Bayly AndrewANDREW BAYLY (National—Hunua): Oh thank you Madam Chair. First of all I'd just like to acknowledge and thank the Minister Kris Faafoi for stepping up to the plate and actually trying to answer some of the issues that have been raised by members from our side. I think the first thing I would do is I've got to make a disclosure. I've got to come clean: I am a consumer. I heard earlier before that it was all about the consumer so I just wanted to say to the Minister that I am a consumer and I do use and avail myself of airport services as no doubt he does from time to time.I just want to reiterate the same point I made earlier that this is all about making sure that we as consumers get the right services and products at the right time and at the right price. So that's a given—that's a given. But here we are. We've got another example I think of the Minister being soft—soft.The Commerce Commission has a very important role. We know that it regulates the telecommunications electricity dairy and of course the airport industries. This legislation is particular to three airports: Auckland Christchurch and Wellington of course. Of course we've got lots and lots of other airports in New Zealand. Before I came to Parliament I actually advised one of the airports—not of the three specified but one of the others—and I found it interesting. It is the most technical economic aspect working out whether an airport is charging the right fees. You've got terminal fees you've got landing fees you've got car parking and you've got passenger levy fees. But the terminal as an example when you come to calculate that you have to look at their public spaces as opposed to office spaces as opposed to areas used for airport functions. All that needs to go into an equation—very complicated type of stuff.What this does this piece of legislation is that we've got a willing Minister pushed on to actually say Well we think we need to do something." I think the question that my colleague the Hon Judith Colleague asked was the most pithy concise question and I didn't hear an answer to that sufficiently before.CHAIRPERSON (Poto Williams): I think you got her name wrong Mr Bayly.ANDREW BAYLY: Sorry Collins.CHAIRPERSON (Poto Williams): Thank you.ANDREW BAYLY: Thank you Madam Chair. The question Judith Collins mentioned before—to the Minister—is that we haven't had the answer to why we need this regulation. I understand that we do need the Commerce Commission to be able to get access to this information and they are rigorous. They are rigorous. If you go trawling back through all the media reports over the last few years the scraps if I can use that word between the airports and the Commerce Commission and just general scrutiny of those three major airports have been quite significant.What this piece of legislation does is it says that we need to give more powers to the Commerce Commission to be able to go and do further work. Of course if you look at some of the powers one of the issues is there's no specific process for imposing additional regulation if the information disclosure regulations are found to be ineffective. I do note that the ministry report said there is no case for that. The second thing is to make sure that the commission's summary and analysis reports can comment on whether information disclosure is effective for a regulated supplier introduce a truncated inquiry process to investigate the need for further regulation and look at new types of regulation using an Order in Council. I've just got to say to you that the case for this needs to be made strongly and I don't think it has been. The issue that we've got—and it's the same with Part 1 which we were discussing before—is one of balance. It is one of balance. It is one of protecting the rights of consumers and on the other side having a sufficiently robust competitive situation using the Commerce Commission as the prime agent to do that to go and investigate and make inquiries as required. It is striking the right balance. What I'd like to hear more from the Minister is not just the word "consumer" which is an important part; it's one part of his portfolio. The other part is looking after commerce in New Zealand. That means businesses large and small across New Zealand to make sure that they have a fair go."