Volume 681 Week 16 - Wednesday 18 July 2012(continued on Thursday 19 July 2012) 
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Volume 681 Week 16 - Wednesday 18 July 2012(continued on Thursday 19 July 2012) 
[Sitting date: 18 July 2012. Volume:681;Page:3703. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Wednesday 18 July 2012 
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continued on Thursday 19 July 2012 
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Maraeroa A and B Blocks Claims Settlement Bill 
Maraeroa A and B Blocks Incorporation Bill 
Second Readings 
Hon TARIANA TURIA (Minister for Whanau Ora) 
 on behalf of the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations: I move  
That the Maraeroa A and B Blocks Claims Settlement Bill and the Maraeroa A and B Blocks Incorporation Bill be now read a second time 
. These bills give effect to the Maraeroa A and B Blocks deed of settlement which was signed on 12 March 2011 at Pa Harakeke. 
I want firstly to acknowledge the descendants of the original owners of the Maraeroa A and B Blocks comprising individuals from Ngati Rereahu Maniapoto Raukawa Ngati Tuw’aretoa and other iwi and hapu groups. The Maraeroa A and B Blocks are located on the volcanic plateau to the east of Te Kuiti. The beneficiaries of the settlement will be the descendants of the original owners of Maraeroa A and B Blocks regardless of their iwi affiliation. 
It is customary in the stages of Treaty legislation for the House and for the w’anau hapu and iwi concerned to consider the sacrifice and the commitment of those who have acted as guardians and champions of the settlement process. I want today to mihi to Phillip Ngawhira Crown who as chair of Maraeroa A and B Blocks Trust has made such a significant contribution to our collective knowledge of the Rereahu and Maniapoto traditions. Phillip has devoted his life to learning the traditions history customs culture language waiata and genealogy of Rereahu Maniapoto and Tainui. Indeed his publication  
Rereahu Chronicles 
 was launched here in Parliament in 2009. Phillip has been a valued member of the negotiations team that negotiated the deed of settlement and I want to acknowledge his extensive traditional and cultural knowledge which has been called on to confirm the integrity of this claim. I want to also acknowledge Glen Katu trustee who has been such a powerhouse of energy in advancing the settlement legislation that we will be debating today. 
It should be noted that this settlement is outside of the settlement framework and does not comprehensively settle all the claims of the claimant groups. However all claims that relate to the Maraeroa A and B Blocks will be extinguished by settlement. 
As with all Treaty legislation the history that led to this legislation is not a story that we can be proud of as members of Parliament or indeed as New Zealanders. The claims of the descendants of the original owners of Maraeroa A and B Blocks relate primarily to the operation of native land laws of the 19th century which led to the alienation of most of Maraeroa A and B. The Crown acknowledges that in 1862 native land legislation was imposed on the owners without consulting them. To add insult to injury from 1884 to 1908 the Crown had a monopoly over purchasing land from the owners and by 1908 the Crown had purchased 90 percent of Maraeroa A and B Blocks. The blocks contain very significant indigenous forests. The prices paid by the Crown did not appear to include the value of the indigenous timber that was on the land. Felling of the indigenous forest in fact destroyed the habitat of the indigenous flora and fauna. 
The alienation of Maraeroa A and B separated the descendants of the original owners from their wahi tapu and severed their cultural connection to the land. I cannot understand just how significant this dislocation has been. We have many sayings that represent the absolute connection that tangata w’enua—literally the people of the land—have in our connection with the w’enua connections so strong that they have spanned multiple generations and endure as one of the foundation principles that w’anau hapu and iwi exercise in the undertaking of their rights and responsibilities as guardians as tangata tiaki. Manaaki w’enua manaaki tangata haere waka mua—care for the land care for the people go forward. 
In the case of this legislation the loss of these lands undermined the social and traditional tribal structures of the people of Maraeroa A and B and their ability to exercise customary rights and deprived them of the ability to access nga wahi kohinga kai cultural resources and materials. This settlement bill therefore gives effect to the undertakings made by the Crown in the deed of settlement. The redress includes an agreed historical account Crown acknowledgments and apology the vesting of sites of cultural and historical significance a high-level partnership agreement with the Department of Conservation over public conservation lands within the Maraeroa A and B Blocks a financial settlement of $1.8 million and redress over Crown properties including licensed forest land. 
In the framework we have available to us through the cognate bill process today we will also consider the Maraeroa A and B Blocks Incorporation Bill. The incorporation bill will establish a Maori incorporation to form part of the post-settlement governance that will receive and manage the settlement redress on behalf of the claimant community. It was not possible to establish a Maori incorporation through the Maraeroa A and B Blocks Claims Settlement Bill. Part of the first post-settlement governance arrangements is a Maori incorporation that needed to be established through a private bill in order to comply with the Standing Orders. We are considering the two bills together to progress the incorporation bill at the same time as the Maraeroa A and B Blocks Claims Settlement Bill so that the transfer of settlement assets can take place. 
These bills were referred to the Maori Affairs Committee on 8 March 2012. The committee reported back to the House on 14 June 2012 and the committee unanimously supports both bills and has proposed no major amendments. The committee has recommended two technical amendments. One is to clarify the definition of the claimant group by reciting specific Maori Land Court minutes. The other amendment is to remove an unnecessary clause. I wish to thank my parliamentary colleagues on the Maori Affairs Committee for considering these bills in a timely fashion allowing progress to be achieved. 
Finally I would like to thank the trustees of the Te Maru o Rereahu Trust who negotiated the settlement on behalf of the descendants of the original owners of Maraeroa A and B. I trust that the agreement reached with the descendants of the original owners embodied in these bills will enhance the relationship between the Crown and those descendants into the future. Indeed this was a promise that was made when the Crown and tangata w’enua entered into their partnership at Waitangi. Legislation such as this helps us to pave the way for a new approach to the Treaty relationship as a relationship of equals. Tena tatou katoa. 
Hon PAREKURA HOROMIA (Labour—Ikaroa-Rawhiti) 
: 
 Kia ora tena tatou. E mihi kau ana i nga korero a Tariana na te mea i roto i aku he roroa atu te tae o te kereme nei ki te wahi nei hei whakatikatika ma tatou i te mahi raupatu nga mahi taumaha o te kawanatanga e mahi atu ki wenei nga uri o Maraeroa. E taukototia atu te mihimihi ki a Piripi ki a Glen ki a ratou ma na te mea e pai ana e tae atu tatou ki te rangi nei hei whakatikatika 
[ 
Thank you and greetings to us. I acknowledge the sentiments expressed by Tariana because there is a feeling within me that this claim has taken a very very long time to get to this place and for us to consider how the acts of confiscation and the heavy-handedness by government has impacted on these ones the descendants of Maraeroa. I endorse the tributes to Piripi Glen and others because it is good that we have reached this day to make amends 
.] 
Together the two bills that we are discussing today the Maraeroa A and B Blocks Claims Settlement Bill and the Maraeroa A and B Blocks Incorporation Bill give effect to the redress contained in the deed of settlement between the descendants of the original owners of the Maraeroa A and B Blocks and the Crown for the final settlement of historical Treaty of Waitangi claims. The settlement bill records an apology to the descendants of the original owners of Maraeroa A and B Blocks for historical acts or omissions of the Crown including native land laws and the operation of the Native Land Court that led to the alienation of Maraeroa lands like the harvesting of the indigenous native timber and the benefits not being distributed to the owners so many years ago. I want to join in congratulating Te Maru o Rereahu Trust and the trustees Piripi Glen Katu and all of those people who put a lot of effort into making sure that they got to this stage. It is also appropriate to recognise the contributions of officials and Ministers present and past in the sense of the effort to bring this reasonably complicated settlement to this point. Mihi atu ki a koutou katoa. 
The settlement bill records the settlement package which comprises a historical account; an apology; cultural and commercial redress including the transfer of a number of sites of significance to the Maraeroa A and B Blocks Incorporation; and an overlay classification over Pureora o Kahu which provides for the New Zealand Conservation Authority and the co-management and the authority given to the trustees in relation to the values and protection principles in relation to that area. As we said the second part of this legislation in the Maraeroa A and B Blocks Incorporation Bill is something I will discuss later on. The bill “defines the descendants of the original owners of the Maraeroa A and B Blocks as the collective group comprised of individuals who—are descendants of the original owners of the Maraeroa A and B blocks as identified in orders made by the Native Land Court in 1886 and 1891; any whanau hapu or group to the extent that it is composed of the individuals referred to above.” It is interesting to know that the collective of the iwi of Ngati Tuwharetoa Ngati Maniapoto Raukawa and others affiliate to Ngati Rereahu. So it is quite an interesting composition and those people who belong to those other iwi and have other activities through a period of time have collectively come together and are supportive of the trust managing their affairs. 
The claims of the descendants of the original owners relate primarily to the operation of the Native Land Court and Crown purchasing including the failure to ensure the owners as I said earlier on benefited from the distribution. One of the glaring issues was the huge harvesting of the native timbers that were very profitable at that time and no benefits being given down to those people. There are elements of the settlement package in the bill that are quite interesting. Part 1 of course sets out the purpose of the Act but also records and acknowledges the apology given by the Crown. There has been some difficulty in ensuring that that happens and it is pleasing to see that we have got to that stage now. It also “deals with related issues including a consequential amendment to the Treaty of Waitangi Act 1975 and the removal of certain resumptive memorials.” This has taken a lot of discussion in relation to getting that out of the road. 
In Part 2 there are statutory acknowledgments over the culturally significant sites which are very very important to these people and if anything in the discussions that have been put to the forefront in relation to the collective’s needs. There is also an overlay classification of Pureora o Kahu which is important to them and this measure gives them much pride in the sense of getting it back to where it was before the Crown took ownership and did what it did. The two geographic name changes are very interesting—Mangakokakotaea Stream and Mangaparuhou Stream have adjustments in their names. The vesting of the six culturally significant sites in fee simple totalling approximately 1789 hectares is appropriate protection of public interest conservation values and third-party rights—and they are well known for their environmental aptness as an iwi who have practised that long before it became fashionable and they need to be recognised for that. The Maori Affairs Committee has recommended that the definition of “settling group” in clause 11 of the bill should be changed to include citations of dates and minute book references for the relevant judgments and orders made by the Native Land Court so people are reminded through history of why this claim has come about. 
 The second part that we are discussing today the Maraeroa A and B Blocks Incorporation Bill is really important. The bill establishes the Maraeroa A and B Blocks Incorporation as a Maori incorporation and applies specific provisions of Part 13 of Te Ture Whenua Maori Act 1993 to the incorporation. The provisions applied relate to the constitution and powers of the incorporation and to its internal management. The Maraeroa A and B Blocks Claims Settlement Bill provides that the Maraeroa A and B Blocks Incorporation forms part of this settling group’s post-settlement governance framework along with the settlement trust. The incorporation will obtain ownership of cultural redress properties it will receive ownership of the licensed land it will have unrestricted capacity to dispose of settlement property other than that protected land that is vested in it and it will have a restricted capacity to dispose of protected land. 
The effort that has gone into this both by present trustees and people who are not here to see in these final days of this bill has been enormous. It is certainly one of the settlements that we should be excited about as a nation. It certainly tows along a very strong group of people who are kosher in the economic sense but also not just culturally but certainly forerunners for not only Maori people but all New Zealanders in relation to their beliefs in preserving and working with the environment. The Labour Party supports these bills. 
Hon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON (Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations) 
: 
 As previous speakers have said these bills are the result of a tremendous amount of work and dedication. The bills the Maraeroa A and B Blocks Claims Settlement Bill and the Maraeroa A and B Blocks Incorporation Bill give effect to the Maraeroa A and B Blocks deed of settlement that seeks to make right past wrongs as Mr Horomia has said. The Crown acknowledges that the imposition of 19th century native land laws led to the alienation of the vast majority of those blocks and undermined the social and traditional tribal structures of the people of the Maraeroa A and B Blocks. The descendants have worked for a number of years to have their claims addressed by the Crown. In September 2008 draft terms of negotiation were signed with Te Maru o Rereahu Trust and the Crown commenced exploratory work with the interests in those blocks. In July 2009 the Crown agreed to negotiate a block settlement with Te Maru o Rereahu Trust in relation to the Maraeroa A and B Blocks and agreed that the beneficiaries would be all the descendants of the original owners of the blocks. The parties reached an agreed offer in July 2010 and then initialled the deed of settlement in December of the same year. The Crown and descendants signed a deed of settlement on 12 March 2011 after the deed had been ratified. 
Mrs Turia has summarised the settlement redress so I do not intend to repeat that in detail. All I want to do is refer to the fact that the bills were referred to the Maori Affairs Committee on 8 March and the committee reported back to the House on 14 June. I want to thank Mr Henare and the committee for considering these bills in their usual timely and competent fashion. As Mr Horomia said the committee received and considered one submission. 
That is really all I want to say at this stage. I will save more extended comments for the third reading but I do want to conclude with the following to the members of Ngati Rereahu to Ngati Maniapoto Ngati Tuwharetoa Raukawa and other iwi who are the descendants of the original owners of the Maraeroa A and B Blocks that I acknowledge those who suffered from the breaches of the Treaty and who have carried the grievances for so many years. I acknowledge the trustees; their tremendous dedication and determination have been vital in the path toward settlement. 
LOUISA WALL (Labour—Manurewa) 
: 
 Kia ora Mr Speaker. It is my pleasure as a member of the Maori Affairs Committee to follow one of the two Ministers who have put these bills to the House. It is one of the areas that we do have cross-Parliament support for and I too want to acknowledge how well the committee is chaired by the Hon Tau Henare in collaboration with my colleague the Hon Parekura Horomia. But it has been really interesting to come into this term and look at some of the histories of these claims. I do want to take some time just to look at the Maraeroa A and B Blocks Claims Settlement Bill and the Maraeroa A and B Blocks Incorporation Bill. So if we look at the history of this claim we see that in 1986 Charlie Wehi filed a claim with the Waitangi Tribunal relating to the blocks and other tracts of land which was Wai 630. Charlie Wehi passed away and I want to mihi to Charlie’s whanau and all the whanau who are here because I think a lot of the histories in our Treaty settlements were started by a lot of our tupuna who are not here anymore. So this is a very special day for the whanau because it is part of the continuation of that legacy. I want to note that Piripi Crown then became the named claimant and my colleague the Hon Nanaia Mahuta has just said that he was recently honoured in the Queen’s Honours List for his services to Maori so I want to acknowledge that. 
Following extensive discussion with the Crown in 2008 the Crown agreed to negotiate with the trustees of the settling entity the Te Maru o Rereahu Trust and we are where we are today having a deed of settlement drafted. We have a bill before the House. So this bill is based on a settlement of a land block for named descendants only and I want to focus on that because it does not relate to the more typical hapu or iwi settlements. This is actually about the descendants of the original owners of Maraeroa A and B Blocks so it is a very special piece of legislation. I want to highlight the support that has been received within that context by the Maniapoto Maori Trust Board which is supporting the Te Maru o Rereahu Trust. When we look at the whakapapa it is interesting that Maniapoto lived in the 17th century and his father was Rereahu who is the descendant of the Maraeroa Block. Na Raukawa ko Rereahu so Raukawa begat Rereahu. Na Rereahu ko Maniapoto. Rereahu begat Maniapoto—mahi ara tau tika mai ki ahau [ 
to eventually work its way down directly to myself 
]. 
Here I boast of my noble line. I just wanted to recite some of that whakapapa and I also wanted to acknowledge that the incorporation will have one share that will be held by the trustees of the Maraeroa A and B Trust on behalf of the settling group who are the beneficial owners and that the settling group is defined by reference back to specific Native Land Court orders containing the lists of the original owners of the A and B Blocks. 
I want to talk a little bit about those blocks of land. Between 1916 and 1951 the remaining Maori who owned the areas of Maraeroa A and B Blocks were alienated. So today only 7.2 hectares from the Maraeroa A and B Blocks remain in Maori ownership. I think there has been a significant reduction in terms of the total land area that the original owners had and it was thought to be around 47000 acres. So when you think today that the return of those lands is going to be only 7.2 hectares there has been a significant reduction in the original ownership. So I also want to acknowledge that for this settlement there has been a reduction in what the original owners had owned. 
I want to thank the House for the opportunity to speak and I will give my colleagues further opportunity in the third reading. Kia ora. 
DAVID CLENDON (Green) 
: 
 Tena koe. Kei te mihi nui ki a koutou. I am pleased to speak to these two bills the Maraeroa A and B Blocks Claims Settlement Bill and the Maraeroa A and B Blocks Incorporation Bill to acknowledge the importance of both this individual settlement and the arrangements that are made within it and also to comment on the process that we are in today which is the progressing in the most prompt manner possible these settlement bills. They are critically important. In many cases the claimants have waited for a very long time. So the Green members are very pleased to speak in support of both the bills we are discussing today and indeed the process which is allowing them to go through the legislative process as quickly as is appropriate. 
I particularly acknowledge the people who are most affected by these particular bills the settlement bill and the incorporation bill. Ngati Rereahu Ngati Maniapoto Ngati Tuwharetoa Raukawa and nga iwi katoa and nga hapu katoa are affected by these settlements today. 
The incorporation bill is particularly interesting as has been noted to the effect that it creates a body—an umbrella body if you will—that enables a degree at least of decision making of authority to be returned to the people who ought to have that authority to make decisions about the ongoing use and the future of the land. It is an interim step as the Minister for Whanau Ora Mrs Turia in introducing this reading acknowledged but it is a very positive and useful step towards a final resolution of what are quite complex claims. The incorporation part clearly does reflect the fact that historically there was shared use of the resource of the land in question. Maori of course have very different notions of ownership than Western thought has but have a very clear-cut sophisticated and well-understood system of user rights shared user rights and access to resources at different times of the year through different seasons for different purposes. The establishment of this incorporation would seem to capture the essence of that cross-hapu and cross-iwi understanding that a resource can be shared and can be administered collectively for the collective good and that is an entirely appropriate and a very positive outcome of this. 
The question of ownership has been very much in the news of late. There is an ongoing process not very far from here at Waiwhetu Marae that is seeking to resolve some of the outstanding issues that will continue to in a sense bedevil the resolution of settlement processes. But the fact that these conversations are occurring is a positive sign. It is a positive thing. In terms of trying to unpick these notions of ownership governance kawanatanga and rangatiratanga it is worth getting back occasionally I think to first principles. At one level the question was raised last week at Waiwhetu Marae whether the English text of the Treaty and the Maori text of Te Tiriti are irreconcilable. The comment was made in response to that question that in fact trying to reconcile those two versions of our Tiriti is a bit like trying to reconcile boiling water and ice which was not a very hopeful position perhaps. But nevertheless for a great deal of the last 150 or more years there have been processes conversations arguments and on occasion much more than simply argument seeking to reconcile what at the front of it may appear to be irreconcilable: to bring together or at least to find a middle road between the rightful claim of iwi and hapu to exercise their chieftainship their rangatiratanga while allowing the Crown to govern. 
It is fair to say that some of the dispute and some of the ongoing concerns about what constitutes ownership what constitutes user rights and what is the nature of the rights that Maori rightfully claim get back to a more fundamental issue—an issue of world view in fact—and that is the very different cosmology of Western and Maori thought. Clearly the Western tradition that came to New Zealand in the early 1880s—the late 18th century in fact—was based on Christian theory the Christian belief structure which puts humanity mankind as the crown of creation gives people dominion over all things and establishes a very hierarchical relationship with people at the top and all other beings subservient in a sense. That is very much at odds with Maori cosmology the Maori belief system which is much more horizontal and sees people humanity in a familial relationship with other species with other plants with maunga with awa with ngahere and with everything that lives in them. It is a very very different cosmology and a fundamentally different belief system. Clearly a lot of the practical pragmatic resolutions we are trying to seek must understand and acknowledge that those world views are coming from a profoundly different belief system and base and that is clearly at the heart of some of the difficulty in this. These settlement bills these deals that are being done are endeavouring to reconcile the language of a covenant that was signed in 1840 and equally endeavouring to reconcile two very different and often conflicting belief systems. 
I would argue—in fact it is my firm belief—that the Maori belief system is one that is based much more in humility than in pride and I think that that humility comes through in the willingness of iwi and hapu to accept less than they could reasonably expect to acknowledge that we have moved on and that full and total restitution of what was lost would effectively cripple the economy and would lead to complete social breakdown. The humility and the willingness of iwi and hapu to accommodate the reality of the 21st century I think must be acknowledged and indeed praised. That willingness to accommodate has been reflected today by the particular hapu and iwi who are most affected by this bill. 
Clearly all of these settlements are aimed at restoring the rightful authority to make decisions about the use of the resources in question the right to benefit and to distribute benefit from the use of those resources and critically to fulfil the absolute obligation that Maori as kaitiaki feel to protect and preserve the resource not only for the present day but critically for the future generation. We inherit these resources from our tupuna. We have an absolute obligation to pass them on in at least as good a condition as we find them and preferably in a better state. All of these bills and specifically the Maraeroa agreements that we are seeking to progress today are fundamentally about that—preservation of the mana of the people who have absolute authority or ought to have that authority to make decisions and to fulfil that obligation as kaitiaki to pass on a better future to the generations coming after us. 
That is sufficient for now. Again I offer our regard to the folk affected by the settlement our acknowledgment of the work that has been done so far by all sides in this agreement and our hope and belief that these bills will advance to an appropriate settlement promptly. Kia ora. 
KATRINA SHANKS (National) 
: 
 Kia ora. It is my honour and privilege to be speaking on these very important claims settlement bills today. I would firstly like to acknowledge the two Ministers who have already spoken this morning and thank you for your contribution especially the Hon Chris Finlayson for the hard work he has put into these settlements so that we are here today for their second reading. I would also like to acknowledge the work of the Maori Affairs Committee which I am a member of which is very capably led by the Hon Tau Henare. When these bills first came into the select committee Mr Henare said to us that the most important thing is that these bills move swiftly through our select committee because iwi have waited long enough. And that is why we are here today. It is important that we recognise the need to right the wrongs of the past and to strengthen the move forward with the relationships between iwi and the Crown. I would like to acknowledge those who are no longer with us who have shown commitment and courage on this journey. They are the inspiration—the mana—for future generations and the reason why we are all here today. 
Today’s settlement legislation is the chance for iwi and the Crown to join to help guide us and our children’s paths to unify cultural heritage and financial prosperity. I would like to offer respect to all iwi who are descendants of the original owners of Maraeroa A and B Blocks. I would also like to acknowledge how historically the Crown deprived these iwi of control of large quantities of their land for many decades during the 20th century. I hope the ties between us can now be strengthened through the settlement legislation and we can contribute to uphold the cultural richness that you have tied to your land. It has been a long journey for many of the iwi and not for one moment do we take this for granted. 
The Maraeroa A and B Blocks are located south-west of Te Kuiti. This area is of great significance and sacred to many iwi involved. This legislation acknowledges the financial but more important the cultural and spiritual loss that undermined the connection these iwi had to their lands. The settlement is between the Crown and the settling group persons collectively and individually who descend from one or more of the original owners of Maraeroa A and B Blocks and as identified in either or both relevant orders of the Native Land Court made in 1886 and 1891. Through this legislation iwi of this land will obtain ownership of cultural redress properties will receive ownership of the licensed land will have unrestricted capacity to dispose of settlement property that is vested in it and will have restricted capacity to dispose of protected land. 
A commitment between the Crown and the involved iwi is crucial for us to move forward into the future. By working together we will be able to address the conservation issues of the land. It is important through co-governance we facilitate with the iwi the care and management access and use and development and revitalisation of this land. We agree that the past cannot be erased. The Crown acknowledges this and understands the cultural significance this legislation has to the people involved. The settlement will provide an economic base for these iwi and their children to invest in. We not only want to help nurture the land for the iwi but also to invest in and develop the social economic and cultural aspects addressed in the redress package. We intend to continue the traditions of the people of this land and the surrounding community. We want iwi to benefit from the settlement and be reassured in the Crown’s duty to protect what is important to them. 
Being involved in the Treaty settlement process has been a humbling experience for me. I am honoured to be part of this important chapter for iwi and Crown and I look forward to speaking in the third reading of this legislation in the near future. Thank you. 
BRENDAN HORAN (NZ First) 
: 
 Ka tangi te titi ka tangi te kaka ka tangi hoki ahau tihei mauri ora. E nga iwi e nga reo e nga mana e nga matawaka tena tatou a tena koutou tena koutou tena koutou katoa. E rau rangatira ma ka mihi ake i runga i te karanga o te ra. Tena koutou tena koutou tena ano tatou katoa. 
[ 
The muttonbird cries the parrot cries and I cry as well; behold the breath of life. To the tribes languages authorities and clans salutations to us collectively and acknowledgments greetings and welcome to us all. To the many leaders I salute you in regard to the call of the day. Greetings greetings and greetings once again to all of us. 
] 
I rise on behalf of New Zealand First to support these second readings of the Maraeroa A and B Blocks Claims Settlement Bill and the Maraeroa A and B Blocks Incorporation Bill. I acknowledge the work of all of those who have strived so hard to get to this point those who have passed away and those still living who have persevered and endured and are eager to see the culmination of such collective effort. New Zealand First would like to see this section of the process move through as expeditiously as possible. We support and look forward to the third readings of the settlement bill and the incorporation bill next week. Kia ora. 
Hon TAU HENARE (National) 
: 
 Te mea tuatahi ki a koutou e aku rangatira tena koutou. Mihi au ki a Tuwharetoa mo tana tangata tana ariki no reira ka mihi ka mihi ka mihi. Tuwharetoa Rereahu Maniapoto Raukawa roroa te taima i tatari ana ratou mo o ratou taonga no reira kai a koutou e aku rangatira i roto i era iwi i era hapu a tena koutou tena koutou kia ora. 
[ 
First of all greetings to you my chiefs. I acknowledge Tuwharetoa in respect of their man and aristocrat. My admiration and respect for him is boundless. You have waited a long time for your possessions Tuwharetoa Rereahu Maniapoto and Raukawa. They are there with you my lords in other tribes and subtribes. So salutations and acknowledgments to you collectively; thank you. 
] 
Rather than repeat what everybody else has said I say it is a good time to be Maori. Rather than treat these bills the Maraeroa A and B Blocks Claims Settlement Bill and the Maraeroa A and B Blocks Incorporation Bill like an inquest or a coroner’s report we should actually be celebrating the great tapestry of stories and songs of Treaty settlements. They are not just about saying: “Sorry. Here’s 10 bucks. Go away.” They are about the great tapestry of stories and songs that this nation has and they play a huge part in the story of this land. They are not about just settling somebody’s grievance; they are about telling the story of whence we came and where we are going and all the little bits and pieces the ins and outs of the great tapestry that is Aotearoa that is New Zealand. 
I will leave my comments there other than to say thank you very much to the most capable Hon Chris Finlayson the Hon Tariana Turia and my colleagues on the Maori Affairs Committee who I must say are on the busiest committee around. 
RINO TIRIKATENE (Labour—Te Tai Tonga) 
: 
 Tena koe e te Kaiwhakamana. Tena korua e nga minita me nga mema o te Whare tena koutou. Nga uri o Takao a Raukawa Rereahu Maniapoto me nga uri o Tia te tipuna o Tuwharetoa kua haramai nei ki roto i tenei Whare tena koutou tena koutou tena koutou katoa. 
[ 
Greetings to you Mr Deputy Speaker and to you two Ministers and to members of the House salutations to you collectively. To the descendants of Takao namely of the Raukawa Rereahu Maniapoto tribes and those of Tia the Tuwharetoa ancestor acknowledgments salutations and greetings to you all 
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I am very pleased to rise and speak in the second readings of these two bills the Maraeroa A and B Blocks Claims Settlement Bill and the Maraeroa A and B Blocks Incorporation Bill. Like the chair of the Maori Affairs Committee—and my whanaunga—Tau Henare I do not care to traverse all the details and all the different aspects of the history and elements of the bills and the settlement so I will keep my remarks quite general. I think those aspects have been adequately covered by my colleagues thus far. My comments are really just in relation to what my colleague Mr Clendon touched on—the notions of ownership and other general matters in terms of the history the connection of our people to our whenua and the movement of our people and how those movements and the connections that were made around the motu have brought us to the situation that we are dealing with now with the Maraeroa A and B Blocks. 
As a first-time member of this House I am humbly reminded of the real reason why our people elected their Maori representatives to this House the Whare Paremata. The Maori MPs have traditionally been elected and still are to represent the many take that have been put forward by aggrieved relatives and that is the case right across the motu. I acknowledge the mana of the ancestors of the hapu represented here today whom I mentioned in my mihi at the start. It is easy to forget that Tuwharetoa Raukawa Maniapoto and Rereahu were actual people who had wives children and a following and they practised their own forms of tino rangatiratanga and mana motuhake on their whenua. We refer to ourselves by the name of our tupuna like “Oh he’s a Tuwharetoa.” or “She’s from Raukawa.” I would like to acknowledge those tupuna who have gone before those eponymous ancestors who were just ordinary men ordinary folk trying to make the best decisions for themselves and for their kin. 
Thank goodness for whakapapa because if it were not for the work of our oral historians and the early Maori informants and transcribers much more of Aotearoa would have been alienated by today. Much of today’s cultural redress—and this is where I am getting to the elements of this bill—is due to the Pakeha system of ownership with fee simple titles and straight lines on maps. Those things are anathema to Maori but that is the system of land tenure that we have today. They were definitely foreign way back in the 1860s. To Maori the notion of ownership was the old system of micro-management of the estate pre-arranged war pre-arranged marriage and the inevitable pre-arranged hakari at the end of it. Those concepts sit much better in the Maori mind. You know the war is not over until both sides say so. That suggests constant dialogue and that is much more important to Maori than what the Pakeha system of land tenure has done for the history of this country. 
For 150 years the descendants of the original owners of Maraeroa A and B Blocks were excluded from their ancient rights and practices on their whenua because the lands and survey department had taken a wrong creek made a wrong mark gone down the wrong ridge. Those arbitrary actions or those careless— 
Hon Parekura Horomia 
: On purpose. 
RINO TIRIKATENE 
: Well purposely careless actions on a piece of paper. Those moments of carelessness started a 150-year mamae of resentment and grievance. So it is really humbling for me to be able to stand as a Maori member of this House to rectify these actions—or to put in some measure of rectification—through the enactment of these bills and these settlements. 
Another aspect of being Maori is whakapapa. I always like if I am speaking about something to try to draw on a connection something that I can relate to. I am very proud of the Ngati Rarua and Ngati Tama connection that I have through the Poutini Ngai Tahu side down there on the West Coast. While there was all the intra-tribal and hapu fighting that was going on up there between Rereahu Raukawa and Toa Rangatira Ngati Rarua and Ngati Tama sort of ventured down to Te Upoko o Te Ika then hopped over and went down into Te Wai Pounamu. Again it is an example of the movement of people and the conflicts but also the marriages and the peace and the kaitakawaenga that resulted from a lot of that. So I am proud to make that connection to my smidgen of Rarua and Tama whakapapa which goes all the way back up to whanaunga of Rereahu Raukawa and Maniapoto. We all go back to the  
Tainui 
 waka. It is great to be able to sort of claim some connection to these people and these bills and this rectification of their settlement through these bills. 
I want to make a final remark. We talk about a lot of these settlements having elements of giving or gifting back lands that were taken and certain covenants. I want to make sure that Maori are able to exercise full mana motuhake over their lands that are returned to them if that is their wish. I know there are a lot of covenants and restrictions these days. I am a South Island landless native. We were landless in the south and we were given wastelands way way down at the bottom of nowhere where no one ever ventured as compensation as an economic base. So yes I am a present-day descendant of the original owners—much like the descendants of the original owners of the Maraeroa A and B Blocks—of those lands but in practical terms we cannot do anything with those lands because there are restrictions that are placed all over them. That is one area that I hope to rectify during my tenure in this august House. 
That is really all I would like to say. I am keeping my remarks general. But I mihi to the whanau of the original owners of the Maraeroa A and B Blocks. I commend the Te Maru o Rereahu Trust for all the work that those people have put into advancing this settlement. At the end of the day the descendants of the four iwi involved in today’s settlement legislation can finally lay to rest the grievance of their grandparents. I mihi to them all and I commend these bills to the House. 
LOUISE UPSTON (National—Taupo) 
: 
 Tena koe e te Mana Whakawa. Tena koe e te Whare. I am proud to speak in the second readings of the Maraeroa A and B Blocks Claims Settlement Bill and the Maraeroa A and B Blocks Incorporation Bill. I am the member of Parliament for the Taupo electorate and my rohe covers some of the area of the individuals from Ngati Maniapoto Raukawa and Ngati Tuwharetoa and I also welcome Ngati Rereahu. I do want to just say briefly as this is the first time I have spoken in the House since the passing of Timi te Heuheu I do want to acknowledge the fantastic work he has done not only for Tuwharetoa but also for this country. So I want to put my comments and my acknowledgment of him on the record and I offer my aroha to his whanau and to Georgina in particular. 
The essence of these second readings is to move quickly as my colleagues have said so I will not say anything further here but I do look forward to speaking further in the third readings. Kia ora. 
Maraeroa A and B Blocks Claims Settlement Bill read a second time. 
Maraeroa A and B Blocks Incorporation Bill read a second time. 
Ngati Makino Claims Settlement Bill 
Second Reading 
Hon TARIANA TURIA (Minister for Whanau Ora) 
 on behalf of the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations: I move  
That the Ngati Makino Claims Settlement Bill be now read a second time 
. This Chamber is a long way from t he maunga of Matawhaura the beautiful moana of Rotoehu the w’enua that runs from lakes Rotoiti and Rotoma to the coast. Helping to bring the Bay of Plenty into the Beehive has been an outstanding team of negotiators within Ngati Makino and this legislation brings to an end their years of struggle to have their claims negotiated by the Crown. The leadership demonstrated over the years has been impressive and I want to stand today to acknowledge and mihi to the efforts and investment that have been made by Awhi Awhimate Te Ariki Morehu Morris Meha Neville Nepia Hoani Atutahi and Te Ngaru Awhimate who have helped pave the way forward to this day. Ngati Makino are a proud iwi and their negotiations team has worked tirelessly with great vision to achieve a settlement that acknowledges the spiritual and cultural associations with their land and also achieves a sustainable future for their descendants. 
The Treaty settlement process for Ngati Makino has been at the least a long one. Kawana Te Kirikau first initiated their claim in 1992 and in time claims were filed on behalf of Ngati Makino and known in shorthand as Wai 275 Wai 334 Wai 1071 and Wai 1372. A committee was formed to oversee the claim with the support of administrative staff legal advisers and researchers. In 1997 the Ngati Makino claimant community mandated the Ngati Makino Heritage Trust to negotiate a settlement. The hard work and dedication of this team saw it sign terms of a negotiation with the former Treaty Minister Sir Douglas Graham in 1998. Following the signing of these terms of negotiations all negotiations ceased despite Ngati Makino’s efforts to engage with the Crown. In 2004 and again in 2005 the Waitangi Tribunal acknowledged that Ngati Makino had suffered prejudice as a result of the Crown’s delay in negotiating with them recommending that their unique circumstances required that they be prioritised in any central North Island negotiation. Finally on 21 February 2008 Ngati Makino Heritage Trust and Waitaha entered into joint terms of negotiations with the Crown. On 7 April 2008 the Crown reconfirmed the mandate of Ngati Makino Heritage Trust to negotiate on behalf of their iwi. 
Today brings that journey into focus but of course the journey that we are debating today dates even further back following the dire impact of the 1866 Eastern Bay of Plenty raupatu at Ngati Makino. Their claims relate to the Crown’s failure to provide Ngati Makino with a form of collective title in the native land laws until 1894 the improper land purchase techniques used by the Crown and the Crown’s failure to ensure that Ngati Makino were left with sufficient land for their present and future needs. Through these acts and omissions the Crown its Ministers and Government departments have dishonoured the Treaty of Waitangi its principles and its spirit denigrating te mana motuhake o Ngati Makino. 
The acknowledgment today from the Crown is a first step in restoring honour and doing what is right to rectify the previous harm that has been endured by this proud iwi. The bill gives effect to the undertakings by the Crown in the Ngati Makino deed of settlement and includes an agreed historical account and Crown acknowledgments and cultural redress including the vesting of eight sites of special significance including transferring of three sites within the Rotoehu Conservation Forest: Te Kohanga Nga Porotai-o-Waitaha-a-Hei and a 3-hectare site for a wananga. The redress also includes Raukau o Kauwae Hapa; the maunga tupuna Matawhaura jointly with Ngati Pikiao through the affiliate Te Arawa iwi and hapu settlement; and the balance of Matawhaura. It includes overlay classifications statutory acknowledgments and deeds of recognition over sites of significance and relationship redress including protocols with Government departments and letters of introduction to local government authorities. 
The deed of settlement also includes within its framework of redress financial measures including $6.7 million quantum including interest; the purchase of 3450 hectares of the Rotoehu West Forest Crown licensed land out of the settlement funds; a right of first refusal over five parcels of public conservation land and the opportunity to enter a sale and leaseback agreement over the Otamarakau School site. 
The extent of the offence incurred the injury experienced and the trauma endured will not be easily if ever forgotten and we must as a nation shift our thinking that we can repair the harm that has been done by an act of legislation alone because the greatest challenge ahead of us all is about our ongoing relationships and how we actually move forward together in Aotearoa New Zealand. 
I want for one minute to reflect back to the original tupuna Makino born in the middle of the 16th century. Makino was known as a woman of great repute a woman schooled in the houses of higher learning of the Te Arawa people. She followed in the footsteps of her father the renowned warrior Kawiti. Makino worked to build up the strength of her people and this is evidenced by the many cultivations around the Rotoehu and Rotoma areas stretching forth to the coastal settlements. Because of her outstanding leadership qualities and noble birth Makino was able to forge alliances with tribes beyond the Te Arawa confederation. Today we think of that proud history and the perseverance and resilience of the people to continue to advance progress onwards. 
The Ngati Makino Claims Settlement Bill was referred to the Maori Affairs Committee on 16 February 2012. The Maori Affairs Committee reported back to the House on 14 June 2012 recommending that the bill be passed with four minor technical amendments. I want to acknowledge the dedication of my parliamentary colleagues on the Maori Affairs Committee who have led this bill expeditiously through the select committee process so that Ngati Makino can receive their redress as soon as possible. I support the second reading of the Ngati Makino Claims Settlement Bill and look forward to it progressing to its third reading. I want to take the opportunity to mihi to my colleague the Hon Minister Christopher Finlayson for the huge work that he puts in to our Treaty settlements process. Na reira tena koutou. 
Hon PAREKURA HOROMIA (Labour—Ikaroa-Rawhiti) 
: 
 In beginning I want to reiterate what the Hon Tariana Turia said and recognise the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations presently Chris Finlayson for the effort he has put in and also the Maori Affairs Committee which I am lucky enough to be part of led ably—most of the time—by Tau Henare. I also want to recognise people like Michael Cullen who are not here and the officials. It is also important to give congratulations and thanks to Awhi Awhimate and Te Ariki Morehu—Te Ariki has been a long proponent of getting towards a finishing date and I know that he would look forward to this—and Morris Meha Neville Nepia and the Ngati Makino Heritage Trust. The journey for Ngati Makino has been particularly long. The terms of negotiation were originally signed in 1998 and then the Crown withdrew from negotiations with Ngati Makino and did not re-engage with Ngati Makino until 2008. I commend all officials and Ministers involved over a period of time for getting to that point. It is also appropriate to recognise the contribution of those people outside of the core group who have worked hard to get this Ngati Makino Claims Settlement Bill to where it is today. 
This bill spells out one of the tortuous journeys that a people—iwi Maori—have had to suffer right from 1863. The war between the Crown and the Kingitanga was something that brought tension to the region and certainly the Kingitanga was strong in its views and why it was holding to its beliefs. It did create a bit of a split in Ngati Makino where some sided with the Kingitanga and some with the Crown. But through the years there was conflict and in 1865 when the Crown sought those responsible for some of the killings in the war Ngati Makino certainly suffered. The Crown deemed that certain tribes had been in rebellion and confiscated approximately 448000 acres of land in the Eastern Bay of Plenty. From that point on Ngati Makino certainly suffered severe disadvantage. 
They went through other stages when they preferred to lease the land that the Crown finally gave them and they got into sales but there were also huge debts placed on them in relation to survey costs. The accruing charges became so enormous that they sold land on to wipe the bills. Those sorts of actions were unnecessary and unfair and now we get to this stage of putting right that past wrong and certainly the Minister needs to be commended for his effort. By 1900 Ngati Makino was virtually landless. Nevertheless the Crown compulsorily acquired further Ngati Makino lands and the public lands that forestry was put on to and it encouraged those members from the 1920s to work on those public lands. So a lot of the Ngati Makino people then moved in the 1940s 1950s and 1960s to be involved in a lot of the labouring that was made available on these big Crown estates. It is certainly exciting and encouraging to see parts of the settlement trying to put some of that right. 
The bill records the settlement package which comprises a historical account an apology and cultural and commercial redress including the transfer of eight sites of significance to the Ngati Makino Heritage Trust and a whenua rahui classification over 256 hectares of the Lake Rotoma Scenic Reserve which provides for the Crown to acknowledge Ngati Makino values in relation to the area. It includes relationship redress including protocols with the Minister for Arts Culture and Heritage and the Minister of Energy and Resources. Again in most of the journeys of these bills and discussions I encourage the Minister to take an active role in ensuring that those Government agencies and those Ministers live true to the word in the settlement because at times I think it has let slip for a host of reasons. Minister I would again encourage you to make sure of that because it is important to them. There is the $1 million already paid for the Ngati Makino marae restoration and revitalisation the half a million dollars already paid to assist with identification in remedy of the social services needs and the $9.8 million plus interest accruing from the date of the agreement in principle and the purchase of the balance of the Rotoehu West Forest licensed lands. 
The Maori Affairs Committee has examined the bill and heard from submitters. Although some submitters opposed the settlement it was recommended strongly that it be passed with amendments including that first it provides for the New Zealand Conservation Authority or a conservation board to have particular regard to Ngati Makino’s values and protection principles. 
This is one of the settlements that has been long overdue not just because of the period of time and history but also because of the way that the Government at certain periods has tried to sidestep putting right the wrong. Today we certainly join in supporting this bill from our side of the House and look forward to the finality next Thursday. 
Hon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON (Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations) 
: 
 I too acknowledge those who have represented Ngati Makino over a period of many years to achieve this settlement. I was really pleased on behalf of the Crown to sign the deed of settlement with Ngati Makino on 2 April 2011. Other speakers have spoken about the components of the redress which has numerous aspects but today I want to particularly mention the preamble and the historical account. I think it was Louisa Wall who said a few minutes ago that one of the fascinating things about being involved in this work is that you learn about the history of your country. But I think all too often some people think: “Oh well the iwi are concerned only about the commercial redress.” But the historical redress is actually very very important and both the preamble and the historical account—drawn up over a period of time by the elders and on the Crown’s side by very experienced historians—should be more widely read. 
Just the other day I was reading the preamble and the historical account in relation to the Waikato-Tainui legislation about the river and the recognition by the Crown of the rights and interests of Waikato-Tainui in that river. I think that it is important that these parts of redress are properly acknowledged. Mr Horomia has referred to some of it. I suggest for example that people look at clause 7 of the preamble and the surveying costs that were imposed on Ngati Makino in relation to their lands and the Crown preventing Ngati Makino from selling land to private parties. Those are the sorts of grievances that have been carried down through the years and what this settlement intends and hopefully will address in a just and a durable manner because the history up there was not flash. 
I too acknowledge the comments that Mr Horomia made about looking to the future. For example I as Minister for Arts Culture and Heritage and the Minister for Energy and Resources Phil Heatley will be issuing protocols to the iwi. Letters of introduction will be sent to local authorities encouraging the development of positive relationships with Ngati Makino. But I agree with Mr Horomia: it is all very well to sign the deed and to write the letters but there is a new relationship and it has to be a fruitful one and there is an obligation on the Crown after settlement to make sure it lives up to the provisions of the deed. 
The bill was read for the first time and referred to the Maori Affairs Committee on 16 February and I want to again express my thanks to the outstanding chair of that committee Mr Henare and his wonderful team for their very efficient and timely dispatch of the legislation. Mr Henare is to be commended. I think it will get better as the morning goes on. In the previous speech he was a “fine one” now he is regarded as “outstanding”; by the end of the day he will be intergalactic! Or is that Mr Groser’s title? 
To the people of Ngati Makino I acknowledge those who have suffered breaches of the Treaty. Do you know that the claims were first presented to the tribunal as far back as 1995? Some of the leaders have now passed on. I acknowledge their vision and determination. We would not be here today without them. I am really pleased that we are beginning the final stages in the passage of this legislation and will have a lot more to say during the third reading. 
Hon NANAIA MAHUTA (Labour—Hauraki-Waikato) 
: 
 Tena koutou katoa. Tenei ka tu ake ki te tautoko i te panui tuarua ki tenei pire mo Ngati Makino. No reira ki a koutou e pa mai tenei ahuatanga kei runga i tenei Whare Paremata ki te tuku i nga whakaaro o te komiti whakahaere e pa ana ki nga pire tiriti. 
[ 
Greetings to you all. I rise in support of the second reading of this bill about Ngati Makino. So to you collectively affected by this situation upon this House I express some thoughts about select committee procedure in relation to treaty bills. 
] 
I too just wanted to take a short moment to acknowledge the contribution and role of Timi te Heuheu. I would certainly agree with previous comments that he was a man much skilled in the task of diplomacy. It is only right that we recognise him this morning when we are talking about Treaty settlement legislation because he was very keenly aware of how important it was to ensure that historical redress for Treaty grievances would be achieved but more enduring was the importance of the relationship between iwi and the Crown. I want to acknowledge the work that the Government has put into continuing in a progressive manner the Treaty settlement process. 
With regard to Ngati Makino specifically I want to make just a small contribution with relation to the aspirations around the conservation estate and the fact that it was a very clear expectation from Ngati Makino that their values would be protected and provided for in the management of whenua rahui. That is really important because what has become a defining feature of many Treaty settlements of this day and age is an expectation that the conservation kaitiakitanga principles that iwi and Maori have can be reflected within the management practices of today’s time in the conservation estate. Those values are not too far apart from the values that every New Zealander aspires to hold true for the ongoing management of conservation lands. 
From Subpart 3 clause 37 right through to about clause 49 are the specific aspects of the Ngati Makino Claims Settlement Bill relating to the conservation expectations of Ngati Makino. I have read them with some interest. I am pleased to see that their values will be integrated into the management plan of their whenua rahui. I am pleased to see that that will ensure that Ngati Makino will continue to have a say in the plans and the ongoing future aspects of conservation heritage protection of those particular areas. Probably what is more notable—and it really draws on the previous comment raised by the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations—was that these settlements are of practical real benefit to both the people and parties involved underpinning that it is an enduring relationship. I see that that is the intention of these particular sections and I look forward to Ngati Makino certainly expressing their values and their important role as kaitiakitanga going forward into the future. 
I did not want to take too much more time except to say that it is quite a feat for the Maori Affairs Committee to get through Treaty settlement legislation in such an efficient manner. I am under no shadow of a doubt that it does work very hard but to bring bills to the House and have about five or six debated on a single day or in a morning I think is exemplary of a process that is keen to see Treaty settlement legislation progressed not only for the greater benefit of the parties involved but also so that people can get on with looking forward into the future. So without too much more I want to thank all those people who have been involved in Ngati Makino those kaumatua their advisers their iwi for pursuing a settlement with the Crown; and also to the Crown advisers who worked tirelessly to advise the Minister and prepare legislation reflecting the intent of the deed; and certainly to the select committee and its clerks. Kia ora. 
DENISE ROCHE (Green) 
:  
Tena koe Mr Assistant Speaker. Tena koe ki te Whare. Rau rangatira ma tenei te mihi ki a koutou i runga i te kaupapa o te ra. Tena koutou nga rangatira o Ngati Makino tena koutou tena koutou tena koutou katoa. 
[ 
Thank you Mr Assistant Speaker and greetings to you the House. To the many leaders I acknowledge you collectively in regard to the matter of the day 
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It is my privilege to rise to take this call for the Greens. We will be supporting this bill the Ngati Makino Claims Settlement Bill. I must first state that although this bill is a settlement for Ngati Makino we maintain that it is a deal—the best deal that can be had at this time no doubt—but in no way does it compensate for the total loss and the total injustices that Ngati Makino have endured since the 1840s. 
In the 1860s Ngati Makino were drawn into war and suffered losses of their people in the battle of Te Ranga. In 1866 they suffered land confiscation which affected all Ngati Makino not just those few who had taken part in the conflict. Ngati Makino lost 82000 hectares of land and by 1900 had only 3.6 percent of their original land holdings at Waitahanui Tahunaroa and Whakarewa left. In the first few decades of the 1900s Ngati Makino faced further land losses with the Crown deliberately alienating Ngati Makino from the land through various pieces of legislation and compulsorily acquiring additional land for scenic reserves and the like. By 1992 Ngati Makino retained only 0.6 percent of the Waitahanui Tahunaroa and Whakarewa blocks. 
In clause 6 of the settlement bill the Crown acknowledges its culpability and in subclause (11)(d) also acknowledges that “the lands formerly in Ngati Makino’s possession have contributed to the wealth and development of New Zealand while Ngati Makino have been deprived of the benefits of those lands;”. It is fantastic that these claims are finally being addressed. We acknowledge the long process that the people of Ngati Makino have undertaken to finally get redress. The first Treaty claim was lodged 20 years ago. The deed of settlement was initialled in 2008 and finally signed in April 2011. 
We acknowledge that in common with other Treaty settlements there have been concerns about cross-claims. Iwi and hapu do not live inside a jam jar. Ancestors are shared and land and awa are sacred to many and that can be fraught with difficulties when it comes to negotiating a settlement. So we acknowledge those other iwi and hapu who have those ties. 
In clause 6 of the settlement bill the Government also acknowledges the many times that the Crown and its Government agencies breached the Treaty of Waitangi. Make no mistake this bill as a settlement is an indication of the generosity of Ngati Makino. The redress that is contained in this bill does not in any way compensate for the losses that they suffered. Those losses included the loss of land the loss of their economic opportunity of mana of their right to rangatiratanga of their guardianship of their land and waters and there is no way to compensate for the personal losses and the loss of well-being that generations have endured. This settlement bill is a sign of goodwill. This settlement signals an undertaking by Ngati Makino that they are willing to continue to build a relationship with the Crown—and I acknowledge the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations for his work in this area—and that they are prepared to maintain their side of the agreement that is the Treaty of Waitangi. 
The restoration of some land and some compensation is often misunderstood by the wider public. As an MP it has been a huge privilege to stand here in this House and learn about and speak about this settlement. But there are others who do not have a clear idea of the history of our country let alone the injustices that have occurred to so many iwi and hapu across Aotearoa New Zealand. Some of those people simply do not understand that all New Zealanders gain from these Treaty settlements. Yesterday at the Maori Affairs Committee we heard from the Minister Mr Finlayson about the enormous economic benefits Treaty settlements have contributed to whole regions. He noted in particular the settlements of the late 1990s and the economic powerhouses that both Waikato-Tainui and Ngai Tahu have become as a result of the settlements that they received and how that has benefited both Maori and Pakeha. They have used those settlements to develop their assets and to create jobs in their area. Ngati Makino can now look forward to building their own economic benefits within their rohe too. 
There are those in New Zealand who do not recognise or understand what the Treaty of Waitangi is all about who do not understand that the Treaty is the foundation that gives us all the right to stand here in this place in this country that it gives rights to tauiwi as well as rights—which have frequently been trampled on—to iwi. It is for this reason that I fear that while we settle some claims there may well be more to come. 
At the first reading of this bill which was joined with that of Ngai Tamanuhiri the Minister Mr Finlayson said iwi “can be very proud of what they have achieved. Through this legislation a platform has been set for a new relationship between Ngai Tamanuhiri Ngati Makino and the Crown—a relationship that I certainly hope will be based for the future on mutual trust cooperation and a respect for the Treaty.” That was said in February. But since then there has been reason to suspect that there are still some members of this House and the Government even who do not really have the same sense of respect for the Treaty that Mr Finlayson espouses. I think here particularly of water which has been debated all this week in Lower Hutt in front of the Waitangi Tribunal. I think too of the comments made by the Prime Minister Mr Key about ignoring recommendations from the Waitangi Tribunal which to me was another trampling on the rights of Maori. It worries me that the perception in the minds of many is about the ownership of water or whenua. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Order! 
DENISE ROCHE 
: For Maori the relationship with water and land is much more than simply ownership. We whakapapa to our land. We whakapapa to our whenua. As they say in Whanganui: “Ko au te awa ko te awa ko au.”—I am the river; the river is me. Our identity is in our land it is in our maunga it is in our water. For me as Ngati Raukawa and Ngati Huri our river is the mighty Waikato. Ownership for Maori confers responsibility and guardianship. Yes this is being recognised to some extent with co-governance arrangements for the care and restoration of some rivers and I think particularly of Ngati Maniapoto and the Waipa River and the Waikato-Tainui iwi with the Waikato River. But it is worth noting that Maori cannot be separated from our lands and our moana and our rivers regardless of what the Crown says. The relationships and rights that iwi have with our land and with our waters that whakapapa is inside us and it cannot ever be taken apart from us. As evidence I point to the decision made by this Government to remove section 9 of the State-Owned Enterprises Act as part of the legislation for the mixed-ownership model—the law to enable the sale of our State-owned assets—thus taking out the Treaty of Waitangi provisions. We may well see more claims coming from iwi as a result. 
But I come back to this bill this settlement for Ngati Makino. It is worth noting the words that are outlined in clause 6(12) of the bill which says: “Through these acts the Crown its Ministers and government departments have dishonoured the Treaty of Waitangi its principles and its spirit denigrating te mana motuhake o Ngati Makino. In so doing the Crown acknowledges that it has brought dishonour upon itself. It now falls time for these grievances to be lifted. It is the desire of the Crown to build a foundation of trust and commitment so that Ngati Makino and the Crown can work together to revitalise te rangatiratanga o Ngati Makino.” 
We acknowledge the many who have spent their lives working on this settlement and those who have passed away during the journey to this moment. Finally we commend this bill to the House. No reira tena koutou tena koutou tena koutou katoa.  
LOUISE UPSTON (National—Taupo) 
: 
 Tena koe e te Kaiwhakawa. Tena koe e te Whare. Rau rangatira ma tenei te mihi ki a koutou i runga i te kaupapa o te ra. 
[ 
Thank you Mr Assistant Speaker and greetings to you the House. To the many leaders I acknowledge you collectively in regard to the matter of the day 
.] 
It gives me great pleasure to rise in the second reading of the Ngati Makino Claims Settlement Bill. But it does trouble me somewhat to have listened to the last speaker Denise Roche who seemed to deviate quite significantly away from the bill and definitely away from the way that the Maori Affairs Committee operates in its business of progressing these very important Treaty settlements. So I do want to put that on record. This is not usually a place for political statements of that nature particularly where they are wide of the bill in question. This is a bill for Ngati Makino. 
I want to take just a few minutes to outline the process that the select committee uses because I think it is important that it goes on record. The Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations Chris Finlayson was before the select committee yesterday. It was great to see that there were compliments across the select committee from every party in the room about the way the Minister and the Office of Treaty Settlements are able to progress these bills in a very efficient manner but not at all taking away from the significance and the need for diplomacy and negotiation to make sure that the wrongs of so many years gone by are put right. 
So I do want to acknowledge the Minister and his team and I do want to pay tribute to my fellow members of the Maori Affairs Committee because I do believe that it operates in a way that is a fantastic example of how this Parliament operates. We had visitors yesterday from the New Zealand Business and Parliament Trust who witnessed that and who also complimented both the Minister and the Maori Affairs Committee members on the manner in which they conduct their business. So I want to put that on record. 
I think there is another thing that is important and that I do want to talk about for just a moment more for those who are watching this debate. I was fortunate to attend last month the Raukawa deed of settlement signing and to have witnessed a Crown apology. It was a very very powerful moment a very humbling moment and a very moving moment for me as a local member of Parliament. It was fantastic to see so many members of the wider community there to witness that because I think that one of the things that we do not talk about enough is the fact that every step of the Treaty process is one that unifies not divides. It is important for the whole country that we are able to progress these settlements for Ngati Makino today. The second reading is another important step in that process. But I think we need to reflect as a country on how significant this work is and that is why I have laboured the point that we are making such significant progress under Minister Finlayson in getting these settlements progressed and these readings done with the acceptance of the House to sit and pass legislation in extra time. 
The two specific areas of the redress for Ngati Makino that I want to touch on are conservation and the restoration and revitalisation of the marae. I touch on conservation because as for many iwi in their settlement there are conservation or scenic reserves that are part of the settlement. I cannot think of any better group or organisation to take care of that land. As we know—for example I have got conservation projects in my own electorate where the iwi are significantly involved—it is conservation that is in their hearts and their souls and that spreads to the community. So I wanted to acknowledge that part of the settlement. I also acknowledge the six marae where the Ngati Makino Heritage Trust has already had a payment of $1 million so that they can get on with that very important work because the marae are also the heart for the iwi members and that is where their strength lies. It is fantastic to see that that investment has been put back into the marae to make sure that they are the sorts of places where young and old will gather. 
I will leave it at that. I do just want to say that for every part and every reading of these settlement bills it is important for us to focus on the future and not the past. It is not just the local communities that benefit but the country as a whole. Thank you. 
BRENDAN HORAN (NZ First) 
: 
 Having been born in Whakatane and grown up in the Bay of Plenty I respect admire and feel the underlying whisper and touch of the land there and I support the claim of Ngati Makino. Theirs are special waters and special lands. They are unique. I agree with the sentiments of the vast majority of those who have spoken before me this morning. As with our other claims we would like to move forward this Ngati Makino Claims Settlement Bill as expeditiously as possible. It has taken so long to get to this point and who wants to hear a politician waffle on or try to score political points when this is of far greater importance. 
As with every Treaty settlement nothing can truly make up for or fully compensate for what has happened in our sometimes tragic past. But with each settlement and agreement reached our country grows as wounds are acknowledged and with genuine apology are bound. The healing process truly begins as each whanau hapu and iwi moves from a consciousness of deprivation loss grief and bereavement to one of development and self-responsibility. 
But if I have one regret over the process of settlement it is the lack of publicity and spread of knowledge to the general public of New Zealand. Where is the media this morning? Surely the significance of total cross-party support for these settlements sends a signal that they are of tremendous importance to our country. I hope that next week in our third readings New Zealanders are given full notice and that the media are here and fill their section of the gallery so that we can let New Zealanders know and we can all celebrate what will be a truly auspicious occasion. 
New Zealand First supports this bill and we look forward to the third reading next week. Kia ora. 
LOUISA WALL (Labour—Manurewa) 
: 
 E nga mana e nga reo rau rangatira ma tena koutou tena koutou tena koutou katoa. Nga mihi ki nga whanaunga o Ngati Makino tena tatau. 
[ 
To the authorities the languages and the many leaders greetings salutations and acknowledgments to you all. Acknowledgments as well to the relatives of Ngati Makino greetings to us all 
.] 
It is my pleasure as a member of the Maori Affairs Committee to take a brief call. What I really want to do is highlight the process. I do want to tautoko what Brendan Horan has just said—that this Treaty settlement process is really our country’s truth and reconciliation process. It is an acknowledgment that the first sovereign the tangata whenua in this instance Ngati Makino had something that was taken away from them and the Crown is compensating them because of that acknowledgment. I think that is something that we should be celebrating. 
I agree that the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations made a very good presentation to our select committee yesterday. Basically we have 60 settlements that are yet to take place. We are going through the process of reconciling and what we do know is that iwi like Ngati Tuwharetoa and Ngai Tahu who got their settlements early have built on the asset base that they got through the Treaty settlement process. So it has gone from $170 million in Tainui’s case to over $650 million. Now the impact on New Zealand as a whole is positive. It is just so disappointing that we do not have people here so that the New Zealand public is fully informed that Maori are actually contributing greatly to our country. 
So what I do want to do and I always think it is important is look at how these things came to be. When we look at the Ngati Makino case there were four Waitangi claims. So they were very active iwi. They had people who were there putting in claims. There was Wai 275 Wai 334 Wai 1071 and Wai 1372. So the first claim was initiated by Kawana Te Kirikau in 1992 and that arose after being informed that a neighbouring iwi were lodging a Waitangi Tribunal claim over lands Ngati Makino asserted they had mana whenua over despite those lands being alienated from the iwi. In 1997 the Ngati Makino Heritage Trust negotiated a settlement with its historical Treaty of Waitangi claims and in 1998 it signed terms of negotiation with the Rt Hon Sir Douglas Graham who was the Treaty Minister. In 2004 and again in 2005 the Waitangi Tribunal acknowledged that Ngati Makino had suffered prejudice as a result of the Crown’s delay in negotiating with them and recommended that their unique circumstances required that they be prioritised in any central North Island negotiation. Now in 2012 we are here. We have a bill before the House and this House will do all that we can to push this through so that the whanau of Ngati Makino can get their settlement and they can move on and use those assets for the benefit of their descendants. 
I do want to highlight that in the ratification process of those who voted 99 percent voted in favour of accepting the deed of settlement and 98 percent voted in favour of accepting the governance entity. So there is a mandate for the process that we are in now and I just want to acknowledge that fact and I want to wish Ngati Makino all the best. And I do want to say that it is a privilege to be a member of the Maori Affairs Committee. It is also a privilege for the histories of our iwi to be recorded. I think the next step in this process is to ask how we can make this information accessible to all because these are the stories that lay the foundation for our country. 
I want to thank the iwi members who have taken the time to be with us today. I want to thank them for the generosity always in the settlement that is before us because always it is Maori who have forgiven a lot of what is owed to them or owed to us in the quest for us to move forward as a nation. And that is what these Treaty settlements provide for—that as a country we can move forward beyond the settlement and actually look at how we can work constructively together in the future to make sure that all peoples have a place in this land and that they can thrive and be part of the future of Aotearoa. Kia ora. 
Hon TAU HENARE (National) 
: 
 There are a couple of points I want to make with regard to Ngati Makino. First of all is the comments made by my colleagues on the Maori Affairs Committee about our responsibility to maybe have a look at how we take this step to the next step to the next level in terms of publicity and in terms of education—educating the rest of the nation about not only what we do but what the whole settlement process is about. Maybe in the story of New Zealand in terms of the little bits and pieces of the jigsaw that we are privileged to be a part of our role is to actually tell that story and to maybe engage with the likes of Ngati Makino to come on that journey and educate the rest of the country about their piece of the tapestry of New Zealand. So I endorse my colleagues who have put that to the House. 
There is another point that I want to make and it is about the Maori Affairs Committee. I personally liken the Maori Affairs Committee to the Maori All Blacks not in any way other than this: those who play for the Maori All Blacks see that as the pinnacle—not being an All Black but being a Maori All Black. I actually think that is one of the feelings of being on the Maori Affairs Committee. Make no mistake we have our arguments on the Maori Affairs Committee. Make no mistake there is argy-bargy and so on and so forth. But the Maori Affairs Committee—and I trust that I will be backed up on this point by my colleagues in the House—operates in a way that no other select committee in this House operates. Some people may think that that is just me getting up and spouting on about this that and the other thing but it is a fact from our point of view from the point of view of those on the Maori Affairs Committee. 
Hon Trevor Mallard 
: We believe you Tau. No other committee could go like one you chair. 
Hon TAU HENARE 
: See it is not even about me. If the select committee looks back into its past one of the great things about being on the committee is to be sitting in amongst the likes of Apirana Ngata and the likes of Koro Wetere whom I served with on the committee when I first came to Parliament and what a great chairman and a great member of the select committee he was. When you talk about the claims—Ngati Makino Rongowhakaata whomever—you have to put them into a context of who is on the select committee what part in the tapestry we play and what part the claimants play and what is the next step. So I take on board Brendan Horan’s and Louisa Wall’s statements about the next step in the whole settlement process. 
Yes I congratulate Ngati Makino. It is not the end of their journey. Actually it is just a little blip in the whole of the landscape in terms of Ngati Makino’s history. I commend the Ngati Makino Claims Settlement Bill to the House and cannot wait for the third reading. 
Bill read a second time. 
Rongowhakaata Claims Settlement Bill 
Second Reading 
Hon TARIANA TURIA (Minister for Whanau Ora)  
on behalf of the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations 
: 
 Tena tatou. I move  
That the Rongowhakaata Claims Settlement Bill be now read a second time 
. We acknowledge today the maunga of Puketapu me Manawaru the awa of Te Arai te Uru me Waipoua the waka of  
Horouta 
 me  
Takitimu 
. From Te Kowhai the southern side of Turanga-nui-a-Kiwa across to its most western point at Ruakituri then northwards to Maungapere and Wharekopae in the east to Kaiti block near Wainui. This is the rohe of Rongowhakaata the w’enua and the home of descendants of Turahiri Moetai Uetupupuke me Rongawhakaata raua ko Ruapani. Their iwi—there is an iwi of over 4700 people who are based in the Turanga/Gisborne region. Rongowhakaata people their history their story is woven into the fabric of the land of Turanga but also the land that we call Aotearoa. At our national museum Te Papa Tongarewa the Rongowhakaata tupuna w’are Te Hau ki Turanga is currently housed—a majestic awe-inspiring meeting house that many thousands of New Zealanders and thousands more of international manuhiri have had the privilege of walking through. 
What is the history to this w’are being so far from home? The story is told in the petition of Rahuruhi Rukopo on 8 July 1867: 
Ko to matou taonga nui ko to matou w’are w’akairo 
Kia maurai huhua koretia e te Kawanatanga 
Kihae matou i w’akaae 
[ 
Our prized possession our valuable carved house 
Has been taken from us by the Government without just cause  
We did not consent to its removal 
]  
This is the symbolic context for which we consider the enormity of the losses that were felt by Rongowhakaata. Their settlement claims bill relates specifically to the Crown’s role in the war in Turanga in the 1860s and the subsequent imprisonment of a number of Rongowhakaata to the Chatham Islands the effective confiscation of their land the operation of the Poverty Bay Commission and the operation and the impact of the Native Land Court. 
 These Crown policies and laws resulted in the economic social and cultural deprivation of the Rongowhakaata people. Seventy-one of the occupants of the Pukeamionga marae were killed by the Crown during this period. There were 71 lives lost in the supposed name of building a nation. It is indeed a wretched history. The Waitangi Tribunal described the Crown’s Treaty breaches in the Turanga region as amongst the worst anywhere in New Zealand. This settlement bill is a time for remorse for regret and for grieving. 
We must not underscore the profound losses engraved through our colonial past as we look to negotiate our new beginnings. Historian Dr Claudia Orange notes that the explanations given at the Treaty signing support the conclusion that though Maori expected the Treaty to initiate a new relationship it would be one in which Maori and Pakeha would share authority. Maori were encouraged to believe that their rangatiratanga would be enhanced and that Maori control over tribal matters would remain. 
As this settlement and the ones after and no doubt after that will remind us the Rongowhakaata settlement acknowledges Crown actions arising from interaction with this iwi whereby the Crown breached the Treaty of Waitangi and its principles. The settlement contains the apology for those occasions when it did through deed or omission breach its duty to Rongowhakaata under the Treaty of Waitangi. These breaches include the unnecessary use of force at Waerenga a Hika and summary executions at Ngatapa the Crown’s detaining of some Rongowhakaata without trial on the Chatham Islands and the failure to protect Rongowhakaata from landlessness. This Treaty settlement provides redress to this iwi for the historical wounds that have been inflicted by the Crown. 
The Crown recognises the traditional historical and spiritual connection of Rongowhakaata with specific places owned by the Crown within Rongowhakaata’s area of interest. This settlement will provide for cultural redress commercial and financial redress and Crown acknowledgments which form the basis of a Crown apology to this iwi. 
Finally I want to end in noting that of particular significance is the vesting of Te Hau ki Turanga in Rongowhakaata. This beautiful w’are Te Hau is one of the oldest surviving meeting houses in Aotearoa and I am glad that this very special taonga will be vested in Rongowhakaata. The nation has a debt of gratitude to this iwi for the use that we have had so freely of your tribal w’are. I look forward to its return to Turanga if that is what the iwi finally decide. 
The Rongowhakaata Claims Settlement Bill was referred to the Maori Affairs Committee on 8 March 2012. The committee reported back to the House on 6 June 2012. The committee recommended that that bill be passed with only minor technical amendments and I wish to acknowledge here the work of my parliamentary colleagues on the Maori Affairs Committee particularly the chair the Hon Tau Henare and to pay my enduring tributes to the Minister the Hon Chris Finlayson and to the House for the expeditious passage of this bill. I hope that the resolution of these historical Treaty claims will help to foster a better future for Rongowhakaata and a more constructive relationship between the Crown and iwi. Na reira tena koutou katoa. 
Hon PAREKURA HOROMIA (Labour—Ikaroa-Rawhiti) 
: 
 Mr Assistant Speaker e tika atu i runga i te tu kia mihi atu i a koutou nga mea pakeke Lewis koutou e noho atu i reira nga whanaunga o te hau kainga. Ka nui te mihi i kaha atu koutou i tae mai ki konei kia rongo ai i te korero nei. Ki a koe e te Kaiwhakahaere e tautokotia atu nga korero o te Honore Tariana mo te ahua o tenei whakahoki. 
Ko tenei ano wetahi o nga tino pakanga mahi taurekareka a te Karauna ki wetahi o nga iwi o Aotearoa. E mohio atu tatau mai i te timata o te tae o te Karauna i reira e pakanga atu ratau. E kaha ana nga hoia i te mau pu e rongo atu te iwi te hapu o Rongowhakaata ki te pakopako o te pu ko te mate i hinga atu nga tamariki me wetahi o nga wahine me wetahi o nga uri. E tino rereke atu tenei mahi i roto i a Aotearoa. Na te pai hoki kua tae atu tatau i te wa e whakatikatika atu pea wetahi o nga hara nga hakihaki e mahi atu ratau ki te iwi nga hapu o Rongowhakaata. 
No reira e mihi kau ana ki a ratau e kore i konei mihi kau ana ki nga mate i roto i a ratau. Mihi kau ana ki nga mea pakeke pera i a Darcy Lena ratau ma e kore i konei. E tangi hoki te ngakau mo ratau e whawhai tonu atu roaroa atu mo te whakahoki o te tinanatanga o ratau o Rongowhakaata. No reira e tangi hoki te ngakau. Nui atu ratau e kore i konei engari mo ratau e ora ana e whawhai tonu atu e mihi kau ana ki a ratau. 
[ 
Mr Assistant Speaker it is appropriate in rising that I pay a tribute to the elder ones collectively the relatives living there back home you Lewis and others. Your efforts to get here to hear this address is greatly admired. To you Mr Assistant Speaker I endorse the sentiments expressed by the Hon Tariana Turia about the nature of this return.  
This is also one of these major conflicts that the Crown inflicted upon some tribes in New Zealand. We know that when the Crown arrived there hostilities broke out. Colonial soldiers were heavily armed the tribe and subtribes of Rongowhakaata heard the muskets go off. The tragedy was that children and some of the women and relatives went down in the gunfire. This act was something totally alien to New Zealand. A positive thing is that we have arrived at a point where some of the sins and bad outcomes inflicted by those soldiers upon the tribe and subtribes of Rongowhakaata can be settled.  
So I pay a tribute to those who are no longer here and to the deaths among them. I acknowledge the elder ones like Darcy Lena and those who are no longer here. I sympathise with those who continued the fight for the settlement of Rongowhakaata’s claims. The heart also grieves for those who have fought for a very long time to build up Rongowhakaata. So the heart mourns. There are so many of them who are no longer here but for those who remain alive and who continue to fight on I salute you 
.] 
I want to reiterate what the chair of the Maori Affairs Committee the Hon Tau Henare said and agree with the sentiments. Certainly I want to thank the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations for his effort. I want to remember and recognise Michael Cullen who is not here and the Hon Tariana Turia for her points of fact in relation to this apology. The Maori Affairs Committee has put a lot of effort into working through this. At times it has been complicated but certainly we have got to what I believe is a good final end point both for Rongowhakaata and for Nga Uri o Te Kooti Rikirangi. I want to inform Mr Tau Henare the chair of the Maori Affairs Committee that the illustrious Trevor Mallard actually played a role as chair of the Maori Affairs Committee one time and I found that quite amazing. But I do want to recognise my colleague Trevor Mallard for being the chair of the Maori Affairs Committee. Kia ora tatou. 
But on a more serious note congratulations and thanks need to go to Willie Te Aho Stanley Pardoe Meka Whaitiri Jody Wylie Lewis Moeau Maever and Peter Moeau and a whole lot of other groups of people who have been involved in getting to this final point. 
 You know there is a lot of history in this country about the tensions between the Crown and people. For me this is at the top of the tree in relation to the dastardly deeds enacted by the Government on a people. The slaughtering in the Ngatapa and the Waerenga a Hika battles was just so imbalanced unfair and nasty that it is an honour to be here to try to put some of that right—because some of it will never be put right. But again with Rongowhakaata being who they are humble enough and keen enough to move on with life they have worked hard to get to this important point. 
The bill does record apologies to Rongowhakaata and Nga Uri o Te Kooti Rikirangi for the historical acts. As the previous speaker Tariana Turia said it was amazing that they were sent to the Chatham Islands. They were jailed and were actually chained while they were in jail. That they escaped certainly shows the tenacity and energy of Rongowhakaata people. It is one escape we should applaud. 
We need to remember that prior to 1865 Rongowhakaata had full control over their lands and resources and were participating successfully in the New Zealand economy. The Crown used military force in Turanga in November 1865 when there was no need to do so and the Crown did not pursue all reasonable possibilities for preserving peace. It actually incited the reactions not just from the iwi but amongst the soldiers. The Crown’s attack on Waerenga a Hika whose occupants included women and children was unwarranted and unjust. That attack caused severe and long-term prejudice for Rongowhakaata and breached the Treaty of Waitangi in its principles. It more than breached the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi it breached the basic fundamentals in a human nature sense. It was about one people trying to slaughter another people and that certainly for me is important to state not to overexcite the past but to ensure that it is stated on behalf of all of those people who are not here today because I have been privileged enough to sit in hui in Manutuke and in Muriwai and listen to old people who have had one thing on their mind about putting this right—people who are not here now like Darcy like Heni—all of those people. They were serious about this. They kept on going and kept on going and they kept on passing away and those who live now as Rongowhakaata need to be encouraged that they embellish not just that commitment by those elders but what they are going to do going forward. The Minister and officials etc. need to be commended for their part in it in this present day. It is nothing that the Crown should be proud about the slaughter and the battles in the cliffs at Ngatapa. The purposeful chasing of children and women was just outrageous. 
The Crown acknowledges the indefinite detention in the harsh lands and certainly understands about the unwarranted hardships enacted at this stage on those people. I think in terms of the returning and one of the key aspects of Te Hau ki Turanga the whare that has been in Te Papa which again they have shared with the nation and international visitors it is time to go home—it is a good time. I would ask the Minister as I have mentioned before that in relation to moving it the cost and resourcing be put behind it—and that it is serious cost; it will not be simple and it will not be straightforward—and not to sign this settlement off and then say: “Well it’s up to you now.” That is what happened when a lot of the incorporated lands were given back. People jumped at it and took it and all of a sudden they had to pay debts that were left on the lands and they could not afford it and they ended up going back into debt. I want to say that seriously about this whare. It is important to their people. It does epitomise those strengths of Rukupo of one of the great carvers in this country and it is something that we must preserve because it is a living connection with the past and shows their certain adeptness in relation to preserving who they were and who they are. 
The summary executions at Ngatapa by Crown forces in January 1869 certainly epitomise this whole gory history but it has to be recognised that the Crown has a parcel of allocations including the transfer of eight cultural sites returning Te Hau ki Turanga ki Rongowhakaata and relationships redress including protocols with the Ministers for Arts Culture and Heritage the Minister of Conservation the Minister of Energy and Resources and the fisheries Minister. Again Minister I say what I have said to you a half a dozen times but ever so much more with this iwi. At the end of the day they need all the support to correct and to build their capacity both economically and culturally. Too many times we see Government agencies saying: “Yes we are into this.” and they do not do it. Dare I mention Whanau Ora in the House as great as it is going with the effort by Minister Turia. 
I want to say that about this. Let us not just speak to this and not do what needs to be done. Ensure that you keep your beady eye on it because you are pretty good and make sure you have got your glasses on when you are watching it. There is $22.24 million redress for Nga Uri o Te Kooti Rikirangi and that is something that Peter and Maever Moeau need to be really commended on: that they have stood up and that their tupuna is being recognised in the sense that they have chosen to recognise. Certainly I wish them well. 
Minister in closing I want to encourage you. You watch those ministries you make sure that the added resources are put up behind this because it is too easy for us to sign off and forget about them. They have got fisheries issues they have got conservation issues and they have got all of those things and I think out of all the dastardly deeds that members of the Crown enacted on iwi around the country this is one of the worst. And I am not saying that because I live not too far away from it; it is a fact. It is a real important fact that Rongowhakaata have been treated like nothing on this planet and I want to commend you for being courageous— 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch) 
: I am sorry to interrupt the honourable member; his time has expired. 
Hon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON (Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations) 
: 
 I want to make just a brief contribution picking up what Mr Horomia has said. I totally agree with him about the importance of dealing with the cultural redress in relation to Te Hau ki Turanga well. Nothing has actually given me a greater sense of satisfaction than to see the resolution of the issue relating to Te Hau ki Turanga. Clause 23 of the Rongowhakaata Claims Settlement Bill says that on settlement date the meeting house is going to vest in the trustees. 
Those who think Treaty settlements are only about commercial redress should learn something of the history of Te Hau ki Turanga one of the oldest surviving carved meeting houses. Basically it was stolen and then put in one of the predecessors of what is now Te Papa. I actually did not think we would get to a stage where we could resolve that matter satisfactorily but thanks to a combined effort from my officials the negotiators for Rongowhakaata and the staff and the board of Te Papa we have got to a very very happy position. 
But I certainly recognise what is said in the commentary on the bill which is that the meeting house is currently housed at the Museum of New Zealand Te Papa Tongarewa and it eventually is going to be returned to Turanga but they do not wish the return to create a financial burden for future generations. That is absolutely fair. So I repeat publicly what I have said to Rongowhakaata in meetings: I want to get on with it and resolve this matter and I want to work with them as Minister for Arts Culture and Heritage so that we can resolve the issue within the next couple of years. I give them my undertaking that should they approach me on it I want to get on with it. It will have vested in the trustees. It belongs in Turanga. It should go back as soon as possible to a home that is worthy of this great whare. I will ask Mr Horomia whether he can work with me on that particular issue because it would be great to have it done in the next couple of years. 
There are other aspects of the claim that I could talk about but I will reserve my comments for the third reading. I strongly exhort members of the public members of the media and members of this House to have a good look at the historical account. Mr Horomia is right. The tribunal was right. It was not very good history at all. 
Can I acknowledge once again the wonderful work of the Maori Affairs Committee and its wonderful chair Mr Henare. This committee has made a very substantial contribution to expediting the passage of this settlement through the House. 
Although I will mention certain individuals for Rongowhakaata in the third reading speech I particularly want to mention now Stan Pardoe; Jody Wyllie who has been so concerned about Te Hau ki Turanga; Kristen Maynard; Tu Wyllie; Willie Te Aho who did great work; and—and I know he is in the gallery; he is a friend to everyone in this Chamber—Lewis Moeau who is now leading Rongowhakaata. He is a great rangatira around here and we appreciate what he does for his country. 
I acknowledge all of those who have been involved in this settlement. I am really pleased we have reached this stage. For me the symbol of a lasting and a durable—a just—settlement is the unfinished business on Te Hau ki Turanga so let us get on with it. 
RINO TIRIKATENE (Labour—Te Tai Tonga) 
: 
 Ata marie. Tena koe e te Kaiwhakahaere a tena koutou e te Whare. Tena koutou Rongowhakaata me nga uri o Te Kooti Rikirangi nga mihi atu ki a koutou katoa. 
[ 
A peaceful morning. Greetings to you Mr Speaker and to you collectively the House. Acknowledgments to you collectively Rongowhakaata and descendants of Te Kooti Rikirangi salutations to you all 
.] 
I am delighted to speak at this the second reading of the Rongowhakaata Claims Settlement Bill. I would like to acknowledge the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations for all his work with his officials in promoting this bill and I would also like to acknowledge the work of our Maori Affairs Committee under our— 
Michael Woodhouse 
: Outstanding. 
RINO TIRIKATENE 
: —outstanding chair my whanaunga from the north the Hon Tau Henare. He is a great captain of our Maori rugby team that we are in the Maori Affairs Committee. Before I make my brief contribution in this part— 
Hon Chris Tremain 
: Come and join us next Sunday up in Palmerston North. 
RINO TIRIKATENE 
: Ha ha! Being part of the Maori Affairs Committee is such an honour because we got to travel to Turanga to actually hear from Rongowhakaata and Ngai Tamanuhiri and other submitters. It was surprisingly probably one of the quickest select committee hearings I think in the history of the Maori Affairs Committee. The word that came through really from the haukainga was for us to do our work expeditiously and to really encourage us to put this bill through the House so I do not intend to prolong the process. 
I want to just actually tautoko what my matua here Parekura Horomia mentioned. This is a very dark history of our country—dark dastardly deeds that were carried out by the Karauna against Rongowhakaata—and it is very important that the acknowledgments are made. That has been very clearly set out in the deed of settlement and also in the bill. Also it is important that there is a Crown apology and that again is set out in the bill. Then we go on to the elements of the redress the cultural and commercial redress. But the history is very dark indeed. I just need to mention the name Waerenga a Hika and the raids or military attacks there; Ngatapa and the executions and the like that were carried out there; and then also the indefinite detentions of prisoners that were taking place on far away places such as Wharekauri Rekohu—the Chatham Islands. I do marvel at the fact that those who were detained made their way all the way back from all the way over in the Chatham Islands. It is a very remote part of Aotearoa so it just goes to show the great drive and commitment that those descendants of Rongowhakaata had even though they were so far away from home. 
I want to pick up on what this bill represents. The passage of this bill as touched on by Minister Turia represents new beginnings. I think that yes it is very important that we as a country acknowledge the history—and the Crown acknowledges the history—of the colonisation of our country and the grievous acts that were inflicted upon our various iwi hapu and whanau right across the motu. That is very important but also what is very important—and this is the very encouraging part for me being a new member of this House—is to see the recapitalisation of our iwi groups right around the motu. It does mark a new beginning and an exciting future ahead as we heard yesterday from the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations in the Maori Affairs Committee. I look at my own whanau down south and at Ngai Tahu—from a $150 million settlement they have been able to actually re-establish a very broad presence across Te Wai Pounamu and also increase the tribal putea for the benefits of future generations and that is what it is all about. 
So I look forward to seeing Rongowhakaata being a major force in the Turanga economy. I know they were real experts in gardening and the maritime trade right across to Australia so it is going to be exciting to see the future as it unfolds. I do acknowledge the likes of Stan Pardoe who has been driving this process along right the way through for Rongowhakaata. I have had the honour of dealing with him. We have seen the Maori economy grow among our historical groups our recapitalised tribal groups yet they are widely represented within the Rongowhakaata whanau. 
That concludes my contribution and I commend this bill to the House. 
CATHERINE DELAHUNTY (Green) 
: 
 Tena koe Mr Speaker. Tena koutou e te Whare. He mihi nui ki a Rongowhakaata me Nga Uri o Te Kooti Rikirangi. Tena koutou. It is my privilege to stand as a Pakeha and support the Rongowhakaata Claims Settlement Bill as a person who lived in the rohe of Rongowhakaata for 8 years. I feel quite emotional standing here because I know the journey they have been on to get to this point. I would like to acknowledge the Maori Affairs Committee and the previous speakers for the hard work they have done on one of the biggest hara in the history of this country. To know what Rongowhakaata went through and then to have taught Te Tiriti o Waitangi issues in their rohe with descendants of Te Kooti of Rongowhakaata and of the Matawhero settlers and the soldiers of Ropata Wahawaha—the whole lot—was a humbling experience for me as a Pakeha. 
But I speak on these bills because it is a Pakeha issue—Te Tiriti o Waitangi—and we need to stand up for it. We need to learn from every one of these stories. I acknowledge the chair of the select committee the Hon Tau Henare for saying that this settlement is an opportunity for the rest of the country to learn this story. Sadly living in Gisborne are a lot of people who do not. They do not know this story. They have not listened and they have not heard what Rongowhakaata have so nobly stood up for with dignity in their rohe for so long. I was a privileged person to learn about this. 
I want to acknowledge the people who worked on the claim but particularly my fiery friend Jody Toroa from Rongowhakaata. I learnt from her challenges the real story of the whenua that was all around us and the history of places like Waerenga a Hika me Ngatapa. Those places are now gentrified now Anglicised and now covered in pretty Western trees but unfortunately privatised to the point where in the settlement Rongowhakaata are not getting that whenua back. The Pakeha farmers of Gisborne are making a lot of money as they always have off that history and they do not even come and hear that history. When I went to the settlement I was the only Pakeha in the room except for the lawyers and that told me something about how far my community had to go. I was there only because Jody said “Get over here now.” So I do honour those people for their patience and I know that telling the story is a painful process. 
Others have covered what I also would like to just briefly mention around the history and the almost textbook colonisation processes that were used with Rongowhakaata more than with many others. So you have theft—direct theft—you have war you have confiscation you have marriage and then alienation via marriage you have a forced deed of settlement and more threats and also extinguishment of rights and then you have false imprisonment as well as killing. It is a total picture. As others have said we do not want to dwell on hurt when we are in a process of resolution but in order to heal the story needs to be told and I demand that every Pakeha New Zealander learn this story so that they can understand why Rongowhakaata are in the situation that they are in and why they continue to try to articulate something that most people do not even know about in the so-called town of Gisborne. 
I think it was Minister Turia who mentioned the Poverty Bay Commission. Also the role of the Maori Land Court in this is fascinating as a methodology of extinguishing rights. It was very crude as well as very sophisticated in some ways. Because I worked on issues that affected Rongowhakaata I know how ongoing those machinations can be. I hope that today we are drawing a line in the sand and actually standing up for no more of those both direct and indirect ways of marginalising tangata whenua. This country was built on Te Tiriti. We should uphold that at all times. 
There are other things that I would like to mention. Others have talked a lot about Te Hau ki Turanga the beautiful carved whare of Raharuhi Rukupo. It was a spiritual as well as an actual theft. I acknowledge the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations Christopher Finlayson because I know how hard he is trying to get that whare back where it belongs. That is what everybody wants. It is just that again the implications and costs should not fall on those who were robbed. You do not steal a car from somebody then offer them a wheel back but they have to make sure that the wheel is in working order. So I think it is about the proper resources for redress. I am delighted the whare is to be vested in the right people but again behind that must be the resources to make sure the whare is actually back in the heart of the people again. That is when there will be more tears but more healing and that is when the Treaty will have been honoured. 
I guess I want to talk a little bit about aspects of the settlement that worry me a little. I find an expression like “market price”—giving these people the first opportunity to purchase things back at the market price—to be offensive. These people had their whenua stolen and all they get is the opportunity to buy it back at market price? I do not get that. In terms of natural justice it is great that they get the opportunity to buy things back if we are not prepared to give them back but you know paying a market price for something that was taken 200 years ago? What about the price of it when it was taken from them? Why should they not pay I do not know £20—that sounds good—for some of these sites? What concerns me too is that there is not much whenua in the deal. Where is the whenua? You know why there is no whenua? Because it all belongs to those farmers and the Crown cannot take it off them. So we maintain Rongowhakaata without those resources. I am very appreciative of the cultural redress. The apology is excellent. It is excellent that some of the sites in Gisborne are being vested back in Rongowhakaata. But for the strength cultural significance and spiritual and economic well-being of the people whenua is at the heart of the issue. 
Hon Chris Tremain 
: Vote against it then. 
CATHERINE DELAHUNTY 
: We will not vote against the bill though because we do believe in the progress that has been made. We would not insult the people of Rongowhakaata by saying they have not made progress. They have sweated blood to get to here. And I know that blood so I will not oppose the bill. I would just like to see continuing engagement by Pakeha people in this Whare and everywhere else about what is not finished. It is a deal not a settlement when there is not any whenua. That is what I am saying. And I support the deal. That is what the people have told me—they want it supported. So there are some moneys and some sites but I think Rongowhakaata deserve more to be honest. But I am also recognising the progress that has been made. 
I also want to talk about some of the contemporary issues that were mentioned in the claim around water—around that fascinating and contemporary issue—around the rivers of Turanga and also around the sewage issue which Rongowhakaata have played a major role in despite the abuse of their wahi tapu despite the contempt shown by pumping 40000 people’s raw sewage into their bay for many many years. I want to acknowledge their kuia and kaumatua the kuia and kaumatua of Rongowhakaata who stood with us alongside Ngai Tamanuhiri and Te Aitanga-a-Mahaki—through Te Runanga o Turanganui-a-Kiwa—to fight for the clean-up of that desecration. If we are going to have settlement we have to stop desecration in the contemporary situation as well as in the historic one. For 15 years Rongowhakaata asserted its rangatiratanga through the courts and spent precious moneys along with the two other iwi trying to get the Gisborne District Council to stop pumping raw sewage into the bay. We all worked on that issue—two Pakehas I and my partner Gordon Jackman—the group called Oho Ake and those three iwi. Through the efforts of Prue Kapua who is an excellent lawyer and through the efforts of these iwi we managed to get some treatment—some first-stage treatment. We are still working on it. 
But the generosity of these people is that they never give up their whakapapa. They never give up their commitment to trying to heal abuses that were caused last century were caused the century before and sad to say are ongoing. So I really do want to stand up and take my hat off today to these people and to the achievement that they have made. Although I have criticised it for its lack of scope in many ways culturally I think there has been excellent work done. I also recognise the ongoing commitment of the Minister which he just gave in the House to continuing to work on the return of Te Hau ki Turanga which is a very very important and symbolic issue. But again as a Pakeha I would just like to say that this is our stuff. We are all part of this. We need to stand up for it. I would just like to mihi to Rongowhakaata. Tena koutou. 
Hon TAU HENARE (National) 
: 
 Kia ora Mr Speaker. Te mea tuatahi ki aku rangatira kei a koutou e aku tuakana a Rongowhakaata tena koutou. Tena koutou i haere mai nei i tenei ra i rongo koutou ki nga korero o nga rangatira o tenei Whare. Ko ahau he uri no Wahinekino ko ahau a Rongowhakaata. No reira ka mihi au ki a koutou e aku whanaunga e aku tupuna e aku tuakana. 
[ 
Greetings Mr Speaker. The first thing is to acknowledge my chiefs. So to you my elder kin Rongowhakaata greetings to you collectively. I salute you who came here today. You have heard the sentiments expressed by representatives of this House. I am an offspring of Wahinekino I am a Rongowhakaata. So I acknowledge you my relatives ancestors and elder siblings 
.]  
I am a boy from “O-town” from 274 from Otara—born and bred. I always have been brought up to believe the great stories of Ngati Hine and Ngapuhi until one day I found out that the great carver of Te Hau ki Turanga—Raharuhi Rukupo—had a sister called Wahinekino who is my tupuna. As the story goes she married a Wynyard and had Robert Henry Wynyard who had Tau Henare No. 1 who was a member of this Parliament back in the day. He had Mita my grandfather who had Paul my father and I am the— 
Hon Parekura Horomia 
: Kia ora Rongowhakaata! Tena koe! 
Hon TAU HENARE 
: —and the story goes on and on and on. I married a princess—and I will call her a princess—from up on the coast. As it transpires her ancestors her tupuna served time on the Chatham Islands with regard to what we have been talking about today. My son is now being tutored by a man they call “D man” a man they call Derek Lardelli up at Toihoukura. So the circle gets bigger and bigger and bigger in my relationship with those fine people from Rongowhakaata from Turanga. 
I want to acknowledge everything that the previous speakers have said but I want to continue my theme about the great and fantastic tapestry that is New Zealand that is Aotearoa and I want to if I may veer off for a couple of seconds. On 26 December 1890 Boxing Day in America something happened that most of us know about. That was the massacre at Wounded Knee where between 150 and 300 people were massacred. We know about these stories. We know about the Matawhero massacre but not many of our people know about the massacre at Ngatapa and the battle at Waerenga a Hika. 
To continue the theme that was raised by Brendan Horan and Louisa Wall about the education of New Zealand in terms of the Treaty settlements and those stories that make up the great tapestry of New Zealand these stories should be up there in the first chapter of that tapestry that is called New Zealand Aotearoa. It is not only about what happened it is also about what happened beforehand and also after. The stories of Rukupo the stories of how Te Hau ki Turanga was taken from that area and put into the Dominion Museum and about how it was cut to pieces to be able to fit into the Dominion Museum is another story. 
So I suppose what I am saying is that yes this is a solemn day it is a great day that we move to settle those grievances but on the other hand we should somewhere be able to learn about those things. I mean if you go on to YouTube and put in the words “Wounded Knee” hundreds of 10-minute videos exist about the story of Wounded Knee. They relate to the Oglala battle at Little Bighorn and so on and so forth. You get to learn the story. Yes you Mr Speaker. You get to learn about the story of the Lakota—the Sioux—and even General Custer himself. How come we cannot turn on YouTube and see our stories? How come we cannot learn about our stories regardless of whether it is Ngatapa or whether it is the stories of how John Hancock went down to Otago and found gold and his interesting stories? How come we cannot see those? 
In the context of what I started off with this morning about the tapestry the great and fantastic ins and outs and twists and turns of New Zealand Aotearoa this story is one that I hope—when somebody really does pull out all the stops on a story about our country New Zealand Aotearoa—is part of that great tapestry. 
In terms of the quantum you are never ever going to get what people rightly deserve. Even the South Canterbury Finance people are not going to get the return they think they should. I do commend the work of the Minister the officials and my mates on the Maori Affairs Committee but also the work that the House does in trying to push this through. At the end of the day when it comes to the House it is actually non-controversial. Yes there are issues about water rights and all sorts of things and we will deal with those maybe next week. But now we are dealing with a part of New Zealand’s story and putting the pieces of the jigsaw of that story into place so the next ones that come after us can read a fuller account and version of New Zealand’s story. 
BRENDAN HORAN (NZ First) 
: 
 Tena koe Mr Speaker. I rise once more on behalf of New Zealand First and again I see myself agreeing with the vast majority of my cross-party colleagues’ earlier comments especially those of the Hon Parekura Horomia. 
I would like to acknowledge the closeness of Rongowhakaata te manuhiri. It is wonderful to see that you can travel through and support each other in this journey. 
I would like to acknowledge Minister Finlayson for his genuine efforts in this small but tremendously important part of that journey. I find myself in a peculiar situation in that a few weeks ago I heard the most honest comprehensive and heartfelt apology ever given by the Crown. That was in Tauranga and was delivered by Minister Finlayson. I must say that the Minister won my respect and also restored considerable mana to the Crown with his honourable intent. My heart soared along with that of Rongowhakaata I am sure when Minister Finlayson acknowledged his goal of the return of a whare tipuna Te Hau ki Turanga. I know that the echo of that affirmation will give continued hope joy and confidence to Rongowhakaata. 
There is still a small way to go. An expeditious conclusion here in the House will allow the emerging empowered Rongowhakaata entity to carry the iwi into the future. Kia ora. 
Bill read a second time. 
Ngai Tamanuhiri Claims Settlement Bill 
Second Reading 
Hon TARIANA TURIA (Minister for Whanau Ora) 
 on behalf of the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations: Tena koe. Ki a koutou o Ngai Tamanuhiri me Rongowhakaata ka nui te mihi rawa atu ki a koutou kua tae mai nei ki te w’akanui i tenei kaupapa o te Tiriti o Waitangi. 
[ 
Thank you. A really huge acknowledgment to you collectively of Ngai Tamanuhuri and Rongowhakaata who have arrived here to celebrate this matter pertaining to the Treaty of Waitangi 
.] 
I move  
That the Ngai Tamanuhiri Claims Settlement Bill be now read a second time 
. Today has been a special day in this House of Representatives because this is the fourth claims settlement bill to be passing through the House today. Essentially what we are witnessing is the generosity of these claimants in accepting a very small percentage of what in effect was taken from them. 
For some New Zealanders they will be aware of the land’s history as the place of the first land mass of New Zealand sighted by a young surgeon’s boy on the  
Endeavour 
 Nicholas Young. Sadly for most New Zealanders they would not have any knowledge of the history of this wonderful land and neither would they have any understanding of the issues that we are talking about today in this House. Apparently Nicholas Young who was the ship’s boy received a gallon of rum and had the privilege of this historic place being named in his honour. 
But today we highlight the historic significance of this iconic site as the landing point for the  
Horouta  
waka one of the first migrating waka to arrive here in Aotearoa. So it is important and timely that we acknowledge Ngai Tamanuhiri’s history with this important place that has significance for all New Zealanders and more particularly for themselves and for those in the Gisborne area. Of particular note in this legislation is the vesting of the Young Nick’s Head Historic Reserve in Ngai Tamanuhiri and the name change of this historic place to Te Kuri a Paoa / Young Nick’s Head Historic Reserve. 
I go back to the comments earlier today that were made by the Hon Tau Henare who said that we need to look at these settlement readings as opportunities for celebration. For the people of Ngai Tamanuhiri an iwi of over 1700 people based in the Turanga—Gisborne—region it is indeed a celebration to have restored to them today the significance of Te Kuri a Paoa recognised in their name as mana w’enua. We cannot however overlook the tragic history that has seen us get to this point today. 
When we talk about the lands of Ngai Tamanuhiri we are talking about one of the most breathtaking landscapes in Aotearoa and indeed some may well say in the world. Their area of interest extends from Kopututea south of Gisborne City down the coastline over Wharerata Forest to Paritu. From Paritu the area extends inland towards Lake Waikaremoana. As the people would say: mai i Paritu ki Kopututea [ 
from Paritu to Kopututea 
]. 
This claims settlement bill relates specifically to the Crown’s role in the war in Turanga in the 1860s the pressure placed by the Crown on the people to sign a deed of cession for all of their land the operation of the Poverty Bay Commission and the operation and impact of the Native Land Court. The actions of the Crown resulted in the marginalisation both socially and economically of Ngai Tamanuhiri which has negatively affected that iwi right up to the present day. The Crown’s breaches in the Turanga region have been described by the Waitangi Tribunal as amongst the worst anywhere in New Zealand. It is right that this House should acknowledge the past failings of the Crown and endeavour to develop a better relationship in the future between itself and Ngai Tamanuhiri. The Crown hereby acknowledges that it did through its interactions with this iwi Ngai Tamanuhiri breach its responsibility to them under the Treaty of Waitangi. 
I want to acknowledge that for many years they have been pursuing settlement of grievances over the loss of w’enua as a result of the enactment of a variety of legislation by the Crown since 1871. On 26 March 1992 Wai 283 was lodged by Turanga iwi comprising Ngai Tamanuhiri Rongowhakaata and Te Aitanga-a-Mahaki. In 2008 Ngai Tamanuhiri Rongowhakaata including Nga Uri o Te Kooti Rikirangi and Te Pou a Hao Kai—including Te Aitanga-a-Mahaki Nga Ariki Kaiputahi Te Whanau a Kai Te Whanau a Wi Pere and Te Whanau a Rangiwhakataetaea as a collective of Turangi-nui-a-Kiwa—signed an agreement in principle with the Crown to negotiate a settlement deal. In 2009 the three groups separated to negotiate their individual interests and that brings us today to this settlement. 
The settlement contains an apology to Ngai Tamanuhiri for these occasions when the Crown did through deed or omission breach the Crown’s duties to Ngai Tamanuhiri under the Treaty of Waitangi. These breaches include the unnecessary use of force at Te Waerenga-a-Hika and summary executions at Ngatapa the Crown’s detaining of some of Ngai Tamanuhiri without trial on the Chatham Islands and the failure to protect Ngai Tamanuhiri’s fundamental property rights. Sadly it is a familiar story that we are telling today and one in fact that we have repeated. 
The intention of this Treaty settlement is to provide some redress to Ngai Tamanuhiri for the wrongdoing they have suffered at the hands of the Crown in the past. To this end the Crown recognises the traditional historical and spiritual connection of this iwi with special places owned by the Crown in Ngai Tamanuhiri’s area of interest. This settlement will provide cultural redress commercial and financial redress and Crown acknowledgments which form the basis of a Crown apology to Ngai Tamanuhiri. 
The bill was referred to the Maori Affairs Committee on 16 February 2012 and the committee reported back to the House on 6 June 2012. The committee recommends that the bill be passed with minor technical amendments. One amendment adds the company number for Wharerata Forest Ltd to the bill. 
I would like to thank my parliamentary colleagues on the Maori Affairs Committee for their work on this bill the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations and more important the w’anau hapu and iwi of Ngai Tamanuhiri for their patience their perseverance and their resilience in enabling us to consider this legislation today. I hope that the resolution of these historic Treaty claims will help to foster better economic and social prospects for Ngai Tamanuhiri and a more positive relationship between the Crown and them which I hope will be built upon a spirit of collaboration. Na reira tena koutou katoa. 
Hon SHANE JONES (Labour) 
: 
 Tena koe Mr Assistant Speaker. Hei timatanga korero me mihi atu au ki te whanau ki nga panga o roto o Te Tai Rawhiti Ngai Tamanuhiri Rongowhakaata me o ratou huanga tae noa ki roto i Te Aitanga a Mahaki kua tatu mai ki Te Upoko o te Ika i tenei ra. Haunga noa ki te matakitaki i a matou otira ki te tu tei ki te noho hei hautu i te wairua o nga korero i te wairua ano hoki i te akiaki nei i a matou kia eke pai ai o koutou whakaaro i roto i tenei ture i whakairongia ai hei whakatutuki i nga nawe tupuna nga nawe whenua. Na kia whakawhiwhingia atu nga panga i tenei wa hei kaupapa whakatuputupu ma koutou ma tatou i roto i ena pito o te Ao Maori. Na reira tena koutou tena koutou katoa. 
[ 
Thank you Mr Assistant Speaker. As a starting point I must extend my salutations to the family and my connections within the East Coast Ngai Tamanuhiri Rongwhakaata and their relations as far as Te Aitanga-a-Mahaki who are here in Wellington today. That aside they are here to observe us in so far as being a sentinel and guide in terms of the spirituality of the discussions and to provide us with the spirit as well so that your views in this legislation are well fulfilled; those views were chiselled out to resolve grievances by ancestors and those relating to land. Now a provision of resources at this point in time would become a developmental mechanism by you and us collectively in all extremities of Maoridom. Acknowledgments and salutations to you all. 
]  
We stand to support the passage of these claims settlement bills and have done so on all the major settlements of a historical nature because that is how it should be. It is getting almost tedious that I should acknowledge the work that this particular Minister the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations has put in to the task but one cannot escape the truth on this matter. Often in politics things are shadow and light but on this case there is very little difference between what we would have sought to do and what the current Minister is shepherding through the House. 
Ngai Tamanuhiri not only have waited a long time but like a lot of other iwi are in provincial New Zealand and the challenge is always going to be how you take these endowments in provincial New Zealand and then turn them into a flow of benefits and opportunities for ongoing growth that meets the aspirations of people who often live in a part of New Zealand where economic growth may actually not be as strong as in metropolitan New Zealand. And for as long as we as Maori actually want to receive our endowments in the form of resources located in our rohe in the haukainga etc. then that is always going to require a very special blend of leadership skill but that task now lies with the stewards of the settlement as it leaves the hands of the legislators. There is no shortage of examples as to what can go swimmingly well and what can go horribly wrong. I have no compunction in saying that once we join together as a body of legislators the task then falls to the leaders and the generations coming through in relation to the iwi. 
I remember the debate as to whether or not Young Nicks Head should either be lopped off or have the name changed. It is fitting as I recall that that debate first surfaced in the days of a former Minister of Maori Affairs the Hon Tau Henare and his erstwhile colleague Tu Wyllie who for a mercifully short period of time I had to tolerate in the fishing industry—but that is another matter. Te Kuri a Paoa is a fantastic name that reminds Maori New Zealanders and also that small number of Kiwis who ought to show a bit more respect to dedicate a bit more attention to our indigenous names. I remember when one of my kids was going to the kura kaupapa there was a great waiata. This son of mine actually shared a class with I think Tutekawa Wyllie’s daughter or son and they made great play of the song to do with Paoa. The great line I loved was about Te Mimi-o-Paoa. Of course I will avoid turning that into English but it will enter the encyclopaedic-like record of our House. 
Whoever are the Ministers of the future holding key roles such as the Minister of Conservation the quality of their stewardship in the context of this settlement will come down to the willingness of the bureaucrats to observe the provisions and uphold the spirit of the deed of settlement. All we can do is enter into the House’s records what we believe we are doing here today because unfortunately where resources are required to be either shared or managed to serve the purposes or the interests of a community wider than the direct settlement group you are always going to get conflict. But we should remind ourselves and try to leave perhaps a set of parliamentary breadcrumbs for the people of the future who would be in the bureaucracy where we are hoping to see through protocols a growth in the relationship between this iwi and the future executive leaders either in the bureaucracy or future Governments. That is what a relationship—whether we like it or not—is about and it is going to be either bounded or informed by the vicissitudes of that particular time. That is about all we can say. 
There will be ongoing challenges that the group and other Maori groups face in relation to the land that is going to be restored by the Ngai Tamanuhiri Claims Settlement Bill—the Wharerata Forest for example. There will be ongoing issues where this group and other Maori groups have an intersection and a compromise or a balance between Maori aspirations and their settlement forests and New Zealand’s international obligations to do with climate change and other such matters. These are probably a lot more demanding quite frankly than the delay often associated with getting settlements through. 
The Maori Affairs Committee which I have not by and large had the chance to sit on has actually been well led by the Hon Tau Henare. I say that it was well led because it is more than likely going to take a very large percentage of his CV which will be required in 2014. The man has been a parliamentarian since 1993 and I will have him remember that in 1993 a sprightly feisty young urban Maori Raymond Tau Henare was welcomed by the Anglican Maori Pastorate at Pendennis. One of our very old kuia kaumatua was still alive. Tau gave a mihi and we cooked a feed and had speeches etc. and as we finished the meal the old kuia turned to me and she said: “Hey koro did the MP actually arrive today?”. But we have all learnt as we move on our journey in fairness to the Maori Affairs Committee. 
Just before I wind up I want to share a few observations about an issue that this settlement group is going to have to deal with as well once a resource becomes scarce. The scarcity problem that we are dealing with at the moment—and there are Maori interests associated with it—is water. You cannot talk about an ancestor like Paoa or you cannot talk about the resources around the rohe of this particular area without reminding ourselves that there are deep interests that have yet to be settled. I wish this group which is in the House today good luck and Godspeed in dealing with those issues but the less that is said of an inflammatory nature about these resource issues the better. It is inflammation that actually protracts the process to getting settlements. 
It is with goodwill and I believe that on this side of the House we have shown goodwill and there has been goodwill in the select committee. As we move to redress the debts of history we should celebrate the passage of a bill not unlike we are doing today. So the frivolity and joviality aside to the select committee and in particular the Minister and other Ministers who may have played a role in expediting the passage of the bill through the background work etc. kia kaha kia manawanui kia ora tatou katoa. 
Hon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON (Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations) 
: 
 I agree with Mr Jones as I do on many occasions that this has been a jovial and quite inspiring morning as we have dealt with this Ngai Tamanuhiri Claims Settlement Bill and with other legislation. I want to take a call to address this settlement that I was so proud to be associated with along with Mr Horomia and Mrs Turia on 5 March 2011. But first I want to make some comments—gentle comments—about the emerging Green Party line which seems to be that settlements are mere deals. Well quite frankly I regard those comments as sanctimonious insensitive and fundamentally incorrect. I actually get quite angry when I hear them because how dare they diminish the importance of these settlements? These are not mere words contained in deeds of settlement. They are a genuine attempt in this case by several administrations—first Michael Cullen and Parekura Horomia and more latterly Mrs Turia and me—to deal with these issues to put genuine grievances to rest and to plan to move forward. 
I do not know but I do not think Ms Delahunty was at Muriwai Marae on 5 March 2011 but Mr Horomia was and certainly Mrs Turia was with me and it was a great day. We went up to the top of Young Nicks Head and initialled the deed up there and then went down to Muriwai Marae. Muriwai Marae is a famous marae situated to the south of Gisborne. I always get almost overwhelmed when I go into it and look at the honours board for those who lost their lives in defence of this country in the First and Second World Wars. In that respect I particularly acknowledge that great New Zealander Mr Raihania who affiliates to Ngati Porou and to Ngai Tamanuhiri. He is a great New Zealander; one of the last remaining members of the 28th Maori Battalion. And there we signed the deed of settlement on that rather cloudy morning. 
I recall that for the first time ever as Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations I read out the full Crown acknowledgments and the apology and I said to Mrs Turia after it was over that it was quite eerie it was very quiet and asked her what was going on and she said that actually people were weeping. So for Ms Delahunty in a fit of moral superiority to stand up in this House and describe what happened on 5 March 2011 as a mere deal and to say that the Greens would do so much better but they never offer anything constructive is something I find profoundly insulting and quite frankly annoying. 
The second point that I wish to talk about in the context of the second reading is to pick up the point made by Mr Jones in his wonderful contribution on the issue of the local leadership body because he talked about the importance of natural resources and referred to water. What we hope to do through this legislation is to establish a local leadership body. It will be a statutory body. It is another one of those mechanisms that has been worked out after discussions with local iwi in the Tai Rawhiti region to contribute to the sustainable management of natural and physical resources in the area for the enjoyment of present and future generations and I believe this is going to work very well. The membership of the board are going to be representatives of the Ngai Tamanuhiri settlement trust and also Rongowhakaata and we hope in the not too distant future the Te Aitangi-a-Mahaki Trust and then members of the council. This is going to be a body that over time will deal with these issues in Tai Rawhiti in a very sensible and pragmatic way adopting a “we’re all in this together” kind of approach for the benefit of all the people of that wonderful region which is led so well by that outstanding mayor Meng Foon. 
So I actually thought it was a very positive day. I think that what both administrations have done is not do some cheap and nasty deal; this is an honourable settlement. This is a genuine attempt on the part of the Crown to achieve a just and durable settlement with these people who have suffered much over the years. My advice to the Green Party is: get off your flea-bitten old nag; do not be so high-handed when you are dealing with these issues; and recognise that you do not have a monopoly on moral superiority and that both the National and the Labour Governments over the years have genuinely tried to achieve a just and durable settlement in this part of the world. I am going to leave it there. 
I want to acknowledge the huge efforts of the various people in this great iwi who have worked over the years and I will name them personally towards the end of my third reading speech. I have acknowledged Nolan Raihania. He always gets very embarrassed when I acknowledge him in the House but he is a great New Zealander and his contribution to this country through the 28th Maori Battalion in farming circles and in Mr Horomia’s part of the world needs to be brought to light and acknowledged. I will leave it there. 
CATHERINE DELAHUNTY (Green) 
: 
 Tena koe. He mihi nui ki a Ngai Tamanuhiri me te iwi o Te Tai Rawhiti katoa tena koutou a he mihi nui ki te Whare Paremata. 
[ 
Thank you. A huge acknowledgment to Ngai Tamanuhiri and the entire tribe of the East Coast salutations to you collectively and a big greeting to Parliament. 
]  
The waiata “Haramai a Paoa” 
refers to Paoa the navigator the great navigator who came here and lost his dog around Te Kuri a Paoa. I am not an expert on that waiata but in Tai Rawhiti it is always sung and it is always said because of the significance of Te Kuri a Paoa. So it is a great day to see Te Kuri a Paoa having its name vested and its mana acknowledged—a mana that can never really be taken away no matter what. So the mana of the people of Ngai Tamanuhiri who have asked me to speak about this settlement today also cannot be taken away. I mihi to them today and say thank you to them for their guidance and their support. 
Muriwai is a beautiful but small community at the foot of Te Kuri a Paoa. It is about a 10-acre block surrounded by land that has been alienated through various means which we have outlined in many Treaty settlement discussions. Te Kuri a Paoa has a history that goes way back to Paoa and then to the events that Minister Turia referred to around the arrival of Captain Cook. I always wonder whether Young Nick saw them first or whether the people of Ngai Tamanuhiri saw him coming first. It is not something anyone actually knows. But it was the beginning of a very interesting history between two peoples. That is why Te Kuri a Paoa is such a significant part of the settlement. 
It does sadden me that John Griffin a New York stockbroker gets to decide who has access to Te Kuri a Paoa. Although Te Kuri a Paoa / Young Nick’s Head Historic Reserve is now vested in Ngai Tamanuhiri they have to ask an American stockbroker whether they can go there. There is something not quite right about that that needs more work. Maybe it was not possible to settle it through a Treaty claim but it is about saying to Mr Griffin: “Actually there were some people here already and their mana is on that maunga and they fought hard for that maunga.” I have climbed that maunga a number of times with kaumatua. In fact during the struggle for Te Kuri a Paoa I was in charge of the chocolate run. They got me to run up the mountain to take chocolate to those who were sitting on top of the mountain doing their noho to raise the issue of their right to their maunga. To those people who stood on that maunga who camped on the top of that maunga in the freezing cold in winter to whom I delivered chocolate I want to pay tribute because it has been a long time coming and honestly to honour some of those kaumatua who got up that maunga which is no mean feat. 
Ngai Tamanuhiri just like their beautiful and wild maunga are a staunch people with whom I have shed tears. So it is not with a feeling of superiority but with a feeling of respect that I stand here to acknowledge them in all their struggles and to acknowledge that they in many ways have accepted the settlement but they would have liked more. When I am disparaged for talking about deals I think it is important to acknowledge where that rhetoric came from and who gave it to me. So I honour those people who feel they could have had more but accept that this is all they could get. That is not to diminish the efforts of the Maori Affairs Committee or the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations or anyone else involved. We are all children of history. We are all negotiating what we can. But I will also be honest and say that that is how some of those people feel. They may not speak for all but they speak and they want me to speak as well. 
In terms of the redress the Wharerata Forest and other things will be a very powerful part of the settlement but also challenging. Ngati Rangiwaho who are part of Ngai Tamanuhiri are already concerned about the catchment the river and the effect of forestry on that river. Hopefully today means that they will have more ability to look after their catchment because for Ngati Rangiwaho it is really important. What happens upstream affects what happens downstream. They were struggling with Juken Nissho and other forestry people in terms of how that forest got managed. They now have 50 percent ownership with possible future rights and I hope that works for them because it is a very important part of the settlement. 
I also would like to leap back in history for a moment and think about Te Kooti because Ngai Tamanuhiri are people who paid a huge price for their association with Te Kooti. Te Kooti landed at Whareongaonga an amazing place inside their rohe and the very first Ringatu sermon was given on the beach at Whareongaonga. So within their rohe there are many things that represent not just Pakeha history which is very important but Maori history and the coming together of both those histories. The more we learn about those things the better we can understand how Ngai Tamanuhiri have survived this process. 
 They live on a small block of land surrounded by people who have wealth who have land and who have many things that they have lost but their spirit in terms of the hikoi that Ngai Tamanuhiri took on Te Kuri a Paoa will never be lost. I really do honour the fight that has led to this point the struggle which some of us were part of that led to this point. Under the previous Labour Government we asked for a full return. We do not have a full return of the maunga and we do not have full access but what we do have is a very important symbolic moment in time around the ingoa around the naming. So there are things to celebrate as well as things to stand up for. 
I think that the first refusal for the land under Muriwai School is another one of those examples where it would be great if we could go further than that and actually acknowledge that that land is their land that it always has been their land and that that is their kura. The people of Muriwai School also went on the hikoi to Wellington to call for the return of Te Kuri a Paoa. So they have more than paid their dues. These people have more than paid their dues and paid their time in terms of fighting for their place and for their right to their place. I think it is important to acknowledge that even though they are an iwi of 1700 they are iconic in so many ways and their place in the history of the nation belongs to all of us. 
I agree with other speakers—I think it was the Hon Tau Henare—when they talk about the story of this country needing to be known. So everyone who has heard of Young Nick also needs to know who Paoa is and everyone who has heard of Captain Cook needs to know who Te Kooti is and not just the scaremongering but the true history of Te Kooti his relationship with Te Tai Rawhiti and everything that the people went through. I urge all of us to keep telling the story of Te Kuri a Paoa / Young Nick’s Head as an opportunity for peacemaking because if there is one thing that the Green Party believes is important about the settlement processes the Waitangi Tribunal and the negotiations—whether you call them settlements or deals—it is that they are an opportunity for education and peacemaking and that is our responsibility from here on. 
Ngai Tamanuhiri are still not wealthy. They still have very little land. But they do have their mana and one of the things that people from that iwi said to me about being part of the Waitangi process was how powerful it was for them to tell their story to themselves to their young people to their rangatahi; for kuia and kaumatua to get up and talk about Te Kuri a Paoa and talk about the issues with Wharerata for Ngati Rangiwaho to tell their story; for all of that storytelling to be laid before the tribunal so that redress could be developed and an apology could be fully made which is what the settlement process has always been about. 
But there is more than that. There is still that issue—and I will keep on saying it—about resourcing Pakeha to get educated. There is more that we need to do to get educated about the history that has taken place not only in Te Tai Rawhiti but in other parts of the country. But having I suppose family connections with farming families who live at Muriwai having attended Anzac Day at Muriwai I know that we come together on Anzac Day but there is other coming together that also needs to happen. Part of that coming together is Pakeha people not only on the East Coast but in other parts of the country saying “Hey I need to know more about these words.” Te Kuri a Paoa should not be just something that slips off the tongue; it is a story of a dog and a man of a people of a time of a present a past and a future and of a mountain where important things happened for all of us—to our nation. 
Anyone who flies in on a plane over Gisborne will see that the mist hovers around the maunga and then it becomes clear and you see the sharp edges. That is like the history of Te Tai Rawhiti which we are talking about this morning in debating these two settlement bills related to Tai Rawhiti. This history is sharp. We need to keep progressing it. I am proud to speak and proud to see progress. Kia ora. 
Hon PAREKURA HOROMIA (Labour—Ikaroa-Rawhiti) 
: 
 I want to join and mihi to Tamanuhiri mo to ratou kaha i te whai kaha hei oti atu tenei taumaha. E mohio atu tatou mai i te wa e tae atu te waka o Kapene Kuki e tu atu te tamaiti a Young Nick e karanga atu “Land ahoy!”. I reira ke te whenua engari e mohio atu tatou i reira ke e noho mahana a Tamanuhiri i mua a tona tae. Te mate hoki e mauri atu nga whakaaro o ratou i runga i te  
Endeavour 
 i reira e mahi atu te mahi kino ki wenei o Tamanuhiri. Engari e mihi kau ana ki a ratou e whai atu i a ratou e rere atu hinga atu nga pakeke o te kainga ratou ma. Mo ratou e ora ana e whai atu e manaaki atu i nga whanau o Te Kuri-a-Paoa me o ratou karangatanga mo Paoa me to ratou awa. E mihi kau ana ki a ratou. 
[ 
I want to join and mihi to Tamanuhiri on their efforts to work hard so that this serious matter is completed. We all know that right from the time when Captain Cook’s vessel made land there that lad Young Nick stood up and called “Land ahoy!”. The land was there that is for sure but we know as well that Tamanuhiri were living warm there before the arrival. The problem of course was that those on board the  
Endeavour 
 got carried away with the idea to set upon those of Tamanuhiri with evil intent. But I really do pay tribute to those of Tamanuhiri who sought redress and where some of the elders those of home have passed away as far as the ones who remain alive and follow on with the work in terms of looking after the families of Te Kuri-a-Paoa and their callings in terms of Paoa and their river I truly admire them. 
] 
I want to congratulate and thank the Ngai Tamanuhiri Whanui Trust which represented Ngai Tamanuhiri in negotiations. We are one step away from finalising it next Thursday. The bill records the settlement package comprising a historical account and an apology and the transfer of two cultural sites to the Tamanuhiri Tutu Poroporo Trust vesting Young Nicks Head Historic Reserve in Ngai Tamanuhiri and the site will be renamed Te Kuri a Paoa / Young Nicks Head Historic Reserve. It is one thing that I have angled at and wondered why you keep the name Young Nicks Head on there but I suppose it appeases people and their generosity certainly is recognised. I was privileged enough to go up with the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations on the day of the blessing and the signing up on the site and it was certainly a wonderful and historic event. I wanted to climb up but they took us up in a helicopter and I was very thankful for that. But those of Tamanuhiri trudged up and trudged down and because the Minister was in such a hurry I had to go and support him and go up with him. 
I want to say that we tend to slant history only from the point of view of the coloniser. I do not say that disparagingly but I do say it seriously. It is time that we learnt our stories and I support the reality of why that is important to them. Again as I have been prompting the Minister to ensure that those ministries like culture heritage conservation and fisheries are really set to the task. I want to give a special suggestion about Tamanuhiri and go back to Rongowhakaata to encourage the Minister to consider—I know he is the Minister for Arts Culture and Heritage—that there is a continued slap in the face for the people who live there with the sewage still running out into their bay which is something they really cherish. It would be a good indication if resources were there to support them. I know that the local mayor and the elders have pushed for that along with the negotiators. So it is something that is done in goodwill. There have been a lot of dastardly things done to these people and it would not be too far beyond to recognise that that would help out. It is important to them the takutai moana and the wahi of Young Nicks Head as they are renaming it. 
There is $11.7 million and all of those monetary things that happen in this claim. There is actually an interesting situation that has grown in these negotiations and it is about the transfer of the Wharerata Crown forest licensed land to Wharerata Forest Ltd a company in which Ngai Tamanuhiri will purchase a 50 percent share and the Crown will retain the other 50 percent on trust for any other Wharerata claimant with an established historical Treaty claim. That is very interesting. I hope that the Crown ensures that the Treaty of Waitangi process pervades across the whole 100 percent of this forestry and it does not sit on 51 percent and never mind the 49 percent. I want to say that seriously and directed at the Minister. The accumulated rentals of approximately $8.2 million will transfer to Wharerata Forest Ltd on settlement day. So there is a kick-start there to help them to get to where they want to get to. But certainly their generosity needs to be recognised—their generosity in even agreeing to that—in the sense of the paru that goes into that bay continuously every week. Whose responsibility is that? Is it the council’s? Is it the factories’ that are around there? Is it everybody else’s? I would again encourage the Minister—and I would ask the person talking to him about finance to refrain from that and listen to this here because he is not caring at all about what is happening in Hawke’s Bay or Heretaunga. Minister Finlayson can I please say to you as you are talking to one of the Ministers about finance to remind him about the allocation in that bay. 
Hon Member 
: I’m on to it. 
Hon PAREKURA HOROMIA 
: That is good but I want to remind and prod you as Mr Joyce steps back in here that they need some serious support about the pollution that continues to go into the bay of the foreshore of Tamanuhiri and Rongowhakaata. I would remind my worldly friend from Tukituki that he does not have the disaster that they have in the bay. Let us not just settle this and do what is in here; let us consider that also. We would support you most seriously on that. Apart from that I want to commend the Minister again—and my colleague Michael Cullen is not here—and all of those people in Turanga Nui who are looking forward to next Thursday to finalise it. Let us not let the chance go by just signing up protocols between Government agencies that mean nothing. There is a real pollution hazard there that needs to be considered. And Minister the composition and the construct of the company that manages the Wharerata forest has to be closely watched and supported by the Crown so they do not get strung out in the commercial markets and cannot operate. It is an interesting situation that half is given and the other half is retained for other groups. I just want to commend and really recognise the Tamanuhiri people for the effort that they put in. Kia ora. 
BRENDAN HORAN (NZ First) 
: 
 I would reiterate my earlier comments on the close whakapapa links between Ngai Tamanuhiri and Rongowhakaata. It is significant that both settlement bills the Ngai Tamanuhiri Claims Settlement Bill and the Rongowhakaata Claims Settlement Bill are considered so closely together today and hopefully will conclude together next week when Royal assent is given and shortly thereafter will be the receiving of the settlement assets. I would acknowledge that the journey to reach this point has been arduous and fraught with peril. However it is pleasing that through this current period there have been high levels of support through the ratification process consistent in what we observed in the Maori Affairs Committee process where there has been overwhelming support for Ngai Tamanuhiri. I would therefore acknowledge the hard work of the negotiators. I thank my parliamentary colleagues. I once again humbly acknowledge the hard and immensely significant work of all those who have gone before. We in New Zealand First look forward to the third readings next week. 
Tena koutou e rau rangatira ma. E hari te ngakau i tenei ra i te tutakitanga o tatou i runga i te kaupapa nui o te ra. Kia kaha kia maia kia manawanui. No reira ma Te Atua koutou e tiaki e manaaki mo ake tonu atu. Huri noa huri noa tena koutou tena koutou tena ano tatou. Greetings to all people. It is great to have korero-ed with you all about our kaupapa today. Continue to be strong courageous and stout-hearted. Therefore may the blessings of God keep you and care for you always. Once again to all of us here in this gathering greetings greetings greetings. Kia ora. 
Hon TAU HENARE (National) 
: 
 I have the honour and privilege of being what I think might be the last speaker on the Ngai Tamanuhiri Claims Settlement Bill. I echo my colleagues in the House about all of the claims settlement bills that we have done this morning—in particular the close relationship between Tamanuhiri and Rongowhakaata not only whakapapa-wise but geographically as well. 
I do echo the sentiments of the Hon Parekura Horomia who raised the issue of pollution and a sewage matter. Although not particularly a Government responsibility we almost certainly stand behind any local council moves to clean up what is their responsibility. We would stand behind the local council in having a look at any solutions. 
I want to echo also the sentiments of the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations the Hon Chris Finlayson who in my mind is the best Minister that we have had in charge of Treaty negotiations for his foresight and for his ability to look ahead and get things rolling. I also echo his sentiments about the Green Party. If people think that the church of Scientology is bad they need only look at the Greens to see maybe that Scientology is OK. I tell you what my message to Kennedy Graham who is the most sane one in the Green Party is that maybe he would like to think about doing a Katie Holmes. 
On that note I know we should not use this opportunity to dis on each other but I suppose as a Maori and as a person who has been involved in Maori politics for a long time—and I am not saying I speak on behalf of other Maori politicians—to use some colloquial language of “O-town” 274 it really narks me how non-Maori get up and speak as if they know everything about it. That is one of the things that maybe we should not do— 
Catherine Delahunty 
: I think I said I wasn’t an expert. 
Hon TAU HENARE 
: —Catherine. Maybe what we should do is actually think about the big picture. Like I said earlier this morning about my theme about all of this in terms of the tapestry story that I have been trying to weave for the last couple of hours we miss so many opportunities to tell the story. I know my kids are all right because they are part of the story but what about the kids out there who are not part of the story? What about the kids out there who need to know about their country’s history right from even back before the time Captain Cook got the message that there was a nice plot of land that might look nice as a golf course one day? It is all of those things in our history that we need to be able to stand up in this House and talk about—the bad things as well as the good things. There is no point in telling a story with all good stuff in it. It actually has to contain all the bad stuff as well to see that whole picture of where the nation is. 
Like I said before—and I have said it in the House and I have said it outside—at least we do not throw bombs at each other. I am proud of the fact that we can have our issues. I am proud of the fact that there are no terrorist actions in this country. I am proud of the fact that we have a society that allows the intelligent and the non-intelligent to have a say about things that concern them. This bill and the bills that we have done this morning is just a little part of the great fantastic tapestry of New Zealand’s history which we should be damned proud of and should stand in this House and represent. So again I commend the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations the Maori Affairs Committee and the House for their work on Treaty settlements. Kia ora. 
Bill read a second time. 
In Committee 
Hon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON (Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations) 
: 
 I seek leave for all provisions to be taken as one question. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Leave has been sought for that. Is there any objection to that course of action being taken? There is none. 
Clauses 1 and 2 Parts 1 to 4 and Schedules 1 to 3 
Hon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON (Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations) 
: 
 I move the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 86. It is a very technical Supplementary Order Paper. All that is required is to make a minor amendment to commercial redress for Wharerata Forest land and insert a company number. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 86 in the name of the Hon Christopher Finlayson be agreed to. 
Amendment agreed to. 
Clauses 1 and 2 Parts 1 to 4 and Schedules 1 to 3 as amended agreed to. 
Bill reported with amendment. 
Report adopted. 
The House adjourned at 12.22 p.m. (Thursday)