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Dean Jacqui; Utikere TangiASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Jacqui Dean): Members the House is resumed. When the House rose for the dinner break it was considering the Resource Management (Enabling Housing Supply and Other Matters) Amendment Bill. The next call is a Labour Party call and I call Tangi UtikereTANGI UTIKERE (Labour—Palmerston North): Thank you Madam Speaker. Look as we head towards Christmas I thought there would be some Christmas cheer around the precinct but after listening prior to the dinner break to the ACT deputy leader's contribution it is clear to me that there is no Christmas cheer anywhere near the ACT Party caucus. What I want to say is we have actually been listening as members of the Environment Committee to councils to developers and to people for whom this will make a real difference. Simon Court: You want to see our video. Wait till you see our video. Our Christmas video is the best video you've ever seen.TANGI UTIKERE: And while Mr Court is there giving us his contribution perhaps that's at odds with his deputy leader because it was something quite different prior to the dinner break.This is a particular bill that will make a huge difference. I've had contributions on the first second and now third reading. I'll leave it there. I commend this bill to the House.
White HelenHELEN WHITE (Labour): I rise in support of this bill and I don't think it's a coincidence that I will say very similar things that have been said on the other side of the House because the reason that there's a consensus over this bill is that the major parties understand the depth of this problem.This bill will mean that my children can actually afford to live in my suburb. They won't have to live a long way away. That's really important to me and it's very important to them. If we did not do this it would really create a very vast gap between our older generation and our younger one. Our younger generation are pretty angry that they've been locked out of Auckland. This is a really important bill for Auckland. It means that we're going to have a lot more affordable houses and they're going to be close to our city. And they're going to be able to be part of a solution to climate change because we will live in places we work and that will be good for everyone.I am absolutely admiring of the capacity of the two major parties to have got together and made this a reality and I am absolutely shocked that ACT would take the position it would in a city that's desperate for housing. It is absolutely contrary to their ideology if it wasn't for their own self-interest in Epsom. Thank you.ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Jenny Salesa): This debate is interrupted. I will resume the Chair after dinner at 7 p.m.Sitting suspended from 5.56 p.m. to 7 p.m.
Kanongata'a AnahilaANAHILA KANONGATA'A-SUISUIKI (Labour): Kia ora e te Mana Whakawā. I'll just make a brief contribution to this the third reading of the Resource Management (Enabling Housing Supply and Other Matters) Amendment Bill. I must respond to the person that just spoke the deputy leader of the ACT Party. She said—and I quote—ACT want younger New Zealanders to someday own their own home." Anyway this bill enabling housing supply will make that someday sooner. As a matter of fact sooner is like next month. In my brief speech in 1874 seven Tongans lived in New Zealand almost 100000 Māori and then the rest were migrant settlers from England that came. According to Stats New Zealand 4.7 Aucklanders lived in either a single dwelling or a tent. Well fast track it here after Labour had built the State housing in the 1930s and the most houses built ever in the last four years—after we've done that and I want to acknowledge the leadership of Dr Megan Woods and of course Minister Parker in the leadership of where we are today. Young people told us at select committee (1) we would hope to buy our own home and (2) we want to live closer to where we work. We want to contribute to climate change by having low-carbon community living and public transport. And in response to infrastructure the infrastructure community came and said to us that building higher would mean less pipes needed. If we built the way the ACT Party had wanted it would mean more pipes and so contributing to climate change. I want to also acknowledge that in this bill the committee has also enabled developers to think in terms of communal living—so communal areas for barbecues for hāngī and for umu pits so that the next generation will live in a community that is built for people. And on that note malo 'aupito."
Coffey TāmatiTĀMATI COFFEY (Labour): I'm very pleased to take a call on this. Can I start by acknowledging the Ministers and the role that they've had to play in this—both Ministers Parker and Woods for their leadership in this space acknowledging that this problem that we are dealing with through this bill is a hangover from previous Governments of both colours and it's those parties that have worked together around the Environment Committee table to be able to try and navigate a pathway forward. It's good actually for us to be able to put our politics aside and actually focus on the real need. That's the number one thing that Kiwis want us to come to this House and sort out is what's happening with our housing situation around the country. The Minister earlier talked about some of the great initiatives that are happening but this is a really big problem and it's going to require lots of tools in the tool box. I listened to the previous speaker from the National Party the Hon Scott Simpson who talked about homeownership. Māori have only ever faced insecure homeownership situations. The highest rate of Māori homeownership was back in the 1980s where people could capitalise on the family benefit to be able to get themselves into homes but it hasn't been that way for a very long time.What this bill does is it will enable multigenerational families whānau to be able to live in the same space. It will create medium density in our cities but also for our tier 2 councils as well of which Rotorua Lakes Council is proudly stepping up and saying We want to be involved in this." Just before they were talking about motels. Yeah back home in Rotorua we have lots of people that are currently using motels as accommodation. It's not the way forward; we need other things to be able to pivot to. This creating medium-density residential areas in our big cities but also our tier 2 councils is going to be a crucial part of that. Māori that are listening in from around the country should feel safe in the knowledge that we've cast our eye over that too. We're making sure that these changes give effect to the principles of Te Tiriti o Waitangi. We're making sure that tangata whenua have access to their ancestral lands their waters their sites their wāhi tapu. All of those become qualifying matters and therefore handbrakes on any kind of development and that is the right thing to do.Enabling housing through this bill and making opportunities for Māori to be able to get on the property ladder has been at the forefront of my mind as I've sat through countless hours of the select committee process and I want to acknowledge our chair who did a stunning job of navigating the politics of the committee navigating through all of the submissions and hearing from the people out there that want change so desperately in this area. So I commend this bill to the House."
Maniapoto Claims Settlement Bill — First Reading
Davidson MaramaVOTINGCorrection—Extended Sitting MotionHon MARAMA DAVIDSON (Co-Leader—Green): Madam Speaker. I'm—ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Jacqui Dean): Is the member taking a point of order?Hon MARAMA DAVIDSON: A point of order seeking leave to correct a vote. ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Jacqui Dean): Any objection to—hang on. Could the member clarify which vote? Hon MARAMA DAVIDSON (Co-Leader—Green): Sure. With genuine apology I seek leave to correct a vote. Earlier today there was an urgency motion in which the Greens didn't offer a proxy vote for the Māori Party. That should have been two votes opposed to that urgency motion.ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Jacqui Dean): Thank you. Leave is sought for that course of action. Is there any objection? There is none. The Ayes are 75 the Noes are 45; the Ayes have it.
Hipkins ChrisSITTINGS OF THE HOUSEHon CHRIS HIPKINS (Leader of the House): I move That the sitting of the House today be extended into tomorrow morning for the first reading and referral to the select committee of the Maniapoto Claims Settlement Bill; the third readings of the Resource Management (Enabling Housing Supply and Other Matters) Amendment Bill and the Sexual Violence Legislation Bill; further consideration in committee of the special debate on current issues and priorities; the first readings and referral to select committees of the Accident Compensation (Maternal Birth Injury and Other Matters) Amendment Bill the Education and Training Amendment Bill (No 2) the Oranga Tamariki Amendment Bill and the Security Information in Proceedings Legislation Bill; and the passing through all stages of the Gambling (Reinstating COVID-19 Modification) Amendment Bill.
Allan KiritapuPersonal Explanation—Question No. 2Hon KIRITAPU ALLAN (Minister of Conservation): Point of order Mr Speaker. I seek leave to make a personal explanation.SPEAKER: Related to?Hon KIRITAPU ALLAN: An interjection I made earlier in the House which I regret so I seek leave to withdraw and apologise.SPEAKER: Is there any objection to that? There appears to be none.Hon KIRITAPU ALLAN: Earlier in question time I made an interjection during the contribution of Mr Luxon and I seek to withdraw and apologise for the sentiment.SPEAKER: Right well I think you just have because you sought leave before.Hon KIRITAPU ALLAN: Thank you—good as gold.SPEAKER: Thank you.
Mallard TrevorPETITIONS PAPERS SELECT COMMITTEE REPORTS AND INTRODUCTION OF BILLSSPEAKER: No bills have been introduced.Petitions have been delivered to the Clerk for presentation.CLERK: Petition of Greg Rzesniowiecki requesting that the House of Representatives amend section 5 of the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act 1990petition of Chris Williams requesting that the House pass legislation to amend the Fisheries Act 1996 to increase the commercial size limit for harvesting snapperpetition of Michael Kampkes requesting that the House send the Resource Management (Enabling Housing Supply and Other Matters) Amendment Bill back to a select committeepetition of Rachel Booth requesting that the House urge the Government to allow border exceptions for parents of New Zealand citizens and residentspetition of Alexandra Birt requesting that the House urge the Government to change MIQ to create an equitable booking systempetition of Breast Cancer Foundation NZ requesting that the House urge the Government to restore and extend the screening programme for breast cancer.SPEAKER: Those petitions stand referred to the Petitions Committee.I present the reports of the Controller and Auditor-General entitled:Inquiry into the Ministry of Social Development's funding of private rental properties for emergency housingObservations from our central government audits: 2020/21.I also present the report of the Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment entitled Wellbeing budgets and the environment: A promised land? Those papers are published under the authority of the House.Select committee reports have been delivered for presentation.CLERK:Report of the Finance and Expenditure Committee on the Reserve Bank of New Zealand's Financial Stability Report November 2021.reports of the Health Committee on the petition of Daniel Timms and the petition of Kylie Findlayreport of the Justice Committee on the Lawyers and Conveyancers (Employed Lawyers Providing Free Legal Services) Amendment Billreports of the Petitions Committee on the petitions of Ashley Jones Carl Smith Don Richards Mary Coupe Tatum Dyer and Wendy Baker.SPEAKER: The bill is set down for second reading and the Financial Stability Report is set down for consideration.
Speaker's Statements — Te Reo Māori Interpretation—Question Time
Mallard TrevorSPEAKER'S STATEMENTSTe Reo Māori Interpretation—Question TimeSPEAKER: Members before we proceed I just want to inform members that for question time we will be without our normal te reo interpretation service as a result of the weather at Wellington Airport and losing both of our interpreters that way. We are hopeful though that by the end of question time we'll have a remote service available and that way people who are listening from outside will be able to have the interpretation. I will now ask for members who do speak in te reo if they wish to to do an interpretation. I did offer to one of the parties that if they didn't like that approach I'd get Mr Jackson to interpret but he doesn't appear to be available.
Salesa JennyTUESDAY 14 DECEMBER 2021The Speaker took the Chair at 2 p.m.KARAKIA/PRAYERSHon JENNY SALESA (Assistant Speaker): Ke tau lotu. 'E 'Otua Māfimafi kuo mau taa'i mālie 'i ho'o 'ofá mo e ngaahi tāpuaki hono kotoa. 'Oku tuku homau lotó ka mau hū atu ke ke malu'i ange mu'a 'a e Kuiní mo tataki ange 'emau fua fatongia 'i he Fale Aleá 'aki 'a e poto Faka-e-'Otua 'ofa pea mo e 'ulungaanga malū ko e 'uhí ko e mo'ui mo e melino 'a e fonuá. 'Oku mau kole atu 'a e ngaahi me'á ni hono kotoa 'i he huafa ho 'aló pē 'e taha ko Sīsū Kalaisi ka ko homau fakamo'uí 'Emeni.
Tuesday 14 December 2021 (continued on Wednesday 15 December 2021) - Volume 756
Oranga Tamariki Amendment Bill — First Reading
VoteA party vote was called for on the question That the Oranga Tamariki Amendment Bill be now read a first time.Ayes 85New Zealand Labour 65; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 10; ACT New Zealand 10.Noes 33New Zealand National 33.Motion agreed to.Bill read first time.ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Jenny Salesa): The question is That the Oranga Tamariki Amendment Bill be considered by the Social Services and Community Committee.Motion agreed to.Bill referred to the Social Services and Community Committee.
Education and Training Amendment Bill (No 2) — First Reading
VoteA party vote was called for on the question That the Education and Training Amendment Bill (No 2) be now read a first time.Ayes 77New Zealand Labour 65; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 10; Te Paati Māori 2.Noes 43New Zealand National 33; ACT New Zealand 10.Motion agreed to.Bill read a first time.A party vote was called for on the question That the Education and Training Amendment Bill (No 2) be considered by the Education and Workforce Committee.Ayes 110New Zealand Labour 65; New Zealand National 33; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 10; Te Paati Māori 2.Noes 10ACT New Zealand 10.Motion agreed to.Bill referred to the Education and Workforce Committee.A party vote was called for on the question That the Education and Training Amendment Bill (No 2) be reported to the House by 2 May 2022.Ayes 77New Zealand Labour 65; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 10; Te Paati Māori 2.Noes 43New Zealand National 33; ACT New Zealand 10.Motion agreed to.
Gambling (Reinstating COVID-19 Modification) Amendment Bill — Third Reading
Sio Aupito William; Dean JacquiThird ReadingHon AUPITO WILLIAM SIO (Minister for Courts) on behalf of the Minister of Internal Affairs: I move That the Gambling (Reinstating COVID-19 Modification) Amendment Bill be now read a third time.Motion agreed to.Bill read a third time.ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Jacqui Dean): The time has come for me to adjourn the House. Before I do that I want to wish everybody who is involved in the running of this House including those who serve and those who participate a very peaceful and happy Christmas. The House stands adjourned until 2 p.m. today.The House adjourned at 11.52 a.m. (Wednesday)
McDowall James; Dean JacquiDr JAMES McDOWALL (ACT): Thank you Madam Speaker. I thought I'd just say a few words rather than just continuing on the fastest democracy in the West as they say. Just very quickly ACT is going to support this. But how appropriate that we're here at the end of the year fixing up a silly little mistake like this. Rushed legislation often has consequences like we're seeing here.We support granting more flexibility. These issues have been discussed and debated to operate as class 3 lotteries and as a board member of an incorporated society myself I know—although we don't run gambling—how difficult this has been for incorporated societies and charities for their fundraising efforts this year and last year; how disruptive COVID-19 has been when you put just hours and hours and months into planning for events and things like that and then suddenly alert levels change and you just lose everything. So it has been tough.Anything like this bill that helps with sustainability for these organisations so that they can give more to the community is a good thing. But I won't hold you up any more because if I do you never know it might expire again and we have to do this all again. So thank you Madam Speaker.ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Jacqui Dean): The question is that the motion be agreed to.Motion agreed to.Bill read a second time.ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Jacqui Dean): In accordance with the determination of the Business Committee this bill is set down for third reading forthwith.
Gambling (Reinstating COVID-19 Modification) Amendment Bill — Second Reading
Sio Aupito William; Dean JacquiSecond ReadingHon AUPITO WILLIAM SIO (Minister for Courts) on behalf of the Minister of Internal Affairs: I move That the Gambling (Reinstating COVID-19 Modification) Amendment Bill be now read a second time.This bill enables charities to draw lotteries online in order to raise funds for their causes. This type of fund-raising activities is considered class 3 gambling under the Gambling Act. Class 3 gambling activity is best described as small lottery-style gambling but requires a licence to operate. Prizes are offered or awarded in a gambling activity on one session of the gambling. Examples include housie instant games and gaming sessions otherwise known as casino evenings. It does not involve a gaming machine and is often run by a corporate society at in-person events. In order to gain a licence the Department of Internal Affairs as the regulator must be satisfied that the charity is financially viable and that the costs will be minimised and returns to the community maximised.The changes being made in this bill have already been through this House and select committee unopposed. I look forward to us being able to resolve this issue in the House today.ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Jacqui Dean): The question is that the motion be agreed to.
Gambling (Reinstating COVID-19 Modification) Amendment Bill — First Reading
Sio Aupito WilliamGAMBLING (REINSTATING COVID-19 MODIFICATION) AMENDMENT BILLFirst ReadingHon AUPITO WILLIAM SIO (Minister for Courts) on behalf of the Minister of Internal Affairs: I seek leave to present a legislative statement on the Gambling (Reinstating COVID-19 Modification) Amendment Bill.ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Jacqui Dean): Leave has been sought for that course of action. Is there any objection? There is none. That legislative statement is published under the authority of the House and can be found on the Parliament website.Hon AUPITO WILLIAM SIO: I move That the Gambling (Reinstating COVID-19 Modification) Amendment Bill be now read a first time.Motion agreed to.Bill read a first time.ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Jacqui Dean): In accordance with the determination of the Business Committee this bill is set down for second reading forthwith.
Security Information in Proceedings Legislation Bill — First reading
McAnulty Kieran; Dean JacquiKIERAN McANULTY (Labour—Wairarapa): Thank you Madam Speaker. I just like everyone in this House support this bill and I would just like to shamelessly take the opportunity to wish everybody a safe and relaxing Christmas. It's not often that the public gets to see this House working together but I take every opportunity to point out that it happens more than people realise. It's always on the last day of the sitting year when people show their true colours and actually demonstrate that we do get on. So to everyone here and everyone watching all the very best.Bill read a first time. ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Jacqui Dean): The question is That the Security Information in Proceedings Legislation Bill be considered by the Justice Committee. Motion agreed to.Bill referred to the Justice Committee.
Mitchell MarkHon MARK MITCHELL (National—Whangaparāoa): Thank you Madam Speaker. It's my pleasure to stand and take a call on the Security Information in Proceedings Legislation Bill in the first reading. Can I just support the comments of Willow-Jean Prime—and it looks like her beautiful daughter has joined us in the House today as well—and just say merry Christmas to everyone. I hope that all of you all my colleagues across the House enjoy a happy and safe Christmas but let's remember that the people that are actually tasked with our national security are still out there working to make sure that they keep us safe.So with this bill I think that always when it comes to national security we should do everything that we can to always take a bipartisan approach and ensure that we put the best possible and the strongest legislation in place to ensure that we not only meet the needs of our country in terms of our national security but we also consider and acknowledge those important Five Eyes partnerships that we have so that they continue to have confidence in us and the way that we treat information. The new legislative regime will cover the disclosure and management of security information in both civil proceedings and the criminal court. For me personally—and we can certainly look into this at that select committee—it is just exactly how the special advocate is going to work because of course it's important that justice is always seen to be done. So we have to have a high level of confidence in terms of how that special advocacy is going to work inside the court system.It's a very good bill. I look forward to receiving it as a new member on the Justice Committee and examining it and improving it through the select committee process and I'm very happy to recommend this bill to the House. Thank you Madam Speaker.
Prime Willow-JeanWILLOW-JEAN PRIME (Labour—Northland): Tēnā koe e te Māngai o te Whare. I just want to echo the sentiments of season's greetings to everybody in the House this afternoon and to Nicole McKee who acknowledged Heeni the pēpē of the House who's here with me today.Now I do just want to take a very brief call on the Security Information in Proceedings Legislation Bill. I am almost one of the last speakers so it has been well traversed why we have this bill before the House today. It is as a result of the Law Commission's 2015 review. We are adopting the majority of those recommendations and what is proposed in this bill includes some of those recommendations. But I do just want to pick up on the contribution from the Green Party from Teanau Tuiono. He mentioned a number of significant matters for Māori and so therefore I do really look forward to the select committee process where we will be able to look at those more thoroughly and in depth. I am a member of the Justice Committee. I look forward to Ginny Andersen ushering this through and being part of that process. With that I commend the bill to the House.
Lorck AnnaANNA LORCK (Labour—Tukituki): Thank you Madam Speaker. I rise to take this call and in doing so extend a warm and Merry Christmas to everyone across the House. I hope that you enjoy a happy holiday. I certainly hope to see some of you in Hawke's Bay.Now back to the bill. The Law Commission found a number of inconsistencies and gaps in the current law. I note from this that the current law does not provide enough assurance that national security information can be adequately protected if it needs to be used in court proceedings. This creates a security risk for New Zealand. The current law can also disadvantage affected people who may not know the reason for a decision against them. The bill achieves some of these objectives and others as well and I look forward to recommending this to the House. Thank you.
O'Connor SimonSIMON O'CONNOR (National—Tāmaki): Oh only five minutes? Isn't it Christmas? No the Christmas will be that actually I won't speak for too long. I think there's a relative comity in the House around this bill.Look fundamentally protecting our national security is a fundamental need of the State of the Crown. But on the other side—and I think actually other speakers have touched on it too—of course the right to a proper and fair trial underpins a healthy democracy and therein lies the tension. But reading through this bill I think it is at this point striking the right balance. There are issues of national security. The information that is shared doesn't always have to be in public. And I think for those listening in who say Well why shouldn't we know?" it's not always just the information that the intelligence services have; it's how that intelligence has been gathered which in turn can compromise future operations.I think others may have touched on it too but we work not just as a single country but we work with our allies—so we're thinking the likes of the UK America Australia and others. We rely quite heavily on their national security and intelligence operations and we have an agreement with them not to compromise their work and their intelligence and we don't want to do that in and through our courts. So I think this is going to bring about a careful balance but importantly and I think as the other speakers have indicated we will want to really tease this out in select committee to make sure that we get this right. We've come back to this House far too many times with amendment bills by this Government.But anyway to finish I suspect having had a trifecta of speeches this morning this will be my last in the House this year—just in case people were getting excited! But through you Madam Speaker can I wish everyone in the House merry Christmas and a happy New Year and I look forward to re-joining you all after hopefully a relaxing break in 2022."
Henderson Emily; Dean JacquiDr EMILY HENDERSON (Labour—Whangārei): Kia ora e te Māngai o te Whare and meri Kirihimete. Delighted to rise and take a quick call on this. It's an age - old saying that hard cases make bad law. Making decisions on sensitive areas without having a careful consideration of the policies and principles behind it is dangerous. That is why it's so important that we are doing this work and I am delighted to be part of the Justice Committee who will oversee it. It is important that we do this on the basis of the extremely thorough Law Commission report that we have already heard referred to. To be looking forward to undertaking this balancing act and this investigation with the likes of Vanushi Walters who can stand up and talk about public interest immunity just talks to the scrutiny that we will have. I am delighted to commend this bill to the House.ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Jacqui Dean): I call Simon O'Connor—a five-minute call.
Walters VanushiVANUSHI WALTERS (Labour—Upper Harbour): Merry Christmas Madam Speaker. As Minister Wood said earlier in speaking to this bill it responds to Part 2 of a Law Commission report in 2015 and it's a bill that requires us to balance obligations of a fair legal process with protecting our national security.The doctrine of public interest immunity isn't a new one. It's existed for a long time at common law and it can be part of a well-functioning democracy. At the genesis of the doctrine no doubt many years ago the predominant view was that the assertion of public interest immunity was conclusive. However the modern view is that courts should retain some role in assessing whether the assertion is correctly made. So there are a number of considerations in terms of the appropriateness of court processes and their scope but also as colleagues have mentioned human rights concerns as well. I look forward as a Justice Committee member to examining these considerations and I commend this bill to the House.
Andersen GinnyGINNY ANDERSEN (Labour—Hutt South): The Security Information in Proceedings Legislation Bill implements the majority of the Law Commission's recommendations from back in 2015. It particularly took a look at how national security information is treated both in the courts and also in administrative decision-making. The question at the heart of the Law Commission's inquiry was what should happen when information is relevant to legal proceedings but also by disclosing that it might prejudice our national security? The Law Commission found there are a number of inconsistences in the law. First of all it found that the current law does not provide enough assurance that national security information can adequately be protected in the way it needs to be in order to be used in court. Secondly the current law can also disadvantage affected people who may not know the reason for a decision against them. The Law Commission's recommendations are implemented in this bill and this bill achieves their objectives. It's a good bill and I commend it to the House.
Ngobi TerisaTERISA NGOBI (Labour—Ōtaki): Mālō e lelei Madam Speaker. It's a privilege to speak on the Oranga Tamariki Amendment Bill not only as a member of the Ōtaki electorate but also as a member of the Social Services and Community Committee and also having worked for Oranga Tamariki and worked in the social services for decades now.This bill is more than transformational change and it is showing progress that this Government is doing. We don't just sit on our hands around here; we do proper change. We love our tamariki we love the people of Aotearoa and that's why this bill is essential to make sure that we keep our babies safe while providing tools for their whānau to be able to support a loving environment and be able to make sure that they can keep their whānau together.So thanks to the Minister Davis and his officials and also to Matthew Tukaki and the board which has been able to see the change that was definitely needed and be brave enough to make sure that we start to trek towards that.Part of this bill is to repeal the subsequent child provision which has not improved the safety of our children. In fact it's done the opposite. These provisions have been barriers to our social workers working meaningfully with our whānau.So again for me and with my experience and working and being connected to my community this bill's going to make massive change. Thanks to this Government once again and merry Christmas to everyone out there including our children in care.
Henderson EmilyDr EMILY HENDERSON (Labour—Whangārei): Kia ora e te Māngai o te Whare.I have never forgotten being told by a very experienced family therapist that even the most badly abused children do not want to lose their parents. What they want is those parents to have their behaviour changed so they are safe to go home to. This is what that is about. I remember a case when I was a young lawyer—which I am not any more and I am no expert in the field—but I remember this case where it took us 11 years—11 years—to reunite a māmā and her pēpi who had been taken away not because of the mother's behaviour but because of her partner's abuse. She could not escape him. Even when she did it took us that many years and three more children each one was a struggle to help her retain them. This bill will keep those whānau give them the chance and give our children the chance to grow up in safe families with the support that their mothers and fathers need to become the safe parents those children want. I commend it to the House.
Kanongata'a AnahilaANAHILA KANONGATA'A-SUISUIKI (Labour): Madam Speaker it's an honour to speak on the Oranga Tamariki Amendment Bill. What this bill does is that the State believes that mokopuna has the right for their parents to be given the opportunity to change once they have gone through a traumatic experience of being removed from home in terms of subsequent children. That's what this bill does. It actually provides opportunity for mokopuna to return home to their parents and for parents the ability to change and that's what some of this bill does. I want to take this opportunity to wish all the children in care a merry Christmas and to pray that social workers find the opportunity for them to see their parents or whānau over this Christmas. I want to acknowledge the caregivers. Thank you so much for what you do for our children in care throughout the 365 days of the year and especially the caregivers at Dingwall Trust. Thank you so much for what you do for our children and for looking after my pet chicken the French cottage thank you. Merry Christmas.
Bennett GlenGLEN BENNETT (Labour—New Plymouth): Kia ora Madam Speaker and meri Kirihimete. Thank you for this opportunity to speak on the Oranga Tamariki Amendment Bill. I stand here in the House this morning not as a social worker not as a lawyer or a lawyer for a child. I stand here as a mere layperson as a caregiver who has been part of the Oranga Tamariki system for the past 20 years. I'm proud for us to be standing here this morning supporting the Hon Kelvin Davis and his work to rebuild the trust to rebuild the organisation that is Oranga Tamariki to ensure that communities and whānau trust this system and to build a system where our young people our tamariki thrive.I want to acknowledge Karen Chhour and her contribution. We need to get this right for our tamariki and for that I commend this bill to the House.
Warren-Clark AngieANGIE WARREN-CLARK (Labour): Thanks Madam Speaker. As the chair of the select committee that will receive this bill I'm very delighted to be here speaking on it. I have to say I remember in 2016 when the onus of evidence the burden of proof fell from Oranga Tamariki—or Child Youth and Family (CYF) as it was at the time—to the parent. I remember sitting in a meeting with my Women's Refuge colleague and we talked about the hope that these families have when a child has been permanently removed the hope for the next child. Now I do not come to this House lightly and say that the world is a wonderful place. I know that our children need to be cared for; I know that it is important to do that but this piece of legislation needs to be somewhat removed. We will still keep some standards in place. For those who have murdered there is manslaughter or infanticide there will still be an onus and a burden to do so but certainly for us here on this side of the House we believe that there is the opportunity to change there is the opportunity to care for children and to make a difference. This bill supports those children to stay with family to stay with safe family and for Oranga Tamariki to prove should the child need to be removed. That is where the evidence should sit that is where the burden should sit. Families should have the opportunity to raise their children. I commend this bill to the House.
O'Connor SimonSIMON O'CONNOR (National—Tāmaki): Thanks Madam Speaker. National—[Adjusts microphone] There we go—just because I'm sure everyone wants to hear this speech! Look National does oppose this bill. You heard from my colleague Harete Hipango some of the nuances involved so we will look forward to the select committee process.Look the fundamental point—and actually the Labour speakers in the previous bill were talking about putting the child at the centre and I suppose that's the fundamental reason at this point that we oppose it because we do not believe the child's been put in the centre through this amendment bill. Removing the subsequent child is traumatic; in fact removing any child from parents is a traumatic event. But put really really simply we remove subsequent children because there's been an immediate real and substantial threat to a previous child and the onus of proof ultimately has to fall on those parents to show that they have properly and really changed and we just feel that this is not quite balanced.As I say we'll look forward to engaging it in the select committee but I think the fundamental point has to be that it is about the child. And I've stood in this House before and other bills related to Child Youth and Family or now Oranga Tamariki—and actually it's not about the community and it's not about the family; in fact so much legislation now becomes so much about that that the child becomes secondary. And that can't be the case; the child must be centred—of course in a community in a family—but we just feel that this is out of balance.But I do want to acknowledge actually the staff those who are in Oranga Tamariki—it's an exceptionally difficult job; it's one that I can only conceptualise academically. This is not a direct experience of mine but I thank them for the work they do and acknowledging as well the politicisation of topics like this is unhelpful at times as they get pushed around and accused of poor behaviour. But we understand that by and large they're putting the child first and are doing all that they can.So we oppose this bill but at the same time we look forward to engaging further in the select committee if this bill passes—we'll see what happens.
Roberts AngelaANGELA ROBERTS (Labour): It is with pleasure that I stand and take a call as the last speaker on this first reading. To bring a bit of Christmas cheer—there seems to be a lot of bah humbugging happening across the other side of the House—this bill is something that shows that this Government is ambitious and optimistic for our education system. This is about improvement and taking up opportunities to make sure that we continue to lead the world with our education system.One of the aspects that we will be looking at is the next steps in building the structures that are coherent and relevant with Te Pūkenga. It is not about centralisation actually; it is about ensuring that industry through Workforce Development Councils help us to build a qualifications and credentials framework and national curricula that make sure that Te Pūkenga becomes the world-leading tertiary provider that it has the potential to be.I am very proud to be taking this to select committee and collaborating with educators students and industry to make sure that this bill is as good as it can be. I commend this bill to the House.
Halbert ShananSHANAN HALBERT (Labour—Northcote): Tēnā koe Madam Speaker. 'Twas the night before Christmas and 'tis rich that the Opposition calls us out for a lack of respectful engagement with the sector. Can I remind the member about the engagement on national standards and the whakapapa and stories that sit with that particular piece of work that this Government had to tidy up?This amendment bill is an important one and coming from experience in my career in the tertiary sector before becoming an MP you tend to appreciate the technical detail of this particular bill. I draw on a couple of points particularly two that stand out for me; one is the alignment of the Police vetting provisions in this particular bill. We know the importance of this well. But the importance of it extending into areas such as student accommodation is very very important to ensure that the people that have the pastoral care and look after our kids and young people—ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Jacqui Dean): Order! Can you just come back to the bill.SHANAN HALBERT: Apologies Madam Speaker. I'm speaking to the Police vetting provisions in the bill—ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Jacqui Dean): Oh apologies.SHANAN HALBERT: —that relate to student accommodation and the Police vetting Act under this bill I understand applies across to student accommodation. That's my first point.Just secondly in there is the importance of us having another look and adjusting legislation to support students and young people to have a voice in the disputes process within tertiary institutions and particularly for international students that come through that particular area as well.It is a technical bill and as an experienced tertiary practitioner alongside Jo Luxton as an experienced early education practitioner we commend this bill to the House.
Omer IbrahimIBRAHIM OMER (Labour): Thank you Madam Speaker. As I rise to take a call on the Education and Training Amendment Bill (No 2)—what cynicism. It's supposed to be our last day we're all supposed to be cheering up with a positive mind-set but here we go.The bill amends the Education and Training Act 2020. The bill does have quite a few amendments but it's also the next step in the programmes of continuous improvement for the education sector. It contains both new policies and minor technical changes.This bill also further improves the quality of service by introducing new requirements which will eventually lead to the change that will protect children and create a more learner- and family-centred early learning network.The Supplementary Order Paper (SOP)—my good friend Jo Luxton who is also an expert in the early childhood education sector who was also an ethical living wage employer. Talking about it I'm not going to say much but the SOP amends the network management provisions for licensed early childhood services. I think with that I'm going to rest my case about this because Jo Luxton is the best person to speak about this. She comes from the sector she was a living wage employer and she is the best person to basically make this point and I will take that.This is a good bill and I look forward to engaging with submitters during the select committee process. I commend it to the House.
Luxton JoJO LUXTON (Labour—Rangitata): Thank you Madam Speaker. It's an absolute pleasure to rise and take a call on this piece of legislation. I just want to spend my time focusing on the Supplementary Order Paper that we have before us. As someone who has gone through the process of opening up and starting an early childhood centre in a small rural town I found that process extremely easy and smooth to do and I don't see that this piece of legislation will change that in any way shape or form. If I still owned that centre I would welcome this piece of legislation because I had an early childhood centre in a small rural town—or area—and if someone a big competitor such as these corporate centres wanted to come in and open up shop that would completely put me out of business. As a small-business owner I see that this piece of legislation will better protect these small-business niche early childhood centres that the Opposition seems so passionate to talk about.What I have found quite interesting in the first two contributions from the Opposition is that they barely mention children and children are at the heart of this matter. Children who attend early childhood centres deserve quality education in quality settings. The other thing they haven't mentioned is that it's taxpayers' money that fund these early childhood centres predominately. So therefore if I apply to open up an early childhood centre and for some reason during that process I either go bankrupt or I suddenly have some serious criminal conviction it should be entirely within the Minister's ability to cancel my application and not allow me to open up an early childhood centre because it is a way of protecting our children and protecting taxpayers' money. I absolutely commend this bill to the House.
Belich CamillaCAMILLA BELICH (Labour): Thank you Madam Speaker. It's a pleasure to speak on the Education and Training Amendment Bill (No 2). I spoke on the Education and Training Amendment Bill (No 1) last week and this bill is different but it does have some similarities. Both bills follow from the substantive change that was made last term the Education and Training Bill 2020. I said in relation to that bill that it was a pragmatic bill and it is good lawmaking to make sure any inevitable issues that come from a substantive legislative change like the one that was introduced last term are addressed quickly and efficiently.So this bill brings forward minor technical amendments and it also makes the substantive policy change which was mentioned by the member opposite Erica Stanford. She's correct that the most substantive change is the Supplementary Order Paper (SOP) that introduces the network management provision for licensed early childhood services. This was actually provided for under the primary Act; so it's not correct to say that this was not foreshadowed at all in the primary legislation although this SOP does detail what will happen.And I disagree with the member in terms of what this SOP will achieve. The changes will lead to a more sustainable unified higher-quality and diverse early childhood education sector that meets the needs of early childhood teachers and students in New Zealand. So I commend this bill to the House.
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Sexual Violence Legislation Bill — In Committee—Part 3
VoteCHAIRPERSON (Adrian Rurawhe): The question is that the Hon Kris Faafoi's amendments to Part 3 set out on Supplementary Order Paper 105 be agreed to. Amendments agreed to. CHAIRPERSON (Adrian Rurawhe): The question is that Chris Penk's amendments to Part 3 set out on Supplementary Order Paper 5 be agreed to. A party vote was called for on the question That the amendments be agreed to.Ayes 33New Zealand National 33.Noes 85New Zealand Labour 65; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 10; ACT New Zealand 10.Amendments not agreed to. CHAIRPERSON (Adrian Rurawhe): The question is that Part 3 as amended be agreed to. Part 3 as amended agreed to. CHAIRPERSON (Adrian Rurawhe): The question is that the Minister's amendments to the Schedule set out on Supplementary Order Paper 105 be agreed to. Amendments agreed to. CHAIRPERSON (Adrian Rurawhe): The question is that the Schedule as amended stand part. Schedule as amended agreed to.
VoteCHAIRPERSON (Adrian Rurawhe): The question is that the Minister's amendments to Supplementary Order Paper 105 as set out on Supplementary Order Paper 116 be agreed to.Amendments to the amendments agreed to.CHAIRPERSON (Adrian Rurawhe): The question is that the Minister's amendments to Part 2 as set out on Supplementary Order Paper 105 as amended be agreed to.Amendments as amended agreed to.CHAIRPERSON (Adrian Rurawhe): The question is that Chris Penk's amendment to Part 2 set out on Supplementary Order Paper 5 be agreed to.Amendment not agreed to.CHAIRPERSON (Adrian Rurawhe): The question is that Part 2 as amended stand part.Part 2 as amended agreed to.
Sexual Violence Legislation Bill — In Committee—Part 2
Resource Management (Enabling Housing Supply and Other Matters) Amendment Bill — In Committee—Part 2
VoteA party vote was called for on the question That the question be now put.Ayes 108New Zealand Labour 65; New Zealand National 33; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 10.Noes 10ACT New Zealand 10.Motion agreed to.CHAIRPERSON (Adrian Rurawhe): The question is that the Minister's amendments to Part 2 set out on Supplementary Order Paper 106 be agreed to.A party vote was called for on the question That the amendments be agreed to.Ayes 108New Zealand Labour 65; New Zealand National 33; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 10.Noes 10ACT New Zealand 10.Amendments agreed to.A party vote was called for on the question That Part 2 as amended be agreed to.Ayes 108New Zealand Labour 65; New Zealand National 33; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 10.Noes 10ACT New Zealand 10.Part 2 as amended agreed to.CHAIRPERSON (Adrian Rurawhe): The question is that the Hon Eugenie Sage's amendments to Supplementary Order Paper 106 set out on Supplementary Order Paper 114 be agreed to.A party vote was called for on the question That the amendments to the amendments be agreed to.Ayes 10Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 10.Noes 108New Zealand Labour 65; New Zealand National 33; ACT New Zealand 10.Amendments to the amendments not agreed to.CHAIRPERSON (Adrian Rurawhe): The question is that the Minister's amendments to Schedule 1 set out on Supplementary Order Paper 106 be agreed to.A party vote was called for on the question That the amendments be agreed to.Ayes 108New Zealand Labour 65; New Zealand National 33; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 10.Noes 10ACT New Zealand 10.Amendments agreed to.