Lee MelissaMELISSA LEE (National): Thank you—finally—Madam Chair. It seemed like I wasn't going to get a call but thank you for recognising me and giving me an opportunity. Right at the beginning I would like to flag the fact that I want to have a conversation about the offshore" definition in clause 4 in Part 1. But before I get to that I'd like to speak or at least react to the comment that was made earlier by Minister Megan Woods in relation to what this Government and her announcement in relation to this particular bill was. I think she actually said something along the lines of "The decision was to prevent economic shock." I was floored by that comment. I thought that when a Government makes a decision and makes an announcement on policy that wasn't even consulted with the industry or the region or that even had a Cabinet decision on such a big issue it was going to create an economic shock—that it was going to create the loss of thousands of jobs and I think someone even mentioned that the indirect job loss was going to be more than 10000 jobs. I was floored by that. She talked about wanting to be more I guess—getting away from coal-powered generation. I think I remember in a speech that I made that when we look at alternatives to coal—I'm not suggesting we stick to coal but the thing is that there needs to be a plan. I know that Maureen Pugh is a huge supporter of the region and I understand that but we need to actually grapple with the issue of security of energy in New ZealandOne of things that I actually mentioned was that in order to create one wind turbine for example—and I know the Minister actually mentioned wind as an alternative—it needs 270 tonnes of steel; 270 tonnes of steel to create one wind turbine. And to create that amount of steel needed to create one wind turbine it needs 300 tonnes of coal to make that amount of steel. You sort of wonder whether it is really an alternative that is actually very green. I remember earlier—my colleagues have actually mentioned about the process and the lack of process at the Environment Committee. Companies have actually invested millions of dollars and wanted to come to the select committee to present their case in opposing this legislation and there were literally—Maureen Pugh: 10 minutes.MELISSA LEE: 10 minutes in select committee. I would have thought that when people come from all over the country wanting to comment about a particular bill—I just wonder what the rush was by this Government in order to actually hurry up. I digress. I wanted to talk about clause 4—the definition in relation to the "onshore Taranaki region". There are a number of parts of this definition that need the examination of the committee. The Crown Minerals Act 1991 defines "offshore" as "anywhere that is the seaward side of the mean high-water mark". This seems to be a very pretty straightforward definition. However I sort of wonder—I mean I'm not much of a sea-going person. I don't really know what that "mean high-water mark" actually means. I guess you know when the National Institute of Water and Atmospheric Research has a paper titled "Guidance Notes for the Determination of Mean High Water Mark for Land Title Surveys" I guess what it actually means is "the line of medium high tide between the springs and neaps"—I have no idea what that actually means. I wonder if the Minister understands what that mean high-water mark actually means to everyone. I think one of the definitions is "the foot of the cliff"; another one is "the toe of the bank"—the "edge of vegetation". To a layperson who doesn't really know much about what that mean high-water mark actually means I would like an explanation of what the Minister actually understands to be the definition. And just to—I've got 24 seconds—for the benefit of my colleagues who actually quoted Mr Shane Jones for his support of the democratic process that this Government apparently took when the announcement was made by the Prime Minister I would like to quote the honourable member—[Member puts head in hand] How do you quote that?"