Court SimonSIMON COURT (ACT): Thank you Mr Chair. Minister the Hon Nicole McKee thank you. That was a very helpful and enlightening explanation about how this is likely to work.Just coming back to new section 18AA warrantless searches associated with a firearms protection order I'm interested when you got to that point in describing in terms of new section 18AA(1)(f) whether any arms found that were seized and detained given the fact that somebody who is under a firearms protection order may be visiting the home of or premises of somebody who has firearms legitimately and the police do have the power to seize and detain any arms found—Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan: Is this in scope?SIMON COURT: Well in fact to the member of the Green Party who's asking whether this is in scope I'd just like to refer the member to new section 18AA(1)(f) which says A constable who has reasonable grounds to believe"—not "suspect"; that's been lined through—"that a person is subject to an FPO made before on or after the commencement of this section may without a warrant"—for the member's benefit—"do any or all of the following"—new content added here—"for the purpose of checking whether the person is complying with the conditions of the FPO:" they may if they do discover arms in terms of new section 18AA(1)(f) "seize and detain any arms found."So what I'm interested in and it may well be of interest to members of Labour and the Green Party in the Chamber tonight who may be licensed firearms owners who may possess their own firearms for lawful purposes like hunting. I don't know about you Mr Chair but I have a good friend who used to work for Forest & Bird and when I said "What is it that Forest & Bird does? What kind of conservation work do you do?" she told me that conservation is all about killing and I'm assuming she means in large parts by licensed firearms owners using their firearms lawfully with the right permits.Steve Abel: That's certainly the Government's view of conservation isn't it?SIMON COURT: I don't know how the member Steve Abel thinks he's ever going to control pests and enhance and restore New Zealand biodiversity without killing some of the pests.So for the enlightenment of the committee for those members of the public listening maybe on 882AM or watching on Parliament TV I'm wondering would the Minister be able to explain for the benefit of all of us what might happen to firearms that were seized and detained if somebody under a firearms protection order was on a premises and those firearms that were seized and detained were held by a licensed firearms owner and may well even be stored we would hope in a safe manner? I am sure that the licensed firearms owner whether they knew or didn't know that the person on their property was under a firearms protection order would want to know that they can get their firearms back at some point after police have satisfied themselves of the licensed firearms owner's bona fides and that they were still a fit and proper person and so on.Minister I am sure that many people particularly licensed firearms owners and those who know that conservation is all about killing and that's one of the things firearms are used for would really love to hear what the Minister might be able to enlighten the committee with. Thank you Minister."