McAnulty Kieran; Henare Peeni; Bishop Chris; Pugh MaureenHon KIERAN McANULTY (Labour): Thank you very much Madam Chair and I appreciate the invitation from the Minister to name every member—I can do that. I won't because that wouldn't be relevant—and nice try that was a good little trap you set for me there Minister but I'm not going to fall for it. I've a genuine question about the commencement here it's not going to take long. I do want the Minister to answer it because I think the Chamber deserves to know. As you know as it says clauses 5 to 7 in Schedule 1 come into force on the day that is nine months after the rest of the Act. Is nine months enough? That's what I want to know. Is nine months enough to do all the things that the Minister has said they want to do which is the justification for having these delays. They're going to get things in place they're going to tidy things up they're going to line it up—plus the amendments get things ready and they've given themselves nine months. If he can come back and say Yes nine months is enough and this is why" fair enough; good as gold. But I think it's worth considering an amendment to this a genuine one if the Minister can't come back and explain why nine months the reason being that nine months isn't long when it comes into force after Royal assent—presumably that's going to be pretty quick then the public sector is going to be off for six weeks pretty much and fair enough too the way things have been going. It's certainly going to be on a slowdown. But the point is that nine months seems like an unusual period of time and if we are to consider amending that an explanation is due to the committee. If we do amend that it would be nice to have enough time to actually get it in. I note that before the last closure the Minister said "Yes we will consider your amendment" and I said "I'll just have to go and print it" and he said "OK" then it got closed. So that was an unusual and disappointing outcome particularly when the Minister and I get on well we work together constructively—we were about to didn't get the opportunity and we have the opportunity now. So just a quick explanation please: why nine months? And is that long enough?Hon PEENI HENARE (Labour): Tēnā koe Madam Chair and thank you very much. To the nine months I see that the commencement date is nine months after the rest of this Act comes into force. The question I have for the Minister is pretty simple and I raised a little bit of it earlier. We were talking about report backs and the time that the Minister will take to enable the Ngā Hapū o Ngāti Porou Act. You'll see in the bill that it says here "use the Crown's best endeavours to promote the enactment of the Bill not later than 18 months after the commencement of this clause."So by my Mōtatau maths and I got 54 in School C. maths so please just—it's a pass but bear with me here. The 18 months plus the nine months—27 months leading into another election. My very simple question to the Minister is: does that mean that Ngā Hapū o Ngāti Porou are in limbo for 27 months with respect to their piece of legislation? As well as ngā Mana Whakahono and if I recall correctly there is three months to report back to those iwi who look towards making an attempt to be recognised as an iwi authority. So just a very simple question on the nine months plus the 18 months: is the Minister suggesting to Ngā Hapū o Ngāti Porou that they'll need to wait 27 months in order to get any progress on their particular legislation? Hon CHRIS BISHOP (Minister responsible for RMA Reform): I'm not allowed to refer to a member who's not here but he isn't. Mr McAnulty asked about clause—Camilla Belich: He's here now.Hon CHRIS BISHOP: Oh he's here. Welcome back. Hon Kieran McAnulty: You're not supposed to say I wasn't here.Hon CHRIS BISHOP: I know I know I know. I just said that but I got away with it. It's all in the spirit of good faith. In relation to clause 2 subclause (2)—sorry it's clause 1 actually. Clauses 5 to 7 are there basically to allow the 100-day fast track so to allow the Government's own fast-track legislation to be progressed which is part of our 100-day commitments. The provision is to give comfort to particularly post-settlement governance entities in the unlikely event that it takes longer. I think the member was proposing a longer window. If the member wants to put a reasonable piece of time on the table beyond nine months we would be prepared to consider that. If it would make everyone feel better about life I think it would be a reasonable and constructive way forward.Hon Kieran McAnulty: Point of order Madam Chair. Could I seek the Chair's assurance that I will have enough time to actually submit this amendment given that the last time we had an agreement with the Minister that I could submit an amendment it was then closed and that opportunity was lost.CHRIS BISHOP: Speaking to the point of order—Hon Kieran McAnulty: Not sure you're supposed to—CHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh): Hon Chris Bishop speaking to the point of order. Hon Kieran McAnulty: From the chair? Are you supposed to? Someone else could—don't know if you can.CHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh): Yes I believe he can.CHRIS BISHOP: It's fine—yes."