Seymour DavidDAVID SEYMOUR (Leader—ACT): Thank you Madam Chair and I want to thank Brett Hudson for reminding me of the leak during the firearm buy-back process using the Government's SAP programme. But in fairness to me it's actually difficult to keep up with the number of leaks with this Government. I suggest maybe actually what the Government should be doing is establishing a register of its leaks rather than a register of firearms—then we could all keep up.I also acknowledge that the point Brett Hudson makes about how the must issue a licence to people who are a fit and proper person" was a change made in the select committee and a very good one. The fact it wasn't there originally tells you what sort of attitude this Government has towards licensed firearms owners. They wanted to make it so that even if you passed all the legal tests you couldn't have it.On the commencement I want to just talk about the sequence of events here. The commencement says that it's going to come into play after a given period of time. Now in recent times this Parliament has actually had some quite novel arrangements around commencement sections. For example the End of Life Choice Act only comes into force if deemed voted to be so by the New Zealand public at a referendum taking place at the election. I think there's an opportunity for the Minister to actually be a bit creative and say that the legislation here shouldn't come into force until after we've had the benefit of the royal commission because we had a back and forth debate in here earlier where it was asked "Does the Minister really know if he's solving the problems that led to our nation's tragedy in Christchurch?" Does he know that the rules that already exist have been enforced?" The Minister having been challenged several times stood up and effectively said "I don't know."Now Stuart Nash is a very able politician. I remember him campaigning in Epsom in 2005 so he's smart enough not to say "I don't know." but anyone watching could say that's the fact of the matter. He said "I don't know. I'm waiting for the royal commission." Now the royal commission may answer—and I think the Minister is saying "will answer"—critical questions about whether the previous laws were fit for purpose whether they were followed and by extension whether the changes in this Arms Legislation Bill actually solve the problem.There's an opportunity here for instance—the Minister could amend the commencement clause if he wanted to to say "This legislation comes into force at such time that Parliament is satisfied it's addressed the findings of the royal commission." That would be a sensible thing to do and there's a number of ways that such a commencement clause could be done. It could be done by leave. I can't speak for the National Party but they're generally fairly constructive folks; I think they would give leave—ACT certainly would—for this legislation to go back to a select committee that would review it in light of the royal commission.Brett Hudson: We'll support that.DAVID SEYMOUR: Yeah well the National Party's saying already—I mean they've only just heard the idea but it's so good that they're supporting it already. And you know that select committee could actually look hard at—you know given what the royal commission's told us because the royal commission's got former Russell McVeagh lawyers on it; it's a high-powered expensive thing.We want to make sure that we use its findings to make better laws surely. We could actually say that this law doesn't commence until Parliament's satisfied with the legislation addressing the issues arising from the royal commission report on our nation's tragedy in Christchurch. Then Parliament you know putting aside the election—because it's not a political process but a law-making process—we could actually have a select committee and that select committee could have a mandate instructions from the House to go and say "Does this law measure up given what we now know as a result of the royal commission?" I think that would be really smart. It would be innovative. It's the kind of constructive thing that I know that Stuart Nash really believes and I hope he'll get up and say he's going to commit to alter the commencement clause so we can actually have another look at this bill after we know what's in the royal commission. Thank you Madam Chair."