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Scott Lynda: Animal Products (Dairy Products and Other Matters) Bill — In Committee 
Scott Lynda: Animal Products (Dairy Products and Other Matters) Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:624;Page:19144] 
Dr LYNDA SCOTT (National—Kaikoura) 
: 
 This is the title debate and we are very pleased that the title debate now comes at the end. I can remember being in this Chamber and continually having title debates. They were often very amusing especially to members of Parliament but did not have a huge amount of relevance to anything that had gone before. Now that we have the title debate at the end it means we can do a little bit of a summary of what we feel about the Animal Products (Dairy Products and Other Matters) Bill. 
It was interesting listening to my colleague Brian Connell saying he grew up on a dairy farm and to the member from New Zealand First talking about how he had had to milk two cows. Well when I grew up in the Marlborough Sounds I boarded on a farm. One thing that my mother said to me was: “Lynda never learn to milk the cows.” which I thought was quite good advice. It was not so good when at the milking competition at the last A and P show—my having entered it for many years and having got into the finals a couple of times—I had an Ayrshire which managed to kick me in the face and give me serious bruising. That was not such a great event! 
This bill is supported by all members in this Chamber. As the Minister said it is about making sure that all dairy processes from the milking shed and the farm dairy until the dairy product is exported and sent to retail operate under a risk management system. I do hope the Minister’s assurance that the New Zealand Food Safety Authority will continue to work with industry to try to reduce compliance costs and to make businesses in New Zealand more viable will hold true and that we do not see that body becoming just another self-serving bureaucracy rather than being part of the Ministry of Health. The fact is we are an exporting nation and we should think about the fact that we can have year after year of excellent and safe products but it would take only one serious contamination of our products to damage us worldwide. That means that continual vigilance is very important in risk management. 
This bill has been around for a long time since the first public consultation in July 1999. I think that shows how slowly things move through the parliamentary process— 
Dr Paul Hutchison 
: Under the Labour Government. 
Dr LYNDA SCOTT 
: —especially under the Labour Government. But we are trying to get this bill through tonight so that it can become law and so that the industry which is all geared up for this legislation is able to move ahead.
Hunt Jonathan: Voting — Correction 
Hunt Jonathan: Voting — Correction 
[Volume:618;Page:13542] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: When Parliament was in Committee on the Future Directions (Working for Families) Bill the result of the vote on Peter Brown’s proposed amendment to clause 36 was incorrectly announced. The correct result is Ayes 19 Noes 87.
Carter John: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Procedure Referral to Health Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled  Speaker Recalled In Committee Procedure 
Carter John: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Procedure Referral to Health Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled  Speaker Recalled In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:613;Page:9974] 
JOHN CARTER (Senior Whip—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I must say that I anticipated your ruling. I think indeed that some in Parliament may have done so. Given the fact that you are ruling all of them out of order and that there are a whole number of them—I think that in total they probably amount to the hundreds rather than the tens—I wonder whether the House might consider having just one vote on them as a whole. I will seek leave for that to happen so that at least we can vote “Yes” or “No” on them. Even though you have ruled them out of order the Committee could nevertheless give itself leave to vote on them one way or another. I seek leave accordingly to put them all as one vote. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich) 
: I make no comment when leave is sought. Leave has been sought to do that. Is there any objection to that course of action? There appears to be.
Urgent Debates Declined — Algerian Refugee—Ahmed Zaoui 
Urgent Debates Declined — Algerian Refugee—Ahmed Zaoui 
[Volume:612;Page:9315] 
Urgent Debates Declined 
Algerian Refugee—Ahmed Zaoui 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I have received a letter from Keith Locke seeking to debate under Standing Order 376 the transfer of Ahmed Zaoui to Auckland Central Remand Prison. This is a particular case of recent occurrence involving the administrative responsibility of the Government but I do not believe that the transfer of a prisoner requires the immediate attention of the House by way of an urgent debate. The application is declined.
Brown Peter: Naming and Suspension of Member 
Brown Peter: Naming and Suspension of Member 
[Volume:620;Page:15466] 
PETER BROWN (Senior Whip—NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I am sure you will clarify this for me but can you tell me how the Progressive party can vote one way or the other on an incident that has taken place in the House when its members are not in the House. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Please read the new Standing Order which was changed last year. 
Question time resumed.
Hartley Ann: Holidays Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Hartley Ann: Holidays Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:620;Page:15405] 
Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Before I put that motion I have an amendment in the name of the Hon Richard Prebble to refer the bill to the Commerce Committee instead of the Transport and Industrial Relations Committee.
Anderton Jim: Election of Speaker 
Anderton Jim: Election of Speaker 
[Volume:623;Page:18950] 
Hon JIM ANDERTON (Minister for Economic Development) 
: 
 Madam Speaker-Elect the Progressive Party also congratulates you on your election to this high office. I myself believe knowing you as well as I do that you bring to the office the same respect for the affairs of Parliament as your predecessor Jonathan Hunt did. I too noted with a slightly sinking feeling of inferiority that it is not just the top three constitutional positions that are occupied by women; it is now the top four. That is something for the males of the species in here to contemplate. My only comment in congratulating you on your well-deserved success in receiving majority support from the House today to become the first woman Speaker of New Zealand’s Parliament concerns the suggestion by some that you may not have the experience needed to chair the affairs of this House. Those who say that have obviously never experienced the chairing of a Labour Party conference in the 1980s. As the only other member of Parliament here today who has shared that honour I would say—and my experience will attest to the fact—that chairing Parliament will be an absolute piece of cake by comparison. We wish you well.
Hunt Jonathan: Retirement Villages Bill — Second Reading 
Hunt Jonathan: Retirement Villages Bill — Second Reading 
[Volume:609;Page:7031] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: National has not had a male speaker yet. Richard Worth.
List Member Vacancy 
List Member Vacancy 
[Volume:622;Page:17213] 
Tuesday 30 November 2004 
Mr Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Prayers 
. 
List Member Vacancy 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I wish to advise the House that the seat of Donna Awatere Huata became vacant by application of section 55A of the Electoral Act 1993 on 19 November 2004. 
I have been advised by the Chief Electoral Officer that pursuant to section 137 of the Electoral Act 1993 Kenneth Xiaoxuan Wang has been declared to be elected a member of the House of Representatives in place of Donna Lynn Awatere Huata. I understand that Kenneth Wang is present and wishes to affirm. Would he please come forward to the Chair on my right.
Mallard Trevor: General Debates 
Mallard Trevor: General Debates 
[Volume:609;Page:6572] 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Minister of Education) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. This is a matter—[ 
Interruption 
] Can I ask whether you are requiring me to do that. 
Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Yes I am requiring the member to withdraw and apologise.
Catchpole Brent: General Debates 
Catchpole Brent: General Debates 
[Volume:614;Page:10600] 
BRENT CATCHPOLE (NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. I would just like to challenge a point the previous speaker made about No. 13 being an unlucky number. Well I can assure the member that 13 is not an unlucky number. I am here to prove it. 
Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: The member knows that that is not a point of order. 
The debate having concluded the motion lapsed.
Business of the House 
Business of the House 
[Volume:625;Page:20474] 
Business of the House 
PETER BROWN (Senior Whip—NZ First) 
: 
 A few moments ago I was given some very good advice by some of the whips who advised me that when I have a tricky issue it would be well worth talking to them. I am very grateful for that advice. I seek leave again for the Rt Hon Winston Peters’ member’s bill the Principles of the Treaty of Waitangi Deletion Bill to be deferred or postponed until the next members’ day.  
GERRY BROWNLEE (Deputy Leader—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I presume that if the House does give leave for this the Government—recognising that the circumstances have changed somewhat—might be prepared to give members the time that is taken up with these reports on the Order Paper some other time. 
With all due respect to New Zealand First if we cut this out today then we cut out our own opportunities by a couple of hours for whatever remains of members’ day for the rest of the year. I know that the Principles of the Treaty of Waitangi Deletion Bill is pretty important to New Zealand First. I have publicly acknowledged on numerous occasions that the bill is in the name of Winston Peters and that we are supporting it. But I wonder whether we might get some explanation of why the bill ended up on the Order Paper today when there are members’ bills below the line that could have come up had we known sooner. It just seems to me a strange quirk of the parliamentary system that at the last minute we cost ourselves some time. I know that members have to give approval but I would suggest in granting this leave the House might consider moving the Human Rights (Gender Identity) Amendment Bill back on to the Order Paper. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I thank the honourable member for his contribution but that is actually a matter for the Government to decide not for the Speaker. 
GERRY BROWNLEE 
: No it is members’ day it is for the House to decide. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson: 
 It is a member’s bill and therefore it is a matter for the member in charge. Would Mr Brown seek leave again please. 
PETER BROWN (Deputy Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 I seek leave for the Principles of the Treaty of Waitangi Deletion Bill to be deferred to the next members’ day. 
Gerry Brownlee 
: We ask for a reason otherwise we just get confused. 
PETER BROWN 
: I am prepared to give a reason. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Please do. 
PETER BROWN 
: I did actually outline this in my previous request for leave. We made an error of judgment. We did not anticipate the urgent debate and we were hopeful that Mr Peters’ bill would come up before the tea break. He has travel arrangements this evening to be somewhere else tomorrow so we are seeking leave to postpone the bill to the next members’ day. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Is there any objection to that course of action being taken? There is objection.
Vote: Public Finance (State Sector Management) Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Public Finance (State Sector Management) Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:622;Page:17936] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That schedule 1 as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 70 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 50 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 9; Maori Party 1. 
Schedule 1 as amended agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 315 in the name of the Hon Dr Michael Cullen to schedule 2 and the following amendments in his name to Part 1 of schedule 2 be agreed to: 
to omit the item relating to section 195B(5) of the Education Act 1989; 
to omit the item relating to the Police Complaints Authority Act 1988; and 
to omit from the item relating to section 39A(3) of the Reserves Act 1977 the expression “section 44” and substitute the expression “section 45O”.
Hunt Jonathan: Speaker’s Rulings — Matter Awaiting Adjudication 
Hunt Jonathan: Speaker’s Rulings — Matter Awaiting Adjudication 
[Volume:614;Page:10353] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I wish to refer to a matter that was raised by Mr Brownlee yesterday. Mr Brownlee raised a point of order relating to a question that was returned to him because it referred to a case pending adjudication before a court. He asked for advice on how he could approach the matter he wishes to ask a question about. I do not understand Mr Brownlee to be challenging the applicability of the sub judice Standing Orders in this case. I do not accept the argument that it is anomalous that the news media can discuss something that is not open to members to raise. The fact is that Parliament sets higher standards for itself than does the news media. With regard to matters awaiting adjudication these standards have regard to the constitutional relationship between Parliament and the courts—see Speaker’s ruling 6/2 (Supplement).
Vote: Taxation (Annual Rates Venture Capital and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Taxation (Annual Rates Venture Capital and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:621;Page:16508] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand Labour 51; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 59 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; ACT New Zealand 8; Maori Party 1; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Motion agreed to.
Hutchison Paul: Care of Children Bill — Instruction to Committee Procedure In Committee 
Hutchison Paul: Care of Children Bill — Instruction to Committee Procedure In Committee 
[Volume:621;Page:16633] 
Dr PAUL HUTCHISON (National—Port Waikato) 
: 
 I seek leave to table a series of papers relating to the speech I gave prior to the previous speaker. The first is from the  
Wanganui Chronicle 
 and has the headline: “Child ‘lucky’ couple narrowly escape jail for cruelty to daughter”. The second concerns the Crown prosecutor Michelle Howard and is a letter from me dated 23 June 2004 requiring that she instigate a appeal. The third document is from Andrew Cameron Crown solicitor confirming that a sentence appeal is appropriate. The fourth one is from the Minister of Justice Phil Goff and is dated 12 days after the appeal time had run out. The fifth is from the Deputy Solicitor-General advising that the appeal would not proceed. The sixth is from the neuropsychologist involved with the case. The seventh one is from KidzFirst Children’s Hospital advising of the injuries sustained to this little girl. 
Documents by leave laid on the Table of the House.
Hunt Jonathan: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Hunt Jonathan: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:423;Page:18530] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I can assure the member that I had given Mr Hide a very very long piece of rope before I stepped in.
Tamihere John: Third Readings 
Tamihere John: Third Readings 
[Volume:607;Page:4339] 
Hon JOHN TAMIHERE (Minister of Youth Affairs) 
: 
 I commend this legislation to the House. I am grateful to acknowledge that two-thirds of it is in favour of the taxpayer. It does a number of matters that my learned colleague Dr Cullen expressed to the House in the first and second readings and in the Committee stage. I would like to make one point. One-third of the legislation does concentrate somewhat on the taxation of Maori authorities. That matter has been long outstanding since 1939 and Maori organisations and authorities will play a significant role in the economic roll-out of this nation. I commend the legislation to the House accordingly.
Burton Mark: Ngaa Rauru Kiitahi Claims Settlement Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Burton Mark: Ngaa Rauru Kiitahi Claims Settlement Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:627;Page:21857] 
Hon MARK BURTON (Minister in charge of Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations) 
: 
 I move  
That it be an instruction to the Committee of the whole House on the Ngaa Rauru Kiitahi Claims Settlement Bill that it take the bill part by part. 
Motion agreed to.
Hereora Dave: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Hereora Dave: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:609;Page:6207] 
8.  
DAVE HEREORA (NZ Labour) 
 to the  
Minister of Customs 
: Has he received any reports on trends in the importation of substances intended for the production of methamphetamine? 
Hon RICK BARKER (Minister of Customs) 
: 
 The Customs Service has reported that in the first half of this year it has already seized 315000 ephedrine and pseudoephedrine-based tablets compared with 254000 in 2002 and just 32600 in 2001. This methamphetamine would have a street value of approximately $1 million. 
Dave Hereora 
: To what factors has the Customs Service attributed this sharp rise in its seizure figures of those substances? 
Hon RICK BARKER 
: The service believes that the sharp rise in the supply of illicit precursor substances from overseas is because the domestic supply of these products is being tightened up by the police working with pharmacists. Local methamphetamine producers have turned elsewhere to secure the necessary precursor supplies to continue this extremely profitable but highly illegal criminal enterprise.
Vote: Holidays Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Holidays Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:620;Page:16040] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 83 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 37 
New Zealand National 27; ACT New Zealand 8; Maori Party 1; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Amendment agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 278 in the name of Dr Wayne Mapp to insert a definition of  
ordinary daily pay  
in clause 2A be agreed to.
Shirley Ken: Christchurch City Council (Robert McDougall Gallery) Land Vesting Bill — Procedure Second Reading 
Shirley Ken: Christchurch City Council (Robert McDougall Gallery) Land Vesting Bill — Procedure Second Reading 
[Volume:611;Page:8803] 
Hon KEN SHIRLEY (Deputy Leader—ACT NZ) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I understood that there were two stages here. He was firstly going to withdraw the original tabling and leave has been granted for that and it has now been withdrawn. The second step was that the Deputy Leader of the House was going to seek leave to table the draft minutes— 
Hon Mark Burton 
: I’ve already done that. I did that before. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Clem Simich) 
: He did it earlier but if that is unclear to members—
Education (Export Education Levy) Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee 
Education (Export Education Levy) Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee 
[Volume:619;Page:14747] 
Education (Export Education Levy) Amendment Bill 
Instruction to Committee 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Minister of Education) 
: 
 I move  
That it be an instruction to the Committee of the whole House on the Education (Export Education Levy) Amendment Bill that it consider the bill part by part. 
Motion agreed to.
Hartley Ann: Visitors — Delegation from the Senate of the State of California United States of America Members of the Committee of the Office of the Deputy Prime Minister from the House of Commons United Kingdom 
Hartley Ann: Visitors — Delegation from the Senate of the State of California United States of America Members of the Committee of the Office of the Deputy Prime Minister from the House of Commons United Kingdom 
[Volume:621;Page:17013] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: I also have pleasure in informing members that members of the Committee of the Office of the Deputy Prime Minister from the House of Commons United Kingdom are present in the gallery. I am sure that members would wish that delegation to be welcomed.
Vote: Corrections Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Procedure 
Vote: Corrections Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:617;Page:13047] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 8. 
Noes 61 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 8; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Marc Alexander to clause 212 be agreed to: 
to omit subclause (2) and substitute the following new subclause: 
(2)Persons are entitled to compensation for loss of office as a Visiting Justice.
Power Simon: Speaker’s Rulings — Stranger in the Lobbies—President of Council of Trade Unions  
Power Simon: Speaker’s Rulings — Stranger in the Lobbies—President of Council of Trade Unions  
[Volume:620;Page:16103] 
SIMON POWER (National—Rangitikei) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. Thank you for your ruling. I just seek a couple of points of clarification if I may. Firstly are you advising the House that Mr Ross Wilson was here not at the invitation of a Minister but of a member? 
Mr SPEAKER 
: That is what I said. 
SIMON POWER 
: Thank you. Secondly since that is the case in accordance with the guidance that you gave at the commencement of question time today does that mean that we now have a situation whereby a particular member is in breach of Standing Order 42? And what avenues are available to members of the Opposition in that case?
Cunliffe David: Budget Debate 
Cunliffe David: Budget Debate 
[Volume:625;Page:20789] 
Hon DAVID CUNLIFFE (Associate Minister of Finance) 
: 
 In response to this excellent balanced foresighted Budget the public wants to know one thing: where is National’s policy? Where is John Key? We endured 20 minutes of Don Brash being uncomfortable. We heard from John Carter—that speech was scintillating! Now we have had the soufflé that cannot rise twice. 
Darren Hughes 
: He couldn’t rise once actually. 
Hon DAVID CUNLIFFE 
: He did not do too well the first time—that is why the National caucus is the size that it is. 
Where is John Key? I know where he is. He is out the back sweating. He is sweating because he knows that he does not have room for his favourite tax cut without cutting the 1000 new police the 400 new teachers the $450 million of defence spending and the $1000 for every Kiwi who wants to become a KiwiSaver. He is saying: “Oh my God! I promised a tax cut in addition to the $1.4 billion worth of tax cuts in this Budget for business.” It has suddenly dawned on him because he is probably honest enough to know that he does not have any room. This Budget is already spending all the cash there is for Kiwi families and Kiwi mums and dads. 
This is a Labour Budget this is a good Budget this is a Cullen Budget—and this is a balanced prudent far-sighted and superb Labour Government. 
The National Opposition has said that there is no growth. That is a bit rich coming from a party that in the first 5 years of the 1990s presided over growth of below 2 percent when ours has averaged about 4 percent. Those members have said that there is no tax relief but this is the single biggest business tax cut in the 6 years that Labour has been in Government. 
Opposition members say that we are not doing enough for industry but this Budget contains a package that includes a digital strategy that will lift the products of our information and communications technology sector to world standards. 
Debate interrupted.
Vote: Maori Television Service Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Maori Television Service Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:607;Page:5075] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendmentsbe agreed to. 
Ayes 61 
Labour 52; Green Party 9. 
Noes 49 
New Zealand National 23; New Zealand First 12; ACT New Zealand 6; United Future 8. 
Amendments agreed to.
Vote: Health Practitioners Competence Assurance Bill Health and Disability Commissioner Amendment Bill Medicines Amendment Bill — Third Readings 
Vote: Health Practitioners Competence Assurance Bill Health and Disability Commissioner Amendment Bill Medicines Amendment Bill — Third Readings 
[Volume:611;Page:8636] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Medicines Amendment Bill be now read a third time. 
Ayes 70 
Labour 52; Green Party 8; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 45 
New Zealand National 25; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 7. 
Bill read a third time.
Tizard Judith: Standing Orders—Sessional 
Tizard Judith: Standing Orders—Sessional 
[Volume:614;Page:10751] 
Hon JUDITH TIZARD (Minister of Consumer Affairs) 
 on behalf of the 
 Leader of the House 
: I seek leave for the subject areas of the Government Administration Committee the Justice and Electoral Committee and the Law and Order Committee and the terms of reference of the Officers of Parliament Committee and the Regulations Review Committee to be amended to reflect the Standing Orders as amended with effect on 10 February 2004. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Is there any objection to that course being followed? There appears to be none.
Ward Mike: Dog Control Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Ward Mike: Dog Control Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:613;Page:9882] 
MIKE WARD (Green) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. Is there any chance of putting the amendments separately—at least the one regarding the compulsory microchipping? 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: The Minister has indicated that he wishes them to be grouped so that is the way it is being done. If the Minister wishes to change his mind that is up to him.
Cosgrove Clayton: Building Bill — In Committee Procedure 
Cosgrove Clayton: Building Bill — In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:619;Page:14841] 
CLAYTON COSGROVE (Labour—Waimakariri) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Vote: Parole (Extended Supervision) and Sentencing Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Parole (Extended Supervision) and Sentencing Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:618;Page:14166] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 57 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Noes 62 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 228 in the name of Stephen Franks to clause 6 be agreed to.
Peck Mark: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Peck Mark: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:615;Page:10879] 
12. H V ROSS ROBERTSON (Labour—Manukau East) 
 on behalf of  
MARK PECK (Labour—Invercargill) 
 to the  
Associate Minister of Energy 
: Has he received any reports on recent interest in petroleum exploration in New Zealand? 
Hon HARRY DUYNHOVEN (Associate Minister of Energy) 
: 
 On Thursday I was pleased to announce that 13 petroleum exploration permits have been awarded in the Taranaki region involving over $130 million in new investment. This was a competitive bidding round with 23 bids received and exploration permits awarded to local and international companies including some that are new to New Zealand. 
H V Ross Robertson 
: What other work is the Government undertaking to ensure New Zealand remains an internationally competitive destination for petroleum exploration? 
Hon HARRY DUYNHOVEN 
: Although comparative economic reviews show New Zealand’s permit allocation and royalty regime to be one of the most favourable in the world the Government is actively involved in dialogue with the Petroleum Exploration Association of New Zealand and other potential explorers to identify and to consider additional changes to the broader investment framework that may increase petroleum investment.
Cullen Michael: Business Statement 
Cullen Michael: Business Statement 
[Volume:621;Page:16381] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 Next week the House will go into a 1-week adjournment. When the House resumes on Tuesday 2 November priority will be given to the first reading of the NgatiTuwharetoa (Bay of Plenty) Claims Settlement Bill and to the remaining stages of the Parental Leave and Employment Protection Amendment Bill the Taxation (Annual Rates Venture Capital and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill and the Care of Children Bill.
Business Statement 
Business Statement 
[Volume:610;Page:7291] 
Thursday 24 July 2003 
Mr Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Prayers 
. 
Business Statement 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 Next week in the House the main items of business will be the remaining stages of the State Sector Amendment Bill; the first readings of the Diplomatic Privileges and Immunities Amendment Bill the Lawyers and Conveyancers Bill the Railways Bill and the Civil Aviation Amendment Bill; and the second reading of the Crown Minerals Amendment Bill. Wednesday is a members’ day. Moana Mackey will be sworn in on Tuesday and it is expected that her maiden speech will be on Wednesday. 
Hon RICHARD PREBBLE (Leader—ACT NZ) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. Even if the National Party does not want to ask some questions about next week’s business I would like to do so. I would like to have an assurance from the Leader of the House that we will not have a bill presented to the House with regard to Mr Duynhoven before the Privileges Committee has considered the matter and reported back to the House. 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 Certainly I have no intention of introducing legislation before the Privileges Committee has considered the matter.
Hunt Jonathan: Speaker’s Rulings — Stranger in the Lobbies—President of Council of Trade Unions  
Hunt Jonathan: Speaker’s Rulings — Stranger in the Lobbies—President of Council of Trade Unions  
[Volume:620;Page:16103] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I was asked to rule on the presence of the president of the Council of Trade Unions in a room off the Ayes lobby. I understand that the person concerned was escorted to the room by a member of the House. On that basis the person’s entry to the lobby was not challenged. The member however should not have brought the person into the lobby in that way. Ministers are entitled to have advisers present in the lobby and on the right of the chair when a bill is being considered by the House and had the president been present in that capacity as an invited adviser there could have been no objection to his presence. But that was not the case here. I remind members that while the House is sitting they should not bring other persons into the lobbies except where that person is acting as an adviser to a Minister or member in charge of a bill. A further point was raised about the visitor’s identity card. He did have a proper identity card for entry to the building but as I have said that did not authorise access to the lobbies.
Vote: Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims Bill — In Committee Procedure Third Reading 
Vote: Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims Bill — In Committee Procedure Third Reading 
[Volume:626;Page:20987] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 57 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 9; United Future 8. 
Noes 62 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Marc Alexander to clause 21 be agreed to: 
to omit subparagraph (i) of paragraph (b) and substitute the following new subparagraph: 
(i)the close of the day that is 16 months after the sending date of the previous notice; and.
Newman Muriel: Families Commission Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Procedure 
Newman Muriel: Families Commission Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:614;Page:10308] 
Dr MURIEL NEWMAN (ACT) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Chairperson. I might have misheard but I thought that the member did actually seek leave and I thought that the question of leave should be put. 
Jill Pettis 
: He was only joking. 
Dr MURIEL NEWMAN 
: No he sought leave. Maybe Madam Chair you could get the member to clarify that. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: No I have ruled on it. The member was speaking to a non-existent point of order. 
Murray Smith 
: Madam Chair I did seek leave for an extension. I did so at the invitation of New Zealand First whose members want to hear more of what I have to say. I will seek leave. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: The member has sought leave for an extension of time. He really should just seek another call—that is what he should be doing. But he can seek leave. Is there any objection to that? There is.
Catchpole Brent: Biosecurity Amendment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
Catchpole Brent: Biosecurity Amendment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:609;Page:7054] 
BRENT CATCHPOLE (NZ First) 
: Sandra Goudie had some very good points there particularly with regard to the time delay. Clause 2 states that the bill will come in immediately but that should have been 2 years ago as Sandra Goudie said. This Government sat on its hands for 2 years and waited. It—wait for it—commissioned a report to see how well biosecurity was doing. That report told us what we already knew from the experience of departments sitting on their hands and doing nothing about all the other incursions. This report told us that biosecurity management was a disaster. In the meantime the Government waited for that report before this bill came back to the Chamber. The bill came back and now is coming into force immediately after it receives the royal assent. That royal assent should have been given to the bill 2 years ago. The Government should not wait for these reports. They should bring the bill to the House not wait for these reports. The Government waited as it did with the painted apple moth because it did not know whether it should eradicate it or just contain it. 
In the meantime the painted apple moth spread rapidly. Then when the Government finally decided it was going to eradicate it the moth had gone way beyond the area the Government had decided to eradicate it from. So by sitting and waiting by sitting on this bill and not allowing it to come back to the House the Government has left the door open for other incursions to spread. 
We have heard here tonight of numerous incursions. The varroa bee mite has spread throughout the country because the Government was not sure whether it should be eradicating it or just containing it. In the meantime it got into the feral bee population and spread throughout that population which meant it was no longer possible to eradicate it from the natural hives because they are too numerous. So by waiting 2 years to bring this bill back to the House the Government has wasted a lot of time and allowed a lot more incursions to spread.
Peters Jim: Dog Control Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Peters Jim: Dog Control Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:613;Page:9858] 
JIM PETERS (NZ First) 
: 
 The history of dog control issues is almost as long as the last decade—in fact as I said in the second reading debate it goes back to 1991. The other issue which was the major issue then was breed-related with regard to the supposed impact of dangerous dogs. That was heightened after 1997 after the death of Mr Dinsdale and the supposed belief that pit bull terriers had been part of that death and resulted in the select committee being set up that put together Parts 1 2 and 3 of the original Dog Control Bill in 1999. 
As I said in the second reading I think it is important to go through the history of the bill as we consider the parts under the title of Dog Control Bill because the issue really was then one of control. The issue was whether it was to be a direct control. If we are looking at the title that could be. The aspect of universal microchipping has now been advanced. But the issues we were concerned about in the select committee were to modify and to make good the bill as it was in the committee and that met with most of our support. 
New Zealand First has taken a position on microchipping that is unrelated to the Minister’s stance because when we looked at the cost of the microchipping suggestions that were made in this bill we considered they were too costly for a few thousand dogs at the very most. The establishment of a national data register and what that meant in terms of technology was a costly exercise and in this case would be met by either the taxpayer or the ratepayer. We will come to that as we go through that part of the bill. New Zealand First has found that this is basically a Dog Control Bill. Microchipping is not a control issue. Perhaps that should have been added to the title of the bill because strictly speaking that comes under registration. This bill could have been called the “Dog Control Amendment and Registration Bill” and that would have met the terms not only of this debate but also of the bill more strictly as it will be in its final form. On behalf of New Zealand First and like others on the committee we arrived here with a bill that generally enjoys consensus. The title is one that we agree with and we are pleased to support the bill further. 
Clause 1 agreed to.
Voting — Correction 
Voting — Correction 
[Volume:609;Page:6561] 
Voting 
Correction 
GORDON COPELAND (Whip—United Future) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I seek leave to alter three United Future votes that were taken in the Committee of the whole House yesterday on the Injury Prevention Rehabilitation and Compensation Amendment Bill. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to adjust votes from the Committee of the whole House. In actual fact I think it makes little difference to the outcome. It is just that one vote was cast for the Ayes and should have been cast for the Noes. Is there any objection to that? Please read the three out. 
GORDON COPELAND 
: On the question that Part 2 stand part United Future voted for the Ayes. The vote should have been for the Noes. The result was announced as: Ayes 69 Noes 47. The result would now be: Ayes 61 Noes 55. On the question that Part 3 stand part United Future voted for the Ayes. The vote should have been for the Noes. The result was announced as: Ayes 69 Noes 44. The result would now be: Ayes 61 Noes 52. On the question that the schedule stand part United Future voted for the Ayes. The vote should have been for the Noes. The result was announced as: Ayes 69 Noes 44. The result would now be: Ayes 61 Noes 52. I would like to apologise to the House for the inconvenience. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The Journals will be adjusted accordingly. Is there any objection to the question of leave? There is not.
Shirley Ken: Points of Order — Minister of Maori Affairs—Answer to Question 
Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume 
Shirley Ken: Points of Order — Minister of Maori Affairs—Answer to Question 
[Sitting date: 19 June 2003. Volume:609;Page:6415. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon KEN SHIRLEY (Deputy Leader—ACT NZ) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I am seeking clarification on that point because this is the confusion. The Minister used the word “directly” and it is a question of whether that means directly in time and that is fairly vague. It is almost akin to saying “shortly after” because we actually do not know what it means. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The Minister was directed by me to provide a reply as soon as reasonably possible. He did so between 11.00 and 11.30 today. As far as I am concerned although it might not satisfy the questioner that is a matter between the questioner and the Minister.
Hartley Ann: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
Hartley Ann: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
[Volume:618;Page:14318] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: I say to Mr Peters that I have given a fair bit of latitude in this discussion. I am saying very clearly that it is up to the Chair to declare the result. I am now proceeding with the party vote.
Cullen Michael: Business Statement 
Cullen Michael: Business Statement 
[Volume:615;Page:11581] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I think reasonable progress has been made in the last 4 weeks without any urgency but the Government has a very busy programme coming up in the next 4-week session so members can anticipate the probability of some urgency in the third week of that session with the intention being to lift the House by 6 o’clock on Friday.
Vote: Building Bill — In Committee Procedure 
Vote: Building Bill — In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:619;Page:14829] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 49 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Noes 70 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 239 in the name of Sue Kedgley to add new subparagraph (iii) to clause 195(1)(a) be agreed to.
Business of Select Committees — Meetings 
Business of Select Committees — Meetings 
[Volume:627;Page:21739] 
Business of Select Committees 
Meetings 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 Following consultation with the whips of all parties I seek leave for the Standing Orders Committee to meet at 6 p.m. this evening. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: Is there any objection to that course being followed? There is no objection.
Benson-Pope David: Hazardous Substances and New Organisms (Stockholm Convention) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Benson-Pope David: Hazardous Substances and New Organisms (Stockholm Convention) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:606;Page:3666] 
DAVID BENSON-POPE (NZ Labour—Dunedin South) 
: 
 I am pleased to rise in support of this legislation. In terms of the timing the sooner the two matters are sent to the select committee the sooner we will be able to make the ratifications necessary.
Vote: Aquaculture Reform Bill — Second Reading Instructions to Committee In Committee 
Vote: Aquaculture Reform Bill — Second Reading Instructions to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:622;Page:17720] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 36 
New Zealand National 27; ACT New Zealand 9. 
Noes 83 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 319 in the name of the Hon David Benson-Pope to Part 1 be agreed to.
Power Simon: Taxation (Annual Rates Venture Capital and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill — In Committee 
Power Simon: Taxation (Annual Rates Venture Capital and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:622;Page:17368] 
SIMON POWER (Senior Whip—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I apologise for not raising this at the time that the vote was put on Part 4 standing part but after receiving advice from the Clerk I have only now had an opportunity to look at the Standing Orders. 
The Clerk has advised me that the vote on Part 4 standing part was 59 all. Standing Order 298(1) indicates—and this is the advice that the Clerk gave me—that where a question is proposed that each clause stand part or as amended stand part in the case of a tie the clause part schedule or any other provision stands part of the bill. In other words it progresses at that point. The question I have is this. Standing Order 154 makes it clear that in the case of a tie on a vote the question is lost. The question for you to rule on Mr Chairman concerns which of those Standing Orders takes precedence in this case. It would seem to me at first glance that as Standing Order 154 was obviously a Standing Order before Standing Order 298 it may carry substantially more weight than a latterly agreed to Standing Order. I see the Leader of the House who is also the Minister in the chair shaking his head. He is probably offering the alternative view that a later Standing Order clarifies an earlier one. But from the point that that vote was taken and the 59-all draw was called on the part there has been some confusion on these benches as to what that means for the progress of that part. I would seek your clarification on that particularly in light of Standing Order 154.
Electricity and Gas Industries Bill — Instruction to Committee 
Electricity and Gas Industries Bill — Instruction to Committee 
[Volume:619;Page:15276] 
Electricity and Gas Industries Bill 
Instruction to Committee 
Hon MARK BURTON (Acting Leader of the House) 
: 
 I move  
That it be an instruction to the Committee of the whole House on the Electricity and Gas Industries Bill that it take the bill part by part. 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the motion be agreed to. 
Ayes 71 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2; Maori Party 1. 
Noes 48 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8. 
Motion agreed to.
Vote: Injury Prevention Rehabilitation and Compensation Amendment Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Injury Prevention Rehabilitation and Compensation Amendment Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:609;Page:6500] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 2 be agreed to. 
Ayes 61 
Labour 52; Green Party 9. 
Noes 55 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 12; ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 8. 
Part 2 agreed to.
Horomia Parekura: Maori Fisheries Bill — First Reading 
Horomia Parekura: Maori Fisheries Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:614;Page:10485] 
Hon PAREKURA HOROMIA (Acting Minister of Fisheries) 
: 
 I move  
That the Maori Fisheries Bill be considered by a committee to be established 
.
Vote: Status of Redundancy Payments Bill — First Reading 
Vote: Status of Redundancy Payments Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:606;Page:4048] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the motion as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 60 
Noes 57 
Motion as amended agreed to and bill referred to the Commerce Committee.. 
Labour 52; United Future 8. 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; Green Party 9.
Carter John: General Debates 
Carter John: General Debates 
[Volume:616;Page:11931] 
JOHN CARTER (Senior Whip—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. As Mr Brownlee left the Chamber he made a comment about an action that he intends to take and it is his right to take that action. He is entitled to lay down a notice of motion if he wishes to and the House will deal with it in one way or another. That is for the House to decide. It is certainly not in any way to be considered as a threat or as has been suggested as an issue or a statement the member should be asked to withdraw and apologise for.
Tisch Lindsay: Debate on Crown Entities Public Organisations  and State Enterprises — In Committee 
Tisch Lindsay: Debate on Crown Entities Public Organisations  and State Enterprises — In Committee 
[Volume:626;Page:21301] 
LINDSAY TISCH (Junior Whip—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. If we do not speak to it are we able to vote on it? 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich) 
: Yes.
Hunt Jonathan: Visitors — Australia—Treasurer of the Commonwealth 
Hunt Jonathan: Visitors — Australia—Treasurer of the Commonwealth 
[Volume:623;Page:18737] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I have much pleasure in informing members that the Hon Peter Costello Treasurer of the Commonwealth of Australia is within the precincts of this Chamber. I am sure that members would wish that he be welcomed and accorded a seat on the left of the Chair.