Delahunty CatherineCATHERINE DELAHUNTY (Green): I just want to pick up on the point that my colleague Chris Hipkins has just raised and that the Chairperson has just referred to which was that the process was far from ideal and that is why we do need to discuss the Supplementary Order Papers (SOPs) that relate to it. I think that it is very important to recognise that sector representatives were very upset that they were not going to have the chance to input on this point. There was a considerable struggle to get them heard and there was a very very short time frame. It was far from ideal. The whole issue around Teach First or similar programmes is innovative on one level but it also has some complexities so it does need to be looked at and scrutinised by the education sector because it bears the brunt of the application of it. I am supporting SOP 214 which Tracey Martin has written which is an amendment to clause 13E because what it does is replace the word school" with "secondary school" in each place. This Supplementary Order Paper actually amends new section 91O "to provide that employment-based trainee teachers may only be employed to teach in secondary schools." The Green Party is supporting that because as others have said there is no research or evidence to say that this kind of untrained or partially-trained or "in-training" person with these kinds of broader opportunities and powers is safe in the primary school medium. I myself have doubts about the idea that it is great at all secondary schools as well. It is obviously not in all schools and it has been useful in some ways but to me it is more about the failure to have any workplace planning. The "in-training" has been leapt upon by some schools because they do not have sufficient teachers and that is because we are not planning we are not attracting we are not actually thinking ahead or as leaders in this Parliament making sure that we have got enough teachers attracted to the profession and trained to do the jobs that they need to do. This is what happens when you leave it all to free will the market and the mantra of choice: you end up with a whole lot of messy random situations which get patched up. This is a patch-up job. Teach First may be inspiring for some kids in some circumstances but really if I was a trainee teacher who paid for a 3-year degree I would be quite resentful about somebody else coming in and being able to do that. That is about the fact that educational learning requires some depth. I am particularly passionate about children with learning differences and just being passionate and having been to university and being trained on the job does not assist you. We have enough trouble with teachers who have had 3 years' training let alone those who have not had that in certain fields in the school. So this bill and this particular part is of concern to me because I do not think that the case is proven. I do think that Tracey Martin's SOP is valuable because it protects the group of younger students. So if that is all we can achieve I am supporting it—it is not ideal but it is worth supporting them. I also want to support Chris Hipkins' SOP 219 which deletes subpart 7 of Part 1 "removing the proposed ability for tertiary institutions to sponsor partnership schools." I would like to support the speech that we heard from Meka Whaitiri. Kura kaupapa would love to have the resources that could go to tertiary institutions to run charter schools and that go to other institutions that are setting up. Kura kaupapa would love to have those things—they do not. One of the reasons why some people told me that they were looking at charter schools was that they could not get sufficient funding for their kura. Talk about flaky—you take an idea that is awesome that works and that upholds culture and then you underfund it and you come up with another idea which is basically a privatisation model and shoehorn it into a situation that provides privilege. Of course people are going to want more money. They need more money to run these schools. It is very very challenging. In terms of these issues I would also like to comment on the fact that we now have this authorisation board the advisory board. It seems quite difficult to get the quality of applicants required to run a school. Actually it is difficult. Schools are complex organisations. They require a sophisticated understanding of the community and of education. So randomly saying "I did not like the local school; I think I will start up a new one." has been shown around the world to have not worked very well at all and we have already had those examples. I am supporting the Supplementary Order Papers that will actually rein this in because we do not have the ability under this bill to stop this but we can rein it in."