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White Helen; Dean JacquiHELEN WHITE (Labour): Thank you. I want to actually reply to Mr Court's latest statement that in fact it was fake news when there was a discussion about the deaths caused by the emissions from the vehicles that we're trying to change over by this policy. I just googled—if you look at the Otago Daily Times from 7 July 2022—that study is reported as saying that 3300 people are killed each year by that. Those are often people in a city. The highest one in this particular study was Invercargill. But I've been concerned for a long time that in our cities we get places where people live particularly children and they get killed by this kind of thing. Yes we got rid of lead and absolutely we should. Yes we got rid of toxins and absolutely we should. Now we must do this Mr Court—we must do it—and we are doing it and we are proud of doing it. Yes we will respond to the needs that the industry has for us to slow down a little if it's to keep everyone in the camp. But I'm certainly absolutely rejecting the idea that it is fake news to consider clean car emissions as an issue that we are making up. We are not making up climate change and we are not making up this. Thank you.ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Jacqui Dean): Members the debate is interrupted and will resume this afternoon. The House is suspended and will resume at 2 p.m. for oral questions. Debate interrupted.Sitting suspended from 12.57 p.m. to 2 p.m.
Ngobi TerisaTERISA NGOBI (Labour—Ōtaki): Thank you Madam Speaker. After all the pollution coming from the speaker who just took his seat the Hon Scott Simpson it's really good to hear that they do support the electric vehicles (EVs) and they do support this bill. So thank you for that.We've traversed this bill I think to its nth degree. We can all agree that reducing our carbon emissions and supporting New Zealanders to be able to afford options including EVs and hybrids and clean cars is the important message to take away here.We know that the bill provides three legislative measures: a six-month phase in to give importers time to adjust to the standards a clarification around the extension of the standards and a technical correction to enable the refund of charges imposed. We know that this shows that this Government is listening. We're nimble. We're flexible. We're listening to our importers. We're able to move when we need to on legislation. This also shows that this Labour Government are continuing to support New Zealanders. For that reason I commend this bill to the House.
Halbert ShananSHANAN HALBERT (Labour—Northcote): Thank you Madam Speaker. That was a disappointing speech from the Opposition spokesperson on transport Mr Simeon Brown. He continued to tell us what he won't do he talked a big game on pragmatic solutions but the reality is that the National Party has to tell us how they are going to reduce emissions. That is the problem that we are all trying to solve there. And for people that live in the Coromandel you can see it first-hand the impacts of climate change.Coming back to this bill because it's important that we acknowledge this piece of work. As the chair of the Transport and Infrastructure Committee I heard first-hand from submitters their contribution when we put this particular bill through the submission process and we did hear very strongly from industry the importance of a just transition enabling them and supporting them to take this piece of legislation on board.That's what we achieve by the Land Transport (Clean Vehicles) Amendment Bill (No 2) and I commend this bill to the House.
O'Connor GregCHAIRPERSON (Greg O'Connor): The committee has considered the Land Transport (Clean Vehicles) Amendment Bill (No 2) and reports it without amendment. I move That the report be adopted. Motion agreed to.Report adopted.
O'Connor GregClauses 1 and 2CHAIRPERSON (Greg O'Connor): Members we now come to our final debate clauses 1 and 2 Title" and "Commencement"."
Court Simon; Wood MichaelSIMON COURT (ACT): Thank you Minister. So just in terms of clause 11 which amends regulation 28 and which says Before the information described in subclause (1) is made publicly available any person who wishes to receive that information must apply to the Director via the Agency's Internet site" could the Minister just please explain the relevance of that clause for the committee and for people who might be listening or watching at home? Hon MICHAEL WOOD (Minister of Transport): Oh it simply means that the importer can approach the director to get access to that information."
Wood MichaelHon MICHAEL WOOD (Minister of Transport): In respect of regulation 14—and this is in subsection 6 in clause 10—which eventually got to a question no it is not primarily about hoarding. It is simply about giving the Director of Land Transport the ability to let out at that period. As I've explained earlier in the debate generally speaking for category 2 importers charges will be paid at the time. They won't be held on to for a period of time. So given that that won't occur between January and June we want the process to be as efficient as possible when there's effectively a wash-up in June. So this simply enables the director to net out any charges versus any rebates that have been incurred through that period. So instead of going through an inefficient process perhaps of a fee of $10000 having to be paid when there is actually rebate of $12000 in the system we can actually net that out and have a much smoother process both for the agency that is overseeing it and also for importers as well.When the member gets to the question around hoarding he draws an illusion to the emissions trading scheme (ETS) as just a market mechanism and market behaviours around carbon credits. It's quite different in this case because of course the ETS effectively has a market price for carbon. In the case of this legislation this scheme the price is set in the legislation. There's a price that is set now and there was a price that was set that comes into effect from 2025. There's much less opportunity effectively for gaming behaviour if you want to term it in that way. This really just is about getting out and having a smooth process once the January to June period concludes and from that point onwards category 2 importers will then carry on in the way that was envisaged under the original legislation.The member's second question—the member might want to remind me what that was and I'll quickly answer it.
Wood MichaelHon MICHAEL WOOD (Minister of Transport): The member's comments to a large degree were quite general and principle-based in terms of the parent legislation and the Clean Car Standard itself. I don't think many of them particularly pertain to Part 1 but I'll address those which did appear to. I am happy at the beginning just to confirm in respect of his final question that the regulatory impact statement on page 10 is in fact very very clear about the emissions abatement that is achieved under the Clean Car Standard. It's estimated to save 1.07 million tonnes of carbon dioxide between 2021 and 2050. The member asked what the abatement cost per tonne will be it's the opposite if there's not a cost per tonne it's a positive benefit-cost ratio of 2.22 and that's because actually for every tonne that we abate under this policy New Zealand actually saves money and that is because of the massive cost over that period of time of imported fuel that we effectively reduce out of the system. So it's not a policy that costs us money to abate carbon dioxide; it's a policy that actually has a positive economic benefit for New Zealand for every tonne of carbon dioxide that we abate. That's on page 10 of the regulatory impact statement.In respect of some of the member's other questions and points in terms of questions around the operation of the scheme more broadly—anti - money-laundering GST etc.—those don't particularly relate to Part 1 of the bill and as I understand it they're being worked through with importers.In terms of how carbon dioxide accounts will operate that's not Part 1 of the bill; that's covered by Part 2 of the bill which is really where we can have a good discussion about how carbon dioxide accounts will operate. I'd be happy to address those matters at that time.
Introduction of Bill — Accident Compensation (Access Reporting and Other Matters) Amendment Bill
Kuriger BarbaraINTRODUCTION OF BILLASSISTANT SPEAKER (Barbara Kuriger): I understand it is the intention of the Government to introduce one bill.CLERK: Accident Compensation (Access Reporting and Other Matters) Amendment Bill introduction.ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Barbara Kuriger): This bill is set down for first reading presently. The Land Transport (Clean Vehicles) Amendment Bill (No 2) is set down for committee stage immediately. I declare the House in committee for consideration of the Land Transport (Clean Vehicles) Amendment Bill (No 2).
Roberts AngelaANGELA ROBERTS (Labour): It's wonderful to see such strength and kindness from Taranaki-King Country in the Chair. It is wonderful to stand and take a call on this bill. This Government is ambitious and progressive and that means that we do new things. The original bill was evidence-informed and it also meant that we're required to continue to be nimble by working with industry to make sure that we have the best way to effect this in this House and make sure we've got sustainable change.Mr Halbert talked about a suite of changes that we need to reduce emissions a suite of changes to reduce transport emissions. Madam Speaker as you well know public transport isn't an option in the part of the country I live in. I don't live in a leafy suburb; I live in a very damp part of Taranaki and I cannot catch a bus to work. I and my neighbours aren't in the market for a Tesla and I and my neighbours are really pleased at what this Government is doing to build a solid second-hand market for clean vehicles. It is a great example of how we're ensuring a just transition something the other side of the House knows nothing about. They don't know about giving access to all New Zealanders so they can play their part in reducing our emissions. I'm really disappointed and I feel like I've got my full economics teacher voice on here—really disappointed. It's really obvious that no one on the other side of the House passed level 1 economics and understands the basic concepts of supply and demand and the part that this bill plays in ensuring that the supply that we need is going to be effective.This Government is proven to be able to lead and to navigate in times of immense change. We are not scared to go where it is difficult to be. The planet deserves it my neighbour deserves it and our kids deserve it. I commend this bill to the House.
Brooking RachelRACHEL BROOKING (Labour): Thank you Madam Speaker. I was remiss not to acknowledge your presence in the Chair in my last contribution so thank you for taking up this role for us all.Now as we know this bill is about this Clean Car Standard. The Clean Car Standard is to improve both the health of the community and also the climate by reducing emissions. It's important to note that this idea of a clean car standard has been around for some time. It was put to the previous National Government and they did nothing. That is a theme.We've just heard from the Hon Scott Simpson in his contribution. I think he was saying that we need to do things for climate change but when challenged on this he said he had no examples of what should be done differently from what this Government is doing. His speech was full of imagination. So I was disappointed not to hear any examples from him.People watching at home would have seen Simon Court's contribution. I agree with the part where he says that climate change needs some long-term planning. It certainly does. It also needs short term actions and this is one of those. I commend the bill to the House.
Andersen GinnyGINNY ANDERSEN (Labour—Hutt South): Thank you Madam Speaker. Well that was an enlightening contribution again from that side of the House. Look climate change is a challenge. We're not putting our heads in the sand like National are. You know they'd be quite happy to go on driving big cars churning through the gas and doing that without really making any lifestyle changes to make sure that we mitigate climate change. They're the first to complain about the effects of climate change when you look at pot-holes—first to complain about that—but don't want to do anything about the increasing environmental factors that New Zealanders are facing.This bill actually does something to address those issues that are going on around our country. This bill is about taking your head out of the sand and about making it accessible and available to everyday New Zealand families to make clean choices and to convert to having an electric car.The Government's Clean Car Discount scheme has been a roaring success with more than 57000 light electric and non - plug-in hybrid vehicles registered in its first year of operation. We're seeing that pick up and we're seeing people make those changes and people are also making those changes not just for environmental factors; they're making them also because it's a cheaper way to run the family car. With the rest of the world moving to phase out petrol vehicles we've kept with our ambitious targets to stop becoming a dumping ground for the world's dirtiest cars.I'm proud to be part of a bill that's progressive. I'm proud to be pushing forward a bill that makes electric vehicles more accessible for New Zealanders and I commend it to the House.
Uffindell Sam; Kuriger BarbaraSAM UFFINDELL (National—Tauranga): Thank you Madam Speaker. Look I note that I support efforts to improve mitigation of climate change and to bring cars into this country that are going to reduce our emissions. I think that's a really important thing that we do as a country. I support initiatives in that favour. I too would like to have a couple of hybrids they're pretty punchy at the moment. But my plan is to put solar on my roof and to then have some hybrids. It is a bit frustrating that we're here having to clean up this stuff-up. It would have been good to have got that sorted out earlier; we didn't—we're here we're amending it and we are supporting these amendments.I will take a bit of exception to what the Minister had a crack at of my colleague earlier. I thought it was pretty disrespectful. I think if you look back over the Minister's record he's had a terrible time as Minister of Transport whether it be a $30 billion light rail project whether it be all the pot-holes whether it be the speed signs whether it be the cycle bridge—next month it will be a cycle tunnel; I don't know what his next initiative is. Don't get me started on how bad he's been on immigration; he's causing so much damage to families and businesses out there. He'll do damage to you guys as well and you know it. I support this bill.ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Barbara Kuriger): Thank you. Just before I call Ginny Andersen I will say that there has been some comments going both ways so it's not been all one-sided this morning. It's a tense topic. I call Ginny Andersen—five minutes.
White HelenHELEN WHITE (Labour): First of all I just want to say congratulations on your new role. It's lovely to see you in the Chair. The part of this that I want to just focus on for a couple of minutes is the success of this scheme and the context of these changes. We have had a scheme that has meant so far that there's been this huge uptake in these vehicles and these minor adjustments are absolutely par for the course when you are actually changing things. And that's my challenge to the Opposition this is about changing things and being sensitive to people when you're doing it so there isn't a giant backlash. This is a pragmatic Government. This is also a visionary Government.I was in the submissions when I had people tell me for example that they were never going to see heavy vehicles in this area that it wouldn't happen—things like vans wouldn't be able to be brought in we couldn't because we were a tiny place in the world. We've done it. It's extremely successful. One of the examples of this was that one of the vans that was $100000 before the scheme went down to $80000 so it could get the subsidy. So it actually reduced the cost of those vehicles.Simon Court: Point of order Madam Speaker. The bill we're debating is the Land Transport (Clean Vehicles) Amendment Bill (No 2) which relates to the Clean Car Standard. The policy that the member was discussing was the Clean Car Discount which is a completely different policy and regulation. Madam Speaker I just urge you to ask the member to come back—thank you.ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Barbara Kuriger): Stick to the bill please. Thank you.HELEN WHITE: Thank you. It's an interesting and rich statement given the speech that we've just had from the member. But what I would say is that this particular change these little minor changes are the stuff of actual real big change that we've got to be prepared to adjust things when we need to. And actually the kind of barking that we get about this is really the result of people not liking success. This is a successful good policy for New Zealanders. I look forward to one day being able to afford to own an electric vehicle and I look forward to those who are bringing in vehicles which are not so environmentally friendly being sheeted home with the cost of that. Thank you.Simon Court: Madam Speaker I seek the call.ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Barbara Kuriger): Look no. Sam Uffindell was actually on his feet so I'm going to take Sam Uffindell—five minutes thank you.
Menéndez March RicardoRICARDO MENÉNDEZ MARCH (Green): Thank you Madam Speaker. Climate change is impacting us right now and it shouldn't take much of a Google to realise that many communities are already facing displacement and major disruption to their lives because of the effects of a change in climate. Responding to the climate change also requires bold action particularly in the transport sector where we know that domestically so many of our emissions are being produced. And in order to do that we should be discussing how we can ensure that we can take bold action while supporting people instead of just taking jabs across the House on who's going to lose their jobs and who's going to retain their jobs and just making political hot takes about who's the most useless person here. Because ultimately if we've got people who are still climate deniers who are effectively more interested in political hot takes rather than doing the best for our communities they are doing a disservice to the future generations who are going to be displaced. In order to take bold action we should be focusing on how we can better support people into cleaner vehicles how we can invest into free public transport services that are frequent and the workforce in the sector that is well-supported and well-paid. While this Government may be moving in the right direction—in a direction opposite to where National would be heading—it is definitely not moving fast enough. We as the Greens have been pushing Labour to do the right thing and to take the climate crisis with the seriousness that it deserves. New Zealand has been historically disadvantaged by a lack of fuel economy standards that support people into cleaner vehicles. That is one part of the puzzle but an important one considering that historically in New Zealand we've been the dumping ground for high-emissions vehicles. The Clean Car Standard and Clean Car Discount have started to change the types of cars that people are driving. It will have a major impact later on. This is why this Government should be moving faster instead of delaying this action. This is why the Green Party cannot be supporting this bill.The Green Party will continue standing for bold action on climate rather than delays. We've seen a bit of a conflicting trend over the past 24 hours because it is not just delays on things like clean cars that we're seeing; it's delays on healthy homes. Right now when we know that so many people are facing massive pressures on the cost of living people are struggling to access the healthcare system. We should be moving faster not slower. So the Green Party cannot be supporting this bill. Kia ora.
Ngobi TerisaTERISA NGOBI (Labour—Ōtaki): Thank you Madam Speaker. I just forgot where I was for a moment; I thought—after the last speaker took their seat and what they were saying—I was at a comedy show. But anyway it's always really interesting to hear those whose suits probably cost more than most people's cars talk about being in touch with New Zealanders—especially as I know with my second-hand hybrid that as I said I had to get a loan for and the money that saves me in petrol: five bucks over Transmission Gully. Five bucks is not a lot to you guys over the other end of the House but lots to us.Anyhow as the Minister of Transport said the Clean Car Standard is about giving New Zealanders options. It's about supporting New Zealand's budget and reducing the cost of petrol—something that they wouldn't really care about; just bubble gum change but to us it's a lot of money. So giving people money back into their family budget.This is about taking real action on climate change and supporting New Zealanders including our importers who we are sure you would wish to support as well to reduce their carbon emissions. This is our Labour Government supporting New Zealanders and our Labour plan to tackle climate change. It's a no-brainer. Thank you Madam Speaker. I commend this bill to the House.
Halbert ShananSHANAN HALBERT (Labour—Northcote): Thank you Madam Speaker. You know I feel sad some days for my friend and colleague Simeon Brown and his view of the world. Some would say all steam no hāngī"; some would say "bark and bite" but the reality is National needs to explain to this country how they are going to reduce emissions. That is the important thing because by all means criticise the Government challenge us to do better but the reality is we've all got to front up with policies and initiatives ideas but most of all action on how we are going to reduce emissions.We saw the U-turn last week: Christopher Luxon wasn't clear on National's position whether they supported the Clean Car Standard or the Clean Car Discount or what that was and my friend and colleague Simeon Brown had to step in and support him to get their position clear. But again National needs to be very clear with the New Zealand public on what their ideas are what their action is on reducing emissions in this country.When it comes to the Clean Car Discount it's very clear on the progress of this particular bill. In 2014 there were fewer than 100 electric vehicles on the road. By 2018 4123 were in this country and in the first nine months of 2022 that number shot up to 13000—there was that spike from 4000 up to 13000. The goal of this is to clean up our fleet in New Zealand. Yes it starts with those people who can afford to buy new vehicles—who can afford to buy new vehicles—and of course as they are traded out to second-hand third-hand the goal here is to clean up our fleet. That will take time; we have to start somewhere but most importantly people need to understand that in transport it's not about one initiative. We've got to have a number of tools a number of solutions on how we are going to reduce emissions and how we are going to decongest our roads. I commend this bill to the House."
Brooking RachelRACHEL BROOKING (Labour): Thank you. I rise as the owner of a second-hand Japanese electric vehicle (EV). As a person living in Dunedin Dunedin is full of these Nissan Leafs—all second-hand Japanese full EV imports. In response to one of the first National speakers—Simeon Brown—I'm very concerned about what I am hearing from National about using terms like woke virtue signalling" in regards to climate change. Climate change is real. It affects us all—poor wealthy rural everyone in New Zealand. We need to act on climate change and that is what both the Clean Car Standard and Clean Car Discount schemes do. This Land Transport (Clean Vehicles) Amendment Bill (No 2) is going to help that. I commend it to the House."
Omer IbrahimIBRAHIM OMER (Labour): Thank you Madam Speaker. We've heard a lot about working people today from the National Party. It's quite rich coming from the party that vote against every single policy that was designed to help working people—minimum wage sick leave and fair pay agreements. None the less I rise to take a short call on the Land Transport (Clean Vehicles) Amendment Bill (No 2).We know that car emissions are a major source of pollution and unless we do something and act now it will be too late. Every single step every single action we take now is going to help in the long term and this scheme is all about lowering carbon dioxide emissions by encouraging a greater supply of low- and no-emission vehicle imports to New Zealand.This is a good bill and I commend the Minister of Transport for bringing it to the House. I am on the Transport and Infrastructure Committee which did some work on this issue. This is a good bill it's a good day. I commend it to the House.
Andersen GinnyGINNY ANDERSEN (Labour—Hutt South): Thank you very much Madam Speaker. It's always great to have a lecture from the privileged elite about the privileged elite! So thank you for all those tips on how to reconnect with the working class! I'll take them all to heart!The Land Transport (Clean Vehicles) Amendment Bill (No 2) helps smooth the implementation of the Clean Car Standard by providing a six-month phase-in to the standards requirements for importers. It's a transitional measure and it's important that we do that. It's excluding motorcycles and mopeds from the standard's carbon dioxide account and reporting requirements to correct the previous speaker. We support this bill because the amendments assist the successful implementation of the Clean Car Standard and they will make it easier for both vehicle importers and also those who want to purchase a cleaner car to comply and reduce compliance costs. A smooth implementation of the Clean Car Standard makes it easier for the vehicle industry to comply with the standard and it's also key to achieving our emission reductions from the standard. The clean car vehicle import standard will mean more climate-friendly cars are available and millions in tonnes of emissions will be prevented. It will give those families better access to electric vehicles with an estimated saving of around $7000 over the average life of a vehicle which is a big deal for a family. Look I'm looking forward to seeing more New Zealanders take up the opportunity of switching to electric. I know there are a number of benefits for that for not just economies on a week-to-week basis through saving on fuel but also by making sure that we're doing the right thing for the environment. I commend it to the House.
Uffindell Sam; Kuriger BarbaraSAM UFFINDELL (National—Tauranga): Thank you Madam Speaker. As we have noted we are going to support this bill. We're standing up here to talk on the amendment to the stuff-up that was made. It's completely unnecessary. We've got an urgency week and here we are rushing through cleaning up Labour's mess. I don't know how we managed to include motorbikes and mopeds on this but we did and that's what happens when you generally don't consult or listen to the feedback.I do support the general provision that we want to bring cleaner cars into New Zealand and I think that's the right way to be going about it. We probably should've listened a bit more about when we wanted to implement that starting date. I take note of my colleague Simeon Brown who made some excellent points about the reverse Robin Hood scheme. The way this Government thinks that your ordinary Kiwi out there can just go out and buy an electric vehicle (EV) is completely ridiculous. The only people who are buying EVs are highly privileged people living in leafy inner city suburbs. Your normal Kiwi is not going to buy an EV.That's my problem with the Labour Party that you guys have forgotten your roots. You're not the party of the working-class people anymore. If you go out there and you talk to small-business owners they can't stand you guys because you're completely out of touch with them.Hon Scott Simpson: Just playing to the privileged elite.SAM UFFINDELL: Just playing to the privileged elite—that's right the Hon Scott Simpson. But hopefully they get a good message next year. I think the people of Northcote will be looking at how they're being represented by this Government.Hon Scott Simpson: The people in Northcote are looking for change.SAM UFFINDELL: They are looking for change and we're here changing this today because we are fixing this stuff-up. We are hoping that we do lower our emissions but I also think it's important to note that there were some comments made—that what this may do is mean that people hold on to dirtier vehicles for longer and that feedback probably should've been taken on board a little bit more.I'd also reiterate the fact that there are no EV alternatives for farmers out there. I'm from Tauranga. We have a very heavy horticulture scene. I see a lot of people driving utes; there's a lot of tradies in our part of town and there is no EV option. So you are punishing working-class Kiwis to give to privileged New Zealanders and that as Simeon Brown has said is a reverse Robin Hood scheme. Nevertheless we will support this amendment to clean up Labour's stuff-up. National supports this bill.ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Barbara Kuriger): Ginny Andersen—five-minute split call.
White HelenHELEN WHITE (Labour): Thank you. It's a pleasure to take a call on this bill the Land Transport (Clean Vehicles) Amendment Bill (No 2). I was one of the people who was quite sceptical at the beginning of this legislation and became increasing persuaded that it was the right way to go. And it has proved utterly successful. Just for people out there who are trying to get their heads around this this is about moving the fleet from one that is dirty to one that is clean. So it's not about the first owner of the car; it's about the rest of us who usually buy second-hand vehicles. It means that over time we will actually have an option we never had before. And that's incredibly important if you live in the outer suburbs of Auckland because at the moment we have not got enough mass transport and those people need to be able to move around and those are the families those are the workers and they need those vehicles and this is their way in.This scheme has been incredibly successful. There is obviously a balance to be struck which is making sure that we are being fair on everyone in terms of how we implement this. This makes three minor changes to a situation where I don't think anybody in New Zealand is going to regret this decision because we are going to have a cleaner fleet that is better for our air and that is better for our missions—that is substantial change in our society. We need these vehicles. I am pleased to support this bill.
Ngobi TerisaTERISA NGOBI (Labour—Ōtaki): Thank you Madam Speaker. Always it's an honour and a privilege to take even a brief call on this bill especially as a member of the Transport and Infrastructure Committee. Really good to hear our Opposition colleague on the transport committee Simeon Brown support the Clean Car Standard and go the electric vehicles (EVs)! Nice work Simeon Brown.We know that we were the only country to not have a clean car standard which of course meant that we became a dumping ground for dirty cars all around the world. Of course the more dirty cars we imported the more readily available and affordable they became. That's not the case now. Even in that short period of time that this Labour Government put in the Clean Car Standard we've already started to see an uptake in terms of people being able to afford EVs and hybrids.My family is also one of those families that were able to purchase a hybrid. I would say us" we purchased it but actually I had to get a loan from the bank so the bank probably owns most of it but we have one. What we did notice is the massive amounts of money it saves in our family budget in terms of our petrol. But also what that shows us is that the uptake is making EVs and hybrids more readily available and therefore more affordable as well. But we know that not only is this saving our budgets it's also saving Papatūānuku. So for me it's a win-win.This six-month phase-in responds to the concerns and the delivery and the time and the flexibility that we heard from our importers. We know our importers also want to make sure that they can make those EVs and hybrids readily available for our whānau but also to make sure that they are able to support us in lowering our emissions and that's what this phase-in does. Again this is—I spoke earlier on another bill—the Labour Party or Labour Government's plan of showing what we're doing to support our people what we're doing to support climate change and making sure that everyone has access to good clean EVs and hybrids. So thank you again to Simeon Brown for supporting that initiative and supporting the Labour Government's plan and for that I commend the bill to the House."
Halbert ShananSHANAN HALBERT (Labour—Northcote): Thank you Madam Speaker. It's my privilege to speak on the Land Transport (Clean Vehicles) Amendment Bill (No 2). I just want to acknowledge my Transport and Infrastructure Committee colleague Simeon Brown for his support on this particular bill. At the same time I did note that he called this side of the House disgusting and just ask that the member consider perhaps more respectable language in a professional sense within this wonderful House that we work within.As the chair of the Transport and Infrastructure Committee it's important to me that we get this right—47 percent of our emissions in this country are made up of our transport fleet. In Tāmaki-makau-rau Auckland in particular we need to ensure that we have better modes better options and better tools available to us. This particular bill amends the Land Transport Act 1998 to support the clean vehicle standards in Part 13: The Standard sets annual targets that require light vehicle importers to progressively reduce the carbon dioxide emissions of the vehicles they import."Just going back to the transport spokesperson of the Opposition last week I noted that his leader actually did a bit of a U-turn on this particular piece of work. He wasn't sure at the time if he supported clean car standards the clean car discounts and my friend and colleague Simeon Brown had to tidy up his leader and get clear on what the Opposition is thinking in this particular space.It is important that we continue the work of reducing emissions responding to the climate change challenges that are in front of us. For us that are congested in Auckland we need to ensure that we have alternative modes of public transport but also that the fleet that we bring into this country is the best quality and cleanest fleet that we can possibly have moving forward.We've heard the request from the industry in particular for a delay and have worked together to confirm a time frame that strikes the right balance between a successful implementation and at the same time the need for particular action. So without further ado I'm really proud to commend this bill to the House."
Leavasa Anae NeruDr ANAE NERU LEAVASA (Labour—Takanini): Fa'afetai lava Madam Speaker. It's a real opportunity to speak on this bill and I thank the Minister for bringing it to the House and also her answers to last night's committee stage as well. I just want to acknowledge the work of our local healthy homes provider Wati Waru who represents the Auckland-wide Healthy Homes Initiative providers that do the work and that engage with our whānau our private landlords and our private owners and the work they do to provide insulation ventilations and so forth. It is a huge job to try to protect our whānau. Healthy homes healthy families healthy tamariki—we lessen the issue of sore throats and rheumatic fever skins conditions and respiratory issues as well. That's why we acknowledge the delay in materials and that's why I support this work to the House.
Simpson ScottHon SCOTT SIMPSON (National—Coromandel): Well thank you Madam Speaker. I've been listening with intent to the debate on this piece of legislation—both this morning as the House sits in urgency but also last night as the midnight hour approached and the debate has been proceeding at pace. So I just really wanted to confirm that on this side of the House we're supporting this piece of legislation.
Ngobi TerisaTERISA NGOBI (Labour—Ōtaki): Thank you Madam Speaker. This bill continues to support the Labour Government's plan to support people. That includes tenants that includes landlords that includes our tradies that includes our building sector and that is what this bill does. We acknowledge the global supply chain issues due to COVID and that's why this extension's in place. We want to make sure that everyone has a warm healthy dry space and place and whare to be in and that's what this Labour Government does. We continue to support the people of New Zealand.
Simmonds Penny; Dean JacquiPENNY SIMMONDS (National—Invercargill): Thank you Madam Speaker. If we were an uncharitable lot we would say that this Residential Tenancies (Healthy Homes Standards) Amendment Bill was a get out of jail free" card for five years of failure by this Government. However we are not so uncharitable; we are pragmatic people and so we support this bill to help our valuable landlords. So I commend this bill to the House. Thank you Madam Speaker.ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Jacqui Dean): Making a remote contribution for the Māori Party Rawiri Waititi."
Kanongata'a Anahila; Dean JacquiANAHILA KANONGATA'A-SUISUIKI (Labour): Thank you te Mana Whakawā. The name of the bill is Residential Tenancies (Healthy Homes Standards) Amendment Bill. Common sense told us in 2017—as a party as a Government—that healthy homes standards are needed. Common sense is action; we put it into practice in 2017. COVID came along so common sense was saying Give people another year to enable this Act." I commend the Residential Tenancies (Healthy Homes Standards) Amendment Bill to the House. Mālō.ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Jacqui Dean): Order! Penny Simmons—five-minute call."
Craig LizDr LIZ CRAIG (Labour): Thank you Madam Speaker. I'd like to start my brief call by acknowledging all those landlords who have ensured their properties are complying with the healthy homes standards and the huge impact that that's going to have on people's lives. But I also acknowledge the impact COVID's had in terms of supply chain disruptions workforce shortages and difficulties getting heat pumps into the country. I think this bill takes a pragmatic approach by extending the time by a year but also ensuring that healthy homes standards are all in place by 1 July 2025. I commend this bill to the House.
Dean Jacqui; O'Connor SimonTUESDAY 22 NOVEMBER 2022(continued on Thursday 24 November 2022)RESIDENTIAL TENANCIES (HEALTHY HOMES STANDARDS) AMENDMENT BILLThird ReadingDebate resumed.ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Jacqui Dean): The House is resumed. Good morning everyone. When we finished last night and I left the Chair we were considering the third reading of the Residential Tenancies (Healthy Homes Standards) Amendment Bill. I'm advised the next speaker is a National call.SIMON O'CONNOR (National—Tāmaki): Thank you very much—a good chance to stretch one's legs. It's always good to be out in front of ACT but no offence to my ACT colleagues.We continue to support this bill—we continue to support this bill at third reading. I think the main caveat or aspect we wanted to note is that when this legislation first went through the House before we had to amend it we noted at the time that the time frames for both Kāinga Ora and the private sector were out of whack the fact that Kāinga Ora was given more time than the private sector. And the other aspect too was we knew it would not be enough the high standards which the Government were intent on pressing upon the industry. So we sort of feel a little bit vindicated for want of a better word. Hon Gerry Brownlee: It is a good word.SIMON O'CONNOR: But as we say we are happy. It is a good word for 9 o'clock in the morning—vindicated". I won't give you the etymology; it's just far too early. But we are happy to support this bill to the House."
Thursday 18 May 2023 - Volume 768
Energy Resources Levy Amendment Bill — Third Reading
VoteA party vote was called for on the question That the Energy Resources Levy Amendment Bill be now read a third time.Ayes 72New Zealand Labour 62; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 9; Kerekere.Noes 47New Zealand National 34; ACT New Zealand 10; Te Paati Māori 2; Whaitiri.Motion agreed to.Bill read a third time.
VoteHouse resumed.CHAIRPERSON (Greg O'Connor): The committee has considered the Energy Resources Levy Amendment Bill and reports it without amendment. I move That the report be adopted.A party vote was called for on the question That the report be adopted.Ayes 106New Zealand Labour 62; New Zealand National 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 9; Kerekere.Noes 13ACT New Zealand 10; Te Paati Māori 2; Whaitiri.Motion agreed to.Report adopted.The result corrected after originally being announced as Ayes 116 Noes 3.
Energy Resources Levy Amendment Bill — In Committee
VoteA party vote was called for on the question That Parts 1 and 2 clauses 1 to 3 and the Schedule be agreed to.Ayes 72New Zealand Labour 62; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 9; Kerekere.Noes 47New Zealand National 34; ACT New Zealand 10; Te Paati Māori 2; Whaitiri.Parts 1 and 2 clauses 1 to 3 and the Schedule agreed to.CHAIRPERSON (Greg O'Connor): I will report this bill without amendment.
VoteA party vote was called for on the question That the Energy Resources Levy Amendment Bill be now read a second time.Ayes 72New Zealand Labour 62; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 9; Kerekere.Noes 47New Zealand National 34; ACT New Zealand 10; Te Paati Māori 2; Whaitiri.Motion agreed to.Bill read a second time.DEPUTY SPEAKER: This bill is set down for committee stage immediately. I declare the House in committee for consideration of the Energy Resources Levy Amendment Bill.
Energy Resources Levy Amendment Bill — Second Reading
VoteA party vote was called for on the question That the Energy Resources Levy Amendment Bill be now read a first time.Ayes 72New Zealand Labour 62; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 9; Kerekere.Noes 44New Zealand National 34; ACT New Zealand 10.Motion agreed to.Bill read a first time.
Energy Resources Levy Amendment Bill — First Reading
VoteA party vote was called for on the question That urgency be accorded.Ayes 72New Zealand Labour 62; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 9; Kerekere. Noes 47New Zealand National 34; ACT New Zealand 10; Te Paati Māori 2; Whaitiri.Motion agreed to.
Appropriation (2023/24 Estimates) Bill — First Reading
VoteA party vote was called for on the question That the Appropriation (2023/24 Estimates) Bill be now read a first time.Ayes 75New Zealand Labour 62; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 9; Te Paati Māori 2; Kerekere; Whaitiri.Noes 44New Zealand National 34; ACT New Zealand 10.Motion agreed to.Bill read a first time.
Energy (Fuels Levies and References) Amendment Bill — First Reading
Leavasa Anae NeruDr ANAE NERU LEAVASA (Labour—Takanini): Thank you Mr Speaker for the opportunity to take a brief call on the Energy Resources Levy Amendment Bill third reading. Just to use one of the words that the Opposition members have used this bill has seen an illuminating debate. I want to thank the Minister Megan Woods for bringing this to the House and also for answering some of those questions during the committee of the whole House stage. I note that there have been some other questions still firing in the last few contributions; they ran out of steam during the committee stage where they could have asked and clarified a bit more. So I thank the Minister for providing those clarifications for us.So we know what this bill does. It amends the Energy Resources Levy Act 1976. What it does is it provides that fair play and fair financial return on the Crown's fossil gas resources. It is what we need. That's why I commend this bill to the House.
Lubeck MarjaMARJA LUBECK (Labour): Thank you Mr Speaker. Delightful to take a split call on the Energy Resources Levy Amendment Bill.As we have heard it's a bill to ensure the Crown receives a fair return from its fossil gas. We have heard tonight extensively about the need for the introduction of this bill. The main argument from the National Party seems to be that they don't understand the bill and that's why we shouldn't be doing anything about it and keep it status quo. Which is no surprise because the National Party is the party of the status quo and kicking the can down the road. It's really clear from what we've heard that due to historical practices over time there could be some risk of confusion to achieve a fair financial return on the Crown's fossil gas resources and there could be some problems—and that needs to be resolved. So as the Minister has said very clearly it is time that we draw a line under any possible confusion and therefore I commend it to the House. Thank you.
Leary IngridINGRID LEARY (Labour—Taieri): Well the National Party have really shown their true colours tonight. They've shown that they're in the pocket of oil companies who owe money to New Zealanders. Hon Gerry Brownlee: Point of order Mr Speaker. You know that that was a massive breach of Standing Orders. There should be a withdrawal and apology for making that statement. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Could you be more specific Mr Brownlee? I didn't hear anything that actually—Hon Gerry Brownlee: I'm not going to repeat what she said and you should be listening but when one member accuses others in this House of being in the pocket of someone else that is unacceptable. It is a breach of Standing Orders.DEPUTY SPEAKER: I've taken some advice on this and it's very much a marginal call about whether we've actually been influenced or corrupted. I will tell the member just to steer clear of that for the rest of her speech.INGRID LEARY: Thank you Mr Speaker. What is really clear to me is the love of the extractive industries of the Opposition and the fact that they are willing to back oil companies rather than go into bat for taxpayers who rightfully can take this money because this is what is owed to them and this is what this law is making clear. It is unfair on taxpayers to have different levies when actually what they need is the fair amount of tax that is payable to them. That is what this law does. It's a very very simple matter and I commend this bill to the House.
Lorck AnnaANNA LORCK (Labour—Tukituki): Thank you Mr Speaker. The Energy Resources Levy Amendment Bill is about clarity. And the only ones that seem confused are those in the National Party which we saw from the previous speaker Judith Collins as she did nothing but twist and turn everything to show once again the negative negative National Party that we have on the other side of the House. This is about levelling the playing field to get a fair deal—a return for New Zealanders on the Crown's fossil gas. The Minister has said there could be $50 million to be returned in levies and that could be spent on housing education and backing places like Hawke's Bay. I commend this bill to the House.
Chen NaisiNAISI CHEN (Labour): Thank you Mr Speaker. This bill is actually a really really simple bill. Like I said at the very beginning in the first reading—and this hasn't changed—it is a matter of fairness.When we put people who've been in the field since 1976 so we're talking about the 1976 Act and those in who had licences pre-1986—they should not be paying a lower levy than those who are post-1986.It is a matter of actually making sure that all of the people within the same industry are paying at the same rate to make sure that there's fairness in terms of the Government's levy from all companies. No matter how long you've been in the industry you should not be paying any less just because you're here earlier. That's why I commend this bill to the House.