Simmonds PennyPENNY SIMMONDS (National—Invercargill): Thank you Madam Chair. I am concerned from the answer that I received to my previous question about the minimum wage exemption permits that the Minister perhaps hasn't got a full understanding of the type of work that goes on in these enterprises. I'm also interested that it is within the Fair Pay Agreements Bill when in fact the Minister Minister Sepuloni has said that it's her intention that the minimum wage exemption permits will actually go within this term of Government. So I'm wondering if he can first of all confirm that he has had a discussion with Minister Sepuloni to find out whether that is actually still in the work plan for this this term and if it isn't then we really do need to get down to the real details of how this is going to work for the disability enterprises such as those that I mentioned before. I want to be very clear about the range of type of work that can occur within these enterprises and I know that the Hon Paul Goldsmith was talking about the flexibility needed in small businesses but actually the flexibility needed in these enterprises which are large businesses. I will try and illustrate the example of the differences in tasks that might be undertaken. So for example someone working there on a wage exemption permit may be doing the cleaning for the enterprise but his or her disability is such that on any given day he or she may not be able to do that type of work. Cleaning has been given as one of the examples where you know a fair pay agreement for cleaners is a likelihood. But on some given days that person with the disability may actually have to go and work in another part of the enterprise where they are sorting and putting two screws into a metal plate that is then ready to be used for another purpose by another business—very repetitive work work that perhaps doesn't require anything like the level of skill or physical requirement of the days when that person does the cleaning job. So they are that extreme and when I said that one day a person might be repackaging large amounts of spices into small 10 gram bags but then on another day when they are physically able they might be working in the timber yard dismantling pallets and working with heavy timber. So they would be covered by very—well I presume I don't know because it's hard to tell within here but they could possibly be covered by very different fair pay agreements; you know a cleaner's fair pay agreement and/or one where they are in a factory environment just doing repetitive work over and over with a small metal plate and a couple of screws or dismantling large amounts of spices going into a small package where they have to weigh and use skills there or another day working with timber. I just can't understand how there won't be this big administrative burden for these enterprises trying to work out what fair pay agreement each component of their work might be remembering that they are out hustling for contracts all the time and so they take contracts that are going to provide work for their people at the enterprise and they won't know from one month to another—except for the ones where they have continuity—just what type of work and what fair pay agreement it would be covered by.