Stanford EricaERICA STANFORD (National—East Coast Bays): Thank you Madam Chair. I just want to go back to some of the questions that weren't answered. My question was: how do we know what total size of the workforce is to determine what 10 percent is? I know that the chief executive must be happy with the application and be satisfied that the test is being met. I've got a number of questions. That's my first question which hasn't been answered. As I said especially when you've got a workforce that is flexible that a person might do many jobs within their specific job—so if they work in hospitality they might do cleaning front of house bar cook the might do a few jobs—how do we know what the size of the workforce is and does that include people who do that job for less than 50 percent of the time? So the size of the cleaning workforce—well that's a bad example; let's use the example of bar staff. You've got a number of people who cover bar staff in a hospitality job but it's not their main role—are they included in this 10 percent of the entire workforce? So that's the first question. How can the chief executive be satisfied that the 10 percent test has been met when there's no evidence to suggest what the total workforce is? That's the first part I don't think has been answered.I guess the second part is: how is the chief executive satisfied and what information do you expect that the union will give them to be satisfied? So when they go to the chief executive and say We've got a thousand members." what do you expect will be given? At this point we have to remember that bargaining initiating hasn't started so therefore the employers haven't been required to give the details of all their employees. So the union is going to be supplying information to the chief executive which may just say "We are confident that we've met the 10 percent test and we've got 300." Will they be supplying names and details and contracts to see what percentage of their workers may well be covered in this fair pay agreement (FPA)? What information do you expect will be given and what requirement is there to give that information? I do understand and I know that the Minister has said that if the chief executive is not satisfied they can then ask for more information.My next question is: what information is that and how do they get it and where are the privacy protections? This goes back to my initial question of: how do you know that you've met the 10 percent or you've even met the thousand? People do so many different roles within a job and only part of their job may actually be covered under this particular FPA that's being proposed. So what that would require would be the union giving details to the chief executive—if requested I expect and this is what I'm asking—of a breakdown of the jobs that each of these people do. Is that the level of detail that the chief executive can ask for? That information is private information so how is that able to be given across? What is the test I guess for the chief executive to then be satisfied that the test has been met? Because of the flexible nature of the workforce there will have to be information given I expect that will be quite detailed around the roles of the person and the amount of hours that each of those roles are undertaking to determine whether or not they are actually included because it will have to be a certain percentage of their work that will mean they're included in this FPA. So you may well find if it's a really big workforce they've got a thousand people and that the chief executive will then be expected to go through I would assume every single one of those people their contracts their hours of works and how many hours they work in that particular role. So it's really complicated and quite convoluted.I guess the next question is: is that what the Minister expects the chief executive to do to be satisfied or is he able to just kind of look at it sort of with a helicopter view and go "Well you've given me a thousand you say you've got a thousand people the title of their job is 'hospitality worker' or 'bar staff.' "? But is he required to go into the level of detail to make sure that the work that they do meets the required percentage to be included in the FPA to count as one of these people? This is really important to make sure that that test is made.So there are two questions there. One about: how do you know what the total workforce is? And the next part is around the requirements of the chief executive to actually make sure that they are meeting that threshold."