Henare PeeniHon PEENI HENARE (Minister of Civil Defence): Tēnā koe Madam Chair. Thank you very much for this opportunity to contribute to the robust debate on this bill as it proceeds through the house. I have a couple of questions that I'll lay out throughout my contribution. The first one if I can—and I know this is something in particular that the Minister is certainly well versed in if you like. But I'm curious when we look at the bill being proposed when you look where it says After section 17(4) insert: (4A)" and then it goes down a long list after it says "In assessing the benefits and negative impacts of a proposed transfer under subsection (4) a local authority must have regard to the following matters:". I know the Minister touched on it briefly in her first contribution and I want to go all the way down to paragraph (e) because in that particular part it says "existing communities of interest and the extent to which the proposed transfer will maintain linkages between communities (including iwi and hapū) and sites and resources of significance to them." Now for those who have even a short time of experience in this House one will know that whenever we start looking at those kinds of interests of hapū and iwi and how we might protect them into the future one can't help but ask the questions about are we doing enough to make sure that their particular interests are being considered. I know it's a rather big part there but when we consider the way iwi and hapū consider resources of significance to them I'm curious as to whether or not—CHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley): Sorry to interrupt the member but we're just having difficulty finding the clause that you're referring to—just to help the Minister? Hon PEENI HENARE: I'm reading here in clause 7 "After section 17(4) insert: (4A)" and then it goes all the way down a very long list. Like I say the Minister mentioned it briefly at the beginning and I always like to take the opportunity in this part to ask a question a couple of simple questions because I think they're relevant. One as tribes have settled across the country I in my short time in the House here have noticed strong parts of legislation that allow them to be actively involved in local government. I think those are important because much of that actually relates to the way resources are looked after and the way sites of significance and other things are managed. The other part to that which I think is fringe but relevant is actually the way hapū and iwi consider other communities who partake in those resources who live within those boundaries. It's those kinds of questions that I always like to ask when we look at including clear words—like in this particular instance where it says "(including iwi and hapū) and sites and resources of significance to them."Another part of that is the same question I ask in other times when I see this where it does talk about tikanga and history and what it means to them. But like I've already mentioned the Minister has already made it clear that in her work on this particular part—if she can perhaps explain it a little bit more because it does cover some of it in there but it just makes it a very clear part in the one that I'm talking to because earlier you'll see Madam Chair that in proposed section 17(3A) it does talk about those Treaty of Waitangi claims. But as that process evolves I'm wondering if there are any implications on that. Before I take my seat the only other one that I wanted and hoped that the Minister could provide a little explanation on was that it says in clause 5(2) "In section 6(1) insert in their appropriate alphabetical order:" and it goes through and it flips over to page 12 and it includes in there "or Greater Wellington Rail Limited". As an Aucklander I'm always curious why in there it says here it does not include the "Auckland Transport"—and OK that's fine. I'm just curious as to why it says "or Greater Wellington Rail Limited". That's perhaps what a Māori would term kūare but I'm hoping that the Minister will at least indulge me in helping me understand why that particular part is in there when I consider also that the original bill has "Auckland Transport" as well. CHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley): I call—oh gosh it's one of those nights. Clayton Mitchell: Clayton Mitchell. CHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley): I call Clayton Mitchell."