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Turner Judy: Misuse of Drugs Amendment Bill (No 3) — In Committee Third Reading 
Turner Judy: Misuse of Drugs Amendment Bill (No 3) — In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:626;Page:21513] 
JUDY TURNER (Deputy Leader—United Future) 
: 
 I shall take a brief call on the first two clauses of this Misuse of Drugs Amendment Bill (No 3). 
First I shall make a quick reference to the needle exchange business. The police shared their concern that if we removed the full ability for needles to be used evidentially that could encourage needle use over other methods of consumption—that needle use would then become a preferred method because of the legal sanction around it. That was a real concern that some of us shared. 
I want to talk about the title of the bill. What comes to mind is what has been mentioned many times in the Chamber this morning and that is that many of us—and we included it in the commentary on this bill—want to see ongoing work done to set up a restricted substances Act for legal psychoactive substances. I want to take a minute to challenge every party. 
I shall start with National and Labour the two parties that are going into this election campaign with the belief that they can viably be the Government after the election. My challenge to them is whether they are prepared to promise us today in the Chamber that they will continue the work which I understand could take up to 2 years. Will those parties give us a guarantee that if they become the Government they will treat that work as a priority so that a restricted substances Act is established? It requires the will of the Government and I believe that those parties should make that commitment today. 
But beyond that I ask this question of the other parties whose goal is to be a support party after the election and who seek to wield some power in terms of the conditions they put down to the party they are supporting: will they give the same undertaking that after the election they will set as a priority with whichever party they are working with—if they get that opportunity—the advancing of this much-needed work so that a restricted substances Act is put in place? I ask that question of New Zealand First the Greens and ACT. Will they make a commitment and guarantee us today that they would see that as a priority and that it would be part of any agreement they made if they got the chance to make an agreement? I think every party needs to put itself on the line in that regard. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 377 in the name of the Hon Jim Anderton to clause 1 be agreed to. 
Amendment agreed to and clause 1 as amended agreed to.
Vote: Films Videos and Publications Classification  Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Films Videos and Publications Classification  Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:623;Page:18654] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That clause 1 be agreed to 
. 
Ayes 110 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand National 26; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2; Maori Party 1. 
Noes 9 
ACT New Zealand 9. 
Clause 1 agreed to.
Carter David: Third Readings 
Carter David: Third Readings 
[Volume:607;Page:4339] 
Hon DAVID CARTER (NZ National) 
: 
 In closing I say that it will be a very sad day when this Parliament passes into our tax system a special tax rate based on race. I repeat the comments made by United Future’s spokesperson Gordon Copeland who said in the Committee stage on this legislation that Maori deserved a preferential tax treatment because “They were here first.” In the next election campaign I guarantee that I will make sure that my constituents know that that is the basis of United Future’s decision on this tax rate for Maori.
Hodgson Pete: Crown Minerals Amendment Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Hodgson Pete: Crown Minerals Amendment Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:610;Page:7616] 
Hon PETE HODGSON (Minister for Crown Research Institutes) 
: 
 I move  
That it be an instruction to the Committee of the whole House on the Crown Minerals Amendment Bill that it take the bill part by part and consider any schedules as one question 
. 
Motion agreed to.
Vote: Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims Bill — In Committee Procedure Third Reading 
Vote: Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims Bill — In Committee Procedure Third Reading 
[Volume:626;Page:20992] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment to the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 57 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 9; United Future 8. 
Noes 62 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; Progressive 2. 
Amendment to the amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Marc Alexander to the amendment to clause 16(1) set out on Supplementary Order Paper 374 in the name of the Hon Phil Goff be agreed to: 
to omit from proposed paragraphs (a) and (b) the words “1 July 2007” and substitute the words “2 July 2007”.
Cosgrove Clayton: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Cosgrove Clayton: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
[Volume:614;Page:10357] 
4.  
CLAYTON COSGROVE (Labour—Waimakariri) 
 to the  
Minister of Education 
: What steps have been taken to ensure that the results of National Certificate of Educational Achievement internally assessed standards are available to students? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Minister of Education) 
: 
 This year we have made access to internally assessed National Certificate of Educational Achievement results available online for the first time. This is designed to make student achievement more open and transparent for students parents and teachers. It is proving very popular with more than 10000 level 1 and level 2 candidates checking results in the first weekend alone. 
Clayton Cosgrove 
: Could he outline the advantages of making internally assessed National Certificate of Educational Achievement results available online? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: Students can check their results if they think there is a problem with them. If something has been missed out or there is an incorrect result they can contact their schools and get it fixed up before the results are made available in January—a very good system.
Franks Stephen: Relationships (Statutory References) Bill — Second Reading 
Franks Stephen: Relationships (Statutory References) Bill — Second Reading 
[Volume:624;Page:18980] 
STEPHEN FRANKS (ACT) 
: 
 If you would like a little time to consider that point I am perfectly happy to allow both Dr Nick Smith and the United Future member to speak before me. I understand that the United Future member has another commitment and I would be interested to hear Dr Smith’s address. If that assists you to take the time to consider his request I am perfectly happy with that. 
Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: In the end the matter of how I call members is at my discretion but if the member wishes to follow that course I will invite members to call.
Appropriation (2003/04 Supplementary Estimates) Bill — Procedure 
Appropriation (2003/04 Supplementary Estimates) Bill — Procedure 
[Volume:617;Page:13385] 
Thursday 27 May 2004 
Mr Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Prayers 
. 
Appropriation (2003/04 Supplementary Estimates) Bill 
Procedure 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Minister of Finance) 
: 
 I hereby present the Supplementary Estimates of Appropriations for the Government of New Zealand for the year ending 30 June 2004. I move  
That this paper be published 
. 
Motion agreed to.
Cullen Michael: Business of the House 
Cullen Michael: Business of the House 
[Volume:625;Page:20495] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. This is a non-debatable motion of course but I wonder whether the member could perhaps give us a brief minute of explanation as to why this should happen given that this bill was New Zealand First’s policy at the last election. The bill has been on the Order Paper for weeks. The member is here but suddenly he is not ready to proceed with the bill. It is a little bit baffling to those on this side of the House that after all this time—three fingers in the air and this is one of them—the member cannot proceed with the bill.
Mallard Trevor: General Debates 
Mallard Trevor: General Debates 
[Volume:609;Page:6572] 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Minister of Education) 
: 
 I think we should get absolutely clear what I did say. I did not repeat the comments after they were withdrawn. They were repeated several times before that but not subsequently. 
Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Yes I know what the member is saying. I think to clarify the matter it would be better if the member stood and withdrew and apologised if he continued with those remarks. 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: I did not subsequent to the withdrawal. 
Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: I realise the member did not comment subsequently. However the words were repeated several times and that is what the member has taken offence to. So I ask the member to withdraw and apologise.
Vote: New Zealand Symphony Orchestra Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
Vote: New Zealand Symphony Orchestra Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:616;Page:12328] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That clause 1 be agreed to. 
Ayes 84 
New Zealand Labour 52; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 35 
New Zealand National 26; ACT New Zealand 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Clause 1 agreed to.
Cullen Michael: Care of Children Bill — Instruction to Committee Procedure In Committee 
Cullen Michael: Care of Children Bill — Instruction to Committee Procedure In Committee 
[Volume:621;Page:16627] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I move  
That it be an instruction to the Committee of the whole House on the Care of Children Bill that it take the bill part by part.
Simich Clem: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Procedure Referral to Health Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled  Speaker Recalled In Committee Procedure 
Simich Clem: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Procedure Referral to Health Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled  Speaker Recalled In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:613;Page:9973] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich) 
: The amendment to clause 6A in the name of Larry Baldock is ruled out of order because it is outside the scope of the bill.
Dunne Peter: Visiting Forces Bill — In Committee 
Dunne Peter: Visiting Forces Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:618;Page:13750] 
Hon PETER DUNNE (Leader—United Future) 
: 
 I want to take a brief call on Part 1 partly in response to the comments the previous speaker has made. This bill on the face of it is relatively straightforward legislation. It has been promoted as an amendment to replace the Visiting Forces Act of 1939 and to update law and practice regarding visiting forces coming to New Zealand. It is very difficult to argue against that. I think it is true that although all parties as far as I am aware will be supporting this measure there are some issues that the member has alluded to that will take maybe a little bit of time as we move through. I do not say that in any sinister sense but if I draw particular attention when we get to Part 2 to some of the provisions around clauses 12 to 14 they will be the issues that attract attention. 
In essence what this bill seeks to do is recognise the arrangements whereby forces that are for some period of time stationed in New Zealand are subject to the law and discipline of this country in respect of activities they take on outside the terms of their attachment. In that sense the bill is parallel to some of the legislation we have been passing recently dealing with cases where New Zealand forces have been deployed overseas. It is a normal practice. It is good to see the concept we have of status of forces agreements which are concluded on a case by case basis with visiting forces now being given in effect some form of regularity by this bill. It is updating legislation that is over 60 years old so it is very timely in that regard. 
But I do draw to members’ attention—not that there are problems or massive difficulties or even divisions over the clauses I referred to in Part 2—that there were provisions that exercised the select committee’s mind quite intently and they are ones that need to have issues around them teased out rather thoroughly. Because it is one of those cases I think where we all know the end point we want to end up at—it is a matter of how we get there. We do not want to see people who are in New Zealand who commit crimes in New Zealand inadvertently placed in situations whereby they might be subject to a higher penalty in another country—particularly the death penalty—nor do we want to see a situation where they slip through the cracks and escape any potential penalty. So those provisions are very critical in the bill and as the previous speaker has said and I concur with him when we get to Part 2 they will be ones I suspect that the Committee will want to debate in some detail. 
Part 1 agreed to.
Brownlee Gerry: Business Statement 
Brownlee Gerry: Business Statement 
[Volume:423;Page:18525] 
GERRY BROWNLEE (Deputy Leader—National) 
: 
 Noticing that the Government clearly wants to get the Ngati Awa Claims Settlement Bill dealt with by the end of certainly the next session of Parliament can we expect that there will be no urgency next week?
Mackey Moana: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Mackey Moana: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:618;Page:13855] 
12.  
MOANA MACKEY (Labour) 
 to the  
Minister of Tourism 
: Has he received any reports on marketing New Zealand as a cultural tourism destination? 
Hon DOVER SAMUELS (Associate Minister of Tourism) 
 on behalf of the 
 Minister of Tourism 
: Last month  
The Rough Guide to Maori New Zealand  
was launched. It is a wonderful way of showing our visitors the diversity of the cultural experience available in New Zealand and in particular of informing them about our unique Maori culture. There have been 165000 copies delivered through the  
Daily Telegraph 
 in the United Kingdom. The Government Tourism New Zealand Rough Guides the National Maori Tourism Network Air New Zealand and Tailor Made Travel UK have worked together to prepare and fund  
The Rough Guide to Maori New Zealand 
. I wish to congratulate all those parties involved in this exciting and very interesting publication. 
I suggest that many members of this House could very well benefit from reading it. The Minister of Tourism and I will ensure that every member of this House receives a copy of this excellent and informative publication. 
Moana Mackey 
: What other initiatives has the Government taken to enhance cultural tourism? 
Hon DOVER SAMUELS 
: A highly successful round of hui was held recently by me to canvass the issues facing Maori tourism operators. These hui have been invaluable in strengthening a cooperative working relationship between Maori tourism operators and the Government as well as providing first-hand information and input into our policy initiatives. As the Maori tourism sector grows in strength both the tourism industry as a whole and the New Zealand economy will reap the benefits. Kia ora tatou katoa. 
I seek leave to table the publication  
The Rough Guide to Maori New Zealand: Discover the Land and the People of Aotearoa 
. I would suggest if members on the other side want any more copies they give me a call. 
Document by leave laid on the Table of the House.
Cullen Michael: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Cullen Michael: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:423;Page:18529] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I did notice that it was actually Mr Prebble but I am sure that he has not been a member of the Labour Party for some time.
Brash Don: Motions — New Zealand Black Sox  
Brash Don: Motions — New Zealand Black Sox  
[Volume:615;Page:10781] 
Dr DON BRASH (Leader of the Opposition) 
: 
 These motions are I think an excellent idea. Both the Black Sox and the sevens team were a great credit to our country.
Cosgrove Clayton: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Cosgrove Clayton: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:624;Page:19155] 
7. Hon MARK GOSCHE (Labour—Maungakiekie) 
 on behalf of  
CLAYTON COSGROVE (Labour—Waimakariri) 
 
 to the  
Minister of Finance 
: What reports has he received about the incidence of tax in New Zealand and what do they show? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Minister of Finance) 
: 
 I have received an OECD report showing the single New Zealand production worker on the average full-time wage is the third-lowest taxed in the OECD. The single-income two-child family on the same wage is at present the tenth-lowest taxed in the OECD. 
Hon Mark Gosche 
: What impact will the Working for Families package have on those rankings? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN 
: The Inland Revenue Department calculates that Working for Families will on the basis of current entitlements in other countries reduce the tax wedge paid by the single-income two-child family from tenth-lowest in the OECD to fourth-lowest behind only Ireland Luxembourg and Iceland. The great advantage of Working for Families over a straight tax cut is that it reflects the different needs of households in the cost of raising children. 
John Key 
: If the Minister is correct and we are to believe that the incidence of tax in New Zealand is low can he tell the House why the Government has all of a sudden changed the way in which it presents its monthly Crown accounts to ensure that the bulging Government surplus is hidden as far from sight as possible? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN 
: It does not take a giant intellect to read all the way through the Crown financial statements which appear each month. What has happened is that Opposition parties have been caught out by pretending that the operating surplus is cash. If that member had tried to do that when he was in the international financial community he would not be sitting here; he would be behind bars.
Vote: Customs and Excise (Motor Spirits) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Customs and Excise (Motor Spirits) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:623;Page:18605] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 1 be agreed to. 
Ayes 71 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2; Maori Party 1. 
Noes 49 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 9. 
Part 1 agreed to.
Peters Winston: Points of Order — Question No. 7 to Minister 18 November  Question No. 6 to Minister 18 November National Party Leadership—Special Debate 
Peters Winston: Points of Order — Question No. 7 to Minister 18 November  Question No. 6 to Minister 18 November National Party Leadership—Special Debate 
[Volume:613;Page:10138] 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First) 
: 
I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. It seems that we are coming to question time. I seek leave that at the end of this question time we have a 1½-hour special debate on the issue of the recent changes in the National Party leadership as numerous as they have become.  
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought for that debate to occur. Is there any objection? There is objection.
Jones Dail: Supreme Court Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Jones Dail: Supreme Court Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:612;Page:8988] 
DAIL JONES (NZ First) 
: 
 The phrase has not been ruled out of order. 
Jill Pettis 
: Yes it has. 
DAIL JONES 
: If the member wants to speak while I am speaking to the point of order she might be in trouble. The word “dwarf” has been ruled out of order not the phrase “Snow White and the seven dwarfs”. This is Parliament. We have a democratic system the Westminster system which has free speech. Are we to be told by you Madam Chair not only that we are to have the Privy Council removed but that free speech during this debate will go as well? It is a very simple apt description of the seven Maori members of the Labour Party. Their attitude is that of dwarfs and their leader may be called “Snow White”. It is a very appropriate summation of how the Maori people are being served by their seven dwarfs.
Cullen Michael: Business Statement 
Cullen Michael: Business Statement 
[Volume:614;Page:10437] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 Next week in the House priority will be given to the completion of the passage of the Holidays Bill and the Families Commission Bill. There will be the first readings of a number of bills including the Resource Management (Aquaculture Moratorium Extension) Amendment Bill; the State Sector Amendment Bill (No 3); the Resource Management (Waitaki Catchment) Amendment Bill; the Employment Relations Law Reform Bill and other first readings on the Order Paper.
Cullen Michael: Business of Select Committees 
Cullen Michael: Business of Select Committees 
[Volume:608;Page:5163] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I seek leave for the Primary Production Committee to meet outside the Wellington area during the sitting of the House on Thursday 8 May 2003. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Is there any objection to that course being followed? There appears to be none.
McNair Craig: Television New Zealand Bill — In Committee 
McNair Craig: Television New Zealand Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:606;Page:3826] 
CRAIG McNAIR (NZ First) 
: 
 It has been very interesting to partake in this debate. In speaking to Part 5 Katherine Rich took the words right out of my mouth when she talked about this being the miscellaneous part of the bill; obviously everything that could not fit into the other parts has been thrown into Part 5. 
She also made a very good point when she talked about as far as equal employment opportunities are concerned the aims and aspirations of Maori the employment requirements of Maori and the need for greater involvement of Maori as employees of the employer operating the policy. The bill goes on to talk about other parts of society such as opportunities for the enhancement of the abilities of individual employees and recognition—and it goes on and on. Katherine Rich made a very interesting and very good point which basically underpinned what I was saying when I spoke earlier in this debate. It is very important that we realise that this bill is trying to be all things to all people. That is the problem with it. 
We all laughed and I must admit I had a bit of a chuckle myself when Deborah Coddington talked about the personal development of people. She also talked about the sexual development of people. I must admit that I did laugh because it was quite funny and she was quite amusing. But at the end of the day she had an interesting point. The bill is too expansive. It is trying to be all things to all people. That is really what we are talking about. 
Mr Carter a National MP had a very interesting point as well: is there any reason to pass this legislation? We all know that basically under this set-up a Government will be able to flog off to sell off part of this business. That is a concern to New Zealand First. One of the 15 fundamental founding principles of New Zealand First is to make sure that New Zealand assets stay in the hands of New Zealanders. We can see this business getting into the hands of a party that does not have those philosophies and does not have the best interests of New Zealanders at heart and it will just flog it off. In New Zealand First we are very concerned about that issue. 
At the end of the day we have a bill that is far too politically correct for it to be of use. In one of my earlier speeches I mentioned that this is the exact same wording that is used in the State Sector Act. This is the same kind of stuff that we saw when I was a young lad in the David Lange years—that is the same politically correct mumbo-jumbo as my leader would say. This is one of the many reasons that New Zealand First asks whether there is any need to pass legislation such as this. Katherine Rich over in National agrees with me and I am glad that she does. That is exactly what parties like New Zealand First and members like Katherine Rich are saying. We are saying that there is no need for this legislation to be passed. It is far too politically correct. It enables the flogging off of parts of this business in the future.
Benson-Pope David: Immigration Amendment Bill (No 2) — Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
Benson-Pope David: Immigration Amendment Bill (No 2) — Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:609;Page:6802] 
DAVID BENSON-POPE (Senior Whip—NZ Labour) 
: I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Franks Stephen: Points of Order — Parliamentary Accountability—Ministerial Statements 
Franks Stephen: Points of Order — Parliamentary Accountability—Ministerial Statements 
[Volume:627;Page:21917] 
STEPHEN FRANKS (ACT) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. I ask you whether you would take time to review that ruling. Simply noting that it is weakened and relying on what is now a 4-year-old convention may be something that you would care to revisit as a new Speaker bearing in mind the fact that when things start to weaken what might have been unfortunate and infrequent can become normal. I invite you to come back to us on that in 4 weeks’ time having considered it in detail.
Yates Dianne: Terrorism Suppression Amendment Bill (No 2) — In Committee Third Reading 
Yates Dianne: Terrorism Suppression Amendment Bill (No 2) — In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:626;Page:21665] 
DIANNE YATES (Labour—Hamilton East) 
: 
 This bill is necessary to update the principal Act of 2002 in two important respects. Firstly it ensures that the designations of terrorist entities under that Act do not expire. That would have placed New Zealand in violation of the United Nations Security Council resolution. Secondly the bill brings our law into more complete compliance with the requirements of the Security Council and the Financial Action Task Force on Money Laundering to criminalise those who provide financial support to terrorist organisations. I support the passage of the bill.
Vote: Parole (Extended Supervision) and Sentencing Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Parole (Extended Supervision) and Sentencing Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:618;Page:14167] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 57 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Noes 62 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 228 in the name of Stephen Franks to insert new clause 6B be agreed to.
Rich Katherine: Children’s Commissioner Bill — In Committee 
Rich Katherine: Children’s Commissioner Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:613;Page:9892] 
KATHERINE RICH (National) 
: 
 It is a pleasure to stand to speak to Part 1 of the Children’s Commissioner Bill. Basically Part 1 is the crux of the bill. It concerns the purpose of the bill and one of the purposes of this legislation is to continue the role of the Children’s Commissioner and to enhance and strengthen that role. One of the questions I have for the Minister in the chair is to ask why the Government has backed away from making the Children’s Commissioner an Officer of Parliament which was Labour Party election policy for the 1999 election. 
Hon Steve Maharey 
: No it wasn’t. 
KATHERINE RICH 
: It is very clearly in the policy in black and white. The Minister is shaking his head. But if one looks at the social welfare policy put out at that time one can see that it was very clearly indicated that the Labour Party’s intention was to make the Children’s Commissioner an Officer of Parliament. The aim was to strengthen the role of the Children’s Commissioner and to make sure that there could be no criticism or thought that the Children’s Commissioner could be manipulated by any other body. That was the reason behind it but now we have a very diluted version of that. Yes some of the roles have been strengthened but not to the point that the Labour Party originally intended. So I think the Minister should get to his feet and explain why particularly in the purposes of Part 1 that has not been done and give reasons why the Government has backed away from what was a very clearly communicated intention. 
The next important purpose requires the commissioner to have regard to the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child. It is important that that is now part of the Children’s Commissioner Bill so that the commissioner has express powers to ensure that that particular convention is promoted. 
One of the important changes we have seen in this bill is the change that allows the commissioner to give evidence in a court and gives the commissioner express powers to obtain information and documents for the purpose of investigation. I think tomorrow with the release of the Saliel Aplin and Olympia Jetson reports we will see a fine example of the commissioner using those powers to collect information to be able to put forward an explanation for some of the high-profile cases that bother this country. We saw the same sort of work done with the James Whakaruru report and I think tomorrow we will see an equally important piece of work and hopefully some explanation as to why those two girls were murdered. 
I suppose this part of the bill is quite straightforward in terms of the preliminary provisions. There really is not much in terms of detail but if one looks at the purposes one can see it does very clearly give a broad-brush view of the changes that will be made to the commissioner’s functions and the modifications that will be made in an attempt to strengthen the role.
Hunt Jonathan: Corrections Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Hunt Jonathan: Corrections Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:617;Page:13158] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: No I said that was what the Standing Orders Committee recommended. That is entirely the responsibility of the Chair not mine. 
Hon TONY RYALL 
: So when you indicated that the nine calls that the Chairperson accepted in this debate was generous in light of the undertaking that was given on the Tuesday night are you suggesting that in future debates on the title will be fewer than nine speakers as a rule?
Vote: Border Security Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Border Security Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:617;Page:13289] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 13 
New Zealand First 13. 
Noes 104 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand National 27; Green Party 9; ACT New Zealand 6; United Future 8; Progressive 2; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Peter Brown to clause 7B be agreed to: 
to add the following new section: 
34B Principles of cost recovery 
(1)In recommending the nature and level of fees and charges to be prescribed under section 34A in any particular case or class of cases of beneficiary or other matter the Minister as far as is reasonably practicable must have regard to the following criteria: 
(a)equity in that funding for a particular function power or service or a particular class of functions powers or services should generally and to the extent practicable be sourced from the beneficiaries of the relevant function power or service at a level proportionate with their benefit from the function power or service: 
(b)efficiency in that costs should generally be allocated and recovered in order to ensure that functions powers or service are delivered at minimum cost: 
(c)justifiability in that costs should be collected only to meet the reasonable costs (including indirect costs) for the provision or exercise of the relevant function power or service: 
(d)transparency in that costs should be identified and allocated as closely as practicable in relation to tangible service provision for the recovery period in which the service is provided.
Vote: Health Practitioners Competence Assurance Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Health Practitioners Competence Assurance Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:611;Page:8157] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 7; Green Party 9. 
Noes 60 
Labour 52; United Future 8. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 122 in the name of Pita Paraone to insert new subclauses (2B) (2C) and (2D) in clause 116 be agreed to.
Vote: Hazardous Substances and New Organisms (Transitional Provisions and Controls) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Vote: Hazardous Substances and New Organisms (Transitional Provisions and Controls) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:613;Page:10133] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the motion be agreed to 
. 
Ayes 60 
New Zealand Labour 52; United Future 8. 
Noes 56 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; ACT New Zealand 7. 
Motion agreed to.
Connell Brian: Resource Management (Waitaki Catchment) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Connell Brian: Resource Management (Waitaki Catchment) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:619;Page:15298] 
BRIAN CONNELL (National—Rakaia) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Chairperson. The area of New Zealand that is now under debate is an area that I represent. I have had only one call on this part and before you take the closure motion I think it is only fair in terms of the representation of the good people of Canterbury that I have the opportunity to take one more call. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: There will be other opportunities for the member to speak.
Brown Peter: Business of the House 
Brown Peter: Business of the House 
[Volume:625;Page:20474] 
PETER BROWN (Senior Whip—NZ First) 
: 
 A few moments ago I was given some very good advice by some of the whips who advised me that when I have a tricky issue it would be well worth talking to them. I am very grateful for that advice. I seek leave again for the Rt Hon Winston Peters’ member’s bill the Principles of the Treaty of Waitangi Deletion Bill to be deferred or postponed until the next members’ day.
Shirley Ken: Third Readings 
Shirley Ken: Third Readings 
[Volume:620;Page:16133] 
Hon KEN SHIRLEY (ACT) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. In view of the proximity of the dinner break I seek the leave of the House to adjourn a few minutes early so that we can start afresh on the new business at 7.30 p.m. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Clem Simich) 
: Leave has been sought for that course to be followed. Is there any objection? There is.
Hughes Darren: New Zealand Trade and Enterprise Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Hughes Darren: New Zealand Trade and Enterprise Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:609;Page:6320] 
DARREN HUGHES (NZ Labour—Otaki) 
: I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Vote: New Zealand Bill of Rights (Private Property Rights) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Vote: New Zealand Bill of Rights (Private Property Rights) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:625;Page:20509] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the New Zealand Bill of Rights (Private Property Rights) Amendment Bill be now read a first time. 
Ayes 111 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2; Maori Party 1. 
Noes 9 
Green Party 9. 
Bill read a first time. 
Bill referred to the Justice and Electoral Committee.referred to Justice and Electoral Committee
Vote: Human Assisted Reproductive Technology Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Vote: Human Assisted Reproductive Technology Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:620;Page:15913] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 1 as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 103 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand National 22; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; ACT New Zealand 2; United Future 3; Progressive 2; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Noes 17 
New Zealand National 5; ACT New Zealand 6; United Future 5; Maori Party 1. 
Part 1 as amended agreed to.
Hughes Darren: Building Bill — In Committee Procedure 
Hughes Darren: Building Bill — In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:619;Page:14824] 
DARREN HUGHES (Junior Whip—Labour) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Carter David: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Procedure Referral to Health Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled  Speaker Recalled In Committee Procedure 
Carter David: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Procedure Referral to Health Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled  Speaker Recalled In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:613;Page:10001] 
Hon DAVID CARTER (National) 
: 
 I seek leave for certainly myself to take one more call. I have taken a huge interest in this debate from the outset. I was out of Wellington until I returned around 6 o’clock this evening then I sat on a select committee until 9 o’clock. The moment that select committee concluded I rushed to the Chamber to take calls on this particular part. I have had but one call and on that occasion I addressed the issue around enforcement. I have a number of letters before me from people who have written to me expressing concern around packaging particularly with regard to cigar displays. I would like the opportunity of leave from the Committee to speak to that because I think it is an important part of this debate. Certainly whilst I have been here during the Committee stage this evening nobody has had the opportunity to address the important topic of point of sale.
Hunt Jonathan: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members Questions to Ministers 
Hunt Jonathan: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:615;Page:11504] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The Hon Bill English sought to table a document he was given leave and he tabled it. [ 
Interruption 
] I will not be interrupted while I am on my feet. I do not care who the person is. As far as I am concerned I accept that the member asked for the document to be tabled. He has tabled it and that is the end of the matter. There are other ways of dealing with this matter as the Minister well knows. 
Hon Trevor Mallard 
: We’re off to the Privileges Committee. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I now ask the Minister to leave the Chamber. I will not have any more interjections like that. 
Hon Trevor Mallard withdrew from the Chamber.
Mark Ron: General Debate 
Mark Ron: General Debate 
[Volume:620;Page:15684] 
RON MARK (NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I am fully aware that in this House members are honourable members. Their word must be accepted. It is not acceptable to say that they tell lies or porkies. But what recourse for redress is there for a member of Parliament when another member of the House goes to a Grey Power meeting and says something about that member that is patently obviously untrue and is outside this House considered by all who were there to be a lie? Is there any recourse for dealing with Mr Cosgrove for telling Grey Power things about me that are untrue? I know I cannot deal with it in this Chamber. I am looking for your advice as to how we might be able to deal with people who make such blatantly incorrect untrue statements outside the House as well.
Mahuta Nanaia: Maori Fisheries Bill — In Committee 
Mahuta Nanaia: Maori Fisheries Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:620;Page:15425] 
NANAIA MAHUTA (Labour—Tainui) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Barker Rick: Disabled Persons Employment Promotion (Repeal and Related Matters) Bill — First Reading 
Barker Rick: Disabled Persons Employment Promotion (Repeal and Related Matters) Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:617;Page:13381] 
Hon RICK BARKER (Minister for Courts) 
: 
 I support the bill.
Fairbrother Russell: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Fairbrother Russell: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
[Volume:620;Page:16177] 
10.  
RUSSELL FAIRBROTHER (Labour—Napier) 
 to the  
Minister of Customs 
: What has the Government done to facilitate New Zealand trade across the United States border? 
Hon RICK BARKER (Minister of Customs) 
: 
 This month a comprehensive supply-chain security arrangement between New Zealand and the United States customs authorities was announced by the Prime Minister. The US customs authorities are satisfied with the New Zealand Customs Service supply-chain security strategy which consists of goods risk assessment and non-invasive inspection technology. This means that New Zealand goods can leave through any New Zealand port not just one and expect rapid transit across US borders. 
Russell Fairbrother 
: How will New Zealand traders benefit from this new arrangement? 
Hon RICK BARKER 
: This arrangement means there will be quicker facilitation and greater certainty for New Zealand traders at the US borders at all times including times of heightened security because their goods will be seen as secure goods. Quicker facilitation means fewer inspections and costly delays by US customs and more certainty around delivery times.
Cullen Michael: Business of the House 
Cullen Michael: Business of the House 
[Volume:608;Page:5132] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I seek leave to take Government notices of motion Nos. 2 to 4 as one question pursuant to discussion in the Business Committee. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Is there any objection to that course being followed? There is not. Please move accordingly. Could I point out to the Leader of the House that if he cares to read them out I will put the question separately at the end of the debate.
Simich Clem: Ngati Awa Claims Settlement Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Simich Clem: Ngati Awa Claims Settlement Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:623;Page:18731] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich) 
: We were discussing the preamble and following from that we come to a translation to be given by John Tamihere.
Peters Jim: Prostitution Reform Bill — In Committee 
Peters Jim: Prostitution Reform Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:608;Page:5215] 
JIM PETERS (NZ First) 
: 
 It was not my original intention to speak in this debate but when I heard the deputy leader of New Zealand First range through the suggested amendments and envisaged changes to this legislation this afternoon—and knowing his intense interest in promoting a sound member’s bill—I went back and looked carefully at the bill. The reason that I stand is this: I have heard a number of eloquent and clear speeches given in advocacy for and against the bill but the one thing that stands out for me quite clearly has come about from my recent teaching background particularly in low-decile schools where I have pointed young people toward a career choice for life on the basis of a sound educational system. This may cause smiles among those on the Government side of the Chamber but I believe that this bill promotes prostitution as a desirable occupation. If I went back to the far north to Kaikohe and when my former students asked me whether I had voted for the bill to decriminalise prostitution I said yes I would be defying all my years spent as a teacher and a principal who has tried to achieve the very highest aims and achievements for students—both Maori and Pakeha. 
I endorse the stand taken by Peter Brown the deputy leader of New Zealand First and by my fellow caucus members. In conclusion I say that our caucus’ stand was not taken lightly; we have discussed these matters at length within our caucus. This is a carefully considered stand taken by party members from throughout the country but particularly by those from the Maori world who have an understanding of the issues that are before the Committee. 
I will digress for a minute to say that like Peter Brown I worked for some years as a “seagull” as a youngster and I saw those girls scurrying up the gangplank before it had even hit the deck and I heard all the derision calls and language that one could imagine that went with it. That was my first experience of this activity and I felt immensely sorry as I heard those seasoned wharfies call those girls—who were mainly Maori—all the names under the sun. That was the background almost 40 years ago and ever since then that whole activity has been one that I have deplored. 
There is a Christian background as well with regard to my personal attitude but that has not been influential here. It really comes back to young people who are looking ahead and to Maori students in particular—because I am talking about the far north—who are having to make choices and having to decide for themselves and their whanau as to where they will go in the future. This is not an occupation that I would desire for my daughter and I certainly would not desire it for anyone else’s daughter. I have heard in a range of speeches the various ways by which people drop into or become part of this activity but none of them meet the criteria for giving support to this bill.
Baldock Larry: Tabling of Documents — Doha Declaration on the Family 
Baldock Larry: Tabling of Documents — Doha Declaration on the Family 
[Volume:622;Page:17667] 
LARRY BALDOCK 
: I also seek leave of the House to table the text of the New Zealand delegate’s speech on the Doha declaration presented on December 6 at the 12United Nations. 
Document by leave laid on the Table of the House.
Prebble Richard: Business Statement 
Prebble Richard: Business Statement 
[Volume:610;Page:7291] 
Hon RICHARD PREBBLE (Leader—ACT NZ) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. Even if the National Party does not want to ask some questions about next week’s business I would like to do so. I would like to have an assurance from the Leader of the House that we will not have a bill presented to the House with regard to Mr Duynhoven before the Privileges Committee has considered the matter and reported back to the House.
O'Connor Damien: Veterinarians Bill — First Reading 
O'Connor Damien: Veterinarians Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:623;Page:18759] 
Hon DAMIEN O'CONNOR (Associate Minister of Agriculture) 
: 
 I move  
That the Veterinarians Bill be now read a first time. 
Debate interrupted.
Vote: Counter-Terrorism Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Vote: Counter-Terrorism Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:612;Page:9364] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 9 
Green Party 9. 
Noes 108 
New Zealand Labour 52; New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 8. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Keith Locke to clause 14C be agreed to: 
to insert the following new clause: 
14CProtection of protest and strikes 
Section 5(3)(d) of the principal Act is deleted.
Chadwick Steve: Supreme Court Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Chadwick Steve: Supreme Court Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:612;Page:9010] 
STEVE CHADWICK (NZ Labour—Rotorua) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.