Lees-Galloway IainHon IAIN LEES-GALLOWAY (Minister for Workplace Relations and Safety): That's the one. Thank you Madam Deputy Speaker. Well that contribution by the member Steven Joyce just like many of the contributions from the Opposition benches this evening was absolutely riddled with what I can only describe as basic stupidity or BS.The first piece of BS that I've heard from the Opposition this evening came from the mouth of none other than the Rt Hon Bill English when he said that this bill which will indeed put more money in the pockets of people who are on the lowest incomes and indeed some people who are on benefits—those people will waste that money on cigarettes and alcohol. What a patronising old Tory Bill English has proven himself to be. He is all about personal freedom and personal choice and he wanted to try and say that this legislation tonight is part of some nanny-State agenda but he's sure pretty keen to tell poor people how they should spend their money. That was the opening statement from Bill English.Then we heard—Hon Gerry Brownlee: Back on the bill.Hon IAIN LEES-GALLOWAY: Gerry Brownlee agrees. Well this is part of the bill because that is the view that your leader Mr Brownlee took on this bill—that it does put money into the pockets of poorer people which is true. That's what it's designed to do and Bill English thinks that's a bad idea because poor people don't know how to spend their money and should be dictated to by the Government.The second piece of BS that I heard from the Opposition benches is that this money is going to—Hon Members: Point of order.Hon IAIN LEES-GALLOWAY: —basic stupidity—Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order! I think we just want a bit of decorum thank you with the language.Hon IAIN LEES-GALLOWAY: The second piece of basic stupidity that I heard from the Opposition benches is that this bill is somehow going to make—Hon Steven Joyce: I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. I sense that the member did not actually listen to your advice. We're now being told about basic stupidity and all sorts of things like that. I know he is cheapening his own argument but it would probably be better if he just sort of improved the tone and actually argued the case. [Interruption]Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER: I don't need any help. I thank the member for that point of order which wasn't really a point of order.Hon IAIN LEES-GALLOWAY: Look there is so much basic stupidity on the other side that I have not got time to list it all. I will simply say this—Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER: I would appreciate it if you would discuss the bill.Hon IAIN LEES-GALLOWAY: If you cut through it you will simply see what this bill does and this bill does a couple of very important things. One is that it lifts 88000 children out of poverty something that the National Party could not achieve in nine years in Government and this coalition Government has legislated for it in less than seven weeks.The second thing it does—Hon Gerry Brownlee: That's not true. The member's a liar.Hon IAIN LEES-GALLOWAY: —is it raises incomes for over 60 percent—Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order! Mr Brownlee you will stand and withdraw.Hon Gerry Brownlee: I withdraw. I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. You'll understand that you'd get a little bit annoyed to hear someone misrepresenting somebody else's—Jan Logie: Point of order.Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER: This is a point of order and you will be silent.Hon Gerry Brownlee: So grossly misrepresenting the bill that's in front of us that of course it's going to incite a degree of response. I do think that calling him back to the bill would be a good idea. What everyone knows is that this bill is a shadow of what was passed by this House last May.Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER: That's very interesting thank you very much but the member's been here a long time and knows that he cannot interrupt a speech to say that someone has misrepresented him.Hon Gerry Brownlee: I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. With all due respect it was the Chair who interrupted the speaker to ask me to withdraw.Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER: Yes thank you and in making your point of order you then claimed you had been misrepresented to atone for your unparliamentary language. Thank you.Hon IAIN LEES-GALLOWAY: Over 60 percent of families are going to be better off under the Labour - New Zealand First - Greens Families Package than they would have been under the National one. That's why people voted for this Government and that's why this bill is going to be put through before Christmas this year.