Bayly Andrew; Rurawhe AdrianANDREW BAYLY (National—Hunua): Well what a boring speech. I think that it looked like it had come from some PR from the ninth floor actually. Hon Scott Simpson: No passion.ANDREW BAYLY: Yeah no passion delivered. It was rather robotic. And if you're going to be talking about something you really believe in get into it. Show some passion. So the question for me is: what do I talk about? You know there are quite a few different issues. It could be the economy and I've heard the Hon Paul Goldsmith's talk about that. That's not going well you know. Every 1 percent drop in GDP is $3 billion of lost activity in the economy. That means fewer lattes fewer people being employed fewer people growing their businesses taking on staff. Well I can talk about that.Nikki Kaye did a pretty good speech around education or certainly highlighted some of the issues there today. And then—oh actually I think I've got to talk about that wrecking ball that wrecking ball called KiwiBuild that slayer of reputations that thing that has just highlighted one of the biggest issues about this Government this combined Labour - New Zealand First and the Greens Government which is that inability to actually do what you're going to say you're going to do that ability to implement that ability to deliver. That is the issue with this Government. I do not think there is a better example of that than what we've seen in KiwiBuild and it's wrong because actually in New Zealand we wanted the Government to build some houses. We do need houses—we all recognise that—not only the houses for first-home buyers but the social houses all that range of things. All New Zealanders wanted it and we wanted them to build houses because there is an issue. We recognise that. But what have we ended up with? It's hard to get a handle on it but I think it's 258 houses that have been built by this Government in 20 months—in 20 months. Tim van de Molen: What was their target?ANDREW BAYLY: The original target—that's right Mr van de Molen. The original target—I think it was a thousand wasn't it in the first year and then 2000 and then 5000 and then 10000. But it's that slogan. I just heard another slogan before. It's that slogan: 100000 homes in 10 years.This is the issue—this is the issue. They are not even going to get close to it. And unfortunately we've seen one Minister get shunted off this project because he was very good at claiming and making all these aspersions when he was in Opposition but actually in Government it's a lot different. And actually we've now ended up with a mess because unfortunately the worst thing that's happened under this Government is that by adopting this brand of KiwiBuild and putting so much store in it and then not delivering on it unfortunately that brand has probably been destroyed. It'll be a question for us in 2020—what we might do with that brand; whether in fact we want to take it forward and continue with it or whether in fact we need to rebrand it because we do need to build houses and we will be building houses.The interesting thing is that I went to the Registered Master Builders' Constructive forum last Thursday—Fletcher Tabuteau: Constructive forum? Are you sure that's what it was called?ANDREW BAYLY: Yes it was. It was Mr Tabuteau. There were about 600 attendees. These were all people who are developers large-scale builders and contractors and also smaller builders that obviously build a lot of houses. It was insightful because these people after the last election were hopeful. In fact many of them said that they were hopeful but a lot of the undercurrent—and some people were very explicit about it in their speeches saying how disappointed they were with all the fine rhetoric that had been said up to and after the 2017 election. Where we are now in 2019 and the absolute lack of clarity the lack of delivery—and it was slightly sad but the worst thing: I was there for the session when Ministers Twyford and Salesa were giving a speech about the Government's objectives going forward. Mr Twyford talked very highfalutin about what they're going to do around developing economic policy and then Minister Salesa talked about what she was doing in the building construction industry. I've got to say—and I don't wish it ill—it was actually embarrassing and I know a number of people said that and the media reports have said it subsequently.There were two key issues. One was around procurement practices in general and how they're carried out both by Government and also by territorial local authorities—and central government procures about $43 billion a year just to put it in context. So that was the first question: how do we improve procurement practices? But the underlying and the overarching theme was this issue around how risk is allocated appropriately between parties—whether they be central government and the building firm and the developer or architect and the designer. And this is something that all these people in the industry—and it's a massive industry; 250000 people employed in it. This was the central issue for the day. The Ministers were tested repeatedly and unfortunately in many occasions it showed up that our Ministers and particularly the Hon Jenny Salesa did not understand what special conditions were as part of a contracting arrangement. That is where risk allocation is made and assigned in a contract and I could tell that the 600 people unfortunately found out that we do not have people that actually know what they're talking about in detail about this industry—Hon Scott Simpson: Just not competent.ANDREW BAYLY: That's right; not competent. I think it's unfortunate because we shouldn't be having Ministers in that situation because it is a huge huge industry and for that reason I was slightly—I was glad I was down the back; let's put it that way.What I would have expected to hear in this industry were things around what we are doing around the shortfall—bringing in and dealing with a shortfall of people in the industry. We need about another 50000 to 80000 people and in figures supplied by the Hon Chris Hipkins even he acknowledged there's been only a very small portion. We train about 46000 apprentices in New Zealand but the change—the ripping out and the closing down of BCITOs the building and construction industry training organisations—is something that we are fundamentally opposed to because this is an entity that trains half of our apprentices and does exceptionally well in terms of building the level of apprentices. This proposal to rip that apart and centralise it and have some bureaucrat running it is implacably opposed by us and I know that many in the industry are very very concerned about it.The other issue I heard nothing about in the speeches is consenting issues and we do have some fundamental issues with consenting. We have delays in terms of people getting building consents we have delays in terms of getting resource consents and we have delays in getting issuance of certificates of code of compliance. All of that is holding up the industry holding up new developments and if you wanted new houses to come on board as a Minister that'd be one of the first things you'd focus on because that's where the biggest element of delay occurs in terms of starting and commencing projects.I also didn't hear anything from the Ministers about encouraging new products and technologies and we've got a CodeMark system in New Zealand that the Australians—we used to do it jointly with the Australians.Fletcher Tabuteau: It's still there. It's OK.ANDREW BAYLY: They have now walked away from it. The Australians have walked away from it Mr Tabuteau and we do not have a CodeMark system that works well and there are no initiatives around how we might improve it. I heard nothing about warranty statements from suppliers of products that are less risky which is a key factor the industry is asking for—absolutely zilch from the Ministers because they haven't done their homework.Then I heard nothing about off-site manufacturing although there has been lots of rhetoric from this Government about off-site manufacturing. The only first attempt has unfortunately been the Stanley Group involvement with the 68 apartments in Māngere. We as a Government as this Government should have done should actually support that and underpin that industry quite significantly in terms of making sure that the scale of that industry could get up and running very quickly—but again silence.The last issue which again is most pertinent is the one around contracting arrangements and looking after subcontractors. Again just the issue has not been dealt with—not even discussed—and I don't think that's appropriate because subcontractors need to be looked after. At least Nick Smith put in the retentions Act which has gone some way to protecting them but nothing from this Government because it doesn't know how to implement and deliver an outcome.ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Adrian Rurawhe): This is a split call. I call Fletcher Tabuteau—five minutes.