McAnulty KieranKIERAN McANULTY (Labour—Wairarapa): The member the Hon David Bennett has no grounds to be smug. He stands up today and presents himself as someone that's advocating for farm owners at the expense of forestry conversions.I asked the Parliamentary Library: how many questions have the National Party asked about carbon farming or farm conversions since the last election? I asked the Parliamentary Library how many times a National Party MP has made a general debate contribution about farm conversions to forestry be it production or carbon forestry. The answer is zero. Not one contribution all of this term—18 months.They stand here tonight with the gall to pretend that they are worried about this issue. But they have not used a single opportunity in the general debate—and the general debate is a chance for any MP to speak about any issue that they care about. They present themselves to be the party of rural New Zealand and they have said nothing.They have also not taken any opportunity to ask a question about this to any Minister. Why? Because they do not care about this issue. There's another reason to amplify why they do not care. At the last election there was one party and one party alone that presented a policy solution to this issue. It was the Labour Party. The National Party had no policy and you can always tell when you hit a nerve. That's when they start to yell. You know when you're making a point that really hits home and Nicola Grigg stands up and dedicates her entire speech to carbon farming despite the fact this bill has nothing to do with carbon farming. This is entirely dedicated to production farming and it is the right thing to do. But do not stand up and pretend that you are fighting for farming communities and trying to stop farms being converted to carbon forests when you've done nothing about it. No policies no questions no general debate contributions. Laugh all you like but you have done nothing. I wrote the policy for the Labour Party. I put it forward to the Labour Party. They adopted it. They are implementing it.There are three parts to addressing this issue; this bill is the first part. The second part is the consultation document that this Government put out that said How about we actually put in native forests instead of pine forests?" That was a result of this Government and its rural MPs actually listing to their constituencies.What did the National Party do? Nothing. What was the third part that we're going to do? We are in the process—and soon to be announced—to give local communities the ability that they used to have but that Government took it away to actually put this as a consentable activity. Local communities actually say where these conversions can actually happen in their communities. Instead of seeing full-scale conversions of farms to carbon forests actually indicating that "These are the areas we want them and these areas we don't." How about we encourage farmers to work together find a band of land on their farm and a band of land on the other farm?If we carried on like they're doing—doing absolutely nothing about it—areas in my electorate like Pongaroa and Tīnui and in other areas like Wairoa will continue to be converted. Why? Because that is the settings of the emissions trading scheme (ETS).If David Bennett wants to accuse parties of being honest how about they be upfront? What we're seeing here in terms of conversions for carbon forestry is the result of the ETS—the ETS that has been in place for many many years and that Government did nothing about it.We need to plant trees. The question is: "Where?" The question is not why; we know why. We just need to figure out where we put it. Now if we carried on like that lot wants us to do we would see rural communities decimated. The gall that's what's got me. The gall that they stand up today and pretend that they care when they have genuinely done nothing about it. No press releases no policy no speeches no questions. Laugh all you like; you know it's true. You've done bugger all about it. This is the Government that's actually doing something about forestry and that's why I'm voting for this bill.ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Ian McKelvie): Order! Order! I'll just remind members on my left that if you hadn't made so much noise the member wouldn't have had to speak so loudly."