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Wilson Margaret: Visitors — Republic of Vanuatu—Deputy Prime Minister Minister of Foreign Affairs 
Wilson Margaret: Visitors — Republic of Vanuatu—Deputy Prime Minister Minister of Foreign Affairs 
[Volume:625;Page:20037] 
Madam SPEAKER 
: I have much pleasure in informing members that His Excellency Mr Sato Kilman Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs from the Republic of Vanuatu is within the precincts of this Chamber. I am sure that members would wish he be welcomed and accorded a seat to the left. I am sure that members would also like to welcome members of his delegation who are present in the gallery. 
His Excellency Mr Sato Kilman accompanied by the Associate Minister of Pacific Island Affairs entered the Chamber and took a seat on the left of the Chair.
Mark Ron: Counter-Terrorism Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Mark Ron: Counter-Terrorism Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:612;Page:9360] 
RON MARK (NZ First) 
: 
 I rise to put on the record that New Zealand First will be voting in support of Part 2. The two conventions are specifically identified and detailed in the schedule as new schedules 2A and 2B and they are there for everybody to read. Even the strongest critic of this legislation should see that it is eminently sensible I would have thought that we sign up to those United Nations conventions. I take for example the Convention on the Marking of Plastic Explosives for the Purpose of Detection. That convention seeks to obligate the signatory countries to ensure that plastic explosives that are manufactured in each country contain identifying agents so that they can be clearly identified by any of the law enforcement agencies that seek to provide security for aircraft buildings or anything that may be a terrorist target. Failure to comply with such international standards is to invite acts of terrorism. People who are caught moving manufacturing or in possession of such explosives can quite clearly be considered to be people who have only one intent in mind. There is no other reason to utilise such explosives. 
The provisions in Part 2 that deal with sentencing for offences relating to harbouring or concealing terrorists could if anything be criticised as being a little light. The penalty for harbouring a known terrorist is a term of imprisonment not exceeding 7 years. 
Dr Wayne Mapp 
: But then they’ll get parole. 
RON MARK 
: But they are eligible for parole at the one-third mark so they will be on home detention 6 months shy of 2 years and then out on parole. That is hugely light. The penalty for the use and movement of unmarked plastic explosives is a $500000 fine and/or imprisonment for a term not exceeding 10 years which seems eminently sensible to me. 
For the life of me I cannot understand why a party that is so much in favour of a nuclear-free policy would not express its support at the first opportunity for this part of the bill. Failure to express that support immediately brings into question once again that party’s commitment. But we have seen with regard to the GE issue that the very same party when it had the opportunity to flex its muscles and demand that the moratorium be extended did not do so. It rolled over backwards. And we have New Zealanders being denied access to the Privy Council because the Green Party it may be said is not serious about the sorts of policies that its members say they hold so dear. But there is another speech or two to go on this part and maybe Mr Locke can assure us that he is serious about a nuclear-free policy and support for this part of the bill.
Goff Phil: Obituaries — United Nations Headquarters Baghdad—Bomb Victims 
Goff Phil: Obituaries — United Nations Headquarters Baghdad—Bomb Victims 
[Volume:611;Page:8025] 
Hon PHIL GOFF (Minister of Foreign Affairs and Trade) 
: 
 I move  
That the House notes with deep sorrow the death last week of 22 people from the bombing of the United Nations headquarters in Baghdad including Sergio Vieira de Mello the United Nations’ special representative to Iraq. 
 The attack was a tragedy for the United Nations and our condolences go to all those families who have suffered loss and to those including New Zealander Major Todd Hart who were injured in the bombing. I pay particular tribute to Sergio de Mello. He was one of the United Nations’ most able people. He worked tirelessly to restore order in many regions racked by war. New Zealanders who worked with him in East Timor and in other areas valued highly his integrity and unquestionable competence. This tragedy must not be allowed to stand in the way of the vital humanitarian role that the United Nations has to play in Iraq which New Zealand fully supports. I am sure that all parties—and several have asked me to mention them during my comments—and all New Zealanders will join in deploring this attack and in expressing our sympathy to the families who have lost members as victims in this disaster. 
Motion agreed to. 
Honourable members stood as a mark of respect.
Heatley Phil: General Debates 
Heatley Phil: General Debates 
[Volume:618;Page:13866] 
PHIL HEATLEY:  
I seek leave to table the Ngati Awa July 2002 deed of settlement that gave them 5 percent of coastal space. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Clem Simich) 
: Leave has been sought. Is there any objection? There is objection.
Imprest Supply (First for 2004/05) Bill — First Reading  
Imprest Supply (First for 2004/05) Bill — First Reading  
[Volume:618;Page:13785] 
Imprest Supply (First for 2004/05) Bill 
First Reading 
Hon PAUL SWAIN (Minister of Labour) 
 
 on behalf of the 
 Minister of Finance. 
 I move  
That the Imprest Supply (First for 2004/05) Bill be now read a first time. 
Bill read a first time.
Obituaries — Hon Jonathan Elworthy Larry Sutherland 
Obituaries — Hon Jonathan Elworthy Larry Sutherland 
[Volume:627;Page:21737] 
Tuesday 21 June 2005 
Madam Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Prayers 
. 
Obituaries 
Hon Jonathan Elworthy 
Larry Sutherland 
Madam SPEAKER 
: I regret to inform the House of the death on 17 June 2005 of the Hon Jonathan Herbert Elworthy who represented the electorate of Oamaru from 1975 to 1978 and that of Waitaki from 1978 to 1984. He was Minister of Lands Minister of Forests and Minister in charge of the Valuation Department from 1981 to 1984. 
I regret also to inform the House of the death on 21 June 2005 of Larry Walter Sutherland who represented the electorate of Avon from 1987 to 1996 and that of Christchurch East from 1996 to 1999. He was a junior whip from 1993 to 1996. 
I desire on behalf of the House to express our sense of the loss we have sustained and our sympathy with the relatives of the late former members. I now ask members to stand with me and observe a period of silence as a mark of respect for their memory. 
Honourable members stood as a mark of respect.
Laban Luamanuvao Winnie: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Laban Luamanuvao Winnie: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:613;Page:9626] 
4.  
LUAMANUVAO WINNIE LABAN (Labour—Mana) 
 to the  
Minister of Foreign Affairs and Trade 
: To what extent has New Zealand achieved its objective in deploying police and Defence Force personnel to the Solomon Islands? 
Hon PHIL GOFF (Minister of Foreign Affairs and Trade) 
: 
 In less than 100 days the deployment has made enormous progress towards its first objective—that is helping to restore law and order and a new sense of security. Over 3700 weapons have been collected 200 arrests have been made for major crimes including Harold Keke and Jimmy Rasta 25 allegedly corrupt and criminal police officers have been arrested and a further 50 dismissed. This has all helped to provide a positive environment to restore Government services to restore the economy and to reform the public sector. 
Luamanuvao Winnie Laban 
: How long will police and Defence Force personnel continue to be deployed? 
Hon PHIL GOFF 
: This month—probably towards the end of the month—the infantry company will be withdrawn and replaced by an enhanced platoon of 40 Defence Force personnel. The helicopter support will be phased out by May of next year and as foreshadowed the 35 police personnel will continue on a rotational basis for up to 2 years. Their continued presence after this time will be considered in the light of events. 
Dr the Hon Lockwood Smith 
: Was a New Zealand Army infantry company part of the original request from Australia for forces to assist in the Solomon Islands; if so why precisely did the Government on 14 July not agree to that request from the Australians? 
Hon PHIL GOFF 
: The member is quite wrong. The Government did agree to the request. We said that there would be a company on stand-by if required. Some time after that the Australian Foreign Minister Alexander Downer rang me to ask for New Zealand to deploy that company. Within 48 hours a decision had been made and the troops were on the ground at the time they were originally expected. They have stayed there for the full duration of the deployment we foreshadowed at the time.
Yates Dianne: Gambling Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Yates Dianne: Gambling Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:611;Page:8505] 
DIANNE YATES (NZ Labour—Hamilton East) 
: 
 We are now discussing Part 4 which is to do with harm prevention and minimisation. I just point out that there are a number of issues in this part. Some are to do with age restrictions. Mr Tisch jumped straight into the levies but he also skipped over parts that deal with them particularly clause 278 about the policy for identifying problem gambling and the responsibility on those who are running gambling establishments to assist in the identification of problem gamblers. That is a very important part of this legislation. Mr Tisch also talked about the levy the application of the levy and the involvement of the Ministry of Health in this. That will give us greater certainty on who is doing what in terms of problem gambling which has had some controversy up to this point. 
I also point out that there was some discussion at the Government Administration Committee on warrants and the powers to search and inspect gambling establishments. We had to work those issues through the select committee stage. 
This part of the bill is about harm prevention. It is also about penalties and infringements the types of notices that are given and more about the enforcement of the law in relation to not only problem gambling but also the fees the infringements the evidence and so on that must be brought forward. We are getting now to the nitty-gritty of enforcement and how we deal with those who wish to break the law. That includes matters such as cheating and counterfeit chips. The major emphasis in relation to the submissions was the area around problem gambling. Many people who made submissions were relieved that this would be going through the Ministry of Health.
Sowry Roger: Supreme Court Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Sowry Roger: Supreme Court Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:612;Page:9026] 
Hon ROGER SOWRY (Deputy Leader—NZ National) 
: 
 Mr Speaker I think the language is not quite right. With the Clerk’s assistance perhaps you might want to give us the language we need to get ourselves back to a position where we can recast those votes.
Tamihere John: Taxation (Annual Rates Maori Organisations Taxpayer Compliance and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill — In Committee 
Tamihere John: Taxation (Annual Rates Maori Organisations Taxpayer Compliance and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:607;Page:4231] 
Hon JOHN TAMIHERE (Minister of Youth Affairs) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put.
Hunt Jonathan: Obituaries — Hon Sir Richard Harrison Hon Merv Wellington 
Hunt Jonathan: Obituaries — Hon Sir Richard Harrison Hon Merv Wellington 
[Volume:611;Page:8439] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I also regret to inform the House of the death on 7 September 2003 of the Hon Mervyn Langlois Wellington QSO who represented the electorate of Manurewa from 1975 to 1978 and that of Papakura from 1978 to 1990. He was Minister of Education from 1978 to 1984. I desire on behalf of this House to express our sense of the loss we have sustained and our sympathy with the relatives of the late former member. I now ask members to stand with me and observe a period of silence as a mark of respect for his memory. 
Honourable members stood as a mark of respect.
Carter John: Maori Television Service Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled 
Carter John: Maori Television Service Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee Speaker Recalled 
[Volume:607;Page:4999] 
JOHN CARTER (Senior Whip—NZ National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Chairperson. I was not going to raise the issue but now that it has been raised I say that the comment could be construed as threatening and the member should be asked to withdraw and apologise. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: The member is quite right. 
Mita Ririnui 
: I withdraw and apologise.
Peters Winston: Immigration Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
Peters Winston: Immigration Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
[Volume:611;Page:8420] 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I have listened to that member say he is not prepared to defend his country and his people in it. As far as I am concerned he is a pinko quisling traitor. 
Hon Richard Prebble 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Clem Simich) 
: I do not need any further assistance on this one please. 
Hon Richard Prebble 
: I thought I could advise. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Clem Simich) 
: Mr Prebble might be able to help me. He is in the centre of it there.
Robson Matt: Motions — Bali Bombing—Second Anniversary 
Robson Matt: Motions — Bali Bombing—Second Anniversary 
[Volume:620;Page:15998] 
Hon MATT ROBSON (Deputy Leader—Progressive) 
: 
 The Progressive Party also supports the motion that is before the House. We stand with the people of the world who were shocked by what occurred in Bali. We remember also that the people of Bali suffered in 1965 and 1966 when the worst killing grounds of all after the overthrow of President Sukarno were in Bali and the streets ran with the blood of the people of Indonesia. 
The fight against terrorism is on a number of levels. It is a fight against those who are criminal gangs and individual groups and it is a fight against those States that support foster and fund terrorism. I believe that the people of New Zealand are looking for us to continue our support for the international rule of law in the fight against terrorism and to make sure that our own domestic laws are in accord with the rule of law. The only way that the world will be able to end these criminal attacks which in the end mean the suffering of ordinary people is to take an approach that deals with the causes of terrorism and to look particularly at fostering development in that great part of the world—where the great majority of the people live on under $2 a day—and to make sure that world attention is focused on such tragedies as that of the Palestinian people what is happening in Sudan and in all those parts of the world where ordinary people through no fault of their own are the victims of greater forces. 
The Progressive Party sees that this motion is an important motion for this House to support in unanimity. 
Motion agreed to.
Urgency 
Urgency 
[Volume:618;Page:13989] 
Urgency 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I move  
That urgency be accorded the passing through their remaining stages of the Local Government (Auckland) Amendment Bill the Meat Board Restructuring Bill the Visiting Forces Bill the Local Government Law Reform Bill (No 3) and the Parole (Extended Supervision) and Sentencing Amendment Bill and of any bills into which those bills may be divided; the first readings of the Electoral Matters Bill the Criminal Procedure Bill and the Animal Products (Dairy Products and Other Matters) Bill; the passing through their remaining stages of the Mercenary Activities (Prohibition) Bill the Secondhand Dealers and Pawnbrokers Bill and any bills into which those bills may be divided; and the first reading of the Land Transport Amendment Bill 
.  
The motion is moved first of all to complete all stages of the Local Government (Auckland) Amendment Bill the Meat Board Restructuring Bill and the Visiting Forces Bill which all have commencement dates of 1 July 2004. In relation to the other matters the motion is moved to ensure they are dealt with before the House rises for the 3-week July adjournment. 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That urgency be accorded. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand Labour 51; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 58 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; ACT New Zealand 8; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Motion agreed to.
Benson-Pope David: Gambling Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Benson-Pope David: Gambling Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:611;Page:8516] 
DAVID BENSON-POPE (Senior Whip—NZ Labour) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Robertson H V Ross: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Robertson H V Ross: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:617;Page:12847] 
9.  
H V ROSS ROBERTSON (Labour—Manukau East) 
 to the  
Minister of Tourism 
: Has he received any recent reports on New Zealand’s reputation as a quality visitor destination? 
Hon MARK BURTON (Minister of Tourism) 
: 
 Yesterday New Zealand won its fourth  
Guardian  
and  
Observer 
 newspapers People’s Choice award for best long-haul travel destination. No other country has won this award as many times and the fact that the public decides makes it all the more valuable for our tourism sector. This is yet another clear illustration of the benefit for New Zealand of this Government’s strong working partnership with the industry. 
H V Ross Robertson 
: Can the Minister tell the House whether New Zealand has received any other recent recognition from the international tourism sector? 
Hon MARK BURTON 
: Yes. Without reservation I congratulate the sector whenever and wheresoever I have the opportunity particularly when so much of that recognition comes from our good friends Australia the United Kingdom and the United States. For example New Zealand has been named in the US travel connoisseur Andrew Harper’s list of top 10 international destinations Tourism New Zealand has recently won several international marketing public relations awards for the “100 Percent Pure New Zealand” campaign New Zealand features twice in the first-ever global assessment of sustainable tourism practice conducted by  
National Geographic 
 and staff at world-leading Australia-based travel guide  
Lonely Planet 
 named New Zealand the world’s hottest destination for the second year running.
English Bill: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
English Bill: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:624;Page:18965] 
7.  
Hon BILL ENGLISH (National—Clutha-Southland) 
 to the  
Minister of Education 
: Does he believe the Government has fulfilled the commitment made by Hon Steve Maharey in 2001 that “The Tertiary Education Commission will positively impact on you by providing a more strategic and systematic approach to the way that tertiary education is funded and regulated.”; if so why? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Minister of Education) 
: 
 Progress has been made. The Tertiary Education Commission has successfully implemented a significant improvement in the way that tertiary education research is funded. It has implemented caps on community education aviation and other high-growth areas. It has begun allocating private training establishment funding on a strategic basis. Last week it commenced reviews on the strategic relevance of four areas of provision. We are not there yet but as Rachel Hunter said: “It won’t happen overnight but it will happen.” 
Hon Bill English 
: Can the Minister confirm that between 2000 and 2003 the latest years for which official figures are available the growth in certificate and diploma courses was 10 times the growth in trade and skills training? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: Off the top of my head no. 
H V Ross Robertson 
: Has he seen reports proposing other options instead of a more strategic and systematic approach to the way in which tertiary education is funded and regulated? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: Yes I have seen an approach that states: “Fund every student who comes through the institution’s doors. What can be unfair about that?”. I have seen another approach that states: “Trust institutions to run themselves. Students do not need some dictatorial Minister in charge of tertiary education telling them what they should or should not study.”; and “Maori should be able to set up their own schools and universities.” Those comments were made by Wyatt Creech Nick Smith and Rodney Hide. That is a “bums on seats” approach; not the approach I am happy with. 
Hon Ken Shirley 
: How does the Minister reconcile the flowery dream of Steve Maharey’s 2001 commitment with his own announcement on 21 February this year asking the Tertiary Education Commission to negotiate changes to the wananga charter to strengthen governance and is that not an admission that Mr Maharey’s 2001 commitment was not fulfilled? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: We are not there yet. 
Hon Bill English 
: Can the Minister confirm that one of the results of the Government’s commitment to strategic tertiary education is that between 2000 and 2003 the Government spent $2.5 billion on certificate and diploma courses that only 30 percent of the students who started those courses ever finished them and that that means that $1.7 billion was spent on courses that students did not finish? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: No.
Vote: Immigration Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
Vote: Immigration Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
[Volume:611;Page:8216] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Immigration Amendment Bill be now read a second time. 
Ayes 60 
Labour 52; United Future 8. 
Noes 50 
New Zealand National 23; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 6; Green Party 8. 
Bill read a second time.
Visitors — Council of Ethnic Minorities National Assembly of Vietnam 
Visitors — Council of Ethnic Minorities National Assembly of Vietnam 
[Volume:614;Page:10653] 
Thursday 11 December 2003 
Mr Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Prayers 
. 
Visitors 
Council of Ethnic Minorities National Assembly of Vietnam 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I have much pleasure in informing the House that members of the Council of Ethnic Minorities of the National Assembly of Vietnam led by Her Excellency Madam Nguyen Thi Nuong is present in the gallery. I am sure that members would wish that the delegation be welcomed.
Vote: Land Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Land Transport Management Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:613;Page:9749] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 69 
New Zealand Labour 52; Green Party 9; United Future 8. 
Noes 48 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8. 
Amendments agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of the Hon Roger Sowry to schedule 1 be agreed to: 
to omit clause 52A.
Cunliffe David: Diplomatic Privileges and Immunities Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
Cunliffe David: Diplomatic Privileges and Immunities Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
[Volume:615;Page:11178] 
Hon DAVID CUNLIFFE (Minister of State) 
: 
 This bill implements the Agreement on the Privileges and Immunities of the International Criminal Court which supplements the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court. It is unlikely that the International Criminal Court will ever sit in New Zealand but it is important that investigators should they need to do so are able to operate freely within our jurisdiction. More important this measure underlines that New Zealand has long supported the establishment of an International Criminal Court as a means of ending impunity to the worst crimes. It continues a strong and distinctive New Zealand tradition of support for multilateral legal institutions at a time when the international institutions are under severe pressure. We note the pressure that has been applied to the UN in the context of the current conflict in the Middle East the pressure on the World Trade Organization in the context of the Cancun conference and the current pressures underlying the situation of NATO. So we are proud not only of the specific purposes of this International Criminal Court matter but also of underlining our commitment to multilateralism which New Zealand is putting forward in this bill.
Wilson Margaret: Visitors — Canada—Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs House of Commons 
Wilson Margaret: Visitors — Canada—Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs House of Commons 
[Volume:624;Page:19353] 
Madam SPEAKER 
: I have much pleasure in informing the House that members of the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs from the House of Commons Canada are present in the gallery. I am sure that members would wish that the delegation be welcomed.
Carter John: Points of Order — Members’ Day—Rescheduling of Debate Parliament Building—Media Access Members’ Day—Rescheduling of Debate 
Carter John: Points of Order — Members’ Day—Rescheduling of Debate Parliament Building—Media Access Members’ Day—Rescheduling of Debate 
[Volume:624;Page:19715] 
JOHN CARTER (National—Northland) 
: 
 I seek leave to table Standing Order 10 “Custody of Journal and records”. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Is there any objection to that course of action being taken? There is.
Turner Judy: Health Practitioners Competence Assurance Bill — In Committee 
Turner Judy: Health Practitioners Competence Assurance Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:611;Page:8164] 
JUDY TURNER (United Future) 
: 
 I will take a very brief call on Part 7. A huge number of provisions are covered in this part and I want to pick up on just one aspect of it. In this part we get a look at the professions that are registered under other Acts and will now be registered under this legislation. We seem to have heard a lot about doctors tonight and I just want to give a bit of feedback from some of the other professions that come under this bill. 
I have an email from the Dental Council of New Zealand which is pleased to support the bill. I also have an email from the Nursing Council welcoming the introduction of the bill. It is really thrilling that the bill will further protect the public by ensuring that practitioners are not only fit to practise but also competent to do so. I have emails from the Occupational Therapy Board the Dieticians Board and the Psychologists Board which also support this bill as it has come out of the Health Committee. The Opticians Board has emailed us to say it is happy with the bill as it has been presented. The Medical Radiation Technologists Board is happy with it as is the Medical Laboratory Technologists Board. The Physiotherapy Board is also happy to offer its support to the bill. So I think we need to keep a little bit of perspective here. 
United Future is pleased about the review clause. We are unclear whether the National Party supported it in the select committee. As this legislation fleshes itself out over the next 3 years any tweaking that may need to happen will become apparent. We feel that some of the provisions in the bill have been worked on to the extent that we now need to put them into operation to see how in consultation with the professions they work out. The review in 3 years will be interesting. I am really thrilled to have had feedback from so many health professionals whose professional futures are encapsulated in this bill and I am thrilled with their support for the bill.
Points of Order — Party Vote—Health (National Cervical Screening Programme) Amendment Bill 
Points of Order — Party Vote—Health (National Cervical Screening Programme) Amendment Bill 
[Volume:615;Page:11341] 
Points of Order 
Party Vote—Health (National Cervical Screening Programme) Amendment Bill 
JOHN CARTER (Senior Whip—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. Just towards the end of the Committee stage as the Chairman was leaving the Chair—and he did so quite correctly—a point of order was taken by a member of the Greens who indicated that he had endeavoured to vote against the bill but for whatever reason had not been heard or perhaps did not express himself etc. I just want to point out that any party or member at any time can seek leave to correct a vote if they wish to do so and the member might want to take that into account at some stage. 
MIKE WARD (Green) 
: 
 I did in fact seek to register a vote against. I said “The Noes have it.” but I was not heard. I sought a party vote but I am a little new to this place. I noticed that when Mr Carter sought a point of order he was ignored as well. So I was not heard. 
Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: The member is seeking leave then? 
MIKE WARD 
: I am seeking leave to change the vote for the Greens. 
Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: There was no vote. 
MIKE WARD 
: I seek leave for a vote—because I did so at the time. 
Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: There was no vote. What the member could do is seek leave to recommit the bill and we would have to go back into Committee and take the vote in Committee. 
JOHN CARTER (Senior Whip—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker I know that the House at the end of the day can do just about anything it wants I guess by leave but you may need to take advice from the Clerk. But I wondered in the circumstances whether it is possible to seek leave to amend the records in order to show that the Greens did want their vote recorded. That might be an easier way than recommitting the bill. I do not know that anyone would be keen to go back into Committee. But the member could seek leave. It may mean we have to suspend the Standing Orders and I do not know that we would agree to that necessarily. But anyway it is just a thought. 
Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: The member could seek leave but nobody voted. There was no vote—that is what I am saying. So the member would have to seek leave for there to be a full vote. 
PETER BROWN (Senior Whip—NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. I draw the attention of the House to the fact that that vote was on the title. It seems to me to be a total waste of time to go back to the title. The Greens will have their opportunity in due course to vote fully against the bill. 
Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: That really is for the House to decide on leave being sought. If Mr Ward wants to test that remembering that anyone can deny leave that is his right. 
Peter Brown 
: I will be denying leave. 
MIKE WARD (Green) 
: 
 In view of the fact that Peter Brown has already said he will not permit it there is no point in going ahead. So I will leave it. 
Madam DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: OK. Thank you.
Urgent Debates Declined — Education—How do effective schools manage their finances? 
Urgent Debates Declined — Education—How do effective schools manage their finances? 
[Volume:620;Page:15671] 
Urgent Debates Declined 
Education— 
How do effective schools manage their finances? 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I have received a letter from Bernie Ogilvy seeking to debate under Standing Order 373 the release of a report into how schools manage their finances. This is a particular case of recent occurrence involving ministerial responsibility but I do not consider that it requires the immediate attention of the House by way of an urgent debate. There will be many parliamentary opportunities to examine the report’s significance. The application is therefore declined.
Prebble Richard: Points of Order — Resource Management Amendment Bill (No 2) Questions for Written Answer 
Prebble Richard: Points of Order — Resource Management Amendment Bill (No 2) Questions for Written Answer 
[Volume:607;Page:4270] 
Hon RICHARD PREBBLE (Leader—ACT NZ) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I am pleased to hear that you are doing that but I think you should also when you are doing it realise what the opinions of other members of the House are. I just say that you have an obligation as Speaker to protect the rights of the minority. That is your oath.
Vote: Health Practitioners Competence Assurance Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Health Practitioners Competence Assurance Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:611;Page:8165] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 69 
Labour 52; Green Party 9; United Future 8. 
Noes 47 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 7. 
Motion agreed to.
Dalziel Lianne: Health Practitioners Competence Assurance Bill — In Committee 
Dalziel Lianne: Health Practitioners Competence Assurance Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:611;Page:8075] 
Hon LIANNE DALZIEL (Minister of Commerce) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Peck Mark: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
Peck Mark: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Volume:616;Page:12530] 
11.  
MARK PECK (Labour—Invercargill) 
 to the  
Minister for Small Business 
: What reports has he received on economic growth in the small-business sector? 
Hon JOHN TAMIHERE (Minister for Small Business) 
: 
 According to the National Bank  
Small Business Monitor 
—a very reputable business monitor—released today year-on-year growth in the small business sector was 4.7 percent at the end of the December quarter. Under the stewardship of this Government over the last 4 years the small to medium enterprises sector has produced tens of thousands of jobs in a stellar performance. That is more evidence that under this Government the economy is powering along under the great stewardship of a Minister of Finance who will undoubtedly go down as this nation’s finest. 
Mark Peck 
: Did the report highlight any significant shifts in business opinion? 
Hon JOHN TAMIHERE 
: For the first time the  
Small Business Monitor 
 indicated that less than 20 percent of small to medium enterprises saw regulation as the biggest problem they faced. That clearly shows that our programme of active engagement with real business people is working. This is a Government that goes out and talks to the real Kiwi business battlers rather than listening to the whingeing whining and moaning of the Opposition. 
John Key 
: If the Minister thinks that the National Bank surveys are glowingly accurate as he indicated before how does he reconcile that with last week’s National Bank survey on business confidence where there was a collapse in business confidence akin to the one reported by the New Zealand Institute of Economic Research today; and what impact does he think that will have on economic growth in terms of small businesses? 
Hon JOHN TAMIHERE 
: We take a large range of surveys into account and most of them show businesses will employ more people build more capacity and support this Government contrary to John Key’s popular belief. 
Paul Adams 
: Does the Minister acknowledge that small enterprises are closing down as a direct result of new regulations and compliance costs such as Whangarei Parafed a volunteer transport service for the disabled that has been operating for 29 years and that no amount of spin can cover up the fact that real people are suffering just because of some bureaucratic busy-work? 
Hon JOHN TAMIHERE 
: I was not aware that volunteer services were small businesses in the sense of being economic entities relevant to being GST-registered and the like. I regret that. 
Paul Adams 
: I seek leave to table the article in the  
New Zealand Herald 
 of Wednesday 7 April titled “Red tape halts volunteer taxi”. 
Document by leave laid on the Table of the House. 
John Key 
: I seek leave to table the National Bank business survey of last week which shows that business confidence is collapsing in New Zealand. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to table that survey. Is there any objection? There is objection.
Peters Winston: Points of Order — Question—Misleading Information 
Peters Winston: Points of Order — Question—Misleading Information 
[Volume:609;Page:6329] 
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. You will recall that some of us have been very assiduous in demanding that Ministers who mislead the House come down to the House at the first available opportunity after their knowledge of misleading of the House and correct the mistake. It is clear that yesterday a question was asked in the House by Mr Hide the content of which was demonstrably untrue. I would like to give Mr Hide an opportunity to correct that information now before he mistakenly asks any more questions on it.
Vote: New Zealand Trade and Enterprise Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
Vote: New Zealand Trade and Enterprise Bill — Instruction to CommitteeCWH In Committee 
[Volume:609;Page:6308] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 9 
Green Party 9. 
Noes 110 
Labour 52; New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 8; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 93 in the name of Rod Donald to clause 56 be agreed to.
Brownlee Gerry: Business Statement 
Brownlee Gerry: Business Statement 
[Volume:617;Page:12911] 
GERRY BROWNLEE (Deputy Leader—National) 
: 
 Recalling a bold headline of a couple of weeks ago I ask the Minister to indicate when the Civil Union Bill might be brought before the House.
Tabling of Documents — Spring Hill Corrections Facility 
Tabling of Documents — Spring Hill Corrections Facility 
[Volume:617;Page:12621] 
Tabling of Documents 
Spring Hill Corrections Facility 
Hon PAUL SWAIN (Minister of Corrections) 
: 
 I seek leave to table an amended breakdown of iwi expenditure relating to Spring Hill Corrections Facility which was originally tabled on 23 March 2004. This amended breakdown is part of a report I released last month. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Is there any objection to that course being followed? 
JOHN CARTER (Senior Whip—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. Can you clarify for me whether the document is an amendment or correction of an answer? I am unclear as to what the Minister is asking us to do. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: It was nothing to do with a question. It was to do with a document that was tabled. 
JOHN CARTER (Senior Whip—National) 
: 
 Just as clarification then was the document that was tabled inaccurate in the first place and is the Minister now tabling a corrected version? 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I ask the Hon Paul Swain to take a call. 
Hon PAUL SWAIN (Minister of Corrections) 
: 
 It is not directly to do with the answer but I said I would table a document as part of the answer. I tabled the document. Further work was done and new figures appeared. This amended table is part of the report I released recently. 
Document by leave laid on the Table of the House.
Hereora Dave: Resource Management Amendment Bill (No 2) — In Committee 
Hereora Dave: Resource Management Amendment Bill (No 2) — In Committee 
[Volume:608;Page:5587] 
DAVE HEREORA (NZ Labour) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Benson-Pope David: New Organisms and Other Matters Bill — First Reading 
Benson-Pope David: New Organisms and Other Matters Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:608;Page:5347] 
DAVID BENSON-POPE (NZ Labour—Dunedin South) 
: 
 I am pleased to rise in support of this legislation. I must say that I am disappointed at the irrelevant and personal comments made by the previous speaker. I think they do not do him the House or the process any credit.
Vote: Minimum Wage Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Vote: Minimum Wage Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:608;Page:5157] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 40 
Noes 76 
Amendment not agreed to. 
New Zealand National 26; ACT New Zealand 6; United Future 8. 
Labour 52; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; Progressive 2.
Cullen Michael: Appropriation (2005/06 Estimates) Bill — First Reading 
Cullen Michael: Appropriation (2005/06 Estimates) Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:625;Page:20737] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Minister of Finance) 
: 
 I move  
That the Appropriation (2005/06 Estimates) Bill be now read a first time. 
Bill read a first time.
Privilege — Hon Harry Duynhoven—Dutch Citizenship 
Privilege — Hon Harry Duynhoven—Dutch Citizenship 
[Volume:610;Page:7211] 
Privilege 
Hon Harry Duynhoven—Dutch Citizenship 
Mr SPEAKER 
: The Hon Harry Duynhoven has raised with me a question relating to the application of section 55(1)(c) of the Electoral Act. The matter concerns Mr Duynhoven’s Dutch citizenship a citizenship which he has held from his birth but which he lost in 1995 and regained following a change in Dutch law last month. 
As questions relating to the right of members to sit in the House have always been treated as questions of privilege I have determined that a question of privilege is involved in respect of this matter. It consequently stands referred to the Privileges Committee for consideration. I hope that the committee will give this matter its highest priority. 
I will be guided in my actions under the Electoral Act by the committee’s report and the House’s conclusions on it.
Peters Jim: Mercenary Activities (Prohibition) Bill — First Reading 
Peters Jim: Mercenary Activities (Prohibition) Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:613;Page:9771] 
JIM PETERS (NZ First) 
: 
 New Zealand First will not be supporting the Mercenary Activities (Prohibition) Bill. From the practical military experiences of our caucus—not shared by other caucuses—New Zealand First believes that this bill is not well considered. In fact under this bill’s definition a member of our caucus would have been a mercenary. 
Hon Phil Goff 
: Nonsense! 
JIM PETERS 
: It is quite true—he would have been a mercenary. This bill is merely a belated attempt to try to catch up with and become part of the international politically correct community. It does not accept that mercenaries have been and still are a legitimate part of armed conflict worldwide. It is not our intention to support an ill-considered attempt to merit international favour at the cost of a long tradition that many of our ex-soldiers have been a party to. 
If I had to go to the select committee I could quote people who in other years have been part of other armed forces who have worked in the best interests of a country and have maintained stability for Governments abroad. In this country those people would be considered liable under this bill and fined or convicted for up to 14 years. That really is a nonsense. This bill is a quick attempt to become part of the international politically correct community. 
My colleague who has just arrived in the Chamber will speak further on the matter. New Zealand First does not support this bill for the reasons I have given and which will be outlined further.
Vote: Ngaa Rauru Kiitahi Claims Settlement Bill — In Committee Third Reading 
Vote: Ngaa Rauru Kiitahi Claims Settlement Bill — In Committee Third Reading 
[Volume:627;Page:21918] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That schedule 12 be agreed to. 
Ayes 63 
New Zealand Labour 51; Green Party 9; Progressive 2; Maori Party 1. 
Noes 55 
New Zealand National 25; New Zealand First 13; ACT New Zealand 9; United Future 8. 
Schedule 12 agreed to.
Parker David: Lawyers and Conveyancers Bill — Second Reading 
Parker David: Lawyers and Conveyancers Bill — Second Reading 
[Volume:624;Page:19381] 
DAVID PARKER (Labour—Otago) 
: 
 I will deal with the last issue which Dr Mapp said is so wrong and that is the abolition of Queen’s Counsel and their replacement with Senior Counsel. At the moment we have the absurd system whereby someone can be a good enough barrister in court to be appointed a judge of the High Court but cannot be accorded the title of Queen’s Counsel or as they are to become Senior Counsel. What a nonsense that Jock Hodder senior partner in Chapman Tripp cannot have a title that recognises the excellence of his advocacy. He is every bit as able as any Queen’s Counsel in New Zealand. There are plenty of other examples but I need not go into them. 
Despite what members have heard from Dr Mapp—they might think that he will vote against the bill—he actually supports the bill. This legislation reforms the law that relates to the control of lawyers. Lawyers do have a monopoly so it is important that the State regulates that monopoly. But it is also important that protections remain for people who use lawyers. We are introducing a new role for conveyancers so that they can compete for residential conveyancing and the like but it is important that we maintain some protections for people who use the services of conveyancers. After all the most important financial transaction that any or most of us ever embark upon is the sale or purchase of a house and it is important that there be some consumer protections in place for people who use either lawyers or conveyancers. I am happy to support this legislation as does I note the Law Society.
Pettis Jill: Aquaculture Reform Bill — First Reading 
Pettis Jill: Aquaculture Reform Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:619;Page:15122] 
JILL PETTIS (Labour—Whanganui) 
: 
 I want to speak only very briefly to this bill because—[ 
Interruption 
] Gosh those members are a card! This is an important bill and it is most important for the industry and all those who are associated with it that we assist in passing this bill through the House as quickly as we can. One of the aspects of this bill that I find particularly pleasing is that at long last we have a Government that is providing leadership on important issues. Combined with providing that leadership we also have protections in place to protect our natural environment and that is particularly important. This is a good bill and I look forward to it passing through the House as quickly as possible.
Imprest Supply (Second for 2004/05) Bill — Third Reading 
Imprest Supply (Second for 2004/05) Bill — Third Reading 
[Volume:619;Page:14984] 
Imprest Supply (Second for 2004/05) Bill 
Third Reading 
Hon DAVID BENSON-POPE (Minister of Fisheries)  
on behalf of the Minister of Finance 
: 
 I move  
That the Imprest Supply (Second for 2004/05) Bill be now read a third time 
. 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Imprest Supply (Second for 2004/05) Bill be now read a third time. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand Labour 51; United Future 8; Progressive 2. 
Noes 59 
New Zealand National 27; New Zealand First 13; Green Party 9; ACT New Zealand 8; Maori Party 1; Independent: Awatere Huata. 
Bill read a third time.
Vote: Foreshore and Seabed Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Foreshore and Seabed Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:621;Page:17120] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the motion be agreed to. 
Ayes 66 
New Zealand Labour 51; New Zealand First 13; Progressive 2. 
Noes 51 
New Zealand National 27; Green Party 9; ACT New Zealand 6; United Future 8; Maori Party 1. 
Motion agreed to. 
The question was put that the following amendment in the name of Metiria Turei to clause 86 be agreed to: 
to omit the words “following subsection” and substitute the words “following subsections”.
Ardern Shane: Resource Management (Waitaki Catchment) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
Ardern Shane: Resource Management (Waitaki Catchment) Amendment Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:619;Page:15358] 
SHANE ARDERN (National—Taranaki-King Country) 
: 
 It was interesting to hear the member who represents the local area and who is—apparently—the Minister of Agriculture tell us that water— 
Progress reported.