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Duncan Helen: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Duncan Helen: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:625;Page:20534] 
4.  
HELEN DUNCAN (Labour) 
 to the  
Minister of Education 
: What steps is he taking to improve the quality of early childhood teaching? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Minister of Education) 
: 
 New teacher registration requirements mean that early childhood education centres must now have at least one registered teacher present at all times. By 2012 teachers will need to be qualified and registered although 30 percent may be in training. To help centres meet these new requirements an additional 200 TeachNZ scholarships for prospective early childhood education teachers will now be available for July 2005 enrolments. The reason for this is that the scheme has been so popular early in the year that we would run out of places if they were not made available. So they are on top of the 700 that the House has previously agreed to. The scholarships cover fees and could be worth up to $20000 over the full duration of study. 
Helen Duncan 
: What additional steps is the Minister taking to increase participation in quality early childhood education? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: From July 2007 all 3 and 4-year-olds will be entitled to up to 20 hours per week free early childhood education in teacher-led community-based services. This is probably the most significant change in our early childhood system in the last 50 years. Our Government is committed to giving every child the best possible start in life and our early childhood policies are world-leading in reflecting that. 
Hon Brian Donnelly 
: Is it not true that following settlement of the kindergarten teachers’ collective agreement all the incentives are geared towards early childhood teachers studying for degrees an outcome that exacerbates the circumstances that we heard about yesterday at the select committee where new graduates do not know how to wipe a child’s nose but have in-depth knowledge and understanding of the works of Karl Marx? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: One would be tempted to say that it is a good thing to know that they could read.
Gallagher Martin: Financial Review Debate — In Committee 
Gallagher Martin: Financial Review Debate — In Committee 
[Volume:624;Page:19495] 
MARTIN GALLAGHER (Labour—Hamilton West) 
: 
 As a member of the Foreign Affairs Defence and Trade Committee it gives me enormous pleasure and pride to say that I have visited Waiouru in the last year on a special field visit by the committee seen the wonderful men and women there and witnessed the wonderful way they work. It was very clear to me that in terms of the New Zealand Defence Force and our armed services under this Government it is all good news. I compliment the men and women of the armed services for the tremendous work they do for this country. If ever a force a group of men and women should unite this Parliament in giving praise it is the wonderful men and women of our defence forces. I want to compliment and again say how impressed I was with the leadership—with the heads of the armed forces but also with the Minister leading them. Under this Government we have seen some real gains in defence. 
Here are just some of the achievements this term. We are building a modern defence force that has appropriate structures to best fit New Zealand’s needs that ensures accountability and that is open to new technological and conceptual advances cultural changes and modern ideas. What a contrast that is to what we inherited at the end of the 1990s. 
Darren Hughes 
: Tragic years. 
MARTIN GALLAGHER 
: Yes we had 9 tragic years frankly and with due respect in their hearts members of the Opposition know it. They allowed the defence forces in this country to run down. Members of New Zealand First will certainly not disagree with that. I know that in their hearts they totally agree with the point I have made on that. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich) 
: I am sorry to interrupt the member but the time for this debate has expired. 
Reports noted.
Brownlee Gerry: Urgent Debates Declined — Government Transport Package Foreshore and Seabed Human Rights Review Tribunal Decision Points of Order 
Brownlee Gerry: Urgent Debates Declined — Government Transport Package Foreshore and Seabed Human Rights Review Tribunal Decision Points of Order 
[Volume:614;Page:10726] 
GERRY BROWNLEE (Deputy Leader—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I seek further clarification from you. The press advisory notice in front of us is headed: “Foreshore and Seabed Announcement. The Government will deliver a detailed policy statement on the foreshore and seabed tomorrow at 2 p.m. at the Beehive Theatrette.” 
Hon Ken Shirley 
: Not may; will. 
GERRY BROWNLEE 
: That is exactly my point—the notice does not say “may” it says “will”. Quite clearly the detailed work behind this is done. The detail of the announcement is understood and agreed to by all members of the Government and its supporters and this is entitled “an announcement”. Surely the Government is announcing that it is about to indicate what the detail of its policy is. Why can this sort of action take place in face of the House being told that there is no opportunity to debate the matter?
Pettis Jill: Crown Minerals Amendment Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Pettis Jill: Crown Minerals Amendment Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:610;Page:7627] 
JILL PETTIS (Junior Whip—NZ Labour) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Bradford Sue: Credit Contracts and Consumer Finance Bill — Third Reading 
Bradford Sue: Credit Contracts and Consumer Finance Bill — Third Reading 
[Volume:612;Page:8895] 
SUE BRADFORD (Green) 
: 
 On behalf of the Green Party I welcome the return of this bill to the House this afternoon for its third reading. We look forward to its implementation. This updating of the laws around the provision of consumer credit is well overdue. The addition of buy-back transactions to deal with the dreadful scams that have recently come to light and which the honourable member John Tamihere has done so much good work on only makes this legislation even more timely. 
The Green Party strongly believes that the State has a role to play in protecting the most vulnerable in our community to the extent that it reasonably can. I trust that as the bill comes on stream we will see a real clean-up of a lot of the worst aspects of third-tier lending and an end to the iniquitous buy-back schemes that lead all to often to the loss of an innocent person’s home. 
During the Commerce Committee consideration of this bill the Green Party was pleased that the committee saw fit to seriously take on recommendations from some submitters particularly church and community groups working with people suffering from the impact of some of the worst excesses of third-tier lending to include hardship provisions in the final draft of the bill. The Green Party supported the desire of these submitters to strengthen the original bill and we pushed for the addition of clauses that mean that a debtor who unexpectedly faces hardship such as illness injury loss of job or the end of a relationship has a right to apply to have the terms of his or her credit contract changed. 
Debt is one of the most exacerbating causes of extreme poverty and family hardship in New Zealand today. I commend the Government for taking action to strengthen protections for consumers in these areas. I hope that as the bill is put into practice it will achieve its avowed goals of bringing to an end the most unfair oppressive and exploitative practices of some parts of the credit industry.
Cunliffe David: Third Readings 
Cunliffe David: Third Readings 
[Volume:617;Page:12937] 
Hon DAVID CUNLIFFE (Minister of State) 
: 
 I am pleased to rise to support the judicial matters legislation. Before that member scurries out of the Chamber she may like to listen to the riposte to the absurd and untoward accusations she made about the Attorney-General in that shameful speech. 
That member simply cannot have it both ways. She cannot on the one hand accuse the nation’s most senior lawyer of meddling in the judiciaryand then on the other hand grizzle when a transparent and proper process is set up to deal with matters of conduct. Where is the integrity in doing that? Moreover the member in making those baseless comments has seen fit to descend from the level of principle to the level of an individual case by referring to the recent instance of a judge who resigned and was then reappointed as a Master of the High Court—a case that all members would agree was most controversial. The member has drawn personalities into the debate and I think that that is regrettable. Let me say that if this legislation had been in force at the time there would have been no need for the Attorney-General to have to respond to the recommendations of the Chief Justice who had to make those recommendations in the absence of a transparent process like this. 
Stephen Franks 
: Nonsense! 
Hon DAVID CUNLIFFE 
: Indeed I wish that member would refresh his practising certificate and do something useful with his life. Actually I probably did the member a wrong. He has probably been doing some practising on the side. 
The judicial matters legislation is a necessity in light of recent controversy to preserve and promote the integrity and public standing of the judiciary. Which member of this House could possibly object to that aim? Or is the member who resumed her seat previously—of whom I add one could ask whether she had done the House the courtesy of listening to the response and I invite her to take the next call— 
Dail Jones 
: She can’t have two calls. 
Hon DAVID CUNLIFFE 
: —after Mr Jones who I believe has a contribution to make. I invite her to take the next call after that if she is prepared to rebut the claim that this legislation actually strengthens due process. She will not because she cannot. This legislation is essential in order to promote the good management and the good standing of New Zealand's fine judiciary and I urge its speedy passage through the House.
Wilson Margaret: Supreme Court Bill — In Committee 
Wilson Margaret: Supreme Court Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:612;Page:9063] 
Hon MARGARET WILSON (Attorney-General) 
: 
 I talk to the schedules and small amendments as set out in the Supplementary Order Paper. I first thank the staff at the Parliamentary Counsel Office and those who assisted them and the officials in the Ministry of Justice and Crown Law who have gone through—as has been mentioned by the member preceding me—the many pieces of legislation that require me to make reference to the Supreme Court to ensure that the jurisdictions are there. I think it highlights the point that has been made that many of the measures mentioned in this schedule will now enable people to have the right of a second appeal which they do not have at the moment. That is a point that I think is emphasised by the detail that this schedule goes into.
Urgent Debates Declined — Student Allowances—Numbers Receiving Allowance 
Urgent Debates Declined — Student Allowances—Numbers Receiving Allowance 
[Volume:625;Page:20162] 
Urgent Debates Declined 
Student Allowances—Numbers Receiving Allowance 
Madam SPEAKER 
: I have received a letter from Nandor Tanczos requesting a debate under Standing Order 373. The member cites three releases of information as contributing to a need for an urgent debate relating to the number of people receiving student allowances. The accumulation of information in regard to an issue is not itself a particular case of recent occurrence. I refer the member to Speakers’ rulings 152/6. The application is therefore declined.
Voting — Correction 
Voting — Correction 
[Volume:623;Page:18907] 
Voting 
Correction 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Before I call on private and local orders of the day Nos 1 and 2 I wish to inform the House that yesterday when the House was considering the motion referring the Hazardous Substances and New Organisms (Approvals and Enforcement) Amendment Bill to a select committee the result of the vote on the Hon Dr Nick Smith’s amendment to the motion was incorrectly announced. The correct result is Ayes 45 Noes 74.
Hartley Ann: Customs and Excise (Alcoholic Beverages) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
Hartley Ann: Customs and Excise (Alcoholic Beverages) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:608;Page:5404] 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: I remind members that during votes there will be silence. 
The first amendment in the name of the Hon Richard Prebble to clause 1(1) to add the words “Stealth Taxes” is ruled out of order as it is not a serious description of the bill. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Richard Prebble to clause 1(1) be agreed to: 
to insert after the word “Beverages” the words “and Ice Cream”.
Vote: Mercenary Activities (Prohibition) Bill — In Committee Third Reading 
Vote: Mercenary Activities (Prohibition) Bill — In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:618;Page:14251] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 70 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 48 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8. 
Motion agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Dr Wayne Mapp to clause 5 be agreed to: 
to add to subclause (2) the following paragraph: 
(c)within the meaning of subsection (1)(a) if he or she is employed directly within the armed forces of a party to the armed conflict whether or not they are paid more than any other persons of similar rank or specialty.
Ngati Ruanui Claims Settlement Bill — Procedure 
Ngati Ruanui Claims Settlement Bill — Procedure 
[Volume:607;Page:4933] 
Ngati Ruanui Claims Settlement Bill 
Procedure 
LINDSAY TISCH (Junior Whip—NZ National) 
: 
 I seek leave that the debate on the Committee stage of this bill be taken as one wide-ranging debate over all parts. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Is there any objection to that course being followed? There is not. It will so occur.
Vote: Resource Management (Waitaki Catchment) Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
Vote: Resource Management (Waitaki Catchment) Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
[Volume:620;Page:15561] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Resource Management (Waitaki Catchment) Amendment Bill be now read a third time. 
Ayes 74 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand First 12; United Future 8; Progressive 2; Maori Party 1. 
Noes 44 
New Zealand National 27; Green Party 9; ACT New Zealand 7; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Bill read a third time.
Cullen Michael: Urgency 
Cullen Michael: Urgency 
[Volume:621;Page:16929] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I move  
That urgency be accorded the passing through its remaining stages of the Foreshore and Seabed Bill.  
This is so that the bill can be passed before the House rises for a 1-week adjournment and to give legal certainty around the framework on the matter.
Cullen Michael: Films Videos and Publications Classification Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee 
Cullen Michael: Films Videos and Publications Classification Amendment Bill — Instruction to Committee 
[Volume:623;Page:18594] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I move  
That it be an instruction to the Committee of the whole House on the Films Videos and Publications Classification Amendment Bill that it take the bill part by part 
. 
Motion agreed to.
Robertson H V Ross: Maritime Security Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
Robertson H V Ross: Maritime Security Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:616;Page:12209] 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I will just respond to the Minister by saying that Mr Brown himself is able to seek leave for that and I understand he will do so. The question now is that Part 1 stand part but before I put that question there are a number of amendments to be voted on. The first one is to clause 5 and it is to do with the definition of “security officer”. I think that is Mr Brown’s amendment that we have to leave at the moment but we can move on to the next one to clause 5. It is the honourable Peter Brown’s amendment to insert a definition of “contracting Government”. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Peter Brown to clause 5 be agreed to: 
to insert in its appropriate place the following definition: 
Contracting Government  
means a Government that is a party to the International Convention for the Safety of Life at Sea 1974.
Vote: Railways Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
Vote: Railways Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:625;Page:19908] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 111 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2; Maori Party 1. 
Noes 7 
ACT New Zealand 7. 
Amendments agreed to and Part 1 as amended agreed to.
Cullen Michael: Taxation (Disaster Relief) Bill — Procedure First Reading Second Reading Third Reading 
Cullen Michael: Taxation (Disaster Relief) Bill — Procedure First Reading Second Reading Third Reading 
[Volume:616;Page:11671] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Minister of Revenue) 
: 
 I move  
That the Taxation (Disaster Relief) Bill be now read a first time 
. 
Bill read a first time.
Vote: Sale of Liquor Amendment Bill (No 2) — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
Vote: Sale of Liquor Amendment Bill (No 2) — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:616;Page:12348] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Sale of Liquor Amendment Bill (No 2) be now read a second time. 
Ayes 105 
New Zealand Labour 52; New Zealand National 21; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 13 
New Zealand National 5; ACT New Zealand 7; Independent: Awatere Huata.
Field Taito Phillip: Hazardous Substances and New Organisms (Stockholm Convention) Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
Field Taito Phillip: Hazardous Substances and New Organisms (Stockholm Convention) Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
[Volume:609;Page:6939] 
Hon TAITO PHILLIP FIELD (Minister of State) 
: I am happy to stand and support this legislation. I think it is very important legislation to give protection from the persistent organic pollutants that are a risk to our environment and the health of our people. I am happy to support the legislation.
Laban Luamanuvao Winnie: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Laban Luamanuvao Winnie: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:613;Page:10227] 
4.  
LUAMANUVAO WINNIE LABAN (Labour—Mana) 
 to the  
Minister of Housing 
: What community renewal programmes are being undertaken to revitalise State housing - rich neighbourhoods? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY (Minister of Housing) 
: 
 The $4.9 million State-housing redevelopment programme in eastern Porirua gets under way this afternoon. New housing will be built to replace 14 older three-bedroom units and a further 10 three-bedroom units will be redesigned and refurbished. An important feature of the eastern Porirua community renewal project is that construction contractors have agreed to employ local apprentices through the Porirua Apprenticeship Trust to do that work. 
Luamanuvao Winnie Laban 
: What other State-housing modernisation and improvement projects are being undertaken? 
Hon Steve Maharey 
: Community renewal projects are under way in Rotorua Aranui Clendon eastern Porirua Talbot Park and Northcote with $18.2 million in spending scheduled this financial year. In addition the Housing New Zealand Corporation intends investing $18.8 million in modernising State houses $16.9 million in healthy-housing initiatives and $4 million in completing energy-efficient retrofits of 2500 State houses and providing 3200 additional State houses over the next 4 years—a very substantial investment in housing. 
Hon David Carter 
: Does the Minister agree with the chair of Housing New Zealand Corporation Roger Bonifant who has stated that the Mongrel Mob was just as entitled to a State house as any Rotarian; if so how will that assist the revitalisation of State housing - rich neighbourhoods? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY 
: The misquote that has been applied to Roger Bonifant actually was misquoted from me so I can say to the member that the point that was being made is that there are criteria for social housing. The background of people is not something we take into account as long as they fit the criteria. But can I say that in my own city where we had difficulties with the Mongrel Mob we evicted them. 
Rt Hon Winston Peters 
: How does he think such a building programme is going to help the ordinary New Zealander when he and his Government are bringing into this country 72500 per year from abroad of which over 40000 are going to Auckland—a matter that the Minister of Immigration finds a comedy and is the reason why she takes Valium most of the time? 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY 
: The programme of course will help New Zealanders. We are already helping 63000 households throughout the country. I can mention that in the last financial year the corporation housed—get this—144 refugee households which equates to 1.5 percent of those housed last year— 
Rt Hon Winston Peters 
: Immigration I said. 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY 
: —and if the member wants to argue about immigration he needs to remember that one of the reasons we are booming as an economy at the present time is an intelligent focused and well-managed immigration policy.
Gallagher Martin: Land Transport (Unauthorised Street and Drag Racing) Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
Gallagher Martin: Land Transport (Unauthorised Street and Drag Racing) Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
[Volume:607;Page:4604] 
MARTIN GALLAGHER (NZ Labour—Hamilton West) 
: 
 As the chair of the Law and Order Committee I will not take long to if one likes finish the job. I pay tribute to Marc Alexander and Georgina Beyer as the deputies and to all the other members of the select committee. Brian Connell has made a very good contribution to this debate as have other members. I think we worked well together. Nandor Tanczos made some implications about our sincerity. I do not for one moment question his sincerity. I believe that he has been consistent on this bill and I respect that. The committee was very sincere in wanting to get a solution to what is a very very serious community problem. However what I do question—I am stunned and shocked and still cannot quite believe it—is the absolute double back-flip somersault forward-flip of the zero-tolerance ACT party which now opposes giving the police more power. I say that yes we do want to give the police more power. We want to give the police more power to make our roads and our communities safer. 
Finally I acknowledge former mayor Russ Rimmington from my community for his leadership. It was good to see that he was recently given a Queen’s honour. He led this issue in Hamilton. I also acknowledge the motel owners and the other members of the community who came to me. I also pay tribute to Clayton Cosgrove who did great work on this bill. Sir Barry Curtis gave an impressive submission to the select committee. I only wish that Stephen Franks and the other ACT members had been there to hear that submission. Give the police more powers? You bet if it is going to make the community safer!
O'Connor Damien: New Zealand Horticulture Export Authority Amendment Bill (No 2) — Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
O'Connor Damien: New Zealand Horticulture Export Authority Amendment Bill (No 2) — Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:612;Page:9616] 
Hon DAMIEN O'CONNOR (Associate Minister of Agriculture) 
: 
 I am happy to take a call and answer a couple of the issues raised by the chairman of the Primary Production Committee. Firstly I turn to the growers who potentially were objectors to the bill. We understood that there may have been some objectors to the bill but in the end the fact that there were no substantive submissions opposing the bill leads us to suggest that there is a maturity in the kiwifruit industry that understands that collaborative marketing is beneficial to each and every one of the growers while there is an ability for them to expand the opportunities through entrepreneurial work which the growers can undertake themselves. 
The second point relates to trade restrictions. We understand that there are always difficult trade restrictions facing New Zealand exporters. This bill is an attempt to work through those things in a very measured way—in a way that does not upset any of our trading partners. They have an assurance about the quality of the exports they are getting. 
With regard to the US we are very very good friends with the US. We are also very grateful for the efforts of the US administration in assisting us to get exports into their market—unlike the comments made by some politicians that we have had in recent days. 
Finally I understand that quantitative export restrictions were a key part of the discussions at the select committee. The officials identified them as being potentially at odds with our position on free trade so they through this bill advised us that we should remove any ability to have quantitative restrictions. Effectively that will mean that those exporters who work in collaboration through the Horticulture Export Authority do not necessarily have to limit the amount of fruit they put into a market. 
However there was an understanding and a discussion at the select committee that the strategy should incorporate market development. It is important not only for the growers but also for the wholesalers and the retailers in the markets that they have a consistent supply and a consistent quality of fruit. The inclusion of market development as a key consideration of any strategy is a positive step forward. It offsets some of the concerns of some exporters that removing quantitative restrictions would have led to a free-for-all and perhaps to the dumping of large volumes of product into a market at an inappropriate time. I am sure that importers of our products will appreciate this and it is for the benefit of the kiwifruit exporting industry as a whole. 
Clauses 1 to 11 agreed to. 
Bill reported without amendment.
Hereora Dave: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Hereora Dave: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
[Volume:620;Page:16097] 
12.  
DAVE HEREORA (Labour) 
 to the  
Minister of Customs 
: What is the Government doing to address congestion in the arrival halls at Auckland and Christchurch International Airports? 
Hon RICK BARKER (Minister of Customs) 
: 
 The Government will spend $5.75 million this financial year on extra border staff and equipment to relieve congestion at Auckland and Christchurch airports. Tourism is a success story in this country. My colleague Mark Burton reports a 12 percent increase in the number of people arriving and departing over the previous year. That growth requires infrastructure that can process international visitors in a more timely fashion while still undertaking the checks and clearances essential to protecting New Zealand’s borders. 
Dave Hereora 
: Where and on what will this extra $5.75 million be spent? 
Hon RICK BARKER 
: The Government will spend $5.75 million this financial year increasing to $7.7 million in out-years. There will be 96 more customs officers at Auckland airport to ensure that the 50 arrival and departure booths are fully staffed at peak times. Two new MAF Quarantine Service X-ray machines and 70 new staff will be engaged at Auckland International Airport. At Christchurch there will be nine extra Customs Service staff as well as five new MAF Quarantine Service officers and new X-ray machines. Those developments are a good example of Government and business working together. Both the Auckland and Christchurch airport companies are expanding their space and increasing the number of staff to fill it. 
Brent Catchpole 
: Will the Minister give the House a cast-iron guarantee that by processing people faster there will not be any slippages and that at the same time security will be tightened to ensure that undesirables will not fool the system and gain entry to our borders thereby creating safety threats to all New Zealanders? 
Hon RICK BARKER 
: I can assure the member that the increase in numbers will not be at the expense of checking passengers who are a threat to our borders. The main reason the number of staff is being increased is to ensure that the processing times come down but that we continue to have the same level of security and safety checks at our border. 
Peter Brown 
: Noting that answer to my colleague will the Minister advise the House how widespread the problem is: how many undesirables come in during any given time period? 
Hon RICK BARKER 
: I cannot tell the member what I do not know and I do not know precisely how many undesirables come in. But I can tell the member that we have a record number of arrests at the border for the importation of for example drugs and a record number of seizures of consignments of goods that are contrary to the copyright laws. In the last financial year the Customs Service outperformed nearly all its criteria.
Vote: Building Bill — Second Reading 
Vote: Building Bill — Second Reading 
[Volume:619;Page:14548] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Building Bill be now read a second time. 
Ayes 83 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 36 
New Zealand National 27; ACT New Zealand 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Bill read a second time.
Vote: Customs and Excise (Alcoholic Beverages) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
Vote: Customs and Excise (Alcoholic Beverages) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:608;Page:5404] 
A party vote was called for on the question That t 
he amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 46 
Noes 68 
Amendment not agreed to. 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 6. 
Labour 52; Green Party 7; United Future 7; Progressive 2.
Copeland Gordon: Taxation (Annual Rates Maori Organisations Taxpayer Compliance and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Copeland Gordon: Taxation (Annual Rates Maori Organisations Taxpayer Compliance and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:606;Page:4107] 
GORDON COPELAND (United Future) 
: 
 I would like to respond just briefly to the frequent challenge that the Hon Lockwood Smith has made to the Minister in the chair Mr Swain and also I think in an earlier speech to United Future. He said he will apologise if we can name under clause 68 one person who is not Maori who will receive a tax rate of 19.5c in the dollar. I would like to ask whether the member is confident that no one of Chinese ancestry— 
Progress reported.
Maharey Steve: Television New Zealand Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Maharey Steve: Television New Zealand Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:606;Page:3723] 
Hon STEVE MAHAREY (Minister of Broadcasting) 
: 
 I move  
That it be an instruction to the Committee of the whole House on the Television New Zealand Bill that it take the bill part by part and consider any schedules as one question. 
Motion agreed to.
Hunt Jonathan: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members Questions to Ministers 
Hunt Jonathan: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:615;Page:11504] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Absolutely! I have not seen the document and if I have any further business in this I will most certainly read it very very carefully. It has been handed only to the Clerk; it has not been handed to me.
Benson-Pope David: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Procedure Referral to Health Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled  Speaker Recalled In Committee Procedure 
Benson-Pope David: Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill — Procedure Referral to Health Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled  Speaker Recalled In Committee Procedure 
[Volume:613;Page:9968] 
DAVID BENSON-POPE (Senior Whip—Labour) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Sowry Roger: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Sowry Roger: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:615;Page:11378] 
9.  
Hon ROGER SOWRY (National) 
 to the  
Minister for Small Business 
: Who was he referring to when he was talking about the “big end of town” in a recent speech and does he stand by his statement that he is “getting a bit tired of hearing their knee-jerk responses and a tendency to view everything by way of victimhood with the Government to blame”? 
Hon JOHN TAMIHERE (Minister for Small Business) 
: 
 Business New Zealand the Business Roundtable and yes. 
Hon Roger Sowry 
: Does he realise that Business New Zealand represents 76000 businesses in New Zealand from the very smallest size and right across 54 industry groups; and therefore should he not be willing to accept its right to speak on behalf of small business rather than to have him label it as a whinger? 
Hon JOHN TAMIHERE 
: Firstly I have never labelled it as a whinger. Secondly it is one thing to lobby Governments; it is another thing to become a political appendage to the National Party. 
Darren Hughes 
: What feedback has he received from actual small businesses and what are some of the steps this Government is taking to ensure that small businesses continue to prosper? 
Hon JOHN TAMIHERE 
: I have received heaps of positive feedback from people who hands-on have grown their small businesses. For example Jane Stanton from the Seriously Good Chocolate Company was enthusiastic and described the event as much needed and positive. She also said that the work already done to simplify tax and address compliance costs was helpful. 
Mike Ward 
: What are the hard-working small business people the Minister referred to in his speech telling him about the negative impacts of the “big box” stores on businesses in their communities and what steps is he taking to support them against the unfair competition from “big box” stores that locate on town fringes where they enjoy lower rates and lower rents and undermine the town centres? 
Mr SPEAKER 
: That is very wide but the Minister may comment very briefly. 
Hon JOHN TAMIHERE 
: We are grateful for all forms of advice. 
Hon Roger Sowry 
: Has small business expressed any support for the proposed changes to the industrial relations law that Labour is currently trying to enact; if so for which parts of it? 
Hon JOHN TAMIHERE 
: A huge number of submissions have been made to the relevant specialist select committee in that regard and I am awaiting the outcome of its considerations. 
Hon Roger Sowry 
: Has the Minister received any support for the proposed changes to the industrial relations law that this Government is proposing; if so which part of the law do small businesses support? 
Hon JOHN TAMIHERE 
: No.
Cullen Michael: Business of the House 
Cullen Michael: Business of the House 
[Volume:606;Page:4059] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 Next week the House will go into a 1-week adjournment. When the House resumes on Tuesday 18 March the business for that week will include the Appropriation (2001/02 Financial Review) Bill debate which is a 4-hour debate and progress on the Taxation (Annual Rates Maori Organisations Taxpayer Compliance and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill the Government Communications Security Bureau Bill and the War Pensions Amendment Bill (No 2).
Hunt Jonathan: Points of Order — Law Commission Reports—Availability 
Hunt Jonathan: Points of Order — Law Commission Reports—Availability 
[Volume:616;Page:11702] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: If that was the case then people got it from the Law Commission. It was tabled yesterday and it is available in the Bills Office.
Brown Peter: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Brown Peter: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:625;Page:20230] 
PETER BROWN (NZ First) 
: 
 My question is set down for the Minister for ACC. I do not notice her in the House so I seek leave to defer this question until she is here. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to defer the question. Is there any objection? There is.
Hunt Jonathan: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume 
Hunt Jonathan: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
[Sitting date: 15 October 2003. Volume:612;Page:9183. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: This question is deferred automatically because Dr the Hon Lockwood Smith has leave from the House today and it will be asked tomorrow.
Hawkins George: Television New Zealand Bill — In Committee 
Hawkins George: Television New Zealand Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:606;Page:3828] 
Hon GEORGE HAWKINS (Minister of Police) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Cunliffe David: Aquaculture Reform Bill — In Committee 
Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume 
Cunliffe David: Aquaculture Reform Bill — In Committee 
[Sitting date: 14 December 2004. Volume:622;Page:17750. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon DAVID CUNLIFFE (Minister of State) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Vote: Customs and Excise (Alcoholic Beverages) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
Vote: Customs and Excise (Alcoholic Beverages) Amendment Bill — First Reading Second Reading Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:608;Page:5420] 
A party vote was called for on the question That 
the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 46 
Noes 66 
Amendment not agreed to. 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 6. 
Labour 52; Green Party 5; United Future 7; Progressive 2. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Ken Shirley to clause 2(2) be agreed to: 
to omit the words “the day on which it receives the Royal assent” and substitute the words “on 1 April 2006”.
Parker David: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Parker David: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:618;Page:14305] 
8.  
DAVID PARKER (Labour—Otago) 
 to the  
Minister of Conservation 
: Has he received any reports on the current management of the former Timberlands forests that are now protected as conservation land? 
Hon CHRIS CARTER (Minister of Conservation) 
: 
 Yes. My department has reported to me that under Department of Conservation management the level of pest control in those forests has increased at least fivefold. Three important cave sites in the Charleston Forest have been ranked as internationally significant threatened species are being actively protected at several sites weed surveys have been undertaken and public recreational use of the forest is growing. 
David Parker 
: Has the Minister seen any reports on proposals for the future management of those protected rainforests? 
Hon CHRIS CARTER 
: Yes. I have seen a report that Dr Don Brash would like to see those forests and other conservation areas on the West Coast available for logging. He wants to take New Zealand back to the turmoil of the 1990s when chainsaws were ripping into our unique publicly owned rainforests and the country was in an uproar.
Vote: Public Finance (State Sector Management) Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume 
Vote: Public Finance (State Sector Management) Bill — Second Reading Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Sitting date: 14 December 2004. Volume:622;Page:17872. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 9 
Green Party 9. 
Noes 110 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 9; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Rod Donald to clause 17 be agreed to: 
to insert in new section 45B(2)(a) after the word “position” the words “including contingent liabilities”.
Vote: New Zealand Trade and Enterprise Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Vote: New Zealand Trade and Enterprise Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:609;Page:6303] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 9 
Green Party 9. 
Noes 110 
Labour 52; New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Tony Ryall to clause 9 be agreed to: 
to omit subclause (1)(c)(i).
Samuels Dover: New Organisms and Other Matters Bill — First Reading 
Samuels Dover: New Organisms and Other Matters Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:608;Page:5349] 
Hon DOVER SAMUELS (Minister of State) 
: 
 I rise to support the bill. It forms part of the Government’s response to the report of the royal commission. I say to the Minister in charge of this bill that it is a job well done. I recommend that it be passed by the House.
Vote: Holidays Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Vote: Holidays Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:614;Page:10544] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 9 
Green Party 9. 
Noes 107 
New Zealand Labour 52; New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 6; United Future 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Amendment not agreed to.
Vote: Crimes Amendment Bill (No 6) — In Committee Third Reading 
Vote: Crimes Amendment Bill (No 6) — In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:609;Page:7089] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 8 
Green Party 8. 
Noes 107 
Labour 52; New Zealand National 26; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; United Party 8. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Keith Locke to clause 21M be agreed to: 
to amend subclause (2) by omitting from new section 312Q(k)(iv) the word “and” and inserting the following new subparagraph: 
(v)the average duration of interceptions carried out under these powers; and
Duncan Helen: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Duncan Helen: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:609;Page:6680] 
3.  
HELEN DUNCAN (NZ Labour) 
 to the  
Minister of Transport 
: What response has he received to Transfund’s and Transit’s transport announcement yesterday? 
Hon PAUL SWAIN (Minister of Transport) 
: 
 I have received a number of responses and too many to comment on. But the Timaru Mayor Wynne Raymond said he was delighted and encouraged that the safety concerns at Normanby had been addressed and the Marlborough Mayor Tom Harrison is elated that the Awatere bridge is going ahead. 
Helen Duncan 
: What are the key differences between Transit’s draft State highway plan and the final version? 
Hon PAUL SWAIN 
: The difference is primarily redressing the balance between making sure that the priorities of congestion are dealt with in the Auckland region as well as regional priorities through the rest of the country. Transit has done a very good job in addressing this balance. 
Hon Roger Sowry 
: Will Auckland receive a separate funding package as requested by the Auckland Mayoral Forum simply because yesterday’s announcement was not enough; if so how will the Government impose the extra tax given United Future’s opposition to it? 
Hon PAUL SWAIN 
: The Government is working on a package for Auckland and issues around funding are currently under consideration. 
Mike Ward 
: Has the Minister seen the comments made by the Cycling Advocates Network expressing concern about walking and cycling funding apparently being fixed at $3 million and what is his response to that concern? 
Hon PAUL SWAIN 
: I have seen a lot of comments from people saying that they need more money. 
Peter Brown 
: Does the Minister stand by the Government statement that New Zealand will have an affordable integrated safe responsive sustainable transport system by 2010 and if he does stand by that will the $8.6 billion allocated be sufficient; if not what is the estimate for the shortfall? 
Hon PAUL SWAIN 
: Yes I do stand by that statement. The Government is currently working on a range of issues to address what has clearly been a transport deficit that was inherited from the previous National Government. 
Rt Hon Winston Peters 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. Can we have an answer to Mr Brown’s question which was: what was the shortfall? 
Mr SPEAKER 
: No Mr Brown did not ask just that. He had two parts to his question and the honourable Minister addressed that question perfectly satisfactorily. 
Rt Hon Winston Peters 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. If that is the case and it was a pretty serious question addressing a 10-year period Mr Brown gave the figure and asked whether there was a shortfall and what it was. Is it too much to ask the Minister to tell us what that is? 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Perhaps the Minister might care to make another brief comment. 
Hon PAUL SWAIN 
: Well there is debate about this. For example the Auckland region says that $2.4 billion is the shortfall there. We are currently working through these figures.
Barker Rick: Fisheries Amendment Bill (No 2) — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
Barker Rick: Fisheries Amendment Bill (No 2) — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Volume:616;Page:11698] 
Hon RICK BARKER (Minister for Courts) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Peck Mark: Debate on Crown Entities Public Organisations and State Enterprises — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Peck Mark: Debate on Crown Entities Public Organisations and State Enterprises — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:617;Page:13245] 
MARK PECK (Labour—Invercargill) 
: 
 At the commencement of this debate two votes had not been reported back to the Committee one of them being that for Industry New Zealand. The point made by the Hon Bill English was that that is the most important work that has to be done by the Committee. I have taken the opportunity to go back to my room and check my notes from the Commerce Committee meeting on Thursday last week when the committee was to consider and deliberate on the Industry New Zealand report to Parliament. The National Party member requested that we did not deliberate in order that Mr Phil Heatley the person who spoke on those particular estimates had an opportunity— 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: I need to interrupt the member. I believe that that is confidential information. 
MARK PECK 
: Oh no that is not confidential information. That was the proceedings of the committee. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: I am taking advice from the Clerk. The proceedings in a select committee other than the hearing of evidence are confidential until they have been reported back. So I cannot allow the member to go on with that point of order.