Watts SimonSIMON WATTS (National—North Shore): Thank you very much Madam Chair. I do thank the Minister for Workplace Relations and Safety for his thoughtful responses to the questions that we've asked this evening. I think he's been very diligent in terms of his responses and on that basis I'll ask a few more because I've been thinking about the clause 207 that my colleague Stuart Smith articulated previously. The three questions that I have in regards to this are as follows. I think as the Minister has just clearly articulated there is a need for these support services. We may agree or disagree around the actual genuine need of that but that's OK; we'll take it on the basis that they are required and that the Ministry of Business Innovation and Employment CEO is going to appoint them. Looking at the reality of—and I'm aware of some of the workforce shortages particularly in the Auckland region around mediators in the employment space and this is not necessarily just a COVID issue but I am conscious that actually there has been a significant reduction in the number of professional mediators particularly those that for whatever reason chose early retirement post-COVID. A number of those individuals are genuinely highly experienced have a degree of background but were at a tender age that retirement seemed to be more appropriate than continuing on to work. And lucky them I say. But the reality is Minister this legislation is going to—going back to what I raised before—increase the volume and demand on that workforce for the exact services that are articulated in clause 207 in regards to providing bargaining support services. And I like the term actually in the departmental disclosure statement on page 8 in—we used to call it—finance font". Finance font's a font that only the finance people can read and you generally put the technical stuff that you don't want anyone to read in really small writing because most people can't read it. But I can read it luckily. And it says for example the provision of a bargaining support person—so I think that's the role title you are looking at; it's the bargaining support person. And we're not having a game of bingo here on how many different times we can mention the word "bargaining" but that's the role. So the question really is genuinely around the workforce crisis and the shortages we have with the skill set and capability.What assessment has the Minister undertaken in regards to actually the practical implications of clause 207 the implications of that in practice in terms of actually being able to provide and obtain that resource? Because it's all nice having legislation and rules and regulations and all that but if you can't simply put that into practice and effect that in practice—you know what's the consideration around that? What's the consideration in regards to—you know on the basis that we haven't got a large workforce that's going to increase in volume as a result of this legislation. What's the options in terms of being able to actually fill that void in terms of resource and capability? What is that going to cost Minister in terms of additional resources? Because you just can't turn the tap on and create this skill set. It does require training and experience capability and competence which is in short supply across the board. I guess the last question I've got is in regards to what if any estimate in terms of the total numbers of people that the chief executive will need to employ or engage—what is the scale of that number over and above I guess what is currently already engaged in the market? Because I think really that goes to a question around: well actually is this section actually practically able to be implemented? I know that's an operational conversation for the department but I'm sure the Minister's probably thinking a couple of steps ahead of where we are this evening of when this will be in law and actually how this is going to work in practice. So I'd appreciate some insight in terms of those three questions in regards to clause 207. Thank you Madam Chair."