Genter Julie AnneHon JULIE ANNE GENTER (Green—Rongotai): Tēnā koe Mr Chair tēnā koutou e te Whare. I had a question for the Minister directly related to his previous contribution I think which was he mentioned that all the experts were saying that this new legislation was going to be more costly or create more problems than the previous Resource Management Act (RMA) and I was just wondering if he could cite all of the experts he's referring to or any of the experts he's referring to. It'd be interesting to know which experts the Government is listening to and to have a good sense of how many experts are of this view. I found it interesting that the comments on the amount of time it takes to consent a wind farm—we're referring to a specific example from 2000 to 2008. So now we're talking nearly 20 years ago and that was under the RMA. So of course not under the legislation that's being repealed today but rather under the legislation that we're now going back to and we're going to have to take a whole—I would presume the Government's going to have to take a lot more time to come up with the work that's going to enable renewable electricity to be consented at a faster rate.My second question for the Minister relates to the Spatial Planning Act and whether the Minister sees any use in having spatial planning to inform the overall approach to infrastructure and land use or whether that's something that the Government is completely rejecting and won't be making use of. Interestingly in this bill itself in Schedule 2—I know we're on Schedule 1—it is the case that under the Auckland super-city legislation Auckland was required to develop a spatial plan and my understanding of the Spatial Planning Act which is being repealed by this legislation is that it was taking a similar approach. So of course in this repeal bill we are still retaining spatial planning for Auckland and that bill was passed under a National-Act Government. So why is it that the new National-Act Government is rejecting spatial planning as a whole when it's clearly needed to have joined up land use and infrastructure?I guess I'm really struggling to understand why spatial planning is being retained for the Auckland super-city but not being used for the rest of the country when it's very clear that whether we're talking about transmission lines or transport infrastructure and urban development one of the biggest opportunities for Aotearoa New Zealand is to have a more joined up approach to infrastructure and land use and that the Spatial Planning Act that's being repealed by this bill would have enabled that to happen in a more proactive way.My final question for the Minister is just about how long he thinks it will take to develop the national guidance for things like renewable electricity generation like the wind farms that have you know been such a focus of the Government in terms of arguing for fast tracking and yet I suspect that it won't just be renewable electricity generation and transmission that is being fast tracked but we'll see a whole lot of other developments fast tracked which will probably have a counterproductive impact on our overall carbon emissions. The Minister might remember that actually of our total energy emissions most of them aren't from electricity it's largely from transport fuels and—Hon Dr Megan Woods: And industrial process heat.Hon JULIE ANNE GENTER: —and industrial process heat. But transport fuels play a huge role—far outweighs electricity in terms of the percentage of energy that is resulting in carbon emissions.So if the Government is using the fast-tracking legislation to fast track highways to new suburban developments which is the most costly most counterproductive type of transport infrastructure and urban development because it's the highest overall infrastructure cost from a water-transport point of view locks in households to very high personal transport costs and high emissions especially when they don't have electric vehicles—which most New Zealanders don't have electric vehicles.So question for the Minister: is the fast tracking going to be directed towards things that actually reduce carbon emissions or is it just fast tracking of all infrastructure?