Ngaro AlfredHon ALFRED NGARO (National): Mr Assistant Speaker thank you for the opportunity to speak. We on this side as has already been reiterated—and I was the first to indicate the support that we have for this bill—do not have any opposition to this bill. Why? Because much of the work that was completed on this bill actually came in the time of a National-led Government. The concern that we have on this side of the House again is another rushed process. That is the issue. So we're taking this moment to inform the Government that you can't just keep rushing the process through.I come from a trade background and we have a saying which is called R S and B": I sort of hate to say it; it's called "Rip shite and bust" and that's what happens when people rush things through without consideration without thought. What happens? There are consequences to a rushed action. Here we are again in a process that did not need to be rushed. There was plenty of time; there was plenty of opportunity. We on this side of the House were not going to oppose this but what we do oppose is again that we have an opportunity where it's been rushed.The speakers on the other side in the Government especially on the backbench have talked about the fact that we should consider the children here. But we are considering the children and the young people in particular in this regard for this bill. If the Government of the day is considering young children or young people in this regard then why did it not give it consideration and priority? If it did then we wouldn't be here in this situation. We would've completed our speeches—first reading straight into select committee. However we are here today and we're here now before the dinner break arguing and debating over the fact that you need to do due process. It's not appropriate.There are many examples where this current Government has continued to rush legislation through without giving due process. So that's why we're debating here and I want to give some examples of that that we've seen over a period of time when this current Government has been in place where they have not done due process as well. This bill around Oranga Tamariki is a bill which we know needs to be given effect to on 1 July. If the two-month process had been considered then why wasn't it then given consideration at the beginning of the—ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Adrian Rurawhe): Sorry to interrupt the member but it's come time for me to leave the Chair for the dinner break.Sitting suspended from 6 p.m. to 7.30 p.m.Hon ALFRED NGARO: Just prior to going to the break my comments were in particular again around the concern that we have that we have another form of legislation by the current coalition Government that is being rushed through for no particular reason. We know that on the other side the speeches that were made in the first reading debate were particularly concerned about youth and young people—that there should be adequate time that we should pursue this and support this piece of legislation into select committee and out and also too with the closure date.It's the report-back date that has raised our concern—in particular because it's less than two months for what would normally be a four- to six-month process; hence the reason why we are debating this around the concern about that report-back date. There's also the concern—and I have raised this in the House with the Minister for Children when the Minister was here—in regards to the fact that she made the comment that the majority of the House voted for the first tranche of the bill the Oranga Tamariki Legislation Bill. What she didn't say and what I have gone on record to say is that New Zealand First actually opposed that bill and they opposed it vociferously.So the focus is on the fact of timing and on the narrow scope that we have in this particular area here but it is that concern about the way that this bill has been rushed through the House. This is not uncommon. There are a number of bills and I want to just highlight that for instance. Let's talk about the Crown Minerals (Petroleum) Amendment Bill—DEPUTY SPEAKER: Let's not—let's not.Hon ALFRED NGARO: Well we won't mention it—you're right Madam Deputy Speaker. We won't mention it because it was such a painful process. But I want to use that—and I won't mention it again Madam Deputy Speaker. As you say we won't talk about it but just mentioning it that once was enough—it was enough. Even the Hon David Clark was choking away there because he realised how painful that process was. Why? Again it was a rushed process and there are actions to the consequences when you rush a process through like it is doing at this point in time with this form of legislation.Again there is no opposition to the intent or this legislation. The opposition that we have in our debate at present is because of process. This bill is about procedure and process in particular and we know that the actions and consequences have—and I won't mention that bill. But we know that reports and the regulatory impact statements have talked about the impact of that to that community—in particular $7.9 billion of impact to that community—and we know that this could have the same type of impact in there in particular as well.There was the winter energy payments. I won't mention that bill—sorry Madam Deputy Speaker—but that's another example of a rushed process. Again the impacts of that are to the point where we will see again communities of concern communities where they have roles and a responsibility to provide a service to those communities. In particular this process has been rushed when we compare it to—and I want to acknowledge the Hon Anne Tolley who was the Minister in charge at that point in time who put this process through. In 2015 we see a process in which we had the expert advisory panel that was put in place to seek advice for the whole of the stakeholders involved in regards to the social sector. Then in 2016 there was legislation that was put through—in fact I was the chairperson of that select committee. Again it was an appropriate process that allowed for submissions to be submitted for submitters to come through—NGOs.More importantly this bill is about the voice of young people—whakarongo mai—where again debates on the other side comments from the other side were "Let the voices of the young people be heard." Yet because of this process being rushed through the voices of those young people won't be heard. We're talking about a process that is something like six to seven weeks before it gets back into the House again for its second reading the committee stage and then the third reading as well.Again what we contest is the impact of that. We talked about the fact that we know that the bill in order to get to whakarongo mai the voices of young people that have been significant to the Oranga Tamariki piece of legislation the policy platform that's been used by our Oranga Tamariki social workers that's in place at the moment has been because we had an appropriate process that had due diligence to it that ensured that we engaged appropriately with those communities those key stakeholders so that we ensured that their voice their concerns but also too the comments that they could make which was appropriate to this piece of legislation was put in place. Again we're back at this place where it's a rushed process where we're not going to be able to hear the voices of those people of concern that have been raised by the members of the Government side and again we won't have that being told to us.This bill has 12 different areas. It's an omnibus bill that has 12 specific areas where it talks about the changes that we made again for our young people in the Children Young Persons and Their Families (Oranga Tamariki) Legislation Act. The bill amends the following legislation: Criminal Investigations (Bodily Samples) Regulations 2004 Returning Offenders (Management and Information) Act 2015 Criminal Procedure Act 2011 Sentencing Act 2002 Bail Act 2000 Children Young Persons and Their Families (Oranga Tamariki) Legislation Act 2017 Oranga Tamariki Act 1989 Victims' Rights Act 2002 Prisoners' and Victims' Claims Act 2005 Victims' Orders Against Violent Offenders Act 2014 and Children's Commissioner Act 2003.The reason why I wanted to work through that list is so that not only members in this House but members of the public could hear. It is a substantive piece of legislation. It's omnibus it's technical but it requires that the due diligence of the House should proceed. So what I would like to hear from the other side is again why did they not—they had adequate time to introduce this into the House where on this side you would have had the full support. You have the support for the intent of this bill. What you do not have the support for is this process that it again is being rushed through.Our concern as we've continually said is that when we think of the 12 specific areas of the Acts that have to be changed and the amendments to them—some small some technical but all important to ensure that we have the intent of this bill which is seeking to ensure that the benefits of the policy to include 17-year-olds in the youth justice jurisdiction is fully realised—we believe that that's really important. Those are the points that we want to make on this side of the House.We are concerned. Again this is not just a one off. We've seen many examples which I will not name in this House but the winter energy payments bill was one of those. It's coming to the House and we know the concern—again a rushed process. Why? When it was first introduced what happened? A mistake was made—$3.4 million—in which payments were not made to those who were due those payments. Again it's a rushed process. We're now having to fast-track that into the current select committee which is the Social Services and Community Committee.At the present at this time all we would ask is that this Government take consideration that if they have time to introduce legislation that's important they do that so that due diligence can take place inside the select committee and inside Parliament. We believe those aspects are really important. So while we commend this bill to the House and into select committee we want to note our concerns in the House."