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Boscawen John: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Boscawen John: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
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2. 
Hon JOHN BOSCAWEN (Leader—ACT) 
 to the  
Minister of Finance 
: Does he stand by his statement that “this Government is resolved to running responsible fiscal policy and building an internationally competitive economy”? 
Hon BILL ENGLISH (Minister of Finance) 
: 
 Yes. 
Hon John Boscawen 
: How does he reconcile his stated intention to run responsible fiscal policy and build an internationally competitive economy with the comments of the New Zealand Institute of Economic Research chief executive that New Zealand has a “rotting fiscal core” and that unless New Zealand changes its fiscal strategy it will have to “borrow and push public debt levels to that of the US or Greece.”? 
Hon BILL ENGLISH 
: Well I think the chief executive of the New Zealand Institute of Economic Research would agree that the Government has in the last 3 years substantially changed its fiscal strategy. We inherited never-ending deficits and never-ending rising debt and the decisions we have made in the last couple of years have reduced future debt burdens by numbers like $50 billion to $60 billion compared with the previous Government’s policy. I think the New Zealand Institute of Economic Research is referring to some longer-term issues around demographic change and health care costs and we share the chief executive’s concern but we think we are making considered and consistent decisions that will help deal with those challenges. 
Hon John Boscawen 
: Given that his forecasts of lower debt growth are based on GDP growth of 4 percent in 2013 and 3 percent in 2014 at a time of massive global uncertainty and when the world faces a double-dip recession how can New Zealanders have confidence in his lower-debt projections? 
Hon BILL ENGLISH 
: The forecast could be more or less than what was in the Budget. Just a few weeks ago most people were saying they could be more; maybe by this week they are saying they could be less. The Government is not chasing round every international event and altering its forecast; it is focusing on delivering the expenditure constraint that is so important to getting our deficit down and getting our international debt to stop rising. We are reasonably confident though in the growth forecasts because they are driven by reasonably good demand for our export products and the impact of the Christchurch rebuild. 
Stuart Nash 
: Does Treasury project this country to become more or less indebted to the rest of the world in coming years under his policy settings? 
Hon BILL ENGLISH 
: It is projecting us to become more indebted because the Government will continue to run deficits for the next couple of years. But by 2014-15 New Zealand is likely to be one of the few developed countries that has a surplus so at least Government debt will stop rising at that stage. I am more optimistic than Treasury that our households will be saving and not borrowing.
Child and Family Protection Bill — In Committee 
Child and Family Protection Bill — In Committee 
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Child and Family Protection Bill 
In Committee 
Debate resumed from 14 July. 
Clauses 1 and 2 and Parts 1 to 3 ( 
continued 
)  
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 There has already been considerable debate on the Child and Family Protection Bill at the Committee stage. The Opposition has not found any reason to oppose the bill in the period that it has not been before the Committee. Therefore we are not proposing to spend any more time on it. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 179 in the name of Jacinda Ardern be agreed to. 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 52 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 9; Progressive 1. 
Noes 67 
New Zealand National 57; ACT New Zealand 5; Maori Party 4; United Future 1. 
Amendments not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 178 in the name of Lynne Pillay be agreed to. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 172 in the name of the Hon Simon Power be agreed to. 
Amendments agreed to. 
Clauses 1 and 2 and Parts 1 to 3 as amended agreed to. 
The Committee divided the bill into the Domestic Violence Amendment Bill (No 2) the Care of Children Amendment Bill and the Adoption Amendment Bill pursuant to Supplementary Order Paper171. 
Bill reported with amendment. 
Report adopted.
Beaumont Carol: Points of Order — Moneylenders (Licensing and Regulation) Bill and Credit Reforms (Responsible Lending) Bill—Leave for Introduction and First Reading 
Beaumont Carol: Points of Order — Moneylenders (Licensing and Regulation) Bill and Credit Reforms (Responsible Lending) Bill—Leave for Introduction and First Reading 
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CAROL BEAUMONT (Labour) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I seek leave of the House to introduce the Moneylenders (Licensing and Regulation) Bill and the Credit Reforms (Responsible Lending) Bill and that they be deemed to have been read a first time and be referred to the Commerce Committee forthwith. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought for that course of action. Is there any objection? There is objection.
Bakshi Kanwaljit Singh: Electoral (Administration) Amendment Bill (No 2) — Third Reading 
Bakshi Kanwaljit Singh: Electoral (Administration) Amendment Bill (No 2) — Third Reading 
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KANWALJIT SINGH BAKSHI (National) 
: 
 Sat sri akaal Mr Assistant Speaker. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I am sorry to interrupt the honourable member but the time has come for me to leave the Chair.
Beaumont Carol: Electoral (Administration) Amendment Bill (No 2) — Third Reading 
Beaumont Carol: Electoral (Administration) Amendment Bill (No 2) — Third Reading 
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CAROL BEAUMONT (Labour) 
: 
 It is a pleasure to rise and speak in support of the third reading of the Electoral (Administration) Amendment Bill (No 2). As the previous speaker Paul Quinn said I am a member of the Justice and Electoral Committee that this bill emerged from. 
I listened closely to what the chair of our select committee Chester Borrows said. Interestingly enough I probably could give exactly the same speech word for word because this is not a controversial bill. We all support it. One might argue that if it is not controversial maybe there is nothing significant in here but that could not be further from the truth. The reality is that this legislation is about improving and strengthening our electoral system and it has done that by establishing the Electoral Commission and bringing together a number of agencies into one format to streamline and strengthen our electoral system. As others have said this is of fundamental importance. Across the House something we can agree on is that we want to have an effective democracy that we are a stronger country for having an effective democracy and that our electoral processes are robust transparent and corruption-free—or generally speaking they are—and compared with many countries around the world that is certainly the case. So anything that improves our electoral system should be something that members from all parts of the House agree on—as is the case with this legislation. 
I do not want to go into detail on the bill but I will make just a couple of points given the proximity of this debate to our election on 26 November. We have a responsibility as members of Parliament to ensure that our enrolment processes are something we actively support and in which we ourselves are actively out there participating. We should be ensuring that New Zealanders are on the electoral roll—as they are required to be but are too often not—so that they can have their say in the election and so that that say is counted. Although it is true that we have achieved an enrolment rate of about 95 percent under our current system it is often I think an overstatement. People who are doorknocking and talking to people will see that often many people are enrolled at a house but no longer live there. Of course our continuous enrolment system means that often they do not come off the electoral roll for that address unless the agency is directly notified. 
Just to conclude I say as others have that we support this bill wholeheartedly and look forward to the further development of our online processes of enrolment. Thank you.
Imprest Supply (Second for 2011/12) Bill — Third Reading 
Imprest Supply (Second for 2011/12) Bill — Third Reading 
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Imprest Supply (Second for 2011/12) Bill 
Third Reading 
Hon TONY RYALL (Minister of Health) 
 on behalf of the Minister of Finance: I move  
That the Imprest Supply (Second for 2011/12) Bill be now read a third time 
. 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Imprest Supply (Second for 2011/12) Bill be now read a third time. 
Ayes 67 
New Zealand National 57; ACT New Zealand 5; Maori Party 4; United Future 1. 
Noes 53 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 9; Progressive 1; Independent: Carter C. 
Bill read a third time.
Ryall Tony: Imprest Supply (Second for 2011/12) Bill — Third Reading 
Ryall Tony: Imprest Supply (Second for 2011/12) Bill — Third Reading 
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Hon TONY RYALL (Minister of Health) 
 on behalf of the Minister of Finance: I move  
That the Imprest Supply (Second for 2011/12) Bill be now read a third time 
.
Quinn Paul: Electoral (Administration) Amendment Bill (No 2) — Third Reading 
Quinn Paul: Electoral (Administration) Amendment Bill (No 2) — Third Reading 
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PAUL QUINN (National) 
: 
 Tena koe Mr Speaker. Tena koe. I will start my contribution to this debate on the Electoral (Administration) Amendment Bill (No 2) by reminding us of what a third reading presentation to the House entails. Speaker’s ruling 116/7— 
Hon Trevor Mallard 
: Oh no pockets. 
PAUL QUINN 
: That member had better speak to his leader; I am following him. Speaker’s ruling 116/7 states: “Members must confine themselves to the general principles of the bill as it emerged from the committee.” Speaker’s ruling 117/1 states: “the third reading debate should be in the nature of a summing up.” 
I wanted to refer to those Speakers’ rulings because in our process when the bill came to the Justice and Electoral Committee we had the Hon David Parker Lynne Pillay and Jacinda Ardern contributing to the discussion on the bill. When the bill left our select committee our presence was graced on the Labour side by Charles Chauvel Carol Beaumont and Carmel Sepuloni. The National members were ably chaired by that outstanding member for Wanganui Chester Borrows. The other members were “steady as you go” providing a steady performance. So as has already been alluded to this bill has received wide support. 
But there is one aspect I particularly want to speak on and place on the record. During the select committee process we provided the avenue for the Tuhono Trust to receive information from the Electoral Commission and to pass on names to Maori organisations and iwi organisations. This is an excellent service because it enables runanga and other iwi groups to make contact with their members and it enables individuals to connect with their trust boards. In terms of the service it will provide it will be able to supply iwi and other Maori organisations with this electoral information and affiliations so that they can be assisted in connecting back to their whanau hapu and iwi. 
That aside the bill of course falls into line with this Government’s criterion of improved efficiency in providing Government services and it does that by bringing together a number of organisations that are providing similar services under the one umbrella. It has been a hallmark of the sorts of efficiencies that this Government has driven in providing front-line services to the people and reducing back-office expenses. So it gives me great pleasure to be able to join with all sides of the House in supporting this third reading of the bill.
Imprest Supply (Second for 2011/12) Bill — First Reading 
Imprest Supply (Second for 2011/12) Bill — First Reading 
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Imprest Supply (Second for 2011/12) Bill 
First Reading 
Hon BILL ENGLISH (Minister of Finance) 
: 
 I move  
That the Imprest Supply (Second for 2011/12) Bill be now read a first time. 
Bill read a first time.
Points of Order — Moneylenders (Licensing and Regulation) Bill and Credit Reforms (Responsible Lending) Bill—Leave for Introduction and First Reading 
Points of Order — Moneylenders (Licensing and Regulation) Bill and Credit Reforms (Responsible Lending) Bill—Leave for Introduction and First Reading 
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Wednesday 10 August 2011 
Mr Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Prayers 
. 
Points of Order 
Moneylenders (Licensing and Regulation) Bill and Credit Reforms (Responsible Lending) Bill—Leave for Introduction and First Reading 
CAROL BEAUMONT (Labour) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I seek leave of the House to introduce the Moneylenders (Licensing and Regulation) Bill and the Credit Reforms (Responsible Lending) Bill and that they be deemed to have been read a first time and be referred to the Commerce Committee forthwith. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought for that course of action. Is there any objection? There is objection.
Dalziel Lianne: Electoral (Administration) Amendment Bill (No 2) — Third Reading 
Dalziel Lianne: Electoral (Administration) Amendment Bill (No 2) — Third Reading 
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Hon LIANNE DALZIEL (Labour—Christchurch East) 
: 
 I will take a brief call for a couple of purposes. First of all I reiterate the support members on this side of the House have for the Electoral (Administration) Amendment Bill (No 2). It is important that we get right the administrative arrangements around our electoral system and the fact that we have been consulted in a very open way by the Minister of Justice is greatly appreciated on this side of the House. 
The only thing I asked the Minister to do in the context of the Committee stage was to confirm that the Amalgamated Engineering Printing and Manufacturing Union had supported the addition of Supplementary Order Paper 262 which resolved an issue around adjoining electorates in respect of the appointment of registrars in relation to a particular court case that is still in progress as I understand it. We had that reassurance from the Minister and that was a good thing. 
The other thing I will say is about Cantabrians and their right to enrol and where they enrol for this particular election coming up because it is an issue. There are a number of people who will obviously be moving before the general election occurs and they need to understand where they should enrol so I thought I could use a brief moment in this debate to make it very clear where people are to enrol. The first thing is to define what people understand to be their home. The Registrar of Electors is asking people in Canterbury to consider which of two statements applies to them. The first is: “I am temporarily staying somewhere other than my home—but I hope to move back home one day.” For those who live in the red zone I think that hope will never be realised and therefore if people have moved they have to change their registration. The second—and I think it really confirms it—is: “I am unable to move back to my home and have moved permanently somewhere else.” Basically the advice under that statement says that people need to re-enrol to vote at their new address after they have lived there for a month even if they will be moving to another address in the future. 
I wanted to put that on the record because a lot of people have a lot of confusion about where they are going to vote. Most people are actually totally uninterested in voting this year because they have way too much to be thinking about in terms of their own futures and the election seems to be an irrelevancy compared with all the other things they have to cope with. But I think it is important that people are on the electoral roll on a correct basis and that they can then take the option to exercise not only their democratic right but in my view their civic duty on 26 November. 
I commend the bill to the House.
Vote: Imprest Supply (Second for 2011/12) Bill — Third Reading 
Vote: Imprest Supply (Second for 2011/12) Bill — Third Reading 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Imprest Supply (Second for 2011/12) Bill be now read a third time. 
Ayes 67 
New Zealand National 57; ACT New Zealand 5; Maori Party 4; United Future 1. 
Noes 53 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 9; Progressive 1; Independent: Carter C. 
Bill read a third time.
Mallard Trevor: Child and Family Protection Bill — In Committee 
Mallard Trevor: Child and Family Protection Bill — In Committee 
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Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 There has already been considerable debate on the Child and Family Protection Bill at the Committee stage. The Opposition has not found any reason to oppose the bill in the period that it has not been before the Committee. Therefore we are not proposing to spend any more time on it. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 179 in the name of Jacinda Ardern be agreed to.
Hodgson Pete: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Hodgson Pete: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Hon PETE HODGSON (Labour—Dunedin North) 
: 
 So the member who had resumed her seat came to the Chamber in order to make a contribution not only about the poor quality of the Opposition debate as she saw it but also about this fact that students were not being heard in this debate and they should be heard. She made it with great particularity. It was on the basis of that that I decided to table the voice of students. It is true that the Committee has access to them through this or that type of information technology. There is no doubt about that and I agree with your ruling in that regard. But tell me then why a member of this House who was on the Education and Science Committee came down in order to say that that voice was not being heard. I am very happy to have it heard—very happy. And I am happy to have those documents tabled afresh. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: The member has made his point and I have made my ruling.
Mallard Trevor: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Mallard Trevor: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. You had an interjection from Dr Mapp as you sat down. You ruled on Sandra Goudie and you had another one and you did nothing about it. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I called the member to order. The member will be seated.
Hodgson Pete: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Hodgson Pete: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Hon PETE HODGSON (Labour—Dunedin North) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. As you just pointed out you have been in this House for a while and so have I and we know one another’s proclivities. I leave it to you to decide whether I engage freely in undesirable activity in this House. You can make your judgment on that. I want to make a point to you as follows: the member who has just resumed her seat Louise Upston was on the Education and Science Committee. She came down to the Chamber from her office. She then took a call to say she had been outraged and appalled— 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: A point of order should be short and to the point. 
Hon PETE HODGSON 
: Yes we are getting there. To say that although she was unhappy with the—[ 
Interruption 
] 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I say to members on my right that when a point of order is being taken it is heard in silence.
Mallard Trevor: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Mallard Trevor: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I would like to read to you Speaker’s ruling 142/1 and explain exactly what it does say. It states: “The primary purpose of the procedure for seeking leave to table documents is to inform debate by making available to members documents that otherwise would not be available. It is not desirable for members to seek to table documents that already are available as part of the House’s proceedings such as replies to questions for written answer parliamentary papers select committee reports  
Hansard 
 or the Standing Orders.” That matter is absolutely clear and I agree with the report of the Standing Orders Committee. It was a unanimous report. It is not a desirable practice. But that Speaker’s ruling does not mean that a member cannot seek the leave; it states that it is undesirable. Much as I hesitate to suggest that my colleague the Hon Pete Hodgson is partaking in undesirable activity it is his right to seek leave to table those documents and although there is an indication here Speaker’s ruling 142/1 which you have quoted is not a prohibition.
Hodgson Pete: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Hodgson Pete: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Hon PETE HODGSON (Labour—Dunedin North) 
: 
 In light of the remarks of the member who has just resumed her seat that we have not heard from the voices of students in this debate and that we need to I seek the leave of the House to table the submission by Ben Sapau on the Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: The member has sought leave. Is there any objection to that course of action? There is.
Hodgson Pete: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Hodgson Pete: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Hon PETE HODGSON (Labour—Dunedin North) 
: 
 In light of the remark of the speaker who has just resumed her seat Louise Upston that we need to hear the voice of students in this debate and have not I seek leave to table the submission of Ben Milsom on the Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Is there any objection to that course of action being taken? There is.
Vote: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That clause 8 be agreed to. 
Ayes 63 
New Zealand National 57; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Noes 55 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 9; Maori Party 3; Independent: Carter C. 
Clause 8 agreed to.
Mallard Trevor: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Mallard Trevor: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. It is normal that when a Chairman rules that an amendment is not in the proper form he says why it is not in the proper form. What is the problem with it? 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I will find out. I am advised that the amendment omits words from the Act and you are not able to do that.
Hodgson Pete: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Hodgson Pete: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Hon PETE HODGSON (Labour—Dunedin North) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I am not intending to trifle with either your ruling or your position in any way. There is a member of Parliament on the other side who thinks that I am; I am not. I am just not clear what is going on and I think I am entitled to be clear. After all if we are not clear the mistakes that we might be making will be persisted with. Can I be clear? I will put it as a question and see whether that is helpful. Can I be clear that your ruling is that the amendment you are ruling out of order is being ruled out of order because words that are already currently in legislation that the amendment seeks to remove have been misquoted and therefore are not in the legislation in the first place? Is that the essence of it? 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Yes. 
Hon PETE HODGSON 
: Thank you.
Mallard Trevor: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Mallard Trevor: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. In this case—because I do not think anyone in the Chamber has heard a ruling before that an amendment is not allowed to take words out of an Act—I move that the Speaker be recalled in order to rule on that question. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Before that happens I advise the member that the amendments change the words that are being omitted and you cannot change the quoted words. I am also advised that you cannot change the words “membership fees” to “membership dues”. 
Hon Trevor Mallard 
: Why? 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: It is because “membership dues” is not the text in the Act so it cannot be omitted if it is not there.
Hayes John: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Hayes John: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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JOHN HAYES (National—Wairarapa) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
. 
A party vote was called for on the question that the question be now put. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I caution members that when the votes are being taken they are to be heard in silence. Any movement at all or any speaking at all can be seen as intimidation and can lead to a breach of privilege in the House.
Chadwick Steve: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Chadwick Steve: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Hon STEVE CHADWICK (Junior Whip—Labour) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I could not hear you then; you were addressing National members. Could you repeat what you have been advised? 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: These amendments are all out of order so we are voting now on clause 8. These amendments are out of order so the question now is that clause 8 stand part. 
Hon Members 
: Why? 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Well the first amendments—from the honourable members Sue Moroney and Kris Faafoi—are not in the proper form; the other amendments in the name of the Hon Trevor Mallard are seen as direct negatives.
Vote: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 63 
New Zealand National 57; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Noes 56 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 9; Maori Party 3; Progressive 1; Independent: Carter C. 
Motion agreed to. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: We have a number of amendments to this clause. The first amendments are in the name of the honourable member Sue Moroney and the honourable member Kris Faafoi. Those amendments are ruled out of order as they are not in the proper form. We have some amendments in the name of the Hon Trevor Mallard. Both are direct negatives so the proper course of action is to vote against clause 8.
Robertson H V Ross: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Robertson H V Ross: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I move  
That the report be adopted.
Douglas Roger: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Douglas Roger: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Hon Sir ROGER DOUGLAS (ACT) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Vote: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 9; Maori Party 3; Progressive 1; Independent: Carter C. 
Noes 63 
New Zealand National 57; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Trevor Mallard to clause 6A be agreed to: 
to add the following subclause: 
(3)Section 229D is amended by inserting “except Imperial College of New Zealand” after “private training establishment” in each place where it appears.
Henare Tau: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Henare Tau: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Hon TAU HENARE (National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I am thankful for being allowed to take a point of order which I think is my right to take. I am very very worried about what we have seen in the Committee tonight. Members from the other side have constantly not only challenged the ruling of the Chair but also raised points of order that have been trifling which in itself is disorderly. They bring the Committee into disorder. I think that is a very serious— 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: The member will be seated. I refer the member to Speaker’s ruling 79/1.
Vote: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 9; Maori Party 3; Progressive 1; Independent: Carter C. 
Noes 63 
New Zealand National 57; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: The remaining 71 amendments in the name of the Hon Trevor Mallard are out of order as being substantially the same as the one that has been negatived—to add a subclause after clause 6A(2). That is in Speakers’ ruling 113/7. The amendment in the name of Kris Faafoi about a 50 percent poll is out of order as it is inconsistent with the principles of the bill. The amendment in the name of Kris Faafoi about a chief executive holding a poll is out of order as it is inconsistent with the principles of the bill.
Vote: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That clause 6A be agreed to. 
Ayes 63 
New Zealand National 57; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Noes 56 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 9; Maori Party 3; Progressive 1; Independent: Carter C. 
Clause 6A agreed to.
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Boscawen John: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Hon JOHN BOSCAWEN (Leader—ACT) 
: 
 Thank you Mr Speaker. I move  
That the question be now put 
. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I say to the member that he has put the motion incorrectly. I cannot accept it.
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Ross Jami-Lee: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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JAMI-LEE ROSS (National—Botany) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
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Goodhew Jo: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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JO GOODHEW (Junior Whip—National) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
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Mallard Trevor: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I want to take you back to the absolutely correct point that you made—that is once a call has been given it cannot be taken back. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: That is true. 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: You might have been mistaken in giving the call to Kelvin Davis but you did. Once he started as he did you cannot stop him. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: Well he had not started. That may well have been an error because one has to remember there has been quite a bit of activity to which my attention was somewhat distracted and I apologise to the Committee. But in reality the first person to whom I gave the call was Todd McClay.
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Mallard Trevor: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I move  
That the Speaker be recalled to rule on the Chairperson’s awarding of a call to Todd McClay.
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Barker Rick: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Hon RICK BARKER (Senior Whip—Labour) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I am very reluctant to challenge your recall of matters but as I recall the situation two people stood to take the call and I took a point of order. You gave me the point of order ahead of Mr McClay. When I sat down the next person you called was Kelvin Davis. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: Let me just reflect on this for a moment. I respect the member’s call. 
Hon RICK BARKER 
: Todd McClay and I stood at exactly the same time. I called for a point of order and you gave me the call. You recognised me ahead of Todd McClay because I called a point of order. You did not call Mr McClay. Then when I sat down after you had ruled out my points of order on seeking leave you clearly called Kelvin Davis.
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Barker Rick: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Hon RICK BARKER (Labour) 
: 
 I seek leave to table the submission entitled “The Association of Students at UCOL” which is supplementary submission No. 3. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: Leave is sought for that purpose. Is there anyone opposed to that course of action? There is. Leave is not granted. I make a point of clarification. The nature of the papers that the member seeks to table are they submissions to the select committee? What are they? 
Hon Rick Barker 
: They are. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: They are; they are part of the record of the House. Yes they are. So I am not prepared to accept them as—[ 
Interruption 
] I am on my feet. I am not prepared to accept the tabling of those documents as a process by leave because they are part of the record of the House and they are public documents.
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Vote: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the motion be agreed to. 
Ayes 47 
New Zealand Labour 42; Maori Party 4; Progressive 1. 
Noes 63 
New Zealand National 57; ACT New Zealand 5; United Future 1. 
Abstentions 10 
Green Party 9; Independent: Carter C. 
Motion not agreed to.
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Mallard Trevor: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. My understanding is that the submissions have not been tabled in the House but tabled in the Education and Science Committee. Therefore they have not been tabled in the House and the member is certainly allowed to do that. The Committee has an absolute right of course to decline to receive them but there is no doubt at all that this member has the right to seek leave for any action. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I thank the honourable member for his contribution. I refer him to Speakers’ rulings 142/1 and 142/2. It mentions submissions to select committees where the e-committee system provides for them to be published on the parliamentary website. So it means that they are already available to the House. Therefore the member is unable to table them as they have already become part of the House’s records.
Vote: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the motion be agreed to. 
Ayes 43 
New Zealand Labour 42; Progressive 1. 
Noes 67 
New Zealand National 57; ACT New Zealand 5; Maori Party 4; United Future 1. 
Abstentions 10 
Green Party 9; Independent: Carter C. 
Motion not agreed to. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: I think I gave the call to Kelvin Davis on the last occasion.
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Henare Tau: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Hon TAU HENARE (National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I do believe that you already gave the call to Mr McClay. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: I stand corrected. I apologise to the member and once the call has been given it cannot be rescinded. We progressed and Mr McClay never took the call. But chronologically what I did was to give the call to Mr McClay prior.
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JAMI-LEE ROSS (National—Botany) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
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Tremain Chris: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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CHRIS TREMAIN (Senior Whip—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. Can we be clear about what we are voting on please? 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I am advised that all of the amendments have been ruled out of order so we are now voting on the clause. The question is that clause 8—
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Mallard Trevor: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. The whole idea of an amendment bill is to change an Act. The idea that we cannot submit an amendment that takes further words out of an Act just could not possibly be right. The ruling is an interesting but somewhat farcical one. 
The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I have taken advice on this particular issue.
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Mallard Trevor: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I would like to refer you now to Speaker’s ruling 26/5 which states: “Once the presiding officer has called on a member to speak that member has the floor and cannot have the call taken away. This applies even though the principle of alternation or in committee the obligation to give preference to a member who has spoken less often is overlooked. It makes no difference whether or not the member has begun to speak; the right to speak applies from the moment the presiding officer calls the member.” 
What that makes clear is that even if you have cocked up the order or made a mistake in making a call once that call has been made it is very clear from that Speaker’s ruling that you cannot take it away even though as we have disagreed on Kelvin Davis the member has not spoken. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: I am very familiar with that Speaker’s ruling and it is for that very reason that I believe the call should go to Todd McClay. I will take the call from him.
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Vote: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the motion be agreed to. 
Ayes 57 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 9; Maori Party 4; Progressive 1; Independent: Carter C. 
Noes 62 
New Zealand National 57; ACT New Zealand 5. 
Motion not agreed to. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: I call Allan Peachey.
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Vote: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Speaker be recalled to rule on the Chairperson’s ruling that members were trifling with the Chair. 
Ayes 57 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 9; Maori Party 4; Progressive 1; Independent: Carter C. 
Noes 62 
New Zealand National 57; ACT New Zealand 5. 
Motion not agreed to.
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Smith Lockwood: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Mr SPEAKER 
: In fact I merely pointed out that it was perhaps not the appropriate way to move the motion. I did not actually rule at all. On this occasion I must support the Chair. Although the procedure of the Committee may not have been strictly correct no point of order was raised at the time to deal with that. Subsequently the Committee voted on whether progress should be reported and made its decision on that. The Committee then reported to the House. The Chair moved the motion and the Committee voted on that motion. The Committee made that decision and that is the end of the matter. It is my ruling that the Chair is quite correct to rule out of order the further motion because no further business had been transacted. The Committee and the House have made decisions and that is the end of the matter.
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Mallard Trevor: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 On the question of your calling Grant Robertson I move 
 That the Speaker be recalled to rule on the Chairperson’s awarding of a call to Grant Robertson.
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Vote: Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the motion be agreed to. 
Ayes 57 
New Zealand Labour 42; Green Party 9; Maori Party 4; Progressive 1; Independent: Carter C. 
Noes 62 
New Zealand National 57; ACT New Zealand 5. 
Motion not agreed to. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: I call Sue Moroney.