Kaye NikkiHon NIKKI KAYE (National—Auckland Central): Madam Chair I am absolutely delighted. Firstly can I just acknowledge the Hon Jenny Salesa. What a great speech. Can I suggest that potentially we haven't seen the Hon Chris Hipkins in a while—and I know I'm not supposed to mention that he's absent from the House—but at least you are in the chair and you are responding to the questions that we asked. But I've still got a few more questions to go and I want to just ask some more questions of the Minister. I'm hoping that she will immediately then respond and we can really get this debate going.So just with regard to the costs—I need the Minister to stand up and actually clarify this because as I understand it it may be $220000 in one year but the overall cost over several years is $700000. So we need to have that clarity because that is potentially I think 30000 teacher-aide hours—30000 teacher-aide hours. So we need that clarity.The second point I want to make is that I do have questions around the representative nature of each of the positions. The point I want to make—and I want to make this in response to one of the honourable members previously—is separate to the generic appointments and the point is that it does matter if you are allocated a specific representative position. And our point and my amendment around parents is exactly to say that this is about equality. This is about respecting parents just as much as some of the members opposite respect some of the union organisations. So my question for the member—this isn't about the generic appointments—is: why is it that we are not going to be very specific that there will be a dedicated appointed person that represents parents and boards of trustees?The next point that I want to make is actually in response to the member saying Well we're a busy Government because we doing 13 reviews." I sat down with a very senior education leader the other night and I said to them "Look this Government is doing about 13 education reviews." They corrected me—and I would love for the member to stand up and confirm whether this is correct—and said "It's actually not true that there are 13 reviews under way. There are 19 reviews under way." So I would love to have that clarity because I think it is relevant now that the Minister has brought this into the debate. And just along the same lines of what Simeon Brown said as to what was the review that may have happened behind the scenes to mean that this became a priority piece of legislation for the Government—so that's my other question for the member. Given that she's now brought that into the debate can she confirm that there was somehow a review before this legislation was dreamed up by the member?The next point that I want to bring in that members haven't talked about yet—and actually that a lot of members of the public and the profession probably don't know about because the Minister of Education has hidden this in the depth of a press release that links to some websites—is that one of the whole reasons for these changes was to give independence to the profession. What the profession and many people don't realise—as I see when I get out and about in New Zealand—is that the Minister has some secret plans under way to create policy directions that would mean that the Minister could tell this council what to do. Now I don't think we have heard from members opposite about that particular policy.I would like other members to address the fact that we're in this Parliament they're all standing up giving pious speeches about how this gives the profession greater autonomy and independence and then at the same time in the background the Minister of Education might be putting this piece of legislation through the committee but he is through secret plans giving himself the ability to direct the council on policy completely pulling the rug underneath many thousands of teachers in this country by directing them what to do and that is a sham. That is an absolute sham. It is an absolute sham that we are being required to debate in this committee a bill that is supposed to give greater independence but then behind the scenes the Minister is manipulating the situation so he will control this council. Thank you."