Utikere Tangi; Brown SimeonTANGI UTIKERE (Labour—Palmerston North): Thank you Madam Chair. Still interested in a response from the Minister of Transport to the issues that have been raised by my colleague the Hon Dr Megan Woods particularly just some clarification around whether he would or wouldn't make regulations that would basically be more to the detriment in relation to what emissions reduction plan (ERP) 2 and 3 looks like. So that's still on the radar for the Minister's consideration.I've got three Amendment Papers in my name—42 43 and 44—and given the Minister has not shut them down as of yet they might be up for consideration. Well they're up for consideration; whether they are up for him to take them on board or not we'll wait with bated breath as we progress through this. But the one that I do want to speak to specifically is 43 because clause 7 basically strikes through all of those listed specified targets in section 175(1)(c) (d) and (e) and they relate to the various targets post the end of this calendar year—so (c) relates to 25 January (d) 26 and (e) 27 and then from that point after is when the regulations kick in.What my Amendment Paper seeks to do is still allow for the Minister to make regulations post the end of this calendar year but what it does is it seeks to ensure that any of those regulations that are made under the regulation-making provision would be such that those targets that are made by the Minister would not be set at a higher level than in any previous calendar year. Effectively I guess you'd call it a sinking lid" so that we have a baseline where the targets for the current calendar year for a Type A vehicle is 133.9 grams and for a Type B vehicle is 201.9 grams. Then what we see if you look at those over corresponding years the targets in the primary legislation are naturally going to decrease every year until the regulation-making power kicks in. Now what Amendment Paper 43 provides for is an ability for the Minister to still make the regulations but a guarantee that the regulations that he would make would effectively never be an increase on any previous calendar year. So I invite the Minister to share his thoughts on that. If he is serious about meeting our targets in relation to the various agreements that we have signed up to as a country I think that would actually mitigate a lot of the concern that has been raised by some who haven't been consulted. So I ask the Minister what his perspective or view is on that particular amendment to ensure that he still retains the power to make or set these targets by regulation.The only point of difference of course is that the sinking lid for the targets would continue to be on the incline. It would mean potentially that he could set those targets or the Minister could set those targets at the current rate and that that wouldn't change but what it would guarantee is that there wouldn't be an increase in that. So I'm interested in the Minister's response.Hon SIMEON BROWN (Minister of Transport): Oh thank you Madam Chair. I think the questions from the member Tangi Utikere and the Hon Dr Megan Woods in relation to the ERP and ERP 2 and 3 are good questions but ultimately those are questions that will be dealt with as part of the review. This clause is quite simple. It makes two changes. One is to remove the targets and then allow for them to be set by regulation. There is already empowering provision and considerations that have to be taken into account when setting targets and what the Minister has to take into account as part of that process."