Jackson WillieHon WILLIE JACKSON (Labour): Kia ora. Thank you Madam Chair and thank you Minister. I'm glad you're enjoying our questions. We've got quite a few more so thank you for your response.I wanted to come to Schedule 2 again. Last night I spoke about transfer of undertakings which is an incredibly important area particularly for those of us who've been involved in the union. This has been a huge kaupapa for many of our workers. But I just wanted to elaborate on what our tuahine Willow-Jean Prime talked about in Schedule 2 in terms of the consultation particularly with the PSA. In a former role I was the Minister of Employment and that work was embellished by the Hon Carmel Sepuloni. In that role myself and Minister Sepuloni we rolled out employment strategies that were incredibly important. Now that hasn't been touched on in the debate so far but they were incredibly important and I'm proud of the work I did and proud of the work that Minister Sepuloni did in terms of our workers. They tapped into every area of the workforce. And in this PSA area—and I felt the Minister has only lightly traversed that. My chair at the time was a woman by the name of Janice Panoho and Jan was a tremendous chair—Sam Uffindell: Oh come on Willie—just the question.Hon WILLIE JACKSON: I know that member over there is not interested because we know they're not interested in workers. But Janice Panoho who was a long—Hon Members: Ha ha!Hon WILLIE JACKSON: They can laugh at it but we treat this very seriously. Jan's a longtime chair of the PSA. She was in touch with me. She's been in touch with me over the bill and she has made it very clear that there are real concerns for kaimahi for workers. As I said Jan's been with the PSA close to 40 years. She wants to know how some of those cultural obligations are going to be traversed; what type of respect given the rhetoric from particularly the coalition partners in terms of the disrespect to the reo—you know they're not interested in the Māori language being at the front of anything. How are those workers' cultural backgrounds going to be respected in terms of the transfer? Is the reo going to be respected? Is the way that they work which is a unique way a different type of way a different type of style going to be embraced in the new entity?On top of that I need to draw the Minister's attention in terms of new Part 2 inserted into Schedule 1 to clause 43 Employment Policies" on page 13 subclause (1)(b) where it is very clear that an employee—and it says very clearly—and I don't think this question has been asked. It says very clearly that an employee "may be replaced by Health New Zealand by written notice to that employee." That goes against everything we know that is right in industrial relations. There cannot be some unilateral declaration no unilateral declaration from anyone with regard to workers. You cannot say "Well there you go. See you later. The job's over." We work in a world in terms of our fair bargaining where there has to be some consultation there has to be a reciprocal relationship and a worker has to have some rights. Particularly in this area where there are cultural obligations reo obligations community obligations hapū obligations iwi obligations surely an employer doesn't have that unilateral right just to send a letter to say "There you go. No more job. See you later; you're on your bike."?I need some clarity from the Minister over this so that we can give some guidance to workers out there so that Janice Panoho who today is still soldiering on despite what's happened—she'll work with what's in front of her; that's the reality. Whoever's the Government our people will have to work with them. But she needs some security and some support with regard to how the workers will be treated. What is the security over this? Are we going to just have this type of clause or will that clause be reviewed? Will there be some meaningful—as my tuahine Willow-Jean Prime has said—meaningful consultation with our Māori entities Māori workers and the union movement?This is a huge kaupapa Madam Chair so I urge the Minister to meet with our people. But I ask that question again: clause 43(1)(b) in terms of Health New Zealand do they have their unilateral right? Yes or no?"