Supplementary Estimates — Imprest Supply Debate 
Supplementary Estimates — Imprest Supply Debate 
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Supplementary Estimates 
Imprest Supply Debate 
Hon BILL ENGLISH (Minister of Finance) 
: 
 I move  
That the Appropriation (2008/09 Supplementary Estimates) Bill and the Imprest Supply (First for 2009/10) Bill be now read a second time 
. The presentation of these bills to Parliament is an opportunity to reflect on the drastic change in the fiscal outlook that has occurred in the last 8 months in New Zealand. Back in 2008 the Government was forecasting fiscal surpluses with some cash deficits over the next 4 years. In Budget 2009 because of the impact of both the New Zealand domestic recession—in train since the beginning of 2008—and the later impact of the global recession that fiscal outlook has changed dramatically. The Budget outlined plans that show that the Government now faces 10 years of deficits and more than a doubling of public debt. That is after making substantial decisions in respect of tax deductions contributions to the New Zealand Superannuation Fund and other decisions including having a smaller operational allowance for new spending for Budgets over the next 10 years. 
It is important to remember that surpluses give us positive choices; deficits tend to give us more difficult choices. The Government has started out on a process that reflects the reality that fiscal constraint is now a permanent part of the Government’s plans. That is not a matter of ideological conviction or the democratic choices that the public make about Governments; it is the way the world has changed and it is a product of past misdirected policy under the previous Government. 
A bit of analysis of Government spending shows that the Government’s books are now significantly out of balance. Over recent years entitlements and Government spending have grown rapidly particularly under the Labour Government since the 2005 election. The effect of this is that when we calculate what is called the primary balance—that is Government revenue and expenditure excluding finance costs—we see that it is now significantly larger than anything that the New Zealand Government has seen in the last 25 or 30 years. Certainly the primary deficit is significantly larger than it was in the late 1980s which was the last time close attention was paid to New Zealand’s fiscal situation and a lot of Government policies were focused on remedying that outlook. 
The Government made a critical decision in respect of the Budget which is reflected in these bills and that was to continue with the election undertakings that it had made. This has the effect that through this next financial year the Government will continue to grow public spending at a fairly significant rate. We are doing that because we believe that it is important to support the economy through the most difficult part of this recession which we are in now. This will be a very tough 12 months; we have already seen rising unemployment and dropping tax revenues. At the same time we have set out a plan to get on top of rising debt over time. 
It is important to remember just how we got here and whom people should look to when they realise that they have to deal with some difficult issues. The last Government left this economy in much worse shape than its members believed and certainly in much worse shape than the public were led to believe. It is pretty straightforward: the economy was in recession through 2008 and that recession was caused by domestic excesses. Those excesses consisted of rapid growth in Government spending a lot of misdirected spending by the Government an asset bubble in the housing market a record current account deficit and appallingly low productivity growth through that time. Those factors left this economy in a weak state to handle the onset of the global recession. 
To turn to the Government books I say that this Government has had to deal with the global recession in the context of Government books that were already headed into deficit despite 10 of the best years of economic conditions that this country could have enjoyed. It meant that in Government we found ourselves starting not from the start line but from way behind. There was a dysfunctional immigration service a dysfunctional corrections service and a health and education sector that had been pumped up with large increases in funding and negative productivity growth. 
We have had to deal with particularly bad decisions around investment and a shortfall in accident compensation funding of $300 million a year—or $1 billion over the forecast period covered by the Budget—just because of neglect and bad management. KiwiRail was a black hole if ever there was one. The previous Government decided it was worth $700 million plus a set of concessions to the previous owners and it seemed to be intent on setting it up as a Government department. We have had to contribute something like $145 million to keep it running. We will have to put some basic investment into it next year but over the next few years that looks to be nothing like enough. So we have to clean up that particular mess. 
Along with that a whole set of regulatory changes were made that treated businesses as golden gooses that would keep laying eggs but that needed to be punished in case they were too successful. We have had to initiate sweeping regulatory reforms in order to create the kind of business environment where people will invest so that we can have employment because it is not until businesses invest that we can get the unemployment rate down. There will not be one new job until a business decides to invest and to employ someone. 
When people are concerned about the choices the Government is making they should lay the blame for that concern at the feet of Labour. We are cleaning up a mess left by an economically illiterate and fiscally reckless Government. Cleaning up that mess was always going to involve some difficult choices but the fact that the global recession has come on top of that will really test our capacity. 
I am impressed with the way that much of the Civil Service has decided to shift its framework now that the outlook has changed—not just the change in Government but the change in the economy. However some parts of the Civil Service do need to adjust a bit more to the realities. 
This Government has strongly supported the police. We are pouring millions of dollars into the police force in order to help the police to do their job. We are pouring money into Tasers so that police can be safer and into DNA testing in order to give them more capacity to resolve crimes. However I am not sure that the police are in step with the public in looking for a 4 percent pay increase. The police get a 2 percent pay increase regardless. That increase by any standard in respect of the rest of the community is quite generous especially compared with people who are losing their jobs and taking pay cuts. The Police Association is claiming 2 percent above that. This part of the public sector probably has the most secure jobs in New Zealand. The New Zealand Police has the strongest political backing of any Government department with the Government pouring so much money into the police and I think the association would do well to check whether it is reflecting the views of its membership and the communities that those members are serving. 
This legislation is part of a programme that the Government has embarked on to get the books back in order but more important it is the first step in a 3 to 5-year programme to deliver smarter and better public services to the public for the same or less funding. It is going to be a challenge but it is one we are up to. Just a few years ago Government departments were spending considerably less than they are now—in some departments it was 30 percent or 40 percent less—and at that time they were meeting many of the needs of the public. Those needs are going to grow in the recession; we are determined to meet them. 
Hon DAVID PARKER (Labour) 
: 
 The previous speech by the Minister of Finance Bill English should be contrasted with what he was saying before the election as the Opposition spokesperson on finance. He was saying to the electorate that they could have everything that they had under Labour plus tax cuts. He was not saying that the social spending or tax credits that surround both Working for Families and KiwiSaver were profligate. He told people that those policies were there they were secure they were good policies and people could rely upon National to protect them and superannuation—people could have everything they had under Labour plus tax cuts. 
He was warned before the election by journalists that Lehman Brothers had failed and the IMF was giving warnings of a major slowdown in the world economy. Those facts were put to Mr English when he was the Opposition spokesperson on finance and he was asked whether as a consequence the promises that he was making were unrealistic and unaffordable. He denied that they were. He made promises that he knew could not be kept in order to win the Treasury benches. Straight after the election we were here under urgency passing legislation for those unaffordable tax cuts. Not only were those tax cuts unaffordable but also they were so weighted to those who were already well off that they were terribly unfair. They were patently unaffordable and that was proven within 6 short months when we were back here in this Chamber reversing some of those tax cuts that we had voted for under urgency prior to Christmas. 
The Minister of Finance continues to pretend that his Government inherited a difficult set of cards but his Government inherited one of the best fiscal positions in the Western World. The third-lowest Government debt in the OECD is a wonderful set of cards to inherit in a time of recession not a difficult set of cards. The Minister has had more room to move than virtually every other Minister of Finance in the developed world. He should not complain to members of the previous Labour Government that we left a situation that was in a parlous state because nothing could be further from the truth. When Mr English last left Government—he was Minister of Finance in the last National Government—the Labour Government inherited Government debt of 38 percent of GDP. When the Labour Government gave back the Treasury benches to the National Government following the last election the National Government inherited Government debt that was less than 18 percent of GDP. 
Today the Prime Minister heralded the fact that New Zealand’s unemployment rate is in his view not too bad because it is at 5 percent when some of the rest of the world have higher rates. In a numerical sense that is true but who should get credit for that? The prior Government oversaw real growth in this economy. That growth saw New Zealand’s unemployment be the lowest or second-lowest rate in the world a position we swapped from time to time with South Korea. That is the legacy the Labour Government left to the incoming National Government. 
Mr English says that productivity growth was low in the period prior to the election. On an annual basis during the 9 years of the Labour Government growth in New Zealand was higher than it was in Japan the USA the European Union the United Kingdom and even although just slightly Australia during that period. It is true that growth in labour productivity during that period was not high but that is the statistical effect of reducing unemployment. If we have unemployment going down to the very low levels that we had in New Zealand the last people who are back in the jobs are the lowest skilled. Similarly the first who get laid off and cannot get a new job are generally the lowest skilled. Ironically when we have reducing unemployment we can also have low rates of increases in labour productivity. Mr English knows that well but he denies it in this House. 
There are a number of criticisms that can be made of the Budget. This Budget does very little to set up New Zealand to come out of the recession in a stronger position than we went into it because it takes money away from the training of people who through no fault of their own are normally made unemployed. It does not fund their training whilst unemployed. Sir Roger Douglas presided over the finances of this country in a very difficult time in the 1980s and he did some good things and some bad things. I congratulate him on floating the dollar and some other good things. One of those good things he and that Labour Government did was that in that period of dislocation when there was rising unemployment money was put into the retraining of people who were made unemployed. This Budget does not do that; in fact this Budget reduces payments to a lot of good courses. Let us look at the 9-day fortnight one of the big three ideas to come out of the Job Summit. It is an idea that I think most people in this House inherently think is a good idea if it is well managed but there is no skills package around it. The people who are not in work fully are not getting training as a way to improve themselves and therefore improve the future productivity of our economy. 
I want to deal with one of the exaggerations that we hear from the Minister of Finance relating to the increase in Government expenditure during the term of the Labour Government; Sir Roger Douglas does this too. They both include tax credits in the definition of “Government expenditure”. The Working for Families tax credits—effectively a tax reduction for people with families; over $100 a week per family with children was the average of the Working for Families tax credits that were voted by the previous Labour Government—and the KiwiSaver tax credits that encourage people to save are both counted as Government expenditure under the definition used by the Hon Bill English today and at times by the Hon Roger Douglas. They exaggerate the increase in Government expenditure by including the tax credits which are effectively tax reductions. If they did not agree with those tax credits they would have campaigned against them. But of course the National Party said it would keep them because it agreed that in the end they were a good way to deliver assistance and effective tax reductions to families with children. 
The other big glaring mistake in this Budget—I will not deal with some of the smaller choices like putting more money into private schools rather than public schools—is the issue of superannuation. New Zealand has an ageing population. We currently have approximately 500000 superannuitants in New Zealand and a rapidly ageing population. Baby boomers born from the time of World War II to 1960 are approaching retirement age. Between now and 2030 an additional 500000 of those baby boomers will move into retirement. At the same time the number of people in the workforce will decrease proportionately because we will have fewer working-age people as a proportion of our population. It is obvious that in order to maintain future superannuation entitlements Governments of today need to collect taxes from the people who are working today in order to fund that future superannuation. If that does not occur we create not just uncertainty as to future superannuation entitlements and we certainly do that but also we create intergenerational unfairness because we will have a generation of people expected to fund a million or so people on superannuation from a smaller working population. That would not be fair and it may not be politically sustainable. 
That reality is clear to everyone but it is denied by the National Government as it has stopped contributions to the superannuation fund not for 1 year but for the decade. So there will be $20 billion plus earnings less in that fund in the future when that increased number of people will be reliant on superannuation. As a consequence future entitlements to superannuation are at risk. The likelihood of means testing or age changes or decreased generosity of superannuation is denied by the National Government. It has again broken its promise on superannuation. 
Hon JUDITH COLLINS (Minister of Police) 
: 
 The people most upset with Budget 2009 are those sitting opposite me: Labour Opposition members. They went up and down the country during the last election and told people that a National Government would cut the benefit rates and entitlements of the poorest and most vulnerable but we did not. The angriest people are people like the Hon David Cunliffe—who I thought was about to have a heart attack he was so angry—because we did not do that. In fact the most vulnerable New Zealanders were protected even more than they ever were under a Labour Government. This Budget was not the “Slash-and-burn” Budget that some newspapers had gone to such efforts to have cartoons ready to portray. It was a Budget that was moderate sensible and had new core Crown spending of $2.9 billion combined with recent tax cuts. That is the sort of spending that will help keep this economy going. 
It is very important that we look at the circumstances of the elderly. This Budget locks in national superannuation at 66 percent of the average wage. Every member on this side of the House who went to all the Grey Power meetings during the election campaign had to listen to Labour Party members say that a National Government would cut national superannuation. National members said time and time again that national superannuation would stay at 66 percent of the average wage and by gosh it did! National fulfilled its promises. 
Benefits student support and Working for Families are maintained at current levels despite the worse economic conditions that this world has seen since the 1930s. Every other country is going through the most appalling situation with their economies with 9.5 percent of people in the US now unemployed. That is an appalling situation. Yes we have more people unemployed now than we did a year ago but this time a year ago it was pretty apparent that things were turning for the worst. I remember the Hon Ruth Dyson standing up as the then Minister of Social Development and Employment and skiting that only 290 people had lost their jobs or words to that effect. She said that everything was going to be fine. It was pretty obvious that things were not going to be fine this year—the level of how tough it was going to be was never obvious yet this Government has been able to present a Budget where more money is spent on things that will support the economy and our most vulnerable New Zealanders. 
This Budget provides a $3 billion boost for health over 4 years that is focused on front-line services not on conferences. That is something that really upsets the Labour Party because its view has always been to have a conference a strategy and a report then that is it. Well I say that that is not it. Conferences strategies and reports do not feed one child and they do not make the sick well. Yet in the last few months we have seen the Hon Tony Ryall as Minister of Health show what happens when we have a Minister of Health who is in charge and is on top of his game. 
We have seen $1.68 billion spent on education to raise student achievement. Why do we never hear about that from the Opposition? All those members want to talk about are Moroccan cooking classes that might have be dropped or as we heard today some make-up classes that were dropped—I can understand why the Labour Party is worried about that but the rest of the country is not. People want to know that their money is being spent wisely on creating jobs and in helping New Zealanders to get the education they need. Many New Zealanders will need to retrain but they will need to retrain for jobs and not for hobbies. Six hundred more police will be on the beat by the end of 2011—600 more than there were when we came into office—and there will be 246 more probation workers. 
I will take a little time to talk a bit about the Department of Corrections. When we came into office in December last year we found that in the dying days of the previous Labour Government Phil Goff had been asked for special help by the parole section of the Department of Corrections. But what had happened? That section did not even get an answer. Instead this Government was left with an utter mess. We were left with a parole system that was underfunded and completely under-resourced and that had had a whole lot of community sentences dumped on it without the resourcing for that. For year after year the parole section had cried for help for some budget assistance and some leadership from its Minister. But he was never there; he was always off overseas looking to buy cameras somewhere. 
Instead we have had to pick up this problem and now we have some fantastic results coming out of our parole section. We have some great results. When Mr Goff was last in office 58 percent of our high-risk offenders were complying with parole requirements; now 77 percent are—a complete turnaround in a matter of months—and that is before all the budgetary considerations have come into it. That is what leadership and some more money does—and no I tell Mr English that he cannot have any back. I say we are going to do even better. 
We were also left with a crisis of capacity in the prison service because the previous Government liked to lock up people but it forgot that the housing for that had to be provided. What that Government did provide was extraordinarily expensive. It cost $643000 a bed at the Spring Hill prison. I repeat: $643000 just in case anyone thought I had that wrong. Now all we hear from Opposition members in relation to other solutions about the burgeoning prison population is that the idea was not their idea so it cannot be any good. They do not have one solution despite 9 years of a Labour Government. Instead they have left us with another mess to pick up and we will sort that out. 
One of the other things we could talk about at this point is education. For the building of new schools and the modernisation of existing ones we have budgeted $523 million. Which one of us here has not been to a school in our electorate and thought about what could be done to improve education particularly for our most vulnerable children whose parents do not have any excess money to help their school and for whom their school has to be funded fully in all ways? Here is $36 million to help students meet national standards in literacy and numeracy. We can talk all we like about tertiary education and we can talk all we like about Moroccan cooking classes. We can do all of that but if our children are coming out of school after 10 years’ education and cannot read and write then that is absolutely a national disgrace. It is an international disgrace for a country like this where education has been free for primary and secondary schooling since the Great Depression to have people coming out of schools and frankly filling our prisons. About 80 percent of our prisoners are said not to have numeracy and literacy to the level they should do. Many of those prisoners have never had a chance at education because it has been denied for them from the very start. 
There is $900 million in this Budget for justice initiatives aimed at improving public safety. It is not about writing reports but about improving public safety. It is not about going to conferences—no it is about public safety. There will be 600 more police on the streets at a cost of $182.5 million 246 more probation officers 29 front-line managers and 26 psychologists to improve the quality of parole and home detention management at a cost of $255.9 million. There will be a thousand extra prison beds through double-bunking at five prisons plus planning for additional capacity at the cost of $385.4 million. That is a lot of money; it is a lot of money at a time when this country should have more money in the bank and when New Zealanders should have more money in their pay. Unfortunately so much money was wasted by the previous Government. That Government thought it was much more fun to go and buy a train set—KiwiRail—and burden this country with a debt for years to come. 
Hon RUTH DYSON (Labour—Port Hills) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. Before I take a call in this debate I wonder whether I could remind you of the Speakers’ rulings that prohibit members from moving from their seat to gain an advantage in interjections. Paul Quinn has done that; he has been interjecting not just through David Parker’s speech but also through his own colleague’s speech. It is against Speakers’ rulings. I ask you to bring that to his attention and to ask him to comply with Speakers’ rulings. 
PAUL QUINN (National) 
: 
 As has been mentioned to me—under I think the Speakers’ rulings on pages 62 and 63; I cannot just place my hand on them—that the rules say that a member cannot move to improve his or her position. I put it to you Mr Assistant Speaker that as I think your office has said to me on a couple of occasions with my beautiful melodious voluminous voice it would not matter where I was sitting; my support for my colleague on this side would in fact be the same whether I sat here or sat at the back. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Rick Barker) 
: I do not think that that is particularly helpful. The member raises the Speakers’ rulings about shifting seats to enhance a member’s capacity to interject which presupposes that a member will intentionally do that. On a number of occasions I have said that I am not rigid on this particular rule because I think that it is to the advantage of the House to have people drift down towards this part of the Chamber as members are wont to do rather than have them scattered around the place. It helps to create the ambience of the House. The second point I have made previously is that the people who built this Chamber built it as a debating chamber a chamber that invites interjections—it is not a lecture theatre—and interjections are part of debate. 
So I say to the member that I will ask her to take a call if that is what she wishes. I remind Mr Quinn that interjections should be rare and reasonable and hopefully witty and that the House has taken note of the fact that he has been interjecting quite consistently through this debate. The member might like to take that on board as we hear the remaining speeches. 
Hon RUTH DYSON (Labour—Port Hills) 
: 
 I am pleased to be able to take a call on this Appropriation (2008/09 Supplementary Estimates) Bill which Labour opposes. The Budget was a wasted opportunity and the Minister of Finance should be ashamed of his inability to deliver on quite fundamental issues to New Zealanders. He had 9 years in Opposition to prepare a plan to prepare some action and to galvanise support around this Parliament for a Budget that would deliver real opportunity for people but he wasted that opportunity. 
The Budget did nothing at all either to protect or to create jobs for New Zealanders. The biggest opportunity that can be given to New Zealanders is the chance for them to walk out of the door in the morning and go to a paid job but the Minister of Finance has made that chance harder for New Zealanders rather than easier. The Budget fails totally to invest in people our country’s biggest asset. It ignores the opportunity to develop our innovation our skills and our training. During a recession we should be investing in skills investing in people and doing everything we can to give them more security and more opportunity in the future because we will move out of recession into growth again. We could have had a better skilled able workforce ready to take up the chances that improved growth will offer to New Zealanders in future. But that was entirely squandered. There was no investment in the skills and innovation of New Zealanders and not a single thing done to give more security and protection in existing jobs let alone to create additional jobs. 
The Budget repealed under urgency the tax cuts that National bribed its way into Government with prior to the election. This Parliament put those tax cuts through under urgency prior to Christmas and we repealed them under urgency. I have not heard of one single New Zealander who believed Bill English when he said: “We thought tax cuts were affordable but then we found out they were not.” In fact that is not quite correct. I have heard of one such person but he is a member of the National caucus and that does not really count. He fell for that line but he is the single New Zealander who believes the excuse that Bill English and John Key gave to the country. They promised tax cuts when they knew they were unaffordable they rammed them through this House under urgency when they knew they could not be delivered and they repealed them under urgency. 
What opportunity did the ordinary New Zealander have to contribute to that debate? What opportunity have the people earning less than $40000 a year who did not gain 1c from National’s 1 April tax cuts—those ordinary hard-working New Zealanders—had to have any input at all into “now you see it now you don’t” tax cuts? None at all. That is because we know that one-third of the $800 million worth of tax cuts that National did keep in place went to the top 3 percent of income earners in New Zealand. One-third of the total tax cut package went to the top 3 percent of income earners. Are those the people who every week find it hard to pay their electricity bills or their food bills? Are those the people who cannot afford anything at all extra in their houses? Are the people in this Parliament struggling on their incomes? I do not think so. But I know that many of my constituents who work just as hard if not harder than members of this Parliament and do not earn a fraction of the money that we earn in this Parliament got nothing from the tax cuts. They got nothing at all from the National Government’s tax cuts. 
I say that is a disgrace but it is not nearly as bad as the dangling of hope that the Job Summit gave to New Zealanders. People were really hopeful about the commitment to get all the key stakeholders except anyone who voted for Labour or the Greens in a room together get them focused on the fact that we have increasing unemployment in New Zealand and we want to tackle that issue and then drive an action plan led by the Prime Minister. People were really hopeful about the opportunity that the Job Summit gave New Zealanders and now we know that not only were people like the leader of the Labour Party and our employment spokesperson excluded solely because they were Labour but also that we clearly should not have an opportunity to contribute about jobs despite Labour delivering the best employment record in New Zealand’s history during our term in Government. 
But what happened after the Job Summit? Well nothing happened after the Job Summit. The 9-day fortnight? It affected fewer than 350 jobs. For every single job that has been saved that is good. But we are talking about the New Zealand economy where 1000 people each week are losing their jobs. Every week 1000 New Zealanders lose their jobs so 325 people in total is not even half a week’s worth of unemployment under the National Government’s regime. 
People expected something to come out of the Job Summit. Then we thought there is the national cycleway. That was John Key’s idea right at the end of the summit. It did not arise in the workshops nor in his introductory comments nor in any conversation with people who might talk about it think about it and contribute to this idea. Right at the end John Key came up with this idea of having a national cycleway. But Bill English who holds the purse strings said that we would not be having a national cycleway—not this week not this month not next year not ever—under his stewardship. Those were the words that Bill English used in support of his leader and the cycleway. But in the Budget we saw the money for that. 
The money that was taken out of adult and community education and out of scholarships such as scholarships for medical students—genuine investment in skills training for New Zealanders—went into a cycleway that is now being described as a little ride around some regions of New Zealand. I think New Zealanders have already been taken for a ride. They were misled and bribed by National which said before the election: “You can have everything that Labour put in place. We won’t touch any of that and we will give you tax cuts as well.” That was the mantra. That was the Crosby/Textor mantra that went around the country from the National Party: “We will leave everything in place from Labour and by the way you can have tax cuts as well.” People bought that. Now the only part of the cycleway that has been delivered is the ride that New Zealanders know they have been taken on. They were misled in order to bribe National’s way into Government. New Zealanders are rightfully resentful of that. They feel as if their trust has been broken. In my view it certainly was broken. 
We had no investment in skills we had no investment in jobs and the worst trick of all was the one played on superannuitants—not the superannuitants of today but of the future. If the member who resumed her seat immediately prior to my speaking thinks that current superannuitants do not care about the future of the superannuation needs of their sons daughters and grandchildren she is wrong. I am very proud to have been to more Grey Power meetings than any member in this House. Grey Power members are not interested in their own personal well-being as a priority. They care much more about the future security for their children and for their grandchildren. They know that without the investment in the Cullen fund which has been taken away—not just for this year but for a decade—in order to fund the future superannuation needs of New Zealanders when there will be more people over 65 and fewer people under 65 paying taxes to enable us to afford superannuation either the age of entitlement will increase or the rate will go down or it will be a combination of both. We will not have that investment which was developed specifically to partly fund the future needs of superannuation in New Zealand and that is the worst trickery of all. 
ALLAN PEACHEY (National—Tamaki) 
: 
 In this opportunity to contribute to the Appropriation (2008/09 Supplementary Estimates) Bill I begin by referring to the Labour member who has just resumed her seat Ms Dyson. She described the 2009 Budget as a wasted opportunity but let me tell this House what the 2009 Budget was. It was a brave attempt to rescue this country from the wasted opportunities of 9 years of socialist rule. It was 9 years of some of the most sustained prosperity this country has seen being wasted. That crowd over there the Labour Party was more interested in taking that prosperity built up on the backs and the shoulders of decent hard-working New Zealanders through the 1980s and the 1990s to build up a sum of money to buy the 2005 election. The tragedy was not just the buying of an election but also that we then had to put up with 3 years of a Government that had lost its moral compass. That contributed even further to the difficulties that this Government is dealing with in the Budget. 
Members might like to reflect on the Thursday afternoon when the Budget was delivered in this House and on the offerings from the Leader of the Opposition. There was huffing and puffing and puffing and huffing but nobody was listening. Certainly on this side of the House we were not listening. There was pathos in seeing members on the other side of the House not listening but most important of all the people of New Zealand were not listening. The people of New Zealand wanted a very simple speech from the Leader of the Opposition and it needed to comprise only three words: “I am sorry.” He could have said that he was sorry for the mess that the previous Labour Government left the economy in. That is all the New Zealand people wanted to hear: “I am sorry.” Instead we have heard speech after speech from members opposite demonstrating that firstly they do not understand the damage they did to the New Zealand economy during their time in Government and secondly they are totally bereft of ideas. When the Opposition’s finance spokesperson Mr Cunliffe was asked on Radio New Zealand National when Labour would offer an alternative plan the best he could do was to say it would be sometime before the next election. That spokesperson knows that he is bereft of ideas and has not got a clue about how to get New Zealand out of the mess the previous Labour Government left. 
At least the National Government understands the importance of a credit rating. One of this Budget’s many successes was protecting New Zealand’s international credit rating. 
Hon Steve Chadwick 
: Don’t worry about the people. Just worry about the credit rating. 
ALLAN PEACHEY 
: When listening to the interjections coming from the other side of the House and thinking about some of the contributions and speeches from Labour members it becomes clear that they do not care. It does not matter whether it is Mr Cunliffe Mr Goff or any of them. They do not care do not understand and do not know. Well let me tell them something that they should understand. If New Zealand’s credit rating had been downgraded according to the Treasury it would have pushed up interest rates by about 1.5 percent. “So what?” members opposite might ask. Let me tell those members that on a $175000 mortgage that means another $50 a week that a household has to find. I suggest that the next Labour member who gets on his or her feet explains to the people of New Zealand why the Labour Party would be happy to have New Zealanders spend another $50 a week on their mortgage simply because Labour members do not understand and do not care what credit ratings mean. 
Labour is a party bereft of any sort of economic ideas. What has the Government had to deal with? One could probably speak until we rise at 10 p.m. tonight listing the difficulties that the Labour Party left for the new Government to deal with. They include a bloated bureaucracy loaded with unnecessary costs and $2 billion of deferred maintenance of Housing New Zealand Corporation properties. There was an accident compensation shortfall of $1.5 billion. It is not looking very impressive and it gets worse. KiwiRail was valued at half of what the previous Government paid for it. There was also falling economic growth rising unemployment higher inflation a rising current account deficit a deteriorating fiscal deficit and sharply rising Crown debt which was all the legacy of the previous Labour Government. 
Hon Members 
: Oh! 
ALLAN PEACHEY 
: Members opposite might like to listen to this one: annual productivity growth was an appalling 1.1 percent between 2000 and 2008. I do not think that any New Zealander needs reminding that in those years we had a socialist Labour Government a Government that was more interested in building a chest to buy an election than in doing what was right for New Zealand. The Department of Corrections was in need of major overhaul and the Immigration Service was dysfunctional. We could just go on and on. That is the legacy of the previous Labour Government that this Budget is attempting to deal with and that is why the New Zealand people wanted one thing from Phil Goff: “I am sorry.” For a long time the New Zealand public will remember the heroic efforts that went into the 2009 Budget and the failure of the Labour Party to take responsibility. 
In my remaining few moments I will turn to the education provisions of the Budget because there is something quite significant that has by and large not had any attention drawn to it. The Government has allocated $36 million to help students meet national standards of literacy and numeracy. That represents an end to the notion that academic achievement is not for all students. The Labour Party thinks it is not for all students but finally a New Zealand Government has made the statement in a Budget that academic standards and achievement are for all students. For the first time in the history of New Zealand schooling proficiency is being put at the core of education. Thank you. 
METIRIA TUREI (Co-Leader—Green) 
: 
 It has been reported today that some 1000 New Zealanders are joining the dole queue each week. The official unemployment rate in this country has more than doubled in the past year. We have seen major job losses in areas like the manufacturing agriculture forestry and fishing industries which are key productive industries in this country. We have also seen as we expected a major increase in the unemployment level of young New Zealanders; in particular those aged between 15 and 24. This recession is having an impact similar to that of the late 1980s and early 1990s when unemployment rose sharply and viciously leaving ordinary working people without incomes and homes and being treated by the then National Government as if they were without dignity. We are heading that way again with some projecting 20 percent unemployment among young people again under a National Government with no heart and no plan. 
Today in question time the Prime Minister was asked specifically about his plans to protect and create jobs for New Zealanders. He treated the questions about unemployment with contempt choosing instead to treat unemployment as a side issue so that he could crow about his latest polling. Polling is not a plan. It will not create jobs protect families or see us through to the long-term economic sustainability and stability that this country needs. The Prime Minister had no plans and indeed many of the ideas that he proffered this afternoon have already proven to have failed. 
The Job Summit which was lauded at the time as the great hope for new and innovative ideas has failed to produce anything like enough real solutions. It is true that one idea from the summit was successful: the Green Party’s home insulation fund. It was funded to over $300 million in the Budget and will create 2000 new jobs from the programme and protect 700 existing jobs thereby protecting and creating 2700 jobs in total. The Prime Minister might not have any plans and I do not believe he should feel that it is a problem to admit he does not have any plans and that his solutions have failed. But it is a problem if the Prime Minister continues to ignore the solutions that are on the table to protect New Zealanders into the future. 
This Budget desperately needed to address three key issues for our communities. We need to create jobs now through wise infrastructure investments we need to invest now in our communities and our people to create the environment for longer-term sustainable economic stability and we must provide New Zealand families with real income relief right now. 
The Green Party and our Green New Deal—The Green Stimulus Package have solutions that will contribute to all three key goals. Our home insulation fund is one such solution and we will see the benefits of those 2000 extra jobs rolling out over the next year or two. But we have other solutions that we have proffered for this Government. The Greens have calculated that investment of $600 million dollars in the clean-up and protection of our waterways—mainly through the planting and fencing of the banks of waterways—would create over 2000 jobs directly and about 4500 new jobs indirectly. It would have the added invaluable economic return of cleaning and protecting our clean green image on which our tourism is so heavily dependent thereby enhancing our primary production market access restoring tourism opportunities like trout fishing and reducing the dollar and human cost to local communities and farmers of flooding and drought. Those are key solutions to protect the environment and our economy and to create jobs. 
The current waiting list for Housing New Zealand Corporation houses is around 10000 families and rising and it will continue to rise as unemployment kicks in and more and more families lose their homes. Yet half the residential construction capacity is idle in this country. New residential consents have fallen by half since June 2007 which means that about 6000 new homes per year are not being built. That situation is devastating the construction sector. Investing $500 million in the first year and $750 million in years two and three in the building of new homes would give us something like 6000 new State houses for our families. That investment would save 10500 full-time direct jobs and create 18000 new full-time jobs in total across the economy. That would be an investment to keep our families warm dry and housed and to create further jobs across our whole economy. 
Because new road construction is highly capital investment intensive not a lot of new jobs are created for the amount spent. Motorways are the least jobs-intensive of transport projects and make us much more dependent on oil with higher greenhouse gas emissions. Our stimulus package spend creates 40 percent more jobs for every $1 million spent than the equivalent spend on new motorways. Forty percent more jobs could be created. A raft of other transport projects would employ far more people make our cities more liveable improve our transport choices reduce our carbon emissions and make us less oil dependent. They are key solutions to protect the environment keep our families well and create jobs. 
Our solution is to shift the low-quality spend that this Government will make—the $1 billion low-quality spending on motorways—into a range of transport projects: rebuilding and upgrading railway stations and bus exchanges so that people are kept safe warm and dry in them; integrated ticketing; and increasing cycle lanes and walking paths particularly for the many hundreds of thousands of children who want to cycle to school safely thereby reducing emissions reducing cost to their families increasing community safety and creating jobs all through the same solution. 
The Crown loan programme is another example. The lack of sufficient Crown loan funding over recent years has meant that hospital and other efficiency upgrades have not occurred. The savings to our hospitals from efficiency upgrades would go directly into front-line health services. For example $25 million loaned per year for 3 years would create 390 full-time direct jobs multiplied to 874 full-time jobs across the economy. By the same logic the same investment in energy efficiency in Government assets like schools prisons and other Government buildings would continue to build on that job creation thereby protecting the community protecting the environment and creating jobs. 
We need to invest in our communities and our people to create an environment for long-term economic stability. One core means for this is in education. We know that young people will suffer the most from unemployment so we must invest in their future by enabling greater access to educational opportunities. But instead this Government has slashed education funding particularly across the community and adult education sector. We have had a reduction of funding to universities of over $22 million per annum cuts in funding to regional polytechs without any kind of mechanism for other technical institutes and polytechnics or tertiary education organisations to take up the students and about a 50 percent cut in adult and community education funding thereby cutting jobs as well as reducing access to retraining that is so desperately needed. 
The Tertiary Education Union recently described how the Australian Budget put $7 billion extra into tertiary education to deal with the recession in the long term. 
Hon Tau Henare 
: We’re not Australian. 
METIRIA TUREI 
: I say to whoever it was who just interjected that the New Zealand Government could have provided about $1 billion in the 2009 Budget for tertiary education as a per capita response that would be a similar investment into our communities and our people when they need it most. Did the Government do that? No it did not. It cut funding massively thereby reducing the ability of our young people to get access to the education they will desperately need because they will not have the jobs to go to and restricting the ability of older workers to be able to retrain in order to prepare for the time after the recession when we need that long-term stability and economic sustainability. 
We need to provide relief for families who are suffering right now from high credit card and mortgage rates because the banks are benefiting from the cuts in the official cash rate and are not passing on those benefits to our communities. The Green Party has called for an inquiry into that issue because New Zealand families are entitled to have their elected representatives investigate the institutions that are preventing them from being able to get access to the benefits from the official cash rate cuts. New Zealand families are entitled to have their elected representatives stand up for them and say that they must benefit too. 
Hon Sir ROGER DOUGLAS (ACT) 
: 
 New Zealand has two classes of citizens. In New Zealand we all pay taxes yet some people get a bad deal for the money they pay. The people who get the rawest deal are those who are the least well off and the least able to provide for themselves when the Government fails to deliver. We have two classes in New Zealand not because the Government is not doing enough for the poor but because what the Government does for the poor denies them choices destroys the incentive they have to get ahead and subjects them to political abuse. The past 80 years of political control has achieved a larger welfare budget more people on welfare and barriers for those at the bottom to get ahead. Personal taxation in New Zealand takes $25 billion; 54 percent of that amount goes to health a third goes to superannuation and 13 percent goes to welfare. 
Let us look at some of those areas. Superannuation costs everyone one-third of the personal tax we pay. For people who earn a little above the average wage that is almost $4000 a year. Superannuation is not free; it costs and it delivers poor results. Despite the average person paying $4000 every year in tax for superannuation a single pensioner gets $311 a week and a married pensioner gets $239 a week. They pay in well over $200000 during their lifetime for a miserable pension. Our superannuation scheme is designed so that people pay today for the retirement of their parents. If we simply adjusted the system so that the money people pay went towards paying for their own retirement most would get a cushy retirement. If that money was put in the bank and was earning 7 percent nominal interest and 5 percent real interest then the average worker would retire with $1.8 million in the bank. It would like winning Lotto and then retiring. The interest on that money would give you far more per week than you are currently getting. After tax the weekly income of a superannuitant would be around $1210 a week. The difference when compared with current Government superannuation is around $900 and that is without any capital contribution. The present system creates second-class citizens. So why do National and Labour not alter this when they are in Government? It is because National and Labour want to make the people of this country dependent upon them. If the average citizen had $1.8 million in the bank he or she would not want politicians interfering in their lives. 
Let us look at health. Of your and everyone else’s personal tax 54 percent goes towards health care. Saying that it is 54 percent can hide what this means. If you earn the minimum wage you will pay about $2500— 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: You have brought the Speaker into the debate a couple of times now. I indicate not to as I am impartial in this matter. 
Hon Phil Heatley 
: He’s a new member! 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: I am on my feet. 
Hon Sir ROGER DOUGLAS 
: If a person earns the minimum wage he or she pays $2500 every year for health care. If people earn the average wage they pay over $6396 in health care every year. People say we have free health care. To me it seems that free health care has never been more expensive. When health care costs the average person $6000 a year and costs a two-income family over $10000 a year one would hope that it would really deliver. However it does not deliver. Despite the enormous cost we ration health care. People who are sick get placed on a waiting list and people on waiting lists get worse not better; some die. The suffering that takes place on the health waiting list is rationalised away as if the goal of equality justifies denying health care to people who desperately need it. 
The most pernicious effect of socialised medicine is how it creates second-class citizens in this country. The first way it does so is through a bizarre mixture of subsidies. Some medicines are fully subsidised some are partially subsidised and some are not subsidised at all. Decisions over what medicines one can take are determined not by the patient or the doctor but by some bureaucrat here in Wellington. The second way it creates second-class citizens is how pressure can be applied to get treatments performed. Doctors patients and politicians can all pressure the system to get certain operations performed at the expense of others. If people can get their stories on  
Campbell Live 
 they can be sure they will get a treatment. If people can form a pressure group to get Herceptin subsidised then they will get that treatment. But in socialised health one’s treatment comes at the expense of someone else’s and because the affluent tend to be more politically connected more influential and more organised treatment for the rich comes at the expense of the poor. The third way it creates second-class citizens is the fact that wealthy people can afford to pay twice. They can afford to pay tax for health care and then buy health insurance on top. The very people who are denied this opportunity are the very people whom universal heath care was meant to help. While the poor die on waiting lists the rich pop down to the private hospitals. 
No one would seriously contend that the system treats people equally and the solution to this problem is the same kind of pathetic snake oil we hear from all the political parties in Parliament: that all the problems could be solved if only we would spend more money. What rubbish! When will we wake up to that lie? Under Labour health spending increased in real terms by 50 percent. Despite that huge increase in real expenditure the productivity of doctors declined by 15 percent and the productivity of nurses decreased by 11 percent. Overall the drop was 8 percent. It was only 8 percent overall because the productivity of cleaning and orderly staff surged and those services were outsourced to the private market. This gives a hint of the kinds of benefits that could be achieved if we dropped the pretence and lived up to the reality. Socialised health care has failed. If we simply gave people on the average wage the $6000 they currently pay this would enable them to buy catastrophic insurance put money aside for their health care and retirement and pay for their day-to-day health care needs at the doctor. 
When we look not at the goals of the welfare State but at the actual performance we see that the results are depressing. In the last 80 years we have grown far wealthier than we once were yet there are more on welfare today than before. We have created a system that gives options to those who can afford them and denies choices to those who most desperately need them. We have created a system that taxes and regulates opportunity for the poor out of existence and conscripts them into poverty. We have created a system with two classes of citizenship in this country and at the very same time the solutions put forth by all the other political parties in this Parliament except ACT are more Government spending on health more Government spending on education and more Government spending on welfare. Only ACT stands against the philosophy that is creating two types of citizens. When will we wake up? On its own terms the welfare State has failed. 
Hon TARIANA TURIA (Co-Leader—Maori Party) 
: 
 Kia ora Mr Deputy Speaker. Tena tatou katoa. Last weekend on Saturday night was a chance to sit in front of the fire cheer on the All Blacks and laugh as the painted rooster outsmarted the security team at the Cake Tin. It was a bittersweet victory. A win on the night was not enough to secure the 6-point margin we needed to win the trophy but we got over it. But for five young New Zealanders it did not stop there. They took their anger out on an unsuspecting member of the French rugby team punching him and throwing him to the ground in an unprovoked assault which left the player with a suspected broken eye socket and stitches to the face. 
So what does this have to do with the additional expenses in capital expenditure required for the financial year? Is it just an isolated attack that bears no further comment? If we were to read yesterday’s papers we might find a different story with the headline “Surge in violence during recession”. We could read that the Christchurch women’s refuges have seen a huge jump in the number of women asking for help as the recession bites. The Battered Women’s Trust described an extraordinary increase of 60 percent in the number of women asking for help from about 200 community clients a year ago to about 360 now. 
At the other end of the motu a special circumstances court is being proposed to cater for the increasing numbers of homeless living on Auckland streets. The manager of the Methodist Mission’s Lifewise service has called for a 24-hour service hub as an initial contact point for homeless people. Throughout the country the number of food parcels being given out has increased. The economy continues to lose jobs and people are finding it impossible to stretch the family finances even further. For many of these New Zealanders the recession signals just more of the same. These are the New Zealanders who live on very low levels of absolute income—those people who represent the extreme end of income disparity. 
This is the phenomenon that the Maori Party expected to see addressed in the Appropriation (2008/09 Supplementary Estimates) Bill. Increasing levels of violence homelessness food deprivation and poverty are just some of the effects of the recession that must be spoken about. We have been pleased to support the initiatives that emerged in the Budget process to assist New Zealanders in responding to the impacts of the global economic downturn. The Maori Party has gone on record in looking at the opportunities that may arise for Maori from the $7.45 billion investment in infrastructure or the allocation of up to $40 million for the community responses to the recession. 
But there are other areas that could benefit from further analysis and we have been looking to legislation with poverty in mind. The supplementary estimates go into some detail in specifying appropriations for the Wiri Inland Port’s rail link a screen production incentive fund and a contribution to joint venture airports. There are allocations for participation at Expo 2010 in Shanghai China and there are more appropriations for State highways and railway development. There is investment in generating reserve electricity at Whirinaki and even funding for a transformational initiatives fund. But there is nothing in this legislation that is transformational in terms of eliminating poverty. There is nothing to suggest that the earned income threshold for beneficiaries could rise by $80 or that over-crowding or homelessness will be addressed. 
Although the changes in emphasis regarding infrastructure and transport initiatives are to be expected it is disappointing that the estimates contain so little about incentives for our most vulnerable populations. The Child Poverty Action Group spells out in no uncertain terms that “Insisting on fiscal prudence now at the expense of children will prove to be very short-sighted when the future social costs hit high.” The Maori Party will not neglect the rights of our children. We are committed to the long-term view a view in which whanau ora prevails and a time when marginalisation is reduced. We will speak the words that others may be afraid to say. We will do what we can to prevent poverty to address discriminatory language and to confront social exclusion. 
If we have an eye to the long-term view it will mean that we are clear about the outcomes before we proceed on any policy process. If the problem is that it costs over $600000 to build a prison cell the answer may be far more wide ranging than creating a solution out of converted shipping containers. It is about reintegration and restoration of offenders. It is about reducing the recidivist offender rates and putting in place whanau support to encourage offenders not to turn to crime. If the problem is that approximately 5000 New Zealanders die each year from tobacco use we should not be putting all of our investment into programmes that tell smokers to quit. We would be far better off investing in early intervention and prevention strategies that discourage young people from ever starting to smoke. One of the solutions might be to remove the tobacco from the shop shelves in the first place. If the problem is boy racers we might consider working with the boys themselves which would provide a vital opportunity for change rather than focusing on the vehicles alone. Better yet we might consider supporting youth networks and positive youth employment initiatives. 
All of the investment in reducing hospital waiting lists is in many ways meaningless if the foundation of health promotion is eroded. We must be open to doing as much as we can for those who have the least opportunity. How do we lift the sights of vulnerable children to let them know that their world can change? What does whanau ora mean for them? It should not be a 21st century version of  
Oliver Twist 
 when someone is asking for more when there is no more to be had. 
Last week was Volunteer Awareness Week. If there was one message that came through over and over again it was the demonstration of how rewarding the gift of giving can be. In my role as the Minister for the Community and Voluntary Sector I am constantly humbled by New Zealanders who show their humanity to one another through gifts of time gifts of money and gifts of kind so that they can share. There is nothing more inspiring than to see such generosity transform lives. I see everyday people who have rejected the race to clutter their homes with accumulated wealth and who have instead dedicated themselves to helping others around them. It does not matter how they give; it is the fact that they give in the first place. Let these people become our models in this Parliament in terms of how to restore that sense of common unity that sense of community spirit which will be so critical in our recovery. Kia ora. 
Hon TAU HENARE (National) 
: 
 I want to give members a bit of a history lesson. 
Hon Members 
: Oh! 
Hon TAU HENARE 
: I do not have to say much before the rabble starts denying history. The members on the opposite side of the House do not even know what I am about to say and they start denying things. They cannot even handle— 
Grant Robertson 
: Tell us about Wilberforce again! 
Hon TAU HENARE 
: No I want to talk about the history that the previous Labour Government has left this nation. This speech will be called the leftist speech. The Labour Government left behind an absolutely dysfunctional Immigration Service. It left us with an accident compensation shortfall of $1.5 billion. 
Hon Member 
: How much? 
Hon TAU HENARE 
: $1.5 billion. It left us with KiwiRail and its value is about half of what Labour paid for it. It left us with falling economic growth. Between 2000 and 2008 after all the money that the Labour Government spent all it could muster— 
Hon Steve Chadwick 
: Oh dear! 
Hon TAU HENARE 
: “Oh dear!” is what the public is saying; “Oh dear! I wish we had got rid of the previous Labour Government earlier.” I tell members— 
Hon Steve Chadwick 
: Let’s go back to New Zealand First days! 
Hon TAU HENARE 
: I was not in partnership with New Zealand First. I did not make the leader of the party the Minister of Foreign Affairs and then slobber all over the fact that he was our Minister of Foreign Affairs. I did not one day say that he is a nasty man and then the next day give him a bauble or two. That was not me. 
Therein lies my speech; it is about history. 
Craig Foss 
: Who gave him the baubles? 
Hon TAU HENARE 
: Well it was the lady who has gone. 
The previous Labour Government left us with an inflation rate of 3.5 percent. It left us with rising current account deficit. Here is an interesting figure: $16.1 billion was in the current account deficit in the 2008-09 year. 
Hon Steve Chadwick 
: Oh dear! 
Hon TAU HENARE 
: Those members keep saying “Oh dear!” because they cannot get away from the fact that they left the cupboard bare. There is nothing in the cupboard. On Budget day the Hon Bill English got up and delivered what is needed; not a wish-list but what is needed. Shortly afterwards New Zealand got a stable rating from the credit agencies. We did not get a downgrade and you can bet your bottom dollar that we would have been downgraded if that lot on the opposite side of the House had won the last election. We would have been worse off than we ever have been. 
Mr Jones should take note of this history: every time there has been a Labour Government for more than one term—and that does not happen very often but happened in the last two: the Lange Government and the Clark Government—it has left the cupboard bare. It left the cupboard bare not for the spend-up of a National Government but for those who really need it. I say to Mr Jones that they are those who live on “Struggle Street” to coin a phrase. 
Paul Quinn 
: He wouldn’t know. 
Hon TAU HENARE 
: Oh yes he would know. But the problem is that he forgot. He forgot where he is from; he is from “Struggle Street”. 
The Labour Government ate lavishly and spent up large and for what? Where were the results? No I am not a denier; those members are deniers. It made no changes to the things that really matter. For example it made absolutely no changes to the Resource Management Act. In fact the changes that did come hog-tied businesses and developers and nothing was done. For 8 years Labour members spent up large employing their mates in the Public Service and now they moan about the cuts and retrenchments in the Public Service. Let me tell that very new member over there Grant Robertson that a big Public Service is not the best idea in the world; the best idea in the world is having an efficient Public Service. 
While I am at it let us look at education. The unions are protecting members of the teachers unions from being good teachers. We know for a fact why there is large Maori underachievement. It is because of the poor quality of teachers and principals in this nation. The people who support and protect those poor teachers sit opposite us today. They protect those poor teachers and those poor principals. So what we have done and what we will continue to do is manage— 
Grant Robertson 
: How does money for private schools help? 
Hon TAU HENARE 
: It is not about money money money. It is not about that; it is about doing the job properly. If one cannot do the job properly it is time to get out. 
Grant Robertson 
: How does private school funding help? 
Hon TAU HENARE 
: It is not even about private schools any more; it is about teachers doing the job that was asked of them. But they are being protected because they do not want to go and learn—[ 
Interruption 
] 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: There is too much noise. 
Hon TAU HENARE 
: They do not want to learn how to do the job properly. That is why we have statements like those from our Minister of Maori Affairs. All he wants to do is get the achievement rates up. We can argue till the cows come home about what he said but the fact of the matter is that a whole lot of people out there are underachieving and it behoves us to make sure that we find better ways of helping them achieve. 
Opposition members have the gall to say that they were in Government for 9 years and they did lots. If they did lots in those 9 years how come more Maori kids are underachieving now than in the last 9 years? I can tell members why: because none of the schemes and programmes of the previous Government in the last 9 years worked. Why do we have Te Kotahitanga? 
Grant Robertson 
: Who started Te Kotahitanga? 
Hon TAU HENARE 
: The Labour Government did not start Te Kotahitanga; Russell Bishop started Te Kotahitanga. Russell Bishop saw that teachers needed a helping hand and that helping hand was a change in attitude. Some teachers stepped up to the mark. Every teacher should be learning that stuff at training college rather than the Government having to spend millions of dollars on retraining. [ 
Interruption 
] No teachers should have been doing it when they were at training college. All of the Labour members’ argy-bargy about 9 years during which they did a wonderful job is a load of balderdash and a load of pixie dust. It does not wash. That is why 70 percent of the country is happy with the job John Key Bill English and the National Party are doing and that is why this Government will survive for quite some time into the future. 
Hon SHANE JONES (Labour) 
: 
 Tena koe Mr Speaker mou i pai te tuku maku tenei wahanga e korero. Thank you very much Mr Deputy Speaker for inviting me to make a few remarks. Unlike the speech of the previous speaker Tau Henare my remarks will actually relate to the legislation we are talking about. Also they will not be tedious or repetitive and they will probably be instructive for Mr Quinn. 
Let us come to the first thing that one would really want to say about the Government’s stewardship to date. There is no doubt that we confront very large dangerous issues. There is no debate about that. We also know that debt—Government borrowing—will rise. That means that the Government in the near future has one of two things to focus on. One is that it has to start cutting expenditure. Surprise surprise it has held off on its real agenda. The Government was relying on Graham Scott and a host of other advisers and it has found that the bureaucrats and chief executive officers can find only so many savings. So the Government has to focus soon on where it can slash cut and reduce expenditure or boost revenue. 
You see Labour when it was in Government was about boosting revenue. Not only did we undertake great forays to drive international trade but also we worked constructively with key sectors to boost the revenue of those sectors. That is why in 2008 when the party across the Chamber arrived in Government it inherited a situation that when one took account of our liabilities and assets was actually a net positive position I say to Mr Foss. Admittedly we work in a dynamic framework and things have changed. Borrowing will now rise. But this Budget did not outline what the Government will do to boost revenue nor how it will do it. The Budget recited a host of perceived ills that the Government wants to hold us responsible for but overlooked the fact that the Government has the waka—it has the car. The voters who are the ultimate parents of all politicians have given the Government the keys but this Budget said not a single word about how revenue is to be enhanced. How will the Government grow the economy? No. Tau Henare obviously read the wrong end of the  
New Zealand Herald  
this morning. He started to talk to us about the current account balance. I say to Tau that come Thursday he will know the answer. Come Friday he will know the answer in terms of our GDP performance. 
We all know that current account problems have afflicted our country for a long time but what is the Government going to do about that? Where is its plan? What will the Government do? What is its strategy to boost exports and to boost revenue? Members opposite can continue to say the previous Government was slack in some areas and was a little ambivalent in terms of monitoring various pots of expenditure but the Government has to develop a plan. There is no plan in that Budget. There is nothing that shows how the Government will boost exports. 
Craig Foss 
: Which volume did you not read? 
Hon SHANE JONES 
: Secondly the Government said it is too expensive to work with agriculture. If there is one thing our country can prove to be very successful at I say to Mr Foss it is producing food. The goods and services associated with the food sector— 
Craig Foss 
: You’re good at digging dirt! 
Hon SHANE JONES 
: Far be it for me to comment on the manure currently being sprayed from the Hawke’s Bay member. I will not do that. But if we are to have this debate we must come back to the key point. The Government did not put a plan forward. It ended up pinching a lot of ideas from our side. OK it took a pale version of working with the agricultural sector for petty political reasons. It rained foul rhetoric upon Mr Anderton and his $700 million approach to enhancing productivity in that sector. The Government ended up taking a tiny piece of his thinking and in a miserly sort of way introduced it as its own idea. That will not cut the mustard—no! 
Let us talk about John Key’s illusion. He will stand as he has stood in the past and continue to tell this House that over his dead body or words to that effect superannuation entitlements will not change. But the reality is that once he decided to change the consensus on superannuation and fracture the model for how we could account for meeting the costs of a rapidly ageing population he has opened up the debate all over again. There is no consensus on superannuation; there is no consensus whatsoever. Members opposite have now decided that for the period of time—mercifully short I would hope—that they enjoy the Treasury benches they will pretend that there is no long-term superannuation problem. What they have not worked out is that in that period of time people who are in their 30s or 40s those who are approaching their 50s will be fearful. Insecurity is rising. Members opposite know that the consequence of their miserly punitive approach towards a savings strategy that would have overcome some of the long-term problems is that they have turned their backs on those problems. They have turned their backs on that vulnerable group of New Zealanders who have been paying tax for a long time based on the social accord that one day when they reached the point when they could have superannuation they would not be denied it. 
The Government ended up having to find dough from somewhere so it has started to gut KiwiSaver. That is further evidence that Government members do not believe in savings. Unlike ourselves members on that side of the House do not believe there is a savings problem in New Zealand. Without thinking it through members opposite moan and complain that Labour was a poor steward in relation to the current account deficit problems. But if there is a deficiency in savings that account is where it would show up. Those members do not believe there is a savings problem. Not only did they gut KiwiSaver but also they have now turned around and plundered the Cullen fund. The Government has plundered it in the following way: it has refused to allocate as was intended the ongoing allocations that were built into that scheme. 
A fund that would rival something akin to one of the more developed economies’ sovereign funds was an item that every New Zealander could have taken pride in and Governments could have looked upon it as a long-term option to deal with the growing costs associated with us all getting older. Of course Mr Key will say that if we do not save the money now there will be more money in the current economy. But that is not the case because a plan was absent from the Budget for how our most vulnerable communities such as the Pacific Island community and the Maori community were to boost their skills. 
It is all very well for Dr Pita Sharples to talk about Maori access to university. I do not really want to condemn him. I am sure he did not intend to say that all Maori could just arrive at university—bypass kohanga reo and turn up at Victoria University. He was seeking to raise the problem that far too many Maori families do not produce enough kids who have either the right attitude or sense of engagement with school—something to that effect. But he has overlooked the fact that if one associates with a party in Government that gives its tax cuts to the rich and denies tax relief to the poor and vulnerable then that Government will have fewer resources to dedicate towards education skills and training. It is a vicious circle. The thing that really requires education in relation to Dr Sharples is what convinces that man to continue to hang out with such a bad crowd. Of course in 2½ years we will visit the answer to that question upon them. 
Let me round up here. Unless we are to invest in education—Mr Quinn needs a great deal of it—we will not raise the levels amongst the vulnerable communities that will be key contributors. 
Paul Quinn 
: I notice you’ve steered clear of Economics 101 in this appropriations debate. 
Hon SHANE JONES 
: Stick to the point Mr Quinn. “Stick to the point” in Maori is “hangai ki te kaupapa” [ 
remain focused on the topic 
] not “hangia te papa” [ 
bake the earth in an earth oven 
]. Kia ora tatou katoa. 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Before I call the next member I say the discussions that are going on are making it very difficult for me to concentrate. We have lobbies for that and members may wish to go out into them. But I can hear some of the conversations and I ask that we give members the courtesy— 
Hon Member 
: They are interjections. 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: They are not interjections. They are low-volume conversations but I can hear what is being said. I ask members if they want to continue those conversations to please go to the lobbies. 
KATRINA SHANKS (National) 
: 
 It is my pleasure to speak to the Appropriation (2008/09 Supplementary Estimates) Bill and the Imprest Supply (First for 2009/10) Bill tonight. I will respond to the member who just sat down Shane Jones by talking about education and investment in education. Labour was in Government for the last 9 years. For 9 years it had the opportunity to invest in education and to lift literacy and numeracy but it failed. I ask members to look at the number of children who are coming through school who do not have the levels of numeracy and literacy to even get the most basic jobs to even enter the polytechs or to enter some of the trades. They do not have those basic literacy and numeracy skills. That is how the Labour Government failed this country and failed our children. This Government is determined not to let any child be left behind. In this Budget in our first year we have invested a lot of money—$1.68 billion over the 2008-09 to 2012-13 period has been invested to improve facilities and lift educational achievement. Of this $1.68 billion $1 billion is new spending that we will invest in the future and in our children because they are a priority for a John Key - led Government. We will build new schools and modernise new existing schools with an investment of up to $523 million. We will help our students meet national standards in literacy and numeracy by investing $36 million. 
As a mother of three children I have to say that the literacy and numeracy standards our children currently have is not clear to parents. They are not transparent. Parents do not understand how their children are going. They do not know whether they are improving from one year to the next. They do not know how they are doing against the national average. They do not know how to help their children they do not know whether they are gifted and they do not know whether they are falling behind because there is no transparency from the school to the parents. There is no accountability from the school to the parents. 
I have been in the school system for the last 9 years with my children and it is the same now as it was 9 years ago. There is no reporting back to the parents and that is what this bit of money will do. This $36 million will ensure that we have a national standard and that those children will sit the tests that they already sit: the progressive achievement test and the asTTle test. They currently sit those good tests and the parents are not informed about them. They never get to see the results. Parents never get to see inner tracking or how their children are tracking. I speak to many parents around those issues. One of the parents I spoke to recently said that what that parent would love to see is a child’s education graph set out like the graph in a Plunket book. The average is a line going up the range is another line going up and the child sits on one side or the other. As long as a child is tracking up the parents should be comfortable with that and will understand where the child is. But how do people know if they are not told? That $36 million is crucial for me as a mother with three children in the primary school system to understand that my children are going to do well when they leave school. 
Not only that we extended the 20 hours early childhood education scheme to include playcentres and kohanga reo. I went to a playcentre in Johnsonville last week a lovely playcentre and I have no idea why they would be excluded from that 20 free hours. Why choose to exclude a playcentre? They add so much value to early childhood education which is a fantastic iconic type of early childhood education that this National-led Government understands—and that the previous Labour-led Government did not understand—because playcentres are about families. Opposition members do not understand how parents can be good educators very powerful educators in their own right which is what playcentres are. We put another $69.7 million into playcentres and kohanga reo because we unlike the previous Labour-led Government which put no priority on families acknowledge that parents are fantastic educators. 
These estimates are about helping New Zealanders through the recession and supporting jobs. We are using the strength of the Government’s balance sheet to absorb much of the shock of this recession. What this means in plain language is that we are keeping up spending on public services and on entitlements to income support despite the fact that the Government’s revenue is dropping significantly. Our approach is to provide a considerable stimulus to the economy to stop the country from falling into a further recession. In the Budget we maintained all of the entitlements to income support including superannuation benefits and the Working for Families scheme. We are also increasing spending on front-line public services particularly in health education and justice. 
Hon Steve Chadwick 
: No training back to work. Cutting training programmes for getting back into work. 
KATRINA SHANKS 
: If that member over there would like to talk to me about adult learning in community centres that is great. You know I would love to do a pottery course. In fact I have done one at a community centre and it was really good. But it is a hobby and I think I should be able to pay for that hobby myself. I do not think that the Government should subsidise it. In fact I would rather the Government spent the money on reading recovery. What would the member prefer I do? [ 
Interruption 
] That is right. Would the member prefer that the Government paid for my pottery course or that my child did not get reading recovery? It is about priorities; it is about putting the money where it is needed. I tell members that in our schools reading recovery literacy and numeracy—and you know it as well—are where our priorities should lie not with the pottery course not with the public speaking course not with the Moroccan cooking course. You had 9 years to make a difference and you made no difference; we had 9 years of surpluses and you just blew it. You threw them away— 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: The member has brought me twice into the debate. 
KATRINA SHANKS 
: I am sorry Mr Deputy Speaker. 
I want to talk about one of our initiatives in particular: an investment of $323 million over the next 4 years in a campaign to make New Zealand homes warmer drier and healthier. I tell members that John Key understands that families need to stay warm. [ 
Interruption 
] You had 9 long years to make these homes warm and healthy—9 long years. I say to Steve Chadwick that you can shake your finger at me but you had 9 long— 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: You know what I am going to say do you not? 
KATRINA SHANKS 
: I do. I am sorry Mr Deputy Speaker. The Labour Government had 9 long years to make a difference; 9 years to make our homes warmer healthier and safer and it could not do it. In 9 long years of surpluses even with “Visa-nomics”—with putting it on the bill—Labour still could not provide the money to do this. Instead Labour just wasted it because that is the only way to describe what it did. The Labour Government just wasted it. 
I want to talk about New Zealand insulation funds. We will allow more than 180000 New Zealanders to receive kickstart grants of $1800 to insulate their homes and to install clean-heating devices. A number of electrical companies city councils and banks have indicated they will do their bit by offering loans to cover any extra expenses incurred. This policy will have a range of benefits. It will stimulate the building and construction industry and create jobs for the men and women who will do the refitting. There will be jobs at the level that we need them in construction for electricians for builders and for plumbers. It will stimulate and improve energy efficiency in people’s homes and in the longer term New Zealand families and children will experience warmer drier and much healthier living conditions. 
The Budget also includes funding for measures we announced earlier in the year to help the sharpest effects of the recession including the ReStart package for people made redundant and the small-business relief package. It also includes funding for initiatives that came out of the Job Summit in February. These include the $50 million for the New Zealand cycleway the 9-day fortnight scheme the boost to workplace literacy funds the introduction of summer research scholarships for university students and increased investment in international education promotion. In total we deliver a net increase in new operating spending of $5.8 billion over the forecast period out to 2011-2012. 
In addition to this year’s spending there has been a considerable amount of reprioritisation within existing levels of Government spending. We identified a total of more than $2 billion in spending over the forecast period that either did not accord with our priorities or had a relatively low value. We have used that money to fund other initiatives of more value. 
Hon MARYAN STREET (Labour) 
: 
 I speak in this debate to draw attention to a number of things the National Government has done that work in exactly the opposite way to its stated aims. National members have said repeatedly their aim is to protect Kiwis from the worst effects of the recession yet where do they go to in order to make some of their most trenchant cuts in this Budget? They turn to education. At just the moment when a Government should be investing in its people this Government has chosen to prioritise school buildings. Although school buildings will always require maintenance and development a time when we are seeing redundancies forced lay-offs and the contraction of the economy is the moment when any thinking Government that had a commitment to New Zealanders would be investing in people by allowing them to have cheap access to programmes where they can upskill and retrain in order to fit themselves to meet the demands of this recession. What this Government has been doing denies New Zealanders access to some of the lowest-cost and most universally available courses in the country for training retraining and upskilling themselves. 
I will start with adult and community education because one of the things that members opposite keep saying is that they are investing and are investing more in literacy and numeracy skills. The figures do not bear that out; the figures in fact demonstrate that in this Budget there has been a substantial cut to the provision for literacy and numeracy projects over the term of the Budget. Apart from that it is also clear that this Government has no awareness of the number of jobs that are being adversely affected. 
Let us just take the adult and community education sector to begin with. There are other things that I wish to talk about in the course of my 10 minutes and I will get to them. But I say that in the adult and community education sector this Government is realising only now because of the petitions and the postcard campaign that the adult and community education sector is spearheading around the country that 400000 New Zealanders access quality accessible community-based education programmes on an annual basis. 
The Minister of Education Anne Tolley seeks to denigrate and ridicule courses that hundreds of people are writing to me about. I refer to all the emails and letters that are pouring in to me about the cuts to adult and community education and about how those cuts will impede people’s ability to access formal education and skills programmes that give them the confidence having been made redundant to re-enter the workforce. After having been made to feel worthless by a forced redundancy people’s entry back into the paid workforce has typically been through skills training and the courses that have been offered at a grassroots level through school programmes. We commonly think of those as night classes although they are frequently run at other times of the day as well. But beyond that people forget and clearly this Government has forgotten that 9.5 percent of the funding that goes to secondary schools to run adult and community education programmes has to go forward to other community organisations to enable them to run other programmes. 
That brings me to one of the things that I wanted to talk about. The Minister for Social Development and Employment Paula Bennett talked earlier this year about the need to have parenting education orders in place to compel the parents of problematic and troubled children who are presenting in our justice system to attend parenting courses. Those parenting courses are run by a range of providers but quite frequently they are run as secondary school night classes by adult community education programmes and by community organisations. The money given to the secondary schools is passed on to those organisations to fund those programmes. On the one hand the Prime Minister and the Minister for Social Development and Employment say we should enhance and expand the programme of parenting courses and on the other hand the Minister of Education is taking away the wherewithal to provide those courses. 
I also mention something that really makes no sense in the context of this recession and that is the cutting of funding for industry training. The Minister of Education proceeds with her offensive and insulting denigration of what she deems to be a “hobby” course when in fact learning Italian at Wellington High School was of enormous benefit to a man who fixes European cars. He specialises in European cars and wanted to learn Italian because the manuals for some of those cars are written in Italian. Why should he not go and learn Italian? But the Minister would have us believe that is a hobby course. It is clearly imperative to that man’s business for him to understand Italian. If I had an Italian car I would quite like it to be repaired by somebody who understood the manual as opposed to somebody who had taken a guess at it. 
The cuts to the funding for industry training make less sense than anything else that this Government has cut in education. The Minister of Education has chopped $15.1 million from industry training funding and that includes cutting the CPI adjustment for 2010—that is $9 million. It means reducing the growth in funding for embedded literacy programmes. I am sorry but the rhetoric does not match the practice. The rhetoric is all about the need to improve literacy and numeracy skills yet exactly that kind of programme—an embedded literacy programme—is being cut with the reduced industry training funding. If people cannot retrain and upskill themselves in their workplace or if they have lost their jobs retrain and upskill themselves through additional industry training available through apprenticeships and through employer-assisted programmes then how will we manage to pull New Zealand out of this recession with a better-skilled more literate and more numerate labour force? 
The Minister of Education needs to answer those charges because at best there has been an under-investment at every turn in education just at the time when investment is important and at worst there have been drastic and Draconian cuts. Members opposite know that because they are beginning to get petitions and they are beginning to get postcards like the ones I am holding up—and these do not even reflect the number of email communications I have sitting in an email folder in my parliamentary computer. The lack of foresight and lack of thought in this Budget simply beggar belief. This Government does New Zealanders a disservice in the way it is approaching education. This is the moment in time when education should be the priority not the poor relation. This is the moment in time when the Government’s Budget ought to reflect education as being a priority for this nation. The Budget is a shame. 
JOHN HAYES (National—Wairarapa) 
: 
 I have listened to Parliament for some time this afternoon and it strikes me that any fool can criticise and many have been doing so this afternoon. I stand to congratulate John Key and Bill English on a wonderful Budget which is full of common sense and leadership and makes the choices that have to be made. Contrary to comments made in the House this afternoon by luminaries like Ruth Dyson a perfect example demonstrating that “critics are the stupid who discuss the wise” I have to say that the Opposition has come up with nothing that should concern our electorate. It is carping criticism for the sake of it. 
I want to report to the House that the people of the Wairarapa in my electorate stretching from Ngawi in the south to Waipawa in the north are absolutely delighted with this Budget. They keep stopping me in the street and they say they are really supportive. They say that John Key is doing a great job and Bill English is doing a great job. They are really proud of the Government— 
Hon Phil Heatley 
: And Phil Heatley! 
JOHN HAYES 
: They say: “Thank goodness we moved the people on who tried to send us to the cleaners.” Yes they like Phil Heatley because he is about to announce more honorary fishing officers to come to the Wairarapa coast. So even the people in my electorate are very supportive of the Minister of Fisheries and good on him! They are highly supportive of this Government. They can see that John Key and Bill English have moved to cushion our community from the sharp edges of this recession. Those people see that new core Crown spending of $2.9 million on projects like improving Muldoon’s Corner and upgrading the Kuripuni school in my electorate combined with the tax cuts will keep supporting this economy and will keep this country ticking over. Contrary to comments made by the previous speaker and the one before I can confirm that superannuation has been preserved at 66 percent of the average wage and all this carry-on from the Opposition about cuts being made to superannuation is simply not true. 
We have also maintained benefits for the students and Working for Families. We have improved public services by putting $3 billion extra into the health sector over the next 3 years. We have put $1.68 billion into the education sector and yes some cake-decorating courses are being cancelled. We have put 600 new police into the community. We are strengthening the economy for the future so that businesses can thrive. I can report to the House that for example JNL Juken Nissho Ltd operating in Masterton went from— 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: I am sorry to interrupt the honourable member but the time has come for me to leave the Chair. 
Sitting suspended from 6 p.m. to 7.30 p.m. 
JOHN HAYES 
: I will just recap a little. Earlier on I made the point that I had been sitting through the debate in the House this afternoon; I have to say that any fool can criticise and this afternoon many have been doing so. On top of that because a lot of fear and misinformation was being promulgated by the Opposition I will point out and really make it clear that the Government moved very specifically to guarantee superannuation at 66 percent of the average wage. The Government also went out of its way to maintain benefits to students and to those on Work and Income benefits. It also made a commitment to improve public services and agreed in the Budget to spend a further $3 billion on health and $1.68 billion on increased education expenditure. And my colleague the Minister of Police has found the money to provide an additional 600 police. 
I feel that the Government has moved very strongly to strengthen this country’s economic future and we support that. People in my electorate are saying they are very very supportive of the Key-English direction of this economy. In my electorate we are beginning to see improvements. One of our biggest companies Juken Nissho Ltd which processes logs went from three shifts to one shift but it has now just gone back to two shifts. If we look at other entities in the Wairarapa like the Taratahi Agricultural Training Centre which employs 700 full-time equivalent students and which has a total budget of $25 million annually we see that these sorts of institutions are making huge fundamental differences in driving our economy forward. We need to grow the educational capacity of our young people if we are to move this country and this economy forward. 
There are two areas though where I am a little bit concerned. Although the Government is going through Government agencies line by line and is making sure that the taxpayer money it is spending is being spent wisely and necessarily I do not see the same happening in the five local bodies in my electorate. I am very concerned that some local bodies under their long-term plans feel that the Government can move through tax cuts to put more money into people’s pockets and keep benefits flowing but those bodies then seem to think they can vacuum up that surplus. For example the South Wairarapa District Council is planning to raise rates by 20 percent next year and the Masterton District Council is going to raise its rates by 30 percent over the next 3 years and rates are due to rise in Waipukurau by 16 percent and Waipawa by 10 percent. These sorts of rate rises are unacceptable to the people in my community and in the context of our present economic environment and in the direction this country is trying to go under John Key’s leadership I think these rate rises really have to be addressed by our communities. 
As well the South Wairarapa District Council has 29 councillors servicing a community of 40000 people. We can traverse then to Mr Hide’s moves on the Auckland super-city where there will be 20 councillors dealing with 1.4 million people. Something is out of whack. I am finding that our communities want change my constituents want change but the obstacles to change very often are the councillors who do not wish to vote for an early Christmas; I think that that is highly unfortunate. We must as communities take charge of our circumstances in our communities and drive efficiencies in a way we have previously not moved. 
So I call on my communities to rise up against these rate rises and to force common sense on our local bodies. We have seen that the Government led by Michael Cullen and his colleague “Put-it-on-the-bill-Phil” left a series of black holes for the following Government—us—to fall into. We saw it in accident compensation expenditure where there was a black hole of between $1.5 billion to $2 billion. But I was astonished last night to discover that in South Auckland we have thousands—I am told—of young Pacific Island children who are not in our schools and not getting access to health care because their parents are too afraid of being caught out as being overstayers. This is the problem that that previous Labour Government has left to us; it did not address this sort of problem. Just as that Government did with accident compensation it has dropped us in a hole. Well we must address these problems. We cannot let this country go on in the shambolic way our Labour colleagues drove it over the last long 9 years. For those reasons I am very supportive of the direction this Government is taking. 
We are seeing that the global shocks are now abating we are seeing firms that cannot continue to cut their stock levels we are seeing investor panic receding and we are seeing householders rehabilitate their balance sheets. Our Government’s activism is helping this country to recover more quickly and we are seeing markets in China and Brazil rebounding. We still have tough challenges to address in this country but John Key’s Government is up to it. Thank you. 
MOANA MACKEY (Labour) 
: 
 I am very pleased to stand and take a call in this debate. That was a very telling speech from the member who has just resumed his seat. I do not think he actually talked much about this bill at all. He talked about how he wants to amalgamate all the councils in his local area and he blamed all the democratically elected councillors over there in his electorate. That is fine and good on him but I suspect that if he keeps passing the buck blaming everything on his local councillors and not accepting any responsibility as a member of a Government he might not be the local member for very long. 
This Budget was a real opportunity for the Government and the people of New Zealand expected to see some vision and a plan—a plan for lifting New Zealand out of recession faster a plan for ensuring that we do not make exactly the same mistakes the National Government made last time we went through a recession and a plan that ensures that when we do come out of recession we hit the ground running and New Zealand is not left at the back of the pack as we were the last time Mr Carter was a Minister in Government. 
I think that New Zealanders hoped that National might have learnt from the failures of the past—learnt what worked and what did not—and might have come up with some kind of concrete visible transparent plan to assist New Zealand during this difficult time. But we got no plan. There was no plan for jobs and the Prime Minister admitted yesterday that 1000 New Zealanders are joining the dole queue every single week. As we heard in question time today he has no plan to stem that—no plan to create jobs— 
John Hayes 
: It’s a good place for you to go. 
MOANA MACKEY 
: Well you see that is the level of debate that we get from National members. Even Mr Paul Quinn is being quiet because he is taking this seriously. 
Paul Quinn 
: Ha ha! 
MOANA MACKEY 
: I knew that would get him started. All John Hayes can say is that the dole queue is a good place for me to go. That is the level of intellectual thinking on that side of the House. [ 
Interruption 
] I tell Mr Hayes that we on this side of the House take the situation a little bit more seriously than his party does quite obviously. 
We hoped we would see something—anything—to create jobs in New Zealand and to hold on to the jobs we have. We hoped we would see something of a plan to help the people who unlike Mr Hayes do not have a guaranteed job in here for 3 years and are genuinely concerned about how they will feed their families over the course of the next few years. We hoped we would see a little bit of a plan in this Budget but there was no plan. 
Let us look at some of the areas of the Budget and let us look in particular at research science and technology. The Government had the gall to put out a press release stating that this Budget made a substantial increase in its investment in research science and technology. Of course it failed to mention the fact that when we consider that the Government has removed Labour’s research and development tax credit we see that there is in fact a cut of more than $1.2 billion. There has been a cut of $1.2 billion in the very sector that could help to bring us out of this recession faster the very sector that we need to help us create wealth in this country. 
The National Government has said that it does not value that sector at all and does not think it is important enough to keep those incentives. Mr John Walley said just this week that recent statistics show that New Zealand’s private sector investment in research and development is 0.51 percent of GDP. That is a third of the OECD average. He called on this Government to take that seriously and to reinstate some kind of tax incentive. 
Members on this side of the House are not saying the Government has to reintroduce exactly the same thing we did. What we want to see is some kind of tax incentive because it has been shown to work everywhere around the world. So I want to know what the Minister of Finance knows and I want to know what every single one of our trading partners who has these tax incentives in place does not know. 
Not only are tax incentives working in those countries but they are also putting New Zealand at a strategic disadvantage. When we look over the Tasman we see that Mr Kevin Rudd is increasing and improving the tax incentives for research and development yet New Zealand is going 100 kilometres in the opposite direction by removing them in their entirety. 
I come now to the New Zealand Fast Forward Fund. National likes to talk about being the party of the agricultural sector. If we compare the scheme that Labour put in place with the insipid anaemic scheme that has replaced it we would have to say that that is absolutely not true. Although we can talk about the quantum of that fund and that is very important National seems to have failed to grasp that one of the most significant things about the Fast Forward Fund is that long-term funding certainty was provided for our research sector for the first time. The sector knew that the fund was there for 10 to 15 years and that it was a significantly sized fund. The sector knew that it was not something politicians could dip into and it knew it would not have to come cap in hand to the Government every single year just hoping that it would get an appropriation. 
Researchers working in the food and pastoral sectors quite rightly feel very worried. They have told me that next year’s appropriation for pastoral and food innovation initiatives might go the same way the tax cuts went. How can the sector be certain that its funding for next year will be there? How can it be certain that its funding for the year after will be there? The reality is that it cannot. 
One of the fundamental foundations of the Fast Forward Fund was that long-term stability and that has gone as well in this Budget. So we do not have any plan to stimulate the economy. We saw that a full third of the tax cuts in the Budget went to the top 3 percent of income earners. That is nothing more than just paying off one’s cronies; let us be honest about it. There is absolutely no economic reason why we would push the tax cuts towards people who will save the money or go on an overseas holiday and spend it on stimulating other people’s economies. 
If we really want to use tax cuts to provide economic stimulus we would give them to the people who will spend them. We would give them to the people who need them now—the people who will use them to pay the bills feed their families and pay their mortgage. That is the kind of thing one would do with that money. Not only is that economically the right thing to do but it is morally the right thing to do. These are the very people who are struggling right now. 
One of the big issues in this Budget really had to be the stopping of payments into the New Zealand Superannuation Fund. We have heard a lot of comments from National members. They have been crowing and saying that superannuation has to remain at the current level of entitlement. But what they do not say when they make those comments is: “But we’ve stopped the funding that will pay for that.” 
Hon Anne Tolley 
: Rubbish! 
MOANA MACKEY 
: Oh it’s rubbish. 
Hon Anne Tolley 
: The fund will fund only 14 percent. 
MOANA MACKEY 
: Oh right! The fund will be $35 billion short by the time the baby boomers retire. 
Hon Anne Tolley 
: You don’t understand. 
MOANA MACKEY 
: I say to Mrs Tolley that if Labour had realised we did not need to pay for superannuation then we would not have had a fund at all. We would not have had a fund if we had realised that money was not the problem. 
Now is the time we should be maintaining this fund. The superannuation fund did very well last month. Can the Government members who are all yelling at me now answer one simple question? How can we maintain the current levels of entitlement to New Zealand superannuation if the money is not there to pay for it? 
Hon David Parker 
: They believe in Santa too. 
MOANA MACKEY 
: That is right. Maybe the pixies will bring it. Maybe Santa will bring it for them. The fact is that it cannot be done. 
National has made a political calculation that it will not be here when that problem arises. That will be a problem for a future generation. 
Hon Darren Hughes 
: When Paul Quinn is Prime Minister. 
MOANA MACKEY 
: When Paul Quinn is the Prime Minister this will be his problem. 
While we are on the topic of cuts that will affect our young people we have to look at the cuts in education industry training tertiary education and adult and community education. We have to ask what this Government is thinking. National did this the last time we went through a recession. The last time New Zealand went through a recession a National Government cut industry training funding cut tertiary education funding cut funding to the areas that will upskill people and cut apprenticeships. 
We are now going through a period when people need to be upskilled. A lot of people have got jobs that are not particularly skilled. They are now finding that they are the first in the dole queue because they are the unskilled workers. The first port of call for these people would be adult and community education. That is absolutely their first port of call. They will want to upskill. 
Paul Quinn 
: Now we’re on to adult education are we? 
MOANA MACKEY 
: I suggest that Mr Quinn might want to have a look at taking a few adult and community education courses. 
The fact is that we will come out of this recession with an unskilled workforce exactly as we did the last time National was in Government. What happened the last time we were in a recession? New Zealand took a lot longer to recover and we had bottlenecks within our economy because we had such an unskilled workforce. This National Government knows that because it was National’s fault—National did it. It was a Labour Government that had to come in and deal with the reality of it. Labour had to come in and boost industry training. Labour reintroduced Modern Apprenticeships and boosted them up. We moved faster than we promised we would because there was such a bottleneck in our economy. And here we are again! 
John Hayes 
: Do you realise you’ve said nothing of substance in 10 minutes? 
MOANA MACKEY 
: I say to Mr Hayes that a definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. This Budget was the very definition of insanity. 
CRAIG FOSS (National—Tukituki) 
: 
 I am looking forward to speaking on the Appropriation (2008/09 Supplementary Estimates) Bill and the Imprest Supply (First for 2008/09) Bill which form part of the “road-to-recovery Budget” as read by the Hon Bill English on 28 May. I have a few notes to speak to but I cannot resist picking up on some of the points the previous speaker made. Excuse me if I do not quote her exactly but I think it was that now is the time to invest. [ 
Interruption 
] To borrow? Well I will come back to that in a minute. I think it was to borrow funds to invest. It is very interesting because under the previous Government’s watch last year the superannuation fund lost $5 billion to $6 billion accident compensation lost about $3 billion to $4 billion and the National Provident Fund lost about $1.5 billion to $2 billion. Those members are now trying to give us investment advice. 
They should think it through think what the legacy of the—[ 
Interruption 
] I am more than happy to call it the Cullen fund when it is doing that. That does beg the question and I know that another speaker said this on the reading of another bill along the way: “Tell us what you would invest in.”. I say to those sages give us some advice! Should investment be on shares currency or in fixed interest and should it be in New Zealand or outside New Zealand? Would that previous Government have continued to invest in Australian infrastructure with the superannuation fund? Or would it start to invest in New Zealand? What would it have done? Where is the advice? Labour should remember that it lost about $10 billion to $11 billion of net worth off the balance sheet in the last year. Those members should not stand up and try to give investment advice. Please! They should not even attempt to do that. They can talk about the generics but do not say that now is the time to invest without coming up with something they think is worthwhile for the taxpayers of New Zealand to invest in. 
Opposition members keep forgetting the other side of the balance sheet. I will come back to that again. Under the current set of accounts—the accounts as Labour left them and the accounts as they deteriorated after Budget 2008—in May whatever the case the previous Government would have had to borrow and to continue to borrow. It is worth mentioning that in that Budget State financial asset sales of $6.7 billion were announced and an extra borrowing of $6.7 billion was announced. When members on the other side get up and start to claim that it is a new world or there are new accounts the previous Minister of Finance had the numbers right in his hot little hand. 
It is very interesting and somewhat questionable I guess how fast and rapidly the accounts deteriorated post-Budget 2008. Interestingly in that Budget there was hardly any reference at all to the KiwiRail purchase other than a mention in the contingent liability of a potential write-down which I will come back to again. As we know the negative asset of KiwiRail was paid for at about $1.2 billion all up and is now worth $350 million. Basically in the space of under 8 months that supposed asset ended up as something that Wall Street New York would be proud of. It was bought by the previous administration but $800 million - odd has been knocked off its value. Members opposite should not dare get up and ask questions about why there is no money for this that and some other proposal. They should not dare to get up and pass on investment advice when in fact under their Government’s watch we lost billions upon billions. 
New Zealand entered a recession about a year before the rest of the world. We led the world in beginning the global recession so a number of reasons contribute to the fact that this Budget has to be in the shape and form of a “road-to-recovery Budget”. It is a Budget that is right for these times and it is a pragmatic Budget. 
We did not take on board the unfunded spending of the previous Government but we did have to take on board its spending. Some hard choices were made. That is quite correct. Some reprioritisations had to happen. Almost all of them were uncomfortable to do but we are quite proud that we have stepped up and been honest and transparent. If we look at the forward track of this Budget we see the results of a very strategic Budget as read by Mr English. As I noted page 1 of the Budget has the debt graphs. If the previous administration had stayed in office and if their policies as in their press releases and as announced had continued then the debt to GDP ratio which was already nudging 70 percent would have continued to go north over the next 4 or 5 years. In fact we now see the curve coming down. It will go to about 37-odd percent of GDP. 
From that simple graph and those statistics came New Zealand’s upgrade in our credit rating. I will come back to that again because members opposite do not seem to comprehend one iota how important that is to New Zealand. I was very surprised that their leader a former Minister of Foreign Affairs and Trade who I thought had knowledge of these things had no idea embarrassing himself on national TV on  
Breakfast 
 the day after the Budget saying that it did not really matter. Not long after that his finance spokesman had another version of events but again we will come back to that. 
I will show members the quick statistics because some members opposite keep saying it is all a surprise about what the Budget shows today. Budget 2008 forecast a surplus of $1 billion. Before the last election remember when Labour was still in Government the figure came down to negative $1.7 billion which was a deficit. The deterioration was obvious. We have seen it happen around the globe and the situation was rapidly deteriorating. At that stage the bad scenario from the Treasury forecast looked pretty much where we are now. The December Economic and Fiscal Update showed a deficit of $4.1 billion. As announced in this Budget unfortunately but realistically we have a $7.7 billion deficit. No that is not good. No we do not enjoy that fact but we are being up front honest and open. We are showing New Zealand what has to be done to start the recovery from the previous 9 years of unfocused unaccountable non-transparent unmeasurable announcements that the previous Government made which had core spending going up and up whilst core revenue was always very vulnerable and deteriorating down. 
That brings me to a very interesting point. A previous speaker the Hon Shane Jones kept asking where the revenue boost is and where the hike is. That spoke volumes about that party because what is revenue? It is an increase in taxes. Right there he alluded to what would be in the supposed mini-Budget after the election if his party had unfortunately managed to get in. Actually that party was going to hike taxes because of its concentration on just that side of the ledger which again speaks volumes because it is not just about one side of the ledger. It is not just about revenue. There is expenditure the funny old thing that has put New Zealand in the situation we are in right now where expenditure is compounding up and up and core funding is going down. It just shows where members opposite concentrate their thinking: “There is a problem. I know let’s raise taxes.” I guess they are being truthful because between 2004 and 2009 tax revenue went up about $20 billion per annum. 
There has been a lot of attention given to the Government’s reprioritising of spending on adult and community education. I fronted a meeting yesterday. About 70 or 80 people were there and we discussed it. We all agreed on the unfortunate situation as to why we have to reprioritise so much in the accounts. We gave the example of KiwiRail. We talked about the $1 billion that had been written off and was not available for education health or the small little courses that these people had been signing up to and attending whether they were hobby courses personal growth courses or whatever they were. That is the bit that members opposite do not get. There is the net worth. There are two sides to the Budget and it comes down to this number I am pointing out. It is a big negative. We inherited one big negative in a decade of deficits. 
Hon Darren Hughes 
: That’s not cash Craig and you know that. 
CRAIG FOSS 
: Does the member want to discuss it? I say step outside and we will discuss it sir. 
Where does the cash come from? It has to come from borrowings. It was in the previous Government’s Budget. It started the borrowings. So there are assets liabilities net worth and cash. It speaks volumes again that members opposite are confused about this particular matter. 
I will come right back to where I started to the sage investment advice from members opposite who talked about how it is time to invest! Basically they are saying we should go out borrow money for the superannuation fund and invest it in something because all investments make money. Goodness gracious me! A final point is that when the superannuation fund was set up by the previous Minister of Finance the entire construct was made to allow for movements and fluctuations in cash in the economy. It is stated there and I have quotes from the previous Minister of Finance if necessary. Thank you. 
KELVIN DAVIS (Labour) 
: 
 My contribution to the Appropriation (2008/09 Supplementary Estimates) Bill and the imprest supply debate will centre on tourism and education. 
Tourism speaks for itself when we look at the statistics. Tourism is our greatest export earner. It contributes 20 percent of our economy. One in 10 New Zealanders is employed in the tourism industry. It makes sense to invest in tourism. When we look at the figures for our investment in overseas marketing we see that we receive $26 back for every dollar we spend in Australia we receive $11 back for every dollar we spend in the United Kingdom and we receive $16 back for every dollar we spend in the United States. 
The money we spend marketing New Zealand to overseas markets is a return we receive within a season. Members can imagine that people over in Australia now who are looking at the “what’s on in New Zealand” advertisements about the ski season and the snow-covered mountains do not look at those advertisements then decide to visit New Zealand in 10 years’ time in order to enjoy the snow experience. They want to come now within the season within 12 months. So it makes sense that New Zealand invests in marketing. 
Unfortunately when we look at the Budget we see that $6 million has been taken off the fund to market New Zealand. I have spent time talking to people in the tourism industry in Kaitaia the Bay of Islands Whangarei Auckland Wellington and Queenstown. Every single tourism operator I spoke to said we have to invest in marketing New Zealand so that we maintain market share overseas. Countries such as Norway market themselves as the New Zealand of the north asking why customers should travel for 24 hours to get to New Zealand to see fiords and snow-capped mountains when they can fly just 2 hours from London to experience the same deal. People from the United Kingdom will take the short option unless we maintain our market share. It is unfortunate that our funding for marketing has been cut. 
When we are told that we are in a recession and there is not much money to go around it just absolutely blows me away that the Prime Minister in his role as Minister of Tourism can find a lazy $50 million sitting in his back pocket to build a cycleway. We know now that that cycleway will not be the dream strip of concrete or whatever it was going to be running from Te Rerenga Wairua—Cape Reinga as others know it—down to Invercargill. Instead it will be a series of great rides. I am a cyclist; I enjoy cycling. The cycleway is not a bad idea I guess. But the $50 million cycleway was going to create something like 3000 jobs. So far I know of one job that has been created by the cycleway. I know that somewhere there is a policy analyst who is employed to try to progress the cycleway. So I guess the cycleway has not been a total waste of money; $50 million has gone towards funding some policy analyst somewhere who is trying to progress this idea.  
I was at the Trenz conference the week before last in Auckland where a number of tourism operators came together to sell their wares to companies from overseas. If New Zealand tourism operators can get their businesses in magazines and brochures overseas then it is really beneficial and lucrative to their businesses. We were told the Prime Minister would make a significant announcement so people held their breath waiting for this significant announcement on tourism. What did we get? We got a facelift for Auckland; $20 million is going towards buying Queen’s Wharf. I can solve another problem for the Government with that $20 million. When the Rugby World Cup is over—when party central is over—we can put the containers back on Queen’s Wharf throw in some windows with bars and have Queen’s Wharf prison. We can kill two birds with one stone. 
I want to ask the Prime Minister how many tourists he will attract who are not already going to be here for the Rugby World Cup at party central. How many people are sitting in their lounges somewhere in the United Kingdom Europe or the United States saying “Wow! New Zealand is doing up its waterfront and doing up Queen’s Wharf. It will fill in the potholes on Jellicoe Street so let’s go to New Zealand.”? Absolutely nobody is going to come to New Zealand just because Jellicoe Street has been done up. It is a joke. I have to tell members that the delegates at the conference were highly disappointed. They got nothing out of it. I do not disagree with the party central theme for the Rugby World Cup. It will be fantastic for those people who are here for the Rugby World Cup. But I think we are suffering a bit from “world-cup-itis”. No tourism operators outside of Auckland will benefit in any real terms from Jellicoe Street having a new layer of tarseal and a lick of paint. The tourism industry is disappointed. The Prime Minister decided he wanted to be the Minister of Tourism and he promised so much yet the tourism industry received so little. I share its concerns because as I said earlier the tourism industry from Cape Reinga to Invercargill is saying that marketing of New Zealand is the best value for money we can get. In the Budget I am sorry to say funding for marketing was cut. 
Moving on to education I hung my head in shame at question time today to think that some people believe that moving Maori kids who are failing at secondary school to university is the solution to fix schooling. The solution to fix schooling is investing in teachers and professional development. I take the point made earlier by my whanaunga over there Tau Henare that teachers’ colleges should be training teachers in skills such as Te Kotahitanga. It is a fantastic programme; he is right. [ 
Interruption 
] It is being done. The principles of Te Kotahitanga are being taught in training colleges at the moment. But the big problem is that a number of teachers who have been teaching for 20 or 30 years have not yet had that experience. They need to be trained. They need professional development to be invested in them. Teachers who have been teaching for 20 or 30 years will not have had the benefit of Te Kotahitanga. It is important that we understand that. That is why professional development is the way forward. 
If we are going to solve the problem of Maori underachievement we should not shift the problem on to universities. One of the problems in trying to engage Maori kids in schools is that they do not like being lectured to. They do not like what we call “talk and chalk”. Yet Dr Sharples said today that we should move the kids to university so that instead of being in a class of 25 or whatever they can be in a class of 500. They will have a lecturer at the front of the lecture theatre whom they can see with binoculars who will definitely “talk and chalk” to them and who will basically turn them off. That is the pedagogy that turns kids off. It is very disappointing to see that professional development has been cut and also that adult education courses have been cut significantly. Thank you Mr Assistant Speaker Roy. 
JACQUI DEAN (National—Waitaki) 
: 
 Here we are for the imprest supply debate and the second reading the Appropriation (2008/09 Supplementary Estimates) Bill talking about a Budget that in effect is tidying up after 9 years of a Labour Government 9 years of Labour mismanagement with us the National Government not only having to deal with the effects of a worldwide economic downtown but also having to spend a lot of time and energy dealing with the mess the Labour Government left behind it. One of the previous speakers this evening Moana Mackey who spoke after the dinner break said it all. When Moana Mackey was speaking on contributions to the Cullen fund she said “Now is the time that we should be investing”. My question to Moana Mackey and members of the Labour Opposition as we sit on a $7.7 billion deficit is “Investing with what?”. Moana Mackey’s comment just goes to show that Labour does not understand the times. The economic times have passed Labour by. Once again the National Government has been left to pick up the pieces after 9 years of good economic times which Labour entirely failed to capitalise on. “Now is the time that we should be investing” said Moana Mackey. Investing with what? I would love to hear the answer to that question. 
Another previous speaker this evening and other contributions to this bill have raised with some bemusement the subject of the magnificent Budget initiative to invest $50 million over 3 years in a regional cycleway. What a fantastic initiative on behalf of a National Government the cycleway is! I will tell members why the national cycleway is a great investment. The Otago Central Rail Trail has invested $7 million into the Central Otago economy. Over 300 jobs have been created in Central Otago. Pubs that were dying are now back open again. Farmers who were struggling now have income coming into their farm operations through accommodation. People who were previously struggling and looking for work are now employed because of the cycleway. 
Labour members do not understand. They do not understand that in provincial New Zealand 350 jobs are significant. An injection of outside money of $7 million is significant. The beauty of this cycleway strategy is that that will be replicated up and down the country. That is good news. But Labour does not like good news. It cannot cope with good news. 
There are some good news stories in this Budget. I want to turn to those. This Budget is focused on jobs. In terms of the cycleway strategy Labour members do not understand. They think there is one big-bang thing that will create jobs. They do not understand that a number of strategies are contained in this excellent Budget and that they are what will drive the recovery of the economy of this great country. 
I will start with the excellent home insulation programme. The reason I want to start with that programme is that in the South Island we experience some pretty severe winters. I was in Cromwell yesterday. It was minus 6 degrees then a shower of rain came at 7.30 in the morning and the roads turned to ice. I can tell members that people are cold in their homes in places like Cromwell Ranfurly Alexandra and Invercargill. The South Island is cold in the winter. This home insulation programme is good news for the people of the South Island and of course for people all over New Zealand. So what is the programme? It is a campaign to fit homes that were built before the year 2000 with insulation and clean-heating devices such as heat pumps and approved wood burners. 
About 180000 households are eligible for grants of up to $1800 regardless of income. This is good news. It is very good news for the people of the lower South Island. Of course community services card holders will be eligible for grants of up to $3000. This initiative starts on 1 July this year and many many people are inquiring about it. The best news of all is that it is fully costed and fully funded unlike the rather pale imitation of an initiative that Labour pulled out in the dying days of its regime which as we know was not funded at all. I move on to health and this is another concern of the people down in the South Island. If people are not warm in their homes if they do have good access to health services they feel it. 
The Budget in 2009 includes an additional $3 billion of investment in health services. This is such good news. It includes $750 million in 2009-10. The intention of this is to improve the services of district health boards and to meet population pressures. The population is growing in Central Otago. There will be 800 more health professionals to increase elective surgery capacity and that is worth $70 million. The National Government will be improving maternity services. Once again that is an area where many concerns were brought to me when I was in Opposition. Many concerns about maternity services and access to them were brought to me particularly from people in rural areas. This initiative of $103.5 million will help to meet that need. That is great news for young women and their partners in places like Central Otago east Otago north Otago and South Canterbury—I could go on—where there has been a level of concern about this. 
There will be an upgrading of the health sector infrastructure including a start to the construction of 20 new dedicated elective surgery theatres. That is good news for us in the south and that is worth $245 million. 
This Government is investing in health and education. There will be $1.68 billion over the years 2010-13 to improve facilities and to lift educational achievement. Our excellent Minister of Education the Hon Anne Tolley has been very strong on the need for us to improve on literacy and numeracy. So it is excellent news that from 1 July 2010 the National Government will expand the 20 hours’ free early childhood education scheme to 5-year-olds; the scheme will also include playcentres and kohanga reo. Many communities around my part of the country have playcentres only. They felt that they were missing out on the advantages of early childhood centres that had access to this funding. Now National is bringing them access to that funding and that is good news. 
There will be $36 million going towards helping students meet national standards in literacy and numeracy. Parents care about literacy and numeracy for their children. 
I could go on about the many many Budget initiatives but I want to close by saying that this is a good Budget for 2009. This Budget is designed to keep the economy going amidst some severe global turmoil. It is a wide-ranging Budget. It is focused on growth and it is focused on jobs. 
DAVID BENNETT (National—Hamilton East) 
: 
 As I follow on from that excellent speech I have to say it is important that New Zealanders look at the history of the circumstances we are in at the moment. This is not a time when New Zealanders need a Government or a Parliament that is expressing wild views and desires. This is a time when New Zealanders need a Parliament that is realistic pragmatic and conservative. This is a time when some major economic issues are facing our country our people and the international community. It is not a time to make rash promises. It is not a time to say— 
Chris Hipkins 
: That wasn’t the National Party position before the election. 
DAVID BENNETT 
: This is not a time for that kind of rash talk from the Labour Party members. This is a time when we need to be out there and listening to the people working out what is needed and delivering it. 
This Budget is a pragmatic Budget. This Budget takes into account the economic circumstances we face as a country. This Budget has delivered a solution that has had international success in that we had a credit upgrade within hours of this Budget being released. This Budget has shown that financial management in difficult times can be done in a way that maintains core services but at the same time is fiscally prudent. That is the balance that the New Zealand Government wanted and the Minister of Finance Bill English deserves a big pat on the back for doing that. 
Our compatriots across the ditch in Australia were not able to do that. Their Budget was far too optimistic one could say in regard to what they saw as their growth projections and it did not go down as well in the international community as our Budget did. When people looked at our Budget from a distance they said that it takes into account what is required to provide those core services to the New Zealand public while actually providing a direction for this country to get through the recession. 
That balancing act is something the National Government can be very proud of achieving—as can the parties that worked with National on this Budget. A lot of the smaller parties in this House came through and delivered for their communities but at the same time were part of a Budget that was rational and delivered to the whole country. I thank those parties for stepping up to the mark and being supportive. I am talking about parties like the Maori Party the ACT Party and United Future. They are all very successful members in terms of getting this Budget through so that we have a strong Budget for this country as it goes forward. 
This Budget is not without sacrifices. We had to make a big sacrifice in regard to taxation and we had to make a sacrifice in regard to superannuation. But the sacrifice in regard to taxation has I think been very much one that the New Zealand public has supported. When we go about among the public at the moment they are aware that they could be losing their jobs tomorrow. That is the reality people face. Those who are in business are also aware that they are not making profits. These are very difficult times for New Zealanders out there whether they are in business or are wage earners and they wanted a Budget that took that into account. We did that. We looked beyond the political ideology that the Labour Party looked at. We looked at what was right for New Zealand in these circumstances and we delivered that in this Budget. 
I turn now to superannuation. Labour Party members are going on about superannuation but they forget that the best thing we can do to pay for superannuation is to have a strong economy going forward. There is no point in borrowing money to put on the New York Stock Exchange. I would like to see those Labour members go to their individual bank managers tomorrow and ask to borrow the value of their assets and to put them on a US stock exchange. I want to see those Labour members do that and then see how far they get kicked out those doors. The reality is that it is not prudent investment at this time. For this country to get in a better position economically borrowing is not in its best interests. For New Zealanders going forward we can build a stronger economy and we can invest in infrastructure. We can make a strong country that will grow and therefore deliver the dividends to its citizens in the future. Those economic dividends will come through superannuation in time. But to get to that stage we need to build that economic environment. 
I applaud our team for doing that. I applaud them for taking into account those fundamental policy initiatives that we have been looking at maintaining such as in education in health in law and order and in infrastructure. But at the same time those members are delivering some economic rationale which will build a strong economy for us to go forward as a country. When we look at the infrastructure it is important to note that we have fulfilled many of our election promises around that in this Budget. There was a lot of talk about the broadband plan the upgrading of schools and the investments in transport. Those major infrastructural projects will not only deliver economic growth in the future but in the meantime they will deliver jobs for New Zealanders—jobs that are very difficult to come by at this time. 
The National Government has delivered a Budget that delivers to people now and in the future. It is a sensible Budget; a Budget that New Zealanders can be proud of. It is a Budget that defines the political landscape. On this side of the House the political landscape is one of a listening Government that makes the best decisions in the current circumstances. On the other side of the House what does one have? There is an Opposition party that wants to spend. It characterises itself as holier than thou while wanting to spend all the money that may be around. The fact is those members cannot justify what they are doing and saying. Imagine if they had actually written a Budget on the basis of what they were going to spend. What would the position of New Zealand be after a Labour Budget? It would be a shameful position. New Zealanders would be paying higher rates of interest on their mortgages. New Zealanders would see a lot of spending in areas that would not provide long-term returns for this country. New Zealanders would not have pride and respect for a Government that delivered a Budget that was important in the circumstances we face. I think that is important for New Zealanders to remember. 
At the end of this Budget debate it is all right for the Labour members to say that we should have spent money here and we should have spent money there but the reality is that the money is not there to spend. The New Zealand economy does not have the money that the Labour Party members are talking about. We have to be careful of how we spend money because every dollar counts at the moment. There is no room for rash promises. There is no room for taking money and spending it on political whims. There is no room for trying to buy votes as the Labour Party has constantly done. What we needed and what we got was a sensible Budget that takes into account our fiscal position but delivers a future. 
I am very proud to be part of a National Government that has set its first Budget in stone and is creating a great fundamental base for us to build on because not only are we building a structure that can go forward but we are doing it in a way that gives New Zealanders confidence in their Government. They are not seeing politicians making Budgets for political purposes. They are seeing a political party make Budgets in the best interests of this country. That is something that has been quite different from what one has seen in the past and shows the contrast between us and the Labour Party. The previous Labour Government’s Budgets have not been in the best interests of New Zealand. They have just been there for political expediency. Now New Zealanders will see financial management that takes into account where this country is where this country needs to go and how this country will get there. That is why the investment in those key fundamentals is so important. 
When we look at the Labour Party we see them try to provide this dream and this panacea of how things were with a Labour Budget. The reality is that Labour gave us our worst economic situation more so than any other Western country. It provided us with a situation where we were in recession before most other countries and it made expenditures on things like KiwiRail that were not in the best long-term interests of New Zealand. But the National Government has picked up on that. We have tried to do the best we can do in these circumstances. We have taken the power and made sure that even though we were given a raw deal from the previous Government we have delivered a Budget that will go forward into the future. 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Appropriation (2008/09 Supplementary Estimates) Bill and the Imprest Supply (First for 2009/10) Bill be now read a second time. 
Ayes 69 
New Zealand National 58; ACT New Zealand 5; Maori Party 5; United Future 1. 
Noes 52 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 9; Progressive 1. 
Bills read a second time.