Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Questions to Ministers 
Te Mangai Paho—Te Runanga o Ngati Whatua 
4.  
RODNEY HIDE (ACT NZ) 
 to the  
Minister of Maori Affairs 
: Does he believe Mr Trevor Moeke’s assurances that Te Mangai Paho were not aware until yesterday that Mr Tame Te Rangi had been convicted and sentenced to five months imprisonment for stealing nearly $40000 from Te Runanga O Ngati-whatua and in light of Mr Moeke’s claims does he remain “more than happy with Te Mangai Paho’s handling of this situation”? 
Hon PAREKURA HOROMIA (Minister of Maori Affairs) 
: 
 I am advised by Mr Moeke that he was not aware until yesterday of Mr Tame Te Rangi’s conviction and sentencing and on that basis I am satisfied with Te Mangai Paho’s handling of the situation. 
Rodney Hide 
: In the light of the Minister’s satisfaction will he confirm that there are emails on Te Mangai Paho computers that reveal that Mr Te Rangi emailed from tame@tmp.govt.nz to hemana@clear.net.nz requesting that Maori Sportscasting International pay him a cash fee of several hundred dollars to be hidden in his accommodation travel and meal expenses; and what action will this Minister take to ensure that those emails which I have requested under the Official Information Act are not destroyed? 
Hon PAREKURA HOROMIA 
: I am not aware of the emails and I am more than certain that I am not into the practice of having emails destroyed. 
Mahara Okeroa 
: What assurances has the Minister of Maori Affairs received on the performance of Te Mangai Paho? 
Hon PAREKURA HOROMIA 
: Te Mangai Paho has received unqualified reports from Audit New Zealand on behalf of the Auditor-General for the past 3 years. 
Hon Murray McCully 
: If it transpires that as a result of Mr Moeke’s longstanding association with Mr Tame Te Rangi Mr Moeke had or should have had information about Mr Te Rangi’s past will the Minister review his statement of confidence in Mr Moeke as the chief executive of Te Mangai Paho? 
Hon PAREKURA HOROMIA 
: Most certainly. I am advised that Te Mangai Paho undertook standard external reference checks on Mr Te Rangi. No issues were raised. It has recently been developed in the sense of better processes of appointment and that is a management issue. 
Rt Hon Winston Peters 
: How can the Minister possibly say he is happy that external and internal checks have been made in respect of Mr Tame Te Rangi given what is known in the community about Mr Te Rangi’s past with regard to not just Ngati Whatua but other matters as well or would he act only if there were for example an allegation that somehow Mr Te Rangi had taken funds for one purpose—namely the renting of an office—but then had applied them to one of his own organisations? 
Hon PAREKURA HOROMIA 
: I am more than capable of acting on innuendo or further extensions of nonsense that may have happened in that area. I am advised that there are security checks now on key executive positions and those have happened for the last 2 years. 
Rodney Hide 
: In the light of the Minister’s confidence has he any concerns over Mr Hemana Waaka’s Maori Sportscasting International operation given that Mr Waaka not only provided kickbacks to Mr Te Rangi but also out of a Te Puni Kokiri $10000 training wananga contract put on food alcohol and a band at Auckland’s Lakeside Convention Centre to assist two Cabinet Ministers during last year’s election campaign; or does he believe that kickbacks to civil servants and treating on behalf of Cabinet Ministers are an acceptable use of taxpayers’ money? 
Hon Trevor Mallard 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. Do I need to go into any detail? It is clear that an unparliamentary remark has been made by way of a question. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: One unparliamentary remark was made. I chose to ignore it because I am going to give the Hon Parekura Horomia an opportunity to give an answer. 
Hon PAREKURA HOROMIA 
: There seemed to be four questions in the space— 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The member can answer any two. 
Hon PAREKURA HOROMIA 
: I do not know the detail about the two Ministers. Regarding the second part in relation to kickbacks I say that it is not due practice for hard-working public servants to get involved in that nonsense and I will not stand it from any officials who work for me—if it is true. 
Rt Hon Winston Peters 
: Given that the Minister has had 4 weeks at least to be apprised thoroughly of this issue when will he justify his LTD ministerial salary and all the perks that go with being a Minister and start to do his job—or do any old standards count for Maoridom? 
Hon PAREKURA HOROMIA 
: I am afraid I do not own an LTD. Secondly I work pretty hard most days of the week. 
Rodney Hide 
: I seek leave of the House to table my letter to Te Mangai Paho of 11 February requesting those emails that I understand Te Mangai Paho has either never received or lost. 
Document by leave laid on the Table of the House. 
Middle East—Safety of New Zealanders 
5.  
MARTIN GALLAGHER (NZ Labour—Hamilton West) 
 to the  
Minister of Foreign Affairs and Trade 
: What actions have been taken to safeguard New Zealanders in the Middle East against the possible consequences of conflict in the region? 
Hon PHIL GOFF (Minister of Foreign Affairs and Trade) 
: 
 Over the last few weeks New Zealand has intensified its consular activities in the region encouraging registration of all New Zealanders and ensuring where possible a communication channel with them through a warden network. We are also working closely with our consular partners on contingency planning. Yesterday New Zealanders living in Iraq Kuwait Syria Jordan Israel and the Palestinian Authority were advised to leave immediately and New Zealanders elsewhere in the Middle East were advised to consider departing. New Zealanders have been advised to defer most travel to the Middle East. 
Martin Gallagher 
: How many New Zealanders are in Iraq and what action has been taken to ensure their evacuation? 
Hon PHIL GOFF 
: We are aware of 15 New Zealanders who as of yesterday were in Iraq: 12 with the United Nations Monitoring Verification and Inspection Commission UNMOVIC one with another UN agency one with a non-government organisation and another apparently there as a human shield. Kofi Annan has now ordered the evacuation of all UN personnel and that is proceeding today. The non-government organisation worker is also due to depart today. We have no contact with the person acting as a human shield though we are aware that two other New Zealanders who went there for that purpose have now departed. 
Dr Wayne Mapp 
: Will New Zealand be working with our friends and allies to ensure that New Zealanders who do remain in the region are taken under their protection during the course of any impending conflict; if not why not? 
Hon PHIL GOFF 
: New Zealand in consular matters deals most closely with its four consular partners. We are indeed working very closely with them and in the instance where for example we do not have a diplomatic post in Kuwait but the United Kingdom does the United Kingdom helps us assume responsibilities for those people in that region. 
Parole—Barry Ryder 
6.  
Hon TONY RYALL (NZ National—Bay of Plenty) 
 to the  
Minister of Justice 
: In light of his comments in 1995 that “Those Ministers through their failure to act when warned about Mr Ryder ... must bear responsibility for the appalling sequence of events that led to Mr Barry Ryder’s conviction ...”; what action if any did he take to ensure the public’s protection when he became aware that Mr Ryder was soon to be paroled? 
Hon PHIL GOFF (Minister of Justice) 
: 
 Barry Ryder was released in the early 1990s as a direct result of a political decision—the passing of the Mental Health Act—without transitional provisions for dangerous offenders let out by the changes. Two National Ministers were directly warned of the consequences of this by Neil Pugmire and did nothing. In 2002 Ryder was released because he had a finite sentence and the Parole Board decided that a period of controlled supervision in the community was needed. That was not a political decision. Indeed as a former Minister of Justice the member knows better than most that he was and now I am prohibited from interfering in any way with the Parole Board decision. Indeed I was not even notified of the decision. 
Hon Tony Ryall 
: In the light of the fact that in August 2000 the Minister knew that Barry Allan Ryder was up for parole and would be shortly released why did he despite all the years of hand-wringing and vein-popping speeches take no action whatsoever to satisfy himself that appropriate supervision arrangements were being put in place for Barry Allan Ryder—there was not one action? 
Hon PHIL GOFF 
: The member apparently did not listen to my initial answer. In the 1990s Barry Ryder was released directly as the result of a political decision. In 2002 the nature of his release by the Parole Board was such that I was statutorily prevented from intervening. Indeed I was not even told about it. If the member wants an answer he should listen instead of talking all the way through the answer. 
Georgina Beyer 
: What changes have been made to legislation that would have made a difference had those changes been in place when Ryder was sentenced in 1995? 
Hon PHIL GOFF 
: The key change is in relation to preventive detention. In 1995 the judge said that Ryder should have got preventive detention under the then existing law which Tony Ryall did nothing about. He was not able to do so. The law has now been changed so that if the same circumstance arose again Mr Ryder would find himself indefinitely imprisoned and under the Parole Act would never be released because of the risk he constitutes to the wider public. National failed to do that for 9 years; I have done it. 
Marc Alexander 
: Does the Minister agree that in similar cases such as Lloyd McIntosh who never stood trial after raping his 6-year-old sister he ought never to have been released after mysteriously regaining his mental capacity without going to court so that he could not go on to rape a 23-month-old girl 3 months after his release? 
Hon PHIL GOFF 
: Yes there are unfortunately parallels between Lloyd McIntosh and Barry Ryder. The difficulty we confront is that both—after having been released by the National Government because it changed the Mental Health Act—subsequently reoffended and were then given finite sentences. There is no way that I as Minister or this House can extend a finite sentence. I should mention that under the new Sentencing Act offenders would on a finite sentence of course serve up to the very last day of their sentence and then be given 6 months’ parole beyond that date. 
Hon Tony Ryall 
: In the light of all the Minister’s warnings to the Parliament and the people of New Zealand in 1994 and his comment that because Ministers knew of Ryder’s release and took no action they are responsible for the consequences why knowing of his public statements did he take not one action to satisfy himself that the Department of Corrections was acting to protect Ryder and the New Zealand public and why did he not even pick up the phone and call an official into his office when he knew that his parole was only months away? 
Hon PHIL GOFF 
: The reason those Ministers and indeed that member and the whole of the discredited ex - National Government are responsible was that those members— 
Hon Bill English 
: Answer the question. 
Hon PHIL GOFF 
: I am answering the question and as a former Minister of Health Mr English is responsible. Those members did not ensure that there were transitional provisions available so that dangerous people were not released into the community because of a change in the Mental Health Act. Those guilty people are still sitting on those benches but now in Opposition and safe in that capacity. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: There is a point of order and there will not be a sound. 
Hon Tony Ryall 
: I seek the leave of the House to table documentary evidence that proves the Minister Mr Goff was advised in August 2000 that Barry Allan Ryder was up for parole. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to table that document. Is there any objection? There is objection. 
Rodney Hide 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I am sorry to shock Mr Mark Peck but you asked for order and there was not to be a noise made during the point or order. Mr Mark Peck called out very loudly and very forcefully—I am sure you would have heard it—that what Mr Ryall was saying was not actually true. That cannot be allowed to go unchecked. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I did not hear those exact words at all. 
Rt Hon Winston Peters 
: I seek leave to table two documents: one is the warning to Mr Bill Birch the Minister of Health by Mr Pugmire in the first instance and the other is to Mr Goff in the second instance. They are both guilty. 
Methamphetamine—Classification 
7.  
Hon MATT ROBSON (Deputy Leader—Progressive) 
 to the  
Associate Minister of Health 
: Has he received any reports on action being taken to reclassify methamphetamine as a class A drug? 
Hon JIM ANDERTON (Associate Minister of Health) 
: 
 Yes I have. Yesterday I received a report from Richard Prebble of the ACT party that evidently goes to many unsuspecting New Zealanders and businesses which stated that the Government had not acted on the reclassification of methamphetamines. Given the publicity on the issue including media releases in December January and February and last week’s debate in the Health Committee broadcast on radio television and in newspapers throughout New Zealand I can only assume that the honourable member failed to notice as he was fighting off leadership challenges inside his own party. 
Hon Matt Robson 
: What is the Government doing about reclassifying methamphetamine? 
Hon JIM ANDERTON 
: This week I will lodge a notice of motion in the House on the reclassification of methamphetamine as a class A drug. On behalf of the Government I announced before Christmas that decision to reclassify this dangerous drug. We are committed to greater powers for the police when they suspect that methamphetamine is being manufactured sold or used. An A classification will increase penalties for this offence from 14 years’ imprisonment to life imprisonment for the importation manufacture and supply of methamphetamine. I would have thought that would satisfy even the ACT party. 
Hon Tony Ryall 
: Why has it taken the Government so long to act on this in the light of the fact that the previous Government was talking about it 4 years ago— 
Government Members 
: Oh! 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I have a rule about questions. I want to hear them and they will be heard in silence. I ask Mr Ryall to start again. 
Hon Tony Ryall 
: Why has it taken the Government so long to act on the reclassification of methamphetamine in the light of the fact that the previous Government announced its action in late 1999 and what action is the Government looking at to deal with the reclassification of analogues of methamphetamine—for the Minister’s information an analogue is a drug with a slightly altered chemical composition but with the same effects as methamphetamine and is used to skirt the reclassification that he is gloating about? 
Hon JIM ANDERTON 
: It is a bit rich for a person who was in a Government for 9 years to announce that that Government announced it would do something in 1999. This Government— 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I want the Minister to answer the question briefly and succinctly. 
Hon JIM ANDERTON 
: The Misuse of Drugs Act was amended by this Government. It has streamlined the steps to control dangerous drugs by making the process more simple more effective and more transparent. To ensure the Government makes the right decision and covers all the loopholes there are procedures we need to take. The National Party and ACT might be uncomfortable about the fact that we now provide public input through the select committee and democratic discussion by most members of this Parliament and this side of the House is very satisfied that a 2-month period to reclassify a class A drug is a miracle in comparison with how long it used to take or not to take as the case may be. 
Steve Chadwick 
: What role has Parliament in the reclassification of methamphetamine? 
Hon JIM ANDERTON 
: As the honourable member is aware the Health Committee plays an important role in the reclassification of this scourge. It is involved as part of a more streamlined process put in place by this Government to enable classification or reclassification of dangerous drugs with expert parliamentary and public input but without the very lengthy process associated with legislative amendment. Once the select committee reports to the House the motion lodged this week can be debated and if passed the reclassification of this drug has cleared through its final parliamentary hurdle. With the will of Parliament methamphetamine could be reclassified within 2 months. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The Minister’s answer was too long. 
Sue Kedgley 
: What evidence does the Minister have to believe that increasing penalties for possession of methamphetamine from 3 to 6 months and fines from $500 to $1000 will actually reduce the epidemic in New Zealand and why are we reclassifying it as a class A drug when the United Nations conventions which we use as a basis for most of our drug classifications classify it as a class B drug and not a class A drug? 
Hon JIM ANDERTON 
: These revised laws are not aimed at the victims of methamphetamine; they are aimed at those who import manufacture and supply it. The damage done to individuals families and communities from this drug is simply catastrophic. Liberal views on recreational drug use are absolutely inappropriate in relation to methamphetamine. While we have education and treatment programmes as part of the methamphetamine action plan which officials are currently working on the first step towards a solution is to acknowledge the problem and a total crackdown is supported by every member of this Government on the importation manufacture and supply of methamphetamine. I cannot understand any degree of tolerance being given to this drug by any responsible member of this House. 
Judy Turner 
: In the light of police reports that suggest that cannabis suppliers and users are branching out into methamphetamines will the Minister categorically rule out the decriminalisation of cannabis since it is clearly a gateway drug? 
Hon JIM ANDERTON 
: This House will have its opportunity in due course to vote on that and members will have their own views and I have mine. However can I say that every piece of evidence I have received from the police and from experts in the drug-abuse area tells me and other members who have looked at it that this is one of the most dangerous drugs that has ever been present in this society or any others and this Government has an absolute zero tolerance to it. 
Race Relations Commissioner—Communication with Politicians 
8.  
Hon MURRAY McCULLY (NZ National—East Coast Bays) 
 to the  
Associate Minister of Justice 
: In light of her description of the former Race Relations Conciliator Mr Gregory Fortuin as unwise and inappropriate when he involved himself in the affairs of the Alliance Party does she agree that the same description applies to the actions of the current Race Relations Commissioner Mr Joris De Bres who communicated with selected politicians and political parties in relation to his “Taleban” speech; if not why not? 
Hon MARGARET WILSON (Associate Minister of Justice) 
: 
 No because under section 16 of the Human Rights Act it is the function of the Race Relations Commissioner to lead discussions on race relations matters. 
Hon Murray McCully 
: Does the Minister agree with the Deputy Prime Minister’s description of Mr De Bres’ Taliban speech as “unwise and unnecessarily provocative to many New Zealanders”; if so how does she square those characteristics with the role of the commissioner as spelt out in the Human Rights Act? 
Hon MARGARET WILSON 
: Yes because it is the role of the Race Relations Commissioner to stimulate debate. Whether one likes the views put forward or not that is the job. 
Dianne Yates 
: Is it the duty of the Race Relations Commissioner to check all statements with the Minister? 
Hon MARGARET WILSON 
: No. Section 19 of the Act requires members of the commission to act independently in the performance of their functions. This Government understands and respects the independence of statutorily appointed members unlike Mr McCully who was forced to resign following complaints on this matter from the New Zealand Tourism Board in 1999. 
Dail Jones 
: Is the Minister capable of distinguishing between a person who leads a discussion and a person who purposely creates and foments problems in society; a person who leads discussions does not foment debate by way of introducing the Taliban and making comparisons between it and New Zealand society; surely a person who wants to lead debate makes information available to everyone not merely the United Future party the Labour Party the Greens and Tim Barnett? 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The question had three parts to it. The Minister may comment on two of them. 
Hon MARGARET WILSON 
: No. I cannot make the distinction. 
Rodney Hide 
: Does the Minister think it wise that a person in the position of Race Relations Commissioner should pre-circulate a controversial speech such as the Taliban speech proved to be only to selected members of Parliament and selected parties and will she be suggesting to the Race Relations Commissioner that in the interests of democracy he should tell the public of New Zealand all the names of the people to whom he gave a pre-circulated copy of the Taliban speech? 
Hon MARGARET WILSON 
: I understand that the Race Relations Commissioner had pre-circulated his speech to people including myself but unfortunately I never got it; or if it was in my office I never read it. 
Ron Mark 
: That’s par for the course. 
Hon MARGARET WILSON 
: Yes it is par for the course because of the independence of the position which I have just explained to the member. However I do understand that in future the commissioner will be circulating copies of his speeches to all members so they will have no difficulties reading them in the future. 
Hon Murray McCully 
: Can the Minister confirm that the Race Relations Commissioner circulated a draft of the speech almost 2 weeks prior to its delivery and that some of the recipients of that draft were public servants who were potentially involved in Ministers’ offices and can she explain why the Race Relations Commissioner felt it necessary to selectively delete names from the list of people who received that circulated copy? 
Hon MARGARET WILSON 
: No I cannot confirm that. 
Public Health—Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome 
9.  
STEVE CHADWICK (NZ Labour—Rotorua) 
 to the  
Minister of Health 
: What advice has she received regarding the outbreak of severe acute respiratory syndrome? 
Hon ANNETTE KING (Minister of Health) 
: 
 I was briefed by officials from the Ministry of Health yesterday morning and I will continue to receive daily updates. I am advised that the ministry is treating the offshore outbreak of severe acute respiratory syndrome as a significant threat to the health of New Zealanders. Up-to-date information from the World Health Organization and other international agencies was circulated yesterday to health authorities throughout New Zealand. At this stage the nature of and the agent responsible for the disease have not been identified. National infectious diseases experts have met several times and will continue to meet. They have decided to implement the first stages of a national public health emergency plan. The actions required by that plan are being circulated to all district health boards medical officers and other key health personnel. The public health emergency plan is available on the Ministry of Health’s website. 
Steve Chadwick 
: What is the state of preparedness for New Zealand to deal with this outbreak? 
Hon ANNETTE KING 
: Last year following a simulated exercise the Ministry of Health developed a national pandemic plan. The exercise tested our ability to respond to such an emergency. I am advised that New Zealand is the only country to have tested a pandemic plan like that which was based on World Health Organization recommendations. The ministry is working with other agencies including public health services to ensure we are appropriately prepared to handle any eventuality. Our priority at the moment is to work with the World Health Organization to monitor the evolving situation and to ensure appropriate and timely action is taken in New Zealand. 
Dr Lynda Scott 
: As Prime Minister Helen Clark believes that severe acute respiratory syndrome might rival the Spanish flu of 1918 which killed at least 20 million people worldwide why are we not screening all incoming travellers from affected areas? 
Hon ANNETTE KING 
: First of all the Prime Minister mentioned that a pandemic is deemed by the World Health Organization to be such and that the last major pandemic we had was the influenza of 1918. However in response to the second part of the member’s question I am flabbergasted because I believe that the member is a medical doctor. How does one screen for a disease that has yet to be identified? 
Pita Paraone 
: In the light of the recent deadly severe acute respiratory syndrome illness sweeping the world is she concerned that the number of people entering our borders from around the world may put New Zealanders under extreme risk of contracting this fatal virus; if not why not; or if so how is her concern being implemented? 
Hon ANNETTE KING 
: This disease is spread by contact between people and it does move between countries because people travel. However New Zealanders returning to this country could bring this disease to New Zealand just as easily as any tourist or visitor to this country could. At the present time airlines are ensuring wherever possible that people if they have the symptoms that have been identified are not allowed to travel. 
Sue Kedgley 
: Does the Minister agree that the international outbreak of severe acute respiratory syndrome is a portent of what will happen if antibiotic-resistant disease-causing organisms continue to spread and cause untreatable illnesses; and as a precautionary measure to avert such a disaster will the Government prohibit the routine feeding of antibiotics that are used in human medicines to millions of animals in New Zealand that are not even sick? 
Hon ANNETTE KING 
: The member is drawing a very long bow. At this stage it is not known whether the disease is a virus or a bacteria. To then claim that it comes from the feeding of antibiotics to animals is I think taking a very long shot indeed. 
Ministry of Social Development—Ministry of Youth Affairs 
10.  
SIMON POWER (NZ National—Rangitikei) 
 to the  
Minister of Youth Affairs 
: When was he first advised of the proposed merger between the Ministry of Social Development and the Ministry of Youth Affairs and what opportunity if any did he have to contribute to that decision-making process? 
Hon JOHN TAMIHERE (Minister of Youth Affairs) 
: 
 There is currently no proposed merger between the Ministry of Social Development and the Ministry of Youth Affairs. As a sensible savvy and responsible Government we are constantly looking at ways of ensuring that the public service works efficiently and effectively and my colleague the Minister of State Services announced last week that the Ministry of Youth Affairs will be examined as part of the review of the centre programme. 
Simon Power 
: What faith does he have that youth issues will be adequately realised if the proposed merger goes ahead when he has recently stated: “It’s clear that our potentials can never be realised or released by an all-knowing all-caring centralised bureaucracy called the Ministry of Social Development.”? 
Hon JOHN TAMIHERE 
: A great deal of faith. 
H V Ross Robertson 
: What benefits if any are there for young New Zealanders that he can see in the process currently being undertaken? 
Hon JOHN TAMIHERE 
: The Labour Party’s 2002 election manifesto stated that Labour will investigate whether the strategy  
Youth Development Strategy Aotearoa  
can be more effectively monitored within a separate ministry or whether youth affairs should become a semi-autonomous division of the Ministry of Social Development. We live by our manifesto and our election promises. 
Craig McNair 
: Is the Minister prepared to allow the process of merger to proceed with all its inevitable costs in time and money simply in order to have himself muzzled or is it nothing more than a case of his being a lion in the media and a lamb in Cabinet? 
Hon JOHN TAMIHERE 
: It has a lot to do with being a lion I think. 
Paul Adams 
: Taking into consideration Phil Goff’s comments in 1996 that the youth affairs portfolio used to take only a couple of hours a week of his time is the Cabinet post of Minister of Youth Affairs likely to be abolished once the Ministry of Youth Affairs and the Ministry of Social Development have merged in an effort to cut back the over-inflated executive? 
Hon JOHN TAMIHERE 
: At this particular point in time no. 
Simon Power 
: Is he concerned that he will become part of the “bureaucratic tribe” if the Ministry of Youth Affairs is swallowed by the Ministry of Social Development when he has previously stated: “It’s all about patch protection and empire building. When they get into their bureaucratic tribe their tribalism comes out.”; if not why not? 
Hon JOHN TAMIHERE 
: No. 
Employment Relations Act—Review 
11.  
PAUL ADAMS (United Future) 
 to the  
Minister of Labour 
: What progress has been made on the review of the Employment Relations Act 2000? 
Hon MARGARET WILSON (Minister of Labour) 
: 
 Officials are currently preparing advice for consideration by the Government in the very near future. 
Paul Adams 
: Is she prepared to rule out any proposed amendments to the Employment Relations Act before the review is completed such as allowing collective agreements at individual workplaces to compel all workers to join a union as suggested by Andrew Little Secretary of the Engineering Union—a powerful affiliate of the Labour Party? 
Hon MARGARET WILSON 
: As I have said publicly we do not support compulsory unionism. 
Lynne Pillay 
: What matters are the subject of the review? 
Hon MARGARET WILSON 
: The purpose of the review is to consider what legislative changes are required so that the Act can better meet its statutory objectives of promoting productive employment relationships good-faith collective bargaining and the effective resolution of employment problems. 
Hon Roger Sowry 
: In the review will she consider strengthening the ability for employees to insist on a collective contract—for instance if a political party’s staff want a common collective contract with other political parties’ staff but the Prime Minister’s chief of staff tries to block it? 
Hon MARGARET WILSON 
: As I have just said the purpose of the review is to promote collective bargaining. 
Sue Bradford 
: What steps will the Minister take to include measures like pay audits in the review of the Employment Relations Act to address continuing gender and ethnic pay gaps as shown for example in the 2002 survey in which the average hourly rate was $18.51 for a Pakeha male $15.27 for a Pakeha female $14.09 for a Maori male and $13.07 for a Maori female? 
Hon MARGARET WILSON 
: The Government is concerned about the continuing pay gap. The review will address that only partially in the sense of supporting collective bargaining which is one means by which to raise the wage rates of low-paid workers. However the substantive matters the member addresses in her question will be considered in the pay equity review which we will be getting to in the near future once the submissions have been received and the report has been given. 
Paul Adams 
: Given that one of the stated objectives of the review of the Employment Relations Act is to consider how collective bargaining provisions can be strengthened can she guarantee that those sections in the Act that uphold the individual freedom of employees will remain untouched; if not why not? 
Hon MARGARET WILSON 
: As I said certainly freedom of choice will be guaranteed in the legislation as it is at the moment. I cannot make it any clearer than that. We are bound by international obligations. 
Iraq—Te Mana's Deployment 
12.  
KEITH LOCKE (Green) 
 to the  
Minister of Defence 
: If the United States attacks Iraq will the Government end that part of the frigate  
Te Mana 
’s mission which involves escorting United States vessels through the Strait of Hormuz; if not why not? 
Hon MARK BURTON (Minister of Defence) 
: 
 I expect the role of the Canadian-led group which includes our frigate  
Te Mana 
 to remain essentially unchanged. This includes providing safe passage against terrorist attacks for the vessels of nations that are members of the Operation Enduring Freedom coalition. In my view the need to protect coalition vessels against terrorist attacks remains as strong as ever and therefore the purpose of New Zealand’s deployment remains just as relevant. 
Keith Locke 
: Why will the Minister not concede that escorting US warships into the Persian Gulf with war materials that will be used against Iraqis does in practice make us complicit in that war? 
Hon MARK BURTON 
: The Strait of Hormuz is an international strait of significant strategic importance to the entire world. The task force will continue to protect all designated Operation Enduring Freedom coalition vessels from any attack. 
Dave Hereora 
: What reports has he received on the operation of our frigates as part of the maritime interdiction operation? 
Hon MARK BURTON 
: I have been advised that from 2 December until yesterday first  
Te Kaha 
 and now  
Te Mana 
 have conducted a total of 1112 queries or vessel identifications 97 boardings of suspicious vessels and 31 escorts through the Strait of Hormuz. Our forces deployed on both  
Te Kaha 
 and  
Te Mana 
 have operated in an effective and efficient manner and this House should be proud as I am of their demonstrated professionalism and commitment. 
Simon Power 
: What additional commitment of logistical or armed support will be made available to our traditional friends and allies in addition to the frigate  
Te Mana 
’s escort services? 
Hon MARK BURTON 
: As I announced to this House some time ago it is anticipated that as part of Operation Enduring Freedom’s action against international terrorism a P3 Orion will be engaged as soon as basing arrangements are concluded. 
Keith Locke 
: How many Iraqis need to die killed by the weapons that are in the ships that our frigate will be escorting through the Strait of Hormuz before the Government reconsiders its policy of escorting such ships? 
Hon MARK BURTON 
: As I have said to the member already the maritime interdiction operation includes protecting the ships of Operation Enduring Freedom coalition member nations from the possibility of terrorist attacks as they move through the Strait of Hormuz. Such ships are exercising a right of freedom of navigation in their passage of the straits.