9. Question No. 9—Minister for Māori Crown Relations: Te ArawhitiHon WILLIE JACKSON (Labour) to the Minister for Māori Crown Relations: Te ArawhitiQuestion No. 9—Minister for Māori Crown Relations: Te ArawhitiSPEAKER: [Interruption] And the same rules apply. When the question is being asked be quiet.9. Hon WILLIE JACKSON (Labour) to the Minister for Māori Crown Relations: Te Arawhiti: Is he planning on attending Waitangi 2024; if so what preparations if any has started on behalf of the Government?Hon TAMA POTAKA (Minister for Māori Crown Relations: Te Arawhiti): E te Māngai o te Whare. In response to the first pātai and in my Wanganui dialect ana. In response to the second pātai planning is well under way across Government and the calendar will be finalised shortly.Hon Willie Jackson: Does the Minister think that repealing section 7AA of the Oranga Tamariki Act disestablishing the Māori Health Authority repealing smoke-free legislation removing Māori names of Government departments repealing fair pay agreements and introducing a Treaty principles bill will enhance the Māori-Crown relationship and if so will he and the Prime Minister be prepared to front up and discuss this at Waitangi 2024?SPEAKER: I know the point of order that's about to be made but I have to say right at the cusp—the Hon Willie Jackson brought it just inside the borders. It's not unreasonable that he lists some of the Government's policies and asks about their context in Crown-Māori relations particularly given the venue that is a subject in the question.Hon TAMA POTAKA: We look forward to a warm and cordial welcome by our Tai Tokerau whanaunga where we will discuss many important—of national significance.Rt Hon Winston Peters: Could I ask the Minister will he set time aside in the discussion or kōrero at Waitangi for Willie Jackson to explain why he lost all those Māori seats?SPEAKER: No response required.Hon Simeon Brown: Are you going to answer it?SPEAKER: The member can ask a question; he can't answer one.Hon Willie Jackson: Will the Minister ensure that the Prime Minister will be there?Hon TAMA POTAKA: E mārama ana au e whaiwhai haere ana te tari o te Pirīmia me ōna āpiha kia whakarite mai te haere ki Waitangi heoi anō kei te Pirīmia me tōna tari te mana whiriwhiri.[I understand that the Prime Minister and his officials are working towards going to the Waitangi; however the decision lies with the Prime Minister and his office.]Hon Willie Jackson: Point of order Mr Speaker. You'll have to get your translations on but I don't believe he's addressed the question. What do you think?SPEAKER: What do I think?Hon Willie Jackson: What do you think?SPEAKER: I think that was an excellent answer.Hon Willie Jackson: Does the Minister agree with the statement of a young Tama Potaka when he said central government and local government need to consider sharing power with Māori instead of hoping that Māori entitlements and demands will be satisfied with policies that effectively mainstream Māori into Pākehā society; if so will he commit to discussing this at Waitangi 2024?Hon TAMA POTAKA: National-led Governments have linked in and engaged with many Māori over time including in Waikato with the Waikato River settlement. That is a great reflection of working together.Hon Willie Jackson: Mr Speaker point of order—point of order. Mr Speaker point of order.SPEAKER: Hold on—no.Hon Willie Jackson: Mr Speaker he didn't even go near the question—didn't go near it.SPEAKER: Yeah—Willie please. I'll come back to you in a minute right? So we'll just do things bit by bit. Sit right down. Good. Now I'm not sure who was on their feet first here. Supplementary the Hon Chris Bishop.Hon Members: It was a point of order Mr Speaker.SPEAKER: He didn't call—Hon Dr Megan Woods: He did.Hon Grant Robertson: Very loudly.SPEAKER: No—excuse me. Sorry you can say what you like but it's all on film.Hon Kieran McAnulty: Oh that's good—that's good. Great. We'll sort it out later!SPEAKER: Yeah you sort it out later if you like but the way I took it he started to tell me the point of order before he was called. Point of order then—Willie Jackson.Hon Willie Jackson: Point of order. Thank you. Thank you Mr Speaker. You're doing a good job.SPEAKER: Well I'm not feeling very good about it at the moment and that could blow back on the member.Hon Willie Jackson: The Minister did not address whether he agreed with the young Tama Potaka.SPEAKER: And if the member looks at his own primary question even though he's expanded it—and I've been very generous to him—it is so wide of the mark it's not a reasonable question to ask him. So we'll let it go.Rt Hon Winston Peters: Could I ask the Minister whether or not eight New Zealanders with Māori in their background in Cabinet is not evidence enough of equality and democratic representation in this country?Hon TAMA POTAKA: I'm absolutely proud of there being the highest number of Māori members in the Cabinet that there ever has been.Hon Willie Jackson: Congratulations about that Tama. Can I seek leave to table a document? It's called A Treaty Agendum for Local Government" by Tama Potaka where he is very clear—SPEAKER: Where does it come from? Is it published and is it available?Hon Willie Jackson: It's been but not widely. Many people in this—in fact probably no one in this House has read this and it's really good reading. It's really good reading so seeking leave.SPEAKER: Now that the member's done the advertorial a lot of people might seek it out to read it. But it's very available.Hon Chris Bishop: Will there be discussions at Waitangi 2024 about the failed TVNZ-RNZ merger—SPEAKER: No—that's out of order too.Hon Chris Bishop: Point of order.SPEAKER: Yes?Hon Chris Bishop: You ruled in relation to the primary question's original question that a long list—I think it was 10 items—and whether or not those would be discussed at Waitangi 2024—you said that that was within the scope. I frankly find that remarkable but I'm using the same formula.SPEAKER: You might find it remarkable but I also said that the member could answer that because they were Government policies that were being asked about. Now you can add to every Government policy if you like. At some point I get to make a discretionary decision about whether it's a longer or shorter list—it's been exhausted."