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Sio Su'a William: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Sio Su'a William: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
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1. 
SU’A WILLIAM SIO (Labour—Mangere) 
 to the  
Chairperson of the Social Services Committee 
: Will she call a meeting to consider the Inquiry into the identification rehabilitation and care and protection of child offenders; if not why not? 
KATRINA SHANKS (Chairperson of the Social Services Committee) 
: 
 I do not intend to call a meeting. 
Su’a William Sio 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I wonder whether I can prevail upon you. This is the third time that I have had this question—the same question—on the Order Paper. She has answered the first part. I wonder whether you could require her to answer the second part: “why not?”. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The member raises a fair point of order actually. It is a primary question and did ask “if not why not?”. I ask Katrina Shanks to please answer that part of the question. 
KATRINA SHANKS 
: I cannot answer that question as the answer would reveal a confidential decision of the committee. 
Su’a William Sio 
: Has she been advised that a notice of motion to deliberate on the inquiry has been given; if so what further advice does she need to assist her to make a decision about calling a meeting before the House is dissolved on 20 October? 
KATRINA SHANKS 
: I do not intend to call another meeting of the committee at this stage to discuss any business. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The questioner did not actually ask that. I ask Su’a William Sio to repeat his question in case it was not heard—repeat it as closely as he can. He asked about a notice of motion to deliberate and what further information the chair felt she needed to act or something along those lines. Will the member repeat his question please. 
Su’a William Sio 
: That is right. Has she been advised that a notice of motion to deliberate on the inquiry has been given; if so what further advice does she need to assist her to make a decision about calling a meeting before the House is dissolved on 20 October? 
KATRINA SHANKS 
: With regard to that business before the committee a resolution has been recorded in the minutes as to when we would sit again. Therefore it is a confidential committee proceeding. 
Hon Trevor Mallard 
: It still didn’t answer the question. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: It seems to me that an answer to the question has been given. The supplementary question asked whether the chair was aware of a notice of motion and the chair has confirmed that she is aware of that notice of motion. That is all that she is required to answer in that supplementary question.
Kaye Nikki: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Kaye Nikki: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
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11. 
NIKKI KAYE (National—Auckland Central) 
 to the  
Minister for Communications and Information Technology 
: How many schools will benefit from ultra-fast broadband in the first year of the roll-out? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE (Minister for Communications and Information Technology) 
: 
 Good news. The roll-out of ultra-fast broadband enabling fibre to schools is progressing well and will see 221 schools around the country connected by the end of June next year by Crown Fibre Holdings partner Chorus. In addition four schools in Tauranga four in Whanganui and one in Hamilton will be connected by Ultrafast Broadband Ltd and a further 12 schools will be connected in Whangarei by Northpower. All up this will see nearly 100000 school students benefiting from ultra-fast broadband in just the first year of the roll-out. 
Nikki Kaye 
: What has been the reaction of schools that have already been connected to fibre? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE 
: They are absolutely delighted with the high-tech service and the opportunities it is bringing to their children. The technology means their students can instantly access the best teachers and the best online resources from anywhere in the world. Manaia View School principal Leanne Otene said that she was delighted with the possibilities of the new fibre service. I quote: “UFB is making a significant difference already. We’re uploading and downloading video incredibly quickly and the iPod Touches in use in our classrooms are humming. We now have an innovative broadband service to max the way we teach.” However I have to point out that kids could miss out on accessing one of the most wired education systems in the world if the project were to be unilaterally changed as promised by Labour’s information and communications technology spokeswoman Clare Curran. 
Te Ururoa Flavell 
: Kia ora Mr Speaker. Kia ora tatou. Can he advise the House on the input of Nga Pu Waea in the roll-out of ultra-fast broadband to ensure that kohanga reo kura and wananga will benefit from it? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE 
: Yes I was actually with the Minister of Maori Affairs the other day and we signed the final terms of reference with Nga Pu Waea and the contractors that are involved in rolling out the broadband programme. I am pleased to report that they are working well together and that one of the areas they are focused on is ensuring that the wananga the kura and the kohanga reo get the opportunity to be signed up as soon as possible for the benefits of ultra-fast broadband.
Young Jonathan: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Young Jonathan: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
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5. 
JONATHAN YOUNG (National—New Plymouth) 
 to the  
Minister of Justice 
: What progress has been made on the development of alternative court processes for child witnesses? 
Hon SIMON POWER (Minister of Justice) 
: 
 Very good progress. Earlier today I announced a comprehensive package of inquisitorial-style reforms to dramatically improve the way the criminal justice system treats child witnesses. The reforms which include the introduction of specialist intermediaries and pre-recording a child’s entire evidence before trial will ensure children are not rebrutalised by their contact with the system and that their cases are dealt with in a much timelier fashion. 
Jonathan Young 
: What are the main features of the reform package? 
Hon SIMON POWER 
: The key reforms include two new legislative presumptions for child witnesses under the age of 12. These two presumptions will make it standard for children of that age to give their evidential interview by video recorded on closed circuit television and to have their entire evidence including cross-examination and re-examination evidence pre-recorded at a hearing significantly earlier than the trial. There is an expectation that the judiciary will take a much more active role in determining whether questions put to child witnesses are appropriate and ensuring all child witnesses have an automatic right to a support person when giving evidence in court.
Power Simon: Subordinate Legislation (Confirmation and Validation) Bill (No 3) — Procedure 
Power Simon: Subordinate Legislation (Confirmation and Validation) Bill (No 3) — Procedure 
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Hon SIMON POWER (Acting Leader of the House) 
: 
 Following discussion in the Business Committee I seek leave for the Subordinate Legislation (Confirmation and Validation) Bill (No 3) to be set down for third reading forthwith without debate following its second reading. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Is there any objection to that course of action being followed? There is none.
Smith Lockwood: Visitors — Japan—Vice President House of Councillors 
Smith Lockwood: Visitors — Japan—Vice President House of Councillors 
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Mr SPEAKER 
: I have much pleasure in informing the House that Mr Hidehisa Otsuji Vice-President of the House of Councillors of the National Diet of Japan is within the precincts of the Chamber. I am sure members would wish that he be welcomed and accorded a seat on the left of the Chair. 
Mr Hidehisa Otsuji accompanied by the Deputy Speaker entered the Chamber and took a seat on the left of the Chair.
Burns Brendon: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Burns Brendon: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
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12. 
BRENDON BURNS (Labour—Christchurch Central) 
 to the  
Minister for Canterbury Earthquake Recovery 
: Does he stand by all of his statements on Canterbury’s earthquake recovery? 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (Minister for Canterbury Earthquake Recovery) 
: 
 Yes but as the member will note I have had to reconsider my position on several occasions as the seismic events of the last 13 months have unfolded. 
Brendon Burns 
: Having told the  
Press  
that the Government saw no need to install commissioners into the Christchurch City Council “at this time” will he now confirm that the Government is in fact discussing such an option for implementation after the 26 November election? 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE 
: I cannot speak for what the Government after 26 November will be doing. 
Brendon Burns 
: Will the Minister confirm— 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I want to hear Brendon Burns. 
Brendon Burns 
: Will the Minister confirm that among the reasons the Government is ruling out commissioners only “at this time” is that he knows that Christchurch City councillors will fight tooth and nail against the Government’s agenda to force the council as the Canterbury Earthquake Recovery Authority legislation allows to sell Christchurch’s $2 billion - plus in public assets to help pay for Christchurch’s earthquake recovery? 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE 
: I have responsibility neither for the next Government nor for the Christchurch City Council. 
Brendon Burns 
: Is the Minister aware of comments made to the  
Timaru Herald  
recently by his colleague Dr Nick Smith who “stopped short of saying ECan would eventually return to having an elected council” and can the Minister identify a democratically elected council in Canterbury that is not under threat from this Government if re-elected? 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE 
: I have not read any quotes in the  
Timaru Herald 
. 
Brendon Burns 
: I seek to table research conducted for me by the Parliamentary Library that shows that Orion New Zealand owned mostly by the ratepayers of Christchurch has returned to those ratepayers since 1993 some $976 million in dividends and other payments. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to table that document prepared by the Parliamentary Library. Is there any objection? There is no objection. 
Document by leave laid on the Table of the House.
Graham Kennedy: Subordinate Legislation (Confirmation and Validation) Bill (No 3) — Second Reading Third Reading 
Graham Kennedy: Subordinate Legislation (Confirmation and Validation) Bill (No 3) — Second Reading Third Reading 
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Dr KENNEDY GRAHAM (Green) 
: 
 I take the floor simply to reiterate what was said by my colleague Metiria Turei in the first reading of this bill: that although the Green Party supports virtually everything in the Subordinate Legislation (Confirmation and Validation) Bill (No 3) we oppose the Hong Kong and China free-trade agreement. Because that is contained in this subordinate legislation we have no option but to oppose the passage of this bill. 
I just add parenthetically that the procedure of the House might be improved if we were able to make a division of these kinds of bills into separate individual votes such that we could record our vote for the overwhelming majority of legislation that we do support while recording our opposition to free-trade agreements. As long as they are lumped into one we will be voting against all of them with some regret. 
I do not want to take any more time of the House other than to say that if this is the last piece of legislation—unless I am wrong—before the House for which the Minister Simon Power is responsible let me take the opportunity to pay tribute to the very singular contribution he has made to this House in the course of his career. I think it is hugely valuable. Even though we oppose quite a lot of the legislation for various reasons I none the less salute him for his capability and his hard work and determination and I think the House is poorer for his departure. He goes with our best wishes.
Mallard Trevor: General Debate 
Mallard Trevor: General Debate 
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Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I thought the traditional time for valedictories was 10 minutes. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: That is not a point of order and the member knows it. 
The debate having concluded the motion lapsed.
Prasad Rajen: Subordinate Legislation (Confirmation and Validation) Bill (No 3) — Second Reading Third Reading 
Prasad Rajen: Subordinate Legislation (Confirmation and Validation) Bill (No 3) — Second Reading Third Reading 
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Dr RAJEN PRASAD (Labour) 
: 
 It is a pleasure to take a brief call just to make a couple of points but before I do that like everybody else can I acknowledge Minister Simon Power for his contributions. In the 3 years I have been a member it has been enjoyable working with Minister Power in the two or three bills he was responsible for that I have debated. I appreciated his acknowledgment that we have supported the kinds of legislation around children and families that he is so passionate about. So are we. I thank him for that and wish him all the best over the next period and I look forward to seeing what transpires in his career next. I think we all do. 
When the Subordinate Legislation (Confirmation and Validation) Bill (No 3) was first introduced it was the first Subordinate Legislation (Confirmation and Validation) Bill that I have taken a call on so it was useful to try to understand the House’s procedure on it. Then having a look at the 13 different areas that this bill addresses I got into the debate quite a bit because we were not aware of a lot of the provisions—I certainly was not—and we know there is a process to decide whether to confirm or validate some of them. 
The bit that is disappointing—and my colleague Charles Chauvel talked about this earlier—is that in reading the report from the select committee we do not get an idea as to what level of examination there was of the necessity for the 13 pieces to be either validated or confirmed. The select committee has pointed out quite rightly that there is a problem in that this is a ritualistic procedure that we are going through in the House looking at subordinate legislation in this way. I hope the new Parliament looks at that anew to see whether there is a simpler and more efficient way of doing it rather than taking up as much time of the House as this. With those comments I commend the bill to the House.
Tremain Chris: General Debate 
Tremain Chris: General Debate 
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CHRIS TREMAIN (Senior Whip—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. My understanding was clear that the way you moved that motion was that the first three documents had been put and we agreed on those. Whether there is a fourth one is another matter but I was pretty clear that three had been voted upon. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: There are three that have been agreed to. If Mr Boscawen has a further one he should seek leave now.
Guy Nathan: Road User Charges Bill — In Committee 
Guy Nathan: Road User Charges Bill — In Committee 
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Hon NATHAN GUY (Associate Minister of Transport) 
: 
 We have had good discussion on Part 2 this evening on this very important bill. I think it is worthwhile mentioning a few things in terms of what Part 2 covers which is basically the administration of the road-user charge system: the requirement of course to pay road-user charges which includes obligations on the owner or operator of a vehicle; distance recorders; the issuing of licences; and the management of refunds which is an important point. It also covers the approval of service providers dealing with electronic methods and the approval and management of hubodometers which is included in Subpart 6. 
It has been interesting to hear the debate this evening from Opposition members. I think that Chris Hipkins gave an example of a trucking firm that could be operating from Wellington to Auckland. Statistics show us that most of those operators that travel those long distances are indeed licensed for their maximum combined weight and that example would be 44 tonnes if they were doing a long haul from Wellington to Auckland. Some choose to operate at their tare weight which some have called the naked weight—that is not loaded at all. Then they choose to purchase a supplementary road-user charge licence. Not many operate in that area. Some indeed operate at the tare weight and then we are left wondering whether they travel with any loading on their axles. Of course we can all safely presume that they do carry a load from time to time. We do not have a clue as to how much revenue the Government is missing out on. So in essence this will tighten that bit of a loophole for those who choose to game the system. That might be a small number of operators; it might indeed be a larger number than we are aware of. 
I guess to conclude the reasons for the change are a reduction in the evasion and also a reduction in the administration and overall compliance costs of the current system. There was also a comment made in terms of the electronic road-user charge system from the member for Palmerston North. Indeed the voluntary use of an electronic system will make it a lot easier to claim back those distances travelled off the road. In essence it will be a lot easier to claim a refund than it currently is.
Points of Order — Standing Orders—Debate 
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Points of Order 
Standing Orders—Debate 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I think it is relatively unusual for you to approve of any point of order that looks like it is time-wasting or filling in time but I think it would probably be appropriate if we can use the next 5 minutes until the valedictories are due in some way that is slightly more positive than starting a debate on the Standing Orders for a short time. I think it is better for that to be taken as a coherent whole. So what I might do is get in front of the— 
Hon Simon Power 
: Sing sing. 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: No I will explain to the member. 
Grant Robertson 
: Don’t sing don’t sing. 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: The member says “Don’t sing.” I will explain to the member that when I was in the fourth form the inspectors came to our music class. Noel Lynch was the teacher at the time. He was a good music teacher and a very good English teacher. At the time when the inspectors came we as kids thought the inspectors were inspecting us. Lynch said to me: “Mallard can you go in the back row of the choir please and will you mouth the words.” He had my musical ability right and therefore I will not impose any song on the House. But I think it is important given the fact that we have given a time for the beginning of the valedictories that the—[ 
Interruption 
] That is the 5-minute bell. Thank you Mr Deputy Speaker. A 5-minute bell on the— 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: No. We will start them.
Subordinate Legislation (Confirmation and Validation) Bill (No 3) — Procedure 
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Subordinate Legislation (Confirmation and Validation) Bill (No 3) 
Procedure 
Hon SIMON POWER (Acting Leader of the House) 
: 
 Following discussion in the Business Committee I seek leave for the Subordinate Legislation (Confirmation and Validation) Bill (No 3) to be set down for third reading forthwith without debate following its second reading. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Is there any objection to that course of action being followed? There is none.
Visitors — Japan—Vice President House of Councillors 
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Wednesday 5 October 2011 
Mr Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Prayers 
. 
Visitors 
Japan—Vice President House of Councillors 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I have much pleasure in informing the House that Mr Hidehisa Otsuji Vice-President of the House of Councillors of the National Diet of Japan is within the precincts of the Chamber. I am sure members would wish that he be welcomed and accorded a seat on the left of the Chair. 
Mr Hidehisa Otsuji accompanied by the Deputy Speaker entered the Chamber and took a seat on the left of the Chair.
Macindoe Tim: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Macindoe Tim: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
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9. 
TIM MACINDOE (National—Hamilton West) 
 to the  
Minister of Transport 
: What progress has been made on the Waikato Expressway Road of National Significance? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE (Minister of Transport) 
: 
 This morning I was in Ngaruawahia to turn the first sod beginning construction on the $150 million bypass project which will add 12.3 kilometres to the Waikato Expressway. Construction of the Ngaruawahia section is expected to create up to 300 local jobs with many more created in downstream industries demonstrating the Government’s commitment to boost regional economies with further infrastructure investment. The project is expected to take only 2 years to finish because things are moving much faster under this Government. It will help to make the journey between the Waikato and Auckland shorter and faster. 
Tim Macindoe 
: What risks are there that the Waikato Expressway will not be completed within the 10-year time frame? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE 
: There is only a small risk that the Waikato Expressway may not be finished on time. This was raised with me this morning by the  
Waikato Times 
. This scenario would occur if for example funding for roading infrastructure on the expressway was diverted to other projects particularly non-roading projects. This would be a serious blow for the Waikato because the project of course will lift productivity create local jobs and get Waikato goods to market faster. As I said to the  
Waikato Times 
 this scenario would occur only if Labour or the Greens became the Government and slashed investment in infrastructure so the reporter would have to ask them. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Question No. 10 Stuart Nash. [ 
Interruption 
] I say to both sides of the House please I cannot hear Stuart Nash.
Smith Lockwood: Valedictory Statements 
Smith Lockwood: Valedictory Statements 
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Mr SPEAKER 
: These are very special times but time is also moving on. Could I now call on the Hon Sir Roger Douglas to make his valedictory statement.
Vote: Criminal Procedure (Reform and Modernisation) Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Criminal Procedure (Reform and Modernisation) Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 54 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 9; Progressive 1; Mana 1; Independent: Carter C. 
Noes 67 
New Zealand National 57; ACT New Zealand 5; Maori Party 4; United Future 1. 
Amendments not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Dr Kennedy Graham to clause 429 be agreed to: 
to omit this clause.
Vote: Criminal Procedure (Reform and Modernisation) Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Criminal Procedure (Reform and Modernisation) Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment to the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 54 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 9; Progressive 1; Mana 1; Independent: Carter C. 
Noes 67 
New Zealand National 57; ACT New Zealand 5; Maori Party 4; United Future 1. 
Amendment to the amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Simon Power to the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 283 in his name to clause 435 be agreed to: 
to omit the item relating to new section 23(3)(b)(iii) and substitute the following item: 
23(2)(b)(iii)to omit “are outstanding” and substitute “have been issued”. 
Amendment to the amendment agreed to. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: The next question is to the Minister’s amendments set on Supplementary Order Paper 281 and his amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 283 as amended except for new subsection 277(10) in schedule 3 which has been withdrawn. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 281 and the amendments as amended set out on Supplementary Order Paper 283 except that to new section 277(10) in schedule 3 in the name of the Hon Simon Power be agreed to. 
Amendments as amended agreed to. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: The amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 286 in the name of Charles Chauvel have been ruled out of order as the Government has indicated that the proposals have a fiscal impact to the aggregates. Standing Order 320 requires a 24-hour threshold of notice and that was not done. 
The question was put that the following amendments in the name of Dr Kennedy Graham to clause 4 be agreed to: 
to omit from subclause (1)(j) “if the matter proceeds to trial the trial will be a Judge-alone trial” and substitute “a defendant charged with a category 2 offence has a choice about whether or not to elect a trial by jury (see section 48):”; and 
to insert the following paragraph after paragraph (j): 
“(ja)if the defendant elects trial by jury and the matter proceeds to trial the trial will be a jury trial (unless a Judge-alone trial is ordered under section 102 or 103):.
Power Simon: Criminal Procedure (Reform and Modernisation) Bill — In Committee 
Power Simon: Criminal Procedure (Reform and Modernisation) Bill — In Committee 
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Hon SIMON POWER (Minister of Justice) 
: 
 I want to respond very briefly to some comments that were made by Stuart Nash in respect of name suppression. The bill will see defendants be able to apply for name suppression but only on the following grounds: to prevent extreme hardship to them and/or persons connected with them and on the grounds that publication would cast suspicion on other people that may result in undue hardship. That is in clause 204. To address the concern that the public have rightly in my view about supposed well-known people being given preferential treatment the legislation provides that there will be no presumption of extreme hardship solely on the ground that publication will identify a defendant who is well known—or as I have referred to it more broadly people who think they are well known. 
Victims witnesses and others will be able to seek name suppression on grounds including that identification would result in undue hardship to that person. It is important to note that clause 205 is designed to protect victims. Automatic name suppression will continue to apply to victims of specified sexual offending defendants in cases of incest or sexual conduct with a dependent family member and child witnesses. It will be extended to also apply to child victims. I think that goes some way towards addressing Mr Nash’s concerns. 
I think the broader points raised by Mr Hipkins lend themselves to reinforcing the reason that the Government has asked the Law Commission to look very closely at the issue of the relationship broadly speaking between suppression and the new media which makes suppression a lot more difficult. I am not an expert in technology; I would not even regard myself as an amateur. Frankly I am pretty relaxed about that. As I always said no good ever came of Facebook. Putting that to one side this is an issue that eventually future Governments will have to grapple with when the Law Commission brings its report back to whoever the Minister of Justice is at the time. It is not straightforward. On talking to colleagues in comparable jurisdictions I was told that they have struggled with it. The way in which suppression has interacted with the new media means that there is much to do to ensure that those protections where appropriate are protected. Much work remains to be done in that area.
Power Simon: Criminal Procedure (Reform and Modernisation) Bill — In Committee 
Power Simon: Criminal Procedure (Reform and Modernisation) Bill — In Committee 
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Hon SIMON POWER (Minister of Justice) 
: 
 I seek leave for all the provisions of the Criminal Procedure (Reform and Modernisation) Bill to be taken as one question for one question to be put on each member’s Supplementary Order Paper or amendments and for the debate to conclude at 4.50 p.m. and the questions to be put in time to report to the House by 5 p.m. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Leave is sought for that purpose. Is there any objection? There is no objection.
Sio Su'a William: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Sio Su'a William: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
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2. 
SU’A WILLIAM SIO (Labour—Mangere) 
 to the  
Chairperson of the Education and Science Committee 
: Has he called for public submissions on the petition of Judy Taligalu McFall-McCaffery and John McCaffery and 6686 others which asks this House to urge the Government to fully fund Pacific bilingual education? 
ALLAN PEACHEY (Chairperson of the Education and Science Committee) 
: 
 No. 
Su’a William Sio 
: When will he call a meeting to consider the petition of Judy Taligalu McFall-McCaffery and John McCaffery and 6686 others? 
ALLAN PEACHEY 
: I do not intend to do so.
Sio Su'a William: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Sio Su'a William: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
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1. 
SU’A WILLIAM SIO (Labour—Mangere) 
 to the  
Chairperson of the Social Services Committee 
: Will she call a meeting to consider the Inquiry into the Identification Rehabilitation and Care and Protection of Child Offenders; if not why not? 
KATRINA SHANKS (Chairperson of the Social Services Committee) 
: 
 I have not yet decided whether to call a meeting. 
Su’a William Sio 
: Will she call for an urgent meeting of the committee to deliberate on the inquiry so that it can be reported back to Parliament before it rises next week; if not why not? 
KATRINA SHANKS 
: I still have not decided whether to call a meeting.
Chadwick Steve: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Chadwick Steve: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
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8. 
Hon STEVE CHADWICK (Labour) 
 to the  
Minister of Health 
: Has he received any reports on changes to the aged care arrangements in Wellington; if so what assurances can he give to workers in the aged care sector that they will not lose their jobs? 
Hon TONY RYALL (Minister of Health) 
: 
 Yes; and although this is an operational matter of the Capital and Coast District Health Board it has informed me that the two providers going forward will need to increase their workforce to meet demand. Capital and Coast District Health Board has also advised that the changes to providers should not mean job losses for support workers. 
Hon Steve Chadwick 
: Does the Government have any plans to implement a qualified workforce in the aged-care sector; if not why not? 
Hon TONY RYALL 
: As the member will know the industry and the industry training organisation Careerforce are providing training opportunities for people working in the aged-care sector across the board. The Government has also added to that with a significant investment in supporting further education and training for aged-care nurses and for other people in that sector. 
Hon Steve Chadwick 
: Does he have any plans to establish a Government-funded national training pathway for all staff in residential and home-based care that is linked to a national qualification framework and recognised in pay negotiations; if not why not? 
Hon TONY RYALL 
: Well the Government supports the work that the industry and Careerforce are doing as they take a bottom-up quality-focused approach to improving the training. I do not think we need the sort of top-down lecturing that that party opposite might be promoting. 
Hon Steve Chadwick 
: Has the Minister seen the Auditor-General’s report entitled  
Home-based support services for older people 
; if so when will the Government be responding to the recommendations in the report tabled in July? 
Hon TONY RYALL 
: Yes I have seen that report. In fact it is a shocking indictment of the previous Government’s management of these services—it is absolutely disgraceful. That is the reason why this Government has invested more money in home-based support services.
Power Simon: Business Statement 
Power Simon: Business Statement 
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Hon SIMON POWER (Acting Leader of the House) 
: 
 That member has been in this House a lot longer than I have and he will know that what goes on in a select committee stays in a select committee until such time as it is reported back to this House. I am sure Bellamy’s will do its best to maintain its very high standards when it comes to food.
Mallard Trevor: Business Statement 
Mallard Trevor: Business Statement 
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Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I thank the Acting Leader of the House for his full explanation of his intentions for next week. I want to check with him as to whether one of two things has been sorted out: either the Attorney-General on the Video Camera Surveillance (Temporary Measures) Bill or the catering from Bellamy’s for the weekend.
Power Simon: Business Statement 
Power Simon: Business Statement 
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Hon SIMON POWER (Acting Leader of the House) 
: 
 When the House resumes on Tuesday 4 October the Government intends to move the first reading of the Crown Entities Reform Bill the remaining stages of the Criminal Procedure (Reform and Modernisation) Bill the remaining stages of the Subordinate Legislation (Confirmation and Validation) Bill (No 3) and the first reading of the Victims of Crime Reform Bill. The adoption of amendments to the Standing Orders as recommended by the Standing Orders Committee will also be debated and a further seven retiring members will give their valedictory statements. On Thursday it is the Government’s intention to move that urgency be accorded to the remaining stages of the Video Camera Surveillance (Temporary Measures) Bill and the Sleepover Wages (Settlement) Bill as well as the adjournment debate.
Business Statement 
Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume 
Business Statement 
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Thursday 29 September 2011 
Mr Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Prayers 
. 
Business Statement 
Hon SIMON POWER (Acting Leader of the House) 
: 
 When the House resumes on Tuesday 4 October the Government intends to move the first reading of the Crown Entities Reform Bill the remaining stages of the Criminal Procedure (Reform and Modernisation) Bill the remaining stages of the Subordinate Legislation (Confirmation and Validation) Bill (No 3) and the first reading of the Victims of Crime Reform Bill. The adoption of amendments to the Standing Orders as recommended by the Standing Orders Committee will also be debated and a further seven retiring members will give their valedictory statements. On Thursday it is the Government’s intention to move that urgency be accorded to the remaining stages of the Video Camera Surveillance (Temporary Measures) Bill and the Sleepover Wages (Settlement) Bill as well as the adjournment debate. 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I thank the Acting Leader of the House for his full explanation of his intentions for next week. I want to check with him as to whether one of two things has been sorted out: either the Attorney-General on the Video Camera Surveillance (Temporary Measures) Bill or the catering from Bellamy’s for the weekend. 
Hon SIMON POWER (Acting Leader of the House) 
: 
 That member has been in this House a lot longer than I have and he will know that what goes on in a select committee stays in a select committee until such time as it is reported back to this House. I am sure Bellamy’s will do its best to maintain its very high standards when it comes to food.
Vote: Criminal Procedure (Reform and Modernisation) Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Criminal Procedure (Reform and Modernisation) Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That clauses 1 and 2 Parts 1 to 9 and schedules 1 to 6 as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 110 
New Zealand National 57; New Zealand Labour 42; ACT New Zealand 5; Maori Party 4; Progressive 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 11 
Green Party 9; Mana 1; Independent: Carter C. 
Clauses 1 and 2 Parts 1 to 9 and schedules 1 to 6 as amended agreed to. 
The Committee divided the bill into the Criminal Procedure Bill the Bail Amendment Bill (No 3) the Children Young Persons and Their Families Amendment Bill (No 3) the Corrections Amendment Bill the Crimes Amendment Bill (No 5) the Criminal Disclosure Amendment Bill the Criminal Procedure (Mentally Impaired Persons) Amendment Bill the District Courts Amendment Bill (No 2) the Evidence Amendment Bill the Juries Amendment Bill the Justices of the Peace Amendment Bill the New Zealand Bill of Rights Amendment Bill the Sentencing Amendment Bill (No 6) the Summary Proceedings Amendment Bill (No 4) and the Victims’ Rights Amendment Bill 
pursuant to Supplementary Order Paper282. 
Bill reported with amendment. 
Report adopted.
Vote: Criminal Procedure (Reform and Modernisation) Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Criminal Procedure (Reform and Modernisation) Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 54 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 9; Progressive 1; Mana 1; Independent: Carter C. 
Noes 67 
New Zealand National 57; ACT New Zealand 5; Maori Party 4; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 285 in the name of Dr Kennedy Graham to clause 431 be agreed to.
Vote: Criminal Procedure (Reform and Modernisation) Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Criminal Procedure (Reform and Modernisation) Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 54 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 9; Progressive 1; Mana 1; Independent: Carter C. 
Noes 67 
New Zealand National 57; ACT New Zealand 5; Maori Party 4; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to.
Vote: Criminal Procedure (Reform and Modernisation) Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Criminal Procedure (Reform and Modernisation) Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment to the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 54 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 9; Progressive 1; Mana 1; Independent: Carter C. 
Noes 67 
New Zealand National 57; ACT New Zealand 5; Maori Party 4; United Future 1. 
Amendment to the amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 284 in the name of Dr Kennedy Graham to the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 281 in the name of the Hon Simon Power to clause 128 be agreed to.
Curran Clare: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Curran Clare: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
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2. 
CLARE CURRAN (Labour—Dunedin South) 
 to the  
Chairperson of the Transport and Industrial Relations Committee 
: Has he requested any written submissions on the petition of George Laird signed by nearly 14000 people calling on the Government to retain the Hillside and Woburn workshops? 
DAVID BENNETT (Chairperson of the Transport and Industrial Relations Committee) 
: 
 I have not requested any written submissions on this petition. 
Clare Curran 
: Did he as chair put a motion to the committee that a submission be requested from the petitioner or a representative of the petitioner? 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The question is not in order because such a motion would have been in the confidential proceedings of the meeting. If the member is referring to a notice of motion she should clarify her question because that would be in order. I will give Clare Curran that opportunity. 
Clare Curran 
: Did he as chair put a notice of motion to the committee that a submission be requested from the petitioner or a representative of the petitioner? 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Perhaps I should clarify that question. Such a notice would be lodged with the clerk of the committee. 
DAVID BENNETT 
: No.
Henare Tau: Employment Relations (Secret Ballot for Strikes) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Henare Tau: Employment Relations (Secret Ballot for Strikes) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Hon TAU HENARE (National) 
: 
 I withdraw my amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 195 to insert clause 6A and table in its place my typescript amendment to insert new clause 4A.
Vote: Employment Relations (Secret Ballot for Strikes) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Employment Relations (Secret Ballot for Strikes) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That clause 4 be agreed to. 
Ayes 63 
New Zealand National 57; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 9; Maori Party 3; Progressive 1; Mana 1; Independent: Carter C. 
Clause 4 agreed to.
Vote: Employment Relations (Secret Ballot for Strikes) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Employment Relations (Secret Ballot for Strikes) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That new clause 4A be agreed to. 
Ayes 63 
New Zealand National 57; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 9; Maori Party 3; Progressive 1; Mana 1; Independent: Carter C. 
New clause 4A agreed to.
Vote: Employment Relations (Secret Ballot for Strikes) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Employment Relations (Secret Ballot for Strikes) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 63 
New Zealand National 57; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 9; Maori Party 3; Progressive 1; Mana 1; Independent: Carter C. 
Motion agreed to.
Vote: Employment Relations (Secret Ballot for Strikes) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Employment Relations (Secret Ballot for Strikes) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That clause 3 be agreed to. 
Ayes 63 
New Zealand National 57; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 9; Maori Party 3; Progressive 1; Mana 1; Independent: Carter C. 
Clause 3 agreed to.
Vote: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
Vote: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill be now read a third time. 
Ayes 63 
New Zealand National 57; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Noes 58 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 9; Maori Party 4; Progressive 1; Mana 1; Independent: Carter C. 
Bill read a third time.
Goodhew Jo: Employment Relations (Secret Ballot for Strikes) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Goodhew Jo: Employment Relations (Secret Ballot for Strikes) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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JO GOODHEW (Junior Whip—National) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
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Henare Tau: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
Henare Tau: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
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Hon TAU HENARE (National) 
: 
 Let us cut to the truth of the matter in terms of what voluntary student membership really means. It means that the passing of the Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill will stop the little lefties organising on campus running back to their generals captains and lieutenants in the Labour Party and using other people’s money for things that are no doubt political. If it was such a great organisation to belong to thousands of people would be lining up outside Parliament today a bit like the foreshore and seabed. But all we got was bed: 500 people out there waving a few balloons. I tell you what. There was a protest in Auckland and the protesters locked themselves in—they locked themselves in. There were not 20000 people there were not 10000 people and there were not 5000 people. There was a bunch of raggedy old Labour members. That is all that protest was. 
I thank my colleague Sir Roger Douglas for giving me 5 or 6 minutes to tell the truth about this bill. What this bill does in no uncertain terms is gut the political animal that is the Labour Party. That is why those members are on their hind legs. That is why they are up tonight. They are on their hind legs. Why do those members not like freedom? Why do they not like choice? Why do they not like democracy? They have the cheek to get up in this House and ask what voice we are giving youth. I will tell members what voice we on this side of the House are giving young people today: democracy choice and freedom. 
You know I can remember doing some study. I did not go to university and that is fine. That is all right; I still have time. At least when I do go to university I will not be forced into belonging to an organisation that I do not want to belong to. It is simple. It is simple: do not make people do it. 
I tell you what. Why should I pay 150 bucks a year at Victoria University just for the Victoria University of Wellington Students Association to buy a van and fix it up—or pimp my ride—when I do not get anything out of it? I would have thought that my young fellow who is at Victoria would get at least a dozen rides or at least a ride in the van but he did not. It begs the question of where else this money which the poor old student pays goes. Where else does that money go? It goes into the coffers of the Labour Party through its organisation. Make no mistake about it: it is nothing more than a little wee bank for the Labour Party. 
Kia ora. I cannot wait for democracy and freedom to reign.
Henare Tau: Employment Relations (Secret Ballot for Strikes) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Henare Tau: Employment Relations (Secret Ballot for Strikes) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Hon TAU HENARE (National) 
: 
 I seek leave of the Committee to reconsider clause 2 to replace the reference in subclause (1AA) to clause 6A with a reference to clause 4A. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Is there any objection to that course of action being taken?
Vote: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Vote: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Committee report progress. 
Ayes 63 
New Zealand National 57; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Noes 58 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 9; Maori Party 4; Progressive 1; Mana 1; Independent: Carter C. 
Progress reported.
Robertson Grant: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Robertson Grant: Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
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GRANT ROBERTSON (Labour—Wellington Central) 
: 
 I seek leave for all the remaining clauses of the Royal Society of New Zealand Amendment Bill to be taken as one question without debate and for the third reading of the bill to be held forthwith with all debate to be completed and all questions to be put no later than 5.25 p.m. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy) 
: I know you are seeking leave but that would therefore be an instruction from the House to the Committee. I will just get a wee nod from the Clerk that that is in order. That is in order? The leave is in order. I will now put the question. Is there anyone opposed to that course of action? There is.