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Mark Ron: Points of Order — Questions for Written Answer—Replies 
Mark Ron: Points of Order — Questions for Written Answer—Replies 
[Volume:624;Page:19354] 
RON MARK (NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. Once again the issue that has been raised is one that I raised personally with the previous Speaker the Rt Hon Jonathan Hunt about this very Minister. Following my correspondence in the subsequent correspondence that I received back from the previous Speaker we in New Zealand First were assured that all possible steps had been taken. Can you Madam Speaker on behalf of Parliament and in particular of the Opposition parties advise us as to what powers you have as the Speaker of this House and the protector of MPs to ensure that reluctant lazy Ministers who do not comply with the Standing Orders are brought to account. If there is a shortfall in the Standing Orders such that they do not assist you can you advise us of the amendments that would be necessary so we could progress the issue by making such amendments to the Standing Orders. Continued performances such as this make a mockery of the House the democratic system and the Minister himself—although he seems to be happy to live with that. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: If the member would like to put his complaint in writing to me I will look at it investigate it and get back to him as quickly as possible.
Brown Peter: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Procedure Referral to Health Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled  Speaker Recalled In Committee Procedure 
Brown Peter: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Procedure Referral to Health Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled  Speaker Recalled In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:613;Page:10001] 
PETER BROWN (Senior Whip—NZ First) 
: 
 I seek leave for my colleague Jim Peters to make a contribution. Mr Peters is an ex-headmaster. Up until I spoke which was only a few moments ago nobody had touched on enforcement officers. Nobody had raised the words even once in the course of this whole debate. My colleague has been seeking the call to talk about the effect of enforcement officers with cameras and videos going into schools. I believe that is a very important point. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Thank you Mr Brown. Is there any objection to that course of action being taken? There is.
Vote: Crimes Amendment Bill (No 2) — In Committee Third Reading 
Vote: Crimes Amendment Bill (No 2) — In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:625;Page:20061] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 46 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 6. 
Noes 71 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2; Maori Party 1. 
Ayes 46 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 6. 
Noes 71 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2; Maori Party 1. 
Amendment not agreed to.Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Tony Ryall to clause 7 be agreed to: 
to omit from subsection (3) of section 132 the expression “10 years” and substitute the expression “12 years”. 
A party vote was called for on the question That the amendment be agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Tony Ryall to clause 7 be agreed to: 
to omit from subsection (1) of section 134 the expression “10 years” and substitute the expression “12 years”.
Prebble Richard: Points of Order — Written Questions 
Prebble Richard: Points of Order — Written Questions 
[Volume:611;Page:8040] 
Hon RICHARD PREBBLE (Leader—ACT NZ) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. My point of order also involves the Prime Minister and it relates to Standing Order 375 “Delivery of replies to questions for written answer”. I put two questions down to the Prime Minister on 13 August: written questions Nos 8174 and 8215. My office has contacted the Prime Minister’s office repeatedly. Those answers were due on the 21st and we still have not had a reply. I think that when the Prime Minister does return it would be a good idea for you to speak to her and tell her that she is required to answer written questions. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I will contact her office today.
Clark Helen: Ministerial Statements — Iraq—New Zealand Assistance 
Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume 
Clark Helen: Ministerial Statements — Iraq—New Zealand Assistance 
[Sitting date: 10 June 2003. Volume:609;Page:6046. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Rt Hon HELEN CLARK (Prime Minister) 
: 
 One thing that everyone in the House will agree with is wishing those who are going offshore to both Iraq and Afghanistan and to Operation Enduring Freedom and other theatres all the best. As the leader of United Future said they go in the name of New Zealand and we hope with the good wishes of this House. 
I thank those who rose to the occasion and commented constructively about the deployments. I also acknowledge the bitter disappointment of the Opposition that it has actually happened. However this Government has always insisted on a proper authority for being in other people’s countries and that is why UN Resolution 1483 is so critical. That resolution which New Zealand lobbied and advocated for is a good resolution. It provides a very sound legal basis for those deployments and we did not move until we had that sound legal foundation. 
Also we were very keen to see as were Canada Norway the Netherlands and a lot of other countries that we worked with on this issue that those who came in to help at this point were not seen as occupying powers but could work with those who were in a practical way to make it better. That is what New Zealand excels at. It is going in in a practical way at the end of the conflict to bring some support to people who are in difficulty. We will do that and I know that the New Zealanders going offshore will do it with distinction.
Hereora Dave: Debate on Prime Minister’s Statement 
Hereora Dave: Debate on Prime Minister’s Statement 
[Volume:615;Page:10942] 
DAVE HEREORA (Labour) 
: 
 E tu ana ahau ki te mihi nui ki a tatou kei roto i tenei Whare Paremata.No reira tena ra tatou katoa. 
[ 
I rise to extend a huge greeting to us all in this House. Greetings to all of us 
.] 
I stand in support of the many comments made by my caucus colleagues particularly those of my Maori colleagues and also in support of the opening statement made by the Prime Minister. It is not often we have the opportunity to tautoko our record and I do believe it is important to place on the public record the Government’s accountability. 
Firstly I want to acknowledge my tipuna. I would like to bring them into my contribution; my tipuna who made up some of the pioneers of our nation. They had a dream a dream that led to opening the door of opportunity that encouraged peace and harmony. It was a dream that we as two peoples may live in good grace with each other so that when one falls the other will assist and when one needs help the other will be there in support. To this day the waiata and chants expressed on the pa continue to manifest those principles. I want to reassure my tipuna not to be disturbed because this Government will accelerate and progress those very same principles and will not compromise them. No reira e oku tipuna haere atu ra haere atu ra haere atu ra.Haere atu ra kei runga ki te Matua i te rangi.No reira moe mai moe mai moe mai ratou.A kua huri noa ki te hunga ora ki a koe te rangatira. 
[ 
Therefore to my ancestors go well travel on farewell.Go on to the Father in the sky. So to the ones who have passed on rest there sleep there slumber on. I turn now to the world of the living to you sir 
.] 
Maori have a place in this society. Who says we are privileged? What a lot of rot! What are these separate rights? We will always be the tangata whenua of this land in celebration as we evolve as a nation. Over 40000 more Maori are in work since 1999. Maori unemployment is at an all-time low. 
Debate interrupted.
Vote: Racing Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Vote: Racing Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:606;Page:3968] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 54 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 6; United Future 8. 
Noes 62 
Labour 52; Green Party 8; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 16 in the name of the Hon Mark Gosche to Part 2 be agreed to.
Power Simon: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Power Simon: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:610;Page:7652] 
11.  
SIMON POWER (NZ National—Rangitikei) 
 to the  
Minister of Defence 
: Does the composition of the New Zealand Defence Force and their current commitment to deployments allow them to offer assistance to Indonesia in the aftermath of yesterday’s bombing in Jakarta; if not why not? 
Hon MARK BURTON (Minister of Defence) 
: 
 Yes. 
Simon Power 
: In light of the bombing yesterday in Jakarta does he agree with the statement made by the Prime Minister that New Zealand exists in “an exceptionally benign strategic environment”; if so why? 
Hon MARK BURTON 
: The environment in which we exist is clearly one that is ever-changing. That is why this Government has a constant rolling response to that environment. That is why we have committed many millions of dollars to the security of New Zealand. 
Darren Hughes 
: On the issue of deployments by the New Zealand Defence Force what recent reports has he seen? 
Hon MARK BURTON 
: Although our Defence Force is currently engaged at the highest operational tempo for two generations it continues to receive international accolades such as the Australian Meritorious Unit Citation recently received by the RNZAF’s No. 3 Squadron which was also named Helicopter Squadron of the Year for its outstanding achievements in East Timor. It is unfortunate that Opposition members cannot share in celebrating those successes and congratulating our people on a job well done. 
Gordon Copeland 
: Has the Minister received or does he expect to receive any request for assistance from the Indonesian Government; if so what kind of assistance would he expect that to include? 
Hon MARK BURTON 
: No and no. 
Simon Power 
: Is the Minister currently taking any action to ensure that New Zealand’s defence forces are up to scratch for deployment in the event of such threats to the safety of New Zealanders in the Asia-Pacific region or will he simply continue with the Government’s existing policy described by the former Chief of Defence Force Air Marshal Carey Adamson as “penny-pinching” and “conducted on the run”? 
Hon MARK BURTON 
: Time does not permit me to give a fulsome answer but I may do so later. Let me say that unlike that member’s party which was in Government for 9 years this Government has a defence policy framework a force structure framework and a long-term development plan to put in place the acquisitions that for 9 long years—as that member’s own colleague said—it did not do when in Government.
Ryall Tony: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Ryall Tony: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:617;Page:12922] 
Hon TONY RYALL (National—Bay of Plenty) 
: 
 I seek leave to table the judgment of the Hon Justice Potter in a case where she calls on the Government to take urgent steps to deal with the delays of the Institute of Environmental Science and Research. 
Document by leave laid on the Table of the House.
Field Taito Phillip: Resource Management (Energy and Climate Change) Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Field Taito Phillip: Resource Management (Energy and Climate Change) Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:615;Page:11330] 
Hon TAITO PHILLIP FIELD (Minister of State) 
: 
 I know that members on the other side may think I am trying to close the debate down but I would like to make a contribution. I am supportive of the bill because contrary to the dinosaurs on the other side of the Chamber I believe that we do need to look at efficient energy. The whole South Pacific region climate change is a serious issue. I doubt that members appreciate that. We know about small island States. Most of Tuvalu a very low-lying island in the Pacific went underwater for over an hour last week. That could be attributed to the damage to our environment. 
Hon Ken Shirley 
: Absolute nonsense. 
Hon TAITO PHILLIP FIELD 
: A dinosaur like Ken Shirley wants to say “Nonsense” but the whole world acknowledges the effect of the burning of fossil fuels and the greenhouse effect on our climate as well as the pollution of the environment. The sort of air we breathe as a result of the ever-increasing amount of carbon dioxide that is coming out of exhaust pipes of various kinds of traffic including thousands of cars is very damaging not only to the environment but also to the health of people. These are very important issues and this bill goes some way towards getting local authorities to acknowledge the problem. 
If people want to put their heads in the sand and ignore it they can do that all they like but certainly in our South Pacific region these are very serious issues that people will have to confront in the near future. We could see low-lying islands in the Pacific totally disappear as a result of the effect of greenhouse gases. The points that have been made by the Minister are very valid in relation to Europe. It is acknowledging the problem and getting ahead in developing renewable energy and greater efficiency in the way energy is used and that is a lesson we need to learn from the Europeans. I do not accept the large industrial nations’ arguments that we can for ever continue to burn fossil fuel and ignore the consequences.
King Annette: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
King Annette: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:608;Page:5474] 
Hon ANNETTE KING (Minister of Health) 
: 
 I seek leave to table the  
National Business Review 
 which states that the National Party is facing a showdown over pharmacy law. 
Document by leave laid on the Table of the House.
Hunt Jonathan: Visitors — Delegation from National Assembly of Norway 
Hunt Jonathan: Visitors — Delegation from National Assembly of Norway 
[Volume:606;Page:3685] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I have much pleasure in informing the House that members of the Standing Committee on Transport and Communications from the National Assembly of Norway led by Mr Peter Lovik chairman of the committee are present in the gallery. I am sure that members would wish them to be welcomed.
Pettis Jill: Ngati Tuwharetoa (Bay of Plenty) Claims Settlement Bill — Second Reading 
Pettis Jill: Ngati Tuwharetoa (Bay of Plenty) Claims Settlement Bill — Second Reading 
[Volume:624;Page:19613] 
JILL PETTIS (Labour—Whanganui) 
: 
 I want to take a short call and acknowledge the second reading of this bill and the fact that it is at last making progress through the House. More important I want to acknowledge the tenacity of the people of Tuwharetoa in sticking with the job of progressing this legislation. I wanted to pay tribute to them very early in my short contribution. 
I had to smile wryly at Stephen Franks who made the ACT party’s contribution. It was all fluff and mirrors. If ACT were ever in a position to be in power in this country and fortunately we are comfortable in the knowledge that it will not be but if it were it would—[ 
Interruption 
] 
Simon Power 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. In the interests of assisting my colleague from Whanganui I must say we are finding it difficult to hear her. I am surprised at myself for saying it because that does not apply to Mrs Pettis very often but members from her side are barracking across the House and that is making her lucid words very difficult to comprehend. I ask that you allow Mrs Pettis to continue in a manner whereby we can hear the contribution she is making.
Smith Nick: Points of Order — Members’ Day—Rescheduling of Debate Parliament Building—Media Access Members’ Day—Rescheduling of Debate 
Smith Nick: Points of Order — Members’ Day—Rescheduling of Debate Parliament Building—Media Access Members’ Day—Rescheduling of Debate 
[Volume:624;Page:19713] 
Hon Dr NICK SMITH (National—Nelson) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. I am very concerned about the statement you have just made in respect of the points of order that I and my colleague John Carter have made. The leave applications we sought were perfectly within the Standing Orders. Of course there is a convention that we should not abuse those provisions but I find it quite ironic that when the Government abuses Standing Order 38 which is very explicit and was never intended as a mechanism for shutting down the House you refuse to make any negative comment at all. I would have let the matter rest if you had made even the comment that it was unwise for Dr Cullen to do as he did last evening. I ask you to reflect on the comment you have just made in respect of myself and Mr Carter when I am complying absolutely with the Standing Orders in terms of the points of order I am raising that suggested I am doing anything other than acting quite properly within the strict interpretation of the rules we are obliged to obey.
Business of Select Committees — Reporting Dates Membership 
Business of Select Committees — Reporting Dates Membership 
[Volume:607;Page:4189] 
Wednesday 19 March 2003 
Mr Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Prayers 
. 
Business of Select Committees 
Reporting Dates 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I seek leave for the time by which the Maori Affairs Committee must finally report the Te Whanau-a-Taupara Trust Empowering Amendment Bill to be extended to 30 April 2003. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Is there any objection to that course being followed? There appears to be none. 
Membership 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I seek leave for Sue Bradford to be a member of the Commerce Committee for the purposes of its consideration of the Status of Redundancy Payments Bill but without the right to vote on any question before the committee. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Is there any objection to that course being followed? There appears to be none. 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I seek leave for Larry Baldock to be a member of the Transport and Industrial Relations Committee for the purposes of its consideration of the Land Transport Management Bill but without the right to vote on any question before the committee. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Is there any objection to that course being followed? There appears to be none.
Carter John: Intellectual Disability (Compulsory Care and Rehabilitation) Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Carter John: Intellectual Disability (Compulsory Care and Rehabilitation) Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:612;Page:9582] 
JOHN CARTER (National—Northland) 
: 
 I want to take a call in order to ask the Minister to take a call with regard to clause 12 “Principles governing decisions affecting children and young persons”. 
Hon John Tamihere 
: I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. My point of order is with regard to Standing Order 35(1): “A party must inform the Speaker of—(b) the identity of its leader and other office holders”. We are led to believe that there has been a change in the leadership of one political party and we ask whether the Chair or the Speaker has been advised. Could you confirm that the leader of the National Party has changed this afternoon? I think members are entitled to know. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich) 
: That is not a point of order. 
JOHN CARTER 
: If Mr Tamihere is trying to be humorous he should learn how to be humorous. People like me can be humorous but some people cannot. 
The issue that concerns me is that when I look at clause 12 I think it is probably a take-off. Someone who is more familiar with the bill than I am may be able to help me. The structure in the clause is the same sort of structure we have with the Department of Child Youth and Family Services for example. I guess it is our consultation structure. I imagine that if the wording is not exactly the same it is probably similar to the wording we have in other legislation. 
I come back to the point I made earlier on in Part 1 about how we will provide services and facilities to make sure that consultation happens. If the Minister is going to be relying on the Department of Child Youth and Family Services for example to make sure that those consultations etc. take place with families whanau hapu and iwi then I have serious concerns. We all know both currently and indeed from history going back over a number of months and years that the service is not so flash. So the Minister might care to take a call to assure the Committee that she has in mind some other department organisation or system to provide the service set down here under clause 12. We want to be assured of that because as the Minister knows we are supporting this bill. 
Sitting suspended from 1 p.m. to 2 p.m. 
Debate interrupted.
Vote: Taxation (Annual Rates Venture Capital and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Taxation (Annual Rates Venture Capital and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:621;Page:16583] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand Labour 51; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 58 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; ACT New Zealand 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Amendment agreed to.
Vote: Resource Management (Aquaculture Moratorium Extension) Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Vote: Resource Management (Aquaculture Moratorium Extension) Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:616;Page:11663] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 71 
New Zealand Labour 52; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 49 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Motion agreed to.
Mapp Wayne: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Mapp Wayne: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:617;Page:13056] 
Dr WAYNE MAPP (National—North Shore) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. This question was directed of course to the Minister of Customs. Had I wanted to ask a question of the Minister of Foreign Affairs and Trade I would undoubtedly have asked a somewhat different question. We never get consulted on this issue. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The member must know the Standing Orders. The Government can decide who gets the question.
Hide Rodney: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Hide Rodney: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:626;Page:21199] 
RODNEY HIDE (Leader—ACT) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. I accept your ruling following Bill English’s point about the Minister of Health reading out personal information but we have got a serious situation now because in reading out the information the Minister of Health seriously misled this House and indeed the public of New Zealand about Alvin’s condition and in fact about what transpired. I think Madam Speaker that you should allow me just two sentences to correct what Annette King has said and it is this—
Hughes Darren: Hazardous Substances and New Organisms (Approvals and Enforcement) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Hughes Darren: Hazardous Substances and New Organisms (Approvals and Enforcement) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:623;Page:18777] 
DARREN HUGHES (Labour—Otaki) 
: 
 The member for Nelson always gets into a high state of excitement whenever he is doing the numbers for Bill English and I thought the anger that was demonstrated in that speech was a classic example of that. I support the first reading of this bill. The previous speaker asked why it is going to the education committee. He did not call it by its full title which is the Education and Science Committee. That committee chaired by the Hon Brian Donnelly has previously done work in the hazardous substances and new organisms area. It has the expertise to consider a bill like this and the best thing our Parliament could do would be to give the bill its first reading send it to that committee and debate it more fully at the second reading.
Peters Winston: Fisheries Amendment Bill (No 3) — In Committee 
Peters Winston: Fisheries Amendment Bill (No 3) — In Committee 
[Volume:619;Page:15205] 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I have already ruled Mr Peters. 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS 
: I am seeking leave one more time. I say to Government members that if their answer is “No” this party will remember that and do something about it in the next months. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: The member cannot use threats. 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS 
: It is not a threat. If we are to have no cooperation or any concession at all from Government members then the consequences for them are very certain—make no bones about it. I am asking you to put leave one more time for me to give one speech. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I will put it to the Committee again. Is there any objection to the Rt Hon Winston Peters having one further call? There is.
Burton Mark: Business Statement 
Burton Mark: Business Statement 
[Volume:617;Page:12911] 
Hon MARK BURTON (Deputy Leader of the House) 
: 
 Next week in the House the Government will seek to make progress on the Visiting Forces Bill the Mercenary Activities (Prohibition) Bill the Secondhand Dealers and Pawnbrokers Bill and the Border Security Bill. Wednesday of course is members’ day.
Yates Dianne: Gambling Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Yates Dianne: Gambling Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:611;Page:8457] 
DIANNE YATES (NZ Labour—Hamilton East) 
: 
 I am pleased to speak on the title of this bill which was recommended by the Government Administration Committee. I believe that the select committee unanimously decided that the title to this bill should be the “Gambling Bill” rather than the “Responsible Gambling Bill”. It deals with many forms and classes of gambling and I am pleased that we have a gambling bill before this House after many years and that we have got to the Committee stage of this bill. 
In talking to New Zealanders one will find extreme points of view on what gambling should or should not be allowed what gambling is and is not and what is responsible and what is not. On the whole I think the select committee worked very hard at trying to find a middle ground between the views of all New Zealanders. What is responsible is the fact that the Government has at last come forward with this bill and is getting it through the House. We are concerned about the growth of gambling and I do not think that there is one New Zealander who would not agree that gambling has grown that the proliferation of pokie machines has caused tremendous social problems and that we need greater restriction. 
As I have said there are many items in this bill that deal with many forms of gambling and with the responsibilities of the community and of local government. The bill puts in more restrictions and limits the number of machines and I wish to thank the Minister of Internal Affairs and officials for the work that has been done. I also thank the select committee. It was not unanimous on much in this bill but it was certainly unanimous on the title.
Cosgrove Clayton: General Debate 
Cosgrove Clayton: General Debate 
[Volume:621;Page:16335] 
CLAYTON COSGROVE (Labour—Waimakariri) 
: 
 I rise at the invitation of the member and I seek leave for a further 5 minutes. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The member seeks leave for a further 5 minutes’ debate. Is there any objection? 
Rodney Hide 
: Is he going to defend John Tamihere for 5 minutes— 
Mr SPEAKER 
: No no. The member has asked for leave to give an extra 5-minute speech. He is entitled to do that. Is there any objection?
Cullen Michael: Motions — Confidence Motion—Government 
Cullen Michael: Motions — Confidence Motion—Government 
[Volume:617;Page:12539] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. Could I check whether that is a non-debatable motion? 
Gerry Brownlee 
: Yes. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought. Is there any objection? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN 
: Is it non-debatable? [ 
Interruption 
] It is debatable. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The member did not ask for it to be non-debatable. Leave is sought. Is there any objection? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN 
: Yes if the motion is debatable. Is it non-debatable? 
Mr SPEAKER 
: No it is debatable. 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN 
: It is debatable. Yes there is objection. If the member wishes to move a non-debatable motion it is perfectly acceptable to do so. 
Dr Don Brash 
: Yes it is a non-debatable motion.
Vote: Appropriation (2004/05 Supplementary Estimates) Bill — First Reading 
Vote: Appropriation (2004/05 Supplementary Estimates) Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:626;Page:21213] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Appropriation (2004/05 Supplementary Estimates) Bill be now read a first time. 
Ayes 83 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 33 
New Zealand National 27; ACT New Zealand 6. 
Bill read a first time.
Turei Metiria: Education (Export Education Levy) Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
Turei Metiria: Education (Export Education Levy) Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
[Volume:619;Page:15005] 
METIRIA TUREI (Green) 
: 
 I rise on behalf of the Greens to make a very short comment on the third reading of this bill. The Greens have always been very concerned about the nature of export education and the potential for exploitation of those students who are brought over here to participate in and purchase educational services. None the less our concerns about the export education levy were directed initially to ensuring that it would be used to support those international students rather than fund the general education budget or vote. 
This bill is very narrow in its scope. It ensures that international students who are unfortunately victims of institutions not capable of managing their financial circumstances do not suffer for that. We think it is important that they are properly supported and we therefore support this bill and its purposes.
Barker Rick: Criminal Justice Amendment Bill (No 7) — In Committee 
Barker Rick: Criminal Justice Amendment Bill (No 7) — In Committee 
[Volume:612;Page:9535] 
Hon RICK BARKER (Minister for Courts) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Hunt Jonathan: Speaker’s Statements — Reply to Written Questions 
Hunt Jonathan: Speaker’s Statements — Reply to Written Questions 
[Volume:606;Page:3473] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Honourable members on 12 February 2003 the Hon Nick Smith raised a point of order regarding the release by the office of the Minister of Education of a reply to a written question before the reply was given to the member. I have received an explanation from the Minister and it is apparent that this was done inadvertently by the Minister’s office and an apology was tendered to the member for this. I confirm that a copy of a reply should not be released until it has been sent to the member. I am satisfied that this was not done deliberately in this case and that no further action should follow given the apology from the Minister’s office. I thank the member for drawing this to my attention.
Mahuta Nanaia: Employment Relations Law Reform Bill — In Committee 
Mahuta Nanaia: Employment Relations Law Reform Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:620;Page:16142] 
NANAIA MAHUTA (Labour—Tainui) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Prebble Richard: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Prebble Richard: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:614;Page:10583] 
8.  
Hon RICHARD PREBBLE (Leader—ACT) 
 to the  
Minister of Finance 
: What is the Government’s view on the recent trading bank interest rate rises and what action if any is the Government going to take? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Minister of Finance) 
: 
 Interest rate rises are bad news for borrowers and good news for lenders. The Government does not propose to revert to failed policies of the past such as interest rate controls. It will continue very prudent fiscal management which is the best contribution it can make. 
Hon Richard Prebble 
: Would the Minister care to comment on the fact that the Australian inflation rate is 1 percent higher than New Zealand’s and interest rate rises in Australia are justified; but inflation is low in New Zealand the Reserve Bank has chosen not to lift its interest rate and would it not appear that the Australian managers of New Zealand trading banks are looking at the economy through Australian eyes; and is it not time the Reserve Bank required those trading banks to set up their own boards like Westpac so that they start to make decisions from a New Zealand viewpoint and not an Australian one? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN 
: A number of those banks do but of course the bank that has led the charge towards trying to keep mortgage rates down is Kiwibank whose creation the member opposed. 
Hon David Carter 
: Is the Minister concerned that rapidly rising house prices and now increasing interest rates will make homeownership even more difficult for many New Zealanders; if he is concerned about it what will he do about it? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN 
: There is clearly a great deal of pressure in the domestic sector including the building sector in particular. I am sure the member understands that the Government’s capacity to influence that is best done through a tight fiscal policy. Anything else such as random tax cuts as proposed by members opposite would lead to a loosening of fiscal policy and more upward pressure on interest rates.
Amended answers to Oral Questions — Question No. 9 to Minister 11 May 
Amended answers to Oral Questions — Question No. 9 to Minister 11 May 
[Volume:617;Page:12957] 
Amended answers to Oral Questions 
Question No. 9 to Minister 11 May 
Hon PAUL SWAIN (Minister of Corrections) 
: 
 I seek leave to correct an answer I gave concerning relationships between inmates and female corrections officers. On 11 May in answer to an oral question from Ron Mark MP I indicated that since December 1999 five female staff have been investigated for inappropriate romantic or sexual relationships with male inmates. I have since been advised that the figure is 17. Of the 17 one was dismissed eight resigned seven of the relationships were not proven while the staff members were employed and one is still under investigation. I apologise to the House for this error. 
RON MARK (NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I am seeking your assistance as the Speaker of this House. We know that the Minister’s officers and his department have some 4 hours in a day in which to get factual answers to specific questions. I have been subjected on many occasions by this Minister and his department to accusations of saying falsities in this House—of asking questions and making statements that are not correct. On this particular occasion it was very clear to me that the answers that were being given were somewhat out of kilter with the public record. I ask you what protection or assistance you can give members of the House to ensure that we get factual answers to our written questions on the day not some sort of apology 5 or 8 days after the fact. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The member has made his point very effectively but there is no point of order that I can rule on. If the Minister has made a mistake and he corrects it that is fine. If he does not then of course other actions can follow. But I can assure the member that I have taken note of what he has said. 
JOHN CARTER (Senior Whip—National) 
: 
 I seek leave for Parliament to set half an hour a week aside on a permanent basis to allow Ministers to come down to correct the answers to questions that they have given inaccurately. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to do that. Is there any objection? There is.
Cullen Michael: Urgency 
Cullen Michael: Urgency 
[Volume:626;Page:20925] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I move  
That urgency be accorded the passing through its remaining stages of the Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims Bill. 
 The motion is moved in order that the bill can be passed in time for its consequences to be considered in relation to a number of cases at present in front of the courts.
Vote: Education (Export Education Levy) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Education (Export Education Levy) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:619;Page:14766] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 71 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2; Maori Party 1. 
Noes 47 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 7. 
Motion agreed to.
Ryall Tony: Corrections Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Ryall Tony: Corrections Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:617;Page:13158] 
Hon TONY RYALL (National—Bay of Plenty) 
:  
I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I seek a clarification of your ruling. You said that the title debate is now to be a short debate.
Hawkins George: State Sector Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Hawkins George: State Sector Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:610;Page:7336] 
Hon GEORGE HAWKINS (Minister of Police) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Sowry Roger: Customs and Excise (Alcoholic Beverages) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
Sowry Roger: Customs and Excise (Alcoholic Beverages) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:608;Page:5362] 
Hon ROGER SOWRY (Deputy Leader—NZ National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I am sorry to raise this matter so long after the incident occurred but given your ruling that you would take any time off the person who was speaking I now wish to raise the matter of the offensive comments that the senior Government whip was yelling out. I do not intend to repeat them— 
Opposition Members 
: He’s on his cellphone. 
Hon ROGER SOWRY 
: He is allowed to do so; there are totally different rules for the Government. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Points of order will be heard in silence. 
Hon ROGER SOWRY 
: Well we will raise the cellphone issue later. The senior Government whip was most offensive. He can laugh about it but I took offence. I think your ruling has meant that now we have to stack these things up until the end of a speech. I regret that but I believe that the senior Government whip should be required to apologise for those comments. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I ask the senior Government whip if he made comments that were offensive to withdraw and apologise. 
David Benson-Pope 
: I do not believe they were offensive but I am prepared to withdraw and apologise. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: No the member will either withdraw and apologise— 
David Benson-Pope 
: I withdraw and apologise.
King Annette: Resource Management (Aquaculture Moratorium Extension) Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
King Annette: Resource Management (Aquaculture Moratorium Extension) Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:616;Page:11653] 
Hon ANNETTE KING (Minister of Health) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put.
Benson-Pope David: Care of Children Bill — First Reading 
Benson-Pope David: Care of Children Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:609;Page:6675] 
DAVID BENSON-POPE (NZ Labour—Dunedin South) 
: 
 I am pleased to rise very briefly in support of this legislation which is long overdue. I would like to join my colleagues on this side of the House and congratulate the responsible Minister for some very far-sighted legislation. 
Debate interrupted.
Vote: Future Directions (Working for Families) Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Procedure 
Vote: Future Directions (Working for Families) Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:617;Page:13473] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Future Directions (Working for Families) Bill be now read a second time. 
Ayes 81 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8. 
Noes 28 
New Zealand National 22; ACT New Zealand 5; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Bill read a second time.
Vote: Prostitution Reform Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Prostitution Reform Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:609;Page:6195] 
A personal vote was called for on the question  
That Parts 1 to 3 and the schedule as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 62 
Barker  
Duncan (P) 
Kedgley (P) 
Simich 
Barnett 
Dyson (P) 
Kelly (P) 
Smith L 
Benson-Pope 
Ewen-Street (P) 
Key (P) 
Sowry 
Beyer 
Fairbrother (P) 
King 
Sutton (P) 
Bradford 
Fitzsimons (P) 
Locke (P) 
Swain (P) 
Brash (P) 
Goff (P) 
Maharey (P) 
Tamihere (P) 
Burton (P) 
Gosche (P) 
Mallard (P) 
Tanczos 
Carter C (P) 
Hartley 
McCully (P) 
Tizard (P) 
Chadwick 
Hawkins (P) 
Okeroa 
Turei (P) 
Choudhary (P) 
Hereora 
Parker  
Turia (P) 
Clark (P) 
Hide (P) 
Peck (P) 
Ward (P) 
Coddington (P) 
Hobbs (P) 
Pillay (P) 
Williamson (P) 
Cullen (P) 
Hodgson (P) 
Rich (P) 
Wilson (P) 
Cunliffe (P) 
Horomia (P) 
Ririnui (P) 
Dalziel (P) 
Hughes 
Roy 
Teller: 
Donald (P) 
Hunt (P) 
Shirley (P) 
Pettis 
Noes 57 
Adams 
Dunne (P) 
Mapp 
Samuels (P) 
Alexander 
Duynhoven 
Mark  
Scott (P) 
Anderton (P)  
Eckhoff (P) 
McNair (P) 
Smith M 
Ardern (P) 
English (P) 
Newman (P) 
Smith N 
Awatere Huata 
Field (P) 
O’Connor 
Stewart (P) 
Baldock 
Franks 
Ogilvy 
Te Heuheu 
Brown (P) 
Gallagher 
Paraone (P) 
Tisch (P) 
Brownlee (P) 
Goudie 
Perry (P) 
Turner 
Carter D (P) 
Gudgeon (P) 
Peters J (P) 
Woolerton (P) 
Catchpole 
Heatley (P)  
Peters W (P) 
Worth (P) 
Collins (P) 
Hutchison (P) 
Power (P) 
Yates 
Connell (P) 
Jones  
Prebble (P) 
Copeland 
Laban (P) 
Robertson 
Cosgrove (P) 
Mackey (P) 
Robson (P) 
Teller: 
Donnelly (P) 
Mahuta (P) 
Ryall 
Carter J 
Abstentions 1 
Wong (P) 
Parts 1 to 3 and schedule as amended agreed to. 
Bill reported with amendment.
Swain Paul: Appointments — Ombudsman—Melwyn Purefoy Smith 
Swain Paul: Appointments — Ombudsman—Melwyn Purefoy Smith 
[Volume:624;Page:19546] 
Hon PAUL SWAIN (Minister of Labour) 
 on behalf of the  
Leader of the House 
: I move  
That pursuant to section 8 of the Ombudsmen Act 1975 this House recommend Her Excellency the Governor-General to reappoint Melwyn Purefoy Smith of Wellington as an additional Ombudsman for a period of 6 months commencing on 5 June 2005 
.
Peters Winston: Business Statement 
Peters Winston: Business Statement 
[Volume:616;Page:11990] 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 I so move. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to have that bill considered as part of the urgency motion at the end of the other listed items. Is there any objection? There is objection.
Peters Winston: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Peters Winston: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:616;Page:12006] 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. Because the matter was raised by Gerry Brownlee I want to make it very clear that I have tabled four lots of evidence to support my request for leave; and will Gerry Brownlee resign? 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The member knows that that was not a point of order.
Ririnui Mita: Maori Television Service Bill — In Committee 
Ririnui Mita: Maori Television Service Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:608;Page:5113] 
MITA RIRINUI (NZ Labour—Waiariki) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Dunne Peter: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Procedure Referral to Health Committee Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Dunne Peter: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Procedure Referral to Health Committee Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:610;Page:7979] 
Hon PETER DUNNE (Leader—United Future) 
: 
 I will be very brief. I raised this issue with the previous Chairperson— 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich) 
: I am sorry to interrupt the member but the time has come for the Committee to report progress. 
Progress reported.
Power Simon: Holidays Bill — Third Reading 
Power Simon: Holidays Bill — Third Reading 
[Volume:614;Page:10703] 
SIMON POWER (National—Rangitikei) 
: 
 The National Party made its position on the bill very clear when the Hon Roger Sowry led the debate through the initial stages—the first reading second reading and the Committee stage. 
Hon Paul Swain 
: The National Party is taking a holiday—yours! 
SIMON POWER 
: That is pretty funny coming from the “Minister for Lunches”. The bill presents a number of confusing key issues but more important by way of a last-minute inclusion was the entitlement to 4 weeks’ annual leave. This entitlement has been described by various people in the House during the course of the last series of debates on the bill as the great Labour Party election bribe which will come into effect on 1 April 2007. As other members have said during the passage of the bill through the House why not just make the date 2015? Why not make it 2010? What is so special about 2007? I see Sue Bradford nodding—that makes me a bit nervous actually. If the Government intends to delay the implementation of the bill until 2007 why not just push it right out? Either Government members are serious principled and committed to the entitlement of 4 weeks’ annual leave or they are not. 
I have to say that whether or not one agrees with 4 weeks’ annual leave—and I will come shortly to the reservations that we on this side of the House have—what the Government is doing rather cheapens it a bit. The Government’s view is that: “ OK we’ve been pushed into a corner on the issue by Matt Robson and by the Council of Trade Unions and the best way for us to get through this—given that Steve Maharey promised he would not introduce 4 weeks’ annual leave—is to let it hang out a bit over the course of the next election.” The Government thinks that it can have this leave issue out there as a piece of bait for the electorate in general. That just confirms what I was saying in the general debate yesterday and that is that this Government does not operate on principles at all. Either Government members believe in 4 weeks’ annual leave or they do not. If they believe in it they should implement it—get on with it. What is the hold-up? 
Debate interrupted.
Turei Metiria: Foreshore and Seabed Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Turei Metiria: Foreshore and Seabed Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:621;Page:17081] 
METIRIA TUREI (Green) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. There are a number of amendments on the Green Party sheet that is available to members. Are the questions on those amendments to the amendments on the Supplementary Order Paper to be put before the question on the Minister’s amendments on the Supplementary Order Paper? 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich) 
: That is exactly what we are doing. These are amendments to the Minister’s amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 302.  
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Metiria Turei to proposed new clause 35 set out on Supplementary Order Paper 302 in the name of the Hon Dr Michael Cullen be agreed to: 
to omit proposed new subclause (2).
Tanczos Nandor: Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims Bill — In Committee Procedure Third Reading 
Tanczos Nandor: Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims Bill — In Committee Procedure Third Reading 
[Volume:626;Page:21033] 
NANDOR TANCZOS (Green) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I apologise for disturbing the flow of the debate but during my speech I suggested that Peter Brown had misunderstood the bill because he had been poorly advised by Mr Jones. Mr Jones has informed me that Peter Brown specifically said that he had not been advised by Mr Jones. I have not checked  
Hansard 
 but I take the member’s word for it. I simply want to apologise. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I thank the member.