King MattMATT KING (National—Northland): Madam Chair thank you. I've worked so hard to get this call. Now I've been listening to the contributions from across the Chamber and I've been listening to the interjections. With some of the things that they've been saying to me I've been wondering how many of those good people from across the Chamber have actually been in business? Then I realised yes they've been in business. They've been in the fertiliser business because they are producing it on an industrial scale.You know the old saying: if it ain't broke don't touch it OK? They're seeking to fix a problem that isn't there. In the last two years: 245000 jobs created third-highest employment rate in the developed world 80 percent of workers are in full-time work and wages are rising at twice the rate of inflation. That sounds like a problem that doesn't need fixing. This bill illustrates to me that this Government is being run by the unions.So we're experiencing unprecedented numbers of strikes and I want to talk about in Part 2—this bill will significantly increase the cost to business owners remove flexibility and it will definitely put jobs in danger. It will give unions rights they've never had before. What it does is it pits employers against employees. It's going to create a little bit of trench warfare. People are going to dig in. Now I'm a guy that's been an employer and an employee and for 20 of years of my life I was both. So I'm speaking from personal experience. I've run a number of businesses.I know that the Hon Iain Lees-Galloway hasn't run his own business. It's patently obvious. He's made a few statements in the media about businesses and people that are struggling and I think they're arrogant statements—when you're talking about people running businesses and trying to get by and he just says Well they should close down."Jan Tinetti: I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I was just wondering Mr Chair. This is Part 2 that we're talking about.MATT KING: I'm talking about businesses. Now—CHAIRPERSON (Adrian Rurawhe): Order! The role of the Chair is to chair and to decide on points of relevance. I've just come to the Chair in the last 30 seconds. It is inappropriate to interrupt another member while they are speaking on this bill. Let's leave me to do that job—OK?MATT KING: Thank you Chair. Now I've run several businesses in my time and I have actually lain awake at night wondering how I'm going to pay the bills the rent the wages and I can tell you this. When you've got an employee if you get a good employee you hang on to them. Having good staff is everything—having good staff is everything. I've frequently gone home with less money in my pocket and my bank account than my lowest paid employee. That is absolutely a fact.Now if you want to get a sort of study on the 90-day trial just pick up the phone and call the average business owner and ask about the 90-day trial. I can speak from my own experience. I ran a business and I had six staff and everything was ticking along nicely and this young guy walked into my business—I'll call him Jason because that's what his name is—and he said he was 17 years old no skills nothing really to offer and he wanted a job as an apprentice mechanic. I thought to myself I don't need another mechanic I don't have the work for him he has no experience he has no skills—I won't risk it. But I had the 90-day trial period so I took him on. Well actually what happened was I said I didn't have any work and he said to me "I'll work for free just to get experience." So for that week he came in and he worked all week for free and all I did was take him and shout him lunch—quite a decent lunch. And I thought "Well we'll just give him some experience."At the end of that work I realised he was a pearler and I was going to keep him on. I created a job for him and I knew that if it didn't work out at the end of 90 days or even less than that I could let him go. I knew that I could do that. I took him on on that basis. And you know what? That guy is now a qualified certified bike mechanic. I put him through all his training paid for it all and took him on. He can now get a job anywhere in the world because bike mechanics are in short supply. He can get a job anywhere in the world that guy. The only reason he's in that situation is because I knew I had a 90-day trial period to fall back on and that's why. I'm speaking from experience here but I say pick up the phone and call the average business owner in Northland and ask them about the 90-day trial period and you'll get your answer. Thank you."