Walker HamishHAMISH WALKER (National—Clutha-Southland): Thank you Madam Chair Williams. Being a humble member from Clutha-Southland I thank you for giving me a go in front of the Hon Michael Woodhouse and the Hon Nick Smith here—two Ministers that I have looked up to for a number of years. Madam Chair I just want to start by congratulating you on your role. It's a bit like refereeing rugby. I've been a referee for 10 years and if this was a game of rugby it's great that our team's got 56 points and your team's got 46 points Labour. Over the years of refereeing rugby I've seen some bad calls in my time—a few first-class rugby games 50-plus premier games; I thought I'd seen it all. I thought I'd seen some pretty bad spectators and some pretty bad calls—that's until I got to Parliament so I look forward to the friendly banter over the years. I'd just like to congratulate the class of '17" from both sides of the House and in particular list MP Mark Patterson—looking forward to working with you Mark to progress the interests of our people.Simeon Brown: Thanks Hamish.HAMISH WALKER: My concern with this commencement—and of course Simeon Brown. Thanks Simeon.My concern with this bill is the imposed costs on tenants and also around the lack of detail. For a number of years in my previous life I ran a property management company; we managed a few hundred rental properties. So I've been into hundreds of rental properties. I've done hundreds of inspections. I've met probably thousands of tenants hundreds of landlords and this bill gives no detail for the landlords. I used to run landlord seminars and what they need is a sense of the framework.Hon Michael Woodhouse: What would you tell them?HAMISH WALKER: Exactly Mr Woodhouse—what would you tell them? The lack of detail is very very concerning. I urge the Minister of Housing and Urban Development: if he can basically update the bill with some detail. It would give investors a lot more clarity and structure around the bill. The seminars that I have run in the past talking to different landlords—they just need a clear framework and with this bill it's so sparse with detail you could actually run a bus through it. What are you going to tell these landlords?I just want to congratulate the previous National Government on insulating nearly 200000 homes—sorry 340000 homes and counting. By July 2019 all private homes will be insulated. That's a pretty spectacular achievement. That's excellent. I put that down to the Hon Nick Smith there and I congratulate him—Hon Member: The team.HAMISH WALKER: —and the team of course for this.This title is complete fabrication as there's no guarantee—Hon Andrew Little: I raise a point of order Madam Chairperson. I don't want to sound like I'm beating an old drum but again the members opposite agreed on a clause by clause debate. It's pretty strict in scope: we're on clause 2; it is about commencement. I think that member mentioned the word "commencement" once which is fine for the first 30 seconds but actually we're now kind of three minutes into the contribution. These debates in the committee of the whole House require a strict application to the scope so we need to hear about commencement.Hon Dr Nick Smith: That might have some merit if it was not for the fact that Government member Mr Ron Mark the other further Government member gave a very wide-ranging speech. The Minister took a speech from the chair and actually made a very wide record about all sorts of housing issues that are well beyond the commencement—The CHAIRPERSON (Poto Williams): Thank you—[Interruption] Thank you. I thank the member—thank you both for your comments. I do agree we are starting to range. This is a very very specific clause. I would encourage the member to stay to the specifics of the clause.HAMISH WALKER: Thank you Madam Chair and thank you Andrew Little for pulling me up on that. It's great to have your experience in the committee.I'd just like to finish my comment on the commencement of this date with a comment by Andrew King who is the investors' president: "The new regulations"—this was the quote from the national regulations implemented a few years ago—"appear reasonable. We have been saying for years that a full rental property [WoF] actually isn't in the best interest of [the] tenants. It is expensive to administer and comply … and would no doubt be added to over time with the potential to take some properties out of the rental pool."I just want to talk about a constituent who came and saw me last week. He's a young guy early 30s married with two kids. He owns one rental property trying to get into a second rental property and he said to me "Hamish there's no detail here. What am I actually going to do when I buy the second investment property? How much extra cost do I have to impose on the tenants?" Lack of detail—is it going to be $10 a week is it going to be a hundred dollars a week? So to the Minister my only suggestion is: please put in some detail to give landlords some idea of what on earth is going on because I'm a simple guy from Clutha-Southland and judging by this bill I've got no clue myself."