Jackson WillieHon WILLIE JACKSON (Minister for Māori Development): What a sad sad contribution from that member Matt Doocey given the democracy that they talk about. The previous Prime Minister John Key would have supported this. Actually no no. After John Key was Bill English—he would have supported this. Chris Finlayson would have supported this. But sadly we've got this new National Party who all of a sudden have forgotten their history their background and now are putting up idiotic questions about why would the Māoris who go to the council want to speak? Why do they want to speak? They could just sit there and observe things. Brilliant question! Wonderful question! Because Māori deserve an opportunity—Matt Doocey: Point of order Mr Speaker. I seek leave to make a personal explanation.DEPUTY SPEAKER: It's unusual to interrupt another member but I will put the leave and if the House agrees to it then you can. Leave is sought for that purpose. Is there any objection? No you can't.Hon WILLIE JACKSON: Kia ora. Thank you very much. It's sad. The guilt is getting to the opposite side. See this is a party who is fooling—along with this useless lot in ACT over here. This is what New Zealanders have to be aware of is what's happening in the National Party with the Luxon takeover. The line is Oh you know we do support you Māoris even though you're separatists." That's the new line. "But 'separatists' is not racist" but I looked up the definition of "separatist" and I found South Africa and apartheid. And I think everybody knows that in South Africa that's called racism but not according to Mr Luxon and the new National Party. This all loving caring week where Mr Luxon said he doesn't support the Māori Health Authority but that's not being racist; that's just being separatist. Someone explain to Mr Luxon what racism means. Certainly that previous member won't be able to after that gobbledygook bloody speech. What a disgraceful speech.Now what Ngāi Tahu—I'm a bit different to my cordial brother behind me Rino Tirikatene. I want Ngāi Tahu to listen and hang their heads in shame when they hear this lot in National—when they hear this lot in National—because National supported Ngāi Tahu between 2016 and 2019 and it was well-supported by people like John Key and other members in the National Party. I'll be very clear: this reinstatement in terms of rights is a reaffirmation of tino rangatiratanga in terms of Ngāi Tahu. What it does is it acknowledges Ngāi Tahu has mana over their lands and affirms their special association in terms of this particular kaupapa. They have this right right across the Ngāi Tahu don't they Rino in terms of Te Rūnanga o Ngāi Tahu the Department of Conservation all recognise the special relationship that Ngāi Tahu have. So for the Opposition to raise separatism issues is disgraceful. What the National Party does not understand—Nicola Grigg: Ha ha!Hon WILLIE JACKSON: Don't laugh whoever you are. What the National Party doesn't understand is that Māori have a special partnership. Māori are the Crown's partner. You need to read that. And when you are the Crown's partner you get opportunities like this. And this is recognition from the Crown. The National Party used to do this; they used to remember this. Do you remember who was your—it was Doug Graham. He came in. He'd be ashamed of this National Party lot now—wouldn't have a clue. So as a Crown partner you get an opportunity to exercise this and this bill gives us an opportunity.Can I say finally in the last 30 or 40 seconds that democracy is also about recognising indigenous people and an indigenous voice—something that the National Party lot and the right-wing fascists on the right here the ACT Party have forgotten and don't understand because you want to suppress oppress and depress Māori. Understand that if you invite Māori into the tent that's an integral part—Maureen Pugh: Point of order Mr Speaker. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order!Hon WILLIE JACKSON: —of democracy. Get used to that—.DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order! Order! Point of order here the Hon Willie Jackson. When I say "Order!" you sit down.Maureen Pugh: I take offence at being accused of being a right-wing fascist. I request that the member withdraw and apologise.Hon Willie Jackson: I was talking about ACT. That wasn't for you; it was for ACT.DEPUTY SPEAKER: Sorry I was distracted when that happened. The Hon Willie Jackson will stand withdraw and apologise.Hon Willie Jackson: No. Point of order Mr Speaker.DEPUTY SPEAKER: No. I'm not taking a point of order. You either do it or you'll be leaving the Chamber.Hon Willie Jackson: I won't be doing it then.DEPUTY SPEAKER: Oh well you'll be leaving—you must leave the Chamber.Kieran McAnulty: Point of order. Mr Speaker now that the Hon Willie Jackson's speech has concluded—DEPUTY SPEAKER: Sorry I'm not continuing until the Hon Willie Jackson leaves.Hon Willie Jackson: Can't apologise to people I didn't insult.DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order! Come back. If you don't come back I'm going to name you. Come back now. E noho. I have made a ruling that you must obey. There is no discussion and it's certainly out of order to be interjecting on your way out. You do not want to be named. A Minister of the Government has not been named for a very long time. The Hon Willie Jackson will leave the debating chamber now and no comments.Hon Willie Jackson withdrew from the Chamber. KIERAN McANULTY (Chief Whip—Labour): I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. Thank you Mr Speaker. Now that the contribution from the Hon Willie Jackson has concluded if Matt Doocey wished to seek leave to make his personal explanation that would not be opposed by this side of the House.MATT DOOCEY (National—Waimakariri): Point of order. Thank you Mr Speaker. I seek leave to make a personal explanation.DEPUTY SPEAKER: Now that the speech has concluded you don't need leave for that. You may make that statement.MATT DOOCEY: Thank you Mr Speaker. The point I was trying to make is Willie Jackson said that I didn't want Māori or Ngāi Tahu representatives to speak. I never said that in my speech. I said the issue was about the ability for those current representatives—DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order! Order! That is not a personal—MATT DOOCEY: Well it is because he—DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order! I'm on my feet. That is not a personal explanation; that is a debating point.MATT DOOCEY: Point of order Mr Speaker. The Labour Minister made a claim that was if you look at the Hansard factually incorrect. I did not say that. It was about the voting rights not the ability for representatives to speak. So I believe I do have the ability under a personal explanation to state my case.DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order! I have made the ruling."