Utikere Tangi; O'Connor Greg; Costello CaseyTANGI UTIKERE (Labour—Palmerston North): Thank you Mr Chair. I haven't had an opportunity to take a call on what is a discrete—Hon Member: You don't need one.TANGI UTIKERE: Well members opposite might suggest that we don't need one over here—that was the interjection that was made by the member opposite. I know that they haven't been here that long but this is how it works particularly when it comes to urgency. And how it also works is usually as Chairs have consistently indicated this evening Ministers in the chair tend to take calls to address the issues that have been raised by members. We have only had one contribution from the Minister at the start. There have been plenty of other opportunities. Mr Chair I want to acknowledge you and the direction and guidance that you have given to this committee in that repetition is one aspect but also the role in which the Minister is taking in terms of responding to the issues—Hon Kieran McAnulty: What role?TANGI UTIKERE: Exactly. What role? Because currently there is none. Until the Minister seeks a call it is likely that members opposite will continue to raise the issues because they have not been answered they have not been addressed. If that is the courtesy with which the Minister wishes to treat this process then that is one of disdain. So the issue that I wish to raise for the Minister—and I do hope that the Minister does take a call on this because many of us here are actually none the wiser as to what her position is right now on many issues. We have had a number of members of this House who have raised views or points of view around what some potential amendments to the title might be. What we have heard from the Minister to date is there is perhaps no need. Well we don't know because she hasn't clarified that.But her suggestion is that the title of the bill is simply as it is because it's amending the Smokefree Environments and Regulated Products Act. So what we have on the Table at the moment Minister are a number of suggestions that are in brackets which is not an uncommon approach actually when it comes to the names of bills. Because for the benefit of those at home tuning in at 10.30 long night all by themselves—they've gone silent over there because maybe they're listening. They're actually learning something over there for once. But the point of putting definitions or descriptors adjectives into brackets is so that some people could take a very cursory look and understand what the actual intent of this amendment or this change is. So we have yet to hear from the Minister what her views are. It's very simple. I mean she can rule them out; she can rule them in. At the moment she is choosing not to take a particular position on any of the amendments that members of this House have put—Tim Costley: Well let's vote on them then.TANGI UTIKERE: Well there we have it. So we hear from members over there Let's just vote on it." Well the fact that members opposite have put this House into urgency—and I'm sure that members opposite would quite like to actually just go straight to the vote. Well let's give a lesson on 101 and that is this is the House of Representatives where we are here to represent the numerous number of people that are not having an opportunity on this very bill because it is not subject to the scrutiny of a select committee process. Members over there might wish to be arrogant and ignorant of the process but over here we are standing up for the rights of individuals for the rights of communities for whom this piece of legislation will have a significant impact.Now while members opposite and the Minister may want to just sit there and not take this seriously that is an absolute abomination—a disgrace. It is unfortunate it is unsatisfactory—all of these sorts of adjectives. We could put them in a bracket. We'd like to hear what the Minister would like to say about that. But I tell you what she probably won't take a call because she has failed to do so since many of these issues have been raised.So Minister if you are serious about this piece of legislation then you owe it to this committee to address the issues that we have raised as members of this Parliament on behalf of the very communities that have not actually had an opportunity to have their voices heard. Many members of this House have talked already today about the fact that the committee is in urgency. If there is ever a time when Ministers or members of the Government need to place on record what their perspective is on these matters it's now—it is now.Now I implore the Minister to take just one call to respond to the issues that we have raised opposite because failure to do so is simply indicating "Well we don't care about what other people think about things. We just believe that we should just go from A to B without any consideration for the impact that this will have on communities." So Minister I invite you to take a call to address the numerous questions that have been put to you which is the whole purpose of this committee of the whole House stage. I implore you to do exactly that.CHAIRPERSON (Greg O'Connor): Given the fact that that member is the chief whip I'll treat that as a very long point of order. Thank you.Hon CASEY COSTELLO (Associate Minister of Health): I just wish to address the discussion around title and commencement. I can assure you I did not state that we could not change the title. I was merely clarifying that we had not made any change to the title in this bill and this title had not been changed when the regulations and legislation was changed to insert denicotinisation and the reduced retailers and the abolition of those who could purchase cigarettes who were born from January 2009. So we haven't amended it it wasn't amended previously and that's why we haven't looked at making an amendment at this point.I acknowledge the comments regarding the commencement date. I would emphasise the fact that this coalition agreement was not only between National and New Zealand First but it was also between National and ACT and that was consistent across both parties around this amendment."