van de Molen TimTIM VAN DE MOLEN (National—Waikato): Thank you very much Madam Speaker. It's a pleasure to rise and take a call following some of the wonderful discussions we've had on gas and who has more or who has less. But at this point of the evening just prior to the dinner break it was great to hear from Melissa Lee around her suggestions on wok cooking and the flames etc. So I certainly know where I'm heading at the dinner break for my evening meal!Simeon Brown: Burger King.TIM VAN DE MOLEN: Now in terms of this particular bill we support more transparency—and maybe that's not for Mr Brown but we'll see. I think the fundamental issue here and Jonathan Young touched on it as well is that whilst we support some of these aspects—and the bill has some good components to it that will improve clarity or that ability to understand what's going on a little better—actually the fundamental issue here is about supply. If we really want to be impacting on price and ensuring that our end consumers have the best price option available to them well that requires more supply. Supply and demand—it's a pretty simple concept. I think most members can grasp it and it was interesting though actually to hear Mr Patterson from New Zealand First pointing out earlier that the exploration by OMV I think it was in the Southern Basin was a clear example of the success and how well things are going and that they're doing great stuff as a business but actually they found nothing there. Well I think that's not a particularly sustainable model. If they keep finding nothing they don't have anything to sell. That becomes a slight problem for Mr Patterson. So he might want to reconsider that position in time.But where we get to with this is that it's really interesting as well because the concept of decarbonising and reducing our impact—great; I can understand that concept and the Greens are very vigorous in that space—but actually it's about looking at that transition. And if we are able to provide a product to the market that has a lower impact than somewhere else then why would we not utilise that advantage to help them to help our economy and actually to reduce overall emissions? So natural gas can potentially play a role for us in that space which this Government refuses to accept; hence their imposition they placed on the industry through the ban on future explorations.And actually it's exactly the same thing as what they're proposing in the agricultural sector as well and Mr Bennett as a spokesperson has strongly spoken in this vein as well where we are the lowest emissions producer of food. So if we're looking at a global context about reducing emissions whether it be gas in the case of this bill or agricultural emissions why would we not maximise our ability to produce with a lower emissions profile to offset those emissions in other international jurisdictions? Surely if the global solution is what we're focused on that is a key part of it. And this industry is exactly the same scenario where the Government comes in with an ideological approach and refuses to accept that actually there is another way to do it.So look the disclosure components within this particular bill are useful and will add some clarity but are certainly not going to be a significant contributor to a change in price point for the end consumer which is fundamentally where there is concern and what is I believe the issue that they're looking for. On this side of the House we certainly don't oppose trying to reduce emissions; in fact many of us are very enthusiastic about that. If I tried to count the number of electric cars held by our caucus members it would be quite high. Even in the Waikato I drive a hybrid car. So we're all very passionate about this. There are a number of things we can do. This bill helps in some small part and so on that basis we are prepared to support it through to select committee. We do have a few reservations about that and look forward to thrashing it out a bit more. I know Jonathan Young will advocate strongly on our behalf in that space but I encourage submitters to get involved and share their views too so we can try and get this to the most appropriate position possible.So on that basis we are supporting it to first reading and I commend it to the House.