B: AND I'D WATCH BATMAN AND SPIDERMAN AND THE INCREDIBLE HULK SO I GUESS WONDER WOMAN WAS ONE OF THE FEW KIND OF FEMALE KIND OF EMPOWERED ROLE MODEL TYPE CHARACTERS SO THAT MUST HAVE BEEN IMPORTANT TO BE IN A GIRL ESPECIALLY IN A BOY'S HOUSE KINDA WATCHING

A: WE HAD VERY FEW WOMEN THAT WE COULD LOOK UP TO MAINLY SOAP

B: YEAH

A: OPERA STARS THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER

B: YEAH

A: CONVERSATION

B: YEAH

A: BUT REALLY LIKE YOU KNOW IN BATMAN YOU HAD BATGIRL BUT THAT WAS TOWARDS THE END AND IT WAS MORE OF A GIMMICK

B: YEAH

A: IT WAS VERY VERY RARE THAT THERE WAS A WOMAN ON TV THAT HAD THAT KIND OF STATUS AND MADE THAT KIND OF IMPRESSION ON KIDS

B: YEAH

A: AND SHE WAS THERE SO MUCH SO I HAD A WONDER WOMAN'S SWIMMING SUIT AND I THOUGHT

B: <LAUGH>

A: I THOUGHT I WAS WONDER WOMAN I WAS CONVINCED OF IT THAT WAS THE POWER THAT THAT SHOW

B: YEAH

A: HAD OVER ME AT THAT SUCH AN INFLUENTIAL INFLUENTIAL AGE

B: YEAH I GUESS WHEN I LOOK BACK AND THINK ON TV FROM WHEN I WAS TEN ELEVEN TWELVE IT WAS VERY BOY AND KIND OF MALE CENTERED

A: MM

B: UM A LOT OF ACTION SHOWS UM STUFF LIKE AIRWOLF AND

A: OKAY

B: BLUE THUNDER AND IT WAS ALWAYS LIKE A MAN ON A MACHINE AND UM BUT DID YOU LIKE THOSE KIND OF PROGRAMS TOO WHERE YOU KIND OF HAVE A TOMBOY ATTITUDE TO WATCHING SOME OF THOSE OR

A: MM IT WAS A CASE OF BECAUSE YOU HAD SUCH LIMITED CHOICE IF IT WAS

B: SURE YEAH

A: IF IT WAS WATCHABLE AND IT WASN'T YOU KNOW A A POLITICS DISCUSSION SHOW AFTER THE NEWS OR SOMETHING YOU'D WATCH IT SO YOU'D WATCH

B: YEAH

A: THE A TEAM OR YOU'D WATCH AIRWOLF BUT WHAT I REALLY ENJOYED THE MOST WERE THE BIG KIND OF MINI SERIES FAMILY EVENTS

B: OKAY

A: THE BIG BIG THINGS LIKE WHEN V STARTED

B: YEAH

A: AND THEY SHOWED A MINI SERIES OR EVEN SOMETHING AS AS SILLY AS NORTH AND SOUTH OR CANE AND ABEL THOSE BIG BLOCKBUSTING MINI SERIES THE WHOLE FAMILY WOULD SIT DOWN AS A FAMILY AND THERE WOULDN'T BE A PEEP WE MIGHT NOT UNDERSTAND IT AT THE SAME TIME

B: YEAH

A: MY PARENTS GOT A DIFFERENT OUTLOOK ON IT BUT WE WOULD ALSO IT WAS IT WAS AN EVENT YOU KNOW

B: YEAH

A: AND ESPECIALLY IF IT WAS ON OVER THREE SEPARATE NIGHTS

B: YEAH

A: NOBODY GOT YOU'D SIT IN EACH NIGHT AND WATCH THAT WAS A BIG BIG EVENT

B: YEAH I GUESS IT WAS A UNIFYING FORCE

A: MM

B: ANYWAYS TOO AND IT WAS RARE THAT OBVIOUSLY LIKE I SAID I WAS AN ONLY CHILD SO I DIDN'T I KIND OF MOM AND DAD WATCHED THE TV AT NIGHT I'D WATCH IT DURING THE DAY SO UM I'D SAY IT WAS RARE TO FIND SOMETHING THAT COULD UNIFY ALL AGE GROUPS

A: MM HMM

B: AND ALL THE KIND OF DYNAMICS OF A FAMILY SO UM I GUESS

A: AND I JUST I WAS JUST GONNA SAY SPEAKING TO THAT ONE THERE WAS ONE IN PARTICULAR ONE TV SHOW EVERY WEEK THAT WE ALWAYS SAT DOWN AND WE NEVER MISSED BUT IT USED TO TERRIFY ME AND IT WAS THE INCREDIBLE HULK

B: YEAH

A: IF YOU REMEMBER IT <LAUGH> AND IT THE PART WHEN HE WOULD TRANSFORM INTO THE INCREDIBLE HULK

B: INCREDIBLE YEAH

A: AND YOU SEE HIS SHIRT BURSTING ON HIS SLEE ON HIS ARMS

B: YEAH

A: HE'S TURNING GREEN AND HIS EYES CHANGE THAT WAS I WAS GONE I WAS BEHIND THE COUCH EVERY WEEK WITHOUT FAIL

B: YEAH

A: I WAS GONE BEHIND THE COUCH AND I WOULDN'T COME OUT UNTIL HE I COULD HANDLE IT WHILE HE WAS THE HULK AND I COULD HANDLE IT BEFORE HE WAS THE HULK I THINK IT WAS THE TRANSFORMATION AND JUST WHEN HE LOOKED UP

B: YEAH

A: AND HIS EYES HAD CHANGED

B: HIS EYES

A: I WAS JUST OH MY GOSH

B: YEAH

A: GONE

B: YEAH

A: GONE

B: I USED TO LIKE THAT PROGRAM A LOT BUT I THINK EVERYONE SUFFERED FROM THAT UM MOMENT 'CAUSE IT IT'S IT CHANGES GEAR QUITE QUICKLY FOR KIDS PROGRAM BUT I THINK EVERYONE HAS THAT MEMORY OF THE LOOKDOWN AND THEN THE LOOKUP AND THE CHANGE

A: OH

B: IN THE EYES AND YOU JUST RAN FOR COVER YOU KNOW UM SO YEAH THAT WAS A BIG SHOW

A: YOU'D BE YOU'D BE WATCHING THE TV GOING DON'T MAKE HIM ANGRY

B: YEAH

A: YOU LIKE HIM WHEN HE IS ANGRY <LAUGH>

B: I GUESS I KIND OF RESPECTED THAT THAT THEY MADE LIKE I SAY TV SHOWS FOR KIDS IN A REALLY ADULT FORMAT

A: MM

B: SO THEY DIDN'T HOLD BACK MUCH AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S THAT KIND OF CROSSOVER THESE DAYS WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S LIKE A DRAMA BUT IT'S AIMED TOWARDS A KIND OF A YOUNGER AUDIENCE THAT MUCH YOU KNOW

A: NO NOT SO MUCH I THINK YOU KNOW THE KIND OF NICKELODEON STYLE TO GO OVER WITH SAVED BY THE BELL AND ALL THAT

B: YEAH

A: WE GREW UP WE GREW UP WITH UH WITH A MORE DRAMATIC BACKGROUND ESPECIALLY WITH THE BRITISH PROGRAMMING THINGS LIKE BLACK BEAUTY OR

B: YEAH

A: <DTMF> YOU KNOW THERE WAS SOME BEAUTIFUL PERIOD DRAMAS THAT WE'D WATCH

B: YEAH

A: WE'D ACTUALLY SIT DOWN AND WATCH AS CHILDREN UM WASN'T THERE WAS LIKE THE SECRET GARDEN AND THERE WAS JUST SOME BEAUTIFUL ONES OR EVEN

B: YEAH

A: ANNOTATIONS OF <DTMF>

B: THAT'S

A: WHICH I DON'T THINK YOU SEE NOWADAYS

B: NO BUT THAT'S ONE THING I'D SAY RTE DID QUITE WELL

A: MM HMM

B: THEY USED TO BUY A LOT OF ADOPTION OF CHILDREN'S CLASSICS LIKE I REMEMBER TREASURE ISLAND AND STUFF LIKE THAT TOO THEY WERE REALLY REALLY GOOD AND THE OLD UM MARK TWAIN STUFF LIKE HUCKLEBERRY FINN AND TOM SAWYER

A: <BREATH> I LOVED LOVED

B: YEAH

A: HUCKLEBERRY FINN AND TOM SAWYER

B: YEAH

A: YEAH

B: YEAH SO THAT'S ONE THING I CREDIT THEM FOR THEY WERE JUST THEY WERE QUITE STRONG ON KIND OF DRAMA

A: MM

B: UM BUT IT WAS HUGELY KIND OF IT WAS VERY SEASONAL IT WAS USUALLY DURING THE SUMMER WHEN WE HAD SUMMER HOLIDAYS AND STUFF LIKE THAT TOO

A: AND MY ABIDING MEMORIES OF THE SUMMER WOULD BE TOM SAWYER BUT IT WAS IT MUST HAVE BEEN A EUROPEAN PRODUCTION BECAUSE IT WAS DUBBED

B: YEAH

A: SO

B: YEAH THAT WAS REALLY COMMON

A: <LAUGH> AND IT I DIDN'T KNOW UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS GOING ON BECAUSE THERE WAS NO SUBTITLES GRANTED WE DIDN'T HAVE TO READ IT

B: YEAH

A: BUT IT USED TO SCRAMBLE MY BRAIN I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WAS DUBBING IN OTHER COUNTRIES SO YEAH AFTER A WHILE YOU GET OVER IT BUT YOU'D BE WONDERING WHY THEIR LIPS AREN'T ACTUALLY IN SYNC WITH WHAT THEY'RE SAYING

B: YEAH

A: YOU NEVER REALIZED THAT THERE WERE GERMAN OR AUSTRIAN OR SOMETHING BUT THE SAME WITH HEIDI DO YOU REMEMBER HEIDI

B: YEAH I DO AND I REMEMBER THE DUBBING WAS

A: MM

B: ABSOLUTELY ATROCIOUS

A: <LAUGH>

B: AND IT WAS REALLY SOMETHING YOU HAD TO COME TO TERMS WITH OVER TIME

A: <LAUGH>

B: YOU DIDN'T NOTICE AFTER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME BUT YEAH IT IT WAS REALLY REALLY OBVIOUS AND BUT I GUESS IT WAS BUDGETING TOO THEY THEY KIND OF COULDN'T BUY THE CREAM OR THE CROP OR DEVELOP

A: YEAH

B: THEIR OWN STUFF SO THEY BOUGHT EVERYTHING IN BUT AT LEAST THERE WAS SOME KIND OF THOUGHT PUT INTO IT AND DID YOU GO THROUGH ANY KIND OF PHASES WITH CARTOONS WHEN YOU WERE A KID LIKE COLLECTING STUFF I KNOW LIKE STUFF LIKE CARE BEARS AND STUFF LIKE THAT WAS HUGE AND

A: UH KIND OF I WAS A BIT TOO OLD FOR CARE BEARS BY THE TIME THEY CAME AROUND

B: YEAH

A: UM MY LITTLE PONY I KIND OF CAME IN AT THE END OF THE PARTY WITH MY LITTLE PONIES BUT I DID GET ONE AS A BIRTHDAY PRESENT OF A FRIEND

B: YEAH

A: BUT IT IT WASN'T SOMETHING I WAS REALLY INTO I NEVER REALLY HAD ANY MERCHANDISE WITH RESPECT TO A CARTOON LIKE

B: I THINK

A: YOU WERE YOU WERE

B: I THINK THAT WAS LESS COMMON

A: YOU WERE MORE STAR WARS THAN THAT WEREN'T YOU

B: YEAH I I THINK WHAT THAT WAS VERY GENERIC AND UNIVERSAL BUT I

A: MM

B: THINK IN IRELAND TOO WHEN YOU WERE AN IRISH KID MERCHANDISE AND STUFF THAT WASN'T REALLY A BIG PART OF OF YOUR DAILY LIFE YOU KNOW AND IT'S AGAIN IT WAS VERY MUCH A UK KINDA THING AND

A: YEAH

B: ALL THAT STUFF YOU COULD KINDA COLLECT IT SEEMED TO KINDA STOP BEFORE I CAME OVER TO IRELAND SO IT WAS ELEVEN TWELVE THIRTEEN REALLY BEFORE I GOT INTO COLLECTING STUFF BUT

A: MM

B: LIKE STAR WARS WAS A HUGE KIND OF EVENT FOR MY CHILDHOOD AND UH IT WAS REALLY GOOD MERCHANDISE I THINK MERCHANDISE THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY GO OUT AND USE YOUR IMAGINATION WITH

A: YEAH

B: IS IS A REALLY GOOD THING YOU KNOW AND THAT'S WHAT THE STUFF LIKE STAR WARS BUT YEAH STAR WARS SEEING THAT FOR THE FIRST TIME WAS ABSOLUTELY HUGE YOU KNOW

A: I THINK

B: AND