Watts SimonSIMON WATTS (National—North Shore): Thank you very much Madam Chair. I wanted to move on to a different section of Subpart 2 and that is in regards to clause 20 which relates to penalties relating to individual contracts. The specific clauses that I'm interested in there are 1AAA and 1AAB in particular in regards to noting that An engager is liable to a penalty under this Act if the engager enters into an individual contract that includes a term that has the effect of breaching …" and then 1AAB again relating to those penalties. My questions are in regards to the scope of these penalties and seeking clarification from the Minister in terms of how he sees these new arrangements working in practice particularly around the penalty aspect.The second point of that is around the scope of what those penalties could or will entail. And the third aspect is in terms of the process or if there will be any process in terms of when these arrangements are in play what arrangements will there be in regards to subsequent review or monitoring in regards to ensuring that that aspect around penalties relating to individual contracts is appropriate and fit for purpose and I guess balanced in regards to the nature of you know penalties applied to the circumstance of the individual.So that's the three or four questions that I've got again in regards to Part 2 clause 20 of the bill. [Bell rung] Thank you much Madam Chair. I do know and I do acknowledge the Minister that we've had a reasonably good session in terms of back and forth. So we'll just go to another area of questioning just to provide a little bit of time and capacity for officials just to come back on on a couple of those previous questions because I think they are appropriate and we'll keep moving.So I think in regards to the penalty portion that I was referring to before I think the element that in particular I'm interested in hearing about is in terms of the scope in terms of the range in which those penalties involve and in what is the expectation in terms of baseline in terms of the de minimis in terms of when those penalties will come into play and when they won't. In particular what are the agencies or what are the groups that are going to be involved in terms of enforcement around that penalty regime? As I mentioned I think the clarity around the monitoring and review of that would be useful context just so that we can understand the scope of the implications of that clause within the bill.Hon MICHAEL WOOD (Minister for Workplace Relations and Safety): I thank the member for his questions about penalties. These provisions link through to Part 4 which does set out much more information about how the penalty regime will apply. They can potentially be applied by the Employment Relations Authority and depending on whether it's an individual or a body corporate penalties of up to $10000 or $20000 can apply for various breaches of provisions.In terms of there being a testing out as to the appropriateness of that regime really it's the same as the rest of our employment relations legislative regime in that parties are able to test their cases with that particular authority and then will have appeal rights if they believe that they have been treated inappropriately. Of course ultimately there is a role for this House to keep an eye on things and to ensure that they are being applied appropriately."