A: UH SAFE SAFE A LOT OF SAFETY I'M I'M NOT SURE BECAUSE UH UH WHEN I GO TO THE UH UH TO THE CITY CENTER THERE THERE'S LIKE MANY PEOPLE WHO'S LOIT WHO IS LOITERING AND UH UM I DON'T THINK THAT THEY WORK AND THEY ALSO LIKE ASK YOU FOR FOR MONEY FOR FOR CHANGE FOR LIKE SOME SOME COIN SO YEAH AND I THINK SOME SOME UH WOMEN THERE ARE HARASSED YOU KNOW AND YEAH SO IN CITY CITY CENTER IT'S NOT QUITE QUITE SAFE UH BUT LIKE IN UH IN LIKE THE SUBURB THERE'S LIKE THERE'S NOT MANY THERE'S NOT MANY PEOPLE SO SO SO MAYBE YOU YOU FEEL YOU FEEL LESS SAFE BUT LIKE NOTHING EVER HAPPENS THERE YEAH SO SO PROBABLY IT IS MUCH SAFER IN LIKE THE SUBURB BUT LIKE THERE'S UH THERE'S NOT MANY PEOPLE UM NO HOWEVER THERE'S THERE'S ONE THING <DTMF> THAT MAYBE MAYBE STILL SCARES ME UM BECAUSE BECAUSE UH THEY THEY HAVE LIKE SO THEY THEY'RE VERY LIKE UH SPACIOUS YOU KNOW THEY THEY HAVE SO MANY LIKE LAND LIKE EMPTY LAND SO MAYBE WHEN WHEN WHEN THEY WHEN SOME PEOPLE ARE KILLED THEN THE BODY WILL BE BURIED BURIED SOMEWHERE THAT THAT IS REALLY HARD TO FIND YEAH SO SO YEAH SO THAT'S ONE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STILL BO BOTHERS ME ABOUT AUSTRALIA

B: YEAH

A: I'M I'M NOT SURE HOW HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT AND UH BEFORE BEFORE I WENT TO AUSTRALIA UH I HAD A FEAR ABOUT LIKE LIKE VERY BIG BIG SPIDER AND BIG ANIMALS IN AUSTRALIA BUT WHEN I GO THERE WHEN I LIVED IN THE CITY ACTUALLY I LIKE ALMOST NEVER NEVER SEE ANY LIKE REALLY BIG BIG ONES LIKE JUST LIKE UM REGULAR UM REGULAR SIZE REGULAR SIZE SPIDERS YEAH SO SO MAYBE IF YOU LIVE IF YOU LIVE IN OUTBACK OF AUSTRALIA THEN YOU WOULD UH NEED TO WORRY ABOUT THAT YEAH

B: I I I THINK A LOT OF UH A LOT OF PEOPLE AND YOU KNOW ALSO UH THE MEDIA LIKE THEY THEY TEND TO EXAGGERATE DO YOU LIKE THE SITUATION A LOT

A: OH YEAH

B: SO UH YEAH I I THINK LIKE THO THOSE ANIMALS THEY ONLY LIKE THEY ONLY LIVE IN LIKE CERTAIN AREAS BUT UH PEOPLE WOULD JUST YOU KNOW EXAGGERATE IT AND YOU KNOW SCARE SCARE FOREIGNERS

A: OH YEAH THAT'S THAT'S TRUE

B: ACTUALLY NOT THE CASE

A: OKAY YEAH BUT

B: YEAH

A: UH ACTUALLY THEY HAVE LIKE LOT OF KAN KANGAROOS AND UH AT AT THE TIME UH I'M I'M SURE WHAT WAS IT WHAT IS MAR MARSUPIAL RIGHT LIKE LIKE THE

B: MM YEAH

A: LIKE WITH WITH THE BATS

B: YEAH YEAH

A: YEAH SO YEAH THEY THEY THEY HAVE THEY DO HAVE SOME LIKE REAL CUTE UH CUTE ONES YEAH BUT BUT BUT BIG ONE AND SCARY ONE THEY THEY ALSO HAVE THAT

B: YEAH

A: SO PROBABLY YOU SHOULD PREPARE FOR THAT BEFORE YOU GO TO AUSTRALIA UH OTHERWISE THE YEAH AUSTRALIA IS IS A REALLY GOOD PLACE TO TO LIVE AND MAYBE YOU SHOULD LIKE MOVE THERE AND BECOME LIKE A A PERMANENT RESIDENT OR LIKE A CITIZEN OR SOMETHING YEAH IT'S YEAH I HIGHLY RECOMMEND AUSTRALIA FULLY OR WHAT ABOUT

B: YEAH

A: EU EUROPE DO YOU WANT TO GO BEEN THERE BECAUSE UH I HAVE NEVER BEEN THERE TOO YOU KNOW AND UH I I I WOULD I WOULD LIKE TO G TO EUROPE SOMEWHERE BUT I'M I'M NOT SURE ABOUT LIVING IN EUROPE RIGHT BUT WHAT ABOUT YOU

B: YEAH I I I WANT TO TO LIKE VISIT UH A FEW COUNTRIES BUT I DON'T THINK UH I'M GOING TO UH LIVE THERE UM UH I I I I'VE HEARD A LOT OF UM YOU KNOW NOT VERY NICE THINGS ABOUT LIKE THE LIFE OVER THERE BUT I'M ALSO NOT SURE BECAUSE UH LIKE THOSE OPINIONS MIGHT JUST BE UH YOU KNOW SUBJECTIVE AND NEED TO DO SOME RESEARCH ON THAT BUT BY THE WAY WE WE ONLY HAVE UH UH LESS THAN A MINUTE ON THE MEETING

A: OKAY

B: YEAH ZOOM ZOOM IS GONNA CLOSE

A: ALL RIGHT SO LET'S FINISH THE CONVERSATION LATER AND SAY IF UH WE HIT UH UH <DTMF> UH IF NOT ENOUGH AND THEN I THINK WE WILL CONTINUE ANOTHER ONE SESSION ALL RIGHT BYE

A: BYE

B: <DTMF>

A: HI I'M PARTICIPANT NUMBER F C SIX SEVEN DASH P ONE

B: HI I'M PARTICIPANT NUMBER F C SIX SEVEN P TWO

A: IGNORE_TIME_SEGMENT_IN_SCORING

B: IGNORE_TIME_SEGMENT_IN_SCORING

A: YEAH

B: AND THEN THE MAJOR DISCOVERY OF UK AND AMERICAN TELEVISION WHEN WE WERE BOTH ABOUT TEN YEARS OF AGE SO UM I WAS JUST REMARKING KIND OF HOW BLEAK IT WAS BACK IN SAY THE LATE SEVENTIES AND EARLY EIGHTIES FOR KIDS AND CHILDREN'S PROGRAMMING EVEN EDUCATIONAL STUFF THERE WASN'T MUCH OF IT ON IRISH TELEVISION DO YOU THINK

A: NO NOT MUCH AND IT WAS VERY RARE EVEN THAT YOU'D GET IMPORTS LIKE SESAME STREET THE CLOSEST THING THEY HAD WAS I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER BOSCO

B: YEAH I DO

A: YEAH

B: EVERYTHING WAS CENTERED AROUND PUPPETS

A: SURE

B: UM FOR EARLY IRISH TELEVISION BECAUSE IT WAS OBVIOUSLY CHEAPER BUT YEAH I THINK BOSCO WAS THE MAIN EDUCATIONAL THING WASN'T EXACTLY SESAME STREET STANDARD BUT I THINK THEY WERE REALLY LIMITED IN THEIR BUDGET ON ON THEIR PRODUCTION

A: OH <DTMF> AND IMAGINATION BY THE LOOKS OF IT AS WELL <LAUGH>

B: YEAH

A: BUT YEAH I REMEMBER BOSCO IT WAS FINE IF YOU WERE LIKE A PRESCHOOLER OR IN YOU KNOW BABIES IN IN PRIMARY SCHOOL BUT ONCE YOU HIT MAYBE FIVE OR SIX YOU KIND OF GREW OUT OF IT AND THERE WAS NOTHING REALLY THAT STOPPED THE GAP UNTIL WE WERE MUCH LATER MUCH OLDER

B: YEAH I MEAN IT SHOWS THERE WAS A LOT OF I THINK A SERIOUS LACK OF IMAGINATION WHEN IT CAME KIDS WERE KIND OF AN AFTERTHOUGHT UM WHEN IT CAME TO TELEVISION AND RADIO AND ENTERTAINMENT BACK IN THOSE EARLY DAYS AND I GUESS THE BIGGEST CHANGE FOR THE TWO OF US WOULD'VE BEEN WHEN WE WERE KIND OF EXPOSED TO ENGLISH TELEVISION AND BY DEFAULT AMERICAN TELEVISION

A: YEAH

B: AND IN MY HOUSE THAT I WAS ABOUT TEN I THINK WHEN THAT HAPPENED SO THAT WOULD'VE BEEN ABOUT MID EIGHTIES ABOUT NINETEEN EIGHTY FIVE

B: YEAH

B: AND WE HAD TO GET AN AERIAL PUT ON A ROOF IT WAS A WHOLE DAY OUT AND THERE WAS A MAN WHO HAD TO COME AND PUT IT UP AND I HAD TO RUN IN AND OUT OF THE SITTING ROOM AND SHOUT UP AT HIM WHEN THE PICTURE WAS GOOD PUT THAT FIRST WEEKEND I GOT UP REALLY EARLY AND WATCHED MY FIRST WEEKEND OF ENGLISH CHILDREN'S TV AND IT WAS A REVELATION

A: YEAH I REMEMBER WHEN WE GOT IT FIRST IT WAS JUST SO COLORFUL IT WASN'T AS

B: YEAH

A: DRAB OR DREARY AS IRISH TV WITH THEIR YOU KNOW LIMITED BUDGETS AND CHEAP SETS I REMEMBER UH SATURDAY SWAP SHOP WITH NOEL

B: YEAH

A: EDMONDS AND THAT JUST THAT WAS

B: YEAH

A: EYE OPENING BUT IT WAS ALWAYS SO DEPRESSING WHEN YOU WERE A KID IN IRELAND THAT YOU COULDN'T JOIN IN YOU COULDN'T ENTER COMPETITIONS YOU SOMETIMES YOU COULDN'T EVEN FIND SOME OF THE STUFF THEY USED FOR THE ARTSY CRAFT

B: THE MATERIALS THAT WERE IMPOSSIBLE

A: YEAH YOU COULDN'T I NEVER KNEW WHAT A PIPE CLEANER WAS WE NEVER SAW PIPE CLEANERS

B: NO I THINK THAT WAS MY EARLY EXPOSURE THERE WAS A SHOW CALLED NUMBER SEVENTY THREE

A: MM MMH

B: AND IT WAS JUST I'D SAY LIKE YOU SAID THE BIGGEST MEMORY INITIALLY WAS COLOR AND EXCITEMENT AND IT SEEMED TO BE LIKE ALMOST AN ADULT FORMAT BUT IT WAS DESIGNED FOR KIDS

A: YEAH

B: AND THERE WAS SO MUCH STUFF HAPPENING AND WACKY STUFF AND FUNNY STUFF AND IT USED TO SWITCH FROM CARTOONS TO COMEDY TO DRAMA AND THEN THE MANDATORY MAKE AND DO STUFF BUT THE SAME THING ALL THESE MATERIALS IT ALL JUST SEEMED REALLY EXOTIC AND ENGLAND SEEMED LIKE A LONG LONG WAY AWAY

A: <LAUGH>

B: BUT I WAS REALLY JEALOUS I THOUGHT TO MYSELF I'LL NEVER GET TO GO 'CAUSE THEY USED TO HAVE KIDS ON THE SET IN THE AUDIENCE AND THEY USED TO WIN LIKE FANTASTIC PRIZES AND GO ON HOLIDAYS AND STUFF LIKE THAT TOO AND LIKE YOU SAY I WAS ALWAYS REALLY ENVIOUS LOOKING ACROSS THE WATER SO TO SPEAK AT ENGLAND AND IT JUST SEEMED REALLY EXCITING AND EXOTIC AND KIND OF FAR FROM WHERE WE WERE AT

A: TOTALLY AND WHAT WAS EVEN MORE EXCITING WAS WHERE WE GREW UP WE GOT THE NORTHERN IRELAND FEED FOR THE UK

B: OH YEAH YEAH WHICH WAS WAS SEPARATE AS WELL <OVERLAP>

A: WHICH WAS SEPARATE YEAH THEY HAD LIKE

B: YEAH

A: UTV AND ITV BUT MAINLY

B: YEAH

A: IT WAS LIKE A LOT OF THEIR PRODUCTIONS WERE FROM NORTHERN IRELAND WHY DON'T YOU AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS

B: YEAH

A: BUT IF IF YOU WENT TO VISIT FAMILY UP IN DUBLIN THEY ACTUALLY RECEIVED THE BBC WHALES OR THE ITV FROM LONDON

B: OH WOW

A: AND THAT THAT GOT YOU SOME SERIOUS CARTOONS YEAH

B: YEAH

A: THAT YOU WOULDN'T SEE ON IRISH TV A GOOD CALIBER

B: NO YEAH

A: QUALITY OF CARTOONS YOU KNOW