Salesa JennyHon JENNY SALESA (Associate Minister of Education): This our fees-free education policy is a wonderful policy. It is one where everyone in Aotearoa New Zealand can have access to post-secondary education. One of our 100-day promises is that we said that when we came into Government we would make fees free from 1 January of next year and I am happy to say that we have delivered on that. Right now we have so many of our young people and so many of those who are already in work but are required to train for more skills actually having the opportunity to go through and train at post-secondary education. And one of the best things about this policy is the fact that it is universal. You heard from our Minister of Education earlier on when he said that those who are wanting to go into industry training instead of having access to just one year of free tertiary education will be able to have access to two years' post-secondary free education. That is really important because when we look at our skills right now we know that we have such a huge shortage of skills. We know that there are so many who are currently in the workforce that can go through to industry training. They can learn as they earn and they can get more skills to assist us with building a whole lot of the houses that we need to build because we know that we have a huge huge challenge to build houses to house so many—so many thousands of our people right across Aotearoa. So we welcome this new policy the fees-free policy for so many reasons. And for our young people as well as those who are older who are wondering whether or not they can access fees-free tertiary education they can go to  and they will be able to find out themselves whether or not they qualify for fees-free.I've spoken to so many young people from South Auckland who are really excited about the opportunity this gives them—that they can actually go through whether they go through to a polytechnic to a private training establishment or to university. Knowing that they can actually go through and train without having to worry about taking a student loan without having to worry about asking their parents to assist and without having to worry about whether they would have to work two or three part-time jobs just to afford an education—that has taken that worry off their minds. I've also spoken to many parents who are really excited about this as well many parents who are saying now that this opportunity that their children have to actually go through and train without them having to pay for their education is a chance of a lifetime.Just to go back a few decades we know that here in Aotearoa New Zealand there was a time when public education was absolutely free. As the legislation actually tells us public education should be free but we know that is not actually the case. We know that when we look across the House and when we look across on this side as well there are some members of Parliament that when they attended post-secondary education just two or three decades ago did not have to pay. So why is it that we're saying now that education should not be free?Chris Bishop: Because 10 times the number of people go.Hon JENNY SALESA: But that Mr Bishop is one of the reasons why we should ensure that it is more accessible for more people. We should make sure that we allow everyone regardless of where they live regardless of what part of New Zealand they come from regardless of what ethnicity they have and regardless of what earnings their parents have to at least have the opportunity to go through and train. Why should someone who attends a decile 10 school versus someone who attends a decile 1 school not have the same opportunity? That is the beauty of this legislation Mr Bishop: this will allow free education for everyone. This is universal education Mr Bishop and we are a Government that is absolutely committed to ensuring that the opportunity for and access to tertiary education is fair for all. Thank you.