Andersen GinnyHon GINNY ANDERSEN (Labour): Thank you very much Madam Chair. I'd just like to pick up on the point in and around the purpose of this to make sure that we don't want people in gangs. And a big part of that is concerning particularly in relation to parts of rural New Zealand. And this has been used quite often by the Government. We don't want to return to situations where gangs are able to take over our streets and take control of communities and stop law-abiding New Zealanders from getting to do their daily work. And we agree on that.But part of that is having the police resource to be able to do that and to be able to make sure—so we do know that Police received about $107 million less in the last Budget than they did the one before that. And so in terms of some of those rural police stations that were shut down under the last National Government there's actually information I've received that there will be more closing down. So we know we've heard that there are potentially more rural police stations over the next few months that are going to close as a result of lack of resourcing. I've been provided with the names of those stations but I'm not going to use them right now until we can find out a little bit more about that. Maybe the Minister can enlighten us as to whether there's been a Cabinet paper that proposes to close more rural police stations around New Zealand. The worry would be if those stations in parts of New Zealand where we know we have high numbers of gang members whether there will be a police presence able to in fact enforce this legislation because I would go so far as to say that it would be irresponsible of this Government to promise to New Zealanders that this legislation will in fact deliver restoration of law and order if with one hand they are taking away a gang patch and with the other hand they are closing a police station because that would seem to be counter intuitive to the purposes of what they promised at the election and what New Zealanders are expecting them to deliver.Maybe the Minister can speak to that because I do see that there are quite big parts of this legislation that appear to be cosmetic that are good window dressings that enable the Minister to be able to stand up like he did in the House yesterday and say that he's putting gangs on notice and that we will no longer tolerate this kind of disruption to our communities. And that's great. But to be able to deliver on those types of promises you also need to resource the police service. And there are some very real concerns amongst police officers that there is insufficient resourcing provided by this Government to enable them to enact the new powers that legislation such as this will be providing our police officers. So I would be really interested to hear from the Minister whether he has further information to enlighten us about further rural police stations in New Zealand closing whether some of this is in relation to the $107 million less that police received under his past Budget and whether there's any view to providing additional funding for those parts of New Zealand that may no longer have a police station or even a police presence but do have a significant number of gang members because it would be quite hard to put gang members on notice if there's no cop there to do it. And it would be quite hard to issue dispersal notices and remove gang patches if there's no front-line police officer paid and resourced to be able to be there and doing that work.And I think that by introducing legislation like this and using pretty tough language in terms of how this will have an impact on law and order in New Zealand he's given New Zealanders a high bar of expectation about the outcome of what this bill will deliver in terms of safety in our communities. And it may be detrimental to his own reputation if there are resources locally that people have seen and expected to exist and those are disappearing at the same time as greater expectations are being put on our front-line police officers. So if the Minister has any further information that may reassure us that this talk will be followed through with resourcing and ability for enforcement to do the work I'm sure New Zealanders would be very keen to hear that.