Logie JanJAN LOGIE (Green): What a treat to get to stand up and tautoko this bill of Ginny Andersen's. It's the Holidays (Bereavement Leave for Miscarriage) Amendment Bill (No 2) and it's my favourite kind of bill to debate in this House I think. One that's come so directly from somebody's lived experience where somebody has put what they've been through out there and then translated that into an effort to change the experience of others through their own experience—that to me is a really beautiful thing and I hope the member really acknowledges herself for carrying this through so smoothly and beautifully that everyone in this House is able to stand together in saying We're going to fix this." There's definitely clearly a need for it.I also want to acknowledge that even through the debate of this bill it's been helping to fix some of the problem because that silence that has caused so much harm has in part started to be broken by this debate and by Parliament's attention and will at the end of today through the clarity in the legislation be broken down a bit further. As has been mentioned already one in four New Zealand women have had a miscarriage and 20000 women miscarry every year. It is an incredibly normal experience but normal doesn't mean easy; it doesn't mean without pain. But we have for a long time through silence and stigma forced women—primarily women—into actually just pretending as if it hasn't happened. And we know that suppressed grief causes additional harm and that that can be very long-lasting. So I hope that this makes a real difference.There's been some discussion about you know the fact that the legislation enabled most people—technically enabled them—to be able to access this leave already through the death of a child and that that was cross-referenced into another piece of legislation where the definition of child was provided. Just to give people a little more sense of what we're trying to fix here for me when I read that definition and the other piece of legislation which is that a child includes a stillborn child defined as follows: "a dead foetus that—(a) weighed 400 grams or more when issued from its mother". Like seriously? That was the legal measurement in terms of somebody's entitlement to this leave—that or whether it "issued from its mother after the 20th week of pregnancy" in marriages registration Act. The weight?Arena Williams: It's ugly.JAN LOGIE: It's just ugly. It really is. And so it is well over time to me that this legislation disconnects from that and really puts in a definition of miscarriage to clarify that bereavement leave could be sought for the unplanned end of a pregnancy no matter how far along that pregnancy was no matter whether actually even that the person where the pregnancy had ended—the only kind of test is that really it was an intended pregnancy. It didn't even have to have previously been known to be able to access this leave and that no proof would be required no weight scales would be introduced into the discussion which thankfully I don't think we heard any examples of that happening. But certainly the committee did hear examples coming primarily through our unions—being the voice for working people in this country—telling us that actually this has been disputed where mostly women that I know of but could also have been other pregnant people seeking to access bereavement leave and their employers saying they weren't entitled to it. And the process for that is somebody deep in their grief having to go through our employment processes to mediate that decision is just impractical and not realistic and adds to the damage of the situation.So the Greens again just want to acknowledge Kathryn van Beek for her advocacy and Clare Curran for listening and bringing that through and for Ginny Andersen so adeptly shepherding this through the House and are very pleased to stand in solidarity with everyone else in this House and particularly with those who have experienced a miscarriage to support this bill."