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Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:644;Page:13564] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand National 48; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Independents: Copeland Field. 
Noes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; United Future 2; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Tony Ryall to clause 32(3) be agreed to: 
to omit the words “financial agent” and substitute the word “candidate”.
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:644;Page:13563] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand National 48; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Independents: Copeland Field. 
Noes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; United Future 2; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Tony Ryall to clause 32(1) be agreed to: 
to omit the words “financial agent” and substitute the word “candidate”.
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:644;Page:13563] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand National 48; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Independents: Copeland Field. 
Noes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; United Future 2; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Tony Ryall to clause 31(2) be agreed to: 
to omit the words “financial agent” and substitute the word “candidate”.
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:644;Page:13563] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand National 48; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Independents: Copeland Field. 
Noes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; United Future 2; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Tony Ryall to clause 31(1) be agreed to: 
to omit the words “financial agent” and substitute the word “candidate”.
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:644;Page:13563] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand National 48; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Independents: Copeland Field. 
Noes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; United Future 2; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Tony Ryall to clause 30 be agreed to: 
to omit the words “financial agent” and substitute the word “candidate”.
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:644;Page:13562] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand National 48; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Independents: Copeland Field. 
Noes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; United Future 2; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Tony Ryall to clause 29(4) be agreed to: 
to omit the words “the financial agent and”.
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:644;Page:13562] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand National 48; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Independents: Copeland Field. 
Noes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; United Future 2; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Tony Ryall to clause 29(1) be agreed to: 
to omit the words “A financial agent of”.
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:644;Page:13562] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand National 48; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Independents: Copeland Field. 
Noes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; United Future 2; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Tony Ryall to clause 28H(2)(b) be agreed to: 
to omit the number “3”.
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:644;Page:13561] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand National 48; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Independents: Copeland Field. 
Noes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; United Future 2; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Tony Ryall to clause 28H(2)(b) be agreed to: 
to omit the word “quarterly” and substitute the word “monthly”.
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:644;Page:13561] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand National 48; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Independents: Copeland Field. 
Noes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; United Future 2; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Tony Ryall to clause 28H(1)(d) be agreed to: 
to omit the words “to the Crown bank account”.
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:644;Page:13561] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand National 48; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Independents: Copeland Field. 
Noes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; United Future 2; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Tony Ryall to clause 28G(3)(a) be agreed to: 
to omit all the words after (a) and substitute the words “the Chief Executive of the Electoral Commission”.
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:644;Page:13561] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand National 48; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Independents: Copeland Field. 
Noes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; United Future 2; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Tony Ryall to clause 28F(2) be agreed to: 
to omit paragraph (c) and substitute the following new paragraph: 
(c)any sum paid by the Electoral Commission under 28E(2)(b) or 28E(3)(b).
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:644;Page:13560] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand National 48; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Independents: Copeland Field. 
Noes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; United Future 2; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Tony Ryall to clause 28E(3)(b) be agreed to: 
to omit the words “Crown bank account” and substitute the words “Plunket Society bank account”.
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:644;Page:13560] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand National 48; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Independents: Copeland Field. 
Noes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; United Future 2; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Tony Ryall to clause 28E(2)(b) be agreed to: 
to omit the words “Crown bank account” and substitute the words “Plunket Society bank account”.
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:644;Page:13560] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand National 48; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Independents: Copeland Field. 
Noes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; United Future 2; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Tony Ryall to clause 28D be agreed to: 
to add the following new paragraph: 
(c)publish in major newspapers and the  
NZ Gazette 
 that information covered in 28D(a).
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:644;Page:13559] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand National 48; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Independents: Copeland Field. 
Noes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; United Future 2; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 166 in the name of Christopher Finlayson to Subpart 1A be agreed to.
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:644;Page:13559] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand National 48; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Independents: Copeland Field. 
Noes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; United Future 2; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Tony Ryall to clause 25C(2) be agreed to: 
to omit the number “20” and substitute the number “21”.
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:644;Page:13559] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand National 48; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Independents: Copeland Field. 
Noes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; United Future 2; Progressive 1. 
Agreement not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Tony Ryall to clause 25C(1) be agreed to: 
to add the following new paragraph: 
(d)an individual making a donation comprising a whole or in parts funds contributed by 1 or more persons who are not New Zealand citizens or registered as an elector.
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:644;Page:13559] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand National 48; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Independents: Copeland Field. 
Noes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; United Future 2; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 166 in the name of Christopher Finlayson to clause 25C(1)(a) be agreed to:
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:644;Page:13558] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand National 48; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Independents: Copeland Field. 
Noes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; United Future 2; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 166 in the name of Christopher Finlayson to clause 25C to omit “the amount of the donation or its value” in each place where it occurs and substitute the words “the value of the donation” be agreed to.
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:644;Page:13558] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand National 48; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Independents: Copeland Field. 
Noes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; United Future 2; Progressive 1. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand National 48; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Independents: Copeland Field. 
Noes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; United Future 2; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to.Agreement not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Tony Ryall to clause 25A(2) be agreed to: 
to omit the number “20” and substitute the number “21”. 
A party vote was called for on the question That the amendment be agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Tony Ryall to clause 25A(3) be agreed to: 
to omit the number “20” and substitute the number “21”.
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:644;Page:13557] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand National 48; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Independents: Copeland Field. 
Noes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; United Future 2; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 166 in the name of Christopher Finlayson to clause 25A(2) be agreed to:
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:644;Page:13557] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand National 48; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Independents: Copeland Field. 
Noes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; United Future 2; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Tony Ryall to clause 25A(1) be agreed to: 
to omit the number “20” and substitute the number “21”.
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:644;Page:13557] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand National 48; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Independents: Copeland Field. 
Noes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; United Future 2; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 166 in the name of Christopher Finlayson to clause 25A to omit “the amount of the donation or its value” in each place where it occurs and substitute “the value of the donation” be agreed to.
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:644;Page:13557] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand National 48; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Independents: Copeland Field. 
Noes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; United Future 2; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Tony Ryall to clause 23(3) be agreed to: 
to omit the number “10” and substitute the number “11”.
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:644;Page:13556] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand National 48; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Independents: Copeland Field. 
Noes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; United Future 2; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Tony Ryall to clause 23(2) be agreed to: 
to omit the number “10” and substitute the number “11”.
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:644;Page:13556] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand National 48; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Independents: Copeland Field. 
Noes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; United Future 2; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Tony Ryall to clause 23(1) be agreed to: 
to omit the number “10” and substitute the number “11”.
Brownlee Gerry: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Brownlee Gerry: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:644;Page:13556] 
GERRY BROWNLEE (National—Ilam) 
: 
 Is there a Standing Order that states that the party vote has to follow the voice vote. Oh is there not? 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: We are taking the voice vote again Mr Brownlee. Just to clarify the amendment for everyone we will read it out again. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 166 in the name of Christopher Finlayson to clause 22 be agreed to. 
Amendment agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Tony Ryall to clause 22A(1) be agreed to: 
to omit from paragraph (c) the amount “$5000” and substitute the amount “$5001”.
King Annette: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
King Annette: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:644;Page:13556] 
Hon ANNETTE KING (Minister of Justice) 
: 
 This is an amendment that the Government has agreed to support. It is one of Christopher Finlayson’s amendments. There was a voice call on our side where the person may not have understood that we are supporting this amendment and we will be voting for it.
Brownlee Gerry: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Brownlee Gerry: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:644;Page:13555] 
GERRY BROWNLEE (National—Ilam) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Chairperson. There is slight confusion here. You put the vote and there was a voice call. There was a call in favour and there was a call opposed. It appears now that some of those opposing may have changed their vote.
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:644;Page:13555] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand National 48; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Independent: Copeland; Independent: Field. 
Noes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; United Future 2; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: The next amendment is to clause 22 in the name of Christopher Finlayson on Supplementary Order Paper 166. All those in favour please say “Aye” to the contrary “No”. The “Noes” have it. A party vote called for? The Clerk will conduct a party vote.
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:644;Page:13555] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; United Future 2; Progressive 1. 
Noes 56 
New Zealand National 48; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Independents: Copeland Field. 
Motion agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 166 in the name of Christopher Finlayson to Part 2 to omit “third party” in each place where it appears and substitute “interest group” be agreed to.
Wilson Margaret: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Wilson Margaret: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:644;Page:13555] 
Madam SPEAKER 
: I find it an extraordinary suggestion that members of Parliament because they have been involved in a select committee should not therefore participate in the debate. 
Christopher Finlayson 
: Madam Speaker— 
Madam SPEAKER 
: I have made my ruling. The member should just reflect on that and how it would actually be used in the future if what he suggests should apply. All members in this House are equal.
Finlayson Christopher: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Finlayson Christopher: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:644;Page:13555] 
CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON 
: It is very fresh. I make this point of order carefully and with respect to the Chair. I was the deputy chair of the Justice and Electoral Committee throughout the consideration of this bill. The Chair herself was a very active member of the committee and indeed was very active when dealing with Part 2. Given that this is a procedural motion that is very closely tied to Part 2 I wonder whether it would be a counsel of wisdom for that particular Chair to recuse herself when dealing with procedural motions like this.
Finlayson Christopher: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Finlayson Christopher: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:644;Page:13554] 
CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON (National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: It has to be a fresh point of order.
Wilson Margaret: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Wilson Margaret: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:644;Page:13554] 
Madam SPEAKER 
: I thank members. We have heard several comments from those who have called for and supported the recalling of the Speaker. I respect what members are saying in terms of the importance of this matter. However as members do know it is a tradition in this House—an extraordinarily important one—that when the House is in Committee it is Speaker’s ruling 60/7 that guides us in these matters unless there are extraordinary circumstances when it should not. 
The Chairperson has to be—and always is whoever it is—the sole judge of whether the closure should be accepted. I have heard comments from all sides. There has been considerable debate. I have also watched the debate in terms of what is happening but my judgment in that sense does not matter; I follow the Speaker’s ruling. The Chairperson is obviously the person who is responsible for listening to the debate and is therefore in the best position to be able to judge it. It is not for the Speaker to second-guess that. Of course it is a matter for the House. Proportionality has also been mentioned by Mr Brownlee and that is an important matter. That comes into play when if the Committee of the whole House does not agree with the decision then when it is voted upon it does not vote for the closure. That is the will of the House and it is the will of the House that must prevail in these circumstances also.
Hayes John: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Hayes John: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:644;Page:13554] 
JOHN HAYES (National—Wairarapa) 
: 
 I would like to refer you to Speaker’s ruling 60/8 and particularly to the last sentence which I shall read out: “The Chair also has regard to questions of relevance and repetition.” I was in the Chamber last evening and this afternoon. The speeches have been relevant and there has been no repetition. A number of us have been in the Chamber all this time but we have been unable to speak so I would be very grateful if you would reconsider the Chair’s decision.
Roy Eric: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Roy Eric: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:644;Page:13554] 
ERIC ROY (National—Invercargill) 
: 
 I draw your attention Madam Speaker to Speakers’ ruling 60/7 a Speakers’ ruling of some longstanding—Statham 1931. Initially the ruling states that “The [chairperson] is the sole judge …” but the last sentence states: “I can only express the hope that it will not be applied too harshly.” 
Part 2 is the most substantial part in the bill. It has over 120 clauses. There are a significant number of amendments and in the view of the Opposition it would indeed be a harsh call if this closure motion were to be taken when only about 14 Opposition members have had a chance to participate. As Mr Brownlee has set out there is very structured debate from our side. We have very clearly allocated clauses to individual people so there will be significant omissions in the debate if the closure is to be taken at this point.
Moroney Sue: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Moroney Sue: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:644;Page:13554] 
SUE MORONEY (Junior Whip—Labour) 
: 
 We have had some 150 minutes of debate on this particular part. There have been 27 calls in total 16 of which have come from the National Party. We feel that those members have had ample opportunity to traverse and canvass all of the issues on Part 2 that they have raised. I point out that only five of those calls have been taken by Labour members. In fact since 4.30 just two of those calls have been Labour calls. So ample opportunity has been given to the Opposition to raise its issues on Part 2 of the Electoral Finance Bill.
Finlayson Christopher: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Finlayson Christopher: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:644;Page:13554] 
CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON (National) 
: 
 I want to made a brief comment about what the Minister said about my Subpart 2B which she said could have been debated in the context of Part 2. What she has in fact done is pick up a little bit of my Supplementary Order Paper dealing with indexation and include it in the bill as Subpart 9. So that is Subpart 9 of Part 2. That does not deal with many other matters and it is a separate part yet to be debated.
Woolerton R Doug: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Woolerton R Doug: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:644;Page:13553] 
R DOUG WOOLERTON (NZ First) 
: 
 We began on this part last evening and we have spent all of the time available today up until now on this part. As far as we in New Zealand First are concerned the issues have been fully traversed. We know full well that the National Party is not happy with this bill—and has never been happy with it—and that it has gone to extraordinary lengths out in public with street marches and other things to get rid of this bill. Now National is resorting to trying to filibuster in order to stop the bill’s progress. We in New Zealand First do not think that that is right and we think that the motion should be put.
Brownlee Gerry: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Brownlee Gerry: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:644;Page:13553] 
GERRY BROWNLEE (National—Ilam) 
: 
 The Committee really has been put in a position—and it has now had this clearly demonstrated—where it can spend time either debating the substance of the bill or voting on trivia about the bill. I think that to do the latter would be unfortunate. But given the way that the part was so unfairly concluded last evening I think it is only reasonable that a demonstration was given of the opportunities that do exist to make a nonsense of the process. We are not happy with the process of this bill; there is no question about that. We do not want to make that process look even worse by the way the House conducts it. We would appreciate there being some more time to debate this particular part.
King Annette: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
King Annette: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:644;Page:13553] 
Hon ANNETTE KING (Minister of Justice) 
: 
 It appears to me that the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing. I just heard Mr Brownlee say that we need to continue this debate because the National Party put up one Supplementary Order Paper— 
Gerry Brownlee 
: Last night. 
Hon ANNETTE KING 
: —last night. The member has obviously not been informed that over the tea break Tony Ryall dropped a large number of amendments on the Committee. That is not in line with what the member said at all. He dropped them on the Committee in an endeavour to have a filibuster and to delay the proceedings of this House which is something that his leader and deputy leader said he would not do. I also need to say that I took the word of the junior National whip who spoke to us at the tea break. He said that there was no intention to filibuster but that he had a few more speakers. He obviously was not aware that Tony Ryall was going to spend his tea break writing amendments. 
There is not one Supplementary Order Paper as the member said. I have moved an amendment tonight in my name based on the amendment from the National member Christopher Finlayson. It has been available in this House under his amendment and nowhere did I say that I expected long debate on it. I read what was in it and people have been able to debate that part of Christopher Finlayson’s amendment right through this debate on Part 2 if they wished to do so.
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Brownlee Gerry: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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GERRY BROWNLEE (National—Ilam) 
: 
 It is interesting that the number 27 comes up because that is how many amendments the National Party is moving on this particular part. I make the point that a number of those amendments are being agreed to by the Government. 
National has taken the time on this bill to produce a single Supplementary Order Paper in order that the House might expedite its business in a reasonable manner and so that no surprises would be dropped on the Table at various times. Our hope was that that approach would be respected during the progress of this debate and that the opportunity to speak would be given to all of the members on our side of the Chamber who had prepared speeches on each of those amendments. Apparently there was some sort of misunderstanding last evening that led to a bit of a change in that tactic today. But I do not think it is particularly useful that we go down that track too much further because this is far too important a bill. 
So here we have a situation where at about 7.35 this evening—some 15 minutes ago—the Minister stood in the Chamber to announce the introduction of new Subpart 9 a whole new part. The Minister in her announcement that there would be an extra subpart dropped into the bill said there would be plenty of time for all parties to debate the matter. Ten minutes later after the Minister’s own speech and one speech from this side of the Chamber there was a closure motion that looked as though it was about to be accepted. 
All we are imploring of you Madam Speaker is the opportunity for the people on our side of the Chamber who have taken these amendments clause by clause and prepared the arguments in favour of them to be able to present those arguments to the Committee. I would also say that if there were to be a look at the proportional arrangement for the contributions on this very important bill then it would be seen that we are certainly being sold well short in proceedings to date. I ask Madam Speaker that you consider whether there might be a little more time devoted to this particular part in order that the House might deal with the entire bill in a seemly manner.
Hartley Ann: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Hartley Ann: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: Madam Speaker you have been recalled to rule on whether the question should be put. There have been speeches and points of order against putting the question after 27 speeches which I consider have covered the debate on Part 2.
Brownlee Gerry: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Brownlee Gerry: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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GERRY BROWNLEE (National—Ilam) 
: 
 I would not dare to relitigate it with you Madam Chairperson. I move  
That the Speaker be recalled. 
Motion agreed to. 
House resumed.
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Brownlee Gerry: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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GERRY BROWNLEE (National—Ilam) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Chairperson. I recognise that you are of a mind to consider that this debate should be concluded but I make the point to you that the National Party has prepared a large number of amendments to this particular part. I can tell you Madam Chairperson that we have proposed numerous amendments that have not yet been spoken on. You will know Madam Chairperson how the form is with these things. Parties can choose to put up frivolous amendments that see us voting for hours and hours but that has not happened in this debate. We have put up genuine amendments— 
Hon Annette King 
: Ha ha! 
GERRY BROWNLEE 
: The Minister in the chair may laugh—by and large that is what her party is doing to the whole of the New Zealand public with this bill anyway—but the reality is that the Government is picking up some of the amendments that have been moved. The Minister has mentioned that this evening. 
A number of our people have prepared contributions on each of the amendments. We are not seeking an opportunity to speak just for the sake of it. I do not think it would be at all reasonable for anyone to accuse any of our speakers to date of having made speeches of a general nature. They have confined themselves to particular clauses. 
I know that Mr Tisch wishes to speak particularly on a matter brought up by the Institute of Chartered Accountants of New Zealand and I think that the points the institute wanted to make should be aired in the Committee. There is an amendment that would give effect to some of the recommendations the institute made and perhaps as with many of the other amendments the Government may be moved to support it. 
Although it may be the desire of some in the Committee to see the debate closed down I would argue strongly that the comments in the debate so far have been of a very specific nature on each occasion. We have made an effort to make sure that this debate is not seen as frivolous. It seems to me to be entirely unparliamentary to shut down this debate after such a short period of time. We have heard— 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: I have heard the member; thank you very much. I think you have made your points quite clearly. We have had 27 speeches and there have certainly been a lot of speeches covering the whole spectrum of this part. I am now going to put the closure. 
Sandra Goudie 
: Point of order— 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: Is the point of order on this matter? I have made my decision on it. 
Sandra Goudie 
: It is following Gerry Brownlee’s point of order. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: I am sorry but I have made the decision. 
Gerry Brownlee 
: Point of order— 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: Please be seated. Can I just make the point that I have heard your point of order and I have made my decision. If it is on the same point—
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Fenton Darien: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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DARIEN FENTON (Labour) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
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Jones Shane: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Hon SHANE JONES (Minister for Building and Construction) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Pillay Lynne: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Pillay Lynne: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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LYNNE PILLAY (Labour—Waitakere) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
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Chauvel Charles: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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CHARLES CHAUVEL (Labour) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
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Guy Nathan: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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NATHAN GUY (Junior Whip—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Chairperson. The Minister in the chair Annette King was interjecting during my colleague’s very good speech. I would ask you to remind the Minister that when she is sitting in that chair it is my understanding that she cannot interject. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: The member is quite right and I had not realised it was so overt.
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Hide Rodney: General Debate 
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RODNEY HIDE (Leader—ACT) 
: 
 I seek leave for Nicky Wagner to have a 30-second extension of time. Because she said “And here we hit the nub” I was gripped Mr Assistant Speaker. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Mr Hide you have been here a long time and you know you cannot seek leave for someone else. You are being naughty.
Cullen Michael: General Debate 
Cullen Michael: General Debate 
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Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Deputy Prime Minister) 
: 
 Yesterday I was out of the House when the Leader of the Opposition dragged my wife into the debate. That is a complete breach of every convention in this House. It was the action of a person whom I described by interjection as a scumbag and if I am required to apologise I will do so. But when the member today compounds that by then referring to the Prime Minister in that way that is unforgivable and members opposite will get retaliation for that kind of behaviour. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Thank you. By and large these things happen through frustration and that is understood but often they are out of order in being personal reflections. I refer members to Standing Order 116 and Speakers’ rulings 26/6 and 26/7. It can lead to disorder.
Brownlee Gerry: General Debate 
Brownlee Gerry: General Debate 
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GERRY BROWNLEE (National—Ilam) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. Firstly we accept the comments made by the Hon Darren Hughes and we understand why he has made them. But I would also suggest—[ 
Interruption 
] Well he has; he felt aggrieved. You should also be aware Mr Assistant Speaker that although the Labour members got a bit wound up because of the close-to-the-bone and I think issues-focused speech from John Key there was through that time a barrage coming towards him from the Deputy Prime Minister during which a number of unparliamentary things were said. I think that if we are to be looking at any sort of pointing the finger here then people need to understand that this is a robust House. There will be debate. If there was misunderstanding over the comments made by Mr Key because of a misreporting about Mr Hughes then I do not think that that really was sufficient to justify the sorts of comments that the Deputy Prime Minister was making about Mr Key.
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Hughes Darren: General Debate 
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Hon DARREN HUGHES (Deputy Leader of the House) 
: 
 I am speaking to the point of order raised by Mr Key. I have never described myself in that way; it was written about me by a journalist. Members opposite have lots of things written about them that I am sure they do not take ownership of. They have quite a few embarrassing things particularly in the case of the member who raised the point of order. But to assert that I said that about myself is not correct. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I would just say that all members in this House are honourable members. Their word is their bond. [ 
Interruption 
] There is a point of order on the floor.
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Key John: General Debate 
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JOHN KEY (Leader of the Opposition) 
: 
 I think it is a bit rich for the Deputy Prime Minister to make that statement when the statement I mentioned was the statement that Mr Hughes had used to describe himself in the  
Independent 
. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I thank the member. It is a debatable issue. [ 
Interruption 
] There is a point of order on the floor. It will be heard in silence.
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Cullen Michael: General Debate 
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Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Deputy Prime Minister) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I waited until the end of that speech but this is the second day in a row that that member has dragged the personal lives relatives or characteristics of members on this side into the debate. He did it yesterday with my wife against all conventions in this House and today he did it again in relation to the Prime Minister. I think he needs to be reminded that there are limits on those matters or that will come back on members opposite and many of them are exposed in that respect.
Wilson Margaret: Urgent Debates Declined — Capital and Coast District Health Board—State of Health Services 
Wilson Margaret: Urgent Debates Declined — Capital and Coast District Health Board—State of Health Services 
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Madam SPEAKER 
: I have received a letter from Heather Roy seeking to debate under Standing Order 380 the state of health services at the Capital and Coast District Health Board. In her letter the member refers to the resignation of the chief executive and information regarding events that have occurred. The chief executive’s resignation has been signalled for some time and the outcome of these reported events is unclear. No decisions have yet been made. This is not a particular case of recent occurrence and cannot give grounds to a debate. Furthermore as I said yesterday there are other opportunities to consider the performance of district health boards. The financial review of the Capital and Coast District Health Board is currently before the Health Committee and there is a general debate today. The application is declined.
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Heatley Phil: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
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4.  
PHIL HEATLEY (National—Whangarei) 
 to the  
Chairperson of the Commerce Committee 
: What progress has been made on the committee’s inquiry into housing affordability in New Zealand? 
GERRY BROWNLEE (Chairperson of the Commerce Committee) 
: 
 The committee has made good progress with this inquiry having heard from 41 submitters between May and November with another nine or more to be heard towards the end of this year and going into next year. There has been general acknowledgment amongst submitters that two main factors are influencing housing costs. The first is the escalating value of land and the second is the cost and time spent working through the Resource Management Act and Building Act hurdles in order to build on that land. It further points to two main factors preventing young people from buying houses in such a costly environment—those are relatively low take-home pay and interest rates that are now the highest in the Western World. 
Phil Heatley 
: Has the committee received any Government reports confirming the general observation of submitters that land costs and regulatory costs are driving up house prices? 
GERRY BROWNLEE 
: The committee has received a report entitled  
Housing Supply in the Auckland Region 2000-2005. 
 It was prepared for the Housing New Zealand Corporation and the Department of Building and Housing and states: “A number of factors have constrained supply. One of these has been a limited supply of land. Another contributor has been difficulties in the consent process especially its time consuming nature; … The RMA process”—the Government’s own report says—“needs to be revamped …”. However I have not seen any Government reports stating the Government will address land supply issues compliance or consent costs help get interest rates under control or for that matter improve take-home pay for young New Zealanders.
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Coleman Jonathan: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
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3.  
Dr JONATHAN COLEMAN (National—Northcote) 
 to the  
Chairperson of the Health Committee 
: Has the committee been briefed by the Capital and Coast District Health Board on what steps it is taking with regard to child cancer services in Wellington; if so when is the committee expected to report to the House? 
SUE KEDGLEY (Chairperson of the Health Committee): 
 Yes the Health Committee has been briefed by the Capital and Coast District Health Board and I am hopeful that the committee will be able to report to the House as soon as possible and in the very near future but obviously as the member well knows that is a matter for the committee to decide. 
Dr Jonathan Coleman 
: Does the committee intend to call any other witnesses for this inquiry and will the parents of child cancer patients have the chance to appear before the committee to tell their stories about their experiences at the Capital and Coast District Health Board? 
SUE KEDGLEY 
: As the member well knows I cannot reveal what the committee is doing before it has deliberated upon the matter so I cannot answer the question as to whether we will be calling further evidence at this stage.