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Franks Stephen: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Franks Stephen: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:624;Page:19371] 
11.  
STEPHEN FRANKS (ACT) 
 to the  
Minister of Police 
: Does he understand property owners’ frustration and desire to arm themselves to protect them and their property when the South Auckland dairy owner’s experience suggests the police clearly will not take action and what is his response? 
Hon GEORGE HAWKINS (Minister of Police) 
: 
 The public cannot arm themselves for that purpose. Law enforcement is the responsibility of the police and I expect the police to respond appropriately. 
Stephen Franks 
: Will the Minister then help all dairy owners lonely farm families and women alone by explaining who other than them have the right and the responsibility to protect them when the police have said that they do not even have enough officers to assign to rape cases and have admitted that they do not have the resources to deal with the sheer volume of complaints? 
Hon GEORGE HAWKINS 
: The police have more resources than ever. On 25 February 2005 there were 9847 police staff compared with 8767 when Labour came into Government. Of course the police have the resources to deal with complaints. I will speak to the commissioner about those other cases that were raised in the question. 
Dr Muriel Newman 
: Why are New Zealand women not allowed to carry pepper spray or Mace to protect themselves when it is quite clear that women cannot rely on the police to guarantee their safety especially in light of the evidence we have heard today that rapists are roaming free in south Auckland as a result of nine cases of rape since Christmas that have not even been investigated? 
Hon GEORGE HAWKINS 
: Because it is against the law. 
Stephen Franks 
: Why not change the law? 
Hon GEORGE HAWKINS 
: It is far better to make sure that people do not use arms of any kind to resolve differences and conflicts. 
Rodney Hide 
: I seek leave to table a letter from Sergeant Fogarty to the south Auckland dairy owner on 24 February 2005 saying that due to the sheer volume of complaints and limited resources the police cannot act. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to table that document. Is there any objection? There is objection. The document will not be tabled. 
Hon GEORGE HAWKINS 
: I seek leave to table a media release from the office of the commissioner about the dairy owner in south Auckland. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to table that document. Is there any objection? There is. The document will not be tabled.
Vote: Election of Speaker 
Vote: Election of Speaker 
[Volume:623;Page:18945] 
The Clerk conducted a vote on the question of the election of the Speaker in accordance with Standing Order 19. 
Hon Ken Shirley 5 
Eckhoff 
Prebble 
Shirley 
Wang 
Hide 
Hon Clem Simich 37 
Ardern  
Goudie  
Perry  
Stewart  
Brash  
Gudgeon  
Peters J 
te Heuheu  
Brown  
Heatley  
Peters W 
Tisch  
Brownlee  
Hutchison  
Power  
Turia  
Carter J 
Jones  
Rich  
Williamson  
Catchpole  
Key  
Ryall  
Wong  
Collins  
Mapp  
Simich  
Woolerton  
Connell  
Mark  
Smith L 
Donnelly  
McCully  
Smith N 
English 
McNair  
Sowry  
Margaret Wilson 64 
Adams   
Dalziel   
Hunt   
Ririnui   
Alexander   
Donald   
Kedgley   
Robertson   
Anderton   
Duncan   
King   
Samuels   
Baldock   
Dunne   
Laban   
Smith M 
Barker   
Duynhoven   
Locke   
Swain   
Barnett   
Ewen-Street   
Mackey J 
Tamihere   
Benson-Pope   
Fairbrother   
Mackey M 
Tanczos   
Beyer   
Field   
Maharey   
Tizard   
Bradford   
Gallagher   
Mahuta   
Turei   
Burton   
Gosche   
Mallard   
Turner   
Carter C 
Hartley   
O'Connor   
Ward   
Chadwick   
Hawkins   
Ogilvy   
Wilson   
Choudhary   
Hereora   
Okeroa   
Yates 
Clark   
Hobbs   
Parker   
Cosgrove   
Hodgson   
Peck   
Cullen   
Horomia   
Pettis   
Cunliffe   
Hughes   
Pillay   
Margaret Wilson was elected as Speaker.
Cunliffe David: Aquaculture Reform Bill — First Reading 
Cunliffe David: Aquaculture Reform Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:619;Page:15124] 
Hon DAVID CUNLIFFE (Minister of State) 
: 
 That was a very interesting contribution from that member the chair of the Primary Production Committee who said no doubt as chair that those hundreds of submissions “would not get a fair hearing”. What an interesting comment from the person mandated by this Parliament with guaranteeing the integrity of that process. That was a very sad statement indeed. 
But that chairman’s credibility had been shot long before viz. this point: he called the Hon David Benson-Pope a lazy Minister and said he should get off his chuff. We can count the number of weeks that that Minister has been in his job by the number of fisheries amendment bills there have been. There seems to have been about one a week. I have never seen a Minister produce so much legislation. One cannot call that lacking in productivity; I would call it “primary production”. 
But if David Carter has trouble with numbers obviously his colleague Mr Heatley has worse trouble because he said that Maori already control 45 percent of aquaculture and that as the bill says they will control 20 percent going forward that percentage will go up. I am sorry but the average of 45 and 20 is less than 45. 
The main point about this bill is that it provides certainty and if any member of the National caucus other than the future finance Minister Mr Connell had ever been in business that member would know that business likes certainty. This bill gives certainty. Aquaculture can and will grow.
Power Simon: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Question Time 
Power Simon: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Question Time 
[Volume:610;Page:7440] 
12.  
SIMON POWER (NZ National—Rangitikei) 
 to the  
Minister of Defence 
: Does the Government have any plans to update the New Zealand public on the extent of New Zealand’s military and security assets by way of a white paper or similar document; if not why not? 
Hon MARK BURTON (Minister of Defence) 
: 
 Yes. 
Simon Power 
: How much of the $2 billion of defence spending promised by the Government will be funded from accumulating depreciation as noted by the former chiefs and reported in the  
New Zealand Herald 
 this morning? 
Hon MARK BURTON 
: I can assure the member that all of the long-term development plan will be funded from a combination of capital injections available finance through—[ 
Interruption 
]—I am sorry; I got an interjection from a very helpful colleague—from depreciation and various other matters. 
Simon Power 
: How much? 
Hon MARK BURTON 
: I do not have the exact figures with me. I am happy to provide them to the member. But the key thing is of course that there is a long-term development plan and it does lay out a comprehensive systematic acquisition programme in keeping with the policy framework that this Government published in 2000. 
Tim Barnett 
: Has he seen any other reports on the need to address the state of New Zealand’s military assets? 
Hon MARK BURTON 
: Yes. In the  
New Zealand International Review 
 Simon Power speaking personally is reported as saying: “I acknowledge that the National and National-led Governments did not allow defence spending to keep pace in the 1990s.” Further in relation to the effectiveness of our Defence Force he said: “Courage is no substitute for good policy and appropriate equipment for that policy.” I agree and that is why we put in place a coherent policy and implementation process. 
Keith Locke 
: How does the long-term development plan which the Minister has just referred to help us develop assets for peacekeeping such as we are doing in the Solomon Islands at present? 
Hon Mark Burton 
: What it does is ensure that we have an acquisition process that is rationally and logically based on the defence policy framework that was published in 2000 then outlined in the defence statement of 2001. There is a direct connection between what we are doing in the world and how we are going to do it. 
Simon Power 
: How can the Minister expect us to take his reassurances seriously when even today the deployment of an Air Force Iroquois helicopter was not possible because of the breakdown of the Hercules transport plane? 
Hon MARK BURTON 
: Unlike the member I am not in the habit of attacking our Defence Force personnel when they are working on a very hard and full programme. I can say precisely because the very upgrade programmes that are required to put in place the modernisation of the Air Force are in the long-term development plan. Tenders are being called for. That alone the Air Force upgrades will involve the expenditure of between $900 million and $1.1 billion.
Vote: Public Finance (State Sector Management) Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Public Finance (State Sector Management) Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:622;Page:17936] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 70 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 50 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 9; Maori Party 1. 
Amendments agreed to.
Shirley Ken: Resource Management Amendment Bill (No 2) — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Shirley Ken: Resource Management Amendment Bill (No 2) — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:608;Page:5512] 
Hon KEN SHIRLEY (Deputy Leader—ACT NZ) 
: 
 I would just like to respond to the reference by the Leader of the House to Standing Order 140(1). I believe he is quite right when he says: “When the question for the closure is agreed to the question under debate is put without further amendment or debate.” I was not moving an amendment or debating that issue. I was seeking a point of order to clarify the procedural matter of whether the two steps were discrete which would allow us to then have the dinner break and come back to vote at 7.30. The Chair indicated to me that that was the situation but subsequently changed her mind. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I am bound by the Standing Orders. I refer members to a Standing Order and a Speaker’s ruling: Standing Order 51 “Interruption deferred when vote in progress” and Speaker’s ruling 54/5 made by Mr Speaker Gray in 1991 which covers the situation. That states: “[Standing Order 140] on the closure requires that a closure motion once accepted be put forthwith without amendment or debate. If the motion is carried the main question and any properly proposed amendments tabled before the closure are also put forthwith and decided without further amendment or debate. The Standing Order does not allow the closure to be moved only on an amendment followed by further debate or amendment to the main question. To do so would defeat the purpose of the closure.” I rule that the closure had been properly put and that we must now therefore proceed to the voting on this particular clause.
Beyer Georgina: Social Workers Registration Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
Beyer Georgina: Social Workers Registration Bill — Second Reading In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:607;Page:4857] 
GEORGINA BEYER (NZ Labour—Wairarapa) 
: 
 It is a privilege to speak in the second reading of the Social Workers Registration Bill. As the current chair of the Social Services Committee I would like to acknowledge and credit the Social Services Committee of the previous Parliament which dealt with this bill. Therefore I would like to acknowledge the membership of that particular select committee with its chair Taito Philip Field and Mahara Okeroa Sue Bradford Helen Duncan Dr Liz Gordon Dr Muriel Newman Jill Pettis Katherine Rich Bob Simcock and Anne Tolley. There are a couple of names there that we have not heard for a wee while and it is nice to have them mentioned and given credit for having worked on such an important bill. 
The registration of social workers will enhance not only competence but also credibility and give certainty to the public on the quality of service they could receive from people who work in this area. Social workers are extraordinarily vital to some of the current issues that communities around New Zealand are working on and with. As we do have a numbers problem with social workers we hope that these mechanisms will enhance the work they do and the confidence that the public has in the work they do. It adds to their bona fides in a very positive way. I support the bill.
Turner Judy: New Zealand Council of Law Reporting Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Turner Judy: New Zealand Council of Law Reporting Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:625;Page:20627] 
JUDY TURNER (Deputy Leader—United Future) 
: 
 I stand on behalf of United Future to take a very brief call on the first reading of this bill. We are happy to support this first reading. We believe that any issues of concern are well able to be addressed at the select committee and we look forward to being part of that process.
Vote: Foreshore and Seabed Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Foreshore and Seabed Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:621;Page:17081] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment to the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 11 
Green Party 9; Maori Party 1; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Noes 109 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Amendment to the amendment not agreed to.  
The question was put that the following amendments in the name of Metiria Turei to the amendments to clauses 39 and 40 set out on Supplementary Order Paper 302 in the name of the Hon Dr Michael Cullen be agreed to: 
to omit the omission of these clauses.
Hartley Ann: Appropriation (2003/04 Estimates) Bill — Third Reading Imprest Supply Debate 
Hartley Ann: Appropriation (2003/04 Estimates) Bill — Third Reading Imprest Supply Debate 
[Volume:610;Page:7678] 
Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: The Business Committee can discuss the matter again but the situation is exactly as the Hon Murray McCully has said. It is a matter that is in the Standing Orders now. If the Standing Orders are to change then that is another decision that needs to be taken.
Vote: Employment Relations Law Reform Bill — Second Reading 
Vote: Employment Relations Law Reform Bill — Second Reading 
[Volume:620;Page:15842] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments recommended by the Transport and Industrial Relations Committee by majority be agreed to. 
Ayes 63 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; Progressive 2; Maori Party 1. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Question agreed to.
Vote: Land Transport Management Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Vote: Land Transport Management Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:613;Page:9677] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 33 
New Zealand National 25; ACT New Zealand 8. 
Noes 82 
New Zealand Labour 52; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that Part 1 as amended be agreed to.
Baldock Larry: Tabling of Documents — Doha Declaration on the Family 
Baldock Larry: Tabling of Documents — Doha Declaration on the Family 
[Volume:622;Page:17667] 
LARRY BALDOCK (United Future) 
: 
 I seek leave to table the Doha Declaration on the Family which was presented to the United Nations last Monday. 
Document by leave laid on the Table of the House.
Ririnui Mita: Overseas Investment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
Ririnui Mita: Overseas Investment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:626;Page:21571] 
Hon MITA RIRINUI (Minister of State) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Parker David: Biosecurity Amendment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
Parker David: Biosecurity Amendment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:609;Page:7055] 
DAVID PARKER (NZ Labour—Otago) 
: I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Hartley Ann: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
Hartley Ann: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
[Volume:618;Page:14318] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: The point is that the Chair declares the results on the basis of where the Chair considers the majority lies. That is exactly what I did. I declared the result and a party vote was called for. We are in the process of calling a party vote. 
Rt Hon Winston Peters 
: I raise a point of order—
Barnett Tim: Supreme Court Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Barnett Tim: Supreme Court Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:612;Page:9009] 
TIM BARNETT (NZ Labour—Christchurch Central) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
[Volume:618;Page:14400] 
Ko te tumanako ko te wero ki a tatounga mema o te Whare Paremata kia korero Maori tatou I ngawa katoa. Penawharakautatau e mohioana ki te korero Maori me haere etahi o tatau ki te kohanga reo. I invite our colleagues and all members of Parliament to take up the challenge and learn the Maori language. Perhaps I could help them by advising them to start off with kohanga reo.
Vote: Transport Legislation Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Vote: Transport Legislation Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:621;Page:16911] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 71 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2; Maori Party 1. 
Noes 49 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Motion agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 301 in the name of the Hon Pete Hodgson to Part 1 be agreed to.
Vote: Care of Children Bill — Instruction to Committee Procedure In Committee 
Vote: Care of Children Bill — Instruction to Committee Procedure In Committee 
[Volume:621;Page:16643] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 1 be agreed to. 
Ayes 70 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 49 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; Maori Party 1. 
Part 1 agreed to.
Vote: Protected Objects Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Vote: Protected Objects Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:624;Page:19623] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Protected Objects Amendment Bill be now read a first time. 
Ayes 111 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2; Maori Party 1. 
Noes 8 
ACT New Zealand 8. 
Bill read a first time.Bill referred to the Government Administration Committee.
Hartley Ann: Electoral (Vacancies) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
Hartley Ann: Electoral (Vacancies) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:610;Page:7768] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: The point is that the bill is about how the seat became vacant; not the election of the member.
Brownlee Gerry: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Brownlee Gerry: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:617;Page:12629] 
GERRY BROWNLEE (Deputy Leader—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I know that the Government can transfer questions to other Ministers but in this case it seems that the question is so personal to the Minister that it would be quite ridiculous for anyone else to be able to answer it. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Then the member does not ask it. That is the only other alternative and that has occurred while I have been in the Chair and while my predecessors have been in the Chair. 
GERRY BROWNLEE 
: All right we will give it a go.
Brown Peter: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Procedure Referral to Health Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled  Speaker Recalled In Committee Procedure 
Brown Peter: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Procedure Referral to Health Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled  Speaker Recalled In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:613;Page:10004] 
PETER BROWN (Senior Whip—NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. This book—
Benson-Pope David: Third Readings 
Benson-Pope David: Third Readings 
[Volume:612;Page:9381] 
DAVID BENSON-POPE (Labour—Dunedin South) 
: 
 I seek the leave of the House to table today’s Garrick Tremain cartoon. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to table that. Is there any objection? There is.
Vote: Injury Prevention Rehabilitation and Compensation Amendment Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Injury Prevention Rehabilitation and Compensation Amendment Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:609;Page:6494] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 1 be agreed to. 
Ayes 61 
Labour 52; Green Party 9. 
Noes 55 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 12; ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 8. 
Part 1 agreed to.
Hunt Jonathan: Visitors — Delegation from Eastern Cape Provincial Legislature South Africa 
Hunt Jonathan: Visitors — Delegation from Eastern Cape Provincial Legislature South Africa 
[Volume:610;Page:7211] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I have much pleasure in informing the House that members of the Standing Committee on Traditional Affairs from the Eastern Cape Provincial Legislature Republic of South Africa led by the chairman are present in the gallery. I am sure members would wish that they be welcomed.
Vote: Parental Leave and Employment Protection Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
Vote: Parental Leave and Employment Protection Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
[Volume:621;Page:16415] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments recommended by the Social Services Committee by majority be agreed to. 
Ayes 84 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2; Maori Party 1. 
Noes 33 
New Zealand National 27; ACT New Zealand 6. 
Question agreed to.
Tisch Lindsay: Maori Fisheries Bill — In Committee 
Tisch Lindsay: Maori Fisheries Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:620;Page:15438] 
LINDSAY TISCH (Junior Whip—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. The member was not in the House when the vote was called. I do not think that it is proper that a member then seeks leave to cast a vote after we have already cast our vote. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich) 
: I thank the member for that. I did look at it. The member was actually at the door when her name was called. She is the last one to be called. I accept it and I allow the member to vote. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Pita Paraone to clause 5 be agreed to: 
to insert after the definition of  
subsidiary 
 the following definitions: 
takiwa 
 defining deed of settlement 
 in relation to an iwi— 
(a)means a deed signed by the Crown and the mandated representative of an iwi that identifies an area as the takiwa of the iwi; and 
(b)includes— 
(i)the attachments and schedules to the deed (if any); and 
(ii)any amendments from time to time to the deed or to the attachments or to the schedules. 
takiwa 
 defining enactment 
 in relation to an iwi means an enactment that identifies an area as the takiwa of the iwi.
Hartley Ann: Taxation (Annual Rates GST Trans-Tasman Imputation and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Hartley Ann: Taxation (Annual Rates GST Trans-Tasman Imputation and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:613;Page:10093] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: I remind members that there is a veto on Rod Donald’s amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 171.
Prebble Richard: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Discharge In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Prebble Richard: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Discharge In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:611;Page:8812] 
Hon RICHARD PREBBLE (Leader—ACT NZ) 
: 
 I move  
That the Speaker be recalled to give a ruling on the matter. 
Motion agreed to and House resumed.
Brownlee Gerry: Points of Order — Questions for Oral Answer—Deferment 
Brownlee Gerry: Points of Order — Questions for Oral Answer—Deferment 
[Volume:625;Page:20522] 
GERRY BROWNLEE (Deputy Leader—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. That was an interesting piece of information from Trevor Mallard telling us that the reason George Hawkins is not in the House today is that he has for a long time planned to be at I believe the Bay of Plenty civil defence whatever that might in fact be. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: Please come to the point of order. 
GERRY BROWNLEE 
: I have in front of me the ministerial diaries which are published each week so that the media can know where Ministers are. On the Thursday 12 May page there are no public appointments for Mr Hawkins anywhere around the country but on Friday 13 May—an appropriate day for Mr Hawkins to be anywhere—there is an appointment for Mr Hawkins to be in the Bay of Plenty launching the programme that he has put forward a day. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: I am still not sure what the point of order is. What is the point of order? 
GERRY BROWNLEE 
: Mr Mallard has misled the House. Further we now find that Mr Hawkins who has stood in the House on numerous occasions and said that he is not responsible for and that he does not get involved in operational matters is today supplanting himself in the midst of an operational matter at the Northern Communications Centre. There is no excuse for that Minister not being here and we would ask you to indicate to the Government that it is not good for the House to continue this practice.
Wilson Margaret: Points of Order — Questions for Oral Answer—Deferment 
Wilson Margaret: Points of Order — Questions for Oral Answer—Deferment 
[Volume:625;Page:20523] 
Madam SPEAKER 
: I have just asked the Hon Chris Carter to leave for interrupting a point of order and I am sorry to say that that is what Mr Brownlee was doing also. The member wants me to apply the rules in this Parliament fairly. I have to do so. When points of order are being made there is to be no interruption. So I am sorry but Mr Brownlee will have to leave the Chamber. It is the only way I can conduct the business of this House fairly.
Vote: Prisoners' and Victims' Claims Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Vote: Prisoners' and Victims' Claims Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:626;Page:20950] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 53 
New Zealand National 26; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 6; United Future 8. 
Noes 62 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Marc Alexander to clause 4 be agreed to: 
to insert in its appropriate alphabetical order the following definition: 
restricted period 
 means the period beginning on 31 May 2005 and ending on the close of 31 May 2008 or until the enactment of legislation which restricts the awarding of compensation sought by specified claims in the House of Representatives whichever occurs first.
Vote: Copyright (Parallel Importation of Films and Onus of Proof) Amendment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Third Reading 
Vote: Copyright (Parallel Importation of Films and Onus of Proof) Amendment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:612;Page:9407] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 2 be agreed to. 
Ayes 82 
New Zealand Labour 52; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8. 
Noes 35 
New Zealand National 27; ACT New Zealand 8. 
Part 2 agreed to. 
Bill reported without amendment.
Carter John: Maori Television Service Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled 
Carter John: Maori Television Service Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled 
[Volume:607;Page:5005] 
JOHN CARTER (Senior Whip—NZ National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I take your point but we will get ourselves into some difficulty—and I want the Chair and the Committee to understand that I am also trying to be helpful in the same way as the Minister who has just resumed his seat—because two issues are important. 
I accept your point. You are saying you are unable to change a ruling—which I may at some stage seek some further advice on—but the issue here was this: it is true that the Chair at the time felt that Mr Hide was taking constant points of order and indeed had warned Mr Hide that that was so. She had even indicated that she was at the stage at which she felt that any further points of order on that particular point would be disorderly and cause difficulties for the member. So that indication was clearly signalled. Indeed your ruling now has perhaps exacerbated the problem because Mr Hide asked whether there could be an interpretation. 
But Mr Hide wanted to make a new point which was that even though the Committee had been told that Georgina te Heuheu had interpreted her amendment in English Ms te Heuheu herself had said however that she was quite happy for the interpreter to give an interpretation to the Committee if the Committee required it. The Chair had missed that and I think Mr Hide was trying to draw that to her attention. That was the stage at which the Chair sent him out. 
The second point is a matter of timing—and the senior Labour whip need not wave at me; I am trying to be helpful here. Mr Hide was ejected from the Chamber and there were a couple of speeches just before 6 o’clock. The Chairperson then said to the Committee: “And by the way Mr Hide is out for the rest of the night.” so there was no opportunity for the normal dialogue. In past cases when a member of the National Party has been excluded I have gone to the Chair or the Speaker asked how long the exclusion is for and there has been a bit of a debate and discussion. In this case none of that happened and I think that is unfortunate. I ask whether there may be an opportunity—not right now—for you to go back and readdress that because I do think that Mr Hide has been dealt with quite harshly under the circumstances.
Vote: Future Directions (Working for Families) Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Procedure 
Vote: Future Directions (Working for Families) Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:617;Page:13496] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 1 as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 80 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 8; United Future 8. 
Noes 29 
New Zealand National 22; ACT New Zealand 6; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Part 1 as amended agreed to.
Vote: Social Security (Social Assistance) Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
Vote: Social Security (Social Assistance) Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
[Volume:625;Page:19757] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Social Security (Social Assistance) Amendment Bill be now read a third time. 
Ayes 101 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 18 
ACT New Zealand 8; Green Party 9; Maori Party 1. 
Bill read a third time.
Tamihere John: Estimates Debate — In Committee Procedure 
Tamihere John: Estimates Debate — In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:618;Page:14436] 
Hon JOHN TAMIHERE (Minister for Land Information) 
: 
 That speech was totally without context and I just want to give a bit of context to it. There are 304 leasehold properties in the high country which cover 2 million square hectares of Kiwi land. It is leasehold estate not freehold estate. In 1998 the then National Government with the support of the ACT party—of which that member was a member—passed the Crown Pastoral Land Act. It set a consensus-related negotiation process that either party could walk away from—and they do. We have papers coming through the Cabinet process now. We have a whole negotiation and consultation process for the high-country farmers. They are fully informed as to how we are bringing certainty and definition to this process. 
 The member raised the issue of the Overseas Investment Commission. Dr Michael Cullen has just recently released this Government’s review of the Overseas Investment Commission. We are out of the 40 OECD countries one of the fifth most regulated countries with regard to foreign direct investment in our land. We acknowledge the high-country estate as being of significant value not just to high-country farmers but also to every Kiwi. It is iconic. It is of the utmost highest cultural social and political value to Kiwis and New Zealanders want it retained in the public estate. 
I conclude by acknowledging the work that the Government is conducting in the high country with consultation. We do understand that generations of families have worked the area. We do understand their strong commitment to the extent of our even acknowledging that they have a cultural attachment to the high country. The ACT party when it comes to Maori-related issues does not want to hear anything about cultural attachment but we as a Government of the people of all communities even acknowledge that high-country farmers do have a spiritual and cultural attachment to that estate. When the boot is on the other foot the ACT party challenges Maori having the same right. 
I also wanted to make one other point very carefully and clearly to Mr Gerry Eckhoff. This Government provides certainty and definition. This Government provides clear decision-making. That member abstained on voting for the leadership of his own party. He could not make up his own mind and what did he get? He got “Shrek Jnr” for leader. 
That answers the questions raised by that honourable member and I would like to conclude there. 
Vote agreed to.
Hide Rodney: Points of Order — Replies to Written Questions—Adequacy 
Hide Rodney: Points of Order — Replies to Written Questions—Adequacy 
[Volume:620;Page:15867] 
RODNEY HIDE (Leader—ACT) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I just want to respond very briefly to the Hon Mark Burton’s point. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Is this a point of order or a response? 
RODNEY HIDE 
: Yes it is. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: What is the point of order? 
RODNEY HIDE 
: My point of order is this. I agree with the Hon Mark Burton that in the normal course of events one would write straight to the Minister. But the difficulty that we have is that we have had a whole systemic series of answers that are half-answers. It is a pattern that exists. It is not one particular question that has not been answered; it is a pattern. One gets an answer that says to go to the web page and one spends time looking at that; that is the pattern we are having and it is a pattern of sort of duplicity and evasiveness in these answers that I am drawing to your attention—not a particular question. You know yourself Mr Speaker that whenever I have had problems with particular questions I have gone to the Minister and I have dealt with that in that way. What I am telling you now is that this is something quite different: it is systemic
Burton Mark: Business of the House 
Burton Mark: Business of the House 
[Volume:616;Page:12429] 
Hon MARK BURTON (Deputy Leader of the House) 
: 
 Pursuant to an agreement I reached with members of parties earlier on as I indicated during the Committee I now seek leave for the House to move to Government notice of motion No. 2 and at the conclusion of that should the time be before 10 p.m. for the House at that point to rise for the evening. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Is there any objection to that course of action being taken? There appears to be none.
Mackey Moana: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Mackey Moana: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:619;Page:15109] 
12.  
MOANA MACKEY (Labour) 
 to the  
Minister of Tourism 
: What announcements has he made this week concerning the implementation of the New Zealand Tourism Strategy 2010? 
Hon MARK BURTON (Minister of Tourism) 
: 
 This week at the New Zealand Tourism Conference I announced a number of initiatives developed out of recommendations of the strategy. These included a postgraduate tourism research scholarship fund; $1.4 million over 3 years towards a major tourism yield research programme in partnership with the Tourism Industry Association and Lincoln University; and funding towards the promotion and utilisation of the Tourism Planning Toolkit in partnership with Local Government New Zealand. 
Moana Mackey 
: What have been the key factors contributing to the successful implementation of the strategy? 
Hon MARK BURTON 
: As with the development of the strategy itself the success of its implementation has reflected the extent to which this Government has worked with key sector interests including the Tourism Industry Association Local Government New Zealand Tourism New Zealand education and training providers and key operators such as the Hotel Council and the Inbound Tour Operators Council of New Zealand to effect positive working relationships.
Smith Murray: Civil Union Bill — In Committee Procedure 
Smith Murray: Civil Union Bill — In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:622;Page:17590] 
MURRAY SMITH (United Future) 
: 
 If Ms Kedgley thinks that locking pastors up in Sweden simply because they quote passages from the Bible against homosexuality is not something that shows a decay in that society then obviously we have quite a different point of view. As my colleague says tolerance goes out the window in societies that are opening up the whole issue of so-called human rights.
Ward Mike: Registered Architects Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
Ward Mike: Registered Architects Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:625;Page:19931] 
MIKE WARD (Green) 
: 
 If landscape architects or software architects want to set themselves up to design buildings prepare plans and specifications for buildings or supervise the construction of buildings then they may not use the title “architect” because it is quite clear that the proposed amendment to clause 7 on Supplementary Order Paper 354 reserves that title for people who are registered as architects and who have the appropriate qualifications as architects. No one else can use that title. If people go along to a landscape architect or a software architect to get their house designed then they probably deserve what they get. It is very clear in this bill that that term is reserved. The provision is phrased: “(1A) No person who designs buildings prepares plans and specifications for buildings or supervises the construction of buildings may use the title “architect” unless he or she is a registered architect.” That is very very clear to me. 
Stephen Franks 
: So what do they do with their qualification? What do they do with their degree? 
MIKE WARD 
: Their qualifications are guaranteed by the fact that they are registered. Clearly a person will not get registered if he or she is a landscape architect or software architect. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Lindsay Tisch to the amendment to clause 7 set out on Supplementary Order Paper 354 in the name of the Hon Chris Carter be agreed to: 
to omit from proposed new subclause (1A) the word “prepares” and substitute the words “draws plans and prepares specifications”.
Hereora Dave: Films Videos and Publications Classification  Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
Hereora Dave: Films Videos and Publications Classification  Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
[Volume:623;Page:18719] 
DAVE HEREORA (Labour) 
: 
 I take the opportunity to stand alongside my colleagues in support of the Films Videos and Publications Classification Amendment Bill. In doing so I suppose I acknowledge the most important reforms that the bill provides against the alarming growth in the trade of child pornography via the Internet. I now have some confidence that for those of us who have computers at home and who have children there are some protections against in particular those who distribute child pornography in the proposed prison sentences the bill provides. 
To that end I also acknowledge the chairperson of the Government Administration Committee for steering its members to the conclusion of this bill. Finally I say that I support it.
Pettis Jill: Sittings of the House 
Pettis Jill: Sittings of the House 
[Volume:625;Page:20486] 
JILL PETTIS (Senior Whip—Labour) 
: 
 As we know on Wednesday during the general debate members have only 5 minutes to speak. The next member is about to take his call and will get only 2 minutes before the House rises for the dinner break. I seek the leave of the House for us to rise now so that the next member can have an uninterrupted speech after 7.30 p.m. 
Rt Hon Winston Peters 
: How about I go until 6 o’clock? I seek leave for that. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: The member can seek leave himself.
Pettis Jill: Taxation (Disaster Relief) Bill — Procedure First Reading Second Reading Third Reading 
Pettis Jill: Taxation (Disaster Relief) Bill — Procedure First Reading Second Reading Third Reading 
[Volume:616;Page:11674] 
JILL PETTIS (Labour—Whanganui) 
: 
 I want to take a brief call because we are approaching the dinner hour and I do not want to cause the interruption of the next speech. I commend this bill to the House. The Government has responded very carefully and wisely and with a long-term view to this disaster. I think the use of the word “disaster” is entirely appropriate. It is not being used in an emotive sense at all because anybody who has visited the huge geographical area that has been so adversely affected could not help but use such a description. 
This bill will provide practical relief for the businesses that have been so adversely affected. As one of the MPs who represent the affected area I am delighted at the flexibility that the Government and its many agencies have applied. As the agencies and organisations are now moving into the next stage of recovery I am pleased at the comments that have been made by people as I have moved around not only my electorate but other electorates in close proximity. People have expressed their appreciation of the tremendous assistance they have received from Government agencies. Their praise makes one feel very humble. When we look at the dreadful situation that they are living in and will have to live with for a long time it is humbling that they still have enough heart and compassion to commend agencies for the support that has been given to them. 
I want to place on the record my appreciation of the outstanding service that all the Government agencies have provided to people. A resolution to that effect was passed at the regional chiefs meeting in Feilding on Friday—a meeting of mayors and chief executive officers in the central district. All of their areas have been affected by the recent floods and their resolution was to the effect that they commended the Government for its outstanding response to this disaster. I was very pleased and humbled to hear that passed while I was at the meeting. 
One of the other aspects I have been pleased to see is that we have looked outside the square a little in our response to this disaster. We are acknowledging openly perhaps for the first time that a degree of psychological support will be required for people in the long term as they come to grips with the enormity of the situation. Dr Gordon a post-disaster specialist has come over from Australia and is assisting people to cope in the long term as they learn to live with the magnitude of their loss. If I have heard the term “flexibility” once I have heard it a hundred times in the last month as the Government has encouraged all its agencies to be flexible in their response to this situation. The recruiting of people like Dr Gordon is an example of the flexibility that has been applied. 
The amount of assistance required is huge and it will be ongoing for a long time. I am very pleased to support this bill and welcome the universal support for it in the House.
Hunt Jonathan: Urgent Debates Declined — Prisons—Overcrowding 
Hunt Jonathan: Urgent Debates Declined — Prisons—Overcrowding 
[Volume:620;Page:15386] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I have received a letter from Stephen Franks seeking to debate under Standing Order 373 the issue of overcrowding in prisons and police jails in two reported statements by Ministers. The Ministers’ comments relate to actions that are likely to occur in the near future. There is therefore no particular case of recent occurrence that would give grounds for a debate. The application is declined.
Prebble Richard: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Prebble Richard: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
[Volume:608;Page:5995] 
Hon RICHARD PREBBLE (Leader—ACT NZ) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. If the Minister is in the precincts of the House surely there is an obligation on him to answer the question. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I have just been informed by the whips that the Minister is on leave.
Prebble Richard: Taxation (Annual Rates Venture Capital and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill — In Committee 
Prebble Richard: Taxation (Annual Rates Venture Capital and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:622;Page:17366] 
Hon RICHARD PREBBLE (ACT) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I would like to know why the ACT party vote is being called for after the Green Party vote. Parties should be called in order of precedence and we are a larger party. I am deeply offended at our being asked to vote after the Greens. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich) 
: I apologise to the member. He is absolutely right and the Clerk has apologised. I think in that case we should run through the order again.