Martin TraceyHon TRACEY MARTIN (Minister of Internal Affairs): Thank you Madam Chair. I just wish to respond to the questions that have been put to me by the learned colleagues. First with regard to Gareth Hughes he asked a question about how many fax machines there were actually—I'm hoping it wasn't in New Zealand but whether it was inside the parliamentary precinct. If he goes to the photocopy room on most of the floors particularly in Bowen House—I'm not quite sure here in the Beehive—I think he will find that there is a fax machine in every one of the photocopy rooms.Hon Gerry Brownlee: How does that relate to the bill?Hon TRACEY MARTIN: It was a question asked Mr Brownlee and the Minister is responding to questions. With regard to what I think with Mr Iain Lees-Galloway's—Mr Iain Lees-Galloway actually raised it: what would the proof be to show if your fax machine was broken and whether you could prove that you didn't receive it. I think it's a reasonably valid question because this is what the legislation does.These are existing provisions. The conversation—the references to facsimiles and so on are existing provisions. I think one of the other parts of the bill refers to—actually it was the Labour Party members and the Green Party members on the select committee for this bill that acknowledged the digital divide. They acknowledged that while we were updating these pieces of legislation for a digital environment we needed to acknowledge that not everybody was moving at the same speed. So while I'm sure that the Millennials in the House might look with some I suppose amusement on the fact that the word facsimile" is still there there are still people who use them and we're not going to remove those existing provisions to accentuate the divide in any way shape or form at this time.We do however acknowledge that the number of people with a facsimile is lessening. There are very few. We acknowledge that that may be an issue that there may be the odd individual who will have to say "My fax machine was broken on the day and it's very hard to get a fax technician in these days." So we will watch that on a case by case basis. The departments need to be reasonable and acknowledge these issues.Why would you have a one-day clause with regard to receiving a facsimile over a two-day clause of receiving an email? I think for myself the logic there is that it's a physical appearance of a document out of a facsimile machine as opposed to when I walk past my computer where the email has been sent and there is no flag up. It's a recognition that the email is not a physical representation; it's inside your computer so therefore it's not as obvious that it has actually arrived.I acknowledge the contribution by the honourable member who talked about—particularly with regard to the Millennials—the number of email addresses that Millennials appear to have. I've just been educated on the number of email addresses that are possible for a start. But with regard to that again the onus is on the department to prove that it is a working email address. I guess the logic to me is that you use the reply button to some correspondence that has already been sent to the department from the person they're trying to communicate with. I would only make the very practical suggestion to those who have such a number of emails to start using the forwarding device on your digital equipment to actually try and get them all into one place so you know exactly what's going on."