Sepuloni CarmelHon CARMEL SEPULONI (Minister for Social Development and Employment): Firstly I want to acknowledge this Government's efforts to address child poverty in this country. I want to acknowledge that every other party in this House except for ACT but including National supported our move to put in place legislation so that we can monitor and make sure we are making progress with regards to child poverty reduction. And I acknowledge that because of this Government's suite of measures that we have been implementing since day dot when we got in at the end of 2017 we now see 66000 fewer children living in poverty when we are looking at the after-housing cost measure. That is significant but there is much more to do.If we want to talk about child poverty reduction which we are more than happy to on this side of the House the benefit increases that we passed through the Budget in 2021 and we are now seeing the full realisation of since 1 April will see up to another 33000 children lifted out of poverty. To us those are the figures that we want to be looking at. That member the Hon Louise Upston said that their party thinks employment is the best way out of poverty; our side this Government is the Government that not only invested in income support and increasing income adequacy for the poorest New Zealanders but at the same time has put an emphasis and focus finally on investing in employment front-line work-focused case management upskilling and training opportunities for people who are on benefits. That was something that was neglected by the previous Government and we need to make that point very clearly.The member asked whether or not every person who is on jobseeker benefit will be work tested. Well the member knows that if the person is exempted for health and disability reasons then no they won't be work tested. The Ministry of Social Development (MSD) will work with clients on a case by case basis to support them into employment. Blanket statements about everyone on benefit go no way towards helping individuals and their whānau and actually supporting them in the circumstances that they are faced with. An example of that I will just add is that one time I was talking to a case manager. She was really proud of the fact that she'd supported a woman into full-time employment who was a solo parent and had never been in work before and she was in her late 20s. Unfortunately though it wasn't a successful outcome because that person was not well supported in her own life environment with regards to her access to transport and childcare to be able to sustain that full-time employment opportunity. In some instances where you push that hard that fast you can do more damage than good because when that woman falls out again her confidence is down she feels like a failure and what have you really achieved? There is a whole lot that has to go around every individual that's on benefit to ensure the futureproofing of wellbeing for them and their whānau. It's so oversimplified by the other side of the House and it's to the detriment of people who are in the welfare system.Moving now to Ricardo Menéndez March the member from the Green Party with regards to why we haven't yet been able to address the particular sanction that he raised around warrant to arrest. It really is because we have such a rigorous work programme at MSD and we haven't been able to address all of the areas that have been identified in the Welfare Expert Advisory Group's report but we continue to do that work. I'm actually really proud of the fact that despite having quite a significant role to play in the response to COVID whether it be through wage subsidy or the welfare support or support for social services we have still been able to get on with business as usual and get on to those Welfare Expert Advisory Group recommendations but not all of them. It's one that we still need to look at.