Davidson ReubenREUBEN DAVIDSON (Labour—Christchurch East): Thank you Mr Chair and Fa'afetai because it is Samoan Language Week and it would be very easy for us to lose sight of that this week. But I would like to make a special shout-out to our large and proud Samoan community in Christchurch East—the electorate I am lucky enough to be the MP for.I'm also pleased to be able to take a call on this because there are still so many questions I think not just from our team here on this side but also from our community about the approach that's being taken here. Specifically my questions are around a very local perspective and around a community perspective for early childhood education (ECE). The example that we have in Christchurch East is the Avonside Early Childhood Centre. Now this is proudly on Woodham Road. It's been there for 80 years. It's one of the oldest early childhood education centres in New Zealand. It was originally called the Avonside Girls' High Nursery School so things have moved on. No longer do the ECE teachers there wear nurse uniforms and no longer are they seen as babysitters. This is a vital not-for-profit community service that allows parents to get back into the workforce back into study and to have a fantastic start for their children in an early childhood education environment.The really important thing about the Avonside Early Childhood Centre is that it's about childcare; it's not about profit. It's a not-for-profit. It has a board of trustees. It has a focus on accessibility for the local community and that local community needs support for things like early childhood education. The issue with the approach that's being taken here is that there's a really strong administrative load put both on to the parents—and we've heard a lot of questions around that because that's not really the best approach for busy parents who are juggling a lot—but there's also a really big administrative load that is put on to centres like the Avonside Early Childhood Centre. And at a time when the Government is telling us through the Budget that they want to cut backroom services what's actually being created here is a whole new backroom role both for families but also for early childhood education centres. So we're creating a backroom boost away from Government but into family homes and into early childhood education centres.Carl Bates: A back-pocket boost.REUBEN DAVIDSON: I've heard a member shout out back-pocket boost". It's a very small back pocket. I'd love you to talk further about it because it's a very very small back pocket.My question for the Minister around this approach is—Carl Bates: Are you trying to slow down money into the back pockets of New Zealanders?REUBEN DAVIDSON: My question for the Minister when his colleagues will allow it to be heard is: what was the engagement and what has the Minister's engagement been with early childhood education centres and particularly with community-focused and not-for-profit early childhood education centres? And not only what has the Minister's engagement been but also what was their feedback what was the response what was the feedback that you got from that sector and as a result of that feedback and as a result of a consultative approach what support is being promised and provided for that sector to navigate what is going to be a heavy administrative load—new roles needing to be created within childhood centres where the focus really should be on providing the best start for children and for families whose parents are balancing the very busy time of returning to study or returning to work and accessing childhood care? So I look forward to the Minister's answer to those questions."