Mooney Joseph; Henare PeeniJOSEPH MOONEY (National—Southland): Thank you Madam Chair. Minister thank you for engaging in these questions that have been raised. There's one point that I'm not still not entirely clear on—the Supplementary Order Paper around the definition of persons not freedom camping". As it's framed—I'll just read it out it says "is a person other than a person who is in New Zealand on the basis of a visitor visa". Does that mean a person who is on a visitor visa in New Zealand and freedom camps but can't find appropriate residential accommodation will be subject to the restrictions in this bill and a person who is on a visa that's not a visitor visa won't be if they are unable to find appropriate residential accommodation? So that's a point that as I read it it seems to me to say that a person will be subject to the restrictions in this bill if they are on a visitor visa in New Zealand but if they are on say a work visa for example they won't be if they are a person who falls in this exception that they are unable to live in appropriate residential accommodation. I'd appreciate it if you could just make that clear Minister. I can continue while the Minister's looking at that. I would ask if the Minister would take on board Supplementary Order Paper 356 in my name which does change the definition from a vehicle that's equipped with a toilet that is permanently fixed to the vehicle and usable within the vehicle or is portable and otherwise meets the requirements set out in regulations. So I would ask if the Minister would make it clear if that is being rejected by the Minister or whether the Minister is minded to accept that and take that on board. I would suggest that would be a sensible amendment to make to take into account the fact that there are people who are quite responsible and do use vehicles that have portable toilets in them. So I can take a seat now if the Minister is in a position to answer that question or I can continue. Continue? Thank you.Tim van de Molen: Tell us a joke.JOSEPH MOONEY: Mr van de Molen says I should say a joke. The only ones I can think of that spring to mind are probably not appropriate right now. But look the other point I would ask some questions around is just around this change the definition of "freedom camping" being amended to provide that a person who's living in a tent or a motor vehicle because they aren't able to live in appropriate residential accommodations are not freedom camping. I note that there is a new clause 38A which requires the Minister no later than two years after the commencement date to review and report to the House of Representatives on the effect of the bill on homelessness. And I would ask why the Government or why the Minister has settled on a date no later than two years rather than making that say a little bit shorter—for example one year—to give some relatively rapid feedback to the House but taking into account some time to elapse for the effect of this bill to become clear. Why is it two years as opposed to one year?Hon PEENI HENARE (Minister of Tourism): In answer to one of the member's questions the homelessness exemption is based on the Stats New Zealand definition of homelessness. And to be clear to the member and others who have asked this question travellers are usually excluded from the Stats New Zealand definition of homelessness hence why it won't apply to those on a visitor visa. I hope that clears the matter up for the member. With respect to the member's Supplementary Order Paper (SOP) that he mentioned and whether or not I'd be supporting that much to my dismay I won't be supporting the member's SOP but I thank the member for his engagement with this particular bill from its genesis to now. He's been an active member in continuing to promote his view which is why I want to thank that member.With respect to the time frame around reporting back to this House in particular to Cabinet around matters with respect to homelessness it is because it is our expectation—that's why we set the two-year parameters for the regulatory framework to be set up to give operators time to be able to make sure that they can certify their vehicles and make sure that they can if needed put work into their vehicles to fix the toilet in their vehicles. And I think it's only fair that it's that time we also take to make sure that we monitor the matter with respect to homelessness. I think it was a good point—and it was raised by the Green Party—about making sure that those who do find themselves homeless aren't negatively impacted by this bill. And we can come back after a good length of time to see the way that this particular regulatory framework will look towards administering the bill to make sure we're clear on matters of homelessness. But I want to be clear to the committee that you know homelessness matters don't just reside under this portfolio; we take a view across our entire work portfolio to make sure that we can continue to monitor homelessness but more importantly look towards solving it for the many people who find themselves there."