4. Food Safety—Food Control Plan Compliance CostsDAVID SEYMOUR (Leader—ACT) to the Minister for Food SafetyFood Safety—Food Control Plan Compliance CostsDAVID SEYMOUR (Leader—ACT): My question is to the Minister for Food—[Interruption]Mr SPEAKER: Order! Right I now need to start issuing some final warnings. I will not on this occasion because the member knows exactly whom I am talking to.4. DAVID SEYMOUR (Leader—ACT) to the Minister for Food Safety: What is the cost to restaurants of a bespoke custom Food Control Plan for a burger in time and money?Hon DAVID BENNETT (Minister for Food Safety): Like many people I like a burger and assuming the restaurant already has a general food plan if it were to add a rare burger to its plan it is likely to take 1 to 4 hours of chefs' time and 1 to 2 hours of independent checking—approximately $300 to $500 for that checking. The Ministry for Primary Industries (MPI) also has a responsibility to protect public food safety and in this case it is in the process of developing a specialist procedure for rare meat burgers to be included in a template food plan. This is something that restaurants can use without the need for the independent evaluation process. David Seymour: Has the Minister's enjoyment of burgers extended to burgers prepared using the sous-vide method and does he agree with his own officials who recommend this method or does he agree with Duke of Marlborough Hotel owner Dan Fraser who asks who the Frank-N-Furter would want a sous-vide burger?Mr SPEAKER: There are I think three supplementary questions; the Minister can address one or three of them.Hon DAVID BENNETT: No.David Seymour: Then does he agree with MPI food and beverage manager Sally Johnston who says: People have died from under cooked burgers there is a genuine food safety risk here we're not doing this to take the fun out of food."; if so how many deaths have been attributed to medium-rare burgers in New Zealand?Mr SPEAKER: The Hon David Bennett can address either of those two supplementary questions.Hon DAVID BENNETT: It has been a generation since the last food safety regime was considered and so there have been some teething issues but MPI tries to balance the need for public safety with the requirements for producers and so I have instructed MPI in this case to find a flexible and responsible way to achieve this balance.David Seymour: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I was asking for a very simple piece of information: how many people have died—Mr SPEAKER: No—[Interruption] Order! No. The member has been here a while now. He knows better than that. He asked two supplementary questions; the Minister can address one of them and he did.David Seymour: Then if 19 reported cases of E. coli from this 2015 report from his department are due to undercooked meat 103 are due to contact with household pets and 53 are due to contact with children wearing nappies what will his department be doing about those other much greater sources of the same disease?Hon DAVID BENNETT: Those issues are not relevant to my ministerial portfolios. In this case we have directed MPI to look at that balance and it is working towards that to achieve that with the restaurant in this case.David Seymour: Could this whole sad bureaucratic overreach not be resolved by him directing his officials to rule that it would be much simpler if New Zealand restaurants could simply issue a written advisory requirement as is found in places like New York and the rest of the world so that New Zealanders can make up their own mind what they eat instead of his bureaucrats and officials?Hon DAVID BENNETT: In this case the verifier could have communicated the options better to the restaurant involved but MPI has a role now to find a flexible approach in this case and I look forward to trying one of those burgers and a beer in the future.Rt Hon Winston Peters: I seek leave to table a letter written to the most senior of those two Ministers dated 27 June about the food safety bureaucracy getting out of control demonstrating what a real MP does rather than just showboating—Mr SPEAKER: Order! The last part is irrelevant to me putting the leave. Leave is sought to table that particular letter. Is there any objection to it being tabled? There is."