Clendon David; Tisch LindsayDAVID CLENDON (Green): This is a good bill. As my colleague Mr Coates has said the Greens will be supporting it. It does some sensible things. It enables individual members of the public businesses and Government agencies to communicate with each other online where that is appropriate and helpful for all parties concerned. I think it is important though that this bill does get a fairly rigorous look from the Government Administration Committee and I am sure it will. It is not a committee that I have ever sat on but I have no reason to doubt that it will do anything but a good job.There are aspects to this bill that are not worrying but that are potentially—I just think there are matters in it particularly some assumptions that seem to sit within the bill not least of all about people's access to digital tools. We heard the word ubiquitous" from Mr Hudson. In our lives yes it is. It is hard to get away from the wretched devices—the electronic leash as I often call them—in fact. It is expected that one will answer that email at 11.30 at night or 5.30 in the morning. So be it. That is what we sign up for.We also have to recognise though—and again Mr Coates my colleague mentioned it—the digital divide. I have seen that up fairly close and personal in Northland. There is a wonderful programme called Computers in Homes whereby parents come into the schools and learn how to use a computer mostly for the first time. At the completion of a course and if they have shown some commitment they are gifted a computer and a modem and they are assisted to get the things set up and assisted with an internet connection with a person to support them in those first few months or if anything goes wrong the purpose being—well two purposes really—to engage parents in their children's education and to make sure that when kids go home from school there is a computer in the home to assist them with their study and their work. It is a great programme but it does demonstrate the fact that a need for it exists. It proves that low-income homes particularly and again elderly people—we cannot just assume that that facility is available.Rural areas are often compromised in terms of internet access by often very poor connectivity. I was speaking not so long ago to a business in the Hokianga—an art gallery essentially—wanting to sell artwork online. For that you need a good fast high-quality connection which they simply did not have; therefore that particular aspect of the business was compromised.So we ought to be just a little bit thoughtful about any assumptions that any and everybody can use digital technology the point of that being that nothing in this bill as I read it suggests that the existing ways and means of communicating with Government agencies will be removed. Presumably one can continue to choose paper or fax or whatever it might be but I think it is important that we maintain that flexibility—that we maintain the whole suite of opportunities and mechanisms for people to engage with Government agencies in particular. Mr Dunne in presenting the bill made the point that New Zealand is at the forefront in many ways of this sort of technology. We are very willing to take it up but we also have to make sure that people do maintain the option and that nobody is disadvantaged by the move to digital forms.There are one or two points that I will make in my very few remaining minutes. In the explanatory note of the bill the point is made that statutory declarations enhance the integrity of an interaction—they do provide a level of security for these interactions—and that ways will be found to verify in alternative ways that a digital interaction is equally secure. I am slightly nervous about the fact that there are not some means identified. I understand that it is never smart to imbed technical solutions into legislation because they change and they evolve over time but I would like to see something a little bit more robust—perhaps some key principles around what that level of security might look like. I would like to see just a little bit more guidance as to how we will ensure that people's identities—because essentially that is what we are talking about—and personal information will not be lost or compromised in any way. Similarly with photographs and the use of making online photographs more accessible—all good stuff but let us just be aware of the security risks and ensure they are covered off. Thank you.The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch): I call Iain Lees-Galloway—5 minutes."