Jackson Willie; Goldsmith PaulHon WILLIE JACKSON (Labour): Thank you Madam Chair—thank you Madam Chair. It's off the back of what the Minister just said because as we all know the Minister's been very committed to partnership for some time—he actually said that to me on a TV interview and he a person who is fixed in terms of partnership going forward.So the consultation—I come back to this consultation question because I want to ask this Minister: apart from Winston Peters good man that he is which iwi has this Minister consulted with? Because it's really important—we always thought he was from Ngati Porou and I think the National Party thought he was from Ngati Porou too also for a while. It's really important that we bring first of all iwi into this because at ground level they are working with rangatahi working with our young people. And this is incredibly important and we've seen the relationships they had with Oranga Tamariki—they were exhibited in the last couple of years. We've seen major partnerships with Tainui that've happened and our urban organisations. And I respect what the Minister's saying about Winston Peters I absolutely do but I really would like to know given the Treaty of Waitangi obligations in this that when the Minister spoke with our agency—and I do say our agency" even though we're not in Government any more. Te Puni Kōkiri (TPK) is a Government agency for all of us for all Māori across the spectrum. National happen to be leading that at the moment and that's fine but it's an agency that I trust—it's an agency that I trust—having overseen the agency for the previous three years and the officials in there. Now they gave clear advice that they did not support this type of rushed legislation.So given the fact that we're here that TPK did not support the policy due to the constraints within the 100-day plan I ask the Minister sincerely: which iwi did you consult which organisations in the pan-tribal area did you consult? Given that I still chair our marae at Nga Whare Waatea in Māngere and I've been the chairman there for a number of years—I never ever stopped being the chair because it's not anything I get paid for; it's just something that I oversee because it's been a lifelong job for me working at ground level with our people and with our communities. So was there any consultation with our marae Nga Whare Waatea Marae? Which incidentally bars gang patches—I just thought I'd add that in just so everyone knows that we know how to manage those types of problems. So was there consultation with Nga Whare Waatea Marae? Has there been consultation with the Waipareira Trust which is the biggest as the Minister will know Māori provider in the country?James Meager: Who runs that trust?Hon WILLIE JACKSON: Well we all know who runs that trust. I can't—you know we know on this side I wouldn't imagine anyone on that side knows because they don't know many Māoris and they don't consult Māoris but they do consult Winston Peters. So I'm bringing up the Waipareira Trust a huge provider for us that oversees Whānau Ora contracts our Manukau Urban Māori Authority—we've had major restorative justice panels that are in place—Manurewa Marae that is there Papakura Marae. Any marae Minister—any marae. Please put on the table tonight—just name one marae or one iwi grouping who you've consulted with because that would then fulfil some of the Treaty of Waitangi obligations that surely any Government has to go through. What was the Treaty critique here? Surely it wasn't just talking with David Seymour and Winston Peters? Surely there must have been some grouping some people with people—and I'm serious here. So I would like the Minister to stand and tell us rather than this sort of casual response: "Oh we spoke with Winston." Please Minister you're better than that. I'm sure you'll be able to tell us so that we can feel comfortable because we know all the Māoris out there—the groupings—on this side. So if you could give us an example we would be comfortable. Thank you Madam Chair.Hon PAUL GOLDSMITH (Minister of Justice): I'd like to thank the member the Hon Willie Jackson for his lifelong service that he's referred to. And I do note that that member of course is famous for his comment that "democracy has changed" in this country. Nobody was quite sure when they voted for the referendum where the democracy had changed but nevertheless he stated that it had. As far as I know the basic principle of a Government standing for an election and saying they're going to do something and then doing it still remains part of the democracy that I understand. Given the urgency with which we've moved on this there has not been formal consultation with different groups—with the legal community or with iwi—but it is something that we've flagged very carefully and clearly in our election campaign. We said we're going to do it and lo and behold we are going to do it."