SpeechHon AUPITO WILLIAM SIO (Minister for Courts): That was a lot of humbug a lot of poppycock coming from that member there Nicola Willis. But the one thing I want to say about Nicola Willis is she sounds genuine—a lot more genuine than Chris Luxon.I've listened to Chris Luxon a number of times. I said to him he would be a great leader at the start. But you know after listening to him for the last six or so months he reminds me of the crown-of-thorns starfish. This is a starfish that secretes waste from all thorns. And that's what he's like. You don't know what you believe about the man. You know he cries foul about the poverty of people here but he doesn't know what it's like. He's not made any sacrifices. He sounds more like a John Key puppet in my view. I mean he said the other day on social media that he was on one part of the country when he was sunbathing in the other part of the party. This is a man wanting to be the leader of this nation. I'd say bring back Judith Collins. At least you knew where she stood. Or bring back Mark Mitchell. At least Mark has some sympathy for working-class communities out there. But that man there has no nada nada whatsoever.Look if we're serious on sides about the cost of living then let's acknowledge that there are people who are in need of help and there is no easy fix to the cost of living. But we as a Government continue to move forward. I announced not too long ago in this House here that in terms of Pacific peoples we had over 1000 people who have benefited from Tupu Aotearoa and have gotten jobs—high-value high-paying jobs. That is the solution. Not the punitive proposals that they're saying—to condemn to blame—but more encouraging and providing positive pathways: 1400 young Pacific not in education employment and training have gotten positive pathways. But the package of the cost of living—Hon Gerry Brownlee: How many?Hon AUPITO WILLIAM SIO: Hush up Mr Brownlee. Listen and you might learn something. Hush up Mr Brownlee. You might learn something about people who are striving to get ahead and this is the Government that is investing.Not too long ago nine long years of the John Key Government what did they do? They gutted the public sector. They gutted the public sector. And they call themselves sympathisers of working-class people. That is not the case; that is definitely not the case.So short-term cost of living payments are up and we—the other day a young involved nurse said to me Thank you very much Jacinda and your Government" for the money that they got to top up during the winter. She earns less than $70000. Now here's the thing: we are supporting the needs of the working communities out there. But we shouldn't have to be subsiding this long term—because in essence that's what we're doing: we're subsidising the need. But when the profits are made who gets to keep that in their pockets? And that's that lot here [points to Opposition benches] that continue to champion those inequities because that's a system that allows for inequity to be maintained.I've had the other day an older man who is retired say to me "Pass on to your Prime Minister our gratitude for the transport subsidies." Because they're able now to travel: visit grandkids from South Auckland to West Auckland without having to worry about the out of pocket. So when this lot here are crying foul all the time that just shows how insensitive they are and that every time they're talking about understanding the needs of working communities they don't know—[pauses]—waste—I'm trying to think in my head about the proper word to say on that one there.But I'd say this is the Government that will continue to move forward in supporting the community and governing for all peoples making sure that we're addressing the need—and there are many needs of this community. But we're not shying away from that: housing health education all of that. That's not what you can say about that lot when they were in Government last.And what we know of the kind of colour that National always does is once they're in they gut it. You cannot say on the one hand that you'll give people tax cuts and on the other hand continue to provide social services for needs out there. That just cannot be done."