Watts Simon; Little AndrewSIMON WATTS (National—North Shore): I refer to Part 1 and to clause 10 which inserts new section 35DDE Minister by my next question. So it relates in regards to the collection of information around the individual when they are going to participate or get some of their drugs tested. And what I'd like the Minister to articulate is in terms of subsections (2)(a) and (2)(b)—paragraph (a) refers to the fact that someone is not required to disclose personal or demographic information: age sex gender or cultural background but then following that there's a paragraph to say that actually if a service provider does wish to collect that then they can do so. So what I'm looking for from the Minister there is—and I know in the select committee process there was quite a lot of conversation around the collection of personal information and the pros and cons around that. I think St John's in particular were one of the providers that noted the ability to collect some information may or may not provide some level of benefit for them.And I appreciate that the Minister's just seeking a little bit of advice and guidance so I will just continue to elaborate on this point for a little bit longer just so that we've got a bit of time. But I think this is important because one of the aspects that was brought up in a lot of the submissions from young people in terms of this bill was the concerns around whether the provision of information would form a barrier or not in terms of them seeking advice. And I just want to get a little bit of comfort from the Minister on whether he feels like we've landed in the right place in regards to that or a little bit more context if I may Minister.Hon ANDREW LITTLE (Minister of Health): I'm going to ask the member to heckle loudly. He referred to a clause (2)(a). I'm just trying to understand which—is he talking about clause 10 and this is actually new section 35DDE subsection (2) paragraph(a)?Simon Watts: Yes.Hon ANDREW LITTLE: That is that part OK. Then in that respect that is the regime that requires accurate and appropriate harm reduction information to be given as the member will see and then lays out in that subsection (2) in those various bits and pieces there how the approach is to be taken. So if the test indicates the likely identity then the advice should be about that specific drug that the person has surrendered for testing. Now if the test doesn't indicate the likely identity of the drug or substance but the provider considers that they are able to form a view on its likely identity then the drug checking service can provide information on that drug or substance that they think that it is and the harms associated with that particular drug or substance. And in any other case where the test doesn't indicate the likely identity of the drug or substance nevertheless the harms associated with taking a drug or substance of an unknown identity. So it covers all those off. This is about the person who takes their drugs in for checking getting some information either about the specific substance that they know that is tested positive or general information about the risks associated with drug taking generally.And I might add because I've now identified what it is that the member Penny Simmonds was asking about in Schedule 2 of the bill and I refer her to clause 4 of Schedule 2 and subclause (2) The Director-General of Health must not issue a licence without the Minister's approval if any relevant person or an entity of which any relevant person was a responsible person at the time of the conviction or revocation—(a) has been convicted of an offence against this Act"—that's the Misuse of Drugs Act—"or its regulations; or (b) has had a licence under this Act"—including no doubt a licence to do this—"revoked for failing to comply with [the conditions]". So if the member is asking whether there are circumstances in which a Minister might give approval for that I cannot imagine. This is about having the right people and appropriate people carrying out the service. It carries a level of responsibility and maturity and those are the people who we would want permitted to carry out tasks under the bill."