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Prasad Rajen: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Prasad Rajen: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Dr RAJEN PRASAD (Labour) 
: 
 This is again a very brief call on clauses 22 and 23 in Part 2 of the Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill. We have already articulated the views of this side of the Chamber that here is a major change and we are a little bit suspicious because we think some of the provisions are the ticking-the-box type of approach that Grant Robertson talked about earlier. 
 I wonder about the reference here to income-tested benefits. What has happened is that we have changed the terminology from “benefit” to “payment”. That is then used consistently in clauses 22 and 23 and elsewhere as well. I wonder whether the Minister in the chair the Associate Minister for Social Development could explain why there was that change what it is that the Minister is trying to convey through this particular change and whether those payments will still be counted as benefits down the track when we begin to count to see whether benefit numbers have gone up or down. We know that the independent youth benefit which is the one that is replaced here by a youth payment was one that was specifically designed some years ago and we know that those who are on that benefit generally have somehow fallen on bad times in their relationship with their family and their parents and they got that particular benefit. Now it is going to be a payment—a youth payment. So if the Minister could just explain to us why there is this change what the implications are of this change and whether the payments will still be counted as benefits down the track when we count the number of people on benefits or whether they will be taken out of the benefit count as well. It looks like a technical amendment but I want to know what was behind it. If the Minister could give us some explanations of that it would be very helpful. Thank you. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 83 in the name of the Hon Paula Bennett to Part 2 be agreed to.
Tisch Lindsay: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Tisch Lindsay: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 17 July 2012. Volume:681;Page:3610. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: This is debate on clauses 22 to 27 and schedule 2.
Vote: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 1 as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 64 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Mana 1. 
Part 1 as amended agreed to.
Vote: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 57 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Mana 1. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to.
Vote: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 17 July 2012. Volume:681;Page:3609. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 57 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Mana 1. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Jacinda Ardern to clause 20 be agreed to: 
replace new section 174 with: 
174Sanctions for failure by young person receiving young parent payment to comply with obligations under section 170 
If satisfied that a young person receiving a young parent payment has without good and sufficient reason failed to comply with an obligation placed on him or her by section 170 the chief executive must for a failure suspend the in-hand allowance and any incentive payments until the young person satisfies the obligation (or if he or she has failed to comply with 2 or more obligations until he or she satisfies all of them).
Vote: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 17 July 2012. Volume:681;Page:3608. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 57 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Mana 1. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Amendments not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Dr Megan Woods to clause 20 be agreed to: 
in new section 157 after “approved training means an employment-related training course approved by the chief executive” insert “or trades training course through the Skills for Canterbury package”.
Vote: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 64 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Mana 1. 
Amendments agreed to.
Sabin Mike: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Sabin Mike: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 17 July 2012. Volume:681;Page:3608. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
MIKE SABIN (National—Northland) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
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Ngaro Alfred: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Ngaro Alfred: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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ALFRED NGARO (National) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
. 
Jacinda Ardern 
: Mr Chair— 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: I am sorry you have had all your calls. I am going to hear from Kris Faafoi.
Macindoe Tim: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Macindoe Tim: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 17 July 2012. Volume:681;Page:3605. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
TIM MACINDOE (National—Hamilton West) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
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Roy Eric: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Roy Eric: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 17 July 2012. Volume:681;Page:3585. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: I have had time to reflect on my ruling as well and it would appear to me that it is probably in order in the context of the debate to speak not only to the amendment but to the certificate as well. The sign of a good operator is someone who can change their mind.
Hipkins Chris: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Hipkins Chris: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 17 July 2012. Volume:681;Page:3585. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
CHRIS HIPKINS (Senior Whip—Labour) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I just want to get a clarification from you regarding the ruling that we just heard before. You took me somewhat off guard there. I have now had the chance to look at the Standing Orders and I refer particularly to Standing Order 322(4) which says that “Any certificate may be debated on the House’s next consideration of the bill amendment motion or Vote.” I want to just check with you that although the amendment has been ruled out of order it is still legitimate for the Green Party to speak to their amendment and debate the certificate on their amendment. I think the amendment has been put forward in good faith in accordance with the provisions that require the party to put it forward within a certain period of time and it would seem to be contrary to that to then say that it could not speak to it.
Vote: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 17 July 2012. Volume:681;Page:3570. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 2 as amended be agreed to 
Ayes 64 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Mana 1. 
Part 2 as amended agreed to.
Roy Eric: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Roy Eric: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: I have had a look at the vote—at the outcome—and it will not change the result but it changes the numbers. So I can assure the Committee of that. Leave is sought for that purpose. Is there anyone opposed to that course of action? There appears not. The record will be amended.
Woodhouse Michael: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Woodhouse Michael: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 17 July 2012. Volume:681;Page:3584. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
MICHAEL WOODHOUSE (Senior Whip—National) 
: 
 I seek leave to amend a vote cast by me on behalf of the Maori Party to the Minister’s amendments on Parts 1 and 2 of the Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: That is a reversal of the vote is it? 
MICHAEL WOODHOUSE 
: It will be yes.
Tisch Lindsay: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Tisch Lindsay: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 17 July 2012. Volume:681;Page:3575. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: This is debate on clauses 4 to 21 and schedule 1.
Vote: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 17 July 2012. Volume:681;Page:3575. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That clause 3 be agreed to. 
Ayes 64 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Mana 1. 
Clause 3 agreed to. 
Bill to be reported with amendment presently.
Vote: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 17 July 2012. Volume:681;Page:3575. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That clause 2 be agreed to. 
Ayes 64 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Mana 1. 
Clause 2 agreed to.
O'Connor Damien: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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O'Connor Damien: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 17 July 2012. Volume:681;Page:3565. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon DAMIEN O’CONNOR (Labour—West Coast - Tasman) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. Can I just say that the buzzer is pathetic and it is actually a little confusing at times. I am a little deaf and I did just about miss that.
Vote: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 17 July 2012. Volume:681;Page:3575. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That clause 1 be agreed to. 
Ayes 64 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Mana 1. 
Clause 1 agreed to.
Roy Eric: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Roy Eric: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 17 July 2012. Volume:681;Page:3570. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: The other way round. Leave is sought for that purpose. Is there anyone opposed to that course of action? There appears not. Leave is granted. The record will be amended. It is corrected by leave. 
Schedule agreed to.
Browning Steffan: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Browning Steffan: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 17 July 2012. Volume:681;Page:3570. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
STEFFAN BROWNING (Green) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I seek leave to amend the vote for Mana for the Minister’s Supplementary Order Paper on Part 1. Mana voted 1 opposed and I inadvertently voted in favour for Mana. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: So that is to the Minister’s amendments that were set out on Supplementary Order Papers 72 73 and 82. The member is seeking leave to change from Mana’s No vote to an Aye vote. 
STEFFAN BROWNING 
: The other way round.
Vote: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 17 July 2012. Volume:681;Page:3570. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 60 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 3; Mana 1. 
Amendment agreed to. 
The result corrected after originally being announced as Ayes 64 Noes 57.
Roy Eric: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Roy Eric: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 17 July 2012. Volume:681;Page:3569. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: I think I understand. The member has a point of order relating to a previous vote. We will deal with that immediately after this vote.
Browning Steffan: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Browning Steffan: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 17 July 2012. Volume:681;Page:3569. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
STEFFAN BROWNING (Green) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson.
Macindoe Tim: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Macindoe Tim: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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TIM MACINDOE (National—Hamilton West) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
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Motion agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 72 in the name of the Hon David Carter to add new clause 20 be agreed to. 
A party vote was called for on the question that the amendment be agreed to.
Roy Eric: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Roy Eric: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 17 July 2012. Volume:681;Page:3568. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: I look forward to the Hon Shane Jones who knows that the debate on clauses 1 and 2 is the time for the summary of the debate and this is about the miscellaneous and transitional provisions.
Roy Eric: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Roy Eric: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: Before the member Shane Ardern starts I say that I did give a caution that this is largely technical. It is about transition matters and the member who was just speaking did get well outside of that. If members do not want to talk on Part 2 you are inviting the Chair to take an early closure motion. That is how it works.
Roy Eric: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Roy Eric: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: We will probably now have to wait until the dinner adjournment when the technicians will come running and fix it. I do hope that the member was not implying that I was pathetic when he talked about the buzzer. Rest assured if I press the buzzer and the member does not notice I will let them know.
Roy Eric: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Roy Eric: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: I just want to acquaint the Committee with the contents of Part 2. We have had some general comment. This is quite a technical section that deals with repeals and it is coupled with the schedule which members might also want to look at. I do not intend to allow the debate to be an extension of the debate on Part 1. Having said that is any member seeking the call?
Browning Steffan: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Browning Steffan: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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STEFFAN BROWNING (Green) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I need to make a correction for Mana. Mana did support the Maori Party’s amendment and I incorrectly voted for it. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: The vote was not called. 
STEFFAN BROWNING 
: Right and that was— 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: No the vote was not called so there is nothing to correct. It was carried on the Ayes. OK.
Vote: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 17 July 2012. Volume:681;Page:3563. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 1 as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 64 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Mana 1. 
Part 1 as amended agreed to.
Vote: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 17 July 2012. Volume:681;Page:3563. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 60 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 3; Mana 1. 
Amendments agreed to. 
The result corrected after originally being announced as Ayes 65 Noes 56.
Vote: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 17 July 2012. Volume:681;Page:3563. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 42 
New Zealand Labour 34; New Zealand First 8. 
Noes 79 
New Zealand National 59; Green Party 14; Maori Party 3; Mana 1; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendments in the name of Te Ururoa Flavell to Part 1 be agreed to: 
in clause 5 after the definition of “commodity 
” 
 insert: 
contestable 
 in relation to a market means a market in which a competitor to new co-op that is at least as efficient as new co-op could expect to earn a reasonable return on its efficient investment and  
contestability  
has a corresponding meaning; and 
in new section 150A in clause 13 replace “while” with “by”. 
Amendments not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Papers 72 73 and 82 in the name of the Hon David Carter to Part 1 be agreed to.
Carter David: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Carter David: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 17 July 2012. Volume:681;Page:3555. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon DAVID CARTER (Minister for Primary Industries) 
: 
 The member who has just spoken Richard Prosser suggests that we should accept the amendment proposed by the Hon Damien O’Connor as a measure of good faith. As I attempted to explain to the Committee earlier this is about passing legislation the Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill and being involved in this legislation where we need to be. It is not about telling Fonterra the size of its fund. That is clearly something that Fonterra has recognised is its business. That is why it proposed a vote on it in the last referendum it had amongst its shareholders. But if I want to give the member any advice around operating with good faith and if the member ever wants to successfully move a Supplementary Order Paper with a Government then in engaging in good faith the member should discuss it with the Government. It would be worth noting to the Committee today that the earliest I knew of this amendment by the Hon Damien O’Connor was at approximately 10 o’clock this morning when he emailed it through to my office. So that does not suggest to me good faith. But regardless of that I do not intend to involve myself in passing legislation simply to establish good faith when I know that public policy wise it is wrong. 
The second comment I want to make is about the one that is coming from the Labour Party that this is the demise of the cooperative. Give the shareholders of Fonterra far more credit than that and stop belittling them. If they thought for one minute that this was the demise of the cooperative they would not have voted for it. They are not dumb. These people are bright business people with huge investments in their farms and in their shares in Fonterra. They have analysed this issue carefully there has been a huge amount of press for them to be involved in to understand the issue and the vast majority—66.45 percent—voted for it. That is an absolute clear majority. How Damien O’Connor can interpret that as 50 percent leaves me absolutely speechless. 
The last point I want to comment on is a further Supplementary Order Paper 82 which I have presented for the Committee. I have presented this Supplementary Order Paper which moves the existing text from section 150C(1)(ba) into the purpose statement for the milk price regime in section 150A. In particular section 150C(1)(ba) stated that “any notional costs revenues or other assumptions taken into account in calculating the base milk price must be practically feasible for an efficient processor.” Moving this to the purpose statement directly links the requirement for assumptions to be practically feasible with the achievement of contestability. This is intended to improve clarity in relation to the existing Government policy; it does not represent a change in Government policy—it does not represent a change in Government policy.
Tisch Lindsay: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Tisch Lindsay: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 17 July 2012. Volume:681;Page:3608. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: The next amendment in the name of Jan Logie as set out on Supplementary Order Paper 78 has been ruled out of order as the Government has exercised its financial veto. 
The question was put that the following amendments in the name of Jacinda Ardern to Part 1 be agreed to: 
to delete clause 18; and 
to delete clause 19.
Dean Jacqui: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Dean Jacqui: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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11. 
JACQUI DEAN (National—Waitaki) 
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Minister of Corrections 
: What progress has been made on the Government’s goal of getting more prisoners into employment and education? 
Hon ANNE TOLLEY (Minister of Corrections) 
: 
 I am pleased to advise the House that the average number of prisoners in formal on-the-job training and trade training activities has increased to 3144 during June exceeding the target numbers. This is the highest-ever level of prisoner involvement in employment activities. In addition prisoners engaged in employment activities have achieved 140599 New Zealand qualifications framework credits through 2011-12 exceeding all targets and significantly ahead of last year’s achievement of 108000 credits. 
Jacqui Dean 
: Has the Minister seen any research on what impact employment training in prisons has on reoffending rates? 
Hon ANNE TOLLEY 
: Yes; research undertaken last year by the Department of Corrections shows that prisoner employment leads to reduced reoffending. The research found that reoffending within 12 months of a prisoner’s release reduced by 8 percentage points for those who worked in corrections inmate employment and 16.7 percentage points for those who participated in the Release to Work programme. It also found that longer periods in employment while in prison were associated with even lower rates of reconviction. That is why this Government is committed to increasing prisoner employment and skills training significantly over the next 5 years as a key strategy to reducing offending by 25 percent by 2017.
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Robertson H V Ross: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 17 July 2012. Volume:681;Page:3544. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: We come to the Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill and the question is that Part 1 stand part. I might say to members that debate is on clauses 5 through to 16 and the schedule. I call the Hon Damien O’Connor.
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Twyford Phil: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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12. 
PHIL TWYFORD (Labour—Te Atatu) 
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Minister of Transport 
: How much money is budgeted for spending on investigation and design on the roads of national significance in the next three financial years over and above the $216 million that has been spent since 2009? 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (Minister of Transport) 
: 
 Based on current forecast funding the New Zealand Transport Agency has budgeted for $138 million over the years 2012 to 2015 for the investigation and design of roads of national significance. After 2015 there remains some $90 million to complete the investigation and design of current projects in the roads of national significance programme. This expenditure to date represents less than 3 percent of project costs of around $8.7 billion. 
Phil Twyford 
: Will spending on consultants continue to make up 90 percent of expenditure on investigation and design work for the roads of national significance? 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE 
: Unfortunately I missed the figure that the member— 
Mr SPEAKER 
: It would help if the honourable member would repeat his question. 
Phil Twyford 
: Will spending on consultants continue to make up 90 percent of expenditure on investigation and design work for the roads of national significance? 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE 
: The national Land Transport Management Act was amended in 2008 and section 97 requires that the New Zealand Transport Agency farm out as much of the work that it does as possible. That amendment was supported by both the Labour and Green parties. 
Phil Twyford 
: How much of the $16 million spent on the investigation and design of the Puhoi to Wellsford road of national significance was spent on the Warkworth to Wellsford section and will this project be subject to the same value-for-money analysis as the Otaki to Levin project? 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE 
: I do not have that information to hand. I am happy to provide it for the member at another occasion. 
Phil Twyford 
: Does he agree with Ken Shirley of the Road Transport Forum when he said that some of the roads of national significance are gold-plated and appear “to be absorbing all the investment funding in the land transport fund leading to inadequate money for renewal and upgrading of other state highways and local roads.” and is he concerned that even the staunchest defenders of the roads of national significance are now deserting him? 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE 
: No and I am quite sure that most of Mr Shirley’s members would not agree with him either.
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Macindoe Tim: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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8. 
TIM MACINDOE (National—Hamilton West) 
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Minister for Social Development 
: How will the Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill provide greater support for young people at risk of long-term welfare dependency? 
Hon PAULA BENNETT (Minister for Social Development) 
: 
 The bill makes changes to put in place total wraparound support for young people—those who are on benefit and those who are not on benefit—including young teen parents. Currently we just pay these young people who are on a benefit and leave them to it with very little follow-up and very little support around them. We are putting a youth provider alongside each young person to support them manage their benefit and provide parenting and budgeting assistance as well as ensuring they are in education training or work-based learning. 
Tim Macindoe 
: How will the changes ensure that young people are incentivised to make the right choices? 
Hon PAULA BENNETT 
: When looking at the kinds of behaviours that we wanted from these young people we looked at whether or not we incentivise or whether or not we penalise. I am pleased that we are putting in incentive payments. We will pay a young person on a benefit an extra payment—for example if they are 6 months in education training or work-based learning; if they complete a budgeting programme; and if young parents complete a parenting programme enrol their children with a primary health organisation and have done their Well Child checks. They can actually get up to $30 extra a week. 
Tim Macindoe 
: When will the changes under the youth package take effect? 
Hon PAULA BENNETT 
: As a number of bills have been progressed through the House recently this bill’s current implementation date requires amendment. We are seeking to change the current implementation date for the bill to 20 August 2012. This will give more time following enactment for several procedural steps which include developing the necessary regulations or Order in Council to accompany the legislation as well as consultation with relevant parties. Particularly though we were concerned about giving the right kind of notice to those young people and wanted to give at least 2 weeks for that to happen.
Sabin Mike: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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5. 
MIKE SABIN (National—Northland) 
 to the  
Associate Minister of Health 
: What recent announcements has he made regarding the regulation of psychoactive substances? 
Hon PETER DUNNE (Associate Minister of Health) 
: 
 Yesterday I announced Cabinet’s approval to proceed with a new regime regulating the availability and distribution of psychoactive substances. This regime reverses the onus of proof meaning that if it cannot be demonstrated that a product is safe or of minimal risk then it is not going anywhere near the market place. New legislation will be introduced to allow the sale of only those substances that have gone through a robust testing process to be proven to be of low risk. Psychoactive substances pose a risk to consumers as they have unknown health effects and are currently marketed without any control over their ingredients their potency or their quality and without a minimum purchase age. And I note with some pleasure that the steps we announced yesterday have been recognised positively in a range of media articles today including comments from the New Zealand Police the National Poisons Centre and the New Zealand Drug Foundation. 
Mike Sabin 
: What are the implications of shifting the onus of proof regarding the safety of these substances to the manufacturer or distributor? 
Hon PETER DUNNE 
: Let me put it this way. Last week I announced that four new substances were being banned under the current temporary drug-class notice regime. That brought the total number of substances dealt with under that regime since last August to 28—around 50 different products. But we are always catching up with products that become available on the market. Under the new regime only those substances that have met testing requirements broadly similar to those required for new medicines will be permitted and those products that do meet that criteria may well then be subject to further restrictions around the place of sale the purchase age advertising and labelling. 
Mike Sabin 
: When does the new regulatory regime come into effect? 
Hon PETER DUNNE 
: It is my intention to have legislation before the House in the last part of this year. I hope that would be passed by the middle of next year. We can roll over the existing 12-month bans that have already been issued until that time. I invite the support of all parties in this House for this worthwhile legislation.
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4. 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First) 
 to the  
Minister of Finance 
: Does the Government’s economic strategy support the development of New Zealand-owned financial institutions? 
Hon BILL ENGLISH (Minister of Finance) 
: 
 Yes it does and New Zealanders can support the development of New Zealand - owned financial institutions such as banks by switching from larger overseas-owned banks to New Zealand - owned banks. 
Rt Hon Winston Peters 
: Does he agree that if one outcome of the review of KiwiSaver default providers is that the number of default providers should be expanded then Kiwibank should have preference over foreign-owned banks? 
Hon BILL ENGLISH 
: Well the member is a bit ahead of the review of default providers. Kiwibank has just recently bought a large KiwiSaver provider and I would expect that it will be able to build on that success. But I certainly could not prejudge the outcome of a review that has not begun yet. 
Hon Trevor Mallard 
: In light of the Minister of Finance’s recommendation as to switching to New Zealand - owned banks will he provide leadership by switching the Government accounts in that way? 
Hon BILL ENGLISH 
: As the member may know currently the Government is going through a process of looking at the 20 year - plus banking arrangement it has had with Westpac to see whether it can get further improvement in service and value for money and I would not want to prejudge the outcome of that. 
Rt Hon Winston Peters 
: Given his primary answer will he therefore assure the public that Australian-owned Westpac’s intensive lobbying campaign to become a KiwiSaver default provider will not be influenced by the fact that former National Minister Simon Power holds a senior role with Westpac and Mr English’s press secretary Grant Fleming is set to become Westpac’s government relations manager? 
Hon BILL ENGLISH 
: I am not aware of any such lobbying campaign. The Government—[ 
Interruption 
] Well I am not. The Government is committed to—and I think required by statute to have—a review of KiwiSaver default providers by 2013 and that will be going ahead.
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Mr SPEAKER 
: I have much pleasure in informing the House that a parliamentary delegation from the House of Representatives of Indonesia led by Mrs Ledia Hanifa Amaliah member of Parliament is present in the gallery. I am sure members would wish that the delegation be welcomed.
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Tuesday 17 July 2012 
Mr Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Prayers 
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Visitors 
Indonesia—Parliamentary Delegation House of Representatives 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I have much pleasure in informing the House that a parliamentary delegation from the House of Representatives of Indonesia led by Mrs Ledia Hanifa Amaliah member of Parliament is present in the gallery. I am sure members would wish that the delegation be welcomed.
Vote: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 57 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Mana 1. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Jacinda Ardern to clause 20 be agreed to: 
replace new section 179(5) with: 
(5) A payment card voucher or device that enables a young person to obtain goods or services from a particular supplier and enables the supplier to obtain payment from the department for the goods or services will only be provided replacing payment to the youth personally where the youth has demonstrated an inability to manage their finances as determined by the chief executive or has incurred debt over a period of 8 weeks or more.
Vote: Social Security (Youth Support and Work Focus) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 64 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Mana 1. 
Motion agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Papers 75 and 83 in the name of the Hon Paula Bennett to Part 1 be agreed to.
Vote: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 64 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Mana 1. 
Motion agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 85 in the name of the Hon Damien O’Connor to clause 8 be agreed to.
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MICHAEL WOODHOUSE (Senior Whip—National) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
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MARK MITCHELL (National—Rodney) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
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Hon DAVID CARTER (Minister for Primary Industries) 
: 
 The member Phil Goff has asked whether I could comment on Fonterra’s support for Supplementary Order Paper 85 in the name of Mr Damien O’Connor. The first thing is that I can assure you the Government has not taken a position on the basis of the lack of consultation from the Labour Party with the Government—the fact that it has operated in bad faith rather than good faith. I would expect nothing else from Damien O’Connor frankly. 
With regard to Fonterra’s support I have spoken to Fonterra. It does not support this amendment. It is prepared to accept it. It intends to operate the fund at probably around 10 percent of the total shareholding. It moved itself a constitutional motion in the last vote to limit it to 20 percent and it intends to do that again. So Fonterra’s attitude is that if Mr O’Connor strikes it at 23 percent it will be so far above the threshold of any intention of Fonterra to operate the size of the fund that frankly it is meaningless. On that basis I have said it will not do any harm. So it is quite incorrect for Labour members to stand in this Chamber on the basis of the conversations I have had with members of Fonterra’s directors and management and claim that Fonterra supports this amendment. It is prepared to put up with it.
Ngaro Alfred: Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims (2012 Expiry and Application Dates) Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
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ALFRED NGARO (National) 
: 
 I am proud to take the final call on this Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims (2012 Expiry and Application Dates) Amendment Bill in its third reading. We used to have a saying—and I think it still exists—that if you do the crime then you do the time. This was a real punitive approach and view around action and consequence. I know that the public is really clear about the fact that when crime is committed there should be some action and consequence to that. One of the things that this Government is absolutely committed to is around safety but also around the balance of rights and responsibilities. I heard from Miss Julie Anne Genter who talked about the fact that there is a trading-off between the balance of rights and responsibilities. This Government is really clear that the balance is often outweighed at the opposite end where victims have not been put first. So we are really clear that we want to ensure that the rights of victims are balanced and put first. Often they are in situations of entering into the criminal justice system through no fault of their own. They have to deal with the financial the emotional and the physical effects of crime long after it has been committed. 
Clearly this bill’s intention is—and I want to acknowledge the Hon Phil Goff—around awarding compensation. The bill defers the expiry of the provisions relating to the restrictions on the awarding of compensation until 1 July 2013. 
 As for the victims’ claims process the Government intends to progress the 2011 bill the Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims (Redirecting Prisoner Compensation) Amendment Bill so that it is enacted on 30 June 2013. 
Finally the point I would like to make—and I have heard some of the comments made especially those from Mr Chauvel—is around ensuring that there is an approach that is partisan around this bill so that it is fit for purpose so that it consults in a way that addresses the issues of safety and concern and most important that in situations like this we need to return a level of trust back into our communities so that those of us who are part of the Government those who are in the law enforcement agencies and those who are in the community can trust that the system responds to the needs and to the rights and responsibilities of the victims in our communities. I commend this bill to the House. Thank you.
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The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Leave is sought for that purpose. Is there any objection? There is no objection.