Peters Winston: Foreshore and Seabed Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Peters Winston: Foreshore and Seabed Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
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Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 After that legal dissertation I want to say that I am going to organise a lunchtime meeting between “Tariana Turei”—[ 
Interruption 
]  
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: I am sorry to interrupt the member but Mr Brownlee will not contest rulings like that. 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS 
: Particularly when I am his senior. 
Metiria Turei 
: I raise a point of order Madam Chairperson. I suspect that the member may have been referring to me; if so he mispronounced my name completely. I ask that he pronounce my name properly. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: It is always best to— 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS 
: Who cares! 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: No for order in the Chamber members should always be referred to by their correct name. 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS 
: Madam Chairperson I have had three interruptions before I have even got going. Can I start now? 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: It is not off the member’s time. 
Gerry Brownlee 
: I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. We have been repeatedly assured that there will be a significant amount of time for debate. The expectation is that a number of members will take more than one call on this debate. That matter has been discussed as you are aware. Can I ask whether it is correct that this is the second call from New Zealand First. I understood that Dail Jones spoke. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: To interrupt a member’s speech for that point of order when the member had already been corrected by the Clerk— 
Gerry Brownlee 
: Not on that point. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: I have already warned members this morning that when I am on my feet giving a ruling there will be silence. I now give another warning on that. I have already indicated quite clearly when ruling on Mr Prebble’s point of order—and I assure the member as I assured Mr Prebble when we discussed this—that plenty of time will be given. 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS 
: This is the first contribution from New Zealand First in this debate. We want to bring some sanity to this side of the Chamber. I am offering to organise at lunchtime today a meeting between Tariana Turia Metiria Turei of the Greens and the National Party. It is a very important meeting that I have to organise and I will tell members why. It is because the first two say that Maori are getting nothing and the National members on my right say they are getting everything. So I am going to organise this public meeting in the Beehive so that they can sort this out then come back to the Chamber this afternoon and talk some sense for the first time. I have never heard such a ridiculous debate.  
The second point I want to signal is that I want to know from Dr Cullen where his secret bill is—the covert clandestine bill that the National Party keeps addressing. We have never seen it. It may exist. It may be somewhere out there in the ether. After hearing National members talk last night and today I know that there has to be another bill. It is not this one. There has to be a secret bill somewhere else that Dr Mapp keeps addressing. He said that Maori can get all these things by private arrangement and by private deal but he never admitted that they could not get a thing under this bill in the way that he described. It is not that Maori are not going to get a fair go but he knows demonstrably because he is a law lecturer that they cannot get the things that he is talking about under this legislation. So why on earth does he keep on saying it? Why on earth do the Greens act that way? Why does Tariana Turia keep making those speeches? Why is the National Party doing the same at the other extreme? I hate to say it but I think it is about politics. I think it is about raw venal selfish politics. At a time when the country calls out for a sense of unity on an important matter all they can do is play petty shallow politics. Would they do us a favour— 
Hon Dr Nick Smith 
: Here’s the expert. 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS 
: The expert is Dr Nick Smith. He is a real expert. Do members remember when he was head of the Department of Conservation? He was up there taking land off Maori everywhere. 
Hon Dr Nick Smith 
: Name one. 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS 
: Rawhiti 2B. These members know full well about the prime paradise of Ngati Wai on the southern reaches of the Bay of Islands and he was going to take the whole lot off them. He said: “Look I’ll give you a deal. I’ll look after the possums and the pests but you give me the land.” That was his idea of a deal. Every fifth acre there would be worth $1 million and there are thousands of acres and he wanted to take the whole lot on behalf of the socialist State that he was then the head of. Talk about—I cannot use the word but it starts with “h”. Where did this mess start? It started with an Act passed by those geniuses after they had thrown me out of the National Party between 1991 and 1993. I remember it. I warned them about their stupidity but no they knew better. They gave Doug Graham a knighthood for it. They all signed up and said: “Yes Doug yes Doug three bags full.” Yet here they come today as some sort of Pontius Pilate saying “We come with clean hands.”  
I am glad that people are not hearing that from New Zealand First. I am glad that they are not hearing that shallowness and banality from New Zealand First. Can I ask the Committee a question? Why would a party that calls itself conservative oppose the Crown having the foreshore and seabed reposed unto it?  
Why would a party that says it believes in one law for everyone oppose this bill? 
Hon Dr Nick Smith 
: Because it doesn’t have one law for everyone. 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS 
: There we go. Here is the genius on law. He is so good on law that he was recently in court and he got done over like a dinner yet he still thinks he is right. The poor guy was told by his colleagues: “Dr Smith don’t say that. It’s illegal. Don’t do it.” But no he knew better. 
Hon Dr Nick Smith 
: That’s not true. He’s making it up. 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS 
: No I am not. The member’s colleagues told me.