McClay Todd; Henare PeeniHon TODD McCLAY (National—Rotorua): Madam Chair thank you very much. Just on the point that the Minister was making around the certification time of October or other but I see the member Anna Lorck was shaking her head a moment ago. I'm not sure whether it's because she doesn't understand the legislation or she's seen a poll in her electorate and knows she's in trouble and has only five months left here. But—coming more closely to this point—to the Minister; one of the concerns that was raised with this new regulatory regime being set up by the plumbers and gasfitters was that people will have to be employed and they will have to work all of the things out and it would help with the certification. No question about working out the rules around certification or the regulations and so on but particularly around them once that's in place who gets to certify? We know that up and down the country if you have a motorhome of over 3.5 tonnes and you need to go and have not the warrant of fitness but the certificate of fitness I think it's called—just as for many people getting a warrant of fitness there can be quite long delays and they are waiting for many hours or in some cases half a day to get through the process. Having established this new system to certify a campervan as this legislation is suggesting as having a fixed toilet or as we would prefer we would say a non-fixed toilet Minister—whether or not the plumbers and gaslayers are the best people or the only people that should be then doing the certification or whether the New Zealand Motor Caravan Association could also do it. They already have a regime in place under the existing legislation where they are doing certification. I think that we all accept that that legislation doesn't meet the requirements that the House would have in making sure that freedom camping is controlled well. Our issues over the types of campervans that are used aside and whether or not we can decide that the New Zealand Motor Caravan Association—a majority of people who have motor homes I think are probably their members. We would ask whether they too should play a role and whether we should recognise that they are a certifying body. So Minister it's not to say that they decide what the conditions are to be certified or what are the regulations or rules but actually just as a garage gets to go out and issue a warrant of fitness where the Ministry of Transport has decided what standards a car should meet to get that warrant of fitness in this case the plumbers and gaslayers would be the certifying authority but the New Zealand Motor Caravan Association would also be that. My colleague Joseph Mooney has a Supplementary Order Paper in this area which would merely say that they can also certify under the conditions set by the legislation and set by the plumbers and gaslayers council. Hon PEENI HENARE (Minister of Tourism): It's the opinion of this Government that we have catered for that within the legislation. I expect as the member pointed out that the New Zealand Motor Caravan Association is likely to apply to be a certificating authority on the matter simply because of the points and the facts that the member has raised here.But I want to highlight a particular matter that is important when we look towards setting up a regulatory regime here and that is the independence factor which is why we are still of the firm belief that the Plumbers Gasfitters and Drainlayers Board is still the right regulatory authority that we'll be working with to establish the framework.