Sabin Mike: Social Security (Fraud Measures and Debt Recovery) Amendment Bill — Second ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeSabin Mike: Social Security (Fraud Measures and Debt Recovery) Amendment Bill — Second Reading[Sitting date: 18 March 2014. Volume:697;Page:16790. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]MIKE SABIN (National—Northland):I just want to correct the record. One of the previous speakers Poto Williams said that Melissa Lee the chair of the Social Services Committee had said that there was a test for domestic violence. That is an entirely incorrect statement. The member never said that at all. I am sure my friends from Hansard will make note of that. Make no mistake about it—Hon Trevor Mallard: No no you can’t correct a statement.MIKE SABIN: Well they are recording what I am saying Mr Mallard so I am sure they will.Let us make no mistake about it most of the people who are on a benefit are actually doing what they should be doing and fitting within the rules but let us also accept and not beat around the bush that there are some—and they are the minority but there are some—who abuse the rules and take for granted what the State is doing for them and therefore what the taxpayer is doing for them. There are unfortunately some who believe that they have some God-given right or some ability that others do not have to take something that they are not entitled to and do it in a fraudulent manner.This bill the Social Security (Fraud Measures and Debt Recovery) Amendment Bill is very much about addressing those people because those people out there know exactly who they are. They know exactly who they are. They know when they are doing something that they should not be doing and they know when they are actively defrauding the taxpayer. And what New Zealanders expect is that people like us actually do something about that. To raise the argument that white-collar crime is going on so we should not pick on the poor beneficiaries who are defrauding the taxpayer is an absolute nonsense. It is not an either/or; it is an and/and and that is exactly what the Government expects of us.So the sort of politics being played out by people like Julie Anne Genter over there and her friend from the “New Zealand Something Party” is just absolute rubbish because the reality is that if they took some time to get out into the real world and see what is going on there there are people in this country—Le’aufa’amulia Asenati Lole-Taylor: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I think it is the rule in this House that people should be referring to a party’s name by its correct name. I have just heard the member saying just before the “New Zealand Something Party”. It is not very—Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER: I think it was not levelled at any individual.Hon Judith Collins: They didn’t mind calling my husband by different names.MIKE SABIN: That is right. I will finish off here because much has been said about this. It is actually a good piece of legislation. It sends a message and actually all people need to do if they want to avoid the long arm of the law in this legislation is I do not know follow the rules and not try to rip off the taxpayer.The question was put that the amendments recommended by the Social Services Committee by majority be agreed to.