Jackson WillieHon WILLIE JACKSON (Minister for Māori Development): Thank you Madam Chair. It's an honour to present in this debate despite some of the strange questions coming from the Opposition. But I'll answer a couple of them because they seem to have an absolute obsession with He Puapua which I've made very clear is over—gone. However I will acknowledge the mahi of our people in terms of He Puapua as I'm sure all the Māori members here will. Claire Charters and Bill Hamilton and others who contributed to that document are brilliant. I mihi to them. Mihi nui ki a rātou mō tā rātou mahi ātaahua ki te whakatū ki te kōkiri i tērā kaupapa. [Thanks to them; sincere thanks to them for their beautiful work in instigating and championing that report.] I thought it was a very brave and courageous move from them to put such a document out and it was a catalyst for this kōrero. At the same time I want to mihi to my Uncle Moana Jackson and my wife's whanaunga Aroha Mead who are two of the original people who talked about indigenous rights—it must be 30 years ago—and have been role models in terms of this kaupapa in terms of the United Nations declaration that was brought up by them in the 1980s and 1990s when my Uncle Moana was talking about a separate legal system and certainly upset mainstream New Zealand at the time. I mihi to them for their work in terms of strengthening and identifying indigenous rights rights that were recognised by the National Party and John Key in 2010 who took up the challenge from former party leader of the Māori Party Pita Sharples—the co-leaders at the time who talked about New Zealand buying into the declaration—and well done to National and the Māori Party at the time for following through in terms of the declaration. So let's be very clear: that's what we're talking about today and we've reignited the whole debate through He Puapua and of course now we're on track in terms of the declaration. I made a speech at Ngā Whare Waatea Marae which talked about how we would now progress in terms of the declaration. It's a two-step declaration—it's a two-step process I should say in terms of addressing the declaration. The first step will be negotiation or consultation with Māori. Now you do that because it's an indigenous declaration. I know that shocks and horrifies some of the National Party members but when it's an indigenous declaration that means Māori first and foremost. That does not mean Pākehā people miss out. That just means we honour the obligation in terms of Māori and we talk with our people in terms of what they want their hopes their dreams—where do they see New Zealand in terms of tino rangatiratanga in terms of kaupapa Māori in terms of co-governance and partnership which the National Party introduced with Ngāi Tūhoe and Tāmati Kruger some years ago and embraced the concept of co-governance and partnership. We're going to traverse all those areas over the next few months. So our Te Puni Kōkiri (TPK)—just for the member who asked the question—are currently working with the Iwi Leaders Forum. By the end of August they'll seek ministerial approval for a targeted engagement strategy. I will be looking at that. After an approved targeted engagement we're going to commence consultation with iwi Māori right through to the end of November. It'll be across all organisations Māori organisations—not just iwi organisations—and it'll be a focused whānau-driven approach. In December there'll be a report back to Cabinet to seek approval in terms of drafting a declaration plan. A governance group will be chaired by Professor Margaret Mutu and comprised of Dayle Takitimu Aroha Mead Liana Poutu and Bill Hamilton and they'll liaise with Ministers. A steering committee comprised of Geoff Short Tricia Keelan and Dr Claire Charters will provide oversight to the project and a working group comprised of TPK staff Health Research Council staff and Pou Tikanga - appointed staff will undertake the groundwork. So that's the sort of process going forward and of course we will be consulting with the rest of New Zealand as we must and as we should over the next six months. So I think that the hysteria that the National Party have been trying to stir up hasn't worked at all in their favour. As you can see people are not particularly concerned about this kaupapa because most New Zealanders understand that for this nation to go forward we must have strong partnerships. We must work together. We must share in terms of resourcing and the National Party and Māori Party laid some of that ground work and we're certainly continuing with the work not doing a lot of things different other than providing much more resourcing.In terms of rangatiratanga I've always said to my whanaunga over there Rawiri from the Māori Party that there's no—CHAIRPERSON (Hon Jacqui Dean): Order! Order! The member will address the member by his full name. Hon WILLIE JACKSON: Sorry—apologies Madam Chair. Rawiri Waititi—there's no rangatiratanga in Parliament; only on your marae.Rawiri Waititi: Don't get nervous Minister.Hon WILLIE JACKSON: Only on your marae—there's no rangatiratanga here. You come in and you bow to the Westminster system and that's what it's all about. It doesn't matter how many hakas you do this is not tino rangatiratanga territory. This is a Westminster set-up and the best thing you can do here is just get the deal and the deal here for us is Māori resourcing and Māori funding. We got record Māori funding and resourcing as the chair of the Māori Affairs Committee said in the last Budget: $263 million of new money $42 million put aside for Māori media $20 million in terms of our whenua Māori. Through that type of funding and resourcing we're hoping that some of our groups might be able to achieve forms of tino rangatiratanga. But to think you can get tino rangatiratanga here I think is in la-la land.In terms of procurement progressive procurement spreads the benefits of the Government's $51.5 billion spend per year on procurement of goods and services to the wider community—it's now being spread—and we have Amotai who are involved with that. The member criticises the 5 percent but the 5 percent was brought about by a former Minister Nanaia Mahuta and I think she's done a really good job in putting that percentage in. Rawiri Waititi: Oh throw Nanaia under the bus!Hon WILLIE JACKSON: We got a lot of—see we can never win. The Opposition say it's separatist and apartheid having 5 percent in terms of procurement. The Māori Party call us sell-outs. So we can't win—we can't win—but we know we're on the right track and our hope is obviously that we can increase that. But we've had a huge response in terms of our Māori and Māori businesses who are open to an opportunity they never had under the National Party.In terms of where the question—Hon Members: What about the question?Hon WILLIE JACKSON: Oh I think I've answered a number of questions—I'll keep going. In terms of Mātāwai I think that question came up—Mātāwai—I'm dealing with the chairs at the moment. They're finding their way Mātāwai at the moment in terms of how they work with Te Arawhiti. I think it's important that we get the strategy right. If there is a problem everyone's related and everybody's all been on the same boards. So we're all going around in circles and we have terms. Sometimes they're with the Crown and sometimes they're wearing the tino rangatiratanga hat—and we've got Wena Tait who I've just appointed to Mātāwai. She's been with Māori TV. Now she's going to be my Crown appointment. You know it's only a small pool and as I've always said—Christopher Luxon: Point of order Madam Chair. It's a very entertaining conversation as the Minister's always very entertaining. But I'm not sure about relevance to what he's actually talking about in answering the questions because we've conceded some time and we've said we'll do this in 20 minutes and we're not making the most of it.CHAIRPERSON (Hon Jacqui Dean): I thank the member. I thank the member for his point of order. Hon WILLIE JACKSON: Well I'm answering the question about Mātāwai which was a question from the member and all I'm saying is it's very hard being Māori operating on Māori initiatives because people talk about conflicts of interest and I always say Well you can't be a Māori if you don't have a conflict of interest." That's just the reality. Because we're whanaunga; we're friends right across the spectrum. But I'll take a break now if someone else wants to ask questions."