6. Primary Industries Ministry—RestructuringHon NATHAN GUY (National—Ōtaki) to the Minister of AgriculturePrimary Industries Ministry—Restructuring6. Hon NATHAN GUY (National—Ōtaki) to the Minister of Agriculture: What specific costs were identified in the paper he received on 16 November 2017 in relation to creating separate entities for Forestry Fisheries Biosecurity and Food Safety?Hon DAMIEN O'CONNOR (Minister of Agriculture): Thank you Mr Speaker. The paper outlined a range of options for consideration. Costs mentioned in the paper were initial estimates only.Hon Simon Bridges: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. The question was very specific. It was about specific costs. It's not difficult unless there is a public interest reason—Mr SPEAKER: OK the member will resume his seat. I will ask Mr O'Connor to address the question.Hon DAMIEN O'CONNOR: The costs were initial estimates only. The paper presents a number of options for consideration by Cabinet. It is not in the public interest to disclose prior to Cabinet consideration these final costs. Unlike the previous National Government we will disclose figures that are accurate not alternative.Hon Simon Bridges: Point of order.Mr SPEAKER: Order! Now I am going to rule that the Minister has indicated that it's not in the public interest to disclose costs. That is all that the Minister needs to say and there is no further questioning of—I mean the member can have another supplementary but we're not going to question that.Hon Nathan Guy: Why does he believe it is not in the public interest to disclose the estimates that he has received from the Ministry for Primary Industries?Hon DAMIEN O'CONNOR: Because Cabinet has to give due consideration to a number of options. We will not be rushed into a change process that does not deliver better performance in biosecurity better performance in forestry better performance in food safety—an outcome that will deliver over time lower costs than the previous Government incurred.Hon Nathan Guy: Will all of these entities be completely separated and located outside of MPI's central location in Wellington or will the restructuring simply comprise of changing a few stickers on doors or floors to appease the Minister and New Zealand First?Hon DAMIEN O'CONNOR: No.Hon Nathan Guy: To the Minister—[Pause in question] Does he—Rt Hon Winston Peters: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. We've only got a limited time for questions in this House. [Interruption] Sir can I be heard in silence. It's a point of order.Mr SPEAKER: Absolutely because all points of order are to be heard in silence.Rt Hon Winston Peters: Thank you very much Mr Speaker. We've only got a limited time for questions in this House and affording someone in this time to think up what he wants to ask next is not part of the procedure of this House.Mr SPEAKER: My view is that there are a number of members who take a little time either preparing in their minds or getting the questions out. Frankly I'd rather have thought-out questions than many of them that we get.Hon Nathan Guy: Do the estimated figures that he has received which he doesn't believe is in the public interest to release to taxpayers and members of Parliament today include expenses such as paying four new chief executives leasing new building space redundancies IT systems legal compliance communication branding—and the list goes on.Mr SPEAKER: The member can answer any one of those seven questions.Hon DAMIEN O'CONNOR: Yes.Hon Nathan Guy: Following on from that answer to which part of the question?Hon DAMIEN O'CONNOR: I can reassure that member over there that the Government is taking all possible cost into account. That's why until decisions are finally made those are interim decisions and estimates not specific costs of this restructure.Hon Nathan Guy: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. That was a very specific question where previously the Minister answered Yes." and then I asked him: "to which part of that question" did he answer yes? I'm not satisfied that the Minister has even addressed that question.Mr SPEAKER: I am."