O'Connor Greg; Brown SimeonClause 5 New sections 167BA and 167BB insertedCHAIRPERSON (Greg O'Connor): Members Arena Williams' tabled amendments to insert new clauses 5B 5C and 5D should probably be inserted before clause 5 so we will address them now. Arena Williams' tabled amendment to insert new clause 5B is out of order as being outside the scope of the bill. Arena Williams' tabled amendment to insert new clause 5C is out of order as being outside the scope of the bill. Arena Williams' tabled amendment to insert new clause 5D is out of order as being outside the scope of the bill.Members we come now to clause 5 New sections 167BA and 167BB inserted". Members please note Arena Williams' tabled amendment to insert new clause 5H inserting new section 167BAB should probably be an amendment to clause 5 so it will be considered as part of this debate.Hon SIMEON BROWN (Minister of Transport): Well thank you Mr Chair. This is a new sections 167BA and 167BB. These are effectively a clause which inserts the ability for regulations to be made for the purpose of prescribing or providing for the fixing of fees and charges payable by a person effectively to cover the cost incurred by the agency and exercising the functions or powers performing duties or providing services under Part 13 or regulations relating to Part 13.So effectively what this is doing is it's saying well the Clean Vehicle Standard which up until this point has been funded via general taxation—there has been appropriation of I think around $11.8 million to fund the operation of the Clean Vehicle Standard. Instead of it being paid for by via general taxation it will be paid for via fees or charges and those will be determined under these clauses and this provides the powers for these regulations to be able to be set.Now the reason for having a cost-recovery model in place rather than the previous taxpayer-funded model is effectively for two reasons: firstly we on this side of the House believe that where possible where particular parts of society or industries are being provided by the Crown and there's a benefit to that industry they should be paying for that.Now of course the argument from the other side is "Well the benefit is wider and therefore it should just be covered by everybody." And there's an argument that can be had around that point but we've decided as a Government that it is our intention that those who import motor vehicles should be paying for the Clean Vehicle Standard and the scheme. That is a fiscal saving for the Crown but we've also made sure that we go through a process to ensure that it is going to be a much more efficient system.When I became the Minister I was advised that $11.8 million was allocated to the system. Actually the real cost of operating it is much closer to $6.4 million. And so what we had was a Government which was overpaying using taxpayers' money for a system which actually costs a lot less than is actually required. And so we've cut cost out we've made sure that it is going to be focused on what the actual cost is and expenses to do the job rather than simply just allocating a certain amount of money and then spreading that cost across all taxpayers.So that's what this clause does. There's obviously a number of elements within it in relation to the people who will be paying. There's the empowering provisions around different rates or charges or both—maybe prescribed or fixed. It's effectively an empowering provision to achieve that purpose. Then after this is passed there will be ability before it comes into law on 1 July 2025 for a consultation and a process to be under way to determine what the appropriate mechanism is for this to be undertaken in consultation with the industry who will be paying this fee."