Russell DeborahDr DEBORAH RUSSELL (Labour—New Lynn): Thank you Mr Assistant Speaker. Congratulations to my colleague Mr Simpson for having his member's bill chosen from the ballot. This is a simple bill—a very very simple bill. It has only one real change in it: changing the maximum infringement under the Litter Act from $400 to $1000.You know for a party that's trying to convince us that there is in fact a notion of a blue-green I have to say: is this it? Could there not be a little more than just a change from $400 to $1000? I mean I did notice that in passing Mr Simpson suggested perhaps another change could be made—perhaps it'll come up as a Supplementary Order Paper—when he'll go from $1000 to perhaps $1500 thereby doubling the complexity of this bill. But it's hard to know what it's going to achieve. Nevertheless we're going to take it to select committee because we do want to examine some of these issues. We actually do want to introduce some of the complexity that the alleged blue-greens have not yet been able to do.I grew up in the 1970s and 80s and I remember the Be a Tidy Kiwi campaign. I'm sure at least a few of us in this House do—don't worry Mr Strange; you won't remember it but I do. Look that campaign has been relaunched in the last year. Here I just want to pay brief tribute actually to my daughter Sophia Wright who has been following me in the House this week and dug this little nugget of information out of a newspaper article for me talking about the relaunch of the Be a Tidy Kiwi campaign. There's some really fascinating research. It says that the average distance that a New Zealander is prepared to walk to a litter bin is 8.4 metres—a mere 8.4 metres: about as far as it is from me to Mr Simpson who has proposed this complex bill.So New Zealanders won't even do much in terms of you know picking up litter and taking it 8.4 metres to a bin. The bins that in the original Act are required to be provided and maintained—(1) Every person public authority and department of State shall at all times provide and maintain in every public place under his or its control"—and that "his" tells you how old this bill is. You've got to have those public receptacles but New Zealanders won't even walk 8.4 metres.That suggests to me that the problem is not the level of the fine. The problem is not $400 or $1000 or—doubling the complexity—$1500; the problem is attitudes towards littering. We need to do a lot more than just increasing the fine. You see the problem is not just litter; the problem is dumping and it's fly-tipping.Look I want to tell you about a story from my own electorate of New Lynn in Green Bay. It was a problem that came up oh two or three years ago where there was a serial nappy dumper roaming West Auckland streets dumping diapers and nappies. They were being stuffed in plastic bags and someone seemed to be driving along the streets in the lead-up to the Waitakere Ranges and dumping plastic bags full of used nappies. Now that's the fly-tipping that's going on. That's not just littering—that's a little bit more serious than just littering.Even more seriously at the start of this year—in the first week of 2018—28 oil drums were discovered in a carpark in the Waitakere Ranges. They were just being dumped there. That's not mere littering and I think we need to have a little bit of a discussion about the difference between littering—which is maybe just dropping some rubbish—and fly-tipping and dumping. That's something that we could seriously have a look at and as to whether we perhaps need a range of differentiated fines for that.But even then there's the question of whether increasing the fine will actually compel good behaviour. So there is a whole set of issues that we can examine around this issue of littering—a whole set of issues that perhaps could've been comprehended already in this member's bill. It's those sorts of issues that we will discuss in full at length and see if we can do something substantial in select committee. That's why we will support this bill to the select committee."