Delahunty CatherineCATHERINE DELAHUNTY (Green): I take a call on two aspects of these Estimates and there is so much in this. I find the name a bit problematic: Māori other populations and cultural sector. Other" is sort of "othering" people who actually have a very legitimate place in this country and very legitimate things to talk about. But I am just going to talk a little bit about Vote Māori Development and Vote Treaty Negotiations. I am only a part-time temporary member of the Māori Affairs Committee and do not have the knowledge of my colleagues. I am not there for the Appropriations or Estimates. However today I do need to speak for the Greens on this and I am not going to pretend to be neutral. I do not think I ever have in any circumstance really so I do not see any reason to start.The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Trevor Mallard): I'm not expecting you to break the habit of a lifetime.CATHERINE DELAHUNTY: No; nor I. I have got only a few more speeches left; I may as well go hard. Also I think neutrality is fairly mythical. Everybody brings a clever little bias especially in this place.Getting on with the Estimates there is a lot of interesting appropriation of money here and it is very hard to assess unless you go into the detail but one of the things that concerns me is that there is only a total of $71 million for Whānau Ora outcomes including Whānau Ora navigators from non-Government commissioning agencies.The reason I raise this is that Whānau Ora as introduced to this House by the Hon Tariana Turia was a programme that we the Greens could understand as being a once-in-a-generation transformative complete overhaul of how the welfare system has failed to work for Māori. It was the vision of Dame Tariana Turia because she was so aware of that failure. It has always been under-invested in and $71 million is again an under-investment. It really is. We actually need to spend a whole lot more money than that if we are serious about the potential of this programme which has great potential but is still underfunded. So I just want to make that point.I want to note also that there is some funding for Māori women's development which is always good to see but what is sobering alongside that I think is the fact that for Māori women—and I saw the statistics today—the gender pay gap is 24 percent; for Pasifika women it is 28 percent and for the rest of us it is 12 percent. That just tells you that funds like this in this Estimate will not do anything until we address the gender pay gap for low-paid Māori and Pasifika women workers. It is a disgrace that it is double the gender pay gap for Pākehā women in particular at 12 percent—and that is a disgrace in itself. So we have got a long way to go and therefore Vote Māori Development is not totally satisfactory because of the fact that it is still underfunded.The other Estimate I want to address is Vote Treaty Negotiations. There are a number of things in here that are concerning in principle that I wanted to talk about. There is money here which I want to support that was a contribution to the Parihaka community engagement with the Crown support package. I was one of the privileged people who went to Parihaka on the day of the apology and I fully support this process. What it tells me is that full and final settlement which is what a lot of this appropriation is about is not and should not be the goal. We need a peace process and that is why this particular small part of it for Parihaka is being looked at by other tangata whenua groups who have had the trauma of colonisation and the brutality of the loss of their land and culture. Settling is not what is required; it is honouring that is required.So the funding that was put into the Parihaka process which is just the beginning of the healing is very important because it steps outside the narrow definition that this Government has had—and in fact several Governments—that all we do with Te Tiriti in this Whare is settle claims. Actually that is a complete misunderstanding of the breadth and depth of our founding document. So this Estimate talks a lot about the money being set aside for assisting tangata whenua mana whenua to establish their takutai moana and that again is a waste of money because that relationship with takutai moana should never have been broken. They do not have to prove a thing."