Brooking Rachel; Doocey Matt; O'Connor GregHon RACHEL BROOKING (Labour—Dunedin): I have some comments on Subpart 2 but then I'm going to move to Subpart 3. On those last comments from the Minister I'd like to go back to something another Minister in the chair said earlier: that the point of these plans is to not be top-up like apparently the last Government's approach was according to the Minister and to go from the bottom-up. These plans are supposed to be simple for the councils to do. We heard that Internal Affairs is going to provide Excel spreadsheets to make it all very easy. So I'm wondering why it is that there needs to be either of these sets of people that the Hon Dr Deborah Russell was asking about—which you've just answered about Minister—but also why at clause 30 there needs to be the recovery of remuneration and expenses from local authorities such that the territorial authority owes a debt to the Crown". If this is just all about being bottom-up surely there is no need for clauses such as that.Now moving on to Subpart 3—and I'm not saying that my colleagues don't have further questions on Subpart 2 but I'm now on to Subpart 3. I've spent a bit of time on the purpose of this subpart. This is at clause 32 and I think some parts go against other parts of clause 32 so I'm looking for some clarity from the Minister on this.We have at clause 32 that "(a) The purpose[s] of the subpart [are] to promote the long-term benefit of consumers of water services"—that sounds quite good—and "(b) to ensure that sufficient information is … available". Then we go to clause 32(2) which talks about for innovation for improving efficiency and for providing water services "at a quality that reflects consumer demands". Again this all sounds good but the rest of this part seems to be about information. So my first question on how this purpose works is how is it that incentives are going to be provided that go beyond the provision of information which is what the subpart seems to be about? To my reading it looks like a contradiction there.But then there's some further strange drafting in this part because at clause 32(3) it says "This subpart—(a) relates only to delivering the purpose of this Act under section 3(1) and (2)(c);". So those purposes relate to the overall framework and the disclosure of information and "applies in relation to delivering water services only in circumstances where there is—(1) little or no competition … and (11) …no likelihood of that competition." So is this entire subpart only to areas that aren't going to have competition? And why are we thinking about competition for the delivery of stormwater measures?Because this all goes back to water services. Water services are defined to include of course stormwater. So I'm wondering what clause 32(3) is about and then how it also links with clause 33. So clause 32 you've got this specific subpart restricting what it relates to and then you have another clause clause 33 just over the page which says "Application of this subpart". If you've already said in the clause before that it only applies to some of it why do you need another clause to go on about the application of that subpart? So how do those two link together?Then also on Subpart 3 at clause 40A there's provision for a levy. The Finance and Expenditure Committee report says "Well this is for any Commerce Commission work that might happen." But what is that work that might be happening and how is that levy good for councils? Because the Minister in the chair yesterday asserted that this bill is going be good for councils. I'm not sure why the levy is there. I'd also remind the Minister that Duncan Webb's point about councils that are not contiguous has still not been answered.Hon MATT DOOCEY (Minister for ACC): Thank you very much Mr Chair. I'm mindful of the time-boundaries so I did want to get on my feet and just respond some questions—but potentially not all as they might have to come back at the next round of the committee of the whole House. But one question we were asked around the expenses and fees framework—I've been advised this approach is consistent with what happens in the Local Government Act in relation to other appointees made by the Minister potentially such as a Crown manager or Crown observer if there are problems with the local authority.CHAIRPERSON (Greg O'Connor): The time has come for me to report progress.House resumed."