Webb Duncan; Smith StuartHon Dr DUNCAN WEBB (Labour—Christchurch Central): Thank you for the opportunity to speak. I appreciate I've had two calls already but I just want to speak to my last Amendment Paper which is Amendment Paper 31. This is the one essentially in respect of beer. I know that there'll be a number of votes and I'm hoping that the whip on the other side has got his proxy forms—there is no whip on the other side—signed and ready to go in accordance with Standing Order 152. I hope that your members have thought carefully about it.I do want to make it clear that the Business Committee has said that this House can consider the fruit wine paper and the brewery paper. Even though it might have been out of scope for the purposes of this debate and the instruction to this committee these two Amendment Papers are within scope. I thank the member in charge of the bill for perhaps not celebrating that but at least accepting that it was appropriate for this House to debate them.This Amendment Paper expands the scope of the Act to include tastings of beer. It's all it really does; and mead although you can buy mead but it's pretty unusual—it's not a huge market. But just for consistency across all beverages it includes brewery and mead. And of course beer isn't the same as wine and it does have a slightly larger sample size. Most beers are around the 5 percent mark. Some creep up. Occasionally you might get one at 8 percent but that would be truly extraordinary—115 millilitres seems entirely appropriate. But I'm really interested in again why the member isn't—and I guess I should really be speaking to the House as a whole because each member will have a vote on this. If they haven't given a signed proxy to your whip then I hope they'll come down and vote on this because it's really just a matter of making it consistent.The Brewers Guild who represent brewers in New Zealand including small artisan brewers were really quite keen for this to be included. So even if this doesn't pass the House can I say we have done our job because that voice has now been properly heard and it's open to all members to vote on this Amendment Paper and those other two Amendment Papers of mine. So I would absolutely commend it to the House. But I would be interested in the member's response to it.STUART SMITH (National—Kaikōura): Thank you Mr Chair and thank you Dr Webb. I'm addressing your Amendment Paper. So while we're on the subject of teaspoons so we're talking a maximum of seven teaspoons for a wine tasting we're talking 23 teaspoons for a beer tasting. Actually if you look on the Garage Project website you can find several beers at 12 percent alcohol which is what a lot of wines are at. So you've an immediate anomaly there. That is why I raised the issue about what the Clerk had indicated on the scope of the bill because the work's not been done on it. If the work had been on that particular issue you would end up with beers stratified in different alcohol categories with different tasting size I'd imagine if it was to fit with the spirit of this bill and what we have achieved with this. So I think it was a nice try but I think we've got two potential member's bills coming up—one in Celia Wade-Brown's name and one in Dr Duncan Webb's name. So I look forward to seeing those in the future.