Williams ArenaARENA WILLIAMS (Labour—Manurewa): Madam Chair thank you for the opportunity to take my first call in this debate. I do have a few but I want to traverse four questions in this call because I'm not confident of getting more calls with my very active spokespeople beside me who have got a number of amendments that have not yet been spoken to.My question is about the amendments to the Search and Surveillance Act. But before I get on to that I want to congratulate the Minister on her elevation to the role. We were colleagues on the Justice Committee that shepherded through the legislation the first time in 2021. That was a regime to introduce firearm prohibition orders. When in fact the previous National Government had not chosen to do so but had considered it Labour instigated that move. And now as my colleague Ginny Andersen has introduced the new section 18AA amendments that the select committee have introduced bring it back to something that's more similar to the Justice Committee in the last Parliament's work on the firearms prohibition order (FPO) regime that Labour introduced.So the question that I have and I'll tease out over these four different parts is we support on these benches law in this area which makes New Zealanders safer. I know that the Minister does too because I have sat around the committee table where it's been her expertise that have—she was able to come to that select committee room and raise a number of issues which were taken into account in that regime and we reported back to this House on. So I want to ask her if we are moving to a situation which is more similar to Labour's amendments to section 18 of the Arms Act do these amendments in her view make New Zealanders safer? I think they do but the Minister's criticism—and this has been published as soon as two days ago on One News I believe it was—she made the comments that Labour's regime did not make New Zealanders safer. I want her to explain why now with these amendments new section 18AA will make New Zealanders safer.I also want to ask her about her criticisms at the time of the 2021 regime about the way that the search powers given affect to in 18AA will affect legitimate gun owners. This is a new item here because what I want the Minister to give us a sense of is there were some very real concerns in 2021 about how legitimate gun owners might be subject to a warrantless search. I think the example that the Minister gave at the time was a father who is a legitimate gun owner invites his daughter and his son-in-law around for dinner and the son-in-law is subject to an FPO. In that situation I don't think it would be reasonable and we on this side of the House don't think it would be reasonable for a legitimate gun owner's guns to be searched and then their entire property to be searched. Imagine that over a Sunday family dinner especially if you're the daughter and you're introducing your new boyfriend to your parents for the first time. That is an incredibly invasive situation and it is an invasive situation for legitimate gun owners who do deserve protection under this bill. So I want to ask her the advice that she's had and the moves that she has made because she is an expert in this area to protect the rights of legitimate gun owners in this situation that section 18AA has introduced and has subjected them to.The two other questions that I have are about necessary changes to two different Acts. Because this 18AA introduces a new power into the Search and Surveillance Act. I want to ask the Minister whether the Intelligence and Security Act and the Privacy Act were part of her considerations and whether subsequent amendments were considered to those. The Intelligence and Security Act was something that around the same time this was introduced in 2021 Labour Ministers of the time also considered changes to and the Justice Committee of the time considered at once things like police protection orders which might have been what my colleague the Hon Duncan Webb was referring to there because they are an important part of this regime were also considered at the time. So it's relevant because when you have overlapping powers of a Government a State whatever department it's so exercising its powers through reaching into the lives of individuals and many of these individuals will not have committed any crime will never have contemplated committing any crime what are the powers that are engaged in the Intelligence and Security Act in the situation where 18AA changes the rules for police to do so and is it necessary for the intelligence framework to take that into account?The next question is about the Privacy Act. In 2021 the Privacy Commissioner—[Time expired] Madam Chair?CHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger): Really quickly—not a full call.ARENA WILLIAMS: Thank you Madam Chair. In 2021 the Privacy Act was something the committee considered really carefully and amendments were considered around whether new powers for say a Privacy Commissioner or a reporting body might be required in a situation where you've got again people who have never committed a crime never contemplated committing a crime their privacy is being breached in this way. And I wanted to ask you specifically two questions which the committee that we were on considered. How will private information that has been obtained wrongfully by police when they are engaging their powers that are new under section 18AA be dealt with? That's private information. How will the agencies hold that? What uses will it be put to and at what point will it be deleted? But then I also want her to consider legitimately discovered information. That's information which is discovered in the process which is completely compliant with 18AA how will private information of individuals be treated in that situation? So I thank the Minister. I have some more questions but accept she's got plenty to answer.