5. Question No. 5—Broadcasting and MediaMELISSA LEE (National) to the Minister for Broadcasting and MediaQuestion No. 5—Broadcasting and Media5. MELISSA LEE (National) to the Minister for Broadcasting and Media: Does he stand by his statements regarding the Aotearoa New Zealand Public Media Bill We no longer have trust in national media" and "We need a trusted public broadcaster"?Hon WILLIE JACKSON (Minister for Broadcasting and Media): I stand by the sentiment of what I said. However I recognise these statements are open to interpretation which is fair enough. So let me clarify what I meant. This was no reflection on RNZ and TVNZ but a reflection that the whole media landscape has changed with audiences now more likely to be engaged with streaming services or social media than traditional media. Surveys show that RNZ and TVNZ are our most trusted media but overall—as the Opposition knows or refuses to acknowledge—trust in media is slipping both here and internationally and this Government wants to do something about it.Melissa Lee: If New Zealanders do not trust public broadcasters as he said can he explain why they will trust the merged RNZ and TVNZ which is also a public broadcaster?Hon WILLIE JACKSON: As I said we have a lot of trust in what's happening in terms of national media at the moment and the public should trust that this is a Government that will invest in a very important area of New Zealand and we will continue to support national media. Melissa Lee: I'm not so sure he actually answered that question.SPEAKER: I think he did address it.Melissa Lee: Does he stand by his statement: "There's no way we'll be telling editors how to run their news." and can he confirm that money from the Public Interest Journalism Fund includes conditions relating to how editors run their news?Hon WILLIE JACKSON: I'll answer the first part of the question and I would ask that member to read the bill—read the bill. In clause 15(3) it clearly says in terms of editorial independence "The Minister may not give a direction to Aotearoa New Zealand Public Media (or any of its members subsidiaries or employees) for any reason relating to broadcasting selecting commissioning or producing particular content."Melissa Lee: Point of order Mr Speaker. Can I ask that question again because I don't think the Minister even attempted to address the question?SPEAKER: Well I disagree.Melissa Lee: Can the Minister confirm that money from the Public Interest Journalism Fund includes conditions relating to how editors run their news and will it be reflected in the Aotearoa New Zealand Public Media as well?Hon WILLIE JACKSON: As I said we'll be very very clear. It will be very clear about editorial control as I've read out and in terms of the public media fund there are clear rules around that also. But the driving principle of the public media interest fund is to support a lot of groups who've missed out because of what's been happening in the media with some of the global giants taking a vast share of the commercial funding. So it's been set up by my predecessor Kris Faafoi and we're proud that it has supported media groups and communities who have been missing out.Melissa Lee: Does the Minister believe there is a risk that future Governments will direct the new public broadcaster for political purposes?Hon WILLIE JACKSON: There's always a risk particularly if the future Government is that Opposition party across the other side."