Penk Chris; Kuriger Barbara; O'Connor GregHon CHRIS PENK (Associate Minister of Immigration): Thank you very much Madam Chair. I believe on the subject of engagement I've referred to the discussion that's been had effectively through the excellent select committee work in relation to this. And as I say Government Ministers including the Minister of Immigration herself and both associates including me have been made well aware of the views of certain groups that have written in and as I say in the case of our colleague and friend Associate Minister Costello have responded to that. I've given an example of some of those discussion points back and forth.In terms of whether the distinction between a mass arrival group and individual arrivals is reasonable I believe it is. I believe that it's proportionate but also more particularly that it recognises the particular complexity of the situation that mass arrival groups face. Again that goes to numbers it goes to length of time prior to arrival. There may be health conditions associated with those periods of time spent at sea and so forth. Of course whether the measures and the particular time frames for example are proportionate and reasonable is the subject for debate under Part 2 because of course that's where those provisions are contained.And in relation to whether human rights are diminished by the measures of the bill of course in any human rights discussion it's necessary to consider not only proportionality which I've already referenced but the balancing. So we're balancing yes issues of security geopolitical matters that may feed into the likelihood of such situations arising. Of course it's impossible without a crystal ball to know exactly what that may entail at what particular time but suffice to say the issues arising in the South China Sea and the Pacific Ocean—the Asia-Pacific region—tend to be getting more complex not less. I simply make the point that I don't know when my house might burn down by fire but I'm going to get insurance anyway. I think that we need not to be able to predict with exactitude the nature or timing of an event to be wanting to prepare ourselves against the possibility of it happening.Of course though we talk about rights in relation to human rights but also responsibilities too and so the responsibility of the State to ensure that we have humane and appropriate processes must be seen as a relevant consideration alongside the rights that of course all humans enjoy regardless of immigration or refugee status. And I think this bill strikes a good balance on that and I think in Part 2 we'll be able to have a good conversation about exactly where those lines are drawn.CHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger): Members the time has come for me to report progress.House resumed.CHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger): Mr Speaker the committee has considered the Immigration (Mass Arrivals) Amendment Bill and reports progress. The committee has also considered the Māori Fisheries Amendment Bill and reports no progress. I move That the report be adopted.Motion agreed to.Report adopted.ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Greg O'Connor): Those bills are set down for further consideration in committee next sitting day. Members the House is adjourned until 2 p.m. tomorrow. Have a good evening.The House adjourned at 10 p.m.