Whaitiri MekaMEKA WHAITIRI (Labour—Ikaroa-Rāwhiti): I would like to take a short call on the Land Transport Amendment Bill (No 2). I acknowledge that I am not a member of the Transport and Industrial Relations Committee but just to remind us the bill attempts to improve the regulation and support the efficiency and safety of land transport. There are six parts: reducing repeat drink-driving offences by strengthening the legislation; giving enforcement officers other than the police new powers; reducing the incidence of drivers who fail to stop for the police; updating the heavy vehicle regulations to align with recent changes to the land transport rule; updating the regulatory system for smaller passenger services to ensure that it is responding to emerging technology; and the sixth one making minor amendments to the Land Transport Act to clarify interpretations of the legislation and improve its operation.In terms of Part 1 I just want to draw the attention of the Minister in the chair Simon Bridges to Subpart 2 Fare evasion" and to make some observations. We have got clause 29 where it talks about "Penalties for failure to pay passenger service fares" replacing section 79M "Penalties for failure to pay service fares etc". I am assuming that when we talk about "etc." under this particular provision we are talking about buses taxis airplanes ferries trains and whatever comes under "pay service fares".When I read this particular clause—and the Minister perhaps can answer this probably when we come back—I have three questions. One is that when I read this particular clause I immediately say: "How this is to be implemented?". How are we going to have enforcement officers across all those public transports? It is an interesting point but I would like to be really clear as to how this is going to be implemented and who is actually going to pay the cost. Who is actually going to pay the enforcement officers to be on the planes be on the trains or be on the taxis? I just think it is a legitimate question to ask—how this is going to be applied across those particular pay service fares—because—The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Chester Borrows): I am sorry to interrupt the member but the time has come for us to adjourn for the dinner break. She will have 2 minutes and 44 seconds remaining when she comes back.Sitting suspended from 6 p.m. to 7.30 p.m.MEKA WHAITIRI: When we broke for dinner I was addressing Part 1 Subpart 2 "Fare evasion" and talking about clause 29 "Penalties for failure to pay passenger service fares" which replaces section 79M "Penalties for failure to pay service fares etc". The question I was seeking clarification about from the Minister in the chair was assuming that "pay service fares etc" included transportation like buses taxis airplanes ferries trains and any other passenger-paying service and the question I was proposing before we broke was one around implementation about the practicality. This is because in clause 29 of Subpart 2 on fare evasion it talks about the appointment of powers to an enforcement officer to ensure people who are riding on these particular public services pay their fare.So the question to the Minister in the chair is around just the practicality of how this is actually going to be enforced and who is going to pay these enforcement officers—really just trying to get some clarification from the Minister. Did we consider the kind of cost that maybe the businesses the transportation entities would have to face by giving these extended powers of enforcement?But I would also like to get some clarification if we look at Subparts 2 and 3 because they talk about the penalties in subsections 5 and 6 of new section 79M as inserted by clause 29. I just seek clarification from the Minister because when you read new section 75M(2)(b) it talks about "fails to provide (in response to an enforcement officer's direction given in accordance with section 128F(1)) evidence of having paid the fare." and then when you go down to subsection (3)(a) it repeats that: "fails to provide (in response to an enforcement officer's direction given in accordance with section 128F(2)(a)) …". The reason why there could potentially be confusion there is that the penalty related to subsection (2)(a) if you break this is a fine of $200 and the penalty targeted to subsection (3)(a) is $1000."