Shaw James; Brownlee Gerry; McAnulty Kieran; Waititi Rawiri; Lyndon HūhanaHon JAMES SHAW (Co-Leader—Green): Point of order. I seek leave of the House for a debatable motion on the Government's use of urgency.SPEAKER: Leave is sought. Is there any objection to that? There is objection.Hon KIERAN McANULTY (Labour): Point of order. Mr Speaker I request a personal vote on that motion.SPEAKER: You can but I'm not granting it because the numbers are overwhelming. There's no question about how the outcome can be interpreted. That's the basis for a member requesting a personal vote.Hon JAMES SHAW (Co-Leader—Green): Point of order.SPEAKER: Beg your pardon?Hon JAMES SHAW: They were very even.SPEAKER: I read them. I read the results. It also would require that there was some belief that votes cast weren't legitimately cast.Hon JAMES SHAW: I find it difficult to predetermine how you can rule on a use of a personal vote given that until it happens you don't actually know whether it's overwhelming or not.SPEAKER: Well you do because the Clerk hands you a bit of paper that says 68 to 54. That's the basis of it. That is a large substantial majority of the House making a decision. If there was a question about whether or not someone had appropriately or inappropriately cast their vote or whether outside of a party's leave allocation there was a misquoting of a vote those would be reasons but simply calling for one is not enough.RAWIRI WAITITI (Co-Leader—Te Pāti Māori): Point of order. I seek leave from the House to move that the Pae Ora (Disestablishment of Māori Health Authority) Amendment Bill is out of order while it is currently subject to an inquiry by the Waitangi Tribunal as to the Standing Order 116.SPEAKER: Leave is sought. Is there any objection to that?Hon Members: Yes.SPEAKER: Thank you very much.HŪHANA LYNDON (Green): Point of order. I move that the orders of the day for the first reading of the Pae Ora (Disestablishment of Māori Health Authority) Amendment Bill be postponed until after the urgent claim before the Waitangi Tribunal regarding this bill can be heard.SPEAKER: There's a small problem here. So there is a sequencing that goes on in any of these moves by the House and you can't have a successive number of leave applications that vary from a decision that the House has made in the current session. The House has made its decision that it's in order and therefore any other moves to defeat its progress under the urgency bill are unfortunately not permitted under Standing Orders.Hon David Seymour: Unfortunately?SPEAKER: Well unfortunate for the member.Hon KIERAN McANULTY (Labour): Point of order. Thank you Mr Speaker. It's very clear that there are many members of this House that feel very strongly about the bills that were contained within the Government's urgency motion. It is possible that members from all parties were moved by those contributions. In order to clarify whether that is the case I seek leave of the House to hold a personal vote on that motion.SPEAKER: That's not sufficient reason. Your belief doesn't trump the fact that people have cast their vote effectively by holding their proxy with the whips.Hon Kieran McAnulty: I am seeking leave however.SPEAKER: Oh are you seeking leave? All right. Leave is sought for a personal vote on—do you want to say what it is again so we get it all correct in the Hansard? I seek leave—Hon KIERAN McANULTY (Labour): Mr Speaker I seek leave of the House to hold a personal vote on the Government's urgency motion just voted on as a party vote.SPEAKER: Leave is sought. Is there any objection? There is objection.RAWIRI WAITITI (Co-Leader—Te Pāti Māori): Point of order. Mr Speaker can you clarify for this House that Standing Order 116 Matter subject to judicial decision: (1) Matters awaiting or under [judicial] or suppressed by an order of [a] New Zealand court may not be referred to in any motion debate or question including a supplementary question subject always to the discretion of the Speaker and to the right of the House to legislate on [a] matter or to consider [delegated] legislation." Standing Order 3(b) of that "takes into account the constitutional relationship of mutual respect that exists between the legislative and judicial branches of government and the risk of prejudicing a matter awaiting or under [the court system or under judiciary] in any New Zealand court including one awaiting sentencing." The tribunal meets on Thursday and this goes against that particular standing order. Can you just give us some clarification around that please Mr Speaker?SPEAKER: Well the simple clarification is that the tribunal is not a judicial body and for that reason the Standing Order does not apply in this case."