Willis Scott; Brown SimeonSCOTT WILLIS (Green): Thank you Madam Chair. My question is indeed related to the provisions relating to the Public Finance (Fines Collection Costs—Budget Measures) Amendment Bill 2024 Part 4 and I'm—CHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger): We're on Part 5.SCOTT WILLIS: Part 5. Part 4 is scheduled into it.CHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger): The member's missed Part 4. Does the member have—is it Part 4 of the Schedule—SCOTT WILLIS: Part 5.CHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger): Is it Part 5—Part 4 of the Schedule is that what your—SCOTT WILLIS: Yes. My apologies Madam Chair. My question really is: has he considered the cost of administrating? So it sort of follows on from my colleague Duncan Webb's question: has he considered the cost of administrating the 10 percent of fines and the 14 percent of fines with that differential in timing? Because we've heard from the Minister that this is a Government of action. But actually what we're seeing is a bit of chaos here. I've got several questions. I'm interested: has the Minister actually considered simply stopping the process here allowing us to consider it more properly through a select committee process—CHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger): I think we're—[Interruption] Stop just a moment. I'd really like this to be at the point—because it really is about fines imposed before the start of this as opposed to fines after and I think the Minister's clarified that very well. So I need questions to be related to specifically that.SCOTT WILLIS: Thank you Madam Chair and that is exactly my point because I would like to know—[Interruption] If I may without the distractions please.CHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger): Ignore the distractions just ask the question.SCOTT WILLIS: I would like to know what the costs are associated with those fines. Let's see the old section continues to apply for fines imposed before 1 July so how are we going to manage the administration of that and what will the costs be associated with those costs that accrue a 10 percent fine as opposed to the different 14 percent fine after that? How much has that been calculated? How has that been calculated? And is there any work under way to make sure we understand the true cost of this? Because really this may seem like a very inconsequential and silly piece of legislation to be frank but there's a true cost associated with it and it relates to that differential in time. So if we could have some clarity about how the Minister has been able to judge the value of this legislation and breaking it down with that old section to apply for fines imposed before 1 July I think that would be very helpful for us to understand because really we're here—we're not in a select committee; we're doing this through urgency. We have to get as much information out as we can in a very very pressed environment. We really don't want to drag this on. We want the Speaker to be able to get his 2 o'clock flight tomorrow but we also want to know what the answer is and this is an important question. I know the members opposite are really keen to get on the road but we need to do this properly given that we don't have the luxury of select committee.So please if the Minister could come back to giving us that breakdown of what the difference in the date is going to make for the cost of implementing this piece of legislation. And there's perhaps another question there—Hon Members: Oh no!SCOTT WILLIS: Oh yes—oh yes!CHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger): Make it quick and make it relevant.SCOTT WILLIS: Well I'm attempting to. Thank you Madam Chair. No the relevance is really did the Minister also talk to local government about that difference? That is really key here because local government is going to need to know this as well. So there's two questions there and I'd appreciate an answer please. Thank you.Hon SIMEON BROWN (Minister of Local Government): There were two very simple questions in there. The first was in relation to cost recovery and I was pleased to hear the member actually ask about cost recovery. Page 9 of the cost recovery impact statement is quite useful in outlining that this will raise $285000 in year one. So that answers the first question.The second question which eventually the member got to was in relation to consultation and page 10 actually has a section on consultation in relation to this issue. CHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger): I'm going to take another question now from Arena Williams but I feel like right now we're dancing on the head of a pin because it's a very small piece of legislation and this needs to really hone in on this schedule.