Young JonathanJONATHAN YOUNG (National—New Plymouth): Thank you for the comments of Stuart Nash the previous member who spoke. Can I just commend Jami-Lee Ross who has brought this bill to the House. I think it is a well-thought-through bill and I think there has obviously been consultation with councils which face this problem for citizens and also consultation with the New Zealand Police to try to find a way through that is going to enhance public safety and also ensure that we have safety on our roads.Like Stuart Nash who spoke just previously we can all remember when this new work phenomena happened. In some regards you tip your hat at people who have got some initiative and some incentive and who get out there and work but it has got to be done in appropriate sorts of ways and I do think that there is some discretion enabled through this proposed piece of legislation that could work. I remember when I lived in west Auckland by the corner of Lincoln Road and Central Park Drive—Hon Alfred Ngaro: Yes that's right—I know where it is.JONATHAN YOUNG: —Alfred Ngaro knows that bit of territory; it is his home base—and the first window washer I ever saw was a man who was like a street busker or like a street juggler. He was hugely entertaining and people felt when they flipped him a coin for washing the window that they were getting great value for money.But what we hear today is that now this has become such a common thing and people who see this as far less like being a street busker—a profession—can turn up in great numbers and it can be quite intimidatory. In fact I have read some accounts where one woman in Whangarei who did not want to have her window washed had a squeegee bottle thrown at her and then somebody came running across the road and threw another bottle and dented her car. That sort of behaviour is completely unlawful. It is not what we want to see on New Zealand streets in our towns or on our roads let alone the hazard that that can create not just for a vehicle for a driver but for general driving through our streets.So I think what Jami-Lee Ross has also identified is that councils want to address this problem because there is an increasing concern about public safety and the safe movement of vehicles around intersections and in order for them to create a by-law to say that you cannot do it they can enforce that by-law only by taking a person to court and there is a huge expense in that. If somebody fronts up is taken to court and says Yes I'm guilty. I did it." the average cost is at least $600. But if they do not turn up to that court hearing and then there becomes a necessity for proof of identity and a rehearing that cost can triple and what you have in terms of a legislative deterrent to stop this behaviour becomes an incredible expense. So putting this misdemeanour or this breaking of a by-law into an infringement notice enables police in their discretion and in their judgment to be able in a sense to bring through an instant fine.There will be times no doubt when as Stuart Nash said there will be warnings. We know that the police have diversionary schemes to stop the accumulation of fine debt by trying to bring in compliant behaviour through working with particularly young people and I think the results speak for themselves. We have seen some great results in that sort of approach. But as Jami-Lee Ross the sponsor of this bill has said it is an excellent tool in the tool kit for New Zealand Police and also for councils.I think it is a very good piece of drafted legislation and I am glad to hear that Labour will support this bill. It has good elements of common sense that work for every part of the community. I commend this bill to the House and I congratulate the member."