8. Māori Development—Homelessness and HousingKELVIN DAVIS (Labour—Te Tai Tokerau) to the Minister for Māori DevelopmentMāori Development—Homelessness and Housing8. KELVIN DAVIS (Labour—Te Tai Tokerau) to the Minister for Māori Development: Does he stand by all his statements?Hon TE URUROA FLAVELL (Minister for Māori Development): Āe nā runga i te āhuatanga o te wā.[In terms of the situation currently yes.]Kelvin Davis: Does he stand by his statement on the Marae programme a week or so ago that he has got no idea" how homelessness got so bad in Waiariki despite being the MP since 2005 and a member of the Government since 2008?Hon TE URUROA FLAVELL: I runga i te āhuatanga o te pātai i pērā rawa te rere o te kōrero. I mārama tonu au ēhara i te mea ko te mea kotahi e patu nei i Te Ao Māori me tana kore whiwhi kāinga. Ko tāku ko te kī atu arā anō ngā take e pā ana ki tērā o ngā kōrero.[Based on the circumstances of the question the flow of the conversation was somewhat like that. I was certainly clear about it it was not as though it was really one aspect that impacted on Māoridom and its ability to have a house. I assert that there are other matters relating to the aspect of the statements.]Kelvin Davis: In light of that terrible answer—Mr SPEAKER: Order! Order! If the member does that again he will not be having any chance to ask further supplementary questions.Kelvin Davis: Does he regret supporting the sell-off of State houses which he described as rangatiratanga given the fact that Māori are five times more likely to be homeless than Pākehā and Māori make up 44 percent of the wait list for State housing?Hon TE URUROA FLAVELL: Ko tā Te Kāwanatanga ko te whakaae kia riro ki ētahi atu Māori mai Iwi māi kamupene mai kia āhei rātau ki te hoko i ngā whare kai roto i te pūkoro o Te Kāwanatanga. Ko tā mātau ko te kī atu pai kē tērā ki tērā o tēnei wā tonu nei ngā uauatanga kua pā mai ki te hiahia o Te Ao Māori ki te ruku ki roto i te āhuatanga o tēnei mea o te whare.[The Government's view is to allow others such as Māori tribes and companies to take responsibility so that they are able to buy houses in the pockets of the Government. We say that is better than that currently happening at this very moment in terms of the difficulties that impact on the desire of Māoridom to delve into the nature concerning this thing about a house.]Mr SPEAKER: Supplementary question Kelvin Davis.Rt Hon Winston Peters: Stop hiding behind the Māori language.Kelvin Davis: Might one of the reasons Māori housing—Hon TE URUROA FLAVELL: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I puta te kōrero o Te Hōnore Winston Peters: "Stop hiding behind the Māori language." Kai te pā tērā āhuatanga ki a au me tū atu ia ki te tuku i tētahi whakapāha ki tēnei Whare. E whakaiti nei i te wā āhuatanga o Te Reo Māori i roto i tēnei Whare.[The Rt Hon Winston Peters made a statement: "Stop hiding behind the Māori language." I am offended by that situation he must apologise to this House. It belittles the moments that the Māori language has in this House.]Mr SPEAKER: I did not hear the interjection but if the member the Rt Hon Winston Peters suggested that a member was hiding behind answering this House because that member spoke in Te Reo that is absolutely out of order and the member will stand withdraw and apologise for that remark.Rt Hon Winston Peters: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. Mr SPEAKER: Order! First of all before I take the point of order I require the member to stand withdraw and apologise.Rt Hon Winston Peters: I withdraw and apologise. I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. How are the people of this country out there this close to the election going to know what the answer was from a broadcast from this House to tens of thousands of people on a critical issue?Hon Gerry Brownlee: Mr Speaker I am sure you will want to tell the member that should they be listening or should they be watching there will be interpretation provided.Mr SPEAKER: That is exactly the point I would have made if Mr Brownlee had not done so.Hon Gerry Brownlee: I raise a further point of order Mr Speaker.Mr SPEAKER: No it does not need anything further. We will now revert back to supplementary questions.Rt Hon Winston Peters: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker.Mr SPEAKER: Before I hear from the member it had better be a fresh point of order not relitigation.Rt Hon Winston Peters: It is a fresh point of order; it always is. When I was talking about communicating with the tens of thousands of people out there I was also talking about the radio for which there is not an interpretation.Mr SPEAKER: The member is now continuing to relitigate what has already been raised. It is an official language. It can be used and will be used by members who choose to do so. Are there further supplementary questions?Kelvin Davis: Might one of the reasons that Māori housing outcomes are so bad be that his Māori housing network has managed to get consents for only 11 houses despite spending $37.5 million as detailed in his supplementary answers to the Estimates questions?Hon TE URUROA FLAVELL: Kāo kāo. E kino rawa nā te kore whakaaetanga o Te Rōpū Reipa ki te tautoko i te Kings development i Tāmaki i Point England i pērā rawa te kore o Te Reipa ki te tautoko i ērā kaupapa koianā i kino ai.[No no. The absolute refusal of the Labour Party to endorse the Kings development in Auckland and in Point England as to why Labour's refusal to support those initiatives is like that that is why it is so harmful that is it.]Kelvin Davis: I runga i tēnā whakautu pōrangi [Based on that deranged response] why did Treasury state in March this year regarding Budget 2017 about funding bids he submitted "Eight initiatives have no supporting information. We cannot be confident that TPK has the capacity to deliver these initiatives." and is this why his Māori housing initiatives are a mess?Hon TE URUROA FLAVELL: Hei whakautu i tērā pātai pōrangi ko te whakautu ki tērā momo pātai e pēnei ana. I te tau kua hipa ake i kaha nei Te Māori Housing Network ki te tautoko i ngā whānau huri nei Te Motu i roto i ngā uauatanga arā pēnei i te āhuatanga ki tana rohe ki roto i Te Tai Tokerau ā i kōrerohia i roto i tēnei Whare inā tatanei. Ricky Houghton ko ia te tangata i tae atu ki te tautoko i a Ricky Houghton me tana hiahia ki te hanga whare hai āwhina i te hapori o Kaikohe. Nō reira koinei ēnei tētahi paku wāhanga mō ngā tangata e hiahia i tēnei mō te āhuatanga o ngā take—[In response to that insane question the response to that type of question goes like this. In the year just gone the Māori Housing Network worked strenuously to support families around the country with difficulties; in other words like this situation concerning his region in North Auckland and was commented on in this House just recently. Ricky Houghton he was the person who arrived there in support of Ricky Houghton with his desire to build a house to assist the community of Kaikohe. Therefore these then are some a teeny morsel for individuals wanting this situation relating to matters—]Kelvin Davis: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. The question was about eight initiatives that Treasury said Te Puni Kōkiri did not have the capacity for. The member did not address that in his answer whatsoever.Mr SPEAKER: No I think—it is difficult because I am certainly not fluent in Te Reo but as I listened to the interpretation I think the question has been addressed. At that stage the answer was progressing and it was far too long so I was about to interrupt the Minister on that count."