Seymour DavidDAVID SEYMOUR (Leader—ACT): Well thank you Mr Assistant Speaker. I rise on behalf of the ACT Party in opposition to this bill. One of the things that's interesting about the three governing parties in this Parliament including the member who just resumed her seat Clare Curran is the profound lack of scientific training amongst the 63 members of those governing parties. I think there's one medical doctor and one guy who used to teach biology at high school. Other than that not one of them has studied science past high school and you see the product of that in legislation that is entirely political and will have no practical effects on reducing emissions or achieving environmental goals but might actually be a little bit negative.So let me talk to the governing parties in some language they understand because if they don't get science and they don't get cause and effect and if they don't get practical solutions to real problems then maybe they'll get the politics of it. Maybe they should be asking themselves: How will we explain to those kids that were at Victoria University that day? How will we explain to the likes of the people who work at Fitzroy Engineering Group or any of the other businesses in Taranaki? How will we explain that when we banned oil and gas exploration back in 2017 we set ourselves on a path to having fewer sources of energy that required us to use more coal or to import more oil and gas overseas because we banned people from looking for it?"Here's is one of these conundra that the Government is facing: either it's true as David Parker constantly gets up in the House and tells us that the cheapest form of energy is now renewables or it's not because if the cheapest form of energy is renewables there's no need to ban people from looking for oil and gas. On the other hand if they are wrong and we don't have cheap renewables in the future and we ban people looking for gas we're going to burn coal and increase New Zealand's emissions. The people in the Government if they don't get science and they get politics maybe they should ask themselves how they are going to explain that to those kids that were at Victoria University that day. You know Clare Curran said that the National Party's got some stains on it for their climate policy. I predict Labour will have the same problem in time because they have ignored the science.Then what about the economy? They might ask themselves how they going to explain to people that they have taken away billions of dollars of investment and of highly skilled labour people who have been involved in industries that are vastly more technically sophisticated than most of the New Zealand economy—all discouraged all kaput because of the way that this Government has behaved. How are they going to explain to other people in business in New Zealand that it is possible for this Government with no Cabinet papers and with no due process to expropriate your property rights and to take away your plans and make it more expensive to borrow because people see New Zealand as risky? How are they going to explain to our friends around the world including those who want to invest in New Zealand that this is no longer a place where actually your property rights are safe and due process is adhered to by the Government of the day but that actually this is a place where with no warning with no principle with no due process or procedure and with no scientifically demonstrable positive outcome—in fact the opposite from the Government's own advisers—those property rights can be taken away?I can see the guy from the Deep South there thinking "Jeez how am I going to explain it? It's going to be rather difficult." He doesn't agree with this. New Zealand First doesn't agree with this bill; it's just part of the horse trading of being in Government I guess. I can understand that. But he knows that New Zealand First is going to have a hard time explaining this and I wonder how this whole Parliament is going to explain to future generations that with such poor form with such poor process we put in place legislation that made us worse environmental custodians that made us economically poorer and that tarnished New Zealand's reputation in the international community for being a place that upholds high standards. How are we ever going to explain that? I'm glad I'm voting against this bill so I won't have to. Those guys will."