Russell Deborah; Utikere TangiHon Dr DEBORAH RUSSELL (Labour): Thank you Mr Chair. I'm sorry I'm finding it a little hard to hear you Mr Chair.CHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono): The Hon Deborah Russell.Hon Dr DEBORAH RUSSELL: Thank you Mr Chair I appreciate it.CHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono): I'll sit up straighter. Hon Dr DEBORAH RUSSELL: I do want to bring something to the attention of the Minister. This will be my last call before I get into the technical stuff if I do get further calls. It's a message I got from a Rotorua father yesterday. He contacted me and said he'd taken a screenshot of what he thought that his family would get from these tax changes—the overall four changes that the Minister has just referred to. I have the screenshot here and he says that he and his family will get about $190 a fortnight. But what he was confused about is when he was going to get that. So I'll just read his message. He says—I won't give his partner's name but his partner earning $100000 and me getting nothing"—he's a full-time caregiver—"with our two kids four years old and one year old." So it says they're going to get $190.10. Sounds great. "So when does the money start flowing in? Or do I have to go through some sort of convoluted process? So unsure."So we've already talked a lot about the processes but I think the question for this Rotorua father—and it was a very serious one because the way it was presented in the tax calculator on the Budget website is that that $190 a fortnight would be available to him really from early August—that's when the changes start flowing in. But I'm pretty sure that the way that this childcare tax credit rebate refund—whatever we're calling it—is done is that in actual fact that money won't get into that family's back pocket until some time in October. So sitting on the tax calculator is the implication it's going to be there from early August. He's looking forward to getting that extra money. They need it in their family. They've got those two little ones in childcare. But I'd just like the Minister to clarify for the benefit of that Rotorua father when he and his family can start seeing the benefit of this childcare tax rebate. When will it actually arrive in their bank accounts? And I know it can be claimed from 1 October but sitting in this we need to understand how quickly the Inland Revenue Department can process those receipts. So what is a realistic time frame for this daddy to understand when that money will get into his family's bank account?TANGI UTIKERE (Labour—Palmerston North): Meitaki ma'ata Mr Chair. Thank you. This is my first call on this bill and I have a number of questions for the Minister in my capacity as Labour's associate education spokesperson for Pacific. My questions relate around the ability for Pacific providers and for anau to engage with this proposed process in a way that is easy and right for them. It's very clear that there are administration pressures that face the early childhood education (ECE) sector on a regular basis. So I'm yet to hear from the Minister around what level of support is proposed to be put in for those providers in order to meet the additional administrative expectations moving from what might be in many situations an annual form of accountability or receipting to for many four times per year. So that's my first question.Second is around this issue of consultation. I'm yet to hear a response from the Minister that directly relates to the level of consultation with our Pasifika community. I refer to the regulatory impact statement (RIS) specifically paragraphs 21 and 22 which identify that in terms of this creating an increase in administrative capacity it will be important to consult with the ECE sector. But the RIS doesn't just say actually it's important. It uses the word "crucial". So I think that's a higher threshold. So I'm interested to hear from the Minister around what guarantees can be provided that there is a crucial level of engagement with the sector around these changes?Another question from me is around whether families might be in a position—for example if life administration is quite tough and that's the case for many—to have a number of receipts and how that might be easily accessed and able to be filed. And if so—i.e. there's a retrospective sort of condition—then what's the liability for the Government as part of that process?Statistics New Zealand identify that around 24 percent of children have care arrangements with grandparents. And in a Pasifika context that can mean a whole range of things in terms of whether it's a grandparent or an aunt or an uncle or what have you. Those are informal arrangements. When I look at the proposed subsection MH 3(5) I don't believe that Pasifika family members would be eligible. Yet if they're proposed to receive—many of them who might be receiving New Zealand superannuation—an increase of $2.25 a week where is the level of support for that particular family dynamic in terms of the arrangements?And finally just in terms of all the research all the empirical data indicates that it can be very very difficult—very difficult—for Pasifika community members to want to engage with many Government departments agencies and those sorts of things. I've heard the Minister talk about "Get a family member to provide support for accessing an 0800 number." That seems to me to be potentially a further barrier for Pasifika whānau and ānau. So I'm interested to hear what sort of face-to-face arrangement—and again this may have been borne out if there was a level of engagement with the sector but I invite the Minister to address those questions."