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Jones Dail: Foreshore and Seabed Bill — First Reading 
Jones Dail: Foreshore and Seabed Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:617;Page:12734] 
DAIL JONES (Junior Whip—NZ First) 
: 
 Speaking to the point of order— 
Mr SPEAKER 
: It is not a point of order. 
DAIL JONES 
: The issue is very simple. The Labour Party just has to give up one of its speaking slots. We have had one Labour Party member speaking in opposition and there is nothing to stop another Labour Party member doing the same— 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Please be seated. If the member persists he will leave. Leave is sought is there any objection? There is objection.
Hobbs Marian: Hazardous Substances and New Organisms (Transitional Provisions and Controls) Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee  
Hobbs Marian: Hazardous Substances and New Organisms (Transitional Provisions and Controls) Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee  
[Volume:616;Page:11753] 
Hon MARIAN HOBBS (Minister for the Environment) 
: 
 I move  
That it be an instruction to the Committee of the whole House on the Hazardous Substances and New Organisms (Transitional Provisions and Controls) Amendment Bill that it take the bill part by part.
Vote: Hazardous Substances and New Organisms (Genetically Modified Organisms Moratorium Reinstatement) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Vote: Hazardous Substances and New Organisms (Genetically Modified Organisms Moratorium Reinstatement) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:624;Page:19299] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Hazardous Substances and New Organisms (Genetically Modified Organisms Moratorium Reinstatement) Amendment Bill be now read a first time. 
Ayes 25 
New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; Progressive 2; Maori Party 1. 
Noes 95 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand National 27; ACT New Zealand 9; United Future 8. 
Motion not agreed to.
Vote: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Procedure Referral to Health Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled  Speaker Recalled In Committee Procedure 
Vote: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Procedure Referral to Health Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled  Speaker Recalled In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:613;Page:9978] 
A party vote  was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 53 
New Zealand National 24; New Zealand First 12; ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Noes 67 
New Zealand Labour 52; New Zealand National 3; New Zealand First 1; Green Party 9; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 117 in the name of the Hon Peter Dunne to new section 13A(3) in clause 6B be agreed to.
Dalziel Lianne: Question No. 12 to Minister 20 February—Amended Answer 
Dalziel Lianne: Question No. 12 to Minister 20 February—Amended Answer 
[Volume:606;Page:3685] 
Hon LIANNE DALZIEL (Associate Minister of Education (Special Education)) 
: 
 Last week in answer to Question No. 12 on Thursday I stated that the number of at-risk students enrolled in the Correspondence School at the end of last year was 100 fewer than in 1999. That was incorrect due to a calculation error. The figure I was given for the 2002 year was 1051 when in fact it was 1592. I apologise to the House for using the incorrect figures.
Vote: Holidays Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Vote: Holidays Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:614;Page:10552] 
A party vote was called for on the question That  
the amendments be agreed to 
Ayes 74 
New Zealand Labour 52; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9. 
Noes 43 
New Zealand National 27; ACT New Zealand 7; United Future 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Amendments agreed to.
Hide Rodney: Speaker’s Rulings — Stranger in the Lobbies—President of Council of Trade Unions  
Hide Rodney: Speaker’s Rulings — Stranger in the Lobbies—President of Council of Trade Unions  
[Volume:620;Page:16104] 
RODNEY HIDE (Leader—ACT) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. Just as a follow-up issue something that I am not clear about and that I think it may be worth taking away and considering is the process by which a person becomes an adviser. It appears to me that you are not advised of who the advisers are but that it is really an informal process we have where a Minister says for instance: “These three people are my advisers.” For example Mr Wilson could have been declared an adviser after the event or 5 minutes before it. I just wonder whether it is not worth considering that process so that we have some formality before the event about who is and who is not an adviser.
Gosche Mark: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Gosche Mark: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:625;Page:19870] 
1.  
CLAYTON COSGROVE 
 (Labour—Waimakariri) on behalf of  
Hon MARK GOSCHE (Labour—Maungakiekie) 
 to the  
Minister of Finance 
: What principles led the new funding formula for passenger clearance service costs? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Minister of Finance) 
: 
 The principle of fairness is based on the allocation of costs to the primary beneficiary so the Government will pay the full cost for biosecurity and customs and the airlines for aviation security. This leads to a rough 50-50 split between the two. 
Clayton Cosgrove 
: How will the industry costs be allocated? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN 
: They will be allocated through a uniform per passenger charge of $8.31 which will be collected by the airlines rather than the airports. This is in addition to the $1 Civil Aviation Authority fee and represents a total increase of $4.31 over current charges. New international airports will move to the uniform charge at the end of their first year of operation provided they have achieved a level of 9000 departing passengers a year. 
Peter Brown 
: Does the Minister accept that Rotorua is one of our tourism-centre jewels and that if it developed its airport to international standards it should not charge any more per passenger than our current international airports; if he does not accept that will he please explain why? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN 
: We have provided for initial costs in relation to new airports because when airports are starting up with small numbers of passengers the per-passenger cost is extremely high indeed. The Mayor of Rotorua has expressed his appreciation that the Government has listened to the submissions from him and other supportive mayors around the country.
Peters Winston: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Peters Winston: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:623;Page:18792] 
3.  
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First) 
 to the  
Minister of Immigration 
: Is he confident that his immigration policy is sufficiently protecting New Zealand from any adverse effects including the threat of terrorism; if so why? 
Hon PAUL SWAIN (Minister of Immigration) 
: 
 The Immigration Act was strengthened in 1999 with the aim of protecting New Zealand from adverse effects of immigration including the threat of terrorism. Part IVA of that Act deals with people who pose a security risk. The Government is currently reviewing various aspects of the Act to ensure that it works more effectively. 
Rt Hon Winston Peters 
: Is he confident that Asha Ali Abdille the refugee sickness beneficiary whom he ordered an inquiry into last year and who has a string of criminal convictions is not a threat to the New Zealand community; if so why? 
Hon PAUL SWAIN 
: Yes I did order an inquiry into that. There were two issues: firstly the seriousness of the alleged crimes which is still being investigated and secondly whether she was a fit and proper person to bring in other family members. That whole policy issue is one that I have currently under review. 
Rt Hon Winston Peters 
: Why was it after an Official Information Act request to his office was lodged that the reply came back with so many blanks such as that with hardly a word on the page that no one is any the wiser including the blanking out of Asha Ali Abdille’s criminal history and also the department’s recommendations being blanked out as to what to do with this woman who has been trying to bring 14 members of her family into this country; what on earth is going on? 
Hon PAUL SWAIN 
: That information was released on advice. 
Hon Tony Ryall 
: Has the Minister been made aware of the Refugee Status Appeals Authority decision 75081 made last year on 5 November which is still suppressed for apparently exceptional reasons and involves an applicant of Jordanian/Palestinian background and are there any security issues associated with that claim? 
Hon PAUL SWAIN 
: I am not aware of decision 75081 and therefore cannot comment further. 
Rt Hon Winston Peters 
: I seek leave to table a document released under the Official Information Act from the Minister which shows there is no information on it at all. 
Document by leave laid on the Table of the House.
Cullen Michael: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Cullen Michael: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:620;Page:15468] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 You have already indicated that under certain circumstances you would be prepared to do that but I suggest that if it is to be done with any degree of frequency it would need to be balanced on the other side: where members were asking questions that were trivial inappropriately phrased or not taking the House seriously then future supplementary questions would be deducted from the party asking those questions. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: That is a nice thought but I do not intend to do that. What I do intend however is to agree with the original point that was raised by Mr Hide and Mr Franks. I will allow extra supplementary questions if I think I have to and I actually have done that a few times this year.
Beyer Georgina: Electoral (Vacancies) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
Beyer Georgina: Electoral (Vacancies) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:610;Page:7778] 
GEORGINA BEYER (NZ Labour—Wairarapa) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Vote: Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims Bill — In Committee Procedure Third Reading 
Vote: Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims Bill — In Committee Procedure Third Reading 
[Volume:626;Page:20983] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to 
. 
Ayes 55 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 7; United Future 8. 
Noes 62 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Marc Alexander to clause 18(2) be agreed to: 
to omit paragraphs (a) and (b).
Vote: Fisheries Amendment Bill (No 4) — In Committee 
Vote: Fisheries Amendment Bill (No 4) — In Committee 
[Volume:619;Page:14576] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 14 
Green Party 9; ACT New Zealand 4; Maori Party 1. 
Noes 102 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; United Future 8; Progressive 2; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Amendment not agreed to.
Mahuta Nanaia: Immigration Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Mahuta Nanaia: Immigration Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:609;Page:6731] 
NANAIA MAHUTA (NZ Labour—Tainui) 
: 
 I rise to speak to the first reading of the Immigration Amendment Bill which seeks to reflect the Government’s commitment to an ongoing and stable immigration programme. I commend the bill to the House.
Vote: Public Finance (State Sector Management) Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Public Finance (State Sector Management) Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:622;Page:17939] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 70 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 49 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 9. 
Amendments agreed to.
Cullen Michael: Business Statement 
Cullen Michael: Business Statement 
[Volume:618;Page:14459] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I can set the member’s mind at rest—no.
Hide Rodney: Points of Order — Rodney Hide—Apology to the House Minister of Maori Affairs—Answer to Question 
Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume 
Hide Rodney: Points of Order — Rodney Hide—Apology to the House Minister of Maori Affairs—Answer to Question 
[Sitting date: 19 June 2003. Volume:609;Page:6413. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
RODNEY HIDE (ACT NZ) 
: 
 Through you Mr Speaker yesterday the Minister of Maori Affairs said he would answer a question and get back to me directly. I am sorry to report to the House that the Minister has yet to get back to me with the answer.
Business Statement 
Business Statement 
[Volume:621;Page:16593] 
Business Statement 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 Next week in the House priority will be given to the third reading of the Care of Children Bill and to the second readings of the Transport Legislation Bill the Electoral Matters Bill and the Social Security (Long-term Residential Care) Amendment Bill. Wednesday is a members’ day. On Thursday it is intended that the sitting of the House will commence at 4 p.m. with a motion in relation to the entombment of an Unknown New Zealand Warrior. There will be no oral questions on that day. 
GERRY BROWNLEE (Deputy Leader—National) 
: 
 Can the Leader of the House give us some indication of when he would expect the Foreshore and Seabed Bill to receive its second reading in the House and at what pace will it progress through its Committee stage towards a third reading? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 We will proceed to that when we are ready to do so—that is when we have completed discussions with my own colleagues and with New Zealand First in particular. Should National members wish to become supportive and positive I am sure I will be happy to have discussions with them as well. I expect that the second reading will be not too far in the distance. The pace at which the bill will be taken will depend upon the speed with which closure motions are accepted during the Committee stage by the Chairs of the Committee.
Vote: Resource Management (Aquaculture Moratorium Extension) Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Vote: Resource Management (Aquaculture Moratorium Extension) Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:616;Page:11663] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 2 be agreed to. 
Ayes 84 
New Zealand Labour 52; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 36 
New Zealand National 27; ACT New Zealand 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Part 2 agreed to.
Swain Paul: Amended answers to Oral Questions — Question No. 3 to Minister 30 March 
Swain Paul: Amended answers to Oral Questions — Question No. 3 to Minister 30 March 
[Volume:616;Page:12515] 
Hon PAUL SWAIN (Minister of Corrections) 
: 
 On 30 March in answer to a question from the Hon Tony Ryall I advised the House that a number of people including “that man”—referring to Mr Haydn Solomon—were employed as Department of Corrections staff in order to get the consultation going. I have since been advised that none of the individuals listed in the schedule that I tabled on 23 March have been employees of the department including Haydn Solomon. They were in fact engaged by the department on a contract for services. I apologise to the House for the error.
Hunt Jonathan: Urgent Debates Declined — Electricity—State of Industry Power Station—Huntly 
Hunt Jonathan: Urgent Debates Declined — Electricity—State of Industry Power Station—Huntly 
[Volume:619;Page:14944] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I have received a letter from Peter Brown seeking an urgent debate on the “state of our electricity industry”. This is clearly not a particular case of recent occurrence and cannot give grounds for a debate. In his letter the member refers to a recent report by an electricity industry consultant but has provided no authenticating material in respect of it. In these circumstances the application for a debate is rejected.
Mackey Moana: Maori Fisheries Bill — In Committee 
Mackey Moana: Maori Fisheries Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:620;Page:15602] 
MOANA MACKEY (Labour) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Vote: Fisheries Amendment Bill (No 4) — In Committee 
Vote: Fisheries Amendment Bill (No 4) — In Committee 
[Volume:619;Page:14582] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 74 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand First 13; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 42 
New Zealand National 27; Green Party 9; ACT New Zealand 4; Maori Party 1; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Motion agreed to.
Vote: Sale of Liquor Amendment Bill (No 2) — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
Vote: Sale of Liquor Amendment Bill (No 2) — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:616;Page:12361] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That clauses 1 and 2 and Parts 1 and 2 as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 105 
New Zealand Labour 52; New Zealand National 21; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 14 
New Zealand National 5; ACT New Zealand 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Clauses 1 and 2 and Parts 1 and 2 as amended agreed to.
Vote: Corrections Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Procedure 
Vote: Corrections Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:617;Page:13042] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 8. 
Noes 62 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 204 in the name of Marc Alexander to clause 196 be agreed to.
Vote: Resource Management (Energy and Climate Change) Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Vote: Resource Management (Energy and Climate Change) Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:615;Page:11334] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to 
Ayes 46 
New Zealand National 25; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 7; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Noes 70 
New Zealand Labour 52; Green Party 8; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to.
Cullen Michael: Business of the House 
Cullen Michael: Business of the House 
[Volume:610;Page:7291] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I seek leave for the Privileges Committee to meet during the evenings of 29 and 30 July to consider the question of privilege relating to the Hon Harry Duynhoven. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought. Is there any objection? There is not.
Vote: Maori Fisheries Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Maori Fisheries Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:620;Page:15604] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 12; Green Party 9; ACT New Zealand 8. 
Noes 61 
New Zealand Labour 51; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 260 in the name of MetiriaTurei to clause 38 be agreed to.
Vote: Maori Television Service Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Maori Television Service Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:607;Page:5071] 
The question was put t 
hat the following amendment in the name of Metiria Turei to new clause 28D(1) set out on Supplementary Order Paper 77 in the name of the Hon Parekura Horomia be agreed to: 
to add to new paragraph 28D(1)(b) the words “to be used in fulfilling the functions set out in section 8”.
Pettis Jill: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Pettis Jill: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:608;Page:5460] 
3.  
JILL PETTIS (NZ Labour—Whanganui) 
 to the  
Associate Minister of Education (Tertiary Education) 
: What reports has he received on the Gateway initiative to provide structured workplace learning opportunities for senior school students? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY (Associate Minister of Education (Tertiary Education)) 
: 
 I am today releasing the Tertiary Education Commission’s evaluation of what is called the Gateway programme which was introduced by this Government in 2001 as a pathway for senior students into a wide range of industries. In that year over 1000 students achieved 18273 credits working through 24 schools and with 200 employers. The evaluation shows that schools students employers and everybody else involved with this programme have found it very positive because of the advantages of work-based learning. 
Jill Pettis 
: Could the Minister please advise what number of young people the programme is intended to assist; and how is the programme of direct assistance to business? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY 
: I am advised that another 1000 students have been involved in 63 schools over the past year and they have all benefited from the programme as well. From the point of view of industry it has given employers the chance to encourage young people back into areas like construction where there is clearly an ageing workforce. In schools for example as one principal has put it: “One unintended consequence is that we’ve gotten rid of negative employer perceptions about what goes on in our school.” Because the programme is so successful there will be an announcement next week about its expansion. 
Hon Brian Donnelly 
: If the Gateway programme is so good—and we do not deny that it has successes—why does the Minister not take the Secondary Tertiary Alignment Resource money which is essentially for the same purpose but delivered in a different way and simply add it to the Gateway programme’s budget? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY 
: I think the Secondary Tertiary Alignment Resource money is well used as it is. We have reviewed the use of that money which is much better applied to students who are simply trying to get themselves on to the national qualifications framework. The value of the Gateway programme is that it gives a chance for young people to get into a workplace explore whether it is the pathway for them and then begin to enjoy the benefits of getting into Modern Apprenticeships or into other pathways on the national qualifications framework.
Dalziel Lianne: Land Transport Amendment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
Dalziel Lianne: Land Transport Amendment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:626;Page:21364] 
LIANNE DALZIEL (Labour—Christchurch East) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Alexander Marc: Police Complaints Authority (Commission of Inquiry into Police Conduct) Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
Alexander Marc: Police Complaints Authority (Commission of Inquiry into Police Conduct) Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
[Volume:617;Page:12933] 
MARC ALEXANDER (United Future) 
: 
 I have always been a great believer in coming to the point and I just want to make one observation about the speech made by the member who has just resumed his seat. It was the verbal equivalent of a tap dripping. 
I want to make three particular points about this bill. This amendment bill was always about the balance between confidence in the Police Complaints Authority process and the integrity of the police. It is the integrity of the police that has been called into question of late. I think one of things we can say about that is that the police always take their cues from the top. 
The bill cannot be allowed to set a precedent whereby information and the identities of those supplying information under the provision of secrecy occurs again and again. I think that is something that troubled most people on the committee—the fact that the bill does actually set a precedent. Like one of the previous speakers Stephen Franks I am not convinced that it will not happen again and again particularly as—as he rightly pointed out—we have just passed a bill that gives immunity for lying and because this bill breaks the code of secrecy for telling the truth. There is some irony in that which I think will cause us some problems down the track when we are thinking about ethics with regard to police accountability. 
The bill should not be allowed to compromise future investigations. I believe that it will ultimately inhibit future disclosures and that is part of the problem—the police reneging on the promise of secrecy. It is something that should not be done lightly and I do not believe that this first occasion will be the last. Ultimately it is also about restoring public confidence in the police by showing that the police are not beyond the law but are subject to it as everyone else is. The trouble is that we have here in some ways competing concerns and competing interests that sat uncomfortably with most of the committee. In his Supplementary Order Paper Stephen Franks has placated some of the disquiet but not completely. I think everybody in this House can see the need for this bill and for the Supplementary Order Paper which allowed it to have a somewhat better degree of secrecy and so maintain a better degree of integrity. 
But at the same time I would say that this bill has been rushed far too quickly through the process. Why on earth was that issue not thought about right at the beginning? It seems to me that to rush a bill of this nature through the effects of which will have ramifications down the track does this Parliament a huge disservice because it does not allow for the full scrutiny that this bill should entail. Nevertheless United Future will be supporting this bill and we look forward to the potential of this Government not to shove bills through in quite the same manner again. 
Bill read a third time.
Vote: Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims Bill — In Committee Procedure Third Reading 
Vote: Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims Bill — In Committee Procedure Third Reading 
[Volume:626;Page:20991] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 57 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 9; United Future 8. 
Noes 62 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 371 in the name of Marc Alexander to omit subpart 3 of Part 2 be agreed to.
Vote: Corrections Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Procedure 
Vote: Corrections Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:617;Page:13023] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 7; United Future 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Noes 62 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Ron Mark to clause 50 be agreed to: 
to omit clause 50.
Vote: Human Assisted Reproductive Technology Bill — In Committee Procedure 
Vote: Human Assisted Reproductive Technology Bill — In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:621;Page:16365] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That clause 2 as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 99 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand National 20; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; ACT New Zealand 2; United Future 2; Progressive 2. 
Noes 17 
New Zealand National 4; ACT New Zealand 6; United Future 6; Maori Party 1. 
Clause 2 as amended agreed to. 
Bill reported with amendment.
Chadwick Steve: Health Practitioners Competence Assurance Bill — In Committee 
Chadwick Steve: Health Practitioners Competence Assurance Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:611;Page:8179] 
STEVE CHADWICK (NZ Labour—Rotorua) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Appointments — Ombudsman—Melwyn Purefoy Smith 
Appointments — Ombudsman—Melwyn Purefoy Smith 
[Volume:624;Page:19546] 
Appointments 
Ombudsman—Melwyn Purefoy Smith 
Hon PAUL SWAIN (Minister of Labour) 
 on behalf of the  
Leader of the House 
: I move  
That pursuant to section 8 of the Ombudsmen Act 1975 this House recommend Her Excellency the Governor-General to reappoint Melwyn Purefoy Smith of Wellington as an additional Ombudsman for a period of 6 months commencing on 5 June 2005 
. 
LINDSAY TISCH (National—Piako) 
: 
 On behalf of the National Party and I am sure of other parties also we have much pleasure in supporting this motion for the reappointment of Mr Mel Smith to be an additional Ombudsman for the period of 6 months. My understanding is that Mr Smith was first appointed Ombudsman in December 2001 then was reappointed for a 2-year period commencing on 5 June 2003. As the current appointment terminates in June this motion extends the appointment for another 6 months until 5 December 2005. We on the Opposition side of the House certainly acknowledge the work expertise and commitment of Mr Smith as Ombudsman and we have much pleasure in supporting this reappointment. 
Motion agreed to.
Carter Chris: Education (Export Education Levy) Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
Carter Chris: Education (Export Education Levy) Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
[Volume:619;Page:15008] 
Hon CHRIS CARTER (Minister of Conservation) 
: 
 I rise to support this excellent piece of legislation.
Tisch Lindsay: Appropriation (2004/05 Estimates) Bill — Third Reading Imprest Supply Debate 
Tisch Lindsay: Appropriation (2004/05 Estimates) Bill — Third Reading Imprest Supply Debate 
[Volume:619;Page:14982] 
LINDSAY TISCH (Junior Whip—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. The challenging of the Chair earlier on by displaying signage that had been ruled out during question time is a deliberate challenge to this House and to your authority. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I thank the member but I have already dealt with that matter. 
LINDSAY TISCH 
: I would like to finish the point I am making. I know you have dealt with it. However the same members who were involved this time were the members who were involved during question time and that is a challenge to you and to the authority of this House. We take strong exception that this has occurred a second time. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I thank the honourable member for his contribution. The Chair does not need inquests on actions he has already taken. I have already dealt with the issue.
Prebble Richard: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members Questions to Ministers 
Prebble Richard: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:615;Page:11515] 
Hon RICHARD PREBBLE (Leader—ACT) 
: 
 Provided that I get an assurance from the right honourable gentleman that New Zealand First is not making a reflection on the judiciary then I have no objection.
Hawkins George: Corrections Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Hawkins George: Corrections Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:617;Page:13154] 
Hon GEORGE HAWKINS (Minister of Police) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Simich Clem: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Procedure Referral to Health Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled  Speaker Recalled In Committee Procedure 
Simich Clem: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Procedure Referral to Health Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled  Speaker Recalled In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:613;Page:9968] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich) 
: The member is quite right. Calls were being sought by others.
Fairbrother Russell: Civil Aviation Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Fairbrother Russell: Civil Aviation Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:615;Page:11362] 
RUSSELL FAIRBROTHER (Labour—Napier) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Pettis Jill: Counter-Terrorism Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Pettis Jill: Counter-Terrorism Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:612;Page:9362] 
JILL PETTIS (Junior Whip—Labour) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
[Volume:619;Page:15077] 
To those who want to grow this crop under the regime that this Parliament is putting in place I say that I wish them well. I think there will be a place for the products from hemp should it be a successful crop because I for one am a regular user of hemp hand cream from the Body Shop. I can recommend it to members. Some of my colleagues over there are nodding their heads. My tube is empty but should those members go down to the Body Shop tomorrow they too could have the smoothest hands in New Zealand—and that comes from the use of a product that could be grown in New Zealand. Having said that I point out that it will be grown under a regulatory regime that is more severe than the member wanted. But when we are looking at a crop that does have potential dangers and risk I think we must be careful. Over time we can look at how that proceeds how well it is going and how those risks are being managed.
Okeroa Mahara: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Okeroa Mahara: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:613;Page:9843] 
5.  
MAHARA OKEROA (Labour—Te Tai Tonga) 
 to the  
Associate Minister of Education (Tertiary Education) 
: What is the Government doing to meet the skill needs identified by the growth and innovation task forces? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY (Associate Minister of Education (Tertiary Education)) 
: 
The Government has committed $21.55 million over 4 years for two new contestable funds to ensure the training needs of the biotechnology information and communications technology and design industries are effectively met by tertiary education organisations. The Tertiary Education Commission is commencing work with the tertiary sector on the new growth and innovation framework sector peak bodies to ensure that they understand what the funds are for and they are ready to make applications early next year. 
Mahara Okeroa 
: What are the two funds called and what practical purposes might they be used for? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY 
: The enterprise training for emerging industries initiative— 
Gerry Brownlee 
: What name? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY 
: I know that people are eager on the other side to tell their local institutions about this so I will repeat that. The enterprise training for emerging industries initiative can build connections between tertiary organisations and the three sectors by helping an information and communications technology organisation to establish additional types of training within the growth and innovation framework sector or to help establish consortia between these sectors their companies and particular providers within the tertiary sector. The entrepreneurship and knowledge transfer initiative can promote the sharing of knowledge by supporting the development of management training or providing advice and support for the commercialisation of good ideas.
Vote: Ngati Awa Claims Settlement Bill — In Committee Procedure 
Vote: Ngati Awa Claims Settlement Bill — In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:623;Page:18853] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That schedule 9 be agreed to 
. 
Ayes 98 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand National 27; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2; Maori Party 1. 
Noes 22 
New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 9. 
Schedule 9 agreed to.
Cullen Michael: Business Statement 
Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume 
Cullen Michael: Business Statement 
[Sitting date: 19 June 2003. Volume:609;Page:6413. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 Taking the second point first I indicate that the Government is intending to take extended hours from Tuesday through to Friday 6 p.m. in the fourth week. I will come back to members whips and leaders particularly hopefully by the end of next week with a full list of the intended business. On the Crown Minerals Amendment Bill it is fair to say we are not likely to deal with that in the next 2 weeks. I hope we will make early progress in the next sitting of Parliament.
Hunt Jonathan: Points of Order — Finding of Contempt—Hon Dr Nick Smith Member’s Notice of Motion No. 2—Wording Finding of Contempt—Hon Dr Nick Smith 
Hunt Jonathan: Points of Order — Finding of Contempt—Hon Dr Nick Smith Member’s Notice of Motion No. 2—Wording Finding of Contempt—Hon Dr Nick Smith 
[Volume:616;Page:12039] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I hereby present a communication I have received from the registrar of the High Court regarding a finding of contempt against the Hon Dr Nick Smith.
Paraone Pita: Intellectual Disability (Compulsory Care and Rehabilitation) Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Paraone Pita: Intellectual Disability (Compulsory Care and Rehabilitation) Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:612;Page:9572] 
PITA PARAONE (NZ First) 
: 
 I want to take a short call to say that although New Zealand First recognises the inclusion of the word “rehabilitation” in the title we accept the comments made by the select committee in its report. One concern I have about its inclusion although I welcome it as part of the title and therefore as part of the bill is that “rehabilitation” as such is not defined. It is certainly not defined in the Supplementary Order Paper. I must commend the Government—given that we have challenged its process so far in terms of the way it has dealt with the amount of legislation this week and in particular the fact that the last debate concerned a Supplementary Order Paper to the tune of 40-odd pages—for this one being reduced to 10 pages. So one can only presume that the Government is starting to see the light and that the introduction of such lengthy Supplementary Order Papers at such late notice is being considered a little bit out of order. 
Even though other parties in the Chamber may want to prolong the debate in looking at the Supplementary Order Paper and at the title in particular I think it is relevant that the word “rehabilitation” be included. If that issue is not addressed—and some people may argue that “rehabilitation” should not be included in this particular bill—I think we are doomed to retain the attitude we have had for far too long in this country and to condemn those who are the subject of this bill to a lifetime of enduring the illnesses they have been afflicted with without any care or concern expressed by the community. Therefore I welcome the inclusion of the word “rehabilitation” in the title.
Dunne Peter: Motions — Polish Children—60th Anniversary 
Dunne Peter: Motions — Polish Children—60th Anniversary 
[Volume:621;Page:16782] 
Hon PETER DUNNE (Leader—United Future) 
: 
 I rise on behalf of United Future to support the motion and to endorse the comments that others have made. War is at its most cruel when it deals with the innocent and the most innocent in all crises and conflicts are the children. Many of the images we have of wartime are of children being evacuated to the English countryside to Canada to other places. But there can be few more poignant tales than the evacuation of the 733 Polish children to New Zealand 60 years ago. While we can say that 733 is a number that equates roughly to our total refugee quota today it is not a large number. Yet in those 60 years the influence of those children and their families in New Zealand has been such that just about every single one of us can recall some form of interaction—be it family or otherwise—with those Polish refugees from 1944. So I salute them and their achievements. I salute the New Zealand Government of the time for its wisdom and compassion in making that move and I congratulate all those refugees their families their descendants and those close to them on the huge contribution they have made and continue to make to New Zealand today.
Vote: Border Security Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Border Security Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:617;Page:13292] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 13 
New Zealand First 13. 
Noes 104 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand National 27; Green Party 9; ACT New Zealand 6; United Future 8; Progressive 2; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Peter Brown to clause 8C be agreed to: 
to add the following new section: 
50BPrinciples of cost recovery 
(1)In recommending the nature and level of fees and charges to be prescribed under section 50A in any particular case or class of cases of beneficiary or other matter the Minister as far as is reasonably practicable must have regard to the following criteria: 
(a)equity in that funding for a particular function power or service or a particular class of functions powers or services should generally and to the extent practicable be sourced from the beneficiaries of the relevant function power or service at a level proportionate with their benefit from the function power or service: 
(b)efficiency in that costs should generally be allocated and recovered in order to ensure that functions powers or service are delivered at minimum cost: 
(c)justifiability in that costs should be collected only to meet the reasonable costs (including indirect costs) for the provision or exercise of the relevant function power or service: 
(d)transparency in that costs should be identified and allocated as closely as practicable in relation to tangible service provision for the recovery period in which the service is provided.
Pettis Jill: Local Government (Rating Cap) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Pettis Jill: Local Government (Rating Cap) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:617;Page:12690] 
JILL PETTIS (Labour—Whanganui) 
: 
 Ladies and gentlemen that was one of the contenders in the ACT primary Ms Muriel Newman. I have to say that that speech was really about an ACT primary—it had very little to do with the bill at all. This Government is not supporting this bill because it does nothing for ratepayers. It does nothing about reducing rate increases. In fact it takes the power away from ratepayers. 
This Government supports local democracy. One of the things I have been delighted to hear as I have been moving around my constituency is that people are appreciating the increased dialogue between central government and local government. Certainly those local government members who are actively engaged with their community are making statements along the lines of: “We appreciate the fact that for the first time in a number of years central government is talking with us and listening to the concerns we have as local government members.” 
In effect this bill would mean that if a local community wants its council to do something that requires the raising of rates beyond inflation the council would not be able to do that even if the community paying the rates wants that. I have to say that there is a disconnection between what the proponents of this bill are advocating and what is really happening out there in the community of New Zealand. To denigrate the positive impact of consultation really reflects how little face-to-face contact or trust some members on the other side of the House have with the community they purport to represent. I suggest they get out and engage with the people on a one-to-one basis or talk in small groups. It is an enlightening experience. Consulting with the community is a very positive thing for both local government and for the community itself. 
In my opinion local government does have a social responsibility and I am sure that is the opinion of my colleagues on this side of the House. Local government has historically exhibited its social responsibility in for example the provision of housing. Council housing in my electorate has been an important part of the essential infrastructure that helps to make the community I represent strong. Social responsibility is an integral part of the overarching responsibility that local government has. If one is not consulting talking with or listening to the community one represents I have to say that one is in serious trouble and risks being accused of being arrogant and out of touch. I am proud of the relationship that this Labour-led progressive Government has forged with Local Government New Zealand. We do meet with local government in our area on a regular basis and I personally appreciate the relationship I have with my local government representatives. That is one of the reasons that we will not be supporting this bill.
Burton Mark: Motor Vehicle Sales Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Burton Mark: Motor Vehicle Sales Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:607;Page:4760] 
Hon MARK BURTON (Deputy Leader of the House) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Woolerton R Doug: General Debates 
Woolerton R Doug: General Debates 
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R DOUG WOOLERTON (NZ First) 
: 
 I often praise the actions of the Labour-led Government but today I cannot do that. 
Government Members 
: Aw! 
R DOUG WOOLERTON 
: Today I think “Yes it is Wednesday.” and today I think the Government needs a clip around the ear. The very issue where this Labour Government promised much and that it takes most pride in is the issue it is failing in and that is race relations. I speak on race relations as a member of a party whose caucus is almost 50 percent Maori of which I am proud. This Government promised much as far as race relations was concerned and it has delivered nothing. In fact we are in need of some clear direction and leadership. 
I speak out of disappointment I guess rather than anger because I thought that after the past years when under both Labour and National administrations much was done to address treaty issues this Government which had promised large would go out there and start to deliver in a progressive fashion those things that remain to be done for our Maori people. But that has not happened and I think that is because at the last election this Government raised expectations to a point that they could not be delivered on. With due respect I would suggest that Don Brash is doing a similar thing in exactly the opposite way at the present time. Part of the problem is that when one raises expectations then fails to deliver on them it creates an anger in the country and that anger is manifest at the present time. That anger disappoints me and it is an anger that I have not seen in my lifetime. We are hearing talk of civil war no less at some time in the future. I know that the man who said that has retracted to a degree those statements but that does not alter the fact that they were made. I have never heard that in my whole life in this country and it saddens me to hear it now. 
I believe that this issue started before the aquaculture situation which brought about the foreshore and seabed issue arose. I believe that it started at the last election when too much was promised. I believe that this Government now needs to stand back from some of the things it has promised and take a realistic look at what can be and should be achieved in this country and then I think the problem can be resolved. But unless the Government does that I think we are in for a messy messy business. As I said earlier I say that in disappointment rather than in anger and I hope the Government will see fit in the time remaining before the next election to readdress this issue and get on with it in the fashion it promised to do at the last election.