McKelvie Ian; Salesa JennyIAN McKELVIE (National—Rangitīkei): Thank you. It's a pleasure to take a short call on the Thomas Cawthron Trust Amendment Bill. I was not on the select committee that heard the evidence on this bill and made the decisions on it but it's unusual for a private bill to come to the House in my experience and have quite the number of changes that have been made to this bill. And I suppose that the trust board were fortunate to have had Rachel Boyack as the promotor of this bill because she is a stickler for detail. Ha ha! And she'll make sure every word is right. But also it went through the select committee under the chairmanship or stewardship of Naisi Chen and she's a little the same.I want to comment really on the background of this trust. I think it's pretty extraordinary that one person can make such an impact on New Zealand—I know Stuart Smith talked briefly about this before. One person makes such an impact on New Zealand industry and I guess science and business a hundred-and-something years after setting up a trust to effectively—I think it was originally set up to promote agriculture actually. There's some irony in that too and I'll get to that in a minute. But now it's quite a spectacular set-up. And it's been well documented by the previous speakers as to what goes on at the Cawthron Institute and I think it's quite exciting.The comment I wanted to make was the current chief executive of course comes out of the fishing industry and he tends to have a habit of criticising the meat and wool and dairy sectors and thinking that the fishing industry's more sustainable. Well the fact is the great thing about the dairy and meat industry is we're totally renewable. We renew ourselves every year and we don't yet have proof that the fishing industry is totally renewable. I think it probably is having been the spokesperson for fisheries for quite a while. I think it probably is but none the less I don't think it's great for us to criticise other sectors. And it's very interesting because we've seen this just in the last weeks really in the forestry industry where we're tearing each other apart for no good reason. At the end of the day this institute is of great benefit to New Zealand Inc. and I don't think it matters whether it's—in fact we heard a little bit about the potential for it to produce all sorts of algae and things like that. Of course to do that that will have benefits right across the sectors because you can produce these things they turn up in animal feeds they turn up in all sorts of places. So the work they do I think is pretty special.One of the things that interests me about this—and no doubt David Bennett will have a comment on that later—is it's very difficult when you get community-based organisations appointing people. And lots of councils and communities grapple with this issue. This one's quite interesting because it has the mayor the two MPs and the bishop—the Anglican bishop David Bennett. Ha ha! Most important to Nelson of course. But it is interesting it also has an iwi member that appoints those trustees. I think it's sort of an interesting structure and it's a good structure but the bill was needed and it's been well documented again. The bill was needed to deal with this because there was some uncertainty created by a variety of different issues that meant this bill was required to put back in order the things that were doubtful I suppose.I think it's quite exciting. The bill I suppose sets up the structure for an entity that's hugely important to New Zealand. I commend the work of the select committee in getting to this point with it and I need say no more. I'm sure it will be a great success and there'll be more discussion on it tonight. Thank you.ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Jenny Salesa): Members the time has come for our dinner break. I will resume the Chair at 7.30 p.m. tonight.Sitting suspended from 5.58 p.m. to 7.30 p.m.