10. Question No. 10—JusticeTĀKUTA FERRIS (Te Pāti Māori—Te Tai Tonga) to the Minister of JusticeQuestion No. 10—Justice10. TĀKUTA FERRIS (Te Pāti Māori—Te Tai Tonga) to the Minister of Justice: Tēnā koe e te Pīka. Ko taku pātai i roto i te reo Māori ki te Minita Take Ture. Nō reira ka whakaae ia pērā i ētahi atu Minita kia arohaehaehia tōna whare arā Te Tāhū o te Ture hei whakapūmau i te whakatutukitanga o āna whāinga?[Thank you Madam Speaker. My question in the Māori language is to the Minister of Justice. And so does he agree similar to other Ministers to the review of his house—i.e. the Ministry of Justic—to ensure it is meeting its objectives?]Hon PAUL GOLDSMITH (Minister of Justice): Like every Minister in every portfolio I'm constantly reviewing what we're doing across the justice system to ensure it meets its objectives. There is of course a lot of work to do. Too many New Zealanders are victims of crime and too many New Zealanders have to wait too long to receive justice or to have their disputes resolved.Rt Hon Winston Peters: Point of order Madam Speaker. I ask you to get a transcript of that question which is set out there as being question No. 10 on the Order Paper today and you can be certain that's not what he said which he's required to say and follow to the word when he's in this Parliament. Why is there a separate rule for Te Pāti Māori and the rest have to comply with a longstanding decades' old rule that what's written down there needs to be repeated and only that and not all the add-ons as he feels like it?DEPUTY SPEAKER: Look can I just take the member's word that the question to the Minister was—because I didn't quite get this up in time—what was directed off the paper?Tākuta Ferris: Te ritenga? [The corresponding meaning?]DEPUTY SPEAKER: Yeah. The Minister obviously understood the question that you were asking—is that correct?Tākuta Ferris: Well he uaua te whakamāori i te kupu Pākehā me tōna ritenga kau ki te kupu Pākehā. [Well it is difficult to translate into Māori the English words and their corresponding meaning with English words.]Rt Hon Winston Peters: Point of order Madam Speaker. Rather than delay the House's time I seek you to get a transcript—DEPUTY SPEAKER: I'll have a look—Rt Hon Winston Peters: No let me finish off. I am the person that raised the point of order because I picked it up—you didn't. With respect I want you to compare the transcript and tell us next week what was the answer.DEPUTY SPEAKER: I will commit to do that but with respect also the Minister answered the question and there was no confusion there. So I call on Tākuta Ferris to ask a supplementary question.Hūhana Lyndon: Point of order Madam Speaker. Speaking to the point of order. E tino tautoko ana au i a Tākuta me tāna pātai.[I absolutely support Tākuta and his question.]We should not be putting barriers in place for members to be able to speak te reo Māori in this House.DEPUTY SPEAKER: Look under Speaker's ruling 42/5 interpretation is not word for word identical to the English version. So I rule that the Minister understood what was being asked and answered the question and I would like Tākuta Ferris now to ask his supplementary question.Tākuta Ferris: What actions will he take to eliminate structural racism in the justice system which continues to see Māori men being stopped tasered prosecuted by the State more than any other group as revealed by the Police yesterday in their Understanding Policing Delivery report?Hon PAUL GOLDSMITH: Well I think everybody across the justice system is very focused on achieving equitable outcomes. But I don't think it's fair or helpful to suggest that the tens of thousands of New Zealanders including Māori New Zealanders who work across the justice system are racist or are part of a system that's motivated by racism. I think they're New Zealanders who are doing their very best and we're very focused on achieving the best outcomes that we can in the justice sector.Tākuta Ferris: Is he therefore saying that structural racism does not exist in New Zealand's justice system?Hon PAUL GOLDSMITH: Well what I'm saying is I don't think it's a helpful suggestion to imply that the tens of thousands of New Zealanders who work across the justice system are—Tākuta Ferris: Point of order Madam Speaker. That's not what I asked. I didn't say anything about the people who work in justice. I asked the member if he thought that the justice system was systemically racist.Mark Cameron: Point of order Madam Speaker. I think we all wanted to actually hear what the Minister was going to answer by virtue of that and I think it would help the House and the commentary if we allowed the Minister to answer the question.DEPUTY SPEAKER: OK. So Tākuta Ferris please ask your question again and the Minister will answer it. Thank you.Tākuta Ferris: Is he therefore saying that structural racism does not exist in New Zealand's justice system?Hon PAUL GOLDSMITH: Well I'm saying that there are academics and people that would like to use that phrase. I personally don't think it's a helpful way of describing a system because the justice system is created and operated by tens of thousands of New Zealanders in the courts in the police in corrections in the Ministry of Justice our judges—all New Zealanders; many of course are Māori New Zealanders—who are doing their best to deliver justice and to imply that they're part of a racist endeavour or a system that is racist I don't think is very helpful.Tākuta Ferris: Point of order Madam Speaker. Well that was no answer. But is he saying—DEPUTY SPEAKER: Would the member please take a seat. The Minister answered the question. That was the Minister's answer. There's no requirement that the member who asked the question likes the Minister's answer but the Minister answered the question.