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Points of Order — Parliamentary Press Gallery—Parliamentary Complex 
Points of Order — Parliamentary Press Gallery—Parliamentary Complex 
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Wednesday 28 March 2007 
Madam Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Prayers 
. 
Points of Order 
Parliamentary Press Gallery—Parliamentary Complex 
Hon PETER DUNNE (Leader—United Future) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. I note from a media report last night that you indicated you had some sympathy for Mr Nick Wang and the concerns he had over his treatment here on Monday and that you were going to meet the Commissioner of Police to discuss protocols governing such situations. I wonder whether you could advise the House firstly whether such a meeting has taken place and if so what was the outcome; and secondly when such a meeting does take place whether you will indicate to the House what has transpired so that we can all know what the rules are for the future. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: I thank the member. I am writing to the Commissioner of Police to arrange a meeting and of course the House will be kept fully informed. 
KEITH LOCKE (Green) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. Following on from that I have a couple of other matters to raise. I understand from your press release that you will also be writing to the Chinese Embassy to explain the protocols surrounding the conduct of this House and free speech or something along those lines. Could you clarify that? Secondly one issue of concern that has come out of looking at the tape of the incident on Monday is a question mark over who gives accreditation to press gallery journalists—whether the police have the powers to give accreditation and take it away as the police officer seemed to indicate or whether that is the function of the Speaker. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: In addressing the member’s points I shall be contacting the Chinese Ambassador merely to inform him of the process and the rules. And of course it is not the police who give accreditation to the press gallery; it is the Speaker.
Vote: Supplementary Estimates2006/07Appropriation (2006/07 Supplementary Estimates) Bill — Imprest Supply DebateImprest Supply (First for 2007/08) Bill 
Vote: Supplementary Estimates2006/07Appropriation (2006/07 Supplementary Estimates) Bill — Imprest Supply DebateImprest Supply (First for 2007/08) Bill 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Imprest Supply (First for 2007/08) Bill be now read a second time. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; United Future 2; Progressive 1; Independents: Copeland Field. 
Noes 50 
New Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 2. 
Abstentions 10 
Green Party 6; Maori Party 4. 
Bill read a second time.
Vote: Supplementary Estimates2006/07Appropriation (2006/07 Supplementary Estimates) Bill — Imprest Supply DebateImprest Supply (First for 2007/08) Bill 
Vote: Supplementary Estimates2006/07Appropriation (2006/07 Supplementary Estimates) Bill — Imprest Supply DebateImprest Supply (First for 2007/08) Bill 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Appropriation (2006/07 Supplementary Estimates) Bill be now read a second time. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; United Future 2; Progressive 1; Independents: Copeland Field. 
Noes 50 
New Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 2. 
Abstentions 10 
Green Party 6; Maori Party 4. 
Bill read a second time.
Hughes Darren: Supplementary Estimates2006/07Appropriation (2006/07 Supplementary Estimates) Bill — Imprest Supply DebateImprest Supply (First for 2007/08) Bill 
Hughes Darren: Supplementary Estimates2006/07Appropriation (2006/07 Supplementary Estimates) Bill — Imprest Supply DebateImprest Supply (First for 2007/08) Bill 
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DARREN HUGHES (Labour—Otaki) 
: 
 I seek leave to table an extract from the  
Nelson Mail 
 where Nick Smith says that one of the problems in Parliament today is MPs indulging in too much personal abuse. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Ann Hartley) 
: Leave is sought to table that document. Is there any objection? There is objection.
Wilson Margaret: Election of Speaker 
Wilson Margaret: Election of Speaker 
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Madam SPEAKER-ELECT 
: Before I adjourn the House I think it is appropriate that we all stand for a minute’s silence in memory of Rod Donald the co-leader of the Green Party. 
Honourable members stood as a mark of respect.
Anderton Jim: Election of Speaker 
Anderton Jim: Election of Speaker 
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Hon JIM ANDERTON (Leader—Progressive) 
: 
 On behalf of the Progressive party I offer warm congratulations on your re-election as Speaker and best wishes for a successful term. I have always thought having shared with you the trials and tribulations of chairing boisterous Labour Party conferences during the 1980s that chairing Parliament would be a piece of cake and so it has turned out to be.
Hide Rodney: Election of Speaker 
Hide Rodney: Election of Speaker 
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RODNEY HIDE (Leader—ACT) 
: 
 On behalf of the ACT caucus I rise to support the office and to congratulate you on your unanimous election. I thank you for your very kind words on Rod Donald and use that opportunity to remind you that you represent every member of this House. For the Parliament to work well–which is what we all wish for–it is important that the Opposition parties in particular get a good fair go and I know that you will provide that. More particularly in this era of MMP it is important that the smaller parties get a fair go and by that I particularly mean the Green Party the Maori Party and the ACT party. While the other parties are all in Government I look forward to your making sure of that and to your representations on our behalf.
Dunne Peter: Election of Speaker 
Dunne Peter: Election of Speaker 
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Hon PETER DUNNE (Leader—United Future) 
: 
 Madam Speaker-Elect on behalf of United Future I want to offer our congratulations to you on your re-election to be our presiding officer. In the 8 months that you have held this very distinguished role you have dedicated yourself to the House. You have shown a firmness and a commitment that has been admired now that it is generally understood by members and I expect that in the next 3 years that will be enhanced. You will face some challenges. Standing Order 102 for instance and its interpretation will be one that many members from the smaller parties in this House will be looking to with some interest. But we wish you well and we are confident in your success.
Turia Tariana: Election of Speaker 
Turia Tariana: Election of Speaker 
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TARIANA TURIA (Co-Leader—Maori Party) 
: 
 Madam Speaker-Elect the Maori Party wishes to offer our congratulations to you and we know that you will be fair and just in the House.
Fitzsimons Jeanette: Election of Speaker 
Fitzsimons Jeanette: Election of Speaker 
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JEANETTE FITZSIMONS (Co-Leader—Green) 
: 
 Madam Speaker-Elect on behalf of the Greens—not just the five of us here today but also my late colleague Rod Donald—I offer our congratulations and our support for this coming term. Thank you for the kind words you said about Rod. He was a dedicated parliamentarian. He enjoyed working with you in your previous term and he was enthusiastic about your re-election. We wish you the patience the tolerance the sense of humour and the judgment to do this demanding job and I know that you will have those.
Peters Winston: Election of Speaker 
Peters Winston: Election of Speaker 
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Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 Madam Speaker-Elect New Zealand First members wish to offer our support for the office of Speaker to tender our congratulations to you personally to suggest our ongoing cooperation in respect of your office and all those who preside in this Parliament and to wish you the very best for the next 3 years.
Brash Don: Election of Speaker 
Brash Don: Election of Speaker 
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Dr DON BRASH (Leader of the Opposition) 
: 
 Madam Speaker-Elect may I add the best wishes and congratulations from the Opposition parties on your election as Speaker. You and I go back a very long way. Perhaps you think of the time when you nominated me as Governor of the Reserve Bank; I think even further back to when we were along with Helen Elizabeth Clark and Dr Bruce Hucker members of the Auckland committee on unemployment. So we go back a long way. I hold you in very high esteem and have held you in very high esteem throughout that period. 
This Parliament is much more evenly divided than perhaps the last Parliament was between the left and the right and that will I guess test your skills and judgment. But we wish you very well. We are confident that you will in fact arbitrate and mediate—“adjudicate” perhaps is the right word—this House and we wish you every success in doing that.
Clark Helen: Election of Speaker 
Clark Helen: Election of Speaker 
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Rt Hon HELEN CLARK (Prime Minister) 
: 
 Madam Speaker-Elect I rise to congratulate you on your re-election as Speaker. It is only 8 months since you were installed as Parliament’s 28th Speaker and at that time you became the first woman Speaker of the New Zealand House of Representatives. You came to the role after not only more than 5 years as a senior Minister including serving as Attorney-General but also a very distinguished career in the law in education and in public life. At the time of your first election as Speaker in March I said that you had been a pioneer for women in the law in education and in Government office that you had achieved every position you had ever held on merit and because of your tenacity and determination to succeed in whatever you take on. I said then that I thought those characteristics would serve you very well in your term as Speaker as indeed they have. 
There was the anticipated settling-in period when members did test your patience and your tolerance and as you set the boundaries for members’ conduct consistent with the Standing Orders and Speakers’ rulings. And members did indeed find out that you had a very good sense of humour and a keen sense of irony to boot. 
MMP Parliaments are a different beast from those that were elected under first past the post. Not only are there more MPs—and it was once quipped that MMP meant “many more MPs”—but there are also more parties. As Speaker you strive to see that justice is done to all from the largest to the smallest. On occasion that would require the wisdom of Solomon and I have no doubt that exercise of such judgment will be called upon by you in this term. 
Madam Speaker-Elect in the few months you served as Speaker in the last Parliament you did gain the respect of members I believe across the parties as a firm but fair Chair of the business of the House. That has played no small part in the unanimous support for your re-election today. I congratulate you once again on your election and wish you well for the parliamentary term ahead.
Wilson Margaret: Election of Speaker 
Wilson Margaret: Election of Speaker 
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Madam SPEAKER-ELECT 
: Honourable members of the House of Representatives may I thank you for the honour and privilege you have done me in electing me as Speaker. In this election I follow a line of distinguished men who have held this office. I am in fact the 28th Speaker to be so elected by our House of Representatives. 
New Zealand has a long and proud tradition of parliamentary Government. We are in fact one of the longest continuously operating national legislatures in the world. The strength of our parliamentary democracy has been the flexible way in which it is responsive to the will of the people. New Zealand is one of only three countries that do not have a written constitution yet this lack of a formal document has not prevented us enjoying stable government. The reason for this remarkable achievement is undoubtedly complex and the subject of academic research. Two factors however stand out. Firstly the people of New Zealand value their Parliament and actively participate through elections select committees and public comment in its performance. Secondly those elected to represent the people in Parliament respect and understand the trust that has been placed in them. Rod Donald who tragically died on the weekend understood better than most what that trust meant and he dedicated his parliamentary life to the service of the people he represented. His parliamentary service is an example to us all. 
It is the role of the Speaker to ensure that the business of Parliament is conducted in an orderly manner so that it is fair to all parties represented in this House. I follow in the path of many distinguished speakers none more so than Sir Charles Clifford the first Speaker who set the standard for all those who were to follow him. He was said to have combined ability firmness and impartiality with dignity and good temper. I shall endeavour to be a worthy successor in that tradition. 
As the Speaker-Elect I will soon obey the instruction and go to the Governor-General at 4.30 p.m. I invite those of you who can do so to accompany me there.
Wilson Margaret: Election of Speaker 
Wilson Margaret: Election of Speaker 
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Hon MARGARET WILSON (Labour) 
: 
 I nominate myself for Speaker. 
Margaret Anne Wilson was elected as Speaker.
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But since it is necessary that a Speaker of the House of Representatives be first chosen Her Excellency requests that you members of Parliament now proceed to choose one of your members to fill that high and important office and that having chosen that person you present that person at 4.30 pm today 7 November 2005 at the Government House at Wellington for Her Excellency’s confirmation. 
The Commissioners then withdrew.
Event: Members Sworn 
Event: Members Sworn 
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Members Sworn 
David Graham McGee 
 Clerk of the House of Representatives a Commissioner appointed to administer the oath to members did administer the Oath or Affirmation of Allegiance to the following members which being done they took their seats in the House: James Patrick Anderton Philip Shane Ardern Christopher John Auchinvole Richard John Barker Timothy Andrew Barnett David Allister Bennett Paula Lee Bennett David Henry Benson-Pope Georgina Beyer Jacqueline Diane Blue Mark Herbert Blumsky Kerry James Borrows Susan Bradford Donald Thomas Brash Peter Alfred Brown Gerard Anthony Brownlee Richard Mark Burton Christopher Joseph Carter David Cunningham Carter John McGregor Carter Stephanie Anne Chadwick Ashraf Choudhary Helen Elizabeth Clark Robert Moncrieff Clarkson Jonathan David Coleman Judith Anne Collins Brian David Connell Gordon Frank Copeland Clayton James Cosgrove Michael John Cullen David Richard Cunliffe Lianne Audrey Dalziel Jacqueline Isobel Dean Brian John Donnelly Peter Francis Dunne Harry James Duynhoven Ruth Suzanne Dyson Simon William English Elwin Russell Fairbrother Darien Elizabeth Fenton Taito Phillip Field Christopher Francis Finlayson Jeanette Mary Fitzsimons Te Ururoa Flavell Craig Raymond Robert Foss Martin Owen Gallagher Philip Bruce Goff Joanne Gay Goodhew Mark James Gosche Sandra Anne Goudie Timothy John Groser Allen Nathan Guy Hone PaniTamati Waka Nene Harawira Margaret Ann Hartley George Warren Hawkins John Bernard Hayes Philip Reeve Heatley Raymond Tau Henare David Murray Hereora Rodney Philip Hide Marian Leslie Hobbs Peter Colin Hodgson Parekura Tureia Horomia Darren Colyn Hughes Charles Paul Telford Hutchison Shane Geoffrey Jones Susan Jane Kedgley John Phillip Key Annette Faye King Colin McDonald King Winifred Alexandra Laban Keith James Locke Moana Lynore Mackey Steven Maharey Nanaia CybeleMahuta Trevor Colin Mallard Wayne Daniel Mapp Ron Stanley Mark Murray Stuart McCully Suzanne Mary Moroney Damien Peter O’Connor Mahara Okeroa RewitiPomareKingi Paraone David William Parker Allan Frederick Peachey Winston Raymond Peters Marjorie Jill Pettis Barbara Lynne Pillay Simon James Power Katherine Rich Michael Mita Ririnui Harold Valentine Ross Robertson Eric Wilbur Roy Heather Jean Roy Anthony Boyd Williams Ryall Dover Spencer Peneha Samuels Pita Russell Sharples Clem Rudolph Simich Alexander Lockwood Smith Nick Smith Barbara Joy Stewart Maryan Street Paul Desmond Swain Georgina Manunui te Heuheu William Lindsay Tisch Judith Ngaire Tizard Anne Merrilyn Tolley Christopher James Tremain Metiria Leanne Agnes Stanton Turei Tariana Turia Judith Anne Turner Nicola Joanne Wagner Catherine Joan Wilkinson Maurice Donald Williamson Margaret Anne Wilson Robert Douglas Woolerton Richard Westwood Worth Dianne Fae Yates.
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We have it in command from Her Excellency the Governor-General to inform you that on 8 November 2005 at 2.00 pm Her Excellency the Governor-General will declare to you in person the cause of her summoning this Parliament to meet.
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Members of the House of Representatives:
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GOD SAVE THE QUEEN! 
The Chief Commissioner then said:
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Helen Clark Prime Minister
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Given under the hand of Her Excellency the Governor-General and issued under the Seal of New Zealand on 27 October 2005.
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Now therefore pursuant to section 18 of the Constitution Act 1986 I The Honourable Dame Silvia Cartwright Governor-General of New Zealand summon the Parliament of New Zealand to meet in the Parliament House in the City of Wellington at 2.00 pm on 7 November 2005.
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And whereas I have thought fit to summon it to meet on an earlier day:
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Whereas by Proclamation published on 12 August 2005 the Parliament of New Zealand was summoned to meet on 18 November 2005:
Members Sworn 
Members Sworn 
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Members Sworn 
David Graham McGee 
 Clerk of the House of Representatives a Commissioner appointed to administer the oath to members did administer the Oath or Affirmation of Allegiance to the following members which being done they took their seats in the House: James Patrick Anderton Philip Shane Ardern Christopher John Auchinvole Richard John Barker Timothy Andrew Barnett David Allister Bennett Paula Lee Bennett David Henry Benson-Pope Georgina Beyer Jacqueline Diane Blue Mark Herbert Blumsky Kerry James Borrows Susan Bradford Donald Thomas Brash Peter Alfred Brown Gerard Anthony Brownlee Richard Mark Burton Christopher Joseph Carter David Cunningham Carter John McGregor Carter Stephanie Anne Chadwick Ashraf Choudhary Helen Elizabeth Clark Robert Moncrieff Clarkson Jonathan David Coleman Judith Anne Collins Brian David Connell Gordon Frank Copeland Clayton James Cosgrove Michael John Cullen David Richard Cunliffe Lianne Audrey Dalziel Jacqueline Isobel Dean Brian John Donnelly Peter Francis Dunne Harry James Duynhoven Ruth Suzanne Dyson Simon William English Elwin Russell Fairbrother Darien Elizabeth Fenton Taito Phillip Field Christopher Francis Finlayson Jeanette Mary Fitzsimons Te Ururoa Flavell Craig Raymond Robert Foss Martin Owen Gallagher Philip Bruce Goff Joanne Gay Goodhew Mark James Gosche Sandra Anne Goudie Timothy John Groser Allen Nathan Guy Hone PaniTamati Waka Nene Harawira Margaret Ann Hartley George Warren Hawkins John Bernard Hayes Philip Reeve Heatley Raymond Tau Henare David Murray Hereora Rodney Philip Hide Marian Leslie Hobbs Peter Colin Hodgson Parekura Tureia Horomia Darren Colyn Hughes Charles Paul Telford Hutchison Shane Geoffrey Jones Susan Jane Kedgley John Phillip Key Annette Faye King Colin McDonald King Winifred Alexandra Laban Keith James Locke Moana Lynore Mackey Steven Maharey Nanaia CybeleMahuta Trevor Colin Mallard Wayne Daniel Mapp Ron Stanley Mark Murray Stuart McCully Suzanne Mary Moroney Damien Peter O’Connor Mahara Okeroa RewitiPomareKingi Paraone David William Parker Allan Frederick Peachey Winston Raymond Peters Marjorie Jill Pettis Barbara Lynne Pillay Simon James Power Katherine Rich Michael Mita Ririnui Harold Valentine Ross Robertson Eric Wilbur Roy Heather Jean Roy Anthony Boyd Williams Ryall Dover Spencer Peneha Samuels Pita Russell Sharples Clem Rudolph Simich Alexander Lockwood Smith Nick Smith Barbara Joy Stewart Maryan Street Paul Desmond Swain Georgina Manunui te Heuheu William Lindsay Tisch Judith Ngaire Tizard Anne Merrilyn Tolley Christopher James Tremain Metiria Leanne Agnes Stanton Turei Tariana Turia Judith Anne Turner Nicola Joanne Wagner Catherine Joan Wilkinson Maurice Donald Williamson Margaret Anne Wilson Robert Douglas Woolerton Richard Westwood Worth Dianne Fae Yates.
Commission Opening of Parliament 
Commission Opening of Parliament 
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Monday 7 November 2005 
Commission Opening of Parliament 
By proclamation issued on 7 November 2005 the forty-eighth Parliament was summoned to meet and it met for the dispatch of business at 2 p.m. on Monday 7 November 2005. 
The Gentleman Usher of the Black Rod announced the arrival of Her Majesty’s Commissioners. The bar was raised and the Commissioners took their places at the head of the table. 
The Right Honourable Dame Sian Elias Dame Grand Companion of the New Zealand Order of Merit Chief Justice of New Zealand the ChiefCommissioner said:  
Members of the House of Representatives: 
Her Excellency the Governor-General not thinking fit to be present here this day in person has been pleased in relation to the opening of the Forty-Eighth Parliament of New Zealand to cause Letters Patent to be passed under the Seal of New Zealand constituting us 
The Right Honourable Dame Sian Elias Dame Grand Companion of The New Zealand Order of Merit Chief Justice of New Zealand 
The Honourable Noel Crossley Anderson Distinguished Companion of the New Zealand Order of Merit President of the Court of Appeal of New Zealand and  
The Honourable Anthony Penrose Randerson Chief High Court Judge of New Zealand 
to be Her Majesty’s Commissioners to do all things in Her Majesty’s name necessary to be performed at the opening of this Parliament. This will more fully appear by the Letters Patent themselves which must now be read. 
The Letters Patent were then read by the Clerk of the House of Representatives. 
The Proclamation summoning Parliament was then read by the Chief Commissioner as follows: 
SILVIA CARTWRIGHT Governor-General 
A PROCLAMATION 
Whereas by Proclamation published on 12 August 2005 the Parliament of New Zealand was summoned to meet on 18 November 2005: 
And whereas I have thought fit to summon it to meet on an earlier day: 
Now therefore pursuant to section 18 of the Constitution Act 1986 I The Honourable Dame Silvia Cartwright Governor-General of New Zealand summon the Parliament of New Zealand to meet in the Parliament House in the City of Wellington at 2.00 pm on 7 November 2005. 
Given under the hand of Her Excellency the Governor-General and issued under the Seal of New Zealand on 27 October 2005. 
Helen Clark Prime Minister 
GOD SAVE THE QUEEN! 
The Chief Commissioner then said: 
Members of the House of Representatives: 
We have it in command from Her Excellency the Governor-General to inform you that on 8 November 2005 at 2.00 pm Her Excellency the Governor-General will declare to you in person the cause of her summoning this Parliament to meet. 
But since it is necessary that a Speaker of the House of Representatives be first chosen Her Excellency requests that you members of Parliament now proceed to choose one of your members to fill that high and important office and that having chosen that person you present that person at 4.30 pm today 7 November 2005 at the Government House at Wellington for Her Excellency’s confirmation. 
The Commissioners then withdrew.
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A PROCLAMATION
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SILVIA CARTWRIGHT Governor-General
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to be Her Majesty’s Commissioners to do all things in Her Majesty’s name necessary to be performed at the opening of this Parliament. This will more fully appear by the Letters Patent themselves which must now be read. 
The Letters Patent were then read by the Clerk of the House of Representatives. 
The Proclamation summoning Parliament was then read by the Chief Commissioner as follows:
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The Honourable Anthony Penrose Randerson Chief High Court Judge of New Zealand
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The Honourable Noel Crossley Anderson Distinguished Companion of the New Zealand Order of Merit President of the Court of Appeal of New Zealand and
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The Right Honourable Dame Sian Elias Dame Grand Companion of The New Zealand Order of Merit Chief Justice of New Zealand
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Her Excellency the Governor-General not thinking fit to be present here this day in person has been pleased in relation to the opening of the Forty-Eighth Parliament of New Zealand to cause Letters Patent to be passed under the Seal of New Zealand constituting us
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Members of the House of Representatives:
Vote: Reinstatement of Business 
Vote: Reinstatement of Business 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the motion be agreed to. 
Ayes 71 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 5; Maori Party 4; United Future 3; ACT New Zealand 2; Progressive 1. 
Noes 47 
New Zealand National 47. 
Motion agreed to.
Vote: Reinstatement of Business 
Vote: Reinstatement of Business 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 47 
New Zealand National 47. 
Noes 71 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 5; Maori Party 4; United Future 3; ACT New Zealand 2; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to.
Wilson Margaret: Reinstatement of Business 
Wilson Margaret: Reinstatement of Business 
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Madam SPEAKER 
: I now put the amendment to the motion; that the motion be amended by excluding the following bills: the Arms Amendment Bill (No 3) the Climate Change Response Amendment Bill the Courts and Criminal Matters Bill the Legal Services Amendment Bill (No 2) the Human Rights (Gender Identity) Amendment Bill the Employment Relations (Flexible Working Hours) Amendment Bill the Rail Network Bill and the Police Amendment Bill (No 2).
Vote: Reinstatement of Business 
Vote: Reinstatement of Business 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 69 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 5; Maori Party 4; United Future 3; Progressive 1. 
Noes 49 
New Zealand National 47; ACT New Zealand 2. 
Motion agreed to. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: I shall now put the amendment to the amendment. The question is that the motion be amended by excluding all bills except for the following: the Law Practitioners (Corporatisation) Amendment Bill the Gisborne District Council (Alfred Cox Park) Validation Bill the Kerikeri National Trust Bill and the Manfield Park Bill.
Barnett Tim: Reinstatement of Business 
Barnett Tim: Reinstatement of Business 
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TIM BARNETT (Senior Whip—Labour) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Copeland Gordon: Reinstatement of Business 
Copeland Gordon: Reinstatement of Business 
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GORDON COPELAND (United Future) 
: 
 I would like to go back to the point we were debating which is the amendment proposed by Gerry Brownlee to the reinstatement motion. I remind the House that as the Leader of the House said when introducing the motion this is the first time under the new Standing Orders that we have adopted the procedure of reinstating business. I for one do not want to see the House start off on the wrong foot when it comes to including members’ bills in amendments to that motion. 
The House tends to develop and operate on the basis of conventions. Today we are at the birth of a new convention in relation to the reinstatement of business. I believe we should start on the right foot by deciding that our convention should be that members’ bills will always be reinstated. The exception would be of course when the party to which the member who introduced the bill belonged no longer remains in Parliament following an election. In other words if there is no practical way of carrying that bill forward it would be a different situation. But with that single exception I believe we should decide here today as a Parliament on a convention of reinstating members’ bills. 
After all members’ bills are the bills of members. They are not part of the Government’s programme. They are quite separate and distinct from that under a different category. So I think it would be wise for Parliament and in particular the National Party to reflect on that and to ask whether we want to begin this Parliament by deciding in this first reinstatement motion to exclude a member’s bill when the member who introduced that bill is still here to continue to promote it during its passage through the House.
Smith Nick: Reinstatement of Business 
Smith Nick: Reinstatement of Business 
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Hon Dr NICK SMITH (National—Nelson) 
: 
 I seek the leave of the House to table the  
Sunday Star-Times 
 article in which the Prime Minister stated that the very bill that the member has spoken about was dead. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to table that newspaper article. Is there any objection? There is. It will not be tabled.
Beyer Georgina: Reinstatement of Business 
Beyer Georgina: Reinstatement of Business 
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GEORGINA BEYER (Labour) 
: 
 I do not support the National Party’s amendment to this motion. The co-leader of the Green Party is correct; there is a member’s bill here. It is my bill—the Human Rights (Gender Identity) Amendment Bill. 
Hon Dr Nick Smith 
: The Prime Minister says it’s gone. 
GEORGINA BEYER 
: It has not been voted on by this Parliament yet. It was put forward for first reading in the last Parliament. At the end of the day it will be my decision what happens to the bill. Whether it stays in or out is my decision. I do not believe that the process that Gerry Brownlee and the National Party are trying to institute is right. It is undemocratic and I would expect that it betrays their real ideals.
Fitzsimons Jeanette: Reinstatement of Business 
Fitzsimons Jeanette: Reinstatement of Business 
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JEANETTE FITZSIMONS (Co-Leader—Green) 
: 
 I think the National Party should reflect very carefully on the precedent it is setting with this amendment because what goes around comes around. The fact is that when a bill has passed its first reading in this House with a majority has been referred to a select committee and has had submissions on it called for from the public then Parliament ought to do the public the courtesy of listening to those submissions and of considering them properly in a select committee. If this amendment is to proceed then we should watch out for what will happen to all sorts of bills that the National Party puts up. 
A member’s bill is included in this amendment motion. All members know how difficult it is to get a member’s bill called in the ballot into the House and through its first reading. Everybody has had that experience and to knock it out at this stage without even the courtesy of a select committee hearing is extremely bad parliamentary process. I think it is a very bad way to start a new term. I know that this Parliament is a different Parliament. Parliament is the author of its own destiny but it also has a responsibility to consider things that are part-way through their process properly. If I were totally opposed to every bill in this motion I would not support the National Party’s amendment; I would wait and defeat the bills in the House if that were the way the Greens wanted to vote. I think it is really poor process and I urge the National Party to withdraw its amendment.
Brown Peter: Reinstatement of Business 
Brown Peter: Reinstatement of Business 
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PETER BROWN (Deputy Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 I take a brief opportunity to note Gerry Brownlee’s kind comments about New Zealand First. He clearly recognises that we have a role to play in this House and we have. Let me say to the honourable member and to the House— 
Hon Dr Nick Smith 
: Tell us about the baubles of office. 
PETER BROWN 
: I will talk about the baubles of office if the member likes: I have not got any. 
Let me assure the House that the bills the honourable member listed in his amendment and said that New Zealand First had voted against—and he is probably correct in that; I am not in a position to dispute it—are bills we will continue to vote against. Let me just say that first and foremost—and I ask the honourable member to take note of this—New Zealand First stands for democracy. We do not want to impose our views in a dictatorial fashion upon all New Zealanders. People have a right to be heard and we support that right. I believe that a more distinguished politician than myself—somebody like Winston Churchill—once said something like: “I may not agree with you but I will go to my death fighting for your voice to be heard.” So New Zealand First will not be supporting the National Party amendment. 
Let me put this question to the honourable member who moved the amendment. How many of the new National Party members have actually read the bills that National wants to throw out? I ask all those new members who have read them to raise their hands. Not one! I guarantee that not one of those new members has read those bills. I say to members opposite: “If that is defending democracy then you have a lot to learn.” 
New Zealand First does not support all these bills but it does support the democratic process. We believe that many of them will be defeated on the floor of the Chamber. That is where we stand on the matter.
Robertson H V Ross: Appointments — Deputy Speaker Assistant Speakers 
Robertson H V Ross: Appointments — Deputy Speaker Assistant Speakers 
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H V ROSS ROBERTSON (Labour—Manukau East) 
: 
 Thank you Madam Speaker. Kia ora tatou e nga iwi e nga hoa e nga hau e wha tena koutou tena koutou tena koutou katoa. 
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Greetings to all to the tribes to friends to the four winds greetings greetings greetings to you all 
.] 
It is with humility that I gratefully accept the profound honour that you my parliamentary colleagues have offered me to serve in this House as one of your presiding officers. This forty-eighth New Zealand Parliament is blessed with many new sets of lungs alongside seasoned politicians who are well accustomed to the delicate difference of opinion of this place. I will ensure that every member has the fullest opportunity to define defend and deliver his or her visions according to the letter of the Standing Orders and Speakers’ Rulings and in the spirit of engagement that our public expect. On this 400th anniversary of Guy Fawkes’ plot it behoves us all to be inclusive of all opinion for this is a chamber of ideas. This is a place where continuous streams of ideas are tested according to our Standing Orders and the Speakers’ Rulings. It is like a river that flows from bank to bank so that its true potential is realised for all. 
Lastly I just say this: last year members unanimously celebrated 150 years of our parliamentary democracy. We enter a Parliament that is finely balanced like our German MMP counterparts. I trust that we will all work together tatou tatou to ensure that this House grows in public esteem. Tihei mauri ora!
Dunne Peter: Appointments — Deputy Speaker Assistant Speakers 
Dunne Peter: Appointments — Deputy Speaker Assistant Speakers 
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Hon PETER DUNNE (Leader—United Future) 
: 
 It may come as a considerable surprise to the House when I say that I agree entirely with everything that the co-leader of the Green Party said. Ross Robertson was a superb Assistant Speaker in the last Parliament for all the reasons that members have outlined. He will be equally so in this Parliament and we have every delight in supporting his nomination. 
Motion agreed to.
Turia Tariana: Appointments — Deputy Speaker Assistant Speakers 
Turia Tariana: Appointments — Deputy Speaker Assistant Speakers 
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TARIANA TURIA (Co-Leader—Maori Party) 
: 
 The Maori Party rises to support the nomination of Ross Robertson to be Assistant Speaker. We know that he manages the House really well. The one thing I am really proud of is that he always attempts to pronounce Maori correctly. Kia ora Ross.
Fitzsimons Jeanette: Appointments — Deputy Speaker Assistant Speakers 
Fitzsimons Jeanette: Appointments — Deputy Speaker Assistant Speakers 
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JEANETTE FITZSIMONS (Co-Leader—Green) 
: 
 The Greens are happy to support the nomination of Ross Robertson for Assistant Speaker. We find it unfortunate given that on Tuesday we will begin a 19-hour debate on the formation of the Government and its programme that the election of the presiding officers of the House has to be disrupted by the kind of debate we have just had. It is not that that debate should not occur; we do not think that this is the appropriate place for it to occur when we are electing our presiding officers. We enjoyed Ross Robertson’s running of the House in a friendly way his attention to the Standing Orders and his fairness. And I really enjoyed the way he started each session with “Kia ora.”
Power Simon: Appointments — Deputy Speaker Assistant Speakers 
Power Simon: Appointments — Deputy Speaker Assistant Speakers 
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SIMON POWER (National—Rangitikei) 
: 
 On behalf of the National Party I say that we will certainly endorse H V Ross Robertson for the position of Assistant Speaker. We believe that Mr Robertson exercised independence and neutrality in a very fair and even-handed way during the last Parliament. In particular members of the National Party are confident of his working knowledge of the Standing Orders and look forward to welcoming him and his continuing in that role.
Cullen Michael: Appointments — Deputy Speaker Assistant Speakers 
Cullen Michael: Appointments — Deputy Speaker Assistant Speakers 
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Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I move  
That H V Ross Robertson be appointed Assistant Speaker 
. I do so with the Government’s stand of a 100 percent record on votes in this House during this forty-eighth Parliament we now have. I call the member Ross Robertson. I call him many other things as well and some of those are well known in public. I call him a friend; I call him a colleague; I call him somebody who has performed extraordinarily well in the job. Indeed he has on occasions been known as “Spot” which is a tribute to his terrier-like qualities his extraordinary energy and the fact that he gets around his electorate and around everything he has to do. He has been a member of this House since 1987 and he is universally liked on all sides of the House. Of course he brings to the House a dedication to its standards. He would like to impose upon us a code of conduct with some of us wanting to plead guilty in advance but declining to do so and we have not accepted that particular suggestion. But I am very confident that he will continue to perform that role with distinction.
Hartley Ann: Appointments — Deputy Speaker Assistant Speakers 
Hartley Ann: Appointments — Deputy Speaker Assistant Speakers 
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ANN HARTLEY (Labour) 
: 
 Madam Speaker I would first like to congratulate you on your election and I look forward to working with you. I would also like to congratulate the Hon Clem Simich whom I very much enjoyed working with in the last Parliament; I think we had an excellent team. I thank all members and assure all members that I will certainly as a presiding officer be working in the House to make sure that I serve the House well.
Vote: Appointments — Deputy Speaker Assistant Speakers 
Vote: Appointments — Deputy Speaker Assistant Speakers 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the name “Margaret Ann Hartley” be omitted and the name “John McGregor Carter” be inserted. 
Ayes 50 
New Zealand National 47; United Future 3. 
Noes 68 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 5; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
Motion agreed to.
Dunne Peter: Appointments — Deputy Speaker Assistant Speakers 
Dunne Peter: Appointments — Deputy Speaker Assistant Speakers 
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Hon PETER DUNNE (Leader—United Future) 
: 
 United Future will be supporting the amendment that has been moved. We do that because we have a very high regard for Mr Carter. We think he has performed well in the various roles he has held in the past. In this particular position of Assistant Speaker one is not entirely removed from partisan debate. The concerns that have been expressed about his being a loss to his party are therefore not as relevant. We think he could do a good job and we are prepared to support his nomination.
Turia Tariana: Appointments — Deputy Speaker Assistant Speakers 
Turia Tariana: Appointments — Deputy Speaker Assistant Speakers 
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TARIANA TURIA (Co-Leader—Maori Party) 
: 
 I rise on behalf of the Maori Party to wholeheartedly support the motion of the Government that Ann Hartley be the Assistant Speaker. She has our wholehearted support and the absolute respect of this caucus.
Hide Rodney: Appointments — Deputy Speaker Assistant Speakers 
Hide Rodney: Appointments — Deputy Speaker Assistant Speakers 
[Volume:628;Page:20] 
RODNEY HIDE (Leader—ACT) 
: 
 I just want to say a few words first of all in response to Winston Peters who said that the time of winner-takes-all is over. That is a bit rich coming from Winston Peters who has just lost the seat of Tauranga and who promised the people of New Zealand that he would not take the baubles of office. That loser has taken the biggest bauble of office his greedy chops could reach around. That is what Winston Peters has done. He demonstrates now in this Parliament that the loser can take all because he has done that with the shonky agreement he has entered into with Helen Clark. 
I heard Dr Cullen say that some people gave Ann Hartley a hard time as Deputy Speaker because she is a woman. Well I can tell Ann Hartley that I think Dr Cullen was referring in part to me. Doing that had nothing to do with the fact that she is a woman; it was all to do with contesting vigorously in this House and with ensuring that the Standing Orders have their play. Just to demonstrate that to Dr Cullen I say that ACT will support Ann Hartley’s nomination as Assistant Speaker because we think that she can and did learn. We look forward to Ann Hartley being a good Assistant Speaker.
English Bill: Appointments — Deputy Speaker Assistant Speakers 
English Bill: Appointments — Deputy Speaker Assistant Speakers 
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Hon BILL ENGLISH (National—Clutha-Southland) 
: 
 I rise to support the amendment. There is no reason why this House should believe what Winston Peters said because if he was sincere in his remarks about Clem Simich he could have made him Speaker of the House. He decided not to so there was no sincerity in those remarks of congratulation. 
There is one problem with the nomination that the Leader of the House has made which is that Ann Hartley did not earn the respect of the House when she had ample opportunity to do so as a Deputy Speaker. We voted against her last time and she won that vote. Over the last 3 years Ann Hartley has had the opportunity to show the judgment the temperament and the balance that are required of a senior officer of the House and she has failed to earn the respect of the House. Few officers of this Parliament fail in that respect. Most of them are given time. They do get a baptism of fire but they get the opportunity and they make it. The next nomination on the list is Ross Robertson. I admit that I was a sceptic when he took up office. But he earned the respect of this Parliament and that is why we will support that nomination. However we cannot support this one. We are dealing with a Government that is a curious mix of the reluctant and the incompetent: those who are reluctant to go and the rest of them who are incompetent. Ann Hartley happens to fit into both categories.
Turei Metiria: Appointments — Deputy Speaker Assistant Speakers 
Turei Metiria: Appointments — Deputy Speaker Assistant Speakers 
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METIRIA TUREI (Green) 
: 
 The Green Party will certainly oppose National’s amendment to the motion and we would like to express our sincere confidence in Ann Hartley’s ability to take up this position. We believe that she did a very good job as Deputy Speaker in the last Parliament. She proved her ability to deal with some of the most abusive behaviour in the House which is I think unfortunately still a very regular occurrence when members are dealing with women who are in positions of responsibility. In my view and certainly in the Green Party’s view Ann Hartley did a very good job of withstanding that abuse. She conducted herself with calmness and firmness and she resolutely refused to be undermined and bullied by those around her. We certainly look forward to her taking up this role again and we will vote against National’s amendment and support the Government’s motion.
Peters Winston: Appointments — Deputy Speaker Assistant Speakers 
Peters Winston: Appointments — Deputy Speaker Assistant Speakers 
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Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 The age of winner-takes-all is over. That was the National Party’s— 
John Key 
: Loser takes all! 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS 
: They will get over it. [ 
Interruption 
] As for the Tauranga result the matter is sub judice and I will see the member in court in Tauranga on 28 November. He will not be laughing then. 
I go back to the primary purpose of this speech. The age of winner-takes-all is over as evidenced by the appointment of the Deputy Speaker today. Such obvious evidence was provided to the member yet he missed it. 
But the real problem with the nomination from the National Party is that it would mean that it would be denuded of more talent denuded of experience and bereft of parliamentary knowledge. It desperately needs Mr Carter on its own benches not filling in over in the Chair. It is a party of people who have been out of power now for 6 years. It has a front bench comprised largely of people with no experience in Government. It is a party that cannot do without the experience of John Carter. Otherwise we would support him. We know he has the ability. 
National has a back bench with a whole lot of ambitious people who will soon use this Parliament as a ladder to climb over their colleagues. One needs to understand the procedures of Parliament to stop such things from happening. That being the case we have to decline the nomination from the National Party and for the most obvious reasons and go with some experience and some unity in respect of the new Government.