Verrall AyeshaHon Dr AYESHA VERRALL (Labour): Thank you Madam Chair. I just want to echo the concerns of my colleague Chlöe Swarbrick in the fact that this legislation is going through under urgency before coming to some specific questions.The New Zealand people are done a disservice by this bill being passed under urgency. We understand that sometimes urgency is needed but certainly not in the passage of this bill where it is only seeking to deprive us of the opportunity to hear from those who might have a contrary view to the Government. One of the challenges is without the opportunity to go into this in depth at select committee really this is all we get in terms of hearing about what is intended by the bill.I asked the Minister earlier a series of questions about the purpose and I don't believe she has adequately answered them because what her amendment bill is changing is effectively repealing the 2022 amendment. And yet there are changes to the purpose statement that alter the interpretation of other parts of the original Act from 1990. That includes the marketing—because the statement about marketing has changed—and it includes the statement about smoke-free environments because of the change in language and the weakened language around second-hand smoke.This question has not been answered because that is hugely important. We take at face value the Minister's comments about wanting to keep the regime that was in place and was making such good progress. But how can we take those statements as true if the purpose of the bill of all the other things which—like marketing and environments—are being changed? This is very very confusing and I believe she needs to set the record straight on whether this is a narrow repeal of what was done in 2022 or if a much wider change to New Zealand smoke-free legislation is actually what is intended here.I want to go to the matter of the illicit market. Those of us who are in the Health Committee have been discussing the issues of illicit markets when it comes to pseudoephedrine and no doubt these issues will be coming up when we talk about firearms reform in this House as well. What I want to know from the Minister is: what advice did she receive about the size of the illicit market in New Zealand? Because New Zealand has particular characteristics. The excise tax increases in New Zealand that have been successful at bringing down smoking rates means that we have some of the highest priced cigarettes in the world and therefore you'd think we would have the biggest illicit market in the world. I have heard multiple claims during this debate about the illicit market about how the 2022 amendment would support the gangs. I want to know what reasons the Minister has for believing that they are true and what advice she received about the illicit market.I'm also interested to know about how she assesses efforts to reduce the illicit market done through the hard-working people in the New Zealand Customs Service and if she has any views on whether or not their initiatives funded through Budget 2022 to reduce the import of tobacco—about the effectiveness of those initiatives.So to summarise before I resume my seat I believe there are still outstanding questions relating to the purpose of this bill when it comes to marketing and smoke-free environments. And secondly I have questions about the advice the Minister has received on illicit markets.