Jackson WillieHon WILLIE JACKSON (Minister for Broadcasting and Media): I think that member made a reasonable point at the end; I'm happy to concede that having worked with gangs through my life and worked with someone like Harry Tam. So I would accept that as a House we do have a responsibility in working through what Mr Mitchell talks about.I want to support our finance Minister. I think it's a sad indictment on this House that the right have brought the race debate in terms of health. The reality is patients get a score of 100 to determine their surgery; being Māori or Pasifika adds one or two points to the equation—one or two points.The way the right particularly the National Party have seized upon using ethnicity as a factor in deciding healthcare dollars and spun into a story of reverse racism"—and that's what they're implying—and that is somehow equal to apartheid is disgusting. I agree with Grant Robertson I believe that most of the National Party are better than that. I'm not sure about Mr Seymour who seems to be using this all the time. Including ethnicity in health decisions has not been a racist policy; it's an attempt to ensure that not just Māori but Pasifika rural Kiwis and Kiwis living in poverty who have waited on the waiting list for too long—and Māori—gain outcomes that are comparable to the majority experience and positive health outcomes.Having small steps in ensuring a positive health outcome for Pasifika rural Kiwis and Māori is just the right way to go. It was sad listening to the Leader of the Opposition on National Radio this morning. His refusal to accept what most experts are saying—great doctors like Dr Rawiri Jansen Anthony Jordan Mataroria Lyndon Hinemoa Elder Lily Freeman Papaarangi Reid. These doctors have said for years—experts who the National Party have engaged—that clearly Māori have suffered under the health system.The National Party of Bill English has acknowledged this. This is a disgrace what is happening in this House. It's a disgrace that the National Party are going down a track that people before them would have rejected. We're going back to the old Don Brash days instead of acknowledging and working together. As our Minister of Finance said so eloquently today let's work towards reducing the problem rather than using the race argument as Mr Seymour is constantly and Mr Luxon is afraid to oppose because he's so worried now about the election coming a few months down the track. Despite all the facts that were given this morning on National Radio by the interviewer at the time Mr Luxon refuses to accept that Māori and rural people and Pasifika have been hurt by the system.It's not something we should be worried about; we should show courage here. Why is the National Party showing no courage? That's the big question. We know the ACT Party are just a group of opportunists. We know that that's going to be used constantly until the election comes around that the race card will be pulled on us. It's sad and it's an indictment on the ACT Party that they keep utilising that strategy.The realities are clear for everyone: Māori die earlier than our European brothers and sisters—seven years earlier. Pasifika die earlier. Poorer people die earlier. Why don't you want to help them? Why do we have rural people die earlier? Why do we have to pull the race card? I'll tell you why Madam Speaker—you won't be here I don't think; I think you're moving on which is a shame because you're one of the better members. But the reality is: it's all about the votes. It's all about their votes.The National Party are too scared to say what the truth is and the truth is that a number of people in this country are suffering under the current system and need support. So well done to all our health professionals out there all the doctors out there. Don't listen to the rubbish that is coming from the ACT Party and the National Party and keep at it. Our people—all people right across the different communities—need our support. Kia ora tātou katoa."