Mitchell MarkHon MARK MITCHELL (National—Rodney): Thank you Madam Chair. I'd just like to speak quickly to two Supplementary Order Papers (SOPs) 418 and 419 that are in my name. I would like to make another appeal to the Minister: it's never too late to be able to sit down talk about and make changes to this bill so that we can all be satisfied it's strong enough to put the protection in place that we need as a nation. These SOPs relate to age. My colleague Chris Penk just made a very good contribution on this. The reality of this is that all these Supplementary Order Papers are doing is bringing us in line with Australia and the UK. Australia had to go back and change their legislation because they had a threat from a 15-year-old and they realised that their legislation wouldn't capture that eventuality. The sad reality and it is very sad is that 14- 15- and 16-year-olds can be radicalised. They can actually go with their families overseas and be put into that environment—an environment like the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS)—and they can be radicalised. Unfortunately they are a danger and they are dangerous and they do present a danger. We see that sadly in New Zealand with actual crime serious assaults robberies and even murders committed by juveniles 14 through to 17 years old. We know that they do have sadly the capacity to kill.So something short on SOP 419 this provision would be for a control order for a 14-year-old to be for up to 6 months up until the age of 18 where the 2-year duration would take effect. Lowering the age to 14 would align the Bill with the Australian legislation. Australia introduced control order legislation for 16-year-olds and over but in 2016 reduced the age threshold to 14 due to a case of a 15-year-old being radicalised." which I mentioned.So I would appeal to the Minister in the chair the Hon Andrew Little. I have appealed to New Zealand First on this and in particular the defence Minister the Hon Ron Mark because I honestly felt that although we disagree on a lot of things his service overseas in particular in his own service in our defence force actually gave him an insight into the types of threats that do exist and are real and that we do face. I'm disappointed because I know that he is handling this bill for New Zealand First that he's made no major contribution other than a brief 30-second contribution yesterday. I know that he feels he's a great entrepreneur but I can tell you that he's currently our defence Minister. Our New Zealand Defence Force have made a huge sacrifice for us in their deployment to Camp Taji in Iraq. I want to acknowledge them and the outstanding work that they've done and the major contribution they've made in the dismantling and defeat of ISIS and the caliphates in both Iraq and Syria. They are watching. They understand. They know what the threat is. They know how they think. They know how they operate. Speak to any of our returning New Zealand Defence Force personnel that've been up there. They will tell you that there is a genuine threat and that we're not immune to it. Their expectation is that we put proper legislation in place. I would expect the defence Minister to be supportive of the changes that we want to make to make this bill stronger. Just very quickly on Supplementary Order Paper 418 "This Supplementary Order Paper amends the Terrorism Suppression (Control Orders) Bill by amending clause 6 to ensure control orders will capture those convicted of a terrorist offence in New Zealand." This again directly related to what the Australians and British have experienced. "The Bill as introduced does not consider those convicted of a terrorism-related offence in New Zealand as a relevant person to which a control order will apply." We disagree. We think that this bill should be able to respond to an internal threat. The amendment will include: "a relevant person on whom a control order is to be imposed is a person who has been convicted in New Zealand of an offence relating to a terrorist act. This amendment would make the legislation align with the Australian version. The Government has assured the Opposition that a similar change is coming with a second tranche of anti-terrorism laws; however we believe this cannot wait". There's an opportunity now. The Minister alluded to the Terrorism Suppression Act 2002 and the changes that he wants to make. There's a chance right now with his own bill that's in this committee to make that change."