Simpson Scott; Dean JacquiHon SCOTT SIMPSON (National—Coromandel): For the benefit of the last speaker it's not a bill. It is the endorsement of this House on the budgets as set out by the Minister. But let's not get into the lack of detail from the previous speaker. I want to re-emphasise the comments made by the National Party deputy leader earlier in this debate. The National Party supports these budgets. We support the process. We support the framework as we have done for many years now. The history is important because those on the other side sometimes choose to forget it. But it is important because New Zealanders need to have the certainty and the understanding that notwithstanding the multiple changes of Government that will occur in the years to come the decades to come towards 2050 the direction of climate action and net emissions reduction is set. New Zealanders need to know that because that gives them certainty in the decision making that they undertake in their day-to-day lives in their businesses and in their communities. That certainty is important.National is committed to the objective of net zero by 2050. We are committed to the zero carbon legislation the framework and the independence of the commission that advises the Government of the day and it's that advice that we are effectively debating today because the budgets that have been accepted and promulgated by the Government this week are actually very close to those that were recommended by the independent commission. But as the deputy leader of the National Party Nicola Willis said in her address in this debate notwithstanding that we support the process and the pathway we absolutely reserve the right as it is right and proper to in a functioning democracy to argue the detail—to argue the detail. Because not all emissions actions and policies are equal or the same. They have a variety of costs and impacts on people's lives on their businesses and on their communities. Some will differ. Some will be more effective than others. Some will cost more than others. Some will have more impact than others. Some will potentially bend the curve faster than others some slower. But it's the right of parliamentarians in this Parliament and future Parliaments to debate the detail. In fact it would be wrong—it would be utterly wrong—for any Parliament to merely accept without question without debate without critique the policies and initiatives and the levers and buttons that any Government chooses to use on this journey we are taking as a nation to decarbonise our economy over the next several decades. It's a big job. It's a big mission. So Nicola Willis has set out the framework in her speech about the assessments that we will be making as an Opposition of the emissions plan that the Minister will release on Monday next. That's likely to be a long list. We don't have the benefit of knowing what's on his list but I'm suspecting it will be quite a long list. It would be wrong for aspects of that reduction plan to be nothing more than party political pet projects. If there are party political pet projects in that list that are questionable in terms of their cost their effectiveness or their emissions reduction reality then we'll call those out and that's right and proper for us to do so. On this side of the House we'll be looking for initiatives in that reduction plan next week that actually bend the curve fast that are able to move us at a pace which is going to get us to where we want to be by 2050.I implore the Government and the Minister to consider the comments that Nicola Willis made particularly in relation to involving the private sector. There are terrific opportunities for a business and entrepreneurial sector within our economy who are dying to be involved. In fact overseas experience tells us actually that in similar jurisdictions like the UK—where we largely did a cut and paste of their legislative and regulatory framework—actually it wasn't the politicians who were leading the action. It wasn't the politicians who were leading the debate in so many of the initiatives that were being taken. It was business and it has been business. In the UK they've actually been able to adopt more aggressive reduction budgets thanks to the benefit of business and the business community getting on board. So here's an invitation to the Government: don't discount the opportunities that the business community provides.ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Jacqui Dean): The Hon Marama Davidson—five minutes.