Lee Melissa; Upston Louise; Potaka Tama; Radhakrishnan PriyancaMELISSA LEE (National): It's my first opportunity to take part and I would signal that I haven't been part of the select committee process. But having actually looked at the bill I have a question starting from new section 12A inserted by clause 6 in Part 1 where the bill says Chief executive to consult on significant guidelines or recommendations". In the amended version I'm actually wanting to find out from the Minister whether "The chief executive must consult persons or representatives of persons that the chief executive considers reasonable to consult"—how different that will actually impact on the charities compared to the previous version where it says "The chief executive must consult persons or organisation that the chief executive considers to be representative of the interests of charitable entities".The reason I ask that is when a chief executive of a charitable trust will be working to make sure that the work that they deliver to the entity is of benefit to the charitable trust they would consult people who would actually help the chief executive. But I'm trying to find out who this person may be that the Minister thinks is actually reasonable for the chief executive to consult. Could it be the cleaner? Could it be the priest at the local church? Could it be the cab driver or any other person that could potentially benefit the charitable trust? I would have hoped that the person that the chief executive consults is somebody that has expertise who would actually benefit the charitable activity of that charity.Hon LOUISE UPSTON (National—Taupō): Thank you Madam Chair. It is somewhat frustrating not to have an answer to that question that was asked by my colleague Melissa Lee. So we will keep going. I want to ask the question of the Minister still on this vein of what was an annual now three-yearly review of governance procedures to understand if she sees the intended purpose of the bill or objective of the bill being to remove unnecessary red tape for charities why then on the other hand additional red tape for charities is introduced by this legislation; and whether or not—I think there are 114000 registered charities—the one-size-fits-all prescriptive approach that has been taken by this legislation actually enables or supports charitable activity or not.TAMA POTAKA (National—Hamilton West): Thank you Madam Chair for giving me this call. I spent a bit of time with the Waikato-Tainui charitable cobweb or charity web for many years so it was pleasing to see their submission. One of the points that they raised was why this bill has not addressed the issue of charities being able to advocate for their charitable purpose without fear of losing their charitable status—for example Waikato-Tainui advocating for the resolution of outstanding claims and Treaty claims and Treaty redress. So that's a specific question I'd like to ask the Minister. Kia ora.Hon PRIYANCA RADHAKRISHNAN (Minister for the Community and Voluntary Sector): On new section 12A inserted by clause 6 and the point around consultation that Melissa Lee raised it's pretty obvious that consultation should be driven by those who will be impacted by the guidelines and that's what the chief executive will do."