Mallard Trevor; Little AndrewQuestion No. 9 to MinisterHon GERRY BROWNLEE (National—Ilam): I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. You ruled before that leave couldn't be sought for the tabling of an electoral expenses return on the basis that the returns are public. All that is public on the website at the moment is long lists of members' names the total expenditure used in the participation in the election by each member not the detailed returns that have been available publicly in the past. I'd ask you to perhaps consider whether or not that might mean that the return that leave has been sought for for it to be released could be sought.SPEAKER: The answer to that is that I have seen in the last 48 hours publications of—I don't know if it was a news website or some other website—the type described. If there is a problem with accessing the website for the lower-level donations then that is something which I will consider at some stage in the future. But I know that they certainly have been available and I know that some of them—because like other members I look through the news reports and the linked documents—were certainly available over the last 48 hours.Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (National—Ilam): I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. Those sorts of returns have been referenced in the House this afternoon in relation to the National Party by a question from Grant Robertson to Andrew Little. The point is that those returns are not available now. The access to them appears to have been taken down for whatever reason and I think it is unreasonable that we are left in a situation where there are allegations against us because some people have been able to access returns yet we're unable to table a return that is dealt with in exactly the same lawful manner.Hon GRANT ROBERTSON (Minister of Finance): Speaking to the point of order in this case having just had a quick look myself I think Mr Brownlee might be right that they were there and now they're not available. I suspect what you've seen as many of us have seen Mr Speaker are screenshots of what has previously been available. So I'm not sure if that changes your ruling.SPEAKER: I can't sort of tell the difference but if there are screenshots of things which were previously available and the screenshots are available now and it's got the information it is publicly available.Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (National—Ilam): I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. There are not 120 screenshots of members' returns. There are selected screenshots that have been used to illustrate some points. There is nothing illegal or wrong with the way in which people like me have accounted for my electoral expenditure. All big donations are declared through the National Party. All we are saying is we would like to be able to table one example of a Labour member's expense where the same lawful process has been used.SPEAKER: OK all right. I think I've now got to the point where I am convinced and therefore I am happy to have—I presume in this particular case it's a screenshot of an old thing from a website that Dr Smith wanted to table. Is there any objection to that old screenshot being tabled? There appears to be none.Document by leave laid on the Table of the House.Hon ANDREW LITTLE (Minister of Justice): I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I have a copy of returns and I'm not sure whether they are screenshot copies or whether they've come directly from the website but in light of the previous decision of the House I seek leave to table the election returns for Chris Bishop Andrew Falloon and Lawrence Yule.SPEAKER: Is there any objection to those being tabled? There appears to be none. They may be tabled.Documents by leave laid on the Table of the House.