Bishop ChrisCHRIS BISHOP (National): Well just to follow up on that I mean that doesn't really answer the question to be honest but it says iwi and hapū responsibilities in relation to te taiao but that's not what the actual words of the clause say. It says All persons exercising powers and performing duties and functions under this Act". So everyone is affected. Although the heading of clause 7 says "Iwi and hapū responsibilities" it's actually about everybody: "All persons exercising powers and performing duties and functions under this Act must recognise and provide"—so it's everyone. Everyone who does anything or anyone who exercises any power under this Act and performs a duty—and the Act imposes a variety of duties which we'll get into and functions. This is a clause with extraordinary breath. It's everyone exercising powers and performing duties and functions is subject to a range of obligations. It's "must" not "may". They "must". They "must recognise and provide for the responsibility and mana of each iwi"—each iwi—not a general commitment to te Tiriti or the Treaty not a general kind of commitment to you know engage with Māoridom or the Māori world view leaving aside that issue which the Minister doesn't really expand on. It's each iwi and hapū: "…. to protect and sustain … in accordance with the kawa tikanga (including kaitiakitanga) and mātauranga in their rohe or takiwā." The odds of someone not doing this frankly are high and the odds of someone turning up to court and saying "You Mr Decision Maker" or "You Mr Regional Council" or "You Mr Regional Planning Committee"—Simon Court: Or Mrs.CHRIS BISHOP: Or Mrs—thank you; a very good point thank you Mr Court—"you haven't done this. You haven't recognised and provided for the local iwi each local iwi or local hapū to protect and sustain te Taiao. You haven't done that." The odds of that happening I would say are frankly reasonably high—reasonably high.Simon Court: I'd bet on it—I'd put money on it.CHRIS BISHOP: I'd bet on it says Simon Court—I'd bet on it. [Interruption] Well look I'm not Kieran McAnulty. I'm not a betting man—I'm not a betting man.Hon Scott Simpson: Kieran McAnulty is.CHRIS BISHOP: Kieran McAnulty is. He's not in the House but I reckon he'd have a wager. He'd have a wager on it I reckon.Hon Scott Simpson: He's the TAB guy—he's the TAB guy.CHRIS BISHOP: Yeah—oh I apologise. I know what you're about to say Mr Utikere. It was in jest—it was in jest. But anyway we're away from the point. But it's a serious issue—it's a serious issue. The odds of this happening are high as I said just before and invite the Minister to address it.The potential for judicial review as a result of this clause is huge is massive. And we've had enough litigation frankly through the Resource Management Act. We need less of it not more of it—Hon Rachel Brooking: That's right.CHRIS BISHOP: —and has the Minister—well "That's right." So you see the Associate Minister's agreeing with me. So has the Minister or indeed herself—Hon Member: She always agrees with you Bish. She always agrees with you.CHRIS BISHOP: Well she doesn't always agree with me. I wish that was true. Has the Minister considered—Hon Member: She might even be voting National this year.CHRIS BISHOP: Because we would—I don't think she's voting National. We would support a Supplementary Order Paper (SOP) to narrow the scope of this clause. I'll say that on the record. We would support an SOP advanced by the Government if the Government realises that this clause is too large and wide in its scope. We would support an SOP that would narrow it down in the interests of good government—in the interests of good government because that's what we're all about on this side of the House.Stuart Smith: We're here to help!CHRIS BISHOP: We're here to help that's right. Hon Scott Simpson: Here to help.CHRIS BISHOP: Chris Bishop and Scott Simpson are here to help. So if the Government wants to move an SOP—in fact I might draft one up now. I might draft one up nowSimon Court: Sounds good.CHRIS BISHOP: Yep Simon Court's saying he'll support it. The Greens I don't think will. I'll go and have a chat to Eugenie Sage but I don't reckon she will—Hon Scott Simpson: It's worth a try.CHRIS BISHOP: —but she might; you never know. But if the Labour Party wants to get on board with good government we invite them to join us. Thank you."