Pugh MaureenMAUREEN PUGH (National): Thank you very much Mr Chair. I'm very pleased to be taking another call on Part 5. As the Minister in the chair Carmel Sepuloni has pointed out this is very much intact as it was prior to Supplementary Order Paper 25 being tabled. But as my colleague Simon O'Connor has pointed out the committee stage is actually our opportunity to improve legislation as it goes through and so we do take this time to analyse in some detail and this is what our obligation is as legislators in this House.I go back to a tabled amendment in the name of Louise Upston. It refers to Part 5 clause 217 and it's that the Ministry of Social Development (MSD) must advise [the person] of the hierarchy of [the] sanctions and ensure [that person understands] the impacts of any breaches." The hierarchy of those sanctions require that for a first breach of this clause there is a reduction in their main benefit; for the second failure there is a suspension of a main benefit; and then for the third failure there is a cancellation.So when we have a look at what the obligations of the person are they are that they must be available for reasonable work opportunities and the second obligation is that they must accept any reasonable offer. For my area down in West Coast - Tasman the seasonal workers are also a very big part of the employment opportunities that are presented to people on benefits and so this obligation that they must accept any reasonable work offer is very reasonable indeed. The third obligation is that they must participate in interviews—they must go for interviews. I can tell you that in my experience in talking to some employers even turning up to an interview can be quite a challenge and so I do support the fact that we have this hierarchy of sanctions that are available to MSD to implement for breaches from people who are on those benefits.I'd just like to also go back to a contribution made by our newest MP in the House Dan Bidois who is from the great electorate of Northcote. He spoke to Part 5 as well and he referred to Louise Upston's tabled amendment to clause 232(a) where the "Compliance was dependent on any assistance specified by MSD including availability of online MSD services." He did outline a few examples but there are a few more that I would like to use to show why the online availability could be included in this bill. One of the things that comes to my mind mainly because I guess I'm a rural MP in the great electorate of West Coast - Tasman is that we have absolutely no public transport. Not from one end of the electorate to the other—Simeon Brown: Not even a bus?MAUREEN PUGH: —is there any opportunity for public transport. The closest we get are school buses. So having availability of those online services is absolutely essential.We've got to also realise that under the current environment the ability for people to drive to MSD offices to update or to interview etc. is becoming more and more challenging. Part of that reason is because hardly anyone there can afford the fuel any more because of the fuel taxes that have been imposed. So the online availability is absolutely essential to people especially in rural and provincial New Zealand. As champions of the regions I would expect that New Zealand First would appreciate that we do need to use this technology.We see often in this House that we have supplementary—what are those bills called when we get a whole group together?Simeon Brown: Oh lots of bills. Oh cognate.MAUREEN PUGH: Yeah—can't remember. I can't remember what they're called.Hon Members: Omnibus.MAUREEN PUGH: We have omnibus bills—but yes we do. We have omnibus bills where—statutes amendments—we parcel together a whole lot of minor changes that are required in bills and so—I've lost my train of thought. But anyway I think I've made my point and I do think that we do have an opportunity to bring this up to date and fit for purpose for the 21st century."