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Beyer Georgina: Resource Management (Waitaki Catchment) Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
Beyer Georgina: Resource Management (Waitaki Catchment) Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
[Volume:620;Page:15558] 
GEORGINA BEYER (Labour—Wairarapa) 
: 
 The speech from the member who just resumed his seat compelled me to propel myself forward to take the call because it had a profound effect on how I now feel about this bill. However it was not quite as profound as the speeches I have heard from Mr Peters and Mr Baldock. They were more on the correct side of the debate and have had a greater effect on me as did the Minister in her third reading speech which I thought was fine and dandy. The Opposition would have it that we should have mucked around for years and years while they procrastinated about whether it was worth doing something about this matter. But here is the Labour-led Government with some support thankfully from the likes of United Future and New Zealand First. Those parties have seen the error of the Opposition’s ways. We are getting on with the job. We are providing a facility whereby the issues of water allocation and planning etc. for the Waitaki catchment area are to be addressed. I support this bill.
Carter David: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Carter David: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:609;Page:6560] 
Hon DAVID CARTER (NZ National) 
: 
 I was very keen to ask this question of Mr Hodgson the Convenor and I wonder whether I can seek leave to hold it over until I can do that. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to do that. Is there any objection? There is objection.
Barker Rick: Parole (Extended Supervision) Amendment Bill Sentencing Amendment Bill (No 2) — Third Readings 
Barker Rick: Parole (Extended Supervision) Amendment Bill Sentencing Amendment Bill (No 2) — Third Readings 
[Volume:618;Page:14189] 
Hon RICK BARKER (Associate Minister of Justice) 
  
on behalf of the Minister of Justice: 
I move  
That the Parole (Extended Supervision) Amendment Bill and the Sentencing Amendment Bill (No 2) be now read a third time 
. The passage of this legislation will establish in New Zealand for the first time an active monitoring regime for high-risk child sex offenders living in the community. Child sex offenders are known to be in many cases compulsive repeat offenders. The bill establishes a new regime that allows extended supervision orders to be imposed on child sex offenders who are likely to continue to sexually victimise children once their sentences are finished. In order to address the issues for those who are sentenced under the old laws this legislation has transitional limited retrospective provisions that may be brought forward to apply to those high-risk offenders who are still in prison and subject to release conditions at the time of the introduction of this legislation. 
Extended supervision will be made available to those who are eligible for it the high and medium to high-risk child sex offenders for a period of up to 10 years. 
I do not want to go on much more about that except to say that this has been an interesting debate. It has been one in which there have been measured contributions and I do appreciate the positive contributions made by Opposition MPs. It has been very interesting to note that the Opposition has voted with the Government on many occasions on this legislation. I accept that Opposition members agree with the direction of the legislation but qualify that by saying it does not go far enough. The Government feels that in fact we have made significant advances and that this legislation should be seen in the context of the other legislative changes this Government has made. We have made significant changes to deal with the issues in terms of these types of people. For example we have widened the scope of preventive detention—something the previous administration left for some time. It is also interesting to note that more people are being denied parole that the provisions are being tightened and that we now have an amendment in this legislation that gives better facilities for the sharing of information by Government agencies to help improve the manner in which we can deal with these people. 
I am sure that Parliament will be very pleased with the legislation we have passed and I am confident that it will be effective in protecting the people we seek to protect.
Hunt Jonathan: Business Statement 
Hunt Jonathan: Business Statement 
[Volume:623;Page:18738] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: This matter is still before the Committee of the whole House and of course it is the Committee’s duty to deal with the bill. But I will consider the matters the member has raised.
Brown Peter: Railways Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
Brown Peter: Railways Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:625;Page:19908] 
PETER BROWN (Senior Whip—NZ First) 
: 
 I do not think that there will be a great deal of debate on this bill. By and large I think the whole Committee is supportive of it. I seek leave to take the whole bill as one part from now on.
Collins Judith: Business of Select Committees — Appointments 
Collins Judith: Business of Select Committees — Appointments 
[Volume:614;Page:10562] 
JUDITH COLLINS (National—Clevedon) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. The Government chief whip just referred to a parliamentary colleague as a shyster. I believe that is unparliamentary language and he should apologise. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Yes the member will withdraw and apologise.
Simich Clem: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Procedure Referral to Health Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled  Speaker Recalled In Committee Procedure 
Simich Clem: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Procedure Referral to Health Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled  Speaker Recalled In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:613;Page:9968] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich) 
: I thank the member for that. That clearly explains the position. As I said before a motion to report progress must be done on a call. It was done on a point of order. I have dealt with the matter.
Ririnui Mita: Te Runanga o Ngati Awa Bill — Procedure In Committee 
Ririnui Mita: Te Runanga o Ngati Awa Bill — Procedure In Committee 
[Volume:623;Page:18919] 
Hon MITA RIRINUI (Associate Minister in charge of Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations) 
: 
 Once again for the member’s benefit I stand to clarify the commentary on the bill. I made an attempt prior to the dinner break I made a much longer attempt and I now have to do it again but I am more than willing to do that. Prior to the dinner break—and I still echo those words—I said that the Government does not have a majority on the select committee. That was in response to a comment made by the National Party member Gerry Brownlee prior to the dinner break about the numbers in terms of the voting. The point is that whilst we do not have the numbers what we required was the full support of the select committee and that we did get. I did not say at any time that we are not responsible for it. I hope that clarifies the situation. 
Secondly I attempted to satisfy the concerns of the National Party member Lindsay Tisch when he asked for some clarification from me about both versions reflecting the views of the select committee. I gave him that assurance and I do so once again.
Vote: Public Finance (State Sector Management) Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Public Finance (State Sector Management) Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:622;Page:17907] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 71 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2; Maori Party 1. 
Noes 49 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 9. 
Amendments agreed to.
Clark Helen: Motions — Tsunami Boxing Day—Expression of Condolence 
Clark Helen: Motions — Tsunami Boxing Day—Expression of Condolence 
[Volume:623;Page:18149] 
Rt Hon HELEN CLARK (Prime Minister) 
: 
 I move  
That this House express its deep sorrow at the loss of human life and the devastation of communities caused by the Boxing Day tsunami and express its sincere condolences to all families who have lost loved ones in this tragedy. 
 The Boxing Day tsunami was a catastrophe that took a heavy toll of human life and shattered many communities. While it occurred in the Indian Ocean region its effects were felt around the world as the death toll mounted in many nations. New Zealand families too were directly touched by this tragedy. Some of our people will never come home and some may never be identified. Others have come home deeply distressed and troubled by what they witnessed. 
Around the world across religions faiths and beliefs across ethnicities and national boundaries the common humanity of people has shone through at this time of great adversity. New Zealanders have willingly come forward to help in a multitude of ways; from donations for relief through to work on the ground in South-east Asia and I thank all who have helped in any way. It is my hope that the permanent memorial to all those who have died those who have suffered and those who have experienced personal and community loss will be a strengthened sense of community worldwide. I believe it would be appropriate for the House to stand for a minute’s silence at the end of our tributes in memory of all of those whose lives were taken in this catastrophe.
Vote: Corrections Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Procedure 
Vote: Corrections Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:617;Page:13048] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 8. 
Noes 61 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 8; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Lindsay Tisch to clause 217 be agreed to: 
to omit from paragraph (b) the figure “5” and substitute the figure (2).
Brownlee Gerry: Principles of the Treaty of Waitangi Deletion Bill — First Reading 
Brownlee Gerry: Principles of the Treaty of Waitangi Deletion Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:626;Page:21171] 
GERRY BROWNLEE (Deputy Leader—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. The Government does not have a very sound Order Paper in front of us tonight. This is the only bill that we are going to consider between now and 10 o’clock yet somehow the Government embarrassed by this bill wants to constrain us— 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: That is not a point of order. 
GERRY BROWNLEE 
: Give me a moment please. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: The member will be terse and to the point. 
GERRY BROWNLEE 
: The Government wants to constrain our speaking. So I seek leave for the National Party to have a 10-minute speaking slot or to take us up to 6 o’clock on this particular slot. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: The House is the master of its own destiny. Is there any objection to that course of action? There is. 
GERRY BROWNLEE 
: Let me make it clear: this will be the last speaking slot before 6 o’clock. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Just before I call the member I advise members that all other speeches are 5-minute speeches and as a courtesy to members I will give a bell at 4 minutes so they know they have a minute left.
Vote: Crimes Amendment Bill (No 6) — In Committee Third Reading 
Vote: Crimes Amendment Bill (No 6) — In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:609;Page:7087] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That clause 1 be agreed to. 
Ayes 99 
Labour 52; New Zealand National 26; New Zealand First 13; United Future 8. 
Noes 16 
ACT New Zealand 8; Green Party 8. 
Clause 1 agreed to.
Duncan Helen: Taxation (Annual Rates Maori Organisations Taxpayer Compliance and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Duncan Helen: Taxation (Annual Rates Maori Organisations Taxpayer Compliance and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:606;Page:4098] 
HELEN DUNCAN (NZ Labour) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Cullen Michael: Foreshore and Seabed Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Cullen Michael: Foreshore and Seabed Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:621;Page:17099] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I suggest that we are starting to get back to a habit we had for some time previously in this Parliament when continual points of order were taken by members of the National Party to try to influence you on the issue of the acceptance or otherwise of a closure motion. The Speakers’ rulings on that are very clear and had to be re-emphasised at one point in the past in order to cease that practice. Mr Brownlee is clearly now beginning to re-enter that practice. He knows very well the indications given at the Business Committee yesterday. So far today in nearly 11 hours of debate we have completed only three questions which is an unusually long debate by the standards of the Committee. I do not make that point in order to try to influence you at all. I merely say that you make the final decision and there is no question that your decision in my view is one that sometimes upsets members on the Government side of the Chamber as well as on the Opposition side. That is the nature of being a referee in this place.
Hughes Darren: Electricity and Gas Industries Bill — In Committee 
Hughes Darren: Electricity and Gas Industries Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:620;Page:15861] 
DARREN HUGHES (Labour—Otaki) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Choudhary Ashraf: Land Transport Amendment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
Choudhary Ashraf: Land Transport Amendment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:626;Page:21354] 
Dr ASHRAF CHOUDHARY (Labour) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Pillay Lynne: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Pillay Lynne: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:619;Page:15225] 
1. LYNNE PILLAY (Labour—Waitakere) 
 to the  
Associate Minister of Education (Tertiary Education) 
: What is the Government doing to ensure a highly skilled New Zealand workforce? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY (Associate Minister of Education (Tertiary Education)) 
: 
 Good news: today I am able to announce that the updated figures on the Modern Apprenticeships programme are looking very good. We have continued to expand the number of modern apprentices. In June 2004 there were 6874 modern apprentices—374 more than target. This is an increase of 20 percent since last year. That is nearly 1200 more apprentices in the space of a year. We now have reached our 500th female modern apprentice. This is good news. 
Lynne Pillay 
: What has been the response to the Modern Apprenticeships scheme? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY 
: This policy was introduced during the first 100 days of the Labour-led Government and we have had a huge demand to bring back modern apprentices. It has been endorsed by every sector of the community—industry business schools mayors parents and learners. Only one sector has said: “This legislation is pathetic just like the scheme that is behind it and the sooner we get rid of it the better.” That quote was from the National Party which would abolish the Modern Apprenticeships scheme by lunchtime if it ever gets the chance. 
Hon Bill English 
: Is the Minister aware that the growth in his much-favoured Modern Apprenticeships scheme is dwarfed by The Open Polytechnic for instance which is enrolling in its low-level LifeWorks programme so fast that by the end of this year he may have to pay it up to $86 million to fund the enrolments it has made? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY 
: I am glad that Bill English is endorsing the more strategic approach we are taking. For 9 long years the National Government did nothing. We are now enjoying the fruits of massive growth in industry training and a massive growth in Modern Apprenticeships. I know that he applauds it that he is jealous and that he wishes he had done it. 
Nandor Tanczos 
: What does the Minister propose to do in response to the Human Rights Commission report that identified low household income as a significant barrier to participation in education and also reported that New Zealand had one of the highest disparities in educational performance in the OECD and that the achievement rate for males Maori Pacific peoples disabled and low - socio-economic communities was “disproportionately low”? 
Mr SPEAKER 
: That is wide of the question but the Minister may comment very briefly. 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY 
: I am glad the member asked that question because that is a report on the education system. We take it seriously and the member is really giving me the opportunity—which I cannot take because of the Speaker—to reel off what has been an enormous number of policies lowering the cost of education. Maori participation is going through the roof. We are just enjoying such a change in those statistics under this Government and I thank the member for the question.
Mallard Trevor: Education (Export Education Levy) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Mallard Trevor: Education (Export Education Levy) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:614;Page:10643] 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Minister of Education) 
: 
 I move  
That the Education (Export Education Levy) Amendment Bill be now read a first time. 
 At the end of this debate I will move that the bill be referred to the Education and Science Committee. 
The Government has sponsored this bill to maintain the growth of the export education industry infuse stability and guarantee a principled approach to the education of international students. The bill ensures that immediate financial relief can be provided directly from the levy fund to assist students affected by provider collapse. 
As recent cases have illustrated swift action is essential to support students who face loss insecurity and indecision. This bill sends a clear message that international students who come to New Zealand can have confidence that in the unfortunate event of a provider failure they will be looked after. The Government—and I am sure all sector providers in this most important industry—hopes that in future there will not be any need to use this proposed legislation on the money that comes from it. The message that sends about stability and the support that we have around the House is very important to our international relationships. I ask members opposite to think of that and be slightly careful as they debate the issue.
Visitors — Minister of Domestic Trade and Consumer Affairs Malaysia 
Visitors — Minister of Domestic Trade and Consumer Affairs Malaysia 
[Volume:615;Page:10861] 
Wednesday 11 February 2004 
Mr Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Prayers 
. 
Visitors 
Minister of Domestic Trade and Consumer Affairs Malaysia 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I have much pleasure in informing members that the Hon Datuk Dr Jamaluddin bin Jarjis Minister of Domestic Trade and Consumer Affairs Malaysia accompanied by the Minister of Consumer Affairs is within the precincts of the Chamber. I am sure that members would wish that he be welcomed and accorded a seat on the left of the Chair. 
Hon Datuk Dr Jamaluddin bin Jarjis accompanied by the Minister of Consumer Affairs entered the Chamber and took a seat on the left of the Chair.
Carter Chris: Local Government Law Reform Bill (No 3) — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Carter Chris: Local Government Law Reform Bill (No 3) — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:618;Page:14115] 
Hon CHRIS CARTER (Minister of Local Government) 
: 
 I move  
That it be an instruction to the Committee of the whole House on the Local Government Law Reform Bill (No 3) that it take the bill part by part 
. 
Motion agreed to.
Shirley Ken: Business Statement 
Shirley Ken: Business Statement 
[Volume:609;Page:6625] 
Hon KEN SHIRLEY (Deputy Leader—ACT NZ) 
: 
 Could I seek clarification from the Leader of the House about whether it is possible that the foreshore and seabed legislation will be taken under urgency next week?
Motions — Floods—Eastern Bay of Plenty 
Motions — Floods—Eastern Bay of Plenty 
[Volume:618;Page:14293] 
Motions 
Floods—Eastern Bay of Plenty 
Hon TONY RYALL (National—Bay Of Plenty) 
: 
 I move  
That the House note the recent severe flooding in the Eastern Bay of Plenty with consequent damage to homes farms roads and stopbanks; express its sympathy to the family of the late Mrs Beverley Freeman and further commend the tireless efforts of the emergency services and the many hundreds of volunteers assisting families and farmers in the huge recovery ahead. 
JANET MACKEY (Labour—East Coast) 
: 
 I concur with the sentiments expressed by the Hon Tony Ryall. Having visited the region yesterday I can testify to the strength and dedication of that community in repairing the damage and in moving on with their lives. I also want to draw special attention to those agencies both governmental and non-governmental that have moved right outside their comfort zones and core business to take their skills—skills that are not normally needed in that community but that are in demand now—and use them to help the people of the community rebuild their homes and their lives. I am sure that members of the Labour Party agree with the sentiments expressed by Mr Ryall and we wish the people of the community all the best for their redevelopment. 
PETER BROWN (Deputy Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 On behalf of my colleagues in New Zealand First I endorse the sentiments expressed in the Hon Tony Ryall’s motion and echoed by Janet Mackey. It is a dreadful disaster and it is absolutely beyond belief in many respects. It says much for the people of that area that they are showing such effort and determination to right things. On behalf of New Zealand First Party members and our members of Parliament I wish them all the very best in their endeavours. 
JEANETTE FITZSIMONS (Co-Leader—Green) 
: 
 On behalf of the Green Party I add our sympathies and very good wishes to the people affected by these terrible floods. It was a great shock for me to recognise on the front page of the  
New Zealand Herald  
a house that was teetering on the brink. I had stayed there not so long ago. It is occupied by a couple of prominent members of the Greens and we have been in email communication with them. Certainly the situation has been very very difficult for people there. I think the time has come when we need to work with local government to put in place preventative measures against this kind of climatic event which is going to become more frequent. 
JUDY TURNER (United Future) 
: 
 On behalf of United Future I extend our sympathies also to the people of Whakatane Edgecumbe affected areas of Opotiki and the Matata straight. I make the personal statement that I am extremely proud of my community for the way that people have pulled together and worked together through an extremely difficult time. I am very proud to be part of that community. 
Motion agreed to.
Vote: Social Security (Long-term Residential Care) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Social Security (Long-term Residential Care) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:622;Page:17360] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 81 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8. 
Noes 36 
New Zealand National 27; ACT New Zealand 9. 
Motion agreed to.
Vote: Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims Bill — In Committee Procedure Third Reading 
Vote: Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims Bill — In Committee Procedure Third Reading 
[Volume:626;Page:20987] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 57 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 9; United Future 8. 
Noes 62 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Marc Alexander to clause 21 be agreed to: 
to omit subparagraph (i) of paragraph (b) and substitute the following new subparagraph: 
(i)the close of the day that is 18 months after the sending date of the previous notice; and.
Vote: Prisoners' and Victims' Claims Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Vote: Prisoners' and Victims' Claims Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:626;Page:20949] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 53 
New Zealand National 26; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 6; United Future 8. 
Noes 62 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 371 in the name of Marc Alexander to clause 4 be agreed to.
Vote: Holidays Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Holidays Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:620;Page:16064] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 70 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 49 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Motion agreed to.
Peters Winston: Points of Order — Presentation of Report of Privileges Committee 
Peters Winston: Points of Order — Presentation of Report of Privileges Committee 
[Volume:610;Page:7634] 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I think this matter should be cleared up. There seems to be some confusion as to what has happened in terms of the procedure. As I understand it the matter was referred to the Privileges Committee to hear evidence as to whether the law affects Mr Duynhoven’s right to be here. That is very very clear. The second thing is that the House has to decide what it makes of the evidence presented to it by the Privileges Committee. That process is yet to be entered into. That being the case there is the fact that for a brief moment you will have to make a decision before the legislation is presumably passed to rectify this matter. I think the points of order thus far raised are erroneous. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The member is absolutely correct. 
GERRY BROWNLEE (NZ National—Ilam) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. Notwithstanding the contribution from Mr Peters the first point I make is that the deliberations of the Privileges Committee on this matter are not particularly relevant. The Solicitor-General has made it clear that there was a breach of the Act on 11 June 2003 and the seat became vacant. Are we now saying that the Privileges Committee is a body that can determine whether or not a ruling from the Solicitor-General is reasonable is fair and should be acted upon? If we are we would like you to reconsider a letter that you received from the Hon Nick Smith. Once again I ask this question: since  
Parliamentary Practice in New Zealand 
 by David McGee makes it very clear that we cannot use the Standing Orders or the practice of Parliament to reach a position that is contrary to the law how can anyone who is watching this process conclude that we are doing anything other than just that?
Visitors — Slovenia—Minister of Foreign Affairs 
Visitors — Slovenia—Minister of Foreign Affairs 
[Volume:615;Page:11581] 
Thursday 4 March 2004 
Mr Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Prayers 
. 
Visitors 
Slovenia—Minister of Foreign Affairs 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Honourable members I have much pleasure in informing you that His Excellency Dr DimitrijRupel Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Slovenia accompanied by the Minister of Foreign Affairs and Trade is within the precincts of the Chamber. I am sure that you would wish he be welcomed. 
His Excellency Dr DimitrijRupel accompanied by the Minister of Foreign Affairs and Trade entered the Chamber and took seats to the left of the Chair.
Sowry Roger: Land Transport Management Bill — Third Reading 
Sowry Roger: Land Transport Management Bill — Third Reading 
[Volume:613;Page:9805] 
Hon ROGER SOWRY (National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I wonder whether because there was a bit of noise around the Chamber the member who was on his feet thought his time had expired. If he believes that the bill is so good I am sure he wants to use more than 2 minutes. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: That is not a point of order. [ 
Interruption 
] I am sorry to interrupt the honourable member Brent Catchpole but I say to those two gentlemen one on my left and one on my right that they will desist. They have had their first yellow card.
Mallard Trevor: Maori Television Service Bill — In Committee 
Mallard Trevor: Maori Television Service Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:607;Page:5022] 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Minister of Education) 
: 
 I seek the leave of the Committee that at the conclusion of the debate on this part—whether it comes to an end or by the acceptance of a closure motion—we move to Part 2 of the bill and that the votes on Part 1 and any amendments thereto be taken on the next day that this bill is considered without debate 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich) 
: Leave has been sought. Is there any objection to that course of action?
Peters Winston: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Peters Winston: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:615;Page:10876] 
9.  
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First) 
 to the  
Minister of Immigration 
: How many people who have been served with deportation orders since February 2003 are still here and why? 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Before I call on the Minister she did advise me before this question was asked that her answer would be a little longer than usual. 
Hon LIANNE DALZIEL (Minister of Immigration) 
: 
 I am advised that since February 2003 17 deportation orders have been served. Five people have been deported. The remaining cases are either under appeal or have been overturned by the Deportation Review Tribunal or the person is still serving a prison sentence. In case the member actually meant removal orders rather than deportation orders I have been advised that there were 1117 removal orders served on people unlawfully in New Zealand between 1 February 2002 and 31 January 2004; 953 people were removed which means that 164 remain. These include people awaiting travel documentation as well as those individuals whose removal orders have been cancelled on humanitarian grounds or by order of the High Court. For example the recent Haji case is a case where the High Court has effectively prevented the removal order from being executed at this stage. 
Rt Hon Winston Peters 
: I tell the Minister that I was referring to deportation orders which is the original 17 and I want to know how Saied Ghanbari an Iranian illegal immigrant who has had a deportation order since June 2003 who has had trespass orders and a protection order placed on him for violent abusive and threatening behaviour and who is an alleged P user and a carrier of weapons is still residing in this country when the Immigration Service has been given all the details for him to be arrested but has said that it cannot do that until the police are free to help it obtain this man and send him home from whence he came. 
Hon LIANNE DALZIEL 
: I have often told that member that if he provides some information ahead of a question in the House I can come down with actual information. The member also knows that immigration officials do not have the power of arrest; they need to have the police arrest someone for them. 
Rt Hon Winston Peters 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. The fact of the matter is that the Minister said there were 17 deportation orders five of which could be subtracted and none of them includes this person. I do not think it is my job to do her job; otherwise give me the car and the house and I will start doing it properly. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The Minister gave an answer that was within the Standing Orders.
Pettis Jill: Civil Aviation Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Pettis Jill: Civil Aviation Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:610;Page:7402] 
JILL PETTIS (NZ Labour—Whanganui) 
: 
 I intend to take only a brief call. Although the bill deals with the security of passengers and with acceptable and unacceptable behaviour or lawful and unlawful behaviour on an aircraft there are other important provisions that relate to civil liability for delay in a domestic service and bring this law into the area of conformity in particular with the accident compensation scheme—transfers them from that Act to this legislation. 
There are other important provisions in this bill that contribute to aspects of the New Zealand Transport Strategy—for example in assisting economic development which is so important in this country; assisting personal safety and security; and improving access and mobility which is an important aspect that is sometimes overlooked with regard to the travelling public but is certainly something this Government has paid a great deal of attention to. I support this bill and I look forward to its rapid passage through the House. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Just before I call the next member I inform the House that the ACT party will get the next call. ACT has indicated it wishes to split its 10-minute call—one call to the honourable member Deborah Coddington and the other to the honourable member Stephen Franks.
Prebble Richard: Points of Order — Dominion Post Article 
Prebble Richard: Points of Order — Dominion Post Article 
[Volume:612;Page:9249] 
Hon RICHARD PREBBLE (Leader—ACT) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I thank you for that assurance. Perhaps the Government whip could now assure the House that the Government researchers were not given the advice that what they should do is provide you with a bottle of wine.
Robertson H V Ross: Human Assisted Reproductive Technology Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Robertson H V Ross: Human Assisted Reproductive Technology Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:620;Page:15912] 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: There are a number of clauses to vote on in Part 1— 
Simon Power 
: I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. Just as a point of clarification I have checked this with the Deputy Leader of the House but I want to make sure that from where you are sitting the leave sought to allow votes to be split is confirmed from the second reading through to the Committee stage. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I thank the honourable member for that and I do have it in front of me. Leave was given and it was agreed that notwithstanding Standing Order 144(1)(b) the party votes cast by a party on the Human Assisted Reproductive Technology Bill include numbers cast for the Ayes and the Noes and recorded abstentions. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Dr Paul Hutchison to clause 3 be agreed to: 
to delete from paragraph (a) after the word “individual” the words “but particularly those of women and children” and substitute the words “women men and children”.
Pettis Jill: Resource Management (Waitaki Catchment) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Pettis Jill: Resource Management (Waitaki Catchment) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:620;Page:15410] 
JILL PETTIS (Senior Whip—Labour) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Tisch Lindsay: Te Runanga o Ngati Awa Bill — First Reading 
Tisch Lindsay: Te Runanga o Ngati Awa Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:619;Page:15074] 
LINDSAY TISCH (Junior Whip—National) 
: 
 I seek leave for a party to cast votes on the Human Assisted Reproductive Technology Bill for the Ayes and the Noes and to record abstentions notwithstanding Standing Order 144(1)(b).
Brownlee Gerry: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Brownlee Gerry: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:624;Page:19040] 
GERRY BROWNLEE (Deputy Leader—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. Please consider what we are about to speak to you about. It relates to the transfer of this question. We accept that the Government can transfer questions. However it makes it difficult for the Opposition that when this question was first asked it was handled by the Minister of Customs as a customs issue. It was subsequently transferred to Dr Cullen because it was a finance question. Today following the Government’s expression at the time that it should be dealt with by the Minister of Finance we lodged the question to him. We appreciate that he is not here and we know that the Associate Minister of Finance is here yet we find that the issue has been shuffled by the Government to a third ministry. I accept that any Minister can answer a question but it is the question of whether the Opposition can pin an issue down to a ministry that we ask you to consider. We note that the Acting Minister of Finance is in the House. The question refers to the financial implications of the tax. That is surely the responsibility of the Minister of Finance and not of the Minister of Transport.
Parker David: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Parker David: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:614;Page:10444] 
7. DAVID PARKER (Labour—Otago) 
 to the  
Minister of Conservation 
: What progress has been made in providing environmentally sensitive tourism opportunities on conservation lands? 
Hon CHRIS CARTER (Minister of Conservation) 
: 
 Just last week I was privileged to open a coastal walkway at Milford Sound. It provides a new opportunity for the 450000 tourists who visit Milford Sound annually. This is an excellent example of how the tourism industry can work with my department to provide benefits for both conservation and the economy. 
David Parker 
: What role did the tourism industry play in the development of this walkway? 
Hon CHRIS CARTER 
: The tourism industry through the Milford Sound Development Authority helped to identify the need for land-based attractions at Milford Sound. It also helped to plan the walkway and provided approximately half the funding required to build it. It worked in partnership with the Department of Conservation the Ministry of Tourism and Ngai Tahu. 
Shane Ardern 
: In the light of the Minister’s answer to the primary question can he inform the House whether Department of Conservation staff chopping up rimu on Stewart Island or clear-felling timber in other parts of New Zealand is that new environmentally sensitive approach? 
Hon CHRIS CARTER 
: As far as Stewart Island is concerned my department has already apologised to the landowner concerned. People make mistakes. But I can say that the Department of Conservation engages very positively with organisations and individuals throughout New Zealand. 
Mike Ward 
: How is the privatisation of 35 kilometres of land adjacent to Lake Wanaka consistent with both the provision of environmentally sensitive tourism opportunities on conservation land and the Government’s review of public access? 
Hon CHRIS CARTER 
: I am not responsible for final decisions on tenure review. The tenure review proposals for that property are currently undergoing public consultation. 
Hon Ken Shirley 
: In recognition of the importance of tourism in Milford does the Minister support the proposal which will have a low environmental impact and is culturally sensitive and energy efficient of Ngai Tahu and Skyline Enterprises to build a gondola system through the Greenstone Valley linking Glenorchy with Milford and thereby saving the 12-hour day-trip from Queenstown to Milford? 
Hon CHRIS CARTER 
: Applications for tourism developments on the conservation estate go through a rigorous statutory process that includes an assessment of the environmental effects and public consultation. All cases rest on their merits.
Cullen Michael: Business Statement 
Cullen Michael: Business Statement 
[Volume:619;Page:15093] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 Next week in the House priority will be given to the first reading of the Ngati Awa Claims Settlement Bill and the remaining stages of the Fisheries Amendment Bill (No 3) the Maori Fisheries Bill and the Resource Management (Waitaki Catchment) Amendment Bill.
Mallard Trevor: Tabling of Documents — Question No. 2 to Minister 2 March 
Mallard Trevor: Tabling of Documents — Question No. 2 to Minister 2 March 
[Volume:615;Page:11497] 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Minister of Education) 
: 
 As many members are aware yesterday in this House I was accused by the Hon Bill English of suppressing documents. I now seek to table a letter from his office to me my reply to his office and the documents he alleged I suppressed—which are not at all related to the request he made. 
Documents by leave laid on the Table of the House.
Brown Peter: Electricity and Gas Industries Bill — In Committee 
Brown Peter: Electricity and Gas Industries Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:620;Page:15857] 
PETER BROWN (Deputy Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 My honourable colleague behind me Brian Connell has compelled me to get up to offer New Zealand First’s viewpoint. I have to say to my friend that I cannot recall making that statement at the Commerce Committee but I can tell members that New Zealand First has anguished over this part. We have genuine concerns. 
I have listened intently to all the speakers particularly the Minister Pete Hodgson—and I have to say Gordon Copeland. I thought he put his viewpoint very very well and New Zealand First is tending towards sharing that view. When I listened to my colleague behind me I began to get the impression that every trucking company in this country would have its own road—that is what it sounded like to me—unless the Government were to intervene and tell companies that they could not have all those roads and that they had to share them and make best use of them. It is the same with— 
Brian Connell 
: With a private road you wouldn’t expect that would you? 
PETER BROWN 
: With a private road one might but the Government would step in and say that there are not going to be 10 private roads. 
Brian Connell 
: This is not Government money we are talking about. 
PETER BROWN 
: We might well not be and that is a very valid point but we must remember that at the end of the day we want to get gas into the market at the cheapest possible price. If it is reasonable to share a processing facility a pipeline or whatever and it can reduce the price of gas then that is a reasonable way to do it. I do not profess to be a free marketeer as Gordon Copeland said he was. I know I am digressing a bit Mr Chairman but I cannot resist. I cannot understand how Gordon Copeland as a free marketeer would limit the lines companies to just 50 megawatts. People like me who do not profess to being a free-marketeer would give the lines companies a greater flexibility to invest— 
Brian Connell 
: We agree on something. 
PETER BROWN 
: We do agree on something. It is quite amazing. I just cannot make out how Gordon Copeland can say he is a free marketeer. Maybe he is a free marketeer on Tuesdays— 
Brian Connell 
: A free-market socialist! 
PETER BROWN 
: Yes a free-market socialist and then something different on Wednesdays. New Zealand First has listened intently to the explanations given and we are persuaded by the Minister’s viewpoint and by United Future’s viewpoint. In the short calls that those members have taken a number of concerns that New Zealand First has had about this part have been answered. We believe that there needs to be some regulation and some rules that are fair objective and can deliver gas at a reasonable price. We think this will do it. We will support this part.
Smith Lockwood: Public Finance (State Sector Management) Bill — In Committee 
Smith Lockwood: Public Finance (State Sector Management) Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:622;Page:17949] 
Dr the Hon LOCKWOOD SMITH (National—Rodney) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I seek your clarification on how members can vote. I am unaware of whether members in casting votes can cast a vote for the time being or for now. Votes are cast on the vote but the Labour member in casting the votes for the Progressive party said: “Two votes at least for now.” or words to that effect. I do not believe that one can record votes that are not actually made definitively with regard to the question at hand.
Collins Judith: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Collins Judith: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
[Volume:626;Page:21056] 
JUDITH COLLINS (National—Clevedon) 
: 
 I seek the leave of the House to table some documents in relation to question No. 11. The first is a time line headed the “Claire Austin timeline” detailing the series of events from questions and answers given to and received from the Minister. 
Document by leave laid on the Table of the House. 
JUDITH COLLINS 
: I seek the leave of the House to table the answer to question for written answer No. 6434. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to table the answer to that question. Is there any objection? Yes there is. 
JUDITH COLLINS 
: I seek the leave of the House to table question for written answer No. 6051 and its answer. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to table that. Is there any objection? Yes. 
JUDITH COLLINS 
: I seek the leave of the House to table question for written answer No. 6265 and its answer. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to table that document. Is there any objection? Yes there is. 
JUDITH COLLINS 
: I seek the leave of the House to table question for written answer No. 6266 and its answer. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to table that document. Is there any objection? Yes there is.
Hereora Dave: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Hereora Dave: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:622;Page:17381] 
8.  
DAVE HEREORA (Labour) 
 to the  
Associate Minister of Communications 
: What has the Government done to make telephone services available to deaf hearing-impaired and speech-impaired people? 
Hon DAVID CUNLIFFE (Associate Minister of Communications) 
: 
 Recently Ruth Dyson and I launched New Zealand Relay which is a telephone service for deaf hearing-impaired and speech-impaired people. For the first time this community will be able to pick up a telephone and stay in touch with friends family and employers. It lets them participate in society as equals. The service is the result of a lot of work between the Deaf community the Government and the telecommunications industry. 
Dave Hereora 
: How many people will benefit from the use of this service? 
Hon DAVID CUNLIFFE 
: Ruth Dyson and I expect that most of the estimated 7000 New Zealanders who are deaf or have a significant hearing impairment will want to use this service. For each person a whole network of friends and family and service providers will be able to stay in touch in a way that most of us take for granted. This Government is committed to having an inclusive society and that means creating the opportunity for deaf and hearing-impaired people to participate fully in the use of telecommunications.
Vote: Taxation (Annual Rates Venture Capital and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Taxation (Annual Rates Venture Capital and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:621;Page:16583] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 70 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 50 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; Maori Party 1; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Motion agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 287 in the name of the Hon Dr Michael Cullen to clause 4 be agreed to.
Field Taito Phillip: Resource Management (Waitaki Catchment) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Field Taito Phillip: Resource Management (Waitaki Catchment) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:619;Page:15296] 
Hon TAITO PHILLIP FIELD (Minister of State) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.