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Cullen Michael: Taxation (Annual Rates and Urgent Measures) Bill — In Committee 
Cullen Michael: Taxation (Annual Rates and Urgent Measures) Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:628;Page:759] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Minister of Finance) 
: 
 I just want briefly to thank all parties for their granting of leave for this part of the bill to be included. It deals with the equalisation of wine tax. Everyone of course realised that the Australian tax came as a bit of a shock to the New Zealand wine industry when it was announced in the Australian Budget some time ago. We have an agreement with the Australian Government and we need the legislative means in New Zealand to implement that agreement which is incorporated in this part. Again I thank members for their support on that matter.
Vote: Taxation (Annual Rates and Urgent Measures) Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Taxation (Annual Rates and Urgent Measures) Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:628;Page:759] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 71 
New Zealand Labour 50; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; United Future 3; Progressive 1. 
Noes 50 
New Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 2. 
Motion agreed to.
Mackey Moana: Taxation (Annual Rates and Urgent Measures) Bill — In Committee 
Mackey Moana: Taxation (Annual Rates and Urgent Measures) Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:628;Page:758] 
MOANA MACKEY (Labour) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Hughes Darren: Taxation (Annual Rates and Urgent Measures) Bill — In Committee 
Hughes Darren: Taxation (Annual Rates and Urgent Measures) Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:628;Page:758] 
DARREN HUGHES (Junior Whip—Labour) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Vote: Urgency 
Vote: Urgency 
[Volume:628;Page:747] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That urgency be accorded. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand Labour 50; New Zealand First 7; United Future 3; Progressive 1. 
Noes 60 
New Zealand National 48; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2. 
Motion agreed to.
Wilson Margaret: Urgency 
Wilson Margaret: Urgency 
[Volume:628;Page:747] 
Madam SPEAKER 
: I thank the member for that point. The decision could be tabled but only with the leave of the House. Certainly I would seek the leave of the House to do that if it becomes available but obviously I do not know when that will be. Did Mr Tisch have another point of order? I think that the Minister in his reply relating to the Biosecurity (Status of Specified Ports) Amendment Bill said that it must be tabled before its first reading.
Brownlee Gerry: Urgency 
Brownlee Gerry: Urgency 
[Volume:628;Page:747] 
GERRY BROWNLEE (Deputy Leader—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. This is a technical matter that you might be able to instruct us on. We understand that a decision is pending on the Tauranga case—relating to the electoral petition there—that would be reported to the House. Does the taking of urgency today prevent the House from receiving that information?
Cullen Michael: Urgency 
Cullen Michael: Urgency 
[Volume:628;Page:747] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 That bill will be made available not long before we get to its introduction and first reading. I will be happy to arrange if need be for copies to be made available to the various party spokespeople and for them to talk to officials about the bill.
Tisch Lindsay: Urgency 
Tisch Lindsay: Urgency 
[Volume:628;Page:747] 
LINDSAY TISCH (Senior Whip—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. When will the Biosecurity (Status of Specified Ports) Amendment Bill be made available to the House?
Cullen Michael: Urgency 
Cullen Michael: Urgency 
[Volume:628;Page:747] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I move  
That urgency be accorded the passing through their remaining stages of the Taxation (Annual Rates and Urgent Measures) Bill and the Hazardous Substances and New Organisms (Approvals and Enforcement) Amendment Bill and of any bills into which those bills may be divided; the introduction and passing of the Biosecurity (Status of Specified Ports) Amendment Bill; the passing through their remaining stages of the Subordinate Legislation (Confirmation and Validation) Bill and the Veterinarians Bill; and the first readings of the Sports Anti-Doping Bill the Immigration Advisers Licensing Bill the Standards and Conformance Bill the Geographical Indications (Wine and Spirits) Registration Bill the Housing Restructuring and Tenancy Matters (Information Matching) Amendment Bill and the Unsolicited Electronic Messages Bill. 
 This motion is moved in order that a number of bills can be completed for legal or administrative reasons before the House rises for the Christmas adjournment; also in order that a number of other bills can be referred to select committees.
Chadwick Steve: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Chadwick Steve: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:628;Page:744] 
11.  
STEVE CHADWICK (Labour—Rotorua) 
 to the  
Associate Minister of Health 
: What reports has he received about the public’s response to the introduction of the Smoke-free Environments Amendment Act 2003? 
Hon DAMIEN O'CONNOR (Associate Minister of Health) 
: 
 I am delighted that the Ministry of Health has recently released a report entitled  
The Smoke is Clearing: Anniversary Report 2005 
 which supports the significant health benefits for bar and restaurant workers and customers arising from and confirms strong public support for the legislation. The report also found no overall downturn in bar and retail sales tourism or employment. 
Steve Chadwick 
: Has he seen any further reports on the Smoke-free Environments Amendment Act 2003? 
Hon DAMIEN O'CONNOR 
: Yes a survey from the Asthma and Respiratory Foundation shows 67 percent public support for the Act. I have also seen a report stating that the law goes too far and is an example of a nanny State and yet another stating that the law should not be scrapped. The first report came from the PC eradicator Dr Wayne Mapp and the second from Dr Don Brash.
Brown Peter: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Brown Peter: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:628;Page:742] 
9.  
PETER BROWN (Deputy Leader—NZ First) 
 to the  
Minister for Social Development and Employment 
: What progress if any has been made on the investigation into improving options for senior citizens eligible for overseas pensions as well as New Zealand superannuation? 
Hon DAVID BENSON-POPE (Minister for Social Development and Employment) 
: 
 On 24 November this year officials provided a report to the Minister of Finance and myself on a range of 15 options to modernise the direct deduction policy where a superannuitant has an overseas pension similar to New Zealand superannuation and to address issues associated with the payment of New Zealand superannuation overseas. The Minister of Finance and I met on 1 December and directed officials to report further to us by the end of February 2006 on a subset of options presented in the November report. I intend to bring proposals to Cabinet in the first half of 2006. 
Peter Brown 
: Does the Minister accept that this is a very important issue to many overseas people now resident in this country and can he foreshadow any of the likely changes that will be made in the report when it is finally announced? 
Hon DAVID BENSON-POPE 
: I do accept that and I can confirm that nine of the 15 options presented in the November report concern the direct deduction policy and six options concern the portability of New Zealand superannuation overseas. I intend to bring concrete proposals to Cabinet in the first half of the new year.
Collins Judith: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Collins Judith: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:628;Page:740] 
7.  
JUDITH COLLINS (National—Clevedon) 
 to the  
Minister for Social Development and Employment 
: Is he satisfied with the way in which he and his office have handled the release of parts of his police file? 
Hon DAVID BENSON-POPE (Minister for Social Development and Employment) 
: 
 As I have said previously I authorised the release of information to a Sunday newspaper to provide balance to the misinformation provided to the House in the previous week by Rodney Hide. No constraint was placed on me with regard to the files in my possession although in hindsight I recognise that releasing details was not the wisest course of action. 
Judith Collins 
: I think the answer to that is yes. When he authorised— 
Madam SPEAKER 
: The Minister answered the question. Would the member please ask a supplementary question—no editorialising thank you. 
Judith Collins 
: When he authorised a staff member to release selected parts of the police report to a Sunday newspaper did he also authorise that staff member to say that the Minister was unavailable for an interview and had no comment to make and does he agree that that is very deceptive conduct? 
Hon DAVID BENSON-POPE 
: Yes and no. 
Judith Collins 
: If it was for the “police to release the report” as the Minister has publicly maintained why did he decide to leak selective parts of the report in advance and does he agree that it was a deceptive attempt to manipulate public opinion and erode the credibility of witnesses? 
Hon DAVID BENSON-POPE 
: As I answered previously I authorised the release of information to the Sunday newspaper to provide balance to the misinformation provided to the House in the previous week by Rodney Hide. No constraint was placed on me with regard to files in my possession although in hindsight I recognise that my action was not appropriate. 
Judith Collins 
: Does the Minister stand by his statement to the House last Thursday when he said: “The material that was released was not selective. Also as I said previously it contained comment quite critical of myself.”—that is of course referring to the Minister—and if so which particular parts of that material does he consider to be quite critical of himself? 
Hon DAVID BENSON-POPE 
: Yes I consider the material that was released was balanced. 
Judith Collins 
: I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. I do not believe that the Minister addressed that question. I asked him which particular parts of the material he considered to be quite critical of himself. His answer was about being fair it was not about which material was quite critical. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: The Minister addressed the question. 
Judith Collins 
: Has the Minister since spoken to or briefed in advance the Prime Minister or any caucus colleagues about the handling of the police report; if so what was the nature of the advice that they gave to him? 
Hon DAVID BENSON-POPE 
: I have had no conversation with the Prime Minister over those matters.
Choudhary Ashraf: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Choudhary Ashraf: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:628;Page:739] 
6.  
Dr ASHRAF CHOUDHARY (Labour) 
 to the  
Minister responsible for Climate Change Issues 
: What reports has he received on the outcomes of the Montreal negotiations on the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) and under the Kyoto Protocol? 
Hon DAVID PARKER (Minister responsible for Climate Change Issues) 
: 
 The Montreal negotiations achieved three significant advances. First there was unanimous agreement that human-induced climate change is accelerating and is a very serious problem. Second all United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change signatories including the USA agreed unanimously to work together on further climate change responses. Third progress was made on implementing the Kyoto Protocol which is at present the most important and effective instrument to tackle greenhouse gas emissions. 
Dr Ashraf Choudhary 
: What risks to New Zealand’s interests were avoided in relation to Kyoto Protocol carbon credits for exotic forests? 
Hon DAVID PARKER 
: There was a potentially disastrous proposal that would have prevented New Zealand from counting pine forests as carbon sinks. Due to the good work of the New Zealand negotiators this proposal was rejected.
te Heuheu Georgina: Obituaries — Most Reverend Max TakuiraMariu 
te Heuheu Georgina: Obituaries — Most Reverend Max TakuiraMariu 
[Volume:628;Page:731] 
Hon GEORGINA TE HEUHEU (National) 
: 
 On behalf of the National Party I would like to register this party’s grief at the passing of Bishop Max TakuiraMariu and say only that during his time in the priesthood and certainly in his time as bishop he worked hard not just in the service of the Catholic Church but indeed in the service of all New Zealand and New Zealanders. As a relative of his I am very pleased to be able to add my comments to those that have been made already and I am very grateful that the House reserves this time to pay him the tribute that he deserves. Kia ora. 
Motion agreed to.
Horomia Parekura: Obituaries — Most Reverend Max TakuiraMariu 
Horomia Parekura: Obituaries — Most Reverend Max TakuiraMariu 
[Volume:628;Page:731] 
Hon PAREKURA HOROMIA (Minister of Maori Affairs) 
: 
 E tautokotiaakeano te tu o te whaea Tariana Turia mo te tumokemoke o te koroua ra te pihopa. Tangi hoki te ngakau o tatou katoa mai i te motu. 
[An interpretation in English was given to the House.] 
Again I endorse Tariana Turia rising for the forlorn figure of the bishop that elder. All of us in the House and indeed throughout the land grieve too. 
]
Turia Tariana: Obituaries — Most Reverend Max TakuiraMariu 
Turia Tariana: Obituaries — Most Reverend Max TakuiraMariu 
[Volume:628;Page:731] 
TARIANA TURIA (Co-Leader—Maori Party) 
: 
 I move  
That this House express its deep sadness on the death of the Most Reverend Max TakuiraMariu the first Maori Catholic Bishop.  
I express our sincere condolences to te HahiKatorika ki Aotearoa and to the Mariuwhanau and to all those who are feeling a profound sense of loss and sorrow at this time.
Tisch Lindsay: Points of Order — Party Votes—Proxy 
Tisch Lindsay: Points of Order — Party Votes—Proxy 
[Volume:628;Page:731] 
LINDSAY TISCH (Senior Whip—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. In view of the disruption to air travel I seek leave that all members be deemed to be present within the parliamentary precincts for the purposes of party voting until the House rises this evening. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought. Is there any objection? There is no objection.
Urgency 
Urgency 
[Volume:628;Page:747] 
Urgency 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I move  
That urgency be accorded the passing through their remaining stages of the Taxation (Annual Rates and Urgent Measures) Bill and the Hazardous Substances and New Organisms (Approvals and Enforcement) Amendment Bill and of any bills into which those bills may be divided; the introduction and passing of the Biosecurity (Status of Specified Ports) Amendment Bill; the passing through their remaining stages of the Subordinate Legislation (Confirmation and Validation) Bill and the Veterinarians Bill; and the first readings of the Sports Anti-Doping Bill the Immigration Advisers Licensing Bill the Standards and Conformance Bill the Geographical Indications (Wine and Spirits) Registration Bill the Housing Restructuring and Tenancy Matters (Information Matching) Amendment Bill and the Unsolicited Electronic Messages Bill. 
 This motion is moved in order that a number of bills can be completed for legal or administrative reasons before the House rises for the Christmas adjournment; also in order that a number of other bills can be referred to select committees. 
LINDSAY TISCH (Senior Whip—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. When will the Biosecurity (Status of Specified Ports) Amendment Bill be made available to the House? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 That bill will be made available not long before we get to its introduction and first reading. I will be happy to arrange if need be for copies to be made available to the various party spokespeople and for them to talk to officials about the bill. 
GERRY BROWNLEE (Deputy Leader—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. This is a technical matter that you might be able to instruct us on. We understand that a decision is pending on the Tauranga case—relating to the electoral petition there—that would be reported to the House. Does the taking of urgency today prevent the House from receiving that information? 
Madam SPEAKER 
: I thank the member for that point. The decision could be tabled but only with the leave of the House. Certainly I would seek the leave of the House to do that if it becomes available but obviously I do not know when that will be. Did Mr Tisch have another point of order? I think that the Minister in his reply relating to the Biosecurity (Status of Specified Ports) Amendment Bill said that it must be tabled before its first reading. 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That urgency be accorded. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand Labour 50; New Zealand First 7; United Future 3; Progressive 1. 
Noes 60 
New Zealand National 48; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2. 
Motion agreed to.
Obituaries — Most Reverend Max TakuiraMariu 
Obituaries — Most Reverend Max TakuiraMariu 
[Volume:628;Page:731] 
Obituaries 
Most Reverend Max TakuiraMariu 
TARIANA TURIA (Co-Leader—Maori Party) 
: 
 I move  
That this House express its deep sadness on the death of the Most Reverend Max TakuiraMariu the first Maori Catholic Bishop.  
I express our sincere condolences to te HahiKatorika ki Aotearoa and to the Mariuwhanau and to all those who are feeling a profound sense of loss and sorrow at this time. 
Hon PAREKURA HOROMIA (Minister of Maori Affairs) 
: 
 E tautokotiaakeano te tu o te whaea Tariana Turia mo te tumokemoke o te koroua ra te pihopa. Tangi hoki te ngakau o tatou katoa mai i te motu. 
[An interpretation in English was given to the House.] 
Again I endorse Tariana Turia rising for the forlorn figure of the bishop that elder. All of us in the House and indeed throughout the land grieve too. 
] 
Hon GEORGINA TE HEUHEU (National) 
: 
 On behalf of the National Party I would like to register this party’s grief at the passing of Bishop Max TakuiraMariu and say only that during his time in the priesthood and certainly in his time as bishop he worked hard not just in the service of the Catholic Church but indeed in the service of all New Zealand and New Zealanders. As a relative of his I am very pleased to be able to add my comments to those that have been made already and I am very grateful that the House reserves this time to pay him the tribute that he deserves. Kia ora. 
Motion agreed to.
Points of Order — Party Votes—Proxy 
Points of Order — Party Votes—Proxy 
[Volume:628;Page:731] 
Tuesday 13 December 2005 
Madam Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Prayers 
. 
Points of Order 
Party Votes—Proxy 
LINDSAY TISCH (Senior Whip—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. In view of the disruption to air travel I seek leave that all members be deemed to be present within the parliamentary precincts for the purposes of party voting until the House rises this evening. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought. Is there any objection? There is no objection.
King Annette: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
King Annette: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:628;Page:953] 
Hon ANNETTE KING (Minister of State Services) 
: 
 First of all I say to Phil Heatley that his contribution was very droll very amusing and totally irrelevant so I will spend no time on it at all. However the Hon David Carter made a very serious contribution to tonight’s debate. He debated clause 86 “Service of documents”. He wondered why a document would have to be served within 48 hours and he mentioned his very good vet on Banks Peninsula somewhere who is so busy that he or she would not be able to receive a document or go to pick it up. So I thought I would read the whole clause to the member. 
Clause 86(1) states: “Any document notification or summons required or authorised by or under this Act may be served—(a) by delivering it personally to the person; or (b) by posting to the person at that person’s usual place of residence.” So we have the choice of delivering it or posting it via the very good New Zealand Post. Clause 86(2) states that if a document is served under clause 86(1) it has to be served—I tell Mr Carter to listen to this—within at least 48 hours. So it could be served 2 months beforehand but at least 48 hours’ notice must be given before the attendance of the witness is required. If one wants to post the document it must be served at least 10 days in advance. So Mr Carter’s very good vet on Banks Peninsula will have time to receive the summons. Let us face it if the vet is receiving a summons he or she may not be such a good vet.
Vote: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
Vote: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:628;Page:951] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 48 
New Zealand National 48. 
Noes 71 
New Zealand Labour 50; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; United Future 3; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to.
Vote: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
Vote: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:628;Page:950] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 48 
New Zealand National 48. 
Noes 71 
New Zealand Labour 50; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; United Future 3; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon David Carter to clause 78 be agreed to: 
to omit from subclause (2) the number “16” and substitute the number “18”.
Vote: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
Vote: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:628;Page:950] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 48 
New Zealand National 48. 
Noes 71 
New Zealand Labour 50; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; United Future 3; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon David Carter to clause 78 be agreed to: 
to omit from subclause (2) the number “16” and substitute the number “10”.
Vote: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
Vote: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:628;Page:950] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 48 
New Zealand National 48. 
Noes 71 
New Zealand Labour 50; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; United Future 3; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon David Carter to clause 78 be agreed to: 
to omit from subclause (2) the number “16” and substitute the number “9”.
Vote: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
Vote: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:628;Page:950] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 48 
New Zealand National 48. 
Noes 71 
New Zealand Labour 50; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; United Future 3; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon David Carter to clause 78 be agreed to: 
to omit from subclause (2) the words “16 sitting days” and substitute the words “20 sitting days”.
Vote: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
Vote: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:628;Page:949] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 48 
New Zealand National 48. 
Noes 71 
New Zealand Labour 50; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; United Future 3; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon David Carter to clause 76 be agreed to: 
to omit from subclause (1) the word “must” and substitute the word “may”.
Vote: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
Vote: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:628;Page:949] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 48 
New Zealand National 48. 
Noes 71 
New Zealand Labour 50; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; United Future 3; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon David Carter to clause 75 be agreed to: 
to omit from subclause (4) the words “2 or more” and substitute the words “3 or more”.
Vote: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
Vote: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:628;Page:949] 
A party vote  was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 48 
New Zealand National 48. 
Noes 71 
New Zealand Labour 50; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; United Future 3; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon David Carter to clause 75 be agreed to: 
to omit from paragraph (a) of subclause (2) the number “7” and substitute the number “5”.
Vote: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
Vote: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:628;Page:949] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 48 
New Zealand National 48. 
Noes 71 
New Zealand Labour 50; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; United Future 3; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon David Carter to clause 75 be agreed to: 
to omit from paragraph (a) of subclause (2) the number “7” and substitute the number “6”.
Vote: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
Vote: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:628;Page:948] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 48 
New Zealand National 48. 
Noes 71 
New Zealand Labour 50; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; United Future 3; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon David Carter to clause 75 be agreed to: 
to omit from subclause (2) the number “5” and substitute the number “7”.
Vote: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
Vote: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:628;Page:948] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 48 
New Zealand National 48. 
Noes 71 
New Zealand Labour 50; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; United Future 3; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon David Carter to clause 74 be agreed to: 
to omit from subclause (2) the number “1” after the word “and” and substitute the number “2”.
Vote: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
Vote: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:628;Page:948] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 48 
New Zealand National 48. 
Noes 71 
New Zealand Labour 50; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; United Future 3; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon David Carter to clause 74 be agreed to: 
to add to subclause (2) the words “and 1 of whom must be appointed as the deputy chairperson of the committee”.
Vote: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
Vote: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:628;Page:948] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 48 
New Zealand National 48. 
Noes 71 
New Zealand Labour 50; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; United Future 3; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon David Carter to clause 74 be agreed to: 
to add to subclause (2) the words “and 1 of whom must be appointed as the secretary of the committee”.
Vote: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
Vote: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:628;Page:947] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 48 
New Zealand National 48. 
Noes 71 
New Zealand Labour 50; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; United Future 3; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon David Carter to clause 72 be agreed to: 
to omit from subclause (1) the number “2” and substitute the number “5”.
Vote: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
Vote: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:628;Page:947] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 48 
New Zealand National 48. 
Noes 71 
New Zealand Labour 50; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; United Future 3; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon David Carter to clause 72 be agreed to: 
to omit from subclause (1) the number “2” and substitute the number “4”.
Vote: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
Vote: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:628;Page:947] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 48 
New Zealand National 48. 
Noes 71 
New Zealand Labour 50; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; United Future 3; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon David Carter to clause 72 be agreed to: 
to omit from subclause (1) the number “2” and substitute the number “3”.
Hughes Darren: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
Hughes Darren: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:628;Page:947] 
DARREN HUGHES (Junior Whip—Labour) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
. 
Motion agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon David Carter to clause 69 be agreed to: 
to omit paragraph (d) and substitute the following paragraph: 
(d) The person nominated by Massey University as a representative of their veterinary science academic programme.
Swain Paul: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
Swain Paul: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:628;Page:945] 
Hon PAUL SWAIN (Labour—Rimutaka) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Dean Jacqui: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
Dean Jacqui: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:628;Page:944] 
JACQUI DEAN (National—Otago) 
: 
 At this point in the debate as I stand up to address Part 4 “Veterinary Council of New Zealand” I think it is very important to reflect for just a moment on why this bill is so important to the members of the National Party. I think we just need to look at the map of the electoral seats as a result of the last election to note the large swathe of blue that provincial and rural New Zealand is now painted. We need only reflect on the number of electorate seats that have been returned to their rightful National home to realise that yes the concerns of rural and provincial New Zealand are very important to us as indeed is the Veterinarians Bill. 
It has been noted on the other side of the Chamber how keen and enthusiastic we on the National side are to debate this part of the bill and I want to take a moment now to thank my more senior colleagues for the time they have taken to come to provincial and rural New Zealand to support our campaigns. I want to thank Phil Heatley who came down to Otago to help me campaign in order to win back Otago to National so that farmers would be well represented in Otago. I want to thank Simon Power who took time out of his busy schedule to come down to Otago. I took him through Middlemarch in the middle of winter and we heard the concerns of farmers in Otago. We went through black ice but that did not deter us because we were very very concerned about the issues to do with farming in New Zealand. The issues are not just about pets for us in the National Party; they are also about farming. 
I return to Part 4 Veterinary Council of New Zealand. I note that clause 67 “Functions of Council” states: “The Council’s functions are—(a) to advise and make recommendations to the Minister on any matter relating to veterinarians and the practice of veterinary science:”. Clearly this part of the bill is of vital importance and interest to us on the National side of the House. I want to move to paragraph (g) of clause 67 in which the council’s function is: “to receive investigate and hear complaints about inquire into the conduct of make assessments of and discipline specified persons under Part 3:”. Now just returning to Part 3 very briefly I tell members that people have very strongly held affections not only for their vets but also for their farm animals. I think we in National have a very clear understanding of why this bill is so very important to us.
Henare Tau: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
Henare Tau: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:628;Page:943] 
Hon TAU HENARE (National) 
: 
 I want to bring to the attention of the Committee just how holier than thou the Minister seems to be. Never in his—how many years has the Minister been here 20 years? 
Hon Jim Anderton 
: Longer than you. 
Hon TAU HENARE 
: The Minister blurts out: “Longer than you.” Obviously any fool would know that. [ 
Interruption 
] Here we go bring it on! It will be 40 love in a minute I say to Mr Benson-Pope. He should keep his trap shut. [ 
Interruption 
] Absolutely! At least I am not a bully and at least I did not lie to the House. At least I did not make up stories and come down to the Chamber and tell— 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Order! 
Hon TAU HENARE 
: The Minister has the holier-than-thou attitude of a long-serving member of Parliament that says we are bringing the House into disrepute with our so-called tactics as if he has never been party to a good discussion on a long bill that is actually a very intense bill. He has never been party to any sort of tactic in the House. That is what happens when one becomes an angry old pensioner. 
The leader of New Zealand First is the other half of the angry pensioner duo. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I would like some semblance to the subject of the debate. 
Hon TAU HENARE 
: Is that right? I was just following what the last two Government speakers were on about. I am sorry that I have misread the situation. Clause 69(b) states: “(b) 2 laypersons appointed by the Minister by notice in the  
Gazette 
; …”. What it should really state is: “(b) 2 Labour Party cronies appointed by the Minister by notice in the  
Gazette 
; …”—and yes not only Ann Hercus as my learned colleague says. 
I hear that Jonathan Hunt is on his way back now. Do members know why? The reason is that the leader of New Zealand First will pick up the job as High Commissioner when he has done a bit of a stint as Minister of Foreign Affairs. Jonathan Hunt will come home then he will end up with the plum job on that council. 
But he is not the only one. What about John Goulter? He could be one of the laypersons who is appointed to the council. Or maybe it could be Ken Douglas another angry pensioner. He is not doing much these days. The Minister should put him on the council. I tell members that he would be the first red veterinary councillor they have ever seen. He would be good. But here is another one—another guy who does not do much for a living. In fact he makes his living off an appointment by the Labour Party. It is none other than the president himself Mike Williams. Mike Williams could be on this council. He is a good candidate. 
The Minister can sit there with a smug smile and a smug face and he can shake his head all that he wants to. But the holier-than-thou attitude is gone Mr Angry Pensioner.
Power Simon: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
Power Simon: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
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SIMON POWER (National—Rangitikei) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I presume that after a contribution like that we will be allowed a wide-ranging debate on the remaining part. After the Minister rose to— 
Hon Jim Anderton 
: They haven’t been already. 
SIMON POWER 
: It is totally contrary to Speakers’ rulings for a Minister in the chair to interject. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: The member is absolutely right but he invited it. 
SIMON POWER 
: No I did not. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I may have misheard but that is the way I understood it. The member spoke and the Minister responded. 
SIMON POWER 
: We now seek a ruling after having had a contribution from the Minister in which he referred to the bill I think once. Prior to that members on this side of the Chamber had been pulled back to the point of the bill by you on several occasions. I noticed that Dr Cullen in his contribution—which had very little to do with the bill—was not required to address the part in any serious way. I ask you now to advise the Committee on whether it is your intention to allow a wide-ranging discussion on the remaining part. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: No I will continue to run the Committee as I have done and I would say that people from both sides have strayed from the bill.
Anderton Jim: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
Anderton Jim: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:628;Page:942] 
Hon JIM ANDERTON (Minister of Agriculture) 
: 
 It is interesting to hear strident cries from National members about undemocratic process and appointments to committees of the council. I have just checked with the officials that the composition of the Veterinary Council is exactly the same as the composition set by the 1994 Act. Who was the 1994 Act passed by? 
Darren Hughes 
: The Labour Party? 
Hon JIM ANDERTON 
: Was it? I did not think Labour was in Government then so I do not think it was. No the National Government passed the Act but National members are now saying the Veterinary Council is a hopeless hotbed of socialist intrigue and undemocratic process—and it has not changed! It has not changed one scrap. I was thinking maybe I had missed something and that maybe it had changed. But this bit of the Act is exactly the same as the previous one. Furthermore it has been the same all the time the Primary Production Committee has been looking at the legislation. So if it is so bad now—and everyone has to examine this very closely—then what was the select committee doing? I thought that under the very capable chairmanship of David Carter everything was hunky-dory and going along swimmingly. So nothing changed in the 1994 Act. Everything was fine because National passed it but now on this night it all has to be filibustered as though there is a plot against democratic process as we know it. 
I do not think any self-respecting vet will be listening to the debate but if they are then I would like them to consider this: we are told that the National Party wants to help the veterinary profession and get this bill passed. The Government was criticised just a few hours ago—although it seems like days with the quality of the speeches—for holding the bill up; that it had to get in; that the vets were ready to celebrate and the champagne bottles were going to be opened. Yet here we are hours later arguing footling amendments ridiculously trivial rubbish that the so-called famous chairman of the select committee all on his own behalf changes the number and all the rest of it. There have been hours and hours of delay. 
I treat with complete derision what is going on here. The National Party may think it is funny or smart. I think it derides and undermines the reputation of the House and I treat that behaviour with contempt. If those members carry on like that then there is nothing in what they are doing that will advance the sum of knowledge in the veterinary profession by one millimetre. But they should go on doing it if they think that is the way to gain their reputation outside this Parliament. They should go ahead and make our day.
Cullen Michael: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
Cullen Michael: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:628;Page:940] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Minister of Finance) 
: 
 We have been waiting now for 5 weeks to find out what it was that the Exclusive Brethren paid for. What was it that they were buying from the National Party with all that investment? What was the deep issue that the Labour Government was proposing that had the Exclusive Brethren so up in arms that many of them actually voted in this election for the first time in their lives according to our check on the electoral rolls? What is in this bill that has the Opposition members talking? Having told us that they would take only one call on each bill after—which one was it? 
Darren Hughes 
: After the ports bill. 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN 
: They said they would take only one call on each bill after the ports bill but suddenly the entire C-team of the National caucus has come into full flight in the Chamber. What has caused that? The Veterinarians Bill. Why would the National Party caucus be so excited about the Veterinarians Bill? We get excited about bills about humans but they get excited about bills about animals. I can think why that would be but probably the Standing Orders would prevent me from saying so. It is animals that get the people opposite so excited; humans they pass over. They have had so many opportunities today to talk about other things but they have chosen to talk about this. 
Mr Heatley had one main point. It was that we have not had under this left-wing socialist tax-grabbing Government a single report from the Veterinary Council as provided for in the Veterinarians Bill. Well no we will not have any reports until we pass the bill. Then the council will have to produce an annual report and table it. It is appallingly true that until an Act is passed requiring people to table an annual report they do not have to table it. But of course if we had given the veterinarians a tax cut they would table an annual report all by themselves without being required to by the Government! So I thank the Opposition for doing our job for us. Carry on—we are watching the clock tick away. We are just baffled by what their tactics are at this point in the evening.
Robertson H V Ross: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
Robertson H V Ross: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:628;Page:938] 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: This includes debate on schedule 1.
Vote: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
Vote: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:628;Page:938] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 48 
New Zealand National 48. 
Noes 71 
New Zealand Labour 50; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; United Future 3; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 8 in the name of Hon Jim Anderton to new Part 3A be agreed to.
Vote: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
Vote: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:628;Page:938] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment to the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 48 
New Zealand National 48. 
Noes 71 
New Zealand Labour 50; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; United Future 3; Progressive 1. 
Amendment to the amendment not agreed to.  
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Hon David Carter to clause 56(2) be agreed to: 
to omit from paragraph (b) of subclause (2) the words “20 working days” and substitute the words “25 working days”.
Vote: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
Vote: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:628;Page:937] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment to the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 48 
New Zealand National 48. 
Noes 71 
New Zealand Labour 50; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; United Future 3; Progressive 1. 
Amendment to the amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon David Carter to proposed new Part 3A set out on Supplementary Order Paper 8 in the name of the Hon Jim Anderton be agreed to: 
to insert in subclause (3)(j) of proposed new clause 55A the words “or tests” after the word “examinations” and before the word “or”.
Vote: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
Vote: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:628;Page:937] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment to the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 48 
New Zealand National 48. 
Noes 71 
New Zealand Labour 50; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; United Future 3; Progressive 1. 
Amendment to the amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon David Carter to proposed new Part 3A set out on Supplementary Order Paper 8 in the name of the Hon Jim Anderton be agreed to: 
to omit from subclause (3) of proposed new clause 55A the number “1” after the word “of” and before the word “or” and substitute the number “4”.
Vote: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
Vote: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:628;Page:937] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment to the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 48 
New Zealand National 48. 
Noes 71 
New Zealand Labour 50; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; United Future 3; Progressive 1. 
Amendment to the amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon David Carter to proposed new Part 3A set out on Supplementary Order Paper 8 in the name of the Hon Jim Anderton be agreed to: 
to omit from subclause (3) of proposed new section 55A the number “1” after the word “of” and before the word “or” and clause the number “3”.
Vote: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
Vote: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:628;Page:936] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 71 
New Zealand Labour 50; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; Maori Party 4; United Future 3; Progressive 1. 
Noes 48 
New Zealand National 48. 
Motion agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon David Carter to proposed new Part 3A set out on Supplementary Order Paper 8 in the name of the Hon Jim Anderton be agreed to: 
to omit from subclause (3) of proposed new clause 55A the number “1” after the word “of” and before the word “or” and substitute the number “2”.
Jones Shane: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
Jones Shane: Veterinarians Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:628;Page:936] 
SHANE JONES (Labour) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.