Hayes JoJO HAYES (National): Thank you Mr Chair. I stand to talk about the 90-day trial. I was an employer as well and Mr Chair will be familiar with the organisation that I'm going to talk about because this organisation isn't too far away from the home of the Chair. I just want to talk about the opportunity that I had to actually employ two young Māori women on a 90-day trial. They came to me with no qualification whatsoever of what I was looking for. I said to them I was quite happy to take a bet on them. They seemed to be very enthusiastic about the job; it was a receptionist job. I only needed one person but I took the gamble and took both of them on. And the result of that was that one of them ended up being a health promoter because after their first month of their 90-day trial with me I had a meeting with them just to see how they were going—just to see whether or not I had made a good decision on being able to employ these young women.They found that they were unable to get into the workforce because number one they didn't have any qualifications. No employer out there wanted to take a gamble on them and I did. The other one came to learn how to run a PABX system which is a telephone system. Her family had a business and she wanted to work for them. They didn't have an opportunity to train her in the role that she wanted to be trained in and so she applied for the job as receptionist in the hope that I would be able to help give her some of those skills. Nowhere throughout the whole interview with these young women—we knew about the 90-day trial but we never ever discussed it with them because my idea of employing them wasn't to actually get rid of them after 90 days like some people across the other side of the room are talking about. It was never about that; it was always about giving them an opportunity. And I think this is what the 90-day trial is all about: it's about giving them an opportunity.When one starts to look at employment of those that have no qualifications that can't get on to the employment ladder then we have to try all ways of being able to open up opportunities for them. And I'm pleased to say that the young woman that came in to learn about telephone systems within organisations—she carried on. She did a little bit more training in other areas of human resource management—all of those things we were able to offer her on top of her employment role. So when I stand here and I look at the changes that this Government want to do around the 90-day trial I'm actually really shocked. I'm shocked because it does disadvantage those young women.That's why I stand here tonight supporting Supplementary Order Paper 115 in the name of Scott Simpson. We want to make sure that young women like these young Māori women—these are the most vulnerable women that we're talking about. We must give them an opportunity. We must be able to offer them that. We must be able to do what I did and put them through educational training to get qualifications. That's what a 90-day trial gives an employer an opportunity. It was never ever about unions or anything like that; it was always about the person and I think in this Chamber when I look at this bill and I look across the other side of the Chamber that's what's missing in this bill—it's the people factor; it's the experience that most of us on this side of the Chamber have got in employing other people into their organisations.When I looked through that I looked at the meal breaks—the rests. We worked in a kaupapa Māori organisation and we ran that. We had kai when it suited us when it worked in for the organisations because sometimes we hosted people. Those young women that were on reception got to learn those skills—although it was pretty easy because they came from a marae background; so they knew that side of the entertainment or manaakitanga. So the skills those young women brought along to our organisation we learnt we grew from. Our organisation just wasn't about the mahi; it was also about the waiata it was the tikanga of Māori and we were pleased to be able to offer these young women that opportunity in an employment situation. As an employer I would never take on people unless I'm able to give them some money and some sort of training into furthering themselves. I've always worked like that I always will do work like that and I can say that this 90-day trial that the Government is taking away from people like these young Māori women especially in organisations with over 20 staff—I had 21 staff which would have meant I would have missed out under this legislation.