McAnulty Kieran; Kuriger BarbaraHon KIERAN McANULTY (Labour): Thank you very much Mr Speaker. Right throughout every single debate every announcement and every policy debate this Government has not been upfront with New Zealand when it comes to housing. They have been disingenuous and this bill is yet another example—the second in the last two days. There are aspects of this bill that makes sense. Their provisions to encourage landlords to take on tenants with pets we support. The provisions to allow tenants to withdraw from a tenancy in the case of family violence we support. But the core of this bill is that it is easier for landlords to dismiss tenants and make them homeless than it would be otherwise and that is simply why we cannot support this bill.But in order to fully understand this bill it's important to understand the broader context of housing debate and housing policy from this Government and that is why I say they are being disingenuous. For the Minister to stand up in the House when introducing this bill and say that there is a consensus on increasing the supply yet in seven months they have not made a single announcement that will lead to the increase in supply or—i.e. in simple terms—the building of new houses. In fact what is clear is that the policy changes that this Government has made will decrease and disincentivise and lead to fewer houses being built. It is that simple and that is exactly what this bill will do. When you consider this bill in the context of things like reintroducing interest deductibility like what we've seen throughout—Carl Bates: How will it make the building of houses less? Can you just walk us through that logic?Hon KIERAN McANULTY: I've been asked for logic. How about you listen up. Here it is: taking away interest deductibility made an incentive to invest in new builds and it was working. If you don't want to listen to this listen to the evidence. As a result of moving that we saw an increase in new builds and an increase in new-home buyers in the market. Carl Bates: What—KiwiBuild?Hon KIERAN McANULTY: And then—oh he's changing the subject now. Typical—typical National MP. He's asked a question gets presented with evidence doesn't like the answer and so changes the subject. But I'll tell you what for the sake of everybody else I'll continue.We saw investment in new builds rather than contesting between speculators and investors on existing stock. That was driving up house prices and this bill does nothing to help with that. By changing that what they've done is they're going to move investment away from new builds and increase speculation on existing stock. That means new-home buyers who were entering the market will not—exactly what happened the last time National were in Government.So why is that important in the context of this bill? Because when people are able to be kicked out of their home easier what's going to happen to them? They are going to look for more rentals or they're going be homeless. Now homelessness is an interesting part of this debate because this Government has made it harder to access emergency housing and easier to be kicked out of Kāinga Ora properties. What is going to happen to them if there's no houses going to be built? They are going to be homeless.Every way you look at this this leads to more homeless people. The easier it is to kick people out of tenancies the higher the likelihood that the homeless rate will increase and it's very simple. They can holler they can bicker they can shout and they can heckle but they actually have nothing to refute the fact that their policies last time increased homelessness and increased house prices and we saw a drop in the build of new builds of affordable builds and of social housing. They follow exactly the same policies and now they argue that it's going to be a different outcome. It's rubbish it is disingenuous and that is the core point of my speech. It is that they are telling the New Zealand public that something is going to happen that actually isn't because all evidence and all experience shows that what they're saying is simply not true. What they have done is they have packaged this up with the nice and fluffy bits like the pet bonds—and did you notice how the Minister focused on that for much of his speech? Because he knows the guts of this bill is actually going to be unpopular and that Kiwis can see through it and they know that this bill—DEPUTY SPEAKER: The member's time has expired.