Willis Nicola; Woods MeganNICOLA WILLIS (National): As I say we offered the opportunity for Mr McKenzie to come before the Social Services and Community Committee to explain himself and that opportunity was denied by Labour members. My point is one about Government policy and it is an issue that that Minister is responsible for. It is about the Kāinga Ora land acquisition programme.Now we know that Kāinga Ora has previously had access to funds to purchase land for housing. And this has led to the spectacle at Ihumātao of that fund being raided to sort out a political problem. And in that matter the Auditor-General did find that actually there hadn't been proper process. So there is concern here historically about the way these land acquisition funds have been used. But my question for the Minister is about the Kāinga Ora land programme that was funded in this Budget because I would like to know why it is that a Budget passed in May then led to a meeting in August between the Minister of Housing the Minister of Finance and their officials to clarify the Minister of Finance's expectations in relation to that programme because I would like to know: why weren't the expectations for that land programme clear before that Government allocated billions of dollars for the programme? I would like to understand that.And I would like to understand if the Minister has had raised with her by Treasury or others concerns about the way that land acquisition programme will occur and whether or not there is adequate coordination across Government programmes whether or not the decision-making processes and consultation for those billions of dollars have been properly formed and whether or not the role and emphasis for that programme is correct. And I ask the Minister these questions in light of this knowledge: that Minister and the Prime Minister have received letters raising with them serious concerns about Kāinga Ora's approach to land acquisition and its willingness to outcompete private developers in a way that cuts off their ability to access the land they need to build housing on.And I raise these questions in light of the record of this Government when it comes to actually getting houses built on land. I'm lifting up an article about the Unitec development in Auckland. Years and years and no houses. So my question is: why should we have confidence that that Government allocating itself billions to outcompete with private developers will deliver more housing than the market would without taxpayers having to foot the bill?Hon Dr MEGAN WOODS (Minister of Housing): I'm just going to address a couple of things. One is a simple inaccuracy by that member and I think a lack of understanding of how the various funds work. So the fund that was used the Land for Housing fund which was in fact a fund set up under the previous National Government was the fund that was used to purchase the land at Ihumātao. It was nothing to do with Kāinga Ora. It is a fund that is administered for the Ministry of Housing and Urban Development so absolutely nothing to do with Kāinga Ora there.In terms of the question she's asking about the meetings between the Minister of Finance and myself to discuss the continuing governance and setting up an exciting $2 billion fund so we can start doing some property development: yes these happen all the time not just in August. This is an ongoing piece of work that we have Ministers from across Government having conversations on just like I have conversations with the Minister of Transport around a lot of this. We have a group of urban development Ministers and of course the Minister for Infrastructure who is also the Minister of Finance and the Deputy Prime Minister is a critical group of those urban development Ministers that need to be continually talking to each other to make sure that across the massive investment we're making in infrastructure whether it be through three waters whether it be through Waka Kotahi whether it be shovel-ready whether it be the Housing Acceleration Fund we are lining these up. And I'm pleased to say that we are.