McClay Todd; Mallard TrevorHon TODD McCLAY (National—Rotorua): Mr Speaker thank you very much. Ron Mark the last speaker in this debate talked about small businesses in New Zealand and the people who own them and run them. He said that they were the real heroes here that they'd put their own livelihoods on the line and indeed that they'd put their houses in many cases as security and that they would work hard and that they would get through this. I agree that they have worked very hard—they always do—but I think it's far too soon for the Government to say that they will work through this economic crisis and that the security of their houses will hold them in good place. The reason for that is that for the vast majority of small businesses in New Zealand over the last seven weeks they either haven't been allowed to open and trade or if they have been able to trade from home or over the last few weeks trade in the place of their work the amount of turnover they have is so low that in almost every situation I can think of their costs are higher than their income. That means that every single day we remain in level 3 and the public and these business owners have no certainty as to what level 2 will look like their position becomes more precarious.So I would say to Government members before they are too quick to congratulate themselves for the way New Zealanders have sacrificed over the last seven weeks they need to think about the significant economic and financial crisis that almost every single New Zealander now faces and finds himself in and every small business is grappling with because actually the biggest challenge we now face as the concern around health diminishes is how we help New Zealanders—everyday New Zealanders who live in our communities—put their lives together.There is still uncertainty. Small businesses are waiting. They do not need more debt. They do not need the Government to rearrange the debt that they have and make it cheaper. They need cash grants today in their businesses so that they can have a degree of certainty and they can pay their debts and they can rebuild as they move towards trade that may well become normal but it's not going to be normal on Thursday of next week when level 2 is delivered. For most of these businesses it will not be normal for the rest of this year or for the years to come. It's going to take a long long time. Small businesses and landlords are still waiting for Grant Robertson to deliver on his promise of almost eight weeks ago of support to help them with their rent. Most of them still haven't been able to pay their rent and their landlords are working with them. Their landlords have found accommodations but those landlords too are small-business people often. They're often people in our communities who have invested in one property and rented it out and they too have had no income over the last six or seven weeks. They have costs that are being incurred their insurance is still there their hire purchases are still there and the councils are still charging their rates as fast as they can and yet they wait for Mr Robertson to deliver on that promise he said where there would be support all those weeks ago.I find it very disappointing that the Prime Minister says that we trust New Zealanders to do the right thing and stay at home during lockdown and that we trust New Zealanders to self-isolate for such a long period of time but she won't show the respect to New Zealanders to have announced what level 2 will look like on Monday when Cabinet made that decision. I know there are some that would say Well you know New Zealanders may take advantage of that." but you can't on the one hand ask them to sacrifice and trust them but at the same time make them wait a period of time before you tell them what level 2 would look like. People need to know whether they'll be able to go back to work in the way they want to. They need to know how they will be able to open their businesses next week. They need to know whether they will be sending their children back to school and under what conditions they will be sending their children back to school. They need to be able to plan they need the certainty and we should be showing them the respect after they have worked so hard—so hard—and sacrificed so much over the last seven weeks to be able to tell them that. I know we'll hear it tomorrow but I don't understand why it is we didn't show New Zealanders the respect to demonstrate to them earlier exactly what would happen.The reason I say this is yesterday the Minister of Tourism said that he had been doing web seminars and that he had been talking to the tourism industry and that although he wasn't doing anything this week around jobs there was more help coming and I pleaded with him to deliver so that people could keep their employees on. Well last night on the news we saw in Queenstown 800 jobs lost in the tourism sector. They were lost in Rotorua and they were lost in Taupō and in almost every part of this country. So I say to that tourism Minister don't listen to them when they say "He's gone missing." but show up work hard and deliver for that sector because there are 200000 jobs that'll be lost unless he does his job—SPEAKER: Order! The member's time has expired."