Boyack RachelRACHEL BOYACK (Labour—Nelson): Thank you Mr Speaker. I appreciate being given the opportunity to take a call because I do have new points to bring into this debate and I do that at the chair of the Governance and Administration Committee.Hon Shane Jones: No you don't! Repetition! New Days of Our Lives. Hon Kieran McAnulty: Look at Shane Jones shouting down a woman. Leave her alone!RACHEL BOYACK: And I was previously—oh I'm OK. I can still hear myself so that's the most important thing isn't it? And I'm sure the Hansard will collect my thoughts also.Look I also was a deputy chair of the same committee when we heard the third piece of legislation and colleagues have explored at length around the short time frame but there is some new information. I don't need to I believe take the full call but there is some new information that I have to bring. As chair of the Governance and Administration Committee you'll be aware that we have responsibility for local government and also for the Department of Internal Affairs. I'm actually making this observation quite genuinely to the Government members opposite because I do want them to hear some of the constraints that are sitting inside both the submitters and those providing advice.The first is that through our committee we engage significantly with local government. In fact we had a hearing with Local Government New Zealand during the week. One of the points they have made to us is around their lack of capacity within the sector to be able to deliver on so many of their projects but also on engaging with central government. They have actually made that plea to our committee. I do note the points that Hon Barbara Edmonds and Hon Dr Megan Woods made about the capacity of the Finance and Expenditure Committee and actually there could have been an opportunity to send this to the Governance and Administration Committee because we do actually have the capacity as well as membership from across the House the understanding of the sector and the engagement already with the officials that actually do this work and those who will be submitting. So I think that is something that is worthy of consideration and just also bringing in the points that Arena Williams made about the Environment Committee.The other matter that I wish to draw to the attention of the House which I think is of relevance is actually for the officials and the lack of capacity for officials because under this Government all of those working on the water reform transitional organisations have gone. They are no longer in role. While there are still some officials engaged inside the Department of Internal Affairs who work on water reform a lot of them have actually left their jobs. They are not there. It's going to be like an episode of Yes Minister; like an opposite of Yes Minister: Oh why couldn't that person provide that report?". "Because you sacked them."SPEAKER: Just bring it back to the motion.RACHEL BOYACK: And so the reason I'm bringing this in is because capacity is actually really relevant in terms of being able to meet deadlines. If you want to deliver you actually need people to do the delivery.SPEAKER: In your head yes; not mine—carry on.RACHEL BOYACK: And so it is a really relevant point. Where are the officials that are going to be able to provide the advice to this committee? We'll see consultants potentially—you know they will probably have them all coming back in as consultants to support that at a greater cost to the taxpayer. Look I did say I wasn't going to need to use the full call and that is correct because I just had this specific point to make which is around capacity. Hon Shane Jones: We've heard enough—heard enough!RACHEL BOYACK: Well I know Mr Jones likes to hear details so I thought I'd give him a few. I like attention to detail. That's one of the reasons why I enjoyed doing the work on the bill last year. I'm actually very genuine that I think this is going to cause real challenges for the committee. My prediction and I'm going to say it now is that this committee is either going to need to seek an extension to the Business Committee—they'll either be seeking an extension or we'll be back in the House fixing up problems with the bill. I say it here today: that is my prediction. It'll be one of those two things and we will be back here to discuss it. I look forward to hearing from further members on their contribution."