Ball DarrochDARROCH BALL (NZ First): Thank you Madam Speaker. I would just like to address a couple of the points that Mr Bishop made and Mr Penk made as well. In fact Mr Bishop made his side of the argument quoting the cases of the likes of David Bain and Teina Pora and Mark Lundy. He used that as evidence for voting against this bill because this was the normal process. I struggle to believe that Mr Bishop doesn't understand that all of those cases weren't the normal process especially Teina Pora but with David Bain as well. I mean he mentioned the fact that Joe Karam was one of those ones that actually made publicity of the issue. I mean he can screw his face up if he wants but the fact is that those victims of gross miscarriages of justice would never have come to light unless they had a few things: one a champion of the community that believed in them enough to make enough noise for them on their behalf; that they had enough money backing them to not only make the noise but take those noises to the court and make sure the right people heard them; but also a lot of luck involved with that as well.So if it is true that the argument from the National Party is that that's the norm and that that's the status quo and that that's what's effective and therefore they're not voting for this bill then we're in real trouble because we've got an Opposition party that can't see the issues that have arisen through this justice system. Look we have a great justice system—don't be mistaken—but we will always have mistakes and we'll always have errors and issues and cases will fall through the cracks. This is what this commission—Chris Bishop: We've got three appeals.DARROCH BALL:—will help solve.Mr Bishop I believe just said Well three people." Well I'd like him to stand face to face to those people and say this isn't worth it. Mr Penk actually and I wrote down when he said it said that this is a potential to open up cans of worms when they may not need to be opened up. Well the fact of the matter is that there are some cases that absolutely need to be opened up Mr Penk. We cannot accept that the status quo is working. We cannot accept that the status quo is working.I would just like to say that it's a pleasure to support this bill not least of which because this is in the coalition agreement between the Labour Party and the New Zealand First Party. I think that if we look at the most important parts of what this commission does and brings which are different to the status quo that the National Party is not supporting it is the fact that it is independent and it has that mandate to not only review cases that are brought to its attention but also effectively investigate possible miscarriages of justice too. I think that the Minister when he gave his speech explained it quite well and I hope I can do the same in regards to the fact that part of the issue that this commission is going to be solving is the fact that miscarriages of justice do not only affect the likes of Teina Pora or those who have had it happen to them but they also dramatically affect the original victims of the original crime as well because they have the perspective that not only has the wrong person been punished for this and been held to account but the original perpetrator has not been held to account and is still out there. I think it's a very important point that the Minister made.I think what also the National Party is unfortunately missing from it is that there is quite a high threshold in order for the commission to be able to give any case to the Court of Appeal. It needs to include a number of considerations before it takes that step and it is quite a high threshold like I said. It includes that the eligible person has exercised their right of appeal; the extent to which the application relates to the argument evidence information or a question of law previously raised; and third that there is actually a prospect that the Court of Appeal will actually allow it and hear it. New Zealand First is supporting this bill. It's a very good bill and we believe that it strikes the right balance between having the high threshold but also ensuring that miscarriages of justice that need to be addressed are. Thank you."