Smith StuartSTUART SMITH (National—Kaikōura): Oh thank you Madam Chair. That was very interesting what my colleague Chris Bishop was about to embark on. Hopefully we'll hear the end of that story in another call but I want to talk particularly about clause 7 in the bill. I want to point out to the Minister in the chair Chris Hipkins that on the weekend I met Rob Peach. Rob Peach is an immunologist based in San Diego. He has a lot of drugs to his name that he's developed particularly around multiple sclerosis and those sorts of autoimmune diseases. He and his wife came out to New Zealand. His issue with managed isolation and quarantine (MIQ) was that he's triple vaccinated—fully vaccinated and had a booster; and by the way in San Diego COVID is now the disease of the unvaccinated. He couldn't understand why they needed to go into MIQ but further to that he said the most unsafe he was—the most unsafe—was on a bus from Auckland to Rotorua to go into MIQ. He said that the ventilation was totally inadequate on that bus totally. I mean this guy knows what he's doing. He understands this. He said it was appalling so that if he was ever going to catch COVID it would be on that bus going to MIQ penned up in a bus with inadequate ventilation shoulder to shoulder with other passengers.So my question around the MIQ facilities is: does clause 7 extend to the safety and adequacy of the transportation of people to and from MIQ facilities? I think that seems to be a gap. If you would—not you Madam Chair of course but if we were to think about this—and certainly in business you'd go do a gap analysis around the whole facility—that would be the first thing you'd identify. Where's the weak point? Oh it's the bus. Well what are we going to do about the bus? Well you'd figure that out wouldn't you? Then then you'd start to think well hang on a minute. Someone who's triple vaccinated and they're a New Zealand citizen—actually a philanthropist as well—comes to New Zealand gave some money on the weekend to an aquatic centre that's just opened in Kaikōura where he grew up went to school. Why is a person like that in an MIQ facility when there are gang members isolating at home that have COVID?I'm not sure if the Minister is aware—this is another question for the Minister. Is the Minister aware that gang members tend not to follow rules? Is the Minister aware that gang members have been riding past the so-called roadblocks in Auckland and not being asked for their papers whereas law-abiding citizens who are double vaccinated wait patiently in a line and then they have to get to the front and show their papers show they're checked—Simeon Brown: Yes. Some of them get turned back.STUART SMITH: Some of them do get turned back while the gang members ride past oblivious and I understand the police have been told not to chase them just let them go. So that's another gap in the system Minister. Is there anything in these COVID orders that will say You must stop the gang members—nobody gets through. Nobody gets through without having their papers checked." Actually I don't think we should have that but that's my personal view and I'm hoping in time that this Government comes to its senses and puts some decent rules in.So Minister you've got a couple of questions there. I can see you're furiously writing away there and thumbing through the book looking up—"gang" starts with "g". Just go through that and see: are we stopping them Minister? Are we? Because we know that they're not—they're not being stopped. If they want to go past they just sail on by. Isn't that a gap in the system? That also starts with "g"—have a look at that. But why are we having fully vaccinated triple vaccinated New Zealand citizens locked up in MIQ and putting them at risk in a bus full of people an inadequately ventilated bus taking them from the airport to MIQ facilities? It's crazy. It doesn't make sense to anyone and I just wonder who is making these decisions because quite frankly in the private sector they would've lost their job long ago."