SpeechHARETE HIPANGO (National): Kia ora Madam Chair. I acknowledge Minister Jackson seated beside you and also the officials the advisers who have entered the Chamber to provide advice and support.Before I do address the detail in relation to the Māori Purposes Bill I have previously in this House addressed members and those listening from the public: those of our people who have given service in this sector with purpose and with kaupapa Māori and with the Māori purposes that have been their pursuit in service. I say this because this afternoon at 12.15 there is to be a memorial service for Sir Wira Gardiner Tā Wira Gardiner. There are a number of us present in the Chamber at the moment who knew him both professionally and personally and so my whakaaro my thoughts turn to the whānau of Sir Wira Gardiner and also to the service that Sir Wira Gardiner gave a lifetime of with purpose to the Māori community but also the nation of the Aotearoa New Zealand.I now turn to the Māori Purposes Bill. As a member of the National Party I sat on the Māori Affairs Committee with other members in the House. We scrutinised the bill after hearing submissions from members and after taking the advice of Ben Paki seated in the Chamber. Ben I acknowledge you because we have given service in the days of the Department of Māori Affairs and now your advisory role with Te Puni Kōkiri.Minister as is known the bill is in three parts and what came before the select committee were recommendations for amendments that have been detailed and outlined and they're highlighted in the bill that we have before us. Minister it's known to those members who sat on the Māori Affairs Committee after hearing submissions the reason and the purpose for the Ruapuha Uekaha Hāpu Trust to have specific amendments within this bill.Minister my eye in looking through the bill—it doesn't give context unless it's known what it is in terms of the Treaty settlement that came about. It hasn't been addressed by way of any Supplementary Order Paper or certainly in the detail of the proposed amendments within the bill other than saying that under clause 5 section 4 is to be amended in terms of the interpretation; where Ruapuha Uekaha Hāpu Trust which is the trust that has the authority and the responsibility of the administration of Waitomo Caves means the trust of that name constituted by the Maori Land Court on 2 October 1990 under section 438 of the Maori Affairs Act 1953 and continued under section 354 of this Act".Madam Chair through you to Minister Jackson it's a somewhat complicated way of trying to interpret what the purpose is of this trust. So Minister perhaps in terms of some advice from the advisers the officials seated in the Chamber wouldn't it be a simpler way just to say that this trust has been tasked and recognised with the authority for the administration of the Waitomo Caves as pursuant to the particular Treaty settlement and arrangement that came about? Just clarity really Minister whether that would be possible and permissible because we know that legislation—and we've had come before this House plain English bills and the like and other matters: it's about the benefit of those who are reading and interpreting our laypeople members of the public to understand rather than having to rely on lawyers or people specialised in this area to have to interpret and to clarify."