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Robertson H V Ross: Debate on Crown Entities Public Organisations  and State Enterprises — In Committee 
Robertson H V Ross: Debate on Crown Entities Public Organisations  and State Enterprises — In Committee 
[Volume:631;Page:3065] 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Yes.
Hughes Darren: Debate on Crown Entities Public Organisations  and State Enterprises — In Committee 
Hughes Darren: Debate on Crown Entities Public Organisations  and State Enterprises — In Committee 
[Volume:631;Page:3065] 
DARREN HUGHES (Junior Whip—Labour) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. Thank you for your innovation. Government and Opposition whips have not had a chance to confer on what you have just proposed. When you say State enterprises are you talking about AgriQuality New Zealand through to Transpower New Zealand?
Robertson H V Ross: Debate on Crown Entities Public Organisations  and State Enterprises — In Committee 
Robertson H V Ross: Debate on Crown Entities Public Organisations  and State Enterprises — In Committee 
[Volume:631;Page:3065] 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I understand that the next group of entities that members wish to debate is the State-owned enterprises. There is a considerable number of them. Is it the wish of the Committee that they be taken as one question? The reason for that is to allow a debate covering the financial reviews of all State enterprises. Is there any objection to that course of action being taken? There is not. The question therefore is that the reports on the 2004-05 financial reviews of State enterprises be noted.
Cosgrove Clayton: Debate on Crown Entities Public Organisations  and State Enterprises — In Committee 
Cosgrove Clayton: Debate on Crown Entities Public Organisations  and State Enterprises — In Committee 
[Volume:631;Page:3064] 
Hon CLAYTON COSGROVE (Associate Minister of Finance) 
: 
 I will take just a short call in respect of this matter. I want to touch on one of Mrs Rich’s final points and that was the risk associated with venture capital. Of course if one has been in business—and a number of us have—one knows that any venture capital management requires prudent allocation of funds. The New Zealand Venture Investment Fund is a success story built around a Government that says we should back our universities and our Crown research institutes. It is a success story built around the fact that we believe we need to inject technology into our communities and back those institutions. 
The member touched on Ectus and she is right. It was sold to a Norwegian company and very profitably. It is interesting to note that in the 2005-06 year New Zealand Venture Investment Fund received a $1.5 million distribution from fund managers Endeavour-icap. So there are a number of stark examples here of a successful fund. Venture capital is risky it requires prudent commercial judgment—and with risk of course sometimes there can be failure or sometimes there can be delay. Most of that delay I would argue is based around prudential management by the board and those involved. 
I thank the member for her contribution. It was one of the more enlightened contributions this afternoon. My blood pressure did not rise unlike former speakers who have been here. That member generally makes a far better contribution than some of her colleagues. I endorse some of her comments but I remind the Committee that this fund with which the Government is backing our universities and our Crown research institutes and is attempting to inject technology into the market place was set up in 2002. It was formed of course by the current Government. 
I just note for the record that prior to that I cannot recall the party in Government pre-1999 having a policy on venture capital. If it did it was kept so secret that that party was the only one that knew about it because certainly universities did not certainly our Crown research institutes did not and certainly no one in the business community or in our communities knew it existed at all. It may have been a cracker policy but no one knew it existed—because it did not. I commend this organisation to the House. It is building on sound foundations and long may it continue. 
Report noted.
Hughes Darren: Debate on Crown Entities Public Organisations  and State Enterprises — In Committee 
Hughes Darren: Debate on Crown Entities Public Organisations  and State Enterprises — In Committee 
[Volume:631;Page:3057] 
DARREN HUGHES (Junior Whip—Labour) 
: 
 Having had a discussion with the senior Opposition whip I seek leave that we debate Housing New Zealand Corporation while Mr Maharey is the Minister in the chair. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: Leave is sought to do that. Is there any objection? There is not.
Tisch Lindsay: Debate on Crown Entities Public Organisations  and State Enterprises — In Committee 
Tisch Lindsay: Debate on Crown Entities Public Organisations  and State Enterprises — In Committee 
[Volume:631;Page:3046] 
LINDSAY TISCH (Senior Whip—National) 
: 
 I just wish to seek clarification on the two calls that a member can take. If we look at the first number of calls under Dr Cullen as Minister of Finance are we saying that there can be two calls on let us say Air New Zealand and two on the Earthquake Commission or is it two within that whole bracket of entities? 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: Two on each.
Hartley Ann: Debate on Crown Entities Public Organisations  and State Enterprises — In Committee 
Hartley Ann: Debate on Crown Entities Public Organisations  and State Enterprises — In Committee 
[Volume:631;Page:3045] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: The House is in Committee for the consideration of the performance of Crown entities public organisations and State enterprises. The debate on the performance of Crown entities public organisations and State enterprises is a series of debates on individual financial reviews of Crown entities public organisations and State enterprises as reported by select committees. The debates on the individual financial reviews should be relevant to their performance in the 2004-05 financial year and their current operations. A member may have no more than two calls on each financial review. Three hours is allowed for the debate. At the conclusion of the 3 hours the Chairperson shall report to the House. There is a list of financial reviews available for debate on the Table. I understand that members have indicated the Crown entities public organisations and State enterprises they wish to debate.
Dyson Ruth: Amended Answers to Oral Questions — Question No. 4 to Minister  11 May  
Dyson Ruth: Amended Answers to Oral Questions — Question No. 4 to Minister  11 May  
[Volume:631;Page:3045] 
Hon RUTH DYSON (Associate Minister for Social Development and Employment (CYF)) 
: 
 Last Thursday I gave an incorrect answer to question No. 4 from Dr Pita Sharples. In my answer to the sixth supplementary question I said that children are detained at the facility. For total clarification my answer should be that I am advised that four children had been held for 72 hours in the otherwise empty secure unit at Korowai Manaaki but no children are currently being held there.
Smith Lockwood: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Smith Lockwood: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:631;Page:3045] 
12.  
Dr the Hon LOCKWOOD SMITH (National—Rodney) 
 to the  
Prime Minister 
: Has Noel Ingram QC received a response from Taito Phillip Field to the draft inquiry report into alleged conflict of interest? 
Rt Hon HELEN CLARK (Prime Minister) 
: 
 That is a matter for Mr Ingram QC. He is not directed by me. 
Dr the Hon Lockwood Smith 
: What has the head of her department Mr Maarten Wevers told her about the draft inquiry report and its preliminary findings in the last 3 weeks given that she told Parliament last week that Mr Wevers had inquired about it from time to time? 
Rt Hon HELEN CLARK 
: Nothing. 
Dr the Hon Lockwood Smith 
: Does the Prime Minister expect this House to believe that she has not been briefed at all by her head of department on the potential consequences of the criticisms in the draft Ingram report? 
Rt Hon HELEN CLARK 
: Yes. 
Dr the Hon Lockwood Smith 
: Does she mean then that just as with the billion-dollar Telecom leak she has told her officials she does not want to know the truth? 
Rt Hon HELEN CLARK 
: I believe in giving those who are charged with making inquiries the independence to make them. 
Dr the Hon Lockwood Smith 
: Why does she believe her initial estimate of the time needed for the inquiry 9 working days was so wrong when now almost 8 months have elapsed? 
Rt Hon HELEN CLARK 
: Inquiries must always take the time required to get to the root of the matter.
Beyer Georgina: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Beyer Georgina: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:631;Page:3044] 
11.  
GEORGINA BEYER (Labour) 
 to the  
Minister for Social Development and Employment 
: What reports has he received on increased participation in the labour force? 
Hon DAVID BENSON-POPE (Minister for Social Development and Employment) 
: 
 I have seen the household labour force survey for the March 2006 quarter which shows that the Government’s aim of increasing labour market participation is clearly on track. In the March quarter we had the highest-ever recorded rate of labour force participation at 68.5 percent and the highest-ever recorded level of employment with 2.1 million New Zealanders now in work—that is up 23000 this quarter and up 313000 since 1999. That is around 135 additional New Zealanders in work each day every day since 1999. Thirdly we have the lowest level of underemployment—that is people who want to work more hours and are unable to. 
Georgina Beyer 
: What specific changes have occurred with regard to labour market participation? 
Hon DAVID BENSON-POPE 
: Particular highlights of the household labour force survey are that female employment increased at above-average rates and is at a record high; there was a significant shift from part-time to full-time employment; Maori employment is at a record high; and for those aged between 20 and 24 years employment levels rose by 10.3 percent in the last year and the participation rate of that cohort rose sharply to 78.9 percent. 
Georgina Beyer 
: What initiatives has he seen that might put increased participation at risk? 
Hon DAVID BENSON-POPE 
: I have seen a member’s bill in the name of Wayne Mapp that proposes to make the decision to enter employment or change jobs more risky and less secure. In particular for those groups making a decision about whether to enter the labour force for the first time such as youth; or about to return to the labour force for example women; and for groups such as Maori who are disproportionately represented in the numbers of long-term unemployed the prospect of being dismissed within 90 days for no reason whatsoever must be a deterrent to labour force participation. 
Peter Brown 
: Is it not true that young people aged 15 to 19 are overly represented in the unemployment figures and what effect does he believe abolishing the minimum youth wage will have on their employment? 
Hon DAVID BENSON-POPE 
: I do not have any information about the speculative results of such a change. 
Peter Brown 
: I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. I admit there were two parts to the question but I think that at least one part should have been answered: “Is it not true that young people are highly represented in the unemployment figures?”. 
Hon DAVID BENSON-POPE 
: The member will be only too aware of the efforts that Work and Income New Zealand and the Ministry of Social Development generally are making to further increase the participation rates of young people in the workforce.
Brownlee Gerry: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Brownlee Gerry: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:631;Page:3034] 
6.  
GERRY BROWNLEE (Deputy Leader—National) 
 to the  
Prime Minister 
: Has she her Ministers or staff received any information or advice from the State Services Commissioner since he began his inquiry into the leaking of a confidential Budget-related Cabinet paper to Telecom New Zealand Ltd; if so what was that advice or information? 
Rt Hon HELEN CLARK (Prime Minister) 
: 
 As I have said publicly the State Services Commissioner has phoned me twice to advise on process. 
Gerry Brownlee 
: Has the State Services Commissioner advised the Prime Minister or any member of her Government of the name of the person who leaked the confidential Budget-related Cabinet paper to Telecom New Zealand Ltd; if so what specific action has been taken against that person? 
Rt Hon HELEN CLARK 
: To the best of my knowledge he certainly has not advised me and I do not believe that any other Minister has been advised. 
Gerry Brownlee 
: Why when Dr Prebble’s terms of reference expressly state that he is to report to the Prime Minister and the Minister of State Services are the Prime Minister and her Ministers stating they know nothing because they have not asked any questions; and is it really acceptable for a Government that used to wax lyrical about being transparent open and accountable to take that position? 
Rt Hon HELEN CLARK 
: It is simply because the State Services Commissioner has not reported and the Government has no desire to interfere in the process he is undergoing. 
Gerry Brownlee 
: When the State Services Commissioner was publicly stating late last week that he knew who the leaker was and that he would make the announcement sometime this week why did the Prime Minister not think it would be a good idea for either her or her Minister of State Services to pick up the phone and ask him who it was? 
Rt Hon HELEN CLARK 
: Dr Prebble rang me to tell me of the process. I have deemed it inappropriate to get early advice. 
Gerry Brownlee 
: Will the Prime Minister’s Government be cooperating fully with the Securities Commission’s inquiry into the effects of the release of the telecommunications stocktake paper on the markets; if so will she and her Ministers provide written and oral evidence if requested? 
Rt Hon HELEN CLARK 
: I am not aware of any such request but if the Government can help the Securities Commission of course it will. 
Gerry Brownlee 
: Did any person involved in the leak of the Cabinet paper work in a ministerial office? 
Rt Hon HELEN CLARK 
: The member like myself will have to wait for the State Services Commissioner’s report. I do not know.
Bradford Sue: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Bradford Sue: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:631;Page:3034] 
5.  
SUE BRADFORD (Green) 
 to the  
Minister for Economic Development 
: What reports has he received of reaction to the announcement of the $11.5 million Budget allocation for the Buy Kiwi Made initiative? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Minister for Economic Development) 
: 
 The announcement of funding for the Buy Kiwi Made initiative has been well received. I have seen statements welcoming the initiative from local manufacturers business groups and the New Zealand Council of Trade Unions. I was particularly heartened by the comment from Davey Hughes a business person in Levin who welcomed the announcement and urged other businesses to get in behind it. Just because he is the cousin of a leading Labour Party member does not mean that he cannot be a leading business person as well. 
Sue Bradford 
: What other support is the Government giving to the manufacturing sector of New Zealand? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: I would point out of course that the Buy Kiwi Made initiative is much broader than the manufacturing sector. But the Government is working in partnership with industry leaders manufacturers and unions to develop an industry-wide strategy for manufacturing. The emphasis has been on what industry can do to make sure that it has world-class manufacturers. 
Barbara Stewart 
: Can he confirm that the Buy Kiwi Made initiative is included in the confidence and supply agreement with New Zealand First? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: Yes I can. 
Sue Bradford 
: Does the Minister agree that it is a sensible economic development policy for New Zealand to ensure that it is not import-dependent especially in a world of pandemics terrorism biosecurity threats and peak oil? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: Encouraging New Zealanders to support quality local businesses is something all rational New Zealanders support. I note that the only opposition to that has come from ACT and the National Party—which confirms my view.
Jones Shane: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Jones Shane: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:631;Page:3029] 
1. SHANE JONES (Labour) 
 to the  
Minister of Finance 
: Has he received in the last few days any independent comparative reports on New Zealand’s levels of taxation? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Minister of Finance) 
: 
 No I have not received what I would consider to be any independent reports in the last few days. I did receive an OECD report a few weeks ago that based on robust comparative analysis found that New Zealand had the third lowest tax wedge for the average worker in the OECD. 
Shane Jones 
: How can he say he has not received any independent reports in the last few days when the Centre for Independent Studies released a report on Monday? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN 
: That report can hardly be called independent when its author is a former press secretary and researcher for the National Party. Indeed I have his card in my hands—Philip Rennie media research assistant to the Leader of the Opposition who at the time was Mr English. 
John Key 
: Can the Minister confirm that according to the Budget Economic and Fiscal Update the operating surplus over the next 3 years will be approximately $13.4 billion that that represents the surplus required to pay for the day-to-day running of the country—actually it does—and that he could have plenty of room for tax cuts if he wished to fund his capital purchases out of some borrowing going forward? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN 
: No I certainly cannot confirm that. What I can confirm first of all is that the Government is running quite significant cash deficits over the coming 4 years requiring a significant increase in borrowing. I can also confirm that Mr Rennie’s main comparison is with the United States. The United States is running at the moment a fiscal deficit that is more than three times the size of New Zealand’s GDP. 
Shane Jones 
: Has he seen any other additional reports on the taxation system from similar sources? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN 
: Yes I have just seen a report from another former National Party press secretary that presages a forthcoming policy that will make even National’s 2005 tax policy look one-dimensional. This report was headed: “Thanks Don. Now off you go.”
Turia Tariana: Motions — Mark Inglis—Conquest of Mount Everest Boating Tragedy—Foveaux Strait 
Turia Tariana: Motions — Mark Inglis—Conquest of Mount Everest Boating Tragedy—Foveaux Strait 
[Volume:631;Page:3029] 
TARIANA TURIA (Co-Leader—Maori Party) 
: 
 I move  
That this Parliament wishes to join with the people of Bluff and Invercargill in expressing its sorrow at the tragedy that has occurred in Foveaux Strait and in doing so acknowledges the excellent work undertaken by the community and the police and rescue services. 
Motion agreed to.
Motions — Mark Inglis—Conquest of Mount Everest Boating Tragedy—Foveaux Strait 
Motions — Mark Inglis—Conquest of Mount Everest Boating Tragedy—Foveaux Strait 
[Volume:631;Page:3029] 
Motions 
Mark Inglis—Conquest of Mount Everest 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Minister for Sport and Recreation) 
: 
 I move  
That the House extend its congratulations to Mark Inglis who last night reached the summit of Mount Everest making him the first double amputee to conquer the world’s highest peak. 
Motion agreed to. 
Boating Tragedy—Foveaux Strait 
TARIANA TURIA (Co-Leader—Maori Party) 
: 
 I move  
That this Parliament wishes to join with the people of Bluff and Invercargill in expressing its sorrow at the tragedy that has occurred in Foveaux Strait and in doing so acknowledges the excellent work undertaken by the community and the police and rescue services. 
Motion agreed to.
Mallard Trevor: Motions — Mark Inglis—Conquest of Mount Everest Boating Tragedy—Foveaux Strait 
Mallard Trevor: Motions — Mark Inglis—Conquest of Mount Everest Boating Tragedy—Foveaux Strait 
[Volume:631;Page:3029] 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Minister for Sport and Recreation) 
: 
 I move  
That the House extend its congratulations to Mark Inglis who last night reached the summit of Mount Everest making him the first double amputee to conquer the world’s highest peak. 
Motion agreed to.
Wilson Margaret: Visitors — Australia—Attorney-General 
Wilson Margaret: Visitors — Australia—Attorney-General 
[Volume:631;Page:3029] 
Madam SPEAKER 
: I have much pleasure in informing members that the Hon Philip Ruddock Attorney-General of Australia is within the precincts of this Chamber. I am sure that members would wish that he be welcomed and accorded a seat on the left of the Chair. I am sure that members would also welcome his accompanying delegation present in the gallery. 
Hon Philip Ruddock accompanied by the Hon Dr Michael Cullen entered the Chamber and took a seat on the left of the Chair.
Visitors — Australia—Attorney-General 
Visitors — Australia—Attorney-General 
[Volume:631;Page:3029] 
Tuesday 16 May 2006 
Madam Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Prayers 
. 
Visitors 
Australia—Attorney-General 
Madam SPEAKER 
: I have much pleasure in informing members that the Hon Philip Ruddock Attorney-General of Australia is within the precincts of this Chamber. I am sure that members would wish that he be welcomed and accorded a seat on the left of the Chair. I am sure that members would also welcome his accompanying delegation present in the gallery. 
Hon Philip Ruddock accompanied by the Hon Dr Michael Cullen entered the Chamber and took a seat on the left of the Chair.
Amended Answers to Oral Questions — Question No. 4 to Minister  11 May  
Amended Answers to Oral Questions — Question No. 4 to Minister  11 May  
[Volume:631;Page:3045] 
Amended Answers to Oral Questions 
Question No. 4 to Minister  11 May  
Hon RUTH DYSON (Associate Minister for Social Development and Employment (CYF)) 
: 
 Last Thursday I gave an incorrect answer to question No. 4 from Dr Pita Sharples. In my answer to the sixth supplementary question I said that children are detained at the facility. For total clarification my answer should be that I am advised that four children had been held for 72 hours in the otherwise empty secure unit at Korowai Manaaki but no children are currently being held there.
Vote: Easter Sunday Shop Trading Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Vote: Easter Sunday Shop Trading Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:631;Page:3193] 
A personal vote was called for on the question  
That the Easter Sunday Shop Trading Amendment Bill be now read a first time. 
Ayes 73 
Ardern  
Cullen(P) 
King C 
Swain(P) 
Auchinvole   
Dalziel(P) 
Mapp  
te Heuheu(P) 
Bennett D (P) 
Dean  
Mark  
Tisch  
Bennett P (P) 
Donnelly   
McCully(P) 
Tizard(P) 
Benson-Pope   
Dunne  
Okeroa(P) 
Tremain(P) 
Beyer(P) 
English  
Paraone (P) 
Turia  
Blue  
Finlayson   
Parker(P) 
Wagner  
Blumsky(P) 
Foss  
Peachey  
Wilkinson(P) 
Borrows(P) 
Goff(P) 
Peters(P) 
Williamson(P) 
Brash(P) 
Goodhew  
Power  
Wong(P) 
Brown  
Goudie(P) 
Rich(P) 
Woolerton(P) 
Brownlee(P) 
Guy  
Roy H 
Worth(P) 
Carter D (P) 
Hartley(P) 
Ryall  
Chadwick   
Hawkins  
Samuels(P) 
Choudhary(P) 
Hayes(P) 
Sharples   
Clark(P) 
Henare  
Simich  
Clarkson   
Hide  
Smith L 
Coleman(P) 
Hutchison   
Smith N 
Collins(P) 
Key(P) 
Stewart  
Teller: 
Connell(P) 
King A (P) 
Sutton(P) 
Roy E 
Noes 41 
Barker  
Fitzsimons(P) 
Mackey  
Turei(P) 
Barnett(P) 
Gallagher   
Maharey(P) 
Turner  
Bradford(P) 
Gosche  
Mahuta(P) 
Wilson(P) 
Burton(P) 
Heatley(P) 
Mallard(P) 
Yates 
Carter C (P) 
Hereora(P) 
Moroney  
Copeland   
Hobbs(P) 
O'Connor   
Cosgrove   
Hodgson(P) 
Pettis(P) 
Cunliffe(P) 
Horomia(P) 
Pillay  
Duynhoven   
Jones  
Ririnui(P) 
Dyson(P) 
Kedgley(P) 
Robertson(P) 
Fenton  
Laban(P) 
Street(P) 
Teller: 
Field(P) 
Locke  
Tanczos  
Hughes  
Abstentions 3 
Carter J (P) 
Groser(P) 
Tolley(P) 
Bill read a first time and referred to the Commerce Committee.
Vote: Dog Control (Cancellation of Microchipping Requirements) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Vote: Dog Control (Cancellation of Microchipping Requirements) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:631;Page:3180] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Dog Control (Cancellation of Microchipping Requirements) Amendment Bill be now read a first time. 
Ayes 60 
New Zealand National 48; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2. 
Noes 61 
New Zealand Labour 50; New Zealand First 7; United Future 3; Progressive 1. 
Motion not agreed to.
Mark Ron: Dog Control (Cancellation of Microchipping Requirements) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Mark Ron: Dog Control (Cancellation of Microchipping Requirements) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:631;Page:3174] 
RON MARK (NZ First) 
: 
 I seek leave to table  
Hansard 
 Volume 613 at page 10041 specifically dated 13 November 2003. 
Document by leave laid on the Table of the House.
Tisch Lindsay: Dog Control (Cancellation of Microchipping Requirements) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Tisch Lindsay: Dog Control (Cancellation of Microchipping Requirements) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:631;Page:3174] 
LINDSAY TISCH (Senior Whip—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. That member is trifling with the Chair. He knows that those are debating points and not points of order and he is trifling with the Chair. While he continues to challenge the ruling—because he is going for another call now—that is a challenge to your authority and to what you have deliberated on.
Mark Ron: Dog Control (Cancellation of Microchipping Requirements) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Mark Ron: Dog Control (Cancellation of Microchipping Requirements) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:631;Page:3173] 
RON MARK (NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. We have just heard the National Party member of Parliament the Hon David Carter state to the House neither he nor National voted for the Dog Control Amendment Bill. I have in my hand  
Hansard  
Volume 613 dated 4 November to 20 November 2003. At page 10041 dated 13 November 2003 is the voting record that shows National voted for the Dog Control Amendment Bill. 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: That is not a point of order. Indeed New Zealand First has the next call and that issue is something that should be raised and refuted in your speech in the debate. It is not a point of order to be raised in that way.
Mark Ron: Dog Control (Cancellation of Microchipping Requirements) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Mark Ron: Dog Control (Cancellation of Microchipping Requirements) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:631;Page:3173] 
RON MARK (NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I am looking through the Standing Orders right now and I seek your guidance in respect of the rules or the Standing Order that prevent or prohibit a member of the House from calling another member a liar. I would like you to assist me with that because I have a question with regard to that rule. Although I acknowledge understand and would always comply with the Standing Orders the question is simply what redress there is to ensure that a member who has blatantly lied in this House is called to account. 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: I am sorry but I cannot assist you on that one because I do not give either a comment or a ruling on a hypothetical case. If you have a real case to raise you may do so by way of a point of order and I can hear it. But in the way you have put it there is nothing I can do.
Vote: Marine Reserves (Consultation with Stakeholders) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Vote: Marine Reserves (Consultation with Stakeholders) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:631;Page:3168] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Marine Reserves (Consultation with Stakeholders) Amendment Bill be now read a first time. 
Ayes 113 
New Zealand Labour 50; New Zealand National 48; New Zealand First 7; Maori Party 4; United Future 3; Progressive 1. 
Noes 6 
Green Party 6. 
Bill read a first time. 
Bill referred to the Local Government and Environment Committee.referred to Local Government and Environment Committee
Jones Shane: Marine Reserves (Consultation with Stakeholders) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Jones Shane: Marine Reserves (Consultation with Stakeholders) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:631;Page:3165] 
SHANE JONES (Labour) 
: 
 I rise to endorse many of the sentiments in this Marine Reserves (Consultation with Stakeholders) Amendment Bill that was introduced by a fellow colleague from the deep south. While I am on my feet I will say that I hope he takes our aroha and our mihi back to the whanau of Rakiura and the deep south area given the tragedy that has befallen key families in that community. 
As someone who has had some experience in maritime and marine affairs what I like about this bill—which I along with my colleagues endorse going to the select committee—is that it enables interested individuals stakeholders and tangata whenua to contribute and participate. Marine reserves are a controversial development. Obviously we want to see an improvement in ecosystem outcomes and in people participating in using and recreating in their local areas. But at the same time none of us actually want to see the potential of the marine environment completely locked up or dedicated to a single purpose. It is inevitable that marine reserves are controversial but unless there is participation and exchange of ideas that aggravation and controversy leads to people digging a ditch and not finding a way out of it. Obviously there are some overlap areas with our marine protected areas policy that was released earlier in the year. Marine reserves provide microcosms that enable people to see the variety of sea life and our young people to learn. More important they can be a focal point so that we can reacquaint ourselves as to how important it is not only to understand but to participate in the development of marine resources and to take more responsibility in our localities for the health of the marine environment in those areas. 
Those of us in the fishing industry have developed over the years some rather dim views about how marine reserves have been pushed willy-nilly by the more strident advocates from the environmental movement. Naturally we share some concerns with them but at the end of the day the Maori view is not a preservationist view. If there is a Maori view it is a conservationist and sustainable use view because if everything is locked up and preserved then one does not live. If there is one thing that can be learnt about the history of Maori it is that they are very adaptable people. They have altered their customs and attitudes to suit the vicissitudes of the circumstances they find themselves in. 
The select committee when it deals with this proposed legislation should remain alive to the prospect that nothing stays the same and nothing is static. 
Sitting suspended from 6 p.m. to 7.30 p.m.
Power Simon: Law Practitioners (Corporatisation) Amendment Bill — Discharge 
Power Simon: Law Practitioners (Corporatisation) Amendment Bill — Discharge 
[Volume:631;Page:3158] 
SIMON POWER (National—Rangitikei) 
: 
 I move  
That the order of the day for the second reading of the Law Practitioners (Corporatisation) Amendment Bill be discharged. 
Motion agreed to.
Foss Craig: Tabling of Documents — Telecom 
Foss Craig: Tabling of Documents — Telecom 
[Volume:631;Page:3158] 
CRAIG FOSS (National—Tukituki) 
: 
 I seek leave to table a document that shows the collapse in Telecom’s share price since Cabinet started leaking and the Minister of Communications started speaking. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Ann Hartley) 
: Leave is sought to table that document. Is there any objection? There is.
Wilson Margaret: Urgent Debates — Release of Report—Telecommunications Stocktake Review 
Wilson Margaret: Urgent Debates — Release of Report—Telecommunications Stocktake Review 
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Madam SPEAKER 
: I have received a letter from Gerry Brownlee seeking to debate under Standing Order 380 the release of a report on an investigation into the disclosure of a classified telecommunications stocktake review. The release of the report is a particular case of recent occurrence and I accept that it does require the immediate attention of the House. I therefore call on Mr Brownlee to move the motion.
Chadwick Steve: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Chadwick Steve: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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11.  
STEVE CHADWICK (Labour—Rotorua) 
 to the  
Associate Minister of Health 
: What initiatives is the Government considering to reduce tobacco consumption? 
Hon DAMIEN O'CONNOR (Associate Minister of Health) 
: 
 Last week I released a consultation document that proposes a series of warnings including graphic pictures like the one I am holding up and a text on both the front and back of cigarette packets which overseas experience shows can be a significant deterrent especially among young people. 
Steve Chadwick 
: What reports has he seen on other Government initiatives to reduce tobacco consumption? 
Hon DAMIEN O'CONNOR 
: I have seen two reports. One is a nationwide survey conducted recently which shows that 74 percent of New Zealanders support smoke-free pubs and bars. The second report is one on the voting record for the smoke-free environments legislation which both the Leader of the Opposition and their health spokespeople voted against.
Stewart Barbara: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Stewart Barbara: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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9.  
BARBARA STEWART (NZ First) 
 to the  
Minister of Health 
: What steps is he taking to ensure that the significant funding boost to the aged residential care sector that is to feature in this year’s Budget is delivered to the aged-care sector in its entirety and in a timely fashion? 
Hon PETE HODGSON (Minister of Health) 
: 
 The significant funding boost agreed between the Labour-led Government and the New Zealand First Party will be delivered to providers in a timely fashion. The aged residential care contract review process has already started and is nearly complete putting us months and months ahead of where we were this time last year. 
Barbara Stewart 
: How confident is the Minister that the funding reserved for aged care in this year’s Budget will be solely used for this purpose given that some district health boards in the past have diverted such funding elsewhere? 
Hon PETE HODGSON 
: There will be full flow-through and there is agreement as to the algorithm for calculating that flow-through. The flow-through will occur only if the contracts are signed in time but so far we are on track. 
Darien Fenton 
: What increases in investment has the Labour-led Government delivered for the aged-care sector; and how will the Minister assure the public that the Government will continue to invest in the health of older New Zealanders? 
Hon PETE HODGSON 
: The Labour-led Government has delivered a 30 percent increase in aged residential care funding since the change of Government. Funding for home-based care funding has at least doubled since the change of Government. Tomorrow’s Budget will lever these figures even higher. I can assure the public that this Government will be able to invest in the health of older New Zealanders because it opposes the reckless tax cuts that are still being called for by National that would mean the slashing and burning of vital public health services. 
Jo Goodhew 
: Why does the Minister continue to blame district health boards aged-care providers and anyone but his Government’s lack of funding for the workforce and funding crises in this sector? 
Hon PETE HODGSON 
: The member clearly did not listen to my answer to the substantive question. I certainly do not blame anyone. Since the change of Government there has been a 30 percent increase in aged residential care funding and home-based care funding has more than doubled. These are the sorts of investments that can be undertaken if one does not have reckless tax cuts on one’s mind. 
Jo Goodhew 
: I seek leave to table a newspaper article from the  
Wanganui Chronicle  
for Saturday 23 April “Petrol costs relief—home support staff still waiting”. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to table that document. Is there any objection? There is objection. 
Jo Goodhew 
: I seek leave to table an article from the  
Timaru Herald 
 of 2 May headed: “Care workers still waiting”. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to table that document. Is there any objection? There is objection.
Mackey Moana: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Mackey Moana: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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4.  
MOANA MACKEY (Labour) 
 to the  
Minister of Education 
: What is the Government doing to ensure that students stay at school? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY (Minister of Education) 
: 
 The Government is committed to the goal of all students staying at school until they are 16 years of age and they gain a qualification. The programmes that work towards this goal include $20 million a year to fund 18020 student places in alternative education 14 activity centres and 16 team parenting units 782 specialist behaviour teachers and 109 specialist literacy teachers working nationwide $8.5 million over 3 years to fund the Student Engagement Initiative and the recently announced—just prior to this coming Budget—$9.5 million to help schools with disruptive students. 
Moana Mackey 
: How has the Student Engagement Initiative encouraged students to stay at school until 16 and attain qualifications so that they are ready to enter the workforce or go on to further study? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY 
: I am pleased to announce that results show that the Student Engagement Initiative is encouraging students to stay at school and to stay engaged with learning. The results show for example that truancy rates decreased in 11 out of 15 target regions early leaving exemption rates have decreased in targeted schools from 541 in 2002 to 350 in 2004 suspension rates have dropped by 30 percent between 2000 and 2005 and suspension for drug offences has decreased by 15 percent. Those excellent programmes mean that young New Zealanders are staying at school gaining qualifications and benefiting from the amazingly successful economy that this Government is creating. 
Judy Turner 
: What reassurances can the Minister give that New Zealand will meet the needs of new international secondary students in light of recent Chinese media reports of neglect of international students in New Zealand and the associated drop in Chinese student numbers and what steps will the Government take to ensure that New Zealand schools insist upon adequate support and age-appropriate supervision for all international students? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY 
: As the member will know one of the initiatives taken by the Government has been to ensure that all providers of international education sign up to a pastoral care code. Unfortunately one of the problems we face is that there are people who run programmes outside registration and accreditation in this country and I think that that is one of the issues we do need to get on top of.
Law Practitioners (Corporatisation) Amendment Bill — Discharge 
Law Practitioners (Corporatisation) Amendment Bill — Discharge 
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Law Practitioners (Corporatisation) Amendment Bill 
Discharge 
SIMON POWER (National—Rangitikei) 
: 
 I move  
That the order of the day for the second reading of the Law Practitioners (Corporatisation) Amendment Bill be discharged. 
Motion agreed to.
Tabling of Documents — Telecom 
Tabling of Documents — Telecom 
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Tabling of Documents 
Telecom 
CRAIG FOSS (National—Tukituki) 
: 
 I seek leave to table a document that shows the collapse in Telecom’s share price since Cabinet started leaking and the Minister of Communications started speaking. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Ann Hartley) 
: Leave is sought to table that document. Is there any objection? There is.
Appropriation (2006/07 Estimates) Bill — First Reading 
Appropriation (2006/07 Estimates) Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:631;Page:3195] 
Thursday 18 May 2006 
Madam Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Prayers 
. 
Appropriation (2006/07 Estimates) Bill 
First Reading 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Minister of Finance) 
: 
 I move  
That the Appropriation (2006/07 Estimates) Bill be now read a first time. 
Bill read a first time.
Williamson Maurice: Budget Debate 
Williamson Maurice: Budget Debate 
[Volume:631;Page:3248] 
Hon MAURICE WILLIAMSON (National—Pakuranga) 
: 
 The one person in the world tonight who— 
Debate interrupted.
Cullen Michael: Budget Statement — Budget Debate Procedure 
Cullen Michael: Budget Statement — Budget Debate Procedure 
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Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Minister of Finance) 
: 
 I hereby present the Budget 2006 Speech the Fiscal Strategy Report 2006 the Economic and Fiscal Update 2006 (B.2 and B.3) the Estimates of Appropriations for the Government of New Zealand for the year ending 30 June 2007 (B.5) and the Departmental Statements of Intent 2006/07. I move  
That those papers be published. 
Motion agreed to.
Cullen Michael: Appropriation (2006/07 Estimates) Bill — First Reading 
Cullen Michael: Appropriation (2006/07 Estimates) Bill — First Reading 
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Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Minister of Finance) 
: 
 I move  
That the Appropriation (2006/07 Estimates) Bill be now read a first time. 
Bill read a first time.
Brownlee Gerry: Budget Debate 
Brownlee Gerry: Budget Debate 
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GERRY BROWNLEE (Deputy Leader—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. I wonder whether you could clarify the following matter for me. Looking at today’s Order Paper I understand that we are debating the Appropriations (2006/07 Estimates) Bill. The Associate Minister of Finance has just spent 10 minutes talking about everything other than the Budget. Are we actually on that particular bill today or are we able to range widely across all sorts of things including some of the misleading and ridiculously silly material with which Mr Mallard has taken up the House’s time this afternoon? 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Ann Hartley) 
: The Budget debate is a wide open debate as we have already seen.
Brown Peter: Budget Debate 
Brown Peter: Budget Debate 
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PETER BROWN (Deputy Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. I seek leave to table the  
Hansard 
 from the Hon Maurice Williamson whilst he was the Minister of Transport where he said that if more money was injected into roading through Transit he would not know how to spend it. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Ann Hartley) 
: Leave is sought to table that. Is there any objection? There is objection.
Street Maryan: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Street Maryan: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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12.  
MARYAN STREET (Labour) 
 to the  
Minister of Commerce 
: What are the key features of the quality regulation review announced yesterday and what has been the response? 
Hon LIANNE DALZIEL (Minister of Commerce) 
: 
 The Quality Regulation Taskforce will meet next week to begin work on overlaps between regulatory frameworks sector studies and fast-track process for change. The  
New Zealand Herald  
this morning stated that this task force with teeth has won applause from leading figures in industry. The only collective groan that was audible we were told was from the Opposition which shows just how out of touch it is because this initiative has been welcomed by business leaders from one end of the country to the other. 
Maryan Street 
: What other responses has the Minister received on the quality regulation review? 
Hon LIANNE DALZIEL 
: I have had very positive responses from the Auckland Wellington and Christchurch chambers of commerce but I particularly acknowledge the chief executive of the Otago chamber of commerce who stated: “The Minister is on the right track. She is saying all the right things which should be signalling to the business community she does mean action. We agree with the Minister—we are in it together now let’s get on with it.” 
Peter Brown 
: Why has the Minister picked on the food and beverage sector the wine industry the retail sector and the hospitality sector to be the first sectors to be part of the review when many people would have thought it more appropriate to target areas of more public concern such as transport and health? 
Hon LIANNE DALZIEL 
: The major infrastructure areas the member raises are being dealt with in separate reviews so those sectors are already being addressed—and the member knows that this Government has poured millions of dollars into transport which is the example he uses. We have already made the announcement on the telecommunications stocktake. The reason the retail sector is there first is that it wanted to be there. Those sectors want to work with the Government to make a difference.
Copeland Gordon: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Copeland Gordon: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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8.  
GORDON COPELAND (United Future) 
 to the  
Prime Minister 
: Does she consider that the State Services Commissioner Dr Mark Prebble was right when he stated in relation to his investigation into the leak of a Cabinet paper to Telecom “I consider that Telecom is not to blame for its receipt of the document.”? 
Rt Hon HELEN CLARK (Prime Minister) 
: 
 I have no basis for disagreement with Dr Prebble but I note he has passed his report to the police for them to consider whether any further investigation or action is warranted. 
Gordon Copeland 
: Does the Prime Minister believe that the Cabinet paper given to Telecom by Michael Ryan was dishonestly taken and that Mr Peter Garty could easily have ascertained that to be the case and that therefore because he decided both to retain and photocopy that paper he or the company could be open to prosecution for receiving papers dishonestly taken? 
Rt Hon HELEN CLARK 
: I can see the logic of the member’s statement in the question. I repeat: the matter has been sent to the police for them to form a judgment. 
Hon Brian Donnelly 
: Does the Prime Minister believe that housing the locked bin for confidential material intended for shredding in the messengers’ room where messengers keep their coats and bags is the wisest location to prevent such documents from falling into the wrong hands; and has anything been done to relocate that bin? 
Rt Hon HELEN CLARK 
: The head of the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet has initiated an outside review of security within the department and I look forward to the recommendations the reviewer will provide to him in order to see whether security can be improved. 
Gordon Copeland 
: Would the Prime Minister agree that in deciding to take the stolen Cabinet paper from Mr Ryan thus triggering the need for the Government to announce its unbundling decision at 5 p.m. after news on the New Zealand Exchange had closed it is likely that the value lost by Telecom’s shareholders is greater than it might have been had the decision been released as part of the Budget as originally planned? 
Rt Hon HELEN CLARK 
: I have been of the view that it was the attitude of Telecom towards competitive measures of this kind that led to the value fall. In respect of Mr Garty’s actions I think the issue will be whether they were criminal or just deeply unethical.