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Bakshi Kanwaljit Singh: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
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Bakshi Kanwaljit Singh: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 23 May 2012. Volume:680;Page:2385. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
KANWALJIT SINGH BAKSHI (National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I replied to your greeting. I did not do anything else. If you had not asked for a greeting I would not have done it.
Robertson H V Ross: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
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Robertson H V Ross: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: The question is that the question be now put. As many as are that of that opinion will please say Aye— 
Hon Trevor Mallard 
: I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. That motion has to be put without any preface. That member prefaced it with something before he put it. Therefore it is invalid. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Actually it is my fault but the member is absolutely right. The member can only say: “I move that the question be now put.” He cannot respond to the greeting I gave him. I made the mistake but I cannot accept the motion and therefore I have to go to the other side of the Chamber.
Bakshi Kanwaljit Singh: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
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Bakshi Kanwaljit Singh: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
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KANWALJIT SINGH BAKSHI (National) 
: 
 Sat sri akaal. I move that the question be now put.
Robertson H V Ross: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
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Robertson H V Ross: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I call the honourable member Kanwaljit Bakshi. Sat sri akaal.
Woodhouse Michael: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
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Woodhouse Michael: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 23 May 2012. Volume:680;Page:2384. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
MICHAEL WOODHOUSE (Senior Whip—National) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: No I am not going to accept that.
Vote: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 23 May 2012. Volume:680;Page:2373. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That schedule 4 be agreed to. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 58 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 12; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 3; Mana 1. 
Schedule 4 agreed to.
Coleman Jonathan: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
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Coleman Jonathan: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 23 May 2012. Volume:680;Page:2377. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon Dr JONATHAN COLEMAN (Minister of State Services) 
: 
 I think Supplementary Order Paper 32 is a very disappointing one really. This is the sort of thing that in the public mind brings Parliament into disrepute. It certainly does nothing to enhance the reputation of the member who has tabled this because basically we have had this debate already on Part 3 of the Crown Entities Reform Bill. It passed and Labour has lost the debate. Effectively what Trevor Mallard is trying to do is relitigate this by delaying it for 3 years. It is a complete waste of— 
Hon Trevor Mallard 
: I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I think you are aware—and I know that it is a relatively junior Minister in the chair but he should be aware—that one must not refer to previous debates once that part has been decided. His entire call so far has been an attack on me related to the previous part which has already been decided.  
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I thank the member and I appreciate the point that he has made. As to the second point there is always a bit of leeway when a Minister has the reply. But I would caution the Minister to keep to the debate.  
Hon Dr JONATHAN COLEMAN 
: Well the point is that this is a wide-ranging debate on the commencement date. The fact is that the Committee has made its will known quite clearly and I do not think there is any point spending any further time on this. The will of the Committee has been declared pretty firmly.
Vote: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 23 May 2012. Volume:680;Page:2375. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That schedule 9 as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 58 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 12; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 3; Mana 1. 
Schedule 9 as amended agreed to.
Vote: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 23 May 2012. Volume:680;Page:2373. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That schedule 6 be agreed to. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 58 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 12; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 3; Mana 1. 
Schedule 6 agreed to.
Vote: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 23 May 2012. Volume:680;Page:2373. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That schedule 5 be agreed to. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 58 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 12; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 3; Mana 1. 
Schedule 5 agreed to.
Roy Eric: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
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Roy Eric: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 23 May 2012. Volume:680;Page:2372. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: The question is that schedule 3 stand part. Those of that opinion will say “Aye” the contrary “No”. The Ayes have it— 
Hon Trevor Mallard 
: No. Noes have it—practising for Saturday. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: Ha ha! Party vote. The Clerk will conduct— 
Hon Trevor Mallard 
: Thursday night. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: Excuse me we do not need the embellishment. The member should just call.
Vote: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 23 May 2012. Volume:680;Page:2372. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That schedule 2 be agreed to. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 58 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 12; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 3; Mana 1. 
Schedule 2 agreed to.
Vote: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 23 May 2012. Volume:680;Page:2372. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 58 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 12; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 3; Mana 1. 
Motion agreed to.
Vote: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 23 May 2012. Volume:680;Page:2374. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 58 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 12; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 3; Mana 1. 
Amendments agreed to.
Bakshi Kanwaljit Singh: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
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Bakshi Kanwaljit Singh: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 23 May 2012. Volume:680;Page:2371. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
KANWALJIT SINGH BAKSHI (National) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Vote: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 23 May 2012. Volume:680;Page:2387. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That clause 1 be agreed to. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 58 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 12; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 3; Mana 1. 
Clause 1 agreed to.
Roy Eric: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
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Roy Eric: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 23 May 2012. Volume:680;Page:2369. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: You have had your four calls.
Vote: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That schedule 3 be agreed to. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 58 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 12; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 3; Mana 1. 
Schedule 3 agreed to.
Vote: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 23 May 2012. Volume:680;Page:2374. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That schedule 8 as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 58 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 12; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 3; Mana 1. 
Schedule 8 as amended agreed to.
Roy Eric: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
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Roy Eric: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 23 May 2012. Volume:680;Page:2357. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: Before I call the Hon Trevor Mallard there were several conversations going that were more than in a dulcet tone so if members wish to have those conversations they might like to curtail them or go into the lobbies.
Vote: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 23 May 2012. Volume:680;Page:2353. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 2 be agreed to. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 59 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 13; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 3; Mana 1. 
Part 2 agreed to.
Robertson H V Ross: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
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Robertson H V Ross: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 23 May 2012. Volume:680;Page:2337. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I recognise the member Kris Faafoi.
Vote: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 23 May 2012. Volume:680;Page:2374. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That schedule 7 be agreed to. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 58 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 12; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 3; Mana 1. 
Schedule 7 agreed to.
O'Rourke Denis: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
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O'Rourke Denis: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 23 May 2012. Volume:680;Page:2341. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
DENIS O’ROURKE (NZ First) 
: 
 I move that the matter be now put.
Vote: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 23 May 2012. Volume:680;Page:2374. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 73 
New Zealand National 59; Green Party 12; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 46 
New Zealand Labour 34; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 3; Mana 1. 
Amendments agreed to.
Robertson H V Ross: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
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Robertson H V Ross: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 23 May 2012. Volume:680;Page:2388. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Is it a point of order? 
Hon Trevor Mallard 
: No no this is a debatable motion. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: A debatable point OK.
Tisch Lindsay: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
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Tisch Lindsay: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 23 May 2012. Volume:680;Page:2356. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: I am sorry to interrupt the honourable member. The time has come for me to leave the Chair for the dinner break.  
Sitting suspended from 6 p.m. to 7.30 p.m.
Vote: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 23 May 2012. Volume:680;Page:2372. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That schedule 1 be agreed to. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 58 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 12; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 3; Mana 1. 
Schedule 1 agreed to.
Smith Lockwood: General Debate 
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Smith Lockwood: General Debate 
[Sitting date: 23 May 2012. Volume:680;Page:2319. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to table that document. Is there any objection? There is objection.
Cosgrove Clayton: General Debate 
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Cosgrove Clayton: General Debate 
[Sitting date: 23 May 2012. Volume:680;Page:2319. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon CLAYTON COSGROVE (Labour) 
: 
 I seek leave to table the results of a professional opinion poll survey of 18 May 2012 showing— 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Order! Before the member says what it shows I want to know the source of the document. 
Hon CLAYTON COSGROVE 
: It is Fairfax showing 87 percent of Cantabrians think the Government should do more for them about the earthquake.
Smith Lockwood: General Debate 
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Smith Lockwood: General Debate 
[Sitting date: 23 May 2012. Volume:680;Page:2319. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Order! Before I call the next member I did not want to interrupt the Hon Dr Nick Smith but the level of interjection there was getting quite unreasonable. I have got to say to Andrew Little towards the back of the Chamber there that sustained jabbing and yelling across the House is not becoming of any member in this place. I think the House should behave with a little more dignity—a little more dignity.
Vote: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 23 May 2012. Volume:680;Page:2372. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 3 be agreed to. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 58 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 12; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 3; Mana 1. 
Part 3 agreed to.
Faafoi Kris: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Faafoi Kris: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Sitting date: 23 May 2012. Volume:680;Page:2315. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
12. 
KRIS FAAFOI (Labour—Mana) 
 to the  
Minister of Police 
: What is the basis for her assertion that there will be no negative effect on Police front-line services despite no new money for Vote Police in tomorrow’s Budget and given that Police face potential cost increases of $470 million over the next four years in wages alone? 
Hon ANNE TOLLEY (Minister of Police) 
: 
 The Commissioner of Police has assured me that there will be no negative effect on front-line services and I have absolute confidence in him. The figure that the member has used in the primary question is simply conjecture as the police are currently in negotiations with the Police Association.  
Kris Faafoi 
: Given her earlier statement that savings would be made in human resources and accounting and the fact that last year the police spent $28.5 million in those areas where else will she be looking to make over $100 million of savings in the next year?  
Hon ANNE TOLLEY 
: Firstly I repeat that the figures that the member is using are Labour Party figures and Labour is making assumptions about the results of negotiations that have not yet been concluded and that is always very dangerous. However I would also like to point out in answer to the question that actually the police operate under the Policing Act—which is independently—and all operational decisions are made by the commissioner. He has given me his assurance that front-line services will not suffer; in fact they will be enhanced. 
Kris Faafoi 
: Does she agree with the Police Association President Greg O’Connor who in this month’s Police Association magazine wrote: “the Government will end up wearing the blame from unhappy voters once our own equivalent of a production crisis—service reduction—starts to affect them.” 
Hon ANNE TOLLEY 
: No. As I say we are in the middle of industrial negotiations and that is a very political positioning statement. 
Kris Faafoi 
: I seek leave to table Greg O’Connor’s column from the Police Association magazine of this month. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to table that document. Is there any objection? There is objection. 
Kris Faafoi 
: Does the zero Budget for the Police reflect the Prime Minister’s statement last year that our police officers had a little bit of spare time? 
Hon ANNE TOLLEY 
: In fact the Budget for the Police this year and in outgoing years reflects the fact that we are getting much better value from our Public Service spend than the Labour Government managed in 9 years.
Blue Jackie: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Blue Jackie: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Sitting date: 23 May 2012. Volume:680;Page:2315. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
11. 
Dr JACKIE BLUE (National) 
 to the  
Minister of Internal Affairs 
: What recent progress has the Government made in combating the trade of objectionable images of children? 
Hon CHRIS TREMAIN (Minister of Internal Affairs) 
: 
 The trading of objectionable images of children is an appalling crime that requires an international response. The Department of Internal Affairs censorship compliance unit has been working with international agencies as part of Operation Laminar to target and apprehend people involved in distributing these images. As a result yesterday 55 of the worst offenders were caught worldwide for trading in images of child sexual abuse.  
Dr Jackie Blue 
: What was the role of the Department of Internal Affairs in the operation?  
Hon CHRIS TREMAIN 
: The Department of Internal Affairs censorship compliance unit initiated the operation which was then coordinated by Interpol. The Department of Internal Affairs unit uncovered abuse occurring on social network sites and provided evidence to the 20 countries involved. This small team of highly regarded investigators has proven integral to the worldwide effort in this area. They are to be highly commended for their dedication and commitment to this very difficult area of work.  
Dr Jackie Blue 
: How many children have been protected from harm as a result of this work?  
Hon CHRIS TREMAIN 
: Just from the results of this one operation 12 children have been identified and removed from abusive environments. One of these children was in New Zealand. Many other children have also undoubtedly been protected from harm due to the apprehension of some of the world’s worst offenders. I want to take this opportunity to thank the team at the Department of Internal Affairs for its success in this operation.
Horan Brendan: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Horan Brendan: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Sitting date: 23 May 2012. Volume:680;Page:2314. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
10. 
BRENDAN HORAN (NZ First) 
 to the  
Minister of Transport 
: Has he made a decision to fund the repair of the Napier-Gisborne rail network; if not why not? 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (Minister of Transport) 
: 
 No; because it is still under active consideration. 
Brendan Horan 
: What then does he have to say to the many families throughout the wider Napier-Gisborne region whose livelihoods hang in the balance and who suffer more hardship as each day of indecision rolls on by?  
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE 
: The question would suggest that transport routes into Gisborne are completely closed; they are not. It is important that there is proper consideration given to this decision so that there can be certainty about freight transport exports from the area in the years ahead.  
Brendan Horan 
: Is he aware that the closure of the rail link will cause the loss of many jobs in the area or is this the Government’s idea of regional development?  
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE 
: I think there is a supposition behind that question that I disagree with.
Tisch Lindsay: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
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Tisch Lindsay: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 23 May 2012. Volume:680;Page:2353. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: This is a debate on clauses 41 to 54 and schedules 7 to 9.
Lotu-Iiga Sam: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Lotu-Iiga Sam: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Sitting date: 23 May 2012. Volume:680;Page:2313. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
8. 
Peseta SAM LOTU-IIGA (National—Maungakiekie) 
 to the  
Minister for Social Development 
: What role will the Work and Income Board have in the Government’s recently announced welfare reforms? 
Hon PAULA BENNETT (Minister for Social Development) 
: 
 The Work and Income Board will provide oversight of the design implementation and ongoing delivery of the Government’s investment approach to welfare. We know that its oversight and expertise combined with the right interventions will see fewer people on welfare for long periods. 
Peseta Sam Lotu-Iiga 
: What will be different under the investment approach? 
Hon PAULA BENNETT 
: Currently we do very little to identify those most at risk of long-term welfare dependency let alone provide the right support and interventions to get off welfare and into work. Under the investment approach the board will help identify target groups of beneficiaries at risk of long-term dependency and how best to invest in getting them into work. 
Peseta Sam Lotu-Iiga 
: How will these changes be evaluated and monitored? 
Hon PAULA BENNETT 
: The Work and Income Board will be responsible for monitoring and evaluating the investment approach. Work and Income will trial a number of services and interventions for individual groups. As the evaluations are completed it will build on a knowledge base for the board to draw on. So yes we will be trialling it and evaluating it. That which is successful we will go on and grow. That which is not we will move on to another trial to see how it works best.  
Jacinda Ardern 
: Is the real agenda of this board to establish the forward liability of the welfare system which we already know; to oversee the implementation of her reforms which we already have a Government department for; or is it to implement the Welfare Working Group’s recommendation that the role of Work and Income be transferred to the private sector? 
Hon PAULA BENNETT 
: No. As I have quite rightly pointed out the role of the board will be to assist the department and the Minister in how we actually implement the investment approach. So we are currently working with actuaries on what that long-term liability is how that is broken up into groups and actually to the point where it gets to individuals. That is the role of the board.
Mallard Trevor: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
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Mallard Trevor: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 23 May 2012. Volume:680;Page:2372. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. Can I just do a check on that? I thought it was 61 to 60. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: Well I have counted the votes and I took particular note. 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: I am sorry. I apologise Mr Chairperson.
Bakshi Kanwaljit Singh: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
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Bakshi Kanwaljit Singh: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 23 May 2012. Volume:680;Page:2345. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
KANWALJIT SINGH BAKSHI (National) 
: 
 It is my pleasure to take a call on Part 2 of the Crown Entities Reform Bill. Part 2 of the bill relates to the expiry of the Mental Health Commission Act 1998 and the appointment of the Mental Health Commissioner under the Health and Disability Commissioner Act 1994. The Act will now expire on 30 June 2012 rather than on 31 August 2015. The bill will provide for the appointment of a Mental Health Commissioner under the Health and Disability Commissioner Act 1994 and the appointment of the chairperson of the Mental Health Commission as the first Mental Health Commissioner. I support this part of the bill.
Vote: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 23 May 2012. Volume:680;Page:2387. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That clause 2 be agreed to. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 58 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 12; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 3; Mana 1. 
Clause 2 agreed to.
Robertson H V Ross: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
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Robertson H V Ross: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 23 May 2012. Volume:680;Page:2341. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: No. The member will need to learn the correct motion that will have me agree to what the member just asked.
King Colin: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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King Colin: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Sitting date: 23 May 2012. Volume:680;Page:2309. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
5. 
COLIN KING (National—Kaikoura) 
 to the  
Minister for Tertiary Education Skills and Employment 
: What evidence has he received of the financial performance of New Zealand universities? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE (Minister for Tertiary Education Skills and Employment) 
: 
 The latest figures released by the Tertiary Education Commission today show that the overall income of New Zealand universities has increased by 2.9 percent in 2011 to $3.22 billion up from $3.12 billion in the last year. This has been driven by a 3.6 percent increase in the Government’s investment from 2002 to 2011 which has now gone up by 13.5 percent over the past 4 years. These numbers do not include additional funding paid for research from other budgets like Vote Science and Innovation and the Primary Growth Partnership. Our increased investment in universities has been achieved in very tight fiscal circumstances and has resulted in strong fiscal and educational performances by our universities in the last 4 years. 
Colin King 
: What surpluses have been recorded by New Zealand universities in 2011?  
Hon STEVEN JOYCE 
: The strong income growth in universities has resulted in New Zealand’s eight universities recording combined net surpluses of $132.2 million in 2011. That is up slightly from $128.6 million in 2010. These surpluses include some abnormal earnings from both Canterbury University and Lincoln University as a result of earthquake insurance payouts. When those are netted out the surplus across all eight universities remains a very healthy $108 million. Overall the eight universities’ net assets have remained steady at $5.9 billion. Strong universities play a crucial part in lifting innovation and high-level skills across our economy and the Government is working hard to assist them in making an even greater contribution to our country’s future. 
Grant Robertson 
: Has the increase in Government funding that he mentioned in his primary answer kept pace with inflation? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE 
: I think you will find that it is ahead of inflation which is actually a pretty amazing achievement given the tight fiscal circumstances.
Harawira Hone: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Harawira Hone: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Sitting date: 23 May 2012. Volume:680;Page:2307. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
3. 
HONE HARAWIRA (Leader—Mana) 
 to the  
Minister of Finance 
: What are the Government’s fiscal policies doing to stop the loss of New Zealanders to Australia which has now hit an 11-year high? 
Hon BILL ENGLISH (Minister of Finance) 
: 
 The Government’s policies are taking the appropriate longer-term view of turning round the 30-year problem of a wage gap with Australia. Current migration patterns reflect significantly different growth rates over the last few years where the Australian economy has been sustained by a one-in-100-year minerals boom with record high coal and iron ore prices. As Australian growth flattens out and New Zealand growth picks up we would expect the growth gap in the shorter term will close while we continue to focus on the kinds of high-quality policy decisions that are needed for the next 20 years to close the historical wage gap. 
Hone Harawira 
: Does the Minister recall asking the question in 2008: “Does the Prime Minister agree that the fact that thousands of people are leaving for Australia—in fact in record numbers—means that she failed to do what she said the 1999 election was about which was to ‘build an economy that can retain our talented and skilled people’?” and what would be his answer to exactly the same question being asked of him only 4 years later? 
Hon BILL ENGLISH 
: If the member says I asked that question I almost certainly did. I think it is a lesson in that period from 1999 to 2008 that despite the best global economic conditions in a generation New Zealand actually went backwards relative to Australia. The damage done by those policies is the damage that we have to get on and fix. 
Hone Harawira 
: Does the Minister accept that his Government’s record of having 160000 people unemployed 107000 people who cannot get enough work 500000 people on less than $16 an hour and 200000 kids and their families living in poverty has anything to do with the fact that nearly 1000 Kiwis are leaving for Australia every single week or does he think it is because in Australia the wages are higher there are heaps more jobs and the first $18000 a person earns is tax-free? 
Hon BILL ENGLISH 
: As my colleagues are pointing out that member’s party is totally opposed to the kind of mining activity from which New Zealand could benefit and which almost alone is sustaining growth rates in Australia. Given his interest in higher wages and more jobs we look forward to the support of the Mana party for the offshore drilling programmes and the coal and goldmining operations that want to expand in New Zealand.
McClay Todd: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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TODD McCLAY (National—Rotorua) 
 to the  
Minister of Finance 
: How will Budget 2012 support sustainable growth? 
Hon BILL ENGLISH (Minister of Finance) 
: 
 The Budget will invest significantly in priority areas such as infrastructure skills innovation and research as well as health education and welfare. These measures show confidence in New Zealand in uncertain times and help build a growing more competitive economy with more jobs and higher incomes. 
Todd McClay 
: What measures is the Government taking to support jobs and grow the economy? 
Hon BILL ENGLISH 
: Sustainable jobs sustainable and new jobs are created only when businesses have the confidence to invest and grow and make the decision to employ people. In the past 3 years the Government has worked to reduce the tax on work raised taxes on property speculation and approved regulations to reduce costs for businesses. I will give one example. On 1 April this year ACC levies were reduced. That reduction leaves $600 million in the pockets of New Zealanders and around $250 million in the pockets of businesses which then have the choice to employ another person or raise wages. 
Todd McClay 
: How do New Zealand’s public finances compare with those of countries in Europe? 
Hon BILL ENGLISH 
: Compared with a number of countries in Europe New Zealand’s public finances are in a great deal better shape. In Greece and in Ireland for instance there are very substantial cuts in public servants’ pay and substantial cuts in entitlements and in the size of the Public Service. Even closer to home Australia has just announced its largest fiscal contraction ever in its last Budget. The state of Victoria announced just last week 4000 redundancies in its Public Service. 
Todd McClay 
: What alternative approaches to managing public finances has he seen? 
Hon BILL ENGLISH 
: There are a number of confusing alternatives some of which say that the Government should be stimulating the economy more by perhaps not taking control of its spending. In fact in the last year or two the Government has run quite large deficits to support the economy through a difficult patch. The same people are telling us to stimulate more then criticising the Government for borrowing money. This is a bit confusing.
Robertson H V Ross: Crown Entities Reform Bill — In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Thank you for the explanation. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 32 in the name of the Hon Trevor Mallard to clause 2 be agreed to.
Upston Louise: Arms (Military Style Semi-automatic Firearms and Import Controls) Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
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LOUISE UPSTON (National—Taupo) 
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 I am pleased to take a brief call in the second reading of the Arms (Military Style Semi-automatic Firearms and Import Controls) Amendment Bill. There has been quite a lot of discussion on the fact that some of those who follow the pursuit of hunting in this country would like to have more flexibility around the sorts of weapons that they are able to use for their sport. I guess it is about balancing the need to have greater safety and security in our community. I would have to say that I have had the unfortunate experience of seeing the damage that a firearm does to the human body. If there was one thing that I would like to see less of in our country it is that.  
One of my former colleagues talked about the fact that we actually have people in this country who train these sorts of weapons on others deliberately. That is why I am more in favour of anything we can do to control the use of firearms that would in any way—accidental or otherwise—damage those in our society. Thank you.
Mitchell Mark: Juries (Jury Service and Protection of Particulars of Jury List Information) Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
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MARK MITCHELL (National—Rodney) 
: 
 It is a great pleasure to be able to stand in support of the Juries (Jury Service and Protection of Particulars of Jury List Information) Amendment Bill. I guess one observation that I have always made with regard to members of the public being called in to perform jury service is that often they are not really exposed to the seedier side of life and criminal activity. Even though they are in the safe and controlled environment of a courtroom if they are on a particularly nasty case such as a rape a serious assault or a homicide it can be quite intimidating for them to have to turn up to court and have to face an offender and aggressive witnesses. I think it is very important that we do all that we can to make them feel safe and make them feel secure so that they are able to turn up and execute their duties as a juror in a focused and objective manner.  
I think that the measure that is being put in place in terms of increasing from 30 kilometres to 45 kilometres the radius from a courthouse is a very good one because it means that the pool of available jurors is going to increase significantly. Going on jury service can be a big disruption to your life. Some of these court cases can run for up to 2 weeks 3 weeks or a month and for someone who is in permanent employment it can actually be a big disruption for them. Some of the measures that are in this bill are going to go a long way to actually help relieve some of that stress on people.  
The other thing that I really like about this bill is the fact that people aged 65 years and over have got the option available to them as to whether or not they want to serve on a jury. Actually in my experience those people who are 65 years and older—and the Minister made a very good point here—are still very active. They still want to be involved. They do not want to feel like they are being put out to pasture and many of them will present themselves for jury service. But it is also nice to know that should they feel they are not in a position either through health issues or not being able to cope with the stress to execute the duties of a juror then they also have the ability to decline jury service.  
So it is with great pleasure that I stand in support of this bill. I look forward to the Committee stage. Thank you. 
Bill read a second time.
Tisch Lindsay: Sittings of the House 
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The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Leave is sought for that purpose. Is there any objection? There is no objection.
Tisch Lindsay: Reserve Bank of New Zealand (Covered Bonds) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Tisch Lindsay: Reserve Bank of New Zealand (Covered Bonds) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Sorry to interrupt the honourable member but the time has come for me to leave the Chair.  
Sitting suspended from 6 p.m. to 7.30 p.m.
Upston Louise: Sittings of the House 
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LOUISE UPSTON (Junior Whip—National) 
: 
 We have made very good progress today and I seek leave to rise 10 minutes early.
Vote: Arms (Military Style Semi-automatic Firearms and Import Controls) Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
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[Sitting date: 22 May 2012. Volume:680;Page:2293. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Arms (Military Style Semi-automatic Firearms and Import Controls) Amendment Bill be now read a second time. 
Ayes 111 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 13; Maori Party 3; Mana 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 9 
New Zealand First 8; ACT New Zealand 1. 
Bill read a second time.
Vote: Crown Entities Reform Bill — Second Reading 
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[Sitting date: 22 May 2012. Volume:680;Page:2258. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Crown Entities Reform Bill be read a second time. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 60 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 3; Mana 1. 
Bill read a second time.
Sabin Mike: Crown Entities Reform Bill — Second Reading 
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MIKE SABIN (National—Northland) 
: 
 I will take a short call on the Crown Entities Reform Bill. It is no great surprise to my colleagues on the Government benches—or to anyone else in the House I suspect—that the Greens oppose this bill. The Greens typically do oppose reducing bureaucracy which is usually a fairly good indicator to this side of the House that we are on the right track.  
I thought I would take it up to a slightly higher level just to sum up. I think most of the matters here have been well traversed in this good piece of legislation. The National Government was re-elected in 2011 essentially because the public of New Zealand have faith in our economic leadership. A key plank in that is our priority in terms of improving public services. This bill is simply part of the Government’s overall programme to improve State sector performance and this bill will achieve efficiencies for the New Zealand public. This will improve service delivery to the New Zealand public and it will also help us achieve a better synergy across those backroom corporate functions. That is yet again another good example I believe of how this Government is heeding what the New Zealand public have realised: that we have to be more efficient in the way we go about governance.  
There were some comments made from across the floor to the effect that “If it ain’t broke don’t fix it.” I think we should not forget the fact that if it could be better we should actually aim for that. That is exactly what the New Zealand public expect of a Government. That is something this bill sets out to do. So what are we really talking about in terms of nuts and bolts? What savings are we talking about for the New Zealand public? We are talking about $19.6 million over 4 years and $4.1 million thereafter. This bill is another part and another good example of how we are supporting the New Zealand taxpayer to improve efficiency in the way the Government provides services to the front line and ensures that we have the most efficient backroom services in doing so. I commend this bill to the House.
Bakshi Kanwaljit Singh: Crown Entities Reform Bill — Second Reading 
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KANWALJIT SINGH BAKSHI (National) 
: 
 I thank you for the opportunity to speak during the second reading of the Crown Entities Reform Bill. The bill once again underscores this National-led Government’s commitment towards improving the performance of our State sector. There is very little doubt that New Zealanders expect and are entitled to a State sector that is of the 21st century and that improves as time progresses. This bill does provide what is expected by New Zealanders by making structural changes to the health and charitable sectors. The Government intends to improve services by reducing the cost of these services in the longer term. I would like to repeat the words of my learned friend Chris Auchinvole when he said that public services are not to grow but services to the public are to grow.  
I personally am very pleased with the bill because quite frankly and plainly the legislation will end up in practical savings that can be used towards providing other valuable services to New Zealanders. For instance when I spoke on this bill last time I mentioned that Counties-Manukau now has 300 extra front-line police on the road. This has been achieved by ensuring optimum utilisation of our resources.  
This omnibus bill forms structural changes to the way governance is organised across the health and charitable sectors including the establishment of a new Health Promotion Agency that will take over the functions of the Alcohol Advisory Council the Health Sponsorship Council and the Ministry of Health. This bill by no means reduces the commitment to the alcohol harm reduction programme or towards mental health services; rather we have strengthened these services. For instance mental health services functions will continue to be performed by the Office of the Health and Disability Commissioner. The Government has further strengthened the services by providing for the role of the Mental Health Commissioner within the Office of the Health and Disability Commissioner. These changes will reduce the duplication of corporate and governance overheads and ensure that the agencies can continue to deliver the front-line services that New Zealanders expect. Having outlined the positives of the bill and what it stands to deliver I commend this bill to the House.
Vote: Arts Council of New Zealand Toi Aotearoa Bill — Second Reading 
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[Sitting date: 22 May 2012. Volume:680;Page:2239. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Arts Council of New Zealand Toi Aotearoa Bill be now read a second time. 
Ayes 72 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 49 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; Mana 1. 
Bill read a second time.