Court SimonSIMON COURT (ACT): Thank you Minister and thank you for acknowledging the good work of ACT MP Nicole McKee who has heard many of the submissions in person and who brought her thoughtful approach back to the ACT caucus. That enabled us to take a unified and principled stand on this bill. But Minister you actually have raised further concerns. You have identified the Human Rights Commission which some people call the Human Wrongs Commission" because of their hard-core left-wing manifesto an organisation which has donated to the Mongrel Mob and which despite repeated calls to investigate Pharmac and DHBs for failing to supply much-needed care to people in dire need. The Human Rights Commission doesn't sound like the kind of organisation that New Zealand families and religious organisations would be confident to put their trust in.That is why the ACT Party firmly believes that our proposed amendment that conversations between a child and their parent or legal guardian should be explicitly provided for in the primary legislation and not left up to a hand-picked group of appointees at the "Human Right all the Wrongs or Wrong all the Rights Commission".Chlöe Swarbrick: Are we abolishing the UN next?SIMON COURT: Actually the Green Party member Chlöe Swarbrick makes a good point that the Human Rights Commission should be abolished. I think she agrees with ACT leader David Seymour on that but that's a matter for another night.If we're going to put our trust and faith in people at least if the clause that the ACT Party is seeking to amend that protects the conversations between parents and children—that should be in primary legislation and then if there is a decision on which it would be a very difficult decision for the Attorney-General to actually advance prosecution that would be up to a judge to determine whether a crime or an offence had been committed not some hand-picked academics with agendas who should really if we're honest be putting their hands up for selection as Labour Party candidates in the future. It's not for those people to decide whether a conversation between a parent and a child or between a caregiver and a child should be subject to criminal action. This must be in the primary legislation.If we're thinking about the review so often legislation is passed by Parliament where there is a no-review clause. The costs and benefits we're always promised by a Minister will always be on the benefit side. All of the terrible things that people might say will come to pass—they will never happen. The officials who might point them out to the Minister or the stakeholders or the people affected by laws are told "That'll never happen. Don't worry. This Minister he's a soothsayer. He can see the future and that will never ever happen."So that's why ACT believes that this legislation because it's new and groundbreaking it steps into the relationship between parents and children in a way that I'm not aware of in any other legislation. We must have a review of operation of the Act after a five-year period to see whether the genuine concerns raised by stakeholders parents caregivers and legal guardians or religious organisations counsellors and GPs actually have manifested into poor outcomes and whether therefore the legislation should be amended by this House in the future. We think that the Minister should put his trust in the people of New Zealand to give that feedback and to try and live with this law but it should come back to the House in five years' time with a recommendation for any reviews and changes Minister.CHLÖE SWARBRICK (Green—Auckland Central): Point of order Madam Speaker. I apologise. I'm just seeking your guidance particularly with regard to the recording of events in the House as true and accurate. My point to Simon Court the honourable member who has just seated is that the Greens do proudly in fact support human rights. My point was a flippant heckle perhaps captured in the masks that we're all of course required to wear that if they were seeking to abolish the Human Rights Commission perhaps the United Nations could be next on their list."