SpeechTERISA NGOBI (Labour—Ōtaki): Thank you Mr Speaker for the opportunity to take a call on this the Crimes (Child Exploitation Offences) Amendment Bill. Can I also acknowledge Ginny Andersen—the Hon Ginny Andersen now—for bringing this bill to the Chamber but also honouring and acknowledging Angie Warren-Clark our fabulous chair of the Social Services and Community Committee as well for ushering it through to this stage too. It is an important kaupapa and while I'm not on the Justice Committee this is the second time I've been able to speak on this bill. As I did then I would say now that as a mum of three—and my kids are 12 10 and seven—the online world for a parent is scary. I've said this before and I'm sure every parent says this every year but now in 2023 to be a parent and have to deal with an online world is scary.That's what this bill does. It helps to keep our kids safe online—well safer. It also makes sure that for those who set out to harm our children there are harsher penalties. Hopefully those harsher penalties will act as some kind of deterrent to those that are wishing to go online groom and hurt our babies.My children just like everyone else's while they're great and love to go out and play sports they also love to go YouTube they love to go on Facebook they also watch rugby and things like that online and they also game. Generally they game with their cousins and their friends—but there are other people in those rooms; those groomers that this bill talks about those people that are out there pretending to be their peers but who are actually predators who go in to make relationships with our babies with our children in order to hurt them or get them to do something that's not appropriate and can hurt them.I think you can do everything you can—and Karen Chhour spoke about this—DEPUTY SPEAKER: Ms Ngobi like the previous speaker we need to speak to the bill in front of us rather than generalities.TERISA NGOBI: Thank you Mr Speaker. Karen Chhour spoke about the bill and Vanushi Walters spoke about the bill as well in terms of making sure that we're keeping our kids safe—and that's what the bill specifically talks about; it specifically says protecting our children" from those online groomers. Like Karen Chhour and Vanushi Walters said in terms of teaching your children everything you can in terms of NetSafe in terms of the tools that they need there is that online world where you can only do so much and [Phone alarm rings] you're relying on other people in there to be able to make sure that we're able to—some digital stuff going on on the side here. We are relying—DEPUTY SPEAKER: At this stage you tell us how we're going to do that in the bill please Ms Ngobi.TERISA NGOBI: Yup so we're talking about that as well—we are Mr Speaker.DEPUTY SPEAKER: Well we are going to or we're going to sit down.TERISA NGOBI: Yup Mr Speaker I will. So yeah as I talked about one of the things that we are doing is changing the penalties as I talked about at the start of this bill as well and we do talk about the NetSafe because the NetSafe is all in the bill. But one of the things that we did do is lift it from seven to 10 years. That again hopefully will make it a deterrent for those that are looking to groom.One of the other things that we did talk about and the Justice Committee chair talked about was that in terms of people reporting—our children reporting—there is that mā there is that shame around it. I spoke in the first reading of this bill about one of my whānau members being caught up in this thinking she had a boyfriend and at the end of the day it was someone older. She felt embarrassed to report and that was one of the issues that they talked about in the Justice Committee as we heard Vanushi Walters talk about.It is about making sure that as parents and when we do usher this bill through we remember that and make sure that there's a safe space for our children to be able to report. The bill addresses some of the penalties for that but maybe we should be looking at how that pastoral care goes in there as well to make sure it's accessible and children are able to be supported. This is a great bill and I commend the bill to the House."