Seymour DavidHon DAVID SEYMOUR (Associate Minister of Health (Pharmac)): Well I just want to acknowledge a couple of members that have risen to their feet and made speeches or questions. In Ingrid Leary's case an Amendment Paper that she is speaking on behalf of Ayesha Verrall—the basic thrust of the Amendment Paper is that pharmacies would be required to keep cough medicine or pseudoephedrine-based cough medicine in safes. This is something that was actually submitted on during the select committee process. I'm advised that pharmacists have made it clear to the Ministry of Health that that is impractical for them to do. Secondly I need to make it clear to the committee that it is actually not currently a requirement to keep pseudoephedrine medications in safes in pharmacists. So the notion that this legislation is taking away that requirement is untrue and not only is it untrue it couldn't be true if somebody knew that basic fact. Finally I'll just make the point that there's nothing to stop a pharmacy from keeping their pseudoephedrine-based cough and cold medicine in a safe. To legislate that they have to do it would make their business unworkable. I don't think that's a responsible thing to do. The Government does not accept that particular Amendment Paper. We a speech from Chlöe Swarbrick which appeared to be completely out of order trying to promote another policy area that is not actually a part of this debate because it is not part of what was agreed to at the second reading.Hon Dr Duncan Webb: That's not your job. We have someone else to do that for us.Hon DAVID SEYMOUR: Somebody said it is not my job. Well actually reading the Standing Orders to know what a committee stage of a debate is about—that actually is a part of my job and it might surprise the member to learn that it is part of his job too. If only he opened the Standing Orders he might be astonished what he could learn.Finally Greg O'Connor—and I've got to say while I was listening to Greg O'Connor Hello Sailor's Blue Lady" was ringing in my ears. Greg O'Connor has got to be one of the best recounters. What I took from his story about heroine in the 70s being replaced by homebake—I think what he is saying is that were the current supplies of methamphetamine which are more voluminous more available and cheaper than anything available the last time we had pseudoephedrine-based cough medicine in pharmacies; that supply to cease the way the supply of heroine ceased with the Mr Asia syndicate was blown up I think in the 1970s—it was before my time—then perhaps there would be some other substitute for example people trying to manufacture meth again. I think sadly it is unlikely that anything we're doing right now is going to stop that supply. It seems to be a strong supply. Obviously the Government is doing everything it can to stop. But were it to stop hypothetically if I'm following Mr O'Connor's analogy correctly then certainly the Government will look to stamp out any other sources of P including anything relating to the manufacture o it with other precursors or other manufacturing components such asI think he talked about a chemical red metal—you might be able to help me but I haven't written clearly enough the chemical he mentioned but—Greg O'Connor: Red phosphorus.Hon DAVID SEYMOUR: No red phosphorus yes. I think Mr O'Connor would know that the police in their enforcement activities might well look for those kinds of things but it would be wrong for the Parliament or the Government to tell them exactly what to do because we just don't direct the police in this country.Finally there were some comments from a member—I think it was Ginny Andersen—who asked about support for the drug harm in the community very similar to earlier comments by Hūhana Lyndon which I'd also addressed. In my response to those comments I pointed out that while I think it is very noble thing to have initiatives such as Te Ara Oranga in the community it is not strictly connected to this piece of legislation we're debating tonight. The assumed need for it suggests that this legislation will increase the availability of methamphetamine when all the evidence and most of the submissions that came into the select committee told us that the opposite is true."