Kuriger Barbara; Belich Camilla; Costello CaseyCHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger): Camilla Belich and I want this to be really—we've been on a couple of original tracks in the last couple of speeches; over the course of the night some other speeches have got really repetitive so I'm looking for new questions specific questions.CAMILLA BELICH (Labour): Thank you Madam Chair—point taken. What I did want to mainly focus on in my contribution which I don't believe has been covered to date is Schedule 2 which inserts a new form 5 into the—Hon Kieran McAnulty: That's right. I was interested in that too actually yeah.CAMILLA BELICH: Yes well there's a lot we can say about form 5. This is a really complex bill. This is a complex piece of legislation. It is not a simple repeal bill. It is a repeal bill of an amendment bill that has also been previously amended subsequent to its initial passing from the 1990 bill. So it's hard to make sense of this bill actually and the bit that is most difficult is the part that we're on at the moment which is—and I can see you smiling because I know that you're all trying to be making sense of this bill and I am as well. I was looking at doing amendments last night and it is complex. I think it's a shame actually that this wasn't subject to select committee because I doubt very much outside of the people in this Chamber where people are very interested in this specifically Part 2 whether anyone actually understands exactly what this bill does.I won't be able to cover all of Part 2 but I did want to just go over before I get on to form 5 some of the different enactments that this amends. So it doesn't only amend the principal Act; it also amends the Smokefree Environments and Regulated Products (Smoked Tobacco) Amendment Act. It also amends the Smokefree Environments and Regulated Products Regulations and the Smokefree Environments and Regulated Products Amendment Regulations 2023.The one that I wanted to focus on was clause 41(2) which inserts new form 5. Now when I first saw this I thought they—and when I say they" I mean the Government or the Associate Minister of Health—must be intending to replace an existing form 5 with a new form 5. However when I looked up the regulations I saw that the forms that are in the existing regulations actually only go up to form 4. So form 5—and I'd be interested if the Minister has any more information on this—is actually a brand new form that inserts very surprisingly additional regulatory requirements on tobacco retailers. I assume from reading the small amount of information that is in the bill in relation to form 5—and requires the businesses to actually provide a number of pieces of information in relation to the tobacco products that they sell annually. So it's an annual return. The previous forms I think are of a similar nature but this is not a replacement; it's actually as I see it a new form—but happy to be corrected by the Minister. I see she's getting some advice there and I'd be interested to know that. So it's quite a difficult form to understand. The main thing that I wasn't aware of—and actually if we go back to the primary clause in 41(2) we can see that there is a replacement also in forms 3 and 4 to replace "UPC" with "EAN/UPC." Now I didn't know what that was. I'm different to my colleague Mr McAnulty: I've never been a smoker. I've never smoked a cigarette; I don't know anything about them. I had to describe when a cigarette came up in conversation to my children what it was—you know a cylindrical tube that you might've seen with a tiny fire on it that people smoke that have smoke around them. You know that is the reality of the new generation. It could be that everyone had no idea what a cigarette was and the simple idea of them is just bizarre to the next generation. I think that was my colleague Ayesha Verrall's intention to really have a new generation that felt that way about cigarette smoking because there's really nothing good about it.So I'm interested. I looked up UPC and EAN/UPC I have to admit it was while I was in the Chamber; I haven't had a lot of time to look at it. I believe it's barcodes. But I asked the Minister: what is the difference between a UPC and an EAN/ UPC? Why has it been amended in forms 3 and 4 and then why have we inserted a new form 5? And why does the Minister require additional information annually from businesses that sell tobacco products in form 5 or have I misunderstood that? And is form 5 some other thing that isn't an additional requirement that businesses need? So I'm interested in the Minister's response.Hon CASEY COSTELLO (Associate Minister of Health): I just want to confirm that all of the regulations that were quoted regarding the testing of nicotine levels—all of those regulations relate to the product approval process around the denicotinisation or low nicotine limits just to clarify that that's why it can't be left in because it relates specifically to the regulations for that.Clarifying the last member's question about Schedule 2 the new form actually has nothing to do with the tobacco products. It was a correction of a misconsequence of the original legislation and it was about vaping reporting. It was just amending the form requirements and that's why that's been inserted in there."