Bayly AndrewANDREW BAYLY (National—Port Waikato): Thank you Mr Chair. I want to pick up on the comments of my fine colleague the Hon Scott Simpson from just before because my electorate of Port Waikato obviously spans the southern border so I've had to live daily with businesses who have literally had to deal with trying to get their key staff across the border—their principal business might have been in Pōkeno or Pukekohe but one of their key staff members is based in Te Kauwhata as an example. I've got many live examples I could refer to but I think the point that the Hon Scott Simpson made about the travel is very important.So I'll give you an example of what I'm very concerned about. A roofing company who is engaged doing work for Kāinga Ora or a marae would in many cases be able to get exemptions to get workers across the border but a building company—and I'm not trying to highlight any particular organisation but we have many many building firms particularly in places like Pōkeno which is growing like billy-o where you have people who cannot get builders. I'll give you another example: a roofing company trying to complete roofs over houses during the winter could not get their key roofing person from Te Kauwhata to Pōkeno because they were deemed not to be doing essential work.So we've got this differentiation between building companies working for the Government—Kāinga Ora—who would get permission in many cases but building companies trying to build houses for ordinary New Zealanders or needy New Zealanders or New Zealanders trying to buy their first house can't get their staff across the border. So I am concerned about this new amendment in clause 6 to section 11 about travel.I'll give you another example. I had the example of a quality-control person who is actually a lady who worked for a meat company that is an export business so you'd think that was quite important economically to New Zealand that we've got support for our exporters because after all who's paying for Grant Robertson's $60 billion of additional debt that he's piled on over the last 18 months? Simon Court: Our children our grandchildren.ANDREW BAYLY: Well mainly our farmers and our exporters isn't it? But of course we're going to leave that legacy as my colleague from ACT is quite rightly saying to the next generation. But no doubt Mr Robertson and the Labour Party will be long gone by then. But the point about that person coming from Onewhero trying to get to that meat-processing business that exporting company is that actually most of their 50 staff live inside the Auckland zone but this one person did not and because that meat has to be subject to quality control because it's a requirement of the market they export to the 49 people were effectively held to random because the Government would not give that person the right to travel across the border. Of course this is what section 11 is about.So what we're doing is choking New Zealand businesses even those who are trying to build new houses for first-home buyers and exporters from actually getting on with their lives and here we are we've got another piece of legislation. Hey presto we don't know what's in it but let's give ourselves this generic power of restricting and people travelling across the border."—and I'm looking specifically at new section 11(1)(b)(i).Here's a Government that just loves regulations—it just loves regulations—"Let's put in as many regulations as possible." Well why doesn't the Government just have a different view which is "We need to let businesses get on and do their livelihoods allow those people to continue to be employed." because the result is that many of those companies are going broke because they cannot get their workers across the border. I can tell you that as the MP for Port Waikato I was dealing with hundreds of cases—hundreds of cases—like this. It was all about how we could construct and make sure that if they were doing a job for the Government they could get across the border.I think new section 11(1)(b)(i) needs better explanation from the Minister. I'm glad to see Minister Wood in the chair because if it's going to be more constraint and that Minister trying to tell businesses what to do that is a really bad outcome."