Mallard Trevor: General Debate 
Mallard Trevor: General Debate 
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Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Minister for Economic Development) 
: 
 I just want to tell the House that that was Tony Ryall who has begun his movement to the backbench of the National Party. He is the member who was speaking. Apparently there are now three doctors on the backbench vying for his position as spokesperson on health. One of those doctors’ hopes went up in smoke. What is his name? Monica. He has gone but I am told a couple of others are vying for the spot. 
Tony Ryall did not answer the question that Paul Swain asked. Paul Swain asked the very very good question of what National’s tax policy is today—not earlier in the year not last month not last week but today. Earlier in the year National’s policy was for big tax cuts if not for massive personal tax cuts. Then about a month ago it was squeezed down to being tax cuts. What is happening now? National is right back to a policy of maybe having small graduated tax cuts at some time in the future. Do members know what I am predicting will happen tomorrow? National members will say that Dr Cullen has got it right. Maybe I am too much of an optimist. If those members are honest they will say tomorrow that Dr Cullen has got it right. But that would be to hope for quite a lot on the part of the National Party. 
I tell Dr Cullen that although I am not going to tell anyone what is in the Budget I will say that at the end of tomorrow people will say that it is a great Labour Budget and a great Budget for New Zealand. It is a Budget that will make a difference for New Zealanders now and a long way into the future. It is the sort of Budget that will make Tories ask why they had not first put out an alternative Budget just like it. I am sorry; I am one of the old-fashioned people and I remember carbon paper. The Tories will probably have a word-processed copy of Dr Cullen’s Budget and they will say that that is what they would have done if they had had the chance. 
As one of the members who has been around here for a while I want to say to some of the very new members over there in the Opposition that only one poll counts. It comes up roughly every 3 years—sometimes slightly earlier. The one poll that counts is held on election day. I say to members opposite that if they keep on insulting the Maori Party in the way that they did today—and in the way that Tony Ryall did today—while Tariana Turia was asking questions then they will not have a show. If they keep on questioning the integrity of people who have signed agreements in the way that they did today then they will not have a show. If they continue with the sort of approach that they have taken in this House even as recently as 1½ hours ago then they will never have the chance to put together a Government. 
I will finish where Annette King started. I ask Murray McCully who helped to organise the person for the Exclusive Brethren— 
Hon Dr Michael Cullen 
: Wayne Idour. 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: —Wayne Idour to spy on the Prime Minister whether he knew at the time that Wayne Idour was the man who was splicing pornographic videos into police training videos. Did Murray McCully know that was the case when with Exclusive Brethren money he organised someone to spy on members on the Government side of the House? Did he know that? There is no denial—there is not a denial from the Opposition; not a word of denial from the Opposition. Did John Key know that when he put the Exclusive Brethren and Don Brash together? Did he know about that man’s history? 
Hon Dr Michael Cullen 
: They were blue movies. 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: Well they were Tory movies; it is the sort of approach we expect from Tories. But I have not yet heard one National member condemn that man. Not one National member has condemned that man and all I can say is that the National members are chickens. 
The debate having concluded the motion lapsed.