Kuriger BarbaraBARBARA KURIGER (National—Taranaki - King Country): Thank you Madam Speaker. Well I would like to concur with Dr Duncan Webb and say that Penny Simmonds did do an excellent speech just now on what is a very simple bill. So it's surprising what happens in Parliament on a Tuesday nightSo what I would say from the perspective of National and you know a lot of it's been said before but really we support this to first reading. It sounds simple. It sounds like a really commendable thing to do: digitising paper arrival cards—notwithstanding the comments that people have made about those who are perhaps not as digitised as others.But I think sometimes we've just got to watch when we get a bill that sounds simple that we are looking for any particular fish-hooks. I think one of the fish-hooks in this is that sometimes when you digitise something it doesn't quite settle down as easily as it could. Without wanting to dive into the absolute detail at select committee I imagine people would want to have a bit of an understanding that it's fit for purpose it's ready to go.I do remember debating in select committee the bill by Steph Lewis the Biosecurity (Information for Incoming Passengers) Amendment Bill. A lot of submitters came in and they talked about moving away from paper and actually you know not having too much paper because in this day and age we're always trying to preserve the amount of carbon miles and the weight we put on aircraft and those sorts of things. So I do commend the general direction of the bill.I think one of the things that we're most concerned about on this side of the House is what information will need to be collected? And if it is collected what is it collected for? Will it be recorded? Will it be monitored? Will it be used? Because we don't want this to turn into something that's highly bureaucratic. It only should capture what it needs to capture.I want to endorse what Penny Simmonds said about agriculture because one of the things at the moment—and we talk about fast tracking through the borders but right now we've got to be very careful at the borders in New Zealand because we know that we had a scare of foot-and-mouth in Australia recently and some of the stuff that comes through customs if it isn't declared properly—whether it be electronically or on paper—will cause mass destruction to this country in terms of what foot-and-mouth would do to us. It would be a renegotiation of all the trade deals it would be absolutely devastating and it would be way worse than the Mycoplasma bovis outbreaks that we've had and the one that we're currently still having.So we note and we're a little bit worried about the fact that the chief executive of Customs can decide what information is collected because it's not clearly laid out. We're great believers that we do need to make sure we have the right information but let's not go overboard. I would also make a comment—as James McDowall did before—about some of the aspects of travelling that we've had in the last few months.I was able to go to Europe on the Speaker's trip at the end of May and at the start of June. It was one of the first trips that went out of the country. I remember that traveller declaration system. It was absolutely awful. We had people at the airport pulling their hair out. One of the things that I would point to that seemed absolutely stupid was that we had a paper-based version of when our booster was. So it would ask you when your booster was and then it would ask you when your first COVID vaccine was and your second COVID vaccine was. None of that was printed on the paper-based form. The only reason I remembered it is because we had our first COVID vaccination on my husband's birthday—sadly for him—and we had the other one three weeks later. So I knew exactly which dates to put down. But there were people at the airport going If my booster is recorded on the paper-based document and if I put my booster in there the system should know if it knows me when I had my first and second COVID vaccine." There are things like that that actually really make passengers get uptight at airports. We don't want any more repeat occurrences of that.The other thing is that the Privacy Commissioner does also along with the National Party have some concerns regarding the risk of over-collecting information.So I'm not going to say a lot more on this bill because it's a very short piece of legislation and much of it's all been said. It seems sensible: digitising seems to be a good answer to what we're trying to do at Customs but making sure it's efficient and effective and it captures those things and only those things that it needs to capture to keep us safe to keep us disease-free—particularly in the agriculture sector. So we look forward to this bill going through select committee so our members can hear the submissions and then decide where we go to next. Thank you Madam Speaker."