Peters Winston: General Debate 
Peters Winston: General Debate 
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Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 Just a few minutes ago Mr Key made a statement about future coalitions in this country. He was one might say behaving tough with a wriggle-out clause—behaving tough with a wriggle-out clause. It is not clever it is not experienced it is not smart and it is not wise. Why would he not wait until the Privileges Committee on which he has so many more members to decide the evidence on this case? Why would the leader of a party with so-called senior members on this Privileges Committee not wait until it hears the evidence? The answer is that those members know they are going to lose because they— 
Anne Tolley 
: Because they’ve got integrity. 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS 
: If they had any integrity they would not have bought it in the first place. That member would not know a thing about integrity; everybody knows that. Sitting there spouting and having operations to try to look good does not mean that she will ever be fit to be a Minister. We all know that. 
Hon Tau Henare 
: What a wanker! 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Marian Hobbs) 
: No language like that. 
Hon Tau Henare 
: Point of order— 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Marian Hobbs) 
: I ask the member to excuse me; I know there is a point of order in the House. I will have no language like that in this House. 
Hon Tau Henare 
: Point of order— 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Marian Hobbs) 
: The member may have the point of order if it is delivered properly. 
Hon Tau Henare 
: I withdraw and apologise. I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Marian Hobbs) 
: I thank the member. The point of order is granted. 
Hon Tau Henare 
: Madam Assistant Speaker you just heard— 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Marian Hobbs) 
: I heard bad language. 
Hon Tau Henare 
: And I just apologised for that. Actually I do not think that is bad language but I withdrew and apologised. 
Madam Assistant Speaker you just heard in this House an insinuation and accusation that I have never heard in this House before from that member—and he should know better—about one of our members. If you are to let that go and have me up for what I said which as I said I withdrew and apologised for then you should do something about the insinuation that that member made on Anne Tolley as well. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Marian Hobbs) 
: Anne Tolley has to take the point of order not this member. 
Anne Tolley 
: I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Marian Hobbs) 
: Has the member taken exception? 
Anne Tolley 
: I have taken exception to that. 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS 
: I withdraw and apologise. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Marian Hobbs) 
: Thank you. 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS 
: The member of course was shouting out at the time that I have no integrity but I have more in my big toe than she has. I know what pressure John Key is under. I know from whence it comes; I know who these people are. And let me tell members that that is why he is buckling. That is why he is buckling. What he does not understand is that these people are not pro National or pro anybody but themselves. That has been their track record for the last 20 years. But he is responding to them and it is a very very silly decision. 
What did the  
New Zealand Herald  
say on 12 July? It stated that Mr Glenn in an email that it will not show anybody claimed that he gave money to New Zealand First. Mr Glenn in the letter before the committee right now claims he did not. So we have disposed of the first lie from the  
New Zealand Herald 
. Down goes one. 
The second thing that the  
New Zealand Herald  
claimed was that there was fraud. Mr Glenn in his letter before the committee right now stated that there was not. So down goes the second allegation which is the core of the issue that these people over here were relying upon. Now here comes the third one. 
Gerry Brownlee 
: I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. You will be aware of and you will know about the rules around the discussion of matters before the Privileges Committee in this House. Mr Peters cannot continue in this vein. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Marian Hobbs) 
: I thank the member. 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS 
: Speaking to the point of order I say that John Key did nothing else at question time but just that. He relied upon the letters that the committee—for reasons I do not understand but I am happy about—has made public: both Mr Glenn’s letter and mine. Therefore those letters are in the public arena. I am afraid that Mr Brownlee has failed for that reason and by reason of his own leader’s actions at question time. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Marian Hobbs) 
: Would Mr Brownlee take his seat please. It just so happened that I was listening and I asked the Clerk of the House. The Clerk of the House said that members are allowed to discuss that which has been published but are not allowed to discuss proceedings in the committee. Would the member please continue. 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS 
: Thank you Madam Assistant Speaker—another win! Now here comes the third one; the critical one on which the alligators who are out there relied upon Mr Hide to come to this House and somehow fight their case for them because of course we all know where this is going in the end. 
Let me just say this. When one talks about those issues of personal experience one needs to know what the travel diary for people and what their schedules might be. One has to know what events are important. One has to know which witnesses are important. I can tell members that I have just had a conversation this afternoon—because I have only had the letter from Mr Glenn for less than 24 hours—that tells me exactly what time this conversation happened why it happened whom it happened with and what Mr Glenn said. Do members know why it is important? Because it relates to a critical piece of information that “Granny Herald”—thank heavens for “Granny Herald”—in its nanny way actually published. It concerned my entitlement to be the Minister of Foreign Affairs of this country. It concerned when the issue first blew in Pusan in South Korea. I was there with two other ministerial colleagues. That is why I now know the dates and the times. I will be telling the select committee—in public—all the details about that as will Mr Henry. Now I would rather wait for the select committee to make those facts known because I think that the select committee is apprised of it but I would just say this here. 
Gerry Brownlee 
: Story No. 3. 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS 
: It is not story No. 3 I say to Mr Brownlee; it is the same story that I told in respect of Mr Bob Jones who admits now that there was no fraud and that my version was right. 
Let us go back to why this started. It started because it is a compliment to New Zealand First. Those people think that they can take us out because one party stands in their way and that party is the party with a record of standing up for ordinary New Zealanders of putting New Zealand first and of never ever being bought off.