SpeechSIMON O'CONNOR (National—Tāmaki): Thank you Madam Chair. Look a very quick contribution. One is to ask the Minister's reconsideration around the proximity argument around vaping stores. I do appreciate the distinction that she's making but what I think unites it all is what I would term as ubiquity" and Dr Reti and others have well talked about it and she knows—the Minister that is—herself just the sheer ubiquity of these stores now. I think in my own electorate in Tāmaki of the number of little dairies which are dividing off spaces to basically turn them into vaping stores—it is ubiquitous.The reason why I think we need to support Supplementary Order Paper 315 in particular is that we cannot simply rely on the advice coming out of the Ministry of Health—and that's no disrespect to the individual advisers but I personally feel we need to have it quite explicitly written into legislation. The reason I say that Minister is I was chair of the Health Committee when vaping was coming on board. There was a great push at the time that this was going to be the replacement for cigarettes and nicotine in particular and a number of us on that committee myself included were saying "Well what is the evidence around the use of vaping? What is the harm here as laymen or laypeople?" There was a concern that this was going to become ubiquitous this was going to become the new fad and we were told there's no evidence. Now at one level that's true because it was new but at another sign—and again it's hard for me to phrase this without trying to throw aspersions at the ministry that does a good job but in effect they said "No this should be OK."Well it's demonstrably not OK—it's demonstrably not OK. This has become the "cool thing" for want of a pretty old phrase for young people to use it everywhere. Parents in my electorate are almost literally pulling their hair out. There was a public meeting recently where hundreds of parents turned up to hear about the harms of vaping from the experts but obviously reflecting what they're seeing in their children.I think the reason we need to support the likes of Supplementary Order Papers 315 and 312 is that some of the suggestions at the moment to put detectors into schools and so forth are just not going to work. As principals and parents have pointed out to me as soon as the alarm goes off the vapes are hidden in a whole range of places. It's just not helpful. We need to be getting in first and foremost on that educative front. Secondly we need to address it by reducing that—I'm sorry to keep using the word Minister but I think it's critical to the argument and the question I'm trying to put to you: it is just so ubiquitous we have to pull it back and a part of that is I think the ministry accepting I would suggest and others myself included—actually not myself included I think for others who said "This will be fine. This is just a great anti-tobacco smoking product; all else will be fine." Well it's turned out to be demonstrably the opposite and particularly parents in my electorate what I'm hearing and I'm sure all MPs they're crying out for some assistance.So if proximity is based on schools or proximity's based on just how frequent businesses around—I don't in some ways particularly care; we have to pull this back. So the two questions—well actually the last observation is ultimately you can take nicotine out. Well some will make the argument that there's no nicotine in vapes. Well that's true until you get some liquid nicotine and just mix it in. That's pretty simple and easy to do. So we've got wider wider problems here which then feed back into our smoke-free approach.I suppose that the fundamental question is: can she see with the erroneous advice if you will given to us—granted five six years ago—there is a need to move into very strict primary legislation for what the ministry must do so that there's no wiggle room or mistakes. And secondly and I think I do know the answer: does she appreciate the urgency by which we need to address this growing—I don't want to use the word "pandemic"; we've used it far too much but you know there is an urgency here. It's only my opinion Minister but the window's closing for us to be able to nip this in the bud which is probably a very bad cannabis pun or something I don't know."