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Hunt Jonathan: Speaker’s Rulings — Questions for Oral Answer—Ministers' Answers Maori Language—Interpretation Points of Order—Minister’s Answers 
Hunt Jonathan: Speaker’s Rulings — Questions for Oral Answer—Ministers' Answers Maori Language—Interpretation Points of Order—Minister’s Answers 
[Volume:615;Page:11495] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Before I start on questions I want to refer to two matters that I said I would rule on this week. Last week the Hon Peter Dunne asked me to reflect on points of order inviting the Speaker to rule on whether Ministers have answered questions. I have given a number of rulings on that subject during my term in office including detailed rulings on 12 September 2001 and 1 May 2003. Summaries of those rulings are contained in the latest edition of  
Speakers’ Rulings 
. I do not intend to go over them in detail today. I merely wish to emphasise that the Speaker is not the judge of whether a Minister answers a question correctly or adequately. That is a matter for political debate and criticism. 
I reiterate what I said on 12 September 2001 in  
Hansard 
 Vol. 595 at page 11634: “Any answer given by a Minister must address the question asked. That means that the answer must be a direct response to the question; it cannot be on an unrelated matter that it suits the Minister to introduce. But it does not mean that the answer will be satisfactory to the questioner or that it will actually answer the question. Whether it does or not will always be a matter of opinion and the Speaker cannot force a Minister to give a reply that is satisfactory to everyone.”
Locke Keith: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Locke Keith: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
[Volume:608;Page:5994] 
9.  
KEITH LOCKE (Green) 
 to the  
Prime Minister 
: What steps has she taken to seek an end to hostilities in Aceh as the stated position of her Government is to see the Indonesian Government and the Aceh independence movement return to negotiations? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Deputy Prime Minister) 
 on behalf of the 
 Prime Minister 
: The Prime Minister has made clear that the New Zealand Government would like to see the parties return to mediation and negotiation. We believe that special autonomy remains a workable solution. These comments have been published in Indonesia and our embassy will be registering this position with the Indonesian Government. 
Keith Locke 
: Will the Prime Minister be making direct representations to President Megawati Sukarnoputri to stop the military assault in Aceh so that we do not have a repeat of the East Timor tragedy where New Zealand Governments for many years failed to meet fully their responsibilities to a suffering people? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN 
: We do seek a negotiated solution but there is a difference between East Timor and Aceh. Aceh has been part of the State of Indonesia from its formation; East Timor was conquered by invasion by Indonesia. 
Dr Wayne Mapp 
: In supporting the peaceful resolution of the dispute between the Aceh independence movement and Indonesia is the Government committed to the territorial integrity of Indonesia—not just there but elsewhere including West Papua? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN 
: The West Papuan situation is similar to Aceh in that both have been part of Indonesia but West Papuans seek a different relationship from the one they have at present. In both cases the Government thinks that Indonesia should deal with its citizens on the basis of seeking negotiated solutions rather than military ones. 
Keith Locke 
: Is the Prime Minister worried that Indonesian troops may violate human rights with impunity in Aceh because of the failure of Indonesia to bring to justice those commanders responsible for the atrocities in East Timor; and how will she be pressing Indonesia for adequate trials for those commanders? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN 
: The Government has made representations to Indonesia on both of those matters. Of course we deplore any atrocities committed by Indonesian military in Aceh but equally we deplore any atrocities committed by the Aceh independence movement against other citizens of Indonesia.
Hughes Darren: Customs and Excise (Motor Spirits) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Hughes Darren: Customs and Excise (Motor Spirits) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:621;Page:16626] 
DARREN HUGHES (Labour—Otaki) 
: 
 One can almost hear the groans of embarrassment from the people of Rakaia every time that member gets to his feet to do his Lockwood Smith imitation of being angry about every single piece of legislation that comes before the House. Every piece of hyperbole that one could ever imagine gets thrown around the Chamber. I know as a rural member of Parliament how important the roading network is. I look forward to seeing this bill go to a select committee so that it can investigate alternative ways of funding roading improvements around our country. This legislation will make a big difference in rural areas and I support it.
Building Bill — Instruction to Committee 
Building Bill — Instruction to Committee 
[Volume:619;Page:14747] 
Building Bill 
Instruction to Committee 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Minister of Education) 
 on behalf of the 
 Associate Minister of Commerce 
: I move  
That it be an instruction to the Committee of the whole House on the Building Bill that it consider the bill part by part. 
Motion agreed to.
Hunt Jonathan: Visitors — Socialist Republic of Viet Nam—Foreign Affairs Committee National Assembly 
Hunt Jonathan: Visitors — Socialist Republic of Viet Nam—Foreign Affairs Committee National Assembly 
[Volume:622;Page:17667] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I have much pleasure in informing members that a parliamentary delegation from the Foreign Affairs Committee of the National Assembly of the Socialist Republic of Viet Nam is present in the gallery. I am sure that members would wish that the delegation be welcomed.
Vote: Judicial Matters Bill — In Committee Procedure 
Vote: Judicial Matters Bill — In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:617;Page:12889] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 2 as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 63 
New Zealand Labour 52; Green Party 9; Progressive 2. 
Noes 55 
New Zealand National 26; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 8. 
Part 2 as amended agreed to.
Benson-Pope David: Debate on Crown Entities Public Organisations and State Enterprises 
Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume 
Benson-Pope David: Debate on Crown Entities Public Organisations and State Enterprises 
[Sitting date: 10 June 2003. Volume:609;Page:6109. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
DAVID BENSON-POPE (Senior Whip—NZ Labour) 
: 
 I do have some involvement in the roster given that I produced it in draft form for feedback from the other whips. I have had no communication from the National Party whip in relation to any dissatisfaction with the speaking roster. People have been following it in their slots which are allocated on the basis of the proportionality of the Parliament. Frankly I am rather bemused and unclear about the point that Mr Brownlee—who was not at the Business Committee today where this matter was not discussed—has raised.
Vote: Land Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Land Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:613;Page:9738] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 69 
New Zealand Labour 52; Green Party 9; United Future 8. 
Noes 48 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8. 
Motion agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 153 in the name of Larry Baldock to clause 70(1) be agreed to.
Hughes Darren: Resource Management and Electricity Legislation Amendment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Hughes Darren: Resource Management and Electricity Legislation Amendment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:627;Page:22320] 
DARREN HUGHES (Labour—Otaki) 
: 
 This bill received its first reading on 14 December 2004. The member referred to Standing Orders 259 261 and 262 but helpfully for his own argument left out Standing Order 260 which states: “The Speaker scrutinises each bill on its introduction to ensure that it complies with Standing Order 259.” By virtue of the bill receiving its first reading on 14 December last year it had to be introduced into Parliament before that. For the introduction to have been accepted the Speaker had to verify that it did indeed comply with Standing Order 259. So 8 months later is a little late to raise objections about the content of the bill. It is clearly covered by Standing Order 260.
Vote: Gambling Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Vote: Gambling Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:611;Page:8488] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 48 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8. 
Noes 71 
Labour 52; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 110 in the name of Lindsay Tisch to insert new clauses 125B and 125C be agreed to.
Vote: Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims Bill — In Committee Procedure Third Reading 
Vote: Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims Bill — In Committee Procedure Third Reading 
[Volume:626;Page:20982] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 48 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; United Future 8. 
Noes 69 
New Zealand Labour 51; ACT New Zealand 7; Green Party 9; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 372 in the name of Marc Alexander to clause 18(2) be agreed to.
Barnett Tim: Anglican (Diocese of Christchurch) Church Property Trust Bill — Second Reading Third Reading 
Barnett Tim: Anglican (Diocese of Christchurch) Church Property Trust Bill — Second Reading Third Reading 
[Volume:608;Page:5203] 
TIM BARNETT (NZ Labour—Christchurch Central) 
:  
Mr Speaker— 
Dail Jones 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. Is there no Committee stage? 
Mr SPEAKER 
: No the House has agreed that there will not be one. We took the leave of the House earlier today. 
Dail Jones 
: But did we take the leave of the House to waive a Committee stage? 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Yes. 
TIM BARNETT 
: I move  
That the Anglican (Diocese of Christchurch) Church Property Trust Bill be now read a third time.  
This is the fourth member’s bill that I have sponsored in this House in the last 6 years and sometimes it can seem like quite a lonely furrow that one ploughs on those issues so I was delighted in the last few minutes to hear a comparative explosion of interest in these issues from Dail Jones and Gordon Copeland. I am delighted and gratified about that; it makes the issues useful to discuss. 
I will very briefly respond to the comments that were made. The bill is of such length because it is effectively a rewrite of a constitution of a complex organisation. The issue of the definition of “spouse” is one that the Anglican Church had not been alerted to prior to the bill coming into the House. However prior to the first reading I was made aware that there was a human rights—a New Zealand Bill of Rights Act—issue. I think it is very proper that we should respond to those things. In my first reading speech I made it clear that the church was supportive of an amendment to the bill and that is what we see before us today. In terms of Mr Jones’ concerns about Anglican bishops living in de facto including same-sex relationships I wish to say only that time moves on the law improves and even the Anglican church accepts the reality of contemporary relationships. It is important that new legislation going through this House now should reflect that. On that basis I thank those in the parliamentary structure who have helped the Anglican church to get this bill together and I thank the Commerce Committee. Again I commend the bill to the House.
Carter David: Aquaculture Reform Bill — Second Reading Instructions to Committee In Committee 
Carter David: Aquaculture Reform Bill — Second Reading Instructions to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:622;Page:17706] 
Hon DAVID CARTER (National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I seek your guidance on the fact that the Minister in the chair has now changed from the Hon David Benson-Pope to the Hon Harry Duynhoven. We are seeking answers to questions. Mr Duynhoven sat with us on the Primary Production Committee. Is it appropriate for him as a select committee member now to sit in the Minister’s chair in the Committee stage? 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I thank the member for that. That is a decision for the Hon Harry Duynhoven to make.
Urgent Debates Declined — Iraq—Apology to United States 
Urgent Debates Declined — Iraq—Apology to United States 
[Volume:607;Page:4908] 
Urgent Debates Declined 
Iraq—Apology to United States 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I have received a letter from the Leader of the Opposition seeking to debate under Standing Order 376 the Prime’s Minister’s decision to ask the New Zealand Embassy in Washington to apologise for some of her remarks. This is a particular case of recent occurrence involving ministerial responsibility but I do not consider the matter of sufficient import to warrant the setting aside of the House’s time this afternoon for an urgent debate. The application is declined. 
Hon BILL ENGLISH (Leader of the Opposition) 
: 
 I accept your ruling that in your view this is not a matter of sufficient importance for the immediate attention of the House but I do seek leave for the House to debate it because of its importance to the country. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The member is certainly entitled to seek leave. Is there any objection? There is objection.
Tisch Lindsay: Employment Relations Law Reform Bill — Procedure 
Tisch Lindsay: Employment Relations Law Reform Bill — Procedure 
[Volume:620;Page:15844] 
LINDSAY TISCH (Junior Whip—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. To clarify and to get back to square one it might pay if we recommit both votes again so that we can go through and take any uncertainty out of what the process should be. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Quite frankly the House is the master of its own destiny and that can only be done by leave. If the member is seeking leave then I will put it. 
LINDSAY TISCH 
: I so seek leave. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Is there any objection to that course of action? There is.
Urgent Debates Declined — Marine-farming Space—Allocation 
Urgent Debates Declined — Marine-farming Space—Allocation 
[Volume:618;Page:13774] 
Urgent Debates Declined 
Marine-farming Space—Allocation 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I have received a letter from Gerry Brownlee seeking to debate under Standing Order 373 an announcement relating to the allocation of marine-farming space. The proposal in the Minister’s announcements is described as being part of the decision-making process requiring feedback from Maori before final policy decisions are made. In these circumstances it is not entirely clear that a particular case of recent occurrence has actually occurred. However in any case as the announcement makes clear once decisions are made they will be embodied in an aquaculture reform bill later this year. In these circumstances there is no need for an urgent debate on the subject today. The application is therefore declined.
Hunt Jonathan: Speaker’s Rulings — Contempt Finding—Hon Dr Nick Smith 
Hunt Jonathan: Speaker’s Rulings — Contempt Finding—Hon Dr Nick Smith 
[Volume:616;Page:12366] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: That is not a point of order.
Simich Clem: Hazardous Substances and New Organisms (Genetically Modified Organisms Moratorium Reinstatement) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Simich Clem: Hazardous Substances and New Organisms (Genetically Modified Organisms Moratorium Reinstatement) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:624;Page:19296] 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Clem Simich) 
: It was remiss of me not to call Mr Rod Donald to order on each occasion when he did that. I thank the member for raising that point. There has been no change in the Chamber.
Vote: Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims Bill — In Committee Procedure Third Reading 
Vote: Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims Bill — In Committee Procedure Third Reading 
[Volume:626;Page:21036] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims Bill be now read a third time.  
Ayes 62 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; Progressive 2. 
Noes 56 
New Zealand National 26; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 8; Maori Party 1. 
Bill read a third time.
Hughes Darren: Fair Trading Amendment Bill (No 3) — Third Reading 
Hughes Darren: Fair Trading Amendment Bill (No 3) — Third Reading 
[Volume:609;Page:6914] 
DARREN HUGHES (NZ Labour—Otaki) 
: It is little wonder that the ACT party would oppose a bill called the Fair Trading Amendment Bill (No 3). It is no wonder when we consider the actions of that party. When this bill was first introduced into the House we know that ACT members went on a big retreat. They went on an out-of-Parliament retreat all the way around to Pipitea Street to talk about how this bill could be defeated. But tonight it will be read for a third time and ACT party members are shaking in their boots about it around in their electorate office in Pipitea Street because they are so concerned. 
Mr Franks quoted from  
Hansard 
 and said that Labour members in the first reading had said that we would be coming after pyramid schemes and dodgy schemes and he accused us of not doing that. But Mr Franks has not noticed that we have come after those schemes and that is why that party sits at 2 percent in the polls.
Vote: Civil Union Bill — In Committee Procedure 
Vote: Civil Union Bill — In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:622;Page:17560] 
The question was put that the following amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 314 in the name of Richard Worth to clause 21 be agreed to: 
to omit subclause (5).
Vote: Offices of Parliament—Address to Governor-General 
Vote: Offices of Parliament—Address to Governor-General 
[Volume:625;Page:20185] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the motion be agreed to. 
Ayes 111 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2; Maori Party 1. 
Noes 9 
ACT New Zealand 9. 
Motion agreed to and Address adopted.
Vote: New Zealand Trade and Enterprise Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Vote: New Zealand Trade and Enterprise Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:609;Page:6304] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 35 
New Zealand National 27; ACT New Zealand 8. 
Noes 84 
Labour 52; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 93 in the name of Rod Donald to clause 9(1) be agreed to.
Vote: Criminal Records (Clean Slate) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Procedure 
Vote: Criminal Records (Clean Slate) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:617;Page:12585] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 17 
ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Noes 103 
New Zealand Labour 52; New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: The next amendment is to clause 15(3) and it is in the name of Richard Worth.
Mahuta Nanaia: Fisheries Amendment Bill (No 4) — In Committee 
Mahuta Nanaia: Fisheries Amendment Bill (No 4) — In Committee 
[Volume:619;Page:14574] 
NANAIA MAHUTA (Labour—Tainui) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Maharey Steve: Palmerston North Reserves Empowering Amendment Bill — Second Reading Third Reading 
Maharey Steve: Palmerston North Reserves Empowering Amendment Bill — Second Reading Third Reading 
[Volume:608;Page:5735] 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY (NZ Labour—Palmerston North) 
: 
 I move  
That the Palmerston North Reserves Empowering Amendment Bill be now read a second time 
. The bill amends the Palmerston North Reserves Empowering Act. It deals with a piece of land that the council wishes to sell to the local girls high school. It needs this legislation because it is not empowered to sell the land and that is why we are here. Everybody is in agreement on the bill. It has been through the Local Government and Environment Committee where there was unanimity between the members. It has therefore returned to the House with the committee’s full support. I commend it to the House.
Shirley Ken: Business Statement 
Shirley Ken: Business Statement 
[Volume:615;Page:11365] 
Hon KEN SHIRLEY (Deputy Leader—ACT) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I would like to seek clarification from the Leader of the House with regard to item No. 24 on the Order Paper—that is the Conservation (Protection of Trout as a Non-commercial Species) Amendment Bill. I note it was reported back on 22 February 2001—3 years ago. I ask the Leader of the House whether the Government is going to withdraw this bill and do a U-turn on its policy or will it leave it languishing at the bottom of the Order Paper?
Carter David: Points of Order — Apology—Withdrawal of Comment 
Carter David: Points of Order — Apology—Withdrawal of Comment 
[Volume:623;Page:18311] 
Hon DAVID CARTER (National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I have just become aware of a discussion that occurred at half-past 7 whereby a remark I made prior to the dinner break offended Nandor Tanczos. On that basis I wish to withdraw and apologise if that remark caused offence.
Cullen Michael: Business of Select Committees — Membership Meetings 
Cullen Michael: Business of Select Committees — Membership Meetings 
[Volume:613;Page:9919] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I seek leave for the Primary Production Committee to meet after 6 p.m. on Wednesday 12 November 2003 notwithstanding Standing Order 196(1)(c) for further consideration of its inquiry into the administration and management of the scampi industry. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Is there any objection to that course being followed? There appears to be none.
Connell Brian: Education (Establishment of Universities) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Connell Brian: Education (Establishment of Universities) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:620;Page:16213] 
BRIAN CONNELL (National—Rakaia) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. I respect your ruling. This is a new point of order. Having put the motion I distinctly heard you call for those who were in favour. No one from the Government’s side— 
Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: No. The member will be seated.
Jones Dail: Standing Orders 
Jones Dail: Standing Orders 
[Volume:614;Page:10735] 
Dail Jones 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker.
Visitors — Speaker of the House of Representatives Australia 
Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume 
Visitors — Speaker of the House of Representatives Australia 
[Sitting date: 10 June 2003. Volume:609;Page:6037. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Tuesday 10 June 2003 
Mr Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Prayers 
. 
Visitors 
Speaker of the House of Representatives Australia 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I have much pleasure in informing members that the Hon Neil Andrew MP Speaker of the House of Representatives Australia accompanied by the Deputy Speaker is within the precincts of this Chamber. I am sure that members would wish that he be welcomed and accorded a seat on the left of the Chair. 
The Hon Neil Andrew accompanied by the Deputy Speaker entered the Chamber and took a seat on the left of the Chair.
Rodney District Council (PENLINK Toll Road) Empowering Bill — Procedure 
Rodney District Council (PENLINK Toll Road) Empowering Bill — Procedure 
[Volume:614;Page:10391] 
Rodney District Council (PENLINK Toll Road) Empowering Bill 
Procedure 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I move 
 That local order of the day No. 1 for the second reading of the Rodney District Council (PENLINK Toll Road) Empowering Bill be postponed until after members’ order of the day No. 1. 
Motion agreed to.
Vote: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
Vote: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
[Volume:627;Page:22221] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the votes the preamble clauses 1 to 13 and schedules 5 to 7 be agreed to. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand Labour 51; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 32 
New Zealand National 26; ACT New Zealand 5; Maori Party 1. 
Abstentions 21 
New Zealand First 13; Green Party 8. 
Votes preamble clauses 1 to 13 and schedules 5 to 7 agreed to. 
Bill reported without amendment. 
Report adopted.
Vote: Consumer Protection (Definitions of Goods and Services) Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Consumer Protection (Definitions of Goods and Services) Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:609;Page:6887] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 35 
New Zealand National 27; ACT New Zealand 8. 
Noes 82 
Labour 52; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Tony Ryall to clause 4(2) be agreed to: 
to omit subparagraph (iv) of section 2(1)(a).
Vote: Injury Prevention Rehabilitation and Compensation Amendment Bill (No 3) — Third Reading 
Vote: Injury Prevention Rehabilitation and Compensation Amendment Bill (No 3) — Third Reading 
[Volume:625;Page:20347] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Injury Prevention Rehabilitation and Compensation Amendment Bill (No 3) be now read a third time. 
Ayes 109 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand National 25; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2; Maori Party 1. 
Noes 8 
ACT New Zealand 8. 
Bill read a third time.
Yates Dianne: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Yates Dianne: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:613;Page:10147] 
9.  
DIANNE YATES (Labour—Hamilton East) 
 to the  
Associate Minister for Arts Culture and Heritage 
: How is the Government supporting the New Zealand Film Commission to help New Zealanders make more New Zealand films? 
Hon JUDITH TIZARD (Associate Minister for Arts Culture and Heritage) 
: 
Film has an important role in New Zealand’s cultural and economic development. Last week we were pleased to announce along with the Government’s response to the Screen Production Taskforce recommendations that the New Zealand Film Commission is to receive an annual $10 million baseline funding increase in the 2004 Budget. This nearly doubles the commission’s existing funding and will enable it to support more films like the multi-award winning film  
Whale Rider 
. 
Dianne Yates 
: How does the New Zealand Film Commission support the development of New Zealand film makers? 
Hon JUDITH TIZARD 
: As well as developing and funding films the Film Commission runs programmes to help upskill New Zealand screenwriters directors and producers. One of the commission’s initiatives involves bringing international film makers and funders to New Zealand such as the UK delegation last year from which New Zealand feature films including  
My Father’s Den 
 obtained financing. A similar Australian delegation is being brought to this weekend’s Screen Production and Development Association conference of which the Film Commission is the principal sponsor. 
John Key 
: Does the Minister support the Film Commission administering the Government’s big-budget film grant scheme; if so what are the superior skills that the commission has in the area of tax business and company structuring compared to those of the Inland Revenue Department or the Ministry of Economic Development? 
Hon JUDITH TIZARD 
: The big-budget film fund will be administered through the Film Commission but it is paid for by the Ministry of Economic Development. The Film Commission has the best part of 30 years of experience in film projects of all sorts and will be consulting with and advised by the Inland Revenue Department in terms of this. I do not believe in setting up more bureaucracies to run New Zealand businesses and to support business and investment in New Zealand. The Film Commission has done a very good job in getting New Zealand big-budget films up and going and monitoring those recently made in New Zealand.
Peters Winston: Business of the House 
Peters Winston: Business of the House 
[Volume:627;Page:22040] 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. This is a matter of clarification. Obviously a significant amount of time will be consumed in this process. I want to know whether it includes other members of the ACT party and the Green Party members or just Mr Prebble.
Smith Nick: Resource Management Amendment Bill (No 2) — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Smith Nick: Resource Management Amendment Bill (No 2) — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:608;Page:5512] 
Hon Dr NICK SMITH (NZ National—Nelson) 
: 
 I wanted to raise a further concern on behalf of Opposition parties. It is a parallel to the events that caused a great deal of disorder last Thursday when the House rose at 6 o’clock which relates to the reluctance from the Chair to take points of order as we approach a dinner time in order to try to rush through a vote as though the Chair has some interest in the vote being progressed at a particular pace. It seemed as if the way in which the Chair conducted the matters that were raised by my colleague Mr Ken Shirley would have been quite different had he raised the same point of order at 5.30 or at 5.45 solely because there was a rush to have a particular motion put before the House by a particular time. That and the neutrality of the Chair is of serious concern to the Opposition parties.
Baldock Larry: Hazardous Substances and New Organisms (Stockholm Convention) Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
Baldock Larry: Hazardous Substances and New Organisms (Stockholm Convention) Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
[Volume:609;Page:6937] 
LARRY BALDOCK (United Future) 
: I rise on behalf of United Future to speak in the second reading debate of this bill. The bill as reported back from the Foreign Affairs Defence and Trade Committee is not substantially different from how it was for its first reading although a few changes have been made and those changes were addressed very ably by the speaker before me. They are largely uncontroversial and technical in nature. 
The bill amends the Hazardous Substances and New Organisms Act to give effect to the requirements of the Stockholm Convention on Persistent Organic Pollutants by prohibiting the manufacture use and importation of such pollutants unless a specific use is permitted or an exemption is granted. The convention lists 10 persistent organic pollutants including polychlorinated biphenyls and DDT and has a requirement to reduce emissions of two by-product dioxins. The bill contains an Order in Council procedure to add further persistent organic pollutants to the regime if necessary. The bill allows for an application to the Environmental Risk Management Authority for approval of small amounts of persistent organic pollutants to be imported or manufactured for use in containment but only as analytical standards—that is for the comparison of a known concentration of the substance with an unknown concentration or for the purpose of laboratory research. 
Nine of the 10 substances covered by the convention cannot currently be approved for manufacture or import in New Zealand because they were deregistered under the Pesticides Act of 1979 and no applications for import or manufacture have been submitted under the principal Act. The import and manufacture of polychlorinated biphenyls the final persistent organic pollutant has been prohibited from 1 January 1994 under the Toxic Substance Regulations 1983 Amendment No 4. The Government is already addressing the issue of dioxin emissions through the work programme of the Ministry for the Environment. However the current legislative framework does not guarantee that New Zealand will meet its obligations because it is possible that regulations could be altered or approval could be granted under the Hazardous Substances and New Organisms Act as it currently stands. The costs to the economy of these measures are expected to be nil given the current lack of use of those substances and given their toxicity it is unlikely that New Zealand would ever wish to approve their wider usage. In any case the convention allows for the country-specific exempted use of a substance. United Future is happy to support this legislation.
Vote: Corrections Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Procedure 
Vote: Corrections Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:617;Page:13045] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 8. 
Noes 61 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 8; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Tony Ryall to clause 199 be agreed to: 
to insert in subclause (2) the following new paragraph: 
(ea)the numbers of staff leaving the employ of the contract prison noting which have gone to the Public Prison Service:.
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I further move 
 That the House acknowledge the victory of the New Zealand men’s rugby sevens team in the final of the Wellington tournament on 7 February. 
 This victory illustrates the depth of rugby sevens talent in New Zealand and the mastery of coach Gordon Tietjens in building a successful side with not a very big base.
Beyer Georgina: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Beyer Georgina: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:606;Page:3856] 
4.  
GEORGINA BEYER (NZ Labour—Wairarapa) 
 to the  
Minister of Housing 
: What is the Government doing to protect the tenure of Auckland City Council housing tenants? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY (Acting Minister of Housing) 
: 
 I am pleased to report that tomorrow will mark the beginning of a new era of security for Auckland City Council tenants with ownership of nearly 1700 properties shifting to Housing New Zealand Corporation. As a result of that purchase about 1200 low-income Aucklanders will now receive an income-related rent and be better off by up to $25 per week on average. Tenants will also benefit by the Government investing $75 million over the next 5 years in upgrading and redeveloping the housing stock. 
Georgina Beyer 
: Why did the Government purchase Auckland City Council housing stock? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY 
: Auckland is facing a serious housing crisis. The loss of nearly 1700 homes for low-income Aucklanders would have placed a strain on State house waiting lists in that area. In addition the high prices the houses would have attracted on the open market would have forced many pensioners to leave communities where they have lived all their lives. That possibility was unacceptable to the Government. 
Dr Wayne Mapp 
: Why will the Government not adopt the Hon John Tamihere’s suggestion about State house tenure which he rather pithily put when he said: “Everyone going into a State house understands that it is not a life entitlement because what you are doing is incentivising people to either cook the books or stay on their butts.”? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY 
: Two comments were made by the Hon John Tamihere in relation to that. One concerned people being able to pass on tenure to a future generation. That of course has never been possible and is not possible now. In the matter of tenants they of course have a tenancy agreement. That tenancy agreement is there as long as they are good tenants. Their circumstances might change financially which may mean they will pay market rents and move out into the private sector. Alternatively we work with tenants if their circumstances change such as their family getting smaller to try to get them an alternative house in lieu of the existing one. 
Gerrard Eckhoff 
: Can the Minister confirm the Housing New Zealand report that Treasury could find no social policy objective is being achieved by the expenditure of $83 million and if so what worthy objectives has this Government identified that Treasury could not see? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY 
: I can guarantee that tomorrow a very large number of older Auckland people who are pensioners will be telling the Prime Minister that they know exactly what the social objectives were.
Vote: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Procedure Referral to Health Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled  Speaker Recalled In Committee Procedure 
Vote: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Procedure Referral to Health Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled  Speaker Recalled In Committee Procedure 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 65 
New Zealand Labour 52; New Zealand National 3; New Zealand First 1; Green Party 9. 
Amendment agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 117 in the name of the Hon Peter Dunne to insert new clause 11A be agreed to.
Brown Peter: Points of Order — Members’ Day—Rescheduling of Debate Parliament Building—Media Access Members’ Day—Rescheduling of Debate 
Brown Peter: Points of Order — Members’ Day—Rescheduling of Debate Parliament Building—Media Access Members’ Day—Rescheduling of Debate 
[Volume:624;Page:19715] 
PETER BROWN (Deputy Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 I seek leave to table the whole damn book and have it put on each member’s desk so that we can all study it at our leisure. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Is there any objection to that course of action being taken? There is.
Vote: Injury Prevention Rehabilitation and Compensation Amendment Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Injury Prevention Rehabilitation and Compensation Amendment Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:609;Page:6511] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the schedule be agreed to 
. 
Ayes 61 
Labour 52; Green Party 9. 
Noes 52 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 12; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 8. 
Schedule agreed to. 
Bill reported without amendment.
Smith Nick: Civil Union Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Smith Nick: Civil Union Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:622;Page:17449] 
Hon Dr NICK SMITH (National—Nelson) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I know that members opposite have gone on the offensive and have accused all sorts of people who do not support this bill for their use of language. I would like you to consider whether the member who has just spoken accusing those of us who do not support this bill of being “homophobes” is in order. I take offence at it. I do not think it is appropriate language in this debate. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich) 
: I ask members as I did earlier to have respect one for another in this Chamber. I thank the member for raising that point. I do not need any help on it and I will not do anything about it but I thank him for raising it. 
Hon Dr NICK SMITH 
: Mr Chairperson you need to make a simple ruling. I can think of all sorts of offensive words that I could use in this Chamber about members opposite. I do not intend to use them. I will not take myself down to their level. But you need to make a clear ruling as to whether it will be acceptable—we will be debating this bill for the next couple of days I understand—for members like Georgina Beyer to accuse members who do not support this bill of being homophobes. I take offence. I think the member should withdraw and apologise. Alternatively Mr Chairperson you should rule that it is quite appropriate—make a ruling.
Vote: New Zealand Trade and Enterprise Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Vote: New Zealand Trade and Enterprise Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:609;Page:6286] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 48 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8. 
Noes 69 
Labour 52; Green Party 9; United Future 8. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Tony Ryall to clause 3 be agreed to: 
to omit subclause (3) and substitute the following new subclause: 
(3)This Act also provides for other agencies to be amalgamated into the principal agency established by this Act so as to improve efficiency and effectiveness of business support services.
Urgency 
Urgency 
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Urgency 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I move  
That urgency be accorded the introduction and passing of the Electoral (Vacancies) Amendment Bill 
. Urgency is sought because for the bill to be effective it has to be passed before the next sitting day. 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That urgency be accorded. 
Ayes 69 
Labour 50; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 48 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8. 
Abstentions 1 
Hunt. 
Motion agreed to.
Cullen Michael: Address to HerExcellency the Governor-General—Presentation 
Cullen Michael: Address to HerExcellency the Governor-General—Presentation 
[Volume:617;Page:13215] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I move  
That Her Excellency’s reply be entered in the  
Journals of the House. 
Motion agreed to.
Laban Luamanuvao Winnie: Holidays Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
Laban Luamanuvao Winnie: Holidays Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
[Volume:620;Page:15981] 
LUAMANUVAO WINNIE LABAN (Labour—Mana) 
: 
 I am very honoured to stand to contribute to this debate in the second reading of the Holidays Amendment Bill. Our Government remains committed to the principle of the Holidays Act which is about fairness and security. Like most New Zealanders we think it is fair that employees receive an additional payment for working on a public holiday. We remain committed to 4 weeks’ annual leave taking effect in 2007 to bring us in line with our major trading partners. Australian workers have had 4 weeks’ annual leave for 30 years.
Hide Rodney: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Hide Rodney: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
[Volume:608;Page:5995] 
RODNEY HIDE (ACT NZ) 
: 
 I have a question for the Minister of Maori Affairs. His office advised me at 10 past 2 that he was on his way to the House. I assume he is still on his way to the House. I seek the leave of the House to postpone my question until after question No. 12. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought. Is there any objection? There is. Please ask the question.
Gallagher Martin: New Zealand Trade and Enterprise Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Gallagher Martin: New Zealand Trade and Enterprise Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:609;Page:6321] 
MARTIN GALLAGHER (NZ Labour—Hamilton West) 
: I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Gosche Mark: Customs and Excise (Motor Spirits) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Gosche Mark: Customs and Excise (Motor Spirits) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Hon MARK GOSCHE (Labour—Maungakiekie) 
: 
 That was pathetic. If the National Party could find somebody who knew something about transport that person would be here making a speech. The National Party has no policy and no ideas. It did nothing. The member who just resumed his seat needs to be reminded that when the National Party was in Government for 9 long years it built half of the ALPURT motorway in Auckland and did nothing else. It froze public transport spending. It had a road toll that it could not control. It had no plans ready—nothing. When I became the Minister of Transport the Opposition said we would see not one motorway project built or even started in Auckland in our first 3 years in Government. What happened? We got heaps of projects going and finished. Now the Grafton Gully—as the members over there would know if they had ever been there—is finished the Puhinui interchange is finished and State Highway 20 is about to start. 
Just as important more money has been put into road safety. When I became the Minister the Opposition said we were not going to meet our targets of stopping New Zealanders dying on our roads unless we put in a large amount of money. Between us the Minister of Police George Hawkins and I created the highway patrol and a whole raft of new road safety measures. We have got the best road safety results ever since. 
Just as important we have doubled the spend on public transport. That lot over there had frozen it for 5 years. It is absolutely ridiculous to have the National Party talking about transport. It did nothing. It had a policy called Better Transport Better Roads. It wasted 5 years running around the country getting rubbished by everybody and it is here today with no policies and no ideas. It does nothing; that is why it is in Opposition and will stay there for a very long time. 
This is a good measure. The public of New Zealand know that we have a transport infrastructure deficit created by 9 years of National Party neglect. They know they have to pay some more to fix it which is what this bill does.
Vote: Naming and Suspension of Member 
Vote: Naming and Suspension of Member 
[Volume:608;Page:5289] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Hon Richard Prebble be suspended from the service of the House. 
Ayes 69 
Labour 52; Green Party 9; United Future 8. 
Noes 47 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 7. 
Question agreed to.
Turia Tariana: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Turia Tariana: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:622;Page:17628] 
5.  
TARIANA TURIA (Leader—Maori Party) 
 to the  
Minister of Internal Affairs 
: What evidence does the Department of Internal Affairs have of reported allegations that Lottery Grants Board funding given to Whakaaratamaiti Marae has been misspent given that it has begun an investigation? 
Hon GEORGE HAWKINS (Minister of Internal Affairs) 
: 
 The Department of Internal Affairs has investigated the allegations and has laid a complaint with police. 
Tariana Turia 
: Was the Lottery Grants Board notified of the concerns that the department had about its funding of the marae and was it notified that an investigation was in progress; if not why not? 
Hon GEORGE HAWKINS 
: When the Department of Internal Affairs learnt of the allegations it started to investigate them. It has now passed that information on to the police so that the allegations can be fully investigated. 
Tariana Turia 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. The Minister did not answer my question. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Yes he did. He addressed it. The member may have another supplementary. 
Tariana Turia 
: Can the Minister inform the House why Mike Jarvis a senior investigator with the Department of Internal Affairs is conducting this investigation through the media and discussing these allegations with the police when the investigations have not been completed and why is he being allowed to deviate from the usual procedures required for investigations? 
Hon GEORGE HAWKINS 
: The media asked whether there was an investigation. The department investigated and has handed the information over to the police. What the media do is not part of the responsibility of the Department of Internal Affairs.