Dean JacquiHon JACQUI DEAN (National—Waitaki): Thank you Mr Chair. I've got a couple of questions for the Minister for Climate Change thank you very much but before I do pose those questions just to confirm that National views this Climate Change Response (Emissions Trading Reform) Amendment Bill to be the doing" part of the climate change response. National did support the zero carbon Act and overall supports where New Zealand is going towards a lower carbon economy but we do have several misgivings and I'll use this contribution to open with a couple of questions.I did have my two questions set but the Minister just made a comment that I would like some further explanation on and that was that forestry employs more people per hectare compared to the red meat sector. The reason I'm interested in that is because that is not my perception although I'm sure the Minister has plenty of information to back up that claim and I'm looking forward to him expanding on why he says that—perfectly prepared to accept his explanation. The only comment I would make around that assertion is that it may well be true that the forestry sector may well employ more people per hectare than the red meat sector but where are those people? Where do those people live? There isn't a sawmill on every corner and yet there is a farm on arguably ever corner of rural New Zealand and so I am interested. Because the demographics of the spread of workers the workforce does matter in New Zealand doesn't it? We're a country of several large cities but many many small rural communities and those rural communities are supported by the red meat sector. That forms one of our objections to this bill: that the impact of this climate change bill at this time will mean that small communities will pay an economic penalty because of the timing of this bill in the post-COVID world. So I am interested in the Minister's greater response to that question.My second question again is a matter of timing and again it is in the context of our post-COVID environment which for the primary industries and for the red meat sector and particularly for the dairy sector but also others is that one of the requirements in this bill is that there will be mandatory reporting obligations on livestock emissions and they will apply at farm level for emissions from the year beginning 1 January 2024. Now 1 January 2024 is not that far off in fact. So 1 January 2024 if you work backwards from that this bill will be enacted—let's say this bill will become law in the latter half of 2020. The Parliament will pause for the general election. We will resume potentially in November; break for Christmas. Suddenly we're in 2021 and that leaves two years until the reporting obligations come into force at farm level. So when I get to the real nub of my question—it is given a runway if you like of around two years—what is it going to take what support is going to be given to the red meat sector to be able to comply with those obligations?Look I'm sorry I came late to this bill; I only joined the committee in late February. Are all the regulations in place or are they—like a number of other measures in this bill—still to be developed; in which case do we have to shorten that runway even more? Thank you."