Kapa-Kingi MariamenoMARIAMENO KAPA-KINGI (Te Pāti Māori—Te Tai Tokerau): Madam Chair kia ora. Just to tautoko my colleagues on this side of the committee by saying this—i roto i te hauora—all of those in our hauora and our social service sector: we must cause no harm right? This will cause harm—this will cause harm. When you shorten time particularly for Māori and social workers to gain the credentials but particularly the cultural aspects of it and shorten it simply to fill a shortage of social workers is simply unsafe. I can demonstrate that because it took me more than four years—and I said earlier before that I wouldn't say what the number was but it did take me time and many like me. Why? It's because we're working while we're getting credentials—we're working while we get on the way; we are on the job. I think that's missing in the understanding and the result that we're getting to in this amendment. I mean when the whole registration board idea came about I was a social worker in the sector—well we didn't call ourselves social workers" because we weren't allowed to even though we did; we were more like Whānau Ora workers we were more like kaitiaki. We carried that responsibility which you know over years that whole concept of working with cultural capability has never been truly understood right? So part of this work I hope is to understand that. My position and I guess my insistence is to say that this will cause harm. I know it to be so because of my experience of more than 40 years in the sector working in social justice working in the space with whānau who have harm just hoisted upon them particularly by the system and by legislation that just doesn't understand our reality. So I want to make those points. It's a set up. You're setting up—sorry this idea sets up our people—I'm trying to manage the "you" word—CHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger): Thank you I appreciate that.MARIAMENO KAPA-KINGI: —as you can tell—even though in my heart that's probably what I'm feeling because this is a space that I've worked in too long to ignore what I'm listening to today.So it is a set up and it will cause harm not only to our practitioners but also to our whānau because the idea of putting in our social workers when they're just not ready in that way it will bring harm—more harm.So my question is: are you saying by your decision—CHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger): Is the Minister saying.MARIAMENO KAPA-KINGI: —sorry—the Minister's decision. What I heard in your discussion was that you are content with your decision which sounded to me like the Minister will go on record as rejecting the written record by the national body—two of them in fact the tangata whenua body—that the Minister will go on record as being satisfied that that's the position that'll be taken and in fact rejecting tangata whenua outwardly and therefore Māori. Thank you Madam Chair.CHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger): OK. So at this point in time I'm just going to say that we've got to a point where we've had a lot of debate on the Minister's position and we have had two Ministers in the Chamber this afternoon. I think we have clarity on the Minister's position at the moment. So I'm looking for any other clarification around this very small piece of legislation. So I'm just going to call Willow-Jean Prime."