Flavell Te Ururoa: Maori Purposes Bill — In Committee 
Flavell Te Ururoa: Maori Purposes Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:636;Page:6977] 
TE URUROA FLAVELL (Maori Party—Waiariki) 
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 Tena tatou katoa. Me penei rawa te korero ki a tatou a Maori nei mama noa iho te korero mo te anga whakamua ko te whakatinanatanga koi na te uauatanga. Ko ta te ao Maori e kimi nei ko tetahi huarahi kia ea ai nga uauatanga e pa ana ki nga kereme ko te whakatinanatanga koi na te mahi uaua. Ko te nuinga o te kainga me ki me korero au mo te Waiariki kei te whakahe ki tenei wahanga. E te Minita koi nei te tikanga o te noho whakahirahira o tenei wahanga o te pire. Ko te nuimga o tera hunga he kaikereme. Koi nei matou e ki nei me ukui katoa i tenei wahanga o te pire. Katoa. 
E penei ana te korero ko te wahanga 16 o te pire kei reira tetahi whakamarama mo tenei mea mo te “historical Treaty claim”. A me ki ko nga nawe ko nga pehitanga i mua tonu o te 21 o Hepetema te tau 1992. Ko ta matou e ki nei o te Pati Maori ae katahi ano tenei korero o te “historical Treaty claim” ka puta mai engari kei te rongo i te korero o Georgina te Heuheu. Na ko tenei wahanga o te pire ka tini haere tera wahanga . Ka mutu ka whakatahangia ko nga mea o nehe ki tetahi wahanga. Ko te mea nui kia whakatau i nga kereme katoa. Koi nei ta matou e hiahia nei. Engari mena ka whai tenei huarahi kua pahu ake etahi kereme ano o tenei ao. 
Ko te mate ke kaore tenei kawanatanga i haere ki te mata o te whenua ki te patai i nga iwi pehea o ratou whakaaro mo tenei pire. Ahakoa kua tata eke ki te rua tekau tau o te kirimana i waenganui a ngai Maori kia haere te kawanatanga ki te iwi Maori ki reira korero ai. Na ehara tenei i nga matapono o te Tiriti o Waitangi ara ko te “partnership” ko te “participation” otira ko te wananga i nga take e pa ana ki a ngai tatou. Me ki ko te wananga i nga take mo te painga o te katoa. 
E te Kaikorero ko taku hoa a takuta Pita Sharples i ngana ki te korero ki te akiaki i te Komiti Whaiti Maori nei ki te poro i tenei wahanga o te pire—otira kia waiho ki te taha pea kia mutu ra ano te korero ki te ao Maori—engari huare ake. Me ki kai te patai te Pati Maori me ukui tenei wahanga o te pire kai roto i nga korero i runga i te tepu. 
Ko tetahi uauatanga o tetahi korero o roto o te pire ko tenei kupu ko te “submit” 
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 Ko te “submit” 
e korerohia ake nei ko te pepa kotahi? Ae ranei he pepa kotahi ae ranei e rua nga pepa ae ranei he ripoata? He patai nui tera. Ko taku e ki nei ae kai te ki mai te mema ano hoki te tikanga ma tenei pire e taea ai e te kawanatanga te whakariterite i nga huarahi hei whai a nga tau kei mua i te aroaro. Ka puta mai te korero a te mema o Nahinara a Georgina te Heuheu kai te ki mai a ia ko te nuinga kai te mohiotia e te motu. Ko taku e ki nei nohea tena korero nawai tera i ki? Ko ta matou o te Pati Maori e ki nei kua mutu ke tera. Kua korerohia ketia ko te 1.3 piriona taara taku e korero nei kua oti ke tera. Ko nga kaupapa here o te Office of Treaty Settlements 
  
kua oti ke tera. Ko te wahanga ki tena iwi ki tena iwi ki tena iwi kua oti ke tera. 
No reira ko taku ki tera wahanga o tera korero. No reira ko ta matou e ki nei ae me anga whakamua engari me whakatikatika i enei wahanga. Ko taku e ki nei hei korero whakamutunga me poro i tenei wahanga me timata mai ano i te timatanga. Me hoki ki te iwi ki reira korero ai. Kia ora tatau. 
No reira ko taku ki tera wahanga o tera korero. No reira ko ta matou e ki nei ae me anga whakamua engari me whakatikatika i enei wahanga. Ko taku e ki nei hei korero whakamutunga me poro i tenei wahanga me timata mai ano i te timatanga. Me hoki ki te iwi ki reira korero ai. Kia ora tatau. 
[An interpretation in English was given to the House.] 
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Greetings to us all. I need to stress to us Maori members that it is easy to talk about going forward but the difficulty is implementing it. What Maoridom is seeking is a way of overcoming the difficulties relating to the claims. Implementing it is the real difficulty. Most claimants who made submissions opposed this part of the bill. That is why this part of the bill is so important. Most of that number were claimants. The majority from home from the Waiariki electorate that I represent oppose this part. That is why we say that this part of the bill must be done away with—all of it. 
Contained in clause 16 of the bill is a definition of “historical Treaty claim”—that is grievances and breaches prior to 21 September1992. We of the Maori Party say that this reference to a historical claim has only just emerged but we note Georgina te Heuheu’s statement about it. This part of the bill will eventually change. In the end claims from the past will be put to one side in another category. The most important thing is that all claims are settled. This is what we desire. But if we were to follow this pathway a whole lot of other claims relating to this era would emerge forcefully. 
The real problem is that this Government did not go to the people throughout the land to seek their views about this bill. There has been an agreement for nearly 20 years among Maori for the Government to go the Maori people to consult with them. This is not according to the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi—partnership participation discussion with us and so on; let us say discussion of matters that will benefit all. 
My colleague Dr Pita Sharples urged and prompted the Maori Affairs Committee to do away with this part of the bill—indeed put it to one side perhaps until consultation with Maoridom has been finally undertaken—but to no avail. The Maori Party is asking to have this part removed from the bill that has been tabled. 
Another difficulty we have relates to the wording in the bill for “submit”. Is the “submit” mentioned here a single paper a two-page one or a report? That is an important question. The National member Georgina te Heuheu has stated that most of it is known widely throughout the country. Where did that talk come from and who said it? The member also tells us that this bill will enable the Government to arrange procedures for others to follow in the future. But we of the Maori Party say that that has been done now. It has already been discussed. The $1.3 million is what I am talking about here. That is finished. The policies of the Office of Treaty Settlements that has been done. Participation by that tribe and the other tribe that is completed finished. 
So that is my view on that part of the debate. Therefore what we are saying is this: yes let us go forward but let us tidy up these parts as well. My closing statement is this: let us chop out this part; let us go back and start again. Let us go back to the people and promote dialogue there. Greetings to us all 
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