Kuriger BarbaraBARBARA KURIGER (National—Taranaki - King Country): Thank you Mr Speaker. Congratulations Mark Cameron on having this member's bill drawn—and yes the National Party is supporting Mr Cameron. Look I would like to commend Minister Parker for setting out some of the issues that we are currently facing and I don't think Mr Cameron or anyone in the National Party denies that there are problems to be solved. But Minister Parker said himself that over the last 30 years things haven't got as good as they could have been despite the Resource Management Act. So therefore we have a Resource Management Act and I know there are—[Bell rung]—new ideas coming forward and I—DEPUTY SPEAKER: Sorry just sorting out the clock. Sorry for interrupting. BARBARA KURIGER: Oh OK. We know that we're looking for improvements to that legislation. Farmers are actually number eight wire people. They know they've got a lot of stuff to solve. We are not actually hiding behind that and I count myself in that because I am a farmer as well just like Mr Cameron is. Farmers want to get out of bed in the morning and they want to put one Red Band in front of the other and they want to do something practical. They are very good at doing the practical things that will help solve their problem. The issue that they've had lately is that there are so many regulations and so much red tape coming at them and so many things to sort out that they are spending all of their time stressing about where to go what to do first and they actually need to be able to work by region by community and help—I understand that there's got to be some underpinning things that go on.But I use an example here: there was a press release (PR) that went out last week where the Hon Damien O'Connor has put out a PR saying the Government investment in farmer-led catchment groups sweeps past [the] 150 mark". Now this is a real example about how one catchment is different to the other catchment—Taranaki is different to what it is in Northland to what it is in Southland. People want to get out of bed in the morning and they want to get out put their gumboots on and go and do something to fix this.Now just recently I was in the Wairarapa with a catchment group and what is really difficult about some of those things when you get centralisation is that you've got a group here that wants to plant trees they want to improve waterways they want to do the right thing and they've got six different entities that they've now had to form because of bureaucracy and red tape. They have to report back to the Ministry for Primary Industries and the Ministry for the Environment quarterly and they don't mind the accountability but they are reporting back on two different quarterly dates right? So that is what happens here when we end up having too much centralisation—sometimes it's the administration. They've had to employ somebody's sister who could help them deal with the administration.Look there are ways of doing this. Look at the Pomahaka Catchment Group—and there's a whole lot of other catchment groups I could name around the country that have been doing some good work. I used the example just recently about the winter grazing issue. I want to commend Bernadette Hunt for her stance in explaining exactly how winter grazing works. I commend you Minister for listening and taking in some more submissions around how this might work.What I would urge the Minister and the Labour Party to do is to perhaps support this bill through the first reading come into the Primary Production Committee come and listen to some of the submissions where people are offering ways of fixing problems not in a one-size-fits-all way but in a regional way where people can actually get out of bed and look at each—what actually happens is they get out of bed in the morning they can see their neighbours they look each other in the eye and they are just willing to work together. They are not form-fillers. They are not people that are really good at the administrative type of work that they are being asked to do. I wouldn't think it would be too much to ask for an industry that has seen this country through all of our COVID lockdowns—thankfully trade prices have kept up; thankfully Fonterra and Silver Fern Farms and others have found ways through the shipping constraints to still get our trade out of the country. We do actually appreciate what farmers do when they get out of bed every day to help keep this country going. I think it would be really good if the Minister and others would let this go through to select committee and see if there are some things that we could solve regionally. Thank you Mr Speaker."