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Carter John: Prostitution Reform Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Carter John: Prostitution Reform Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:607;Page:4450] 
JOHN CARTER (Senior Whip—NZ National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Chairperson. I have had a chance to discuss the leave that I am about to seek with the member in charge of the bill and with representatives of all the parties—although unfortunately I have not yet had a chance to speak with Stephen Franks. I will seek leave to make a variation with regard to how we handle this bill. The issue is that the whips have proxies for and against the bill. There are a number of amendments and we have taken those into account as best we can so that we have an understanding of how members may want to vote on the proposed amendments of which we have had notice. However during the course of the debate other amendments may well be put. That leaves the whips in the peculiar predicament of having a proxy either for or against the bill but with no instruction on how to vote on a particular amendment. 
My suggestion had been that we have one wide-ranging debate—which will allow the debate to flow and take its course and will allow members to make their contributions in whatever form they wish to—and that once the debate is concluded we conduct all the votes which would allow the members themselves to come down to the Chamber have an understanding of what the amendments are and vote accordingly rather than the whips trying to predict the thinking of those members with proxy votes. However there has been a further suggestion which I will incorporate into my seeking of leave that we have a wide-ranging debate on the title and a vote conducted on that; then if that vote is successful we have a wide-ranging debate on the balance of the bill and conduct all the votes including the amendments at the end of that debate. 
That is quite a sensible suggestion. It will allow members to make a contribution on the title and then if the vote on that is successful to make a contribution on the balance of the bill including all the amendments. It will allow members to come down to the Chamber at the end of the debate to vote en bloc on the amendments and it will certainly in my view be a sensible way for us to progress the bill. 
Accordingly I seek leave for us to have a wide-ranging debate on the title and a vote on the title including any amendments on the title and then if the vote on that is successful to continue with a wide-ranging debate on the balance of the bill with the votes to be conducted at the conclusion of that debate.
Wilson Margaret: Urgent Debates Declined — Influenza—Vaccination Programme 
Wilson Margaret: Urgent Debates Declined — Influenza—Vaccination Programme 
[Volume:624;Page:19167] 
Madam SPEAKER 
: I thank members. Ruling on the point of order I say that I considered the matter on the same basis as my predecessors had according to their rulings. I can assure members that the business of the House had absolutely nothing to do with this decision at all. Certainly the factors that have been raised individually were all taken together but were seen in the context of this particular case and in the light of today.
Vote: Television New Zealand Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Vote: Television New Zealand Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:606;Page:3763] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 2 as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 69 
Labour 52; Green Party 9; United Future 8. 
Noes 47 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 7. 
Part 2 as amended agreed to.
Vote: Appropriation (2003/04 Financial Review) Bill — Third Reading 
Vote: Appropriation (2003/04 Financial Review) Bill — Third Reading 
[Volume:624;Page:19496] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the 
 Appropriation (2003/04 Financial Review) Bill 
 be now read a third time 
. 
Ayes 70 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 48 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 7; Maori Party 1. 
Bill read a third time.
Yates Dianne: Third Readings 
Yates Dianne: Third Readings 
[Volume:612;Page:9136] 
DIANNE YATES (Labour—Hamilton East) 
: 
 I wish to support the changes in clarification of the Environmental Risk Management Authority processes that make this bill more acceptable to many people.
Business Statement 
Business Statement 
[Volume:620;Page:16163] 
Business Statement 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 Next week in the House priority will be given to the third readings of the Holidays Amendment Bill and the Employment Relations Law Reform Bill the second reading of the Parental Leave and Employment Protection Amendment Bill and progress on the Taxation (Annual Rates Venture Capital and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill. Wednesday of course is a members’ day.
Maharey Steve: Business Statement 
Maharey Steve: Business Statement 
[Volume:606;Page:3631] 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY (Minister of Social Services and Employment) 
 on behalf of the  
Leader of the House 
. Next week in the House it is the Government’s intention to make progress on the first reading of the Holidays Bill the remaining stages of the Television New Zealand Bill and the Government Superannuation Fund Amendment Bill (No 2) and the second reading of the Taxation (Annual Rates Maori Organisations Taxpayer Compliance and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill.
Benson-Pope David: Injury Prevention Rehabilitation and Compensation Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
Benson-Pope David: Injury Prevention Rehabilitation and Compensation Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
[Volume:609;Page:6648] 
DAVID BENSON-POPE (NZ Labour—Dunedin South) 
: 
 I am delighted to have the opportunity to take a call on this matter. I had intended to make some brief comments even before that kind invitation from the preceding speaker. I would like to thank her for giving such a clear enunciation of the ACT party’s policy just as I would like to pay tribute on behalf of the community on the Government side of the House to Dr Hutchison who spoke earlier. He made it very clear that despite the National Party’s very small minority in Opposition and very small presence in this House its opposition tothis bill is not about the size about the levy. 
For both ACT and the National Party this debate is once again about privatising the accident compensation scheme which this Government was re-elected on the platform of renationalising in 1999. Any of the members on the Government side of the House who have electorate offices and who have people coming in with issues that they ask for help with can say that no issue has brought more misery than that associated with the privatisation of accident compensation by the discredited previous Government whose members are now in Opposition. That is why those people are so few in number and while they espouse policies of that kind they will continue to be few in number.
Vote: New Zealand Trade and Enterprise Bill — Third Reading 
Vote: New Zealand Trade and Enterprise Bill — Third Reading 
[Volume:609;Page:6412] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the New Zealand Trade and Enterprise Bill be now read a third time. 
Ayes 100 
Labour 52; New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; United Future 8. 
Noes 16 
ACT New Zealand 7; Green Party 9. 
Bill read a third time.
Carter John: Local Government Law Reform Bill (No 2) — Referral to Local Government and Environment Committee referral to the Local Government and Environment Committee Instruction to Local Government and Environment Committee 
Carter John: Local Government Law Reform Bill (No 2) — Referral to Local Government and Environment Committee referral to the Local Government and Environment Committee Instruction to Local Government and Environment Committee 
[Volume:606;Page:3496] 
JOHN CARTER (Senior Whip—NZ National) 
: 
 I have listened carefully to the explanation given by the Minister with regard to this bill being referred to the Local Government and Environment Committee. I understand that he did not seek leave for it to go to the Government Administration Committee because one of the parties would not support the leave. I think it would be useful if the bill were referred to the Government Administration Committee rather than the Local Government and Environment Committee. Given that we have just passed a motion I nevertheless seek the leave that the Local Government Law Reform Bill (No 2) be referred to the Government Administration Committee. I seek the leave of the House for that to happen. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I presume that means with the proviso that every party be represented on the committee as explained by the Hon Dr Michael Cullen. 
JOHN CARTER 
: Yes. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I have to seek the leave of the House to revoke the previous motion which was passed unanimously. Is there leave to put the question again? Does anyone object? There is objection. The original motion stands referred.
Brown Peter: Animal Welfare (Restriction on Docking of Dogs' Tails) Bill — Procedure First Reading 
Brown Peter: Animal Welfare (Restriction on Docking of Dogs' Tails) Bill — Procedure First Reading 
[Volume:621;Page:16368] 
PETER BROWN (Senior Whip—NZ First) 
: 
 This is a very important point. I think the Hon Richard Prebble has made some very significant points but I just point out that the Business Committee is not paramount of the House’s business; the House is itself. If the member is seeking leave we cannot be denied opposing that leave because the Business Committee has agreed to something. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Can I thank all members for their contributions. The issue does not need to be discussed. Leave can be taken at any time before the end of the debate. A discussion on a point of order is not likely to be productive of a complex issue. The whips should get together on this. As for Mr Prebble he has raised a much wider issue that needs Standing Orders Committee attention. There is a proposal before the House for leave. If members object then they should say so and the House can get on with the debate.
Swain Paul: Health Practitioners Competence Assurance Bill — In Committee 
Swain Paul: Health Practitioners Competence Assurance Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:611;Page:8231] 
Hon PAUL SWAIN (Minister of Transport) 
: 
 I move  
That the Committee divide the bill into the Health Practitioners Competence Assurance Bill the Health and Disability Commissioner Amendment Bill and the Medicines Amendment Bill pursuant to Supplementary Order Paper 105 
.
Burton Mark: Ngati Awa Claims Settlement Bill — In Committee Procedure 
Burton Mark: Ngati Awa Claims Settlement Bill — In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:623;Page:18842] 
Hon MARK BURTON (Minister in charge of Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations) 
: 
 I am taking an early call in response to the principle of the matter. Members who have been in the Chamber throughout the debate will acknowledge that I have taken a call on every part. I have tried to take a call to be helpful useful and responsive. If the member is suggesting that I am the fount of all knowledge in advance of hearing what other members have to say I take that as a great compliment but I am afraid that my natural humility will not allow me to accept it. I think it would be much more helpful for me to listen to what members have to say and to try to make some useful response. [ 
Interruption 
] 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I call the Hon Georgina te Heuheu. 
Dr Wayne Mapp 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I take exception to the comment made by the chief Government whip as I sat down. The member knows exactly what she said. I heard it over here. I will not dignify it by repeating it. I ask that she withdraw and apologise. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: The member knows what she said. I ask her to stand withdraw and apologise. 
Jill Pettis 
: I withdraw and apologise.
Vote: Maori Fisheries Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Maori Fisheries Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:620;Page:15650] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That clause 1 be agreed to. 
Ayes 101 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 12; United Future 8; Progressive 2; Maori Party 1. 
Noes 17 
Green Party 9; ACT New Zealand 8. 
Clause 1 agreed to.
Power Simon: Taxation (Annual Rates Venture Capital and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill — In Committee 
Power Simon: Taxation (Annual Rates Venture Capital and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:622;Page:17369] 
SIMON POWER (Senior Whip—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. It is just a point of clarification. So the ruling is that we—I guess it is the standard rule of statutory interpretation—follow the more specific clause rather than the more general. Is that the case?
McCully Murray: Television New Zealand Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
McCully Murray: Television New Zealand Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:606;Page:3765] 
Hon MURRAY McCULLY (NZ National—East Coast Bays) 
: 
 Like my colleague Katherine Rich I have some questions for the Minister in relation to Part 3 and I say at the outset that I take offence that this Minister in taking this measure through the Committee tonight is sitting in his chair like a stuffed dummy. In fact I would like your assurance—
Peters Winston: Retirements — John Lindell O’Sullivan 
Peters Winston: Retirements — John Lindell O’Sullivan 
[Volume:607;Page:4504] 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 On behalf of New Zealand First my members would have me endorse the comments made by the Minister of Finance. We have to agree that the last 10 years have been years of enormous change. We went from first past the post to the precursor of MMP which was a whole lot of desertions between 1993 and 1996 to other parties and then on to an MMP environment. In all that time Mr O’Sullivan had to have dealt with—present company excepted—a great number of prima donnas as the Minister of Finance said and with unreasonable demands made from all quarters. Having to deal with the precedent set by various parties particularly as that affected the other new parties coming on could not have been easy. 
We also have to say though we regret John O’Sullivan is going at a time when there are outstanding inquiries to do with the use of political funds by political parties. I do not want to say very much about that—it would be very churlish to do so—but I regret that John O’Sullivan will not be able to help the State Services Commission and the Serious Fraud Office to reach their final deliberations on that matter. Having said that— 
Hon Ken Shirley 
: It was already on. 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS 
: Exactly but members can see what I mean and the difficulties that John O’Sullivan has had to deal with. I know what my correspondence to the Serious Fraud Office states. However I will get back to the point. During the last 10 years I do not think I can recall one public event to do with Mr O’Sullivan’s staff where there would have been a one-off complaint and that is pretty important for somebody who has been the boss of an organisation. The second thing I can say is that in all of our dealings although on many occasions we have not been happy with the decision that was reached I think we were dealt with in a professional fashion. I want to thank John O’Sullivan for that and to wish him all the very best in whatever he does in the future.
Gallagher Martin: State Sector Amendment Bill (No 3) — First Reading 
Gallagher Martin: State Sector Amendment Bill (No 3) — First Reading 
[Volume:614;Page:10640] 
MARTIN GALLAGHER (Labour—Hamilton West) 
: 
 I have nothing to say to the representative of the 26 or 23 percent party. We have heard a speech of absolute opportunism. I support this bill. I wish it full speed to the select committee. It is a good fair and consistent bill. I support this bill.
Vote: Aquaculture Reform Bill — In Committee 
Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume 
Vote: Aquaculture Reform Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 14 December 2004. Volume:622;Page:17768. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put 
. 
Ayes 70 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 49 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 9. 
Motion agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Phil Heatley to clause 145 be agreed to: 
to insert the following new subclause: 
(1C)A Regional Council may reject the call to provide further information and have the decision stand solely on the information already provided.
Vote: Building Bill — In Committee Procedure 
Vote: Building Bill — In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:619;Page:14868] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That schedule 3 be agreed to. 
Ayes 83 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 37 
New Zealand National 27; ACT New Zealand 8; Maori Party 1; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Schedule 3 agreed to.
Carter John: General Debates 
Carter John: General Debates 
[Volume:609;Page:6572] 
JOHN CARTER (Senior Whip—NZ National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. In other words my word is not honourable and the member’s is. I am not the only one I can tell you on this side of the House who has since heard that Minister utter words that I find insulting. I have heard the words; I can repeat them. I do not want to but if you need I will repeat them. 
Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Please be seated. I asked the member and he said he had not repeated them. I must accept the member’s word. [ 
Interruption 
] There will be no interruptions when I am giving a ruling. I have given the ruling to Mr Carter. I asked the member and he said he did not repeat the words.
Tamihere John: Debate on Prime Minister’s Statement 
Tamihere John: Debate on Prime Minister’s Statement 
[Volume:606;Page:3495] 
Hon JOHN TAMIHERE (Minister of Youth Affairs) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. One point of clarification on the point of order raised by the Leader of the House: I did not hear the Clerk call “Were there any other votes?”. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Yes he did. I heard it.
Brownlee Gerry: Urgent Debates Declined — Local Government—Election Results 
Brownlee Gerry: Urgent Debates Declined — Local Government—Election Results 
[Volume:620;Page:16099] 
GERRY BROWNLEE (Deputy Leader—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I wonder whether you might give us some indication of how you view changing circumstances in these matters. What is very evident today is that rather than being a problem that might be sorted out in a matter of hours or perhaps in a day or two this is now a problem that by Datamail’s own admission will take some weeks to sort out. 
As I said before it will leave major cities without any governance and it will leave every hospital board in the country without governance. It is likely to lead to special legislation in the House either to cover that situation or to validate elections in some way or in fact to have new elections. I think it is difficult for us in Opposition to know when it is an appropriate time to put in a letter given that the situation is moving so very fluidly but most certainly the House should have a view on this matter.
Hunt Jonathan: Urgent Debates Declined — New Zealand Superannuation Fund 
Hunt Jonathan: Urgent Debates Declined — New Zealand Superannuation Fund 
[Volume:610;Page:7994] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I have received a letter from Gordon Copeland seeking to debate under Standing Order 376 the investment formula to be used by the New Zealand Superannuation Fund. Disclosure of the formula is a particular case of recent occurrence and as the fund is owned by the Crown I accept that it does involve ministerial responsibility. I do not however consider that a decision of this nature which will inevitably be implemented over time requires the immediate attention of the House. I therefore decline the application.
Hide Rodney: Sale of Liquor Amendment Bill (No 2) — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
Hide Rodney: Sale of Liquor Amendment Bill (No 2) — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:616;Page:12352] 
RODNEY HIDE (ACT) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. That shows exactly what the trouble is in this Chamber with regard to order. Ministers can call out and there is no problem. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Come to your point of order Mr Hide. 
RODNEY HIDE 
: I am coming to it. When members of the Opposition respond to Ministers who call out the Chair jumps on them. The Chair called “Order!” twice—we all heard him—the Minister carried on interjecting and the Chair did nothing. We ask you to protect every member in this Chamber—
Vote: Employment Relations Law Reform Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Employment Relations Law Reform Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:620;Page:16151] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 1 as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 63 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; Progressive 2; Maori Party 1. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Part 1 as amended agreed to.
Hunt Jonathan: Points of Order — Question No. 4 to Minister—Minister Answering  
Hunt Jonathan: Points of Order — Question No. 4 to Minister—Minister Answering  
[Volume:619;Page:14718] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I refer to Speaker’s ruling 130/3 which answers that point fully.
Vote: Relationships (Statutory References) Bill — Second Reading 
Vote: Relationships (Statutory References) Bill — Second Reading 
[Volume:624;Page:18994] 
A personal vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments recommended by the Justice and Electoral Committee by majority be agreed to. 
Ayes 76 
Alexander  
Duynhoven(P) 
Locke(P) 
Samuels(P) 
Anderton(P) 
Dyson(P) 
Mackey J (P) 
Shirley  
Barker  
Ewen-Street  
Mackey M (P) 
Simich  
Barnett  
Fairbrother(P) 
Maharey(P) 
Sowry(P) 
Benson-Pope(P) 
Fitzsimons(P) 
Mahuta (P) 
Sutton(P) 
Beyer(P) 
Gallagher  
Mallard(P) 
Swain(P) 
Bradford(P) 
Goff(P) 
Mapp  
Tamihere(P) 
Burton(P) 
Gosche(P) 
McCully(P) 
Tanczos  
Carter C (P) 
Hartley  
O'Connor(P) 
Tizard  
Chadwick(P) 
Hawkins  
Okeroa(P) 
Turei(P) 
Choudhary(P) 
Hereora(P) 
Parker(P) 
Ward(P) 
Clark(P) 
Hide  
Peck(P) 
Williamson(P) 
Coddington  
Hobbs(P) 
Pettis (P) 
Wilson(P) 
Cosgrove(P) 
Hodgson(P) 
Pillay(P) 
Wong(P) 
Cullen(P) 
Horomia(P) 
Prebble  
Yates 
Cunliffe(P) 
Hunt(P) 
Rich  
Dalziel  
Kedgley(P) 
Ririnui(P) 
Donald  
Key(P) 
Robertson(P) 
Duncan(P) 
King(P) 
Robson(P) 
Teller: 
Dunne(P) 
Laban(P) 
Roy(P) 
Hughes  
Noes 42 
Adams  
Donnelly(P) 
Ogilvy(P) 
Tisch(P) 
Ardern(P) 
Eckhoff(P) 
Paraone(P) 
Turner(P) 
Baldock(P) 
English(P) 
Perry(P) 
Wang  
Brash(P) 
Field  
Peters J (P) 
Woolerton(P) 
Brown  
Franks  
Peters W 
Worth  
Brownlee(P) 
Goudie(P) 
Ryall(P) 
Carter D (P) 
Gudgeon(P) 
Scott  
Carter J (P) 
Heatley(P) 
Smith L 
Catchpole  
Hutchison  
Smith M (P) 
Collins(P) 
Jones  
Smith N 
Connell(P) 
Mark(P) 
Stewart(P) 
Teller: 
Copeland(P) 
McNair(P) 
te Heuheu(P) 
Power
Clark Helen: Obituaries — Ronald Reagan—Former United States President  
Clark Helen: Obituaries — Ronald Reagan—Former United States President  
[Volume:618;Page:13541] 
Rt Hon HELEN CLARK (Prime Minister) 
: 
 I move  
That this House note with sadness the death of former United States President Ronald Reagan and that it extend to Mrs Reagan to her family and to the people of the United States its deepest sympathy 
. 
The passing of former President Ronald Reagan has been commemorated in the United States by the first presidential State funeral since the death of President Lyndon Johnson in 1973. Ronald Reagan served 8 years as President of the United States. His greatest gift was his ability to communicate and he always conveyed a sense of optimism about his country and its people. The friendship he developed with the Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev played a part in easing cold war tensions. 
In recent years President Reagan suffered from Alzheimer’s disease. His courageous public declaration that he had Alzheimer’s and the role of the Ronald and Nancy Reagan research foundation have done so much to raise public awareness of this devastating neurological disorder. 
The Government has written to President Bush to convey New Zealand’s condolences and I was able to do so in person to the President last week. The Governor-General represented New Zealand at President Reagan’s funeral. Our sympathies are with Mrs Reagan and members of her family as well as the American people.
Hartley Ann: Electricity and Gas Industries Bill — In Committee 
Hartley Ann: Electricity and Gas Industries Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:620;Page:15996] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: I will just make one thing perfectly clear. I have ruled on the point of order from Mr Sowry. He is quite wrong. He needs to go back and check  
Hansard 
 and he will see that he is quite wrong about the point of order that he raised.
Vote: Parole (Extended Supervision) and Sentencing Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Parole (Extended Supervision) and Sentencing Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:618;Page:14168] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 44 
New Zealand National 27; ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Noes 75 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Tony Ryall to clause 10 be agreed to: 
to omit from paragraph (b) of section 107I(2) the words “only within the first 12 months of the term of the order.” and substitute the words “for the period of the extended supervision order.”.
Vote: Foreshore and Seabed Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Vote: Foreshore and Seabed Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:621;Page:17008] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 1 as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 66 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand First 13; Progressive 2. 
Noes 53 
New Zealand National 27; Green Party 9; ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 8; Maori Party 1. 
Part 1 as amended agreed to.
Vote: Holidays Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Vote: Holidays Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:614;Page:10544] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 9 
Green Party 9. 
Noes 107 
New Zealand Labour 52; New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 6; United Future 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Sue Bradford to clause 61 be agreed to: 
to omit from subclause (1) the words “for a period of 3 or more consecutive calendar days” and substitute the words “for a period of 5 or more consecutive working days”.
Prebble Richard: Points of Order — Electoral Act—Debate on Report of Privileges Committee 
Prebble Richard: Points of Order — Electoral Act—Debate on Report of Privileges Committee 
[Volume:610;Page:7895] 
Hon RICHARD PREBBLE (Leader—ACT NZ) 
: 
 You might conclude that the matter is now hypothetical because of the Electoral (Vacancies) Amendment Bill but I suggest to you that it is not because there is still a question of the right parliamentary reaction. If you were to give a ruling having heard the debate that but for that bill you would have declared the seat to be vacant that might result in other members of Parliament—of whom you must be aware—who may be caught in the situation deciding that the honourable thing for them to do is to now resign. They need your ruling in order to know that so I think that is desirable. 
There has been some suggestion that this part of the Electoral Act is confusing. You will have heard the majority of the Privileges Committee say that it is not confusing and that it is actually very clear. That is now a moot question and I think we need a ruling from the Speaker. The House would like to know whether the Speaker thinks the issue is confusing or clear. Of course if you do think it is clear it is my view that a number of MPs will then realise what their duty is too.
Peters Jim: Ngati Awa Claims Settlement Bill — In Committee Procedure 
Peters Jim: Ngati Awa Claims Settlement Bill — In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:623;Page:18835] 
JIM PETERS (NZ First) 
: 
 I will speak briefly to Part 4 and pick up on the purpose of the statutory acknowledgments. Members will be familiar with these from previous bills that go right back to the Rt Hon Doug Graham’s work in regard to Ngai Tahu or Kai Tahu. There is something here that is quite significant. In this bill the statutory acknowledgements are far greater. If one takes into account the potential impact of what those acknowledgments might mean alongside suggested concepts and amendments in the current Resource Management and Electricity Legislation Amendment Bill the impact will be greater when that bill becomes law than it is at the present time. There is a very strong suggestion in that amended bill that these matters in regard to iwi authorities and their place in resource management planning will be elevated above what they are now. Whether or not that becomes so is a matter for select committee deliberation and consideration. But the fact remains that the acknowledgements that are listed in the Ngati Awa Claims Settlement Bill and the bodies that have to have regard to them will make for an unusual situation if this bill becomes law and when local authorities in the Whakatane district have to consider those matters. 
I say again that the acknowledgments are much more lengthy than in other bills. They are local and there remains a residual concept of what the local authority must do. If one reads the bill in its entirety the term “have regard to” has quite a persuasive impact. The Minister in the chair the Hon Mark Burton has already said that this is part of growing up as a nation. I acknowledge that. This bill which is long overdue as far as Ngati Awa is concerned is part of the process. But there remains a residual doubt as to what impact this bill along with the work being done on the renewed Resource Management and Electricity Legislation Amendment Bill will have on day-to-day practice. I suggest that that should be clarified by the Minister before the end of the debate.
Yates Dianne: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Yates Dianne: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Sitting date: 21 February 2007. Volume:637;Page:7543. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
7.  
DIANNE YATES (Labour) 
 to the  
Minister of Trade 
: What progress has been made this year in reducing barriers for New Zealand’s key agricultural exports? 
Hon PHIL GOFF (Minister of Trade) 
: 
 Good progress has been made in a number of areas. The meeting I attended in Davos in January has helped to breathe life back into the World Trade Organization (WTO) process though no breakthroughs have yet been achieved. Further progress has been made in the latest—the 10th—round of the New Zealand - Chinese free-trade negotiations. We have just learnt that following discussions I had with the Egyptian Minister of Trade in December Egypt has reduced or eliminated tariffs on our key exports to that country. 
Dianne Yates 
: What changes were signalled at Davos to give greater optimism that the WTO talks will now move forward? 
Hon PHIL GOFF 
: Firstly at Davos I think an important formal signal was given by the Director General Pascal Lamy that formal negotiations would resume after being suspended in July. But I think the most important thing that happened was that the European Union and the United States had re-entered into serious negotiations to overcome the differences between them that had led to the suspension in July. It is important now that these talks are broadened that they are brought back into the multilateral process and that it happens quickly because the time frame necessary for the conclusion of the WTO round this year is a very narrow one. [ 
Interruption 
] And if Gerry has a question he should actually stand up and ask one rather than yelling it from his seat. 
R Doug Woolerton 
: Does the Minister agree that Egypt’s recent reduction in tariff rates on New Zealand’s agricultural exports is yet another example of the great start to the Export Year 2007 agreement reached between New Zealand First and the Government? 
Hon PHIL GOFF 
: I do agree with the member and I thank New Zealand First for the initiative and support for Export Year this year. What is really important is that Egypt had negotiated a free-trade agreement with the European Union that competes directly with us on our key agricultural exports. That had largely removed the tariff barriers. When I met with Minister Rashid in December I pointed out that that left us at a competitive disadvantage. He agreed to respond positively to our representations and he has now delivered—eliminating tariffs on milk-powder and sheepmeats and reducing to 2 percent the tariffs on butter and cheese. That is great progress. 
Hon Trevor Mallard 
: I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. I just want to indicate to the House that the Government is prepared to allow an additional supplementary question on this particular topic from Dr Worth if he can explain how when he was riding a camel instead of— 
Madam SPEAKER 
: Please would the member be seated. That is not a point of order.
Vote: New Zealand Trade and Enterprise Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Vote: New Zealand Trade and Enterprise Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:609;Page:6285] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 9 
Green Party 9. 
Noes 108 
Labour 52; New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 8. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Tony Ryall to clause 3 be agreed to: 
to omit the words “New Zealand Trade and Enterprise” and substitute the words “Investment New Zealand”.
Cullen Michael: Estimates Debate —  
Cullen Michael: Estimates Debate —  
[Volume:610;Page:7171] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Minister of Revenue) 
: 
 Very briefly I would like to respond to one thing the member said. There is a yawning gap between the ACT party and the Labour Party. I do not accept the notion that the only people who contribute to generating wealth in this society are those in the top 10 percent of income earners or the top 1 percent. What the member said was that those on the top tax rate create most of the wealth in this country. That is despicable rubbish compared with the way that most people spend their lives working hard year after year with no hope of ever earning $60000 in a year.
Robertson H V Ross: Diplomatic Privileges and Immunities Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Robertson H V Ross: Diplomatic Privileges and Immunities Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:615;Page:11259] 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I thank both members for their contributions. We will try to clear the matter up. A separate question would have had to be put on Mr Locke’s amendment as it proposes a new clause. However the question will not be put because the proposed new clause is outside the scope of the bill. To allow debate would require an instruction from the House as was the case for the Minister’s amendment dealing with the European Union.
Hartley Ann: Status of Redundancy Payments Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Hartley Ann: Status of Redundancy Payments Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:615;Page:11547] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: Mr Adams was the first member to stand up. That is what it was.
Robertson H V Ross: Local Government Law Reform Bill (No 3) — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Robertson H V Ross: Local Government Law Reform Bill (No 3) — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:618;Page:14132] 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: The debate is on Part 6 clauses 61 to 67 including debate on schedule 1.
Benson-Pope David: Crimes Amendment Bill (No 6) — In Committee Third Reading 
Benson-Pope David: Crimes Amendment Bill (No 6) — In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:609;Page:7086] 
DAVID BENSON-POPE (Senior Whip—NZ Labour) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Mr Mark has indicated he wants a call and we have not heard anything from New Zealand First. I am pleased to accept the call from the member.
O'Connor Damien: Children Young Persons and Their FamiliesAmendment Bill (No 4) — First Reading 
O'Connor Damien: Children Young Persons and Their FamiliesAmendment Bill (No 4) — First Reading 
[Volume:618;Page:14481] 
Hon DAMIEN O'CONNOR (Associate Minister of Health) 
: 
 I move  
That the Children Young Persons and Their Families Amendment Bill (No 4) be referred toconsidered by the Social Services Committee for consideration 
referred to Social Services Committee 
 that the committee be required to present its final report on the bill by 15 November 2004 and that the committee have the authority to meet at any time during a sitting of the Housewhile the House is sitting except during questions for oral answerbut not during question time during anthe evening onf a day on which there has been a sitting of the HouseHouse sitting day and on a Friday in a week in which there has been a sitting of the Houseof a House sitting week despite Standing Orders 191 and 194(1)(b) and (c).
Cullen Michael: Foreshore and Seabed Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Cullen Michael: Foreshore and Seabed Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:621;Page:17047] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 Madam Chairperson I will not try to influence you one way or the other; I simply point out that it is totally improper by way of point of order or otherwise to try to influence the Chair on the taking of a closure motion. It should not be done.
Vote: Forests Amendment Bill — In Committee Procedure 
Vote: Forests Amendment Bill — In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:617;Page:12908] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 2 as amended be agreed to 
Ayes 97 
New Zealand Labour 52; New Zealand National 26; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 22 
New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Part 2 as amended agreed to.
Vote: Corrections Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Corrections Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:617;Page:13162] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 51 
New Zealand National 24; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 7; United Future 6; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Noes 62 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Marc Alexander to clause 1 be agreed to: 
to omit the words “This Act is the Corrections Act 2002” and substitute the words “This Act is the Corrections (State Only and Other Matters) Act”.
Mallard Trevor: General Debates 
Mallard Trevor: General Debates 
[Volume:611;Page:8552] 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Minister of Education) 
: 
 I have now reviewed the document. It is in fact research unit notes. It lists the abuse of the court processes by Nick Smith and there is no problem with it being tabled.
Cullen Michael: Subordinate Legislation (Confirmation and Validation) Bill (No 3) — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume 
Cullen Michael: Subordinate Legislation (Confirmation and Validation) Bill (No 3) — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
[Sitting date: 14 December 2004. Volume:622;Page:17804. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Minister of Revenue) 
: 
 I will briefly respond. I understand that that name of the principal Act changed subsequently to use the word “Alcoholic”. On the points raised by Heather Roy and indeed Mr Copeland I can advise that the Associate Minister of Health is looking at those issues particularly those raised by the Distilled Spirits Association; we do expect some change in process over the coming year. To Mr Tisch I say that I will get an undertaking from the Minister of Internal Affairs to come back to him with a response to the questions he has raised. I have to confess that I cannot remember what the reasoning was at this distance of time. 
Part 2 agreed to.
Smith Nick: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Smith Nick: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:627;Page:22035] 
Hon Dr NICK SMITH (National—Nelson) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. I note the Minister Chris Carter is not in the House and I seek leave for the question to be deferred till tomorrow when the Minister will be present. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought. Is there any objection? There is.
Vote: Ngati Tama Claims Settlement Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Vote: Ngati Tama Claims Settlement Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:613;Page:10184] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 9 
Green Party 9. 
Noes 107 
New Zealand Labour 52; New Zealand National 25; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Metiria Turei to clause 13 be agreed to: 
to omit this clause.
Tisch Lindsay: Employment Relations Law Reform Bill — Procedure 
Tisch Lindsay: Employment Relations Law Reform Bill — Procedure 
[Volume:620;Page:15844] 
LINDSAY TISCH (National—Piako) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. Which vote are we talking about? Two votes were taken as Mr Prebble has identified. There was the vote on the amendments and then the vote for the second reading. So which vote are we referring to?
Cullen Michael: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members Questions to Ministers 
Cullen Michael: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:615;Page:11504] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I take it from that last comment that you are not prejudging any letter you may receive because I see you have not seen the document that was tabled and therefore cannot make a judgment that it was in fact the document that was sought to be tabled.
Stewart Barbara: Health Practitioners Competence Assurance Bill — In Committee 
Stewart Barbara: Health Practitioners Competence Assurance Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:611;Page:8138] 
BARBARA STEWART (NZ First) 
: 
 I thank the Chair for the opportunity to participate in this part of the debate. I will take only a short call. Part 4 focuses on complaints and discipline and it is a lengthy part. We believe that a complaints and disciplinary procedure is always needed and we support this part. This part is clearly set out. It is very comprehensive and we believe like the previous speaker Heather Roy that it will be very difficult for any disciplinary tribunal to be confused. We believe that professional self-regulation is a key factor in the success of this part particularly if one has the confidence of the public in mind. One of the concerns we did have was the apparent powers of the Minister of Health—any Minister of Health—but that has more than likely been the case in previous situations anyway so it did not really cause us a great deal of concern. There does appear to be though a lot of room for influence by the various Governments of the day but we accept that that is part of the playing field anyway. We definitely support the Health Practitioners Disciplinary Tribunal comprising a majority of health practitioners because they do have the clinical knowledge and expertise to make a judgment on any charges that are brought forward and we think that is absolutely essential.
Vote: Television New Zealand Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Television New Zealand Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:606;Page:3823] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 4 as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 68 
Noes 48 
Part 4 as amended agreed to. 
Labour 52; Green Party 8; United Future 8. 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8.
Smith Nick: General Debates 
Smith Nick: General Debates 
[Volume:619;Page:15035] 
Hon Dr NICK SMITH (National—Nelson) 
: 
 I seek leave to table the report of the New Zealand Forest Industries Council pointing out that 21 new timber-processing plants are being built in Australia and none in New Zealand. 
Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to table that document. Is there any objection? There is objection.
Burton Mark: Responses — Mr Frank Alefounder—Statements Made By Larry Baldock MP 
Burton Mark: Responses — Mr Frank Alefounder—Statements Made By Larry Baldock MP 
[Volume:620;Page:15785] 
Hon MARK BURTON (Acting Leader of the House) 
: 
 I move  
That that paper be published 
. 
Motion agreed to.
Brownlee Gerry: Business of the House 
Brownlee Gerry: Business of the House 
[Volume:610;Page:7981] 
GERRY BROWNLEE (NZ National—Ilam) 
: 
 I thank the Leader of the House for giving us an indication of what might be on the Order Paper when we resume. Would he be able to give us some indication of when we might expect to see some legislation relating to the Crown’s interest in the seabed and foreshore? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN 
: I suppose I can say in the fullness of tide in this case rather than in the fullness of time.
Robertson H V Ross: Resource Management and Electricity Legislation Amendment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Robertson H V Ross: Resource Management and Electricity Legislation Amendment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:627;Page:22281] 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Thank you very much for your contribution Mr Parker. The test for admissibility of an amendment is whether it is relevant; not whether it is new policy. It will be for the Chairperson to rule on whether these amendments are relevant when the House gets to the Committee stage of the legislation.
Vote: Public Finance (State Sector Management) Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume 
Vote: Public Finance (State Sector Management) Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Sitting date: 14 December 2004. Volume:622;Page:17887. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 3 as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 71 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2; Maori Party 1. 
Noes 49 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 9. 
Part 3 as amended agreed to.
Hide Rodney: Foreshore and Seabed Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Hide Rodney: Foreshore and Seabed Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:621;Page:17010] 
RODNEY HIDE (Leader—ACT) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I am sorry to raise this but I just need your clarification. We are discussing Part 2. Does that include new Part 2A or will that be separate?
Prebble Richard: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Discharge In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Prebble Richard: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Discharge In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:611;Page:8819] 
Hon RICHARD PREBBLE (Leader—ACT NZ) 
: 
 I uphold your ruling— 
Hon Member 
: She hasn’t done it. 
Hon RICHARD PREBBLE 
: As I understand it the Chair has made a ruling with respect. The Chair has said there were a lot of comments and does not intend to take any action and as I understand it the point of order was over. If the point of order were under way then any comment would be out of order but it is over. The comment “waste of space” does not seem to me to be the worst insult I have heard thrown across the Chmber. I know there are only 2 minutes left but I would quite like to get on to the bill.