Fox MaramaMARAMA FOX (Co-Leader—Māori Party): You know what? I really really want to work with this Government to support the establishment of Oranga Tamariki in a way that is beneficial for all New Zealand—I do. I know that the members of the Opposition also want to work to secure the future of our most vulnerable children. There are just a number of things that give us grave concern and this is one of them—the sharing of information.The Minister spoke about Whānau Ora being an example of where information is shared but let me tell you the clear difference is that the Whānau Ora navigator comes and sits with the whānau and asks them: What do you want? How can we assist you? How can we make that happen and then whom do we need to get involved in order to do that and navigate the bureaucracy that has become our system?". That is clean because it works with the whānau and if there is information to be shared they are fully aware. It benefits their purpose and they understand what it is going to be used for. What is happening here is a collection of information that is going to follow those people around forever and I am not clear—it is not clear to me—what information they are asking for. Is it just their name just their address—but even then is it coming from somebody like they have pointed out who said: "If I had known that my name would be passed on to other people I would not have come."?Last week I had the opportunity to travel with the Justice and Electoral Committee to Australia and attend the Royal commission of enquiry into the institutional response to children who had been sexually abused. We had a moment to speak with the chief commissioner of that inquiry—which has been happening for 5 years—and he said that on average if a male has been abused it takes him 30 years to build up the courage to present and tell their story. On average if a female child has been abused it takes them 20 years to front up and tell their story.We talked about the statute of limitations being moved. If there is more pressure being put on people who are voluntarily trying to fix their own pathways because of the sustained abuse that they have had in their past and that information might inhibit them coming forward then that cannot happen—and I know that the Minister has said that we going to put that section on hold. Well on hold for what? On hold for how long? I do not want to be overly damning because I actually want to go and help but we need to be on the same page and sharing information from one agency to another when it is to the detriment of those people who are involved is not something that we can sign up to.There are a number of objections that we have had along the way—and I know the intent and the heart of the Minister is very real. I know that. I have sat and spoken with her and I get that but there is definitely a difference of opinion on how we come to the end point. It starts with the name—the Ministry for Vulnerable Children Oranga Tamariki. The logic behind that name would have us call the Ministry of Health the "Ministry of Sick and Dying People". The logic behind that name would have us call the Ministry of Education the "Ministry of Dumb Folks Who Need Some Learning". There is no logic behind that.Surely we must be aspirational and be aspirational in the information that we share. If saving a child is at the heart then the whānau who surrounds them also is at the heart. We are tarring people with a brush for risk profiling so that we can come in and save them from themselves before they have even presented with an issue. Have some faith in our people. Stop breaking families apart. Put support around them. That is what Whānau Ora is. That is what we advocate for. And that is what we are asking the Minister to do. Thank you."