Rurawhe AdrianHon NATHAN GUY (National—Ōtaki): Thank you very much Mr Speaker. This is a very very interesting bill and one that is technically very very complex. At the second reading this evening—David Seymour: Tell us all about it. In detail.Hon NATHAN GUY: I've sat on the select committee and actually done a few Zoom meetings through COVID-19 Mr Seymour looked up people's nostrils and saw their hairs looked at officials and nodded and asked them questions. But what a shonky process to go through this bill and try and interrogate officials through a COVID-19 response when we had to do that through Zoom and the like. I felt it was a shambolic process. We should've at least waited until the Parliament opened up and came back and got on with it. But this bill here is 314 pages long. Then lo and behold the Minister for Climate Change midway through the process dropped Supplementary Order Paper (SOP) 506 into the committee which is—let me get it right—410 pages. So here we have it we've got the bill we've got SOP 506—for those of you at home listening this is almost a ream of paper. You pop down to the store and purchase a ream every now and again for your home computer that's what we're debating tonight. For those also listening you can bet your bottom dollar there'll be errors riddled through this process because it has been rushed; that is one aspect that I am most concerned about with this bill.The other one is that this is where the rubber hits the road. We had some concerns about zero carbon came through on the bottom line and said If we're lucky enough to be in Government next time we'll change certain things." Now this one we are concerned about all of the detail in this bill not having due process and—Michael Wood: Tell us about the detail.Hon NATHAN GUY: Well the cheeky little whip over there wants to know about detail. Well he should get down into rural heartland and find out about the detail find out about the cost that it's going to incur on consumers in his electorate. This is going to put the fuel price up. He's now nodding because he loves it because he's a Labour MP. He loves the food price going up. This is going to put the fuel price up. He's nodding. No he's not; he's shaking his head. Well he hasn't read the detail like I have. This is going to put the price of electricity up. Does he agree with that? No he hasn't read the detail. The cheeky little whip over there comes down here and casts their vote. He's not across 700-odd pages like I am. And he has the cheek to come down here and say "Give us some examples of the detail." I just have.Hon Scott Simpson: He needs to get a haircut and a real job.Hon NATHAN GUY: Yeah he does. You're right Mr Simpson. What I also want to talk about is this—Hon Member: The bill.Hon NATHAN GUY: I've just talked about that the detail of this bill and in particular the SOP.I want to talk about farming communities because while farming leaders have come forward and provided a solution to stop this Government imposing a tax at processer level which is not going to change behaviour inside the farm gate farming leaders came to the Government and said "Come on let's work with us." So I salute those farming leaders that came up with a proposal called He Waka Eke Noa. And of course the Government hoodwinked these rural leaders because they put out the press releases on the day and said "This is a historical agreement. Farming leaders have agreed that agriculture's coming into the emissions trading scheme." Well farming leaders didn't agree to that; so Government Ministers hoodwinked them and it's in the bill here. It's in the SOP.What this means in 2022 is that Government Ministers the Minister for Climate Change and the Minister of Agriculture will be able to get together and if farmers haven't done their farm plans they'll be back to the farming community and those leaders saying "We're going to bring this in a tax at processor level." Farming leaders didn't completely realise that that's what they had signed up to. This SOP 506 has all of that detail in it 410 pages covering that aspect and others off.The other thing I want to conclude on is that we are concerned about—also when I think about rural communities we don't have riparian planting included in this process. We don't have any of the shelter belts included in this process. We don't have—this is all to do with offsetting emissions. They aren't included. When farmers do the right thing and protect bush that is rejuvenating that is not included. Officials said "Don't worry we're going to do some more work. We've been instructed by Ministers to do it but it's going to take us another couple of years and probably another 400 pages of work."ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Adrian Rurawhe): Order. The member's time has expired. This is a split call. I call David Seymour."