Hipkins ChrisCHRIS HIPKINS (Labour—Rimutaka): I am very excited about this because I get to talk about my remaining Supplementary Order Paper (SOP). I am actually not sure what number it is because I have got the earlier draft but it inserts new clause 130A which in effect would give—Tracey Martin: 305.CHRIS HIPKINS: SOP 305 is it? Thank you very much. In effect it would give the teaching community the ability to elect membership of the Education Council. This is something that has come very much to the fore in the last week or two following the Education Council's decision to release its draft fee structure for the coming years.The Education Council has a mixed history in terms of the debate around its establishment. I am not going to rehash all of that now. That would certainly prolong the debate extensively and I do not want to do that but I want to say that the council is off to a good start and I do want to give the new Education Council credit for that. It is doing a good job of winning the support and respect of the teaching profession and I want to acknowledge that. But there has been a bit of heat around its proposal to significantly increase—more than double—the fees that teachers pay for their practising certificates each year. That has generated some resentment from the teaching community not necessarily because it is not willing to pay that fee but because if it objects to it it has no real ability to change the council. There is no election to the membership of the council and I believe in that basic principle of no taxation without representation. So if the council is going to have the power to tax members of the teaching community which it does then the teaching community should have the ability to elect representatives on that council and that is what my Supplementary Order Paper does.So just to run through the main provisions of it it would still allow the Minister to appoint six of the 13 members of the council—so not quite the majority but the balance of the members—and that would ensure that there can still be a good diversity and a good representative spread amongst the membership but the majority of the members would be elected by the profession. So the seven elected members would be drawn first from the early childhood sector—elected by early childhood teachers—then from the primary sector and then the secondary sector. One teacher educator would be elected from teacher education providers. One of the things the Education Council does now is regulate the standards for initial teacher education so having teacher educators represented on the council makes a lot of sense. There would be a principal representing the primary sector a principal representing the secondary sector—and the intermediates would have to decide which of those they wanted to be included under—and there would be a head teacher senior teacher or supervisor representing early childhood education. So it ensures that those three parts of the system—early childhood primary and secondary schools—all have representatives both at the practising level or the teaching level and at the leadership level and it then gives the Minister the power to appoint the balance of members to ensure a good diversity and spread on the council. I support the SOP I have put forward naturally and I commend it to the Committee.The other part of this provision that I would like to address at this stage is the disestablishment of Careers New Zealand. I sat on the Government Administration Committee and the Education and Science Committee and I cannot remember which one Careers New Zealand reported to. I think it was the Education and Science Committee. But effectively where some of its most recent presentations got to was that it has departed a long way from the remit it had when it was first set up and effectively now it runs a very good website. But the question is whether we need a separate statutory body to run a website. I am not convinced that we do so I support the disestablishment of Careers New Zealand. If what it is doing is running a website then actually that can be done by any number of other Government departments and probably much more efficiently.The second fundamental question to ask is where careers advice is best delivered. I think the best careers advice is advice that is intricately linked with the individual student's programme of study. Therefore it is actually best delivered within the institutions both tertiary and secondary that young people—and older people—are studying within. I take the example of a year 9 student beginning secondary school for example. The careers advice that is going to be best for them is advice around how they design their NCEA programme of study as they progress through secondary school.