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Benson-Pope David: Land Transport (Unauthorised Street and Drag Racing) Amendment Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Benson-Pope David: Land Transport (Unauthorised Street and Drag Racing) Amendment Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:607;Page:4578] 
DAVID BENSON-POPE (Senior Whip—NZ Labour) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
. [ 
Interruption 
] 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: The question is— 
Ron Mark 
: Point of order— 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Can I just say to the member that under Standing Order 139 and Speaker’s ruling 54/2 I have decided to put the question. 
Ron Mark 
: I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I called for a point of order before you actually started to speak. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I will hear the member’s point of order. 
Ron Mark 
: I want to point out to you Mr Chairperson prior to your deliberating on the motion that has just been moved that we are taking this bill part by part. We are not taking it clause by clause. This bill has been in gestation for about 2 years. Two select committees have looked at it. A lot of members here have commented that they would like to take a call. New material has been introduced by various speakers and it requires opportunity for members to counter those points. There are eight pages of deletions from this part of the bill. The committee has reduced Part 1 down from eight pages to half a page. I put it to you Mr Chairperson that before you decide to curtail the debate at this point there is much more that could be discussed. I understand that if the debate is repetitive and if no one else is seeking a call then you might well accept the closure motion. But right now I am getting a horrible feeling that there is an accelerated process here which is about to curtail members’ right to speak to this bill and to speak in particular to the eight pages that have been cut out of it. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I thank the honourable member for his contribution and say to him that Part 2 adequately covers the opportunity to widely debate this issue. I have accepted the closure motion.
Simich Clem: Christchurch City Council (Robert McDougall Gallery) Land Vesting Bill — Procedure Second Reading 
Simich Clem: Christchurch City Council (Robert McDougall Gallery) Land Vesting Bill — Procedure Second Reading 
[Volume:611;Page:8799] 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Clem Simich) 
: When I get to the member I will allow him a fresh point of order. I want to say in relation to the other one that leave has been sought again and even 
if they are submitted it does not alter the fact that the document has been tabled and it remains in the custody of the Clerk. You can table as many documents as you like. 
Hon Peter Dunne 
: What is the official record then? What becomes the official record?
Roy Heather: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Roy Heather: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
[Volume:614;Page:10374] 
4.  
HEATHER ROY (ACT) 
 to  
Steve Chadwick (Member in charge of Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill) 
: Does the Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill provide enforcement officers with the power to enter pubs armed with air sniffers cameras and video cameras; if so why? 
STEVE CHADWICK (Member in charge of Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill) 
: 
 Yes to allow the smoke-free protection officers to find out whether the Act is being complied with in respect of the premises being entered. 
Heather Roy 
: Given the member’s statement today that her bill is about social change and not about policing why does the bill have policing powers and harsh fines for bar and club owners? 
STEVE CHADWICK 
: The bill does not have policing powers. Police will not be involved in this bill as that member of the committee well understands. This bill has smoke-protection officers who are public health officers employed by the Ministry of Health whose role is to educate licensees and premises-holders as to how to comply with the terms of this legislation. 
Peter Brown 
: Does the member believe that it is fair and reasonable that enforcement officers can enter a bar a club or whatever and if the person in charge is not present upon initial entry can video take photographs or take air samples without identifying themselves to anybody? 
STEVE CHADWICK 
: Yes.
Vote: New Zealand Trade and Enterprise Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Vote: New Zealand Trade and Enterprise Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:609;Page:6304] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 35 
New Zealand National 27; ACT New Zealand 8. 
Noes 84 
Labour 52; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Tony Ryall to clause 9 be agreed to: 
to omit subclause (1)(d)(i).
Hunt Jonathan: Visitors — Parliamentary Delegation: House of Assembly Tasmania Parliamentary Committee B on Foreign Affairs Defence and National Security Timor-Leste 
Hunt Jonathan: Visitors — Parliamentary Delegation: House of Assembly Tasmania Parliamentary Committee B on Foreign Affairs Defence and National Security Timor-Leste 
[Volume:613;Page:9919] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I have pleasure in informing members that a parliamentary delegation from the House of Assembly Tasmania Australia led by the Speaker Mr Michael Polley is present in the gallery. I am sure that members would wish that they be welcomed.
Burton Mark: Business Statement 
Burton Mark: Business Statement 
[Volume:608;Page:5543] 
Hon MARK BURTON (Deputy Leader of the House) 
: 
 Next week in the House it is the Government’s intention to make progress on the Ngati Tama Claims Settlement Bill the Families Commission Bill the Fair Trading Amendment Bill (No 3) the Crown Minerals Amendment Bill and the remaining stages of the Resource Management Amendment Bill (No 2). Wednesday is members’ day and of course Thursday is Budget day.
Hide Rodney: Education (Disestablishment of Early Childhood Development Board) Amendment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
Hide Rodney: Education (Disestablishment of Early Childhood Development Board) Amendment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:616;Page:12129] 
RODNEY HIDE (ACT) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I did not interrupt while my colleague was speaking but I do not think it is acceptable for the Government whip to be shouting out abuse at you while someone is speaking in the House. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I do thank the member as always for telling on somebody else in the House. I have already chided her and told her she was wrong.
Fairbrother Russell: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Fairbrother Russell: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:618;Page:13764] 
5.  
RUSSELL FAIRBROTHER (Labour—Napier) 
 to the  
Minister of Justice 
: Where is the new Public Defence Service pilot scheme operating and what is its purpose? 
Hon PHIL GOFF (Minister of Justice) 
: 
 The Public Defence Service opened last month and operates in the Auckland and Manukau courts. Ultimately it will handle approximately a third of the criminal cases in each of those courts. Its purpose is to provide legal aid services that are high-quality consistent and independent and that represent value for money. 
Russell Fairbrother 
: Are there any advantages in the type of working environment created by a public defender scheme? 
Hon PHIL GOFF 
: There are indeed. It creates the ability to build a team approach where a group of skilled professionals can share knowledge and experience and support each other. It also allows younger lawyers to learn from and be assisted by senior lawyers with experience in the system. Having met all the lawyers who are now working as public defenders I am hugely impressed with the depth of experience they have the skills they have and the enthusiasm with which they are approaching their task.
O'Connor Damien: Building Bill — In Committee Procedure 
O'Connor Damien: Building Bill — In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:619;Page:14855] 
Hon DAMIEN O'CONNOR (Minister for Racing) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Vote: New Zealand Trade and Enterprise Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Vote: New Zealand Trade and Enterprise Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:609;Page:6321] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the motion be agreed to. 
Ayes 69 
Labour 52; Green Party 9; United Future 8. 
Noes 48 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8. 
Motion agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Judith Collins to schedule 1 be agreed to: 
to add to clause 1 the following new paragraph: 
(c)that is consistent with prudent financial management and commercial practices.
Vote: Gambling Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Vote: Gambling Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:611;Page:8484] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 11 
Green Party 9; Progressive 2. 
Noes 108 
Labour 52; New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 8. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 128 in the name of the Hon Matt Robson to clause 68(5)(b) and (c) be agreed to.
Hunt Jonathan: Points of Order — Presentation of Report of Privileges Committee 
Hunt Jonathan: Points of Order — Presentation of Report of Privileges Committee 
[Volume:610;Page:7638] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The point is that this is a matter for debate. Consideration of the report is set down for the next sitting day so that members can first read the report. I repeat what I said on 23 July: I will be guided in my actions by the committee’s report and the House’s conclusions on it.
Cullen Michael: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Cullen Michael: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:611;Page:8115] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I am not prepared to accept that statement from the member. That is an outrageous statement. 
Gerry Brownlee 
: It’s true. 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN 
: No it is not true at all. Mr Horomia is not well. The fact that he can carry out a radio interview does not mean he can come to this building to participate in normal work. Some day that member will be in that position as well and I hope some good grace is shown to him.
Peters Winston: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Peters Winston: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:616;Page:11635] 
7.  
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First) 
 to the  
Minister of Fisheries 
: Which appeals to the Catch History Review Committee did Jacqui Lowe sit on prior to March 2004? 
Hon DAVID BENSON-POPE (Minister of Fisheries) 
: 
 I am advised that Jacqui Lowe has sat on 23 appeals since January 2001. Information on her involvement in all proceedings since her appointment in 1998 is not immediately available but I will provide it in writing to the honourable member as soon as possible. 
Rt Hon Winston Peters 
: Was the Minister aware when Jacqui Lowe was appointed again in September last year that she was a major shareholder in United Fisheries Ltd; if not why were the appropriate checks not made to ensure that she had no potential conflict of interest created by her business dealings? 
Hon DAVID BENSON-POPE 
: No. During February this year it was drawn to the attention of the ministry that Jacqui Lowe was a shareholder in United Fisheries Ltd. Accordingly on 1 March the ministry wrote to Mrs Lowe advising her of this information and requesting that she clarify the position. She has done so. 
Janet Mackey 
: What action has the ministry taken in response to the concerns? 
Hon DAVID BENSON-POPE 
: The chief executive of the ministry has consulted with the Solicitor-General and engaged Crown Law to undertake a review of the ministry’s systems and processes for appointing Catch History Review Committee members including matters relating to conflicts of interest. This review will also provide advice on whether any further action is necessary to ensure the integrity of the committee’s operations. 
Rt Hon Winston Peters 
: How can the Minister expect commercial fishers to have any faith in a process and a Minister where such people are reappointed to a supposedly impartial committee and then make final decisions as to allocation granted to them; and what recourse if any has he planned for those negatively affected by her decisions and how many decisions of such type are there where she had a conflict of interest? 
Hon DAVID BENSON-POPE 
: I make no presumption of any conflict of interest and it is for that reason that the chief executive of the ministry has engaged Crown Law to undertake the review that I just intimated. 
Rt Hon Winston Peters 
: I seek leave to table a company’s register record showing Mrs Lowe to be a 98 percent shareholder in United Fisheries. 
Document by leave laid on the Table of the House.
Mallard Trevor: General Debates 
Mallard Trevor: General Debates 
[Volume:619;Page:14819] 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Minister of Education) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I want to seek your advice as to the timing of personal explanations and whether it is necessary when a correction is made and the member is in the House for it to be done immediately or whether it can be done later. Quite a serious accusation was made during that speech with regard to Mr Power. It was made in a jocular way about Simon Power arranging for a ghostwriter to write letters on his behalf. If that is the case it should put right immediately. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The member has a chance to take a slot in the debate if he wants to.
Business Statement 
Business Statement 
[Volume:609;Page:6625] 
Business Statement 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 Next week in the House the first item of Government business will probably be the completion of the first reading of the Care of Children Bill. Urgency will then be taken. The likely business to be included in the motion is the remaining stages of the Fair Trading Amendment Bill (No 3) the Consumer Protection (Definition of Goods and Services) Bill the Hazardous Substances and New Organisms (Stockholm Convention) Amendment Bill the Imports and Exports (Restrictions) Amendment Bill the Biosecurity Amendment Bill the Crimes Amendment Bill (No 6) the Health Practitioners Competence Assurance Bill and the second reading of the Retirement Villages Bill. It is possible that the Wool Industry Restructuring Bill will also be included. The House will rise by 6 p.m. on Friday. 
GERRY BROWNLEE (NZ National—Ilam) 
: 
 Could the Leader of the House give us some indication of when the Responsible Gambling Bill might come into the House? He may remember that I asked this question during the last parliamentary sitting. A number of organisations around the country have applications pending. My understanding is that those applications are not being processed currently at the rate they should be because of the industry expecting changes to come. Although some of us do not approve of those it would be interesting to know when the House might get around to dealing with this particular issue. 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I think the intention will be to try to pass that in the next mini-session of Parliament. 
Hon KEN SHIRLEY (Deputy Leader—ACT NZ) 
: 
 Could I seek clarification from the Leader of the House about whether it is possible that the foreshore and seabed legislation will be taken under urgency next week? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I have a feeling the process of consultation will take a little longer than that.
Beyer Georgina: Supreme Court Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Beyer Georgina: Supreme Court Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:612;Page:9008] 
GEORGINA BEYER (NZ Labour—Wairarapa) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Vote: Gambling Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Vote: Gambling Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:611;Page:8486] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 11 
Green Party 9; Progressive 2. 
Noes 108 
Labour 52; New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 8. 
Amendments not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 127 in the name of Sue Bradford to omit clauses 86 and 87 be agreed to.
Baldock Larry: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Baldock Larry: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:625;Page:19747] 
LARRY BALDOCK (United Future) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. I note that the Minister whom my question is directed at is not present in the House. This is the third occasion on which I have asked questions about the Aotea Marine Reserve with the Minister absent. In the interests of the public not getting the impression that the Minister is avoiding answering my question I seek leave for this question to be held over to when the Minister is present. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought. Is there any objection? There is.
Cullen Michael: Business Statement 
Cullen Michael: Business Statement 
[Volume:606;Page:3421] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 Next week it is intended that the House will concentrate on the first readings of bills on the Order Paper. It is also intended that if the debate on the Prime Minister’s statement is not finished today then following its conclusion next Tuesday the first item of business will be to refer the Local Government Law Reform Bill (No 2) back to the Local Government and Environment Committee or pending discussions with other parties the Government Administration Committee. First readings are likely to be done in the order in which they are listed on today’s Order Paper. Wednesday of course is a members’ day.
Robertson H V Ross: Employment Relations Law Reform Bill — In Committee 
Robertson H V Ross: Employment Relations Law Reform Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:620;Page:16194] 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: The member is required under Standing Order 84(3) to make his points terse and to the point. I have listened to what the member said and I have considered the situation under Speaker’s ruling 70/1.
Hodgson Pete: Fisheries Amendment Bill (No 2) — First Reading 
Hodgson Pete: Fisheries Amendment Bill (No 2) — First Reading 
[Volume:613;Page:9836] 
Hon PETE HODGSON (Minister of Fisheries) 
: 
 I move  
That the Fisheries Amendment Bill (No 2) be referred to the Primary Production Committee 
 referred to the Primary Production Committee 
 for consideration that the committee report the bill by 27 February 2004 and that the committee have the authority to meet at any time while the House is sitting except during oral questions and during any evening on a day on which there has been a sitting of the House and on a Friday in a week in which there has beena sitting of the House despite Standing Orders 193 and 196(1)(b) and (c). 
Motion agreed to.
Speaker’s Rulings — Contempt Finding—Hon Dr Nick Smith 
Speaker’s Rulings — Contempt Finding—Hon Dr Nick Smith 
[Volume:616;Page:11989] 
Thursday 25 March 2004 
Mr Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Prayers 
. 
Speaker’s Rulings 
Contempt Finding—Hon Dr Nick Smith 
Mr SPEAKER 
: As members will appreciate since the finding of contempt against the Hon Dr Nick Smith the Clerk of the House and I have received numerous media inquiries as to the effect of the finding on Dr Smith’s membership of the House. We have both declined to comment on the ground that any advice on such a matter should be given to this House rather than to individual members of the media. The media can learn my views by reporting the proceedings of this House. 
I have not seen any order of the court with regard to Dr Smith nor have I seen the court’s judgment. In those circumstances the question is academic at present. I also understand that Dr Smith is contemplating an appeal. Ultimately whether a vacancy has arisen is a matter for me as Speaker to be satisfied of. I refer members to section 129(1) of the Electoral Act. 
I am certainly not satisfied that a vacancy exists at this time. In the meantime I therefore intend to adhere to the provisional view expressed by the Clerk of the House to the Business Committee on 24 August 2003—a copy of which was handed out at that meeting and all parties were there—that if Dr Smith were to be found in contempt of court no disqualification would follow.
Catchpole Brent: Prostitution Reform Bill — In Committee 
Catchpole Brent: Prostitution Reform Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:608;Page:5230] 
BRENT CATCHPOLE (NZ First) 
: 
 I mentioned earlier that the bill we have in the ballot for members’ bills is based on the Swedish model and I would just like to expand on that. The Swedish Government views prostitution as undesirable and has identified as a priority assisting prostitutes to leave the industry. Prostitutes have extensive support structures including specific counselling services and retraining programmes. When the Swedish Government introduced the law in 1999 to criminalise the clients of prostitutes there was a dramatic reduction in the number of women working on the streets. 
Tim Barnett is being naive when he believes that decriminalising prostitution will not result in an increase in the number of people who enter the industry. Decriminalising prostitution and putting it on a similar footing to other occupations and businesses simply legitimises the entire industry and sends the wrong message out to the young and vulnerable who will see prostitution as a genuine career choice. That would be a tragedy. The enormity of the sex trade throughout the world is overwhelming. I quote from Donna Hughes the education and research coordinator for the Coalition Against Trafficking in Women: “The only way to proceed is to acknowledge the violence and exploitation for what it is and create remedies accordingly. Decriminalisation will only benefit traffickers and pimps and compromise individual women’s rights.” 
Tim Barnett states: “The experience of decriminalisation in New South Wales has been that the illegal sector has not developed.” I have to compare that with a “Monty Pythonism”: the way to reduce crime is to reduce the number of offences. If prostitution is decriminalised of course there will not be an illegal sector—it is no longer illegal! Tim Barnett’s belief is that the illegal sector will not develop but how can it? It can no longer exist because it is no longer illegal. 
When the laws on drugs were liberalised in the Netherlands a huge industry developed and the Netherlands has now largely reversed those laws. The Netherlands now has grave doubts about the decriminalisation of prostitution. The decriminalising of prostitution will only leave an industry that will exploit women because it will no longer be illegal to do so. This bill would decriminalise the whole activity of trafficking and prostitution is a major industry that leads to trafficking in particularly the young and the vulnerable. This bill leaves it wide open for that industry to expand and develop as a result of that. This bill is fatally flawed and I will be voting against all parts of it.
Simich Clem: Prisoners' and Victims' Claims Bill — First Reading 
Simich Clem: Prisoners' and Victims' Claims Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:622;Page:17988] 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Clem Simich) 
: No it was not by leave. 
Hon Tony Ryall 
: Well you had actually started to put the question.
Power Simon: Human Assisted Reproductive Technology Bill — In Committee Procedure 
Power Simon: Human Assisted Reproductive Technology Bill — In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:621;Page:16347] 
SIMON POWER (National—Rangitikei) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. This is related and I am not disputing your ruling at all. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: We are dealing with Mr Franks’ point of order. 
SIMON POWER 
: I wish to speak to that. We are now in a slightly difficult position actually. Because if Mr Franks’ view and Mr Brown’s view is that members are trying to cover up the way they are voting by the use of the mechanism provided in the Standing Orders for a split vote that is quite a serious accusation which reflects on all 120 members of Parliament. I made the offer right at the start of these points of orders in relation to Mr Brown’s matter to cooperate with him in any way as Minister Benson-Pope said would be appropriate. But I think we need to think very carefully about where we leave this ruling. Because yes there are points to be made about the public’s view on how this voting system works and it is not perfect by any stretch of the imagination and the right forum to deal with it is the Standing Orders Committee. But to let that accusation lie on the table in the Committee is something that I do believe you will have to deal with.
Robertson H V Ross: Estimates Debate —  Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Robertson H V Ross: Estimates Debate —  Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:610;Page:7267] 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: The Hon Pete Hodgson has three more votes. Previously we have put votes together but have taken separate votes at the end. I ask the Committee whether there is any objection to our doing the three together then taking separate votes at the end. Is there any objection to that course of action? There appears to be none.
Smith Nick: Foreshore and Seabed Bill Resource Management (Foreshore and Seabed) Amendment Bill — Third Readings 
Smith Nick: Foreshore and Seabed Bill Resource Management (Foreshore and Seabed) Amendment Bill — Third Readings 
[Volume:621;Page:17190] 
Hon Dr NICK SMITH (National—Nelson) 
: 
 I seek the leave of the House to table  
Hansard 
 Volume 538 at page 18189 showing that when Te Ture Whenua Maori Act was passed through its second and third readings it was supported by members of every party in the House including Mr Winston Peters. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to table that. Is there any objection? There is.
Cullen Michael: Points of Order — Foreshore and Seabed—Media Briefing by Government 
Cullen Michael: Points of Order — Foreshore and Seabed—Media Briefing by Government 
[Volume:616;Page:12367] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 A policy statement is being made on Wednesday. The legislation will not be tabled until Thursday. It will not be ready until Thursday. We want it to be considered by the Cabinet legislation committee which has power to act. I am happy to tell the member that all the policy material will be made available to members of Parliament before 2 o’clock tomorrow afternoon. A general debate time is available for people to debate that policy.
Vote: New Organisms and Other Matters Bill — In Committee 
Vote: New Organisms and Other Matters Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:612;Page:8947] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 24 
New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; Progressive 2. 
Noes 91 
New Zealand Labour 52; New Zealand National 26; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 8. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Matt Robson to clause 18 be agreed to: 
to insert after section 38A(4) the following subsection: 
(5)No application for a conditional release of a genetically modified organism which is likely to directly or indirectly enter the human food chain may be determined by the Authority.
Vote: Holidays Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Holidays Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:620;Page:16040] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand Labour 51; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 58 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; ACT New Zealand 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Motion agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Paul Swain to clause 2A be agreed to: 
to insert after the word “entered” in the definition of  
existing individual employment agreement 
 the word “into”.
Dunne Peter: Sale of Liquor Amendment Bill (No 2) — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
Dunne Peter: Sale of Liquor Amendment Bill (No 2) — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:616;Page:12364] 
Hon PETER DUNNE (Leader—United Future) 
: 
 I take a very brief call to support the third reading. We welcome the amendments that have been passed particularly those clarifying the situation on Easter Sunday and those regarding rice wines. I was particularly grateful to the House for the support it gave to my own amendment regarding off-licence sales to reciprocal members of clubs. I think that will be a positive step forward. 
The only other observation I want to make and I am sure the House will indulge me very briefly to make it relates to a comment made by Mr Catchpole suggesting that lifting the drinking age to 20 would curb under-age drinking problems. It reminds me of a visit I made to the electorate of the member for Otaki when I was a member of the Government in the 1980s to discuss the Government’s economic changes and someone got up at a meeting and said: “We’re all in favour of the Government’s economic changes. Why couldn’t the Government have waited until all the old people had died first before we brought them in?”. I think of the same argument in the context of Mr Catchpole’s point that if we raise the drinking age we resolve all our under-age drinking problems. The issue is far more complex than that. I do not have the time or the interest to go into it this evening. I think this bill is a good one. We should support it and then we can all go home.
Vote: Civil Union Bill — In Committee Procedure 
Vote: Civil Union Bill — In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:622;Page:17558] 
A personal vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 46 
Adams(P) 
English(P) 
Peters J (P) 
Tisch  
Alexander(P) 
Franks(P) 
Peters W (P) 
Turner (P) 
Baldock  
Gudgeon(P) 
Power(P) 
Wang(P) 
Brash (P) 
Heatley(P) 
Prebble(P) 
Williamson(P) 
Brown  
Hutchison(P) 
Roy(P) 
Woolerton(P) 
Carter D (P) 
Jones(P) 
Ryall(P) 
Worth(P) 
Carter J (P) 
Key(P) 
Scott(P) 
Catchpole(P) 
Mapp(P) 
Shirley(P) 
Coddington(P) 
McNair(P) 
Smith L (P) 
Collins(P) 
Newman(P) 
Smith M (P) 
Connell(P) 
Ogilvy(P) 
Smith N (P) 
Dunne(P) 
Paraone(P) 
Stewart  
Teller: 
Eckhoff  
Perry(P) 
te Heuheu(P) 
Copeland  
Noes 74 
Anderton(P) 
Duynhoven(P) 
Laban(P) 
Simich(P) 
Ardern(P) 
Dyson(P) 
Locke(P) 
Sowry(P) 
Barker(P) 
Ewen-Street(P) 
Mackey J (P) 
Sutton(P) 
Barnett(P) 
Fairbrother(P) 
Mackey M (P) 
Swain(P) 
Benson-Pope  
Field(P) 
Maharey(P) 
Tamihere(P) 
Beyer  
Fitzsimons(P) 
Mahuta(P) 
Tanczos(P) 
Bradford(P) 
Gallagher(P) 
Mallard(P) 
Tizard(P) 
Brownlee(P) 
Goff(P) 
Mark 
Turei 
Burton(P) 
Gosche(P) 
McCully(P) 
Turia(P) 
Carter C (P) 
Goudie(P) 
O'Connor(P) 
Ward(P) 
Chadwick(P) 
Hartley(P) 
Okeroa(P) 
Wilson(P) 
Choudhary(P) 
Hawkins(P) 
Parker(P) 
Wong(P) 
Clark(P) 
Hereora(P) 
Peck (P) 
Yates (P) 
Cosgrove(P) 
Hide(P) 
Pettis 
Cullen(P) 
Hobbs(P) 
Pillay(P) 
Cunliffe(P) 
Hodgson(P) 
Rich(P) 
Dalziel(P) 
Horomia(P) 
Ririnui(P) 
Donald(P) 
Hunt(P) 
Robertson(P) 
Donnelly(P) 
Kedgley 
Robson(P) 
Teller: 
Duncan(P) 
King(P) 
Samuels(P) 
Hughes  
Amendment not agreed to.
Vote: Care of Children Bill — In Committee Procedure 
Vote: Care of Children Bill — In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:621;Page:16699] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That clause 1 be agreed to. 
Ayes 68 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; United Future 8. 
Noes 46 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 5; Maori Party 1. 
Clause 1 agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 297 in the name of the Hon David Benson-Pope to clause 2 be agreed to.
Vote: Fair Trading Amendment Bill (No 3) — Third Reading 
Vote: Fair Trading Amendment Bill (No 3) — Third Reading 
[Volume:609;Page:6920] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Fair Trading Amendment Bill (No 3) be now read a third time. 
Ayes 109 
Labour 52; New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8. 
Noes 8 
ACT New Zealand 8. 
Bill read a third time.
Mark Ron: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Mark Ron: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:624;Page:19642] 
10.  
RON MARK (NZ First) 
 to the  
Minister of Police 
: Was there an armed robbery at the Lone Star Café in Newmarket Auckland on Easter Monday night; if so what was the timing of events from the time of the robbery the first 111 call and the police arriving at the scene of the crime? 
Hon GEORGE HAWKINS (Minister of Police) 
: 
 I am advised that the police received a call from the Lone Star Cafe regarding an armed robbery at 8.56 p.m. The robbery had occurred some 4 minutes earlier. Police staff arrived at 9.06 p.m. 
Ron Mark 
: Why is it that despite the police commenting in the  
New Zealand Herald  
that the incident happened at 10 p.m. three witnesses at the scene of the armed robbery state that the incident occurred at 8.40 p.m.; and can he explain why there has been a deliberate attempt to cover up the true response time that it took for the police to attend this very serious crime scene? 
Hon GEORGE HAWKINS 
: I cannot explain who gives that member information. It amazes me. 
Ron Mark 
: Is it not a fact that his answers yesterday and the information that has been published in the newspaper today from the police which indicates that the Lone Star Cafe was happy with the police response are a result of the Lone Star Cafe in Newmarket not wanting to make an issue of the delayed police response—[ 
Interruption 
] I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. Are you going to throw Lianne Dalziel out of the House? 
Madam SPEAKER 
: Can members please be heard in silence? 
Ron Mark 
: —and that the time that he has given us is not the time that he indicated yesterday; and can he therefore explain to the House what is more important to him: protecting the reputation of a business or getting to the bottom of what truly happened with this 111 call in order to ensure that the lives of patrons of restaurants who are caught in such a situation are not unduly and unnecessarily jeopardised? 
Hon GEORGE HAWKINS 
: No I just answer with the facts. But I would say that the  
New Zealand Herald  
reported that a spokesman from the cafe said that there were no problems with the police getting there or with the handling of the robbery—they had done a very good job.
Vote: Prostitution Reform Bill — Second Reading 
Vote: Prostitution Reform Bill — Second Reading 
[Volume:606;Page:3629] 
A personal vote was called for on the question  
That the Prostitution Reform Bill be now read a second time. 
Ayes 62 
Barker  
Ewen-Street  
King  
Smith L 
Barnett  
Fairbrother 
Locke  
Sowry  
Benson-Pope  
Fitzsimons (P) 
Maharey (P) 
Sutton (P) 
Beyer  
Goff 
Mallard (P) 
Swain 
Bradford  
Gosche (P) 
Mapp (P) 
Tamihere (P) 
Brash (P)  
Hartley  
McCully  
Tanczos (P) 
Burton 
Hawkins 
Okeroa  
Tizard 
Carter C  
Hereora 
Parker 
Turei 
Chadwick  
Hide  
Peck  
Turia 
Clark (P) 
Hobbs 
Pettis  
Ward 
Coddington (P) 
Hodgson (P) 
Pillay 
Williamson (P) 
Cullen (P) 
Horomia (P) 
Rich  
Wilson (P) 
Cunliffe  
Hughes 
Ririnui  
Wong (P) 
Dalziel 
Hunt (P) 
Roy (P) 
Donald  
Kedgley (P) 
Shirley (P) 
Teller: 
Dyson 
Key 
Simich  
Duncan 
Noes 56 
Adams 
Donnelly (P) 
Mahuta  
Scott (P) 
Alexander 
Dunne (P) 
Mark (P) 
Smith M 
Anderton (P) 
Duynhoven (P) 
McNair 
Smith N 
Ardern (P) 
Eckhoff  
Newman 
Stewart 
Awatere Huata  
English (P) 
O’Connor 
te Heuheu  
Baldock 
Field (P) 
Ogilvy 
Tisch  
Brown  
Franks  
Paraone 
Turner 
Brownlee  
Gallagher  
Perry (P) 
Woolerton (P) 
Carter D (P) 
Goudie 
Peters J 
Worth (P) 
Carter J (P) 
Gudgeon 
Peters W (P) 
Yates 
Catchpole 
Heatley  
Power (P) 
Choudhary (P) 
Hutchison (P) 
Robertson  
Connell (P) 
Jones 
Robson  
Copeland 
Laban  
Ryall (P) 
Teller: 
Cosgrove  
Mackey  
Samuels (P) 
Collins 
Bill read a second time.
Vote: Reserve Bank of New Zealand Amendment Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH 
Vote: Reserve Bank of New Zealand Amendment Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH 
[Volume:610;Page:7874] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the motion be agreed to. 
Ayes 84 
Labour 52; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 35 
New Zealand National 27; ACT New Zealand 8. 
Motion agreed to.
Fair Trading Amendment Bill (No 3) — In Committee 
Fair Trading Amendment Bill (No 3) — In Committee 
[Volume:607;Page:4951] 
Fair Trading Amendment Bill (No 3) 
In Committee 
Clause 1Title 
JOHN CARTER (Senior Whip—NZ National) 
: 
 I move 
 That the Committee report progress. 
Motion agreed to.
Ririnui Mita: Ngaa Rauru Kiitahi Claims Settlement Bill — Second Reading 
Ririnui Mita: Ngaa Rauru Kiitahi Claims Settlement Bill — Second Reading 
[Volume:627;Page:21795] 
Hon MITA RIRINUI (Associate Minister in charge of Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations) 
: 
 I want to take a brief call and acknowledge the presence in the House this evening of representatives of Nga Rauru Kitahi and congratulate them on such a tremendous effort in bringing this historical aspect of their lives to an end. I encourage them to go forward from this day and make their people prosper. 
This bill is all about Nga Rauru Kitahi coming out of the age of grievance and into the age of development. From what I hear on the marae around the Taranaki and Wanganui areas Nga Rauru Kitahi certainly has the intelligence within its organisation to achieve exactly that. But in listening to previous speakers one would think it was a dark day for Nga Rauru Kitahi—not a joyous day at all. Although the members have said that they will support this settlement bill at the same time they have many criticisms of it. I wonder whether there is not some sort of double standard going on here in the House. I just remind the House that this is a bill put together and negotiated by the representatives of Nga Rauru Kitahi and the Crown. Overall it has the unanimous support—or as unanimous as possible—of the people of Nga Rauru Kitahi. 
When the Maori Affairs Committee met in Wanganui to hear submissions as usual we expected to receive some submissions that were opposed to this settlement package. That was one of the very rare occasions that I can recall where that did not happen. In fact when what we thought was the opposing group came to the select committee it not only supported the settlement of the Nga Rauru Kitahi claim but also congratulated it on the process that had been undertaken and the level of consultation it had with other iwi in the district. So this is one of those very few bills that can stand up to considerable scrutiny. [ 
Interruption 
] 
I can hear the Green member chattering away in her seat across the House but she should have mentioned those issues when we were in Wanganui and the people were sitting in front of her and not come back to this place in Wellington with double standards and start to attack the very process that Nga Rauru Kitahi had entered into with total support. One wonders what goes on in some people’s minds when they say something in the electorate and something completely different in this House. From time to time one gets sick of listening to them. 
But as I said well done Nga Rauru Kitahi. Go forth and prosper.
Swain Paul: Overseas Investment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
Swain Paul: Overseas Investment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:626;Page:21548] 
Hon PAUL SWAIN (Minister of Labour) 
: 
I move  
That it be an instruction to the Committee of the whole House on the Overseas Investment Bill that it take the bill part by part 
. 
Motion agreed to.
Tisch Lindsay: Retirements — Chief Ombudsman; Appointments — Chief Ombudsman and Ombudsmen 
Tisch Lindsay: Retirements — Chief Ombudsman; Appointments — Chief Ombudsman and Ombudsmen 
[Volume:608;Page:5133] 
LINDSAY TISCH (NZ National—Piako) 
: 
 The National Party has pleasure in supporting motion No. 2 on Sir Brian Elwood’s retirement. As the House is aware there was a function before the Easter adjournment but time did not allow for the official recognition. 
Sir Brian as the Leader of the House has said was appointed Ombudsman in 1992 and was appointed Chief Ombudsman on 14 December 1994. Today this House records with gratitude Sir Brian’s unselfish devotion and distinguished public and local government service. The Office of the Ombudsmen has made considerable progress over the years and has earned the respect of the public and of this House. Sir Brian has enjoyed the confidence of all who have dealt with him and on behalf of the National Party I wish him and Lady Elwood the very best for a long and happy retirement. 
In speaking to motion No. 2 concerning the appointment of Mr John Belgrave I say that this parliamentary appointment has the support of the whole House. John Belgrave much like the person he succeeds has had a distinguished career. Many will know him and know of his qualifications—indeed they will know of his experience. The Leader of the House highlighted some of those positions but I want to add to that. Mr Belgrave has been involved deeply and directly in New Zealand economic and trade policy development and implementation both in New Zealand and overseas. In recent years he has been involved directly in the development and implementation of competition policy right across the economy. Mr Belgrave has had a comprehensive exposure to New Zealand commerce and industry particularly as Secretary of Commerce and through his work with the banking and electricity industries. He also has a good knowledge of consumer interests having had overall responsibility for the Ministry of Consumer Affairs which was part of the Ministry of Commerce. As a consequence he has a very good working knowledge in addition to the policy perspective of New Zealand’s economic regulatory statutes. Mr Belgrave is well suited to the role of Chief Ombudsman and National wishes him every success in this role. 
In speaking to motion No. 3 I say that Mr Mel Smith was appointed an Ombudsman in December 2001 and National supports his reappointment to that position for a period of 2 years commencing 5 June 2003. With Mr John Belgrave Judge Anand Satyanand and Mr Mel Smith as the three Ombudsmen we can be assured of the highest standard of service and commitment. National has pleasure in supporting all three motions.
Vote: Resource Management and Electricity Legislation Amendment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Vote: Resource Management and Electricity Legislation Amendment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:627;Page:22319] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand Labour 51; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 49 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9. 
Abstentions 5 
ACT New Zealand 5. 
Amendments agreed to.
Ewen-Street Ian: Income Tax Bill — Third Reading 
Ewen-Street Ian: Income Tax Bill — Third Reading 
[Volume:616;Page:12536] 
IAN EWEN-STREET (Green) 
: 
 The Green Party is very pleased to support the third reading of the Income Tax Bill. We would particularly like to thank the officials for the very extensive work they have undertaken in rewriting and redrafting the bill to make it more readable and accessible. We commend the bill to the House.
Points of Order — Urgent Question: Public Health Issue 
Points of Order — Urgent Question: Public Health Issue 
[Volume:606;Page:3699] 
Points of Order 
Urgent Question: Public Health Issue 
Hon TONY RYALL (NZ National—Bay of Plenty) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. At lunchtime today I sought your permission to ask an urgent question of the Minister of Health about the public health issue now at Lake Rotoiti near Rotorua and you chose to decline that request. I now seek leave to ask a question of the Minister of Health about those public health concerns. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to ask this question. Is there any objection? There is objection. 
Hon TONY RYALL (NZ National—Bay of Plenty) 
: 
 I seek leave to table documents that show that two scientific researchers who are working on the lake have been taken ill with symptoms consistent with campylobacter. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to table that document. Is there any objection? There is objection.
Hunt Jonathan: Urgent Debates Declined — Local Government—Election Results 
Hunt Jonathan: Urgent Debates Declined — Local Government—Election Results 
[Volume:620;Page:16180] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I have received two applications from members. The first is from Mr Jim Peters seeking to debate under Standing Order 373 the problems that have emerged with the local body election results. This is the same application almost as the one Mr Peters lodged yesterday and it is not accepted for exactly the same reason. There is no particular case of recent occurrence. Mr Peters has attached a statement released by the Minister of Local Government at 1.29 p.m. on Tuesday—that is before the House sat not after it sat as Mr Peters stated in his letter. 
This makes no difference at all to my decision for two reasons. First if the particular case had been the Minister’s statement an application could still have been lodged on Tuesday even though it was within 1 hour of the House sitting—see Speaker’s ruling 150/4. Secondly the particular case is not the Minister’s statement; it is the problems with the local body election results. These emerged last Sunday and the member had plenty of time to raise the matter before the House sat on Tuesday. 
I have received a similar application from the Hon Dr Nick Smith. His case referred to a press release on 13 October in which the Minister asked his officials to work with local government to find alternative ways of counting votes in the outstanding elections. This press release also relates back to the problems identified on Sunday. It is now too late for an urgent debate on the matter. It can be explored in other ways. The application is declined.