Brown SimeonSIMEON BROWN (National—Pakuranga): Thank you Madam Chair. Thank you for the opportunity to take a call on Part 2 of the Land Transport (Clean Vehicles) Amendment Bill which is probably the least significant part but also still very significant in that this amends other legislation including the Land Transport Act. And I guess there's a number of questions I've got and the first one is in relation to clause 15 which amends section 9. In new section 9(1E) it says The Crown may without further appropriation than this subsection incur expenses or capital expenditure in a financial year up to an amount equal to the revenue for that financial year received from charges paid pursuant to regulations made under section 167(1)(j) of the Land Transport Act". And so my question there is in regards to the overs and unders which we've had a number of discussions about but the question I've really got for the Minister is: are we here limiting the amounts that can be effectively paid out in a financial year in terms of subsidies or in terms of administering the scheme to the amount of revenue that has been received in that particular year to fund the clean vehicle discount scheme? And as my colleague Hon Scott Simpson was referring to obviously there is Crown contributions which are thought of in part as the scheme is up and running. And my question is in relation to the timing of how long does the Minister expect this scheme to rely upon Crown contributions to continue to be able to operate? At what point does the scheme effectively pay for itself? And does this clause effectively require the scheme to be able to pay for itself?And then the second question I've got is actually in relation to the second tabled amendment which the Minister has brought to the House this evening which amends clause 26. Again I believe—and please correct me if I'm wrong—that effectively this is about making sure that the language is consistent in that it did say in the current drafting "if the charges prescribed for the vehicle under section 167A of the Act have not been paid." so it's referring to when the fees are paid and it amends that to the "the fees or charges prescribed for the vehicle under section 167A(1)(J) for the purpose of section 167". So my understanding—and please correct me if I'm wrong Minister—is the purpose is to make it consistent right through the Act. And does that consistency also include referring to fees or charges? Because that is what Part 1 refers to in the clause in new section 167 giving the Minister the ability to create regulations to authorise fees or charges.And the subsequent question from that is—because if it is meant to be referring to fees or charges then in clause 15 we've got an instance here where it's only referring to charges. So it says here in new section 9(1E) "revenue for that financial year received from charges paid pursuant to regulations". So we've got an instance here where the clause is referring to exactly the same empowering provision from Part 1 but it is only in this particular clause in clause 15 only referring to charges and not fees. And so the question I've got and he may want to answer is: whether this particular clause should also include reference to fees or charges since the empowering provision actually allows the Minister to be able to actually charge a fee or a charge?And I guess that brings me to the question of what's the difference between a fee or a charge? I'm not sure if that's actually defined in this particular piece of legislation. And then the question is whether that needs amending because I note in clause 15 new section 9(1G) it refers to charges paid. So again does that need to refer to fees or charges? And if it doesn't need to refer to fees or charges in those particular clauses why are we referring to fees or charges in some clauses and then in other clauses we're only referring to charges? And if that's something which the Minister is preparing tabled amendments to fix some particular clauses does that mean that we may need to have other tabled amendments to fix those other clauses? I look forward to the Minister's response to those questions."