Faafoi KrisKRIS FAAFOI (Labour—Mana): Can I just speak to clause 14 and again take an opportunity to ask the Minister in the chair Christopher Finlayson a question as I do not sit on the Foreign Affairs Defence and Trade Committee. It goes to a new subclause (1A) that has been inserted into clause 14 which reads An intelligence and security agency may provide protective security services advice and assistance to any public authority or person or class of persons under subsection (1)"—we do not need to worry about that—"in co-operation with any other such public authority or person or class of persons." My question is around oversight because if the Minister is approving certain agencies or certain bodies for protective services to be supplied by them or for cooperation to be had with an intelligence agency and then that agency is cooperating with other agencies or other persons the net gets a bit wider. I guess my question is: what level of oversight is there from the Minister or within the realm of the intelligence agencies just to see how far that might get?I think there would be concern amongst the public—it is a little bit like your neighbour's neighbour's neighbour's neighbour because you are cooperating with so many agencies that are with the primary agency that is being cooperated with—as to how far this information could get. I am assuming it will not get too far but my question to the Minister in the chair Christopher Finlayson is: what safeguards are there to ensure that the kinds of operations or the kind of information that may be shared under clause 14(1A)—which looks like it has been added by the select committee—might be safeguarded to make sure that that information and the operations might not be spread too far?I think given some of the scrutiny of intelligence agencies in the last 5 to 7 years there would be a lot of public scrutiny as to whom exactly we are cooperating with and I think that would probably be a valid question that people who may have submitted to the select committee might want to have answered. That is my first question to the Minister as to what oversight there is there.I might be getting slightly into trouble with the Chair but there was also a piece of legislation last night where there was a form of words around secrecy notwithstanding other enactments in the tax legislation. I asked the Minister in the chair at the time the Hon Judith Collins whether or not that was a dangerous set of words and whether a precedent was being set. I am not saying that it is within this Part 2 here but Part 2 in its totality does talk to a lot of the practicalities and operational issues that the intelligence agencies will be dealing with. And I guess if we are going to introduce other pieces of legislation where they can seem to opt out of secrecy arrangements and enactments that this House passes then I would hate to see it becoming the norm for pieces of legislation. In that case it was a relatively inane thing around student loans but it has been the case in other cases of legislation where one piece of legislation has been used and been justified to be in a piece of legislation because it exists somewhere else.So if I can get an answer from the Minister to that first question as to oversight around clause 14(1A) that would be helpful because I think that would put a fair degree of people who are sceptical—and I think it would be fair to say there are quite a few—at ease."