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Dean Jacqui: Oral Questions — Questions to MinistersText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeDean Jacqui: Oral Questions — Questions to Ministers[Sitting date: 22 September 2015. Volume:709;Page:6839. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]6.JACQUI DEAN (National—Waitaki) to the Minister of Local Government: What progress has been made by the Government’s Rules Reduction Taskforce to get rid of “loopy” rules?Hon PAULA BENNETT (Minister of Local Government): Today I released findings of the Government’s Rules Reduction Taskforce The loopy rules report: New Zealanders tell their stories. First of all I want to thank the member Jacqui Dean for the excellent job that she did in both chairing this and pulling the report together. This is New Zealanders’ views on what central and local government are doing to serve their needs and what is holding them back. I think their voices are heard quite powerfully from this and we are looking at making changes both within central and within local government.Jacqui Dean: What kind of loopy rules did the report identify?Hon PAULA BENNETT: Across a number of Acts and in fact with 11 Ministers and ministries involved many of them within building and the Resource Management Act—and the Hon Nick Smith has certainly taken up that mantle to make changes. I hope the House listens to the voices of New Zealanders when they say that they need changes within the Resource Management Act and see that as seriously as it needs to be taken. What was also really important with this was identifying those myths that are out there that actually hold people back from doing good things and that cost them a lot of money. One may be for example a three-rung ladder that people think they cannot stand on without a harness which is simply not true.Jacqui Dean: What steps will the Government take to get rid of some of the loopy rules?Hon PAULA BENNETT: I think first of all that New Zealanders have stepped up in this so we want to show them transparency. So there is a website where we will be regularly posting some of those facts that are simply not facts and are not true so that we can cut our way through it. Equally as I have said we have got 11 different portfolios that are involved. I am going to pool Ministers together to be going up against that. They will then be putting it through the Business Growth Agenda to ensure that we are making progress to cut some of those loopy rules out.
Carter David: Visitors — Australia—President Senate China—Delegation National People’s CongressText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeCarter David: Visitors — Australia—President Senate China—Delegation National People’s Congress[Sitting date: 22 September 2015. Volume:709;Page:6839. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Mr SPEAKER: I am also sure that members would wish to welcome a delegation representing the National People’s Congress of the People’s Republic of China led by Madam Fu Ying Chairperson of the Foreign Affairs Committee who arepresent in the gallery.
Carter David: Visitors — Australia—President Senate China—Delegation National People’s CongressText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeCarter David: Visitors — Australia—President Senate China—Delegation National People’s Congress[Sitting date: 22 September 2015. Volume:709;Page:6839. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Mr SPEAKER: I am sure that members would wish to welcome and accord a seat to the left of the Chair to the Hon Stephen Parry President of the Senate of the Parliament of the Commonwealth of Australia.The Hon Stephen Parry entered the Chamber and took a seat on the left of the Chair.
Visitors — Australia—President Senate China—Delegation National People’s CongressText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeVisitors — Australia—President Senate China—Delegation National People’s Congress[Sitting date: 22 September 2015. Volume:709;Page:6839. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Tuesday 22 September 2015Mr Speaker took the Chair at 2 p.m.Prayers.VisitorsAustralia—President SenateMr SPEAKER: I am sure that members would wish to welcome and accord a seat to the left of the Chair to the Hon Stephen Parry President of the Senate of the Parliament of the Commonwealth of Australia.The Hon Stephen Parry entered the Chamber and took a seat on the left of the Chair.China—Delegation National People’s CongressMr SPEAKER: I am also sure that members would wish to welcome a delegation representing the National People’s Congress of the People’s Republic of China led by Madam Fu Ying Chairperson of the Foreign Affairs Committee who arepresent in the gallery.
Dowie Sarah: Hawke’s Bay Regional Planning Committee Bill — In Committee Third ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeDowie Sarah: Hawke’s Bay Regional Planning Committee Bill — In Committee Third Reading[Sitting date: 11 August 2015. Volume:707;Page:5694. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]SARAH DOWIE (National—Invercargill): Time is of the essence and I too would like to rise in support of this bill. It is an exciting time for the principles of partnership and kaitiakitanga. With that I commend this bill to the House.Bill read a third time.
Tirikatene Rino: Hawke’s Bay Regional Planning Committee Bill — In Committee Third ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeTirikatene Rino: Hawke’s Bay Regional Planning Committee Bill — In Committee Third Reading[Sitting date: 11 August 2015. Volume:707;Page:5693. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]RINO TIRIKATENE (Labour—Te Tai Tonga):Tēnā koe Mr Assistant Speaker. It is pretty hard to follow Barry White but I do have that baritone that bass that I can roll out here.I just want to make a short contribution to congratulate the members the iwi the hapū the tangata whenua groups and the Hawke’s Bay Regional Council on—actually they have beat us to the punch for we are just formalising the commitments that were made in the Treaty settlement. So Parliament is actually in catch-up mode. They are way ahead of the game. They have been working as a committee for over 2 years now. So it is really up to Parliament now to try to catch up with the mahi that has been going on.I congratulate all the groups. Can I acknowledge my whanaungas Ngāti Pāhauwera Maungaharuru-Tangitū we had Hineuru this morning and all the other groups that are represented on the committee. It is an exciting time and I know that they have got a lot of money—mahi that is going on. [Interruption] I hope they are generating some money as well. But whatever the reorganisation or potential hypothetical situations that might be happening with local government reorganisation in the future for the Hawke’s Bay region this committee is a permanent committee that has been established based on solemn agreements reached with the Crown. So regardless of what future structures may come into being this committee will continue. I am very certain of that based on the commitments that have been entered into with the tangata whenua with the hapū and with the iwi of the Hawke’s Bay.I do not want to prolong this debate but can I just congratulate the groups once again congratulate everyone who has been involved in this legislation and I commend it to the House. Kia ora tātou.
Hayes Joanne: Hawke’s Bay Regional Planning Committee Bill — In Committee Third ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeHayes Joanne: Hawke’s Bay Regional Planning Committee Bill — In Committee Third Reading[Sitting date: 11 August 2015. Volume:707;Page:5693. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]JOANNE HAYES (National): Ā tēnā koe ngā mema o te committee o Hawke’s Bay Regional Planning ka nui te mihi atu ki a koutou. Time is of the essence and my contribution will be a short one. Everything that has been said has been heard. Everything that has been written has been submitted. Everything that can be debated within the Māori Affairs Committee has been debated and discussed. And all that is left for me to say with some words borrowed from the great Barry White is that this has been the committee’s first it has been the committee’s last it is the region’s everything. Congratulations. I commend the bill to the House. Kia ora.
Finlayson Christopher: Hawke’s Bay Regional Planning Committee Bill — In Committee Third ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeFinlayson Christopher: Hawke’s Bay Regional Planning Committee Bill — In Committee Third Reading[Sitting date: 11 August 2015. Volume:707;Page:5684. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Hon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON (Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations): I will take just a brief call to explain to members what Supplementary Order Paper 104 is about. All it is is that since this bill had its first reading on 2 November 2014 two of the iwi in the “tāngata whenua appointer” definition in clause 4 Ngāti Hineuru and He Toa Takitini have actually formed their mandated post-settlement governance entities. This has happened obviously before the legislation has passed and that is why an amendment to the definition of “tāngata whenua appointer” in clause 4 is required to reflect this. Minor subsequent amendments to clauses 5 and 11 are also required.The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 104 in the name of the Hon Christopher Finlayson be agreed to.Amendments agreed to.Preamble Parts 1 and 2 schedule and clauses 1 and 2 as amended agreed to.Bill reported with amendment.Report adopted.
Mallard Trevor: Hawke’s Bay Regional Planning Committee Bill — In Committee Third ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMallard Trevor: Hawke’s Bay Regional Planning Committee Bill — In Committee Third Reading[Sitting date: 11 August 2015. Volume:707;Page:5684. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Trevor Mallard): It is my understanding that leave has been given—or I will now seek leave—for the Hawke’s Bay Regional Planning Committee Bill to be considered as one question but for votes to be taken separately.
Roy Eric: Ngāruahine Claims Settlement Bill — First ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeRoy Eric: Ngāruahine Claims Settlement Bill — First Reading[Sitting date: 11 August 2015. Volume:707;Page:5683. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER: Ngā mihi nui ki a koutou tēnā koutou katoa.
Macindoe Tim: Ngāruahine Claims Settlement Bill — First ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMacindoe Tim: Ngāruahine Claims Settlement Bill — First Reading[Sitting date: 11 August 2015. Volume:707;Page:5683. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]TIM MACINDOE (National—Hamilton West): Kia ora e te Mana Whakawā; tēnā koe e te Whare; and particularly warm greetings to all who are here today representing Ngāruahine. I made the point earlier today that unfortunately because of the significant amount of business that the House has to conduct in a fairly short space of time some of us speaking in the latter stages of this debate will have to take very short calls. But I do want to assure you that that does not in any way suggest that we do not fully appreciate and endorse the great significance of this occasion.I want to begin by thanking those who have spoken in today’s debate. I think that most have made very thoughtful and insightful contributions. It is certainly not an occasion to be mean spirited or petty. The significance of this occasion deserves much more than that and I want to acknowledge the outstanding work that the Crown negotiators have done and particularly the goodwill that has been shown by Ngāruahine in engaging with the process. You could never be adequately compensated for the wrongs that have been done. It is a privilege to be one of the modern-day parliamentarians who has an opportunity to be part of trying to redress these great wrongs. As others have said we could never adequately do that but I think that by acknowledging the wrong and by being absolutely determined to ensure that we do our level best to try to ensure a much brighter future for the iwi thatis I hope in a small way an indication of goodwill.The other point that I would make is that this is a process that began more than two decades ago under the leadership of the Rt Hon Jim Bolger and the outstanding work that was done by his Treaty negotiations Minister Sir Doug Graham. The greatest progress of all has been made under the determined leadership of the Rt Hon John Key and the outstanding stewardship of this portfolio by the Hon Chris Finlayson. So to those who wish to be demeaning of that effort I simply make the point that actions speak louder than words. It is this Minister and his team who have been getting on with the job. I am immensely proud to be supporting them in their endeavours. I thank the select committee for the outstanding work that it is doing. I wish the iwi all the very best for what I hope will be a bright and prosperous future.Bill read a first time.Bill referred to the Māori Affairs Committee.Waiata
Hudson Brett: Ngāruahine Claims Settlement Bill — First ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeHudson Brett: Ngāruahine Claims Settlement Bill — First Reading[Sitting date: 11 August 2015. Volume:707;Page:5679. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]BRETT HUDSON (National): E te Mana Whakawā tēnā koe. It is a privilege to stand in the House today to support this bill in its first reading. I do not profess to understand either the pains of the injustices inflicted upon Ngāruahine in the past or the generations that it has taken to reach this point but I come to this House and stand resolute in the belief that the New Zealand society that we want to deliver is one that provides opportunity for all our people to contribute to a growing economy—one that is creating more and higher-paying jobs—to participate in an education system that creates opportunities for our young and leads to greater prosperity in their futures and where we can lead long and healthy lives and live safely in our homes and across our communities.As my colleague Mr Korako said earlier with this settlement and the economic redress that it includes we cannot right the wrongs of the past but we can provide an economic base for Ngāruahine to participate in the future and in the partnership of the New Zealand that we all wish to see. I commend this bill to the House.
Roy Eric: Ngāruahine Claims Settlement Bill — First ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeRoy Eric: Ngāruahine Claims Settlement Bill — First Reading[Sitting date: 11 August 2015. Volume:707;Page:5678. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER: This is a 5-minute call.
Hayes Joanne: Ngāruahine Claims Settlement Bill — First ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeHayes Joanne: Ngāruahine Claims Settlement Bill — First Reading[Sitting date: 11 August 2015. Volume:707;Page:5678. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]JOANNE HAYES (National):E te Mana Whakawā kia ora. E te iwi o Ngāruahine ka nui te mihi atu ki a koutou katoa nau mai haere mai i tēnei rā.[Thank you Mr Deputy Speaker and a huge appreciation to you all the tribe of Ngāruahine; welcome come hither today.]I stand very humbled again. Each time I stand for these claims settlement bills I am very humbled to speak in support of them. I stand because a little while ago I watched on television the hīkoi that Taranaki iwi and members of Ngāruahine made down to the South Island following the tracks of those who were imprisoned wrongly over the confiscation of land in Taranaki out at Parihaka. My heart sobbed for all of you. I was in Dunedin in 2011 and I went and visited those caves. I can almost tell you that I could feel the mamae and the tears that were flowing through the whole process that you have endured over time.Today is a special day for all of you and it is also a very special day for the Māori Affairs Committee. We are humbled to be able to take your bill to the select committee. And yes not everybody will agree with the findings inside the bill and there will be lots who will agree but I have yet to stand in this House and hear of a smooth ride of any claims settlement bill coming through this House. This is the reality of what we go through. Under the leadership of our Minister here the Hon Chris Finlayson and the leadership of the chair of our select committee Nuk Korako I believe that we will be very expeditious with the rest of the process for your bill. I wholeheartedly support it and commend it to the House. Kia ora.
Roy Eric: Ngāruahine Claims Settlement Bill — First ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeRoy Eric: Ngāruahine Claims Settlement Bill — First Reading[Sitting date: 11 August 2015. Volume:707;Page:5664. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER: Kia ora. E te iwi o Ngāruahine tēnā koutou tēnā koutou tēnā koutou katoa. Ngā mihi nui ki a koutou kia ora mai tātou.[To you the tribe of Ngāruahine greetings salutations and welcome to you all. I appreciate you greatly and thank you to us all.]There is a convention in the House that the Speaker in the Chair is not allowed to make a speech. It will not be lost on my friend John Hooker that I intend to pussyfoot around those rules. Some of us live by the mantra that it is better to ask for forgiveness than for permission. You will not hear me speak for very long about the travesties of the past—Te Ngutu o te Manu—the travesties of the confiscations around our rohe and you will not hear me acknowledge the leaders of the past or acknowledge the travesties of those confiscations and where they have left you today or wax lyrical in congratulations to Daisy to Pita to John and to others—the familiar faces of those sitting in the gallery. You will not hear me say any of that because it is against the rules.
Macindoe Tim: Hineuru Claims Settlement Bill — First ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMacindoe Tim: Hineuru Claims Settlement Bill — First Reading[Sitting date: 11 August 2015. Volume:707;Page:5663. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]TIM MACINDOE (National—Hamilton West): Kia ora e te Mana Whakawā. Tēnā koe e te Whare—and in particular very warm greetings to those from Hineuru who are here this morning for the first reading of the Hineuru Claims Settlement Bill.Because of the large amount of business that the House needs to conduct on these occasions of extended sittings it is necessary for those who speak at the latter end of the debate to speak for a very short period of time but I do want to assure all who are listening that that does not in any way signify a lack of respect or appreciation for the very important work that we are doing today.I in particular want to endorse the comments of all my colleagues from across the House who have spoken today in a way that I think has been both enlightening and as my colleague Jo Hayes said very very humbling. We—or at least many of us—have today been taught things we never knew before. They are things that should trouble all of us and should certainly not only weigh heavily on our heart but stiffen our resolve to ensure that we take whatever steps we can to put them right. I am very proud to be part of the modern generation of parliamentarians who have the privilege and the opportunity to do just that and it is on occasions such as this that I feel particularly proud to be a member of Parliament and accept that responsibility.So could I simply say to the iwi thank you for your generosity of spirit and for the good faith with which you have entered into the negotiations. I want to acknowledge the outstanding work of the Crown negotiators and to say this is very important work that this Parliament acknowledges and I am delighted to see that we will all be united in supporting it. May I wish you all the very best in the future as you at long last see significant grievances at least redressed no matter how inadequately. Tēnā koutou katoa.Bill read a first time.Bill referred to the Māori Affairs Committee.
Lee Melissa: Hineuru Claims Settlement Bill — First ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeLee Melissa: Hineuru Claims Settlement Bill — First Reading[Sitting date: 11 August 2015. Volume:707;Page:5661. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]MELISSA LEE (National): It is a great honour to take a short call on this Hineuru Claims Settlement Bill. Before I begin I would like to apologise just in case my pronunciation is terrible. I am reminded of my maiden speech when I actually talked about how I arrived in this land in 1988 in a waka. The waka was slightly different from the one that the ancestors arrived in. This waka that I arrived in had wings and it was slightly faster. I would like to say: ka mihi atu ki a Ngāti Hineuru. I hope that means that I acknowledge the Hineuru tribe—iwi sorry.Hon Te Ururoa Flavell: Tribal nation.MELISSA LEE: That is right. It is a great honour even to take just a short call. I am just so touched that I am actually involved in this debate. I have heard Opposition members and Government members talk about this settlement and what a fantastic opportunity it is not just because of the great amount of money that we are bestowing upon the Hineuru iwi but also because it is an acknowledgment of the wrong that has actually been done. For a Korean girl who was raised in a country that has a 5000-year history which was annexed for 36 years by another country—I will not name which one it was—and has never received an apology this is a fantastic country that we live in New Zealand. We actually acknowledge the wrongs of the past.I am also a recipient of the bestowment of the Māori Battalion or K-force—the Māori people who served in Korea. They taught the Korean people a song and I grew up thinking that it was a Korean song. I insisted stupidly that it was a Korean song because I was raised believing that it was a Korean song. Imagine the strange feeling that I got when I arrived in this land in 1988 and listened to people singing “Pokare Kare Ana”. I was thinking: “Oh my goodness! These people in New Zealand have learnt a Korean song.” In Korea we call it “Yeon ga” which means love song. Imagine that!You know how Korean people have learnt that Korea was devastated in 1950 by the Korean War. It was utterly flattened. For 3 years they fought and it is still in a state of war. But the Korean people are a resilient people. Since 1950 we have—everybody probably has—Samsung telephones or drive a Hyundai or Kia car. We have even funked up the “Pokare Kare Ana” song. You know how it goes really beautifully “Pokare Kare Ana”; well the Korean one is “Yeon ga” and it is really really fast: “Bi Baram I Chinun Bada…”As the recipient of the—Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order! It is very entertaining but we would rather you spoke to the bill.MELISSA LEE: I shall wrap it up. It is an honour for me to actually say that I commend this bill. It is an absolute pleasure.
Roy Eric: Hineuru Claims Settlement Bill — First ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeRoy Eric: Hineuru Claims Settlement Bill — First Reading[Sitting date: 11 August 2015. Volume:707;Page:5660. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER: This is a 5-minute call.
Hayes Joanne: Hineuru Claims Settlement Bill — First ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeHayes Joanne: Hineuru Claims Settlement Bill — First Reading[Sitting date: 11 August 2015. Volume:707;Page:5658. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]JOANNE HAYES (National): Tēnā koe e te Mana Whakawā.Ka huri au ki te Whānau o Ngāti Hineuru nau mai haere mai ki a koutou katoa.[Thank you Mr Deputy Speaker. I turn to the family of Ngāti Hineuru and welcome you all welcome.]I am humbled. I am very humbled to be standing here today to take a call on the first reading of the Hineuru Claims Settlement Bill. I am humbled because your journey has been a long one and as I have read about your history and heard about your history I am saddened within my heart that all of those things have happened to you. So when I stand here today to take this call on the first reading I stand here and I look at a people who have lost their land who have been attacked who have been imprisoned—enough hara that will send a people away for good. But through the strength of your tīpuna and of the people who have kept on fighting for Ngāti Hineuru—I just want to say that I am humbled. I am very humbled to be standing in front of you today.As a member of the Māori Affairs Committee I am looking forward to the whole process of this bill coming back to the select committee. We on the select committee do a lot of work around the claims process listening to the submissions etc. In respect of this particular one I am most interested because up until today it was the first time that I had heard of your iwi. I can tell you that now and I feel a lot of whakamā about that. So therefore I will be looking with much interest at the process from here on in and through to the fruition of your claims process.I know that the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations has said that the amount that you are being given within the redress may not be as much as what everybody thinks it should be but it is a start. It is a start towards your economic future the economic future of your mokopuna—the mokopuna who will lead you all into the future. Ngā tāngata the people of today have done all the work along with educating your mokopuna in the process that has happened and your mokopuna will lead where you are going to go into the future. I believe that through this process you have a very bright future. It is not how much you get; it is what you do with it that counts. It is like Ngāi Tahu and what they got back then. People would have said “Oh that wasn’t a lot.” but they took that little bit and they turned it into a multibillion-dollar business. I can see that happening for you as your iwi grows past this point. So without any further ado I want to say thank you. Thank you for taking on the Crown process thank you for accepting the work of our Minister the Hon Chris Finlayson. He would be and will go down in history of this Government and of future Governments and Governments of the past as one of the best Treaty negotiation Ministers to ever walk the halls of our Parliament. Kia ora.
Mallard Trevor: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMallard Trevor: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2015. Volume:707;Page:6068. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Trevor Mallard): The time has come for me to report progress.Progress reported.Report adopted.
Mitchell Clayton: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMitchell Clayton: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2015. Volume:707;Page:6067. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]CLAYTON MITCHELL (NZ First): It is great to take a call on Part 4 which is all about enforcement matters. There are some good points made here but we in New Zealand First have some serious concerns in relation to Part 4. In the latest Budget we had Bill English come through and make it quite clear that the Government was going to take labour enforcement seriously and to adequately fund it to ensure that the three parts of the triangle if you will are actually brought together: engagement with workers participation from employers and employees and of course funding for those regulators to ensure that they have got labour enforcement.When you have $8 million and the Government is struggling to get a surplus—in fact it is struggling woefully to keep its head above water—there are some serious concerns that the role of these labour enforcement officers who have $8 million a year will actually be to go and revenue gather. There are concerns that they are going to be going around and putting infringements on small and medium sized businesses to try to balance their own books. That has got some serious issues which we see happening. It is interesting to know that the Ministry of Business Innovation and Employment has got more paid staff on its books as public relations people people who are designed to make that ministry look good—than it has labour inspectors ensuring that people have got good work conditions. So we do have some serious reservations around Part 4 in relation to that.I would like to say that New Zealand First supports Iain Lees-Galloway’s amendment on Supplementary Order Paper 101 and we hope that that comes through here. It amends clause 167B by inserting “(ba) within 6 months after the date on which the regulator announces a decision not to prosecute:”. If there is action taken against a workplace or a person conducting a business or undertaking and it is found that there is actually not going to be any prosecution taken that amendment enables a person to have 6 months’ leeway to enforce that and actually go and take their own personal action. That is my understanding of that clause. So that is going to be supported by New Zealand First. We also hope that that gets support in the Committee.I see that Marama Fox has also got Supplementary Order Paper 107 which enables personal actionsto be brought within3 months after that workplace decision. Again our fall-back position is that we think that is fair and reasonable as well as it being a fall-back. But we hope that Labour gets support for Iain Lees-Galloway’s amendment.I am somewhat concerned about some of the contradictions that we are hearing in the Committee about well-being this evening particularly around—
Vote: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeVote: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2015. Volume:707;Page:6066. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]A party vote was called for on the question That Part 3 as amended be agreed to.Ayes 63New Zealand National 59; Māori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1.Noes 58New Zealand Labour 32; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 12.Part 3 as amended agreed to.
Vote: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeVote: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2015. Volume:707;Page:6066. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]A party vote was called for on the question That the amendment be agreed to.Ayes 44New Zealand Labour 32; New Zealand First 12.Noes 77New Zealand National 59; Green Party 14; Māori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1.Amendment not agreed to.
Vote: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeVote: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2015. Volume:707;Page:6065. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]A party vote was called for on the question That the amendment be agreed to.Ayes 48New Zealand Labour 32; Green Party 14; Māori Party 2.Noes 73New Zealand National 59; New Zealand First 12; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1.Amendment not agreed to.The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 110 in the name of Clayton Mitchell to clause 66 be agreed to.
Vote: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeVote: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2015. Volume:707;Page:6065. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]A party vote was called for on the question That the amendment be agreed to.Ayes 12New Zealand First 12.Noes 109New Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 32; Green Party 14; Māori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1.Amendment not agreed to.The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 105 in the name of Denise Roche to clause 66 be agreed to.
Vote: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeVote: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2015. Volume:707;Page:6065. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]A party vote was called for on the questionThat the amendment be agreed to.Ayes 44New Zealand Labour 32; New Zealand First 12.Noes 77New Zealand National 59; Green Party 14; Māori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1.Amendment not agreed to.
Vote: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeVote: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2015. Volume:707;Page:6064. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]A party vote was called for on the question That the amendment be agreed to.Ayes 109New Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 32; Green Party 14; Māori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1.Noes 12New Zealand First 12.Amendment agreed to.
Vote: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeVote: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2015. Volume:707;Page:6064. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]A party vote was called for on the question That the amendments be agreed to.Ayes 60New Zealand Labour 32; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 12; Māori Party 2.Noes 61New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1.Amendments not agreed to.The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 107 in the name of Marama Fox to clause 63 be agreed to.
Vote: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeVote: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2015. Volume:707;Page:6064. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]A party vote was called for on the question That the amendments be agreed to.Ayes 95New Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 32; Māori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1.Noes 26Green Party 14; New Zealand First 12.Amendments agreed to.The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 100 in the name of Iain Lees-Galloway to clauses 62 and 66 be agreed to.
Vote: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeVote: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2015. Volume:707;Page:6064. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]A party vote was called for on the question That the question be now put.Ayes 63New Zealand National 59; Māori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1.Noes 58New Zealand Labour 32; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 12.Motion agreed to.
Mallard Trevor: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMallard Trevor: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2015. Volume:707;Page:6066. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Trevor Mallard): Members we now come to the debate on Part 4 which is clauses 122 to 204 and includes schedule 2A.
Mallard Trevor: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMallard Trevor: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2015. Volume:707;Page:6065. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Trevor Mallard): We now come again to Iain Lees-Galloway’s amendments to clauses 65 and 86A set out on Supplementary Order Paper 99. I am going to rule those amendments out of order because they are inconsistent with the decision that the Committee made in agreeing to the Minister’s amendments.The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 110 in the name of Clayton Mitchell to clause 65 be agreed to.
Mallard Trevor: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMallard Trevor: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2015. Volume:707;Page:6065. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Trevor Mallard): I am willing on advice to accept the reordering of the taking of the question so I will put Clayton Mitchell’s amendment first.The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 110 in the name of Clayton Mitchell to insert new clause 65AA be agreed to.
Mallard Trevor: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMallard Trevor: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2015. Volume:707;Page:6065. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Trevor Mallard): We now come to Iain Lees-Galloway’s amendments—Clayton Mitchell: I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. There seems to be an issue with the location of Iain Lees-Galloway’s amendments on his Supplementary Order Paper 99. Clause 65AA which is Clayton Mitchell’s amendment should be inserted prior to that one going through. We actually approached the Labour benches twice yesterday to confirm that that was going to be the case and those members said that they were going to flip that round for us. We have the support of Labour I believe for that to happen.
Mallard Trevor: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMallard Trevor: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2015. Volume:707;Page:6064. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Trevor Mallard): Yes sorry—the amendments set out. As I stated the question I said the amendments set out to Part 3 as set out on Supplementary Order Paper 108.The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 108 in the name of the Hon Michael Woodhouse to Part 3 be agreed to.
Dyson Ruth: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeDyson Ruth: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2015. Volume:707;Page:6064. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Hon RUTH DYSON (Labour—Port Hills): I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. Could I just clarify that you said “amendment”—the singular?
Mallard Trevor: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMallard Trevor: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2015. Volume:707;Page:6064. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Trevor Mallard): The first question we come to is the Minister’s amendments to Part 3 set out on Supplementary Order Paper 108. The question is that this amendment be agreed to. Those who are of that opinion will say Aye of the contrary opinion will say No. A party vote is called for.
Mallard Trevor: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMallard Trevor: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2015. Volume:707;Page:6063. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Trevor Mallard): I think that we have come to the time where we have had pretty close to 30 Opposition calls. We have been going for getting on for 3½ hours. I think we did have some purported questions from a couple of recent speakers but not quite the interest to see whether there is going to be a reply and I think the last speech was elegant but circular. Therefore I think I am now at the point where the Committee can make a decision.
Hayes Joanne: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeHayes Joanne: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2015. Volume:707;Page:6063. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]JOANNE HAYES (Third Whip—National):I move That the question be now put.
Mallard Trevor: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMallard Trevor: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2015. Volume:707;Page:6063. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Trevor Mallard): You will find that the training is from another part of the bill.STUART NASH: We are talking about clause 93 here. In order to undertake the requirements they have got to take their own time off.Then we go down to clause 95 and this is slightly puzzling here. Again I am not too sure why. Clause 95(1) says: “A provisional improvement notice may include recommendations relating to—(a) the measures to be taken to remedy the contravention or … (b) the things or activities causing the contravention”. I would have thought that the word “must” was a lot more appropriate here because if the health and safety representative is issuing a provisional improvement notice then I would have thought that it would be a requirement to issue a number of recommendations around remedying the situation and the things that are causing the contravention. But because it is a “may” there is no statutory requirement to do that and I would have thought that if we really wanted to make sure that things were tightened up then we would do the “must” here.Then we go down to clause 102—we are still talking about these provisional improvement notices. What it says here is that a person who has been issued with one of these notices or a person who has issued the notice may within 7 working days ask a regulator to appoint an inspector to review the notice. That is fair; I understand that. But then what it does in clause 103—and this is where some confusion exists—is say: “The regulator must ensure that as soon as is practicable after a request is made under section 102 an inspector”—
Dowie Sarah: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeDowie Sarah: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2015. Volume:707;Page:6061. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]SARAH DOWIE (National—Invercargill): I move That the question be now put.
Mallard Trevor: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMallard Trevor: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2015. Volume:707;Page:6060. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Trevor Mallard): Now I have got a dilemma. Jan Logie—even though she has had a call previously.Stuart Nash: Oh I haven’t had one.The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Trevor Mallard): Yes I understand that. There are a couple there who have not.
Doocey Matt: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeDoocey Matt: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2015. Volume:707;Page:6060. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]MATT DOOCEY (National—Waimakariri): I move That the question be now put.
Tisch Lindsay: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeTisch Lindsay: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2015. Volume:707;Page:6052. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch): Sorry. The member’s time has expired.
Tisch Lindsay: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeTisch Lindsay: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2015. Volume:707;Page:6047. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch): No no. The member will sit. I have already answered this question. Closure motions happen when the presiding officer determines that the debate has run its full course. Whether the Minister has participated in that or not is a matter for the presiding officer to determine. I am calling Jonathan Young.
Tisch Lindsay: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeTisch Lindsay: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2015. Volume:707;Page:6046. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch): No. That is not a point of order.Sue Moroney: It won’t?The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch): The member will sit. When I said “No” I meant “No the member will sit.” The Minister in the chair will decide whether he or she wishes to answer a question. It is not for the presiding officer—the Chair—to decide whether the Minister in the chair answers questions. That is the prerogative of the Minister and that is where it stands. Yesterday we saw the Minister in charge of the bill take five calls on Part 1 but that is not to say that Ministers in the future will take as many calls. That is their prerogative and there is nothing in the Standing Orders or Speakers’ rulings that requires the Minister in the chair to actually answer the questions. I am going to call Jonathan Young.Sue Moroney: I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson.The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch): Is this a new point of order?Sue Moroney: It is. I think you may have misunderstood what I was asking about. The direction given at the beginning of this debate was around the way in which the Chair would assess closure motions—
Moroney Sue: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMoroney Sue: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2015. Volume:707;Page:6046. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]SUE MORONEY (Labour): I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. At the outset of this debate—I am talking about the outset of the debate yesterday—we were given assurances by the Minister in the chair that if there were reasonable questions put to the Minister that those questions would be addressed. What I really want to check because the Minister in the chair now is not the Minister in charge of the bill is whether that will still occur.
Borrows Chester: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeBorrows Chester: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2015. Volume:707;Page:6041. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Chester Borrows): That is Parliament’s wish.
Moroney Sue: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMoroney Sue: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2015. Volume:707;Page:6041. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]SUE MORONEY (Labour): No that was not my intention. If Parliament does not wish it to be displayed then it will not be.
Borrows Chester: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeBorrows Chester: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2015. Volume:707;Page:6041. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Chester Borrows): I need to just make the point that this is Parliament; this is not the Government. This is Parliament and it is the members of the Committee who have expressed their thoughts. I am making this ruling as the person in the Chair of this Committee; I am not in the Chair as a member of the Government. Any suggestion that this is in some way embarrassing to the Government is offensive to me. If the member intended for that to be taken from her comment then she should withdraw and apologise.
Moroney Sue: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMoroney Sue: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2015. Volume:707;Page:6041. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]SUE MORONEY (Labour): I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. Perhaps I can allay all the fears that have been expressed by the Committee. If the Government does not wish it to be displayed it will not be.
Borrows Chester: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeBorrows Chester: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2015. Volume:707;Page:6041. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Chester Borrows): I have given an indication—the member is currently within the Standing Orders. I have given an indication that my view is that if she sought to display it in the course of a speech then I would be likely to find that inappropriate. She has not done that yet.
Bayly Andrew: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeBayly Andrew: Health and Safety Reform Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2015. Volume:707;Page:6041. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]ANDREW BAYLY (National—Hunua): Sorry Mr Chair this is a point of clarification. Is your ruling such that if the member displays it once during one speech that is appropriate? Or is that ruling going to be that she can continuously have it available any time that she rises to give a speech on this important bill?