Pugh Maureen; Davis KelvinMAUREEN PUGH (National): Thank you Mr Chair. I can see that my colleague Jonathan Young was having trouble getting an answer to his question about the support for the travel agents in New Zealand so I'll have another go at that. I'm just wondering if the Minister in the chair is aware that the travel industry supports 5000 jobs across New Zealand. There are 500 tenancies that they occupy across the country 660 small to medium sized enterprises and 500-plus sole traders. They are the only organisations that are on the ground with travellers who are seeking to get the refunds and the credits from cancelled flights but they are also an industry that is getting no income from the work that they are doing; they're doing it out of the goodness of their heart. The wage subsidy is keeping them afloat at the moment but it is not covering their overheads. They are looking for targeted support from the Government. They have written directly and copied you in Minister and they are asking please can this Government target some support to their industry to keep them afloat because there is going to be a day when we will need them back in work.Hon KELVIN DAVIS (Minister of Tourism): What was the question?MAUREEN PUGH (National): So my question in case there's any confusion is: what support can the Minister provide to the travel agencies across New Zealand that they are going to be given targeted support?Hon KELVIN DAVIS (Minister of Tourism): Well in terms of targeted support there's obviously not enough money in the Tourism Recovery Fund to pay the outbound tourism operators. One of the members there said that it is close to $1 billion. Now the Opposition I think if they're saying that they will fund $1 billion to the outbound tourism operators then what they're basically saying is—well what I would have to ask them is where are they going to find that money? Because they've already got an $80 billion hole in all their promises that they're promising to New Zealand. So Mr Speaker—Hon Todd McClay: Mr Chair.Hon KELVIN DAVIS: Mr Chair yes; thank you very much. The Opposition continue to ask questions around a part of New Zealand's small business network. What they really need to do is make sure that— Tim van de Molen: Oh so because they're small businesses the Minister won't talk to them?Hon KELVIN DAVIS: Well the small business Minister is also responsible for them but quite frankly we cannot afford the $1 billion that they're saying it will cost to bail out the overseas tourism operators.MAUREEN PUGH (National): Thank you Mr Chair. Just to follow on from that question that I've just asked and picking up on what the Minister has said because there is clearly not enough money. I just wonder if the Minister can advise us then how the Government picks the winners in the tourism industry for Government support. There have been some very big allocations made—and I mention bungy jumping and whale watching because these tourism and travel agents would very much like to know what criteria they need to meet in order to qualify for targeted support as these other industries have.Hon KELVIN DAVIS (Minister of Tourism): Well I've already covered over the criteria that the businesses need to meet. They need to have a national or international reputation and they need to be significant for drawing visitors to a particular region. There needs to be significant spillover effects. A lot of the questions that they're asking actually are around commerce; they're not around tourism. They fall under the purview of other Ministers. What we're talking about under tourism is the support for tourism businesses here in New Zealand. As I said earlier in my contribution I've already outlined the criteria.