Young JonathanJONATHAN YOUNG (National—New Plymouth): That's right. I'm not Jonathan Hunt or Jonathan Coleman as I often get introduced as. Well thank you very much for the opportunity to speak on this bill and I am so pleased it's coming to the Economic Development Science and Innovation Committee. It is about time that Government sent bills to the right place. We have had such a light workload this last 2½ years. It's going to be good to get into this and I think that as my colleague Brett Hudson has said and I have said to Minister Faafoi even though that committee is led by an Opposition chair he can have assurance that we will do the job unbiased. We will do it professionally. We will look at legislation that the Government promote and we will look at it through the lens of what is good for New Zealand. That's my pledge as chair of that committee.I'm pleased that this bill is coming to that committee because through the rigours of submissions then we will get to the nub of what is the definition of unconscionable conduct. In fact I believe I was chair of the Commerce Committee back in 2015 when we looked at this. We looked at the Australian legislation around this. We did have a good wide-ranging debate and we determined as Brett Hudson said at that point in time that because there was no clear definition of what it was that we ought to wait and see the effects of the Fair Trading Act at that point in time to see whether we could get some clarity around this. With all due respect I think that's what we will be doing again as the select committee looks at this: we will be looking for examples out there in consumer-land to find genuine examples of where people have felt that there has been contravention of what would be considered to be fair trading.I do think that a very broad definition of unconscionable conduct is a serious misconduct that goes far beyond what is commercially necessary or appropriate". It's too wide. It's too broad. It's very subjective. If somebody walks into a shop and comes under what they would consider to be intense pressure from a salesperson is that because that salesperson is acting inappropriately or unethically or is it because the person is feeling under pressure because they can't afford a product or whatever it might be? Whenever I go into a shop and somebody approaches me I find that by and large they are very appropriately behaved and they understand that they first of all want to win the client before they can win the sale. I think that's important to see.When it comes to small business large businesses and things like that there's going to be a lot in this. We have traversed this space I believe twice in the last five years around supermarkets. We have looked at it a couple of times. The Commerce Commission has delved into this quite considerably to see whether there is unconscionable conduct taking place. Once again we will no doubt get submitters from that sector and from small businesses that supply to them. It's going to be quite a process for the select committee to go through and work to find the balance that's needed—the balance that's needed—in the robustness of trading that happens.One thing that I can say to the Government parties: for goodness' sake please do not try to homogenise how everything works. There are all sorts of different approaches techniques models of business personalities of salespeople—all of this is part of what makes people succeed in their profession if they're a salesperson or if they're a small business or large business. We need to acknowledge the balance that's needed in all of these things.So look thanks very much for sending it to the Economic Development Science and Innovation Committee. We will look forward to doing good solid work on this bill. We believe in fair trade. We believe that Kiwis need to have a fair go—obviously we believe in that—but we want to make sure the balance is correct and that we don't put a wet blanket over everything but that we also give opportunity for entrepreneurship to flourish in our country as well. Thank you Madam Speaker."