Tuiono Teanau; Faafoi KrisTEANAU TUIONO (Green): Yeah thank you for that I was wondering—in terms of some of the communities watching from home—if you could walk us through how this could capture like the offender from Christchurch? I think I can see how it might catch the guy from New Lynn but how could this capture someone who flies under the radar? I'm talking about white supremacy I'm talking about Nazis I'm talking about those sorts of people that people from the communities that I come from are concerned about. So could you walk us through those two different scenarios about how this would actually do that?Hon KRIS FAAFOI (Minister of Justice): Thank you Mr Chair. As I mentioned before all those three legs of motivation intent and purpose need to be met. The change in this piece of legislation I believe if the individual concerned obviously had an ideological bent and if the police were able to monitor him and believe that he did have the motivation intent and purpose to carry out such an attack and—I guess in a hypothetical world because I don't want to give too much attention to the individual—they saw him meeting those three tests and making moves to plan and prepare to carry out an attack they would have as the High Court judge mentioned the offence within this piece of legislation to bring about a prosecution. That hasn't been available until this piece of legislation has passed and regardless of the motivation or ideology of the individual or entity concerned the ability to prevent an attack happening—which was in I think clause 8 of the bill I may stand to be corrected there—is one of the key changes in this piece of legislation.So not only to some of those communities who may have some focus around disappointment of past actions but to all communities who are concerned that this piece of legislation may see it being misused: we believe there are safeguards within it to ensure that it won't. I think as I mentioned at the very outset the nature of some of the activities is changing and in order to give the authorities the ability to pre-empt and take action before either infrastructure individuals or groups are attacked is one of the key pieces of this legislation.TEANAU TUIONO (Green): Thank you for that answer. I guess one of the concerns that still remains with me is the speed of it and also the way that this bill seems to be changing tack quite a bit as well. I know that a few people share those concerns—in some of the communities—that I do as well.In terms of its original intention—and perhaps you could enlighten me here Minister—when you brought in this regime it only applied to foreign fighters returning home and you said that the control over the regime was necessary as you weren't able to gain sufficient legal evidence from places like Syria to charge them with a criminal offence. How can you justify expanding this now to include people convicted in New Zealand? The initial bill required a review of the regime but this has been pushed out for another two years so if you could answer—for myself and the people at home as well—those two questions that would be good.Hon KRIS FAAFOI (Minister of Justice): The control orders regime makes changes to a piece of legislation that was passed in 2019 which does allow currently anyone who's convicted of a terrorism offence that occurred overseas to be monitored by the authorities or be put under conditions by the authorities. The gap in the law which is seen to be changed here in this legislation is that I think certainly in the last two or three years we've seen that there are domestic threats and if anyone were to be convicted of a terrorism-related offence in the future and there were still ongoing concerns about their motivations to carry out further attacks or to carry out an attack then a control order would be able to be used as one of the amendments to the regime in this piece of legislation.Again that's a higher threshold. I believe only one individual has been convicted of a terrorism offence in New Zealand. Anyone who undergoes a control orders regime will have to be found guilty of a terrorism offence and I think in order to prepare for the future—I would hope we never have to use that regime that's within this piece of legislation but again because of the changing nature of the terror threat or national security threats in New Zealand ensuring that power is there to have a control order for those who have offended in New Zealand was seen as the right thing to do given the changing nature of threat.