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Chadwick Steve: Parental Leave and Employment Protection Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Chadwick Steve: Parental Leave and Employment Protection Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:617;Page:13364] 
STEVE CHADWICK (Labour—Rotorua) 
: 
 I am delighted that 2 years after the Government introduced the first paid parental leave scheme we are already back in the House extending it. I thank our colleagues in the Greens for their wholehearted support. 
I do not think that any one party could say it is the party for families. Every party cares about families. However the affirmation of this bill to extend the provisions of paid parental leave is a great thing. It will cost the Government $68 million more to extend the scheme. Ultimately we will get there for the self-employed but we cannot roll this out all at once.
Power Simon: Civil Union Bill — In Committee Procedure 
Power Simon: Civil Union Bill — In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:622;Page:17519] 
SIMON POWER (Senior Whip—National) 
: 
 That point raises an interesting question which may require a ruling from you Mr Chairman. Is it possible for a member to take offence at comments directed at a different member altogether? It may be worth your ruling on that point. In the absence of the member who is allegedly offended is it possible for another member to take offence on that member’s behalf?
Carter Chris: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Referral to Health Committee Procedure In Committee 
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Carter Chris: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Referral to Health Committee Procedure In Committee 
[Sitting date: 15 October 2003. Volume:612;Page:9239. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon CHRIS CARTER (Minister of Conservation) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Cosgrove Clayton: Care of Children Bill — Instruction to Committee Procedure In Committee 
Cosgrove Clayton: Care of Children Bill — Instruction to Committee Procedure In Committee 
[Volume:621;Page:16638] 
CLAYTON COSGROVE (Labour—Waimakariri) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
O'Connor Damien: Care of Children Bill — Instruction to Committee Procedure In Committee 
O'Connor Damien: Care of Children Bill — Instruction to Committee Procedure In Committee 
[Volume:621;Page:16640] 
Hon DAMIEN O'CONNOR (Minister for Racing) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Ward Mike: Building Bill — In Committee Procedure 
Ward Mike: Building Bill — In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:619;Page:14828] 
MIKE WARD (Green) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I should also withdraw the previous Maori Party vote. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: The member is seeking leave of the Committee to delete the first vote as well? 
MIKE WARD 
: Indeed.
Shirley Ken: New Organisms and Other Matters Bill — In Committee 
Shirley Ken: New Organisms and Other Matters Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:612;Page:9074] 
Hon KEN SHIRLEY (Deputy Leader—ACT NZ) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Chairperson. Perhaps you have got the parties out of order with regard to the call. As you know Madam Chair the ACT party has consistently received the call in advance of the Green Party. 
Sue Kedgley 
: I would be very happy to have the member of the party of eight take the call.
English Bill: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
English Bill: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
[Volume:611;Page:8250] 
11.  
Hon BILL ENGLISH (Leader of the Opposition) 
 to the  
Prime Minister 
: Does she have confidence in the Minister of Research Science and Technology and Convenor Ministerial Group on Climate Change; if so why? 
Rt Hon HELEN CLARK (Prime Minister) 
: 
 Yes because he is a hard-working and conscientious Minister. 
Hon Bill English 
: Does the Government intend to implement a compulsory agricultural greenhouse gas emissions research levy? 
Rt Hon HELEN CLARK 
: The Government remains optimistic about a voluntary level. It waits with eager anticipation to see whether the National Party has a policy on withdrawing from the protocol. 
Hon Ken Shirley 
: Is her Government considering a politically less-damaging way of collecting revenue to fund research into the gaseous by-products of the ruminant gut as an alternative to the “fart and burp tax” promoted by her Minister Hodgson; if so what are those alternative revenue-gathering proposals? 
Rt Hon HELEN CLARK 
: There is no such tax as the member knows. The Government will continue to talk to its friends and colleagues in the farming industry. 
Hon Bill English 
: Given the Prime Minister’s statements that she is a strong front-footing leadership Prime Minister does she plan to meet the farmers on the front steps of Parliament on Thursday to explain the Government’s position on the flatulence tax; if not why not? 
Rt Hon HELEN CLARK 
: I have engagements in Auckland on Thursday.
Dunne Peter: Christchurch City Council (Robert McDougall Gallery) Land Vesting Bill — Procedure Second Reading 
Dunne Peter: Christchurch City Council (Robert McDougall Gallery) Land Vesting Bill — Procedure Second Reading 
[Volume:611;Page:8798] 
Hon PETER DUNNE (Leader—United Future) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I understand that the Minister is now seeking leave to table a document described as the draft minutes but under your ruling of a few moments ago the original decision to table a document that he described as the minutes still stands so if the House agrees to leave for the Minister to table the draft minutes what is the status of the document that he tabled a few moments ago—and I accept that he may have been inadvertently misled at the time—that he claimed was the minutes? Do we have two documents under two different titles or is in fact a second set now required to withdraw the first document?
Robertson H V Ross: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Referral to Health Committee Procedure In Committee 
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Robertson H V Ross: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Referral to Health Committee Procedure In Committee 
[Sitting date: 15 October 2003. Volume:612;Page:9229. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: No—offence has been taken and it can be ruled under Standing Order 117. 
SUE KEDGLEY 
: It can but there are also issues of debating points. I have already withdrawn and apologised. I have already done so.
Kedgley Sue: Employment Relations (Flexible Working Hours) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Kedgley Sue: Employment Relations (Flexible Working Hours) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:624;Page:19717] 
SUE KEDGLEY (Green) 
: 
 Yes I would be happy to seek leave to give a very brief explanatory introduction because I have already given 10 minutes. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Leave has been sought. Whether it is granted is up to the House. Is there any objection to that—
Voting — Correction 
Voting — Correction 
[Volume:619;Page:14592] 
Voting 
Correction 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Clem Simich) 
: It has been brought to my notice that there needs to be a correction to a vote taken in Committee on the Fisheries Amendment Bill ( No 4). The result of the closure on clause 68 was incorrectly announced as Ayes 75 Noes 21. The correct result is Ayes 75 Noes 41.
Tamihere John: Resource Management (Energy and Climate Change) Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Tamihere John: Resource Management (Energy and Climate Change) Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:615;Page:11322] 
Hon JOHN TAMIHERE (Minister of Youth Affairs) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Parker David: Courts and Criminal Matters Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Parker David: Courts and Criminal Matters Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:626;Page:21704] 
DAVID PARKER (Labour—Otago) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Paraone Pita: Ngati Awa Claims Settlement Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Paraone Pita: Ngati Awa Claims Settlement Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:623;Page:18723] 
PITA PARAONE (NZ First) 
:  
The Minister referred to an earlier regulation and I think that perhaps he may have been misadvised. Because that earlier regulation in no way refers to the word “hapu”. It refers to divisions or specific sections. But it does not refer to the word “hapu”. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich) 
: These are debatable matters which we could have reached when we went through the bill and very likely all members could have been satisfied. But I am in members’ hands.
Copeland Gordon: Statutes Amendment Bill (No 4) — First Reading 
Copeland Gordon: Statutes Amendment Bill (No 4) — First Reading 
[Volume:615;Page:11194] 
GORDON COPELAND (United Future) 
: 
 I am pleased to signal United Future’s support for the first reading of the Statutes Amendment Bill (No 4). 
Bill read a first time and referred to the Government Administration Committee.referred to the Government Administration Committee
Cosgrove Clayton: General Debate 
Cosgrove Clayton: General Debate 
[Volume:621;Page:16335] 
CLAYTON COSGROVE (Labour—Waimakariri) 
: 
 I do not know the Standing Order Mr Speaker so I will ask your advice. When has it become an order in this House that if a member seeks leave to make a speech another member of the Opposition or anybody else can prescribe what that member should speak about? [ 
Interruption 
] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Somebody is about to go outside for the rest of the afternoon for making a totally objectionable remark. I think that everybody knows perfectly well what is going on here. Mr Prebble was perfectly within his rights to object. Mr Clayton Cosgrove however is the only person who can seek leave to speak and in the terms that he himself prescribes. 
CLAYTON COSGROVE 
: I so seek leave.
O'Connor Damien: Aquaculture Reform Bill — In Committee 
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O'Connor Damien: Aquaculture Reform Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 14 December 2004. Volume:622;Page:17758. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon DAMIEN O'CONNOR (Minister for Racing) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Vote: Maori Fisheries Bill Te Ture Whenua Maori Amendment Bill (No 2) / Maori Land Amendment Bill (No 2) — Third Readings 
Vote: Maori Fisheries Bill Te Ture Whenua Maori Amendment Bill (No 2) / Maori Land Amendment Bill (No 2) — Third Readings 
[Volume:620;Page:15775] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Te Ture Whenua Maori Amendment Bill (No 2) / Maori Land Bill (No 2) be now read a third time. 
Ayes 102 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; United Future 8; Progressive 2; Maori Party 1. 
Noes 15 
Green Party 6; ACT New Zealand 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Bill read a third time.
Copeland Gordon: Retirements — Chief Ombudsman; Appointments — Chief Ombudsman and Ombudsmen 
Copeland Gordon: Retirements — Chief Ombudsman; Appointments — Chief Ombudsman and Ombudsmen 
[Volume:608;Page:5135] 
GORDON COPELAND (United Future) 
: 
 On behalf of United Future I would like to mark the retirement of Sir Brian Elwood as our Chief Ombudsman by honouring the distinguished service he has rendered to that office and to the people of New Zealand since 1992. The role of Ombudsman is very much what its incumbent makes it. Sir Brian has enhanced the reputation and credibility of that office in the eyes of the citizens of this nation and that is the ultimate accolade to a person who has dedicated his life to public service. 
I also take the opportunity to congratulate John Belgrave on his appointment as Chief Ombudsman and to wish him well. He will have large shoes to fill and unless I am very much mistaken he will prove himself equal to the task and live up to the high standards established by his predecessor. 
Motion relating to Sir Brian Elwood agreed to. 
Motion relating to Mr John Belgrave agreed to. 
Motion relating to Mr Mel Smith agreed to. 
Sitting suspended from 6 p.m. to 7.30 p.m.
Jones Dail: Subordinate Legislation (Confirmation and Validation) Bill (No 2) — Second Reading Third Reading 
Jones Dail: Subordinate Legislation (Confirmation and Validation) Bill (No 2) — Second Reading Third Reading 
[Volume:613;Page:10042] 
DAIL JONES (NZ First) 
: 
 New Zealand First supports the passage of this bill. I find the Regulations Review Committee to be quite an interesting committee despite other members’ views of a committee that may have a look at 450 regulations a year. It meets at 8.30 in the morning on a Wednesday almost every week that Parliament is sitting. As usual with the excellent support staff that the Regulations Review Committee has this matter was very carefully considered by the members. I would like to express my thanks to the staff for their assistance on this matter and on other matters and also to the other members of the select committee who worked together very well on various issues. We support the rapid passing of this bill. 
Bill read a second time.
Vote: Aquaculture Reform Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Aquaculture Reform Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 14 December 2004. Volume:622;Page:17770. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That schedule 4 be agreed to. 
Ayes 83 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 37 
New Zealand National 27; ACT New Zealand 9; Maori Party 1. 
Schedule 4 agreed to.
Copeland Gordon: Anglican (Diocese of Christchurch) Church Property Trust Bill — Second Reading Third Reading 
Copeland Gordon: Anglican (Diocese of Christchurch) Church Property Trust Bill — Second Reading Third Reading 
[Volume:608;Page:5202] 
GORDON COPELAND (United Future) 
: 
 United Future will be supporting this important bill on both its second and third readings and this will be the only call that we will take on the bill. I have worked for an archdiocese myself for about the last 18 years so I am pretty familiar with matters of church property and with church trusts. I think the bill makes very good sense and I am sure it will enable the Church Property Trustees to continue their important work on behalf of the Anglican diocese of Christchurch and to ensure that its funds are well invested. The bill generally updates the existing legislation and if one likes modernises it to represent the conditions that exist in 2003. All of that I am very very happy with. 
The only real comment I would make on the bill relates to a paragraph in the commentary on the bill as reported from the Commerce Committee that deals with the definition of the term “spouse”. The commentary states: “We recommend that the bill be amended to ensure the definition of ‘spouse’ includes a de facto partner as defined in section 2C of the Property (Relationships) Act 1976.” I think that is complete and utter nonsense. We are talking here about the wife or husband of a bishop of an auxiliary bishop or of another member of the Anglican clergy designated by the bishop to benefit from the operation of this trust. I think that that amendment is an example of politically correct madness. 
The Anglican diocese need not be intimidated if it wants to put the word “spouse” in this bill. The word “spouse” is used in many current Acts that have been enacted by this Parliament. I have no particular problem with the suggestion of putting that amendment in but the trustees should not be intimidated by that and if they want to used the word “spouse” then that is great. I will continue to use the word “spouse” in this House while I am here. It has a meaning that is well defined; it relates to marriage. I think that particularly when we are dealing with a church bill we need to remember that marriage has two factors. One is the civil union of a man and a woman. The other meaning is the sacramental dimension of marriage. One would therefore expect the Anglican church of all people to want to use that word because it conforms not only to the civil law of this country but also if one likes to the canon law of the church itself and the high regard in which it holds marriage—defined clearly to mean a lifelong union between a male and a female. 
That is my only comment on the bill and I say United Future will support it. 
Bill read a second time.
Baldock Larry: Ministerial Statements — Iraq—Military Action 
Baldock Larry: Ministerial Statements — Iraq—Military Action 
[Volume:607;Page:4292] 
LARRY BALDOCK (United Future) 
: 
 On behalf of the United Future party I rise to speak on this very very solemn occasion when action has indeed begun in Baghdad. Many many words have been said for many many months but right now the time for those words has inevitably come to an end. The people who are going to be affected are the people who right now are within the arena of the war zone—the Iraqi people and the valiant and brave soldiers of the “coalition of the willing” who are seeking to implement change within Iraq. It is very clear that when people do not live by good principles—by democratic principles—suffering occurs in the world. It is our wish right now as members of the United Future party to join in prayer with people of all faiths around the world and to pray that the suffering that will be inflicted in that area will be short and that the outcomes will be worthwhile for the people of Iraq and for the peace and safety of the world in the future.
Hartley Ann: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Discharge In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Hartley Ann: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Discharge In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:611;Page:8818] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: I take the member’s point. I certainly heard what the Speaker had to say. I did not actually hear what the Associate Minister said before because I was concentrating on getting the part sorted out. I take the member’s point.
Vote: Status of Redundancy Payments Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Vote: Status of Redundancy Payments Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:615;Page:11575] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the motion be agreed to. 
Ayes 75 
New Zealand Labour 52; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 42 
New Zealand National 25; ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Motion agreed to.
Vote: Resource Management (Waitaki Catchment) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Resource Management (Waitaki Catchment) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:620;Page:15419] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That clause 1 be agreed to. 
Ayes 75 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand First 13; United Future 8; Progressive 2; Maori Party 1. 
Noes 44 
New Zealand National 27; Green Party 9; ACT New Zealand 8. 
Clause 1 agreed to. 
Bill reported with amendment.
Duncan Helen: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Duncan Helen: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:615;Page:11168] 
7.  
HELEN DUNCAN (Labour) 
 to the  
Associate Minister of Education (Tertiary Education) 
: What reports has he received on the progress of the Modern Apprenticeships scheme? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY (Associate Minister of Education (Tertiary Education)) 
: 
 It is all good news. The latest figures show that the Modern Apprenticeships scheme continues to expand reaching 6259 trainees across 30 industries in December 2003. The figures start at the time when the first graduates from the scheme complete their training. A total of 215 young people have now completed their Modern Apprenticeships gaining industry-recognised and nationally recognised qualifications—in most cases with 3-year certificates. 
Helen Duncan 
: What initiatives does the Government have in place that help prepare school students for a Modern Apprenticeship? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY 
: There are 126 schools around the country now participating in the very popular Gateway programme. It provides structured workplace learning for senior school students. In 2003 2608 students participated and the Tertiary Education Commission has contracted for 4000 students to be involved this year. Of course we have plans to increase that even further. 
Hon Brian Donnelly 
: Is it not true that the Modern Apprenticeship Training Act requires that particular regard be given to the needs of women and given that only 6.6 percent of modern apprentices are women is it not equally true that the Minister has grossly failed to ensure that the requirements of his own legislation have been met? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY 
: I thank the member for his interest in that gender-based policy and point out that one of the issues we obviously face is that 26 of those occupations are what are called “traditional male areas of work” such as plumbing and so on. We have been doing our best and we have just renewed our programme with the equal employment opportunities person by the name of Judith McGregor. For example in the round of contracts coming up next coordinators will be required to meet targets for that gender-based policy of ensuring women come into core areas of apprenticeships. 
Hon Peter Dunne 
: Was the head of the Tertiary Education Commission Dr West expressing Government policy—or intended Government policy—when he said that parents and students should look at vocational training programmes such as Modern Apprenticeships ahead of entry to tertiary education and that universities should be limited to those who are academically most able to benefit from them? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY 
: Dr West was certainly representing the Government accurately when he said that we would like parents to look afresh at the range of options many of them work-based where young people might find themselves getting an education more suited to their needs and careers in the future. We currently have a skills crisis in this country and Dr West was pointing out that we need young people to come through industry training to provide skills for our industries in the future.
Carter Chris: Mercenary Activities (Prohibition) Bill — First Reading 
Carter Chris: Mercenary Activities (Prohibition) Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:613;Page:9771] 
Hon CHRIS CARTER (Minister of Conservation) 
: 
 I rise to support this bill. My colleague the member for Roskill has already spoken about the reasons why the Government has brought this bill through. Just last Wednesday I returned to New Zealand after spending 6 days in the Solomon Islands. While there I saw what ethnic conflict and the militarisation of gang warfare can mean in a community. We live in a Pacific that has some tensions and hotspots. Papua New Guinea is another country in our region that the Minister of Foreign Affairs and Trade has spoken about and where mercenaries have been an issue. 
New Zealand has a proud record in international relations in supporting the UN and in being party to conventions to deal with a range of issues—from disarmament to preventing nuclear proliferation and mercenary activity. It is very important that this country be a powerful voice in the world community speaking out against the recruitment of individuals as mercenaries and the fuelling of conflict that can happen even in our region. I strongly support this bill.
Vote: Electricity and Gas Industries Bill — First Reading 
Vote: Electricity and Gas Industries Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:613;Page:9834] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the motion be agreed to. 
Ayes 68 
New Zealand Labour 52; Green Party 8; United Future 8. 
Noes 40 
New Zealand National 21; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 6. 
Motion agreed to.
Mackey Moana: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Mackey Moana: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:614;Page:10450] 
10.  
MOANA MACKEY (Labour) 
 to the  
Minister of Statistics 
: What is Statistics New Zealand doing to raise awareness and extend the use of official statistics in Maori communities? 
Hon JOHN TAMIHERE (Minister of Statistics) 
: 
 Statistics New Zealand has secured funding to retain six kaitakawaenga who were appointed to work with Maori communities during the 2001 census. Their role is to raise awareness and extend the use of official statistics in Maori communities. Statistics New Zealand plays a vital role in informing social political economic and business decision-making in this country and we are proud to be a Government that is taking Statistics New Zealand seriously after years of neglect by those members opposite. 
Moana Mackey 
: What is Statistics New Zealand doing to improve the availability of official statistics about Maori businesses? 
Hon JOHN TAMIHERE 
: Currently no systematic official statistics about Maori business activity are available. As a means of improving the situation Statistics New Zealand in cooperation with Te Puni Kokiri is currently testing strategies for identifying Maori businesses so that a systematic range of statistics can be compiled from existing data sources. The Government believes that these statistics are needed to understand and enhance the contribution of commercial activities. [ 
Interruption 
] That is right and I might add that this Government is supporting Statistics New Zealand in such projects by providing it with an additional— 
Mr SPEAKER 
: That is sufficient.
Vote: Parole (Extended Supervision) and Sentencing Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Parole (Extended Supervision) and Sentencing Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:618;Page:14170] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 96 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand National 27; ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 23 
New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Amendments agreed to.
Gallagher Martin: Health Practitioners Competence Assurance Bill — In Committee 
Gallagher Martin: Health Practitioners Competence Assurance Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:611;Page:8173] 
MARTIN GALLAGHER (NZ Labour—Hamilton West) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Hughes Darren: Aquaculture Reform Bill — In Committee 
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Hughes Darren: Aquaculture Reform Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 14 December 2004. Volume:622;Page:17760. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
DARREN HUGHES (Junior Whip—Labour) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Brash Don: Points of Order — Question No. 4 to Minister 18 September 
Brash Don: Points of Order — Question No. 4 to Minister 18 September 
[Volume:612;Page:8886] 
Dr DON BRASH (NZ National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. On the last sitting day during question time I asked Mr Cunliffe for a comment about compliance costs. I believe he made a quite erroneous answer to the House. I wonder whether he will correct that misleading impression.
Jones Dail: Auckland War Memorial Museum Site Empowering Bill — Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
Jones Dail: Auckland War Memorial Museum Site Empowering Bill — Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:611;Page:8381] 
DAIL JONES (NZ First) 
: 
 I want to clarify clause 6 “Validation of lease”. It states: “The lease is deemed to be and to have always been as valid and effectual as if all the land that is subject to the lease had been that land described in the Schedule.” I wonder whether Judith Tizard could confirm—New Zealand First did not have a member on the select committee as I recall— 
Dianne Yates 
: That’s obvious. 
DAIL JONES 
: It is obvious; it is my job to clarify these things The lease that is referred to I presume is the old lease as shown in the interpretation clause: “lease means the lease granted by the Corporation to the Board dated 31 March 1920”. That is the lease being referred to rather than the new lease which is referred to in clause 5. I presume that clause 6 is there to correct any problems that may have arisen because the original lease did not cover the amount of land that as it transpired it should have covered. That is the point I wish to have clarified by the Minister. I cannot see any other purpose for the clause. 
I am sure that Mr Bill Laxon from Towle and Cooper whom I also know through my practice in Auckland would have made sure it was absolutely right and I am reassured to hear that he was involved in the drafting of the original bill. I congratulate him and thank him for his time and trouble in preparing the bill. It is greatly appreciated. It shows in many respects the work that lawyers do around the community in so many different ways not just for sports clubs golf clubs and places like that but also for places such as museums. 
Jill Pettis 
: Play it again Sam. 
DAIL JONES 
: The member for Whanganui is making me lose track of what I was going to say. It shows the remarkable amount of work that lawyers do generally around the place for so many different types of bodies. He is to be congratulated; I think the legal profession ought to be congratulated on its public spiritedness. 
I would just like to make sure that clause 6 is as I suspect talking about the lease mentioned in the interpretation clause. Part 2 seems to stand on its own and clause 5 talks about the absolutely new lease and what can be contained in it. There is obviously no need to validate the new lease because there is not anything to validate as yet.
Hunt Jonathan: Standing Orders 
Hunt Jonathan: Standing Orders 
[Volume:614;Page:10735] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I have made my ruling. The question is that the question be now put.
Chadwick Steve: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Procedure Referral to Health Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled  Speaker Recalled In Committee Procedure 
Chadwick Steve: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Procedure Referral to Health Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled  Speaker Recalled In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:613;Page:9982] 
STEVE CHADWICK (Labour—Rotorua) 
: 
 I am pleased to take a call to draw us back to Part 3 and the specifics of it. Many of these elements were discussed during the debate on Part 1. But Part 3 is really about compliant product display and signage—that is really all it is. I must admit on this rather quick call that we ourselves on the Health Committee did reach a point of a lot of confusion about compliant product display. I can assure that member over there–who is a little confused obviously; I hope I can help him—that we worked with the industry on this. The Ministry of Health withdrew from the select committee and worked with the industry and that is why we have this rather interesting figure of 100 packets for sale. The industry worked very well with officials to reach agreement on product display and the amendments that we have here are a reflection of the working through of those issues with the industry and the officials at the Ministry of Health. So I hope that that helps those members draw back to the Part 3 debate and the specifics of it. We did cover those other wide-ranging issues at the beginning of the debate.
Ward Mike: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
Ward Mike: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
[Volume:627;Page:22203] 
MIKE WARD (Green) 
: 
 When I was cut off in full flight the other night I was talking about travelling by public transport—by the train in fact. I had hoped that the motorists who were clogging the highway outside were sufficiently grateful to me my fellow travellers those who happened to be walking or cycling on the day those who work from home and the car-poolers. The benefits of public transport are for everybody who travels on our roads. 
The Green influence was obvious in last year’s release of the national walking and cycling strategy and in the public transport strategy. Thanks to the New Zealand Transport Strategy and the Land Transport Management Act we are heading in the right direction but too slowly. The big transport issues now are climate change and the end of cheap oil. When I spoke about this issue last week the price of oil was US$58 a barrel. This morning it was US$62 a barrel and heading upwards. 
We are looking at spending a vast sum of money on roads and the idea that it is business as usual just will not do. The fact that 80 percent of the transport budget which went from $285 million in 2000-01 to a record $518 million this year is targeted at roads in the form of new State highway construction spells to me that it is a case of business as usual. Our children will not thank us for white elephant motorways which will be memorials to our lack of foresight when we can no longer afford to drive on them. 
We have to move away from building infrastructure that perpetuates behaviour that even if it were sustainable can only be described as bizarre. Instead we have to change people’s behaviour. I have spoken about my concern for my grandchildren and it puzzles me that people in this generation persist in living far too far from all the places they need to be. The future may look bleak but sitting in slow-moving queues of traffic day after day travelling to destinations that we should have lived much closer to is not exactly a bundle of laughs either. 
The Greens want a fairer deal for alternatives to cars. Urban and rural State highways receive 100 percent State funding. Urban public transport requires matching funding from local rates. To get real investment in public transport we need to level the playing field; otherwise the money allocated to public transport depends on weary ratepayers coughing up the funds. The Greens are committed to changing this outdated system. I want to talk about where we need to be. It is about redesigning our lives.
Swain Paul: Education (Establishment of Universities) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Swain Paul: Education (Establishment of Universities) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:620;Page:16212] 
Hon PAUL SWAIN (Minister of Labour) 
: 
 I move  
That the Education (Establishment of Universities) Amendment Bill be referred to the Education and Science Committee.
Business Statement 
Business Statement 
[Volume:622;Page:17373] 
Thursday 2 December 2004 
Mr Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Prayers 
. 
Business Statement 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 Next week in the House priority will be given to the remaining stages of the Civil Union Bill—subject to it passing the second reading today obviously—and Government notices of motion Nos 1 2 and 3. Following oral questions on Tuesday 7 December Kenneth Wang is scheduled to deliver his maiden speech. 
SIMON POWER (Senior Whip—National) 
: 
 Could the Leader of the House advise which bills he intends to advance in the final sitting week of this year? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 There are many bills in my plan in that respect. Obviously the ones that have to be done include the validation bill for regulations of various sorts such as the pension increases the Public Finance (State Sector Management) Bill the Aquaculture Reform Bill the Taxation (Annual Rates Venture Capital and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill and any remaining stages of the Social Security (Long-term Residential Care) Bill. Amongst others there may possibly be the Architects Bill and perhaps even the excise duty Bill—I have not talked to the United Future party about that yet. There are already seven first readings on the Order Paper with possibly more by Monday. 
Mr Speaker I also wish you a happy birthday. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Thank you very much. I also thank the Hon Roger Sowry the Hon Mark Gosche and John Banks. 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN 
: And it is my wedding anniversary too.
Gallagher Martin: Ngaa Rauru Kiitahi Claims Settlement Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Gallagher Martin: Ngaa Rauru Kiitahi Claims Settlement Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:627;Page:21886] 
MARTIN GALLAGHER (Labour—Hamilton West) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Barnett Tim: Counter-Terrorism Bill — First Reading 
Barnett Tim: Counter-Terrorism Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:607;Page:4629] 
TIM BARNETT (NZ Labour—Christchurch Central) 
: 
 I must say that I am deeply wounded by Mr Prebble’s suggestion that I am incapable of understanding the words in legislation. I can assure him that the Foreign Affairs Defence and Trade Committee has such towering legal minds as Matt Robson’s and Wayne Mapp’s to advise us on those matters. I also point out that ACT did have the opportunity when deciding which select committees to go on to be on the Foreign Affairs Defence and Trade Committee and it chose not to do so. 
I want to make three quick comments. Firstly that committee has dealt with other bills in this range of legislation that we are agreeing in order to make sure that we can effectively translate United Nations conventions into workable domestic law. It is a vital task that we are doing and we are doing it well. Select committees take an increasingly muscular and rigorous approach to legislation and I can assure the House that our committee will be inviting and receiving comments from right across the spectrum. I was pleased to hear the Minister say in his introductory comments on the bill that when he prepared the legislation he ensured that proper safeguards were in place to ensure that civil liberties were not unduly impinged on. I commend the bill to the House and I look forward to further debate and to select committee consideration of the bill.
Government Superannuation Fund Amendment Bill (No 2) — Instruction to CommitteeCWH 
Government Superannuation Fund Amendment Bill (No 2) — Instruction to CommitteeCWH 
[Volume:606;Page:3801] 
Government Superannuation Fund Amendment Bill (No 2) 
Instruction to CommitteeCWH 
Hon MARK BURTON (Deputy Leader of the House) 
: 
 I move  
That it be an instruction to the Committee of the whole House on the Government Superannuation Fund Amendment Bill (No 2) that it take the bill part by part and consider any schedules as one question 
. 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the motion be agreed to. 
Ayes 109 
Noes 8 
Motion agreed to. 
Labour 52; New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8. 
ACT New Zealand 8.
Visitors — Standing Committee on Health Legislative Assembly of the Australian Capital Territory 
Visitors — Standing Committee on Health Legislative Assembly of the Australian Capital Territory 
[Volume:615;Page:11077] 
Wednesday 18 February 2004 
Mr Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Prayers 
. 
Visitors 
Standing Committee on Health Legislative Assembly of the Australian Capital Territory 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Honourable members I have much pleasure in informing you that the members of the Standing Committee on Health from the Legislative Assembly of the Australian Capital Territory led by the chairperson Ms Kerrie Tucker MLA are present in the gallery. I am sure members would wish the delegation be welcomed.
Jones Dail: Judicial Matters Bill — In Committee Procedure 
Jones Dail: Judicial Matters Bill — In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:617;Page:12882] 
DAIL JONES (Junior Whip—NZ First) 
: 
 This section of the bill has 34 clauses. The next Part 2 goes from clause 36 to clause 75 so I would expect that we would have twice as many calls on Part 2 in that sort of situation.
Business of Select Committees 
Business of Select Committees 
[Volume:606;Page:4059] 
Business of Select Committees 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I seek leave for the time by which the Health Committee must finally report the Smoke-free Environments (Enhanced Protection) Amendment Bill to be extended to 4 April 2003. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Is there any objection to that course being followed? There appears to be none. 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN 
: I seek leave for the Hon Matt Robson to be a member of the Transport and Industrial Relations Committee for the purpose of its consideration of the Holidays Bill and the Holidays (Four Weeks Annual Leave) Amendment Bill but without the right to vote on any question before the committee. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Is there any objection to that course being followed?. There appears to be none.
Tabling of Documents — Question No. 5 to Minister 2 August 
Tabling of Documents — Question No. 5 to Minister 2 August 
[Volume:627;Page:22196] 
Tabling of Documents 
Question No. 5 to Minister 2 August 
Hon PHIL GOFF (Minister of Foreign Affairs and Trade) 
: 
 I seek leave of the House to table a piece from a reporting cable that I indicated I would table during question time today. 
Document by leave laid on the Table of the House.
Pillay Lynne: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Pillay Lynne: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:625;Page:20583] 
9.  
LYNNE PILLAY (Labour—Waitakere) 
 to the  
Minister of Education 
: What progress is the Government making towards addressing skill shortages through the Modern Apprenticeships scheme? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Minister of Education) 
: 
 I am very pleased to advise that 1000 trainees have now completed the Modern Apprenticeships programme and as at the end of March 7760 more were in training—a net increase of 585 since December. Our Government has pumped nearly $70 million into the scheme since 2001 and the scheme has been a huge success—even though the National Party pledged to abolish it. 
Lynne Pillay 
: How are Modern Apprenticeships helping to address skill shortages in key industries? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: It is filling a vital role in addressing skill shortages. There are over 1100 Modern Apprentices in the building and construction industry over 900 in the electrical industries over 1200 in engineering and 1300 in the agriculture horticulture and forestry industries. I just wonder what would have happened if the Tories had had their way and abolished them. 
Hon Bill English 
: Can the Minister confirm that the amount spent on apprenticeships is tiny—and it has been capped—compared to the $1.5 billion he spent in his time as Minister on low-value tertiary courses that were finished by only 30 percent of the students who started them resulting in the waste of over a billion dollars when we could have given a trade to every young person who wanted one if he had not wasted the money? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: I can accept that the equivalent full-time student funding system which was developed when that member was in Government has been wasteful. The answer is not to promise to abolish apprenticeships as the previous National Government did; it is to get the money out of that system and into apprenticeships and that is what this Minister is doing.
Rich Katherine: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Rich Katherine: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:609;Page:6683] 
6.  
KATHERINE RICH (NZ National) 
 to the  
Minister of Maori Affairs 
:  
What reviews of Te Mangai Paho or its senior staff are being undertaken at present and what is the reporting timetable for each of those reviews? 
Hon PAREKURA HOROMIA (Minister of Maori Affairs) 
: 
 There are two reviews being undertaken at the moment. The board is in the process of completing its review of the chief executive’s performance and specific conduct relating to allegations made and I expect to be advised of the outcome in the next day or so. The Audit Office is currently conducting its annual audit of Te Mangai Paho and that is expected by mid-July. 
Katherine Rich 
: Noting that comment about the Audit Office what assurances can the Minister give this House that Te Mangai Paho funding to Dreamtime Entertainment Ltd has been appropriately spent given that the company presented 13 cheques totalling $19810 for petty cash and the Audit Office could not find any documentation or reconciliations showing how those payments reconcile with that amount? 
Hon PAREKURA HOROMIA 
: I look forward to the audit report so I can read the detail that the member seems to have. 
Darren Hughes 
: What will the Audit New Zealand annual audit of Te Mangai Paho include? 
Hon PAREKURA HOROMIA 
: The board has advised me that as part of its annual review of Te Mangai Paho Audit New Zealand will do an in-depth review of the systems policies and procedures surrounding the allocation and monitoring of Te Mangai Paho contracts. 
Katherine Rich 
: How does the purchase by Dreamtime Entertainment of two sets of golf clubs valued at $2281 ostensibly as props for  
Te Wero 
 a youth game show but now in possession of two company directors contribute to the promotion of te reo and Maori culture? 
Hon PAREKURA HOROMIA 
: I am sure that that is an issue that will be addressed in the review.
Vote: State Sector Amendment Bill (No 3) — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
Vote: State Sector Amendment Bill (No 3) — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:616;Page:12176] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 62 
New Zealand Labour 52; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 58 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; ACT New Zealand 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Motion agreed to.
Tanczos Nandor: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
Tanczos Nandor: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
[Volume:618;Page:14315] 
NANDOR TANCZOS (Green) 
: 
 I seek leave to have Vote Communications Security and Intelligence treated separately in order for the Green Party to cast its vote on that. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: I will put that now as a question. The question is that Vote Communications Security and Intelligence stand part of the schedules. All those in favour please say Aye to the contrary—
Pettis Jill: New Zealand Horticulture Export Authority Amendment Bill (No 2) — First Reading 
Pettis Jill: New Zealand Horticulture Export Authority Amendment Bill (No 2) — First Reading 
[Volume:607;Page:4687] 
JILL PETTIS (NZ Labour—Whanganui) 
: 
 I am pleased to support this bill and to speak to it briefly. Once again the most helpful thing we can do for the industry is to get this legislation to the select committee so we can improve the situation for the industry. I repeat that this bill is in front of the House at the request of the kiwifruit industry. Their representatives have brought to the Government’s attention the concerns they have with the export of kiwifruit to Australia following the deregulation of that market in 1998. The issue that became of concern was the low quality of some of the kiwifruit going on to that market which was impacting upon our very good reputation here in New Zealand as kiwifruit producers and exporters. 
This is a good bill. As I said before it was drafted in consultation with the industry itself and is certainly not imposing things upon it that it does not wish to occur. We look forward to the bill’s rapid passage through Parliament and its return to the House for its third reading in as quick a time as possible.
Mapp Wayne: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Discharge In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Mapp Wayne: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Discharge In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:611;Page:8819] 
Dr WAYNE MAPP (NZ National—North Shore) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Chairperson. I believe you have an obligation to rule on it because my colleague Richard Worth has taken offence. When a member has taken offence the proper procedure for you is to request in this instance the chief Government whip to withdraw and apologise. The reason my colleague Mr Richard Worth took exception is that it fits a pattern of behaviour by the chief whip and frankly this side of the House has become rather sick and tired of it. When it is personally directed to a member—a specific member—that specific member is entitled to take exception to it and your proper course then is to ask the offender to withdraw and apologise.
Hide Rodney: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Hide Rodney: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:609;Page:6334] 
RODNEY HIDE (ACT NZ) 
: 
 I seek the leave of the House to shift my question to the Hon Rick Barker who is sitting beside the Minister and whispering the answers in his ear. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The member can seek leave. Leave is sought. Is there any objection? There is objection. That was a frivolous point of order. Would the member please ask the question.