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Dean Jacqui: South Taranaki District Council (Cold Creek Rural Water Supply) Bill — Third Reading 
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JACQUI DEAN (National—Waitaki) 
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 I am very proud to rise and support my colleague Chester Borrows in this third reading of the bill that the Hon Chester Borrows has brought to the House the South Taranaki District Council (Cold Creek Rural Water Supply) Bill. It is interesting is it not that once again Labour members feel they have to oppose this bill? They are really not quite sure why they have to oppose it but they feel they have to oppose it. I think that is a shame because I would have thought they would support the promotion of anything that enables good productive farming wherever it is in New Zealand. Whether it is in Opunake or whether it is in Ranfurly it does not really matter. 
Todd McClay 
: What about Rotorua? 
JACQUI DEAN 
: Even Rotorua—yes Rotorua. This bill is about enabling the local authority to take the necessary steps so that the committee of the Cold Creek rural water supply can take over the ownership of its rural water supply which not only provides water for agriculture but also has elements of town supply as well. It is a pretty small water supply. I have not got the figure right to hand but there are something like 220—forgive me if I have not got it quite right—subscribers to this rural water scheme. 
It was put in back in the day in much the same way that a number of rural water schemes were put in in my area of New Zealand in North Otago South Canterbury and Central Otago. What happened was that groups of farmers got together and identified that there was a water source out of the local stream or perhaps aquifer. They got into the tractors they got their shovels out and they laid the pipe and put in the infrastructure. 
In the Cold Creek case it was a fifty-fifty subsidy from the then Government of the day that enabled it to happen but effectively from around the year 2002 the water committee has run the Cold Creek water supply as an entity and has been doing it very well. It now wishes for reasons that it explained to the Local Government and Environment Committee to transfer the assets of the scheme to the company and away from the local authority. That is where members across the House have a problem because they cannot see and do not understand how those farmers who put in the rural water scheme who are maintaining it and who are therefore providing employment and prosperity to their region could possibly own the rural water scheme. Well we on this side of the House and Chester Borrows can so this bill will bring that into effect. 
In this third reading of the South Taranaki District Council (Cold Creek Rural Water Supply) Bill I want to acknowledge the work not only of Chester Borrows but also of Nicky Wagner chair of the Local Government and Environment Committee and all members of the committee. I think we have produced a good bill and I commend it to the House.
Vote: Debate on Budget Policy Statement 
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Vote: Debate on Budget Policy Statement 
[Sitting date: 13 March 2013. Volume:688;Page:8497. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the House take note of the report of the Finance and Expenditure Committee on the Budget Policy Statement 2013. 
Ayes 63 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Mana 1; Independent: Horan. 
Motion agreed to.
Blue Jackie: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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11. 
Dr JACKIE BLUE (National) 
 to the  
Associate Minister of Health 
: What progress has been made in reducing infections in intensive care units? 
Hon JO GOODHEW (Associate Minister of Health) 
: 
 In 2011 about four to six patients per month in New Zealand intensive care units developed a bloodstream infection called central line associated bacteraemia or CLAB. The rate of this type of infection has now reduced to between zero and two patients per month. 
Dr Jackie Blue 
: Why is it important to reduce this type of infection? 
Hon JO GOODHEW 
: People who develop this type of infection are very ill have to stay in hospital longer and have more medical complications. In addition to the personal consequences for patients and their families each case of CLAB costs about $20000. Reducing infection rates means this funding is able to be spent by district health boards in other areas of health care. 
Dr Jackie Blue 
: How has this progress been achieved? 
Hon JO GOODHEW 
: Since October 2011 the Health Quality and Safety Commission has been running a national project to reduce the number of these infections focusing on compliance with best practice and improving data collection. Clinical leadership within district health boards and at regional level has been vital and I thank clinicians for their increased focus on preventing these infections. This successful project is now planned to be extended to other clinical areas.
O'Connor Simon: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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O'Connor Simon: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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6. 
SIMON O’CONNOR (National—Tamaki) 
 to the  
Minister for Tertiary Education Skills and Employment 
: What progress has been made with the Government’s Apprenticeship Re-boot? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE (Minister for Tertiary Education Skills and Employment) 
: 
 In late January the Government announced a raft of changes to simplify and strengthen industry training to ensure more New Zealanders have the skills and qualifications they need to set them up for their working lives. To lift the participation in apprenticeships we set up the apprenticeship reboot initiative which will provide the first 10000 new apprentices to enrol a grant of $1000 towards their tools and off-job costs or $2000 if they are in priority trades. Employers receive an identical payment for each new apprentice they take on. The apprenticeship reboot initiative was due to start next month on 1 April but due to its popularity with employers and with industry training organisations I am very pleased to announce that it has been brought forward a month and is now under way. 
Simon O’Connor 
: What reports has he seen on the reboot’s popularity? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE 
: Well of course it is very early days and official numbers are still being collated. I can report that in just 1 week since the reboot initiative was brought forward to last Wednesday approximately 350 young people have signed on as apprentices in the building and construction sectors while around 60 have signed up already in specialist trades such as plumbing drainlaying roofing scaffolding and rigging. These enrolments are in key trade sectors that will support increased demand in Canterbury and Auckland. Although we expected the first 10000 reboot places eligible to be available for 18 months I have now seen reports that 10000 could sign on within 12 months. That is very good news for industry training young people and employers.
Flavell Te Ururoa: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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8. 
TE URUROA FLAVELL (Maori Party—Waiariki) 
 to the  
Minister of Internal Affairs 
: Does he intend to take any action about the failure of SkyCity Auckland to prevent access to the casino by people with gambling problems as recently reported in the media? 
Hon CHRIS TREMAIN (Minister of Internal Affairs) 
: 
 Action is constantly being taken to ensure casinos’ harm minimisation obligations are met and are being updated. The Gambling Commission is already reviewing the Host Responsibility programme in place at Skycity to ensure that it continues to be enhanced. The Department of Internal Affairs is also looking into the issue to see whether any further action needs to be taken. 
Te Ururoa Flavell 
: Does the Minister believe that it is consistent with their responsibilities to prevent problem gambling for the holder of a casino licence to encourage the return of high-spending customers by the use of incentives such as free parking free meals free drinks free hotel stays and free tickets to sponsored sporting events as described in the  
New Zealand Herald  
article yesterday? 
Hon CHRIS TREMAIN 
: I acknowledge that like many businesses in New Zealand Skycity makes use of incentive programmes. These incentives are weighed up by Skycity to ensure consistency with its Host Responsibility obligations. The Gambling Commission is reviewing its current Host Responsibility programme and my expectation is that the review will identify and resolve any issues at Skycity. 
Te Ururoa Flavell 
: Does the Minister think that any of those incentives are in fact free or does he think that they are in reality a shrewd marketing investment by Skycity to encourage gamblers who have already lost a lot of money to lose even more? 
Hon CHRIS TREMAIN 
: I acknowledge that there is a financial cost to these incentive programmes just as in many other businesses across this country that provide incentive programmes to their customers. But casinos’ Host Responsibility programmes include sections on responsible marketing and harm minimisation issues are addressed by Skycity as it develops its marketing campaigns.
Turei Metiria: Motions — United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child—20th Anniversary of Ratification 
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Turei Metiria: Motions — United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child—20th Anniversary of Ratification 
[Sitting date: 13 March 2013. Volume:688;Page:8461. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
METIRIA TUREI (Co-Leader—Green) 
: 
 I seek leave to move a motion without notice and without debate noting the 20th anniversary of New Zealand ratifying the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought for that course of action. Is there any objection? There appears to be none. 
METIRIA TUREI 
: I move  
That this House note that today is the 20th anniversary of New Zealand ratifying the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child that it is the most well-supported human rights treaty in history that it committed this country to consider the best interests of the child in all activities and make children’s rights known as a priority and that the House recognises children as full citizens of our nation deserving of our most ardent attention to make the world fit for them to inherit. 
Motion agreed to.
McKelvie Ian: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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3. 
IAN McKELVIE (National—Rangitikei) 
 to the  
Minister of Police 
: What trends have been seen by Police since laws were changed in 2009 to combat illegal street racing? 
Hon ANNE TOLLEY (Minister of Police) 
: 
 In 2009 we introduced new laws to crack down on illegal street racing and send a strong message that the dangerous behaviour of boy racers will not be tolerated. Between 2009 and 2012 the number of infringement notices issued by police for illegal street racing fell by 35 percent. Over the same period the number of 15 to 24-year-olds killed on our roads fell by over 38 percent. 
Ian McKelvie 
: What changes were made in 2009 to deter illegal street racing? 
Hon ANNE TOLLEY 
: The 2009 law changes gave courts the power to seize and destroy the cars of repeat offenders allowed councils to outlaw boy racers cruising the streets and made it easier to impound vehicles caught racing. Of the 8765 offences since 2009 only 172 offenders are on two strikes. This shows that these law changes are having a strong deterrent effect and are reducing reoffending. But the number of young lives lost on the roads is still too high. Police will be continuing their crackdown and boy racers should be warned that if they do not change their behaviour they will be dealt with by the police.
Carter David: List Member Vacancy 
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Carter David: List Member Vacancy 
[Sitting date: 13 March 2013. Volume:688;Page:8461. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I have been advised by the Chief Electoral Officer pursuant to section 137 of the Electoral Act 1993 that Carol Ann Beaumont has been declared to be elected as a member of the House of Representatives in place of Charles Pierre Chauvel. I understand that Carol Ann Beaumont is present and wishes to make the affirmation. Would she please come forward to the chair on my right.
Event: Members Sworn 
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Members Sworn 
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Carol Beaumont was presented to the Speaker made the affirmation required by law and took her seat in the House.
Members Sworn 
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Members Sworn 
Carol Beaumont was presented to the Speaker made the affirmation required by law and took her seat in the House.
Twyford Phil: South Taranaki District Council (Cold Creek Rural Water Supply) Bill — Third Reading 
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[Sitting date: 13 March 2013. Volume:688;Page:8508. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
PHIL TWYFORD (Labour—Te Atatu) 
: 
 I want to make just a few brief comments really about the Cold Creek rural water supply which this bill the South Taranaki District Council (Cold Creek Rural Water Supply) Bill is dealing with. The Cold Creek scheme is up on the south-western slopes of Mount Taranaki. It serves an area of about 7600 hectares between Kaponga and Opunake. It was built between 1984 and 1987 by Egmont County Council with a 50 percent Government subsidy and the farmer users of the scheme paying the other half. It serves 162 dairy farms two marae and 530 resident consumers. The main use is for dairy farm wash-down and trough supply and it is all gravity-fed apparently. 
Well listeners will know that Labour is supporting the bill and I wanted to just comment again really on the position that the Green Party has taken on this bill. It reminds me very much of a recent debate we had I think on the last members’ day about Jacqui Dean’s bill which transferred land in Oamaru or clarified the ownership of some land in Oamaru. In that debate the Green Party registered its opposition to the bill on the basis that the quality of the consultation by the Waitaki District Council was inadequate. I do not dispute the sincerity of the view or even the opinion that the consultation carried out by the council was inadequate but I do question whether that is a logical and valid basis for an objection to this bill. If you believe in local democracy and if you stand for the ability of local communities to exercise their rights within the law then I do not believe that that objection—the one that we heard from the Green Party member David Clendon—is a logical and valid basis upon which to oppose this bill. 
Possibly there are other bases for objecting to this bill but I do not believe that that is one of them and I do not believe that it is consistent with the position we have heard from the Green Party and many other members in this House about the rights of local communities within the law to look after their resources and make decisions about their own affairs. That is all I will say. Labour is supporting this bill at the third reading.
Vote: South Taranaki District Council (Cold Creek Rural Water Supply) Bill — Third Reading 
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Vote: South Taranaki District Council (Cold Creek Rural Water Supply) Bill — Third Reading 
[Sitting date: 13 March 2013. Volume:688;Page:8510. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the South Taranaki District Council (Cold Creek Rural Water Supply) Bill be now read a third time. 
Ayes 96 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 34; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1; Independent: Horan. 
Noes 24 
Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Maori Party 2; Mana 1. 
Bill read a third time.
Motions — United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child—20th Anniversary of Ratification 
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Motions 
United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child—20th Anniversary of Ratification 
METIRIA TUREI (Co-Leader—Green) 
: 
 I seek leave to move a motion without notice and without debate noting the 20th anniversary of New Zealand ratifying the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought for that course of action. Is there any objection? There appears to be none. 
METIRIA TUREI 
: I move  
That this House note that today is the 20th anniversary of New Zealand ratifying the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child that it is the most well-supported human rights treaty in history that it committed this country to consider the best interests of the child in all activities and make children’s rights known as a priority and that the House recognises children as full citizens of our nation deserving of our most ardent attention to make the world fit for them to inherit. 
Motion agreed to.
Vote: Marriage (Definition of Marriage) Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
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Vote: Marriage (Definition of Marriage) Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
[Sitting date: 13 March 2013. Volume:688;Page:8544. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A personal vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to.  
Ayes 33 
Bakshi 
Lole-Taylor 
Peters (P) 
Tremain (P) 
Barry 
Lotu-Iiga 
Prosser 
Williams 
Bennett D 
Macindoe 
Robertson R 
Williamson (P) 
Brownlee 
Martin (P) 
Roy (P) 
Yang 
Coleman 
McClay 
Sabin 
Young (P) 
Gilmore 
McKelvie 
Simpson 
Goldsmith 
Mitchell 
Sio 
Hayes (P) 
Ngaro 
Stewart 
Teller 
Lee 
O’Rourke 
Tolley (P) 
Upston 
Noes 85 
Adams (P) 
Dunne 
Jones (P) 
Ryall 
Ardern J 
Dyson 
Joyce (P) 
Sage 
Ardern S (P) 
English (P) 
Kaye 
Shanks (P) 
Auchinvole 
Faafoi 
Key (P) 
Sharples (P) 
Banks 
Fenton 
King A 
Shearer 
Beaumont 
Finlayson (P) 
King C 
Smith (P) 
Bennett P (P) 
Flavell 
Lees-Galloway 
Street 
Blue (P) 
Foss (P) 
Little 
Tirikatene 
Borrows 
Genter 
Logie 
Tisch (P) 
Bridges (P) 
Goff 
Mackey (P) 
Turei 
Browning 
Goodhew 
Mahuta (P) 
Turia (P) 
Calder 
Graham 
Mathers 
Twyford (P) 
Carter (P) 
Guy (P) 
McCully (P) 
Wagner 
Clark 
Hague 
Moroney 
Walker 
Clendon 
Harawira (P) 
Norman (P) 
Wall 
Collins (P) 
Heatley 
O’Connor D (P) 
Wilkinson 
Cosgrove (P) 
Henare 
O’Connor S 
Woodhouse (P) 
Cunliffe 
Hipkins 
Parker (P) 
Woods 
Curran 
Horan 
Prasad 
Dalziel 
Horomia (P) 
Robertson G 
Dean (P) 
Hughes 
Roche 
Teller: 
Delahunty 
Hutchison (P) 
Ross 
Mallard 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The result corrected after originally being announced as Ayes 33 Noes 83.
Fenton Darien: Habeas Corpus Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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[Sitting date: 13 March 2013. Volume:688;Page:8510. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
DARIEN FENTON (Junior Whip—Labour) 
: 
 I seek leave for the Habeas Corpus Amendment Bill to be taken as one question. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Leave is sought for clauses 1 to 5 and 7 to 12 of the Habeas Corpus Amendment Bill to be taken as one question. Is there any objection? There is no objection.
Mallard Trevor: Holidays (Full Recognition of Waitangi Day and ANZAC Day) Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
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Mallard Trevor: Holidays (Full Recognition of Waitangi Day and ANZAC Day) Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
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Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I support this bill.
List Member Vacancy 
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List Member Vacancy 
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Wednesday 13 March 2013 
Mr Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Prayers 
. 
List Member Vacancy 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I have been advised by the Chief Electoral Officer pursuant to section 137 of the Electoral Act 1993 that Carol Ann Beaumont has been declared to be elected as a member of the House of Representatives in place of Charles Pierre Chauvel. I understand that Carol Ann Beaumont is present and wishes to make the affirmation. Would she please come forward to the chair on my right.
Sage Eugenie: Financial Review Debate — In Committee 
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[Sitting date: 12 March 2013. Volume:688;Page:8460. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
EUGENIE SAGE (Green) 
: 
 The Ministry for the Environment spent nearly $51 million in 2011-12 and a major appropriation within that allocation and a major work stream for a number of the ministry’s staff is a programme called improving resource management. The ministry may have received a very good rating from the Office of the Auditor-General on its financial information systems and controls but the suite of changes that this ministry has been directed to make to the Resource Management Act by the National Government is receiving a thumbs down and a very poor rating from anyone who cares about our lands our waters our coasts and our air and from anyone who understands that a healthy environment is the basis of economic success. It is a key plank of the National Government’s pro-development anti-environment agenda that it has directed the ministry to dismantle the concept of sustainable management that has been in the Resource Management Act for 20 years; to strip out five of the key environmental criteria in Part 2 the core of the Act; and to put in provisions that would see economic effects emphasised over environmental ones so that the playing field is tilted very much in favour of development regardless of how destructive or poorly planned that development is. 
When the Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment released her submission on the Resource Management Reform Bill which is before this House she said that it would “unbalance” the Resource Management Act. She criticised the ministry’s policy work on the bill and the plans to increase the influence of economic concerns. She said: “There is a sense in the changes that the environment is considered the enemy of economic progress”. That is certainly something we have seen in the discussion paper that was released last month and that the ministry is now taking around the country in a very rapid roadshow. Groups like the Environmental Defence Society have called the proposals in the discussion document “deeply troubling”. So what did the Minister do? She moved to shut down the discussion almost immediately by describing groups such as the Environmental Defence Society and the Royal Forest and Bird Protection Society and their criticisms as being “out of touch” and being “scaremongers” when it is those groups that provide a thin green line to protect our environment with their work—
Tisch Lindsay: Financial Review Debate — In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Order! [ 
Interruption 
] Order! Is the member seeking another call? No. Well sit down then if you are finished. 
Report noted.
Tisch Lindsay: Financial Review Debate — In Committee 
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[Sitting date: 12 March 2013. Volume:688;Page:8424. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Now I am just going to clarify with Brendan Horan whether—I think the member has used his call. 
Hon Gerry Brownlee 
: No that’s not the way it works. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Order! If the member wishes to take a call he will have to get a call allocated from another party. Of course as I indicated before to the member you have exercised your right to the call and you are not entitled to another call in this 4-hour debate. But it may well be that another party would actually give you the call. I do not know whether the whips of other parties wish to. Otherwise I am sorry I cannot give the call to the member. You have exercised your right.
Tisch Lindsay: Financial Review Debate — In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Sorry to interrupt the member. The time has come for me to leave the chair for the dinner break. 
Sitting suspended from 6 p.m. to 7.30 p.m.
Brownlee Gerry: Financial Review Debate — In Committee 
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Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (Minister for Canterbury Earthquake Recovery) 
: 
 I think one of the things that that speech misses is that no business can thrive unless there is a dynamic in the economy that allows it to grow those business opportunities. And that is not about the Government standing up and pouring huge amounts of subsidy into here there and everywhere— 
Dr David Clark 
: That’s not there; that’s the problem. 
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE 
: —as the reverend over there would have us believe; it is about a Government that looks at a wider economic policy that is about ensuring that the country has a base wealth. So let us start with the first point. This first point is the exchange rate which we hear from the Green Party and the Labour Party is too high and we have got to knock it down somehow. The Green Party along with the Labour Party wanted to get out the printing presses and start printing so much money that the value of our exchange falls. That hurts every consumer in this country because that is about saying to New Zealanders “We are the deciding to make you poorer.” and that is not an acceptable thing at all. It also rips out from consumers the purchasing power that they have with their wages. So real wages not subsidised wages is what it has to be about. 
I will tell you something else. When it comes to supporting business the tax rates that we have brought in do encourage business and businesses to expand to do more and to grow. There is also the issue of market access. An unrelenting desire to get New Zealand into different markets so that we can have export choices has been a hallmark of this Government so far. When it comes to employing people it is no good saying “Here—look. Here’s a subsidy for this person. Take them into the business that you’ve got operating here.” when in fact that person may not have the incentive they need. So getting people who want work—
Tisch Lindsay: Financial Review Debate — In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Order! How this works is that this is a 4-hour debate and each party is allocated a number of speaking positions. In your case you were given—and I understand that was an agreement with a party—one call. You have exercised that right to the call so you will have no other calls available to you in this 4-hour debate. Should you wish to take another call then you would need to seek a call from the whips of one of the parties who may be able to give you one but at this stage unfortunately I have to decline. You do not have any opportunity under the current rules that we are operating. So are there any further speakers on this part?
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BRENDAN HORAN (Independent) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. Given the communication problems within this Chamber I thought that the Chair had actually said a member could have two calls and it is quite understandable with these communication problems—
Tisch Lindsay: Financial Review Debate — In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: The member has already spoken and that is a call. [ 
Interruption 
] Order! You have taken the call. You have actually used up your 5-minute spot. 
Report noted.
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BRENDAN HORAN (Independent) 
: 
 Under review is the performance of the Ministry of Transport and what a shambolic year 2011-12 was for transport in New Zealand. Minister Brownlee is supposedly in charge— 
Hon Gerry Brownlee 
: I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: I think I know what you are going to say but I call the Hon Gerry Brownlee. 
Hon Gerry Brownlee 
: Mr Chairperson—oh I cannot be heard. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: I am sure I know what you are going to say. What we are on here this debate is not about—if you want to specifically talk about the Minister of Transport and transport matters that comes later in the debate all right? We are on the Financial Statements of the Government for the year ended 30 June. That is what we are on. Brendan Horan. 
BRENDAN HORAN 
: Thank you. I will wait for later in the debate.
Tisch Lindsay: Financial Review Debate — In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: The House is in Committee on the Appropriation (2011/12 Financial Review) Bill. The financial review debate is the Committee stage of the Appropriation (2011/12 Financial Review) Bill. The time allocated for this debate is 4 hours and comprises two distinct elements. The first is the debate on the annual Financial Statements of the Government as reported on by the Finance and Expenditure Committee. Once this has concluded the Committee debates individual financial reviews of departments Offices of Parliament and non-departmental appropriations as reported on by the select committees. The debate on the Government’s financial position may be a fairly wide-ranging one but the debates on the individual financial reviews of departments Offices of Parliament and non-departmental appropriations should be relevant to their performance in the 2011-12 financial year and their current operations. 
The compendium of financial reviews and non-departmental appropriations available for debate is on the Table. A member other than the responsible Minister may have no more than two calls on each financial review. At the conclusion of the debate a single question is put on the provisions of the bill. There is no amendment to or debate on this question. The Chairperson then reports the bill to the House and it is set down for third reading forthwith. There is no debate on the third reading. 
Will members please turn to the report of the Finance and Expenditure Committee on the annual Financial Statements of the Government. The question is that the report of the Finance and Expenditure Committee on the annual Financial Statements of the Government for the year ended 30 June 2012 be noted. I note that this report also relates to the Finance and Expenditure Committee’s financial review of Treasury so the performance in the 2011-12 financial year and current operations of Treasury may also be debated.
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The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: I call the Hon David Parker. I understand that the Leader of the Opposition’s microphone is working if you would prefer to take a call on that.
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The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: I am going to call Paul Goldsmith. The member must use the handheld microphone.
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The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: I understand members that this microphone in front of me is the only microphone that is working and that the handheld microphone is not actually working either. What I propose members—[ 
Interruption 
] Order please. What I propose is if the member—although we can hear in here it cannot be heard externally other than through this mike here. So I am going to invite members to come forward and speak from here and we will just turn this microphone round until we get something— 
Hon Annette King 
: The Speaker’s Chair would be better. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: No we are in the Committee stage so we cannot go up there. I am inviting another member to take the call.
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JAMI-LEE ROSS (National—Botany) 
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 I am sorry that this side of the House could not hear the last couple of minutes from David Cunliffe but judging from the first few minutes we did not feel as though we had missed very much. I did however hear him talk about rearranging the deckchairs. I thought that was quite interesting coming from David Cunliffe. I am sorry that the microphones do not work all the way up the back there but we could still see you Mr Cunliffe. 
I am going to speak just very briefly on this particular topic. The Government does welcome the report that the House has been debating for the last period of time. We will carefully consider any advice and recommendations made that could improve our biosecurity. In fact the Ministry for Primary Industries has already accepted the report and all seven recommendations. Already work has been undertaken on working through those recommendations. Significant changes have already been made and had taken place even before the report was released. Improvement is in progress on updating plans for dealing with specific pests better surveillance targeting and more regular exercises and simulations. 
Overall we believe that New Zealand does have a world-class biosecurity system. As a Government we are extremely conscious of how important it is to protect our borders and continuing to improve the system is a major priority for this Government. I think it is worth pointing out that Government spending on biosecurity according to the information that I have been given is now at almost double what it was in 2000 when the last Labour Government started office. Last year we saw a record number of biosecurity staff recruited—over 40. 
The Government does take this issue very seriously. The Government does take this report very seriously. Work is already under way on it. We will continue to work on improvements to the system for the benefit of all New Zealanders. 
The debate having concluded the motion lapsed.
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The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: Just before I call the next speaker we are working under reasonably adverse conditions. Although some acceptance of interjections will be tolerated I think if we get into the incessant thing—we are all in the same boat here so let us have a little bit of recognition of the circumstances.
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Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: We are back to 10-minute calls.
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IAN McKELVIE (National—Rangitikei) 
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 I like almost all previous speakers in the House today welcome this report. I think this is without a doubt the most important issue facing New Zealand whether we like it or not on any one day in our history. Agriculture of course is the primary industry in this country. It produces 70c of every dollar spent in this country so we certainly cannot afford to take risks with the biosecurity around it. I think we have to understand that as we make changes and bring ourselves up to date with the dramatic opportunities that technology and things like that allow us we need to ensure that we keep our levels of biosecurity up and we need to ensure that we use modern techniques to enable those people involved in that industry to do that. 
Also we are a trading country. We rely heavily on agriculture for our living and we need to have relationships with our trading partners that enable them to see very clearly what we are doing as a country and that also enable them to participate in any activity that they wish to participate in with us within reason. We need to protect the integrity of our product and the integrity of our borders. 
On the weekend a number of us visited Kapiti Island. While visiting Kapiti Island we found the fraughtness of biosecurity in that a stoat had got to Kapiti Island some 4 years ago and bred there. There is no way of knowing how she got there but she certainly had a couple of kids while she was there. Those have since been trapped and eradicated. Interestingly they also had a photograph of a possum floating to Kapiti Island on a log and if that can happen between Kapiti Island and here with a possum imagine how difficult it is for us in this country to control a border of the magnitude of the one we have with sea all around it. 
So I have no problem supporting this report. I think it is a great report. I think if we were to go looking for reports that I guess told us we were perfect we would have no need to request reports on this sort of stuff. I welcome these kinds of reports and I think they are great value for the Government they are great value for the country and they will add to our ability to improve our biosecurity systems. Thank you for this opportunity and that is me.
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COLIN KING (National—Kaikoura) 
: 
 I am sure that we will adhere to that. 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: You will. 
COLIN KING 
: The Government welcomes this report and it welcomes it from the point of view that it finally wakes people in New Zealand up to just how important agriculture and the primary industries are to the New Zealand economy. I would have to say that when you look at the other side of the House it is only when a report comes out and states the obvious that they actually wake up and you hear Damien O’Connor speaking. He is the lone voice around agriculture on that side of the House and he is pleased to inform his colleagues of how important agriculture is. 
We welcome this report from the Auditor-General because it really does highlight the point that I am making which is how do you fight this thing before it gets to your border? Let us face it when you hear New Zealand First say that you have to have a standing army here you have to use technology and you have to use everything available to you. I am pleased to see that the Government is moving very quickly to enact those activities. There is a lot of work being done by this Government including National Animal Identification and Tracing. We have done a lot of stuff on our side of the border but the real challenge is to be able to manage the overwhelming amount of material that is being brought into this country because we are developing a consumer society. This is an export-led economy and we welcome this report because biosecurity is very very important. We welcome the report but we are also very very impressed by the moves the Government has taken to date in order to improve biosecurity management with regards to that challenge which will continually confront this country and every Government going forward. Thank you very much.
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Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: The next call goes to Mr King. I think to remind the House the next two calls are 5-minute calls.
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The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: The member is seeking leave to be able to take a call. Is there any objection to that course of action? There is objection.
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Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: I just wish to advise members of the House that although there may be audio problems inside the House broadcast by all mediums is operating fine outside of the House. So we just need to acknowledge a bit of decorum in the House until that is solved. The problem is being worked on. It may well be resolved by now. But efforts are being made to resolve it and we are being broadcast through the normal channels.
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Mr SPEAKER 
: I have also received a letter from the Hon Damien O’Connor seeking to debate under Standing Order 386 the report from the Controller and Auditor-General on the effectiveness of the Ministry for Primary Industries in preparing for and responding to biosecurity incursions in New Zealand. The release of the report is a particular case of recent occurrence. As an Auditor-General’s report there is no ministerial responsibility for the report itself but it deals with matters involving ministerial responsibility. The report finds evidence that the Ministry for Primary Industries is under-prepared for potential incursions of some high-risk organisms and makes wide-ranging recommendations to improve preparedness. 
Given the significance of the matter and the need for a high level of public confidence in New Zealand’s biosecurity response I consider it important enough to warrant the immediate attention of the House by way of an urgent debate. I call upon the Hon Damien O’Connor to move that the House take note of an urgent matter of public importance.
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Mr SPEAKER 
: I have received a letter from the Hon Clayton Cosgrove seeking to debate under Standing Order 386 an Order in Council removing Mighty River Power from the State-Owned Enterprises Act 1986. The House has only relatively recently considered the issue of a partial sale of State enterprises in principle. Every subsequent decision made under the legislation will not necessarily be of sufficient importance to justify setting aside the business of the House. I am not persuaded that the matter deserves the immediate attention of the House by way of an urgent debate today. There will be other occasions on which the matter can be debated. The application is therefore declined.
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Mr SPEAKER 
: Would Jacqui Dean please repeat the question.
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Hon CLAYTON COSGROVE (Labour) 
: 
 I withdraw.