Boyack Rachel; Costello CaseyRACHEL BOYACK (Labour—Nelson): Thank you Mr Chair. Thank you for the opportunity to take a call Mr Chair. I just note that this is the first opportunity I've had to take a call and I do want to bring in a couple of new matters. I just want to reiterate again that we haven't had the opportunity to have that select committee process and as some members have so aptly pointed out this is the opportunity that we would normally have to seek some further information from officials. So I'm not going to use my full call but I do want to be able to ask some specific questions.The first is I think my colleague Dr Ayesha Verrall has actually put in place a very sensible amendment where it would insert new section 20OD which would prevent smoking in national parks. Now this may seem to some members who live in urban areas—why would this be an important matter to raise? But in my area which I know Mr Chair you know well we have a number of national parks. We currently have significant fire restrictions and I'd be interested to know if the Associate Minister of Health would consider making such an amendment because we are at serious risk of a fire if there were to be somebody using a cigarette in close proximity to a national park. So I thought that was a very interesting amendment and I'd be interested in the Minister's comments.But what I want to come back to is some comments that the Minister made in some of her responses because they were very interesting to me. These are specific comments that the Minister has put forward in her responses and I would like just to dig into them a little bit more. In an earlier response the Minister said that the goal was to reduce smoking rates which is why we are repealing this and I can't quite understand that because actually the evidence that I've seen is that repealing this won't lead to reducing smoking rates to the extent that we need to in order to achieve the goals. So I'm specifically interested in any advice that the Minister has seen to specifically look at reaching the goals that we need to reach under the legislation that were put in place may I remind members by members of the National Party in the past. The logic doesn't seem to apply to this. I can't see the logic when the Minister said we want to reduce smoking rates which is why we are repealing this.The other matter—and my colleague Dr Ayesha Verrall has tried to elicit answers from the Minister on this and has not actually had the answers about what advice has been received. We've heard the Minister's arguments as to why she thinks this is a good idea but we're specifically asking around advice. The Minister has made comments that we're not amending the target just the process but we have not had any information into what process that is. Sure we can have a target but we can't reach that target without a mechanism or without a process. So just I'm responding specifically to these comments from the Minister and my colleague who has tried to seek further information about the advice that the Minister has received in order for us to reach the target.This is why I want to dig in further to some of the responses the Minister has made and I will continue to seek the call until we have actually received those answers. Thank you Mr Chair.Hon CASEY COSTELLO (Associate Minister of Health): As I think I've reiterated I have received a range of advice extensive advice and I'd love to list it here.Hon Grant Robertson: That's not the point of this stage. You get to do that in questions; you don't get to do that in committee of the whole House.Hon CASEY COSTELLO: OK. So when I talked about how this is the process I'm talking about specifically we are repealing the systems that were put in place as part of the amendment that was passed which is the denicotinisation the reduced retailers and the ban on young people buying cigarettes who were born from January 2009. Those are the systems we're repealing and that is the process that was being applied to achieve the smoke-free targets that were being propositioned. But as I've said repeatedly this level that we were at in terms of our smoking targets is significantly higher than when that legislation was put in place. So we are committed to achieving the less than 5 percent smoke-free targets across all populations and we will continue to drive those initiatives.