Norman Russel William: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Norman Russel William: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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3. 
Dr RUSSEL NORMAN (Co-Leader—Green) 
 to the  
Minister responsible for Ministerial Services 
: Have any of his staff corresponded with the Leader of the Opposition or his staff regarding a 3 News election debate involving all the minor party leaders? 
Rt Hon JOHN KEY (Minister responsible for Ministerial Services) 
: 
 Yes one staff member provided the Labour leader’s office with copies of letters sent to media organisations about campaign debates. 
Dr Russel Norman 
: Were there other verbal communications between his staff—any ministerial staff but in particular the Prime Minister’s office staff—and the Leader of the Opposition’s staff regarding this debate; if so what was the content of those communications? 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The Rt Hon Prime Minister. 
Hon Simon Power 
: No the Rt Hon Minister of Ministerial Services. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: It is just a courtesy. I could say the Rt Hon John Key. 
Rt Hon JOHN KEY 
: I am not aware of all of the communications between my staff but in terms of ministerial staff acting in a ministerial capacity to the best of my knowledge there were none. 
Dr Russel Norman 
: Does he consider it acceptable that his staff—that is ministerial staff—were involved in working to essentially jack up a presidential-style political debate that suits the big parties in Parliament which is at the expense of our democracy and our MMP system? 
Rt Hon JOHN KEY 
: I do not believe that to be an accurate description. 
Dr Russel Norman 
: Given that there was always going to be a head-to-head debate on TV3 between the Prime Minister and Phil Goff why is the Government so scared of a debate that would involve— 
Hon Simon Power 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I do not believe I need the Acting Leader of the House’s assistance on this. That question is quite out of order. This question relates only to the grounds that the Minister responsible for Ministerial Services can be questioned on including the actions of the staff. The leader of a political party cannot be questioned during question time in the House on why the leader of a political party may or may not have a view about leaders’ debates. I will give Dr Russel Norman a further opportunity to reword the question. I do not want to deprive him of his supplementary question. 
Dr Russel Norman 
: Has he received any advice from his staff as to the fact that there was always going to be a TV3 debate that involved Mr Key and Mr Goff; and why did the staff provide him with advice that he should not engage in a debate that involved all political party leaders? 
Rt Hon JOHN KEY 
: In terms of the first bit yes I am aware there will be head-to-head debate with the Leader of the Opposition; in terms of the latter point the member’s assertion is incorrect. 
Dr Russel Norman 
: Does he get advice from his staff that it is better to appear on lightweight shows like  
Letterman 
 or Tony Veitch’s rather than— 
Hon Simon Power 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. As I understand it this matter is a question to the Minister responsible for Ministerial Services. The question that has just been put by the leader of the Green Party would not fit within the ambit of that Minister’s responsibilities. 
Dr Russel Norman 
: It is a question on advice that the Minister receives and the nature of that advice. That could apply equally to the Minister— 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I believe that the point made by the Acting Leader of the House is valid. The Minister responsible for Ministerial Services did not appear on any of those shows as far as I am aware so the member cannot pose a question that way. He is not questioning the Prime Minister; he is questioning the Minister responsible for Ministerial Services. 
Hon Trevor Mallard 
: I think if the question were rephrased as “Did the ministerial staff give any Minister—”. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I am on my feet. The member gave me a probably deserved lecture about me perhaps making commentary that I should not be making and now under a point of order the shadow Leader of the House has made commentary that perhaps he should not be making either. Maybe we should score it one all but we will not carry on down that track. I will give Dr Russel Norman a further chance to reword that supplementary question. 
Dr Russel Norman 
: Did ministerial staff provide any Ministers with advice that it is better to appear on lightweight shows like  
Letterman 
 and Tony Veitch’s rather than on  
Morning Report 
  
Campbell Live 
 and an all-party leaders’ debate where they may face tough questioning? 
Rt Hon JOHN KEY 
: No to the best of my knowledge although if one were to look at the appearance on  
Letterman 
 one would see that I did that in my capacity as Minister of Tourism given that there were millions of people watching that show. In my opinion that was a good thing to do.