White HelenHELEN WHITE (Labour—Mt Albert): Thank you. I'd like to begin where you ended in that tribute to Efeso Collins. I did know him rather well and it's been hard to be in the House today rather than up in Auckland but I paid my respects on Monday. I join the House I think in thinking very much that this was a man who loved his family and who doesn't get to see his children grow up and they don't get to have him there any more and that's the bit that means the most to me in the situation.I'd also like to pay my respects to the member who's brought this bill to the House Todd Stephenson but also to my friend Toni Severin who I was on a course with that was all about understanding this place and using it better. One of the lessons that I think we both learnt was the power of something that crossed across the House and was bipartisan.Now this is a piece of legislation that is at heart—and Toni has a good heart—about rehabilitation and not abandoning people and supporting people when they are willing to make a move. I think that we all agree with that purpose. We might have some gnarly bits to work through in the select committee but I think we're all prepared to do that.My own concern is wider than this. I think that there is always a tendency in these areas to look at punishment—and there is a place for punishment in the prison situation because there are victims but there is a much greater place for making sure that people who have lost their way and hurt people often as a consequence are not going to hurt people in the future and to find a way. I'd love some of the work that needs to be done around that discussed at the select committee. For example I'd love to see—and I'm not sure if it's in scope—us look at the capacity to bring rehabilitation in as an offering to people on remand because they sit on remand at the present time for far too long lost and without those opportunities.We know our prison population suffer a lot from illiteracy. They're illiterate often and they're also suffering from things like ADHD. They've often had trauma. They've often had violence in their past. So anything that can be done to actually examine that and to offer solutions I think I am fully in support of and I think we could be liberal with the way this bill was developed. It is absolutely important that we put in the resourcing.So it is a challenge in a time when there are parts being looked at to make sure that we don't—we don't—undercut this because this actually ends up even in a cost-benefit analysis as being incredibly important that we actually make sure that people who go through our prison system do not go out and reoffend and that they do not become people who are unable to find work. The parole system is partly set up to do that. This seems to be a complement to it if done sensibly. We obviously also have to look beyond the time of parole because then people are in the situation where they haven't got the same supports in place.I for one am aware that there has been a member's bill about extending the clean-slate principle so that people on minor crimes actually have the capacity to work. But we also have to recognise that when people have committed offences we also need those people not to be for ever in a situation where they can't get in to high-paid work. It's so important to society that we bridge that gap and that we don't continually punish people in that area by a form of hopelessness that is low-paid work.So I see this bill as something that provides a starting point for an important conversation. I look forward to the Justice Committee working as much as they can in a bipartisan way on this bill. This week has been a really hard one for the Labour Party in this House. We found the smoke-free legislation really difficult. It has been one of those things which really hurt a lot of people. But this is at least a good way of healing this House on this day which is our last day in Parliament this week. Thank you. I commend the bill to the House.