Yule LawrenceLAWRENCE YULE (National—Tukituki): It's a pleasure to take a call on this bill. First of all can I congratulate David Seymour for getting this bill to this part of the process and can I acknowledge your courage in doing so. This is a very difficult issue and the last speaker Poto Williams has reiterated a lot of what I wish to say. But I did want to take a call tonight early on in this debate because how we handle this part of the committee of the whole House will define our relationships in this House and how we get to a point of commonality whether the bill passes or doesn't and along the way over many hours we'll debate the various points.I want to acknowledge Louisa Wall and the work she did. We worked together on a Supplementary Order Paper (SOP). You might say Well how did that happen?" It happened because we happened to be at a function one day and we were talking about where this bill was and we had very similar views about the concerns we had. So we worked together to draft up an SOP. We are now in the committee of the whole House. I voted to support the bill at second reading because this is my opportunity to flesh out the things that I have concerns about. I also acknowledge David Seymour the SOPs you've put up to try and acknowledge some of the concerns across the Parliament. This for me is not about choice actually. For some it is and I accept that but for me it's not about choice; it is about helping some people who have really difficult deaths and it is about managing that process and helping them. Even today as I flew back from Hamilton I was in the airport with a lady and she said that she watched her mother die from pancreatic cancer and it was horrendous and with the best of palliative care there was still pain and suffering. That's actually what I'm here to try and fix in this part of the process. Louisa Wall and I did propose and have got an SOP which talks about 12 months. It talks about using the Family Court and it talks about using families because in our view this is around a process of dying a process of leaving. The previous speaker Poto Williams brilliantly articulated in a very sad way what happens. We don't like or enjoy—and in fact it is very upsetting—watching loved ones suffer but we also don't want them to go over that other side. Many people have looked at our SOP and some have said it's too lawyer based it will take too long and the Family Court's wrong. But I just want to say to this committee that our process of doing that is about trying to find a solution because while I've heard people say already that people could be coerced or some people could die on the other side of this debate there are some people that are having very difficult deaths. This Parliament simply needs to decide what that balance is. I will participate and listen in these debates because what happens here will determine what I finally do at the next reading. So in this Parliament and in this committee as part of this I am looking for solutions. I am not looking for this bill to be delayed for five months as some I've read today said. I'm actually here to try and find some solutions to the concerns that I have to see if there's a way through this. I also think based on my own electorate and what public opinion is that the public of New Zealand do want us to try and find a solution.I don't know whether it's going to go to a referendum or not. I don't know where that's going to end up. But if it does I probably believe it will pass. And if it does my job as a member of Parliament and the job of other members of Parliament is to make sure that the legislation is as good as it can be and as safe as it can be. The time I wish to spend in this Chamber at the committee of the whole House and on the nights and weeks ahead will be to try and find solutions that I believe get that balance right. Now we won't all agree and the vote will be tight but I would hope that there is wisdom decency and maturity in this House so that we can get the best possible legislation."