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Upston Louise: Debate on Prime Minister’s Statement 
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Upston Louise: Debate on Prime Minister’s Statement 
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LOUISE UPSTON (Senior Whip—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. There is a convention and agreement with the whips on these sorts of debates about the number of speaking slots allocated. That has been done well in advance and it has been very clear about the number of National calls Labour calls and other political parties’ calls in the House. I suggest that that speaker is just stalling in the House to take up the honourable member’s time.
Robertson H V Ross: Debate on Prime Minister’s Statement 
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Robertson H V Ross: Debate on Prime Minister’s Statement 
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The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: In that case I actually do have the Government whips’ office here. I will have to check with the Clerk as to what the actual situation is. 
Hon Trevor Mallard 
: Can I say as you are checking Mr Speaker that that is an outrage—the idea that the Speaker is briefed by the whips— 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: No no. [ 
Interruption 
] No the Speaker is not briefed by the whips. I have in front of me the speaking list. That is what I have in front of me. That is all I have in front of me. I rely on the— 
Hon Trevor Mallard 
: But the speaking list cannot come from the Government whips—[ 
Interruption 
] 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Well I —[ 
Interruption 
] Order! I am on my feet. I am going to check with the Clerk’s Office what the actual situation is regarding time. What I have been advised is that this is left to the whips. It is allocated proportionately. I guess really what it means is that I am in the whips’ hands when it comes to this particular debate. 
Hon Trevor Mallard 
: Mr Speaker. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Speaking to the point of order— 
Hon Trevor Mallard 
: No no. I am going for the call Mr Assistant Speaker. [ 
Interruption 
] 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Order! I will listen to the point of order from Louise Upston.
Vote: Debate on Prime Minister’s Statement 
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Vote: Debate on Prime Minister’s Statement 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That this House express its confidence in the National-led Government and commend its programme for 2013 as set out in the Prime Minister’s statement to Parliament. 
Ayes 64 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 56 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Mana 1. 
Motion agreed to.
Mallard Trevor: Debate on Prime Minister’s Statement 
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Mallard Trevor: Debate on Prime Minister’s Statement 
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Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. Can I—it is sort of like the reverse of the normal thing that happens. Can I ask you the source of that document? If it is a National Party whips’ document of course you cannot rely on it.
Robertson H V Ross: Debate on Prime Minister’s Statement 
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Robertson H V Ross: Debate on Prime Minister’s Statement 
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The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Well I can advise the House that I have in place here the names of the people due to speak and I have got the Hon Gerry Brownlee here. That is what I have got.
Mallard Trevor: Debate on Prime Minister’s Statement 
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Mallard Trevor: Debate on Prime Minister’s Statement 
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Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. In making that decision seeing as this is a time-allocated and time-limited debate I hope you are relying on official advice and not an unofficial slip from the National Party whips’ office which got the calculations wrong.
Robertson H V Ross: Debate on Prime Minister’s Statement 
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Robertson H V Ross: Debate on Prime Minister’s Statement 
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The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I call the honourable Minister Gerry Brownlee.
Robertson H V Ross: Debate on Prime Minister’s Statement 
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Robertson H V Ross: Debate on Prime Minister’s Statement 
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The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Just before I call the next speaker can I advise the remaining speakers in this debate and request to them actually that they do not switch the hand-held microphones on or off—on or off—because the sound operators out there will control the sound for you. So there is no need to switch it on or off.
Carter David: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Carter David: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Mr SPEAKER 
: That brings to an end oral questions. Can I thank members for their patience and assistance in view of the difficulty we had with microphones today.
Vote: Corrections Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Corrections Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 68 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand First 7; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 51 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; Maori Party 2; Mana 1. 
New Part 3 agreed to.
Lee Melissa: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Lee Melissa: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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12. 
MELISSA LEE (National) 
 to the  
Minister for Ethnic Affairs 
: What is the Government doing to increase the leadership capabilities in youth of ethnic minorities? 
Hon JUDITH COLLINS (Minister for Ethnic Affairs) 
: 
 First off congratulations Mr Speaker. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Thank you. 
Hon JUDITH COLLINS 
: The Office of Ethnic Affairs has launched the Young Leaders Auckland Pilot Programme. Along with the Ministry of Youth Development it is running a 9-month training course for 10 young Aucklanders. These young leaders of the future will learn crucial skills such as advocacy public speaking and project management. The participants will enjoy valuable opportunities to learn about how a Government works the value of community volunteering and the importance of professional networking activities. Of course they will also learn to be professional unlike that lot over there. 
Melissa Lee 
: Why is this programme necessary for youth of smaller ethnic communities? [ 
Interruption 
] 
Hon JUDITH COLLINS 
: Unfortunately the Labour Party considers ethnic minorities something to laugh at but this Government is committed to a productive and harmonious New Zealand where ethnic minorities equally feel that they have the ability and skills to participate. Ill-informed prejudices of a select few may also add additional challenges. It is essential that we equip these young people to become leaders who will not only make a personal contribution to civic economic and social outcomes but also pass on their experience and knowledge to their communities.
Robertson H V Ross: Corrections Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Robertson H V Ross: Corrections Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: The question is that the question be now put. As many as are of that opinion will please say Aye to the contrary No. The Ayes have it. [ 
Interruption 
] Party vote called for? [ 
Interruption 
] First of all I will put the Minister’s amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 171. All those in favour of the Minister’s amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 171— 
Iain Lees-Galloway 
: I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. Should we not have a vote on the closure motion first? 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: No one called for it. 
Hon Members 
: Yes we did. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Sorry I missed that. My apologies.
Young Jonathan: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Young Jonathan: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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9. 
JONATHAN YOUNG (National—New Plymouth) 
 to the  
Minister for Communications and Information Technology 
: What steps is the Government taking to reduce costs for New Zealanders using their mobile devices overseas? 
Hon AMY ADAMS (Minister for Communications and Information Technology) 
: 
 Not being the Minister in charge of microphones—on Saturday the Prime Minister with Prime Minister Gillard announced the Government’s intention to introduce new monitoring reporting and intervention powers for trans-Tasman regulators on mobile roaming charges to ensure that New Zealanders travelling to Australia can use their mobile devices at competitive rates. It concerns me greatly when I hear stories of people going to Australia for a holiday and coming home to find their phone bills cost more than the travel. It is our primary business and holiday destination and that is simply not acceptable. Although New Zealand companies have responded well to reducing charges recently as a consequence of the investigation we want to ensure that that trend continues. 
Jonathan Young 
: Is the Government considering an extension of these changes to countries other than Australia? 
Hon AMY ADAMS 
: Yes. Competition issues are not unique to the trans-Tasman roaming route and the legislation we are proposing allows for the possible extension of the new powers to destinations other than Australia. Although reporting and monitoring for other countries can begin immediately on passage of the legislation the legislation will also allow for the extended powers to apply to new destinations as appropriate and once reciprocal agreements are in place with that country. 
Clare Curran 
: Why does she think that it is a priority for her Government for New Zealanders to pay less for their mobile services while holidaying or doing business overseas but pay more than they otherwise would for copper broadband services while living in New Zealand? 
Hon AMY ADAMS 
: I would firstly reject entirely the assertion in that member’s question. This Government’s interest in telecommunications is the long-term interests of all users of telecommunications services. That is our priority. That is our priority in mobile roaming as much as it is in all other aspects of the portfolio.
Roy Eric: Corrections Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Roy Eric: Corrections Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: No I am going to have a change.
Brownlee Gerry: Business of the House 
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Brownlee Gerry: Business of the House 
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Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (Leader of the House) 
: 
 In accordance with discussions at the Business Committee I seek leave for—I am told my microphone is on—the House to hear the valedictory statement from Dr The Rt Hon Alexander Lockwood Smith at 5.30 p.m. and for the House to suspend for the dinner break following Dr Smith’s valedictory statement.
Vote: Environment Canterbury (Temporary Commissioners and Improved Water Management) Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
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Vote: Environment Canterbury (Temporary Commissioners and Improved Water Management) Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Environment Canterbury (Temporary Commissioners and Improved Water Management) Amendment Bill be now read a second time. 
Ayes 63 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 56 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Mana 1. 
Bill read a second time.
Tisch Lindsay: Environment Canterbury (Temporary Commissioners and Improved Water Management) Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
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Tisch Lindsay: Environment Canterbury (Temporary Commissioners and Improved Water Management) Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
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The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Can we just in terms of the microphone—the microphone needs to stay on. Do not turn it off and hold it close and just keep talking.
Robertson H V Ross: Debate on Prime Minister’s Statement 
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Robertson H V Ross: Debate on Prime Minister’s Statement 
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The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Order! Sorry I will have to check. I call the Hon Gerry Brownlee.
Bennett David: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Bennett David: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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DAVID BENNETT (National—Hamilton East) 
: 
 My question is to the Minister of Finance: what will be the main focus of Budget 2013? [ 
Interruption 
] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Did members not hear that? Could the member please use the hand-held microphone.
Norman Russel: Motions — Human Rights—Freedom from Religious and Ethnic Discrimination 
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Norman Russel: Motions — Human Rights—Freedom from Religious and Ethnic Discrimination 
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Dr RUSSEL NORMAN (Co-Leader—Green) 
: 
 I seek leave of the House to move a motion without notice and without debate about respecting religious diversity. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought for a motion without debate to be moved by Dr Russel Norman. Is there any objection? There is no objection. 
Dr RUSSEL NORMAN 
: Thank you Mr Speaker and thanks to the House. I move  
That this House affirm that all New Zealanders regardless of their religious faith or ethnicity should be treated equally before the law and that the rights and dignity of all people in particular of Muslims should be upheld; and that the House acknowledge the responsibility of all New Zealanders to care for one another to honour the sanctity of each and every one of us and act with justice equity and respect in all that we say and do 
. 
Motion agreed to.
Prosser Richard: Points of Order — Magazine Article—Leave to Make Personal Explanation 
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Prosser Richard: Points of Order — Magazine Article—Leave to Make Personal Explanation 
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RICHARD PROSSER (NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I seek leave of the House to make a personal statement. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The member is seeking leave to make a personal statement. [ 
Interruption 
] Could the member clarify what it is in relation to. 
RICHARD PROSSER 
: Relating to a recent article in a magazine. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Is there any objection to that course of action being taken? There is objection from the member.
Carter David: Business of the House 
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Carter David: Business of the House 
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Mr SPEAKER 
: Is there any objection to that course of action being taken? There is none.
Carter David: Speaker’s Statements — Chamber Lobbies and Galleries—Partial Failure of Audio and Broadcasting System 
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Carter David: Speaker’s Statements — Chamber Lobbies and Galleries—Partial Failure of Audio and Broadcasting System 
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Mr SPEAKER 
: Honourable members I have just been alerted that there is a problem with the microphones. The Prime Minister’s microphone my microphone and the Leader of the Opposition’s microphone are working. They are proceeding to fix it as quickly as possible but you may need to resort to hand-held mikes which will be delivered by the messengers. 
Hon Gerry Brownlee 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. Do I need a microphone? 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Well it is a matter of making sure it is transmitted. [ 
Interruption 
] I think it would be better if the member did use the microphone because it is a matter of transmission for broadcasting purposes. [ 
Interruption 
] I have given the floor to the Hon Gerry Brownlee. I will take the point of order shortly.
Speaker’s Statements — Chamber Lobbies and Galleries—Partial Failure of Audio and Broadcasting System 
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Speaker’s Statements — Chamber Lobbies and Galleries—Partial Failure of Audio and Broadcasting System 
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Wednesday 13 February 2013 
Mr Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Prayers 
. 
Speaker’s Statements 
Chamber Lobbies and Galleries—Partial Failure of Audio and Broadcasting System 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Honourable members I have just been alerted that there is a problem with the microphones. The Prime Minister’s microphone my microphone and the Leader of the Opposition’s microphone are working. They are proceeding to fix it as quickly as possible but you may need to resort to hand-held mikes which will be delivered by the messengers. 
Hon Gerry Brownlee 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. Do I need a microphone? 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Well it is a matter of making sure it is transmitted. [ 
Interruption 
] I think it would be better if the member did use the microphone because it is a matter of transmission for broadcasting purposes. [ 
Interruption 
] I have given the floor to the Hon Gerry Brownlee. I will take the point of order shortly.
Business of the House 
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Business of the House 
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Business of the House 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (Leader of the House) 
: 
 In accordance with discussions at the Business Committee I seek leave for—I am told my microphone is on—the House to hear the valedictory statement from Dr The Rt Hon Alexander Lockwood Smith at 5.30 p.m. and for the House to suspend for the dinner break following Dr Smith’s valedictory statement. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Is there any objection to that course of action being taken? There is none.
Motions — Human Rights—Freedom from Religious and Ethnic Discrimination 
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Motions — Human Rights—Freedom from Religious and Ethnic Discrimination 
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Motions 
Human Rights—Freedom from Religious and Ethnic Discrimination 
Dr RUSSEL NORMAN (Co-Leader—Green) 
: 
 I seek leave of the House to move a motion without notice and without debate about respecting religious diversity. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought for a motion without debate to be moved by Dr Russel Norman. Is there any objection? There is no objection. 
Dr RUSSEL NORMAN 
: Thank you Mr Speaker and thanks to the House. I move  
That this House affirm that all New Zealanders regardless of their religious faith or ethnicity should be treated equally before the law and that the rights and dignity of all people in particular of Muslims should be upheld; and that the House acknowledge the responsibility of all New Zealanders to care for one another to honour the sanctity of each and every one of us and act with justice equity and respect in all that we say and do 
. 
Motion agreed to.
Points of Order — Magazine Article—Leave to Make Personal Explanation 
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Points of Order — Magazine Article—Leave to Make Personal Explanation 
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Points of Order 
Magazine Article—Leave to Make Personal Explanation 
RICHARD PROSSER (NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I seek leave of the House to make a personal statement. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The member is seeking leave to make a personal statement. [ 
Interruption 
] Could the member clarify what it is in relation to. 
RICHARD PROSSER 
: Relating to a recent article in a magazine. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Is there any objection to that course of action being taken? There is objection from the member.
Environment Canterbury (Temporary Commissioners and Improved Water Management) Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
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Environment Canterbury (Temporary Commissioners and Improved Water Management) Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
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Environment Canterbury (Temporary Commissioners and Improved Water Management) Amendment Bill 
Second Reading 
Debate resumed. 
PAUL GOLDSMITH (National) 
: 
 I will take only a short call to commend the Environment Canterbury (Temporary Commissioners and Improved Water Management) Amendment Bill to the House. Suffice it to say democracy has not been abandoned. It is appropriate that central government steps in when failure has occurred at a council. Failure did occur at Environment Canterbury. Commissioners were installed. They have done an excellent job since then. This bill gives them the time to finish the job and on that basis I support it fully. Thank you. 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Environment Canterbury (Temporary Commissioners and Improved Water Management) Amendment Bill be now read a second time. 
Ayes 63 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 56 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Mana 1. 
Bill read a second time.
Carter David: Urgent Debates Declined — Teachers and Support Staff Payroll—Ministerial Inquiry into Novopay System 
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Carter David: Urgent Debates Declined — Teachers and Support Staff Payroll—Ministerial Inquiry into Novopay System 
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Mr SPEAKER 
: I have received letters from Brendan Horan and Metiria Turei seeking to debate under Standing Order 386 the Government’s announcement of a ministerial inquiry into the Novopay payroll system used by the Ministry of Education to pay teaching and support staff. The announcement of the ministerial inquiry is a particular case of recent occurrence involving the administrative responsibility of the Government. However not every ministerial announcement will give grounds for an urgent debate. The big hurdle to get over is whether the matter has reached the stage where the business of the House ought to be set aside. There must be an element of urgency for the matter to take precedence over other business. I am not persuaded that setting aside the business of the House for an urgent debate can be justified today. 
There are two other occasions on which this matter can be debated. The House is currently debating the Prime Minister’s statement. The financial review debate which must be taken before the end of March will also provide an opportunity to address this matter. The applications are therefore declined.
Mitchell Mark: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Mitchell Mark: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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12. 
MARK MITCHELL (National—Rodney) 
 to the  
Minister of Police 
: What reports has she received on the number of front-line police patrols? 
Hon ANNE TOLLEY (Minister of Police) 
: 
 I am pleased to advise the House that police have reported a huge increase in the number of front-line foot patrols over the last year. The total number of police foot patrols increased by 70 percent in 2012 rising from 40918 in 2011 to 69773 last year. Front-line foot patrols play a critical role in the Government’s strategy of reducing crime. This means that there are more officers walking on our streets preventing crime and protecting our communities. 
Mark Mitchell 
: Why are front-line police foot patrols important to crime prevention? 
Hon ANNE TOLLEY 
: Foot patrols ensure that police are much more visible in our community and act as a strong deterrent to criminals. Police are also deploying these front-line staff much more strategically in areas where and at times when police know there is a greater risk of crime taking place. This ensures that the right people are in the right place at the right time and along with the 600 additional front-line officers delivered by this Government is leading to large reductions in crime rates.
Blue Jackie: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Blue Jackie: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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10. 
Dr JACKIE BLUE (National) 
 to the  
Minister of Health 
: What new initiatives is the Government taking in the fight against rheumatic fever? 
Hon TONY RYALL (Minister of Health) 
: 
 On Saturday the Prime Ministers of Australia and New Zealand announced a combined project to find a vaccine for rheumatic fever. The two Governments will provide $3 million over the next 2 years for scientists on both sides of the Tasman to collaboratively identify a potential vaccine for rheumatic fever that could then proceed to clinical trials. An effective vaccine against group A streptococcus which causes rheumatic fever would be a major step forward. This investment shows how seriously Governments on both sides of the Tasman are taking this fight against this Third World disease. 
Dr Jackie Blue 
: What other work on rheumatic fever prevention is under way? 
Hon TONY RYALL 
: We are receiving encouraging results from the Government’s $24 million rheumatic fever prevention programme in schools and communities. Although it is far too early to confirm a decreasing trend provisional data shows that in 2012 there was a slight reduction in the incidence of hospitalisations for acute rheumatic fever. By the end of this year around 50000 children in over 200 schools in vulnerable areas will be part of the programme which tests for and treats sore throats. We aim to reduce the incidence of rheumatic fever by two-thirds to 1.4 cases per 100000 people by June 2017.
Carter David: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Carter David: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Mr SPEAKER 
: And I think that if the member gave the Minister enough time to answer the question he would answer it to her satisfaction. 
Hon MURRAY McCULLY 
: Thank you Mr Speaker; that was precisely what I had in mind. I think the member and I might agree on one matter which is that the background to human rights matters in West Papua is not a good one. Although the Indonesian Government has worked very hard in recent years to improve the human rights position it is fair to say that even it would agree that the position is far from perfect. The New Zealand Government set a course of constructive engagement on these matters including targeting extra funding to development assistance—around $5 million a year—to West Papua and raising directly our concerns about those human rights issues with both Ministers and officials in the Indonesian Government. So in that respect I believe the member and I can agree. What I do not agree with is members of the current Government co-sponsoring a speaker who is a leader of the West Papua independence movement. I do not think it would be a good fit with that policy of constructive engagement.
Delahunty Catherine: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Delahunty Catherine: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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7. 
CATHERINE DELAHUNTY (Green) 
 to the  
Minister of Foreign Affairs 
: Did the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade provide him with advice regarding the visit of Benny Wenda to New Zealand and the possibility of Mr Wenda speaking at a meeting in Parliament; if so what was that advice? 
Hon MURRAY McCULLY (Minister of Foreign Affairs) 
: 
 No but I was made aware that our embassy in Jakarta advised the ministry’s head office of Mr Wenda’s impending visit and recommended that if Mr Wenda requested a meeting with the Government officials from the ministry should meet him. I understand that such a meeting took place this morning. 
Catherine Delahunty 
: Did he personally advise against Mr Wenda speaking at a public forum at our Parliament; if so why? 
Hon MURRAY McCULLY 
: No. Indeed to the best of my knowledge I have not been asked to comment on whether Mr Wenda should be invited to speak at Parliament. I believe that there are arrangements under which all parties here are able to invite people to speak in their caucus rooms and I have not been asked to opine upon that topic. What I was asked about was whether I thought it was a good fit with the policies of this Government for National members to co-sponsor a meeting at which Mr Wenda would be the guest speaker and I expressed the view that it would not. 
Catherine Delahunty 
: Why did he tell Government MPs that they should not support a public forum involving Mr Wenda giving an insight into human rights in West Papua given the fact that Mr Wenda has spoken at a number of Parliaments around the world? 
Hon MURRAY McCULLY 
: I have never been asked to express a view on whether Mr Wenda should be invited to speak. I have made it clear that I thought it was not a good fit with the policies of this Government for National members to co-sponsor a speaking opportunity. I think the member and I might agree on one matter. The background— 
Catherine Delahunty 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. This supplementary question was not about whether he was asking people to speak. It was about whether he told Government MPs that they should not support a public forum. It was not about speaking; it was about whether he told Government MPs whether they should support it.
Mallard Trevor: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Mallard Trevor: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Sitting date: 12 February 2013. Volume:687;Page:7695. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I seek leave of the House under Standing Order 354 to make a personal explanation in relation to the matter that the Prime Minister raised in question No. 3 relating to me in his supplementary answer to Mr Robertson’s question. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: As long as it is certainly a personal explanation— 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: Well Mr Speaker I do not expect to be questioned by you as to whether it is personal. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: As long as it is a personal explanation I will put the leave. Mr Mallard is seeking leave to make a personal explanation with regard to an answer given recently by the Prime Minister. Is there any objection to that course of action? There appears to be none. 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: From the period 1999 to 2008 I was Associate—and sometimes Acting—Minister of Finance. A close relative of mine holds a senior position in an Australian bank. As a result of that I gave Treasury instructions and copied them to the Cabinet Office that I was to get no papers to do with prudential supervision or with the regulation of the banking system. I followed that and it is a matter quite different from what was referred to by the Prime Minister. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I thank the member.
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4. 
SIMON O’CONNOR (National—Tamaki) 
 to the  
Minister for Tertiary Education Skills and Employment 
: What recent announcements has the Government made to enable students and their parents to make more informed choices about their career and study options? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE (Minister for Tertiary Education Skills and Employment) 
: 
 Today I welcomed the release of the  
Occupational Outlook 
 report which provides a demand-side view of the current state of 40 common occupations in New Zealand their likely employment prospects and the qualifications required to enter those occupations. The new report addresses a shortage of readily available information on demand and a short to medium term outlook for occupations in this country. Used well it will help to lessen the likelihood of people ending up in jobs that are poorly matched to their skills and qualifications. This new report will assist students and their families to make more informed study and career choices and it will also be a useful resource for employers training organisations tertiary institutes and careers advisers. 
Simon O’Connor 
: What other reports has the Government released to help address this skills gap? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE 
: The  
Occupational Outlook 
 complements last month’s  
Moving on up 
 report which looks at what young people earn after their tertiary education and compares what people are earning after studying different subjects at different levels. It highlights some very significant variations in earning potential for different types of graduates. For example top earners with a bachelor’s degree are graduates in medicine as you would probably expect and they are earning around $110000 a year 5 years after leaving study which is 3 times as much as a performing arts graduate while civil engineering graduates obtain a premium in the job market earning almost over $68000 a year which is about 48 percent more than graduates in languages literature and sports and recreation. 
Simon O’Connor 
: How will addressing the skills gap help improve New Zealand’s economy? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE 
: Well actually I think addressing the skills gap is very very important to the New Zealand economy. Through the Government’s Business Growth Agenda we are focused on lifting New Zealand’s productivity and delivering higher wages and to do so we must have a workforce that as much as possible matches skills with demand. A comprehensive youth education strategy is about getting more New Zealanders into education and training that will lead to jobs. So as well as these reports our fees-free Youth Guarantee scheme at tertiary level trades and service academies around the country new vocational pathways funding for Maori and Pasifika trades training and the new New Zealand apprenticeship scheme all provide great options to get young people into trades and vocations that the economy needs to grow.
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3. 
GRANT ROBERTSON (Deputy Leader—Labour) 
 to the  
Prime Minister 
: Does he have confidence in the Minister of Building and Construction? 
Rt Hon JOHN KEY (Prime Minister) 
: 
 Yes. 
Grant Robertson 
: Why did he allow Maurice Williamson to continue as a director of Holyoake Industries when he appointed him as Minister for Building and Construction? 
Rt Hon JOHN KEY 
: As with all Ministers I advised that the Minister should seek advice from the Cabinet Office about managing potential conflicts of interest. The Minister as I am aware took that advice and I am quite satisfied that he can actually manage any conflicts of interest. I would make this point: I was advised also by the Minister that Holyoake Industries does not have a contractor or subcontractor relationship with Mainzeal. 
Grant Robertson 
: Further to that answer is it correct that Holyoake Industries worked on the ventilation system of the Supreme Court where the lead contractor was Mainzeal? 
Rt Hon JOHN KEY 
: I cannot confirm that because I do not know what Holyoake Industries does but if the member tells me that that is the case I am sure that it is the case. That was the Supreme Court building that was tendered for under a Labour Government and the Minister was not the Minister then. And by the way 2 weeks ago the Labour Party wanted Maurice Williamson to be Speaker; this week it does not want him at all. 
Grant Robertson 
: Does he think it is possible for the Minister to manage a perception of conflict of interest in his role as Minister by not receiving papers on “heating and ventilation issues”; if so how does he think the Minister will separate out discussion of heating and ventilation from that of other building issues like windows and insulation? 
Rt Hon JOHN KEY 
: It is incumbent upon Ministers if they believe they have a conflict of interest or a perceived conflict of interest to manage that. That has been the longstanding principle. The Minister has sought advice on that and is doing that. I will bet although I have not gone and checked that there were plenty of members of the Labour executive in the last 9 years who had conflicts of interests and they managed them did they not Trevor? 
Grant Robertson 
: Has the—[ 
Interruption 
] Over here. Has he appointed a Minister to be responsible for heating and ventilation issues; if not can the Opposition suggest that Steven Joyce would be a very appropriate person to be the “Minister for Hot Air”? 
Rt Hon JOHN KEY 
: The member is free to suggest anything he likes about Steven Joyce. All I would say is that I would rather have Steven Joyce than 20 muppets from the Labour Party forming a Cabinet.
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Mr SPEAKER 
: Thank you Mr Shearer.
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DAVID SHEARER (Leader of the Opposition) 
: 
 Thank you Mr Speaker and in that spirit could I just welcome you to your position here.
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Mr SPEAKER 
: I can Mr Peters. It was presented to me about half an hour ago and it symbolises in Maoridom goodwill honour and peace to the House.
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Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. Seeing as this is the start of your term as the Speaker perhaps you could explain to us because we are full of curiosity the background of the regalia you are wearing.
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Mr SPEAKER 
: I regret to inform the House of the death on 10 January 2013 of William Robert Fenton who represented the Hastings electorate from 1975 to 1978. I also regret to inform the House of the death on 5 February 2013 of the Hon Thomas Malcolm McGuigan QSO who represented the Lyttelton electorate from 1969 to 1975. He was Minister of Railways and Minister of Electricity from 1972 to 1974 and Minister of Health from 1974 to 1975. 
I desire on behalf of this House to express our sense of the loss we have sustained and our sympathy with the relatives of the late former members. I now ask members to stand with me and observe a period of silence as a mark of respect for their memories. 
Honourable members stood as a mark of respect.
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Mr SPEAKER 
: I have received the following authorisation from His Excellency the Governor-General for me to administer the oath or affirmation prescribed by law to be taken or made by members of the House. The authorisation reads: 
Pursuant to section 11 of the Constitution Act 1986 I Lieutenant General The Right Honourable Sir Jerry Mateparae Governor-General of New Zealand hereby authorise you 
The Right Honourable David Cunningham Carter 
Speaker of the House of Representatives 
to administer to members of Parliament the Oath or Affirmation of Allegiance to Her Majesty The Queen required to be taken or made by every such member before that member shall be permitted to sit or vote in the House of Representatives. 
JOHN KEY Prime Minister 
Authorised 
Jerry Mateparae Governor-General 
31 January 2013
Carter David: Election of Speaker 
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Mr SPEAKER 
: I have to report that accompanied by members I waited upon His Excellency the Governor-General at Government House on Thursday 31 January when I addressed His Excellency as follows: 
May it please Your Excellency: 
In obedience to Your Excellency’s request the House of Representatives in the exercise of its undoubted rights and privileges has proceeded to the election of a Speaker and as the subject of its choice I now present myself to you and submit myself for Your Excellency’s confirmation. 
To which His Excellency replied as follows:  
Mr Speaker it is with much pleasure that I confirm the choice by the House of Representatives of you as its Speaker. 
I congratulate you on your election to this distinguished office marking as it does the appreciation of the House of Representatives of your impartiality and ability. 
I have further to report that I also addressed His Excellency as follows:  
I humbly thank Your Excellency for your confirmation of the choice made by the House of Representatives of me to be its Speaker. 
I desire to repeat my respectful acknowledgment to the House of the high honour it has done in electing me to be its Speaker.
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Dr JACKIE BLUE (National) 
: 
 I am very pleased to take a short call on the second reading of the Privacy (Information Sharing) Bill. One of the priorities of this Government is to improve the way public service areas are delivered and to find newer smarter ways of doing things and this bill will certainly assist in this objective. 
We have heard that the vast majority of the 20 submissions—18 in fact—express support for the bill in part or in full. Indeed we have also heard and we know that the Privacy Commissioner supports this bill. Importantly there are a number of privacy safeguards that have also been inserted into this bill. It also responds to the Law Commission’s review in this particular area. We know there have been tragedies that could have been averted if information had been shared between agencies and because information was siloed this was not the case. 
This bill will allow agencies to share information ensuring agencies can see the full picture not just part of the picture. We know this will assist front-line staff enormously. I am sure this bill will be welcomed by our agencies. The Justice and Electoral Committee has recommended some changes which will be debated in the Committee stage. I commend this bill to the House.
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Urgent Debates Declined 
Teachers and Support Staff Payroll—Ministerial Inquiry into Novopay System 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I have received letters from Brendan Horan and Metiria Turei seeking to debate under Standing Order 386 the Government’s announcement of a ministerial inquiry into the Novopay payroll system used by the Ministry of Education to pay teaching and support staff. The announcement of the ministerial inquiry is a particular case of recent occurrence involving the administrative responsibility of the Government. However not every ministerial announcement will give grounds for an urgent debate. The big hurdle to get over is whether the matter has reached the stage where the business of the House ought to be set aside. There must be an element of urgency for the matter to take precedence over other business. I am not persuaded that setting aside the business of the House for an urgent debate can be justified today. 
There are two other occasions on which this matter can be debated. The House is currently debating the Prime Minister’s statement. The financial review debate which must be taken before the end of March will also provide an opportunity to address this matter. The applications are therefore declined.