Sio Hon Aupito William; Mallard TrevorAupito WILLIAM SIO (Labour—Māngere): The previous speaker Jonathan Young said that we should not be treating this like a joke and we are not. And I hate myself for laughing. I hate myself for laughing but when Mr Bakshi got up and acknowledged his colleague for bringing this bill in all I saw Mr Alastair Scott wanting to do was to hide. When Mr Kris Faafoi says that this is one bill that will not be publicised and there will be no publicity around this—Stuart Nash: That was me.Aupito WILLIAM SIO: —we could see—oh maybe it was Mr Stuart Nash. We could see Mr Alastair Scott sort of hide. So I cannot help it and I hate myself for laughing because it is a serious matter but it is just the way that this bill has been brought about. Most people would stand up and be very proud of this occasion and then I saw Mr Alastair Scott stand there in silence for 20 or 30 seconds.I just happened to read about the Wanganui Computer Centre bombing and this is serious because it was a young man in 1982 a 22-year-old Neil Roberts who was killed during the Wanganui Computer Centre bombing. He was antiracist he was an anarchist in the peace movement and what he did was he targeted the computer rather than the police personnel but he has died as a result of the explosion. He left a graffiti message and the graffiti message says: We have maintained a silence closely resembling stupidity." I am not trying to belittle Mr Alastair Scott. It is just that sometimes we in the House or in this case the Government—I see Mr Scott holding this flag holding up this bill called the Crimes (Increased Penalty for Providing Explosive to Commit Crime) Amendment Bill whilst everything is burning around us in this House. Everything is burning and here is Mr Scott holding up the flag on this particular bill.This is the bill that I am holding up—on one piece of paper. That is the bill that this Parliament is now charged with debating and referring to select committee and then it will come back to the House for the second reading and the final reading. I do not know how much it would cost for that particular process but I would suspect—as Mr Ron Mark says what about the other issues? What about the more meaty issues that our communities are facing?If we look at clause 1 that is the title clause. Clause 2 is when the bill will commence. Clause 3 is referring to the principal Act which is the Crimes Act 1961. Clause 4 sets out the purpose of the Act which is increasing the penalty from 2 to 5 years and clause 5 is section 272 which he is amending. There is nothing further. So I now understand why Mr Scott sort of stood there in silence and was not sure how to complete his 10-minute speech. He was stunned. I was stunned you know because this is his bill.But I want to take on board what the Green Party said about increasing the penalty from 2 to 5 years. If we look to Florida where they have this rule called 10/20 life rule—if you produce a firearm to commit a crime it is 10 years. If you fire a firearm during a crime it is 20 years. If you shoot somebody irrespective of whether that person dies or not it is life. We know how harsh those penalties are and I suspect that that is what Mr Scott wanted to do with this bill which is to make the penalty harsher. But has it reduced crime in those countries? No. So I am not quite sure what he is trying to do with this bill. It would have been better if he looked at reviewing the whole Crimes Act of 1961.I also note that in the original bill it refers to providing explosives. So we are not talking about people blowing things up. We are talking about somebody walking down with a stick of dynamite but where do they get those? It would be pretty hard to get and as the Green Party has pointed out there have been three convictions in the last 10 years. Is it really appropriate for this Parliament to spend resources and time when we have got meatier matters? The original Act talks about "explosive substance". There is no definition in the original Act so we do not know what that means. The original Act talks about "dangerous engine"—The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Trevor Mallard): Order! The member's time has expired. I do want to compliment him for being both relevant and original."