9. Health Services—National Oracle Solution and DeloitteDr SHANE RETI (National—Whangarei) to the Minister of HealthHealth Services—National Oracle Solution and Deloitte9. Dr SHANE RETI (National—Whangarei) to the Minister of Health: What steps is he taking to ensure that the $90 million National Oracle Solution (NOS) IT programme is on track?Hon Dr DAVID CLARK (Minister of Health): As I advised the member in answer to written question No. 1836(2018): Responsibility for delivering the National Oracle Solution rests with New Zealand Health Partnerships Ltd. New Zealand Health Partnerships is a crown entity owned and led by DHBs with its own Board of Directors. Due to challenges faced by the programme I have sought assurance from the Ministry of Health who have commissioned an independent review of the programme which is underway."Dr Shane Reti: Can the Minister confirm that Deloitte is the company commissioned to review the Oracle programme that he says in written question No. 1836 requires "independent review"?Hon Dr DAVID CLARK: Yes and I'm sure the member is going to then want to speak about the conflicts that he identified in his breathless—SPEAKER: Order! I think the member could probably start off by at least addressing the question.Hon Dr DAVID CLARK: Mr Speaker could the member please repeat the question then?SPEAKER: Sure.Dr Shane Reti: Can the Minister confirm that Deloitte is the company commissioned to review the Oracle programme that he says in written question No. 1836 requires "independent review"?Hon Dr DAVID CLARK: As I think I said yes; and then I'm sure the member will want to go on to discuss conflicts as he did in his breathless press release this morning. I want to point out to the House before he does that the conflicts identified in his breathless press release this morning were explicitly recorded in the consulting services order signed before the review was even commenced.Dr Shane Reti: Have Deloitte or Deloitte-related entities directly or indirectly received any funding for the Oracle programme across the life of the programme?Hon Dr DAVID CLARK: I have been assured that no individual who had anything to do with Asparona's involvement in the National Oracle Solution project has any involvement in the Deloitte review. The member needs to take a deep breath.SPEAKER: Order! [Interruption] No. It's a lot easier if I get to make my own rulings rather than being assisted. I don't know if—[Interruption] It was Mr Goldsmith was it? [Interruption] Well I think Mr Goldsmith will stand withdraw and apologise.Hon Paul Goldsmith: I withdraw and apologise.SPEAKER: Dr Clark as with the earlier supplementary I would prefer it if at the beginning you addressed the question. Have another crack.Hon Dr DAVID CLARK: I refer the member to my previous answer.SPEAKER: I'm going to ask Dr Reti to ask the question again because I'm pretty sure that that didn't address it.Dr Shane Reti: Thank you Mr Speaker. Have Deloitte or Deloitte-related entities directly or indirectly received any funding for the Oracle programme across the life of the programme?Hon Dr DAVID CLARK: Yes as is obvious from the previous answer because the conflicts were declared before the review was commenced.Dr Shane Reti: When the Minister replied to written question No. 14666 that he will "update the Prime Minister of issues within my portfolio" did he update the Prime Minister and did she know that he was appointing Deloitte as the independent reviewer?Hon Dr DAVID CLARK: I reject the premise in that member's question.SPEAKER: No no—[Interruption] Order! There is no premise in the question. Ask the question again.Hon Dr DAVID CLARK: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker.SPEAKER: Well it was a very straight question Dr Clark: did the Minister update the Prime Minister about that?Hon Dr DAVID CLARK: About something that I did that I didn't do Mr Speaker?SPEAKER: I'm going to ask Dr Reti to ask the question again.Dr Shane Reti: Thank you Mr Speaker. When the Minister replied to written question No. 14666 that he will "update the Prime Minister of issues within my portfolio" did he update the Prime Minister and did she know that he was appointing Deloitte as the independent reviewer?Hon Dr DAVID CLARK: I did not appoint Deloitte as the independent reviewer.Dr Shane Reti: If it turns out that Deloitte does have a conflict of interest reviewing the Oracle programme will the Minister submit all independent reviews he has initiated to the Office of the Auditor-General for conflict of interest scrutiny?Hon Dr DAVID CLARK: The conflicts of interest perceived or actual were declared before the review was commenced."