Edmonds Barbara; Pugh MaureenHon BARBARA EDMONDS (Labour—Mana): Thank you Madam Chair for allowing me to take the call possibly the last call before dinner. What I needed to ask the Minister of Local Government about was actually a bit more of a technical drafting question. It is very much predicated on what the member for Manurewa Arena Williams spoke about around transitional savings and related provisions. For those who are not aware transitional savings and related provisions basically allow for the smoothness between the repealing or changing of one law into a new law. What we see in this bill is that Part 1 provides the transitional savings and related provisions and if you look into Schedule 1 it says that there is none. I would agree with the member that well if there is none then you don't need it.But my second question then turns to actually there are some particular rights which are covered under Part 2 of this particular bill and I question whether they're actually in the right spot—whether really they should be in Part 1 given that the purpose of this particular bill is to remove those water service entities for Northland and for Auckland. But there are particular rights that pertain to employees of those entities and that's covered under Part 2 of this bill—I think it's clause 17. So my question really for the Minister is around just—it's a technical drafting provision. We have no transitional savings and related provisions in Part 1 even though Part 1 has the purposes to disestablish those water entities. Why is it that the rights of those employees who will now be made redundant are under clause 17 not within the Part 1 transitional savings and related provisions? It is a genuine question around—they will be having their rights removed their employment rights removed because they have contract law they've signed into an employment arrangement. Obviously this is an event for them and therefore that's why they have to be—they will be disestablished their roles will be disestablished therefore subject to normal employment rules. But it is a genuinely technical question as to why that particular rule for those people because their rights are really important which are enshrined in employment law—why they are not in the transitional savings and related provisions.Part of the reason why I do ask this as to why I'm confused as to why they're in Schedule 2 of Part 2 is that if you're going to in the preliminary clauses disestablish the water entity—so you're basically saying the purpose of this bill is to disestablish them get rid of them; OK that's the Government's discretion. However then they say in clause 5 there are no transitional savings or related provision clauses—there's none. So it goes back to the first point which is what the member for Manurewa raised very prudently which is basically: what's the point of having that transitional savings? Does this mean by not having transitional savings and related provisions that those which are in later in Schedule 2 of Part 2 are no longer valid for their rights?I mean I understand it could be a drafting technique as to why the Parliamentary Counsel Office may have thought—perhaps the instructions from the Department of Internal Affairs were that they should be in Schedule 2 because Part 2 and Schedule 2 go through the actual different parts of how they disestablish it and then the consequential amendments. But my question is: why would you not have them in the transitional savings and related provisions given they are important rights? They are rights and employment rights of these workers who will now lose their roles because of the disestablishment which is covered within the preliminary clauses in Part 1. So I would genuinely like to just understand a bit of that drafting mechanism as to why it's not in Part 1 under the transitional savings and related provisions in clause 5 and instead in clause 17 as part of Schedule 2 of Part 2.CHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh): Members the time has come for us to suspend for the dinner break. We will resume again at 7.30.Sitting suspended from 6 p.m. to 7.30 p.m.