Collins Judith: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Collins Judith: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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9.  
JUDITH COLLINS (National—Clevedon) 
 to the  
Minister for Social Development and Employment 
: Does he stand by the statement of his predecessor the Hon Steve Maharey who in May 2005 said of the $127.8 million to be invested into new services to help sickness and invalids beneficiaries get back to work: “While we understand the reasons for growth in numbers on these benefits we believe with this strong investment and support and incentives we can reverse this trend”? 
Hon DAVID BENSON-POPE (Minister for Social Development and Employment) 
: 
 The member has the amount of investment wrong but yes this Government does believe in investing in the well-being of New Zealanders. That investment in people certainly appears to be paying off. The latest statistics from Work and Income show that over the month of April this year alone the total number of people receiving the invalids benefit fell by 103 the total number—[ 
Interruption 
] 
Madam SPEAKER 
: The member has asked a question. The Minister is responding. Please let all members in the Chamber hear the response. 
Hon DAVID BENSON-POPE 
: The latest statistics from Work and Income show that over the month of April this year alone the total number of people receiving the invalids benefit fell by 103 the total number of people receiving the sickness benefit fell by 848 and the total number of people receiving the unemployment benefit fell by 2167. In fact all main benefits saw reductions so that in total in 1 month benefit numbers dropped by 4176. That is a reduction of 2 percent in just 1 month. As the members opposite have historically had some difficulty understanding these facts I have taken the liberty of preparing a graphical representation to explain the matter. If I could explain this graph—[ 
Interruption 
] 
Madam SPEAKER 
: The member did give me notice that his reply would be of some length—not too much longer I hope—and we will now hear it in silence. 
Hon DAVID BENSON-POPE 
: Madam Speaker I— 
Madam SPEAKER 
: Please—you have displayed the graph so it can now be removed. There is not a policy of displaying such material all the time. You can display it but then you must remove it. 
Hon DAVID BENSON-POPE 
: Madam Speaker I do need to explain what the graph represents. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: No. I have given my ruling. [ 
Interruption 
] I have given my ruling—the member will be out of the House. Now will the member please finish his reply to the question succinctly. 
Hon DAVID BENSON-POPE 
: That representation shows quite clearly that from 1996 to 1999 during the dying years of the National Government there was a consistent increase in the total benefit roll. For Ms Collins’ and others’ benefit I point out that “total” means all benefits. Since that time benefit numbers have dropped from the range of around 400000 under National to consistently just above the 250000 figure. 
Judith Collins 
: If the Minister can spend an extra $128 million—from his own figures—to get sickness and invalids beneficiaries back to work and end up with thousands and thousands more sickness and invalids beneficiaries in just 2 years of that programme how many more does he think he can get on to that benefit after another 2 years of such assistance? 
Hon DAVID BENSON-POPE 
: I would be delighted to repeat those figures of the drops in sickness benefit and invalids benefit statistics in the last month but the most important part of the factual response to the member’s question is simply that in the year following Mr Maharey’s announcement the reduction in benefit numbers in the 2005-06 year achieved savings of $850 million against forecasts. 
Judith Collins 
: If one quarter of all sickness beneficiaries are saying that they can work then why are they not working especially once he has spent $128 million to try to reduce sickness benefit numbers and they just keep going up? 
Hon DAVID BENSON-POPE 
: I am happy to assure that member that as long as Labour is in Government she and her colleagues will able to access the sickness or invalids benefit should they be unfortunate enough to need to. But those numbers are reducing thank goodness—and we should all be glad for that—because of the level of support this Government is putting into people in our community. 
Judith Collins 
: Why has the number of unemployment beneficiaries jumping to the sickness benefit increased by over 8500 in the past year alone—from his figures—and how does that square with his plan to get more sickness beneficiaries into work? 
Hon DAVID BENSON-POPE 
: First of all let me remind the member that access to sickness and invalids benefits is by way of the medical profession. If that member is prepared to accuse members of the medical profession of unethical behaviour then I challenge her to either name them in this House or provide me with the information so that I can investigate. 
Judith Collins 
: Why has the $128 million not helped those 16000 people who have been on the temporary sickness benefit for more than 2 years or even those 6000 people who for more than 4 years have been temporarily unwell? 
Hon DAVID BENSON-POPE 
: I think it is a rather sad reflection on that member and her party that we have this constant attack on people who are sick or in need of support because they are on an invalids benefit. What I would say is that it is quite clear that that very significant investment in New Zealanders by this Government is why in the last month every benefit figure has reduced. 
Judith Collins 
: In what way can a temporary benefit be temporary when not only have 6000 people been on that benefit for over 4 years but 1000 people have been temporarily unwell for now more than 10 years? 
Hon DAVID BENSON-POPE 
: I suggest that the member ask exactly those questions of the medical professionals who sign those authorisations. 
Hon Annette King 
: Has the Minister been provided by the member who is asking these questions with the names of any doctors who are ripping off the system by providing incorrect certificates for people who are sick or on an invalids benefit—because that is the way in which people get those benefits; if he has not then does he believe that the member is really genuine in her questioning about this issue? 
Hon DAVID BENSON-POPE 
: Sadly I can confirm that I have had no such communication or information from that member. I will repeat my invitation to her to raise the matter with the representatives of the Medical Council or to name the doctors she is accusing of behaving unethically either in this House under privilege or by providing that information for me so that I can have it appropriately investigated. 
Judith Collins 
: I seek leave of the House to table a document showing that $128 million was promised by this Government to reduce sickness and invalids benefit numbers— 
Madam SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to table that document. Is there any objection? There is objection. 
Hon DAVID BENSON-POPE 
: I seek leave of the House to table the graph I displayed earlier which displays exactly the value of the— 
Madam SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to table that document. Is there any objection? There is objection. I just remind members that those who interrupt during the seeking of leave will leave the Chamber. 
Hon DAVID BENSON-POPE 
: I seek leave of the House to table the employment statistics for the months of March and April which show the net reduction benefits that I referred to earlier. 
Document by leave laid on the Table of the House.