O'Connor Damien; Brown Simeon; Kuriger BarbaraHon DAMIEN O'CONNOR (Labour): Thank you Madam Chair and I've followed this with great interest—as most Kiwis should. The departmental disclosure statement says in here This is critical to ensure that any changes to targets can be made quickly to increase certainty for the vehicle industry." So a question to the Minister is is he planning to make changes to this on a regular or semi-regular basis to clean vehicle standards? Because in a meeting I had with a senior executive from one of the biggest international car firms her concerns were that New Zealand was able to change the standards thereby offering uncertainty to companies like that which actually made them less enthusiastic about even looking at our market. So the question to him is that given the statement here implies changes can be made quickly how often is he going to make them?Hon SIMEON BROWN (Minister of Transport): Well the Act that the last Government put in place allows for the standard after 2027 to be changed by a regulation. We are simply allowing for the standard in the years up to 2027 to also be able to be made by a regulation and making it consistent.Hon DAMIEN O'CONNOR (Labour): Thank you Madam Chair. And look I appreciate the clarification by the Minister because as I said my meetings where the issue of concern around change was one made by the motor industry and the fact that we're such a small market. So if the Minister's now implying that change will be made before 2027 then that offers more uncertainty. And so can he confirm that or otherwise whether he intends to make a change prior to 2027?Hon SIMEON BROWN (Minister of Transport): This is a bill which simply makes a change to allow the standard to be amended by regulation just as it can be after 2027. It's just simply about consistency. So it's a very simple piece of legislation. And also the Act requires the Minister to undertake a review and commence that review before 30 June 2024. So in order for that to be able to happen if there is to be any change there also needs to be the ability for that to be changed by regulation. So that is why this bill is before the House. It's a very simple piece of legislation.Hon DAMIEN O'CONNOR (Labour): Thank you Madam Chair. And I appreciate the Minister's attempt to clarify but he completely avoids the question that I ask and that is is there an intention by Government? Because what we see in other areas of secondary legislation and in regulation is that the Government has implied economic concerns will override environmental concerns or animal welfare concerns as the Associate Minister of Agriculture has implied with the National Animal Welfare Advisory Committee. So my question is is the Minister going to use the powers that this new bill will allow him to change before 2027; and if so for what reasons?Hon SIMEON BROWN (Minister of Transport): The Act requires a review. The review must take into account the matters including in section 175A. Those are the matters that I will take into account.CHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger): Thank you. I'm going to call Hon Julie Anne Genter. Some of the questioning is moving a little away from clause 1 and may be able to be pursued further down. So let's—if we stick to the broad title."