Twyford Phil: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Twyford Phil: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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5. 
PHIL TWYFORD (Labour) 
 to the  
Minister of Transport 
: Aside from completing Project DART and the Auckland Rail Electrification Project what rail capital projects in Auckland does the Government’s transport strategies contemplate funding over the next 10 years? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE (Minister of Transport) 
: 
 I thank the member for his question because the Government of course in addition to the two projects he mentioned recently announced the deal for the final electric multiple unit train purchase with Auckland Council which will give us the opportunity to procure 50 percent more electric trains than were originally proposed as a result of the $500 million Crown loan and the additional Government funding of up to $90 million. Following on from that probably the best answer for further projects is to quote for the member’s benefit from  
Connecting New Zealand: a summary of the government’s policy direction for transport 
 which I happen to have in the House for the member. It states: “Attention is now turning to which major projects and developments will need to be prioritised after these current projects are completed. This includes consideration of a third harbour crossing improved central business district access including a possible city centre rail link and further infrastructure to support ferries and bus transport.” The document goes on to say: “Careful prioritisation will be needed to provide the right solutions at the right time and to ensure that we are maximising the efficient and effective use of … networks.” 
Phil Twyford 
: Given that Auckland Council confirmed by 18 votes to two that the city rail link was the “top priority transport project for Auckland” is he concerned about the level of misalignment between the Government’s transport priorities for Auckland and those of Auckland Council? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE 
: No it is quite common for councils to have views and then to come to Government to seek funding for different projects. The Government of course has to prioritise all the projects across the country and it tends to do so with things such as benefit-cost ratios to allow it to evaluate the different projects. Currently the central business district rail link — 
Hon Annette King 
: Like the “Holiday Highway”. 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE 
: —I will come to that—has a benefit-cost ratio of 0.3 as against some of the other projects that members opposite are concerned about which are all in excess of 1. 
Phil Twyford 
: In relation to the Ministry of Transport’s review of the city rail links business case which has led to the number that the Minister just quoted does he know that that review relies on Fanshawe Street Albert Street and Symonds Street coping with more than 1000 buses per hour by 2040 and are such huge numbers of diesel buses in the city centre consistent with this Government’s vision for Auckland? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE 
: I think the member will find he has been reading too many left-wing transport blogs. 
Hon Bill English 
: How many are there? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE 
: Oh there are two or three. The reality is that the Government’s review of the business case does not require any such thing. The reality is and it is very important that we assess all the options for transport into the central business district in Auckland going forwards and I think it is important we do that without rushing straight to one solution. That is what the Government is seeking and that is what the business case review recommends. 
Phil Twyford 
: I seek leave of the House to table the report  
Additional Waitemata Harbour Crossing Network Plan 
 which was commissioned by the New Zealand Transport Agency. It is the document that actually sets out that more than 1000 buses will be in the central business district. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to table that document. Is there any objection? [ 
Interruption 
] A point of order has been called by the member’s own colleague. Is there any objection to that document being tabled? There is no objection. 
Document by leave laid on the Table of the House. 
Phil Twyford 
: What steps if any is the Government taking to reduce the misalignment between its transport priorities and those of the Auckland Council or are we seeing a deadlock between these two parties the exact type of paralysis for Auckland that the super-city was designed to avoid? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE 
: Well the Auckland Council and the Government have agreed on a forward plan for discussing that project alongside other projects. That involves firstly finalising and implementing the Auckland Spatial Plan and the City Centre Masterplan to establish achievable growth projections for the central business district; secondly demonstrating a commitment to resolving current and emerging central business district access issues—for example by improving bus operations and addressing capacity issues—thirdly development of a robust and achievable multimodal programme for transport in the central business district which considers a thorough analysis of alternatives and identifies the optimal mix of modes to meet demand; fourthly beginning implementation of large-scale residential developments along the rail corridors which were anticipated by the Auckland regional growth strategy; and fifthly implementation of additional park and ride sites and changes to bus feeder services where appropriate in terms of overall public transport demand. I think that those sorts of initiatives will ensure that we come to a cost-effective and appropriate transport response in Auckland for the benefit of Aucklanders and also for the whole country. 
Phil Twyford 
: Why is this Government so intent on undermining the council’s transport goals and its plan for a compact city and so reluctant to work with Mayor Len Brown and the Auckland Council on making Auckland the most livable city in the world? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE 
: For goodness’ sake! I mean really. I tell Mr “Twifford” that we have just announced the investment— 
Phil Twyford 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. The Minister seems to have fallen into Rodney Hide’s— 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Whether the Minister has fallen into anything to do with Rodney Hide is nothing to do with the proceedings of this House. If the member wishes to raise a point of order it must relate to the proceedings of the House. 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE 
: I was just trying to point out to the member that the reality is that the Government has just announced a very good project with the Auckland Council. We have worked together and agreed a 50 percent increase in the number of electric trains that was contemplated by the previous Government and previous Auckland councils to ensure that we have a modern electric fleet in Auckland. That is the sort of cooperation we are achieving. It is going very well between us and the Auckland Council.