Upston Louise; Sepuloni CarmelHon LOUISE UPSTON (National—Taupō): I raise a point of order Madam Chairperson. Thank you Madam Chair. I raised a point of order half an hour ago about the two documents that were to be tabled. Only one of them has been tabled and I would like to know when the second one will be tabled.Hon CARMEL SEPULONI (Minister for Social Development): Speaking to the point of order there was only one report. I think that the member's confused because I said that in the executive summary of the report I was speaking to it refers to the advice that the former Minister received. So it's one report but advice to us as well as advice to the former Minister. Can I also state given it was online I actually didn't have to table it but I did it to be polite.Hon LOUISE UPSTON (National—Taupō): I appreciate you know this is more important because it is urgency and no one else gets the scrutiny of it.ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Poto Williams): Please carry on.Hon LOUISE UPSTON: So the Minister was talking about and referring to quoting from two official documents at length in attempting to answer questions that we had asked about numbers and referred on multiple occasions to the briefing to Anne Tolley and so that's why she offered actually to table the two documents and we are waiting still for one of them.CHAIRPERSON (Poto Williams): The Minister has said that it was just one document she was referring to and she's just shown me the section that she was referring to in the executive summary.Hon LOUISE UPSTON: I realise that but there were two documents.CHAIRPERSON (Poto Williams): Does the member know what the two documents were? If the Minister is saying there is one what is the other document that the member is seeking? What is the other document you're seeking?Hon LOUISE UPSTON: The advice to Minister Tolley in 2017.CHAIRPERSON (Poto Williams): Was that what the Minister said that she was tabling?Hon LOUISE UPSTON: Yes.Hon CARMEL SEPULONI (Minister for Social Development): Speaking to the point of order—Hon Louise Upston: Well just table it.CHAIRPERSON (Poto Williams): It's a point of order; it will be taken in silence.Hon CARMEL SEPULONI: This is the document and what I referred to was that within this document in the executive summary there is a statement—that I've actually highlighted in that member's version I tabled as well—that says in mid-2017 the then Minister for Social Development instructed the Ministry of Social Development to undertake research on the section. This request followed policy advice that she received and it's in there. Thank you very much.CHAIRPERSON (Poto Williams): That is the end of the matter; the document has been tabled. That is the end of the matter. I call the Hon—[Interruption]. Can we just stop it now please. I don't want the member to be walking around the Chamber back-chatting. That is not appropriate and it will lead the Chamber into disorder. The member knows better than to walk around the Chamber interjecting.Hon Louise Upston: It'd be good to answer the question Carmel.CHAIRPERSON (Poto Williams): Order! The member will stand withdraw and apologise.Hon Louise Upston: What for?CHAIRPERSON (Poto Williams): Because you are back-chatting the Chair and behaving in a disorderly—[Interruption]—and you're doing it right now. I'm standing on my feet. When I'm on my feet you will be silent. The member will stand withdraw and apologise.Hon Louise Upston: I apologise to the Chair.CHAIRPERSON (Poto Williams): And withdraw?Hon Louise Upston: I withdraw and apologise.CHAIRPERSON (Poto Williams): Thank you. I call the Hon Carmel Sepuloni.