Martin TraceyTRACEY MARTIN (NZ First): Kia ora thank you very much for the clarification Mr Chair. I think we appreciate that and particularly from the Opposition's perspective we are setting the stage and then we definitely hope to interact with the Minister of Education more. I stand to talk about clauses 4 to 37 and 39 to 71. There are approximately 10 Supplementary Order Papers around those particular themes—those clauses that we are talking to today.First of all can I support some of the statements by my colleagues Chris Hipkins from the Labour Party and Catherine Delahunty from the Green Party. This is an opportunity. The National Education and Learning Priorities are an opportunity—there is no doubt about it. I think that the opportunity is not lost. I think that should this bill pass it is how they are developed that creates the next opportunity. Mr Hipkins said that Parliament has an opportunity here to set a vision for New Zealand education that would go longer than 5 years. And I would reiterate Mr Hipkins' question to the Minister: why 5 years? Where did 5 years come from? Because as he quite rightly pointed out the educational journey of our children is much longer than that.We certainly understand the need to have flexibility and oversight. If something is going wrong you cannot just leave a generation to suffer the consequences of that and obviously they are always transitioning through. But it would be a wonderful thing if this bill passes if the conversation afterwards around the educational learning priorities was a much wider discussion. Let us actually participate together and set a vision for education; let us say for 30 years" and have review dates set in place—markers that we all can agree on and all can participate in—and widen that conversation.Education has become an incredibly contentious issue and it is not fair on the children who are involved in it. So there is an opportunity here I believe to actually move this from the aggressive place that education has been in for some time into a place of collegiality—that is a word you hear only in education. It would be really nice to think that after this bill passes—because obviously the Government has the numbers—this will not be the end of a journey and that we will have an opportunity to participate.I want to speak to just two of the 10 Supplementary Order Papers that are currently on the Table around these particular clauses. The first one I want to pick up on is Chris Hipkins' Supplementary Order Paper 304 which is to try to align the National Education and Learning Priorities more closely to what is actually in The New Zealand Curriculum. The New Zealand Curriculum document was developed in a way that should be a blueprint for how the National Education and Learning Priorities could be developed. I would remark that inside that Supplementary Order Paper there is not the voice of business and there should be. We could say that business people are on boards of trustees and business people are parents but when they come as parents and when they come as board of trustees members they come with that hat on. There is a place for industry inside the conversation around what we need from our educational facilities for our future because all of us want—and we do not agree with the fit for purpose comments that were made last night by a member of the Government—our young people to be able to participate and feel involved and contributing to our society. That may not be in paid employment. There is a variety of skills that our country needs and some of it does not get paid for. But we want all of our young people all of our community to feel that they are valued and have a place and can contribute.In the list under the amendment to insert new subsection (4A) into new section 1A suggested in Supplementary Order Paper 304 I would just suggest that there is a gap there around industry's voice to do with workforce planning and what is happening inside the world really. The requirement of the skills the vocational skills—the Minister quite rightly pointed out the vocational pathways that have been developed over the last few years. That has changed the New Zealand education system for the better. There is an opportunity now certainly to continue to evolve with the holistic education that tomorrow's schools and the New Zealand education system should pride itself on using the vocational pathways and the vocational skills to predict what the skills are—not the job requirements; the skills—for young people in New Zealand. We can develop those.I also want to just touch on my Supplementary Order Paper 292. It is putting in a requirement—it would amend clause 4 with new section 1A(4)—that the Minister would need to "undertake a full and transparent nationwide consultation with the public of New Zealand". So I suppose I am just going one step further with regard to the consultation and the development of the National Education and Learning Priorities to let us make it a countrywide conversation.I also do not believe that just academics and those inside the sector have all the answers. We are somehow cocooned often inside this House and we look at things from an academic or a theoretical perspective and I think that is one of the problems when we create legislation based only upon the advice of officials. They stay in a certain place they are at. One of the ways that officials describe things is that this is "high-level thinking". We must know how that will translate down on the ground. So there are members of our society who should have a voice inside this vision for our country and that is the purpose of Supplementary Order Paper 292. So it would be interesting to hear from the Minister: why the 5 years? Is there an opportunity does she see an opportunity to expand the consultation to not only those whom she or he deems—and remember we are setting up rules in this legislation for whoever is the Minister of Education.This is definitely not personalised to the current Minister of Education. This is an opportunity and any restrictions or rules or barriers or boundaries or parameters that we put in place will have to be followed by anybody who comes after the current Minister of Education whether it be with a National-led Government a New Zealand First - led Government or a Labour-led Government. We know what we are doing but we have an opportunity for real collegiality here so it would be interesting Minister—why 5 years? What is the Minister's view on Supplementary Order Paper 292 and Supplementary Order Paper 304 at this stage? We know where the Opposition stands on these things but it would it be interesting to get the Government's perspective on those two alone at this stage. Kia ora."