Cameron Mark; O'Connor Damien; Rurawhe AdrianMARK CAMERON (ACT): Thank you Mr Chair. Minister if I could just change tack very quickly the M. bovis programme which you're acutely aware of and have just previously mentioned is an ongoing expenditure—this notwithstanding Five Star Beef feedlot which I know you're intimately versed in was first notified of infection on-farm in 2018. Now I'm cognisant of the fact that there's an exorbitant sum of money that's probably going to be spent on its depopulation and then its compensation. This notwithstanding I am sure there is disease mitigation from the property that's ongoing in terms of cost through the programme. Can you please explain to every member in this House what the money will be. I know you and I have had several correspondences on this. There has been no money allocated. There's been figures thrown around between $40 million and $200 million notwithstanding there'll be an inflationary cost to that because as I say the property was first notified in 2018 and now it's 2022. Of the $886 million appropriated I believe for the programme how much of this will directly go to Five Star feedlot?Hon DAMIEN O'CONNOR (Minister of Agriculture): Look thank you very much. It's a fair question. We're making good progress on M. bovis as the member has spoken of. The Five Star Beef lot is a challenging situation. They are the recipients of animals from across the South Island. A lot of them are off beef herds or have come through dairy and so it was probably almost inevitable that they ended up with M. bovis. Ultimately if we are to make real progress we have to clean that operation up. Look I can't and I'm not going to refer to the figure. Ultimately it will be a fair negotiation. I guess we'll want to pay as little as possible and they'll want to get as much as possible but somewhere in the middle—somewhere in the middle. And there's a lot of work still to be done on that because it is a vertically integrated operation and it runs right through into the marketplace. The Prime Minister and I went to the restaurant that they have in Tokyo where some of the fine product is sold and enjoyed by people over there. The point is that we understand it's a challenge. We've got to make sure that when we do clean up the Five Star Beef lot there's a very low likelihood of it being re-infected again because clearly when it goes into that operation then it spreads through. But it's not contributing to the wider spread of M. bovis at all and that's useful. Very quickly before I sit down the one on food security raised by the member over there—look we are very aware of that. We in total produce enough food for about 40 million people. So unlike the Ukraine which is a huge contributor to food security across the globe and that's been obviously impacted we're aware of the flow-on impacts which in the short term mean more money for what we produce. That doesn't help with food security. In fact you know affordability of course is a lot harder for many people across the globe. Generally we don't supply those people. I guess people are paying more for our food but none the less we have a moral obligation to contribute and that's through the sharing of information. And what people are learning is that the interruption with the fertiliser supply chain means that the fertiliser that we have we should use more astutely more efficiently. There have been times where we've taken those inputs for granted; we're not now. And so while we had access to large amounts of gas across the globe and it was producing urea for very low cost and you just poured it on with the impact on the environment now the cost of urea has gone up. So people will have to revert back maybe to legumes which was the basis on which we built our pastoral system and those clovers that contributed the nitrate from the atmosphere into the ground for the grasses to be taken up and utilised were the efficiency that drove our success in the international marketplace. Now that's been pushed to one side as we've had cheap urea and poured it on and blown the clovers out of the sward. Now we're going to have to go back. Now the fact that we know how to do that gives us an advantage in what is a challenging world of insecurity with some of those input components. So we have an obligation to go out and share our knowledge to actually build more food security in other nations as well. That's where selling our services where people will be prepared to pay for our knowledge is an opportunity an export opportunity for us. So it's not just the food we sell it's the services and the knowledge that we should share. So in that way New Zealand will contribute to better food security across the globe not by providing the food but providing the knowledge. In that way New Zealand will be the best country for the world.Hon Members: Mr Chair?CHAIRPERSON (Adrian Rurawhe): I'll take some guidance from the members. It has come time—the Minister's half-hour is up but if the Minister's willing to stay I'll take another call.