McKee Nicole; Robertson GrantNICOLE McKEE (ACT): Thank you Madam Chair. Thank you Minister for Sport and Recreation. Minister I'm going to speak to the two Supplementary Order Papers that my colleague Karen Chhour has placed on the table and I understand as well my colleague Michael Woodhouse and what he was saying about feeling like it has already been added to the bill because we actually speak within the bill about wanting to remove the discrimination issues that are apparent including recognising—anyway what we're looking to do is have fairness for all. And we do note that within the Social Services and Community Committee submissions there was as reported in the select committee report a significant proportion I guess of parents out there who are worried about the integrity of sport for their female children. It looks like the select committee have done a really good job in trying to tidy things up and make it quite clear. Michael Woodhouse has actually said Look we've already got this within our bill." But I think there is a way that we can actually clarify it—for those worried parents the significant number of worried parents—by actually just referring to a clause of the Human Rights Act that's already there. It's not like we're producing anything or creating anything; we're just putting it into the bill. So Minister could I please have you just speak to me about why it wouldn't and what is the reasoning for not using this as a way to alleviate some of the concerns of those parents out there? Thank you.Hon GRANT ROBERTSON (Minister for Sport and Recreation): I will be reiterating what a couple of other colleagues have said. This bill is not about who can and cannot participate in sport. That is not what this bill is about. It was never about that. It's about supporting and upholding and safeguarding the rights of the people who are participating in sport whoever they may be. So I don't believe that the Supplementary Order Papers (SOPs) put forward by Karen Chhour actually are either relevant in part to the bill itself—it's certainly not necessary. And with respect to the member I also do not accept that it's just a matter of clarity. I do find it somewhat ironic that these amendments are coming from a party who profess to believe in libertarian values and the State not being involved. Most sporting organisations in New Zealand apply rules about participation on the basis usually of an international guideline. That's normally what happens. It's the international rules of a particular sport. I have tried very hard over the last few years whilst utterly believing in the importance of inclusion in sport and supporting transgender participation in sport as well to not get in the way of sports making their own decisions about how they organise themselves because internationally that's what they're doing. And it just seems very odd to me that the ACT Party thinks that the heavy hand of Government should come down and tell those individual sports what they should do. So I don't support these amendments. They are completely unnecessary. They are only borderline even relevant for the legislation. That's not my decision and I'm not taking it; I'm just saying it's my opinion. I'm choosing my words carefully because I don't want to step out of the rules of Parliament. But I think we all know where this kind of rhetoric comes from and what it's about and I can tell you with absolute certainty it is not about the purposes of this bill. So no we don't support those SOPs."