Bishop ChrisCHRIS BISHOP (National—Hutt South): Well on this side of the Chamber we are hung-up on targets. I'll tell you who else is hung-up on targets: the Police Commissioner because when the Police Commissioner appeared with the Minister for the estimates we're talking about do you know what he said to us? He said The good thing about targets is they drive performance incentives and they drive behaviour." So yep on this side of the Chamber we do care about targets because it's precisely targets that drive behavioural change. The police have a lot of targets in their organisation and rightly so.I think actually one of the deleterious effects of this Government has been the eradication of those targets. We've seen the Better Public Services targets go and we've seen a whole bunch of police operational targets—for example just to pick a random one that members might be interested in the target of expanding 24/7 police station coverage around the country. Under National there was a target of 24 stations to be upgraded over the next four years; that target has been scrapped. Now there are police stations up and down the country that were looking forward to having the 24/7 coverage and they are no longer going to get it. I'll give you a good example: Balclutha the mayor down there Bryan Cadogan is very upset about that. I know my good friend Hamish Walker the MP for Clutha-Southland is very concerned about that.I do want to give the Government a little bit of credit for the announcement made just on the weekend about the integrated safety response pilot because this was an initiative trialled under the National Government in Hamilton and Christchurch as members will be aware in 2016 quite a significant investment and it's an expensive programme but it's an investment that makes a difference and it is well worth doing because it does change lives. I do welcome the announcement from the Government about the expansion and the continuation of this programme. I have to say I think that they should have done it in the estimates that we're talking about. They should have done it in last year's Budget because actually the money runs out on 30 June 2019—so in just a few short weeks' time. Actually it would have been better to give certainty to the initiative last year but it's great to see that programme rolling out and we look forward to the investment in the Budget.Look the interesting thing about the estimates we're talking about that we examined in relation to police—which I have the privilege of being the spokesperson for—is that the Minister didn't get all he wanted. So the Minister was advised by Treasury and by the police in a leaked Cabinet paper one of many leaks that we in the National Party get—oh I see my good friend Hamish Walker's entered the Chamber. We have just been talking about the 24/7 police coverage down in Balclutha. You're doing a great job on that Hamish—I know you're very concerned about it. But to go back to the point about the money the Minister was told to roll out the 1800 police the coalition commitment to roll it out within three years which is what they've committed to. He required $515.3 million over four years—Hon Member: How much?CHRIS BISHOP: It was $515.3 million—quite a significant sum of money. Well what did he get in Budget 2018 in the estimates we're talking about? He got $299 million—$298.8 million to be precise. So there's a $216 million gap there. I'll tell you what: if that's not filled in this year's Budget coming up next week next Thursday—just nine days' time—the Police Association and the police are going to be very upset and rightly so because 1800 new police over three years is a coalition commitment—and I'll get to exactly how they're tracking on that in a minute. But they need the money and the money at the moment is not there. In fact Stuart Nash admits this because when I questioned him about it in the select committee he freely admitted "Oh I'm going to have to go back and get a top-up. I have to go back to Grant Robertson." Now Grant Robertson is no fiscal Scrooge. On this side of the Chamber we would certainly not regard him as some sort of fiscal dry—certainly no fiscal discipline. I'm telling you now that Ministers of Finance do not like it when Ministers stand up in Parliament or the select committee and admit that they have to go back and get more money because I'll tell you what that does: that puts the pressure on him to deliver the money and Ministers of Finance do not like being pressured. You know old mate Stuart Nash has done it. Good on him and I'm sure they'll be having a constructive and robust I think is the language we use—"robust" is the word of the day when it comes to working round here. It will be a robust conversation between Stuart Nash and Grant Robertson.Just on the 1800 new police: well this is a fail—this is a dismal failure. Stuart Nash has now been reduced to counting back to July 2017 when he wasn't the Minister of Police to counting all the new cops that the National Government funded and then he starts to try and count the cops—he doesn't take into account all the attrition even though he's on the record as saying he has to take account of the net new police. Well the real number is 496 in 18 months. They are not on track to delivering 1800 new police over the next three years. This is an incompetent and useless Government and the Budget in a few days' time will show it."