Brown SimeonSIMEON BROWN (National—Pakuranga): Thank you Madam Chair. I just want to pick up where Minister Wood left off there in regards to the conversation of utes. I'm not sure if he actually read the departmental report which officials brought to the select committee on this bill where it said—it gave some very clear evidence in regards to the availability of utes which may be hybrid plug-in hybrid or zero emissions up to 2025. The evidence is very clear: for the four-wheel drive ute market there's looking to be one particular type of ute which may be able to fit that market by 2025. So what the Minister is effectively saying here is that he is happy for farmers and for tradies and people who require a four-wheel drive ute for their job to effectively have to rely on one particular model which may have a very limited range being their only option available up to 2025.So this is not just some sort of theoretical ideological issue which the Minister sort of looks at in his ivory tower up there in the Beehive and looks at the market and can try and pull the levers. This is a reality. It's an actual reality in terms of what is required by these people in our community who work on our farms and the tradies who build our houses and do those jobs throughout New Zealand. What this Government is effectively saying is what the Prime Minister said as well which is actually all those people buying utes they don't really buy them for legitimate purposes. Actually they don't purchase them for legitimate purposes. They're actually just illegitimate ute owners. They could actually just put their tools in their bag and go on the train or potentially—Hon Member: Bike.SIMEON BROWN: Bike. Bike down the farm to the far end and deal with the—Hon Member: You could get a horse.SIMEON BROWN: Get on a horse. That's right. Or potentially cycle across town to work on that building site. That's effectively what the Minister is trying to say. Or they can have a vehicle which—Hon Member: Slow tram.SIMEON BROWN: Or a slow tram—or a slow tram which may potentially be built by 2050-something I don't know. Or potentially it won't be built at all which is probably more likely.But the point here is the alternative is they have to buy a vehicle which effectively doesn't fit their needs and won't be able to actually give them what they need. The Government and the Prime Minister says Well they're making an illegitimate choice." and that is exactly the chardonnay socialism which is littered through this piece of legislation in giving extreme powers to the Minister without actually working again with industry to make sure that people have the choices that they actually need to be able to do their jobs. And so in this instance when it comes to utes effectively the answer in this piece of legislation is to tax those people rather than actually saying "Those people should be exempted until the market is available for them to be able to have that option and that choice." That is something which isn't available now and up until about 2025 the evidence is very clear from the submissions that that market is still developing and will need more time. So I do ask the Minister to reconsider his very hard-line and extreme position of not supporting this Supplementary Order Paper.I do acknowledge his willingness to engage with me in regards to disability vehicles. I'm grateful that the Government has listened to my pleas on that issue and will be exempting disability vehicles. I know there'll be many people up and down the country grateful that the Government has listened to what the National Party has been putting forward on that particular issue.But when it comes to utes and our farmers and our tradies the Government continues to say they are illegitimate users. Another piece of evidence which was brought to the committee was the fact that 70 percent of people purchasing utes are purchasing them for their business. They're not just purchasing them to have a cool big car to drive down the road. They're not just buying it just to park it in the driveway. They're actually buying it for their work so that they can contribute to this country and contribute to our economy and actually build things and do things and make things. Those are the people that this Government punishes whilst they find money to support and subsidise those who can already afford to purchase Teslas and other types of electric vehicles.So I do ask the Minister to reconsider his position on this particular issue. I know there are tens of thousands of New Zealanders who are looking at this and staring at these costs and saying "That's unacceptable. It's just another tax from this Government.""