Sepuloni CarmelCARMEL SEPULONI (Labour—Kelston): I just want to raise a few points that have not been raised already about the purpose of this bill and then I am going to go to clause 43. I raised some issues on that before but the Minister in the chair Anne Tolley has not responded yet to them so I am just going to reiterate those. Looking at clause 3 the Purpose": "The purpose of this Act is to establish a Child Sex Offender Register that will reduce sexual reoffending against child victims." One issue with that that we have not discussed at the Social Services Committee and I have not heard any mention of by the Minister is actually what the anticipated reduction is. We know that the National Government likes to set targets so what is the reduction that the Minister expects to occur here with regard to sexual reoffending? I think it is really important to point that out because the evidence that we were presented with at the select committee did show that actually only about 1 percent of all sexual offences will end up with a conviction in the criminal justice system. So how much of a reduction are we going to see with reoffending given that that is the case? I also think that it is important to actually focus on that word "reoffending". This is not going to reduce the sexual offending against child victims. It is the reoffending against child victims and the reoffending that has gone through the criminal justice system and ended up in conviction. Keep in mind that 99 percent of the sexual offending against children that goes on does not even end up with conviction through the criminal justice system. So I think it is worth discussing that. In clause 3 after it states "reduce sexual offending against child victims …" it says "and the risk posed by serious child sex offenders …". I think we need to keep in mind that when we are talking about serious sexual child sex offenders here we are talking about the ones who have been convicted. We are not talking about the serious child sex offenders out there who we know exist but who have not been convicted or have not been discovered so it is important to mention that. Clause 3(a) says: "providing government agencies with the information needed to monitor child sex offenders in the community including after the completion of the sentence; …" I think my colleague Louisa Wall brought up why that is absolutely important so we support that. But clause 3(b) says: "providing up-to-date information that assists the Police to more rapidly resolve cases of child sex offending." So when we are looking at paragraph (b) for the purpose we have to keep in mind that that is after the fact because we are talking about providing police with information to more rapidly resolve cases of child sex offending. Actually it is hard to reconcile that with the original statement in the purpose where it says: to "reduce sexual reoffending against child victims" because paragraph (b) of the purpose clause is just actually to provide police with information so that they can resolve child sexual offending cases. I think it is really important to talk about that. I talked about clause 43 earlier and I do want some answers from Minister Anne Tolley. Clause 43 is in relation to disclosure of information to affected people where a threat to child safety or welfare exists. We know that this particular clause means that it is not just about the sharing of information between government agencies; it opens it up to third parties. I think it is really important that we in the House are clear about who those potential third parties are what safeguards are in place with regard to protecting that information and who an appropriate third party is—so just some examples. How will the risk be assessed before the decision is made to pass that information on to the third party? Who will be making that decision and who will be passing that information on to the third party? What will the consequence be of sharing that information outside of the parameters of the agreement in terms of—if it is given to the third party and it is supposed to stay there what are the consequences if that information is passed on?I am thinking here that one example of a third party discussed in the select committee was a school board of trustees. There you have got concerned parents. Yes they are governing the school but you can imagine that it would be very difficult for them to withhold information from the rest of the community if they then become aware of the fact that there is a convicted sex offender living in their community. So what then Minister would the consequences of sharing that information be? I think we are just lacking a little bit of detail and explanation around that particular clause clause 43. So if the Minister can answer some questions about that then I think that would hopefully give some people a bit of peace of mind or potentially give us guidance in terms of further changes that need to be made."