McAnulty Kieran; Wade-Brown CeliaHon KIERAN McANULTY (Labour): Thank you very much Madam Chair. I do appreciate that you had a lot of choices there and you chose me and I appreciate that. Thank you.James Meager: This sounds like leadership-thinking.Hon KIERAN McANULTY: Keep it up. We've got all night. It's all good; we're in no rush. [Interruption] We're in no rush—keep it coming. But it's interesting that it does appear the Minister also wishes to keep this debate going Madam Chair because as you know and as many others know in this Chamber if a Minister chooses to respond to a genuine query like that as was proposed by Dr Duncan Webb with a political comment it only extends the debate. So if that's how the Minister wants to play it that's absolutely fine. But I also have a genuine query. As much as I support the proposal made by the Hon Dr Duncan Webb who always plays with a straight bat—he's talking about an increase in charges for local body debt collection. It's a fair cop. But what I've heard a lot from the Minister tonight is cost recovery". What I haven't heard from the Minister tonight is the term "collection costs" and I find that interesting. So I guess my query to the Minister is: if he really wants the title of this bill to as he says reflect what's in the tin would he consider changing the title of this bill to the "Public Finance (Cost Recovery) Amendment Bill"? I'll explain why I don't believe that what is currently there is appropriate but why I think in the spirit of trying to work together that would be an appropriate title. Well the first and most obvious point is that this is the justification that the Minister himself has used on a number of occasions. So surely if that is the justification behind this bill then he may as well have the title reflecting that.The issue that I have with the current title is that it's got the inclusion of "Budget Measures" in there. Now throughout the debate in the first reading and up to now this side of the House has made the point that this is a proposal from the Government to try and fill the gap that has been created by their tax cuts in the Budget. Pretty much every contribution from the Government has said "No this has got nothing to do with that." and yet in the title it's got "Budget Measures". So if they really do think that and it isn't actually to do with the Budget then let's take that out and just say "cost recovery" and then it will say what the Minister says that the bill says. We might still dispute it but the whole point of the committee of the whole House stage is that in the absence of a select committee the committee has got to try and find ways to improve it. And at the moment I don't believe the Minister's argument that the title reflects the intention.In fact I actually don't think that if it were called the "Public Finance (Cost Recovery) Amendment Bill" it would either but it would certainly reflect what the Minister's saying about why this bill is needed.CELIA WADE-BROWN (Green): Thank you Madam Chair.Hon Member: How many parking fines have you had?CELIA WADE-BROWN: I do feel that I should correct the situation in the committee and admit to parking too long in Masterton once. So I'm not suggesting that the title be amended to "Sympathy for Overstayers" but there are some ways that we could improve the title. I wonder if the title should be "Keeping Councils in the Dark about Increasing the Costs to Councils." It's been clear that local government—and presumably none of the mayors learnt of it till they read about it. I wonder if the Minister of Local Government or the Minister of Transport or somebody could have actually talked to them.On the other hand maybe it should be called the "Discouragement of Enforcement Bill" because if we make it more expensive for councils to enforce—and it's not only about turnover of parking; it's also about safety. Let me have a look at the list because we could put them all in the title but we probably won't. If it's harder for a council to enforce parking on or near a pedestrian crossing if it's harder to enforce parking on a bus-only lane if it's harder to enforce inconsiderate parking who's going to suffer? Well it will be the people that are most disadvantaged that are generally ignored by this Government—people in wheelchairs and children walking to school—having to walk out on to the road.This bill could be called "Keep Local Government and Transport in the 20th Century" because that's the last time that some of those fees were increased. And while I have immense sympathy for my colleagues on the right—maybe that wasn't the best phrase—if they've ever received a parking fine they can avoid it with better vigilance to time keeping and by looking not to block people but the people most disadvantaged by a lack of enforcement would still suffer.So I've offered some alternative bill titles. I look forward to the Minister's response."