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Woolerton R Doug: New Zealand Horticulture Export Authority Amendment Bill (No 2) — Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
Woolerton R Doug: New Zealand Horticulture Export Authority Amendment Bill (No 2) — Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:612;Page:9618] 
R DOUG WOOLERTON (NZ First) 
: 
 I nearly fell over a wee while ago—not as a result of the gin—when I heard my colleague Gerrard Eckhoff speak about the tyranny of the majority. That was a bit unusual coming from him. 
Every producer every business person and every marketer has the right the opportunity the privilege and I believe the obligation to maximise the returns of its products to the benefit of its growers. If that industry market group of farmers or horticulturalists can do that then I say: “All strength to their elbow.” They are marketing in niche markets for the benefit of New Zealand and conducting market development which is very costly. I believe that this bill will reward them for that and help them to get the better returns they seek. 
We cannot let this bill pass without mentioning the competition. I read in trade magazines just the other day that the Chinese—from whence kiwifruit came; it was originally the Chinese gooseberry—are getting into the market in a big way themselves. They are formidable opponents in this area. They have thousands of years of culture behind them. They have been involved in agriculture for thousands of years and they are not to be taken lightly. 
This industry of ours which is still a very very small industry by world standards needs all the help it can get. It needs the reputation that has been built up it needs all the authority the Government can give it to make sure that its markets are not invaded by inferior quality fruit and at the same time it needs to be very quick on its feet to move and develop new products—and it can still do that. In other words the industry needs to keep on its mettle and I am sure it will. I am sure this bill will help it. 
If we were to go out in a naive fashion we would have individual farmers—or individual traders even—in the most ridiculous scenario trying to sell their produce to huge supermarket conglomerates which is where the buying power is held nowadays. It is not just a matter of going and selling on a fair market. We are selling on markets where every objection will be put up. They will put up every tariff. 
 They will put up any blockage possible in other countries to either stop or make it harder for our exports to enter their market and chief among them are the huge supermarket conglomerates. They will use their power to lower the price to our exporters and therefore lower the prices received in New Zealand. We rely on those prices for our standard of living. This bill will do what it can to stop that practice from happening and New Zealand First is all for it.
Hughes Darren: Injury Prevention Rehabilitation and Compensation Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume 
Hughes Darren: Injury Prevention Rehabilitation and Compensation Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
[Sitting date: 19 June 2003. Volume:609;Page:6437. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
DARREN HUGHES (NZ Labour—Otaki) 
: 
 I rise to support the second reading of this bill and I say it is a privilege to follow the member for Ilam Gerry Brownlee. This is an interesting time in the National Party which has had two bad poll results in a week and so has decided on a strategy of wheeling Mr Brownlee down to the House to speak in mock outrage. But the problem is that Mr Brownlee is very happy with the poor poll results and it does not matter how much he tries to criticise the Labour Party on its result. For the member’s benefit I have here— 
Gerry Brownlee 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I am not ageist by any means—and I never have been—but when we have a silly speech that starts like that then I think that perhaps 21-year-olds should not be allowed to take seats in this House. Furthermore this is a second reading debate. It is certainly somewhat broad but there is a need to relate one’s comments directly to the bill. Commenting on the polls is not within the orbit of this bill. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Points of order should be terse and to the point. Under Speaker’s ruling 38/1 leeway is given for replying to a speech. 
DARREN HUGHES 
: I thank the member for not being ageist. It is true that I have a soft spot for large people as well and I will never support a flatulence tax on front-benchers. Mention was made about the Labour Party’s commitment at the last general election and I happen to have the “Next steps” commitment card which states “No rise in rates of income tax GST or company tax.” There is no way at all that any of those things will happen under this Government because we are serious about keeping our word. 
I would just like to say that Mr Brownlee did make a contribution to the debate because as members know he was National’s accident compensation spokesperson until he was sacked from that role and replaced by the rising star Dr Paul Hutchison. I understand the bitterness in the speech in that regard. I was very interested to see in TV3’s preferred Prime Minister poll that Mr Brownlee the former shadow Minister for ACC was a very consistent rater. He started out at zero in August 2000 and ended at zero in June 2003. Those rates are very important in terms of credibility in the second reading debate on this bill which I firmly support.
Vote: Fisheries Amendment Bill (No 4) — In Committee 
Vote: Fisheries Amendment Bill (No 4) — In Committee 
[Volume:619;Page:14570] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That clause 67 be agreed to. 
Ayes 105 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 4; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 9 
Green Party 9. 
Clause 67 agreed to.
Goff Phil: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Goff Phil: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
[Volume:606;Page:3646] 
Hon PHIL GOFF (Minister of Justice) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. With regard to the question asked by Mr Jones and others the reference is to the report of the United Nations Committee on the Elimination of Discrimination Against Women sessions 24 and 25 in 2001 and the General Assembly records at page 79 paragraph 354.
Peck Mark: Parental Leave and Employment Protection Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Peck Mark: Parental Leave and Employment Protection Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:621;Page:16481] 
MARK PECK (Labour—Invercargill) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Hereora Dave: Injury Prevention Rehabilitation and Compensation Amendment Bill (No 3) — In Committee 
Hereora Dave: Injury Prevention Rehabilitation and Compensation Amendment Bill (No 3) — In Committee 
[Volume:625;Page:20275] 
DAVE HEREORA (Labour) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Pettis Jill: Electoral (Vacancies) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
Pettis Jill: Electoral (Vacancies) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:610;Page:7776] 
JILL PETTIS (Junior Whip—NZ Labour) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Paraone Pita: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Procedure Referral to Health Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled  Speaker Recalled In Committee Procedure 
Paraone Pita: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Procedure Referral to Health Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled  Speaker Recalled In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:613;Page:9987] 
PITA PARAONE (NZ First) 
: 
 I am quite happy for the interpreter to interpret. 
[An interpretation in English was given to the House.] 
[ 
Smoking will damage your health 
.]
Smith Lockwood: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Smith Lockwood: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
[Volume:615;Page:11434] 
2.  
Dr the Hon LOCKWOOD SMITH (National—Rodney) 
 to the  
Chairperson of the Foreign Affairs Defence and Trade Committee 
: How long has the Foreign Affairs Defence and Trade Committee been receiving briefings on New Zealand’s relationship with the United States of America? 
Hon PETER DUNNE (Chairperson of the Foreign Affairs Defence and Trade Committee) 
: 
 The committee has received two briefings on the New Zealand relationship with the United States since February 2003. 
Dr the Hon Lockwood Smith 
: That would appear to be over a year. Has the committee learnt anything in those private briefings that is not already public knowledge; and with it now being 3 weeks since Australia announced its trade deal with the US and with the Minister for Trade Negotiations Jim Sutton having just returned empty-handed from his talks with the US Trade Representative Robert Zoellick when will the committee seriously address the issue of an inquiry into New Zealand’s relationship with the United States? 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Part of the question is a bit wide for the chairman to answer but the second part is in order. 
Hon PETER DUNNE 
: The member will be aware that the committee is currently seeking a meeting with the United States Ambassador on the subject of New Zealand’s relations with the United States and I imagine that once that has been carried out committee members may be in a position to decide what they do about the member’s request for an inquiry. 
Hon Ken Shirley 
: Has the committee reached any conclusions about whether the relationship is improving or deteriorating and will the committee be reporting these trends to the House? 
Hon PETER DUNNE 
: The short answers are no and no.
Business of Select Committees — Reporting Dates 
Business of Select Committees — Reporting Dates 
[Volume:616;Page:11907] 
Wednesday 24 March 2004 
Mr Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Prayers 
. 
Business of Select Committees 
Reporting Dates 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I seek leave for the time by which the Primary Production Committee must finally report the 2002-03 financial review of AgriQuality Ltd to be extended to 10 May 2004. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Is there any objection to that course of action being followed? There appears to be none.
Prebble Richard: Points of Order — Standing Order 38—Minister Not Present Parliament Buildings—Media Access Standing Order 38—Minister Not Present  
Prebble Richard: Points of Order — Standing Order 38—Minister Not Present Parliament Buildings—Media Access Standing Order 38—Minister Not Present  
[Volume:624;Page:19685] 
Hon RICHARD PREBBLE (ACT) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. It is a completely new one but again this is the first available opportunity I have had to raise it. You may remember—and other members most certainly will—that I have raised this particular point of order on a number of occasions. I believe that  
Speakers’ Rulings 
 and the Standing Orders—[ 
Interruption 
] 
Madam SPEAKER 
: I just remind members that members are to be heard in silence on points of order. 
Hon RICHARD PREBBLE 
: I believe that  
Speakers’ Rulings 
 and the Standing Orders make it quite clear that members are not to be obstructed when coming to and from the Chamber. I have raised this issue on many occasions but I have basically given up. I think the media have now probably established by common law right that they can sit on the bridge between the Beehive and Parliament House. 
However I discovered that last night suddenly that rule was enforced. It seems quite extraordinary. This is Parliament. We parliamentarians have to zigzag and work our way around the media. On Tuesday I actually had to wait for a while until the leader of the Maori Party had finished her very interesting interview. But I discovered that last night the media were suddenly cleared away because another delegation was visiting that apparently has stronger views about the media. It seems to me that the Government should have a consistent rule. If we MPs have to endure the media—that is part of our job—would it not have been a good idea for the President of Indonesia to be introduced to some free press as well and for him to have to walk through the media the same as we do? 
Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: I am more than happy to follow up that point for the member.
Carter John: Criminal Investigations (Bodily Samples) Amendment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
Carter John: Criminal Investigations (Bodily Samples) Amendment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:612;Page:9456] 
JOHN CARTER (Senior Whip—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. I understand that there has been a little bit of discussion and it seems as we did with the previous bill that there may be agreement over the whole of the Committee to seek leave for us to take a wide-ranging debate. Before the motion is put I seek leave of the House that it be an instruction to the Committee that we have one wide-ranging debate on the bill. Members can object to that if they wish.
Peters Winston: Points of Order — Speaking Slots—Allocation 
Peters Winston: Points of Order — Speaking Slots—Allocation 
[Volume:617;Page:12702] 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 Mr Speaker there is ample precedent for your resolving the issue in the same way as a similar issue was resolved back in 1992 on the question of the Sealord’s debate. You will recall that one evening saw an attempt by the then Labour Party in collusion with National to have its Maori affairs spokesman Koro Wetere speak even though he was not the senior member in the House. You will recall that that was a debate I point-of-ordered out of existence that night my having been denied a chance to speak on that issue and the next day I was expelled from the National Party caucus. If we are to come to this case with a degree of justice and equity then perhaps the precedent would apply this time as well. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Let me just say that I intend to apply this in the fairest way possible. I always listen to the Hon Richard Prebble carefully. Whoever speaks in Labour’s slots is not a matter for the House; essentially it is a matter for the party. I have heard what the member said I have heard what Mr Carter said and I hope that the matter can be resolved before we get into the debate which is still some time off.
Speaker’s Rulings — Resource Management Amendment Bill (No 2) 
Speaker’s Rulings — Resource Management Amendment Bill (No 2) 
[Volume:607;Page:4420] 
Speaker’s Rulings 
Resource Management Amendment Bill (No 2) 
Mr SPEAKER 
: A point of order was raised last week in relation to the Resource Management Amendment Bill (No 2). As I ruled then Standing Order 100 does not apply to prevent the No. 2 bill from being read a first time even if there is a similar bill on the Order Paper although I note that the earlier bill has now been withdrawn. I do not intend to go over this issue again. 
The other point that was raised related to the fact that the No. 2 bill is drafted in two parts while the first bill is drafted in 18 parts. It was asserted and I think that this is fair comment that this form of drafting has been employed so as to cut down the length of debate in the Committee stage. 
The Standing Orders do contain some provisions as to how a bill is to be drafted—see for example Standing Orders 251 and 252 requiring title and commencement clauses. But in the main there is little direction as to the form in which a bill must be presented to the House and the Speaker cannot control how it is drafted—see Speaker’s ruling 77/1. I therefore do not see how I can intervene in a Government decision to draft a bill in two parts rather than 18 parts. I think that this form of drafting however is a matter that the chairpersons should take into account in Committee in deciding when to accept a closure motion. I would expect that a considerably longer debate would be permitted on a part with numerous subparts than would otherwise be the case. This is something that I will discuss with the chairpersons when the bill is scheduled for its Committee stage. 
Hon BILL ENGLISH (Leader of the Opposition) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I just want to pick up on the implications of the ruling. I take it that that ruling now means that the drafting process is no longer independent of the executive—that is the Government can direct the form and process of drafting unimpeded by points of view from either the Clerk’s Office or the Speaker’s office. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: No it never has been and I want to tell the honourable member that in the 37 years I have been in this House I can recall no example when there has been any change to that.
Cullen Michael: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Cullen Michael: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:627;Page:22172] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 Given that the leader of the National Party has been reported as stating that he has no idea of the costings of the details of the policies announced by his colleagues—and that was in the newspaper just last Sunday—I see no reason why the member should expect the Prime Minister to have in front of her at this point the full details of balance sheet changes.
Ngati Awa Claims Settlement Bill — Instruction to Committee 
Ngati Awa Claims Settlement Bill — Instruction to Committee 
[Volume:623;Page:18594] 
Ngati Awa Claims Settlement Bill 
Instruction to Committee 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I move  
That it be an instruction to the Committee of the whole House on the Ngati Awa Claims Settlement Bill that it take the bill part by part 
. 
Motion agreed to.
Pettis Jill: Electoral Amendment Bill Broadcasting Amendment Bill (No 2) — Third Readings 
Pettis Jill: Electoral Amendment Bill Broadcasting Amendment Bill (No 2) — Third Readings 
[Volume:622;Page:17342] 
JILL PETTIS (Labour—Whanganui) 
: 
 I rise in support of the legislation. I would like to say that the debate on this legislation has been constructive. Electoral law is important in this country. I think that largely all members across the House have done their level best through the select committee process and through the debate in the House to improve the legislation as much as possible. We cannot expect everybody to agree on every fine point but I would say that members in the majority have worked constructively to ensure we have good electoral law in this country. We have to remember that New Zealand has a very open democracy. We have general elections that are conducted in a sophisticated and effective way and this legislation will help to ensure that situation prevails. While the public at large may not necessarily always be happy with the outcome of each election the way that our elections are conducted is the envy I suggest of many other countries. I am very pleased to support the legislation and thank all members for their contributions.
Vote: Overseas Investment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
Vote: Overseas Investment Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:626;Page:21556] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 20 
New Zealand First 13; Green Party 7. 
Noes 92 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand National 26; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Rod Donald to clause 6 be agreed to: 
to omit from subclause (1) the expression “25” in both places where it occurs and substitute the expression “10”.
Brownlee Gerry: Supreme Court Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Brownlee Gerry: Supreme Court Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:612;Page:8998] 
GERRY BROWNLEE (NZ National—Ilam) 
: 
 Goodness knows how we will get on tonight when we come to the “Gnome Bill”! However let me just say to those Maori members over there that we hear so often from them about reference to the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi. Well one of the key principles of the treaty must be the reference that all of us have to stand before the courts as equals. No doubt when that treaty was signed and intentions were there those people who signed understood that one of those principles meant the right to appeal directly to the Crown via the legal committee of the Privy Council. For those members to come into this House and have no view about why that is being changed to sit mute and not represent the views of the Maori people who do not want this bill to go through and to sit mute and not even say why they have decided to vote against those whom they are here to represent is quite unacceptable. It leads to a suggestion that there is a degree of muzzle on that faction within the Labour caucus. 
Further where are the Labour Party lawyers who are experts in this field? Not the law professor not the various people with legal degrees who have never practised but where is Russell Fairbrother? Why is he not part of this debate? The Opposition has put forward speakers who are well experienced in the law people who have been to the Privy Council and people who understand the value of going to the Privy Council. The Opposition has made a case for this title to fall over. The Government has not adequately said what is so good about it. 
 I want to ask a final question. If this bill is to stand and appeals to the Privy Council are to go why does Helen Clark not relinquish her “Rt Hon” title? Why does Helen Clark not say: “I no longer want to be referred to as the Rt Hon Helen Clark Prime Minister of New Zealand member of the Queen’s Privy Council. I simply want to be Helen Clark potential leader of the Republic of New Zealand.”? Because that is what we are heading for.
Vote: Energy Safety Review Bill — First Reading 
Vote: Energy Safety Review Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:627;Page:21809] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Energy Safety Review Bill be now read a first time. 
Ayes 84 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2; Maori Party 1. 
Noes 36 
New Zealand National 27; ACT New Zealand 9. 
Bill read a first time. 
Bill referred to the Commerce Committee.referred to Commerce Committee
Vote: Criminal Records (Clean Slate) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Procedure 
Vote: Criminal Records (Clean Slate) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:617;Page:12585] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 63 
New Zealand Labour 52; Green Party 9; Progressive 2. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Motion agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 175 in the name of Murray Smith to insert new clause 14B be agreed to.
Hide Rodney: General Debate 
Hide Rodney: General Debate 
[Volume:625;Page:20250] 
RODNEY HIDE (Leader—ACT) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I said that I think Helen Clark is lying over this. That is what I think. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Clem Simich) 
: Would the member please withdraw and apologise. I would appreciate that. 
RODNEY HIDE 
: To please the Speaker I withdraw and apologise. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Clem Simich) 
: It is not to please me. If the member could just leave off that comment. 
RODNEY HIDE 
: I withdraw and apologise.
Hide Rodney: Points of Order — Urgent Debate 19 October—Allegations by Acting Prime Minister 
Hide Rodney: Points of Order — Urgent Debate 19 October—Allegations by Acting Prime Minister 
[Volume:621;Page:16302] 
RODNEY HIDE (Leader—ACT) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: We have not yet had one today. 
RODNEY HIDE 
: Through you Mr Speaker I invite the Acting Prime Minister to say outside the House what he said here. I know that he will not. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The member is now trifling with the Chair. If he raises another frivolous point of order he will be leaving the Chamber.
Samuels Dover: Building Bill — In Committee 
Samuels Dover: Building Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:619;Page:14775] 
Hon DOVER SAMUELS (Minister of State) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Benson-Pope David: Retirement Villages Bill — Second Reading 
Benson-Pope David: Retirement Villages Bill — Second Reading 
[Volume:609;Page:7031] 
DAVID BENSON-POPE (NZ Labour—Dunedin South) 
: We can be assured of one thing after those comments. If there had been any risk of ACT party support reaching any threshold it now is well and truly down the drain because no aged person would support them after that extraordinary admission. I am pleased to have in my electorate of Dunedin South a number of large retirement villages. Many of the issues that have been brought to me by the people who live in those villages are in relation to misrepresentation and to the misery that has arisen from the sorts of misunderstandings genuine or deliberate that have been encouraged as part of what the Associate Minister of Justice spoke about in her introductory speech. There has been a sad misunderstanding of the reality which Ms Dalziel characterised perfectly when she spoke of retirement units not being the capital asset that people expected they would be when they bought their new retirement home. I acknowledge there are extraordinary levels of community of health support and of security related to these organisations and communities and I commend that. It is a very sad comment on how our society has developed that so many people have been suckered into that sort of environment because of that attraction and in many cases have lost what are often quite meagre life-savings. I am absolutely flabbergasted at what I have just heard from the ACT party as will be readers of the  
Hansard 
 that I will distribute with pleasure in my electorate. I commend this bill to the House.
Vote: Ngati Tama Claims Settlement Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Vote: Ngati Tama Claims Settlement Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:613;Page:10186] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 5 be agreed to. 
Ayes 108 
New Zealand Labour 52; New Zealand National 25; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Noes 8 
ACT New Zealand 8. 
Part 5 agreed to.
Carter John: Maori Television Service (Te Aratuku Whakaata Irirangi Maori) Bill — Third Reading 
Carter John: Maori Television Service (Te Aratuku Whakaata Irirangi Maori) Bill — Third Reading 
[Volume:608;Page:5290] 
JOHN CARTER (Senior Whip—NZ National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. The senior Government whip has now doubted my word. I am an honourable member in this House. I have relayed the events as I saw them. You were halfway through putting the question—I do not deny that—when I sought the call. I am not suggesting that you had not started putting the question but I did seek the call halfway through— 
Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Would the member please be seated. We need to finish dealing with this. 
JOHN CARTER 
: Yes you do but what I am offended by is that my word has been doubted. Unless there is evidence members are honourable members in this House and should not have their word contradicted.
Ririnui Mita: Te Runanga o Ngati Awa Bill — Procedure In Committee 
Ririnui Mita: Te Runanga o Ngati Awa Bill — Procedure In Committee 
[Volume:623;Page:18914] 
Hon MITA RIRINUI (Associate Minister in charge of Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations) 
: 
 I stand here to give more than just a yes or no response. I can satisfy the member’s concerns that the Maori version and the English version of the commentary do reflect what the bill is intending. Furthermore as I said earlier Government members are in a minority on the Maori Affairs Committee and we did have the committee’s support which included the support of the National Party representative.
Resignations — Rt Hon Jonathan Hunt NZ Labour 
Resignations — Rt Hon Jonathan Hunt NZ Labour 
[Volume:624;Page:19547] 
Resignations 
Rt Hon Jonathan Hunt NZ Labour 
Madam SPEAKER 
: I wish to advise the House that I have received a letter from the Rt Hon Jonathan Hunt resigning his seat in the House with effect on 31 March 2005.
Benson-Pope David: Points of Order — Dominion Post Article 
Benson-Pope David: Points of Order — Dominion Post Article 
[Volume:612;Page:9250] 
DAVID BENSON-POPE (Senior Whip—Labour) 
: 
 I would be delighted to Mr Speaker. I have already communicated my concern about the inaccuracy of the story to its author. When I was approached about the issue I referred to the employment matters concerned. The issue of any gifts of any kind was not raised. None occurred and I have told her that is the fact. I can assure the House that is exactly the facts of this matter.
Beyer Georgina: Intellectual Disability (Compulsory Care and rehabilitation) Bill — In Committee Third Reading 
Beyer Georgina: Intellectual Disability (Compulsory Care and rehabilitation) Bill — In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:612;Page:9583] 
GEORGINA BEYER (Labour—Wairarapa) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Cullen Michael: Business Statement 
Cullen Michael: Business Statement 
[Volume:616;Page:11775] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 Next week in the House priority will be given to the Appropriation (2002/03 Financial Review) Bill debate Government Notice of Motion No. 1 and the second readings of the Business Law Reform Bill and the Resource Management (Waitaki Catchment) Amendment Bill. Wednesday is a members’ day.
Hughes Darren: Customs and Excise (Motor Spirits) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Hughes Darren: Customs and Excise (Motor Spirits) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:623;Page:18603] 
DARREN HUGHES (Labour—Otaki) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Hunt Jonathan: Points of Order — Presentation of Report of Privileges Committee 
Hunt Jonathan: Points of Order — Presentation of Report of Privileges Committee 
[Volume:610;Page:7635] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I am waiting for the House to debate the report of the Privileges Committee which is a perfectly reasonable step and one which I announced on 23 July. When the House comes to a decision I will then most certainly act.
Pettis Jill: Crown Minerals Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Pettis Jill: Crown Minerals Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:610;Page:7877] 
JILL PETTIS (Junior Whip—NZ Labour) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Cullen Michael: Urgency 
Cullen Michael: Urgency 
[Volume:616;Page:12098] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I move  
That urgency be accorded the introduction and first reading of the Police Complaints Authority (Commission of Inquiry into Police Conduct) Amendment Bill the first reading of the Charities Bill and the passing through the remaining stages of the Education (Disestablishment of Early Childhood Development Board) Amendment Bill the State Sector Amendment Bill (No 3) the Maritime Security Bill the Crimes and Misconduct (Overseas Operations) Bill the Radio New Zealand Amendment Bill the Telecommunications (Interception Capability) Bill the New Zealand Symphony Orchestra Bill and the Sale of Liquor Amendment Bill (No 2) and of any bills into which those bills may be divided. 
 This motion is moved first of all to enable the Police Complaints Authority (Commission of Inquiry into Police Conduct) Amendment Bill to proceed to its first reading and to a select committee without the standard 3-day separation. In relation to the other matters the motion is moved to ensure that they are dealt with before the House rises for the Easter adjournment.
Vote: Maori Television Service Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled 
Vote: Maori Television Service Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled 
[Volume:607;Page:4986] 
A party vote was called for on the question That  
the motion be agreed to. 
Ayes 68 
Noes 48 
Motion agreed to. 
Labour 52; Green Party 8; United Future 8. 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8.
Robertson H V Ross: Budget Debate 
Robertson H V Ross: Budget Debate 
[Volume:626;Page:21095] 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I have been advised by United Future that it wishes to split its call into two 5-minute calls.
Brown Peter: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Brown Peter: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:612;Page:8963] 
PETER BROWN (Deputy Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 In the light of the fact that since I first requested leave to table a letter from the Hon Annette King to myself about Mrs Grimsdell she has just been contacted by the Ministry of Health with a view to her having her operation I seek leave to table the letter again. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to table the letter. [ 
Interruption 
] That is slightly overdoing the point of order procedure. The member has sought leave to table. He is perfectly entitled to do that. Is there any objection? There is. 
Rodney Hide 
: 75000 to go. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: No.
Vote: Relationships (Statutory References) Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Relationships (Statutory References) Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:624;Page:19102] 
A personal vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 31 
Adams(P) 
Donnelly(P) 
Paraone(P) 
Stewart(P) 
Alexander(P) 
Eckhoff(P) 
Perry(P) 
Turner(P) 
Baldock(P) 
Franks  
Peters J 
Woolerton(P) 
Brash(P) 
Gudgeon(P) 
Peters W (P) 
Brown  
Jones(P) 
Prebble(P) 
Carter J (P) 
Mark(P) 
Roy(P) 
Catchpole(P) 
McNair(P) 
Shirley(P) 
Collins(P) 
Newman(P) 
Smith N (P) 
Teller: 
Connell(P) 
Ogilvy(P) 
Sowry(P) 
Smith M 
Noes 83 
Anderton(P) 
Dyson(P) 
Laban(P) 
Simich  
Ardern(P) 
English(P) 
Locke(P) 
Smith L (P) 
Barker  
Ewen-Street(P) 
Mackey J (P) 
Sutton(P) 
Barnett(P) 
Fairbrother(P) 
Mackey M (P) 
Swain(P) 
Benson-Pope(P) 
Fitzsimons(P) 
Maharey(P) 
Tamihere(P) 
Beyer(P) 
Gallagher  
Mahuta(P) 
Tanczos(P) 
Bradford(P) 
Goff(P) 
Mallard(P) 
te Heuheu(P) 
Brownlee(P) 
Gosche(P) 
Mapp(P) 
Tisch(P) 
Burton(P) 
Goudie(P) 
McCully(P) 
Tizard(P) 
Carter C (P) 
Hartley(P) 
O'Connor(P) 
Turei(P) 
Carter D (P) 
Hawkins(P) 
Okeroa(P) 
Ward(P) 
Chadwick  
Heatley(P) 
Parker(P) 
Williamson(P) 
Choudhary(P) 
Hereora(P) 
Peck(P) 
Wilson(P) 
Clark(P) 
Hobbs  
Pillay(P) 
Wong(P) 
Cosgrove(P) 
Hodgson(P) 
Power(P) 
Worth(P) 
Cullen(P) 
Horomia  
Rich(P) 
Yates 
Cunliffe(P) 
Hughes  
Ririnui(P) 
Dalziel(P) 
Hunt(P) 
Robertson(P) 
Donald  
Hutchison(P) 
Robson(P) 
Duncan(P) 
Kedgley(P) 
Ryall(P) 
Dunne  
Key(P) 
Samuels(P) 
Teller: 
Duynhoven(P) 
King(P) 
Scott(P) 
Pettis  
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 336 in the name of Stephen Franks to schedule 13 to insert new section 32A in the Human Rights Act 1993 be agreed to.
Pettis Jill: Education (School Boards of Trustees Single Transferable Vote Option) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Pettis Jill: Education (School Boards of Trustees Single Transferable Vote Option) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:620;Page:15492] 
JILL PETTIS (Labour—Whanganui) 
: 
 I endorse the comments that Mr Adams has just made about members’ bills being repeatedly deferred and I am sure the Green Party will take note of that. The more members’ bills we get through the better. 
In regard to this bill I too will not be supporting it and Government members have already indicated our position. I speak from personal experience of having been for many many years a member of parent teacher associations school committees and boards of trustees. In fact I was still a member of a board of trustees when my children were at university and long out of the State school system. I continued to serve on the board because I had a great deal of interest in school governance. That really is the crux of the issue for parents who get involved in their children’s schools or in schools near where they live: they do want to serve. 
But we also have to acknowledge that the number of parents who stand for election and the number of schools that are required to hold an election because there is a contest to fill the positions are decreasing. That can be attributed to the increasingly busy lives that people lead and sometimes to people not feeling confident enough to stand for election to a school board of trustees. One of the aspects that the single transferable vote system could introduce to the equation is to make standing for election even more intimidating and more off-putting for those parents whom we most want to stand for the boards. 
Overarching all of that I think the most important aspect is that the School Trustees Association which is the authority on matters of school governance does not support this bill. I believe that it is incumbent upon the members in the House to take note of that organisation. It represents all the school boards of trustees and we would be wise to follow its advice.
Yates Dianne: Local Government Law Reform Bill (No 3) — First Reading 
Yates Dianne: Local Government Law Reform Bill (No 3) — First Reading 
[Volume:616;Page:12492] 
DIANNE YATES (Labour—Hamilton East) 
: 
 I rise in support of the Local Government Law Reform Bill (No 3). The previous speaker is right. There are a good number of issues in this bill that need to be changed quickly particularly with local government elections coming up and I am glad that he is going to support the bill and facilitate its speedy passage through the House. 
Gerry Brownlee 
: Mr Speaker— 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Mr Brownlee.
Brown Peter: Prostitution Reform Bill — In Committee 
Brown Peter: Prostitution Reform Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:609;Page:6173] 
PETER BROWN (Deputy Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 I know that Larry Baldock’s next call will be his last and I am keen to hear him. I note we have only 2 minutes until the tea break and I do not believe it is fair for a member to have to split a 5-minute call. I seek leave for the House to adjourn 1 minute before 6 o’clock. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Is there any objection to that course of action? There is.
Vote: Maori Television Service Bill — Second Reading 
Vote: Maori Television Service Bill — Second Reading 
[Volume:607;Page:4924] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Maori Television Service Bill be now read a second time. 
Ayes 63 
Labour 52; Green Party 9; Progressive 2. 
Noes 56 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 8. 
Bill read a second time.
Mark Ron: Crimes (Drug Rape) Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
Mark Ron: Crimes (Drug Rape) Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
[Volume:623;Page:18513] 
RON MARK (NZ First) 
: 
 I will take just a brief call. Having sat on the Law and Order Committee with Dianne Yates and the rest of the team I just take the opportunity to endorse the comments of my colleague Barbara Stewart the future Minister of Health in the next Government. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Clem Simich) 
: I am sorry. I wrongly called you Mr Mark. 
RON MARK 
: But you have. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Clem Simich) 
: The call is invalid and I am sorry. 
RON MARK 
: I was just going to compliment the honourable Dianne Yates. 
Lindsay Tisch 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. You said that Mr Mark’s call was invalid. National would have had three calls and we actually— 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Clem Simich) 
: No sorry; it is because his party is entitled to speak only once in this debate and a member had already spoken. 
Lindsay Tisch 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I want just to confirm that National is entitled to three speeches and we have had two. We are offering our third spot to New Zealand First so that it can have an extra call. 
Hon Mark Burton 
: I seek leave for the member’s party to have a second call. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Clem Simich) 
: Leave has been sought for that course to be taken. Is there any objection? There appears to be none. 
RON MARK 
: May I once again congratulate the House. Is it not amazing that in moments like this when such generosity is shown across the House there are so very few reporters around to report on the generosity of the Minister of Defence and the generosity of the deputy leader of the National Party as well and the other members in the House—from ACT United Future and the Greens? 
Hon Ken Shirley 
: I almost said no. 
RON MARK 
: But he did not. I guess that is the unfortunate thing—that every now and then when we have members’ day it is possible sometimes to lose track of where we are. 
I just want to say to Dianne Yates that she must be the luckiest member in this House—I think I have said this before. In terms of the number of bills that this lady has had introduced in the House all of us are envious of her. But the quality of the work that goes in behind those bills has to be recognised and the fact is her work on this bill has been recognised by the Government and it has been incorporated into the other bill. Although this bill will be discharged from the House the subsequent law changes that will come eventually we hope when this Government brings that bill to the floor of the House will be for the betterment of all. I wish to conclude by saying to Ms Dianne Yates: “Congratulations and well done.” 
Motion not agreed to.
Prebble Richard: Electoral (Vacancies) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Prebble Richard: Electoral (Vacancies) Amendment Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:610;Page:7711] 
Hon RICHARD PREBBLE (Leader—ACT NZ) 
: 
 I am somewhat sympathetic to the points made by the right honourable gentleman because Standing Order 103 on the issue of deciding who to call states that the “overall participation in a debate should be approximately proportional to party membership in the House:” and under that ruling the right honourable gentleman from New Zealand First should have been called next. However Mr Assistant Speaker if you are upholding a Speaker’s ruling that basically says United Future is really part of this Labour-led Government then I say make our day. I actually think you are correct. I regard the United Future party as a 100-percent reliable doormat for this Government.
Vote: Health Practitioners Competence Assurance Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Health Practitioners Competence Assurance Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:611;Page:8231] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to 
Ayes 13 
New Zealand First 13. 
Noes 98 
Labour 52; New Zealand National 23; ACT New Zealand 7; Green Party 8; United Future 8. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 102 in the name of the Hon Annette King be agreed to. 
Amendments agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 118 in the name of the Hon Annette King to the schedules be agreed to. 
Amendments agreed to.
Benson-Pope David: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Benson-Pope David: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:613;Page:10069] 
12.  
DAVID BENSON-POPE (Labour—Dunedin South) 
 to the  
Minister for Social Development and Employment 
: What reports has he received on the outcomes of the Pathways to Arts and Cultural Employment scheme? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY (Minister for Social Development and Employment) 
: 
 The Pathways to Arts and Cultural Employment—or “PACE”—scheme has been very successful in assisting job seekers wishing to develop a career in the creative industries to move into paid employment. As at the end of September 2003 1620 people had moved off the unemployment benefit and into paid employment with the assistance of the scheme. 
David Benson-Pope 
: What other reports has the Minister received on the scheme and is he aware of any other taxpayer-supported schemes that offer employment support for people engaged in creative pursuits? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY 
: I have been informed that the very successful Pathways to Arts and Cultural Employment scheme has been criticised on the grounds that it has “the potential to give people unrealistic expectations”. I have also been informed recently that taxpayers are providing an annual salary of more than $110000 for a budding author to write a children’s book that would make most right-wing people blush. I would observe that both the critic of the Pathways to Arts and Cultural Employment scheme and the budding author of the 
 Little Yellow Duck of Freedom  
are ACT MPs. 
Katherine Rich 
: What does the Minister say to successful independent artists like Grahame Sydney who are not convinced that turning budding artists into welfare dependants does anything to increase the artistic vibrancy of New Zealand? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY 
: I would say to him that the Pathways to Arts and Cultural Employment programme has been very successful in placing people into long-term stable employment—unlike being a leader of the National Party.
Cullen Michael: Urgent Debates Declined — Government Transport Package Foreshore and Seabed Human Rights Review Tribunal Decision Points of Order 
Cullen Michael: Urgent Debates Declined — Government Transport Package Foreshore and Seabed Human Rights Review Tribunal Decision Points of Order 
[Volume:614;Page:10724] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Deputy Prime Minister) 
: 
 If the member had listened to the Prime Minister’s answers earlier he would have gathered that decisions have not yet been made. It is the intention to take those tomorrow. We shall see how that goes.
Field Taito Phillip: Maori Fisheries Bill — In Committee 
Field Taito Phillip: Maori Fisheries Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:620;Page:15613] 
Hon TAITO PHILLIP FIELD (Minister of State) 
: 
 Yes I did. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I thought he did. Thank you very much.
Vote: Medicines (Specified Biotechnical Procedures)  Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
Vote: Medicines (Specified Biotechnical Procedures)  Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
[Volume:625;Page:20555] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the bill be now read a second time. 
Ayes 83 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 34 
New Zealand National 25; ACT New Zealand 9. 
Bill read a second time.
Vote: Border Security Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Border Security Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:618;Page:13749] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That clause 1 be agreed to. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 54 
New Zealand National 26; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 7; United Future 8. 
Clause 1 agreed to.
Hunt Jonathan: Speaker’s Rulings — Questions for Written Answer 
Hunt Jonathan: Speaker’s Rulings — Questions for Written Answer 
[Volume:608;Page:5105] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I want to reply to Mr Hide. There were four questions mentioned. Two were answered yesterday one was answered this afternoon and the fourth is awaiting the Minister’s signature hopefully to be done very soon.
Benson-Pope David: Sale of Liquor Amendment Bill (No 2) — First Reading 
Benson-Pope David: Sale of Liquor Amendment Bill (No 2) — First Reading 
[Volume:613;Page:10188] 
DAVID BENSON-POPE (Labour—Dunedin South) 
: 
I am pleased to rise in support of this legislation.
Business of the House 
Business of the House 
[Volume:616;Page:12429] 
Business of the House 
Hon MARK BURTON (Deputy Leader of the House) 
: 
 Pursuant to an agreement I reached with members of parties earlier on as I indicated during the Committee I now seek leave for the House to move to Government notice of motion No. 2 and at the conclusion of that should the time be before 10 p.m. for the House at that point to rise for the evening. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Is there any objection to that course of action being taken? There appears to be none.