Dean JacquiHon JACQUI DEAN (National—Waitaki): Thank you Mr Chair. I also want to refer to union access into the workplace and I can assure the Chair that I will cover some new ground in my contribution but just in the meantime I think the intention of the bill has been canvassed in this House on a number of occasions. It's there in black and white in the bill. It's around strengthening the power of the unions in the workplace. OK it was no secret but yet again this afternoon we've had the very Minister who said as a former union organiser"—well now we've seen it yet again. This bill is not about the workers because only 17 percent of workers in New Zealand are affiliated or belong to a union and they are not highly represented amongst small business either. So when you have a union organiser—as with the Minister—so very very determined to increase access into the workplace uninvited and without permission then all is unmasked as to what this bill is about. It's not about the workers; it is about the unions and the power of the unions. I'd like the Minister to answer this question. He has brought to the committee Supplementary Order Paper (SOP) 153 which modifies that access so that access to a workplace without permission can now happen under his SOP only where there are union members working in the workplace who have a collective agreement but not for workplaces without union members. But I'd like to know what is the difference. Why is it that the union organiser can walk in unannounced and unbidden into a workplace? Marja Lubeck: Because it's their members. Hon JACQUI DEAN: Oh it's the members. Oh so it's their members. I would like to have this question answered: why is it that union members and union organisers can't meet outside of working hours? Why can't that happen—why can't that happen? That is why I'm very pleased to see that the Hon Scott Simpson also has SOP 112 on the Table which would seek to delete clauses 6 and 7 altogether. This bill should not be about a union organiser being able to walk through the doors in a processing plant which has union members with a collective agreement who are processing fruit into jam or into chutney and where it is truly a dangerous place nor should they be able to have unannounced access to into a business where there are clients customers or patients present because—Tim van de Molen: Children. Hon JACQUI DEAN: —yeah children—the employer and indeed the employees of those businesses may be conducting matters that are and should be private. If as a customer or a patient I walk into a business which has got union members working there I don't want someone walking in unbidden because my privacy is impacted. I'm really interested to hear the Minister's response to the privacy issues. Health and safety is one thing and I disagree with the Minister. I would say to the Minister that a union organiser walking into a factory which has got hot food processing going on does constitute a danger under the health and safety legislation—of course it does. Are they going to stop and put on the gumboots and the overalls and the hats and the earplugs and all those things that we do when we visit processing factories—are they? Well I don't know and I'd like the Minister to answer those questions."