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Cunliffe David: Taxation (Annual Rates Returns Filing and Remedial Matters) Bill — Third Reading 
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Cunliffe David: Taxation (Annual Rates Returns Filing and Remedial Matters) Bill — Third Reading 
[Sitting date: 25 October 2012. Volume:685;Page:6254. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon DAVID CUNLIFFE (Labour—New Lynn) 
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 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. Under the Standing Orders of Parliament when a member feels that they have been misrepresented the rules are that they should not interrupt the speaker as you know and they should wait to take a point of order at the end of the speech. That is what I am so doing. The member is of course fabricating the idea— 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Order! So— 
Hon DAVID CUNLIFFE 
: Mr Speaker you have not with respect heard the point I am about to make which was the source of the misrepresentation. 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Continue. 
Hon DAVID CUNLIFFE 
: The member is simply making it up that Labour has—
Roy Eric: Taxation (Annual Rates Returns Filing and Remedial Matters) Bill — Third Reading 
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Roy Eric: Taxation (Annual Rates Returns Filing and Remedial Matters) Bill — Third Reading 
[Sitting date: 25 October 2012. Volume:685;Page:6251. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: This is a split call. The Hon Clayton Cosgrove.
Vote: Climate Change Response (Emissions Trading and Other Matters) Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
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Vote: Climate Change Response (Emissions Trading and Other Matters) Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
[Sitting date: 25 October 2012. Volume:685;Page:6236. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Climate Change Response (Emissions Trading and Other Matters) Amendment Bill be now read a second time. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 59 
New Zealand Labour 33; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 3; Mana 1. 
Bill read a second time.
Vote: Climate Change Response (Emissions Trading and Other Matters) Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
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Vote: Climate Change Response (Emissions Trading and Other Matters) Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
[Sitting date: 25 October 2012. Volume:685;Page:6235. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be agreed to. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 59 
New Zealand Labour 33; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 3; Mana 1. 
Question agreed to.
Barry Maggie: Climate Change Response (Emissions Trading and Other Matters) Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
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Barry Maggie: Climate Change Response (Emissions Trading and Other Matters) Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
[Sitting date: 25 October 2012. Volume:685;Page:6235. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
MAGGIE BARRY (National—North Shore) 
: 
 I rise as a member of the Finance and Expenditure Committee to talk about this Climate Change Response (Emissions Trading and Other Matters) Amendment Bill in its second reading. 
I must say I find it a bit rich to hear the Greens talking about chicanery when their idea about printing money must be the ultimate piece of political trickery to achieve political gain—a piece of nonsense much like their notions around the submitters that came before us. As our esteemed chair of the Finance and Expenditure Committee Todd McClay outlined earlier we did receive 803 submissions we heard 19 hours of evidence and there were 73 submitters. The Greens have dismissed those who do not agree with their dogma. I would not be so arrogant and in fact I reject what they have said because we as a party and we as a select committee have indeed listened to the submitters and taken note of them. 
Let us have a little look at some of them. Business New Zealand represents a mere 76000 employers. It thought the bill and its amendments were excellent. It said that the bill reflects New Zealand’s contribution to global emissions and our specific emissions problem. It is well-balanced between the needs of taxpayers business and consumers. It also says that it avoids a knee-jerk short-term fix based on current low carbon prices—something that Labour and the Greens seem very preoccupied with. 
Export New Zealand also made excellent points which once again were ignored by the Opposition because they did not suit its particular dogmas. Export New Zealand said that it was very concerned about maintaining the international competitiveness of our exporters and was very opposed to any strengthening of the emissions trading scheme. It commended the bill because of the increased stringency in the scheme which if it did go ahead would increase costs and undermine our international competitiveness at a time when exporters are struggling with a high and volatile dollar. These were all excellent points and unlike the arrogance of the Opposition we listened to them carefully. 
In this speech I will give the last word to the sponsor of this bill the Minister for Climate Change Issues the Hon Tim Groser. When the bill went through its first reading he said that “The objectives of the Bill are to ensure the ETS is flexible enough to cater for a range of international outcomes between 2013 and 2020 improve the operation and administration of the ETS and change the current treatment of the synthetic greenhouse gases sector in the ETS.” I agree with the Minister and I support this bill and commend it to the House. 
The question was put that the amendments recommended by the Finance and Expenditure Committee by majority be agreed to.
Tisch Lindsay: Climate Change Response (Emissions Trading and Other Matters) Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
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Tisch Lindsay: Climate Change Response (Emissions Trading and Other Matters) Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
[Sitting date: 25 October 2012. Volume:685;Page:6232. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch) 
: I understand this is a split call. I call Dr David Clark.
Bennett David: Climate Change Response (Emissions Trading and Other Matters) Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
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Bennett David: Climate Change Response (Emissions Trading and Other Matters) Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
[Sitting date: 25 October 2012. Volume:685;Page:6232. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
DAVID BENNETT (National—Hamilton East) 
: 
 That speech from Charles Chauvel deserves an absolute F for failure to actually deliver any arguments around the issue. It is pretty pretentious of the Labour Party the Green Party and New Zealand First in this Parliament here this afternoon when they come in here and do not actually talk about the real issues. The real issues are that they want to increase the costs of living for ordinary New Zealanders. That is what the Opposition wants to do. 
Charles Chauvel 
: That’s absolutely right! 
DAVID BENNETT 
: It is. It is. It is exactly what the Labour Party wants to do. They will hide behind the guise of the international price of carbon but the reality is that the Labour Party Green Party and New Zealand First Party want to set a price for carbon. They want to set a price at $10. They do not want to have the international price at $1; they want to set a price at $10 because they have been going— 
Charles Chauvel 
: No we want the market to do it actually. 
DAVID BENNETT 
: Yes they agree. They say that they are going to set a price. That is the whole reasoning behind why they want to do it and that will put costs on ordinary New Zealanders. If this Parliament was to set a price at $10 or $12 or whatever those parties think is satisfactory to promote the forestry industry and to make them go to bed at night thinking that they have saved the world when they actually have not that will hurt ordinary New Zealanders in their power bills and in their cost of living. 
Look at what has happened in Australia. In Australia you have got inflation at 2 percent now. The Government there has gone and put these kinds of carbon taxes on its communities and it has delivered high inflation. Ordinary Australians who are trying to make a go in very difficult times are finding it very very difficult. That is what you would get under the Opposition parties here because the direct impact of their policy would make it harder for ordinary New Zealanders to get by. That is a real disgrace for those parties in this House. None of them talk about the price and none of them talk about the impact on New Zealanders; they talk about these high and mighty ideals of saving the world and how we need to do that. Well get in the real world. Get out there and see how it is to earn some money and see how it is to actually pay the bills because you will not be so high and mighty there; you will be looking at what is the best and the balanced way to deliver for your people. Thank you.
Hayes John: Climate Change Response (Emissions Trading and Other Matters) Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
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[Sitting date: 25 October 2012. Volume:685;Page:6229. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
JOHN HAYES (National—Wairarapa) 
: 
 Can I say to the public listening to this debate on the Climate Response (Emissions Trading and Other Matters) Amendment Bill that if you want to have an argument talk to your neighbour about whether or not they think climate change is real. It is an issue that polarises people. The issues are complex and at the centre of the debate is a conflict between First World environmentalists and those in developing countries who want to leave poverty behind. 
What I think is interesting as we have listened to the debate this afternoon is that everybody has a view but very few people have the technical understanding of the issues. People seem inclined to hide behind their prejudices and as you can hear from across the House they shout at those with a different point of view. Anger inevitably becomes the currency of debate. 
Well there is a broad consensus that we need to slash greenhouse gas emissions but there are many points of view on where the knife should fall. The Greens and New Zealand First want to cut back our lifestyles but they underestimate the value of economic progress advancing health advancing education creating wealth and creating opportunity in our daily lives. What they want to do is draw all that to a halt. 
I think it is crucial to recognise that the cost of decarbonising our economy will be a function of available technology. With effective technology—more efficient clean-energy alternatives better batteries electric cars and cheaper and safer nuclear power—the cost of decarbonisation will be relatively low. Without technological change however the costs are going to be high. That is why the Government is exercising leadership and that is why it has created the global science partnership involving 25 countries to try to find new technology to lead us forward in a cheaper way. There is a link between climate change and development—the twin challenges of our age. Making energy costs more expensive in our country is simply going to reduce incomes. 
I support this legislation. It is very sensible and it is going to cause least economic damage to communities in the situation we are in at the moment of global recession. Thank you.
Smith Lockwood: Urgent Debates Declined — Solid Energy Spring Creek Mine—Job Losses 
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Smith Lockwood: Urgent Debates Declined — Solid Energy Spring Creek Mine—Job Losses 
[Sitting date: 25 October 2012. Volume:685;Page:6217. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I have received a letter from Darien Fenton seeking to debate under Standing Order 386 the announcement of job losses at Solid Energy. The announcement relating to Spring Creek mine workers today is a case of recent occurrence involving ministerial responsibility. However not every such announcement will warrant an urgent debate. There must be an element of urgency for the matter to take precedence over other business. There will be other occasions on which this matter can be examined such as the upcoming financial reviews of State enterprises. In these circumstances I am not persuaded that the setting aside of the House’s business for an urgent debate today can be justified. The application is therefore declined.
Dean Jacqui: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Dean Jacqui: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Sitting date: 25 October 2012. Volume:685;Page:6211. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
7. 
JACQUI DEAN (National—Waitaki) 
 to the  
Minister for the Environment 
: What reports has she received on the time taken for decisions on notified consents issued under the Resource Management Act 1991? 
Hon AMY ADAMS (Minister for the Environment) 
: 
 I have seen a report from the Ministry for the Environment that indicates that the average time-frame for a decision on a notified consent is nearly 9 months. In the study period three decisions took over 1000 working days with the longest taking 3528 days or nearly a decade. It is simply unacceptable that some of these projects take longer to consent than they do to build. Medium-sized consents involve projects that can collectively contribute hundreds of millions of dollars to the economy and create a significant number of jobs. It is the Government’s intention to continue to reduce unnecessary costs and delays from these consents. 
Jacqui Dean 
: What is the impact of delays in receiving decisions on applicants and submitters? 
Hon AMY ADAMS 
: Delays create uncertainties for the applicants but also importantly for the submitters and local communities. No one benefits from a drawn-out process waiting for a decision under a cloud of uncertainty and with mounting legal fees. In terms of the economics of delay one estimate has put the cost per day of delay of a hypothetical $10 million project at $2200 which for a 3-month delay could mean $140000 of extra costs to say nothing of the additional cost in stress on the submitters. That is why the Government is committed to finding ways to ensure that notified consents are dealt with in a timely and cost-effective manner.
McKelvie Ian: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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McKelvie Ian: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Sitting date: 25 October 2012. Volume:685;Page:6209. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
5. 
IAN McKELVIE (National—Rangitikei) 
 to the  
Minister for Social Development 
: What announcements has she made to review Child Youth and Family’s complaints process? 
Hon PAULA BENNETT (Minister for Social Development) 
: 
 As part of the White Paper for Vulnerable Children we have committed to undertaking an independent review of the Child Youth and Family complaints process. This is an issue that came up at the green paper meetings and in a number of public submissions. We felt it was important that we get an independent reviewer to look at whether there needs to be an independent complaints authority for Child Youth and Family. 
Ian McKelvie 
: Who will undertake the review of Child Youth and Family’s complaints processes and what will they look at? 
Hon PAULA BENNETT 
: I have appointed former Police Commissioner Howard Broad to undertake this review. The terms of reference include the current arrangements for members of the public to have a complaint about Child Youth and Family heard providing a view on how the current arrangements are or are not working and considering options for independence and reporting on the financial legislative and accountability implications of these options. 
Ian McKelvie 
: When is the review of the Child Youth and Family complaints process expected to be reported back? 
Hon PAULA BENNETT 
: All the changes that arise as a result of the white paper and the Children’s Action Plan that we have in place will have clear time frames over the next few years. The review is due to be completed certainly by next year but I think that he will be getting back earlier next year which would be a good thing. 
Jacinda Ardern 
: Does she plan to put in place a complaints process or an independent review for Work and Income in light of ongoing breaches such as the man who had his sickness benefit cancelled after Work and Income lost his medical certificate only to have it anonymously returned to him in the mail by another client who had accidentally been sent it— 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Order! I believe this question is asking the Minister a question in respect of a totally different ministerial role and to try to link it that way I think is a bit of a stretch. Does the member wish to actually ask the Minister responsible for social development a question more related to the primary question? That is all right.
Cunliffe David: Taxation (Annual Rates Returns Filing and Remedial Matters) Bill — Third Reading 
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Cunliffe David: Taxation (Annual Rates Returns Filing and Remedial Matters) Bill — Third Reading 
[Sitting date: 25 October 2012. Volume:685;Page:6254. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon DAVID CUNLIFFE (Labour—New Lynn) 
: 
 I was misquoted because although I did say that we would encourage pro-growth tax reform including a capital gains tax I have made it very clear that Labour has made no decisions about income tax and our colleagues would say exactly the same thing.
Brownlee Gerry: Business Statement 
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Brownlee Gerry: Business Statement 
[Sitting date: 25 October 2012. Volume:685;Page:6203. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (Leader of the House) 
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 Next week the House is in a 1-week adjournment. When the House resumes on 6 November the Government will look to complete the Committee stage of the Climate Change Response (Emissions Trading and Other Matters) Amendment Bill and the Legislation Bill and begin other second and third readings on the Order Paper. Wednesday is a members’ day.
Smith Nick: Taxation (Annual Rates Returns Filing and Remedial Matters) Bill — Third Reading 
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Smith Nick: Taxation (Annual Rates Returns Filing and Remedial Matters) Bill — Third Reading 
[Sitting date: 25 October 2012. Volume:685;Page:6247. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon Dr NICK SMITH (National—Nelson) 
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 I wish to make only a brief contribution on this bill the Taxation (Annual Rates Returns Filing and Remedial Matters) Bill. It contains very sensible measures around software around supporting those businesses that have been affected by the earthquakes in Canterbury around making sure that our banks pay a fair share of tax and also around lifting the KiwiSaver contributions. 
Just in response to that contribution from New Zealand First it was absolutely sensible for this Government at the peak of the global financial crisis to pull back on those KiwiSaver contributions in 2009 and 2010. The costs that they would have imposed on business would only have driven up unemployment at the worst time. As the economy is now recovering it is time for us to lift those contributions. 
But my challenge is to the next Labour speaker. I have listened in this Parliament over the last 12 months and heard Labour members saying that they are going to increase paid parental leave costing hundreds of millions of dollars and that they are going to have more welfare spending—nearly $2 billion providing for the in-work tax credit to be made available for beneficiaries. I have heard that in health I have heard that in education and I have heard that in so many areas Labour is going to spend more. Well I have got a question for those members. Are you going to tax more? 
I ask that question because every single Labour Government has put taxes up—every single Labour Government. There are really only two choices for members opposite. Either they are going to borrow more or they are going to tax more. Those are the only ways in which they can fund their extravagant spending promises. My simple challenge to the next Labour member in voting on the tax rates that are going to be set is to say by how much a left-wing motley coalition opposite would put taxes up and ruin the recovery that New Zealand is now experiencing. I hope the next Labour speaker will give an answer to that important question.
Business of the House 
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Business of the House 
[Sitting date: 25 October 2012. Volume:685;Page:6255. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Business of the House 
MICHAEL WOODHOUSE (Senior Whip—National) 
: 
 I seek leave for members of the Foreign Affairs Defence and Trade Committee John Hayes the Hon Phil Goff Dr Paul Hutchison and Su’a William Sio who are travelling to Europe on a trip funded by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade from 4 November to 11 November to investigate greater engagement with the European Union parliaments to be regarded as present for the purpose of casting party votes. 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought. Is there anyone opposed to that? There is no objection. Leave is granted.
Urgent Debates Declined — Solid Energy Spring Creek Mine—Job Losses 
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Urgent Debates Declined — Solid Energy Spring Creek Mine—Job Losses 
[Sitting date: 25 October 2012. Volume:685;Page:6217. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Urgent Debates Declined 
Solid Energy Spring Creek Mine—Job Losses 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I have received a letter from Darien Fenton seeking to debate under Standing Order 386 the announcement of job losses at Solid Energy. The announcement relating to Spring Creek mine workers today is a case of recent occurrence involving ministerial responsibility. However not every such announcement will warrant an urgent debate. There must be an element of urgency for the matter to take precedence over other business. There will be other occasions on which this matter can be examined such as the upcoming financial reviews of State enterprises. In these circumstances I am not persuaded that the setting aside of the House’s business for an urgent debate today can be justified. The application is therefore declined.
Business Statement 
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[Sitting date: 25 October 2012. Volume:685;Page:6203. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Thursday 25 October 2012 
Mr Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Prayers 
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Business Statement 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (Leader of the House) 
: 
 Next week the House is in a 1-week adjournment. When the House resumes on 6 November the Government will look to complete the Committee stage of the Climate Change Response (Emissions Trading and Other Matters) Amendment Bill and the Legislation Bill and begin other second and third readings on the Order Paper. Wednesday is a members’ day.
Peters Winston: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Peters Winston: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Sitting date: 25 October 2012. Volume:685;Page:6213. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
9. 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First) 
 to the  
Prime Minister 
: Does he stand by the answers he gave yesterday to supplementary question 5 on Oral Question No 7 and supplementary question 3 on Oral Question No 12? 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (Leader of the House) 
 on behalf of the Prime Minister: Yes. 
Rt Hon Winston Peters 
: Can the House infer from his words “that has always been the test” that as a matter of principle if any Minister were found to have knowingly misled him as Prime Minister he would sack him or her? 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE 
: That is the Prime Minister’s position. 
Rt Hon Winston Peters 
: Given that the Hon John Banks told the Prime Minister’s chief of staff that the reason why his witness statement is not public is that the police decided not to release it when in fact Mr Banks himself told the police not to release it does that not mean that he Mr Banks knowingly misled both the Prime Minister’s chief of staff and him as Prime Minister? 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE 
: It simply means that that is a view held by the Rt Hon Winston Peters. 
Rt Hon Winston Peters 
: OK! Is it correct that he as Prime Minister on at least three occasions gave false information to the House in relation to the Dotcom case; if so how can he expect the New Zealand public to believe that he as Prime Minister is telling the truth? 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE 
: On each occasion every attempt has been made to factually give a position to the New Zealand public. Mr Dotcom does not consume all of the Government’s time. 
Rt Hon Winston Peters 
: Is it not the case given the previous answers in respect of the Hon John Banks that if he as Prime Minister is proven to have misled the House then he will resign as Prime Minister; if not why not? 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE 
: That is in fact not the case. 
Grant Robertson 
: Can he confirm his answer that the first he heard of Kim Dotcom was on 19 January 2012 despite the fact that a US arrest warrant on Mr Dotcom was put out on March 2011; his Ministers Williamson Power and Coleman all dealt with aspects of his move to New Zealand prior to 19 January; the US Department of Justice said that it had substantial and critical assistance from the New Zealand Police the office of the Solicitor-General and Crown Law in the lead-up to the raids; and that Dotcom had funded the biggest New Year’s fireworks in New Zealand’s history in 2011? 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE 
: Yes.
Woodhouse Michael: Business of the House 
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[Sitting date: 25 October 2012. Volume:685;Page:6255. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
MICHAEL WOODHOUSE (Senior Whip—National) 
: 
 I seek leave for members of the Foreign Affairs Defence and Trade Committee John Hayes the Hon Phil Goff Dr Paul Hutchison and Su’a William Sio who are travelling to Europe on a trip funded by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade from 4 November to 11 November to investigate greater engagement with the European Union parliaments to be regarded as present for the purpose of casting party votes.
Roy Eric: Taxation (Annual Rates Returns Filing and Remedial Matters) Bill — Third Reading 
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Roy Eric: Taxation (Annual Rates Returns Filing and Remedial Matters) Bill — Third Reading 
[Sitting date: 25 October 2012. Volume:685;Page:6252. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Order! Your time has expired.
Event: Ngati Whatua Orakei Claims Settlement Bill — In Committee 
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Event: Ngati Whatua Orakei Claims Settlement Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 24 October 2012. Volume:685;Page:6200. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Ngati Whatua Orakei Claims Settlement Bill 
In Committee 
Part 1 Preliminary provisions and settlement of historical claims 
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The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 140 in the name of the Hon Christopher Finlayson to clause 12 be agreed to. 
Amendment agreed to. 
Part 1 as amended agreed to. 
Part 2 Cultural redress 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 140 in the name of the Hon Christopher Finlayson to clause 27 be agreed to. 
Amendment agreed to. 
Part 2 as amended agreed to. 
Part 3 agreed to.  
Part 4 agreed to.  
Part 5 agreed to.  
Schedule 1 agreed to.  
Schedule 2 agreed to.  
Schedule 3 agreed to.  
Schedule 4 agreed to.  
Schedule 5 agreed to.  
Clauses 1 and 2 
Clause 1 agreed to. 
Clause 2 agreed to. 
House resumed. 
The Chairperson reported the Ngati Manuhiri Claims Settlement Bill with amendment and the NgatiWhatuaOrakei Claims Settlement Bill with amendment. 
Report adopted.
Event: Ngati Manuhiri Claims Settlement Bill — In Committee 
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[Sitting date: 24 October 2012. Volume:685;Page:6200. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Ngati Manuhiri Claims Settlement Bill 
In Committee 
Part 1 agreed to.  
Part 2 Cultural redress 
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The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 139 in the name of the Hon Christopher Finlayson to clause 25 be agreed to. 
Amendment agreed to. 
Part 2 as amended agreed to. 
Part 3 agreed to.  
Schedule 1 agreed to.  
Schedule 2 agreed to.  
Schedule 3 agreed to.  
Schedule 4 agreed to.  
Clauses 1 and 2 
Clause 1 agreed to. 
Clause 2 agreed to. 
Bill to be reported with amendment presently.
Ngati Whatua Orakei Claims Settlement Bill — In Committee 
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Ngati Whatua Orakei Claims Settlement Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 24 October 2012. Volume:685;Page:6200. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Ngati Whatua Orakei Claims Settlement Bill 
In Committee 
Part 1 Preliminary provisions and settlement of historical claims 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 140 in the name of the Hon Christopher Finlayson to clause 12 be agreed to. 
Amendment agreed to. 
Part 1 as amended agreed to. 
Part 2 Cultural redress 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 140 in the name of the Hon Christopher Finlayson to clause 27 be agreed to. 
Amendment agreed to. 
Part 2 as amended agreed to. 
Part 3 agreed to.  
Part 4 agreed to.  
Part 5 agreed to.  
Schedule 1 agreed to.  
Schedule 2 agreed to.  
Schedule 3 agreed to.  
Schedule 4 agreed to.  
Schedule 5 agreed to.  
Clauses 1 and 2 
Clause 1 agreed to. 
Clause 2 agreed to. 
House resumed. 
The Chairperson reported the Ngati Manuhiri Claims Settlement Bill with amendment and the NgatiWhatuaOrakei Claims Settlement Bill with amendment. 
Report adopted.
Ngati Manuhiri Claims Settlement Bill — In Committee 
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Ngati Manuhiri Claims Settlement Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 24 October 2012. Volume:685;Page:6200. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Ngati Manuhiri Claims Settlement Bill 
In Committee 
Part 1 agreed to.  
Part 2 Cultural redress 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 139 in the name of the Hon Christopher Finlayson to clause 25 be agreed to. 
Amendment agreed to. 
Part 2 as amended agreed to. 
Part 3 agreed to.  
Schedule 1 agreed to.  
Schedule 2 agreed to.  
Schedule 3 agreed to.  
Schedule 4 agreed to.  
Clauses 1 and 2 
Clause 1 agreed to. 
Clause 2 agreed to. 
Bill to be reported with amendment presently.
Robertson H V Ross: Alcohol Reform Bill — In Committee 
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[Sitting date: 24 October 2012. Volume:685;Page:6181. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: The amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 80 in the name of Kevin Hague to Part 3 are out of order because they are inconsistent with an earlier decision of the Committee. Honourable members we now come to votes on amendments relating to licence process and licensing bodies—Subparts 3 to 7 clauses 93 to 215A. The amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 81 in the name of Te Ururoa Flavell to clause 105A is out of order because it is inconsistent with an earlier decision of the Committee. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 81 in the name of Te Ururoa Flavell to clause 100 be agreed to.
Robertson H V Ross: Alcohol Reform Bill — In Committee 
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[Sitting date: 24 October 2012. Volume:685;Page:6185. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I am sorry to interrupt the honourable member. The time has come for me to report progress. 
Progress reported. 
Report adopted.
Goff Phil: Alcohol Reform Bill — In Committee 
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[Sitting date: 24 October 2012. Volume:685;Page:6185. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon PHIL GOFF (Labour—Mt Roskill) 
: 
 I want to speak to Supplementary Order Paper 122 in my name which has the effect of restricting the alcohol content of ready-to-drinks—the alcopops—to 5 percent and to no more than 1½ standard drinks per bottle or can. I did not really expect to have to move this amendment because the Minister who introduced this bill Simon Power was particularly strong on the need to restrict the alcohol content of ready-to-drinks. Indeed the bill as introduced does exactly what I am proposing now with one exception. It made the alcohol content 6 percent and I am proposing 5 percent. 
Consider what the Government said in its question and answer document on the Alcohol Reform Bill. It said: “The Government is particularly concerned about RTDs with a high alcohol content and RTDs that are sold in large containers that hold a high number of standard drinks. We are therefore targeting those aspects of RTDs which will mean RTDs will be a lower-strength drink (on a par with beer) and will be prohibited from being sold in large containers thereby reducing the risk of excessive consumption by young people.” Those are not my words. Those are the words of the Government Minister who introduced this bill. Then we had an act of absolute gutlessness where the Government caved in to those in the liquor industry who lined up in the Minister’s office and said “This is going to hurt you.” and the Minister put the interests of the profit of the industry ahead of the health and the well-being of our kids. 
It is a fact that this House has already made the decision that the age for purchase—
Robertson H V Ross: Alcohol Reform Bill — In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: We now come to Part 6. This is debate on clauses 285 through to 399 and it includes schedules 1 through to 3.
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Hon LIANNE DALZIEL (Labour—Christchurch East) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I am sorry but it is difficult to follow the specific clauses that you are referring to. So these were ones that were dealt with under the advertising and sponsorship provisions that got transferred to the debate on Part 2—is that right? 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: That is correct. 
Hon LIANNE DALZIEL 
: Thank you. 
Part 3 as amended agreed to.
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A personal vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 38 
Browning 
Graham (P) 
Mahuta (P) 
Tirikatene (P) 
Chauvel 
Hague 
Mathers (P) 
Turei (P) 
Clendon (P) 
Harawira (P) 
Moroney 
Turia (P) 
Cunliffe (P) 
Hipkins (P) 
Norman (P) 
Twyford (P) 
Delahunty (P) 
Horomia (P) 
Prasad 
Walker (P) 
Dyson 
Hughes (P) 
Robertson R (P) 
Wall 
Faafoi 
Huo (P) 
Roche (P) 
Woods (P) 
Fenton (P) 
Jones (P) 
Sage (P) 
Flavell (P) 
Logie (P) 
Sharples (P) 
Teller: 
Genter (P) 
Mackey (P) 
Sio (P) 
Dalziel 
Noes 82 
Adams (P) 
Dunne (P) 
Little (P) 
Sabin 
Ardern J (P) 
English (P) 
Lole-Taylor (P) 
Shanks (P) 
Ardern S (P) 
Finlayson (P) 
Lotu-Iiga (P) 
Shearer (P) 
Auchinvole (P) 
Foss (P) 
Macindoe 
Simpson (P) 
Bakshi (P) 
Goff (P) 
Mallard (P) 
Smith L (P) 
Banks (P) 
Goldsmith (P) 
Martin 
Smith N (P) 
Barry (P) 
Goodhew (P) 
McClay (P) 
Stewart 
Bennett D (P) 
Groser (P) 
McCully (P) 
Street 
Bennett P (P) 
Guy (P) 
McKelvie (P) 
Tisch (P) 
Blue (P) 
Hayes (P) 
Mitchell (P) 
Tolley (P) 
Borrows (P) 
Heatley (P) 
Ngaro (P) 
Tremain (P) 
Bridges (P) 
Henare (P) 
O’Connor S (P) 
Upston 
Brownlee (P) 
Horan 
O’Rourke 
Wagner (P) 
Calder (P) 
Hutchison (P) 
Parata (P) 
Wilkinson (P) 
Carter (P) 
Joyce (P) 
Parker (P) 
Williams 
Clark (P) 
Kaye (P) 
Peters (P) 
Williamson (P) 
Coleman (P) 
Key (P) 
Prosser 
Yang (P) 
Collins 
King A (P) 
Robertson G (P) 
Young (P) 
Cosgrove (P) 
King C (P) 
Ross (P) 
Curran (P) 
Lee (P) 
Roy (P) 
Teller: 
Dean (P) 
Lees-Galloway (P) 
Ryall (P) 
Woodhouse 
Amendments not agreed to 
The result corrected after originally being announced as Ayes 37 Noes 82. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 81 in the name of Te Ururoa Flavell to clause 44 be agreed to.
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The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: [ 
Interruption 
] Order! Order! The amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 91 in the name of Iain Lees-Galloway to clause 220 and the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 115 in the name of Dr David Clark have already been dealt with under Part 2A.
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 58 
New Zealand Labour 33; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 2; Mana 1. 
Noes 61 
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to.
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The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Honourable members we now come to votes on amendments relating to offences and enforcement—Subparts 8 and 9 clauses 216 to 284. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 79 in the name of Kevin Hague to clause 222 be agreed to.
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 43 
New Zealand Labour 26 (Ardern J Chauvel Clark Cunliffe Dalziel Dyson Faafoi Fenton Horomia Huo Jones Lees-Galloway Little Mackey Mahuta Moroney Prasad Robertson G Robertson R Shearer Sio Street Tirikatene Twyford Wall Woods); Green Party 14; Maori Party 2; Mana 1. 
Noes 76 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 7 (Cosgrove Curran Goff Hipkins King A Mallard Parker); New Zealand First 8; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Amendments not agreed to.
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That the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 49 
New Zealand Labour 32 (Ardern J Chauvel Clark Cosgrove Cunliffe Curran Dalziel Dyson Faafoi Fenton Goff Hipkins Horomia Huo Jones King A Lees-Galloway Little Mackey Mahuta Moroney Parker Prasad Robertson G Robertson R Shearer Sio Street Tirikatene Twyford Wall Woods); Green Party 14; Maori Party 2; Mana 1. 
Noes 70 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 1 (Mallard); New Zealand First 8; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Amendments not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 81 in the name of Te Ururoa Flavell to clauses 177 179 and 181 be agreed to.
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 44 
New Zealand Labour 27 (Ardern J Chauvel Clark Cosgrove Cunliffe Dalziel Dyson Faafoi Hipkins Horomia Huo Jones Lees-Galloway Little Mackey Mahuta Moroney Prasad Robertson G Robertson R Shearer Sio Street Tirikatene Twyford Wall Woods); Green Party 14; Maori Party 2; Mana 1. 
Noes 75 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 6 (Curran Fenton Goff King A Mallard Parker); New Zealand First 8; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 111 in the name of Su’a William Sio to Part 3 be agreed to.
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The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: The question is that the question be now put.
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 58 
New Zealand Labour 33; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 2; Mana 1. 
Noes 61 
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Amendments not agreed to.
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The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Honourable members we come to votes on amendments relating to local alcohol policies—Subpart 2 clauses 75 to 92. The first amendment is in the name of the member Charles Chauvel. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 109 in the name of Charles Chauvel to Part 3 be agreed to.
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 52 
New Zealand Labour 27 (Ardern J Chauvel Clark Cunliffe Curran Dalziel Dyson Fenton Goff Horomia Huo Jones King A Lees-Galloway Little Mackey Mahuta Moroney Parker Prasad Robertson G Robertson R Sio Street Tirikatene Twyford Wall); Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 2; Mana 1. 
Noes 67 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 6 (Cosgrove Faafoi Hipkins Mallard Shearer Woods); ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to.
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 43 
New Zealand Labour 26 (Ardern J Chauvel Clark Cunliffe Curran Dalziel Dyson Fenton Goff Horomia Huo Jones King A Lees-Galloway Little Mackey Mahuta Moroney Prasad Robertson G Robertson R Sio Street Tirikatene Twyford Wall); Green Party 14; Maori Party 2; Mana 1. 
Noes 76 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 7 (Cosgrove Faafoi Hipkins Mallard Parker Shearer Woods); New Zealand First 8; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Amendments not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 113 in the name of the Hon Lianne Dalziel to clause 382 be agreed to.
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The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Honourable members we now have votes on amendments relating to minimum pricing—Subpart 1. The first one is in the name of the member Te Ururoa Flavell. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 81 in the name of Te Ururoa Flavell to insert new clauses 43A and 230A and to clause 267 be agreed to.
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A personal vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 42 
Browning 
Graham (P) 
Mackey (P) 
Street 
Chauvel 
Hague 
Mahuta (P) 
Tirikatene (P) 
Clark (P) 
Harawira (P) 
Mathers (P) 
Turei (P) 
Clendon (P) 
Horomia (P) 
Moroney 
Turia (P) 
Cunliffe (P) 
Hughes (P) 
Norman (P) 
Twyford (P) 
Delahunty (P) 
Huo (P) 
Prasad 
Walker (P) 
Dyson (P) 
Jones (P) 
Robertson R (P) 
Wall 
Faafoi (P) 
King A (P) 
Roche (P) 
Woods (P) 
Fenton (P) 
Lees-Galloway (P) 
Sage (P) 
Flavell (P) 
Little (P) 
Sharples (P) 
Teller: 
Genter (P) 
Logie (P) 
Shearer (P) 
Dalziel 
Noes 77 
Adams (P) 
Dunne (P) 
Lole-Taylor (P) 
Sabin 
Ardern J (P) 
English (P) 
Lotu-Iiga (P) 
Shanks (P) 
Ardern S (P) 
Finlayson (P) 
Macindoe (P) 
Simpson (P) 
Auchinvole (P) 
Foss (P) 
Mallard (P) 
Smith L (P) 
Bakshi (P) 
Goff (P) 
Martin 
Smith N (P) 
Banks (P) 
Goldsmith (P) 
McClay (P) 
Stewart 
Barry (P) 
Goodhew (P) 
McCully (P) 
Tisch (P) 
Bennett D (P) 
Groser (P) 
McKelvie (P) 
Tolley (P) 
Bennett P (P) 
Guy (P) 
Mitchell 
Tremain (P) 
Blue (P) 
Hayes (P) 
Ngaro (P) 
Upston 
Borrows (P) 
Heatley (P) 
O’Connor S (P) 
Wagner (P) 
Bridges (P) 
Henare (P) 
O’Rourke 
Wilkinson (P) 
Brownlee (P) 
Hipkins (P) 
Parata (P) 
Williams 
Calder (P) 
Horan (P) 
Parker (P) 
Williamson (P) 
Carter (P) 
Hutchison (P) 
Peters (P) 
Yang (P) 
Coleman (P) 
Joyce (P) 
Prosser 
Young (P) 
Collins 
Kaye (P) 
Robertson G (P) 
Cosgrove (P) 
Key (P) 
Ross (P) 
Curran (P) 
King C (P) 
Roy (P) 
Teller: 
Dean (P) 
Lee (P) 
Ryall (P) 
Woodhouse 
Amendment not agreed to
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The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: The member seeks leave. Is there any objection to that course of action being taken? There is none. The votes will be corrected. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 110 in the name of Andrew Little to clause 44 be agreed to.
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MICHAEL WOODHOUSE (Senior Whip—National) 
: 
 Consistent with the Standing Orders regarding personal votes and with the proxy held by the National Party on behalf of the Maori Party I seek leave to amend the vote on Supplementary Order Papers 81 and 107 and cast a vote on behalf of Tariana Turia in favour of both of those Supplementary Order Papers.