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Judicial Matters Bill — Instruction to Committee 
Judicial Matters Bill — Instruction to Committee 
[Volume:617;Page:12863] 
Judicial Matters Bill 
Instruction to Committee 
Hon RICK BARKER (Associate Minister of Justice) 
: 
 I move  
That it be an instruction to the Committee of the whole House on the Judicial Matters Bill that it take the bill part by part. 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the motion be agreed to. 
Ayes 71 
New Zealand Labour 52; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 47 
New Zealand National 26; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8. 
Motion agreed to.
Cullen Michael: Future Directions (Working for Families) Bill — Second Reading 
Cullen Michael: Future Directions (Working for Families) Bill — Second Reading 
[Volume:617;Page:13464] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 That is not how that Standing Order is interpreted. The member knows very well—he has been here a long time—that when he uses that Standing Order he has to quote the words that were used— 
Hon Richard Prebble 
: I just did. 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN 
: —no—and to state that those words were incorrect and not then to engage in an argument as the member did subsequently.
Cullen Michael: Business Statement 
Cullen Michael: Business Statement 
[Volume:620;Page:15527] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 Next week in the House priority will be given to the completion of the remaining stages of the Maori Fisheries Bill and the Electricity and Gas Industries Bill. The Government will also be seeking to make progress on a number of first readings.
Power Simon: Points of Order — Questions for Oral Answer—Deferment 
Power Simon: Points of Order — Questions for Oral Answer—Deferment 
[Volume:625;Page:20525] 
SIMON POWER (National—Rangitikei) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. In support of my colleague’s submission I say that it puts us in an interesting position when the acting Leader of the Opposition has been asked to leave the Chamber and to return only to ask the questions on the sheet when at the same time the very incident that the Minister was asked to withdraw and apologise for has been repeated—in a direct breach of the Standing Orders—by the adding of a qualification at the conclusion of that withdrawal and apology yet that member still remains in the Chamber when the acting Leader of the Opposition has been required to withdraw.
Swain Paul: Tabling of Documents — Spring Hill Corrections Facility 
Swain Paul: Tabling of Documents — Spring Hill Corrections Facility 
[Volume:617;Page:12622] 
Hon PAUL SWAIN (Minister of Corrections) 
: 
 It is not directly to do with the answer but I said I would table a document as part of the answer. I tabled the document. Further work was done and new figures appeared. This amended table is part of the report I released recently. 
Document by leave laid on the Table of the House.
Brownlee Gerry: Ngati Awa Claims Settlement Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Brownlee Gerry: Ngati Awa Claims Settlement Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:623;Page:18723] 
GERRY BROWNLEE (Deputy Leader—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. This is a proper point of order—I am asking for your advice here. If we were to recall the Speaker I assume that the House would then be in session and such leave could be sought and granted. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich) 
: That is correct. If the member does that then that matter could be put to the House and dealt with by the Speaker.
Vote: Corrections Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Procedure 
Vote: Corrections Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:617;Page:13023] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 7; United Future 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Noes 62 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Ron Mark to clause 51 be agreed to: 
to omit clause 51.
Dunne Peter: Personal Explanations — World Trade Organization Meeting Cancun 
Dunne Peter: Personal Explanations — World Trade Organization Meeting Cancun 
[Volume:613;Page:10043] 
Hon PETER DUNNE (Leader—United Future) 
: 
 On 19 September 2003 I addressed this House about the World Trade Organization meeting at Cancun. I made certain allegations about reports of Professor Jane Kelsey that were cited from this House. My comments about Professor Kelsey were incorrect. I accept that Professor Kelsey was present at the meeting’s press centre each day and that she attended various briefings and press conferences throughout the Cancun meeting. I also accept that Professor Kelsey’s reports were based on substantive information and that she did not make them up. I regret the incorrect comments.
Robertson H V Ross: Immigration Amendment Bill (No 2) — Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
Robertson H V Ross: Immigration Amendment Bill (No 2) — Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:609;Page:6767] 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Before we begin I remind members that as this bill has not been to a select committee the title debate will be wider than usual. Members can discuss the bill as a whole though they should not range wider than that.
Peters Winston: Foreshore and Seabed Bill — In Committee Procedure 
Peters Winston: Foreshore and Seabed Bill — In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:621;Page:17138] 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS 
: New Zealand First’s policy is not to sell our resources to foreigners. When the Auckland airport was sold 82 percent of it was sold to New Zealanders. That is way above the 24.9 percent rule. But Nick Smith sold Paraparaumu Airport to one of his mates. That is what he did. Why does he bring out an example that makes him look stupid? One would not use an example that makes one look stupid unless one’s name is Nick Smith. The Auckland airport went to New Zealanders without debt to New Zealanders. At 82 percent it could be said that it was the only privatisation that ever worked and I was responsible for it.  
Hon Dr Nick Smith 
: In favour of privatisation. 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS 
: But I did not sell it to foreigners.
Burton Mark: Radio New Zealand Amendment Bill — In Committee Third Reading 
Burton Mark: Radio New Zealand Amendment Bill — In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:616;Page:12249] 
Hon MARK BURTON (Minister of Defence) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Brownlee Gerry: Electoral (Vacancies) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
Brownlee Gerry: Electoral (Vacancies) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:610;Page:7723] 
GERRY BROWNLEE (NZ National—Ilam) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. We have not had a second call at this point in the debate.
Burton Mark: Debate on Prime Minister’s Statement 
Burton Mark: Debate on Prime Minister’s Statement 
[Volume:623;Page:18384] 
Hon MARK BURTON (Minister of Defence) 
: 
 What a relief to National members it must be—to those aspirants—that Don Brash has an outing only once a year. The casualty rate otherwise would be just too high. 
I think that Don Brash’s ideal portrayal of women was in the Hollywood classic  
The Stepford Wives 
. He wants that notion of women who actually do nothing and make no waves for their leader. 
I want to congratulate Lynda Scott Georgina te Heuheu and Katherine Rich on refusing the demeaning role that he would have them play in the National Party. While we are on congratulations I want to congratulate that leadership aspirant Simon Power. I am told he is the person who convinced Katherine Rich to reconsider her resignation. Well done—he will need the vote when it comes time for his leadership bid. 
What a contrast we had last week between the misery and the backward-looking vision of Dr Brash and the proud positive vision of a strong inclusive New Zealand outlined by our Prime Minister Helen Clark in her state of the nation speech. She described 5 years of achievement by this Government working in cooperation with New Zealanders. Growth is higher than the OECD average for the past 5 years—National does not like that but it is true—more than a quarter of a million new real jobs have been created in just 5 years and unemployment has come down by 44 percent from September 1999 to September 2004. [ 
Interruption 
] Dr Smith can like it or not but crime is at its lowest rate in 21 years. 
I find it particularly interesting that there are 100000 fewer New Zealanders living on benefits—a 23 percent drop. But what was Dr Brash’s greatest ambition? It was 50000 in the same time period. National took 10 years to achieve what this Government has achieved in 5 years Frankly I do not think that Dr Brash and National are even half as good as Labour. We fixed the demolition of apprenticeships by Bill Birch with 7000 new Modern Apprenticeships. Health spending has gone up by 40 percent and education spending has gone up similarly. The Working for Families package benefiting 300000 families is worth over a billion dollars. 
We are looking to the future as well. Labour is continuing to build on that programme in order to move New Zealand forward. We are lifting labour productivity increasing participation rates in the workforce and developing new savings initiatives. We are working with New Zealanders to build a strong inclusive country in which all New Zealanders can participate—a country in which all New Zealanders can take part and of which they can be proud. 
The choice this year as we move into election year is to have an inclusive positive proud country for all New Zealanders or the backward-looking misery of Don Brash.
Vote: Corrections Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Procedure 
Vote: Corrections Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:617;Page:13026] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 7; United Future 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Noes 62 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Tony Ryall to clause 71 be agreed to: 
to omit clause 71.
Franks Stephen: Ngati Awa Claims Settlement Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Franks Stephen: Ngati Awa Claims Settlement Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:623;Page:18733] 
STEPHEN FRANKS (ACT) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I asked for a ruling on the role of the interpreter in this Chamber and what he is here for if not to avoid just this kind of dispute. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich) 
: I am sorry Mr Franks. That ruling on the role of the interpreter was given by the Speaker. 
STEPHEN FRANKS 
: The Speaker gave a ruling on that particular matter. I am now asking why we cannot ask the interpreter in order to stop us from looking as if we are arguing between ourselves on a matter of translation when we are not. We are simply asking to know that the words being used in each provision mean the same thing. I believe that we would all accept the interpreter’s comment but you Mr Chairperson said that we have to accept the Minister’s explanation and that of Mr Tamihere. I asked for a ruling about why we have an interpreter in the Chamber.
Vote: Local Government (Auckland) Amendment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Vote: Local Government (Auckland) Amendment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:618;Page:14040] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That schedule 1 be agreed to. 
Ayes 83 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 36 
New Zealand National 27; ACT New Zealand 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Schedule 1 agreed to.
Vote: Corrections Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Procedure 
Vote: Corrections Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:617;Page:13028] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 7; United Future 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Noes 62 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Tony Ryall to clause 77 be agreed to: 
to omit clause 77.
Robertson H V Ross: Holidays Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Robertson H V Ross: Holidays Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:620;Page:16052] 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I thank the honourable member. The member is of long standing and I appreciate what he had to say. He will also know that the acceptance of a closure is not debatable but I have taken on board what he has said. 
I did not see Mr Williamson calling. I am sorry but my vision was obscured. I will ensure that Mr Williamson is given the opportunity to take part in the debate on the next part.
Barnett Tim: Overseas Investment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
Barnett Tim: Overseas Investment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:626;Page:21570] 
TIM BARNETT (Labour—Christchurch Central) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Cunliffe David: Immigration Amendment Bill (No 2) — Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
Cunliffe David: Immigration Amendment Bill (No 2) — Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:609;Page:6783] 
Hon DAVID CUNLIFFE (Minister of State) 
: I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Vote: Immigration Amendment Bill (No 2) — Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
Vote: Immigration Amendment Bill (No 2) — Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:609;Page:6790] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 60 
Labour 52; United Future 8. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; Green Party 9. 
Motion agreed to.
Vote: Foreshore and Seabed Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Foreshore and Seabed Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:621;Page:17080] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 10 
Green Party 9; Maori Party 1. 
Noes 110 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 8; Progressive 2; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Metiria Turei to clause 48 be agreed to: 
to omit this clause.
Hughes Darren: Maori Television Service Bill — Second Reading 
Hughes Darren: Maori Television Service Bill — Second Reading 
[Volume:607;Page:4920] 
DARREN HUGHES (NZ Labour—Otaki) 
: 
 I am very pleased to speak in support of the second reading of this bill. I believe that it is very good legislation. I congratulate the Hon Parekura Horomia and also members of the Maori caucus and the Maori Affairs Committee on bringing the bill back to the House. This bill is an important bill and the Maori Television Service will be an important part of the cultural flavour of our country. I speak as a younger member for whom te reo Maori and tikanga Maori is not some sort of strange abstract thing. It is something that we have grown up with and something that I think all New Zealanders will enjoy. I do not agree with members who say that this will be divisive between Maori and Pakeha. Within the Pakeha community there are a growing number of people who want to enjoy and understand more of Maori culture and have that intertwined in their life. There is no doubt about that. 
I was very interested to listen to the subscription figures on the radio on Sunday for  
Mana 
 magazine where half of the subscribers to that magazine are Pakeha. This legislation is about New Zealand. It is about two peoples. This is a bicultural bill and I think members will be quite surprised how much support there is in the community for it. I come from a generation that does not need to look at the words of both languages of the anthem of our country. It is something we instinctively know. This legislation is something that members will look on I believe with pride when they cast their votes for it.
Hunt Jonathan: Tabling of Documents — Citizenship (Western Samoa) Act 
Hunt Jonathan: Tabling of Documents — Citizenship (Western Samoa) Act 
[Volume:607;Page:4503] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to table that document. Is there any objection? There is.
Robertson H V Ross: Foreshore and Seabed Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Robertson H V Ross: Foreshore and Seabed Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:621;Page:17099] 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I thank the member. I understand the point that is being made.
Vote: Injury Prevention Rehabilitation and Compensation Amendment Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Injury Prevention Rehabilitation and Compensation Amendment Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:609;Page:6507] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 69 
Labour 52; Green Party 9; United Future 8. 
Noes 44 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 12; ACT New Zealand 5. 
Motion agreed to.
Vote: Courts and Criminal Matters Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Vote: Courts and Criminal Matters Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:626;Page:21733] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 67 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 7; United Future 7; Progressive 2. 
Noes 35 
New Zealand National 18; New Zealand First 12; ACT New Zealand 5. 
Motion agreed to.
Peters Jim: Terrorism Suppression Amendment Bill (No 2) — In Committee Third Reading 
Peters Jim: Terrorism Suppression Amendment Bill (No 2) — In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:626;Page:21649] 
JIM PETERS (NZ First) 
: 
 I wish to speak very briefly in place of my colleague Dail Jones who is unable to be here today to affirm New Zealand First’s support again for this bill in its present form and to note how important it is to this party to make such provisions as the bill makes overall. We have shown particular interest over several years in people who come and go from this country as the House knows and this matter of international and national security is important. 
I have been listening with some interest to the matters discussed in this debate. I have heard the word “red” being used in this House. That takes me back almost 40 years to Professor Robert Chapman in political studies—and the term was becoming outmoded then. I have found it rather strange to hear last night and this morning the term “red” which pertains to a previous world. It is particularly strange when the Prime Minister has just come back from China and when our primary produce sector is dependent on wool and other exports to Russia the former USSR to hear in this House a viewpoint almost frozen in time on what “red” means. 
Certainly this party is in 2005. We are looking at the dangers that exist and that were demonstrated so dramatically by the events of 2001. New Zealand First is looking forward to the passing of a bill that in its amended form ought to give us greater security protection at the border in years to come.
Brown Peter: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Brown Peter: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:608;Page:5837] 
PETER BROWN (Senior Whip—NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I want some clarification before you put that leave. You suggested that the member should read this letter accurately; I am suggesting to you that he should read it fully because to leave chunks out is to distort the accuracy. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: No. I refer the member to Speaker’s ruling 113/5 which states: “In seeking leave to table a document members should not only succinctly describe what is in the document but also sufficiently describe the nature of the document to inform members.” Members will be able to examine the document if it is tabled. 
Document by leave laid on the Table of the House.
Hunt Jonathan: Urgent Debates Declined — Dioxin Contamination Paritutu—Government Response 
Hunt Jonathan: Urgent Debates Declined — Dioxin Contamination Paritutu—Government Response 
[Volume:620;Page:15591] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I have received a letter from Sue Kedgley seeking to debate under Standing Order 373 the finding of above average dioxin levels in 24 Paritutu residents. The full details of this finding were made available after the House met on Thursday so it is a particular case of recent occurrence involving the administrative responsibility of the Government. However the results were anticipated before the House sat last Thursday to the extent that two oral questions on this matter were lodged and answered that day. In those circumstances I am not persuaded that there should be a special debate on it today. The application is declined.
Hide Rodney: State Sector Amendment Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Hide Rodney: State Sector Amendment Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:610;Page:7289] 
RODNEY HIDE (ACT NZ) 
: 
 With this bill we see the true colours of this Government and its attitude to our Parliament the public service and to the New Zealand public. It is all wrapped up in this bill called the “State Sector Amendment Bill”. I heard members from the National Party say that the bill should be called the “Let’s Disempower the State Sector Bill” and we in the ACT party concur with that analysis. The bill could also be called the “Let’s Forget about Parliament Bill”. This bill gives enormous power to the executive without having to come to Parliament because the Prime Minister and her Ministers do not like Parliament. They can sit in their offices away from public view and the gaze of the parliamentary process and make radical changes to our civil service without explanation and without justification. 
We could call this bill the “Let’s Get Rid of Christine Rankin Bill”. That is what it is about—she was too effective too good and too good-looking. 
Progress reported.
Vote: Consumer Protection (Definitions of Goods and Services) Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Consumer Protection (Definitions of Goods and Services) Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:609;Page:6908] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 48 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8. 
Noes 67 
Labour 52; Green Party 7; United Future 8. 
Amendment not agreed to.
Burton Mark: Government Superannuation Fund Amendment Bill (No 2) — Instruction to CommitteeCWH 
Burton Mark: Government Superannuation Fund Amendment Bill (No 2) — Instruction to CommitteeCWH 
[Volume:606;Page:3801] 
Hon MARK BURTON (Deputy Leader of the House) 
: 
 I move  
That it be an instruction to the Committee of the whole House on the Government Superannuation Fund Amendment Bill (No 2) that it take the bill part by part and consider any schedules as one question 
.
Dunne Peter: Christchurch City Council (Robert McDougall Gallery) Land Vesting Bill — Procedure Second Reading 
Dunne Peter: Christchurch City Council (Robert McDougall Gallery) Land Vesting Bill — Procedure Second Reading 
[Volume:611;Page:8797] 
Hon PETER DUNNE (Leader—United Future) 
: 
 With respect that document was tabled under the guise of being the minutes of the Business Committee meeting of yesterday. Your ruling now implies that the document was not the minutes of the Business Committee meeting yesterday. The question that then arises which the House does need to consider is what the status of that document is. It is merely the secretary’s doodlings. It has no official status whatsoever until it is adopted by the committee—and I do dispute your point about relevance in that respect—which comes back to the fact that the Minister sought I thought leave to withdraw his original request and to submit to the House a request for leave to table what are simply the secretary’s notes of a meeting which I think the House might have an entirely different view about accepting.
Vote: Principles of the Treaty of Waitangi Deletion Bill — First Reading 
Vote: Principles of the Treaty of Waitangi Deletion Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:626;Page:21184] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Principles of the Treaty of Waitangi Deletion Bill be now read a first time.  
Ayes 51 
New Zealand National 25; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 5. 
Noes 63 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; Progressive 2; Maori Party 1. 
Motion not agreed to.
Hartley Ann: Te Runanga o Ngati Awa Bill — Procedure In Committee 
Hartley Ann: Te Runanga o Ngati Awa Bill — Procedure In Committee 
[Volume:623;Page:18919] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
:I call the Hon Roger Sowry.
Robertson H V Ross: Resource Management Amendment Bill (No 2) — In Committee 
Robertson H V Ross: Resource Management Amendment Bill (No 2) — In Committee 
[Volume:608;Page:5564] 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I call the honourable member Dail Jones because he has not spoken in this— 
Hon Ken Shirley 
: I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: You can take the point of order Mr Shirley but in reality I have already made the call and under Speaker’s ruling 23/3 that call cannot be taken away. 
Hon Ken Shirley 
: You are anticipating my point of order which is often a dangerous path for a presiding officer to take. My point of order is about a totally different matter. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I am sorry. Will the member please proceed. 
Hon Ken Shirley 
: My point of order is this. As I think you are aware the Speaker gave clear directions to the Business Committee as to how this debate would be handled and I think you were present there as were other presiding officers. Time was to be given reflecting the complexity of this bill. I heard you say you were looking at a list of who had already spoken. My point is this: I am the ACT spokesperson on environmental conservation and energy issues and on a whole lot of other things and given the complexity of this matter and to fulfil the clear understanding that was given I would expect to have more than one call on each of these parts. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I can assure the member that we will do that. In fact Standing Order 178 has been suspended for the rest of this year to enable smaller parties to have more calls. 
Hon Ken Shirley 
: Indeed and in view of that I was wondering why you were consulting a list of who had already spoken because I would have thought there was scope for all here. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I am just trying to look for some sort of proportionality. The honourable member Dail Jones has not spoken and that is why I gave him the call.
Cullen Michael: Urgency 
Cullen Michael: Urgency 
[Volume:627;Page:22203] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I move  
That urgency be accorded the passing through its remaining stages of the Appropriation (2005/06) Estimates Bill; the introduction and passing of the Imprest Supply (Second for 2005/06) Bill; Government notice of motion No. 1; the passing through its remaining stages of the Resource Management and Electricity Legislation Amendment Bill and any bills into which that bill may be divided; and Government notices of motion Nos 2 and 3. 
 This motion is moved so that the House can complete the business the Government wishes to see finished before the House is dissolved for the upcoming general election.
Vote: Public Finance (State Sector Management) Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume 
Vote: Public Finance (State Sector Management) Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Sitting date: 14 December 2004. Volume:622;Page:17872. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 9 
Green Party 9. 
Noes 110 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Rod Donald to clause 17 be agreed to: 
to add to new section 45B(2) the following new paragraphs: 
(d)include a statement of environmental performance that includes but is not limited to a statement of: 
(i)water use 
(ii)energy use 
(iii)waste 
(iv)emissions and discharge 
(v)use of hazardous substances 
(e)include a statement of social performance that includes but is not limited to a statement on: 
(i)staff turnover 
(ii)ethnic and gender representation in management positions 
(iii)stakeholder perceptions 
(iv)community involvement 
(v)pay and employment equity 
(vi)employee health and safety.
Vote: Consumer Protection (Definitions of Goods and Services) Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Consumer Protection (Definitions of Goods and Services) Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:609;Page:6908] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the motion be agreed to. 
Ayes 80 
Labour 52; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 7; United Future 8. 
Noes 35 
New Zealand National 27; ACT New Zealand 8.
Sowry Roger: Electoral (Vacancies) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
Sowry Roger: Electoral (Vacancies) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:610;Page:7729] 
Hon ROGER SOWRY (Deputy Leader—NZ National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. Because of the way we vote now we are not able to determine the reason for parties voting below their number; we have a situation where votes are hidden by that process. With regard to the Labour vote I raise the issue of whether on this legislation the whip is carrying the proxy of Mr Duynhoven. It is important for the House to know whether Mr Duynhoven has a proxy vote. He has been reported in the media in the last few hours as being within the precincts of Parliament—in his office but not coming to the Chamber while this debate is going on. That is a legitimate choice and maybe a wise choice—for him not to take part in the debate. He did appear before the Privileges Committee. But given that this debate is centred on him I seek through you Mr Speaker to find out from the Labour whip who cast a lower number of votes whether he is carrying Mr Duynhoven’s proxy on this legislation.
Vote: Corrections Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Procedure 
Vote: Corrections Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:617;Page:13030] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 7; United Future 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Noes 62 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Tony Ryall to clause 105 be agreed to: 
to omit clause 105.
Hughes Darren: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Hughes Darren: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:614;Page:10443] 
5.  
DARREN HUGHES (Labour—Otaki) 
 to the  
Minister of Defence 
: Has he received any recent updates on current New Zealand Defence Force deployments off shore? 
Hon MARK BURTON (Minister of Defence) 
: 
 Yes. I can tell members that we currently have 480 defence personnel deployed in 17 missions in 12 countries. Major deployments include 17 personnel in Timor-Leste contributing to UN missions 126 with the intervention force in the Solomon Islands and 296 personnel in the Middle East including Afghanistan and Iraq. 
Darren Hughes 
: Given the multilateral nature of these deployments has he received any reports on their effectiveness from the other countries we are working with? 
Hon MARK BURTON 
: Yes. During my recent visit to the United Kingdom the Ministers and defence chiefs whom I met with made it clear to me that we should be proud of the high regard in which our defence personnel are held by their international peers. The high standards of training and the approach to operations are valued and respected by the defence personnel they work alongside.
Cullen Michael: Future Directions (Working for Families) Bill — Second Reading 
Cullen Michael: Future Directions (Working for Families) Bill — Second Reading 
[Volume:617;Page:13464] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 The member raised a perfectly legitimate point of order which was to say that he was misquoted in debate. The remedy a member has under the Standing Orders is to simply rise state what the misquotation was state what the actual statement was and that is the end of the statement the member may make. He may not engage in further argument which is to engage in further debate at that point. It is sufficient to simply state what was said rather than what is claimed to have been said. That is the Standing Order and the ruling on that matter.
Shirley Ken: Urgent Debates Declined — Deed of Settlement—Ngati Awa Defence Cooperation 
Shirley Ken: Urgent Debates Declined — Deed of Settlement—Ngati Awa Defence Cooperation 
[Volume:607;Page:4421] 
Hon KEN SHIRLEY (Deputy Leader—ACT NZ) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I have ruled. 
Hon KEN SHIRLEY 
: I am not sure what advice you sought on this matter but this is perhaps the most significant decision on the structure of our defence forces. It is widely recognised that what was done in 1990 has not worked. We have had some 13 years of dysfunctionality and finally we have a policy announcement of a Government decision— 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The member cannot debate my ruling. He can seek leave to have a debate. That is perfectly within his right. He cannot debate my ruling. 
Hon KEN SHIRLEY 
: I seek leave to have a debate in accordance with the letter I submitted and that you have just read.
Vote: Border Security Bill — Instruction to Committee 
Vote: Border Security Bill — Instruction to Committee 
[Volume:617;Page:13234] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the motion be agreed to. 
Ayes 70 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 47 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 6; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Motion agreed to.
Hartley Ann: Voting — Correction 
Hartley Ann: Voting — Correction 
[Volume:621;Page:16467] 
Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Before I call the next speaker I have a correction to the vote on Stephen Franks’ amendment to the Minister’s referral motion relating to the NgatiTuwharetoa (Bay of Plenty) Claims Settlement Bill. The result should have been announced as Ayes 35 and Noes 84 not 74.
Cullen Michael: Points of Order — Points of Order Raised out of Time Debate on Iraq 
Cullen Michael: Points of Order — Points of Order Raised out of Time Debate on Iraq 
[Volume:606;Page:3786] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I do not often do this but I raised a point of order on the Opposition last week about points of order being raised out of time and late. I said then that I think points of order must be raised at the time the matter occurs. The member clearly is referring to a previous question that was raised. It is now out of time. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: That is right.
Hunt Jonathan: Ngati Awa Claims Settlement Bill — Third Reading 
Hunt Jonathan: Ngati Awa Claims Settlement Bill — Third Reading 
[Volume:624;Page:19339] 
Rt Hon JONATHAN HUNT (Labour) 
: 
 I want to say very briefly that the aim of this bill is to record the acknowledgments and apology given by the Crown to Ngati Awa in the deed of settlement dated 27 March 2003 between the Crown and Ngati Awa and to give effect to the settlement of historical claims as agreed by the Crown and Ngati Awa in that deed. In all the time I have sat in this House I must say that this is a particularly proud moment for Ngati Awa and for the Minister the Hon Parekura Horomia and for those people involved in this bill. I wish everybody all the best for the future.
Vote: Foreshore and Seabed Bill — In Committee Procedure 
Vote: Foreshore and Seabed Bill — In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:621;Page:17142] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment to the amendment be agreed to 
. 
Ayes 11 
Green Party 9; Maori Party 1; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Noes 109 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Amendment to the amendment not agreed to.
Visitors — Delegation from National Assembly of Norway 
Visitors — Delegation from National Assembly of Norway 
[Volume:606;Page:3685] 
Tuesday 25 February 2003 
Mr Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Prayers 
. 
Visitors 
Delegation from National Assembly of Norway 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I have much pleasure in informing the House that members of the Standing Committee on Transport and Communications from the National Assembly of Norway led by Mr Peter Lovik chairman of the committee are present in the gallery. I am sure that members would wish them to be welcomed.
Baldock Larry: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume 
Baldock Larry: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
[Sitting date: 15 October 2003. Volume:612;Page:9183. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
3.  
LARRY BALDOCK (United Future) 
 to the  
Chairperson of the Primary Production Committee 
: When does the committee intend to report back on its inquiry into the administration and management of New Zealand’s scampi fishery? 
Hon DAVID CARTER (Chairperson of the Primary Production Committee): 
 A very conscientious committee is working through a large amount of information. This is a substantial inquiry and I am confident that the committee will deliver a credible and worthwhile report when deliberations are completed. 
Larry Baldock 
: Will the committee’s report on the inquiry into the administration and management of New Zealand’s scampi industry now take top priority on the committee’s agenda in light of the absence of legislation currently before the committee? 
Mr SPEAKER 
: That is a matter for the committee to decide not the chairperson.
Jones Dail: Supreme Court Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Jones Dail: Supreme Court Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:612;Page:8996] 
DAIL JONES (Junior Whip—NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: There is very little to rule on. 
DAIL JONES 
: Could we just take it to the next step? Are we entitled to say that members have the characteristics of Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs and that their behaviour may be like that of Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs?
Benson-Pope David: Immigration Amendment Bill — Instructions to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Benson-Pope David: Immigration Amendment Bill — Instructions to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:611;Page:8293] 
DAVID BENSON-POPE (Senior Whip—NZ Labour) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Shirley Ken: Maori Fisheries Bill — In Committee 
Shirley Ken: Maori Fisheries Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:620;Page:15439] 
Hon KEN SHIRLEY (ACT) 
: 
 I may be able to help. I notice that your ruling was in terms of Standing Order 301(3) but of course that refers to paragraph (1) and Standing Order 301(1) states: “The member in charge of a bill can require that any or all amendments in that member’s name to a provision be put as one question.” In other words it would imply that it is discretionary and not mandatory. In other words the member in charge of the bill—in this instance it would seem to be the Minister as it is in his name—can require that if he so chooses. It is not mandatory. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich) 
: I thank the member for that. The Minister does require that they be taken as one amendment. In response to Mr Tisch’s query I point out that these Standing Orders were changed not too long ago. Standing Order 301(2) is subject to paragraph (3) and that is why I mentioned that we are proceeding under paragraph (3). My advice is that that is the correct procedure and the amendment to new clause 14E was correctly taken after clause 15 and before the Minister’s amendments. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 255 in the name of the Hon David Benson-Pope to Part 1 be agreed to. 
Amendments agreed to.
Vote: Resource Management (Aquaculture Moratorium Extension) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Vote: Resource Management (Aquaculture Moratorium Extension) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:614;Page:10629] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the motion be agreed to. 
Ayes 69 
New Zealand Labour 52; Green Party 9; United Future 8. 
Noes 48 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 7; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Motion agreed to.
Tisch Lindsay: Mercenary Activities (Prohibition) Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Tisch Lindsay: Mercenary Activities (Prohibition) Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:618;Page:14235] 
LINDSAY TISCH (Junior Whip—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. If the member wishes to take another member’s call then she has to seek leave to take up the remaining time available. 
Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Yes. Sue Kedgley you need to seek leave from the House to take the remaining 8 minutes of your party’s call.
Copeland Gordon: Prostitution Reform Bill — In Committee 
Copeland Gordon: Prostitution Reform Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:609;Page:6177] 
GORDON COPELAND (United Future) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I seek clarification of that. I do not understand what leave is being sought to do. Could we please have some explanation? 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I will ask the member to explain it.
Business Statement 
Business Statement 
[Volume:620;Page:15945] 
Thursday 7 October 2004 
Mr Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Prayers 
. 
Business Statement 
Hon MARK BURTON (Acting Leader of the House) 
: 
 Next week in the House priority will be given to the remaining stages of the Electricity and Gas Industries Bill the Holidays Amendment Bill the Employment Relations Law Reform Bill and the first reading of the Education (Establishment of Universities) Amendment Bill. 
GERRY BROWNLEE (Deputy Leader—National) 
: 
 My having noticed the amount of legislation that the Government has on its hands and the relatively slow progress of that legislation and my also having noticed how much legislation is about to come out of select committees that the Government has indicated it wants passed by Christmas I ask whether the House can expect the Government to call for urgency during either this sitting period or the next. 
Hon MARK BURTON (Acting Leader of the House) 
: 
 If the member is making an offer I would be very pleased to meet with him and follow it up. [ 
Interruption 
] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I will not have any remarks made like that. The member will stand up withdraw and apologise. He is very lucky to stay in the House. 
GERRY BROWNLEE (Deputy Leader—National) 
: 
 I withdraw and apologise. I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: It had better not be in relation to that. 
GERRY BROWNLEE 
: It is. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: It had better not be in relation to withdrawing that particular comment. 
GERRY BROWNLEE 
: No of course not. Mr Speaker a number of times you have made it very clear that when we go into this process we should be asking questions that relate strictly to the business of the House and that this is not an occasion for political point-scoring. You have pointed that out a number of times. I wonder whether the Minister given his relevant inexperience in this role might take that advice and just give us a straight answer. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Could the Hon Mark Burton give a straight answer. 
Hon MARK BURTON (Acting Leader of the House) 
: 
 I cannot give the member any indication at this stage of any intended urgency.
Brown Peter: Animal Welfare (Restriction on Docking of Dogs' Tails) Bill — Procedure First Reading 
Brown Peter: Animal Welfare (Restriction on Docking of Dogs' Tails) Bill — Procedure First Reading 
[Volume:621;Page:16366] 
PETER BROWN (Senior Whip—NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. There have been a number of developments as the members well know since that was put to the Business Committee and New Zealand First is not prepared to agree to a split vote unless we get agreement that the names will be tabled—who votes for who votes against and who abstains. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I thank the member. There is no need to explain. The member has sought leave.
Vote: Fisheries Amendment Bill (No 2) — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Vote: Fisheries Amendment Bill (No 2) — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:616;Page:11700] 
A party vote 
Ayes 9 
Green Party 9. 
Noes 111 
New Zealand Labour 52; New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 8; Progressive 2; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
was called for on the question That the amendment be agreed to. 
Amendment not agreed to and Part 2 agreed to.
Catchpole Brent: Consumer Protection (Definitions of Goods and Services) Bill — In Committee 
Catchpole Brent: Consumer Protection (Definitions of Goods and Services) Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:609;Page:6903] 
BRENT CATCHPOLE (NZ First) 
: I have been listening to Tony Ryall talking about computer software. He referred to the 1908 Act although I am sure computer software was not around then. However he is certainly right with his description. One buys only the licence to use computer software; one does not actually buy the physical property. Computer programs are intellectual property. One never has the right to own that intellectual property; one buys the licence to use it. Under the licence to use it we are not allowed to resell that individual licence on to anybody else once it has been purchased from the supplier. So it cannot be a physical good and I believe that it does not fit into this particular part of the legislation. The officials should have considered the matter when they were looking at the whole measure. I admit that we should have spotted it in the Commerce Committee. However in summary under the Sale of Goods Act computer software is not a physical good and it cannot be passed or sold on to somebody else. One does not have the right to sell it on. So how could it possibly be a good? A good is something that one physically has.
Appropriation (2003/04 Supplementary Estimates) Bill — First Reading 
Appropriation (2003/04 Supplementary Estimates) Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:618;Page:13741] 
Appropriation (2003/04 Supplementary Estimates) Bill 
First Reading 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Minister of Finance) 
: 
 I move  
That the Appropriation (2003/04 Supplementary Estimates) Bill be now read a first time. 
Bill read a first time.
Hunt Jonathan: Budget Debate 
Hunt Jonathan: Budget Debate 
[Volume:618;Page:13740] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The next amendment is in the name of the Rt Hon Winston Peters.
Hunt Jonathan: Points of Order — Presentation of Report of Privileges Committee 
Hunt Jonathan: Points of Order — Presentation of Report of Privileges Committee 
[Volume:610;Page:7637] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: No there are not. Mr Duynhoven has not broken any law.