Utikere TangiTANGI UTIKERE (Labour—Palmerston North): Kia orana. Meitaki maata Madam Chair thank you. Can I thank the Minister for Local Government for his response around the redaction. I wonder whether though—I mean it was almost feeling like a sense of déjà vu; in his other portfolio transport there are regulatory impact statements that also have redacted information that often we don't get some information about. But the Minister as I understand it has informed the House that it's for reasons of confidentiality. I would be interested in his thoughts—given that's the first response in that space—about whether there is a weight in favour of effectively waving some aspects of the confidentiality given that this will have significant implications for local communities all around the motu. I think he's seeking advice around that so perhaps we'll get a response.If I can turn my remaining thoughts to the purpose section which is clause 3 I do want to touch on clause 3(2)(b) not around the difficulty aspect but around the preparation and the question to the Minister is: at what stage does that preparation relate to? The Minister I know comes from a background of local government like myself. There are many aspects in that particular sector that preparation can sort of entail. Is it around that development phase and that a council may seek some support or advice or guidance or help or whatever it might be whether it be from Government or elsewhere or is it that there needs to be a well-defined and constructed delivery plan in place and signed off by the council and that's what triggers that aspect of preparation? So my question to the Minister is at what stage in a preparation process for those involved in the local government sector would that actually kick in? Is there a requirement for a signed off delivery plan to actually be on the table of the local government or of the council itself or actually no can councils engage at a much earlier level because they're in the process of preparation? The Minister knows given his background that there's a public consultation process. There is a process where elected members may make some of these calls themselves. There is a process where expertise whether that be within the council organisation or outside of the council organisation would be brought to the table. Where in the process at a high level can councils basically effectively hit that button where they're saying Actually there is a sense of difficulty" whatever that might mean and how they might go about it? My other question relates to the purpose clause 3(2)(c). It's not about the nature of the foundational information but it is the change that has been suggested by the select committee which is around the public disclosure of that information and what that actually means. Now what was originally in the bill was around the provision of the information: OK that can be very transactional. This is actually taking it to a different level where it's saying actually there would be a requirement on the territorial authorities to disclose that information but they would have to do it in a public way. So is that just that being on a council's website for example would be sufficient? Or is it actually that there needs to be something further in that space? I have some other questions that relate to my specific area of Palmerston North City Council and the rates rises that have already been announced that flow from that but I'll come back to that once the Minister's had a chance."