O'Connor SimonSIMON O'CONNOR (National—Tāmaki): What's fascinating as you listen to the left wing—or the radical far left off to my left here in the Green Party who want to defund the police—is that according to them there is absolutely no problem with criminals in New Zealand. There are no problems with criminals with guns! And lo and behold there is definitely no problem with gang members with guns committing crime!Now some of us live in the real world which is where six constituents of mine in Glen Innes were shot at. In Wairoa tonight gang members unleashed numerous rounds into a house. In my electorate alone we've had 30 ram raids. As my colleague Simeon Brown pointed out we have got more gang members now than police. In fact the gangs are recruiting particularly through Corrections—where's Kelvin Davis? Where is Kelvin Davis on this by the way?There's no problem according to the left and the far left; it's all tickety-boo. The problem is—and you can sense it you can just feel it if you're more intuitive in this House. You can just feel the other side knows—they just know—that they should be for this bill. You can absolutely feel it. Because this is a good bill. It's a simple bill. It's a simple proposition. That's illustrated by a couple of ways. We get lectured ad absurdum ad infinitum ad boring—probably bad Latin—from the other side of the House. We should always let bills go through the first reading should always let them go to select committee.But isn't it funny when we're dealing with crime gangs holding people to account not taking excuses for victims—no no Labour and the far left of the Greens: We're going to block it." That's the first option. The second is tonight we've heard from one of the other members talking about lived experiences everything. Well what is fascinating to that Labour member: first and foremost "Lived experience is everything." is one of the weakest stupidest irrational arguments possible.Anna Lorck: Speak to the bill.Hon Priyanca Radhakrishnan: You would know wouldn't you?SIMON O'CONNOR: Oh no sorry this is my lived experience! Thanks Labour just want to put that out there—it's my lived experience; it's everything according to your colleagues. But I just want to note that the member promoting this bill—to Nicole McKee thank you. I back her lived experience as a licensed gun-owner and advocate more than any member of that Labour caucus and the far left the radical far left which is the Green Party.What's so wonderful about this bill is it does two things at once; there's a wonderful serendipity. And note they're getting so upset on the other side because you know again it's just tweaking them. They know they're wrong. Cross the House guys; it'll be good for you. It'll stretch your legs. It's great for your coronaries. But the great thing about this bill is it does two things at once. Firstly it's a bill which disincentivises having illegal guns. On the other hand—on the other hand—it makes real consequences for those gang members who hold them. It's so simple. On one hand don't own or don't have an illegal firearm. On the other hand there'll be serious consequences if you're found with one.To the members of the public watching it's just so incredibly simple. Unfortunately your Government—your Government—doesn't quite understand it.Ginny Andersen: Got it now. Got it.SIMON O'CONNOR: What makes it even more clear is there's heckling going on at the moment. But you know what it is? It's just noises. There's actually no words being used; it's just noises. I think that sums up the Labour and the far extreme left of the Greens perfectly. When it comes to crime when it comes to protecting people through this piece of legislation let's be very clear: the centre right National and ACT will vote for this. But tonight the Labour Party and the Green Party and I suspect the Māori Party will vote against it. They will vote for the gangs. They will vote for firearms. They will vote against safety. And they know deep down they're wrong."