Uffindell SamSAM UFFINDELL (National—Tauranga): Thank you Madam Speaker. Firstly—you obviously know where I'm going to go with this—I just want to thank everyone that's been involved. I know there's a lot of people here and obviously on that side of the House as well for whom this means a lot. So I appreciate that this is a big moment for you all and I just want to recognise all your hard work on that. I would also like to start with the Minister because there are a few things that weren't addressed during the previous stage mainly around how it would apply to professional services. I know that this is probably not intended to address that but this is a very big part of the economy—Hon Michael Wood: It's the stockbrokers and the merchant bankers that's who we're here for buddy.SAM UFFINDELL: —and it was never talked about. It's a very real concern though Minister and I would like to have understood how it would apply and you never answered me. I also continually asked for feedback on how this would work when people say in sales roles—and you've done a bit of selling before as well I know that—and how that would apply when they are paid on commission instead of just a wage. Because the truth is a lot of people don't just get paid a wage; they get paid a commission instead. A lot of people—and you mocked me for this when I was talking about technology companies young enterprising start-ups around the country—instead of paying higher wages they give employees share plans. I know that most people don't get that Minister but some people do and that's where a lot of growth is going to be in the future. It's already happening overseas and that's why I asked it. I wasn't just having a laugh. I wanted to know why we are applying it in such a broad-based manner. And that is what you have done. I can get where it does apply and yes I know that everyone's really passionate and that's probably what everyone here represents but it's across the whole economy across all industries. You are really going to hammer people because it takes no account for the differences in businesses it takes no account for the small businesses it takes no account for people who pay or live in sales roles and I really wanted that addressed.My colleague Erica Stanford also talked about migrant workers and close to where I live—in the country—we have Recognised Seasonal Employer workers around and they are on the median wage. They are above Kiwis and we wanted to know how that would operate and we didn't get an answer for it. They are also entitled to minimum hours the whole time—Kiwis are not. That wasn't addressed. You didn't listen to Business New Zealand; they doubled down on how bad this was. Despite widespread concerns—the coercive nature of this—you retained all the bad elements. In fact it actually got worse after the select committee process and that's what the Employers and Manufacturers Association said as well. You were also given advice about how it wasn't going to be all rosy like you thought it would by the Ministry of Business Innovation and Employment and by Treasury and they were ignored. That's a common theme with this Government that you just don't consult properly with people because you don't really believe in consultation outside of your own echo chambers—ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Jenny Salesa): Order! Order! This is a warning I've given this particular member in the past. Please don't bring me into it. Whenever you use the term you" you're not referring to the Minister or anyone else in this House; you're referring to me. SAM UFFINDELL: My apologies Madam Speaker. I am learning and will continue to learn. Thank you for that. People on that side of the House don't get into consulting. People on that side of the House live in echo chambers. People on that side of the House actually haven't had a lot of experience in the workplace. I read something recently about your top five: Ardern Robertson Woods Wood and Hipkins—five years in business and I know a bit of that was selling fish and chips and Christmas trees but I'm trying to get you guys and have been this whole time to understand how the employer could look at it. And you never have and the consultation that you've engaged in has been very poor. So I will strongly stand against this bill and I am looking forward to when there is a National Government in power next year and there will be because that side of the House has put constant costs on to businesses; whether it be inflation; whether it be the Minister not letting workers in here and having an enormous bottleneck in that area; whether it be the jobs tax that's coming up; huge reckless spending; and now this. The businesses in New Zealand—when you go talk to them—have got real concerns with this Government. So I am looking forward to us coming into power and repealing this bill. Thank you."