Robertson Grant; Lees-Galloway Iain; Moroney Sue; Roche DeniseGRANT ROBERTSON (Labour—Wellington Central): I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I waited until the conclusion of the Government members' speeches on this bill to make this point of order and I have two related points.A financial veto certificate has been issued to the House. At no point in any of the Government members' speeches did they speak to that financial veto certificate. That means that you Mr Assistant Speaker in your role as Speaker do have to make some judgments here. McGee quite clearly states that the Speaker does have the ability to say whether or not a financial veto certificate complies with all of the procedures that need to be followed. I refer you to Standing Order 327(1). The financial veto certificate has to have two elements. It has to state with due particularity the impact on the fiscal aggregates and the reason why the Government does not concur with the bill. On both of those counts the financial veto certificate must have due particularity.It is fair to say that the financial veto certificate has due particularity on the impact on the aggregates. As an aside I would say that it is very difficult to justify that they constitute more than minor aspects but that is what the Government is trying to tell us. But what the financial veto certificate does not do with due particularity is state the reason why the Government does not concur. In fact all the financial veto certificate does is state that the reason is the financial aggregates. There are two parts to this financial veto certificate. No member of the Government has come to the House tonight to explain this and as the House sits here now we have never had the financial veto certificate explained to us. I believe Mr Assistant Speaker that there is a place for you to rule on whether or not this certificate is adequate.The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch): I thank the member for his comments. Members the Speaker has accepted the veto and it has been tabled. You bring up two points under Standing Order 327(1). You made the point about what the concern was and what the Government's reaction to it was and that is in the certificate. It is mentioned quite clearly. You also mentioned that some members never mentioned the certificate. I have sat through the whole of this debate and it has been mentioned in the course of the debate—Grant Robertson: Not by the Government.The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch): —I am on my feet—maybe not to the extent to which members would wish it to be but it has been mentioned. That is the end of the matter because it is a financial veto that has been put in place by the Government under the Standing Orders. My determination is that the Government has issued a financial veto certificate for this bill so in accordance with Standing Order 328(3) there will be no question put on the bill being read a third time.GRANT ROBERTSON (Labour—Wellington Central): I raise a point of order Mr Speaker.The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch): I have actually ruled now so there is no debate.GRANT ROBERTSON: It is a new point of order.The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch): Grant Robertson—but there is no debate on this.GRANT ROBERTSON: No Mr Assistant Speaker. I seek leave of the House for there to be a personal vote held on the Parental Leave and Employment Protection (6 Months' Paid Leave) Amendment Bill.The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch): No we cannot. Because this debate has concluded there is no opportunity—[Interruption] Order! This debate has concluded. There is no provision for a vote so leave cannot be accepted. I have actually given the ruling; I will read it out again so that it is very very clear. The Government has issued a financial veto certificate for this bill so in accordance with Standing Order 328(3) there will be no question put on the bill being read a third time.IAIN LEES-GALLOWAY (Labour—Palmerston North): I raise a point of order Mr Speaker.The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch): I am not entering into any further debate because there is no debate. There is no question to be put so there are no points of order that can be considered.IAIN LEES-GALLOWAY (Labour—Palmerston North): I raise a point of order Mr Speaker.The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch): Is it a new point of order?IAIN LEES-GALLOWAY: It is a new point of order.The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch): If you are going to trifle with my decision that is a very serious matter.IAIN LEES-GALLOWAY: My point of order is in reference to members' ability to seek leave. The House has the right to determine whatever course of action it wishes to by leave. My colleague Grant Robertson sought leave for a vote to be taken. Certainly it is not the way the Standing Orders are laid out but—The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch): All right I hear the point the member is making. There is no opportunity for a vote to be taken by leave or otherwise. This is very clear. This is the matter under the financial veto. That is it—there will be no vote put on the third reading so that is the end of the matter. You cannot seek leave for something to have a vote put when there is no provision for a vote to be put on the third reading. So that is the end of the matter.GRANT ROBERTSON (Labour—Wellington Central): I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. It is a new point of order.The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch): A new point of order I hope Mr Robertson.GRANT ROBERTSON: It is indeed. I seek leave for the Parental Leave and Employment Protection (6 Months' Paid Leave) Amendment Bill to be recommitted to the House for the third reading.The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch): Leave is sought for that purpose. Is there any objection? There is objection.SUE MORONEY (Labour): I raise a point of order Mr Speaker.The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch): If you are trifling with the Chair that is a very serious matter.SUE MORONEY: It is a new point of order.The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch): Sue Moroney—a new point of order.SUE MORONEY: I seek leave to table a document prepared by the Labour whips' office dated today with the number of votes that the Labour Party wished to cast on the third reading of this Parental Leave and Employment Protection (6 Months' Paid Leave) Amendment Bill.The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch): That is trifling with the Chair. I have already ruled and that is the end of the matter. We will not have any more of that.DENISE ROCHE (Green): I raise a point of order Mr Speaker.The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch): I have ruled on this matter. The member will sit. Is it a new point of order?DENISE ROCHE: Yes.The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch): If it is trifling with the Chair then the member will be leaving.DENISE ROCHE: I seek leave to table a document that lists the names of the MPs from this party who would like to—The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch): That is trifling with the Chair.IAIN LEES-GALLOWAY (Labour—Palmerston North): I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. It is within the rights of members of this House to seek leave to table documents. You can put the leave and members opposite can deny us leave if they wish but it is well within our rights to seek leave to table documents.The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch): The—[Interruption] Order! I do not need any assistance. I have made it very clear what the provisions of the Standing Orders are. I read them out twice. There is no opportunity to take this debate any further; nor is there to be a vote. So anything that goes beyond that by seeking leave and just trifling with the Chair is out of order and I have ruled that way. That is the end of the matter so we are moving on.IAIN LEES-GALLOWAY (Labour—Palmerston North): I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. With respect that is a non sequitur. Members are not seeking leave for anything to do with a vote. Members are seeking leave to table documents something that is well within our rights.The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Lindsay Tisch): I am going to seek some advice. As I have already ruled I have the discretion as to whether I accept the leave or not and I have declined it. We are moving on.The Government having issued a financial veto certificate for this bill in accordance with Standing Order 328(3) no question was put on the bill being read a third time.Motion lapsed.