Tuiono Teanau; Ngarewa-Packer Debbie; McAnulty Kieran; van de Molen Tim; Abel SteveRESOURCE MANAGEMENT (NATURAL AND BUILT ENVIRONMENT AND SPATIAL PLANNING REPEAL AND INTERIM FAST-TRACK CONSENTING) BILLSecond ReadingDebate resumed.ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Teanau Tuiono): The House is resumed on the second reading of the Resource Management (Natural and Built Environment and Spatial Planning Repeal and Interim Fast-track Consenting) Bill. We're going to start with either a Te Pāti Māori or Green Party split call. Up to you. DEBBIE NGAREWA-PACKER (Co-Leader—Te Pāti Māori): Kia ora. Tēnā koe e te Pīka. Tēnā tātou e te Whare. Look again as I said earlier this evening it's a shame that we are here in urgency discussing something so critical—especially critical for us as Māori—after the great relationship that particularly National used to enjoy with Māori. I think about the reflections on the National Iwi Chairs and the relationships you had in helping to design in collaboration with iwi technicians the Ministry for the Environment regulations the Environmental Protection Authority regulations the best-practice guidelines for engaging with all companies and I'm just really struggling to understand that this is the National that we're dealing with today that has completely ignored its relationships with iwi and with Māori who have fought really hard to get what they could in this space.I get why you're picking a fight with Māori. You know we've got ACT that got 1 percent of the Māori vote we've got New Zealand First that got 4 percent of the Māori vote we've got National that got 5 percent of the Māori vote—you've barely got 10 percent in total of the Māori vote. So I guess it's a comfort rip in and take them on" at the moment but the reality is for those of us who got six seven times more than you did for Māori voters and who actually enjoy six of the seven Māori electorate seats we're really concerned with what it is you're doing and the fearmongering that you've put in especially when it comes to discussing kupu like "te Oranga o te Taiao".Those are kupu and if this is what this is about—that you're worried how that's going to fare in court—I'm really really stunned that given again the history you've had and that you've enjoyed which I'm struggling to see if you're going to continue you're sitting here and saying "Actually we need to repeal today because we're worried how that will be interpreted in the courts." So let me get this straight. You're worried about "oranga" you're worried about "wellbeing of the environment" you're worried about "acting with precaution in a precautionary way" you're worried about being intergenerationally focused and sustaining what it is that we should be doing. It's really concerning.The other part that I do want to pick up in the five minutes that we've had to be able to reflect on what it is that you've put in this—you have used the system to not only pick a fight with Māori; you have also done things that we see in page 85—it could be 83; don't quote me—where you have replied by putting in this: you've replaced "Te Tiriti" with "Treaty". You have replaced "Te Tiriti" with "Treaty". Of all the things that I thought you would pick that is the last thing that I would have thought that you would sit there and do within this rushed bill that we have before us.I think the thing that's really concerning for us in this stage is that again if you are attempting to move us to the English version of Te Tiriti on page 83 and following up making hapū invisible with the erasure of all mentions of hapū—on page 83 there is absolutely no mention of hapū. It's like we just didn't exist. I'm struggling to believe that this is the party—you know forget all your coalition buddies but this is the party that prided itself in its relationships its parallel engagement and policy development with iwi technicians.The Treaty settlements appear to be protected but there's an expectation that the Treaty settlement legislation needs to be amended to achieve that. So much for full and final! I'm stunned David that you're attached to this. But the thing is—I mean how will you come home? But the reality too is if you are saying that the settlements are now open that full and final is no longer something that's going to be respected and this goes to the principle of full and final then what is it that the Government is attempting to do?You know we get that this is a transitional bill. You've got a lot of things you're doing in 100 days. I don't know what you expect to try and improve in 100 days but the real meat as we understand will be in the fast-track bill itself. But what you have done particularly—and I want our people to be really clear—with "Te Tiriti" changed to "Treaty of Waitangi" as we believe that you are doing in page 83 you are attempting to remove the relationship that you have truly and fully with Māori and you are now defaulting to the English version of the Treaty. That is shameful. That is not a way that is looking after the best interests of all Māori. But as I said at the beginning I get with those on the right who barely got 10 percent of the Māori votes you feel comfortable enough doing that. Kia ora rā.Hon KIERAN McANULTY (Labour): Point of order Mr Speaker. There seems to be a bit of a misunderstanding. Before the dinner break it was explained to the Speaker that the call was given to us when it was a Māori Party call. So we made an arrangement with the Māori Party that they could then take our five-minute call on call No. 10 to even it out. The Māori Party—Te Pāti Māori apologies—was given the call immediately after the dinner break. Our understanding therefore is that the Green Party should have the five-minute call in call No. 10. The alternative is that we will as the Labour Party miss out on our five-minute call because Ingrid Leary made a call on the assumption that it was a five-minute call leading right up to the maiden speeches. If she wasn't given the opportunity and as yourself Mr Speaker indicated it was straight away either a Māori Party or Green call the Labour Party will miss out on five minutes speaking time in this as a result.TIM VAN DE MOLEN (National—Waikato): Speaking to the point of order—thank you Mr Speaker. The issue was that the Labour speaker just before the dinner break had a 10-minute call and so as a result of that that took the entire call No. 6 as it was on the run sheet at that point which then meant after the dinner break recommenced it should have commenced with National Party call No. 7 being a 10-minute call. Because now we're seeing the call going instead to the Māori Party and Green Party and if we don't then have call Nos 8 and 9 then we would be disadvantaged in terms of the allocation of calls. I can understand what Mr McAnulty said but it was a 10-minute call not a five-minute split call and so that's the difference because obviously now we would miss out on the allocation we should be entitled to. STEVE ABEL (Green): Point of order. My recollection of what the Speaker said was that the 4½ minutes remaining on the Labour Party call could be taken after the dinner break.Hon KIERAN McANULTY (Labour): Point of order. As I mentioned in the original point of order the arrangement was made with the Speaker to explain the situation. The issue with the clock is not uncommon. Ingrid Leary sat down after five minutes because that was the start of the maiden speeches. She had full rights to continue on but sat down on the assumption it was five minutes. That's because of the maiden speeches. That's how we carried on. This is easily resolved. If the Green Party took their five-minute call in call No. 10 we wouldn't; the National Party don't lose out we have our full allocation and it ends up as exactly the same speaking spots as originally intended.Tim van de Molen: Speaking further to that Mr Speaker—ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Teanau Tuiono): Hold on a second. I'm just going to take some advice. So I've taken some advice and according to the Standing Orders parties have the ability to negotiate work between themselves about how the twelve 10-minute calls can be made. I take the Hon Kieran McAnulty's word for it that that was an arrangement that was made with the Speaker. So I guess we can add a five-minute call somewhere in there. I guess that is what we will do.Hon KIERAN McANULTY (Labour): Point of order. I believe all that needs to happen Mr Speaker is for the Green Party to take one of the two split calls on call No. 10. That will then even it all out. The Labour Party took five minutes which was intended for call No. 10. The earlier split call was between Te Pāti Māori and the Green Party. If we just do a swap with the Greens instead of Te Pāti Māori as originally intended it'll all come out even.ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Teanau Tuiono): So your solution is you take the split call now?Hon KIERAN McANULTY (Labour): We're done. We did ours before the dinner break. Outstanding at the moment is the Green Party. If they take our slot on call No. 10 it'll all come out even.ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Teanau Tuiono): I think the ruling here is that the Green Party split call will be at slot No. 10 so get ready to jump up. I think that's the best way to move forward.TIM VAN DE MOLEN (National—Waikato): Speaking to that the issue is though that it's recorded now as being on speech No. 7 not on the second half of speech No. 6. And that was quite clearly because just prior to the dinner break the Speaker in the Chair made it very clear that Miss Leary had 4½ minutes remaining on her call which she could take once we resumed if she chose to. So it was very clear in the Speaker's mind that it was not a split call that it was a full 10-minute allocation and that she had used more than half of that.ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Teanau Tuiono): But in order to move the business of the House forward—I mean I wasn't there when they had that discussion which I hope you will appreciate. And the best way forward with my understanding of the Speakers' rulings is that parties are able to negotiate how they split that those twelve 10-minute calls. I take the Hon Kieran McAnulty's word on it. This is the best way to move forward. The Green Party will take the split call at slot No. 10. I call the next speaker—David MacLeod."