5. Question No. 5—EducationHon NIKKI KAYE (National—Auckland Central) to the Associate Minister of EducationQuestion No. 5—EducationHon NIKKI KAYE (National—Auckland Central): I seek leave to hold my question over for the next question time so that the Hon Tracey Martin can answer the question directly.SPEAKER: Leave is sought. Is there any objection? Yes there is. Does the member want to ask it anyway?5. Hon NIKKI KAYE (National—Auckland Central) to the Associate Minister of Education: Does she stand by her statement regarding learning support coordinator allocations I'm pleased I'm really pleased. I know there are people complaining and that's OK. We seem to live in a world where somebody's got to complain about everything"?Hon CHRIS HIPKINS (Minister of Education) on behalf of the Associate Minister of Education: In the context of the six minutes of my 6 August video blog where I outline the intentions of the role in detail yes.Hon Nikki Kaye: Is Greerton Village School board chairperson and parent Erika Harvey wrong when she says "There's really no rhyme or reason why we were left out. We have 140 children on our learning registry. I'm getting emails to say that I've got to stop or cut staff and I'm going to have to choose between health and safety or following the law of inclusion. It's ridiculous."Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: I would say to the person who made that comment that the Government has committed to 600 learning support coordinators in the first tranche of rolling out learning support coordinators into every school. Not every school can have one of those 600 obviously but we do acknowledge that this is one of the areas of need that schools are really struggling with. It's why we agreed to establish the roles and we'll continue to expand the number of learning support coordinators available in the future.Hon Nikki Kaye: Is New Zealand Education Institute (NZEI) president Lynda Stuart wrong when she says that the learning support coordinator allocation failed the test of whether it would get to the children who needed it first and putting arbitrary system requirements ahead of what schools have said they want and need to meet the needs of children is disgraceful?Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: I disagree with Lynda Stuart's comment on that. When the NZEI first started campaigning for these roles they said that they wanted them to be a dedicated role specifically for this purpose. They have subsequently argued that in fact it should be an increase to the staffing entitlement for schools. We don't agree with that. We are honouring the commitment that we made originally which was that these would be dedicated roles and they cannot be used as part of the school's staffing entitlement for something else.Hon Grant Robertson: How many dedicated learning support coordinator roles were in place when the Minister took office?Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: There were no dedicated learning support coordinators in place when we became the Government. We have acknowledged that this is a gap in the system and we're committed to addressing that.Hon Nikki Kaye: Will she listen to the comments of principal Gaye Turner who said "I very rarely get gutted. I very rarely get angry but that's how I felt." and change the learning—SPEAKER: Order! Shorter quotes.Hon Nikki Kaye: —support coordinator allocation so there is greater fairness and equity for children with complex needs?Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: I do accept that for principals up and down the country who for a decade now have had to fight tooth and nail to get support for the kids who have additional learning needs who have been frustrated that they haven't been able to get that support there is a degree of impatience in them wanting to see more resources in that area. I point out to all of them that the introduction of learning support coordinators is not the only thing this Government is doing. We've also expanded the number of Ongoing Resourcing Scheme funded spaces that are available to the kids with the highest and most complex needs. We've put more money into early intervention in early childhood education. We've expanded a range of other areas of learning support. We know that there is significant unmet demand for learning support across the country and unlike the previous Government we are actually going to work towards meeting that.Hon Nikki Kaye: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. The question was actually after I made the quote from the principal: will they change the learning support coordinator allocation? That was the question. That's the question that thousands of principals want to know—SPEAKER: Order! The member will resume her seat. If the member precedes her question with a long quote then any part of the quote can be addressed.Hon Nikki Kaye: Has she analysed the amount of time that she's spent on making decisions on learning support coordinator allocation versus the amount of time she's spent trolling Opposition MPs and principals on social media?SPEAKER: Order! Hon Nikki Kaye: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I wish to seek a point of clarification as to why you moved on because as I understand it the word "troll" or "trolling" has been used in this House on many occasions. In fact I believe it's been used by the honourable—SPEAKER: Not by way of question and if I missed it I was wrong and if my predecessors missed it they were wrong. Accusing a member of this House of being a troll is something which I consider to be disorderly.Hon Gerry Brownlee: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I think it would be a valuable exercise for the Clerk's Office to look through Hansards particularly to answers to questions to see if that word has been used alongside—well not alongside but also the word "fascist".SPEAKER: Well if they find another of my errors then I'm sure I will be reminded of it but assigning that title to a member of Parliament is in my opinion disorderly.Hon Nikki Kaye: Point of order Mr Speaker.SPEAKER: Well if it's about this—if the member's trying to reiterate that point she will be being disorderly and it will be treated very seriously. Hon Nikki Kaye: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. What you said in your comments—and I ask you to reflect on the footage—is that I have called the member a troll. I didn't; I used the term "trolling" which in the Oxford Dictionary I think is making comments that are inflammatory. It is a very different—SPEAKER: The member will stand—she will now sit—and now she's going to stand withdraw and apologise. She has deliberately—she has deliberately—defied my ruling. The member said another member was trolling. To troll means that you are a troll. Stand withdraw and apologise.Hon Nikki Kaye: I withdraw and apologise.SPEAKER: I mean it's pretty basic English.Kieran McAnulty: Doesn't even know what "troll" means.SPEAKER: Order! Order! Kieran McAnulty will stand withdraw and apologise.Kieran McAnulty: I withdraw and apologise.SPEAKER: And this is now a more general warning to members on both sides of the House: when I make a ruling I do not expect comment on it whether it is oppositional or supportive—both are disorderly."