Goldsmith PaulHon PAUL GOLDSMITH (National): Mr Speaker—Mr Chair?CHAIRPERSON (Ian McKelvie): Mr Chair.Hon PAUL GOLDSMITH: Why is the Chair in a different spot than the Chair usually is? Oh no sorry—CHAIRPERSON (Ian McKelvie): I'd remind the member he's a couple of years out of date.Hon PAUL GOLDSMITH: Thank you Mr Chair. I want to refer to the issue around elements supporting the reform of vocational education simplifying qualifications and credentials. I suppose the issue there is it's in the context of what we in this House would regard as a slow-moving train wreck of the reform of vocational education where what we had was a very effective set of polytechs around the country some of them being in financial distress and others of them doing extremely well and serving their community very well. This Government's impulse towards centralisation meant that their answer to every problem is to nationalise everything and have one rule for all and to lump everything into one organisation. Then two years on and hundreds of millions of dollars later we have a combined institution with a deficit larger than ever before—$110 million so far probably much worse—and then what we have here in relation to proposed legislative changes around simplifying qualifications and setting up microcredentials. I remember when I was tertiary Minister five or six years ago we were talking about microcredentials. I'm glad we've finally made some progress five years on. But the point is: the whole experience of this national institution is that it has been very ineffective at listening to the people that it's supposed to serve. If we take for example the nurses the nurses have given up and withdrawn their—well the nurses whom the Minister of Health refers to as speaking with a forked tongue who are being disrespected by this Government from pillar to post. These same nurses have had to deal with the situation that the proposed curriculum hadn't listened to the nurses had disrespected them and this institution has backed down. So we have yet more legislation coming into the House to fix this ongoing slow-moving train wreck which is the national polytech situation and I'd like to have some reassurance from the Minister that he'll do a better job as a result of this legislation to listen to the communities that are being served.I suppose what makes that relevant for people listening into this debate is that the polytechs were the first of the great nationalising expeditions of this Government. We also of course have three waters following next and the health reforms following it as well. We've seen so far complete calamity in the first in regard to polytechs and worse outcomes and worse financial outcomes and less listening to the local communities who are best placed to know what they want and what they had and what they would like to continue to have and more dictates from Wellington about you know This is what you will have." which is how this Government operates. So it would be nice to hear from the Minister to give us some reassurance that these qualifications that are talked about in Part 1 of this bill will have some relationship to what the local communities want and need and how on earth this great clunking nationalistic bureaucracy that he's created for the polytechs will be able to respond in a way that is appropriate."