Andersen GinnyHon GINNY ANDERSEN (Labour): Thank you very much Mr Chair. I'd like to specifically ask the Minister about the impact on Māori and on Māori whānau as a result of this legislative change. As reflected in the research and also as laid out in the regulatory impact statement that's been tabled gang members are disproportionately young male Māori and live in more deprived communities in New Zealand. So the overview of that is that about three-quarters of those on the National Gang List are Māori.My interest too is around not just those individuals—of course we agree we want to see them coming out of gangs—but it's those people in and around those gang members those families who will be directly impacted by this legislation. I'm just wondering if the Minister being the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations as well is looking at any Treaty implications or what is the wider impact on hapū and iwi as a result of this?We know that there is an overarching desire to give young people growing up in New Zealand all of the opportunities and incentives to take up pro-social choices and to have a productive and crime-free life. Really by having dispersal notices banning gang patches and having the impact of those there is some quite good research that demonstrates that that just entrenches those whānau within those communities. It removes those relationships with the State that could potentially facilitate the next generation of young people making a pro-social choice to come out of that environment.So given the significant adverse impacts of imprisonment as described in paragraphs I think 74 to 77 in the regulatory impact statement on balance the net impact is quite strongly negative and the downstream effects also are likely to require additional social assistance as a result of disruption to whānau particularly when one parent is on remand or incarcerated. We also see that playing out in some of the statistics we see in care and protection for children when one or more parents have been imprisoned.So I'm interested to know what work is being done by the Government to understand the downstream impacts on hapū and iwi in New Zealand given that they will be disproportionately affected by this change.It notes in the regulatory impact statement that there's likely to be an impact on the cohort of tamariki and rangatahi who have parents and caregivers with gang affiliations who will become incarcerated as a result of that. I appreciate that the Minister has stated that he wants to put all gangs on notice and that he's going to make it incredibly difficult to be in a gang and he's going to make it unpopular to be in a gang. I would just like to know the fact that he's turned his mind to it as young people will also be impacted by these changes and that he's turned his mind if he's concerned that this legislation may just push another generation of young people into situations where they don't have those pro-social choices available to them.So it would also really engage responsibilities to the State under the Oranga Tamariki Act. I would propose to the Minister that the introduction of this legislation alongside of this Government's proposal to remove section 7AA from the Oranga Tamariki Act would make Māori tamariki and rangatahi even more susceptible to mismanagement by the State if they have a primary caregiver who is no longer able to take up that role as a result of incarceration.So I'm really keen to understand the significant adverse impacts of imprisonment on the next generation of young people in New Zealand given the fact that those who this legislation is targeted to is heavily disproportionately weighted in the fact of young Māori and also male and the impacts upon their whānau their iwi and their hapū.