11. Question No. 11—CorrectionsSIMON O'CONNOR (National—Tāmaki) to the Minister of CorrectionsQuestion No. 11—Corrections11. SIMON O'CONNOR (National—Tāmaki) to the Minister of Corrections: Is he satisfied New Zealanders are getting value for money from the prison system; if so why?Hon KELVIN DAVIS (Minister of Corrections): Yes because the trajectory the former National Government had the prison system on would have seen New Zealand having to build multibillion-dollar American-style mega-prisons every couple of years—both a moral and a fiscal failure.Simon O'Connor: How is it acceptable that total prisoner costs have increased by over $130 million since 2018 and yet the number of prisoners accessing rehabilitation has dropped sharply?Hon KELVIN DAVIS: First of all the fixed costs of running a prison don't change. But also—and this might take a bit of time—I'm going to run through some of the investment that Corrections has made in what they do. First of all the High Impact Innovation Programme that's just under $15 million. Management of people of extreme risk that's over $6.5 million. The Māori Pathways that's $10 million. DEPUTY SPEAKER: I don't think we need a whole list of—Hon KELVIN DAVIS: Mr Speaker just a final point then is that dividing the total cost by the lowest prison numbers since 2008 gives a higher average per prisoner. Now that is simple year 8 maths. [Interruption]DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order! Questions are asked in silence thank you.Simon O'Connor: Seeing the Minister's keen to quote maths if the cost remains the same to manage a prison then ipso facto would not the same cost remain stable rather than going up $130 million—you know mathematics?Hon KELVIN DAVIS: Oh Mr Speaker can I please read through the whole list? Because there are hundreds of millions of dollars of investment such as in Māori Pathways such as in increasing access to mental health and addiction—over $125 million. The Waikeria Prison rebuild operating cost come to well over $200 million. This Government has invested in Corrections and invested in keeping New Zealanders safe. Hon Michael Woodhouse: A point of order. As the Minister appeared to be quoting verbatim from what sounded like an official document may we have that document tabled please?DEPUTY SPEAKER: I will ask the Minister. Is that an official document that you're quoting from?Hon KELVIN DAVIS: No. DEPUTY SPEAKER: No. [Interruption] Order!Simon O'Connor: Thank you Mr Speaker. Appreciating that long list of initiatives how does he then respond to reports about those which says there's only been a modest reduction" because of them in reimprisonment and resentencing rates—in fact most results of these don't even reach statistical significance?Hon KELVIN DAVIS: The fact is that they are better than the results that the previous National Government was achieving.Simon O'Connor: Again how can he actually say that when the quote's from his own annual report again suggesting that there has only been modest reductions in reimprisonment and the results that he has achieved basically are of statistical insignificance?Hon KELVIN DAVIS: Well again they are better than the results that the previous National Government was achieving where they actually went up."