McKelvie IanIAN McKELVIE (National—Rangitīkei): Tēnā koe e Te Mana Whakawā. I want to remind the last speaker Virginia Andersen that we all suffer when the fish species suffer—not just sectors of our community; the whole community suffers.I'll take a brief call on the Conservation (Indigenous Freshwater Fish) Amendment Bill. I think it's certainly worthy of supporting to the select committee and I take note of all those points that have previously been made particularly by this side of the House around some of the nervousness that might occur around what may happen to this bill in the course of it going through the Environment Committee.I like a number of the previous speakers if I ever had time would be a very keen whitebaiter. I don't have the patience for it unfortunately. And that's not because we don't catch any; it's just because I don't have the patience to sit down there and watch them swimming past the end of the net. There are a couple of things I want to raise in here and they relate to an issue that was raised very early in the piece by the Minister David Parker. He said that property rights never gave property owners the right to destroy nature and I absolutely agree with him on that. The issue I've got with this bill relates to clause 11. So because we live in a built environment that's been changed and I suppose you could call it built" over the last 150 or 160 years or even longer than that we have to live with what we've got now and we've got to make what we've got now work better for us. The issue that concerns me about clause 11 in this bill is that it gives the Government or its agents the right to enter private property and to close down effectively or potentially close down pieces of nature reserve or whatever that have been hugely developed by farmers by other landowners by public trusts and all sorts of people who have changed the nature of our land—and they've created environments that are quite different than they were a couple of hundred years ago but none the less they've created environments that are very productive from a fishing perspective or from a fish-breeding perspective. I would be very nervous to think that we would get State intervention in that type of activity. That's what clause 11 effectively allows. So I think that like many other things that we deal with in Government we need to make sure that whatever we do in this area we are acting constructively and working constructively with those people who have created sometimes through generations these quite innovative wetlands and areas where fish can breed. I'm very keen on eels. I like a smoked eel—you can't get anything better than a smoked eel. I do accept that when we were young or when I was young—I'm not talking about you Mr Speaker I'm sorry; I realise you're quite a bit younger than me—you could go down to any river and catch eels quite easily. And I'd have to say that nowadays you still can go down to the river and catch eels—it's just not quite as easy as it used to be. I think that's the reason for this bill.So I support this bill to the select committee. I am a little nervous about where it might take us and I think from a fishing perspective particularly a whitebaiting perspective and from an eeling perspective we need to make sure that all of those people's views are respected as it comes through the select committee. So that's my small contribution to this bill. Thank you."