Williams PotoPOTO WILLIAMS (Labour—Christchurch East): I have got a couple of areas I want to talk about. The first area I want to talk about is family violence. The Minister for Social Development when questioned about the response to family violence services and funding talked about a programme that is being piloted in Christchurch and in the Waikato called Integrated Safety Response. It is a great programme. It involves about four statutory agencies—Police Corrections Oranga Tamariki and some community agencies—and it looks at helping families to navigate their way through the family violence support services and set up a real plan for them to start to lead safe lives. The difficulty is that the funding for this pilot programme has come out of existing funding for family violence services and why that is difficult is that this particular programme is not cheap. When you look at the intensity of response that is required within this programme it is pretty good. It is gold standard—it is not cheap; it is expensive and it has taken resources away from other services in the sector.So there is no new money but there are new programmes. The report of the Social Services Committee on the Estimates for Vote Social Development states: In the next Parliament the Minister would like to continue the development of broader changes to family violence services. She would like to have a framework for that in place by the 2018 Budget." But she also says that there is no extra funding for services such as Women's Refuge to carry on with their business-as-usual work. Between 33 and 39 percent of woman experience physical or sexual violence and in 1996 a researcher called Suzanne Snively actually estimated the cost of family violence as somewhere between $1.2 billion and possibly $3 billion—20 years ago. Women's Refuge actually gets about 60000 inquiries in a year and that is on top of the 110000 police call outs to family violence incidents—41 percent of police work is in family violence. It is a huge cost—huge cost.For the last 9 years of this Government there has been no real increase into the community response for family violence and the Minister says no real cost to the community response for family violence. I am talking about the NGO response and the Minister says she is not going to do anything until the 2018 Budget—10 years of no real increase.Hon Nicky Wagner: That's not true.POTO WILLIAMS: Do you want to put that on record Minister? There will have been no increase to the NGO service in terms of real funding for 10 years by the time the Minister gets around to doing it in 2018.And what does that mean for our people? What does that mean for people who experience family violence and what does it mean for those women and men who are in services to change the behaviour of offenders to support children who live in homes where they witness and experience violence and for women who are victims of violence? I am not talking about the top 1.5 percent that might be going into Oranga Tamariki or into other services like that. I am not talking about those people to whom a lot of this funding has been reallocated. I am talking about those people for whom we can actually make a difference if we engage with them early and we provide sustainable and effective community responses but these services are being starved by this Government and they have been for the last 9 years. It looks like by what the Minister is saying here they will continue to be starved.That is not what we call delivering for New Zealand. That is not what we call delivering for New Zealand and I am here to say that I want the people of New Zealand to realise that this Government is actually bleeding money out of systems and services that would actually support them to get to much safer lives. We will not be supporting this Budget appropriation."