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Blue Jackie: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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11. 
Dr JACKIE BLUE (National) 
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Minister of Health 
: What is the Government doing to promote awareness and support those with hepatitis C? 
Hon JO GOODHEW (Acting Minister of Health) 
: 
 The Government is investing $5.2 million in a new scheme to assess and support people with hepatitis C in the Bay of Plenty and in Wellington. This is yet another preventative health initiative. The scheme will help support the 50000 New Zealanders who have hepatitis C. It will comprise community-based assessment and support to address what is a major health burden. It has received wide support from the health service and will be run in association with the New Zealand Hepatitis Foundation. 
Dr Jackie Blue 
: How will the scheme work? 
Hon JO GOODHEW 
: The Capital and Coast District Health Board the Hutt Valley District Health Board and the Wairarapa District Health Board will employ hepatitis C nurses in community clinics who will use a liver ultrasound to check for signs of hepatitis C. Nurses will be able to refer those who require it for further treatment or assessment. The scheme will be evaluated in 2014 and it is intended that a national programme will be rolled out between 2015 and 2020.
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Mr SPEAKER 
: Order! [ 
Interruption 
] Order! That kind of interjection is unacceptable.
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Dr RUSSEL NORMAN (Co-Leader—Green) 
: 
 My question is to the Minister for Tertiary Education Skills and Employment and asks: was the Prime Minister—[ 
Interruption 
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Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought for that course of action. Is there any objection? There is objection.
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Dr RUSSEL NORMAN (Co-Leader—Green) 
: 
 This question was lodged to the Prime Minister and I seek the leave of the House to have it transferred back to the Prime Minister.
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5. 
JONATHAN YOUNG (National—New Plymouth) 
 to the  
Minister of Energy and Resources 
: What recent announcement has been made about Block Offer 2013? 
Hon PHIL HEATLEY (Minister of Energy and Resources) 
: 
 The Government’s annual block offer process is an important part of developing our natural resources and that is why I welcomed the announcement last week from the Ministry of Business Innovation and Employment that it has released for consultation with relevant iwi and councils the proposed areas for onshore and offshoreoil and gas exploration as part of Block Offer 2013. Feedback received will inform final decisions about the make-up of the block offer. The tender is planned to commence in April next year. Furthermore I hope to be in a position to award exploration permits to successful bidders for the 2012 block offer in December. 
Jonathan Young 
: Has the Minister seen any reports on the value of the oil and gas sector to the local and national economy? 
Hon PHIL HEATLEY 
: Yes I have a seen a number. One report from the ministry shows that the country is set to earn more than $3 billion in royalties from oil and gas fields already in production. If exploration increases as we hope it will or working soit will $12.7 billion to New Zealand could be the collection. That is a lot of money for schools and hospitals and roads. I have also seen further reports of how the oil and gas industry currently supports about 7700 indirect and direct jobs. It is clear that the oil and gas sector is a very important part of our economy. It has worked well alongside dairy farming and tourism in Taranaki. We believe it can expand to other regions and that would be a good thing. 
Mike Sabin 
: What reports has he seen on the response to the release of the Block Offer 2013 consultation? 
Hon PHIL HEATLEY 
: I have seen a number of reports. I was delighted to see the support from the other side of the House actually on this important initiative and I welcome the comments by the Hon Shane Jones. Mr Jones recently reported: “Let the information be uncovered first. It may be that the area is commercially barren not unlike the minds conceiving that Green [Party] rhetoric.” and “Let these decisions be made in a rational fashion not this kneejerk emotionalism that … comes … from the Green Party.” This Government is committed to oil and gas exploration and we thank Shane Jones for that support.
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Legislation Bill 
In Committee 
Debate resumed from 6 November. 
Part 3 Subordinate legislation: Disallowable instruments and incorporation of material by reference ( 
continued 
)  
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 127 in the name of the Hon Christopher Finlayson to clause 48 be agreed to. 
Amendment agreed to. 
Part 3 as amended agreed to. 
Part 4 Parliamentary Counsel Office 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 127 in the name of the Hon Christopher Finlayson to Part 4 be agreed to. 
Amendments agreed to. 
Part 4 as amended agreed to. 
Schedule 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Christopher Finlayson to the proposed amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 127 in his name to the schedule be agreed to: 
in the item relating to the Telecommunications Act 2001 replace “69N” with “69N(6)”. 
Amendment to the amendment agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendments as amended set out on Supplementary Order Paper 127 in the name of the Hon Christopher Finlayson to the schedule and the following amendment in his name to the schedule be agreed to: 
in the item relating to new section 76D of the Customs and Excise Act 1996 replace “1 July 2011” with “the date on which section 72(2) of the Legislation Act 2012 comes into force”. 
Amendments as amended and amendment agreed to. 
Schedule as amended agreed to. 
Clauses 1 and 2 
Dr DAVID CLARK (Labour—Dunedin North) 
: 
 It is important that Labour does speak on this final part of the Committee stage because we want to put on record our support for the Legislation Bill and also the fact that there has been a significant amount of work that has gone into this bill to make sure that although it is a technical and some would say— 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: I am sorry to interrupt the honourable member. The time has come for me to report progress. 
House resumed. 
The Chairperson reported the Lawyers and Conveyancers Amendment Bill with amendment the Electronic Identity Verification Bill with amendment the Identity Information Confirmation Bill without amendment and progress on the Legislation Bill. 
Report adopted.
Smith Lockwood: Urgent Debates Declined — Kyoto Protocol Second Commitment Period—Withdrawal 
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Mr SPEAKER 
: I think the matter has been raised and it is genuinely raised. I think it is a fair point and I just want to give the member an assurance that I—I have not checked it out and I will do so because I think the member raises an important point.
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Hon AMY ADAMS (Minister for the Environment) 
: 
 I am going to take just a brief call on Part 3 of the Electronic Identify Verification Bill to address the points raised by the New Zealand First member Denis O’Rourke in his last contribution. Mr O’Rourke expressed some concern that there was no provision making it an offence to attempt to carry out those particular actions listed in clauses 56 58 and others. I just wanted to reassure the member that the reason there is not a specific provision making it an offence to attempt those actions is that it is an offence under section 72(1) of the Crimes Act and the way legislation is drafted is that we have it in the Crimes Act rather than repeating it in every piece of legislation. That is a fairly standard approach to drafting. The point was considered and I can assure him that it is in fact an offence to attempt to carry out any of those activities that he talked about. 
The other point that I thought I would just briefly address is his concern around increasing the penalties and just assure him that the reason the penalties sit where they are is to ensure that they are at an appropriate alignment with similar offences in other legislation. As he will understand that is a core part of good drafting. In this case they have been lined up with a number of similar offences such as for example the use of electoral information for a commercial purpose under the Electoral Act. In order to maintain proportionality with similar related offences they have been set at that level. I hope that clears that up for the member.
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Dr DAVID CLARK (Labour—Dunedin North) 
: 
 It is important that Labour does speak on this final part of the Committee stage because we want to put on record our support for the Legislation Bill and also the fact that there has been a significant amount of work that has gone into this bill to make sure that although it is a technical and some would say— 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: I am sorry to interrupt the honourable member. The time has come for me to report progress. 
House resumed. 
The Chairperson reported the Lawyers and Conveyancers Amendment Bill with amendment the Electronic Identity Verification Bill with amendment the Identity Information Confirmation Bill without amendment and progress on the Legislation Bill. 
Report adopted.
Vote: Advanced Technology Institute Bill — Second Reading 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Advanced Technology Institute Bill be now read a second time. 
Ayes 101 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 30; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 15 
Green Party 14; Mana 1. 
Bill read a second time.
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SCOTT SIMPSON (National—Coromandel) 
: 
 It is a pleasure to rise in support of the second reading of this Advanced Technology Institute Bill. I would like to join with previous speakers in acknowledging how appropriate it is that the institute will be named after the late Sir Paul Callaghan. I think that naming the institute after such a distinguished New Zealander gives weight to the very appropriate benefits that the institute will provide for us as a nation. It is all about good ideas good initiatives and good inventions being collaborated with research and put together to get good products to market faster so that we can grow our economy and so that the real benefits for New Zealand will be constructively turned into something positive tangible and real. 
I too would like to acknowledge the good work of the Education and Science Committee. Under the very capable chairmanship of Nikki Kaye I thought the select committee worked diligently and promptly through a tight time frame. I want to particularly acknowledge the contribution of the previous New Zealand First speaker Tracey Martin. As she rightly said her party started off opposing this legislation but because of the collaborative approach and the sensible intelligent and dignified way that the committee conducted its affairs we were able to come to I think a very workable conclusion. So I think for me this process has helped demonstrate the very effective nature of the entire select committee process even when working under tight time constraints. I want to acknowledge that. 
There were a number of very good submissions. In fact the committee received 23 excellent submissions I thought. Seven submitters appeared before the committee and gave oral presentations. The vast majority of those were in favour of the bill. I think that when we heard the submissions we were able to get a real insight into the potential that exists in the marketplace for this collaboration of ideas wit and imagination when put together with research and the potential for great things that can come when those two are put together and come out at the other end of the exercise producing not just widgets but eels possibly whitebait and a whole range of other things. I am looking forward to the whitebait-tasting sessions. I am a person who has come from a business background. I now find myself as an MP finding as I trip around the very beautiful Coromandel electorate that not only do we have a wonderful environment but we have these remarkably innovative people who have terrifically good ideas. 
I think that the Advanced Technology Institute set-up and establishment will provide a terrific opportunity for those people to work with some really smart research development people and bring together terrific ideas. So I commend this bill to the House. I am looking forward to the Committee stage and to progressing it to its final conclusion.
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Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. Is it appropriate for the member to refer to “you” in that way? 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: We have ruled on that several times. The debate has now concluded.
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COLIN KING (National—Kaikoura) 
: 
 It is a pleasure to take a call in the second reading of the Advanced Technology Institute Bill. In doing so I just want to cover off a couple of issues that other members have raised in their speeches. Effectively of interest is the submission from Business New Zealand where it quoted that it firmly advocates that the Advanced Technology Institute needs to have operational research and development capability in order to have credibility and skin in the game. That is a very relevant comment because when we look at it what the Advanced Technology Institute will be is a business-led market-focused research institute and it needs to be successful. 
There has always been a gap in the market and we have known for a long time that we do need a business-focused research institute. When you look at the genesis of this bill it came not only from a Government agenda of innovation and economic growth. One has only to research the situation the genesis came from and also the empowering innovation conference. One has only to read that document to understand how in sync with business this Government is. I just have to make that point because there is a history of a gap in the market and the Advanced Technology Institute is designed to fix this. 
There were those comments that were raised on the other side of the House of a lack of accountability. For goodness’ sake inside this bill it prescribes how that transparency will be brought to this House. The Auditor-General will annually audit the process. It will be very transparent. 
With regard to the argument from the other side of the House about the confusion and confliction between the funder/provider split this is part of the efficiency that we also saw when we brought together the New Zealand Transport Agency which was something Labour did. Some of the arguments that we are hearing are about a trip back to the 19th century. This is a bill that has its day in the 21st century. I have great pleasure in supporting the bill.
Upston Louise: Climate Change Response (Emissions Trading and Other Matters) Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
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LOUISE UPSTON (National—Taupo) 
: 
 I am proud to rise as the final speaker in this third reading of the Climate Change Response (Emissions Trading and Other Matters) Amendment Bill. It has been very clear from the National speakers in this debate that we are 100 percent committed to a clean green future. Unlike the previous Green speaker Gareth Hughes I can say that—having witnessed it in the Taupo electorate—the emissions trading scheme is actually driving investment in renewable energy. It is driving investment in energy efficiency. 
Hon David Cunliffe 
: It was—it was. 
LOUISE UPSTON 
: It is driving investment in tree-planting and that is providing jobs in the Taupo electorate which I think is important. Thank you.
Tisch Lindsay: Climate Change Response (Emissions Trading and Other Matters) Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
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The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch) 
: I understand that this is a split call. The Hon David Cunliffe—5 minutes.
Bennett David: Climate Change Response (Emissions Trading and Other Matters) Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
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DAVID BENNETT (National—Hamilton East) 
:  
The Climate Change Response (Emissions Trading and Other Matters) Amendment Bill which we are talking about today is in its final reading in this House. I think there are a couple of things that people listening should be aware of. The first is that the Labour Party and the Green Party want to bring agriculture into the emissions trading scheme. They oppose this bill for the reason that agriculture is not being brought in at this time. So they would attack our biggest export-earning industry with a carbon charge. This would be the only country in the world that would be attacking that industry with a carbon charge. And they would be doing it in a way that is going to at the same time create a growing economy! Go figure how that is going to work. That is the Labour-Green economic model which is rubbish. It is total rubbish. 
Those members come into this House high and mighty like some kind of false prophets that have had some ability sent to them to come and tell us that they are here to deliver the world from evil and failure and that. The real world is one where you have to pay your way. The Green members sit there enjoying this place flying on planes all around the country and travelling in cars all around the country not doing their bit. If they believe that New Zealand needs to do our bit why do they not do their bit? But no they want to have a first-class standard of living and they want somebody else to pay for it. They want to be able to turn their eyes away from it and say: “It never happened under my watch. I was perfect. I was innocent. I was cleaner than white.” Well look in the mirror and see what you actually do and look at the truth in your life. 
The Green Party and the Labour Party have a second fundamental thing that they want to do and that is that they want to set a carbon price. When they set that carbon price at $10—because that is the next stage of their argument: it is not just to deny agriculture; it is to set a carbon price—that will then lead to higher costs on New Zealand consumers. The very people those members purport to look after will be paying through the nose for their policies and that is not in the best interests for New Zealand going forward.
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The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: No the member will be seated. I have asked members to restrain themselves. There were continual interjections. Under Speaker’s ruling 60/5 interjections are to be “rare and reasonable”—rare and reasonable. I have no problems with a robust debate. I think that is good for Parliament but interjections are to be rare and reasonable. What we have on the cross benches because people are in close proximity is actually interference with the microphone. Had the interjections been done from here—a different matter. I ask members just to understand that.
Williamson Maurice: Climate Change Response (Emissions Trading and Other Matters) Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
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Hon MAURICE WILLIAMSON (Minister for Building and Construction) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I wish to take issue with you. When a member gets up and accuses members of our side lays a charge of ecocide and you are asking us to sit here and tolerate that I find that offensive—
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The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Just before I call the next member can I advise members that I did not want to interrupt Dr Graham because I felt that he was making a very passionate speech about something he believes in very sincerely but I wish to advise members that there are 409 Standing Orders that grant us good grace and good order and it is an opportunity in this House for all members to make a commanding contribution. I would urge all members to play the ball and not the member. Remember that and we will preserve an excellent field for the full play of ideas. Thank you.
Vote: Climate Change Response (Emissions Trading and Other Matters) Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Climate Change Response (Emissions Trading and Other Matters) Amendment Bill be now read a third time. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 58 
New Zealand Labour 32; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 3; Mana 1. 
Bill read a third time.
Roy Eric: Advanced Technology Institute Bill — Second Reading 
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Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Dr David Clark—a 10-minute call.
Smith Lockwood: Urgent Debates Declined — Unemployment—Current Rate 
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Mr SPEAKER 
: Honourable members I have received a letter from Jacinda Ardern seeking to debate under Standing Order 386 the failure of the Government to tackle rising unemployment as evidenced by this morning’s household labour force survey results which show unemployment surging to 7.3 percent. The urgent debate procedure is a means of debating matters that have occurred and of holding the Government accountable for its actions. The member in her application has not identified an action on the part of the Government that constitutes a particular case of recent occurrence. [ 
Interruption 
] Order! The accumulation of information with regard to an issue is not of itself sufficient. For there to be a particular case of recent occurrence there must be either a new situation of importance or a new development in an existing situation of sufficient importance in itself to warrant a debate being held. A proposal to discuss a continuing problem such as unemployment is not one contemplated by Standing Order 386. The application is therefore declined.
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12. 
TRACEY MARTIN (NZ First) 
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Minister of Education 
: Is she satisfied with the way schools are funded? 
Hon CRAIG FOSS (Associate Minister of Education) 
 on behalf of the Minister of Education: Yes. The National Government has invested $9.6 billion into Vote Education this year—the highest amount ever—but of course there is always room for improvement. 
Tracey Martin 
: Can the Minister assure the public that all New Zealand schools will be funded on a fair and equitable basis and that the $3.8 million in State support received by Wanganui Collegiate School is consistent with this policy; if not why not? 
Hon CRAIG FOSS 
: Yes. 
Tracey Martin 
: Will the iconic status for funding as bestowed by the Minister in her press release of 2 November on Wanganui Collegiate School due to its age also apply to Duvauchelle School which was established 152 years ago Burnham School which was established 125 years ago and other similar schools cited for closure in Christchurch; if not why not? 
Hon CRAIG FOSS 
: The primary question does not go down to any specifics. Those specifics will actually have to be addressed in writing. I am sure the Minister will answer those when she can. 
Tracey Martin 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I am sorry perhaps you could assist me. The original question—the primary question—asked whether the Minister was satisfied with the way schools are funded. I am asking whether the iconic status for funding which the Minister addressed in a National Party press release— 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Order! The member though asked about three specific schools in relation to that. One was Duvauchelle. Forgive me but I cannot recollect the other two. The Minister indicated in his answer that he does not have the detailed information on those schools. That is not unreasonable given the breadth of the primary question.
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10. 
SHANE ARDERN (National—Taranaki - King Country) 
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Minister of Health 
: What progress is the Government making on improving the regulation of natural health products? 
Hon TONY RYALL (Minister of Health) 
: 
 The Natural Health and Supplementary Products Bill will regulate natural health products in New Zealand. It has been reported back with the support of all parties on the Health Committee. As part of its memorandum of understanding agreement with the Green Party the Government has agreed to involve the Green Party at every stage in the development of these regulations and I would like to acknowledge our work with it to date. I would also like to congratulate the Health Committee and also the Labour Party and the New Zealand First Party on their hard work on the bill which has struck a fair balance between sensible regulation and protection for consumers. 
Shane Ardern 
: How will the bill protect consumers of natural health products? 
Hon TONY RYALL 
: The Natural Health and Supplementary Products Bill will provide for low-cost low-bureaucracy regulation which will give the public greater confidence about the safety and integrity of natural health products. It will ensure greater transparency and accountability for the natural health market but will not penalise makers or buyers of low-risk products by introducing needlessly tough costs for bureaucracy. Further detailed regulatory work will be undertaken in consultation with the industry the Green Party and the public. I look forward to the passing of this legislation in the next year or so.
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8. 
IAN McKELVIE (National—Rangitikei) 
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Minister of Justice 
: What is the Government doing to further protect victims from their attackers? 
Hon JUDITH COLLINS (Minister of Justice) 
: 
 It is unacceptable for victims of serious violent crimes to feel intimidated by their offender moving into their local area near their home or workplace. I have today announced a new restraining order under the Harassment Act to protect victims from unwanted contact from a person who attacked them. The new order can restrict offenders from living in or visiting areas close to their former victims and from contacting their victims. 
Ian McKelvie 
: What other action has this Government taken recently to support victims? 
Hon JUDITH COLLINS 
: Putting victims first is a key priority of the Government. We have increased funding for the Victims Centre enabling the Victims Centre freephone to take 1500 calls per month and to help more than 20000 people through the Victims Centre website. We have also committed $1 million to expand the safe@home programme keeping women and children safe from domestic abuse.
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The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Sorry to interrupt the honourable member. His time has expired.
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6. 
SIMON O’CONNOR (National—Tamaki) 
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Minister of Science and Innovation 
: How is the Government using science to address some of the biggest challenges facing New Zealand? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE (Minister of Science and Innovation) 
: 
 The Government’s National Science Challenges initiative is designed to identify the key scientific questions crucial to New Zealand and fund them to make a difference to our future. From next week the Government is asking New Zealanders and the science community to put forward their ideas for science challenges. We have identified a number of illustrative challenges as starters for 10 including our rich seas land and water foods for health advanced materials and manufacturing protecting New Zealand’s biodiversity fighting disease our changing climate and resilience to natural hazards. Cabinet will select the final science challenges in April 2013 following public engagement and advice from an expert panel chaired by the Prime Minister’s Chief Science Advisor Sir Peter Gluckman. 
Simon O’Connor 
: How can New Zealanders have their say in which science challenges should be included? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE 
: This Sunday will see the launch—[ 
Interruption 
] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Order! 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE 
: Well obviously the Opposition— 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Order! 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE 
: This Sunday will see the launch of  
The Great NZ Science Project 
 a campaign to encourage New Zealanders to get involved in identifying our biggest science challenges. Television advertisements featuring New Zealand scientists explaining some of the illustrative challenges will stream from Sunday and these will be supported by  
The Great NZ Science Project 
 interactive website through which the public can provide their feedback. I would encourage everyone to have their say on what they think are the science challenges facing New Zealand. The 
 Great NZ Science Project 
 campaign is also the perfect opportunity to help lift the public profile of science and encourage more young New Zealanders to choose a career in science. We have a long proud tradition of creating outstanding scientists—[ 
Interruption 
]—but I do not think Mr Cunliffe would ever be one because he is indicating his ignorance right through the House this afternoon.
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MICHAEL WOODHOUSE (National) 
: 
 It is my great pleasure to take the last call in the second reading debate on the Advanced Technology Institute Bill. I want to make a couple of comments based on submissions from previous speakers. I start by acknowledging Tracey Martin and the New Zealand First Party for firstly what was a very thoughtful contribution to this debate but also for the fact that having voted against this bill at its first reading the New Zealand First Party has considered and changed that position. I think that is a merit of the maturity of the thought that has gone into it. Also my colleagues on the Education and Science Committee have acknowledged the contribution Ms Martin is making to that committee. 
I want to congratulate Sue Moroney and Dr David Clark on and thank them for their continued support of a research and development tax credit. I do so on behalf of my colleagues in the Institute of Chartered Accountants of New Zealand because it will be they who benefit the most from that philosophically flawed goal. Please keep campaigning on it. If that is all Labour has to innovate in this country then that is fine by us. 
The last thing I would say is to Dr David Clark. I do not have the luxury of focusing on just the negative things that are happening in Dunedin—and Hillside is a very concerning thing. It is my duty my obligation and a challenge to point out the positive things. So for the New Zealand Honey Co. AbacusBio Farra Engineering Cowell’s Genuine Pavlova Pacific Edge Biotechnology Separett Silver Fern Farms Fonterra Speights Brewery for the many small companies that are benefiting from record numbers of cruise ship visits into Dunedin and the oil and gas exploration opportunities that present a massive manufacturing opportunity I will stand up I will fly the flag and I will say that the policies of this Government and this bill will benefit Dunedin.
Ardern Jacinda: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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JACINDA ARDERN (Labour) 
: 
 Mr Speaker—[ 
Interruption 
] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Forgive me I apologise to the member. I ask the House please to come back to order. I must be able to hear Jacinda Ardern.
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Mr SPEAKER 
: No no. Order! That kind of abuse is the kind—[ 
Interruption 
] Order! I have already explained that there is currently a Standing Order that provides for members to take up issues where they feel a Minister in answering a question has made a reckless allegation. It is Standing Order 355. The member is perfectly welcome to do that but he is not and I will not tolerate further abuse of the point of order system. To me it is totally unacceptable to use it to belittle another member of this House so that will cease.
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Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 I seek leave to make a personal explanation in relation to an answer given by the Hon David Carter to question No. 3 today. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought for the member to make a personal explanation. Is there any objection? There is no objection. 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS 
: Mr Carter said that an office of my party had rung his office wishing to know how do you spell “Director-General”. My inquiries show that my office called Mr Carter’s office because Wayne McNee in the first reference on the website is referred to as “Wayne McNee Director”—no hyphen just a space—“General” and then the next reference has a hyphen in it. She wished to know which was the correct one—without the hyphen or with it. [ 
Interruption 
] Just listen listen. Mr Speaker this is a personal explanation; it should be heard in silence as you know. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Order! And it must be a personal explanation. 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS 
: It is a personal explanation. I have made the inquiry of the only person who can supply evidence here. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Order! If the member would just for a moment resume his seat. The dilemma—and I do ask members to be silent during a personal explanation—for the House is that what we are hearing is not a personal explanation. The member himself was not involved in this alleged activity and therefore it is not a personal explanation. That is what is causing some I think concern across the House. Personal explanations are meant to relate to matters that affect a person personally. 
Hon Trevor Mallard 
: Point of order. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The Rt Hon Winston Peters has the floor. 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS 
: Let me say this here. The fact is that the House was—[ 
Interruption 
] I will conclude this but the fact of the matter is he drew attention to a matter that is to do with punctuation not spelling and then he totally misinformed the House— 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Order! Order! We are now getting into an argument by way of point of order. I am going to have to rule on this matter to sort it out for the House and I am going to have to rule that a personal explanation must relate to something that affects a person personally. From what I have heard I do not believe that it was the right honourable gentleman who contacted the Minister’s office. I do not believe that this matter affects the right honourable gentleman personally at all. Matters to do with members’ staff or other things like that cannot be matters of personal explanation as far as I can see. If I am wrong in that matter I apologise to the House—if I am wrong. But I think you know I cannot allow a personal explanation to continue that clearly is not actually a personal explanation.
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3. 
RICHARD PROSSER (NZ First) 
 to the  
Minister for Primary Industries 
: Does he have confidence in the Director-General of the Ministry for Primary Industries? 
Hon DAVID CARTER (Minister for Primary Industries) 
: 
 Yes I do. I think the New Zealand Public Service is very fortunate to have leaders with the capability and the integrity the likes of Mr Wayne McNee. 
Richard Prosser 
: How can he have confidence in the Director-General of the Ministry for Primary Industries when there have been no prosecutions relating to culpability for the biosecurity breach that allowed the Psa bacteria into New Zealand with devastating consequences for the kiwifruit industry? 
Hon DAVID CARTER 
: Because despite numerous reports into that incursion no one can be sure how that particular bacteria arrived in New Zealand. 
Richard Prosser 
: Is the real reason there have been no prosecutions relating to culpability for the biosecurity breach that allowed the Psa bacteria into New Zealand with devastating consequences for the kiwifruit industry that they might reveal the extent of failures by the Ministry for Primary Industries and its predecessor the Ministry of Agriculture and Forestry? 
Hon DAVID CARTER 
: No that is definitely not the case. I sympathise with the member putting a lot of work into this question. His research unit phoned my office a number of times yesterday with questions such as “How do you spell ‘Director-General’?”. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Order!
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Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (Leader of the House) 
: 
 When the House resumes on Tuesday 13 November the Government will look to progress the Electronic Identity Verification Bill the Identity Information Confirmation Bill the Lawyers and Conveyancers Amendment Bill and the Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill. With the agreement of the Business Committee the Wednesday 14 November sitting will be extended into the morning of Thursday 15 November for the third readings of the Ngati Whatua Orakei Claims Settlement Bill and the Ngati Manuhiri Claims Settlement Bill. Wednesday is a members’ day.
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Unemployment—Current Rate 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Honourable members I have received a letter from Jacinda Ardern seeking to debate under Standing Order 386 the failure of the Government to tackle rising unemployment as evidenced by this morning’s household labour force survey results which show unemployment surging to 7.3 percent. The urgent debate procedure is a means of debating matters that have occurred and of holding the Government accountable for its actions. The member in her application has not identified an action on the part of the Government that constitutes a particular case of recent occurrence. [ 
Interruption 
] Order! The accumulation of information with regard to an issue is not of itself sufficient. For there to be a particular case of recent occurrence there must be either a new situation of importance or a new development in an existing situation of sufficient importance in itself to warrant a debate being held. A proposal to discuss a continuing problem such as unemployment is not one contemplated by Standing Order 386. The application is therefore declined.
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Thursday 8 November 2012 
Mr Speaker 
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Prayers 
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Business Statement 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (Leader of the House) 
: 
 When the House resumes on Tuesday 13 November the Government will look to progress the Electronic Identity Verification Bill the Identity Information Confirmation Bill the Lawyers and Conveyancers Amendment Bill and the Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill. With the agreement of the Business Committee the Wednesday 14 November sitting will be extended into the morning of Thursday 15 November for the third readings of the Ngati Whatua Orakei Claims Settlement Bill and the Ngati Manuhiri Claims Settlement Bill. Wednesday is a members’ day.
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Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. What do we do in the interests of this House and this country to stop a Minister demonstrating that he is grammatically an illiterate—
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Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I will hear from the right honourable gentleman further. 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS 
: What the Minister did—and I am asking your advice here—was throw into question the intelligence and education of a member of my staff who I might add is an immensely more qualified academic— 
Mr SPEAKER 
: No no. Order! That is—[ 
Interruption 
] No order! We cannot have that. Members cannot under a point of order abuse another member. There is a new Standing Order. Where Ministers make allegations recklessly in answering questions there is a procedure under the current Standing Orders that can be followed to sort the matter out. Where it does not involve a member personally it is not a personal explanation. I apologise—I do not want to be unfair to the Rt Hon Winston Peters—but what I am hearing is not a personal explanation. That is why I feel I must terminate it.