Parker David; Brown SimeonHon DAVID PARKER (Labour): Thank for that honour Madam Chair. Well my comments are in particular in relation to the title but I do have to cross-reference the relevant clause 7 of the bill which talks about Targets … reducing carbon dioxide emissions" because I want the Minister to clarify that in fact the changing of those targets for carbon dioxide emissions could actually given the breadth of that power make the standard less onerous—i.e. vehicles would be less clean—which calls into question as to why the name is the Clean Vehicles Standard if it could be made dirtier so my question is whether that is—Tim van de Molen: Point of order! Point of order! Thank you Madam Chair. Look I just wanted come briefly to the comments made or raised by Mr Utikere in his point of order. I was just quickly seeking some clarification. As I understand this bill was introduced during the Budget urgency session so there has indeed been plenty of opportunity to consider it. It hasn't just been introduced to the House today—CHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger): Yes that's true Mr van de Molen given that we've had a period of time between that bill but the Opposition have not had a chance to debate it at this point in time.Tim van de Molen: But they have had a chance to view the bill.CHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger): Yes they've had a chance to view it but it has not been and it will not be going to a select committee.Tangi Utikere: Speaking to the point of order. Since Mr van de Molen has raised that Speakers ruling 127/1—Tim van de Molen: Well she's already ruled.Tangi Utikere: Well she had already ruled but it didn't stop you from doing anything about it.CHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger): OK. Move on with your point of order Mr Utikere.Tangi Utikere: Yeah so I think what Mr van de Molen has done—CHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger): We'll have points of order in silence please.Tangi Utikere: Thank you Madam Chair. Thank you for the clarity. I didn't get a chance to respond to that. But I think what's important here is that yes the bill has been in the public arena but the other components in that Speaker's ruling are also that there have not been any public submissions. And also this is a very unusual step in which this bill is being considered clause by clause as opposed to part by part—and the House is an urgency. So it's not just the fact that the bill hasn't been able to be viewed I take by your interpretation and confirmation of that ruling that there are many other aspects to that.CHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger): Yep. That's fine. Yep. Hon David Parker.Hon DAVID PARKER: Yes I will just briefly recap my question to the Minister: Could he confirm that the effect of this bill is to allow a change to the Clean Vehicle Standard which could in fact increase carbon dioxide emissions rather than decrease them?Hon SIMEON BROWN (Minister of Transport): What this bill does is it does two simple things. One it enables the standard to be set by regulation and secondly it allows for a cost recovery of the cost of operating the standard. Those are the two simple things. Outside of this debate there's been—I think section 175A requires that the Minister must undertake a review of the targets."