Collins JudithHon JUDITH COLLINS (National—Papakura): Mr Speaker thank you for the call. I'm a former Minister of Corrections in two different terms of Government and extended supervision orders are something that I'm very well aware of—in fact House we had something to do with them maybe as Minister of Justice. What people are talking about here generally is high-risk child offenders who despite every rehabilitative measure that Corrections have taken—and Corrections do the most that they can possibly do to help people change their behaviours particularly with these people—they have taken every step possible in that should they reoffend as they normally reoffend then preventative detention would be the right course of action for a sentencing. The problem is for that to happen then these offenders that we're talking out would have to go out and in most cases sexually molest children. And I'm not sure that there is anybody in this House who would think that we should let one child or one family go through that; or multiple children or multiple families go through that—because these 26 people will not cannot choose not to change their behaviours. They are an absolute nightmare for Corrections to deal with.I know that Corrections has to try and get these people out into the community and in housing and all that sort of thing once their sentences are served. I'd really love it if Corrections stopped trying to put them in my electorate—and I'm sure every member of Parliament here would feel exactly the same way—because they absolutely are a danger. When I consider the resource that goes into managing them in the community it is immense. It's not just one person with them during three shifts during the day. You've got to have multiple people because otherwise what happens is that that caregiver can very well become manipulated by people who are psychologically able to do that. They are very clever at manipulating—that's what happens with this sort of behaviour. The right place for them frankly in my opinion is in jail but the trouble is you can't do that post the sentence that's been delivered.We are happy to support this bill because we know it is necessary. There are times when Parliament has to come together grow up and act in the best interests of the public and we know that the rights of 26—in most cases violent—sexual offenders against children must be trumped by the rights of children and their parents not to have to worry that they've got one of these people in their community unleashed unsupervised and out free. So yes we do support it. I mean there are questions about whether or not we could have toughened this up a bit further; dealt with that. But the point is that Parliament can't always work out what a judge is going to say what a decision is going to be—and that's the point of Parliament being able to come together in urgency. We spend a lot of time in urgency talking about a lot of rubbish but this is actually a good bill that we are taking to be able to protect the most vulnerable people in our community which are our children and I cannot believe that we would not do so unanimously—and I hope we do because the children have to come first. I know that some people who have never had anything to do with being the Minister of Corrections or working in Corrections may well look at Corrections and say Well why can't they do this?" or "Why can't they do that?" But I want to give a big shout-out to the staff at Corrections who every day have to go to work with the people that none of us would ever choose to and they are real heroes because they have to deal with this every single day. And being a staff member at Corrections is not always viewed positively in all parts of the community but what we should do I think is to acknowledge the enormous effort that those staff put in—whether they're corrections officers or whether they're probation officers or whether they're people in administration who put in to helping people make better choices in their lives. But the people we're talking about here will never make better choices and that's the problem. In some cases they have been incarcerated for many years and despite every effort—every time they've been released they will go back to their old ways. Their old ways is not a burglary—which is an awful thing to have happen to you. Their old ways are to destroy a child's life and frankly I cannot believe that anybody would not want to support this bill. There are always questions about whether or not we could have had it a few months back all those sorts of things—but the point is it's here. It's here today and we think—and we know—that the children of New Zealand come first and they're the ones that we have to do everything we can to help their family their whānau their parents to protect—and if we can't do this together unanimously then that would be a real shame on those who didn't. So thank you for the opportunity to speak on it. I want to again shout-out to those staff in Corrections who do their very best under immensely difficult circumstances."