Martin TraceyHon TRACEY MARTIN (Minister of Internal Affairs): No—Tracey Martin.The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley): Oh Tracey Martin. Sorry.Hon TRACEY MARTIN: Thank you Madam Chair. I just would like to rise and just address the questions from the Hon Grant Robertson with regard to—there were two questions that he asked. He asked whether I had been advised of any issues around using audiovisual links in a range of different proceedings. Just to be clear audiovisual links have been used in a range of proceedings for a number of years and there have been concerns vocalised about the possible risks involved with the links breaking down with there being a breach to the link at the time that the individual using it—audio-linking in—is actually either giving testimony or having these discussions. The agencies that will be using audiovisual links will implement a range—and learn from a regard of lessons that have been used from the existing use. So this is an area of constant improvement. So while it's certainly not risk-free it is something that—it's not 100 percent brand new. Some organisations have been using it and lessons there are learnt.Also as we implement this opportunity across Government departments these things will be dealt with and we will progress best practice and other ways to make sure that we minimise the risks but they don't need to be dealt with in this bill. This bill is really updating that opportunity for those who have the capacity and are safe and with a minimal amount of risk to actually be able to use this facility. So there's a bit of futureproofing in there.The Hon Grant Robertson also asked about concerns—and can I just pick up on the two days that there's two days to say that you've received the email. I did give the example of—for example today I think I received by midday 309 emails. There is you know some likelihood that it will take me a couple of days to go through them. But the responsible departments are looking at preparing guidance notes and coming up again with a best-practice outline around expectations of when and how agencies will use this opportunity. And then the Commerce Commission is one of the agencies that we believe will be taking advantage of it.So these expectations would help to ensure agencies use email notices effectively to make recipients aware of the relevant notifications—for example how to ensure that the email is marked as being important. So out of those 309 emails I got if I got an email notification from a Government department we want to make sure that it would be highlighted or have an alert or the red exclamation mark on it so that it draws my attention to it among the multitude that I have.There were two questions also around how would the agencies ensure that they were updating the email addresses that they have. I think that's a valid point for Mr Robertson to make—that is the onus is going to be on the agency to do exactly that. That is the point of the piece of legislation—that they must prove that it was a current working email. So it's certainly going to be on the agencies' responsibility to update its records and make sure it has the most recent contact data on it. If it isn't then it doesn't apply. That's the first thing.With regard to Mr Hughes' comment about the spam folder—he raises another very interesting issue and I think that's something we're going to have to manage as again this is the environment we're currently in. Government departments need to be able to use email to send out notifications. This is 2017. But taking that on board if one particular Government department is always recognised by a particular email provider as being spam then I think that Government department needs to probably have a look at how many notifications it's sending out and what are some of its key words that might be in either its address bar or whatever that may be picking it up and popping it over into the spam files. So I hope that has answered the questions from the Hon Grant Robertson.