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Mallard Trevor: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Mallard Trevor: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Sitting date: 22 August 2012. Volume:683;Page:4702. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 It is not my intention to take a full call now but I thought it would be important to acknowledge the role that an individual single member can have in getting legislation moved along. I want to in particular thank Jacinda and compliment her on the work that she has done in Auckland Central and on behalf of the people in the video industry. It is interesting to see when an individual hears a representation picks it up ensures it is considered by the Business Committee has a bill lifted up the Order Paper and has it debated in a way as we are doing now how one individual efficient member of Parliament can cause focus on a piece of legislation. 
Notwithstanding the fact that my copy of the Regulatory Reform Bill states that the Hon Rodney Hide is in charge of the bill I think it is probably likely that it is now John Banks who is the member in charge of it. So notwithstanding the fact that one of the most useless Ministers in the House is in charge of the bill now we have worked on the basis that another Minister who could only be more talented is sitting in the chair and saying nothing in order that the Committee can make progress on Part 5 of the bill which is something that is important to Kiwis and can save hundreds of thousands of dollars a year for people involved in the industry the people who are making the purchases. 
Hon Lianne Dalziel 
: It’s the only thing that does things for business in this whole bill. 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: It is the only thing that does things for business in the bill. There could be whole pile of complaints about it taking this long but what I just want to say is that my colleague indicated to the Business Committee through Mr Hipkins and me how important this legislation is. We had had no idea from John Banks about the importance of it. 
Hon Member 
: He doesn’t know about it. 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: He probably does not know about it. As a result we are dealing with the Committee stage today and I am sure that the efficient Government will have it on for a very short third reading tomorrow.
Robertson H V Ross: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Robertson H V Ross: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Sitting date: 22 August 2012. Volume:683;Page:4701. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Thank you. Just before I call the next member can I advise members that I have been advised that the mikes on our desks are now working so there is no need to have the wireless mike any more.
Williams Andrew: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Williams Andrew: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Sitting date: 22 August 2012. Volume:683;Page:4701. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
ANDREW WILLIAMS (NZ First) 
: 
 I take a call on behalf of New Zealand First in relation to the Regulatory Reform Bill Part 5 which refers to the Films Videos and Publications Classification Act 1993. It is a little bit like Part 3 which we discussed a short time ago in relation to improving the electronic regulatory side and bringing new systems and new technology into being. This is the same application in terms of the film and video publications industry. 
In this respect it is very clear from the wording of the bill that what this allows for for instance is that the chief censor will establish an electronic register for this particular medium and for classifications—and this is from 1 November 2011—rather than as previously when the classification office used to publish a monthly list of such decisions. Obviously time has moved on. We are now in the electronic age and having an electronic register rather than lists being published on a monthly basis is a much more efficient method for the industry concerned. 
 Also the industry as a result of some of the changes in the legislation here will be allowed to directly print on to the publications rather than be required to affix labels. We are told that just that simple change of methodology of printing directly on to the videos films and other publications has the potential to have significant savings for the industry. We are told that in year 1 the savings to the industry will be in the order of $1.3 million heading towards $2 million by year 5. Therefore again this is a sensible piece of legislation that brings both efficiencies and significant savings to the film and video industry. 
We have said that New Zealand First will support legislation that is good sound and sensible legislation. This is another example of legislation that will help an industry that is very important to New Zealand—our film video and publications industry. It is an industry that does need a level of assistance in terms of being internationally competitive and being able to provide film video and other such publications to the people of New Zealand at an affordable price. Everything that we can do in this Chamber to assist the industry to do that in a more efficient manner is a good thing. So New Zealand First will support this part of the bill and we commend it to the Committee.
Robertson H V Ross: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Robertson H V Ross: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Sitting date: 22 August 2012. Volume:683;Page:4701. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I recognise the honourable member Andrew Williams and advise members that they can interject only on the person who has the floor at the time not on each other.
Robertson H V Ross: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Robertson H V Ross: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Sitting date: 22 August 2012. Volume:683;Page:4699. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I would advise honourable members that Part 5 is debate on clauses 52 to 76 and the schedule.
Vote: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Vote: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Sitting date: 22 August 2012. Volume:683;Page:4699. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 4 be agreed to. 
Ayes 107 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 34; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 3; Mana 1; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 12 
Green Party 12. 
Part 4 agreed to.
Vote: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Vote: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Sitting date: 22 August 2012. Volume:683;Page:4698. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 13 
Green Party 12; Mana 1. 
Noes 106 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 34; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Amendments not agreed to.
Henare Tau: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Henare Tau: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Sitting date: 22 August 2012. Volume:683;Page:4698. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon TAU HENARE (National) 
: 
 I seek leave to make a personal explanation with regard to the incident before. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Is there any objection to that course of action being taken? There is no objection to that course of action being taken. 
Hon TAU HENARE 
: Thank you Mr Chair and thank you to the Committee. Can I make it quite clear that my interjection during the issue in the Committee earlier on tonight was because firstly I could not hear what the Hon Clayton Cosgrove was saying in his point of order—not during his speech not during anybody else’s speech but during the point of order. When I was turfed by the Chairman I was of the understanding that I was being turfed because of my interjection on Clayton Cosgrove. Given the situation with the mikes I am not going to apologise for asking the Hon Clayton Cosgrove to speak up but I want to say and to put it on record that any record of this event at around 8 o’clock should be expunged because I consider my record for the last couple of years to be very very good. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 23 in the name of Eugenie Sage to clause 51 be agreed to.
Robertson H V Ross: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Robertson H V Ross: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Sitting date: 22 August 2012. Volume:683;Page:4698. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: The member is quite right. He can seek leave so the member wishes to do that?
Hipkins Chris: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Hipkins Chris: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Sitting date: 22 August 2012. Volume:683;Page:4698. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
CHRIS HIPKINS (Senior Whip—Labour) 
: 
 I think the Speaker’s ruling that you have referred to is absolutely the correct one. If the member felt that he had been in some way unfairly defamed or that a reflection had been cast on his character that was unfair he could seek leave to make a personal explanation about that but he cannot question the ruling of the Chair or subsequently come back and challenge a decision of the Chairperson. But he could indeed make a personal explanation if the Committee was willing to grant him leave to do that. 
Hon Tau Henare 
: Point of order—
Robertson H V Ross: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Robertson H V Ross: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Sitting date: 22 August 2012. Volume:683;Page:4698. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Well the member is perfectly entitled to make a personal explanation.
Henare Tau: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Henare Tau: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Sitting date: 22 August 2012. Volume:683;Page:4698. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon TAU HENARE (National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. My point of order is not reflecting on the Chair. I am asking for some clarification about why I was turfed from the Chamber. You yourself said that you watched it on TV and what I am saying to this Chamber—so maybe I should take a point of order and seek leave to make a personal explanation which might work it out.
Robertson H V Ross: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Robertson H V Ross: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Sitting date: 22 August 2012. Volume:683;Page:4698. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Can I just say to the member that I would like to refer him to Speaker’s ruling 79/1 and that is that the member is not in order in reflecting on the actions of presiding officers. I leave it at that.
Henare Tau: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Henare Tau: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Sitting date: 22 August 2012. Volume:683;Page:4697. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon TAU HENARE (National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I thought that personalities aside vis-à-vis who is in the Chair this is a question about the Chair to the Chair. It may be easy for you to move on but it is me who has got a strike against his name. It was the Chair—not Eric Roy but the Chair—who turfed me. What I am saying and what I hold to is that I believe that I was being thrown out because of my interjection on the Hon Clayton Cosgrove whom I could not hear. I want to see if we cannot get some closure on that issue. It is not about Eric Roy; I can talk to him any time I want.
Robertson H V Ross: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Robertson H V Ross: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Sitting date: 22 August 2012. Volume:683;Page:4697. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: To be brief it was basically to say let us move on and I am sure that the member is quite capable of raising the issue with the person concerned. So let us move on.
Robertson H V Ross: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Robertson H V Ross: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Sitting date: 22 August 2012. Volume:683;Page:4697. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Can I just say to the member that it is in the past. It is gone. I understand where the member is coming from but let us put those things that divide us behind us and move on. I am sure the member is quite capable enough of actually talking to the member concerned and expressing their surprise at what happened and I am sure that something could be worked out. But at the present stage I am bound by what I saw when I was watching Parliament. The member was asked to leave. He did so correctly and there I would like to move on. But thank you for bringing it to the attention of the Committee.
Henare Tau: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Henare Tau: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Sitting date: 22 August 2012. Volume:683;Page:4696. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon TAU HENARE (National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. Some time ago tonight around 10 past 8 or thereabouts I was asked to leave the Chamber. I seek some clarification. I was watching on TV— 
Chris Hipkins 
: Point of order— 
Hon TAU HENARE 
: Actually this is a point of order. It is a point of order so sit down. Sit down. You sit down idiot. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Order! Can I just advise the member that I was watching when the member was asked to leave the Chamber and I heard the Chairperson of the Committee say that the member was entitled to come back in at 9 o’clock. I am happy to abide by that previous ruling. Right now where were we? 
Hon TAU HENARE 
: As I was saying before I was rudely interrupted— 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Order! Will the member please be seated. The member is a longstanding member. He knows that when it comes to a point of order it has to be terse and to the point. If we get involved in the politics it leads to unrest in the Committee. 
Hon TAU HENARE 
: Let us start again. At around some time about 10 past 8— 
Hon Annette King 
: What’s the point of order? 
Hon TAU HENARE 
: What is the point of it? If you shut up and listen I will tell you. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Please be seated. Can I just say to members that I know it is a bit—what is the word; I am trying to think of a good word—antagonistic tonight because the microphones are down. I appreciate that and I understand it. But can I say to members that when there is a point of order on the floor it is to be heard in silence. There have been a number of Speakers’ rulings about what happens when they are not heard in silence. I call the Hon Tau Henare and I ask him to be respectful because courtesy is contagious. 
Hon TAU HENARE 
: At around 10 past 8 I was asked to leave the Chamber. I was interjecting on Clayton Cosgrove because I could not hear him. All I said to Clayton Cosgrove was: “Speak up speak up I cannot hear you.” I watched the Chairman tell the Committee that I was turfed because I interjected on him while he was standing. Can you give me some sort of clarification on who might be right in this issue?
Robertson H V Ross: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Robertson H V Ross: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Sitting date: 22 August 2012. Volume:683;Page:4696. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Can I just advise members when they have finished speaking that they pass the microphone back to the attendants. Thank you.
Mallard Trevor: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Mallard Trevor: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Sitting date: 22 August 2012. Volume:683;Page:4694. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. It might be to the benefit of the other side but I am seeking a copy of the bill. It is normal practice for a copy of the bill to be on the Table of the House. It does not appear to be the case at least on this side. That is a distinct disadvantage for members if they not only cannot be heard but also cannot see the bill. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Thank you to the honourable member and we will ensure that that happens. It is being organised.
Williams Andrew: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Williams Andrew: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Sitting date: 22 August 2012. Volume:683;Page:4693. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
ANDREW WILLIAMS (NZ First) 
: 
 I take a call on behalf of New Zealand First on Part 3 of the Regulatory Reform Bill. In particular just to bring some focus on this particular part of the bill I say that we support this in that it particularly focuses on the Companies Act 1993 in relation to the use of increased electronics for the servicing of documents on shareholders and creditors and for the methods of holding meetings in allowing electronic means of holding meetings. That is most appropriate tonight in view of the electronic limitations that this Parliament has. But this bill specifically allows for companies to allow shareholders and participants of the company to participate in holding meetings via electronic means such as audiovisual and other electronic communications. So it brings it into line with modern technology which is a good thing. It allows for shareholder participation by electronic means in terms of distribution of documents by electronic means as well including the likes of proxies and other instruments of a company for the undertaking of their business. This is a good thing. 
This part of the Regulatory Reform Bill is welcome. It just means that New Zealand comes into the 21st century in terms of what would be a modern expectation for companies to undertake their business and for commerce in New Zealand to be competitive on a global stage with competitors around the world. Therefore New Zealand First certainly supports this. It will help New Zealand be more competitive in global business. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 20 in the name of the Hon John Banks to Part 3 be agreed to. 
Amendment agreed to. 
Part 3 as amended agreed to.
Curran Clare: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Curran Clare: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Sitting date: 22 August 2012. Volume:683;Page:4692. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
CLARE CURRAN (Labour—Dunedin South) 
: 
 For the second time! I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I accept that I do not have the loudest voice in this Chamber but I have on two occasions now stood up here and said: “Mr Chair” attempting to take a call. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: I did not see the member stand when I looked around. I did not see the member and I looked around. 
CLARE CURRAN 
: I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I accept that I am not the tallest member in the Chamber either but I have on two occasions now stood here and said: “Mr Chair”. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: In regard to a call? Because I asked whether anybody was seeking a call. 
CLARE CURRAN 
: In regards to a call but I did not have the microphone and my point is that without the microphone the Opposition members in the Chamber are compromised unless they have extraordinarily loud booming voices or happen to be maybe around 6 foot tall. 
Louise Upston 
: If the member is referring to any calls in Part 2 clearly no one stood so therefore no one called in Part 2. We are now on Part 3. The member sought a call and she has been given it so I am not sure why we do not just carry on. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: That is precisely the point. I actually took the precaution of saying: “Is some member seeking the call?” and looked around. I did the same on Part 3 and I have acknowledged that the member has the call on Part 3 if the member wants that.
Roy Eric: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Roy Eric: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Sitting date: 22 August 2012. Volume:683;Page:4692. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: Yes I did see the member stand up and I chose to let the Committee determine whether it would take a closure motion. I saw that. I then was very careful on the next occasion as I will be now as I put the question that Part 3 stand part. 
Clare Curran 
: Mr Chair— 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: Are you seeking the call? I call Clare Curran.
Faafoi Kris: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Faafoi Kris: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Sitting date: 22 August 2012. Volume:683;Page:4692. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
KRIS FAAFOI (Labour—Mana) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I am not going to challenge the ruling that you made in Part 1 where I did try to seek a call at the very end of that debate. But I get the funny feeling that you may not have seen me stand up or heard me speak when I asked for a call on Part 1.
Roy Eric: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Roy Eric: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Sitting date: 22 August 2012. Volume:683;Page:4692. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: Yes I am very cognisant of what the Speaker said. I looked around to see whether any member was on their feet seeking a call. When that did not happen I proceeded. I will do that on each occasion. I said: “Is any member seeking the call? I will put the motion.”
Smith Lockwood: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Smith Lockwood: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Sitting date: 22 August 2012. Volume:683;Page:4686. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I thank honourable members. 
Hon Simon Bridges 
: Mr Speaker— 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I will hear finally from the Hon Simon Bridges.
Curran Clare: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Curran Clare: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Sitting date: 22 August 2012. Volume:683;Page:4691. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
CLARE CURRAN (Labour—Dunedin South) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. One of the issues with the lack of sound in the Chamber is actually the inability to be heard when one stands and attempts to seek a call. So I would like to draw the Committee’s attention to that that that is an issue on this side of the Chamber which is the Opposition.
Roy Eric: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Roy Eric: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Sitting date: 22 August 2012. Volume:683;Page:4691. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: The question now is that Part 3 stand part. Are you taking a call? You must call.
Upston Louise: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Upston Louise: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Sitting date: 22 August 2012. Volume:683;Page:4691. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
LOUISE UPSTON (Junior Whip—National) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
. 
Motion agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 20 in the name of the Hon John Banks to Part 1 be agreed to. 
Amendment agreed to. 
Part 1 as amended agreed to.
Roy Eric: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Roy Eric: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Sitting date: 22 August 2012. Volume:683;Page:4689. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: The House in Committee for the Regulatory Reform Bill is resumed. I think the Hon Lianne Dalziel had the call and she has just over 4 minutes remaining. I think I should respond to ejecting someone from the Chamber. I have been informed that this microphone has been live the whole time. Whether or not it was having spent my formative years as a drum major I am quite sure the member heard me. The reason he got ejected was for interjecting while I was on my feet and he clearly can see even if he cannot hear. But given the complexities that the House has been in he is able to return to the Chamber at 9 p.m.
Smith Lockwood: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Smith Lockwood: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Sitting date: 22 August 2012. Volume:683;Page:4689. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I hear the member’s point. Every endeavour will be made to ensure that it does not happen again. Sadly modern electronic systems are not totally foolproof yet. But the member makes a perfectly good point. Every effort will be made to ensure we are not let down like this again. I do apologise to members.
Hipkins Chris: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Hipkins Chris: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Sitting date: 22 August 2012. Volume:683;Page:4689. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
CHRIS HIPKINS (Senior Whip—Labour) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I do not want to prolong this any further and I think it is probably a discussion that will need to happen in another forum. This is not the first time the House has had difficulties with the sound system. In fact we have encountered difficulties before where everything that occurred in the debating chamber was broadcast whether the member’s microphone was audible within the Chamber or not. I want to raise with you that I think this is becoming quite a problem and I would like some assurance that it is going to be dealt with finally so that we do not have these recurring problems. It has been a recurring problem the entire time I have been a member of Parliament—4 years—since I understand this current sound system was put in place.
Smith Lockwood: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Smith Lockwood: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Sitting date: 22 August 2012. Volume:683;Page:4689. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Order! I see where the member is going and I must point out to him and to save the House’s time that that is a matter for the Chair of the Committee. The Speaker cannot interfere in that matter. That is a matter for the Chair of the Committee.
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McClay Todd: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Sitting date: 22 August 2012. Volume:683;Page:4688. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
TODD McCLAY (National—Rotorua) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. It is a separate point of order. Prior to your being recalled Mr Cosgrove was speaking in the Chamber and the Hon Tau Henare was called upon to leave the Chamber. I was sitting closer to both the Chair and the speaker at the time in the debate and it was not clear to me—let alone I would assume Mr Henare—whether it was a speech or a point of order that was made. We have heard from members in the points of order previous to this that there was difficulty with microphones on the Opposition side of the House and that it was extremely difficult to be heard. Indeed the Chair at the time said that he was able to see Mr Henare but actually to be able to see somebody and to hear the instruction on whether it was a point of order or a speech I would suggest are different things so I wonder—
Smith Lockwood: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Smith Lockwood: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Sitting date: 22 August 2012. Volume:683;Page:4688. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I want to make sure that the Minister in the chair is aware of this issue. I think it is pretty easy to tell which mikes are working and I think we must make sure that before a member’s time has started the Chair of the Committee is satisfied that the member’s microphone is working and then— 
Hon Lianne Dalziel 
: And it’s being broadcast. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Because if it is working it will be broadcast. If the— 
Hon Lianne Dalziel 
: Publicly. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: My advice is that where there is a microphone that is working it will get through in the public system. That is my advice. So if a member starts to speak—and it is quickly obvious whether the microphone is working or not—I would ask that the time be stopped until the member is delivered a hand mike. Then the broadcast is fair to all members in that their contributions to the debate are getting through in a fair and reasonable manner. I do apologise. I apologise to all members in the House. This is unsatisfactory. It is beyond the control I think of any of us but I appreciate very much your cooperation during a difficult time. I want to make sure no member is disadvantaged by it. And I ask the Chair of the Committee to ensure for me that no member is disadvantaged by it.
Dalziel Lianne: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Dalziel Lianne: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Sitting date: 22 August 2012. Volume:683;Page:4688. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon LIANNE DALZIEL (Labour—Christchurch East) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. The point of order that I raise is in regard to a tweet from Parliament today from @ParliamentNZ which states: “Sound problems hit Parliament again. Dalziel plows on undeterred and Minister in chair does not realise his mike is on”. And that was the point my colleague Clayton Cosgrove made when he came down to the Chamber which is that the broadcast system was picking up the Minister in the chair’s mike but not anyone else’s mike. That does indicate that in fact there is an unfair disadvantage in that some members are able to be heard publicly but not others.
Bridges Simon: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Bridges Simon: Regulatory Reform Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Sitting date: 22 August 2012. Volume:683;Page:4682. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon SIMON BRIDGES (Minister of Consumer Affairs) 
: 
 I want to take just a brief call as the Minister in the chair. I want to say I have never heard a better speech from the member Lianne Dalziel. That is because I could not hear it. I also want to say that despite everything the other side has said this bill the Regulatory Reform Bill is a worthy bill. Actually it is important that we clear these sorts of statutes that have been sitting on the book that serve no purpose and that in fact get in the way of businesses. The statutes need to be taken off the books. We on this side of the Chamber wholeheartedly support this bill and think this bill is going to do a good job.
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Mr SPEAKER 
: Obviously we do not know whether that is going to happen but to me the issue that I would find—and this is me as Speaker almost thinking off the top of my head here—unacceptable would be for some parties in the House some members in this House to be heard by the public during a debate when other members cannot be heard. That to me would be an unsatisfactory situation. However members have also pointed out that there is no Standing Order requirement for the broadcasts. If in fact there was unfairness on what was going through it would be totally within the Standing Orders of the House to close down the broadcasts. As members have pointed out the rules cover the debate in this House. They facilitate the broadcasting of the debate. 
But to me the thing that would be unreasonable would be if any one member’s or party’s views were getting through to the public on important issues and other members’ or parties’ views were not. I personally would find that unreasonable and I stress I am talking off the top of my head here. It would seem to me that the only fair way to deal with that would be to actually close down that unbalanced broadcast. I do not know but I imagine that it is technically possible to close it down. I think that would be the most sensible way to deal with that situation. The Standing Orders do not require the broadcast; they facilitate it. If it is an unfair broadcast I think we should not allow an unfair broadcast.
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Hon CLAYTON COSGROVE (Labour) 
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 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. Thank you for that. I just wanted to touch on one point. You have been advised that the sound is audible through the normal systems—correct? My question simply would be this. If there is a failure later this evening or whenever what is the position of the House if that does drop out? I would just like some guidance so we do not have to go through this again.
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Hon SIMON BRIDGES (Minister of Consumer Affairs) 
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 I appreciate that we want to get on with this but it is a relatively rare point that we are not likely to deal with commonly. I concur with Louise Upston. I do not think there is a rule directly on this. I would also just make the point which is really related to the point that the Hon Dr Nick Smith made that this is a debating chamber and the central point of this Chamber is that members can hear each other. We can now do that with that microphone. Anything else I would suggest is really ancillary to that point. The other point I would make which relates is that because this is now being done by microphone it is not as if Hansard cannot transcribe and record this. It can do that. So anyone who wishes to following this debate will be able to see what is said verbatim. In fact people outside of this Chamber whether it is being broadcast live or not will be able to pick up what is said.
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ANDREW WILLIAMS (NZ First) 
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 There are two points. Firstly we seem to be in a vacuum here in terms of anyone with technical expertise who has come and advised us. Much of this seems to be done just from various people’s opinions. I am somewhat aghast that perhaps the Chairman and the Speaker have just simply not asked the technical people to advise what the situation is. Is it a temporary situation or could this be ongoing? If it is ongoing then obviously it causes a more difficult situation. Secondly I think the point that has been made by several of my colleagues is the fact that one side of the House still appears to have a reasonable amount of amplification although the Opposition side of the House does not. Therefore if it was evenly balanced it would not be too much of a problem. But the fact that the people out there who are listening to the broadcast are simply not hearing the Opposition viewpoint does compromise the whole debate and therefore on the basis that it compromises the whole debate and that only the Government’s position essentially can be heard it must put the whole debate into question.
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Hon Dr NICK SMITH (National—Nelson) 
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 I think it would set a dangerous precedent to state that unless Parliament was being broadcast by television and radio it could not continue with its important proceedings. The Chair of the Committee quite appropriately ruled that the Committee should be able to continue. In fact this Parliament performed for over 70 years without microphones and without radio and the precedent that would be set in the event that you rule that we must have Parliament broadcast for it to be able to proceed with the business of the House in my view would be quite detrimental. With a little bit of courtesy there is no reason why Parliament cannot continue with its important functions.
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CLARE CURRAN (Labour—Dunedin South) 
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 The member made a very valid point around the importance of the internet. I think this has actually thrown into relief that the issue we are dealing with here particularly on this side of the House is that members cannot be heard. Whether it is just the Opposition side of the House or not it is unknown whether or not they are able to be heard on radio. The member made a very important point about the internet and the importance of being able to communicate the proceedings of Parliament via the internet. The other point I would like to make is that since the sound went off there have been issues of order in the House and one member has been ejected because of the amount of disorder. So I would ask you to take that into account.
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Mr SPEAKER 
: I thank honourable members for their comments. 
Clare Curran 
: Mr Speaker— 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Does Clare Curran wish to speak?
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BRENDAN HORAN (NZ First) 
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 I think from the Opposition side we are most concerned that the Opposition is not being heard but not just in New Zealand because across the world people are live streaming. Admittedly in Finland and Hungary they have turned off from New Zealand but we do not want the rest of the world to think we cannot operate a simple sound system. So please take that into consideration in your ruling. Thank you.
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That clause 1 be agreed to. 
Ayes 72 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 46 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 11; Mana 1. 
Clause 1 agreed to.
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LOUISE UPSTON (Junior Whip—National) 
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 I have not found anywhere in the Standing Orders that there is a requirement for Parliament to be broadcast. Surely the debate occurs within this Chamber. I would like to request that we continue.
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Hon CLAYTON COSGROVE (Labour) 
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 I just reiterate my commitment: I have agreed not to sing. I want to say for the record that normally when the Speaker is recalled it is a negative on the Chair. The Chair has done an admirable job to try to navigate through this. The simple proposition is that I and other colleagues have ascertained that from time to time the Chair and the Minister in the chair could be heard. A colleague over there could be heard at one point. I sat up in my office after having made a speech and a number of colleagues the acting whip and my colleague Lianne Dalziel could not be heard audibly. A member was asked to leave the Chamber for a variety of reasons including perhaps that he could not hear. The question we simply wanted to ask and be answered—and this is no implication at all on the Chair—is whether the proceedings of the House should continue whilst there is no audible noise through Radio New Zealand the broadcasting system our internal system or the television broadcast. We have not checked the internet. It cannot be heard. It may be that it is sporadic or patchy through here but we wish to seek your advice in respect of that.
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The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: Mr Speaker the Committee finds itself in—[ 
Interruption 
] Is this microphone going? Mr Speaker I think the technical difficulties that the Committee has been enduring are now apparent by the activities that took place when you came in. About 15 minutes ago there was a bit of a pop and the sound went dead in here. I asked for the Committee to show some tolerance and by and large it did that but then we became aware that various parts of the Chamber were being broadcast on radio and on TV without pictures or at least that is what was reported. [ 
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] Order! Oh sorry Mr Speaker. Consequently an issue has arisen: Standing Order 44(1) which states: “The proceedings of the House are broadcast on radio during all hours of sitting …” became a bit of an issue. We are not entirely sure in how many positions around the Chamber that was happening. The Clerk arrived with the temporary microphone which I have now seen. We are still not exactly sure how widely this is being broadcast. As you are aware sound is being amplified inside the Chamber. So it was determined that your advice be sought on this and that possibly also gives some time for remedial action to take place technically. We look forward to your advice on the matter Mr Speaker.
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The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: No we have now moved to recall the Speaker. We are past that. 
House resumed.
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TODD McCLAY (National—Rotorua) 
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 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson.
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Hon CLAYTON COSGROVE (Labour) 
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 I move  
That the Chairperson report progress to obtain the Speaker’s ruling regarding the failure of the sound system and whether the Committee could proceed while not being broadcast. 
Motion agreed to.
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The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: I have had no indication that Hansard is under any difficulties and I assure the Committee that it is being broadcast on radio and that the television broadcast has sound.