Simmonds Penny; Rurawhe AdrianPENNY SIMMONDS (National—Invercargill): Thank you Mr Speaker. I want to address a comment that the member who has just sat down Sarah Pallett made when I gave the example of the gentleman that I had been discussing his issues with the gentleman living with a disability because her comments and her criticism perfectly illustrate why this bill should have gone to the select committee process. That young man that I spoke to is an employer. He has individualised funding and he is an employer of his caregivers. So he had the right as an employer to choose whether those people who fed him bathed him toileted him and dressed him could continue even if they weren't vaccinated. But this Government has taken that choice from him because his funding would be withheld if he carried on with carers who were not vaccinated.Now had that matter gone to the select committee we would have asked for health advice we would have asked for legal advice and we would have shown the due concern that we should show when an example like that comes up—where there is going to be an impact and implications that have clearly not been thought of by this Government. That is what a select committee process is for. Instead this gentleman faces the prospect of having no caregivers when he needs them. That is not a good alternative.The other example that I gave was the young adult with Down syndrome whose parents are his caregivers—a young man who is not verbal; he can't articulate his concerns. Has the member who criticised this any idea how distressing it is for that young man and that family thinking that they may be separated because this bill did not go through due process and did not have the opportunity to consider nuanced responses that need to address these kind of concerns?People are genuinely worried about their civil rights. Everyday people are worried that this Government is giving itself more control than is necessary over their lives. And this Government prides itself on being kind! Well if anybody had listened to Stuart Nash casting aspersions on those good Groundswell people last week they would know this Government is not kind on anyone who threatens to have opinions other than theirs. People are genuinely worried about how controlling this Government is and this most transparent Government ever is doing nothing to quell those concerns. In fact they are stoking the fires of suspicion and conspiracy theorists by taking away people's opportunity to have a say.We know from years of managing people that you give as much opportunity to get on board as possible to take people with us. Taking their voice away is not giving people that opportunity. Taking their ability away to explain the impact on their lives to explain where there will be anomalies that need to be addressed takes away any power that they might have to influence this legislation and to get those minor tweaks and changes that would ensure that they understand and they are confident about the legislation going through. But this Government has wiped away the opportunity to take people with them and has instead pushed even further the concerns that people have has made those people who were a little bit anti absolutely dig their toes in—DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order! The member's time has expired. Kieran McAnulty five minutes.