Mitchell Mark: Parental Leave and Employment Protection (6 Months’ Paid Leave) Amendment Bill — In CommitteeText is subject to correctionMitchell Mark: Parental Leave and Employment Protection (6 Months’ Paid Leave) Amendment Bill — In Committee[Sitting date: 08 June 2016. Volume:714;Page:11810. Text is subject to correction.]MARK MITCHELL (National—Rodney): I have to say that I am very surprised that the Labour whip took a point of order against a Green member—Iain Lees-Galloway: Point of order Mr Chairman.The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch): No no. I have ruled on that matter and that is the end of it so we will not get into this cross-play. I have ruled on that matter. I told the member who was speaking at the time Denise Roche that that was what the member should do. She came back to the bill so we cannot relitigate those points that I have already ruled on.MARK MITCHELL: Thank you for clarifying that Mr Chair. I am very happy to take a call on Part 1 of the Parental Leave and Employment Protection (6 Months’ Paid Leave) Amendment Bill.Hon Member: Say it again. Say it again.MARK MITCHELL: I want to acknowledge—I will probably come back to it—Ruth Dyson the chair of our select committee the Government Administration Committee. She has done a very good job of chairing the select committee and taking this bill through and I hope that she takes a call in the Committee tonight to speak to the bill. I want to acknowledge the member Sue Moroney of course. And of course I have got some questions too and I hope that the Chairperson will allow me a little bit of latitude to address some of the issues that were raised by the Opposition members during our speeches on this part.Cost keeps getting raised and I want to speak about cost because we have got the Ministry of Business Innovation and Employment which has worked on the costings and has come back and was able to report and inform the select committee that the cost is going to be $445.8 million over the next 4 years. That is a significant amount. Anyone sitting at home who is in charge of their own household budgets knows that if you take money from somewhere then you have either got to replace it or one of the family is going to miss out on something. I am really interested to hear and I would ask the member when she takes a call—and I am hoping that she takes the call after mine—to run through again and explain to us where the money is going to come from over the next 4 years.Carmel Sepuloni: She already answered those questions. She doesn’t need to take a call on it.MARK MITCHELL: Well it would be good for her to highlight that again and talk us through that again—where the money is going to come from and where the savings are.One of the interesting points that was raised and I am sure that the member in the chair Sue Moroney would agree with me on this one is that by extending paid parental leave somehow we are not going to have to build any more prisons so there is going to be a big saving in the construction of prisons. I cannot see that. I would like to know the rationale. I would like to know the methodology behind that statement because personally I cannot see that.I am going to come back to cost but I want to talk about small business because my colleague and the deputy chair of our committee Paul Foster-Bell raised a very good point and that was the fact that we heard submissions from small-business owners. Actually when you look at the New Zealand economy 70 percent of our economy is made up of small to medium sized business. When you actually delve into it when you have a look at our small businesses out there that are always passionate about what they are doing and are always looking for the ability to be able to grow often cash is king—right? They want to make payroll every fortnight they want to make payroll every month and their employees are extremely important to them. So we as a Parliament—and we are not the ones out there every day working hard and toiling hard trying to grow these businesses and trying to make sure that there is a strong cash-flow—are very careful about what we do in here. The decisions that we make in here will have a direct impact and can have a direct negative impact on what our productive part of the economy is trying to achieve and do. So a policy like this needs to be examined very very closely.I just want to highlight and come back to the comment that my colleague Sarah Dowie made. It was very good in the sense that we do support paid parental leave and this Government has got a proud record of having extended that and taken a round of policies that actually provide more support to new parents. I think a very interesting point that came up during our select committee process was that we assume that it always relates to mothers; actually it does not. Having been a single father myself it actually relates to fathers as well. That brings me to another point that I would like to highlight and that is one of the issues that was raised the last time—