Logie JanJAN LOGIE (Green): Thank you Madam Chair. There's a few Supplementary Order Papers (SOPs) I'm hoping I can cover off in this contribution now but firstly I do just want to clear up that in a previous speech I gave the statistics of one in four women in this country having experienced an abortion. That was challenged by the member Agnes Loheni saying that that was just not true. Well actually it's in the Law Commission's report at chapter 2 page 31. They cite research that women born in 1972 and 1973—they found that one in four had had an abortion and the Abortion Supervisory Committee states that around 30 percent of women have had an abortion in this country. This is verified data. I am not making things up in this debate. This is the reality in this country. Before I get on to the SOPs but also just talking about some of the tone around some of the debate we have had quite a few people opposing the legislation on faith grounds and I respect that. I also do just want to share what a member of my electorate in her Facebook post this evening—because I think it applies to all of our communities—said: As a Samoan woman we're not encouraged to talk about these things but I have to because the silence of this is deafening. I've sat with young vulnerable Pacific women who made this choice because of a circumstance they felt they couldn't control. I've taken them to counsellors who have helped them through the tough times because of a decision that they know will be with them for life. I've also heard the stories of young Pacific women who had their pregnancies gave birth in bathrooms and left their babies in dumpsters. Sadly there are also those who are not here to share this pain. Then there is this truth. There are daughters sisters mothers and friends that may have experienced this and you don't and will never know because it becomes their shame that they carry." That relates to this legislation and my advocacy for option A because at the heart of option A is removing the stigma and enabling people to talk about their accessing of healthcare needs as so many women are doing but are living with shame because we stigmatise this and pretend it's not happening. I also would like to speak to three amendments—specifically Marama Davidson's SOP 474 to improve the safe zone provisions from the existing legislation. I want to say that I don't see this as a freedom of expression debate. I see this as how we can prevent a specific form of harassment that is proven to cause harm. We've got really really strong evidence of that harm. It's not about protesting; it is about intimidation and harassment and the fact that our current settings as I've seen in some communities where there have been attempts to get councils to pass bylaws where there's been the attempts to get the police to enforce harassment laws when women have come to others and are saying that they're feeling really harmed by these approaches and nobody would intervene—and my concern is that criminalising is too high a threshold. We're not going to get the police intervening when they think it's going to criminalise people. So this is a compromise in terms of setting up an infringement process and I think it balances freedom of speech and having an active vehicle to prevent harassment. I'd also like to speak to my SOP 455. I've been getting some flak for this amendment which is to change the language from the legislation that just refers to "woman" to talk about "pregnant woman and other pregnant people". But I do just want to say that we were presented with evidence from trans men who are or who have been pregnant who recounted to us the barriers that they've encountered in reality in life accessing maternity services. Just adding these simple additional words in this piece of legislation would help remove those actual barriers to decent healthcare that people are experiencing. To many in this House this may be the first they've heard of trans men having babies but let me assure you it happens—and non-binary people as well. This is something that not many people are aware of but there's a growing number of people who are coming out. The Youth 2000 survey of 2012 found that 4 percent of young people either identified as trans or were unsure of their gender. If we're going to futureproof our legislation let's do this."