Hughes Gareth: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Hughes Gareth: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
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6. 
GARETH HUGHES (Green) 
 to the  
Minister of Transport 
: What is his response to the finding of the IBM Commuter Pain survey that investment in public transportation is key to reducing congestion and commuter stress? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE (Minister of Transport) 
: 
 I note that improving public transportation better management of the roading system and providing greater flexibility to work from home are all cited by commuters in the survey as measures by which transport stress can be reduced. The good news is that the Government is very active on all of those fronts: firstly investing nearly $2 billion in commuter rail in Auckland and Wellington; secondly better managing the roading system by completing the Auckland and Wellington roading networks with projects like the Waterview Connection and Victoria Park to extract the full benefits from those networks; and thirdly wearing another hat investing $1.5 billion in ultra-fast broadband to provide better telecommunications and encourage telecommuting from home amongst other things to reduce the need to travel around our cities. 
Gareth Hughes 
: How can he reduce congestion for stressed Kiwi motorists when he has cut funding for every activity other than new State highways including cuts of 26 percent for walking and cycling and cuts of 50 percent for public transport infrastructure? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE 
: The member is simply completely incorrect in those assertions. 
Gareth Hughes 
: How can the Minister claim to be providing for a balanced transport system when over 80 percent of new project funding since he became the Minister has been for new motorways? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE 
: I point out to the member that the roading system carries by far the vast bulk of commuters and freight movements through New Zealand— 
David Shearer 
: What about the “Holiday Highway”? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE 
: In fact the highway referred to by the member opposite carries more traffic and more people per day than the entire Auckland commuter rail network currently. It is good that we are investing in commuter rail because it has the potential to grow over time but the member is deluding himself if he thinks that is the solution given where we started from. 
Gareth Hughes 
: Can he confirm that the majority of conventional economic benefits from the central business district rail loop in Auckland would be congestion reduction for road users? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE 
: Yes I could. Unfortunately the numbers are not as high as that and it is not until we get out to the “transformational benefits”—which Treasury for example has rather severe doubts over—that we actually get to much larger benefit-cost ratios. But we will assess that project over time. It is important that we assess it carefully and with clear eyes because as the member may have noted from earlier in this session the Government has to be very careful fiscally. 
Gareth Hughes 
: Given that the central business district rail loop will significantly benefit motorists stimulate three times as many wider economic benefits as the Puhoi to Wellsford “Holiday Highway” and is supported by Auckland will he now prioritise the central business district rail loop? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE 
: The member is well ahead of himself in that respect. I point out to him that he is talking about notional future demand versus current demand in comparing two projects. Also he is comparing a commuter project with an interregional roading project. The two are rather different. There are many questions to be answered in the central business district rail case before we even consider who might fund it—for example exactly how many cars it might take off the road 5 years after it opens which is not apparent from the business case and would seem to be reasonably important for something that is promoted as a congestion buster. 
Gareth Hughes 
: Given the Minister has said that more analysis is needed why did he commit billions of dollars to the Puhoi to Wellsford “Holiday Highway” in March 2009 when the business case was not completed until 9 months later in December 2009 and as the Minister said only 4 weeks ago “No work had been done on this project prior to it being confirmed as a road of national significance”? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE 
: I point out to the member that the nomination of a road of national significance is not the final shape of the project; it continues of course to be refined. Again I refer to the difference between a notional project which talks about projected possible demand in the future and a project that is creating the demand and is under spec right now. It is quite obvious that the road that he keeps trying to compare with this commuter rail project has demand on it right now and needs to be addressed for a range of reasons including safety economic growth and connection between Northland and the city of Auckland. 
Gareth Hughes 
: When will the Minister admit that all the evidence demonstrates that public transport like the central business district rail loop in Auckland is a better way to cut congestion and reduce commuter stress than wasting billions on his uneconomic pet motorways? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE 
: I have to say I think that the member’s suggestion is reasonably adolescent. Debating which projects should proceed does not mean unquestioning support for any project on the grounds that one transport mode is good and another one is bad. We have to be slightly more mature than that.