McKee Nicole; Salesa JennyNICOLE McKEE (ACT): Thank you Mr Chair. My question again to the Minister: Minister do you think that $45 million spent for advice and promotion services from the Human Rights Commission Independent Police Conduct Authority the Law Commission and the protective judiciary service from the Public Trust are more deserving of funding when 96 percent of those 104190 eligible victimisations reported to police each year did not receive a grant? The Ministry of Justice's own Budget bid document said—and I'm going to give the full quote that my colleague Mr Goldsmith gave earlier—victims are being deliberately excluded from accessing support they are entitled to receive. If this is widely known it would erode public confidence and undermine the stated ethos of access to justice." Also the Wellbeing Budget summary of initiatives states: "Financial grants are a simple and effective way of easing the burden of victimisation by paying for unexpected costs." Does the Minister truly believe that they are simple and effective; and if so why do so few victims actually receive a grant? And lastly why do so few victims actually receive financial support either through these organisations that have been set up to assist victims or through reparations from offenders? Thank you.Hon KIRITAPU ALLAN (Minister of Justice): Thank you to the member Nicole McKee. And I apologise sorry to the member Paul Goldsmith because I did omit to answer this question and it is a really important one. The demand for the victims assistance scheme in 2015 and 2016 led to an overspend of the appropriation. I think that that's been well documented. And actually I do also applaud the Ministry of Justice for what the member Paul Goldsmith described as baldness in their assessment. It was a very bald and therefore bold I think assessment that in order to manage that overspend they took decisions to decrease the information available for that victim support. That's something of course that we I think collectively find to be abhorrent which is why in Budget 2022 you saw a shift in the way that this Government approached that particular scheme and ensured that there was an uplift and a direct uplift. But I'll be very clear that the demand for the victims advice assistance scheme—it was back in 2015 and 2016 which is when that policy to decrease the amount of discussion about that scheme was enacted and therefore it was something that we've turned around on its head making sure that victims do indeed have the support that they require. That's something that I've always made very clear as the Minister of Justice: victims are first and foremost at the forefront of my mind.I want to come back though because it does link back to that Victims Operating Model. That was where the lion's share of the spend has gone because we want to ensure that across the whole system—and the member is just as aware as I am; the whole system really in my view and the way that we deal with victims is very ad hoc and there are a lot of holes. I don't want to just chuck all of our money in the same thing that has worked sometimes but there's also the feedback that we get that it misses a lot. We need to make sure that the system from the day that that person has a harm incurred upon them and the day that they become a victim—that at every stage of the process there is support available and the right support which is why again that's where that lion's share of that Budget 2022 $45.7 million has gone. I think that that responds to all of the questions that I have before me at the moment.CHAIRPERSON (Hon Jenny Salesa): I call on Chris Penk. And I understand that the agreement prior is that this session ends at 4.07 p.m. so just keep that in mind."