name of the Hon Georgina te Heuheu to Part 2 be agreed to. 
Amendments as amended agreed to. 
Part 2 as amended agreed to. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: We now move to Part 3 debate on clauses 51 to 77 and schedule 2. The question is that Part 3 stand part.
Dean Jacqui: Courts and Criminal Matters Bill — In Committee 
Dean Jacqui: Courts and Criminal Matters Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:673;Page:19791] 
JACQUI DEAN (National—Waitaki) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Vote: Courts and Criminal Matters Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Courts and Criminal Matters Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:673;Page:19780] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 1 as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 111 
New Zealand National 58; New Zealand Labour 42; ACT New Zealand 5; Maori Party 4; Progressive 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 10 
Green Party 9; Independent: Carter C. 
Part 1 as amended agreed to.