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Okeroa Mahara: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume 
Okeroa Mahara: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
[Sitting date: 15 October 2003. Volume:612;Page:9176. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
10.  
MAHARA OKEROA (Labour—Te Tai Tonga) 
 to the  
Minister for Sport and Recreation 
: What is the Government currently doing to ensure at-risk population groups are effectively targeted through physical activity interventions? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Minister for Sport and Recreation) 
: 
 Sport and Recreation New Zealand is undertaking a major survey on the physical activity and eating habits of New Zealanders. The research moves beyond just documenting the physical activity and nutrition habits of New Zealanders and focuses on why people do or do not engage in specific behaviours. 
Mahara Okeroa 
: Why is the promotion of physical activity critical? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: Physical activity reduces the risk of cardiovascular disease some cancers and diabetes and has mental health benefits. In New Zealand physical inactivity is associated with up to 3000 premature deaths per year coming close to smoking and poor nutrition as a modifiable risk factor for poor health. That is five times higher than the road toll. That is why I welcome additional physical activity by New Zealanders and I want to ask Mr Peters whether it is true that John Kirwan has given him a phone call.
Vote: Television New Zealand Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Television New Zealand Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:606;Page:3809] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 3 as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 69 
Noes 48 
Part 3 as amended agreed to. 
Labour 52; Green Party 9; United Future 8. 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8. 
Part 4Ministers and editorial independence
Simich Clem: Ngati Awa Claims Settlement Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Simich Clem: Ngati Awa Claims Settlement Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:623;Page:18734] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich) 
: I repeat that the Speaker covered that precise point. That is exactly what the Speaker covered.
Hunt Jonathan: Corrections Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Hunt Jonathan: Corrections Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:617;Page:13159] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I will certainly have a look at that matter.
Barnett Tim: Anglican (Diocese of Christchurch) Church Property Trust Bill — Second Reading Third Reading 
Barnett Tim: Anglican (Diocese of Christchurch) Church Property Trust Bill — Second Reading Third Reading 
[Volume:608;Page:5201] 
TIM BARNETT (NZ Labour—Christchurch Central) 
: 
 I move  
That the Anglican (Diocese of Christchurch) Church Property Trust Bill be now read a second time 
. I am delighted with the work done on this short bill of long gestation by our Commerce Committee. I am pleased to be able to commend the bill as now amended back to the House. The legislation has a simple purpose: to consolidate and modernise the legislation relating to the property of the Anglican Church in the diocese of Christchurch. As such it really is a successor to a number of provincial government ordinances and 10 Acts of Parliament ranging from 1854 through to 1990. 
The bill has three key features—to consolidate and amend the enactments relating to the Church Property Trustees to widen those trustees’ powers of investment and to apply the variation of trust provisions in the Anglican Church Trusts Act to trusts under the Act. The select committee focused on what one could regard as the modern elements that we need to look at in any piece of legislation. It proposed a series of amendments all of which have the support of the sponsors of the bill. Firstly the definition of the term “spouse” is changed in order to ensure that it includes a de facto partner secondly there is an amendment to exclude the bishop of the diocese from meetings where matters in which the bishop has a personal interest arise and thirdly clause 51 is amended to acknowledge that the Church Property Trustees continues to be an authorised trust board. I thank the committee for its work and on that basis I commend the bill as reported back from the Commerce Committee to the House.
Hide Rodney: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Hide Rodney: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:625;Page:20044] 
RODNEY HIDE (Leader—ACT) 
: 
 I seek leave to table a document dated 29 November 1993 in which Helen Clark “hits back” against a campaign of fear intimidation and hate calls to MPs. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to table that document. Is there any objection? Yes there is objection.
Mallard Trevor: Public Finance (State Sector Management) Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume 
Mallard Trevor: Public Finance (State Sector Management) Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Sitting date: 14 December 2004. Volume:622;Page:17882. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Associate Minister of Finance) 
: 
 I shall take a brief call on this part because I think it is appropriate at some stage to remind members of the history of this legislation and to place on the record of the Committee my thanks to the Hon Simon Upton for the work he did in the preparation organisation and initial policy work that led to this legislation. It is a way to introduce consistency— 
Sandra Goudie 
: Bound to be deserted by this current Government. 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: The member should not refer to Simon Upton in that way. I think it is most inappropriate. Mr Upton— 
Brian Connell 
: I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. You may not have heard but I heard my colleague very clearly. She did not comment on Simon Upton at all. She said— 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich) 
: No that is not a point of order. 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: The brief point I shall make is that Mr Upton left a legacy of quite a lot of policy work in this area. We held a debriefing as good Ministers do. I had an excellent debriefing with Mr Upton; I could not say quite the same about Dr Smith “junior”. However I had a very good debriefing and Mr Upton indicated to me that one of the ways in which he would measure the performance of this Government would be to see whether we had progressed this legislation in roughly the same form. It has been slightly improved. The review of the central part has been helpful and I am sure that when Mr Upton makes it back to the country and looks at the legislation he will be well pleased.
Business Statement 
Business Statement 
[Volume:627;Page:21897] 
Thursday 23 June 2005 
Madam Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Prayers 
. 
Business Statement 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 At the conclusion of business today the House will go into a 4-week adjournment. When the House resumes on Tuesday 26 July priority will be given to the Appropriations (2005/06 Estimates) Bill. The first Wednesday of that week will be a members’ day. 
GERRY BROWNLEE (Deputy Leader—National) 
: 
 Noticing the controversy that has arisen in the last couple of days around access to the Australian market for New Zealand apples I wonder what the Government’s intention is for item 19 on the Order Paper the Conservation (Protection of Trout as a Non-commercial Species) Amendment Bill given that this would appear to be one of the major blocks to allowing Australian apples into New Zealand. Could the Leader of the House perhaps tell us whether this bill would allow that particular problem to subside? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I think it is most unlikely the bill will pass before the election. I am not aware of any applications by Australian trout to enter our waters but of course we are keen that people can have access up our waterways to get to the trout. 
GERRY BROWNLEE (Deputy Leader—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. I remark that given recent events in the Immigration Service that have been pointed out by others I do not think the member can be at all sure of that. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: I thank the member for that comment.
Mapp Wayne: Ngati Tuwharetoa (Bay of Plenty) Claims Settlement Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Mapp Wayne: Ngati Tuwharetoa (Bay of Plenty) Claims Settlement Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:625;Page:20208] 
Dr WAYNE MAPP (National—North Shore) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. It is a fresh point of order. It is an issue of tense. I did not use future tense; I used past tense. I am absolutely clear on that point and I invite Mr Jones to reflect upon that point. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich) 
: I take your point Dr Mapp.
Choudhary Ashraf: Forests Amendment Bill — Consideration of Report of Local Government and Environment Committee 
Choudhary Ashraf: Forests Amendment Bill — Consideration of Report of Local Government and Environment Committee 
[Volume:617;Page:12610] 
Dr ASHRAF CHOUDHARY (Labour) 
: 
 I take this opportunity to support this bill. As a member of the Local Government and Environment Committee I have had a good opportunity to look at this bill. I am delighted that this Government has introduced this bill and I fully support it.
Jones Dail: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Jones Dail: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
[Volume:612;Page:9263] 
11.  
DAIL JONES (NZ First) 
 to the  
Associate Minister of Education (Tertiary Education) 
: Is his intention for tertiary education to ensure that New Zealanders who gain tertiary qualifications are able to gain employment? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Minister of Education) 
 on behalf of the 
Associate Minister of Education (Tertiary Education) 
: I refer the member to strategy 4 of the tertiary education strategy and effectively it means “wherever appropriate”. 
Dail Jones 
: What is the Minister’s priority to ensure that New Zealand medical students who graduate from New Zealand medical schools are not prevented from obtaining jobs as first-year medical officers by foreign fee-paying medical students as is the case at present? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: It is an issue in some areas but it is my understanding that throughout the country there are plenty of jobs for people in that category. 
Jill Pettis 
: What advice has he received on the success of the tertiary education system in ensuring that New Zealanders who gain tertiary qualifications are able to gain employment? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: The answer to that question would be too long because there is so much involved. It is great news in the employment area under this Government. 
Dail Jones 
: Is the Minister aware that his answer to the first supplementary question is inconsistent with the view expressed by the Resident Doctors Association general secretary Deborah Powell who said it was clear that foreign students graduating from New Zealand medical schools are now competing with New Zealanders and that at present 31.4 percent of all medical students in New Zealand schools are now from foreign areas and are getting priority over New Zealanders—in many cases at our medical institutions—requiring New Zealand medically trained people to go overseas? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: Firstly I would never rely on Deborah Powell for accurate information and secondly there is not a policy for giving foreign students priority.
Vote: New Organisms and Other Matters Bill — In Committee 
Vote: New Organisms and Other Matters Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:612;Page:8947] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 11 
Green Party 9; Progressive 2. 
Noes 104 
New Zealand Labour 52; New Zealand National 26; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 8. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 146 in the name of Dr Paul Hutchison to add new subsection (3) to new section 38(D) in clause 18 be agreed to.
Hartley Ann: Resource Management (Energy and Climate Change) Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Hartley Ann: Resource Management (Energy and Climate Change) Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:615;Page:11335] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: Before I call Mr Ardern I advise members the vote numbers were given incorrectly in the vote on Part 2. The numbers should have been Ayes 62 Noes 54. I ask that members accept that correction.
Vote: New Organisms and Other Matters Bill — First Reading 
Vote: New Organisms and Other Matters Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:608;Page:5350] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the motion be agreed to. 
Ayes 82 
Noes 32 
Motion agreed to. 
Labour 52; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8. 
New Zealand National 27; ACT New Zealand 5.
Okeroa Mahara: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Okeroa Mahara: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:613;Page:10237] 
12.  
MAHARA OKEROA (Labour—Te Tai Tonga) 
 to the  
Associate Minister for Economic Development 
: What initiatives has the Government implemented to build capacity in the Maori tourism business sector? 
Hon DOVER SAMUELS (Associate Minister for Economic Development) 
: 
 Kei te tautoko tenei Kawanatanga i nga kaupapa kia tu matarae ai te iwi Maori I roto o nga mahi tapoi. The Government has introduced a range of initiatives to assist Maori into tourism. For example the Community Employment Group has launched he kete tapoi Maori a resource kit designed specifically to assist Maori communities that wish to take up the opportunities in tourism and to develop their own unique tourism product. Initiatives include the Maori Business Facilitation Service via Te Puni Kokiri and BIZinfo and BIZ training services both available through New Zealand Trade and Enterprise. 
Mahara Okeroa 
: How is the Potama Trust working with the Government to develop the capacity of the Maori tourism sector? 
Hon DOVER SAMUELS 
: The Potama Trust actively works with the Government in developing Maori tourism through business assessments development grants and subsiding the attendance of some Maori operators at key trade events such as Kiwilink and Trenz. Furthermore they are presently developing a database for all Maori tourism businesses and operators right through Aotearoa. 
I seek leave to table the he kete tapoi Maori initiatives that have been put together by the Government to assist Maori into the opportunity and workings of tourism right throughout Aotearoa. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to table. Is there any objection? There is objection.
Vote: Foreshore and Seabed Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Foreshore and Seabed Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:621;Page:17121] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 10 
Green Party 9; Maori Party 1. 
Noes 107 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 6; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Metiria Turei to clause 101 be agreed to: 
to insert in new clauses 2(2)(c) 3(1)(e) 5(4)(g) and 20(4)(g) of the First Schedule of the principal Act after the word “orders” in each case the words “ customary rights orders or territorial customary rights orders”.
Cullen Michael: Speaker’s Rulings — Privileges of the House and Speaker's Actions 
Cullen Michael: Speaker’s Rulings — Privileges of the House and Speaker's Actions 
[Volume:611;Page:8739] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
:  
I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. The inference from the last sentence of the member’s point of order was that he was implying that in some way you might be treating Mr Ardern differently from Mr Duynhoven. I understand from the little I have managed to listen to from the House over the last 2 or 3 weeks that the main complaint from Opposition members was that you did not deal with Mr Duynhoven’s case quickly enough at the time. Now they seem to be claiming that you dealt with it extremely expeditiously. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: No that is not a point of order.
Barker Rick: Building Bill — In Committee 
Barker Rick: Building Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:619;Page:14779] 
Hon RICK BARKER (Minister for Courts) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Beyer Georgina: Third Readings 
Beyer Georgina: Third Readings 
[Volume:620;Page:16128] 
GEORGINA BEYER (Labour—Wairarapa) 
: 
 The range of electrifying speeches we have heard this afternoon—particularly the one by the member who has just resumed his seat—means that we have avoided the sleeping gas we might all otherwise have suffered. 
In speaking to the third reading of the electricity and gas industries legislation it would be helpful to remind members and other interested listeners what this legislation is about. The objectives of the Government for both electricity and gas are to have energy delivered to consumers in a safe efficient fair reliable and environmentally sustainable way. This legislation will take us further towards that goal. It puts in place all the decisions made by the Government this year on electricity supply security and the governance of all the electricity and gas industries. It will provide certainty and stability in the electricity and gas industries. 
The legislation contains measures to promote security of supply consumer protection and competition and to improve the governance of the electricity and gas industries. That is imperative considering the importance of those industries to New Zealand’s continued economic growth and prosperity. At the same time this legislation will enable us to continue our progress towards greater energy efficiency and a sustainable energy future. Mr Copeland in expressing his party’s support for this legislation has seen the light—which is a lot more than could have been said if we had continued under the failed reforms of Max Bradford. I will not continue—I was going to take only a brief call. I am very pleased to be supporting this legislation.
Cosgrove Clayton: Debate on Crown Entities Public Organisations and State Enterprises 
Cosgrove Clayton: Debate on Crown Entities Public Organisations and State Enterprises 
[Volume:609;Page:6212] 
CLAYTON COSGROVE (NZ Labour—Waimakariri) 
: 
 As I finished my speech last night I was talking about the fantastic performance of an entity called Landcorp. It is an illustration of what a State-owned enterprise can do if it is given a consistent direction and has certainty about the longevity of its operations. This Government is committed to a State-owned enterprise model as a long-term shareholder and opposed to the sort of hold-for-sale stance of its predecessor Government the National Party. 
Landcorp made a profit of $38 million and when we came into Government the Primary Production Committee was advised by board members that under us—a Labour-led Government—they could at last put in place long-term business strategies and grow the business. The problem they had under the previous National administration was that Landcorp was always classed as an asset that was to be put on the block for sale. If one is running a business—as I have and other members have—one knows that without certainty one cannot put in place decent long-term business strategies and plans from which to grow that business and its profits. So what Landcorp—one of our leading agricultural entities and an asset of which the Crown is the custodian—has been able to do is provide the taxpayer with a $38 million profit. That is the difference I suppose between members opposite and us. As I said last night we are doers and builders; we are not wreckers and vandals. We do not sell off the family silver as they do. 
An illustration of that as I pointed out last night is the National Party’s position on State-owned enterprises in respect of Tranz Rail. As members know this Government is in the process of purchasing back the track and when Mr Sowry the Opposition spokesperson was asked by a Minister of Transport what he would he would do if he inherited that track as purchased by us he said: “We will wait and see.” That tells the people of New Zealand that the National Party has for the first time announced a policy. That policy is a recycling of a State-owned enterprise policy that was rejected in not one but two elections. The New Zealand people now know that if National got back—heaven forbid and it will not happen for a very long time—it would again embark on an asset sales programme that would involve the sale of the Accident Compensation Corporation which we took back into ownership to fulfil a promise. It would involve the sale of the Tranz Rail track; the sale—even though it is not classed as an State-owned enterprise—of the existing shares in Air New Zealand; the sale of hospitals schools and the like. 
I am glad that policy is out in the open. I know that Simon Power an up and coming leader of the National Party is not glad it is out in the open. We can now go to the stump at the next election and tell the New Zealand people what we truly know and it is that the National Party is a sell sell sell party. 
Debate interrupted.
Franks Stephen: Electoral Matters Bill — Second Reading 
Franks Stephen: Electoral Matters Bill — Second Reading 
[Volume:621;Page:16752] 
STEPHEN FRANKS (ACT) 
: 
 First on the question of the Supplementary Order Paper to prevent local authorities from interfering with free speech in electoral advertising I believe that it will be possible to produce some provisions that all parties should agree to. I hope to work with the Minister to improve the wording on the draft that has been circulated. It appears to me that the fears people have that this is an attempt by the Cabinet to get control of advertising could have been avoided if that had been made clear in the draft. It has not been but I think that it can be done. Much more important is that this bill is the sort of routine tidy-up that occurs after every election when issues are raised. But this time it goes to some reasonably crucial issues and in particular electronic advertising. 
One of the features of the New Zealand electoral scene is the vital control exercised by a few journalists. When Television One decides what it is going to cover in an election TV3 tends to follow suit and the other media regard what is being dealt with on television as the election issues. If that had been the case in the United States or in Australia for example there might well have been completely different election outcomes because in those countries election speech can be a debate between— 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I am sorry to interrupt the honourable member. The time has come for me to leave the Chair for the dinner break. 
Sitting suspended from 6 p.m. to 7.30 p.m.
Heatley Phil: Resource Management (Aquaculture Moratorium Extension) Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Heatley Phil: Resource Management (Aquaculture Moratorium Extension) Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:616;Page:11644] 
PHIL HEATLEY (National—Whangarei) 
: 
 Members will know from the history of this bill through the House and the select committee that National opposes the bill generally. But we take this opportunity to speak in the part by part debate because there are specific issues that we want to resolve in this bill if the Government insists on ramming it through and further destroying and undermining the aquaculture industry in this country. I will be tabling a number of amendments during the course of this afternoon and this evening on this particular matter and I would like to signal to the Chair that I would like two calls at least on this part. I appreciate that that is at the Chairperson’s discretion but I have quite a number of amendments that I believe would improve the bill. 
First of all I have an amendment to the commencement date which at present is the day after the date on which the bill receives the royal assent. My amendment would mean that the commencement date would be the date following the next general election. The reason I say that is that the National Party will not do it after the next general election. 
Lindsay Tisch 
: I raise a point of order Madam Chairperson. I am sorry to interrupt my colleague but when we started this debate there were no officials in the Chamber. They have walked in only just now. My view is that the officials come into the Chamber at the time the debate starts not a couple of minutes into it.
Wilson Margaret: Visitors — Canada—Speaker of the House of Commons 
Wilson Margaret: Visitors — Canada—Speaker of the House of Commons 
[Volume:627;Page:22163] 
Madam SPEAKER 
: I have much pleasure in informing members that the Hon Peter Milliken MP Speaker of the House of Commons Canada is within the precincts of this Chamber. I am sure that members would wish that he be welcomed and accorded a seat on the left of the Chair. 
The House will also wish to welcome members of his delegation who are present in the gallery.
Vote: Building Bill — In Committee Procedure 
Vote: Building Bill — In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:619;Page:14842] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 2 as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 83 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 35 
New Zealand National 27; ACT New Zealand 7; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Part 2 as amended agreed to.
Power Simon: Voting — Correction 
Power Simon: Voting — Correction 
[Volume:626;Page:21446] 
SIMON POWER (Senior Whip—National) 
: 
 I seek the leave of the House to amend the vote taken on behalf of the National Party on the third reading of the Tariff (New Zealand - Thailand Closer Economic Partnership) Bill. 
Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to amend that vote. Is there any objection? No. 
SIMON POWER 
: I incorrectly cast National’s vote as 27; it should have been 24. 
Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: I thank the member. That has been recorded.
Benson-Pope David: Immigration Amendment Bill (No 2) — Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
Benson-Pope David: Immigration Amendment Bill (No 2) — Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:609;Page:6788] 
DAVID BENSON-POPE (Senior Whip—NZ Labour) 
: I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Hartley Ann: Human Assisted Reproductive Technology Bill — In Committee Procedure 
Hartley Ann: Human Assisted Reproductive Technology Bill — In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:621;Page:16347] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: Yes but the proper course is for the Standing Orders Committee to look at it and that certainly can be done as was suggested originally. Did Mr Brown want to add something more?
Yates Dianne: Electricity and Gas Industries Bill — In Committee 
Yates Dianne: Electricity and Gas Industries Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:620;Page:15729] 
DIANNE YATES (Labour—Hamilton East) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Power Simon: Maori Fisheries Bill — In Committee 
Power Simon: Maori Fisheries Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:620;Page:15422] 
SIMON POWER (Senior Whip—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. That explanation addresses the first part of the Hon Dr Nick Smith’s point of order which related to the specificity of the comments made. It does not address the second point of my colleague’s point of order. It is I believe a breach of the Standing Orders for members to make a comment in the nature of a debating comment whilst they are moving about rather than being in a seat in the Chamber. I would ask for you to rule on that matter as well. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: The members are perfectly right on that particular issue: Speaker’s ruling 56/6 states that there shall be no interjections while a member is walking around.
Vote: Aquaculture Reform Bill — Second Reading Instructions to Committee In Committee 
Vote: Aquaculture Reform Bill — Second Reading Instructions to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:622;Page:17734] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 3 be agreed to. 
Ayes 83 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 36 
New Zealand National 27; ACT New Zealand 9. 
Part 3 agreed to.
Simich Clem: Ngati Tuwharetoa (Bay of Plenty) Claims Settlement Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Simich Clem: Ngati Tuwharetoa (Bay of Plenty) Claims Settlement Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:625;Page:20216] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich) 
: This includes debate on schedules 1 to 9.
Brownlee Gerry: Ngati Awa Claims Settlement Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Brownlee Gerry: Ngati Awa Claims Settlement Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:623;Page:18730] 
GERRY BROWNLEE (Deputy Leader—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. Because you have ruled this is now a procedural matter. I move  
That the Speaker be recalled 
. 
Motion agreed to and House resumed.
Kedgley Sue: Television New Zealand Bill — In Committee 
Kedgley Sue: Television New Zealand Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:606;Page:3820] 
SUE KEDGLEY (Green) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. There is considerable confusion around here about which of the many amendments we are voting on. I really would appreciate if you could read out at least the first sentence of any amendment.
Mackey Moana: Care of Children Bill Status of Children Amendment Bill — Third Readings 
Mackey Moana: Care of Children Bill Status of Children Amendment Bill — Third Readings 
[Volume:621;Page:16719] 
MOANA MACKEY (Labour) 
: 
 I am happy to rise in the House to support this legislation as a member of the Justice and Electoral Committee who was present for most of the 34 hours of deliberation that we spent on it. 
I find it very concerning that members in the House are trying to compare a young woman facing the incredibly traumatic possibility of an abortion—as it is for women of all ages and particularly for these young girls whom we are talking about—with her choosing what to wear to school that day or even comparing it with other medical procedures such as tonsillitis. We know that there is not a lot of stigma attached to tonsillitis. Kids are not scared to tell their parents that they have tonsillitis and will not try to take matters into their own hands. Tonsillitis is probably not a result of sexual abuse. I think it diminishes the debate we had on clause 37 to suggest that abortion is the same as any other procedure. 
I am pleased to support this legislation. I think the select committee did an awfully good job in many areas that because of the focus on clause 37 were not focused on in the Committee stage. I hope other speakers will pick up on in particular the changes we made to ensure a presumption of shared responsibility by parents and to remove the difficulties caused by ex parte orders under the Domestic Violence Act by providing time frames under which they have to be resolved. I think this legislation is extremely good and that it improve our guardianship laws greatly and I commend it to the House.
Vote: Credit Contracts and Consumer Finance Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Credit Contracts and Consumer Finance Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:611;Page:8728] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 69 
Labour 52; Green Party 9; United Future 8. 
Noes 48 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8. 
Motion agreed to.
Hughes Darren: Relationships (Statutory References) Bill — In Committee 
Hughes Darren: Relationships (Statutory References) Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:624;Page:19099] 
DARREN HUGHES (Junior Whip—Labour: 
 As we are now about to move to the votes on the schedules which are not debatable and pursuant to agreement with the whips from the other parties around the Chamber I seek leave for the Minister’s amendments to schedules 1AA to 12 to be put as one question; for schedules 1AA to 12 as amended to be put as one question; for the Committee to then move to vote on both of Mr Franks’ amendments to schedule 13 on the Minister’s amendments to schedule 13 and then on schedule 13 as amended; for the Minister’s amendments to schedules 13A to 15 to be put as one question and then schedules 13A to 15 as amended to be put as one question. This will result in eight personal votes on the schedules in the Committee stage. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich) 
: Leave has been sought for that course to be followed. Is there any objection? There appears to be none. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 333 in the name of the Hon David Benson-Pope to schedules 1AA 6A 7 11 and 12 and the following amendments in his name to schedule 7 be agreed to: 
to insert in Part 1 after the expression “25(1)(a)(ii) the expression “and (6)”; 
to insert in Part 2 after the expression “65(1) the expression “and (2)”; and 
to insert in Part 4 the following items: 
Section 37A(1) 
Insert before the words “de facto” the words “civil union or”; 
Heading above section 42 
Omit the words “ 
de facto 
”.
Vote: Customs and Excise (Motor Spirits) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Customs and Excise (Motor Spirits) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:623;Page:18624] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That clause 2 be agreed to. 
Ayes 71 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2; Maori Party 1. 
Noes 49 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 9. 
Clause 2 agreed to. 
Progress reported.
Parker David: Motions — Southern Institute of Technology—Ombudsman's Recommendations 
Parker David: Motions — Southern Institute of Technology—Ombudsman's Recommendations 
[Volume:619;Page:15091] 
DAVID PARKER (Labour—Otago) 
: 
 I intend to take a brief call and to tell Mr Eckhoff that the Office of the Ombudsmen is there to protect citizens against abuses by arms of the State. Those arms of the State— 
Gerrard Eckhoff 
: So are the courts. You as a lawyer should know that. 
DAVID PARKER 
: I am a lawyer so the member should listen. Those arms of the State include institutions established under the Education Act like this polytechnic. There are many parties to disputes be they through the court or through the Ombudsman who disagree with the outcome when it goes against them but they have to accept the outcome. The Southern Institute of Technology must abide by the decision of the Ombudsman. This is a matter of principle that Parliament cannot let go unchecked. The Southern Institute of Technology needs to pull its head in and do what the Ombudsman says it should. 
Motion agreed to.
Vote: Fair Trading Amendment Bill (No 3) — In Committee 
Vote: Fair Trading Amendment Bill (No 3) — In Committee 
[Volume:609;Page:6863] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand National 26; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; Green Party 9. 
Noes 60 
Labour 52; United Future 8. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Tony Ryall to clause 15 be agreed to: 
to omit clause 15.
Peters Winston: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Peters Winston: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:608;Page:5471] 
10. RON MARK (NZ First) 
 on behalf of  
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First) 
 to the  
Minister of Justice 
: What specific checks and ongoing monitoring occurs with respect to offenders serving all or part of their sentence under home detention and who specifically carries out this role? 
Hon MARGARET WILSON (Associate Minister of Justice) 
 on behalf of the 
 Minister of Justice 
: The checks and monitoring of offenders serving a sentence of home detention are the responsibility of the Probation Service. The checks and monitoring undertaken include continuous electronic monitoring and face-to-face meetings with the probation officer. The electronic monitoring is conducted by Chubb Security. 
Ron Mark 
: Who audits the systems and the personnel responsible for checking and monitoring home detention detainees in order to confirm that they are properly monitored and supervised and to ensure that incidences of reoffending are noted and prosecuted? 
Hon MARGARET WILSON 
: That is the responsibility of the Probation Service. 
Lynne Pillay 
: Can the Minister confirm that home detention was first piloted under a National Government? 
Hon MARGARET WILSON 
: Yes. Legislation passed in 1993 in the form of an amendment to the Criminal Justice Act allowed for the setting up of the pilot programme for home detention. The first person commenced home detention in March 1995 and an evaluation was completed in 1997 also under a National Government. 
Ron Mark 
: If the monitoring and auditing systems for checking home detention detainees are so thorough and so complete how as I highlighted yesterday is a person on home detention able to abuse a woman beat her run up massive debts in her name and not be prosecuted? 
Hon MARGARET WILSON 
: The probation officer provided a report to the Parole Board. It was the Parole Board that made the decision. The Parole Board is an independent body that is responsible for that decision.
Tisch Lindsay: Employment Relations Law Reform Bill — In Committee 
Tisch Lindsay: Employment Relations Law Reform Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:620;Page:16194] 
LINDSAY TISCH (Junior Whip—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. The point that I brought to your attention earlier on is still a very valid point. This is very important legislation on which we on this side of the House want to have a say. There are still members on this side who have not made a contribution and Government members have continued to move closure motions. I asked for your indulgence earlier on. Dr Mapp who is a specialist in this area and has participated— 
Hon Trevor Mallard 
: Ha ha! 
LINDSAY TISCH 
: The Minister may laugh but Dr Mapp is a specialist in this area and he has been seeking a second call. In my own case I have not had a call on this part yet and I do have a valuable contribution to make on areas that have not been covered. I seek your indulgence to allow this debate to continue.
Vote: State Sector Amendment Bill (No 3) — First Reading 
Vote: State Sector Amendment Bill (No 3) — First Reading 
[Volume:614;Page:10642] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the State Sector Amendment Bill (No 3) be now read a first time. 
Ayes 82 
New Zealand Labour 52; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8. 
Noes 35 
New Zealand National 27; ACT New Zealand 7; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Bill read a first time.
Vote: Third Readings 
Vote: Third Readings 
[Volume:607;Page:4838] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Treaty of Waitangi Amendment Bill be now read a third time. 
Ayes 108 
Noes 8 
Bill read a third time. 
Labour 52; New Zealand National 26; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8. 
ACT New Zealand 8. 
Broadcasting Amendment Bill read a third time. 
Maori Land Amendment and Maori Land Claims Adjustment Amendment Bill read a third time.
Smith Murray: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Smith Murray: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
[Volume:620;Page:15965] 
1.  
MURRAY SMITH (United Future) 
 to the  
Chairperson of the Justice and Electoral Committee 
: Were any submitters to the Civil Union Bill who asked to give an oral submission incorrectly coded as having not requested to appear before the committee; if so how many? 
TIM BARNETT (Chairperson of the Justice and Electoral Committee) 
: 
 So far as the committee and its staff are aware one submission out of the 6236 received by the committee was incorrectly coded leading to the submitter not being offered an opportunity to be heard by the committee. 
Murray Smith 
: Can he confirm that apart from any submitters denied a hearing due to administrative error the committee has heard all submitters who requested to be heard; if so is he prepared to recommend to the committee that submitters who asked to be heard should not be denied the right given to everyone else simply because they were the subject of an error entirely outside their control; if not why not? 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The question can be asked of the member but he answers as chairperson of the committee and of course he cannot answer on behalf of the committee. 
TIM BARNETT 
: I can confirm that during the process of hearing evidence the committee heard 352 submissions. As the member well knows the committee has no obligation to hear every submitter who requests to make an oral presentation although we aspire to do so. At any stage the member could have provided committee staff or myself as chair of the committee with details of submitters who had approached him concerned that their desire to be heard had not been acted on. He has not done that. The committee has now completed its hearing of submissions.
Brownlee Gerry: Principles of the Treaty of Waitangi Deletion Bill — First Reading 
Brownlee Gerry: Principles of the Treaty of Waitangi Deletion Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:626;Page:21172] 
GERRY BROWNLEE (Deputy Leader—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. Can you explain how it is that we get only a 5-minute slot. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: We are dealing with members’ bills and those members who move the motion and have the first right of reply always have 10 minutes and all other members have 5. That is the order of the list I have in front of me.
Peck Mark: Parental Leave and Employment Protection Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Peck Mark: Parental Leave and Employment Protection Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:617;Page:13366] 
MARK PECK (Labour—Invercargill) 
: 
 I do not intend to speak very long on this bill except to make two points that have been lost in the debate today. A lot has been said about the role of mothers and I congratulate my colleagues Ruth Dyson and Stevie Chadwick in particular on the addresses they made in the debate. Stevie Chadwick as we know now has her second grandchild and good on her. 
Two things need to be said. Firstly a Department of Labour survey on the way in which the employment protection legislation has been working in the last little while found very good support for it amongst employers. This particular legislation will provide for an extension of the scheme to a greater number of workers. One of the reasons we want to do that is to retain skills. 
One thing that has been missing in this debate is any understanding at all on the economics of the provisions. It is quite simple. There has been some sort of suggestion that the money will go out of employers’ pockets and into the pockets of the person taking parental leave—the mother taking parental leave as it will be by and large—and that that is where it will sit. Anybody who has done even a rudimentary level of economics will know that money is made to go around. Essentially there are two markets. There are the markets for goods and services which is where the workers are and there are the markets for the factors of labour which is where the employers are and employers will get the return. That money will go back into the pockets of employers and businesses. The community as a whole will benefit from this particular change to the parental leave legislation. The bill is good and I support it. 
Opposition Member 
: How’s your varsity studies going? 
MARK PECK 
: My varsity studies are going very well.
Vote: Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims Bill — In Committee Procedure Third Reading 
Vote: Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims Bill — In Committee Procedure Third Reading 
[Volume:626;Page:20978] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 55 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 7; United Future 8. 
Noes 62 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Marc Alexander to clause 14(2) be agreed to: 
to omit paragraphs (d) (e) and (g).
Vote: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Procedure Referral to Health Committee Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Vote: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Procedure Referral to Health Committee Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:610;Page:7955] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That clause 1 be agreed to. 
Ayes 68 
Labour 52; New Zealand National 3; New Zealand First 4; Green Party 9. 
Noes 49 
New Zealand National 24; New Zealand First 9; ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 8. 
Clause 1 agreed to.
Vote: Credit Contracts and Consumer Finance Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Credit Contracts and Consumer Finance Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:611;Page:8703] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 69 
Labour 52; Green Party 9; United Future 8. 
Noes 48 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8. 
Motion agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Tony Ryall to clause 2 be agreed to: 
to insert in subclause (2)(b) after the word “Council” the words “but no sooner than two years after the Royal assent”.
Mark Ron: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Mark Ron: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:627;Page:21912] 
RON MARK (NZ First) 
: 
 I notice that the Minister of Police is not here. I seek the leave of the House to have this question deferred and held over until the Minister of Police can bother showing up. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought. Is there any objection? There is. Would the member please ask the question.
Vote: Corrections Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Corrections Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:617;Page:13145] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That schedule 2 be agreed to. 
Ayes 62 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; Progressive 2. 
Noes 54 
New Zealand National 26; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 6; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Schedule 2 agreed to.
Business Statement 
Business Statement 
[Volume:624;Page:19679] 
Thursday 7 April 2005 
Madam Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Prayers 
. 
Business Statement 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 Next week in the House it is the Government’s intention to take urgency for the week. The bills for consideration are likely to include the Legislation (Incorporation by Reference) Bill including the Supplementary Order Paper relating to Building Act matters the Gambling Amendment Bill the Railways Bill the Architects Bill the Charities Bill the New Zealand Superannuation Amendment Bill the Public Records Bill the Crimes Amendment Bill (No 2) the Fiordland Marine Management Bill the Identity (Citizenship and Travel Documents) Bill the Injury Prevention Rehabilitation and Compensation Amendment Bill (No 3) the Courts and Criminal Matters Bill and the first readings on the Order Paper. 
GERRY BROWNLEE (Deputy Leader—National) 
: 
 Does the Leader of the House intend allowing the House to have question time next week on Wednesday and Thursday which is the time when the Opposition has an opportunity to question the Government about the way in which it is running the country? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 No but of course if we could arrive at an arrangement about the length of question time for the remainder of this Parliament I am sure I could make that time available. 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 Can I ask Dr Cullen why we need urgency next week when he abandoned proceedings in the House last night and we are shortly to contemplate a month away from this place in an adjournment. How could the public and anyone who is halfway sane believe there is a need for urgency in those circumstances? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 Last night of course the business we would have got on to was reports of select committees which is not Government business and we are not taking urgency for that business.