Davis Kelvin: Returning Offenders (Management and Information) Bill — In Committee Third ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeDavis Kelvin: Returning Offenders (Management and Information) Bill — In Committee Third Reading[Sitting date: 17 November 2015. Volume:710;Page:8122. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]KELVIN DAVIS (Labour—Te Tai Tokerau): Talking to clause 1 the title clause I pick up on a number of points that previous speakers have made. The title will be the “Returning Offenders (Management and Information) Act 2015” but Jacinda Ardern has made the perfect argument that many of these people are not returning New Zealanders. Let me give you an example. When I was on Christmas Island and visited the 8 detainees one of them was a young man by the name of Ronald Neilson. He looked and he sounded Australian and let me tell you: the reason he looked and sounded Australian is because he was born in Australia—he was born there.Paul Foster-Bell: How does one look Australian?KELVIN DAVIS: “How does one”—obviously the member there has not been to Christmas Island has not spoken to these people and absolutely does not know what I know about their situation. It is fine for him to sit over there in his seat spouting off but he does not actually understand the human side of this whole situation and he does not care.The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch): Order!KELVIN DAVIS: Let me explain. This man is Australian. He was born there and yet this bill that that member’s party has written talks about returning offenders. Well he is not returning anywhere. He is being deported from his homeland. That is the point that the member needs to look at.Then we talked about the offenders. We have got Kō Rūtene who has not committed any offence in New Zealand or Australia. The Minister of Justice said last night that he is not going to be subject to this legislation if he gets deported back to New Zealand. There will not be somebody at the airport waiting to ask him for his identifying particulars and that to ask for his identifying information and that is good but he is also not going to be eligible for the $200 in his back pocket or 5 nights in a motel while he is trying to get himself on his feet.I also raise that case about Kō Rūtene because there are going to be more and more New Zealanders—or more and more Australian New Zealanders—who are going to be deported. I do not know if anyone has heard about the ill-fated Operation Fortitude which was set up in Melbourne in late October where the Australian authorities—The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch): Order! [Interruption] Order! The member will sit. We are on the title and commencement clauses. You have had more than half your speech so far in summing up which you are allowed to do. It is a peroration; that is fine. I would now like to hear something on the title and commencement.KELVIN DAVIS: Thank you Mr Chair but I am talking about people who are going to be deported under this bill who are said to be offenders yet they have not offended. Operation Fortitude an ill-fated police and Australian Border Force operation in Australia—it is going to end up that more people are going to be deported as offenders. Then we have the word “management”. Well this is mismanagement because these people’s situations will not be managed other than a couple of hundred dollars in the back pocket 5 nights in a motel and then nothing. There is going to be no support for them beyond that. What they are going to do is the question.The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch): Tie it back to the title and commencement. Tie it back to the title and commencement.KELVIN DAVIS: I am talking about the management of these people.The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch): Tie it back to the title and commencement. Tie it back.KELVIN DAVIS: It is. I am talking about the word “management” which is in the title Mr Chair. These people are not going to be managed.The information that is then being collected—well it is scratchy information at best. One of the best examples of the information that is going to be collected from them is their address. When you have just got out of Christmas Island—sorry not you Mr Chair. When a person has just got off Christmas Island has just got out of a detention centre in Australia and is brought back here they will have no address. They have no address to return to. Let me tell you about another detainee who is coming back who has connections to the Bay of Plenty area. He was raised in New Zealand where he had a horrific childhood suffering all sorts of things. He witnessed his father murder his mother. His father committed suicide. He was sexually abused. He does not want to go back there to where he came from. He told me on the island that there is no way on earth he wants to go back to where he came from to his former address and possibly meet the people who have committed the abuses against him. So these people are not being managed. The information about them that is going to be collected such as their addresses is going to change because their lives are in a state of flux. We need to be cognisant of that whole situation around it. The title “Returning Offenders (Management and Information) Act 2015” will not I believe really represent the full picture. It does not represent—