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Peters Winston: Obituaries — Hon Herbert John Walker CMG Sir George Robert Laking KCMG Sir Edmund Percival Hillary KG ONZ KBE Hone Tuwhare 
Peters Winston: Obituaries — Hon Herbert John Walker CMG Sir George Robert Laking KCMG Sir Edmund Percival Hillary KG ONZ KBE Hone Tuwhare 
[Volume:645;Page:14078] 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 On a fateful day near the end of May 1953—as the Prime Minister has set out—Edmund Hillary began with the Sherpa companion TenzingNorgay to tackle a few hundred metres of the most terrible terrain on Earth at the top of Mount Everest. No one had ever done it before. Fifteen expeditions had already failed for it is a very hostile place—there is little oxygen and it is so hard to breathe and move. However once Edmund Hillary set his mind on climbing Mount Everest nothing got in his way. 
The North Pole had been reached in 1909 the South Pole in 1911 but Everest often described as the third pole had defied all attempts. Reaching the summit seemed beyond the reach of mere mortals. At 11.30 on 29 May 1953 Edmund Hillary and TenzingNorgay made it and by the time Edmund Hillary came down he was one of the most famous men in the world. As has been said he was knighted by the Queen but he always remained a humble man who shrugged off fame and always paid tribute to his Sherpa companion. He always felt a great debt to the people of Nepal. 
Other adventures followed including more climbs a trek across the Antarctic on a snow tractor and a search to see whether a hairy beast with big feet called a yeti or the Abominable Snowman was in fact real. He spent most of his life after his ascent of Mount Everest giving back to the native people who lived near the mountain in Nepal. After all climbers depend on the Sherpas—they carry gear lead the way and their lives are hard and many of them are very very poor. He travelled many times to Nepal to visit his Sherpa friends and their families and through the years he helped them to build health clinics hospitals bridges and schools. When he died last month he was known by most people as the first man to climb to the top of Mount Everest. But he thought his most important work came afterward helping the mountain people of Nepal. 
Edmund Hillary was always the most respected New Zealander. He represented a special breed of Kiwi—tough self-reliant caring and with a can-do attitude. When they made Sir Edmund Hillary they broke the mould. He was a man for his time and his time came on that fateful day in May 1953. He did not use it for self-aggrandisement; he used it to help others and his like will not be seen again.
Wilson Margaret: Obituaries — Hon Herbert John Walker CMG Sir George Robert Laking KCMG Sir Edmund Percival Hillary KG ONZ KBE Hone Tuwhare 
Wilson Margaret: Obituaries — Hon Herbert John Walker CMG Sir George Robert Laking KCMG Sir Edmund Percival Hillary KG ONZ KBE Hone Tuwhare 
[Volume:645;Page:14077] 
Madam SPEAKER 
: I regret to inform the House of the death on 10 January 2008 of Sir George Robert Laking KCMG who after a distinguished career as a public servant and diplomat was appointed an Ombudsman and so an Officer of Parliament in 1975 and was Chief Ombudsman from 1977 to 1984. I desire on behalf of this House to express our sense of the loss we have sustained and our sympathy with the relatives of the late former Chief Ombudsman. I now ask members to stand with me and observe a period of silence as a mark of respect for his memory. 
Honourable members stood as a mark of respect.
Key John: Obituaries — Hon Herbert John Walker CMG Sir George Robert Laking KCMG Sir Edmund Percival Hillary KG ONZ KBE Hone Tuwhare 
Key John: Obituaries — Hon Herbert John Walker CMG Sir George Robert Laking KCMG Sir Edmund Percival Hillary KG ONZ KBE Hone Tuwhare 
[Volume:645;Page:14078] 
JOHN KEY (Leader of the Opposition) 
: 
 On behalf of the National Party I wish to join with the Government in marking the passing of Sir Edmund Hillary a great New Zealander. He was a legend a humanitarian and an adventurer. An extraordinary ordinary guy he reached across all sections and age groups in our society. He was one of us. He was proud to be a New Zealander and we were proud to call him one of us. As the  
Dominion Post 
 so accurately put it in its editorial he was the New Zealander others wished they could be. Our thoughts go to Lady Hillary and Sir Edmund’s family at this time.
Clark Helen: Obituaries — Hon Herbert John Walker CMG Sir George Robert Laking KCMG Sir Edmund Percival Hillary KG ONZ KBE Hone Tuwhare 
Clark Helen: Obituaries — Hon Herbert John Walker CMG Sir George Robert Laking KCMG Sir Edmund Percival Hillary KG ONZ KBE Hone Tuwhare 
[Volume:645;Page:14077] 
Rt Hon HELEN CLARK (Prime Minister) 
: 
 I move  
That this House note with deep regret the death on 11 January 2008 of Sir Edmund Hillary KG ONZ KBE and join with all New Zealanders in expressing a sense of loss at the passing of an extraordinary New Zealander; note his lifetime of achievements including reaching the summit of Mt Everest with TenzingNorgay on 29 May 1953 his participation in the trans-Antarctic expedition of 1958 his service as New Zealand’s High Commissioner to India from 1984 to 1989 his role in founding Volunteer Service Abroad in New Zealand and his tireless and dedicated efforts to assist the Sherpa people of Nepal through building schools hospitals and other essential infrastructure; and convey to Sir Edmund’s family its profound sympathy in their bereavement. 
Three weeks ago a State funeral was held for Sir Edmund Hillary and our thoughts this past month have been for Lady Hillary and Sir Ed’s children grandchildren and wider family who have lost a much-loved family member. 
Sir Ed’s life was one that deeply touched our small nation. He was quite simply the best-known New Zealander in the world and was held in universal respect in our country. His fame spread with his conquest of Everest and later with that land crossing to the South Pole—the first since Amundsen and Scott almost half a century before. There were many other adventures too to unexplored places and extreme climates. Sir Ed’s living legacy will be the work he began in the 1960s for the Sherpa people of Nepal. He never turned his back on Nepal; he kept on giving back to the communities that had helped him. This too marks him out as a great New Zealander. At home Sir Ed was always a willing patron and supporter of good causes particularly for young people and the environment. Sir Edmund Hillary will be remembered as a towering figure who symbolised the values we most admire in our fellow New Zealanders. May he rest in peace.
Wilson Margaret: Obituaries — Hon Herbert John Walker CMG Sir George Robert Laking KCMG Sir Edmund Percival Hillary KG ONZ KBE Hone Tuwhare 
Wilson Margaret: Obituaries — Hon Herbert John Walker CMG Sir George Robert Laking KCMG Sir Edmund Percival Hillary KG ONZ KBE Hone Tuwhare 
[Volume:645;Page:14077] 
Madam SPEAKER 
: I regret to inform the House of the death on 4 January 2008 of the Hon Herbert John (Bert) Walker CMG who represented the electorate of St Albans from 1960 to 1969 and that of Papanui from 1969 to 1978. He was Minister of Tourism and of Broadcasting and Minister in charge of Publicity from 1969 to 1972 Postmaster-General in 1972 and from 1975 to 1978 Minister of Social Welfare and Minister in charge of the Government Life Insurance Office of the State Insurance Office and of the Earthquake and War Damage Commission. I desire on behalf of this House to express our sense of the loss we have sustained and our sympathy with the relatives of the late former member. I now ask members to stand with me and observe a period of silence as a mark of respect for his memory. 
Honourable members stood as a mark of respect.
Hide Rodney: Financial Service Providers (Registration and Dispute Resolution) Bill — First Reading 
Hide Rodney: Financial Service Providers (Registration and Dispute Resolution) Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:644;Page:14011] 
RODNEY HIDE (Leader—ACT) 
: 
 Let me too commend the Minister Lianne Dalziel for the way she has gone about this legislation. I think she has done a fantastic job in a difficult area. It is a job most politicians would be tempted to grandstand on and make a song and dance about. I believe that the Minister has actually got in and done the business and produced a bill in what is a very very difficult and fraught area. I also think there is an amazing consensus around Parliament about the limits and abilities of Government regulation when dealing with risk and financial management. This is something I think is new to this House. The consensus is that yes the Government can provide a role in providing better information and in rooting out fraud and fly-by-nighters but it cannot eliminate the risk. There is this peculiarity about people—I guess it is greed and the idea that history does not repeat itself. When a company or financial institution is doing particularly well and when as the Minister Michael Cullen observed people can get an extra 0.5 percent they will rush in not recognising that down through the ages people who have got high returns have had to take on a big risk and have often lost the very money they seek to protect to provide the lifestyle that we would all wish for.  
The Government cannot protect people from their greed or prevent them from taking exceptional risks. It is part of life. But the Government can provide a good regulatory regime that provides the necessary disclosure the necessary information and the desired checks and balances on those people who would stand up and say they will take our money our savings and invest them wisely on our behalf.  
I believe this is very difficult legislation. It is complex legislation with a complex impact. There are high rewards for people who can game the regulatory environment and for those who can find routes through that others cannot and therefore can appear to offer better returns with a suspected lower risk than what is real. Unfortunately we have seen that happen in recent times in New Zealand and that lesson has been hard-learnt for some people. Hopefully it is a lesson that others will pick up on and therefore they will be much more careful with their investments. I commend the Minister for this bill and I look forward to considering it in the select committee. Like Minister Michael Cullen I too thank the National Party members for letting us get home early. Thank you. 
Bill read a first time.  
Bill referred to the Finance and Expenditure Committee.
Cullen Michael: Financial Service Providers (Registration and Dispute Resolution) Bill — First Reading 
Cullen Michael: Financial Service Providers (Registration and Dispute Resolution) Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:644;Page:14010] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Minister of Finance) 
: 
 I am pleased to rise to support the Financial Service Providers (Registration and Dispute Resolution) Bill and I hope that next Tuesday we will have the chance to complete the trio with the Financial Advisers Bill which is still below the line. This is part of an important suite of legislation dealing with issues that have been highlighted by recent events. As both Ms Dalziel and I have explained to the House on a number of occasions the legislation has actually arisen out of an extensive programme of review of the regulation of the non-banking financial sector. 
It is important to note that risk is inherent in investment and it is important that people understand what that risk is and judge that risk against the returns they are getting. We have seen in New Zealand over the last year or so many people chasing a small amount of additional return people who nearly always have relatively modest amounts of assets. Mr Brown mentioned people losing hundreds of thousands of dollars. Most of those people are actually people with $20000 $30000 or $40000 as their life-savings apart from their house. Sadly we have seen these people losing some of that money. They are looking for an extra 0.5 or 1 percent but are taking a far too excessive risk in relation to the additional return because of the information available.  
Although we can never completely prevent those things happening it is hoped that this suite of legislation and changes will reduce the chances of that recurring in the next economic cycle. This is actually a very classic outcome of an economic cycle. As asset values rise as people seek higher rates of return and as people become more and more confident that nothing can go wrong people start taking higher and higher risks. Of course eventually things go wrong as they always do sooner or later in this regard.  
As this is the last bill we are doing I think it would be highly churlish of me not to thank the Opposition for its cooperation. I would dearly like to be a fly on the wall at National’s caucus meeting next Tuesday morning as the House manager explains why we have not finished the entire business this week and have had to come back next week. This was the Government’s plan A as I explained to the media and my own caucus on Tuesday morning and the great majority of Government members are here next Tuesday in any case. I particularly thank the Opposition because the way things have turned out means I will now get home significantly earlier than I had been anticipating this week. So I thank those members very much. I expect to get home at the same time next Wednesday as I had been planning.
Brown Peter: Customs and Excise Amendment Bill (No 3) — First Reading 
Brown Peter: Customs and Excise Amendment Bill (No 3) — First Reading 
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PETER BROWN (Deputy Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 My call will not take very long. I thought Rodney Hide raised an interesting point. Let me suggest that New Zealand First would not for one moment be against Rodney’s 85-year-old father growing the odd tobacco plant so he could put it in his pipe and smoke it on his porch. I would agree with Rodney’s father making his own home brew— 
Rodney Hide 
: He does! 
PETER BROWN 
: Oh he does. 
Shane Ardern 
: Put that in your pipe and smoke it! 
PETER BROWN 
: Yes. I say in fairness to Rodney that he raised an interesting point. That is not what the Customs and Excise Amendment Bill (No 3) is about and that is not as I see it what the customs and excise people are about. I think he raised an interesting point. Should there be an allowance for elderly people to grow tobacco for their own pipes? Maybe Rodney will agree that if they have the golden age card and they are unemployed they should be able to grow a bit of tobacco in their backyards. Is that a reasonable way of putting it? 
Rodney Hide 
: Absolutely. Can we hold you to that? 
PETER BROWN 
: I think the member will get my vote on that. 
New Zealand First is on record as wanting tighter and firmer border controls. By that I mean tighter controls on people goods and everything that comes and goes across our borders. We have pushed for the Immigration Bill which is going in the right direction and when that comes back to the House some time in the new year we hope we will have tighter controls on the people who come here in terms of the reasons they can come here how they get visas and what have you. We support the Customs Service having tougher controls on its responsibilities. Those guys do a great job on behalf of this country—often in the middle of the night often dealing with very awkward customers—and we need to give them all the legislative support we can. 
I will not go into the details of this bill because it has been well canvassed by the Minister and various other members in this House. New Zealand First will support this bill going to a select committee.
Yates Dianne: Customs and Excise Amendment Bill (No 3) — First Reading 
Yates Dianne: Customs and Excise Amendment Bill (No 3) — First Reading 
[Volume:644;Page:13994] 
DIANNE YATES (Labour) 
: 
 I rise to speak at the first reading of the Customs and Excise Amendment Bill (No 3) and I thank the speaker opposite Shane Ardern for his support of this bill and for his comments.  
As we have seen the bill does three things. Firstly on the recommendation of the Law Commission the bill changes the appeals system for people after their goods are seized and it makes the appeal process faster and cheaper for the appellant. So it is a matter of streamlining the system and cutting back on cost.  
Secondly it makes a number of technical amendments to ad hoc arrivals and departures. As the member mentioned it will deal with ad hoc events tourist events and will be of great benefit to those places that are running one-off ad hoc events. As has been mentioned the select committee will no doubt look very thoroughly into this legislation to make sure that biosecurity measures are complied with and that it is possible for the appropriate mechanisms to go to those particular ports for those biosecurity measures to take place. We must be particularly careful when these ad hoc events happen that they comply with all the usual processes of arrivals and departures both for people and for any goods they are carrying.  
Thirdly because of other changes to our tobacco laws the bill tightens up on the personal use and growing of tobacco and I note also that there will be increased penalties for those who are dealing illegally with manufactured tobacco products. So the Customs and Excise Amendment Bill (No 3) is in some ways making things easier and is in other ways closing up loopholes. Basically the bill is about technicalities around customs and excise.  
We thank the Minister for bringing these measures before the House and we trust that once submissions are in the select committee will make sure there are no inadvertent loopholes and that the new procedures will mean that the Customs Service will be able to get on with its duty. I just want to thank the Customs Service for the work it does. I have just read its latest magazine and it has been doing an excellent job particularly around drugs and illegal imports to New Zealand. I take this opportunity to thank the Customs Service staff on behalf of New Zealanders for the work they do in protecting not only our biosecurity but our shores.
Fenton Darien: Electricity Industry Reform Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Fenton Darien: Electricity Industry Reform Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:644;Page:13983] 
DARIEN FENTON (Labour) 
: 
 It is a pleasure to take a short call on the Electricity Industry Reform Amendment Bill. It was interesting to hear the previous speaker Gerry Brownlee. He had some sort of paranoia about National’s policies being stolen by the Labour Party. Yeah right! [ 
Interruption 
] That is right. It also reminded us of Max Bradford. That name is a blast from the past that I never thought I would have to worry about. The unlamented Max Bradford—oh my goodness! We have moved on from there but I do not like to be reminded of these things. 
Lesley Soper 
: His colleagues are still here. 
DARIEN FENTON 
: That is true. 
This bill is an important part of the Government’s plan for a sustainable future. Sustainability is something that we are all coming to grips with. Everybody is talking about it. Everybody knows that we have to deal with the issues facing our planet and the issues we have with climate change. Our Labour-led Government has set a goal of 90 percent renewable generation by 2025. It is a perfectly achievable goal. We have already introduced legislation for a New Zealand emissions trading scheme and a 10-year ban on baseload thermal generation except where it is needed to ensure security of supply. This Government is committed to both renewable generation and security of supply in order to continue New Zealand’s drive for economic transformation. We are encouraging more renewable generation improving energy efficiency and maintaining security of supply. 
The purpose of this bill is to deliver all of those things and the amendment is to further encourage lines companies to invest in renewable generation. As the Minister has outlined it does that through three major changes. First it makes it easier for owners of lines businesses to sell the renewable generation they are permitted to own under the 2001 and 2004 amendments. Second it allows owners of lines businesses to be involved in generation and retailing without restrictions outside their lines area. Third it extends the definition of eligible renewables to include hydro and geothermal energy now covering all renewables. 
This is a good bill. It is good that it has the support of the Opposition. I can assure the Opposition that we did not steal its policy. This is our idea. 
Lesley Soper 
: They’re desperate. 
DARIEN FENTON 
: Yes Opposition members are desperate to claim ownership of things that we all know we have to deal with. I look forward to the debate at the Commerce Committee and to the bill being reported back to the House.
Vote: Maori Purposes Bill (No 2) — First Reading 
Vote: Maori Purposes Bill (No 2) — First Reading 
[Volume:644;Page:13981] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the motion be agreed to. 
Ayes 70 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; United Future 2; Progressive 1; Independent: Field. 
Noes 49 
New Zealand National 48; Independent: Copeland. 
Motion agreed to.
Horomia Parekura: Maori Purposes Bill (No 2) — First Reading 
Horomia Parekura: Maori Purposes Bill (No 2) — First Reading 
[Volume:644;Page:13981] 
Hon PAREKURA HOROMIA (Minister of Maori Affairs) 
: 
 I move  
That the Maori Purposes Bill (No 2) be considered by the Maori Affairs Committee 
 that the committee report back to the House on or before 27 March 2008 and that the committee have authority to meet at any time while the House is sitting except during oral questions during any evening on a day on which there has been a sitting of the House and on a Friday in a week in which there has been a sitting of the House despite Standing Orders 191(2) 195(1)(b) and (c).
Peters Winston: Maori Purposes Bill (No 2) — First Reading 
Peters Winston: Maori Purposes Bill (No 2) — First Reading 
[Volume:644;Page:13979] 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Assistant Speaker. That member has made that allegation to the man in question who has denied it—as I deny it. Why does he not go outside and say it? Because he knows he will have his little bottom sued off. There he is prepared to make a statement to this House without one fact or the document and having said it he admitted it. He should go outside and say that and we will see how long he lasts—“Big Boy”! 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Ann Hartley) 
: That is not a point of order.
Clarkson Bob: Maori Purposes Bill (No 2) — First Reading 
Clarkson Bob: Maori Purposes Bill (No 2) — First Reading 
[Volume:644;Page:13979] 
BOB CLARKSON (National—Tauranga) 
: 
 I seek leave to table the paper declaring where Winston got his funds from during the election in Tauranga—Western Bay Finance—but unfortunately I do not have a paper so I cannot do it. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Ann Hartley) 
: The member should not trifle with the House like that. If members do not have something to table then they cannot ask for leave to table it.
Finlayson Christopher: Maori Purposes Bill (No 2) — First Reading 
Finlayson Christopher: Maori Purposes Bill (No 2) — First Reading 
[Volume:644;Page:13979] 
CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON (National) 
: 
 I seek leave to table the report of the full court of the High Court that adjudicated on the petition brought by Mr Peters which was the second resounding loss he had in 2005. 
Document not tabled.
Peters Winston: Maori Purposes Bill (No 2) — First Reading 
Peters Winston: Maori Purposes Bill (No 2) — First Reading 
[Volume:644;Page:13979] 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 I seek leave to table the returns in respect of expenditure in the Tauranga electorate at the last election in which one candidate declared $10000 and the court said: “No you are not telling the truth. It is much more than that. Let us work our way through and find out what it is.” He did sneak through because of other things but the reality of it all is that he put in a false return. 
Document not tabled.
Finlayson Christopher: Maori Purposes Bill (No 2) — First Reading 
Finlayson Christopher: Maori Purposes Bill (No 2) — First Reading 
[Volume:644;Page:13979] 
CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON (National) 
: 
 I seek leave to table the results of the election in Tauranga in 2005 when Kim Jong Il’s mate was completely outclassed by Bob Clarkson. 
Document not tabled.
Peters Winston: Maori Purposes Bill (No 2) — First Reading 
Peters Winston: Maori Purposes Bill (No 2) — First Reading 
[Volume:644;Page:13979] 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 I seek leave to table the E9 for the 1996 election in which the National Party had a disastrous year in the Maori seats and we in New Zealand First won the whole lot of them which would probably give a clear indication as to whether Mr Finlayson the previous speaker was making any sense or telling any truth whatsoever in his speech. 
Document not tabled.
Turei Metiria: Maori Purposes Bill (No 2) — First Reading 
Turei Metiria: Maori Purposes Bill (No 2) — First Reading 
[Volume:644;Page:13974] 
METIRIA TUREI (Green) 
: 
 I will take just a very short call on the Maori Purposes Bill (No 2) to say that the Green Party is supporting it. We are pleased to be able to do so. It does do some useful things. I do not see that it is particularly controversial though some members especially this week have made an absolute drama out of all sorts of strange things for quite unnecessary reasons. But it all adds to the pleasure of being here so I do not mind particularly. It is certainly entertaining. It is very good that this bill is before the House. It means that this work will be done. We agree with much of what is in the bill and we look forward to the comments from submitters and to working in the select committee on progressing the legislation. Thank you.
Guy Nathan: Voting — Point of Order—Mauao Historic Reserve Vesting Bill 
Guy Nathan: Voting — Point of Order—Mauao Historic Reserve Vesting Bill 
[Volume:644;Page:13970] 
NATHAN GUY (Junior Whip—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. I want to talk about a matter that occurred earlier on this afternoon to do with the National Party’s vote on the Mauao Historic Reserve Vesting Bill.  
Hansard 
 and the television footage will show that no party vote was called; everyone in the House was in favour of that and what the National Party opposed was to do with the Maori Affairs Committee meeting outside Standing Orders on the sitting days because the Maori Affairs Committee is not the busiest one in Parliament. I want to make the point that the error occurred as a result of human error and the Clerk is aware of that. I want to put that on record. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Ann Hartley) 
: Thank you for that. It is certainly acknowledged in the record.
Tolley Anne: Voting — Point of Order—Mauao Historic Reserves Vesting Bill 
Tolley Anne: Voting — Point of Order—Mauao Historic Reserves Vesting Bill 
[Volume:644;Page:13966] 
ANNE TOLLEY (Senior Whip—National) 
: 
 I wish to correct an error in our voting on the previous bill the Mauao Historic Reserve Vesting Bill. I believe that our votes were given against the bill and we wish them to be recorded in favour of the bill. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Ann Hartley) 
: The member is seeking leave?  
ANNE TOLLEY 
: I am seeking leave to change the vote. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Ann Hartley) 
: The member is seeking leave to have the vote recorded in the way the member has indicated. Is there any objection? There is not. That will be done.
Hughes Darren: Injury Prevention Rehabilitation and Compensation Amendment Bill (No 2) — First Reading 
Hughes Darren: Injury Prevention Rehabilitation and Compensation Amendment Bill (No 2) — First Reading 
[Volume:644;Page:13965] 
Hon DARREN HUGHES (Deputy Leader of the House) 
 on behalf of the  
Minister for ACC 
: I move  
That the Injury Prevention Rehabilitation and Compensation Amendment Bill (No 2) be referred to the Transport and Industrial Relations Committee 
 and that the committee report the bill by 12 May 2008. 
Motion agreed to.
Vote: Injury Prevention Rehabilitation and Compensation Amendment Bill (No 2) — First Reading 
Vote: Injury Prevention Rehabilitation and Compensation Amendment Bill (No 2) — First Reading 
[Volume:644;Page:13965] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Injury Prevention Rehabilitation and Compensation Amendment Bill (No 2) be now read a first time. 
Ayes 70 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; United Future 2; Progressive 1; Independent: Field. 
Noes 51 
New Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 2; Independent: Copeland. 
Bill read a first time.
Cullen Michael: Ministerial Statements — Capital and Coast District Health Board—Appointment of Crown Monitor 
Cullen Michael: Ministerial Statements — Capital and Coast District Health Board—Appointment of Crown Monitor 
[Volume:644;Page:13954] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Deputy Prime Minister) 
: 
 I will respond to one key point raised by both Tony Ryall and Heather Roy which is whether a commissioner should have been appointed. Clearly the Government considered that option. There is a major legal barrier to the appointment of a commissioner. Even though there is substantial continuity in the membership of the Capital and Coast District Health Board as a legal entity in any practice this is a new health board not the old health board. A new health board started only this week. It would therefore be very difficult for the Government to justify under any legal challenge the appointment of a commissioner to replace the current board before that new board had had a chance to show whether it was capable of turning round the situation at that board. Let us not pretend that litigation does not occur in those kinds of circumstances. In other words the advice that I had very clearly as Attorney-General was that we would be exposed to a very serious risk that any such action could be challenged and overturned in court. That was not therefore thought to be the appropriate way to proceed in this case.  
On the second point made by Mr Ryall I fully agree with him that the front-line personnel need to be part of the solution. That is another reason why the Crown monitor who is being sent in is not a person from outside the hospital and medical profession but is in fact a highly experienced person within the hospital system. He has very high credibility and has participated in a range of activities that clearly well suit him to form that crucial bridge between the board and the medical staff and to ensure that proper consultation occurs.  
The Government has every hope that the appointment of a new chair and a Crown monitor will lead to a change in the effectiveness of the governance arrangements at this district health board.
Turner Judy: Ministerial Statements — Capital and Coast District Health Board—Appointment of Crown Monitor 
Turner Judy: Ministerial Statements — Capital and Coast District Health Board—Appointment of Crown Monitor 
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JUDY TURNER (Deputy Leader—United Future) 
: 
 United Future supports what the Government has chosen to announce today. We certainly support the appointment of Sir John Anderson. We think he is a very fine choice to be looking at the very serious matters that face this district health board. We encourage the Government to continue to keep a very watchful eye on and stay in close contact with the Crown monitor as things progress. We would hate to think the Government has completely ruled out the option of appointing a commissioner in the future should the situation prove to be more serious than it looks even now. Having said that it is not because we have any disregard for who has been appointed.  
We also support the comments made by other members of this House regarding their commitment to supporting the very fine staff who work for this district health board. We want to make sure that where there are systemic problems for that district health board they are addressed as such and that this House refrains from attacking people who are delivering a very fine service.
Roy Heather: Ministerial Statements — Capital and Coast District Health Board—Appointment of Crown Monitor 
Roy Heather: Ministerial Statements — Capital and Coast District Health Board—Appointment of Crown Monitor 
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HEATHER ROY (Deputy Leader—ACT) 
: 
 On behalf of the ACT party I say that we too felt that a commissioner should have been inserted into position—an independent commissioner with the ability to think outside the square and turn this organisation round. Unfortunately the board has a very familiar look to it. The Government has had 6 years to rectify the situation at Capital and Coast District Health Board. I wish the board well but I suspect we will see very little in the way of change.  
There is a difficulty with the district health board format. Boards are democratically elected but unfortunately democracy ends there. Boards are given the instruction that they are there to implement the Government’s health policy. That will not change. Systemic failure which has been rife I am sad to say at Capital and Coast District Health Board results in medical errors being made. This Minister of Health the Hon David Cunliffe in his very short time has managed to misinterpret very deliberately and cynically criticisms of himself and his health policies as an attack on the clinical staff at Wellington Hospital. That is quite wrong. There is no one in this House I think who does not believe that the doctors nurses and other health professionals working at Capital and Coast District Health Board are very committed professional and provide excellent skills.  
But when systemic failure arises it inevitably results in medical errors. That is exactly what we have seen. It was very distressing to see a report earlier this week about a razor gang—and the proposed cutting of 50 doctors. I can liken that only to cutting muscle rather than fat in an organisation in crisis. We do not believe that this business of dealing with Capital and Coast District Health Board’s woes has been done quickly or boldly enough. I hope things improve at Wellington Hospital but sadly I fear that will not be the case.
Turia Tariana: Ministerial Statements — Capital and Coast District Health Board—Appointment of Crown Monitor 
Turia Tariana: Ministerial Statements — Capital and Coast District Health Board—Appointment of Crown Monitor 
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TARIANA TURIA (Co-Leader—Maori Party) 
: 
 The Maori Party supports the move the Government has made at this time. It is our firm belief that the board actually does have the confidence of the community at large because its members have only just recently been elected. Having used the services at Wellington Hospital myself as have members of my family I commend the people who work at that hospital for the great service they provide. Kia ora.
Fitzsimons Jeanette: Ministerial Statements — Capital and Coast District Health Board—Appointment of Crown Monitor 
Fitzsimons Jeanette: Ministerial Statements — Capital and Coast District Health Board—Appointment of Crown Monitor 
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JEANETTE FITZSIMONS (Co-Leader—Green) 
: 
 The Green Party welcomes the step the Government has taken to sort out the appalling mess at Wellington Hospital. Unlike the National Party we think this step will have minimal interference in normal processes yet maximum effect in turning things round compared with completely overturning the board and starting again. We sincerely hope it will work and we express our support for all the medical staff who at last are to be consulted on the way forward for this hospital.
Brown Peter: Ministerial Statements — Capital and Coast District Health Board—Appointment of Crown Monitor 
Brown Peter: Ministerial Statements — Capital and Coast District Health Board—Appointment of Crown Monitor 
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PETER BROWN (Deputy Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 My contribution will be brief but hopefully to the point. New Zealand First acknowledges what the Government has done and is supportive of it. We also recognise that the medical staff—the doctors and nurses and all involved in that hospital and district health board—do a first-class job and are first-rate people. We believe that something had to be done and we believe that Sir John Anderson is the right person to head the new team—so to speak—with the help and assistance of Ken Douglas. We sincerely wish them well.
Vote: Mauao Historic Reserve Vesting Bill — First Reading 
Vote: Mauao Historic Reserve Vesting Bill — First Reading 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the motion be agreed to. 
Ayes 70 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; United Future 2; Progressive 1; Independent: Field. 
Noes 51 
New Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 2; Independent: Copeland. 
Motion agreed to.
Horomia Parekura: Mauao Historic Reserve Vesting Bill — First Reading 
Horomia Parekura: Mauao Historic Reserve Vesting Bill — First Reading 
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Hon PAREKURA HOROMIA (Minister of Maori Affairs) 
: 
 I move  
That the Mauao Historic Reserve Vesting Bill be considered by the Maori Affairs Committee 
 that the committee report back to the House on or before 27 March 2008 and that the committee have authority to meet at any time while the House is sitting except during oral questions during any evening on a day on which there has been a sitting of the House and on a Friday in a week in which there has been a sitting of the House despite Standing Orders 192 and 195(1)(b) and (c).
Clarkson Bob: Mauao Historic Reserve Vesting Bill — First Reading 
Clarkson Bob: Mauao Historic Reserve Vesting Bill — First Reading 
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BOB CLARKSON (National—Tauranga) 
: 
 It is good to see everybody heading in the same direction. We are not actually even slagging off each other which I think is a pretty good sign. I keep going up to the Waitangi celebrations on the top of the Mount and I have to say “sorry” every time I go up. The various Maori groups know what I am talking about. I am talking about the ownership of the Mount. I have done that for several years now and it is quite sickening. So it is good to see a bit of movement here. I am pleased to talk on this Mauao Historic Reserve Vesting Bill of course because the Mount is in my area and is quite dominant within it. I do not see too much wrong with doing this deal. It will help to build a healthy relationship between the Crown and the different Maori groups. Sad to say it is a bit of a Clayton’s deal. We are vesting it to the Maori groups; we are not giving it to them. This needs to be debated in the select committee to see whether there is a better way to do it. By partly giving it it will be kept out of the Treaty settlements because there is no monetary gain in the future. If it was a simple transfer of title it could be argued that it could be part of a land Treaty settlement—which might drag on for years—and have a value put on it. I do not think that the people of Tauranga would be happy to give full title; they want free access to walk around or up the Mount at any time— 
Hon Parekura Horomia 
: That’s not what Georgina said. 
BOB CLARKSON 
: I said that there was no heckling today. And that access would be for the foreseeable future. Full title might cause some access problems in the future. 
A couple of points need to be dealt with in the select committee. If extra access rights are needed for various things like water reticulation water tanks navigation lights and those things some provisions might have to be put in the bill to cover them in the future—there are some access provisions in it at the moment—but only if they are needed for good reason. It should be made clear how we will deal with those issues. We do not need a situation whereby a future Minister can revoke the reserve status and the land become private property. This needs discussing in the select committee as well. I want to hear clearly that the camping ground is out of the equation and will not be affected. I believe it is but I would like to hear it. 
Generally to finish my short speech let us get a result. It is good to see us all moving in the same direction. I think we can get a result out of this and we need to. I need the ownership declared because I have asked the Maori groups up there to bury me on the top of the Mount when it is all sorted out. Thank you Madam Speaker.
Turei Metiria: Mauao Historic Reserve Vesting Bill — First Reading 
Turei Metiria: Mauao Historic Reserve Vesting Bill — First Reading 
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METIRIA TUREI (Green) 
: 
 I will take just a short call on the Mauao Historic Reserve Vesting Bill. The Greens are very pleased to support the bill going to the select committee and we are pleased to hear that there is generally broad support for this legislation.  
I agree with the Hon Georgina te Heuheu that it would be nice to see more of this kind of legislation where recognition is given to Maori for their ownership where there is recognition that title is not something to be feared by the community and where one can enable Maori and iwi to have title of their traditional properties without it being used as a scaremongering tactic as we have seen in the past with other kinds of properties. It does not have to be done within the framework of the Treaty settlement but through other more rational processes with the Government and with Government agencies.  
Unfortunately I was not able to meet with the iwi before this bill came to the House but I do understand that there is generally broad support and I certainly take the advice of other colleagues who have spoken with them about that. In so far as the bill provides for the maunga to go back to those who are its traditional original and rightful owners the Greens are very pleased to be able to enable that to occur to some extent. Thank you.
Hereora Dave: Companies (Minority Buy-out Rights) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Hereora Dave: Companies (Minority Buy-out Rights) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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DAVE HEREORA (Labour) 
: 
 I take this opportunity to take a short call on the Companies (Minority Buy-out Rights) Amendment Bill. I stand in support of this bill. As a member of the Commerce Committee I take a particular interest in the buy-out provisions and the application of these provisions and I compare that to the debate we had on the Waka Umanga (Maori Corporations) Bill last evening on the issues surrounding iwi structures and trying to marry that up with other legal identities in order to give them the opportunity to be able to compete in today’s economy. So as a member of the committee I will be taking a particular interest in those comparisons and I look forward to a robust analysis of this draft and to supporting the committee’s recommendations to the House.
Locke Keith: Companies (Minority Buy-out Rights) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Locke Keith: Companies (Minority Buy-out Rights) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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KEITH LOCKE (Green) 
: 
 The Green Party will be supporting the Companies (Minority Buy-out Rights) Amendment Bill. We listened with rapt attention to the very profound comments from the previous speaker Paul Swain and from Gerry Brownlee. We are most upset that we are not represented on the Commerce Committee that this legislation will be going to and that we will not be able to hear the wisdom of not only the members and the chairperson but also the many presenters. 
Gerry Brownlee 
: You can seek leave. We would love to have you there. 
KEITH LOCKE 
: Thank you for that invitation. We will look closely at taking it up. 
I am sure that the interests of the minority shareholders will be protected. However I listened very closely to Pita Sharples’ speech and there is a lot of work to be done to make sure that this legislation is applicable to Maori trusts and the like. Thank you.
Gallagher Martin: Companies (Minority Buy-out Rights) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Gallagher Martin: Companies (Minority Buy-out Rights) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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MARTIN GALLAGHER (Labour—Hamilton West) 
: 
 That was a bit of a worrying speech actually—particularly as I understand that the speaker apparently is the chair of the Commerce Committee. But I certainly hope that the Minister Lianne Dalziel will be instructing officials to give the committee a full briefing— 
Hon Lianne Dalziel 
: Oh no! They need an in-depth briefing after listening to that. 
MARTIN GALLAGHER 
: Well I want the Minister to make sure she gives the select committee every assistance. That is very important. Having said that I tell members that I do appreciate the member opposite. He is chair of the Commerce Committee and I am sure that he tries to do a very good job. I hope he does. But again I sense a degree of frustration because at least we now have a Minister who is addressing quite an important issue. I want to make the point—and I think in fairness the previous speaker did make this point—that the provisions of the Companies Act 1993 require currently that the company offers a fair and reasonable price to the shareholder for the shares but provide no guidance as to how a fair and reasonable price is calculated. Indeed the current law does not require that the company give any information to the shareholder on the basis of its valuation for the buy-out.  
The good thing about this legislation is that it will provide for a fairer and more transparent transaction process for the minority shareholder and it strengthens their minority buy-out rights. I am looking forward to the select committee looking at this bill clause by clause and line by line.  
I will make one other point: this is another good move for what I call the mum and dad shareholders. If we can improve this law around the rights of the minority in a company that will encourage people actually to invest. We so need to build a savings culture and an investment culture in this country. This legislation will encourage people to invest in companies in this country and I think that anything we can do to encourage ordinary people to invest in our economy particularly by way of purchasing shares and to improve and strengthen their particular rights in these particular cases is to be encouraged.  
I commend this bill and look forward— 
Gerry Brownlee 
: Why? The man doesn’t even know what’s in it. 
MARTIN GALLAGHER 
: Well actually I think I know a heck of a lot more of what is in it than the chair of the Commerce Committee—he should be afraid; he should be very afraid. But I am not going to take any more time now. The Minister has given this Parliament an assurance that she will make her officials fully available to the select committee on what I think is a very positive bill. Thank you.
Vote: Dog Control Amendment Bill (No 2) — First Reading 
Vote: Dog Control Amendment Bill (No 2) — First Reading 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Dog Control Amendment Bill (No 2) be now read a first time. 
Ayes 119 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand National 48; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; United Future 2; Progressive 1; Independents: Copeland Field. 
Noes 2 
ACT New Zealand 2. 
Bill read a first time.
Bradford Sue: Dog Control Amendment Bill (No 2) — First Reading 
Bradford Sue: Dog Control Amendment Bill (No 2) — First Reading 
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SUE BRADFORD (Green) 
: 
 I commend the previous speaker Peter Brown for his commendable brevity. I will do likewise.  
Despite previous difficulties over bills dealing with dog control measures the Green Party will be supporting the referral of the Dog Control Amendment Bill (No 2) to the select committee. It seems on the face of it to be a sensible little bill allowing councils more scope flexibility and control over what they can do about dog dangers in their local areas.  
I have to say that I for one certainly believe that in many ways details of animal control do more logically lie within the purview of local government rather than taking up extensive time in this Parliament and its select committee process as has happened in recent times.  
I am pleased to see this bill going forward. Unlike the National Party but like New Zealand First we are very happy to make our position clear. We will be supporting this bill and we just hope it goes through with some speed.