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Vote: Gambling Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Vote: Gambling Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:611;Page:8470] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 48 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8. 
Noes 71 
Labour 52; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 132 in the name of the Hon George Hawkins to Part 1 be agreed to.
Franks Stephen: Points of Order — Questions for Oral Answer—Deferment 
Franks Stephen: Points of Order — Questions for Oral Answer—Deferment 
[Volume:625;Page:20522] 
STEPHEN FRANKS (ACT) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker.
Cullen Michael: Motions — Auckland Mosques—Attack 
Cullen Michael: Motions — Auckland Mosques—Attack 
[Volume:627;Page:22029] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I am responding in part to Mr Peters. I was at the Business Committee meeting and I think it is fair to say that the Business Committee did not agree to this motion being moved. At least two parties indicated that they would disagree with the motion being moved—not the Labour Party I may say or the Progressive Party.
Duncan Helen: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Duncan Helen: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:611;Page:8197] 
8.  
HELEN DUNCAN (NZ Labour) 
 to the  
Minister of Education 
: What initiatives are being introduced to improve teacher responsiveness to students’ reading and writing difficulties at primary school level? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Minister of Education) 
: 
 This morning I released a new book called “ 
Effective Literacy Practice in Years 1 to 4” 
. I expect that this publication will have a significant impact on developing successful reading and writing skills for children. 
Helen Duncan 
: How does this initiative fit within the Government’s wider programme to improve literacy and numeracy outcomes for our school students? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: One of this Government’s top education priorities is to make sure that all children regardless of their background and life experiences have the chance to reach their full potential. This initiative is an important part of that. 
Hon Brian Donnelly 
: Does the need for this initiative demonstrate that many teachers are not adequately prepared through their pre-service training to provide appropriate analysis and remediation in these core curriculum areas; if so what is he doing about pre-service training programmes to ensure that all teachers are adequately equipped? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: Yes. An important part of the work this Government is doing through the Tertiary Education Advisory Commission and the Teachers Council is to work towards improving the standards of pre-service teacher education. One of the advantages we now have is high-quality research that tells us what should be done—something that has not been available up until the last couple of years.
Power Simon: Overseas Investment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
Power Simon: Overseas Investment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:626;Page:21580] 
SIMON POWER (Senior Whip—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Chairperson. Prior to the dinner break the Chairperson went through with members the concerns we had regarding amendments and Standing Order 120. That Standing Order refers to the fact that an amendment must be put into writing signed by the mover and delivered to the Table. Prior to the dinner break we discussed the fact that Mr Donald had moved amendments but they had been signed by Mr Locke. We had a discussion about whether that affected the validity of the amendments and what would become of them in terms of their standing now that the vote had been taken on them. The Chairperson prior to the dinner break indicated that he would get a ruling from the Speaker and I am asking at this point whether that ruling is forthcoming.
Mackey Moana: Health (National Cervical Screening Programme) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Mackey Moana: Health (National Cervical Screening Programme) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:615;Page:11284] 
MOANA MACKEY (Labour) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Pettis Jill: Holidays Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
Pettis Jill: Holidays Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
[Volume:621;Page:16268] 
JILL PETTIS (Labour—Whanganui) 
: 
 I am very pleased to support this bill.
Soper Lesley: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Soper Lesley: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:625;Page:20055] 
12.  
LESLEY SOPER (Labour) 
 to the  
Associate Minister of Education 
: What reports if any has he received on attitudes to national testing of primary school children? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Minister of Education) 
 on behalf of the 
 Associate Minister of Education 
: I have seen reports that England will dump compulsory exams for young children because it is too stressful for the children. A survey of parents in England showed that one in ten 7-year-olds was reduced to tears and that many lost sleep over the tests. I agree with Bill English who said that National would not introduce a pen and paper test. It is a pity that he could not convince Don Brash. 
Lesley Soper 
: What are the alternatives to compulsory national exams for primary school students? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: An alternative would be the asTTle approach to testing young people—a very good system well supported by Bill English. But as he recently explained to a visiting person Terry Price he got rolled. 
Hon Bill English 
: Can the Minister confirm that he is making all that up that National is not proposing national testing and that in fact our policy represents another logical step on top of his policy? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: I know that imitation is the best form of flattery and that the member is pretending to do that but compulsory tests for 7-year-olds with pencils and paper are exams and we are not doing it. 
Hon Bill English 
: I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. We are having trouble today with the Minister making up National Party policy and pretending it exists when it does not so that he can then attack it. What kind of opportunity within the Standing Orders do I have to correct that? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: I think there is a very easy way of doing it—that the document I have been using as my source document be tabled in the House. I seek leave to do it. 
Document by leave laid on the Table of the House. 
Bernie Ogilvy 
: Does the Minister agree that it would be beneficial for schools that already use diagnostic tools such as asTTle to test against national standards to report the results to parents as it is currently not a requirement to do so; if not why not? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: I expect that because the relevant clauses on planning and reporting in the Education Standards Act are coming into effect at some stage we will reach the point whereby the profession will take responsibility for reporting to all parents their children’s asTTle tests.
Vote: Resource Management (Aquaculture Moratorium Extension) Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
Vote: Resource Management (Aquaculture Moratorium Extension) Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
[Volume:615;Page:11610] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Resource Management (Aquaculture Moratorium Extension) Amendment Bill be now read a second time. 
Ayes 81 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 7; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 31 
New Zealand National 23; ACT New Zealand 7; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Bill read a second time.
Carter John: Employment Relations (Flexible Working Hours) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Carter John: Employment Relations (Flexible Working Hours) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:624;Page:19717] 
JOHN CARTER (National—Northland) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. The leave that was sought was in order for us to move forward from a difficult position. Leave was sought by Nick Smith and then moved further by Gerry Brownlee to allow Sue Kedgley to make a contribution. The point that I want to make to the House is this. We are trying to move forward so that we can actually get back to the Government’s business and the Government has seen that as a sensible way forward. What we are now asking is that Sue Kedgley be given an extra 5 minutes or whatever time she needs—less than that— 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I am aware of that. 
JOHN CARTER 
: —and that Mr Prebble’s contribution follow if he comes down to the House. It is just to help the House move forward.
Tisch Lindsay: Christchurch City Council (Robert McDougall Gallery) Land Vesting Bill — Procedure Second Reading 
Tisch Lindsay: Christchurch City Council (Robert McDougall Gallery) Land Vesting Bill — Procedure Second Reading 
[Volume:611;Page:8777] 
LINDSAY TISCH (Junior Whip—NZ National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. The point that my colleague Mr Brownlee has just made is that our Christchurch members are actually in the House and they all want to speak on this bill. It is significant for that region. Also if we were to have the normal procedure for debates and the normal schedule for the calling of the parties National would be entitled to only three speeches of 10 minutes. Because we are in one debate covering the Committee stage and the third reading I am seeking that our members from Christchurch be given that opportunity to take the allotted times of those parties whose members do not speak. We would still get through the bill within 2 hours which is actually what is on the Order Paper—twelve 10-minute speeches which is 2 hours. It is our view that we would be well within that time. What I am seeking is that our Christchurch speakers be allowed to have a 10-minute speech each. I seek leave on that matter.
Hobbs Marian: Television New Zealand Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Hobbs Marian: Television New Zealand Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:606;Page:3756] 
Hon MARIAN HOBBS (Minister for the Environment) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Key John: Personal Explanations — Apology—Withdrawal of Comment 
Key John: Personal Explanations — Apology—Withdrawal of Comment 
[Volume:620;Page:15945] 
JOHN KEY (National—Helensville) 
: 
 Yesterday during the general debate I attempted to interpret an allegation made by Mr Tanczos and cast over all members of this House—an allegation to which I took personal offence. In doing so I unintentionally caused offence to another member of this House the Rt Hon Winston Peters. That was unintended on my part. I wish to withdraw that comment and to apologise to Mr Peters for any personal slight or incorrect inference that could be taken from my comments yesterday.
Prebble Richard: Electricity and Gas Industries Bill — In Committee 
Prebble Richard: Electricity and Gas Industries Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:620;Page:15725] 
Hon RICHARD PREBBLE (ACT) 
: 
 Well I was trying to give Mr Copeland the benefit of the doubt because in fact he interrupted Mr Brown’s speech when Mr Brown had actually made the points he was referring to. I presumed that Mr Copeland would not be relitigating a point of order he had already made and that he was raising a new matter. Mr Brown after that point of order corrected himself and then went on to point out that United Future did not have a member on the committee. In fact Mr Copeland’s point of order is completely out of order because it should have been raised at the time and not afterwards. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich) 
: I thank members for that. The ruling is that Mr Copeland was out of order and he should not interrupt a member’s speech when he does not have a proper point of order. That is the way it is. Mr Brown was not referring to any absence from the committee in a way that is covered by Standing Orders or Speakers’ rulings.
Field Taito Phillip: Customs and Excise (Alcoholic Beverages) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
Field Taito Phillip: Customs and Excise (Alcoholic Beverages) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:608;Page:5399] 
TAITO PHILLIP FIELD (NZ Labour—Mangere) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Simich Clem: Overseas Investment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
Simich Clem: Overseas Investment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:626;Page:21579] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich) 
: No I do not need any assistance on that. I have accepted those amendments based on the longstanding practice of doing it in just that way. All the amendments were put and they were dealt with. Decisions were made and the votes were all lost. So other than to urge the Speaker to give a clear ruling on that—as I am sure the Speaker will—so that we can incorporate that longstanding practice through the Standing Orders I cannot take it any further.
Vote: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Procedure Referral to Health Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled  Speaker Recalled In Committee Procedure 
Vote: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Procedure Referral to Health Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled  Speaker Recalled In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:613;Page:9979] 
A party vote  was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 67 
New Zealand Labour 52; New Zealand National 3; New Zealand First 1; Green Party 9; Progressive 2. 
Noes 53 
New Zealand National 24; New Zealand First 12; ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Amendment agreed to.
Hunt Jonathan: Visitors — Representatives of Sami Parliament Norway 
Hunt Jonathan: Visitors — Representatives of Sami Parliament Norway 
[Volume:607;Page:4485] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I have much pleasure in informing members that representatives of the Sami Parliament of Norway led by the Vice-PresidentMs Ragnhild Lydia Nystad are present in the gallery. I am sure we would wish that they be welcomed.
Simich Clem: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Procedure Referral to Health Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled  Speaker Recalled In Committee Procedure 
Simich Clem: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Procedure Referral to Health Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled  Speaker Recalled In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:613;Page:9976] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich) 
: Mr Speaker you have been recalled to hear and adjudicate on the matter I was dealing with in Committee.
Vote: Taxation (Depreciation Payment Dates Alignment FBT and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill — First Reading 
Vote: Taxation (Depreciation Payment Dates Alignment FBT and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:626;Page:21232] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Taxation (Depreciation Payment Dates Alignment FBT and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill be now read a first time. 
Ayes 83 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 31 
New Zealand National 26; ACT New Zealand 5. 
Bill read a first time. 
Bill referred to the Finance and Expenditure Committee.referred to Finance and Expenditure Committee
Peters Winston: Sittings of the House 
Peters Winston: Sittings of the House 
[Volume:625;Page:20487] 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 I seek leave to continue until 6 o’clock. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Is there any objection to that course of action being taken? There appears to be none. The member has 2 minutes. 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS 
: Wonderful— 
Rodney Hide 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker— 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS 
: No the member was too late on his feet. Now he wants to raise points of order. He made no objection.  
Rodney Hide 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I objected as soon as you said it. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Did the member object? 
Rodney Hide 
: I absolutely did. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: The member objected. OK. The honourable member Jill Pettis—[ 
Interruption 
] I am on my feet. Mr Hide has taken objection which means that leave will not be given. The honourable member Jill Pettis was seeking leave for the House to adjourn.
Mackey Janet: Civil Aviation Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Mackey Janet: Civil Aviation Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:615;Page:11457] 
JANET MACKEY (Labour—East Coast) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
. 
Motion agreed to. 
Clause 1 agreed to. 
Bill reported with amendment.
Vote: Electricity and Gas Industries Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Electricity and Gas Industries Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:620;Page:15994] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 5 be agreed to. 
Ayes 71 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2; Maori Party 1. 
Noes 48 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8. 
Part 5 agreed to.
Cullen Michael: Points of Order — Chamber—Absence of Members 
Cullen Michael: Points of Order — Chamber—Absence of Members 
[Volume:624;Page:19306] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I assume the point of order is out of order because he is referring to the absence of members. Otherwise we would point out that ACT has only four of its nine members present and National has only 16 of its 27—with 11 away. I think you will find the proportions are relatively similar around the House today. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: I think that point has been well canvassed.
Cullen Michael: Business of Select Committees 
Cullen Michael: Business of Select Committees 
[Volume:606;Page:4059] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I seek leave for the time by which the Health Committee must finally report the Smoke-free Environments (Enhanced Protection) Amendment Bill to be extended to 4 April 2003. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Is there any objection to that course being followed? There appears to be none. 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN 
: I seek leave for the Hon Matt Robson to be a member of the Transport and Industrial Relations Committee for the purpose of its consideration of the Holidays Bill and the Holidays (Four Weeks Annual Leave) Amendment Bill but without the right to vote on any question before the committee. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Is there any objection to that course being followed?. There appears to be none.
Vote: Fair Trading Amendment Bill (No 3) — In Committee 
Vote: Fair Trading Amendment Bill (No 3) — In Committee 
[Volume:609;Page:6845] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 32 
New Zealand National 25; ACT New Zealand 7. 
Noes 82 
Labour 52; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8. 
Amendment not agreed to
Donnelly Brian: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Donnelly Brian: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:623;Page:18464] 
8.  
Hon BRIAN DONNELLY (NZ First) 
 to the  
Minister of Education 
: Does he believe that the New Zealand education system has the confidence of the public; if not will he be making changes to either personnel or policy to ensure public confidence is restored? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Minister of Education) 
: 
 Generally yes. 
Hon Brian Donnelly 
: How can the public have any confidence in a scholarship examination system in which scholarship results cannot be prepared due to a lack of commonality of standards across subjects; and why has the Government not moved to introduce scaling to those examinations to allow meaningful comparisons to be made? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: I think there are a number of questions in there and a number of important points. I too was surprised when I learned that there was not cross-subject comparability—as there had been for levels 1 2 and 3. I think the member is aware that on a standard-based approach there cannot be scaling. But I think the other particularly interesting point that flows from this is that these standards have been set and accepted by teachers as being at the same level as university stage I papers and what we obviously have is a wide range. 
Dr Ashraf Choudhary 
: What steps are being taken to improve the quality of information about our education system that is available to the public? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: There is an enormous amount including the development of asTTle and its promotion to parents and the much more public availability of Education Review Office reports. Both are for schools and for a number of topics including choosing schools and early childhood centres. There will be a campaign but not until after the election led by the new education ambassador. 
Hon Bill English 
: When will that Minister take responsibility for the reckless decision to proceed with the scholarship examination when he was told time and time again that it would not work; and when will he stop hiding behind his bumbling associate who has been left to clean up the mess? 
Mr SPEAKER 
: That comment about another Minister will be withdrawn. The first part of the question was perfectly in order but a reflection like that on a member would be immediately the subject of a point of order from people on this side of the House. That word will be withdrawn. 
Hon Bill English 
: I withdraw. 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: It is my understanding that the decision to go ahead with that scholarship examination was taken in 1998.
Brownlee Gerry: Points of Order — Urgent Question to Minister of Police—Shane Ardern 
Brownlee Gerry: Points of Order — Urgent Question to Minister of Police—Shane Ardern 
[Volume:614;Page:10437] 
GERRY BROWNLEE (Deputy Leader—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. Given the unusual circumstances surrounding this case the obviously considerable amount of taxpayer money that has gone into it the allegations that— 
Mr SPEAKER 
: What is the point of order? 
GERRY BROWNLEE 
: The point of order is simply whether we can expect a ministerial statement so that the Minister can explain himself. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: That is up to the Minister.
Brownlee Gerry: Points of Order — Foreshore and Seabed Bill—Availability of Supplementary Order Paper 
Brownlee Gerry: Points of Order — Foreshore and Seabed Bill—Availability of Supplementary Order Paper 
[Volume:621;Page:16875] 
GERRY BROWNLEE (Deputy Leader—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. Later in the day the House is expected to begin work on the Foreshore and Seabed Bill. Could I seek leave to ask the Leader of the House when he intends to make the very substantial 120-page Supplementary Order Paper available to the Opposition in order that we may appropriately participate in the debate?
Hughes Darren: Crimes and Misconduct (Overseas Operations) Bill — First Reading 
Hughes Darren: Crimes and Misconduct (Overseas Operations) Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:610;Page:7579] 
DARREN HUGHES (NZ Labour—Otaki) 
: 
 This bill is meant to be about the New Zealand officers deployed in the Solomons. That has not stopped members of the Opposition getting up and using this bill as an opportunity to attack the Government over a deployment in connection with which when it was originally discussed in this House the spokesmen on defence and leaders of parties were falling over themselves to try to look like the biggest statesmen in this Parliament. Instead what we have been subject to this afternoon is that member after member has got up and used the opportunity to attack Government defence policies even though those same parties when in Government did nothing to lift the capability of the New Zealand Defence Force. 
This Government coming into office in 1999 has been forced to do that and reverse the cycle of decline in defence spending that the Opposition parties presided over when in office. They would be bleating and complaining that this Government was not involved in the Solomon Islands. Now that our forces are involved in the Solomons we get speeches like that from Mr Franks accusing us of being on some sort of colonial operation. Mr Mark said we had wasted our time and sat on our hands while all these things were going on—despite the fact that we are working in concert with the Australians. He was not accusing the Australian Government’s approach to the Solomons but he could not wait to bag his own country in terms of the commitment that we have made to the Solomon Islands. 
The approach taken by Opposition speakers has been absolutely opportunistic and not about trying to support the men and women who are working in our country’s name in the Solomons right now. That reflects on those members when one considers the way—when this House is packed and the gallery is full—they cannot wait to act as though they are the greatest statesmen ever to have been in this Parliament. 
Mr Mark also said that the involvement of the New Zealand Police in the Solomons would cause trouble because New Zealand had rampant crime and our police numbers here would be affected. That is despite the fact that there is full funding available to replace police officers who will not be in New Zealand as a consequence of the deployment and establishment numbers and police stations around New Zealand will remain at the same level as they are. This is good legislation. It reaffirms our commitment to the Solomons. I think it is about time we rose above petty politics.
Hide Rodney: Motions — Michael Campbell—2005 US Open 
Hide Rodney: Motions — Michael Campbell—2005 US Open 
[Volume:627;Page:21738] 
RODNEY HIDE (Leader—ACT) 
: 
 The ACT party rises to support this motion. Along with all of New Zealand we support Michael Campbell’s extraordinary achievement yesterday—one of New Zealand’s greatest sporting achievements. We look at Michael Campbell and the long road he had to hoe to succeed yesterday and it reminds us of what can be achieved by Kiwis when they put their minds to it and stick at it. We should not just salute Michael Campbell in his victory but look to all the New Zealanders out there on the world stage trying to do their best. They can achieve; Michael Campbell showed New Zealanders that we can achieve.
Beyer Georgina: Parental Leave and Employment Protection Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
Beyer Georgina: Parental Leave and Employment Protection Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
[Volume:621;Page:16568] 
GEORGINA BEYER (Labour—Wairarapa) 
: 
 I am privileged to speak in the third reading of the Parental Leave and Employment Protection Amendment Bill. But it is so disappointing to follow the previous speaker who has just resumed her seat Dr Muriel Newman because she was talking down. 
In fact this is a great night for many thousands of New Zealanders. This bill is about uplifting the family and it is about providing benefits for many more people yet to come. I am glad to see that the parties opposite that are going to vote against this bill will be supportive of increasing the benefits in the future—which the Government has given a commitment to look into—for the self-employed and others. 
So we look forward to that support as we move forward. This is a great step tonight for New Zealanders—men and women alike—and we should be proud. I support the bill.
Vote: Relationships (Statutory References) Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Relationships (Statutory References) Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:624;Page:19123] 
A personal vote was called for on the question  
That schedule 13 as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 74 
Anderton(P) 
Dyson(P) 
Locke(P) 
Simich(P) 
Barker(P) 
Ewen-Street(P) 
Mackey J (P) 
Sowry(P) 
Barnett(P) 
Fairbrother(P) 
Mackey M (P) 
Sutton   
Benson-Pope(P) 
Fitzsimons(P) 
Maharey(P) 
Swain(P) 
Beyer(P) 
Gallagher   
Mahuta(P) 
Tamihere(P) 
Bradford(P) 
Goff(P) 
Mallard   
Tanczos(P) 
Burton   
Gosche   
Mapp(P) 
Tizard   
Carter C (P) 
Hartley(P) 
McCully(P) 
Turei   
Chadwick(P) 
Hawkins(P) 
O'Connor(P) 
Ward(P) 
Choudhary(P) 
Hereora(P) 
Okeroa(P) 
Williamson(P) 
Clark(P) 
Hide(P) 
Parker(P) 
Wilson(P) 
Coddington(P) 
Hobbs   
Peck(P) 
Wong(P) 
Cosgrove(P) 
Hodgson   
Pillay(P) 
Yates (P) 
Cullen(P) 
Horomia(P) 
Rich(P) 
Cunliffe(P) 
Hughes   
Ririnui  (P) 
Dalziel(P) 
Hunt(P) 
Robertson(P) 
Donald(P) 
Kedgley(P) 
Robson(P) 
Duncan(P) 
Key(P) 
Roy(P) 
Dunne   
King(P) 
Samuels(P) 
Teller: 
Duynhoven(P) 
Laban   
Shirley(P) 
Pettis   
Noes 44 
Adams(P) 
Copeland(P) 
Newman(P) 
Smith N (P) 
Alexander(P) 
Donnelly(P) 
Ogilvy   
Stewart(P) 
Ardern(P) 
Eckhoff(P) 
Paraone(P) 
te Heuheu(P) 
Baldock(P) 
English(P) 
Perry   
Turia(P) 
Brash(P) 
Franks   
Peters J (P) 
Turner(P) 
Brown(P) 
Goudie(P) 
Peters W (P) 
Woolerton(P) 
Brownlee(P) 
Gudgeon(P) 
Power(P) 
Worth(P) 
Carter D (P) 
Heatley(P) 
Prebble(P) 
Carter J (P) 
Hutchison(P) 
Ryall(P) 
Catchpole(P) 
Jones   
Scott(P) 
Collins(P) 
Mark(P) 
Smith L (P) 
Teller: 
Connell(P) 
McNair(P) 
Smith M 
Tisch   
Schedule 13 as amended agreed to.
Vote: Crimes Amendment Bill (No 2) — In Committee Third Reading 
Vote: Crimes Amendment Bill (No 2) — In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:625;Page:20060] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 27 
New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 6; United Future 8. 
Noes 90 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand National 27; Green Party 9; Progressive 2; Maori Party 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Sue Bradford to clause 7 be agreed to: 
to omit subsection (2) of section 128. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Sue Bradford to clause 7 be agreed to: 
to omit from subsection (4) of section 128 the words “sexual violation” and substitute the word “rape”. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Tony Ryall to clause 7 be agreed to: 
to omit from section 131 wherever it occurs the expression “7 years” and substitute the expression “10 years”.
Burton Mark: Ngati Awa Claims Settlement Bill — In Committee 
Burton Mark: Ngati Awa Claims Settlement Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:623;Page:18655] 
Hon MARK BURTON (Associate Minister in Charge of Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations) 
: 
 I may be able to help the member. I think it is a perfectly reasonable question. I have consulted my official about this because I wanted to make sure that the advice I give the member is correct. I understand that there was an omission of recital (12) in the English part of the preamble from the Maori version. The recital which starts with the words: “The Crown and Te Runanga o Ngati Awa” etc. simply translates that into the Maori preamble thus making the one reflect the other. But I take the member’s point. That fact could have been better explained to assist members and I apologise for that.
Vote: Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims Bill — In Committee Procedure Third Reading 
Vote: Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims Bill — In Committee Procedure Third Reading 
[Volume:626;Page:20977] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 55 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 7; United Future 8. 
Noes 62 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Tony Ryall to clause 14(2) be agreed to: 
to omit paragraph (b).
Fitzsimons Jeanette: Land Transport Management Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Fitzsimons Jeanette: Land Transport Management Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:613;Page:9691] 
JEANETTE FITZSIMONS (Co-Leader—Green) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Chairperson. I did not challenge your ruling at the time but I would now like to point out that the Green Party had one call on Part 2 National had four and two other members of the House had two calls each. My colleague came down to the Chamber to seek the call and did not get one. I feel that we have been rather under-represented in the last debate as well which is why I abstained on the closure motion. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: As I indicated the proportionality in terms of the Standing Orders was correct.
Personal Explanations — Question No. 4 to Minister 17 February 
Personal Explanations — Question No. 4 to Minister 17 February 
[Volume:623;Page:18805] 
Personal Explanations 
Question No. 4 to Minister 17 February 
Hon TONY RYALL (National—Bay Of Plenty) 
: 
 In question No 4 on 17 February I inadvertently misquoted the Minister of Police from 8 February and I apologise for that.
Vote: Relationships (Statutory References) Bill; AND BILLS THEREFROM — Third Readings 
Vote: Relationships (Statutory References) Bill; AND BILLS THEREFROM — Third Readings 
[Volume:624;Page:19197] 
A personal vote was called for on the question  
That the Income Tax Amendment Bill be now read a third time. 
Ayes 77 
Anderton(P) 
Duynhoven (P) 
King(P) 
Roy(P) 
Barker(P) 
Dyson(P) 
Laban(P) 
Samuels(P) 
Barnett (P) 
Ewen-Street   
Locke   
Shirley(P) 
Benson-Pope(P) 
Fairbrother(P) 
Mackey J (P) 
Simich(P) 
Beyer   
Fitzsimons  (P) 
Mackey M (P) 
Sowry(P) 
Bradford(P) 
Franks 
Maharey(P) 
Sutton(P) 
Burton(P) 
Gallagher(P) 
Mahuta(P) 
Swain(P) 
Carter C (P) 
Goff(P) 
Mallard(P) 
Tamihere(P) 
Chadwick(P) 
Gosche(P) 
Mapp(P) 
Tanczos(P) 
Choudhary(P) 
Hartley(P) 
Mark(P) 
Tizard (P) 
Clark(P) 
Hawkins(P) 
McCully(P) 
Turei(P) 
Coddington(P) 
Hereora(P) 
O'Connor(P) 
Ward(P) 
Cosgrove(P) 
Hide(P) 
Okeroa(P) 
Williamson(P) 
Cullen(P) 
Hobbs   
Parker(P) 
Wilson(P) 
Cunliffe(P) 
Hodgson(P) 
Peck(P) 
Wong(P) 
Dalziel(P) 
Horomia(P) 
Pillay(P) 
Yates (P) 
Donald(P) 
Hughes(P) 
Rich(P) 
Donnelly   
Hunt(P) 
Ririnui(P) 
Duncan(P) 
Kedgley(P) 
Robertson(P) 
Teller: 
Dunne(P) 
Key(P) 
Robson(P) 
Pettis   
Noes 43 
Adams (P) 
Copeland(P) 
Paraone(P) 
Tisch (P) 
Alexander(P) 
Eckhoff(P) 
Perry(P) 
Turia(P) 
Ardern(P) 
English(P) 
Peters J (P) 
Turner   
Baldock(P) 
Field   
Peters W (P) 
Wang(P) 
Brash(P) 
Goudie(P) 
Power(P) 
Woolerton(P) 
Brown (P) 
Gudgeon(P) 
Prebble(P) 
Worth(P) 
Brownlee(P) 
Heatley(P) 
Ryall(P) 
Carter D (P) 
Hutchison(P) 
Smith L (P) 
Carter J (P) 
Jones (P) 
Smith M (P) 
Catchpole (P) 
McNair(P) 
Smith N (P) 
Collins(P) 
Newman(P) 
Stewart(P) 
Teller: 
Connell(P) 
Ogilvy(P) 
te Heuheu(P) 
Scott   
Bill read a third time.
Vote: Ngati Tuwharetoa (Bay of Plenty) Claims Settlement Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Ngati Tuwharetoa (Bay of Plenty) Claims Settlement Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:625;Page:20256] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That schedule 5 be agreed to. 
Ayes 111 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2; Maori Party 1. 
Noes 9 
ACT New Zealand 9. 
Schedule 5 agreed to.
Hughes Darren: Fisheries Amendment Bill (No 3) — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Hughes Darren: Fisheries Amendment Bill (No 3) — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:619;Page:15141] 
DARREN HUGHES (Labour—Otaki) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich) 
: No I am sorry.
Vote: Fisheries Amendment Bill (No 4) — In Committee 
Vote: Fisheries Amendment Bill (No 4) — In Committee 
[Volume:619;Page:14553] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 74 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand First 13; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 44 
New Zealand National 27; Green Party 9; ACT New Zealand 8. 
Motion agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon David Benson-Pope to clause 1 be agreed to: 
to add the following new subclause: 
(2)In this Act the Fisheries Act 1996 is called “the principal Act”.
Vote: Employment Relations Law Reform Bill — Second Reading 
Vote: Employment Relations Law Reform Bill — Second Reading 
[Volume:620;Page:15843] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Employment Relations Law Reform Bill be now read a second time. 
Ayes 63 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; Progressive 2; Maori Party 1. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Bill read a second time.
Hide Rodney: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Hide Rodney: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:612;Page:8964] 
RODNEY HIDE (ACT NZ) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. There have been many times in the House when members have objected and asked for clarification. I have never seen anyone sat down for that. My clarification is that I am quite happy for the details to be documented as long as the Prime Minister can assure us that no laws of New Zealand will be broken.
Vote: New Zealand Trade and Enterprise Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Vote: New Zealand Trade and Enterprise Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:609;Page:6303] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 9 
Green Party 9. 
Noes 110 
Labour 52; New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Tony Ryall to clause 9 be agreed to: 
to omit subclause (1)(b).
Vote: Foreshore and Seabed Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Vote: Foreshore and Seabed Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:621;Page:17008] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment to the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 17 
Green Party 9; ACT New Zealand 8. 
Noes 101 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Amendment to the amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 302 in the name of the Hon Dr Michael Cullen to Part 1 be agreed to.
Benson-Pope David: Intellectual Disability (Compulsory Care) Bill — Consideration of Report of Health Committee 
Benson-Pope David: Intellectual Disability (Compulsory Care) Bill — Consideration of Report of Health Committee 
[Volume:612;Page:9567] 
DAVID BENSON-POPE (Labour—Dunedin South) 
: 
 I am pleased to rise in support of the Intellectual Disability (Compulsory Care) Bill. I add my congratulations to the members of the current Health Committee and to their predecessors and to Judy Keall in particular. I congratulate those members of the House who discussed this matter in a sensitive and professional way and resisted the political temptation to make cheap gains at the cost of other people’s grief.
Prebble Richard: Te Runanga o Ngati Awa Bill — Procedure In Committee 
Prebble Richard: Te Runanga o Ngati Awa Bill — Procedure In Committee 
[Volume:623;Page:18921] 
Hon RICHARD PREBBLE (ACT) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. In that case we may have one problem with which we might be able to help the Minister. When he first spoke he had his microphone turned away and like my colleague from New Zealand First I might have missed his words but I want him to understand my position which is that I think he is not prepared to give the Committee an assurance now that we know the order of translation that the Maori is—how will I put it?—a valid translation. 
 I say to him that I understand that all translations can be a matter of argument—we need only look at the translations that have been made of the Bible. Given that I do not think it is an unreasonable thing for him as the promoter of the bill to rise and give an undertaking that it is his belief that the Maori text is a valid translation of the English. I think that if he had given that undertaking an hour ago we would have made a lot more progress.
Donald Rod: Public Finance (State Sector Management) Bill — In Committee 
Donald Rod: Public Finance (State Sector Management) Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:622;Page:17919] 
ROD DONALD (Musterer—Green) 
: 
 I give an assurance that I was not trying to persuade United Future; I was just concerned about how inconsistent it would look when its votes were examined. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Rod Donald to clause 199 be agreed to: 
to insert in subclause (1)(a) after the words “registered bank” the words “or registered building society”.
Hunt Jonathan: Urgent Debates Declined — Government Transport Package Foreshore and Seabed Human Rights Review Tribunal Decision Points of Order 
Hunt Jonathan: Urgent Debates Declined — Government Transport Package Foreshore and Seabed Human Rights Review Tribunal Decision Points of Order 
[Volume:614;Page:10723] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I refer the member to Speaker’s ruling 134/5 which goes back to 1988 and also to 1999: “A particular case … must have arisen before the House meets to qualify for a debate.”
Vote: Immigration Amendment Bill — Instructions to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Vote: Immigration Amendment Bill — Instructions to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:611;Page:8269] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put 
. 
Ayes 60 
Labour 52; United Future 8. 
Noes 56 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 7; Green Party 9. 
Motion agreed to. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich) 
: The first amendment in the name of Pansy Wong to clause 1 is not allowed. 
Pansy Wong 
: I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I seek clarification as to why you rejected my amendment. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich) 
: The matter is very clear in Speaker’s ruling 15/2 in the Supplement to  
Speakers’ Rulings 
. The amendment does not objectively describe the contents of the bill in any way. It is wrong on another count too because it criticises the bill itself. I rule the amendment out and that is that.
Vote: Families Commission Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Procedure 
Vote: Families Commission Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:614;Page:10295] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 60 
New Zealand Labour 52; United Future 8. 
Noes 58 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; ACT New Zealand 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Motion agreed to.
Hunt Jonathan: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Hunt Jonathan: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
[Volume:620;Page:15801] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Well the member can try his luck. All I can say is that I will let the Standing Orders stand and I am not going to be unreasonable about this issue. 
RODNEY HIDE 
: Well no I am afraid you have not answered my question. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Well I have not heard what the member is going to ask— 
RODNEY HIDE 
: Well I said earlier today that you denied that you actually direct members. Here you actually have a situation where you answered the question that was put to the member and you said something that was quite different to what the member had said. The problem we have is that we sit in this House and have no option. We accepted your word when you said: “The member said that it was not going to be heard.” The member actually said no such thing. He said it did not meet the criteria. I want to know what the standing is of your comment.
Vote: Building Bill — In Committee Procedure 
Vote: Building Bill — In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:619;Page:14841] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 69 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 8; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 48 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 7; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Motion agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Murray Smith to clause 41 be agreed to: 
to amend subclause (1) by inserting the following new paragraph: 
(ba)in the case of a person who wishes to be registered as a building consent authority but who is not a territorial authority the person is a council controlled organisation as defined by the Local Government Act 2002; and.
Speaker’s Rulings — Independent—Disclosure of Correspondence with Speaker 
Speaker’s Rulings — Independent—Disclosure of Correspondence with Speaker 
[Volume:609;Page:6543] 
Wednesday 25 June 2003 
Mr Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Prayers 
. 
Speaker’s Rulings 
Independent 
—Disclosure of Correspondence with Speaker 
Mr SPEAKER 
: A report has appeared in the  
Independent  
newspaper today concerning a matter of privilege that has been raised with me and that is currently under consideration. Members are at liberty to release copies of their correspondence with the Speaker if they wish. Speakers have deprecated the practice in the past but this is certainly not the first time that it has occurred. However I would remind members and news media that the disclosure of such correspondence is not a proceeding in Parliament and is not protected by parliamentary privilege. This was pointed out as long ago as 1988 see  
Hansard  
Volume 489 page 4436. 
There is one further aspect of the public disclosure of the fact that a matter of privilege has been raised that I want to deal with. Where an allegation is made against a member of Parliament Standing Order 392 requires that the member be given notice of the allegation. The member has an opportunity to respond and is advised of the outcome of any consideration of the matter. Where a non-member is involved there is no requirement that that person be advised of the allegation and up till now the practice has not been to advise him or her of the result of the complaint. Whether there should be an obligation to inform other persons is a matter for the Standing Orders Committee to consider but I have decided that where a member publicly releases details of a complaint of privilege involving another person it is only fair that the Speaker should advise that other person of the outcome of the complaint. I will in future follow this course.
Dyson Ruth: Maritime Security Bill — First Reading 
Dyson Ruth: Maritime Security Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:611;Page:8583] 
Hon RUTH DYSON (Minister for ACC) 
 
 on behalf of the 
 Associate Minister of Transport 
: I move  
That the Maritime Security Bill be referred to the Government Administration Committee 
 referred to the Government Administration Committee 
 that the committee finally report the bill by 11 December 2003 and that the committee have the authority to meet at any time while the House is sitting—except during questions for oral answer—and during any evening on a day on which there has been a sitting of the House and to meet on a Friday in a week in which there has been a sitting of the House despite Standing Orders 193 and 196(1)(b) and (c).
Pettis Jill: Veterinarians Bill — First Reading 
Pettis Jill: Veterinarians Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:623;Page:18763] 
JILL PETTIS (Labour—Whanganui) 
: 
 I wish to take a short call on this important bill. I want to say first of all that the Veterinary Council and the New Zealand Veterinary Association support the bill’s objectives. I object to some of the statements that David Carter the member from the National Party has just made— 
Hon David Cunliffe 
: Who? 
JILL PETTIS 
: Well most people would not know him—about the representation of the agricultural sector by the current Minister of Agriculture the Hon Jim Sutton who has been one of the best Ministers of Agriculture that this country has known. The level of confidence expressed in him has come from precisely the sector that he represents. A number of farmers that I speak to both in my electorate and out of it have spoken very highly of Jim Sutton’s accessibility and of his common-sense down-to-earth approach to agricultural matters. I think that the Opposition member was for some time a spokesperson on agriculture but nobody would ever have known it. 
This bill is important because it does allow overseas veterinarians with 4-year veterinary science degrees from non-recognised institutions to apply for registration subject to them successfully completing any examinations or training courses that are prescribed or approved by the Veterinary Council. That shows that the Veterinary Council itself and the New Zealand Veterinary Association are very closely associated with this legislation. It is good legislation and I look forward to its rapid progress through the House so that the sector it is aimed to benefit can start to benefit from it.