Carter DavidRt Hon DAVID CARTER (National): Can I first of all thank the Minister for taking that call and assure him that in my many contributions in the committee stage of this Terrorism Suppression (Control Orders) Amendment Bill I won't be playing politics but what I want is an assurance that this legislation will make me safe and my family safe and all the people who live in New Zealand safe from terrorism. That's what this legislation has to be about. I simply have a question to ask of the Minister: are the restrictions proposed in this legislation sufficient? The Minister nods his head and says yes they are. I don't share that confidence that the Minister has because we know and he's just told us in the committee stage today that no one will be arriving back who is a surprise—I accept that—but these people who will be coming back will be known to him because of his involvement with New Zealand's security services and they will be known to New Zealand's security services because they have been dangerous terrorists as they have gone overseas. We know the story about Mark Taylor the Bungling Jihadi" and I've seen the photographs of him strapped with ammunition and with guns on his shoulder with that smirky smile. He will potentially return to New Zealand at some stage and I am not convinced that this legislation is strong enough to protect me from that type of terrorist. I say to the Minister talking to the purpose of the Act that the Act is to protect the public from terrorism and we know that already politics have been played in this bill because at one stage Andrew Little the Minister in charge wanted to talk to National and then he changed his mind and went and got the support of the Greens. The Greens initially had said that they would not support the legislation because listening to Marama Davidson the co-leader of the Greens the other day she felt that the human rights of Mark Taylor the "Bungling Jihadi" were above my concerns around safety and I reject that. That person's human rights do not come before the safety of all New Zealanders. Then when you look at the purpose of the Act and consider the two main purposes—"to protect the public from terrorism:" and the second one is "to prevent engagement in terrorism-related activities in a country:"—they are logical. But you look at the incidental purpose which is "to support the relevant person's reintegration into New Zealand or rehabilitation or both." and I would add to that "if possible" because some of these people returning will simply not be able to be rehabilitated to be safe with New Zealand citizens. You look at some of the conditions then imposed by no doubt the Greens to some of the control orders that are being promoted in the purpose of this bill: the curfew must not be imposed for any longer than 12 hours a day—so they impose a curfew on a person because he's dangerous to New Zealanders but put a restriction on it that it cannot be more than 12 hours a day; if that person is dangerous he needs to be watched for a full 24 hours a day—electronic monitoring must not be imposed where a less restrictive condition would be sufficiently effective and a person must not be required to attend a rehabilitation service unless the person has given their informed consent to do so. Those three clauses worry me because I know at whose insistence they were put into this legislation—the insistence of the Greens—and as we debate this legislation through the balance of this evening I have no doubt the Labour Party will be very quiet. They won't want to take calls because they know that this legislation's not strong enough. Deep down they know it's not strong enough and the Hon Andrew Little shakes his head. I say to the Minister that New Zealand was never immune from terrorism. We saw it on 15 March in my home city of Christchurch and mark my words sadly we will see it again. I don't have confidence—genuinely—that this legislation has been developed in a strong enough fashion and in saying that Mr Little I am not attempting to play politics. Hon Andrew Little: It's exactly what you're doing. Rt Hon DAVID CARTER: Oh the Minister says that I am. I'm asking him to take my word that I'm not. I want legislation that is strong enough to protect law-abiding New Zealanders and that is not in favour of terrorists."