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Ngaro Alfred: Social Assistance (Living Alone Payments) Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
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Ngaro Alfred: Social Assistance (Living Alone Payments) Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
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ALFRED NGARO (National) 
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 I rise to take a call on the third reading of the Social Assistance (Living Alone Payments) Amendment Bill. First of all Mr Deputy Speaker can I start by wishing you a happy Easter and also all of our colleagues and parliamentarians in the House and the rest of New Zealand. 
Yes Easter is a time of rest and relaxation but it is often a time of reflection. It is at these times that those who are vulnerable and deserving in our communities—our elderly those who have served who have saved and who have given their life to civil society to contributing—may reflect. And at these times when they do reflect I think the question that will be asked is how this bill has made a difference in their lives and whether it can make a difference. We would like to say that it does. 
In the words of Le’aufa’amulia Asenati Lole-Taylor the previous speaker to this bill let us do it right. Well we are. There may be minor changes in this bill but they are major in regard to the impact and effect on the very people we want to serve. As the previous speaker said let us take care of those who have cared for us. Over many years they have paid their taxes and they have contributed in voluntary ways to our society to our communities to our families and to our homes. That is what this bill does. It does two very simple things and it addresses two issues. 
The bill addresses the issues in regard to the current living alone payments to ensure that superannuitants and veterans pensioners living alone do not have to make separate applications. I know that has been repeated over and over again. In other words in plain English it simply brings the two into one. It makes it easier and therefore they do not have to go and reapply. In fact on many occasions they do not know to apply for the living alone payment and to do so within the given time period of 28 days. So in fact they often do not claim it. They often do not access this. What this bill will simply do is give an easier sense of access to allow them to access the support that they need in this regard. 
I think this is a caring bill. I think this is a bill that actually shows that to the rest of New Zealand especially those who at this time of reflection over Easter will simply say that they may not understand all the complexities of this bill but what they do understand is it has made things easier and more accessible in a very small way so that the vulnerable who need support—in this case our elderly our superannuitants our veterans and our war pensioners—will receive the support that they absolutely need. I am proud to commend this bill to the House.
Sabin Mike: Social Assistance (Living Alone Payments) Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
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Sabin Mike: Social Assistance (Living Alone Payments) Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
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MIKE SABIN (National—Northland) 
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 I am pleased to take a short call on this particular bill the Social Assistance (Living Alone Payments) Amendment Bill. We have heard some consternation from the other side in particular about the fact that this bill has languished on the Order Paper since 2009 but that seems to run in conflict with the need for some members to take exceedingly long calls and find ways to run their speeches sort of on loop. The cynic in me says that possibly it is because they would like to stall and delay the path of legislation but I would not like to take a cynical view. 
The reality is that much of the delay in terms of this matter coming to the House is due to the global financial crisis the Canterbury earthquakes and a massive legislative programme that is about keeping the focus on managing the Government’s finances on ensuring that we are building a more competitive and productive economy in Better Public Services and significant reforms going on there and on rebuilding Christchurch. So for the members who may concern themselves as to why this has taken so long those are four very good reasons that we may reflect on. 
Coming back to the bill it is a pragmatic and sensible bill. Although there has been some comment made across the House I think we can all share in the pragmatism reflected in the amendments that effectively see the New Zealand Super—what are we talking about here; let me reflect on it— 
Hon Amy Adams 
: Superannuation. 
MIKE SABIN 
: —superannuation that is the word I was looking for; I was getting tangled up with superannuitants—New Zealand Superannuation and Retirement Income Act and the War Pensions Act 1954 ensuring that single superannuitants and veterans on the pension who are living alone do not have to make dual applications. That seems infinitely pragmatic. 
Also the bill’s second main provision is that it is updating the definition of a dependent child. It has been well canvassed and I do not intend to traverse it too much more other than to say that what it will do is provide that single superannuitants and veterans on a pension with a dependent child will receive the new single living alone payment rate until the end of the calendar year in which that child turns 18 if they are in school or in training and if the child remains in the household the superannuitant will receive a new single sharing accommodation rate. 
I think I have pretty much traversed the extent of my notes. I am very happy to commend this bill. I must acknowledge the members on the other side for managing to fill up a full 10 minutes. They are an outstanding bunch on the other side in terms of their capacity to filibuster. I commend this bill to the House.
Roy Eric: Social Assistance (Living Alone Payments) Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
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Roy Eric: Social Assistance (Living Alone Payments) Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
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Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: The next call is a split call. Kris Faafoi for 5 minutes.
Ngaro Alfred: Student Loan Scheme Amendment Bill (No 2) — Third Reading 
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Ngaro Alfred: Student Loan Scheme Amendment Bill (No 2) — Third Reading 
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ALFRED NGARO (National) 
: 
 I take a short call on behalf of a colleague. I was not part of the Finance and Expenditure Committee but after that tower of Babylon doom and gloom over there the question that must be put is this: do they and will they support this bill the Student Loan Scheme Amendment Bill (No 2)? The answer is yes. I ask the New Zealand First members whether they do and will support the bill. The answer is yes. That is what the public want to hear. Despite all the goings-on they will support the bill. 
I simply want to answer the question asked of those members on the other side. Have they received a student loan and have they paid their student loan? I am one who has received a student loan. I have repaid that student loan. The question that this bill asks is this: is it fair and is it just that you should pay back that which you have received? The answer is yes. It is fair and it is just. I think what this bill does is fair and that is the reason it has support. It simply answers the question—that with an increase from 10c to 12c it is fair enough that the repayments mean that in a shortened space of time you can pay back what you have received what I have received and what many New Zealanders have received which is a great education through this Government. I commend this bill to the House.
Tisch Lindsay: Student Loan Scheme Amendment Bill (No 2) — Third Reading 
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The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Could I remind members just as a matter of interest—Asenati although you corrected yourself you cannot say “in support”. There have been occasions when the presiding officer has ruled out that vote so in the future just be mindful of that.
Vote: Student Loan Scheme Amendment Bill (No 2) — Third Reading 
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Vote: Student Loan Scheme Amendment Bill (No 2) — Third Reading 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Student Loan Scheme Amendment Bill (No 2) be now read a third time. 
Ayes 105 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 34; New Zealand First 7; Maori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1; Independent: Horan. 
Noes 15 
Green Party 14; Mana 1. 
Bill read a third time.
Upston Louise: Student Loan Scheme Amendment Bill (No 2) — Third Reading 
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Upston Louise: Student Loan Scheme Amendment Bill (No 2) — Third Reading 
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LOUISE UPSTON (National—Taupo) 
: 
 I have fantastic colleagues on this side of the House who have covered all the issues in this third reading of the Student Loan Scheme Amendment Bill (No 2) so I am proud to support it.
Robertson H V Ross: Student Loan Scheme Amendment Bill (No 2) — Third Reading 
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Robertson H V Ross: Student Loan Scheme Amendment Bill (No 2) — Third Reading 
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The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Have we quite finished? Good.
Dalziel Lianne: Personal Explanations — Tabling of Documents—Accuracy of Description of Documents 
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Dalziel Lianne: Personal Explanations — Tabling of Documents—Accuracy of Description of Documents 
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Hon LIANNE DALZIEL (Labour—Christchurch East) 
: 
 I seek leave to make a personal explanation in respect of the description of the documents that I referred to in the House during the urgent question. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Thank you. The member has been quite clear. Is there any objection to that course of action being taken? There is none. The member may make a personal explanation. 
Hon LIANNE DALZIEL 
: When I referred in the House at question time to the transactions report that had been received with over 2000 names on it I referred to it as containing bank account numbers as well. The person who sent it to me said that it had names and bank account details. The bank names were on each of the different pages and so I just assumed that that was what they were. On closer examination they are probably cheque numbers. I just wanted to confirm on the record of the House that that was my understanding at the time. I did not want anyone to be left with the impression that it was not correct. [ 
Interruption 
] 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Order! When there is a point of order—sorry. 
Hon LIANNE DALZIEL 
: It is fine. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: You are fine? Good.
Robertson H V Ross: Student Loan Scheme Amendment Bill (No 2) — Third Reading 
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The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I call the honourable member Todd McClay. Having said that of course I should acknowledge my assistant on my right whose birthday it is today. 
Hon Simon Bridges 
: It’s not my birthday! 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: It is Roland’s birthday—it is Roland’s birthday.
Carter David: Urgent Debates Declined — Meridian Energy—Tiwai Point Smelter Contract Negotiations 
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Carter David: Urgent Debates Declined — Meridian Energy—Tiwai Point Smelter Contract Negotiations 
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Mr SPEAKER 
: I have received letters from Dr Russel Norman and the Hon Clayton Cosgrove seeking to debate under Standing Order 386 the announcement by Meridian Energy that it is unlikely a new agreement can be reached with Pacific Aluminium. For there to be an urgent debate the matter raised must be a particular case of recent occurrence involving ministerial responsibility. A particular case of recent occurrence must either be a new situation of importance or a new development in an existing situation of sufficient importance in itself to warrant a debate being held. Negotiations are still continuing and the current contract remains in place. The business of the House should not be set aside just because an announcement has been made of ongoing negotiations. Not every such announcement will give grounds for a debate to be held. The application is therefore declined.
Carter David: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Urgent Questions 
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Carter David: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Urgent Questions 
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Mr SPEAKER 
: And the information that I have been given by the Clerk of the House is that it was available. The member may not have picked it up— 
Hon Members 
: How? 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I have not got that detail with me but it was available earlier in the day. Therefore on that basis—
Hutchison Paul: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Urgent Questions 
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8. 
Dr PAUL HUTCHISON (National—Hunua) 
 to the  
Minister of Customs 
: What work is the Government doing to ensure correct revenue is being paid on imports and exports? 
Hon MAURICE WILLIAMSON (Minister of Customs) 
: 
 The Customs Service’s trade assurance arm works to verify that import and export entry data is accurate and to ensure the correct revenue is collected. I am very pleased to say these audits have resulted in an additional $48 million being collected for the Crown in just over 18 months. This supports the Government priority to responsibly manage Government finances. 
Dr Paul Hutchison 
: What do the audit results reveal about the systems in place? 
Hon MAURICE WILLIAMSON 
: They show that the systems the Customs Service has in place are working and working really well. The integrity of data is critical and a number of initiatives are under way within the Customs Service to make submitting import and export entry information even easier than it is now and electronic for all clients. Given the Customs Service collects around 15 percent of all Crown revenue it is vital that these right systems are working well and are in place.
Mallard Trevor: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Urgent Questions 
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Mallard Trevor: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Urgent Questions 
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Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I provided authentication that showed that this was available to the Opposition at only 1.23 this afternoon.
Auchinvole Chris: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Urgent Questions 
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Auchinvole Chris: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Urgent Questions 
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6. 
CHRIS AUCHINVOLE (National) 
 to the  
Minister of Internal Affairs 
: What progress has been made on the review of Fire Service functions and funding? 
Hon CHRIS TREMAIN (Minister of Internal Affairs) 
: 
 I received the report of an independent review into Fire Service functions and funding in December and released it in early February. Since then I have been meeting with key stakeholders and seeking feedback on the report. There has been a very positive response and a high level of consensus around many of the changes especially those relating to the Fire Service mandate. Based on this feedback a series of legislative and non-legislative changes are now being finalised. 
Chris Auchinvole 
: What are the key initiatives the Government is considering as part of this review? 
Hon CHRIS TREMAIN 
: We are still making final decisions but the key initiatives will include firstly changes to the mandate of the Fire Service to bring the legislation into the 21st century. Secondly I am investigating ways of enabling the Fire Service to work more collaboratively and efficiently with other emergency services. Thirdly we will be comprehensively looking into the future funding options. The independent reviewers indicated that more work needed to be done here. We will be looking at ways to improve the equity of the Fire Service levy by removing opportunities for levy avoidance. 
Chris Auchinvole 
: Why are the changes to the Fire Service mandate so important? 
Hon CHRIS TREMAIN 
: The Fire Service legislation is almost 40 years old and firefighters now perform a much wider range of tasks than they did in 1977. However they are still mandated only to fight fires. This means that firefighters are not legally protected or legally required to perform tasks such as motor vehicle extractions which they currently spend 18 percent of their time doing. These issues have been apparent for a long time. It is very important to maintain the momentum and consensus on this rather than let it fall by the wayside as has happened with previous reviews.
Tisch Lindsay: Social Assistance (Living Alone Payments) Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
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Tisch Lindsay: Social Assistance (Living Alone Payments) Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
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The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch) 
: I am sorry to interrupt the honourable member. His time has expired.
Business Statement 
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Thursday 28 March 2013 
Mr Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Prayers 
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Business Statement 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (Leader of the House) 
: 
 Next week the House is in a 1-week recess. When the House resumes on Tuesday 9 April the Government will look to progress the Psychoactive Substances Bill the Social Security (Benefit Categories and Work Focus) Amendment Bill the Local Electoral Amendment Bill (No 2) the Crown Minerals (Permitting and Crown Land) Bill and other bills as they become available. 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I am just checking whether it is the intention of the Government to move with the Plumbers Gas— 
Hon Gerry Brownlee 
: Sorry I didn’t hear the start of that. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Would the member please repeat his question. 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: Sure. Is it the intention of the Government to move forward with the plumbers etc. legislation which is currently before the Regulations Review Committee or with any other matter that might involve the promotion of Mr Williamson? 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (Leader of the House) 
: 
 Well the pace of that bill the Plumbers Gasfitters and Drainlayers Amendment Bill as the member points out is in the hands of the select committee.
Carter David: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Urgent Questions 
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Carter David: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Urgent Questions 
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Mr SPEAKER 
: There was a very minor transposing of words. It was accidental by the member. I did not think that in any way it made any difference to the delivery of the question. The Minister has it on notice. I agree that it was not word for word but members occasionally make very slight mistakes in this House which I find— 
Rt Hon Winston Peters 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. No this is not a mistake. There is a pattern emerging here where people are abandoning their questions of which we have all got notice before us all and doing as they please. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The easiest way forward—because the member is obviously upset that it was not said exactly correctly—is that I am going to ask Catherine Delahunty to restate the question.
Delahunty Catherine: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Urgent Questions 
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CATHERINE DELAHUNTY (Green) 
: 
 Does he stand by his statement that “In 2010 I spelled out very clearly that we won’t be going into Schedule 4 land …”?
Delahunty Catherine: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Urgent Questions 
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5. 
CATHERINE DELAHUNTY (Green) 
 to the  
Prime Minister 
: Does he stand by his statement that “In 2010 I spelled out very clearly that we wouldn’t be going into Schedule 4 land …”? 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (Leader of the House) 
: 
 on behalf of the 
 Prime Minister 
: The Prime Minister stands by his full statement: “In 2010 I spelled out very clearly that we wouldn’t be going into Schedule 4 land or world heritage sites. The reason that the survey work is being undertaken as I understand it is because there are many other benefits that may flow from that data collection …”. 
Catherine Delahunty 
: Given his promise that prospecting on schedule 4 land will not lead to mining there why is there a mining permit currently being considered by New Zealand Petroleum and Minerals for schedule 4 land in the Coromandel? 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE 
: I think there is a difference between what are effectively recreation and hobby - type activities and large-scale mining. Recreation and hobby - type activities have been allowed on schedule 4 land since its inception. 
Catherine Delahunty 
: Given that one company moved from a hobby mine to an exploration and now is applying to mine on schedule 4 land is it not a reasonable conclusion that other companies will be expecting to do the same? 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE 
: They may well expect to make an application but in this case there is no decision. 
Catherine Delahunty 
: Given that National has made other promises it has broken like increasing GST when John Key said he would not should we take this latest promise with a grain of salt? 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE 
: I just want to point out that although the member might like to make those allegations it is easy for me to also point out to her that during the term of the previous Labour Government there were six mining permits granted on schedule 4 land for 180 hectares of schedule 4 land. If that is not a breach of a Green promise I do not know what is. 
Catherine Delahunty 
: Will the Prime Minister resign if he breaks his promise and allows mining on schedule 4 land? 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE 
: I am not an appropriate person to answer that question. 
Catherine Delahunty 
: I seek leave to table a document prepared by the Parliamentary Library that shows a mining permit—not a hobby mining permit but a full mining permit—is being sought for schedule 4 land in the Coromandel. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to table that document. Is there any objection? There is none. It may be tabled. 









Document by leave laid on the Table of the House.
Brownlee Gerry: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Urgent Questions 
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Brownlee Gerry: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Urgent Questions 
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Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (Leader of the House)  
on behalf of the 
 Prime Minister 
: The Prime Minister stands by his full statement which is: “In 2010 I spelled out very clearly that we wouldn’t be going into Schedule 4 land”— 
Rt Hon Winston Peters 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Order! [ 
Interruption 
] Order! I apologise to the member. A point of order has been called by the Rt Hon Winston Peters. 
Rt Hon Winston Peters 
: If you heard that question and saw what is on the paper today for questions for oral answer how did you reconcile the two?
Brownlee Gerry: Business Statement 
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Brownlee Gerry: Business Statement 
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Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (Leader of the House) 
: 
 Well the pace of that bill the Plumbers Gasfitters and Drainlayers Amendment Bill as the member points out is in the hands of the select committee.
Brownlee Gerry: Business Statement 
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Brownlee Gerry: Business Statement 
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Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (Leader of the House) 
: 
 Next week the House is in a 1-week recess. When the House resumes on Tuesday 9 April the Government will look to progress the Psychoactive Substances Bill the Social Security (Benefit Categories and Work Focus) Amendment Bill the Local Electoral Amendment Bill (No 2) the Crown Minerals (Permitting and Crown Land) Bill and other bills as they become available.
Mallard Trevor: Business Statement 
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Mallard Trevor: Business Statement 
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Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I am just checking whether it is the intention of the Government to move with the Plumbers Gas— 
Hon Gerry Brownlee 
: Sorry I didn’t hear the start of that. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Would the member please repeat his question. 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: Sure. Is it the intention of the Government to move forward with the plumbers etc. legislation which is currently before the Regulations Review Committee or with any other matter that might involve the promotion of Mr Williamson?
Carter David: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Urgent Questions 
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Carter David: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Urgent Questions 
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Mr SPEAKER 
: Can I just seek some advice from the Clerk because the authentication has not actually been provided to me as the member states. It certainly has been provided to the Clerk of the House throughout question time. I will take just a minute to seek some advice. [ 
Interruption 
] On seeking advice and particularly on the basis that Mr Brownlee has indicated he is quite comfortable with the asking of the question I am going to allow the question to proceed as an urgent question.
Urgent Debates Declined — Meridian Energy—Tiwai Point Smelter Contract Negotiations 
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Urgent Debates Declined — Meridian Energy—Tiwai Point Smelter Contract Negotiations 
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Urgent Debates Declined 
Meridian Energy—Tiwai Point Smelter Contract Negotiations 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I have received letters from Dr Russel Norman and the Hon Clayton Cosgrove seeking to debate under Standing Order 386 the announcement by Meridian Energy that it is unlikely a new agreement can be reached with Pacific Aluminium. For there to be an urgent debate the matter raised must be a particular case of recent occurrence involving ministerial responsibility. A particular case of recent occurrence must either be a new situation of importance or a new development in an existing situation of sufficient importance in itself to warrant a debate being held. Negotiations are still continuing and the current contract remains in place. The business of the House should not be set aside just because an announcement has been made of ongoing negotiations. Not every such announcement will give grounds for a debate to be held. The application is therefore declined.
Personal Explanations — Tabling of Documents—Accuracy of Description of Documents 
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Personal Explanations — Tabling of Documents—Accuracy of Description of Documents 
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Personal Explanations 
Tabling of Documents—Accuracy of Description of Documents 
Hon LIANNE DALZIEL (Labour—Christchurch East) 
: 
 I seek leave to make a personal explanation in respect of the description of the documents that I referred to in the House during the urgent question. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Thank you. The member has been quite clear. Is there any objection to that course of action being taken? There is none. The member may make a personal explanation. 
Hon LIANNE DALZIEL 
: When I referred in the House at question time to the transactions report that had been received with over 2000 names on it I referred to it as containing bank account numbers as well. The person who sent it to me said that it had names and bank account details. The bank names were on each of the different pages and so I just assumed that that was what they were. On closer examination they are probably cheque numbers. I just wanted to confirm on the record of the House that that was my understanding at the time. I did not want anyone to be left with the impression that it was not correct. [ 
Interruption 
] 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Order! When there is a point of order—sorry. 
Hon LIANNE DALZIEL 
: It is fine. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: You are fine? Good.
Ardern Shane: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Urgent Questions 
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11. 
SHANE ARDERN (National—Taranaki - King Country) 
 to the  
Minister for Primary Industries 
: What changes has he recently announced to shellfish catch limits? 
Hon NATHAN GUY (Minister for Primary Industries) 
: 
 Last week I announced new catch limits for rock lobster scallops and surf clams. The commercial catch limit increases have the potential to grow the surf clam industry and could add up to another $20 million a year in export earnings. Increases for rock lobster catch limits will also generate over $3 million a year in export earnings. 
Shane Ardern 
: Why has the Minister made this decision to increase catch limits? 
Hon NATHAN GUY 
: These catch limit increases are based on new scientific information showing that large numbers of surf clams and scallops are available for sustainable harvest. This is another case of this Government’s focus on sustainable economic development. These economic opportunities and new jobs will benefit many regional communities including Hawke’s Bay Gisborne Taranaki Manawatu and of course the Coromandel.
Mallard Trevor: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Urgent Questions 
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Mallard Trevor: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Urgent Questions 
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Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. The authentication that was given to you showed that it was available to the individual to whom it was leaked over a month ago. It was available to that person. That person followed it up with the Earthquake Commission. He asked the chief executive to respond. The chief executive did not respond. All the evidence about this massive breach came to the attention of the Opposition and we understand no media—yet—at 1.23 this afternoon.
Carter David: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Urgent Questions 
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Carter David: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Urgent Questions 
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Mr SPEAKER 
: I was dealing with this matter through question time. The advice I have received is that this was information that was available this morning prior to the lodging of questions and on that basis I did not accept that it—[ 
Interruption 
] Because it was the information that was—
Lee Melissa: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Urgent Questions 
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3. 
MELISSA LEE (National) 
 to the  
Minister for Social Development 
: What difference will the Children’s Action Plan make for vulnerable children? 
Hon PAULA BENNETT (Minister for Social Development) 
: 
 As part of the Children’s Action Plan we are committed to ensuring the very best outcomes for vulnerable children. The white paper identified care and protection family group conferences as an area that could be improved highlighting the need for better integration and stronger engagement from health education iwi providers non-governmental organisations and families. 
Melissa Lee 
: What advice has she received on the family group conference process? 
Hon PAULA BENNETT 
: I have had advice that there are key areas we need to improve: practice can be variable particularly recording parental objectives and responsibilities in plans; the need for greater clarity and accountability about the changes involved; the time frames within which these need to be made; and that there may be a need to legally require and specify what these plans require and contain. The family group conferences have been running for quite some time. We very much support them but it is a good time to be looking at them and seeing how we can improve them to move forward. 
Melissa Lee 
: How could the system work better in the interests of the child? 
Hon PAULA BENNETT 
: There is work already under way. We are taking action. The reality is these children cannot wait. Child Youth and Family has already commenced implementation of the new family group conference performance standards which will begin to lift the quality broaden the participation and deliver meaningful plans for these children.
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Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I am aware that you have received an urgent question relating to $23 million worth of bank account details leaked by the Earthquake Commission which has been revealed today. The names the amounts and the bank account details of hundreds of Christchurch people— 
Hon Member 
: 2000. 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: —2000 Christchurch individuals with money amounts totalling $23 million—have been revealed in yet another leak from the Earthquake Commission which has become apparent only this afternoon. We are approaching Easter and we do need a level of assurance from the Minister responsible for the Earthquake Commission that he is on top of it. I cannot think of anything more urgent than ensuring that a Minister is ensuring the privacy of people’s bank account numbers.
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A personal vote was called for on the question  
That clauses 1 to 7 and schedules 1 and 2 be agreed to. 
Ayes 77 
Adams (P) 
Dunne (P) 
Hutchison 
Sage 
Ardern J 
Dyson 
Jones (P) 
Sharples (P) 
Auchinvole 
Faafoi 
Joyce 
Shearer (P) 
Banks (P) 
Fenton (P) 
Kaye 
Simpson (P) 
Barry 
Flavell 
Key (P) 
Street 
Beaumont 
Foss (P) 
King A 
Tirikatene (P) 
Bennett P (P) 
Genter 
Lees-Galloway 
Tremain (P) 
Blue (P) 
Gilmore (P) 
Little (P) 
Turei 
Browning 
Goff 
Logie (P) 
Turia (P) 
Calder (P) 
Goldsmith (P) 
Mackey 
Twyford (P) 
Carter (P) 
Goodhew (P) 
Mahuta (P) 
Wagner (P) 
Clark (P) 
Graham 
Mathers 
Walker (P) 
Clendon (P) 
Groser (P) 
Moroney 
Wall (P) 
Collins (P) 
Hague 
Norman (P) 
Wilkinson (P) 
Cosgrove (P) 
Harawira (P) 
Parata (P) 
Williamson (P) 
Cunliffe 
Henare (P) 
Parker (P) 
Woods 
Curran 
Hipkins 
Prasad 
Dalziel 
Horomia (P) 
Robertson G 
Dean 
Hughes 
Roche (P) 
Teller: 
Delahunty 
Huo (P) 
Ross 
Mallard 
Noes 43 
Ardern S (P) 
Horan 
O’Connor D (P) 
Smith (P) 
Bakshi (P) 
King C 
O’Connor S (P) 
Stewart 
Bennett D 
Lee 
O’Rourke 
Tisch (P) 
Borrows 
Lole-Taylor 
Peters (P) 
Tolley (P) 
Bridges (P) 
Lotu-Iiga 
Prosser 
Upston 
Coleman (P) 
Martin 
Robertson R 
Williams (P) 
English (P) 
McClay 
Roy (P) 
Woodhouse (P) 
Finlayson (P) 
McCully (P) 
Ryall 
Yang 
Guy (P) 
McKelvie 
Sabin (P) 
Young (P) 
Hayes 
Mitchell 
Shanks (P) 
Teller 
Heatley (P) 
Ngaro 
Sio 
Macindoe 
Clauses 1 to 7 and schedules 1 and 2 agreed to. 
Bill to be reported without amendment presently. 
House resumed. 
The Chairperson reported the Holidays (Full Recognition of Waitangi Day and ANZAC Day) Amendment Bill without amendment and the Marriage (Definition of Marriage) Amendment Bill without amendment. 
Report adopted.
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A personal vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 18 
Barry 
Horan 
McClay 
Upston 
Bennett D 
King C 
McKelvie 
Yang 
Borrows 
Lee 
Mitchell 
Dean 
Lotu-Iiga 
Ngaro 
Teller 
Hayes 
Macindoe 
Ryall 
Hutchison 
Noes 84 
Ardern J (P) 
Finlayson (P) 
Little (P) 
Shearer (P) 
Auchinvole 
Flavell 
Logie (P) 
Simpson (P) 
Banks (P) 
Foss (P) 
Lole-Taylor 
Sio 
Beaumont 
Genter 
Mackey 
Stewart 
Bennett P (P) 
Goff 
Mahuta (P) 
Street 
Blue (P) 
Goodhew (P) 
Martin 
Tirikatene (P) 
Browning 
Graham 
Mathers 
Tisch (P) 
Calder (P) 
Guy (P) 
McKelvie (P) 
Turei 
Carter (P) 
Hague 
Moroney 
Turia (P) 
Clark (P) 
Harawira (P) 
Norman (P) 
Twyford (P) 
Clendon (P) 
Heatley (P) 
O’Rourke 
Wagner (P) 
Collins (P) 
Henare (P) 
Parata (P) 
Walker (P) 
Cosgrove (P) 
Hipkins 
Parker (P) 
Wall (P) 
Cunliffe 
Horomia (P) 
Peters (P) 
Wilkinson (P) 
Curran 
Hughes 
Prasad 
Williams (P) 
Dalziel 
Huo (P) 
Prosser 
Williamson (P) 
Delahunty 
Jones (P) 
Robertson G 
Woods 
Dunne (P) 
Joyce 
Robertson R 
Dyson 
Kaye 
Roche (P) 
English (P) 
Key (P) 
Ross 
Faafoi 
King A 
Sage 
Teller: 
Fenton (P) 
Lees-Galloway 
Sharples (P) 
Mallard 
Abstentions1 
O’Connor D (P) 
Amendments not agreed to. 
The result corrected after originally being announced as Ayes 18 Noes 85.
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A personal vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 36 
Adams 
Goodhew (P) 
McKelvie 
Smith (P) 
Bakshi (P) 
Hayes 
Mitchell 
Tremain (P) 
Barry 
Heatley (P) 
Ngaro 
Upston 
Bennett D 
Horan 
O’Connor D (P) 
Yang 
Borrows 
Hutchison 
O’Connor S (P) 
Young (P) 
Brownlee (P) 
King C 
Robertson R 
Dean 
Lee 
Roy (P) 
English (P) 
Lotu-Iiga 
Ryall 
Gilmore (P) 
McClay 
Sabin (P) 
Teller 
Goldsmith (P) 
McCully (P) 
Sio 
Macindoe 
Noes 79 
Ardern J (P) 
Fenton (P) 
Lees-Galloway 
Sage 
Auchinvole 
Finlayson (P) 
Little (P) 
Sharples (P) 
Banks (P) 
Flavell 
Logie (P) 
Shearer (P) 
Beaumont 
Foss (P) 
Lole-Taylor 
Simpson (P) 
Bennett P (P) 
Genter 
Mackey 
Stewart 
Blue (P) 
Goff 
Mahuta (P) 
Street 
Browning 
Graham 
Martin 
Tirikatene (P) 
Calder (P) 
Guy (P) 
Mathers 
Tisch (P) 
Carter (P) 
Hague 
McKelvie (P) 
Turei 
Clark (P) 
Harawira (P) 
Moroney 
Turia (P) 
Clendon (P) 
Henare (P) 
Norman (P) 
Twyford (P) 
Collins (P) 
Hipkins 
O’Rourke 
Wagner (P) 
Cosgrove (P) 
Horomia (P) 
Parata (P) 
Walker (P) 
Cunliffe 
Hughes 
Parker (P) 
Wall (P) 
Curran 
Huo (P) 
Peters (P) 
Wilkinson (P) 
Dalziel 
Jones (P) 
Prasad 
Williams (P) 
Delahunty 
Joyce 
Prosser 
Williamson (P) 
Dunne (P) 
Kaye 
Robertson G 
Woods 
Dyson 
Key (P) 
Roche (P) 
Teller: 
Faafoi 
King A 
Ross 
Mallard 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The result corrected after originally being announced as Ayes 36 Noes 80. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Dr Paul Hutchison to clause 5A be agreed to: 
insert in section 29 after subsection (2): 
(2A)Without limiting the generality of subsection (1) no celebrant who is a minister of religion recognised by a religious body enumerated in Schedule 1 and no celebrant who is a person nominated to solemnize marriages by an approved organisation is obliged to solemnize a marriage if solemnizing that marriage would contravene the religious beliefs or philosophical or humanitarian convictions of the approved organisation. 
(2B)Without limiting the generality of subsection (1) no celebrant is obliged to solemnize a marriage if solemnizing that marriage would offend the celebrant’s genuinely held religious beliefs or philosophical or humanitarian convictions.
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The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: So you are seeking leave to correct the vote. Leave is sought for that purpose. Is there anyone opposed to that course of action? There appears not. The record will show the amended numbers. We move now to Tim Macindoe’s amendment to replace—
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TIM MACINDOE (Junior Whip—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. Do we not need the result of the amendment?
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The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: The amendment to the amendment was not carried. I declared it and I called for the doors to be unlocked. We are now on to the next one. [ 
Interruption 
] I will do it again for the members. The Ayes were 35 and the Noes were 80. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 203 in the name of Tim Macindoe to clause 5A be agreed to.
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Hon RUTH DYSON (Labour—Port Hills) 
: 
 I regret to ask for this leave so early in the voting but I seek leave to correct the voting record of the first amendment—the amendment in the name of Su’a William Sio set out on Supplementary Order Paper 202. I regret I omitted to have Hone Harawira’s vote for which I carry the proxy recorded in opposition to that Supplementary Order Paper.
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The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: Leave is sought for that purpose. Is there anyone opposed to that course of action? There is. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 202 in the name of Su’a William Sio to clause 5A be agreed to.
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DAVID BENNETT (National—Hamilton East) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I would like to seek leave for the Committee to grant the option of having the first referendum.