Mahuta Nanaia: Oral Questions — Questions to MinistersText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMahuta Nanaia: Oral Questions — Questions to Ministers[Sitting date: 04 December 2014. Volume:702;Page:1153. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]11.Hon NANAIA MAHUTA (Labour—Hauraki-Waikato)to the Minister for Māori Development: What concerns regarding the Māori Language (Te Reo Māori) Bill have led to the announcement that a Māori Language Advisory Group is required to provide independent advice to him while the bill is being considered by the Māori Affairs Committee?Hon TE URUROA FLAVELL (Minister for Māori Development):Tēnā koe Mr Speaker kia ora tātau katoa tēnā koe i tēnā pātai kai te tuahine. Tēnā ēhara i te mea he nui ngā āwangawanga. Ko tāku he whakakao mai i tētahi rōpū whai pūkenga whai mōhiotanga ki te ruku mai i te hōhonutanga o tērā pire me tōna whakatinanatanga. Ko tāna mahi he whakahoki kōrero mai ki a au kia taea e au te whakatikatika ētahi o ngā hapa i kōrerohia i te tau kua hipa. Ko te mahi o Te Komiti Whāiti Māori nei he whai i tērā huarahi o Te Whare Pāremata. Ko tāku rōpūi ka hāngai tana kōrero ki a au.[Thank you Mr Speaker. Greetings to us all and thank you for that question sister colleague.Now there really is not much to be concerned about. My part is to gather together a group of knowledgable experts to delve into the depth and implementation of that bill. It will report directly to me so that I can rectify some of the errors that were raised last year. The role of this Māori Affairs Committee is to follow that Parliamentary procedure. My group reports to me directly.]Hon Nanaia Mahuta: In light of that response what scope will the advisory group have to change the policy intent for the bill and if this is the intention why does the Minister not just pull the bill?Hon TE URUROA FLAVELL: Ko ngā mātāpono o te pire nei kua kōhatu. Kua noho tonu tērā huarahi kua mārō tana haere. Arā anō ētahi mea ka whai mai ētahi o ngā mea i kōrerohia e ētahi i te wā o te pānuitanga tuatahi o te pire. Ko te mahi o tēnei rōpū he āta ruku he whakatuwhera i te kuaha āta ruku i te hōhonutanga o ērā nawe o ērā āwangawanga me te whakatikatika i mua i te hokinga ki Te Whare i te mea kai te mōhio tonu ahau ko tēnei pire ēhara mō tēnei wā tonu nei ēngari mō ngā tau tekau rua tekau kai mua i te aroaro.[The principles of this bill are firmly in place. That procedure will remain and is firmly on its way. There are other aspects to follow some of which were referred to at times by some members during the first reading of the bill. The job of this group is to delve carefully andopen the door to the depths of those imperfections and concerns and to amend them before it comes back before the House as I am fully aware that this bill is not just for now but for the 10 or 20 years ahead.]Hon Nanaia Mahuta: Therefore does he believe that the proposed representation of Te Mātāwai between iwi Māori language experts and educators is fairly balanced to achieve effective outcomes in language revitalisation; if not why not?Hon TE URUROA FLAVELL: Tērā pea koinā tētahi o ngā pātai ka whakatakotohia ki mua i te aro o tēnei rōpū. Mā rātau anō rā tērā e whakautu e whakahoki kōrero mai ki a au kia āta tirohia ā tērā wā.[Perhaps that is exactly one of the questions that will be placed before this group to address. They will respond to that one and report back to me and I will examine it carefully at that point in time.]Peeni Henare: Tēnā koe e te Minita. How does he expect submitters through the select committee process to give their views on the bill when his separate advisory group could substantially change policy settings without any public input into his separate process?Hon TE URUROA FLAVELL: Tēnā koe i tērā pātai. Me kī kua tae kē mai te pire ki roto i Te Whare Pāremata i tana pānuitanga tuatahi. Kua mārō tana titiro kua mārō tana haere. Ko te wāhi ki a rātau te hunga e hiahia ana ki te tuku kōrero mai kai te pai te mea ka riro mā koutou ērā e wetewete. Ko te āhuatanga o tēnei rōpū pakupaku nei ko te āta tīhaehae i ērā kōrero. Ko te tūmanako ia kia hoki mai ki te pānuitanga tuarua ka āta whakapanonihia kia tika rā anō te pire mō ake nei.[Thank you in regard to that query. Let us assume that the bill has arrived in the House for its first reading. It has been examined intently and is firmly on its way. For those wanting to make submissions that is fine because it then becomes your task to unravel those ones. The situation as far as this small group is concerned is that they then carefully take the submissions apart. The real desire is that when it comes back for the second reading it is amended carefully until the bill is right forever.]Hon Nanaia Mahuta: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. That last supplementary question was quite specific. There was a lack of clarity with regard to how public input will be made into the separate process that has been commenced by the Minister.Mr SPEAKER: I think the member is making a reasonable point. I am going to ask Mr Henare to ask the question again for answering by the Minister.Peeni Henare: Ki a koe anō e te Minita how does he expect submitters through the select committee process to give their views on the bill when his separate advisory group could substantially change policy settings without any public input into his separate process?Hon TE URUROA FLAVELL: Tuatahi ko ngā kōrero ka puta i tēnā ki tēnā ka tae mai ki roto i Te Whare Pāremata nā runga i ngā kōrero ki Te Komiti Whāiti. I tōna mutunga mai ko ngā kōrero katoa ka whai mai ka tae mai ki roto i tēnei Whare Pāremata kia taea ai e ia e koutou e tātau te whakatikatika ki te tirohanga o Te Whare Pāremata hei taua wā.[First of all the contributions made by this one and that one come into the House through the submissions to the Māori Affairs Committee. All subsequent submissions that follow will eventually arrive in this House of Parliament so that we collectively and the House can amend them according to the view of the House at that point in time.]Hon Nanaia Mahuta: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I accept the Minister’s clarity around the role of the select committee in this process. However the supplementary question was very specific with regard to the separate process that the Minister has engaged in.Mr SPEAKER: I accept that but we have now had two goes at it. The member may not be satisfied with the answer. The Minister in my opinion has addressed it I accept not to the satisfaction of the member on this occasion but after two goes I can do no more.