Ryall Tony: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Ryall Tony: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Hon TONY RYALL (National—Bay of Plenty) 
 to the  
Minister of Health 
: Would it be appropriate for a district health board chief executive to send a copy of draft tender documents to one potential bidder for comment and amendment without treating other potential bidders in the same way; if not why not? 
Hon DAVID CUNLIFFE (Minister of Health) 
: 
 That would depend entirely upon the circumstances and the nature of the documents under discussion. 
Hon Tony Ryall 
: Is the Minister aware that as a result of winning the community services contract in Hawke’s Bay by breaching Audit Office guidelines Mr Hausmann and district health board chief executive Mr Clarke began negotiating a junket around the world together called a study tour; and is that OK by this Minister? 
Hon DAVID CUNLIFFE 
: I have no knowledge of the “facts” to which the member refers but I would be happy to reflect upon them. 
Lesley Soper 
: Would it be appropriate for a Crown entity to consult with private parties at an early stage of development of a potential public-private partnership concept? 
Hon DAVID CUNLIFFE 
: In theory quite possibly yes. That would depend upon the probity and governance processes in place around any such consultation. It is frequently the case that in the early stages of designing projects consultation is carried out with different parties to ensure the feasibility and quality of any future tender process. 
Barbara Stewart 
: Did the Minister authorise the release of confidential emails one of which was tabled yesterday; if so why have they not been made available to all parties? 
Hon DAVID CUNLIFFE 
: No. The emails were not mine to authorise nor was I aware of their source or in fact of whether they had been obtained in breach of any confidentiality obligations or non-disclosure agreements. But if the member does find out how Mr Ryall obtained supposedly secret emails perhaps she could let Dr Brash know. 
Lesley Soper 
: What was the actual situation in relation to early contact between Mr Atkinson and Mr Hausmann? 
Hon DAVID CUNLIFFE 
: We simply do not know the answer to that and we await the findings of the independent—[ 
Interruption 
] But wait there is more. There is a lot more; there is a lot lot more—patience patience. 
Rt Hon Winston Peters 
: I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. Not only can we not hear what is going on at this end of the House but behind me on my right it looks like a Hitler Youth meeting with people waving their hands as though in salute to some former leader. Frankly that behaviour ill-behoves parliamentarians and I would ask you to make them stop it. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: I agree with the member. If that behaviour starts again with the loud barracking that is going on members will be asked to leave the Chamber. 
Hon DAVID CUNLIFFE 
: It may for example ultimately prove to be the case that Mr Atkinson was himself involved in the request for proposal process with Mr Hausmann at a very early stage. I repeat to the House that I have not seen any drafts of this report nor have I been briefed on its contents but any speculation by members opposite in advance of the release of the report in my view would be uninformed unwise and unfair. 
Hon Rick Barker 
: Has the Minister seen or heard of any reports from the Hawke’s Bay District Health Board that the Opposition MPs are claiming that Deborah Houston was dismissed for being a whistleblower? 
Hon DAVID CUNLIFFE 
: Yes. I have seen a copy of the settlement document negotiated between the chief executive and Ms Houston which says inter alia: “The Hawke’s Bay District Health Board confirms and Ms Houston accepts that the restructuring that led to Ms Houston’s position being disestablished was genuine and was unrelated to the protected disclosure.” 
Hon Tony Ryall 
: Does the Minister regard it as ethical that the chief executive was negotiating a contract that included the benefit of a trip around the world for himself? 
Hon DAVID CUNLIFFE 
: I cannot form a view on the ethics of a particular matter when the contents of such a matter are not in my possession. 
Hon Tony Ryall 
: Is the Minister aware that the chief executive officers of at least two other district health boards were intended to go on the same junket and will he investigate what offers were made? 
Hon DAVID CUNLIFFE 
: It is my proposed course of action in the first instance to receive the director-general’s independent governance review report. If there are matters that either I or the Auditor-General need to follow up pursuant to that I shall be happy to do so. 
Hon Tony Ryall 
: Is the Minister aware that this information came to light only because of the whistleblower who lost her job because of her integrity? 
Hon DAVID CUNLIFFE 
: As I am advised some 50 jobs were lost in the restructuring at the Hawke’s Bay District Health Board and as Ms Houston has herself signed this settlement document which states that she was not restructured because of the protected disclosure it would appear that the member opposite is calling into question Ms Houston’s integrity. 
Heather Roy 
: How many times did the Minister go to Hawke’s Bay and meet with the board to see for himself how dire the situation was or call the chair to Wellington for discussions; if the answer is none is that because he is taking all his information from his cronies and it is much easier to persecute the sacked board from afar rather than to go to Hawke’s Bay look the board members in the eye and hear the truth? 
Hon DAVID CUNLIFFE 
: In the first instance I took careful advice as to how I should properly handle a conflict situation in a district health board and I followed that advice. In the second place if the member wishes to discuss cronyism then she may wish to raise it with Mr Tremain and Mr Foss who met regularly with Mr Atkinson. 
Heather Roy 
: I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. I ask for your advice. I fail to see how the Minister addressed in any shape or form my question about how many times he met with the board or called the chair to Wellington over this situation. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: I thought that he did actually address the question. 
Hon Tony Ryall 
: Will the Minister inquire as to when the study tour was first discussed; was it before or after tender documents were offered to Annette King’s appointee Mr Hausmann? 
Hon DAVID CUNLIFFE 
: My answer to the member’s previous question stands. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: No would the Minister please clarify his answer. 
Hon DAVID CUNLIFFE 
: That answer was that I shall await the report of the director-general’s independent governance review panel and both I and the Auditor-General will then consider what further action is appropriate. 
Rt Hon Winston Peters 
: Is the Minister aware that Ms Houston’s settlement could be set aside if she was improperly coerced into signing it and has she brought such an action; if not what does he make of her failure to do that in the light of the claims made by Mr Ryall? 
Hon DAVID CUNLIFFE 
: I thank the member for his question. I am aware of no attempt by Ms Houston to seek any form of redress in respect of that settlement and I can only conclude that Mr Ryall is either misrepresenting or calling into question the integrity of Ms Houston.