5. Māori Development—Māori Housing Network and Homeownership and Homelessness RatesKELVIN DAVIS (Deputy Leader—Labour) to the Minister for Māori DevelopmentMāori Development—Māori Housing Network and Homeownership and Homelessness Rates5. KELVIN DAVIS (Deputy Leader—Labour) to the Minister for Māori Development: Does he believe his Māori Housing Network has received enough funding to succeed?Hon TE URUROA FLAVELL (Minister for Māori Development): Me whai wāhi au ki te mema kua eke ki te tuarua o tana Rōpū ka nui te mihi ki a koe! Hei whakautu i tana pātai o roto i te pūtea kei Te Kāinga Ora āe kai te eke ki ngā taumata ēhara i te mea kai āu te mana kai Te Kāinga Ora te mana whakamutunga ki te whakatutuki i ngā moemoeā katoa o Te Ao Māori inākē te nui o ngā hiahia o Te Ao Māori. Āe he pūtea anō rā he āwhina tērā. Kua kaha nei au ki te toro i taku ringa ki te whakapakari ake ki te whakarahi ake ki te whakamomona ake i te pūtea i tēnei wā e rua tekau miriona taara ia tau ka whakatahangia ki te tautoko i ngā whānau otirā ngā hapori. Te āhua nei kei te pai engari ē kāre he hē o te tono mō ētahi anō.[I must take an opportunity to extend a huge congratulations to you the member on becoming the deputy leader of his party. In terms of responding to his question about the funding within Healthy Homes yes the levels are being met because I have the power and Healthy Homes have the final say with regard to meeting all of Māoridom's aspirations. Yes there is further funding as well to assist that. I am now able to extend my hand to strengthen and fatten up the funding at this point in time by $20 million each year that can be put aside to support families; in other words communities. It seems to be going well but there is no harm in applying for more as well.]Kelvin Davis: How can he say that this National Government is delivering for Māori when the Māori Housing Network has delivered only 11 houses to a code of compliance level? Hon TE URUROA FLAVELL: Kāre au e whakaae ki tāna i kōrero mai ai i te tīmatanga mai. Kai te kī Te Mema e tekau mā tahi pea ngā whare kua oti ā kai te āhua tika tērā engari me mōhio anō hoki ia i mua o te paunga o te Hune o tēnei tau tonu nei ka eke ki te ono tekau mā toru ngā papa kāinga ka oti i a Kāinga Ora i tēnei tau. Nō reira koinei he painga anō rā o Te Kāinga Ora.[I do not agree with what he asserted at the beginning. The member is saying there are 11 houses perhaps that have been completed and that is somewhat true. But he should know as well that before the end of June of this year actually 63 original homes on communal Māori land were completed by Healthy Homes this year. So therefore this is a benefit as well to Healthy Homes.]Kelvin Davis: So when there are 14000 homeless Māori how can he possibly say that that is sufficient? Hon TE URUROA FLAVELL: Ē kāre au i kōrero pēra i kī atu anei te koha o Te Housing Network ki te pikitia whānui tonu o tēnei kāwanatanga! He wāhi ki au ā-Minita mō ngā take whakawhanake Māori arā anō ētahi Minita i tōna mutunga me whakarongo ki te kōrero a Te Pirimia koia tērā i whakarārangihia i te āhuatanga o ngā mahi e mahia nei e te kāwanatanga hei āwhina i te hunga e noho nei e rongo nei i te ngau o te pōhara. [I did not say it like that. I said: here is the Housing Network gift according the wider picture of this Government. Ministerial wise I have a part to play in terms of Māori development but at the end of it all I must listen to what the Prime Minister is advocating. After all that is what has been handed down with regard to the circumstances of the actions being carried out by this Government to help those living and experiencing the bite of impoverishment.]Kelvin Davis: Does he truly believe that this National-led Government which he is a part of has delivered and will deliver what is needed to end Māori homelessness and turn around the falling Māori homeownership rate which is now at 28 percent? Hon TE URUROA FLAVELL: Ēhara i te mea ko tērā āhuatanga ō nāia tonu nei i te wā i ngā rā ō mua i te wā ia Reipa e noho nā hei kāwanatanga kātahi ka rua mēnā ka kaha tautoko tana Rōpū i ngā kaupapa pēnei i a Ngāti Paoa pēnei i a Three Kings ēnei kaupapa katoa tērā pea he āwhina nui tērā ki te tuku i ngā whare ki roto i ngā ringa o Te Iwi Māori kaha tautoko i a Ngāti Paoa kāre he hē o tērā.[That is not to say that is the situation at this very moment and in times gone by when Labour was the Government. That is one and secondly if his party supported policies like this one that relate to Ngāti Paoa like Three Kings all these policies may be a big help in releasing houses into the hands of Māori tribes in terms of supporting Ngāti Paoa. No harm is done in doing that.]Kelvin Davis: Will he join with me and support Labour's Māori housing plan alongside Mereana Marsters and her family who have been struggling to buy their own home under this Government but described Labour's plan as an awesome idea"? Hon TE URUROA FLAVELL: Aw Mr Speaker kei au kei a mātau kē ō mātau ake whakaaro kei Te Reipa tōna kaupapa kei āu kei Te Kāwanatanga tōna ake kaupapa engari mēnā ka pātai te pātai kai te aha tēnei Minita anei tētahi rārangi kōrero i puta i a Te Matapihi tētahi rōpū e kaha nei ki te āwhina i te hunga e noho nei e kimi i ētahi whare.[Oh shucks Mr Speaker we have our own views on that. Labour has its own policy; the Government has its own. But if the question is asked—what is this Minister doing—here is the line of a statement issued by Te Matapihi an entity who is strong in supporting those who live in homes and those a seeking housing.]"Te Matapihi look forward to supporting Te Puni Kōkiri to implement these programmes. We would like to acknowledge Minister Flavell who has worked hard to consistently secure an increase in pūtea for Māori housing every year over the past three years he has been in office for better Māori housing outcomes." Richard Prosser: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. In the light of discussions on the matter last week and given the lack of translation hardware in the public gallery I wonder whether you could give some consideration to investigating the possibility of subtitles being broadcast on the Chamber monitors for the benefit of the public in the gallery.Mr SPEAKER: No. At this stage for the members of public in the gallery who do not understand Te Reo I suspect they cannot understand the answer. For those watching TV they certainly have the transcript for them to understand it. As I said last week to this House Māori is an official language of this House. It has been used now for nearly a hundred years and if a member continues to use it that is completely acceptable to me. I have listened to the questions I have listened to the answers and it has not impeded me in any way. David Seymour: Can the Minister confirm that the percentage of homes that were owner-occupied and occupied by Māori fell from the high 40s to the low 40s between the years of 1999 and 2008?Hon TE URUROA FLAVELL: Mr Speaker i tēnei ata i kite au i te pūrongo o Statistics New Zealand. E whakaae ana ki tāna e kōrero nā āe i tērā wā i te wā o Te Reipa i pērā rawa te ngoikore o tērā kāwanatanga.[Mr Speaker I saw Statistics New Zealand's report this morning and I agree to what it said then that at that point in time at the time of Labour that Government at that time was really impotent.]"