8. Question No. 8—CorrectionsHon DAVID BENNETT (National—Hamilton East) to the Minister of CorrectionsQuestion No. 8—Corrections8. Hon DAVID BENNETT (National—Hamilton East) to the Minister of Corrections: Does he support the recommendations of the Turuki! Turuki! report?Hon KELVIN DAVIS (Minister of Corrections): I support some of the recommendations and am already addressing others. One of the recommendations I support is the call for a cross-party parliamentary accord for transformative justice where the report suggests it is time to take politics out of the issue and put an end to bickering. I guess the member's line of questioning will make it clear whether or not he supports this recommendation as well.Hon David Bennett: Does he support recommendation No. 11 to establish community-based habilitation centres for some prisoners?Hon KELVIN DAVIS: I support anything that's going to reduce reoffending to improve rehabilitation and I look forward to the member also supporting anything that supports rehabilitation and reduces reoffending.Hon David Bennett: Does he agree that the work of decolonisation must begin in our justice system and if so what specifically needs to be decolonised?Hon KELVIN DAVIS: It's quite disheartening to hear the National Party denying the effects of colonisation on outcomes in New Zealand. You just need to a look at the fact that over 50 percent of the prison population is Māori. There's a substantive population that are Pacific Islanders in prisons. It's evidence that things have gone wrong and colonisation is part of the issue.Hon David Bennett: Does he agree with the report that there is institutional racial discrimination in the justice system?Hon KELVIN DAVIS: Well if we look at the fact that there are so many Māori who are in the prison system if there are so many Pacific Islanders—and in fact I think it was Chester Borrows today who highlighted this the Hon Chester Borrows the former National Minister who raised and emphasised this very point that we're making: that there are too many people of colour in our justice system.Ginny Andersen: What other recommendations has the Minister seen on transforming the justice sector?Hon KELVIN DAVIS: I'm aware of one recommendation which provokes gangs to commit more crimes and drives them further—SPEAKER: Order! That's enough. The member should know that they don't use patsies to attack the Opposition.Hon David Bennett: Does he agree with the report that Māori communities should be able to determine their own responses to hara—transgressions—among their people?Hon KELVIN DAVIS: Sometimes but what we're doing in Corrections along our Māori Pathways programme is exactly that: we're asking Māori to determine what we need to do better so that they can support their people not to reoffend not to go back to prison—how we can help them to transition from prison into communities safely and be contributing members of society upon their release.Hon David Bennett: Will the Minister support power-sharing of the justice system with Māori communities to create a Māori justice system?Hon KELVIN DAVIS: If we look at article 2 of Te Tiriti o Waitangi where that talks about tino rangatiratanga tino rangatiratanga means that Māori should have the opportunity to have a say in what they want for their people. We as the Government under article 1 of Te Tiriti around kāwanatanga—means that we need to be enablers of Māori aspiration. If we work together—article 1 and article 2 of Te Tiriti o Waitangi—we should be able to achieve article 3 outcomes which is equal outcomes for all New Zealanders. Hon David Bennett: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. It was a simple question. A yes or no would suffice.SPEAKER: Order! Order! How long has the member been here?Hon Members: Too long.Rt Hon Winston Peters: Five minutes.SPEAKER: No. That's enough. I'm on my feet. There are two members who are going to withdraw and apologise. One said Too long."—Hon Kris Faafoi: I withdraw and apologise.Darroch Ball: I withdraw and apologise.SPEAKER: And there was one more I heard as well.Hon Grant Robertson: It was me. I withdraw and apologise.SPEAKER: And another.Rt Hon Winston Peters: I said "Five minutes." and I withdraw and apologise.SPEAKER: The member will withdraw and apologise.Rt Hon Winston Peters: I withdraw and apologise.SPEAKER: But the point that I will make is that David Bennett knows well—he knows well. He's not a new member and he's not a member that does not understand the rules of the place. That was a deliberate breach and therefore was designed to create disorder. I'm going to let it go again because it's close to Christmas but he's facing some risks."