Ngarewa-Packer DebbieDEBBIE NGAREWA-PACKER (Co-Leader—Te Pāti Māori): Tēnā koe. Thank you e te Pīka. So I rise for the second reading and continue our approach on disagreeing and standing in opposition to what's been proposed. I do want to make reference to the Minister and reflections on—often we're here and we agree on the same goals just not the same way to get there. And we all agree that a healthy smoke-free country is something that we all aspire to. So on reflection I have absolutely no doubt of the new Ministers and some of their intentions to assume their role and make their mark and obviously make their mark in the hundred-day time line that they've got as well. But—I guess the but" has to be—on the basis that in this particular case and the ones before actually there is not the support of the experts—there is not the support of the experts—of those communities most affected. And I cannot say that enough. I think it's really important that we as politicians remember that as much as we can do—all that we do in this House—it's the experts out on the ground that have to live with this and live with the decisions that this place makes.The second thing with my "but" is it's really reconciling the Minister's absolute intent to make a difference—is that the decision coming out of this Government is aligned with the amending and the intention of the tax cuts. So it's really hard—and actually there's a third "but".The third "but" is that this is done through urgency. So those experts and those that know a heck of a lot better than you and I in this House—I beg your pardon e te Speaker—are not given the opportunity to share what it is that in their expertise they know we're going to have to contend with as a country beyond the three years of Governments—the three-year terms six; whatever. So it's really hard not to remain cynical about this Government's intent.I understand the appeal for us to be quiet and to be calm. And yet there were 47000 signatures on the petition that we received that asked us to be extremely loud and extremely vocal and make sure the views of those who had opposing views were heard and seen. And this continuously is the theme because we are a Government and have a Government that did not get supported by 83 percent of Māori. So we have to make sure that the Government feels and hears and sees them. It doesn't matter that you may have relationships. It doesn't matter that you may have had a side conversation. The reality is that the stats are the stats; the facts are the facts. And while you have a mandate you do not have a Māori mandate. So it's really important—our place in here is to make sure that the opposing views to your views are heard. You cannot debate with 47000 signatures. If we are going to use these positions of influence to ignore that then what else are we going to ignore going down the track? So we are here by right to make sure that we speak for those that haven't voted for you that we speak for those communities you don't reach into and that we make sure that they are seen and heard. So they urged—they urged—that we don't support this bill and that we stay focused on the Smokefree 2025 vision that's been in place since 2006.Today I heard a member on my left saying Māori should take personal responsibility—damn right. Damn right we should. Every time we try to—it's called "tino rangatiratanga"—you take it away. Every time. Every time we go to self-determine—through the Speaker—you take it away. You take our ability to look after ourselves you take our ability to speak to ourselves you take our ability to be well.DEPUTY SPEAKER: Could the member please refrain from using the word "you". Thank you.DEBBIE NGAREWA-PACKER: The Government—the Government. Thank you. The Government—particularly this Government. So this assertion that there is no such thing as "personal responsibility" is actually simply an ignorant point of view of how we work as Māori. That's my whakaaro.So I think it's really rich—it's really rich—that we continue to see a Government that promotes and says "Māori get up off your backside and go and look after yourselves."—that's my summary of what "personal responsibility" is. But every time we go to do it we have a Government to my left who has absolutely no reach in that community saying that you should repeal that they will disestablish and they will counsel every move we make. I hope that those petitions and those signatures get seen and heard in this place. Kia ora rā."