Delahunty Catherine: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume 
Delahunty Catherine: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Sitting date: 29 November 2012. Volume:686;Page:6948. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
10. 
CATHERINE DELAHUNTY (Green) 
 to the  
Minister of Foreign Affairs 
: Does he consider that New Zealand’s community policing projects in West Papua have improved adherence to human rights and access to justice in West Papua; if so why? 
Hon JUDITH COLLINS (Minister of Justice)  
on behalf of the Minister of Foreign Affairs: A small-scale pilot community policing project was conducted in Papua between 2009 and 2010. It involved four New Zealand police officers. The objective of the project was to improve the professionalisation of the Indonesian National Police in a place that has had significant challenges. Overall the assessment is that the project has had a positive influence in a very difficult environment. 
Catherine Delahunty 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I appreciate the Minister’s answer but I did specifically ask whether the programme had improved adherence to human rights and access to justice. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The Minister implied in her answer I believe that it had. She said the evaluation had indicated positive outcomes. The member has got further supplementary questions. I think that we cannot be that pedantic. 
Catherine Delahunty 
: I seek leave to table the country summary of Human Rights Watch 2012 which documents the State violence against citizens of West Papua. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The source of this document? 
Catherine Delahunty 
: The Human Rights Watch library 2012. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to table that document. Is there any objection? There is objection. 
Catherine Delahunty 
: Will New Zealand continue to train Indonesian police in West Papua in light of their recent and well-documented human rights abuses; if so will he ensure the training includes education on torture as is required under international law? 
Hon JUDITH COLLINS 
: My understanding is that the New Zealand Police has undertaken a scoping design in terms of whether or not it could provide more community policing assistance. But in terms of torture and training in it I think the member may have meant training in not using torture. 
Catherine Delahunty 
: Thank you for that. Has the New Zealand Government raised any concerns with Indonesia regarding the recent killing of civilians by police in West Papua or does he agree with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade that the issue of West Papua is not one that causes any friction between Indonesia and New Zealand? 
Hon JUDITH COLLINS 
: I am not aware of the answer to that question. 
Catherine Delahunty 
: I seek leave to table the Official Information Act response from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade its advice to the Prime Minister this year showing that the ministry has no real concerns about Indonesian human rights. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to table that document. Is there any objection? There is objection. 
Catherine Delahunty 
: Will he seek out the input of West Papuan leaders regarding any future deployment of our police in West Papua prior to any deployment; if not why not? 
Hon JUDITH COLLINS 
: Since the matter is actually subject to a scoping design by the New Zealand Police and the New Zealand Police is operationally independent I would have thought that the answer would be no. 
Catherine Delahunty 
: Why is the New Zealand Government considering sending our police to work with a police force and judiciary that arrest and jail West Papuans for up to 15 years for raising the Morning Star flag? 
Hon JUDITH COLLINS 
: I thought I had made it plain that the scoping design is currently being undertaken or is about to be completed. On that basis I would have thought that any interaction of the New Zealand Police which I believe is the finest police anywhere in the world would be of advantage and I would have thought that member would support it frankly. 
Catherine Delahunty 
: I seek leave to table the Morning Star flag of West Papua. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to table that flag. Is there any objection? There is objection.