Bayly AndrewANDREW BAYLY (National—Hunua): Thank you. Hey well thank you for that opportunity given that you've asked me a very specific question about the purpose of the commission. So just to answer Deborah Russell's specific queries at the moment as she knows under clauses 9 and 10—and the Minister did allude to this—it has the ability or requirement to co-ordinate develop and promote an approach to infrastructure that encourages infrastructure and services that result from the infrastructure that improve the well-being of New Zealanders." So that's an overarching thing but its purpose is largely an advisory function. As you know having sat on the Finance and Expenditure Committee Ms Russell the issue is that it has a strategic role and in that process it can collate information—as we talked about earlier it can now do it from the territorial local authorities or councils—and provide support and advice and basically act as a centre of excellence. And that's fine—that's fine for those procurement managers. I think in terms of getting better procurement outcomes in New Zealand you actually need to talk at procurement manager level rather than the Government entities and councils because that is the central issue that came out of the forum last week which is when the Ministers were repeatedly asked "Why have you not put in place new procurement arrangements which you promised to do 20 months ago?" the Ministers talked about requiring entities to do all that sort of stuff and yet of course that hasn't happened and that was one of the concerns. But the real issue is Ministers can issue edicts but the people that actually implement it are actually at the procurement manager level. There are thousands of projects procured both across central government and local government—$43 billion as I said just for central government. So it's nice acting as a centre of excellence and I'm sure some people will use that and respond well to that opportunity but if you've had anything to do with the infrastructure sector and particularly around the procurement many people believe they are expert and that is one of the reasons why we have such variability in terms of the level of procurement that goes on at both local government and central government level but also with outcomes that in some cases are absolutely detrimental. So what this Supplementary Order Paper (SOP) 362 specifically does is it says right that the commission can still continue to do and act as a centre of excellence but one of the things—it actually has no teeth the Infrastructure Commission. It doesn't have the ability to do anything else other than by a special direction. What the SOP does is it gives a clear direction to the Infrastructure Commission that one of its prime roles should be to highlight both good procurement and poor examples of procurement and from there by looking at the different aspects—and I quoted before including the one around risk and how it was allocated—it will lead to better outcomes across New Zealand. As we've all talked about the best thing in life is the disinfectant of sunlight and this is what this commission will have the opportunity to do and hopefully it will focus not only on the poor results but the absolute best outcomes because one of the requirements is it must share its learnings across the sector. That is how we're going to see improvement over time and that is why I think the Hon Shane Jones this morning was very supportive of the bill because we all know that we need to procure much better in New Zealand. There are so many poor examples. I know my colleague Mr Lawrence Yule is going to talk about those but they are many and you only need to talk to a building construction firm for five minutes and you will realise that this is the most central issue for these builders. Particularly during periods of downturn when businesses are struggling they are prepared to take on contracts and they feel like they have to and assume too much risk because they are trying to look after their employees trying to keep their businesses alive. That is the moment when we now see the results—and we've seen recent examples of this—of significant companies' failures and the consequential impact on subcontractors. That's why I'm so glad and I'm hopeful that you're going to support this SOP because this is what will make a real change to the building and construction sector."