Martin TraceyHon TRACEY MARTIN (Minister for Children): Thank you very much Madam Chair. Can I thank the honourable members for their contribution. I'll do my best to answer the questions that I have been asked.Just to clarify for the Hon Alfred Ngaro the difference between Schedule 1A and non - Schedule 1A crimes. So first of all I think it's worthy of making sure that the public understands that murder and manslaughter are in a completely different regime. So to murder somebody or kill somebody without intent—which you know is my definition I suppose not a legal definition of manslaughter—is a whole other regime. So regardless of what age you are there is a way that that is treated by our justice system. But an example of Schedule 1A for example would be aggravated robbery as opposed to non - Schedule 1A which would be robbery. Sexual violation would be a Schedule 1A. Obviously it's 14-plus years the seriousness of the crime. I thank the member for his questions because I know one of the things that we run into when we're actually having this conversation with the general public—and we talked about it today with the Social Services and Community Committee members—is the public wants to know that their Government is also going to keep them safe. At the same time it is to the benefit of the public that we change the direction of these young people because the victims of crime are the young people. But that doesn't mean that we're going to minimise the crimes that some of these young people have done. So I thank the member for their question and I hope that that has clarified that.The member also asked me to clarify clause 4H and what that means in the Supplementary Order Paper. So clause 4H in the actual bill clarifies that the circumstances where a charge can be transferred back to the Youth Court include where the young person is not guilty of the Schedule 1A crime; where the defendant applies to have the non - Schedule 1A separated—so they can choose—from the Schedule 1A once they are in the District Court and the District Court has granted it. So they have to apply and get that clarity. Where the Schedule 1A charge is dismissed or withdrawn—this clarifies that where there is no longer proceedings for the Schedule 1A the non - Schedule 1A can be transferred back to the Youth Court.Now the reason for Supplementary Order Paper 247—because the member will have already been through this as part of the main part of the bill—is to give even greater clarity to that clause. So the clause is slightly amended in the Supplementary Order Paper—for example to ensure that a family group conference could be restated. Should it have switched from the Youth Court to the District Court because there was a Schedule 1A charge that has now been dismissed it can actually—the family group conference—be restarted. Or for example we could refer to a youth hearing even though it might have started at the District Court. The purpose is we don't want to redo what we've already done; we want to be able to bring information down. So really clause 4H—there's just greater clarity inside that Supplementary Order Paper.The Hon Louise Upston—if I caught her contribution clearly the main concern that she had was around the reason for the truncated select committee and why it took so long after 20 months of this Government being in place for me to bring this bill forward knowing that we had to have it in place by 1 July 2019. The only explanation I have for her is that Oranga Tamariki has been working through the changes with the courts—the District Courts and the High Court and the Youth Courts—to see how all the changes that were implemented by the previous Government would interact. It wasn't until we were well on that pathway of making sure that we understood how that flow would go that we recognised that we needed to make these technical amendments.I apologise if I have missed other questions from the member. Perhaps she might be able to be given the leeway to re-ask them because I certainly want to make sure I do my best to answer all the queries from the Opposition.