Jackson WillieHon WILLIE JACKSON (Labour): I just tautoko the kōrero there given from the Hon Barbara Edmonds—one part of the kōrero she talked about. I come from a family of blue-collar workers too. My mother was a cleaner here actually in the late 1960s-1970s. I know that's probably an occupation foreign to most of the other side who probably haven't even cleaned their offices. But the reality is that for us it's heartbreaking actually as we put this forward because as my good friend Barbara Edmonds said it's the most vulnerable workers who are being targeted here—the most vulnerable.As I said earlier and I'll continue to say with regards to this kaupapa here we are a week or so away from Christmas and we're putting up this bill. Here we have bus drivers cleaners and coach drivers hospitality workers security officers commercial cleaners early childhood education workers and supermarket workers all being targeted with this bill. So that's the reason why we're supporting bus drivers in this particular instance.Being a bus driver is not the most glamorous job Madam Chair—well you wouldn't know of course probably having everyone drive for you! But the reality is that it's not a glamorous job. My good friend here Helen White has represented bus drivers in Auckland as a lawyer in former times and they've had a real push in terms of their conditions. Axing fair pay agreements will shave up to $10000 a year off a bus driver's salary—that's just according to the Council of Trade Unions who are a very reliable source as we all know. They said that on Checkpoint today and they also said that the Government's plan in terms of getting rid of the policy by Christmas is really threatening the lives of so many people.There seems to be an inability to understand that and an inability to understand also that bus drivers keep quitting—and have been quitting for the last couple of years. It's normal for four or five bus drivers to quit each week because the conditions are just too much for them. They're saying that they never see their families. The new recruits are not lasting long. They've said the hours are just far too strenuous. So in terms of what's been happening with regards to the drivers the question I have for the Minister is: what's her consultation been with the bus drivers?With us deciding to not have a select committee process obviously that would have been an opportunity not just for drivers but for workers right across the spectrum to have put a few questions up to discuss their future. What sort of consultation has the Minister had? Is she still considering consulting with bus drivers? Because the reality is that the right thing is not being done by this Government and these workers deserve respect deserve to be treated in the right way. As I said it's not the most glamorous of jobs but a job that's being filled by immigrants Pasifika Māori people who make contributions in our community and the consultation process has been a huge priority for us.So the question is: has there been any consultation? Will there be any consultation? Is there any process? Or will you just walk all over these workers like National and National Governments always have done in the past? What is the strategy going forward?