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Vote: Alcohol Reform Bill — In Committee 
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A personal vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 47 
Ardern J (P) 
Genter (P) 
Mathers (P) 
Tirikatene (P) 
Browning 
Goff (P) 
Moroney (P) 
Turei (P) 
Chauvel 
Graham (P) 
Norman (P) 
Turia (P) 
Clark (P) 
Hague 
Parker (P) 
Twyford (P) 
Clendon (P) 
Harawira (P) 
Prasad (P) 
Walker (P) 
Cosgrove (P) 
Horomia (P) 
Robertson G (P) 
Wall 
Cunliffe (P) 
Hughes (P) 
Robertson R (P) 
Woods (P) 
Curran (P) 
Huo (P) 
Roche (P) 
Delahunty (P) 
Jones (P) 
Sage (P) 
Dyson (P) 
King A (P) 
Sharples (P) 
Faafoi (P) 
Logie (P) 
Shearer (P) 
Fenton (P) 
Mackey (P) 
Sio (P) 
Teller: 
Flavell (P) 
Mahuta (P) 
Street 
Dalziel 
Noes 73 
Adams (P) 
Finlayson (P) 
Lole-Taylor (P) 
Shanks (P) 
Ardern S (P) 
Foss (P) 
Lotu-Iiga (P) 
Simpson (P) 
Auchinvole (P) 
Goldsmith (P) 
Macindoe (P) 
Smith L (P) 
Bakshi (P) 
Goodhew (P) 
Mallard (P) 
Smith N (P) 
Banks (P) 
Groser (P) 
Martin 
Stewart 
Barry (P) 
Guy (P) 
McClay (P) 
Tisch (P) 
Bennett D (P) 
Hayes (P) 
McCully (P) 
Tolley (P) 
Bennett P (P) 
Heatley (P) 
McKelvie (P) 
Tremain (P) 
Blue (P) 
Henare (P) 
Mitchell 
Wagner (P) 
Borrows (P) 
Hipkins (P) 
Ngaro 
Wilkinson (P) 
Bridges (P) 
Horan 
O’Connor S (P) 
Williams 
Brownlee (P) 
Hutchison (P) 
O’Rourke 
Williamson (P) 
Calder (P) 
Joyce (P) 
Parata (P) 
Woodhouse 
Carter (P) 
Kaye (P) 
Peters (P) 
Yang (P) 
Coleman (P) 
Key (P) 
Prosser 
Young (P) 
Collins 
King C (P) 
Ross (P) 
Dean (P) 
Lee (P) 
Roy (P) 
Dunne (P) 
Lees-Galloway (P) 
Ryall (P) 
Teller: 
English (P) 
Little (P) 
Sabin 
Upston 
Amendment not agreed to
Roy Eric: Alcohol Reform Bill — In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: In accordance with an instruction from the Speaker the next three votes may be personal votes if the Committee calls it. In that case there will be 1-minute bells. It may assist members to stay in the Chamber if the outcome is to have personal votes. So we move to the next question which is Louisa Wall’s amendments imposing a ban on off-licences—[ 
Interruption 
] Sorry unlock the doors. My apologies. I am a bit rusty as well. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 107 in the name of Louisa Wall to Part 3 be agreed to.
Vote: Alcohol Reform Bill — In Committee 
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A personal vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 40 
Browning 
Harawira (P) 
Moroney 
Tirikatene (P) 
Chauvel 
Hipkins (P) 
Norman (P) 
Turei (P) 
Clendon 
Horomia (P) 
Prasad 
Turia (P) 
Cunliffe (P) 
Hughes 
Robertson G (P) 
Twyford (P) 
Delahunty (P) 
Huo 
Robertson R (P) 
Walker (P) 
Dyson 
Jones (P) 
Roche (P) 
Wall 
Faafoi (P) 
Logie (P) 
Sage (P) 
Flavell 
Mackey (P) 
Sharples (P) 
Genter (P) 
Mahuta (P) 
Shearer (P) 
Graham (P) 
Mallard (P) 
Sio (P) 
Teller: 
Hague 
Mathers (P) 
Street 
Dalziel 
Noes 80 
Adams (P) 
Dunne (P) 
Lees-Galloway (P) 
Shanks (P) 
Ardern J (P) 
English (P) 
Little (P) 
Simpson (P) 
Ardern S (P) 
Fenton 
Lole-Taylor (P) 
Smith L (P) 
Auchinvole 
Finlayson (P) 
Lotu-Iiga (P) 
Smith N 
Bakshi 
Foss (P) 
Macindoe 
Stewart 
Banks (P) 
Goff (P) 
Martin 
Tisch (P) 
Barry (P) 
Goldsmith (P) 
McClay (P) 
Tolley (P) 
Bennett D (P) 
Goodhew (P) 
McCully (P) 
Tremain (P) 
Bennett P (P) 
Groser (P) 
McKelvie (P) 
Wagner (P) 
Blue (P) 
Guy (P) 
Mitchell (P) 
Wilkinson (P) 
Borrows 
Hayes (P) 
Ngaro 
Williams 
Bridges (P) 
Heatley (P) 
O’Connor S (P) 
Williamson (P) 
Brownlee (P) 
Henare (P) 
O’Rourke 
Woodhouse 
Calder (P) 
Horan 
Parata (P) 
Woods 
Carter (P) 
Hutchison (P) 
Parker (P) 
Yang (P) 
Clark (P) 
Joyce (P) 
Peters 
Young (P) 
Coleman (P) 
Kaye 
Prosser 
Collins 
Key (P) 
Ross 
Cosgrove (P) 
King A (P) 
Roy (P) 
Curran (P) 
King C (P) 
Ryall (P) 
Teller: 
Dean (P) 
Lee (P) 
Sabin 
Upston 
Amendments not agreed to 
The result corrected after originally being announced as Ayes 39 Noes 80.
Vote: Alcohol Reform Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments as amended and the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 107 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 29 (Ardern J Chauvel Clark Cosgrove Cunliffe Curran Dalziel Dyson Faafoi Fenton Goff Hipkins Horomia Huo Jones King A Lees-Galloway Little Mackey Mahuta Mallard Moroney Parker Prasad Robertson G Tirikatene Twyford Wall Woods); Green Party 14; Maori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; Mana 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 12 
New Zealand Labour 4 (Robertson R Shearer Sio Street); New Zealand First 8. 
Amendments as amended and amendment agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 81 in the name of Te Ururoa Flavell to amend clause 35 and insert new clause 35B be agreed to.
Vote: Alcohol Reform Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment to the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 111 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 33; Green Party 14; Maori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; Mana 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 8 
New Zealand First 8. 
Amendment to the amendments agreed to. 
The result corrected after originally being announced as Ayes 112 Noes 8. 
The question was put that the amendments as amended set out on Supplementary Order Paper 132 in the name of the Hon Judith Collins and the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 137 in her name be agreed to.
Vote: Alcohol Reform Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 59 
New Zealand Labour 33; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 3; Mana 1. 
Motion agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 137 in the name of the Hon Judith Collins to the proposed amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 132 in her name be agreed to.
Dalziel Lianne: Alcohol Reform Bill — In Committee 
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Hon LIANNE DALZIEL (Labour—Christchurch East) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. Leave was sought before we came into this in order to allow a nominated member from each of the parties to take six calls in this debate and I know that— 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: Order! I am quite aware of that. It was up to six calls. It was not any guarantee of six calls.
Ngaro Alfred: Alcohol Reform Bill — In Committee 
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ALFRED NGARO (National) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
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Macindoe Tim: Alcohol Reform Bill — In Committee 
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TIM MACINDOE (National—Hamilton West) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
O'Rourke Denis: Alcohol Reform Bill — In Committee 
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DENIS O’ROURKE (NZ First) 
: 
 I want to make some comments about the proposed new clause 382 of the Alcohol Reform Bill about pricing. First of all New Zealand First does not necessarily support the concept of minimum pricing; nor necessarily reject it either. But we do acknowledge that price is relevant to consumption especially by young people and that of course is what leads to abuse. However we also acknowledge that there are many problems with minimum pricing as a concept and many possible loopholes. We do agree with the Government that it needs very comprehensive investigation and we are very glad to see that the Government has committed itself to a programme of investigation on this issue. I would have to say however having just heard the Minister of Justice that I wonder whether she has in fact already made her decision about this and whether that investigation would make any difference at all. I hope that is not the case. I hope like us the Minister will wait see the results of that investigation look at the facts and then make an assessment—firstly about whether some means of minimum pricing is appropriate and practical and secondly how that might be implemented in a sensible way. 
However although we do not necessarily support nor reject minimum pricing and will wait for the investigation we do think that there is absolutely no harm in supporting Supplementary Order Paper 113 in the name of Lianne Dalziel simply because of the reason she and Charles Chauvel gave and that is that all it does is insert a provision enabling regulations to be made if any are to be made in the future. That is a completely harmless provision and it may actually turn out to be very useful if the results of the investigations do indicate that minimum pricing is worthwhile and that there is a practical and sensible way to do it. So I would not understand why anyone would vote against this because there is no good reason to do that. The Minister certainly has not given any convincing reason why a provision for regulation should not be included in the bill so New Zealand First will support it for that reason alone but as to whether we support regulations in the future we reserve our position. 
I would also like to mention labelling. Set out in Supplementary Order Paper 114 is the provision that I wish to address. In that Supplementary Order Paper the intention is to ensure that alcoholic beverages are no longer exempt from the requirement to provide a label with a nutrition information panel according to the Food Standards Code. Alcoholic beverages— 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Order! Order! The member is talking about Part 6. Can you come to Part 3 please. 
DENIS O’ROURKE 
: Sorry? This is section 382? This is clause 382 Supplementary Order Paper 114. 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: It will be considered in Part 6. 
DENIS O’ROURKE 
: Really? Well I will reserve my comments until then. Thank you.
Robertson H V Ross: Alcohol Reform Bill — In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Kia ora tatou no reira e te Whare e nga iwi e nga reo e nga hau e wha. Tena koutou tena koutou tena koutou katoa. Before I recognise the first speaker there is the correction of a vote. Last night the result of the vote on the question that the amendments in the name of Te Ururoa Flavell to insert new Part 2A was incorrectly announced as Ayes 44 and Noes 66. The result is Ayes 44 and Noes 76. The record will be corrected accordingly.
Smith Lockwood: Alcohol Reform Bill — Procedure 
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Mr SPEAKER 
: Is there any objection to that course of action being followed? There is none.
Robertson Grant: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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12. 
GRANT ROBERTSON (Deputy Leader—Labour) 
 to the  
Prime Minister 
: Has Hon John Banks satisfied the  
Cabinet Manual 
 requirement of upholding the highest ethical standards in his political and personal capacity? 
Rt Hon JOHN KEY (Prime Minister) 
: 
 Yes. 
Grant Robertson 
: How is John Banks’ refusal to release his witness statement to the police upholding the standards of ministerial behaviour in a personal and political capacity? 
Rt Hon JOHN KEY 
: I do not know the particulars of the case but what I do know about the Official Information Act is that the departments do have to cite relevant sections of the Act if they choose to withhold information. In the end the decision to release information is actually the responsibility of the department—in this case the police. 
Grant Robertson 
: Given his publicly stated commitment to high ministerial standards why will he not ask the Hon John Banks to allow his witness statement to be released or is that just a position of hypocrisy? 
Rt Hon JOHN KEY 
: The reason is that that was an action taken by Mr Banks not even in his capacity as the leader of the ACT Party but actually as a personal position. He has the right like any other New Zealand citizen and if the Labour Party wants to go out there and publicly release the Darren Hughes file well it is welcome to do so as well. 
Grant Robertson 
: If the Hon John Banks—[ 
Interruption 
] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Order! I want to hear this question. 
Grant Robertson 
: If the Hon John Banks’ witness statement were to show that he had lied to him or his chief of staff would he dismiss John Banks as a Minister? 
Rt Hon JOHN KEY 
: Well that has always been the test but the member is raising a hypothetical question. I have been assured by the member that he has told us the truth and I accept that as his word. 
Grant Robertson 
: What would John Banks need to do in order for him to lose confidence in him as a Minister? 
Rt Hon JOHN KEY 
: He would need to lose my confidence.
Yang Jian: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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11. 
Dr JIAN YANG (National) 
 to the  
Minister for ACC 
: How will the Government improve accidental injury outcomes for under-six-year-olds? 
Hon JUDITH COLLINS (Minister for ACC) 
: 
 I am very pleased to announce that free after-hours doctors’ visits for under-6-year-olds will be extended to visits covered by ACC. Parents should not be put off taking an injured child to the doctor because of the cost. Free after-hours visits for accident care will also enable families to seek the urgent medical care they need when they need it. 
Dr Jian Yang 
: What are the benefits of free after-hours accident care? 
Hon JUDITH COLLINS 
: ACC received claims for about 80000 children aged under 6 in the last year alone. Today’s announcement will make a big difference for those families who may have waited until the next day before seeing their general practitioner. From December this year they will no longer have to. Free after-hours accident care visits will also help reduce the number of young children presenting at our busy hospital emergency departments with an injury that a general practitioner could have treated.
Lotu-Iiga Sam: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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8. 
Peseta SAM LOTU-IIGA (National—Maungakiekie) 
 to the  
Minister for Social Development 
: What changes will the White Paper for Vulnerable Children make to better support professionals working with children? 
Hon PAULA BENNETT (Minister for Social Development) 
: 
 Absolutely central to the White Paper for Vulnerable Children will be the local Children’s Teams. These teams will break down the current silos and get all the professionals working with vulnerable children round the same table. There are some teams that are working very efficiently now; we can build on that and make it stronger and a more consistent practice across the country. 
Peseta Sam Lotu-Iiga 
: How will the local Children’s Teams work in the community to support those children most at risk? 
Hon PAULA BENNETT 
: The focus of the children’s directors and the local Children’s Teams will be on those vulnerable children. They will have real power and be mandated to assess a child’s needs and coordinate and oversee a single integrated plan for a vulnerable child. This will enable Child Youth and Family to focus on those most needy children who have been very seriously abused or neglected. 
Peseta Sam Lotu-Iiga 
: What new requirements will be introduced for those professionals working with children as part of the children’s workforce? 
Hon PAULA BENNETT 
: We will be introducing minimum standards to ensure everyone working with children has consistent quality of practice. New standards and competencies tailored to different roles and sectors will be introduced for workers to identify assess and respond to vulnerable children. These common minimum standards core competencies and training requirements will be developed across the sector by the end of next year.
Smith Lockwood: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought for that course of action. Is there any objection? There is objection.
Mallard Trevor: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 Mr Speaker I am doing this in order to give the Government some notice. I am seeking leave of the House for members’ notice of motion No. 1 to be set down in lieu of the general debate for debate and vote in light of your comments to the Hon Clayton Cosgrove.
Joyce Steven: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Joyce Steven: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Sitting date: 24 October 2012. Volume:685;Page:6115. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE (Minister for Economic Development) 
: 
 I seek leave to table a personally autographed copy of the  
Building Skilled and Safe Workplaces 
 report for the benefit of Mr Cunliffe. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The author of this report? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE 
: It is personally autographed by yours truly Mr Speaker for Mr Cunliffe’s benefit. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Before I seek leave from the House I need to know the source of this document. 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE 
: This is the  
Building Skilled and Safe Workplaces 
 report with its personal autograph from the Minister for Economic Development. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Who produced the document? 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE 
: I have just produced it now in my own hands. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to table that document. Is there any objection? 
Hon Annette King 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: We will deal with this first. 
Hon Annette King 
: There is one more question— 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Order! The member can object if she wishes. 
Hon Annette King 
: No I just want to—this is a point of order. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Well I will hear the Hon Annette King. 
Hon Annette King 
: There is one more question you usually ask and that is whether it is publicly available and if it is you then usually do not allow the document to be tabled. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The member is quite correct. On this occasion I was assuming members would probably object. Can the Minister indicate whether this is publicly available. 
Hon STEVEN JOYCE 
: Not this particular version. This is a one-off. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Order! I am afraid that does not suffice. If it is publicly available we will not be seeking leave to table it.
Tolley Anne: Alcohol Reform Bill — Procedure 
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Hon ANNE TOLLEY (Deputy Leader of the House) 
: 
 I seek leave for one member from each party to have up to six calls in the debate on Part 3 of the Alcohol Reform Bill.
Smith Lockwood: Business of Select Committees — Meetings 
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Mr SPEAKER 
: Is there any objection to that course of action being followed? There is none.
Tolley Anne: Business of Select Committees — Meetings 
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Hon ANNE TOLLEY (Deputy Leader of the House) 
: 
 I seek leave for the Maori Affairs Committee to meet outside of New Zealand with its counterparts in Australia from 29 October to 2 November 2012 as part of the annual joint committee exchange with Australia.
Alcohol Reform Bill — Procedure 
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Alcohol Reform Bill 
Procedure 
Hon ANNE TOLLEY (Deputy Leader of the House) 
: 
 I seek leave for one member from each party to have up to six calls in the debate on Part 3 of the Alcohol Reform Bill. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Is there any objection to that course of action being followed? There is none.
Business of Select Committees — Meetings 
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Wednesday 24 October 2012 
Mr Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Prayers 
. 
Business of Select Committees 
Meetings 
Hon ANNE TOLLEY (Deputy Leader of the House) 
: 
 I seek leave for the Maori Affairs Committee to meet outside of New Zealand with its counterparts in Australia from 29 October to 2 November 2012 as part of the annual joint committee exchange with Australia. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Is there any objection to that course of action being followed? There is none.
Tisch Lindsay: Alcohol Reform Bill — Procedure In Committee 
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[Sitting date: 23 October 2012. Volume:685;Page:6106. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: I hear what you say— 
Kevin Hague 
: Speaking to the point of order. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: I am just getting some clarification. 
Hon Lianne Dalziel 
: Point of order Mr Chair. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Just one moment. I will get back to you.
Norman Russel: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
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Dr RUSSEL NORMAN (Co-Leader—Green) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. This question was originally accepted by the Clerk’s Office with the word “secretive” in front of the word “meeting”. After intervention from the Prime Minister’s office it was changed. I seek leave to ask the original question as accepted by the Clerk’s Office.
Banks John: Obituaries — Sir Wilson James Whineray KNZM OBE 
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[Sitting date: 23 October 2012. Volume:685;Page:6028. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon JOHN BANKS (Leader—ACT) 
: 
 I rise to support the Prime Minister’s motion. In every generation we see a handful of truly outstanding role models. They come from everywhere on the compass and from all walks of life. We admire their actions and their deeds and we hold them up as representatives of everything good about the spirit of our country and the value of our citizens. Sir Wilson James Whineray is one of our legends. He was a good man in the finest traditions of someone truly great. 
Although well-known for his outstanding contribution as an All Black captain he was much bigger than the game of rugby. He was an extraordinary individual. Very few New Zealanders would not have heard of Sir Wilson Whineray and that is a tribute to all of his endeavours in sport business and in the wider community. In 1993 I worked with him in his role as chairman of the Hillary Commission. His single most significant contribution to that organisation was his commitment to reviving secondary school sport and participation at all levels. 
He was of course a great achiever but for all of that a quiet achiever. Public life never held a lot of interest for this private person yet I cannot help but reflect on what a superb Governor-General he could have been. Over the years he never hesitated to give anyone a helping hand and he was always there as a beacon of doing things right and doing the right thing. I had the opportunity to talk to him quite a lot over the years. On a one-to-one basis he always left you with a single and significant piece of sage advice. Former American President John Quincy Adams once said: “If your actions inspire others to dream more learn more do more and become more you are a leader.” Sir Wilson Whineray was a leader of our people and New Zealand’s stadium of 4 million has greatly benefited from the endeavours of one man. Today our thoughts turn to his gracious wife and wonderful family.
Harawira Hone: Obituaries — Sir Wilson James Whineray KNZM OBE 
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HONE HARAWIRA (Leader—Mana) 
: 
 Hoi no he tu poto tenei. Ki a tatou ano ra e te Whare e tautoko kaha ana matou katoa i nga mihi atu ki te rangatira o te Kapa o Pango kua ngaro atu ki tena atu o te arai. Te rangatira ki te papa takaro te rangatira ki te ao hurihuri nei no reira haere te rangatira haere haere atu ra. Hoi no e tika ana kia poroporoaki ra ki tetahi atu. He rangatira ano ki roto i tona ao tona tima tona iwi ara ko te iwi taketake puta noa te ao. No reira e te rangatira e Russell Means haere haere. Hoki atu ki tou ukaipo kia rere atu tou wairua ki te ringa o to matua nui i te Rangi. No reira e taku hoa e te toa e te rangatira haere haere oti atu e. 
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This is only a short call. To us once again the House we totally and strongly endorse the tributes to the former captain of the All Blacks who has passed beyond the veil. He was revered on the field of play and in this evolving world so continue and journey on the leader. However it is appropriate to bid farewell to another who was revered as well in his world his team and his indigenous people there throughout the world. Hence to the leader Russell Means depart farewell. Return to the place of your origin so that your spirit will fly to the hand of your great father in Heaven. Continue and journey on for good my friend warrior champion and revered one. 
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Turei Metiria: Obituaries — Sir Wilson James Whineray KNZM OBE 
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METIRIA TUREI (Co-Leader—Green) 
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 On behalf of the Greens I stand to support the motion. Sir Wilson Whineray donned the All Black jersey 77 times and led the All Blacks when the pay rate was about $1 a day for a sportsman. But that was not an issue for him; sport was about more than money in those times. He was a man who loved his family his country and his rugby. He did not seem to be a man who courted controversy but he did find himself in one when he captained the 1960 All Blacks tour of South Africa. That tour raised the issue of racism here in New Zealand and led to an increasing awareness of racism both here in Aotearoa and overseas. Aotearoa has moved on from those times and indeed Sir Wilson expressed different views over the 1981 tour. 
As well as Sir Wilson’s great feats as an All Black I think it is worth remembering the good work he did as the chair of the Hillary Commission in the 1990s. He came from an era when people wanted to play sport for the love of it and in his work at the Hillary Commission he set about making certain that young New Zealanders got involved in sport. He realised that for a sports-mad country like Aotearoa to continue to achieve success at the elite level it was important for all New Zealanders to be involved in sport. Fair play coaching administrative support for sports bodies at all levels and programmes for all ages were areas that were greatly developed during Sir Wilson’s time. To Sir Wilson one of the most satisfying aspects of his time at the Hillary Commission was the continuing development in children’s sports: “It is the most rewarding and stimulating part of what we do.” he said. 
Sir Wilson should be remembered therefore not only as a great All Black but as a man who gave back to the community and encouraged all New Zealanders to get out there and participate. On behalf of the Green Party we send our sincere condolences to his family and to his friends. Thank you.
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DAVID SHEARER (Leader of the Opposition) 
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 Today we remember a great New Zealander Sir Wilson Whineray. He was a Kiwi icon who led from the front in everything he did—whether it was rugby business or serving our community. He was a fine man a true leader a great friend to many and dearly loved by his family. I would also like to express my sincere regret at his passing and extend my sympathy to his wife Lady Elisabeth his children his grandchildren his friends and his team-mates. 
Sir Wilson touched the lives of many New Zealanders through his sporting achievements and his outstanding leadership qualities. He touched my life in a very personal way. When I was 8 years old and a rugby fanatic I wrote to Wilson Whineray asking him for his autograph and I enclosed a self-addressed stamped envelope in the hope that I would hear back from him. I was so excited when I received the envelope back in the mail with a little note in it from Wilson Whineray saying that he was pleased to give me his autograph to add to my collection. The fact that he took time to send a note to an 8-year-old is testament to who he was and the way that he lived his life. 
Sir Wilson was not just an All Black great but also a captain of business. When he retired from rugby he carved out a new career for himself gaining an MBA at Harvard University and then went on to work for Alex Harvey Industries which was later to become Carter Holt Harvey. He rose through the ranks to become chairman and held many other positions of responsibility at the National Bank Auckland International Airport and APN News and Media. 
Of course he will always be remembered most by New Zealanders for being one of our greatest All Black captains and a hero on the rugby field. He thoroughly deserved his induction into the International Rugby Board Hall of Fame as recognition for the way he led the All Blacks in 67 tests as captain. He is also respected for the contribution he continued to make to sport even after his retirement from rugby including as chair of the Hillary Commission. His knighthood in 1998 for services to sport and business management was fitting recognition for his contribution to New Zealand. 
I would like to finish by passing on Labour’s sincere condolences to Sir Wilson’s family and friends. I heard him say he hoped he would leave the world a better place for his being here. He achieved that goal with distinction. He will be missed by us all but his legacy on and off the field will never be forgotten. May he rest in peace.
Key John: Obituaries — Sir Wilson James Whineray KNZM OBE 
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Rt Hon JOHN KEY (Prime Minister) 
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 I seek leave to move a motion without notice to acknowledge the death of Sir Wilson Whineray. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Is there any objection to that course of action being followed? There is no objection. 
Rt Hon JOHN KEY 
: I move  
That this House express its sadness at the passing of All Black great Sir Wilson Whineray in Auckland on 22 October aged 77. 
 Sir Wilson Whineray was New Zealand’s longest-serving captain of the All Blacks and a leading businessman. It was with much sadness and deep regret that I learnt of his death yesterday afternoon. I knew Sir Wilson and like many other New Zealanders respected him immensely. 
Sir Wilson played 77 All Blacks matches between 1957 and 1965 including 32 tests. He captained the side 67 times; a remarkable feat given the All Blacks played only two or three test matches a year at that time. He may well have been the greatest All Blacks captain we have ever had. Sir Wilson was named New Zealand Sportsman of the Year in 1965 and was knighted in 1998 for services to sport and business management. 
Regarded as one of the great All Blacks legends Sir Wilson made significant contributions to the community through his work with sport charities and business. His business acumen was hugely respected. He made his mark at APN the New Zealand Wool Marketing Corporation National Bank and Auckland International Airport although most of us remember his time at the helm of Carter Holt Harvey. It is fitting that the only biography of Sir Wilson was titled  
A Perfect Gentleman 
. He was the rare breed of man whose modesty and humility gave no hint of the greatness he had achieved. He lived life to the full and one of his favourite lines was that he did not regret a single day in his life. This is a loss all of New Zealand will feel. 
Sir Wilson is survived by his wife Lady Elisabeth; his son James; two daughters Kristen and Susan; and five grandchildren. Our thoughts are with them at this sad time. On behalf of this House I also extend my deep sympathy and condolences to the friends former team mates and colleagues of Sir Wilson. May he rest in peace.
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BRENDAN HORAN (NZ First) 
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 New Zealand First expresses our condolences on this great loss to Sir Wilson Whineray’s family—his wife Lady Elisabeth his son two daughters and many grandchildren. New Zealand has lost a great man. The words “iconic” and “legend” are often overused. However in the case of Sir Wilson Whineray these two words are very apt. Sir Wilson was distinguished both on and off the field. Despite his numerous achievements he remained a humble man and a strong hero for generations of New Zealanders to aspire to. Sir Wilson Whineray was a truly great New Zealander.
Urgent Debates Declined — State-owned Assets Sales—Potential Legal Challenges 
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Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: I have received a letter from the Hon Clayton Cosgrove seeking to debate under Standing Order 386 Cabinet’s decision today that an Order in Council is to be made to revoke Maori court action. The urgent debate procedure is a means of debating matters that have occurred. For there to be a particular case of recent occurrence there must be either a new situation of importance or a new development in an existing situation of sufficient importance in itself to warrant setting aside the business of the House. A proposal to discuss a continuing matter such as this is not one contemplated by Standing Order 386 as a particular case of recent occurrence. Furthermore an application cannot be accepted when to do so would inevitably involve a breach of the rule against referring to a matter pending adjudication in any court. The application is therefore declined.
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The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: I am sorry to interrupt the member. I am sure the member was just expressing his disappointment about the way that it had gone. That is the end of the matter. The time has come for me to report progress. 
Progress reported. 
Report adopted.
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CHARLES CHAUVEL (Labour) 
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 Mr Chair— 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: I will hear Charles Chauvel. 
CHARLES CHAUVEL 
: My colleague from the Green Party was not disputing what the junior Government whip has just said. What I took him to be objecting to was the fact that Government members chose to decline leave to a proposal that sought to get around the problem that had been identified—that is that spokespeople under this determination of the Business Committee are restricted to—
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LOUISE UPSTON (Junior Whip—National) 
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 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. It is well known that the Business Committee operates on near unanimity. As I have said before there have been lengthy discussions in the Business Committee. It has reached near unanimity on this decision and so I object to that kind of point.
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KEVIN HAGUE (Green) 
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 First of all I wish to register the Green Party’s objection to the Government’s position on this. But I want to— 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Order! You cannot comment on the decision I have made. I am reflecting the Business Committee’s determination. The Business Committee made it and I am here to ensure that that is what we follow. 
KEVIN HAGUE 
: Mr Chair if I could just clarify. I was not objecting to anything about your conduct. I was stating my disappointment that the Government has taken the position that it has.
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The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Leave is sought for that purpose. Is there any objection? There is objection.
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Hon LIANNE DALZIEL (Labour—Christchurch East) 
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 I seek leave that Supplementary Order Paper 113 in my name which amends clause 382 in Part 6 of the bill be debated under Part 6 of the bill.
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LOUISE UPSTON (Junior Whip—National) 
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 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. The Business Committee has spent a significant amount of time working through the logistics of this bill and the Committee stage. I believe we should proceed on that basis given that it has had the agreement of all parties in the House.
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The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Leave is sought for that purpose. Is there any objection? There is no objection. So we go back to new Part 7. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 91 in the name of Iain Lees-Galloway to insert new Part 7 be agreed to.
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The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: I did put leave on the point of order that Charles Chauvel made. I put leave that the spokespeople would be given extra calls. That leave was denied so I have actually done that.
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Hon LIANNE DALZIEL (Labour—Christchurch East) 
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 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. This has certainly come as a bit of a surprise I think to a number of us and I accept that I was not involved in that decision. It simply has come as a bit of a shock so I am trying to see whether we can get our shadow Leader of the House to assist in the matter. But I wondered whether even though obviously we are governed by the decision of the Business Committee there was some opportunity for the Committee to take leave to make any changes to that or are you saying that that cannot be changed even by leave of the Committee?
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The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: It is appropriate to seek leave for that purpose. Is there any objection to that course of action? There is objection.
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KEVIN HAGUE (Green) 
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 I want to support the point of order raised by my colleague Lianne Dalziel. We are in a similar but different situation in that I am the spokesperson for my party on all of the issues associated with this bill so if we were to be confined to four calls per member for this entire part that would restrict us to just four calls and the span of this part is much greater than four calls would suffice for. I know that other parties perhaps New Zealand First would be in a similar position.
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The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: We are in the hands of the determinations of the Business Committee and I will just read what it says: “Part 3 sale and supply of alcohol generally including minimum pricing new clauses 43A 230A and amendments proposed to clauses 267 and 382(1) will be one question.” I understand that the member’s amendments relate to subclause 382(1) and the issue is that if this is taken as one part the maximum number of calls would be four—and this is the point that the member Kevin Hague also made—so you are affected by that. We are governed however by the determination of the Business Committee and the only way I think to deal with that once a debate starts and you have had your four calls would possibly be to seek leave to go beyond the number of four calls. I cannot make rules here to change what the Business Committee has determined so I am actually guided very much by this.
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CHARLES CHAUVEL (Labour) 
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 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. Would it possibly be a solution if I were to apply for the leave of the Committee for spokespeople only to not be affected by the four call limitation in respect of this subpart? If so I so apply.
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Hon LIANNE DALZIEL (Labour—Christchurch East) 
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 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. The reason I just want to have some clarity around this is because my understanding is that we were going to group them into these different areas for the purposes of the debate and the voting so I did not think it was going to be separated off. The reason that I mention this is that I do have an interest in it because the Supplementary Order Paper that is in my name is on minimum pricing which ends up being one of these five different areas of debate. But my amendment would be in Part 6 otherwise except that it is being brought into this part. If that was then to be part of just a single debate for the whole of Part 3 then I would be restricted to four calls when I would have had four calls on my Supplementary Order Paper had it been dealt with in its own part. It has been brought out of Part 6 and brought forward in order to group it with another one for the purposes of debate. No one would have agreed to give up debating time on an important issue in order to move something. For the ease of the Committee I think we have all been agreeable to having the different votes but I never understood that that would actually mean that there would be a restriction to four calls over the five very separate debates that we have agreed to have. Otherwise we would never have agreed to have my Supplementary Order Paper brought forward into the largest part of the bill and removed from Part 6 where it properly sits.