Leary Ingrid; Brown SimeonINGRID LEARY (Labour—Taieri): Thank you Madam Chair. Look I don't want to disagree with my very learned colleague the Hon Dr Duncan Webb but I do have a little bit of an issue with the word collection" and also "costs" actually and I wonder if the Minister can explain in the title why the word "collection" would be appropriate because when I think of the word "collection" it involves an active activity; it's about collecting; it is about doing something whereas my understanding of this bill is that the Crown is really a passive recipient of money that is being gained through other means—I mean certainly through the judicial process as Dr Webb has alluded to. So I just am not sure that the word "collection" is correct. It's possibly a little bit misleading because it implies that there is some kind of active activity happening that is going to justify a change in the Public Finance Act. And we must remember that the Public Finance Act is one of the key foundations of our financial system. It's not something we do lightly. So if we're going to have bills that change that principle Act I do think they need to be accurate.The other word that I actually have issues with as well is "costs" because "costs" implies that there is a measurable evidence base for the retaining rather than collecting of the money that is being accrued. And when I look at the cost recovery impact statement it definitely says that there is no evidence for that. And so trying to find what to call that would be something I'd like to ask the Minister. Is there a better word that basically describes what is happening? I don't think "cost" captures it. Perhaps the word "levy" has been used. "Levy" isn't accurate either because it is a fee and that was discussed in the speech and I'm sure we'll come to that in the relevant parts but I'm wondering actually if we just replace the word "costs" with "tax" because that's actually what is happening here.So although I haven't tabled an amendment I wonder if the Minister would consider changing the title to Public Finance (Fines Tax—Budget Measures) Amendment Bill. So we would take out the word "collection" because as I said there's no active collection going on and take out the word "costs". There isn't anything that can be evidenced numerically; it is a retention of some money and therefore in my mind the appropriate nomenclature for that would be "tax". So I do wonder if the Minister would please consider mine even though I am very sorry that I didn't manage to get time to table the amendment.Hon SIMEON BROWN (Minister of Local Government): Look I thought the member's question was very good in terms of why not use the word "tax" rather than "costs" and I'd like to explain to the House why the word "costs" is more appropriate. It costs the Government money to do activities and the activity that it is doing here is collecting fines on behalf of local authorities and other entities and that cost has increased over time. And so as part of good Government it's appropriate that we have a cost recovery model which ensures that the costs that it costs to run the service are recovered. And this bill is doing that—exactly that. And so I just sort of feel like in that last 30 seconds or a minute I've explained why the last six years have been such an appalling waste of money by that last Government. This Government is bringing back appropriate expenditure appropriate governance and appropriate cost recovery models. That is exactly what this bill is doing. And this small but important bill is another measure in terms of doing that so that we have better governance in New Zealand."