Penk ChrisCHRIS PENK (National—Kaipara ki Mahurangi): Thank you Madam Chair and thanks to the Minister of Police and other colleagues who've been engaging in the debate—I think it's been a helpful one. Important as this area is I'm sure we would all agree.In terms of the urgency that's going to be needed for these changes—and I do acknowledge the response that the Minister has given regarding the number of potential new Family Court Associates by which I mean people who would be available for that role and the initial roll-out of some six initially I think she said and more thereafter. That's helpful information and I'm grateful for it.But a related question would be in terms of the bill being able to be implemented as quickly as possible. I note that the commencement date has a number of provisions coming in more or less immediately—which is I think really positive—but the remainder of the Family Court (Family Court Associates) Legislation Bill other than those that are specified to come into effect immediately would be four months after the date of the Royal assent. It just seems to me given the severe difficulties in the current Family Court system and the delays that are being experienced that's the problem. The solution we understand is at least partly in this bill. Why would it be that we would wait for such a long time before it is given full effect? I can't think of a reason that we shouldn't have much more immediate effect given to the bill albeit that it will then take some time to on board the new Family Court Associates and so on.One related point if I may is just in terms of that review that we hear will commence within five years. The Minister said that the reason it wouldn't commence sooner than probably towards the end of the five years is for changes to be bedded in and for a proper assessment to be made of the difference that it's making. But I just can't help but feel as though five years in the context of enormous delays that are currently being suffered within the system is far too long to start learning the lesson.So can the Minister give us some assurance that while the formal review—with a capital R"—as required by the legislation may not be in place and reported back for at least five years that nevertheless some feedback will be taken into account as soon as available in terms of the system getting under way and even the performance of those first six Family Court Associates will be monitored in a way that will suggest how they could operate in the most efficient manner possible. Of course not so much from an evaluation of their effectiveness point of view—I'm sure that the first half-dozen will be probably excellent candidates for the role. No doubt they will be wanting to make a contribution that's very positive in this groundbreaking way to use the Minister's phrase. But nevertheless we do need to understand the value that they're adding. It might be that they're adding huge value and we can double down so to speak and have many more such positions filled as quickly as possible. But it might also be that the benefits are marginal for the reasons that I've highlighted before at least as possibilities—the courtroom resources and so forth.So if the Minister can give assurance to the committee that the Government will carefully monitor—in a way that's appropriate acknowledging separation of power between branches of Government—the effectiveness of the scheme so that that can be used for the benefit of those in the system that would be very helpful indeed."