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Power Simon: New Zealand Day Bill — First Reading 
Power Simon: New Zealand Day Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:624;Page:19667] 
SIMON POWER (National—Rangitikei) 
: 
 My colleagues John Carter and Katherine Rich have already indicated that National will support this bill going to a select committee for an exploration of the issues and for an opportunity for the public to make a contribution have a say and put their views. I understand why Mr Dunne is presenting this bill and given the way that discussions around these issues have progressed over the last 3 to 4 years this is probably not a bad way to provide a forum for some of those discussions to be held. More important it will give those people in New Zealand who have perhaps felt that Waitangi Day did not reflect their own views on different issues an opportunity to make a submission too. 
I do when looking at the explanatory note agree with Mr Dunne’s initial comment that contemporary New Zealand is becoming an increasingly diverse nation culturally and ethnically. He describes New Zealand as a modern multicultural nation. As part of the debate in developing that multicultural nation—and this is a young country we are dealing with—this is a step in the direction of encouraging dialogue between the various citizens of this country on important issues such as the name of the day that they believe reflects the birth I guess of this country. 
So National will support the bill going to a select committee. I do not think that the passage of this bill will be straightforward and easy Mr Dunne—if I could breach the Standing Orders for a moment by making comments to a fellow member directly. It is members’ day and I would appreciate Mr Speaker you allowing me some leeway there. I believe that the passage of this bill will be tidal shall we say. I do not think that it will be plain sailing. I do think though that any nation that is serious about its own development needs to take the opportunity to be proud of the debates that go with part of that growth. 
At the risk of prolonging my comments further I say that National will support this bill going to a select committee and that we await the outcome of public submissions and further discussions on this issue.
Hughes Darren: Fisheries Amendment Bill (No 4) — In Committee 
Hughes Darren: Fisheries Amendment Bill (No 4) — In Committee 
[Volume:619;Page:14552] 
DARREN HUGHES (Junior Whip—Labour) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Hawkins George: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Question Time Questions to Members 
Hawkins George: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Question Time Questions to Members 
[Volume:607;Page:4501] 
Hon GEORGE HAWKINS (Minister of Police) 
: 
 I wish to inform the House that I was out at the Police College talking to almost 80 people who are graduating today—many of whom will be going to Auckland. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: That is not something the Speaker has any jurisdiction over whatsoever.
Urgent Debates Declined — Overseas Investment Act—Review 
Urgent Debates Declined — Overseas Investment Act—Review 
[Volume:613;Page:9856] 
Urgent Debates Declined 
Overseas Investment Act—Review 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I have received a letter from Rod Donald seeking to debate under Standing Order 376 the decision to review the Overseas Investment Act. This is a particular case of recent occurrence involving ministerial responsibility but I do not consider however that the decision to initiate a review that will lead to legislative proposals by the middle of next year requires an urgent debate to be held on it today. The application is accordingly declined. 
ROD DONALD (Co-Leader—Green) 
: 
I seek leave to table two documents. One is the European Commission request to New Zealand that we remove Overseas Investment Commission control of rural land and remove the $10 million level of scrutiny. The second document is Robert Zoellick’s letter to the United States Senate. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to table those two documents. Is there any objection? There is.
Hunt Jonathan: Urgent Debates — Budget Advertising Programme—Report of Auditor-General 
Hunt Jonathan: Urgent Debates — Budget Advertising Programme—Report of Auditor-General 
[Volume:619;Page:15330] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I have received a letter from the Leader of the Opposition seeking to debate under Standing Order 373 a report by the Auditor-General on the Government’s post-Budget advertising programme. This is a particular case of recent occurrence and involves the administrative responsibilities of the Government. I consider the report does deserve the immediate attention of the House and I therefore accept the application. I call on the member to move the appropriate motion.
Vote: Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims Bill — In Committee Procedure Third Reading 
Vote: Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims Bill — In Committee Procedure Third Reading 
[Volume:626;Page:20989] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 57 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 9; United Future 8. 
Noes 62 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 372 in the name of Marc Alexander to clause 45(2) be agreed to.
Laban Luamanuvao Winnie: Taxation (Annual Rates Venture Capital and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill — Second Reading 
Laban Luamanuvao Winnie: Taxation (Annual Rates Venture Capital and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill — Second Reading 
[Volume:621;Page:16407] 
LUAMANUVAO WINNIE LABAN (Labour—Mana) 
: 
 I have much pleasure in participating in this debate on the second reading of our Taxation (Annual Rates Venture Capital and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill. I also want to thank United Future for having the vision and commitment to support our Government on this omnibus bill. The bill reflects several important themes of our Government’s tax policy work programme in the context where we are looking at measures to promote growth and innovation to simplify the tax system—especially for small businesses—to reduce compliance costs and to protect the revenue base. 
The bill will help New Zealand to compete more effectively with Australia for venture capital. It will introduce a rebate of income tax for small-business taxpayers who pay tax on their self-employed or partnership income during the first year. It introduces amendments to the legislative framework governing the resolution of disputes between taxpayers and the Inland Revenue Department to improve the process for both parties. It looks at the closing of a loophole involving the sale and leaseback of intangibles such as trademarks and newspaper mastheads. As my colleague Gordon Copeland said it sets the income tax rates that will apply for 2004-05. 
The Finance and Expenditure Committee has recommended a number of minor changes to ensure that the legislation is tightened up and operates effectively. The two Supplementary Order Papers introduced by our Minister of Finance Dr Michael Cullen concerning Australian unit trusts and the February 2004 storms were also considered. I also want to thank the chairperson Clayton Cosgrove members of our select committee and our Inland Revenue Department officials and Government officials for the hard work they have done on this bill and especially for engaging with the key stakeholders.
Prebble Richard: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Prebble Richard: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
[Volume:620;Page:15589] 
Hon RICHARD PREBBLE (ACT) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. It goes back to the leave sought by Mr Donald. I want to indicate to him that I am quite happy to give leave for him to table the jacket. I would not like to think that the Green Party was taking advantage of sweat labour in Thailand. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Unfortunately as the member knows that is not quite a point of order.
Hunt Jonathan: Speaker’s Rulings — Parliamentary Membership—ACT New Zealand 
Hunt Jonathan: Speaker’s Rulings — Parliamentary Membership—ACT New Zealand 
[Volume:619;Page:14513] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Honourable members last week the leader of the ACT party raised a point of order as to the implications for ACT’s parliamentary membership of a Court of Appeal judgment on the use of the Electoral (Integrity) Amendment Act 2001 to remove Donna Awatere Huata from Parliament. The court has held that at this stage there are no grounds for removing Mrs Huata under the legislation. The Court of Appeal’s judgment has no effect on ACT’s parliamentary membership. Parliamentary membership is determined entirely under the House’s own internal rules—its Standing Orders. Since the ACT leader’s advice to me under Standing Order 35 on 11 November 2003 that Mrs Huata had ceased to be a member of ACT ACT’s parliamentary membership has been eight members and that is where it remains today.
Hobbs Marian: Maori Fisheries Bill — Instruction to Committee 
Hobbs Marian: Maori Fisheries Bill — Instruction to Committee 
[Volume:620;Page:15405] 
Hon MARIAN HOBBS (Minister for the Environment) 
: 
 I move  
That it be an instruction to the Committee of the whole House on the Maori Fisheries Bill that it take the bill part by part 
.
Cullen Michael: Appointments — Judicial Conduct Commissioner 
Cullen Michael: Appointments — Judicial Conduct Commissioner 
[Volume:625;Page:20186] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Attorney-General) 
: 
 I move  
That pursuant to section 7(2) and clause 1(1) of schedule 2 of the Judicial Conduct Commissioner and Judicial Conduct Panel Act 2004 this House recommend Her Excellency the Governor-General to appoint Ian Leslie Haynes ONZM of Auckland as the Judicial Conduct Commissioner for a term of 5 years commencing on 1 August 2005 having noted that the Attorney-General advises this House in accordance with section 7(3) of the Act that the Chief Justice has been consulted about the proposed appointment. 
The principal Act was passed last year but it does not come into force until an Order in Council has been passed. My predecessor as Attorney-General received universal cross-party support for the appointment of Mr Haynes as Judicial Conduct Commissioner but he is unavailable to take up the position until late July this year hence the delay in the process. 
Mr Haynes is a very senior lawyer. He has been a partner in Kensington Swan and its predecessor firms for something over 35 years a specialist in commercial property law but also in a range of other areas. He has a special interest in the reform of the profession and professional ethics and was president of the New Zealand Law Society from 1997 to 2000 while the New Zealand Law Society reform model was pushed through with the support of the district law societies. So I think that Mr Haynes is eminently qualified to fulfil this role which is designed to be the first port of call for all complaints about judges in the future.
Beyer Georgina: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Beyer Georgina: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
[Volume:608;Page:5103] 
10.  
GEORGINA BEYER (NZ Labour—Wairarapa) 
 to the  
Minister of Education 
: What steps is the Government taking to implement the recommendations of the School Staffing Review Group? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Minister of Education) 
: 
 A substantial 774 extra teachers. 
Georgina Beyer 
: Will the Government invest in initiatives to improve teacher supply? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: Yes $22 million extra which is a 50 percent increase over 4 years. 
Hon Brian Donnelly 
: What is the point in funding additional secondary teaching positions when positions that already exist cannot be filled or are being filled with teachers of marginal quality and is it not true that if schools fill these new positions with the latter or worse the system will be negatively affected now and into the future? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: I am really pleased to tell the member that there are over 200 extra secondary trainees including nearly 100 in Auckland where the real shortage is this year. One of the good side effects of the slight disruptions we had about 12 months ago is that we have highlighted there were a lot of teaching jobs and a lot of people have enrolled in training for them.
Vote: Overseas Investment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
Vote: Overseas Investment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:626;Page:21575] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 7 
Green Party 7. 
Noes 104 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand National 25; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Rod Donald to clause 18 be agreed to: 
to add to paragraph (a) of subclause (2) the following new subparagraph: 
(vii)increased domestic substitution of imports into New Zealand.
Hunt Jonathan: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members Questions to Ministers 
Hunt Jonathan: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:615;Page:11516] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Exactly and I support that rule but I have no way of knowing myself what is in the judgment. If the member does not give the assurance then anybody is perfectly at liberty to deny leave to table it. I think that the best thing as I said before is to ask whether there is any objection. If Mr Mark does not want to make any further comment—
Simich Clem: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Procedure Referral to Health Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled  Speaker Recalled In Committee Procedure 
Simich Clem: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Procedure Referral to Health Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled  Speaker Recalled In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:613;Page:9974] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich) 
: A great number of amendments have been handed in. There are very large numbers of such amendments in the names of Katherine Rich the Hon David Carter John Carter the Hon Maurice Williamson Simon Power Lindsay Tisch and Pansy Wong. They are amendments to clause 6B: to add a new subsection (4) to section 12 and to add subsection (4) to section 13. I have had the opportunity to look at these amendments over quite a number of days and those amendments seek to exempt certain premises from the provisions of the bill. There are also amendments in the name of Richard Worth to insert a new clause 7AA and those amendments are to exempt other premises. All of these amendments are out of order as they are in the nature of private legislation and are not admissible as amendments to a public bill.
Hobbs Marian: Aquaculture Reform Bill — Second Reading Instructions to Committee In Committee 
Hobbs Marian: Aquaculture Reform Bill — Second Reading Instructions to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:622;Page:17727] 
Hon MARIAN HOBBS (Minister for the Environment) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Chadwick Steve: Criminal Justice Amendment Bill (No 7) — Consideration of Report of Health Committee Procedure In Committee 
Chadwick Steve: Criminal Justice Amendment Bill (No 7) — Consideration of Report of Health Committee Procedure In Committee 
[Volume:612;Page:9521] 
STEVE CHADWICK (Labour—Rotorua) 
: 
 I am delighted to take a quick call on this bill because I am one of three current parliamentary members who were on the original select committee. I would like to clarify a couple of points. 
I would like to acknowledge Wyatt Creech who worked very constructively with Annette King when we come into Government. This was a top-priority bill and we decided to send it to the committee where it had full support I must say. The committee worked in great accord on the bill. 
The bill fits a small niche of people with intellectual disability—it has nothing to do with deinstitutionalisation which Mr Mark seemed to confuse it with. A small group of up to a hundred people with an intellectual disability have been quite incorrectly housed when they get into difficulties with the law. Provision for housing has been carried over in the Budget to build appropriate supported residential care for this very small group of people. 
It is a great bill. It is a bill on which we should not be bitterly divided. The committee worked in accord on the bill and saw it as a very high priority. The gap concerned Wyatt Creech; it took 7 years to work up the bill so it could go to the select committee. Three years later we are now debating it in the House. I am delighted to support this bill. 
Members of the community with intellectual disabilities will be thrilled about this bill because they have always felt they are muddled up with people with mental ill-health. They do not fit that community of interest as a client group. They came before us and urged the passage of this bill and will be very delighted with its outcome when it is passed into law.
Mapp Wayne: Building Bill — In Committee Procedure 
Mapp Wayne: Building Bill — In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:619;Page:14823] 
Dr WAYNE MAPP (National—North Shore) 
: 
 I note that the Hon John Tamihere the Minister who has just been referred to extensively in various contributions is in the chair. Do members know what the unfortunate thing about that is? He has not taken a single call on this bill. He is in charge of it and he has not taken a single call. This Minister is the man who goes out of his way to say he supports small business. It is one of his ministerial portfolios. 
Clayton Cosgrove 
: Talk about the bill. 
Dr WAYNE MAPP 
: Small business for the benefit of the member who interjected and who does not really know a great deal is in fact the guy out there with his ute his dog and his radio working hard building houses doing renovations and getting ahead. These are the sorts of guys—the red-blooded blokes—that Mr Tamihere and his mates “Swainy and the boys” are supposed to be representing. Are they going to do that? 
What they have done instead in this bill is put barriers in their way because we now have registered building practitioners and there is an enormous complexity of compliance around that. So instead of making it easier to get into business they have made it harder. We know that there are things to be fixed in the Building Act. We know that New Zealanders deserve to have good homes that are well built and so forth. This kind of regulation will not achieve it. I was amazed to hear that the lapdogs of the Government the United Future party are so— 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: Please be seated. The member cannot refer to a party in that manner. A party is made up of members. Please withdraw that remark. 
Dr WAYNE MAPP 
: I will withdraw that particular remark and refer to the craven supporters of the Government—the party known as United Future which never exercises its own judgment.
Vote: Copyright (Parallel Importation of Films and Onus of Proof) Amendment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Third Reading 
Vote: Copyright (Parallel Importation of Films and Onus of Proof) Amendment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:612;Page:9397] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That clause 1 be agreed to. 
Ayes 69 
New Zealand Labour 52; Green Party 9; United Future 8. 
Noes 48 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8. 
Clause 1 agreed to.
Vote: Fiordland (Te Moana o Atawhenua) Marine  Management Bill — In Committee Third Reading 
Vote: Fiordland (Te Moana o Atawhenua) Marine  Management Bill — In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:625;Page:19888] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 10 
Green Party 9; Maori Party 1. 
Noes 108 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 7; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendments in the name of Metiria Turei to clause 14 be agreed to: 
to omit from paragraph (a) of subclause (2) the expression “Minister of Conservation”; 
to omit from paragraph (d) of subclause (2) the expression “.” and substitute the expression “: and”; and 
to add after paragraph (d) of subclause (2) the following new paragraph: 
(e)ensure that one member is nominated by the New Zealand Conservation Authority.
Vote: Gambling Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Vote: Gambling Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:611;Page:8513] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 62 
Labour 52; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 55 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 6; Green Party 9. 
Amendments agreed to.
Dunne Peter: Christchurch City Council (Robert McDougall Gallery) Land Vesting Bill — Procedure Second Reading 
Dunne Peter: Christchurch City Council (Robert McDougall Gallery) Land Vesting Bill — Procedure Second Reading 
[Volume:611;Page:8795] 
Hon PETER DUNNE (Leader—United Future) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I do not object to the tabling of the minutes of the Business Committee but I seek your advice upon an aspect of it. My understanding is that the minutes of committee meetings cannot be tabled in the House until they have been cleared by the committee itself—in other words adopted by the committee. The Business Committee met yesterday and the minutes have been circulating today. I do not think they have been adopted by the committee. Therefore while I have no objection to full disclosure I question whether it is in order for minutes that are not yet the official record of the committee to be tabled in the House.
Points of Order — Parliament Buildings—Media Access 
Points of Order — Parliament Buildings—Media Access 
[Volume:625;Page:19733] 
Tuesday 12 April 2005 
Madam Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Prayers 
. 
Points of Order 
Parliament Buildings—Media Access 
GORDON COPELAND (United Future) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. Unfortunately I am continuing a point of order that has been brought to your attention on a couple of other occasions recently. On my way to the House today trying to get through the media scrum on the bridge between the Beehive and this building while walking dead in the middle of that bridge I was physically jostled by a camera operator to quite an extent. I know that the media want to get their shots but I as a member of this Parliament want to get to the House. I ask you again to look into the situation because I believe that it has got to the stage where someone will eventually end up in quite a tangle and maybe on the floor. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: I thank the member. The Hon Richard Prebble has raised a similar point. I am in the process of looking into that and I will report back. 
Rodney Hide 
: Point of order— 
Madam SPEAKER 
: I have ruled on the point of order. Is this a new point of order? 
RODNEY HIDE (Leader—ACT) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. It may help on that matter if you were to tell Labour Party Ministers and MPs that when there are pressing issues of the day they should front up to the media. The difficulty is that the media cannot get to interview them at any other time. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: That is not a point of order. I remind members that those who make points of order that are not points of order come close to being disruptive in the House. 
RON MARK (NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. In order to be helpful to other members may I suggest through you that there are about three other ways we can use to get to this Chamber using the ground floor— 
Madam SPEAKER 
: That is also not a point of order.
Vote: Urgency 
Vote: Urgency 
[Volume:610;Page:7707] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That urgency be accorded. 
Ayes 69 
Labour 50; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 48 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8. 
Abstentions 1 
Hunt. 
Motion agreed to.
Peck Mark: Wool Industry Restructuring Bill — Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
Peck Mark: Wool Industry Restructuring Bill — Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:609;Page:7110] 
MARK PECK (NZ Labour—Invercargill) 
: 
 I will take only a very short call on this bill and say to the member who preceded me that one of the things I miss about not being on the Primary Production Committee is being there for his deliberations. He is a humorous member. He says he is not a lawyer but can I tell him he is probably a better lawyer than he was a farmer—and he might take that as a compliment. 
I simply want to say that this bill continues with the restructuring of our primary industries and it is a good piece of legislation. I pass on a little bit of thanks to a person who has not been mentioned so far in this debate a bloke called Robin Campbell. He is a farmer who lives just outside the Otago electorate. He is on the AgResearch board and has done quite a bunch of research work in that area. I certainly want to pass on my congratulations to him on the work he has done on this bill and to the select committee on the work it has done in bringing the bill back to the House.
Hunt Jonathan: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Procedure Referral to Health Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled  Speaker Recalled In Committee Procedure 
Hunt Jonathan: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Procedure Referral to Health Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled  Speaker Recalled In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:613;Page:9976] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Thank you. Would you please explain the circumstances. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich) 
: On Part 2 of the Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill which we have been debating there have been several hundred amendments of a particular nature. These amendments came from many members. They were to section 12 in clause 6B to add a new subsection (4) and to section 13 in clause 6B to add a new subsection (4). All the amendments sought to exempt certain premises from the provisions of the bill. It was my judgment that the amendments were out of order because they were in the nature of private legislation and not admissible as amendments to a public bill. With some explanations I so ruled and the authority for it is on page 849 of  
Erskine May 
. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Thank you very much. Does anyone wish to contribute to the debate?
Vote: Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims Bill — In Committee Procedure Third Reading 
Vote: Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims Bill — In Committee Procedure Third Reading 
[Volume:626;Page:20977] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 55 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 7; United Future 8. 
Noes 62 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Marc Alexander to clause 14(1) be agreed to: 
to omit paragraphs (a) and (b).
Mackey Moana: Care of Children Bill — In Committee Procedure 
Mackey Moana: Care of Children Bill — In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:621;Page:16688] 
MOANA MACKEY (Labour) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Roy Heather: Health (National Cervical Screening Programme) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Roy Heather: Health (National Cervical Screening Programme) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:615;Page:11339] 
HEATHER ROY (ACT) 
: 
 It gives me great pleasure to speak to the title phase of the bill. I note the title has changed from the Health (Screening Programmes) Amendment Bill to the Health (National Cervical Screening Programme) Amendment Bill. In fact that is a very good change and one that I along with many other members of the Health Committee pushed for. Many committee members felt that not all screening programmes could be covered by the bill. They felt it was inappropriate that other screening programmes that might later come to light should be part of this legislation. Rather they felt those programmes should have their own legislation governing them. The rules and regulations surrounding cervical screening might be and probably are very different from those that would be necessary in programmes for prostate screening or breast screening for example. So the title is a good change and is very much welcomed. ACT New Zealand is supporting the bill in its entirety and is very supportive of the change of title. 
It is very important to remember that screening programmes are a public good. There were many discussions in the select committee and we spent a long time discussing the privacy issues surrounding screening programmes. I think they have been dealt with and we have reached a consensus. Compromises have been made but they are necessary ones if we are to save lives with programmes of this nature. 
The cervical screening programme costs $35 million of taxpayers’ funding a year. I put in a written question about the programme’s cost to the Minister of Health and that was the response that came back. That is a lot of money but it is important to remember that many lives are saved with programmes of this nature. Certainly there is very good international experience and research to support that position. 
In New Zealand we have seen significant improvements in the mortality rate relating to cervical cancer—particularly over the last decade and in fact over the last 20 or so years. Although it is difficult to specify just what exactly has brought about that change it is thought that the National Cervical Screening Programme has had a significant part to play in it. 
I really just wanted to take a brief call to address the title which in this case was changed part way through the process but for very good reason. ACT takes great pleasure in supporting this bill and we look forward to a further improvement in the mortality rate from cervical cancer in New Zealand as a result of the very good and cooperative work achieved through the processing of this bill.
Vote: Public Finance (State Sector Management) Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume 
Vote: Public Finance (State Sector Management) Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Sitting date: 14 December 2004. Volume:622;Page:17895. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 9 
Green Party 9. 
Noes 110 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 315 in the name of the Hon Dr Michael Cullen to Part 4 be agreed to.
Cullen Michael: Financial Review Debate — Procedure In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Cullen Michael: Financial Review Debate — Procedure In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:616;Page:11861] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 The defence that has been offered by the member is that Dr Smith’s remarks were in the form of debating material. That argument must fall at the first hurdle since the comment was aimed at the person in the Chair and the person in the Chair cannot be part of the debate. The debate is between the members opposite and the members on this side of the Chamber and the Chair is impartial between those two sides. So that defence fails immediately. By making that comment clearly the member cast doubt on whether his previous withdrawal and apology had been unreserved as is required by  
Speakers’ Rulings 
.
Jones Dail: Foreshore and Seabed Bill — First Reading 
Jones Dail: Foreshore and Seabed Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:617;Page:12739] 
DAIL JONES (Junior Whip—NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point order Mr Speaker. I am quite happy for Mr Smith to get the first 5 minutes and I will take the next 5 minutes. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Let me just say that this is a 10-minute call in total. It would go to one or other member. We are proposing that those members have 5 minutes each. Does anyone object to that? No. There is a 5-minute call to the Hon Nick Smith.
Robertson H V Ross: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Robertson H V Ross: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:609;Page:6687] 
9.  
H V ROSS ROBERTSON (NZ Labour—Manukau East) 
 to the  
Minister for Small Business 
: What success has the Government had in implementing the recommendations of the Ministerial Panel on Business Compliance Costs? 
Hon JOHN TAMIHERE (Minister for Small Business) 
: 
 Today I have released the Government’s report back on the implementation of the recommendations. I am pleased to announce that over 80 percent of the recommendations are now implemented or are in the process of implementation. Together these represent at least 95 percent of potential benefits from compliance cost reduction to all small businesses in New Zealand. 
H V Ross Robertson 
: What initiatives have been taken to improve Resource Management Act applications to facilitate resource consents—a common compliance-related complaint of developers? 
Hon JOHN TAMIHERE 
: Additional funding for the Environment Court and collaboration between the Ministry for the Environment and the Environment Court mean that significant reductions in Environment Court backlog and delays are being achieved to the extent of over one-third or 1000 cases in 1 year. The introduction of limited notification has curbed frivolous and vexatious objections. If the member wishes to know more about developments in this area I suggest he set down a question to the hard-working Minister for the Environment. 
Lindsay Tisch 
: What was the position of the Ministerial Panel on Business Compliance Costs on today’s tax increase of 3c per litre of petrol and also its position on the proposed flatulence tax on farmers? 
Hon JOHN TAMIHERE 
: It had no position on those matters.
English Bill: Points of Order —  
English Bill: Points of Order —  
[Volume:620;Page:16082] 
Hon BILL ENGLISH (National—Clutha-Southland) 
: 
 It may be up to Ministers as to who are their advisers on a bill but it is up to Parliament to decide who has access to the lobbies. The process that goes on in here is rather different from the process that goes on for Ministers in the Beehive. Voting is done here and amendments are put up. That is why access is controlled—so that the process of Parliament can continue unimpeded and without threatening external influence. 
 If I take your comment at face value you are saying that if a Minister decides someone is his or her adviser then that person has free access to any part of the precincts of this Chamber. That cannot be the case if the Minister decides who is allowed to be in the lobbies of this Parliament. It is up to Parliament to decide that because the lobbies are part of the precincts of this Chamber. Even you Mr Speaker do not have the capacity to change the rules so that Ministers can decide. So I recommend that you give this matter much further consideration than the somewhat intemperate comments that have just been made. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I have not made intemperate comments. I said to the member that I would look at this matter further and I will do so and I will report back to the House.
Hawkins George: Gambling Bill — Third Reading 
Hawkins George: Gambling Bill — Third Reading 
[Volume:611;Page:8636] 
Hon GEORGE HAWKINS (Minister of Internal Affairs) 
: 
 I move  
That the Gambling Bill be now read a third time 
. I want to thank the members of the Government Administration Committee and the staff of the Department of Internal Affairs. Gambling is a complex issue. The challenge is to balance the harm against the benefit. I believe that the bill achieves a good balance. This is reflected in its four main objectives which are to control the growth of gambling to reduce the harm caused by gambling to ensure that gambling raises funds for the community and to ensure that the community has involvement in decisions about access to gambling. The bill seeks a restraints approach to gambling. 
The Supplementary Order Paper in my name amended the bill to allow the Lotteries Commission to sell its products by way of remote interactive gambling. I would like to thank United Future for supporting the Government on this amendment. Over the course of time this should mean a little more money for the community. At the same time I want to assure members that the Lotteries Commission’s products will remain relatively harmless. The TAB has run remote interactive gambling on the Internet since 1998. I am confident that this bill strikes an appropriate balance and will significantly improve the current system. I commend the bill to the House.
Vote: Supreme Court Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Supreme Court Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:612;Page:9018] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 51 
New Zealand National 25; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 8. 
Noes 63 
New Zealand Labour 52; Green Party 9; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Richard Worth to insert the following new clause 6A be agreed to: 
6AThe Supreme Court shall only be established with the majority of 75 percent of the House of Representatives.
Vote: Telecommunications (Interception Capability) Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
Vote: Telecommunications (Interception Capability) Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:616;Page:12285] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 1 as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 110 
New Zealand Labour 52; New Zealand National 26; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 8; Progressive 2; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Noes 9 
Green Party 9. 
Part 1 as amended agreed to.
Mark Ron: Courts and Criminal Matters Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Mark Ron: Courts and Criminal Matters Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:626;Page:21685] 
RON MARK (NZ First) 
: 
 I seek the leave of the House to table a report of one Dane Anthony Blake aged 19 who had $22000 wiped off his fines by Judge Moran. 
Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to table that report. Is there any objection? There is.
Vote: Public Records Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
Vote: Public Records Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:625;Page:20001] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That clause 2 be agreed to. 
Ayes 83 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 35 
New Zealand National 27; ACT New Zealand 7; Maori Party 1. 
Clause 2 agreed to. 
Bill reported without amendment. 
Report adopted.
Smith Nick: Wellington City Council (Te Aro Reclamation) Amendment Bill — In Committee Procedure 
Smith Nick: Wellington City Council (Te Aro Reclamation) Amendment Bill — In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:618;Page:13871] 
Hon Dr NICK SMITH (National—Nelson) 
: 
 This is a non-controversial bill that has the support of every party in the House. It has been around for some time. Therefore I seek leave for the bill’s third reading to be held forthwith with 5-minute speeches per party. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: The member is perfectly entitled to seek leave for that. Is there any objection to that course of action being taken? There is.
Choudhary Ashraf: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Choudhary Ashraf: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:610;Page:7831] 
9.  
Dr ASHRAF CHOUDHARY (NZ Labour) 
 to the  
Minister of Education 
: What initiatives has the Government put in place to promote the development of new approaches to information and communications technologies in teaching? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Minister of Education) 
: 
 I am happy to announce that 10 new e-learning scholarships will be made available to help teachers expand teaching and learning through information and communications technology. Over $4 million has been earmarked for those year-long scholarships over the next 4 years which will greatly contribute to national and international research as new approaches to learning through information and communications technology are developed and shared. 
Dr Ashraf Choudhary 
: Why are information and communications technologies viewed as such an important issue in modern teaching? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: Information and communications technology has become an essential life skill. It is vitally important that we give teachers greater opportunities to enhance their expertise in this area and that we encourage them to pass that expertise on to others. Freeing up 10 teachers to lead this work is very exciting but I do want to deny rumours that Maurice Williamson is one of them.
Awatere Huata Donna: Motions — Confidence Motion—Government 
Awatere Huata Donna: Motions — Confidence Motion—Government 
[Volume:617;Page:12540] 
DONNA AWATERE HUATA (Independent) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I was not aware of what the vote was on. I seek your indulgence to let me know what the vote is on so that I can vote accordingly.
Vote: Local Government (Auckland) Amendment Bill — In Committee Third Reading 
Vote: Local Government (Auckland) Amendment Bill — In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:618;Page:14049] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That clause 1 be agreed to. 
Ayes 83 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 35 
New Zealand National 27; ACT New Zealand 8. 
Clause 1 agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 231 in the name of the Hon Chris Carter to clause 2 be agreed to.
Copeland Gordon: Customs and Excise (Motor Spirits) Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
Copeland Gordon: Customs and Excise (Motor Spirits) Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
[Volume:623;Page:18694] 
GORDON COPELAND (United Future) 
:  
I seek leave to table the 1996 coalition agreement between New Zealand First and the National Party in which both parties gave their word that they would form a coalition Government for the 3 years through to 1999. 
Document not tabled.
Pettis Jill: Resource Management (Aquaculture Moratorium Extension) Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Pettis Jill: Resource Management (Aquaculture Moratorium Extension) Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:616;Page:11670] 
JILL PETTIS (Senior Whip—Labour) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Franks Stephen: Urgent Debates Declined — Deed of Settlement—Ngati Awa Defence Cooperation 
Franks Stephen: Urgent Debates Declined — Deed of Settlement—Ngati Awa Defence Cooperation 
[Volume:607;Page:4421] 
STEPHEN FRANKS (ACT NZ) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I just seek clarification of your ruling on the earlier application. I understand you to have said that the application was turned down on the grounds that it related to a decision or a matter yet to occur when in fact I believe that my letter referred to the decision of the Government which has been made to proceed with a signing tomorrow. In other words the part that is yet to occur is simply executory.
Sowry Roger: Status of Redundancy Payments Bill — First Reading 
Sowry Roger: Status of Redundancy Payments Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:606;Page:4046] 
Hon ROGER SOWRY (Deputy Leader—NZ National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I wonder how there can be confusion when my understanding is that all the parties that voted to oppose the resolution to change the committee had talked about it and had decided that they were going to vote against it. Confusion arose only when the Deputy Prime Minister came in and started sending signals to United Future that it was to toe the line with Labour. If United Future votes the way that it feels that vote should stand. United Future should not come in here and be bullied by Labour all the time. That is not very appropriate at all. The vote had been conducted and people had voted freely in Parliament as is their duty. That party should not now be given an opportunity to change its mind after being pressured by the Minister.
Parker David: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Parker David: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
[Volume:611;Page:8253] 
DAVID PARKER (NZ Labour—Otago) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. My first point of order is in respect of the number of questions today. I think you might be in error as to the counting of supplementary questions from the Government side in that a supplementary question was not asked in question No. 1. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Supplementary questions are counted on the ordinary 12 questions. They are not counted on questions to members. 
DAVID PARKER 
: I seek leave to table the minutes of the 13 March 2003 meeting when Dr Smith voted in favour of requesting the Clerk of the House to advise who would be the best of two experts to assist the committee but did not disclose his conflict of interest. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave has already been sought and granted but I will seek leave for that particular meeting’s minutes to be tabled. 
Documents by leave laid on the Table of the House.
Yates Dianne: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Yates Dianne: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:610;Page:7222] 
7.  
DIANNE YATES (NZ Labour—Hamilton East) 
 to the  
Minister for ACC 
: What action is ACC taking to implement improved health and safety provisions in workplaces? 
Hon RUTH DYSON (Minister for ACC) 
: 
 I had great pleasure recently in launching the first-ever training programme for elected workplace health and safety representatives. The Accident Compensation Corporation has developed this programme in partnership with the New Zealand Council of Trade Unions. The Accident Compensation Corporation and the New Zealand Council of Trade Unions aim to train 5000 health and safety representatives during the next 12 months. This initiative will play an important role in reducing the toll of workplace injuries. 
Question interrupted.
Barker Rick: Electoral Matters Bill — First Reading 
Barker Rick: Electoral Matters Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:618;Page:14212] 
Hon RICK BARKER (Associate Minister of Justice) 
: 
 I move  
That the Electoral Matters Bill be referred to the Justice and Electoral Committee for consideration and that the committee present its final report on or before 1 November 2004 and that the committee have the authority to meet at any time while the House is sitting except during questions for oral answer during any evening on a day on which there has been a sitting of the House and on a Friday in a week in which there has been a sitting of the House despite Standing Orders 191 and 194(1)(b) and (c).