van de Molen Tim; Williams PotoTIM VAN DE MOLEN (National—Waikato): Thank you Madam Chair. Look I'd just like to follow on from what my colleague the Hon David Bennett was saying. The risk that we're facing here by not going through the proper process with select committees is that we are going to implement some rules that provide much further-ranging powers than are actually anticipated. There's a whole range of reasons. We've heard a bit about that and I'll go into that in more detail but one of the aspects I would encourage the Minister in the chair Damien O'Connor to consider in this instance is the Rt Hon David Carter's amendment proposing a sunset clause which will then allow for this to be in place only up until such time as the additional proposed piece of legislation for changes to National Animal Identification and Tracing (NAIT) is brought before this House.The National Animal Identification and Tracing Act was implemented in 2012 and started getting rolled out 2013. It started with cattle initially and deer were subsequently brought into it. A three-year phased trial initially through to 2016 was conducted and then a review of that process was initiated. So this is all normal practice that has been carried out. There's an element of luck with timing with the incursion of Mycoplasma bovis and this review of NAIT having already been under way for some 12 or so months prior to that incursion occurring. We saw the results of the NAIT review early this year. There was a whole raft of recommendations—38 of those coming out of that report—and the Minister has already told us that he will be bringing another suite of amendments to the NAIT legislation before this House. So I would encourage him to seriously consider and to adopt the Rt Hon David Carter's amendment providing a sunset clause to this particular set of amendments we're proposing today to enable—clearly on this side of the House we disagree with what's being proposed at this point—a compromise; to say Well look let's get this in place but actually let's put an end date on it subsequent to seeing the new proposed legislation."In terms of that new proposed legislation the expectation from this side of the House would be that it does indeed go through the full normal democratic process as in a thorough select committee process at that point which will help a review of any relevancy for the continuation of what's proposed under today's discussion as to whether or not that would indeed be incorporated into the more fulsome review of the NAIT legislation that will at some point come before the House. So I would really encourage that amendment to be adopted by the Minister.Now there is no dispute from this side of the Chamber that we do need to tighten up some of the rules around NAIT. There have been instances where it has not been adhered to as strongly as it should have been in the rural community and farmers accept that but to hear that we need to be providing this far-ranging power—I believe it is an unintended consequence of this legislation. I don't believe the intent was necessarily there at drafting stage to provide such wide-ranging powers. But the reality is that under this proposal it does give those powers of warrantless searches—the power to enter to search and to seize property for any purpose for any reason. Actually there does not need to be any reasonable cause and the Hon Nathan Guy has an amendment on the Table—again a relevant worthwhile amendment to be considered—around the requirement for these NAIT officers to have reasonable cause before they can actually enter the property under a warrantless search.One of the points I really want to capture is that farming is a little unique in that often—and generally 95 percent of the time; 100 percent of the time just about—home offices are where the details the records of a farming business are kept. So that's a room within the dwelling of the farmer. That entitles these people to enter to search and to obtain information from those offices if they're invited into the house. Look anyone in this House who's from a rural background will appreciate that farmers are friendly open people. Someone turns up at the door; they'll invite them in. I spent many years in the rural banking sector and was always welcomed into people's houses. You'd sit down for a cup of tea you'd discuss business—Hon David Bennett: Maybe not always.TIM VAN DE MOLEN: Perhaps not always as Mr Bennett points out and I accept that may be the case. But you know farmers always welcome people on to their property which gives them access—[Time expired]CHAIRPERSON (Poto Williams): I call Stuart Smith. I just encourage the member to have some other arguments."