SpeechBRETT HUDSON (National): Thank you Mr Chair. I'd like to take up if I could some points or the principle that my colleague the Hon Dr Nick Smith raised about there being under this bill greater or different rights afforded to prisoners than to victims and other law-abiding citizens—actually the point he raised about the ability to have one's details kept from the public electoral roll. I'd just sort of make this point that I understand there's a Supplementary Order Paper (SOP) here that will change that. But until that SOP is actually voted on we have no idea whether or not it will in fact be accepted but the bill before us does have those provisions that do allow that prisoner to have their name kept off the public record. Presumably the Government the Minister would have been happy for the bill to have passed without amendment had that not been raised as a matter in the select committee. So my question to him is: on what basis does he think it is appropriate that a prisoner might be able to more easily—in fact with no justification really—have their details kept from the public roll when there are actually very tight conditions applied to non-prisoners seeking to have their details not on that roll? That could still be what passes through this Parliament and so I think he should justify that. [Interruption] I'm not finished yet Minister. The other thing I've noticed though on the point of different rights is my understanding—and look we can all be wrong in some things in our life. My understanding is that an eligible voter has a legal obligation to enrol. We're not required to vote but there is a legal obligation on those eligible to vote to enrol. This bill does not apply that obligation. This bill gives the prisoner the right to decide whether or not he or she wants to go on the roll because the prison officer has to ask them if they want the prison officer to forward their details on to the Electoral Commission. The only deduction that can be made for that because there is no other provision even inferring something different in this bill is that if the prisoner decides they don't want the prison officer to pass their information on then they won't be on the roll. How in fact will that then sit with other electoral legislation? Because the overarching legislation is if you're eligible—and this creates eligibility—then you must enrol. But this bill says you have eligibility but you don't have to enrol if you don't really want to.Look I can see officials looking so I'll do the courtesy of just pointing out that we're here in Part 2 where that is—obviously in clause 7 inserting new section 86A(2) and then it's repeated in new section 86B(2) as well. Yeah that's correct; so those two. So if the prisoner then doesn't want their enrolment details sent to the Electoral Commission they won't go. So we have a situation under this bill where a prisoner has the right despite being eligible to vote to not actually go on the roll and I'd like the Minister to respond and justify why that is acceptable because while we're not going to argue it's a greater right than other law-abiding New Zealanders have it is a different obligation. And I think that warrants some scrutiny and some response from the Minister. So I look forward to that.