Henare Peeni; Willis ScottHon PEENI HENARE (Labour): Well thank you Mr Chair. I'd like to thank the Minister for that response because also as I speak to clause 43(2) in Schedule 1 this is taking a specific micro-look at some of these matters when we consider the kind of transfer and references made by my colleague the Hon Willie Jackson about our workers and that clause 43(2) says Health New Zealand must undertake a reasonable consultation process before introducing any employment policy that is reasonably likely to have a material effect on that employee." Well what we know about Te Aka Whai Ora is that actually the unique way that they were able to look after their kaimahi—their workers—in order to serve that community it is a specifically and uniquely Māori view here.We're looking for something far more detailed from the Minister with respect to his answer when it clearly says here in clause 43(2) "Health New Zealand must undertake a reasonable consultation process before introducing any employment policy that is reasonably likely to have a material effect on that employee." Well I can tell the Minister with experience—oh actually the Minister will know this—across Māori health providers of course Māori health providers do things in a specifically Māori way in particular to look after their kaimahi. Those are their employment policies that they look to employ in order to make sure that their unique Māori view—in particular with respect to Te Aka Whai Ora—is actually seen as a strength and not a weakness in the way that we employ kaimahi.So the question here is very specific about the consultation that Health New Zealand will undertake so that there is no material effect on that employee. I think that's really important so I'm going to leave that question for the Minister and hopefully get that micro kind of answer that we're looking towards as we think about employment.SCOTT WILLIS (Green): Thank you Mr Chair. My question is in relation to clause 40 in new Part 2 of Schedule 1 which is "Transfer of employees of Māori Health Authority to Health New Zealand" and it says here that "(1) This clause applies to an employee of the Māori Health Authority if before the commencement date the employee is notified in writing by the chief executive of the Māori Health Authority that—(a) this clause applies to the employee; and (b) on the commencement date the employee will become an employee of Health New Zealand." I cannot imagine the stress and worry that Te Aka Whai Ora employees are suffering at the moment. We've heard about lift and shift for Te Aka Whai Ora staff. Is the Minister going to guarantee employment security for staff and their existing conditions?When I read what's in this document I don't see something that gives me great confidence. So I'd like to hear from the Minister as to his clarification on Health New Zealand's reasonable consultation process that we've just heard there because of the material impacts that's going to have because back in December the Government passed legislation to bring back 90-day trials for all employers and the Government has already pushed many more people and communities into precarity. This is a real concern for our nation.So in new subclause (4) it says "To avoid doubt subclause (3)—(a) does not entitle an employee who was not covered by the earlier agreement to be covered by the new collective agreement; and (b) does not prevent the parties to the new collective agreement from varying or terminating the agreement in accordance with the terms of the agreement and other applicable law." I think we all deserve clarity on the employee's exposure to risk in the new arrangements. I would really like to hear from the Minister."