Simpson ScottHon SCOTT SIMPSON (National—Coromandel): Thank you Madam Chair. This is a significant piece of legislation that the Minister has brought to the House. It's a piece of legislation that has been anticipated in some sections of the market place in terms of vehicles but it's also a piece of legislation that has caused angst and concern particularly for those who are involved in the sale purchase and distribution of vehicles.I want to start my contribution tonight talking about exactly where the Minister has left off and that is in clause 5 particularly. Now the Minister has made mention of the high-level purposes that are defined in new section 167A(6)(a) that the fees or charges are appropriate to sustain a scheme designed to increase consumer demand for zero- and low-emission vehicles and decrease consumer demand for high-emission vehicles:". So this is essentially a high-level purpose that seeks to manipulate a market place; that's what it is trying to do. It's trying to use market forces to change behaviour. Essentially what that clause does is define at a very high level: what is perceived by the Government to be "good" purchasing behaviour will be rewarded and what is considered to be "poor" purchasing behaviour on the part of the Government will be punished. And my concern is the potential for perverse outcomes to be achieved by a market manipulation of this sort by a Government that likes to control from the centre to centralise and to manipulate markets as they see fit—will have outcomes that are unintended.Now don't get me wrong. I'm a fan of electric vehicles and I particularly want to support at every opportunity the uptake of them. But this measure of using carrots and sticks to punish people who have few choices and few options and little ability to pay and at the same time reward those who have options and can afford to pay strikes me as being contrary to the professed core values of the Labour Government which often says well it's all about caring and equity and fairness. And in this piece of legislation that simply appears not to be the case. So this is a market place that is changing and changing rapidly. There will be sections of the market place that simply don't have a choice. Now we know that over a period of time ahead of us there will be an increasingly wide range of low emission vehicles available in the market. That range of vehicles that will be available will be determined not by New Zealand legislators not by New Zealand customers not by New Zealand drivers not by New Zealand road users but actually by marketing companies and manufacturers of vehicles overseas. And they will make a range of vehicles available to for instance farmers tradies and so forth. And so this high-level purpose that is set out in subsection 6 at the moment makes it very difficult for those businesses farmers and users of vehicles who don't have a choice. Now it may be that at some time in the future they will have a choice but right at the moment they don't.And I have a question that I'd like the Minister to address and it actually relates to subsection (6)(b)(v) where it says that one of the factors that needs to be taken into account is the imposition of levels of fees and then (v) says "whether the estimated revenue to be received from the charges is sufficient to meet the costs and expenses of the clean vehicle discount scheme". Now my question to the Minister is what happens to the revenue that is collected if the revenue collected is greater than that that is paid out by subsidies under this scheme? Will that money just go into the consolidated fund? Where does it go? What happens to it? Because the potential I think is that there will be significantly more revenue collected from hard-working New Zealanders who don't have choice and can't afford it but will still have to be forced to pay this revenue-generating tax more than is paid out. So that's my question first off for the Minister."