Mark Ron: Taxation (KiwiSaver HomeStart and Remedial Matters) Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMark Ron: Taxation (KiwiSaver HomeStart and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 25 March 2015. Volume:704;Page:2621. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]RON MARK (NZ First):I have to say that I was sitting in my office trying to get some other work done reading for a select committee tomorrow and could not help but hear the previous speeches from the National side speaking specifically around the impact on veterans. As you know I am a returned serviceman myself. I do not know whether there is one in the Government ranks over there. There might be one. [Interruption] Well Mr Bennett. There is Mr Bennett the man who is due to become an ex - member of Parliament we know after the next election. He is the man who spends more time in San Francisco than he does in New Zealand but we will not go into that will we Mr Bennett? So he wants to chip in.When we start to talk about defence force personnel Mr Bennett has always got a mouth on him the size of that door over there. He has always got things to say. The truth is that Mr Bennett is the type of person who talks about sending people overseas but would never himself volunteer to do that work because he—well he lacks the fortitude required. But I would say that—David Bennett: I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson.The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Chester Borrows): I do not need any help. I can anticipate what the point of order is. Mr Mark has been here long enough to know that making those sorts of comments is unparliamentary in respect of questioning somebody’s fortitude. Withdraw and apologise.RON MARK: Thank you and I—The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Chester Borrows): Order! The member will withdraw and apologise.RON MARK: Oh I am sorry Mr Bennett—I withdraw wholeheartedly.David Bennett: I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. When you withdraw and apologise you are supposed to do that—just say “I withdraw and apologise.” not make any other comment like that.The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Chester Borrows): Because the member has taken issue I ask the member to withdraw and apologise without further statement.RON MARK: I withdraw and apologise.Darroch Ball: Without further statement.RON MARK: Without further statement. As you know Mr Chair having been in this Chamber—The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Chester Borrows): Order! The member is now trifling with a good-natured Chairman. He can continue with his call and try to do so with some grace.RON MARK: Thank you Mr Chairman—Jono Naylor: Let’s talk about the bill Ron.RON MARK: There you go. I do know that the rule of this House is that every time someone has some interjection to make there is a right of reply on that interjection. The House has always understood that if you dish it out you should expect to wear it straight back Jono.So I am going to say—and clearly the Opposition is pricking the conscience of this Government having deployed men and women to Iraq. Clearly on the one hand while we get some guts join the right side and send servicemen overseas on the other hand behind the backs of the very men—that the member who is based in Palmerston North has just agreed to deploy over there; behind the backs of every person in Linton—we have this clause veterans’ support.I want the Minister in the chair Paul Goldsmith to stand and explain clearly to the Committee and to answer the questions from the Opposition: does this adversely affect veterans? Will this mean that they will lose money? Will this mean that retrospectively those veterans who had a lump sum will now be required to pay it back?It is important that the Minister does not take this lightly and that he stands because Hansard as you know Mr Chair is the record by which determinations may be better understood. Tonight it is very important that we clarify this point right now on the record of the House that the Committee receives a clear unequivocal statement from the Government that this clause will not—not—disadvantage those service personnel who will return from Iraq and become veterans and in time seek the sort of assistance that this legislation allows them to seek. Will shifting this legislation—will this clause 2 disadvantage veterans? Will it retrospectively mean that some people or their widows as was raised by a member earlier on have to repay money that they have received? Please just clarify this.New Zealand First’s position is that we support the intent of this bill and we support the bill going forward but now we have a serious issue here as far as I am concerned. I find it very difficult myself as a returned serviceman and I am really sincerely sure that there are members in the National Party ranks who would not want to think that their vote is going to disadvantage those personnel whom they have sent to Iraq as well. I actually would like to think that Mr Bennett would like to hear the answer from the Minister. Right now it needs to be clarified so I am going to sit down now and I will take another call if I do not hear an answer because I really think that this issue needs to be clarified in the Hansard tonight.Clause 1 agreed to.The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 60 in the name of the Hon Todd McClay to clause 2 be agreed to.Amendment agreed to.Clause 2 as amended agreed to.Clause 3 agreed to.Clause 4 agreed to.Clause 5 agreed to.The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 60 in the name of the Hon Todd McClay to insert new clause 5BA be agreed to.New clause 5BA agreed to.The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 60 in the name of the Hon Todd McClay to clause 5B be agreed to.Amendments agreed to.Clause 5B as amended agreed to.The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 60 in the name of the Hon Todd McClay to clause 6 be agreed to.Amendment agreed to.Clause 6 as amended agreed to.The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 60 in the name of the Hon Todd McClay to insert new clause 6B be agreed to.New clause 6B agreed to.Clause 7 agreed to.Clause 8 agreed to.Clause 9 agreed to.The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 60 in the name of the Hon Todd McClay to clause 10 be agreed to.Amendment agreed to.Clause 10 as amended agreed to.Clause 11 agreed to.Bill to be reported with amendment presently.