Bayly AndrewANDREW BAYLY (National—Port Waikato): Wow I think if ever there's an indication that the Government has screwed it up we have just seen it when we have the Hon Louise Upston and Jan Logie from the Green Party on the same page talking about the same issue and wanting to make the same change. That just tells me that if you ever needed a select committee process now is the time and that is the best indication because whilst I don't always agree with everything that Jan Logie says one thing I would say is that she is one of the most earnest heartfelt people in this House who will always stand up for the poor and if she's standing there saying that Labour has got it wrong and Louise Upston from National is saying it's wrong then there must be something wrong. And I think that the Government should take heed of that. But of course they're going to ram this through tonight aren't they? We'll be here till midnight. It's going to be an exciting night isn't it?This comes back to a wider issue—and I'm sorry; I also want to pick up on Jan Logie's issue. Yes even the departmental disclosure statement the regulatory impact statement—commonly known as a RIS" to us MPs—even that if I take her at her word the numbers are wrong. The numbers are wrong in it! Wow! The Minister can't even get the numbers right. The Minister must have done this legislation in such a hurry that not only are we doing a COVID bill today that has to be changed immediately after but the RIS—how can you actually make a comparison? How can you actually assess the financial impact if the RIS is wrong? What is happening to this Government? What is happening to those backbenchers over there also?Anyway anyway I want to return to the issue of the family tax credit increase and the proposition—and this is my first question to the Minister. I listened very carefully to his opening speech way back a few hours ago—it seems like a time line—when the Minister talked about increasing and lifting people out of poverty particularly children and he talked about 6000 children being lifted out of poverty as a result of all these Working for Families changes. And of course all the backbench over there used the figure 3000. So which figure is it Minister? That's the first thing because we'd like to see a bit of consistency across that Labour Party over there. Not showing much consistency at the moment. But the big issue is how in the Dickens can you lift 6000—or let's say 3000—people out of poverty when all you're doing is playing catch up with inflation. So all these benefit changes are playing catch up trying to catch up to the 8 percent inflation rate. Of course it's always triggered when it gets greater than 5 percent. So it's not reimbursing them for what's gone on; it's just increasing the current Working for Families component to take that issue into account.So there is no way that is ever going to remove children out of poverty. The only thing that is going to remove children potentially out of poverty is this $5 per week increase. And I know that the Hon Louise Upston because she's a hard-working person has got an amendment on that which is saying "Why are we putting the $5 per week in there? There's already an 8.4 percent increase."Kieran McAnulty: Here's your chance Doocey! Have a go mate.ANDREW BAYLY: Sorry?Kieran McAnulty: I was just saying he should have a go at leadership because who knows who's up for it! Come on let's go!ANDREW BAYLY: So a very inappropriate contribution from the Chief Whip there. So the issue here is: does the Minister really think that a $5 per week per child increase is going to lift 3000 children out of poverty when you've got rampant inflation? Of course we've got the Reserve Bank in front of the Finance and Expenditure Committee at 8 a.m. tomorrow and they have got inflation forecasts going like that partly because of inappropriate poor levels of spending by the Government and also the actions of the Reserve Bank. How is $5 per week going to lift children out of poverty? That I think is a proposition it put in here made by the Government but actually I think it has very little basis and I'd love to hear the analysis of it."