Coffey Tāmati; Salesa JennyTĀMATI COFFEY (Labour): Thank you Madam Speaker. Very happy to take a short contribution on this the Water Services Entities Amendment Bill.I think sometimes in this House we talk in a bit of an echo chamber. As I've been out there in our communities when I've tried to engage Joe Public" out there—salt-of-the-earth people—about what the water reforms look like they get confused. They get confused. On our side of the House we're adamant that we need reform in this space. They get confused by some of the messages from the Opposition. Just earlier this year I found myself sitting in a room full of school principals—all in charge of intermediate and high schools—and I wanted to talk to them about this reform. They didn't know what it was about. They didn't know what was being achieved here. They were confused about it and maybe I reflect on it and think "Could we have done better in trying to take New Zealand on this journey?"What we do know is that we do need reform in this space. You heard it from our Minister Kieran McAnulty who said he'd visited a whole lot of councils up and down Aotearoa New Zealand. The one thing they were incredibly clear about was that we needed reform in this space and they didn't have the money to be able to invest in it.When I was on that day talking to these principals having lunch we talked about the messages that were out there in the public. We talked about words like "asset grab" and they were confused about whether or not it was an asset grab. I had to let them know that it wasn't necessarily an asset grab; it was actually a "liability grab" from the entities that were going to be charged with the liability of looking after the water infrastructure for the whole of New Zealand. I had to talk about the fact that we needed some kind of mechanism or entities across the country that looked after their own particular regions so that they could deal with that at a local level as well. It's not an asset grab by any stretch of the imagination. It is absolutely a liability and it's a liability that we've been bold enough to be able to say "This is big and it's bold and we need reform in this space."One of the earlier contributors talked about Te Mana o te Wai and I want to just acknowledge the group that put a lot of work into that. I do believe that if we had switched onto actually just looking after our precious resource of water—fresh water—then we wouldn't be in this situation right now. We need to take a different approach and all of us stand to benefit from accepting that Te Mana o te Wai—the actual mana of the water—should be first and foremost and the commercial gain that we might be able to get from that should come not even secondary but after that. We have to look after the water. We have to look after the ecosystem around that water and then if we can make some commercial benefits of it then let's do that.But actually we all rely on fresh water. We know that we need the reform in this space. Councils know they need the reform. We've been bold and led out on this reform but as our previous speaker from the Green Party Eugenie Sage said it's still going to take a lot of work to get to the place where we need to be from the place where we are—which is dire at the moment. I commend this bill to the House.ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Jenny Salesa): The next call is a split call. I call on Nicola Grigg for five minutes."