Bennett DavidHon DAVID BENNETT (National—Hamilton East): Madam Chair Williams thank you very much. I just want to start with a comment that was in response to a question to the Hon Grant Robertson. He said that he is proud that we are returning to a benefit. He said New Zealanders should be proud that they are returning to benefit." That is the disgrace of this legislation here today. I think the Hon Louise Upston and the Hon Nicky Wagner and others have exposed what a problem we do have in this legislation how it discriminates against working women how it doesn't encourage people to go out there and work and how it is a piece of legislation that the Labour Party is putting forward to return people to a benefit and a life of dependency.Just looking at that last example which I think the Hon Louise Upston explained very well about how a working mother would not actually get the Best Start payment—that is a disgrace for this legislation to take away that opportunity for that working mother. If it is going to be a Best Start payment that is going to be universal why is it not for the person in that exact position? Why do they lose it because they are working and have made that conscious choice? And that—The CHAIRPERSON (Poto Williams): Could I just ask the member—I just want to seek the indulgence of the committee. I've heard several arguments that are very similar and I'm looking for some new arguments in this debate.David Seymour: Hello?The CHAIRPERSON (Poto Williams): This is part of a—no that's not appropriate. I'm looking for less repetition and some new material to come into the debate.Hon Steven Joyce: I raise a point of order Madam Chairperson. I appreciate your concerns but I must say that there has been a lot of substantive new material raised in just recent times. In fact Minister Lees-Galloway has I think substantiated that by standing up and answering some questions that have been raised by members.Now those questions beget further questions which I think we'll hear in the next little while. But I have to say that in nine years of sitting in this Chamber I don't think I've heard more new substantive arguments than I've heard in the last 15 or 20 minutes. I appreciate the Chair's point which is a good reminder to members but I would just point out that I think we're seeing a lot of new material added and I'm sure we'll see a lot of new material added.The CHAIRPERSON (Poto Williams): I thank the member for that intervention but I do have to say that I have been in the Chair for 40 minutes and there have been some speeches that have repeated what has already been said in the Chamber. So I am encouraging members to find some new material in this debate and there is plenty to be had. So thank you.Hon DAVID BENNETT: Thank you Madam Chair. The last point I was talking about was the young mother and the Best Start programme. But also young single people that actually make the conscious choice to go into work have lost their tax cut under this bill. Under this bill the incentive is not there for those young people to go into work. The incentive for them is to seek to go on to a programme of becoming a beneficiary which is the very point that the Hon Grant Robertson made in his replies to members in this Chamber when they were asking questions about the incentives and the dependency that this will create for families.I also want to talk about the amendments that Sarah Dowie has put forward. That is in regard to—Sarah is in front of me. She has put forward an amendment in regard to the Best Start tax credit Subpart 1. That would add a new clause 12A. That would effectively mean that any person receiving the Best Start tax credit shall ensure that the dependent child has attended a 15- to 18-month core Well Child check. That is putting an incentive in there for parents or those that are receiving the Best Start tax credit so there is actually an obligation of some attempt to make sure that that child has had the best start in life by actually getting that Well Child check. It is a very important part of any beneficiary regime that there is also a requirement to do something and we've heard in this committee from the Ministers involved in the beneficiary areas that they would like to see and continue to see that there are requirements put on beneficiaries.So to get the Best Start tax credit effectively the individual would be a beneficiary from the Government and therefore there should be some obligations placed on those that do receive that benefit. Sarah Dowie has put forward a very good amendment that would require some kind of consideration on behalf of the person that is getting the benefit to actually have the 15- to 18-month core Well Child check.I'd like the Minister to explain why the Government has not put any requirements on parents in this situation to undertake those kinds of obligations when they talk about something that is going to be for all and really is not—it is only limited to certain groups in our communities and especially those that are on a benefit."