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Garrett David: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Garrett David: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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3.  
DAVID GARRETT (ACT) 
 to the  
Minister of Corrections 
: What cost savings can be achieved through building prefabricated modular units to house prisoners and when can we expect to see the first prefabricated prison in place and occupied by criminals? 
Hon SIMON POWER (Minister of Justice) 
 on behalf of the  
Minister of Corrections 
: I am advised that the use of prefabricated modular units is one of a number of options being considered to accommodate prisoners. The Department of Corrections expects that modular units will cost approximately half of the $643000 per bed that it cost when the previous Government built its four new prisons. If that option is agreed to the department expects the first modular unit to be occupied by prisoners in or around September 2012. 
David Garrett 
: Can the Minister confirm that the prefab prison—when it is built—will not have underfloor heating plasma televisions in every cell and expensive gymnasium facilities and that criminals in those facilities will be required to work? 
Hon SIMON POWER 
: I can advise that there will be no underfloor heating or plasma televisions in a new prison. Inmates will have appropriate exercise facilities rather than the type of gymnasium I saw at one of the new prisons built by the previous Government. It seemed flash enough to charge a joining fee and for yearly membership. As for work in prisons the Government has pledged to boost by 1000 the number of prisoners who will be learning industry-based skills through the department’s inmate employment scheme by 2011. 
Hon Clayton Cosgrove 
: Can the Minister assure the House that those prefabricated modular units will provide at least the same level of security as is provided by current prison facilities; and further given that the current lifespan of prisons is over a hundred years will the modular units provide a similar level of durability so that the taxpayer does not end up paying twice: once for those units and a second time for more substantial replacements? 
Hon SIMON POWER 
: The Minister is confident that the new measures introduced by this Government will meet many of the standards that we would expect from our prison system including the matters raised by the member opposite. I tell the House that we will act on measures to keep our prison system safe. This Government will not take 9 years to introduce a corrections amendment bill. 
Sandra Goudie 
: Has the Minister received any other feedback on the cost savings from building prefabricated modular units? 
Hon SIMON POWER 
: Yes. The Leader of the Opposition has criticised the Government’s plan to save taxpayer dollars stating that “If you are short-sighted enough to build something cheap and nasty you will be rebuilding before very long.” and “When you are building a public institution you build it to make it last.” That is a surprising claim when the four prisons built under Labour where costs blew out by half a billion dollars have already racked up $9 million in repair bills.
Smith Lockwood: Points of Order — Bills—Availability 
Smith Lockwood: Points of Order — Bills—Availability 
[Volume:652;Page:1044] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I accept the concern expressed by the honourable member. There may be a chance to discuss that issue at the Business Committee today. I am aware that the Government recognises the concern of the member and I think steps will be taken to try to make sure that bills are available a little sooner.
Norman Russel William: Points of Order — Bills—Availability 
Norman Russel William: Points of Order — Bills—Availability 
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Dr RUSSEL NORMAN (Co-Leader—Green) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I seek your assistance and support really. It has been indicated to us that a number of important bills are coming up for debate very shortly and I am becoming a bit concerned that members are getting into the habit of having to debate and vote on legislation before we have had a chance to properly digest it. I am seeking your support and am asking you to put some pressure on the Leader of the House to provide bills to us earlier than half an hour before we have to debate and vote on them.
Fitzsimons Jeanette: Motions — Members of Parliament—Submission to Remuneration Authority 
Fitzsimons Jeanette: Motions — Members of Parliament—Submission to Remuneration Authority 
[Volume:652;Page:1044] 
JEANETTE FITZSIMONS (Co-Leader—Green) 
: 
 I seek leave to move without notice or debate a motion on MPs’ remuneration which has been advised to all party leaders. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Is there any objection? There is no objection. 
JEANETTE FITZSIMONS 
: I move  
That the members of this House recognising that in the current economic situation Government revenue is reduced many New Zealanders are losing their jobs or overtime and more Government spending is required to invest in job creation and income support agree to support a cross-party submission to the Remuneration Authority asking it to refrain from raising MPs’ salaries during the 2009 review and commit to revisiting this issue in 2010. 
Motion agreed to.
Cullen Michael: Speaker’s Statements — Speaker’s Procession—New Route 
Cullen Michael: Speaker’s Statements — Speaker’s Procession—New Route 
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Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Labour) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. Perhaps in order to ensure the dignity of your office you will be making it clear that you will not be available for questions from the media during that procession. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I thank the honourable member for that point.
Dunne Peter: Motions — Bushfires—Victoria Australia 
Dunne Peter: Motions — Bushfires—Victoria Australia 
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Hon PETER DUNNE (Leader—United Future) 
: 
 On behalf of United Future I support the resolution that has been moved this afternoon by the Prime Minister and endorse the comments that others have made in this debate. Australia is enduring its worst peacetime tragedy with these fires. The loss of so many innocent lives and the destruction of property livelihoods experiences and communities are things that will not be put to rest once the fires are extinguished. Life will take a very long time to return to normal for affected communities and families and for that country as a whole. 
It is great that New Zealanders are showing their support and their encouragement for their Australian kith and kin at this time. I think that the enormity of what has happened is difficult to comprehend but simple images convey a stark story—the cars on the edge of the road where the fire overtook the victims the houses that look like crumpled messes and the people standing shell-shocked amongst those ruins shaking their heads and saying they have lost everything from children to material possessions. Those images are beyond our ability to comprehend. They suggest the enormity of what has taken place and the need for people all around Australia and this country to come together to support the Australian people in their moment of crisis. 
I support the motion and I encourage New Zealanders to be as generous with their resources as they are with their sentiments at the moment to help Australia address this awful tragedy. 
Motion agreed to. 
Honourable members stood as a mark of respect.
Anderton Jim: Motions — Bushfires—Victoria Australia 
Anderton Jim: Motions — Bushfires—Victoria Australia 
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Hon JIM ANDERTON (Leader—Progressive) 
: 
 The Progressive Party joins parliamentary colleagues and all New Zealanders in the thoughts already expressed and in sending our sympathies to our brothers and sisters in Victoria as they deal with this blaze and the destruction it has caused. Melbourne has experienced one of the biggest most destructive fires in recent history anywhere in the world. The destruction is not over yet nor is the loss. When we look at the pictures of crumpled houses reduced to ashes we can only imagine the trauma suffered. When we look at scenes of exhaustion and the traumatised faces of firefighters and families we are compelled to share their grief. We send our best wishes as we imagine the rebuilding of homes and lives and communities that lie ahead. One thing we New Zealanders know about our brothers and sisters across the Tasman is that they are people of enormous courage. Victorian families will need all that Aussie dauntlessness now and in the months ahead. 
I am proud that New Zealanders are doing their bit to pitch in and we support the Prime Minister’s resolutions on this matter. I remember the heroic New Zealand firefighters who fought alongside some fantastically brave Australians in the 2006 bushfires. Some of them are going back yet again. For Australia the toll caused by the inferno is as shocking as the 9/11 tragedy in America—if one compares the size of the populations. It is all the more bitter irony that the fire is blazing while floods drench north Queensland. Many homes have been lost many lives have been lost many lives have been shattered and many families have lost everything. So I say to Australia and Australians that we in New Zealand wish them well in the face of this crisis with the assurance that we stand with them in any way we possibly can.
Turia Tariana: Motions — Bushfires—Victoria Australia 
Turia Tariana: Motions — Bushfires—Victoria Australia 
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Hon TARIANA TURIA (Co-Leader—Maori Party) 
: 
 The Maori Party joins with the House in expressing our deepest sympathies to the Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd and the families and communities throughout Australia that have suffered the catastrophe of the wild fires that have ravaged Victoria. A crisis of such proportion for our neighbours is a crisis that all New Zealanders will connect to. We make that connection knowing full well that so many of our w’anau have loved ones living in Melbourne—children and mokopuna who may well have been placed at great risk of tragic loss of lives and homes as the merciless fire has raged on. We can only express our profound and heartfelt grief for all those families who are for ever scarred by this bushfire disaster. We support the role that this Government and this country will play in supporting Australia.
Hide Rodney: Motions — Bushfires—Victoria Australia 
Hide Rodney: Motions — Bushfires—Victoria Australia 
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Hon RODNEY HIDE (Leader—ACT) 
: 
 On behalf of the ACT Party I rise to support the motion. I join Parliament and all New Zealanders in offering our heartfelt sympathy and condolences to our brothers and sisters in Australia. What we are witnessing on our television screens and in our newspapers is hell on Earth. It is hard to imagine a graver and more serious tragedy being unleashed on our neighbours and friends. The ACT Party supports the initiative of the Government and it supports New Zealanders from one end of this great country to the other in their pledge of support. It is terrifying to think that it appears that this hell on Earth is the work of arsonists. We can only hope that that evil is brought to book with the full force of the law and that the arsonists get their just desserts. Thank you.
Norman Russel William: Motions — Bushfires—Victoria Australia 
Norman Russel William: Motions — Bushfires—Victoria Australia 
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Dr RUSSEL NORMAN (Co-Leader—Green) 
: 
 The Green Party of Aotearoa / New Zealand sends its sympathy and condolences to those who have lost loved ones in the tragic bushfires in Australia. We also support the offer made by the Prime Minister to send firefighters to assist. We respectfully note the debate that is under way in Australia as to the role of climate change in these tragic fires. The Green Party stands in support of the Government motion and of the Government’s actions.
Goff Phil: Motions — Bushfires—Victoria Australia 
Goff Phil: Motions — Bushfires—Victoria Australia 
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Hon PHIL GOFF (Leader of the Opposition) 
: 
 As the leader of the Labour Party I wish to join with I believe all other members of this House and indeed all New Zealanders in expressing our condolences to the families of some 173 people who are now confirmed as dead in the fires in Victoria Australia. This is a huge human tragedy and I think that as New Zealanders all of our hearts go out to those who have lost loved ones and to the many others who have lost their homes and their personal possessions. I think something in excess of 700 homes have been destroyed in the fires. We can talk about the statistics but the photographs on the front page of the  
Dominion Post 
 this morning show the human tragedy behind those statistics. 
 New Zealand and Australia have a renowned competitiveness on the sports field—it is no holds barred no prisoners taken—but I think this is a time to remind ourselves that our family and our personal links with Australia and Australians are closer than those with any other country in the world. As New Zealanders we have enormous sympathy for those whose lives have been devastated by the fires. We want to help and I believe that the offer of our firefighters is a good first step. They went there in 1986 and they performed their role in a way that made New Zealanders proud. Our firefighters want to be there alongside their Australian mates to help them out. I support the district health boards that have offered places in the burns units and I certainly support the Government’s initiative and the initiative of individual New Zealanders in making financial assistance available to those who have suffered losses. 
The fires are still burning. I support the resolution before the House and any assistance that we are called upon to give or can offer to give as good neighbours to our friends in Australia.
Key John: Motions — Bushfires—Victoria Australia 
Key John: Motions — Bushfires—Victoria Australia 
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Hon JOHN KEY (Prime Minister) 
: 
 I seek the leave of the House to move a non-controversial motion with debate to express its sorrow at the devastating bushfires raging in the Australian state of Victoria. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Is there any objection? There is none. 
Hon JOHN KEY 
: I move 
 That this House express its deepest sympathy and condolences to the people of Victoria Australia who have suffered such devastation and tragic loss of life in the bushfires that have raged across the state in recent days and that it commend the men and women who are working to put out the fires and to assist the many victims of this tragedy.  
On behalf of the Government and all New Zealanders I would like to offer my sincere sympathy to the people of Victoria Australia as they battle some of the most horrific bushfires in their nation’s history. Over the past days as we have seen the devastation unfolding on our television screens the enormity of what is happening has burned into our consciousness. At times like this the closeness and importance of the relationship between our two countries comes to the forefront. The outpouring of support from New Zealanders has been genuine and heartfelt. Throughout our relatively short history the Anzac partnership has remained strong. Whether on the sporting field in business or in the theatre of war we are partners. We are competitive certainly but at heart we are always friends. At times like this we realise just how special that bond with Australia is. 
On behalf of the New Zealand people the Government has offered 100 firefighters to assist the Australians who are already battling the blaze and Prime Minister Kevin Rudd has accepted. Since January 2003 there has been a formal agreement in place to facilitate this process because in the world of firefighting there are no borders between New Zealand and Australia. Our firefighters have always been there for Australia’s firefighters just as I am sure that they would be there for us if unthinkably we suffered such a great tragedy. Our Government has also pledged $500000 to a Red Cross Society fund that will go directly to help those injured or left homeless by the bushfires and that New Zealanders are already supporting in their thousands by telephone and bank donations. The Red Cross Society will take no administration fee. 
The suggestion that some of these fires have been deliberately lit defies belief and magnifies the tragedy of the situation. If words can convey our message to Australia we say this: in the times of greatest need New Zealanders look across the Tasman for support and we immediately find it—our relationship is like no other—and at this time we stand shoulder to shoulder with Australians to battle the blaze that will be marked forever in the history of their great nation. Kia kaha.
Criminal Investigations (Bodily Samples) Amendment Bill — New Zealand Bill of Rights Act Compliance 
Criminal Investigations (Bodily Samples) Amendment Bill — New Zealand Bill of Rights Act Compliance 
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Criminal Investigations (Bodily Samples) Amendment Bill 
New Zealand Bill of Rights Act Compliance 
Hon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON (Attorney-General) 
: 
 I hereby present a report under the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act 1990 on the Criminal Investigations (Bodily Samples) Amendment Bill. This report is made pursuant to section 7 of the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act 1990 and Standing Order 261. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Rick Barker) 
: This paper is published under the authority of the House.
Urgency 
Urgency 
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Urgency 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I move  
That urgency be accorded the introduction and first reading of the Taxation (Business Tax Measures) Bill the Gangs and Organised Crime Bill the Criminal Investigations (Bodily Samples) Amendment Bill and the Sentencing (Offender Levy) Amendment Bill. 
 These bills are all part of the Government’s 100-day programme. These matters were of prominence for members of this Government during the election campaign so it is a matter of ensuring that we honour the commitments made to New Zealanders that these bills would be introduced and sent to select committees within the first 100-day period. I appreciate that this means that some parties will not have the 3 days that are normally available to them to scrutinise the bills. 
Hon Steve Chadwick 
: Three minutes would be nice. 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE 
: Well we will do something about that. A number of the bills have been made available to spokespeople so that they can peruse what is in them. I think the measures that are in the bills have most certainly been very well signalled. 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That urgency be accorded. 
Ayes 69 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; Maori Party 5; United Future 1. 
Noes 53 
New Zealand Labour 43; Green Party 9; Progressive 1. 
Motion agreed to.
Points of Order — Bills—Availability 
Points of Order — Bills—Availability 
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Points of Order 
Bills—Availability 
Dr RUSSEL NORMAN (Co-Leader—Green) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I seek your assistance and support really. It has been indicated to us that a number of important bills are coming up for debate very shortly and I am becoming a bit concerned that members are getting into the habit of having to debate and vote on legislation before we have had a chance to properly digest it. I am seeking your support and am asking you to put some pressure on the Leader of the House to provide bills to us earlier than half an hour before we have to debate and vote on them. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I accept the concern expressed by the honourable member. There may be a chance to discuss that issue at the Business Committee today. I am aware that the Government recognises the concern of the member and I think steps will be taken to try to make sure that bills are available a little sooner.
Motions — Members of Parliament—Submission to Remuneration Authority 
Motions — Members of Parliament—Submission to Remuneration Authority 
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Motions 
Members of Parliament—Submission to Remuneration Authority 
JEANETTE FITZSIMONS (Co-Leader—Green) 
: 
 I seek leave to move without notice or debate a motion on MPs’ remuneration which has been advised to all party leaders. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Is there any objection? There is no objection. 
JEANETTE FITZSIMONS 
: I move  
That the members of this House recognising that in the current economic situation Government revenue is reduced many New Zealanders are losing their jobs or overtime and more Government spending is required to invest in job creation and income support agree to support a cross-party submission to the Remuneration Authority asking it to refrain from raising MPs’ salaries during the 2009 review and commit to revisiting this issue in 2010. 
Motion agreed to.
Speaker’s Statements — Speaker’s Procession—New Route 
Speaker’s Statements — Speaker’s Procession—New Route 
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Speaker’s Statements 
Speaker’s Procession—New Route 
Mr SPEAKER 
: From the next sitting day I intend to make a change to the Speaker’s procession. In order that this longstanding parliamentary tradition may be more accessible to the public the procession at 2 p.m. each sitting day will move south along the Speaker’s corridor from the Speaker’s office into the Parliament House foyer turn right into the lobby through the double doors and enter the House through the visitors’ door past the Bar of the House. The Serjeant-at-Arms will take up a position at the end of the Table ready to lay the Mace on the Table and the Speaker will take the Chair via the Government side of the Table. 
The new route for the Speaker’s procession will take no longer than the previous one but it will be in view of the public. Members will be held back momentarily in the Parliament House foyer and at the visitors’ door entrance while the procession passes but will be able to join the tail of the procession to enter the Chamber after the Speaker before the doors are closed for prayers. The doors to the Ayes and Noes lobbies and the Ministers’ and Speaker’s doors will be closed at 2 p.m. when the Serjeant-at-Arms announces the Speaker’s arrival in the House as is the current practice. This will ensure that members do not impede the Speaker moving through the Chamber to the Chair. 
These new arrangements for the procession will apply only at 2 p.m. each sitting day. At all other times the presiding officers will enter and leave the Chamber through the Speaker’s door. For members’ information I will make a copy of this announcement available in members’ bill boxes. 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Labour) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. Perhaps in order to ensure the dignity of your office you will be making it clear that you will not be available for questions from the media during that procession. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I thank the honourable member for that point.
Barker Rick: Criminal Investigations (Bodily Samples) Amendment Bill — New Zealand Bill of Rights Act Compliance 
Barker Rick: Criminal Investigations (Bodily Samples) Amendment Bill — New Zealand Bill of Rights Act Compliance 
[Volume:652;Page:1076] 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Rick Barker) 
: This paper is published under the authority of the House.
Vote: Freedom Camping Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Freedom Camping Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:675;Page:20673] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 66 
New Zealand National 57; ACT New Zealand 5; Maori Party 3; United Future 1. 
Noes 53 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 9; Progressive 1; Independent: Carter C. 
Amendments agreed to.
Barker Rick: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Barker Rick: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:675;Page:21103] 
Hon RICK BARKER (Senior Whip—Labour) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I would like you to expand on your rulings a little bit. I accept that it is your decision and yours alone but it seems to me that if you are going to rule out an amendment on the basis that it differs from what was agreed at the second reading then it appears to me that the Committee can accept only amendments that are consistent with and agreeable at the second reading. Therefore it does tend to restrict the ability of the Committee of the whole House to amend the bill when it comes to the Committee stage. 
I would have thought that the second reading was a time when the House considered the report of the select committee when it considered the bill as amended and once that is done it comes to the Committee and the Committee itself can then make further amendments. I do not know that all the amendments have to be agreeable on the second reading. Surely if that were the case it would say so quite clearly in the Standing Orders and I do not recall that it does. It could be that an amendment is ruled out because it is inconsistent with a previous decision of the Committee. If that was the case then I would accept your ruling immediately but you have made a different ruling. You have said that it is inconsistent with the principles of the bill at the second reading. 
The second reading has been and gone. It is now for the Committee of the whole House to consider the matter as the bill stands. Therefore I think the Committee is at liberty to amend the bill quite freely. I accept that the amendment cannot be inconsistent with the principles of the bill but you have ruled quite differently from that. I would like you to reflect on that because I think you are setting the Committee into new territory here. 
I would like you to expand on your decision because I do not think it is particularly good practice simply to bring down a decision without an explanation. You have given us your decision and you have given us a reason but it is not an explanation. I think you should give the Committee an explanation as to why you have ruled it out as a result of the second reading which is different from the Committee of the whole House. I would appreciate your very considered ruling Mr Chairperson. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I thank the Hon Rick Barker for his considered views. I make the point to him that at the second reading the House agreed to the principle of voluntary membership of students associations. So any amendments that would directly overturn that principle are not in order. One can turn to Speaker’s ruling 112/6: “Any clause is out of order which is—… (4) In conflict with the provisions of the bill.” In the second reading the House agreed to the principle of voluntary membership of students associations. So I will report this bill without amendment presently.
Goudie Sandra: Employment Relations (Secret Ballot for Strikes) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Goudie Sandra: Employment Relations (Secret Ballot for Strikes) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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SANDRA GOUDIE (National—Coromandel) 
: 
 The first thing I would like to do is commend Tau Henare for bringing the Employment Relations (Secret Ballot for Strikes) Amendment Bill to the Committee. In speaking to clause 3 I say that the fantastic advantage of this amendment is that we further enhance protection for workers. Yes! That is absolutely critical. I think this is a brilliant member’s bill. Tau Henare should be congratulated. I know that workers will appreciate the fact that we are looking after their interests and further enhancing their protection by way of this bill.
Vote: Employment Relations (Secret Ballot for Strikes) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Employment Relations (Secret Ballot for Strikes) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 63 
New Zealand National 57; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Noes 56 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 8; Maori Party 3; Progressive 1; Mana 1; Independent: Carter C. 
Motion agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 195 in the name of the Hon Tau Henare to clause 2 be agreed to.
Goodhew Jo: Employment Relations (Secret Ballot for Strikes) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Goodhew Jo: Employment Relations (Secret Ballot for Strikes) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:675;Page:21122] 
JO GOODHEW (Junior Whip—National) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Vote: Employment Relations (Secret Ballot for Strikes) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Employment Relations (Secret Ballot for Strikes) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:675;Page:21119] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That clause 1 be agreed to. 
Ayes 63 
New Zealand National 57; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Noes 56 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 8; Maori Party 3; Progressive 1; Mana 1; Independent: Carter C. 
Clause 1 agreed to.
Bennett Paula: Amended Answers to Oral Questions — Question No. 2 to Minister 
Bennett Paula: Amended Answers to Oral Questions — Question No. 2 to Minister 
[Volume:675;Page:21129] 
Hon PAULA BENNETT (Minister for Social Development and Employment) 
: 
 I seek leave to correct a figure I gave earlier today in question time. 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought for that purpose. Is there any objection? There is no objection. 
Hon PAULA BENNETT 
: My officials gave me the figure of $25.9 million for funding the Growing Up in New Zealand longitudinal study. They have since informed me of their mistake. The total funding figure should have been $23.3 million and I would like to correct that.
Upston Louise: Employment Relations (Secret Ballot for Strikes) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Upston Louise: Employment Relations (Secret Ballot for Strikes) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:675;Page:21119] 
LOUISE UPSTON (National—Taupo) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Hipkins Chris: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Hipkins Chris: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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CHRIS HIPKINS (Labour—Rimutaka) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. It is a new point of order. I seek the leave for the Committee to vote again on clause 2 including voting on a handwritten amendment in my name to change clause 2 to delay the commencement from 2012 to 2013. [ 
Interruption 
] 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Any member is entitled to seek the leave of the Committee and the member is doing duly that. Is there any objection to that course of action being taken? There is. 
Bill to be reported without amendment presently.
Vote: Employment Relations (Secret Ballot for Strikes) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Employment Relations (Secret Ballot for Strikes) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 63 
New Zealand National 57; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Noes 56 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 8; Maori Party 3; Progressive 1; Mana 1; Independent: Carter C. 
Motion agreed to.
Henare Tau: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Henare Tau: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:675;Page:21102] 
Hon TAU HENARE (National) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
. 
A party vote was called for on the question that the question be now put.
Vote: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:675;Page:21090] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 55 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 8; Maori Party 3; Progressive 1; Independent: Carter C. 
Noes 63 
New Zealand National 57; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Sue Moroney to clause 9 be agreed to: 
to omit from subclause (1) “student” and substitute “person”.
Tremain Chris: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Tremain Chris: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:675;Page:21100] 
CHRIS TREMAIN (Senior Whip—National) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Vote: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:675;Page:21091] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 55 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 8; Maori Party 3; Progressive 1; Independent: Carter C. 
Noes 63 
New Zealand National 57; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Sue Moroney to clause 9 be agreed to: 
to omit from subclause (1)(b) “institution’s” and substitute “establishment’s”.
Vote: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:675;Page:21073] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Committee report progress. 
Ayes 63 
New Zealand National 57; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Noes 52 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 8; Progressive 1; Independent: Carter C. 
Motion agreed to. 
House resumed. 
Progress reported. 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: The question is that the report— 
Report adopted. 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: This bill is set down—
Vote: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:675;Page:21091] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 8; Maori Party 3; Mana 1; Progressive 1; Independent: Carter C. 
Noes 63 
New Zealand National 57; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Amendments not agreed to.
Goudie Sandra: Employment Relations (Secret Ballot for Strikes) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Goudie Sandra: Employment Relations (Secret Ballot for Strikes) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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SANDRA GOUDIE (National—Coromandel) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: I am sorely tempted but Darien Fenton assured me by sign language that she was going to speak on the title.
Vote: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 8; Maori Party 3; Progressive 1; Mana 1; Independent: Carter C. 
Noes 63 
New Zealand National 57; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to.
Flavell Te Ururoa: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Flavell Te Ururoa: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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TE URUROA FLAVELL (Whip—Maori Party) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. Just listening to my colleague Mr Locke with regard to the votes for the Mana Party and bearing in mind that the Mana Party has not voted for some time and Mr Locke is exercising that vote I am just checking whether that is right—especially in respect of this bill because we did not have any discussion earlier. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: I will just ask the Green member who holds the proxy for the Mana Party I understand. Is that correct? 
Keith Locke 
: Yes I have just received a communication that we are. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: The vote is in order. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Grant Robertson to clause 9 be agreed to: 
to insert in subclause (2)(a) “or 31 December 2015 whichever comes later” after “enrolment”.
King Colin: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
King Colin: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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COLIN KING (National—Kaikoura) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: No I will hear about the thesis from Grant Robertson.
Vote: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 8; Maori Party 3; Progressive 1; Mana 1; Independent: Carter C. 
Noes 63 
New Zealand National 57; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Grant Robertson to clause 9 be agreed to: 
to add the following subclauses: 
(3)Despite sections 229A to 229CA information must be provided by the institution to both prospective and current students about any student association at the institution for the purpose of informing the student about joining the association. 
(4)The type of information referred to in subsection (3) includes— 
(a)the services the association provides members: 
(b)the services the association provides non-members: 
(c)the fees and levies which apply to joining an association: 
(d)the process of electing representatives of the association.
Mallard Trevor: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Mallard Trevor: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I seek the leave of the House for the further Committee stage of the Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill to be set down to be taken subsequent to the debate on the Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill today with no debate. 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Are we all clear? Leave is sought for that purpose. Is there any objection? There is objection.
Vote: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 8; Maori Party 3; Progressive 1; Mana 1; Independent: Carter C. 
Noes 63 
New Zealand National 57; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Grant Robertson to clause 9 be agreed to: 
to add the following subclause: 
(3)The institution is to provide its student association with the following details of students for whom any membership fee of the kind prescribed in section 229CA(1) is currently collected from— 
(a)the student’s full name; and 
(b)the student’s contact address; and 
(c)the student’s contact phone number; and 
(d)the student’s email address.
Tisch Lindsay: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Tisch Lindsay: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: The process here is that I have to put down first that the Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill be set for consideration on the next sitting day. That is first process then I can accept the seeking of leave. What we have done is adopt the report; that motion has been put. The next stage means that it cannot be debated today so I am putting it down for further consideration on the next sitting day as Standing Order 177(1) states. The member is seeking leave to depart from that. I am prepared to put that question to the House but first of all I have to say that the bill is set down for further consideration on the next sitting day.
Robertson H V Ross: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Robertson H V Ross: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I remind members that there are to be no comments at all during the taking of a vote. It can be seen as intimidation which means that it can appear as a breach of privilege.
Barker Rick: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Barker Rick: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
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12. 
Hon RICK BARKER (Labour) 
 to the  
Minister of Veterans’ Affairs 
: When can veterans expect a full response from the Government in response to the Law Commission report titled  
A New Support Scheme for Veterans: A Report on the Review of the War Pensions Act 1954  
that was presented to Parliament on 1 June 2010? 
Hon JUDITH COLLINS (Minister of Veterans’ Affairs) 
: 
 When it is ready. For the member’s information it took 3 years for the Law Commission to present its report with 170 recommendations. It did not provide draft legislation and it did not provide costings. It could not even tell us how many veterans there are in the community. But as the Law Commission noted it has proposed significant changes and it would not be possible to implement the proposed changes quickly. 
Hon Rick Barker 
: Does the Minister disagree with the contention of the Law Commission that in some instances a veteran has less support by way of the War Pensions Act than a comparable ordinary citizen who is supported by ACC; how can this disadvantage to the veteran be justified and when is the Minister going to put right this injustice by implementing the provisions of the Law Commission report? 
Hon JUDITH COLLINS 
: The member is quite right. The situation is unfair and we are aware that 39 veterans if we were able to proceed with the Law Commission’s report would transfer to the veterans’ weekly income compensation. However I note that this anomaly is not new and the previous Government was in the situation where it could have rectified that. It is certainly one of the recommendations that we are taking very seriously. 
Hon Rick Barker 
: Does the Minister agree with the Law Commission on the establishment of an expert panel to develop prescriptive decision-making processes and guidance; if so why has the Minister disbanded the expert panel this year how does this demonstrate good faith to the veteran community and if the Minister disagrees with having an expert panel why? 
Hon JUDITH COLLINS 
: Because one of the proposals is that I put forward another expert panel which will be able to assist us in a much greater way. The fact is that this Government brought in the expert panel. The previous Government promised it; we brought it in. It has now fulfilled its requirements and we wish to have another one that will better meet the needs of veterans. But after 9 long years of the Labour Government I think we have made a lot of progress. 
Hon Rick Barker 
: Is it correct that the delay in responding to the Law Commission report on the review of the War Pensions Act is because of the cost to the Crown which in reality means a financial loss to the veteran community and how can this be justified as being fair to veterans? 
Hon JUDITH COLLINS 
: No.
Wagner Nicky: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Wagner Nicky: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
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9. 
NICKY WAGNER (National) 
 to the  
Minister of Health 
: What steps has the Government taken to improve outpatient and other health services to the people of Canterbury following the earthquakes? 
Hon TONY RYALL (Minister of Health) 
: 
 The district health board’s earthquake recovery plan has identified a need to increase short to medium term medical bed capacity and to relocate most components of the general medical service back on to the Christchurch Hospital site. The Government is announcing this afternoon that we have fast-tracked approval of $15 million in capital funding to relocate the outpatients facility and the acute medical assessment unit. This will enable the district health board to achieve shorter waiting times to meet the growth in outpatient demand to improve medical team efficiency and to improve staff satisfaction and morale. Both of these projects will be completed in time to ensure that the new facilities are available for the 2012 winter peak demand. 
Nicky Wagner 
: What other support has the Government given to the Canterbury District Health Board to manage the impact of the earthquakes? 
Hon TONY RYALL 
: The staff of the Canterbury District Health Board have simply done an outstanding job of providing good-quality services to the people of their community in the most difficult of times and circumstances. I advise the member that in addition to the $15 million for the new outpatient facility and acute medical assessment unit in June this year the Government pledged a special payment of up to $16 million to the district health board to assist with earthquake-related service costs for the 2010-11 financial year. This $16 million is in addition to the new funding for buildings and facilities. The Government has also made it clear that further special payments to the district health board over the next couple of years can be expected to cover ongoing extra costs as a result of the earthquake to help the people of the district health board get the best possible services for the people of Canterbury.
Henare Tau: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Henare Tau: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
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Hon TAU HENARE (National) 
: 
 My question is to the Minister— 
Chris Hipkins 
: Dead man walking! 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I want to hear the question. 
Hon TAU HENARE 
: It is better being 40 on National’s list— 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Order! 
Hon TAU HENARE 
: —than 15 on their list.  
Mr SPEAKER 
: The member will resume his seat right now. I am very tempted to move straight on to question No. 8 because the member wilfully ignored the fact I was on my feet. The only reason why I am not is that there was a fairly provocative interjection. But let me warn the member that that will not work again. The Hon Tau Henare question—[ 
Interruption 
] The Hon Trevor Mallard on this occasion is not being particularly helpful. I call the Hon Tau Henare question No. 7—[ 
Interruption 
] No the member will just ask his question.
Roy Heather: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Roy Heather: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Hon HEATHER ROY (ACT) 
: 
 I move  
That the Committee report progress.
Curran Clare: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Curran Clare: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
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1. 
CLARE CURRAN (Labour—Dunedin South) 
 to the  
Chairperson of the Transport and Industrial Relations Committee 
: Has he requested any written submissions on the petition of George Laird signed by nearly 14000 people calling the Government to retain the Hillside and Woburn workshops? 
DAVID BENNETT (Chairperson of the Transport and Industrial Relations Committee) 
: 
 I have not requested any written submissions on this petition. 
Clare Curran 
: Did he as chair put a motion to the committee that a submission be called for from the petitioner and did he rule that Michael Woodhouse voted against it? 
Mr SPEAKER 
: What the member may have done as chair within the committee is a matter for the committee and it is not in order for the member to be questioned on that. The workings of the committee are not matters that the member can be questioned on in the House.
Vote: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 54 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 8; Maori Party 3; Progressive 1. 
Noes 63 
New Zealand National 57; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Kris Faafoi to clause 9 be agreed to: 
to omit from subclause (1) “This section applies to any student who on 1 January 2012” and substitute “This section will not apply to any student who on 1 January 2012”.
Upston Louise: Employment Relations (Secret Ballot for Strikes) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Upston Louise: Employment Relations (Secret Ballot for Strikes) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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LOUISE UPSTON (National—Taupo) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.