Jackson WillieHon WILLIE JACKSON (Labour): I'm really concerned about this bill as the committee knows. I would like to talk about the title.Hon Matt Doocey: Point of order. Mr Chair the Standing Orders make it very clear that title and commencement in committee of the whole House is about getting up and asking the Minister questions. We've had that member get up successively and give us 10-minute rants about nothing—CHAIRPERSON (Greg O'Connor): Mr Doocey sit down! As you well know that is a job for the Chair. Any more of that will be trifling with the House. So no more. Carry on. Hon WILLIE JACKSON: Thank you Mr Chair. I'm a bit disappointed that that member's not enjoying my submission but I hope that he'll be able to learn something from this kōrero because I'm talking about the title.I want to help the other side of the committee out there because they're struggling with this title. Coincidentally I got a phone call about the title just in the last few minutes from a gang member who wants to help out—fully rehabilitated. His name's Martin Cooper. I'm quite happy to name some of these gang members. In fact Mr Chair you would probably know some of them too given your background and history in dealing with gangs too. So this is someone who's really concerned about the title which is what we're talking about. He sees the Gangs Legislation Amendment Bill and he was part—I'm just given you some background and history Mr Chair—of the work programmes that were in South Auckland. Martin Cooper worked and put young gangsters into work. He's suggesting and I'd have to agree with him to call this the Gang Legislation (Can You Find Us a Job?) Bill". So I thought that was a pretty good suggestion from someone who's working at the grassroots. His story is one of redemption. You can google his story and you'll see that this guy has gone through the system gang boss everything and now he's working on our committees on our maraes at Ngā Whare Waatea rehabilitating working with young people getting patches off gangsters.Hon Matt Doocey: What's your question?Hon WILLIE JACKSON: Do you not want to hear these stories? These are beautiful stories. I know a lot of them. I can keep going till 6 o'clock Mr Chair.CHAIRPERSON (Greg O'Connor): As they relate to the title and commencement Mr Jackson.Hon WILLIE JACKSON: Mr Cooper is saying the title is misnamed. That's all I'm trying to say here: the title is misnamed. He wants work so why wouldn't you include—this is the "Gang (We Want Work) Amendment Bill". That's all he's saying you know? He's not a supporter of the young people going into gangs; he's a supporter of getting them busy getting them activated getting them rehabilitated getting them to be productive so that our communities will be safe. This is what the Government wants. This is what we want. We're all on the same waka here and they want to shut me down here today. I don't get this. I am trying to contribute and help—particularly Mr Meager he's done a wonderful job chairing the committee I'm trying to help him along trying to help the Government along and all I'm getting is insults from the other side of the committee.These are real people. These people wouldn't know gang members if they fell over them. We work with them on our marae which the Government funds—can I be very clear: funds our marae. They're all very welcome to come to the marae. I've got an open invitation to the Government to come to our marae. They will see first hand how a community deals with some of these gang members ex - gang members. I can tell you now it's not a soft hand given. My mother Mr Chair 20 years on the Parole Board as you well know some of the gang members used to hide from her because she was so tough on them. There's no softly softly approach here. I know now that if Mum was alive she would agree with the new title on this gang legislation. Yes. Bless her soul my mother. She would say "Let's find them some work Son and you'll stop them from all the nonsense that they're doing."But seriously if we activate motivate get these whānau involved we would stop some of this nonsense that's happening out in our communities. We all want the same thing but it's not just about taking patches off the backs of these gangs; it's about working at the coalface it's about dismantling their assets; it's about taking away from them what is dear. You heard Eugene Ryder through the select committee process: you take the patches off and they'll just wear colours. It's just nonsensical legislation.Let's all work together on this. Let's delay this for another 12 months. I'm going to seek the call again too Mr Chair. I don't know if I've quite reached the point I wanted to but I think I'll get there over the next 10 minutes if you give me the call again. But it's about supporting our communities supporting our country—[Time expired]"