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Banks John: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
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[Sitting date: 01 August 2012. Volume:682;Page:4176. Text is subject to correction.] 
Hon JOHN BANKS (Leader—ACT) 
: 
 I have listened to the diatribe from the Green member of Parliament Steffan Browning. I thought it was important that I take a call at this juncture to say to the Minister in charge of the NZ Security Intelligence Service over these matters that I support the activities of the intelligence agencies of this country. I want to put upon record the fact that I am a member of the Cabinet committee on intelligence and security so we will not be discussing those matters.  
What I will say is that the intelligence agencies of this country do a very good job in the interests of this nation’s intelligence security. I want to place that on record today on behalf of the ACT Party and I want to say to the Minister in charge of the intelligence agencies both security and intelligence that the workers and the people inside those agencies work hard in the best interests of the economic security of this country and security for citizens of this country. They work tirelessly in the pursuit of delivering for this nation economic sovereignty and you cannot have economic sovereignty if you have foreign agencies spying on this country without counter-intelligence agencies like the ones that we are talking about today.  
I want you to know that the ACT Party and people on this side of the Chamber believe in strong robust security agencies in the best interests of this country and we support them totally and denounce the myopic backward-looking views of the Green Party around security and intelligence. If matters of security and intelligence were left to the Green Party then we would be taken advantage of by many many nations that would use the barriers and infiltrate us in terms of economic security in particular. So I want to say to the security agencies which work tirelessly on behalf of this country that we appreciate you we thank you we applaud you and we support you.
Robertson H V Ross: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
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Robertson H V Ross: Estimates Debate — In Committee 
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The CHAIRPERSON (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Good afternoon honourable members. Kia ora tatou no reira e te Whare e nga iwi e nga reo e nga hau e wha. Tena koutou tena koutou tena koutou katoa. Honourable members—and my good friend the honourable member Trevor Mallard; thank you for the comments about my wonderful tie—the House is in Committee on the Appropriation (2012/13 Estimates) Bill. The Standing Orders provide for 8 hours of debate on the estimates. Each member may have no more than two speeches of 5 minutes on each vote. The estimates debate should be relevant to the Government’s current spending plans as contained in the Estimates of Appropriations. All votes are available for debate and will be called in order of seniority of Ministers commencing with the Speaker’s votes. A compendium of the reports of select committees on the votes is available on the Table.
Upston Louise: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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[Sitting date: 01 August 2012. Volume:682;Page:4158. Text is subject to correction.] 
11. 
LOUISE UPSTON (National—Taupo) 
 to the  
Minister of Labour 
: What advice has she received regarding the implementation of the new adventure activities regulations? 
Hon KATE WILKINSON (Minister of Labour) 
: 
 Our international reputation is tied to our adventure tourism sector with around 36 percent of international tourists taking part in an adventure activity whilst in New Zealand. That is why in November last year we introduced new regulations designed to ensure that adventure activity operators comply with the highest of safety standards. I am pleased to report that an estimated 99 percent of adventure tourism operators have now notified the Labour Group of their activity following a joint effort between Government and the industry. This is a great start towards ensuring every operator is part of a safe and robust adventure activity regime by 2014. 
Louise Upston 
: What are the next steps towards full implementation? 
Hon KATE WILKINSON 
: Earlier this week the first 16 safety auditors were announced. This is a key step in enabling operators to fully register under the new regulations. I am pleased to report that the first of the activity-specific guidelines—for canyoning—is due for release in the coming weeks with a further two caving and indoor rock climbing to follow soon after. I have also had feedback from the industry that the recently launched Support Adventure website is enjoying a high level of usage and support. These are important steps to help ensure the safety of participants and the protection of New Zealand’s reputation as a safe and exciting tourist destination which is central to New Zealand’s future economic success.
Hutchison Paul: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Hutchison Paul: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
[Sitting date: 01 August 2012. Volume:682;Page:4157. Text is subject to correction.] 
9. 
Dr PAUL HUTCHISON (National—Hunua) 
 to the  
Minister of Health 
: What investments are planned for improving health facilities in Wairoa? 
Hon TONY RYALL (Minister of Health) 
: 
 The go-ahead has been given by the Hawke’s Bay District Health Board for a $5 million integrated family health centre in Wairoa. This medical facility on the Wairoa Hospital site will have a new clinical services block a complete refurbishment of other areas to integrate mental and community health services a complete IT upgrade and an ambulance bay development. It will be incorporating significant numbers of health professionals: occupational health physio community health Maori health public health diabetes—the list goes on. The building is expected to be completed within a year and I would like to congratulate the community and the district health board on their work futureproofing health services for the people of Wairoa. 
Dr Paul Hutchison 
: How is it that this district health board which only 4 years ago was in financial deficit and getting worse is now able to invest $5 million in an integrated health centre in Wairoa? 
Hon TONY RYALL 
: What the Hawke’s Bay board has shown is that a financial turn-round can be achieved when a district health board focuses on getting its finances into balance. With this achieved this district health board has gained the ability to determine how it invests its health resources in its community. This is in complete contrast to the out-of-control rapidly rising $150 million worth of deficits owed by district health boards that were left by the failed outgoing Labour Government. Turning round those deficits from a track heading towards $200 million has been a major achievement. I think the Hawke’s Bay board is a great example that expanded services can be delivered to local communities with the elimination of deficits.
Young Jonathan: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Young Jonathan: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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7. 
JONATHAN YOUNG (National—New Plymouth) 
 to the  
Minister of Energy and Resources 
: What reports has he received on renewable electricity generation in New Zealand? 
Hon PHIL HEATLEY (Minister of Energy and Resources) 
: 
 The National-led Government is focused on ensuring that renewable electricity generation thrives here in our country. I am pleased to report that the ministry has said that renewable electricity generation was 77 percent in 2011 up from 74 percent in 2010. Although it is important to bear in mind that the level of renewable electricity fluctuates because of a number of factors including lake levels I am pleased to see us well on our way towards achieving the goal of 90 percent renewable generation by 2025. 
Jonathan Young 
: Has he seen any forecasts on the future of renewable electricity generation in New Zealand? 
Hon PHIL HEATLEY 
: Yes. Forecasting by the Electricity Authority shows that almost 3700 megawatts of renewable generation is consented but not yet built. To put this in perspective this implies that there are enough consented renewable generation projects to meet our demand growth out past 2030. On this basis it is clear that the renewable energy sector in New Zealand has a strong future.
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Cosgrove Clayton: Mixed Ownership Model Bill — Second Reading 
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Hon CLAYTON COSGROVE (Labour) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I am sorry to return to the issue before— 
Maggie Barry 
: So are we. 
Hon CLAYTON COSGROVE 
: I know they are because they do not want to have the documents released. 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Order! 
Hon CLAYTON COSGROVE 
: I am responding to an interjection. 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: No do not respond to them. Give your point of order. 
Hon CLAYTON COSGROVE 
: The last time I checked you could not interject on points of order. I refer you again to Standing Order 236(1): “The proceedings of a select committee or a subcommittee other than during the hearing of evidence are not open to the public and remain strictly confidential to the committee until it reports to the House.”  
I have taken further advice and I need reassurance from you in respect of a request from the public. If a member of the public requested the sections of minutes that pertain to the bill before the House the Mixed Ownership Model Bill which we are debating because it has been reported to the House—if a request was made by any person to the Clerk’s Office to have those documents released—then I am advised that they would have to get the scissors out and cut it up and release all those minutes and leave given that it has been blocked by the Government would not be required. That could be done simply through a request by a member of the public. I would be grateful if you could confirm or not please. 
Michael Woodhouse 
: Speaking to that—
Hipkins Chris: Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill — Second Reading 
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CHRIS HIPKINS (Senior Whip—Labour) 
: 
 Pursuant to a discussion just held between the whips I seek leave for the House to rise a few moments early so that the next speaker can have their full 10 minutes uninterrupted.
Vote: Mixed Ownership Model Bill — Second Reading 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the Mixed Ownership Model Bill be now read a second time. 
Ayes 61 
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1. 
Noes 59 
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 2; Mana 1. 
Bill read a second time.
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Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Leave is sought for that purpose. Is there anyone opposed to that course of action? There appears not.  
Debate interrupted.
Roy Eric: Mixed Ownership Model Bill — Second Reading 
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Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: There is no conflict. Well there is no problem because I have given a ruling and said that I will uphold the rules of the House that minutes do not become available before a bill’s passage 
because of contempt. I have also ruled that they will be a public document and this House does not seek leave to release public documents. I realise there is an issue of timing but the issue of contempt is the one upon which I have ruled. 
The next member to seek a call is seeking a split call. The first to take a 5-minute call is Hone Harawira.
Cosgrove Clayton: Mixed Ownership Model Bill — Second Reading 
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Hon CLAYTON COSGROVE (Labour) 
: 
 I seek leave for all Finance and Expenditure Committee minutes that pertain to the Mixed Ownership Model Bill that are before the House be tabled in order to show— 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: You do not have to give the reasons why. 
Hon CLAYTON COSGROVE 
: Well I am allowed to give a description—
Cosgrove Clayton: Mixed Ownership Model Bill — Second Reading 
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Hon CLAYTON COSGROVE (Labour) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I want to refer you to Standing Order 236(3) which reads: “The follow proceedings may be disclosed: (a) those proceedings that do not relate to any business or decision still before the committee:”. I put it to you Mr Deputy Speaker and I have taken advice on it—you may or may not be aware of it—that it is not a contempt of Parliament to release the minutes. Just for the record—I am sure you will indulge me—I hope I have not brought a Finance and Expenditure Committee clerk into career danger because I may have misinterpreted the advice he gave me. He is very solid citizen. My advice is that indeed it would be a contempt to release minutes that pertain to live decisions before a committee. However it would not be a contempt to seek leave to table all aspects of the minutes—somebody would have to get the scissors out I suspect—that pertain to the bill before the House. If I am correct given that that is the case and given also that those minutes we have now had confirmed—and I am very happy to take you at your word because it is consistent with my advice—are not publicly available or parts of the minutes on the parliamentary website then there is an issue as to public availability. I do note that the scissors would have to come out and there might have to be some work on this but I would just put it to you that we can refer to these minutes in the Chamber but there is a large number of people on all sides of this debate external to this Chamber who are wanting to access those documents. They are not available to them and they should be. So on that basis unless you advise me I am still in contempt—
Roy Eric: Mixed Ownership Model Bill — Second Reading 
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Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: And I have given that ruling. The minutes will become public after the passage of the bill and there can be a breach or a contempt if they are released before that point. That is why I have ruled essentially that they will be a public document and I am advised that they are not available to the public until that point until the point that the bill has completed its passage through the House—I am advised.
Cosgrove Clayton: Mixed Ownership Model Bill — Second Reading 
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Cosgrove Clayton: Mixed Ownership Model Bill — Second Reading 
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Hon CLAYTON COSGROVE (Labour) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. I have inquired of the Finance and Expenditure Committee clerk also. There two things I would say to you. You are right: the minutes are not on the website. The advice that I have been given a few moments ago is that it is not protocol that the select committee minutes are placed on the website.  
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: That is just what I have said. 
Hon CLAYTON COSGROVE 
: That is correct. However I asked the Clerk—not the colleague currently here but the previous Clerk who was here—whether those minutes are available publicly whether they are available to be accessed. I also checked with the Finance and Expenditure Committee clerk who tells me that although it is not protocol to put them on a website if members of the public were to ring or approach the minutes would be able to be released. That is the advice I have got and I have got it from one of your senior people and also the clerk of the Finance and Expenditure Committee. My point is simply this. I in no way wish to breach the rules of the House or bring the House and myself in contempt of them. However that is the advice I have received from two officials. That being the case they are not publicly available documents in respect of access and I seek on that basis on the basis of advice I have received from your people to have them tabled. If I am incorrect that is a matter for your staff not me.
Roy Eric: Mixed Ownership Model Bill — Second Reading 
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Roy Eric: Mixed Ownership Model Bill — Second Reading 
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Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: I was going to respond with the consideration I have given to the member’s earlier point and the member might want to listen to what I am going to say and then reflect on that. I did take some time to discern the situation as it pertains to the minutes of a select committee. Let me firstly say that with regard to the parliamentary website I have checked the availability of these records on the website and the select committee documents have been available since Monday and there have been no complaints either internally or externally about that. With regard to the matter of the minutes the minutes will become a public document when the Mixed Ownership Model Bill has completed its passage through the House. So in that regard they will become a public document and it was on that basis that I ruled. What the member is actually seeking to do is to release minutes before the appropriate time at which there may be an issue of contempt and the member needs to actually reflect on that.
Roy Eric: Mixed Ownership Model Bill — Second Reading 
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Roy Eric: Mixed Ownership Model Bill — Second Reading 
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Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: I will give that some thought.
Cosgrove Clayton: Mixed Ownership Model Bill — Second Reading 
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Hon CLAYTON COSGROVE (Labour) 
: 
 I have a request. My request is simply this: that if you can you would give consideration to that ruling based on the submissions I have made to you.
Cosgrove Clayton: Mixed Ownership Model Bill — Second Reading 
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Hon CLAYTON COSGROVE (Labour) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. Again I do not want to trifle with your patience but there is a clear ruling from Mr Speaker Smith and it is appropriate that where documents are not in the public arena they can be tabled. These may well become public at some point but if the advice is correct and they not on the parliamentary website they are not in the public arena. I have checked with the Clerk and they are allowed to be tabled. I would invite you if they are not in the public arena to adhere to the Speaker’s ruling 148/4.
Roy Eric: Mixed Ownership Model Bill — Second Reading 
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Roy Eric: Mixed Ownership Model Bill — Second Reading 
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Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: I have received no advice either way. I am presuming that they are public and if they are not now they will presently be so.
Roy Eric: Mixed Ownership Model Bill — Second Reading 
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Roy Eric: Mixed Ownership Model Bill — Second Reading 
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Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: No I have ruled that they are in the public arena and I have not had any advice other than that.
Roy Eric: Mixed Ownership Model Bill — Second Reading 
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Roy Eric: Mixed Ownership Model Bill — Second Reading 
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Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Order! They are on the parliamentary website are they not? They are public documents so we are not going to put that leave.
Cosgrove Clayton: Mixed Ownership Model Bill — Second Reading 
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Cosgrove Clayton: Mixed Ownership Model Bill — Second Reading 
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Hon CLAYTON COSGROVE (Labour) 
: 
 I seek leave to table a document. It is the minutes—all the minutes—of the proceedings of the Finance and Expenditure Committee surrounding the Mixed Ownership Model Bill which will give a historical record showing all the blockages the National members put in place including blocking advice from Treasury—
Robertson H V Ross: Mixed Ownership Model Bill — Second Reading 
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Robertson H V Ross: Mixed Ownership Model Bill — Second Reading 
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The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson) 
: Just before I call the next speaker—rather than having interrupted the Rt Hon Winston Peters—can I remind members on my right that they would like to have a look at Speakers’ rulings 60/5 especially Nos 3 and 4.
Roy Eric: Mixed Ownership Model Bill — Second Reading 
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Roy Eric: Mixed Ownership Model Bill — Second Reading 
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Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: No. Order! The member does not have to give it. He has sought leave for what he is seeking to do. I will now put the question. Leave is sought for that purpose. Is there anyone opposed to that course of action? There is. Right. Now there is a 5-minute call from Gareth Hughes.
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Hon CLAYTON COSGROVE (Labour) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. Without wishing to waste the time of the House I am advised that there is a problem with the parliamentary website. They have not been available—I am advised but I could be wrong—thus far. Therefore I seek leave to table them. I could be wrong—
Cosgrove Clayton: Mixed Ownership Model Bill — Second Reading 
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Cosgrove Clayton: Mixed Ownership Model Bill — Second Reading 
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Hon CLAYTON COSGROVE (Labour) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. Could I—[ 
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Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Order! 
Hon CLAYTON COSGROVE 
: Take a pill. 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: Proceed. 
Hon CLAYTON COSGROVE 
: Could I ask you—I am not challenging your ruling—whether you have received advice that they are on the parliamentary website? I am not questioning the Clerk but if there is a technical problem with the website they are not in the public arena; therefore there is justification for tabling them. Unless we are clairvoyant and we have not received formal advice I would take it that that may well be the case.
Roy Eric: Mixed Ownership Model Bill — Second Reading 
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Roy Eric: Mixed Ownership Model Bill — Second Reading 
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Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: The issue is not whether the website is up or whatever; the issue is whether they are public documents. They are public documents and for that reason we will not be putting leave. 
Hon Clayton Cosgrove 
: I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. 
Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: I have ruled on this. The member is now trifling with me. I have ruled on it and unless this is a separate point of order the member is at grave risk of being required to leave the Chamber.
Henare Tau: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Henare Tau: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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5. 
Hon TAU HENARE (National) 
 to the  
Minister for Social Development 
: What announcements has the Government made today on employment assistance? 
Hon PAULA BENNETT (Minister for Social Development) 
: 
 This morning the Prime Minister and I have announced a simpler more flexible business-focused package of employment programmes called Job Streams. It takes an investment approach where the support will be individually targeted and will cost $62 million for the next financial year. We are doing more of what works less of what does not and making it easier for businesses to hire young people and others. 
Hon Tau Henare 
: Who will be able to find work using the new Job Streams package? 
Hon PAULA BENNETT 
: Rather than spread employment support thinly across all groups this new approach will target those most at risk of remaining on welfare long-term particularly young people but is also available to those on the DPB and also those on the sickness benefit. When this package comes into effect from 1 July this year priority will be given to young people who are at high risk of long-term benefit dependence.
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Mr SPEAKER 
: Order! I apologise to the member. Could I ask both sides at the front here please to cease this cross-interjection. It is discourteous. The member may start again.
Turei Metiria: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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Turei Metiria: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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METIRIA TUREI (Co-Leader—Green) 
: 
 My question is to the Minister for Economic Development and asks: does he stand by his statement that he was “not at all concerned” about signing a deal with SkyCity—
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Guy Nathan: Business Statement 
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Hon NATHAN GUY (Minister of Immigration) 
 on behalf of the Leader of the House: It is my understanding that the Alcohol Reform Bill is making good progress and that will be indicated at the Business Committee in due course.
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Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 Can I inquire of the acting Leader of the House whether in fact it is the Government’s intention to move on the liquor reform legislation within this session?
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Hon NATHAN GUY (Minister of Immigration) 
 on behalf of the Leader of the House: When the House resumes on Tuesday 19 June the Government intends to hold the combined 3-hour debate on the second readings of the Appropriation (2011/12 Supplementary Estimates) Bill and an Imprest Supply Bill and will look to progress the Committee stage of the Mixed Ownership Model Bill the Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims (2012 Expiry and Application Dates) Amendment Bill and the Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill.
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Smith Lockwood: Business Statement 
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Mr SPEAKER 
: Order! The Business Committee had agreed that this motion would be dealt with at the commencement of today’s business. Does the acting Leader of the House wish to make a statement?
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Upston Louise: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers 
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7. 
LOUISE UPSTON (National—Taupo) 
 to the  
Minister of Justice 
: What is the Government doing to protect New Zealanders from people charged with serious crime? 
Hon JUDITH COLLINS (Minister of Justice) 
: 
 This Government is delivering on its promises to reduce crime and protect New Zealanders from serious offenders by making it harder for those charged with serious crimes to get bail. The Bail Amendment Bill which is currently before the select committee reverses the burden of proof in bail decisions for those charged with murder serious sexual offences and serious class A drug-dealing offences. The presumption of bail for 17 to 19-year-olds will no longer apply for those who have previously been sentenced to prison and the police will have new powers to deal with under-17-year-olds who breach their bail conditions. I am looking forward to receiving the report from the select committee and moving these important legislative changes through this House. 
Louise Upston 
: How are the bail law changes contributing to the Government’s focus on putting victims at the heart of our justice system? 
Hon JUDITH COLLINS 
: We are delivering on our promise to put victims at the heart of the justice system. The changes in the Bail Amendment Bill will provide better protection for victims by requiring those charged with murder and other serious offences to be retained in custody unless they can show reasons why they should be allowed out on bail. We know that 6 percent of adults in this country experience 54 percent of all crime. There is a small group of people who are victimised five or more times. Often they are personally connected in some way to the offenders. One of the key focuses of the justice sector is on providing support for victims generally but particularly for those who are the victims of serious criminal offences.
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Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. In the absence of a Government business statement at the beginning of the day it is my understanding that the intention of the Government next week to move— 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Order! The acting Leader of the House was about to make a business statement now.  
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: Sorry but he did not do it at the beginning. He did not stand up then.
Dunne Peter: Motions — United States Forces—70th Anniversary of Arrival in New Zealand During World War II 
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Dunne Peter: Motions — United States Forces—70th Anniversary of Arrival in New Zealand During World War II 
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Hon PETER DUNNE (Leader—United Future) 
: 
 I rise on behalf of United Future to support the motion that is before the House at the moment. On the Wellington waterfront there is a simple plaque to commemorate the arrival and the departure of the American troops in 1942. It no longer stands in its original place. For members who are familiar with the geography of the waterfront somewhere adjacent to the current cruise ship terminal would be where those ships arrived and sailed from. The waterfront has changed considerably in the 70 years; our country has changed considerably in the 70 years. But the simple legend on that plaque endures. It says: “If you ever need a friend you have one”. That was the sentiment of the time.  
I think that when we from the luxury of this distance reflect back on those circumstances and that time the poignancy of those words becomes stronger. As others have acknowledged in 1942 a large proportion of New Zealand’s defence forces was fighting for our freedom in far-off places: in Africa in parts of Europe and in parts of the Pacific. There was a sense of our exposure in this country. The arrival of the American forces—apart from any of the other variants that they may have introduced while they were here—gave our people a sense of security that our well-being was once again being looked after. It was an act of friendship. It was an act that created a bond between nations that through ups and downs has endured for the last 70 years.  
As others have acknowledged friendship is a two-way street. You show loyalty to and support for those who need it and you also have a certain ability to speak freely and to share differences. Both the United States and New Zealand in the intervening 70 years have shared occasions where they have spoken frankly and bluntly to each other in the way that only true friends can. But what does carry forth and what characterises always even at our darkest moments the relationship between our two countries is this overbearing statement of friendship: “If you ever need a friend you have one”. It was as true in 1942 as it has become today. Although none of us has direct memory of that time what we can take solace from are the events that occurred. In focusing on those few words we can understand the feeling of our country and we can see its modern translation.  
Those were very dark days for New Zealand. It was very good for this country to have the friend that it did and today it is appropriate that we commemorate celebrate and offer our respects to those who made those sacrifices.  
Motion agreed to.
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HONE HARAWIRA (Leader—Mana) 
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 A kia ora mai ano ra tatou. Tena koe e te Tumuaki to tatou Whare tatou ano ra e hui tahi nei tena koutou kia ora tatou. Tautoko ano hoki au i te kaupapa o te motini kia mihi atu ki a ratou te hunga w’eturangitia ratou e tu ana ki mua i te hoariri i aua wa. Engari e tika ana kia kaua e wareware ki wa tatou nei hoia wa tatou nei toa i haere tawhiti atu ki te tiaki i nga tangata o roto o nga whenua katoa o te ao. I aua wa horekau he hoariri kotahi i haere mai ki Aotearoa engari ko wa tatou nei hoia i tae atu ki nga wahi katoa. No reira e tika ano hoki a te Mane e tu mai nei koia te hui a-tau o te Ropu 28 tera o wa tatou nei ropu toa o te ao Maori i tae rangatira atu ki nga wahi katoa o te ao kia tu rangatira tatou ki roto o Aotearoa nei. No reira e tika ana kia mihi atu ki a ratou ki te hunga kua w’eturangitia wa tatou matua kaumatua ahakoa ko Maori ko Pakeha ko wai ranei. Tena koutou kia ora tatou katoa. 
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And greetings once again to us. Salutations Mr Speaker our House and all of us assembled here. Salutations to you collectively and to us. I too endorse the tenor of the motion in that we acknowledge those who fell before the enemy at that time. But we must not forget our own soldiers and warriors who travelled afar to protect people in all countries in the world. At that time not a solitary foe came to New Zealand but our soldiers went everywhere. So it is fitting as well that next Monday is an annual get-together for the 28th Maori Battalion that gallant battalion of Maoridom that arrived tall in places in the world and that made us proud here in New Zealand. So it is right that we acknowledge them the ones who have passed away our parents elderly folk Maori Pakeha or whoever. Acknowledgments to you collectively and to us all. 
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Hon MURRAY McCULLY (Minister of Foreign Affairs) 
: 
 I seek leave to move without notice a motion noting the 70th anniversary of the arrival of the United States forces in New Zealand. 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Is there any objection to that course of action being followed? There is none. 
Hon MURRAY McCULLY 
: I move  
That this House note the 70th anniversary of the arrival of the United States forces in New Zealand in 1942; recall the gratitude of the New Zealand people at the protection provided by the United States while our own troops were engaged in the Middle East and Europe; and note the growing strength of political security and economic cooperation between our two countries today 
. On 14 June 1942 70 years ago today US Marines sailed into Wellington Harbour. Five US army transport ships had sailed into Auckland 2 days earlier. They came to offer protection at a time when New Zealand’s own forces were engaged in Europe and the Middle East and New Zealand was wide open to invasion. From June 1942 to mid-1944 there were between 15000 and 45000 American servicemen in camp in New Zealand at any one time.  
This week these events and New Zealanders’ enduring gratitude to the United States will be remembered in this country. Fifty US Marines and a Marine band will participate in a range of commemorative events including a wreath-laying ceremony at the National War Memorial and a sunset ceremony at this Parliament. I ask the House to join me today in recording the enduring thanks of New Zealanders as we recall these events of 70 years ago. Today New Zealand and the United States are engaged in a new chapter of economic political and security cooperation playing a hugely constructive role in our region and beyond. Today we are reminded that that relationship has deep foundations in a friendship forged at a time of great danger to our country. Seventy years may have passed but New Zealanders have not forgotten.
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TE URUROA FLAVELL (Maori Party—Waiariki) 
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 Tena koe Mr Speaker. Kia ora tatau e te Whare. Me penei rawa te korero e rua etahi paku korero e pa ana ki te take nei. Tuatahi kai te tautoko ake i te motini i tona hanga ki te whakanui i te hunga i haere mai ai ki Aotearoa nei ka mutu i tae ki te mura o te ahi a i whakapau i te werawera mo te tika me te pono e ai ki ta wetahi. Pena ki te Rt Hon Winitana Pita e korero nei ehara i te mea me whakaae atu ki ta ratau i whakatakoto mai ai engari me mihi ra ki te hunga i tu ki te mura o te ahi mo te aha? Mo te tika me te pono. Tera tera korero.  
Ka rua kare to matou kaikorero a te Hon Tariana Turia i konei i tenei wa tonu nei. Engari mena i konei kua ki mai ia nona te waimaria i te mea ko tetahi wahanga o tona whakapapa heke mai ai i te hoia Amerikana i nga tau kua hipa ake. No reira ahakoa nga tautohetohe i tona mutunga mai ko ta Tariana ko te ki ka nui tana miharo ki te ahuatanga o tona whakapapa ki a Amerika ka mutu ki tona whakapapa ki a Whangaehu. No reira koinei taku i tu ake ai hai waha korero mona i tenei ra. Tuatahi ki te whakatau i te ahuatanga o te hunga mate. Waiho ratau kia moe. Ka mutu kia whakanui i te ahuatanga o te hunga ora ko Tariana tera ko tatau tenei. Huri noa kia ora tatau. 
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Thank you Mr Speaker. Greetings to us the House. Let me put it this way: there are two small parts relating to this matter. First I endorse the motion in terms of celebration for those who came here to New Zealand and those who went to the battle-front to exert themselves for what is right and valid according to some. Like what the Rt Hon Winston Peters said it does not mean that we have to agree with what they put before us but we must acknowledge those who stood at the battle-front—and for what purpose? For what is right and what is valid. That is that contribution.  
Secondly our spokesperson the Hon Tariana Turia is not here right at this moment. But had she been she would have said how lucky she was as one side of her family tree is from an American soldier of years past. So regardless of the disputes at the end of it all Tariana would say how she is full of admiration for the circumstances around her genealogical connection to America and those with Whangaehu. So this is why I stand to represent her today in the first instance to acknowledge those who have passed away. Allow them to rest there and then to celebrate the living. That is Tariana and us here. And so greetings to us throughout. 
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Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First) 
: 
 New Zealand First endorses the sentiments behind this motion. The fact is our soldiers were in Europe and in North Africa when to our shores and to our enormous relief the Americans came and died in their thousands north of this country. Prior to that it was for months an anxious hope on everyone’s lips and it was questioned as to when the Americans would come. Many of the people in generations or decades following that time sometimes forgot to be grateful for that event.  
Although we can disagree with a country like the United States on foreign policy it is never an excuse to be straight bad-mannered about it and I think we would all now in 2012 regret a part of that difference with the United States—not that we had a difference but the way we handled it. We may not always agree with United States foreign policy but they came in the cause of liberty and freedom to our shores and north of us lost men in their thousands in the theatres of war on different islands. Those of us who have been fortunate to see some of the burial grounds offshore realise just what a tragic sacrifice they made in the interests of Pacific peace. A mature nation should always honour that country and its soldiers who did that.
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Hon CLAYTON COSGROVE (Labour) 
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 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. Then we have a difficulty. I suspect we both have a difficulty actually—not Nick Smith but we have a difficulty—and that is that you have received some advice and I have also received advice not just from shall we say a non-senior official but from a senior official in this Chamber and we now have a situation of contrary advice to you and to me. I do not challenge—
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Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
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 I raise a point of order Mr Speaker. In the absence of a Government business statement at the beginning of the day it is my understanding that the intention of the Government next week to move— 
Mr SPEAKER 
: Order! The acting Leader of the House was about to make a business statement now.  
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: Sorry but he did not do it at the beginning. He did not stand up then.  
Mr SPEAKER 
: Order! The Business Committee had agreed that this motion would be dealt with at the commencement of today’s business. Does the acting Leader of the House wish to make a statement? 
Hon NATHAN GUY (Minister of Immigration) 
 on behalf of the Leader of the House: When the House resumes on Tuesday 19 June the Government intends to hold the combined 3-hour debate on the second readings of the Appropriation (2011/12 Supplementary Estimates) Bill and an Imprest Supply Bill and will look to progress the Committee stage of the Mixed Ownership Model Bill the Prisoners’ and Victims’ Claims (2012 Expiry and Application Dates) Amendment Bill and the Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill.  
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) 
: 
 Can I inquire of the acting Leader of the House whether in fact it is the Government’s intention to move on the liquor reform legislation within this session? 
Hon NATHAN GUY (Minister of Immigration) 
 on behalf of the Leader of the House: It is my understanding that the Alcohol Reform Bill is making good progress and that will be indicated at the Business Committee in due course.
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Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER 
: I do not need any assistance. Firstly that is not a matter of order of the House. That is something that would occur outside of the House and the member is correct in his assumption. So it not a matter of the order of the House—I will just say that. We have one speaker to go.