Menéndez March Ricardo; Sepuloni CarmelRICARDO MENÉNDEZ MARCH (Green): Thank you Mr Chair. And I want to acknowledge how difficult the period that we're examining has been for many communities who have been affected by the pandemic.Picking up on the members to my right's line of questioning on jobs I'd be keen to less than explore the number of people on a benefit—I'd be keen to understand the information the Minister has had on whether people exiting the benefit and going to employment what kind of wages they're in—is that information collected?—and whether people in the Mana in Mahi scheme are guaranteed a living wage. Particularly interested in the sort of types of working conditions that are guaranteed through those employment schemes.I'd also be keen to unpack a bit some of the stuff we discussed around benefit sanctions. I know we went through that during the annual review hearings but one of the things I was really concerned about was to hear that—and some of these benefits sanctions that were applied by the previous Government and have been vocally opposed by this Government since they were implemented shocked to find that there was no proactive checking on those families with children that were being sanctioned.I was interested in knowing whether the Minister had evidence on whether their warrant to arrest sanction is working. Because I know when I've asked this question she's pointed me out to the Welfare Expert Advisory Group (WEAG) report evidence review paper but the warrant to arrest sanction is not mentioned once in that paper. So does the Minister hold any evidence that the sanction is working because the previous Government didn't have evidence on Section 70A of the Social Security Act 1964 on sanctions for sole mothers. So I'm concerned that we are continuing down a path of putting a sanction on families where there is no evidence that it works.Hon CARMEL SEPULONI (Minister for Social Development and Employment): With respect to the first issue that was raised and the outcomes for families or people who leave benefit the last report that we received was about a year ago. We are monitoring that. The next one is due in the next couple of months and that will be made available. So the member will be able to see. I think this particular period over the course of last year given everything that we've been faced with will be of interest to many in the Chamber.I did see recent information that gave me hope with regards to off-benefit outcomes and that we were seeing a reasonably significant number of people actually stay in employment after the six month period. Those are the types of shifts that we want to see. But keeping in mind I think it's important for us to acknowledge in the Chamber that a number of people on benefit do take up casual work are often filling spaces with regards to temporary work including the seasonal work opportunities that are available. So there are a number of people that will naturally due to the nature of the work end up back on benefit.I know that the member has a particular interest in the warrant to arrest sanction and all of the other sanctions. To date there are only two of the sanctions that we have managed to get rid of. They were a really important starting point for me because I think out of all of the sanctions that exist they had the most detrimental impact on children and that was the subsequent child policy and also the fact that we repealed Section 192 of the Social Security Act 2018.With regards to the warrant to arrest sanction the member knows my views on that particular sanction and I've being very clear on that in the House. You know it is something that we will look at moving forward. I'm not in a position to say that we've done the work on that to date or that there are any changes in the near future. However certainly it's something that we would like to look at as part of our overhaul. We did commit to looking at ineffective or excessive sanctions. So the question raised by the member about whether or not it is effective is a valid one. But it's just not one that I can answer right here right now.