Davidson MaramaHon MARAMA DAVIDSON (Co-Leader—Green): I get 10 minutes this time? OK I'll just stretch a little bit. So the opposite members of the bench proclaim to be voicing concerns for victims. Well we will hold them to that. I urge those members to go immediately and read the reports of the Chief Victims Adviser. I urge those members immediately to go and read Te Aorerekura the violence prevention strategy. I urge those members to go and read the Human Rights Commission report on the discrimination in the justice system against Māori Pasifika young people and brown people. I urge those members to highlight the evidence very clearly that will show that removing the funding—so here's the thing. Here's the thing. On the one hand the Government members are trying to say We're tough on crime. We're about the victims." but actually the ability to maintain section 27 reports is still there. It's still there. So they're not concerned about "tough on crime". They're concerned about removing the ability to access what only the rich are left to be able to access. So how is that for some hypocritical action? It's still there. It's still there but they're removing the access for people who cannot afford it.Now I spent the last three years as a violence prevention Minister focused finally on the system centring victims—on the system centring victims. I also was the chief panellist on the Owen Glenn inquiry into domestic violence and child abuse. Does that Government want to know what is really in the way of victims receiving justice? Well here is just a snippet. If those members really care about victims of sexual violence and abuse here is what I have heard directly from members and advocates who have been working on victims' access to justice for decades. Get ready for this. How about this: people who have been sexually offended and abused by people who already have standing in the community and have access to powerful lawyers and networks across the system. How about that? How about they stand up to be a voice against the powerful access to justice that women who might have been in a relationship with a school principal or a lawyer or a police officer or a businessman or people who are already leaders in the so-called justice system and therefore have been gaslit because of the influence that their perpetrators and offenders hold and therefore get away with it.If this Government actually cared about justice for victims it would sit down with victims and survivors of rape with victims and survivors of sexual offending—with how about this the many victims that the State institutions have ruined for generations with the violence that they have suffered that they have had to confront. Many of those victims have also unfortunately yes at times ended up in the docks as offenders. Do we not think it is important to take into account the incredible harm injury and injustice that those offenders were subject to and did not receive justice for? Where were those voices then for the victims? If this Government is truly concerned with reducing crime and reoffending removing the funding is actually the opposite.Now second reading is normally where we might ordinarily hear from the actual experts in the community who have been working at the front line of trying to reduce offending. Reducing offending on the front lines: social workers youth workers marae workers many who have the expertise and lived experience. We would hear from them their voices. They have written across social media and across media and they have been very clear: all that removing the funding for cultural reports will do is entrench further discrimination in a justice system that already is trying to resolve its own discrimination. It already admits that the justice system has been tougher on Māori than it has been on say the non-Māori very well-resourced businessman who has been causing pain and sexual abuse and violence to his partner but because of the hook-ups has got away with it. So do not sit in this House and yell at us about who cares for victims because removing the funding for these reports is not caring about victims.Now there are solutions and victims have been very clear about what is needed to overhaul to a system that actually does centre victims. Victims have been very clear. One of the things—again the members can go and read in Chief Victims Adviser reports that this current adversarial justice approach actually ends up harming victims more because by its nature it requires a winner and a loser. And guess who has been losing! Victims. And it has not been because of cultural reports—it has not been because of cultural reports. It has been because of wealth and privilege privilege and wealth and because of a system not understanding the dynamics of violence—because of a system not having the collective expertise of the dynamics of violence and because of the inbuilt patriarchy that goes against women.Hon Members: Oh!Hon MARAMA DAVIDSON: Oh OK. "Oh!" you say. I wish those members would roll their eyes in front of victims. I wish they had victims in front of them to roll their eyes at any mention of this system being patriarchal and that that is what has offended victims and blocked them from justice. I can't wait to take those offensive responses of those members back to the many stakeholder victims groups that I am closely working with and will stay connected to. I cannot wait. I cannot wait for them to expose themselves for outright denying the evidence and the voices of victims—their voices their lived experiences their solutions. Not once in three years of sitting with victims as a Minister have I heard them ask to remove these cultural reports. Not once.So shame on this Government. Shame on them for trying to exploit rape—because using this racist legislation is trying to exploit rape and sexual violence. Do not yell at us who have been working deeply with victims on improving a system that actually delivers justice for victims. Their voice isn't in this. It never has been in this legislation and I will maintain my anger and my connection with them. I will not drop their voice from these arguments. How dare this Government try and exploit victims in favour of some legislation that is just going to keep those privileged with the resources to be privileged. Shame on them."