Hutchison Paul: Injury Prevention Rehabilitation and Compensation Amendment Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Hutchison Paul: Injury Prevention Rehabilitation and Compensation Amendment Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Dr PAUL HUTCHISON (NZ National—Port Waikato) 
: 
 Thank you Mr Chairman. I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. In view of the matters that we have just heard I move that the House report progress on this bill given that we have a difficulty with clause 13(2). 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: The member has actually called a point of order. He cannot do that through a point of order. He must do that when he is called; as part of his speech he can ask that progress be reported. 
Lindsay Tisch 
: I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. He did go for the call and you called him. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I did. 
Lindsay Tisch 
: He started and he has moved that the House report progress. He is doing what you suggested he do and he is in line with your instructions. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I am sorry; I misunderstood. I thought he was doing it on a point of order. 
Dr PAUL HUTCHISON 
: Speaking to the point of order I think my colleague Lindsay Tisch is quite right. You suggested that the only thing we could do to draw attention to this matter was to have progress reported. I am moving that that happen. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Can I clarify why the member is seeking this? We need to be clear. Are you seeking to report progress to get the Speaker’s ruling? 
Dr PAUL HUTCHISON 
: Speaking to the point of order it is consequent upon your suggestion that because we could not do this through a point of order and could do it only through a member of the Committee calling for progress to be reported. I am doing it purely on your suggestion. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Is there any objection? 
Simon Power 
: I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. My understanding is that when my colleague Lindsay Tisch sought to have the matter lie on the Table you denied him the opportunity to do that because of Standing Order 182 and that is the reason my colleague Dr Paul Hutchison sought leave to report progress in order that the issue that Lindsay Tisch raised could be considered by the Speaker. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Are the members seeking to report progress to obtain a Speaker’s ruling or just to report progress? 
Lindsay Tisch 
: We want a Speaker’s ruling. If I just go back one step you may recall that I sought leave for the debate to lie on the Table and you said that under Standing Order 182 we could not and I accept that. I have no difficulty with that. You then went on to say that if we wanted to pursue this further someone would need to take a call which my colleague did. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I accept what the member is saying. I am now going to put the question that the Committee report progress to obtain the Speaker’s ruling. 
Lindsay Tisch 
: I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I just want clarification. We still have much to speak about in Part 3 and also on the schedules. I want assurance from you that the debate will not be curtailed because we are reporting progress. There is still much to be debated in Part 3 and the schedules and with the process you are going through now I want to be assured that we still have that opportunity to continue the debate. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: It is my understanding that if we get the Speaker’s ruling we can then move back to the debate. I am now going to put the question. 
Dail Jones 
: I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. We in New Zealand First have not said much. Are we moving under Standing Order 183? If we are all we should be seeking is to move that the Committee report progress full stop not “to get a Speaker’s ruling”. That is a different motion. It is either one or the other not a hybrid and I ask whether the point could be clarified that Dr Hutchison is actually just seeking that the Committee report progress full stop. The additional words “for a Speaker’s ruling” are not required. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: All right. 
Lindsay Tisch 
: We agree with Dail Jones. That is the procedure we would like to see followed.