Ngarewa-Packer Debbie; Chhour KarenDEBBIE NGAREWA-PACKER (Co-Leader—Te Pāti Māori ): Kia ora. Ngā mihi. It's good to hear the Minister for Children acknowledge some of the systemic issues that Oranga Tamariki has been confronting. Our questions are really to ask about the things—actually there are some things that we're doing such as section 7AA. A couple of questions I'd like to start with are how much of the $10.428 million will be used to give effect to Te Tiriti o Waitangi in our State care system as is mentioned in recommendations 14 16 39 55 63 117 126 and 129? Was the extra $1.9 million given to Corrections because the repeal of section 7AA will result in more tamariki Māori entering the prison pipeline? Will there be any cuts to funding for Māori service providers as a result of the repeal of section 7AA of the Oranga Tamariki Act? I guess on this line of questioning it would be good to understand specifically how many Māori services providers will be impacted by the $30 million cut to Oranga Tamariki contracting services. I'd actually like to put this one in as well if it pleases the Minister: is it appropriate to allocate $29 million to the serious youth offender and boot camps initiatives given that the core features of boot camps—strong discipline in a military-style environment—have repeatedly proven to be ineffective to reducing—and in some cases increase— reoffending rates?Hon Carmel Sepuloni: Mr Chair.CHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono): The Hon—oh the Hon Karen Chhour.Hon KAREN CHHOUR (Minister for Children): Sorry Mr Chair; my apologies. I just want to go back to some issues that were raised by the Greens around how there was a lack of training and awareness in boot camps back from the abuse in care inquiry. I absolutely agree. That was absolutely horrific what happened in that boot camp. They had staff that were not trained to look over those young people. They were on an island where they had no access to actually request help or to even say that they were being hurt and harmed. There were also weapons on this island where those young people were threatened and were absolutely scared to death. That should never have happened. I absolutely agree that there was no consideration taken to those young people with their needs when it came to disability or any behavioural components that should have been looked at.But what I would like to say is comparing that to the military-style academy that we have started the pilot on is not a fair comparison. We have staff that have been trained to deal with the issues with these young people. These young people are assessed before they even start the pilot programme to recognise if there are any disabilities neurodiversity issues learning issues—anything that we feel may make the process not OK for them. This is the reason why there is no plan in place at the moment of how to deal with that because there has been a carve-out to make sure that somebody with a disability who may not have been able to participate in the programme fully is not being placed into an environment where we're going to cause more hurt and more harm than good.But what I also would add is every young person the 10 that are currently in the programme have gone through a process. Actually they are there voluntarily. They have gone through a process with their family with the courts with the judge working through a sentencing plan through family group conferences and they are there voluntarily. They can leave this programme while it's a pilot any time that they would like and for any reason but we are supporting them through this journey because we cannot continue to give up on these young people. We have to give them an alternative to be able to go out into the community with their heads held high in confidence in knowing what their strengths are and how they can actually become contributing members of society in a space of either learning working or even dealing with their families when they go back into their homes.So there's a lot of work going on. This is a pilot; it's constantly evolving. If issues like that do arise there is the expectation that we will put the right people in front of those young people to make sure that we're not causing more harm than good.