Mooney JosephJOSEPH MOONEY (National—Southland): Thank you Madam Chair. Minister I'm wanting to go back to the question that I asked you last night and your response to it around the purpose of this Act being to enable the trusted collection and use of data for the production of official statistics and for research. That appears inconsistent with the United Nations' Fundamental Principles of Official Statistics namely principle 6 which says that Individual data collected as a statistical aid by statistical agencies for compilation are to be strictly confidential and used exclusively for statistical purposes." No mention of statistical purpose and for research.The Minister referred last night to the United Nations' Fundamental Principles of Official Statistics Implementation Guidelines to justify the purpose of the Act saying that it can be for official statistics and for research. I'm curious about where in the Implementation Guidelines that is. I've had a bit of a look through it. Look I'll note for example in page 14 of the Implementation Guidelines it says that "For example only accredited researchers might have access to anonymized microdata for research while the general public would not be allowed such access." Then page 56 talks about "Statistical agencies [having] established appropriate procedures and processes (e.g. anonymization) before passing over the data to researches."Additionally the use of microdata is monitored in order to immediately apply corrective actions from circumstances appear in which confidentiality is violated. On that point I note that the Implementation Guidelines keep on talking about anonymised microdata and there is an important distinction there that I'll just touch on briefly. Statistics New Zealand points to personal data being de-identified rather than anonymised which is a higher standard.I'd be interested in the Minister's thoughts on that but I'm struggling to see how the implementation guidelines justify moving away from principle 6 of the United Nations' Fundamental Principles of Official Statistics namely that it should be used exclusively for statistical purposes—albeit with some caveats in the Implementation Guidelines for anonymised microdata. I'd appreciate the Minister clarifying that point.Hon Dr DAVID CLARK (Minister of Statistics): I do think that the answer's in the member's question because that use of that microdata is the research right? The anonymised microdata. I guess I covered this off: it is in the guidelines. We're just making it explicit in the bill what that is in the purpose.So I want to come back to though the member David Seymour's question. Just to be clear: the IDI is research and Part 5 of the bill applies to that data set so we will come to a detailed debate on that. If the bill didn't explicitly cater for mandatory and voluntary provision of data there would be no protection of voluntary provided data that is also being canvassed in the debate. Stats New Zealand may not have a mandate to collect data by agreement were that not explicit in the bill.The general point I'll come back to is that in all of this the bill hard-wires an ethical and cultural framework into the bill and that is the debate that comes up in Part 5. It's right that we then work through whether that has been done in the right detail."