Swarbrick ChlöeCHLÖE SWARBRICK (Green—Auckland Central): I wasn't going to take another call but of course the member that's just resumed his seat has goaded me into it. Frankly that's really gutting Dr Duncan Webb and hugely disappointing and frankly an embarrassing contribution that completely undermines what I thought was a really robust and really sensible—and really mature—discussion throughout the select committee process.I put forward in my contribution earlier exactly why it is the case that we're progressing with this proxies issue: because it continues to be an issue. I would think that members on the Labour side of the House would reflect on the fact that the member who is progressing the bill also has put forward her own Supplementary Order Paper (SOP)—rather more nuanced than mine I totally appreciate but none the less it remains an outstanding issue.So if I could just reiterate it for the sake of Hansard and for anybody who might be listening in at home—those unfortunate people who tune into Parliament TV—legislators can get it wrong. Officials can get it wrong. That is why we continue to work through the process in Parliament to continually update legislation.Again if I may I would like to reiterate the very clear example the very similar example of what occurred in 2008 when there was an opportunity to include property managers and real estate agents licensing and professionalisation and that ended up being something dropped that we're now picking up 15 years down the track because it was not identified that it was an issue at the time by the officials that were advising Government.Here there is a really clear issue that continues to flood my inbox as the local MP for Auckland Central. It also for the member based in Wellington Central Nicola Willis continues to be an issue. And I'd say for the member in Christchurch Central Dr Duncan Webb I'm sure there's some people who have raised this issue with him.None the less when it comes to this issue of minorities when it comes to this issue of the power imbalance I made it really clear in my contributions at select committee—and also just before in my contribution—there is currently no standard method for contributing to a body corporate meeting online; for doing that via e-methods. We enable it in the legislation but there is not standardised way to do it. Reflecting even on my own experiences where I spoke to having a hybrid instance for my body corporate in my apartment those of us who were contributing and present online were not able to hear those who were in the room. There are teething issues with this. There continues to be issues that we need to address in terms of limitations to access to those proxies.The other point that I would make is that when we're talking about access to information—again this is something which I put forward at select committee in our discussions—those who have the incumbency bias of sitting on the body corporate at present have access to information to be able to email out those who have those unit titles and ask for their proxies to progress the position that they would like to put forward. Those who may hold an opposing view who do not have that incumbency do not have the opportunity to farm or to solicit those proxy votes. That imbalance of power is something that needs to be addressed and that is why—myself and the member in charge of this Nicola Willis are not saying that you should not be able to pass along your proxy to somebody else. That is not in any of the SOPs. What we're saying is that there needs to be some form of limitation.I just ask members particularly those who are based in central cities around our country to reflect on some of the concerns that they have heard from their constituents. These are peoples' very real lives and peoples' lives have been ruined through some of the kinds of aggressive corporate-type takeovers that have occurred on some of these bodies corporate. I ask those members to really reflect on the things that they are saying right now because they will be recorded in perpetuity in Hansard and I guarantee you they will be coming up at election time.