White HelenHELEN WHITE (Labour—Mt Albert): I'd love to take a call on this but I'd also first of all like to say that I will be reading what Ginny Andersen has just suggested I do because it's a subject that I think we all do need to handle in a way that is as cross-party as possible. I was listening to the speeches from various people who've given substantive contributions and there are speeches on each side of the House that I respect. This is a really difficult area.I started life in Kawerau. A lot of the people that I started life with had kind of two pathways they could take and one was into the gangs. I was grateful to not actually grow up in an environment where that was going on because it was a very severe reality that they faced. I recently went past a big gang funeral and I felt the degree of intimidation even just in the urban environment of one of those big meetings. But it also made me think that you had to be careful about the reaction that you had to these things because what we really need to do is change something very serious that's been going down in New Zealand society not just make the right noises and make people feel better for 2½ minutes and change nothing and in fact make the problem worse. The gravity of the problem is the challenge to us that we must not dog-whistle; we must actually do what makes a difference here.So I will be taking a very interested role in schooling up between now and the next reading of this because I want to make sure that whatever happens next really is effective and the Labour Party will be voting with its conscience in terms of whether what is put up is likely to have a good effect. We can't obviously guarantee that but it's a really important thing.I also take note of the comments that have been made by the Attorney-General on this. They're serious comments. One of the things I noticed was that there was a serious misgiving about some of the provisions because other alternatives that might not have breached as many rights had not been examined fully. I hope that the inquiry that happens next at select committee will be an opportunity to look at those. There was a real issue around time frames I appreciate and this now going through a process means that we can look at those things and take that seriously because we always have to be careful what we wish for in a situation where we start to look at these kinds of slippery slopes.That's a real thing; it's not something that liberals say. It's not woke. There are slippery slopes and we really do have to be careful. So I think we should never apologise for being careful about that.I was concerned and I have questions about the issue of whānau and the number of people in a group that we're looking at people consorting with because there is a difference between what I described—a large gathering. Now ironically the funeral was one of the exemptions here but it's a very big difference between the kind of reaction that human beings have when they're in a large group and the need they have for that close-knit support and I was thinking about the definition that I read of whānau" here. I was thinking about the people I know who are perhaps a little bit on the edge in my extended family and those are the very people who wouldn't fit within the group because the definition isn't large enough to encounter them. They have people who might not be acting as parent but might be acting as family and they are close to them and they're the ones on the edge. Pushing them out excluding them making it difficult to communicate with them isn't actually going to help a situation; it's going to hinder it in terms of bringing those people back within the fold of a functional family and support system.So these things I take seriously these things the Labour Party takes seriously and we do accept we have a problem so we want to be part of a proper solution but I respect the need for this to go to a select committee and to be truly ironed out. Thank you."