White HelenHELEN WHITE (Labour—Mt Albert): Thank you Madam Chair. I would like to ask the Minister some follow-up questions on the statement that she made about the number of outlets that are in an area and the proposal to scrap Subpart 1 of Part 1B in clause 9.I have an amendment which relates to this on the Table where I am suggesting that that doesn't happen because my understanding is that those outlets that are there and the number of them is actually a temptation is causing an issue and that the Minister needs to work on an evidence basis on this. What I've heard from her today is she simply doesn't consider that is an issue because this hasn't happened yet so how would we tell?Now my understanding is that there will be psychological expertise around the nature of this kind of availability. I remember that when we passed a law many years ago now in New Zealand to stop people having the availability of tobacco and smoking in our restaurants and our cafes there was a lot of scepticism and then we saw the effect of that not only in those places but on our culture. We saw a dramatic difference in our culture from here and in somewhere like Paris and quite frankly less people died.I changed my attitude to smoking at that point and I saw a harm I hadn't seen before. So when we have 6000 outlets which are unregulated selling these products they are very likely having an effect on our psychology at the very least—and the psychology of our children who are walking past those outlets all the time because we had normalised that behaviour. So I wanted to know whether the Minister had sought advice or would seek advice over the impact of the number and availability of those outlets and would consider while she waits for that advice not changing the law here because this itself could be an experiment. This could be a chance to see what happens when you reduce the number of outlets.Now one of the things that Part 1B does very effectively—and I've heard the former Minister who brought in this legislation talk about her rationale at a public meeting in my electorate recently—is it regulates who has that product to sell for the first time. Now I am concerned about the availability to children in those places where people are selling. We know very little about how many people and who are selling these things and there is no regulation of who is selling those products so how could we possibly expect that everybody is complying with the requirements of the law in this regard.So this Part 1B is actually all about regulating that industry. It has things like a fine if you apply and you are misleading and deceiving. It's a whole thoughtful mindful process about who is selling as well as a reduction in the numbers of those who are selling. I would like the Minister to tell me how she can be so confident that those people are not breaking the rules and whether she has asked anybody about that because I have an area in my electorate which is Point Chevallier and it has several schools in it. It has issues. There is alcohol there is vaping and people are really concerned. These are genuine concerns of genuine communities. We already have major concerns about vaping and now what we seem to be doing is regulating vaping a little bit more with regard to those things—maybe too tentatively—but we are not regulating cigarettes in the same way. So I'm also concerned Minister whether you have considered or had any advice about what the effect might be on strengthening your regulation around vaping while actually liberalising the access to selling and the access to cigarettes in your community because that it seems is what we're doing.