Second Readings 
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Second Readings 
[Sitting date: 16 February 2012. Volume:677;Page:556. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Second Readings 
Hon Dr PITA SHARPLES (Minister of Maori Affairs) 
: 
 As the lead speaker on these cognate bills covering five iwi I seek leave for an extension of 2 minutes on my time. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Leave is sought for that purpose. Is there any objection? There is no objection. I shall ring the bell at 10 minutes with 2 minutes to go. 
Hon Dr PITA SHARPLES 
: Tena koe. I move  
That the Ngati Manawa and Ngati Whare Claims Settlement Bill Nga Wai o Maniapoto (Waipa River) Bill Ngati Pahauwera Treaty Claims Settlement Bill and Ngati Porou Claims Settlement Bill be now read a second time. 
Na reira tuatahi kei te mihi atu ki a koutou kua hara mai nei i tenei po me nga mea kare ano kia tae mai. E tika ana kia mihi atu ki enei iwi a kua hikoi i te hikoi te roroanga mai i te timatanga tae noa ki tenei rangi na reira tena koutou e kaha akina. Tena koutou i o koutou tini aitua. Ka hoki aku mahara ki a tatou e tu kaha ana ki te tautoko i enei ahuatanga kai roto i o koutou iwi. Ko Bill Bird tetahi ko te papa Whatumoana ko Ta Henare Ngata ko Meagan Joe ko ratau me nga mate o te wa nei. Haere koutou okioki mai.  
Na reira ka hoki au ki tenei korero ka mihi atu ki a koutou kua rauika i te po nei. Kare e roa aku korero mo enei pire na te mea he panuitanga tuarua tenei a waiho mo te panui whakamutunga te panui tuatoru kia tu motuhake enei pire a e ata korero ai tatau i konei i roto i te Whare Paremata. Heoi ano tena koutou tena koutou tena koutou.  
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Firstly I wish to acknowledge those of you who came this evening and also those who have not yet arrived. It is appropriate that I pay tribute to these tribes who have been on this long journey since the beginning to this day. Congratulations on your resilience. I acknowledge you and your many dead. My thoughts go back to when we stood staunch in support of these circumstances within your tribes. Bill Bird was one our father-figure Whatumoana Sir Henare Ngata and Meagan Joe were others and the deaths of the day. Depart rest there.  
So I go back to this comment: welcome to you collectively who have assembled here tonight. I will not spend too long on these bills because it is the second reading. Wait for the final and third reading when these bills stand independently and when we can address them here at length in the Chamber. So greetings to you greetings to you and greetings to you 
.] 
Ngati Manawa: the area of interest for Ngati Manawa is based around Murupara and the Kaingaroa Plains in the inland Bay of Plenty. The claims of Ngati Manawa relate primarily to the consequences of its loyalty to the Crown during the New Zealand Wars Crown actions and omissions in respect of the operation and impact of the native land laws and the Crown’s land purchasing techniques particularly in respect of land Ngati Manawa. This settlement is intended to recognise the traditional historical cultural and spiritual interests of Ngati Manawa. The key aspects of Ngati Manawa’s cultural redress package aim to reinvigorate the relationship between Ngati Manawa and sites of significance. It is the intention of this settlement that this will be done through the vesting of sites of particular significance to Ngati Manawa the erection of pou rahui to mark traditional iwi boundaries the creation of a body to restore Ngati Manawa’s and Ngati Whare’s mana over their ancestral river and their relationship with tuna and the transfer and gift back of the ancestral maunga Tawhiuau to Ngati Manawa.  
Mo Ngati Whare: the claims of Ngati Whare primarily relate to the Crown’s actions during the New Zealand Wars specifically the impact of the Native Land Court and subsequent land alienation the enactment of the Urewera District Native Reserve Act 1896 which disenfranchised Ngati Whare from its land and the return of Minginui Village by the Crown without providing Ngati Whare with sufficient resources to bring the village infrastructure up to the standards of the Government. Ngati Whare’s settlement acknowledges the Whirinaki Te Pua-a-Tane Conservation Park as a special place to both Ngati Whare as kaitiaki and the people of New Zealand. It also establishes a renewed and enduring partnership between Ngati Whare and the Crown. In particular the settlement provides for a joint governance of the Whirinaki Te Pua-a-Tane Conservation Park by Ngati Whare and the Crown. The settlement also provides Ngati Whare with assistance to regenerate indigenous matai rimu and kahikatea in areas of pine forest within the Whirinaki Crown forest licensed land.  
The Nga Wai o Maniapoto (Waipa River) Bill: ano ka mihi au ki a koutou o Maniapoto. I acknowledge the work carried out by the Maori Affairs Committee and thank committee members for their support and guidance on the Nga Wai o Maniapoto (Waipa River) Bill. The relationship between Ngati Maniapoto and the Waipa River is significant and enduring based on a deep-felt respect that the people of Ngati Maniapoto have for the river Waipa. This gives rise to their responsibility to protect te mana o te wai and to exercise kaitiakitanga in accordance with their tikanga. Ngati Maniapoto and Waikato-Tainui share a strong relationship through the Tainui waka which is manifested in the support they each give to the Kingitanga. In a similar way their sacred awa Waikato and Waipa are inextricably linked. From Ngaruawahia the pathways of these rivers join and their waters flow together as one. The overarching purpose of the co-governance and co-management arrangements is to restore and maintain the quality and integrity of the waters that flow into and from and form part of the Waipa River for present and future generations. The co-governance arrangements within the bill extend towards the headwaters of the Waipa River at Pekepeke Springs in the Rangitoto ranges supporting the ongoing aspirations and responsibilities shared by Ngati Maniapoto and the Crown to protect and nurture the Waipa River. Extending the co-governance framework to include the whole of the Waipa River will contribute significantly to achieving an integrated holistic and coordinated approach to the management of both the Waipa River and the Waikato River to the implementation of the vision and strategy and to river rehabilitation and clean-up initiatives. The Nga Wai o Maniapoto (Waipa River) Bill complements the Waikato River settlement and the Waikato River co-management deeds with Ngati Tuwharetoa Raukawa and Te Arawa River Iwi. These arrangements are similar and contribute to establishing a single unified co-governance framework for both the Waipa River and the Waikato River.  
The Ngati Porou Claims Settlement Bill: the grievances of Ngati Porou are longstanding. This bill recognises and addresses those grievances and settles the historical Treaty of Waitangi claims of Ngati Porou. The area of interest for Ngati Porou is on the East Coast of the North Island. The historical grievances of Ngati Porou relate primarily to the Crown’s failure to honour its Treaty promise to respect Ngati Porou rangatiratanga over its own affairs. The Crown imposed land tenure reform on Ngati Porou which deprived iwi members of collective control over their land and made it difficult to utilise their land for economic development. Although it is not possible to fully compensate Ngati Porou or any claimant group for the loss that people have suffered the redress in this bill seeks to recognise the longstanding cultural and spiritual association that Ngati Porou has within the region. It gives effect to the undertakings by the Crown in the deed of settlement by offering reconciliation redress including an agreed historical account Crown acknowledgments and an apology; cultural redress that vests sites of cultural and historic significance; and a number of arrangements designed to facilitate good working relationships between Ngati Porou and the Crown. The financial and commercial redress of the settlement comprises $90 million in financial and commercial redress $20 million in cultural and historical redress and redress over Crown properties including licensed forest land. I am confident that the Ngati Porou Claims Settlement Bill will settle the claims of Ngati Porou in a full and final manner and set the foundation for a productive future relationship with the Crown.  
Finally I will speak on the Ngati Pahauwera Treaty Claims Settlement Bill. Although I was unable to participate in the policy decisions about the Ngati Pahauwera settlement due to a declared conflict of interest—yeah—it is with great interest that I stand to speak today in the second reading of the bill. Ngati Pahauwera is a confederation of hapu with historical interests in northern Hawke’s Bay. The core area of interest extends from south of Wairoa along the coastline to the Waikari River inland from these areas towards the Maungaharuru Range and north towards the Waiau River. The claims of Ngati Pahauwera include the failure of the Crown to make sure that Ngati Pahauwera had sufficient lands for its future needs during the process of the land alienation that began in the 1850s. By the mid - 20th century Ngati Pahauwera was virtually landless and ever since has suffered economic social and cultural impoverishment. During the New Zealand Wars the Crown ignored warnings of a possible attack on Ngati Pahauwera communities at Mohaka. When the attack occurred the Crown provided minimum assistance to help Ngati Pahauwera recover from the attack on the pa and kainga even though the area had been left virtually defenceless because the warriors from Ngati Pahauwera were away with the Crown’s forces.  
This bill seeks to right the wrongs of the past by recognising what has happened through an agreed historical account Crown acknowledgments and an apology by the Crown to Ngati Pahauwera and an acceptance by Ngati Pahauwera of that apology. This bill seeks to recognise the longstanding cultural and spiritual association that Ngati Pahauwera has in the region through vesting Te Heru o Tureia in Ngati Pahauwera and the subsequent gift of a major portion of that area to the people of New Zealand as a historic reserve. Ngati Pahauwera will also retain Nakunaku as a historic reserve and 14 other cultural redress properties will be invested in the iwi.  
The bill also provides for some aspects of commercial redress to compensate Ngati Pahauwera for what has been lost including authorising the transfer of five former Wairoa District Council properties to Ngati Pahauwera and licensed land within Mohaka Forest as well as a right of first refusal over Crown properties in the core area. I am confident that the Ngati Pahauwera Treaty Claims Settlement Bill will settle the iwi’s Treaty claims in a full and final manner. The redress provided to Ngati Pahauwera can never compensate it for what has been lost. I trust that the agreement reached with Ngati Pahauwera that is embodied in this bill will enhance the relationship between the Crown and Ngati Pahauwera in the future.  
I look forward to all these bills proceeding to the Committee stage without delay. Nga mihi ki a koutou kua hara mai nei i te po nei a tena koutou tena koutou kei raro. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Before I call the next speaker I wish to advise the House that it is a split call between the Hon Shane Jones and the Hon Parekura Horomia. 
Hon SHANE JONES (Labour) 
: 
 I te tuatahi me mihi whanui atu ki o tatou huanga o tatou matua whakarauika mai ki Te Upoko o te Ika ki roto i “te ana o te raiona”. E kara ma koutou no Te Tai Rawhiti ahakoa kowhiti noa atu nga marama noho tonu mai ana koutou i waenga noki i a matou na reira e kara e koa ana te ngakau. Tena koutou nga kanohi pakeke huri noa ki nga iwi e whai panga ana ki enei kereme meinga nei ko Ngati Whare Ngati Manawa o tatou huanga i te taihauauru i roto i te whare tatai o Maniapoto huri atu ki te whitinga o te ra Ngati Pahauwera Ngati Porou tena koutou. Ehara koutou i te iwi tauhou ki tenei Whare. Otira ko taku he mihi atu ki a koutou. Tautoko hoki i te reo atu i to tatou Minita ki a koutou ki a tatou na te menemene mai ai koutou ki nga Maori katoa i roto i tenei Whare kaua ki ta koutou kotiro a Hekia anakenake. Na reira tena tatou katoa. 
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An extensive welcome in the first instance to our relations and parents gathered here in Wellington in “the den of the lions”. Those friends from the East Coast you have remained there amongst us for many months we are really pleased about that. Acknowledgments to you the adult faces and those tribes with interests in these claims Ngati Whare Ngati Manawa our relatives to the west in the ancestral house of Maniapoto turning to the place where the sun rises Ngati Pahauwera and Ngati Porou greetings to you collectively. You are no strangers to this House and I welcome you sincerely. I also endorse the sentiments expressed by our Minister to you and us collectively. So cast a smile upon all the Maori members in this House and not just upon your girl Hekia alone. Greetings to us all 
.] 
I rise to make a short contribution. What we have ended up doing here is an unusual innovation in terms of the rules of Parliament. We have been able to conflate several bills into one session. I am told that it is an initiative known as a cognate. A cognate as you know is something very familiar to the Maori people because it means your blood your whakapapa.  
It is good to see that after a long period of time we are finally seeing the end of the Treaty settlement process for these particular tribes. Sir Doug Graham made his contribution. We made our contribution and I will be the first to admit that it could have been improved upon. Dr Cullen—that peerless parliamentarian—towards the end of our time certainly sped things up so we have got no hesitation whatsoever in supporting the current Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations to expedite the claims.  
I think it is important that we remind those of our matua and supporters from the various iwi who are here this evening that there are other issues confronting you not the least of which those who have vested interests in the ongoing administration and utilisation of rivers and waters associated. That is a big issue that stands in front of us. But please do not make an unsubstantiated bare political plea that Maoris own the water. Please be sophisticated enough to bring back evidence and bring back claims that bear strength that we have vested interests in the future in the rivers of Pahauwera and the rivers of Ngati Porou and the rivers of Maniapoto that cannot be misconstrued or abused as we suffered the last time when David Garrett was here and sought to make fun of the Waiwaia Accord when this legislation went through its first reading. I took a little pleasure in reminding him after he made those foul remarks—completely gratuitous—about the Maniapoto and Tainui people that it was not long after that that a kehua leapt out of the depths of that water and swept him from this House. So bear that in mind; these matters of Treaty and Maori spirituality are not to be trifled with. I must myself remember to do as I say and not just talk about it.  
On the elements to do with Ngati Porou we have two senior members of the Ngati Porou tribe—at least two—and a young man over there with his whakapapa from Ngati Porou. I think those of us from the north often thought that the tribe that learnt best how to deal with successive Governments was Ngati Porou but when I look at the handsome settlement the Arawas have walked away with they have not done too bad themselves. Unfortunately the truculent spirit that pervades the Ngapuhi tends to keep them at the margin but time will tell whether or not the missionary spirit of goodwill and peace will ever rise to the top of the Ngapuhi political psyche. But that is for another night.  
This is an evening when small tribes such as Ngati Whare Ngati Manawa in obscure parts of Aotearoa Ngati Pahauwera with their long-vested interests in their river and Maniapoto one of our largest iwi with that heroic and very rich heritage of resistance and providing indeed security for Te Kooti in his time and Tawhiao are making progress on this particular part of their claim the Waipa River. So I join with my colleagues in not only wishing the supporters well but reminding them when we take it to the next stage please do not look for us your Maori MPs to uncritically support calls that we own the water without a substantial and robust basis for us not only to prosecute that claim but to secure the endorsement of our Pakeha fellow citizens. Tena tatou katoa.  
Hon PAREKURA HOROMIA (Labour—Ikaroa-Rawhiti) 
:  
Tautokotia atu nga mihimihi ki a koe tena koe. Ki te Minita mo te Matauranga te whanaunga e Hekia e mihi kau ana tena koe. 
[ 
I endorse the acknowledgments to you greetings. To the Minister of Education the relative Hekia I really acknowledge you greetings 
.]  
I was glad that my learned colleague from the nota did not say that Ngati Porou was obscure because it is paradise and I certainly do not bow from my vested interest. But in recognising that the role that we play I certainly want to mihi to the hard work of our pakeke and leaders of Ngati Porou Apirana Mahuika and Co. for that hard period going through. And there have been tensions; there is no doubt about it. I know most other iwi do not have tensions and ructions but we are honest people we have tensions but we get through them and for that I certainly want to commend our matua Api.  
E mihi kau ana i a koutou o Maniapoto. E roaroa atu te korero mo te wai mai i te timata o nga kereme mo te wai. E rongo atu ki te korero o te Shane nei mo te ahua o te wai. E mihi kau ana i a koutou. Kei a Nanaia te korero mo Maniapoto. I a koutou o Ngati Whare e mihi kau ana tena koutou. E pai atu ki te kite atu i a koutou. E mokemoke noa iho e kore e konei a Bill tera tangata e whai kaha ia tau ia marama mo te take nei. No reira tena koutou. 
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I welcome you of Maniapoto. The conversation about water since the claims for water began has been a lengthy one. I note the comments by Shane here in respect of the water. But I really acknowledge you collectively. Nanaia has the talk in regard to Maniapoto. So to you of Ngati Whare I acknowledge you as well greetings. It is wonderful to see you but I am bereft at the same time that Bill that man who worked hard each year and month for this matter is no longer here. So greetings to you collectively. 
] 
It is good to see that Ngati Whare have the co-management of Whirinaki State Forest with the East Coast Bay of Plenty Conservation Board and that they get 640 hectares at the 10 percent forestry allocation is certainly great. But I do want to mention Bill Bird as one of the present leaders even though he has passed on because he was tenacious he was courageous and he stood against all sorts of things but sadly cancer took him away and he never saw it. At times we mention people who are not here but Bill was a real warrior and I want to recognise that.  
Ngati Manawa tena koutou. E mihi atu i a koutou e tu atu mo te take nei. 
[ 
Greetings Ngati Manawa. I commend your stance on this matter 
.]  
This deed was signed in December 2009 and the iwi were part of the central North Island forestry settlement negotiated by us a long period of time ago. I do want to recognise Ngati Manawa’s efforts the place that they have taken in these claims and how they have come forward on it.  
For Ngati Pahauwera Tom Gemmell was like Bill Bird a real warrior. And Toro Waaka Raymond Joe Megan as the Minister of Maori Affairs mentioned Charlie Hirini and all those ones who are not here including Auntie Sophie Keefe—all of those great people took this down the roadway. It is a great day and Ngati Pahauwera are certainly working hard. They live on the banks of that great awa Mohaka. And then we talk about water; it continually flows there and they have a high opinion on who owns it what it is and where it should be going. So I wish them all the best. In the sense of the redress it is important and significant to them. 
In relation to the Ngati Porou Claims Settlement Bill one thing you learn is being a Hauiti person you are Ngati Porou and being Ngati Porou you are generally Hauiti. Those things that create tensions are there but certainly we look forward to supporting the Minister to ensure that this has a speedy passageway to finality and that we can all celebrate with these iwi that have turned up here tonight. Tena koe.  
Hon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON (Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations) 
: 
 These are four very important bills. Dr Sharples has outlined the essence of the bills but because of what I thought was an excellent contribution by Mr Jones and again by Mr Horomia I just want to say that each of the settlements we are talking about tonight raises an important issue concerning water. There are four rivers that are very much part and parcel of the settlements the Mohaka the Rangitaiki the Waiapu and the Waipa and they are all slightly different versions of a genuine and sincere effort by the Crown to involve iwi in the co-governance of those particular resources. They are different models but I believe they are going to be successful and that they are adapted to the particular needs of the iwi and the particular needs of the rivers concerned—more about that in the course of the Committee stage.  
The Maori Affairs Committee has considered these bills it has submitted its commentary on them to the House and I want to thank Mr Henare and his team for the very thorough examination of the bills. I want to thank other Ministers and departments involved in the process. A wide variety of people from across the political spectrum have made some very very important contributions to these settlements over the years. I particularly want to acknowledge Mr Horomia and Mr Jones who always put partisanship to one side and work with this Government on these issues which is the way it should be.  
I also briefly just to show how bipartisan I am want to refer to the negotiators I have been working with: Paul Swain for the Crown with Ngati Porou and Fran Wilde for the Crown with Ngati Pahauwera. What is it about former Labour MPs that they make such very good Treaty negotiators? They are so pleasant to deal with when they have left this place. Some of course I do not think could ever change their spots but others are such very nice people. In fact it is an indication of how nice they are that—again to show how bipartisan I am; too bipartisan for my own good—I have asked Mr Rick Barker an excellent fellow to work for me with Mr Swain in Taranaki.  
Hon Shane Jones 
: Just a small matter of income. 
Hon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON 
: Oh no. It is the quality of the contribution they make. So there we have it. A lot of good work has been done on these bills. Let us get down to the detail in the Committee stage. 
Hon NANAIA MAHUTA (Labour—Hauraki-Waikato) 
: 
 Tena koe. Tenei e tautoko ana nga mihi ki nga iwi i tae mai nei ki te whakarongo ki a matau nei korero. No reira ki a koutou katoa tena koutou tena koutou. 
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Thank you. I endorse the acknowledgments to the tribes who have arrived here to listen to our speeches. Hence greetings to you all greetings greetings 
.] 
This second reading opportunity is just a brief chance for members of the Maori Affairs Committee to report back on some key aspects of what they heard during the select committee. Can I say first of all on my part that although I am not a current member of the Maori Affairs Committee we were hosted with absolute hospitality and respect. The role of the select committee I think is a difficult one because there are great expectations placed on what the select committee should be doing at the point of hearings when we go out into your community. So can I say to Ngati Manawa Ngati Whare Ngati 
Pahauwera Ngati Porou and Nga Wai o Maniapoto koutou katoa for your kind hospitality in hosting us the gratitude is ours.  
Can I just point to some comments for each of the settlements—firstly Ngati Manawa and Ngati Whare. Really I think the things that stood out for me were issues around representation on the Rangitaiki River Forum. When we heard evidence from Ngati Haku Patuheuheu and about their claims to the Rangitaiki and considered issues around the Rangitaiki River Forum we were confident that there were enabling provisions so that at such a time when Ngati Haku Patuheuheu wanted to be a part of the forum the model was there to enable that to happen.  
Secondly on the fisheries protocol as stated in the settlement we were confident that this was an opportunity for both Ngati Manawa and Ngati Whare to have a proactive and ongoing role in the fisheries of their river and we recommended no change. And thirdly on the substantive issue of their maunga Tawhiuau—and this is probably something to highlight to the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations—the select committee members were quite mindful that if another Treaty settlement impinged on Ngati Manawa’s interest in Tawhiuau then this was a significant matter that the Minister would have to pay attention to so that those rights were not infringed upon. I wanted to highlight those issues in the second reading because they will be matters that may need to be considered if the Crown thinks it is going to have other settlements impinging upon its interest.  
I want to go to Ngati Pahauwera briefly. Probably two issues stood out there. Firstly we did have representations to the select committee that contested the mandate of Pahauwera. Having considered at length the aspects around the Pahauwera mandate the select committee was confident—absolutely confident—in the mandate that was expressed by Pahauwera and their ability to get to the point of settlement and we did not consider any substantive change to the legislation on this front.  
This is an important question I should mention for all Treaty settlements because often claimants and cross-claimants come to the select committee table thinking that we can change issues around this substantially. It is very difficult to do so. I want to commend Te Ururoa Flavell who chaired the committee for the hearing of this bill and I think he managed the process quite well and to a positive outcome.  
The definition of “Ngati 
Pahauwera” and the interests of the Ngai Tahu hapu was one of those issues where we really found ourselves conflicted and the same thing arose in the Ngati Porou settlement. Members of the select committee did not think it was beholden upon us to adjudicate over whakapapa within iwi. So on that basis although we understand and heard the full representations of Ngai Tahu hapu we accept that for the purposes of this settlement the definition of “Ngati 
Pahauwera” in the bill stands.  
I want to move to a substantive lot of hearings that we had on the Ngati Porou Claims Settlement Bill. I want to pay tribute to those who got this far having heard the number of cross-claimants who came to the hearings. You think you have got problems; come to my place. We have got all sorts of things happening back home.  
But can I say that one of the things that stood out in the Ngati Porou claim settlement hearings at the select committee level was that there was this high sense of urgency from many claimants that they did not have the ability to have their historical grievances aired. There is an innovation in this particular settlement around an airing-of-grievances process that I understand is being proposed.  
Again one of the issues that really stood out substantially in this particular settlement is that people need the opportunity to have their histories told and captured in some shape and form so that they are on the historical record. Again we were not in a position—and we do not feel as select committee members that we should have been in the position—to adjudicate over whakapapa. That is solely for Ngati Porou to determine. But the process in itself if there is the opportunity through the airing-of-grievances part of this particular settlement that histories can be heard told and captured should be considered as a positive part of giving a complete picture.  
I certainly want to pay tribute to Api Mahuika who actually personally bore the brunt of a lot of criticisms at the select committee table. I can say from some personal reflection that the position he holds is not an easy one. It is thankless and you bear a lot of responsibility with little gratitude afterwards. But can I say that the dignity with which the claim was put to the select committee had a strong bearing on my view that this is the best opportunity for Ngati Porou going forward and for the generations to come. What stood out even more was that there was a firm focus on this being an opportunity for the next generation to move forward.  
Finally I come back to my home town in a sense and that is Nga Wai o Maniapoto. I want to in this second reading highlight two particular aspects—maybe three. First is the interests of Raukawa in Wharepuhunga. They came to the select committee with a representation that the select committee should change or broaden the reach of Raukawa in terms of the Wharepuhunga. The select committee took that on board but did not think that any change to the legislation was necessary. However I would urge the Minister to seek some confirmation from the Office of Treaty Settlements that the memorandum of understanding that has been reached between Raukawa and Maniapoto will be confirmed before the third reading because this will be a positive part of ensuring that both Raukawa and Maniapoto interests in the Waipa will be clearly stated.  
Second is the issue of the clean-up fund being added to the Waikato River Authority. It is not the outcome that Maniapoto was seeking but is an opportunity to have issues of clean-up addressed. But the real issue there will be Waikato and Maniapoto assuring themselves that the ongoing aspects of clean-up of the upper river catchment are a matter yet to be negotiated with the Crown and should be a matter supported by Waikato in the overall interests of having a clean Waipa so that we get a clean Waikato River. In terms of the Lower Waipa catchment I am confident that with a bit of common sense and a bit of time both Waikato and Maniapoto will sort out its interests and how to manage aspects in the Lower Waipa catchment.  
Overall this feels like a rushed process but it is only the second readings. I am confident that in the third reading of the legislation members will be able to focus on those settlements that they want to highlight in terms of the opportunities they provide for the people going forward. No reira ki a koutou katoa tena tatou. 
TE URUROA FLAVELL (Maori Party—Waiariki) 
: 
 Tena koe Mr Assistant Speaker Robertson. Kia ora ano tatou katoa. Me whakarapopoto i taku korero i te mea kua oti ke i a au te korero mo tetahi wahanga. Engari kua oti ke te wahi ki te Minita. Ko te wahi ki a au ko te Pati Maori me te ki atu ka tautoko ake i tenei o nga pire kei pohehe koutou kare te Pati Maori i te tautoko i te karanga. A engari paku korero. Tuatahi hai whaiwhai haere i te ahuatanga o te korero a te Honore Parekura Horomia e tangi ana te ngakau mo te Bill Bird ra tera o nga tangata i kaha ki te kawe i tenei o nga take ki mua i te aroaro o nga momo Minita. Kao. Ki mua i te aroaro o nga Minita i nga tau kua hipa ake. E tangi ana te ngakau ki a ia otira ki a ratau. Tera Maori katahi te tangata maia ko tera.  
Me wero tonu i te Honore Shane Jones. E ki e ki? He wahi obscure a Minginui he wahi obscure a Murupara. Come on. Ngati Manawa Ngati Whare maku tena korero i whakatika.  
E tika ana te korero a wetahi atu pera i a Nanaia Mahuta e ko etahi o nga iwi ka titiro mai ki te Kawanatanga ki te komiti whaiti te select committee ki te ki mai ma koutou ma te Kawanatanga ma te Karauna ranei e whakatikatika nga korero a-whakapapa. Ko taku ko te ki atu e kao ma nga iwi tera e whakatika kaua ma te Whare Paremata. Ko etahi ka ki ka noho me ki tata nei whanaunga nei engari kei te ki atu ki te Kawanatanga no matau tenei whenua me korero ki a matau mo te whakahoki mai i wa matau whenua. E kao ma nga iwi ano ra tera take e korero. No reira he nui nga korero i puta hei whaiwhai haere i tana korero.  
No matau te waimarie kia tae atu ki a koutou Ngati Pahauwera ki ta koutou marae ka mutu ki Tikitiki. Ahakoa i wepua au e wetahi engari he pai tonu te noho ki waenganui i era momo take he akoranga nui ki a au a-tiamana nei. Engari noku te waimarie kia tae atu ki reira ki waenganui i a koutou. I te pera ano ki a koutou o Ngati Maniapoto i ta matau taenga atu ki tera o nga whare te Tokanganui-a-Noho. Ka mutu i roto i te rohe o Te Waiariki ko Ngati Whare me Ngati Manawa e noho tata nei na runga i te ahuatanga o te ara whanaunga ara ko Te Wharepakau raua Tangiharuru. Ko koutou ano koutou. No reira ko taku noa ake he ki atu ka pai ka pai. Akiakina akiakina nga pire nei kia eke ki te taumata e tika ana.  
No reira kati koinei te korero a te Pati Maori tena koutou tena koutou. Kua tata eke kua tata eke. Kia hoki mai ki te wahanga whakamutunga ka ahua whakatoroangia pea nga korero ma te rua tekau meneti. Hoi ano tera korero tera. Kia ora tatau. 
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Thank you Mr Assistant Speaker Robertson and greetings once again to us all. I will shorten my address as I have already spoken at length about a part of the legislation. The part relating to the Minister has been covered already so my part is to talk about the Maori Party and say that we endorse this legislation in case you wonder whether the Maori Party supports it although the call is a short one. In the first instance and to follow up the tenor of the sentiments expressed by the Hon Parekura Horomia the heart mourns the passing of Bill Bird a man who worked hard to bring this legislation before the various kinds of Ministers; not true—Ministers in past years. The heart weeps for him and indeed for them. That Maori what a courageous one he was.  
I continue to challenge the Hon Shane Jones when he asserts that Minginui and Murupara are obscure places. Come on! How true is that? Get it right. Ngati Manawa and Ngati Whare I will correct that assertion.  
Some of the statements by other speakers are absolutely correct such as those of the Hon Nanaia Mahuta. Some tribes are looking at the Government at the select committee process and saying: leave it up to the Government or the Crown to rectify any issues about genealogy. I say no—tribes are responsible for that and not the House of Parliament. Some very close relatives are saying to the Government: this land is ours talk to us about giving it back. Not so that sort of issue is for the tribes to deal to. So a lot of talk has emerged to follow up her assertion.  
It was our good fortune getting to you Ngati Pahauwera to your marae and then moving on to Tikitiki. Even though I might have taken a bit of a whipping from some there it was still good to be amongst you in those kinds of issues and a huge learning curve for me as chairman. But I still considered myself lucky to be there amongst you. It was like that with you Ngati Maniapoto when we arrived at Tokanganui-a-Noho that ancestral house of all ancestral houses. So to the region of Te Waiariki to Ngati Whare and Ngati Manawa who are closely related through Te Wharepakau and Tangiharuru. You are really one and the same. So I simply want to say: well done great. Move and urge these bills along to a level most fitting for them.  
Enough for now. Congratulations and well done from the Maori Party. It is almost there nearly. When we come back for the final part we may extend our address by 20 minutes. Who knows what will happen. Congratulations to us all 
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BRENDAN HORAN (NZ First) 
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 I would like to acknowledge Ngati Porou in the House. After all Sir Apirana Ngata would I imagine be very very proud. With each settlement we come together and we cast away that which has divided us and in settlement we embrace that which unites us—our land our water our people our wairua. With each settlement we grow together as a country as a nation and as New Zealanders we all have a vested interest in the success of these bills.  
Now as Ngati Maniapoto I must also declare an interest. I am one of that sprawling brood of Ormsbys and I am bursting with joy that the sacred water of my iwi is to be protected and nurtured to be cleaned to honour the wairua. Recognising and addressing the grievances of all before us tonight is paramount. It has taken New Zealand many years to reach this point. Again I acknowledge all of you—all of us—who are here today because we represent so much more. Together we represent the many who have gone before us the many who cannot be here today. I look forward to working at the Committee stage to ensure that the full intent of these settlements is achieved. As it has taken so long to get to this point and as there is yet a small way to go I do not wish to take more of this time but I endorse on behalf of New Zealand First the progress of these bills in this Whare. Thank you. 
Bills read a second time.