Naylor JonoJONO NAYLOR (National): I think this is one of those bills where we would not actually say it is a pleasure to rise and talk about it because this is something I think none of us would particularly like to be speaking about as a topic. But I think doing something about reducing harm to young people through reducing the level of reoffending by sex offenders in our country is something we absolutely must do. I am quite convinced that this bill can contribute to this and what I have heard asked a number of times today from across the Chamber is how it will happen. Why do we think this is going to be of any use whatsoever?I just want to take people back to a conversation I remember having in the smoko room at Child Youth and Family 20 years ago—in fact it would have been 1996 when it happened. We were sitting around the smoko room talking about how useful it would be if we were able to identify and know who the previous sexual offenders against children were in our community because there were a couple of things that would then happen. One would be that when you were actually placing children with a family in care—I mean there are other checks and balances in place in terms of vetting caregivers—making sure you are not actually placing a child with a known sex offender would obviously be particularly helpful. But the other factor that was very very common and is still common now—although I have not been practising social work for a while—is that you are working as a Government agency with a family who is vulnerable with a family who is at risk it might be a single mum with some children and then a new bloke turns up and this new bloke moves into the house. As a social worker actually knowing the history of this bloke who might be turning up in this family—that he was potentially a previous child sex offender—that would be very very useful knowledge to have as a front-line social worker at your fingertips.I have heard the people over the other side of the Chamber asking how a register would be useful; well I can tell you right now that is exactly how it would be useful. It would protect some young people. No one—not the Minister not anyone who has been speaking in support of this bill—says this bill on its own will stop all reoffending of sexual offences against children in New Zealand. If only it would—if only we could find that silver bullet—I am sure we would all fire it and be quite happy. But in the meantime until we find that silver bullet it is beholden on us to continue to put forward those things that we know can be useful and that will play a part in reducing the level of reoffending involving sexual violence against young people.I want to refer to the Supplementary Order Paper that has been brought forward in the name of Darroch Ball who has claimed that the best thing we could do would be to put this register out publicly. I think it is widely accepted by everybody in this Committee—apart from the New Zealand First MPs—that that would not be a particularly useful thing to do. There is actually a reason we have name suppression in certain circumstances; so are you going to publicise all of the people on the register except for the ones who have name suppression? There is a presupposition in this that third parties or other people cannot ever know what is on this list. In this bill it has been identified that in certain circumstances this information may be released to a third party—such as the parent or guardian of a child—where that has been deemed to be appropriate in order to protect that child. So there is not a need for us to publicly go out so that Mr Ball and his mates can run around in a vigilante sort of way to hunt them down and seek them out.There are provisions in this bill to ensure that where appropriate third parties can be made aware of it and I think that actually strikes exactly the right balance of what we want. We want to be able to make sure that the professionals—the police Child Youth and Family those Government agencies that need to know—can know; and that any public who those people believe need to know because of some sort of imminent risk can be made aware of it. That is an appropriate place for this bill to land. That is an appropriate level of disclosure.