Uffindell SamSAM UFFINDELL (National—Tauranga): Thank you Mr Speaker. I rise to speak on this. We're going to oppose this bill. I mean this is just nanny State—you know what are we doing here? We've got a situation where we don't trust people to go to the toilet properly. If you look at what is happening here you're saying to your little family that goes out they've got a self-contained toilet—it's one of those nice little ones that holds up and contains everything in there—and they go and do their business in that. But you're not going to allow them to have that any more—you know a little self-contained one—because you don't trust them to then do the right thing. Are you going to end up with perverse situations here where people end up not taking a toilet on the off-chance one of these regulators or whatever you want to call them comes along and is looking and says You've got a self-contained toilet—you're freedom camping. You're going to get a fine." DEPUTY SPEAKER: I'm not going to do anything. Don't use the word "you" every third word. SAM UFFINDELL: Sorry Mr Speaker—thank you thank you. Are you going to end up—is one going to end up in a situation where a regulator comes along and then questions the freedom camper about why they've got one of those portable toilets? I wouldn't want to be caught in that situation if I was freedom camping so I wouldn't bring the personal toilet. In fact one would probably be inclined to leave it at home and then go off and do the sneaky. So are you actually then creating a situation that is a worse outcome than the one that would have been had otherwise? I will note my colleague down here Joseph Mooney who it has been noted put forward a number of highly sensible Supplementary Order Papers (SOPs) and may I just say that I am not surprised that unfortunately none of them were taken up. But what are we really trying to achieve here? I mean we say that the councils have come in and said "This is a really big problem." and the feedback that came in said that this wasn't necessarily a big problem: "We freedom camp we will know how to manage our excrement we don't need a Government telling us how to do it. We're sensible enough."—as are most New Zealanders. But for those people who were already going out there and doing the wrong thing I would challenge whether this bill is going to make any difference whatsoever and for your families out there—and let's face it most people who are out there are freedom camping. They're freedom- and fun-seekers or they're people who in this very tough cost of living crisis environment find that this is the easiest way for them to go and have an easy family holiday. Is this Government now going to take that away from them again be the fun-sponge—as they always are—and say "You can't do it because you don't have a fixed toilet. That portable one you've got it was nice and you and your family used to use that but the freedom campers are no longer allowed to use that." I think that's just a bit mean. So I would encourage everyone out there—especially on that side of the House—to take on the virtue and the value of personal responsibility and trust that people know what to do with their excrement when they're freedom camping. They should have listened to Mr Mooney when he was putting forward his SOPs. The Minister—I don't know whether she listened to Joseph. It didn't seem like the Minister was all with it today but that's OK. We can hopefully revisit—Simon O'Connor: Which one? SAM UFFINDELL: Which one? Excellent question. Which reading? Another excellent question—I'll ask it before you do Mr O'Connor. But on that note I will undoubtedly oppose this bill. Thank you Mr Speaker."