Peters Winston: Immigration Amendment Bill (No 2) — Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
Peters Winston: Immigration Amendment Bill (No 2) — Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
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Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First) 
: I remind members that in the last 24 hours one Lianne Dalziel has been out telling everybody that her department will be able to process a new regime whereby all applicants will be in receipt of an answer within 3 months. 
Hon Dr Nick Smith 
: Yeah right! 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS 
: Yes that is right. She was asked this morning how she was going to implement on the ground the globalisation priority programme she has and she said “at trade fairs.” If we look at some facts we see for example that 75 percent of the applicants before 20 November 2002 have not been processed. Some would suggest that given the demands before it the department is incapable of doing its job. Why would a Minister make those sorts of claims then try to underpin the whole thing with the slogan: “We’re going to have no more doctors driving taxis.” How many doctors are driving taxis? Two hundred? Four hundred? But it ain’t 72000. 
Hon Dr Nick Smith 
: That was said 10 years ago. 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS 
: That is right. It was an issue 10 years ago; that is a fact. And do members know how those members got here? They were got into New Zealand by the Labour Party late in 1988-89 and 1990. Most of them got here then—and it was an issue in the 1999 election campaign. I can remember people coming to us and saying: “Why can’t we get ourselves qualifications in New Zealand?” The answer is that they had such an appalling policy back then that one group was approving qualifications and another group the Medical Association was saying it would not register them. It is that simple. But here is my point: the Minister like her colleagues thinks that everything can be handled by spin. But she will not get past this part and that is her inability—and the inability of any of her colleagues—to tell us why one would repose in a civil servant or bureaucrat and in many cases a foreigner the capacity to make a decision and for there to be no rights of appeal against it. 
I ask the Minister to tell us how many frauds she has found within her department in the last 12 months. There is a stack of them. 
Hon Dr Nick Smith 
: She probably doesn’t know. 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS 
: Her department head knew. There is a stack of them. One guy was guilty of 12 that her department knew about. In short there was a guy sitting outside the High Commission in New Delhi selling visas—not inside; outside. 
Hon Ken Shirley 
: At a discount? 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS 
: Yes—out under the trees. He was successfully selling visas for this country. The reason was that those who would normally go to the High Commission said: “We get a far better deal with this guy outside and he has been licensed from inside.” 
Dail Jones 
: That’s a trade fair. 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS 
: Yes it is. 
Dail Jones 
: Fair trade! 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS 
: Whether they were getting a fair trade I do not know but given the number of frauds within the department it is ridiculous to say that fraud or otherwise encouraged or otherwise this country will stand by that person’s decision and no one will have the right of appeal. One would think that the Minister would get up and above all provide some satisfactory explanation as to why she would do that. But more important we cannot deny the facts when she lapses about 43000 people though I am not too sure how many fit that category. What we are certain of is that when the Minister says those people do not live in New Zealand she does not know what she is talking about. Every year 190000 are coming in in all sorts of categories such as students. It is all in this document. The Minister should try to get herself some education. 
Hon Lianne Dalziel 
: I’ve read it. 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS 
: Well she will know that what I say is true. In total 190000 people including international students are being approved for permanent and temporary residence. How does she know what is going on? She does not know what is going on and she never will. Her department’s inability to handle the problem is evidenced by the fact that it has a huge backlog. There she was last night looking so forlorn and saying: “Oh it’s been ongoing for 2 years.” Well nobody is paying the Minister for being useless—she should resign. If she cannot do her job she should go because she has long outserved her usefulness. 
Hon Lianne Dalziel 
: A cracked record! 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS 
: No it is not a cracked record. This CD will get more parts to it than one has ever heard. That is a fact because every day now telephone books of scandals are being sent to our office and I have all sorts of people who want to see me in Auckland and tell me about their latest story—Chinese people Indian and Bangladeshi people.