Brown SimeonSIMEON BROWN (National—Pakuranga): Oh thank you Madam Chair. There's a number of other questions that I'd like to ask in relation to—one of the changes that was proposed at the committee stage was in relation to a new body being set up to review decisions made by the Civil Aviation Authority and my understanding is that this Supplementary Order Paper puts in place a fees and charges regime for people who apply to the reviewer. It amends clause 416 to allow fees and charges to be prescribed to reimburse the Secretary and the reviewer for costs directly and indirectly associated with the reviewer's functions under subpart 4 of Part 10". I'd like to understand I guess the bounds of what those fees and charges may be because the ability to have decisions reviewed was something which was raised by a large number of submitters through the process because there was a feeling from many submitters that the Civil Aviation Authority was a very challenging organisation to work with from time to time that the only way to review decisions was to go to judicial review which of course as we know is time-consuming and expensive for those who feel that the decision that was made by the Civil Aviation Authority was not the one that was right. So the right to be able to have a reviewer was hard fought for by the submitters would be the way I would put it and it was agreed that that should be put in place to give them the ability to have those decisions reviewed.So to now have a Supplementary Order Paper which I guess in some ways gives a power to the Civil Aviation Authority to set fees and charges on people who may make an application to have a decision reviewed—well the Civil Aviation Authority could put those fees and charges at quite a substantial rate to effectively make it very difficult for people to be able to have their decisions reviewed and I think that would go against the principle of why the review body was agreed to at the select committee stage.It must be noted that this review body has very little teeth and I think that's a fair criticism that many submitters would say that this review body doesn't have many teeth and are concerned about it. So the question needs to be asked: what parameters are there to ensure that those fees and charges are not going to be used to make it prohibitive for people to be able to have their decisions reviewed and to ensure that the review body is an accountability mechanism to give those people that ability to have their decisions reviewed? I'd appreciate the Minister's response to those questions.Hon KIRITAPU ALLAN (Associate Minister of Transport): The member's absolutely right: it was a very well-advocated position by submitters to the Transport and Infrastructure Committee about being able to test and challenge the decisions outside of a court and I want to acknowledge again just the committee for working together to agree that that policy should indeed be included. My predecessor the Minister of Transport the Hon Michael Wood in particular was supportive of that policy and the scope of the decisions that could be considered were to be relatively broad. So I just want to make it clear tonight to this committee and particularly everybody who's up watching this with some indeed fervour like we all are this evening in participating in this discussion that this Supplementary Order Paper (SOP) doesn't undermine that collective decision made by the committee and indeed advocated by those that submitted to that committee.What the SOP does do is it allows for fees and charges to apply—so essentially introducing a user-pays scheme as opposed to anything like a levy. I note that the member was concerned that it would be the Civil Aviation Authority that might you know use this as a mechanism to conflate or acquire fees from users. We can assure this committee that it is not going to be the Civil Aviation Authority that sets that fee that it will be the Minister. So this enables the Minister to be able to set fees and charges in accordance with Treasury and Audit Office guidelines. So I can firmly assure the House that these are not powers that will be exploited."