Tuiono Teanau; Genter Julie AnneLAND TRANSPORT (CLEAN VEHICLE DISCOUNT SCHEME REPEAL) AMENDMENT BILLIn CommitteeDebate resumed.Part 2 Amendments repeals and revocations concerning other enactments (continued)CHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono): Members when the committee suspended on the Land Transport (Clean Vehicle Discount Scheme Repeal) Amendment Bill we were debating Part 2. Part 2 is the debate on clauses 18 to 26 Amendments repeals and revocations concerning other enactments" and Schedules 3 and 4. The question again is that Part 2 stand part.Hon JULIE ANNE GENTER (Green—Rongotai): Tēnā koe Mr Chair. Thank you very much. I have been taking a call since the debate on Part 2 started so I really appreciate the opportunity to take this call. I have some questions for the Minister. Clause 26 in Part 2 revokes all of the regulations of the Land Transport Clean Vehicle Discount Scheme charges and those I believe are the regulations which put in place the charges related to the carbon emissions of the vehicle. So my question to the Minister is about the impact this will have on New Zealand's carbon budget beyond the first budget beyond 2025. What advice has he received on the impact out to 2030? Has he asked any questions about the fiscal risk or cost of not meeting our 2030 carbon budget and the potential penalties from the EU given that our free-trade agreement (FTA) with the EU specifies that we will be taking action and if we are not seen to be taking serious action to meet our 2030 commitments there will be penalties under that FTA.So I guess my question to the Minister is just really about the advice that he's received about modelling of the impacts beyond 2025 of repealing these regulations what impacts that will have on the vehicles supplied into the New Zealand market to the average emissions of the vehicles in the fleet and then whether or not he's received any advice about a risk or fiscal cost related to increased emissions as a result of repealing this bill.In addition to those questions I haven't had a chance to go up and check the Table to see if we did get an enlarged picture of the energy economy label.Hon Dr Megan Woods: It is there.Hon JULIE ANNE GENTER: That's great. I'll have to go and look at that more closely so that I can read all of the wording on that energy economy label.But I guess firstly I'd like to thank the Minister and the Government for retaining the energy efficiency labelling. That level of consumer information is extremely important so that people can easily assess the vehicle that they're looking at buying what it might cost to run what the carbon emissions related to it might be. I think it is a useful label. But I'm wondering if the Minister has received any specific advice on what impact the label would have on consumer behaviour relative to a price incentive. Because we know from the Climate Commission report that was released the day before yesterday that the Climate Commission has provided evidence and a recommendation to the Government that there needs to be a specific step taken to deal with the upfront cost barriers of purchasing a lower- or zero-emissions vehicle. That's exactly what the Clean Car Discount was designed to address. It was to reduce cost barriers to getting into low-emissions and zero-emissions vehicles for New Zealanders. So I'm just wondering if he has any advice on how the label will actually make it easier for people to purchase a vehicle compared to an actual discount in price which would address the fundamental barrier that has been pointed out by the Climate Commission to the Government that we need to address the cost barriers.So I'll just summarise my questions one more time because I realise I've said quite a few and I want to make sure the Minister has an opportunity to answer them. Did he receive any advice about the risk or fiscal cost to New Zealand of not meeting our 2030 carbon reduction commitments as a result of repealing this legislation? And what impact would a labelling scheme have on consumer behaviour? But especially what impact would it have relative to a price incentive which actively reduces the cost of getting into a zero-emissions vehicle relative to a very high-emissions vehicle?"