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Clark David: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeClark David: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3660. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Dr DAVID CLARK (Labour—Dunedin North): I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I have not had an opportunity in this stage of the debate to make a contribution and there are some specific clauses that I wish to speak to. What remedy is available to me?
Simpson Scott: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeSimpson Scott: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3659. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]SCOTT SIMPSON (National—Coromandel): I move That the question be now put.
Bayly Andrew: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeBayly Andrew: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3658. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]ANDREW BAYLY (National—Hunua): I move That the question be now put.
Bennett Paula: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeBennett Paula: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3656. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Hon PAULA BENNETT (Minister for Social Housing): I just thought it was important to tie up a couple of things as we have heard quite a few speakers. They are repeating themselves and so obviously there are a couple of issues here. So let us be clear on something: housing policy changes—Hon Annette King: Your side doesn’t even speak.Hon PAULA BENNETT: Well here it is. Here are the answers that you wanted. Housing policy changes were actually reported back from the Social Services Committee on 12 May 2011. They have been to select committee and they have just been repackaged into this bill. Ministry of Business Innovation and Employment staff to be quite clear have been undertaking policy advice in lieu of Housing New Zealand since June 2011. Since June 2011—[Interruption] It is coming. This is an opportunity for us to tidy up what is in the bill which says that Housing New Zealand does it. So we have changed it—Hon Annette King: So under urgency we need to tidy this up?Hon PAULA BENNETT: No actually it is mainly the first part but I am not going to talk about Part 1; we are talking about Part 2. To be quite clear: the questions that have been asked have been around that. It made sense to tidy up that Housing New Zealand no longer provides the policy advice which it has not been providing now for 4 years. Actually that whole advice part of it—what needs to be done—is more than just Housing New Zealand. This is about providing advice to the community housing sector and about making sure that we are seeing the needs of the whole community and not just of one player. It may be a big player and a significant one—one that I of course meet with incredibly often and take its advice—but that advice goes through the Ministry of Business Innovation and Employment which means that we are looking at the sector as a whole.The other part of it which I thought I should just quickly clear up is that there were questions earlier about subsections and the existing sections. It is obvious for those who have been around longer which is why I do not think we have had more on it. It is a drafting convention that when subsections are added the existing sections become subsections. So if you have got section 98 when you put in a section 98(2) then section 98 becomes section 98(1). That is why you cannot find section 98(1). It is because as a convention it will become that once we have made the changes. Thank you.
Tisch Lindsay: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeTisch Lindsay: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3654. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch): No there are no restrictions.
Hayes Joanne: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeHayes Joanne: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3654. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]JOANNE HAYES (Third Whip—National): I move That the question be now put.Hon Annette King: She has taken a call I’m sorry.
Hayes Joanne: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeHayes Joanne: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3652. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]JOANNE HAYES (Third Whip—National): I move That the question be now put.
Tisch Lindsay: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeTisch Lindsay: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3651. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch): I call Phil Goff. [Interruption] I am sorry; Phil Twyford. I got the “Phil” part right. Phil Twyford. [Interruption] My apologies.
Borrows Chester: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeBorrows Chester: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3639. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Chester Borrows): The process is outlined in Speakers’ rulings 64/4-6. Speakers’ ruling 64/4 states: “The [chairperson] is the sole judge as to whether or not he ought to sanction the putting of the closure motion”. In respect of the official record of who has spoken when and of how many calls have been taken this is retained by the Clerk and is available for inspection. If the member wishes to she can align them with her own records.
Moroney Sue: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMoroney Sue: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3639. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]SUE MORONEY (Labour): I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I am seeking your guidance on an issue that I think we will come up again during the course of this debate. The point of order is this: I understand that during your decision on the last part you said that Opposition parties had had 21 calls on that part. That differs from the record that we have been taking of the calls. I wonder what the process is for addressing discrepancies in the record-taking.
Borrows Chester: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeBorrows Chester: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3639. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Chester Borrows): I will put my mind to that. The member is still within the Chamber. I must admit I was tempted to quote him from 2 days ago.Ron Markwithdrew from the Chamber.
Hipkins Chris: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeHipkins Chris: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3639. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]CHRIS HIPKINS (Senior Whip—Labour): I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I understand the decision you have just made. I waited until the vote was completed before intervening. I do understand the point you have made and it is out of order for a member to interject when a vote is being taken. That is absolutely correct. I do ask that you consider when determining how long the member will be out of the Chamber the fact that this is a bill going through all stages under urgency and this is in fact the only opportunity to participate in the debate.
Borrows Chester: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeBorrows Chester: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3639. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Chester Borrows): The member Ron Mark will leave the Chamber. He has been here a long time. He knows that votes are called in silence. He was reminded of that and he decided to interject on three occasions casting aspersions on people who voted in a particular way. He will leave the Chamber.
Borrows Chester: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeBorrows Chester: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3638. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Chester Borrows): The vote is being cast. That was not a point of order.
Mark Ron: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMark Ron: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3638. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]RON MARK (NZ First): Mr Chairperson through you I would like to ask that someone please check that Māori Party vote. I cannot believe that that is the vote that they are taking on this piece of legislation.
Borrows Chester: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeBorrows Chester: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3638. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Chester Borrows): We are taking a vote. Please be seated.Ron Mark: I understand that but it is about the vote.The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Chester Borrows): I will accept your point of order.
Borrows Chester: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeBorrows Chester: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3638. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Chester Borrows): In ruling on the point of order I am going to continue to put the question. The fact is that the Opposition and all parties have the ability to marshal who is going to speak. They all have the ability to make calls. Not every member who seeks a call in every debate does get a call; that is the history of it. Some of us go back quite a long way and remember how these things work and have worked in the past. The most frustrating thing about being the Chair in a debate such as this is that you think of your best lines while you are sitting here and you do not get the opportunity to use them. Having said that I believe that on analysis people will find that there has been a significant numbers of calls. Many members have had the opportunity to make their points. The points being made are now becoming repetitive so I am going to put the question. [Interruption] I am not taking any more points of order. [Interruption] Please be seated. I am not taking any more points of order on this matter. The question is that the question be now put.
Hipkins Chris: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeHipkins Chris: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3638. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]CHRIS HIPKINS (Senior Whip—Labour): I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I will not make a long point of order but I will make three brief points. The first is that this bill is going through all stages under urgency and it has not been to a select committee. The second point is that there are members who have been seeking the call since the beginning of the debate who have not been given a call and other members have been given multiple calls. I think that does create an unfairness in this process. The third point is that there has been a long tradition in the House that where the Government does not engage in the debate that is not used as a reason for closing down the debate prematurely.
Borrows Chester: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeBorrows Chester: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3637. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Chester Borrows): The fact is that it is the Chair’s prerogative as to when he will put the question. I have accepted a closure motion and I am going to put that question. [Interruption] Sit down please. Continual points of order around this particular position are becoming quite frustrating. Members will have to accept that there have been a large number of calls on this particular part and we have only—[Interruption] Do not interrupt me while I am on my feet. I am the Chair of this session and you are not. There is another part to be debated. There will be full calls given in those debates. I have outlined the number of calls that parties have had.
Rurawhe Adrian: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeRurawhe Adrian: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3637. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]ADRIAN RURAWHE (Labour—Te Tai Hauāuru): I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. Can I seek your guidance please. I stood to take a call at every single opportunity. The main reason was that there is a mistake in this bill that I wanted to highlight. Thank you.
Mark Ron: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMark Ron: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3637. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]RON MARK (NZ First): I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. This is a new point of order.The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Chester Borrows): I will hear the point of order. I suggest that the member be very careful about how he puts it.RON MARK: Could you advise how many calls New Zealand First has had.The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Chester Borrows): Sorry I did not hear. Could you restate the point of order.RON MARK: I know you stated that the Opposition has had 21 calls. Could you tell me please how many calls New Zealand First has had.The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Chester Borrows): Three.RON MARK: Thank you.
Borrows Chester: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeBorrows Chester: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3637. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Chester Borrows): I am aware of the process and I am prepared to put the motion as it has been—Ron Mark: I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson.The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Chester Borrows): No I am not going to take a further point of order from the member. I have taken several points of order—sit down while I am on my feet please. I have made my ruling and my ruling is that the question will be put.
Paraone Pita: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeParaone Pita: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3637. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]PITA PARAONE (NZ First): I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I accept your ruling and the reference to the number of calls. I seek your reassessment of your decision with regard to the fact that this is an important piece of legislation and it has circumvented the normal select committee process. In view of that I just wonder whether or not you may reconsider.
Borrows Chester: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeBorrows Chester: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3637. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Chester Borrows): Thank you. I am ready to rule on this matter. The question will be put. There have been 21 calls taken by the Opposition. This is the third closure motion and I am going to put the question.
Mark Ron: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMark Ron: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3637. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]RON MARK (NZ First): This debate is quite a serious one for New Zealand First. A number of our members have left their offices and come down here to take the opportunity to take a call on this and they have not been afforded that opportunity.
Moroney Sue: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMoroney Sue: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3637. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]SUE MORONEY (Labour): I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. This is a substantial piece of legislation. There are several members on this side who have not been able to participate in this debate to date and I request that you reconsider your ruling.
Borrows Chester: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeBorrows Chester: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3637. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Chester Borrows): Members the question is that the question be now put.
Hayes Joanne: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeHayes Joanne: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3637. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]JOANNE HAYES (Third Whip—National): I move That the question be now put.
Ross Jami-Lee: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeRoss Jami-Lee: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3634. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]JAMI-LEE ROSS (Junior Whip—National): I move That the question be now put.
Ross Jami-Lee: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeRoss Jami-Lee: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3633. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]JAMI-LEE ROSS (Junior Whip—National): I move That the question be now put.
Mitchell Clayton: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMitchell Clayton: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3621. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]CLAYTON MITCHELL (NZ First): I stand on behalf of New Zealand First to take a short call on this new piece of legislation called the Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill which to me is quite ironic really particularly when we talk about the flexibility that I think this bill is actually trying to address and that is the flexibility of the socially impoverished people of this country being flexibly rammed around corporations in new innovative ways which are the words that I keep hearing from Simon Bridges about flexibility and innovation.That is what we think of this Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill which has been pushed down at such great speed that we do not actually have time to consult with the public to find out what the real serious concerns are. We are not hearing anybody out there screaming from the rooftops saying this is a great idea. New Zealand has had over 100 years—100 years—of standing up for those people in need with social housing. I do not think there is anybody in this room who does not know somebody who has been brought up in a State home. In fact the Prime Minister himself got brought up in a State home. Many of us have had those same privileges—I will call it a privilege—but what is happening here is that this service is being packaged up sold off and given to the friends of the National Party so that they can make some profit out of this situation.National is saying that this is good. For whom? It is good for the corporations and the big companies that are actually putting this deal together but it is not good for the people who seriously genuinely need State homes and support from the Government. This is certainly not something that should be packaged up and given out to people who are designed to make money whichever way they can. This is where the Government has got a legal and moral obligation to stand up for those people and their rights to ensure that they get sufficient housing support.This bill is being pushed through very very quickly. Mr Bridges spoke about warmer drier and more fit for purpose homes. But if the commercial sector is going to be doing this they are going to be creating more expensive homes. If you were truly interested in looking after people to get them into their first homes then you would put something in this legislation to make sure that those homes stayed available and affordable for the people who need them the most.This legislation is not going to be good for New Zealanders. We do not see the benefits at all. Part 1 is all about taking away those rights of New Zealanders to have a comfortable position in their local areas. We definitely do not support it. Thank you.
Tisch Lindsay: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeTisch Lindsay: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3615. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch): Members when the Committee was suspended last night the Committee was debating Part 1. Chris Hipkins had the call and he has 3 minutes 40 seconds remaining should he wish.
Vote: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — First Reading Second Reading In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeVote: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3546. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]A party vote was called for on the question That the Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill be now read a second time.Ayes 63New Zealand National 59; Māori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1.Noes 58New Zealand Labour 32; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 12.Bill read a second time.
Vote: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — First Reading Second Reading In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeVote: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3532. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]A party vote was called for on the question That the Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill be now read a first time.Ayes 63New Zealand National 59; Māori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1.Noes 58New Zealand Labour 32; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 12.Bill read a first time.
Vote: Support for Children in Hardship Bill — First ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeVote: Support for Children in Hardship Bill — First Reading[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3531. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]A party vote was called for on the question That the Support for Children in Hardship Bill be now read a first time.Ayes 109New Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 32; Green Party 14; Māori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1.Noes 12New Zealand First 12.Bill read a first time.Bill referred to the Social Services Committee.
Vote: UrgencyText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeVote: Urgency[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3531. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]A party vote was called for on the question That urgency be accorded.Ayes 63New Zealand National 59; Māori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1.Noes 58New Zealand Labour 32; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 12.Motion agreed to.
Vote: Budget Statement —Text is incorporated into the Bound VolumeVote: Budget Statement —[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3531. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]A party vote was called for on the question That the debate be now adjourned.Ayes 63New Zealand National 59; Māori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1.Noes 58New Zealand Labour 32; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 12.Motion agreed to.
Naylor Jono: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — First Reading Second Reading In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeNaylor Jono: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3546. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]JONO NAYLOR (National): Given that the members opposite are so keen to talk about the details of this bill I will simply commend this bill to the House so that we can move to the Committee stage.
Parmar Parmjeet: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — First Reading Second Reading In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeParmar Parmjeet: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3544. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Dr PARMJEET PARMAR (National): In very simple terms this bill aims to help families in need to get into social housing that meets their needs. How can this be wrong—meeting families’ needs? It cannot be wrong. As we heard this bill is to introduce flexibility for the Ministry for Social Development to contract and negotiate with social housing providers. That is to support a growing role for community providers to deliver social housing. It is also to improve the supply of social houses to meet demand. It also clarifies and confirms a number of processes that already happen in practice. This bill will also help tenants get back into housing independence. We want to make sure that those people who are in real need are provided with social housing. We are making social houses fit for people to live in. They are not just properties to us; they are houses where we want to house people in need—families in need.This National Government has insulated all State-owned social houses. They are warmer drier and healthier under this National Government. This flexibility about ownership is a great thing. Social houses sold will remain as social houses and the tenants will remain housed in them for the duration of their need. This is a win-win situation for tenants for local communities and for taxpayers. It is not the duration of the speech; it is the message that counts and the message is that it is a win-win situation for tenants for local communities and for taxpayers. Thank you. I support the bill.
Tisch Lindsay: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — First Reading Second Reading In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeTisch Lindsay: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3543. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch): The Hon David Cunliffe—5 minutes.
Tisch Lindsay: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — First Reading Second Reading In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeTisch Lindsay: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3542. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch): The next call is a split call. Jan Logie—5 minutes.
Smith Stuart: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — First Reading Second Reading In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeSmith Stuart: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3541. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]STUART SMITH (National—Kaikōura): Well I think at the heart of this debate about this bill is actually a Government that is putting people at the centre of social housing rather than putting a housing provider at the centre of the bill. It is about people. That is what this whole Budget is about. I would like with great pleasure to commend the bill to the House. Thank you.
Muller Todd: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — First Reading Second Reading In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMuller Todd: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3538. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]TODD MULLER (National—Bay of Plenty): I just want to speak for a few minutes on the Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill. The previous speaker Annette King said one thing that I agree with one thing only and that is that Chris Bishop will become a member of the A-team sooner rather than later.I do want to make a comment in respect of Phil Twyford who for every single question time for the last 6 months has been vein-bulging at the Government saying: “Housing crisis! You need to act with urgency. It needs to happen now.” So here we are tonight standing here with a bill that enables our Minister to negotiate with community housing providers who are ready and waiting to be able to enter commercial deals that are innovative and flexible and will deliver outcomes for their community and all we get is dissent pooh pooh pooh and negativity. That is why that party is where it is in the polls.This is a party that actually has a framework to enable us to be able to resolve issues. You can see it in Tauranga. I was there last week. The Tauranga Community Housing Trust was announcing there the opening of its new brand new housing with one and two bedrooms. The tenants were absolutely loving the move from the cold damp old historic State houses. You know life is not all about the State having to provide everything. There are people in the community who have skills who have people whom they care about who can partner with the State and get a better outcome. That is what this bill is about and I cannot wait for it to pass. Thank you.
Doocey Matt: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — First Reading Second Reading In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeDoocey Matt: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3535. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]MATT DOOCEY (National—Waimakariri): It is an honour to rise and speak to the second reading of the Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill. Mr Twyford and some of the Opposition have questioned the urgency for speeding through this legislation. The urgency is to do with the 3000 people who will get extra housing support because of this bill. This will allow support for up to 65000 people in total 3000 more people by 2017-18. What does Mr Twyford say to those 25 percent of people on a waiting list waiting for Housing New Zealand with a 9 percent supply?Really the urgency means that no one should talk longer than the useful information they have to say. That is a lesson your leader learnt today. Something that will last with me through this whole term is this Budget but equally what will stay with me through the whole term is the look on your faces while your leader spoke.What I say to the community sector a creative community sector is that we believe in you. Mr Hague said that we believe in a small State—we do not believe in a small State; we believe in a big community. That is what we are supporting Mr Hague—a big community. That is what we are supporting. What I can say to those New Zealanders whether they be Gene Simmons Axl Rose or Jon Bon Jovi is that we believe in you. If you want to be supported to independence in your housing this bill will support you. We believe in you. I commend the bill to the House. Thank you.
Smith Stuart: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — First Reading Second Reading In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeSmith Stuart: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3532. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]STUART SMITH (National—Kaikōura): It is a great pleasure to speak on this bill and given that its merits are so blindingly obvious there is nothing more that I need to say other than that I commend it to the House. Thank you.
Parmar Parmjeet: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — First Reading Second Reading In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeParmar Parmjeet: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3531. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Dr PARMJEET PARMAR (National): This is another great Government bill sponsored by the Hon Paula Bennett. It reflects again this National Government’s focus on delivering for families and children. This bill is a part of the Government’s Social Housing Reform Programme which aims to address the needs of families in need for social housing and better meet those needs. In this short call I just want to address one point that is especially coming from the Labour Party. Its focus is on properties per se—just properties per se; no focus on families no focus on families’ needs. That is what this bill is about: changing that focus from properties to families and their needs. I support the bill. Thank you.
Borrows Chester: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — First Reading Second Reading In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeBorrows Chester: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3531. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER: I call Jan Logie—a 5-minute call.
Naylor Jono: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — First Reading Second Reading In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeNaylor Jono: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3531. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]JONO NAYLOR (National): Well it seems to me that the members opposite seem to be completely missing the point of this bill. This bill is for us to be able to deliver better services to those who need social housing. The purpose of this bill is to ensure that we have social housing in New Zealand that is fit for purpose. It is to create flexibility in those arrangements to ensure that we are accommodating people and allowing non-governmental organisations to work with needy people in such a way that is going to be best for their clients. It is part of a bigger plan to ensure that social housing in New Zealand is available to people in the size and the type that is most suitable to them. It is about giving flexibility to those groups maybe that will do a better job of housing them rather than simply assuming that because we are the Government we will always know what is best for every single individual which seems to be the kind of arrogance that we are getting from across the other side of the House.It is not about continuing with the status quo and assuming that just because that is the way we have always done it that is the way we should always do it. It is about moving forward. It is about delivering Better Public Services. It is about being better equipped to ensure that vulnerable people in this country are being looked after in the best possible way. This bill is one part of a very big machine that is ensuring we do just that. Thank you.
Muller Todd: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — First Reading Second Reading In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMuller Todd: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3531. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]TODD MULLER (National—Bay of Plenty): I would like to just speak for a few moments on the Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill. I would like to perhaps start by helping the member Annette King who has just spoken. It is clear that her hearing is not quite what it used to be because what Minister Paula Bennett was talking about was flexible reform it was innovative reform it is people at the centre reform and it is reform that this Government is delighted to be able to push through and debate here this evening. It is not—Hon Member: They are angry.TODD MULLER: They are incredibly angry. It is not this side of the House that is caught in an ideological rut; it is that side of the House. This side of the House has people and tenants at the focus of our social housing reforms which is not what we hear on the other side. This bill is an important part of the Government’s social housing reform programme and as we have heard from Minister Paula Bennett it has the primary aim of introducing flexibility in the way that the Ministry for Social Development can negotiate and contract with social housing providers. This flexibility is important and from our side it should be encouraged. It is absolutely appropriate that we create the framework that this bill enables which enables the Minister for Social Housing to have the power to direct the Ministry for Social Development to enter into these tailored funding agreements with social housing providers.As we know the current set-up and environment is constraining for the Ministry for Social Development. There is very little flexibility and this bill enables the agencies to be able to get outcomes that will deliver more social housing places for New Zealanders. Examples of possible tailored agreements include paying more for tenants who may be more expensive due to higher needs such as older people or entering into a long-term contract with a provider for them to offer a certain number of social housing places for several years. Both of these options are not currently possible under the current law. This is a move away from a one-size-fits-all to something that is more tailored and more sensible and that will deliver better outcomes.We have heard over the last few minutes a reasonably impassioned view around how community housing providers are not going to respond appropriately and to use the words of the Opposition that perhaps this is a pup. I will return later this evening to talk about the experience in Tauranga and the appetite that exists for participating in community housing providers. I look forward to sharing that with the House later this evening. I commend this bill to the House.
Doocey Matt: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — First Reading Second Reading In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeDoocey Matt: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3531. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]MATT DOOCEY (National—Waimakariri): It is a great honour to rise and speak to this first reading of the Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill. I would just like to acknowledge the hard-working Hon Paula Bennett and all the work she has done as the Minister for Social Housing. I must say as a new MP it is an honour and a privilege to be part of this National Government today which has delivered. We are working hard for New Zealanders and listening to New Zealanders.The purpose of this bill is to provide flexibility. It is right that we provide flexibility because in the care sector it is now a mixed economy of care. What I mean by that is it is no longer solely State provision. It is about the Government provision it is about private provision but it is also about community organisation provision as well. So it is right that we provide flexibility in a mixed economy of care. This bill is important as we negotiate and contract with social housing providers because it is about providing the right house to the right person in the right location at the right time.It reminds me of some statistics I read at the start of this year about Housing New Zealand stock. It was interesting that when we looked at demand for one-bedroom houses the demand was around 25 percent but the actual supply was only 9 percent—25 percent demand and 9 percent supply. Then you look at three-bedroom houses—24 percent demand yet 43 percent supply. That clearly evidences how we end up in this situation where we have one or two people living in three or four-bedroom houses. So it is right that we move to a flexible model that will provide people with the right housing at the right time in the right place in the right location.I know from my own experience—I worked in the United Kingdom in the social housing sector managing a specialist intervention team for people with needs in social housing. These people can have learning difficulties mental health issues possibly physical disabilities they might need education and training employment help and budgeting help. It is right that this bill will allow for and enable them to get wraparound services. What we know is that if people are put at the centre of their care their personalised care it enables them to become independent. We want people to go on and have independence in their housing. Not only do they become independent but their self-esteem grows their confidence grows and they go on to be productive members of society. I am very happy to support this bill and commend it to the House. Thank you.
Borrows Chester: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — First Reading Second Reading In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeBorrows Chester: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3531. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER: I am sorry to interrupt the member but his time has expired.
Lotu-Iiga Sam: Support for Children in Hardship Bill — First ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeLotu-Iiga Sam: Support for Children in Hardship Bill — First Reading[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3531. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Hon Peseta SAM LOTU-IIGA (Minister of Corrections) on behalf of the Minister for Social Development: I move That the Support for Children in Hardship Bill be reported to the House by 3 November 2015.Motion agreed to.Sitting suspended from 6 p.m. to 7.30 p.m.
Parmar Parmjeet: Support for Children in Hardship Bill — First ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeParmar Parmjeet: Support for Children in Hardship Bill — First Reading[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3531. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Dr PARMJEET PARMAR (National): I feel so proud to be a part of this Government led by the Rt Hon John Key. I would like to congratulate our Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Finance the Hon Bill English on keeping New Zealand on track for such solid economic growth.It is a pleasure to take this call to support the Support for Children in Hardship Bill in its first reading. This National Government has been and is always focused on delivering for families and children because we understand their needs. We also understand the importance of a strong economy because we know that it is this strong economy under this National Government that is allowing us to commit this package to help children in hardship. New Zealand families also understand the importance of a strong economy.This Budget allocates $790 million in this package which is aimed to help children in hardship—some of those children who are in New Zealand’s poorest families. Yes there is this additional support being provided to these children raised in these households but at the same time we want to support families to get out from welfare dependency. We want to break that cycle of welfare dependency because we know that work is the pathway to success in life. That is why we want to get more and more people into work as soon as possible. Moving to paid work is the best way to lift more families out of poverty.Although an increase in benefit rates will help address the concern about children whose family’s resources have been falling behind those of other households over many years if we compare families dependent on benefits versus families getting into work it is clear that the financial circumstances of families dependent on benefits do not change much over time whereas the circumstances of families who get into work do change over time. We know that in the past year 74000 more people are in work and the average wage has gone up by 2.1 percent whereas inflation is negligible at 0.1 percent. National is focused on sustainable growth which is needed to support more jobs and higher incomes. I support the bill and commend it to the House. Thank you.