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Fenton Darien: Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims (2012 Expiry and Application Dates) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Fenton Darien: Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims (2012 Expiry and Application Dates) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 26 June 2012. Volume:681;Page:3319. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
DARIEN FENTON (Labour) 
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 I rise to take a very brief call on the Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims (2012 Expiry and Application Dates) Amendment Bill. It has been very interesting listening to the debate because this bill is new to me. It has been very interesting listening to the Hon Phil Goff and Charles Chauvel explain the history of this bill and the background to it and also set out Labour’s position on this whole issue of compensation but also victims’ rights very clearly and I think very succinctly. 
The bill is about extending the restrictions on the award of compensation under the Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims Act 2005 because they are due to expire on 1 July so it extends the deadline for one more year. It is a temporary measure and I do want to put on the record my unease about the pace that this has gone through the process. I understand the bill had its first reading on 2 May. It was a very short time frame for submissions. There were five submissions four of which were opposed to the bill for human rights concerns. 
I also understand that since the enactment of that legislation in 2005 there have been a low number of cases such as the one that triggered the original legislation. Labour believes that an inquiry into the legislation—and I am pleased to hear the Minister’s assurances about what will take place in the next year and to see whether it could be repealed or could be replaced with an alternative—is a good course of action. I hope that there will be a genuine look at the options around this bill. The Labour Party has made it clear that it supported the extension of the sunset clause only to ensure that if replacement legislation is required it can be developed. We do not think the need for replacement legislation has been made clear and a review of the claims under this legislation is required to ensure that the correct balance between compensation for breaches by the Crown and the need to remedy the victims is struck. So with those few words I am pleased to support this bill in its Committee stage.
Borrows Chester: Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims (2012 Expiry and Application Dates) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Borrows Chester: Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims (2012 Expiry and Application Dates) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 26 June 2012. Volume:681;Page:3317. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon CHESTER BORROWS (Associate Minister of Justice) 
: 
 Thank you for the opportunity to take a short call in respect of this Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims (2012 Expiry and Application Dates) Amendment Bill. Points have been made across the House that have been very pertinent to the question of the extension the validity of extending this legislation forward for 12 months in order to get a solution that has buy-in from other parties and will see us into the future. I also pick up on the points made by Charles Chauvel and the Hon Phil Goff in respect of the need to be able to get some permanent solution in respect of compensation and remediation for the wrongs that are done by offender to victim and the anomaly that the victim of a person in prison has the ability to get some compensation but the victim of an offender who has a community-based sentence or who has been released from prison who later comes into a degree of wealth does not. I think these are all questions that need to be addressed. 
I also take the point that the way that we treat those who are the most despised in our community is also a measure of our civilisation as a society. I do not believe for a moment that we can turn a blind eye to the fact that many of our victims end up in prison because they are also offenders and vice versa. I believe that it is important that we put victims at the centre of our justice system and at the same time recognise that on occasion those victims are standing in the dock. I think a number of these questions are hard questions but there will be a way that we can chart through it. I believe it is incumbent on us as a Government to do that. 
I do also want to make another point and that is we have been criticised as a Government for not getting to this legislation over the 3 years prior to the last election. It should be pointed out that this Government passed a large amount of legislation through the Law and Order Committee and the Justice and Electoral Committee and the vast majority of those pieces of legislation were supported by the Opposition. It cannot be said by any means or in any manner whatsoever that this Government was recalcitrant in its duty to pass legislation. It is not unusual for sunset clauses to be extended when Governments of either colour have not been able to get to that legislation. I commend this bill to the House.
Upston Louise: Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims (2012 Expiry and Application Dates) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Upston Louise: Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims (2012 Expiry and Application Dates) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 26 June 2012. Volume:681;Page:3312. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
LOUISE UPSTON (Junior Whip—National) 
: 
 I seek leave of the Committee for this bill to be debated as one question.
Roy Eric: State-Owned Enterprises Amendment Bill Public Finance (Mixed Ownership Model) Amendment Bill — Third Readings 
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Roy Eric: State-Owned Enterprises Amendment Bill Public Finance (Mixed Ownership Model) Amendment Bill — Third Readings 
[Sitting date: 26 June 2012. Volume:681;Page:3312. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Order! Order! The member will resume his seat. I have ruled on this matter. There is no reason for a personal vote. I call on Government order of the day No. 3. 
Andrew Williams 
: Point of order Mr Speaker. 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Look I have ruled on this matter. 
Andrew Williams 
: Well I would like to seek that the Speaker be— 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: I am the Speaker for the purpose of this Parliament. If the member raises one more point of order he will leave the Chamber.
Williams Andrew: State-Owned Enterprises Amendment Bill Public Finance (Mixed Ownership Model) Amendment Bill — Third Readings 
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Williams Andrew: State-Owned Enterprises Amendment Bill Public Finance (Mixed Ownership Model) Amendment Bill — Third Readings 
[Sitting date: 26 June 2012. Volume:681;Page:3312. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
ANDREW WILLIAMS (NZ First) 
: 
 No. We cannot be 100 percent sure that all—
Roy Eric: State-Owned Enterprises Amendment Bill Public Finance (Mixed Ownership Model) Amendment Bill — Third Readings 
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Roy Eric: State-Owned Enterprises Amendment Bill Public Finance (Mixed Ownership Model) Amendment Bill — Third Readings 
[Sitting date: 26 June 2012. Volume:681;Page:3312. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Well we are not going to address the same point of order Mr Williams.
Roy Eric: State-Owned Enterprises Amendment Bill Public Finance (Mixed Ownership Model) Amendment Bill — Third Readings 
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Roy Eric: State-Owned Enterprises Amendment Bill Public Finance (Mixed Ownership Model) Amendment Bill — Third Readings 
[Sitting date: 26 June 2012. Volume:681;Page:3312. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: The answer is that this is a vote that has been carried by one which has quite frequently been the case. In no previous case in my experience in the House has a majority of a single vote—where there have been clearly cast votes—been any reason for a personal vote to be taken. So the point of order is overruled. 
Andrew Williams 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker.
Williams Andrew: State-Owned Enterprises Amendment Bill Public Finance (Mixed Ownership Model) Amendment Bill — Third Readings 
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Williams Andrew: State-Owned Enterprises Amendment Bill Public Finance (Mixed Ownership Model) Amendment Bill — Third Readings 
[Sitting date: 26 June 2012. Volume:681;Page:3311. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
ANDREW WILLIAMS (NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I would like to draw your attention to Standing Order 141 “Personal vote following party vote” where it says: “A personal vote may be held following a party vote if a member requests one and the Speaker considers that the decision on the party vote is so close that a personal vote may make a material difference to the result.” I think this vote is so close and this is very very significant legislation before this House. I would request that a personal vote be taken. I would seek the Speaker’s ruling that this become a personal vote on this matter.
Vote: State-Owned Enterprises Amendment Bill Public Finance (Mixed Ownership Model) Amendment Bill — Third Readings 
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Vote: State-Owned Enterprises Amendment Bill Public Finance (Mixed Ownership Model) Amendment Bill — Third Readings 
[Sitting date: 26 June 2012. Volume:681;Page:3311. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Public Finance (Mixed Ownership Model) Amendment Bill be now read a third time.  
Ayes 61 
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 60 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 3; Mana 1. 
Bill read a third time.
Vote: State-Owned Enterprises Amendment Bill Public Finance (Mixed Ownership Model) Amendment Bill — Third Readings 
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Vote: State-Owned Enterprises Amendment Bill Public Finance (Mixed Ownership Model) Amendment Bill — Third Readings 
[Sitting date: 26 June 2012. Volume:681;Page:3311. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the State-Owned Enterprises Amendment Bill be now read a third time.  
Ayes 61 
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 60 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 3; Mana 1. 
Bill read a third time.
Roy Eric: State-Owned Enterprises Amendment Bill Public Finance (Mixed Ownership Model) Amendment Bill — Third Readings 
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Roy Eric: State-Owned Enterprises Amendment Bill Public Finance (Mixed Ownership Model) Amendment Bill — Third Readings 
[Sitting date: 26 June 2012. Volume:681;Page:3311. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Order! [ 
Interruption 
] Order! I have called for order. Members the Mixed Ownership Model Bill that was reported back to the House was divided into two bills in the Committee stage so there are two questions.
Roy Eric: State-Owned Enterprises Amendment Bill Public Finance (Mixed Ownership Model) Amendment Bill — Third Readings 
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Roy Eric: State-Owned Enterprises Amendment Bill Public Finance (Mixed Ownership Model) Amendment Bill — Third Readings 
[Sitting date: 26 June 2012. Volume:681;Page:3305. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: This is a split call. The first call goes to the Greens.
Flavell Te Ururoa: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Flavell Te Ururoa: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Sitting date: 26 June 2012. Volume:681;Page:3283. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
11. 
TE URUROA FLAVELL (Maori Party—Waiariki) 
 to the  
Minister for the Environment 
: Does she agree with Bay of Plenty Regional Council Pollution Prevention Manager Nick Zaman that “courts council and the wider community will not tolerate the pollution of our environment” and if so what action will she take to encourage farmers and farm owners to comply with their legal responsibilities to protect waterways? 
Hon AMY ADAMS (Minister for the Environment) 
: 
 I certainly agree that all New Zealand is rightly concerned to ensure that water quality is maintained and where possible enhanced. That is why this Government is taking clear action against water degradation from all sources not just farming including implementing the Fresh Start for Fresh Water programme; establishing the Land and Water Forum; assisting in the refreshing and expanding of the Dairying and Clean Streams Accord including nutrient budgeting and stream fencing; preparing and implementing the National Policy Statement on Freshwater Management; doubling penalties for Resource Management Act offences; and working with local authorities to ensure they are properly monitoring and enforcing standards. I note that Mr Zaman went on to say that actually most farms are doing a really good job. 
Te Ururoa Flavell 
: What mechanisms does Government have to ensure that proper checks and monitoring are in place to prevent the unlawful discharge of effluent and what responsibility can Government expect the industry to take for the way in which it responds to the effluent spill in Maketu by Armer Farms? 
Hon AMY ADAMS 
: Central government’s role in this is to set the framework including the legislation under which it operates and the penalties which as I noted we have doubled. It is the responsibility of local government to be concerned with the monitoring and enforcing of resource consent conditions. For our part what we do is we work very closely with local councils to ensure that they are adequately carrying out those monitoring and enforcement obligations and I would say that we expect industry regardless of its sector to be properly managing the environmental impacts of its activities. 
Te Ururoa Flavell 
: What influence will the Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill have in assisting farmers and farm owners to comply with the Dairying and Clean Streams Accord? 
Hon AMY ADAMS 
: Well I just suggest that the member is probably better to set down any questions he has around that bill to the Minister in charge of it the Minister for Primary Industries.
Ross Jami-Lee: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Ross Jami-Lee: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Sitting date: 26 June 2012. Volume:681;Page:3281. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
9. 
JAMI-LEE ROSS (National—Botany) 
 to the  
Associate Minister of Transport 
: What reports has he received on the public’s understanding of the new give way rules? 
Hon SIMON BRIDGES (Associate Minister of Transport) 
: 
 I am informed that Kiwis are giving way like never before. We are a little over 3 months into the change and I want to give credit to Kiwi drivers for the smooth switch-over to the new give-way rules. In April the New Zealand Transport Agency commissioned a survey of a thousand drivers. It shows high levels of awareness and understanding of the rule changes: 90 percent of respondents chose the correct option when asked which vehicles give way at an uncontrolled T-intersection compared with just 61 percent surveyed in February. For the right-hand turn rule 89 percent answered correctly compared with 74 percent in the earlier survey. 
Jami-Lee Ross 
: Are there any other indicators that show that drivers are adjusting well to the changes? 
Hon SIMON BRIDGES 
: More good news for the House. To date there have been no serious incidents attributable to the changes. AA Insurance has reported only a handful of claims for minor crashes. There were a few very vocal critics who predicted widespread chaos and argued Kiwis would not be able to cope with the changes. These naysayers have been proved wrong.
Cosgrove Clayton: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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[Sitting date: 26 June 2012. Volume:681;Page:3280. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
8. 
Hon CLAYTON COSGROVE (Labour) 
 to the  
Minister of Finance 
: Does he stand by his statement regarding SOE chief executive salaries that “There’s a couple of bigger pay increases I think three with the energy companies which will be probably related to the share float that’s coming”; if so does he support the $451873 pay increase for the Chief Executive of Mighty River Power whose pay is increasing from $1317469 to $1769342? 
Hon BILL ENGLISH (Minister of Finance) 
: 
 As the member will know from his time as Minister of State Owned Enterprises Ministers are not involved in setting the pay. There are a number of considerations that the board of Mighty River Power would be taking into account but we would urge the energy companies to show restraint because that is the current mood of the country. 
Hon Clayton Cosgrove 
: Is he aware that since Contact Energy was privatised remuneration for the board increased from $385000 to $1008000; if so what guarantees can he give New Zealanders that the same thing will not occur on the boards of Mighty River Power Genesis Power and Meridian Energy after they are sold off? 
Hon BILL ENGLISH 
: I was not aware of that. 
Hon Clayton Cosgrove 
: What guarantees can he give New Zealanders that these substantial costs like big pay increases to board members and chief executives and $120 million spent on merchant bankers to do the deal will not be clawed back through higher power prices on the back of consumers? 
Hon BILL ENGLISH 
: As has been discussed in this House over recent weeks the improved competitiveness of the electricity market means that no company can afford to indulge in unnecessary spending and automatically get that back off customers. They used to be able to do that when Labour was running these companies when chief executives’ salaries trebled and power prices went up 72 percent in 8 years. 
Hon Clayton Cosgrove 
: Given that he has stated that the sale of State-owned assets is all about “reducing debt” why is his Government doing everything it can to reduce the amount it will receive from the sales through the issuing of free loyalty bonus shares and the setting aside of additional shares for the settlement of Treaty claims not to mention big pay rises for chief executives and boards et al.? 
Hon BILL ENGLISH 
: Well the Government is striking a reasonable balance between getting good value for taxpayers and achieving our objectives of 51 percent Crown ownership and widespread Kiwi ownership of these companies. I notice the member is increasingly agreeing with the policy because now his party has promised not to buy these companies back.
Parker David: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Parker David: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Sitting date: 26 June 2012. Volume:681;Page:3275. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
4. 
Hon DAVID PARKER (Labour) 
 to the  
Minister of Finance 
: Does he stand by his statement that “We are a government that thinks getting results is what’s really important”? 
Hon BILL ENGLISH (Minister of Finance) 
: 
 Yes particularly when you look at the progress we have made. We inherited an economy that had been in recession for a year forecasts of never-ending deficits ever-rising Government debt record net international liabilities approaching 85 percent and a near-record current account deficit of 8 percent of GDP. Despite many difficulties since all of these have improved. 
Hon David Parker 
: As part of the Better Public Services targets he announced yesterday did he give Treasury targets and milestones for wage growth overseas debt reduction or export growth? 
Hon BILL ENGLISH 
: Measures of those are made every day. The accountability for economic management is crystal clear and occurs every time new data becomes available. The member knows that because he comments on it regularly. 
Hon David Parker 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. My question was whether he had given Treasury targets not what the historical figures are. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The member’s point is absolutely correct. He asked a dead straight question. He asked whether or not Treasury had been given targets for those matters. 
Hon BILL ENGLISH 
: No. 
Hon David Parker 
: As part of the Better Public Services targets he announced yesterday did he give Treasury targets for making New Zealand superannuation sustainable? 
Hon BILL ENGLISH 
: If the member actually read the results that were published yesterday he would see that they do not include those targets. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Order! Order! The question was not a loaded question. It was a reasonable question and therefore the questioner should not be abused. The questioner asked whether Treasury had been given targets for sustainability of superannuation. I call the Hon Bill English. 
Hon Gerry Brownlee 
: We’re now on to yes or no answers. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Order! The Hon Bill English is to answer the question. 
Hon BILL ENGLISH 
: The Government published the results for the Public Service yesterday and the suggestions that the member is making are not on that list. If he read it he would know that. 
Hon David Parker 
: In the 4 years approximately that he has been in Government what targets has he set pursuant to his promises to close the wage gap with Australia and have those targets if any been met? 
Hon BILL ENGLISH 
: As the member will know the Government set a target by means of the 2025 Taskforce on closing the gap with Australia. Along the way as we have discussed in here a number of times the net after-tax wage gap with Australia has closed slightly.
Sage Eugenie: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
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Sage Eugenie: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
[Sitting date: 21 June 2012. Volume:681;Page:3270. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
EUGENIE SAGE (Green) 
: 
 I rise to take a short call on the Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill. Before I start I would just like to say that the criticism that Mr McKelvie made of my colleague— 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: I am sorry to interrupt the member but this bill is set down for resumption next sitting day. 
Debate interrupted.
Roy Eric: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
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Roy Eric: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
[Sitting date: 21 June 2012. Volume:681;Page:3268. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: This is a split call. Two 5-minute calls so there will be a 1-minute bell.
Sabin Mike: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
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Sabin Mike: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
[Sitting date: 21 June 2012. Volume:681;Page:3268. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
MIKE SABIN (National—Northland) 
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 I will take a short call on this very important bill before the House the Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill. The previous speaker made mention of the pricing capacity. The reason for that is that Fonterra processors have to be in a position to process all the milk in case the competitors that Fonterra is required to supply under this legislation choose not to take it. So Fonterra has to be in a position to process that milk. 
I just want to briefly discuss the huge implications of this legislation. I want to commend members of the Primary Production Committee which I have been privileged to be a little bit of a part of from across the political spectrum for the robustness and integrity shown by members to tease through this very important legislation and work it to be as it should be. I also want to acknowledge the fact that this is a very very important part of my electorate’s economy and so I have a very very significant interest in watching the progression of this bill through the House. At the end of the day what this legislation is about and what dairy is about is ensuring that we have the most efficient dairy industry possible in this nation. 
Just in closing with regard to Trading Among Farmers I just want to make this point. Ultimately the judge of this will be the farmers who will vote on Trading Among Farmers itself. I have great pleasure in commending this bill to the House.
O'Connor Damien: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
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O'Connor Damien: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
[Sitting date: 21 June 2012. Volume:681;Page:3268. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon DAMIEN O’CONNOR (Labour—West Coast - Tasman) 
: 
 I referred to a report in my speech and it is not part of the submissions of the Primary Production Committee. I seek leave to table a report by Dr Onno van Bekkum. It is called  
Fonterra Farmers’ 2nd Vote on TAF: A Second Opinion 
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Roy Eric: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
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Roy Eric: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
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Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought for that purpose. Is there anyone opposed to that course of action? There appears to be no objection. Leave is granted. 






Document by leave laid on the Table of the House.
McKelvie Ian: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
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McKelvie Ian: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
[Sitting date: 21 June 2012. Volume:681;Page:3265. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
IAN McKELVIE (National—Rangitikei) 
: 
 Given the recent point of order I will very quickly take the opportunity to declare my lack of interest in the dairy industry. At the start of this process— 
Chris Hipkins 
: Oh outrageous! What electorate does he represent? 
IAN McKELVIE 
: At the start of— 
Hon David Cunliffe 
: Why is he speaking? 
IAN McKELVIE 
: I have got only a couple of seconds here. At the start of this process I did have an interest in the dairy industry. I no longer have one as of 1 June. I just want to take this opportunity to speak and I guess it saddens me to think that we had to listen to what I can only think of as a scurrilous attack on an industry that has served this country amazingly for 100 years by the Green member who spoke earlier. I think it is a shame when we have to put up with that sort of stuff. I accept that we do not all agree with things but there is no need to attack an industry that has served our country in the manner that it has. 
The Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill surprising as it may seem is probably the most important piece of legislation that will go through this House in this term of Government. When you think of the contribution this organisation makes to New Zealand and the fact that it is a creature of statute we have no choice but to re-regulate it. That is how the system works. It will have a massive impact on New Zealand’s dairy industry and on New Zealand’s future. Having sat through the select committee process I spent a lot of time getting myself confident and comfortable with the fact that this is the best possible solution for the New Zealand dairy industry in general. And the reason for this being the best possible solution is that— 
Hon David Parker 
: You don’t know that. 
IAN McKELVIE 
: I said that I am satisfied myself. If we do not make progress in life we go nowhere. It is time for Fonterra and the New Zealand dairy industry to take the next step. The last 10 years have been hugely successful for the industry and I think that will continue. So I have no problem supporting this bill having given it a great deal of consideration and I think that the Primary Production Committee did a fair bit of work on that as well. I have no problem supporting this bill as it goes forward in the House. Thank you.
Roy Eric: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
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Roy Eric: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
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Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: I think and I am going from recollection here that Mr Ardern said that he had an interest in the dairy industry. I do not think that he actually linked it to the legislation and that is why he spoke with some passion about that. I do not think any member—and I would need to check the record but I was in the Chair at the time—said that they had a particular interest directly relating to this bill but some acknowledged an interest in the dairy industry.
Mallard Trevor: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
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Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I think that is where we run into a problem because Speaker’s ruling 76/3 is actually very clear that a farmer member does not have a financial interest in my submission to you. If members declare that they do have a financial interest when the Standing Orders and Speakers’ rulings say that they do not then that is where we run into problems and we run into inconsistencies.
Roy Eric: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
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Roy Eric: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
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Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: I thank the member for raising the point of order. The member has obviously done some homework. We will find those rulings on pages 75 and 76 of  
Speakers’ Rulings 
. There is actually quite a suite of them. In the case of members getting up I think there is no specific and direct interest as far as I am can see but if a member wishes to declare that they have one then I think that is up to them on this occasion. I do not see that any of these points of order direct either one way or another. In the case of Mr Shane Ardern he also made it very clear when he chaired the select committee. If in fact this was legislation to demutualise then that would have a more specific application. So I am quite happy to let members make that declaration as they desire.
Mallard Trevor: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
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Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I am taking this point of order before the member speaks because I know he is a rural member although I am not sure of his particular circumstances. Last time this bill the Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill was up something occurred that caused me some concern and that was that the honourable member Shane Ahern— 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Ardern. 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: Ardern sorry. He made a declaration at the beginning of his speech around his financial interests in farming matters and I think to do with dairy farms. That caused me to do a little bit of research and to look in particular—and I think what is quite important in the House is that we have consistency as to declarations so that we do not have some members declaring and others not making declarations to the House when they are in the same circumstance on the legislation. 
It caused me to look at Speaker’s ruling 76/6 which is one from Mr Speaker Kidd. It says: “The fact that an amendment might open up a business opportunity for a number of companies in which members have an interest is not a direct financial benefit. Such a business opportunity might or might not eventuate from a particular clause of bill becoming law. The matter is entirely speculative.” The view that I would like to put to you is that dairy farmers with regard to this change in Fonterra are in that situation. Whether there is a financial advantage to them or not is a matter of speculation. 
The other more longstanding Speaker’s ruling that almost certainly applies is 76/3 a 1956 ruling from Volume 310 by Mr Speaker Oram. I think most members—well no not most members of the House; that would be wrong. Many members of the House who have looked at the Standing Orders and some of the old Speakers’ rulings know that he was a wise old owl and there are quite a few of his rulings here. What he indicates is that “A farmer member does not have a financial interest in a bill that provides for the payment for and marketing of dairy produce.” The point that I would like or the submission— 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Could the member— 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: Well I am nearly there. 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Please continue. 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: Well the point I would like to make is that it is my view that that applies and therefore members who are farmers should not be declaring an interest as they enter into a speech in the House in the interests of consistency in the Parliament.
King Colin: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
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COLIN KING (National—Kaikoura) 
: 
 It gives me great pleasure to rise and speak in support of the Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill. I think to begin with it would be very important to get some facts on the table during the second reading. In 2010 farmers voted in support of Trading Among Farmers. Fonterra in 2012 by 25 June has allowed farmers to have another vote as to whether they want to support Trading Among Farmers. This bill provides the appropriate platform by setting out that structure as to what that would look like. It does help Fonterra to manage the redemption risk and when we look at it if farmers vote for or against—and we on this side of the House have confidence in farmers’ choice—there is a default situation and that sits around the fair value share. So this bill does provide the mechanisms necessary to allow our most successful cooperative to go forward. It guarantees 100 percent farmer ownership and it gives me great pleasure to commend this bill to the House.
Vote: Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims (2012 Expiry and Application Dates) Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims (2012 Expiry and Application Dates) Amendment Bill be now read a second time. 
Ayes 103 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 34; New Zealand First 8; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 16 
Green Party 13; Maori Party 2; Mana 1. 
Bill read a second time.
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ALFRED NGARO (National) 
: 
 I am proud to take the final call on this Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims (2012 Expiry and Application Dates) Amendment Bill in its second reading. It is a transitional bill. I too want to echo and support the sentiments expressed by the Hon Phil Goff that despite the I suppose sense of delay and the disappointment about its process what is absolutely important is that the focus of this bill is around the awarding of compensation and the victims’ claims process. I sense too that the comments around the lack of consultation and on the regulatory impact statement make it quite clear that the public is likely to have an opportunity to comment when a new bill is referred to the select committee after its introduction. 
This bill is in line with the Government’s focus on the justice system and the rights of victims. It is disappointing if not unsurprising that the Greens are not supporting this. All we have ever heard from them is about the rights of the prisoners not the rights of the victims and that is very clear. We are directing the prisoner compensation to victims at the heart of our justice system. Extending the sunset clauses in the Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims Act means that the Government’s objective of maintaining the redirection policy is progressed. It is therefore the preferred option. Thank you.
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KATRINA SHANKS (National) 
: 
 It is my pleasure to take a brief call on this bill the Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims (2012 Expiry and Application Dates) Amendment Bill tonight. This bill has already been well debated in the Chamber. The Minister of Justice Judith Collins and Charles Chauvel debated the points very well I thought and raised issues that were considered in the Justice and Electoral Committee and through that stage. 
Obviously it is a very simple bill. The Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims Act 2005 has got two sunset clauses which come up on 1 July so this is a transitional bill until the Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims (Redirecting Prisoner Compensation) Amendment Bill is passed in Parliament later on in the year. 
So it is my pleasure to take a brief call on this bill and I look forward to talking about it in the next readings.
Blue Jackie: Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims (2012 Expiry and Application Dates) Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
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Dr JACKIE BLUE (National) 
: 
 I am pleased to take a very short call on the second reading of the Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims (2012 Expiry and Application Dates) Amendment Bill. It is a very straightforward bill. It bridges the gap between the current regime that expires at the end of this month while waiting for the passage of the 2011 bill. This Government is serious about putting victims at the heart of the justice system and focusing on the rights of victims. I support this bill and commend it to the House.
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Dr CAM CALDER (National) 
: 
 On this on side of the House we make no apologies for focusing the justice system on the rights of victims. The Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims (2012 Expiration and Application Dates) Amendment Bill has a simple purpose. It bridges the gap between the expiry of the current regime as we have heard on 30 June 2012 and the progressing of the Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims (Redirecting Prisoner Compensation) Amendment Bill. There are two major effects on the awarding of compensation. The bill defers the expiry of the provisions relating to restrictions on the awarding of compensation until 1 July 2013 and it also affects the victims’ claims process. The bill extends the application of the provisions of the 2005 Act to 1 July 2013. The Government intends to progress the aforementioned Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims (Redirecting Prisoner Compensation) Amendment Bill so that it is enacted before 30 June 2013. I commend this bill to the House.
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TIM MACINDOE (National—Hamilton West) 
: 
 The Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims (2012 Expiry and Application Dates) Amendment Bill is a bill of very limited application but it is also an important one. The Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims Act 2005 is due to expire in 9 days’ time which is just 3 sitting days from this afternoon. As the Minister of Justice and now Mr Chauvel have noted two sunset clauses in that Act are due to take effect on 1 July. I urge all members to support this bill to extend them by a further 12 months—and that is all we are talking about—to ensure that there is no gap between the expiry of the current regime and the implementation of new provisions that will come into effect when and if the Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims (Redirecting Prisoner Compensation) Amendment Bill is passed by this House. I submit that this interim measure is necessary and in the public interest.
Vote: Mixed Ownership Model Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the report be adopted. 
Ayes 63 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Mana 1. 
Report adopted.
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GARETH HUGHES (Green) 
: 
 My question is to the Minister for Climate Change Issues and asks: does he agree with the statement made by the Minister—[ 
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Mr SPEAKER 
: Order! I apologise to the member. I want some respect shown to a member at the back of the House please.
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The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I move  
That the report be adopted.
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Committee divide the bill into the State-Owned Enterprises Amendment Bill and the Public Finance (Mixed Ownership Model) Amendment Bill pursuant to Supplementary Order Paper 41. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 59 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 2; Mana 1. 
Motion agreed to. 
House resumed. 
Bill reported with amendment.
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The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Order! Members know there are to be no comments at all during the taking of a vote. It can be seen as intimidatory and could lead to a breach of privilege.
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MAGGIE BARRY (National—North Shore) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
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LOUISE UPSTON (Junior Whip—National) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
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Hon MAURICE WILLIAMSON (Minister for Building and Construction) 
on behalf of the Minister for State Owned Enterprises: I move  
That the Committee divide the bill into the State-Owned Enterprises Amendment Bill and the Public Finance (Mixed Ownership Model) Amendment Bill pursuant to Supplementary Order Paper 41.
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11. 
NICKY WAGNER (National—Christchurch Central) 
 to the  
Minister for Courts 
: What recent announcements has he made regarding court services for Christchurch? 
Hon CHESTER BORROWS (Minister for Courts) 
: 
 On Tuesday I announced the plans to build the new Youth Court on the marae at Nga Hau e Wha. This is the location where we have been running the criminal list court and it has proved to be an excellent venue. 
Rt Hon Winston Peters 
: Nga Hau e where? 
Hon CHESTER BORROWS 
: Wanganui dialect. The construction of a Youth Court on this marae will be very conducive to dealing with youth appearing before the Youth Court and will have facilities for other agencies to be housed within the same building. 
Nicky Wagner 
: What benefit will the new courtroom offer to the wider court system in Christchurch? 
Hon CHESTER BORROWS 
: When not in use by the Youth Court the facility will be able to be used by other jurisdictions increasing the capacity for the courts in Christchurch. 
Charles Chauvel 
: Supplementary question— 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Charles Chauvel. I will allow this supplementary question. 
Charles Chauvel 
: Thank you Mr Speaker. Does the Minister think it is acceptable that nearly half—27—of New Zealand’s 60 courthouse facilities are used for less than half of the time; if not what plans does he have for improving the utilisation of court services in New Zealand generally? 
Hon CHESTER BORROWS 
: There is currently a review of court utilisation and how court services will be provided in the future. There are a number of considerations to be made as to court placement and their utilisation in terms of court hours is one of those important considerations.
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NICKY WAGNER (National—Christchurch Central) 
: 
 To the Minister for Courts what recent announcements has he made—[ 
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Mr SPEAKER 
: Order! I want to hear Nicky Wagner’s question. I invite the member to start again. I could not hear the question because of interjections across the front of the House.