Hayes John: Tariff (Trans-Pacific Strategic Economic Partnership) Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
Hayes John: Tariff (Trans-Pacific Strategic Economic Partnership) Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
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JOHN HAYES (National—Wairarapa) 
: 
 I listened with interest to the comments made by my colleague from the Maori Party and would like to address one or two comments to him in reply to the points he made. Firstly I feel disappointed that someone like Dr Jane Kelsey is preparing speeches for colleagues in the Maori Party to read in this Chamber because it is stopping— 
Te Ururoa Flavell 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I wish to clarify the situation because it seems there is an assertion that somebody is writing speeches for us and the person’s name— 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: That is not a point of order; it is a debating point. 
Te Ururoa Flavell 
: How will I be able to make the point that the comment is out of context and inappropriate? 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: The member can seek leave to make a personal explanation. 
Te Ururoa Flavell 
: Do I do that now? 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: You can or you can wait until the member has finished his speech then do it. 
Sandra Goudie 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I have dealt with the issue. 
Sandra Goudie 
: Can the member not say that he takes offence? 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: No. 
JOHN HAYES 
: I particularly welcome the comments made by my colleague in the Maori Party because voices should be heard—and voices are many varied and come from many perspectives. I say to him that if you look down a telescope from one end of it you will see a big picture and if you reverse the telescope and look down the other end you might see a small picture. I say to you that I have lived in countries— 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: The member is bringing me into the debate by using the word “you” in respect of the member. 
JOHN HAYES 
: I point out that we are here today to talk about trade. Trade has nothing to do with ethnicity. It has nothing to do with it at all. Trade is something that has gone on for thousands of years—before any person arrived here in Aotearoa. For example the Persians were trading with the Chinese 4500 or 5000 years ago. All we are doing in this bill is helping our country to create wealth. In the Committee on this bill colleagues from the Green Party and Maori Party said they did not want to have anything to do with this legislation because they thought it would cause people to lose jobs. I have heard some nonsense in my time but I think those views are total rubbish. I will come back to that shortly. 
I also say to my colleague from the Maori Party that today we are engaged in a process that is giving him a voice. The process of treaty making in this country used to be conducted outside this Parliament by bureaucrats. I have spent around 22 or 23 years of my life engaged in that process far from the gaze of politicians and far from the opportunity for people like our Maori Party colleagues even to comment. So I commend this House and our predecessors who have brought this very important process into the House to expose it to public scrutiny. Although I hear the comments of my colleague Mr Groser on the repetition of this issue through various processes in this House I think the people of New Zealand welcome the opportunity for the House to look at these issues. 
My colleague from the Green Party thinks we should stop this process because he said it would cause a loss of jobs. He used the example of the clothing manufacturing industry. I can tell members that since the reforms in the mid-1980s we have had companies operating very successfully in my electorate. Members who represent electorates will know that companies like Bouzaid and Ballaben Ltd in Greytown where I live employ something like 60 people every day of the week to make clothes. Further north in Masterton John Whitehead of Whitehead Productions Ltd is providing employment through the manufacturing of clothes. This agreement will only support them in their activities. Similarly let us think about trade in shoes. Certainly one can go into a lot of shoe shops in this country and find shoes made in China Thailand or the Philippines but I can say that in my electorate people are making shoes for sale in this market perfectly competitively. 
We need this agreement. National supports it because we need to create wealth in this country. What concerns me is that this bill will not deliver enough wealth creation. In the Committee on the bill my Green colleague expressed a concern that he wants to see us moving forward—and so does my Maori colleague—to generate money to meet the 0.7 percent UN target. They want to see us remove poverty from the world. Where will the money come from if we do not generate it? That is why we need this bill. 
I will seek leave to table a document extracted from the New Zealand Trade and Enterprise annual report of 2005. Page 44 of that report shows that money being spent by this Government on generating trade activity in the area of import replacement and in developing our own domestic industry has generated an income of $23.4 million. We need agreements like that trade agreement to generate wealth in our country because to generate that import replacement value—as set out in that report—has cost us $41.7 million of wasted money. For every dollar we have earned through that import replacement value arrangement it has cost the taxpayer $2 because that is what the Government has spent. As I said I will seek leave to table this document. 
We need to create wealth in this country because money is being wasted and squandered. For example we need to generate wealth so we can give it away in the Pacific Island countries as our colleague the “Minister of Baubles” has done in the last week or so by building— 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: That is like a nickname and the member knows it is out of order. The member must refer to a member by his or her full name or by his or her office. 
JOHN HAYES 
: Thank you Mr Assistant Speaker. The reason we need to generate that wealth is that the Minister of Foreign Affairs was in Niue the last week giving away $8 million or so for a new hospital. That hospital is operating in a community of a thousand people including 20 members of the Niue Parliament. If we are going to give New Zealand taxpayers’ money away—money we have made by generating wealth—do members not think there should be some obligation to make sure the money is spent wisely? If we think about it this Minister has also been supporting a process whereby the people of Tokelau—New Zealanders living on three atolls 500 kilometres from Apia Samoa on subsistence incomes—are being told: “We want you to be self-governing. We don’t want you to be our responsibility. We want you to get money from other aid donors because we are sick of paying for you.” We have created a $20 million fund from New Zealand taxpayers’ money—from wealth we have created in this community—to encourage the people of Tokelau to take that road. I am very pleased they have not done it. 
Similarly my colleague in the New Zealand First Party has suggested that we use the wealth we have created to buy guns from the police and to give them away to the Solomon Islands. Does he not know that the Australian Government and the New Zealand Government are working in the Solomon Islands to establish law and order because the guns were stolen from the police? He is just trying to complicate a problem. 
We need more vision because we need more wealth. I want to see wealth created so we can employ sufficient general practitioners in Dannevirke to service our local community. I want to see a policeman running our police station in Carterton in my electorate so we do not have to have the sort of suggestion I received from police this week—that our police station will be run by a green worker. We want to support the bill. I want to see it expanded to include other Pacific Islanders but I will support it fully. 
I seek leave to table page 44 of the New Zealand Trade and Enterprise annual report of 2005. 
Document by leave laid on the Table of the House.