Macindoe TimHon TIM MACINDOE (National—Hamilton West): Well that was a particularly typical obfuscatory arrogant bombastic contribution from the leader of New Zealand First who spent the best part of five minutes saying absolutely nothing. Nobody listening to this debate will have any more idea where they stand on any of the important issues than they did before he started.I want to distil it down to one very simple question which he failed to answer in amongst all the bombast and all the abuse that he fired over this side of the House and that is: will New Zealand First vote for the Hon Dr Nick Smith's tabled amendment? Will New Zealand First vote for the Hon Dr Nick Smith's amendment which will clear all the concerns that he's speaking about?Rt Hon Winston Peters: We don't vote for hypocrisy.Hon TIM MACINDOE: We don't vote for hypocrisy." Oh my goodness. Doesn't that just explain the utter hypocrisy we've just listened to for five minutes? I hope that the world is watching because apparently the Russians hang on every word. So let's hope that they all are. Utter hypocrisy—utterly disingenuous. All he needs to do is support Dr Nick Smith's amendment and we will have the disinfectant of sunlight that he apparently is calling for. But oh no—we won't get it; not from him. Now there is another question—there is another question. In his point of order Dr Nick Smith has just sought leave to table a document. Unfortunately leave was denied. Who by? The leader of New Zealand First of course. He claimed—Rt Hon Winston Peters: I raise a point of order Madam Chairperson.Hon TIM MACINDOE: Oh my goodness. Here we go again.Rt Hon Winston Peters: I raise a point of order Madam Chairperson. Which part of Part 1 of this bill is that member remotely referring to?Hon TIM MACINDOE: Speaking to the point of order—CHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley): No I don't need that actually. I did listen and the member was asking for support for an amendment that is actually on the Table. So that was in order. He's moving off that now but that was in order.Hon TIM MACINDOE: Thank you Madam Chair and of course I was responding to an interjection and you have ruled previously in this debate that it's perfectly legitimate to respond to an interjection. I want to make the point that we have tried to seek leave to have a letter tabled and the member who took the call called out "rubbish"; twice he called out "rubbish". So what I want to ask him now is is he denying that that letter exists?Rt Hon Winston Peters: It's rubbish.Hon TIM MACINDOE: Oh it's rubbish!CHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley): Well hang on hang on hang on. First of all I have supported the member with his first question relating to the amendment. But now his speaking time is not questioning members sitting opposite. I would now like him to come to the bill.Hon TIM MACINDOE: Thank you Madam Chair—even though I was responding to his interjection?CHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley): Yeah but that doesn't mean the rest of your speech carries on.Hon TIM MACINDOE: OK well given the fact that he told us absolutely nothing that added anything constructive to this debate we'll move back to those who've made more useful contributions. I do want to thank the Minister of Justice who has returned to the chair for standing up to answer questions because we had had utter silence for more than an hour from the other sides of the House. And we were beginning to think well here we were again under urgency no select committee process and all the Government was wanting to do was shut it down. We've already had a closure motion from Mr McAnulty.But I have to say to the Minister of Justice he only answered one question and even that he did inadequately because he told us that intelligence agencies have advised him and the House that there's a need to take action but that he has decided—the Minister of Justice has decided—that without a select committee process this measure should be confined solely to general elections. Our question of course was: why not include local body elections? And "I have decided" says Mr Little "that without a select committee process we should confine it to general elections only rather than including local body elections."Well that exactly explains why he should have followed longstanding constitutional convention and due process and put this matter out for full consultation; not the opposite—of him saying yet again "I know best." Well he wasn't in the chair earlier when I asked him how he responded to Mr Garner's comments on The AM Show this morning but Mr Garner was asking why we're pushing this measure through under urgency. He said there was no obvious answer and he smelt a rat. Clearly the rat is sitting over on that side of the Chamber at the moment because in particular what Mr Garner was talking about was the New Zealand First Foundation.Rt Hon Winston Peters: I raise a point of order Madam Chairperson. I won't have a dysfunctional geriatric call me a rat and I'm asking him to apologise.CHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley): Well I think now it's one all.Rt Hon Winston Peters: No no no. He can't get away with that. Why didn't you stop him—if you're doing your job properly?CHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley): Ah now the member is getting a bit close to the bone. There was an aspersion cast and probably unparliamentary but unfortunately for the member he just responded. So it's one all so let's keep going. We've got 34 seconds.Hon TIM MACINDOE: I raise a point of order Madam Chairperson. I noticed that the clock has been—CHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley): No it hasn't stopped. Keep going.Hon TIM MACINDOE: The clock didn't stop for the whole time so I think that I've lost—CHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley): Keep going.Hon TIM MACINDOE: Well I'm asking the Minister of Justice how he responds to Mr Garner because we and the members of the public want to know—in particular relating to this murky New Zealand First Foundation that's become more murky not less as a result of the last contribution which no members of their caucus have yet been willing to defend or explain. They've simply tried to deflect attention from it. I want to know from the Minister what conversations he's had—[Time expired]"