Dean Jacqui; Woods MeganHon JACQUI DEAN (National—Waitaki): The Minister didn't quite answer my question. My question was: what was the number of KiwiBuild houses announced as the target for this Government this term? Madam Chair?CHAIRPERSON (Hon Ruth Dyson): The Hon Jacqui Dean.Hon JACQUI DEAN: Oh thank you. With regards to the homeownership project—and I am sorry the Minister couldn't provide the committee with the number which was the original target. We've heard about the reset we've heard an amount of houses today but we haven't heard about the original target. So we're not getting the complete picture today but that's all right. Moving on to the Progressive Home Ownership announcement which the Minister made I did ask the Minister—this is another question which the Minister had not answered and it would be good to get an answer now—why were two goals announced as part of the Progressive Home Ownership stage 1?Hon Dr MEGAN WOODS (Minister of Housing): Sorry can the member please repeat that question? Was it why were two goals proposed?Hon JACQUI DEAN (National—Waitaki): The question to the Minister was that in phase 1 of the Progressive Home Ownership initiative announced there would be between 1500 and 4000 houses built and my question is: why two goals?Hon Dr MEGAN WOODS (Minister of Housing): Oh sorry I did address this in a previous answer that I gave. It's 1500 and 4000 is the spread of families not houses and I think that's really important to remember that we're talking about families and groups here not the construction of houses necessarily. But the spread is such because it depends about the ultimate mix that we work with the sector around. If we choose to help more people who are towards the household income of $50000 that will require higher levels of support. It will be more intensive. But if we have a larger cohort of people more towards the $130000 which is the cap clearly more people will be used. We are working through with the sector. We have made policy decisions as a Government that we want to be making sure that we are working right across that continuum and making sure we are helping substantial numbers of people who are more towards the $50000 per annum household income end of the spectrum because this is a group of people who are shut out of homeownership and without an intervention such as our Government has put in place they would never get the opportunity at homeownership.But we also know working with the sector that we do require a balanced portfolio of properties across this. This is a 10- to 15-year recyclable fund. We do need to make sure that we've got some balance of risk within the portfolio so we've communicated this throughout the time that we've been developing the programme—that it is important to have that cross-section of people in there—but it is certainly our Government's policy objective to be helping people who would otherwise be shut out of homeownership and that is why there is the spread between 1500 and 4000. It's not two goals; it's a spread.Hon JACQUI DEAN (National—Waitaki): Thank you. How will we measure the success of the Government's new Progressive Home Ownership programme in phase 1 if on the one hand the goal is 1500 New Zealanders assisted into homes and on the other hand the goal is 4000? How is the Minister going to measure the success of the Progressive Home Ownership initiative?Hon Dr MEGAN WOODS (Minister of Housing): I think there's some confusion on the part of the member. Phase 1 isn't 1500 to 4000; the entire Progressive Home Ownership system is 1500 to 4000. Phase 1 the two initiatives that we launched on Friday and that we talked about in terms of the Auckland scheme and the Queenstown scheme is 100 families. The way in which we'll measure it will be quite simple: we'll count the number of families.