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Guy Nathan: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee 
Guy Nathan: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:644;Page:13603] 
NATHAN GUY (Junior Whip—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Chairperson. I would like you to reflect on Standing Order 137(3). It is very very important. This is a hugely contentious bill that is in front of Parliament this afternoon and we have members seeking to take a call on this. As you have seen many of our colleagues still want to make a contribution. We have been mindful not to be repetitive; we have been sticking to the clause by clause nature of the debate in focusing on clause 117D. This clause concerns one of the most important matters of this bill and members on our side are still seeking to take a call. So I urge you Madam Chairperson to reflect in your ruling that we still have some valuable new points to make in consideration of clause 117D in Part 2B. 
The CHAIRPERSON (Ann Hartley) 
: I thank the member. The National Party has had seven speeches on this matter and I consider that it is fair and proper to take the closure at this time.
Cullen Michael: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee 
Cullen Michael: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee 
[Volume:644;Page:13603] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I move  
That the question be now put 
.
Cullen Michael: Appropriation (2006/07 Financial Review) Bill — First Reading 
Cullen Michael: Appropriation (2006/07 Financial Review) Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:644;Page:13601] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Minister of Finance) 
: 
 I move  
That the Appropriation (2006/07 Financial Review) Bill be now read a first time. 
Bill read a first time.
Power Simon: Urgent Debates Declined — Capital and Coast District Health Board—State of Health Services Ombudsman’s Report—Investigation into Criminal Justice Sector 
Power Simon: Urgent Debates Declined — Capital and Coast District Health Board—State of Health Services Ombudsman’s Report—Investigation into Criminal Justice Sector 
[Volume:644;Page:13601] 
SIMON POWER (National—Rangitikei) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. I thank you for your ruling on my request for an urgent debate into the Ombudsman’s report. Of course I accept that ruling but I would though ask for you to clarify that ruling against your ruling following the Ombudsman’s report into the Department of Corrections in relation to the transport of prisoners. That was of course a report where you did allow an urgent debate. This report that you considered today was requested by the Prime Minister and had a link to direct ministerial responsibility unlike that former report and I wonder whether you could just clarify the circumstances as to why the decline of the request today has been forthcoming given such a clear example of ministerial responsibility linking it to the Prime Minister’s request for that report in the first instance. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: Each application is obviously considered on its merits. I considered this one seriously. As I said I thought it was important but looking at the criteria that are required the application did not fulfil them on this occasion which is not to say that it may not on another occasion.
Wilson Margaret: Urgent Debates Declined — Capital and Coast District Health Board—State of Health Services Ombudsman’s Report—Investigation into Criminal Justice Sector 
Wilson Margaret: Urgent Debates Declined — Capital and Coast District Health Board—State of Health Services Ombudsman’s Report—Investigation into Criminal Justice Sector 
[Volume:644;Page:13600] 
Madam SPEAKER 
: I have also received a letter from Simon Power seeking to debate under Standing Order 380 the Ombudsman’s investigation into issues involving the criminal justice sector. This is a case of recent occurrence and involves administrative responsibility of the Government. The Ombudsman’s report considers the overall operation of the justice system and contains his views and suggestions. The issues are important but to justify the setting aside of the House’s business there must be an element of urgency; see Speaker’s ruling 165/4. While on occasion the release of a report may warrant an urgent debate the circumstances must be exceptional where working through the report will take some time; see Speaker’s ruling 166/4. There will be other opportunities for the House to consider these issues once decisions are made. In these circumstances I do not believe that setting aside the House’s business for an urgent debate today can be justified. The application is therefore declined.
Wilson Margaret: Urgent Debates Declined — Capital and Coast District Health Board—State of Health Services Ombudsman’s Report—Investigation into Criminal Justice Sector 
Wilson Margaret: Urgent Debates Declined — Capital and Coast District Health Board—State of Health Services Ombudsman’s Report—Investigation into Criminal Justice Sector 
[Volume:644;Page:13600] 
Madam SPEAKER 
: I have received a letter from Heather Roy seeking to debate under Standing Order 380 the state of health services at the Capital and Coast District Health Board. In her letter the member refers to a leaked confidential report to the Capital and Coast District Health Board advising cutting doctors’ numbers and outsourcing some specialties. No decisions however have yet been made and in these circumstances I do not believe that it is a particular case of recent occurrence requiring the immediate attention of the House. Furthermore as I have said before there are other opportunities to consider the performance of district health boards. The financial review of the Capital and Coast District Health Board is currently before the Health Committee. The application is declined.
Blue Jackie: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Blue Jackie: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
[Volume:644;Page:13600] 
10.  
Dr JACKIE BLUE (National) 
 to the  
Chairperson of the Health Committee 
: When will the 2006-07 financial review of the Ministry of Health be completed? 
SUE KEDGLEY (Chairperson of the Health Committee): 
 In the very near future. 
Dr Jackie Blue 
: Will further time be allocated for the Ministry of Health to appear before the committee to explain why it was involved in the plan as revealed in the newspaper today to axe 50 doctors from the Capital and Coast District Health Board which followed a report about 23 serious and sentinel events that occurred there between 2003 and 2005 resulting in the deaths of 16 patients? 
SUE KEDGLEY 
: I rather suspect that the committee will want a briefing on this rather extraordinary development which we learnt about today. 
Hon Tony Ryall 
: I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. The chair of the committee did not address the question one iota at all. The question from Jackie Blue asked whether the Ministry of Health would reappear before the select committee and the chair did not talk about that. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: No I am sorry but she did address the question. Given the confines of the ability of chairs to answer these questions may I observe that they were all done—all of them—very well.
Coleman Jonathan: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Coleman Jonathan: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
[Volume:644;Page:13599] 
9.  
Dr JONATHAN COLEMAN (National—Northcote) 
 to the  
Chairperson of the Health Committee 
: When will the 2006/07 financial review of the Waitemata District Health Board be completed? 
SUE KEDGLEY (Chairperson of the Health Committee): 
 As we have not begun the review yet I have no idea. 
Dr Jonathan Coleman 
: Once we have begun the review will there be an opportunity for members of the public to come before the committee and share their experiences of lying on hospital trolleys in North Shore Hospital’s emergency department for periods of up to 24 hours in the course of which the Prime Minister breezed through to unveil a statue? 
SUE KEDGLEY 
: If the member requests such an opportunity I am sure the committee will consider that request very seriously.
Goodhew Jo: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Goodhew Jo: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
[Volume:644;Page:13599] 
8.  
JO GOODHEW (National—Aoraki) 
 to the  
Chairperson of the Health Committee 
: How many submissioners have been heard on the inquiry into the provision of ambulance services? 
SUE KEDGLEY (Chairperson of the Health Committee): 
 Eleven. 
Jo Goodhew 
: Has the Health Committee received a briefing from the Ministry of Health that addresses reports from submitters that ambulance services in some parts of New Zealand are fragmented with some rural areas receiving substandard access to ambulance services and that in the case of some rural fire services 80 percent of their call-outs are ambulance calls and only 20 percent are for fires? 
SUE KEDGLEY 
: Yes.
Worth Richard: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Worth Richard: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
[Volume:644;Page:13599] 
7.  
Dr RICHARD WORTH (National) 
 to the  
Chairperson of the Commerce Committee 
: Has the committee finished hearing evidence on the Regulatory Responsibility Bill? 
GERRY BROWNLEE (Chairperson of the Commerce Committee): 
 There are two submitters who wish to be heard by the committee at this point. The dilemma the committee is facing is over the availability of suitable rooms in the complex in which to hear those submitters because they live in far-flung parts of New Zealand and we wish to offer them the opportunity to be heard by videoconference. Of course that presents a problem also because in far-flung parts of New Zealand there are no videoconferencing facilities. So the committee may yet have to travel further in order that those New Zealanders may give their views on this most important bill. 
Dr Richard Worth 
: When is the bill due to be reported back and does he expect that the bill will be reported back prior to the due date? 
GERRY BROWNLEE 
: The bill is due to be reported back I am advised by 19 May 2008— 
Hon Dr Michael Cullen 
: You were in the chair. 
GERRY BROWNLEE 
: Yes that is right. I should know; Dr Cullen is right. I wish to apologise to the House for not being as specific as I could be. None the less I am advised that the bill is due back in the House by 19 May 2008 and at this stage it would appear that the committee’s workload will mean that the bill will be reported back by about that date.
Auchinvole Chris: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Auchinvole Chris: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
[Volume:644;Page:13598] 
6.  
CHRIS AUCHINVOLE (National) 
 to the  
Chairperson of the Primary Production Committee 
: When will the committee finalise the 2006-07 financial review of Timberlands West Coast? 
Hon DAVID CARTER (Chairperson of the Primary Production Committee): 
 The committee is in its final stages of consideration and expects to report very very shortly. 
Chris Auchinvole 
: Is he aware of statements made by Ministers Cullen and Hodgson throughout 2002 that Timberlands West Coast had a viable financial future and is still— 
Madam SPEAKER 
: I am sorry. This matter is not appropriate.
Roy Eric: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Roy Eric: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
[Volume:644;Page:13598] 
5.  
ERIC ROY (National—Invercargill) 
 to the  
Chairperson of the Local Government and Environment Committee 
: What progress has been made on the committee’s consideration of the Marine Reserves Bill? 
MOANA MACKEY (Chairperson of the Local Government and Environment Committee): 
 Submissions on the bill have been heard and the report date for the bill is 13 June 2008. 
Eric Roy 
: Does the chairperson expect to complete consideration in 2008 or will the committee be seeking extensions as it has have done on a regular basis? 
MOANA MACKEY 
: Decisions around timetabling are a matter for the committee. As that member well knows there is nothing stopping him from attending the committee in order to be part of those decisions.
Finlayson Christopher: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Finlayson Christopher: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
[Volume:644;Page:13598] 
4.  
CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON (National) 
 to the  
Chairperson of the Justice and Electoral Committee 
: When does the committee expect to deliberate on the victims’ rights inquiry? 
LYNNE PILLAY (Chairperson of the Justice and Electoral Committee): 
 I am delighted to say that the committee deliberated on the victims’ rights inquiry this morning and authorised the chair to issue a press release announcing that the report would be presented in the near future. That member who is the deputy chair would have known that if he had read his agenda and not skived off early from the committee meeting. 
Christopher Finlayson 
: Can the chairperson give an assurance that any submitters who appeared before the committee to assist it with its inquiry received ample time to actually make their submissions unlike the shambolic process engaged in with the Electoral Finance Bill? 
LYNNE PILLAY 
: Yes I can. I can assure the member that submitters were treated very well by the committee. I can also assure the member that when the committee undertook its trip to Australia to investigate and get advice on human rights over there—a trip on which the member refused to accompany the committee—we received really good advice there too.
Henare Tau: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Henare Tau: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
[Volume:644;Page:13597] 
3.  
Hon TAU HENARE (National) 
 to the  
Chairperson of the Maori Affairs Committee 
: When does the committee expect to be able to report to the House on the petition of Hariata Baker requesting that the House ensure the will of Pukepuke Tangiora be revived in its original form as it was before the implementation of the recommendations contained in the Native Affairs Committee report on Petition 52/1942? 
DAVE HEREORA (Chairperson of the Maori Affairs Committee): 
 As the member is fully aware the committee is yet to decide on this matter. 
Hon Tau Henare 
: Has this petition raised broader issues relating to the administration of Maori property trusts and has the committee considered a wider inquiry into Maori property trusts and the role of the Crown in appointing trustees instead of the beneficiaries of the trust appointing trustees; if not why not? 
DAVE HEREORA 
: The issue raised by the member is currently before the committee and I refuse to comment at this time.
Hobbs Marian: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Hobbs Marian: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
[Volume:644;Page:13597] 
Hon MARIAN HOBBS (Labour—Wellington Central) 
: 
 On behalf of the chairperson of the Education and Science Committee— 
Madam SPEAKER 
: I am sorry but unless the chair is out of the country the deputy chair cannot reply. Is the chair out of the country? No. Then I am sorry—[ 
Interruption 
] A member may seek leave for that if he or wishes to. Leave is not sought. Then I call question No. 3 to members.
Rich Katherine: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Rich Katherine: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
[Volume:644;Page:13597] 
KATHERINE RICH (National) 
: 
 My question is to the chairperson of the Education and Science Committee and asks: what progress has been made on the committee’s inquiry into making the schooling system work for every child?
Hide Rodney: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Hide Rodney: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
[Volume:644;Page:13597] 
1.  
RODNEY HIDE (Leader—ACT) 
 to the  
Chairperson of the Commerce Committee 
: What progress has the committee made on considering the Regulatory Responsibility Bill? 
GERRY BROWNLEE (Chairperson of the Commerce Committee): 
 The select committee received this bill some time ago and went through an extensive process of listening to the points that were made by various submitters. In the course of hearing those submissions the overwhelming feeling was that this was a good bill with an intention that was much required inside the New Zealand regulatory environment. A number of submitters suggested ways in which the bill might be made to even further enhance the opportunity of ensuring regulatory responsibility in New Zealand and so the select committee has embarked on a process of informing itself of how the bill which will come back to the House might best achieve that. 
Rodney Hide 
: Is there any other matter of this most extraordinary committee that this most able chairman would like to bring to the attention of the House at this time? 
Madam SPEAKER 
: That question is fine as long as members know that the member who responds is to talk about questions of process not the substance of matters that are before the committee. 
GERRY BROWNLEE 
: It would certainly be a rare thing in this House for anybody to answer a question with substance in it. My answer to the member is yes. The work of the select committee involved a housing inquiry as the member will know. The preliminary results of that inquiry were so alarming that Helen Clark was moved to take one of our committee members and put her in Cabinet— 
Madam SPEAKER 
: We are now moving into conclusions.
Soper Lesley: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Soper Lesley: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
[Volume:644;Page:13595] 
11.  
LESLEY SOPER (Labour) 
 to the  
Minister of Housing 
: What recent announcements has she made regarding partnerships between the Labour-led Government and territorial authorities? 
Hon MARYAN STREET (Minister of Housing) 
: 
 Yesterday I opened Whakahoa Village in Christchurch which will provide 20 modern affordable homes. This fantastic $5 million project was jointly funded by the Labour-led Government and the Christchurch City Council. This is a great example of how this Government and territorial authorities are working together to make housing more affordable. 
Lesley Soper 
: What other initiatives have been developed in partnership with territorial authorities to encourage the establishment of more affordable housing? 
Hon MARYAN STREET 
: On Tuesday the Affordable Housing: Enabling Territorial Authorities Bill was introduced which gives territorial authorities the tools they need to help keep homeownership as part of the Kiwi dream. This is one of a number of initiatives that this Government is considering. Unlike National we understand that the solution to housing affordability is more complex than slashing environmental controls and selling off State houses. 
Pita Paraone 
: Tena koe Madam Speaker. Is the Minister concerned that the bill as it stands could possibly have the effect of making the majority of housing less affordable while making a small number of houses more affordable? 
Hon MARYAN STREET 
: No I am not. It will take more devices than this bill only to pop the housing affordability bubble. But there is no sustainable evidence for us to infer that this will make housing more unaffordable; quite the reverse is true. 
Gordon Copeland 
: Is the Minister planning any further announcements aimed at removing zoning interventions by territorial authorities such as Auckland’s metropolitan urban limit with a view to increasing the supply of land for new housing thus reducing section prices and wrong-footing greedy land bankers? 
Hon MARYAN STREET 
: The issues to which the member alludes are really quite problematic. In fact we have to consider as a country whether we want to perpetuate urban sprawl or whether some greater density of housing is a more appropriate and environmentally sensible way to proceed with affordable housing.
Mackey Moana: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Mackey Moana: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
[Volume:644;Page:13594] 
9.  
MOANA MACKEY (Labour) 
 to the  
Minister for Social Development and Employment 
: What reports has she received regarding the number of unallocated cases within Child Youth and Family? 
Hon RUTH DYSON (Minister for Social Development and Employment) 
: 
 I am delighted to report to the House that I have received a report that the number of unallocated cases has plummeted by 83 percent over the last 3 years. This is an absolutely fantastic achievement. It is the result of a continued focus within all Child Youth and Family sites on providing the right services to children young people and their families and ensuring that they get these services as quickly as possible. 
Moana Mackey 
: What reports has the Minister received regarding unallocated cases in Whakatane? 
Hon RUTH DYSON 
: I can advise the House that I visited the Child Youth and Family office in Whakatane with the member who is asking the question. Social workers and managers at that office were delighted to inform me that every single case has been allocated within the required time frames. Local managers and staff are intent on providing excellent services to their community and they deserve to be congratulated on this outstanding achievement. 
Sue Bradford 
: Is the Government going to implement the Children’s Commissioner’s call for systematic assessment and intervention where needed for all babies children and young people in order to change the reality faced by those New Zealand children for whom as the commissioner said today the battle for survival remains a major challenge? 
Hon RUTH DYSON 
: I am working alongside other colleagues and the Children’s Commissioner on her proposal.
Brownlee Gerry: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Brownlee Gerry: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
[Volume:644;Page:13591] 
6.  
GERRY BROWNLEE (National—Ilam) 
 to the  
Minister of State Services 
: Does he have confidence in the Public Service? 
Hon DAVID PARKER (Minister of State Services) 
: 
 Yes. 
Gerry Brownlee 
: If a briefing has been provided to a Minister in order to assist him or her to answer a question in the House and the briefing for example states that there have been complaints—about any particular issue—from a number of Government departments and officials would the Minister expect those complaining departments or officials to be identified? 
Hon DAVID PARKER 
: I am not sure whether I follow the import of that question. But I restate that I have confidence in the public sector. 
Gerry Brownlee 
: I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. The Minister says he does not understand the question. Can I clarify the question? 
Madam SPEAKER 
: If the member wishes to put another question then he should please do so. 
Gerry Brownlee 
: No I do not. I am still on a point of order. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: The Minister addressed the question. His answer was that he did not understand the question. The member has the opportunity to ask another question. 
Gerry Brownlee 
: When the briefing note was provided for the Hon Trevor Mallard speaking on his behalf in the House about a week ago during which Mr Mallard managed to besmirch the reputation of Erin Leigh by saying that six pieces of her work were rejected and there were numerous complaints from other Government departments agencies and officials including himself were all the other agencies identified? 
Hon DAVID PARKER 
: That does not seem to be a matter within my responsibility in the context of this question.
Brownlee Gerry: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Brownlee Gerry: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
[Volume:644;Page:13587] 
4.  
GERRY BROWNLEE (National—Ilam) 
 to the  
Minister for the Environment 
: Does he have confidence in the chief executive of the Ministry for the Environment; if so why? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Minister for the Environment) 
: 
 As I have previously told the member confidence in the chief executive is a matter for the State Services Commissioner. 
Gerry Brownlee 
: Has he had any discussions with the State Services Commissioner about the competence of Mr Logan noting particularly that less than a week after providing the Minister with incorrect information for which the Minister had to come down to the House and make a correction Hugh Logan has done it again; and why in this case relating to the attack on Erin Leigh does the Minister find it so hard to make a correction and an apology? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: I have regular discussions with Dr Prebble. 
Gerry Brownlee 
: Why did it take 2 weeks for Hugh Logan to apologise publicly for the incorrect information that was used by the Minister in the House to savage Ms Leigh’s credibility and what prompted that course of action by Mr Logan? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: I think that is something that is better taken up—probably by a select committee—with Mr Logan. 
Gerry Brownlee 
: If all the blame for the vicious attack on Erin Leigh lies with Hugh Logan and the ministry as they have publicly said then why is it so hard for the Minister to say sorry for his part in this shameful fiasco? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: I am waiting to see Dr Prebble’s report. 
Gerry Brownlee 
: Can we take it from the Minister’s answer that Dr Prebble’s report will say something different from Mr Logan’s public statement yesterday and in fact will verify that the Minister was given the specific information that he shared with the House when he savaged Ms Leigh? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: I am not a mind reader. 
Gerry Brownlee 
: Is it the case that when the Minister saw the question on the question sheet about a week back relating to Erin Leigh blowing the whistle on David Parker’s interference in the ministry’s employment matters he got on the phone called the ministry and said: “Give me the dirt on this woman so that I can answer in the House and take her out because anybody who disagrees with the Labour Government is an enemy of the State.”? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: No that is not correct. 
Gerry Brownlee 
: How many more chances does the Minister think Mr Logan should be given now that he has damaged the careers of two women who have worked in his ministry and has made two Ministers look shifty and incompetent? 
Hon TREVOR MALLARD 
: Matters of competence are matters for the State Services Commissioner but of course I do not accept the points made in the latter part of the question.
Cullen Michael: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Cullen Michael: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
[Volume:644;Page:13587] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 The member clearly did not listen to the exchange between myself and Mr Brownlee on the House’s business. In response to popular request the House will be sitting in the third week of this sitting. 
Madam SPEAKER 
: That was not a point of order and it would seem to me to have been addressed in the business statement.
English Bill: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
English Bill: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
[Volume:644;Page:13587] 
Hon BILL ENGLISH (Deputy Leader—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Madam Speaker. I wonder whether the Minister of Justice might want to correct an answer—this being the first opportunity to do so. She told the House that she would give an interpretation of clause 80(d) before the Electoral Finance Bill is passed. The statement of business that the Leader of the House gave does not refer at all to the third reading of that bill. We presume that the third reading will not occur in that case until next year—unless the Leader of the House changes his statement of business. So now would be a good opportunity for the Minister of Justice to tell us in the light of the fact that the Government is not planning to have the third reading of the bill in the next 10 days when she will give us that interpretation.
Hobbs Marian: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
Hobbs Marian: Questions for Oral Answer — Questions to Ministers Questions to Members 
[Volume:644;Page:13585] 
2.  
Hon MARIAN HOBBS (Labour—Wellington Central) 
 to the  
Minister of Research Science and Technology 
: Has he received any reports on the returns from Government-sponsored research and development for businesses? 
Hon PETE HODGSON (Minister of Research Science and Technology) 
: 
 I have; this Labour-led Government’s support for business research and development is paying handsome dividends. An evaluation of the Technology for Business Growth scheme just completed shows that over an 18-month period turnover of firms participating had gone up by 30 percent and exports for those firms had gone up by 35 percent. 
Hon Marian Hobbs 
: If turnover and exports have risen has research and development itself gone up and have new products resulted from this investment? 
Hon PETE HODGSON 
: Yes; research and development has been measured and it too has risen by 37 percent over 18 months and a total of 127 new products processes or services have eventuated in that time. I look forward to still further increases in investment by the private sector in research and development especially when the new taxation change for research and development comes into action in April next year. I express again my bewilderment that National continues to oppose those tax changes.
Cullen Michael: Business Statement 
Cullen Michael: Business Statement 
[Volume:644;Page:13583] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I presume to correct the member: the published parliamentary calendar shows the last session of this year starting on Tuesday 4 December; it did not mention any finishing date. The assumption is of course that Tuesday 25 December could not be a sitting day though that is not in fact prevented I think by the Standing Orders. I think it is almost inevitable that we shall run into the third week of the session. I cannot tell members what day we might finish in that regard. I look forward to all members having a cheerful Christmas week in front of that. Whether there is a members’ day next week we shall see.
Brownlee Gerry: Business Statement 
Brownlee Gerry: Business Statement 
[Volume:644;Page:13583] 
GERRY BROWNLEE (National—Ilam) 
: 
 Noting that next Wednesday is a members’ day does the Leader of the House expect that we will in fact be having our members’ day next Wednesday and given also that the published parliamentary calendar shows a concluding date somewhere in the week ahead can he indicate whether the business of the House will flow into the week following with a conclusion of business about 20 December?
Cullen Michael: Business Statement 
Cullen Michael: Business Statement 
[Volume:644;Page:13583] 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 Next week in the House priority will be given to the completion of the Committee stage of the Electoral Finance Bill the third reading of the Education (Tertiary Reforms) Amendment Bill the remaining stages of the Taxation (Annual Rates Business Taxation KiwiSaver and Remedial Matters) Bill and the Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill (No 2) and a range of first readings.
Appropriation (2006/07 Financial Review) Bill — First Reading 
Appropriation (2006/07 Financial Review) Bill — First Reading 
[Volume:644;Page:13601] 
Appropriation (2006/07 Financial Review) Bill 
First Reading 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Minister of Finance) 
: 
 I move  
That the Appropriation (2006/07 Financial Review) Bill be now read a first time. 
Bill read a first time.
Business Statement 
Business Statement 
[Volume:644;Page:13583] 
Thursday 6 December 2007 
Madam Speaker 
 took the Chair at 2 p.m. 
Prayers 
. 
Business Statement 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 Next week in the House priority will be given to the completion of the Committee stage of the Electoral Finance Bill the third reading of the Education (Tertiary Reforms) Amendment Bill the remaining stages of the Taxation (Annual Rates Business Taxation KiwiSaver and Remedial Matters) Bill and the Dairy Industry Restructuring Amendment Bill (No 2) and a range of first readings. 
GERRY BROWNLEE (National—Ilam) 
: 
 Noting that next Wednesday is a members’ day does the Leader of the House expect that we will in fact be having our members’ day next Wednesday and given also that the published parliamentary calendar shows a concluding date somewhere in the week ahead can he indicate whether the business of the House will flow into the week following with a conclusion of business about 20 December? 
Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN (Leader of the House) 
: 
 I presume to correct the member: the published parliamentary calendar shows the last session of this year starting on Tuesday 4 December; it did not mention any finishing date. The assumption is of course that Tuesday 25 December could not be a sitting day though that is not in fact prevented I think by the Standing Orders. I think it is almost inevitable that we shall run into the third week of the session. I cannot tell members what day we might finish in that regard. I look forward to all members having a cheerful Christmas week in front of that. Whether there is a members’ day next week we shall see.
English Bill: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
English Bill: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:644;Page:13495] 
Hon BILL ENGLISH (Deputy Leader—National) 
: 
 There are any number of stupidities in Part 2 of the Electoral Finance Bill that we could talk about—for instance that it is illegal for Television New Zealand to run the election ads it is obliged by the Broadcasting Act to run; that if people carry a placard in a protest they have to put their name and address on it and get it authorised by their party’s financial agent; and that there are now 97 different requirements that people have to meet to have a public opinion in election year. 
Hon Tony Ryall 
: How many? 
Hon BILL ENGLISH 
: There are only 97 in this part of the bill. The Government had 2 years; why could it not come up with 197? Then at least it would have something to show for it. 
I am going to be selfish; I am going to talk about the effort that MPs have made to understand how they can comply with this part. If they do not there is a $40000 fine. 
Progress reported. 
Report adopted.
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The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Clem Simich) 
: No that is not something that is done for members I am afraid to say. The member who made a speech may inquire into doing that but not other members.
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ANNE TOLLEY (Senior Whip—National) 
: 
 I raise a point of order Mr Chairperson. Could I ask please that the  
Hansard 
 of the Minister’s address that opened the debate on this part be made available to us in writing by the end of the sitting tonight? I believe that the Minister laid out some quite pivotal information that will be necessary for us to continue this debate tomorrow.
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That Part 1 as amended be agreed to. 
Ayes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; United Future 2; Progressive 1. 
Noes 56 
New Zealand National 48; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Independents: Copeland Field. 
Part 1 as amended agreed to.
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; United Future 2; Progressive 1. 
Noes 56 
New Zealand National 48; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Independents: Copeland Field. 
Amendments agreed to.
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Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendments be agreed to. 
Ayes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; United Future 2; Progressive 1. 
Noes 56 
New Zealand National 48; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Independents: Copeland Field. 
Amendments agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 163 in the name of the Hon Annette King to Part 1 be agreed to.
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand National 48; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Independents: Copeland Field. 
Noes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; United Future 2; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 162 in the name of the Hon Annette King to Part 1 be agreed to.
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand National 48; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Independents: Copeland Field. 
Noes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; United Future 2; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 166 in the name of Christopher Finlayson to clause 19 be agreed to.
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:644;Page:13485] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand National 48; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Independents: Copeland Field. 
Noes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; United Future 2; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 166 in the name of Christopher Finlayson to clause 18 be agreed to.
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:644;Page:13485] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand National 48; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Independents: Copeland Field. 
Noes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; United Future 2; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 166 in the name of Christopher Finlayson to clause 17 be agreed to.
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:644;Page:13485] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand National 48; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Independents: Copeland Field. 
Noes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; United Future 2; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 166 in the name of Christopher Finlayson to clause 16 be agreed to.
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:644;Page:13484] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand National 48; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Independents: Copeland Field. 
Noes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; United Future 2; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 166 in the name of Christopher Finlayson to clause 14 be agreed to.
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:644;Page:13484] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand National 48; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Independents: Copeland Field. 
Noes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; United Future 2; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 166 in the name of Christopher Finlayson to clause 14(2)(a) be agreed to.
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:644;Page:13484] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand National 48; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Independents: Copeland Field. 
Noes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; United Future 2; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to.Amendments agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 166 in the name of Christopher Finlayson and the following amendment in his name to clause 9 be agreed to: 
to add to  
paragraph (c) 
 the words “; and” 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 166 in the name of Christopher Finlayson to clause 14(1)(b) be agreed to.
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand National 48; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Independents: Copeland Field. 
Noes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; United Future 2; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 166 in the name of Christopher Finlayson to omit clause 5 and substitute new clause 5 be agreed to.
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:644;Page:13483] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand National 48; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Independents: Copeland Field. 
Noes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; United Future 2; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 166 in the name of Christopher Finlayson to clause 4 to omit the definition of  
third party 
 be agreed to.
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:644;Page:13483] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand National 48; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Independents: Copeland Field. 
Noes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; United Future 2; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 166 in the name of Christopher Finlayson to clause 4 to omit and substitute the definition of  
regulated period 
 be agreed to.
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand National 48; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Independents: Copeland Field. 
Noes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; United Future 2; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 166 in the name of Christopher Finlayson to clause 4 to omit and substitute the definition of  
publish 
 be agreed to.
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
[Volume:644;Page:13482] 
A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand National 48; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Independents: Copeland Field. 
Noes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; United Future 2; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 166 in the name of Christopher Finlayson to clause 4 to add new paragraph (c) to the definition of  
periodical 
 be agreed to.
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand National 48; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Independents: Copeland Field. 
Noes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; United Future 2; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 166 in the name of Christopher Finlayson to clause 4 to insert the definition of  
interest group 
 be agreed to.
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the amendment be agreed to. 
Ayes 56 
New Zealand National 48; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Independents: Copeland Field. 
Noes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; United Future 2; Progressive 1. 
Amendment not agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 166 in the name of Christopher Finlayson to insert new clause 3A be agreed to.
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
Vote: Electoral Finance Bill — In Committee Speaker Recalled In Committee 
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A party vote was called for on the question  
That the question be now put. 
Ayes 65 
New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; United Future 2; Progressive 1. 
Noes 56 
New Zealand National 48; Maori Party 4; ACT New Zealand 2; Independents: Copeland Field. 
Motion agreed to. 
The question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 166 in the name of Christopher Finlayson to Part 1 to omit “third party” in each place where it appears and substitute “interest group” be agreed to.