Martin TraceyTRACEY MARTIN (NZ First): Kia ora and on that wonderful note—Tim Macindoe: Why so close?TRACEY MARTIN: Ha ha! Just back to the bill I want to thank the Minister of Education for standing and somewhat clarifying it. Both the single member of the Government who has stood to take a call on this bill and the Minister have mentioned trusting parents and parental choice. They used those words a lot: to trust parents" and have "choice". I hope that in the decision around Salisbury School the Minister will apply that parental choice and trust that parents know what is best for their girls and that she will adopt the Salisbury solution so that those parents continue to have choice and can be trusted in that choice for their girls.First of all I will make sure that I put it on the record that New Zealand First will not be supporting Mr Seymour's Supplementary Order Paper 220. We have no doubt that Mr Seymour's Supplementary Order Paper with the benefit of the Government's support will go through into law and I want to just put on record that when New Zealand First is in a place of influence we will repeal it and we will repeal all legislation to do with charter schools.I want to speak to my Supplementary Order Paper 214 which amends new section 91O inserted by clause 13E. The new section is around as they are called employment-based trainee teachers. I want to be 100 percent clear that there already are trainee teachers who as part of their 4-year teacher training do what they call "section" inside our schools—inside our primary schools and inside our secondary schools. This is an amendment made by the Education and Science Committee—the new section allows for a completely new category of apprentice in a way and they are called "employment-based trainee teachers".It was interesting talking to the gentleman from Teach First NZ who came to discuss this move by the Government. He said that it was news to him 4 days before the Supplementary Order Paper was placed on the table of the select committee. It was news to him because the Post Primary Teachers Association Teach First NZ and the Ministry of Education had reached an agreement that the Teach First NZ graduates would be able to apply like any other qualified teacher for a teaching position as it was publicly advertised in the Gazette. This piece of legislation removes that requirement. This piece of legislation protects and provides a monopoly currently for Teach First NZ graduates by the Secretary for Education so that they have a protected position at the same rate as a trainee teacher who is getting a student loan and is going through the 4-year degree. They will be paid at the same rate as that person after they have come out of their qualification because the Government is going to protect it for them.My Supplementary Order Paper however recognises that because we currently have a skill shortage in science maths and English inside the secondary system Teach First NZ with the very strong support of Auckland University has provided graduates who have been successful inside that secondary level. However there is no New Zealand data at all on graduates so they might be a biology graduate or an engineering graduate or an arts graduate who has done an 8-week course over the Christmas break period and then is in front of a classroom. They are in front of the classroom and unlike a current trainee teacher they are in sole charge of a classroom. The best way to describe it for parents is that these are apprentices. What we have usually done with apprentices is married them with teaching experts and we have made sure that they learn from that experience at the same time as they interact with our young people.My Supplementary Order Paper is seeking to recognise that there has been some successful practice of Teach First NZ in secondary schools—that those students pedagogically should have the standards should have the basics and should have a strength of knowledge and that when they get a graduate with a degree in say biology to go on an 8-week course over a Christmas period and then get support from Auckland University it is likely that that will go well. It has been shown that this has gone well but we cannot be confident that it will translate to a 5-year-old a 6-year-old or a 7-year-old. I challenge the members of the Government to stand and say that they are prepared to take the risk and I challenge the Minister to answer upon what research this has been based. On what research are we going to place our primary school children under this apprenticeship scheme? So I ask for the support of all those members who actually care about education and care about whether our primary school children have the best people in front of them—not people training on the job—to support this Supplementary Order Paper."