Jackson WillieHon WILLIE JACKSON (Minister for Māori Development): I just want to thank that member even though she opposes this bill. I want to thank her for her contribution because she is quite right. This goes right across the spectrum in terms of Māori development Whānau Ora and it's a very very important piece of legislation—one of the most important pieces of legislation for Te Ao Māori actually that's why I'm having a little bit of a contribution with regards to it. With respect to the previous member Harete Hipango she said Jacqui Te Kani who was the former leader of the Māori Women's Welfare League—and it's actually her son Chappie Te Kani who's as you know the CEO.I wanted to just say this kaupapa is incredibly important as the previous member touched on and I want to pay tribute to an old friend of mine a man by the name of Des Ratima who brought this to the fore. Des was a very close friend of mine—he passed away about three months ago—but it was his work in Hastings where he supported a young woman who was traumatised sadly by some of the actions of our Oranga Tamariki staff at the time and it was around the whole upliftment kaupapa. Des supported this young woman and then this story blew up on one of the entities. A woman by the name of Melanie Reid highlighted this kaupapa to the nation and I think people were a bit stunned by what was happening. So I mihi my mate for his contribution being the catalyst to this kaupapa and he was a wonderful advocate for Te Ao Māori. Nō reira taku hoa moe mai moe mai moe mai rā.[Therefore oh friend rest rest rest well.]But Des followed up on much of the mahi that we had done at ground level with my organisation Manukau Urban Māori Authority (MUMA) with the Waipareira Trust who have worked at this—and that's John Tamihere's organisation. We've worked at ground level with our whānau for many many years and we would never ever—ever—put up with our babies being threatened. So when the strategy or the campaign came out in terms of not one more baby would be taken we—I'm a person who has taken babies. We took babies. I worked with my mother and other social workers at ground level. When we had babies who were being threatened we would go in and take the babies and make sure that the whānau was OK and if that meant removing people who were in the way we would remove those people. Sometimes they were gang members; sometimes they were people who were threatening whānau and community—whatever. Our organisation worked at ground level to make sure that there was safety paramount in terms of the baby and in terms of the mother and we did that for a number of years and sadly out of sync with our Government agency. But we said that you have to be careful when you take babies. It's not about not taking babies; it's about ensuring that the whānau is safe. The problem we had was that we had our social workers from Oranga Tamariki going and traumatising whānau and you can't just take a baby and not talk to the mother. You can't just take a baby and not talk to the whānau. You can't traumatise our communities—that was the essence and the catalyst to this bill.I'm pleased that we've been able to work through this and reach a position with our good people in Oranga Tamariki. Don't get me wrong we all know there are some wonderful social workers in Oranga Tamariki. But if the policies are not right then you get a consequence and the consequences have been traumatised whānau and traumatised communities.Now after us observing things after us seeing the work of Jean Te Huia and some of our groups from Te Whānau o Waipareira Trust and MUMA we built a strategy to combat that. That strategy has been a top-heavy and heavyweight Māori group led by Matthew Tukaki and people like Naida Glavish on there fantastic group overseeing what our whānau need and that group has come up with 25 recommendations to make sure that our families are more comfortable that our families are safer. I'm proud that our Minister Kelvin Davis has taken that on board because he knows the way forward is that there has to be some devolvement to NGOs and recognition of the work that our groups do at community level. That's why this legislation is so incredibly important. So I mihi to our Minister Kelvin Davis and that group who've done some important work going forward.Our work is now. Even though I talk about Oranga Tamariki in the past tense I know the changes are happening now with Chappie Te Kani and the people there. I think that if they can work in tandem with our community they can lay down a future that will be good and safe for all our tamariki and all our whānau. Kia ora anō tātou katoa. Kia ora.