McAnulty KieranKIERAN McANULTY (Labour): I just want to make sure Madam Chair you did—CHAIRPERSON (Poto Williams): I did call you Kieran McAnulty.KIERAN McANULTY: Oh how exciting. You know as a new member in this House it's quite disheartening really to see former Ministers stand up and be so cynical about the process. You know the fact is I'm starting to understand why indeed they are former Ministers because they are not taking this seriously. All we've heard tonight from that side of the Chamber is This was our bill. We like this SOP and let's get on with it."Hon Gerry Brownlee: What's wrong with that cobber?KIERAN McANULTY: I'll tell you what's wrong with it Mr Brownlee—and I understand the fact that the people here have elected us here to debate the issues to do the job. You know some members like the MP for Pakuranga might be satisfied by finishing after 30 seconds but we want to do a proper job. We want to actually do this properly. You know we're not going to enter into this debate and withdraw straight away. That is not how we go about this.Hon Gerry Brownlee: I raise a point of order Madam Chairperson. Listening to the impassioned pleas of that member to discuss the bill I think you should pull him back right on to the topic.CHAIRPERSON (Poto Williams): I think that's a very good idea.KIERAN McANULTY: Thank you Madam Chair. I must admit I shouldn't have followed the previous speaker's example. I should not have thought that I as a new member would learn something from a previous Minister—the previous speaker the Hon Gerry Brownlee—and stand up here and abuse the other side of the House. I forgot from the previous example that I should have actually stuck to the bill. So thank you for that guidance.The fact is that previous speaker did in his contribution—and I understand that I can refer to previous contributions; that is relevant—referred to a minor mistake. That side of the House knows about mistakes. They've made two today: they have elected Simon Bridges as leader and they have kept Paula Bennett as deputy leader.Hon Gerry Brownlee: I raise a point of order Madam Chairperson. Even with the greatest breadth of lenience—CHAIRPERSON (Poto Williams): Yes I completely agree with you.Hon Gerry Brownlee: —that you might like to exercise as Chair that is completely unacceptable.CHAIRPERSON (Poto Williams): I completely agree. Please bring it back to the bill.KIERAN McANULTY: I thought it was quite good.CHAIRPERSON (Poto Williams): The last few minutes of this debate—please bring it back to something substantial.KIERAN McANULTY: You know the major focus of the other side of the House tonight for those who did decide to stand up and speak on it was the Supplementary Order Paper (SOP) that was put forward by the Hon Paul Goldsmith.Hon Ruth Dyson: He didn't take a call though.KIERAN McANULTY: No he did not. He did not take a call. Not many people did. When they did stand up they wanted to close the motion. What does that say to the people of New Zealand? Does that side of the House take education seriously? I would suspect that they do not.But this SOP wanted to bring in some sort of equality measures so-called.Hon Gerry Brownlee: I raise a point of order Madam Chairperson. Talking about an SOP that's been dealt with by the committee is not relevant for this part. Now the member says he wants to learn a lot from me. Well the first thing I'd say to him is: in a tight situation don't make it harder for yourself; concentrate on what's in the bill.CHAIRPERSON (Poto Williams): Absolutely. I think this is the last chance.KIERAN McANULTY: Gee this is a great bill. This is a great bill and I'm so pleased that this Government has improved it by taking out that measure that I was referring to the equality funding measure because in doing so this Government has said that we're not going to restrict funding to private or public institutions. We're going to make sure—and that is why it's called the Education (Tertiary Education and Other Matters) Amendment Bill. This indeed is another matter.I don't want to take too much time of the House because it is an important thing and we do want to get on with it so I'm going to sit down now. But I thank you for the opportunity for contributing to this debate."