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Prebble Richard: Civil Union Bill — In Committee Procedure 
Prebble Richard: Civil Union Bill — In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:622;Page:17573] 
Hon RICHARD PREBBLE (ACT) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. We now have a further dilemma in that there are previous votes that have been recorded and apparently acknowledged incorrectly. I have been looking at the Standing Orders to see what the result of that is and I find there are a number of alternatives some of which are rather wearying. One is in Standing Order 153 “Errors and mistakes” states: “(1) In the case of confusion or error concerning the result of a vote the House unless any error can be otherwise corrected proceeds to a second vote.” We have had a number of votes where members’ votes have been recorded by proxy when they were present. 
The next dilemma is this: Speaker’s ruling 64/2 states: “No convention or Standing Order requires a member (present within the Chamber or lobbies) who fails to vote should cast the vote one way or the other. The Standing Order allowing the Speaker to correct the voting list does not apply in this sort of situation.” Speaker’s ruling 63/5 states: “The voting lists as given to the Speaker by the tellers are absolute evidence of the members who have voted.” It would appear to me that as a minimum those members who allowed their names to be recorded as having voted and did so by proxy should seek leave for the voting record to be amended. That would appear to me to be the minimum. The other possibility is that if there are such votes then under the Standing Orders those votes ought to be conducted again.
Parole (Extended Supervision) and Sentencing Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee 
Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume 
Parole (Extended Supervision) and Sentencing Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee 
[Sitting date: 16 June 2004. Volume:618;Page:13625. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Wednesday 16 June 2004 
Mr Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Prayers 
. 
Parole (Extended Supervision) and Sentencing Amendment Bill 
Instruction to Committee 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I will be seeking leave for a number of matters arising out of yesterday’s Business Committee meeting. Firstly I seek leave for the consideration of the Parole (Extended Supervision) and Sentencing Amendment Bill at the Committee stage to include the consideration and adoption of amendments to the Corrections Act 2004 in relation to inter-agency sharing of information about child sex offenders. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Is there any objection to that leave being taken? There appears to be none.
Baldock Larry: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Baldock Larry: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:620;Page:15746] 
7.  
LARRY BALDOCK (United Future) 
 to the  
Minister of Fisheries 
: How many foreign charter vessels have been operating in New Zealand waters during the past 12 months and how many of these vessels had a majority of New Zealand citizens on their fishing crews? 
Hon DAVID BENSON-POPE (Minister of Fisheries) 
: 
 I am advised by the Ministry of Fisheries that since 1 October 2003 New Zealand companies have chartered a total of 51 foreign vessels at various times to operate in New Zealand waters. I am also advised that the ministry does not hold information on the citizenship of the crews of any vessels. 
Larry Baldock 
: Is the Government committed to putting New Zealand fishermen and New Zealand quota holders first or at least on a level playing field in the harvesting of our resources in our exclusive economic zone; if so what plans does the Minister have to deal with the imbalance being created by the overuse of foreign charter vessels with foreign crews? 
Hon DAVID BENSON-POPE 
: I would be reluctant to see measures taken that required a company to invest millions of dollars in buying fishing vessels when capital could be more efficiently spent on other parts of a business. I understand that charter vessels are considered by many involved in the fishing industry to be a cost-effective means of obtaining the necessary catch capacity and dealing with the very seasonal nature of some fisheries. 
Phil Heatley 
: Is the Minister aware that of all the New Zealand fishing crews employed in New Zealand waters none have their lodging food or board deducted from their wages; if so why do foreign fishing crews apparently under the same New Zealand laws have their lodging food and board deducted—therefore undercutting New Zealand crews? 
Hon DAVID BENSON-POPE 
: I think that question is properly one for my colleague the Minister of Labour but I am aware of the undertaking that Mr Swain gave to a questioner Mr Adams in the House on that matter yesterday. 
Larry Baldock 
: Do all those foreign charter vessels have Ministry of Fisheries observers on board; if not is that because it is difficult to find people willing to live in the poor conditions that prevail on many of those boats such as having to eat half-boiled squid for 6 weeks on end? 
Hon DAVID BENSON-POPE 
: The conditions on fishing vessels do vary. However I am advised that generally the quality of accommodation on vessels does not preclude the placement of observers on board. I am further advised that the availability of accommodation can be a problem on both New Zealand and foreign charter vessels. In fact it tends to be more of an issue with New Zealand vessels which are on average smaller. 
Larry Baldock 
: In the absence of observers how can the New Zealand public be reassured that foreign charter vessels are operating under New Zealand rules and that their catches are being correctly recorded? 
Hon DAVID BENSON-POPE 
: Observers are not always absent and the ministry has the capacity when necessary to ensure they are on board.
Cullen Michael: Business Statement 
Cullen Michael: Business Statement 
[Volume:624;Page:19509] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 Next week in the House priority will be given to the remaining stages of the Social Security (Social Assistance) Amendment Bill and the Statutes Amendment Bill (No 4) and the second reading of the Ngati Tuwharetoa (Bay of Plenty) Claims Settlement Bill. Wednesday is a members’ day and members might care to know that Lesley Soper’s maiden speech will take place following the general debate on Wednesday. If there is any time available priority will also be given to first readings on the Order Paper.
Vote: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Procedure Referral to Health Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled  Speaker Recalled In Committee Procedure 
Vote: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Procedure Referral to Health Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled  Speaker Recalled In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:613;Page:10009] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 65 
New Zealand Labour 52; New Zealand National 3; New Zealand First 1; Green Party 9. 
Noes 52 
New Zealand National 24; New Zealand First 12; ACT New Zealand 7; United Future 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Amendment agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 121 in the name of the Hon Damien O'Connor to section 36 in clause 10 be agreed to.
Yates Dianne: Credit Contracts and Consumer Finance Bill — In Committee 
Yates Dianne: Credit Contracts and Consumer Finance Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:611;Page:8727] 
DIANNE YATES (NZ Labour—Hamilton East) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Peters Winston: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Peters Winston: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:614;Page:10282] 
9.  
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First) 
 to the  
Prime Minister 
: Does she still have confidence in her Minister of Immigration; if so why? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Acting Prime Minister) 
: 
 Yes because she is still a hard-working and conscientious Minister. 
Rt Hon Winston Peters 
: If she is such a hard-working person then how is it that we have the circumstance of her failing yet again to pick up on fraudulent documents of immigrants—the latest known case being that of Tar Lock Singh who managed at a time when Ms Dalziel was Minister to sneak back into New Zealand after being expelled for covering up the mutilation of his baby granddaughter; if that is going on again under this Minister when will we see her fired? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN 
: I have no information in front of me about that particular case. If the member cares to send that through to me then I will see what the facts surrounding it are.
Robson Matt: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Robson Matt: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:612;Page:9308] 
Hon MATT ROBSON (Deputy Leader—Progressive) 
: 
 I seek leave to table the last seven issues of  
robson-on-politics 
—found at www.progressive.org not “oblivion”—to show that the Rt Hon Winston Peters was wrong to say that I had mentioned his party’s nuclear politics. I have talked only about its attacks on immigrants. 
Documents by leave laid on the Table of the House.
Goff Phil: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Goff Phil: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:625;Page:20542] 
Hon PHIL GOFF (Minister of Foreign Affairs and Trade) 
: 
 I seek leave to table a document that shows in at least 3 years under a National Government—and one of those was a National - New Zealand First Government—the Budget-night appropriation for the police was down on the previous year’s expenditure. 
Document by leave laid on the Table of the House.
Peters Winston: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Peters Winston: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:615;Page:10947] 
2.  
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First) 
 to the  
Minister of Broadcasting 
: How many employees of Television New Zealand Limited if any attended the International Broadcasting Convention in Amsterdam in 2003 and what was the total cost including all fares accommodation entertainment dining transport costs etc? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY (Minister of Broadcasting) 
: 
 I am informed—well at least today we are not fishing we are more precise— 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Carry on please. 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY 
: I am informed that 14 employees of TVNZ attended this convention at a cost of $143000. All were technical and engineering staff including five from TVNZ’s satellite services. Their purpose in attending was to remain up to date with fast evolving technology in the broadcasting field and to determine which technology is applicable and appropriate to TVNZ’s market and business needs. 
Russell Fairbrother 
: What was the benefit to TVNZ of the International Broadcasting Convention in Amsterdam last year? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY 
: TVNZ maximised the value of the trip by also meeting with broadcasters from the BBC in the UK and the RTÉ in Ireland. Both are public broadcasters and both had valuable insights to offer to TVNZ. Networking opportunities also resulted in TVNZ not going ahead with the investment of $1 million because it was proven to not be the right technology for the organisation. 
Rt Hon Winston Peters 
: Why on earth would networking and other decisions of that type be made by 14 people from the engineering staff and would that not be more appropriately done by management—so what happened there? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY 
: I do not want to make a meal of it but I do want to suggest to the member that the obvious thing to do around a conference that deals with things like digital technology is to take people who are dealing with that. That is explicitly what they did.
Vote: Credit Contracts and Consumer Finance Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Credit Contracts and Consumer Finance Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:611;Page:8729] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to 
. 
Ayes 60 
Labour 52; United Future 8. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; Green Party 9. 
Amendment agreed to.
Mackey Moana: Families Commission Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Procedure 
Mackey Moana: Families Commission Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:614;Page:10315] 
MOANA MACKEY (Labour) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Vote: Registered Architects Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
Vote: Registered Architects Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:625;Page:19931] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment to the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 34 
New Zealand National 27; ACT New Zealand 7. 
Noes 84 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2; Maori Party 1. 
Amendment to the amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Stephen Franks to the amendment to clause 7 set out on Supplementary Order Paper 354 in the name of the Hon Chris Carter be agreed to: 
to add to subclause (2) the words “or New Zealand university”.
Hartley Ann: Foreshore and Seabed Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Hartley Ann: Foreshore and Seabed Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:621;Page:17025] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: Mr Speaker you have been recalled to rule on a matter regarding points of order and the Chairpersonship. I sent Mr Brownlee from the Chamber because of his continual disobedience of the Chair’s ruling. He had been asked to sit down several times. He raised a point of order that was not a point of order. He interrupted a member’s speech with a point of order that again was not a point of order and he continued to disobey my instruction to be seated.
Vote: Television New Zealand Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Vote: Television New Zealand Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:606;Page:3757] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment to the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 47 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 7. 
Noes 69 
Labour 52; Green Party 9; United Future 8. 
Amendment to the amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Katherine Rich to new clause 10 set out on Supplementary Order Paper 57 in the name of the Hon Steve Maharey be agreed to: 
to omit subparagraph (vii) from subclause (2)(a).
Anderton Jim: Amended answers to Oral Questions — Question No. 4 to Minister 2 March 
Anderton Jim: Amended answers to Oral Questions — Question No. 4 to Minister 2 March 
[Volume:615;Page:11625] 
Hon JIM ANDERTON (Minister for Economic Development) 
: 
 In answer to a primary question in the House on Tuesday I said on the advice of New Zealand Trade and Enterprise that the cost of an October 2002 trip to Tongariro by Brunswick Corporation’s chief executive officer George Buckley was $4393.34 GST exclusive and that the total cost of the 2002 visit which resulted in a $56.1 million investment in Navman New Zealand Ltd and other multimillion-dollar New Zealand - based investments was $20041.35. I have been advised by New Zealand Trade and Enterprise this afternoon that these figures were incorrect as they inadvertently omitted a $239.50 reimbursement to Brunswick Corporation for a deposit paid to the Tongariro Lodge. The correct figures should have been $4632.84 and $20280.85 respectively. In response to a supplementary question I said that Navman had created 200 jobs in this country. I am now advised that the number of jobs created by Navman following the investment by Brunswick Corporation is actually more than 200 but that number consists of 63 jobs created in New Zealand with the balance of jobs in France Italy Belgium and Germany where Navman has since opened offices and in Australia the United States and the United Kingdom where Navman has expanded its existing offices.
Vote: State Sector Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Vote: State Sector Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:610;Page:7329] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 69 
Labour 52; Green Party 9; United Future 8. 
Noes 47 
New Zealand National 26; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8. 
Motion agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 107 in the name of the Hon Trevor Mallard to Part 2 be agreed to.
Burton Mark: General Debate 
Burton Mark: General Debate 
[Volume:620;Page:15481] 
Hon MARK BURTON (Deputy Leader of the House) 
: 
 I think the question is fair but the answer is clear. By definition of his ruling clearly the Speaker did exercise his judgment and his discretion and therefore Standing Order 112 does apply. But the member is quite correct in that Standing Order 111 is applicable and it is subject to the discretion of the Speaker. But by definition the Speaker did exercise his discretion. 
Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: I thank Mr Power and Mr Burton. The purpose of the Standing Order is to avoid the House influencing court proceedings as I am sure every member in this House knows.
Hartley Ann: New Organisms and Other Matters Bill — In Committee 
Hartley Ann: New Organisms and Other Matters Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:611;Page:8859] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: I am taking this from what Ms Fitzsimons said. The point is that the title debate is on the title only. The commencement debate is on the commencement only. As per the Standing Orders members often seek that the debate be wide ranging. I understand that that is what Ms Fitzsimons is seeking.
Vote: New Zealand Horticulture Export Authority Amendment Bill (No 2) — First Reading 
Vote: New Zealand Horticulture Export Authority Amendment Bill (No 2) — First Reading 
[Volume:607;Page:4687] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the New Zealand Horticulture Export Authority Amendment Bill (No 2) be now read a first time. 
Ayes 109 
Labour 52; New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8. 
Noes 8 
ACT New Zealand 8. 
Bill read a first time and referred to the Primary Production Committee. referred to the Primary Production Committee
Tisch Lindsay: Gambling Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Tisch Lindsay: Gambling Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:611;Page:8489] 
LINDSAY TISCH (Junior Whip—NZ National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. We want to know what clause the member is referring to. We cannot give leave unless we know what we are going to vote on. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich) 
: Yes the member requesting leave will need to refer to the number.
Vote: Prisoners' and Victims' Claims Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Vote: Prisoners' and Victims' Claims Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:626;Page:20948] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 53 
New Zealand National 26; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 6; United Future 8. 
Noes 62 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Marc Alexander to clause 3 be agreed to: 
to omit this clause and substitute the following clause: 
3Purpose of this Act 
The purpose of this Act is— 
(a)to impose a restriction from 31 May 2005 to the close of 31 May 2011 or until the enactment of legislation which restricts the awarding of compensation sought by specified claims in the House of Representatives whichever occurs first on the accepting of a specified claim for compensation commenced after the commencement of this Act for filing; and 
(b)to impose a restriction from 31 May 2005 to the close of 31 May 2011 or until the enactment of legislation which restricts the awarding of compensation sought by specified claims in the House of Representatives whichever occurs first on the awarding of compensation sought by a specified claim that has been commenced and not determined at first instance by the Court or Tribunal before the commencement of this Act.
Mackey Janet: Civil Aviation Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Mackey Janet: Civil Aviation Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:615;Page:11451] 
JANET MACKEY (Labour—East Coast) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: No. I am cognisant that a number of schedules are included in this debate as well.
Vote: Resource Management Amendment Bill (No 5) Electricity Amendment Bill (No 3) — Third Readings 
Vote: Resource Management Amendment Bill (No 5) Electricity Amendment Bill (No 3) — Third Readings 
[Volume:627;Page:22353] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Resource Management Amendment Bill (No 5) and the Electricity Amendment Bill (No 3) be now read a third time 
. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand Labour 51; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 53 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; ACT New Zealand 3; Maori Party 1. 
Bills read a third time.
Vote: Human Assisted Reproductive Technology Bill — In Committee Procedure 
Vote: Human Assisted Reproductive Technology Bill — In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:621;Page:16357] 
20:00:20The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich) put the question that schedule 1 be agreed to.
Hereora Dave: Taxation (Annual Rates Maori Organisations Taxpayer Compliance and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Hereora Dave: Taxation (Annual Rates Maori Organisations Taxpayer Compliance and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:606;Page:4105] 
DAVE HEREORA (NZ Labour) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Vote: Consumer Protection (Definitions of Goods and Services) Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Consumer Protection (Definitions of Goods and Services) Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:609;Page:6879] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 69 
Labour 52; Green Party 9; United Future 8. 
Noes 47 
New Zealand National 26; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8. 
Motion agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of John Carter to clause 2 be agreed to: 
to omit the words “the day after the date on which it receives the Royal assent” and substitute the words “1 January 2006”.
Robertson H V Ross: Judicial Matters Bill — Second Reading 
Robertson H V Ross: Judicial Matters Bill — Second Reading 
[Volume:617;Page:12808] 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: First of all I thank the honourable member for his contribution and point out to him that the Rt Hon Jonathan Hunt Speaker on 3 December 2002 issued rules for admission to the Chamber lobbies and galleries of the House of Representatives during sittings of the House. I quote from the rules under the heading “Admittance of strangers to the Chamber” “The following strangers may enter the Chamber and occupy seating to the left or right side of the Speaker’s Chair: … To the right: (1) a person invited by a Minister to advise the Government on a Government bill or other matter then before the House for which the Minister has responsibility; (2) a person invited by a member in charge of a Member’s bill a local bill or a private bill to advise that member on the bill; (3) a Minister’s or Parliamentary Under-Secretary’s private secretary or executive assistant; (4) the director or head of a research unit of a party represented in the House or a person acting for such director or head.” That is seating to the right as is the case in this particular instance. [ 
Interruption 
] Can I just finish please Mr Worth? Speaker’s ruling 7/3 is the only ruling that has been given in the House. The rules for admission are based on Standing Order 42 as issued on 3 December 2002.
Mark Ron: Points of Order — Parliament Buildings—Media Access 
Mark Ron: Points of Order — Parliament Buildings—Media Access 
[Volume:625;Page:19733] 
RON MARK (NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. In order to be helpful to other members may I suggest through you that there are about three other ways we can use to get to this Chamber using the ground floor— 
Madam SPEAKER 
: That is also not a point of order.
Carter David: Fisheries Amendment Bill (No 4) — Third Reading 
Carter David: Fisheries Amendment Bill (No 4) — Third Reading 
[Volume:619;Page:14685] 
Hon DAVID CARTER (National) 
: 
 I seek leave to table the  
Hansard 
 of April 2002 when Mr Peters raised the allegations of corruption against the Ministry of Fisheries. 
Document by leave laid on the Table of the House.
Vote: Building Bill — In Committee Procedure 
Vote: Building Bill — In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:619;Page:14828] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the motion be agreed to. 
Ayes 70 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 49 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Motion agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 239 in the name of Sue Kedgley to clause 119C be agreed to.
Williamson Maurice: Courts and Criminal Matters Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Williamson Maurice: Courts and Criminal Matters Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:626;Page:21701] 
Hon MAURICE WILLIAMSON (National—Pakuranga) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Chairperson . I waited until all the votes had been put because I did not want to be seen to be either churlish or in any way questioning your judgment. I came down to the Chamber some time ago very interested in Part 2 because of the information-sharing stuff in it. I am probably one of the few people in the House with a degree in computer science and information technology. I tried on two occasions to take a call because information sharing is a very important part of the bill and will be a major issue that the House will deal with across the whole of government as time goes by. Yet I notice that you very quickly took a closure motion even though I was trying to take a call. Maybe I have quite a quiet voice and I am quite hard to spot in a crowd but I did try to call as loud as I could. I wonder whether you could give us some guidelines: is it just futile for members who are interested in a bill to come down to the Chamber to try to take part in the debate if you are going to take closure motions as quickly as that? 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: No. National had three calls on that part. I think that was covered. There were two clauses in that part.
Cunliffe David: Education (Disestablishment of Early Childhood Development Board) Amendment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
Cunliffe David: Education (Disestablishment of Early Childhood Development Board) Amendment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:616;Page:12133] 
Hon DAVID CUNLIFFE (Minister of State) 
 on behalf of the 
Minister of Education 
: 
 I move  
That it be an instruction to the Committee of the whole House on the Education (Disestablishment of Early Childhood Development Board) Amendment Bill that it take the bill part by part.
Vote: New Organisms and Other Matters Bill — In Committee 
Vote: New Organisms and Other Matters Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:612;Page:9071] 
A party vote 
Ayes 92 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand National 25; ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 8. 
Noes 21 
New Zealand First 13; Green Party 8. 
Part 4 agreed to. 
was called for on the question That Part 4 be agreed to.
Yates Dianne: Land Transport Management Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Yates Dianne: Land Transport Management Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:613;Page:9688] 
DIANNE YATES (Labour—Hamilton East) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Robertson H V Ross: Supreme Court Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Robertson H V Ross: Supreme Court Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:612;Page:9029] 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I know what the member is going to say. Can I just say to him that I looked I could not see anyone out of the side of my eye and Mr Smith was— 
Dail Jones 
: Come on! 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I am giving a ruling. The second part is that under Speaker’s ruling 23/3 once the call is given I cannot take it away. I have noted now that you have raised a point of order. I am sure that the call will go to that side next time but I have called the honourable member Murray Smith.
Vote: Taxation (Annual Rates Maori Organisations Taxpayer Compliance and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Taxation (Annual Rates Maori Organisations Taxpayer Compliance and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:607;Page:4232] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to 
. 
Ayes 48 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8. 
Noes 68 
Labour 52; Green Party 8; United Future 8. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Craig McNair to clause 24(1) be agreed to: 
To insert after new section HI 1 the following new section: 
HI 1AElection to become applicant 
(1)The applicant whose tax characteristics and tax rates are similar to those of a Maori authority as referred to in this Act shall be entitled to make a similar application to the Commissioner as a Maori authority can under this Act by giving notice to the Commissioner as a Maori authority is entitled to do in terms of section HI 1C of this Act and shall receive the same treatment as a Maori authority is entitled to receive in terms of this Act. 
(2)The words “applicant or applicants” shall include all persons legally entitled to be called a legal person in terms of any and all Inland Revenue Department and any other tax legislation including (but not exclusively) individuals companies incorporated societies charitable trusts sole traders partnerships and any other parties liable to pay income tax. 
(3)The provisions of Subpart 1 as applicable to Maori authorities shall apply to an applicant.
Sowry Roger: Holidays (Four Weeks Annual Leave) Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
Sowry Roger: Holidays (Four Weeks Annual Leave) Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
[Volume:617;Page:12654] 
Hon ROGER SOWRY (National) 
: 
 What a load of nonsense and tripe that was! The only thing the member said that was of any value was that he is reliably informed that companies are preparing themselves for the 4 weeks’ leave provision right now. Well they are because they are determined that their payroll costs on an annual basis will be the same with the 4 weeks’ leave as they are now as a percentage of total costs. So they have between now and 2007 to reduce either the number of people they employ or the amount they pay them in order to keep the costs the same. 
The worker gets nothing out of this. The trade-off is lower wage rounds now for an extra week’s holiday in 2007. That is absolute nonsense and trickery on the workers of this country. In fact if the member had cared to be at the select committee last week he would have heard employer after employer—the people paying the wages the people with their capital at risk the people with the home mortgaged to the business—tell us that 4 weeks’ leave was another cost they would have to make adjustments for in their businesses and that it was another drain on their competitiveness. Did the member sit there and listen to that? No. Does he care about that? No. But he can stand in the House and claim victory for this bill when this bill is not going anywhere. 
This bill will be discharged. We should not be wasting the House’s time on it. National totally opposed this bill at its introduction. We are pleased to see that it will be discharged. The member’s idea has not become law. Labour has kind of pulled a little bit of trickery on him by saying it will do something some time out in the future giving the market time to adjust. But the only people who lose are workers. Their hourly rates will not go up as they thought they were going to go up because the employers will do the trade-off around the 4 weeks’ leave.
Vote: Charities Bill — First Reading 
Vote: Charities Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:616;Page:12123] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Charities Bill be now read a first time 
. 
Ayes 84 
New Zealand Labour 52; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 36 
New Zealand National 27; ACT New Zealand 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Bill read a first time and referred to the Social Services Committee.
Choudhary Ashraf: Credit Contracts and Consumer Finance Bill — In Committee 
Choudhary Ashraf: Credit Contracts and Consumer Finance Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:611;Page:8710] 
Dr ASHRAF CHOUDHARY (NZ Labour) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Mackey Janet: Criminal Records (Clean Slate) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Procedure 
Mackey Janet: Criminal Records (Clean Slate) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:617;Page:12573] 
JANET MACKEY (Labour—East Coast) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Vote: Foreshore and Seabed Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Foreshore and Seabed Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:621;Page:17054] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment to the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 10 
Green Party 9; Maori Party 1. 
Noes 109 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Amendment to the amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Metiria Turei to proposed new clause 34 set out on Supplementary Order Paper 302 in the name of the Hon Dr Michael Cullen be agreed to: 
to omit this clause.
Brown Peter: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
Brown Peter: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
[Volume:627;Page:22220] 
PETER BROWN (Senior Whip—NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. The member should tell us what particular vote he wants to change. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: It concerns Vote Treaty Negotiations.
Burton Mark: Ngati Awa Claims Settlement Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Burton Mark: Ngati Awa Claims Settlement Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:623;Page:18733] 
Hon MARK BURTON (Associate Minister in Charge of Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations) 
: 
 In the Maori translation the fourth word on the first line “tuawaru” means “the eighth”. It is written as a word rather than a number and is therefore less obvious to members but that is the translation.
Chadwick Steve: Misuse of Drugs Amendment Bill (No 3) — In Committee Third Reading 
Chadwick Steve: Misuse of Drugs Amendment Bill (No 3) — In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:626;Page:21488] 
STEVE CHADWICK (Labour—Rotorua) 
: 
 I just want to put a bit of reason into this debate and to point out that a step has been forgotten by the Opposition. With respect Maurice Williamson was a wonderful former Associate Minister of Health in terms of his attitude to the sensible regulation of drugs and management of drug policy and I congratulate him on that. We all need to be reasonable about the way we approach this issue. What has been forgotten is the role of the Expert Advisory Committee on Drugs. 
This was not the result of a decision of the Minister to put pressure on the Ministry of Health to get some evidence quickly on benzylpiperazine. The Expert Advisory Committee on Drugs which is far more reasoned and scientific in its decision on any drug illicit or licit raised concerns to the Minister on this matter. Yes we on the Health Committee—and members have forgotten this— also put a justice official on the Expert Advisory Committee on Drugs. We received evidence from the Ministry of Health about its concerns on benzylpiperazine and it also raised concerns about the use of benzylpiperazine in conjunction with other drugs. The ministry did categorise it as being of “low risk” in the recommendation. It was not the Minister’s recommendation that benzylpiperazine a low-risk substance needed to be monitored very very closely—not politicians to monitor it heaven forbid—but a recommendation of the Expert Advisory Committee on Drugs which is established in statute. The recommendation was not in response to receiving anecdotal evidence as the Opposition members said. Yes there has been a lot of hysteria about benzylpiperazine but we received the ministry’s report. It will be watching this drug very closely and we urged that in our report back to the House. 
I want to put on the record here that this is not a case of the Minister or of Cabinet going around and finding another whacky idea that they think will get a few more votes. This is an issue that we should all take terribly seriously and we should listen to the advice and the scientific evidence we received. Our problem here is what we should do about licit and illicit drugs when we have a drug schedule and a statutory framework that looks only at illicit substances. The select committee made a very wise decision to deal with a substance that we were all very concerned about rather than to tell officials to go away draft more policy consult and come back to us with a restricted substances bill. We were not prepared to take the time for that process.
Donald Rod: Parole (Extended Supervision) and Sentencing Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Donald Rod: Parole (Extended Supervision) and Sentencing Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:618;Page:14169] 
ROD DONALD (Musterer—Green) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. Are we doing all the Minister’s amendments as one vote? 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich) 
: We are doing all the Minister’s amendments as one vote.
Dunne Peter: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Dunne Peter: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:423;Page:18528] 
Hon PETER DUNNE (Leader—United Future) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I think the matter is a little more complicated because when the questions for oral answer list was first distributed this morning it indicated that the question had been lodged to the Minister of Police. I would draw your attention to the fact that the question talks about measures for the police to deal with an issue which I would have thought would be entirely the portfolio responsibility of the Minister of Police.
Brownlee Gerry: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Brownlee Gerry: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:610;Page:7986] 
5.  
GERRY BROWNLEE (NZ National—Ilam) 
 to the  
Prime Minister 
: When the Hon Dr Michael Cullen said on her behalf “those on the extremes” would be disappointed with the Government’s decision on the seabed and foreshore did this include New Zealanders who believe the Crown should have exclusive title over the foreshore and the seabed to be “on the extremes”; if so why? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Deputy Prime Minister) 
 on behalf of the 
 Prime Minister 
: Those who will be disappointed include those who want to assert private exclusive ownership of the seabed and foreshore as well as those who seek to play the race card and are hell-bent on this issue being about winners and losers. 
Gerry Brownlee 
: In the light of that answer is it not extreme for the Prime Minister of New Zealand to be unable to answer whether she believes that the Crown should have exclusive title to the foreshore and seabed when most Kiwis are quite clear that that is what the case should be? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN 
: The Prime Minister is never extreme. She is a hard-working and conscientious Prime Minister. 
Rodney Hide 
: When the Hon Dr Michael Cullen said that “those on the extremes” would be disappointed was he including in that the views of the Hon Tariana Turia or does this Government think that her views are not extreme? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN 
: The Hon Tariana Turia and the rest of the Labour Party’s Maori caucus committee have made a very strong input into the announcements to be made next week. Indeed I can say very clearly that they have clearly asserted right throughout the importance to Maori of customary rights being respected. 
Dr Muriel Newman 
: Is it extreme to promise that the Crown should legislate for equal access to the beaches and seabed without distinction or privilege on the basis of race or ethnic inheritance; if so does she consider that the Hon Margaret Wilson who said that to the House on Tuesday 24 June is an extremist? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN 
: The Hon Margaret Wilson is certainly not an extremist. 
Gerry Brownlee 
: Does the Prime Minister’s statement that “no one is going to get any new exclusive ownership to the foreshore and seabed” mean that she will ensure that the Crown has exclusive title to the foreshore and seabed; if not why not? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN 
: It means that no one will have new exclusive title to the seabed and foreshore. 
Gerry Brownlee 
: Does that mean that the Prime Minister is now saying that the Crown has exclusive title to the seabed and foreshore and will continue to have it? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN 
: The member will have to wait until Monday.
Robertson H V Ross: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members Questions to Ministers 
Robertson H V Ross: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:615;Page:11511] 
10.  
H V ROSS ROBERTSON (Labour—Manukau East) 
 to the  
Minister of Tourism 
: What reports has he received about New Zealand’s international media profile as a premier visitor destination? 
Hon MARK BURTON (Minister of Tourism) 
: 
 Tourism New Zealand has already won several prestigious international awards this year for the successful “100 Percent Pure New Zealand” campaign. This Government’s $15 million tactical investment in extending the campaign in North America has been money that was well spent. That is particularly the case given the ongoing leveraging work on the hugely successful  
The Lord of the Rings  
project. Tourism New Zealand has continued its leveraging with full-page “100 Percent Pure New Zealand” advertisements—I have a couple of copies of them here—in the  
Los Angeles Times 
 and the  
New York Times 
. Once again this Government’s partnership with industry has promoted success. 
H V Ross Robertson 
: What is the current state of the tourism market in New Zealand—in particular with reference to visitor arrivals and foreign exchange earnings? 
Hon MARK BURTON 
: I have received reports showing that Tourism New Zealand’s highly successful targeting of the interactive traveller has more than proved its worth. Two thousand and three was another record year for tourism with over 2.1 million international visitor arrivals—3 percent up on 2002’s all-time high of 2 million visitor arrivals. That ended a year marked by Sars terrorism and international conflict in positive growth mode and it is yet another illustration that the Government’s strong partnership with the sector is working. Although the serious weather events of recent weeks are likely to have some negative effect the trend is obviously increasing in 2004 with an amazing 11 percent increase in visitor arrivals in January 2004 compared with January of last year. That is worth an additional $60 million in foreign exchange earnings to the Minister of Finance just for that one month. As my colleague the Minister of Finance noted—[ 
Interruption 
] But there is so much more Mr Speaker. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I know there is.
Burton Mark: Resource Management Amendment Bill (No 2) — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Burton Mark: Resource Management Amendment Bill (No 2) — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:608;Page:5498] 
Hon MARK BURTON (Deputy Leader of the House) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: The question is that the question be now put.
Vote: Counter-Terrorism Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Vote: Counter-Terrorism Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:612;Page:9343] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 60 
New Zealand Labour 52; United Future 8. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; Green Party 9. 
Motion agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Keith Locke to clause 1 be agreed to: 
to omit the words “Counter-Terrorism” and substitute the words “Crimes Amendments and Counter-Terrorism”.
Connell Brian: Points of Order — Members’ Day—Rescheduling of Debate Parliament Building—Media Access Members’ Day—Rescheduling of Debate 
Connell Brian: Points of Order — Members’ Day—Rescheduling of Debate Parliament Building—Media Access Members’ Day—Rescheduling of Debate 
[Volume:624;Page:19714] 
BRIAN CONNELL (National—Rakaia) 
: 
 I seek the leave of the House to table Standing Order 5. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to table Standing Order 5. Is there any objection? There is; it will not be tabled.
Pettis Jill: Employment Relations Law Reform Bill — Procedure 
Pettis Jill: Employment Relations Law Reform Bill — Procedure 
[Volume:620;Page:15845] 
JILL PETTIS (Senior Whip—Labour) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. Judy Turner from United Future has made it abundantly clear what it is that she wants to do and Mr Prebble has made it abundantly clear in explaining the situation to the House. I am sure the Clerk knows exactly what to do. We do not need to go through the farce of another vote.
Vote: Relationships (Statutory References) Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Relationships (Statutory References) Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:624;Page:19134] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put 
. 
Ayes 62 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; Progressive 2. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 8; Maori Party 1. 
Motion agreed to.
Smith Murray: Relationships (Statutory References) Bill — In Committee 
Smith Murray: Relationships (Statutory References) Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:624;Page:19091] 
MURRAY SMITH (United Future) 
: 
 I seek the leave of the House to amend a vote in regard to new Subpart 1AA an amendment in the name of Nandor Tanczos to record the vote by proxy against it of Gordon Copeland which was inadvertently omitted. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: There appears to be no objection. That will be recorded. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 333 in the name of the Hon David Benson-Pope to Part 1 be agreed to.