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Business StatementText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeBusiness Statement[Sitting date: 08 August 2013. Volume:692;Page:12515. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Thursday 8 August 2013Mr Speaker took the Chair at 2 p.m.Prayers.Business StatementHon GERRY BROWNLEE (Leader of the House):Next week the House is in a 1-week adjournment. When the House resumes on Tuesday 20 August the Government will look to progress the Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill and should time permit the Resource Management Amendment Bill and the Patents Bill.Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South):I just want to check as to whether the Leader of the House has given any further thought to urgency in the next session.Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (Leader of the House):I have seen a communication today from a well-known blog site contributing the information provided to the Hon Trevor Mallard and congratulating Mr Mallard on the cooperation that has been shown with the Government so far in progressing business through extended hours. The Government will of course take urgency if it is required. I am reminded by my colleague behind me that there is some urgency over the Plumbers Gasfitters and Drainlayers Bill which we will try to move along as quickly as possible as well.Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South):Further I just wanted to check the name of the blog site that is defaming me.Mr SPEAKER: And that is not a point of order.
Vote: Insurance (Prudential Supervision) Amendment Bill — Second ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeVote: Insurance (Prudential Supervision) Amendment Bill — Second Reading[Sitting date: 20 August 2013. Volume:692;Page:12657. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]A party vote was called for on the questionThat the Insurance (Prudential Supervision) Amendment Bill be now read a second time.Ayes105New Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 34; New Zealand First 7; Māori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1.Noes14Green Party 13; Mana 1.Bill read a second time.
Faafoi Kris: Insurance (Prudential Supervision) Amendment Bill — Second ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeFaafoi Kris: Insurance (Prudential Supervision) Amendment Bill — Second Reading[Sitting date: 20 August 2013. Volume:692;Page:12656. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]KRIS FAAFOI (Labour—Mana):I know that it is very close to time to be calling it quits tonight but I intend to take only a very short call on this Insurance (Prudential Supervision) Amendment Bill. As a couple of members on our side of the House have said and I think Maggie Barry also said this was one of those instances where in the Finance and Expenditure Committee there was relative—John Hayes: Which you’re not on.KRIS FAAFOI: No I am not on it. But I am able to comment on it because I have read the bill which obviously you had not Mr Hayes. Can I just say that there was a level of consensus in the Finance and Expenditure Committee.I just want to echo the comments that were made by the previous speaker from New Zealand First Mr Andrew Williams. You only had to be here in Wellington on Friday afternoon and to experience the earthquake—I also sympathise with the people of Seddon who have been through some rough times in the last month or so with earthquakes and also acknowledge people in Christchurch—to realise just how important the insurance industry is. Making sure that we do have a sound insurance sector available for Kiwis to make sure that if God does take its path and there is some kind of disaster there will be some kind of compensation in it. I think that after the Christchurch experience the public certainly want to have confidence in the insurance sector and also that with a greater level of oversight the Reserve Bank may be able to keep watch of all those players in the insurance industry and make sure that they are keeping above board and that their businesses are solid.I guess it has been thrashed here throughout this debate that this is a piece of housekeeping legislation. But although it may be minimal and there may be a consensus across the House I think that most New Zealanders will be very pleased that there is a level of consensus around this piece of legislation because they want to have a certain degree of confidence in our insurance sector. I guess this bill and the amendments made to it at the Finance and Expenditure Committee give that level of confidence to Kiwis out there who are very I guess rightly concerned about the stability of the insurance sector. With that I would like to say that Labour will be supporting this bill to the next stage.
Hayes John: Insurance (Prudential Supervision) Amendment Bill — Second ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeHayes John: Insurance (Prudential Supervision) Amendment Bill — Second Reading[Sitting date: 20 August 2013. Volume:692;Page:12656. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]JOHN HAYES (National—Wairarapa):Call it tidying up call it housekeeping or call it what you like this Insurance (Prudential Supervision) Amendment Bill is in place because the National Government is firmly focused on responsibly managing the Government’s finances and building a more competitive and productive economy. This bill is another significant step towards achieving a clear robust regulatory arrangement across our financial sector. Although the Insurance (Prudential Supervision) Act 2010 has proven to be generally effective and robust it is not unexpected that some provisions have been identified as appropriate for reform. The bill does not involve significant changes to existing policy and it is expected to continue to benefit from industry support. This is a really good bill. I commend it to the House. We will be voting for it.
Barry Maggie: Insurance (Prudential Supervision) Amendment Bill — Second ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeBarry Maggie: Insurance (Prudential Supervision) Amendment Bill — Second Reading[Sitting date: 20 August 2013. Volume:692;Page:12654. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]MAGGIE BARRY (National—North Shore):I rise to speak to the Insurance (Prudential Supervision) Amendment Bill. We are of course talking about the amendments that came back from the Finance and Expenditure Committee. As one of my colleagues across the House said a little earlier it has been a rare outbreak of consensus in the House and certainly it was so in the select committee. As others have tracked through we had four submissions and we heard two of them. The Reserve Bank which is really quite crucially involved with this piece of technical detailed amendment to legislation was very much in favour of the main thrust of it. I think that the majority agreement was not hard to reach. I struggle to find anything in the bill that actually caused much in the way of dissent not that I am looking very hard of course. It is not in my nature to do so. The amendments proposed in this bill are very minor and technical and have done the job very well.I guess from the point of view of the public when you look at insurers needing to be licensed and supervised by the Reserve Bank and then needing to comply with prudential requirements—and taking up the point that Dr Kennedy Graham the speaker who just resumed his seat made there is public disquiet around the regulations and the governing of what people do particularly I guess with the global financial crisis and some of the other challenges that we have withstood as a nation—it is I think a verygood piece of legislation for these times and it does need to be done. So the Reserve Bank’s role will be as both the regulator and the supervisor.Some of the reforms that I think are really too technical and of not much interest in general to the House I will not spend any time on. But when I look at the overall thrust of what this piece of legislation is seeking to do it is entirely consistent with what we seek to do as a Government which is to cut red tape and to reduce unnecessary compliance costs. We try to do that wherever we find it. We hunt it down we seek it out and we deal with it as we can. So I think that with this bill which will allow the Reserve Bank to exempt an insurer that is for example running off its liabilities from the requirement to have a current financial strength rating—all of these sorts of things—the public can rest easy that they are being well looked after their needs are being served the precautions that need to be taken are being taken and we are cutting down the unnecessary red tape. I think really there is not too much more to be said. I commend the Insurance (Prudential Supervision) Amendment Bill to the House.
Collins Judith: Insurance (Prudential Supervision) Amendment Bill — Second ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeCollins Judith: Insurance (Prudential Supervision) Amendment Bill — Second Reading[Sitting date: 20 August 2013. Volume:692;Page:12648. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Hon JUDITH COLLINS (Minister of Justice)on behalf of theMinister of Finance: I moveThat the Insurance (Prudential Supervision) Amendment Bill be now read a second time . I want to begin by thanking the members of the Finance and Expenditure Committee for their prompt handling of this Insurance (Prudential Supervision) Amendment Bill. The committee received four submissions and heard from two submitters.The amendment bill contains a small number of amendments to the Insurance (Prudential Supervision) Act 2010 and one consequential amendment to the Reserve Bank of New Zealand Act 1989. It aims to reduce or eliminate unnecessary compliance costs and address technical issues identified during provisional licensing to ensure a smooth transition to full licensing of insurers. As previously noted the Reserve Bank has reviewed the operation of the Insurance (Prudential Supervision) Act during the transitional period towards full licensing which expires on 7 September 2013. Although the Act has proved to be generally effective and robust it is not unexpected that some provisions were identified as appropriate for reform. In particular two provisions in the Act could expose insurers or the Reserve Bank to operational complications at the end of the transitional period.The amendment bill as introduced proposed to extend the term of the provisional licences of insurers that enter into an insolvency procedure before 7 September 2013. At this date insurers that are subject to an insolvency procedure will not qualify for a full licence. The committee recommends that clause 16 be amended to allow for a provisional licence to remain in force where any of the following circumstances apply to an insurer: it is in an insolvency proceeding its application for a full licence has been refused or it is subject to a direction from the Reserve Bank to cease entering new contracts of insurance. Under these circumstances the provisional licence may remain in force until the Reserve Bank is satisfied that it should be cancelled.The second proposal relates to interim financial reporting requirements. The bill recommends that overseas insurers on application to and approval by the Reserve Bank be permitted to provide half-yearly financial reporting based on the home country regulatory reporting requirements. In addition the committee recommends a change to the provision of interim financial information requirements to extend the period by which interim financial information must be reported to the Reserve Bank from 3 months to 4 months. This will align with the time frame for annual reporting recommended by the Commerce Committee in the Financial Reporting Bill. I commend this bill to the House.
Vote: Inquiries Bill — Second ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeVote: Inquiries Bill — Second Reading[Sitting date: 20 August 2013. Volume:692;Page:12648. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]A party vote was called for on the questionThat the Inquiries Bill be now read a second time.Ayes105New Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 34; New Zealand First 7; Māori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1.Noes1Independent: Horan.Abstentions14Green Party 13; Mana 1.Bill read a second time.
Yang Jian: Inquiries Bill — Second ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeYang Jian: Inquiries Bill — Second Reading[Sitting date: 20 August 2013. Volume:692;Page:12647. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Dr JIAN YANG (National):I rise to take a short call on the second reading of the Inquiries Bill. Previous speakers have elaborated on the purpose of the bill. This bill has become even more important due to the whey protein concentrate or “WPC” contamination incident. The incident risks damaging New Zealand’s reputation as a world leader in food safety. In the past few days a number of infant formula exporters from the Chinese community in New Zealand have come to see me. They all want a speedy inquiry into this incident. Make no mistake we are proud of our safety record and we are confident that we are leading the world in this area. The joint ministerial inquiry into whey protein concentrate contamination which was just announced will strengthen an already strong system. So the Inquiries Bill is an important bill. It will ensure that inquiries investigate mistakes or accidents and ensure they do not happen again. It will bring accountability and transparency to our Government and it will better inform Ministers and the public on important issues that are facing New Zealand. Thank you.
Tisch Lindsay: Inquiries Bill — Second ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeTisch Lindsay: Inquiries Bill — Second Reading[Sitting date: 20 August 2013. Volume:692;Page:12645. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch): I understand that the next call is a split call. The Hon Damien O’Connor.
O'Connor Simon: Inquiries Bill — Second ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeO'Connor Simon: Inquiries Bill — Second Reading[Sitting date: 20 August 2013. Volume:692;Page:12645. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]SIMON O’CONNOR (National—Tāmaki):Thank you for the chance to talk—what will ultimately be—briefly on this Inquiries Bill. In fact the previous speaker the Hon David Parker picked up on some of the themes that I wanted to address which were mainly in response to what I think was actually a really considered thought around what powers an inquiry has. I think for me the key has ultimately been twofold—firstly that the powers given particularly from clause 20 onwards do sit within that wider framework of caveats and secondly particularly within clause 28 that the immunities and privileges afforded in the courts particularly in the civil context will apply to inquiries as well. In other words the Inquiries Bill is not a carte blanche or a blank cheque for an inquiry without limit.I will not go much further than that because I think that actually it was a very considered suggestion from the member from the Green Party Holly Walker and then a considered counter-position if you wish from the Hon David Parker. I am pleased to support this bill. I am pleased to see the general consideration and support across the House as has been noted several times. The Commissions of Inquiry Act was put together in 1908. It is well time we updated it and allowed royal commissions Government inquiries and public inquiries to operate as we see fit. Thank you.
Hayes John: Inquiries Bill — Second ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeHayes John: Inquiries Bill — Second Reading[Sitting date: 20 August 2013. Volume:692;Page:12642. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]JOHN HAYES (National—Wairarapa):It is a pleasure to stand in the House on an occasion like this when Denis O’Rourke our colleague across the Chamber has been speaking and to find myself in a situation where the House and particularly New Zealand First is supportive of this Inquiries Bill. They should be supportive of this legislation because the Act that we are changing has been in place since 1908 and yes it is even older than Chris Auchinvole—at least 100 years. Denis O’Rourke made the comment that the bill was a long time coming to the House but that was because it was put on hold from 2010 to enable a review following the Pike River and the Canterbury earthquake royal commissions. That review has now been completed and a Supplementary Order Paper developed to incorporate lessons learnt from these inquiries.This is a very good bill. Supplementary Order Paper 330 was developed prior to the whey protein concentrate contamination incident and makes a number of sensible changes that will lead to clearer and more workable legislation. The bill as originally drafted would require a notice to be sent to every person whom the inquiry made an adverse finding against and it would need to give each person reasonable time to respond. In the case of the two recent royal commissions this would have imposed a huge burden on the commissions to contact hundreds of people. Most of these people had already been made aware of the findings and had an opportunity to respond but the bill would have required formal notice anyway. So the changes make this process a bit less prescriptive and I think that is very sensible.As I conclude my comments I think it is also important to reflect just on why inquiries are important. They are important to investigate mistakes or accidents and to ensure that they do not happen again they are needed to bring accountability and transparency to Government and they are there to better inform Ministers and the public on important issues. The Inquiries Bill is important to the proposed inquiry into the whey protein contamination which was announced in fact yesterday I think. The Government inquiry is about strengthening an already strong system to ensure that New Zealand’s food products retain their status as amongst the world’s safest and most desired. The details of this ministerial inquiry including the appointment processes are in principle because it is proposed that the inquiry will be carried out using powers in the Inquiries Bill. As such the Minister for Food Safety has written to the chair of the Primary Productions Committee to ask that consideration of the Food Bill be put on hold pending this part of the inquiry into regulatory and best-practice requirements. This is a very good bill and I support it in its present form. Thank you.
Bakshi Kanwaljit Singh: Inquiries Bill — Second ReadingText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeBakshi Kanwaljit Singh: Inquiries Bill — Second Reading[Sitting date: 20 August 2013. Volume:692;Page:12640. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]KANWALJIT SINGH BAKSHI (National):It is my privilege to stand and speak on the second reading of the Inquiries Bill. To start my contribution I would like to acknowledge the then chairperson of the Government Administration Committee the Hon David Parker. I had the privilege of working with him. This legislation is part of a reform process that this National Government has undertaken towards improving law and legislation where necessary. Inquiries are an essential part of our democratic society. New Zealand has a history of public inquiries especially on matters that are of significance. Public inquiries are currently conducted under the 1908 Commissions of Inquiry Act. As you will agree to conduct a public inquiry in 2013 based on legislation of 1908 may not be pragmatic.Towards improving this legislation the Law Commission started a review in 2006 and submitted a report with its recommendations in 2008. The Law Commission review focused on commissions of inquiry as well as royal commissions and non-statutory ministerial inquiries. During the review the commission identified a number of issues with the existing framework. The commission also found that currently the cost and the duration of an inquiry and royal commission are high. There is a considerable amount of delay in completing the inquiries. However for me apart from the cost and the time the other important issue that needed to be addressed in the reform was the lack of flexibility in a statutory inquiry for the Ministers. Inquiries appointed outside the statutory framework lack the power of protection of those appointed within the statutory framework. The amendment legislation will provide for this provision.Furthermore the legislation also provides provision for inquiries to be postponed or suspended when an investigation into a situation is being undertaken. The inquiry may also be suspended or postponed if at any later stage it is discovered that the inquiry may be prejudiced towards an interested party. The improvement made in the legislation will provide improved powers for the commissions towards obtaining evidence and information for the purpose of the inquiry. It will allow a maximum fine of $10000 if a document order or information requested is not provided or provided incorrectly.Furthermore the bill also allows for public and Government inquiries. Government inquiries allow for witnesses to be offered immunity or be compelled into giving the evidence. This bill will provide far greater flexibility in terms of seeking answers to the questions that have been asked domestically or internationally about the incident. Due to all the above reasons I support the Inquiries Bill and commend it to the House.
Vote: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeVote: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2013. Volume:692;Page:12630. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]A party vote was called for on the questionThat the report be adopted.Ayes64New Zealand National 59; Māori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1.Noes56New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Mana 1.Report adopted.
Roy Eric: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeRoy Eric: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2013. Volume:692;Page:12630. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy): I moveThat the report be adopted.
Vote: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeVote: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2013. Volume:692;Page:12630. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]A party vote was called for on the questionThat the Committee divide the bill into the Government Communications Security Bureau Amendment Bill the Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security Amendment Bill and the Intelligence and Security Committee Amendment Bill pursuant to Supplementary Order Paper 307.Ayes61New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1.Noes60New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Māori Party 3; Mana 1; Independent: Horan.Motion agreed to.Bill reported with amendment.
Vote: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeVote: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2013. Volume:692;Page:12630. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]A party vote was called for on the questionThat the question be now put.Ayes64New Zealand National 59; Māori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1.Noes57New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Mana 1; Independent: Horan.Motion agreed to.
Macindoe Tim: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMacindoe Tim: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2013. Volume:692;Page:12630. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]TIM MACINDOE (Junior Whip—National):I moveThat the question be now put .
Roy Eric: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeRoy Eric: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2013. Volume:692;Page:12630. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy): Order! This speech is terminated.
Browning Steffan: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeBrowning Steffan: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2013. Volume:692;Page:12630. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]STEFFAN BROWNING (Green):I rise to speak to the motion to divide the Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill. I would like to acknowledge Bob Leonard of the Anti-Bases Campaign as well when I talk of this division. Bob passed away exactly a week ago. He was a founder of the Anti-Bases Campaign and fought vigorously against the Waihopai spy base—The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy): Order! This has got nothing to do with Supplementary Order Paper 307. The member should be debating whether or not the bill is to be divided.STEFFAN BROWNING: In terms of the division I think that with respect we should be able to talk of someone who has been closely involved with this whole issue of the Government Communications Security Bureau and this division is just another aspect of it. I think it is very disrespectful to someone who passed away just a week ago—
Ngaro Alfred: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeNgaro Alfred: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2013. Volume:692;Page:12629. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]ALFRED NGARO (National):I moveThat the question be now put .
Young Jonathan: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeYoung Jonathan: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2013. Volume:692;Page:12628. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]JONATHAN YOUNG (National—New Plymouth):I moveThat the question be now put .
Barry Maggie: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeBarry Maggie: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2013. Volume:692;Page:12626. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]MAGGIE BARRY (National—North Shore):I moveThat the question be now put .
Finlayson Christopher: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeFinlayson Christopher: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2013. Volume:692;Page:12623. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Hon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON (Attorney-General):I moveThat the Committee divide the bill into the Government Communications Security Bureau Amendment Bill the Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security Amendment Bill and the Intelligence and Security Committee Amendment Billpursuant to Supplementary Order Paper 307.
Vote: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeVote: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2013. Volume:692;Page:12623. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]A party vote was called for on the questionThat clause 2 be agreed to.Ayes61New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1.Noes60New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Māori Party 3; Mana 1; Independent: Horan.Clause 2 agreed to.
Roy Eric: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeRoy Eric: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2013. Volume:692;Page:12623. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy): There is an amendment in the name of Grant Robertson a typescript amendment to clause 2. This is out of order on two conditions. Members might like to have a look at Speaker’s ruling 117(2). I think members might be aware of this Speaker’s ruling which requires that an amendment cannot be determined on an indeterminate event. Secondly it is against the will of the Committee expressed when the Committee voted on clause 25A which required the provision of an inquiry.Grant Robertson: A minor detail.The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy): A minor detail. So we will put the question on clause 2.
Vote: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeVote: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2013. Volume:692;Page:12623. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]A party vote was called for on the questionThat clause 1 be agreed to.Ayes61New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1.Noes60New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Māori Party 3; Mana 1; Independent: Horan.Clause 1 agreed to.
Roy Eric: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeRoy Eric: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2013. Volume:692;Page:12622. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy): The House is in Committee on the Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill. Can I respond to the member who apologised. I did not hear the member. Had I heard him Iwould have required him to apologise. I will just make it clear that there was a bit of noise. I think it probably best that we cast the votes again because I am not sure what stage we were at. So I will ask the—[Interruption ] Oh we have cast them all. They are all here. The Clerk has done a sterling job. In the closure motion the Ayes were 61 and the Noes were 60 so the motion is agreed to. I will now put the questions.
Carter David: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeCarter David: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2013. Volume:692;Page:12622. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Mr SPEAKER: I thank all members for their contributions. I have been watching the debate from my office anyway. I certainly want to acknowledge the apology from Trevor Mallard for the way it was raised. I do appreciate that this has been a lively debate. It is one that people clearly have very deep feelings and beliefs on and that is fully accepted. However I want to refer to two Speakers’ rulings that might assist in making my decision: Speakers’ rulings 64(4) and 64(5). Speakers’ ruling 64(4) which has been reinforced a number of times by different Speakers clearly says that the Chairperson is in the best position to judge. He is the person who has listened to the debate. Speaker’s ruling 64(5) of course says that it is not for the Speaker to second-guess what might happen if the question is put. So I accept and thank members for their contributions. The question has been put. It is now for the Committee to determine whether it is accepted.
Norman Russel: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeNorman Russel: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2013. Volume:692;Page:12622. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Dr RUSSEL NORMAN (Co-Leader—Green):From the Green Party’s point of view this is a very important bill and there has been only one Green speaker on the title clause although I do acknowledge that the Chair gave me two slots and I appreciate that. My colleague Mr Browning has been seeking the call for some time and as the third-largest party in Parliament we would expect to get more than one speaker on the title clause of such an important bill. So we were quite disturbed when the Chair accepted the closure motion.
Finlayson Christopher: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeFinlayson Christopher: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2013. Volume:692;Page:12622. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Hon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON (Attorney-General):We are dealing with clauses 1 and 2. I was sitting in the Minister’s chair throughout. The last contribution from the member for Mana focused mainly on why Government members were not taking a call. It was becoming very repetitious. As the Chair of the Committee said the question that the motion be agreed to had been voted on and just as he was about to begin voting on the substantive motion the point of order was raised but not before the member for Hutt South had screamed out hysterically that the Chair of the Committee was patently biased. That was a comment that at least he has had the decency—well it would be hard to say that he has had the decency because he has none but the semi-decency—to apologise for.Dr Russel Norman: Mr Speaker—[Interruption ]Mr SPEAKER: Order! This is a point of order. Dr Russel Norman.
Mallard Trevor: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMallard Trevor: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2013. Volume:692;Page:12621. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South):I think that a relatively accurate summary of the situation has been given by the Chairman. The debate had been going for about 1 hour rather than 1 hour and 10 minutes according to our record. Six Labour members and one Green member had had the opportunity to speak. There were a number of members who were going for the call. Mr Speaker I have asked for you to be recalled more in hope than expectation because this is a very important bill. It is one for which I think there is no doubt—there is unanimity in the Chamber—that at issue are the liberties of New Zealanders and that is a reason why this bill should be treatedin the Committee generously rather than in the tight manner that it has been. As part of this and probably in the House rather than in the Committee I want to apologise to the Chairman for the rather intemperate comments that I made to him during the party vote because they were not appropriate but they were a result of my surprise at the closure being called so quickly.My expectation for this sort of debate would be that it would go on for at least 50 percent longer and probably twice as long as it has given the importance of the bill. This is not a minor fisheries regulation fixing up - type bill. It is not a Statutes Amendment Bill. It is probably the most important bill affecting the liberties of New Zealanders that we will be dealing with in the term of this Parliament. Therefore to cut out members when I think at least six members were prepared and wanting the call appears to me not to have the fairness that we expect in a Chamber and in a democracy.
Roy Eric: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeRoy Eric: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2013. Volume:692;Page:12621. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy): Mr Speaker you have been recalled to pass judgment. I believe that the motion said it is on whether seven calls were sufficient on the first three clauses of this bill. Let me put that in context. We have been debating this issue for about 1 hour and 10 minutes. It is clauses 1 and 2 of the bill. There have been 15 calls 12 of them from members of the Opposition. Can I also say that from a Chair’s point of view there have been a number of calls before new information was brought in. I determined that it was time for the Committee to decide whether or not it wished to continue the debate so after three closure attempt calls I did accept the closure motion. Furthermore a party vote had been agreed and we were very close to calling the result of the party vote when the point of order was made and a motion was moved to recall you.
Roy Eric: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeRoy Eric: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2013. Volume:692;Page:12621. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy): The question is that the Speaker be recalled. Those of that opinion will say Aye to the contrary No. The Ayes have it. [Interruption ] Is the member seeking a party vote? That is a departure from what normally happens. I have declared—Hon Christopher Finlayson: Before you do I raise a point of order—The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy): No no we are now—Hon Christopher Finlayson: Well that creature should apologise for what he said.The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy): Order! The Speaker shall be recalled.Motion agreed to.House resumed.
Mallard Trevor: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeMallard Trevor: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2013. Volume:692;Page:12621. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South):I moveThat progress be reported in order to request from the Speaker a ruling as to whether seven calls on the first three clauses of this bill are sufficient for democracy in New Zealand.The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy): You are moving that the Speaker be recalled?Hon TREVOR MALLARD: I am.
Vote: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeVote: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2013. Volume:692;Page:12621. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]A party vote was called for on the questionThat the question be now put.Ayes61New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1.Noes60New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Māori Party 3; Mana 1; Independent: Horan.Motion agreed to.
Roy Eric: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeRoy Eric: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2013. Volume:692;Page:12620. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy): The question is that the question be now put. Those of that opinion will say Aye—Hon Trevor Mallard: That’s ridiculous—a total lack of democracy in Parliament. This is just outrageous. This is outrageous.The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy): Order! The Clerk will conduct a party vote.Hon Trevor Mallard: That is outrageous.The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy): Does the member not want a party vote?Hon Trevor Mallard: Yes of course we want a party vote—The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy): We will now have a party vote.
Ross Jami-Lee: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeRoss Jami-Lee: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2013. Volume:692;Page:12620. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]JAMI-LEE ROSS (Junior Whip—National):I moveThat the question be now put .
Wagner Nicky: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeWagner Nicky: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2013. Volume:692;Page:12619. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]NICKY WAGNER (National—Christchurch Central):I moveThat the question be now put .
Dean Jacqui: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeDean Jacqui: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2013. Volume:692;Page:12617. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]JACQUI DEAN (National—Waitaki):I moveThat the question be now put .
Vote: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeVote: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2013. Volume:692;Page:12607. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]A party vote was called for on the questionThat the schedule as amended be agreed to.Ayes61New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1.Noes60New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Māori Party 3; Mana 1; Independent: Horan.Schedule as amended agreed to.
Vote: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeVote: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2013. Volume:692;Page:12607. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]A party vote was called for on the questionThat the amendment be agreed to.Ayes50New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; Mana 1; Independent: Horan.Noes71New Zealand National 59; New Zealand First 7; Māori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1.Amendment not agreed to.
Vote: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeVote: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2013. Volume:692;Page:12607. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]A party vote was called for on the questionThat the amendments be agreed to.Ayes61New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1.Noes60New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Māori Party 3; Mana 1; Independent: Horan.Amendments agreed to.The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 310 in the name of Dr Russel Norman to the schedule be agreed to.
Vote: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In CommitteeText is incorporated into the Bound VolumeVote: Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee[Sitting date: 20 August 2013. Volume:692;Page:12606. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]A party vote was called for on the questionThat Part 3 as amended be agreed to.Ayes61New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1.Noes60New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Māori Party 3; Mana 1; Independent: Horan.Part 3 as amended agreed to.