Watts SimonSIMON WATTS (National—North Shore): Thank you very much Mr Chair. I want to move to three more clauses that we haven't discussed so far in this debate and they relate to clause 133—that's the first one that we'll go through which is around the amendment of the Government policy statement. These questions are generally short so I appreciate the ability to engage in some responses in regards to this. But I'm wanting clarity from the Minister in the chair Nanaia Mahuta in regards to clause 133 which is around what will be the role of Government in terms of the Government policy statements included within this subpart. How much input does the Minister expect that central government will need to have or will have in regards to the preparation of those policy statements?The second question I've got is in regards to clause 141. The Minister will be aware that I've got a tabled amendment in regards to clause 140 but my point around clause 141 is in regards to—this is the mechanism in which post the Te Mana o te Wai statements being prepared by mana whenua the water services entities must respond to those statements. So the question that I've got in regards to that is actually how much influence or how much change if any does the Minister envision will result in regards to that response or feedback process back from the water services entity to mana whenua in regards to the Te Mana o te Wai statements? The Minister in her feedback back to the committee before used words such as the Te Mana o te Wai statements are not binary" I think was the quote that I had but the reality is these statements are binding. So I think there's quite a subtle difference in terms of—while they might be non-binary they are binding in terms of actually the need to comply.So I'm wanting some clarity from the Minister in terms of how she foresees that engagement process between the water services entity and mana whenua and how much impact these statements will actually have on the core business of the water services entity. You know there was a description and some dialogue we had previously in terms of the role which we envisage these statements to play and I acknowledge that and we're not going to get into that but how much influence in reality does the Minister foresee that these statements are actually going to have in regards to the core business of the water services entity?The last point I want to cover if I may is in regards to my Supplementary Order Paper 299 in regards to clause 140. The Minister will be familiar with this question—we discussed this in the committee today—but I'm still not satisfied in regards to why groups outside of mana whenua are excluded from having the ability to input into these Te Mana o te Wai statements on the basis that these statements are binding on the water services entities. The Minister has said in her own words that there are other groups that have been you know engaged with in regards to setting the principles around these statements. So why is it that these groups are excluded?I'd appreciate a little bit of context in terms of that because I think it's really important that—you know I use the example of someone in rural New Zealand who's got a farm and I'm looking at Barbara Kuriger who knows a little bit about farming; you know just a little. But you know many of us have a river or a stream or drainage going through the farm—very very common in the Waikato particularly. So therefore if you've got a river or a stream going through your farm why is it appropriate in terms of the Te Mana o te Wai statements that are prepared by mana whenua that for example that rural community or that farmer that owns that land doesn't have the ability to input into those statements? I'm sure that in terms of the concepts of those statements and the concept in terms of the environmental role that they play and I think the Minister articulated earlier—why is it so that those groups are excluded?Surely it would add more power and more value and be better for future outcomes both in terms of environment but also in terms of the community aspect if more than just mana whenua had the ability to input into that statement."