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Adams Amy: Exclusive Economic Zone and Continental Shelf (Environmental Effects) Bill — In Committee 
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Hon AMY ADAMS (Minister for the Environment) 
: 
 I am happy to take a call and clarify that matter and I have just double-checked it between Mr Robertson’s first contribution on it. The way that the wording of clause 17 works is that if in fact the application is returned as incomplete then they have an ability to submit a new application but within the original 6 months which was provided in clause 17(2) in the original bill. So it is not circular—it cannot go on and on. They can submit a new application but the provisions in clause 17(3) and (4) as set out in the Supplementary Order Paper make it clear that that can happen only in the original time frame set out in clause 17(2) which is the original 6 months.
Roy Eric: Exclusive Economic Zone and Continental Shelf (Environmental Effects) Bill — In Committee 
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Roy Eric: Exclusive Economic Zone and Continental Shelf (Environmental Effects) Bill — In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: I have a small announcement to make. The votes on Supplementary Order Papers 96 and 101 were incorrectly announced. The result should have been 48 in favour and 71 against in each case. There is no change to the outcome of the vote and the record will show the correct result. My apologies to the Committee.
Calder Cam: Exclusive Economic Zone and Continental Shelf (Environmental Effects) Bill — In Committee 
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Calder Cam: Exclusive Economic Zone and Continental Shelf (Environmental Effects) Bill — In Committee 
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Dr CAM CALDER (National) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
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Vote: Exclusive Economic Zone and Continental Shelf (Environmental Effects) Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Exclusive Economic Zone and Continental Shelf (Environmental Effects) Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 1 as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 71 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 48 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 13; Mana 1. 
Part 1 as amended agreed to.
Vote: Exclusive Economic Zone and Continental Shelf (Environmental Effects) Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Exclusive Economic Zone and Continental Shelf (Environmental Effects) Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 71 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 48 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 13; Mana 1. 
Amendments agreed to.
Vote: Exclusive Economic Zone and Continental Shelf (Environmental Effects) Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Exclusive Economic Zone and Continental Shelf (Environmental Effects) Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 16 August 2012. Volume:682;Page:4519. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 48 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 13; Mana 1. 
Noes 71 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The result corrected after originally being announced as Ayes 47 Noes 71. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 104 in the name of the Hon Annette King to insert new clause 14A be agreed to.
Vote: Exclusive Economic Zone and Continental Shelf (Environmental Effects) Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Exclusive Economic Zone and Continental Shelf (Environmental Effects) Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 48 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 13; Mana 1. 
Noes 71 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The result corrected after originally being announced as Ayes 47 Noes 71. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 101 in the name of Eugenie Sage to clause 14 be agreed to.
Vote: Exclusive Economic Zone and Continental Shelf (Environmental Effects) Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Exclusive Economic Zone and Continental Shelf (Environmental Effects) Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 48 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 13; Mana 1. 
Noes 71 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 96 in the name of the Hon Parekura Horomia to clause 14 be agreed to.
Vote: Exclusive Economic Zone and Continental Shelf (Environmental Effects) Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Exclusive Economic Zone and Continental Shelf (Environmental Effects) Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 48 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 13; Mana 1. 
Noes 71 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 97 in the name of Grant Robertson to clause 10 be agreed to.
Vote: Exclusive Economic Zone and Continental Shelf (Environmental Effects) Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Exclusive Economic Zone and Continental Shelf (Environmental Effects) Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 47 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 12; Mana 1. 
Noes 71 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Amendments not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 89 in the name of Eugenie Sage to clause 10 be agreed to.
Roy Eric: Exclusive Economic Zone and Continental Shelf (Environmental Effects) Bill — In Committee 
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Roy Eric: Exclusive Economic Zone and Continental Shelf (Environmental Effects) Bill — In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: No I did not. He sat down I looked around and no one took a call. I commenced putting the questions. I was actually into the questions so I just proceeded to continue putting them—simple as that. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 105 in the name of Eugenie Sage to clause 4 be agreed to.
Hipkins Chris: Exclusive Economic Zone and Continental Shelf (Environmental Effects) Bill — In Committee 
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Hipkins Chris: Exclusive Economic Zone and Continental Shelf (Environmental Effects) Bill — In Committee 
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CHRIS HIPKINS (Senior Whip—Labour) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I just want to clarify with you what happened there and why we are now voting on these clauses given that Mr Hughes was actually still speaking. Did you terminate his speech?
Vote: Exclusive Economic Zone and Continental Shelf (Environmental Effects) Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Exclusive Economic Zone and Continental Shelf (Environmental Effects) Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 47 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 12; Mana 1. 
Noes 71 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Amendments not agreed to.
Roy Eric: Exclusive Economic Zone and Continental Shelf (Environmental Effects) Bill — In Committee 
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Roy Eric: Exclusive Economic Zone and Continental Shelf (Environmental Effects) Bill — In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: There are several questions. I am going to put the questions now. The first question is on the amendment in Eugenie Sage’s name— 
Eugenie Sage 
: I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I was seeking a call on two Supplementary Order Papers in my name which I have not had an opportunity to speak on yet. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: The member has had two calls. I have started to put the questions. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Papers 90 and 101 in the name of Eugenie Sage to clause 4 be agreed to.
O'Rourke Denis: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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O'Rourke Denis: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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9. 
DENIS O’ROURKE (NZ First) 
 to the  
Minister for Canterbury Earthquake Recovery 
: Was restoration of the Christchurch Cathedral included in the Christchurch Central City Recovery Plan; if not why not? 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (Minister for Canterbury Earthquake Recovery) 
: 
 No. Provision is made in the plan for a cathedral on the present site but there is no indication of what form it will take. That is a matter for its owners the Anglican Church. 
Denis O’Rourke 
: Does the Minister consider that the restoration of a building having the cultural heritage and social importance of the cathedral merits public investment as part of the Christchurch earthquake recovery programme? 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE 
: There are many buildings that would meet those criteria and programmes need to be developed for all of them. 
Denis O’Rourke 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. My question did not relate to buildings in general in Christchurch. It related only to that particular building. That was what the question was about. It should be answered on that basis. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Order! But the member’s question if I recollect correctly asked whether the Minister considered something. The wording of the question in that way is never going to lead to a very precise answer. The Minister answered what he considered in respect of buildings of that nature.
Roy Eric: Exclusive Economic Zone and Continental Shelf (Environmental Effects) Bill — In Committee 
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Roy Eric: Exclusive Economic Zone and Continental Shelf (Environmental Effects) Bill — In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: Leave is sought to report progress. Is there anyone opposed to that course of action? There is.
Robertson Grant: Exclusive Economic Zone and Continental Shelf (Environmental Effects) Bill — In Committee 
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Robertson Grant: Exclusive Economic Zone and Continental Shelf (Environmental Effects) Bill — In Committee 
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GRANT ROBERTSON (Deputy Leader—Labour) 
: 
 I seek leave that we report progress on the Exclusive Economic Zone and Continental Shelf (Environmental Effects) Bill in order for the bill and its accompanying Supplementary Order Papers to be referred back to the Local Government and Environment Committee. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: You can seek leave that we report progress. I am not sure whether the additional instruction or the reason is in order. So all the member does is just— 
GRANT ROBERTSON 
: I seek leave that we report progress on this bill.
Vote: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
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Vote: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the preamble clauses 1 to 12 and schedules 1 to 7 be agreed to. 
Ayes 64 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Mana 1. 
Preamble clauses 1 to 12 and schedules 1 to 7 agreed to. 
Bill to be reported without amendment presently.
Roy Eric: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
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Roy Eric: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: Order! Sit down please. I have ruled on that. That is a debating point. You cannot enter into a debate or the alteration of a debate by the mechanism of a point of order. You simply cannot do that. The debate has now expired. I will put the question which is that Vote Maori Affairs stand part. 
Vote agreed to.
Lole-Taylor Asenati: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
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Lole-Taylor Asenati: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
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Le’aufa’amulia ASENATI LOLE-TAYLOR (NZ First) 
: 
 I seek leave to request that the member who has made an incorrect statement about Winston Peters—
Roy Eric: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
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Roy Eric: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: No you cannot do that. You cannot correct. That is a debating point; that is not a point of order. The time—
Lole-Taylor Asenati: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
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Lole-Taylor Asenati: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
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Le’aufa’amulia ASENATI LOLE-TAYLOR (NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. That member Tau Henare has stated that the Rt Hon— 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: Order! 
Le’aufa’amulia 
 ASENATI LOLE-TAYLOR 
: I am seeking leave Mr Chairperson. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: That is not how you start to seek leave by criticising another member. 
Le’aufa’amulia 
 ASENATI LOLE-TAYLOR 
: I am trying to seek leave to correct a comment that was made.
Roy Eric: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
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Roy Eric: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: Unfortunately the time for this debate has expired.
Lees-Galloway Iain: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Lees-Galloway Iain: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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12. 
IAIN LEES-GALLOWAY (Labour—Palmerston North) 
 to the  
Minister of Transport 
: Which commuter rail services if any do not receive funding from the New Zealand Transport Agency? 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (Minister of Transport) 
: 
 The only rail service that may meet the definition of “commuter service” not to receive funding from the New Zealand Transport Agency is the Capital Connection. 
Iain Lees-Galloway 
: Does the Minister believe that as well as congestion relief factors such as safety economic development environmental sustainability and value for money must also be taken into account when apportioning funding for public transport; if so is he aware that fewer resources are consumed and far fewer injuries and deaths occur per passenger kilometre as a result of rail travel when compared with roads? 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE 
: All those facts are important and will be considered as my officials look at the business case for the continuation of the Capital Connection rail service which has been provided to my office this week. 
Iain Lees-Galloway 
: Given that the Government is prepared to borrow $2.3 billion for the Wellington road of national significance which has a negative benefit-cost ratio will he ensure that the Capital Connection gets the $0.0003 billion a year it needs to provide the service which has a benefit-cost ratio of between 1.6 and 3? 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE 
: The Government is not borrowing for the roads as was suggested by the member.
Hayes John: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Hayes John: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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8. 
JOHN HAYES (National—Wairarapa) 
 to the  
Minister for Courts 
: In light of the opening of the temporary courthouse in Masterton last week what is the range of services that courts can now offer in Masterton? 
Hon CHESTER BORROWS (Minister for Courts) 
: 
 Firstly I would like to thank the member for his assistance in the process of identifying and securing a temporary court facility for Masterton and also the community in the Wairarapa for the patience it has shown during the period that the courts have been operating out of the Frank Cody Lounge. I am very pleased to say that with the new temporary courthouse operational a full range of court services—criminal family civil and tribunal—is once again being delivered in Masterton. 
John Hayes 
: What progress is being made in repairing the original Masterton courthouse? 
Hon CHESTER BORROWS 
: Good progress is being made and may I announce plans to fix the Masterton courthouse to bring it up to appropriate building safety standards. This work is on track with expressions of interest having been sought in tender documents released today. It is intended that this work costing about $3.5 million will be completed by April next year. 
Denis O’Rourke 
: Can the Minister confirm that all collections officers employed in the Masterton courthouse have been made redundant effectively leaving the entire Wairarapa region without any full-time collections officers? 
Hon CHESTER BORROWS 
: I am unable to answer that question given its divergence from the primary question. I am happy to seek that advice and to get back to him if he wishes to ask that question again. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Question No. 9 Denis O’Rourke. 
Denis O’Rourke 
: Can the Minister confirm that all collections officers employed in the Masterton courthouse— 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I beg your pardon? 
Denis O’Rourke 
: I understood that you were asking for the question again. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: No no not at all. I was calling for question No. 9. 
Denis O’Rourke 
: I am sorry Mr Speaker.
Auchinvole Chris: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Auchinvole Chris: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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6. 
CHRIS AUCHINVOLE (National) 
 to the  
Minister of Broadcasting 
: What percentage of households in Hawke’s Bay and on the West Coast of the South Island have gone digital ahead of the digital switchover in these regions on 30 September? 
Hon CRAIG FOSS (Minister of Broadcasting) 
: 
 Ninety percent of households in Hawke’s Bay and 92 percent of households on the West Coast of the South Island have already gone digital ahead of the switch-over on 30 September. There is a high level of awareness in these regions—at least 96 percent—of the need to go digital. Although some households may choose not to go digital I fully encourage others to make the switch well before 30 September. Nationwide 86 percent of households have already gone digital and are enjoying more channels better pictures and new services. 
Chris Auchinvole 
: What action needs to be taken by those households that want to watch TV after the digital switch-over? 
Hon CRAIG FOSS 
: To keep watching TV households need to go digital either by having FreeView Sky or TelstraClear or by acquiring a set top box. People wanting to find out what they need to go digital should visit www.goingdigital.co.nz or call 0800 838 800. The rest of the South Island will have its digital switch-over at the end of April 2013. The digital switch-over awareness campaign will be rolled out across the rest of the South Island in the coming months.
Hutchison Paul: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Hutchison Paul: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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3. 
Dr PAUL HUTCHISON (National—Hunua) 
 to the  
Minister of Health 
: What progress can he report on the numbers of patients receiving elective surgery? 
Hon TONY RYALL (Minister of Health) 
: 
 The latest district health board data shows that an extra 7500 patients got elective surgery in the last 12 months meaning 153000 people got the operations they needed in the last financial year. More patients are getting hip and knee replacements cataract surgeries and tonsillectomies sooner and more prompt treatment improves recovery and gets patients back to normal life sooner. This means that under this Government the number of patients receiving elective surgery each year is now 35000 more than in the last year of the previous Government. Under National there has been a 30 percent increase in elective surgery. 
Dr Paul Hutchison 
: What progress has been made on reducing waiting times for elective surgery? 
Hon TONY RYALL 
: Members will be aware that the Auditor-General expressed some concern that about 10 percent of patients treated in a certain period were waiting more than 6 months on a waiting list. As a result the Government has worked with district health boards in order to reduce the number of patients waiting longer than 6 months to get their treatment or specialist appointment. We have in the last year reduced that number by 85 percent from 5700 to 840 patients. This includes 690 patients on Canterbury District Health Board’s list and if they are excluded only 152 patients who are booked to see a specialist or get surgery are waiting more than 6 months across the country. This is a great achievement by the doctors and nurses and the New Zealand public health service.
Smith Lockwood: Points of Order — Personal Explanation—Leave Sought to Correct 
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Smith Lockwood: Points of Order — Personal Explanation—Leave Sought to Correct 
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Mr SPEAKER 
: I appreciate the member’s attempt to be constructive but I am not sure there is a provision for that— 
Hon Trevor Mallard 
: Well he can do it if he wants to—any time. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The member can certainly make a ministerial statement at any time. That is quite correct.
Mallard Trevor: Points of Order — Personal Explanation—Leave Sought to Correct 
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Mallard Trevor: Points of Order — Personal Explanation—Leave Sought to Correct 
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Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I just want to make it clear to the Government that the Labour Party will not speak if the Minister chooses to correct his ministerial explanation by way of ministerial statement.
Smith Lockwood: Points of Order — Personal Explanation—Leave Sought to Correct 
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Smith Lockwood: Points of Order — Personal Explanation—Leave Sought to Correct 
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Mr SPEAKER 
: Order! I apologise if I did not hear objection. That is why I called for more silence—so that I could hear. I apologise. It seems that I will need to put the leave again to clarify the situation because if there is objection I should not ignore that. I did not intentionally ignore it. I feel I should put the leave to the House again. Leave is sought for the Hon Maurice Williamson to correct a personal explanation he made yesterday. Is there any objection? There is objection.
Williamson Maurice: Points of Order — Personal Explanation—Leave Sought to Correct 
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Williamson Maurice: Points of Order — Personal Explanation—Leave Sought to Correct 
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Hon MAURICE WILLIAMSON (Minister for Building and Construction) 
: 
 I seek leave to correct a personal explanation I made to the House yesterday. [ 
Interruption 
] It is all right— 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Order! Leave is sought for that course of action. Is there any objection? [ 
Interruption 
] Order! I must be able to hear clearly. Is there any objection? There is no objection. 
Hon MAURICE WILLIAMSON 
: Yesterday in relation to the— 
Rt Hon Winston Peters 
: Point of order Mr Speaker. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: No a point is being— 
Rt Hon Winston Peters 
: There is objection.
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Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (Leader of the House) 
: 
 No. We have not made a decision about a time for the bill to come into the House so clearly we have not abandoned anything.
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Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 Can I inquire of the Leader of the House whether the Government has abandoned its intention to move next week on liquor law reform given the intemperate comments of the Minister in charge of the bill?
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Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (Leader of the House) 
: 
 When the House resumes on Tuesday 21 August the Government will look to complete the third reading of the Appropriation (2012/13) Estimates Bill and the remaining stages of the Exclusive Economic Zone and Continental Shelf (Environmental Effects) Bill. The Government also intends to progress a number of other bills on the Order Paper.
Personal Explanations — Canterbury Earthquake Recovery Minister—Actions Incorrectly Attributed to Hon Lianne Dalziel 
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Personal Explanations — Canterbury Earthquake Recovery Minister—Actions Incorrectly Attributed to Hon Lianne Dalziel 
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Personal Explanations 
Canterbury Earthquake Recovery Minister—Actions Incorrectly Attributed to Hon Lianne Dalziel 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (Minister for Canterbury Earthquake Recovery) 
: 
 I seek leave under Standing Order 354 to make a personal explanation about an impression that might have been garnered from an answer I gave to a question 5 months ago. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Leave is sought for that purpose. Is there any objection? There is no objection. 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE 
: On 22 March in answer to oral question No. 5 from the Hon Lianne Dalziel I gave an answer that relied heavily on statements previously made by the member concerning her personal circumstances. Although you have found no matter of privilege in the answer I none the less apologise for any unintended reputational damage to the member. The last 23 months have been difficult for all members of Parliament from Canterbury including me and I acknowledge that throughout that time all have sought first to represent the best interests of their constituents.
Points of Order — Personal Explanation—Leave Sought to Correct 
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Points of Order — Personal Explanation—Leave Sought to Correct 
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Points of Order 
Personal Explanation—Leave Sought to Correct 
Hon MAURICE WILLIAMSON (Minister for Building and Construction) 
: 
 I seek leave to correct a personal explanation I made to the House yesterday. [ 
Interruption 
] It is all right— 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Order! Leave is sought for that course of action. Is there any objection? [ 
Interruption 
] Order! I must be able to hear clearly. Is there any objection? There is no objection. 
Hon MAURICE WILLIAMSON 
: Yesterday in relation to the— 
Rt Hon Winston Peters 
: Point of order Mr Speaker. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: No a point is being— 
Rt Hon Winston Peters 
: There is objection. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Order! I apologise if I did not hear objection. That is why I called for more silence—so that I could hear. I apologise. It seems that I will need to put the leave again to clarify the situation because if there is objection I should not ignore that. I did not intentionally ignore it. I feel I should put the leave to the House again. Leave is sought for the Hon Maurice Williamson to correct a personal explanation he made yesterday. Is there any objection? There is objection. 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I just want to make it clear to the Government that the Labour Party will not speak if the Minister chooses to correct his ministerial explanation by way of ministerial statement. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I appreciate the member’s attempt to be constructive but I am not sure there is a provision for that— 
Hon Trevor Mallard 
: Well he can do it if he wants to—any time. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The member can certainly make a ministerial statement at any time. That is quite correct.
Business Statement 
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Thursday 16 August 2012 
Mr Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Prayers 
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Business Statement 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (Leader of the House) 
: 
 When the House resumes on Tuesday 21 August the Government will look to complete the third reading of the Appropriation (2012/13) Estimates Bill and the remaining stages of the Exclusive Economic Zone and Continental Shelf (Environmental Effects) Bill. The Government also intends to progress a number of other bills on the Order Paper. 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 Can I inquire of the Leader of the House whether the Government has abandoned its intention to move next week on liquor law reform given the intemperate comments of the Minister in charge of the bill? 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (Leader of the House) 
: 
 No. We have not made a decision about a time for the bill to come into the House so clearly we have not abandoned anything.
Vote: Exclusive Economic Zone and Continental Shelf (Environmental Effects) Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 48 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 13; Mana 1. 
Noes 71 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 89 in the name of Eugenie Sage to insert new clause 11A be agreed to.
Ross Jami-Lee: Prohibition of Gang Insignia in Government Premises Bill — First Reading 
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JAMI-LEE ROSS (National—Botany) 
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 Gangs in this country are a cancerous corrosive stain on this society. For members of this House to stand up and defend the rights of gangs to show their colours and to show their pride when we know that gangs have no rightful place in New Zealand society and when we know that they stand for crime they stand for harassment and they stand for intimidating good New Zealanders—for members to say that gangs should be supported and that this legislation is a waste of time—is contemptuous. It is an insult to everyday New Zealanders who just want to live their lives free from harassment. 
Members opposite tell us that this bill the Prohibition of Gang Insignia in Government Premises Bill is a waste of time but members opposite spent month after month after month wasting this House’s time with a bill about the Royal Society filibustering their own legislation. They now tell us that a piece of legislation like this which will help to keep New Zealanders free from intimidation is a waste of time. It is poor it is wrong and I do not support what they are saying. 
I see Mr Speaker that you are about to call the adjournment— 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Sorry to interrupt the honourable member. The time has come for me to leave the chair. 
Debate interrupted.
Logie Jan: Prohibition of Gang Insignia in Government Premises Bill — First Reading 
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JAN LOGIE (Green) 
: 
 The Green Party will be voting against the Prohibition of Gang Insignia in Government Premises Bill tonight—surprise surprise—though I must admit I have a certain sympathy for what I imagine is the intent of this bill if not for the idea itself. 
I have worked in the community and I have seen young people recruited into gangs and I have seen what it does to their lives. I understand that patches and colours hold a power and a symbolism that attract as much as they induce fear. Every time I saw a young person being prospected I felt like a failure. But the very sight of them wearing their colours alerted me to the need to step up our support. Without those visible colours we would not have known their need. We need to address the root causes that drive people to gangs and to support vulnerable people within gangs to engage in positive societal contributions. 
This bill effectively bans gang-associated bandanas in Government buildings. So I would be banned from Parliament for what I am wearing on my wrist if it had the normal squiggles on it or I might have it ripped off me—forcibly—because that is what this bill allows. Some of you might scoff at that as if it is ridiculous and actually you are right to scoff at it because it is ridiculous. It would not be ripped off me because I am not young and the fact is I am white. There is nothing about me that indicates I might be a gang member which tells you that this bill is not actually about the insignia. This bill is about the underlying assumptions we have about people and our insider and our outsider status. 
The Green Party will be opposing this bill because we do not believe it will do anything to protect our young people and we do not believe it will do anything to reduce the drivers of membership in gangs.
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KRIS FAAFOI (Labour—Mana) 
: 
 Todd McClay in his opening speech started with a roll call of offences that gang members had committed. I challenge him and Simon Bridges to think that there is any member on this side of the House who is not angry or outraged at that offending. For Mr Bridges to sit there and call us contemptible and do-gooders and have this faux outrage that we will not be supporting this bill the Prohibition of Gang Insignia in Government Premises Bill I say is contemptible when they put this bill before this House to try to get tough on gangs. 
John Key in 2007 said: “My Government will search out all legal and practicable means available for making it much much tougher to be a member of a criminal gang in this country.” What that says is: “We’re going to get tough on you—don’t wear your jacket. Don’t wear your jacket.” That is how this Government is getting tough on gangs. It is saying: “Don’t wear your jacket in public places.” 
I agree with Mr McClay that gangs serve no good purpose in this country. I agree they are out there committing crime which all of us hate. But if we are going to get serious about tackling gangs then take some serious action in some legislation. Do not bring this piece of legislation before this House. You sit across on the other side of the House with your faux outrage and call us contemptible when you put this bill in front of this Parliament. 
This is not enough. This bill is not enough to get tough on crime. It is not just a provincial problem—I have got a gang problem in my electorate as well. But if we are really going to get serious about gangs then let us take some serious action against them and not bring a piece of legislation that honestly—in all honest opinion—is not going to make a serious iota of difference. 
There is a difference between appearing to be safer and actually being safer. So let us take some serious action against gangs. Yes we are outraged. We are upset that they are out there and we share the concern of the Government about what is going on with gangs in this country. But take it seriously. Todd McClay should go back and resubmit a bill that is really going to take some action against gangs. 
Gang members love the brotherhood. Gang members love the brotherhood of being in a gang and Mr Bridges brought that up too. But they also have too much spare time on their hands. So this Government could take some real action in making sure we do not have young people going into gangs by making sure there are opportunities for them in our country. 
As Charles Chauvel said we will not be supporting this bill. I am upset that that side of the House can call us contemptible and are outraged because they say we are not getting tough on gangs when they bring this legislation in here.
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CHARLES CHAUVEL (Labour) 
: 
 If a person does anything on central government property to make people feel intimidated the law provides a remedy. The responsible Minister or the chief executive of the department or the entity can make rules issue trespass notices or take a range of other meaningful actions under the existing laws of New Zealand that stop the intimidation. If a person does anything on local government property to make another person feel intimidated the law provides a remedy. The council can make and enforce bylaws. The chief executive can make rules or issue trespass notices or take a range of meaningful actions under the existing laws of New Zealand to stop the intimidation from happening. 
This Parliament costs thousands of dollars a minute to run. This bill the Prohibition of Gang Insignia in Government Premises Bill merely duplicates existing law and is a waste of—[ 
Interruption 
] 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Order! I am sorry to interrupt the member but interjections across the floor are unacceptable. I want to hear what the member is saying. If you want to interject you interject against the speaker and do not have this free flow across the cross benches. 
CHARLES CHAUVEL 
: Thank you Mr Assistant Speaker. 
As I was saying this Parliament costs thousands of dollars an hour to run. This bill just duplicates the existing laws of New Zealand and is a waste of time. The Opposition will not cooperate in wasting this Parliament’s time. We will vote against this piece of window dressing masquerading as legislation.
Vote: Local Government (Salary Moderation) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Local Government (Salary Moderation) Amendment Bill be now read a first time. 
Ayes 59 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 2; Mana 1. 
Noes 61 
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Motion not agreed to.
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The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch) 
: No. We have put leave—[ 
Interruption 
] Order! We have put leave for these purposes. It has been declined. We are moving on. I am calling Nicky Wagner.
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Hon CLAYTON COSGROVE (Labour) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I just briefly seek your advice. I am not challenging the fact that leave has been declined for a series of documents—that is the House’s right and privilege—but where a member has constantly made statements around figures for instance being untrue as that member has repeatedly and then he denies leave for the figures to be tabled what are the remedies—
Smith Nick: Local Government (Salary Moderation) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Hon Dr NICK SMITH (National—Nelson) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch) 
: If it is on the website then it is in the public domain. [ 
Interruption 
] Hang on. I will need clarification. [ 
Interruption 
] I am dealing with a point over here. I will ask the member whether this is on the website. 
Hon Dr NICK SMITH 
: No.
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The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Well we are not going to table that.
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Hon Dr NICK SMITH (National—Nelson) 
: 
 I seek leave to table the Department of Internal Affairs’ official advice showing that in the 10 years after Labour’s local government reforms— 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Is this a public document? 
Hon Dr NICK SMITH 
: It is advice provided—[ 
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The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Order! We are asking; he is speaking. Is this a public document? 
Hon Dr NICK SMITH 
: It is individual advice so it is not a document that has been openly on a website. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Is it in the public domain? 
Hon Dr NICK SMITH 
: Like any document that has been provided as departmental advice it can be obtained under the Official Information Act—
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Hon Dr NICK SMITH (National—Nelson) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I think we misunderstood each other. On a previous occasion the same member sought leave—
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The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch) 
: No this is not the same document; this is a letter. She is asking for leave—
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Hon Dr NICK SMITH (National—Nelson) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. There is a long-established Standing Order that you cannot seek leave for the same document twice.
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The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch) 
: No. You have told me; it is a letter from the current Minister of—
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Hon ANNETTE KING (Labour—Rongotai) 
: 
 I seek leave to table a letter from the current Minister of Local Government to me saying that he will not release the corrected— 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Order! 
Hon ANNETTE KING 
: You need to know what it is about.
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The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Well we are not putting leave on something that is available.