Seymour DavidDAVID SEYMOUR (Leader—ACT): Thank you very much Madam Chair. I want to thank the Minister for answering some of the questions that were asked but sometimes it's the questions that the Minister doesn't get up and answer that are the most revealing. Now I just want to restate as I was asking last time I had the call on this committee—I want to understand what the purpose of this bill is. Is it to get overall vaccination rates up as some Labour Party members have claimed during this debate? Or is it to protect people from each other acknowledging that some people who are vaccinated are less likely to infect people who are not? And if it's the latter which is what the Minister said and I think that's what should be the purpose of this legislation then why is there so much reference in the interpretation section and indeed most of the bill to vaccination" but very little reference certainly in terms of interpretation and definition to what it means to be tested and what sort of testing regimes might be put in place?So that's one question the Minister hasn't answered to date about the purpose of the bill and what the relationship between testing and vaccination is in achieving the purpose. Has for instance the Government got any guidance on what frequency of negative tests might give a person equivalent assurance that a person who is not vaccinated is just as unlikely to pass on COVID-19 to them? It's a very important number and you'd hope the Government sought some data on that so I'll leave that for now. But that's a question that hasn't been answered and that the Minister should get up and answer. The second question has been alluded to by a number of people who have gotten up and given speeches but I'm not sure that it's really been put together the way it might be which is: how does this piece of legislation connect with the traffic light system? Because we've got a Government that almost seems to be confused between governing by press release and governing by statutes—you know primary and secondary legislation made by this House and passed under the authority of the House as regulation by Ministers. They seem to be confused by the two things. I think that's why the Prime Minister frequently announces that she's going to make an announcement. It's almost as though an announcement is in fact a policy or a solution and forecasting one of those is as good as forecasting doing something. Chris Bishop: Real Fitzgerald and Muldoon.DAVID SEYMOUR: And we saw it—well we saw it with the requirement—Dr Duncan Webb: Talk about the bill at any time you like David!DAVID SEYMOUR: —for people to be—we saw it—what was that?Dr Duncan Webb: You can talk about the bill at any point.DAVID SEYMOUR: Oh—ha ha! Now you can see why Duncan Webb was a law professor because if he had to make his money as a comedian he'd be broke you know. Good old Duncan Webb. Look—do you have something else to say?Hon Member: He's gone all red.DAVID SEYMOUR: No he's gone red behind his mask. It's pretty hard for someone to show that their face has gone red through a mask that's coloured black but Duncan Webb has actually managed it. In any case thanks for playing.Look there's some serious matters to be debated here and one of them is: how exactly does this legislation fit with the traffic light system? Because we saw in the case of the mandate for medical workers the Government did the announcement that medical workers had to be vaccinated and it was another two weeks before the order was actually passed into law. That was a real problem because people who are actually in the business had enormous practical difficulties. You know they're saying "Well which staff exactly are covered and what's the consequence if they're not vaccinated? And you know how do we actually verify that they are or aren't?" All of those things. It took two weeks to sort that out. In the end the law only dropped on the Monday and I think it was the Friday that actually the first dose had to be had by. That's a real problem when you start doing announcements or lawmaking by announcement or by press release and I worry that it's going to be kind of the same with the traffic light system. We had the big announcement although I'm not sure that it was as politically effective as the Government hoped but that's another story. But only now are we getting legislation that might help bring it to pass. And yet you know there's so many serious questions around how it will work—for example I asked the Prime Minister in question time today "What's going to happen when the regulations haven't been drafted?" [Time expired]"