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Arms (Military Style Semi-automatic Firearms and Import Controls) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Arms (Military Style Semi-automatic Firearms and Import Controls) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 05 December 2012. Volume:686;Page:7233. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Arms (Military Style Semi-automatic Firearms and Import Controls) Amendment Bill 
In Committee 
Part 1 Amendments to principal Act 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 164 in the name of the Hon Anne Tolley to Part 1 be agreed to. 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 110 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 12; Maori Party 3; Mana 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 8 
New Zealand First 7; ACT New Zealand 1. 
Amendments agreed to. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: The amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 36 in the name of Richard Prosser to clause 4 is out of order as it is inconsistent with an earlier decision of the Committee. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 36 in the name of Richard Prosser to clause 11 be agreed to. 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 7 
New Zealand First 7. 
Noes 111 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 12; Maori Party 3; Mana 1; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Amendments not agreed to. 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 1 as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 111 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 12; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; Mana 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 7 
New Zealand First 7. 
Part 1 as amended agreed to. 
Part 2 Consequential amendments 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 36 in the name of Richard Prosser to clause 14A be agreed to. 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 7 
New Zealand First 7. 
Noes 111 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 12; Maori Party 3; Mana 1; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
Part 2 agreed to. 
Clauses 1 to 3  
Clause 1 agreed to. 
Clause 2 agreed to. 
Clause 3 agreed to. 
Bill to be reported with amendment presently.
Vote: Arms (Military Style Semi-automatic Firearms and Import Controls) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Arms (Military Style Semi-automatic Firearms and Import Controls) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 1 as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 111 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 12; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; Mana 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 7 
New Zealand First 7. 
Part 1 as amended agreed to.
Borrows Chester: Third Readings — 
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Borrows Chester: Third Readings — 
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Hon CHESTER BORROWS (Associate Minister of Justice) 
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 I move  
That the Anti-Money Laundering and Countering Financing of Terrorism Amendment Bill the Children Young Persons and Their Families Amendment Bill the Dog Control Amendment Bill the Dumping and Countervailing Duties Amendment Bill the Electricity Industry Amendment Bill the Gas Amendment Bill the Heavy Engineering Research Levy Amendment Bill the Lawyers and Conveyancers Amendment Bill (No 2) the Local Government Act 1974 Amendment Bill the Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill (No 2) the Local Government (Auckland Council) Amendment Bill the Local Government (Auckland Transitional Provisions) Amendment Bill the New Zealand Geographical Board (NgaPouTaunaha o Aotearoa) Amendment Bill (No 2) the NgatiPorou Claims Settlement Amendment Bill the Real Estate Agents Amendment Bill the Residential Tenancies Amendment Bill the Social Security Amendment Bill (No 2) the Te Roroa Claims Settlement Amendment Bill and the Veterinarians Amendment Bill be now read a third time 
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Bills read a third time.
O'Rourke Denis: Statutes Amendment Bill (No 3) — Second Reading In Committee 
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O'Rourke Denis: Statutes Amendment Bill (No 3) — Second Reading In Committee 
[Sitting date: 05 December 2012. Volume:686;Page:7231. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
DENIS O’ROURKE (NZ First) 
: 
 First of all with reference to the comments of Chester Borrows concerning getting the “f” out of Wanganui or not as the case may be there is certainly a need for flexibility with regard to the adoption of place names and their spelling. I remember that a long time ago—well actually not all that long ago—when I was a student we had a lecturer from the UK who during a number of lectures was required to refer to the names of a number of towns in New Zealand with Maori names. When he got to Wanganui he pronounced it as “Wanger-newie” which resulted in howls of laughter and derision from the students present. But he persisted with his very individual pronunciations of New Zealand place names and in the end we all just accepted that and got on with it. 
That shows that we do need flexibility in this country as to how we name places officially and how they are pronounced. In fact there is often more than one name or more than one version of a name for a place in this country and I am aware that on the West Coast there are places with indeed several names commonly used. I believe that that arises from the fact that some places were actually named after local pubs of which there were often more than one in the location. Of course they were also often the founding establishment of the place the name applied to so that shows again that we do need flexibility. As far as I am concerned I do not mind whether there are several official names for one place or several official versions of them. 
New Zealand First supports the Statutes Amendment Bill (No 3) and I do not wish to debate any of the matters of substance in it or indeed to go through the bill part by part. Most of these provisions are pretty common-sense stuff. I note for example that in the amendment to the Electoral Act 1993 clause 58 amends section 127A to allow a party secretary submitting a list of candidates for election to list seats to pay the required deposit by direct credit and clause 59 makes a similar amendment to section 146F to allow a party secretary lodging a bulk nomination schedule of constituency candidates to pay the required deposit by direct credit. This is pretty common-sense stuff; the sort of thing that you would have expected would already be possible. Indeed I am aware that the Justice and Electoral Committee is looking at a number of minor issues just like that at the present time. 
So that is the sort of thing that we are looking at here and they are mostly of a technical nature or of a minor nature and are appropriate for an omnibus bill of this kind. So for all those reasons New Zealand First will vote for the bill and also for the two Supplementary Order Papers that have been proposed by Mr Borrows.
Mallard Trevor: Biosecurity Law Reform Bill — In Committee 
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Mallard Trevor: Biosecurity Law Reform Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 18 July 2012. Volume:681;Page:3700. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I seek leave for the Committee to report progress.  
Hon David Carter 
: No you can’t. 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: Why? 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: It has to be done on the call.
Vote: Exclusive Economic Zone and Continental Shelf (Environmental Effects) Bill — Second Reading 
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Vote: Exclusive Economic Zone and Continental Shelf (Environmental Effects) Bill — Second Reading 
[Sitting date: 18 July 2012. Volume:681;Page:3692. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Exclusive Economic Zone and Continental Shelf (Environmental Effects) Bill be now read a second time. 
Ayes 64 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Mana 1. 
Bill read a second time.
Roy Eric: Sittings of the House 
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Roy Eric: Sittings of the House 
[Sitting date: 18 July 2012. Volume:681;Page:3701. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought for that purpose. Is there anyone opposed to that course of action? It appears not. 
Sitting suspended from 9.54 p.m. to 9 a.m. (Thursday)
Vote: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 18 July 2012. Volume:681;Page:3667. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 4 be agreed to.  
Ayes 64 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Mana 1. 
Part 4 agreed to.
Roy Eric: Exclusive Economic Zone and Continental Shelf (Environmental Effects) Bill — Second Reading 
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Roy Eric: Exclusive Economic Zone and Continental Shelf (Environmental Effects) Bill — Second Reading 
[Sitting date: 18 July 2012. Volume:681;Page:3690. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought for that purpose. Is there anyone opposed to that course of action? It appears not. Leave is granted. 






Document by leave laid on the Table of the House.
Roy Eric: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Roy Eric: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 18 July 2012. Volume:681;Page:3679. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: I move  
That the report be adopted 
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Vote: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 18 July 2012. Volume:681;Page:3679. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote  was called for on the question  
That clause 3 be agreed to. 
Ayes 64 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Mana 1. 
Clause 3 agreed to. 
House resumed. 
Bill reported with amendment.
Vote: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 18 July 2012. Volume:681;Page:3679. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That clause 2 as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 64 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Mana 1. 
Clause 2 as amended agreed to.
Robertson H V Ross: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Robertson H V Ross: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 18 July 2012. Volume:681;Page:3657. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Thank you for your reference to Standing Order 322. Can I inform the Committee and the member that it is not for the Chairman to make that deliberation as to what the actual number or amount should be. It is a matter for the Government. In this case the Government has made that decision.
Vote: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 18 July 2012. Volume:681;Page:3667. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That schedule 2 as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 64 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Mana 1. 
Schedule 2 as amended agreed to.
Vote: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 18 July 2012. Volume:681;Page:3667. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That schedule 1 be agreed to.  
Ayes 64 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Mana 1. 
Schedule 1 agreed to.
Vote: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 18 July 2012. Volume:681;Page:3679. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 64 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Mana 1. 
Amendment agreed to.
Bennett Paula: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Bennett Paula: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 18 July 2012. Volume:681;Page:3666. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon PAULA BENNETT (Minister for Social Development) 
: 
 This part Part 4 has got consequential provisions that take effect when this part of the bill the Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill comes in on 15 October. It is for those who are predominantly having those changes with the DPB the women alone benefit and the widows benefit. It is a relatively small part of the bill—we have seen the two major substantial parts—however of course it is important otherwise we would not be doing it. 
These provisions replace the references to employment plan expectations and sanctions which is what we have had. We are moving more to work preparation expectations and a difference in sanctions so it is as much about language as it is anything else. It means the regulation-making power in the Act allows for the development of regulations setting out exemptions. At the moment we want them to be able to go through the regulations instead of through the legislation all the time. That makes sense and it makes it easier for people and means that we can have those kinds of exemptions when they are needed for people in exceptional circumstances.  
If there is anything that we recognise it is that actually whenever you are making changes it is not about necessarily a big group of people; it is about a number of individuals who have different circumstances and wherever possible we need to take them into consideration. It is quite straightforward and ensures that on the date the bill comes into force all employment plans reviews of employment plans requirements set out in employment plans notices issues related to the employment plans and any sanctions related to the employment plans cease to have any effect so that the new ones come in on that date. That is this part.
Vote: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 18 July 2012. Volume:681;Page:3666. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 3 as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 64 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Mana 1. 
Part 3 as amended agreed to.
Vote: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 18 July 2012. Volume:681;Page:3665. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to.  
Ayes 57 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Mana 1. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Jacinda Ardern to clause 34 be agreed to: 
delete this clause.
Tisch Lindsay: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Tisch Lindsay: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 18 July 2012. Volume:681;Page:3665. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: We now move to Holly Walker’s typescript amendments to insert new clauses 37A and 35A as also set out on Supplementary Order Paper 77. These have been ruled out of order as the Government has exercised its financial veto. We now move to Jan Logie’s amendment as set out on Supplementary Order Paper 78. This amendment is ruled out of order as the Government has exercised its financial veto.  
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Sue Moroney to clause 35 be agreed to: 
after new section 60Q(3) insert: 
(4)Where obligations under this section are placed on beneficiaries and their spouses and partners the chief executive must make quality child care per subsection (5) and early childhood education per subsection (6) available to the beneficiary and/or their spouses and partners.  
(5)Quality child care is defined as one that provides healthy environment that meet standards prescribed by regulation the availability of registered professionals and the appropriate ratio of caregivers to children prescribed. 
(6)Where the child is 3 or over the parent (beneficiary and their spouses and/or partners) must have access to registered early childhood education requiring services to be widely available in their area of residence prior to the obligations in section 60(Q) are applied to the beneficiary and their spouses and partners.
Vote: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 18 July 2012. Volume:681;Page:3665. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 64 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Mana 1. 
Motion agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 75 in the name of the Hon Paula Bennett to clause 36 be agreed to. 
Amendment agreed to.
McClay Todd: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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McClay Todd: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 18 July 2012. Volume:681;Page:3662. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
TODD McCLAY (National—Rotorua) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
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Lees-Galloway Iain: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Lees-Galloway Iain: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 18 July 2012. Volume:681;Page:3657. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
IAIN LEES-GALLOWAY (Labour—Palmerston North) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. My point of order refers to the Government’s application of the financial veto to the two amendments in the Green members’ names. It is a new point so it in no way challenges your ruling. I just wonder whether you would be able to give us a definition of “more than a minor impact”.  
Particularly looking at Jan Logie’s proposed amendments the Government states that this will impact the total operating expenses by between $5.9 million and $15 million per annum. Those are figures that can be underspent overspent or shifted in Budget documents without so much as any explanation as to why. I would think that by that definition it would be minor changes to the Government’s fiscal aggregates. I wonder Mr Chair—and you may want to take some time about this—whether you could give the Committee some indication as to what the definition of “more than a minor impact” in reference to Standing Order 322 would be.
Sabin Mike: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Sabin Mike: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 18 July 2012. Volume:681;Page:3664. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
MIKE SABIN (National—Northland) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
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Woodhouse Michael: Sittings of the House 
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Woodhouse Michael: Sittings of the House 
[Sitting date: 18 July 2012. Volume:681;Page:3701. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
MICHAEL WOODHOUSE (Senior Whip—National) 
: 
 I seek leave for the House to be suspended a few minutes early in order that the next Government order of the day may commence tomorrow morning at 9 a.m.
Robertson H V Ross: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Robertson H V Ross: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 18 July 2012. Volume:681;Page:3647. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: The Minister has indicated that that is fair enough.
Robertson Grant: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Robertson Grant: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 18 July 2012. Volume:681;Page:3647. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
GRANT ROBERTSON (Deputy Leader—Labour) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I want to thank you and the Minister in the chair the Minister for Social Development for undertaking to correct the certification. Can we then take it that for the time being while this debate is under way the Supplementary Order Papers from Holly Walker and Jan Logie remain on the Table? Can I take it from you that they are now live subject to the Minister returning to the Committee?
Robertson H V Ross: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Robertson H V Ross: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Can I thank the honourable member. What we will do is we will check with  
Parliamentary Practice in New Zealand  
and we will certainly come back and inform the member the situation as it currently is.
King Annette: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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King Annette: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 18 July 2012. Volume:681;Page:3647. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon ANNETTE KING (Labour—Rongotai) 
: 
 I was just going to point that out. I think an old edition of the Standing Orders from 2008 was used instead of the most recent one. But I would still ask for advice to come back to this Committee via the Chair or an official of the Committee as to whether there is enough particularity given by just saying: “It’s going to be this amount of money—we veto it.” I do not think that meets the test of “some particularity”; it is just a figure. There is nothing given to us as to how they added it up and what they included in it and I would like us to have a considered ruling on that at some stage.
Robertson H V Ross: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Robertson H V Ross: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Just before I call the member I have been advised that instead of Standing Order 317 it should be Standing Order 322. That is a fact. So the member has made a very valid point.
Robertson H V Ross: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Robertson H V Ross: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 18 July 2012. Volume:681;Page:3655. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Just before I call the next member I need to make a ruling because a point of order was raised regarding the true validity of the certificates of financial veto that were tabled by the Government. Two points have been raised. Firstly the certificates cite the wrong Standing Order in the text. Although this typographical error does not invalidate the certificates I understand that the Minister has lodged replacement certificates correcting this error.  
The second point is that the certificates have not satisfied the requirement to state with some particularity the nature of the impact on the fiscal aggregates and the reason why the Government does not concur with the amendment. I note that  
Parliamentary Practice in New Zealand 
 by David McGee states at page 450: “Provided that the certificate complies with formal requirements by stating with some particularity the nature of the fiscal impact the Speaker or chairperson will not permit the Government’s judgment to be contradicted on a point of order.” In this case the formal requirement has been satisfied. The impact on the fiscal aggregates is clearly stated. The reason for not concurring with the amendment is one and the same—that it increases the Crown’s total operating expenses. My ruling is that the formal requirement of particularity has been satisfied. The Government has calculated a figure.
Robertson Grant: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Robertson Grant: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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GRANT ROBERTSON (Deputy Leader—Labour) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. It may well be a typographical error but I think that means that the certificate is out of order. It does not achieve the purpose that the Government wants. A certification clearly would have to state the Standing Order under which it is being put in and I believe that that typographical or otherwise means that these certificates are not in order and therefore do not apply.
Walker Holly: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Walker Holly: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 18 July 2012. Volume:681;Page:3642. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
HOLLY WALKER (Green) 
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 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I wonder whether you can give me some guidance as a new member seeking some advice about how to proceed. I am fairly certain that the amendment that has been put up in my name to Part 3 of the bill bears no financial cost so I am uncertain as to the rationale of the financial veto being exercised in respect of it.
Robertson H V Ross: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Robertson H V Ross: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I can only relate again the advice that I have been given and that is about the financial impact to the Crown of $128 million over the forecast period. I have been advised that also in this particular lodgment from the Government where it refers to Standing Order 317 it is in fact a typographical error. That is what I have been advised.
Robertson Grant: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Robertson Grant: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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GRANT ROBERTSON (Deputy Leader—Labour) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I want to raise two matters. One is to endorse what my colleague Annette King has said about the question of what due particularity is but I also wonder whether these certificates are in order at all because they begin by citing Standing Order 317. Standing Order 317 as I read it in what I think are the latest Standing Orders is in fact a Standing Order that relates to disallowance motions from the Regulations Review Committee. The headline mentions Standing Order 322 but I do not actually believe Standing Order 317 is at all relevant to this particular matter and I would suggest to you Mr Chair that these certificates are in fact completely out of order because they are not given to the Committee under the correct Standing Order.
Robertson H V Ross: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Robertson H V Ross: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I am advised looking at the certification upon Standing Order 322 relating to amendments proposed to be moved in a Committee of the whole House that under the standard format supplied there is a paragraph here which I would point out to the member. It is under “Impact on fiscal aggregate(s) concerned and reason for the government not concurring:”. It reads: “The proposed amendments would impact on the Crown’s fiscal aggregates by increasing the Crown’s total operating expenses and level of total Crown debt by approximately $128 million over the forecast period.” That is why the Government has implemented its veto because of the increase in costs to the Crown.
King Annette: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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King Annette: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Hon ANNETTE KING (Labour—Rongotai) 
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 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I would ask you to look at Standing Order 317 that relates to the financial veto certificate that has been tabled relating to two Supplementary Order Papers from Jan Logie and Holly Walker. I would like you to look at what the Standing Order says and then look at the certificates that have been provided by the Minister of Finance. We have just had an explanation from the Minister in the chair the Minister for Social Development as to why a veto has been applied and that is all very well. But when you read the Standing Order it says the certificate by the Government “must state with some particularity the nature of the impact on the fiscal aggregate or aggregates concerned and the reason why the Government does not concur in the bill amendment or motion.” If you read the certificates they do not give any explanation at all. While it is very nice for the Minister to tell the members of this Committee why there is a veto I do not believe these certificates are adequate in informing the Committee in line with Standing Order 317. Just to say that it is going to have an impact on the operating expense and give a number but no explanation in my view does not meet the test that is meant to be applied in Standing Order 317. I would ask you to look at it. I believe these ought to be withdrawn and rewritten to meet the Standing Order because as they are there is no explanation or particularity in their reasons given to this Committee.
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Hon PAULA BENNETT (Minister for Social Development) 
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 When we left last night I was discussing Part 3 of the Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill the implications of that and the changes that were coming up. We were particularly talking about childcare and the different types of childcare that are available particularly for those mums and dads of course who have to go back into work and the changes that are happening. I had run through the changes. Currently when your youngest child is 6 you are expected to look for part-time work. The difference is that that is going to 5 years. There will now be a full-time work test when your youngest is 14-years-old.  
It is quite interesting to see the number of both sole mums and partnered mothers who are currently working. For those whose youngest child is 14-plus years actually 68 percent of sole mothers are working and 83 percent of those who are partnered are working. So we constantly hear this call that they cannot go out to work. We are asking them simply to be work-available and looking so if suitable employment is not there they will not be punished. There is not a sanction for those who are out there actively looking. But certainly from all the evidence that we have seen we think it is quite fair and reasonable for there to be that work expectation. But beyond fair and reasonable actually is the point that all evidence points out that those who are in work have better outcomes for them and their children. This of course is vitally important to us as we move forward—
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The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: It is actually on the Table Mr Lees-Galloway. You are entitled to have a look.
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IAIN LEES-GALLOWAY (Labour—Palmerston North) 
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 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. Is that explanation available to members of the Committee to consider? Is it on the Table?
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The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I think what we have to do first of all is to find out where the financial implications are because the Government has indicated that it wants to apply its veto. So we need to check that now and we could perhaps go on with the debate until such time—[ 
Interruption 
] Have we got something here? OK I am told that there is a certificate on the Table that outlines the financial impact. It says here what the reasons are for the Government not concurring: “The proposed amendments would impact on the Crown’s fiscal aggregates by increasing the Crown’s total operating expenses and level of total Crown debt by approximately $128 million over the forecast period. In the government’s view these effects have more than a minor impact on the Crown’s fiscal aggregates and for this reason the government does not concur in the amendments specified above.” So it will apply its financial veto.
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to.  
Ayes 57 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Mana 1. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to.
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HOLLY WALKER (Green) 
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 I raise a point of order Chairperson. If there are no financial implications what course of action is available to me at this point?
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The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I am not aware of that but we can certainly have it checked. If there are any financial implications in the Supplementary Order Paper that you have put up then the Government does have the right to put in place a financial veto and it has done so.
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That clause 1 be agreed to. 
Ayes 64 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Mana 1. 
Clause 1 agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 83 in the name of the Hon Paula Bennett to clause 2 be agreed to.
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JACINDA ARDERN (Labour) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I just want to request further information from the Chair. Were those amendments relating to Part 3 of the bill or were they from Part 1?
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The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: The House is in Committee. Kia ora tatou no reira e te Whare e nga iwi e nga reo e nga hau e wha. Tena koutou tena koutou tena koutou katoa. Good afternoon honourable members. We are in Committee on the Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill. Therefore the Committee is resumed. Members when we were last considering this bill we were debating Part 3. I want to take the opportunity to inform members that the Government has exercised its power of financial veto in respect of amendments in the name of Holly Walker and Jan Logie set out on Supplementary Order Papers 77 and 78 respectively. Those amendments are therefore out of order.
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MICHAEL WOODHOUSE (Senior Whip—National) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the report be adopted. 
Ayes 64 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Mana 1. 
Report adopted.
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The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: They are from Part 3. Of course it is a financial veto which the Government is entitled to do.
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to.  
Ayes 57 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Mana 1. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Jacinda Ardern to clause 37 be agreed to: 
after subclause (2) insert: 
(3) In section 105(1) after “from complying with section 60HA” insert “or where the beneficiary has a dependent child who has a disability has been deemed to have significant behavioural issues and/or has been excluded from school”.
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Hon PAULA BENNETT (Minister for Social Development) 
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 If it would so please the Committee I would be happy to go away and take advice and make sure that we have the correct Standing Order there and make sure it is at the attention of the Committee. We have got plenty of time to do that. The Committee will go about its business and we could remedy that. 
Hon Annette King 
: Speaking to the point of order—
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 64 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Mana 1. 
Amendment agreed to.
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11. 
IAN McKELVIE (National—Rangitikei) 
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Minister of Police 
: What recent successes have the Police had in targeting illegal drugs? 
Hon ANNE TOLLEY (Minister of Police) 
: 
 More good news. I am pleased to advise the House that a 6-month campaign by the police targeting cannabis growers and dealers throughout New Zealand has been a resounding success. As a result of the operation the police seized and destroyed over 130000 cannabis plants with a potential value of $130 million; seized over 280 kilograms of dried cannabis with an estimated value of $5.6 million; made 2500 arrests; confiscated 327 firearms; and seized large quantities of methamphetamine LSD tabs Ecstasy pills and large amounts of cash. I would like to congratulate all the policemen and policewomen involved in this operation and thank them for the work they are doing to keep our communities safe. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Question No. 12 Darien Fenton. 
Rt Hon Winston Peters 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. My point of order is that I think you might have overlooked Mr McKelvie seeking to get a supplementary question on the last question. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Order! No members must rise to their feet if they wish to ask a supplementary question. I waited a moment and I did not see the member rising to his feet and— 
Rt Hon Winston Peters 
: We did see him start to rise and he will not get his rubber stamp if— 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Order! Order! The member will resume his seat or the member will not get his rubber stamp either.
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The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Can I thank the honourable member for her dissertation on the situation regarding the Government’s financial veto. I am advised that it is covered under Standing Order 322(1) and (2) and in fact what we have here that has been lodged by the Minister is the standard form for any proposals to implement a financial veto. This is the standard form.
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The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: I call Dr Rajen Prasad—[ 
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