Williams ArenaARENA WILLIAMS (Labour—Manurewa): Thank you for the opportunity Mr Chair. My amendments for the Minister are about the dates that section 167C(1)(j)(iv) would apply from and the reason I want to ask the Minister some questions about whether it should apply earlier is in relation to how then 167BB would come into effect. So those are those Part 13 regulation-making powers that are being moved forward here essentially by clause 6.I would argue that the Minister has got the timing for those wrong because of the operation of 167B. The timing and moving it forward is a problem because we don't have an explicit enough recommendation to the Minister when he considers what his decision-making power should be under the regulations to essentially ratchet down the—well ratchet up the requirements for the industry to continue to import cleaner and cleaner vehicles as technology changes around the world and as our international agreements become more stringent and we get closer to those 2040 goals that we have signed up to.I had recommended for the Minister to consider an arrangement where under 167B he was also directed to consider the imposition of regulations under that section which are appropriate for considering our international and domestic climate change ambitions. But because we won't have that built into the legislation now to move the regulation-making powers forward would then mean that he's got to consider not only in subsequent years what our international obligations are but in this currently there is no direction for the industry on how the Government intends to meet those international obligations and indeed there's no obligation for the Minister to even consider that when he makes his first round of decisions under the regulation powers. So I think it would be more appropriate for the settings to be clear for the industry now as they are and then for us to be able to step out those further regulation-making powers later. Because again we get to this point of if everyone around this House wants certainty for the industry and the Government has been clear in other pieces of legislation and on an international stage where the Prime Minister has recently made some remarks in this regard New Zealand is still committed to our international obligations to reduce our emissions profile the transport fleet is an important part of that. And so that is a really clear signal to the industry. And yet we don't have then primary provisions which are giving the industry some really clear targets for how their contribution to that will be judged. So we end up in this position where we're sort of saying one thing on one side of our mouth and giving the industry another indication on the other. So that's why I've proposed two amendments. There's an option there for 2025 and there's an option there for 2026. The reason for that is for the Minister to consider whether it would be appropriate to give the industry certainty in that way by using the new provisions.Also speaking to this point about the timing the Hon Megan Woods made some comments about the appropriateness of the timing for these regulation-making powers to come in in her contribution on clause 2 I believe of this bill. And the Chair at that time Barbara Kuriger gave an indication to my colleague that there would be an opportunity for further debate on the timing provisions particularly with regards to the regulation-making powers in this section. And so it would be useful if we could canvass with the Minister what the intention is here for the regulation-making powers. If they come into effect now is there an intention to give the industry certainty over the next two years and three years where on the one hand that certainty is being taken away by taking it out of the primary legislation? Those questions were raised by Megan Woods. Then they were not answered by the Minister because he felt that it was more appropriately addressed later in the debate. And so here we are at that point but I haven't heard the Minister address that timing point yet.