Ferris TākutaTĀKUTA FERRIS (Te Pāti Māori—Te Tai Tonga): [Authorised reo Māori text to be inserted by the Hansard Office.][Authorised translation to be inserted by the Hansard Office.]That's a mouthful eh? That's a mouthful.Look in all seriousness I spent seven years in Te Tau Ihu at Nelson Marlborough Institute of Technology (NMIT) as the director of Māori education during the time that NMIT championed the first Bachelor of Aquaculture in New Zealand.So hey we heard a few things while we were there doing that. One of them was that the area in the top of the south were concerned about the quality of the water of the sounds—that quality of the water of the sounds. The people with the longest vested history and future in [Authorised reo Māori text to be inserted by the Hansard Office.][Authorised translation to be inserted by the Hansard Office.]All of it; the place where more than 60 percent of this work goes. The majority of them are kūtai farms which are their own thing but a large number of them are also king salmon fish farms.The Marlborough Sounds Ngā Iwi o Te Tau Ihu o te Waka a Māui; Ngāti Apa—I'm sure you know Ngāti Apa Minister—Kurahaupō waka; Ngāti Kuia who led the charge that resulted in the—you could call it a fallout from the foreshore and seabed debacle but it was really about rights to marine space in the Marlborough Sounds.So in all seriousness this is the fight that an uncle of mine Butch Bradley led on behalf of Ngāti Apa. You probably know Butch matua but in all fairness this comes down to the quality of local waters for the local people that live there right? And here's the problem—here's the problem with a kūtai farm: the farmer doesn't have to do anything about cleaning up the mess he makes or the mess he leaves when he goes out of business. Mother Nature won't take out two-ton bricks and a whole bunch of lines. So that's one problem.Although kūtai farming can reasonably be deemed as a fairly good use—except for the big tracts of water that it cuts out of everyone's use but kei te pai you can catch a lot of snapper around them. But when it comes to fish farming and unequivocally these are the views not only of Ngāti Kuia and Ngāti Apa but also of some of the leading aquaculturalists in the world namely Dr Mark Burdass who led the development of NMIT's aquaculture programme along with Dr Charmaine Gallagher—you might have met them too eh matua?—who all said that fish farming is destructive in the ocean.This is the thing right? What lives under a fish farm? They won't know because they don't dive. I dive; I know what lives under a fish farm: nothing. Zero. Nothing can survive under a fish farm. That's why they're located in high-flow areas. So the easiest thing to do to predict those waters is to move them out to sea. Move them out to sea—put them way out in the ocean where 100000 parts per million can be done just like that. But when you're doing it in a sound that's not an option OK? We know because we've seen if the fish farm can't handle it and goes under they just pack up and leave all the mess there for Ngāti Apa and Ngāti Kuia to sort out.So in all fairness—this is serious right?—Ngāti Kuia is a small iwi at the base of the Te Hoiere inlet; at the base of the Pelorus inlet and the inner sound water doesn't flush to the open ocean. So if—and it's not if; it's when because it already has—when it goes wrong guess who has to live with it? Ngāti Kuia. Many iwi in the top of the south are involved in fish farming most of it—actually exclusively all of it—kūtai and oyster farming none of it fish farming because they don't like it. So anyway I'll leave you with that. Kia ora tātou.