Whaitiri MekaMEKA WHAITIRI (Labour—Ikaroa-Rāwhiti): Again thank you to the Minister for his explanation on Part 3. I just want to address a couple of clauses in Part 3. The first one is clause 47 Rights of owners". If we go to clause 47 it spells out: "(1) Every owner of Māori freehold land is entitled—(a) to engage in decisions relating to the land: (b) to be informed about the land including its use and management: (c) to be heard in any proceedings relating to the land: (d) to be recognised and acknowledged as an owner of the land." Then it goes into subclause (2): "However the rights are subject to any provisions of Parts 1 to 9 [of this bill] … For example— (a) if the land is managed by a governance body—". I was listening to the Minister's explanation of this part and my question is around the remedy of the rights of owners if they feel that their rights as described in clause 47 are at all impacted. So can he draw our attention to the rights of the owners if they feel that they are not able to participate as spelt out in this particular clause? So that is clause 47.I then want to go to clause 51A—the Minister touched on the participation thresholds.Hon Te Ururoa Flavell: Sorry what was that clause again?MEKA WHAITIRI: Clause 47 "Rights of owners".Hon Te Ururoa Flavell: Yes and this one?MEKA WHAITIRI: So you have got the list there in the first—[Interruption] Yes.Sorry before I leave clause 47—subclause (3) where you talk about "does not limit or affect other rights that owners may have at law or in accordance with tikanga Māori." So again it just raises what previous speakers have said about how that would be interpreted how landowners would activate that and whose tikanga it would be talking about in terms of that particular clause. So that is clause 47.Going on to clause 51A the Minister touched on the participation thresholds and it is clearly spelt out in the bill in terms of—if there are fewer than 10 owners then all owners must be involved; between 10 and 100 owners at least 10 owners with at least 25 percent or more shares must be involved; between 100 and 500 owners at least 20 owners or 25 percent of all shares must be involved. For me my experience with Māori land holdings is that you are likely to have more than 500 owners of a block of land and the decision-making threshold is at least 50 owners with 10 percent or more shares. The question I have for the Minister—and I note the point around fragmentation; there could be more than 500 owners. We could have up to 1000 owners. We could have up to 2000 owners of a block of land and for this threshold you need only 50 landowners who collectively have 10 percent of the shares.So the question I have is: if we had a scenario of say 500—let us just keep it close—what happens to the other 450 owners? If we take the 10 percent shares what happens to the 90 percent shares? So again it is a safeguard for those 450 owners in that particular threshold and the 90 percent shareholders. I think that is something that we could ask the Minister. Those owners who fall in that category—the 450 I am talking about and the shareholders who collectively have 90 percent—what remedy do they have to have assurances that they do not lose what we have spelt out in Part 3 under clause 47 "Rights of owners"? So for me that is that one.Of course I just want to touch on—in the time I have got left—clause 51B "Second decision-making process". The Minister did give an explanation of it but as I read it—and I do understand that ultimately the Māori Land Court has the final say in terms of ensuring that the process is right. I will come back to that."