Smith Stuart; Mallard TrevorSTUART SMITH (National—Kaikōura): Thank you Mr Speaker. A few weeks ago the Climate Change Commission released its advice a draft report for the Government or the public to consider and opened for submissions. They've since extended the closing date to 28 March to their credit as a result of a letter that came from quite a few stakeholders who said they needed more time. They needed more time because the commission have provided a number of recommendations—26 in fact—in their report that don't have any costs associated with them and those stakeholders said Well we can't make a full submission on this report unless we know what these policies that the commission is recommending cost how much they are going to abate and how much per tonne that will cost."But the report also covers the budgets through to 2035 the emissions budgets. That means that the emissions certificates under our emissions trading scheme (ETS) that we have—there are a certain amount of emissions certificates going to be available each year and the cap will decline all the way through to 2035 with the budgets in this report. That will set us up on our pathway to net zero by 2050. So the emissions trading scheme is actually going to get us there. Most people don't even realise when they are filling their car up with petrol or diesel if they've got an internal combustion engine vehicle or when they are filling up their gas bottle or when they're paying the gas bill to cover their cooking and their hot water that part of that cost is covering the emissions certificates that those gas and fuel suppliers have paid for. It also will be a part of your electricity bill as well especially now because we are well on our way to burning over a million tonnes of imported coal this year as the lake levels are low and the wind is not really blowing at the moment and we are running out of gas.But these recommendations—including subsidising electric vehicles (EVs) including banning gas barbecues including banning coal boilers—they all have a cost with them but they will not reduce emissions by one gram of carbon dioxide. That is all taken care of with the ETS. So it's essential that we have the numbers that back up those recommendations and what other implications they will have. Now there may well be a very good reason why we would want to have an early EV policy. That would be a "feebate" or a subsidy to get more EVs into circulation in New Zealand. However there is a slight problem with that. At the moment there is a real supply shortage of EVs. There's a lack of choice in terms of models that are available. As far as I know there is no seven-seat EV available and if you've got a large family that would be essential. So we need to know what's driving that and actually what would happen with a "feebate" or a subsidy for new EVs. It's middle-class welfare. The only people that will be buying new EVs will be people on high incomes. The only people buying near new—as those vehicles roll through to used vehicles—are people on high incomes. So I don't see the point in that particular policy. We know we're going to get to net zero because there's only so many emissions certificates available.The Climate Change Commission really needs to answer a question: how do they think these policies that they are recommending are going to lower emissions if the ETS has already capped the emissions? And we know it has. So is there something they're not telling us? I don't know but I think it's very poor form if a body like the Climate Change Commission who work for us—not the other way around—don't give us all the information that they should. Other policies included in it are more walking more cycling and more use of public transport. I don't have any issue with any of those activities but I don't think the Government in the end—and that's what they're recommending that the Government bring rules in—should be telling me how much walking I should do how much cycling I should do whether I should use public transport or not. The ETS will send the price signals to me whether I choose to walk or cycle to work rather than drive a car. That is a public choice. It should be our individual choice not a nanny State society where we are ruled by fiat from the Government saying you must walk to work on this day. I think carless days—I saw on the television before Parliament today they referred to the carless days looking back to the past. We don't want to go back to that again. Do your job Climate Change Commission. Release the numbers.SPEAKER: Order! The member's time has expired."