Parata Hekia: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Parata Hekia: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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7. 
HEKIA PARATA (National) 
 to the  
Minister for Social Development and Employment 
: What reports has she received on long-term welfare dependency? 
Hon PAULA BENNETT (Minister for Social Development and Employment) 
: 
 I have seen research showing that the longer a person spends on a benefit the harder it is to get off welfare. I have seen a report that shows that a third of those currently on the domestic purposes benefit became parents in their teenage years and of those teenagers on that benefit if they are under 18 they are 35 percent more likely to be on it in 10 years’ time. This is a particular group that we are focused on in wanting to help them and to help them to get off long-term welfare dependency. 
Hekia Parata 
: How many beneficiaries might be considered at risk of long-term dependency on welfare? 
Hon PAULA BENNETT 
: Of those who currently receive a benefit over one-third have been on welfare for more than 3 years. That is around 117880 people or about 34 percent of those who are on welfare. Of those on supposedly short-term temporary benefits—the unemployment and sickness benefits—29580 receive the sickness benefit for more than a year and over 12000 receive the unemployment benefit for more than a year. 
Carmel Sepuloni 
: What reports has the Minister read that have caused her to change her mind about a woman’s right to choice as stated in her maiden speech: “I advocate for choice—for women to work part time or full time in paid work or not at all or to stay at home and raise their children.”? 
Hon PAULA BENNETT 
: I certainly do and I see that need for parents to actually be moving ahead for themselves for the benefit of their children and that is what is really most important. I certainly do advocate choice for those who can have it but there is an obligation as well for them to be getting ahead themselves and then actually making that for their children. 
Carmel Sepuloni 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I asked what reports she has read with regard to changing her mind about whether women should stay home and raise their children or go out and work. I did not hear whether she actually referred to any reports. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The difficulty I have is in understanding exactly what the member is asking. Normally members do not read reports about why they changed their minds; it is something they know themselves. It is difficult for me to say to the Minister that I expect her to give a more clear answer to the House when it is difficult to see exactly what the member was after. 
Hekia Parata 
: How does the Minister expect Future Focus to improve outcomes for beneficiaries? 
Hon PAULA BENNETT 
: Despite labour shortages the culture of welfare dependency grew on Labour’s watch. From 2000 to 2008—[ 
Interruption 
] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I assume the member is seeking my intervention about that barrage of interjection. That is unacceptable. The members may not like the Minister’s answer but the Minister is entitled to answer the question as she sees fit. If members do not like it they can ask supplementary questions but they cannot just shout like that. 
Hon Chris Carter 
: So lies are OK? 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Did I just hear someone say lies are OK? 
Hon Chris Carter 
: It was a rhetorical question. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Well we will not have that kind of interjection. 
Hon PAULA BENNETT 
: To give details from 2000 to 2008 sickness benefit numbers doubled up by 17000 people. To give members the actual numbers on that 33560 people were on the sickness benefit in the year 2000 and 50896 people were on the sickness benefit in 2008. That is just one example. 
Carmel Sepuloni 
: If the Minister is serious about supporting women into paid employment why did she ignore the phase 1 and phase 2 evaluation of the training incentive allowance reports which highlight the role of the training incentive allowance in reducing the time spent on benefits and increasing the amount of time spent in paid employment? 
Hon PAULA BENNETT 
: Future Focus exempts people who have children over the age of 6 and are in tertiary study in recognition that tertiary study can work for some people on the domestic purposes benefit. We have also introduced other pathways for them to gain those skills and to get the training that they need. That is something that quite frankly makes sense and something I am proud to deliver. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: That was a very interesting piece of information that the Minister just gave the House. It may be what the Minister wanted to provide by way of answer but I am not sure whether it was exactly an answer to the question asked. I did not support Carmel Sepuloni when she previously appealed that her question had not been answered. I invite her to ask her supplementary question again without the first bit about how the Minister can be taken seriously. That will be excluded from the repeat of the supplementary question. It will be a straightforward objective question if she wants an answer. 
Carmel Sepuloni 
: Why did she ignore the phase 1 and phase 2 evaluation of the training incentive allowance reports which highlight the role of the training incentive allowance in reducing the time spent on benefits and increasing the amount of time spent in paid employment? 
Hon PAULA BENNETT 
: I did not but as I said when we looked at tertiary study for those people on the domestic purposes benefit we recognised that they should be exempt if they are in study while their children are over 6 years old. The Government made that decision and it is one that I am proud to represent. There are many opportunities for those people on the domestic purposes benefit to get the training and education that they need to move off long-term welfare dependency.