Williams Arena; McClay Todd; Kuriger BarbaraARENA WILLIAMS (Labour—Manurewa): Thank you Madam Chair and thank you to the Minister for his fulsome answer to that question. I think the Hon Dr Duncan Webb has some further points that are not clarified in the Minister's answer because the question is about the New Zealand Institute of Forestry's ability to assist the industry with that and whether—to my previous point about that that work has already been done by Ministry for Primary Industries. There is benefit to not only the sector but also to the participants in the forestry industry to passing on I guess that information and the learning that has already been done and exists. So I guess what we're asking is whether the Minister would consider making available that work that has already been done to assist the sector with what they propose to do—yeah.The other question that I have for the Minister is around those Crown forests. I want to understand whether in the Crown forestry licences there is this further risk opened up to the Crown who is the licensor in the scenario where some land on a certain forestry block is owned by the Crown some is licenced to a forestry provider and then to an iwi that has received that in the settlement. I think the Minister did give a brief answer to my question where he explained that contracts are contracts in this area but the issue that I'm going to is the settlement provisions which are primary legislation that this House passes where the Crown sets out its obligations in relation to a forest. So there's not only a contractual obligation here for the Crown both in a lease arrangement and an owner's arrangement with another forester but there's also the relationship between the Crown and iwi in those scenarios. The question here is: is there sufficient protection for iwi in the advice that they get on the commercial arrangements which need to play out in these forests when we know that there are ongoing commercial disputes in those forests right now between the Crown and iwi who have been settled?Hon TODD McCLAY (Minister of Forestry): In respect to that if I think about the Central North Island (CNI) as an example which is probably one of the largest settlements when it came to Crown forest licences the relationship in as far as the settlement and handing back and how those forest licences are treated was done by statute not by this. So statute set out very very clearly rights and obligations including the case of the number of rotations that people have the right of authority licence. Then ultimately if we see the way that has evolved over a period of time because from memory there would be no Crown forest licence that has formed part of the Treaty settlement since this legislation came in—I could be wrong but I imagine that's not the case. That in effect what happened before it happened afterwards hasn't changed as a result of this legislation being repealed. Ultimately I think that before this legislation was put in place in a very short period of time it was there before it entered into force and we've got to realise that it's not that long since the obligation to register came about. The CNI forests—that settlement—has shown how the sector responsibly can develop a very successful commercial relationship. There was a change of land ownership. The trees remained the same. There was a contract and whatever was in legislation has evolved further between landowners and those who had a right of renewal for another rotation of trees. Actually it becomes a commercial relationship that we didn't imagine was likely to be the case nor those who benefited from the settlement of the land going back. So in answer to the question it doesn't open the Crown to any liability that is obvious in as far as a landowner or tree owner that has received trees back makes a commercial decision as to who to get advice from in the future. If the Crown had an obligation as a result of the settlement then that doesn't change irrespective of what this legislation says.CHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger): I'm going to call Lan Pham but I'm looking for new questions now. I think the Minister's been very comprehensive in the answers that he's given to Part 1. Thank you.