Upston LouiseHon LOUISE UPSTON (National—Taupō): I think the speaker before me Jenny Salesa has kind of missed an important statement that the Hon Michael Woodhouse made and that is that we're not debating the fact that we want New Zealanders to live in warm dry healthy homes. We're not debating the fact that there are serious health implications for those that don't.But what we are debating and why unfortunately our side of the House is unable to support this bill is that the original bill that was introduced to this House has had the guts absolutely stripped out of it. Despite significant questions in the committee stage of this bill the Minister in charge Phil Twyford just hasn't been able to provide any certainty or any information about what actually this will mean. My colleague the Hon Michael Woodhouse went through in significant detail around the costings side of it. What are the implications for homeowners? What are the implications for tenants? We do have a large number of tenants in New Zealand and actually I'd want to make sure that those tenants are protected from significant increases in rent as a result of this bill. Unfortunately this side of the House doesn't have the level of assurance or comfort that we would like to have had from a piece of legislation that in terms of the intended or stated outcome is to provide warm healthy dry homes.It's always uncomfortable on days like today where the legislation before us is miles away from delivering a stated outcome and that is concerning. When we talk about the Government's need to sit within fiscal parameters the fact that there's no detail available about what this is going to cost the Government in terms of its own collection of houses to upgrade to the 2008 standard—and actually every taxpayer has an interest in that because they are the ones that pay for it. Any time we talk about the Government's liability that is for hard-working Kiwis who are the taxpayers who have to fork out to cover those costs—and a responsible Government would actually have that detail available. It is disappointing that they don't.Another issue that I think is really important—given the time frame of the implementation being 1 July 2019 given the 600000 rental properties involved in this—is I haven't seen any information from the Minister in terms of how this work is going to occur. Who's going to do it? Along with KiwiBuild—sorry it's KiwiBuy" now—there's actually labour required to do this. There's no implication there's no suggestion of how that's going to happen or maybe they're going to do a healthy homes special visa as well to bring more immigrants in and get around their current restrictions—New Zealand First's current restrictions.As I say it is frustrating. We'd like to be able to support legislation that provides warm healthy dry homes. Our agreement with the Green Party in 2008 which I think was a fantastic agreement a really important piece of work—Simeon Brown: Pragmatic and sensible.Hon LOUISE UPSTON: Pragmatic sensible as my colleague has said—supporting the very families that many of us come to this House to support. But unfortunately this piece of legislation is miles away from that. It doesn't provide any detail. We're not sure it's going to achieve anything and if it does at what cost? I'm sorry that I and this side of the House won't be supporting this bill."