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Vote: Plumbers Gasfitters and Drainlayers Amendment Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeVote: Plumbers Gasfitters and Drainlayers Amendment Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 02 July 2013. Volume:691;Page:11743. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]A party vote was called for on the questionThat clause 2 be agreed to.Ayes63New Zealand National 59; Māori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; Independent: Dunne.Noes54New Zealand Labour 33; Green Party 12; New Zealand First 7; Mana 1; Independent: Horan.Clause 2 agreed to.
Vote: Plumbers Gasfitters and Drainlayers Amendment Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeVote: Plumbers Gasfitters and Drainlayers Amendment Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 02 July 2013. Volume:691;Page:11742. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]A party vote was called for on the questionThat clause 1 be agreed to.Ayes63New Zealand National 59; Māori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; Independent: Dunne.Noes54New Zealand Labour 33; Green Party 12; New Zealand First 7; Mana 1; Independent: Horan.Clause 1 agreed to.
Vote: Plumbers Gasfitters and Drainlayers Amendment Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeVote: Plumbers Gasfitters and Drainlayers Amendment Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 02 July 2013. Volume:691;Page:11742. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]A party vote was called for on the questionThat Part 2 be agreed to.Ayes63New Zealand National 59; Māori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; Independent: Dunne.Noes54New Zealand Labour 33; Green Party 12; New Zealand First 7; Mana 1; Independent: Horan.Part 2 agreed to.
Tisch Lindsay: Plumbers Gasfitters and Drainlayers Amendment Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeTisch Lindsay: Plumbers Gasfitters and Drainlayers Amendment Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 02 July 2013. Volume:691;Page:11742. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch): We have a correction to the previous vote and this was Brendan Horan’s amendment. The correct vote should be the Ayes 14 and the Noes 103. The record will be changed accordingly.
Vote: Plumbers Gasfitters and Drainlayers Amendment Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeVote: Plumbers Gasfitters and Drainlayers Amendment Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 02 July 2013. Volume:691;Page:11742. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]A party vote was called for on the questionThat the amendments be agreed to.Ayes54New Zealand Labour 33; Green Party 12; New Zealand First 7; Mana 1; Independent: Horan.Noes63New Zealand National 59; Māori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; Independent: Dunne.Amendments not agreed to.
Vote: Plumbers Gasfitters and Drainlayers Amendment Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeVote: Plumbers Gasfitters and Drainlayers Amendment Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 02 July 2013. Volume:691;Page:11741. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]A party vote was called for on the questionThat the amendment be agreed to.Ayes14Green Party 12; Mana 1; Independent: Horan.Noes103New Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 33; New Zealand First 7; Māori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; Independent: Dunne.Amendment not agreed to.The result corrected after originally being announced as Ayes 14 Noes 105.Part 1 agreed to.
Tisch Lindsay: Plumbers Gasfitters and Drainlayers Amendment Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeTisch Lindsay: Plumbers Gasfitters and Drainlayers Amendment Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 02 July 2013. Volume:691;Page:11741. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch): Members we come to the votes on Part 1. We have an amendment in the name of Brendan Horan to clause 4(2). The question is that the amendment be agreed to. Those of that opinion will say Aye to the contrary No. The Noes have it? [Interruption ] The Noes have it? Can I just remind members that if you want a party vote you must challenge my vote at the time not many seconds later because I was ready to move on. But this is probably the first amendment the member has put and with the goodwill of the Committee I am allowing a party vote.The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Brendan Horan to clause 4 be agreed to:in subclause (2) replace the words “of any amount it thinks fit for the purpose of funding the costs arising out of—” with the words “of a reasonable and justified amount for the purpose of funding costs directly attributable to the functions of—”
Horan Brendan: Plumbers Gasfitters and Drainlayers Amendment Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeHoran Brendan: Plumbers Gasfitters and Drainlayers Amendment Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 02 July 2013. Volume:691;Page:11741. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]BRENDAN HORAN (Independent):I would like to put forward an amendment to clause 4(2) in the Plumbers Gasfitters and Drainlayers Amendment Bill a clause that amends section 143 of the Act to replace the words “of any amount it thinks fit for the purpose of funding the costs arising out of—” with “of a reasonable and justified amount for the purpose of funding costs directly attributable to the functions of”. I believe that any amendment should define what “a cost arising out of” is. It is far too broad as it stands and it is being applied to items that the Regulations Review Committee has already stated do not appear to be costs arising from investigations.So the bill as it is is validating expenditure by the Plumbers Gasfitters and Drainlayers Board on items that may not be costs arising out of investigations. The validation at this stage simply gives the board a clean slate another start point to cover its total incompetence and that of the Minister for Building and Construction and the Building and Housing Group. We ask where the accountability is. For instance was the legal firm that gave wrong advice to the board held accountable and did that legal firm repay the money the fee that it was paid? I would suggest certainly not.I would ask too where the accountability is in the bill as it stands. Is anybody on the board going to lose their job because of the debacle that occurred? Saying that they are going to be held accountable through the Minister’s accountability agreement is certainly a long bow to stretch.The industry started as a victim. The industry had followed the correct procedures to get accountability which the Government has taken away with this bill. The industry is once again the victim. This bill will create more problems than it will resolve. Bully-boy tactics will no longer be accepted and those in the industry who disagree with the board have clearly indicated that they will stand their ground. What happens from here on is the responsibility of the Government and the board. If the industry declines and fails it is this Government’s failure and the board’s failure. So to that end I would like to put forward this amendment.
Horan Brendan: Plumbers Gasfitters and Drainlayers Amendment Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeHoran Brendan: Plumbers Gasfitters and Drainlayers Amendment Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 02 July 2013. Volume:691;Page:11735. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]BRENDAN HORAN (Independent):Before I start I would like to thank the Chair for the opportunity to speak. As one of now two independent MPs in Parliament I get the opportunity to truly partake in the democratic process only during the Committee stage of each bill along with seven other MPs who have to beg steal or borrow speaking slots from the major parties. For me this rarely occurs so I really do appreciate being able to take this call. I also look forward to taking calls later this evening and certainly after dinner whereby I can partake in the democratic process because as we know sometimes deals are made between major parties but they do not consider those other MPs who are in the House.This Plumbers Gasfitters and Drainlayers Amendment Bill is somewhat akin to the Government Communications Security Bureau debacle and Kim Dotcom. The Government has this Plumbers Gasfitters and Drainlayers Board which was investigated by the Ombudsman who found dubious illegal and unlawful activity. Rather than pay back the $600000—Ministers pay themselves a Wellington accommodation allowance of over $600000 annually so it would have been quite easy for the board to repay that money—to the plumbers gasfitters and drainlayers whom the board illegally took that money from the board went to the Minister and here we have now a retrospective change in legislation. It is not fair. It is not the Kiwi way. I wonder what is happening to our country and the message that we are sending out to the children of New Zealand when something so wrong can just be turned round and we change legislation.When we look at legislation I think it is very very important that we ask whether this is good legislation. As we have heard from everybody on this side of the Chamber this is clearly not good legislation. This is a board that has adopted a heavy-handed approach. It is turning this great industry itself—the 17100 tradesmen in the industry—against the Government. We need to look only to some of the other price increases that this board has wrought upon the plumbers gasfitters and drainlayers. If we look at the cost to plumbers for instance to get an apprentice through the system what used to be $6000 thanks to levies imposed by the board is now $12000 or $14000 an apprentice. I spoke to a plumber earlier this week who normally has three apprentices but because of the costs imposed by this board he now has only one apprentice. He told me himself that once that apprentice is finished he is not going to get another one. So we have a board that is really turning the industry against itself.I cannot support this bill. Thank you very much.
Dyson Ruth: Plumbers Gasfitters and Drainlayers Amendment Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeDyson Ruth: Plumbers Gasfitters and Drainlayers Amendment Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 02 July 2013. Volume:691;Page:11732. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Hon RUTH DYSON (Labour—Port Hills):Thank you very much for the opportunity to conclude this speech that I began before the luncheon suspension. In that earlier contribution I reminded the Committee of the whole House that when this bill was introduced the Hon Maurice Williamson the Minister in charge of the bill said on 14 March 2013 that it was critical for the continued solvency of the board that the bill was sent to a select committee that submissions were called for and heard that advice from the officials was asked for and received that the bill was deliberated on—all in one week—that the report-back date was 22 March 2013 and that it all had to be done and dusted in this House by 1 April. Even according to our rather wonky calendar it is now 2 July. I do not know why the Minister could not have taken the advice of justabout everyone in the House and certainly every member of the select committee taken a deep breath and a step back and looked at what the actual problems are and what a fair resolution of the problems would be.There is not one person in this Chamber who does not respect the trades that we are discussing in this bill and the need for safety in those trades. And I am sure there is not a single tradesperson throughout the country who would disagree with that either. The people who are impacted by this retrospective legislation took their complaint to the Regulations Review Committee not once not twice but I understand now for a third time. They have taken this issue to the Ombudsman. They have taken the issue to the Auditor-General. Where else could they go? Every single body that they legitimately raised their complaint with said their complaint was justified. And instead of looking at the real problem instead of looking at the real issues and asking as a Parliament how we address that—because we all agree on what we want the outcome to be—Maurice Williamson said: “I have seen the disallowance motion from the Regulations Review Committee. I know they’ve got further consideration here again. I will introduce and ram through the House in a 1-week session retrospective legislation to validate the actions of the board.”We agree with a solution to this. We pledged to work across all parties to find a fair solution to this issue. I am pleased that the Hon Gerry Brownlee is in the chair at the moment because he might redeem the situation. He knows what it is like to have a big issue and to work across all political parties to try to get solutions. This is not the answer.
Tisch Lindsay: Plumbers Gasfitters and Drainlayers Amendment Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeTisch Lindsay: Plumbers Gasfitters and Drainlayers Amendment Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 02 July 2013. Volume:691;Page:11732. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch): Members the House in Committee on the Plumbers Gasfitters and Drainlayers Amendment Bill is resumed.Hon Trevor Mallard: I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. It is a tradition that some Minister is proud enough of the bill to sit in the chair.The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch): Sorry yes—I cannot proceed. Thank you. Members we will start again. The House in Committee on the Plumbers Gasfitters and Drainlayers Amendment Bill is resumed. Before the lunch break we were debating Part 1. The Hon Ruth Dyson had the call and she has 2 minutes 50 seconds remaining should she wish. Before I call the member I ask those who are leaving the Chamber to do so expeditiously please so that we can actually hear the speeches.
Lole-Taylor Asenati: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to MembersText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeLole-Taylor Asenati: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members[Sitting date: 02 July 2013. Volume:691;Page:11732. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]1.Le’aufa’amulia ASENATI LOLE-TAYLOR (NZ First)to theChairperson of the Local Government and Environment Committee: How many submissions have been received on the Manukau City Council (Regulation of Prostitution in Specified Places) Bill?NICKY WAGNER (Chairperson of the Local Government and Environment Committee):The committee received 229 submissions.Le’aufa’amulia Asenati Lole-Taylor: What was the percentage of submitters granted the opportunity to present at the select committee oral hearings and how many submitters were declined to be heard in person?NICKY WAGNER: The committee travelled to Auckland to hear submissions. We heard 18 submissions and as far as I know none were declined.
Carter David: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to MembersText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeCarter David: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members[Sitting date: 02 July 2013. Volume:691;Page:11732. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Mr SPEAKER: From the point of view of raising the matter it was raised and the leave was put to the House. The House then accepted that the Minister would correct an answer. As I understood it he was correcting something that was factually incorrect in the substantive answer earlier. It is certainly unhelpful then to add the political connotations. It may lead to difficulties where leave is sought to correct an answer and it in fact may not be given.
Mallard Trevor: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to MembersText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMallard Trevor: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members[Sitting date: 02 July 2013. Volume:691;Page:11731. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South):I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I think that I am making the same point of order that my colleague was making before he stood up. Ministers get permission to correct answers when they are factually inaccurate and not to make cheap political points. If—[Interruption ]Mr SPEAKER: Order! This is a point of order.Hon TREVOR MALLARD: If the process of giving leave is to continue we will need some assurances from the Leader of the House that that does not happen again.
English Bill: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to MembersText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeEnglish Bill: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members[Sitting date: 02 July 2013. Volume:691;Page:11731. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Hon BILL ENGLISH (Minister of Finance):I need to correct an answer I gave to an earlier question.Mr SPEAKER: So you are seeking leave to correct an answer. Is there any objection to that course of action? There is none.Hon BILL ENGLISH: In response to a question from David Bennett regarding public assets I implied that Albania does not have any partially privatised companies. I am advised that in fact it does have mixed-ownership companies. We cannot find a single country where the Labour policy is in place.Hon Trevor Mallard: Point of order Mr Speaker. [Interruption ]Mr SPEAKER: Order! Order! I am trying to hear a point of order from the Hon Trevor Mallard.
Dunne Peter: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to MembersText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeDunne Peter: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members[Sitting date: 02 July 2013. Volume:691;Page:11728. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]11.Hon PETER DUNNE (Independent—Ōhariu)to theMinister of Conservation: What are his legislative priorities for the balance of this year?Hon Dr NICK SMITH (Minister of Conservation):My first priority is progress on marine protection and particularly the Subantarctic Islands Marine Reserves Bill. I am also keen to progress the Game Animal Council legislation for which the member has been the architect and the issues around the confidence and supply agreement with the member over game hunting. I am also working on a conservation law reform bill to improve management of conservation lands which make up about a third of New Zealand.Hon Peter Dunne: When does the Minister expect the Game Animal Council Bill to be passed and the council formally established?Hon Dr NICK SMITH: I am working on a Supplementary Order Paper with the member amending the bill to address the interests of the professional hunting guidesand game estates. My ambition is to have the legislation through the House this year and the Game Animal Council formed on that timetable as well.Hon Peter Dunne: What steps is he taking to outlaw heli-hunting as per the National - United Future confidence and supply agreement and will those steps be in place before the current heli-hunting permits expire in February 2014?Hon Dr NICK SMITH: The Government is committed to the changes around heli-hunting. It is my intention to include those changes in a conservation law reform bill. There is the issue of the concessions for heli-hunting which is coming up and I am working with the department on finding a solution so that it is consistent with the Government’s direction of reform.
Hutchison Paul: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to MembersText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeHutchison Paul: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members[Sitting date: 02 July 2013. Volume:691;Page:11724. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]8.Dr PAUL HUTCHISON (National—Hunua)to theAssociate Minister of Health: What investment has this Government made to improve eating disorders services?Hon TODD McCLAY (Associate Minister of Health):Tēnā koe Mr Speaker. I am pleased to report that in 2012 920 people were seen by specialist—[Interruption ]Mr SPEAKER: Order! Would the Minister please start his answer again.Hon TODD McCLAY: I am pleased to report that in 2012 920 people were seen by specialist eating disorders teams in New Zealand compared with only 483 in 2008 1 year before this Government’s extra funding began. The improved services began in 2009 after this Government invested an extra $26 million for treating eating disorders which is paying for crucial earlier detection and family-based therapy for sufferers of eating disorders. The situation this Government inherited meant that many anorexics in New Zealand would quite likely have ended up having to be sent to Sydney for treatment because services were inadequate here.Dr Paul Hutchison: What progress has been made as a result of this extra funding?Hon TODD McCLAY: Oh important progress. The extra funding has more than doubled the number of dedicated beds and doubled the number of patients accessingspecialist care. There are now 27 dedicated national beds around New Zealand. We are also ensuring community teams around the country are working better together and have stronger links to resources training and support from their specialist services in Auckland Wellington and Christchurch. Anorexia is a terrifying illness. It has the highest mortality rate of any mental illness but I am advised that this improved treatment is making a significant difference to the many young sufferers and their families.
Yang Jian: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to MembersText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeYang Jian: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members[Sitting date: 02 July 2013. Volume:691;Page:11720. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]5.Dr JIAN YANG (National)to theMinister of Commerce: What progress is the Government making on its commitment to introduce new KiwiSaver periodic disclosure rules?Hon CRAIG FOSS (Minister of Commerce):New disclosure rules that will give New Zealanders better information to compare KiwiSaver funds came into effect on 1 July. The KiwiSaver disclosure regulations will benefit savers by requiring KiwiSaverschemes to regularly report on fund performance fees asset allocation and other matters in a simple and standardised form. These changes allow KiwiSaver members to directly and easily compare funds to make an informed investment choice. The new KiwiSaver disclosure rules are part of the Government’s Business Growth Agenda to promote confidence of investors and businesses in the regulatory settings that support New Zealand’s capital markets.Dr Jian Yang: What other requirements are there in the new disclosure rules?Hon CRAIG FOSS: Under the regulations KiwiSaver providers will have to publish quarterly and annual disclosure statements online. KiwiSaver providers will also need to publish the information in a consistent data set that can be easily assessed and viewed on websites such as the Sorted website. The first disclosure statements are due to be published in mid-October 2013.
Mitchell Mark: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to MembersText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMitchell Mark: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members[Sitting date: 02 July 2013. Volume:691;Page:11719. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]3.MARK MITCHELL (National—Rodney)to theMinister of Police: What announcements has she made to hold people with outstanding arrest warrants to account?Hon ANNE TOLLEY (Minister of Police):Yesterday the Minister for Social Development and I announced that beneficiaries with outstanding arrest warrants will have their benefits stopped if they fail to clear their warrant within 38 days. At any one time there are about 15000 people with outstanding warrants and 8000 of those are on a benefit. This Government believes that it is totally unacceptable for the taxpayer to continue to fund the activities of those avoiding the law and we are putting a stop to it. This initiative delivers a very clear message that people need to be responsible for their actions and comply with the law. As the police say no show no dough.Mark Mitchell: What benefits will this initiative deliver to the police?Hon ANNE TOLLEY: These changes will free up significant police time and resources. The risk of having their benefit cut provides a strong incentive for an individual to turn up to court when required resulting in fewer arrest warrants being issued by the courts. However if an individual fails to turn up there is a high chance that they will contact the Ministry of Social Development or the police when their benefit is stopped leading to quicker apprehensions. This means that police do not have to spend as much time running around looking for people who have failed to appear in court and they can spend more time out preventing and fighting crime.
Mallard Trevor: Points of Order — Business Statement—Delivery During UrgencyText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMallard Trevor: Points of Order — Business Statement—Delivery During Urgency[Sitting date: 02 July 2013. Volume:691;Page:11716. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South):I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I just wonder whether notwithstanding the fact that we are in urgency the Leader of the House might like to share with the House his plans for next week which is the normal practice.
Robertson H V Ross: Motions — United Nations Security Council—New Zealand’s CandidatureText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeRobertson H V Ross: Motions — United Nations Security Council—New Zealand’s Candidature[Sitting date: 02 July 2013. Volume:691;Page:11716. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]H V ROSS ROBERTSON (Labour—Manukau East):I seek leave for a non-debatable notice of motion No. 14 in my name supporting New Zealand’s bid for a non-permanent seat on the UN Security Council.Mr SPEAKER: Leave is sought for that course of action. Is there any objection? There appears to be none.H V ROSS ROBERTSON: I moveThat this House support New Zealand’s candidature for a non-permanent seat on the United Nations Security Council for the 2015-2016 term and note the important contribution made by New Zealand in its last term on the Council in 1993-1994; and express the determination that New Zealand will again be a distinctive independent principled voice on the Council and will bring to that Council the qualities for which it is known at the United Nations namely those of a small diverse country which listens to others and is a fair-minded and reliable partner in world affairs .Motion agreed to.
Dyson Ruth: Plumbers Gasfitters and Drainlayers Amendment Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeDyson Ruth: Plumbers Gasfitters and Drainlayers Amendment Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 02 July 2013. Volume:691;Page:11715. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Hon RUTH DYSON (Labour—Port Hills):I am really pleased to be able to contribute in the Committee stage of the Plumbers Gasfitters and Drainlayers Amendment Bill. Can I begin by commending the members of the Government Administration Committee two of whom have already spoken and I certainly hope that the National members of the select committee are able to contribute later in this debate as well. We worked really hard on this bill because we all agreed there was a problem. We heard from the Minister for Building and Construction when the bill was referred to us that this was a matter of some urgency. When the Hon Maurice Williamson introduced the bill on 14 March he actually said that the bill would be reported back to the House by 22 March just 1 week later. He expected the select committee to call for submissions to ask for and receive advice to consider the submissions to then get the officials’ comments on the submissions and to deliberate at one meeting. We agreed to try to do that even though we thought it was pretty impossible to ask for advice and receive it on the same day and call for submissions and receive them within a week let alone deliberate carefully on what was clearly a very contentious issue.We then asked the Minister for another week which made it 2 weeks in total and we reported the bill back to the House. We were unable to reach agreement. Holly Walker has very eloquently outlined our deliberation including the amendment that we made to Part 2. We got it back to the House in good faith believing that the matter was urgent and that it had to be all done and dusted by 1 April. I resent standing here on 4 July in the real world—2 July in Parliament’s terms—debating a bill that we had given such a high priority to at the select committee because the Minister said it was a matter of critical importance to have it back done and dusted in this House before 1 April. So here we are under urgency 3 months after the self-imposed deadline debating this matter.Debate interrupted.Sitting suspended from 1 p.m. to 2 p.m.
Vote: State Sector and Public Finance Reform Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeVote: State Sector and Public Finance Reform Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 02 July 2013. Volume:691;Page:11711. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]A party vote was called for on the questionThat clause 2 as amended be agreed to.Ayes95New Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 33; ACT New Zealand 1; Independents: Dunne Horan.Noes23Green Party 13; New Zealand First 7; Māori Party 2; Mana 1.Clause 2 as amended agreed to.The Committee divided the bill into the State Sector Amendment Bill the Public Finance Amendment Bill (No 2) and the Crown Entities Amendment Bill pursuant to Supplementary Order Paper 261.Bill to be reported with amendment presently.
Vote: State Sector and Public Finance Reform Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeVote: State Sector and Public Finance Reform Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 02 July 2013. Volume:691;Page:11710. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]A party vote was called for on the questionThat the amendments be agreed to.Ayes94New Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 33; ACT New Zealand 1; Independent: Dunne.Noes23Green Party 13; New Zealand First 7; Māori Party 2; Mana 1.Amendments agreed to.
Robertson H V Ross: State Sector and Public Finance Reform Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeRobertson H V Ross: State Sector and Public Finance Reform Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 02 July 2013. Volume:691;Page:11702. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson): I call the Hon Nanaia Mahuta. Tēnā koe. Kei te pēhea koe?
Robertson H V Ross: State Sector and Public Finance Reform Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeRobertson H V Ross: State Sector and Public Finance Reform Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 02 July 2013. Volume:691;Page:11700. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson): I call the honourable member Darien Fenton.David Bennett: Excellent choice. Excellent choice.
Hayes John: State Sector and Public Finance Reform Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeHayes John: State Sector and Public Finance Reform Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 02 July 2013. Volume:691;Page:11679. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]JOHN HAYES (National—Wairarapa):Maybe I can help the member Damien O’Connor. One would have thought that a man of his experience with many years as a Minister in our system of Government would actually understand the day to day mechanics of how the Government’s finances work. Every one of the public servants whom you will find in this country knows that when you have a 12-month budget May and June are spent furiously trying to get rid of all the unspent money because if it is not spent by 30 June you lose it. This is an incredibly inefficient and stupid process because the world operates on a much longer time frame.If you think about the problem—let us take for example the aid programme where you are spending $600 million - plus a year on aid projects—it is really difficult to spend that sort of amount of money annually on an annual budget. You have got to have a longer time frame because you will get much more sensible spending of taxpayer money. That is why you and I are in this Chamber. That is why we are held accountable as electorate MPs because our communities expect us to be here doing the right thing making sure that their taxes are being spent wisely. That is what the changes in this billare going to provide for. They provide for a much more rational time frame and they get rid of the irrational huge expenditure that is very often on wasted items because you are trying to get rid of the money within 12 months when the real world does not work in 12-month segments.Hon David Cunliffe: I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. The member who is addressing the Committee is a new member but he should know not to bring you into debates.The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch): Look I am listening very carefully and that point of order was just an interruption of the member’s speech. I will take note if I am offended by the speech. I call John Hayes.JOHN HAYES: Thank you Mr Chair. One would have thought that the interrupter as an ex - public servant himself would know that what I am saying is absolutely straightforward is absolutely straight up and down and is in the taxpayer’s interest. So my only conclusion is that the comments that are coming from these very experienced people are simply filibustering. Thank you.
Robertson H V Ross: State Sector and Public Finance Reform Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeRobertson H V Ross: State Sector and Public Finance Reform Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 02 July 2013. Volume:691;Page:11675. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson): I call the Hon Philip Goff.
Robertson H V Ross: State Sector and Public Finance Reform Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeRobertson H V Ross: State Sector and Public Finance Reform Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 02 July 2013. Volume:691;Page:11671. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson): Front bench.Dr Rajen Prasad: I was first.The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson): It is not a race. I call the honourable member Jacinda Ardern.
Robertson H V Ross: State Sector and Public Finance Reform Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeRobertson H V Ross: State Sector and Public Finance Reform Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 02 July 2013. Volume:691;Page:11666. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson): I advise members that the debate on this part also includes the schedules 3B through to 4.
Vote: State Sector and Public Finance Reform Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeVote: State Sector and Public Finance Reform Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 02 July 2013. Volume:691;Page:11666. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]A party vote was called for on the questionThat Part 2 as amended be agreed toAyes95New Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 33; ACT New Zealand 1; Independents: Dunne Horan.Noes24Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Māori Party 2; Mana 1.Part 2 as amended agreed to.
Points of Order — Business Statement—Delivery During UrgencyText is incorporated into the Bound VolumePoints of Order — Business Statement—Delivery During Urgency[Sitting date: 02 July 2013. Volume:691;Page:11716. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Points of OrderBusiness Statement—Delivery During UrgencyHon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South):I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I just wonder whether notwithstanding the fact that we are in urgency the Leader of the House might like to share with the House his plans for next week which is the normal practice.
Motions — United Nations Security Council—New Zealand’s CandidatureText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMotions — United Nations Security Council—New Zealand’s Candidature[Sitting date: 02 July 2013. Volume:691;Page:11716. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]MotionsUnited Nations Security Council—New Zealand’s CandidatureH V ROSS ROBERTSON (Labour—Manukau East):I seek leave for a non-debatable notice of motion No. 14 in my name supporting New Zealand’s bid for a non-permanent seat on the UN Security Council.Mr SPEAKER: Leave is sought for that course of action. Is there any objection? There appears to be none.H V ROSS ROBERTSON: I moveThat this House support New Zealand’s candidature for a non-permanent seat on the United Nations Security Council for the 2015-2016 term and note the important contribution made by New Zealand in its last term on the Council in 1993-1994; and express the determination that New Zealand will again be a distinctive independent principled voice on the Council and will bring to that Council the qualities for which it is known at the United Nations namely those of a small diverse country which listens to others and is a fair-minded and reliable partner in world affairs .Motion agreed to.
Tirikatene Rino: State Sector and Public Finance Reform Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeTirikatene Rino: State Sector and Public Finance Reform Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 02 July 2013. Volume:691;Page:11663. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]RINO TIRIKATENE (Labour—Te Tai Tonga):Tēnā koe Mr Chair. It is a pleasure to speak at this Committee stage on Part 2 of the State Sector and Public Finance Reform Bill. I would like to start with a verse from a rap from Vincent Price: “Darkness falls across the land. The midnight hour is close at hand.” You might know the rest Mr Bennett. But maybe not; maybe he was not into Michael Jackson. Maybe he might know another one. But the midnight hour is close at hand. I shall make my contribution on Part 2 because this is a very important piece of legislation.The Public Finance Act is a key piece of legislation that governs the use of public financial resources. It provides the framework by which Parliament gives its authorisation and scrutiny of Government expenditure. It establishes the lines of responsibility for effective and efficient management of the use of public financial resources and it does many other things. It is a very core piece of legislation governing the use of public resources.I want to pick up from my colleague the Hon Maryan Street regarding her comments around multi-category appropriations. They are commendable because anyone who has spent a bit of time or worked within Government departments or agencies knows that they are very much patch protectors. They very much sort of keep to themselves. They very much like to spend their money or try to get the money spent by the end of the financial year and there are not necessarily those sorts of close relationships with other departments particularly when there is a common outcome that they should be working towards. So it is commendable that there are now provisions provided for in this bill that there be multi-category appropriations which are across multiple categories to allow different types of expenditure to be grouped into a single appropriation. That is a very laudable aim.The bill also makes it clear that other departments as well as the one administering an appropriation can incur expenses against the appropriation. We see that a lot in the Ministry of Māori Development appropriation. There are a multitude of different agencies and Government entities and all sorts that are involved in Māori affairs as my colleague touched on with the Whānau Ora situation. We could rattle off a whole host of other organisations that are involved with Te Puni Kōkiri Māori affairs or contracts between various agencies or Crown entities to provide outcomes. So there is a whole multitude of different relationships that they have and it is important that they get better structure and more financial discipline around the way that they conduct their affairs and that they also report on their outcomes. So those are very commendable aims in Part 2.The bill is also allowing the annual reports of Government to be presented together.Debate interrupted.
Tisch Lindsay: State Sector and Public Finance Reform Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeTisch Lindsay: State Sector and Public Finance Reform Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 02 July 2013. Volume:691;Page:11633. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch): The debate on this part includes schedules 1A to 3A.
Vote: State Sector and Public Finance Reform Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeVote: State Sector and Public Finance Reform Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 02 July 2013. Volume:691;Page:11632. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]A party vote was called for on the questionThat the amendments be agreed to.Ayes50New Zealand Labour 33; Green Party 13; Māori Party 2; Mana 1; Independent: Horan.Noes68New Zealand National 59; New Zealand First 7; ACT New Zealand 1; Independent: Dunne.Amendments not agreed to.The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 265 in the name of Denise Roche to Part 1 be agreed to.
Robertson H V Ross: State Sector and Public Finance Reform Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeRobertson H V Ross: State Sector and Public Finance Reform Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 02 July 2013. Volume:691;Page:11626. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson): [Interruption ] Oh gee. What am I bid? I call the honourable member Jacinda Ardern. Sorry guys.
Robertson H V Ross: State Sector and Public Finance Reform Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeRobertson H V Ross: State Sector and Public Finance Reform Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 02 July 2013. Volume:691;Page:11622. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson): I call the honourable member the Hon Trevor Mallard.
Goldsmith Paul: State Sector and Public Finance Reform Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeGoldsmith Paul: State Sector and Public Finance Reform Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 02 July 2013. Volume:691;Page:11601. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]PAUL GOLDSMITH (National):I rise to take a call on the State Sector and Public Finance Reform Bill. I just wanted to pick up on a couple of things. I want to pay tribute to the previous chair of the Finance and Expenditure Committee Todd McClay who shepherded this piece of legislation through the committee stage—Hon David Parker: Through the Committee stage? Through the select committee?PAUL GOLDSMITH: —through the select committee stage with the full cooperation and good work of the members on both sides of the House in particular David Cunliffe who was very thorough and detailed in his examination of the particular issues and in fact was indefatigable in the way that he worked through the issues.I think we have landed in a good space here looking at the amendments suggested here in Part 1 relating to the purpose of the State Sector Act and the definition ofministerial staff and the independence of chief executives. We have made some amendments concerning their ability to delegate functions of powers. There are amendments relating to the restriction of redundancy payments which has been discussed at length on the other side of the Chamber. Finally there is a part that makes further recommendations in relation to the protection from liability for Public Service chief executive employees. We had a lot of debate about that issue in relation to whether indemnity was a better approach. The Law Commission was strong in its views on that but I think that after due consideration we have come down on the right side of that argument. All in all this piece of legislation is part of the broader Government approach in terms of delivering better public services to New Zealanders.I do think we have to pay tribute to the Public Service generally in this country. We have had 5 years now where there have been relatively few increases in terms of resources. It has been tight. It has been a tough period when the Public Service in general has been asked to deliver productivity gains and less with more as every other business in the country has been dealing with. We do have to pay tribute to the work that aspects of the Public Service have done in many different parts. This bill is about trying to give better tools to the leaders in the public sector so that they can have some clarity around what they do and so that they can work together more effectively. On that basis I recommend this bill to the Committee.
Tisch Lindsay: State Sector and Public Finance Reform Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeTisch Lindsay: State Sector and Public Finance Reform Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 02 July 2013. Volume:691;Page:11599. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch): You can have only two consecutive calls unless some other member takes a call and I see Dr David Clark is anxious to take a call.
Vote: Legal Assistance Amendment Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeVote: Legal Assistance Amendment Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 02 July 2013. Volume:691;Page:11596. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]A party vote was called for on the questionThat clause 2 be agreed to.Ayes61New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; Independent: Dunne.Noes58New Zealand Labour 33; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Māori Party 2; Mana 1; Independent: Horan.Clause 2 agreed to.The Committee divided the bill into the Legal Services Amendment Bill the Accident Compensation Amendment Bill the Care of Children Amendment Bill the Child Support Amendment Bill (No 2) the Family Proceedings Amendment Bill and the Property (Relationships) Amendment Billpursuant to Supplementary Order Paper 251.Bill to be reported with amendment presently.
Vote: Legal Assistance Amendment Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeVote: Legal Assistance Amendment Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 02 July 2013. Volume:691;Page:11596. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]A party vote was called for on the questionThat clause 1 be agreed to.Ayes61New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; Independent: Dunne.Noes58New Zealand Labour 33; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Māori Party 2; Mana 1; Independent: Horan.Clause 1 agreed to.
Vote: Legal Assistance Amendment Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeVote: Legal Assistance Amendment Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 02 July 2013. Volume:691;Page:11589. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]A party vote was called for on the questionThat Part 2 be agreed to.Ayes61New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; Independent: Dunne.Noes58New Zealand Labour 33; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Māori Party 2; Mana 1; Independent: Horan.Part 2 agreed to.
Tisch Lindsay: Psychoactive Substances Bill — Second ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeTisch Lindsay: Psychoactive Substances Bill — Second Reading[Sitting date: 02 July 2013. Volume:691;Page:11576. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch): The member’s time has expired. I understand that the next call is a split call.
Tisch Lindsay: Psychoactive Substances Bill — Second ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeTisch Lindsay: Psychoactive Substances Bill — Second Reading[Sitting date: 02 July 2013. Volume:691;Page:11575. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch): Sorry to interrupt the honourable member.
Vote: Family Court Proceedings Reform Bill — Second ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeVote: Family Court Proceedings Reform Bill — Second Reading[Sitting date: 02 July 2013. Volume:691;Page:11570. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]A party vote was called for on the questionThat the Family Court Proceedings Reform Bill be now read a second time.Ayes61New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; Independent: Dunne.Noes58New Zealand Labour 33; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Māori Party 2; Mana 1; Independent: Horan.Bill read a second time.