Simmonds PennyPENNY SIMMONDS (National—Invercargill): Thank you very much Mr Chair. I would like to return to Supplementary Order Paper 157 which is perhaps a subject dear to your and my hearts the older persons' health strategy—no offence intended of course—and Mr Chair this is a matter that I spoke on earlier today. So my questions to the Minister are around this. Given the crisis that we are seeing in our aged-care sector at the moment surely a reform process such as this and the Pae Ora (Healthy Futures) Bill would want to have included in it a provision that would prevent the sort of dislocation between the aged-care sector and the district health board (DHB) delivery as it is at the moment. At the moment we are seeing a very very big sector—36000 beds in the aged-care sector—that is at crisis point because of something that has happened in the DHB sector. So we all agree that the hard-working nurses deserved their pay increase but what it has done is create this differential of around $15000 per annum between a registered nurse in the aged-care sector and a registered nurse in the DHB sector. With the pay-equity increases that have now been settled and will come into play that differential will almost double and so we have got an aged-care sector in crisis because of what has occurred in the DHB sector. Surely a bill that is looking at healthy futures would want to hold a strategy for older people that would prevent this ever happening again.Now I understand that an older people's health strategy would be much broader than the aged-care sector but given the situation that we are currently in where 700 beds in the aged-care sector have closed in the last few months and the sector is forecasting that it may increase to around 5 percent of the beds in the aged-care sector closing the impact on the DHBs on the hospitals will be enormous if that occurs. That could be up to 1800 beds closing in the aged-care sector and those residents being placed into hospital care and the associated issues that would occur with that: the operations that would be cancelled and the procedures that would be delayed because of that sort of bed blocking that could occur. So surely a bill that is looking at healthy futures would want to have provision in there to ensure that this dislocation never occurred again and this sort of crisis in the aged-care sector never occurred again.So I would like an explanation from the Minister if there isn't an older people's healthcare strategy as has been put forward by this Supplementary Order Paper from Dr Shane Reti as to how it will be managed that we don't get something like this occurring again in the future. I appreciate that the Minister says he's aware of the situation and he has made a commitment to pay parity with the nurses but those of us that recently had a Zoom meeting with aged-care providers saw the absolutely raw emotion and concern on the faces of those providers. They can't wait weeks or months or years for a Government to go about their possibility of creating relief to this pay equity solution. They are in crisis here and now. They are closing beds and the welfare of our elderly citizens is being put at risk from this. So I'd like the Minister to give some assurances to us that somehow this bill this reformation will not allow something like this to happen again and what mechanisms will prevent that? Thank you Mr Chair.