Scott AlastairALASTAIR SCOTT (National—Wairarapa): Thank you Madam Chair. It is a pleasure to be speaking on the Estimates in the primary sector part of the debate. Minister O'Connor I'd like to correct you I think when I say that Julian Raine while she's a dairy farmer she is not the dairy rep. There is no dairy representative. She is actually there as the chairman of Horticulture New Zealand. So I back up what Tim van de Molen said—that there is no dairy representative on the council.The second point I'd like to make is to quote back Kiritapu Allan's words—and I hope I get this right Ms Allan—when she said What's good for the primary sector is good for the regions and what is good for the regions is good for New Zealand." I could not agree with her more and I invite her to come over and support the regions support the primary sector and come and sit on this side of the Chamber because that is what we do here. That is what we do here. Unfortunately Ms Allan your policies on that side of the Chamber do not support the primary sector and they do not support the regions. We've already traversed water storage. We've talked about bringing agriculture into the emissions trading scheme and I could talk about regional fuel tax and so on. So don't tell me that the Government supports regional New Zealand. You cannot tell me that the Government supports primary sector production.Kieran McAnulty: Yes we do.ALASTAIR SCOTT: Well you can say it all you like but it doesn't make it true Mr McAnulty.So I turn to forestry and much can be said about the Minister of Forestry. He talks a big story but has delivered virtually nothing—nothing whatsoever. He might look good in a high-vis vest but delivery is the problem. And I'd like to get into the select committee report if I can when we talked about 1 billion trees in 10 years—1 billion trees. Well half of them will already be planted through the replantation of existing forests without any interruption or interference or support from any Government. So we're only talking half a billion trees.There's some good things that planting trees will achieve: "provide climate benefits and help the Government meet its carbon obligations."—that was mentioned—and "increase employment in rural areas in growing rural economies". But I ask the question: how? How is the Government going to do that? It also talks about reducing alpine and coastal erosion through soil consolidation and catchment. But how is that going to be implemented? What are the real underlying actions that are going to deliver these goals and objectives? And of course there is increasing the economic return on land. Well very laudable goals and aspirations but there's nothing in here that tells me how the Government is going to do it.There are three problems that the Government faces in forestry: we don't know where the seedlings are going to come from; we don't know what land is available—where is the land that all these trees are going to be planted on; and most importantly who is going to be planting these trees? I ask the Minister if he can help me out here. Are we going to loosen up immigration policy to allow trees to be planted? Are we going to loosen up immigration? And it's not just forestry in the primary sector as he knows; we're short of people in the dairy sector to milk the cows. We're short of people in the beehive industry. We're short of truck drivers. Can you believe it? We are short of truck drivers. I had a guy in the office the other day pleading "Can we loosen up immigration because we need people in the regions. We need the work to be done." So Minister please advocate and talk with your colleagues—and particularly Mr Lees-Galloway—to suggest that there is work to be done in the regions and we need to support the regions by allowing people to come in to work. I tell you what: the nephews aren't going to do it. The nephews aren't going to cut the mustard. The big problem in the forestry sector is the failing of drug tests.Hon Tracey Martin: Oh for goodness' sake!ALASTAIR SCOTT: It's a fact. Go out and ask the foresters Ms Martin. Ask what their main problem is. It is finding clean workers—clean workers. So I invite the Minister to come with me to the forestry sector and talk to the people who find it difficult to find appropriately clean workers in the sector. It is a real problem and there should be no tolerance. There should be zero tolerance and that is the standard that the forestry sector I'm sure will keep and maintain."