Logie JanJAN LOGIE (Green): Thank you Madam Chair. It's a pleasure to take a short call in the committee stage of this bill and I guess I'd like to pick up from the previous speaker Jacqui Dean and talk a little bit to the 90-day trial provisions in this legislation. It did interest me you know the view that research from chatting to some people around the regions should be considered in the same light as peer-reviewed research from a quite well-respected economic thinktank. That's unusual but I guess this House has places for many voices. I do want to just put the point though that what we've heard is that employers are telling us their feeling is that they wouldn't employ these people unless there was the 90-day trial—you know that these people wouldn't be given a chance unless there was this ability to get rid of them in 90 days if the employer didn't like them. But actually before the 90-day trials were put into law people were given a chance for their first jobs. All of us in this House—before we'd been employed somebody gave us the chance and employed us. That's just a dynamic that happens. If you need a worker and you need a job done then you look at people and you employ them and you take a chance on them because even if you've got lots of experience there's a chance there. But equally the employee is taking a chance on the employer that it's going to be a respectful workplace where they're able to contribute and not be treated badly. You know we take chances on both sides of that and that's just how it works. We've heard this view that employers wouldn't give these jobs out unless there was this incentive but that's not borne out by the research—it's just not. On the other side—and this is where I do think there are limitations on the research—the research is saying Well actually we're not sure that it's doing any harm either." but that's looking at specific measures from what I heard from the Minister saying that it's not necessarily making employment less stable. So that's looking at it across the system. We've heard from employers a perception but we've heard from people who were fired because of the 90-day rule. We've heard that from professionals and we've heard that from people in entry-level jobs right throughout the system. There was a very powerful submission from a member of the Public Service Association who was a National Party member—or a supporter if not a member—who said that he had previously supported this legislation but as a professional who had been let go without any reason whatsoever under the 90-day trial he'd actually had a first-hand experience of this policy that was not favourable for him or his family. He'd been lucky enough to be able to walk into another job afterwards but he warned this House against this provision from experience and he was not somebody who initially had any view on this. So I do think we do need to hold back and that's why the Green Party doesn't support the 90-day trials at all. Our preference which we've said all along would be to get rid of it altogether because we don't believe it helps anyone. We've come to a negotiation. We think this is absolutely an advance on where we're at the moment and there's no doubt about that. But it's not where we would have gone if we were developing the law ourselves. We think that this still provides a level of uncertainty and particularly for me the concern is that when we have to do so much more to improve health and safety in our workplaces this has a chilling impact on people being up to speak up and alert their employer—[Time expired]"