Faafoi KrisHon KRIS FAAFOI (Minister of Broadcasting Communications and Digital Media): It is a privilege to speak to the Excise and Excise-equivalent Duties Table (Budget Measures—Motor Spirits) Amendment Bill—a very catchy phrase indeed but not such a catchy policy from the Opposition. Whenever there is an issue in transport the only thing the National Party ever wanted to do was build a road. If there's congestion build a road; if there's an issue build a road.Hon Ruth Dyson: Build a road.Hon KRIS FAAFOI: That's right—and not fund it. So I have a challenge for the Opposition who are obviously bitterly disappointed with something we've been signalling for some time to make sure that there is some action on some of the fundamental transport issues that face the country—like congestion like safety. This measure will bring in as the Minister said $120 million extra to help address these issues which went unaddressed for nine years and my challenge is: which of the projects that we'll be able to undertake via the collection of this excise—which as the Minister said has been the way we've funded these transport projects—will you go around and campaign on next year and say you're going to get rid of? If you fundamentally disagree with the increase in excise to fund these projects I would like to know—from whoever's going to stand up next—which of the projects which this Government will undertake will you go around the country and say this about: The Government wants to increase safety or invest in more roads or invest in rail but we don't believe that so these are exactly the kinds of things we're going to cut as a result."?I really look forward to this. I think this is a wonderful piece of legislation that deals to some of the major infrastructure issues that transport is facing and will give this Government the ability to address some of them. There are other infrastructure issues that the Government is dealing with in the Budget—1.9 on mental health more capital investment in education—but transport is one place where we think that extra investment is needed. I do note also the concern from the other side of the House about the increase in excise. It's been an issue for some time but something that the previous Government actually did nothing about. It tried to but it didn't quite get there and at least on this side of the House we have given the Commerce Commission the ability to look at some of the underlying issues around the pricing of fuel and we'll get to the bottom of whether or not New Zealanders are getting a fair deal.But regardless of that this piece of legislation will allow the right kind of investment. If we want to deal with congestion then again the National Party will just build a road. We will look at investing more in public transport because getting people out of their cars and into public transport like light rail or buses is actually the way to reduce congestion—newsflash for the National Party. Also if we're talking about safety on our roads getting more heavy-fleet vehicles off the roads and investing in—Brett Hudson: How's a tram going to help the people of Porirua?Hon KRIS FAAFOI: —wait for it—rail is also another way to make New Zealanders feel safer. So again my challenge to whoever is the sad sack who's going to have to stand up and defend their position is: tell us what you're going to cut. Tell us which projects as a result of this will the National Party go around and campaign on next year and say "We are not for this. We didn't want it and we're going to cut it." I'd like to see how that goes down in all the areas they live in. Let's see who's next. Good luck."