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Obituaries — Hon Herbert Elmer Lorraine Pickering QSO 
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Obituaries — Hon Herbert Elmer Lorraine Pickering QSO 
[Sitting date: 28 July 2009. Volume:656;Page:5139. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Obituaries 
Hon Herbert Elmer Lorraine Pickering QSO 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I regret to inform the House of the death on 25 July 2009 of the Hon Herbert Elmer Lorraine Pickering QSO who represented the electorate of Hurunui from 1961 to 1963 and Rangiora from 1963 to 1972. He was Associate Minister of Finance in 1970 and 1971 and Minister of Education in 1972. I desire on behalf of this House to express our sense of the loss we have sustained and our sympathy with the relatives of the late former member. I now ask members to stand with me and observe a period of silence as a mark of respect for his memory. 
Honourable members stood as a mark of respect.
Visitors — Tonga Kingdom—Speaker of the Legislative Assembly 
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Visitors — Tonga Kingdom—Speaker of the Legislative Assembly 
[Sitting date: 28 July 2009. Volume:656;Page:5139. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Tuesday 28 July 2009 
Mr Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Karakia 
. 
Visitors 
Tonga Kingdom—Speaker of the Legislative Assembly 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I have much pleasure in informing members that the Hon Tu’ilakepa Speaker of the Legislative Assembly of the Kingdom of Tonga is within the precincts of this Chamber. I am sure that members would wish that he be welcomed and accorded a seat on the left of the Chair. 
The Hon Tu’ilakepa accompanied by the Deputy Speaker entered the Chamber and took a seat on the left of the Chair.
Mapp Wayne: Taxation (Consequential Rate Alignment and Remedial Matters) Bill — First Reading 
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Mapp Wayne: Taxation (Consequential Rate Alignment and Remedial Matters) Bill — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 28 July 2009. Volume:656;Page:5180. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon Dr WAYNE MAPP (Minister of Defence) 
 on behalf of the  
Minister of Revenue 
: I move  
That the Finance and Expenditure Committee consider the Taxation (Consequential Rate Alignment and Remedial Matters) Bill 
 that the committee report finally to the House on or before 16 November 2009 and that the committee have authority to meet at any time while the House is sitting (except during questions for oral answer) during any evening on a day on which there has been a sitting of the House and on a Friday in a week in which there has been a sitting of the House despite Standing Orders 187 and 190(1)(b) and (c). 
Motion agreed to.
Smith Lockwood: Visitors — Tonga Kingdom—Speaker of the Legislative Assembly 
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Smith Lockwood: Visitors — Tonga Kingdom—Speaker of the Legislative Assembly 
[Sitting date: 28 July 2009. Volume:656;Page:5139. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I have much pleasure in informing members that the Hon Tu’ilakepa Speaker of the Legislative Assembly of the Kingdom of Tonga is within the precincts of this Chamber. I am sure that members would wish that he be welcomed and accorded a seat on the left of the Chair. 
The Hon Tu’ilakepa accompanied by the Deputy Speaker entered the Chamber and took a seat on the left of the Chair.
Hide Rodney: Points of Order — Parliamentary Complex—Use of Facilities 
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Hide Rodney: Points of Order — Parliamentary Complex—Use of Facilities 
[Sitting date: 28 July 2009. Volume:656;Page:5140. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon RODNEY HIDE (Leader—ACT) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I want to be helpful. My point is that two parties three parties or four parties having a meeting is not a proceeding of Parliament. That is what is different about a select committee and that is why this matter is not a point of order; it is actually a question of the administration of the buildings. It is not a select committee meeting that is being discussed; it is a meeting of two parties which is not a parliamentary proceeding. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I thank the honourable member.
Vote: Taxation (Consequential Rate Alignment and Remedial Matters) Bill — First Reading 
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Vote: Taxation (Consequential Rate Alignment and Remedial Matters) Bill — First Reading 
[Sitting date: 28 July 2009. Volume:656;Page:5180. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Taxation (Consequential Rate Alignment and Remedial Matters) Bill be now read a first time. 
Ayes 113 
New Zealand National 58; New Zealand Labour 43; ACT New Zealand 5; Maori Party 5; Progressive 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 9 
Green Party 9. 
Bill read a first time.
Parker David: Points of Order — Parliamentary Complex—Use of Facilities 
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Parker David: Points of Order — Parliamentary Complex—Use of Facilities 
[Sitting date: 28 July 2009. Volume:656;Page:5141. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon DAVID PARKER (Labour) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I stress that I do not want to take more time on this matter because we have established that it is not a matter that can be handled by way of point of order. 
Hon DAVID PARKER 
: With respect Mr Speaker I disagree with the Hon Rodney Hide’s point of order because what jurisdiction can you have but as Speaker of the House? You do not have any private jurisdiction in respect of the offices that we all occupy; you have that role as Speaker of the House. I accept that these things are normally dealt with in an administrative way that does not take the time of the House because they are normally non-contentious but when contention arises it is in your role as Speaker that you resolve the disagreement. That is why I think my colleague the Hon David Cunliffe was proper to raise the matter in this forum. You might very well in response say: “Oh well there are some points there. Come and see me privately and we’ll resolve them.” but I do think it is a point of order that can be validly raised here.
Smith Lockwood: Points of Order — Parliamentary Complex—Use of Facilities 
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Smith Lockwood: Points of Order — Parliamentary Complex—Use of Facilities 
[Sitting date: 28 July 2009. Volume:656;Page:5140. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Forgive my interrupting the member but at this stage I do not see the point of order that the member is seeking to have me address as Speaker. The matters he has raised are not matters of the order of this House. They are not matters of the parliamentary process. They are matters that certainly I as Speaker am very much involved with and I invite the member to write to me with his concerns but I cannot address them by way of a point of order. In fact I probably should have stopped the member a little earlier because it was not strictly a point of order. I accept the sincerity of the way the member is raising the issue but the correct way to raise it with me is either to come and see me or to write to me again on the matter. But either way I deal with those matters in my role as landlord if you like but not as Speaker and Chair of the parliamentary process here.
Upston Louise: Building Amendment Bill (No 2) — Third Reading 
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Upston Louise: Building Amendment Bill (No 2) — Third Reading 
[Sitting date: 28 July 2009. Volume:656;Page:5199. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
LOUISE UPSTON (National—Taupo) 
:  
E te Manatu o te Whare. Ka whakanui au i te reo o te tangata whenua ka whakanui au i te reo o Aotearoa. Tihei mauri ora. 
[ 
Mr Speaker of the House I celebrate the language of the people of the land and of New Zealand. Behold the sneeze of life 
.] 
I rise to continue my speech on the third reading of the Building Amendment Bill (No 2). It is good to see that the theme of the day is one of speaking about bills that are supported across the House and this bill is another one of those bills. The intention of this bill is obviously to simplify and speed up the processing of multi-use building consents to reduce unnecessary red tape and to make housing more affordable and therefore more accessible for hard-working New Zealanders. This bill is similar to the Parliamentary Rugby Team which played so successfully on Sunday as the bill was initiated by the Hon Shane Jones but it was picked up and will be taken over the line by the Hon Maurice Williamson. This legislation is a vital part of the Government’s programme and I am pleased to commend it to the House.
Mallard Trevor: Points of Order — Parliamentary Complex—Use of Facilities 
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Mallard Trevor: Points of Order — Parliamentary Complex—Use of Facilities 
[Sitting date: 28 July 2009. Volume:656;Page:5140. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. In order to assist in bringing this matter into context I say that the select committee rooms are rooms for committees of this Parliament. Therefore it is my view that there is a question of order. I accept that you have a dual role and your main role in this matter is as chair of the Parliamentary Service Commission or effectively as the Minister responsible. The member right at the beginning indicated his request for the use of a select committee room and I think that is probably a good way to hang that argument. I point out Mr Speaker that in the past I have noted that Government members presumably with your permission have used parliamentary facilities for multiparty events and therefore there is a question of equity. Certainly some announcements between the Maori Party and the Government have been held in the buildings I note to the Leader of the House. I announced the 1996 Labour Party education policy in the Legislative Council Chamber and—
Chauvel Charles: Child and Family Protection Bill — In Committee 
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Chauvel Charles: Child and Family Protection Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 14 July 2011. Volume:674;Page:20155. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
CHARLES CHAUVEL (Labour) 
: 
 I really do implore the Minister in the chair the Associate Minister of Justice to take a call because a number of points have been raised by my colleagues in a bona fide attempt to make the Child and Family Protection Bill better. That is what we are here to do particularly in respect of bills where we agree that the measure should proceed. 
Progress reported. 
Report adopted.
Vote: Taxation (Tax Administration and Remedial Matters) Bill — Second Reading 
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Vote: Taxation (Tax Administration and Remedial Matters) Bill — Second Reading 
[Sitting date: 14 July 2011. Volume:674;Page:20145. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Taxation (Tax Administration and Remedial Matters) Bill be now read a second time. 
Ayes 65 
New Zealand National 56; ACT New Zealand 5; Maori Party 3; United Future 1. 
Noes 53 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 9; Progressive 1; Independent: Carter C. 
Bill read a second time. 
The result corrected after being originally announced as Ayes 67 Noes 53.
Vote: Taxation (Tax Administration and Remedial Matters) Bill — Second Reading 
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Vote: Taxation (Tax Administration and Remedial Matters) Bill — Second Reading 
[Sitting date: 14 July 2011. Volume:674;Page:20144. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments recommended by the Finance and Expenditure Committee by majority be agreed to. 
Ayes 66 
New Zealand National 56; ACT New Zealand 5; Maori Party 4; United Future 1. 
Noes 52 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 9; Independent: Carter C. 
Question agreed to.
Vote: Smoke-free Environments (Controls and Enforcement) Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
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Vote: Smoke-free Environments (Controls and Enforcement) Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
[Sitting date: 14 July 2011. Volume:674;Page:20140. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Smoke-free Environments (Controls and Enforcement) Amendment Bill be now read a third time. 
Ayes 117 
New Zealand National 57; New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 9; ACT New Zealand 2 (Boscawen Hide); Maori Party 4; Progressive 1; United Future 1; Independent: Carter C. 
Noes 3 
ACT New Zealand 3 (Calvert Douglas Roy H). 
Bill read a third time.
Wagner Nicky: Smoke-free Environments (Controls and Enforcement) Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
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[Sitting date: 14 July 2011. Volume:674;Page:20136. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
NICKY WAGNER (National) 
: 
 I too am very pleased to support the final passing of the Smoke-free Environments (Controls and Enforcement) Amendment Bill. I thank everybody who has worked on this bill: the people in the communities people in Parliament the honourable Minister Tariana Turia the Maori Affairs Committee and the Health Committee. I think we are passing this bill today because so many people in this House are absolutely committed to reducing the harm caused by smoking. 
Since 2008 the National Government has been very active in this area. We have made helping smokers to quit one of the six health targets for all district health boards across the country. We have supported those targets with $50 million a year for tobacco control and smoking cessation. We have greatly increased the tax on tobacco and that has proved to be the most effective way to prevent and deter smoking. We have increased that tax by 30 percent over about 2 years and that is the biggest jump ever. Interestingly enough it has had great results. Since the tobacco tax increase there has been a 50 percent increase in the number of people approaching Quitline and about an 82 percent increase in the numbers of people who have committed to smoking cessation treatments. We have banned smoking in prisons which shows that we are prepared to tackle this problem on many fronts. 
It is all part of the Government’s two-pronged strategy to reduce smoking. The first prong is to try to prevent people taking up smoking. It has been interesting to listen to the discussion today and to think about the ages of people when they tend to take up smoking. It is young people between 13 and 16 or 17—that sort of age—who have not really thought through the process of what happens when they smoke tobacco and they end up being addicted before they know what has actually happened. It is interesting to see that very few people take up smoking after the age of 25. The second prong of our strategy is to help existing smokers to quit. 
The purpose of this bill is to prohibit retail displays of tobacco products. It increases the controls on tobacco and facilitates the enforcement of those tobacco controls. It is an important new push towards the Government’s stated goal of halving tobacco consumption by 2015 and being smoke-free by 2025. That will be a tough call but it is a worthy goal and this bill will help. I commend the bill to the House.
Ryall Tony: Business Statement 
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Ryall Tony: Business Statement 
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Hon TONY RYALL (Minister of Health): 
 It is not the Government’s intention to take urgency in the next sitting week.
Macindoe Tim: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Macindoe Tim: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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11. 
TIM MACINDOE (National—Hamilton West) 
 to the  
Minister for Communications and Information Technology 
: How will the commencement of ultra-fast broadband deployment in Hamilton help economic growth? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE (Minister for Communications and Information Technology) 
: 
 This morning I was privileged to be in Hamilton as the first fibre was laid beginning the roll-out to deliver ultra-fast broadband to 163000 premises across Hamilton Tauranga Whanganui New Plymouth Hawera and Tokoroa. This is one of the key parts of the Government’s economic growth plan. Internet speeds of 100 megabits per second and more will revolutionise the way in which businesses operate. For example Stainless Design this morning stated that it was looking forward to increasing the productivity of its design processes by digitally transferring files to clients immediately for review and approval. Benefits will accrue to schools connecting students to resources around the globe and medical specialists will be available in more places through technologies such as high definition videoconferencing. 
Tim Macindoe 
: When will these users benefit from the roll-out of ultra-fast broadband? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE 
: The roll-out will occur in this area over 5 years with priority users connected by the end of 2015. The roll-out in the central North Island is being conducted by Transfield Services which has said it will need to hire about 350 to 450 new staff 150 of which will be technical staff for its contracts in the central North Island and Canterbury. Telecommunications competition will be increased with wholesale prices as low as half of the current price for business services. Residential customers will enjoy a vastly improved service for the price they currently pay or for less. The Government is once again delivering on its plan for economic growth with this transformative telecommunications infrastructure.
Chadwick Steve: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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10. 
Hon STEVE CHADWICK (Labour) 
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Minister for Senior Citizens 
: What progress has been made on the Positive Ageing Strategy to ensure service delivery for elder abuse prevention to ensure safety for up to 50000 vulnerable older New Zealanders living in their own homes? 
Hon CRAIG FOSS (Minister for Senior Citizens) 
: 
 The Positive Ageing Strategy aims to build a society where people can age positively where older people are highly valued and where they are recognised as an integral part of families and communities. Good progress has been made in this area and in a number of areas including Link Age an online resource produced to promote intergenerational understanding and respect through older people volunteering in schools. I believe that this is one of the best ways to change negative attitudes to ageing and to reduce elder abuse and neglect. More examples of progress are available on the Positive Ageing website. 
Hon Steve Chadwick 
: Why are there eight regions in New Zealand where older New Zealanders have no access to the provision of an elder abuse prevention network programme? 
Hon CRAIG FOSS 
: Service delivery components are the responsibility of the whole community including police family whanau and district health boards. Those services of course are across the whole country. 
Hon Steve Chadwick 
: What advice has he given to the Minister for Social Development and Employment since his briefing to the Social Services Committee on 15 June where he said and it was then reported on 16 June: “I wholeheartedly support anything that is done to turn this around.”; and why have those eight regions not got a contract? 
Hon CRAIG FOSS 
: I repeat my earlier answer: delivery mechanism components are the responsibility of all of the community including Age Concern district health boards police family and whanau.
Hutchison Paul: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Hutchison Paul: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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9. 
Dr PAUL HUTCHISON (National—Hunua) 
 to the  
Acting Minister for Economic Development 
: What recent developments have there been that will boost New Zealand companies’ access to growth-enhancing capital? 
Hon DAVID CARTER (Acting Minister for Economic Development) 
: 
 Last night I was delighted to launch a new venture capital fund called Movac Fund 3. This fund is specifically aimed at young New Zealand technology companies that show significant growth potential. The Government also demonstrates its commitment to these companies by backing the fund through the New Zealand Venture Investment Fund. The Government is proving that it believes that these companies can expand to be good in New Zealand and then take on the world. 
Dr Paul Hutchison 
: Why does the Government provide funding for the New Zealand Venture Investment Fund? 
Hon DAVID CARTER 
: That is a very good question. The key to economic growth is to allow these companies to have access to capital. In that way we can increase substantially the amount of innovation in New Zealand. This Government’s commitment of funding to the New Zealand Venture Investment Fund with a $40 million underwrite last year very much achieved these aims. The New Zealand Venture Investment Fund has now invested in over 100 young technology companies. An interesting study just received showed that those companies have an average revenue per employee of $240000 which is hugely more productive than most New Zealand companies.
Quinn Paul: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Quinn Paul: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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7. 
PAUL QUINN (National) 
 to the  
Minister of Police 
: What reports has she received of efforts by the Police to combat organised crime and drug dealing? 
Hon JUDITH COLLINS (Minister of Police) 
: 
 I am very pleased to report to the House that the police have successfully executed another major operation that targeted organised criminals and the drug trade. As a result of a year-long operation called Operation Hunter 25 people are facing more than 180 charges for drug dealing and related criminal activity in the lower North Island. Police have also recovered $130000 worth of cash and six vehicles that are together valued at around $150000. A separate multi-agency operation in the Western Bay of Plenty has also netted 25 arrests for drug and firearms offences and stolen property. Disrupting the trade in misery and drugs is a big priority for this Government and I commend the police for demonstrating that crime does not pay. 
Paul Quinn 
: What updates has she received on the value of criminal assets that have been confiscated by the police? 
Hon JUDITH COLLINS 
: The latest figures show that at the end of June the police held restraining orders over an estimated $38.5 million worth of ill-gotten assets. Since this Government passed the Criminal Proceeds (Recovery) Act in December 2009 the police have confiscated thousands of dollars worth of cash property cars motorbikes boats and other luxury items. The police are also holding a further $8.5 million worth of assets that have been seized under other legislation. The message to criminals is very clear: the Government and the police will use every tool at their disposal to prevent criminals profiting from their trade in misery.
English Bill: Members Sworn 
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English Bill: Members Sworn 
[Sitting date: 14 July 2011. Volume:674;Page:20107. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon BILL ENGLISH (Deputy Prime Minister) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. Sorry—does Trevor Mallard want to complete his point of order?
Cosgrove Clayton: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Cosgrove Clayton: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Sitting date: 14 July 2011. Volume:674;Page:20112. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon CLAYTON COSGROVE (Labour—Waimakariri) 
: 
 My question is to the Prime Minister— 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I say to the member’s own front-bench colleagues that I want to hear the Hon Clayton Cosgrove.
Bridges Simon: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Bridges Simon: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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1. 
SIMON BRIDGES (National—Tauranga) 
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Minister of Finance 
: What reports has he received on the economy? 
Hon BILL ENGLISH (Minister of Finance) 
: 
 More good news: Statistics New Zealand confirmed today that the economy grew by 0.8 percent in the March 2011 quarter. This means that the economy has now grown in seven of the last eight quarters. GDP growth has been 1.5 percent in the year to 31 March despite the devastating Canterbury earthquake. It is a tribute to the resilience of New Zealanders that through that difficult period they have nevertheless moved to increase the wealth of this country. Today’s figures show that the recovery is under way and the pace of growth is picking up. 
Simon Bridges 
: What factors drove today’s GDP figures? 
Hon BILL ENGLISH 
: Quite surprisingly manufacturing was up by 3.6 percent in the March quarter—the biggest single contributor. I have to say that this is very encouraging in a job-rich part of the economy that took a hammering under the previous Labour Government’s big-taxing big-spending policies. 
Simon Bridges 
: How is the Government’s economic programme supporting growth? 
Hon BILL ENGLISH 
: The Government is backing aspirational and enterprising Kiwis in every possible way it can. The Government is getting its own house in order with a programme that gets us back to surplus and it brought in a range of policies that rebalances the economy from the excessive consumption and property speculation under the previous Government to a focus on savings investment exports and growth over the next 4 or 5 years. 
Simon Bridges 
: What kinds of policies could put that positive growth outlook at risk? 
Hon BILL ENGLISH 
: We know what kinds of policies put it at risk because they are the policies that did so much damage to our economy in the last 10 years: increasing spending increasing taxes bad regulation anti-enterprise and growing government instead of growing the economy.
Mallard Trevor: Business Statement 
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Mallard Trevor: Business Statement 
[Sitting date: 14 July 2011. Volume:674;Page:20109. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I am just checking with I think the acting Acting Leader of the House whether there are any plans for urgency in that first week back.
Ryall Tony: Business Statement 
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Ryall Tony: Business Statement 
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Hon TONY RYALL (Minister of Health) 
 on behalf of the  
Acting Leader of the House 
: When the House resumes on Tuesday 2 August the Government intends to make further progress on the Misuse of Drugs Amendment Bill and on the Committee stage of the Appropriation (2011/12 Estimates) Bill otherwise known as the estimates debate which is an 8-hour debate.
Norman Russel: Members Sworn 
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Norman Russel: Members Sworn 
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Dr RUSSEL NORMAN (Co-Leader—Green) 
: 
 I seek leave for Mr Hone Harawira to be given another opportunity now to take the affirmation. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought for that course of action. Is there any objection? There is objection. 
I appreciate the point made by the Hon Peter Dunne. I appreciate it very much because it is a very serious matter when members of the public disobey the orders of the Speaker in this place. The Speaker must be obeyed in this place. I regretted very much interrupting a waiata. A waiata is such a fundamental part of the culture of this country and I regretted very much having to seek to interrupt a waiata but in the circumstances abuse of the law of this country cannot be celebrated either. That is why I sought to interrupt the waiata. Had the affirmation been taken correctly I would not have interrupted that waiata because it is also very much a core part of our country that I respect very much. I would just ask those who remain in the gallery now please to understand the importance of respecting the rules of this place. I know that it has been suggested that I should but I will not ask for the visitors gallery on my right to be cleared because I feel very bad that I did interrupt a waiata. But I just ask visitors please to respect the rules of this place. They are very important for the freedom of all New Zealanders.
Mallard Trevor: Members Sworn 
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Mallard Trevor: Members Sworn 
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Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 If it is all right I will make the comment that I was going to make otherwise and that was that I did attempt to take the call in order to seek leave in fact for Mr Harawira to take the affirmation again now. That of course was interrupted and in the circumstances I will not proceed with it today. I think it is also fair to say that I have more experience than any other member in what happens to people who interrupt the proceedings of Parliament from the gallery. I served time in Wellington Central Police Station and spent time in the then Magistrate’s Court I think and the High Court of New Zealand as a result of it. I do want to reinforce—on that particular occasion it was a matter of principle as far as I was concerned—that the Speaker’s right to make instructions asking people not to interrupt the House is one that is clear in both the rules of this Parliament and the law of the land.
Smith Lockwood: By-Election — Te Tai Tokerau 
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Smith Lockwood: By-Election — Te Tai Tokerau 
[Sitting date: 14 July 2011. Volume:674;Page:20107. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I have been advised by the Electoral Commissioner that pursuant to section 185 of the Electoral Act 1993 the name of the member elected to the House of Representatives for the Te Tai Tokerau electoral district is Hone Pani Tamati Waka Nene Harawira.
Smith Lockwood: Members Sworn 
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Smith Lockwood: Members Sworn 
[Sitting date: 14 July 2011. Volume:674;Page:20108. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The member raises a perfectly reasonable point of order. The practice that the member herself admits to doing is actually breaking the law. For members to set that kind of example in this place is unacceptable. We must all remember that we as members are not above the law. Had I not made it clear to Hone Harawira prior to his seeking to make his affirmation I would not have taken this course of action. But the law was made very clear to Hone Harawira. He is welcome to come back on the next sitting day of the House when he is prepared to make his affirmation in accordance with the law.
Delahunty Catherine: Members Sworn 
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CATHERINE DELAHUNTY (Green) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. When I made my affirmation I was asked to repeat it—I was given that opportunity—because I also had mentioned Te Tiriti o Waitangi. I am not sure why that was not allowed in this case.
Smith Lockwood: Members Sworn 
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Smith Lockwood: Members Sworn 
[Sitting date: 14 July 2011. Volume:674;Page:20107. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I thank honourable members for their constructive points of order. Members so that you are aware what has taken place is Hone Harawira was advised prior to his taking the affirmation that the law of New Zealand of this country required the affirmation to be taken in a certain way. Our Standing Order 12(e) makes it clear that members must “take the oath or make the affirmation required by law”. The Oaths and Declarations Act of 1957 provides for the making of an affirmation in te reo Maori in a form set out in the regulations made pursuant to section 30A—the Oaths and Declarations (Maori Language) Regulations of 2004. So members I want you to be aware that as Speaker I did not make this decision lightly. There has been a tendency in recent times to abuse our law. It is not just a custom in this House; it is the law of this country. Hone Harawira was advised of the need to comply with the law. He chose not to.
English Bill: Members Sworn 
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English Bill: Members Sworn 
[Sitting date: 14 July 2011. Volume:674;Page:20107. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon BILL ENGLISH (Deputy Prime Minister) 
: 
 Just speaking to the point of order the Chamber has the right to control its proceedings. You Mr Speaker are our representative. Changes in the proceedings are generally accepted by the Chamber when permission is granted and I think it is important the Chamber support you in asserting your authority. If people choose to disregard your authority then they lose the privilege of coming into this Chamber which is representative of the people of New Zealand—a privilege not to be taken lightly.
Mallard Trevor: Members Sworn 
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Mallard Trevor: Members Sworn 
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Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: My point of order was to seek the leave of the House in order for Hone Harawira to make another attempt at taking the oath of the House so that he could represent his people. It appears that that is not universally supported. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Does the Hon Bill English wish to speak?
Mallard Trevor: Members Sworn 
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Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I ask visitors please to respect this Parliament. I ask visitors please to respect this House.
Smith Lockwood: Members Sworn 
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Mr SPEAKER 
: That is not the affirmation required by law. Hone Harawira will now leave the Chamber and return to this Chamber on a sitting day when he is prepared to make his affirmation according to the law of this land. Hone Harawira will now leave the Chamber. [ 
Interruption 
] The member will now leave the Chamber. 
Hone Harawira withdrew from the Chamber.
Harawira Hone: Members Sworn 
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HONE HARAWIRA (Leader—Mana) 
: 
 Ko ahau ko Hone Pani Tamati Waka Nene Harawira ka oati kia piripono me te tino amene atu ki te Tiriti o Waitangi; kia pono kia aro nui aku mahi kia ahu whakamua ai nga tika o nga iwi o Te Tai Tokerau; kia whakapaua e ahau aku kaha— 
[ 
I Hone Pani Tamati Waka Nene Harawira swear to be loyal to the Treaty of Waitangi and to concur with it; that my work be valid and highly focused on advancing the rights of the Northland tribes; that I expend my efforts 
—]
Dunne Peter: Members Sworn 
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Hon PETER DUNNE (Leader—United Future) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. It is in relation to this afternoon’s events. I suspect that the relevant Standing Order is Standing Order 80(1): “The Speaker maintains order and decorum in the House.” During the events that have just occurred you attempted on two occasions to control what was going on in the gallery. That interruption continued and your interventions were ignored. I want to know what redress you now have on behalf of the House to ensure that this sort of activity does not continue. The reason I raise the point is that in effect what has occurred has been a defiance of your authority as Speaker and a defiance therefore of the privileges of this Chamber. I do not think it is a good sign to allow that to go unremarked upon.
Business Statement 
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Business Statement 
Hon TONY RYALL (Minister of Health) 
 on behalf of the  
Acting Leader of the House 
: When the House resumes on Tuesday 2 August the Government intends to make further progress on the Misuse of Drugs Amendment Bill and on the Committee stage of the Appropriation (2011/12 Estimates) Bill otherwise known as the estimates debate which is an 8-hour debate. 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I am just checking with I think the acting Acting Leader of the House whether there are any plans for urgency in that first week back. 
Hon TONY RYALL (Minister of Health): 
 It is not the Government’s intention to take urgency in the next sitting week.
By-Election — Te Tai Tokerau 
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Thursday 14 July 2011 
Mr Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Prayers 
. 
By-Election 
Te Tai Tokerau 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I have been advised by the Electoral Commissioner that pursuant to section 185 of the Electoral Act 1993 the name of the member elected to the House of Representatives for the Te Tai Tokerau electoral district is Hone Pani Tamati Waka Nene Harawira.
English Bill: Amended Answers To Oral Questions — Question No. 5 to Minister 
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Hon BILL ENGLISH (Minister of Finance) 
: 
 I seek leave to make a personal explanation correcting an answer given in the House today. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Rick Barker) 
: Leave is sought for that purpose. Is there any objection? There appears to be none. 
Hon BILL ENGLISH 
: On behalf of the Minister for Tertiary Education today I answered a question regarding Moroccan cooking classes. I told the House that this particular course was self-funded. That is not in fact correct; it is funded by the Government.
Barker Rick: Public Works (Offer Back of and Compensation for Acquired Land) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Rick Barker) 
: Before I call the next speaker I remind members that they are not to bring the Speaker into the debate. We have now had a number of speeches where it is about “you”—“You did this” and “You did that”. Well the Speaker did none of those things. I remind members that such references should be in the third person. It is difficult I know but we need to improve.
Lees-Galloway Iain: Public Works (Offer Back of and Compensation for Acquired Land) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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IAIN LEES-GALLOWAY (Labour—Palmerston North) 
: 
 If Mr Quinn and his party were so enthusiastic about the Public Works (Offer Back of and Compensation for Acquired Land) Amendment Bill if they wanted to see action and if they wanted to get right behind it then it would be a Government bill. 
We have seen already tonight on a members’ day how long it takes for a member’s bill to get through this place. Tonight we have been debating a bill that was first tabled in this House back in 2005. This bill came out of the ballot—here is the press release from Mr Flavell—on 26 July 2007. That is when it came out of the ballot. But by the nature of member’s bills here we are in 2009 having the first reading of this bill. If Mr Quinn was not being so disingenuous about it if he was serious about it and if he did not speak with two faces on it then he would be encouraging his colleagues in National to get behind this bill and make it a Government bill. It is fine for that member to stand up and say that the previous administration did this and that the previous administration did that. You are in Government now. You are in charge. Get on with it—govern. Do your job. Do your job man! 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Rick Barker) 
: Hey! Hey! 
IAIN LEES-GALLOWAY 
: My apologies Mr Assistant Speaker Barker; I did not mean to bring you into the debate. 
This bill is quite simple. I had no intention whatsoever to speak for long on this bill. The aims of this bill are quite clear and simple and the Labour Party supports them. There are two aspects to this bill. The first aspect aims to give the land’s previous owners the first right of refusal should public land become available. The second aspect aims to offer some recourse to those people whose land was acquired under the Public Works Act but was not used for the purpose for which it was acquired. 
Potentially an interesting situation will soon arise around what happens to State-owned land that is used for defence purposes. The Government has said that there is a possibility that some land used for defence purposes will be privatised. The Government has talked about selling off the land to private owners then leasing it back from them. This is a good National Party ideological position: to sell it off then lease it back. But should this bill go through there may be a flaw in that plan if the original owners of that land want to take the land back. My colleague Nanaia Mahuta raised several questions that will hopefully be addressed in the select committee. I would like to add that situation to the mix as a potential tripping point should the Government continue with its planned sale of defence land. But with regard to the bill’s first reading and its referral to the select committee the Labour Party is very happy to support it.
Vote: Sale of Liquor (Youth Alcohol Harm Reduction) Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
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A personal vote was called for on the question  
That the Sale of Liquor (Youth Alcohol Harm Reduction) Amendment Bill be now read a second time. 
Ayes 58 
Ardern J 
Delahunty 
Jones (P) 
Pillay (P) 
Barker 
Fenton 
Katene 
Prasad 
Beaumont (P) 
Fitzsimons (P) 
Kedgley 
Ririnui (P) 
Boscawen 
Flavell 
King A (P) 
Robertson G (P) 
Bradford (P) 
Garrett 
Laban 
Robertson H (P) 
Burns 
Goff (P) 
Lees-Galloway 
Sepuloni 
Carter C (P) 
Graham (P) 
Locke 
Sharples 
Chadwick 
Hague (P) 
Mackey 
Sio 
Chauvel 
Harawira 
Mahuta 
Street (P) 
Choudhary (P) 
Hawkins 
Mallard 
Turei (P) 
Cosgrove (P) 
Hipkins 
Moroney (P) 
Turia 
Cunliffe (P) 
Hodgson 
Nash  
Twyford (P) 
Curran (P) 
Horomia 
Norman 
Dalziel 
Hughes (P) 
O’Connor (P) 
Teller: 
Davis 
Huo 
Parker(P) 
Dyson 
Noes 62 
Adams 
Douglas (P) 
Kaye (P) 
Shanks (P) 
Dunne (P) 
Key (P) 
Smith L (P) 
Auchinvole 
English (P) 
King C  
Smith N (P) 
Bakshi 
Finlayson (P) 
Lee (P) 
te Heuheu (P) 
Bennett D 
Foss (P) 
Lotu-Iiga (P) 
Tisch 
Bennett P (P) 
Gilmore 
Macindoe 
Tolley (P) 
Blue (P) 
Goodhew 
Mapp 
Tremain 
Borrows (P) 
Goudie (P) 
McClay (P) 
Upston (P) 
Bridges (P) 
Groser (P) 
McCully (P) 
Wagner 
Brownlee (P) 
Guy (P) 
Parata (P) 
Wilkinson (P) 
Calder 
Hayes (P) 
Peachey 
Williamson (P) 
Carter D 
Heatley 
Power (P) 
Wong 
Carter J 
Henare (P) 
Quinn 
Woodhouse 
Coleman 
Hide (P) 
Roy E 
Young (P) 
Collins (P) 
Hutchison (P) 
Roy H 
Teller: 
Dean (P) 
Joyce (P) 
Ryall 
Hide 
Motion not agreed to.
Vote: Resource Management (Climate Protection) Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Resource Management (Climate Protection) Amendment Bill be now read a second time. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 9; Maori Party 5. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Motion not agreed to. 
The result corrected after originally being announced as Ayes 57 Noes 64.
Katene Rahui: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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11.  
RAHUI KATENE (Maori Party—Te Tai Tonga) 
 to the  
Minister for Land Information 
: Has any land no longer required for public works been offered back to its former owners; if so at what increase of value? 
Hon MAURICE WILLIAMSON (Minister for Land Information) 
: 
 Yes; in accordance with the Public Works Act 1981 land is offered back to the former owners at the current market value. 
Rahui Katene 
: Why has there been such little progress made since the last round of consultation reviewing the Public Works Act in 2001; and when can New Zealanders expect to see the prompt return of any such land as soon as it is no longer required for a public work? 
Hon MAURICE WILLIAMSON 
: There has been a reasonably long litany of deferrals here as the member quite rightly points out. The Public Works Act was actually reviewed the review was conducted in 2001 and the Cabinet then considered a review of that and the proposed legislative changes in 2003 but then that review and those changes were deferred. A further paper considering policy proposals was considered in February 2005 but consideration of that was further deferred. A review of the Public Works Act and the Land Act 1948 was put before the Cabinet in 2008 and a legislative programme bid was made for the Land (Acquisition Management and Disposal) Bill but again that was deferred and not put through. So there has been a long history from 2001 of proposals and reviews but nothing happening from them. I can assure that member that all land that qualifies to be sold back to the original owner is indeed sold back. 
Rahui Katene 
: What response can be made to the submissions to the 2001 review that suggested that compensation provisions for the offer back of land were deficient in that they did not take into account spiritual cultural and social values associated with land? 
Hon MAURICE WILLIAMSON 
: I am told—and given I have been in the portfolio for only 24 hours I am struggling with some of this—that as part of phase 2 of the reforms to the Resource Management Act this Government is investigating whether compensation for landowners under the Public Works Act 1981 needs to be more generous. Similarly the Government is keen to streamline and better integrate the process under the Public Works Act and other legislation such as the Resource Management Act. That work is currently going on.