Roberts Angela; Dean JacquiANGELA ROBERTS (Labour): Thank you Madam Speaker and it is a great pleasure to rise and take a call on this member's bill. Congratulations Mr Smith on the Sale and Supply of Alcohol (Cellar Door Tasting) Amendment Bill.It's not unusual for us to bond across the House over such wonderful things like Marlborough and Taranaki and of course wine. At this time you reflect; it's often a conversation around primary industries. We all start to reflect on our shared connection and our shared heritage and the connections that we have with the wine industry is just one of those. I spent most of my summers in Marlborough and I can remember having friends and going from watching the sheep in the Wairau Valley to clipping the garlic through the summers and then on that same piece of land owned by Peter Jackson I can remember my first year at university learning how to tie up those first lot of vines which now are part of a multibillion-dollar business. I can remember friends at university at Lincoln who came off the hills—they were pretty good at looking after sheep—and then going on and doing their postgrad in viticulture because they knew that was the future and then becoming international winemakers. So my peers I've watched them and how primary production has changed in that valley and how it's not just changed the landscape but the way we live our lives down there. We've all been to weddings at wineries and many of us have worked in them and we know looking after our visitors and it's a wonderful experience. So it is part of our culture not just a part of the narrow word of the economy". So it is really great that the care has been taken to fix up this frustration. As we've already heard from our member over the way this is complicated and messy and it's been really frustrating. We've heard a lot of the details about the difference between an off-licence and an on-licence and if you have an off-licence you can't charge and if you have an on-licence you need to get the off-licence so that you can't charge and it all seems a bit muddly. I guess that bringing this legislation up to speed and modernising it is a wonderful thing to be doing. We've got over 600 small wineries and over the years we've seen some really innovative entrepreneurs who like my brother have literally put those posts in and planted grapes right through to big growers and winemakers and multinational companies. We have 600 small growers and this will be really impactful for them. We heard about how things during COVID were really difficult when they couldn't have cellar door sales. But what it did I guess COVID with so many things is it reminded us of what was important and it wasn't just selling stuff but that experience. I think we've already heard about the high-value experience and the wine that we grow and sell right around this country and that cellar door experience being one that we want to make sure that we can continue especially with our small winemakers. We heard them saying "We might have six visitors in a week and we might open 12 bottles of wine and they last three days and jeepers that's quite an investment when you might not end up selling anything."Nicola Grigg: Twelve bottles of wine in three days—crikey!ANGELA ROBERTS: And for a small cellar door you might not drink at all—do the math. OK.Nicola Grigg: I'm not judging.ANGELA ROBERTS: OK you're not judging. Oh that's good to hear. It's really interesting hearing how important the wine industry has become to our international trade; you know sixth largest export. The UK's our second largest export market for wine and it was really exciting this year when we signed the free-trade agreement with the UK and finally got those tariffs taken off and we've started to fix some of the bureaucracy and some of those barriers that have come in over the years around labelling and all those sorts of things. So this industry is huge and it's only going to get bigger because of the fabulous commitment that this Government has made to realising the dreams about opening up international markets and supporting all of our wineries in that way. This is a sensible piece of legislation. It's wonderful to see the care and the detail that has been put in. The difference between 30 millilitres and 40 millilitres—really interesting stuff. And the great thing about this is that it is really going to be supporting innovation. Our small winemakers operate differently in our community down in Marlborough. They employ people in a different way. They consider how they invest in their land and how they treat their land quite differently. They are our innovators. It's really exciting when you go to one of those small wineries whether it's in Taranaki or on the East Coast or down in Marlborough or Central Otago. It is those small players that we really want to make sure that we pay attention to and that we support.It just doesn't make sense when you start sort of unravelling it and going "Oh well you know. Just open a cafe." Well people who make wine want to make wine. And they want to have conversations with people at the cellar door about the wine that they make. Some of us have had the privilege of going to cellar doors in other parts of the world—literally a cellar door in a cave in France—and there's no problem. Sometimes you'll get your 40 millilitres for free but it's not unusual to be asked to make a small contribution. And I can remember being in Europe and actually feeling that I could go to the cellar door and spend a few francs on a little bit of wine and not feel really stink about it rather than going along and having a few nips here and there of wine and then being expected to buy a nice expensive £40 bottle of wine. So actually we never went and enjoyed the experience. And while I never would have been somebody to go and buy the expensive French wine at the cellar door at the time I'm much more likely to come back to New Zealand and buy my French wine or have a slightly more sophisticated pallet because I've been able to get access to the culture of wine. Now how is that for a really good reason for having a glass of wine?There will be concerns of course raised about anything that comes to this House that is dealing with the sale or the control of alcohol. So we should consider this bill really carefully. I'm a little disappointed that I'm not on the Justice Committee. Maybe the Primary Production Committee should have a good crack at it but I understand the reasons why it is there. So the other thing that we need to make sure of is that it will go to the committee and it will be dealt with really thoughtfully as it should because this is a conscience vote. It is a matter for us to consider very very seriously. And that is why people will have the opportunity to argue against the bill. It is important that we can do that. And we're really really looking forward to seeing this come back to the House. It will be great to be able to read the submissions from all of those who will be impacted positively. And it is nice to have an excuse to focus on and celebrate one of our favourite—oh are we allowed to have favourites?—primary industries and then to welcome the bill back to the House. So I wish the Justice Committee all the luck in the world. I'm sure they don't get such lovely bills coming through all of the time. And then we will expect to see a fabulous bill come back to the House.So this is for all of the people in the industry whether they are working at the cellar door whether they're making sure those grapes are well and truly mushed up into a beautiful beautiful glass of wine—those who have really been in there from the beginning. Marlborough is relatively young compared to some parts of the country but it is a wonderful part of our global brand and it's got a long way to go and it's nice to see someone paying attention to the little things that will really really make a difference. I look forward to hearing a good conversation about definitions of wineries and cellar doors. Maybe they should all be in caves I'm not really sure. So it is because of this that I recommend this bill to the House.Debate interrupted.ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Jacqui Dean): Members this debate is interrupted and the House stands adjourned until 2 p.m. tomorrow.The House adjourned at 9.56 p.m."