Young JonathanJONATHAN YOUNG (National—New Plymouth): Madam Chair I would like to speak to Supplementary Order Paper 148. It is similar to the previous one but has a slightly different application to it. As the bill states in clause 8 then down to new section 50A Restricted access to Taranaki conservation land" in subsection (3) "However this section"—which restricts access to Taranaki conservation land—"does not prevent prospecting exploration or mining carried out below the surface of Taranaki conservation land in accordance with section 57."I'd like to apply that same parallel to where there is ordinarily schedule 4 land which can't have access and here this bill creates an opportunity for exploration mining as long as it is below the surface and does not impact the surface at all. In Supplementary Order Paper 148 what I am seeking a consideration for is that the Minister may grant a permit for petroleum where the mining operations are entirely located on land within the onshore Taranaki region regardless of whether the petroleum being mined is located within or outside the onshore Taranaki region.Once again looking at that previous Supplementary Order Paper which talked about how a field may extend we know today that there are huge scientific improvements and technological improvements in terms of drilling technique. It's often called "horizontal" drilling. We know that for example at Pohokura there's been horizontal drilling to Kupe to Maari and to different places where a drilling platform may be in one position but may target another position that could be three or four or five kilometres away.So if we are prepared to say in this bill and the Minister is prepared to allow conservation land to have that style of exploration take place under it although not on it why would the Minister not allow for that type of exploration and that technical horizontal drilling to occur beyond the Taranaki border even though it is located within the Taranaki onshore border? Because that might be a solution to the issue that I raised before where it comes to a field a reservoir or whatever that seismically has been located beyond the onshore Taranaki region.Once again it is ensuring that those activities that actually seek to do that exploration occur within the Taranaki region but what is subsurface can be a different thing. I'm not suggesting that that subsurface go to offshore because it's explicitly in the bill that that is not a consideration but some flexibility—whether the Minister is going to respond by saying "Well that may be part of consideration of tranche two." or not—I do think is worthy of consideration considering we have an exemplar here of what will occur or could occur in conservation land.Surely sort of rough Taranaki scrubland is no more important than conservation land. And so I'm proposing that we look at this amendment here in Supplementary Order Paper 148 to grant what's considered to be "running room"—a current practice a current understanding a current process by which the hydrocarbon sector can operate and currently a regime that is in play with New Zealand Petroleum and Minerals.It doesn't seem to me to be outrageous or outlandish; it seems to be reasonable and I would invite the Minister to consider this Supplementary Order Paper because I believe that what it does is create that flexibility that will enable that investment that companies make to be able to be protected. And one of the things that she has said in terms of part of her policy background of this is to maximise the infrastructure and the investment cost for the sake of New Zealand and those companies. Thank you."