Hughes Gareth; Tisch LindsayGARETH HUGHES (Green): Kia ora Mr Speaker. Ngā mihi nui ki a koutou. Kia ora. I cannot believe what I just heard from that member Jo Goodhew. She is someone who has just hopped on the Education and Science Committee only a couple of months ago and all of a sudden she is an expert in how this committee has operated for—as Catherine Delahunty tells me—8 years. She has the audacity to come down to this House not talk about the Education (Update) Amendment Bill whatsoever but pass all these judgments on other members and call other members holier-than-thou". What we did not hear though was a contribution about this bill.What we know from the educational experts and what we know from the parents is that they are worried it is just another experiment with New Zealand children. We have seen the first experiment with charter schools and now we are seeing through the so-called online charter schools a second experiment. As any member of this House knows I am a big supporter of technology. I am a big supporter of the potentials of IT in the educational sector. I remember sitting on a more than year-long select committee inquiry into how we can improve it—basic things such as making sure our trainee teachers are given the expertise to use technology. What we never heard once on that committee from all the international and domestic experts was that just putting a kid in front of technology was the answer. What it was all about was the potential for technology to change and support existing teaching methods. What we did not hear was that just chucking kids in front of a screen was the answer and that is the fear with this bill establishing these so-called online charter schools.The third great experiment with New Zealand's children that we have seen under this Government is the idea that somehow the market is going to solve everything—as if everything in the world including our children can be quantified put in a basket given a number given a price and then the competitive market is going to fix what ails us. It is just not on. What we know is that it is going to be an experiment with our children. I do not think we should be experimenting with our children. I think we should have more robust evidence put before us. In fact we should be listening to the experts before we race off with these decisions. I guess just to keep the experiment theme going the second part of this bill which is passing today is looking at careers advice—moving it from Careers New Zealand to the Tertiary Education Commission. We have heard both sides of the debate. I think it is a reasonable debate. Again it is going to be an experiment. We are going to be following how it goes and how it actually rolls out. The fear of course is that it is simply another bureaucratic change-around which is not going to fundamentally change the systemic problem we have in New Zealand which is that kids—or young adults as I should probably say—are not getting adequate modern advice from professional sources of expertise in school so that they can go on and have prosperous productive careers. It will be interesting to see how it goes.But because of the three big experiments we are seeing with our children—charter schools online charter schools and a market approach—we cannot support this bill despite some of the good and reasoned points in it. I am proud to be opposing the bill in its third reading.The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch): I call Aupito William Sio—5 minutes."