Bennett David; Dean JacquiHon DAVID BENNETT (National): Thank you Madam Speaker. The National Party will support this bill but I have some concerns about the nature of the legislation. I think the first one is what the ACT Party just raised rightly around the 50 fish and the size of those fish depending on you know the type of fishery and what the fishing process involved is. It just doesn't make a lot of sense on a practical level and so certainly that's an issue that needs to be addressed because it just doesn't make any sense on a practical level.The other side of it is I want to just draw a parallel to the dairy industry for example around the discarding of dead animals. Basically in this process here you're going to have to bring back everything on the boat. That's essentially what they're saying and that's what the Minister wants to see. So it's a sledgehammer approach; it's not taking into account any practical nature of it. The Labour members shake their heads but that's what the bill says. You bring it back and there are very small exemptions but effectively you have to bring it back. And then what's going to happen to it? It's like a dead cow; you have to pay to get rid of that don't you? You have to pay 80 bucks to JD Wallace to get rid of that and that's going up every day. So what's going to happen here is that basically that dead fish that you're bringing back it's not going to be a marketable product to that extent. It's going to be expensive for small fishing companies. It's going to be a real impost on them. The big guys will work out a way of doing it and they'll have connections and they'll make approaches with the companies that will use that product but the really small fishers are going to find it hard and they're going to be stuck with all this dead fish that has to go into landfill which is exactly what the Green Party doesn't want to see happen. I don't think anybody potentially sees that that is a better result than that fish being at sea so I'm not sure if the practicalities of this bill will actually work. First of all you've got an issue around that size of fish and taking into account the comparable species but also the practical reality of what actually do you do with the dead fish that comes back. There's not going to be a market for it. The Green Party said there could be other uses for it. People aren't going to be buying dried fish that come off a boat like that are they? It's not what you're going to be buying at the supermarket. So its potential problem is that it goes into landfill. That's the reality.Ian McKelvie: It's better for your dead cow Bennett.Hon DAVID BENNETT: Mr McKelvie would like to sell a dead cow but I don't think you can get away with it.So it's one of those things that is a very delicate area. Everybody wants to protect the fisheries. Everybody wants to see New Zealand fisheries thrive and be a valuable resource for commercial and non-commercial use; there's no doubt about that. That's a given and that's why we have a quota system and all those things. But we also need to realise that this is not a simple industry where a Wellington politician can say Anything that's caught can come back." like David Parker does and think that's the practical reality of how you do business. The reality is that there will be bycatch and 50 is not much and the exceptions are very difficult to make a reality. So it's going to be a situation where I think you'll have the fishing industry come back and knock on Parliament's door within a year or two and say that this is a bill that has demonstrably caused a lot of grief especially to smaller fishers. You might want to have an industry dominated by a couple of big fishing companies but I think that most industries in New Zealand are better when there's some small business in there as well. If we don't have that variation we don't have the next generation of fishers coming through that are actually more proactive in wanting to look after the fishery and that. So I think that there's some work that still needs to be done on this and the Minister should take that on board and relook at some of those issues.ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Jacqui Dean): I call Angie Warren-Clark—five minutes."