Volume 628 Week 3 - Tuesday 22 November 2005 
Volume 628 Week 3 - Tuesday 22 November 2005 
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Tuesday 22 November 2005 
Madam Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Prayers 
. 
Motions 
Rugby World Cup 2011 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Minister for Sport and Recreation) 
: 
 I move  
That the House congratulate Jock Hobbs and his team on winning the rights to host the 2011 Rugby World Cup 
. Dozens of people were involved in this bid and the vast majority of them worked well below the horizon and well below the radar screen of many people in New Zealand and around the world. There were people from the New Zealand Rugby Union and from Sport and Recreation New Zealand there was an advisory group that David Gascoigne chaired and Brian Roche and his bid office team who all made important contributions over the best part of a year. I want to acknowledge the fact that Murray McCully met with the technical advisory group for the cup and made it clear there was a bipartisan approach or at least major party support for this bid. In fact the bid was jointly funded by the Government and the Rugby Union and there was a shared underwrite arrangement. 
The events of Dublin have been well reported and I think that although it is important to acknowledge people we do not need to go into too much depth. The work Colin Meads did especially in the 24 hours beforehand—drinking with a lot of people whom he played rugby with over many years—got them into the right position. I see reports that he was uncomfortable speaking to the International Rugby Board because he was not used to speaking without a glass in his hand but his contribution was valuable. Tana Umaga spoke without notes. I think all of us in Wainuiomata and the rest of New Zealand are very proud of his contribution and of the way he laid it on the line. Chris Moller made it clear that it was a real commercial bid and outlined that to the International Rugby Board. 
People will be aware that the Prime Minister made a real difference. She made a difference months beforehand when she hosted the majority of the International Rugby Board executive to dinner at Premier House. She had a group of All Black captains there as well and she made the personal connections with the International Rugby Board executive that proved invaluable months on. I think that her contribution is probably best summarised by Jock Hobbs who said: “The Prime Minister did a wonderful job in terms of stressing the unique partnership that exists between the Government and the NZRU and their total support for this bid I believe gave us a competitive advantage.” The reports that I have had go that far and Chris Moller said: “If she had not been there I suspect we would not have won.” I do want to acknowledge and thank the Prime Minister for her contribution. 
I think it is very important that we also underline the work that Jock Hobbs did. He was the person who did both the strategy and the tactics. It was he who asked the Prime Minister to go. It was he whom we checked with when the plane broke down and asked: “Is this absolutely vital?” and he made some calls there. For the second time—he did it a decade ago—he has made an enormous contribution to sport in New Zealand. His talent for working with people and for putting a group of people together has made all the difference. 
There is a big job going forward. I remind the House that there are just over 300 weeks until kick-off. I am one person who is looking forward to getting on with the job. 
Hon MURRAY McCULLY (National—East Coast Bays) 
: 
 On behalf of the National Party I join the Minister and the Government in congratulating those responsible for the successful bid for the 2011 Rugby World Cup. This is a huge win not just for New Zealand rugby but for the New Zealand economy and for our ability to profile ourselves on the world stage. I think the recent Lions tour gave us just a small taste of what lies ahead. It is especially pleasing to participate in this motion today because many of us believe that had we not been successful in procuring the 2011 event then we would never again have the capacity to get back in the race. That is my personal view. 
I pay a special tribute to Jock Hobbs who as the Minister has mentioned has a very high personal standing in the world of rugby. I am absolutely convinced that his personal mana played a very considerable part in the success of the bid. I also want to congratulate all of the others involved in the New Zealand Rugby Union on the bid committee and in other agencies involved. 
As the Minister has told the House this was a bid in which the Government was a partner with the Rugby Union. I want to commend the Minister and the Government for making the substantial commitment that was required to that partnership. As the Minister knows the Government did so with the unambiguous support of the National Party and I want to tell the House that as the Minister has informed the House already when the International Rugby Board officials were in New Zealand prior to the election wanting to meet separately with the Minister and myself at his suggestion we conducted that interview together so that we were able to emphasise that in this country rugby is bigger than party politics. 
I want to recognise the role played by the Prime Minister especially the trouble she went to in order to be part of the formal presentation in Dublin. Given the significance of this event to our country I think it was fitting that our Prime Minister should be there and I want to thank her for making the substantial personal effort that was required to do so. 
Finally the International Rugby Board made it clear when it was here that the appointment of a Minister to take responsibility for the Rugby World Cup would be an important consideration on its part. In view of what I have read in this morning’s newspapers I guess I should congratulate Mr Mallard—who if he is not already appointed is to be appointed to that role. May I reassure the House that given the fact there will be at least one election between now and 2011 there is no shortage of suitable candidates on this side of the House should any of us be called upon to serve. 
RON MARK (NZ First) 
: 
 As the new spokesperson on sport and recreation for New Zealand First may I take the opportunity on behalf of New Zealand First to congratulate firstly the New Zealand Rugby Union and its team on successfully winning the rights to host the 2011 Rugby World Cup. I also take the opportunity to congratulate the Prime Minister on the part she played in that bid on behalf of New Zealand as a whole. 
It is at times like these that New Zealand First truly laments the loss of the titles “Dame” and “Sir”. I can think of no people more deserving to receive the title of “Sir” than Chris Moller and Jock Hobbs once what will be an absolutely splendid event has taken place and the country has had the opportunity to enjoy having the Rugby World Cup here in our hands and having had the opportunity to show off the beauty of New Zealand to the 60000-odd visitors whom we anticipate will grace our shores. The economic windfall for this nation will be huge. The tourism exposure again will be massive. More important the boost in terms of morale to our nation as a whole as we all take the opportunity to show off this country of ours to show off our proud rugby heritage will be immeasurable. 
 I also if I can be forgiven just add a note of caution and say that from now until 2011 we also need to focus seriously on our security commitments. It has not escaped me that although we are a much-favoured little country in the world there are people whom no doubt the Prime Minister’s office and security people will need to be mindful of as we plan and work our way towards this wonderful event. 
In closing I say again that we just wish that in time we could refer to Jock Hobbs and Chris Moller by the titles that they deserve—“Sir Jock” and “Sir Chris”. Our congratulations once again to the entire team. 
KEITH LOCKE (Green) 
: 
 The Green Party joins the previous speakers in congratulating both the New Zealand Rugby Union and the Government—in particular Helen Clark and Trevor Mallard—on beating the odds and bringing the Rugby World Cup to New Zealand. We all have to do our bit between now and 2011. It is a great opportunity to showcase what is best in New Zealand. 
As an Auckland MP I will have to work with the other MPs from Auckland to make sure that not only is Eden Park up to scratch but our public transport system is humming like an All Black backline so that we get people to the game on time and provide an example to the world. We have to show collectively the same passion focus and teamwork that the New Zealand Rugby Union has shown in getting the Rugby World Cup to New Zealand help it to make this Rugby World Cup a great success and get our infrastructure in place. 
Dr PITA SHARPLES (Co-Leader—Maori Party) 
: 
 On behalf of the Maori Party I reiterate what we have already published. We give our congratulations to Jock Hobbs and his team on securing the Rugby World Cup to be played in our country. I particularly commend the Prime Minister for her effort because to get out there as the country’s leader and bid for a particular sport shows that on this occasion she is the salt of the earth. I think she has done a magnificent job. 
Hosting the Rugby World Cup here will create the opportunity for us to turn the discussion about political correctness into cultural correctness. Hosting the Rugby World Cup will provide us with an opportunity to authentically welcome all the overseas teams to New Zealand with at least a powhiri in the areas where they will be staying or billeted. That is the least of what we would expect. It would show that New Zealand is prepared to be and enjoys being as one with the tangata whenua in accepting aspects of Maori culture in the same way that we embrace the haka when the team goes on to the field before playing. So for a number of reasons not the least of which being that I am a rugby fanatic I look forward to the Rugby World Cup being played here and thank all those involved. 
Hon PETER DUNNE (Leader—United Future) 
: 
 United Future joins with the other members who have spoken to congratulate Jock Hobbs Chris Moller the New Zealand Rugby Union team and the Prime Minister on their efforts in ensuring that the pleasant news we woke up to on Friday morning was that the Rugby World Cup was coming here. If one had listened to all of the news reports in the preceding days and particularly to the analysis on the preceding evening one would not be mistaken in believing that we had absolutely no chance of achieving this particular victory. It was therefore very pleasant news to wake up to on Friday morning. Our heartiest congratulations go to every member of the team who was involved in securing this coup. 
Three broad challenges lie ahead of the country now though between this point and 2011. The first is the obvious one—to make sure that we are capable of delivering on the commitments that have been made and that we can achieve a popular effective efficient and widely patronised Rugby World Cup. The second challenge has already begun and that is the great sense of inter-provincial rivalry that at the moment is reflected in the debate over where the grand final should be held. I put in a great plug for Westpac Stadium. It is a superb ground and it will have an elite crowd there. The third challenge after all will be to make sure that having secured the hosting of the cup for New Zealand we win it in 2011. 
RODNEY HIDE (Leader—ACT) 
: 
 On behalf of the ACT party I rise to congratulate Jock Hobbs and his team and to make special note of the Prime Minister Helen Clark for her efforts on behalf of every New Zealander in winning the rights to host the Rugby World Cup. It is another example of a team continuing against negative comment and succeeding against the odds—and it is fantastic. It will be huge for New Zealand. There will be something like 48 games involving 20 countries across a dozen cities in New Zealand all played in the space of 6 to 7 weeks. I think we should also—and not without some irony—pay tribute to John Minto and Trevor Richards for their efforts as protesters because once South Africa was knocked out the South African Minister of Sport and Recreation Mr Stofile said that South Africa voted for New Zealand because of the efforts of the New Zealanders who protested in support of their efforts in South Africa and I do not think that irony should be lost in New Zealand either. 
It is going to be a huge effort and I am sorry to disappoint Mr Dunne but of course the final will be held in Auckland the sports cultural and commerce capital of New Zealand. It will require a huge effort on behalf of everyone—particularly the Government and particularly this Parliament—to make sure that New Zealand’s infrastructure and Auckland’s infrastructure are up to scratch so that we can indeed have a world cup that we can all be proud of. 
Motion agreed to. 
Points of Order 
Question for Written Answer—Immigration 
Dr the Hon LOCKWOOD SMITH (National—Rodney) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. I seek your ruling as to whether it is acceptable under the Standing Orders for the Minister of Immigration the Hon David Cunliffe to refuse to answer a series of written questions relating to the representations by the Hon Taito Phillip Field and other Labour members on immigration matters an issue in which there is a considerable level of public interest with the excuse given that: “I do not consider this a good use of my department’s time and resources.” 
 The Minister acknowledged that the information was held by his department but he did not consider it was worth providing it to this Parliament. I submit that that is tantamount to treating this Parliament with contempt and seek your clarification of Parliament’s requirements in respect of ministerial accountability. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: I thank the member. I will look at it and get back to him once I have had an opportunity to do so. 
Questions to Ministers 
Foreign Affairs Minister—Confidence 
1. Dr DON BRASH (Leader of the Opposition) 
 to the  
Prime Minister 
: Does she have confidence in the Minister of Foreign Affairs; if so why? 
Rt Hon HELEN CLARK (Prime Minister) 
: 
 Yes; because he is a hard-working and conscientious Minister. 
Dr Don Brash 
: Does she agree with the decision of the Minister of Foreign Affairs to announce that he would raise our $2 billion trade deficit with China with the Chinese Foreign Minister or does she agree with the Minister of Trade’s criticism of Mr Peters that “You don’t actually even up the surplus or deficit by browbeating the partner.”? 
Rt Hon HELEN CLARK 
: I think the way we would like to tackle that particular deficit is by getting a good free-trade agreement with China. 
Keith Locke 
: Has the Prime Minister discussed with the Minister of Foreign Affairs making the SAS contingent that returned to New Zealand this morning the last special forces unit to fight in Afghanistan with the US-led coalition force in the light of the international criticism of the mistreatment of prisoners by that force and the way that it conducts its operations with little regard for civilians? 
Rt Hon HELEN CLARK 
: The answer to the first part of the question is “No”. In respect of the second part of the question I want to say that the SAS has done a very very good job in Afghanistan. The Minister of Defence welcomed the third contingent back this morning. We believe that the contingent acquitted itself well and I certainly do not rule out future deployments for it. 
Dr Don Brash 
: Does she agree with the comment of the Minister of Foreign Affairs at APEC that more could have been done by the Government to monitor the private language schools that have gone bankrupt or does she agree with the Minister of Trade that Mr Peters’ view was incorrect and that “We have actually made provision for the students at that school in a way that most other countries of the world would not have bothered.”? 
Rt Hon HELEN CLARK 
: A good part of earlier periods of this Government were spent precisely dealing with bad practice in international education which had given our country a bad name. We dealt with it. 
Dr Don Brash 
: Does she agree with the Minister of Foreign Affairs that the reporting of his trip to APEC by the  
New Zealand Herald  
was “treasonous”; if not does she believe that it is appropriate for senior members of the Government such as the Minister of Foreign Affairs to be making such wildly provocative—indeed intimidating—comments about the New Zealand media? 
Rt Hon HELEN CLARK 
: I would not have used that term myself. In my experience in over 24 years in this place protracted rows with the news media are not particularly productive and my advice to both the  
New Zealand Herald  
and the Minister is to get over it. 
Dr Don Brash 
: Does she agree with the statement made by Mr Goff that having Mr Peters in the Cabinet would be like having one’s mother-in-law living in one’s house in that “It’s much easier sometimes when she’s next door and you’ve each got your own space.”; and whether or not she agrees with it what does she think Mr Goff’s statement says about the relationship between him and Mr Peters? 
Rt Hon HELEN CLARK 
: What is says is that Labour is absolutely determined to give smaller parties that work with it room to breathe—unlike the National - New Zealand First coalition which collapsed because no room was left for that party to keep its identity. 
Rugby World Cup 2011—Benefits to New Zealand 
2.  
DARREN HUGHES (Labour—Otaki) 
 to the  
Minister for Sport and Recreation 
: What will be the benefits to New Zealand of hosting the Rugby World Cup 2011? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Minister for Sport and Recreation) 
: 
 Hosting the Rugby World Cup will be positive not only for New Zealand rugby but also because the tournament will deliver significant economic benefits and tourism spin-offs. It is estimated that it will attract around 60000 extra visitors to New Zealand will generate an extra $400 million for the economy and result in an extra tax take exceeding $90 million. 
Darren Hughes 
: What additional exposure does he expect New Zealand to gain from hosting the Rugby World Cup? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: In addition to the extra visitors we expect to visit New Zealand television-viewing numbers for the last world cup were 3.4 billion. That will be a fantastic opportunity to showcase New Zealand. However I regret to inform the member that it will almost certainly not focus on the Courtesy Ford Levin Domain notwithstanding that member’s representations. 
New Zealand Qualifications Authority—Vulnerability 
3.  
Hon BILL ENGLISH (National—Clutha-Southland) 
 to the  
Minister of Education 
: Does he agree with the statement regarding the New Zealand Qualifications Authority that “… the organisation is dealing with low morale high attrition rates and an over-reliance on contract staff. All these factors place the organisation in a vulnerable position;”; if so why? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY (Minister of Education) 
: 
 Matters relating to morale attrition and reliance on contract staff are raised in the briefing to the incoming Minister and they refer to very well-canvassed issues. The New Zealand Qualifications Authority is of course dealing with those issues and as Graham Young President of the Secondary Principals Association notes: “It is not news; it’s old. We already knew about it.” 
Hon Bill English 
: Has the Minister also seen the statement by the New Zealand Qualifications Authority that public confidence in the National Certificate of Educational Achievement (NCEA) is low and why is it that the New Zealand Qualifications Authority is aware of that when he is not? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY 
: I was not the Minister of Education during this year. However unlike the member who was the spokesperson on education I was fully aware of that as was the whole country and as was the State Services Commission which did a review of the issue published it and had it discussed ad nauseam in the media. He seems to be the only one who is not aware. 
Moana Mackey 
: What specific actions has the New Zealand Qualifications Authority taken to address organisational issues? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY 
: The New Zealand Qualifications Authority is working to put in place recommendations from a State Services Commission report published earlier this year which include the recruitment of 30 new permanent staff new induction procedures training for managers staff and teams the creation of new positions that provide career paths and better use of exit interview feedback to assist mangers in improving performance. 
Hon Brian Donnelly 
: Can the Minister explain to the House which party when in Government appointed a previous chief executive officer by the name of Douglas Blackmur who departed the New Zealand Qualifications Authority under the cloud of a considerable number of expensive and inexplicable overseas junkets and left the organisation so directionless it still has not recovered? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY 
: If my memory serves me well that party goes by the name of National. 
Allan Peachey 
: In the light of the Minister’s failure to give his personal assurance as Minister of Education to the students parents and teachers of New Zealand that he is confident that this year’s NCEA will be trouble-free will he give an undertaking that he unlike his predecessor will accept ministerial responsibility and resign if the NCEA assessments are in fact not trouble-free; if not why not? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY 
: As I have said repeatedly I am confident that all that could be done has been done and that so far we are enjoying a good exam season. Of course as Minister I take responsibility from my portfolio. 
Hon Bill English 
: Can the Minister confirm that he made this statement on Radio New Zealand on Friday 18 November: “Yes and in fact I asked your journalists not to put this news item on the air at the present time.” and can he explain why he made that statement? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY 
: It was conveyed to the journalist that issues noted in the briefing to the incoming Minister were well known and well canvassed on a range of media outlets and in fact come from the State Services Commission report published in the middle of the year. The New Zealand Qualifications Authority must front up on issues of public interest but it must not be used as a political football particularly when 156000 young people are trying to sit their exams. 
Moana Mackey 
: What reports has he heard on levels of confidence in the NCEA and scholarship examinations being administered by the New Zealand Qualifications Authority? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY 
: I have heard many such reports—for example Denis Pyatt from Papanui High School states: “There aren’t too many students nor teachers who will deny NCEA is considerably better than the system it replaced.” The Post Primary Teachers Association states in its latest report to the Government: “The changes in personnel and ways of working with the sector are a big improvement.” Graham Young President of the Secondary Principals Association commenting on the changes that have been put in place stated: “I’ve certainly got some pretty good confidence about the season.” 
Hon Bill English 
: When the Minister asked journalists—as he has said himself—not to put this news item on the air at the present time how could the journalists have known whether that was not a direction he was issuing as the Minister of Broadcasting in charge of Radio New Zealand? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY 
: They ran the item; I think they would know what they were doing. 
Hon Bill English 
: Does the Minister understand that the Broadcasting Act prevents him specifically from issuing any direction to any journalist in Radio New Zealand about what news item it might run regardless of whether it might run it? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY 
: Yes. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: I just remind the member that the questions are to be addressed to the Minister of Education not to the Minister of Broadcasting. 
Gerry Brownlee 
: I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. That raises a very interesting point about the arrangements the Government has for various accountabilities. Are you now telling us that a Minister can be accountable only for his or her portfolio at the time he or she is under question? It is quite clear that the Minister carries responsibility for all the Government—or is this Minister like Winston Peters as well? 
Madam SPEAKER 
: No. When the question is set down to the Minister of Education then the Minister is responsible for matters relating to education. If there is a concern about a matter relating to broadcasting then the matter is set down as a question to the Minister of Broadcasting. 
Hon Bill English 
: I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. The point of my questions is to establish whether the Minister thought about this from the journalist’s point of view because when he was instructing the journalist not to put the news item on Radio New Zealand the journalist would not have known whether the Minister was acting in his capacity as Minister of Broadcasting or as Minister of Education. Of course if the Minister was acting in his capacity as Minister of Broadcasting he broke the law because the law quite specifically prevents him doing what he did. If he was acting in his capacity as Minister of Education then of course it was very unwise because he happens to be the Minister of Broadcasting as well and he may well have been hoping that a journalist would see it that way. That is the point of the question which is why the question has to be in order. 
Hon Dr Michael Cullen 
: I think the point that is being made here is an important one. Clearly the question can be asked of the Minister only as Minister of Education because that is what the principal question is about. But if I could help the member somewhat it is perfectly possible to phrase the question along the following lines: “Was he aware when he made that suggestion to the journalist that the Minister of Broadcasting is prevented from doing certain things; if so did he see any conflict of interest in his roles at that stage?”. Perhaps the Minister could now answer the question. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: I thank the members for their comments. The member’s first question was perfectly in order because it was addressed to the Minister of Education. The second question was not because it addressed him as the Minister of Broadcasting. But I suggest that the member asks the question in the terms that have been suggested by himself actually when he was giving his explanation. 
Hon Bill English 
: When the Minister issued his direction to a Radio New Zealand journalist not to put the news item on the air at the present time—as he has stated himself—did it occur to him that the journalist may have believed the Minister was acting in his capacity as Minister of Broadcasting and therefore acting illegally? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY 
: To go back to the original question I did not direct or instruct. But I will on all occasions advocate for my portfolio as all Ministers do. As I said on this occasion the New Zealand Qualifications Authority will always front up to all public issues as it should do. But I will not sit by and not say something about an area that I think is being used as a political football—for example by the member—when 156000 young people are trying to sit their exams. 
Aged Care—Funding 
4.  
BARBARA STEWART (NZ First) 
 to the  
Minister of Health 
: Has all of the additional $71 million of funding made available in Budget 2005 to district health boards to pay for contracted providers of residential aged-care services been ring-fenced to be used for this purpose only; if not why not? 
Hon PETE HODGSON (Minister of Health) 
: 
 No it has not because the $71 million was allocated to do more than meet the price increases of the providers that the member refers to. 
Barbara Stewart 
: Could the Minister have ring-fenced or specified in the Crown funding agreements where the extra money from Budget 2005 that was intended for aged care could or could not be spent; if so why did he not do that in order to ensure that the money intended for residential aged-care was actually used by the district health boards for that purpose? 
Hon PETE HODGSON 
: At Budget time it was made clear that the money was to be broken into two lots. From memory $38.5 million was to go to that purpose. But funding for the health of older people in the residential sector is broader than the prices for private providers; it includes for example volume increases as well as price increases and it includes for example assessment treatment and rehabilitation. On top of the $71 million but not mentioned by the member was further funding from this Government for the Holidays Act catch-up. 
Dr Jonathan Coleman 
: Is it not true though that the Minister did promise $71 million of new money for rest homes before the election but now after the election the rest home sector is actually receiving a considerably reduced amount; if that is true how honest is that? 
Hon PETE HODGSON 
: It is far from true because the $71 million did not come out immediately before the election; it came out in the May Budget. That is not all. This Government decided to put some Holidays Act money into that sector as well. That is not all. My immediate predecessor the Associate Minister of Health Ruth Dyson put a further $16 million into that sector. That is not all. Money went into home-based support services as well. In fact if members want to add all of it up they will find that the total comes to more than $100 million over the last 12 months. A party that has tax cuts on its mind cannot spend that sort of money on the health of older New Zealanders. 
Sue Moroney 
: What undertakings has the Government made to address the pressures in residential aged-care? 
Hon PETE HODGSON 
: Quite apart from the more than $100 million that has been announced in the last 12 months from this Government this Government has an agreement with the party whence came the principal question New Zealand First. That agreement says we will address the issue of elder care further as a matter of priority in the 2006 Budget. That means that because this Government does not have tax cuts on its mind it can deal to the pressures that exist in the health system including in this case the health of our older New Zealanders. 
Judy Turner 
: Has the Minister had any indication from contracted providers as to whether they intend to use any part of the additional money to address the issue of caregiver wages; if not does he have any plans to rectify the current wages and conditions of both residential and home-based caregivers? 
Hon PETE HODGSON 
: That is an excellent question. I think that in the residential aged-care sector we will see the additional money flow through to workers all right for the simple reason that if these wages are not increased there will not be enough people working in the industry. In the home-based support sector we have another problem which is that we do not have in my view a fair travel policy for those folk who move from one home to another. I have made it a condition of any district health board signing any contract with any home-based support service industry that it has a fair travel policy. The details as to what is meant by “fair travel policy” are only weeks from being resolved. 
Dr Jonathan Coleman 
: When the Minister made his pre-election promise of $71 million of new money for rest home care why did he keep secret that $32 million of that money was actually long-overdue back pay that the sector was owed as of right? 
Hon PETE HODGSON 
: Quite apart from the fact that the member obviously did not listen to my answer to his first question— 
Madam SPEAKER 
: One of the reasons why the answer may not have been heard before is the level of noise in the Chamber. I would ask members—who of course may interject on answers—to please keep the noise at a more orderly level. Thank you. Would the Minister now please respond. 
Hon PETE HODGSON 
: I refer the member to my press statement on Budget night 2005 and I will quote him a sentence: “It’’—the $71 million—“comprises $38.4 million to cover the cost of growing demand and inflation as well as an additional $32.5 million.” We made no mistake that the $32.5 million would be used in part or in whole to catch up the district health board sector. 
Barbara Stewart 
: Does the Minister agree that the money intended to boost residential aged-care funding needs to be ring-fenced by some mechanism to ensure that the promises made in this year’s Budget in respect of aged care are kept; if not will he be making further funding available to make sure the aged-care sector receives the money it was promised in May? 
Hon PETE HODGSON 
: I say again to the member that I did not promise $71 million of price increases for the residential aged-care sector; the $71 million is to fund that and more besides. So the answer to the members two questions are no and quite probably. 
Prisons—Overcrowding 
5.  
SIMON POWER (National—Rangitikei) 
 to the  
Minister of Corrections 
: Is he satisfied that the Government is doing all it can to alleviate the reported current prison overcrowding crisis; if so why? 
Hon DAMIEN O'CONNOR (Minister of Corrections) 
: 
 Yes the Government has been closely monitoring the situation. Officials are working on a range of measures to manage prisoner numbers in the short and the longer term. 
Simon Power 
: Does the Minister agree with his officials in the briefing to the incoming Minister that “there are no credible options that would definitely decrease the forecasts for the prison population post-2008”; if so how does he expect to house the increasing number of prisoners in light of his own view that no more new prisons are being considered? 
Hon DAMIEN O'CONNOR 
: The Government currently has a building programme. It has committed over $800 million to the provision of 2000 new prison beds. We accept there is pressure on the prison system but we are doing everything we can to manage the situation correctly. 
Simon Power 
: With prisoners being housed in vans showered at rugby clubs and kept in police and court cells how can the Minister convince the members of the New Zealand public that they are safer since he became the Minister of Corrections? 
Hon DAMIEN O'CONNOR 
: They are just as safe now as they were under my predecessor. With regard to the use of vans the chief executive has said that that was a temporary measure at one prison and he has instructed that it will not occur again. 
Dr Pita Sharples 
: He aha te mahere rautaki kua whiriwhiria kua whakaaetia e nga tari katoa o te Kawanatanga nei kia whakawhaiti haere te nama tino teitei rawa o nga tangata kei ro whare herehere i te mea i te marama o Paenga-whawha i te tau 1997 e 4988 nga mauhere engari ka tae ki tera Rahina 14 o tenei marama tonu kua piki ake te nama mauhere ki te 7545 he pikitanga tenei o te 51 pai heneti ahakoa kare noa kia pau te iwa tau? 
[An interpretation in English was given to the House.] 
[ 
What is the all-of-Government strategy to reduce the incarceration rate within our prisons given that in the month of April 1997 there were 4988 people in jail but by Monday 14 November last week this number had climbed to 7545 an increase of 51 percent in less than 9 years? 
] 
Hon DAMIEN O'CONNOR 
: This Government accepts the fact that numbers have increased. The Government has cracked down on serious crime and it is locking offenders up for longer. We accept however that a whole-of-Government approach is needed to try to reduce the number of people going into prisons and to assist those who come out of prisons to stay out. This Government is engaged in just such that approach. 
Simon Power 
: Does the Minister believe that responsible Government involves a Minister keeping his fingers crossed in the hope that despite officials’ advice prisoner numbers might reduce by 2008; if not why is he doing that? 
Hon DAMIEN O'CONNOR 
: I think we accept that prisoner numbers will increase. That is why we have embarked upon an extensive capital development programme to put more than 2000 prison beds in place. 
Nandor Tanczos 
: Does the Minister agree with the suggestion in the briefing from the Department of Corrections for the incoming Minister that pressure on resources has made rehabilitation ineffective that assessment and management of prisoners with mental illness are inadequate and that such are the inevitable results of a Government policy focused on its locking people up rather than on justice or the reduction of crime? 
Hon DAMIEN O'CONNOR 
: The Government has an obligation to protect the public from serious offenders. They will remain locked up. We however accept the view that we must try harder in rehabilitation to prevent those going from prison from reoffending and going back in. We are focused on that area and we will continue to work hard. 
Dr Pita Sharples 
: 
I rongo au ki to whakautu mai ki ahau na reira ka tipu te patai ahea timata ai te mahitahi o nga tari katoa o te kawanatanga ki te whakaiti haere i te nama o nga tangata kei ro whare herehere?  
[An interpretation in English was given to the House.] 
[ 
I heard the Minister’s response and it gives rise to the question: when will all Government departments work together to reduce the number of people in prisons? 
] 
Hon DAMIEN O'CONNOR 
: They are engaged in that exercise as we speak. 
Simon Power 
: Why does the Minister not just admit that prison numbers and the Department of Corrections are in a shambles swallow his own ideological burp and allow the private sector a role—something his Government’s Corrections Act eliminated last year? 
Hon DAMIEN O'CONNOR 
: This Government has for a long time accepted that it is the Government’s role to look after prisons in this country. If I can use the issue of prisoner assaults as a measure of the situation in prisons today I can say that when that party was in Government in 1998-99 the number of assaults per hundred inmates was in fact 1.74. Today or in the 2004-05 year the number of assaults was 0.39 per hundred inmates—down by one-quarter is the number of assaults in prison. We believe we are managing the situation very well. 
Ron Mark 
: Is it not a fact that one of the factors exacerbating the problems of managing the large number of inmates and the unacceptable officer-to-inmate ratios is still to this day the wage cuts implemented by the National Government in December 1999 which slashed wages by between $600 to $7000 and entry-level officers’ wages by $12000; and when will this House see prison officers being paid a decent wage so that good ones stay and more sign up and join the service? 
Hon DAMIEN O'CONNOR 
: The member raises a very good point. In 1999 the conditions for prison officers were severely cut. Since then there have been two wage rounds. The department will begin negotiations with the unions early next year for another wage round. I am sure that all those issues will be debated at that time. 
Hospitals—Upgrading 
6.  
MARYAN STREET (Labour) 
 to the  
Minister of Health 
: What progress has been made in upgrading New Zealand hospitals? 
Hon PETE HODGSON (Minister of Health) 
: 
 This Government is committed to rebuilding the hospital infrastructure of New Zealand from Kaitaiato Invercargill. The Government has under the watch of my predecessor the Hon Annette King shown that commitment by the largest investment in public hospital infrastructure for a generation. 
Maryan Street 
: How does the Government’s hospital upgrades programme then compare with the efforts of previous administrations? 
Hon PETE HODGSON 
: The Labour-led Government’s historic investment in upgrading hospitals and opening new facilities stands in stark contrast to the previous National Government’s programme of closures and under-investment in New Zealand’s hospitals. Between 1991 and 1999 the National Government closed 38 public hospitals. We are building new ones and the difference between that party and this is that those members have tax cuts on their minds. 
Tariana Turia 
: How can the Minister justify a reduction in the number of beds following the upgrade of Wellington Hospital and what contribution will this reduction make towards reducing waiting lists? 
Hon PETE HODGSON 
: The number of beds in New Zealand has been reducing for about a century. The new hospital Wellington base hospital being built by this Labour Government will be a modern hospital a good hospital and suitable for the needs of the Wellington Capital and Coast region in the years 2005 and beyond. 
Foreign Policies—Confidence 
7.  
Hon MURRAY McCULLY (National—East Coast Bays) 
 to the  
Minister of Foreign Affairs 
: Does he have confidence in all the foreign policies of the Government; if so why? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Acting Minister of Foreign Affairs) 
: 
 Yes because particularly in respect of foreign affairs this is a hard-working and conscientious Government. 
Hon Murray McCully 
: Did the Minister see the advice tendered publicly by the previous Minister of Foreign Affairs Mr Goff who appeared to be concerned by the Minister’s intention to raise the trade deficit issue with China and cautioned him not to browbeat the Chinese Minister; and can he tell the House whether he followed his colleague’s advice? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN 
: As I said in the House last week when the Chinese Foreign Minister raised the issue of trade Mr Peters explained that that was the responsibility of Mr Goff. 
Hon Murray McCully 
: Did the Minister see the statement made by the previous Minister Mr Goff referring to the Minister as Cabinet’s mother-in-law; if so what did he read into those comments about the state of their working relationship at APEC? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN 
: As I said in the House last week I have a good relationship with my mother-in-law and on this side of the House we regard mothers-in-law as people one should have a good relationship with. Perhaps the National Party should appoint somebody for liaison with mothers-in-law. It would of course have to be somebody with a mother-in-law. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: I ask the House please to come to order. There is a lot of chatter when members are asking questions. Please just calm down. 
Hon Murray McCully 
: Can the Minister tell the House whether he agrees with the analysis of events at APEC provided by the new President of the New Zealand First Party Mr Dail Jones in the  
New Zealand Herald 
 that it was about “Phil Goff wanting to destabilise the situation so that he might make a run as leader of the party if Helen goes” or can he provide the House with a more flattering account of Mr Goff’s actions? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN 
: No I do not. My advice to anybody ever thinking about challenging the current leader of the Labour Party is that he or she would have to climb over the entire collection of rugby players in New Zealand before getting to her. 
Hon Murray McCully 
: Has the Minister seen the further statement made by the President of the New Zealand First Party Mr Jones that “If the situation is destabilised with New Zealand First then people like Phil Goff would be the winners” and can he assure the House that he holds no fears for the conduct of New Zealand’s foreign policy as a consequence of the factors referred to by Mr Jones? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN 
: I hold no such fears. The only party I am aware of where there is chatter about the leadership is the National Party. 
Hon Murray McCully 
: Can he explain why the Minister of Foreign Affairs refused to answer questions put to him by the  
Dominion Post  
about the matters to be discussed at his forthcoming meeting with the UK armed services Minister Mr Ingram; and was it because he intends to establish a different foreign policy from that of the Clark Government with the United Kingdom just as he has done with the United States Australia and China? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN 
: I do not accept the latter assertion. On the former matter Mr Peters has specifically told the Prime Minister that he has supported the Government’s actions in respect of Iraq and Afghanistan. 
Benefits—Beneficiary Numbers 
8.  
GEORGINA BEYER (Labour) 
 to the  
Minister for Social Development and Employment 
: What reports has he received on the number of people on benefits? 
Hon DAVID BENSON-POPE (Minister for Social Development and Employment) 
: 
 The latest quarterly figures prepared by the Ministry of Social Development show that in the year to September 2005 the number of working-age New Zealanders on benefits dropped by a further 16000 or 5 percent. There are 83000 or 22 percent fewer New Zealanders receiving assistance than there were in 1999. 
Georgina Beyer 
: Given yet another remarkable result my supplementary question asks: does the Government have an estimate of the value of moving so many people from benefits into work? 
Gerry Brownlee 
: I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. You may be tolerant of new members starting questions like that but this is not a new member and it should not be encouraged or even allowed. One would hope Madam Speaker that you might ask the member to refrain in future from those sorts of comments. Further I might add that we have noticed those sorts of comments coming through from answers today that have gone largely unchecked as well. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: I thank the member for his comments. He is quite right. I direct his comments also to all members in the House. I ask members just to stick to the question. 
Hon DAVID BENSON-POPE 
: For each individual in the workforce of course the value to his or her self-esteem and sense of worth is immeasurable. Additionally though it is important to note that moving 83000 New Zealanders into work amounts to a saving of at least $14 million per week. The reduction in expenditure therefore between 2003 and 2005 alone totals some $3.3 billion. 
Judith Collins 
: When does he expect a decrease in the sickness and invalids beneficiary numbers which despite the glowing reports he has just given us have continued to soar under his Government? 
Hon DAVID BENSON-POPE 
: There is no disguising what has been phenomenal success overall. Under this Government 301000 more New Zealanders are in jobs. We have the lowest unemployment rate in the OECD and the total number of working-age New Zealanders on benefits is as I said 22 percent lower. It is true that there has been a slight increase in sickness beneficiaries but the suggestion of the questioner does not hold water. Unemployment has decreased by 98600. That is four times the net increase in sickness beneficiaries. 
Judith Collins 
: I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. The Minister has to address the question. The question asked when he expected a similar decrease in the numbers of sickness and invalids beneficiaries. We have just had an absolutely angry response from the Minister—he was angry that I have dared to ask this question. He has not actually addressed it. I ask him to address the situation of sickness and invalids benefits and when we might see and expect a decrease. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: I thank the member. The Minister in his answer to the question did address the question of sickness benefits. It was obviously not to the satisfaction of the member but she has an opportunity to ask another supplementary question. 
Hon DAVID BENSON-POPE 
: The sickness and invalids benefits it is true to say grew at a rate of 69 percent and 84 percent respectively under the National Government. That is not to mention the unemployment rate which climbed by 11 percent. In the latest year to September the growth rate of the sickness benefit fell from 8 percent to 4 percent. We are getting on top of a trend that was clearly out of control under National. 
Avian Influenza—Preparation 
9.  
Hon TONY RYALL (National—Bay of Plenty) 
 to the  
Minister of Health 
: What medicines has the Ministry of Health started stockpiling for the possibility of an influenza pandemic? 
Hon PETE HODGSON (Minister of Health) 
: 
 I think the member may already know that the Ministry of Health has stockpiled the antiviral medication Tamiflu. 
Hon Tony Ryall 
: Since most of the victims of the 1918 pandemic died of secondary infections like pneumonia why have the Ministry of Health and Pharmac not moved to secure greater supplies of antibiotics? 
Hon PETE HODGSON 
: The member asks a very good question. I suggest that when the Health Committee is briefed—I think tomorrow—the member should put that to folk. In the meantime I offer the proposition that it would probably not be a very good idea to stockpile a lot of antibiotics early especially when the bug itself is not yet known simply because the expiry date— 
Hon Tony Ryall 
: You’ve got to lift your stock levels. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: Would the Minister address the question. 
Hon PETE HODGSON 
: I am trying to get a difficult answer across to a member whose neighbour is not helping. The problem with pre-stockpiling antibiotics is that they often have a short expiry date and that means that the antibiotics would be wasted. 
Sue Kedgley 
: Why has the Government told district health boards in the recently released New Zealand Influenza Pandemic Action Plan that they should build up their own supplies of Tamiflu in the event of a pandemic rather than rely on the national stockpile; and given that the chances of obtaining Tamiflu at this late stage are very slim indeed why has the Government waited until now to give them that advice? 
Hon PETE HODGSON 
: It may help the member to know that New Zealand has enough Tamiflu doses for approximately 20 or 21 percent of its population— 
Hon Tony Ryall 
: No. 
Hon PETE HODGSON 
: It does have enough doses for about 21 percent of the population which ranks it higher than I think almost any other country—with the possible exception of Japan—and which follows World Health Organization guidelines. That is somewhat higher than for example the US level which is around 2 percent. District health boards have not been instructed to carry additional stockpiles but they are certainly entitled to. On top of that district health boards have been asked to lay in supplies of personal protection equipment and because those supplies do not have an expiry date of any consequence they are being laid in now. 
Hon Tony Ryall 
: Has the Minister secured or begun to secure sufficient stockpiles of all essential drugs and medicines in order to meet the ongoing needs of ordinary New Zealanders if the borders are closed for several weeks during a pandemic? 
Hon PETE HODGSON 
: No and the reason is that it is a little early. I refer my colleague to my answer to his original question which was that it is not a good idea to lay in a whole lot of drugs that have an expiry date when we do not yet have a bug capable of human-to-human spread. 
Sue Kedgley 
: Has the Minister received any advice as to whether the Health and Safety in Employment Act and the National Health Emergency Plan: Infectious Diseases could require health workers to take Tamiflu prophylactically conceivably every day for up to 12 weeks at a time to offer them protection in the event of a bird flu epidemic; is he aware that if that was the case it could use up about half of New Zealand’s entire national stockpile of Tamiflu? 
Hon PETE HODGSON 
: The short answers are no and yes although it is the case that we will retain I am sure some Tamiflu for ongoing prophylactic use in the essential services especially since the pandemic could come in more than one wave. 
Sue Kedgley 
: I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. I request the Minister to clarify his answer because when he said “no and yes” I was not sure whether he was saying “no or yes”. Those are two quite different answers. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: The member asked two questions and the Minister answered those questions so that is not a point of order. 
Hon Tony Ryall 
: If a vaccine does become available how quickly could the population be immunised considering that the meningococcal B programme started a year ago and the Government has still not immunised every under-5-year-old? 
Hon PETE HODGSON 
: The member raises another good question. I think that the challenges of vaccinating an entire population especially since it is likely to have to be done twice in any short period of time is very challenging indeed. I make a further point that if we have to bring people together to vaccinate them we need to weigh the risks of bringing people together against the benefits of vaccination. So there is a lot to be asked yet about vaccination—questions that I am asking and that I am sure the member and other members of the Health Committee will ask public health officials when they meet tomorrow. 
Hon Tony Ryall 
: Why does the Government’s action plan not deal with who will actually treat the sick? 
Hon PETE HODGSON 
: The Government’s action plan does. Beneath the released version 14 of the plan lies a great deal of other literature and thought and I invite the members of the Health Committee tomorrow to put some of those questions to the public health people who are to be in front of them. 
Hon Tony Ryall 
: Release the documents. 
Hon PETE HODGSON 
: If the member wants documents to be released that are unreleased can he please put the question to me. I am happy to release things that may be useful in explaining that. 
Hon Tony Ryall 
: Why will the Government not release the draft list of who will get priority to the special reserves of Tamiflu so that businesses and emergency services can plan in light of that information? 
Hon PETE HODGSON 
: To the best of my knowledge there is no such draft list but if there were it would be unlikely to be of any value. One cannot have a useful response to who should get Tamiflu until the nature of the virus and the sections of the community it is likely to affect are known and that is not possible until there is a bug to respond to. 
Hon Tony Ryall 
: Is the reason why the Ministry of Health has not released its discussion on the reserve list that the Minister is on it? 
Hon PETE HODGSON 
: I have not myself seen any such draft. If one exists it will be of limited use to anybody because there is no case for drawing up how to distribute Tamiflu until the nature of the bug is known and at the moment the bug does not exist. 
Question No. 10 to Minister 
RON MARK (NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. I would just ask you to bear with me as I explain my case. I am seeking that you strike out this question on the basis that it is simply coming from Mr Hide and I will explain. I refer you firstly to Standing Order 59 which states that: “… at the commencement of each sitting the Speaker reads a prayer to the House …”. In this prayer the House acknowledges our need for God’s guidance in all things and goes on to say: “Laying aside all private and personal interests we beseech Thee to grant that we may conduct the affairs of this House and of our country to the glory of Thy holy name the maintenance of true religion and justice the honour of the Queen and the public welfare …”. I direct you further to Standing Orders 165(1) and 166(1) which stipulate and re-emphasise the rules regarding conflicts of interest. 
Mr Hide’s question clearly relates to a property owned by a man whom he has described many times in this House as his very good friend Dave “Hendo” Henderson. It involves a situation where a property which Mr Henderson is the owner and landlord of has been vacated by the Inland Revenue Department. This House on many occasions has heard that Mr Hide has received bids from Mr Henderson has possibly received remuneration for doing work for Mr Henderson in Fiji and has represented Mr Henderson on numerous occasions. Mr Henderson is a man who is reported to fund the ACT party and to support Mr Hide personally. Now through the House Mr Hide is seeking to get commercially confidential information that Mr Henderson would not otherwise have access to in order to put together his bid to retain the Inland Revenue Department as a tenant in his building. 
In view of the prayer and the guidance we seek in the way in which we conduct business in this House and in view of Standing Orders 165(1) and 166(1) which Mr Hide has not complied with I say that if this question had been asked by any other member of the House it might well have been acceptable but in its current form coming from Mr Hide—Dave “Hendo” Henderson’s close mate who has represented Mr Henderson in this House countless times—this question is clearly out of order and should not be permitted to be asked by Mr Hide. 
RODNEY HIDE (Leader—ACT) 
: 
 That is not a point of order in any way whatsoever—and I see that the Speaker is agreeing with me. Ron Mark can stand up and make all the complaints he likes but that is not a point of order. There is no conflict of interest and I know that the Speaker will rule accordingly. 
Ron Mark 
: Madam Speaker— 
Madam SPEAKER 
: No the member has put his case very well and Mr Hide has responded succinctly. I just note that the prayer is aspirational so no member is disqualified by it; that would certainly be a new ruling. I also point out that Standing Order 165 does not of itself disqualify a question or permit a question to be disallowed so it does not relate to questions. I note however that if in fact Mr Hide does stand to gain financially as a result of asking the question he has to declare it. But that does not make the question itself out of order. So I ask Mr Hide now to proceed to ask the question— 
RON MARK (NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: Is this a new point of order? 
RON MARK 
: Yes. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: I have already ruled. 
RON MARK 
: I accept your ruling Madam Speaker but in respect of Standing Order 166(1): “A member must before participating in the consideration of any item of business declare any financial interest that the member has in that business.” and for the clarification of the House I request that Mr Hide be asked to declare that he has no financial interest whatsoever in dealings with Mr Henderson and that this question is not in any way aimed at helping Mr Henderson. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: I thank the member. It is not for the Speaker to ask the member that; it is for the member himself to address the issue. 
Inland Revenue Department—Directories House Christchurch 
10.  
RODNEY HIDE (Leader—ACT) 
 to the  
Minister of Revenue 
: How much is the Inland Revenue Department paying per square metre for its accommodation in Directories House Christchurch and what is the total cost of the fit-out and move to Directories House? 
Hon PETER DUNNE (Minister of Revenue) 
: 
 I cannot disclose those figures because they are the subject of a confidentiality agreement between the commissioner and the building owners. I do not have the total cost of the fit-out and the move to Directories House at this stage simply because those costs have yet to be finalised. 
Rodney Hide 
: Does the Minister consider it acceptable that the Inland Revenue Department moved into temporary accommodation in Christchurch at a cost of $330 a square metre as reported in the  
National Business Review 
 plus a $2 million fit-out when it could have stayed in its present accommodation in Henderson House paying $130 a square metre; if so why does he think it acceptable? 
Hon PETER DUNNE 
: The Inland Revenue Department could not stay in its current accommodation; that lease was due to terminate in December of this year. Negotiations regarding its renewal commenced in the middle of last year and they were not concluded satisfactorily. 
Rodney Hide 
: Does the Minister believe it was possible for the Inland Revenue Department to stay on in a building owned by a man the previous Minister of Revenue Michael Cullen falsely accused of being “one of the biggest and nastiest tax evaders” and of running “the sex industry in Christchurch”; if so why? 
Hon PETER DUNNE 
: The member clearly knows Mr Henderson better than I do and is therefore better placed to answer that question. I just make this point: at the time the Inland Revenue Department went into what is now known as Henderson House the building was not in fact owned by Mr Henderson. I understand he acquired it subsequently. 
Dr the Hon Lockwood Smith 
: Does the Minister consider his department’s almost 300 percent increase in Christchurch accommodation costs to be an example of Treasury’s recent briefing advice to the Government that “There is little to indicate that New Zealanders are getting more services and better results from the public sector for the large increases in resources provided.”; if not why not? 
Hon PETER DUNNE 
: No I do not believe that. In fact when the process being embarked upon of reorganising Inland Revenue Department services in Christchurch is complete taxpayers will get an even better service than they currently get. 
Passports—Charges for e-passports 
11.  
SANDRA GOUDIE (National—Coromandel) 
 to the  
Minister of Internal Affairs 
: Does he stand by his statement regarding the new e-passport “It’s people’s perception of its beauty and its quality and its integrity.”; if so does he believe the “beauty” and “integrity” of the new e-passport is worth twice as much as the old passport? 
Hon RICK BARKER (Minister of Internal Affairs) 
: 
 Yes. 
Sandra Goudie 
: Does he believe that New Zealanders view the new passport as being so beautiful that they are happy to pay twice as much for a passport that now lasts half as long as its predecessor; if not why not? 
Hon RICK BARKER 
: The rate of applications for new passports at this stage of the year is higher than it was 12 months ago and any New Zealander who is in a remote part of the world will tell one that the best thing he or she has to guarantee safe passage home is in fact his or her New Zealand passport. 
Sandra Goudie 
: I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. That answer clearly did not go anywhere near addressing the question. May I put the question again please? 
Madam SPEAKER 
: The member did address the question obviously not to the satisfaction of the member. 
Sandra Goudie 
: I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. He absolutely— 
Madam SPEAKER 
: I have ruled on that question. 
Sandra Goudie 
: How did his department come up with the costing for the new passport which had its price doubled when he stated that it has an intangible value? 
Hon RICK BARKER 
: The costing of the passports was done very carefully and as I have explained to the member before all of the revenue from the passports will go into a memorandum account. That will be open to public scrutiny and also to this House to ensure that the costs attributed to that account are in fact fair. If there is any underspend on that then it will lead to a subsequent reduction in the cost of the New Zealand passport. 
Sandra Goudie 
: How does he reconcile his statement that the new passports have an intangible value with that of his department’s passport manager who was able to specify that the cost of the new e-chip was exactly $22? 
Hon RICK BARKER 
: That particular quote did not actually take into account the full cost of the passport which is for not just the chip but the encoding systems the computer systems and all of the other systems that support the New Zealand passport. To repeat my answer all the revenue gained by the Crown for the cost of the passports can be spent only on passport matters. The money is deposited into a memorandum account and it can be subject to clear parliamentary scrutiny. 
Sandra Goudie 
: Has the new passport had its physical appearance such as its colour changed; if not why does he believe that the beauty of it has been enhanced so much that it is now twice as expensive as the old passport which looked virtually identical? 
Hon RICK BARKER 
: Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. But I would also make the point that if one wants to compare the cost of a New Zealand passport with another there is the Australian passport. The Australian passport costs $185 for the same deal. The New Zealand passport is cheaper. 
Conservation Department—Island Pest Eradication 
12.  
STEVE CHADWICK (Labour—Rotorua) 
 to the  
Minister of Conservation 
: What progress has the Department of Conservation made in island pest eradication? 
Hon CHRIS CARTER (Minister of Conservation) 
: 
 The Department of Conservation is a world leader in developing and applying techniques for eradicating introduced pests on offshore islands. The department has developed the skills and technology to eradicate rodents from large and steep islands. This progress greatly enhances our prospects of saving many of our special endangered species. 
Steve Chadwick 
: Has the special biodiversity project on Secretary Island in Fiordland been successful? 
Hon CHRIS CARTER 
: This week the Department of Conservation announced that Secretary Island has been cleared of stoats. This was a special biodiversity project announced in the 2005 Budget as being completed in record time allowing my department to reintroduce a number of endangered bird species perhaps even in time kakapo—another example of a Labour promise fulfilled. 
Questions to Members 
Child Youth and Family Services Department—Financial Review 
1.  
HEATHER ROY (Deputy Leader—ACT) 
 to the  
Chairperson of the Social Services Committee 
: Is the Social Services Committee conducting a financial review of the Department of Child Youth and Family Services; if so on what date will evidence be heard? 
GEORGINA BEYER (Chairperson of the Social Services Committee): 
 I am pleased to inform the ACT party representative on the Social Services Committee that yes evidence will be heard on Wednesday 23 November 2005 at 11.30 a.m. I look forward to seeing the member there. 
Heather Roy 
: Will the outgoing Chief Executive of Child Youth and Family Services Paula Tyler appear before the Social Services Committee tomorrow to give evidence? 
GEORGINA BEYER 
: I can confirm that that will be the case. 
Judith Collins 
: Will the outgoing Chief Executive of Child Youth and Family Services Paula Tyler be required to answer questions regarding her failed employment? 
GEORGINA BEYER 
: As chair of the Social Services Committee far be it from me to speculate on what questions members may ask Ms Tyler. 
Address in Reply 
Debate resumed from 17 November. 
Hon BILL ENGLISH (National—Clutha-Southland) 
: 
 I was going to talk about education in the Address in Reply debate particularly when I heard Steve Maharey say that he wanted to be associated with excellence. Well putting Steve Maharey in charge of excellence and education is like putting David Benson-Pope in charge of victim support. But as my colleague says he is—and it is actually just as likely. Steve Maharey’s record in education is one of wreckage chaos and mess. The Government feels so badly about what Steve Maharey did in tertiary education that it has put Dr Cullen in charge of that and it has given him 3 years to fix it. He will need every day of the rest of the life of this Government to make any headway at all. 
As I said I was going to talk about that but the mess the Government has got itself into over its arrangement with New Zealand First and Winston Peters is so bad that it cannot go without comment after question time today. We have tried in this House to get the Government to establish the rules on which Winston Peters is operating. What role does he have in being part of the Government as a Minister but outside the Government as the leader of the New Zealand First Party? 
We have had to ask those questions in the House because the  
Cabinet Manual 
 is now no longer of any value. In fact the Prime Minister Helen Clark has effectively suspended the  
Cabinet Manual 
. The  
Cabinet Manual 
 that currently exists is not relevant; we have been told that by the Prime Minister herself. But there is no new manual. Even if the current one is meant to have some kind of currency what action will the Prime Minister take against Phil Goff who certainly breached the conventions of collective responsibility by undermining New Zealand’s Minister of Foreign Affairs overseas. That is the Minister who leaked to the media the fact that he was having backroom conversations with the Foreign Minister of another country about our Minister of Foreign Affairs. He did that to humiliate Mr Peters. So we have looked at the  
Cabinet Manual 
 and decided that it has no currency; it is irrelevant. 
We have asked questions in the House and have had no answers to them. I tell Helen Clark that that is holding the House in contempt. The main function of this House apart from its representative capacity is to hold the executive to account. We cannot hold that Prime Minister or her Government to account because she cannot tell us what responsibilities the Government has. 
The Prime Minister should come to the House and lay those responsibilities out but she has not done that. Instead she had a go at doing that at a press conference yesterday. She did not think it was worth telling Parliament; she thought she would tell the  
New Zealand Herald 
—no doubt to curry favour with it after the protracted rows she has had with it over the years. Let us look at what she told the  
New Zealand Herald 
. She was asked how Mr Peters would handle issues such as defence and trade when he had different views from the Government—because he certainly has. She just said: “… you may find that he’s saying a good deal less on those issues …”. So that is the answer: Helen Clark has told Winston Peters to say nothing about the issues on which he disagrees with the Government. 
Dr the Hon Lockwood Smith 
: He’s going to meet the Defence Minister. 
Hon BILL ENGLISH 
: He is going to meet the Defence Minister but we will come to that. First she said that Mr Peters would say a good deal less. Then she said that she did not believe there would be confusion in other countries about discrepancies between Mr Peters and the Government on defence or trade. There would be no confusion about the discrepancies because in that situation he was bound by collective responsibility in his capacity as Minister of Foreign Affairs. 
What does that mean? We now have a new definition of what the Minister of Foreign Affairs does. The agreement with the Government does not say anything about Mr Peters being bound on trade and defence as part of his responsibility as Minister of Foreign Affairs. It actually says the opposite. The Prime Minister is saying to the press that he is bound by collective responsibility on defence and trade; the agreement she signed just a few weeks ago states exactly the opposite. It states that he is not bound on anything outside his responsibilities as the Minister of Foreign Affairs. 
Gerry Brownlee 
: So what’s going on? Unbelievable! 
Hon BILL ENGLISH 
: Well members should listen to this explanation: “I don’t think we should try to make the situation more complex than it needs to be.” 
Gerry Brownlee 
: Who said that? 
Hon BILL ENGLISH 
: Ms Clark. Of course she does not want to make it more complex than she Winston Peters and Phil Goff have made it. We can have all this political toing and froing in here—and we will for as long as this Government lasts. It will be an issue because Helen Clark cannot and will not resolve it. But I tell members that what really bothers me is how stupid we look to other countries and how stupid we look to the Australians who think that this Government is away with the fairies anyway. 
However Winston Peters is over there representing all of us because we treat foreign affairs largely as a bipartisan issue. On issues that matter on serious issues of serious national interest such as whether we send more troops to Afghanistan we take a bipartisan approach. So Winston Peters is representing not just New Zealand First—he certainly does not represent the Labour Party because he does not want to—but he is representing the New Zealand Parliament and people. 
But what happened when he went to Australia to represent us? Labour humiliated him. It humiliated New Zealand’s Minister of Foreign Affairs at APEC. It has humiliated him again today. He is going off to have a meeting with a senior UK Minister the Minister of State for the Armed Forces but Helen Clark came out this morning to set out the Government’s position on Afghanistan before Mr Peters arrives at the meeting just to make sure that no matter what he says there no one will take any notice of it. So Winston Peters is someone who has gone into an agreement with the Government and the Government has decided that the best way to treat him is to humiliate him. 
Gerry Brownlee 
: He loves it. 
Hon BILL ENGLISH 
: Some of us would say that he deserves it—whether or not he loves it. Some would say he is behaving in a stupid manner himself. The photo from APEC of New Zealand’s Minister of Foreign Affairs trying to stand aside from the rest of the Asia-Pacific region—as if anyone noticed for God’s sake!—was just ridiculous and it brought shame on our country. 
National members want Helen Clark to lay out the rules and through Parliament to express what responsibility Winston Peters has. We want her to tell Phil Goff to stop undermining the Minister of Foreign Affairs because we believe that it is bad for New Zealand and we believe that she should stop saying stupid and contradictory things to the press about what her Government is up to. The Prime Minister has been through all this before. Can members of Parliament remember when Jim Anderton was the leader of one party in the House and the leader of a different party outside the House? Do members remember how corrosive that was and how stupid it looked? 
Helen Clark has decided that being Prime Minister is so important to her that she has to override all those conventions that make our constitution work. She has suspended the  
Cabinet Manual 
. There are now no rules for Cabinet Ministers. She cannot explain them herself in response to simple and intelligent questions from the media. 
And she has now decided to downgrade our Minister of Foreign Affairs to the point where he receives no respect. The  
New Zealand Herald  
referred to him as a “postbox”. Well at least that indicated some kind of specific role. Helen Clark has not described Mr Peters as an influential and senior Minister or as a spokesperson for the Government; she has described him as “a point of contact”. New Zealand’s Minister of Foreign Affairs is now a point of contact and that is all. We know Mr Peters and we know him well so I ask him whether he will take that humiliation. 
HONE HARAWIRA (Maori Party—Te Tai Tokerau) 
: 
 Hoino hei timatanga korero me mihi au ki a koutou e te whanau kua haere tawhiti mai hei tautoko i te kaupapa o te ra nei. No reira tena koutou kia ora tatou katoa. 
[An interpretation in English was given to the House.] 
[ 
Indeed as a preface to my address I would like to acknowledge you collectively the family who have come here from a distance to support today’s event. And so I greet and thank you all 
.] 
The other day one of the kids from Te Rangianiwaniwa asked what I could bring to Parliament. I come from the classic Maori extended whanau. I have a history and a passion for Maori education Maori media and the Treaty of Waitangi a commitment to Maori rights and a long and distinguished record in the courtrooms of this country. One of my kaumatua from Te Rarawa said he had voted for me because I had been singing the same waiata since the 1970s—a classic gold number about the Treaty of Waitangi. 
I stand here as a member of the new Maori Party but carrying the same hopes and aspirations of my predecessors: Fredrick Nene Russell Hone Tawhai Paraire Paikea Hone Heke Rankin Matiu Rata and even the recently refurbished Tau Henare. 
So when a reporter asked me whether I thought the Maori Party was separatist I said that if unity meant a continuation of the appalling health education housing mortality and prison statistics that Maori face then hell yes I must be a separatist. I told him that if after 150 years of our being governed in the manner that we have been our customary rights and in terms of the denial of judicial process even our basic human rights can be denied then hell yes I must be a separatist for only a fool could allow such destruction to go unchallenged. I wish to extend my thanks to the UN special rapporteur for coming to Aotearoa to hear representations from Maori on the degradation of their human rights. 
When we first talked of a hikoi from Te Rerenga Wairua to Wellington to oppose the Foreshore and Seabed Bill I had a sense of the anger felt by Maoridom at what the chairman of the Treaty Tribes Coalition called “the most grievous breach of our human rights in recent times”. But neither I nor anyone else could have foreseen the power the unity and the passion of the tens of thousands who poured on to the streets of the nation to demonstrate their opposition to the bill and the legislation that followed. 
That legislation is what brought the condemnation of the United Nations upon us and for all that the Prime Minister may seek to downplay the importance of the visit the United Nations Commission on Human Rights is not an organisation to be taken lightly. By forcing the Maori nation down the path of no legal redress she has guaranteed that our credibility as a country is now on the line our status as a racially tolerant nation is at an end and with the likely ongoing dispute and turmoil our ranking with the international finance agencies will also be on edge. Like Nero fiddling while Rome burnt the Prime Minister frolicked with a sheep while the Maori nation was at her door and the Maori Party will forever be here to remind her of the folly of her ways. 
So why am I here? Why am I in Parliament? My tupuna Tamati Waka Nene encouraged Maori to sign the Treaty because he said there were already many blue-eyed mokopuna and because he believed that the Treaty would guarantee Maori rights and would not allow Maori to become slaves in their own land. I am here to defend Maori rights and to advance Maori interests. I want to retain the Maori seats in Parliament to repeal the foreshore and seabed legislation and to support legislation that will enable all citizens of Aotearoa to live a healthy and meaningful life. 
But I am not here to validate a parliamentary process that denies my people the opportunities they deserve. We are being denied that opportunity by a Government that treats us like sheep to be herded from one place to another that keeps us dependent on welfare and that seeks even to determine our path to prosperity. 
As chairman of my kura I have seen this Government take away a contract in which we had overachieved and give it to a college of education that had held the same contract for 12 months and had done absolutely nothing. As a founding member of the Tai Tokerau public health organisation I have seen well-run and high-outcome health contracts taken away from Maori providers and given back to the poorly performing district health boards. As a taxpayer I watch the dismantling of the Kaitaia Hospital and I have to ask: while we are saving our money who is saving our lives? As a son of the Tai Tokerau I see a million-dollar prison being built in my backyard while the Department of Corrections freely admits that prisons do not work and I see schools sell cakes and sausages to fund their operations. And as a Maori I was forced to endure the National Party bashing Maori to get votes. I cringe at the thought that in the 21st century people could be so callous in their disregard for the rights of Maori that they would seek to betray our citizenship in order to get into power. 
I want to help create the environment where Maori feel positive about taking risk and where they feel encouraged to seek their own solutions. I want to work to increase funding that encourages positive Maori initiative and to resource those who dedicate their lives to their communities both Maori and non-Maori. I want us all to treasure the Treaty in the same way that we are proud to embrace the haka. I want to challenge Maori to challenge ourselves to be all that we can be to refuse to accept the crime and poverty that infest our lives and to lift ourselves to the status our tupuna dreamt of for us. And I want this House to take up the challenge of helping make that happen. 
One of those challenges is te reo Maori. In 1987 Maori was finally honoured as an official language in this country. It is taught in preschools in primary schools in intermediate schools in secondary schools in tertiary institutions and in homes and offices throughout the nation. Our kohanga reo kura kaupapa whare wananga whare kura iwi radio and Maori television have been adopted all around the indigenous world as the model for language retention and revitalisation. 
Yet when in our first minute in the House I rose to welcome us all with a short mihi in Maori my reception was a stunned and stony silence. Then last week when Nandor Tanczos returned to the House and I spoke for less than a minute in Maori to welcome him back and to welcome the delegation that had travelled hundreds of miles to hear Pita Sharples speak I got blasted for it by the Speaker. It seems that for all its official status the Maori language has yet to find a home in this House. 
Then when we got into question time the House descended into the petty point-scoring often nasty and always noisy bedlam for which it is notorious and I watched the Speaker sit quietly by as if that is how the House is supposed to act. And I know already how our behaviour can be improved. A tour of marae throughout any iwi in the country would teach us all the etiquette of whaikorero and the right of the speaker to be heard without interjection. And if I might add without malice a lesson in tikanga for the Speaker of a House that is becoming browner by the election would not go amiss either. 
When the time came to swear allegiance in this House the Maori Party MPs also gave their oath of loyalty to the Treaty of Waitangi because without the Treaty there can be no valid authority for the Crown in this country. We should all look to our past for guidance and we should look to the Treaty to help us face our past and build our future together. The Treaty is the founding document of our nation. It provides the basis for good relations between all citizens of Aotearoa it sets out how resources can be managed for the betterment of all and it provides the framework for an ethical and inclusive society. To deny its rightful place in our society is to deny our past and to limit our future. 
Its betrayal is at the source of much of the ill-feeling between the races in this nation and I say to all who would bother to listen that if there is one truth about the Treaty of Waitangi it is this: there will be no true peace in Aotearoa until this House has the courage to do justice by the Treaty. A nation that is secure in its place in the world would not shy away from the possibility that the Treaty could be enshrined as our nation’s constitution and that the Treaty might have a real place in guiding our legislative process. We have it within our power to ensure that historical grievances are settled justly and that current and future governance reflects the partnership envisaged by the Treaty. I wonder though whether we have the courage to do it. 
My wife urged me not to make the following remarks or to speak them only in Maori in order to soften their impact but I cannot change the hand that history has already dealt us and I will not ignore the challenge that I must lay down here. I am saddened by the knowledge that all the Maori MPs of the Labour Party know that what I say about the Treaty is true but because their future is decided by their loyalty to the party they have allowed themselves to be silenced. I am saddened by the knowledge that they too were as angry as the rest of Maoridom over Labour’s decision to push through with the Foreshore and Seabed Act but they chose their own futures over the needs of their people and said nothing. I know too that their having rolled over on the Foreshore and Seabed Act Helen Clark knew that her Maori MPs would never oppose her when she started rolling back the gains of the last 20 years. 
So when Labour announced a review of the Treaty in legislation her Maori MPs said nothing. When Labour refused to entrench the Maori seats through which its Maori MPs had all come to power again they said nothing. When Labour started bashing Te Wananga o Aotearoa again they were silent. I note the rewards that were given for that silence in the handout of Cabinet and associate ministerships after the election. And while I will never forget the sense of betrayal that Maori felt right throughout the country at the actions of Labour’s Maori MPs I will never ever forgive the Labour Party for what it has done to cause the loss of mana to its own members of Parliament. 
And yet still I have hope. I have hope because I refuse to accept defeat. I have hope because even by coming to this House I know I carry the hopes and expectations of Maoridom to achieve change and I know they will be there when the call comes to act. 
I have the greatest love for my kaumatua and kuia from all over Te Tai Tokerau who have given their all to support me into this House. Their days are short but the Maori Party seems to have given them a new lease of life—a sense that what they have always hoped and dreamt for has in one small part already come to pass. I have hope for my mokopuna and Maori kids at kura throughout Aotearoa for they have a joy and a passion for being Maori that simply did not exist when I was a kid. I have hope for the next generation when I hear our young people at Nga Manu Korero say: “If Hone Harawira can get there then I can get there too.” I have hope for our future because of the vigour and the enthusiasm the fury and the romance that our people have vested in the many songs and haka about the hikoi and about the Maori Party. I have hope because I know that change is inevitable and that the Maori Party will be part of that change. 
I see the bright and fiery eyes of those who have come to this House for the first time from all parties and I have hope for the reckless courage of the new members who want to stamp their mark on this House and help build a new pathway for this nation. I see my whanaunga Shane Jones my good friend Parekura Horomia my ratbag companion Tau Henare my relation Pita Paraone the ever-helpful Metiria Turei and the dreadlocked Nandor Tanczos and I dare to hope that whanaungatanga and friendship will create opportunities that party politics would normally disallow. 
And I have hope too because of all those in the tino rangatiratanga movement who have nurtured me over the years who have challenged me who have abused me who have carried me and who have condemned me but who have at all times reminded me that life is tough but life without liberty ain’t worth living. 
Aotearoa is a nation founded on a troubled past. Attempts to colonise Maori have failed and we remain a country divided. It seems that now more than ever Maori need to have faith in themselves to be confident in their ability to determine their own future and to work alongside their Treaty partners in meeting their obligations. Aotearoa is a beautiful country and contrary to popular belief Maori welcome Pakeha to these shores. But that relationship is dependent upon respect for the right of tangata whenua and the respect for all others as well. But let me make this clear: Maori are here to stay and so are Maori rights. I love my homeland and I want my mokopuna to grow up in a country where he can walk down the street as a citizen of Aotearoa comfortable in his Maori identity; aware of his rights under the Treaty; confident secure and proactive in all aspects of his life; and respectful of all others in this society. 
A Catholic priest arrested and jailed in Manila for opposing martial law once said to me: “Happy are those who dream dreams and are prepared to pay the price to make those dreams come true.” And Nga Tamatoa leaves us with this little reminder: “Tama tu tama ora; tama noho tama mate—Tamatoa.” Those who stand and fight shall live; those who sit and wait shall perish. E te iwi tena koutou tena koutou huri atu huri noa tena tatou katoa. 
[ 
And so to you the people gathered here there and throughout thank you all 
.] 
Waiata 
Haka 
Karanga 
CHESTER BORROWS (National—Whanganui) 
: 
 My congratulations to the Hon Margaret Wilson on becoming the Speaker for a second term to my colleague Clem Simich on his appointment as Deputy Speaker and to you Madam Assistant Speaker and the honourable member Ross Robertson on your appointments as Assistant Speakers. 
I acknowledge the previous member for Whanganui Jill Pettis. Jill is a tough campaigner. She and I never see eye to eye but the conflict is always engaging and every milestone is hard fought and hard won. 
Tena koe te Rangatira Tariana. Ka pirangi ahau. Ki te mahi ki to taha mo nga tangata o te rohe o Whanganui. Greetings Tariana. We can work together for the benefit of the people of Whanganui. 
The Whanganui electorate stretches from the Whangaehu River to the Kaupokonui Stream and lies between the territorial borders of the South Taranaki District Council the Wanganui District Council and the coast. So the seat encompasses not only Wanganui City but also Kaponga Manaia Eltham Hawera Patea Waverley Fordell and the Whanganui River settlements of Koriniti Ranana Atene Jerusalem and Pipiriki. 
Within its borders are many people with boundless energy and various businesses and communities of interest. Bits of Wanganui design and manufacturing circle the globe as components on the National Aeronautics and Space Administration’s space shuttle. Valueless animal gut is made into musical instrument and racquet strings which sell for between $1.5 million and $6 million per tonne and are judged the best in the world. The biggest single-site dairy manufacturer in the world which produces 2.5 percent of New Zealand’s export earnings is in Hawera. The Universal College of Learning’s fashion design school in Wanganui runs a degree course for which the fashion houses of Milan pay a premium. Fox and Disney recommend that their staff obtain qualifications from its graphic design school and its fine arts course is world renowned. These are no less remarkable than the many volunteer organisations Government service agencies and conventional businesses. It is my privilege to represent these people and these ambitions accomplishments and successes. 
 I need to thank those who have set me on the path leading to Parliament today. Firstly I thank my team my campaign chairs from three campaigns: David Bennett Viv Chapman and Gerard Langford. They have led volunteers who door-knocked pushed pamphlets attended meetings wrote letters sold raffle tickets and gave wise counsel. I thank our president Judy Kirk who rang in March last year to convince me to stand again after I had taken the decision to concentrate on the law and flag away politics; and of course I thank those who lobbied her to make that call. 
I want also to thank a very good friend and an understated bloke by the name of Neil Walker. Neil signed me up to the National Party. Neil is also the person I point to as the significant influence on my decision to stand for Parliament and he is the person who has driven me both across and up and down the country to meetings and conferences chewed the fat with me planted germs of ideas and challenged others and supported me in every way to put my head above the parapet. Neil knocked on my door canvassing on behalf of the National Party just after the election in 1987. I had been up all night chasing burglars—unsuccessfully—in a little town called Patea where I was the sole-charge cop. Normally I would have told him where to go and shut the door and gone back to bed but Neil knocked on my door about 2 weeks after I had made the decision to join the National Party. 
That decision had come after about 30 years of preparation. My mum and dad who are here today raised a couple of kids to have a very strong sense of social justice. Dad has voted National twice in his life—in 1975 and 2005. Mum will not let on but I think she saw the light a little earlier. They believed as I believed for 30 years that the social gospel of our Christian faith was best reflected politically in the policies of the Labour Party. I had always believed this without question. 
My father got me a job on the wharf and slipway in Nelson with hard-working and hard-living men some of them gang members—people vastly different from me. As a 16-year-old casual labourer I learnt how to weld and spray paint; I climbed through bilges and tanks because casual labourers were on the bottom rung. I am sure this was what my father was thinking: that there were lessons for me to learn there that I could not pick up anywhere else—and he was right. They were lessons about values and they were valuable lessons. Many similar experiences through the years in the police volunteer social work community work and youth work gave me plenty of opportunity for reflections on social justice. 
My decision to join the National Party though was in response to the then Labour Government removing the Project Employment Programme (PEP)—the work-for-the-dole scheme of the late 1980s. The Minister of Labour decided to stop trying to provide work for the unemployed because of the cost of administration. I saw this as an abdication of social responsibility. What happened was that on the first day after the withdrawal of PEP with no reason to go to work and with time on their hands the local Black Power in Patea got drunk and had a scrap. There was only me to deal with it. I walked up to that scrap thinking: “Where the hell are you now Prebble?”. I needed to do my bit to teach the Government a lesson. And then Neil knocked on my door. 
In listening to the speeches of other new MPs I find it interesting to see how similar starts in life have taken us to different places with divergent philosophies. I like others who have spoken have worked with people’s lives. The trouble with that is there is no visible tangible result of our labours. One cannot hang a life up on a wall and say: “When I started working with this person and that person their lives were a mess but look at them now—achieving to their full potential and fully participating.” Unlike my late father-in-law a carpenter who could point to buildings as testament to his craft or my farmer grandfather who starting in the Depression took waste gumland in Northland and made clean and productive pasture the results of my work seem to be intangible. But they are no less satisfying. 
In 1976 I frequently worked in the cells under the Auckland Magistrate’s Court with David Lange’s voice reverberating round the courtrooms while I was in the cells keeping an eye on his clients. Written on the walls of the cell block was a statement reading: “Twas an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth—and the world was blind and toothless.” The inscription was not scratched on the walls by a remorseful offender but by another policeman examining the futility of society’s response to crime and punishment as some would have us do it. 
Then later in 1989 I was working as a detective in South Taranaki. Family benefit was paid on Tuesdays and Thursdays and some parents celebrated it by getting pissed—and their children got hurt. I vividly recall a visit on an ordinary day to an ordinary State house and to the typical 6-feet-square fibrolite shed behind it which was filled with rubbish bags because nobody had the energy to take them a few metres to the gate to be collected. I had been talking to the father of the household that day in prison. The father had been charged with raping his sister-in-law. He had attempted sex she had resisted and he had broken her jaw then raped her. So dad was in jail and mum was a few metres away on the turps with her mates. Their 7-year-old son took himself off for a sneaky smoke in the shed. He tripped and fell and somehow a fire started in the rubbish. He was trapped and incinerated before any of the adults knew what had happened. He was exactly the same age as my son. I watched my son sleeping that night and blubbed and decided that it was time to get active. 
A few strongly held beliefs do not save one life. Although the vast majority of people in similar circumstances did benefit raised good kids and went on to become independent and self-respecting one size does not fit all. Everyone who ends up in custody will cost over $50000 a year. Why would we not spend a fraction of that to avoid those outcomes? With 500000 people between the ages of 5 and 20 and 5 percent of them being easily identifiable by early childhood or year-1 teachers as children at risk why would we not do something to walk alongside those children to help them avoid the risks dodge the bad influences and reverse the negative expectations? Even from a purely financial perspective it is worth it. But the social cost of human and spiritual capital is far far more expensive. In New Zealand our homicide rate approaches 100 a year. For our population this is about four times that of the United Kingdom with all its threats of terrorism and all its racial tensions and organised crime. Why do we have such a culture of violence? That is a question too big to debate today but it is a debate we must have. 
Communities love to claim the achievers in sports and academia the artists and the good kids. But all the kids are ours—those who make us proud and those we would prefer to ignore. Nothing is more inspiring than seeing a young life—or sometimes a life not so young—that in spite of all pedigree predictions trends and analyses beats the odds to achieve beyond his or her wildest dreams. They are people who refuse to be relegated to the third place as underachievers by those social labellers who neglect everyone’s right to achieve to his or her highest potential. They are the people who did not want an easy road but had their buttons pushed by their will to win in their own right who cut their own track and who were able to stand in front of those who would lock them into low wages and low prospects and say: “No damn it don’t patronise me and don’t pat me on the head and leave me in the corner. Let me have a crack at self-esteem. Give me a chance to break the mould.” 
I want to live in a country that claims all children as its own and accepts the glory and the responsibility of that—the responsibility to create opportunities for them to stand straight with chin up and chest out and not to slouch on extended welfare for their whole working lives never to stand proudly unaided. I want to live in a country where all talents and abilities are rewarded; not just the flavour-of-the-month occupations but the brain surgeon and the drain digger the social worker and the rocket scientist the chippy and the chairman of the board. That Madam Assistant Speaker is why I joined the National Party and why I stand here today. 
Many of us who come here have connections from outside politics. My wife’s former boss usually sits over there. My former lecturer hard little snot that he is sits down here—I got 51 percent—and he is also a newly found relative as is the Hon Annette King. We share great-great-grandfathers. She may be happy that the relationship is not any closer. 
In 1996 I attended a conference titled Beyond Dependency and heard Parekura Horomia then of Te Puni Kokiri speak and it was a fantastic and moving speech. On the way to the venue I passed Sue Bradford at the front of the demonstration. We had met before in similar circumstances though she may not remember. But a couple of weeks ago Sue Bradford and I were sworn in together—the protester and the policeman. Tena koe. 
The world is bigger than this House but acknowledgment of that does not mean we should not try to work together. I am not so naive as to think that situations do not demand a fight or that the scrap does not involve the loss of some skin or hair from time to time. Sometimes one just has to have the fight. All sides of the debate need airing; that is the nature of democracy. 
People have asked me why I want to be here—because some people think we are all nuts. My quick response is that I am egotistical enough to believe that I can make a difference and I am pleased to say that others do too. But my inspiration comes from a passage from Scripture outlining the requirements of my chosen faith: to do justice to love kindness and to walk humbly before my God. 
I have fought three successive campaigns to get here and in the intervening years I have given up a career of 24 years been to Victoria University and obtained a law degree—just eh Chris—worked for 2½ years as defence counsel and spent 15 months campaigning full-time without wages. In all that time I have enjoyed the full support of my wife Ella my son Zac and my daughters Abi and Katy. I doubt that any political aspirant has ever enjoyed the level of support they have shown me. It feels terrific to be in this House—in spite of the reputation of politicians—and credit for winning Whanganui and finally making it to this House belongs to that level of support. Thank you Ella. 
My final thanks go to the people of the Whanganui electorate many of whom voted against their tradition of voting for the left and voted for the right. I acknowledge that my job now is to show them that their decision was a good decision. I take nothing and nobody for granted. I will work even harder in the interests of the Whanganui electorate to stand up under the task asked of me and never to forget the special privilege of being an electorate member of Parliament. 
Hon PHIL GOFF (Minister of Defence) 
: 
 I begin by congratulating the new member Chester Borrows who has just resumed his seat. I think we hear the best from our members when they deliver their maiden speeches and we have heard from Mr Borrows a very sincere presentation of his views and the things that have motivated him to come to the House. I congratulate you also Madam Assistant Speaker on your appointment and I congratulate your fellow office holders in the House. I also congratulate Shane Jones and Sue Moroney on the moving and seconding of the Address in Reply. Those also I think were inspirational speeches and give us confidence about the new blood that has found its way into the Labour caucus. 
I speak now on a somewhat sombre note and reflect on the House’s loss of Rod Donald whom I did not get a chance to speak about in the House. Rod and I go back a long long way. We both worked on the Residential Tenancies Bill in the early 1980s. We were at times allies and we were at times opponents but we were never enemies. He was a person of passionate conviction for causes and beliefs which drove him politically—his support for human rights his support for social justice—and that I think makes his passing from the House a sad loss for all of us. 
I remember also David Lange for his advocacy for the underdog. I worked closely with David from the late 1970s and he was I think a person without peer in terms of his superb communication and his quick wit in the House. He was at times an inspirational leader and I remember in particular through the first 3 years of the fourth Labour Government feeling that it was a huge privilege to work with him from my perspective as the youngest and most junior member of Cabinet. 
I would also like to remember Jack Luxton who was the Deputy Speaker when I came into this House and John Falloon. I think they were truly decent men in what I would regard as the old style of the National Party and I encourage the National Party today to go back to some of that gentlemanly perspective on life that I think created real respect. 
I have to say that after listening to the maiden speeches—those I have heard—it is hard to line up some of the speeches from the National Party with the appointment of a PC eradicator. I have heard a lot of “Kia oras” coming from the National Party side. I see my old friend Tau Henare across the House. Tau Henare once set up the Mauri Pacific party and I have here a quote from him. He said that Maori language would become a compulsory subject in all schools up until form 2 to ensure the language’s survival. That is pretty PC! But it gets better. His party said it would adopt a gender balancing twinning policy. Well that is more PC than I have ever dared to be from this side of the House. But then I look back at the maiden speech of the PC eradicator—whom I am searching for in the House at the moment. I have just been talking about how people spoke from the heart when they gave their maiden speeches. This is from Wayne Mapp back at the time he gave his maiden speech in the House. I listened closely because Wayne Mapp had contested an election against me not as a National Party candidate but for the Labour Party selection in 1981. When he finally got into this House in 1997 he said this: “The liberating experience of education led me to develop equity admission programmes at the University of Auckland for Maori and Polynesian students undertaking commerce degrees.” 
How do we line up the double standards of the National members who one by one claim to be the most PC members in this House then go out during an election and crusade against it? It is a little bit hard also I have to say to reconcile the National Party that tried to arouse race prejudice in this country by talking about the abolition of the Maori seats and the elimination of the Treaty of Waitangi from any legislation with a letter signed by Don Brash and the leader of the Maori Party to try to form a coalition Government in this country. That I think reflects badly on both parties in terms of the hypocrisy that that represents. The National Party said it wanted to abolish the seats that saw the Maori Party elected and the Maori Party was prepared to go into coalition with the National Party for whatever reason. I do not understand because that was never the mandate given by the Maori voters who might have used their electorate vote to vote for the Maori Party but used their party vote to support the Labour Party. 
 The 2005 election was the fourth MMP election in New Zealand. MMP does create a new political environment and it demands a different response from how traditionally we operated under first past the post. Those of us who remember that system feel a little nostalgic about it—the ability to form a clear-cut Government with a simple majority. But we have learnt something about MMP and we learnt it from the National Party. The National Party was the first Government elected under MMP. It formed a coalition arrangement with the New Zealand First Party. 
R Doug Woolerton 
: I remember that. 
Hon PHIL GOFF 
: Doug Woolerton was a member and an official of the National Party at one stage but quickly abandoned that. He will remember how that coalition collapsed within 2 years. Tau Henare will remember it as well. What we saw with the collapse of that National – New Zealand First coalition were the so-called waka-jumpers who left their party including I have to say Alamein Kopu who was elected on a position totally at odds with the National Party who then swung her vote to support the Jenny Shipley Cabinet. That was the one that I heard Tau Henare in Te Atatu swearing he would never sit with around the Cabinet table. I say to Tau Henare that there has been an amazing flexibility in his politics over time but I welcome him back to the House anyway. The fact was that we learnt that that coalition broke down because of the inflexibility of the arrangements. 
I have been much quoted about mothers-in-law. I have to put on record that I was intensely fond of my mother-in-law. She died 2 years ago. She was a lovely person and I put that on record. She lived with us in our house for a while. It produced some strains. We built a granny flat and we each had our own space. That granny flat enabled us to coexist quite well and that is exactly what the arrangement is with New Zealand First. That party is bound to collective responsibility in the portfolio areas exercised by the Rt Hon Winston Peters and it has the room to move in the other areas where New Zealand First and the Labour Party are different and I say that quite emphatically. New Zealand First is different but it has its own space. We will make this work in the way that the National Party failed twice to make it work with Winston Peters. It threw him out of Cabinet twice. 
This time we will make it work. And we will make work what the electorate delivered up to us. The electorate delivered up to us a situation where we did not have a clear majority where this country needed the stability and the consistency that the last National Government failed to provide. We will deliver that to this country and this country will be the better for it. I say with great pride that for 6 years a Labour-led Government has made the MMP system work and a Labour-led Government has without exception delivered on every promise it made at the election. For 6 years after the National Party had let down the superannuitants—it had promised to abolish the surtax “no ifs no buts no maybes”—that promise was broken. [ 
Interruption 
] Lockwood Smith draws my attention. Lockwood Smith stood on the platform with me at universities around the country saying National would abolish student fees. Of course National did not abolish them it doubled them. This Labour-led Government has been true to its word. This Labour-led Government has produced the greatest increase in people’s incomes the best improvements in social services and the best foreign policy that this country has ever seen. 
In the very short period of time that I have left I want to acknowledge the tremendous work done on New Zealand’s behalf by the Special Air Services. I was at Whenuapai Airport at 4 o’clock this morning to welcome them back to this country. They are a body of men and women who have provided truly competent courageous and professional service to our country. I am proud as Minister of Defence to represent and to have those people represent New Zealand in the work they have done both to constrain the influence of al-Qaeda and the Taliban remnants in Afghanistan and to provide for the people of that country who have suffered for more than two decades the effects of war and civil war the prospect of a better future—stability development and hopefully prosperity. I refer to not only the SAS but also the men and women who serve in our provincial reconstruction team in Bamian. We ought as New Zealanders to be proud of the work they have done. We ought to be proud of the fact that we acted within the multilateral context under a UN mandate to send our people to that country to provide security for the people of that country and provide security for the international community. 
Finally I pay tribute to those people and what they have done on our behalf and I as Minister of Defence will be working hard to provide them with the resources to continue the good work that they are doing in places around the world. 
JOHN HAYES (National—Wairarapa) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. I am mindful of the Standing Orders which I am looking at. I see that Standing Order 107(2) does not allow tedious repetition. The points being made by the Minister have already been made by the Prime Minister earlier today. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Ann Hartley) 
: The member is quite wrong. That is not a point of order. The member was making a speech. That is not the ruling on repetition. 
CHRIS TREMAIN (National—Napier) 
: 
Ti-hei mauri or-a! 
Whaia te pae tawhiti kia tata 
Whaia te pae tata. 
Whakamaua kia u kia ti-na! 
[ 
Behold the sneeze of life! 
Draw the distant and not so distant horizon closer to you. 
When that is achieved grasp it firmly and permanently 
.]  
This Maori proverb commands us to reach for the horizon for the stars to bring them close and to hold them tight. To aim for mediocrity is to limit the dreams of all New Zealanders. I believe that the current leaders of this nation have set the bar too low. They have aimed at mediocrity and that is what they have achieved. More than anything else I wish to bring to this House the courage for the Government to aim for the stars. 
Tena koutou katoa! Me mihi ki Te Runga Rawa! 
[ 
Greetings to you all! Greetings as well to the Creator above! 
] 
Mr Speaker it is an honour and a privilege to stand here in the Parliament of New Zealand to speak to you in my maiden speech. 
Ki te Whare Paremata e tu nei ki a Papatuanuku kei waho tena korua! 
[ 
To Parliament House standing here and to Mother Earth outside greetings to you two. 
] 
I acknowledge this great House of Parliament. 
Nga mate o tena iwi o tena iwi me mihia me tangihia. He mihi ki a ratou. Ki a koe Rod Donald haere haere haere. 
[ 
I acknowledge the deaths of every iwi and mourn them. My condolences to them. And to you Rod Donald take your leave depart farewell. 
] 
It is important that I acknowledge all those who have gone before me—all those who have led New Zealand and who are no longer with us. They have each played a part in driving this country forward. 
Ki nga kaumatua tena koutou. E nga rangatira tena koutou! 
[ 
Greetings to you the elders and chiefs greetings! 
] 
Mr Speaker I congratulate you on your appointment as Assistant Speaker. I say thank you to Don Brash for his achievement in leading the rejuvenation of the National Party. To Judy Kirk Steven Joyce and all the fantastic team at head office I say thank you for their efforts. It has been a wonderful job. 
Ki nga tangata o tenei Paremata tena koutou katoa! 
[ 
To members of this Parliament greetings to you all! 
] 
To my new colleagues I say I am looking forward to the challenges that lie ahead. They are indeed a talented group of people each of whom has had to work extremely hard to get into this Parliament. I believe that we are a team that can take this country out of mediocrity and to the stars. To Craig Foss I say that we made a great partnership in Hawke’s Bay and I look forward to working together with him. 
Nga tangata o Heretaunga nga whanau nga hoa tena koutou katoa! 
[ 
Greetings also to the people families and friends of Hawke’s Bay greetings to you all! 
] 
At this time I would like to pay tribute to my campaign team—I see Tom Johnson up there in the gallery—and to my electorate team. They had the courage to set a vision that many—if not most I would say—said was impossible. To win the seat of Napier for National for the first time in 50 years was indeed a target somewhere on the horizon if not in the stars. Nevertheless we are now the 21st least marginal seat in the country. Without the team we would never have achieved that feat so I thank them. 
To Michael Cullen one of my constituents who is not in the House today— 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: It is customary and the convention not to refer to the absence of members. All members at one stage or another have to leave the House. 
CHRIS TREMAIN 
: I say to Michael Cullen that I look forward to representing him as his electorate MP. I will be in my Napier office on Mondays and Fridays and I tell him that if he ever feels like making an appointment to discuss Napier issues I will look forward to it. 
I say thank you very much to the people of Napier for having the faith to elect me as their MP and I thank my friends and family for their immense support. I will never let them down. 
Ko Aotearoa te kainga o taku whanau mo e rima nga whakatipuranga. He nui taku aroha mo Aotearoa ki te whenua nga one nga maunga nga roto. New Zealand has been the home of my family for five generations. My forefathers like all other Kiwis were migrants to this country. New Zealand is my home—not England Ireland or some distant land that my ancestors departed from two centuries ago. My family and I have great respect and love for New Zealand and its beaches plains mountains and lakes. I acknowledge the tangata whenua of Aotearoa for I believe that I am tangata whenua—a person of this land. I may not have Maori blood in me but the spirit—wairua—of New Zealand is in me. To me that is the very essence of being tangata whenua. It is not the mere fact of citizenship. If people still pine for their place of birth and the spirit of that country still flows through their veins then they have not crossed the bridge to this country. 
I acknowledge Maori as the first tangata whenua. I acknowledge their beautiful language te reo; their customs nga tikanga; and their treasures nga taonga. Although I am by no means fluent in te reo I am learning Maori because I believe that it is the founding language of this country and that it should never be lost. 
I also acknowledge Te Tiriti o Waitangi as the founding document of this nation. It is the document that allowed people from other nations to become tangata whenua. The treaty conveyed a number of rights on the existing property owners and in many cases those rights were not honoured. Historical grievances arising from that document must be settled fully fairly and finally and we must work to a deadline. We must resource the Waitangi Tribunal properly so that it can meet that deadline. We must move on. I see no work as being more important in this country than that of settling those grievances. 
In saying that I believe that we need to move this nation beyond the Treaty. For the sake of Maori and all other people in this land we must move on. We need to look forward in order to set a pathway for the future. Continuing to look back over our shoulder will do nothing but drive a wedge between our people. As Hone Harawira said before: tama tu tama ora; tama noho tama mate! 
[a 
 lad on his feet is a survivor an idle one is not! 
] 
In the words of the great Ngati Kahungunu proverb it is time to stand and look forward not to sit down and go backwards. 
As a nation we must reach for the horizon—for the stars. I believe that in the past we have set the bar too low. We breed a nation of winners—a nation that expects its athletes to be world champions our artists to be globally recognised and our academics to be equal to if not better than the best in the world. Yet we accept a Government that aims for mediocrity. When our athletes compete at the Olympic Games we expect them to win. We a nation of 4 million people expect to go out against all odds and win gold medals against nations that are 10 50 and 100 times our size. We set targets that other countries would only dream of and on many occasions we deliver. In both our sporting and artistic endeavours we reach for the stars and more often than not we make it. 
I ask then why the Labour-led Government’s stated goal for this nation in terms of GDP per capita—for prosperity per citizen—is limited to getting us into the top half of the OECD countries. How can that be? Here we are a nation of winners whose target is only to get into the top half. It is like Hawke’s Bay’s Caroline and Georgina Evers-Swindell aiming to make the repechage at the next world championships. It is like Greg Murphy aiming to drive to 20th place at Bathurst. Guess what? Although GDP mediocrity is our Government’s target we are not even successful at reaching that. Currently as a nation we sit in the bottom half of the OECD countries—in 21st place out of 30 countries. Our GDP per capita sits at just US$23200 well behind Australia’s at US$30100 and even further behind the United States’ at US$37600. Quite frankly that is not good enough. 
What is worse is that we in this country—and I in particular—hate playing second fiddle to Australia. Yet we sit here and wonder why so many Kiwis—so many tangata whenua—are leaving this nation. In the year ended June 2005 net departures to Australia were 19277. The Labour - New Zealand First solution is an advertising campaign and a flawed student loan scheme. Let me tell members that those initiatives will not work. People do not need an advertising campaign to convince them to come back here—they already love this country. They need better incomes and a better standard of living. Until we are prepared to set a path to take this country to the top of the OECD we will continue to languish in terms of living standards and prosperity. 
We need a culture shift in the Government. We need the courage to reach for the stars. I accept that those types of goals take years—even decades. I accept that they require solutions that will challenge many in this nation. But while we shoot for mediocrity and while our stated goal is to get only into the top half of the OECD can we guess at what we can expect to achieve? As Napier’s MP I will work hard to engender a spirit that gives us the courage to set big goals and lofty targets for our country. Accepting mediocrity for New Zealand is just not an option. 
Ko Heretaunga toku whenua. Ko Otatara toku maunga. Ko Tutaekuri toku awa. No Otatara ahau. 
[ 
Hawke’s Bay is my region. Otatara is my mountain. Tutaekuri is my river. I am from Otatara. 
] 
I am a Hawke’s Bay boy. I grew up under the Otatara hills and beside the Tutaekuri River in the Napier suburb of Taradale. I am proud to call Napier home. It is important that my parliamentary colleagues understand from day one that Hawke’s Bay is undoubtedly the best province in New Zealand. My vision for Hawke’s Bay and for Napier is simple. It is not about mediocrity. It is about reaching for the stars and being the best we can possibly be in terms of lifestyle choices active living health safety and prosperity. Our councils are already doing a fantastic job of developing lifestyle choices and active living. Sport Hawke’s Bay is also well down the path to taking Hawke’s Bay towards being the most active province in New Zealand. However I have three areas of particular concern. Our health statistics are currently below par and we do not have enough police on the streets. We are also losing too many businesses to other parts of the nation and to overseas. 
The closure of Napier Hospital has been the cause of past angst in my community. If we are to improve the health statistics across our community we must put that behind us. We must support our regional hospital to carry out major surgery and to get high-priced capital equipment. However it is important that we stand up to ensure that Napier is not gradually wiped off the public health services map by the abolition or merger of further services. The district health board has made a significant commitment to Napier through the Napier Health Centre on Wellesley Street. Whether the current centre is well placed or good value for money are still debatable points. That aside it is critical that Napier retains its own health facility with an improving level of community health services not a diminishing one. 
Throughout my campaign I stated the urgent need for additional front-line police. Suburbs such as Maraenui need to have full-time community policing not a part-time commitment. I am heartened by the New Zealand First - Labour coalition agreement to put an additional 1000 police into the community and I will be working hard to ensure that Napier gets its proportional fair share. 
Additional to that the region needs to understand that new and existing businesses are the lifeblood of the local economy. We must develop a strategy that relentlessly attracts new businesses to the bay and retains them on a long-term basis. That involves a combination of town planning the development of key infrastructure and a focus on key business clusters. Building the depth of businesses will increase the robustness of our economy and grow the prosperity of our people. We must also fight for our existing industries in particular our apple industry. The access to Australia issue is one that Craig Foss and I will continue to battle for. 
Part of growing Napier and Hawke’s Bay is continued investment in regional infrastructure. I call on my parliamentary colleagues across the floor Michael Cullen and Russell Fairbrother to help to ensure that the long-overdue Meeanee Interchange proceeds immediately and that Government ownership in our regional airport is offered for sale to local authorities so that our community can make decisions about the destiny of that most important asset. Hawke’s Bay is where my heart is. It is my home and I will do all that I can to take it forward. 
Ko Kelvin Tremain toku papa he tangata rongonui he All Black. Ko Pam Tremain toku mama. He tino kaha toku whaea. 
[ 
Kelvin Tremain a famous All Black is my dad. My mum is Pam Tremain a very courageous mother indeed 
.] 
I wish only that my father Kelvin Tremain were able to see me here in Parliament today. He was a great man he tangata rongonui who died too early while still having much to offer. He taught me that every person is equal and deserving of a smile. To my mother Pamela who cannot be here today I say she taught me the importance of values of setting high standards and of reaching for the sky. I love them both. I also acknowledge my mother-in-law and father-in-law Trevor and Jeanette Jurgens who are in the gallery today and thank them for all their support. 
Ko Angela toku wahine ko ia te kaitautoko tino kaha. Ko Samuel ratou ko William ko Millie aku tamariki. Ko Simon raua ko Mark aku taina. He nui taku aroha mo taku whanau. 
[ 
My wife is Angela my strongest supporter. Samuel William and Millie are my children. Simon and Mark are my younger brothers. I have much love for my family. 
] 
To Angela my wife I say she is my greatest supporter and I love her. She has taught me spirituality and that there is much else in the world other than the relentless pursuit of financial gain. To my children Sam Will and Lily to my brothers Simon and Mark and to their partners Hettie and Jan I say I am here for those guys and I want them to know that I love them as well. There is nothing more important in life than family. For me it is more important than the pursuit of lofty goals. It is more important than this House and its members and I am afraid as a nation that we have lost sight of that. 
We expect our sportspeople our artists and our academics to aim for the sky and to be the best they can be. We must expect our Government to set high targets and to have the courage to pursue them on behalf of the people of this country. Mediocrity has no place in New Zealand. 
Aku mihi ki a koutou. Kia tau te rangimarie ki a tatou katoa. Tena koutou tena koutou tena tatou katoa. 
[ 
My appreciation to you collectively. Let peace prevail over us all. Greetings greetings and greetings to us all 
.] 
DARREN HUGHES (Labour—Otaki) 
: 
 I begin by paying my respects to the Governor-General of New Zealand Her Excellency the Hon Dame Silvia Cartwright. I congratulate Madam Speaker the Hon Margaret Wilson on her re-election unanimously to that post the Hon Clem Simich our Deputy Speaker you Mr Assistant Speaker and Assistant Speaker Ann Hartley. I congratulate the new members of Parliament who have joined this House and also the mover and the seconder of the Address in Reply debate Shane Jones and Sue Moroney on their speeches. I record my sympathies to the Green Party on the death of Rod Donald whom I worked with in my role as a Government whip while he was the Green Party musterer. I also extend my congratulations to Prime Minister Helen Clark. As has been stated through this debate Helen Clark has become the only leader in Labour Party history to be elected Prime Minister three times—a very significant achievement particularly I think in an MMP Parliament where she has had to run minority Governments. 
I thank the Otaki electorate for once again choosing me as its local representative. 
Rodney Hide 
: Only just! 
DARREN HUGHES 
: Yes but they still chose me. As the National Party is finding out at the moment to its enormous discomfort a win is a win and I am pleased that the people of the Otaki electorate have sent me here for one more term. I know that that will continue for many years because they appreciate hard work. It is a privilege to represent the local community of Horowhenua and Kapiti. I give it everything that I have and I am looking forward to another term in the seat. 
 I have bad news for the National Party in that regard. [ 
Interruption 
] I hear Mr John Key calling out. It is amazing the confidence one gets from receiving 5 percent in an opinion poll after an election! It is extraordinary stuff. It is fantastic. It is a kind of “kiss of death” to get only 5 percent to just cross the threshold in an opinion poll taken after an election when it does not count because it means that everybody else who sits around knows that in order to get to that job they will have to knife John Key. So John Key might have got five people out of 1000 around the country to say he is all right but in actual fact all his caucus— 
Rodney Hide 
: Five out of a hundred. 
DARREN HUGHES 
: In fairness five out of a hundred but I tell him that he will not get any support from the 48 who sit on the National side of the House. 
The Speech from the Throne set out the Government’s priorities. Quite clearly they are about maintaining a strong economy which over the last 6 years has delivered to this country record numbers of people in work the creation of over a quarter of a million new jobs real shifts in the minimum wage which have delivered gains to working people throughout the community—all of which have been opposed by National at every step of the way—and a commitment in this term to try to raise productivity and skills training in order to keep the economy growing so we can get economic growth and gains for people right across the community. In doing that we are trying to make sure that people in the cities and in the regions— 
Dr Don Brash 
: It’s 6 years too late. 
DARREN HUGHES 
: I am being interjected on by Don Brash. What is he saying? Is he talking about his age? [ 
Interruption 
] I know the member had a birthday recently but if he is going to interject he ought to make it pithy and to the point. I will give him another go. 
Dr Don Brash 
: Labour squandered 5 years of good export prices. 
DARREN HUGHES 
: We have not squandered a thing. We have had 6 years of a growing economy and just last week unemployment fell not only to the lowest level in the world once again but to the lowest level on record in New Zealand—so only 3.4 percent of the workforce is now unemployed. We have more jobs and more working-age people off benefits yet can we guess what that member who believes in a natural rate of unemployment comes in here and criticises the Labour Government for? He criticises us for creating jobs and for putting more mums and dads into work. I would have thought the temporary leader of the National Party would support a stable labour market so he could keep the job he has right now instead of criticising us. 
I turn to another topic in the Speech from the Throne which I think Dr Brash will be interested in: health care particularly for older New Zealanders. The Government is proposing more operations for cataracts and in the area of orthopaedic surgery such as hip and knee replacements because those are areas in elective surgery where clearly we have to improve what we are able to do for ordinary New Zealanders in the public health system. I know that John Key is a strong supporter of the public health system and when my electorate gets those gains from the MidCentral District Health Board and the Capital and Coast District Health Board I know they will thank the Labour Government for it. Those people knew when we won the party vote in that seat that a tax cut would mean reduced health services. So they were keen to make sure we were able to boost our hospitals. I see the member for East Coast shaking her head. I ask her how many cataract operations she does not want out of the Crown revenue mentioned in the Speech from the Throne. 
Anne Tolley 
: A lot more than you. 
DARREN HUGHES 
: So we have to spend more and tax less. That is voodoo economics. 
In the area of education we have brought in a very successful student loan policy. National has used exactly the same arguments in opposing the student loan policy as it used 6 years ago and it was wrong about that as well. National opposed the policy that when one is studying one should not pay interest. So National Party members—a very hard-working team working into the wee hours of the afternoon—got their research unit to find the exact  
Hansard 
 back in 2000 and they trotted in here last week to oppose interest-free student loans for New Zealand - based graduates and students. I hope they continue to oppose that policy. I hope they continue to go all around New Zealand saying they are against it because the previous speaker complained about Kiwis leaving New Zealand. A lot of young people go overseas to earn money to earn pounds in Britain to pay off their student loans and the National Party of course says that is a crying shame. But then the National members came into Parliament and voted against a policy on student loans. I just hope they keep on doing that. 
The other thing on our pledge card of course was around the apprenticeship scheme. We are pledging 5000 more apprentices this term. All those policies have been opposed by National which voted against the Modern Apprenticeships legislation. 
John Key 
: They did not. 
DARREN HUGHES 
: That comes as a bit of a surprise to the finance spokesman because he was not in Parliament then. The National members actually went out into the Noes lobby against that legislation. It was very good legislation that is lifting the skills training for young people and giving them a chance in New Zealand. It was opposed by the Brash-led National Party. 
Then in terms of police numbers we have 1000 extra police by way of our agreement on supply and confidence with New Zealand First. We have a rates rebate coming through for those on low incomes—particularly pensioners—to help them pay their bills. We are going to move on the over-80s drivers’ regime which has been very unfair to constituents of mine and I am very keen to see that test removed and replaced with a much fairer regime as soon as we are able. And of course I mentioned that we have a big focus on jobs in order to make sure that we keep on growing a strong economy because what other point is there for a Labour Government than to make sure there are jobs and well-paying jobs for working people? To that extent we are going to try to move the minimum wage to $12 by the end of this term. That also will be opposed by the National Party and I hope that it will make an effort on that. 
On the transport front the Government is trying very hard to address the infrastructure issues that our country faces. Throughout the 1990s of course there was very little infrastructure investment made and this Government has come in and tried to invest more into that area. I am very hopeful that we will get a much-improved access from the Kapiti coast into Wellington. I am very keen that passenger transport is included as part of that package to make sure that we can through electrification and more regular services ensure that public transport is a real option as well as major roading improvements. I personally would like to see Transmission Gully built but our region has to work together to make sure we can have that. 
We have an invitation from three National Party list MPs in the Wellington region by way of page 3 of the  
Dominion Post 
—that is how they contacted us—to ask us to join their crusade. Well of course we are going to keep on working with what we are already doing to get gains for the Wellington region in transport and will not listen to those political opportunists. Mr Blumsky who was the Mayor of Wellington at one stage—what more powerful position could he have held than Mayor of Wellington—opposed Transmission Gully. He did not say one thing in favour of Transmission Gully as Mayor of Wellington and he comes in as a back-bench Opposition list MP and says “Please join my group.” Mr Guy joined the campaign for Transmission Gully about 4 weeks before the election so bold was his stance on the issue. Of course Chris Finlayson who kind of had a regal coronation campaign in Mana where he wandered around saying; “Hello I’m from the Tory party; I’ll be in Parliament.” has decided that despite saying nothing during the election at all basically he is now in favour of Transmission Gully. I think we will get on with it. 
The other point I want to make about that party over there on the Opposition benches is that it went through the election campaigning as a sort of early 19th century party. It has been extraordinary to listen to the National Party MPs give maiden speeches full of te reo Maori which I think is a fantastic use of that language in the House. But of course not one of them went around their electorates during the campaign talking like that. They talked about the “mainstream” and said that the Labour Party supporters were not part of that. Tau Henare’s cloth cap from his union days must be absolutely curling in the wardrobe after Tau Henare listened to those National Party MPs talk about diversity opportunity and coming together in inclusion when they ran a campaign as divided as one could get. 
But I will tell the National Party members this. For all their boasting and cockiness in this Parliament in the last 2 weeks they have missed one point: all the election did was to reorganise the Opposition. We saw the $7 billion tax bribe and we saw them playing the race card and getting their cult members from the Exclusive Brethren Church to run the campaign at half-time for them. All it did for the National Party was to reorganise the Opposition. It did nothing to take away votes from Labour. The election was a total disaster for National members. They first realised it when they came into the House for the swearing-in. They had been sitting in their caucus room congratulating one another on the size of the new caucus but they walked in here on the first day and suddenly realised: “Hey there’s still more of them than us and look where we are sitting—in the Opposition where we belong and looking at the third term Helen Clark led-Labour Party. That has made that man someone who is soon to join the pension queue. 
CHRIS AUCHINVOLE (National) 
: 
 I will begin by offering my congratulations through you Mr Assistant Speaker if I may to Madam Speaker on her election and on your being elected and the election of the Deputy Speaker and the other Assistant Speaker. For my part I shall endeavour to be the least of your worries. I will ensure that my Celtic capacity for conflict and criticism comes to the fore only in the service of others in search of the truth in defence of good government and to further the principles priorities and practices of the National Party that I am proud to be part of. 
I for one harbour no illusions about the regard in which politicians collectively are held by the wider community—to profess altruistic motives and the desire to make the country a better place is to invite the response “Yeah right!” from the great bulk of the population. Yet that is actually why I stood for Parliament—to help create a better place. I am sure it is the same for the great majority of members. Mind you every now and again one gets a lift when one least expects it. Ten days ago I was down at the Christchurch A and P show helping to meet and greet the crowds of people who were flocking to the National Party marquee. The pressure of work was constant but luckily we had drafted in a good number of MPs so we were able to take an occasional break. Forgetting I was wearing a huge National Party blue rosette I strolled into the cattle exhibit shed only to hear a small boy ask his mum: “Gosh what did he get that prize for?”. I assured him it was for being a National Party politician. 
My political interests as a National list MP are particularly focused on the West Coast and Tasman regions. A short biographical note is appropriate here. The name requires some explanation. Auchinvole is a three-syllable Scottish name of Gaelic origin from Kilsythe between Glasgow and Edinburgh. I note the Standing Orders specify only English and Maori as permitted languages in the House so unlike my friend Maori Party co-leader Pita Sharples I am not able to speak to members in the language of my ancestors which would be Gaelic or Lallans so I willna be daen that the noo the nacht. I have lost my strong Scottish accent but not the Scottish characteristics of thrift. When I was advised by my parliamentary secretary—bless her who also happens to be Scottish—that the Backbencher Pub and Cafe had kindly sent a bottle of beer as a welcoming gift my immediate response was: “That’s nice. If you could put it in the fridge we’ll keep it for when we have a crowd in.” I will apply the same qualities to examining Government expenditure as the chance occurs. 
If my English pronunciation suggests to some of you lairds castles and a silver spoon in life you could not be wronger. My father was an RAF squadron leader who died soon after the close of the Second World War essentially as a consequence of his participation in it. My mother found herself bringing up five children under 13 in post-war Glasgow. I have a sharp memory of being brought up on a benefit. It is not a nice state and it is not to my mind for the State to suggest benefits are nice; life-providing and essential yes. I will always remember my first Saturday morning job that I got paid for—paid for something I did. Like many Scots at the time we moved to England when I was about 10 and our mother unfortunately contracted tuberculosis which isolated her in a hospital for 3 years. We became wards of the State and the RAF Benevolent Fund very kindly helped out and gave me the same sort of chance that Shane Jones mentioned he had—paying for me to go to a boarding school. After my mother had returned to good health the RAF fund continued to pay the school fees to allow me to complete my education at the school. I went from there into the army and was selected for Sandhurst where we wore hat badges that carried the motto “Serve to Lead”. 
On leaving that renowned moulder of men I moved to New Zealand to reunite with two of my brothers who had emigrated to this country and we went contract milking in Whangarei. I found New Zealand refreshingly egalitarian. My brothers purchased a farm in Hokianga and I worked at Northland College in Kaikohe as assistant farm manager. Kaikohe was populated predominantly by Maori people and I was provided with a total introduction into life and local society in Tai Tokerau. It was moving recently to receive tributes and congratulations from people in Kaikohe and Hokianga even though I have not lived there for 30 years. I also met my wife in Kaikohe where she was completing country service as a teacher from the West Coast of the South Island. 
Once I was married an agricultural career path led me into marketing with the Dairy Board in Christchurch Wellington and Auckland respectively. I had responsibility for the South Pacific operation regularly visiting South Pacific countries. I revelled in the chance to export New Zealand primary products and the opportunity to work with so many people of different ethnic origins. In 1992 I started into primary product exporting on my own mostly fish fruit and timber products. When our two children completed their education Elspeth and I asked permission to leave home. We moved down to Moana at Lake Brunner on the West Coast 9 years ago an emigration not unrelated to the fact that my wife is a Coaster who wished to complete her teaching career where it had begun—equipping Coast children with education. 
 Living and settling on the Coast took me right back to egalitarian Glasgow. There is a humour and a neighbourliness that is special to the region; an inclusiveness that sees one joining the fire brigade working on community associations taking an active part in church life and enjoying a good yarn with one’s neighbours. In my mind it is as close as one can get to a classless society and it is a great place to live. I stood as a trustee for the West Coast Development Trust after the Forest Accord was broken and was given the second-highest vote in our region. I had concerns that the trust was an imposed solution and needed Coast ownership not someone somewhere else telling us what was best for us. Maori members of this House will be aware of that discomforting and emasculating sentiment—but more of that later. Over the same period Ngai Tahu have been demonstrating their ability to become an economic force in their own right. Although the initial granting of funds in both cases was the kicker it was the will and the ability to take it up and run with it that has been the significant event. 
Benjamin Disraeli known as the father of conservatism aptly said: “The greatest good you can do for another is not just share your riches but reveal to them their own.” That is why I guess I embrace the National Party philosophy enunciated by Don Brash in the campaign. It works. That is why I believe in less government and find the move towards more regulation and more proposals for distribution of wealth by stealth stifling and counter-productive to a region’s well-being. I sometimes wonder whether those whose careers have essentially—and I hasten to add quite properly—involved the distribution of wealth rather than its creation tend to take the latter process for granted. I am not an economist and I do not pretend to be. I have no desire to be known as a smart alec or a smart anything else but I unashamedly support the National Party philosophies and policies espoused and enunciated by John Key and I look forward to continuing to do so. To grab tax at the front end especially when one considers the carbon tax proposal is not just revenue gathering it is plunder. No Government can act as a robber baron yet expect productive sectors to develop. 
If we look at the West Coast we see that the drivers are farming mining and tourism. I note that Landcorp has commenced selling some of the Coast’s Government-owned farms. It should sell more of them. The Government should also accelerate replacing the strategic Arahura Road-Rail Bridge. That would help farming a lot if only to ease the anxiety currently surrounding that bridge. Modern mining is taking the Coast into a new era. Tourism is an industry that is going to grow. The local infrastructure though will not cope if left as it is particularly with the added impetus of the Rugby World Cup. Eighty-seven percent of the region is enclosed in the Department of Conservation estate. We need more than a draft plan of conservation and we need the Act to allow more discretion to the Minister in managing the estate. 
In Tasman the drivers are fruit fishing forestry and Fonterra. With fruit apple trees are being lifted out of the ground at the same time as orchardists are gathering in Wellington to seek Government action on access to the Australian market. Fishing boats are tied up—a combination of fuel costs exchange rates and quota are limiting the profitable opportunities. In forestry poles and posts are moving OK because of the growth in vineyards but logs and timber sales are suffering from unrestricted cheap imported timbers. Fonterra with the unfortunate fire at Takaka has reduced its staff from 90 to somewhere around 30. Personal and business tax reductions in Tasman would be a boost to the local economy. 
So what as a National list MP am I going to do for West Coast - Tasman? I intend to concentrate on the associate roles I have been given of energy (mining) and tourism and on working as a member of the National caucus primary production committee. As a start I will later be seeking leave to table a member’s bill—the Conservation (Net Gain) Amendment Bill in the name of Chris Auchinvole will give the Minister and local conservation boards more flexibility in disposing of stewardship land in exchange for land of greater conservation value. It will be put in the ballot on 8 December. 
I wish to pay tribute to all those who assisted me during the election campaign: electorate chair Margaret Moir who won the seat for National in 1990 and who is present in the House today plus key strategists and mentors Barry and Jane. I pay tribute to those who worked so tirelessly in the branches in Hokitika Greymouth Westport Motueka and Takaka particularly Bill and Violet Dan and Diane Bryan and Margaret Hilda and Ivan Colin Mike Elizabeth and Jack and—bless her—my wife Elspeth. I am grateful for the help and encouragement from Nick Smith and team. To Neil Walker from Hawera I say thanks. From the other side of the hill help literally came to the party and I am indebted to deputy leader Gerry Brownlee for leading the Blackball debate as the campaign opener and to all who came over to help. To Roger Bridge the regional chair to his regional council to the list committee to the team at HQ and to Judy Kirk party president I say: awesome gosh thanks next time! 
For me the election was a continuum of the campaign which has not stopped. I read a very perceptive article in a recent  
North and South 
 magazine that I thought gave a carefully crafted analysis of the results. “A majority is always better than the best repartee” as Disraeli said but I think of the apt quote from the epitaph of Rob Roy McGregor that summarises a thousand years of Scottish history—best described as a thousand-year brawl—“Let them tak’ who have the pow’r and let them keep it who can.” I think it is yet to be tested as to who holds the power and whether it will be kept. The Duke of Wellington said after Waterloo: “ Next to a battle lost the greatest misery is a battle won.” I do not think that National is in a heavy loss situation. National has doubled its troops in the House and similarly in electorates with staff and offices. 
Policies continue to find increasing institutional and public support. It is great to be part of a skilled fresh and vibrant parliamentary team with enough multi-level leadership transition potential for the next two decades. National is equipped to serve the country as never before and I am deeply grateful for the chance to be part of it. Every day National grows stronger and it is reflected in our voices minds and spirits every morning. Every day the other side grows weaker and we see it hear it and sense it every morning. It was Churchill who said to practise magnanimity in victory and defiance in defeat. National is practising magnanimity and the other side is being defiant. 
The present Government avoided defeat at the hustings. There are others who benefited from the spoils of war and others still who it could be said. engaged in looting. That is a capital offence in battle and could still prove to be so in politics. Others stood true to their colours were ignored in the spoils completely and must be starting to wonder what they fought so hard for. For me and it is a personal view the troops who had a notable victory were a small unit that arose from the ashes of previous disappointment and grief with the Labour Government who came forward with hope as their main argument and who had to go to battle in a taxi. 
I wish to salute the address given by Pita Sharples and his call for conciliation and a sharing of cultural values. I heard a speech from the heart when I listened to him but then Scots and Maoris both believe in oral tradition. It was as if he were singing a song from previous generations echoing through the centuries. It caused an echo in my Celtic heart too for Scottish crofters also lost their lands in the Highland clearances. The Irish had to cope with famine. The Scots lost their language and their right to independence. Thank God we could come here but—hello—it all happened again. Closer to home and to modern times the people of the West Coast have had to tolerate decades of an imposed stereotype of welfare dependency unemployment and being undervalued as a region and as a people. Continued welfare did not change that any more than continued welfare will change the situation for Maori. Attitude determination opportunity commodity prices improved productivity new people moving in and improved education have changed that on the Coast. To me the Maori renaissance is at a fascinating stage and is full of complex choices for Maori people. How will they know when it has worked for young Maori? May I suggest it will be in the same way it worked in Scotland—which was when the young Scots believed they had succeeded because they were Scottish not in spite of it. I welcome the day when that happens here. 
In conclusion I say that people—all people all ethnicities—have to be included as any part of any solution and not as the problem. I answer the song of Sharples with a prayer of my own a Presbyterian prayer. My prayer is that those of us with like minds in this House can pick up the tattered banner of one nation with shared cultural values—pick it up with our hands whatever age gender and ethnicity each of our human bodies glories in. And having picked it up we can hold up the banner with our minds—arguing bickering and debating as we do so until we start agreeing. If we can do that then the banner can be restitched restored and made resplendent by our spirits. If we can do that the banner of one nation can be unfurled by the warm breath of our various gods sent to caress our souls—and to God be the glory for aye and for aye e faa vau e faa vau lava atua uata ake ake for ever and ever amene. 
Hon WINNIE LABAN (Minister for the Community and Voluntary Sector) 
:  
Kia ora talofa lava and warm Pacific greetings. I offer my best wishes to our Governor-General and my congratulations to Madam Speaker to the Deputy Speaker to you Mr Assistant Speaker and to the other Assistant Speaker on your appointments and to all who have the privilege of serving New Zealand in this House. I thank the Mana electorate for electing me as its member of Parliament and I also thank New Zealand for ensuring that we continue to have a Labour-led Government. 
I am very excited about my ministerial portfolios because they link the social and economic development of New Zealand. As Minister for the Community and Voluntary Sector and Associate Minister for Economic Development I have a role in strengthening the roles of the Government and the community in building social capital. As Associate Minister for Social Development and Employment I have a particular role in supporting the New Zealand Pacific Business Council and similar organisations to build financial capital by encouraging two-way trade between New Zealand and the Pacific. As Associate Minister of Pacific Island Affairs I have a role in strengthening opportunities for Pacific people to participate in the future of New Zealand. Each of my portfolios contributes to the social and economic development of New Zealand. One of my goals as the Minister for the Community and Voluntary Sector is to see that a higher priority is given to the contribution made by the community and voluntary sector to the quality of life for all New Zealanders. This Government has made economic development a priority and in the Speech from the Throne and the contributions from the Prime Minister the Minister of Finance and the Minister for Economic Development the details of how we plan to build the economy have been set out. 
I will talk a little about how we strengthen social capital and the role of civil society in the development of our nation. The community and voluntary sector is a significant driver of social development. It is important because it builds social capital. The term “civil society” is often used to describe the community and voluntary sector. What do we mean by civil society? Civil society can be defined as a social sphere of formal and informal voluntary associations formed to protect and promote the interests of society. Civil society is separate from and independent of the State and the market. Civil society includes service clubs sporting clubs non-governmental organisations neighbourhood groups church and faith-based groups and traditional and cultural communities. New Zealand has a rich tradition of civil society organisations. The Maori Women’s Welfare League Pasifika the Pacific Women’s Organisation the Country Women’s Institutes the Women’s Refuge collective and Rape Crisis centres have all made very important contributions to the development of the women of our nation. 
Allan Wolfe a Canadian social scientist captures the diverse nature of civil society contrasting it with the abstract and personal institutions of the State and the market. Civil society’s concern is with the social rather than the economic and political. Civil society points towards families neighbourhoods voluntary organisations unions and spontaneous grassroots movements. All of those units of social organisations are defined by the fact that they are surrounded by even bigger and more abstract institutions. The crucial characteristic of civil society is that it is manageable available to ordinary people and part of everyday life. To talk of civil society is to reverse the priorities of the political economy. It is to assert that human beings and their desires can alter otherwise determinant structures. 
We look to business and the market to invest and develop financial capital and the State has a role in regulating the economy. But social capital is built up within civil society—within our communities—where voluntary effort freely given enhances our quality of life and makes our communities our towns and our cities better places for us to live. The State in the form of Government agencies dedicated to the community and voluntary sector has an important role to play. Civil society sits alongside the State—the Government—and the market—the business community—as the three main building blocks of a society and a nation. 
In her contribution to the debate the Prime Minister said that we dedicate ourselves to building a strong and confident nation proud of the cohesion in our society proud of our achievers in every field proud of our unique culture heritage and natural environment and proud of the role our nation plays in world affairs. The State the market and civil society need in my view to work closely together respecting each other’s distinct roles. A good example of how the State the market and civil society can work well together was seen when the New Zealand Rugby Union won the hosting rights for the Rugby World Cup. A sporting association—the New Zealand Rugby Union—with solid business links with sponsors and support from the Government in the form of the Prime Minister carried the day. We have learnt in the past that the market by itself does not build a good society and the State cannot either. We need the State the market and civil society working well together in order to build the economic and social development of our nation and to build a strong inclusive nation. 
Helen Clark said last week that we see it as our historic duty to bring New Zealanders together not to drive them apart and split our society. We see it as our historic duty to ensure that every New Zealander has a fair go opportunity and security and that as our country grows and develops every one of us is able to share the fruits of that progress. We dedicate ourselves in this third term of Government to carrying on our work to strengthening and transforming the economy to raise living standards and to provide quality public services. 
I would like now to talk about the contribution of volunteers towards building social capital. On Saturday I spoke with the New Zealand network of regional volunteer centres a great group of hard workers. Volunteering is an important and essential element of civil society. Our communities depend and rely on the efforts of our volunteers. The impact is quite simply huge. But unfortunately volunteers do not receive the recognition they deserve. I want to change that. I believe my role is to raise the bar and to promote volunteering as part of our Kiwi way of life. I will be seeking from my officials innovative ways in which we can support the voluntary sector. Trends in volunteering show that a higher proportion of females than males aged 15 and over engage in some form of voluntary work. From my long history of working in the community and voluntary sector that has certainly been my experience. 
So what is the Government doing so far? The Government policy on volunteering released in December 2002 recognised that volunteers make a vital contribution to social development the economy and the environment. The outcome sought from the policy is a society with a high level of volunteering where the many contributions people make to the common good through volunteering and fulfilment of cultural obligations are actively supported and valued. Many of New Zealand’s essential emergency services including civil defence fire and ambulance conservation and teaching English as a second language contribute in this way. Last year the Minister for Sport and Recreation recognised volunteers as the unsung heroes and lifeblood of sport and he announced funding of $6.5 million to support their work over the next 4 years. I add that with the voluntary sector we have nine established regional volunteer centres and we are very proud of their work. We are committed to supporting them in terms of networking building their information technology capacity and training. 
 On Sunday evening as the MP for Mana I attended the annual awards night of the Trust Porirua City Brass Band. This band makes a great contribution to the life of Porirua City. It turns out on Anzac Day and on other civic occasions. It also supported Michael Campbell on his return home after his historic US Open win. Trust Porirua City Brass is filled with amateurs who play like professionals. Through their voluntary effort they make a great contribution to the quality of life of our city. 
As Minister I will continue to support this sector and give them the support they need to build the social capital of our strong inclusive nation. 
SIMON POWER (National—Rangitikei) 
: 
 It is a great pleasure to participate in the Address in Reply debate although as the junior Government whip pointed out it feels like we have had three or four debates on different matters prior to coming to this particular debate. I also remind the junior Government whip that today is of course 42 years since the assassination of John F Kennedy and that is worth thinking about as we plunge our way into this particular debate. 
I congratulate Madam Speaker Margaret Wilson on her re-election as Speaker. In my time working with her as the senior Opposition whip I found her to have a very keen sense of humour and I warmly welcome her back to the Speaker’s Chair. I also congratulate my good friend Clem Simich on obtaining the role of Deputy Speaker. I think the way that he conducts proceedings in the House is tantamount to the theory that the market will decide. He is quite able to let things ebb and flow and to play the advantage as do you Mr Assistant Speaker with your soccer umpiring expertise. As I said when your nomination was put before the House you are well regarded by all members of the House and your knowledge of the Standing Orders is well recognised on all sides of the House. So I congratulate you on your reappointment. I also congratulate Ann Hartley on her reappointment. 
I—strangely—acknowledge the person who spoke before me Winnie Laban and also Clayton Cosgrove two of the 1999 intake of members of Parliament who have made it to Cabinet. Although I would prefer to be on that side of the House myself I sincerely congratulate them and wish them well. We will do our best to make sure their lives are as difficult as possible but before that starts I wish them well in that area. 
I am fortunate to have been given the job of Opposition spokesperson on law and order which is a job that I am thoroughly enjoying and I am finding the subject matter shall we say plentiful. In many ways I feel sorry for the new Minister of Police Annette King because she has been tasked with the job of picking up a shattered and demoralised police force. She has inherited a police force in which as surveys show the public’s confidence has slid over recent weeks and months—thanks to the fine work done in this area by my predecessor the Hon Tony Ryall. 
Annette King in her first public statement as Minister of Police said that she would restore the public’s confidence in the police. Well what have we seen in the time that Annette King has been Minister of Police? We have seen 111 response times getting worse—even worse than they were under George Hawkins during his shambolic reign as Minister of Police. I can say only that on the occasions I have watched Mr Hawkins sit in his back-bench seat I noticed that he looked relieved. He looks as though he has been put out of his misery and can just sit quietly and enjoy himself. Annette King has a tough job and she has failed on the first count because the 111 system and the response times under the 111 system have actually become worse. 
We see in the media today that multiple numbers of police are being offered one job all at the same time and we see an extraordinary situation where the remedies available to those police officers who were offered that job will no doubt now be exercised in full which will cause further concern for the Commissioner of Police and no doubt his replacement. 
We also see by way of written questions in recent weeks that 30 percent of police high-speed pursuits of offenders are abandoned. So 30 percent of those offenders who are literally running—or driving—from the police are getting away. If those car chases are being abandoned for safety reasons that is fair enough but I have asked Annette King to assure Parliament and the public of New Zealand that those people are apprehended at a later date and that they are not just getting away from those high-speed pursuits and any other offences or convictions that may be brought against them. 
The other area in this job that I am fortunate to have an interest in is that of corrections. I have to say that Damien O’Connor has his work cut out for him. This is a shambles of a department. In recent weeks we have heard a number of stories of prisoners sleeping in and moving around in vans between court cells and prison and heading off to rugby clubrooms to shower and exercise. We are seeing an environment where the department is throwing up its hands in the briefing to incoming Ministers and saying: “It’s all too hard for us.” I say to the Minister that our strategic options are completely limited because of the number of prisoners who are coming through the system. It is easy to talk tough about tightening the Sentencing Act the Parole Act and the Corrections Act but at the other end of the scale that is simply going to mean there will be more prisoners in custody. 
The Government has to do better than to say that it has planned until 2008 and that there will be enough beds until then. The big problem is not what happens between now and 2008 it is the post-2008 period that is the real problem—although if one believes some of the Ministry of Justice projections about prisoner numbers there is a short-term problem particularly when prisoners are held in vans and showering in rugby clubrooms. 
Rodney Hide 
: What’s the plan then? 
SIMON POWER 
: Mr Hide rightly asks the question that we tried to put to Mr O’Connor today in question time—what happens then? 
Rodney Hide 
: What’s the plan? 
SIMON POWER 
: It is funny that Mr Hide should ask that because Mr O’Connor issued a statement today saying that perhaps home detention could mop up some of that. That will not work when the Government and Ministers from the Government talk tough about crime and penalties put people in prison and then say: “Oh perhaps home detention could mop up some of that problem.” 
It could be worse. Prisoners could be sent to Ngawha prison where in the middle of the night they could just leave their cells help themselves to tea and coffee in the guards’ staffroom and wander in and out of the control room of the prison. They would obviously want to avoid the red button that opens the gates because why would they want to leave if they could get up in the middle of the night and wander around and have tea and coffee in the staffroom? Why would they want to press the red button and head back to a life where maybe they would have to pay for tea and coffee? In Ngawha prison prisoners can just get up in the middle of the night and wander around to their heart’s content. What did Damien O’Connor do when this scandal was revealed? He moved quickly and ordered a report into it which said that the locks on the window and the way they operated were a minor technical hitch. Mr Cosgrove shakes his head and he would be right to do that because a minor technical hitch does not involve a new prison where prisoners can get up in the middle of the night climb out of their windows pop off for cups of tea and coffee in the guards’ staffroom wander in and out of the control room and could press the red button to make themselves free. But then they would think: “Why would I go? This is too good. I’ll stay here. This is the way forward.” I worry about that and I say to Mr O’Connor that we will watch those reports to see where we go. 
I congratulate the new National MPs who have come to the House after this election. They are a fantastic group of people who make the Labour back bench look tired and old. At the risk of offending any of the new MPs I want to congratulate just two new members of Parliament in particular Chester Borrows and Nathan Guy who are my neighbours in the lower North Island. Until only a very short time ago our area was a complete sea of red. I was completely surrounded by red. We are lucky to have people in the Wellington area of the calibre of Chris Finlayson who will make a fantastic contribution to this House. I have no doubt about that at all. But I particularly want to congratulate Nathan Guy and Chester Borrows and I am sure they will make an excellent contribution. I also want to congratulate Don Brash on the fantastic job he did during the campaign in lifting National’s party vote from 21 percent to 39 percent. That was an extraordinary feat for a man who has been in politics for less than 3 years and he deserves to be congratulated on it. Lastly I want to thank the people of Rangitikei for the faith that they have shown in me by electing me for a third term to be their member of Parliament. Electorate needs should always come first for members of Parliament and everyone would do well to remember that. 
We are going to be taking the fight to the Clark-Peters Government over the course of the next short while—and it will be a short while. I look forward to taking the debate to the responsible Ministers in the areas of law and order police corrections and courts and also to participating in a caucus that is strongly led by Don Brash and Gerry Brownlee in what will prove to be a very short time in Government for this tired old Labour Party. 
Hon MARK GOSCHE (Labour—Maungakiekie) 
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 It is a pleasure to be speaking in this debate. I begin by congratulating the re-elected Speaker the Hon Margaret Wilson. I am also very pleased to congratulate Clem Simich—I think all members of this House enjoy a good relationship with him as Deputy Speaker—and of course yourself Mr Assistant Speaker and Assistant Speaker Ann Hartley. I welcome all new members into this House. 
This is my 10th year in the place and I have been here under MMP that entire time. I think we probably see some comings and goings that previous first-past-the-post Parliaments did not witness. I think that is healthy because it gives a new flavour and a new set of ideas to each Parliament as it forms. 
It has been interesting to listen to the maiden speeches. I particularly want to congratulate my colleagues Shane Jones Maryan Street Darien Fenton and Sue Moroney—people I have worked with for many many years in various guises. They all bring different qualities to this House and I know they are going to make a wonderful contribution to this Government. It has also been interesting to listen to members on the Opposition benches who are making their maiden speeches. It is good to be able to hear their perspectives. Sometimes we agree and sometimes we do not. 
I also want to congratulate the Prime Minister the Rt Hon Helen Clark. I am sure most people want to congratulate her on the fact that she has been returned as Prime Minister for the third time. Up there with that achievement is the return of the Rugby World Cup to New Zealand and I think it will be neck and neck as to which the New Zealand public think is the most important at the moment. It is the political achievement that I want to honour here today. 
I also want to thank the electors of the Maungakiekie electorate which I am very proud to represent here for my third term. I started as a list MP and I am very honoured to be returned again as the member of Parliament for the Maungakiekie electorate. It is a wonderful electorate to represent. I was at a school prize-giving in Otahuhu not so long ago not long after some fairly negative publicity about our area of South Auckland—I am quite happy to call it South Auckland because that is where I was born that is what I have always called it and that is what I recognise it as. It is a great place to live and an excellent place to represent and I sometimes wish that I could pick up the local newspaper or some of the national media and read about the many positives about my community such as I witnessed at that prize-giving. 
I was very proud to hear that Timothy Funaki Otahuhu College’s first Youth MP who represented the people of Maungakiekie in this House in the first Youth Parliament some years ago was sworn in as a doctor last week and took his Hippocratic oath. It gives me great pleasure to mention that because he is just one of the young people of South Auckland who are making their contribution to our society. Of Tongan and Maori descent his family are real achievers in our community but they are people who work for our community in many many ways that go unnoticed by the media. The South Auckland community actually contributes enormously to this country. If members look at New Zealand sports teams whatever code they might be—on the international stage or at regional or local level—and at the people in those teams they will find a significant number of South Aucklanders in their midst. 
 Our music industry is something that this Government has actually acknowledged and supported in a way that no other Government has and the music industry has been led in many ways by the young people of South Auckland. I am enormously proud of them. They are selling records CDs whatever not only in this country at record levels but on the international scene. Many of those people have brown faces and I am very proud to say that our Pacific and Maori musicians and artists are contributing as they did to our sports teams over the weekend. They do that in our music in our universities in our businesses and in our communities. I just want to acknowledge that because I was struck by the great annoyance of the principal of Otahuhu College and of many whom I spoke to at that prize-giving about the lack of attention to the positives in our community. I want to place that on the record of the House. 
I am very pleased also to acknowledge Penrose High School. We have wonderful schools throughout New Zealand. They should be celebrated. They provide some of the best education in the world that we could get for our children. Penrose High School has $15 million to rebuild a school that badly needs its infrastructure rebuilt to meet the challenges of the Auckland isthmus as the population grows. They celebrated their 50th jubilee not so long ago and I read a very good history of the school and the wonderful people who have come out of that school and contributed to New Zealand society. Let us celebrate those things. We acknowledge there are troubles at times but we want to celebrate some of the wonderful things. I am pleased to be able do that in the House today. 
Some very important issues were outlined in the Speech from the Throne. Aged care is one issue that all parties in the House have said needs to be addressed in many many ways such as funding the way we build up the quality of the workforce through training and improving the wages of the people who do that work. We are all going to get old. We are all possibly going to need more services from the Government and the aged-care sector has to be supported. I am very pleased that that has been addressed in the Speech from the Throne by the Governor-General. 
I also want to say let us not forget the disability sector. I come here today with a great deal of emotion about this for obvious reasons with the situation that I have personally found myself in these last 3½ years. For some time now I have been advocating these matters to my colleagues and I am very pleased that the Hon Pete Hodgson has got the job of Minister of Health because he is grappling now with the issues of aged-care funding and disability funding. He is getting on with a job that has badly needed to be done. 
I want to speak for some of those families that are never recognised; the ones who look after their disabled relatives their elderly in their homes and who are badly under-resourced. They have been badly under-resourced by Government after Government so this is not a political criticism of anybody in particular. It is something we have to address as a nation. We have to acknowledge that some of these carers have to give up their jobs give up their houses give up their future careers and a whole lot else to stay home and look after a relative who has suddenly fallen ill. Our accident compensation scheme is the best in the world but in terms of disability support we have a very long way to go to catch up. I attended a rehabilitation conference in Auckland late last week where those issues were outlined. We cannot afford to say that for each person who suffers a disability that is acquired a family has to put their lives on hold perhaps for many many years. In my case I have had to do that. I am still here to represent those people because I think it is important that I put myself through a rigorous election campaign such is my belief in having to have this matter addressed. 
Quite frankly when I picked up the newspaper as all of us did last week and read a Treasury briefing that stated: “Let’s cut taxes” I wanted to know what world they live in because it is not my world. I say that when all the families who are crying out for more help to look after their disabled relatives have their needs satisfied I will agree with Treasury and with any member of Parliament that we can start looking at cutting taxes. When we have done that I will agree. In the meantime I say no. There are too many people who need the help of the State—of fellow taxpayers—to get basic rehabilitation to get basic care in the home when they need it and in our aged-care facilities and in our private hospitals where people with disability and age-related illnesses end up. That is when we should be seriously considering advice from Treasury on this matter but in the meantime I would say that it is absolutely and utterly wrong. 
It is a pleasure to speak in this debate and it is a pleasure to be able to record my thanks to the people who elected me here. I will serve them with all my energy as I have done over the last 9 years. Many things need to be done by all members of the House and I look forward to working with them to pass good legislation and good Budgets and to oversee the work of the public sector so that New Zealand is a better place in 3 years’ time as a result. 
Hon CLAYTON COSGROVE (Minister for Building Issues) 
: 
 Firstly as is traditional I pay my respects to Her Excellency the Governor-General to the Hon Margaret Wilson who was re-elected as Speaker and to yourself Mr Assistant Speaker. I also join with other members in passing on my compliments to Clem Simich. I think it is universally known throughout the House that he is a chap who plays fair and who provides a high degree of dignity. Mr Assistant Speaker you and Ann Hartley—unlike some members down there who could learn from you—bring to the Chair a high degree of style and elegance as a team and I am sure that you will both do well in this House. 
As Mark Gosche conveyed to the House I also am deeply honoured and humbled to be re-elected to a third term as the member of Parliament for Waimakariri and I thank Simon Power for his kind and generous words on my and others election to Cabinet. I was asked on the night I was elected whether it was the greatest honour I had received in my life. I have to say I answered “No.” because the greatest honour in my life was to have the people of my electorate elect me and re-elect me because in our system without that mandate one does not have the ability to stand up put one’s name forward and ask one’s colleagues for their support to enter Cabinet. 
Having said that as a new Minister I realise the awesome responsibility I have when I walk into the Cabinet room. It is a realisation that this is an adult game that this is real and that this is as my colleague Mr Gosche said about people’s lives. There is a lot of banter across the House and we do get into each other from time to time. Some of it is deserved— 
Judith Collins 
: Ha ha! 
Hon CLAYTON COSGROVE 
: I see that Judith Collins has perked up. Some of the banter is deserved and some is undeserved. That is the side of Parliament that people most often see through the lens of the television camera. However I think all of us—or most of us anyway—believe that Parliament is about people’s lives and about our attempting to make a difference. We have different ways of walking down the path to try to achieve that but hopefully that is the universal goal for us all. 
I thank the people of Waimakariri for the honour and privilege they have given me by electing me to represent them as their constituent MP. I also acknowledge my opponent in the election Kate Wilkinson who will possibly be my opponent in the future also for the race she ran. Waimakariri is a fantastic electorate because it is a little slice of New Zealand. It is rural it is urban it has rich it has poor—it has everything. That in my view is what makes it so interesting. Some electorates are totally rural and others are totally urban. Statistically Waimakariri is the fastest-growing electorate in the country and it is now the electorate with the biggest population. It is interesting because the people there are straight shooters. They come and tell me when I do things wrong—and I am guilty of being wrong from time to time—and they tell me now and again when I do things right. 
I am proud of the achievements in that electorate and of this Government putting about $13 million into the Styx Bridge which had been a major choke point in my electorate for many many years. The former Minister of Transport in the last National Government abrogated his responsibility to put that money up. We were then told we would wait 20 years but under this Government after some negotiation and a couple of months it has been finished. I am proud of the fact that this Government put money up through the district health boards to give elderly people hospital beds in Kaiapoi for the first time. I am also proud of the fact that this Government’s priority was not tax cuts but in education for instance to put $7.5 million into Rangiora High School for new buildings and about $1.1 million into Papanui High School for new buildings. I think I lost count at around the $50 million mark of the amount we have poured in since we have been in Government over and above operational—[ 
Interruption 
]. Well that member is like a rugby ball—over-inflated and covered in pigskin. I am proud of the fact that our Government saw education as its priority and as I said I lost count in terms of the amount of money—it was about $50 million—that was put in over and above operational funding to bricks and mortar and school kids in the electorate. I am proud of that. 
Mr Hide who is trying to interject might like to rise and tell us the secret of his success given that he took a party from seven or eight members down to two. What an awesome achievement in only a number of months as leader! That is the man who celebrates defeat and tries to make it into success. I suppose it depends on how we define it but we will leave it there. We are all hoping he will carry on as he left off. On that ratio if he splits his party down from two seats he will be gone next time. 
I am also proud of the fact that this Government in terms of its achievements has kept its promises. As Mr Gosche said Labour is not a party fixated on tax cuts and that is the ideological choice— 
Dr Don Brash 
: It makes it clear—you’re absolutely not. 
Hon CLAYTON COSGROVE 
: There is the Leader of the Opposition Dr Brash—a political carcass with a coat and tie hanging from it. When Dr Brash made his awesome lively spirited speech in this Address in Reply debate the person who looked most happy was John Key. John Key is now bouncing in as preferred leader at 5 percent. Now one can see the line in the sand the smoke and the nervousness of the Leader of the Opposition by the beads of sweat on his brow as he contemplates his future which could be a near-death experience in coming days. 
I am proud of the fact that we as a country have achieved the lowest rate of unemployment in the OECD at 3.4 percent. We have achieved an average growth of 4 percent over 6 years while the average rate of growth in OECD countries has been 2.5 percent. I celebrate that unlike the Leader of the Opposition whose biggest attribute in this House is to stand up every day and praise Australia or the United States saying what wonderful countries they are bagging New Zealand running us down and choosing not to stand or walk beside New Zealanders and celebrate their success and not to put forward some policies. Rather he stands there and bags Kiwi achievement. 
I am proud of the fact that since we became the Government in 1999 300000 new jobs have become available taking 100000 people off welfare and putting them into work. What is the Opposition’s answer? It is to try to create some smoke and mirrors around the unemployment figures by talking about those who are sick and are invalids. That is right—pick on the most vulnerable because they cannot fight back of course! Those who are sick or are invalids cannot stand up in this House and rebut Dr Brash. I have the honour as does Mr Gosche and others of standing up and doing that job for them. On election night and in the days following those people made their choice. 
Let us look at the Working for Families package. There is the difference in ideology between the National Party and the Labour Party. The National Party went to an election promising—and I know it hates having people reminded of this—$9 billion worth of tax cuts that would have resulted in most people getting very very little. I believe that my opponent in the election tried to dispute John Key’s own words when John Key admitted that National would borrow to give a tax cut—$3.5 billion. Then Dr Brash went on television and said National was not borrowing for a tax cut but for other things. But if the tax cut was not given there would be no need for borrowing. All those Kiwis who Dr Brash treated as fools are not fools. They thought again and worked out that it was voodoo economics by Dr Brash. It was a bribe. 
Labour will back Kiwis with families so that almost all families with children who earn under $45000 will benefit from substantial inputs and tax relief from this Government. Once the Working for Families package is fully implemented child poverty will be slashed. 
Judith Collins 
: Ha! 
Hon CLAYTON COSGROVE 
: Judith Collins groans; she is not interested in slashing child poverty—not from her electorate. She is interested in a tax cut. That is all she is fixated on. If she is asked about child poverty she yawns. Well I say she should go and yawn to some of the kids in South Auckland and Christchurch and their mums and dads and talk about a tax cut for those at the bottom of the heap. She should go and yawn at them and see how much traction she gets politically. 
So there are our achievements and our goals in health education and family assistance with our Working for Families package—and what do those members talk about? They talk about tax cuts. What a terrible week it has been for the National Party. It started with the carcass over there swinging on the hook. Then of course the deputy leader Gerry Brownlee made history. I cannot remember any other time that a member stood up and attacked the head of State’s representative. He got stuck in knowing of course—as National members do because they attack only those who cannot talk back and cannot respond—that our head of State’s representative could not respond. There is a word for that. I will not use it. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: No you will not. 
Hon CLAYTON COSGROVE 
: But Mr Brownlee may well rue the day he made those statements. 
JUDITH COLLINS (National—Clevedon) 
: 
 It is such a pleasure to follow the humble member for Waimakariri who told us so many times how humble he was then went on to prove how wrong that statement was. My goodness Kate Wilkinson will certainly be taking that seat at the next election! 
Can I start Mr Assistant Speaker by congratulating you on your election to your role. I also congratulate the Hon Margaret Wilson on her election as Speaker my colleague the Hon Clem Simich on his appointment as Deputy Speaker and Ann Hartley on becoming an Assistant Speaker. Mr Assistant Speaker you have always been very fair and I am sure I will not give you any more trouble this term than I normally do. I will do my best. I would also like to pay tribute to Don Brash and his leadership of the National Party. Don Brash brought us back with a new invigorated team. 
One of the most outstanding things in this debate has been to listen to the maiden speeches particularly from the National Party and the Maori Party. I am one of those Pakeha members of Parliament who have no fear of the Maori Party and I will tell members why. The Labour Party prefers Maori MPs to be tame. The National Party does not like anyone to be tame and the Maori Party is not tame. It is made up of people who have challenged some of our ideas. Certainly we do not agree on everything but by goodness we do agree on welfare and on welfare reform! 
At this stage I would also like to thank the Clevedon electorate. In the 2002 election it gave me a majority of 3127. In this election—and I am not going to have any false modesty about it—my majority went up to 12871 and I thank those people so much. I am there for them. The people of Clevedon including those in Papakura and in all other parts of the electorate may not always agree with everything I say or with everything I do but by goodness they certainly know what I stand for. The Labour Government with Winston Peters certainly does not know what it stands for but we know what Helen Clark and Winston Peters stand for: anything that gets them the baubles of office and enables them to keep them. 
R Doug Woolerton 
: That’s very harsh. 
JUDITH COLLINS 
: Doug Woolerton has just said: “That’s very harsh.” with a smile. 
As the MP for Clevedon let me just digress for a moment. I would like to thank the Hon Harry Duynhoven for agreeing that the inquiry into the National Rescue Coordination Centre should be an independent inquiry. I thank Harry Duynhoven for that. Michael Erceg who as we all know has died was a very very important member of the Papakura community and therefore of the Clevedon electorate. He was a very very important person. On meeting Michael one would never know who he was because he was so totally without pretension. I met him only a few times but he certainly made an impression. He had incredible drive incredible personality and incredible focus and he was obviously incredibly intelligent. He made jobs for people who had no jobs. He did not sit here in Wellington in Parliament talking about the Government doing things; he did them himself and he helped other people do them. I hope that when Minister Duynhoven looks at the inquiry he will also look at why the US embassy and the US Department of Defense offered to make available—and did make available—satellite photos of aircraft flights here in New Zealand when they should have been available anyway. I do not think that people who are grieving who are looking for loved ones or even who are looking for wreckage should have to ask about this or try to find out about it for this themselves. They are not experts. These people are volunteers; they are not experts. 
I hope also that Mr Duynhoven will be looking at why the Swedish Government was more willing to help than people thought the New Zealand Government was. I know there is an argument that says that rescue coordination people have to say “Stop” at some stage and I utterly agree with that. But when people are willing to pay for extra help why can they not have it? People have said to me that if we do that then people who are rich will be searched for and the poor will not. I say that that is nonsense because New Zealand Army personnel were put on to Peter Jackson’s movies as paid extras to help him. I think that people actually come before movies and that we should look at the whole wider area of who the army and the search people are there for. It has to be the people of New Zealand and their families. 
Tomorrow Michael will have his funeral and today is the anniversary of John F Kennedy’s assassination. Tomorrow is also the anniversary of my mother’s death so it will be a very sad day. It will be very sad for the Erceg family. It is very important for us to always think that people should come first no matter what. 
I have the pleasure again to be the National Party’s spokeswoman on welfare and I take on the role with gusto. I have seen the benefit figures. The Minister crowed yet again today about the unemployment figures and I say to him: “Those are fantastic. Let’s have more of them. Good on you.” except that I know that the jobs are not created by Governments. The jobs are created by people like Michael Erceg and his family. I do know that when the number of people on the sickness benefit and the invalids benefit continues to grow we cannot turn round and blame people like me who happen to point it out. We must tackle the issue. When I consider the fact that about 40 percent of the people on the domestic purposes benefit are Maori and that so many Maori children—about 90000—are brought up in homes with no income other than a benefit I cry for this country. We have to deal with this situation and we will not deal with it by turning round and blaming people like me who give that message. Neither will we deal with it by constantly blaming Governments or Government departments. We will deal with it only by taking responsibility for our own actions. 
If there is one thing that the Maori Party brings to this House I hope it is that Maori must stand up for Maori and be there. The reason it is so important is that if we do not get this right we will not be able to complain like we do about powhiri—because we will not have any powhiri. We will not be able to complain as people sometimes do when Maori stand in the public gallery and perform a waiata. I say good on them for doing it. [ 
Interruption 
] I wish that member over there Darren Hughes the man with the smallest majority in Parliament would just keep his voice a little smaller. When Labour Party members tell Maori to vote for them because someone else did that is not good enough. The Labour Party has stood by and allowed this situation to happen. 
When we look at Child Youth and Family Services in South Auckland—and I do not go around just talking about South Auckland; I live there—we see we have a department that is absolutely dysfunctional and a Minister who comes to the select committee and tells us how wonderful it is. Every single day the newspapers report another story and another tragedy. So often the children involved are Maori and so often those children are the children of full-time beneficiaries. So often this happens to our most vulnerable children. It is simply not good enough that we stand by and allow this to happen. 
Sitting suspended from 6 p.m. to 7.30 p.m. 
Hon DAVID BENSON-POPE (Minister for Social Development and Employment) 
: 
 Mr Assistant Speaker I join with my colleagues in congratulating you and your administrative colleagues on their election to Parliament and to such an important presiding role. In particular I congratulate the Speaker Margaret Wilson. I must agree with the comments I have heard earlier about her colleague Clem Simich. Clem Simich enjoys unparalleled respect in this building and I am confident as we all are that he will perform those duties with distinction. I am delighted to see him in that role. Also I congratulate you Mr Robertson and your colleague Ms Hartley. I also extend best wishes and congratulations to all my parliamentary colleagues. There are many challenges for us in this place not the least of them being to debate issues rationally and I welcome our new parliamentary colleagues and wish them every encouragement in that regard. 
It is an honour and indeed a privilege to stand here as a member of a Government that has delivered so convincingly on its election pledges both historically and already in this term. I would like to traverse some of those pledges and talk about the challenges for the future that were so appropriately canvassed in the Speech from the Throne. In doing so I pay my respects also to the Governor-General and to our parliamentary constitutional arrangements. 
In Government we have committed to 20 hours of quality free early childhood education for all 3 to 4-year-olds at teacher-led community-based early childhood centres by 2007. I will list a number of these initiatives because they are particularly relevant to the portfolio I am very pleased to hold after my predecessor Mr Maharey who I am delighted is with us in the Chamber this evening. He knows better than most and our community is starting to learn that we are also providing 3040 additional teachers in our classrooms over and above the number required for roll growth in our schools. 
We have expanded the Family Start programme which last year helped 4000 vulnerable families and further new services are planned over the next 2 years. Department of Child Youth and Family Services baseline funding has increased by more than 50 percent allowing more social workers to help in early intervention as well as to deal more quickly with current cases—one of the great challenges that we face as a community. We have expanded the Social Workers in Schools programme which again enables early intervention in cases of potential child abuse. 
Labour to its credit and to the advantage of the whole community has increased access to affordable primary health care and 3.7 million New Zealanders are now entitled to be enrolled in primary health organisations and in fact are enrolled. That means that by 2007 they will have cheaper doctors’ fees and prescription charges. We have delivered on our promise to double the number of hip and knee operations this year. We have also provided funding for up to 7500 more cataract operations in the next 3 years. Significantly—and this was discussed in question time today of course— we have also invested $200 million to fight back against meningococcal B disease. 
As most New Zealanders are only too aware Labour reversed National’s cuts to superannuation restoring to older couples the right to receive a guaranteed 65 percent of the average wage at 65 years. We know there were some commitments around the election about that level. We also removed asset testing by progressively phasing out asset testing for older people in rest homes and geriatric hospitals. 
New Zealand has its lowest crime rate in over 20 years. No one who is listening to the House today or who has been watching question time recently can miss the irony of a Government that has had that achievement and that has built $800 million worth of new prisons—or is in the process of doing so—being criticised for overcrowding in some of our penal institutions. We make no apologies for the increased focus on policing and for responding appropriately to what the community has asked of us. It is a sad comment on the weakness of the Opposition that it has to try to play that game. It was Labour that implemented tougher sentencing and tougher parole and bail laws. That means more serious offenders are spending longer in prison which is why there is such a financial impost in relation to the construction of new prisons. And we have more police. 
Lindsay Tisch 
: Tell that to the victims. They don’t believe you. 
Hon DAVID BENSON-POPE 
: No matter how long you bleat— 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Please do not bring the Speaker into the debate. 
Hon DAVID BENSON-POPE 
: I say to Mr Tisch that the further 265 staff announced in Budget 2005 will take total police numbers above 10000 for the first time ever and the total added by Labour to over 1400. 
One of the greatest challenges for the Opposition is to focus on facts. We saw that with regard to the extraordinary misinformation that one or two National members were trying to portray about other benefit issues earlier in the day. It is no less the case with regard to police issues. Sooner not later the community will become aware that it is not only Dr Brash who wears no clothes. The National Opposition is completely without policy in those matters. 
Lindsay Tisch 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. The comment that the member made about Dr Brash is completely unparliamentary. I ask the member to withdraw and apologise for that remark. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I did not hear it but if the member did make an unparliamentary remark I would caution him on the way in which he addresses the House in future. 
Hon DAVID BENSON-POPE 
: I hardly thought it was unparliamentary to refer to the old Russian folk tale of the emperor with no clothes. But just like the leader the National Party also has no clothes because it has no policy. 
Hon David Carter 
: What about tax? 
Hon DAVID BENSON-POPE 
: National may make the most extraordinary claims about tax but can we talk about forestry? And when we are talking about forestry should we talk to Mr Connell or to Dr Brash? If we talk about health we would not know whether to talk to Dr Hutchison or to Dr Brash because the party had no cohesive policy into the election. That is why those people including those most verbose and overexcited new people are sitting again on the Opposition benches. In contrast it is clear what Labour stands for. Would it not be nice if the public could say what the Opposition stands for? But it cannot. 
We know that for 6 long years the Opposition members have sat there on the Opposition benches looking a bit stunned. They have been here for their long lunches and their late nights and they have contributed next to nothing. I guess the next issue of Trivial Pursuit will ask: “What do Opposition MPs do with their day?”. The correct answer to date has been: “Not much by the look of things.” But that comes about because in Opposition those members have been useless and they have been useless because they are lazy. They do not know their subjects they do not like their leader and in all that time in Opposition they never came up with any real policies. They might have bleated a lot but they never came up with any real policies and when the scab came off they could not come up with any detail. It is no wonder therefore that those members will be on the Opposition benches for another 3 years. They will have been 9 years in Opposition and that is almost certain to drift on to 12 or 15 years because they have already shown their unwillingness to do any hard work. Are we not watching with great interest the little internecine fights that are already developing within their caucus? 
National went into the election with unaffordable tax cuts that would have delivered $10 a week to most Kiwis but $92 a week to its millionaire supporters or MPs like Dr Brash Mr Key and a number of the others. It tried to buy the election with its tax cuts and its underhand campaigns financed by strange sects and shady deals with industry in return for favours that voters were never supposed to know about. That failed National failed and its members have turned up in this House ready to fail in Opposition for another 3 years. It is no surprise to anyone that the National members are sad as that realisation finally sinks in. 
 What a contrast one sees when one looks at the Labour-led Government which is committed to growing our economy and investing in quality public services. New Zealand has averaged a growth rate of around 4 percent over the last 6 years while the OECD average was 2.5 percent. We have received extraordinary international recognition. The International Monetary Fund recently described our economy as “strongly positive”. Our fiscal position is “very strong”. A recent OECD report about New Zealand stated: “The economy has continued on its strong upward course …” and stated that living standards have continued to improve. [ 
Interruption 
] 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I just say to members that while the honourable member is making a speech some interjections can be expected but not so many as to drown out the member. 
Hon DAVID BENSON-POPE 
: We have implemented policies in Government that mean that we now pay less in debt servicing so that resources are freed up for spending on health education and defence—the sorts of things our communities are asking us to deliver on. Crown debt has been falling relative to GDP from 35.4 percent in 1999 to 25 percent last year and to an estimated 22 percent this year. That is a remarkable achievement. 
Hon ANNETTE KING (Minister of State Services) 
: 
 I am delighted to contribute to this very important debate which will set the scene for the next 3 years. I begin by congratulating Madam Speaker on her election to the Chair. What I like about Madam Speaker is her calmness her sense of humour and her knowledge. I think she is like a fine red wine—she is maturing very nicely indeed. 
I also congratulate Clem Simich. He I think is Parliament’s gentleman. In fact he is a National MP from a bygone era. He is courteous considerate and never rude and he is prepared to listen. He was a Minister of Police and he was incredibly helpful to me when I was in Opposition. I thank him for that. Why did the National Party kick him out? Why did it get rid of a good constituency MP and put him on the list when he was doing a good job here in Parliament? Nobody can understand that. Such are the mysteries of the National Party. 
A moment like this is a good opportunity to thank one’s own organisation for the work it did in the election campaign. I thank my organisation for the fantastic job it did. It delivered a vote of almost 50 percent for Labour in the seat of Rongotai. It is a fantastic seat. I believe that it is the best seat in New Zealand. It has the wonderful coastline of the southern and eastern Wellington areas and it has the Chatham Islands those little gems out there in the sea. Many people love to visit the Chatham Islands. Members of Parliament flock there in their droves to have a little look spend a little time there and bring back a little fish. Rongotai is a tremendous electorate. 
I pay a tribute tonight to my opponent Nicola Young who put up a very good fight. But she too was kicked by the National Party. She was promised a high position on the list. She did not get the Wellington Central nomination—that went to Mark Blumsky—but she was promised a high position on the list. What number did she get? She got No. 61. Fancy doing that to a person who comes from the aristocracy of the National Party! She is Bill Young’s daughter her sister has been in Parliament her other sister stood for Parliament and her brother-in-law was a Cabinet Minister—and how did National treat Nicola Young? It treated her appallingly. I say to Nicola Young that she will have a good future in whatever she does because she is a fine person. 
One of the pleasures of this debate is that we get the opportunity to listen to the maiden speeches of the new members of Parliament. It also gives us the opportunity to reflect on our own speeches which we made when we came into this place. I was fortunate to present an address in this debate in 1984 as was my good friend and colleague Jim Sutton. What have I learnt in 21 years? 
John Key 
: Let’s hear your maiden speech. 
Hon ANNETTE KING 
: Mr Key may well say that because he has not learnt very much in the short time he has been here. But I would like to tell members what I have learnt in my time. [ 
Interruption 
] 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I am sorry to interrupt the member. I would like the members on the left to look at Speaker’s ruling 57/3. Running commentaries are out of order. If a member wants to make a speech he or she can take the call next time. 
Hon ANNETTE KING 
: I want to tell Mr Key in particular—because this is very important for him—what I have learnt in the 21 years since I was elected to Parliament. I have learnt the value of real friendship. We do not make a lot of friends when we are in Parliament and it is rare to hold on to our old friends so we really value those friendships we make. I tell Mr Key that I have learnt the value of working in a team where people support each other and look out for each other. I have learnt the value of really good leadership where the leader allows people to grow their talents and skills and does not promote them to the front bench when he or she is really going to stab them in the back or put them right up the back when they ought to be at the front. At this point I say to Dr Hutchison that I really feel sorry for him. He is a fine man. He was a good Opposition spokesperson on health. You were dumped— 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I never got dumped. 
Hon ANNETTE KING 
:—for somebody who does not know where his big toe is let alone know anything about health. I have learnt that it is a privilege to represent the people of my electorate. I have also learnt that people can make a difference if they are in a party that has principles and policies and more important—and this is the part that will hurt—if they get the opportunity to implement those policies. 
I have spent 6 years in Opposition and I am entering my 7th year in Government and the reason why I have spent more time in Government than in Opposition is that the Labour Party learnt its lessons long ago. Dissension division self-interest and superegos lead to long years in the wilderness. In fact I tell Mr Key that they lead to 9 long years in the wilderness. That is where his party is going to be. The public cannot stand divided parties. They hate divided parties. They have no time for petty political backstabbing. They have no time for bad mouthing. The National Party even though it has had 6 years in Opposition has not learnt a darned thing. Its members are still backbiting stabbing each other and whingeing and moaning amongst themselves. They have not learnt anything. 
The self-interest double-dealing and deceptiveness of some of those members especially those who could be the leader mean that they will not spend 9 long years in Opposition but 12 years. In fact the members of the brat pack have aged before my very eyes. I have watched them go from having brown hair to salt and pepper hair to grey hair in the time I have been here. The brat pack has become the rat pack and it will become the geriatric pack in the next few years having gone absolutely nowhere at all. I have never seen such naked ambition as I am seeing at this moment from those who would take Don Brash’s job. I tell National members to give Don Brash a fair go. [ 
Interruption 
] I join in that clap for Dr Brash—he is getting the clap that he deserves at this moment. But I tell Dr Brash that as his members are clapping him they are busy planning his downfall. 
Let us take Bill English. He was a loser when he had the job of leader but he has his eye on Dr Brash’s job. Bill English has set out to recruit most of Dr Brash’s new South Island members of Parliament. Whose loyalty has Mr English bought? He has bought theirs for his bid for Dr Brash’s job. Mr English boasts that he has most of the South Island MPs in his pocket hand-picked by him and his wife and he is determined to win back the leadership of the National Party. Then we have John Key. He is eager he is keen and he has a lot going for him. But I tell him to watch out for his detractors. They are out there already. The whispering campaign has started; they have their eye on him. 
 Then there is Gerry Brownlee. One cannot help but like Gerry Brownlee; he is a nice guy. But he is very ambitious and of course he is being undermined. What did Matthew Hooton—that well-known well-connected National Party person—say about Gerry Brownlee? He said that Gerry Brownlee is an idiot and that the clock is ticking. [ 
Interruption 
] That is a quote from Matthew Hooton I say to Mr McCully. Mr McCully would also like the job if he could get it but he knows he will never get it so he just plots and plans behind the scenes. Then there is Simon Power. Dr Brash needs to know this. Simon Power has already formed his thinktank. He has four people working for him so that he can be the leader to replace Dr Brash. He has already got the strategy written as to how this will happen and he is already set to go early so that he can get the job before John Key becomes too popular. It will be an interesting 3 years. We are going to see a lot of turmoil we are going to see a lot of treachery and we are going to see some changes in the National Party over the next 3 years. 
I conclude my speech by saying that I heard some wonderful speeches from the new members of Parliament. I heard wonderful speeches from the Opposition and from our own side. I commend Shane Jones and Sue Moroney. I commend Maryan Street and Darien Fenton and I commend my cousin in this House Chris Finlayson. He gave an extremely good speech. I did not agree with anything he said in his speech—we are diametrically opposed—but he is a man of talent. The National Party is lucky to have him. He comes from wonderful stock and I know that the Russ clan will be delighted that they have representatives on both sides of the House. 
NICKY WAGNER (National) 
: 
 As a slight variation to convention I would like to congratulate almost everyone who is part of this New Zealand Parliament: the elected members those who work to support this institution and especially the visitors and those listening to the radio tonight. I say to them that it is their attention and interest that keeps politicians honest. 
This is a House of Representatives so by definition no one becomes a member of Parliament without the support of a cast of thousands. So thanks to my whole family particularly to my husband Billy and my boys Jamie and Tia and thanks also to my friends and neighbours and everyone in Christchurch Central who helped and supported me. What a team! But it is the National Party—70 years young—party president Judy Kirk leader Don Brash and regional chair Roger Bridge who made it happen for me and for so many others. Thank you very much. It is powerful stuff being part of this party. I would also like to pay tribute to all my campaign colleagues who did not make it at this election. Keep in fighting trim people; we will be needing you soon. Most importantly thank you to everyone who gave National their party vote in 2005. It took a cast of thousands to get me here and every one of them is a star. 
Today I want to speak in support of a minority group that is almost invisible to this Government: a group of 300000 New Zealanders who feel alienated and misunderstood who are often overworked and underpaid and who are always unappreciated. But I also want to talk about how we New Zealanders hit the jackpot the day we were born into this country. Without even buying a raffle ticket we inherited a unique and rich natural environment all the opportunity energy and hopes of a country of immigrants and the personal freedom and responsibilities of living in a democracy. It is an elegant and potent cocktail. 
I was born into a special family. Have you noticed that like every mother who miraculously produces the most beautiful baby on earth everyone’s family is special? It is a simple point but it is a key indicator to a successful society. My special family were mum and dad and three kids who knew they were loved. 
My mum was a teacher my dad was an engineer. Both my granddads were businessmen and my grandmas read us stories and cooked us food. They came to our house on Sundays for a roast. They all had an opinion about our manners about our school work and how we should treat our mother. They are all dead right now but their spirits are still strong in my life and their voices clear in my head: “You only get out of life what you put in.”; “Pull your weight Nicky.”; “Do unto others as you would like them to do unto you.”; “If you can’t say anything nice don’t say anything at all.”—God knows how that works in a place like this! “Work hard.”; “Make the most of everything.”; and the most powerful: “You can do it!”. That was from my mum and it could have been a subversive feminist message except it was coupled with a wail: “Why do you always have to beat all the boys at tennis?”. And always although we read English literature at school studied the history of Europe and knew that “A Fin—To the End” was the motto of our Scottish clan we were always New Zealanders. 
My parents took me a babe in arms on their OE. My dad worked for a construction company and my mum was eternally grateful to Mr Zelinski who never heard a sound through the thin boarding-house walls even though I screamed all night. But they were not “brain drainers”. They had a look at the world and came home with the conviction that our family were New Zealanders by birth but also by choice. They loved the history and culture of the UK and Europe but felt compromised by the engrained class system and the cost of participation. They returned to New Zealand to continue their family and for the opportunities that abounded in this young country. They came back for economic security and quality of life. In those days we were rated No. 3 in the OECD for economics and also No. 3 for health outcomes for infants. Would my mum and dad have made the same decision today looking at our low-wage economy and our present infant mortality rate? 
I have two brothers. They are both living and raising their families in Australia. I have two sons. They are both in the process of doing their OE. I hate the fact that over the last 40 years or so our standard of living and the opportunities for our young people have steadily eroded. Nowadays a skilled worker is instantly and substantially better off financially simply by moving to Australia. And the weather is better! I hate the thought that New Zealand is the birthplace the nurturer and the educator of a whole generation who may return that investment to another country. Do members remember the anguish of the people of Hamelin after the Pied Piper had lured all their children away? We must not let that happen in New Zealand. I swell with pride when frequently overseas people tell me: “I have always wanted to go to New Zealand. It’s so beautiful so clean and so green.” I swell with pride but it is nothing to do with me. Yes New Zealand is beautiful and mostly clean and green but that is mainly because we have had so few people here in our country that we have not messed it up yet. 
My own city of Christchurch has the best and purest water in the world—this stuff here is yuck in comparison—but do not think for one minute it is because Christchurch people have carefully protected and conserved their water. We got a lucky geographical break—a layer of silt that has kept the aquifers clean. I know that all Kiwis care about their environment. I know that Christchurch people love their clean water and now that we can all plainly see that our environment is in real danger all of us have to play a part in doing something about it. 
I admire courage; all types of courage. Sometimes it takes real courage just to get up in the morning and get our kids off to school. But I particularly admire the courage of those who have a vision for the future and are prepared to go out and get it. I think of all the seafarers who set sail for this island Aotearoa New Zealand in search of a better future. How many canoes and how many ships were lost at sea? How many people perished on the way? I think of those who pioneered settlements here and who died from starvation or exposure before they could create their homes or villages. Our ancestors made the country we have today. They built it with hard work—and I hope a bit of play—with blood and sweat but also with love often in loneliness and misery but always with the belief that they were voyaging adventuring striving and fighting for a better future for themselves and for their families so we can sit comfortably in this House tonight. 
And these are not lost values of the past. Just last week I was talking to an immigrant taxi-driver who had been a teacher in his home country. He drove a taxi because his family’s first financial duty was to the next generation so that they would have more choices and they would not have to drive his taxi. And he has been successful. He proudly told me that his son had just graduated as a lawyer and his daughter had nearly finished a double degree in computer science. He hoped that they would remember him in his old age. 
Everyone can and should take part in building a better New Zealand for themselves and for future generations. It is the very best kind of team sport because every Kiwi has something valuable to offer and we need every one of them to join the game. And as my grandmother said: “You only get out of life what you put in.” There might be times when we find ourselves on the benches but it is our job to get focused and fit and on to “Team New Zealand” again. None of us is off the hook. Well perhaps some of us are. Some have already done their bit—people like my pop. My father-in-law 88 years of age and frail is the heart of our family and he is up in the balcony right there. Pop at 20 went off to World War II with the 36th Battalion and he ended up at Guadalcanal. Many of his mates were killed there and he was wounded twice. But like many of his generation he talks only of the lighter side of his experience like the time he hitched a ride with a US soldier back to the Kiwi camp and was asked: “Is that anywhere near the K-one-W-one sign with the picture of the fat-arsed duck?”. There are lots of Kiwis like my pop. They went out and battled for New Zealand when times were tough but now they are old and a bit tired. And we who have never had to face a world war we who have got soft living beyond our means need to remember them. I am ashamed when I see the chronic underfunding of elderly care by this Government. 
But now back to that minority group—those 300000 people who work enormously long hours often in substandard conditions and cannot claim overtime redundancy or maternity leave. Their jobs and their incomes are totally exposed to local and global economic shifts and their risks and responsibilities continue regardless of ill health or misfortune. This group includes men and women of all ages and all races. Many of these people are new immigrants women with children and people who have been made redundant. Many have low levels of education and all worry from day to day about their future and the future of those who depend on them. These people are the self-employed and owner-operators of small businesses employing fewer than 20 workers. They make up 97 percent of all New Zealand businesses and they want to send a message to this Government: “Leave us alone. Pick on someone your own size. The smaller we are the tougher you are on us. It might cost the big boys $500 a year in compliance costs but we little fellows are paying over $2800 a year. It’s too much. Give us a break. Many of us are earning only wages and the only time we hear from you is when you make more rules want an Accident Compensation Corporation payment or slap on another tax. And what’s this about letting the big companies off paying carbon tax but nailing us? We’re the ones who have created most of the productive jobs in the last few years not the Government. We’re the ones who will pay the price as the economy contracts. In fact many of us who export are already losing money but hoping that the dollar will drop so that our businesses will survive. There is no incentive. It’s getting too hard and this Government understands us so little that it has made a trade unionist our Minister. There seems to be only one good thing about being self-employed and that is when times are tough you can’t be fired. You just keep on going to work to earn less and less.” 
So to conclude New Zealand according to Nicky Wagner is a wonderfully endowed beautiful country but we need to look after it much better. Strong families built this country but we the present generation are free-riding on the efforts of those who have gone before. We are not looking after our elderly properly and we run the risk of losing the next generation to the more productive faster-growing economies overseas. We are too tough on those who are working hard to get ahead especially the self-employed and the small-business owner-operators and there is no incentive for New Zealanders to invest in a smarter future as long as we are overtaxed and under-appreciated. I believe that every New Zealander needs to take personal responsibility for his or her own future and the future of this country because no organisation and certainly no Government can be flexible enough to manage a world where change is the only constant and the unexpected is the norm. But all is not lost. Just as our ancestors each and every one of them took up the challenge of building a better country for future generations so can we. I am keen so let us get cracking. 
Hon DAVID PARKER (Minister of Energy) 
: 
 Mr Speaker— 
Gerry Brownlee 
: Who’s this guy? 
Hon DAVID PARKER 
: The speaker is actually David Parker if Mr Brownlee does not know me. 
First of all I would like to pay my respects and welcome new members on all sides to the House. I hope that it is a rewarding experience for them and that they go about their duties wisely. It is certainly a privilege to be here. I congratulate the Speaker Margaret Wilson on her reappointment. I congratulate Clem Simich on his elevation to the role of Deputy Speaker which I am sure he will fulfil very well and also H V Ross Robertson and Ann Hartley on their appointments as Assistant Speakers. 
Gerry Brownlee 
: When are the lights going out? 
Hon DAVID PARKER 
: Probably when that member speaks next. When Mr Muldoon left power in the mid-1980s New Zealand’s economy was in tatters. Government debt totalled 70 percent of GDP and one dollar in five of tax collected was spent on interest. Indeed had it not been for the substantial restructuring of the Labour Government the following year it is predicted that the amount would have ballooned in short order to one dollar in four. So when Mr Muldoon left this economy in tatters it was up to the Labour Government’s wise fiscal and economic policies to pull us out of the mire—and they have. This Government has reduced Government debt substantially to under 25 percent of GDP and now instead of one dollar in five of all tax revenue being spent on interest it is one dollar in 20. 
 Against that background I was very surprised that for the first time since Mr Muldoon left this economy in tatters a major New Zealand political party was promising unaffordable tax cuts that would have required on its own figures the Government to increase Government debt— 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I say to members that I am not able to hear the member on my right and I will not allow that. 
Hon DAVID PARKER 
: Thank you Mr Speaker. I trust that that will not come out of my time. A major political party was promising such extreme unaffordable tax cuts that it would have meant even on National’s own numbers that Government debt would have increased by billions of dollars and perhaps more important as a proportion of GDP. 
Gerry Brownlee 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. You have cut us off from interjecting on this member. I understand that he is new and needs protection but I do feel— 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: No— 
Gerry Brownlee 
: I have a point of order. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: The member should come to the point then. 
Gerry Brownlee 
: The point I make is that although it is appropriate in a debate to introduce debating material and therefore to have considerable interjection when that material becomes a little bit difficult for people to take I suggest that this member might help himself if he read the Treasury briefing papers that completely refute everything he has been saying for the last 3 minutes. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Thank you. I make the point that the Speaker will not allow a member to be drowned out. 
Hon DAVID PARKER 
: In dealing with that not-a-point of order we just heard Mr Brownlee’s denial of the truth that National’s unaffordable tax cuts would increase Government debt by billions of dollars. For his information I will quote from an interview between Mr Key and Alistair Thompson on 24 August: “On the numbers we put out last week we would borrow $3.3 billion more.” That would be over the first 3-year term. So I tell Mr Brownlee to go and check his numbers; he cannot even add up billions. 
In any event it does not hurt to pause and remind ourselves that we are one of the most privileged nations on earth. On virtually every OECD measurement New Zealand is near the top. Be it for the quality of our health services the educational attainment of our school leavers the longevity of our people the cleanliness of our environment the sustainability of our superannuation arrangements our high growth rate or our low unemployment rate we rank at just about the top of the developed world. Many people from other parts of the developed world look to us as an example—as a country with low and dropping crime rates and with moderate rates of taxation which is a topic I will return to. 
That does not mean we should be complacent but it does mean we should consider whether radical change is necessary. Members should make no mistake: what National was proposing at the last election was radical change. Whether through unaffordable tax cuts or a foreign policy blindly aligned with the United States’ on issues like Iraq or nuclear matters Dr Brash’s agenda was to move New Zealand radically to the right for the benefit of a few at the cost of the many. 
But what did voters want? Voters asked themselves that question. Did they want tolerance or intolerance? How did those voters—[ 
Interruption 
] 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I would like members to look at Speakers’ ruling 57/3. I think it might help the debate to progress in an orderly manner. 
Gerry Brownlee 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. If you are going to bring out Speakers’ rulings then you will also understand that when a member poses a question in his or her speech that is so patently stupid there can only be an expectation that it will be refuted. This is the Minister who will preside over the lights going out in this country and over industries probably having to close because he has his mind closed to the problems of his own ministry yet he asks these dopey questions about whether the country would have been better off with a National Government. Everyone knows that it would have been. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Speakers’ ruling 45/7 relates to the matter of asking questions of members on the other side of the House who do not have the floor. So I just caution the member about the way he addresses the House. 
Lindsay Tisch 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. When the member is making allegations that are completely and blatantly wrong and misleading you must expect that our members will want to bring a fair perspective to the truth and reality. That can be achieved only by interjections and if you stifle interjections from this side then it becomes blatantly unfair. If the member wants to bring some accuracy fairness and equity to the debate then he wants to stick to the facts as opposed to making up things that become debatable issues. So I ask that you instruct the new member over there to get his facts right otherwise there will be interjections from this side. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I again refer members to Speakers’ ruling 57/3: “Interjections … are out of order unless they are rare and reasonable;” relevant and restrained. 
John Key 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I wonder whether you might want to check with the Minister about whether he actually does want to be heard in silence because as you will be aware he is not giving interviews on any of his portfolios. He does not want to be heard at all by the media and if he does not want to be heard by the media I would be surprised at his wanting to be heard by the Opposition. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: No that is not a point of order and the member knows it; he has been here long enough. 
Gerry Brownlee 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker— 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: It had better be a fresh point of order Mr Brownlee. 
Gerry Brownlee 
: It will be very helpful to the House. I think that the National Opposition should hear this man in absolute silence because we want the nation to hear what an incompetent he really is. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: No. The member will be seated. The member has a senior position; he knows better. 
Hon DAVID PARKER 
: Mr Speaker I take it that this is not coming off my allocation of time? There has been more time spent on points of order—[ 
Interruption 
] I raise a point of order Mr Speaker— 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: It has not been taken off your time. 
Hon DAVID PARKER 
: National does not like it but voters did have a choice. Did they want tolerance or intolerance? Many voters felt threatened by the foreshore and seabed legislation. Labour steered a course that preserved everyone’s right of access across the foreshore and seabed and we avoided violent protest—some would say just. 
Given that recent controversy I would not have pushed race relations hard yet National proposed to. That did not seem prudent to me. Dr Brash was willing to risk race relations by unilaterally abolishing the Maori seats which have existed for over 100 years. What motivated that? Was it because Maori did not fit Dr Brash’s view of mainstream New Zealanders? Let us think about that. What did he mean by mainstream New Zealanders? Were they low-paid or middle-class workers? No no. Were they widows relying on the domestic purposes benefit? I doubt it. Were they superannuitants just getting by on superannuation? I doubt that too—the rich or the poor the tolerant or the intolerant? 
I think we can judge from the links between Dr Brash the National Party and the Exclusive Brethren—those links that Dr Brash was forced to admit he had told inconsistent things about and was forced to apologise for. What was he hiding? What was he ashamed of? 
Of course the Exclusive Brethren is not a moderate church group. It has been fairly described in one of New Zealand’s leading newspapers as the Taliban of New Zealand’s religious sects. It is true. Its rules state that its members have to marry within the sect that they must not watch television and that women are not permitted to work outside the home. Its members are not allowed to go to university and they are not allowed even to read novels. That the National Party’s agenda suited the Exclusive Brethren rightly worried voters as much as it worried me. 
Against that background we really have to wonder how desperate National members were to try to buy their way on to the Treasury benches with unaffordable tax cut promises. They admitted that their tax cuts would cost $7 billion more than Labour’s would. In fact Mr Key in the interview I quoted from before said the National Party admitted that on its numbers it would be forced to borrow $3.3 billion more over the first 3 years. What did the commentators say? Economist Brian Easton stated: “Labour’s tax cuts are not only smaller but they are probably within the acceptable fiscal parameters … But if Labour’s cuts hover just out of the imprudence range National’s are much larger. They admit they are going to have to borrow to finance them. … The fact of the matter is that National’s tax cuts will raise its borrowing faster than GDP growth.” It was not me or the Labour Party saying that—it was an independent economist. 
The excuse National used is that it would borrow for capital expenditure. What a nonsense! Every Government has capital expenditure every year—for new hospitals new classrooms new hospital equipment and new roads. The fact of the matter is that National’s budget did not balance and that it would have had to borrow more money than would otherwise have been required. 
In contrast Labour’s tax cuts are focused on families. They deliver more than $100— 
Phil Heatley 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. The member is reading from a document written by an independent economist to back up his speech and I was wondering whether he could table the Labour Party pamphlet at the end of his speech. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: The member will be seated. That is not a point of order. 
Darren Hughes 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I have already dealt with it. 
Darren Hughes 
: There have been six points of order during this speech: three from Mr Brownlee and one each from Mr Key Mr Tisch and now Mr Heatley as well. [ 
Interruption 
] I know that the Opposition has to borrow to make up those numbers but we know numbers over here. 
The point I am trying to make is that none of the points of order have been proper points of order. They have been deliberately designed to break up my colleague’s speech which is disorderly of itself. I do not know what happened over the dinner break in the National Party caucus but if those members want to show off to one another how about they find a better place to do it than Parliament? 
Gerry Brownlee 
: I wonder whether that member can count not only to six but all the way to 328—the very thin majority that he managed to hold last time. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Order! I am on my feet. 
Gerry Brownlee 
: He certainly could not count to 5000 or 6000—the number of votes he lost to Nathan Guy in the last election. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I am on my feet. The member has his first yellow card. 
Hon DAVID PARKER 
: Our tax cuts were focused on families with children. 
Rodney Hide 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I appreciate that Mr Brownlee got a yellow card for talking while you were on your feet but while Mr Brownlee was on his feet making a point of order Darren Hughes levelled an entire stream of abuse at Mr Brownlee. I think it is only fair that he receives a yellow card—just as three All Blacks did. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Thank you. If Mr Hughes did that during a point of order I ask him to withdraw and apologise. 
Darren Hughes 
: I withdraw and apologise. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Thank you it has been noted. 
Hon DAVID PARKER 
: Our tax package was focused on families with children because the gap— 
Hon Tau Henare 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I have looked through the  
Standing Orders of the House of Representatives 
 and just as a point of clarification I cannot actually find reference to the yellow card in there. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: That is not a point of order. The member should know better as he has been in this House before. This is a first warning to Mr Henare. 
Hon Tau Henare 
: It is a legitimate point of order that two of my colleagues have apparently been yellow-carded. I respectfully say that nothing in the Standing Orders states that a member can be yellow-carded. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Thank you. The figure is wrong. There is one and it is only a figure of speech. 
Hon DAVID PARKER 
: Labour’s tax package is focused on families with children because the gap between the well-off and the poor grew markedly during the 1990s. Only the top 20 percent of households went forward—the middle 60 percent stayed where they were and the bottom 20 percent went backwards. In New Zealand which was once known as the land of plenty thousands more families were having to use food banks every week. That is another reason why tax cuts ought to be focused on families with children—as ours are. Despite that history National’s tax cuts would give more to those who are already well off by borrowing billions that could be repaid only by either taxpayers’ children or the tooth fairy. 
CRAIG FOSS (National—Tukituki) 
: 
 I offer my congratulations to Madam Speaker her Deputy Speaker and her Assistant Speakers on their recent election. I am honoured that 17239 voters from the electorate of Tukituki have chosen me to be their representative in Parliament. Ticking the name “Craig Foss” in the polling booth is a very good habit to get into indeed. I am in awe of the traditions and the integrity of this House and of the great leaders who have gone before me in this House. I commit myself to doing my best to uphold those traditions. I am fearful of the impact that being an MP may have on my family. Dad is already missing his girls. I am fearful of the faceless and grey bureaucratic machine that I am told actually runs the country and can wear one down. 
I am now the member of Parliament for Tukituki. Six months ago I would have wondered how to fill up a 15-minute speech. Now I worry that I do not have enough time. I have attended my first caucus and it may have been noticed that I am not good at breathing through my nose and sitting in the back row. I have shouted my first interjection. Admittedly on reflection given the nerves it was a bit of a muffled mumble but I am sure practice will make perfect. I have sat on my first select committee. Does anyone really read all those papers? I have signed my first taxi chit and today I deliver my maiden speech. I love being the member of Parliament for Tukituki. Being here is absolutely everything. 
I need to acknowledge some special people. My wife Kristal—who is in the gallery—and I met fell in love left our jobs of 7 years married and left New Zealand for London all in the space of 9 months. That was 12 years ago. I have dragged Kristal all over the world: from Wellington to London to Tokyo to Sydney and now home to Hawke’s Bay. Kristal is my rock. Her love for me and our family is my bedrock and I promise to try to slow down a bit soon. We have two gorgeous daughters Sophie and Laura. When I give them a goodnight kiss I whisper to each of them that she is a clever an intelligent and a beautiful girl with lots of common sense and a wonderful future. They are both so talented and make their parents so proud. 
My own parents Rosemary and Ray—who are also in the gallery—could not have provided a better upbringing for my brother my sister and me. But I do not think I have ever done nor will I ever do anything wrong in the eyes of my mum. It should come as no surprise that I am doing very well in her preferred Prime Minister stakes. My older sister Sharon my younger brother Brett their partners Alan and Leonie their children Claire and Mikayla Kristal’s dad Graham and her brother Nick are also in the gallery tonight. I thank them so much for being here. Even the Bendas—they are now in  
Hansard 
. 
To my party leader Don Brash and to the party president Judy Kirk I say thank you so much. My good mate—my running mate—Chris Tremain and I are together very loudly and proudly the voice of Hawke’s Bay. I say thank you very much to my campaign team who are up in the back corner of the gallery particularly to Tony Mossman Todd Hansen and the National Party from Tukituki who kept our organisation humming while a member from the Labour side of the House borrowed our seat for a while. I also acknowledge those who have passed away—some far to early to be fair but their pride will be with us tonight. Of course I say a great big “gidday” to friends who are listening on the radio. 
I am a fighter and I fight for what is right and for what is fair. I am always happy being the tortoise and never the hare. In business as my career has shown I just get stuck straight in and let the results speak for themselves. I was born on 4 July 1963 American Independence Day. Perhaps that is why I am such a strong advocate of personal freedom. Taita Kindergarten Taita Rugby Club Fraser Park Squash Club Avalon Primary School Naenae Intermediate Naenae College and the AFS exchange programme have all made me the person I am today. When I was 8 years old the standard 1 pupils of Avalon Primary School made the fatal mistake of electing me as their class chairperson. I was hooked. Throughout my life I have always ended up as chairperson of this or monitor of that. 
As a 10-year-old long after my parents had tucked me into bed and turned out the lights I used to listen to Parliament on my transistor radio. I can still hear Rob Muldoon dishing it out to all-comers in this Chamber. Perhaps my rugby mates from the Hutt Old Boys J7s had a premonition when they gave me the nickname of Winston after Winston Churchill. We were awarded the Griffiths Memorial Trophy in 1983 in spite of the scumbags amongst us for the best and fairest team. 
I now represent the electorate of Tukituki which takes in a great part of Hawke’s Bay: the Hawke’s Bay wine country. In 2000 my wife and I decided to return to New Zealand. Choosing to live in Hawke’s Bay was a very easy choice to make. The climate is superb and the sky is normally a permanent National Party blue. The drivers wave “gidday” with their full hands not with the one or two fingers that I became used to in London. Life is laid back but hard work is expected and valued. The renaissance of Hawke’s Bay over recent years has rested upon our traditional strengths of farming agriculture horticulture and viticulture and now cafe culture Maori culture and tourism. 
There is an abundance of MPs in our region: Dr Cullen Mr Horomia Mr Fairbrother and Mr Barker. I sincerely hope that together we can work to solve issues such as funding for the Hawke’s Bay Opera House and the ownership structure of our airport and the lengthening of its runway. I also acknowledge Dr Pita Sharples who was born in Takapau and who was also the first chairman of Ngati Kahungunu in 1984. It is also interesting to note that the very first Maori Parliament sat in Hastings on Waipatu Marae in 1892. It ceased sitting in 1901 with the introduction of the Maori Land Board. It is ironic now that 104 years later a Maori Party has arisen from disputes over Maori title to land. Central Hawke’s Bay is the home of political legends: Holyoake Harrison McIntyre and Falloon. I will do my best to serve their legends well. 
Hawke’s Bay is also the nursery of many sporting heroes artists musicians and business leaders. But Hawke’s Bay has too many councils. Hastings mayor Lawrence Yule and Napier mayor Barbara Arnott are doing a fantastic job. But I am sure they have taken note that 35000 voters gave Chris Tremain and me an endorsement as we campaigned in one voice first for Hawke’s Bay and then for our electorates. 
We have such a stunning country with so much potential. Yet we keep shooting ourselves in the foot with social and economic polices that result in over 400000 New Zealanders choosing to live in countries that have not followed the Kyoto Protocol that have lower tax structures that have First World health services that have transparent educational standards and that have strong defence relationships with our traditional allies. It is a disgrace that New Zealand exports its best and brightest to those same economies. The world is a tough and a dangerous place. We have enemies whether we like it or not. We need allies. We will not always agree with them but we need them just in case. It is with the same caution that I am wary of entering into free-trade agreements with emerging superpowers when we are yet to have them with our traditional allies. 
Land-based industries are the bedrock and engine room of the New Zealand economy. But fluffy policy such as Kyoto which results in New Zealand exporting raw coal and raw logs to Asia and then importing them as cheap finished products does not seem to be the way to grow New Zealand. 
The dependency drug pushed into Maori by Labour and paid for by Maori votes is killing an entire race. That the Maori Party has emerged and flourished under a Labour Government must be the final proof required that the welfare state in its present form has failed. Governments should listen carefully: tax is not their money; it is the taxpayers. The bigger the Government the harder those in the private sector have to work to counter the Government. How would members feel if they were paid their gross salary or wage in cash and then had the Minister of Finance whip in rip open the packet take as many notes as he felt appropriate and say: “Thank you very much.”? That is exactly what the PAYE system is. Why should we not be paid our gross salary and then in a completely separate transaction on another day perhaps make our payment of taxes to the Government? That would certainly keep the borax on Government spending. 
I am tired of waiting for some parents to demonstrate even a glimpse of personal responsibility in return for the investment that the State makes in them. When assistance intended for children is siphoned away from children’s needs into the immediate wants of the adults the State has every single right to intervene. The delivery mechanisms for all State assistance must be examined. 
To the best of my knowledge I have no Maori blood in me whatsoever. My neck is occasionally red but that is from the Hawke’s Bay sun or from failing to put the No. 30 sunblock on. On the marae at Waimarama I feel the love the energy and perhaps the life force that is driving me to learn and discover so much more. But I also ask as I begin to recognise and acknowledge the place that Maori have in our culture that it be recognised that I too am deeply rooted into and anchored to this great land. It is my home. 
New Zealand apple-growers are paying dearly for an Australian domestic political problem. Normally I admire and respect the Aussies for their hard attitude. But the blocking of New Zealand apple access is not fair. It is not in the spirit of CER and I will continue to fight for what is fair. 
New Zealand has an incredible environment. On our farm we have planted thousands of native trees created wetlands fenced off streams got rid of the possums and protected old Maori burial caves not because a law has been passed but because it is the right thing to do. I let people walk across our farm as long as they ask not because a law has been passed but because it is the right thing to do. That is the Kiwi way. 
My 15 minutes is nearly up. Have I mentioned to Dr Don Brash that I would like to put in an early bid to be Minister of Sport in 2011? I ask him to note that. 
 There is a new energy in this House. There is a new beginning. It is about pride it is about respect and it is about trust. It is about New Zealand. It is time to stop living in a New Zealand of rhetoric and old slogans. It is time to stop raving on about “premium this” and “value-added that” while current economic and social policies drive New Zealanders clutching one-way tickets into the departure lounge. If we do not address these issues immediately we will all be email grandparents. If people see my passion for New Zealand as naive and if they see my emotion for my country as a weakness then they are very wrong because those are my greatest strengths. Thank you very much. 
MOANA MACKEY (Labour) 
: 
 I am very pleased to take a call in this debate. Let me congratulate you Mr Deputy Speaker on your election and also Ross Robertson Ann Hartley and the Hon Margaret Wilson on the positions they continue to hold in this Parliament. I am sure they will serve the House extremely well. 
I would also like to pay tribute to the new members of this House. We have heard many maiden speeches already in the last week or so and I have enjoyed listening to all of them even though I have not agreed with most of them. It would appear that we are moving away from the long-held parliamentary convention of not making personal attacks or negative personal remarks in maiden speeches. I do think that is a shame. It is something that we need to keep an eye on lest it get away from us. Certainly when I made my maiden speech it was made very clear to me by the Rt Hon Jonathan Hunt that the convention was to talk about oneself and one’s aspirations and not to attack other members of this House for what they may or may not have done on the campaign trail. 
Firstly I would like to record my condolences to the Green Party and its members on the loss of their co-leader Rod Donald. I sat on the Justice and Electoral Committee; Mr Donald never ceased to amaze me with his incredible breadth and depth of knowledge on electoral law. He will be sorely missed on that point and for everything else as well. 
I would also like to record my condolences at the loss of David Lange. As I grew up in a Labour Party household David Lange played a fairly significant part not just in politics but also because my father graduated in law at Auckland University and David Lange was one of the people who mentored him. My father still has in his possession a matchbox that David Lange wrote a brief on the back of to help him out at one of his first trials. 
I also remember the 1996 campaign. I went back home from university to help campaign with my mother and David Lange came to help out. He went out to my old intermediate school and talked about Telecom New Zealand. One of the students asked him whether he had met Spot the Telecom dog. David Lange replied to a hall full of five hundred 10 and 11-year-olds: “If I ever saw Spot the Telecom dog I would kick him!”. He then went on to explain eloquently why he disagreed with the commercialisation of telecommunications but I fear that that part of it was lost on the 10 and 11-year-olds at Ilminster Intermediate. 
I would like to talk briefly about one of the key policies for Labour in this election campaign which is the policy of charging no interest on student loans. I see that Dr the Hon Lockwood Smith is in the House. I heard him make his speech last week and refer to himself as the proud architect of the student loan policy. Well when I was at university Dr Lockwood Smith was so proud of his student loans policy that he was climbing out of the windows of university buildings in order to avoid talking to students about it. If one had had a student loan at the time one would understand why that was the case. 
Under Dr Lockwood Smith’s scheme my compulsory repayments did not even come close to covering the interest on my student loan. When I left university my student loan ended up being thousands more dollars than the amount I had actually borrowed at the time despite my being a full-time student for that entire period. 
Under the scheme of Dr Lockwood Smith and the National Party which they are so proud of some graduates faced the very real prospect of never ever paying off their student loans. Many graduates knew they would probably die still with their student loan having paid to the Government over the course of their lifetime 10 percent of every single dollar they earned in order to cover the interest. 
Removing interest repayments from student loans will make a real difference to young people in this country. The National Party tries to tell us that 100 percent of enrolled students will now go and max out their loans— 
Dr the Hon Lockwood Smith 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. If the Labour member is going to attribute things to another member in this House she should at least take the trouble to get them accurate. She made a statement a moment ago that under a student loan scheme I designed interest that was not covered by payments made accumulated— 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: That is not a point of order. That can be corrected at the end of the speech. 
Dr the Hon Lockwood Smith 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. If she is going to bring a member into it— 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Yes the member would like assurance. 
Dr the Hon Lockwood Smith 
: She should not do that. If she is talking about the policy in general there is no problem but if she brings me into it personally she should get the information correct. Her information was false. 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Thank you Dr Smith. 
MOANA MACKEY 
: Well I will mention that to the Inland Revenue Department who charged me all that interest then! 
The National Party is trying to tell us that 100 percent of all enrolled students will now max out their student loans particularly the living allowance portion because of this policy. But of course more than half of the enrolled students study part time so they are not actually eligible for the living allowance portion of the loan. If they study part year part time they also are not eligible for the course costs; they are eligible to have only their fees paid by the student loan which goes directly to the tertiary institution. 
Those who do study full time could potentially take out that weekly living allowance and invest it if that is what they wanted to do—but they could do that now. There is no interest now on loans while students study. If they wanted to they could take out that money and invest it. Then when they graduate they could pay back the loan they borrowed and keep the interest. In fact that is what the National Party said would happen when Labour introduced a policy of having no interest on student loans for students while they were studying full time. Now we hear from the National Party that no one will pay it back because with the incentive of the accumulating interest there would be no incentive in order for people to make voluntary repayments. 
As someone who actually has a student loan which will be gone by the time this policy is implemented I can say that the interest on my student loan was the biggest disincentive to making any voluntary repayments that there was. The biggest incentive to making a voluntary payment on a student loan is finally seeing a light at the end of the tunnel and realising that in a few months’ time one will get back 10 percent of one’s salary which one has not seen since 1996 despite the fact that in that time one has repaid the student loan—the value actually borrowed—three times over in interest alone. If charging interest was a disincentive against borrowing and an incentive to pay back we would not have the credit card debt in this country that we have now. 
One of the important things about this policy which really goes untalked about is that it provides an incentive for graduates to remain in New Zealand. I have a number of friends overseas who said to me over the course of the election campaign that if Labour were elected they would return to New Zealand under the amnesty period promised by this Government in order to straighten out their student loans and come and get a job back in New Zealand. We have heard a lot of National Party members talking in their maiden speech about those people who were overseas. So I am surprised that they do not support such a bold move which will incentivise people to return home to New Zealand and to stay in New Zealand following graduation in order to pay the loan off. 
This policy very much fits into the vision of this Labour-led Government and I am proud to stand here as a member of this third-term Labour-led Government. I congratulate the Rt Hon Helen Clark on the fantastic job she did in what at times was a very nasty and a very underhand election campaign. This Government represents all New Zealanders. We went into the election campaign wanting to represent every single New Zealander in this country. We did not pick and choose which New Zealanders we thought deserved representation. We decided that a Government in New Zealand should aim to represent everyone even though not everyone necessarily agreed with us on everything. 
We are a Government that chooses not to pit New Zealanders against New Zealanders and it amazes me that the National Party a party that showed such disdain to significant numbers of New Zealanders in our society during the campaign can claim to be nation-builders. How can a party that had such backward and offensive views on Maori—and I heard them during the election campaign—claim to be the party that will solve race relations in New Zealand? 
It has been interesting to watch the mutual admiration society forming between the National Party and the Maori Party. I had no doubt during the campaign—and the eradicator is chipping in; I mentioned the word “Maori” and he rose to his feet—that the Maori Party could go with the National Party. I was called a liar for saying that but I have been proven right. I had no doubt that National would backtrack on everything it said in the Orewa speech in order to get power. 
National talked a lot about the mainstream. And what did the mainstream mean? It meant the Exclusive Brethren. National claimed not to be concerned about the fact the Exclusive Brethren were helping out. Why then did Dr Brash lie about meeting with representatives of the Exclusive Brethren if he was not concerned about it? 
The reality is that Dr Brash’s idea of a non-mainstream New Zealander is anyone who does not look or sound like Dr Brash and who stubbornly refuses to look and sound like Dr Brash. It is those pesky women who think that it is not enough that we gave them the vote 100 years ago but now actually want to be paid the same as men as well; it is those selfish union members who cannot understand that somehow losing pay and conditions is good for the country; and it is those Maori with their fake war dances and poking out of tongues who will not accept that their lives would be so much better if they behaved and acted like Pakeha. Anyone who is not mainstream or who does not hold National Party mainstream values is PC. 
What was the National Party’s answer? It was the eradicator—the right-wing superhero eradicator upholding the rights of the white and the privileged across New Zealand; upholding one law for all. Why then is it OK to give Dr Mapp that job because his wife is a Maori but not OK to give anyone else a job because he or she is Maori? Why was I told by a local member of the National Party that the National Party’s constitution says that one has to be a member of the National Party for a prerequisite number of years before one can be a candidate unless one is a Maori; that if one is a Maori then that prerequisite can be waived? 
Why is it that karakia are PC but Christian prayers are not? Apparently according to Dr Mapp Christianity is part of our history but Maori language is not. Why if race does not matter and is not an important factor does Dr Brash feel compelled to tell everyone of non-European descent that his wife is from Singapore? There is a word I am not allowed to mention to describe the National Party and this country can feel very pleased that it has a third-term Labour-led Government. 
GORDON COPELAND (United Future) 
: 
 I am going to talk tonight about productivity. Buried in the Speech from the Throne—we are now in the Address in Reply debate to that speech—there is a reference to the confidence and supply agreement between the Labour Party and United Future. I will quote from that agreement. It states: “The Labour-led Government has agreed during this term of Parliament to adopt and implement the following broad principles policies and priorities advanced by United Future … a review of the current business taxation regimes with the view of ensuring the system works to give better incentives for productivity gains and improved competitiveness with Australia.” 
The reference to improved competitiveness with Australia takes us immediately to the question of the corporate tax rate. Australia’s rate is currently 30 percent; ours is 33 percent. It is interesting to look back at the position the various parties held in relation to the company tax rate during the election campaign. Labour’s was straightforward: no way it is not going to happen. The Greens’ was straightforward: no way it is not going to happen. National’s was: well maybe but not until 2008. New Zealand First’s was a 20 percent tax rate on profits derived from increasing exports. Jim Anderton’s Progressive was to cut the rate now and to 30 percent. The Maori Party’s was also to cut the rate now—I must say that that came from Monty Ohia and I am not too sure what rate he was referring to; we might be enlightened on that later. ACT’s was to cut the rate to 25 percent. United Future’s was to cut the rate now to 30 percent provide a 2-year tax holiday for new business start-ups and pay a 1 percent commission on net GST collectable up to the first $200000 per annum. 
Rodney Hide 
: Yeah what happened to that? 
GORDON COPELAND 
: It is in the agreement. It is going to happen. 
Therefore the fact that all four parties in the unlikely alliance of Jim Anderton’s Progressive on the extreme left the ACT party on the extreme right and the Maori Party and United Future in the middle are calling for immediate tax cuts actually means we will make some progress in this Parliament due to our presence here. We might have had fairly small pickings in the election result but that particular policy of those small parties will now be picked up and advanced by this Parliament. I invite the National Party—because Labour has wisely come to the conclusion that this needs to happen—to also decide it should happen and happen fast. I invite that party tonight to put its shoulder to the wheel and make sure that New Zealand companies get a reduction in their tax rate as soon as possible. 
There is of course a direct relationship between a lower tax rate and productivity gains. If we think it through we come to the conclusion that a lower tax rate for companies will incentivise companies to retain more of their profit within the company which will lower the cost of capital and give them more funds to invest especially when compared with the personal income tax rate of 33c or 39c. That will give a spur to additional investment and therefore to additional productivity. 
Productivity emerges very strongly in the OECD’s employment statistics for 2005 and those statistics are not encouraging with regard to New Zealand’s performance. New Zealand now has the highest workforce participation rate of any OECD nation. We work longer hours than the OECD average but our productivity per worker is just US$26.40 per hour compared with the OECD average of US$34 an hour which is also the productivity rate for Australia. In other words we are significantly off the pace in terms of productivity per worker compared with that average and compared with Australia. More worrying however is the productivity trend in New Zealand compared with our major competitors. Over the 14-year period 1990 to 2004 the annual compound productivity growth rate for New Zealand was just 1.2 percent per annum compared with 2.2 percent in Australia and 2.6 percent in the United Kingdom. There in a nutshell we have the reason why those two countries have long since passed our standard of living. I remember that when I was younger on a per capita basis we were actually the third wealthiest country on the planet. We are now down to 24th. Australia and the United Kingdom were quite some distance behind us in 1972; now they are way in front of us. In essence that is the reason why the standard of living for New Zealand has declined during that period relative to the other countries I have mentioned. 
I therefore want to outline tonight some immediate steps that New Zealand needs to—and indeed must—take to increase productivity. Firstly we need to take the message that productivity should now be a key priority to the hundreds of thousands of farms and businesses large and small in New Zealand. Secondly we need to involve the unions in a new strategy that would link wage rates directly to productivity gains. That is what they did in Australia in the early 1990s and that is what has made the difference between our two countries since then. It is very important that that message be accepted by unions and other employee representatives of this country. It is also very important that companies themselves—the employers—make that link. I know for example of some instances where companies have used new technology; they have put in good mechanical systems made investments and increased productivity. At the same time as the result of all that happening they have downsized their workforces but they have failed to deliver any appreciable wage increase to the remaining staff members. 
I believe that that mentality needs to change and needs to change fast. Simply stated both business employers and their employees need to agree that the objective for the foreseeable future needs to be productivity growth followed by real wage growth. That will be followed of course by a higher standard of living for all New Zealanders. It is the only way forward. It is the only way we will return to First World standards in terms of health and education for our country. It is fundamental to our future progress and that point was made very eloquently in the Speech from the Throne. 
In addition the Government needs to do its part. The Allen report tells us that Auckland roading congestion is costing the economy there $1 billion per annum and the figure for Wellington was put at $150 million per annum although both figures are now somewhat out of date. If we put them together we see that the decongestion of roading in those two cities alone would yield immediate productivity gains in the order of $1.25 billion per annum. Why do we not just get on and do it? If we need to speed it up why do we not borrow the funds to do it? There is no reason why not. Productivity gains actually give us the cash flow and the tax revenue to repay such a loan and on this issue Dr Michael Cullen is adopting a completely unorthodox approach to roading by insisting that it must be paid for from current revenue. The orthodox approach to any investment of that sort is to borrow the money and repay it over 30 years and I make a plea tonight that he adopt such a policy forthwith. 
Let us also talk about compliance costs. We need reform desperately in this area. I put it to the House that we need a task force or similar to objectively examine the compliance cost burden on New Zealand businesses. It could be a cross-party task force—it does not matter just let us get the job done—and we should follow that with a razor gang to bring legislation to Parliament that would cut red tape and bureaucracy across the board. We have lumbered New Zealand business with so much in terms of compliance costs that many companies have become risk-averse which is the very thing that will kill productivity growth and prosperity. Boards of directors now tell me they spend a lot of their time on governance matters trying to adhere to all the regulation we have heaped on them to the exclusion of traditional entrepreneurial risk-taking and growth. That is a tragedy for New Zealand business and New Zealand farmers. 
Paying GST is an example. It has nothing to do with the essence of running a business—businesses are simply unpaid tax collectors for the Government. We should recognise that I believe by giving them a 1 percent commission on the GST they collect up to $200000 a year. 
Productivity is the silver bullet that will deliver rapid economic growth without inflation. This point has been made repeatedly by Dr Alan Bollard the Governor of the Reserve Bank. It is the silver bullet. If we get productivity gains we can have growth without inflation. That has been done in the USA the UK and Australia so why not in New Zealand? All of us in this Parliament should resolve to make this a priority for the next 3 years and I again invite all parties to cooperate fully with the review initiated by the Minister of Revenue the Rt Hon Peter Dunne—I should say the Hon Peter Dunne as he is not yet a Privy Counsellor; that is tomorrow’s announcement I think—so that we can start to move our nation in the right direction for the benefit of all its citizens. 
Hon DAVID CARTER (National) 
: 
 I extend my congratulations to you Mr Deputy Speaker on your appointment. I also congratulate the other presiding officers of this House. 
I want to start my contribution in the Address in Reply debate by acknowledging the sudden passing of Rod Donald. I competed against Rod Donald on four occasions in the Banks Peninsula electorate. I guess if I consider the first occasion when I campaigned in 1993 it was effectively like another campaign against Rod Donald because of course he was so involved in electoral reform at that time. I guess it is fair to say that I disagreed with Rod on most things he said but I never—not on any occasion at all—shared a cross word with him. I extend my sympathy to Nicola who has been a courageous woman and who has displayed her courage to all New Zealanders over the last couple of weeks and to Holly Emma and Zoe three gorgeous children who now have to move on but they will do so without a father. My deepest sympathy goes to the Donald family. 
Move on we all must. So the National caucus will also move on and I say it is really exciting to be back in this Parliament as a member of the National caucus so buoyed with twice as many members as we had last time. We see excitement and enthusiasm every time our caucus assembles in the caucus room. We are going to enjoy the next period of this Parliament. Some people say it will be for 3 years. I do not think it has a dog’s show of lasting 3 years and we will enjoy every minute as we set about destroying the current Labour - New Zealand First Government. 
I want specifically to welcome within the huge intake into the National caucus those people who come from my area of Canterbury-Westland. I pay tribute to Nicky Wagner who delivered her maiden speech tonight to Kate Wilkinson who delivered a superb speech the other night to Colin King and to Chris Auchinvole. Let us face it—Christchurch is an area in which National must poll better if it is to be the Government at the next election and with that sort of team we intend to do so. 
I also welcome to Parliament the Maori Party. I got to know Tariana Turia when we travelled overseas on a parliamentary trip in I think 1999. She is a person I would describe as having gutsy determination. She took the hard decision when she disagreed with what the Labour caucus was doing. Unlike other members of the Maori caucus Tariana Turia actually took the hard decisions and formed the Maori Party and I say to this House that that party is here for as long as we have MMP as our electoral system. It is a party that I guarantee will not be left-leaning because it will not be interested in the wealth distribution that the Labour Party stands for. We will see the Maori Party become passionately involved in the betterment of Maori and it will do that by promoting policies that lead to wealth creation. I look forward to those days. 
I want to thank Don Brash for his recent portfolio allocations. I am delighted to be back with the role of agriculture spokesperson and I also welcome the chance now to be the tourism spokesperson. Those two industries have so much in common. The same type of entrepreneurial hardworking people get involved in those industries—people who just want to get on and make a buck for themselves and who want to do it without perpetual Government interference. That is something that the Labour Party just fails to understand. So to the agriculture team I welcome my associates Craig Foss who also delivered a superb speech tonight and of course Nathan Guy. To the tourism team I welcome my associate Chris Auchinvole. I look forward to working with those guys because we have one target in front of us which of course is the current Labour - New Zealand First Government. 
I also take this opportunity to acknowledge some people who did not make it into our caucus. I acknowledge all our unsuccessful candidates and I want to mention a couple of them tonight. One is David Round a person who came into our party and campaigned in the tough territory of Christchurch East. He would be a very valuable addition to our caucus and I hope he stays involved because at the next election which could be anytime soon we will have him as a member of our caucus. I acknowledge in the gallery tonight Katrina Shanks who was nearly here as part of our team. If she is prepared to stick with it she can be part of our team next time. I also note Roger Bridge in the gallery. He is a very close personal friend of mine my best political adviser and also the chair of the Canterbury-Westland region of the National Party. I say thank you to him because he is so typical of the many people who make democracy work. Those people are not paid for the role they play in political parties; they give of their time freely and at a cost to themselves to make sure we have a democratic process. 
I move to the election result itself and the disastrous system of MMP. No one won the last election. If Labour members and Helen Clark think they can claim victory from that election result then they are deluding themselves. The appearance of Helen Clark on election night said it all. The old lemon-sucker look was back permanently etched on her face as she knew she would have difficulty forming a Government. 
But no worries—Helen Clark was not interested in the national interest. [ 
Interruption 
] She threw all that to one side I tell Marian Hobbs and out of personal interest she grabbed the only cab on the rank without principles and gave the bauble of power not to New Zealand First but to Winston Peters. That was all that was necessary to deliver the votes of New Zealand First. Is Ron Mark a Minister out of that arrangement? He would have been a very good Minister but he did not get there. Brian Donnelly would have been a superb Minister but he did not get there because Winston Peters himself grabbed the only bauble necessary—and now he in conjunction with Helen Clark is moving around the world making New Zealand look like a laughing stock. How can we have a foreign Minister who on Tuesday says he wants to be part of the Government but by Wednesday and Thursday says he wants to be part of the Opposition? It is unworkable. It will not last 3 years. I look forward to putting up the hoardings in the not too distant future. 
But there is one other issue I want to comment on in the time that is left and it is tax. It has been mentioned already by a couple of members tonight. With the Treasury revelation of an $8 billion surplus Mr Cullen is burying his head in the sand if he does not realise that New Zealanders know darn well we are overtaxed. He can make every effort to deny that debate until the next election but New Zealanders will not lose sight of the fact that we are now so heavily overtaxed we are driving talented young New Zealanders offshore when they should be staying here and making a contribution to this country. 
Tomorrow night we will have a vote on this debate and on the no-confidence motion moved by Don Brash. It will be interesting to see the way the parties vote. I suspect they will not vote according to their election campaigns. New Zealand First campaigned on tax reductions so will it vote for the continuation of this high tax regime? It looks like it; there is silence. United Future campaigned on tax reductions so will it vote to continue a high tax regime—the highest in this part of the world? 
Lindsay Tisch 
: I bet they do. 
Hon DAVID CARTER 
: I bet they do. Gordon Copeland said a minute ago that he would deliver. Do members know what he will deliver? He will not deliver lower taxes; he will deliver a review. Well what a cop-out for United Future—what a cop-out for New Zealand First! All Winston Peters wanted was the bauble and the chance to travel over the 3 years and we will continue to ask what beyond that is the arrangement that he managed today to extract from Helen Clark. I think that that member completely let down not only the voters of this country not only the voters of New Zealand First but every member of the New Zealand First caucus. 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY (Minister of Education) 
: 
 I begin the same way that most speakers have started and that is by congratulating Madam Speaker congratulating you Mr Deputy Speaker and Ann Hartley and Ross Robertson. We look forward to working with you over the next 3 years. I am sure that we are in very good hands with all of you. 
I want to make one other acknowledgment if I can and that is to my wife Liz. During the last term of Parliament my wife Liz died and this is the first election I have fought without her. I have been involved in elections with Liz since 1984. It was a very strange experience to go through this election without her and I could not let the occasion of the beginning of the new Parliament go without acknowledging her and thanking her for all she has done for me in the past. 
I want to acknowledge Rod Donald’s family. I have heard a lot of the acknowledgments to Rod. He was someone I knew as an acquaintance around the House—someone whom I thought took very strong stands on a range of issues and someone who deserved the accolades he has been given over the last little while. I want to mention his family Nicola and the children. It is one thing of course to lose one’s partner in life; it is another thing to have to grieve in public. One of the things I want to say to the Green Party who I know have supported Nicola through this is that this is one of the most incredibly difficult things to do. I think she deserves a great deal of admiration along with the family for the way they have shared Rod with others during this time and have been such an obviously strong and magnificent group of people. So my acknowledgements go to them as well. 
We are at the beginning of a new Parliament when speakers as they have shown in this debate map out where they hope their parties will go and how they might contribute. This is a time when people give their maiden speeches which are sad to say one of the few occasions when people do speak seriously in this House about their ambitions for themselves for their parties and for their country. They do it in a considered way and these are often the best speeches we ever hear from each other in this House. But we do have an opportunity on major occasions like this when we are thinking about the Speech from the Throne to reflect on how we either agree and want to advance that vision or on how we disagree and how we want to provide some kind of alternative. It has been interesting to listen to what people have to say. 
I want to say for myself that I am absolutely committed over the next 3 years to a very simple vision. I want to be part of trying to ensure that we fully embed in this country what we have now come to call in a rather hackneyed way a knowledge-based society. What does that mean in practice? It simply means that we want to have more people in this country producing more knowledge and we want to apply it in everything we do. That is a transformation of our country. That is a very different kind of country. The kind of country I grew up in was of course one that was based upon low skills and low wages producing commodities. We were a very different kind of society from the one we need to be now. Over the last little while people right across this House and in fact right across the world have come to agree that if we want to succeed in the 21st century that is the way we need to organise our countries. That is where the policies should go. But the big challenge for us in this House is not to try to invent a new formula for success in the 21st century; it is to ask how we do it in a relatively isolated country—it is a long way from other countries—that has a long skinny geography a small population relative to the land mass we occupy and a particular kind of configuration of population with particular kinds of identities. How do we make our way along the road to this formula of being a knowledge-based society? I want to reflect on that this evening. 
The first thing I think we have to think about obviously is our economy. I look across at my friend Dr Lockwood Smith. We argue now and again but one of the things he has advocated I think rightly during his political career has been the agricultural base of our economy. We are more broadly speaking a biological economy. We have at times lost the plot in this country when we have forgotten that we are a biological economy that we make most of our money from being a biological economy and that we must focus on doing everything we can to make that an efficient and effective part of our economy as we go forward. But the trick of course is to add on top of that biological economy the research science and technology that allows us to take a leap upwards so that we produce more from that economy and start producing new kinds of products completely out of such things as biotechnology. That will take us into an era when we can earn more from what we have here in a way that we did not do last century. 
On top of that we have to start thinking about what we are going to do that is new. We cannot do the things the Chinese or the Indians do. They are going to run large economies with large factories doing things that we simply cannot compete with. We have to find niches for products and services that are special different and able to be transported easily and we are beginning to do that in areas like software which I think is a major victory. We know that that is broadly speaking the kind of economy we have to build—that is our special kind of economy and that is what we should be focusing on again in the next 3 years. There are other issues of course. We do not save enough as a country. We should save more. We know that our Auckland economy has to be different from the rest of New Zealand. It has to be an urban economy doing things that belong to a large urban configuration and that means we will have to solve problems like its transport problems over the next 3 years so that it can be an effective urban-based economy. 
The second area I think is social. We must focus on education. Education is the No. 1 priority for this country. We are simply not equipped as people to be part of the kind of society I have just been talking about. Unless our young people come through the world’s best education system stay in education and leave from our compulsory schooling system to go on to further education we will not be equipped in the way we all need to be. Education must remain a joint No. 1 priority for this particular nation. I want to say that the family is something we should reassert. I have applauded the fact that United Future made this into an issue in the House. Like most members I have always understood that the family is the fundamental institution. United Future I think has done a good job of moving that issue to centre stage and saying that families break up too much and that kids do matter. We should ensure that no matter what happens with the family those children have the support emotionally and financially of their parents for the rest of their lives. These should not be tradable options. There are too many New Zealanders who do not do this kind of thing. But it was a trait of this country and we should assert that it is essential and make sure it comes back. 
Community is the other part of this. There is something special about New Zealanders. The concept of social capital that we often talk about is not something that other countries have much of. New Zealanders still volunteer. New Zealanders still help their neighbours. New Zealanders still talk about community and actually mean it. We should reassert that. We should make sure that it stays part of what we do as New Zealanders. 
Diversity of population is another issue that interests me a great deal. We are now one of the most diverse countries on earth and we should like it. It is a comparative advantage for us as a nation and we should applaud and strengthen our support for the many people who make this country their home. Maori development is something we should get on with. As my friend Shane Jones said it is time to get over the grievance and get on with the development. We want jobs housing families that are strong kids who are educated and businesses. 
The environment should be one of the most special values of being a New Zealander. We live in a unique environment. It differentiates us from the rest of the world. Our stewardship of our environment should become one of the defining features of all young New Zealand children who should grow up knowing that they are the stewards of the most beautiful part of this world. It should be part of their personality. We must invest in infrastructure such as broadband—because we are a long skinny country—to take us to the rest of the world. We must invest in our roads. We should invest in innovation. 
Our creative industries—film music dance painting or whatever industry it is—now define us so well. We have become a uniquely innovative creative nation. We should use that feed it through everything we do and celebrate the fact that we are becoming one of the most creative nations on earth. That will define us in the 21st century. We should be independent. We should stand on our own two feet. We should define what we think New Zealanders are about. We should tell the rest of the world what our opinions are. We should be robust as a nation and not say to ourselves that other people are bigger and therefore know best. We are doing quite fine in defining ourselves and being independent should be a characteristic for us as well. 
As I said the beginning of a new Parliament is a time to define what we will do to make a difference over the next 3 years. I said in my last speech to the House before we went to the election that it is a very special privilege to lead this nation. Over the next 3 years let us do it. 
DAVE HEREORA (Labour) 
: 
 E tu ahau ki te mihi nui ki a tatou o nga tangata kei roto i tenei Whare Paremata no reira tena koutou tena koutou tena koutou katoa. 
[ 
I rise to extend a huge greeting to us all the people in this House of Parliament and so greetings greetings and greetings to us all. 
] 
Mr Deputy Speaker I congratulate you on your election to the position of Deputy Speaker and I congratulate our Speaker and Assistant Speakers. I congratulate you all. I also take this opportunity to respond to the Speech from the Throne made by the Governor-General. But first I too would like to acknowledge the passing of our colleague the Rt Hon David Lange rangatira of the people and a person who had the ability to embrace our nation. I also acknowledge the recent passing of our colleague Rod Donald. I recall the article in the obituary section of the  
Dominion Post  
on Thursday 10 November that stated in bold letters “Integrity and honesty”. That I am certain described the very essence of Rod Donald. May those colleagues rest in peace. 
Re-entering this Chamber and this Parliament for a second term is indeed a privilege and I know that it is a privilege not often presented to many. Knowing full well that these debates are reported by Hansard and become historical records I also place on record my acknowledgment of the passing of my mum and dad. My mum Polly left us after a short illness in June this year and within 3 months my dad Tai Hota Hota followed her just 2 days after the general election. Obviously losing one parent is a huge loss but to lose both within a 3-month period has been devastating for my whanau. I also take this opportunity to mention the passing of my dear uncle Lyndsay Ewen Subritzky. He was 81 and we buried him yesterday. He was a very dear uncle. On behalf of my whanau I extend our sincerest thanks to all those who have extended their kind condolences and support. I assure them that it was much appreciated. Moku mama toku papa toku rangatira a Lyndsay ki a ratau haere atu ra haere atu ra haere atu ra. 
[ 
My mother my father and revered uncle Lyndsay: to all of them farewell journey on and goodbye 
.] 
I look forward to the coming term ahead. There are many challenges and there is much to do particularly within Maoridom. Moving out of grievance mode and into development mode has been a critical policy for Labour over the previous two terms and a real building block as we look towards moving Maoridom forward. In the past 6 years we have set that course and we need to take this opportunity to measure it. The recently released national unemployment rate figure is 3.4 percent but when Labour came into Government in December 1999 the rate was 6.2 percent. That is a huge reduction. If we compare that with the Maori statistics we see that in December 1999 the Maori unemployment rate was 14.4 percent. Today we are registering 9.1 percent. But although for the first time in 20 years the Maori unemployment rate is down to single digits we still have a long way to go. We need to use that figure as a continuing measure to determine whether we are indeed applying the right policies. 
We all know that employment encourages participation within the community and contributes to the economy. There is a need to uplift our skill base moving into the jobs that new technology demands matching the unemployment rate prioritising quality education and moving from dependence to independence. Homeownership through the KiwiSaver scheme is one of Labour’s key policies as is the acceleration of Treaty settlement applications. Those are just some of the policies that we intend to continue to administer. 
Health is another issue for Maori. In South Auckland 100000 school students are getting vaccinated to guard against the meningococcal B epidemic. The success of the Government’s largest-ever mass immunisation campaign has been a huge team effort involving schools staff students and parents and they all deserve the thanks. Last week marked a major milestone in the programme with 1 million young New Zealanders receiving the first of three jabs to fight the disease. Those are policies that Labour intends to continue to push this term. But we cannot do it on our own. We need some support and assurance from in particular our Maori colleagues across parties in this House. That I believe is the key to ensuring we make the necessary changes that need to happen. In saying that I was a bit disappointed particularly throughout the negotiations and in the formation of a new Government that the Maori Party actually considered joining in coalition with the National Party. 
Dr the Hon Lockwood Smith 
: They’re not socialists. 
DAVE HEREORA 
: Yes. For me that sent a very difficult signal. I wondered why the Maori Party would consider that. We all know that the National Party was pushing for the abolition of the Maori seats yet the Maori Party was looking for a coalition with it. I also could not understand the claim that Maori do not believe in mainstream. To this day I am still wondering why a coalition with National became a real option for the Maori Party particularly when we know that National’s leader stumbled through the election and continues to underperform in the House. I also know from looking around the House on a daily basis that the new Nats coming along are biting at Dr Brash’s heels. So we could be in for a change—we never know. The point I am making is that the Maori Party seeing the National Party as a real option sent out a very difficult signal particularly when we know that the supporters of the Maori Party supported Labour with their party votes. However it is important that we can get on together and enhance our relationship so that we can achieve the things we want to achieve. To that end I congratulate Dr Pita Sharples on his elevation to deputy chair of the Maori Affairs Committee. I look forward to working with all the members of the committee to ensure that we get on with the job that we need to get on with. 
 I want to acknowledge a few people at this time particularly those who helped me throughout the election campaign in Clevedon. But firstly I would like to extend my congratulations to Judith Collins on her success in that campaign. I would like to thank our unions particularly the Service and Food Workers Union the Engineering Printing and Manufacturing Union and all the unions associated with the New Zealand Council of Trade Unions for their help and assistance not only during the election but before and after. So I extend that acknowledgement and a huge thank you to them. I also acknowledge members of my campaign team for their help. It was a long hard campaign but they were prepared to give full support and commitment to it and I extend my most sincere thanks and appreciation to them. 
So we are now in a third term. We are looking at the real option of trying to make it a fourth term next time round and I understand that that could be a reality in 2008. To make that a reality we will need only to continue with the work we have been doing. We have done a lot for New Zealanders to ensure that there is a balance and we will continue to ensure that there is a balance particularly for those people who are in need. 
No reira kua mutu taku korero i tenei wa nei a tena koutou tena koutou tena tatou. 
[ 
And so I end my address here at this point in time. Greetings to you and to us collectively 
.] 
Dr the Hon LOCKWOOD SMITH (National—Rodney) 
: 
 Mr Deputy Speaker I extend to you my congratulations on your election to the position. It is richly deserved. 
On 17 September this year the people of New Zealand voted. One of the things that has always been really important to me is that when I vote I believe I am voting for someone who is going to govern my country. The sad reality of the election this year was that the people of New Zealand voted but they did not choose who was going to govern this country. No one person in New Zealand decided who was going to govern this country. 
Lindsay Tisch 
: Who was that? Tell us. 
Dr the Hon LOCKWOOD SMITH 
: That one person was the Rt Hon Winston Peters. Because the team in this House led by Helen Clark’s Labour Party had behind it 57 seats and the team led by Don Brash and the National Party had behind it 57 seats the Rt Hon Winston Peters had the choice to go with either side. The people of New Zealand sadly did not have the chance to elect their Government. That power fell to one person: Winston Peters. 
The people of New Zealand should not forget that as we watch the shambles of this Government unfolding before us. The first thing that happened was that Winston Peters said that Helen Clark had offered him the role of Minister of Foreign Affairs—and of course someone has to do it. What did Helen Clark say? Helen Clark said that Winston Peters had asked for the foreign affairs role. They cannot both be telling the truth. Either Helen Clark or Winston Peters is not telling the truth and the people of New Zealand ought to be highly suspicious of this cobbled-together Government when the very first things that are uttered cannot be the truth. Either Helen Clark or Winston Peters cannot be telling the truth because those two statements are incompatible. 
I am not totally surprised by the cobbling together of this shambolic Government because we all know that it is Winston Peters’ swansong. He has just booted in the guts his loyal New Zealand First members. Ron Mark and Pita Paraone are loyal men who deserve better treatment. Brian Donnelly deserved a ministerial role if New Zealand First was going to go into Government. But no Winston Peters just booted them in the guts because it is his swansong and Winston wanted to have a swansong that would give him the chance to do other things. Of course we also know that Helen Clark had her particular ambitions too that had nothing to do with the future of this country. Helen desperately wanted a third term— 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Please use members’ full names. 
Dr the Hon LOCKWOOD SMITH 
: I beg your pardon Mr Deputy Speaker. Ms Helen Clark desperately wanted a third term in this Parliament and the two blind ambitions met in the middle. The Rt Hon Winston Peters—or the “bauble man” as some call him—wanted a swansong and Ms Helen Clark desperately wanted a third term in Government. How convenient! 
What has been the reality of this “Clark-Peters Government” in practice? Well the first thing is that Mr Winston Peters in foreign affairs wants to repair our relationship with the United States of America. What did Helen Clark say? She said there was nothing wrong with our relationship with the United States of America. Well they seem to have a difference of view there. Then Mr Winston Peters said: “I’m going to ask Australia to help us repair our relationship with the United States of America.” Helen Clark said that New Zealand was not going to ask Australia to help us repair our relationship with anyone. She said that we were capable of standing on our own feet in foreign affairs. It is little wonder that Alexander Downer Australia’s Foreign Minister had to ask the Hon Phil Goff now Minister of Trade who on earth was in charge of foreign policy in New Zealand under this shambolic Government. I know Alexander Downer pretty well he is a pretty smart bloke but it is little wonder he had to ask who the hell was running the ship in New Zealand when it comes to foreign affairs. The sad thing is that the world—at least that bit of the world that actually takes much notice of New Zealand—just had confirmed to it further that New Zealand has lost the plot. The respect that New Zealand once had around the world again just dropped another notch or two. 
It is not just the Rt Hon Winston Peters who is caught in this mess; of course the Hon Peter Dunne the leader of United Future got sucked into these shonky arrangements as well. Just like Mr Winston Peters he is meant to support the Labour Government on issues in his area of portfolio responsibility. What happened the other day on a Radio New Zealand  
Checkpoint 
 interview? The interviewer—Mary Wilson I think it was if I look at the transcript—asked Peter Dunne: “… you do want the carbon tax scrapped?”. What did the Hon Peter Dunne say? He said: “Well our view is that the carbon tax is unworkable”. The support agreement is that the Hon Peter Dunne in his portfolio area of revenue and taxation matters speaks for the Government and he said: “… our view is that the carbon tax is unworkable”. Is that the Government’s position now because Peter Dunne is meant to speak for the Government on tax matters? Is it? Will Rick Barker confirm that? Will Damien O’Connor confirm that that is the Labour Government’s position? Because their Minister of Revenue has told New Zealanders that that is the position. Or is it not? 
Under this shambolic Government no one knows what on earth what different Ministers say means. I suspect that it is so shambolic that supply agreements do not mean anything; that Peter Dunne was probably speaking as Peter Dunne leader of United Future because immediately Michael Cullen the Minister of Finance said: “Well if that goes so too will the adjustments to the income tax thresholds.” and Peter Dunne said: “Whoops we can’t have that.” We can see the shambles. It is an absolute shambles under this new cobbled-together “Clark-Peters Government” and it is a sad thing for New Zealand because the people of New Zealand did not vote for this Government. This Government was chosen by Winston Peters. 
In my concluding moments I want to refer to something else and that is the appalling standards that have developed under this Labour-led Government. We all know that it goes back to the days when Helen Clark was happy to commit fraud over a painting. We all know she put the knife in the back of a Commissioner of Police that she screwed him by talking secretly to the media behind his back. We know she let her drivers take the flak when they carried her at speed halfway across the South Island. 
Those low standards have been carried on by the Hon Taito Phillip Field who has brought this Labour Government to a new low level. It is just staggering when we look at what he has done. In February this year he asked the Associate Minister of Immigration for special direction to grant work permits to a Thai couple Sunan Siriwan and his wife Luck who had actually claimed refugee status had failed and had stayed illegally in New Zealand. Mr Field then flew them to Samoa and got them to do tiling work on his holiday home in Samoa under a work permit obtained by his wife. 
The then Minister of Foreign Affairs and Trade Phil Goff visited the home of Phillip Field in Samoa with officials and Samoan police. What did Phil Goff say to the then Associate Minister of Immigration Damien O’Connor about the appropriateness of what Taito Phillip Field was doing? Phil Goff should have known that that was outrageous and that it was bringing immigration in New Zealand to a new low level. What did Phil Goff do? This Parliament deserves to know because Phil Goff visited Paul Swain visited Ross Robertson visited and so did officials and the Samoan police. So it is not as if they were just casual visits. What did Mr Goff tell the then Associate Minister of Immigration about the appropriateness of what Taito Phillip Field was doing? A bad odour is now surrounding this Labour-led Government. 
GEORGINA BEYER (Labour) 
: 
 What a pleasure and privilege it is to contribute to this Address in Reply debate in response to the Speech from the Throne. I will begin as most colleagues have by congratulating you Mr Deputy Speaker on your appointment; the Hon Margaret Wilson of course on her appointment as Madam Speaker and also Ross Robertson and Ann Hartley too on their elected positions of presiding officers of this House. It is never an easy task but all execute it extremely well and we should all be grateful for that. I would like to pay my respects to the Governor-General. Her delivery of the Speech from the Throne was appropriate and maintained the integrity and dignity of the position that she holds which is that of our head of State in the absence of Her Majesty the Queen. 
I would like also to thank those people who assisted me during the election in my efforts on behalf of the Labour Party. I particularly pay my respects to the rainbow Labour sector of the New Zealand Labour Party. I would also like to acknowledge the Wairarapa Labour electorate committee. And while on the matter of the Wairarapa electorate may I also express my sincere gratitude and thanks to the constituents of my former electorate which I vacated at this last election and which has now been occupied with the election of John Hayes. I congratulate him upon that effort and achievement of arriving in Parliament. Notwithstanding matters that may cloud the beginning of his tenure as the member for Wairarapa I am encouraged to concede that we will work together on matters that are of general and major interest to the Wairarapa. That was the practice under my time as the local member when Mr Edwin Perry of New Zealand First was formerly a member of this House in the last term of Parliament. There are matters that transcend politics between parties sometimes when the good of the electorate that both members share an interest is to the fore. 
I have noted with some interest some of the aspirations that Mr Hayes has for the future of the Wairarapa. They are long-held aspirations and I dare say he will have become very knowledgable of the history over the last decade or so not only under my time as the local member in Wairarapa but also under that of Wyatt Creech. I did note also that in his maiden speech—which was a very good maiden speech in many respects although I did not agree with everything he had to say—he raised one issue about roading and putting a tunnel through the Rimutakas. I noted this morning on  
Morning Report  
that there was reference and the obvious potential danger should there be an earthquake in the Wellington area of Wellington being absolutely cut off should State Highway 1 not be sorted out via either Transmission Gully or the proposed coastal route. 
 That is interesting because of course one of the dynamics that has to be balanced when one is part of a region is the varying and diverse interests in this particular instance around transport funding. I believe that under my time as the local member for Wairarapa and under my predecessor the Hon Wyatt Creech we maintained the common vision of what we wanted to achieve as far as State Highway 2 connecting the Wellington region and the Wairarapa being improved over time. That has come to pass but there is more to be done. I look forward to the debate with our fellow colleagues in the region over how much of the funding we will be able to achieve in order that Mr Hayes’ aspirations for example might see the light of day. I remind him that these matters were traversed some time ago. No doubt Mr Creech will be able to inform him of that time as I also will be able to do. 
Of course the maiden speeches from new members are very interesting to listen to. They are enlightening they are informative and they give us a taste of the character of the person who has come in to the House. One speech I heard in the past days of maiden speeches tickled my fancy. I liked the cut of the speaker’s jib and the straight-up nature of his approach. That speaker would have to be Mr Clarkson. One little pearl one little gem I heard in that speech—which has been overlooked largely by the media compared with some of his other comments in his maiden speech—made reference to the affirmation of his masculinity: that he was all male. I am so pleased for Mr Clarkson that he is able to assert that. I was concerned only when it came to the point of thinking to myself: was there ever reason to question it in the first place? If there was may I offer my help—as we are all here to help—to that member any time he may have confusion over such matters. I am very pleased that he felt courageous enough to affirm his masculinity. 
It is something that should be done in this House. It has been tried by members previously in this Parliament and as I have said to them before I am here to help. I am most knowledgable about those things. I have to say of course that I got rid of both of them and that might have taken a bit more courage than Mr Clarkson just offering one—in a sort of lottery sense if you like. But no I appreciate that man’s sense of humour. It is a great sense of humour. I can see that he is laughing. He is trying to hold it back I know but we are allowed to laugh in this House when remarks of good humour are made. He can take a joke; I know that much—just as I can and as most of us can we hope from time to time. 
But the biggest joke would have to be that that party is sitting over there on the Opposition benches and that is not because of what Dr Lockwood Smith may have been purporting before but because New Zealanders understood that we did not want to go back to the tired old regime of a National-led Government. It was disastrous in the 1990s and the proposal for this particular term would have been equally disastrous because National was trying to buy the affection of the country with its tax cuts. Well the country thought about that a great deal I think when it came to this particular election and it thought that no it did not want to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Under a Labour-led Government over the last 6 years we have been able to achieve a great deal of repair to the damage that was wrought through the 1990s by the policies of that very party that now occupies a greater number of seats most certainly but not enough I tell Dr Smith to be able to make it over to this side of the House. 
Although that member may have stood in this House and regaled us with his grizzling and griping about why he purports that Mr Peters has been the kingmaker—or queenmaker in this particular instance on this side of the House—I say no. That particular gentleman the Rt Hon Winston Peters also gave great consideration to what was best for this country and for stable Government which as was mentioned in the Speech from the Throne has to be a foundation stone of what will make this Parliament successful in the business it conducts over the next 3 years under a Labour-led Government. 
Also in the Speech from the Throne were words of inclusion of tolerance of bringing all New Zealanders together and of moving forward together as one—not words of the divisive nature of some of the rhetoric we heard from opposition members during the course of the election because they would pit Maori against Maori and Maori against non-Maori in this country. 
 What on earth was in the mind of the Leader of the Opposition Don Brash when he handed what is now known as the role of the PC eradicator of the National Party to Dr Wayne Mapp? Dr Mapp has already said in his new position as spokesperson that he wishes to dismantle review or look at tearing apart the institutional instrument that is there for the protection of human rights in this country: the Human Rights Commission. Well I know that on the Government benches there is one person—me—who will be looking at particular aspects of human rights in this country that I believe are still not completely sufficiently—might I say—adequate and clearly set out in the law. I refer of course to my own bill—the Human Rights (Gender Identity) Amendment Bill. It is still alive; it still lies on the Order Paper. 
If there is one thing that this election brought up and it certainly curried favour there for the National Party it would have to be that mean-spirited nature. It was also evidenced by the conservative nature of some religious elements in this country. There were the Exclusive Brethren who do not vote and do not participate in politics apparently unless it is to help out—although it stands back from it—the National Party in this particular case. If there is one thing I can say about Brian Tamaki the Destiny Church and the Destiny New Zealand party it is that they are absolutely transparent in what they want and in what they see as their vision for this country. I do not entirely agree with it but I will give those people credit for being transparent—unlike the sinister and deceitful nature of the Exclusive Brethren and their actions in the last election. 
PITA PARAONE (NZ First) 
:  
A tena ano koe. Engari te mea tuatahi hiahia ana au ki te mihi atu ki tera o nga tokorua o te Whare nei i pa mai te ringa kaha o aitua. Na reira e te rangatira e Tahu korua ko Rod ko tenei te mihi atu ki a koutou i takahia te ara whanui i kawe atu i a koutou ki te kainga e ki nei te kainga tuturu mo tatou mo te tangata. He mihi tenei ki nga whanau koutou i mahue mai i mua i te hinga atu a era o nga tokorua nei. A i tenei wa i tukuna atu nga whakaaro aroha ki nga whanau ratou e noho ana i raro o te kakahu taratara. 
Na reira kua ea te wahi ma ratau ka hoki ki a tatau te hunga ora. Na reira te mea tuatahi e mihi kau ana ki nga mema i hoki mai i roto i te Whare nei tu atu i tena e mihi hoki ki nga mema hou kua tae mai nei i tenei ra. 
Engari e hiahia ana au ki te mihi atu ki tera o aku whanaunga karanga maha. E te tuahine mai i Tainui i roto i a Nahinara ko te tuakana mai i Ngai Takoto i roto i te Ropu Reipa a me era atu o nga whanaunga karanga maha i roto o te Ropu Maori ara mai i Te Aupouri mai i Rangiwewehi Ngati Kahu a me Kahungunu. 
Na reira tenei te mihi atu ki a koutou nga mema hou. 
[An interpretation in English was given to the House.]  
[ 
Thank you once again. But first I want to express my condolences to those two from this House who have passed away. To you Tahu the chief you and Rod my salutations to you who have trod the wide path that has conveyed you to the home that we refer to as the real home for us mortals. This is my tribute to the families those of you left behind at the falling of those two. At this point in time my sympathies go out to the families the ones at present under the thorny mantle.  
Now that we have satisfied the part to the dead I return to us the living. Therefore a special greeting to members who have been returned to this House and further to that I acknowledge those new members who have arrived here today. 
But I want to greet those others too those relatives of mine of many callings my sister colleague from Tainui that one also in National the elder cousin from Ngai Takoto in the Labour Party and those relatives of many callings in the Maori Party from Te Aupouri Rangiwewehi Ngati Kahu and Kahungunu.  
And so this greeting to you collectively the new members 
.] 
 Mr Deputy Speaker it is indeed a privilege to be able to take this call while you are presiding over the proceedings of the House. Like the previous speakers I extend my congratulations to you on your elevation to Deputy Speaker. Although I was somewhat surprised that your colleagues did not support your nomination for Speaker that does not in any way reduce my regard for you nor do I have any less regard for Madam Speaker Margaret Wilson and the Assistant Speakers Ross Robertson and Ann Hartley. On behalf of New Zealand First I extend my congratulations to them all. 
I also take this time to acknowledge and congratulate the MP for Pakuranga the Hon Maurice Williamson on once again winning the seat of Pakuranga. The final result might have been a little bit closer however. There was sufficient support from a number of voters in Pakuranga and indeed from the rest of the country to ensure that I am here today. I say to the Hon Maurice Williamson that although his majority was in excess of 15000 to 16000 I look forward to 2008 when I know that I will be able to claw that back. 
Before I continue I take this opportunity to publicly acknowledge and thank my new New Zealand First colleagues from the forty-seventh Parliament—good men all. The remaining caucus members and I really appreciated their efforts while they were here. They were all fine members of the House who served their country well. 
As I embark on my second term as an MP I would like to reflect on the achievements of New Zealand First and on my pride of being part of something that has delivered and will continue to deliver much for ordinary New Zealanders. My vision for New Zealand continues to be one where everybody gets a fair go to achieve their aspirations. I do not think anyone in this House would take offence at that. Indeed I believe that our country was built on such ideals. Somewhere along the way ideology became more important than ideals and this has not always been helpful. Until 1996 New Zealand was bereft of real political choice. The choices were between the left and the right and ideology defined them both. But it also constrained individuals within them and it still does. One just has to ask Brian Connell. 
The advent of MMP changed all this with the consequence that our Parliament now has a number of parties that represent the total political spectrum. MMP has allowed the entry into Parliament of parties that would not have had a chance under first past the post. In my view New Zealanders are better served by the increased representation that this has allowed. Additionally under MMP those who choose to vote can be assured that their vote really counts. Despite the best efforts of the two old large parties the recent general election proved that New Zealanders will never accept single-party majority again. Under MMP that has gone and that is the reason that New Zealand First is still here—much to the chagrin of many in this House I am sure. 
New Zealand First is a party that has been in Parliament since the first MMP election in 1996. We are here because New Zealanders recognise that this country needs a party that is not hampered by any outdated political theory; secondly New Zealanders recognise that this country needs a party that will represent those who are overlooked by the two big parties; and thirdly New Zealanders recognise that New Zealand First is the party that is focused on delivering policies that will allow all New Zealanders to achieve their dreams and goals unimpeded by hostile ideologies. New Zealand First is a party whose overriding principle is in our name. Fundamental to all our policies is the simple principle of putting New Zealand and New Zealanders first. Since we have been in Parliament we have established a track record of securing as many of our policies as we can with the resources and influences we have. During this parliamentary term we will improve on our record of delivering policies that make a positive difference to the lives of ordinary New Zealanders. 
Debate interrupted. 
The House adjourned at 10 p.m.