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Tisch Lindsay: Public Records Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
Tisch Lindsay: Public Records Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:625;Page:20002] 
LINDSAY TISCH (National—Piako) 
: 
 There is only one issue in this bill that National has contention with and I have articulated it very very clearly. That is the issue of State-owned enterprises being included in the scope of the bill. We have no problem with Archives New Zealand. I am very impressed with what I saw during our visit there. I echo the views and the comments by the Minister about the role that Archives New Zealand plays. However when it comes to looking at including State-owned enterprises in the scope of the bill that is the difficulty we have. There is a direct conflict between the State-Owned Enterprises Act and the archives bill. 
 Let me state clearly again that section 4 of the State-Owned Enterprises Act states: “(1) The principal objective of every State enterprise shall be to operate as a successful business and to this end to be—(a) As profitable and efficient as comparable businesses that are not owned by the Crown;”. That is the key. We are now going to require extra burdens and accountabilities that are already covered in the list of requirements that State-owned enterprises have to go through before the scrutiny of this House anyway. This is an extra component and an extra compliance cost that is not necessary. Holding State-owned enterprises to the same degree of obligation as central government agencies confuses the identity of State-owned enterprises and their role in the public and private spheres. 
The commentary states that the policy underlining the bill is concerned with Government accountability the enhancement of democratic participation in government and the preservation of important public archives that contribute to New Zealand’s national identity. That is great. I have no difficulty with that at all. We support that. This being the case it is areas of Government influence only for which recording and archiving obligations should be necessary. That is the difference between our position and the Government’s position on this legislation. Given those few points National unfortunately cannot support the inclusion of State-owned enterprises in this bill.
Vote: Families Commission Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Procedure 
Vote: Families Commission Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:614;Page:10286] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the motion be agreed to. 
Ayes 62 
New Zealand Labour 52; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 58 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; ACT New Zealand 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Motion agreed to.
Prebble Richard: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members Questions to Ministers 
Prebble Richard: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:615;Page:11516] 
Hon RICHARD PREBBLE (Leader—ACT) 
: 
 I am afraid that will not do. If the member is prepared to give an assurance to the House that he is not seeking to make a reflection on the judiciary then I have no objection but his failure to do so does I think raise a real suspicion in our minds and we do have a duty in this House to uphold the rule of law.
Baldock Larry: Resource Management and Electricity Legislation Amendment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Baldock Larry: Resource Management and Electricity Legislation Amendment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:627;Page:22323] 
LARRY BALDOCK (United Future) 
: 
 I will make a few comments on Part 2 which deals with the amendments to the electricity legislation. It has been amazing to hear some of the claims about this very small part of the legislation. I have had people in my office who have told me that this is the Government’s sneaky way of making provision for Transpower to do its work all through the Waikato and so on. 
There is a very simple amendment to allow for transmission lines which are above the currently allowed-for capacity to go over roads—not to go through farms and everywhere else but to go across roads. We had representation from our advisers to the Local Government and Environment Committee. They were with us very briefly because there was so little to discuss about the legislation. We did make some changes because some things came up in submissions that made it clear that not everything had been thought about and they have now been resolved adequately I believe. 
United Future is happy to support this part because it simply means we will have fewer difficulties later on. If consent is given for transmission power lines to go wherever when they come to roads they will now not have to go through a whole lot of unnecessary processes just to get across the carriageway of the road. So United Future is very happy with the amendment and we will support it.
Simich Clem: Fiordland (Te Moana o Atawhenua) Marine  Management Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Simich Clem: Fiordland (Te Moana o Atawhenua) Marine  Management Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:625;Page:19866] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich) 
: This debate includes debate on schedules 1 to 12.
Hartley Ann: Supreme Court Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Hartley Ann: Supreme Court Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:612;Page:9003] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: I am sorry to interrupt the member but the time has come for the dinner break. 
Sitting suspended from 6 p.m. to 7.30 p.m.
Ryall Tony: Copyright (Parallel Importation of Films and Onus of Proof) Amendment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Third Reading 
Ryall Tony: Copyright (Parallel Importation of Films and Onus of Proof) Amendment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:612;Page:9402] 
Hon TONY RYALL (National—Bay of Plenty) 
: 
 I would like to pick up on a point made by the United Future party which together with the Greens and the Progressives will be supporting the left-wing Labour Party on this bill. I draw to the attention of members in the Chamber that I think the United Future members are in danger of making the same mistake they did with the Care of Children Bill. Members will recall that when the Care of Children Bill was tabled Judy Turner Paul Adams and Marc Alexander came out and said they supported it. Then they found out that there would be lesbian fathers and abortions for 10-year-olds without the parents being advised. They changed their minds and they are now against that bill. I think they need to listen to the debate on this bill instead of just following the notes the Government gave them. It was clear in relation to the Care of Children Bill which United Future members are on record as supporting that they did not know what was in it and I do not think they know what is in this bill.
Hobbs Marian: Fiordland Marine Management Bill — First Reading 
Hobbs Marian: Fiordland Marine Management Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:622;Page:18130] 
Hon MARIAN HOBBS (Minister for the Environment) 
: 
 I move  
That the Fiordland Marine Management Bill be referred to the Fisheries and Other Sea-related Legislation Committee for consideration 
referred to Fisheries and Other Sea-related Legislation Committee 
 that the committee report the bill finally to the House by 4 April 2005 and that the committee have the authority to meet at any time during a sitting of the House except during questions for oral answer during an evening on a day on which there has been a sitting of the House and on a Friday in a week in which there has been a sitting of the House despite Standing Orders 191 and 194(1)(b) and (c). 
Motion agreed to.
Barker Rick: Terrorism Suppression Amendment Bill (No 2) — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Barker Rick: Terrorism Suppression Amendment Bill (No 2) — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:626;Page:21631] 
Hon RICK BARKER (Associate Minister of Justice) 
: I move  
That it be an instruction to the Committee of the whole House on the Terrorism Suppression Amendment Bill (No 2) that it take the bill part by part 
. 
Motion agreed to.
Vote: Credit Contracts and Consumer Finance Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Credit Contracts and Consumer Finance Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:611;Page:8716] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 2 as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 82 
Labour 52; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8. 
Noes 35 
New Zealand National 27; ACT New Zealand 8. 
Part 2 as amended agreed to.
Key John: Employment Relations Law Reform Bill — In Committee 
Key John: Employment Relations Law Reform Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:620;Page:16143] 
JOHN KEY (National—Helensville) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I wonder whether I could follow on from Mr Tanczos and make the point that when I arrived I think Mr Mapp was speaking. He went through a number of calls and he has just spoken again. Although I respect the fact that he was on the Transport and Industrial Relations Committee and is pretty knowledgable in these areas I too have been seeking the call the whole way through. I wonder whether you would possibly reconsider that. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich) 
: I am aware of all those things.
Business of Select Committees — Membership Meetings 
Business of Select Committees — Membership Meetings 
[Volume:613;Page:9919] 
Business of Select Committees 
Membership 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I seek leave for Brent Catchpole to be a member of the Government Administration Committee for the purposes of its consideration of the Architects Bill but without the right to vote on any question before the committee. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Is there any objection to that course being followed? There appears to be none 
Meetings 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I seek leave for the Primary Production Committee to meet after 6 p.m. on Wednesday 12 November 2003 notwithstanding Standing Order 196(1)(c) for further consideration of its inquiry into the administration and management of the scampi industry. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Is there any objection to that course being followed? There appears to be none.
Cunliffe David: Injury Prevention Rehabilitation and Compensation Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Cunliffe David: Injury Prevention Rehabilitation and Compensation Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:607;Page:5056] 
DAVID CUNLIFFE (NZ Labour—New Lynn) 
: 
 It is indeed a pleasure to follow the member Larry Baldock. He is erudite intelligent and honourable—and in this case he is wrong. 
Bernie Ogilvy 
: Is that ever said about you? 
DAVID CUNLIFFE 
: It is often said about me. Mr Baldock has made an important point. He has asked why all the money that has been raised from transport sources is not spent on transport uses and he has suggested that as a first step that should be done. The point is that if that money were diverted into transport uses taxation would have to be raised from other sources. I am afraid that even in a United Future world there is no such thing as a free lunch. 
Someone asked me on the street what I did for a living and when I told that person I was a politician he scratched his head and asked what I made. I scratched my head and thought about it for a while and then it finally dawned on me—on this pre-Easter occasion—what it is that we make around Parliament: law. It is a pleasure to be able to support this bill because it will make an excellent law. It is fair. It puts the cost where the risk is highest and reduces the cost where the risk is low. It provides for sustainable funding for accident compensation and it ensures that people will be able to be rehabilitated and to go forward.
Hartley Ann: Supreme Court Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Hartley Ann: Supreme Court Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:612;Page:9001] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: Please be seated. The member knows that that is a debating matter. 
Gerry Brownlee 
: Point of order—
Vote: Te Runanga o Ngati Awa Bill — Second Reading 
Vote: Te Runanga o Ngati Awa Bill — Second Reading 
[Volume:623;Page:18504] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That Te Runanga o Ngati Awa Bill be now read a second time. 
Ayes 111 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2; Maori Party 1. 
Noes 5 
ACT New Zealand 5. 
Bill read a second time.
Vote: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Procedure Referral to Health Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled  Speaker Recalled In Committee Procedure 
Vote: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Procedure Referral to Health Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled  Speaker Recalled In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:613;Page:10011] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 3 as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 65 
New Zealand Labour 52; New Zealand National 3; New Zealand First 1; Green Party 9. 
Noes 52 
New Zealand National 24; New Zealand First 12; ACT New Zealand 7; United Future 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Part 3 as amended agreed to. 
House resumed.
Robertson H V Ross: Animal Welfare (Restriction on Docking of Dogs' Tails) Bill — Procedure First Reading 
Robertson H V Ross: Animal Welfare (Restriction on Docking of Dogs' Tails) Bill — Procedure First Reading 
[Volume:621;Page:16370] 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I just advise honourable members that New Zealand First and National have traded places in this debate as they are able to do but not times. So the Rt Hon Winston Peters has 5 minutes.
Hughes Darren: Business of the House 
Hughes Darren: Business of the House 
[Volume:625;Page:20468] 
DARREN HUGHES (Junior Whip—Labour) 
: 
 Do you want to talk to us about it—talk first? 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Clem Simich) 
: Yes I think that that would be a wise course of action. In the case of leave it needs to be sorted out beforehand please.
Wilson Margaret: Visitors — Australia—Australian Senate Legal and Constitutional Legislation  and References Committee 
Wilson Margaret: Visitors — Australia—Australian Senate Legal and Constitutional Legislation  and References Committee 
[Volume:625;Page:20145] 
Madam SPEAKER 
: I have much pleasure in informing the House that members of the Australian Senate Legal and Constitutional Legislation and References Committee are present in the gallery. I am sure members would wish that the delegation be welcomed.
Hughes Darren: Identity (Citizenship and Travel Documents) Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Hughes Darren: Identity (Citizenship and Travel Documents) Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:625;Page:20115] 
DARREN HUGHES (Junior Whip—Labour) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Burton Mark: Subordinate Legislation (Confirmation and Validation) Bill (No 3) — First Reading 
Burton Mark: Subordinate Legislation (Confirmation and Validation) Bill (No 3) — First Reading 
[Volume:620;Page:15984] 
Hon MARK BURTON (Acting Leader of the House) 
: 
 I move  
That the Subordinate Legislation (Confirmation and Validation) Bill (No 3) be now read a first time. 
 This is routinely an annual bill to confirm and validate a range of regulations introduced in spring and passed by December. This year the bill provides for Parliament to confirm and validate 14 Orders in Council made under some nine Acts. It is customary that such bills are referred to the Regulations Review Committee and I shall again propose this course at the conclusion of the first reading. 
 Before the introduction of the bill Dr Cullen wrote to all parties in the House seeking their support and cooperation in moving the bill through its various stages. The responses were largely positive although one party did express misgivings relating to one of the 14 orders and I will return to that briefly following the description of the other 13. Four of the 14 orders deal with commodity levies which are voted upon themselves by growers of tamarillos meat wool and wine grapes. The levies serve to finance industry-good activities and are payable to industry organisations. Four of the orders apply movements in consumer price indices to the rates of social security pensions and war pensions and to the excise and duties on alcohol and tobacco products. Three of the orders apply biosecurity levies which contribute to the costs of dealing with American foul brood disease and bovine tuberculosis. One order recovers costs of product verification through animal product levies and another imposes levies relating to problem gambling. 
Finally one order extended by 1 year to 31 December 2004 the legal status of four codes of animal welfare. The codes cover circus animals pigs exhibit animals and layer hens. It is that order that is the subject of some misgivings on the part of the Green Party. The order will expire on 31 December this year whether confirmed through this bill or not. Although the confirmation of the order is not strictly necessary it was thought to be a matter of good faith to the House to propose that it be confirmed in the bill. This course acknowledges that the House earlier in this Parliament in passing amendments to the Animal Welfare Act in 2002 provided for the codes to be extended by Order in Council for a maximum period of 2 years subject to a confirming mechanism. 
So I wish Richard Worth and members of the Regulations Review Committee well in their consideration of the bill. The committee is asked to consider a further item of subordinate legislation made since the bill was finalised for introduction. That item is the Deer Industry New Zealand Regulations 2004. Those regulations were made on 20 September under the Primary Products Marketing Act. They lapse unless confirmed by the end of this Parliament. I trust that the committee will agree to adopt an amendment serving to confirm the regulations.
Hartley Ann: Taxation (Annual Rates GST Trans-Tasman Imputation and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Hartley Ann: Taxation (Annual Rates GST Trans-Tasman Imputation and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:613;Page:10092] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: I need to rule that the amendment put forward by Rod Donald is out of order. 
Clause 2 agreed to.
Choudhary Ashraf: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Choudhary Ashraf: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:611;Page:8110] 
4.  
Dr ASHRAF CHOUDHARY (NZ Labour) 
 to the  
Associate Minister of Education (Tertiary Education) 
: What progress has the Government made in expanding programmes that support learning in the workplace? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY (Associate Minister of Education (Tertiary Education)) 
: 
 Today I have announced that 63 new schools will join the Gateway programme next year enabling their senior students to participate in structured workplace learning. That doubles the number of Gateway schools to 60 percent of all decile 1 to decile 5 secondary schools meaning that we are well on the way to having all decile 1 to decile 5 schools involved. The new schools stretch from Taipa Area School in the far north to Menzies College in the deep south and they include Rangitikei College in the member’s own area. 
Dr Ashraf Choudhary 
: How are the programmes supporting learning in the workplace progressing? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY 
: I can also report strong growth in Modern Apprenticeships and industry training. The latest industry training statistics show a 10 percent increase in trainees from 30 June 2002 to 30 June 2003. That is in line with our aim to have 150000 industry trainees in 2005 and a quarter of a million by 2007. We also now have 5739 modern apprentices as at 30 June which is a 76 percent increase from 3254 as at 30 June last year. We are ahead of schedule to reach 6000 Modern Apprenticeships by the end of the year and we are well on track to meet our targets. 
Opposition Members 
: Oh come on! 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY 
: The Opposition does not like good news. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: That answer was too long. 
Simon Power 
: Does the Minister—who was described by  
Metro 
 magazine as a “bullying social engineer”—have any concerns that tertiary education providers which are already sporting an increasingly “faint waistline” after 3 years of frozen fees may be further constrained from providing programmes of blameless excellence for those engaged in workplace learning by the announcement last week that they will be able to increase their fees by only 5 percent next year; if not why not? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY 
: The answer to that long question is no.
Cunliffe David: Land Transport Management Bill — Third Reading 
Cunliffe David: Land Transport Management Bill — Third Reading 
[Volume:613;Page:9810] 
Hon DAVID CUNLIFFE (Minister of State) 
: 
 My constituents in New Lynn are hungry to see the twin tracking of the western line to west Auckland. They are pleased with the progress the Government is making on this bill which provides as my colleague Larry Baldock has said the tool-box into which we will insert this and other measures. I am pleased to support the bill.
Urgent Debates Declined — Associate Minister of Education—Allegations 
Urgent Debates Declined — Associate Minister of Education—Allegations 
[Volume:625;Page:20589] 
Urgent Debates Declined 
Associate Minister of Education—Allegations 
Madam SPEAKER 
: I have received a letter from Rodney Hide seeking to debate under Standing Order 373 the announcement that the Associate Minister of Education is to stand aside from his portfolios while an investigation is conducted into allegations against him. The standing aside is a particular case of recent occurrence involving ministerial responsibility. 
On 4 May 2004 the Speaker gave a ruling relating to the dismissal of a Minister from the Government in which he gave the results of his research into ministerial resignations and dismissal and their treatment in urgent debate terms. During the period 1990-99 three applications to debate dismissals or resignations were accepted and three were declined. In the period since 1999 four applications have been accepted and three have been declined. Clearly as the Speaker said not every ministerial resignation let alone merely stepping aside will justify an urgent debate. 
In this case the Minister has stood aside while an inquiry is held into allegations that do not relate to official actions taken by the Minister. The matter is obviously not concluded. When an inquiry reports members have an opportunity to raise the conclusions of that inquiry if this is warranted. Until that point as the matter still has a way to run I do not consider that it requires the immediate attention of the House by way of an urgent debate today. That does not preclude an urgent debate in the future depending upon the outcome of events. I therefore dismiss the application.
Smith Lockwood: Motions — Bali Bombing—Second Anniversary 
Smith Lockwood: Motions — Bali Bombing—Second Anniversary 
[Volume:620;Page:15997] 
Dr the Hon LOCKWOOD SMITH (National—Rodney) 
: 
 The National Party strongly supports this resolution. Our thoughts today go out to the families and friends of the 202 innocent people whose lives were so horrifically ended in Bali just 2 years ago. To the families and friends of the three New Zealanders who were murdered there we pass on our most sincere condolences. We also send our sympathies to Prime Minister John Howard and the people of Australia who lost so many friends family and loved ones. New Zealand stands with you on this day of commemoration.
Simich Clem: Prisoners' and Victims' Claims Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Simich Clem: Prisoners' and Victims' Claims Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:626;Page:20941] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich) 
: Part 1 is on general provisions and I get the feeling that members would like to get on to the nitty-gritty of the bill in part 2. I will call one member who wants a call and has not had one yet.
Baldock Larry: Biosecurity Amendment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
Baldock Larry: Biosecurity Amendment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:609;Page:7052] 
LARRY BALDOCK (United Future) 
: I rise to take a very brief call but after listening to the last two speakers who said that they were struggling with the title it suddenly came to me what we should have. They did not offer us an alternative but it suddenly came to me in a flash that the correct title for this bill should be the “Thank God for United Future Who Have Given Support This Week for Urgency so This Biosecurity Amendment Bill Could Go Through Bill”. That could be a useful amendment and I hope we will move on to other more substantive parts of the bill very soon.
Vote: Third Readings 
Vote: Third Readings 
[Volume:612;Page:9141] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Hazardous Substances and New Organisms Amendment Bill be now read a third time. 
Ayes 92 
New Zealand Labour 52; New Zealand National 27; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 8. 
Noes 24 
New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; Progressive 2. 
Bill read a third time.
Goff Phil: Counter-Terrorism Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Goff Phil: Counter-Terrorism Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:612;Page:9337] 
Hon PHIL GOFF (Minister of Foreign Affairs and Trade) 
: 
 I move  
That it be an instruction to the Committee of the whole House on the Counter-Terrorism Bill that it take the bill part by part and consider any schedules as one question. 
Motion agreed to.
Robertson H V Ross: Parental Leave and Employment Protection Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Robertson H V Ross: Parental Leave and Employment Protection Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:621;Page:16481] 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: As I have mentioned previously the honourable Bill Gudgeon’s amendments to clauses 8 9 11 and 12 which were set out on Supplementary Order Paper 274 and the new clause 7A proposed by the honourable member Peter Brown were out of order as they were outside the scope of the bill. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Ruth Dyson to the amendment to clause 7A set out on Supplementary Order Paper 279 be agreed to: 
to omit subsection (4) from new section 2AB.
Vote: Resource Management (Aquaculture Moratorium Extension) Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Vote: Resource Management (Aquaculture Moratorium Extension) Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:616;Page:11670] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 71 
New Zealand Labour 52; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 49 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Motion agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Phil Heatley to clause 1 be agreed to: 
to omit the words “Resource Management (Aquaculture Moratorium Extension) Amendment Act” and substitute the words “Resource Management (Aquaculture Moratorium Further Extension) Amendment Act”.
Vote: Gambling Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Vote: Gambling Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:611;Page:8517] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the schedules as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 62 
Labour 52; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 55 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 6; Green Party 9. 
Schedules as amended agreed to. 
Bill reported with amendment.
Vote: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Procedure Referral to Health Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled  Speaker Recalled In Committee Procedure 
Vote: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Procedure Referral to Health Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled  Speaker Recalled In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:613;Page:10008] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 65 
New Zealand Labour 52; New Zealand National 3; New Zealand First 1; Green Party 9. 
Noes 52 
New Zealand National 24; New Zealand First 12; United Future 8; ACT New Zealand 7; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Amendment agreed to. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: The amendment in the name of Pita Paraone to clause 8A is ruled out of order because Ms Chadwick’s amendments have been agreed to.
Simich Clem: Voting — Correction 
Simich Clem: Voting — Correction 
[Volume:607;Page:4604] 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Clem Simich) 
: Before I take the next speaker I want to refer to a matter here. It is a correction to the vote and I have to report to the House that in the Committee stage of this bill on the question of the closure for Part 1 quite some time ago the result was announced as Ayes 60 Noes 47. It should have been Ayes 60 Noes 57.
[Volume:614;Page:10353] 
When the question was returned to Mr Brownlee it was indicated that there were alternative ways of seeking the information sought. I suggest that the member explore those further—I obviously cannot redraft his question on the floor of the House—and I am sure that a satisfactory question can be crafted.
Vote: Fisheries Amendment Bill (No 2) — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Vote: Fisheries Amendment Bill (No 2) — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:616;Page:11693] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 36 
New Zealand National 27; ACT New Zealand 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Noes 84 
New Zealand Labour 52; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to and Part 1 agreed to.
Hide Rodney: Employment Relations (Flexible Working Hours) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Hide Rodney: Employment Relations (Flexible Working Hours) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:624;Page:19717] 
RODNEY HIDE (Leader—ACT) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I am sorry to disabuse Mr Gosche but Ms Kedgley is seeking leave for additional time to speak to bring members up to speed given the extraordinary nature of this debate. If leave is granted then that extra time is not deducted off her final speech and in no way does it suggest that the debate would be shut down. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I would like to caution members about points of order. Standing Order 84(3) indicates that there is to be no comment at all during points of order. Now the House has allowed that in order that the person who takes the point of order can do so but in doing so that person must realise that he or she must not bring into the point of order any conjecture that will lead to disorder. So can we please have silence during points of order.
Points of Order — Apology—Withdrawal of Comment 
Points of Order — Apology—Withdrawal of Comment 
[Volume:623;Page:18311] 
Points of Order 
Apology—Withdrawal of Comment 
Hon DAVID CARTER (National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I have just become aware of a discussion that occurred at half-past 7 whereby a remark I made prior to the dinner break offended Nandor Tanczos. On that basis I wish to withdraw and apologise if that remark caused offence.
Mackey Moana: Health Practitioners Competence Assurance Bill Health and Disability Commissioner Amendment Bill Medicines Amendment Bill — Third Readings 
Mackey Moana: Health Practitioners Competence Assurance Bill Health and Disability Commissioner Amendment Bill Medicines Amendment Bill — Third Readings 
[Volume:611;Page:8634] 
MOANA MACKEY (NZ Labour) 
: 
 I rise to pay tribute to my colleagues Annette King the Minister of Health and Steve Chadwick the chair of the Health Committee for all the work they have done on these bills and for all the consultation that they have undertaken with the relevant parties to ensure that this legislation is robust and acts in the best interests of the people of New Zealand who are the consumers in this industry. These bills clearly do that. I support the third reading of these bills.
Hunt Jonathan: Points of Order — Replies to Written Questions—Electronic Format 
Hunt Jonathan: Points of Order — Replies to Written Questions—Electronic Format 
[Volume:617;Page:13233] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I will look at that issue. It is quite a complex one and I will come back to the member.
Donald Rod: Points of Order — Assistant Speaker Simich—Ruling Questioned by Member Ahmed Zaoui—Birthday 
Donald Rod: Points of Order — Assistant Speaker Simich—Ruling Questioned by Member Ahmed Zaoui—Birthday 
[Volume:622;Page:17422] 
ROD DONALD (Co-Leader—Green) 
: 
 I seek leave to move a non-debatable non-controversial motion that this House extend its best wishes to Ahmed Zaoui on his 44th birthday.
Heatley Phil: Gisborne District Council (Alfred Cox Park)  Validation Bill — First Reading 
Heatley Phil: Gisborne District Council (Alfred Cox Park)  Validation Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:627;Page:22072] 
PHIL HEATLEY (National—Whangarei) 
: 
 I also seek leave to make a speech as one of the National members of Parliament who have been out door-knocking in the Gisborne area with Anne Tolley who has told me all about this bill. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Three members wish to speak. I will put the seeking of leave for all three at once. Is there any objection to that course of action being taken? There is. I call on the honourable member Janet Mackey in reply.
Copeland Gordon: Civil Union Bill — Procedure Third Reading 
Copeland Gordon: Civil Union Bill — Procedure Third Reading 
[Volume:622;Page:17639] 
GORDON COPELAND (United Future) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. During the second reading of the bill you permitted people to split their normal 10-minute slot into two 5-minute slots. Would you be prepared to adopt the same procedure during this debate as well?
Brash Don: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Brash Don: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:609;Page:6205] 
6.  
Dr DON BRASH (NZ National) 
 to the  
Minister of Finance 
: Does he agree with the Reserve Bank’s judgment that the New Zealand economy may contract this quarter? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Minister of Finance) 
: 
 Yes these days I find myself increasingly in agreement with the Reserve Bank’s judgments even when I do not like them. 
Dr Don Brash 
: Does the Minister acknowledge that a comparison between Australian Treasury forecasts on the one hand and forecasts by the New Zealand Reserve Bank and the New Zealand Treasury on the other hand suggests that the gap between New Zealand and Australian living standards will widen over the next 3 years; if so when does he expect the New Zealand public to see evidence that the current gap of some $200 per week between the average New Zealand weekly income and that in Australia is beginning to narrow? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN 
: Firstly at market exchange rates that gap has narrowed substantially over the last year but widened out slightly again over the last few months. The member will also be noting that the Australians keep winding back their forward forecast very substantially even over recent days. 
Clayton Cosgrove 
: What is driving the bank’s assessment that the economy may contract and how long does it think such a contraction would last? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN 
: The bank expects that if there is a contraction it will be temporary due to timing issues all being concentrated in the June quarter—specifically the negative effects of the drought power price rises and severe acute respiratory syndrome. Both the bank and Treasury are forecasting a solid rebound in the later part of this year and also into 2004-05. 
Dr Don Brash 
: Is the Minister aware that Treasury’s latest Budget forecasts show that average gross domestic product (GDP) per capita growth both over the 5-year forecast period and the 10-year projection period will be lower than average GDP per capita growth during the last decade; if so does that not suggest that his Government has totally failed to lift New Zealand’s average GDP per capita growth rate? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN 
: Despite the fact that over the last couple of years we have been going through the longest bear market since the 1930s New Zealand has maintained higher growth than most other OECD countries. The 1990s were the longest bull market in modern history. 
Dr Don Brash 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I do not believe that the Minister answered the question at all. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I do. I think the Minister addressed the question.
Benson-Pope David: Injury Prevention Rehabilitation and Compensation Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume 
Benson-Pope David: Injury Prevention Rehabilitation and Compensation Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
[Sitting date: 19 June 2003. Volume:609;Page:6447. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
DAVID BENSON-POPE (NZ Labour—Dunedin South) 
: 
 This is a good start. I am delighted to rise in support of this legislation.
Brownlee Gerry: Ngati Awa Claims Settlement Bill — In Committee 
Brownlee Gerry: Ngati Awa Claims Settlement Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:623;Page:18656] 
GERRY BROWNLEE (Deputy Leader—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I refer now to the matter of the amendment in the name of Mr Pita Paraone. It raises the interesting option for the Committee to omit from clause 13(3)(a) subparagraph (xx) which refers to Ngati Awa ki Tamaki Makaurau and subparagraph (xxi) which refers to Ngati Awa ki Poneke. What effectively this suggests is that the select committee wrongly included two groups as I assume hapu. I want to know if you might give a ruling the appropriateness— 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich) 
: I thank you for raising that issue and we will— 
GERRY BROWNLEE 
: I have not raised it yet. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich) 
: No but the member was well on the way to raising it if he had not already raised it. We will wait for another day for that matter to be settled or indeed it may be settled by the Speaker. 
Progress reported. 
Report adopted.
Hartley Ann: Voting — Correction 
Hartley Ann: Voting — Correction 
[Volume:610;Page:7979] 
Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: The member did indicate this earlier. Leave is sought for that purpose. Is there any objection? There is not. Thank you. That will be recorded.
Burton Mark: Electricity and Gas Industries Bill — Instruction to Committee 
Burton Mark: Electricity and Gas Industries Bill — Instruction to Committee 
[Volume:619;Page:15276] 
Hon MARK BURTON (Acting Leader of the House) 
: 
 I move  
That it be an instruction to the Committee of the whole House on the Electricity and Gas Industries Bill that it take the bill part by part.
[Volume:614;Page:10641] 
If this Government was more positive the people of New Zealand would have a brighter hope. But yesterday in the House we had members argue that New Zealand could not deliver economic growth could not deliver productivity growth and could not deliver higher wages so the best we could do for people was to give them a 4-week holiday. That was said to be the best we could do. Now we have a Minister of Education who says that school boards of trustees are not capable of engaging in an employee-employer relationship and are not capable of being with the people that they know best and delivering the results in terms of the best education for our own children. So the Minister says the Government will empower the State Service Commission to do the dirty work—do the hard work—for the Government. That is what will happen under this legislation. I say to the Minister of Education that this is a disappointing day for the people of New Zealand. If he had a more positive view and if he was prepared to engage with the boards of trustees and give them more power as opposed to taking power away from them he might have found that they reacted in a very very different way. 
We know that this is just the start of things to come from the Labour Government. When Labour came into this House in 1999 as the Government it told us that it would raise taxes in only one area: the top personal taxation rate. The Government cruelly raised that rate from 33c in the dollar to 39c in the dollar as a pure envy tax because it did not need the fiscal revenue from that to deliver its programme. What the Labour Government did then is no different from what it is to deliver under this bill. This bill is just the start of what is to come. Mark my words since the Labour Government has been in power we have had 19 increases in levies or income tax. New Zealanders are getting taxed to death under this Labour Government. We will see just the start of that in the education sector. 
Today we see the boards of trustees being robbed of their most crucial relationship with their employees. We will see that situation continuing into the future. This Minister will use the powers he has for whatever he can legislate to go forward. When the people of New Zealand take the time to look at this bill they will reflect on the words of Mr Simon Power the outstanding member for Rangitikei who said that Trevor Mallard was in divorce proceedings with the PPTA. Simon Power was quite right when he said that. It is an irreconcilable divorce and one that will end up as so many divorces sadly do in tears. This is a sad day for education in this country. National will oppose this bill and rightly so.
Tamihere John: Supreme Court Bill — Third Reading 
Tamihere John: Supreme Court Bill — Third Reading 
[Volume:612;Page:9108] 
Hon JOHN TAMIHERE (Minister of Youth Affairs) 
: 
 E te kaihautu me te whakaruruhau tenara koe. Nga mihi nunui ki te whanui o te motu kei te mihi nunui ki a koutou. Taku inoi ki a koutou—e aroha ki a koe Georgina aroha ki a koe aroha ki a koe. Mohio ki a matou aroha ki a koutou. No reira ki a koutou ma taku inoi e nga iwi whanui kia mau te kaupapa nunui te kaupapa tuturumoratoungatipuna. Te mana motuhake momatou. Katia te pitomo te Kawanatanga. Engari e tuake au ki te tautoko te mana whenua te mana monga iwi kotahi tatoumo te whenua o Aotearoa. Kareratoungatipuna e warewaretia e matau. Takototonu takototonu a takototonu.
Barker Rick: Transport Legislation Bill — Second Reading 
Barker Rick: Transport Legislation Bill — Second Reading 
[Volume:621;Page:16746] 
Hon RICK BARKER (Minister for Courts) 
: 
 That last speech left me with the overwhelming impression of sliding ever downwards into a quagmire of cold sticky porridge—words words words no substance no strength nothing. That speech is a very good metaphor for why the National Party will be in Opposition for as my good colleague Mr Peck says over 20 years. The National Party is about being muddled and befuddled and taking no action. This Government is about having clear ideas and taking action. That is why I support this bill.
Power Simon: Points of Order — Member's Withdrawal from Chamber—Sandra Goudie 
Power Simon: Points of Order — Member's Withdrawal from Chamber—Sandra Goudie 
[Volume:624;Page:19646] 
SIMON POWER (Senior Whip—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. I have left the point of order until the conclusion of question time. It relates to your requiring Sandra Goudie to leave the Chamber. We do not of course dispute that decision; that would be contrary to the Standing Orders. I seek from you some guidance on interjections and your ruling on how members are to be treated if they interject during points of order. My records indicate that on 16 March this year—they are my records alone—Annette King interjected three times during points of order and no action was taken at that time. My understanding—and I stand to be corrected—is that Sandra Goudie interjected during a point of order for the first time. I would ask that a degree of consistency be applied between senior Government Ministers interjecting on points of order and Opposition back-benchers doing the same.
Mackey Moana: Health (National Cervical Screening Programme) Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
Mackey Moana: Health (National Cervical Screening Programme) Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
[Volume:615;Page:11447] 
MOANA MACKEY (Labour) 
: 
 I rise to support the third reading of the Health (National Cervical Screening Programme) Amendment Bill. I do so as someone who was personally affected by what happened in Gisborne which resulted in the inquiry into the under-reporting of cervical cancer. I do know the distress of receiving the letter that tells a woman that although she had been told she had a clean bill of health she could not necessarily depend on that evaluation. I said I received a letter. In fact I actually found out via the front page of the  
Dominion 
. There were such problems in tracking me down because at the time I was studying flatting and moving around a lot that in fact the  
Dominion  
found out before I did. For me that has really highlighted the problem of a scheme where one would be required to track down every woman and get her permission to have access to those files. I know how difficult it is sometimes to track down people particularly young women. 
I think it is extremely important to get young women on to this scheme not just to ensure that they are free from cervical cancer but also to use that as an opportunity for general practitioners to give them information about what causes cervical cancer and what kinds of things can be a factor in raising a woman’s chances of contracting cervical cancer particularly sexually transmitted diseases such as HPV which we know are intricately linked to incidences of cervical cancer. 
I support the scheme we have here. We owe it to the women of Gisborne to have as robust a scheme as possible and only a scheme that is opt-off will provide that. Time and resources are far better spent on ensuring that we lower the risks and incidence of cervical cancer in New Zealand rather than in tracking down women.
Vote: Corrections Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Procedure 
Vote: Corrections Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:617;Page:13022] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 7; United Future 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Noes 62 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 208 in the name of Stephen Franks to add new subclauses (7) (8) and (9) to clause 19 be agreed to.
Vote: Fisheries Amendment Bill (No 3) — In Committee 
Vote: Fisheries Amendment Bill (No 3) — In Committee 
[Volume:619;Page:15187] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment to the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 70 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 49 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 7; Maori Party 1; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Amendment to the amendment agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendments in the name of the Hon David Benson-Pope set out on Supplementary Order Paper 246 as amended and the following amendment to clause 28(2) in his name be agreed to: 
to omit from subclause (2) of proposed new section 68(2A) the word “regional” and substitute the word “international”.