Dalziel Lianne: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume 
Dalziel Lianne: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Sitting date: 22 August 2012. Volume:683;Page:4682. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon LIANNE DALZIEL (Labour—Christchurch East) 
: 
 I think that the Minister in the chair the Minister of Consumer Affairs is actually mocking the reality of this situation because what he has referred to—[ 
Interruption 
] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: Order! I am sorry to interrupt the member but I have asked for some tolerance of the situation. Members will walk if they do not heed that. 
Hon LIANNE DALZIEL 
: What the Minister did just then was to take a call and refer to the fact that a number of these statutes need to be taken off the book. That is the regulatory reform repeals part of the bill that we are debating here the Regulatory Reform Bill. I am happy you know because the Minister has raised that to respond to that. But every single one of those pieces of legislation— 
Hon Clayton Cosgrove 
: I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I am sorry to interrupt my colleague. There is a difficulty. I have just come down from my office and I have seen your rulings on the sound. I have come down to report to you that you are audible the Minister is audible— 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: I am—sorry? 
Hon Clayton Cosgrove 
: You are audible the Minister is audible but for some reason on this side of the Chamber my colleague is not. Labour’s acting whip took a number of calls and they were not audible. I can also confirm for you that it is not only the television. It is also radio being piped into the parliamentary system. My question to you is simply this: the proceedings of the House— 
Hon Tau Henare 
: Speak up. Can’t hear you mate. Speak up. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: Order! 
Hon Tau Henare 
: Well there’s no point in having a point of order if we can’t hear it. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: Mr Henare I have cautioned you. You are on your last warning. 
Hon Tau Henare 
: I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I cannot hear. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: Right. The member will now leave the Chamber. 
Hon Tau Henare 
: What for? I can’t hear. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: The member will leave the Chamber—you can hear that. 
Hon Tau Henare 
: Only because you spoke up. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: I am waiting for the member to leave the Chamber. 
Hon Jo Goodhew 
: I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I am just aware that it appears to us that—now my microphone has started working— 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: Yes it is working. 
Hon Jo Goodhew 
: —but other microphones have not been working. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: Yes—I am waiting for the member to leave. 
Hon Tau Henare withdrew from the Chamber. 
Hon Clayton Cosgrove 
: I do not intend politics in this one but I can clarify for my colleague that there appears to be a major problem unless it has been rectified since I walked downstairs. What I am saying to you Mr Chairman is that you interpreted that the radio is working; it is not. You are audible your colleague beside you is audible but everyone on this side of the Chamber is not. I have not heard a speech from your colleague—maybe they are—but there is a difficulty in that it is not being broadcast unless it has been rectified since I walked down to the Chamber. 
Hon Jo Goodhew 
: Mr Chair—oh I am on. But the member Tau Henare’s microphone was absolutely not on at any time. 
Hon Clayton Cosgrove 
: Speaking to the point of order— 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: No that was not a point of order. I am not taking that as a point of order. I have made myself quite clear. I had direct eye contact with the member and he did resist me in a way that necessitated some action after a warning. I have made it quite clear—I am taking advice as I sit here so I have not got any predetermined outcome about this. I just ask for some tolerance from members in the Chamber and I am not sure what is happening on this side now. There is some life that has come back in on this side to the audio system. [ 
Interruption 
] I am on my feet. So I am just going to ask for some tolerance. It is an instruction that the House should be broadcast but not a requirement if you can understand the Standing Orders on that point. It is preferable—I have had a look at the Standing Orders. In the absence of that if we show some accommodation to each other we can hear what is going on in here. I thank the member. 
Hon Clayton Cosgrove 
: I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. Thank you because—[ 
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]—in an appropriate way. My question which maybe you could answer is that if it cannot be broadcast in the media—i.e. television or radio—should that not be rectified before proceedings continue? That is one problem. The second problem is I—[ 
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] Mr Henare has illustrated the third problem: some members cannot hear the contributions of others so is it appropriate that the Committee taihoa for a moment until the technical difficulties can be fixed? 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: Let me just tell members that the Standing Order I referred to is Standing Order 44(1) which states: “The proceedings of the House are broadcast on radio during all the hours of sitting”. Nowhere in the Standing Orders is there a requirement that says that if they cannot be broadcast the proceedings of the House will be adjourned. There is no instruction in that form. Having worked with the difficulties that we are in the Clerk has brought us a microphone which we will pass to any member who has the call. They can use a handheld microphone. That is the best we can do in the circumstances until it is rectified. 
Hon Clayton Cosgrove 
: I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. With respect Mr Chair I do not want to in any way impinge on you as I think what you are doing is absolutely appropriate. But I think it is worth you seeking some advice from a higher authority—if you can hear me Mr Chair. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: I think others should hear you. 
Hon Clayton Cosgrove 
: Yes I will approach the bench. 
Hon Member 
: “Karaoke Cosgrove”. 
Hon Clayton Cosgrove 
: I do commit to the Committee that I will not break into karaoke. I do not wish to impinge on you because I think you are trying to navigate through this. But I think there is an issue as to whether the House should be suspended until this problem is worked through. I am happy to move to recall the Speaker but if I do that I do not want any imputation put on the fact that I am challenging your integrity because I think you have acted absolutely admirably. But I would suggest and I am happy to move that we recall the Speaker to just get some advice on this. But I do not want to impinge on your integrity. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: I will respond to that. We now have a microphone that works. I know that it is not the best that it has to be moved around— 
Hon Clayton Cosgrove 
: Is it being broadcast? 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: Yes it is. You are booming loud and clear here and my presumption is that it is being— 
Hon Clayton Cosgrove 
: But on the television and the radio? 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: I cannot answer that question. 
Dr Cam Calder 
: I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I have been able to follow the progress of this debate on television but I got the feeling also that some of the things that were being said by you Mr Chair were being broadcast as well. 
Hon Clayton Cosgrove 
: Can I simply request the following: that if we cannot get verification that it is being broadcast through the normal medium could we seek advice from the Speaker on the premise that I do not wish—normally when the Speaker is recalled it is a negative conclusion on the Chair and I want nothing drawn from that. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: That is understood. The member has only to move that the Speaker be recalled.