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Kaye Nikki: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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11. 
NIKKI KAYE (National—Auckland Central) 
 to the  
Minister of Education 
: What is the Government doing to raise educational achievement for Pasifika students? 
Hon HEKIA PARATA (Minister of Education) 
: 
 Tena koe Mr Speaker. Last week I launched the Pasifika Education Plan 2013-2017 which reflected considerable involvement by Pacific communities committed to their children getting a better education and I thank them for that. The plan builds on the increase in Pasifika participation at all levels of education including a 7 percent increase in National Certificate of Educational Achievement (NCEA) level 2 in the past 4 years. Although that is very positive growth we need to treble it in the next 5 years so that 85 percent of Pasifika 18-year-olds are achieving NCEA level 2 by 2017. We plan to do that by continuing to work with parents families aiga with Pacific communities and churches and with schools like Sylvia Park School and those in the Manaiakalani cluster at Pt England School which put every child at the centre of their learning programme. 
Le’aufa’amulia Asenati Lole-Taylor 
: What about Otara Manurewa Otahuhu? 
Hon HEKIA PARATA 
: All schools. My unrelenting focus is on ensuring that communities are empowered with good data around participation at early childhood education primary and secondary. 
Nikki Kaye 
: How ambitious are the Government’s targets? 
Hon HEKIA PARATA 
: Very ambitious. By 2030 a quarter of Auckland’s job entrants will be Pasifika New Zealanders. Successful Pasifika people are making and will make a significant contribution to our economy and society. Education is the key to realising this potential. It is essential that our targets be ambitious. They are that in 2016 85 percent of Pasifika children starting school will have participated in quality early learning and 85 percent are achieving NCEA level 2 in 2017. These are not targets that the Government alone can produce. We must all work together.
Vote: Advanced Technology Institute Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Advanced Technology Institute Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 57 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Mana 1. 
Noes 63 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Amendments not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 161 in the name of David Clendon to clause 13(1)(d) be agreed to.
Smith Nick: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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9. 
Hon Dr NICK SMITH (National—Nelson) 
 to the  
Minister of Energy and Resources 
: What is the Government’s response to the Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment’s recently released interim report on fracking? 
Hon PHIL HEATLEY (Minister of Energy and Resources) 
: 
 Yesterday the Minister for the Environment and I welcomed the commissioner’s interim report on her investigation into fracking. The report finds that the environmental risks associated with fracking can be effectively managed provided that best operational practices are implemented and enforced through regulation. We also welcome the objective not subjective view that the evidence she has considered to date has revealed no basis to call for a nationwide moratorium on fracking. 
Hon Dr Nick Smith 
: What reports has the Minister seen on responses to the report by the Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment on fracking? 
Hon PHIL HEATLEY 
: I have heard one report on Radio New Zealand National when a member of this House questioned whether the commissioner succumbed to pressure from the oil industry saying “We don’t know what kind of pressure she was under by the oil industry or Government MPs.” It is disturbing that the commissioner’s independence and integrity have been called into question by Gareth Hughes. I have consistently said that I have been looking forward to the outcome of the inquiry and that it will set out fact from fiction. 
Hon Dr Nick Smith 
: What has the Minister to say to people who run a nationwide campaign against fracking saying that it must be banned who demand an independent inquiry and welcome it when it is announced but then bag its evidence-based conclusions when it does not meet their doctrinaire views? 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Order! I would have thought that the experienced former Minister would know that questions should involve some element of ministerial responsibility. Certainly in this day and age opinions can be sought but it just seemed to me that the question asked what the Minister would say to people for whom the Minister has no responsibility whatsoever. I am prepared to allow the member to reframe his question to bring it somewhat more within the Standing Orders. 
Hon Dr Nick Smith 
: Does the Minister think an intelligent debate about using New Zealand’s energy resources for which he has responsibility is helped by people who demand bans and demand an inquiry but when they get an inquiry bag its conclusions? 
Hon PHIL HEATLEY 
: I say that it is best to deal in the facts. New Zealand’s policy must be based on evidence. If we allow fear to stop every new opportunity our country will go backwards both economically and environmentally. We certainly will not get new jobs or a growing economy if we oppose marine farming exploration Skycity irrigation and even  
The Hobbit 
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Robertson H V Ross: Financial Reporting Bill — First Reading 
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Robertson H V Ross: Financial Reporting Bill — First Reading 
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The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: No. [ 
Interruption 
] No. 
Bill read a first time.  
Bill referred to the Commerce Committee.
Calder Cam: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Calder Cam: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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5. 
Dr CAM CALDER (National) 
 to the  
Minister of Health 
: What progress is the Government making on the national health targets? 
Hon TONY RYALL (Minister of Health) 
: 
 The latest national health target results show that the Government is well on track to achieve its Better Public Services immunisation target. The latest results show that 87 percent of our 8-month-olds are now fully immunised. This exceeds the step target that 85 percent of 8-month-olds will be vaccinated on time by July 2013. Children are most vulnerable to infectious diseases between 3 and 18 months of age. Our new target will ensure these babies are immunised on time and better protected from childhood diseases like whooping cough. That is why this Government has introduced at-birth enrolment in general practice and Well Child services. 
Dr Cam Calder 
: How has the progress made with immunisations been achieved? 
Hon TONY RYALL 
: This is a great achievement which is the result of a lot of hard work and commitment by general practice clinics Well Child providers community outreach staff midwives district health boards and the National Immunisation Register team. General practices and immunisation teams in the Capital and Coast District Health Board region here in Wellington and the Southern District Health Board region were outstanding performers this quarter with an incredible 93 percent of all kids under 8 months old fully immunised. I would like to thank these front-line teams across the country for their commitment and support which has seen New Zealand go from one of the lowest immunisation rates in the developed world to one of the best over the past few years.
Henare Tau: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Henare Tau: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Hon TAU HENARE (National) 
: 
 My question is to the Minister of Finance: what contribution is the screen industry making— 
Hon Trevor Mallard 
: He’s back in the tent. He’s back in the tent. 
Hon TAU HENARE 
: We will start again shall we? [ 
Interruption 
] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Order! The Hon Tau Henare. [ 
Interruption 
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Hon TAU HENARE 
: It is a hard job being Speaker. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Order!
Vote: Advanced Technology Institute Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Advanced Technology Institute Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 1 as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 105 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 34; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 15 
Green Party 14; Mana 1. 
Part 1 as amended agreed to.
Martin Tracey: Advanced Technology Institute Bill — In Committee 
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Martin Tracey: Advanced Technology Institute Bill — In Committee 
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TRACEY MARTIN (NZ First) 
: 
 I rise to speak on Part 1 of the Advanced Technology Institute Bill around the purpose. New Zealand First will be supporting this bill as it goes forward. I take on board my Labour Party colleagues’ comments with regard to industries corporates universities and research institutes not understanding the purpose of this bill. I want to put on record my understanding from the Education and Science Committee of the purpose of this bill so that it is written down in  
Hansard 
 so that if it ends up that this comes back or this becomes a problem going forward we have some sort of touch point here in  
Hansard.  
And so— 
House resumed. 
The Chairperson reported the Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill with amendment progress on the Advanced Technology Institute Bill and no progress on the Legislation Bill and the International Finance Agreements Amendment Bill. 
Report adopted.
Vote: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That clause 2 be agreed to. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 60 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 3; Mana 1. 
Clause 2 agreed to.
Vote: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That clause 1 be agreed to. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 60 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 3; Mana 1. 
Clause 1 agreed to.
Vote: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 64 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Mana 1. 
Motion agreed to.
Dean Jacqui: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Dean Jacqui: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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JACQUI DEAN (National—Waitaki) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
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Smith Nick: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Smith Nick: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Hon Dr NICK SMITH (National—Nelson) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
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Tisch Lindsay: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Tisch Lindsay: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: I thank the member. It has been pretty wide. I was chairing before dinner and I certainly allowed a very wide debate. I did not pull anyone up. I am just reminding members that we are actually talking about clauses and I would like them to come back and actually mention clauses 1 2 and 3.
Tisch Lindsay: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Tisch Lindsay: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Could I just remind members that we are actually on clauses so I ask you to come back.
Roy Eric: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Roy Eric: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: The amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 156 in the name of Darien Fenton is out of order as it is contingent on an amendment already negatived.
Vote: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 60 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 3; Mana 1. 
Amendments agreed to.
Mallard Trevor: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Mallard Trevor: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. I am not sure whether you were listening to the debate before but especially with the discussion of Maggie Barry who went on for I think about 7 minutes using we think Part 1 notes my submission to you is that by the Committee accepting that the debate was broadened and having people reply—
Vote: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That schedule 1 as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 60 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 3; Mana 1. 
Schedule 1 as amended agreed to.
Vote: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 57 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Mana 1. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Amendments not agreed to.
Roy Eric: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Roy Eric: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (Eric Roy) 
: The amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 159 in the name of Eugenie Sage to schedule 1 is out of order as it is contingent on an amendment already negatived. 
The question was put that the remaining amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 159 in the name of Eugenie Sage to schedule 1 be agreed to.
Vote: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 60 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 3; Mana 1. 
Amendments agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendments in the name of the Hon Annette King to schedule 1 be agreed to: 
replace clause 21 with: 
21Poll must be held 
A poll of electors on every final proposal must be held in each area or areas that the Commission determines is or are affected by the final proposal.;  
replace the heading of clause 22 with: 
22Matters relating to polls; and 
delete clause 22(1).
Vote: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 57 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Mana 1. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to.
Vote: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 57 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Mana 1. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 160 in the name of the Hon Annette King to clause 27 be agreed to.
Vote: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 60 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 3; Mana 1. 
Amendment agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 159 in the name of Eugenie Sage to clause 27 be agreed to.
Vote: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 64 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 57 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Mana 1. 
Motion agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 153 in the name of the Hon David Carter to insert new clause 27AA be agreed to.
Barry Maggie: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Barry Maggie: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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MAGGIE BARRY (National—North Shore) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
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Goldsmith Paul: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Goldsmith Paul: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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PAUL GOLDSMITH (National) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
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Kaye Nikki: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Kaye Nikki: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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NIKKI KAYE (National—Auckland Central) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
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Smith Nick: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Smith Nick: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Hon Dr NICK SMITH (National—Nelson) 
: 
 I want to make just a brief contribution in respect of Mr Hipkins because he does not know the history of his own party. Mr Hipkins says that change to local government without local democracy is an affront to the values of the Labour Party. Do you know who the spokesperson on local government is for the Labour Party? It is another member for Wellington Annette King. If he checks the parliamentary record he will see that Annette King Phil Goff and many of those actually voted for legislation that just simply said: “Central government has decided we’re going to merge all these councils and the lot of you can get knotted.” Did Chris remember that? Did he read that bit in the history of the Labour Party? Does he support Annette King and her views on local government expressed in 1989? 
You see the provisions in this part of the Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill certainly facilitate local communities making changes to their councils. Yes the bill does that but it also says that local communities will be in control and will drive that process and that if only 10 percent of them in even just one district want to have a referendum on that change—that might be in Wellington. 
I have got a further challenge for the member for Rimutaka. He says that Nick Smith and Fran Wilde have got a magic plan they stitched up a year ago on the reform of local government. Could he just fill me in? Could he just tell me what it was? I do not have any idea and I would like to be in the loop. 
The provisions that are in this bill have actually been quite carefully nuanced by the new Minister of Local Government David Carter. There are a number of significant changes that respond to the submissions. For instance now it takes a petition of only 10 percent in any one district for there to be a referendum triggered. There is a more refined thing about the Local Government Commission being satisfied that there is significant community support in areas. There is a whole series of amendments in Supplementary Order Paper 153 that make this into a sensible reform bill that will let local government change occur. It will not be forced by central government but will be better than the situation over the last 13 years where a number of councils have wanted to make changes and every single one has been rejected. Members opposite know in their heart of hearts that there are areas of New Zealand where local government reform would be sensible and the provisions in this bill allow that to take place in a sensible and consultative manner.
Tisch Lindsay: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Members we now come to debate on Part 2. This is debate on clauses 27 and 28 and schedule 2. 
Chris Hipkins 
: Mr Chairman. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Chris Hipkins—first off the block.
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 57 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Mana 1. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Amendments not agreed to.
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Vote: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 57 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Mana 1. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 160 in the name of the Hon Annette King to clause 24 be agreed to.
Vote: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 57 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Mana 1. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Amendments not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 160 in the name of the Hon Annette King to clause 22 be agreed to.
Vote: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 57 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Mana 1. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 158 in the name of Eugenie Sage to clause 21 be agreed to.
Vote: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 57 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Mana 1. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 157 in the name of Denise Roche to clause 25 be agreed to.
Vote: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 57 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Mana 1. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 156 in the name of Darien Fenton to insert new clause 20A be agreed to.
Vote: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 57 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Mana 1. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 160 in the name of the Hon Annette King to insert new clause 17A be agreed to.
Vote: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 57 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Mana 1. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Amendments not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 156 in the name of Darien Fenton to insert new clause 5A be agreed to.
Vote: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 60 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 3; Mana 1. 
Motion agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Papers 153 and 155 in the name of the Hon David Carter to Part 1 be agreed to.
Vote: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 2 as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 60 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 3; Mana 1. 
Part 2 as amended agreed to.
Vote: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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Vote: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 1 as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 60 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 3; Mana 1. 
Part 1 as amended agreed to.
Tisch Lindsay: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: The question is that the question be now put. Those of that opinion— 
Chris Hipkins 
: I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. There are people here me being one of them who have been seeking the call for some time and have not been given the call and other members have been given multiple calls. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: I have been very fair in the allocation of calls. I noticed the member went for the call before but not previously while I have been in the Chair. I have accepted a closure motion. The question— 
Denis O’Rourke 
: I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: If you are challenging my ruling Mr O’Rourke you are out of order. I have ruled that I am accepting the closure motion— 
Denis O’Rourke 
: I am raising a point of order. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: The member will sit. The member will sit. If the member is going to challenge my acceptance of a closure motion—and Parliament will decide whether it accepts a closure motion not me—I intend to put the closure motion. 
Denis O’Rourke 
: I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. The member who raised the point of order has already spoken. Is it appropriate— 
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: That is not a point of order.
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NIKKI KAYE (National—Auckland Central) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
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Hon Dr NICK SMITH (National—Nelson) 
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 I move  
That the question be now put 
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MAGGIE BARRY (National—North Shore) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
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Vote: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 57 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Mana 1. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 159 in the name of Eugenie Sage to clause 11 be agreed to.
Vote: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 60 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 3; Mana 1. 
Amendments agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendments in the name of the Hon Annette King to Part 1 be agreed to: 
delete clause 4; 
delete clause 5(1); 
delete the definition of “good quality” in clause 5(3); 
delete clause 7; 
delete clause 8; 
delete clause 19; 
delete clause 20; and 
delete clause 25(2) and (3).
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PAUL GOLDSMITH (National) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
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Vote: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That clause 3 be agreed to. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 60 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 3; Mana 1. 
Clause 3 agreed to. 
Bill to be reported with amendment presently.
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6. 
CHRIS AUCHINVOLE (National) 
 to the  
Minister of State Services 
: What recent announcements has the Government made regarding public service office accommodation in Wellington? 
Hon Dr JONATHAN COLEMAN (Minister of State Services) 
: 
 Last week the Government announced the Wellington office accommodation strategy. This strategy has seen the Ministry of Business Innovation and Employment Crown Law and the Ministry of Health the Ministry of Social Development and the Ministry of Education tendering for office space in a coordinated fashion. This will lead to an overall reduction in office space footprint equivalent to three Reserve Bank buildings. 
Chris Auchinvole 
: What are the benefits of the Wellington office accommodation strategy? 
Hon Dr JONATHAN COLEMAN 
: As well as improving efficiency by having each department situated at a suitable site coordinated tendering will reduce the Public Service office footprint by 30 percent and reduce rental costs by 20 percent saving $338 million over 20 years. This means that these departments will need no additional funding for Wellington accommodation over the next 20 years. 
Chris Auchinvole 
: I thank the Minister but would like to ask further: what will be the longer-term effect of the strategy? 
Hon Dr JONATHAN COLEMAN 
: We will be applying the strategy to the 81 leases that expire over the next 2 years. The aim of the strategy is to locate agencies with overlapping policy objectives in close proximity so that they can more effectively share services and back-office functions. The effect will be a contribution to the delivery of better public services.
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The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Is there any objection to that course of action being taken? There is none. The member may do so. 






Document by leave laid on the Table of the House.
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Hon ANNETTE KING (Labour—Rongotai) 
: 
 I should have done this at the end of my contribution. I seek leave to table the New Zealand Institute of Economic Research’s paper  
Is local government fiscally responsible? 
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Mr SPEAKER 
: I ask members leaving the House please to do so with reasonable courtesy to the House and not make too much noise. I hope members could hear the Clerk informing the House of the bills to be considered in Committee.
Vote: Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill — In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 57 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Mana 1. 
Noes 64 
New Zealand National 59; Maori Party 3; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 159 in the name of Eugenie Sage to clause 23 be agreed to.
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Hon MAURICE WILLIAMSON (Minister for Building and Construction) 
: 
 In order to clear up some of the confusion in the House today I wish to table a document that shows— 
Mr SPEAKER 
: What is the source of the document? 
Hon MAURICE WILLIAMSON 
: It is on parliamentary letterhead showing 100000 houses over 10 years— 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Order! The member will resume his seat. The member knows I was somewhat critical of his colleague on the other side of the House for trying to do that by way of point of order and I am not going to allow a Minister to do it by way of point of order either. That brings to a close questions for oral answer.
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12. 
GRANT ROBERTSON (Deputy Leader—Labour) 
 to the  
Prime Minister 
: Was the subject of Kim Dotcom raised in his recent discussion with US President Barack Obama; if so by whom? 
Rt Hon JOHN KEY (Prime Minister) 
: 
 Yes; I made a passing reference to it as an issue that was topical in New Zealand. Throughout the East Asia Summit we also discussed the Trans-Pacific Partnership Gaza the fiscal cliff Myanmar the summit the recent US election and the New Zealand economy. 
Grant Robertson 
: Why was not the Prime Minister prepared to confirm that he had raised the matter when reporters asked him that on the visit? 
Rt Hon JOHN KEY 
: Because it has been a longstanding I think position of New Zealand Prime Ministers to have discussions with other leaders but they do not characterise every part of them. Otherwise by definition you really could not have those kinds of conversations. 
Grant Robertson 
: Does he stand by his statement that Kim Dotcom is not a “top-of-mind issue” for him given that in the very few minutes he has with President Barack Obama in 1 year he decides to raise it with him? 
Rt Hon JOHN KEY 
: Contrary to that member’s opinion it was not a “very few minutes” I had with President Obama. But this point was about 30 seconds of the considerable amount of time we had to discuss matters. 
Grant Robertson 
: Would he expect to be informed about extradition proceedings involving a New Zealand resident where the extradition order was signed off at the highest levels of another Government? 
Rt Hon JOHN KEY 
: No I would not have thought so. 
Grant Robertson 
: Was he informed at any point in 2011 that the US Government wished to extradite a person resident in New Zealand for copyright infringement racketeering and money-laundering? 
Rt Hon JOHN KEY 
: No.
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11. 
MELISSA LEE (National) 
 to the  
Minister of Veterans’ Affairs 
: What is the Government doing to help veterans attend significant commemorations of their service? 
Hon NATHAN GUY (Minister of Veterans’ Affairs) 
: 
 Last week I announced that 30 Korean War veterans will be funded to attend the 60th anniversary commemorations of the Korean War armistice in July next year. This will be a chance for veterans to pay tribute to their fellow servicemen and servicewomen who served New Zealand in this conflict and it is an important way of honouring those who made the ultimate sacrifice. I thank Melissa Lee for her support of Korean veterans. This package is in addition to the Government’s wider commitment to allow any fit and able veteran to attend the 70th commemoration of their service. 
Melissa Lee 
: What reports has he seen on the success of the commitment to allow any fit and able veterans to attend the 70th commemoration of their service? 
Hon NATHAN GUY 
: I have seen a number of reports on the success of the programme so far. In February two veterans attended the commemoration of the fall of Singapore. In June 32 veterans of Bomber Command attended the unveiling of a memorial in London. In October 22 veterans attended commemorations of the Battle of El Alamein in Egypt. In April next year a commemoration of the war in the Pacific will be held in New Caledonia. Veterans have expressed sincere gratitude for the opportunity to return and have praised the work of Veterans Affairs and Ministry of Defence staff for their fantastic support of their travels.