Henare PeeniHon PEENI HENARE (Minister for the Community and Voluntary Sector): Tēnā koe Mr Chair. All that baker needs to worry about is why his flat Christian party cake didn't rise. That's the biggest issue in his debate. That member goes on to talk about all the things that the National Party supposedly did to improve the lives of our people yet they still find themselves on that side of the House. What that tells us is actually there is a lot more work that needs to be done than just simply setting targets. It actually takes work to do that.One of the biggest things that we've heard in the time we became Government was clients saying that the biggest hurdle to them finding work was a system and a service that did not cater for them. It actually used more stick than carrot—more stick than carrot. Guess what? Some of those scabs have been exposed from the last Government. Some of those supposedly good things have been exposed. All of a sudden benefit fraud numbers and the benefit fraud practices have been exposed. Who was in charge when that was made? That side of the House—that's exactly right. So that side are saying that only some small number of the Welfare Expert Advisory Group (WEAG) report—actually no. If they read the papers properly instead of cherry-picking they'll find that before the WEAG report came out 15 recommendations were already under way. The work was being done in that space but we know that it's going to take time. It takes some time and effort to unwind the practices that the former Government put in place and that's a reality. Some of those ways we can change the practice and the service that our people receive from a Government institution is a particular service that I think the Minister for Social Development is doing well and that is to make sure that the services that our people receive actually reflect who they are. There is a kaupapa called Te Pae Tata one that actually brings a stronger Māori focus to the work that the Ministry of Social Development are doing. We know the numbers in this space. We know that Māori are disproportionately represented in benefits statistics and unemployment statistics. So therefore it's important and Pūao-te-ata-tū all the way back in 1987 and '88 recognised this. The Government needed a workforce that reflected the people they were serving. I'll repeat that: the Government needed a workforce and practice that reflected the people they were.So Te Pae Tata is definitely a move in the right direction. If that side of the House had heard how many of those beneficiaries have explained their interaction with their agency with the agency of the Ministry of Social Development they will know that there were serious problems with the service that they receive. This Government set out right from the beginning to change the culture of the Ministry of Social Development. We did that with simple things. That side might laugh but actually the people matter. Simple things like the opportunity to drink water access to the bathroom an area that will allow tamariki who don't want to be in there who find themselves carried to the desk and have to sit still in front of a case manager an area to allow those tamariki to be tamariki. They sound like novel ideas to that side of the House but to us that is a particular change in the culture of the way we serve our people.So we are excited on the side of the House. The Ministry of Social Development is only one part of this particular debate. There are so many others; housing. That side of the House is trying to say that our housing policies aren't up to the mark. Well actually it's really easy given that that side of the House set a really low bar. It was really easy to say actually we can do more. The member Alfred Ngaro who sat down before I stood to take the call he said that Actually the Tāmaki Regeneration Company was the way forward for us to do that". Yes there are some good parts of it. I'll admit to that. But what he didn't say was who actually owned the Tāmaki Regeneration Company. He stated that it wasn't a sell-off; it was a transfer. Well one need only look at the ownership model of the Tāmaki Regeneration Company and the answer sits right there.We are excited on the side of the House. This is only the beginning because what we know and that side knows too from the internal polling: we're here to stay—we are here to stay—[Interruption]—and there's so much more work that we have to get done to make sure that we unwind all of the negative policies from the last Government and they might laugh now but their internal polling tells them; they know it."