Lyndon Hūhana; McKee NicoleHŪHANA LYNDON (Green): Kia ora Madam Chair. I stand on behalf of Te Rōpū Kākāriki to again support this bill. But further adding on to my colleague from the Labour Party just to query a couple of further parts to Part 1 acknowledging that we are expanding and providing the opportunity for both audio links and audiovisual links to be provided. As someone from Te Tai Tokerau—mindful of travel distance mindful of our capacity for Wi-Fi reception across the rohe. But hearing from the Minister also that there's an opportunity for us to maybe have like a hub-and-spoke approach where a victim might be able to go to a place such as Kaitāia and Zoom-in using their technology to a hearing in Whangārei is really good because it provides that ability for us to stay within our kāinga in the Far North but be able to participate using better technology than what we might have in Hokianga or somewhere like that.I did want to follow up though in terms of resourcing and acknowledging that there will be a review of the system. With the resourcing thinking about both the hardware available in the courthouse but also the ability for staff to be allocated—knowing that we've still got the funding shortages within the department—and the relevant trained staff who are able to dedicate their time because this might be a request that comes up more often than not now. With providing the opportunity for this remote connection into hearings we could see an increase in volumes of requests to utilise this technology.So there is a question around resourcing capacity and capability but acknowledging certainly that this is a good step in the right direction for us to all be able to participate according to our tikanga particularly from a victim perspective.But mindful too that of course—as we've heard previously—for a victim to be able to participate in front of the offender is also a part of that journey. But having the audiovisual opportunity you can then not have to undergo sometimes the whakamā or the intimidation that might occur in the courthouse when you are engaging face to face with your offender and those that might be his supporters.So that's my basic question it's around resourcing capability and capacity. And if we do get increases in requests for utilising this technology or this option moving forward does she have confidence that we will have the manpower and dedicated staff that can execute these requests? Kia ora.Hon NICOLE McKEE (Minister for Courts): Thank you Madam Chair and thanks to that member for the questions. Again really good questions.We currently have available audiovisual technology in 136 of our courtrooms and 55 courts and tribunal buildings as well. That's the audiovisual technology—some of it's old some of it's on trolleys some of it's quite modern. And this is why it's so important that we introduce the audio side as well because regardless of where we go if we have that reception we can at least listen in if not always view. Also when it comes to our victims being able to watch—where they are spectators—it's a one-way vision. So only they and their support person can see into the courtroom. The defendant cannot look out and watch them being watched so to speak. So they can still participate and be protected. And what I really like about this bill is them having that ability—like you say—to be close to their whānau to their own rohe or motu and be able to have their support person directly with them. I think that's going to be beneficial for everybody.So while we do not have everybody operating in an ideal way this is what the first-principles review is going to be looking at: what is working what's not working where do we need the upgrades.And in answer to your question about the court staff they're already utilising this. I just believe that more training will be required when we start implementing new technology should that indeed occur after we've had the first-principles review.