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Shaw James: Telecommunications (Development Levy) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeShaw James: Telecommunications (Development Levy) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third Reading[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3755. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]JAMES SHAW (Green): At this point I just want to speak to our Supplementary Order Papers.
Mallard Trevor: Telecommunications (Development Levy) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMallard Trevor: Telecommunications (Development Levy) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third Reading[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3755. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Trevor Mallard): No this is the most substantive clause in this bill and it has not been to a select committee. We are quite a long way off.
Bennett David: Telecommunications (Development Levy) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeBennett David: Telecommunications (Development Levy) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third Reading[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3755. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]DAVID BENNETT (National—Hamilton East): I move That the question be now put.
Mallard Trevor: Telecommunications (Development Levy) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMallard Trevor: Telecommunications (Development Levy) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third Reading[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3752. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Trevor Mallard): OK I have now decided that the member has struggled for long enough.
Faafoi Kris: Telecommunications (Development Levy) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeFaafoi Kris: Telecommunications (Development Levy) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third Reading[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3752. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]KRIS FAAFOI (Labour—Mana): I am not quite sure of how much time I have got left to take. I might have another 5 minutes but I am not sure. I am sure the bell will tell me.We do not believe that this piece of legislation should continue and I take your point that this piece of legislation is about the collection of a levy or a tax as we have argued on this side of the Chamber. We do though think that it should have gone through the proper process before it did start collecting this tax.Jacqui Dean: I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I am just seeking your assistance. I did rise and request a closure motion which I do not know that you addressed but you then called upon a member to make a speech who had not actually asked for the call.The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Trevor Mallard): Well actually he had and he asked at the same time as the member asked for the closure. He called at that point and that is the right time to call. Actually by going to another member it is probably a pretty clear indication of my decision on the closure motion. If the member wants me to sort of underline it I had declined it.KRIS FAAFOI: Thank you very much Mr Chair for that clarification of your ruling. I do not want to unnecessarily take up the time of the Committee but there is—from what the Minister said in one of her Committee stage contributions—a fair bit of negotiation that has to happen from the commencement date up until about June 2016 when I understand that the Rural Broadband Initiative 2 comes into force. I think from a couple of the press releases we have seen that there is a fair bit of negotiation that needs to be done between the telecommunications companies and the Government before this piece of legislation can actually become effective and until those taxes can start being collected.We have heard a submission via a press release from the Telecommunications Carriers Forum. From the commencement of this piece of legislation until—
Mallard Trevor: Telecommunications (Development Levy) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMallard Trevor: Telecommunications (Development Levy) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third Reading[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3751. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Trevor Mallard): I am not going to take it now but I am going to issue a warning and it—Dr Russel Norman: Oh come on Trevor.The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Trevor Mallard): Who was that? Can I remind the member of what happened to Mr Mark earlier in the day for interjecting in a similar circumstance.Hon Member: What happened?The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Trevor Mallard): Mr Mark had a short holiday from the Chamber. So I now give the Committee a general warning about interjecting when the Chairman—[Interruption] Yes Mr Williamson will be required to stay if that is the case. The point that I am going to make to Mr Faafoi is that this is a bill about collecting money and not spending it so any further arguments about when the money is spent will not be tolerated.
Dean Jacqui: Telecommunications (Development Levy) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeDean Jacqui: Telecommunications (Development Levy) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third Reading[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3751. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]JACQUI DEAN (National—Waitaki): I move That the question be now put.
Hudson Brett: Telecommunications (Development Levy) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeHudson Brett: Telecommunications (Development Levy) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third Reading[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3749. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]BRETT HUDSON (National): I move That the question be now put.
Borrows Chester: Telecommunications (Development Levy) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeBorrows Chester: Telecommunications (Development Levy) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third Reading[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3748. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Chester Borrows): I will give a member the call. I would just like to make the point that we have well traversed the Royal assent even in various European countries by the Governor-General as well as the Queen and the King of Belgium. So I look forward to the next speaker cutting a fresh track on this very narrow clause.
Borrows Chester: Telecommunications (Development Levy) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeBorrows Chester: Telecommunications (Development Levy) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third Reading[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3745. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Chester Borrows): I will just remind members that votes are to be heard in silence. We have had previous precedent today when that was breached and there were ramifications. We will hear votes in silence.
Bakshi Kanwaljit Singh: Telecommunications (Development Levy) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeBakshi Kanwaljit Singh: Telecommunications (Development Levy) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third Reading[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3745. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]KANWALJIT SINGH BAKSHI (National): I move That the question be now put.
Ross Jami-Lee: Telecommunications (Development Levy) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeRoss Jami-Lee: Telecommunications (Development Levy) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third Reading[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3742. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]JAMI-LEE ROSS (Junior Whip—National): I move That the question be now put.
Borrows Chester: Telecommunications (Development Levy) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeBorrows Chester: Telecommunications (Development Levy) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third Reading[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3741. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Chester Borrows): I will give a call shortly but by way of being helpful and in no way being patronising I will note that the debate is becoming somewhat repetitious at the moment. The discussion around this clause 1 “Title” is the widest ranging part of this debate. After that we move on to clause 2 “Commencement” clause 3 “Principal Act” the amendments that are around clause 3A and then clause 4 “Schedule 3B amended”. These will be very narrow debates and very little leeway will be given in so far as members must address those parts. Members seeking clarification on this could look at Speaker’s ruling 114/7. I just draw to the attention of members that now they should be looking to draw on new novel and innovative avenues of inquiry or debate or discussion.
Tisch Lindsay: Telecommunications (Development Levy) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeTisch Lindsay: Telecommunications (Development Levy) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third Reading[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3728. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch): This debate is by clauses and the question is that clause 1 stand part.
Ross Jami-Lee: Telecommunications (Development Levy) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeRoss Jami-Lee: Telecommunications (Development Levy) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third Reading[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3728. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]JAMI-LEE ROSS (National—Botany): I commend the bill to the House.
Collins Judith: Telecommunications (Development Levy) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeCollins Judith: Telecommunications (Development Levy) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third Reading[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3725. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Hon JUDITH COLLINS (National—Papakura): The money that has been spent has been so effective that 74 percent of rural households now have broadband. That is how effective it is and frankly it is only going to get better under this Government.I feel sorry for the Labour Party. It is the only party that is voting against rural broadband for New Zealanders who need that for their businesses for the schooling of their children and for them to be connected to the rest of the world like the rest of us are. It is disgraceful that a party that used to say it stood for telecommunications and broadband is now voting against the bill. It is the only party—disgraceful. I think about the fact that we are talking about it being an extension of a levy that has been in place now for some years not some new thing just dreamt up and the only person I see who has really come out against it is Mr Conor Roberts who has not been that long with Spark. I remember him from his days as an often-failed candidate for the Labour Party and also with Len Brown’s press office. So I think that Mr Conor Roberts is a very nice chap and I wish him well in his career but he needs to get his facts right.I commend this bill to the House.
Tisch Lindsay: Telecommunications (Development Levy) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeTisch Lindsay: Telecommunications (Development Levy) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third Reading[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3724. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch): Kris Faafoi—5 minutes.
Tisch Lindsay: Telecommunications (Development Levy) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeTisch Lindsay: Telecommunications (Development Levy) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third Reading[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3723. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch): The next call is a split call. James Shaw—5 minutes.
Bakshi Kanwaljit Singh: Telecommunications (Development Levy) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeBakshi Kanwaljit Singh: Telecommunications (Development Levy) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third Reading[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3722. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]KANWALJIT SINGH BAKSHI (National): It is my privilege to stand and contribute to the second reading of this bill. I agree with what Tracey Martin said. It is a very good bill from this Government.This Government is working to ensure that all New Zealanders are connected to the latest technology. I congratulate the Minister the Hon Amy Adams on bringing this bill to the House. I hope all New Zealanders will appreciate the work that this Government is doing. I commend this bill to the House.
Hudson Brett: Telecommunications (Development Levy) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeHudson Brett: Telecommunications (Development Levy) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third Reading[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3719. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]BRETT HUDSON (National): For the edification of the member David Clark who has just resumed his seat the telecommunications development levy exists today. It has existed since 2011. It is already built into the pricing packages that businesses and consumers pay today. The change here does not increase it. It is the same rate as it is today. It merely extends the number of years that it will apply for. So look Spark is entitled to send whatever message it wants but if it wants to send a message to its customers that a levy they are already paying for is going to be charged again then it risks its customers saying to themselves: “Different brand same old Telecom.” I will leave them to decide whether or not to do that.This is an extremely good measure that supports rural New Zealand and I commend it to the House.
Lee Melissa: Telecommunications (Development Levy) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeLee Melissa: Telecommunications (Development Levy) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third Reading[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3716. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]MELISSA LEE (National): Very briefly I would like to make two points. One is that I would have thought that the Opposition understood competition. I thought competition was actually a good thing—that if you provided competition within telecommunications companies and had more than one company which would actually be a monopoly the companies would do everything that they could to appeal to customers. They would provide the best possible service so that they can actually get more customers. Oh but no those members are in the Labour Party. They had a competition and they ended up with Andrew Little. Ah that is the reason why they do not understand competition—OK I get it now.This is a great bill. I was actually despairing when I saw on my Facebook a post that a friend had made. She is visiting. She is the manager of New Zealand Tourism in Korea. She is here with a bunch of travel writers. They have been here for a week I think and they could not access the internet properly in our rural areas. These are people with millions of followers but because they have been travelling in our beautiful country—what good is beauty when there is no internet and these people are travel writers? They finally got to a place where they could actually tweet and this is the photo that I got.I will not lament the day that we have very fast internet. This is a great bill for the rural sector. This is a great bill for New Zealand where businesses will grow families will benefit and New Zealand will actually benefit as a whole. Thank you very much.
Hudson Brett: Telecommunications (Development Levy) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeHudson Brett: Telecommunications (Development Levy) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third Reading[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3712. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]BRETT HUDSON (National): It is an absolute joy to rise and speak in this first reading. It is incredible—twice incredible. Yesterday the Minister of Finance delivered an incredibly good Budget one that helps those in most in need by increasing real benefits for the first time in 43 years. Those members over there should hang their heads in shame at the two previous Labour administrations—absolutely shocking—and today it is incredibly bad that the same Labour members are opposed to our helping people in rural New Zealand by expanding the rural broadband coverage. Dr Clark just said that he thought that communities should encourage us to give faster broadband although he is going to vote down this measure that is going to expand the coverage.This is a great bill. I commend it to the House.
Bakshi Kanwaljit Singh: Telecommunications (Development Levy) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeBakshi Kanwaljit Singh: Telecommunications (Development Levy) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third Reading[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3709. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]KANWALJIT SINGH BAKSHI (National): Thank you for the opportunity to contribute on this bill. I would like to share something with this House. Last month we visited Spark and it shared a very interesting fact with us about how the internet has changed the whole scenario in New Zealand. Spark mentioned that 15 years ago the total internet traffic from New Zealand was 40 gigabytes—the total traffic from New Zealand was only 40 gigabytes—and today the average household has got a connection of 40 gigabytes.Paul Foster-Bell: How much?KANWALJIT SINGH BAKSHI: Forty gigabytes on average.Kris Faafoi: Who told you that?KANWALJIT SINGH BAKSHI: Spark told us. You were there I think Kris.Kris Faafoi: No no no.KANWALJIT SINGH BAKSHI: Ah! You heard that.Kris Faafoi: I was at the Porirua McDonalds.KANWALJIT SINGH BAKSHI: OK. Ha ha! Technology is changing as we heard from a lot of members. This is a very good bill which will make the difference. I commend the Minister the Hon Amy Adams for her thoughtfulness and I commend this bill to the House.
Tisch Lindsay: Telecommunications (Development Levy) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeTisch Lindsay: Telecommunications (Development Levy) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third Reading[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3707. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch): A 5-minute call—James Shaw.
Collins Judith: Telecommunications (Development Levy) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeCollins Judith: Telecommunications (Development Levy) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third Reading[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3706. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Hon JUDITH COLLINS (National—Papakura): What a joy to be able to contribute on the Telecommunications (Development Levy) Amendment Bill. Having listened to all of the previous speakers I think we are in danger of peace breaking out. Fantastic! I never thought I would say that I agreed with almost everything that Tracey Martin from New Zealand First said. I never thought—ever ever ever—and not in my wildest nightmares believed that I would ever say that I agree with almost everything that Mr Gareth Hughes from the Green Party said. I have to say that that was spectacular except for the nonsense about the inquiry and attacking my dear colleague the Hon Steven Joyce. I do not think we want to do that.What I am really pleased about—Hon David Cunliffe: She’s having to cast a wide net for Cabinet votes now. She’s even asking the Greens for votes.Hon JUDITH COLLINS: Oh Mr Cunliffe is upset because I have not mentioned him. All right. I really liked the part where Mr Cunliffe said: “It looked OK but no one signed up.” He was talking about his own leadership of course.But apart from all that to hear that we have 73 percent of rural homes now with the Rural Broadband Initiative—that roll-out has happened—that is fantastic. But the Green Party is dead right. Not having broadband particularly in rural areas is not only really disadvantageous for homes and for people in businesses but also it is a danger now. In so many places along the roads in various parts there are black spots—it is now a danger. We have mobile phones not just because we like to but actually because it is a safety measure. I think we need to sort this out in the 21st century and I fully support this bill.
O'Connor Simon: Telecommunications (Development Levy) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeO'Connor Simon: Telecommunications (Development Levy) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third Reading[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3702. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]SIMON O’CONNOR (National—Tāmaki): I am not sure who that member was at the backbench of the Labour Party who was just speaking but there were two interesting themes. One was about Project Loon from Google and Labour would know all about that—hot air and balloons floating around in the stratosphere and it is like the balloon in Missouri that crashed to the ground recently. The Labour members were also I see talking about black spots and I think the Labour Party knows all about black spots because most of them would have loved to be in a black spot yesterday when they heard their leader’s speech falling on deaf ears and collapsing and crashing to the ground.This is a good bill. It seeks to increase an existing levy in order to roll out services that our people want. I was on a select committee yesterday where we were hearing evidence from people who were saying that they want more broadband be it in the rural or urban areas. They want it faster as well—that was one of the things they said. This is a Government responding to that. You are hearing very positive thoughts from this side but unfortunately all it is from the other side is ad hominem. With that I take my seat.
Lee Melissa: Telecommunications (Development Levy) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeLee Melissa: Telecommunications (Development Levy) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading In Committee Third Reading[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3699. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]MELISSA LEE (National): I am just a tad surprised by the member Clare Curran who has just sat down. I was slightly confused as to whether she was in fact for rural broadband or against rural broadband—I guess that is just like the Labour Party. This is actually Budget-related legislation that has been brought to the House and yesterday when the Budget speech was read I think the Labour Opposition was absolutely gobsmacked that we for the first time in more than 40 years are delivering for the poorest people in this country and increasing benefits. There has been nothing from previous Labour Governments.We live in a world where it no longer takes ages to deliver mail. It used to be that people used to write a longhand letter put a stamp on it and put it in the post. It might have taken weeks before it was actually delivered. With the advancement of modern-day technology it is almost instant. Somebody could write an email from Korea or America and it will be here within a couple of seconds. Technology advancement has made our lives easier in some instances and sometimes in rural areas it has not actually caught up. This is what we are trying to do—to provide faster internet technology for the rural areas.I know that some other countries that Ms Clare Curran talked about have different speeds they are going for and some have managed to achieve some elements of their target. Korea has been a major leader in technology and even in Korean rural sectors where there is difficult terrain and small groupings of houses the target is only 2 megabits per second. In New Zealand this National Government is targeting 5 megabits per second. Tech advancements are fabulous but sometimes I lament the bygone days when we had to send letters. There are times when I wish I could disappear from the reach of the telephone calls I get.But I digress. The Telecommunications (Development Levy) Amendment Bill is a great bill. It provides further stability and certainty to the telecommunications industry and consumers. This bill will benefit businesses families and New Zealand as a whole. I commend this bill.
Tisch Lindsay: Points of Order — Members of Parliament—Conflicts of Interest Absence of Members—Effect on VotingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeTisch Lindsay: Points of Order — Members of Parliament—Conflicts of Interest Absence of Members—Effect on Voting[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3694. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch): Once we have started the vote when you raised a point of order I thought it was in regard to the process that we were going through at that stage. Your point of order was about what you considered to be some affairs of certain members of Parliament which is a very serious matter—a very serious matter. It is an allegation that this House would take very very seriously and that is why I have considered that this is a matter that you need to go and lodge through the Privileges Committee if you feel aggrieved by it. As far as the vote on this bill is concerned we have finished that and I will not entertain any further discussion on it. The matter is finished. So we now move to the next bill on the Order Paper.
Mark Ron: Points of Order — Members of Parliament—Conflicts of Interest Absence of Members—Effect on VotingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMark Ron: Points of Order — Members of Parliament—Conflicts of Interest Absence of Members—Effect on Voting[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3694. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]RON MARK (NZ First): I understand and appreciate that but I did raise a point of order prior to the third reading for your announcement and I did attempt to get that through to you and you overruled and moved forward. My—
Tisch Lindsay: Points of Order — Members of Parliament—Conflicts of Interest Absence of Members—Effect on VotingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeTisch Lindsay: Points of Order — Members of Parliament—Conflicts of Interest Absence of Members—Effect on Voting[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3694. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch): No I have concluded the vote; it is all finished. If the member had concerns as I mentioned earlier he should have brought it up earlier. Once we have taken the vote once I have announced the result and the Clerk has read the third reading it is finished. That is the end of the matter. That is how we have always operated. There is no recourse. We are now moving on. Your point of order is out of order.Ron Mark: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker.The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch): If you are relitigating what I have said Mr Mark that would be a very serious matter as far as the House is concerned.
Mark Ron: Points of Order — Members of Parliament—Conflicts of Interest Absence of Members—Effect on VotingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMark Ron: Points of Order — Members of Parliament—Conflicts of Interest Absence of Members—Effect on Voting[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3694. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]RON MARK (NZ First): I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I have also received reports of a number of Government MPs having been seen outside of the House so on that basis I am going to ask to move that a personal vote be called in accordance with Standing Order 144.
Mark Ron: Points of Order — Members of Parliament—Conflicts of Interest Absence of Members—Effect on VotingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMark Ron: Points of Order — Members of Parliament—Conflicts of Interest Absence of Members—Effect on Voting[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3694. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]RON MARK (NZ First): I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. To continue my point—my point is this: we have done a search using the Parliamentary Library research services and it is now clear to us that a number of Government members who have just voted have strong interests in property development companies in Auckland. A—Hon Member: Oh shut upRON MARK: Shh! In silence. A number—The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch): Points of order in silence please.RON MARK: It is clear from the register that some 24 National Party members have 48 properties. But it is also very clear and concerning—and this is why I tried to give an opportunity for the Government to consider before it cast those votes—that a number of National Party members who just voted have strong interests in property development companies that could stand to gain from this legislation being moved—The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch): No no. [Interruption] Order! [Interruption] The member—[Interruption] Order! We are dealing with a point of order and there will be silence. If the member had concerns about this—we have had a 4-hour debate. We started this debate at 9 o’clock this morning. So we have had over 4 hours now of this debate. If the member had concerns he should have brought them up at that stage. We cannot interfere with the vote. The vote has been taken I have announced the result and the Clerk has read the third reading. That is the end of the matter. If the member has concerns then the course of action for him to take is to actually go through the Speaker and lodge a complaint. If you feel that there are some grievances here then this could be a case for the Privileges Committee and you would be able to lodge those grievances through that avenue but not interfere with the process of this House because your concerns are not a process matter that this House can concern itself with. We move on.
Tisch Lindsay: Third Readings —Text is incorporated into the Bound VolumeTisch Lindsay: Third Readings —[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3693. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch): One moment. Look we are in the middle of a vote here. I thought your point of order related to a vote. [Interruption] No the member will sit down. Of course you should have brought the point of order before we went to cast the vote. I have called for the votes and the Clerk is now assessing those votes. We will have the result of those votes and then the member may continue with his point of order.
Mark Ron: Third Readings —Text is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMark Ron: Third Readings —[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3693. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]RON MARK (NZ First): I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I want to refer you to a couple of Speakers’ rulings. This is Speaker’s ruling 205/2 which reads: “It is central to the democratic idea that the purpose of elected public office is to serve the public not to enrich the office-holder or his or her personal connections. It is important for members to ensure that they do not use their position to influence the legislative process for their own advantage or that of someone with whom they are connected.” I have spent a little bit of time going through the pecuniary interests register and I have just had the Parliamentary Library return a document stating a number of members’ own property development companies in Auckland.
Muller Todd: Third Readings —Text is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMuller Todd: Third Readings —[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3693. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]TODD MULLER (National—Bay of Plenty): It gives me great privilege to be able to stand here as the final speaker in support of the legislation divided from the Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill. It is time for the members to park their histrionics and park their ideological dead ends and actually come across and listen to what this legislation delivers. There will still be 60000 properties in the ownership of Housing New Zealand in 2017. There will be 3000 more social housing places by 2017—3000 more. It is time for you to come across. You have still got an opportunity to represent the people whom you purport to support like the iwi in Tauranga who want to participate as a community housing provider and like the accessible housing companies that are wanting to participate in Tauranga. These are people whom you purport to support. If you had integrity you would see that this bill is designed to deliver more for the people whom you purport to represent. But this party does—we represent them. I commend this legislation to the House.A party vote was called for on the question that the Housing Restructuring and Tenancy Matters (Social Housing Reform) Amendment Bill the Taxation (Social Housing Reform) Bill the Housing Corporation (Social Housing Reform) Amendment Bill and the KiwiSaver (HomeStart) Amendment Bill be now read a third time.
Smith Stuart: Third Readings —Text is incorporated into the Bound VolumeSmith Stuart: Third Readings —[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3691. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]STUART SMITH (National—Kaikōura): Legislation arising from the Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill is important legislation. I think the main plank of this legislation is that it moves the focus from one social housing provider in Housing New Zealand to the people who require social housing. That flexibility is essential because other providers in conjunction with Housing New Zealand will actually be able to meet people’s needs in the way that they are needed—in the right places with the right houses of the right size. It is a great pleasure to be a part of a Government that actually hits to the heart of the matter rather than sticking to tired old ideology. So it is with great pleasure that I commend the legislation to the House. Thank you.
Tisch Lindsay: Third Readings —Text is incorporated into the Bound VolumeTisch Lindsay: Third Readings —[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3690. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch): I call Meka Whaitiri—5 minutes.
Tisch Lindsay: Third Readings —Text is incorporated into the Bound VolumeTisch Lindsay: Third Readings —[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3689. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch): The next call is a split call—Jenny Salesa 5 minutes.
Naylor Jono: Third Readings —Text is incorporated into the Bound VolumeNaylor Jono: Third Readings —[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3688. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]JONO NAYLOR (National): Well it has been an interesting few hours since yesterday hearing the members opposite just being fixated with one part of this legislation and going on and on and on. I want to draw members back to the legislation itself and to the explanatory note which states: “Among other things ministerial directions could allow the agency to purchase social housing places into the future … to pay more or less than the income-related rent subsidy and generally to enable arrangements that respond effectively to social housing need.” Over the last few months I have spoken to a number of agencies and they have expressed to me a desire to get further involved in social housing. They want to play a bigger part in social housing because the clients that they are working with are interfacing with Housing New Zealand and other social agencies as well but the current legislation that we have is not flexible enough for them to play the kind of role that they would like to play. So I am really looking forward in a little while’s time when we vote on this bill to be able to go back to them and say: “Boy have I got a deal for you. Boy we are going to move forward. You are now going to be able to do what you want to do.” I am going to say to them that they will be able to engage with Housing New Zealand and they are going to be able to engage with the Government to be able to provide an even better service for their clients. That is why I will be supporting this bill.
Parmar Parmjeet: Third Readings —Text is incorporated into the Bound VolumeParmar Parmjeet: Third Readings —[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3684. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Dr PARMJEET PARMAR (National): Thank you for the opportunity to speak on the third reading of the Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill. The current law assumes that all social housing tenants’ needs are the same. There is no provision for a tailored response. As we have heard since this morning there are waiting lists and there are some houses sitting there vacant. This bill is designed to fix that situation—exactly to fix that situation. There is a mismatch between the needs of the families and the kinds of houses that are available. Urgency is required because there are people on waiting lists and we do care for those people who are on waiting lists. That is why we need this urgency.The aim of social housing reform is to house more families. We do care about the size of the house that we provide to these people. We do care about the location they will be put into. We cannot put a five-member family in a one-bedroom house. On the other hand another family with just two members may not want a five-bedroom house. Location does matter because people want to be close to their family members their relatives or the communities they want to be in. We need to address these needs. This Government is working hard to get the best outcomes for people in social housing and for that we need flexibility. We need this bill. I support the bill. Thank you.
Doocey Matt: Third Readings —Text is incorporated into the Bound VolumeDoocey Matt: Third Readings —[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3682. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]MATT DOOCEY (National—Waimakariri): I am rising to support the Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill in its third reading. Can I start off by acknowledging Housing New Zealand in the Canterbury region since the devastating earthquakes. It is well on track to repairing 5000 Housing New Zealand houses and rebuilding 700 Housing New Zealand houses. In my electorate alone in Waimakariri it is on track to rebuilding and repairing every house. In fact we will end up with more Housing New Zealand houses than before the earthquakes. Can I acknowledge and congratulate the very creative community organisations in my electorate that are out buying affordable housing for their customers.Could I say to those New Zealanders those 3000 extra New Zealanders who under this legislation will get housing support that the Labour Party said no the New Zealand First Party said no and the Green Party said no and tell them that this National Government said yes. And can I tell all those extra tenants who will get extra help under this legislation by wraparound services that the Labour Party said no the New Zealand First Party said no the Green Party said no and this National Government said yes. We are the workers’ party. We are working hard for the working people of New Zealand. I commend this legislation to the House.
Mallard Trevor: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMallard Trevor: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3678. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Trevor Mallard): I move That the report be adopted.
Goodhew Jo: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeGoodhew Jo: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3678. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Hon JO GOODHEW (Minister for the Community and Voluntary Sector) on behalf of theMinister for Social Housing:I move That the Committee divide the bill into theHousing Restructuring and Tenancy Matters (Social Housing Reform) BilltheTaxation (Social Housing Reform) Bill the Housing Corporation (Social Housing Reform) Amendment Bill and the KiwiSaver (HomeStart) Amendment Billpursuant to Supplementary Order Paper 78.
Mallard Trevor: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMallard Trevor: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3677. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Trevor Mallard): I understand that a member was ejected from the Chamber earlier for commenting during a vote. I did not identify the member who just commented through this vote and who was not meant to be commenting but if I had he would have been joining the other member.
Mallard Trevor: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMallard Trevor: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3677. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Trevor Mallard): I think we are in the position now where the Committee can make a decision as to whether it wants to move to a vote.
Bishop Chris: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeBishop Chris: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3677. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]CHRIS BISHOP (National): I move That the question be now put.
Naylor Jono: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeNaylor Jono: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3675. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]JONO NAYLOR (National): I move That the question be now put.
Dowie Sarah: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeDowie Sarah: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3674. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]SARAH DOWIE (National—Invercargill): I move That the question be now put.
Mallard Trevor: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMallard Trevor: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3673. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Trevor Mallard): No I made it clear last time. I am not ready yet to accept the closure motion.
Bishop Chris: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeBishop Chris: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3673. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]CHRIS BISHOP (National): I move That the question be now put.
Mallard Trevor: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMallard Trevor: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3672. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Trevor Mallard): No this bill has not been to a select committee and it is a very serious bill. Therefore I think all latitude will be taken at this stage of it.
Naylor Jono: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeNaylor Jono: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3672. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]JONO NAYLOR (National): I move That the question be now put.
Borrows Chester: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeBorrows Chester: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3668. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Chester Borrows): No. The time has come to suspend the Committee for the lunch break. The Committee will resume at 2 p.m.Sitting suspended from 1 p.m. to 2 p.m.
Smith Stuart: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeSmith Stuart: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3668. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]STUART SMITH (National—Kaikōura): I move That the question be now put.
Borrows Chester: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeBorrows Chester: Social Housing Reform (Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 21 May 2015. Volume:705;Page:3660. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Chester Borrows): The member may be seated. We had a substantial discussion at the time of the closure motion last time. I am not going to be going through that every time. The member will know that the next clauses we will be debating are very wide ranging and will cover this part and others. I am fully expecting and looking forward to members using the whole gambit of their colourful vocabularies in a seemly matter to have a lively discussion and debate on those clauses. The motion will be put and we will continue with the vote.