Logie JanJAN LOGIE (Green): I rise to take a call on the third reading of this incredibly important piece of legislation which I believe everyone in this House cares about really deeply. It is with great sadness that I register the Green Party's opposition to this important piece of legislation.Like the previous Labour speaker Poto Williams I was on the forecourt of Parliament today listening to the experiences of people who seemed to range in age from their 60s to their 20s I think who have experienced pain abuse rape and torture within our collective care—within the State system. We were told very clearly today that this abuse is not just historical; this is still happening now.We know too that the Government is being asked to have an independent inquiry so that we can learn the lessons and so that the people who have experienced this can feel heard and can have a sense of confidence that the solutions being proposed by Government will ensure—as they kept on telling us this is not about them; this is about their grandchildren and their mokopuna and about ensuring that this never happens again. Those people do not have that confidence. They do not feel as if they have been listened to. They have been fighting every step of the way through that service in the negotiations with the Crown to get any acknowledgment and it has not felt for so many people I have spoken to authentic. They feel as if the Government has been covering its butt rather than caring for them or for the future and the Green Party believes that that needs to change.I really want to just suggest to this House that those people's presence and the sharing of their stories and their coming with images of themselves as children and acknowledging—some of the stories that really got me were the men who talked about having been turned into violent people through the harm that was done to them. They talked about how they abused their partners and their children because they had been turned into those people by the damage done to them by the State and how they now as individuals are blamed for that—there has been no responsibility taken for our creating that situation. They are giving us a gift by being brave enough to tell those stories. They are giving this country a gift an opportunity to actually properly redress the wrongs—to listen and to learn and to make sure that we are no longer sweeping this under the carpet but can create together a system that will protect our future generations and our children now.I really think it is important in this debate in comparing the legislation that we have been given versus what could be to acknowledge that in this country the history of child protection services has been a history of colonisation—that tamariki Māori have been taken from families and severed from their whakapapa and that consequences of that have been profound for those children who were turned into violent people and for the entire whānau hapū and iwi. There has been no acknowledgment of that. Indeed when this Government came up with the process to create transformational legislation and reforms it established an expert advisory group that involved no Māori. Not just a small number but not one Māori member on an expert advisory group—Marama Fox: No experts. No experts in Māoridom.JAN LOGIE: No experts—no experts exactly—despite the fact of that history of this being used as colonisation with over 60 percent of children in care being Māori. But no their perspectives did not matter and were not valued. How can we have any confidence that this is the right answer when the actual knowledge has not been respected?The Green Party would have actually started by having any reforms being informed by a process similar to Pūao-te-ata-tū actually going back to the people and letting the people decide what needs to happen to undo the harm and protect the future. That process would have acknowledged the vital role that tikanga plays in protecting Māori children—not setting it up as an opposition to the safety of children as I still hear in the subtext of the Minister's every speech. Within our legislation we would recognise that change happens through relationships of trust.We would not be basing reforms on the idea that if we collect enough data and tick enough boxes then suddenly magically everything is going to be OK which is also at the heart of this Government's offering despite the fact that we know through institutional racism that so much of the existing information that is now going to be widely shared has a racist bias to it. We really risk putting tamariki and whānau at further risk through this legislation.We would instead work on building relationships of trust and ensure that the resources were not tied to specific budgets set ahead of time. Actually we would look and consider going back to the way it used to be done when a social worker would find out what a family needed and then go and apply for the amount of money to be able to deliver that rather than going to a manager who has set budget limits to be able to meet their performance targets which are all grounded on screwing down the amount of money that is provided in support of families. If we hear the words out of the Minister's mouth about how we are going to be supporting these families so that children are not having to be taken but they are not doing anything about changing the resource available for those families to address the poverty to make sure that there are people who are able to be there to support people in that really difficult process of change to deal with the harm that has been done to them then does anyone think there is a chance that we are going to get a different result to what we have got now? I think that if you think that then you are living on another planet.We would also set up a system that is holistic that recognises that Government plays a role within a community and that certain fundamentals sometimes called the social determinants of health—like income; good warm dry housing; being able to put down roots in a community; being able to access good space for children to grow and play—are actually also just as important and are more important in ensuring the well-being of our children. The Government's approach which is saying that this is about the individual is actually missing the point missing the context and the opportunity for us to really get on top of this abuse and create a society where all of our children are safe happy healthy and well—indeed create the conditions for love to blossom rather than being determined in a court. We would understand the intersection between domestic violence and child abuse and build that into this legislation because there is complete overlap and this legislation misses that entirely which again puts children at risk of being unnecessarily inappropriately uplifted and separated from the parents who care for them.