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Blue Jackie: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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[Sitting date: 21 February 2013. Volume:687;Page:8106. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
10. 
Dr JACKIE BLUE (National) 
 to the  
Minister of Health 
: What reports has he received on the Government’s Better Public Service target for immunisation? 
Hon TONY RYALL (Minister of Health) 
: 
 The latest national health targets will be published next week and they will show that we finished last year with 89 percent of 8-month-olds in New Zealand completing their first three courses of immunisation on time. This exceeds the national health target for immunisation. We were aiming to have 85 percent of our 8-month-olds completing their first three immunisations by July of this year so we are 6 months ahead. This is really a testament to the hard work of our front-line immunisation teams who have taken our country from having one of the lowest immunisation rates in the world to having one of the highest in the past 4 years. 
Dr Jackie Blue 
: What initiatives have contributed to achieving this national health target? 
Hon TONY RYALL 
: The Government has for example introduced automatic enrolment so when babies are born they are now automatically enrolled in a general practice and we have also taken several additional steps to assist preventing whooping cough making the vaccine available to pregnant mothers and also to front-line health workers. That has been free since 2009. What we know is that 70 percent of babies who contract whooping cough in the first few weeks of life catch it from their parents or other close family members and what we know is that if kids begin their immunisations on time this significantly increases the likelihood that they will receive all their childhood vaccinations.
Auchinvole Chris: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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8. 
CHRIS AUCHINVOLE (National) 
 to the  
Minister of Labour 
: What progress can he report on the Government’s Pike River Implementation Plan? 
Hon SIMON BRIDGES (Minister of Labour) 
: 
 Earlier today I announced the creation of a new Crown agent. This was one of the main recommendations of the Pike River royal commission and was supported by the Independent Taskforce on Workplace Health and Safety. The workplace health and safety functions that currently sit within the Ministry of Business Innovation and Employment will transfer to the new agency. We plan to introduce legislation to establish the Crown agent in June with the agency expected to be in place by the end of the year. 
Chris Auchinvole 
: How will the Crown agent fit with the wider health and safety reform programme? 
Hon SIMON BRIDGES 
: The establishment of a Crown agent is a significant part of the Government’s reform programme and shows our strong commitment to addressing New Zealand’s unacceptable health and safety record. It will have a dedicated focus on workplace health and safety and will enforce relevant regulations. 
Andrew Little 
: Why don’t you say sorry? 
Hon SIMON BRIDGES 
: If the member has got something to say why does he not ask a question after? Further reform of our health and safety system— 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Order! It shows the difficulty of members interjecting. Would the Minister answer the question. 
Hon SIMON BRIDGES 
: Further reform of our health and safety system will be announced after the Government considers the bulk of the recommendations of the independent health and safety task force which are due in April. Indeed these reforms are on top of our Pike River Implementation Plan which we will carry out this year.
Carter David: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Mr SPEAKER 
: Order! The member has a right to have his question heard.
Norman Russel: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Norman Russel: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Dr RUSSEL NORMAN (Co-Leader—Green) 
: 
 Thank you Mr Speaker—[ 
Interruption 
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Turia Tariana: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Turia Tariana: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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4. 
Hon TARIANA TURIA (Co-Leader—Maori Party) 
 to the  
Minister of Internal Affairs 
: Will he agree to follow the lead of many of our major trading partners including Canada Australia the United States the United Kingdom and China and introduce a ten-year passport option and if not why not? 
Hon CHRIS TREMAIN (Minister of Internal Affairs) 
: 
 I am willing to consider changes but I am not convinced that a 10-year passport is necessary. A better option may be to enable New Zealanders to get 5 full years of use out of their current passports. Moving to 10 years would require a large increase in the passport fees at a time when we have just reduced fees by almost 20 percent. The 5-year period also enables us to update security and technology features on the passport and on SmartGate much more quickly to reduce counterfeiting and to gain visa-free access to more countries. 
Hon Tariana Turia 
: Does he agree that given that Maori and Pasifika families are larger on average and that they travel either to Pacific nations or to Australia where increasingly their families are living they carry a heavier financial burden if passports need to be renewed twice as often and what does he intend to do about this inequity? 
Hon CHRIS TREMAIN 
: Yes I do agree that Maori and Pasifika families are larger on average but moving to a 10-year passport would create an estimated $200 million shortfall in the passports account. This would need to be made up by higher fees which would be carried by users and Maori and Pasifika families would fall into that category. We have already reduced the cost of a passport by close to 20 percent. I think all customers including Maori and Pasifika families are currently getting good value for money. And importantly because children’s passports are subsidised by nearly 50 percent large families actually benefit over other passport users. 
Hon Tariana Turia 
: So is the Minister saying that the reason for the reduction from a 10-year passport to a 5-year one was to enable the Government to accrue revenue? 
Hon CHRIS TREMAIN 
: No I do not say that but I have a quote from someone else who said that “A shorter validity period will help New Zealand keep ahead of fraudsters by retaining a leading edge in technology.” That was said by George Hawkins in 2005. 
Rt Hon Winston Peters 
: I seek leave to table a list of the First World countries with 10-year passport times and the Third World countries like New Zealand with 5-year passport times. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to table that document. Is there any objection? There is no objection. It can be so tabled. 









Document by leave laid on the Table of the House.
Carter David: Points of Order — Equal Pay Amendment Bill—Leave for Introduction and First Reading 
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[Sitting date: 21 February 2013. Volume:687;Page:8091. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to table a member’s bill. Is there any objection? There is.
Mallard Trevor: Business Statement 
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Mallard Trevor: Business Statement 
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Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 Can I ask the acting Leader of the House when it is the Government’s intention to introduce the legislation that is necessary for the Skycity convention centre?
Finlayson Christopher: Business Statement 
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Finlayson Christopher: Business Statement 
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Hon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON (Attorney-General) 
 on behalf of the Leader of the House: When the House resumes on Tuesday 26 February the Government will look to progress the Child Support Amendment Bill the Environment Canterbury (Temporary Commissioners and Improved Water Management) Amendment Bill the Patents Bill and the Corrections Amendment Bill.
Bennett David: International Finance Agreements Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
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Bennett David: International Finance Agreements Amendment Bill — Third Reading 
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DAVID BENNETT (National—Hamilton East) 
: 
 I hope that New Zealanders were listening to that last speech because that is the radical plan of the Green Party from somebody who has no idea of economics but has read one book by some extreme person and thinks that he is going to change and be the saviour of world economics. That is completely inappropriate for New Zealand going forward. 
The other good thing about what you just heard before is that the Labour Party and the Green Party cannot agree. These are the people who want to work together to form a Government. What did Russel Norman say about the Labour Party? He said that it made ridiculous attacks on the Green Party. Remember that—ridiculous attacks. In Opposition they cannot work together. Imagine what they would do to the livelihoods of New Zealanders. Imagine what they would do to New Zealand’s interest rates. Imagine what they would do to New Zealanders’ jobs. They will kill this country. They will kill this economy. Never trust them—never trust them. That is the thing that should have come out of the debate today. 
The Labour Party also talked about some of the issues around what it wants to do around the exchange rate. This is great policy. We have had the Governor of the Reserve Bank come in and tell us that you would be doing last resort economics to have to change this. I ask you this question and I want New Zealanders out there to think about this: what does Australia do around its exchange rate that is different from us? 
Hon Members 
: Nothing. 
DAVID BENNETT 
: Nothing. What does Australia do that is different from us? Nothing. We have got the saviour of world economics reading one article from somebody who is not even IMF-approved and telling us that we should take a radical approach to economics and put everything in New Zealand at risk. Imagine what this would do to the relationship between us and our biggest trading partner Australia. If we take a different approach from the Australians— 
Aaron Gilmore 
: Not good. 
DAVID BENNETT 
: That is not good—it is not good. It is going to hurt our banking sector it is going to hurt interest rates and it will hurt New Zealanders. New Zealanders should be listening to this debate hearing the wacky ideas of the Green Party and Labour Party and understanding that that would put their livelihoods at risk. They should remember that we have their best interests at stake and they should follow that. Thank you.
Business Statement 
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Business Statement 
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Thursday 21 February 2013 
Mr Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Prayers 
. 
Business Statement 
Hon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON (Attorney-General) 
 on behalf of the Leader of the House: When the House resumes on Tuesday 26 February the Government will look to progress the Child Support Amendment Bill the Environment Canterbury (Temporary Commissioners and Improved Water Management) Amendment Bill the Patents Bill and the Corrections Amendment Bill. 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 Can I ask the acting Leader of the House when it is the Government’s intention to introduce the legislation that is necessary for the Skycity convention centre? 
Hon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON (Attorney-General) 
: 
 I would not have a clue. He can send a text to the Leader of the House and get an answer.
Points of Order — Equal Pay Amendment Bill—Leave for Introduction and First Reading 
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Points of Order 
Equal Pay Amendment Bill—Leave for Introduction and First Reading 
CATHERINE DELAHUNTY (Green) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. On Equal Pay Day I seek leave for a member’s bill the Equal Pay Amendment Bill to be introduced forthwith and for it to be set down for first reading as members’ order of the day No. 1 on the next members’ day. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought to table a member’s bill. Is there any objection? There is.
Upston Louise: Privacy Amendment Bill Tax Administration Amendment Bill Births Deaths Marriages and Relationships Registration Amendment Bill — Third Readings 
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[Sitting date: 21 February 2013. Volume:687;Page:8123. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
LOUISE UPSTON (National—Taupo) 
: 
 I stand to take offence on behalf of the thousands of public servants who every day in this country look after the precious information of New Zealanders. I am objecting to the comments of the speaker who has just resumed his seat Gareth Hughes for insulting the work that they do on a daily basis. I disagree that there is a systemic failure in the way that the public’s information is managed. Have we had some issues? Absolutely. Have those issues been fronted? Very much so. 
I am very pleased that the Labour Opposition members are supporting this legislation. They can see that it is important to get the balance right in terms of enabling the citizens of New Zealand to interact with our Government agencies in an electronic way—in ways that suit them best. It is important that Government agencies are able to be more agile in dealing with constituents but also have the private information protected and are able to look at some of the issues that we have had and make sure that there are protections in place. 
So I am proud of the Government making sure that we do have better public services. I take offence on behalf of the thousands of public servants up and down this country who do the best job they can on a daily basis. I am proud to support this legislation.
Sabin Mike: Privacy Amendment Bill Tax Administration Amendment Bill Births Deaths Marriages and Relationships Registration Amendment Bill — Third Readings 
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Sabin Mike: Privacy Amendment Bill Tax Administration Amendment Bill Births Deaths Marriages and Relationships Registration Amendment Bill — Third Readings 
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MIKE SABIN (National—Northland) 
: 
 I am pleased to take a call and I just acknowledge the comments from the member who has just resumed his seat Trevor Mallard and other contributions. It seems to be that this is fairly well supported legislation arising from the Privacy (Information Sharing) Bill other than some of the comments we hear coming from the “watermelon patch” which we have come to expect in this place. This legislation is really about— 
Hon Trevor Mallard 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. To refer to a member or a group of members as a watermelon patch is clearly out of order and I would hope that you ask the member to withdraw and apologise. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch) 
: Well that phrase has been used on many occasions and the Green Party members to whom it was directed did not themselves take offence— 
Hon Member 
: We’ve got thick skins. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch) 
: They have got thick skins. So I just ask the member to be careful in his approach but that phrase has been used. 
MIKE SABIN 
: Certainly. I will not be talking about fruit from that part of the House any longer. 
Hon Trevor Mallard 
: Here go the homophobes. 
MIKE SABIN 
: Settle down Mr Mallard. Settle down Mr Mallard you are chewing up my minute. This legislation is really about achieving the appropriate balance in modernising the way in which agencies are dealing with information and sharing information in a pragmatic— 
Hon Trevor Mallard 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I did treat it lightly but I think you know that the expression used is a classic homophobic expression and it should not be used with regard to members in this House. 
The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch) 
: I will ask the member just to focus on the speech. 
MIKE SABIN 
: Certainly. In the 20 seconds I have remaining to discuss the legislation can I just say that what this legislation achieves is the sort of synchronisation of information sharing and exchange of information that will provide members of the public with a modern and pragmatic means for them to do business with Government agencies. With the adequate safeguards in place I see there being no real challenge in this which is why we have seen the acceptance across the House albeit grudgingly. But this is good legislation and I am happy to commend it to the House.
Carter David: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Carter David: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Sitting date: 21 February 2013. Volume:687;Page:8108. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I am advised that a correction to an answer can only be taken by a personal explanation by leave by that particular Minister or Prime Minister. He is not here today so his opportunity if he wishes to do so would be next question time.
Mallard Trevor: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Mallard Trevor: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Sitting date: 21 February 2013. Volume:687;Page:8107. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I deliberately left this until the end of question. It is to ask you whether the obligation to correct an answer when the Minister becomes aware that it is incorrect flows to people who are acting for that Minister. It has been widely reported that the Prime Minister has indicated that he misled the House yesterday on the Television New Zealand matter. I wonder whether either the Deputy Prime Minister or the Minister acting for the Prime Minister is going to correct that answer now.
Delahunty Catherine: Points of Order — Equal Pay Amendment Bill—Leave for Introduction and First Reading 
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Delahunty Catherine: Points of Order — Equal Pay Amendment Bill—Leave for Introduction and First Reading 
[Sitting date: 21 February 2013. Volume:687;Page:8091. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
CATHERINE DELAHUNTY (Green) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. On Equal Pay Day I seek leave for a member’s bill the Equal Pay Amendment Bill to be introduced forthwith and for it to be set down for first reading as members’ order of the day No. 1 on the next members’ day.
Finlayson Christopher: Business Statement 
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Finlayson Christopher: Business Statement 
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Hon CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON (Attorney-General) 
: 
 I would not have a clue. He can send a text to the Leader of the House and get an answer.
Urgent Debates Declined — Skycity Convention Centre—Report of Deputy Auditor-General into Expressions of Interest Process 
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Urgent Debates Declined — Skycity Convention Centre—Report of Deputy Auditor-General into Expressions of Interest Process 
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Urgent Debates Declined 
Skycity Convention Centre—Report of Deputy Auditor-General into Expressions of Interest Process 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Would some honourable member care to move that the House take note of miscellaneous business? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I apologise to members but I think there was an urgent debate you might have to rule on. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: I do apologise Mr Mallard. I have received a letter from Grant Robertson seeking to debate under Standing Order 386 the report from the Deputy Controller and Auditor-General on the Skycity convention centre. The release of the report is a matter of recent occurrence. As an Auditor-General’s report there is no ministerial responsibility for the report itself though I do accept that it deals with matters involving ministerial responsibility. 
The test for whether a particular case requires the immediate attention of the House is a high one. The report finds no evidence that the final decision to negotiate with Skycity was influenced by any inappropriate consideration but it raises some process concerns. There must be an element of urgency for a matter to take precedence over other business. Working through the concerns raised may take some time. The purpose of an urgent debate is to hold the Government accountable for its decisions. The Government is accountable for the concerns raised but this is an ongoing matter. To warrant an urgent debate being held there must be a new situation or decision of importance in itself. Good practice for public sector purchasing is important to public confidence and our system of government but I am not convinced that the matters have reached the point where I would be justified in setting aside the business of the House today. There are other occasions on which this matter can be debated. The application is therefore declined.
Voting — Tasman District Council (Validation and Recovery of Certain Rates) Bill—Mana Party Votes 
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Voting 
Tasman District Council (Validation and Recovery of Certain Rates) Bill—Mana Party Votes 
EUGENIE SAGE (Green) 
: 
 My apologies Mr Speaker. I seek leave to have it recorded in the  
Journals of the House 
 that the Mana Party wished to vote in the negative on the Tasman District Council (Validation and Recovery of Certain Rates) Bill which the House was previously dealing with. 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: You were tasked with that responsibility? 
EUGENIE SAGE 
: Yes and I did not carry that out. 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought that it might be recorded in the  
Journals  
that the Mana Party wished to vote. We are not changing the vote. Leave is sought for that purpose. Is there anyone opposed to that course of action? There appears not. Leave is granted. 
Hon MICHAEL WOODHOUSE (Minister of Immigration) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I just want to clarify through the Green Party member—the way I heard it described and you accurately and faithfully recorded it I think the intention was that the  
Hansard 
 be adjusted which is possible with the leave of the House. I just wanted to check— 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Let me try to help the member because it is a little unusual what we have had happen. I think the member asked that the  
Journals  
record that it was the intention of the Mana Party to vote against it not to change the vote because the vote had taken place. We cannot actually do that. So that is all that will be recorded in  
Hansard 
. Right? Is everybody clear?
Sabin Mike: Holidays (Full Recognition of Waitangi Day and ANZAC Day) Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
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Sabin Mike: Holidays (Full Recognition of Waitangi Day and ANZAC Day) Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
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MIKE SABIN (National—Northland) 
: 
 It is a pleasure to rise and take a call as a new member of the Transport and Industrial Relations Committee. I am privileged to take up the deputy chairman’s role on the committee and join this discussion. 
Can I firstly acknowledge the work of David Clark on this Holidays (Full Recognition of Waitangi Day and ANZAC Day) Amendment Bill. He is a hard-working young man which of course puts him in the distinct minority in the Labour caucus. But none the less he is a hard-working young bloke and has brought an interesting bill before the House. 
There has been some discussion this evening about where days fall. I want to reflect back on 25 April 1915 because it was not days that were falling; it was Kiwis and Australians who were falling on the blood-soaked beaches of Gallipoli in the name of freedom peace and the democracy that we enjoy in this country and is enjoyed around this world today. Anzac Day is something that is etched into the hearts and minds of every New Zealander. I think everyone in this House would concede that. As a former naval officer I feel very strongly about the importance of that day in signifying the reverence and the remembrance that Anzac Day has now become. It is a day on which we celebrate our nation and those who have fallen in the name of our nation and indeed in the name of world peace. The commemoration of Anzac Day happens on one day and one day alone and that is 25 April. 
Andrew Little 
: That doesn’t change. 
Darien Fenton 
: Not in the workplace. You changed the law. That party changed the law so that that holiday can be transferred in the workplace. 
MIKE SABIN 
: There are certainly some valid points coming from the other side about work-life balance—something that those Kiwis never had a chance to experience because they are still lying on the shores of Gallipoli. 
I want to just focus on Waitangi Day. As the member of Parliament for Northland obviously this day holds special significance to me but it actually holds special significance to all New Zealanders. On 6 February 1840 the Treaty of Waitangi was signed and there will only ever be one Waitangi Day. The name of this bill is the Holidays (Full Recognition of Waitangi Day and ANZAC Day) Amendment Bill. Is it really full recognition? That is the question that I would have. Or is it just another long weekend?
Bennett David: Holidays (Full Recognition of Waitangi Day and ANZAC Day) Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
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Bennett David: Holidays (Full Recognition of Waitangi Day and ANZAC Day) Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
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DAVID BENNETT (National—Hamilton East) 
: 
 Thank you to the members of all parties who have taken part in the deliberations on the Holidays (Full Recognition of Waitangi Day and ANZAC Day) Amendment Bill at select committee level. I wish to pay special tribute to the sponsor of this bill Dr Clark who has done a fine job at the Transport and Industrial Relations Committee in bringing it forward. He has just made a speech about some of the reasons and the rationale behind what he is promoting. Unfortunately the National Party will not be supporting the bill at this juncture of the process but we do recognise the work that has gone into it and the role that has been taken by members of this House in looking at it through that process. 
Mr Clark’s speech talked about the bill being symbolic and there is an element of symbolism in it and there is an element of reality as well. As Mr Clark said over the next years leading up to 2021 and 2022 there are probably 6 days in total that the bill applies to. In essence it is a symbolic gesture in some ways but as has also been said it is an important gesture as well. But it does have a cost on an economy. It does have issues around those special days and the meaning of those special days. For those reasons the National Party declines to support the bill at this stage but we recognise the arguments made on either side of the debate and thank the House for its consideration and especially the select committee for its work on this issue. Thank you.
Vote: Habeas Corpus Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Habeas Corpus Amendment Bill be now read a second time. 
Ayes 112 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; Maori Party 2; ACT New Zealand 1; Mana 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 7 
New Zealand First 7. 
Bill read a second time.
McKelvie Ian: Habeas Corpus Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
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IAN McKELVIE (National—Rangitikei) 
: 
 I want to take a moment to congratulate the member Chris Auchinvole on what must be a most auspicious occasion for him which is getting his first member’s bill—it is emotional—to the end of its second reading. In fact I congratulate him so much so that I have invited the member to speak to my electorate in the next month on this topic. Thank you.
Vote: South Taranaki District Council (Cold Creek Rural Water Supply) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
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Vote: South Taranaki District Council (Cold Creek Rural Water Supply) Bill — Instruction to Committee In Committee 
[Sitting date: 20 February 2013. Volume:687;Page:8061. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That schedule 1 be agreed to. 
Ayes 95 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 34; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 24 
Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Maori Party 2; Mana 1. 
Schedule 1 agreed to.
Shanks Katrina: Habeas Corpus Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
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Shanks Katrina: Habeas Corpus Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
[Sitting date: 20 February 2013. Volume:687;Page:8079. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
KATRINA SHANKS (National) 
: 
 I think the issues on this bill the Habeas Corpus Amendment Bill have been well debated in this House today. I look forward to making a contribution in further readings. I commend this bill to the House.
Blue Jackie: Habeas Corpus Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
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Dr JACKIE BLUE (National) 
: 
 The Habeas Corpus Amendment Bill is an excellent bill and I commend my colleague Chris Auchinvole. I commend it to the House.
Robertson H V Ross: Habeas Corpus Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
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The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: I call—[ 
Interruption 
] Order! Have we finished? I call the honourable member Denis O’Rourke.
Ngaro Alfred: Habeas Corpus Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
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Ngaro Alfred: Habeas Corpus Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
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ALFRED NGARO (National) 
: 
 This Habeas Corpus Amendment Bill is a fine bill and I commend this bill to the House.
Robertson H V Ross: Habeas Corpus Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
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The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Let me have a look. I call the honourable member David Clendon.
Simpson Scott: Habeas Corpus Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
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Simpson Scott: Habeas Corpus Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
[Sitting date: 20 February 2013. Volume:687;Page:8072. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.] 
SCOTT SIMPSON (National—Coromandel) 
: 
 The Habeas Corpus Amendment Bill in the name of my colleague Chris Auchinvole is a good bill. The Justice and Electoral Committee—so ably chaired by my friend and former chair of that committee Tim Macindoe—in its report back has done a good job. I support and commend this bill to the House.
Roy Eric: Voting — Tasman District Council (Validation and Recovery of Certain Rates) Bill—Mana Party Votes 
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Roy Eric: Voting — Tasman District Council (Validation and Recovery of Certain Rates) Bill—Mana Party Votes 
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Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Let me try to help the member because it is a little unusual what we have had happen. I think the member asked that the  
Journals  
record that it was the intention of the Mana Party to vote against it not to change the vote because the vote had taken place. We cannot actually do that. So that is all that will be recorded in  
Hansard 
. Right? Is everybody clear?
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Hon MICHAEL WOODHOUSE (Minister of Immigration) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I just want to clarify through the Green Party member—the way I heard it described and you accurately and faithfully recorded it I think the intention was that the  
Hansard 
 be adjusted which is possible with the leave of the House. I just wanted to check—
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Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought that it might be recorded in the  
Journals  
that the Mana Party wished to vote. We are not changing the vote. Leave is sought for that purpose. Is there anyone opposed to that course of action? There appears not. Leave is granted.
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EUGENIE SAGE (Green) 
: 
 My apologies Mr Speaker. I seek leave to have it recorded in the  
Journals of the House 
 that the Mana Party wished to vote in the negative on the Tasman District Council (Validation and Recovery of Certain Rates) Bill which the House was previously dealing with. 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: You were tasked with that responsibility? 
EUGENIE SAGE 
: Yes and I did not carry that out.
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Hon DAMIEN O’CONNOR (Labour—West Coast - Tasman) 
: 
 I appreciate the opportunity to reply. I would like to just briefly thank the members for their support for the Tasman District Council (Validation and Recovery of Certain Rates) Bill. I know the Tasman District Council will be eternally grateful. 
We do not like any of us spending ratepayers’ money unnecessarily in the courts. There is still as I have said a point of contention and some debate. The Local Government and Environment Committee will no doubt hear about that and I am sure that the collective wisdom of the members will make a judgment and perhaps make an adjustment as well to accommodate what have been legitimate grievances against the council and the council can put its case to the members. So again placing faith in the parliamentary process I am sure the Tasman District Council will be well rewarded. The bill however should not have been necessary and it is a good lesson for all councils around the country. 
So thank you Mr Speaker. I thank the House and I look forward to the process through the Local Government and Environment Committee. 
Bill read a first time.  
Mana Party vote for the Noes ordered by the Speaker to be recorded in the  
Journals of the House of Representatives 
. 
Bill referred to the Local Government and Environment Committee.
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SCOTT SIMPSON (National—Coromandel) 
: 
 I would like to rise in support of my colleagues who have spoken previously on this Tasman District Council (Validation and Recovery of Certain Rates) Bill and to endorse it to the House.
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PAUL GOLDSMITH (National) 
: 
 I rise to speak in support of the Tasman District Council (Validation and Recovery of Certain Rates) Bill. The Tasman District Council got itself in a jam and it needs to be got out of it. I hope this bill will highlight to other councils the importance of proper scrutiny when setting their rates. I support this bill. Thank you.
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AARON GILMORE (National) 
: 
 I stand to support the Tasman District Council (Validation and Recovery of Certain Rates) Bill. I look forward to hearing about it in the Local Government and Environment Committee. It is a good key part of performing and improving local government in New Zealand. Thank you.
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JACQUI DEAN (National—Waitaki) 
: 
 National is supporting the Tasman District Council (Validation and Recovery of Certain Rates) Bill going to the Local Government and Environment Committee. This bill will validate rates set by the Tasman District Council for the period between 2003-04 and 2008-09 during which time the council did not follow correct process in setting rates. Thank you.
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JAMI-LEE ROSS (Junior Whip—National) 
: 
 We have general proxies I understand for any Supplementary Order Papers that it has not otherwise advised the National Party about.
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NICKY WAGNER (National—Christchurch Central) 
: 
 I rise to speak on this Tasman District Council (Validation and Recovery of Certain Rates) Bill at its first reading. As we have heard it is a local bill sponsored by Damien O’Connor. National will be supporting this bill going to the Local Government and Environment Committee. As we have heard from Damien O’Connor the bill will validate rates set by the Tasman District Council for the period from 2003-04 to 2008-09 during which time the council unfortunately did not follow correct process in setting rates. The bill will also validate rates and penalties paid over that period authorise the council to recover any unpaid rates and ratify the Tata Beach and Ligar Bay stormwater rate which Damien O’Connor has so clearly articulated to us. 
So how did the Tasman District Council get to this position? Well from 2003-04 to 2008-09 the council passed rates attached to the annual plan rather than ratifying each rate individually. The council also set rates before it had adopted the annual plan. Both activities breached the Local Government (Rating) Act 2002. The Act actually provides an avenue for councils to amend incorrectly set rates but the window of that time has now passed so this bill has come to Parliament. 
Damien O’Connor the bill’s sponsor has discussed the concerns of ratepayers and is convinced that the select committee will provide residents with an opportunity to express their views and for any appropriate changes to be made. National also wants to give affected residents the opportunity to engage with the select committee and is therefore supporting this bill at its first reading. 
The Government’s Better Local Government reforms are designed to make local government more efficient more responsive and better focused and that work includes a stream of work to monitor and improve council performance to help prevent future procedural errors such as these. The fact that the bill is coming to Parliament will raise these issues with other councils and underline the importance of correct procedures when setting rates. In relation to the Tasman District Council processes the bill is needed to validate certain rates set incorrectly. Without validation the council remains vulnerable to legal challenge from ratepayers over incorrectly set rates and is unable to recover unpaid rates and penalties. 
I can assure Mr O’Connor that the Local Government and Environment Committee looks forward to working on this bill and will give every submission a fair hearing. This is an important bill and we look forward to that work. Thank you.
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That clause 2 be agreed to. 
Ayes 95 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 34; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 24 
Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Maori Party 2; Mana 1. 
Clause 2 agreed to. 
Bill reported without amendment. 
Report adopted.
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That clause 1 be agreed to. 
Ayes 95 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 34; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 24 
Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Maori Party 2; Mana 1. 
Clause 1 agreed to.
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That schedule 2 be agreed to. 
Ayes 95 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 34; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 24 
Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Maori Party 2; Mana 1. 
Schedule 2 agreed to.
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 3 be agreed to. 
Ayes 95 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 34; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 24 
Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Maori Party 2; Mana 1. 
Part 3 agreed to.
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 2 be agreed to. 
Ayes 95 
New Zealand National 59; New Zealand Labour 34; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 24 
Green Party 14; New Zealand First 7; Maori Party 2; Mana 1. 
Part 2 agreed to.
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The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch) 
: No. Look within parties the authority between whips is up to them and it does not matter who casts that vote. So I am going to declare the vote on the amendment: the Ayes are 56 the Noes are 63; the amendment is not agreed to.