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McKelvie Ian: West Coast Wind-blown Timber (Conservation Lands) Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMcKelvie Ian: West Coast Wind-blown Timber (Conservation Lands) Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third Reading[Sitting date: 26 June 2014. Volume:699;Page:18980. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]IAN McKELVIE (National—Rangitīkei):I have learnt a couple of things this Labour of today. It gives me great pleasure to speak in support of an innovative expedient and pragmatic piece of legislation afternoon. One thing I have learnt for sure is that I am proud to belong to the National of old; I would hate to belong to the led by the Minister of Conservation to overcome a position of extreme adversity in our country. I do not see this as particularly a West Coast problem; I see it as a New Zealand problem and I see it as a New Zealand opportunity that will certainly create some significant opportunities and advantages for the West Coast. It will also create some opportunity to allow those forests on the West Coast that have been so badly damaged by this storm to regenerate themselves in a much better fashion than they otherwise would. I think that is an exciting thing.I think it is very positive legislation. To be able to attempt to salvage some 20000 hectares of rimu mataī tōtara and beech particularly which have fallen in an unfortunate storm is in my view common sense. I support the West Coast Wind-blown Timber (Conservation Lands) Bill. I think it is an extremely sensible piece of legislation. In fact I am proud to support something that is as sensible as this and creates an opportunity for New Zealand in a time of adversity as this does. We are very good at that. I support this bill in the House.
Tisch Lindsay: West Coast Wind-blown Timber (Conservation Lands) Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeTisch Lindsay: West Coast Wind-blown Timber (Conservation Lands) Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third Reading[Sitting date: 26 June 2014. Volume:699;Page:18979. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch): Leave is sought for that purpose. Is there any objection? There is objection. I am calling Gareth Hughes. [Interruption] Sorry Catherine Delahunty. Are you taking the call?Catherine Delahunty: Yes I am.The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch): Catherine Delahunty—5 minutes.
Hughes Gareth: West Coast Wind-blown Timber (Conservation Lands) Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeHughes Gareth: West Coast Wind-blown Timber (Conservation Lands) Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third Reading[Sitting date: 26 June 2014. Volume:699;Page:18979. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]GARETH HUGHES (Green):This is not a speaking slot; it is a point of order. I seek leave at the conclusion of this first reading that this bill the West Coast Wind-blown Timber (Conservation Lands) Bill is sent to the Local Government and Environment Committee for a 2-week period with a report-back date of 10 July so that the public can have a say on this important matter.
Tisch Lindsay: West Coast Wind-blown Timber (Conservation Lands) Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeTisch Lindsay: West Coast Wind-blown Timber (Conservation Lands) Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third Reading[Sitting date: 26 June 2014. Volume:699;Page:18977. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch): I understand the next call is a split call. Andrew Williams—5 minutes. Andrew Little.
Auchinvole Chris: West Coast Wind-blown Timber (Conservation Lands) Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeAuchinvole Chris: West Coast Wind-blown Timber (Conservation Lands) Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third Reading[Sitting date: 26 June 2014. Volume:699;Page:18977. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]CHRIS AUCHINVOLE (National):On 22 March 2006 I called for the then Minister of Conservation the Hon Chris Carter to take economic and social factors into account when making decisions on the permits for activities in the conservation estate. This was a major demand of people living on the West Coast then; it still is now. I am very pleased to have seen steady albeit gradual carefully designed development towards this objective particularly over the years of the National-led Government since 2008.A further encouragement to enter politics to represent the interests of people living in the coast came from the arbitrarily decided cessation of native logging by Helen Clark’s Labour Government. This was a classic illustration of Labour absolutist thinking: stop all logging not some—all. There was no room for sustainable logging; there was no room for windthrow harvesting. Now that the far more balanced response to the windthrow timber recovery is proposed what does Labour do? It decides to oppose the West Coast Wind-blown Timber (Conservation Lands) Bill. It decides to oppose the bill. I presume that the Labour member from the Coast Damien O’Connor will do his usual standard hand-washing asking permission to vote in favour of it while at the same time proposing Supplementary Order Papers to limit the activity to restrict it to give it a stricture. That is crazy.West Coasters will not find team National divided on this issue either with our partner parties Cabinet Ministers members or candidates for the next election. Labour it seems is riven with division on this issue. The reason is twofold: it wants to cuddle up to the Greens and it has a tradition of treating the Coast with contempt.Grant Robertson: Oh coming from that party over there!CHRIS AUCHINVOLE: Oh yes it does. Actually the Key-led Government likes the Coast admires the people who live on the Coast and is happy on this occasion to allow the harvest of natural resources in the conservation estate—in this particular case windthrown timber. I support this bill. Thank you.
Vote: UrgencyText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeVote: Urgency[Sitting date: 26 June 2014. Volume:699;Page:18960. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]A party votewas called for on the questionThat urgency be accorded.Ayes63New Zealand National 59; Māori Party 2; United Future 1; Independent: Horan.Noes55New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 13; New Zealand First 7; Mana 1.Motion agreed to.
Brownlee Gerry: UrgencyText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeBrownlee Gerry: Urgency[Sitting date: 26 June 2014. Volume:699;Page:18960. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (Leader of the House):I move That urgency be accorded the introduction and passing of the West Coast Wind-blown Timber (Conservation Lands) Bill. Cyclone Ita struck on 17 April 2014 felling thousands of hectares of native trees on the West Coast. Much of that timber is beech and as the Minister of Conservation outlined today there are a number of other species that can also be recovered. This is high-quality finishing timber but it is highly susceptible to attack by borer and sap staining in the spring.As we start this debate today we are in a rimu-clad room standing at rimu desks and enjoying the soft ambience that you get from these native timbers. To see those timbers wasted in the way that the political opposition to this move want to see is I think an utter disgrace. There is in this bill the opportunity to recover a substantial amount of that wind-blown timberwhichwould otherwise sit there and over some decades rot and be wasted. That timber will provide a significant opportunity to the people of the West Coast an opportunity that certainly this part of the House if not their local representative wants to see for them I think this is a perfectly justifiable action this afternoon. Urgency should be accorded to this because in the early days of the fall there can be damage that does make that windfall less than optimal for retrieval.
Lee Melissa: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to MinistersText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeLee Melissa: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers[Sitting date: 26 June 2014. Volume:699;Page:18954. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]9.MELISSA LEE (National)to the Minister for Social Development: What support is the Ministry of Social Development providing to people in Christchurch still dealing with the impact of the earthquakes?Hon PAULA BENNETT (Minister for Social Development):A lot. I shall just concentrate in this answer on the more money that we are putting into psychosocial services in this year’s Budget. We have invested an extra $13.5 million for continuing the Earthquake Support Coordination Service providing more trauma counselling supporting the 0800 Canterbury support line and NGOs that are supporting the resilience of those people in Canterbury.Melissa Lee: What kind of support does the Earthquake Support Coordination Service provide?Hon PAULA BENNETT: It was important back when the earthquakes occurred and it is still important now that it provides practical help to Cantabrians in need of that bit of extra support to try to work their way through what can be a rather complex at times range of assistance available to them. The new money will provide earthquake coordination support for up to 5000 households and access to counselling services for an extra 240 people a month.Melissa Lee: What extra support is being provided by the Ministry of Social Development in Canterbury?Hon PAULA BENNETT: What we know is that housing remains an issue for Cantabrians. That is why the Budget included an extra $2.26 million for the Canterbury Earthquake Temporary Accommodation Service. Yesterday however Minister Brownlee and I announced that people impacted by recent flooding will also be eligible to apply for the temporary assistance which ranges from $180 to $330 a week. The flooding has compounded problems some residents are already facing due to the earthquakes and we are committed to making support available to them for easing some of the short-term accommodation pressures.
Macindoe Tim: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to MinistersText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMacindoe Tim: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers[Sitting date: 26 June 2014. Volume:699;Page:18951. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]7.TIM MACINDOE (National—Hamilton West)to the Minister of Education: What recent announcements has she made to celebrate and recognise the highly effective and innovative practice happening across the education system?Hon HEKIA PARATA (Minister of Education):I was delighted to announce the 16 finalists from whom the Prime Minister presented six winners at the Prime Minister’s Education Excellence Awards ceremony last night. The evening was a celebration of the wonderful work being done every day in schools and early childhood centres around the country. The supreme award winner Ōtūmoetai Intermediate School in Tauranga represented the best of what works to raise student achievement. I want to congratulate all our winners and our finalists and acknowledge the other 147 entries which are making a difference for Kiwi kids every day.Tim Macindoe: What is the focus of the Prime Minister’s Education Excellence Awards?Hon HEKIA PARATA: The focus of the awards reflects the best evidence on what works in education to raise achievement. As has been consistently identified in this House quality teaching and school leadership are the big in-school factors and parental involvement and community expectations are the big out-of-school factors. These awards and their winners emphasise profile and celebrate what can be achieved with a focus on these factors. It has been fantastic to hear how the finalists have worked together to raise achievement for all.Tim Macindoe: What other initiatives are in place to strengthen and value the teaching profession?Hon HEKIA PARATA: This Government is committed to celebrating and investing in excellence in education and to backing all of our teachers to raise achievement. Our $359 million investment to raise student achievement and the establishment of the new professional body the Education Council of Aotearoa New Zealand are all part of acknowledging the profession raising its status and recognising the critical contribution that quality educational achievement makes to New Zealand.
Carter David: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to MinistersText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeCarter David: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers[Sitting date: 26 June 2014. Volume:699;Page:18944. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Mr SPEAKER: Leave is sought for this question to be held over. Is there any objection to that course of action? There is.
Parker David: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to MinistersText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeParker David: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers[Sitting date: 26 June 2014. Volume:699;Page:18944. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Hon DAVID PARKER (Deputy Leader—Labour):I seek leave for this question to be held over as an additional question when Minister Joyce is present.
Brownlee Gerry: Business StatementText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeBrownlee Gerry: Business Statement[Sitting date: 26 June 2014. Volume:699;Page:18941. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (Leader of the House):The Government is very keen to progress as much legislation as possible. If the member is offering some extraordinary cooperation on that bill then there is some slim possibility that a place may be found for it.
Robertson Grant: Business StatementText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeRobertson Grant: Business Statement[Sitting date: 26 June 2014. Volume:699;Page:18941. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]GRANT ROBERTSON (Labour—Wellington Central):I just wonder whether the Leader of the House could tell us whether the Government intends to proceed with the Smoke-free Environments (Tobacco Plain Packaging) Amendment Bill before the House rises for the election.
Brownlee Gerry: Business StatementText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeBrownlee Gerry: Business Statement[Sitting date: 26 June 2014. Volume:699;Page:18941. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (Leader of the House):When the House resumes on Tuesday 1 July the Government will look to progress the Appropriation (2014/15 Estimates) Bill the Gambling Amendment Bill (No 2) and a number of other items on the Order Paper.
UrgencyText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeUrgency[Sitting date: 26 June 2014. Volume:699;Page:18960. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]UrgencyHon GERRY BROWNLEE (Leader of the House):I move That urgency be accorded the introduction and passing of the West Coast Wind-blown Timber (Conservation Lands) Bill. Cyclone Ita struck on 17 April 2014 felling thousands of hectares of native trees on the West Coast. Much of that timber is beech and as the Minister of Conservation outlined today there are a number of other species that can also be recovered. This is high-quality finishing timber but it is highly susceptible to attack by borer and sap staining in the spring.As we start this debate today we are in a rimu-clad room standing at rimu desks and enjoying the soft ambience that you get from these native timbers. To see those timbers wasted in the way that the political opposition to this move want to see is I think an utter disgrace. There is in this bill the opportunity to recover a substantial amount of that wind-blown timberwhichwould otherwise sit there and over some decades rot and be wasted. That timber will provide a significant opportunity to the people of the West Coast an opportunity that certainly this part of the House if not their local representative wants to see for them I think this is a perfectly justifiable action this afternoon. Urgency should be accorded to this because in the early days of the fall there can be damage that does make that windfall less than optimal for retrieval.A party votewas called for on the questionThat urgency be accorded.Ayes63New Zealand National 59; Māori Party 2; United Future 1; Independent: Horan.Noes55New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 13; New Zealand First 7; Mana 1.Motion agreed to.
Business StatementText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeBusiness Statement[Sitting date: 26 June 2014. Volume:699;Page:18941. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Thursday 26 June 2014Mr Speaker took the Chair at 2 p.m.Prayers.Business StatementHon GERRY BROWNLEE (Leader of the House):When the House resumes on Tuesday 1 July the Government will look to progress the Appropriation (2014/15 Estimates) Bill the Gambling Amendment Bill (No 2) and a number of other items on the Order Paper.GRANT ROBERTSON (Labour—Wellington Central):I just wonder whether the Leader of the House could tell us whether the Government intends to proceed with the Smoke-free Environments (Tobacco Plain Packaging) Amendment Bill before the House rises for the election.Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (Leader of the House):The Government is very keen to progress as much legislation as possible. If the member is offering some extraordinary cooperation on that bill then there is some slim possibility that a place may be found for it.
Vote: Parental Leave and Employment Protection (Six Months’ Paid Leave) Amendment Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeVote: Parental Leave and Employment Protection (Six Months’ Paid Leave) Amendment Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 25 June 2014. Volume:699;Page:18939. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]A party votewas called for on the questionThat clause 1 be agreed to.Ayes60New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Māori Party 3 Mana 1; United Future 1.Noes59New Zealand National 59.Clause 1 agreed to.The result corrected after originally being announced as Ayes 59 Noes 60.
Vote: Parental Leave and Employment Protection (Six Months’ Paid Leave) Amendment Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeVote: Parental Leave and Employment Protection (Six Months’ Paid Leave) Amendment Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 25 June 2014. Volume:699;Page:18938. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]A party votewas called for on the questionThat the question be now put.Ayes60New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Māori Party 3; Mana 1; Independent: Horan.Noes60New Zealand National 59; United Future 1.Motion not agreed to.
Vote: Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeVote: Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 25 June 2014. Volume:699;Page:18916. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]A party votewas called for on the questionThat the question be now put.Ayes60New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Māori Party 3; Mana 1; Independent: Horan.Noes60New Zealand National 59; United Future 1.Motion not agreed to.The result corrected after originally being announced as Ayes 59 Noes 60.
Vote: Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeVote: Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 25 June 2014. Volume:699;Page:18906. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]A party votewas called for on the questionThat the question be now put.Ayes60New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Māori Party 3; Mana 1; Independent: Horan.Noes60New Zealand National 59; United Future 1.Motion not agreed to.
Vote: Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeVote: Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 25 June 2014. Volume:699;Page:18905. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]A party votewas called for on the questionThat the question be now put.Ayes60New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Māori Party 3; Mana 1; Independent: Horan.Noes60New Zealand National 59; United Future 1.Motion not agreed to.
Robertson H V Ross: Parental Leave and Employment Protection (Six Months’ Paid Leave) Amendment Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeRobertson H V Ross: Parental Leave and Employment Protection (Six Months’ Paid Leave) Amendment Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 25 June 2014. Volume:699;Page:18940. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson): I am sorry to interrupt the honourable member. The time has come for me to report progress.Progress to be reported presently.House resumed.The Chairperson reported the Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill without amendment and progress on the Parental Leave and Employment Protection (Six Months’ Paid Leave) Amendment Bill.Report adopted.
Ngaro Alfred: Parental Leave and Employment Protection (Six Months’ Paid Leave) Amendment Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeNgaro Alfred: Parental Leave and Employment Protection (Six Months’ Paid Leave) Amendment Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 25 June 2014. Volume:699;Page:18939. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]ALFRED NGARO (National):I rise to take a call on the Parental Leave and Employment Protection (Six Months’ Paid Leave) Amendment Bill. Comments have been coming especially from Tracey Martin and others who have chosen to condemn both the National Party and also its members and they have been made in a way that really has been quite offensive to many of us because we have children we have been raised by our own parents and we have been in a situation where we know what it means to raise our children and to care for them. Yet that is what has been coming from the other side especially from Mrs Tracey Martin which I am a bit surprised about. The truth is that many of us absolutely care for children. We not only care for children; we care for parents who care for their children.My parents came here from the Cook Islands. They did not have much. My mother was a cleaner. My dad was a labourer. They worked hard often working two or three jobs. They did not have much. [Interruption] That is right; they were good parents Mrs Asenati Lole-Taylor. They were good parents like your parents I imagine. They were parents who came here with a dream and a belief that if they worked hard enough their children would survive. To turn round and say that we do not care what happens to our parents and what happens to parents who look after children is really offensive to us because we absolutely care in so many different ways about parents who look after children and about the children themselves. We know that that is absolutely important to us.I also want to acknowledge the fact that my colleague Chris Tremain talked about the Social Progress Index. This was measuring multiple dimensions of social progress. Really at the heart of this—The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson): Order! I am sorry to interrupt the honourable member. I have to advise the honourable members that the Ayes in the last vote were 60 and the Noes were 59. So the motion that clause 1 stand part is correct but I just want to correct the votes—60 for the Ayes and 59 for the Noes.ALFRED NGARO: As I was saying the fact is that as my colleague Chris Tremain raised the Social Progress Index 2014 with 132 different countries showed that New Zealand was not only caring—
Upston Louise: Parental Leave and Employment Protection (Six Months’ Paid Leave) Amendment Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeUpston Louise: Parental Leave and Employment Protection (Six Months’ Paid Leave) Amendment Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 25 June 2014. Volume:699;Page:18939. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]LOUISE UPSTON (Senior Whip—National):No I cast it in favour. I cast it in favour Mr Chair.
Robertson H V Ross: Parental Leave and Employment Protection (Six Months’ Paid Leave) Amendment Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeRobertson H V Ross: Parental Leave and Employment Protection (Six Months’ Paid Leave) Amendment Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 25 June 2014. Volume:699;Page:18939. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson): Just on the issue of voting I need clarification about United Future’s vote. I have it as a No.
Beaumont Carol: Parental Leave and Employment Protection (Six Months’ Paid Leave) Amendment Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeBeaumont Carol: Parental Leave and Employment Protection (Six Months’ Paid Leave) Amendment Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 25 June 2014. Volume:699;Page:18939. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]CAROL BEAUMONT (Labour):I move That the question be now put.Motion agreed to.A party vote was called for on the question that clause 1 be agreed to.
Bakshi Kanwaljit Singh: Parental Leave and Employment Protection (Six Months’ Paid Leave) Amendment Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeBakshi Kanwaljit Singh: Parental Leave and Employment Protection (Six Months’ Paid Leave) Amendment Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 25 June 2014. Volume:699;Page:18939. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]KANWALJIT SINGH BAKSHI (National):Ahn nyung ha se yo. Sat sri akaal. It is very important that we are debating the Parental Leave and Employment Protection (Six Months’ Paid Leave) Amendment Bill in this Committee. My colleagues have explained a lot of things. There is one point that is missing so far. No one has touched on it because these members were not on the Government Administration Committee. The point I want to touch on is that the Opposition members have time and again said that 99 percent of the people who submitted support the bill. But 1 percent were against it. Who were they? That 1 percent were business organisations that represent hundreds of businesses in New Zealand. They represent thousands of families who are members of those business organisations. They were opposing this bill because they can see that this bill is not viable in the present conditions. The global financial crisis has affected businesses. Before we decide such a measure as is proposed in the bill by Sue Moroney it is very important that businesses feel comfortable about paying that to their employees.It is not that this Government is not considerate about families. In the Budget we have many measures to help families which have been very well discussed by members in their speeches. With these words I conclude my contribution on clause 1 but I assure you that our Government is very focused on families.
Ardern Jacinda: Parental Leave and Employment Protection (Six Months’ Paid Leave) Amendment Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeArdern Jacinda: Parental Leave and Employment Protection (Six Months’ Paid Leave) Amendment Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 25 June 2014. Volume:699;Page:18938. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]JACINDA ARDERN (Labour):I move That the question be now put.
Beaumont Carol: Parental Leave and Employment Protection (Six Months’ Paid Leave) Amendment Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeBeaumont Carol: Parental Leave and Employment Protection (Six Months’ Paid Leave) Amendment Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 25 June 2014. Volume:699;Page:18936. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]CAROL BEAUMONT (Labour):I move That the question be now put.
Logie Jan: Parental Leave and Employment Protection (Six Months’ Paid Leave) Amendment Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeLogie Jan: Parental Leave and Employment Protection (Six Months’ Paid Leave) Amendment Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 25 June 2014. Volume:699;Page:18934. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]JAN LOGIE (Green):I am pleased to take a call for the Green Party in support of the Parental Leave and Employment Protection (Six Months’ Paid Leave) Amendment Bill in its Committee stage. I am going to keep my contribution quite short. I think the public does not really want to hear us debating economic visions Mr Sabin. For every example you can give I could give others of wastage. The truth is that the 3795 submitters who submitted in support of this bill submitted in the knowledge that this Government was talking about using a financial veto. Those people said that this bill is an economic priority. This is affordable and we want you to do it. They convinced us. They convinced the majority of this Parliament. The fact that this executive is looking at extending its power to override the legislature is really dodgy.Colin King: It’s called democracy.JAN LOGIE: It is not democracy as we standardly know it. This provision has not been used before and it is extending your powers much further than they belong. It is unbalancing our democracy. You are in power in a Government with parties that do not want you to do this. You are given power by this country in your collective votes and your collective votes do not support voting this down. This House supports this bill going through and for you to be opposing it when it is the will of the country to prioritise children and this piece of legislation is shameful.
Moroney Sue: Parental Leave and Employment Protection (Six Months’ Paid Leave) Amendment Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMoroney Sue: Parental Leave and Employment Protection (Six Months’ Paid Leave) Amendment Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 25 June 2014. Volume:699;Page:18933. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]SUE MORONEY (Labour):I seek leave to have the Parental Leave and Employment Protection (Six Months’ Paid Leave) Amendment Bill debated as one question.The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson): The member is perfectly entitled to do that. Is there any objection to that course of action being taken? There is.
Robertson H V Ross: Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeRobertson H V Ross: Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 25 June 2014. Volume:699;Page:18926. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson): I have heard only one speech. [Interruption] I have heard only one.
Moroney Sue: Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMoroney Sue: Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 25 June 2014. Volume:699;Page:18926. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]SUE MORONEY (Labour):I move That the question be now put.
Mackey Moana: Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMackey Moana: Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 25 June 2014. Volume:699;Page:18925. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]MOANA MACKEY (Labour):I move That the question be now put.Motion agreed to.Clause 3 agreed to.
Roy Eric: Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeRoy Eric: Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 25 June 2014. Volume:699;Page:18923. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy): So what that means is that the vote will be 60-60 and it takes an outright majority to win a vote. Leave is sought to correct the record of the Māori Party vote from two in favour to three in favour. Is there anyone opposed to that course of action? It appears not. Leave is granted.
Macindoe Tim: Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMacindoe Tim: Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 25 June 2014. Volume:699;Page:18923. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]TIM MACINDOE (Junior Whip—National):I apologise for jumping in before my colleagues but I seek leave to correct a vote that I cast on the procedural motion earlier.The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy): Leave is sought for that purpose. Is there anyone opposed to that?TIM MACINDOE: It appears that I cast a vote of 2 for the Māori Party; it should have been 3. I was not aware that I had said that. That was why I questioned the arithmetic and I do apologise to the Committee for my error.
Bennett David: Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeBennett David: Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 25 June 2014. Volume:699;Page:18918. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]DAVID BENNETT (National—Hamilton East):I would just like to congratulate Dr Cam Calder on his great work on the Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill as well. I felt I had to respond since he did go through what the Transport and Industrial Relations Committee had done when we had to go through clause 2 and the conjecture that there was around the commencement date—around the 28 days. Dr Cam Calder raised a number of issues there around how the committee approached that issue and why it came to the result that we have here in front of us tonight. It is simply that there was as he said a desire for him to see the commencement date being immediate. Although we appreciated his intention to make sure that there were no more incidents that could be attributed to these hand-held lasers we were also mindful of the fact that we had received advice from the police and others that we potentially needed to give a bit more time for them to get themselves in a position to be able to enforce the law and also to educate and inform members of the public about what the change in the law would be. So that is why 28 days was settled upon as the appropriate balance.We were actually asked in the committee to go for an even longer date than 28 days but we felt that it would accommodate Dr Cam Calder’s wishes more if we went for 28 days rather than say a 3-month period. That was something that could well have been the case for this bill.Simon O’Connor: What about 26 weeks?DAVID BENNETT: Well you can go for any number you want really. And just remember that numbers are important today because the Labour Party has put out its tax rates and they are all going up. It chose 36 as the number for all those good hard-working New Zealanders—The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy): Order! Come back to the bill.DAVID BENNETT: —who have to pay 36c in the dollar. Twenty-eight days is the one that was decided upon here today and that is why we are looking at clause 2 of this bill.Once again it is a very good bill in the name of Dr Cam Calder who has taken a great interest in making sure that it passes through this Committee. We look forward to its passage through the rest of the evening.Clause 2 agreed to.
Roy Eric: Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeRoy Eric: Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 25 June 2014. Volume:699;Page:18917. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy): I declared that the motion is not agreed to on the first cut. Did I—[Interruption] The key point was that I said the motion is not agreed to so we are not having the closure.
Macindoe Tim: Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMacindoe Tim: Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 25 June 2014. Volume:699;Page:18917. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]TIM MACINDOE (Junior Whip—National):I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson.The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy): Are we going to get into some new material?TIM MACINDOE: This is new material. I believe that you have just mistakenly declared the result of the vote and I think you have actually just cast the names and numbers the wrong way round.Hon Member: Yes.TIM MACINDOE: Even the Opposition is agreeing with that point.
Roy Eric: Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeRoy Eric: Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 25 June 2014. Volume:699;Page:18917. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy): Order! I have ruled on this. Let me reread the votes. Those who voted for the closure were 59 including Brendan Horan. Those who voted against were 60. So the motion is not agreed to. I have made that quite clear and we are going to gain nothing by casting aspersions. Members know the consequence of casting votes they do not have.
Woodhouse Michael: Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeWoodhouse Michael: Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 25 June 2014. Volume:699;Page:18917. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Hon MICHAEL WOODHOUSE (Minister of Immigration):I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I have just two quick points if I may. The issue of the procedural motion proxy would determine the outcome of the motion. The second thing is I do not think the Government whip was intending to cast aspersions on—The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy): Yes I know.Hon MICHAEL WOODHOUSE: —the Opposition whip. I do think it is important for her sake though to clarify the difference between a proxy on a procedural matter which is—
Roy Eric: Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeRoy Eric: Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 25 June 2014. Volume:699;Page:18917. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy): All members in this House are honourable members and I think we are getting into dangerous ground when we start challenging the right. Members who cast a vote know what the consequences are if they mislead the House. In any consideration a change in that particular vote is not going to change the outcome of this particular—[Interruption] It still is not going to change the outcome. The member can ring up the whip on the other side.
Macindoe Tim: Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMacindoe Tim: Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 25 June 2014. Volume:699;Page:18917. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]TIM MACINDOE (Junior Whip—National):I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I am not wishing in any way to doubt what has been expressed by the Opposition whip but it was my understanding that Mr Horan was not casting a vote on this matter. Can she assure the Committee that she has received a proxy for—[Interruption] Sorry could I just complete my point. Can she assure the Committee that she has received a proxy on a procedural motion?
Beaumont Carol: Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeBeaumont Carol: Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 25 June 2014. Volume:699;Page:18916. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]CAROL BEAUMONT (Labour):I move That the question be now put.
Roy Eric: Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeRoy Eric: Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 25 June 2014. Volume:699;Page:18914. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy): I call Simon O’Connor.Hon Member: Oh this will be good.
Dyson Ruth: Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeDyson Ruth: Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 25 June 2014. Volume:699;Page:18913. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Hon RUTH DYSON (Labour—Port Hills):I move That the question be now put.
Auchinvole Chris: Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeAuchinvole Chris: Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 25 June 2014. Volume:699;Page:18906. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]CHRIS AUCHINVOLE (National):Basically I have one point to make concentrating very much on the title of the Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill as you have made it very plain we must do so and that is all I want to do so I might not even take the full time.But if we have a look at the title—I have had a careful look at it—there are I think 15 words in it although one of them is hyphenated so I do not know whether a hyphenated word is one word or two words. But of the 15 most of them make sense. Most of them follow and we have heard the reasons for the change and everything else. So I take it and really it is a question for the author of the bill that it is agreed to change the title of the bill and it was unanimously agreed to “high-power laser pointers” from “hand-held lasers” as the Minister for the Environment the Hon Amy Adams has just been speaking about. The thing we did not change though and this is my question to the author—it might be a technical point but we still have it described in clause 1 as “Amendment Act 2012”. Is it to remain like that or is that a change we should make at this stage? Because it was not an Act in 2012 at all. We have passed 2012; we are into 2014.I had hoped that Mr Twyford might spot this because you know when we were in Opposition it was sort of our part of the contribution to get things absolutely right. But no—complete disregard for correctness other than in pronunciation where he makes a fuss. So I could say that as far as the title is concerned I was disappointed in the lack of diligence on the part of the Opposition. I am glad to have noticed it myself. I think every member on this side is aware of it. So it is something that we would invite the author of the bill Dr Cam Calder who we all agree has done a really good job on this particular one to address and to give us some form of reassurance and technical explanation. To make sure that there is time for that I think I will just make that particular point in the hope that the bill’s author will be able to guide us appropriately. Thank you.Clause 1 agreed to.
Twyford Phil: Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeTwyford Phil: Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 25 June 2014. Volume:699;Page:18906. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]PHIL TWYFORD (Labour—Te Atatū):I move That the question be now put.
Tisch Lindsay: Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeTisch Lindsay: Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 25 June 2014. Volume:699;Page:18905. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch): The debate on clause 1 will continue but I want to make it very clear—or I will terminate speeches in future—that when we are on the clauses we will stick to the clauses or I will terminate the speaker’s call. [Interruption] I am still on my feet.Hon Amy Adams: It’s hard to tell.The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch): Well I am standing. The other thing is that with closure motions a member can move more than one closure motion. They can but that is treated as a call. They cannot take more than four calls in a debate. So the member from the Labour Party who moved the closure motion was quite proper and that is why I accepted the closure motion.
Tisch Lindsay: Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeTisch Lindsay: Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 25 June 2014. Volume:699;Page:18904. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch): The question is that the question be now put—David Bennett: I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. The member has moved that the question be now put but that member has already done that previously in this debate.The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch): No that is not a point of order. The question is that the question be now put—Hon Maurice Williamson: She did the closure already.The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch): She can move a closure motion—Mike Sabin: But she has already done it.The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch): I know and she can do it again.
Beaumont Carol: Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeBeaumont Carol: Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 25 June 2014. Volume:699;Page:18904. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]CAROL BEAUMONT (Labour):I move That the question be now put.
Beaumont Carol: Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeBeaumont Carol: Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 25 June 2014. Volume:699;Page:18901. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]CAROL BEAUMONT (Labour):I move That the question be now put.
Clendon David: Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeClendon David: Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 25 June 2014. Volume:699;Page:18900. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]DAVID CLENDON (Green):I am pleased to take a short call on this stage of the Summary Offences (Possession of High-power Laser Pointers) Amendment Bill. May I begin by just congratulating Dr Calder on his success in bringing the bill thus far. I would hope sincerely that his colleagues do not delay matters to an extent that he is unable to see this bill through all stages before his unfortunate departure from this House in a few weeks’ time.This bill came to the Transport and Industrial Relations Committee in an imperfect condition. As I said at the earlier reading the select committee did its job well. It made the necessary amendments. In its original form this bill was inadequate for the task. It has been much improved. Given the improvements that have been made we are now able graciously to support this bill through further readings. Thank you.