Shaw JamesHon JAMES SHAW (Leader—Green): Thank you Madam Assistant Speaker. It is a pleasure to have the opportunity to speak on this bill. While as the Rt Hon David Carter said earlier the Green Party generally objects to the use of urgency one of the upsides of urgency is that you actually have a proper debate. You get to respond to each other. You get to pick up points that each other make and respond to them. So given that this is the second reading I will do so because that is one of the great pleasures of this part of the process.First of all there have been some strong contributions. I would like to start with the Rt Hon David Carter because that was a thoughtful contribution and deeply knowledgable about the sector from someone who has had a long history both in this sector and also obviously in Parliament and as a Minister in this sector and I think he was displaying that. It was a pleasure actually to see him freed from the constraints of being Speaker so that he could really let rip and make some good points some of which were about the terms of reference some of which were about the process and so on. So I take those points on board. He did make one error. I'm kind of hesitant to correct the former Speaker on this but of course dairy is not actually the leading export earner in New Zealand—tourism is at the moment—so we've got to have a bit of context around this.Barbara Kuriger of course is also similarly deeply rooted in the sector. Like the Rt Hon David Carter she is someone who knows the industry and is from the industry and who makes some very good points about the industry about the effect of the legislation and about the process—all of which I think are relevant and we should pay heed to those.Mark Patterson from New Zealand First of course is someone who is a strong advocate for the sector—someone who truly understands that what New Zealand needs to do is to move up the value chain. He is someone who is concerned about countries like Ireland with their Origin Green programme who are getting ahead of us and saying Actually the way to extract more value from this industry worldwide is to focus on the 'clean green' brand to really capture the value that we have available at our fingertips." That is why he's such a strong advocate for this sector and it is good to have him in the House to do that.Now this of course brings me to the great pleasure of this evening: David Bennett. David Bennett "the Accountant" referred to this legislation as "the biggest attack on [the agricultural sector] in the next three years."—the biggest attack on this sector in the next three years—and yet at the end of the first reading when it came to votes against I didn't hear his voice. I didn't hear anyone voting against it and yet for the biggest attack on this sector in the next three years he voted for it. I find that extraordinary. The biggest attack on the sector in the next three years which you—I beg your pardon Madam Assistant Speaker. If Mr Bennett honestly believes—and I know that he doesn't—that this is the biggest attack on this sector in the lifetime of this Parliament then surely surely he would vote against it. If I thought that a sector that I was seeking to represent in this Parliament was under the kind of sustained existential attack that he spent his contribution referring to—the end of the industry; the absolute collapse of dairy in New Zealand!—then surely I would vote against that bill because it was such an existential crisis and yet he failed to do so and I noticed that no one in the National Party voted against this bill on the first reading. So I have to take his words with a grain of salt. Barbara Kuriger referred to the urban-rural divide in her speech and I do want to take a moment to acknowledge this because one of the things I personally am most worried about for the future of this country present and in the near-term is the notion and actually the very real possibility that we will have a true urban-rural divide. I am absolutely committed that we do not—that we do not—have such as divide. I have to say that the kind of language that David Bennett was using in his contribution earlier on in this debate fanned up that possibility. I know it may be great for recruitment; it may be fantastic when you stick it up on your social media pages and you say "Look here is what I'm doing heroically to defend the sector from the greatest threat in the lifetime of this Parliament." without actually voting against. That kind of language that creates the urban-rural divide. That's what creates it Mr Bennett and you should be ashamed of yourself. I dare Mr Bennett if this is the fatal dagger in the heart of the dairy industry to vote against it. I bet that he won't do that.I have to say that this has been an entertaining debate and there has been you know a great deal of I think completely over the top contributions. There have been some very thoughtful contributions made as I said from the Rt Hon David Carter and Barbara Kuriger and I think that we should take those things on board. One of the things that I think it was the Rt Hon David Carter said earlier in the debate—and I might have the speaker wrong but somebody on the National side—was that the Dairy Industry Restructuring Act (DIRA) wasn't set up to look at things like land use and it wasn't set up to look at things like the effect on the environment and so on.Hon David Bennett: That was me.Hon JAMES SHAW: That is correct. It's correct. So I will acknowledge that amongst all of the other points that he made the one point of substance that David Bennett had was that: that DIRA was not set up to look at things like land use or the effect of the industry on the environment and so on.That's correct but it has an effect—it has an effect. It wasn't set up to deal with those things but the system that is set up inside the Act has an effect on land use and the environment and a whole series of other things and that is why it is worth taking a bigger-picture view stepping back having a broader term of reference and saying "Let's take a look at this sector." and taking a look at those things. In fact this happens a lot in politics: we set up a piece of regulation and we take a narrow view of it and we say "That look goods for that" but actually it also has wider effects on the system and we don't take account of those externalities. Then we end up in a problem and we've got to go back and fix it and that is the position that this Government finds itself in. And so while that point is correct Mr Bennett actually what we need to do is to take a look at it and say "Well what are the effects on the broader system—not just inside the industry and its economics but what are the broader effects and the externalities of the way that that legislation is designed?"That is why it is worth having a review. That is why the Green Party supports this piece of legislation. That is why also I absolutely cannot take seriously this notion that this is a fatal dagger in the heart of the dairy industry that it is communism by stealth. That was actually one part of Mr Bennett's speech that I desperately miss because in virtually every other speech that David Bennett has ever had in which he's referred to the Green Party he's referred to communism by stealth. I missed that in this part. But you'll have another shot. He'll have another shot in the third reading and it'll be good to hear those words because I've missed those words from David Bennett.I do say that everybody understands the need for sustainable food production in this country. We do look at countries like Ireland who are moving ahead of the pack with things like their Origin Green branding. I have to say that ethical food production sustainable food production is one of the most noble pursuits there is. That is what this country has to aim for. That is where the value is for this country. We have some of the best farmers in the world—some of the most productive some of the most responsive farmers in the world—and what we need to do is to maintain our leadership position. That is what the Minister is attempting to do by calling for a review. That is why this particular piece of legislation is significant and any talk from the Opposition about what a fatal piece of legislation this is I think should be backed up with action. I think that they need to vote against this bill if they truly believe what they are talking about."