Bayly Andrew; Salesa JennyANDREW BAYLY (National—Port Waikato): Thank you. Well first of all I'd suggest to Minister: play the game not the man. I haven't had dinner. I haven't had anything to—I think the aspersion was that I was excitable because I might have had something else. I've been to the gym actually.I thought that contribution from Hon Todd McClay was very insightful given he was on the committee when this bill was being put forward and as he quite rightly stated the Supplementary Order Paper proposed by Mr McClay brings the changes back into line with Europe America and a number of other jurisdictions—and we heard that Australia's going through a review. That is why it's very pertinent right now that the Minister addresses the issues because just to say rather blandly and dismissively that a lot of other jurisdictions are moving on; it's old thinking." I think the Minister's actually out of touch particularly when Australia's reviewing these provisions.So I don't think we've actually had a proper view and I note the Minister's got some officials there. Maybe I can suggest to him he might seek some advice from them. Now he did make a rather scathing comment about this letter as if I hadn't read it. Well let me just finish what the final paragraph actually says. This is the bit before "Yours sincerely and we welcome the opportunity to meet." This is actually what it says Hon Dr David Clark: "Our concerns are particularly acute given that international investment will be the key to New Zealand's film industry recovering from the COVID-19 pandemic. Put simply the Commerce Amendment Bill is looking to make counter-productive legislative changes at the worst possible time." Now that's the end of it. So I wish the Minister actually might have read this letter because if he had he might have responded differently and he still hasn't answered my question whether in fact he has sat down with the New Zealand gaming industry—particularly in his guise as technology Minister—and actually asked them what they think of this bill. I would really like him to answer this question particularly as I've now asked it three times. The most fascinating thing is who's signed this letter. I know that before you know you've got the interactive games you've got screen production we've got the Writers Guild—gee they're a really difficult lot aren't they?—and the Australia New Zealand Screen Association. They're all people that you know obviously are huge protesters. No they're not actually. They're reasonable creative people of New Zealand. They're the type of people that we should be protecting and looking after their interests.So my second substantive question to the Minister is: given these changes that he's ramming through in this bill—and of course all Labour's going to vote for it and probably Greens—what is the commercial assessment of the lost to New Zealand industry of all these different industries the screen guild interactive games the Writers Guild and the screen association? Have any numbers been calculated—what the financial impact would be? And if he has by different production by different areas where that would be very useful to hear tonight.CHAIRPERSON (Hon Jenny Salesa): Could I just remind all members that after you give your debate please put your mask back on. Without naming any names can one of the members of the ACT Party do so. Thank you."