8. Anti - money-laundering Measures—Legislative ReformGRANT ROBERTSON (Labour—Wellington Central) to the Minister of JusticeAnti - money-laundering Measures—Legislative Reform8. GRANT ROBERTSON (Labour—Wellington Central) to the Minister of Justice: Does she stand by the Prime Minister's statement to this House in September on phase two of the anti - money-laundering measures that there will be a bill in the House by the end of the year"; if not why not?Hon AMY ADAMS (Minister of Justice): That was certainly the Government's intention at that time. However as the Prime Minister also said there are far-reaching implications for a large number of New Zealanders from these reforms. The time frame that we have been consistently working towards is to have the bill passed by mid-2017 and this has not changed. However the introduction of the bill may now occur early next year to ensure that we do what we can to minimise the cost of the reforms to New Zealanders.Grant Robertson: In what way has the process of implementing phase two of the anti - money-laundering changes which would include real estate agents lawyers and accountants in the regime been accelerated as she and the Prime Minister promised in May of this year?Hon AMY ADAMS: It had not originally been our intention to have the reforms passed by July the middle of next year. Now we want to make sure that the legislation is passed by that time. Previously it would have been into 2018 before the legislation was intended to be in place.Grant Robertson: Has she taken papers to Cabinet committees this year that would have seen the legislation introduced this year?Hon AMY ADAMS: I have certainly taken Cabinet papers addressing the reforms and that made it very clear that we are working to the time frame of the legislation being passed by the middle of next year.Grant Robertson: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. My question asked whether the Minister had taken papers to the Cabinet committee about introducing the legislation this year. It was a specific question.Mr SPEAKER: I think that on this occasion to the dissatisfaction of Grant Robertson obviously the question has been addressed. The Minister then said she had taken papers to the Cabinet committee. I think it has been addressed.Grant Robertson: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker.Mr SPEAKER: I have ruled on that matter Mr Robertson.Grant Robertson: It was a very specific question about the introduction of legislation which was not addressed by the Minister.Mr SPEAKER: The member may not have heard me. I listened carefully to the answer and I think on this occasion the question was addressed.Grant Robertson: Has she taken a paper to a Cabinet committee this year that would have proposed the introduction of legislation on phase two of the anti - money-laundering measures? [Interruption] You could have answered the question but you transferred it.Mr SPEAKER: Order! I am very likely to rule a question out of order if the member continues like that.Hon AMY ADAMS: The Cabinet committee that determines the introduction of legislation is the Cabinet legislation committee. I have not taken a paper to the Cabinet legislation committee. I have taken policy papers on the proposal and that has us on track to continue with having legislation in place by the middle of next year. [Interruption]Mr SPEAKER: Order! My patience will run out very quickly with the interjections coming from both sides of the front bench.Grant Robertson: Is it her intention that the details of property buyers and sellers will be captured under part 2 of the regime?Hon AMY ADAMS: We have made it clear that part 2 of the reforms will extend to lawyers accountants real estate agents and high-value goods dealers. Further detail of that will be made apparent when the legislation is made available.Grant Robertson: How can she possibly argue that she is accelerating the work when she is actually still finalising policy work which is the same position she has been in since 2014 and is the only reason that acceleration was even mentioned was to take the heat off John Key during the Panama Papers?Hon AMY ADAMS: The member is simply wrong. The process has been accelerated so that the legislation will be in force sooner than otherwise would have happened. I point out to this House that this is a regime that will have considerable compliance costs on ordinary New Zealanders and on this side of the House we want to ensure that those costs are no more burdensome on average mums and dads than they need to be. [Interruption] Mr SPEAKER: Order! [Interruption] Order! I gave a fairly severe warning and it applies to the Minister who is at the moment answering questions.Grant Robertson: In light of her own statement that she has had no push-back from lawyers on phase two of the reforms are the further delays and calls for more discussion documents the result of lobbying by the real estate industry or just that Steven Joyce does not want to upset his mates in the Koru lounge?Hon AMY ADAMS: First of all I suggest to that member that he should not take his information from the media. What we are doing is making sure the proposals do not impose any more costs on New Zealanders than are necessary. We are still working towards—and are on course—to having the legislation in place by the middle of next year. That has not changed Mr Robertson."