Swarbrick Chlöe; Woods MeganCHLÖE SWARBRICK (Green—Auckland Central): I also wanted to ask the Minister about paragraph 12 in the regulatory impact statement—of course everybody's favourite document in this committee of the whole House stage at page 8 paragraph 12. It states—and I quote—Kāinga Ora predicts that there will be 5 to 10 percent of properties still to comply on 1 July 2023. This estimate does not account for any further issues in relation to trades constraints and supply of materials due to supply chain issues. This of course is part of the rationalisation of this extension particularly for Kāinga Ora." So given that there is only a breakdown for Kāinga Ora and how many properties would be outstanding with compliance at that date as currently in the legislation for 1 July 2023 I'm wondering if the Minister or officials can perhaps share with us whether there was any estimation or prediction about how many private landlords would still be needing to comply at the time frame as outlined in the legislation as it stands prior to this amendment passing tonight.Hon Dr MEGAN WOODS (Minister of Housing): The paragraph that the member is referring to paragraph 12 talks about the number of tenants that will be outstanding at the July 2023 deadline. This goes to a point that I made in an earlier stage in this Chamber—that many of these and a proportion of these are not because of supply chain constraints. They're not about the inability to get hold of a heat pump. It's not about the inability to get hold of batts. It's not about the fact that there might not have been enough tradespeople to install them or that those resources were stretched. It's about the number of our tenants in Kāinga Ora homes who are some of the most vulnerable in our communities. There has been reticence for people to allow tradespeople in their homes in the time of a global pandemic. And that's something that we are highly attuned to as a landlord something we are respectful of—the wishes of our tenants. So while we have been approaching our upgrades on an area-wide or a street-wide approach but with escalation services of it we have been cognisant of the wishes and fears of many of our tenants around allowing tradespeople into their homes. We are working through that. We have tenancy managers who are working with tenants to get them to a place where they feel safe; they don't feel they are being put at risk—bringing a tradesperson into their home puts them at greater risk of contracting COVID. And that is something that we will always do. We always will put the welfare needs of our tenants first and that may be conversations about whether or not the tenant needs to move. But that will be a critical thing and that is what that paragraph is referring to.So we could have kept that July 2023 date. We could have pushed on through—we're doing between 600 and 700 houses a week—but what we do know is that would have required an approach with our tenants that as a landlord we're not prepared to take given that we are a landlord to some of our most vulnerable in this country.In terms of how that translates in terms of what the delta will be for private landlords of course that is slightly different. We know that the turnover of tenancy for private properties is much higher than it is for public landlords. We have usually roughly some caveats around the fact that it's going to include multiple houses and multiple people within it but you'd see about a 30 percent turnover in the private rental market which of course is a trigger for needing to institute the healthy homes. So it is impossible to model. What you can see is that at the moment in terms of the starting and completing we've got roughly the same. So you'd probably have to say there'd be similar figures. But it is very complicated."