Jackson WillieHon WILLIE JACKSON (Labour): Kia ora Madam Speaker. Tuatahi he tika ki te mihi ki tō tātou rangatira a Efeso. Nō reira e te rangatira e kore mātou e wareware i tō kaha ki te kōkiri i ngā kaupapa i ngā wā katoa. Nō reira e te rangatira moe mai moe mai moe mai rā.[Firstly it is appropriate to acknowledge our noble friend Efeso. So noble leader we will never forget your strength in progressing initiatives at all times. And so noble leader rest in peace.] I sympathise—empathise—with are our friends in the Greens. I was listening to Steve Abel there and I think we're all still a bit stunned with the death of Efeso. He was very close to a number of us and if things had gone right he would have been with the Labour Party but he ended up with the Greens and I spoke at the tangi yesterday for our team and it was lovely to give the whānau some aroha and some support. It's such a loss and I'm thinking of him at this time because this is a kaupapa he supported 100 percent—100 percent. He was that type of person; a great advocate for people right across the spectrum—not just Greenies or Labour people; Pākehā Māori working-class people. But he was absolutely aware of how important this sort of kaupapa was particularly within the system.I look across at Dr Reti over there who is someone who we have some respect for because we're aware of his mahi in the North as his whanaunga over here are also and I'm stunned by what's happened here. I'm stunned because a man like Dr Shane Reti should respect—and I know he has said a number of times he respects the work of a lot of our professionals but when you have people of the ilk—I was going through Dr Rawiri Jansen's submission to the tribunal. These are people who have given their lives to our people not just in the medical side; they advocate actively for the political rights of our people. I was looking at Dr Rawiri Jansen's submission to the tribunal and it's so clear and you heard the Hon Peeni Henare talking about the Treaty. I was looking at one of the paragraphs that Rawiri was talking about and he summarises it well. He says in short The Te Tiriti - based approach where engagement is not an afterthought and partnership decision-making is in evidence which elevate and reflect the voice of Māori will be lost. The Crown's proposal to proceed without having made any effort to develop an alternative or to engage with Māori to develop an alternative is a clear breach of Te Tiriti o Waitangi." That is from Dr Rawiri Jansen. We know him well. We appointed him to a number of boards and he gives his heart and soul to this kaupapa. I ask Dr Reti to consider that. Also I heard the co-leader of the Māori Party Debbie Ngarewa-Packer talking about Mason Durie. You're talking about one of the most brilliant minds of the last generation without a doubt. And he's not political despite who his son-in-law is.Hon Member: He is; I just said he wasn't. He really is but you know.Hon WILLIE JACKSON: Oh he is political but he's not a person who misuses that political standing at all.Shanan Halbert: He tells it straight.Hon WILLIE JACKSON: He tells it straight. He's a good man—a good man—brilliant brilliant brilliant brilliant. And there's a solidity and stability about him and he's given great direction to many of us—to many of us. I know when Peeni Henare was the Minister he sought his counsel. These are not radical extremist Māoris like Debbie—oh no I won't go down that track. Ha ha! But this is the thing: this argument has been turned into some sort of race debate. That's the sad thing here. We hear some of these idiots from the ACT Party you know who run these lines of "separatism" and "apartheid" and "it's all your fault you Māoris in the Māori caucus and you Greenies and you Māori Party." That's got nothing to do with it. These are pragmatic people who are leaders in our society like Dr Mason Durie Dr Rawiri Jansen Dr Papaarangi Reid. And this is mana wahine absolute—absolute. Papaarangi challenges everyone; not just the National Party. She'll challenge Māori males; she'll challenge the Labour Party. And I say to this doctor over here you are ignoring exceptional people who know about this kaupapa much more than the people you have consulted who seem to only be his mates in the National Party the rednecks in the—I shouldn't go that far—the right-wingers in the ACT Party and the lost lot of New Zealand First. These are the people that Dr Reti has consulted. They wouldn't have a clue. I've got to ask—Hon Member: Sit down.Hon WILLIE JACKSON: —I've got to ask—no you sit down and you stay down because you've got no right to speak on this kaupapa. We are being patronised by idiots you know. Who are the experts that these people are talking about? I've just named three. What about Dr Anthony Jordan? He's another brilliant and exceptional young man.Shanan Halbert: Yep he's a lucky man too.Hon WILLIE JACKSON: I don't know if he's a lucky man. I don't know about that Shan. But he's an exceptional young doctor who worked with us in the roll-out in the vaccination process. What about Dr Lily Fraser at Turuki Health? Dr Lily who's also one real gun amongst the doctors. We really love her work particularly in South Auckland in Māngere. She works at Turuki Health an organisation that was set up by my uncle Syd Jackson and by my first cousin Ramari Jackson. That's been part and parcel of our South Auckland community for the last 30 or 35 years. I ask Dr Reti: who are your people who you have consulted with? Give me two three one Māori professional who supports this. Does he really believe in this? Because our people have waited decades for this. Tureiti Moxon my dear friend Tureiti Moxon who is the chairman—the chairperson I should say—of our National Urban Māori Authority—a bit of a thorn in our side sometimes.Hon Peeni Henare: Good lady.Hon WILLIE JACKSON: A good lady. A bit of a thorn in our side sometimes my dear friend Tureiti Moxon who actually took my position as the chair of the National Urban Māori Authority. But she has constantly—constantly—talked about how Māori needed an opportunity within the system. So these are just some of the experts that I was rolling out. I was going to also talk about Lance O'Sullivan who's another expert—Shanan Halbert: He wanted to be a National Party MP.Hon WILLIE JACKSON: That was the problem with Lance but he's still a good man. They're all saying the same thing but who are the experts that the other side can quote? That's my challenge. And when we get into the question time I want to hear—apart from Winston Peters and Jenny Marcroft and Shane Jones who did Dr Reti talk to? Name some professionals. It's like David Seymour—who the heck is he consulting with his Treaty principles bill? Oh that's right: Elizabeth Rata. Oh my goodness! Such an expert on Māori race relations! There's an arrogance that has come from this Government that really upsets us because our experts have said "We want this set up within the system." And so I'm proud that our party was able to set this up led by my friend and brother over here Peeni Henare who set this up within the mainstream system. We never dreamt that we could have a Māori Health Authority within the system. We've done that. We're proud of it. Our people love it. The other side want to destroy it. We're looking forward to going through question time and finding out who the experts were that they spoke to. Kia ora Madam Speaker."