McNair Craig: Income Tax Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
McNair Craig: Income Tax Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
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CRAIG McNAIR (NZ First) 
: 
 I want to share with the Committee a little bit of background on the 19.5 percent tax rate for Maori organisations. Last year during a debate on finance legislation New Zealand First put up a Supplementary Order Paper proposing that the 19.5 percent tax rate specific to Maori trusts should be available to all New Zealand organisations. We were the only party to do that. The National Party is the one that implemented this tax regime back in the 1950s. 
Rodney Hide 
: Ha ha! 
CRAIG McNAIR 
: As has been said earlier the National Party has supported it year in and year out—[ 
Interruption 
] 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I just remind members that as longstanding members here they know the convention about interjecting across the cross benches. It muffles the microphone and I am having difficulty hearing the honourable member. 
Rodney Hide 
: I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. The member is talking about the National Party of the 1950s. His own mother was not even born then. 
Hon Harry Duynhoven 
: I think you are absolutely right Mr Chairperson and your ruling should be enforced. Mr Hide cannot have it both ways. He cannot mention me in the debate challenge me then raise a point of order when I answer him then interject complaining to you then interject on Mr McNair. He simply cannot have it both ways. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Politics as we all know in this place is the art of the possible and the possible that we will explore this afternoon is good order. There are over 400 Standing Orders and Speakers’ rulings that we have to work with and I am craving the indulgence of members to understand that. 
Rodney Hide 
: I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. You are quite right about the 400 rules—comparable to this Income Tax Bill—but I think we may assist matters in this way. If people want to call out and interject and all the rest of it there is an expectation that they should take a call rather than try to make a speech by way of interjection. Maybe you should point out that we are on a 3-hour slot and that Mr Duynhoven can stand up at any time take a call and explain his views on income tax. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I thank the member. He is absolutely right and Speaker’s ruling 56/1(3) applies. If members wish to take a call they can do so. 
CRAIG McNAIR 
: I remind Mr Hide that though I was not born in the 1950s I can look at history and that is what history tells me. I point out that year in year out when National Governments have been in power they have supported this tax regime. National also started the treaty grievance industry of today. I remind the people of New Zealand that the National Party is a party that would sell the last of the State-owned assets— 
Lindsay Tisch 
: I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. The member should concentrate on the issue under debate and not comment on National’s position because he is way out of line. He does not understand what has gone on of recent times. We are debating the Income Tax Bill and it is appropriate that you invite him to concentrate on the substance of the debate. That is what we are here for. 
CRAIG McNAIR 
: Speaking to the point of order Mr Chairperson I outline the fact that I was reminding this Parliament and the New Zealand public who are listening— 
Jill Pettis 
: You’re not allowed to refer to the listeners. 
CRAIG McNAIR 
: Thank you. I was reminding the Committee of what the National Party is really like; I am talking about something that a National Government implemented. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: The member was OK in the point he made initially but he started to stray when he brought the National Party into it. I ask the member to come back to the debate. 
CRAIG McNAIR 
: Basically I want to outline the fact that New Zealand First was the only party that last year put up a Supplementary Order Paper to make that specific 19.5 percent tax rate for Maori trusts available to all New Zealanders.