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Vote: Civil Union Bill — In Committee Procedure 
Vote: Civil Union Bill — In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:622;Page:17555] 
A personal vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 46 
Adams(P) 
English(P) 
Peters J (P) 
Tisch  
Alexander(P) 
Franks(P) 
Peters W (P) 
Turner(P) 
Baldock  
Gudgeon(P) 
Power(P) 
Wang(P) 
Brash(P) 
Heatley(P) 
Prebble(P) 
Williamson(P) 
Brown  
Hutchison(P) 
Roy(P) 
Woolerton(P) 
Carter D (P) 
Jones(P) 
Ryall(P) 
Worth(P) 
Carter J (P) 
Key(P) 
Scott(P) 
Catchpole(P) 
Mapp(P) 
Shirley(P) 
Coddington(P) 
McNair  
Smith L (P) 
Collins(P) 
Newman(P) 
Smith M (P) 
Connell(P) 
Ogilvy(P) 
Smith N (P) 
Dunne(P) 
Paraone (P) 
Stewart(P) 
Teller: 
Eckhoff  
Perry (P) 
te Heuheu(P) 
Copeland  
Noes 74 
Anderton(P) 
Duynhoven(P) 
King(P) 
Simich(P) 
Ardern(P) 
Dyson(P) 
Laban(P) 
Sowry(P) 
Barker(P) 
Ewen-Street(P) 
Locke(P) 
Sutton(P) 
Barnett(P) 
Fairbrother(P) 
Mackey J (P) 
Swain(P) 
Benson-Pope(P) 
Field(P) 
Mackey M (P) 
Tamihere(P) 
Beyer(P) 
Fitzsimons(P) 
Maharey(P) 
Tanczos(P) 
Bradford(P) 
Gallagher(P) 
Mahuta(P) 
Tizard(P) 
Brownlee(P) 
Goff (P) 
Mallard(P) 
Turei  
Burton(P) 
Gosche(P) 
Mark(P) 
Turia(P) 
Carter C (P) 
Goudie(P) 
McCully(P) 
Ward (P) 
Chadwick(P) 
Hartley(P) 
O'Connor(P) 
Wilson(P) 
Choudhary(P) 
Hawkins(P) 
Okeroa(P) 
Wong(P) 
Clark(P) 
Hereora(P) 
Parker(P) 
Yates (P) 
Cosgrove(P) 
Hide(P) 
Peck(P) 
Cullen(P) 
Hobbs(P) 
Pillay(P) 
Cunliffe(P) 
Hodgson(P) 
Rich(P) 
Dalziel(P) 
Horomia(P) 
Ririnui(P) 
Donald(P) 
Hughes  
Robertson(P) 
Donnelly(P) 
Hunt(P) 
Robson(P) 
Teller: 
Duncan(P) 
Kedgley(P) 
Samuels(P) 
Pettis  
Amendment not agreed to 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 314 in the name of Richard Worth to omit clause 16 be agreed to.
Goff Phil: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Goff Phil: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:608;Page:5560] 
Hon PHIL GOFF (Minister of Foreign Affairs and Trade) 
: 
 I seek the leave of the House to table the full answer to question for written answer on 14 November 2002 from Ron Mark to George Hawkins showing a full ethnic breakdown of crime committed in this country that the member said he could not get and which confirms that 2.2. percent of all crime is committed by Asiatic people. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to table that. Is there any objection? There is.
Vote: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Discharge In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Discharge In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:611;Page:8810] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 61 
Labour 52; Green Party 9. 
Noes 55 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 7; United Future 8. 
Amendment agreed to.
Hawkins George: Corrections Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Procedure 
Hawkins George: Corrections Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:617;Page:13015] 
Hon GEORGE HAWKINS (Minister of Police) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Vote: Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims Bill — In Committee Procedure Third Reading 
Vote: Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims Bill — In Committee Procedure Third Reading 
[Volume:626;Page:20993] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment to the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 57 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 9; United Future 8. 
Noes 62 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; Progressive 2. 
Amendment to the amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Tony Ryall to the amendment to clause 16(2) set out on Supplementary Order Paper 374 in the name of the Hon Phil Goff be agreed to: 
to omit from proposed paragraph (ab) subparagraph (ii).
Vote: Health Practitioners Competence Assurance Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Health Practitioners Competence Assurance Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:611;Page:8223] 
A party vote was called for on the question T 
hat the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 13 
New Zealand First 13. 
Noes 97 
Labour 52; New Zealand National 23; ACT New Zealand 6; Green Party 8; United Future 8. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 111 in the name of Heather Roy to omit the words “medical practitioner” and the definition of “medical practitioner” from clause 240(3) be agreed to.
Brown Peter: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Discharge In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Brown Peter: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Discharge In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:611;Page:8816] 
PETER BROWN (Senior Whip—NZ First) 
: 
 Mr Speaker I apologise for calling you back so quickly after you were last in the House. I did raise this issue as promptly as I could. I was not in the House when I heard the Hon Peter Dunne speak but listening on my speaker. When I got here the House was tied up on the previous point of order. I raised my concern as promptly and as quickly as I could. 
My concern is that the Hon Peter Dunne used the unfortunate term “health Nazis”. To many people in this world—certainly British people and I would think many many New Zealanders—the term “Nazis” is exceedingly unacceptable. If referred to as a “Nazi” many people I am aware of would deal to the person who delivered that statement physically and very severely although that would not be my attitude. I am asking whether that is an acceptable parliamentary term. I point out that this afternoon you tossed out my leader for referring to someone— 
Mr SPEAKER 
: No in the House; not outside the House. 
PETER BROWN 
: In the terminology today the word “dwarf” was used. People call me a giant and I take no offence at that whatsoever but I would take personal offence if I were referred to as a “Nazi”. It is unfortunate that we are describing somebody we cannot identify as a “health Nazi”. I believe the term “Nazi” should be regarded as unparliamentary and I have sought your recall and advice.
Vote: Fair Trading Amendment Bill (No 3) — In Committee 
Vote: Fair Trading Amendment Bill (No 3) — In Committee 
[Volume:609;Page:6861] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 46 
New Zealand National 26; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 7. 
Noes 69 
Labour 52; Green Party 9; United Future 8. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Tony Ryall to clause 8 be agreed to: 
to omit subclause (3).
Beyer Georgina: Masterton District Council (Montfort Trimble Foundation) Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
Beyer Georgina: Masterton District Council (Montfort Trimble Foundation) Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:614;Page:10426] 
GEORGINA BEYER (Labour—Wairarapa) 
: 
 I move  
That the Masterton District Council (Montfort Trimble Foundation) Bill be now read a third time 
. In seeking the third reading I acknowledge the wide-ranging debate and discussion that have occurred on the bill. More seriously I thank first of all the Masterton District Council for bringing the bill forward and taking the initiative to have the Montfort Trimble Foundation established so that it may do what it desires to do. In the second reading debate I complimented the Local Government and Environment Committee on its deliberations. Notwithstanding that the committee had to seek an extension of time which I was happy to acquiesce to at one stage there was a slight delay towards the end as was mentioned in a previous debate. However we are at the third reading and I am most grateful as I am sure the people of the Masterton district are—most certainly the mayor and councillors of the Masterton District Council are—to members of this Parliament who have supported almost unanimously I would say the passage of the bill. It shows a great faith in the Masterton district and the purposes of the bill.
Copeland Gordon: Business of the House 
Copeland Gordon: Business of the House 
[Volume:609;Page:6608] 
GORDON COPELAND (United Future) 
: 
 I would like to test the mood of the House. This has been a very emotional evening I think for all of us. The vote has been very very close and I wonder therefore whether the members might be prepared to consider whether the House should now adjourn. I am seeking leave that the House adjourn at this point. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The member can seek leave. Is there any objection? There is.
Dunne Peter: Hazardous Substances and New Organisms (Genetically Modified Organisms Moratorium Reinstatement) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Dunne Peter: Hazardous Substances and New Organisms (Genetically Modified Organisms Moratorium Reinstatement) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:624;Page:19296] 
Hon PETER DUNNE (Leader—United Future) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I did not want to interrupt the member when he was speaking but on a number of occasions during his speech he referred to the sponsor of the bill in very familiar terms. As I understand Speakers’ rulings we refer to members by either their electorate or their full name certainly not by their first name. I wonder given the fact that you did not pull the member up whether there has been a change in that state of affairs.
Hunt Jonathan: Points of Order — Referral to Privileges Committee Apologies in the Chamber Question Time 
Hunt Jonathan: Points of Order — Referral to Privileges Committee Apologies in the Chamber Question Time 
[Volume:612;Page:9035] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I hereby present a report of the Controller and Auditor-General entitled  
Co-ordination and Collaboration in the Criminal Justice Sector 
 and a draft agreement on policing functions within the parliamentary precincts.
Hunt Jonathan: Points of Order — Resource Management Amendment Bill (No 2) Questions for Written Answer 
Hunt Jonathan: Points of Order — Resource Management Amendment Bill (No 2) Questions for Written Answer 
[Volume:607;Page:4270] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Could the member please be seated for a moment. I advise members that I will give this 2 or 3 days before I rule. Any member can come and see me and give me his or her opinion about this matter. I do not think it needs to take up the time of the House though because members can write to me about it and they will have every opportunity when I present my ruling. 
Hon RICHARD PREBBLE 
: Well you have allowed me to complete my point Mr Speaker but I am afraid that waiting 3 days will not do. My understanding is that this matter is down on the Order Paper for today. It is the first item up. It is a direct challenge to the way in which business in this House is done. We are all aware of what has happened. The Government got a bill then looked at it and realised that it had 18 parts. It decided to put the same bill forward going through a travesty of pretending that it was a different bill sending it to a select committee to come back within a week. It is now saying that it wants to debate that bill this afternoon. That bill has only two parts. In other words it is not a halving of the discussion; it is bringing it down to about one-eighth of the discussion that we would otherwise have had. No doubt Mr Cullen was very angry when he realised that Parliament would have this opportunity to discuss it but I think it would be appropriate for you Mr Speaker to suggest to the Government that it might like to put off the new Resource Management Amendment Bill (No 2) until you have had the 3 days that you need to decide that it is a travesty of this House for the Government to do such a thing.
Brown Peter: Business of the House 
Brown Peter: Business of the House 
[Volume:625;Page:20475] 
PETER BROWN (Deputy Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 I seek leave for the Principles of the Treaty of Waitangi Deletion Bill to be deferred to the next members’ day. 
Gerry Brownlee 
: We ask for a reason otherwise we just get confused. 
PETER BROWN 
: I am prepared to give a reason. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Please do. 
PETER BROWN 
: I did actually outline this in my previous request for leave. We made an error of judgment. We did not anticipate the urgent debate and we were hopeful that Mr Peters’ bill would come up before the tea break. He has travel arrangements this evening to be somewhere else tomorrow so we are seeking leave to postpone the bill to the next members’ day. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Is there any objection to that course of action being taken? There is objection.
Ward Mike: Civil Aviation Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
Ward Mike: Civil Aviation Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
[Volume:615;Page:11204] 
MIKE WARD (Green) 
: 
 On listening to the submitters on this bill and to members in the House one would get the feeling that flying is an exceedingly hazardous business! 
The mutual recognition clause rang some warning bells in my head. I was thinking to myself that if we sign it can we rely on the Australians to sign it too? It comes into effect when the Australians have signed appropriate legislation to echo our own. 
We discussed at some length whether civil aviation should be liable for delays. Other passenger services do not have to be but it was thought that air passengers run the risk of having their flights cancelled and of being put on a later flight because there are not enough passengers. It seemed not at all unreasonable that if an airline chose to do that it should meet the expense of accommodating the people so delayed. 
The dangerous substances issue was dealt with at some length and other speakers have spoken about it. We saw a video that showed that certain substances that on their own might be harmless could indeed be dangerous when combined with others. Although some of us would not know that we were taking those substances on board there are some people who would deliberately smuggle them on board. Tradesmen for example who know that it would be too much fuss to get them on the plane in the official way might try to get them on board in their luggage. It is important that if people do that they are subject to the penalties that go with it. 
As for unruly passengers I myself having travelled back and forth have not seen too many but I believe they do exist. I imagine that unruly behaviour is more likely to happen on international flights. All that is served these days on the other flights is water and it is pretty hard to get carried away on water even if it is in a plastic container. 
The Greens support the bill. It is one of those pieces of legislation that virtually everybody supports. All the submitters supported it all the parties supported it and we are supporting it. 
Bill read a second time.
Hughes Darren: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Hughes Darren: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:622;Page:17305] 
10.  
DARREN HUGHES (Labour—Otaki) 
 to the  
Associate Minister of Health 
:What response has he received to the public forums that he has chaired on “P” alcohol and other drugs? 
Hon JIM ANDERTON (Associate Minister of Health) 
: 
 The feedback I am receiving is that many members of the public who have attended the meetings held so far in Tauranga Waitakere Manukau and Morrinsville have found them helpful because the panel of officials from various agencies including customs police health and education agencies are able to outline where communities can get help in the campaign to minimise harm caused by alcohol and drugs. I have found that the meetings so far have led to a good two-way dialogue between the officials of various Government agencies on the one hand and members of the public on the other which has resulted in information and ideas being shared on how individuals and communities can move forward. 
Darren Hughes 
: What substances have members of the public who work on the ground identified to him as causing them most concern; and if substances have been identified what recent reports has the Minister received on those? 
Hon JIM ANDERTON 
: Without question alcohol—or should I say the misuse of alcohol—is in the view of most independent agencies such as the police far and away the single biggest cause of pain suffering and ill health in our communities. The ministerial committee on drugs and alcohol which I chair received a report at its August meeting advising that the international evidence relating to raising the minimum legal drinking age from 18 or 19 years to 20 or 21 years showed that lower alcohol consumption reduced traffic injuries reduced non-traffic injuries and probable sexual health benefits for young people would be the most likely result. 
Judith Collins 
: What response has the Associate Minister received in his public forums to police instructing their front-line staff not to actively hunt for P laboratories? 
Hon JIM ANDERTON 
: None whatsoever. Every senior police person whom I have spoken to has denied absolutely that that is true. 
Judy Turner 
: Does the Minister agree that the public particularly parents have good reason to be concerned about the proposal to develop a fourth regulatory class under the Misuse of Drugs Act as this leaves the door wide open for cannabis to be slipped into this category and be controlled only by age-limits and marketing requirements; or will he give a guarantee that cannabis will remain a class C drug? 
Hon JIM ANDERTON 
: This coalition Government has an absolute agreement that no such step would be taken in its term of office.
Parker David: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Parker David: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
[Volume:611;Page:8254] 
DAVID PARKER (NZ Labour—Otago) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. The honourable member Dr Nick Smith sought leave of the House to table the minutes. That does not impose upon him any obligation to table the minutes. I too sought leave to— 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I wish the member would read the Standing Orders. If he says he has leave to table them he is expected to table them. If he does not then he faces the— 
Hon Member 
: It’s optional. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I agree with that. It is still optional. I have now been assured by the member that he will table the minutes and every member of the House heard him give that assurance.
Peters Jim: Charities Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
Peters Jim: Charities Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:625;Page:19976] 
JIM PETERS (NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. The last speaker in her opening remarks slurred the New Zealand First Party which did not vote for the Local Government Act 2002 and therefore was not responsible for the charges that she said resulted from that Act.
Vote: Children’s Commissioner Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Children’s Commissioner Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:613;Page:9903] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the schedules as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 107 
New Zealand Labour 52; New Zealand National 25; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8. 
Noes 9 
ACT New Zealand 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Schedules as amended agreed to. 
Bill reported with amendment.
Brownlee Gerry: Points of Order — Messages from Governor-General 
Brownlee Gerry: Points of Order — Messages from Governor-General 
[Volume:607;Page:4531] 
GERRY BROWNLEE (NZ National—Ilam) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. The Governor-General sent us a message before and we listened appropriately to that message but was that to ask the House to afford an appropriation for a bill that has not yet been passed? 
Mr SPEAKER 
: That has to be done or the bill cannot be passed.
Beyer Georgina: Civil Union Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Beyer Georgina: Civil Union Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:622;Page:17449] 
GEORGINA BEYER (Labour—Wairarapa) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. Notwithstanding the previous ruling that you have just handed down could the term “dressed up in drag”—which I might find offensive as well—fit into the ruling that you just gave? 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich) 
: I am quite aware of that and that is why I asked members to have regard for other members in this Chamber. I find that if the word “homophobic” is offensive any reference to the word “drag” and saying that this bill is “marriage in drag” is just as offensive. Members could go on today and tomorrow being pulled up for all sorts of words. Members should have regard for that please.
Mapp Wayne: Parole (Extended Supervision) Amendment Bill Sentencing Amendment Bill (No 2) — Third Readings 
Mapp Wayne: Parole (Extended Supervision) Amendment Bill Sentencing Amendment Bill (No 2) — Third Readings 
[Volume:618;Page:14197] 
Dr WAYNE MAPP (National—North Shore) 
: 
 The Government may not like to hear that it voted against disallowing home detention for violent and sexual offenders. It had the opportunity tonight to fix up a glaring omission—one that it is questioned on time and again in the House—and the Minister tried to say it is all right. The Government had the opportunity tonight to vote to stop that and it failed. All the Opposition parties with the exception of the Government’s little helpers the Green Party voted in support of that proposal. Why did the Government not do that? 
I want to make this very brief point. On Sunday there will be a revolution in our criminal justice system. The public will get a real choice. This Government will be left hapless and helpless because it introduced parole eligibility at one-third of the sentence. The Government stands condemned for that and will be forever. That is why Mr Goff is ridiculed up and down the country. The legislation may be a small and modest improvement—that is why National is supporting it—but the philosophy of the two bills is ultimately bankrupt and it will be changed. 
Debate interrupted.
Points of Order — National Party Leadership 
Points of Order — National Party Leadership 
[Volume:613;Page:9621] 
Points of Order 
National Party Leadership 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I seek leave that at the end of this day’s question time there be a debate for 1½ hours on the issue of the National Party’s change of leadership. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The member has properly sought leave. Is there any objection? There is. 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. As Leader of the House I just wish to make it clear that we do not have enough time to do that every time the National Party changes its leader. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: As is so often the case that was not a point of order. 
Hon KEN SHIRLEY (Deputy Leader—ACT) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. There is a long tradition in this House that when a political party does elect a new leader that is acknowledged in the House. I would like to take this opportunity to congratulate Dr Brash. I am sure he will prove to be a very worthy leader of a very worthy party and wish him every best wish in his new role. I would also like to acknowledge Bill English in the role that he played in leading the National Party also. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: That may well be the member’s view but that is the first time I have heard that particularly done in this House. 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I want to move on to questions. I do not want any more frivolous points of order. 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS 
: It is not a frivolous point of order. I therefore now seek leave for an urgent debate to take place on the issue of the National Party’s leadership after question time tomorrow—in which case he will be more permanent in his job. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought for that to occur. Is there any objection? There is.
Robson Matt: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Robson Matt: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:620;Page:15670] 
12.  
Hon MATT ROBSON (Deputy Leader—Progressive) 
 to the  
Minister for Economic Development 
: What initiatives is the Labour-Progressive coalition Government taking to encourage major sporting cultural or business events to be held in New Zealand? 
Hon JIM ANDERTON (Minister for Economic Development) 
: 
 Today I am announcing a detailed Major Events Strategy which will help to position New Zealand as a highly competitive and desirable destination for the hosting of major events. The strategy has been developed to select events to be supported by the major events support fund that will maximise the economic social cultural and international benefits to New Zealanders on a long-term basis. The 2004 Budget provided $12 million to support that work over the next 4 years. 
Hon Matt Robson 
: What criteria are used to decide whether a major event is to be supported by the Government? 
Hon JIM ANDERTON 
: There are three strategic criteria: economic development opportunities social and cultural benefits and international exposure. Economic development opportunities of regional and national significance may come from for example generating foreign exchange earnings increasing tourism in a region or building sector capacity. International exposure can be gained from international media coverage which can stimulate interest in New Zealand for future events of tourism potential. Social and cultural benefits may come from an event that develops and promotes high achievement for New Zealanders in the arts culture and heritage area or in sporting success.
Tamihere John: Fair Trading Amendment Bill (No 3) — In Committee 
Tamihere John: Fair Trading Amendment Bill (No 3) — In Committee 
[Volume:609;Page:6842] 
Hon JOHN TAMIHERE (Minister of Youth Affairs) 
: I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Goff Phil: Prisoners' and Victims' Claims Bill — First Reading 
Goff Phil: Prisoners' and Victims' Claims Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:622;Page:18004] 
Hon PHIL GOFF (Minister of Justice) 
: 
 I move  
That the Prisoners' and Victims' Claims Bill be referred to the Justice and Electoral Committee for consideration that the committee present its final report on or before 4 April 2005 and that the committee have the authority to meet at any time during a sitting of the House except during questions for oral answer during an evening on a day on which there has been a sitting of the House and on a Friday in a week in which there has been a sitting of the House despite Standing Orders 191 and 194(1)(b) and (c). 
referred to Justice and Electoral Committee
Horomia Parekura: Maori Television Service Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled 
Horomia Parekura: Maori Television Service Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled 
[Volume:607;Page:4986] 
Hon PAREKURA HOROMIA (Minister of Maori Affairs) 
: 
 I move  
That it be an instruction to the Committee of the whole House on the Maori Television Service Bill that it take the bill part by part and consider any schedules as one question.
Hartley Ann: Wellington Regional Council (Water Board Functions) Bill — Third Reading 
Hartley Ann: Wellington Regional Council (Water Board Functions) Bill — Third Reading 
[Volume:624;Page:19272] 
Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Before the dinner break the House was debating the Wellington Regional Council (Water Board Functions) Bill. Sandra Goudie was speaking and she has 7 minutes remaining if she so wishes.
Brownlee Gerry: Business Statement 
Brownlee Gerry: Business Statement 
[Volume:612;Page:9249] 
GERRY BROWNLEE (National—Ilam) 
: 
 I thank the Leader of the House for that outline of next week’s programme. I note that the urgency motion appears to be quite light and there is little in it to suggest it needs to be done urgently. Can the Leader of the House give us an assurance that question time will occur on Wednesday and Thursday of next week? I note that question time has been difficult for the Government of late; it is of course the Opposition’s chance to probe the Government on its programme.
Vote: Charities Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
Vote: Charities Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:625;Page:19973] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 74 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand First 13; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 44 
New Zealand National 27; ACT New Zealand 7; Green Party 9; Maori Party 1. 
Amendment agreed to.
Simich Clem: Voting — Correction 
Simich Clem: Voting — Correction 
[Volume:619;Page:14592] 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Clem Simich) 
: It has been brought to my notice that there needs to be a correction to a vote taken in Committee on the Fisheries Amendment Bill ( No 4). The result of the closure on clause 68 was incorrectly announced as Ayes 75 Noes 21. The correct result is Ayes 75 Noes 41.
Vote: Injury Prevention Rehabilitation and Compensation Amendment Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Injury Prevention Rehabilitation and Compensation Amendment Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:609;Page:6486] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 69 
Labour 52; Green Party 9; United Future 8. 
Noes 47 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 12; ACT New Zealand 8. 
Motion agreed to.
Vote: Border Security Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Border Security Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:618;Page:13749] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 54 
New Zealand National 26; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 7; United Future 8. 
Motion agreed to.
Hide Rodney: General Debate 
Hide Rodney: General Debate 
[Volume:621;Page:16335] 
RODNEY HIDE (Leader—ACT) 
: 
 I wish to make a personal explanation. I want to assure the Speaker and the House that I am not being paid to be a member of Parliament as Trevor Mallard asserts and Clayton Cosgrove implies. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: In the words of the member as he has stated them his word must be accepted.
Pettis Jill: Immigration Amendment Bill — Instructions to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Pettis Jill: Immigration Amendment Bill — Instructions to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:611;Page:8291] 
JILL PETTIS (Junior Whip—NZ Labour) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Vote: Resource Management (Waitaki Catchment) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Resource Management (Waitaki Catchment) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:620;Page:15411] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That schedule 2 as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 75 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand First 13; United Future 8; Progressive 2; Maori Party 1. 
Noes 45 
New Zealand National 27; Green Party 9; ACT New Zealand 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Schedule 2 as amended agreed to.
Prebble Richard: Building Bill — In Committee Procedure 
Prebble Richard: Building Bill — In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:619;Page:14862] 
Hon Richard Prebble 
: Is it retrospective? Are there 50000 buildings in Waitakere City that are going to be unsaleable? 
LINDSAY TISCH 
: That is right. They do not have code compliance. The clause states that it is illegal and an offence for residential property developers to transfer household units without a code compliance certificate. 
I say to the Minister that National is not supporting the bill because the sort of nonsense appearing here affects the lives of innocent people who do not know the importance of code compliance certificates. The same issue came up in Northland. An official from the Far North District Council submitted that there were thousands of homes up there that were substandard. What will happen to those people when the bill comes into effect? Will they be out on the street? We know that housing is a major issue in some parts of the country. I do not know what it is like over on the East Coast. In Northland it is a major issue and this bill is wrong.
Hobbs Marian: Public Records Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
Hobbs Marian: Public Records Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:625;Page:19987] 
Hon MARIAN HOBBS (Minister responsible for Archives New Zealand) 
: 
 Continuing from last evening on the second reading of the Public Records Bill I will address the question of access to records under the bill. 
With the passage of the Official Information Act back in 1982 Parliament established a clear intention that Government information is to be open unless there are good reasons to withhold access. This bill clarifies the relationship between the Official Information Act and archival access mechanisms and confirms that the principle of availability is maintained unless there are good reasons to withhold access—and some of those reasons can be about privacy. It also ensures that the Ombudsman will continue to be the final arbiter of access to Government information for members of the public. I expect that open access to the vast majority of records held by Archives New Zealand will continue. 
I am very happy to commend this bill to the House.
Peters Winston: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Peters Winston: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:625;Page:19750] 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 Yes. My colleague seeks to know whether the figures the Minister is using are for sworn officers—yes or no.
Pettis Jill: New Organisms and Other Matters Bill — In Committee 
Pettis Jill: New Organisms and Other Matters Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:612;Page:8927] 
JILL PETTIS (Junior Whip—NZ Labour) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
[Volume:610;Page:7267] 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I suggest that all these votes be debated as one debate but that at the end we have a separate vote on each one. Is there any objection to that course of action being taken? There appears to be none.
Carter John: Wellington City Council (Te Aro Reclamation) Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
Carter John: Wellington City Council (Te Aro Reclamation) Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
[Volume:619;Page:14628] 
JOHN CARTER (National—Northland) 
: 
 I will take just a quick call to say that the National Party supports this bill. The member who has just resumed her seat has set it out very clearly and the important thing is that all that Parliament is doing is making it possible for the local council and the local community to have an input. That is a very positive thing. This is a local issue that needs to be decided by local people and we support that.
Vote: Resource Management (Aquaculture Moratorium Extension) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Vote: Resource Management (Aquaculture Moratorium Extension) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:614;Page:10629] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Resource Management (Aquaculture Moratorium Extension) Amendment Bill be now read a first time. 
Ayes 69 
New Zealand Labour 52; Green Party 9; United Future 8. 
Noes 48 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 7; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Bill read a first time.
Peters Winston: Points of Order — Chamber—Absence of Members 
Peters Winston: Points of Order — Chamber—Absence of Members 
[Volume:624;Page:19307] 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 I want to protest on behalf of New Zealand First at the way the question time has been conducted thus far today. It has been a gross waste of time as have the points of order as has the reference to the absence of members. In the case of the ACT members it is very obvious why it is—they are getting used to being out of the House permanently in a few months’ time and I could say it is the same for the back bench over there. It is 20 past 2 and some of us have to catch an aeroplane. We are just wasting the whole time and I think it is totally unacceptable.
Peck Mark: New Organisms and Other Matters Bill — In Committee 
Peck Mark: New Organisms and Other Matters Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:611;Page:8859] 
MARK PECK (NZ Labour—Invercargill) 
: 
 Very simply this matter has been extensively canvassed by the Education and Science Committee. The member might have had a point if there had been no select committee process. But there has been a very full debate in the select committee so there are no grounds for you to do anything other than chair the Committee in accordance with normal procedures.
Parliamentary Service Commission — Membership 
Parliamentary Service Commission — Membership 
[Volume:619;Page:14876] 
Parliamentary Service Commission 
Membership 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I move  
That pursuant to sections 15(1)(d) and 17(2)(a) of the Parliamentary Service Act 2000 Rodney Hide be appointed as a member of the Parliamentary Service Commission in place of the Hon Richard Prebble and Simon Power be appointed in place of John Carter and pursuant to section 15(1)(d) and (2)(a) of that Act Tariana Turia be appointed as a member of the commission 
. 
Motion agreed to.
Mark Ron: Points of Order — Question No. 7 to Minister 18 November  Question No. 6 to Minister 18 November National Party Leadership—Special Debate 
Mark Ron: Points of Order — Question No. 7 to Minister 18 November  Question No. 6 to Minister 18 November National Party Leadership—Special Debate 
[Volume:613;Page:10137] 
RON MARK (NZ First) 
: 
I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I draw your attention to the answer to oral question No. 6 yesterday in the process of which the Minister of Transport made this statement: “For example the police used to be sitting in cars and vans monitoring speed cameras. They do not do it any more because we think they should be doing other things.” People have rung my office and said that on a frequent basis they see speed cameras on the highway between Belfast and Rangiora that are staffed by police officers. In the interests of not misleading the House I invite through you Mr Speaker the Minister to make a correction to his clearly inaccurate statement.  
Mr SPEAKER 
: No there is no procedural issue for me to rule on. There are various steps that the member can take if he wishes to do so.
Carter David: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Carter David: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:611;Page:8612] 
Hon DAVID CARTER (NZ National) 
: 
 Noting that Mr Hodgson is not available to answer this question I seek leave to hold the question over to the next sitting day. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to hold the question over. Is there any objection? There is. Please ask the question.
Power Simon: Railways Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
Power Simon: Railways Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:625;Page:19907] 
SIMON POWER (Senior Whip—National) 
: 
 My understanding from Mr Williamson is that the Minister has indicated he will make a contribution prior to the question being put on Part 1 only. Presumably because you have put the question members will need to seek leave for the Minister to make a contribution prior to that vote being taken. If that is the case I seek leave accordingly. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: I have not completed putting the question.
Adams Paul: Hazardous Substances and New Organisms (Stockholm Convention) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Adams Paul: Hazardous Substances and New Organisms (Stockholm Convention) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:606;Page:3661] 
PAUL ADAMS (United Future) 
: 
 United Future will be supporting this bill going to the select committee. As we have heard the two bills tie in together. This is really just dealing with the Stockholm Convention aspect of the bill and most things have already been said about it. Our gallant leader the Hon Peter Dunne will chair that committee and so I have no doubt that we will have his normal common sense approach as the committee deals with all the issues.
Vote: Electricity and Gas Industries Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Electricity and Gas Industries Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:620;Page:15719] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be put. 
Ayes 70 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 47 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 12; ACT New Zealand 8. 
Motion agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Roger Sowry be agreed to: 
to amend section 172ZC(1A) of the principal Act by adding the following new paragraph: 
(d)any levy must only be determined by the Commission after full consultation with all the relevant industry groups including consumers.
Vote: Debate on Prime Minister’s Statement 
Vote: Debate on Prime Minister’s Statement 
[Volume:615;Page:11020] 
A party vote was called for on the question That the amendment be amended by omitting all the words after “this House has no confidence in the Labour-led Government because” and the following words inserted: “That Government has no policies to raise New Zealand’s living standards back to the mid part of the OECD; it complacently accepts more than 300000 working-age adults being dependent on benefits and it continues down the dangerous road of promoting policies commenced by Labour and continued and promoted by National that treat New Zealanders differently on the basis of their race.” 
Ayes 22 
New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Noes 98 
New Zealand Labour 52; New Zealand National 27; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Ayes 31 
New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; ACT New Zealand 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Noes 89 
New Zealand Labour 52; New Zealand National 27; United Future 8;  Progressive 2. 
Amendment to the amendment not agreed to.Amendment not agreed to. 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That all the words after “this House has no confidence” be omitted and substituted with the following words: “in the Labour-led minority Government because despite there being some positive elements in its programme its decision to allow the release of genetically engineered organisms exposes our health our environment and our economy to significant and quite unnecessary risks.”
Vote: Counter-Terrorism Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Vote: Counter-Terrorism Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:612;Page:9364] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 9 
Green Party 9. 
Noes 108 
New Zealand Labour 52; New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 8. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Keith Locke to clause 14D be agreed to: 
to insert the following new clause: 
14DLegitimate protest reaffirmed 
Section 5(5) of the principal Act is amended by removing after the words “is not” the words “ by itself”.
Carter Chris: Legislation (Incorporation by Reference) Bill — In Committee 
Carter Chris: Legislation (Incorporation by Reference) Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:625;Page:19829] 
Hon CHRIS CARTER (Minister for Building Issues) 
 on behalf of the Minister of Commerce: I move  
That the Committee divide the bill into the Building Amendment Bill (No 3) the Commerce Amendment Bill (No 4) the Copyright Amendment Bill and the Health Amendment Bill  
divided into Building Amendment Bill (No 3) Commerce Amendment Bill (No 4) Copyright Amendment Bill Health Amendment Bill  
pursuant to Supplementary Order Paper 355 
.
Jones Dail: Reserves and Other Lands Disposal Bill — Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
Jones Dail: Reserves and Other Lands Disposal Bill — Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:612;Page:9294] 
DAIL JONES (NZ First) 
: 
 New Zealand First supports in principle the establishment of the Dobson dam and its development and many of the things that are said about it in the House today.However however this bill is the Reserves and Other Lands Disposal Bill. It is not the vehicle for an amendment to establish the Dobson dam process. It is well established as anyone with any knowledge of parliamentary procedure would know that this legislation is totally the wrong approach and New Zealand First will oppose any amendment although I must say I look forward to seeing it yet.
Vote: Fisheries Amendment Bill (No 4) — Second Reading 
Vote: Fisheries Amendment Bill (No 4) — Second Reading 
[Volume:618;Page:14494] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Fisheries Amendment Bill (No 4) be now read a second time. 
Ayes 106 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand National 23; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 8; Progressive 2; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Noes 9 
Green Party 9. 
Bill read a second time.
Pettis Jill: Human Assisted Reproductive Technology Bill — Recommittal In Committee Third Reading Procedure 
Pettis Jill: Human Assisted Reproductive Technology Bill — Recommittal In Committee Third Reading Procedure 
[Volume:621;Page:16854] 
JILL PETTIS (Senior Whip—Labour) 
: 
 I do not wish to extend this debate. The issue that Mr Brown has raised and I respect the reasons for his raising it has been laboured considerably at the Business Committee over a period of weeks and it has been suggested that this is a Standing Orders issue and that Mr Brown has been invited to write to the Standing Orders Committee which is the appropriate committee where this kind of issue can be resolved. The Government voted 51 in favour. We do not need to declare who voted for it—we all voted for it. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Clem Simich) 
: Leave was sought there was objection and there the matter ends. I do not see any way through it from our position here but it certainly can be taken further at another time and be dealt with. I am sure those names would be volunteered.
Franks Stephen: Motions — Motion on Iraq 
Franks Stephen: Motions — Motion on Iraq 
[Volume:607;Page:5033] 
STEPHEN FRANKS (ACT NZ) 
: 
 I seek leave to move without notice a non-debatable motion congratulating our former allies in the coalition of the willing on the liberation of the people of Baghdad. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought for that purpose. Is there any objection? There is objection.
Simich Clem: Television New Zealand Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Simich Clem: Television New Zealand Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:606;Page:3757] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich) 
: An amendment in the name of Marc Alexander to add words to the Minister’s new clause 10(2)(a)(ix) is out of order because it is inconsistent with the one the Committee has just agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Sue Kedgley to new clause 10 set out on Supplementary Order Paper 57 in the name of the Hon Steve Maharey be agreed to: 
to insert in subparagraph (x) of subclause (2)(a) before the words “New Zealand film and television industry” the word “independent”. 
Amendment to the amendment agreed to.
Burton Mark: Biosecurity Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
Burton Mark: Biosecurity Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
[Volume:609;Page:7075] 
Hon MARK BURTON (Minister of Defence) 
: 
 Not all parties support their bills but this is our bill it is a good bill and I am really pleased to support its third reading.
Wilson Margaret: Points of Order — Member's Withdrawal from Chamber—Sandra Goudie 
Wilson Margaret: Points of Order — Member's Withdrawal from Chamber—Sandra Goudie 
[Volume:624;Page:19646] 
Madam SPEAKER 
: I take the member’s point. As has come from the debate during question time today there will be a much stricter application of all the rules in the future.
Hunt Jonathan:  
Hunt Jonathan:  
[Volume:607;Page:4109] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I regard this as one of the most serious debates— 
Rt Hon Winston Peters 
: So do we all. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: There will not be any interruption while I am on my feet. I regard this as one of the most important debates. I want every member who wants to speak to be able to have his or her say and to be heard. I do not want there to be running interjections. I want people to be treated as they should be in a democracy so that they can express their views properly. As this is a very important debate I want to hear members in silence.