Bennett GlenGLEN BENNETT (Labour—New Plymouth): Kia ora Mr Speaker. As I have sat here this afternoon and listened to some of this debate it's been really interesting to hear people's perspectives; to hear and understand why different parties and people think the way that they do. Part of it I sometimes wonder is around lived experiences or things that have or haven't been experienced by different members. I'm not one to judge or to know each of our experiences but I know I have my own reflections and experiences on this. I've been involved not as a lawyer but as a support person on many occasions through our legal system—our justice system here in New Zealand—whether that be through youth justice or in the mainstream court system. It's always been interesting to be walking alongside an offender and to go through the experience of sitting in the foyer of the courthouse of lining up to meet with the duty lawyer—which is a service which again I'm grateful we have here in New Zealand but it has it has its limitations—and to go through that process often with young people or with people who haven't experienced it before or have little expertise in the justice system or little money which I guess very much is what this legislation is about. What I've heard several times as I've been listening this afternoon is that we need to ensure that justice be served. That is important—that is really important and so often you look at the headlines in the newspaper or on the TV and sometimes as we watch it's hard not to get cynical when you see those who have money and those who have resources those who have been born or found spaces where they know the justice system they know lawyers or they have money to pay for those good for those effective—not always good but those effective lawyers that can actually do the mahi for them. So that's when for me there's been times going through this process having to fill out forms having to advocate to ensure that justice is served. This legislation I believe is a step to continue to open up that space for justice to be served. It seems like a little but for many $50 is a lot. So to remove the $50 user charge that's currently payable by most people this makes a difference. This makes a difference. For some it seems so little; it seems like nothing. But for some of us and for many of the people in our communities that is a lot. When we talk about the 5 percent interest charge on unpaid legal aid debt again by removing this it just makes it more accessible. Again another thing I've had many times is the inability to pay and then the letter comes and the letter gets filed in the bin or on top of the fridge with all the other letters because they know what's in it—they know that there's interest on what they've already expected to pay. They know that it's going to rise and it's going to move. So often—because they can't afford to pay it it's put on the back burner or it's completely ignored. Which shouldn't be but it's the reality for many people when you're struggling financially. So to remove the $50 user charge is important to then get rid of the 5 percent interest charge makes justice far more accessible for people. So that's why we on this side of the House are moving this legislation through this afternoon. That's why the Justice Committee has been in that space and has heard submissions and has got to where we are today. That's why I want to thank our Minister of Justice for making sure that we stand up because us as a Labour Party—it's about the $5; it's about the $50; it's actually about making sure that everyone in this country has access to justice. If that means having to change legislation to move things forward if that means having to have debates and push it through this afternoon and have the other side not support us well that's what we're here for.We're here to stand up for those on the margins stand up for those at the grassroots and stand up to ensure that justice is served. I commend this bill to the House.