Jackson Willie; Mitchell MarkHon WILLIE JACKSON (Labour): Thank you Mr Chair just supporting that kōrero too of Hūhana Lyndon. I appreciate the Minister has got out there and spoken with different groups. I'd be really interested in that. But one of the absolutely overwhelming facts that we hear Minister is that as Hūhana Lyndon said once our people get a bit of reo once our people learn a bit of culture it changes their lives—it changes their lives. I have seen it in my life. I've seen people turn around from nowhere to all of a sudden standing up being proud because they know how to speak a little bit of Māori because they know their whakapapa because they're able to stand up in front of their kaumātua and kuia and introduce themselves their maunga—their river—their whakapapa. It's one of the most beautiful things.So I just ask the Minister who as I said I know has got out there and I've seen him at different hui: was he here in 2019 when the Hōkai Rangi strategy was launched in Parliament here by Kelvin Davis? I ask the Minister: was he here that day and did he support what Minister Davis was saying at the time that the aim was to reduce that Māori population from 52 percent I think it was down to 16 percent was the goal? Of course that hasn't happened but did he support the principles of what Hōkai Rangi was all about which was more about treating the individual you know looking at the history the background of that individual rather than just a heavy approach and hammering the individual?And some of the stuff that Kelvin did I think was something that should have been bipartisan could have been supported by a National Government too as some of the work that Simon Power did in the past was supported by Labour and other people. Simon Power was a National Party Minister had gang members coming into Parliament. Why? Because he wanted to find a way forward so that our communities could all work in tandem. So we had political parties working in tandem from both sides a strategy driven by a person in National and there was no reason for Labour to oppose it—looking at the depth looking at the background of some of these gang members and looking at the history in terms of jails. Is the Minister still committed to the principles of Hōkai Rangi? I'd like to know that.Did the Minister also—and I'm not sure if I saw him—attend the justice conferences that Andrew Little initiated? Ināia Tonu Nei was incredibly important. Yes I know he's out there but I want to know what level of work has been done on the ground? And at that time we had Julia Whaipooti—I think it was eh?—and Zac Wallace who was a long-time prisoner in Paremoremo Prison who was working at ground level; Deirdre Nehua. These were the people who were working for us at ground level. We had contracts in terms of prisoners coming out of jail and we were housing them around our marae at Nga Whare Waatea. What level of contact has the Minister had with some of these groups? I would hope that a coalition agreement would not mean the end of a relationship with Māori and special groups and people who've made a contribution. And I don't even know how these people vote actually to tell you the truth but they have a huge commitment. There were so many expectations that our justice people put in place. We had major hui here in Wellington. We had major hui in Rotorua. What is the future looking like in terms of Māori working in tandem with the Government? What's that looking like? Is there a plan? It does distress us that the Treaty is being put aside because of a coalition agreement. Because the one underlying principle and priority from these hui was that the Treaty is an integral part of rehabilitation. But I just asked a few questions there in terms of the background and has the Minister been involved in some of these kaupapa in the past and are they still important going forward?Hon MARK MITCHELL (Minister of Corrections): Thank you Mr Chair. Look to the previous speaker first. It's great to hear that you had such a positive visit and experience at Waikeria Prison. Like I was saying earlier it's good to see members that are interested in taking a keen interest in terms of what our people are doing. I'm extremely proud in what they're doing.In relation to consultation about the removal of the Treaty provisions the Treaty provisions have never been part of the Corrections Act. So it's very hard to be able to understand what the impacts are when they've never been part of the Corrections Act.Coming to the Hon Willie Jackson yes I was definitely around in 2019. Yes I definitely support the initiative that Kelvin put in place and acknowledge him for that. Yes we're working with iwi and hapū as he knows. And yes we remain committed to making sure that we continue to develop and deliver the programmes that we think will do the best and move us towards when people rejoin society giving them the best possible chance of reintegration and making good decisions in their lives.