Henare PeeniPEENI HENARE (Labour—Tāmaki Makaurau): Tēnā koe. Thank you for this opportunity. I rise to take a short call on this particular bill the Outer Space and High-altitude Activities Bill and I want to focus in the vein of my colleague Dr David Clark's contribution around some of the red tape and bureaucracy but more importantly the practical nature of some of the enforcement provisions that are outlined in this bill.But just to start my contribution in the past week my son turned 21. Now I can understand you looked perplexed because of how young I look that I have got a 21-year-old son but the reason for putting it on the record first is that when he was a child Toy Story was the movie. There is Woody and there is Buzz Lightyear. Of course he loved Buzz Lightyear; I was more of a Woody fan—bit of a traditionalist.The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Chester Borrows): Careful!PEENI HENARE: But we have come this far—we have come this far. [Interruption] Are you taking the piss? I am sorry. No but we have come this far and now this is an exciting opportunity for future generations to actually as my colleague has said punch through the sky—that glass ceiling that sits above us—and explore the new frontier.But I want to come back to the bill now now that that is on the record for my boy—happy birthday boy. In clause 16 Application for payload permit" subclause (1) says: "A person or persons may apply to the Minister for a payload permit for the launch and operation of 1 or more payloads of a particular type." Now I can understand that sometimes we do not want to burden people with bureaucracy but just because of the sheer nature of this type of activity I would have thought that for each rocket launch especially in the initial stages of this particular endeavour a permit must be sought each time. As I read this—and I could be wrong; some clarification from the Minister would be great—it says: "operation of one or more payloads …". Well how many more are we talking about? I understand that in the commercial sense the particular payloads we are talking about might be of one single nature but is this a sort of open door to say "Well any payload of that particular nature from that permit holder can actually just go ahead."?I would like to think that there would be a little bit more of a strict view by the Minister on this particular matter until of course we are at a stage where we are comfortable with the settings in exactly how this particular endeavour looks for our people here in Aotearoa New Zealand—when we have got our systems right and when we have got our mechanisms in place to safeguard against some of the questions that are being asked in this debate. I certainly do not think that that is unreasonable or outside of the scope to expect something from the Minister or perhaps some more direction on this particular matter to make sure that those—I do not want to use the word "restrictions" but I do want to make sure the safeguarding of any commercial endeavours of the payload permit process moving forward are actually in place to make sure that we can see a trend we have got a clear list identifying what types of payloads are going into the ascent up into the orbit and I think that this is an important part that I would like to hear a little bit more from the Minister and the advisers on that particular matter.My colleagues on this side of the Chamber—and I have got another meeting to get to shortly so I just want to wind up if I can with the next clause clause 17 "When payload permit may be granted". I want to focus on clause 17(1)(aa): "the applicant has an orbital debris mitigation plan that meets any prescribed requirements;". My colleague Dr David Clark talked about the segregated areas that can be declared by a Minister. I just quickly want to point out that for those who are able to access that site I wonder exactly whether we have thought about the practicalities and indeed the capacity of our workforce to actually deal with something like this. If we send a workplace safety assessor on to a segregated site declared by the Minister does that person exactly understand what they have got themselves into and how this might work?I just want to hear whether there are any ways that we can build our capacity. I understand that this will always happen when we reach into new frontiers—I understand that—but there should also be a robust plan for our workforce: ambulance police and all those people who will be confronted by these particular matters should mitigation debris plans actually not work. I will leave those questions for the Minister now. Thank you."