Nash StuartHon STUART NASH (Minister of Police): Thank you very much Madam Chair. This bill is a start. It's not where I would've liked to have seen things go but it is a start. I grew up actually—you come home from school you drink a pint of milk you have a sandwich with Eta peanut butter on it and you go out and play. Eta peanut butter right? Made in New Zealand isn't it—isn't it? Eta peanut butter is made in China. Who knew it was made in China—a staple brand of New Zealand is made in China. Sanitarium peanut butter—where's that made?Kieran McAnulty: That's New Zealand surely.Hon STUART NASH: No—well it could be made in the Chinese factory or it could be made in the Australian factory. Sanitarium—isn't that a great New Zealand brand? No it isn't.Hon Phil Twyford: What about Pic's?Hon STUART NASH: Pic's is made in New Zealand. Now how do we know that? Because it has got Made in New Zealand" on it. If it's not made in New Zealand often it doesn't have "Made in New Zealand" because we make an assumption. Now the assumption's often wrong—the assumption is often wrong—and this is what our global brand stands for. This is what we go to the market with: a brand that has strength that has efficacy and that is worth a hell of a lot of money and yet in our own country—in our own country—until now we have not required brands to say where they're coming from and I think that is really bad. I think it's a little—I won't say dishonest; I think it's disingenuous because I think there are a number of foodstuffs that have purported to be from New Zealand that have led us to believe they're from New Zealand so we purchase them and then we find out that Eta peanut butter is made in China that Sanitarium peanut butter is made in China. We go "Goodness me! Why didn't I know this?" Why didn't we know this? Well the reason we didn't know it is because it's not mandatory to have that labelling on that jar of peanut butter.But with this bill I don't actually see that that is going to change and that really concerns me. It says here—and I quote—"The regulated food must include food that … is no more than minimally processed". Why have we stopped at "no more than minimally processed" and what does "minimally processed" mean? Does it mean that fish—filleted you've got to have it on but if it's battered or crumbed you don't have to have the country labelling on? We should've gone a lot further. My understanding is Steffan wanted to go a lot further than this but in fact the National Opposition in the Primary Production Committee blocked taking this bill a whole lot further. We need to be a lot further for two reasons—first of all Brand New Zealand. I buy stuff because it's from New Zealand because I want to support New Zealand industry. If I'm buying stuff thinking it's from New Zealand if I buy fish—it's fresh; sure it's from New Zealand—and then I find out it's from Indonesia or somewhere else I don't think that is honest. I think in all our supermarkets in all our retail stores wherever we buy fresh fish fresh food or frozen or wherever it should be mandatory all the way down the chain.When it says here that the Minister can actually have an exception to this if it is unduly onerous what does that mean? What does "unduly onerous" mean? I would've thought that you know if it's an apple you put a little "Made in New Zealand" sign on it—or from China or California or Australia or wherever. Let's be honest. Let's allow the consumers to make the choices about where the food they are eating is coming from. If you want to buy only New Zealand made then at least give us the option to do that. If you want to buy peanut butter from China fine—no one's stopping you buying peanut butter from China—but at least tell Kiwis where that peanut butter is from and don't let them believe it is from New Zealand.Angie Warren-Clark: What about Marmite?Hon STUART NASH: Well Marmite is made in New Zealand actually. Vegemite's made in Australia; everyone knows that. But the thing is let's be honest about our food and let's not just stop at food that is minimally processed because that does not let consumers make the full choice when they are filling their trolley on their weekly or daily or whenever shopping excursion.Take it all the way forward. Make sure we label food that is processed from China or India or America or Australia. Let's just be honest about this. There's one thing I will say and that is that I think as consumers become more educated more engaged they want to know where their food is coming from. They want to know that it is from a country that believes in the ethical raising of animals. They want to know that the food is not processed by countries using child labour. Label all food with country of origin."