Carter DavidRt Hon DAVID CARTER (National): I have three particular questions for the Minister. In his first contribution he acknowledged that this approach by this Government was world leading and that many other countries are now following this approach." I wondered whether the Minister could give us a list of the many other countries that are following this approach.The second point I want to ask questions to is the requirement for the Minister to effectively report and present to the House at least every four years. Hon Grant Robertson: It's not; it's Treasury.Rt Hon DAVID CARTER: It's for Treasury to report to the House at least every four years and for the Minister then to present that report to the House of Representatives. My question is: why up to four years? Because it seems to me that's completely inconsistent with the current regime we've established around the Public Finance Act and the Fiscal Responsibility Act where annually we get very exact positioning of the financial structure of this country. What does surprise me is that we had all the fanfare in Budget 2019 around the Wellbeing Budget and leading the world and then effectively no mention of it at all in Budget 2020. So I think comments on that from the Minister would be very helpful.The third thing I want to know is how much resource and how much progress Treasury is making in developing its wellbeing report. And I think if I heard the Minister right there are 600 employees in total and three full-time equivalents working on this. I want him to comment on the Newshub story of April 2019 as to the accuracy of the story that apparently Treasury officials were playing with wellbeing cards. I know this sounds incredible and it might not be true but it was certainly in the media and I didn't see a comment from the Minister then denying it. But the Treasury officials were sitting down apparently playing with cards they'd devised—such cards as the "sun feeling card" and the "moon feeling card" as they were busy trying to develop the criteria—Hon Tim Macindoe: What was that about?Rt Hon DAVID CARTER: Well I think Treasury to be fair have been handed this bomb by the Minister when he now for an hour or so hasn't been able to explain what wellbeing objectives mean and now he's handing the responsibility to Treasury and saying "Well it's your job Treasury. You've got four years to do it but get on with the job." So their first attempt in April 2019 was apparently to develop a set of wellbeing cards. So I'd be very interested if the Minister could sort of tell us the progress that Treasury's making. We're struggling on this side of the House to understand the progress that Treasury's making. They've not been able to do it. They've got up to four years to do it; I accept that. Now they might have made tremendous progress; they could have been able to present it in association with Budget 2020—well clearly they weren't able to do that.The final point that worries me greatly about this is that Treasury is respected for its independence and its expertise around financial and economic matters and the advice that it then gives to Government. It appears to me that it will almost be impossible as they develop their report and their objectives for Treasury not to be compromised and effectively be dragged into commenting on Government policy. I think if that is where this heads Minister that will be a sad indictment of a Government then interfering with the independent role of Treasury. So a number of questions there; I'd be grateful for answers to all of them."