Sabin Mike: Bail Amendment Bill — Second ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeSabin Mike: Bail Amendment Bill — Second Reading[Sitting date: 02 July 2013. Volume:691;Page:11531. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]MIKE SABIN (National—Northland):I take exception to what the member resuming her seat Lianne Dalziel has just said about more activity at the bottom of the cliff and not at the top because if there is one Government that has actually done something about the drivers of crime it is this Government. Yet the Labour Government sat for 3 years in a position to be able do something about it—Hon Member: 9 years.MIKE SABIN: —sorry 9 years. So that is three sets of 3 years. It sat for 9 years and did nothing. It did absolutely nothing. Labour is a very effective Opposition partybecause Labour members like to sit on the Opposition benches and criticise the fact that we are actually doing something—the very something that they never did themselves. That is a constant irony that we see and I think that that is something that New Zealanders have completely woken up to. They actually realise that the disingenuous words are never followed by any real actions from that party.This Government has got on and made the changes that are required at the top of the cliff but is also doing things at the bottom of the cliff. The reality is that laws are made for law-abiding citizens and there are some citizens in this country who feel that those laws do not apply to them. The criminal justice system and the corrections facilities must deal with those people.There are some very very important changes being made in this Bail Amendment Bill in its second reading. As a former police officer and certainly as a detective dealing with some of the more serious crimes—reversing the onus of proof or the burden of proof back to the offender is a very very positive move because there are so many who will reoffend knowing full well that the likelihood of consequences is insignificant and diminished.There are many who are suffering under the burden of drugs likemethamphetamine and the idea of remediating their criminal activities will simply not enter their heads. They are driven by other forces. The ability for the criminal justice system to be able to put the onus back on that offender back on that defence team to say “Well they must prove that this individual will not reoffend.” is a very positive move.We have also seen the idea that if youth aged 17 to 19 years who have been in prison—and make no mistake about it people have to do something very significant at that age to be in prison—come out of prison and they reoffend then they should be treated as adults. They should be treated as adults because clearly they are in a very troubled state and in a position where they simply do not get it.They must not be in a position where they can single out—Jacinda Ardern: They don’t get it so just moving the line helps!MIKE SABIN:I am not going to listen to what that member says because if we are talking about disingenuous chance that member knows how to sing them long and loud.Jacinda Ardern: Tell me what you mean.MIKE SABIN:There are some very good—Hon Member: Motor mouth with no evidence.MIKE SABIN: Bring it on. There is some very good—come on Mr Faafoi you are supposed to speak on this sort of stuff—work being done here with youth.The changes to the granting of bail as of right are also very positive because so often as a policeman I saw people bailed because the law said that they had to be bailed. The rights should remain with the victims and that is what this bill is about. It is about putting the rights back with the victims.