Harawira Hone: Terrorism Suppression Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Harawira Hone: Terrorism Suppression Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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HONE HARAWIRA (Maori Party—Te Tai Tokerau) 
: 
 I just want to clarify something that was raised by the previous speaker Ron Mark. The Maori Party has never ever said that it represents all Maori. In fact we represent only intelligent Maori. That is the first thing I want to clear up and that is not a matter of debate. 
At another level when people start talking about the historical nature of terrorism and ask whether the Maori Party actually understands the historical nature of terrorism I say that absolutely we do. John Hayes talked about introduced diseases. I think of influenza which was introduced by the whalers and sailors the wheelers and dealers and the thieves—who came from England. That disease wiped out thousands of Maori people. When I hear members talk about the murder of innocent citizens I think of the so-called New Zealand colonial forces who murdered thousands of innocent Maori. When I think of the terror of the overtaking of a people’s land I think of the land theft that has gone on since the time the New Zealand Government was first established in this country and that continues to this very day. Do I understand the historical nature of terrorism? Absolutely I do. I understand it more so than I assume many other members of the House. 
But do I understand terrorism in the way that other members have expressed it in terms of this bill? The answer is no. I do not mind saying that I do not understand terrorism as it is understood by those fuelled by the jingoistic acid-drenched hate-filled anti-Islamic “death to anyone from the Middle East” vitriolic poisonous claptrap that the United States is trying to foist upon the rest of the world. 
Dr Wayne Mapp 
: al-Qaeda. 
HONE HARAWIRA 
: The member says “al-Qaeda”. I have heard the mention of al-Qaeda in this discussion on terrorism. Is that the same al-Qaeda and Taliban that were funded by the United States to get the Russians out of Afghanistan? 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: The member needs to come back to the bill. 
HONE HARAWIRA 
: I am speaking to the bill in terms of organisations that are listed as terrorist organisations. One of them is al-Qaeda and another is the Taliban. I ask the question of those who would sanction that practice and would challenge me on it whether we are talking about the same Taliban that was funded by the United States to throw the Russians out of Afghanistan. When they are talking about al-Qaeda and the forces in Iraq that are currently opposing the Americans—Saddam Hussein’s people—are they the same forces that the Americans funded to fight against the Ayatollah Khomeini and Iran back in those days? Exactly where does this terrorism come from? It seems to me that terrorism in terms of this bill is terrorism as it applies to the American definition not as it applies to the terrorism that is being meted out against people who oppose that kind of American imperialism. 
I come back to the meaning of terrorism in this country. My understanding of terrorism comes from a source that is far different from the American expression of “terrorism”. My source relies on historical fact rather than hysterical drama for its position. My source connects me to my indigenous brothers and sisters all over the world. When I think about terrorism in this country I again think about the terror of the State. What about the terror imposed on those communities in my whanaunga’s electorate? What about the terror imposed on those communities throughout Ruatoki? What about the terror imposed on activists right throughout the country—Pakeha Maori and all sorts of people like Jimmy O’Dea a 72-year-old staunch activist? His house was broken into by these— 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: The member will come back to the bill thank you. 
HONE HARAWIRA 
: Madam Chairperson that is not— 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: The member must not refer to specific cases. 
HONE HARAWIRA 
: That case is not before the court. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: All right thank you. The member assures me it is not. 
HONE HARAWIRA 
: I think about terrorism in this country and whether I will sit quietly by as suggested by Wayne Mapp Mr John Hayes and others and wait for the police to come up with a decision. No I will not sit quietly by while State forces terrorise my people. If this requires of me that I speak out against the rule of law that would impose terror on Maori communities in this country then I will speak out. I will speak out against it in this Chamber on television in newspapers and anywhere else I possibly can. I will challenge the rule of law and I will oppose the rule of law if terrorism is a vehicle being used by the State forces of this country to terrorise Maori communities. I will support those whanau hapu iwi and individuals—Pakeha Maori it does not matter—who have been threatened— 
John Hayes 
: I raise a point of order Madam Chairperson. This matter has absolutely no bearing on the bill under discussion. If there are concerns about the matter then process should be followed which takes place outside this Chamber. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: The member is right to a certain extent and I am trying to keep members to speaking to the bill. However there has been a lot of discussion about the concepts in the bill and that discussion includes probably every speaker so far. I ask the member to come back to Part 1 and relate his comments to that part. Again I remind all members that the Committee stage is really about the nuts and bolts of the bill. That is why we are back on Part 1. 
HONE HARAWIRA 
: Thank you Madam Chair. I would like to point out following on from speakers who have spoken about the calicivirus and Adolf Hitler that what I have said about terrorism in this country was probably a lot closer to this bill than what other speakers have said. 
My support for whanau hapu iwi and individuals—be they Maori Pakeha or whatever—who are threatened by the imposition of terror by State forces is absolute. I will not stand by quietly and wait for the New Zealand Police to come up with its idea about what is right and what is wrong. I note that American experts on terror who have been flown over to this country to give their view say that our police are probably breaking the law if they hold people without bail. I am not speaking on any particular case here; it is a generic expression in respect of a range of charges rather than any one in particular. If that is the measure of our sitting quietly and accepting the rule of law then we should not—as a society as a Committee and as any party in this Chamber—sit quietly by. 
When I hear speakers in this Chamber in respect of this bill talk about the United Nations and ask how we could possibly not go along with the United Nations I think to myself: “How could we possibly not go along with the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples?”. 
John Hayes 
: I raise a point of order Madam Chairperson. The member is confusing the Permanent Forum on Indigenous Issues which is an advisory body of the Economic and Social Council with the United Nations Security Council which is the pre-eminent body of the United Nations. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: That is clearly a debating point and the member is debating the bill. 
HONE HARAWIRA 
: Thank you Madam Chair. If Mr Mapp wants to talk about our honouring the call from the United Nations for this that and the other then I would say to members that we should not be picky about it—let us honour them all. If one of the calls from the United Nations happens to be the Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples then let us honour that as well. Let us not say we will honour only certain aspects of it—those which go along with the United States’ version of what terrorism should be. Let us honour all aspects handed down to us by the United Nations including for example the recommendation of the Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination that the Foreshore and Seabed Act be thrown out because it discriminates against Maori people here in Aotearoa. 
Coming back to the name of this bill in terms of terrorism the Maori Party does support the rule of law. The Maori Party does oppose terrorism. The Maori Party will oppose terrorism in all of its forms whether it is international terrorism or State terrorism. Madam Chair thank you very much. I will come back to this later. Kia ora tatou.