Seymour DavidDAVID SEYMOUR (Leader—ACT): Thank you Madam Speaker. Clare Curran said she felt embarrassed to be speaking and I'm not surprised. But I want to stand on behalf of the ACT Party in favour of this Arms (Firearms Prohibition Orders) Amendment Bill (No 2) because it's actually a good start on a piece of legislation to solve a real problem. That problem is not ultimately firearms; it's P. It's the scourge of P that does not discriminate. I represent the Epsom electorate and I can tell you that picture-postcard Remuera families are affected by P as much as any other. People don't talk about it a lot. People don't talk about it perhaps because they are embarrassed. But once you start talking about the effects of P on the people of New Zealand you find that none of us are more than a couple of degrees of separation from a life ruined by that drug.Who is peddling the drug? Who is profiting from that drug? Well it's the gangs. How do they go about enforcing their ill-gotten property rights in this criminal enterprise? Well they use illegal firearms and we know that at great pain from the recent death of Matthew Hunt a young police officer at the beginning of his career slain by a gang dealing drugs with illegal firearms. That's why Brett Hudson has done the right thing bringing a bill to this House to address the problem.But I'd put it to Brett Hudson that we can actually do better on a couple of counts. One is I know that the licensed firearm community the people who have been punished for the actions of criminals over the last 18 months are very concerned about leakage funnily enough the kinds of issues that Clare Curran alluded to—leakage of this law to affect other groups of people at the whim of police. I can understand that concern. So the ACT Party supports this bill on the first reading because Brett Hudson is going in the right direction. But when Parliament reconvenes after the election serious questions will have to be asked about whether this bill is safe. Is it susceptible to mission creep where it may affect law-abiding people wrongly defined under a law designed to catch gangs?The second thing I'd say to Brett Hudson and the House is that I don't know that this particular law will hit the gangs hard enough. You see the thing is that it says they're not allowed to have a firearm. The problem is they've already got illegal firearms so I don't know if making more laws will deal to people whose problem is they fail to follow the law. The ACT Party says we got to hit them where it hurts. Sending these guys to jail for breaking the law is not going to have much effect. You see they got more friends in jail anyway. But what they do care about is the bling—the gold-rimmed motorcycles that they use on their social media channels to recruit the next generation of thugs and ultimately victims of the scourge of P. The ACT Party says what we should be doing with this bill is amending the criminal proceeds legislation to say if gangs with illegal guns deal drugs it's open season on your assets. That's what we should be saying not just here's another law for you to break" but "if you break the existing law then we're coming after your assets." That's the opportunity to punish the gangs in New Zealand. That's the opportunity that we have to actually put the squeeze on the scourge of P that is ruining so many lives. The ACT Party looks forward to the next Parliament where we can work together with our friends in National and Brett Hudson in particular to really get stuck into gangs with illegal guns dealing drugs and loot ruining lives by hitting them where it hurts: going after the bling and the assets that they use to suck people into this terrible tragedy life after life day after day. Thank you Madam Speaker. I commend this bill on the first reading"