Watts SimonSIMON WATTS (National—North Shore): Thank you very much Madam Chair. As we work our way through this bill I want to move—and it's actually related to a question that I asked earlier in regards to penalties and the Minister acknowledged that section 4 would be the point in which the bill would cover this detail. So I've been waiting here in anticipation for the moment to be able to get into the questions around penalties and get a little bit of clarity on that.So specifically what we we're looking at is under Part 4 clause 63(3)(a) and (b). We've got two penalties there: one in regards to the individual and the other in regards to a body corporate.One looking for a little bit of guidance from the Minister in terms of the setting of those penalties what was the consideration and practice around how he came up with the $10000 and subsequently $20000? Is that deemed reasonable in the context of what's going on here? Is there precedent in terms of where that has been baselined?In regards to 63(3)(b) just clarifying there in terms of the use of body corporate"—just making sure seeking clarification that that is the right legal construct that we want to be referring to in regards to that? Because it's reasonably specific and I'm just wanting to get some clarity around why we've specifically referred to "body corporate" there versus other legal structures that may be deemed more appropriate or broader than that term. So 63(3)(a) and (b).Hon MICHAEL WOODHOUSE (National): Thank you Madam Chair. I just—on Simon O'Connor's behalf actually—want to thank the Minister for his answer that the chief executive of the department is the chief executive of the Ministry of Business Innovation and Employment (MBIE). That's great; we get that—that's certainly the Minister's intent. The question is where that is in the bill.The reason Mr O'Connor asked that is because in Government Supplementary Order Paper 234 on page 11 the definition of "department" has been removed. So if you go to the original bill as brought back by the committee it says the chief executive is "the chief executive of the department." And in the definition of "department" it means "the department of State that with the authority of the Prime Minister is responsible for the administration of this Act." That's great but that definition got taken out.So where in the bill do the breadcrumbs lead back to MBIE? That's all we need to work on.Hon MICHAEL WOOD (Minister for Workplace Relations and Safety): Thank you. Happy to answer a couple of those remaining questions that are there.In respect to the question asked by Mr O'Connor and then followed up on by Mr Woodhouse what's happened here is that the Legislation Act now ensures that when we refer to a "department" within a piece of legislation that automatically means the department who is responsible for the administration of the bill. So the department responsible of the administration of this bill is the Ministry of Business Innovation and Employment (MBIE). So whenever "department" is referred to within this piece of legislation it refers to MBIE on those grounds.In respect of Mr Watts' questions about the level of the penalties in 63(3) they pretty much come across from the Employment Relations Authority penalty regimes for similar breaches. So we've tried to keep a level of consistency across the employment relations framework there and the use of the word "body corporate" is just to ensure that we are capturing organisations—that the $10000 and $20000 split is effectively a split between individuals and organisations."