Bennett PaulaHon PAULA BENNETT (Deputy Leader—National): Well I have to say that was not the worst debate contribution that I've heard. I certainly have heard a lot worse and my impassioned colleague on the other side there Grant Robertson gave it a bit of stick. But where he went wrong though—it was fatally fatally flawed in one place—was a confident man—Mr SPEAKER: Order! Order! Sorry I'm going to interrupt the member. In fact we're going to start the member's time again. Mr Goldsmith Mr Faafoi and a number of other people have been standing and having conversations with their backs both to me and to Ms Bennett. It is most uncourteous and it will not continue. The Hon Paula Bennett starting again.Hon PAULA BENNETT: Hey so where I was at was you know it wasn't the worst debate contribution I've heard—in fact impassioned and sticking up for what they believe in and principled and all those good things—but it was fatally fatally flawed in one bit which kind of ruined the whole thing. If a few weeks into Government you weren't so confident you aren't going to be there for more one term you wouldn't give a damn if we were for it or against it. But that's actually the whole flaw of it; it was actually you know would National be supporting your free fees in years in time and that's not what it is.Hon Chris Hipkins: You're bringing the house down Paula!Hon PAULA BENNETT: Actually I'm not trying to be funny Mr Hipkins. I think this is kind of a serious matter. I think it's kind of a serious matter the way Government runs the way it's actually structured and whether or not you're organised enough to know whether there's enough votes in the House if you're going to be putting up people for positions. I think it's important to know actually Mr Hipkins if you've actually done the count of your colleagues and you know who's here and who's away and what's going to happen.It has been a shambles—it has been a shambles—from day one and it's still a shambles today but to be fair in a new Government you can expect some mistakes. You can expect them trying to find their feet. You can expect the odd thing to be happening. What has really struck me with it is that what I expected was for them to have a degree of humility and to be actually able to stand up and say Got that one slightly wrong guys. We've learnt from it. It won't happen again and we'll move on." but they couldn't do it. What we have realised is that after all of the glow of this new Prime Minister who went round in the campaign and absolutely held herself up as being something kind of special she's as flawed as the rest of us and she'll spin. You know she's as flawed as the rest of us and her default position is to spin her way out of it instead of actually fronting up. I think actually I hope she learns from that because the public do give you a bit of a hand.So I've got a few key questions colleagues. The first is: will Winston Peters still be the first man down the mine? We were promised that—we were promised that—promised it repeatedly so will Winston Peters still be the first man down the mine? The people of Pike River actually deserve to know that. He made them that promise and we'd like to see that actually go through. We heard this great impassioned plea Mr Hipkins about how wonderful this new fees-free tertiary education is and about how you're doing it because you believe in education and you believe in people getting ahead. How about actually giving that to those people that are in charter schools and recognising those students and those parents? They are actually full of real angst at the moment. They believe passionately in their kids. They want them to do well. I know some of the kids that are in some of those schools. They're really genuinely worried. It seems we care about some people's education but not about others'. I ask for some consistency there.Since we have the Government here which is great can we get how much immigration is now going to be dropped by? We were promised 30000 by Labour; we were promised 50000 by New Zealand First. Now it's not going to be 30000. Now they're not sure how many. We've got no idea. People don't know. Again this is actually people's lives so it would be fair and reasonable to give people that are here in New Zealand applying for residency some certainty on what's going on there. A lot of promises were made. Mr Jones it'd be good to know how many trees yeah? We sort of had that it was going to be a billion. How many have been planted so far? We're weeks and weeks in now. We're six weeks in. We would like to know. We've now backtracked of course on the Trans-Pacific Partnership because Labour now love it although they didn't. So we're just backtracking backtracking backtracking. There were big housing promises from Twyford. We had that there were going to be 30000 in the first year; now we're already back to 16000.But the one for this week without a doubt has been the work-for-the-dole scheme. So we've got the "Js" going on. We've got Jonesy Jackson and Jacinda yeah?Mr SPEAKER: Order!Hon PAULA BENNETT: So we have got that going on and we've got Mr Jones going on about how this new work-for-the-dole scheme absolutely has to have sanctions. His nephs are getting off the couch; they're going to be forced into these jobs at forestry—no call by the way on whether or not they'll pass the drug test and actually be able to get into the jobs. Will there be sanctions if they can't? Because that's genuine—that's genuine.Darroch Ball: They're all lazy and they're all on drugs right?Hon PAULA BENNETT: Well he's the one that said they're lying on the couch Mr Ball. He's the one that said they're not getting off and getting those jobs. He's the reason why we actually have people that are imported into the North to pick fruit and actually get ahead. There is a way that we actually could do something about this so we'd like to see some consistency there. Mr Jackson of course is against it. He doesn't want sanctions. He thinks that everyone is absolutely hard-done-by and if only they could get a chance. Then we've got the position of the Prime Minister of Jacinda Ardern and that's interesting in itself. If anyone could tell me what it is I'd be really grateful because I've got no idea at all on where she stands on any of this. Again instead of fronting up it's all just a bit mealy-mouthed."