O'Connor GregGREG O'CONNOR (Labour—Ōhāriu): Thank you Madam Chair. Look I'll just reflect on what the member opposite has been talking about. It's a real shame actually because we do have an opportunity and it doesn't matter who is in power—let's not look at the last 10 years; let's look at the last 20 years and actually just take a real good look at this. Actually as someone who's been involved in industry as has the previous speaker I defy him to say or see anything that really has worked in our time. He's been a police officer for some time been involved in the industry as have I. The reality of it is that we all did our best. We all did what we could to try and stem the tide of what we saw. We did it whether we were a dog handler we did it as a detective and we all did it—everyone involved in the sector. Whether you're a corrections officer whether you're in the courts we all actually want to do the same thing. Whatever else we do for a day job we actually live in that community and anything that fails it not only affects us; it affects our families and it affects our whole communities. So we actually all want to do something different.I think the reality of it—and I'm probably someone who's been reasonably guilty of it in the past myself—is thinking that if we just go harder tougher dig 'em deeper hang 'em higher then we're going to fix this thing. But the reality of it is it is not going to happen. We actually do have to look at another way to do it. Now I'm not standing here saying I don't agree with prison. I actually think that a smarter use of prison has got to be a very important part of what we do.We heard from corrections about recidivism rates. This is very important. We heard about 47 percent of prisoners released from prison in 2016-17 were reconvicted of an offence within 12 months. Now we can go through a whole pile of other stats but really that's what we're looking at. Now we can keep them in for longer. That might actually stop it but I suspect that that actually won't do it by itself. I personally am a believer in smarter use of sentencing for—firstly determine why we're putting people in prison. The first reason is to prevent crime. Now there are some people who are incorrigible and actually need to be inside and some of the quite good work done by the previous Government I have to say has meant that we're looking at identifying those people to make sure that they are where they should be and I'll give credit where it's deserved. However it's at that often lower level where the smarter use of prison for disrupting crime is actually what we really need to be about. So disruption can often be as little as six months where if you're a drug dealer you lose your drugs your customer base is gone and you've actually been disrupted. If we take a bit of a broader view of what we're trying to achieve here and I know that when I've been involved in various strategies in smaller areas where if you had actually just taken the right people out and had been smarter about it just forcing ourselves—and it's not just in New Zealand. It's a worldwide initiative where Opposition parties—and I'll have to say probably my own party has been guilty of it at times—build up this whole fear of crime thing because it's an easy win and again we've just heard that from someone who was a very good police officer and who was out there and whose dog was well reputed. But again none of the things that he or I have to say I myself said really actually made a difference when we tried to turn this thing around. So in the justice system putting the people together who are in the system—and I was in Christchurch just last week and I was very lucky to see one of the initiatives down there and to see people that are actually working together. Again I challenge the previous speaker to recall at the start of his own career how things were dealt with then. They were very much piecemeal and actually it didn't really work. But now it's actually a lot more smarter and we can be so much smarter about this whole thing. So I invite them. There will be more speakers here and we'll stand up and they'll beat us around the ears for various other things and they're basically hoping that people listening at home will end up scared as heck about crime. That will work. If you want to do that for the next nine years when you're in Opposition then fine—do it—and it will probably work. But actually at some stage down in the future those who are responsible for that are actually going to be responsible—they'll be hoist on their own petard. So let's just see if we can actually take a little bit of a cooperative approach to how to do this and one of the real problems that's looming—in the last few seconds left to me—is one of the things we know we really are going to have to focus on because if we get into the big stuff we'll forget it. It is organised crime. Each of the entities that came to see us we asked them about it and the sad thing about it I have to say is that most of those entities didn't really bring that up. It was only on questioning that we really talked to them about it. On organised crime and a joint ability I make this plea really to all in the committee. It's only going to be joint initiatives that are going to really deal with something that if we don't deal with it those who come after us in this place are still going to be talking about it for years to come. Thank you Madam Chair.