Warren-Clark AngieANGIE WARREN-CLARK (Labour): Oh my goodness—where to begin? The member Simon O'Connor—the bleeding hearts here we find it so difficult to keep railing against the children. Well guess what? We do care about the children. We actually do care about the children and we're absolutely clear that our children don't deserve to be punished for the actions of their parents. So let's face the fact quite clearly that that is what it will do. According to the members over there not only will we be going light on justice but we will also be somehow telling the whole world that this is a bad thing. We'll lose votes. Well guess what? Our parties here are in Government and all—all—of the advice against this bill is that it is a poor bill. It is a poor bill and it is not evidenced and it is not good law.So let's look at—I mean even the name. I can't even stand to read the name out because it actually only refers to beneficiaries. We are not talking about people who commit crimes who are actually just committing crimes and then not being compliant. No no no no. We're actually only talking about a specific class of people within a specific group of people. We're not talking about the elderly who are on super. We're not talking about the pensioners who have gone to war for us. No no—they're a special class too. They don't get covered. We're only talking about people who are on benefits who are actually not in work. That's what we're talking about and this legislation makes me feel sick. Actually when I read this it made me feel sick because I can tell you this: I have worked on the front line and I have seen some of the reasons why these people are non-compliant and I swear to you that a lot of people want to be compliant. They try their best and they admit that they've made a mistake and they're criminally convicted for those things. They want to do better but they don't have the means.Let me tell you about a family that I worked with.ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Poto Williams): Order! Don't bring me into the debate please thank you.ANGIE WARREN-CLARK: Sorry ma'am. Let me tell you about a family—ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Poto Williams): No don't. Don't tell me.ANGIE WARREN-CLARK: No—no no. Let me tell the Opposition—sorry ma'am. I'm all impassioned. Let me tell you—Hon Member: No.ANGIE WARREN-CLARK: Ha ha! Let me explain. Ha ha!ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Poto Williams): Take a deep breath.ANGIE WARREN-CLARK: Yes—I'm all impassioned. Let me explain about a family I worked with in the refuge. A mum who was on a community sentence came to the refuge due to the fact obviously of domestic violence. Now what we did was we sat down with her and we said You're not compliant at the moment." She said that she knew that that she hadn't been able to get there. Her ex-partner knew the time she was supposed to report in. She did not want to go. She didn't have credit on her phone. There was a private number ringing; she didn't know who that was. She didn't answer her phone. She was also unable to receive mail because she was transient—OK? So this is a woman who has been affected absolutely. So what did we do? We didn't say "Let's cut your benefit by half. Let's sit down and go ooh we'll punish you so you and your family can't eat." No. We said "Let's work out a way. Let's case manage you"—sorry ma'am. "Let's case manage let's work side by side and let's try and get you there—let's try and get you there and let's try and explain the circumstances." That's actually better than cutting off a benefit and saying to someone "Well that'll fix ya. That'll learn ya. That'll learn you and your family."ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Poto Williams): Order!ANGIE WARREN-CLARK: Sorry ma'am. "That will learn your family."Hon Members: Ha ha!ANGIE WARREN-CLARK: Ha ha! Oh I was just so incensed about this poor piece of legislation. I am absolutely opposed to this and I cannot commend this bill to the House."