Kuriger BarbaraBARBARA KURIGER (National—Taranaki - King Country): Thank you Mr Speaker. I want it to be known that I was one of the people who was at the Primary Production Committee who went through this process. It was actually in the last Parliament and back in the day I was chairing that committee and the Hon Kiritapu Allan was the deputy chair before she was the Hon Kiritapu Allan. And so we worked with that committee on this piece of legislation so it's been a long time coming to the House. And I will commend the Hon James Shaw for his persistence in getting up every Thursday afternoon and asking just before question time when this bill is coming back to the House.There has been a huge amount of work that has gone on and it has taken a long time. And one thing I was going to note today is that in our family two farms have been converted to organic which is a three-year process and that was completed three years ago. So the actual process of converting a dairy farm to organic has been far quicker than my eight years in Parliament when the organic people have been asking for us to have a standard from which they can live by.This is actually standards and regulations that the industry has asked for—not many industries are asking for standards and regulations—because what I can tell you is: right now currently those people that are exporting can have anything up to seven audits. So you might get a US audit an EU audit a Korean audit a Canadian audit—I can't remember exactly in terms of all of the places that New Zealanders are exporting to. But actually it would be much easier to have a baseline New Zealand standard and then from there just put any extra additions that might be needed that don't quite fit with the country where the product is being sent to. I must note that fresh fruit and vegetables are the largest and then it goes to dairy meat and wool.Anna Lorck: Chickens.BARBARA KURIGER: Then you get to processed food—yes definitely chickens I'm very familiar with the chickens that come from the Hawke's Bay.So look there are quite a range of products—and they're not just food products; there are actually quite a lot of fibre products that are going into organic as well. And the biggest discussion that we've had when we were at the select committee was that there's a big difference between those people that have built a reasonably sizable business and are able to export to the world complying with the world standards; and the smaller organic producers who are the people who grow broccoli potatoes—small amounts of food and take them to the farmers markets. And there was quite a bit of contention at the time as to how much regulation was needed for the scale. Then you look at these people who have a very small business and are making a few dollars at farmers market and thinking about the level of complexity and compliance that would need to fall on those people—that's where a huge amount of discussion has gone on.Now I'm yet to read in detail the Supplementary Order Paper that has been put out for the committee of the whole House stage but what I do know—I have been speaking to people from Organics Aotearoa New Zealand this afternoon—is the amount of work that's gone on to try and actually iron out some of that regulatory process around how much the Ministry of Primary Industries would do compared to how much some of these smaller producers may be able to regulate themselves. And I'm not totally up to speed right now on exactly where that's ended up but we will be by the time we get to the committee of the whole House stage.So I just really see a huge possibility with organics and it is a growing market.Rachel Brooking: Get it?BARBARA KURIGER: And it is—yeah—something that I think if we look—we often look at Fit for a Better World and we think How do we add more value; how do we actually portray ourselves as New Zealanders?" And you know I can see there's going to be some huge benefit going forward but there's a few constraints here just at the moment as to how we measure manage and portray it to the world. I really hope that with just a short time left to speak this afternoon it doesn't take too long for the committee of the whole House stage and the third reading of this bill to go through so we can get on and earn the value. Thank you."