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Vote: Child Support Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 69 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand First 7; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1; Independent: Horan. 
Noes 51 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; Maori Party 2; Mana 1. 
Amendment agreed to.
King Annette: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Hon ANNETTE KING (Labour—Rongotai) 
: 
 I should have sought leave to table a document after the end of my question. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Let us check what the document is. 
Hon ANNETTE KING 
: The document is the review document from the Nelson Marlborough District Health Board entitled:  
The Future of General Surgical and Orthopaedic Service Delivery from Wairau Hospital 
. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Is it freely available? 
Hon ANNETTE KING 
: No it is not. I do not think many people have got it at all.
King Colin: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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10. 
COLIN KING (National—Kaikoura) 
 to the  
Minister of Conservation 
: Has he received the final report from the Board of Inquiry on King Salmon’s application for additional space in the Marlborough Sounds? 
Hon Dr NICK SMITH (Minister of Conservation) 
: 
 The final decision and report was received today. It provides for four new farms that will enable King Salmon to double its production to 15000 tonnes provide an additional 170 jobs and increase New Zealand exports of fine foods by $60 million per year. The surface area of water space approved is 6 hectares of over 100000 hectares within the Marlborough Sounds. Today’s decision is a very practical expression of how the member for Kaikoura and this Government support jobs and growth. 
Colin King 
: How many additional marine aquaculture areas were approved between 2000 and 2010 and what steps has the Government taken to get a better balance between conservation and job opportunities in aquaculture? 
Hon Dr NICK SMITH 
: I am advised that not one— 
Hon Gerry Brownlee 
: What? 
Hon Dr NICK SMITH 
: —not one new aquaculture area was approved in the years from 2000 to 2010 because the previous Government imposed a moratorium and then passed legislation that was so cumbersome that not a single farm was able to be approved. This Government changed the national Coastal Policy Statement to specifically recognise aquaculture. The Resource Management Act in its first round of reforms enabled these national applications and I am delighted to see a further phase of reforms that will enable jobs for New Zealanders.
Robertson H V Ross: Child Support Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: No. I am going to call the honourable member Dr Rajen Prasad. He was on the Social Services Committee.
Lee Melissa: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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6. 
MELISSA LEE (National) 
 to the  
Minister for Social Development 
: What announcements has she made on the Social Media Innovations Fund part of the Prime Minister’s Youth Mental Health package? 
Hon PAULA BENNETT (Minister for Social Development) 
: 
 Today the Prime Minister and I will be launching the Social Media Innovations Fund which is part of the Prime Minister’s Youth Mental Health Project. The Social Media Innovations Fund will support organisations to connect with young people getting them the help when they need it. For most young people Facebook Twitter texting YouTube and probably a whole lot of other things that I do not even know about are a significant part of day-to-day life. Youth mental health can be a difficult topic for young people to talk about so we need to communicate with them on their terms. 
Melissa Lee 
: What sorts of projects will this initiative fund to target young people? 
Hon PAULA BENNETT 
: Later today we will announce five projects which will receive one-off grants totalling $100000. There will also be weekends held where young people will get together with some pretty amazing entrepreneurs and talk about other initiatives that could also help. But one of these clever projects is a smartphone app where young people can actually put in their mood. If over time there is some concern with it they can automatically be told to get help where to go for it and how to access services that they might need. 
Melissa Lee 
: How is the Prime Minister’s Youth Mental Health Project giving greater access to improved youth mental health? 
Hon PAULA BENNETT 
: The project in its entirety is about doing things differently to how we have done them in the past. We are building on existing programmes in schools online in families and communities and in the health system and taking an innovative approach that takes into account the unique needs of our young people.
Vote: Child Support Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That schedule 2 as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 69 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand First 7; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1; Independent: Horan. 
Noes 51 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; Maori Party 2; Mana 1. 
Schedule 2 as amended agreed to.
Wagner Nicky: Building Amendment Bill (No 4) — Second Reading 
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NICKY WAGNER (National—Christchurch Central) 
: 
 I rise to support this Building Amendment Bill (No 4) at its second reading. 
As we have heard from the Minister for Building and Construction and the previous speaker Raymond Huo this is the second of two bills to implement the Building Act review. It is the companion to the Building Amendment Act 2012 which came into force on 13 March 2012. What this bill does is it attempts to reduce compliance costs to reduce complexity and to reduce delays in the building process. It is also about protecting consumers. 
Debate interrupted.
Robertson H V Ross: Building Amendment Bill (No 4) — Second Reading 
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The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Is the member calling? 
Nicky Wagner 
: Yes I have called. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I call the honourable member Nicky Wagner and I will have no cheek from the member on my left.
Robertson H V Ross: Child Support Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: The member may seek leave of the Committee. Is there any objection to that course of action being taken? There is none. So they will change the vote. Honourable members as a result of the change the Ayes are 69 the Noes are 51. Clause 3 is agreed to. 
Bill to be reported with amendment presently. 
House resumed. 
The Chairperson reported the Environment Canterbury (Temporary Commissioners and Improved Water Management) Amendment Bill without amendment and the Child Support Amendment Bill with amendment. 
Report adopted.
Macindoe Tim: Child Support Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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TIM MACINDOE (Junior Whip—National) 
: 
 I beg your pardon. I may have inadvertently cast the Maori Party votes in favour of clause 3. I apologise. Could I seek the leave of the Committee to correct that vote which should have been two opposed to clause 3.
Vote: Child Support Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That clause 3 be agreed to. 
Ayes 69 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand First 7; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1; Independent: Horan. 
Noes 51 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; Maori Party 2; Mana 1. 
Clause 3 agreed to. 
The result corrected after originally being announced as Ayes 71 Noes 49.
Vote: Child Support Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That clause 1 be agreed to. 
Ayes 69 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand First 7; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1; Independent: Horan. 
Noes 51 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; Maori Party 2; Mana 1. 
Clause 1 agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 181 in the name of the Hon Peter Dunne to clause 2 be agreed to.
Vote: Child Support Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 63 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Mana 1; Independent: Horan. 
Motion agreed to.
Calder Cam: Child Support Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Dr CAM CALDER (National) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
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Lee Melissa: Child Support Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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MELISSA LEE (National) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
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Vote: Child Support Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments be agreed to.  
Ayes 69 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand First 7; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1; Independent: Horan. 
Noes 51 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; Maori Party 2; Mana 1. 
Amendments agreed to.
Vote: Child Support Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 68 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand First 7; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 51 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; Maori Party 2; Mana 1. 
Amendments agreed to.
Vote: Child Support Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 69 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand First 7; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1; Independent: Horan. 
Noes 51 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; Maori Party 2; Mana 1. 
Amendment agreed to.
Vote: Child Support Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 69 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand First 7; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1; Independent: Horan. 
Noes 51 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; Maori Party 2; Mana 1. 
Amendments agreed to.
Hipkins Chris: Child Support Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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CHRIS HIPKINS (Senior Whip—Labour) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. On a voice vote you have to declare what you determine the outcome to be before a party vote can be—
Robertson H V Ross: Child Support Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: The question now is that schedule 1A stand part but we have got some amendments from the Minister for that. The first amendments are set out on Supplementary Order Paper 181 and they are the Minister’s amendments to schedule 1A. All those in favour please say Aye to the contrary No. A party vote has been called for? The Clerk will please conduct a party vote. 
Chris Hipkins 
: You have to declare the vote first. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I have done that. Part 2 as amended will stand part. That has been passed. We are now moving to schedule 1A. We have talked about the Minister’s amendments—
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 2 as amended be agreed to.  
Ayes 61 
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 59 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Maori Party 2; Mana 1; Independent: Horan. 
Part 2 as amended agreed to.
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 58 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Maori Party 2; Mana 1. 
Amendments agreed to. 
A party vote was called for on the question that Part 2 as amended be agreed to.
Vote: Child Support Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 63 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 56 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Mana 1. 
Motion agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 181 in the name of the Hon Peter Dunne to Part 2 be agreed to.
Ngaro Alfred: Child Support Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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ALFRED NGARO (National) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
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Dr RAJEN PRASAD (Labour) 
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 I believe there has been no adequate response at all from Government members as to why the Government did not take an opportunity with this bill the Child Support Amendment Bill to address child poverty. Government members have sat in this House for 4 years now denying any reasonable approach to child poverty. Here there was a chance to do that. The explanation that they have come up with is that this bill is only technical and it is only looking at some minor arrangements. There are 133000 solo parents I say to the chairman of the Social Services Committee who live in poverty and here was an opportunity through the provisions that many many presenters gave to the select committee—there was an opportunity. The pass-on mechanism was not recommended by just one or two people; it was recommended by the major institutions the major Crown entities and the major organisations that know about families. They all came to the select committee and said that here was an opportunity to do it. 
Here was a way in which those who form part of the family but are not together could contribute to the care of the children. So here was an opportunity that was not taken—not once. When we did ask what were the reasons the one reason that came from the Inland Revenue Department people was that they did not have the expertise. So because they did not have the expertise they wanted to just leave it by the wayside. That opportunity has been missed and there has been no explanation or any note as to why the pass-on mechanism that was recommended by the Children’s Commissioner ought not to be taken up. All they simply said was that this was technical and this was not the place to do that. The opportunity was lost. Members opposite have stood up and tried to defend this but it is indefensible. At least they could have shown some understanding of the situation of the families we are talking about but the members opposite have not done that. They want to defend something and they deny that the opportunity was not taken. 
The other major problem with this particular bill was the thresholds that have been set. We do believe that the 28 percent threshold is too low and as has been said the 40 percent threshold was too high so there should be some adjustment if the other parent who provides an income is providing some care. But 28 percent is only two nights. It is only two nights out of seven. We do know that it can be gamed as to which nights are picked. The most vulnerable person in this situation is the person caring for the child full-time who is often the mother. This 28 percent provision has not taken account of the effects of that on the income of the mother looking after the children. 
Debate interrupted.
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TODD McCLAY (National—Rotorua) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
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MELISSA LEE (National) 
: 
 It is a pleasure to rise to follow that member from New Lynn— 
Scott Simpson 
: No Herne Bay. 
MELISSA LEE 
: Sorry Herne Bay. No Herne Bay is not in New Lynn. Oh but he lives in Herne Bay. It is a pleasure to rise to speak after that member. I do not ever remember actually seeing him on the Social Services Committee though. 
I rise to make a very short contribution on Part 2 of the Child Support Amendment Bill which deals with departures from formula assessment collection penalties and relief. In particular I want to focus on new section 135GA inserted by clause 34 which talks about discretionary relief for residual penalty-only debt. There are of course other provisions but this is specifically dealing with debt. I know that other members have actually talked previously about unpaid child support which is in excess of $2 billion in this country and more than 70 percent of it is from overdue penalty payments. I know that the member David Clark talked about the compulsory deductions earlier. I am actually very pleased to note that this bill allows for compulsory deduction of child support from employment incomes of paying parents. 
However during the select committee process we heard about some members of the public who might have issues in terms of their cultural needs and their privacy needs where knowledge of their child support payment could jeopardise their jobs and put their jobs at risk. It might even put a black mark on their names among their ethnic communities. It was a very very difficult position that they were in. I am very glad to have had great advice from our officials and now this bill makes it possible that the issue be dealt with. The Commissioner of Inland Revenue will have the discretion to allow alternative methods of payment so that people’s child support payment automatic deductions would not be known by their employers or the community which might actually put them in jeopardy. Some talked about physical harm as a result of it. 
Even in my own culture in the Korean culture if you are divorced and you are a child support payer you might actually—sorry not you Mr Speaker—be blacklisted among Korean society members and might not even be elected to Korean society officialdom if you happen to be in that situation. I personally know as a divorced woman that being a divorced woman has a certain stigma within certain ethnic communities—mine included. I think this element of this bill actually deals with that I guess social element very well. 
That will be my only contribution on this part because yesterday we dealt with it in the second reading of the bill where I actually also talked about other bits of the bill. This is a great bill. I commend it to the Committee.
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 1 as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 68 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand First 7; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 51 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; Maori Party 2; Mana 1. 
Part 1 as amended agreed to.
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 68 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand First 7; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 51 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; Maori Party 2; Mana 1. 
Motion agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 181 in the name of the Hon Peter Dunne to Part 1 be agreed to.
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SCOTT SIMPSON (National—Coromandel) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
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The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: Members the House is in Committee for the consideration of the Child Support Amendment Bill. Before the dinner adjournment or before the Committee was suspended actually Dr Rajen Prasad had the call and it looks like he wishes to continue. He has 1½ minutes remaining.
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The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Order! Can I refer the member please to Speaker’s ruling 10/4: “Once the chairperson has accepted a closure motion and commenced to put the question it does not matter how far the chairperson gets; … the time to report progress is deferred until the closure and any consequential questions are determined.” So I am happy to determine your question now. Can I say that I looked up and I did not see the member there when I gave the previous call.
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The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Honourable members we now move to consideration of the Child Support Amendment Bill. The question is that clause 1 stand part and debate is on clauses 4 through to 25A and schedules 1A to 2. 
Hon Trevor Mallard 
: Part 1 or clause 1? 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Part 1—Part 1.
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The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I think you are allowed to knit if I remember right from the days of Judith Tizard— 
Hon Trevor Mallard 
: Yeah but not in the chair. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: But not in the chair—not in the chair. The member has been reprimanded.
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Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. If I am not mistaken it appears that the Minister in the chair Nikki Kaye is either texting or emailing. That is a clear breach of the earlier rulings on this matter. You are allowed to do it in the Chamber but not in the chair I understand.
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That clause 2 be agreed to. 
Ayes 64 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 56 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Mana 1. 
Clause 2 agreed to.
Vote: Environment Canterbury (Temporary Commissioners and Improved Water Management) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That clause 1 be agreed to. 
Ayes 64 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 56 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Mana 1. 
Clause 1 agreed to.
Vote: Environment Canterbury (Temporary Commissioners and Improved Water Management) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 64 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 56 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Mana 1. 
Motion agreed to.
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The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Well I have put the question. It has been put and it has been voted on and now the question will be put. Thank you Mr Mallard for your contribution.
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Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I think there are two points. I accept that we are probably not going to make much progress on this because in the end it is your discretion but I think there are two points that I would like to make. I think the Speaker’s ruling that you quoted from had to do with reporting progress rather than reporting a vote. I am not sure you got the right Speaker’s ruling although I am sure you could find one if you looked. The other point and I think the more important point is that it is normal for a Chairman before awarding a call to cast their eyes around the Chamber to see who is seeking a call. On this occasion it is absolutely clear that Andrew Williams was seeking the call. He called—he called before the National Party person did. You had no obligation to take him but my suggestion is that it would have been helpful if you had had a look.
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ANDREW WILLIAMS (NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I was on my feet before the National Party member had stood. So you know I am sorry that you did not see me but I was on my feet and seeking a call.
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ANDREW WILLIAMS (NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. This is an MMP democracy we have here and our party has not yet had a say on this particular bit. I find that very disappointing. We have been waiting for a call and now when we want a call we are not able to get a call. There are a number of parties in this House—
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The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: The question is that the question be now put. As many as are of that opinion will please say Aye to the contrary No. The Ayes have it.
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PAUL GOLDSMITH (National) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
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CHRIS AUCHINVOLE (National) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
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LOUISE UPSTON (Senior Whip—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. This title and commencement debate commenced last night and the Chair was very clear about the fact of its being a very narrow debate. I have been trying to point out the fact that the speaker who just resumed his seat was talking well broad of the mark. I would ask that the debate be contained to the title and commencement clauses. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Well no. Can I refer the member to Speakers’ ruling 115/1. The ruling was actually made by me back in 2004 and by Hartley also. I will read it out to the member: “When debating the preliminary clauses at the end members should have some latitude to summarise and make concluding remarks about the issues they have raised during the committee’s consideration of the bill.” That was done as a result of a report from the Standing Orders Committee in 2003. The member was quite within his rights in the way in which he was debating.
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The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: The House is in Committee. Kia ora tatou no reira e te Whare e nga iwi e nga reo e nga hau e wha. Tena koutou tena koutou tena koutou katoa. 
Hon Trevor Mallard 
: Translation? 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Greetings greetings greetings to you all. We are the people we are the culture we are from the four corners of the Earth. How is that? Has that got you Trevor? Good. We are on. Members the House is in Committee for further consideration of the Environment Canterbury (Temporary Commissioners and Improved Water Management) Amendment Bill and consideration of the Child Support Amendment Bill. Members we turn first to the Environment Canterbury (Temporary Commissioners and Improved Water Management) Amendment Bill. When the Committee’s consideration of this bill was interrupted it was debating clauses 1 through to 3. The Hon Damien O’Connor had the call and has 4 minutes and 37 seconds remaining if he so wishes. I recognise the honourable member Grant Robertson.
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LOUISE UPSTON (National—Taupo) 
: 
 My colleagues on this side of the House who spoke before me spoke very ably on the Reserve Bank of New Zealand (Covered Bonds) Amendment Bill so I am proud to support it in this reading. 
Bill read a second time.
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Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: The Hon Ruth Dyson.
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HOLLY WALKER (Green) 
 to the  
Minister of Housing 
: Is the Government on track to build the 2000 new state houses promised by Rt Hon John Key and Hon Bill English over the next two financial years or was the Minister correct when he said “I am not yet at the point where I can tick off and say they are going to meet all of those targets”? 
Hon Dr NICK SMITH (Minister of Housing) 
: 
 Yes I am now confident having met the chair and chief executive of Housing New Zealand Corporation and having been on the ground and seen the developments that are occurring both in Christchurch and in Auckland that we will in fact be able to build those 2000 new houses in the next 2 years. 
Holly Walker 
: Did he prevaricate about Housing New Zealand Corporation’s ability to meet the target because he knew that in the last financial year the corporation built only 68 houses and is clearly not in a position to increase its building programme by the 1400 percent needed to meet the target? 
Hon Dr NICK SMITH 
: No. I am just not in the business of giving false assurances. I was a new Minister— 
Hon Clayton Cosgrove 
: What about ACC? 
Hon Dr NICK SMITH 
: That is well-known. I am very proud of—[ 
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] Unlike ACC making a loss of $4.8 billion it is now doing very well. But in respect of when you are a new Minister and you are asked whether you can give absolute assurances someone from the other side may be prepared to do so. I said no I want to check it out. I have now checked it out and that is why I am confident that those houses can be built. 
Holly Walker 
: Given that Housing New Zealand Corporation had a net loss of more than 300 houses last year can he really deliver on the Prime Minister’s promise of 2000 new houses or will he have to give the Prime Minister some sage advice and tell him he is dreaming? 
Hon Dr NICK SMITH 
: The members in the Greens may not have noted that over the last 2 years Housing New Zealand Corporation was dealing with the biggest natural disaster in New Zealand history in which hundreds of homes were severely damaged in Christchurch. I think it is absolutely proper that the corporation has focused on repairing those existing houses rather than simply being solely focused on the building of new State houses. 
Melissa Lee 
: How does the approach of the current Government to Housing New Zealand Corporation vary from that of the last decade? 
Hon Dr NICK SMITH 
: The focus last decade was solely on the number of State houses and maintenance was deferred. We have been far more concerned firstly about the quality of State housing; secondly about aligning the housing stock by location and size to family needs; and thirdly ensuring that those most in need get priority for social housing and also enabling the community housing sector to play a greater role.
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NICKY WAGNER (National—Christchurch Central) 
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Minister of Broadcasting 
: What percentage of households in the South Island have gone digital ahead of the digital switchover on 28 April 2013? 
Hon CRAIG FOSS (Minister of Broadcasting) 
: 
 In the South Island 91 percent of households with TVs have now gone digital ahead of the switch-over of the South Island on 28 April. The West Coast of the South Island along with Hawke’s Bay successfully went digital at the end of September last year. There is a high degree of awareness in the South Island at around 95 percent of the need to go digital. Although some households may choose not to go digital I encourage all those that intend to to do so well before 28 April. Nationwide 91 percent of all households have already gone digital and are enjoying more channels better pictures and new services. 
Nicky Wagner 
: What action needs to be taken for those households that want to watch TV after the digital switch-over? 
Hon CRAIG FOSS 
: To keep watching TV households need to go digital by getting FreeView Sky TelstraClear or Igloo. You do not need to have a new TV to go digital as practically any television can receive the signals with the right equipment. There is currently a comprehensive public awareness campaign around the South Island to help people know everything they need to know about the digital switch-over before 28 April. People wanting to find out what they need to do to go to digital should visit www.goingdigital.co.nz or call 0800 838 800.
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AARON GILMORE (National) 
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Minister for Building and Construction 
: Has the Government changed the system for dealing with earthquake-prone buildings? 
Hon MAURICE WILLIAMSON (Minister for Building and Construction) 
: 
 No not yet. Right now a Ministry of Business Innovation and Employment consultative document that outlines proposals for improving the earthquake-prone buildings policy system in our country is out for public comment but it is only a starting point. We need the public’s feedback to set a national policy that balances risk versus cost. Submissions can be made up until 8 March and I would encourage people to put one in. 
Aaron Gilmore 
: Is the criticism of these proposals from a number of mayors valid? 
Hon MAURICE WILLIAMSON 
: No because we have not yet decided on any new policy. I would encourage all those mayors to carefully read the consultative document and then make a submission. I want to tell the House that the Government is listening to all those submissions. We will not be going to any extreme policy that sees “the main streets of all our provincial towns demolished”. There will be exemptions for things like heritage buildings. I truly believe that when a discussion document has a picture of a pretty rumpty old woolshed and says that this will not apply to haysheds woolsheds and other used things and then mayors say that is going to cause a whole lot of problems they really do need a remedial reading course. 
Aaron Gilmore 
: How much could changes to the earthquake-prone buildings policy system cost? 
Hon MAURICE WILLIAMSON 
: If we use the figures based on the starting point that the royal commission has suggested the estimated cost of this scheme would be around about $1.7 billion for the whole country. Given that the current earthquake-prone buildings policy that is in place is estimated to cost around $1 billion it means that if we did adopt the starting point we will have only about $700 million expenditure over 15 years. When I hear the mayors of Timaru south saying that in their region alone it will cost $1.8 billion just for them I really do find that my gast is flabbered.