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PAUL QUINN (National) 
: 
 I have taken a call because I think it is important that members of the Opposition hear what the rest of New Zealand thinks about the proposals that the Government has set out in this bill. It is very important that the rest of New Zealand has a say because they are being very badly represented by the members on the Opposition benches. I stand for the real New Zealanders whom none of those members are prepared to represent. I stand here to represent the views of the rest of New Zealand who in fact totally support this bill by an overwhelming majority. [ 
Interruption 
] Mr Chairman could I please have a bit of quiet? 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Rick Barker) 
: I say to the member that this has been a robust debate on both sides. The member is a well-known interjector who participates and makes interjections on many occasions. I think it is fair enough that when he is on his feet and being provocative he should expect a bit back in return. I can hear the member very clearly; I invite him to continue. 
PAUL QUINN 
: Thank you for your guidance Mr Chairperson. So most people—[ 
Interruption 
] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Rick Barker) 
: There are some interjections that are beyond the pale. The member knows what I am referring to. 
PAUL QUINN 
: As I was saying the rest of New Zealand agrees with the royal commission’s report which fundamentally says that the current governance of the Greater Auckland region is dysfunctional it is debilitated and it is broken. The royal commission has recommended a unitary body and Part 2 of this bill creates that unitary body. 
The Opposition throughout this debate has just grandstanded. We can start with the Hon David Cunliffe. He lives in St Marys Bay but he walks in here this morning and pontificates about the people in Manukau City and Otahuhu. He would not know one from the other! He talks about the Indian community in Mount Albert but he would not have met even one of them. He would not have been down the street to meet them; he is stuck in St Marys Bay. Yet he waltzes in here with his bibles—the four volumes of the royal commission’s report—which he plonks on the desk with great drama. Then he stands up and pretends to be a preacher in his bid for the leadership. He stands there and preaches. Well let me tell Mr David Cunliffe that he ain’t any preacher and he sure as hell is not Martin Luther. 
Then we have Mr Mallard lecturing us about our wonderful MPs and their margins. Well let us reflect on that Trevor. Paul Hutchison’s margin is outstanding: 15000-plus and going up. 
Hon Clayton Cosgrove 
: I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. Firstly I thought I would give the member a chance to breathe. Secondly members— 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Rick Barker) 
: Excuse me that is not a point of order. The member will come straight to the point of order. 
Hon Clayton Cosgrove 
: It is a convention that members are referred to by their full name not by their first name. The member referred to Mr Mallard by his first name. Between breaths he ought to adhere to the Standing Orders. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Rick Barker) 
: Members this is a robust debate; I realise that it is about 11.20 at night but people want to have a fair go. If members want to raise points of order they should be serious points of order and should not be raised in order to interrupt a person’s speech. 
Hon Clayton Cosgrove 
: I was serious. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Rick Barker) 
: The member was not entirely serious about it in my view. I invite the member Paul Quinn to continue his speech uninterrupted. 
PAUL QUINN 
: I am happy to call the member the Hon Trevor Mallard. He and I go back a long way; we are friends from way back. However he has a grudge against me for creeping into his majority. He lectures our people on our majorities but his majority has gone backwards for the last three elections—it has gone backwards. Yet he has the audacity to tell our people about majorities. 
Let us now come to the member for Rimutaka; let us talk about the member for Rimutaka. This morning the member for Rimutaka stood up and accused me of promulgating a unitary authority for the Hutt Valley based on the Auckland model. Well let me deny it; let me say that that member is wrong—that member is wrong. 
Hon David Cunliffe 
: I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. The member is clearly tired and emotional but he has gone too far— 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Rick Barker) 
: Excuse me—the member will sit down. That is not a point of order. I have made the point before that if members are going to raise points of order they should be serious points of order and they should be about order. We do not want any reflections. I will let the member start again but I want to make sure that he raises a point of order. 
Hon David Cunliffe 
: I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. Thank you. There is a longstanding convention in this Chamber that it is not permissible under the Standing Orders to accuse a member of lying. That member has just done so. I am sure you heard it and everybody else did. I ask that he withdraw and apologise. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Rick Barker) 
: Well I have to say that I was listening to the speech quite carefully and I did not get that out of it whatsoever. If the member took that reflection he is drawing a very very long bow. I remind the member that this is a robust debate this is a debating chamber and for the first time we have speeches not readings. We are having a debate tonight not readings and I think that such a time is when the House is at its best. I want the debate to flow. It would be good if people spoke to Part 2 of the Local Government (Auckland Reorganisation) Bill but given the time I am being a bit liberal about it. So let the speeches flow please. 
PAUL QUINN 
: I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I have been watching the clock but there have been so many interruptions—so many interruptions—and I do not have a stopwatch. Could you just brief me on my time— 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Rick Barker) 
: 10 seconds. 
Hon Trevor Mallard 
: I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I think that members on this side are enjoying this speech so much that we would not mind if another couple of minutes were added in by leave for this member to make his point because— 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Rick Barker) 
: No. Members cannot seek leave on behalf of other members. The member has 10 seconds to go; the bell will go and I will then take the next call. 
PAUL QUINN 
: As I was saying this bill is about a unitary authority and this morning it was suggested that I was promoting a unitary authority for the Hutt Valley. I seek leave of the Committee to table a newspaper article which says the contrary of what was said by the member for Rimutaka— 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Rick Barker) 
: Leave is sought to table a newspaper article. Is there any objection to that course of action? There is objection.