Brash Don: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Brash Don: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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1. Dr DON BRASH (Leader of the Opposition) 
 to the  
Prime Minister 
: What steps has she taken to satisfy herself about the actions of members of her executive named in the Ingram report? 
Rt Hon HELEN CLARK (Prime Minister) 
: 
 I have read the report. I have discussed the matter with those concerned. 
Dr Don Brash 
: What has the Prime Minister done to clarify the “real uncertainty” identified by Dr Ingram as to exactly when the then Associate Minister of Immigration Damien O’Connor knew that the Thai national on whose behalf Taito Phillip Field was seeking a ministerial discretion was also working on Mr Field’s house in Samoa? 
Rt Hon HELEN CLARK 
: I have seen the report in which Dr Ingram sets out what he believes to have been the most likely sequence of events. I accept his judgment on that. I also accept his judgment that the decision made by Mr O’Connor may be regarded as a justifiable exercise of that broad discretionary statutory power he had. 
Dr Don Brash 
: Is the Prime Minister aware of the clear evidence presented by New Zealand Immigration Service officials including an explicit file note and a telephone record that Mr O’Connor knew that Mr Siriwan was working on Mr Field’s house in Samoa prior to his granting him a work permit; if not why not? 
Rt Hon HELEN CLARK 
: I am aware of the report and I am aware of the evidence of the officials. I am also aware of the evidence of the private secretary and I am aware that she was clear that she was unaware of the information at the time Mr O’Connor made his decision. 
Dr Don Brash 
: Why does the Prime Minister choose to ignore a phone log and a file note from the head of the Samoa office of the Immigration Service both of which make it clear that Mr O’Connor knew that Mr Siriwan was working on Mr Field’s house 14 days before he granted the work permit and instead accept the bland statements of Mr O’Connor who told a newspaper yesterday that he could not remember when he was told? 
Rt Hon HELEN CLARK 
: The member needs to read the report carefully because Dr Ingram does not draw the inference that Mr O’Connor knew about that issue when he made the decision. 
Dr Don Brash 
: What assurances has she sought from the Hon Paul Swain and the Hon Phil Goff regarding their visit to Mr Field’s house in Samoa and has she asked them whether they discussed the status of the Thai national while they were at that house? 
Rt Hon HELEN CLARK 
: I discussed these matters with those Ministers back in September or October last year when the matters became public and I am absolutely satisfied that neither of them knew the identity of anybody hanging around the house at the time. [ 
Interruption 
] 
Madam SPEAKER 
: I called Dr Don Brash but in the barrage of course no one heard me. So would members please just keep the level down. 
Dr Don Brash 
: Is the Prime Minister seriously asking this House to accept that Mr O’Connor exercised his discretion without knowing of Mr Field’s involvement despite the clear evidence from the file note and the phone log that he did; that Mr Swain the then Minister of Immigration visited Mr Field’s house in Samoa and met the Thai nationals working on Mr Field’s house without realising whom he had met; and that Mr Field who had gone to great lengths to get Mr Siriwan to Samoa did not realise he was actually working on his house there—because that effectively is what she is asking the House to swallow? 
Rt Hon HELEN CLARK 
: I am advising the House to accept Dr Ingram’s conclusions which do not bear out the smears of the Leader of the Opposition. 
Rodney Hide 
: Has the Prime Minister ever asked Taito Phillip Field whether he was advocating to Ministers on behalf of illegal immigrants in return for favours; if not why did she not ask him; if so what was his response? 
Rt Hon HELEN CLARK 
: I obviously as leader of the Labour Party have had contact with Mr Field on this matter over quite a long period of time and I am satisfied that he did not make such requests. 
Rodney Hide 
: In relation to the Ingram report was the Prime Minister concerned to learn that the honourable Taito Phillip Field was writing as a member of Parliament to advocate that people vote for the Labour ticket including for a man whom Mr Field knew was to go up on fraud charges and indeed that Mr Phillip Field was using parliamentary resources in order to do so—was that par for the course for Labour MPs? 
Rt Hon HELEN CLARK 
: I would be very surprised if Labour members of Parliament were not supporting Labour candidates in their area. Of course from time to time candidates of political parties do let their parties down like the ACT candidate who posed as a paraplegic to collect money and kept a lot of it for himself. 
Rodney Hide 
: I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. It may be that the Prime Minister chose not to address my question but my concern was actually the use of parliamentary resources. Am I to take it that the Prime Minister has no objection to Labour MPs using parliamentary resources to advocate in a local government election on behalf of a Labour ticket just as she did with her $400000 pledge card? 
Madam SPEAKER 
: There is no ministerial responsibility for that matter.