Robertson GrantHon GRANT ROBERTSON (Minister of Finance): So the factual questions that the previous member Louise Upston asked are around 600 full-time equivalent (FTE) staff that were employed by Treasury. Of those who are specifically dedicated to working on wellbeing and the Living Standards Framework there are three full-time equivalents in the Living Standards Framework implementation team and four to five FTEs in the office of the chief economic adviser working on these matters. Three work on the technical side of the development and maintenance of the Living Standards Framework and the Living Standards Framework dashboard and around about 1.5 FTEs are currently dedicated to the broader legislative work around the Public Finance Act. That includes the work on wellbeing. So it's a small but perfectly formed team within Treasury who are working on this. I would note that—and I did say this I believe in my first reading speech on this bill—of course the Living Standards Framework which sits at the core of how Treasury is working on wellbeing was of course actually worked on under the previous National Government. The big difference between what happened then and what's happened now is that this Government has decided that this piece of work is genuinely world leading and provides us with a much richer picture of our overall success as a country in the more narrow fiscal measures that are of course still very much a part of the Budget. So we took on that work that Bill English began and carried it on and extended it into the work that you see in the bill that we see in front of us today with regard to the Public Finance Act.On the member's wider set of questions I do think she is at risk of contradicting her earlier contributions on Part 1 about what really matters to New Zealanders. It is absolutely clear that New Zealanders have an inbuilt sense of understanding of the fact that yes it's important that we manage our finances carefully that we save for the rainy day as we've experienced in terms of COVID-19 but the very thing the member asked for—the impact of our spending—has to be seen in the context of those four capitals on how we're improving the experience of people's individual lives how we're improving the strength and connection of our communities and how we're improving and supporting our environmental outcomes. All of those things matter and now we have a framework that is world leading—regarded well all over the planet and being picked up by countries all over the world because it's capturing a much wider sense of our success as a country. So actually by giving under Part 2 Treasury the responsibility of producing that report it means that there is an independent source from the Government of the day of measuring that success against that set of objectives. So I understand that the member feels a need in this particular environment we're in now to raise questions that you know I think have already been answered but I just reinforce the point that this is developing work that had already started. I think New Zealanders should be extremely proud of the fact that we are leading the world in genuinely measuring the value of our spending. We don't just value our people as numbers on a spreadsheet; we value our people in terms of the outcomes as a Government that we are helping those people in their communities to achieve. Every four years Treasury is going to now have the responsibility under Part 2 of this bill to report back to New Zealanders on that and I think it's a good thing.