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Hughes Darren: Business Statement 
Hughes Darren: Business Statement 
[Volume:665;Page:12603] 
Hon DARREN HUGHES (Senior Whip—Labour) 
: 
 I thank the Leader of the House for his update. I wonder whether there is any legislation resulting from the Government’s change of policy this week in respect of mining on schedule 4 lands. The Government announced that extra land would be included on schedule 4 of the Crown Minerals Act rather than being mined. Will that result in any amendments to that Act which is legislation that I know the Minister of Energy and Resources is all over.
Brownlee Gerry: Business Statement 
Brownlee Gerry: Business Statement 
[Volume:665;Page:12603] 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (Leader of the House) 
: 
 When the House resumes on Tuesday 27 July priority will be given to the Committee stage of the Appropriation (2010/11 Estimates) Bill known as the estimates debate. Further in the week we would expect to make progress on the Ngati Tuwharetoa Ruakawa and Te Arawa River Iwi Waikato River Bill which will have its first reading. The expectation is that other bills on the Order Paper will be dealt with.
Business Statement 
Business Statement 
[Volume:665;Page:12603] 
Thursday 22 July 2010 
Mr Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Prayers 
. 
Business Statement 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (Leader of the House) 
: 
 When the House resumes on Tuesday 27 July priority will be given to the Committee stage of the Appropriation (2010/11 Estimates) Bill known as the estimates debate. Further in the week we would expect to make progress on the Ngati Tuwharetoa Ruakawa and Te Arawa River Iwi Waikato River Bill which will have its first reading. The expectation is that other bills on the Order Paper will be dealt with. 
Hon DARREN HUGHES (Senior Whip—Labour) 
: 
 I thank the Leader of the House for his update. I wonder whether there is any legislation resulting from the Government’s change of policy this week in respect of mining on schedule 4 lands. The Government announced that extra land would be included on schedule 4 of the Crown Minerals Act rather than being mined. Will that result in any amendments to that Act which is legislation that I know the Minister of Energy and Resources is all over. 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (Leader of the House) 
: 
 On the question of the latter I would expect some amendments to that Act to be introduced later in the year. On the question of the former work is proceeding.
Goudie Sandra: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Goudie Sandra: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:668;Page:14915] 
SANDRA GOUDIE (National—Coromandel) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Hayes John: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Hayes John: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:668;Page:14918] 
JOHN HAYES (National—Wairarapa) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Hayes John: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Hayes John: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:668;Page:14911] 
JOHN HAYES (National—Wairarapa) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Vote: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Vote: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:668;Page:14915] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 69 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; Maori Party 5; United Future 1. 
Noes 48 
New Zealand Labour 39; Green Party 8; Progressive 1. 
Motion agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Trevor Mallard to clause 51 be agreed to: 
to add the following subsection: 
(5)Despite section 4 if the Authority’s recommendation is to not grant an urgent application the Minister may not override that advice and grant the application.
Vote: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Vote: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:668;Page:14915] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 4 be agreed to. 
Ayes 69 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; Maori Party 5; United Future 1. 
Noes 48 
New Zealand Labour 39; Green Party 8; Progressive 1. 
Part 4 agreed to. 
The result corrected after originally being announced as Ayes 69 Noes 49.
Curran Clare: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Curran Clare: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:668;Page:14920] 
CLARE CURRAN (Labour—Dunedin South) 
: 
 With regard to Part 5 of the Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill which provides for the temporary process for licensing the sale and supply of liquor in the context of the particular hosting responsibilities related to the Rugby World Cup I would also like to mention what a number of my colleagues have talked about regarding the vessels the containers or the receptacles that contain the liquor. Although my colleague Trevor Mallard expressed his pickiness about the receptacles I would like to say I am not particularly picky about the receptacles in which the liquor is held; personally I am more picky about the liquor itself and the quality of that liquor. 
I think on a more serious note that this is an important issue. As my colleague Iain Lees-Galloway has pointed out a number of issues are associated with that as we know from past experience. Some of these issues I have witnessed myself where people have had liquor sold to them they became inebriated and they got into such a state of excitability that they used the receptacles as missiles. This is an important issue and it is certainly something that needs to be taken into account. 
I also note what my colleague Trevor Mallard said about the liquor issue being subject to a conscience vote and certainly that is important. The whole of New Zealand is having a lot of discussion at the moment on the wider issues of liquor and its effects on our society. 
I will comment about two particular aspects. One aspect is the venues which I do not think have been talked about very much—the kinds of venues in which liquor will be sold and for which licences will be sought to sell liquor during the Rugby World Cup. I make particular mention of some of the discussion that has been happening in Dunedin around where the rugby fans could be watching the games—and this is an issue not just in Dunedin but right around the country in centres where games are not being held. The issue is about the venues in which people will be watching games and for which liquor licences will be sought. There is quite an interesting discussion about the possibility that Dunedin rugby fans could be watching the Rugby World Cup final in 3-D on a big screen at the new Forsyth Barr Stadium in Dunedin from the comfort of a cinema seat. I note also that there is discussion about cinema lines around the country looking to screen some of the matches in cinemas. Members have to ask whether liquor will be sold in those venues. Presumably it will be. 
Progress reported. 
Report adopted.
Vote: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Vote: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:668;Page:14904] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 69 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; Maori Party 5; United Future 1. 
Noes 49 
New Zealand Labour 39; Green Party 9; Progressive 1. 
Motion agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendments in the name of the Hon Murray McCully be agreed to: 
to omit from clause 20(d) “19(4)” and substitute “19(2)(d)”; 
to omit from clause 32(1) “or if a hearing is not conducted under section 29” and substitute “(whether or not a hearing is conducted)”; 
to omit paragraph (a) from clause 32(3) and substitute: 
(a)in the case of an application which is not publicly notified— 
(i)not later than 5 working days after notice is given under section 2A(2); or 
(ii)not later than 10 working days after the end of a hearing if one is conducted; or; and 
to omit from clause 32(3)(b) “to which subsection (2) applies” and substitute “that is publicly notified”. 
Amendments agreed to. 
Part 3 as amended agreed to.
Vote: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Vote: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:668;Page:14888] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 69 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; Maori Party 5; United Future 1. 
Noes 51 
New Zealand Labour 41; Green Party 9; Progressive 1. 
Motion agreed to. 
Part 2 agreed to.
Dean Jacqui: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Dean Jacqui: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:668;Page:14899] 
JACQUI DEAN (National—Waitaki) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Hayes John: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Hayes John: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:668;Page:14888] 
JOHN HAYES (National—Wairarapa) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Tremain Chris: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Tremain Chris: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:668;Page:14904] 
CHRIS TREMAIN (Senior Whip—National) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Goodhew Jo: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Goodhew Jo: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:668;Page:14887] 
JO GOODHEW (Junior Whip—National) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Vote: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Vote: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:668;Page:14878] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 69 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; Maori Party 5; United Future 1. 
Noes 42 
New Zealand Labour 41; Progressive 1. 
Abstentions 9 
Green Party 9. 
Motion agreed to.
Mallard Trevor: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Mallard Trevor: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:668;Page:14876] 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. You have just called my colleague. You cannot interrupt his speech in order— 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy) 
: Let me make the point quite clear. I have not called the member. He made a bid for a call and I ruled it out completely. I have not at any stage in this debate given a call to that member. 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: I invite you to take some advice and review your decisions Mr Assistant Speaker because you did say that you would hear from Ian Lees-Galloway. He stood up he took the call and he was just starting when Chris Tremain interrupted him with a point of order. I am checking with my colleagues but I think I can give you an assurance that you gave the call to Ian Lees-Galloway. Once you have done that it is my view that you cannot rule the debate out of order at that point. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy) 
: The member is correct in that if I had given a call I had given a call to Ian Lees-Galloway.
Dean Jacqui: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Dean Jacqui: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:668;Page:14881] 
JACQUI DEAN (National—Waitaki) 
: 
 One has to wonder at Labour’s priorities when its members stand up in this Chamber and deliberately act as spoilers of the Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill. 
Jo Goodhew 
: It’s all they’ve got. 
JACQUI DEAN 
: Well I just think that it speaks volumes for the commitment of Labour members to the Rugby World Cup and I think probably it says that Trevor Mallard—who is no longer the Minister for the Rugby World Cup Labour having lost the Treasury benches—is throwing a bit of a tanty and doing all he can to spoil the progress of this bill. 
New Zealand wants the Rugby World Cup the Government is behind the Rugby World Cup and the New Zealand Rugby Union and all the sub-unions around the country are firmly in favour of this Rugby World Cup. Who is acting as the spoiler? Trevor Mallard and his band of little merry men are acting as spoilers for this legislation. I say “Shame on them—shame on them!”. 
There are a couple of points that I will pick up here. In terms of liquor licensing the amendment about liquor licensing that was indicated— 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Part 2. 
JACQUI DEAN 
: Oh thank you Mr Chair. Seeking to introduce new material into the debate after the select committee process—and I am referring directly to the provisions in Part 2—is contrary to whatever Labour members have said in the past about introducing new material and truncating the Committee process. Labour is merely trying to spoil this process. Trevor Mallard has his nose seriously out of joint because he is no longer the Minister for the Rugby World Cup and this is just his little tanty to try to slow down the Committee process. He is being aided and abetted in a shameful way by the members of the select committee who I understood when we met in consideration of Part 2 acted constructively all the way through the select committee process. In fact all the way through the consideration of Part 2 we had good robust debate when going through issues such as the membership of the authority which the member opposite has just stood up and decried. Well that is news to me because during the select committee process we had good discussions on that and general agreement— 
Jacinda Ardern 
: No we didn’t! 
JACQUI DEAN 
: I do not see any minority report being brought before the Committee in relation to any of the provisions in Part 2. Let us call this what it is: Labour members are filibustering they have their noses out of joint and they do not support the Rugby World Cup. I think that that is a terrible shame and an indictment on the Labour members of how low they are prepared to go to act as spoilers of what should be wonderful legislation to enable a wonderful marvellous Rugby World Cup event. I hope they come to their senses and start supporting this bill and supporting the spirit of this bill as does the Government.
Vote: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Vote: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:668;Page:14878] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That it be an instruction to the Committee on the Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill that it have the power to consider and if it thinks fit adopt typescript amendments to clause 72 in the name of Iain Lees-Galloway. 
Ayes 42 
New Zealand Labour 41; Progressive 1. 
Noes 69 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; Maori Party 5; United Future 1. 
Abstentions 9 
Green Party 9. 
Motion not agreed to. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy) 
: I said to the House that I would give a considered opinion on this matter. I have had time to reflect and to take advice. I also say that I have received a message from Speaker Smith who acknowledges that he was in error to allow these debates to take place. The ruling that I am about to give is: an instruction to empower the Committee to do something the Committee already has power to do is not in order. I will therefore entertain no further points of order or calls in relation to this matter.
Mallard Trevor: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Mallard Trevor: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:668;Page:14879] 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I move that it be an instruction to the Committee on the Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill that it have the power to consider and if it thinks fit adopt an amendment in my name that extends this bill in order to consider gaming matters not otherwise considered by the bill. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy) 
: You are out of order because a member can move only one instruction to the Committee. 
Chris Hipkins 
: Point of order. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy) 
: No I am not taking any more points of order on this matter. 
Chris Hipkins 
: Point of order. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy) 
: If the member wishes to raise a point of order in relation to Supplementary Order Papers he will leave the Chamber. The member will. 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: Point of order. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy) 
: The same applies to that member. 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I just want to get this absolutely clear. You are ruling that a member cannot take a point of order in order to move a matter in relation to a Supplementary Order Paper that you have not seen. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy) 
: That is correct.
Mallard Trevor: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Mallard Trevor: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:668;Page:14878] 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy) 
: Is this in relation to the ruling I have given? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: Yes it is. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy) 
: Well I have made a ruling. 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: I have heard you and I am taking a point of order Mr Assistant Speaker. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy) 
: I will hear the point of order but I caution the member that I have ruled on this matter. I am not going to entertain any discussion in relation to the subject matter. 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: I think there is a slight problem. I think there is a problem ruling points of order leading to motions as out of order when you have not yet heard whether those motions extend the bill. I think you are attempting to prejudge motions that members may be moving and prejudge Supplementary Order Papers that you have no knowledge of. You cannot know Mr Assistant Speaker that a motion to be moved is out of order. Once it is moved and once you have examined the particular Supplementary Order Paper to which it refers of course you have the right to do that. But for you to say Mr Assistant Speaker that something is automatically out of order before you have heard what is moved is in my view beyond—I know you are prescient but it does not go quite as far as that. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy) 
: I thank the member for his point of order. I say that in the two debates that we have had the members have absolutely been unable to convince me that they were extending or restricting the Supplementary Order Paper. I take that into consideration. The next point I make is that we have a process that has stood in this House since time immemorial and I have reinforced that process. I have not created or instigated it on this occasion; I have simply affirmed the process by which the House has taken place. If the member has a justifiable concern the appropriate place for that concern is at the Standing Orders Committee. As I say the process by which the House has taken place has served the House for some time. 
Hon Trevor Mallard 
: Point of order. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy) 
: I will hear the member but he should bear in mind that I have been extremely tolerant and that will diminish very quickly if members seek to challenge the ruling I have just given on consideration which I promised. I gave the members the opportunity to demonstrate that their Supplementary Order Papers were actually an extension or a limitation. I am now at the end of my patience.
Tremain Chris: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Tremain Chris: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:668;Page:14875] 
CHRIS TREMAIN (Senior Whip—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. We have been through this process and clearly it has been accepted on the Opposition’s side of the House that this is simply a filibustering technique. The amendments that have been tabled which the Opposition is asking to be debated are within scope as the member has admitted and therefore will be debated as part of the bill in the Committee stage. But these amendments should be ruled out of order and we should move on to the Committee stage. 
Iain Lees-Galloway 
: Mr Speaker— 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy) 
: I ask the member just to give me a moment. Members can observe that I have taken some advice on this. I am troubled by the fact that I have to apply Standing Order 172. I understand that these amendments are all within the scope of the bill and therefore the process that we are taking is now unnecessary. What I can do is put the motion to the House without debate.
Mallard Trevor: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Mallard Trevor: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:668;Page:14874] 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. Now this gets to something that I think is very serious—that is what happens when there is doubt in the Speaker’s mind as to his role. You have said— 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy) 
: Let me answer that point. 
Hon Trevor Mallard 
: No I have not finished— 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy) 
: Let me answer that quite clearly. There is an option: if the House is in any way displeased or has a question it has the right to recall the Speaker. 
Hon Trevor Mallard 
: No we don’t now— 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy) 
: The member will just listen; he will not interrupt me when I am giving a ruling on a point of order. When the House is in Committee if members who put an amendment or a Supplementary Order Paper on the Table feel that an inappropriate ruling has been given by the Chair it is the right of the Committee of the whole House to then call the Speaker back and the Committee can do that. I have given an assurance that there will be a ruling so that gives us some time to do that. It seems to me also that to ask the Speaker to rule on amendments that are not tabled in front of the Speaker is a totally inappropriate way to do business; it is for that reason amendments are tabled in the House. I therefore declare—
Tremain Chris: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Tremain Chris: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:668;Page:14874] 
CHRIS TREMAIN (Senior Whip—National) 
: 
 There is no modicum of doubt in that respect. This amendment is part of the scope of the bill. It is within Part 5 and can be debated there. The present debate is totally superfluous and is trifling with the House’s time. I ask Mr Assistant Speaker that you rule against these amendments. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy) 
: I think the member makes a point which I will pick up on. How can the Speaker possibly make a ruling when he has not been presented with the amendments or given the opportunity to give consideration to them in the same way a Chair would when amendments are tabled in the Committee of the whole House? For that reason since 1856 we have had a process by which the House in Committee makes these rulings. I understand that members have raised a serious point. I have given an assurance that these matters will be considered and that a finding will be brought back. For that reason I am ruling that I am not prepared to accept debate about instructions to the Committee in the manner in which that has been raised. I therefore declare the House—
Mallard Trevor: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Mallard Trevor: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:668;Page:14874] 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. In a way the ruling you have just given would have been fair for the previous amendment when there was debate about whether there was an extension or restriction. But there is no doubt in the case of this amendment. It is a question of whether it is within scope and my view is that this amendment is also probably within scope. There is no doubt whatsoever that this amendment extends the bill into an area that is not otherwise considered because it extends it to details of transportation options available near the premises. My firm view is that the amendment is within the broad scope of the bill but notwithstanding that it is within scope it is an extension from the point at which it currently sits. Again I hope that you will continue to seek advice on this amendment Mr Assistant Speaker because it is my firm opinion that it involves an extension. It goes into an area that although within the broad parameters of the bill is something that is not currently touched on. It is something that goes beyond what is in the Sale of Liquor Act because requirements on transportation are not part of that Act. But in this one having these transportation details—[ 
Interruption 
] 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy) 
: Order! 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: I am making very serious comment to you Mr Assistant Speaker. I accept that as the Speaker in the Chair you would automatically rule on the previous amendment but it is fair to say that within this amendment there is at least a modicum of doubt about the issue. I will repeat the comment I made before: it cannot be for a Speaker to rule on the role of a Chair unless by way of appeal; that would prejudice the right of the Opposition to then take things to the Speaker later.
Tremain Chris: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Tremain Chris: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:668;Page:14877] 
CHRIS TREMAIN (Senior Whip—National) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Vote: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Vote: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:668;Page:14873] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That it be an instruction to the Committee of the whole House on the Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill that it have the power to consider and if it thinks fit adopt typescript amendments to clause 51 in the name of the Hon Trevor Mallard. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand Labour 41; Green Party 9; Maori Party 5; Progressive 1. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Motion not agreed to.
Tremain Chris: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Tremain Chris: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:668;Page:14873] 
CHRIS TREMAIN (Senior Whip—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. Clearly the Opposition wants to put up another couple of amendments and go through the same charade that we have just been through. In speaking the Hon Trevor Mallard has acknowledged that he is doing this to filibuster. He has acknowledged that that is a tool that the Opposition has at its disposal. I bring it to your attention that this can be used only within the rules of the House and within the Standing Orders of the House. If the amendments that the member is seeking to have debated before we get into the Committee stage are in fact already to be debated and have been agreed to be in order then I think the process of going through the charade that we have just seen in the last 10 minutes is a complete waste of the House’s time and I think you should rule them out of order. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy) 
: Firstly I cannot prejudge what or what may not happen. I assure all members that I will assiduously enforce the rules of this House as laid down by both Speakers’ Rulings and the Standing Orders.
Mallard Trevor: Points of Order — Members’ Notices of Motion—Leave to Move 
Mallard Trevor: Points of Order — Members’ Notices of Motion—Leave to Move 
[Volume:668;Page:14856] 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I seek the leave of the House to move members’ notices of motion No. 1 in the name of Jo Goodhew right through to No. 64 in the name of Melissa Lee without debate. I do this because lots of them move congratulations from many local members to Commonwealth Games medal-winners. It would be very nice if the House agreed to do this without debate. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought for that course of action to be followed. Is there any objection? There is objection.
Smith Nick: General Debate 
Smith Nick: General Debate 
[Volume:668;Page:14859] 
Hon Dr NICK SMITH (Minister for the Environment) 
: 
 I seek leave to table a letter from the New Zealand Food and Grocery Council to me and the Minister for Regulatory Reform Rodney Hide dated 15 February entitled “Regulatory tsunami warning”. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to table that document. Is there any objection? There is no objection. 
Document by leave laid on the Table of the House. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Before I call the next speaker I apologise to the honourable member Chris Tremain for my not having heard the matter he objected to and doubting his point of order. I apologise to him.
Tremain Chris: General Debate 
Tremain Chris: General Debate 
[Volume:668;Page:14858] 
CHRIS TREMAIN (Senior Whip—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I did not rise to my feet during the middle of that speech out of courtesy to the Minister but throughout that speech and especially towards the end of it the former Minister across the House the Hon Trevor Mallard was shouting out repeatedly: “Liar liar liar.” It is unacceptable in this House and I expect the Hon Trevor Mallard to withdraw and apologise. 
Hon Trevor Mallard 
: Speaking to the point of order— 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I do not think that I need to hear further on the matter. In fact he was not interjecting that. I was listening very carefully. I was not so happy with his interjections but he was disputing what the Minister was saying. He definitely did not call the Minister a liar; he did not use the word “liar”. I listened very carefully to the interjections. But it is not helpful to the good order of the House to use that kind of language when interjecting. Neither is it to the good order of the House to use a member’s last name which the member was also interjecting further with. I ask members to be a bit more reasonable. Had the member interjected what Chris Tremain suggested then I would definitely ask the member to withdraw and apologise but he did not actually say that.
Mallard Trevor: General Debate 
Mallard Trevor: General Debate 
[Volume:668;Page:14859] 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I did. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I ask— 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: No before you do I say that the Standing Orders are very clear that members are required to take points of order on these matters at the time they occur and no member did. 
Hon Rodney Hide 
: Speaking to the point of order— 
Mr SPEAKER 
: No I do not need further help on this. Members do not want to disrupt speeches but that is no excuse. If the member actually called the Minister a liar—I did not hear it—I ask the member to withdraw and apologise. 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: I withdraw and apologise. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I thank the honourable member.
Hide Rodney: General Debate 
Hide Rodney: General Debate 
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Hon RODNEY HIDE (Leader—ACT) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. You are right in part but at the end of that speech Trevor Mallard called out: “He’s a liar.” When Chris Tremain was making his point Annette King nodded her head. I certainly heard Trevor Mallard say that the Minister is a liar. I think you should ask Trevor Mallard whether that is what he said. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: If members have taken objection I will ask the honourable member. I did not hear him say that. I heard him say “It’s a lie what the Minister is saying.” but I did not hear him call the Minister a liar. I say to the honourable member—
Sio Su'a William: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Sio Su'a William: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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12. 
SU’A WILLIAM SIO (Labour—Mangere) 
 to the  
Minister of Education 
: Does she stand by her ministry’s decision to stop publishing the five Pacific language resource Tupu series and the Samoan language  
Folauga 
 journals that are used by 33 Pacific bilingual units to provide bilingual education to about 1300 primary students throughout New Zealand? 
Hon ANNE TOLLEY (Minister of Education) 
: 
 The Ministry of Education has not decided to stop publishing the Tupu and  
Folauga 
 series. However it is reviewing whether these are the most effective resources to support Pasifika education. This is in light of the fact that Pasifika students’ literacy levels are consistently and significantly lower than those for other groups. Schools will continue to receive new titles from the Tupu and  
Folauga 
 series in 2010. In addition a new series of Pasifika language learning story books have been developed to support the five Pasifika languages curriculum. These will be distributed to schools starting in November and going through to 2011. 
Su’a William Sio 
: What evidence does the Minister rely on when in her own words “It has been decided to pause Tupu as it does not align with the ministry priority outcomes of every child achieving literacy and numeracy levels that enable their success.”? 
Hon ANNE TOLLEY 
: As I said in answer to the primary question in fact the evidence that the ministry is relying on to review these series is the fact that Pasifika students’ literacy levels are consistently and significantly lower than those of other groups. 
Su’a William Sio 
: If the Minister has rejected research recommendations that New Zealand use Pacific bilingual education to raise Pacific students’ academic achievements in schools how does she intend to meet the related objectives of strong identity self-confidence and parental aspirations or is she not concerned that Pacific people in New Zealand are on a course to lose their first languages for ever? 
Hon ANNE TOLLEY 
: I totally reject the assertions made in that question. I say to that member that the ministry will continue to provide language guidelines resources and professional development for teachers to support the teaching of five Pasifika languages as part of the action from the  
Pasifika Education Plan 2009-2012 
. The Pasifika languages are an integral part of the learning of languages area of the New Zealand curriculum. These resources also support the preservation and maintenance of Pasifika languages. In addition there are a significant number of Tupu and  
Folauga 
 books available online. 
Su’a William Sio 
: I seek leave to table a letter signed by the Minister dated 7 October and addressed to Joanne Okesene in which she states that the Tupu series which supports language learning is to be paused. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to table that document. Is there any objection? There is no objection. 
Document by leave laid on the Table of the House.
King Annette: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
King Annette: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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5. 
Hon ANNETTE KING (Deputy Leader—Labour) 
 to the  
Minister for Social Development and Employment 
: What action if any has the Government taken to reduce child poverty in New Zealand? 
Hon JUDITH COLLINS (Acting Minister of Social Development and Employment) 
: 
 Apart from the great economic work being achieved by this Government’s robust fiscal policies the Ministry of Social Development has done a great deal to help children and families in these tough economic conditions including the Job Support Scheme ReStart payments Job Ops Community Max Break Away programmes and the highly successful Community Response Fund. In addition we have increased the abatement rate for the domestic purposes benefit and the invalids benefit so people can earn more while still receiving the benefit. 
Hon Annette King 
: Has the Government made a commitment to end child poverty in New Zealand; if so what timetable has been set to achieve it? 
Hon JUDITH COLLINS 
: It would be great to be able to say that we could end child poverty in New Zealand. Certainly the previous Government had 9 years to do it and the best economic times to do it but never achieved it. 
Hon Annette King 
: Will she support the Every Child Counts call to establish a cross-party group to address child poverty and will she seek to convince the Prime Minister that it should be established given that he dismissed the idea when I raised it with him in November last year? 
Hon JUDITH COLLINS 
: No. 
Hon Annette King 
: Has she seen the report from the Child Poverty Action Group which states that before the election National made political capital out of a so-called underclass in New Zealand but since the election child poverty has become invisible; and has she argued in Cabinet for priority to be given to end child poverty in this country—a country that can afford millions for a building to have a party in yet children have to wait? 
Hon JUDITH COLLINS 
: I have not seen the report from the Child Poverty Action Group. I can however say that under the very best economic times that the previous Labour Government inherited it was not able to end child poverty. We have inherited a recession and we are doing a fantastic job. 
Hon Annette King 
: Does she agree with the Prime Minister’s Chief Science Adviser Professor Peter Gluckman who said that the Government is putting the money in the wrong end that investing in troubled teens is often too late and that the first 6 years of life are critical; will she ensure that funding is provided to reduce child poverty even if she will not commit to ending it—reduce it as happened under the previous Government—and will she commit to reducing it in the next Budget? 
Hon JUDITH COLLINS 
: The best way out of poverty for families is work—[ 
Interruption 
] Well I know that that might be a four-letter word for Labour members but it is not for this side. I agree with the Children’s Commissioner who said that work is a road to salvation.
Goudie Sandra: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Goudie Sandra: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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6. 
SANDRA GOUDIE (National—Coromandel) 
 to the  
Minister of Corrections 
: What reports has she received on initiatives to improve the safety of prison staff? 
Hon JUDITH COLLINS (Minister of Corrections) 
: 
 The safety of Department of Corrections officers is one of our top priorities and I am very pleased to report that the department has delivered an intensive 3-day training course in advanced tactical communication and de-escalation techniques to its entire front-line staff of 4000. This was delivered via an impressive 12500 training days across the country. The training allows officers to effectively talk down an escalating or potentially dangerous situation. I expect that this will result in fewer officers being hurt in the line of duty. I have been told that the training has already led to many tense situations being resolved without the prisoner involved resorting to violence. 
Sandra Goudie 
: What other steps have been taken to protect front-line corrections staff? 
Hon JUDITH COLLINS 
: Prison staff have already been provided with new protective equipment for use in dangerous situations. This includes stab-proof vests spit hoods and batons. The department is now starting a 12-month trial of pepper spray with a view to adding this tool to the range of safety equipment available to front-line staff. I am also delighted that our Government is introducing legislation to make offending against a Department of Corrections officer or a police officer an aggravating factor in sentencing.
Vote: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Vote: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 53 
New Zealand Labour 39; Green Party 8; Maori Party 5; Progressive 1. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to.
Points of Order — Members’ Notices of Motion—Leave to Move 
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Points of Order 
Members’ Notices of Motion—Leave to Move 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I seek the leave of the House to move members’ notices of motion No. 1 in the name of Jo Goodhew right through to No. 64 in the name of Melissa Lee without debate. I do this because lots of them move congratulations from many local members to Commonwealth Games medal-winners. It would be very nice if the House agreed to do this without debate. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought for that course of action to be followed. Is there any objection? There is objection.
Lees-Galloway Iain: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Lees-Galloway Iain: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
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IAIN LEES-GALLOWAY (Labour—Palmerston North) 
: 
 I move  
That it be an instruction to the Committee on the Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill that it have the power to consider and if it thinks fit adopt typescript amendments to clause 72 in the name of Iain Lees-Galloway.  
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy) 
: I have said that I will bring a ruling to the House. I realise that members want to progress this matter now but the case really has to be made for an extension of or change in the restriction to a motion and the rules are quite clear. Although the member earlier said that it is not for the Speaker to give an instruction to the Chair the rules are quite clear about whether there is an extension or limitation. I cannot see where that occurs so I have said that I will bring a ruling back to the House on this matter.
Vote: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Vote: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 69 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; Maori Party 5; United Future 1. 
Noes 51 
New Zealand Labour 41; Green Party 9; Progressive 1. 
Motion agreed to.
Tremain Chris: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Tremain Chris: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
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CHRIS TREMAIN (Senior Whip—National) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy) 
: I will accept the closure for this reason: I think it is a novel approach and an interesting one that the Hon Trevor Mallard has promoted. I know I do not have to give a reason why I have accepted it. I will bring back a considered opinion. I do not believe the honourable member in his speech proved the case that this did extend or restrict so the question is that the question be now put.
Mallard Trevor: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Mallard Trevor: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
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Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I move that it be an instruction to the Committee on the Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill that it have the power to consider and if it thinks fit adopt the typescript amendment to amend Subpart 3 by adding new clause 72(1)(a)(iii) set out in the name of Iain Lees-Galloway. 
Mr Speaker— 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy) 
: No I have indicated to the member that I will bring back a ruling on these matters. Although the member did raise at an earlier time that it is not for the Speaker to give an instruction or to presume what the Committee as a whole may or may not do with amendments before the House there is also—and I commented on this earlier—a well laid-out set of rules that we abide by both in Speakers’ rulings 
and in the Standing Orders. It is those same rulings that the presiding officer of the House will judge any amendment on at the time. Therefore I am not prepared to accept the motion that the member was about to move. 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I am in a very difficult position because we now have a Speaker ruling differently from the senior Speaker who ruled on the very same issue about 20 minutes ago. Mr Assistant Speaker Roy you know that I have considerable respect for you and for your integrity. Certainly there is no doubt that you as Speaker—because you are sitting in the Chair as Speaker—have the ability to make rulings as has Mr Speaker. So I am not debating your ability to do that; the question I ask is whether precedent applies in this House and whether precedents set by a Speaker on consideration not 20 minutes ago— 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy) 
: Let me truncate this somewhat: the member is out of order because  
Parliamentary Practice in New Zealand 
 by David McGee page 369 states: “A member may move only one instruction in relation to the same bill.” 
Therefore I declare the House in Committee for the Rugby World Cup—
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Mallard Trevor: Rugby World Cup 2011 (Empowering) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
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Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I think you have missed the point. We are not asking you as Speaker to rule on amendments; we are asking the House to make a decision. It is the right of members to ask the House to make a decision. I am not asking you as Speaker to rule something in or out. That is something for the Chairman to do. What I am asking the House to do and what my colleague is asking the House to do is for the House to make a decision. One of the rights of the Opposition is to put motions that are within the Standing Orders. I do not think you have argued that these amendments are not within the Standing Orders. I think they are—in fact the Speaker Dr The Rt Hon Lockwood Smith has accepted one amendment. You have had another come before you Mr Assistant Speaker and you have quite rightly ruled. I was not aware of the McGee ruling on the ability to move only one instruction to the Committee but my colleague then moved another instruction. No one is asking you as Speaker to rule on these amendments. In fact it is my view that you cannot unless these are clearly— 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Eric Roy) 
: Let me respond to that because I am bound to apply the Standing Orders. Standing Order 172(1) states: “An instruction may be given to a committee of the whole House extending or restricting its powers …”. So I have to rule whether the debate is in order because that will either extend or restrict the powers of the amendment. That is what I have to rule on so in effect I have to rule on the amendment. In that respect and as a way forward the member is saying that the House should be able to vote on that. My thought perhaps—because as Speaker I should take a ruling—is that I will apply the same procedure that I applied in the first instance so on this occasion I will accept that procedure on this amendment which is that the member can take a call. 
Iain Lees-Galloway 
: Mr Speaker—