Court Simon; Wood MichaelSIMON COURT (ACT): Thank you Mr Chair. So I just want to come back to the question that I posed before Minister—that I asked if potentially you need to get advice from officials on—which is: will motor vehicle importers be receiving a statement on a monthly basis between the time when the standard comes into effect 1 December and when they have to pay which has been delayed by six months. So will they be receiving a statement that shows their current position—their overs and unders for example—and what their potential financial liability might be? Because I think it's all very well to come to the House and say that Look we're going to make an amendment; we're going to give importers business people"—and the people that actually rely on these vehicles because we don't import vehicles into New Zealand just so they can sit in some lot and be polished regularly and so on. They're actually being delivered at a rate of—you know up to 200000 or so vehicles a year to people who need vehicles; they need them for their business. They need them—like people movers for example—to get kids and their caregivers to school. So if we're going to be debating what seems to be a simple amendment to delay the implementation by six months I think it's really really important that we understand that people who are purchasing a vehicle that's say being purchased from an auction in Japan and imported to New Zealand and they expect to get it on a certain date they will want to know how much they're going to have to pay when that vehicle arrives here and it can be between six weeks and three months—I mean I have personally ordered a vehicle from Japan a few years ago; a fantastic Subaru Legacy that was purchased at auction at a reasonable price—Rachel Brooking: Oh not as good as the Outback.SIMON COURT: —and it was delivered to New Zealand and the member there asks me "Wasn't it a Subaru Outback?" Well I've had a number of Subarus over the year Rachel and I can say they're fantastic vehicles—Barbara Edmonds: Rachel Brooking.SIMON COURT: Yes Rachel Brooking thank you very much—and I know that you also drive a Subaru and I understand it's a turbo diesel—CHAIRPERSON (Greg O'Connor): No I don't actually Mr Court.SIMON COURT: So Mr Chair coming back to the point. So for people like myself or the Labour MP Rachel Brooking who might want to order a replacement vehicle to be purchased at auction in Japan—we would want to know not just the auction price not just the price to ship it to New Zealand or the price to achieve engineering compliance inspection warrant of fitness the on-road costs; we'd also want to know what is the carbon charge that we need to pay. So I think it's absolutely vital Minister that we understand—for vehicles that are imported to New Zealand between 1 December and when this delay comes into effect between when the dealers are liable to pay for the carbon charge associated with these imports will they know how much each vehicle is going to cost the purchaser the person like myself or Rachel Brooking MP who also drives a Subaru if we order a new one or a replacement one? Because it's not clear from the amendment that that particular issue has been resolved. There is a concern also that the industry's raised that the carbon dioxide database is in fact not complete or accurate either—which is another reason which could be behind the delay in implementation because there's disagreement between the carbon dioxide emissions factors that apply to used vehicles. For example you know is my Subaru Legacy GT model—actually that's what I would like to have you know the turbocharged model and potentially that's the one that Rachel Brooking Labour MP has: the turbocharged model. Is a new one of those is a one-year old vehicle—does it produce the same amount of carbon dioxide as say a two-year-old vehicle? And if it's a Subaru it will never ever degrade in performance over its lifetime; we know that—they're the best vehicles in the world. But look is the carbon database that the carbon dioxide accounts on complete or accurate Minister?So a couple of questions there. Will the importers get a statement and is the carbon database complete or accurate? Thank you.Hon MICHAEL WOOD (Minister of Transport): Addressing some of the questions raised by the member: the member firstly makes a point that it's important for purchasers to know what the cost of their vehicle will be; of course that's true. The Clean Car Standard does not establish the cost of any individual vehicle and if I can just explain briefly why that is.Firstly it's the importer and the distributor who will set the price. And it could well be that an importer brings in a particular vehicle—if they're a category 2 importer—that is significantly above the carbon dioxide standard and that could incur a fee but it could be that the following week they import a vehicle that is below the standard and incurs a rebate and so the importer—and then the distributor—will make their own decisions about how they price their own vehicles. The Clean Car Standard applies either a rebate or a fee—or in fact for many vehicles nothing—to individual vehicles and that applies to the importer; it doesn't apply to the purchase price. He does ask an important question and I'm happy to clarify this in case it wasn't crystal clear from previous answers—the importers will be able to have clear information between that period from 1 January to 1 June about any fees they have incurred or rebates that are owing to them. They will have established a carbon dioxide account and it'll kind of be like looking into a bank account: they'll be able to see if there's a fee that applies to individual vehicles or rebates that apply to individual vehicles. Again I do note that actually for many vehicles neither will apply—there's a significant band in the middle but they'll effectively be able to look at that and understand what their position is and therefore what they might owe or what their net rebate might be from 1 June when those come into play. The final point he raises I mean it does go to a more fundamental question in the Act rather than this part but just for the sake of clarity—he asks where do the carbon dioxide values come from that we assess vehicles against. Those are values that are held by Waka Kotahi. Primarily those values are supplied by the industry itself. In the event that a vehicle doesn't have a value that's applied to it when it comes into New Zealand the primary legislation gives Waka Kotahi the ability based on established methodologies to apply a carbon dioxide value to that vehicle."