McClay ToddHon TODD McCLAY (National—Rotorua): There you have it: a Government so focused on the things that are important to New Zealand they've set a standard for how you use a toilet in a campervan. That's the number one thing that these MPs three years ago were elected to come to the House and do and for some of them it will be the last thing they get to do before they exit the building and won't be remembered again. This has been such a mess all the way through this legislation. Do you remember when Stuart Nash became the Minister of Tourism and the very first thing he did was send a signal that he's going to stop people crapping in streams around New Zealand—all those foreigners. What Stuart forgot to tell everybody was the borders were closed. There were no foreigners here driving around so he was going to stop people doing things that they weren't actually doing. Jump forward and it came to the committee and the piece of legislation that was put on the table in the committee had more than 80 amendments to it. It was such bad legislation—so many changes needed to make it actually even close to being workable and at every step of the way when submitters came from around New Zealand to make the case that we needed legislation but that it should focus on where the problem was and not penalise those that actually were responsible freedom campers the Minister and the MPs in the Labour Party on that committee said Actually you don't understand what's going on here. We know best and we are right." Well that wasn't the case. When finally the committee came to adopt its report and the members actually said "No we know what's best." guess what happened? It got sent back to the House without any amendment without any change because they no longer had the majority. Do you know why they no longer had a majority on that committee? It's because for the first time in a long long history in this House a Government lost a seat in a by-election. And when they lost that seat to Tama Potaka in Hamilton—because they weren't listening to the people of Hamilton they weren't listening to the people of New Zealand and they were telling them that they knew it best—they lost the majority in the committee and the bill was returned without change on it even though the chair and others actually thought that they were doing the right thing because a Minister was telling them in the committee what to do. And then of course they tabled that report in the House. We were very clear; we supported it at first reading saying "We think there are problems with this. We think the legislation will penalise New Zealanders who are responsible and deserve to be able to go about their freedom camping their pastime or pleasure activity responsibly." And actually we brought forward amendments to make those changes and the Government again said "We don't care about tens of thousands of New Zealanders who are responsible. We're going to take their responsible behaviour where they use toilets and we're going to penalise them and we're going to criminalise that." And now we jump forward. When the Minister actually starts her speech in third reading what does she say? She says "Well in the committee stage we're going to fix some things here." The Minister on behalf of the Government delivering a speech in this House in the third reading before those MPs over there decide to use their majority and not listen to New Zealanders and adopt this legislation that will criminalise the activities of tens of thousands of New Zealanders who are responsible and care about the environment—she can't even work out this is a third reading. She said to all of them that it's a second reading speech and it shows that every step of the way this Government hasn't understood this progress hasn't paid proper attention and has made a mess of it from beginning to end.Well National's happy to stand up for those responsible New Zealanders and say that there should be no difference at all between having a fixed toilet and a non-fixed toilet because here's the stupid thing about this legislation: if you have a fixed toilet and you go camping and you don't use it you're not breaking the law; but if you have a portable toilet in your campervan and you do use it you are breaking the law. That's ridiculous. And "Angry Andy" over there that actually probably brought the Labour Party close to the worst—DEPUTY SPEAKER: Full names please Mr McClay.Hon TODD McCLAY: "Angry"—what's his last name? Which one was I talking about?Hon Andrew Little: You're just a dumb member—just another dumb member.Hon TODD McCLAY: Is that right? Well let's wait and see. But we sent a very clear signal to those New Zealanders who are responsible freedom campers that actually it should be against the law not to use a toilet when you freedom camp; it shouldn't be against the law to use a toilet. That's what this legislation does. Joseph Mooney brought forward amendments that would fix that that would say if you have a portable toilet and you use it you're allowed to freedom camp; if you have a toilet and effectively don't use it that's not allowed. That will be criminalised. And a National Government will make those changes to recognise the rights of responsible legitimate campers—legitimate responsible New Zealanders—and to those who break the law and who are ruining the environment they will be the ones that are held to account not the ones who are responsible. We won't be supporting this legislation but in Government we will be fixing it on behalf of those tens of thousands of New Zealanders that this Labour Government has turned their back on."