McKelvie Ian; Nash StuartIAN McKELVIE (National—Rangitīkei): Thank you Madam Chair. Just on the topic of fishing on Sunday night on one of the television programmes there was a documentary called The Price of Fish and that's going to drive a little bit of my questioning today because I think that documentaries like that are unhelpful to anyone and particularly unhelpful to industry in New Zealand. One of the Government's challenges whoever the Government is is to actually protect or not protect"—and it's a bad word—but to put in place measures that enable industries to continue to operate in a manner that's acceptable around the world and it's acceptable to our own people. I guess the point I'm making is that when you get documentaries like the one I saw on Sunday night or Sunday afternoon I think that puts an unfortunate taint on an industry that frankly is a pretty good industry. So my question really relates—and clearly it relates to cameras to some extent. But no doubt the Minister might want to go further than that because I think there's some challenges for us—and that documentary highlighted that whether we like it or not—around the ability of us to ensure that the fishing industry is both sustainable and is being managed in a manner that's acceptable to people not only in New Zealand but in our market place. I think it's very important. I understand the challenges of introducing some of this technology to the industry and those sorts of things and I don't have an issue with that. I think the real issue we've got though is that we've got a duty in this House to protect that industry and to protect our market places and also to ensure ironically that we can feed people in the future whether it's fishing or whatever it is. So I think that's basically my question. It's an interesting sort of dilemma I think so that's my first question of the Minister. Hon STUART NASH (Minister of Fisheries): Thank you. I didn't see the programme but I'm well aware of it. The fishing industry is an interesting one because there are four key sectors. You've got obviously your commercial sector; you've got your recreational sector; you've got the environmental non-governmental organisations who are advocating on behalf of conservation; and you have your customs sector. But what I would say is every single one of those sectors starts at the same place: we all want abundant fisheries. I think that under the quota management system—which was world-leading at the time and we have worked over the last three years to sort of bring it up to 21st century—we do have a system under which we can manage our fisheries. I mean the vast majority of our fish stocks are managed in a sustainable way. I have the October sustainability round coming to my office today I understand and that's based on a whole lot of science. It's based on robust consultation with anyone and everyone who's keen to have input into this so I do think that Fisheries New Zealand does work very hard to consult but also take on board the views of every single one of those sectors. The other thing I would say with regard to cameras is I believe they serve two purposes. The first one is obviously compliance—so keeping in mind we have 20 cameras out in the Māui dolphin area already just in a proof of concept trial—but they serve two purposes. The first one is obviously around compliance and that is to check that what is being recorded as being caught is actually being caught and whether that's legitimate or bycatch or not. The other thing for me though is it's about "Brand New Zealand"—it's what we stand for. I firmly believe that if we get this right we can go to the global market and position ourselves in the ultra-premium end of that market. The value proposition around our seafood brand is that if you're buying seafood with "Brand New Zealand" on it you are buying it from the only fully sustainably managed fish stock or fishery in the world and I think that having cameras just improves that integrity. So for me there are two value propositions around that. I've worked hard over the last two years to sort of articulate that vision of mine for us being acknowledged as the most sustainable fishery in the world and I think that that adds significant value. But again as in every industry you get those who are staunch conservationists which I do believe the vast majority of fishers are—you know they want to be able to fish in perpetuity. You get a couple of rogues but you get that in every business. But by and large I think our commercial sector does a very good job—by and large—of protecting the fish stocks that they go out there every single day and catch."