McKelvie IanIAN McKELVIE (National—Rangitīkei): I want to start by congratulating Alastair Scott on being lucky enough to draw a bill from the ballot. I have had a go at it—cannot draw one. A number of other members of the House have had a number of goes but cannot draw them but he has drawn this one and I think it is a very interesting bill. When you think about the history of parliaments around the world explosives have played a large part in the dealings of parliaments. In fact one of my very own constituents turned up here a year ago and tried to burn the place down. It is dangerous stuff. So I congratulate Mr Scott on drawing this bill from the ballot and I concur with the last speaker Aupito William Sio that it has taken a lot of trees a lot of paper to get it to the House and to have some impact.I want to pick up a couple of issues that have been raised by other speakers particularly David Clendon. I want to take issue with his records for a start because I do not think his records are entirely correct. But I also want to take issue with the research he had done that told him that increasing the penalties for a crime that is committed only once every 2 or 3 years really is not worthwhile. I think from a police perspective a more serious penalty may well give the police more encouragement to prosecute for example. I have a bill in the ballot myself on livestock rustling and I am pretty sure that with more serious fines we would see much more reporting and much more serious note taken of those crimes and perhaps we would get more prosecutions and as a consequence of that less crime.I would also like to take issue with Mr Mark for a moment because he spent a lot of time talking about the great effort or the length of time that Alastair Scott had put into designing this bill. I am quite sure it did not taken quite as long as Mr Mark thought as he is an intelligent man. I then want to take issue with Mr Mark's I guess veering into areas that were clearly the responsibility of Mr Scott as the MP for Wairarapa. Mr Mark had no business dealing in some of the issues that he started to talk about during the course of that epistle that he gave us.When I was young explosives were a great game and we used to blow all sorts of things up right from the test tubes in the laboratory at school to trees of all sorts and explosives in those days were much more freely available than they are now. The other issue I want to raise in respect of these issues—and it is a common issue for a lot of the electorate MPs in this area and I am sure for the member for Hutt South—is the issue of fireworks and the terror I guess that they create for animals. I think it is not so bad having 1 or 2 days a year when we can blow things up but I think to have it broadly across the sphere is not so good.So I think this bill is worth bringing to the House. It is part of the National Party's and the National Government's policy to strengthen law. And as I said in the debate last night on another law and order bill every little piece of titivating we do to legislation related to law and order is a great assistance to the police and to the law and order and enforcement authorities. You just never know when the critical initiative around legislation is going to make a great deal of difference to the way we treat things and the way we look at the harm done and the damage done by in this instance explosives; last night it was done by sexual offenders. And we are constantly dealing with these law and order issues in this House.So I think Mr Scott has done a pretty good job bringing this extensive bill to the House and it will as I said earlier complement the Government's efforts to just tighten up the law and order area a little bit. I did wonder when I first saw this bill whether this was meant to penalise the person who blew the thing up or just the person who gave the explosive to the person to blow the thing up. I find it is really just to penalise more seriously the person who gives the explosives to the criminal who then blows the thing up which I think is quite interesting. Hopefully that person who does use the explosive will get seriously penalised for the crime.So I will wind up my short contribution to this very interesting piece of legislation by saying that we will look forward to it—I assume it will come to the Law and Order Committee under the very confident chairmanship of my colleague in the next seat Kanwaljit Singh Bakshi—and we will look forward to the debate that we will have during the course of it. I congratulate again Mr Scott and look forward to hearing his summing up. Thank you.