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Vote: Electoral (Finance Reform and Advance Voting) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Vote: Electoral (Finance Reform and Advance Voting) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Electoral (Finance Reform and Advance Voting) Amendment Bill be now read a first time. 
Ayes 112 
New Zealand National 58; New Zealand Labour 43; ACT New Zealand 5; Maori Party 5; United Future 1. 
Noes 9 
Green Party 9. 
Bill read a first time. 
Bill referred to the Electoral Legislation Committee.
Tremain Chris: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Tremain Chris: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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9. 
CHRIS TREMAIN (National—Napier) 
 to the  
Minister of Police 
: What is the Government doing to ensure police have the facilities they need to effectively serve New Zealand communities? 
Hon JUDITH COLLINS (Minister of Police) 
: 
 I am pleased to report that tomorrow I am opening the 10th new police facility since becoming the Minister of Police. The new station in the Hawke’s Bay community of Tamatea will provide a base for the Napier tactical response team and the community constable. This Government is keen to ensure that all communities large and small have the police they need to make them feel safer in their homes and on the streets. Single-officer stations will also be opened over the next 6 months or so in Russell Karamea Granity and Nuhaka. 
Chris Tremain 
: What role has the Tamatea community of Napier played in ensuring they have a community police base? 
Hon JUDITH COLLINS 
: I am advised that this station has been a classic example of community policing in action. The community and police jointly recognised a problem then worked together to find a solution. It has involved local residents the three schools in the area local businesses and the council. I am told that the residents are now feeling much more reassured and that they are keen to work with the new constable at the grassroots level to take ownership of crime problems in their area which is something Labour could never bring itself to do. 
David Garrett 
: Has she investigated what resources and facilities would be required to implement a zero-tolerance policing policy in even one major police district? 
Hon JUDITH COLLINS 
: No I have not. 
David Garrett 
: Is she aware that zero-tolerance policing is widely accepted as the reason for dramatically reducing crime rates in New York State and would she consider trialling such a policy here? 
Hon JUDITH COLLINS 
: No. I think we need New Zealand solutions. Last time I checked New York City had 37000 police officers for a population of 8 million. I am not sure we want to have an equivalent number here.
Shanks Katrina: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Shanks Katrina: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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7. 
KATRINA SHANKS (National) 
 to the  
Minister of Energy and Resources 
: How many households switched electricity suppliers in March 2010? 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (Minister of Energy and Resources) 
: 
 A total of 34892 households switched electricity suppliers in March this year. That is the highest number of customer switches since August 2001. It is 48 percent more than in March last year and is a very good sign that people are making choices for cheaper electricity. 
Katrina Shanks 
: What steps is the Government taking to promote customer switching and competition within the electricity market? 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE 
: The recent ministerial review of the electricity market endorsed competition as the best way to constrain retail electricity price increases. The Government agreed with a series of recommendations made by the expert advisory group. It has agreed to reallocate Tekapo A and Tekapo B power stations from Meridian Energy to Genesis Power and to create virtual asset swaps amongst State-owned generators to facilitate a better market. The benefits forthcoming from the transfer of Tekapo A and Tekapo B have already been seen with Genesis Power aggressively entering the Christchurch and Dunedin markets and offering extremely competitive price packages. We expect the same to happen in the north very soon.
Blue Jackie: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Blue Jackie: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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5. 
Dr JACKIE BLUE (National) 
 to the  
Minister of Health 
: Does he stand by all of his recent statements on health services? 
Hon TONY RYALL (Minister of Health) 
: 
 Yes including the announcement that the Government has approved and funded a bowel cancer screening pilot that will cost in total $31.6 million over the next 5 years. Bowel cancer is the most frequently diagnosed cancer and the second highest cause of cancer death here in New Zealand. In 2007 almost 3000 people were diagnosed with bowel cancer and 1252 people died from the disease. However it is a cancer that if diagnosed and treated early people have a good chance of surviving. 
Dr Jackie Blue 
: What further details can he advise concerning the bowel screening announcement? 
Hon TONY RYALL 
: The final decision on which district health boards will be the sites for the pilots will be made following an expressions of interest process which is expected to cover a minimum of 60000 people aged from 50 to 74. This process will enable the Ministry of Health to assess willingness capacity and readiness and will allow a coordinated approach to planning and implementation. It is a long-awaited initiative that if successful and if a national programme is rolled out could save up to 270 lives a year over time. 
Iain Lees-Galloway 
: Given that we hear the Minister congratulate himself day after day for elective surgery increases what does he say to Dr Clive Solomon a surgeon operating at the front line who said that the Minister’s figures were “questionable” and a “blatant misrepresentation of health figures for political expedience.”? 
Hon TONY RYALL 
: I would say that he is wrong. I say that that is wrong and that it is quite clear we are heading into the district health board election season. 
Hon Luamanuvao Winnie Laban 
: How can this House trust his so-called good news on health when each day my office is called by another older person who is suffering because of the Minister’s health cuts—which is why we will listen to the views of those older persons not the Minister’s? 
Hon TONY RYALL 
: That member can recite that mantra as much as she likes. The fact is that more services are being provided at the front line in New Zealand every day. If members look for example at Capital and Coast District Health Board they will see that 500 more Wellingtonians had elective surgery last year than in the final year of the failed previous Government whose members are seated opposite.
Brownlee Gerry: Business of Select Committees — Commerce Committee—Authority to Release Departmental Report on Financial Service Providers (Pre-Implementation Adjustments) Bill 
Brownlee Gerry: Business of Select Committees — Commerce Committee—Authority to Release Departmental Report on Financial Service Providers (Pre-Implementation Adjustments) Bill 
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Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I seek leave for the Commerce Committee to have authority to release the departmental report on the Financial Service Providers (Pre-Implementation Adjustments) Bill to submitters on that bill for further comment despite Standing Order 235. Before you put that leave Mr Speaker I want to indicate that there was some confusion over the status of that report at the time that I spoke to the chairman of the committee yesterday but it has been cleared up and there will be no difficulty with the report being made available. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought for that course of action. Is there any objection? There is no objection.
Brownlee Gerry: Business Statement 
Brownlee Gerry: Business Statement 
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Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (Leader of the House) 
: 
 On the first point yes it is our intention that the good practice of making sure that copies of the Budget documents are rapidly made available to members is continued. It was a good process last year. It is part of the new and open way in which this Government likes to operate. We are setting new and very high parliamentary standards for the conduct of public business. As for the member’s concern about when he may be able to head home in order to reconnect with Teddy he will just have to wait until the day.
Hughes Darren: Business Statement 
Hughes Darren: Business Statement 
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Hon DARREN HUGHES (Senior Whip—Labour) 
: 
 I want to make a couple of inquiries of the Leader of the House about the Budget—obviously not its contents but issues of process. The first item is whether the Government intends to repeat the practice last year which was very helpful to members whereby once the Minister of Finance commences reading the Budget speech the Budget documents are made available for members to look at and follow through as the Budget speech is being read. The second item is whether members should prepare for an extra sitting as a result of the Budget either on Thursday evening or on Friday.
Brownlee Gerry: Business Statement 
Brownlee Gerry: Business Statement 
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Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (Leader of the House) 
: 
 When the House resumes on 18 May the Government will look to progress the Electoral (Administration) Amendment Bill the Private Security Personnel and Private Investigators Bill and a range of first readings on the Order Paper. The Budget will be read on Thursday 20 May.
Smith Lockwood: Visitors — Japan—Prime Minister’s Fellow Councillor Mrs Hiroe Makiyama National Diet 
Smith Lockwood: Visitors — Japan—Prime Minister’s Fellow Councillor Mrs Hiroe Makiyama National Diet 
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Mr SPEAKER 
: I have much pleasure in informing the House that the Prime Minister’s Japan Fellow Councillor Mrs Hiroe Makiyama from the National Diet of Japan is present in the gallery. I am sure members would wish that she be welcomed.
Voting — Waikato-Tainui Raupatu Claims (Waikato River) Settlement Bill—ACT Party Votes 
Voting — Waikato-Tainui Raupatu Claims (Waikato River) Settlement Bill—ACT Party Votes 
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Voting 
Waikato-Tainui Raupatu Claims (Waikato River) Settlement Bill—ACT Party Votes 
DAVID GARRETT (Whip—ACT) 
: 
 I seek the leave of the House for the ACT Party’s votes on the third reading of the Waikato-Tainui Raupatu Claims (Waikato River) Settlement Bill to be cast as Noes and for the vote to be recorded in the  
Journals of the House of Representatives 
. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy) 
: The provision is set out in  
Parliamentary Practice in New Zealand 
 by McGee at page 204. Leave is sought for that purpose. Is there anyone opposed to that course of action? It appears not; the  
Journals 
 will therefore record that.
Electoral (Finance Reform and Advance Voting) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Electoral (Finance Reform and Advance Voting) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Electoral (Finance Reform and Advance Voting) Amendment Bill 
First Reading 
Debate resumed from 4 May. 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Electoral (Finance Reform and Advance Voting) Amendment Bill be now read a first time. 
Ayes 112 
New Zealand National 58; New Zealand Labour 43; ACT New Zealand 5; Maori Party 5; United Future 1. 
Noes 9 
Green Party 9. 
Bill read a first time. 
Bill referred to the Electoral Legislation Committee.
Visitors — Maori King—Te Arikinui Ta Kingi Tuheitia 
Visitors — Maori King—Te Arikinui Ta Kingi Tuheitia 
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Visitors 
Maori King—Te Arikinui Ta Kingi Tuheitia 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I have much pleasure in informing the House that Te Arikinui Ta Kingi Tuheitia is within the precincts of this Chamber. I am sure members would wish that he be welcomed and accorded a seat on the left of the Chair. 
Te Arikinui Ta Kingi Tuheitia accompanied by the Minister of Maori Affairs entered the Chamber and took a seat on the left of the Chair.
Business of Select Committees — Commerce Committee—Authority to Release Departmental Report on Financial Service Providers (Pre-Implementation Adjustments) Bill 
Business of Select Committees — Commerce Committee—Authority to Release Departmental Report on Financial Service Providers (Pre-Implementation Adjustments) Bill 
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Business of Select Committees 
Commerce Committee—Authority to Release Departmental Report on Financial Service Providers (Pre-Implementation Adjustments) Bill 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I seek leave for the Commerce Committee to have authority to release the departmental report on the Financial Service Providers (Pre-Implementation Adjustments) Bill to submitters on that bill for further comment despite Standing Order 235. Before you put that leave Mr Speaker I want to indicate that there was some confusion over the status of that report at the time that I spoke to the chairman of the committee yesterday but it has been cleared up and there will be no difficulty with the report being made available. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought for that course of action. Is there any objection? There is no objection.
Tabling of Documents — Proposed New Zealand Coastal Policy Statement 2008—Board of Inquiry Report 
Tabling of Documents — Proposed New Zealand Coastal Policy Statement 2008—Board of Inquiry Report 
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Tabling of Documents 
Proposed New Zealand Coastal Policy Statement 2008—Board of Inquiry Report 
Hon DARREN HUGHES (Labour) 
: 
 On to more serious and statesmanlike matters I seek leave of the House to table the report of the board of inquiry into the Proposed New Zealand Coastal Policy Statement 2008. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to table that document. Is there any objection? There is no objection. 
Document by leave laid on the Table of the House.
Business Statement 
Business Statement 
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Business Statement 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (Leader of the House) 
: 
 When the House resumes on 18 May the Government will look to progress the Electoral (Administration) Amendment Bill the Private Security Personnel and Private Investigators Bill and a range of first readings on the Order Paper. The Budget will be read on Thursday 20 May. 
Hon DARREN HUGHES (Senior Whip—Labour) 
: 
 I want to make a couple of inquiries of the Leader of the House about the Budget—obviously not its contents but issues of process. The first item is whether the Government intends to repeat the practice last year which was very helpful to members whereby once the Minister of Finance commences reading the Budget speech the Budget documents are made available for members to look at and follow through as the Budget speech is being read. The second item is whether members should prepare for an extra sitting as a result of the Budget either on Thursday evening or on Friday. 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (Leader of the House) 
: 
 On the first point yes it is our intention that the good practice of making sure that copies of the Budget documents are rapidly made available to members is continued. It was a good process last year. It is part of the new and open way in which this Government likes to operate. We are setting new and very high parliamentary standards for the conduct of public business. As for the member’s concern about when he may be able to head home in order to reconnect with Teddy he will just have to wait until the day.
Visitors — Japan—Prime Minister’s Fellow Councillor Mrs Hiroe Makiyama National Diet 
Visitors — Japan—Prime Minister’s Fellow Councillor Mrs Hiroe Makiyama National Diet 
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Thursday 6 May 2010 
Mr Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Karakia 
. 
Visitors 
Japan—Prime Minister’s Fellow Councillor Mrs Hiroe Makiyama National Diet 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I have much pleasure in informing the House that the Prime Minister’s Japan Fellow Councillor Mrs Hiroe Makiyama from the National Diet of Japan is present in the gallery. I am sure members would wish that she be welcomed.
Vote: Tariff Act 1988 Repeal Bill — First Reading 
Vote: Tariff Act 1988 Repeal Bill — First Reading 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Tariff Act 1988 Repeal Bill be now read a first time. 
Ayes 5 
ACT New Zealand 5. 
Noes 116 
New Zealand National 58; New Zealand Labour 43; Green Party 9; Maori Party 5; United Future 1. 
Motion not agreed to.
Douglas Roger: Tariff Act 1988 Repeal Bill — First Reading 
Douglas Roger: Tariff Act 1988 Repeal Bill — First Reading 
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Hon Sir ROGER DOUGLAS (ACT) 
: 
 When I listened to the member from Mangere I was reminded of a story that I think is very relevant. I recall a taxi trip I had from my home to the airport in 1990. I asked the taxi driver a Samoan who lived in Otara how business was. He looked at me and said: “Well not all that fantastic not that good.” I asked him why thinking I would get a story about the deregulated taxi industry leading to too many taxis as the reason he was not doing well. But he said: “I am not doing all that well but I am not complaining about it because a lot of my customers now own their own cars. Because you’ve reduced the price so much as a result of lowering tariffs etc. my customers can now afford a car. So instead of having to get a taxi to take them home after they have been to the local grocery store they can drive themselves home.” The fact is that because the Labour Government of the 1980s lowered tariffs in respect of cars and opened up that particular industry a whole lot of people who could not own cars suddenly could do so. I think the Labour Party should think about that. 
Mr Nash I think was trying to give me some sort of lecture. Given that Mr Nash gave me so much advice I thought I might be able to give him a little bit of advice. I think he should start apologising to all those young Maori who are out of work—38 percent after 9 years of a Labour Government. Thirty eight percent of young Maori are out of work. I think that Mr Nash should start to apologise to them. I think he should say sorry to every superannuitant in the country. When the State controls our entitlement to superannuation as it does then it will undoubtedly discriminate against those groups who have shorter lives. Our present system which of course was amended and changed by the Labour Government over the last 9 years discriminates against Maori and Pacific Islanders in particular. So I think those Labour members should apologise for that. 
I think Labour members should apologise for the populist vote-buying they entered into over 9 years which left the country in debt and left us with a deficit of 7 or 8 percent of GDP. I think they should apologise for the way in which they discriminated against low-income earners and got them to pay for the children of the wealthy to go to university. I could go on. The last Labour Government tried to buy votes. It was a Government that spent over and above the rate of inflation by about $18 billion—in other words for a family of four it imposed an extra $20000 a year in costs. So if anyone needs to apologise I think we should start with the Labour Party and with Mr Nash in particular.
Goodhew Jo: Sittings of the House 
Goodhew Jo: Sittings of the House 
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JO GOODHEW (Junior Whip—National) 
: 
 We have made excellent progress this afternoon and this evening; therefore I seek the leave of the House for the House to now rise. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Rick Barker) 
: Leave is sought for that purpose. Is there any objection? There is no objection. The House stands adjourned until 2 p.m. tomorrow. No reira tena koutou tena koutou. Po marie.
Clendon David: Tariff Act 1988 Repeal Bill — First Reading 
Clendon David: Tariff Act 1988 Repeal Bill — First Reading 
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DAVID CLENDON (Green) 
: 
 The point has been made that the Tariff Act 1988 Repeal Bill reflects a rather old agenda and that must indeed be the case because when I was a much younger man—the honourable member in charge of the bill the Hon Sir Roger Douglas will be pleased to know this—I engaged in a protest against tariffs. That was at a time when New Zealand had a very diverse and robust manufacturing industry unlike today. One of the products we manufactured was tyres and at that time there was a very high tariff placed on the import of tyres which was well and good except that it included motorcycle tyres. Of course we did not manufacture motorcycle tyres locally. So I took part in a protest which took the form of many of us posting used tyres to our local member of Parliament. I rejoice in remembering the television images of the time which showed a great pile of tyres arriving in this place. 
More seriously there are very valid reasons why one would continue to impose tariffs on imported goods. We all enjoy buying cheap products and tariffs can indeed increase the price of imported products. If the cheapness of those imported products is because the manufacturers are more efficient and use the best technology and better design then so be it. But most often or very often it is the case that cheap imported products are cheap because the people manufacturing them are not being paid what we would consider a reasonable wage even in the context of their countries. They are not protected by unions and have no choice in the conditions of their employment. Very often products are cheap and arrive at our shores because the environmental measures taken during manufacture in the countries of origin would not be acceptable to us. Using resources carelessly dumping waste into rivers and drains and using child labour are all reasons why one would reasonably impose tariffs on goods coming into this country. 
It is interesting that this bill comes to the House during Fair Trade Fortnight. A few days ago a number of members from all parties across the House joined a small celebration of fair trade. The idea is that fair-trade products are guaranteed to come from countries or at least from supply chains where people are paid reasonably and where there is some environmental management and control. One can purchase and consume those products with a clear conscience. In fact there was a proposal that Parliament ought to become a fair-trade workplace. 
The Greens have always had significant ambivalence about the notion of free trade because it can simply be a disguise or a mechanism for allowing us to import products that are not from sources that any of us would find acceptable if we took a moment to look at them for the reasons that I have outlined. Tariffs are certainly a very legitimate mechanism even in 2010. They are perhaps a mechanism to be used thoughtfully and lightly but they have a place. We will certainly be opposing this bill.
Vote: Smart Meters (Consumer Choice) Bill — First Reading 
Vote: Smart Meters (Consumer Choice) Bill — First Reading 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Smart Meters (Consumer Choice) Bill be now read a first time. 
Ayes 57 
New Zealand Labour 43; Green Party 9; Maori Party 5. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Motion not agreed to.
Fenton Darien: Employment Relations (Statutory Minimum Redundancy Entitlements) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Fenton Darien: Employment Relations (Statutory Minimum Redundancy Entitlements) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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DARIEN FENTON (Labour) 
: 
 I seek leave to table a redundancy notice to the Hon John Key saying that he will receive no notice and no redundancy pay because the law says he is not entitled. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy) 
: That is not an acceptable document for tabling.
Vote: Employment Relations (Statutory Minimum Redundancy Entitlements) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Vote: Employment Relations (Statutory Minimum Redundancy Entitlements) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Employment Relations (Statutory Minimum Redundancy Entitlements) Amendment Bill be now read a first time. 
Ayes 57 
New Zealand Labour 43; Green Party 9; Maori Party 5. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Motion not agreed to.
Henare Tau: Employment Relations (Statutory Minimum Redundancy Entitlements) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Henare Tau: Employment Relations (Statutory Minimum Redundancy Entitlements) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Hon TAU HENARE (National) 
: 
 I know that we all seem to look alike. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Rick Barker) 
: I call the Hon Tau Henare. 
Hon TAU HENARE 
: That is something that we have been fighting against for a long long time—but we will get there. 
Chris Hipkins 
: Who’s the biggest loser? 
Hon TAU HENARE 
: Well if we want to go down that track. 
I want to start my korero tonight with this quote from March 2000: “This bill marks a new era in industrial relations in New Zealand; an era that will be distinguished by a commitment to the fundamental principle that underlines all parts of this legislation—namely that it is better to work together cooperatively for the common good in the workplace than to work in opposition to each other.” That quote is from the then Minister of Labour the Hon Margaret Wilson in the Employment Relation Bill’s first reading on 16 March 2000. 
Nowhere in that bill was there any mention at all of a redundancy clause—and that was in 2000. In 2009 there was an anniversary: the ninth anniversary of Labour taking office. Between 2000 and 2009 not one of the Labour members including the former Ministers and including the backbenchers ever raised the issue. Outside of this House that would have been called hypocrisy to coin a phrase of Trevor Mallard. Those listening outside would have called it hypocrisy. 
The funny thing about the Fabians—there is always a funny thing about the Fabians and the Fabian Society—is that they never do anything when they are in power. But when they are in Opposition they love to tell the Government what it should do. The Public Advisory Group to the Minister of Labour on Restructuring and Redundancy was established back then but when I was a union member we used to fight for this sort of thing. We did not go cap in hand to ask the Government to do it. We did not even go cap in hand to the Labour Party and ask its members do it. We used to go and fight for it unlike the pussies that the Labour Party has today. They think that the easiest way is to just front up to the Government and say: “Please sir no sir can I have three bags full sir?”. That is their modus operandi; it is not about going to workers and saying: “Listen what we need to do is organise. We need to talk if we may to the employer. Let us fight for something that we really believe in.” 
What we see in the House tonight is nothing more than Darien Fenton and her mates in the Service and Foodworkers Union grandstanding because they know full well that they cannot deliver on this bill the Employment Relations (Statutory Minimum Redundancy Entitlements) Amendment Bill. Although they cannot deliver on it somehow it makes them feel good. Like the do-gooders in the Fabian Society they are a pack of pussy do-gooders. Quite frankly I am over the moon. I am ecstatic that this Government is not going to buy into any of that Fabian rubbish.
Quinn Paul: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Quinn Paul: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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12. 
PAUL QUINN (National) 
 to the  
Minister for Arts Culture and Heritage 
: What recent progress has been made in efforts to secure the repatriation of toi moko from museums around the world? 
Hon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON (Minister for Arts Culture and Heritage) 
: 
 Earlier this morning the Upper House of the French Parliament passed legislation enabling toi moko held in French institutions to be returned to New Zealand. That opens the door for Te Papa to approach museums in France and negotiate repatriation with them with the ultimate objective of returning the toi moko to their communities. I express the Government’s gratitude to the French Government and to Minister Frédéric Mitterand to whom the Hon Dr Sharples and I wrote last year on this issue and to the French Parliament for passing this legislation. 
Paul Quinn 
: How many toi moko are estimated to be held in French museums? 
Hon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON 
: Estimates range from between 12 and 20. There are a number of museums as well as the Université Montpellier that have been identified as being likely to have toi moko in their collections. 
Rahui Katene 
: How will iwi be actively involved in the negotiations and return of moko mokai to their tribal rohe? 
Hon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON 
: Te Papa will be holding them only on an interim basis. They are not accessioned as part of Te Papa’s collections. The museum has a policy prohibiting their exhibition. The goal of repatriation is to return the koiwi to their communities of origin. Where it is possible to establish this they remain in Te Papa’s custody pending return to their attributed place of origin. Discussions with iwi to this effect are ongoing as the repatriation of remains occurs.
Calder Cam: General Debate 
Calder Cam: General Debate 
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Dr CAM CALDER (National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I just point out that I could barely hear the Minister in her speech. It was as if she were not even miked. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Before I call the next honourable member— 
Hon David Cunliffe 
: Go and fill up! 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I say to the Hon David Cunliffe that the Speaker is not going to go and fill up. What is more the member will not interject like that when I am on my feet. Interjections give this House some life and it is important that this place is not boring but I think the point that Dr Cam Calder has made is a fair one. The level of interjection that the Hon Judith Collins was having to try to speak through was pretty unreasonable. I ask members to be a little more reasonable.
Fenton Darien: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Fenton Darien: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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9. 
DARIEN FENTON (Labour) 
 to the  
Minister of Labour 
: Will the Government support the Employment Relations (Statutory Minimum Redundancy Entitlements) Amendment Bill to select committee so that New Zealand workers and business can have their say on the adequacy of current redundancy laws? 
Hon KATE WILKINSON (Minister of Labour) 
: 
 No. 
Darien Fenton 
: What then does she have to say to warehouse supervisor Rod Highsted who is one of about a dozen workers at TA Macalister laid off this week without any redundancy payment after 20 years’ service? 
Hon KATE WILKINSON 
: For anybody who loses his or her job it can be a very upsetting experience. I certainly sympathise with them. That is why our Government has made sure we are taking every step we can to get the economy growing again and help laid-off workers into new jobs. 
Darien Fenton 
: What does she have to say to Annie an information technology worker who emailed me this week who was made redundant just before Christmas without redundancy pay and who has lost her house all of her savings and practically all of her furniture because she had nothing to tide her over while she looked for another job? 
Hon KATE WILKINSON 
: I repeat what I said in my previous answer but redundancies are never nice. People are losing jobs small-business owners are losing their livelihood and often their homes and adding more rules and regulations to this does not make it any fairer. 
Darien Fenton 
: What does she have to say to Telecom engineers such as Jonathan Smith who were made redundant through no fault of their own in the middle of one of New Zealand’s highest periods of unemployment with no redundancy pay to help them get through the hard times until they found more work? 
Hon KATE WILKINSON 
: I reiterate what I said in the previous two responses.
Peachey Allan: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Peachey Allan: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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8. 
ALLAN PEACHEY (National—Tamaki) 
 to the  
Minister for Tertiary Education 
: What changes is the Government considering to make administration of the student loan scheme more cost effective? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE (Minister for Tertiary Education) 
: 
 The Government is looking to recover more of the $40 million per year it costs to administer the student loan scheme. Currently only $10 million is recovered from students through the $50 charge per year which takes place while a loan is being drawn down. That charge has not been changed since 1992. Once borrowers leave tertiary education they do not pay any of the administration costs of the scheme at all. It is only fair that borrowers who receive the benefit of interest-free loans cover more of the actual costs of loan administration so more people have the opportunity to participate in tertiary education. 
Allan Peachey 
: What would this extra money be used for? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE 
: Money currently spent on subsidising student loan administration costs could be freed up to invest back into more places at tertiary institutions. This year we are funding a record number of student places in New Zealand tertiary institutions but this is currently projected to decline next year partly as a result of the previous Government’s projection for student numbers to fall as a result of the global economic recession. Final decisions will be detailed in the Budget later this month. 
Hon Maryan Street 
: How does he reconcile the addition of a $50 fee on any person with a student loan with last year’s Government legislation offering a 10 percent bonus on any additional loan repayment of $500 or more—which is about $50 in my maths—or is the Government seeking to recover the cost of its own legislation by giving with one hand and taking away with the other? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE 
: I think that 10 percent of a student loan repayment could be any amount of money; it depends on who pays it back. I think it is entirely fair though that the administration— 
Hon Maryan Street 
: No—the bonus legislation. 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE 
: Yes the bonus is 10 percent of the overpayment—that is what it is. I think it is quite fair for administration costs of the scheme to be met by those who participate in it. I think it is entirely fair. There will still be the bonus for early repayment which they will receive on top of that.
Harawira Hone: Employment Relations (Statutory Minimum Redundancy Entitlements) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Harawira Hone: Employment Relations (Statutory Minimum Redundancy Entitlements) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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HONE HARAWIRA (Maori Party—Te Tai Tokerau) 
: 
 Kia ora tatou katoa e te Whare. I was checking out the website hardtimes.org.nz the other day. This website is pushing for a fair deal in hard times. It calls for people to sign a petition hold a workplace meeting or just to read the real-life stories of people who have copped a bad deal in redundancy. It sets out pretty much all the reasons why any decent citizen should support a minimum level of redundancy protection for all workers. What is being proposed here ain’t nothing flash: 4 weeks’ notice; and 4 weeks’ redundancy for the first year and 2 weeks after that up to 26 weeks. But the key focus of the bill is that a redundancy agreement should be part of every employment contract; that if we are really committed to a fair deal in hard times then everyone should be entitled to basic redundancy protection to help them get by between jobs. 
I do not know whether I buy into the exact details of the bill. I can recall a couple of years ago when we were pushing for a minimum wage being rudely reminded by my wife that if I was going to talk about a minimum wage then I had to make sure that my kura Te Rangianiwaniwa and the local iwi radio stations operating under Te Hiku Media were actually paying according to the standards that I was preaching. So I had to have a sit-down with the bosses and go through the numbers. I found out that in both cases we were paying better than most other local businesses but that we were not actually paying the minimum wage in certain cases. However after a review of finances some careful consideration and some creative thinking both Te Rangianiwaniwa and Te Hiku Media were able to make some readjustments to ensure that everyone was being paid at least the minimum wage. I can tell members that that is no mean feat in a town that lies in the heart of the country’s highest Maori unemployment zone. 
That is the challenge I have with this bill; I have not yet had a chance to get the folks at Te Rangianiwaniwa or Te Hiku Media to run the numbers on this redundancy proposal to see whether we can actually operate on the basis found in this bill. But certainly the principle of workers having redundancy protection to tide them over between jobs is a sound one and one that both I and the Maori Party are more than happy to support. We support the Employment Relations Act 2000 we support amendments to make it more worker-friendly and we support pay and employment equity legislation. So we certainly support the intention of this bill to provide all workers with the redundancy support to tide them over the tough times. Kia ora tatou. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Rick Barker) 
: I call Hone Harawira. [ 
Interruption 
] Oh sorry.
Sittings of the House 
Sittings of the House 
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Sittings of the House 
JO GOODHEW (Junior Whip—National) 
: 
 We have made excellent progress this afternoon and this evening; therefore I seek the leave of the House for the House to now rise. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Rick Barker) 
: Leave is sought for that purpose. Is there any objection? There is no objection. The House stands adjourned until 2 p.m. tomorrow. No reira tena koutou tena koutou. Po marie.
Borrows Chester: Electoral (Finance Reform and Advance Voting) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Borrows Chester: Electoral (Finance Reform and Advance Voting) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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CHESTER BORROWS (National—Whanganui) 
: 
 It is good to be able to take a very short call in respect of the Electoral (Finance Reform and Advance Voting) Amendment Bill. It is great to hear members from the Opposition side of the House talk about things like consensus and understanding bearing in mind the atrocity we had regarding the legislation enacted when the previous Labour Government was in office. I commend this bill to the House. 
Debate interrupted.
Vote: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Vote: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill be now read a first time. 
Ayes 64 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Noes 58 
New Zealand Labour 43; Green Party 9; Maori Party 5; Progressive 1. 
Bill read a first time. 
Bill referred to the Local Government and Environment Committee.
Brownlee Gerry: Business of the House 
Brownlee Gerry: Business of the House 
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Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (Leader of the House) 
: 
 Following discussions with the Business Committee I seek leave for members’ notice of motion No. 7 in the name of Phil Twyford concerning nuclear disarmament to be set down as members’ order of the day No. 4 on Wednesday 5 May 2010 despite Standing Order 96 and for there to be a debate of seven speeches of up to 5 minutes each on the question that the motion be agreed to. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy) 
: Leave is sought for that purpose. Is there anyone opposed to that course of action? It appears not. Leave is granted.
Vote: Sentencing and Parole Reform Bill — Second Reading 
Vote: Sentencing and Parole Reform Bill — Second Reading 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments recommended by the Law and Order Committee by majority be agreed to. 
Ayes 63 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5. 
Noes 59 
New Zealand Labour 43; Green Party 9; Maori Party 5; Progressive 1; United Future 1. 
Question agreed to.
Young Jonathan: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Young Jonathan: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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9. 
JONATHAN YOUNG (National—New Plymouth) 
 to the  
Minister of Corrections 
: Has she received any reports that indicate the level of drug use in the country’s prisons? 
Hon JUDITH COLLINS (Minister of Corrections) 
: 
 Yes. Random drug-testing over the last 9 months indicates that the level of drug use in our jails has dropped to its lowest level since 1998. The figures show that positive results have dropped to 10 percent across all prisoners tested throughout the country. Half of New Zealand’s prisons have rates of 10 percent or less with two prisons having no positive results so far this year. Those prisons are Auckland Region Women’s Corrections Facility and Christchurch Women’s Prison. 
Jonathan Young 
: Can she explain the reason for these good results? 
Hon JUDITH COLLINS 
: Yes. One of the main reasons is that legislation passed by this Government has allowed for the monitoring of prisoners’ phone calls and mail. This has enabled the Department of Corrections to more effectively target those responsible for smuggling drugs. Twelve drug-dog teams across New Zealand regularly search visitors and their vehicles prisoners’ cells and incoming mail. I was very impressed by the skills they demonstrated this morning at the national police dog championships. The results also reflect the Government’s commitment to doubling the number of places available for prisoners to undertake treatment for drug and alcohol addiction.
Harawira Hone: Motions — Misuse of Drugs (Classification of Ketamine) Order 2009 and the Misuse of Drugs (Presumption of Supply—Ketamine) Order 2009—Approval 
Harawira Hone: Motions — Misuse of Drugs (Classification of Ketamine) Order 2009 and the Misuse of Drugs (Presumption of Supply—Ketamine) Order 2009—Approval 
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HONE HARAWIRA (Maori Party—Te Tai Tokerau) 
: 
 Tena koe. When this notice motion came up for classification of ketamine under the Misuse of Drugs Act I was hoping that maybe ketamine was a chemical agent used in cigarettes effectively making tobacco an illegal drug. That would have been a great idea supported by the Maori Party and all other parties in the House as well as overseas where a couple of years ago the Commons Science and Technology Committee of the UK Parliament called for a major rethink on the classification of alcohol and tobacco based on the fact that together they account for 90 percent of all drug-related deaths in the UK and are among the top ten most dangerous substances in society. Its report was backed up by research in  
The Lancet 
 and the  
British Medical Journal 
 in 2007 that said that based on physical harm dependence and social harm alcohol and tobacco were ranked among the top 10 most dangerous substances—higher indeed than both cannabis and Ecstasy. But when I read the motion I see that ketamine is something different from tobacco—something altogether milder and way less dangerous—but reclassification of ketamine as a controlled drug will now mean that general practitioners district health boards and vets etc. will have to put it under lock and key and track and record its use which is what the sector has been after for some time so we will support the motion. 
Apparently this ketamine—also known as “special K” and “vitamin K”—is not widely used but the experts tell us that there may be a rise in recreational use with some speculation that its use is growing amongst young people. But in truth the evidence is fairly limited and it makes us wonder what all the fuss is about—only two customs seizures at the border two or three cases of low-level harm each year and no deaths at all. It reminds me of the debate about party pills a couple of years ago. That was the same thing—a big hullabaloo about nothing. There were no deaths no crime no nothing yet we banned that too. 
Ketamine is hardly worth a mention in comparison to tobacco which kills more than 5000 New Zealanders every year—more in fact than any other single product or disease in Aotearoa. Those deaths are preventable. Tobacco is a known cause of lung bladder mouth pancreatic kidney and stomach cancer and is linked to significant causes of heart disease emphysema and other respiratory diseases known to society. We will support this motion but we urge Associate Minister of Health the Hon Peter Dunne to seriously consider alcohol and tobacco use as also worthy of review. Tena koe.
Hutchison Paul: Motions — Misuse of Drugs (Classification of Ketamine) Order 2009 and the Misuse of Drugs (Presumption of Supply—Ketamine) Order 2009—Approval 
Hutchison Paul: Motions — Misuse of Drugs (Classification of Ketamine) Order 2009 and the Misuse of Drugs (Presumption of Supply—Ketamine) Order 2009—Approval 
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Dr PAUL HUTCHISON (National—Hunua) 
: 
 Thank you for the opportunity to speak on this motion on the Misuse of Drugs (Classification of Ketamine) Order 2009 and the Misuse of Drugs (Presumption of Supply—Ketamine) Order 2009. 
The Health Committee considered this matter and as other members of this House do its members feel strongly that it is appropriate to classify the drug accordingly. I note that there are currently no requirements for ketamine to be held securely and that quantities of the drug have recently been stolen from hospital trolleys. Ketamine has potentially harmful effects. It can induce symptoms similar to schizophrenia in healthy adults. There is growing anecdotal evidence of physical and psychological symptoms of ketamine dependence amongst recreational users. Therefore it is highly appropriate that ketamine is scheduled accordingly as a class C4 controlled drug. I too commend this motion to the House.
Bridges Simon: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Bridges Simon: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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11. 
SIMON BRIDGES (National—Tauranga) 
 to the  
Attorney-General 
: What international efforts has the Attorney-General recently participated in to foster increased cooperation in combating transnational criminal offending? 
Hon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON (Attorney-General) 
: 
 Last week I attended a meeting in Washington with the Attorneys-General of the United States England and Wales Canada and Australia. This grouping of common law countries seeks to share ideas and deal with issues of mutual concern including countering violent extremism and organised crime and encouraging closer legal cooperation. As part of the meeting I led a discussion on cooperation in international criminal law proceedings. The discussion explored the possibility of improving cooperation in the investigation and prosecution of cases involving genocide crimes against humanity and war crimes. 
Simon Bridges 
: What progress was made during the recent quintet meeting? 
Hon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON 
: In November 2009 the Attorneys-General agreed to work together this year on a framework for cooperating in combating organised crime. At last week’s meeting the Attorneys-General discussed a multilateral declaration of understanding to give effect to this objective. The declaration is intended to facilitate better coordination in shaping organised crime policy at both the domestic and international levels the sharing of criminal intelligence and assistance in organising criminal investigations and prosecutions.