Mitchell Mark; Andersen GinnyHon MARK MITCHELL (National—Whangaparāoa): Just in relation to the boot camps it amazes me that I cannot find one Labour member—and I challenge the Minister because I don't think she has either. It's deeply insulting to our defence personnel to our police mentors to our Ministry of Social Development (MSD) staff to the community organisations that are supporting and running our Limited Service Volunteers (LSV) programme out of Whenuapai Trentham and Burnham and who take young people from 17 through into their 20s that have been in trouble with the law—sometimes they've been in jail. They get an eight-week intensive programme and they're running on a 70 percent success rate. So who's challenging that on the other side?Marja Lubeck: It's not a boot camp.Hon MARK MITCHELL: Because I would invite them—Marja Lubeck; no surprise. Go along to the LSV. Front up to the LSV and actually—they're all shaking their heads. You of all people should know how successful this programme is. 'Hon Member: It's not a boot camp. Hon MARK MITCHELL: Oh it's not a boot camp? Well that's your term. You're the one that uses boot camp". It's a military academy to us.CHAIRPERSON (Greg O'Connor): No Mr Mitchell; I don't use any term.Hon MARK MITCHELL: Sorry Mr Chair. This is the ignorance: they just fired back at us "It's not a boot camp." You're right. It's not a boot camp; it's a military academy. So thank you very much to the Labour member that just highlighted the fact that it's not a boot camp; it's the LSV programme and it works. And I want to challenge—Hon Gerry Brownlee: Tell you what; that whole back row's all gone.Hon MARK MITCHELL: Absolutely. I totally agree with you Mr Brownlee. It just shows the absolute ignorance that's generated from the other side.So Minister I would ask you—I would make a genuine plea to you: go along and visit the LSV programme—the Limited Service Volunteers programme that's run out of Whenuapai and Trentham and in Burnham. I'd like you to go and meet the soldiers the men and women of our Defence Force that run that. I'd like you to meet with our police mentors. I'd like you to meet with the MSD staff that are deeply passionate about it and who are delivering the 70 percent success rate. Then I'd like you to come back to this House—all of you—and say that it doesn't work and the work that they've been doing for the last 14 years is a failure because it's not; it's hugely successful. We believe passionately that it's the best way to invest in our young people that are off the rails and to prevent them from going into the adult criminal justice system.Minister I'm pleased that you have stood and you have said publicly that the fiscal restraint that has been applied to the police is going to have no negative impact on the districts—they are not going to lose any staff they are not going to lose any resource and they're not going to have Police National Headquarters staff telling their staff how to and when they can take their time off in lieu and their annual leave. Thank you Minister for clarifying that.Hon GINNY ANDERSEN (Minister of Police): I'd just like to thank the member for that contribution and note that he really backs the Limited Service Volunteers courses because I just had a quick look and he might want to look himself just to bring himself up to speed. But if he googles Limited Service Volunteers courses at Trentham in 2015 a cut was made under the then National Government funding from 15 to 1800 places. It was cut under National and it was a real loss. So I just would like to point out that if he thought it was such a successful programme then why was it cut?So what the investment has been from this Government is into programmes like Kotahi Te Whakaaro and also like the Circuit Breaker programme because that happens at the first time that people are presenting and it's an intervention that when the research is backed up we know that it works. We know that those return rates of young people that go through those courses do turn their lives around and it's the best way of getting them younger. So I suggest that maybe the reason his own Government cut that course was maybe they read their own research.CHAIRPERSON (Greg O'Connor): The Minister's time in the chair has come to an end."