Sio Hon Aupito WilliamHon AUPITO WILLIAM SIO (Associate Minister of Justice): Teina Pora is a case that many of us in South Auckland are familiar with. Here a young man who was charged with rape and murder spent 20 years in jail and then finally that conviction was quashed after a couple of people spent the entirety of their careers finding out the truth getting the information out until it was finally recognised that a miscarriage of justice had been carried out.That is only one example of why an independent criminal cases review commission is required. Too often I hear from others who say that access to justice is about sending criminals to prison. The reality is that access to justice is about doing the right thing: making sure that the people that we are charging with offences or criminal behaviour do get charged. We spend an awfully significant amount of money making sure that offenders are convicted but we don't spend equally enough energy and resources making sure that justice has been done. I want to point out to this House why I am supporting this particular bill and supporting what the Minister of Justice is doing because there are a number of people who have been identified particularly people who do not have the means to be able to embark on a particular appeal where they feel that the wrong thing has been done. So I'm supportive of this. I note that the association of the legal fraternity also welcome this and there are many in the legal fraternity who have been advocating for such a commission. It needs to be independent. I note also the recommendation of having three to seven members sitting on this review commission. I also acknowledge that there is a line of thought that there should be more than three and a tendency to look towards having a membership of seven. I'm keen to understand better from the general public and those who are in the legal fraternity to know what the arguments are for that. I'm of the view also that if we are concerned about Māori and Pasifika people who are categorised as those who do not have the economic means to embark on a particular appeal where they believe injustice has been committed then those people—who may not necessarily have a legal background but who are our peers in society—should also be part of this commission. But I would be keen to hear what the public have to say about the make-up of that particular commission.So when we talk about access to justice it also means making sure that the timeliness the quality fairness and independence of our current system is upheld. Therefore I believe that setting up this Criminal Cases Review Commission Bill not only achieves what this particular Government is prioritising but I think it will achieve what many in society generally want to see and that is that when we send somebody to jail we all need to be confident that justice has been done.I want to conclude by making reference again to Teina Pora. The artists of South Auckland—musicians—developed a video that was played and circulated and promoted because—and it revealed also just the appalling view that's held by many people who don't have the means to hire a judge for themselves. A lawyer sorry—a lawyer for themselves. Ha! Ha!SPEAKER: I think that's a—I note the correction!Hon AUPITO WILLIAM SIO: Yes. They were appalled that it took 20 years for full and complete information to be made available and once that full and complete body of evidence was made available they were able to quash the convictions of this young person here. The fear amongst the low-income—the fear amongst these artists in South Auckland—was that if they could do it to one of ours they could do it to the rest of us which meant that there's a perception out there that if you don't have money you're not going to get justice. Therefore I think this Criminal Cases Review Commission goes towards eliminating that fear and reaffirming once again that justice is for all including people in this House. Thank you.