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Williams Andrew: South Taranaki District Council (Cold Creek Rural Water Supply) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
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ANDREW WILLIAMS (NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. You did raise the fact that you had heard from the whip but I do not think you have heard from the senior whip. Could the senior whip confirm?
Tisch Lindsay: South Taranaki District Council (Cold Creek Rural Water Supply) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
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Tisch Lindsay: South Taranaki District Council (Cold Creek Rural Water Supply) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: I thank the member. I know and as I was—[ 
Interruption 
] Order! At this stage we are talking about Supplementary Order Paper 179. We are not talking about Part 2—[ 
Interruption 
] Hang on. We have done Part 1. We are talking about Supplementary Order Paper 179 in the name of Andrew Williams. That is what the vote is about. I have heard the arguments. I was here during the whole debate so I know what the point is that the member in his first point of order is making. However I am in the hands of the whips and the whips have the authority to cast the vote. If it is wrong the record can be corrected at a later date but at this stage it is not for me to determine the parties’ votes; it is up to the whips of the parties. So at this stage we have—
King Annette: South Taranaki District Council (Cold Creek Rural Water Supply) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
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King Annette: South Taranaki District Council (Cold Creek Rural Water Supply) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
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Hon ANNETTE KING (Labour—Rongotai) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I just happen to have had arrive on my email a release by the Maori Party saying it has opposed the South Taranaki District Council (Cold Creek Rural Water Supply) Bill in Parliament today.
Tisch Lindsay: South Taranaki District Council (Cold Creek Rural Water Supply) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Yes well I hear what the member says. I was certainly here for the whole of this debate so I understand the point the member is making. I have to take the word of the whip. If the whip wants to confer as to the correct position then I will ask the Government whip to recast his vote. So does the—no all right—
Williams Andrew: South Taranaki District Council (Cold Creek Rural Water Supply) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
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Williams Andrew: South Taranaki District Council (Cold Creek Rural Water Supply) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
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ANDREW WILLIAMS (NZ First) 
: 
 You heard the tone of the debate. The Maori Party certainly was not in support of this. If the National Party has not had proper confirmation it would be wrong that it would vote in that manner without having that proper confirmation.
Tisch Lindsay: South Taranaki District Council (Cold Creek Rural Water Supply) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
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Tisch Lindsay: South Taranaki District Council (Cold Creek Rural Water Supply) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: I will hear from Andrew Williams.
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Williams Andrew: South Taranaki District Council (Cold Creek Rural Water Supply) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
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ANDREW WILLIAMS (NZ First) 
: 
 Point of order Mr Chairman.
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ANDREW WILLIAMS (NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. Could we have clarification that the National Party has confirmation from the Maori Party that that is the correct way it wishes to vote?
Vote: South Taranaki District Council (Cold Creek Rural Water Supply) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Mana 1. 
Noes 63 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Amendments not agreed to.
Vote: South Taranaki District Council (Cold Creek Rural Water Supply) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
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Vote: South Taranaki District Council (Cold Creek Rural Water Supply) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 1 be agreed to. 
Ayes 95 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 34; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 24 
Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Maori Party 2; Mana 1. 
Part 1 agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 179 in the name of Andrew Williams to Part 2 be agreed to.
Tisch Lindsay: South Taranaki District Council (Cold Creek Rural Water Supply) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
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Tisch Lindsay: South Taranaki District Council (Cold Creek Rural Water Supply) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Members we move to the vote. The question is that Part 1 stand part. Those of that opinion will say Aye to the contrary No. The Ayes have it. The Ayes have it? The Ayes have it. If you want a party vote you must ask for a party vote. Just voting No does not mean there will be a party vote. Does the member wish to have a party vote? 
Eugenie Sage 
: Yes please. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: I will ask the Clerk for a party vote.
Henare Tau: General Debate 
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Henare Tau: General Debate 
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Hon TAU HENARE (National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I am wondering whether you could help me a wee bit here and maybe not make a ruling straight away but come back with maybe a definitive answer with regards to the contempt of the House. Not so long ago I read a tweet. I will not say the other person’s name but it was a disgraceful display of partiality by the speaker—not good enough again. “Under Lockwood Smith if we asked straight questions we got straight answers. That’s not the case under David Carter. Disgraceful.” I do not care who said it but I want the Speaker to be able to go away with regard to examples of contempt and bringing a reflection on the Chair which is a reflection on us and the Standing Orders. I wonder whether you could with regards to the use of social media go away and give us a learned—
Roy Eric: South Taranaki District Council (Cold Creek Rural Water Supply) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
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Roy Eric: South Taranaki District Council (Cold Creek Rural Water Supply) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: He did chair the select committee process. We will take the whip’s word for that.
Upston Louise: South Taranaki District Council (Cold Creek Rural Water Supply) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
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Upston Louise: South Taranaki District Council (Cold Creek Rural Water Supply) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
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LOUISE UPSTON (Senior Whip—National) 
: 
 I have an assurance that the member in charge of the bill has given permission for Mr Auchinvole to sit in the chair.
Mallard Trevor: South Taranaki District Council (Cold Creek Rural Water Supply) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
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Mallard Trevor: South Taranaki District Council (Cold Creek Rural Water Supply) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
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Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I am just seeking an assurance from the member in the chair that he is there with the consent of the member in charge of the bill because that is required. It is not a case of Ministers being able to fill in for any other Minister. I think you do need the consent.
Roy Eric: South Taranaki District Council (Cold Creek Rural Water Supply) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
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Roy Eric: South Taranaki District Council (Cold Creek Rural Water Supply) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: Well we have not started yet and I was going to attend to that. We need a member to take the chair please. Mr Auchinvole? Thank you.
Mallard Trevor: South Taranaki District Council (Cold Creek Rural Water Supply) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
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Mallard Trevor: South Taranaki District Council (Cold Creek Rural Water Supply) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
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Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. It is traditional when we are in Committee for the member in charge of the bill or some other member—
Tisch Lindsay: South Taranaki District Council (Cold Creek Rural Water Supply) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
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Tisch Lindsay: South Taranaki District Council (Cold Creek Rural Water Supply) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
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The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Leave has been sought for that purpose—that the debate be taken as one question and then the votes be taken separately. Leave is sought for that purpose. Is there any objection? There is no objection.
Upston Louise: South Taranaki District Council (Cold Creek Rural Water Supply) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
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Upston Louise: South Taranaki District Council (Cold Creek Rural Water Supply) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
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LOUISE UPSTON (Senior Whip—National) 
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 I seek leave for this debate to be taken as one part and for the questions to be put separately at the debate’s conclusion.
Vote: Waitaki District Council Reserves and Other Land Empowering Bill — Third Reading 
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Vote: Waitaki District Council Reserves and Other Land Empowering Bill — Third Reading 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Waitaki District Council Reserves and Other Land Empowering Bill be now read a third time. 
Ayes 98 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 34; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 22 
Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Mana 1. 
Bill read a third time.
McClay Todd: Waitaki District Council Reserves and Other Land Empowering Bill — Third Reading 
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McClay Todd: Waitaki District Council Reserves and Other Land Empowering Bill — Third Reading 
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TODD McCLAY (National—Rotorua) 
: 
 From  
Play School 
 to the Waitaki District Council Reserves and Other Land Empowering Bill Jacqui Dean is a hard-working MP. I congratulate her on that—a local MP working hard for local people. It is a very good local bill. I commend this bill to the House.
Tisch Lindsay: Waitaki District Council Reserves and Other Land Empowering Bill — Third Reading 
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Tisch Lindsay: Waitaki District Council Reserves and Other Land Empowering Bill — Third Reading 
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The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch) 
: I understand the next call is a split call. The Hon— 
Darien Fenton 
: No. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch) 
: It is not a split call? My apologies. The Hon David Parker—10 minutes.
Auchinvole Chris: Waitaki District Council Reserves and Other Land Empowering Bill — Third Reading 
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Auchinvole Chris: Waitaki District Council Reserves and Other Land Empowering Bill — Third Reading 
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CHRIS AUCHINVOLE (National) 
: 
 I wish to commend the Waitaki District Council Reserves and Other Land Empowering Bill to the House. Thank you.
Robertson H V Ross: Waitaki District Council Reserves and Other Land Empowering Bill — Third Reading 
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Robertson H V Ross: Waitaki District Council Reserves and Other Land Empowering Bill — Third Reading 
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The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Order! We have all had a bit of fun at Aaron’s expense.
Gilmore Aaron: Waitaki District Council Reserves and Other Land Empowering Bill — Third Reading 
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Gilmore Aaron: Waitaki District Council Reserves and Other Land Empowering Bill — Third Reading 
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AARON GILMORE (National) 
: 
 It gives me enormous pleasure to stand and speak after Andrew Williams the member I have just heard. It brings me to some questions people are asking me about why I came back to Parliament. New Zealand First and the Greens which stand for nothing create nothing and make no progress are the reason why I decided to come back to Parliament and make New Zealand a better place. 
As a Waitaki District Council ratepayer actually I think it is an important thing to empower locals to make local decisions about local assets. That is what this Government under John Key believes in and that is what I think this bill the Waitaki District Council Reserves and Other Land Empowering Bill brings. That is why the great member Jacqui Dean has brought this bill to the House: to empower local people to make local decisions about local assets. It is absolute scaremongering to worry about all the other things that the two other members from those parties have spoken about. I commend this bill to the House. [ 
Interruption 
]
Robertson H V Ross: Waitaki District Council Reserves and Other Land Empowering Bill — Third Reading 
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Robertson H V Ross: Waitaki District Council Reserves and Other Land Empowering Bill — Third Reading 
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The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Ah! Mr Gilmore. Welcome back Mr Gilmore.
Barry Maggie: Waitaki District Council Reserves and Other Land Empowering Bill — Third Reading 
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Barry Maggie: Waitaki District Council Reserves and Other Land Empowering Bill — Third Reading 
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MAGGIE BARRY (National—North Shore) 
: 
 This is a piece of legislation that has been around before the House for a very very long time. The Waitaki District Council Reserves and Other Land Empowering Bill has been endlessly tracked over at the Local Government and Environment Committee. In the submissions and at the first and second readings it has been all exhaustively discussed. Much has been said latterly by the member who has just resumed her seat. I would point out to her that she thinks that one of our members is unaware of what goes on in an urban jungle. I would put to you that the Greens do not know what is going on in the real world because they do not have electorates of their own that they are responsible for and they talk only to people who think the way they do. But that is an aside. 
I would like to congratulate Jacqui Dean on being such an outstanding local member of Parliament. I would also like to congratulate the chair of the Local Government and Environment Committee Nicky Wagner who has done an excellent job in guiding this through the select committee. It has been a lengthy process—a very lengthy process indeed—and I am very pleased to see it go through its third reading. I do commend this bill to the House.
Goldsmith Paul: Waitaki District Council Reserves and Other Land Empowering Bill — Third Reading 
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Goldsmith Paul: Waitaki District Council Reserves and Other Land Empowering Bill — Third Reading 
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PAUL GOLDSMITH (National) 
: 
 I am very happy to speak briefly in support of this excellent bill the Waitaki District Council Reserves and Other Land Empowering Bill brought to the House through the good offices of Jacqui Dean and a wonderful local MP she is. This bill as we have heard clarifies the ownership of a number of pieces of land—in particular Lookout Point also known as Forrester Heights. At bottom I can fully understand the concerns of some of the local citizens that they would prefer that this park remain a reserve and in public ownership for ever and a day because I am sure it is a beautiful part of what is a nice town down there in Oamaru. But I do think we need to be a little bit careful about that instinct. 
I started an exercise when I first came into Parliament to try to work out the amount of land owned by the State. Tallying it up so far I have got to 46.65 percent of the land mass of New Zealand in State ownership. [ 
Interruption 
] I cannot give you the square acreage I am sorry Mr McClay but 46 percent is quite a stunning figure. So 33 percent of the land mass of New Zealand is with the Department of Conservation another 8 percent with Land Information New Zealand and so on until you get to 46 percent but I am sure there is more. So there is no shortage of public ownership of land in New Zealand—in fact I think we have probably got too much land owned by the State. And all of it when it is owned by Governments and councils needs to be maintained and locked up. Here is a proposal to subdivide some of this land and reduce the burden of ratepayers and I think that is very sensible indeed. It is about using some of the land in this country for development and this bill will make this easier. It has sorted out a longstanding historical problem and I congratulate the member Jacqui Dean on bringing this to a successful fruition. Thank you very much.
Robertson H V Ross: Waitaki District Council Reserves and Other Land Empowering Bill — Third Reading 
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The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: OK. Thank you. So the member is clear now? OK.
Macindoe Tim: Waitaki District Council Reserves and Other Land Empowering Bill — Third Reading 
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Macindoe Tim: Waitaki District Council Reserves and Other Land Empowering Bill — Third Reading 
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TIM MACINDOE (Junior Whip—National) 
: 
 I seek leave for this debate to be taken as one part and for the questions to be put separately at the debate’s conclusion. [ 
Interruption 
] 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Sorry? 
Kevin Hague 
: This is a third reading Mr Speaker. 
TIM MACINDOE 
: I do apologise; I got ahead of myself.
Robertson H V Ross: General Debate 
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Robertson H V Ross: General Debate 
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The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Thank you for your explanation Mr Mallard.
Mallard Trevor: General Debate 
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Mallard Trevor: General Debate 
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Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I think possibly if you had heard this it would have helped. I think the member was not trying to raise a matter of privilege with you; he was asking whether in fact privilege could be breached by way of social media in the way it can be by way of traditional media. I am sure you do not need a considered ruling to tell a member that it can be.
Robertson H V Ross: General Debate 
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Robertson H V Ross: General Debate 
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The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Can I just respond to the member? 
Hon Trevor Mallard 
: Speaking to the point of order Mr Speaker. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Well I have got the matter here Mr Mallard. It is raising a matter of privilege and I would like to quote to the member. It is Standing Orders 399(2) and 399(1). I quote from Standing Order 399(1) first: “A member may raise a matter of privilege with the Speaker in writing at the earliest opportunity.” so the member should do that. Standing Order 399(2) says: “In any case a matter of privilege must be raised before the next sitting of the House or if the matter relates to the proceedings of a select committee before the commencement of the sitting of the House following the day of the next meeting of the committee concerned.” So the member needs to raise the issue directly by writing to the Speaker at his earliest convenience. Thank you.
Carter David: Urgent Debates Declined — Skycity Convention Centre—Report of Deputy Auditor-General into Expressions of Interest Process 
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Carter David: Urgent Debates Declined — Skycity Convention Centre—Report of Deputy Auditor-General into Expressions of Interest Process 
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Mr SPEAKER 
: I do apologise Mr Mallard. I have received a letter from Grant Robertson seeking to debate under Standing Order 386 the report from the Deputy Controller and Auditor-General on the Skycity convention centre. The release of the report is a matter of recent occurrence. As an Auditor-General’s report there is no ministerial responsibility for the report itself though I do accept that it deals with matters involving ministerial responsibility. 
The test for whether a particular case requires the immediate attention of the House is a high one. The report finds no evidence that the final decision to negotiate with Skycity was influenced by any inappropriate consideration but it raises some process concerns. There must be an element of urgency for a matter to take precedence over other business. Working through the concerns raised may take some time. The purpose of an urgent debate is to hold the Government accountable for its decisions. The Government is accountable for the concerns raised but this is an ongoing matter. To warrant an urgent debate being held there must be a new situation or decision of importance in itself. Good practice for public sector purchasing is important to public confidence and our system of government but I am not convinced that the matters have reached the point where I would be justified in setting aside the business of the House today. There are other occasions on which this matter can be debated. The application is therefore declined.
Mallard Trevor: Urgent Debates Declined — Skycity Convention Centre—Report of Deputy Auditor-General into Expressions of Interest Process 
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Mallard Trevor: Urgent Debates Declined — Skycity Convention Centre—Report of Deputy Auditor-General into Expressions of Interest Process 
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Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I apologise to members but I think there was an urgent debate you might have to rule on.
Carter David: Urgent Debates Declined — Skycity Convention Centre—Report of Deputy Auditor-General into Expressions of Interest Process 
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Carter David: Urgent Debates Declined — Skycity Convention Centre—Report of Deputy Auditor-General into Expressions of Interest Process 
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Mr SPEAKER 
: Would some honourable member care to move that the House take note of miscellaneous business?
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Horan Brendan: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
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1. 
BRENDAN HORAN (Independent) 
 to the  
Member in charge of the Tasman District Council (Validation and Recovery of Certain Rates) Bill 
: What is the purpose of the Tasman District Council (Validation and Recovery of Certain Rates) Bill? 
DAMIEN O’CONNOR (Member in charge of the Tasman District Council (Validation and Recovery of Certain Rates) Bill) 
: 
 Back to the future. The purpose of this bill is to correct a number of irregularities that occurred when the council set and assessed the rates for the Tasman District Council between 2003 and 2009. The council also wants to address the irregularity with the Ligar Bay and Tata Beach stormwater rates that were set for the 2006-07 financial year. 
Brendan Horan 
: Does he think it reasonable for the Tasman District Council— 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Order! The difficulty the member has got now is he is seeking an opinion. The supplementary question on this occasion must relate to the member’s responsibility for that bill. So if the member can phrase the question under that regime rather than seeking an opinion that will be adequate. 
Brendan Horan 
: Given the member’s answer that it is desirable to address these irregularities is that reasonable given that the Tasman District Council has paid its chief executives over $2.5 million— 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Order! No. I rule that supplementary question out of order.
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Mitchell Mark: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
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11. 
MARK MITCHELL (National—Rodney) 
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Minister of Corrections 
: What announcements has she made on improving prisoner employment training in New Zealand prisons? 
Hon ANNE TOLLEY (Minister of Corrections) 
: 
 More good news. Yesterday I announced that GPS monitoring will be extended to prisoners on Release to Work schemes. Initially up to 40 prisoners from Hawke’s Bay Regional Prison Spring Hill Corrections Facility Auckland Region Women’s Corrections Facility and Rolleston Prison will have ankle bracelets fitted that will monitor offenders in real time while they work outside the wire. 
Mark Mitchell 
: What impact does the Release to Work programme have on reoffending rates? 
Hon ANNE TOLLEY 
: The Release to Work programme has a significant impact on reoffending rates. Research has shown that reoffending rates were reduced by 16.7 percent for prisoners who participated in the programme. The research also found that nearly half of the prisoners involved in Release to Work kept their job after the release. Having a stable job after release from prison is a key element in stopping someone from continuing a life of crime.
Hague Kevin: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
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Hague Kevin: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
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9. 
KEVIN HAGUE (Green) 
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Minister of Trade 
: Will New Zealand support Australia’s objection to signing up to investor-state dispute provisions in the Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement; if not why not? 
Hon TIM GROSER (Minister of Trade) 
: 
 New Zealand is strongly supporting Australia in the related case in the World Trade Organization and will continue to do so. The Trans-Pacific Partnership however is a negotiation and we no more negotiate for Australia than Australia negotiates for New Zealand. If the member is interested in our substantive negotiating position on this issue he could simply refer to a very recent and comprehensive reply from the Prime Minister on this point to the leader of his own party. 
Kevin Hague 
: Why is the Government willing to sign up to investor-State dispute provisions when Australia refuses to do so because it means that it can be sued for making laws to protect Australians like plain packaging for tobacco? 
Hon TIM GROSER 
: Well the Government is not prepared to sign up to such unqualified provisions and will not do so. 
Kevin Hague 
: Is the Minister ruling out the Government signing up to any provision that might allow investor-State dispute provisions by big tobacco companies? 
Hon TIM GROSER 
: No of course I am not on behalf of the Government ruling out signing up to any agreement. We are looking towards a well-constructed agreement along the lines that the previous Labour Government—in our view very correctly—agreed to in a number of trade agreements. Without similar provisions with similar public policy protections giving policy space to future Governments we will not be signing a thing. 
Kevin Hague 
: What advice has he received or sought on the likely cost in New Zealanders’ lives lost of the delay due to trade considerations in implementing plain packaging requirements for cigarettes? 
Hon TIM GROSER 
: I as the trade Minister have sought no such advice on that matter. 
Kevin Hague 
: Indeed. What guarantee can he give New Zealanders that the Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement will not give multinational tobacco companies even more opportunity to maximise profit by blackmailing a timid Government into stalling public health measures? 
Hon TIM GROSER 
: I refer to my previous statements.
Sabin Mike: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
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Sabin Mike: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
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7. 
MIKE SABIN (National—Northland) 
 to the  
Associate Minister for Social Development 
: What steps is the Government taking to reduce welfare fraud? 
Hon CHESTER BORROWS (Associate Minister for Social Development) 
: 
 Today I announced new measures to prevent detect and deter welfare fraud. We know that the vast majority—more than the vast majority—of the 340000 beneficiaries in this country are honest and follow the rules but fraud even from a small minority is unacceptable. That is why the Government is equipping the Ministry of Social Development with the ability to target high-value fraud to prevent reoffending by known fraudsters and to recover money that is taken faster. These changes will help us ensure that the welfare system is there to support the needy and not be taken advantage of by the greedy. 
Mike Sabin 
: How much money is lost to welfare fraud each year and what effect will these changes have on that loss? 
Hon CHESTER BORROWS 
: A small minority who rip off the welfare system cost the taxpayer a sizable amount of money. Last year 714 people were convicted of fraud totalling over $23 million. A further $18 million was taken by dishonest overpayments where there was insufficient evidence to prosecute. These changes will help us stop that money going out the door in the first place and to recover what is taken even faster. They aim to deliver on the Government’s election commitment to catch prevent and recover $200 million worth of welfare fraud over the next 4 years. 
Mike Sabin 
: How will these new measures prevent reoffending by known welfare fraudsters? 
Hon CHESTER BORROWS 
: Three-quarters of the people we caught last year who were taking money they were not entitled to had previously been investigated for potential welfare fraud. Even though we know these people have been dishonest before too many of them end up reoffending. Starting this year these people will find their future interactions with Work and Income subject to greater scrutiny and we will restrict their access to self-service options and place a higher bar for them to prove that they are not trying to rip off the taxpayer again. Although they will still receive what they are entitled to there will be strong barriers in place to stop them from taking more than that again.
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DENIS O’ROURKE (NZ First) 
 to the  
Minister for Canterbury Earthquake Recovery 
: What criteria did he use in deciding that owners of vacant sections in the red zone of Christchurch should only be compensated at half of the sections’ most recent rateable value? 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (Minister for Canterbury Earthquake Recovery) 
: 
 There has been no decision to compensate the owners of vacant land in the red zones in Christchurch. There has rather been an offer to purchase that vacant land in those red zones and that offer has been made to the owners of those properties. The criteria for determining the offer were in relation to the original red zone offer to insured homeowners in those areas where we sought to give those people certainty simplicity and confidence moving forward. The plan was to get those families in the worst-affected areas into positions where they could move on with their lives. By very definition people who own vacant land are not living on it. 
Denis O’Rourke 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. The question was very specific in asking about the criteria for valuing the compensation offered by way of offer which was only half of the rateable value. I do not believe that question actually was answered. All sorts of other things were said but there was no actual information about the criteria that led to a 50 percent offer. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The question was around compensation and the Minister started his answer by saying they are not offering compensation; they are offering to purchase. He then went on to say that the two criteria that were important were the opportunity to give certainty to those people with that land and confidence to move forward. I would have thought that adequately answered the question. The member has further supplementary questions. 
Denis O’Rourke 
: Given that it is standard practice to pay full market value when the Government compulsorily acquires private land why was fair and established practice not followed when effectively compulsorily purchasing red zone vacant sections irrespective of whether there is any land damage or not; or is the Government just taking advantage of a disaster situation to get the land on the cheap? 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE 
: Firstly I refute many of the allegations and inferences in the member’s question. But what I will say is this: if he wants to insist that the Government pay market valuation for those sections he does not do those people any good at all. We had a valuation conducted on 4136 properties on 30 June 2012 and the result of that was that the market value assessed for those properties was $2600 per property. If he wants to get the map good luck with his crusade. I want to be more generous and give them 50 percent of the 2007 valuation.
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The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: I am sorry to interrupt the honourable member the time has come for me to report progress. 
Progress to be reported presently. 
House resumed. 
The Chairperson reported the Privacy (Information Sharing) Bill with amendment and that the Committee had divided it into three bills the International Finance Agreements Amendment Bill without amendment and progress on the Environment Canterbury (Temporary Commissioners and Improved Water Management) Amendment Bill. 
Report adopted.
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JAMI-LEE ROSS (Junior Whip—National) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
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Hon ANNETTE KING (Labour—Rongotai) 
: 
 Part 1 of the Environment Canterbury (Temporary Commissioners and Improved Water Management) Amendment Bill is really the guts of the whole matter because this is about the right to have a vote in 2013 being taken away from the people of Canterbury. I am really disappointed that the three Ministers of Local Government from the National Government who were elected to Parliament under a democratic vote into a democratic Parliament—well at least on this side—could ignore the wishes of the people of Canterbury in such a cavalier manner.
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That schedule 1 be agreed to. 
Ayes 105 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 34; New Zealand First 7; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 15 
Green Party 14; Mana 1. 
Schedule 1 agreed to.
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That clause 6 be agreed to. 
Ayes 105 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 34; New Zealand First 7; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 15 
Green Party 14; Mana 1. 
Clause 6 agreed to.
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 64 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 56 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Mana 1. 
Motion agreed to.
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MAGGIE BARRY (National—North Shore) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
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The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: The question is that the question— 
Maggie Barry 
: Mr Chair. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: Maggie Barry. 
Hon Trevor Mallard 
: I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. Maggie Barry sat. She was not standing when you called her and therefore you are not entitled to give her the call. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: Well it is my judgment where I give the call. She stood first and called first. I started to put the question. I reverted to the first person who called.
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The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: The question is— 
Hon Trevor Mallard 
: Mr Chairman— 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: Are you seeking a call? 
Hon Trevor Mallard 
: I am. That is why I stood up and said “Mr Chairman”. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: I did not hear “Mr Chairman”. It must have been very dulcet. I will accept that the member said it and I will give him the call.
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MARK MITCHELL (National—Rodney) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That clause 5 be agreed to. 
Ayes 105 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 34; New Zealand First 7; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 15 
Green Party 14; Mana 1. 
Clause 5 agreed to.
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 71 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand First 7; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 49 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; Mana 1. 
Motion agreed to.
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ALFRED NGARO (National) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
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The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: We have a typescript amendment in the name of the Hon David Parker to delete clause 4. This is out of order as a direct negative of the question and the proper course of action in this case is for the party to vote against clause 4. This is covered by  
McGee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 64 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Mana 1; Independent: Horan. 
Motion agreed to.
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JAMI-LEE ROSS (Junior Whip—National) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That clause 4 be agreed to. 
Ayes 64 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Mana 1; Independent: Horan. 
Clause 4 agreed to.