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Cunliffe David: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Cunliffe David: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:654;Page:3854] 
6.  
Hon DAVID CUNLIFFE (Labour—New Lynn) 
 to the  
Minister of Finance 
: What issues does he believe are of most concern to credit rating agencies in respect of New Zealand: Government debt or the resilience of the wider economy? 
Hon BILL ENGLISH (Minister of Finance) 
: 
 Both of those issues are important to the economy and the Government wants to make sure we get control of Government debt and increase the resilience of the wider economy. The Government will continue to do what is best for New Zealand; rating agencies will continue to form opinions on the results of our decisions. 
Hon David Cunliffe 
: Is the Minister aware that Moody’s Investors Service rates New Zealand as having only a “limited debt challenge” and places New Zealand as being amongst the most resistant economies to the global downturn; if so why has he been attempting to scare New Zealanders into accepting his Government’s contractionary policies and his leader’s broken promises? 
Hon BILL ENGLISH 
: That question is full of assumptions that are incorrect. The Government has set out to make the best decisions for New Zealand according to our own judgment. The rating agencies will make whatever decisions they want to make. 
Peseta Sam Lotu-Iiga 
: What previous approaches by New Zealand Ministers of Finance to dealing with rating agencies is the Minister aware of? 
Hon BILL ENGLISH 
: I can quote my predecessor Michael Cullen who said in 2006 “when rating agencies call they largely ask the questions and I supply the answers. What the agency wanted assurance about was that there would be no sudden lurching around in the Government’s fiscal policy”. That is a reasonable approach for any Minister of Finance to take and it remains the case. I have been happy to brief rating agencies when major decisions have been taken to assure them that the Crown’s finances are on a stable and sensible path. 
Hon David Cunliffe 
: How can the Minister reconcile his statement to the House yesterday that “The Government actually has not talked about the credit rating agencies—hardly at all—since it came to office.” with his leader’s statement that “We have to make sure we don’t deliver deeper recession by allowing ourselves to blow our debt profile and threaten our international rating.”? 
Hon BILL ENGLISH 
: That is an entirely sensible reference to the fact that New Zealand has to borrow billions of dollars from overseas lenders and lenders’ perceptions of this country matter. 
Hon David Cunliffe 
: Does the Minister agree that it is a “nonsense” to suggest that New Zealand would have to borrow $50 billion extra by 2013 because any Government—National or Labour—would adjust its policy to ensure a sustainable fiscal path? 
Hon BILL ENGLISH 
: Certainly the National-led Government is adjusting policy in order to make sure we have sustainable debt. All the signs from Labour are that it has not learnt the lessons of losing an election and is still advocating endless spending and a lot more debt.
Bennett David: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Bennett David: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:654;Page:3853] 
5.  
DAVID BENNETT (National—Hamilton East) 
 to the  
Minister of Transport 
: What measures is the Government taking to curb illegal street racing around New Zealand? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE (Minister of Transport) 
: 
 Yesterday the Prime Minister the Minister of Police and I unveiled new legislation to help combat illegal street racing. The Land Transport (Enforcement Powers) Amendment Bill will ensure that the penalties for this antisocial behaviour are a strong deterrent to repeat offending. The Vehicle Confiscation and Seizure Bill allows the police and courts to target those repeatedly committing offences even in someone else’s car. These two laws will target the things illegal street racers value the most: their cars and their drivers’ licences. 
David Bennett 
: What specific initiatives does this legislation involve? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE 
: The new legislation will allow local councils to create by-laws preventing cars from repeatedly cruising city streets in a manner designed to bring attention to the power and sound of the vehicle—much like the power and sound of the vehicles opposite. I am sure this will come as a great relief to the residents of the four avenues in Christchurch. The legislation includes tougher penalties for noise offences failing to give driver details licence breaches and registration plate offences. In addition my colleague the Minister of Police has also introduced legislation to target the worst offenders by taking away their vehicles permanently. 
Nicky Wagner 
: What reports has the Minister seen in reaction to yesterday’s announcement? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE 
: The overwhelming reaction to the proposed bills has been positive. The only negative feedback I have had is from the illegal street racers themselves. The police have said that this new legislation will make a significant difference to the problem. The Automobile Association has welcomed the legislation saying: “The legislative changes will send a very clear message to illegal street racers”. The Mayor of Christchurch Bob Parker called the draft legislation “a big step in the right direction”. 
Amy Adams 
: How are the enforcement penalties designed in the Land Transport (Enforcement Powers) Amendment Bill? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE 
: One of the main focuses of the bill is on a greater use of demerit points as penalties. We are introducing demerit points for noise offences licence breaches and registration plate offences and increasing demerit points for graduated licence breaches. This is because it is clear that illegal street racers have not been paying their fines so the focus will become one of removing licences and/or the vehicle.
Douglas Roger: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Douglas Roger: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:654;Page:3850] 
3.  
Hon Sir ROGER DOUGLAS (ACT) 
 to the  
Minister of Finance 
: What progress will he announce in the Budget tomorrow on the Government’s medium-term goal of a “broad-based low-rate tax system” as agreed to in the National-ACT confidence and supply agreement? 
Hon BILL ENGLISH (Minister of Finance) 
: 
 The Government continues to support the principle of a broad based - low rate tax system. Decisions that were taken earlier with regard to KiwiSaver and research and development tax credits are consistent with this approach. The Government has ensured that there is no further erosion of tax bases. By international standards New Zealand’s tax bases are already broad and are relatively efficient at raising revenue. It would be fair to say that tax strategy is not at the centre of the Budget. 
Hon Sir Roger Douglas 
: Why is the Minister apparently willing to renege on his lower tax policy promises but not on his high Government spending promises? 
Hon BILL ENGLISH 
: It is our view that the decisions in the Budget will reflect a fair balance between on the one hand supporting New Zealanders through the most difficult time of a recession and on the other preparing to grow the economy. I expect that some people on either side of the political spectrum will believe the decisions did not go exactly how they wanted them to go. That means the decisions will probably be about right.
Hughes Darren: Points of Order — Select Committees—Membership 
Hughes Darren: Points of Order — Select Committees—Membership 
[Volume:654;Page:3845] 
Hon DARREN HUGHES (Labour) 
: 
 I seek leave for a fourth Labour member with no voting rights to be a permanent member of the committee of the House to consider legislation relating to Auckland governance. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought for that course of action. Is there any objection? There is objection.
Hide Rodney: Points of Order — Select Committees—Membership 
Hide Rodney: Points of Order — Select Committees—Membership 
[Volume:654;Page:3844] 
Hon RODNEY HIDE (Leader—ACT) 
: 
 We can all understand Mr Hughes’ concern but the reality is that it is not for the Speaker to intervene in the decision. The decision was made properly within the Standing Orders by Parliament. It is not then possible for a party that feels that Parliament made a wrong decision to appeal to the Speaker to override Parliament. The only way that the decision can be overridden is by Parliament itself. That is the end of the matter.
Smith Lockwood: Points of Order — Select Committees—Membership 
Smith Lockwood: Points of Order — Select Committees—Membership 
[Volume:654;Page:3844] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Order! 
Hon DARREN HUGHES 
: He invited that chip. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I accept what the honourable member is saying—that I allowed the Leader of the House to introduce material into his point of order that was unhelpful. I should not have done so and I acknowledge that but the honourable member must not continue in that vein. He must come straight to his point of order and there will be silence. 
Hon DARREN HUGHES 
: The Leader of the House referred to the committee being established by the House as though that was somehow different from the normal rules. It is true that it is not a normal standing committee of Parliament. It has been established under Standing Order 180(2): “The House may establish other committees.” The requirement for proportionality on those committees falls under Standing Order 181 and it is as a consequence of the decision to appoint a committee regardless of whether the committee is one appointed by a special motion or one of the standing subject committees that we have. I take issue with the submission by the Leader of the House to you Mr Speaker because I am referring to the issue of proportionality and to the easy offer that Labour has made available of a fourth non-voting member. That would not disturb the politics it would not disturb the Government’s majority but it would better reflect the proportion that the Labour Opposition holds in this Parliament.
Hughes Darren: Points of Order — Select Committees—Membership 
Hughes Darren: Points of Order — Select Committees—Membership 
[Volume:654;Page:3844] 
Hon DARREN HUGHES (Senior Whip—Labour) 
: 
 Speaking further to the point of order Mr Speaker. 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: I will allow the honourable member to speak briefly to that point. 
Hon DARREN HUGHES 
: The Leader of the House is certainly right: there was an extraordinary performance a couple of weeks ago and most of it was around his behaviour. Coming back to the—
Brownlee Gerry: Points of Order — Select Committees—Membership 
Brownlee Gerry: Points of Order — Select Committees—Membership 
[Volume:654;Page:3844] 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I will make a couple of points. Firstly the committee is not a standing committee of Parliament; it is a special select committee set up as the Hon Darren Hughes said by a motion of the House. The House has therefore dealt with this matter in setting up the special select committee. That is the end of the matter. Further in respect of the Labour Party’s plea that it should be better represented at the table I think that very few people who observed the extraordinary performance of the week before last—which demonstrated the Labour Party’s attitude towards changes to the governance of Auckland—would accept that Labour should be given a greater say. Parliament has spoken on this matter and that should be where it rests.
Hughes Darren: Points of Order — Select Committees—Membership 
Hughes Darren: Points of Order — Select Committees—Membership 
[Volume:654;Page:3843] 
Hon DARREN HUGHES (Senior Whip—Labour) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. It concerns the establishment of committees of the House. I seek your advice for the Opposition. 
As you know Mr Speaker by way of motion the House has appointed a special select committee to consider legislation relating to Auckland governance. That motion has been debated by Parliament. As a result of that motion members are required to supply you with the names of the people whom they would like to represent their party on that committee. The Labour Opposition is having difficulty complying with that request because of a disagreement we are having with the Government. I would like to ask you to intervene or to offer some advice as to how we may have it resolved. 
Standing Orders 180 181 and 182 refer to the establishment of committees and to the requirement that as far as practicable parties be represented proportionately in terms of their representation in Parliament. On the committee that is under discussion a little over a quarter of the seats are available to Labour but Labour makes up a little over a third of Parliament. We are the party that is most disadvantaged by the way that the committee has been knitted together. The smaller parties are all overrepresented. That is completely appropriate because they cannot have less than one member obviously and we support it. 
We have put forward a suggestion that would not alter the voting balance of the committee—we accept that the Government has put together a majority on it—but would see Labour have a fourth non-voting member on the committee. That would make the number of Labour members on it closer to our proportion in this Chamber than the three members that the motion has set up. That was discussed yesterday as you know at the Business Committee. The Leader of the House advised me last night that he had rejected that suggestion—that he was not prepared to entertain it. 
Mr Speaker I am asking you to offer your advice or your assistance to a minority in the House who are seeking to be represented fairly but not to disturb the voting balance that the Government has put together. What I am proposing would not change the Government’s voting majority on the committee but would mean that Labour had four members on it which is our correct entitlement in terms of proportional representation in this House as set out in the Standing Orders.
Street Maryan: Motions — Burma—Detention of Daw Aung San Suu Kyi 
Street Maryan: Motions — Burma—Detention of Daw Aung San Suu Kyi 
[Volume:654;Page:3843] 
Hon MARYAN STREET (Labour) 
: 
 I seek leave to move without debate members’ motion No. 5 in my name. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Is there any objection to that course being followed? There is none. 
Hon MARYAN STREET 
: I move  
That the New Zealand Parliament note the anniversary on 27 May 2009 of the detention under house arrest of Nobel Prize winner Daw Aung San Suu Kyi deplore her continued detention on political grounds and seek her immediate and unconditional release together with the release of approximately 2100 additional political prisoners being detained in Burma by the military junta 
. 
Motion agreed to.
Smith Lockwood: Visitors — China People’s Republic—Delegation from the National People’s Congress 
Smith Lockwood: Visitors — China People’s Republic—Delegation from the National People’s Congress 
[Volume:654;Page:3843] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I have much pleasure in informing members that a delegation from the National People’s Congress of the People’s Republic of China led by Her Excellency Chen Zhili Vice-Chairwoman of the Standing Committee is present in the gallery. I am sure that members would wish that the delegation be welcomed.
Motions — Burma—Detention of Daw Aung San Suu Kyi 
Motions — Burma—Detention of Daw Aung San Suu Kyi 
[Volume:654;Page:3843] 
Motions 
Burma—Detention of Daw Aung San Suu Kyi 
Hon MARYAN STREET (Labour) 
: 
 I seek leave to move without debate members’ motion No. 5 in my name. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Is there any objection to that course being followed? There is none. 
Hon MARYAN STREET 
: I move  
That the New Zealand Parliament note the anniversary on 27 May 2009 of the detention under house arrest of Nobel Prize winner Daw Aung San Suu Kyi deplore her continued detention on political grounds and seek her immediate and unconditional release together with the release of approximately 2100 additional political prisoners being detained in Burma by the military junta 
. 
Motion agreed to.
Visitors — China People’s Republic—Delegation from the National People’s Congress 
Visitors — China People’s Republic—Delegation from the National People’s Congress 
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Wednesday 27 May 2009 
Mr Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Prayers 
. 
Visitors 
China People’s Republic—Delegation from the National People’s Congress 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I have much pleasure in informing members that a delegation from the National People’s Congress of the People’s Republic of China led by Her Excellency Chen Zhili Vice-Chairwoman of the Standing Committee is present in the gallery. I am sure that members would wish that the delegation be welcomed.
Vote:  
Vote:  
[Volume:654;Page:138] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 3 as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 64 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Noes 49 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 4; Maori Party 3. 
Part 3 as amended agreed to. 
Debate interrupted.
Vote:  
Vote:  
[Volume:654;Page:138] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 64 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Noes 49 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 4; Maori Party 3. 
Amendments agreed to.
Vote:  
Vote:  
[Volume:654;Page:138] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 49 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 4; Maori Party 3. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the remaining amendments in the name of the Hon Rodney Hide to Part 3 be agreed to:
Vote:  
Vote:  
[Volume:654;Page:138] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 49 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 4; Maori Party 3. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Shane Jones to clause 10 be agreed to: 
to add the following new subclause: 
(5)The official Maori name for the Auckland Transition Agency is Te pokapu whakawhitinga mo te rohe o Ngati Whatua.
Vote:  
Vote:  
[Volume:654;Page:137] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 49 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 4; Maori Party 3. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Shane Jones to clause 10 be agreed to: 
to add the following new subclause: 
(5)The official Maori name for the Auckland Transition Agency is Te pokapu whakawhitinga mo te rohe o Akarana.
Vote:  
Vote:  
[Volume:654;Page:137] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 49 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 4; Maori Party 3. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Shane Jones to clause 10 be agreed to: 
to add the following new subclause: 
(5)The official Maori name for the Auckland Transition Agency is Te pokapu whakawhitinga mo te rohe o Tamaki Makaurau.
Vote:  
Vote:  
[Volume:654;Page:137] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 49 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 4; Maori Party 3. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Shane Jones to clause 10 be agreed to: 
to add the following new subclause: 
(5)The official Maori name for the Auckland Transition Agency is Te umanga whakawhitinga mo te rohe o Ngati Whatua.
Vote:  
Vote:  
[Volume:654;Page:137] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 49 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 4; Maori Party 3. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Shane Jones to clause 10 be agreed to: 
to add the following new subclause: 
(5)The official Maori name for the Auckland Transition Agency is Te umanga whakawhitinga mo te rohe o Akarana.
Vote:  
Vote:  
[Volume:654;Page:136] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 49 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 4; Maori Party 3. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Shane Jones to clause 10 be agreed to: 
to add the following new subclause: 
(5)The official Maori name for the Auckland Transition Agency is Te umanga whakawhitinga mo te rohe o Tamaki Makaurau.
Vote:  
Vote:  
[Volume:654;Page:136] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 49 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 4; Maori Party 3. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Shane Jones to clause 10 be agreed to: 
to add the following new subclause: 
(5)The official Maori name for the Auckland Transition Agency is Te Roopu whakawhitinga mo te rohe o Ngati Whatua.
Vote:  
Vote:  
[Volume:654;Page:135] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 49 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 4; Maori Party 3. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Sue Moroney to clause 11 be agreed to: 
to add to subclause (1) “in consultation with the Opposition spokesperson on the Rugby World Cup”.
Vote:  
Vote:  
[Volume:654;Page:135] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to 
Ayes 49 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 4; Maori Party 3. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Sue Moroney to clause 11 be agreed to: 
to add to subclause (1) “in consultation with the Opposition spokesperson on Archives New Zealand”.
Vote:  
Vote:  
[Volume:654;Page:135] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to.  
Ayes 49 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 4; Maori Party 3. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Sue Moroney to clause 11 be agreed to: 
to add to subclause (1) “in consultation with the Opposition spokesperson on conservation”.
Hughes Darren:  
Hughes Darren:  
[Volume:654;Page:134] 
Hon DARREN HUGHES (Senior Whip—Labour) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. Can you advise the Committee of what the rules are around photography in the Chamber. I am sure a lot of us would like to get a photograph of the Deputy Prime Minister in his current state. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: There is a clear ruling on this: the Speaker controls all photography in the House. That is the position. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Sue Moroney to clause 11 be agreed to: 
to add to subclause (1) “in consultation with the Opposition spokesperson on disarmament and arms control”.
Hayes John:  
Hayes John:  
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JOHN HAYES (National—Wairarapa) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I said the member “appeared” to be taking photographs. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Well we do not want to be making accusations so we will leave it at that. The member has apologised and we are happy with that.
Mallard Trevor:  
Mallard Trevor:  
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Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I insist on an apology. The member has accused me of breaching the rules of the House. I did not. I have taken serious offence at the accusation made by John Hayes. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: The member has taken offence. I ask Mr Hayes to apologise. 
John Hayes 
: I draw your attention Mr Chairperson— 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: No I asked the member to apologise. 
John Hayes 
: I apologise. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Right.
Mallard Trevor:  
Mallard Trevor:  
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Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. A very serious allegation has been made by people who are not telling the truth. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: I used the word “If”. I do not know whether the member was taking photographs so I am giving the member the benefit of the doubt.
Mallard Trevor:  
Mallard Trevor:  
[Volume:654;Page:134] 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 What is the problem? 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: I did not see the event. If the member is taking photographs I ask him to refrain from doing so.
Hayes John:  
Hayes John:  
[Volume:654;Page:134] 
JOHN HAYES (National—Wairarapa) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. The member opposite was taking photographs with his telephone.
Vote:  
Vote:  
[Volume:654;Page:136] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 49 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 4; Maori Party 3. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Shane Jones to clause 10 be agreed to: 
to add the following new subclause: 
(5)The official Maori name for the Auckland Transition Agency is Te Roopu whakawhitinga mo te rohe o Akarana.
Vote:  
Vote:  
[Volume:654;Page:135] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 27 
New Zealand Labour 20; Green Party 4; Maori Party 3. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: In case members have not heard and as we have just been voting on a rugby matter I point out that the Chiefs have beaten the Brumbies. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Shane Jones to clause 10 be agreed to: 
to add the following new subclause: 
(5)The official Maori name for the Auckland Transition Agency is Te Roopu whakawhitinga mo te rohe o Tamaki Makaurau.
Vote:  
Vote:  
[Volume:654;Page:50] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 50 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 8. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon George Hawkins to clause 9 be agreed to: 
to omit from subclause (3) the words “Auckland Council” wherever they appear and substitute “Auckland General Directorate for Governance Reorganisation”.
Vote:  
Vote:  
[Volume:654;Page:50] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 50 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 8. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon George Hawkins to clause 9 be agreed to: 
to omit from subclause (3) the words “Auckland Council” wherever they appear and substitute “Auckland Governance Oversight and Control Bureau”.
Vote:  
Vote:  
[Volume:654;Page:49] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 50 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 8. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon George Hawkins to clause 9 be agreed to: 
to omit from subclause (3) the words “Auckland Council” wherever they appear and substitute “Auckland Oversight Bureau”.
Vote:  
Vote:  
[Volume:654;Page:102] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 54 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 8; Maori Party 4. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Shane Jones to clause 13 be agreed to: 
to add to subclause (1)(g) the following new subparagraph: 
(vii)ensuring the interim Chief Executive of the Auckland Council carries out his or her responsibilities in a manner not inconsistent with the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi.
Vote:  
Vote:  
[Volume:654;Page:102] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 53 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 8; Maori Party 3. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 19 in the name of Sue Kedgley to clause 13 be agreed to.
Vote:  
Vote:  
[Volume:654;Page:102] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 53 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 8; Maori Party 3. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Sue Kedgley to clause 13 be agreed to: 
to omit from subclause (1)(e) “as it thinks fit”.
Vote:  
Vote:  
[Volume:654;Page:102] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 53 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 8; Maori Party 3. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Shane Jones to clause 13 be agreed to: 
to add to subclause (1)(c) the following new subparagraph: 
(iii)on those matters of significance to the tangata whenua in relation to the reorganisation.
Peachey Allan:  
Peachey Allan:  
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ALLAN PEACHEY (National—Tamaki) 
: 
 I am very pleased to be able to take a call to speak to Part 3 of the Local Government (Auckland Reorganisation) Bill and in particular to address the question of the transition agency that is being set up with members to be appointed by the Minister as a statutory body. I must address a practice that has developed in some of the members opposite when they have been speaking to Part 3—it is a practice I hold in contempt. It is the naming of members of the public who are not members of this House and who do not have the opportunity to respond. I myself was subjected to that sort of behaviour before I came into the House; I find it neither responsible nor respectable. 
The critical point now that we are going to have a unitary authority to be known as the Auckland Council is to ensure that this Committee puts in place the necessary transitional arrangements to make the council work and to make it work for the next 50 to 100 years in the life of the Auckland region. The royal commission studied models of implementation overseas and gave the matter very careful thought. The Government and Aucklanders will be looking to the transition agency to get the transition right. 
Political decisions are being made in this Chamber tonight and—goodness gracious—speaking of political decisions what must the people of Auckland make of the behaviour of the Opposition? How dare those members stand up and talk about defending democracy! That is the last thing their behaviour in this Chamber over the last 2 or 3 days amounts to. All that the Opposition is doing is confirming in the electorate’s mind that it was right to throw Labour out on its ear. When other Auckland members get back to their constituencies and when I get back to my constituency of Tamaki the people will be saying: “What a disgrace! What a disgrace it was that when the Labour Opposition could have been debating the provisions in Part 3 on the setting up and the working of the transition agency instead it chose to play games.” The Opposition is playing games with taxpayers’ money. The Opposition members do not get that point. It is not their money that is being spent tonight; it is taxpayers’ money. That is going to come home to roost on the streets of Auckland tomorrow Sunday next week next month next year and at the next election. 
The organisational structure for the work that the transition agency will be called on to perform is vital. I have every confidence that the Minister who has spoken with such clarity and such command of the details of the bill will get the appointment of that agency right. That agency’s motivation and obligation will be to ensure that come the local body elections in October 2010 the new Auckland Council will be up and running and to be sure that all aspects of the organisation have been got right. Members should make no mistake about this: the new council on day one must be up and running. The urgency in that is that it only as far away as October 2010.
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 50 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 8. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: The next amendment in the name of the Hon George Hawkins to amend clause 9 has been ruled out. It was to substitute “Auckland Command and Control Agency”. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon George Hawkins to clause 9 be agreed to: 
to omit from subclause (3) the words “Auckland Council” wherever they appear and substitute “Auckland Governance Bureau”.
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 50 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 8. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon George Hawkins to clause 9 be agreed to: 
to add the following new subclause: 
(5)The Auckland Council shall also be known as the Auckland Supercity Proposal until 1 March 2010.
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[Volume:654;Page:31] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 50 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 8. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon George Hawkins to clause 9 be agreed to: 
to add the following new subclause: 
(5)The Auckland Council shall also be known as the Auckland Supercity Proposal until 2 March 2010.
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to.  
Ayes 49 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 4; Maori Party 3. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to.
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to.  
Ayes 49 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 3; Maori Party 4. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Sue Moroney to clause 11 be agreed to: 
to add to subclause (1) “in consultation with the Opposition spokesperson on youth affairs”.
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[Volume:654;Page:133] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to.  
Ayes 49 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 4; Maori Party 3. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Sue Moroney to clause 11 be agreed to: 
to add to subclause (1) “in consultation the with the Opposition spokesperson on disability issues”.
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to.  
Ayes 49 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 4; Maori Party 3. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Sue Moroney to clause 11 be agreed to: 
to add to subclause (1) “in consultation with the Opposition spokesperson on education”.
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 49 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 4; Maori Party 3. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Sue Moroney to clause 11 be agreed to: 
to add to subclause (1) “in consultation with the Opposition spokesperson on women’s affairs”.
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 49 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 4; Maori Party 3. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Sue Moroney to clause 11 be agreed to: 
to add to subclause (1) “in consultation with the Minister for the Rugby World Cup”.
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 49 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 4; Maori Party 3. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Sue Moroney to clause 11 be agreed to: 
to add to subclause (1) “in consultation with the Minister responsible for Archives New Zealand”.
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[Volume:654;Page:132] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 49 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 4; Maori Party 3. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Sue Moroney to clause 11 be agreed to: 
to add to subclause (1) “in consultation with the Minister of Conservation”.
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[Volume:654;Page:132] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 49 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 4; Maori Party 3. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Sue Moroney to clause 11 be agreed to: 
to add to subclause (1) “in consultation with the Minister for Disarmament and Arms Control”.
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Vote:  
[Volume:654;Page:132] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 49 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 4; Maori Party 3. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Sue Moroney to clause 11 be agreed to: 
to add to subclause (1) “ in consultation with the Minister of Youth Affairs”.
Vote:  
Vote:  
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 49 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 4; Maori Party 3. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Sue Moroney to clause 11 be agreed to: 
to add to subclause (1) “in consultation with the Minister for Disability Issues”.
Vote:  
Vote:  
[Volume:654;Page:131] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 49 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 4; Maori Party 3. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Sue Moroney to clause 11 be agreed to: 
to add to subclause (1) “in consultation with the Minister of Education”.
Vote:  
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[Volume:654;Page:131] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 49 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 4; Maori Party 3. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Sue Moroney to clause 11 be agreed to: 
to add to subclause (1) “in consultation with the Minister of Women’s Affairs”.
Vote:  
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[Volume:654;Page:131] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 49 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 4; Maori Party 3. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Shane Jones to clause 11 be agreed to: 
to add to subclause (1) “in consultation with all members of Parliament who hold electorate seats both general and Maori within the Auckland district”.
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Hon DARREN HUGHES (Senior Whip—Labour) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. Surely that is the Minister of Pacific Island Affairs. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Yes that is correct. I am afraid my wording here is different. I thank the member; I will put the question on the amendment again. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Shane Jones to clause 11 be agreed to: 
to add to subclause (2) “in consultation with the Minister of Pacific Island Affairs”.
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[Volume:654;Page:130] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 49 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 4; Maori Party 3. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: The following amendment in the name of the Hon Shane Jones is to amend clause 11(2) by adding the words “in consultation with the Minister of Pacific Affairs”—
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[Volume:654;Page:130] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 49 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 4; Maori Party 3. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Shane Jones to clause 11 be agreed to: 
to add to subclause (1) “in consultation with the spokesperson on ethnic affairs”.
Vote:  
Vote:  
[Volume:654;Page:130] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 49 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 4; Maori Party 3. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Shane Jones to clause 11 be agreed to: 
to add to subclause (1) “in consultation with the Opposition spokesperson on Maori affairs”.
Vote:  
Vote:  
[Volume:654;Page:130] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 49 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 4; Maori Party 3. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Shane Jones to clause 11 be agreed to: 
to add to subclause (1) “in consultation with the Opposition spokesperson on Pacific Island affairs”.
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[Volume:654;Page:129] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 49 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 4; Maori Party 3. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Shane Jones to clause 11 be agreed to: 
to add to subclause (1) “in consultation with the Minister for Ethnic Affairs”.
Vote:  
Vote:  
[Volume:654;Page:129] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 49 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 4; Maori Party 3. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Shane Jones to clause 11 be agreed to: 
to add to subclause (1) “in consultation with the Minister of Pacific Island Affairs”.
Vote:  
Vote:  
[Volume:654;Page:129] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 49 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 4; Maori Party 3. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Shane Jones to clause 11 be agreed to: 
to add to subclause (1) “in consultation with the Minister of Maori Affairs”.
Vote:  
Vote:  
[Volume:654;Page:129] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 49 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 4; Maori Party 3. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon David Parker to clause 15 be agreed to: 
to add the following new paragraph: 
(c)Nothing in this section enables the Transition Agency to alter the second tier of governance for the Auckland region as outlined in this Act.
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[Volume:654;Page:128] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 50 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 4; Maori Party 4. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon David Parker to clause 13 be agreed to: 
to omit from subclause (2)(a) “develop an organisational structure” and substitute “develop an organisational structure and a second tier of governance for the Auckland region consisting of seven local councils”.
Vote:  
Vote:  
[Volume:654;Page:128] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 49 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 4; Maori Party 3. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon David Parker to clause 13 be agreed to: 
to insert in subclause (2)(a) after “1 November 2010” “including for local councils”.
Vote:  
Vote:  
[Volume:654;Page:128] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 49 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 4; Maori Party 3. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon David Parker to clause 13 be agreed to: 
to add to subclause (1)(c) the following new subparagraph: 
(vii)establishing a second tier of governance for the Auckland region consisting of seven local councils.
Vote:  
Vote:  
[Volume:654;Page:128] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 64 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Noes 50 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 4; Maori Party 4. 
Amendment agreed to. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: The amendment in the name of Carol Beaumont to add new subclause (7) to clause 36 is ruled out of order as it is inconsistent with a previous decision of the Committee. The amendment in the name of Carol Beaumont to add new clause 36(4A) has also been ruled out as it is inconsistent with a previous decision of the Committee. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon David Parker to clause 13 be agreed to: 
to add to subclause (1)(b) “and on any matter including on any issues relating to community boards.”