van de Molen Tim; Williams PotoTIM VAN DE MOLEN (National—Waikato): Thank you Madam Chair and thank you Minister for that information. I guess where I'm wanting to go with it is just to delve into a bit more around the definition as well. I agree that yes having that product information at hand is very useful and trying to streamline or get more consistency across the numerous building consent authorities that we have would be fantastic. I don't think there's many industry players that wouldn't wish for that.But I'm just mindful of the submission from the Frame & Truss Manufacturers Association of New Zealand and their view around building products versus building methods. So they're putting together a wall frame or a truss system by utilising a number of different products in terms of the nail plates and the timber for example that they might be using to build that but they are then producing a separate building product even though they've gone through a method and they're saying Well is what we've produced a building product or a building method because of the system in which we've done that and how is that being considered from a definition perspective in relation to this bill?" Particularly they were concerned around new section 9B(1)(a) of clause 7 just being a bit vague and that's where it comes back to that first comment I'd made around having consistency or certainty that we aren't just getting ourselves into a bit of an ambiguous space. That particular clause specifies that "(1) In this Act building method means a method—(a) for using 1 or more products or things as part of building work;" but "products or things" has no definition under this bill. Whereas what they've proposed in their submission was actually to change that to "for using building products as part of building work;" which just gave it a little bit—it felt like it was a bit tighter.I wonder if the Minister has any comment specifically around that proposal from them but also around the broader concern then around the variance between building products and building methods how that sits for businesses who are going through that pipeline or different aspects of the supply chain and merging some of that together and then creating something else and how that sits under the certification process.Hon POTO WILLIAMS (Minister for Building and Construction): Thank you. I just want to confirm with the member: we're talking clause 7 inserting new section 9A and 9B?Tim van de Molen: Yes. Yeah. It was 9B(1).Hon POTO WILLIAMS: Yep cool. Thank you for that. I just want to let the member know that new section 9A defines the building product as a product that "could reasonably be expected to be used as a component of a building;"—the definition of a building product. But new section 9A also outlines the matters that must be considered when determining whether something could reasonably be expected to be used as a component of a building and these are the components of that: "(3)(a) the purposes for which the thing is ordinarily used: (b) the purposes for which the manufacturer or supplier intends the thing to be used: (c) the purposes for which the thing is represented as being used for: (d) the purposes for which the thing is likely to be used (because of the way in which it is presented or for any other reason)."In terms of building method this is defined as "a method—(a) for using 1 or more products or things as part of building work;". The bill allows for specific products and methods to be or not to be declared building products and building methods by Order in Council should this be necessary. I also want to just advise the member—who will be aware of this anyway I'm sure—that there is sitting alongside this a set of regulations which are currently out for consultation and that will allow much more specificity and assist in the definitions and the purposes which this bill intends to effect.Hon Julie Anne Genter: Madam Chair.Tim van de Molen: Madam Chair.CHAIRPERSON (Hon Jenny Salesa): I call—Tim van de Molen: Madam Chair just on that same topic if I may.CHAIRPERSON (Hon Jenny Salesa): OK if it's on the—I call on Tim van de Molen."