McKelvie IanIAN McKELVIE (National—Rangitīkei): Thank you Mr Chair. I thought it was never going to happen. It's a great pleasure to take a call on Part 1 of the Arms Legislation Bill in the committee stage. But before I get on to the points I want to raise on that I need to raise some issues that the Hon Ron Mark raised because he was giving me a psychoanalytic test of some sort I think and I just need to defend the patch a little bit. Because if you go back in time he spent a lot of time talking about the arms inquiry 2015-16 parliamentary time a very competent inquiry run under the stewardship of Kanwaljit Singh Bakshi. It took a lot of time to consider a lot of issues that are now being dealt with to some extent in the course of this bill. It made a report back to the Minister at the time. Some of those things were acted on; some of them weren't. I reject his criticism of that inquiry. I think it was very well run and I think the results were appropriate at the time.What's transpired since then is that we've had some extraordinary actions take place. We've had two bills brought to the House one under significant urgency and this one ill-considered and under further urgency. The Hon Ron Mark himself said this bill is not appropriate yet he is supporting it. So what we're doing here is pushing a bill through Parliament that frankly has got very little support in Parliament and is going to be altered the moment the next Parliament sits. I don't follow that at all. I think that's a very flawed policy.So the other issue that's been raised by the Minister in fact when he opened the address last night and talked about the fact that we're removing guns from the crims in New Zealand—we're not removing guns from the crims at all. If you look at the police statistics on this when we were presented with the information at the beginning of this bill they estimated there could be as many as 250000 of these arms in our community. What did we do? We collected 56000 of them. So on the basis of the information we were given there could well be 150000 of these guns still out there. Now those guns have not been handed in they've not been surrendered and they must be still out there. They are inevitably going to fall into the hands of criminals because if you want to sell one who are you going to sell to? You're not going to sell it to a licensed gun owner because you can't. So the whole system is flawed.So we've got a bill in the House that's based on flawed information and that Ron Mark himself—who spent a lot of time in the course of his address to us this last address to us talking about 1997 which is a New Zealand First trait. They go back that far usually. He spent a lot of time talking about the Thorp report. That was 1997. The world's moved on dramatically since then. So I want the Minister to justify to us why we are pushing a bill through in significant haste with ill consideration and we're going to change it the moment we have a new Parliament sit. I think that's extraordinary. I think the Minister should justify to us why he's wasting Parliament's time with a bill that's arisen from a process that's clearly flawed. And now we have all sorts of stories out there about how the licensee in fact got his licence and how many other people in New Zealand have achieved or got licences under the same circumstances. It would be very interesting to know that.The other thing I want to talk about in this short time on Part 1 is the issue that Brett Hudson has raised in the course of his Supplementary Order Paper and that's the issue that came up a number of times during submissions of pests and agriculture and the potential to use these types of guns for the elimination of those pests. Now we listened to a number of submissions from Federated Farmers and others on this very issue. I obviously have a gun licence; I've declared that before. I've never used a gun that's fired more than five shots at a time. In fact if I fire five shots I'm almost sitting down on my seat by the time I get to the fifth one because I'm getting a bit older and it's quite difficult to get them all out there particularly with the steel ammunition we've got to use these days because it's terrible stuff. It's brutal. But I do think that it's a useful addition to the bill but the problem is it's not really going to achieve in my view the result it wants to achieve. That's been raised a number of times by Brett Hudson. So I'd like the Minister to very quickly tell us how many times he thinks this clause that they've introduced around pest control will be used and what the demand for it is going to be as we move forward.So I'm disappointed with the process we've gone through. I think it's just not helping the cause at all.