Grigg Nicola; Tinetti JanNICOLA GRIGG (National—Selwyn): Thank you Madam Chair; thank you Minister. I just wondered—I sat in on the select committee and I think we all agree it was all very technical and complicated at times so for anyone a layperson could you please explain just the general process? If an objectionable live stream is occurring how does the report mechanism work how does the take-down notice work? Just in simple layman's terms.CHAIRPERSON (Hon Jacqui Dean): I'm seeking a call.NICOLA GRIGG: Further to that Minister you've talked about the fact that there's no extraterritorial application. I know that was a concern for many. I just have a couple of questions on that in that how does one police multinational platforms like your Facebooks and your YouTubes? And secondly how will this bill prevent those sharing objectionable material who are actively averting the law by using virtual private networks?Hon JAN TINETTI (Minister of Internal Affairs): So Madam Chair I wanted to just double-check on that because I think it's really important that we get that as you say in layman's terms or laypeople's terms I should say. Because the member is so right—it is incredibly technical.So basically right there we can—and this is simplifying it a little bit as well in this particular instance because it is quite complex even though it can be quite quick. So the department would ask the chief censor to make an interim classification. At that particular point in time that interim classification is able to then determine the take-down notice and so the department will be working on the take-down notice and that gives them time then to solidify that interim classification into that.I didn't quite get the member's question about the extraterritorial—I heard that in the background as I was listening there. I wonder if the member would mind repeating that for me please.Nicola Grigg: Certainly. I'm sure it falls within the Standing Orders Madam Chair?CHAIRPERSON (Hon Jacqui Dean): If the member seeks the call it does.Nicola Grigg: May I please Madam Chair?CHAIRPERSON (Hon Jacqui Dean): Nicola Grigg.NICOLA GRIGG (National—Selwyn): Thank you Minister. I understand that you were talking at the time and fully appreciate that—there's a lot to take on board—but it was around the extraterritorial nature of the application in that how will we as a jurisdiction here in New Zealand police the multinational platforms like the YouTubes and the Facebooks when a live stream could potentially be being streamed from offshore? And slightly related to that how will this bill prevent those sharing objectionable material or live streaming it if they are trying to actively avert the law by using virtual private networks?Hon JAN TINETTI (Minister of Internal Affairs): Thank you Madam Chair. I'm really happy that you could re-ask that because it is a really important point there that this work doesn't happen in isolation in New Zealand alone. We have international partners that we are working with on this material and I think the member might have been part of a group that went over to the department and had a look and a talk with the people who are working in this area and an understanding of just how wide this work is and the amount of collaboration that happens internationally. So the international partners work together.The take-down notices here are really important because it sends a signal from New Zealand law which we haven't had before because it's been that voluntary process. But this take-down notice as it stands at the moment will send a message that that's New Zealand law and our international partners will be able to work in that area with those big players that are based internationally as well. I know that the member will get a sense of this from the work that you have done going over to the department and talking with those people but the work that they do is incredibly important and is a real credit to the people who are working in that area.A party vote was called for on the question That Part 2 be agreed to.Ayes 110New Zealand Labour 65; New Zealand National 33; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 10; Te Paati Maori 2.Noes 10ACT New Zealand 10.Part 2 agreed to.