Hayes JoJOANNE HAYES (National): You know I stand here and I agree with everything that that member Ron Mark actually just said.Ian McKelvie: That's extraordinary Jo.JOANNE HAYES: I know it is one of those extraordinary things that has happened to me today but I do. I sat here I went through this bill. I went through the explanatory notes on this bill and I came out with a number of notes about exactly what that member Ron Mark said: Māori. Who Māori?". Who are the Māori whom the member is alluding to in her bill? How will they be made up? Is it going to be iwi Māori? What about taura here; what about those who do not belong there—exactly what that member over there said?Another topic that was also discussed was around referendums and the cost of referendums. It costs a lot of money to have a referendum and to be honest you just cannot keep doing these things. We have fair representation. We have to look at the number of people who actually vote—Māori who vote in local government elections—and we all know that overall voting representation is very low in local government elections. So what makes us think that it will increase if there are going to ever be Māori wards or Māori constituencies? Has anybody actually sat down with Māori in the local government areas and asked them whether they would be happy if some of their rates went towards a Māori ward? Has anybody actually sat down and asked them? I can tell you nobody has asked me. Nobody has talked to me about it. We pay rates in Manawatū district and I can tell you that there is no way that I would want my rates to be cut up the way that the member Marama Davidson is proposing in this bill. As I sat and I listened to another member from the Opposition talk about the Treaty of Waitangi—well if the member had actually read the explanatory notes on this bill in paragraph three that is where it talks about how this bill will contravene the Treaty of Waitangi clauses to do with representation and participation of Māori if this bill should ever go ahead in any form or other.When I look over this bill—and I think good on her she put this up—I think there needs to be a lot more thinking to go into a bill like this. There needs to be a lot more consultation with those people all Māori who live in those areas because there is an assumption that—hello—all of a sudden all the Māori are going to want to have a Māori ward in their local body areas and regions. There are a whole lot of assumptions that this bill is actually bringing up and it is one that does not really sit right with me. I doubt it will sit right with many Māori around the motu.I can almost say that some of my friends who are representatives on local councils would not be in favour of this bill because it is another way of separating out Māori again. We cannot do that. We need to be one together because really at the end of the day the funds that come through the rates for the work that goes on within local government have to be pulled together as one. We have to be working together and talking together and growing regions our local body regions together as one people. But some people would say: "Oh you know but we are not one people." Well when it comes to local body we are. We are one people because it is about everybody's lands and waters etc. in those regions.I take my hat off to Marama Davidson for putting this bill up. I cannot for the life of me stand here and say that I will support it because I just cannot. It needs a heck of a lot more work. Really at the end of the day like I did in a previous bill that came in from the Greens I recommended that the sponsor go back and rewrite and have another look at the bill and that is what I am recommending to Marama Davidson. Good on you for having a go. You need to go back do a lot more work than this and a lot more consultation because I think the results that you are going to get from the consultation will actually tell you not to do it again. I cannot support this bill. Kia ora."