Jones Dail: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Procedure Referral to Health Committee Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Jones Dail: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Procedure Referral to Health Committee Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
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DAIL JONES (NZ First) 
: 
 I just want to clarify the situation regarding the marae. If the member in the chair Steve Chadwick could just take us through it— 
Hon David Carter 
: Or the Minister in charge of the bill. 
DAIL JONES 
: Or the Minister in charge of the bill Mr O’Connor. For a change I will talk about clause 2 “Interpretation”. It provides a definition for “early childhood centre” “registered school” “residential disability care institution” “volunteer” “workplace” and “licensed premises”. As I understand it if the marae does not have an early childhood centre or a registered school does not employ anyone and does not have licensed premises then people could still smoke on the marae. That would be the case. I raise that point because there has been some doubt and ambiguity about the whole thing. 
Of course I am an immigrant to New Zealand as people say. I am Rip Van Winkle as the Minister said tonight in her rather vitriolic attack. In the scheme of things how does one actually define a marae? As I understand it it is the open place outside the meeting house. That is where all the talking tends to take place. That is the actual definition of the marae. How does that fit in to all those things? Does one stand out there and have a smoke? Because that is what a marae actually is. Or does one go into the various whare? We have a degree of confusion about this bill that needs to be clarified and to take the earlier point perhaps more consideration should have been given to it. 
Where and how on a marae does smoking take place? The place is not defined anywhere. Nowadays the definition of a marae is given to the buildings which is strictly not the proper definition as I am sure Ms Tariana Turia would say. We are going to strict Maori definitions these days. I thought “Maori” meant “normal” but she now tells me it means “natural”. There are two other definitions in the seventh edition of Henry Williams’  
Dictionary of the Maori Language 
. 
What does “marae” actually mean? What are we talking about in this context? If someone is smoking in a building—the “John Waititi” marae or as it is sometimes not properly called the Hoani Waititi marae an original urban marae of the late 60s and early 70s—what is the situation there with regard to smoking in the building? It seems to me that in that sort of building with all these exemptions in the bill people could smoke quite freely without any difficulty even though it is a public place. There is some considerable doubt about the whole thing. 
Of course as far as the cigar bar is concerned Mr Worth need not have any problem. The new answer from the Labour Party is that one just turns it into a brothel. Is it not perfectly set up for one? Has he thought of that proposal? That is the Labour Party’s answer to everything at the moment. The cigar bar can be turned into something formerly illegal. It seems to me that that is what the Labour Party is getting at. That is the Labour Party’s solution from the member’s description of the cigar bar. 
Richard Worth 
: Not the same. 
DAIL JONES 
: Is it not the same? I do not go into cigar bars or into those other institutions so I would not be able to tell. Mr Worth tells me it is not the same as a brothel. 
Richard Worth 
: Ask Mr Cosgrove. 
DAIL JONES 
: He tells me to ask Mr Cosgrove. One sometimes has to be careful as to how one replies to interjections or one can get into trouble! I will leave it at that point. I am trying to be helpful because I think there are problems with how one deals wih the marae situation and I think I have explained that it is not as easy as it might seem.