Sepuloni Carmel; Chhour KarenHon CARMEL SEPULONI (Deputy Leader—Labour): I just want to revisit something that the Minister said earlier about what was working and what wasn't. On a number of occasions in this House the Minister has said that the previous Government's work and attempts to address youth crime and youth offending were not working. However at the hearing it was very good actually when I referred to Kotahi te Whakaaro and circuit breaker and Oranga Tamariki's role in that that the Minister said We're actually extending that programme that you're talking about—I called it fast track but it's exactly what you're talking about—because it has shown good results and that across the table around the table multi-agency approach really works well because we can get what the kid needs in front of them a lot quicker by not siloing ourselves as agencies. So yes that will continue. It will also be extended to older children. So we will go from 14 to 17 as well where appropriate because yep if it works we will use it." You also said "This is not something that we should politicise and just stop a programme because it was run by the previous Government. It was showing good results and it will continue." Now it's great that you said that because there have been times when you haven't said that.To the Minister: I just want to know why then make the decision to put $27 million into boot camps when all of the evidence shows that that doesn't work when for all of the survivors of State care abuse it is triggering because some of them have been in boot camps even if the Minister thinks that this one takes a different shape and form? Why not put the $27 million into what she could see was already working for young people: wraparound supports multi-agency approach supporting not just the young person but their siblings and the entire whānau. Why not put the additional $27 million into doing that?Also I'd like to know from the Minister—because certainly when we were in Government we got regular updates of the results and outcomes for the young people that were in the Kotahi te Whakaaro programme. And I know she's changed it to fast track. There were good results in terms of reductions in recidivism and those young people and their whānau having good outcomes. I want to know whether or not the Minister is still receiving that information for what she now calls fast track and what the latest results are for a programme which she sings the praises of that was started by the previous Government.Hon KAREN CHHOUR (Minister for Children): Yes I do believe that—and that is why I say this constantly—since I have been here my only thought is towards making sure that young people are safe young people are provided with the care that they need young people are listened to and young people actually have the services that they need to be the best that they can be. And I don't politicise that. That is the reason why the fast-track programme will continue and that we are investing more money into that service—because it worked and it worked well. We are also extending the age group up to the age of 16 because that is important too. When you have something that is working you invest in it. When you have something that is not working you don't invest in it and you make sure that you are reprioritising the money into spaces that work.In regards to the to the military-style academy these young people have been sentenced to at least two crimes of 10 years or more proven in court. These are our most serious repeat youth offenders. Do you know what was happening with them before the military-style academy? Nothing. They sat in a youth justice facility like a holding pen on the way to prison. That's how we treated them—we gave up on them. They had no purpose no goal no idea what the future was going to hold for them. They left and they came back. It was like a revolving door where nobody actually gave a damn where they were once they left the youth justice (JY) facility and nobody gave a damn when they came back to the YJ facility because as far as we were concerned they were a lost cause and we'll just wait for them to go to prison. That's what was happening to these young people before we decided to put a programme together to actually make sure we knew what their needs were put services in front of them so that they could grow their skills in many places learn routine learn how to deal with their family—make sure we're not sending them back to the same environment that put them in there in the first place make sure they're safe when they leave and make sure we're supporting them in whatever they want to do when they leave for at least nine months when they leave."