Jackson WillieHon WILLIE JACKSON (Labour): Well we're hearing some nonsense here this afternoon. The only sense I heard was from my whanaunga over there Doc who's made it very very clear the effect that this bill will have on Māori.We know as Māori how we're always the last hired and the first fired. That's an undeniable fact. I look up in the audience there and I see our old friend Naida Glavish.Debbie Ngarewa-Packer: Dame".Hon WILLIE JACKSON: Oh Dame? She's my mate too. Now she was a wonderful kaimahi Naida. Wonderful kaimahi wonderful member of Mana Motuhake. Her only sin was she didn't follow me into Labour. She was with me in Mana Motuhake she was one of my members and one of my candidates and stood for me in the north for Mana Motuhake. Well I can't remember what she had made of but we came second. I'm mentioning her because this is the lady—I just want to tell this to the audience—who was one of our great kaimahi. Well she should be immortalised Naida because she was the one who said "kia ora" on the phone.Hon Member: Kia ora?Hon WILLIE JACKSON: She's the "kia ora" lady.Hon Phil Twyford: Wouldn't happen now under this Government.Hon WILLIE JACKSON: Well no.Hon Member: Oh what rubbish.Hon WILLIE JACKSON: No no—National would sack her now. National would sack her. She'd be gone. Gone for all money our Naida. Maybe then she'd join the Labour Party I'm not sure. But lovely to have her here today because when I think about this sort of fair pay bargaining I take on—Debbie Ngarewa-Packer: Willie. [Gestures to gallery]Hon WILLIE JACKSON: We've got all our whānau turning up to tautoko our candidates this afternoon who are going to make a statement in terms of their maiden speeches. But they would all be worried about this because I was a union official for 18 years—18 years. [Interruption] I know because none of the losers on the other side were anything apart from working in offices. I was a freezing workers' president when I was 21 years of age so I saw firsthand what was happening. Hon Simeon Brown: What an achievement.Hon WILLIE JACKSON: Yeah well more of an achievement than a mug like yourself. Then I worked for the cleaners' union—DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order! No name calling. Hon WILLIE JACKSON: —I worked for the service workers' union and I worked for the Northern Clerical Workers Union with my uncle Syd Jackson. We saw firsthand what was happening in terms of the damages to workers at community level—Māori workers. So in 1991 when Jim Bolger brought in voluntary unionism we were in shock because it smashed the union movement. So that was in 1991. Jim Bolger brought it in the architect of voluntary unionism. Who would think in 2018 he would be a champion for the workers? Who would think in 2018 he would be the champion for the workers for the Greens for Te Pāti Māori and for the Labour Party? But not for the useless National Party—a party that has betrayed its history—because Jim Bolger said this: "We believe we have designed a fair pay agreements system which will be most useful in sectors or occupations where competition is driving a 'race to the bottom' in terms of wages and conditions. Fair pay agreements could also be useful where workers and employers identify scope to improve outcomes across a sector or occupation. In particular I consider that workers and employers will need to work together to find innovative ways to lift productivity."That's from the Rt Hon Jim Bolger the former leader of the useless National Party. He would be ashamed of this useless lot in front of us today because—Hon Simeon Brown: Look in the mirror.Hon WILLIE JACKSON: No he would be ashamed particularly of Simeon Brown. He'd look at him and he'd think—DEPUTY SPEAKER: No we won't make personal attacks. Thank you.Hon WILLIE JACKSON: I'm not trying to be personal. But he is useless I tell you. So he would be ashamed though. He would be ashamed because this is the former architect of the fair pay agreements. He chaired—Hon Simeon Brown: Who Michael Wood?Hon WILLIE JACKSON: A former Prime Minister Simeon Brown. Nothing—you'll never get there. I don't know how you even got where you are now. But a former Prime Minister and leader of the National Party oversaw the fair bargaining process. That's how far he came.Hon Simeon Brown: Oh there was a guy named Michael Wood too. Where's he?Hon WILLIE JACKSON: Further than that useless person over there will ever get. He oversaw the fair bargaining process. Of course he's quite a supporter of Māori today too unlike this useless lot on the other side. He's not only talking about fair bargaining agreements; he's talking about the Treaty he's talking about tikanga Māori he's talking about the principles—something they've forgotten all about. So he would be ashamed of this lot. What I'm saying to this lot over here is: why are you doing this to our workers and our communities? It's been really made clear by so many people. I think Marama Davidson was on to something. It's about the money. It has to be about something. Why is this lot conceding to the money men in our society? It just makes no sense. Why would you attack workers in Māngere Manurewa Manukau West Auckland three weeks before?Hon Marama Davidson: Profit.Hon WILLIE JACKSON: What is it Marama Davidson? It must be because of all the money men who are backing them. There is no other reason. The power imbalance in this is sad and the fear of getting sacked will pressure some workers into not joining a union in case the boss uses that as a reason to sack them. That's without a doubt. This shameful piece of legislation will make it more difficult for workers to join a union and have a direct impact on how unions can promote worker interests. It's shocking that this group has ignored Treasury advice. Don't want to know about Treasury advice; regulatory impact statements. "Scrutiny what's that? Oh we've forgotten all about it. We don't need a regulatory impact so—doesn't need it." Oh no they don't need that. They know everything. They are a disgrace. I'm so glad our people are here. It's good to see you all because we have a disgraceful Government sitting right in front of you. They don't care about our communities. Rima Nakhle: Not true.Hon WILLIE JACKSON: That's absolutely true. The Minister for Workplace Relations and Safety Brooke van Velden has been told that young people Māori and Pasifika people will not benefit with the loss of these fair pay agreements (FPAs). But she continues to know what is right for our communities.Repealing the Fair Pay Agreements Act rips all the good work up. It throws that boost out just so greedy bosses and greedy National Party supporters can exploit workers. That's what it's all about. The Minister claims that FPAs are too blunt. Got the right to sack before 90 days—apparently that's not too blunt. That's OK—that's OK. Her and Mr Seymour—they have all this aroha for the workers but all they want to do is sack them and throw them out before their 90 days.They want to dump a whole regime of collective bargaining. Why do they want to do that? Because they want to change the whole workplace. We know this. They want to continue to negotiate with individuals. They're not interested in collective bargaining. It's really easy to negotiate with individuals because most individuals don't have the background don't have the history in terms of being able to negotiate for themselves. They don't. They're not like Naida Glavish up there John Tamihere over here—they want to keep John Tamihere out I think. These people can stand up for themselves—that's what this is all about. That's what collective bargaining is all about.We need unions. We need groups. We need contracts in place so that workers can feel secure—Hon Simeon Brown: We need businesses.Hon WILLIE JACKSON: —not be nailed and smashed over by creeps like Simeon Brown. It's just not right. So I say today to our people who are here: beware of this useless coalition of National New Zealand First and ACT. They have no regard for our communities. They can't even speak for 10 minutes. They can't even speak for five minutes. They are a disgrace to this nation and we're going to get them out in the next two years."