Tolley AnneHon ANNE TOLLEY (Minister for Children): I am delighted to stand and refer the member—[Interruption] No the member is not wrong. All those submissions were made absolutely and I have had conversations with iwi all around the country who were concerned. I said to them that it was never the intention and that I was sorry that the bill was not clear and so we made changes.So I refer the member to section 13(2) inserted by clause 13 in Part 1: (i) if a child or young person is removed from their home decisions about placement should—(i) be consistent with the principles set out in sections 4A(1) and 5:"—which are safety their wishes all those things that the member listed—"(ii) address the needs of the child or young person; and (iii) be guided by the following: (A) preference should be given to placing the child or young person with a member of the child's or young person's wider family whānau hapū iwi or family group who is able to meet their needs including for a safe stable and loving home: (B) it is desirable for a child or young person to live with a family or if that is not possible in a family-like setting: (C) the importance of mana tamaiti (tamariki) whakapapa and whanaungatanga should be recognised and promoted: (D) where practicable a child or young person should be placed with the child's or young person's siblings: (E) a child or young person should be placed where the child or young person can develop a sense of belonging and attachment:".I have to say that those words were carefully worked through with the iwi leaders group which is satisfied that we have represented well in the legislation that "whānau first" preference.Carmel Sepuloni: The Minister consulted after the fact.Hon ANNE TOLLEY: But we have changed the legislation which is why you have a submissions process in order to make the changes to make this piece of legislation work. So on the one hand I hear the members say "If you put it in and we're wrong—"The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Trevor Mallard): Order! The time has come for me to leave the Chair for the dinner break. I will resume the Chair at 7.30 p.m.Sitting suspended from 6 p.m. to 7.30 p.m.Hon ANNE TOLLEY: I thought I would just take this opportunity to answer a few questions that Jan Logie posed earlier about the Supplementary Order Papers. Regarding the changes in Supplementary Order Paper 329 to section 4 in clause 6—"the risk of suffering"—this phrase was causing a drafting challenge in terms of the provision making sense. It was felt that the phrase "… assisting families whānau hapū iwi and family groups to—(i) prevent their children and young persons from suffering harm …" sufficiently encompassed that concept of the risk of suffering. So it is no major change—just trying to put it in legalese.Clause 21 which amends the provisions relating to subsequent provisions—there is a bit of a problem with the transitional nature of this bill so that change is just to make sure that we can take account of any declarations made before the bill comes into effect.Finally the transfer of young people from the adult court to the Youth Court talking about the interests of justice in the legislation—the provision now sets out that young people in an adult court shall be transferred to the Youth Court if their charges are reduced to Youth Court charges unless the transfer is against the interests of justice. So it promotes rather than diminishes the likelihood that young people will be dealt with in the Youth Court when it is appropriate. So it is just a terminology change.I think the last question that I had—I just cannot lay my hands on it—was there was concern that we had changed something from the select committee's recommendation. That is not the case. Again it is just a wording issue."