Gosche Mark: Immigration Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
Gosche Mark: Immigration Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
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Hon MARK GOSCHE (NZ Labour—Maungakiekie) 
: 
 I know it would be normal at this point for me to make a very short contribution but I will not do that. In my 7 years in this House I have heard some speeches expressed in terms that I have found difficult to comprehend. The speech we heard today from Winston Peters—and I would not dare to use the words “right honourable” because they do not belong next to those two words—was the most despicable most terrible speech— 
Rt Hon Winston Peters 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. That little traitor might not deserve the words but I do and I have worked for them. So he will use them or he will be out of this House. That is my point of order. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Clem Simich) 
: The point of order is correctly raised. What the speaker said could be taken as a reflection on Mr Peters. I was going to say earlier on that frivolous points of order will not be raised. In the case of Paul Adams of course he invited it. We have had a very robust debate this afternoon and I encourage that. It is meant to be interactive. Almost without exception speakers have been provocative but so far I think the debate is going pretty well. 
Hon MARK GOSCHE 
: I will come back to the member for Tauranga’s speech in few moments. 
Firstly I want to do something that also is quite rare and that is agree with some of the points made by the Hon Richard Prebble. Richard Prebble asked Government members to defend this bill and I would like to say to him that the viability of this bill will be proven in the next year—not by speeches made in this House. I also say to him—as he would have experienced when meeting constituents who have come to this country over the last 10 or 12 years—that it has been extraordinarily difficult for those people to settle in this country and participate in the work they have been trained for and expect to be able to carry out when they come here. It is a terrible shame that a great many of those people have the skills the training the education and the will to work for the benefit of New Zealand but are not able to. If it is a matter of dealing with our immigration law to try to stop that happening again in the future then that is why this bill should be supported. Yes it has to be tested to see whether it will work but I believe it is a better piece of legislation and a better system than that which we are trying to deal with as a Government at the moment. 
Like Mr Prebble I have also spent a lot of time in the public health system this last 15 to 16 months though not as a patient. In the last couple of weeks for instance I saw a lot of people of all races who were patients in Auckland Hospital. An awful lot of the staff of that hospital have been educated and trained overseas and have worked overseas and are now giving their efforts to keep New Zealanders healthy to help New Zealanders who are ill and to help people who need their assistance. 
 In the one ward that my wife was in I probably saw two New Zealand - trained nurses in the entire 7 days. There were others there but in terms of who looked after her there were two New Zealand - trained nurses. All of the rest were overseas trained—the people Winston Peters says should not be here the people the honourable member for Tauranga says should not be in this country the people the Hon Winston Peters says should be sent back. 
I invite the member for Tauranga to read his  
Hansard 
 and then give me a copy of it signed saying that he would be proud to have that speech put into every letterbox of every New Zealander in this country. I invite every member of New Zealand First to also sign that speech saying they agree with every single thing that that member said in his speech. [ 
Interruption 
] 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Clem Simich) 
: If the Rt Hon Winston Peters could desist from a barrage of interjections please. 
Hon MARK GOSCHE 
: We had to sit and listen to the vitriol the hatred of the honourable member for Tauranga. We had to sit and listen in silence to the most despicable speech I have heard in my time in this Parliament. [ 
Interruption 
] It was filth it was disgusting and it should be printed by every newspaper. 
Hon Richard Prebble 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. The interjection made by Mr Peters now is right out of order. He called out a number of times “I am not a traitor …” which is probably out of order because it is an innuendo implying that the member speaking is a traitor. He then made it clear that he was not a traitor but that the member was. That is quite out of order and Mr Peters should be asked to withdraw and apologise. As the speaker has pointed out I do not think he interjected on Mr Peters’ speech once. Mr Peters is being very unparliamentary. He is clearly trying to break up a speech he does not agree with. 
Rt Hon Winston Peters 
: Lianne Dalziel barracked for the whole 10 minutes of my speech. Everybody understood it and everybody knew it. I never protested of course. In respect of seeking sanctuary under your ruling I did not say a word about it but that member has and then he thinks he can carry on with that sort of tirade and get away with it—having received your ruling that I may not make an interjection. If he wants me to keep silent—this is a convention—then he had better stop trying to be provocative himself otherwise he will get it all back in his face. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Clem Simich) 
: I thank both members. 
Hon Richard Prebble 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. Mr Peters does not understand. [ 
Interruption 
] If he does then his statement does not indicate that. The member may not suggest that other honourable members are traitors and clearly that is what he was doing. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Clem Simich) 
: Sorry what was the word the member used? 
Hon Richard Prebble 
: “Traitor”. He was calling out “I am not a traitor …” then he told the member who is speaking that he was a traitor. That has to be out of order. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Clem Simich) 
: Yes. That word is not acceptable in the House. Whether it is acceptable to the person it was aimed at or not it is not acceptable in the House. I did not hear it because Mr Peters speaks away from the microphone and away from the Chair. But if he did use that word in relation to any members in the House I would ask him to withdraw it. 
Rt Hon Winston Peters 
: I withdraw and apologise. I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I said I was not a traitor and he provoked me into saying that he was. I apologise for that. 
Hon MARK GOSCHE 
: If I could continue with my speech I am not interested in the interjections of the member for Tauranga. If I am labelled a traitor—as I have been about four times by him—a traitor to his cause and his beliefs then I plead guilty. There is no way that I will have anything to do with the beliefs of people like Mr Peters. Throughout the world I have seen that sort of vitriol and that sort of politics leads to people parading around in countries like the USA covered in white burning crosses and lynching people. That is the nature of the politics we are dealing with in a speech like that. That is the nature of the politics that New Zealand First members sign up to by following a leader like the Rt Hon Winston Peters. 
I will go back to the hospital that I have spent some time in. 
Hon Richard Prebble 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. Even though Mr Peters might be prepared to accept that I am not. No the member may not suggest that Mr Peters and his fellow MPs are members of the Ku Klux Klan. [ 
Interruption 
] He most certainly has done so. I take his final remarks as suggesting that. [ 
Interruption 
] Well the member might not but I do. I think the member should be asked to withdraw and apologise. Any suggestion that New Zealand First or its voters are members of the Ku Klux Klan—