Bennett David; Rurawhe AdrianHon DAVID BENNETT (National): Thank you Mr Speaker. This bill is a pipedream from a Minister or two that have some illusion of how a market works and some misunderstanding of how this bill will actually work in practice. Worse than that it is a direct attack on the most vulnerable New Zealanders that will have to pay through the nose for this bill. This is politics of the elite for the elite and it will hurt the people that very much are the ones that need to be looked after in the transition to a modern climate change economy and how we undertake transport. We all understand there will be change. We all understand that there will be people moving to more electric vehicles and we don't stand in the way at all. But we do not want a Government that sets rules that are impractical and can never work and will fail. More importantly they will cost New Zealanders before they have worked out they have failed.This bill is a disgrace for what it is going to do to hard-working Kiwis. The Motor Industry Association—if anybody hasn't read a press release that begs a Government like that press release read it. It says here that this has demonstrated an appalling lack of understanding of how to effectively reduce emissions". It says also "the targets were a nasty surprise." They were unexpected. "There is no obvious rationale and it seems it is a revenue gathering exercise for New Zealand to have targets that are tougher than other jurisdictions like Europe." This is at a time when nobody speaks up against this Government and yet the Motor Industry Association has slammed them for what is effectively a tax grab on middle New Zealanders and it will never work.Now when we have the Minister there he did—it was a rapid reduction. Well he has this vision that will change the New Zealand transport sector overnight. That will not happen. He was very careful to mention the word "charges" with the most gentle of breath and not talk about what that actually involves because that will be a 15 to 20 percent increase on light vehicles and that's not larger vehicles; that's basically everything over a Suzuki Swift that has that potential of that 15 to 20 percent increase in cost. That is what they are going to do to New Zealand consumers.He talked about a significant change. Well it is significant and it will hurt our people. Half the cars in New Zealand come from overseas in the sense that they are imported as a second-hand car. How are we going to get the amount of fleet of cars that they are talking about when there's less than 200000 electric vehicles (EVs) in Japan? Now how are they going to achieve these goals? How are they practically going to see that the market will respond? Because when he talked about the market going out and buying 2000 EVs last July that's because they knew they were getting a discount. If they bought a non-EV car they'd have to be paying more next year so they were getting in before. That is called "the market reaction".The market reaction to this will be different from what the Minister expects because this applies to cars that are new or used that are coming into New Zealand. What will that market reaction mean for the most vulnerable New Zealanders? The most vulnerable New Zealanders will hold on to the cars they have. They will repair them constantly. We will see gas-guzzling cars on our roads for the next 20 years that could have been taken off these roads. They will be the unsafe cars that people in vulnerable communities will continue to use. They will be the ones that use petrol and diesel because they won't have the ability to take advantage of these credits or these payments that are going to be made to them. They are in the real world where they have to buy the cheapest car they can get and they are going to repair that cheapest car they can get for as long as they can. That is what will happen. We won't have this substantial great change that the Labour Party and the Green Party envisage in their dreams. Let's look at the practise of reality: people will keep their old cars longer and they will do less for the economy and they will do less for our emissions as a country because we will be keeping those older cars. This will backfire on this Government.We know that's how the market operates. They do not understand how things change when people see structures that are put in place by Government that distort a market. This is a classic example of the Labour and Greens knowing better and they think they can change the rules. But the distortion will be the opposite of what would actually happen if we enabled people to take up new technology if we enable people to look at what the provision of that actually is as well. How is that going to work with the providers that actually import those cars? All the responsibility is on them under this bill. But we don't actually know what's in this bill yet because all those costs are in regulation and the regulations haven't been set. So it's great for this Minister to say "Oh we can go to select committee and have a full process." It will be meaningless because the Minister sets the regulations and the regulations will not be in select committee. So we can debate till the cows come home what we think the cost will be but we will never know until we see those regulations. And those regulations if they're going to be substantial if they're going to be significant if they're going to be a rapid reduction then they will hurt New Zealanders more than they will ever see.At least sometimes the Labour Government and the Greens have enabled people to see what's coming their way. This time they're hiding it behind regulation. Be up front. Put those regulations out now so that people can submit on them if we're such a decent kind and caring Government. Do that. Show people what they're actually going to be paying because when you're paying 15 to 20 percent that is a lot of money for vulnerable New Zealanders. That's the reality of what will happen under this bill. Not only that it's going to force those hard-working Kiwis that can't use public transport because they actually have to travel to a job at 5 o'clock in the morning across town in Auckland or wherever in New Zealand—they actually need to be able to carry some tools. They need to be able to have a trailer with their gear on the back of it. They need to actually have a ute for their business. They won't have that opportunity.The Minister says in one of his comments in the papers "Every 75ks on average there's an EV charging port." Well that's on average; we don't actually know through the whole country. You can go more than 75 kilometres through most of this country and not have anything like that. They are convenient with the truth because they are trying to present an angle that is not actually the reality for most New Zealanders. Most New Zealanders have to get in a car to get to work. Most New Zealanders need to get in the car to go do the way they live their life. Most Kiwis that are working have a vehicle that actually helps them work like a ute. Effectively under this legislation it's basically going to stop people having a ute unless they have to pay a big tax to this Government. That is their intention. It is a tax grab to change people's use of vehicle.Now that's fine if you think you can all cycle and walk to work and you can all take your tools and you can all take your concrete mixer and cycle to work with that. The reality is that's not going to happen. It's not going to be that way. The practicality is somewhat different. The practicality is that Kiwis live in a country which is spread out. The practicality is that Kiwis live in a country where we do have a lot of used imported vehicles. The practicality is that we are in a country that hasn't got the EV charging stations all across the country that some might think we have. The practicality is that New Zealanders generally have reasonably low incomes and they are exactly the people that this Government purports to represent and they are exactly the people that will be hurt by this legislation.The ultra left-winging sort of academic Labour voter is going to be fine. They'll all be able to have an EV in Kelburn and drive to the university and drive home. That's going to be fine. They'll be fine. What about the worker that's in East Auckland that has to go to West Auckland to work? How's that going to happen? They're not going to have an EV that's going to do that. They can't afford that. They need to actually have a practical vehicle. They've got a second-hand Japanese import; that's what they've got now. And what are you going to do? Make them have that for the next 20 years. Hold those people back hold our country's ability back to actually achieve environmental gains. The Treasury even said that this bill has dubious elements of what it will achieve environmentally. They've even told you that it's the official advice. The industry have told the Government; they didn't listen. The public have told the Government they don't want a ute tax. But they have gone ahead but the market will show them the folly of their ways and people will go out there and they will make this worse—DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order! The member's time has expired."