O'Connor SimonSIMON O'CONNOR (National—Tāmaki): Thank you Mr Chair. I'm going to have to take umbrage with a couple of things. Bodily autonomy applies to the child; what's being aborted is a human child. I'd also want to point out because it's the language of progressives something called unconscious bias". The speaker who I respect personally who just took her seat said that there's something wrong with the child referring to Down syndrome—that there's something wrong. I want to say to all those Down syndrome children that I know—I'm thinking of Oscar and hello to Pip and Dean his parents who were on The Project last week—there's nothing wrong with that child; he is an absolutely celebrated gift. I'm not going to stand in this Chamber and continue to have people—and it's more than just the last speaker—continue to dehumanise the human child. I have said it before: we have done this so many times in our history of humanity—the first step is to dehumanise and then the terrible actions follow.I also think that we need to point out—and why we're dealing in Part 2 of how we deal with discrimination—is a story that was sent to me by a guy called Jeremy. His daughter who they managed to hold alive for seven days had chromosomal problems. His key point was that all the way up to 20 weeks in particular there was pressure from the doctors to abort. They had done the tests—and yes you know those of us who I suppose want to practise between naivety and ignorance will say "Oh well we'll just make our choices." but here are the doctors putting pressure on Jeremy and his wife to abort the baby. His fundamental argument is that actually they decided—they made the choice—to allow that child to be born. It was only for seven days—only for seven days. They say they were absolutely wonderful days and I can appreciate that. But their fundamental point is that if we don't pass the likes of Melissa Lee's Supplementary Order Paper (SOP) that pressure will continue. So putting it really simply to the Chamber that post - 20 weeks the doctors who do the testing will continue—and it could be the nurses and other health practitioners—to put pressure down on those parents. It's that naivety again of this choice argument—this ethical argument in a cuckoo nest which pushes out every other ethical considerations—that human beings always act calmly and rationally with full information. We don't OK? We're terribly flawed individuals who make very very stupid decisions all the time.So that's a real story from Jeremy and his family. The pressure will continue. The discrimination will continue. It will continue for the simple reason as we've already heard in the discussion today there is something wrong with these people—there is nothing wrong with them. If we listen to disability advocates they have to suffer every day in a community that I would argue fears them and fears their disability. I for one want that community to know that I don't fear them; I celebrate them and I see them as just as human as I am.I also want to note the importance of a number of these Supplementary Order Papers to Part 2 because they're putting some restrictions around what's happening. Why we need to put these restrictions in is that we get laws wrong. I would just point out that we've had yet another attempt today and it's been cocked up to bring safe zones back into this bill. Yet another botched attempt to bring safe zones back in—stuffed up as it was last week; stuffed up again today. These things happen because of bad law and bad processes.Jan Logie: You're making things up mate.SIMON O'CONNOR: So really—and once again I think it must be Jan Logie who's making things up; no it's quite real—we've had another stuff-up today. Well a stuff-up from those who want to put in safe zones who want to attack freedom of speech freedom of conscience. But why I'm illustrating this is that that is the reason we need to have the likes of Alfred Ngaro's amendment and why we need the likes of Simeon Brown's amendment: MPs make mistakes—they continually make mistakes.Looking through the bill—particularly in Part 2—I think we just need to draw attention and Chris Penk articulated this far far better around sort of one of the false premises of this bill in replacement section 183(2) inserted by clause 12 which says "The woman is not guilty of an offence under this section." Well that's good to know but why it needs to be highlighted is that the current law in New Zealand has not never has never could and never would criminalise women. It's one of the great falsities. I need to point it out again that our media has been absolutely complicit in pushing these falsities.I want to draw particular attention if I might to Supplementary Order Paper 463 in the name of Joanne Hayes. Hers is referring to an amendment to insert a new Subpart 3A which is around the amendment to the Care of Children Act 2004. In support of this SOP I want to note that it's particularly for children—[Bell rung] Mr Chair?CHAIRPERSON (Adrian Rurawhe): Simon O'Connor.SIMON O'CONNOR: Thank you very much. What Joanne Hayes is trying to do is give a little bit of surety to those who are minors that their parents need to be informed about an abortion. Now for pro-death and pro-abortion advocates this is verboten we can't go there which is remarkable because as a stepparent myself basically nobody can give even a Panadol or a piece of advice or even a hug to any of my stepkids but they—well not all of them; some of them are boys just for Jan Logie's sake there—the girls would be whipped out to an abortion clinic just like that under this current legislation; no reference to the parents caregivers; nobody. But as I say if the school that my—well no she's left now—stepdaughter attended wanted to give her a Panadol there would be phone calls there would be lines of communication; it wouldn't end. Now look that's fundamentally—fundamentally—flawed and absolutely ridiculous.I've said recently around anything like this it's all about consistency. One of the ways that you can always find out if a bill is flawed—and I would suggest this one is legally but also morally and ethically—is there is no consistency. So again I just find it absurd. I mean again a teacher can't even give a child a hug but they can take them by the hand and lead them to an abortion clinic. One only needs to think of the story of Hillary Kieft—I know the Abortion Legislation Committee dealt with that last year—a woman who had wondered why her daughter was so incredibly depressed and suicidal; in fact there may have been suicide attempts. The only way she found out was after imploring her daughter and finding out that her daughter had been taken for an abortion. No one knew. The daughter was struggling with it. The mum had no idea none of the wider whānau support crew knew until that ultimate cry for help which is suicide. I do wonder—and it's a pure speculation—how many of our young people end their lives and we never know the cause and the decisions that they've made where actually we as a community and certainly as family would have thrown love and support around that person.I want to turn my attention now to SOP 479. I'm not going to say too much on it because she herself is awesome: Melissa Lee she'll talk to it. But of course there should be grounds to stop discrimination. Good God I almost get bored out of my brain at the amount of times particularly from the progressive side of the Parliament but sadly it includes some in the National Party who wax lyrical about discrimination and tolerance and diversity—all good notions—and yet aren't actually prepared to stop discrimination here. There are wet bus ticket words—"Oh we really shouldn't do sex selection."—well put it in firmly in the bill: this country this Parliament does not stand for it.We should also add that in terms of disability. Some people have you know again talked about "Well we still might have some Down syndrome people killed."; again I just ask the Minister in the chair Andrew Little if he's prepared to address the question that I put out last week that in the likes of Iceland for those people who take testing how many of those Down syndrome kids live? The answer is really really low. [Phone vibrates] Oh hold on! This might be Iceland calling now—I doubt it because they know the answer's pretty shocking as well. So it's really really shocking.I do like Chris Penk want to do an absolute shout-out to the likes of Downright Discrimination. You guys are awesome continuing to voice for your community; it's an absolute shocker and a shame how you are derided by bigoted people in this House. You have the right to put forward your information you have the right to stand by your information and you should not—and will never be from people like myself and others who are pro-life—be derided for having a view which is inconvenient because at the end of the day we celebrate your children.So then let's turn our attention to Alfred Ngaro's SOP to finish it—another awesome guy. I think it's really great that he brought the 20-week-old image out. That's what we're dealing with. I understand actually that some in the media so scared of this topic have actually banned—would you believe it?—images of children at different stages of development. What is so scary to this House and the media particularly those I believe in The Dominion Post—let's put that on the record again for people who subscribe: The Dominion Post—about a child? Unbelievable. It's an absolute disgrace and borders on corruption. Anyway Alfred Ngaro who's definitely not corrupt—a good man—he just wants that the commissioner may have the power to investigate the breaches. If you're going to have a piece of legislation that things shouldn't happen in a certain way well you need the power to follow them up; it's nonsensical I would suggest to not have this power.So look I'm going to end it there. I'm grateful for two calls. I think the Chamber might just get the sense that I'm a little passionate about this. But as I say in a video that I released a littler earlier today—here's a bit of self-glorification; doesn't do one great for their humility—actually if we're about human rights it applies to all including the unborn child."