Andersen GinnyHon GINNY ANDERSEN (Labour): Thank you very much Madam Chair. Well when I read this through this clause 5 of the bill it seemed to me that officials hadn't been listened to right throughout the process. This was kind of like the ameliorating last hope of trying to have some kind of a transition from where these were funded through legal aid and then suddenly they're not. There's going to be a whole lot of different stages of legal process of people undertaking work and you've got a very short period of time. And I do think that this is going to cause some real hiccups in the justice system over the next couple of months and we will see those reports we will receive letters. I hope they take the time to write to the Minister of Justice because just simply having—CHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger): Hon Andersen the questions in this part are to the Minister not to the officials so please don't—Hon GINNY ANDERSEN: Sorry. I said to the Minister" you may want to ask it so—the Minister may want to be very clear on the fact that if those people who have undertaken work who have had that promise of work to be done—they will be at varying stages of that through the process. And so how that impacts upon someone who's accused how that impacts upon the victim is going to be very interesting. It really concerns me that there has not been sufficient time for such a significant change to enable that transition to take place.There is really a key part here that there is one part in the Schedule that's providing for the transition. It clearly states in clause 7(1) of the Schedule that "if before commencement—(a) the lead provider has obtained the Commissioner's approval to incur a disbursement as part of a … legal aid;". But if it's not been approved or declined a payment claim for respective legal aid services—my advice is that includes disbursement. I think in this particular area the Minister should give consideration to a longer transitional period because that short period of time to have that transition is insufficient for the legal profession.No doubt there will be much more heard about this over the coming weeks when the bill comes into force when it receives the Royal assent when a whole lot of people figure out this has happened—because they haven't been notified and there's no communications provided to lawyers to victims to offenders. They will have to find out through simply turning up at court and finding out that this is no longer occurring. To me that's not fair. That's not fair to New Zealanders who have gone into a process thinking that this was a clear pathway and that pathway has been cut off without clear communication.So if the Minister would like to enlighten us—and my question to him is: what communications whether through his own office or through the Ministry of Justice have been undertaken in order to communicate that section 27 reports will no longer be funded? Where is this how is this being communicated to the legal fraternity to victims to those people who are defence lawyers to those people who are working in the courtrooms? What is the communications plan that has been put in is under way presently—to make sure that when you stop this when it suddenly ceases to exist in 14 days' time from the date of Royal assent—how can we be reassured that there has been some sort of a communications effort so that all those people affected by this law change have in fact had the opportunity to turn their minds to it and prepare?"