Ball DarrochDARROCH BALL (NZ First): There are just a couple of things that I'd like to say and make very clear from New Zealand First's perspective. First of all I'd like to congratulate Mr Walker on bringing this to the House. I sat through the select committee's consideration when he brought it through and it was clear to all of us there that he was very very passionate about it and he wanted to make some changes and we could see where he was going in his intent.New Zealand First is supporting the bill as it has been reported back from select committee. But we are not supporting the Supplementary Order Paper (SOP) in Mr Walker's name. I know that Mr Walker has said something contrary to that earlier on but the reason why—and he quoted the Rt Hon Winston Peters. The reason why the Rt Hon Winston Peters said that was because we are supporting this bill and the changes that it brings. It does give access and delivers for foster kids just not those that parents still have guardianship rights under the law. So there is a very distinct difference and that's the reason why we are supporting the changes in the legislation being brought back from the select committee but we won't be continuing to support the SOP that Mr Walker has brought through. He has also brought up a couple of points and I think that someone from the National Party did too on the reasons why people are not supporting it.Throughout the select committee deliberations it was made quite obvious to me—and I'm pretty certain every single member that was sitting on that select committee at that time—that the officials found some very worrying aspects of it very complicated aspects of it and aspects where it was just not feasible or workable in terms of where Mr Walker wanted it to go. I think that we traversed all of the issues quite thoroughly as a select committee and like I stated earlier we all understood and accepted and appreciated the intent with which Mr Walker brought the legislation to the House. That I think shows that if there was a way that was workable and feasible that didn't have any of the complications that Mr Walker's SOP would bring then we would have supported that. But the fact is that the expert advice that was given to the member's bill—and this is what Mr Walker needs to understand—is independent. It is assessing the legislation the changes to the law and the outcomes that it may or may not bring. The advice that we got the advice for the select committee was that the direction that Mr Walker wanted to go in could not be completed to his full fulfilment.Lastly I would also like to quote the Minister for Children Tracey Martin who gave a first reading speech on this. She made it quite clear that—and I quote: it is very unlikely that New Zealand First will support any Supplementary Order Papers that [Mr Walker] brings forward in an attempt to bring this bill back to a wider or broader application that disempowers the parents who are still the guardians of these children." And that is important in order to understand the reasoning why New Zealand First won't support the SOP that he brings forward. Minister Martin also stated that we will support this bill in the way it's written and the way the select committee has brought it back to the House. Thank you."