Davis KelvinKELVIN DAVIS (Labour—Te Tai Tokerau): My colleague Nanaia Mahuta and Pita Paraone also made some very relevant points. The point I want to pick up on first is the point about the consultation around the Kermadec Ocean Sanctuary. Nanaia was slightly wrong. There was consultation before the announcement was made—it was a good 10 minutes' worth I think. I think Ngāti Kuri and Te Aupōuri had 10 minutes to ponder whether or not they actually agreed with the Kermadec proposal. That is this National Government's idea of consultation. Of course it makes me wonder when we have a Minister saying that it is great to be at the coffee table where the consultation with the Minister was when that decision around the Kermadec sanctuary was made. What is the point of being the Minister for Māori Development sitting around the coffee table when you find out basically at the same time as the rest of the world that something as substantial as the Kermadec concept was going to be announced? To me that shows the disregard that National has for its Māori caucus—i.e. the Māori Party. I also take issue with Marama Fox's comments about Helen Clark last week. She raised three points: one was the foreshore and seabed issue one was the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples issue and the other was the Tūhoe issue. I have to admit the foreshore and seabed issue was not Labour's finest hour—we have got to take that one on the chin—but with the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples Labour took a principled stance. Labour said: We cannot endorse that declaration if we cannot honour all of the clauses in it." So Labour did not sign it. Contrast that with the National Government and the Māori Party who went over to New York made a big issue about signing that declaration and yet cannot honour all the clauses. That in my opinion is not a very principled stance to take whatsoever. I admire Helen Clark for taking the criticism on the chin for not signing it. She did it from a very principled stance. Contrast that with the National Government and the Māori Party who signed it but cannot and will not honour it. One of those clauses basically says that indigenous people are entitled to all of their lands that they traditionally had. That means that Māori would get back every single acre in New Zealand but we know that is not going to happen. Helen Clark wanted to be able to negotiate so that there was something that we could honour and could sign but of course Labour lost the election. The National Government came in and I am waiting—on behalf of all Māori in New Zealand—for every single acre of land to be returned to us. I am waiting but I think I will be waiting in vain. Then there were the Tūhoe raids. We did not like what we saw in the Tūhoe raids but there is a rumour floating around—and I was interviewed on a Māori radio station that said it had a source—that that anti-terrorism unit was run out of Helen Clark's office. I said: "No that's not right." A Prime Minister a member of Parliament cannot direct police in their operations. "Oh no no we've got our source." Well I wonder whether that source was Marama Fox and Te Ururoa Flavell.Carmel Sepuloni: Oh reliable!KELVIN DAVIS: A reliable source all right. It is an absolute lie an invention a creation that the police raid on Tūhoe was organised out of the then Prime Minister's office. It is absolutely ridiculous. Members of Parliament cannot do anything to direct the police in their operations. In fact Annette King told me—because I asked her about it; I asked what happened at that time—that it is ridiculous. The police told them that they had intel information. They did not say where from who the people involved were or what part of the country they were in. The Government had no idea other than that the police had some intel. Helen Clark asked whether the Terrorism Suppression Act was the most appropriate Act to conduct the operation under and the Solicitor-General at the time sat there and said yes it was the most appropriate Act. That night they saw what was going down in Tūhoe. The Labour Government at the time was absolutely dumbfounded by it and 3 weeks later the Solicitor-General reneged on that advice."