Watts Simon; McAnulty KieranSIMON WATTS (National—North Shore): Minister you've quoted a number of total estimated savings in regards to what you believe will be delivered under your reset of three waters and my question is in regards to the underlying supporting models assumptions—and also copies of the peer review analysis that you cited has been undertaken on those savings. My question is: will you be willing to table that underlying information that substantiates the savings numbers that you have spoken about in the public domain right now and if not why not? Because the challenge that I have in regards to this is when this question has been asked in regards to the release of this information to date that has been blocked. And so why I believe that that is an issue—and why I'm seeking the opportunity to be able to table that information right now—is you know what is the basis for withholding the information that in effect substantiates the significant savings that you talk about in the public domain in regards to your reform? What is the basis on why that information is being withheld to date and does the Minister have concerns in regards to those new numbers or if not what is the justification around why that information hasn't been released?In regards to that specific modelling information I'd also like the Minister to clarify—and it's pretty fundamental in regards to the overall debt position—the Minister just quoted a number of $185 billion. You know we're not going to get into the tit-for-tat politics around whether that number is mythical or real—I have a clear position on one aspect of that. But in regards to the way in which the modelling of the savings that the Minister has used in the public domain to date has the Minister calculated the repayment of principal of the debt that these new 10 entities are going to borrow or simply just the interest-only component on that debt? Because that is quite a significant difference in regards to the element that would be repaid; it has quite a significant difference in regards to the modelling of the savings that has been put out.The other aspect in regards to the savings is that the Scottish water analysis; the Water Industry Commission of Scotland analysis used to sell the four-entity model by his predecessor. The Minister before the reset said that some communities—including Napier and Nelson—would be worse off versus the status quo than under an eight- or a 12-entity model. And on that basis then you know the 10-entity model would indicate that those communities Nelson and Napier in particular would be worse off. I'd be interested in the Minister's perspective around whether that is the case—or if not what his position is in regards to that.Hon KIERAN McANULTY (Minister of Local Government): No that is not the case; that is incorrect. Every single ratepayer that accesses council-provided water services will save money as a result of our reforms. The modelling is already available on the website so too is the peer-reviewed report. There is updated modelling which will be released shortly. That is the right thing to do particularly when you are considering something so fundamental as significant costs facing ratepayers. I invite the member to do the same for his policy.