Tolley AnneHon ANNE TOLLEY (Minister for Social Development): I just want to take a call as the Minister who appeared in front of the select committee in two areas: first of all the Ministry of Social Development (MSD) and then the Ministry for Vulnerable Children Oranga Tamariki. Just in response to the member who has resumed her seat Poto Williams can I say that that reduction in community services funding is a result of the one-off funding that was part of the community investment programme that ran over 4 years actually and was the last of that money that was provided to build capability to help community services build the infrastructure that was needed in order to move to results-based funding. So it was one-off funding and it was always promised for 1 year and of course it disappeared at the end of that year.I just want to touch on one particular thing for MSD in the Budget and that is the $19.5 million over the next 3 years to expand that intensive support for up to 1500 young New Zealanders. This is a particular target group that we have been quite worried about. They are now aged 25 to 29 but they entered the benefit system under the age of 20 and they entered the benefit system at the time of the global financial crisis. This is not peculiar to just New Zealand. This is from talking with others around the world dealing with a similar age group who had the financial crisis not happened would probably have left their training and gone into work and sustained that employment. For some reason they seem to be trawling through the benefit system actually finding work but not sustaining it and are returning to the benefit system. So this $19.5 million is particularly targeted at that group of young New Zealanders whom we want to assist. Well first of all we would like to find out what the barrier is to them being retained in employment and secondly then put in place any steps that we can to help them maintain that employment—so it is a particular group and I think it is going to be money well spent on that section of New Zealanders.Of course a large part of the time with the select committee in the Estimates was around the second year of considerable funding into the new Ministry for Vulnerable Children Oranga Tamariki. There were a number of streams of work: first of all an increase in base funding to maintain the existing services. It is very important when you are reforming a service and expanding their reach that you maintain those essential services at the core which are for about 5500 young people who are in the care of the State. But in addition to that we increased the age in the legislation last year so $71 million went straight into the Budget in order to maintain those young people within the State services for another year.There is $11.7 million over the next 2 years to trial and evaluate community-based remand centres for young offenders. There has been quite some publicity in recent months about young people being in police cells and none of us want that. That is not a great place for a young person to be. Sometimes it is the safest place for them to be at a particular time. But despite the fact that we have youth residences of a very high standard providing good services around those young offenders we know that the best way to deal with some of those young people while they are on remand—so before they actually go into the Youth Court—is by keeping them in their communities. So it is by keeping them there where they have all the support from their whānau from the wider iwi and in many cases from their schools and that wider community support. That is not an easy thing to put into place and so we managed to convince the Minister of Finance that this was something that needed to be trialled and evaluated to see whether in fact we would get better outcomes for those young people by retaining them in their communities and wrapping that intensive care around them from the time that they come to our attention. So even before they go into court making sure that we are getting some support into them identifying education issues—money very well spent.