Garcia Paulo; Meager James; O'Connor Greg; Kuriger BarbaraPAULO GARCIA (National—New Lynn): Thank you Madam Chair. My question has to do Part 1. So first on Part 1 I understand from Mr O'Connor that the most usual case which the bill seeks to prevent is offending from people who are known to the children that they violate and cause violence to. And there's a possibility that there would be families connected to them in New Zealand as well as overseas.And the question that I have for Part 1 because the bill specifies that we should monitor their movements and that they are required to provide their addresses and all of their details as they leave and where they will reside what accounts for situations Mr O'Connor where they have given addresses for where they are headed but they will be on the move regardless? And on the move—I understand that you did mention that these are you know low-life types who may not be super-sophisticated and who prey on children that are within their reach particularly those that are known to them. But could they be on the move and how is it that the bill could address that kind of movement from the addresses that they have already provided?Also speaking to Part 1 my question has to do with providing the Police with the opportunity to prepare and inform offenders that this will be put in place so that there will be an opportunity for everyone to be informed and to move accordingly and proceed on the basis that they are completely informed and have the opportunity to comply and be aware that the registration and the requirement for tracking their movement overseas will have already been in place. Thank you.JAMES MEAGER (National—Rangitata): I have some questions on clause 5 which we have barely barely touched in the past 45 to 50 minutes that we've been up here. And it is of course the clause around privacy. And I had two questions for the member. The first one was that I've been through the submissions and I can't recall seeing anything significant from the Privacy Commissioner. Now we are dealing with a proposed section which would involve the sharing of personal information so I wonder whether the member had any insight as to whether or not we didn't receive some advice initially from the Privacy Commissioner—or Priv-a-see" Commissioner depending on who you ask in the House these days—because of course those parts of the submissions were done in the previous term where many members weren't here. So if the member has any knowledge of the views of the Privacy Commissioner on that particular clause I'd be very interested in that.And then secondly just on clause 5(1)—and it's an interpretation question really and I'll read it out for you. It reads "A specified agency may disclose personal information" and then it lists a range of purposes and the purposes include "monitoring … whereabouts:" "managing … risk or threat to public safety." and "managing … risk that the offender may commit further sexual offences against children:" and I wondered whether or not we may have missed a beat here when we say that the agency may disclose personal information. Should that or could that not be "must disclose personal information"? If the purpose of this clause is to manage risks or threats to public safety to manage the risks to offenders and one agency requests or requires that information currently the only obligation on the agency that holds the information is that they may disclose it and there is no actual obligation on them to disclose it. It's not the mandatory; it's only permissive. So I wonder in the time remaining that we have officials with us whether or not the member could possibly consult his officials as to whether or not a change would be appropriate there because the risk I think we find with this is that while we have a lot of confidence in our agencies and we have a lot of confidence that they work well together and would share information where appropriate it may be that there are some tensions between two agencies where one thinks that it is not appropriate to share that information but the other thinks it is incredibly important to receive the information for monitoring for managing risks and for managing risks against children. So I wonder whether or not to change it from "may" to "must" would be appropriate. And I think that this is the only stage that we really do get to consider that particular issue. And I know that we are possibly drawing towards the end of this of the part but if the member could respond to that first question about privacy then perhaps that gives officials 30 seconds or so to offer a view as to whether or not a change would be appropriate. And if a change was appropriate I'm sure Dr Webb has plenty of blank paper at his desk that we could scribble on a quick amendment to table in the House and then consider that amendment. But I'd like the member to at least consider that.GREG O'CONNOR (Labour—Ōhāriu): Yeah look I haven't had a specific interaction with the Privacy Commissioner on this. However in relation to clause 5 remember it amends section 43 of the Act and the criteria of the Act enables "(1) A specified agency" to provide "personal information in the register to another … agency for …(a) monitoring the whereabouts of the offender: (b) verifying personal information reported by the offender:"—which is all very important material to monitor it—"(c) managing the risk that the offender may commit further sexual" offending and "(d) managing any risk or threat to public safety." So I think when you look at the criteria that are met they pretty much cover what we're looking to do or what I'm certainly looking to do with this bill because that is the criteria applied. And any of those four criteria will trigger the release of that information. Bearing in mind this is information that the agency has which is not on the register already; it's the type of information you're talking to. And that's the criteria that is applied. It's fairly comprehensive really as far as ensuring—and that was certainly what I gave me the comfort shall we say that the member's discussing.James Meager: Madam Chair. CHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger): I'll let you ask a quick question while the member's just getting his head round the answers that have just been put in front of him."