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Gosche Mark: Financial Advisers Bill — First Reading 
Gosche Mark: Financial Advisers Bill — First Reading 
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Hon MARK GOSCHE (Labour—Maungakiekie) 
: 
 Talofa lava and my greetings. This Financial Advisers Bill whose first reading the Minister of Commerce Lianne Dalziel led off earlier in the afternoon is a further commitment by this Government to promoting confidence in the financial sector. There are many New Zealanders who at the moment are looking to Parliament and this Government to do that—given recent events in the non - bank financial sector in particular—as part of our ongoing reform of that sector which brings this bill before the House. It will promote greater accountability and transparency for financial advisers ensuring they are competent and act appropriately when managing conflicts of interest—again something that the public will be very keen to see enacted. 
The bill will set up a co-regulatory regime between the Securities Commission and industry-based approved professional bodies. The bill sets up that regime for financial advisers and its main provisions will require disclosure of financial advisers’ conflicts of interest their fees and their competency to ensure that members of the public can make informed decisions. It will require competency of financial advisers to ensure that they have the experience the expertise and the integrity to effectively match a member of the public to a financial product that best meets that person’s need and risk profile. It will ensure that financial advisers are held accountable for any financial advice they give and that there are incentives for them to manage appropriately conflicts of interest. 
In her speech the Minister indicated that she invited the Finance and Expenditure Committee to look at the various definitions in the bill and to ensure that members of the public as well as the industry make submissions on this bill. Obviously the bill has companion legislation which we are working on and it is important to have that set in place by the middle of this year. As a member of the select committee that will deal with this very important legislation I look forward to hearing from the public and from the financial advisers industry itself so that we can put together good legislation and report it back to the House so Parliament can pass it. I know there will be many people out there nursing some wounds from their own investments over the last year or so who will be welcoming this Government’s move.
Cullen Michael: Parliamentary Service Commission — Membership 
Cullen Michael: Parliamentary Service Commission — Membership 
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Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I move  
That pursuant to sections 15(1)(d) and 17(2)(a) of the Parliamentary Service Act 2000 Nathan Guy be appointed as a member of the Parliamentary Service Commission in place of Anne Tolley. 
Motion agreed to.
Vote: Biosecurity and Hazardous Substances and New Organisms Legislation Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Vote: Biosecurity and Hazardous Substances and New Organisms Legislation Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the motion be agreed to. 
Ayes 115 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand National 48; New Zealand First 7; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; United Future 2; Progressive 1; Independents: Copeland Field. 
Noes 6 
Green Party 6. 
Motion agreed to.
Street Maryan: Biosecurity and Hazardous Substances and New Organisms Legislation Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Street Maryan: Biosecurity and Hazardous Substances and New Organisms Legislation Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Hon MARYAN STREET (Minister for ACC) 
 on behalf of the Minister for Biosecurity 
: 
 I move  
That the Biosecurity and Hazardous Substances and New Organisms Legislation Amendment Bill be considered by the Primary Production Committee for consideration and that the committee report finally to the House on or before 17 March 2008.
Vote: Debate on Prime Minister’s Statement 
Vote: Debate on Prime Minister’s Statement 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That this House has no confidence in the Helen Clark-led Government because it has failed to make significant improvement in the areas of real importance to New Zealanders because it lacks ambition because it is tired and bereft of ideas because it has lost touch with the people who put it in power and because under its lead our country has become a story of lost opportunities. 
Ayes 50 
New Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 2. 
Noes 61 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; United Future 2; Progressive 1; Independents: Copeland Field. 
Abstentions 10 
Green Party 6; Maori Party 4. 
Motion not agreed to.
Brownlee Gerry: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Brownlee Gerry: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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GERRY BROWNLEE (National—Ilam) 
: 
 I seek leave to have this question held over until the Minister of Energy is able to get to the House. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought. Is there any objection? Yes there is objection.
Woolerton R Doug: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Woolerton R Doug: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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9.  
R DOUG WOOLERTON (NZ First) 
 to the  
Minister of Agriculture 
: What recent reports if any has he received regarding Fonterra’s capital restructuring proposal? 
Hon JIM ANDERTON (Minister of Agriculture) 
: 
 I have received various reports over the past few days including advice from the chair of Fonterra that the board has decided to defer a shareholder vote on its capital structure and to consult further with farmer shareholders. 
R Doug Woolerton 
: Does the Minister think the proposed capital structure which if implemented would see farmers holding just a 65 percent stake in the new company with the rest likely to be snapped up by foreign investors is in the national interest; if so why? 
Hon JIM ANDERTON 
: It is in New Zealand’s national interest for our largest company to have global scale and reach but also for it to be based in New Zealand. There are exciting international opportunities in the dairy industry and Fonterra’s shareholders must decide themselves how best to take the company forward in order to take advantage of those opportunities. 
R Doug Woolerton 
: Is the Minister concerned that Fonterra will wage a mammoth public relations campaign with farmers’ own money under the guise of the “genuine consultation process” to ensure that the necessary 75 percent support for the restructuring plan is achieved? 
Hon JIM ANDERTON 
: I understand that Fonterra intends to work through a programme to 2010 with its shareholders to enable them to make an informed decision by that time. As I have said the Government has worked with Fonterra to ensure that we retain the national interests of New Zealand and the entity Fonterra as a New Zealand corporation but also that there is opportunity for Fonterra to develop in the interests of New Zealand. All of these matters are in essence in the hands of the stakeholders of Fonterra itself which must own the problems and challenges it faces as well as the solutions. 
R Doug Woolerton 
: Will the Minister actively work to ensure that Fonterra remains in New Zealand hands; if so what steps will he take to ensure that it remains in New Zealand control? 
Hon JIM ANDERTON 
: It is important for the House to understand that the Government has never endorsed any package that Fonterra has put forward. We have in fact been committed to seeing that Fonterra grows as a New Zealand company. We have worked through with Fonterra a number of measures to safeguard both its ongoing development as a New Zealand corporation and farmer ownership and control. Both of those matters of course are in the hands of the shareholders of Fonterra themselves.
Moroney Sue: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Moroney Sue: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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7.  
SUE MORONEY (Labour) 
 to the  
Minister for Social Development and Employment 
: What is the Government doing to prevent and reduce the impact of family violence? 
Hon RUTH DYSON (Minister for Social Development and Employment) 
: 
 Our Government established the Taskforce for Action on Violence within Families to eliminate family violence in our country. One of the task force’s achievements is the media campaign. Its key phrase “It’s not OK” has already struck a chord with New Zealanders and people are taking action as a result. The second phase of advertising which started last Sunday calls on male perpetrators of partner violence to change their behaviour. I commend the courage of the men who tell their real stories in the ad in order to show that it is OK to ask for help. The ads are not airing in a vacuum. The task force’s ongoing programme of action will strengthen and support the campaign. 
Sue Moroney 
: How will last week’s announcement regarding sustainable funding for community groups help prevent family violence? 
Hon RUTH DYSON 
: A well-funded non-governmental organisation sector is critical if we are to prevent family violence and because it understands its communities and the families who live in them it is likely to be the first port of call for help. The new sustainable funding model will provide community providers with more certainty and they will be able to spend more time focusing on the outcomes that their services deliver. Heather Henare of the National Collective of Independent Women’s Refuges said that this policy “should provide greater relief and certainty to Refuges throughout the country.”
Yates Dianne: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Yates Dianne: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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5.  
DIANNE YATES (Labour) 
 to the  
Minister of Defence 
: What contribution has New Zealand made to the multinational effort to clear cluster munitions in Lebanon? 
Hon PHIL GOFF (Minister of Defence) 
: 
 Over the last 12 months the New Zealand Defence Force has done an outstanding job in clearing nearly a third of a million square metres of land in southern Lebanon and destroying more than 1800 unexploded cluster bombs and munitions. But just as importantly New Zealand is one of the seven countries leading preventive action aimed at banning the use of cluster munitions which cause unacceptable harm to civilians. This week we are hosting the largest ever disarmament conference here in Wellington which aims to progress towards a treaty against the use of cluster munitions. 
Dianne Yates 
: What have New Zealand’s actions meant for the people in Lebanon and beyond who have suffered from the use of cluster munitions? 
Hon PHIL GOFF 
: The work of the New Zealand Defence Force has meant that people living in the area cleared by the Defence Force can go about their daily lives without the worry that they or their children will be killed or maimed by unexploded munitions. More widely the initiatives taken by New Zealand and other countries towards a treaty against the use of cluster munitions have the potential in future to protect and save the lives of thousands of civilians who might otherwise be casualties. 
Dianne Yates 
: What does he hope will be the outcome of this week’s conference in Wellington on cluster munitions? 
Hon PHIL GOFF 
: The hope is that the 122 countries attending the conference here in Wellington will make progress towards agreement that will lead to the negotiation of a treaty in Dublin in May that bans cluster munitions which have unacceptable effects on civilian populations. We hope basically that this treaty will do what the Ottawa Convention did to landmines—that is get a large number of people to sign up to dispose of and not use cluster munitions and have even those countries that are not part of the process feel that the stigma is such that they will no longer use cluster munitions. 
Keith Locke 
: I seek leave to table a table from the New Zealand Superannuation Fund showing a $21 million investment in cluster bomb manufacturer Lockheed Martin. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to table that document. Is there any objection? There is objection. 
Keith Locke 
: I seek leave to table a document from the Norwegian Government Pension Fund showing that it has disinvested in eight manufacturers of cluster bombs. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to table that document. Is there any objection? There is objection.
Event: Members Sworn 
Event: Members Sworn 
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Members Sworn 
Madam Speaker administered the Oath of Allegiance to Dail Jones who then took his seat in the House.
Wilson Margaret: List Member Vacancy 
Wilson Margaret: List Member Vacancy 
[Volume:645;Page:14297] 
Madam SPEAKER 
: I have been advised by the Chief Electoral Officer that pursuant to section 137 of the Electoral Act 1993 Dail Michael John Jones has been declared to be elected a member of the House of Representatives in place of Brian John Donnelly.
Wilson Margaret: Resignations — Hon Brian Donnelly New Zealand First 
Wilson Margaret: Resignations — Hon Brian Donnelly New Zealand First 
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Madam SPEAKER 
: I wish to advise the House that I have received a letter from the Hon Brian Donnelly resigning his seat in the House with effect from the close of 14 February 2008.
Tabling of Documents — Hawke’s Bay District Health Board 
Tabling of Documents — Hawke’s Bay District Health Board 
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Tabling of Documents 
Hawke’s Bay District Health Board 
NATHAN GUY (Senior Whip—National) 
: 
 I seek leave to table the terms of reference for the feasibility study of the Hawke’s Bay District Health Board. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich) 
: Leave has been sought for that course to be taken. Is there any objection? There is objection.
Motions — Columbia Revolutionary Armed Forces—Hostages 
Motions — Columbia Revolutionary Armed Forces—Hostages 
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Motions 
Columbia Revolutionary Armed Forces—Hostages 
KEITH LOCKE (Green) 
: 
 I move  
That this House note with great concern that Ingrid Betancourt former Green Presidential candidate has now been held for over six years by the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) since her abduction on 23 February 2002 and that her health is now reported to be in a critical state and call on FARC to show compassion and immediately release Ingrid Betancourt and declare our solidarity with the other hostages detained in Colombia and support for a humanitarian solution that will allow them to be released as soon as possible. 
Motion agreed to.
Business Statement 
Business Statement 
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Thursday 6 March 2008 
Madam Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Prayers 
. 
Business Statement 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 Next week in the House priority will be given to the remaining stages of the Limited Partnerships Bill the Misuse of Drugs (Classification of BZP) Amendment Bill the Broadcasting Amendment Bill and the Building Amendment Bill. Wednesday is a members’ day. The debate on the Budget Policy Statement will be held on Wednesday in place of the usual general debate. That debate is a 2-hour debate. 
GERRY BROWNLEE (National—Ilam) 
: 
 I thank the Leader of the House for that indication. Can he tell us what the intentions of the Government are with regard to items Nos 18 20 and 21 on the Order Paper those being the Electoral (Integrity) Amendment Bill the Therapeutic Products and Medicines Bill and the Conservation (Protection of Trout as a Non-commercial Species) Amendment Bill? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 Item No. 21 will remain on the Order Paper giving trout a feeling of great protection despite the bill’s lack of passage. As I am sure the member is aware the numbers are not in the House for the passage of the Electoral (Integrity) Amendment Bill. As for the Therapeutic Products and Medicines Bill time will tell.
Alcohol Advisory Council Amendment Bill — First Reading 
Alcohol Advisory Council Amendment Bill — First Reading 
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Alcohol Advisory Council Amendment Bill 
First Reading 
Debate resumed. 
Bill read a first time. 
Hon CHRIS CARTER (Minister of Education) 
 on behalf of the  
Associate Minister of Health 
: 
 I move  
That the Alcohol Advisory Council Amendment Bill be considered by the Health Committee 
 that the committee report finally to the House on or before 26 June 2008 and that the committee have authority to meet at any time while the House is sitting except during oral questions and during any evening on a day on which there has been a sitting of the House and on a Friday in a week in which there has been a sitting of the House despite Standing Orders 192 and 195(1)(b) and (c). 
Motion agreed to.
Members Sworn 
Members Sworn 
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Members Sworn 
Madam Speaker administered the Oath of Allegiance to Louisa Wall who then took her seat in the House.
Resignations — Ann Hartley Labour 
Resignations — Ann Hartley Labour 
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Tuesday 4 March 2008 
Madam Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Prayers 
. 
Resignations 
Ann Hartley Labour 
Madam SPEAKER 
: I wish to advise the House that I have received a letter from Ann Hartley resigning her seat in the House with effect from the close of 28 February 2008. As a consequence of Ann Hartley’s resignation there is a vacancy in the office of Assistant Speaker.
List Member Vacancy 
List Member Vacancy 
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List Member Vacancy 
Madam SPEAKER 
: I have been advised by the Chief Electoral Officer that pursuant to section 137 of the Electoral Act 1993 Louisa Hareruia Wall has been declared to be elected a member of the House of Representatives in place of Margaret Ann Hartley.
Amended answers to Oral Questions — Question No. 8 to Minister 13 February 
Amended answers to Oral Questions — Question No. 8 to Minister 13 February 
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Amended answers to Oral Questions 
Question No. 8 to Minister 13 February 
Hon DAVID CUNLIFFE (Minister of Health) 
: 
 On 13 February 2008 I provided in an answer to a parliamentary question the information that in the past 3 years at Capital and Coast District Health Board there had been 10 deaths of patients on the waiting list for cardiac surgery there. At the time that answer was given the information was correct to the best of everyone’s knowledge. The district health board concerned has subsequently done a further manual analysis of its records and has shown that a total of 11 deaths for the 3-year period is correct and not 10. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Thank you Minister.
Business Statement 
Business Statement 
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Business Statement 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 Next week the House will go into a 1-week adjournment. When the House resumes on 4 March 2008 priority will be given to the Alcohol Advisory Council Amendment Bill the Maori Trustee and Maori Development Amendment Bill the Children Young Persons and Their Families Amendment Bill (No 6) the Limited Partnerships Bill the Misuse of Drugs (Classification of BZP) Amendment Bill and the Broadcasting Amendment Bill.
Visitors — Republic of Ireland—Dáil Éireann Working Group of Committee Chairs and the Committee of Members’ Interests 
Visitors — Republic of Ireland—Dáil Éireann Working Group of Committee Chairs and the Committee of Members’ Interests 
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Thursday 21 February 2008 
Madam Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Prayers 
. 
Visitors 
Republic of Ireland—Dáil Éireann Working Group of Committee Chairs and the Committee of Members’ Interests 
Madam SPEAKER 
: I have pleasure in informing members that the parliamentary delegation of Deputies representing the Working Group of Committee Chairs and the Committee of Members’ Interests from the Dáil Éireann Republic of Ireland led by Mr Neil O’Flynn is present in the gallery. I am sure that members would wish that the delegation be welcomed.
Parliamentary Service Commission — Membership 
Parliamentary Service Commission — Membership 
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Parliamentary Service Commission 
Membership 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I move  
That pursuant to sections 15(1)(d) and 17(2)(a) of the Parliamentary Service Act 2000 Nathan Guy be appointed as a member of the Parliamentary Service Commission in place of Anne Tolley. 
Motion agreed to.
List Member Vacancy 
List Member Vacancy 
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List Member Vacancy 
Madam SPEAKER 
: I have been advised by the Chief Electoral Officer that pursuant to section 137 of the Electoral Act 1993 Dail Michael John Jones has been declared to be elected a member of the House of Representatives in place of Brian John Donnelly.
Members Sworn 
Members Sworn 
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Members Sworn 
Madam Speaker administered the Oath of Allegiance to Dail Jones who then took his seat in the House.
Resignations — Hon Brian Donnelly New Zealand First 
Resignations — Hon Brian Donnelly New Zealand First 
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Tuesday 19 February 2008 
Madam Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Prayers 
. 
Resignations 
Hon Brian Donnelly New Zealand First 
Madam SPEAKER 
: I wish to advise the House that I have received a letter from the Hon Brian Donnelly resigning his seat in the House with effect from the close of 14 February 2008.
Peachey Allan: Debate on Prime Minister’s Statement 
Peachey Allan: Debate on Prime Minister’s Statement 
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ALLAN PEACHEY (National—Tamaki) 
: 
 It is an absolute privilege to support the next Prime Minister of New Zealand Mr John Key in his motion of no confidence in this Government. 
Debate interrupted.
Coleman Jonathan: Debate on Prime Minister’s Statement 
Coleman Jonathan: Debate on Prime Minister’s Statement 
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Dr JONATHAN COLEMAN (National—Northcote) 
: 
 If this bunch of tired broken-down party hacks failed career politicians and bitter Labour Party lackeys cannot fix this country’s problems after 9 years they never will. There is no question about it; since this mob came to power people are less safe on our streets they cannot get into hospitals their kids are going to Australia and they have less money to pay for the basics of life. That is why I support the motion moved by John Key that this House has no confidence in the Helen Clark - led Government because it has failed to make significant improvement in the areas of real importance to New Zealanders because it lacks ambition because it is tired and bereft of ideas because it has lost touch with the people who put it in power and because under its lead our country has become a story of lost opportunities. 
Sad old Dr Cullen reckons there are four tests for a tax cut but we know there is only one. The test is that it is election year and they are behind in the polls. Those members opposite have totally lost touch with the concerns of real people. If those guys come to my electorate in Northcote they will be told that they are going. They are out of here now. Government members are not in the real world. Their concerns are the Electoral Finance Act and getting re-elected at the next election. They do not care about crime or hospitals. They do not care that ordinary New Zealanders are struggling to make ends meet. The message for people listening at home on the radio or watching TV is that if this mob cannot fix it after 9 years they never will. They are going.
Pillay Lynne: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Pillay Lynne: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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11.  
LYNNE PILLAY (Labour—Waitakere) 
 to the  
Minister of Housing 
: What recent reports has she received regarding the Hobsonville development? 
Hon MARYAN STREET (Minister of Housing) 
: 
 In December the developer A V Jennings was announced as the preferred partner to carry out the first precinct development at Hobsonville. This is the excellent project that aims to create a mixed community of affordable housing State rentals and higher-end homes. 
Lynne Pillay 
: What reports has the Minister received indicating support or otherwise for the Hobsonville project? 
Hon MARYAN STREET 
: I have seen the affordable housing project in Hobsonville described as “economic vandalism” I have seen a report stating that it would be cancelled and recently I saw a report stating that the Hobsonville project has always been supported but the project should really be privatised. All of those reports come from John Key.
Cullen Michael: Business Statement 
Cullen Michael: Business Statement 
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Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 If the member looks at the Order Paper he will find that that has been postponed until 25 February so it cannot come up next Wednesday. However the member should watch this space.
Cullen Michael: Business Statement 
Cullen Michael: Business Statement 
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Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 Next week in the House at the conclusion of the debate on the Prime Minister’s statement priority will be given to the first readings of the Biosecurity and Hazardous Substances and New Organisms Legislation Amendment Bill the Financial Advisers Bill the Policing Bill the Corrections Amendment Bill (No 2) and the Alcohol Advisory Council Amendment Bill. Wednesday is a members’ day. Ann Hartley’s valedictory speech will occur on Wednesday at approximately 5 p.m.
Brownlee Gerry: Business Statement 
Brownlee Gerry: Business Statement 
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GERRY BROWNLEE (National—Ilam) 
: 
 I wonder whether the Leader of the House can tell us whether the Manukau City Council (Control of Graffiti) Bill is likely to come up on the Order Paper given the Prime Minister’s new commitment to rid the nation of graffiti.
Business Statement 
Business Statement 
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Thursday 14 February 2008 
Madam Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Prayers 
. 
Business Statement 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 Next week in the House at the conclusion of the debate on the Prime Minister’s statement priority will be given to the first readings of the Biosecurity and Hazardous Substances and New Organisms Legislation Amendment Bill the Financial Advisers Bill the Policing Bill the Corrections Amendment Bill (No 2) and the Alcohol Advisory Council Amendment Bill. Wednesday is a members’ day. Ann Hartley’s valedictory speech will occur on Wednesday at approximately 5 p.m. 
GERRY BROWNLEE (National—Ilam) 
: 
 I wonder whether the Leader of the House can tell us whether the Manukau City Council (Control of Graffiti) Bill is likely to come up on the Order Paper given the Prime Minister’s new commitment to rid the nation of graffiti. 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 If the member looks at the Order Paper he will find that that has been postponed until 25 February so it cannot come up next Wednesday. However the member should watch this space.
Finlayson Christopher: Debate on Prime Minister’s Statement 
Finlayson Christopher: Debate on Prime Minister’s Statement 
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CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON (National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. I am sorry to trouble you Madam Speaker and I hesitate to do so. The situation also happened yesterday. The list MP who comes from the south—I forget what her name is—constantly moves to other parts of the Chamber so that she can fill the room with her vacuousness and her interjections during the tail end of Mr Groser’s speech were really most unfortunate. I think she should be told that if she wants to interject she should go right to the back of the Chamber where she belongs and she can continue to yell and scream. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Ann Hartley) 
: The member is entitled to sit in the seat she was sitting in and I say to the member that there have been considerable interjections from both sides of the House during the last two or three speeches.
English Bill: Debate on Prime Minister’s Statement 
English Bill: Debate on Prime Minister’s Statement 
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Hon BILL ENGLISH (Deputy Leader—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. I want to acknowledge the remarks made by that member in respect of the departure of Katherine Rich. I thought the member might take the opportunity to prove her sincerity by apologising for abusive remarks she made about Katherine Rich in a select committee some years ago when I think she called her a tart a slag or something like that. So would she like to apologise for that? 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Ann Hartley) 
: The member knows that that is not a point of order.
O'Connor Damien: Debate on Prime Minister’s Statement 
O'Connor Damien: Debate on Prime Minister’s Statement 
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Hon DAMIEN O'CONNOR (Minister of Tourism) 
: 
 I have 1 minute left and one message for this House today which is that we should never ever trust a Tory. In the next 9 months we will see those Tories go up and down this country making a lot of statements. They cannot make policy. We have not seen one policy from them just a lot of statements.  
Let us look at the Tories’ history. They said they would take off the surcharge; they increased it. They said they would help New Zealanders; they cut benefits. They said they would be business friendly; they opposed tax reductions.  
We now have a Tory party that does not know what it stands for or who in fact it stands for. They said they would absolutely oppose interest-free student loans; now they are OK. They said climate change is a hoax; now they say they firmly believe in it. According to John Key the Kyoto Protocol was a failure of a document; now the Tories are saying they support it. They said KiwiSaver was fundamentally flawed.  
We can never trust a Tory. John Key is all hat and no horse.
Peters Winston: Points of Order — Seating in Chamber—National Members 
Peters Winston: Points of Order — Seating in Chamber—National Members 
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Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. I seek clarification on something a colleague of mine has pointed out to me. It is do with the seating in this Chamber. Given the National Party’s new-found love of Maori I want to know why Georgina te Heuheu is not on the front bench but rather is left on the third row though she is eminently qualified to be on the front bench and comes from an eminent Maori family. How can that be explained? 
Madam SPEAKER 
: That is not a point of order. 
Question time resumed.
Points of Order — Seating in Chamber—National Members 
Points of Order — Seating in Chamber—National Members 
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Points of Order 
Seating in Chamber—National Members 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. I seek clarification on something a colleague of mine has pointed out to me. It is do with the seating in this Chamber. Given the National Party’s new-found love of Maori I want to know why Georgina te Heuheu is not on the front bench but rather is left on the third row though she is eminently qualified to be on the front bench and comes from an eminent Maori family. How can that be explained? 
Madam SPEAKER 
: That is not a point of order. 
Question time resumed.
Fairbrother Russell: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Fairbrother Russell: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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5.  
RUSSELL FAIRBROTHER (Labour) 
 to the  
Minister for Social Development and Employment 
: What reports has she received about the level of unemployment in New Zealand? 
Hon RUTH DYSON (Minister for Social Development and Employment) 
: 
 I have seen reports that the Labour-led Government is supporting more and more people into real jobs. We now have record employment record labour-force participation and record low unemployment. The unemployment rate has fallen to a new low of 3.4 percent—the lowest since records began 22 years ago when my colleague Darren Hughes was just 8 years old. 
Russell Fairbrother 
: How many new jobs have been created under the current Government? 
Hon RUTH DYSON 
: We now have the highest level of employment recorded since records began—2.2 million New Zealanders are now in paid work. That means there are 377000 more jobs in our economy than there were in 1999. That is 126 new jobs each day since Labour has led the Government. This is all further evidence of our Government’s prudent economic management.
Wilson Margaret: Points of Order — Aboriginals—Australian Government Apology 
Wilson Margaret: Points of Order — Aboriginals—Australian Government Apology 
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Madam SPEAKER 
: I will look into that. I understand that it will be there tomorrow.
Points of Order — Aboriginals—Australian Government Apology 
Points of Order — Aboriginals—Australian Government Apology 
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Wednesday 13 February 2008 
Madam Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Prayers 
. 
Points of Order 
Aboriginals—Australian Government Apology 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. I referred to your office a notice of motion on the question of the stolen generation in Australia and the apology today. I wonder why it does not appear on the Order Paper. I understood that it was collected by your office but it does not appear here. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: I will look into that. I understand that it will be there tomorrow.
Peters Winston: Points of Order — Aboriginals—Australian Government Apology 
Peters Winston: Points of Order — Aboriginals—Australian Government Apology 
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Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. I referred to your office a notice of motion on the question of the stolen generation in Australia and the apology today. I wonder why it does not appear on the Order Paper. I understood that it was collected by your office but it does not appear here.
Anderton Jim: Debate on Prime Minister’s Statement 
Anderton Jim: Debate on Prime Minister’s Statement 
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Hon JIM ANDERTON 
: Well I get told every day that National is going to be the next Government. I do not actually believe that but I would like to hear something about what National will do. I listened to the leader of the National Party today saying nothing about what National will do. Nothing! It was bland rhetoric. That was all we got. There was no visionary leadership and no firm policy. National members should tell us what they will do about the debt of education. In my view we have the opportunity to do something for young New Zealanders. We have the opportunity to say to our young people: “Here’s a chance for you to serve your country and repay some of your debt.” We can do two things that are good at the same time. 
So if we think about our future and what we can do for young people in New Zealand we realise that we can take what we can for ourselves or we can offer it to those who need it most. This Government has been offering to the people who need it most help where they need with jobs payments back to their family for their children and all the rest of it. Now I am suggesting we do something for the young tertiary students of New Zealand who are training in qualifications to serve this country. We can give them a break as well.
Simich Clem: Debate on Prime Minister’s Statement 
Simich Clem: Debate on Prime Minister’s Statement 
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Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Debate is resumed on the Prime Minister’s statement. The next call is to New Zealand First. It is a split turn between Pita Paraone and Barbara Stewart. There will be a bell at 4 minutes.
Turia Tariana: Obituaries — Hon Herbert John Walker CMG Sir George Robert Laking KCMG Sir Edmund Percival Hillary KG ONZ KBE Hone Tuwhare 
Turia Tariana: Obituaries — Hon Herbert John Walker CMG Sir George Robert Laking KCMG Sir Edmund Percival Hillary KG ONZ KBE Hone Tuwhare 
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Hon TARIANA TURIA (Co-Leader—Maori Party) 
: 
 I move  
That this House express its deep sadness at the recent death of the distinguished poet playwright and author Hone Tuwhare—who was named the Te Mata Estate New Zealand Poet Laureate in 1999 and an Arts Foundation of New Zealand Icon Artist in 2003 and was a recipient of the inaugural Prime Minister’s Awards for Literary Achievement in 2003—and in doing so express its sincere condolences to Ngapuhi and in particular to NgatiKorokoro NgatiTuatahi Te Pototo and Te Uri o Hau who are feeling a profound sense of loss and sorrow at this time. 
Motion agreed to.
Anderton Jim: Obituaries — Hon Herbert John Walker CMG Sir George Robert Laking KCMG Sir Edmund Percival Hillary KG ONZ KBE Hone Tuwhare 
Anderton Jim: Obituaries — Hon Herbert John Walker CMG Sir George Robert Laking KCMG Sir Edmund Percival Hillary KG ONZ KBE Hone Tuwhare 
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Hon JIM ANDERTON (Leader—Progressive) 
: 
 Sir Edmund Hillary was essentially a national hero and he is rightly claimed as an inspiration by all New Zealanders. I found inspiration in the commitment he made to a fairer more caring New Zealand. I found inspiration too in both his public and political commitment to those ideals. He had a fierce and proud commitment to fairness and justice. He might have been the first person to climb Mount Everest but his life was more about working cooperatively than it ever was about competition. Sir Ed Hillary showed us the value of decency and unity in our common purpose. He showed us the value of working tirelessly and selflessly for all of our brothers and sisters on planet Earth. His values were the highest mountain he ever stood on. He showed us the value of taking on any challenge of meeting it with grit and determination and of pulling together to make the most of our talents. Sir Ed epitomised the tolerant society. He was the embodiment of a strong and caring New Zealand. He was an inspiration for the kind of New Zealand that we should all aspire to create. Our deepest sympathies today go to Lady Hillary and to the Hillary family whose loss is of course much greater than ours. 
Motion agreed to. 
Honourable members stood as a mark of respect.
Hide Rodney: Obituaries — Hon Herbert John Walker CMG Sir George Robert Laking KCMG Sir Edmund Percival Hillary KG ONZ KBE Hone Tuwhare 
Hide Rodney: Obituaries — Hon Herbert John Walker CMG Sir George Robert Laking KCMG Sir Edmund Percival Hillary KG ONZ KBE Hone Tuwhare 
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RODNEY HIDE (Leader—ACT) 
: 
 On behalf of the ACT party I say that Sir Edmund Hillary made us all proud to be New Zealanders and I believe he brought out the best in each and every one of us. To push on with TenzingNorgay higher than anyone had ever gone before must have take true guts and courage. Then to achieve that fame and to be able to I guess do anything with it but to use that fame to help the Sherpa people—in their words “to give them eyes to see”—by building schools hospitals and bridges was real humanity. Throughout all of Sir Edmund Hillary’s great achievements he always remained to us as one of us and that must have taken true humility. 
So Sir Edmund Hillary for us does embody what it is to be a great Kiwi and he reminds us of what it is to achieve each of our challenges our “Everests” and also to use in our ways the opportunities we each have to make the world a better place. All of us could reflect on this great man on his passing and on what he meant to each of us in our lives. 
I would also like to join with my colleagues in thanking the family of Lady Hillary and Sir Edmund Hillary for in what was a very personal loss for them allowing each and every one of us who felt a loss too to join with them in that feeling and to bring our great nation together for this great man.
Dunne Peter: Obituaries — Hon Herbert John Walker CMG Sir George Robert Laking KCMG Sir Edmund Percival Hillary KG ONZ KBE Hone Tuwhare 
Dunne Peter: Obituaries — Hon Herbert John Walker CMG Sir George Robert Laking KCMG Sir Edmund Percival Hillary KG ONZ KBE Hone Tuwhare 
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Hon PETER DUNNE (Leader—United Future) 
: 
 On behalf of United Future I extend our sympathy to Lady Hillary and her family on the loss of Sir Edmund Hillary—explorer diplomat humanitarian raconteur and New Zealander. Since Sir Edmund’s death a great deal has been said and written about his achievements. Most of it has been complimentary and consoling some of it has been maudlin and the occasional item has been crass—and I have no wish to add to that this afternoon. 
I want to make just two brief observations. Given the clobbering machine that is New Zealand I suspect that the conquest of Everest awesome as it was unprecedented as it was and courageous as it was would not have been enough to sustain Sir Edmund in our national consciousness as an icon for over half a century without the many other considerable qualities and attributes he gave to our country and to our world. I think that for many New Zealanders Sir Edmund was a distant figure—distant in the sense of time; the conquest of Everest occurred before most New Zealanders were born. But the thing they admired about him was his “Kiwiness” his “ordinary blokeishness” and the fact that he was someone who was as I think the Prime Minister referred to earlier the embodiment of what we all thought being a New Zealander was. So when he died a little bit of all of us as a nation died. That sense of what being a New Zealander was all about passed with him. I suspect that as time passes on we as a nation will want to reflect more and more on that point. 
The final observation I want to make is this. It must be hard for a family in such circumstances to come to grips with their loss of such a public figure. Grief is a very personal thing and people need to be able to grieve often in privacy and away from the pressure of daily life. All the rest of us in that situation want to be part of the reconciliation and recovery process. I simply say to the family that we are with them at this sad time. We hope they draw strength consolation and comfort from the support right around this country. But we know that they will have their own private moments that they will wish to share with each other and reflect upon without our intrusion and we as a nation respect that because this was a truly great New Zealander.
Sharples Pita: Obituaries — Hon Herbert John Walker CMG Sir George Robert Laking KCMG Sir Edmund Percival Hillary KG ONZ KBE Hone Tuwhare 
Sharples Pita: Obituaries — Hon Herbert John Walker CMG Sir George Robert Laking KCMG Sir Edmund Percival Hillary KG ONZ KBE Hone Tuwhare 
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Dr PITA SHARPLES (Co-Leader—Maori Party) 
: 
Tena koe Madam Speaker. Kai te pirangi au ki te poroporoaki i tenei rangatira i roto i te reo o okutipuna matua. I roto i nga tikanga Maorimehemea ka tangi atu ki tetahi ka karangahianga mate katoa kuapa ki a tatau i teneira. Na reira nga mate kuapa ki a koutou e noho nei i roto i te Whare i teneira mauria mai kia uhia ki runga i tenei ara i a Ta Edmund Hillary kia poroporoakihia. Na reira kai te rangatira haere. Kuaoti pai au mahi i tenei taha. Kuautainangahonore kai runga i a koe e te Kuini o Ingarangi e te Kawanatanga o Aotearoa otira e te iwi whanui o Aotearoa nei. Na reira haere koe me tera rangatira o matou a Hone Tuwhare kia tae katoa mai koutou i roto i te rangatiratanga te huarahi kuawharikitia e te mana o te tini nga mate. Kuaotingakorero i nga rangatira nei ngakaiarahi o ngapati ngaropu nei e paana ki to rangatiratanga. Na reira haere haere. Tena koutou. 
[An interpretation in English was given to the House.] 
[ 
Greetings to you Madam Speaker. I would like to farewell this leader in the language of my ancestors. In accordance with Maori traditions when the loss of one individual is mourned all deaths of the day that affect us are summoned. So the deaths affecting you seated in the Chamber today bring them together to be farewelled with Sir Edmund Hillary. Therefore to you the leader depart. What you have done on this side of the veil has been completed well. Honours have been bestowed upon you by the Queen of England the Government of New Zealand and indeed by the public at large of this country. Journey on with that other leader of ours Hone Tuwhare so that you and all those who passed away today in your greatness can travel the pathway set down by the many and mighty who have gone before you. Party leaders have acknowledged your greatness so farewell farewell. Greetings to you members of the House. 
]
Fitzsimons Jeanette: Obituaries — Hon Herbert John Walker CMG Sir George Robert Laking KCMG Sir Edmund Percival Hillary KG ONZ KBE Hone Tuwhare 
Fitzsimons Jeanette: Obituaries — Hon Herbert John Walker CMG Sir George Robert Laking KCMG Sir Edmund Percival Hillary KG ONZ KBE Hone Tuwhare 
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JEANETTE FITZSIMONS (Co-Leader—Green) 
: 
 It is an honour to speak on behalf of the Greens in acknowledging the passing of a truly great New Zealander. Sir Edmund exemplified all the things we like to think of as being essentially Kiwi. Even if many of those qualities we are now starting to lose we wish we were not doing so and we would all I think like to recover them and to be more like him. 
The first of the qualities is courage—the courage to set out on what seems to be a hopeless task and against enormous odds to carry it through. I am not referring there just to Mount Everest either. That courage of course incorporates persistence and the ability to keep going even when all the odds are against one. The second one is compassion—being deeply affected by the state of the people in the country that was helping him to climb the mountain and dedicating the rest of his life to their well-being. With that compassion came enormous resourcefulness which is another Kiwi quality. When the monasteries were sliding down the hillsides and Sir Edmund was asked to help to prop them up he sent back to New Zealand and got some wonderful engineering plans that involved many many tonnes of concrete and steel. He pointed out that all of those materials had to be carried in on the backs of Sherpas for 3 days and came up instead with a No. 8 fencing wire alternative: a mesh made of No. 8 fencing wire—what could be more Kiwi—that actually succeeded in holding those monasteries up. The third quality is unpretentiousness and humility. Sir Edmund was accessible throughout his life to other New Zealanders who wanted to talk to him. The fourth was his rugged sense of humour. Scaling the summit of Mount Everest was just a precursor in his life to challenging the much more difficult mountains of underprivilege and poverty in Nepal. 
Winston Peters used the line I was planning to use myself. We will not see his like again.