McKelvie IanParts 1 and 2 Schedule and clauses 1 to 3CHAIRPERSON (Hon Ruth Dyson): Oh spoilt for choice—Ian McKelvie.IAN McKELVIE (National—Rangitīkei): Oh you're kind Madam Chair. Sorry Erica. And I'm not that quick to get up. [Interruption] They didn't have to laugh did they? I've spent a bit of time watching the House today. I watched Nick Smith and I've learnt something today. I've figured that if you could make that much of a game of the Public Service Act—and I thought it was quite well written—I'm going to have a field day with this one. So we could be here tomorrow given the lessons I've learnt from Nick Smith but I won't do that to you. I am new to this business and unfortunately I didn't get to sit through the select committee which I would have certainly enjoyed. Forestry is a very important part of what we do in New Zealand and I think will become an increasingly important part of what we do. Whilst I don't always agree with the Minister's aspirations for the industry or for the land and the people in it he does none the less have an enthusiasm for the industry which I think is worthy of the cause. It is a very important industry for New Zealand and it's one that we must make sure works properly. But I'm not sure that—we certainly don't agree that this bill is the way that we should go about it. I do have a number of questions that I think I would like the Minister to answer initially on and I know that the Environment Committee had some discussion on a lot of this stuff—a very brief discussion unfortunately but none the less they had a brief discussion on the bill. But what I guess concerns me initially about it—and I don't know whether the Minister can enlighten us to the fact or to the point and that is around the costs of the bill to this industry and the cost of the imposition of Part 1 of the bill to the industry. Obviously that's where all the—and I'm not talking about the regulation yet—I'll get on to that in a minute—but primarily the costs of the levies and how it might be structured and what that's going to cost the industry. The other thing that I think is interesting is that it's taken so long to get this bill to the House and I wonder having got it there right at this point why was there such urgency to get the thing passed and get it into action? Obviously the regulation will come first. So that was really my question of the Minister.Hon SHANE JONES (Minister of Forestry): Thank you for relieving us of any tension we may have been suffering that you want us to remain here indefinitely and discuss this bill because it's self-explanatory. But can I direct the member's attention to page 8 of the commentary and there is a reference there under the heading Cost recovery". Can I also direct his attention to a new section 63ZK where it completely imposes an obligation—and I have to acknowledge the mahi of the select committee in this regard—on the Minister to consult with people who would be substantially affected before regulating for a cost to be imposed. I just want to remind fellow members of the House and indeed those from the industry sector who may be listening in that this creates a regime that does not come into force until such time when regulations have been constructed. They will be the subject of an extensive consultation process which will include all sectors including the tangata whenua and during the development of those regulations I have every confidence as outlined in 63ZI and 63ZK that any anxieties that people may be suffering at the moment or reflected by Mr McKelvie can be dealt with during that process."