Rurawhe Adrian; Kuriger Barbara; Woods MeganPart 2 Amendments to RegulationsCHAIRPERSON (Adrian Rurawhe): Members we now come to Part 2. This is the debate on clauses 19 to 23 Amendments to regulations". The question is that Part 2 stand part.BARBARA KURIGER (National—Taranaki - King Country): Yeah I'd just like to talk to clause 19 around the regulations. The regulations as we've heard tonight are around disclosure. I'm really disappointed that the last part of the bill was cut short in the most open and transparent Government ever particularly when the Minister actually took a swipe at me for talking about the Climate Change Commission and saying it had nothing to do with climate and then in her future call she decided that she was going to use the climate and take a swipe at National as a basis. So I think it was really shut down so that the Minister didn't have to ask the questions. So the questions that I actually want to know is that this is about having a plan this is about a regulation to ask the industry to disclose and be open and transparent about the amount of gas that is on hand. The Minister went through a whole lot of information before talking about what the industry had told the Gas Industry Company. They also told the Gas Industry Company and the select committee that they were concerned about all of the competitive information or the ability to go fishing—as Simon Court has actually mentioned already tonight.So the Minister is expecting that this bill will be passed—and it probably will because they have control over everything right now—and the industry will be expected to put the plan of how much gas is in front of the Minister. I have a really relevant question for the Minister. Given that when the Climate Change Commission—and it is relevant because she talked about the climate in her own speeches tonight—came out and said that it would be a good idea for the Government to have a plan to our future energy transition the Minister actually agreed with the Climate Change Commission. Now this is four years in to this Government. They actually made some very serious decisions in 2018. They call it a just transition. No one can see what the transition is. There is no plan. Is it unreasonable of the Minister to ask an industry to disclose and have a plan when the Minister is unwilling to disclose what the Minister's and the Government's plan is?My question to the Minister based around that is: did the Minister instigate this bill so that the Government would know where the gas is so that they can keep the lights on?Hon Dr MEGAN WOODS (Minister of Energy and Resources): It might be helpful for the committee to talk through what it is that Part 2 of this bill does and the regulations that are being changed by this. It is quite a tight part of the bill in terms of the 2008 regulations that are being changed. So if we look at clause 19: that identifies the gas governance compliance regulations 2008 is the regulations amended in the subpart that largely what Part 2 of the bill is talking about is the penalties regime. And what you will see through subsequent clauses round there is how it is that the bill is going to work in terms of that penalties regime."