White HelenHELEN WHITE (Labour): I was in the Transport and Infrastructure Committee which heard the submissions on this matter. I'm delighted that there is unanimity about this issue. I started looking at this issue quite cynically and was quite worried about the equity issues involved. I live in the central city area and I have a little scooter and as an electric-scooter user you can avoid a lot of these problems. But I know that's not true for a family living out at the end of South Auckland; they are having to come in on a motorway that is really congested and it's very difficult. I was worried about people working shifts who were just not able to come in at those times. I had a lot of those concerns allayed by the very intelligent submissions that we got from a range of people. Other speakers are right; we have had absolutely strong support from some very important stakeholders. They range from the Employers and Manufacturers Association to the Heart of the City; they involve people with economics background and equity backgrounds; Generation Zero. We really had a full cohort of people who were intelligently engaged in this process.I am sad that the last speaker Simeon Brown was so odious in his comments really. This morning I was sitting in the transport committee and he was really talking about climate in a way playing it down and seeing the people that were talking to us as alarmist. That worries me—in a leader involved in another party in this way because leadership is not about accusing people who are genuinely concerned about these things as alarmists. We heard from a lot of submitters who were concerned about the climate in this submission. Why they considered congestion charging one of the tools in the tool box was because we're at 17 percent of our emissions in private vehicles. We are at $2 billion a year being lost. That's the estimate in productivity because of our congestion issues. These are all issues that are not alarmist; they're really important. Actually it's really important that this country is led by people who are not downplaying those parts of things but actually drawing on everyone's support for them.So it's very important I think that we look at this matter with an equity lens and a productivity lens. Those things are not exclusive to one another. It's absolutely right that good productivity means that we are hoping to see greater wages and incomes and thriving communities. That is absolutely right. So it is an equity issue too.But we also have to make sure that when we build these structures we really are making sure that the people in South Auckland who need to come in can do so. Now what we have actually recommended does that. It's about probably looking at the corridors and the peaks. So for people at home who are worried about those issues we are looking at peak times. We are looking at those corridors. We are looking at stopping rat-running which is the little ways of escaping that by going through the little streets and kind of ruining those neighbourhoods. We've looked at all of that. We're not the only people who have looked at that. I would like to thank the people who did the work in the congestion question earlier. Some very bright people have contributed a lot to this debate.Yes I think we're getting ready but obviously a very big piece of the puzzle is to make sure that we have enlightened public transport that meets the needs of our disabled and it meets the needs of our many people who will need to move around our city. That's an important piece of the puzzle.I think it's very important that the charges from something like congestion charging which I am now convinced will smooth traffic flow is tagged to public transport so that we're actually fixing a problem that has grown over years and years by people who say things like others being climate alarmists when they are not alarmists; they are actually absolutely right. We absolutely need to change the way we work.Right now I am very pleased our transport Minister is being pretty committed to that pretty visionary about that and actually very solid. Thank you.