Chadwick Steve: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Procedure Referral to Health Committee Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Chadwick Steve: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Procedure Referral to Health Committee Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
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STEVE CHADWICK (NZ Labour—Rotorua) 
: 
 I am pleased to take a call to clarify some of the issues that have been raised. Marae are not mentioned in this bill but if they have a liquor licence or have workers the smoke-free provisions apply as they do to a church hall or a bingo hall. Almost all marae in New Zealand are smoke-free. I also bring up the matter of hospitals. A member asked about hospitals. Perhaps he or she has not caught up with the news that District Health Boards New Zealand has supported hospitals going smoke-free. They have already gone smoke-free which is absolutely wonderful. 
I have an amendment I wish to talk to members about. We worked with the retail industry and the cigarette industry on point of sale. My amendment on Supplementary Order Paper 120 attempts to clarify the situation in respect of packets at point of sale. I have here a packet of cigarettes—just to show members that we all know what one is. But do members also know how some in the industry are trying to get around “packets”? We are trying to work with those who work with the ministry in a very constructive way by putting in my amendment a definition that clarifies what we are trying to do when we talk about the visual impact at point of sale and simply not have amazing artistic creations promoting cigarettes. The other point about promotion that I want to show members an example of is the inclusion of Maori on signage at the point of sale: “SMOKING KILLS Ka mate koe i te kai hikareti” which members will notice is already on packets. this is included in the amendment. 
I also want to show members an example of some of the creativity in the industry which the bill deals with—that is the inducements to purchase cigarettes and nicotine. I have here a lighter—two for the price of one—and a little bottle opener. These are inducements to get young kids who might want the opener to take the packet of cigarettes as well. That aspect has been clarified in the definition. All we are attempting to do in my amendment—and we had agreement from the industry—is to try to keep the visual impact to the current levels. I thank the industry for working constructively with the ministry on this matter. 
I will finish by speaking about ventilation systems. The Health Committee looked long and hard at ventilation systems including filtration and vacuum systems and there was not one level of support from scientific analysis that ventilation systems work. 
Hon Ken Shirley 
: Even from NIWAR? 
STEVE CHADWICK 
: Let us talk about the National Institute of Water and Atmospheric Research Ltd which compared the study on the Casadron system—a system very similar to the machine used in the hospitality clubs of New Zealand—with the findings of Japanese and German studies. 
 The National Institute of Water and Atmospheric Research Ltd told the Health Committee that the Casadron system was not effective. That was the feedback we got. Ventilation systems set two standards of comfort: a comfort standard and a health standard. Nowhere in the world has any country been able to set a health air-quality standard. Ventilation systems certainly do work in terms of removing the irritants in cigarette smoke but they do not remove the carcinogens in sidestream smoke. That was the scientific evidence given to the select committee and the National Institute of Water and Atmospheric Research Ltd did not support the Casadron system. 
Also there was some controversy around the robustness of the science used in the Bream Bay study which looked at the situation on a Tuesday afternoon—and one has to ask how many smokers were there on a Tuesday.