Sio Hon Aupito WilliamHon AUPITO WILLIAM SIO (Minister for Pacific Peoples): Thank you Madam Deputy Speaker. The previous speaker the Hon Alfred Ngaro asked that we should send this bill to select committee and allow the community to speak. I just want to say to that member my colleague that the community has spoken four months ago. They don't want them in here. They don't want them to be in Government. In fact because they continue on that same path they—I don't know why the previous speaker was so angry and so antagonistic because that conveys their whole attitude about youth justice.I want to say to Barbara Kuriger—look I accept when I'm listening to her. Her spirit is very different from the previous speaker. Her spirit is very different from Mike Sabin who supposedly drafted this. To hold this bill with Mike Sabin is not a good look Barbara. I'd ask you to go back to the drawing board—DEPUTY SPEAKER: I think you should use the full name.Hon AUPITO WILLIAM SIO: —because I think if you are sincere and if I accept what you're saying on face value Barbara there are no quick—DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order! The member will use another member's full name.Hon AUPITO WILLIAM SIO: I would say to the member Barbara Kuriger that there are no quick fixes for this. To blame parents for the sins and the crimes of young people is just utterly wrong. It reflects badly on the National Party and their whole attitude of treating offenders and their families as scum and that's reflected also in the attitude of the previous speaker. It also reflects that you guys—that lot—have run out of ideas. It's precisely the reason why you now sit on that side of this House because the country recognises that for nine long years you've swept aside many of the problems that this Government is now having to fix and one of the problems is the issue of youth justice.The Hon Peeni Henare recognised one of our kaumātuas Bill Wiki who passed away recently. He's absolutely correct: Bill Wiki was an example within the Ōtara community a place which he referred to as the capital of Manukau City and he used that to try and provide support and confidence to the young people in Ōtara—and indeed Manukau—that they were something of worth. This bill actually condemns not only the young people who need help but also their families their whānau who are essential to provide support for a lot of our young people. Look there are no quick fixes for this and I think the fact that they are resorting to this blaming the parents for the sins of the young people shows the lack of ideas that they need—the lack of ideas not only that but also the lack of wanting to genuinely do something right for the young people whom we all know are the future of this country.I have to say they know the numbers. They've known the numbers for nine long years and chose not to do anything about. I also feel suspicious that when they know the numbers and it reflects high for Māori reflects high for Pasifika it begs the question: are they so intent on showing their racist attitude towards these families? Because that's how I see it—that's how I read it.DEPUTY SPEAKER: Look I really think the member—Hon Alfred Ngaro: Point of order—DEPUTY SPEAKER: I understand the point of order. I think I will ask the member to stand and withdraw that comment.Hon AUPITO WILLIAM SIO: I withdraw Madam Deputy Speaker.The bill as presented is inconsistent with what all researchers tell us what all organisations tell us: that it needs to be a holistic approach of supporting help not condemning families because ultimately these young people need their families and there's a range of problems—families is only one factor. Employment poverty education health and drug addiction—all of those require a holistic approach and a long-term aim to make sure that we strengthen families. This bill here is not about strengthening families; it's about dividing and condemning families.