A: UM FIREFLY UM YOU KNOW STAR WARS STAR TREK YEAH SCI FI BUT I LIKE OFF BEAT LIKE DARK SCI FI YOU KNOW AND IT'S NOT SO HAPPY AND THEN UM I LIKE UM THRILLERS AND WHODUNITS MURDER MYSTERIES AND YEAH OH WE LOVE BRITISH SERIES UM YEAH I LOVE THAT WHAT DO YOU LIKE

B: YEAH UM YEAH ALSO A MUR MURDER MYSTERY KINDA ONES ANY ANY DETECTIVE CRIME SOLVING SHOWS UM YOU KNOW DOCUMENTARIES I LIKE DOCUMENTARIES I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF SCI FI UM OR FANTASY KIND OF MOVIES

A: OKAY

B: BUT SOMETIMES IT'S ALSO GOOD JUST TO WATCH A COMEDY OR ROMANTIC COMEDY SOMETHING THAT'S A BIT LIKE MIND NUMBING SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUT MUCH THOUGHT INTO WHAT YOU'RE WATCHING

A: OH SO I CALL IT CHEWING GUM FOR THE EYES

B: MM HMM

A: SO IT'S LIKE CHEWING GUM FOR THE EYES SO YOU JUST WATCH IT THROUGH THAT

B: YEAH

A: UM WHAT'S WHAT'S YOUR LAST BRITISH SERIES THAT YOU'VE REALLY ENJOYED I THINK YOU WERE TELLING ME ONCE ABOUT LINE OF DUTY

B: OH YEAH YES YEAH LINE OF DUTY WAS VERY GRIPPING BRITISH SERIES ARE LIKE MORE UM GRIPPING THAN AMERICAN SERIES

A: YEAH THEY ARE AND I LIKE

B: THEY GIVE

A: YEAH

B: THE THE ONES WHERE YOU HAVE TO JUST LIKE STAY UP AND WATCH THE ENTIRE SEASON

A: YEAH YOU HAVE TO BINGE BUT THE NICE THING IS ABOUT BRITISH ONES AS WELL THEY ONLY MAKE FOUR OR FIVE EPISODES

B: MM HMM

A: SOME AMERICAN SERIES ARE LIKE EIGHTEEN

B: GO ON AND ON

A: YEAH LIKE LOST THAT SERIES YEAH AND DID YOU HAVE ANY PETS GROWING UP

B: MANY UM SO OUR FIRST PET WAS SO WE'VE ALWAYS HAD DOGS CATS UM MY MUM BECAME A BIT OF A COLLECTOR OF CATS SO SHE'D ANY CAT THAT SHE WOULD FIND STRAYS UM SHE'D COME HOME WITH UH SO WE HAD A LOT OF CATS AND HAMSTERS MY SISTER ALWAYS HAD RABBITS UH WHICH I DIDN'T REALLY LIKE THEY'RE ALWAYS KI KICKERS UM AND YEAH WHAT ELSE WE ALWAYS WE GREW UP IN A BIT OF LIKE A A RURAL KIND OF UH AREA WHERE THERE WAS A BIT MORE WILDLIFE THAN YOU WOULD GET IN THE CITY UM SO WE WOULD SOMETIMES GET LIKE UH A DASSIE WE ONCE HAD A BABY DASSIE UM

A: WHAT'S THE OTHER NAME FOR WAS THAT I THINK UM

B: LIKE IT'S A ROCK

A: ROCK BADGER

B: ROCK HYRAX ROCK YEAH SO WE HAD THAT AND THEN I HAND REARED A MONGOOSE UM YEAH

A: HM

B: <NO-SPEECH>

A: WHAT WAS THE MONGOOSE'S NAME

B: MONGEY <DTMF>

A: AND WHAT TYPE OF WHAT UM YOU KNOW WHAT SPECIES

B: SPECIES IT WAS A SLENDER MONGOOSE SO IT'S LIKE A VERY LONG THIN BODY LONG TAIL AND LIKE A RUSTY RUSTY KIND OF COLOR FUR

A: MM HMM AND WHAT HAPPENED TO MONGEY

B: WELL IT WAS WE FOUND MY PARENTS FOUND IT UM ITS MOM HAD BEEN CHASED OFF BY A DOG UM AND THEY WAITED FOR THE MOM TO BRING IT BACK UH TO COME BACK AND GET IT SHE DIDN'T UM SO WE HAND LI IT HAD INJURED INJURED ITS BACK LEG SO WE KEPT IT IN AN OLD HAMSTER CAGE UNTIL AND FED IT UNTIL IT GOT STRONGER WE RELEASED IT BUT IT JUST IT OBVIOUSLY HAD GOTTEN USED TO US SO IT DIDN'T GO SO IT LIVED LIKE OUR CATS IT WOULD JUMP IN AND OUT OF THE WINDOW AND GO OUT UH AND COME BACK AND GO OUT AND THEN THERE WAS THEY'RE VERY TERRITORIAL SO THERE WAS A WILD ONE THAT ALSO LIVED AROUND THE HOUSE AND THEY WERE ALWAYS FIGHTING UM OVER THE TERRITORY AND THEN THE AFTER HAVING IT FOR MAYBE THREE YEARS THREE OR FOUR YEARS THE WILD ONE KILLED IT AND OUR ALSATIAN WHO WAS LIKE A MOTHER SHE MOTHERED EVERYTHING SHE FOUND FOUND IT AND BROUGHT ITS BODY BACK TO THE HOUSE TO SHOW US

A: SURE SHAME FAIR DAY AND UH HOW LONG DID YOU HAVE MONGEY FOR

B: YEAH IT MUST HAVE BEEN ABOUT THREE OR FOUR THREE IT MUST HAVE BEEN YEAH MAYBE FOUR OR FIVE YEARS

A: OKAY OH WE JUST GOT A MESSAGE FROM ZOOM MEETING WILL END IN NINE MINUTES

B: NINE MINUTES

A: UM OKAY SO THAT'S SURE THAT'S SAD AND UM

B: SO DID YOU HAVE PETS

A: THERE WAS ALWAYS DOGS IT WAS NEVER ANYTHING SO EXOTIC LIKE YOURS UM

B: LIKE CATS

A: NO I DIDN'T LIKE CATS

B: YOU'RE NOT A CAT PERSON

A: NO UM

B: WHAT ABOUT OR YOU JUST DO YOU STILL FEEL HAVE YOU NEVER BEEN AROUND CATS

A: YEAH I'VE ONE KIND OF ADOPTED AS UM WHICH WE GREW CLOSE TO UM BUT YEAH NOT DEFINITELY NOT BY CHOICE GETTING A CAT <LAUGH> UM YEAH I'D LIKE IF I COULD HAVE A DOG AGAIN BUT THE AREA WHERE I LIVE DOESN'T ALLOW UH DOGS WE WERE YOU WATCHING THAT UH DID YOU SEE HAVE YOU SEEN THOSE VIDEOS ON SOCIAL MEDIA AT THE MOMENT ABOUT THOSE DOGS THAT APPARENTLY COMMUNICATE WITH THE OWNERS WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT

B: YEAH SO YOU CAN SEE IN A LOT OF THE VIDEOS THE OWNERS LIKE MAKING THEIR OWN INTERPRETATION OF WHAT WHAT BUTTONS THE DOG HAS PRESSED UM THERE'S FAR EASIER WAYS TO COMMUNICATE I MEAN ANIMALS DON'T COMMUNICATE IN WORDS OBVIOUSLY

A: HM

B: SO YEAH THERE'S OTHER WAYS OF COMMUNICATING WITH YOUR PETS THAN GETTING THEM TO PRESS BUTTONS AND TRYING TO HUMANIZE WHAT YOU THINK THEY'RE THINKING

A: YEAH I THINK IT'S JUST THE THE TONE THAT YOU USE THERE SO THAT THAT YOU GIVE INSTRUCTIONS IN IT'S NOT SO MUCH THE WORDS

B: HM

A: YEAH STRANGE PEOPLE ARE FUNNY

B: SO HOW COME WHAT AREA DO YOU STAY IN THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE PETS

A: WELL IT'S ALSO QUITE A RURAL AREA UM AND THE THE PROBLEM IS THEY HAVE LEOPARDS HERE AND OTHER WILD ANIMALS SO WE CAN'T HAVE A PET BECAUSE IT'LL BE THE LEOPARD'S LUNCH OR SUPPER UM AND THERE'S NO FENCES AS WELL UM TO PROTECT YOUR WILD ANIMALS I MEAN YOUR DOMESTIC PETS FROM YOUR THE WILD ANIMALS AROUND I THINK THERE'S EVEN UM IN THE NEIGHBORING PLACE TO WHERE WE ARE THERE'S LIONS THERE EVEN SO BUT THEY'RE JUST SEPARATED BY AN ELECTRIC FENCE SO THEY COULD ACTUALLY JUST PUSH THROUGH IF THEY WANTED

B: HM

A: BUT THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE THINK ABOUT AFRICA WHEN THEY THINK ABOUT IT THEY THINK LIONS ARE JUST WALKING AROUND AND THEY ACTUALLY ARE BUT THEY HAVE ELECTRIC FENCES TO PROTECT THEM

B: S SO CERTAIN AREAS

A: YEAH UM YEAH IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A PET AGAIN

B: SO HOW LONG HAVE YOU LIVED WHERE YOU ARE CURRENTLY

A: ABOUT THREE YEARS NOW THREE YEARS YEAH SO I WAS ON THE COAST AND I'VE MOVED INLAND SO YEAH IT'S UH IT'S QUITE A NICE LITTLE TOWN VERY SMALL TOWN IT'S ONE OF THESE YOU CALL IT A ONE ONE WAS IT ONE HORSE TOWN

B: ONE HORSE

A: UM SO THERE'S NOT MUCH TO DO LOTS OF UH FOREIGNERS YEAH UM WE HAVE BRITISH

B: TOURISTS

A: YEAH TOURISTS THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S CLOSE TO ONE OF THE A BIG SAFARI PARK KIND OF THING AND THEN THE AREA WHERE WE LIVE WE'VE MADE FRIENDS WITH SOME BRITISH AMERICAN FAMILIES UM YEAH SO THERE'S QUITE A MIX OF PEOPLE HERE

B: SO WHICH SAFARI PARK IS IT NEAREST

A: IT'S CALLED THE KRUGER NATIONAL PARK SO IT'S QUITE A FAMOUS ONE I THINK WHENEVER SOMEONE COMES TO SOUTH AFRICA THEY G GO TO THE HAVE TO GO TO THE KRUGER NATIONAL PARK

B: AND DO YOU GO OFTEN

A: YEAH I LIKE TO GO AT LEAST ONCE A MONTH UM IT'S ABOUT AN HOUR MAYBE BUT THE PROBLEM IS PETROL IS GETTING SO EXPENSIVE BECAUSE OF THIS THE WORLD CONDITIONS AT THE MOMENT SO YEAH WE MAY HAVE TO EVEN LIMIT TRAVELING ONCE A MONTH BECAUSE YOU YOU USE A LOT OF PETROL BECAUSE YOU'RE PRETTY MUCH JUST DRIVING THE WHOLE DAY

B: HM

A: UM YOU CAN EVEN DO SOMETIMES LIKE FIVE HUNDRED KS OR SOMETHING IN THERE

B: SURE

A: UH FIVE HUNDRED KILOMETERS NOT METER NOT MILES UM JUST LOOKING FOR ANIMALS

B: SO DO YOU MISS THE COAST

A: YES I MISS MY FRIENDS AT THE COAST UM I I THINK THERE WAS MORE TO DO SOCIALLY AT THE COAST ALTHOUGH THIS AREA IS QUITE BEAUTIFUL WITH NATURE UM I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF MORE INTERESTING RESTAURANTS MORE THINGS TO DO MORE FRIENDS YEAH THAT SORT OF THING SO YEAH I MISS THAT ASPECT OF THE COST IT'S ALSO NICE TO KNOW THAT YOU'RE AT THE EDGE WHEN YOU'RE INLAND IT'S CLAUSTROPHOBIC YOU KNOW BECAUSE YOU FEEL SO YEAH BUT AT THE COAST YOU KNOW YOU HAD TO DO SOMETHING AT THE END <DTMF> BUT THEY'VE HAD UM I THINK TWO OR THREE MONTHS AGO THEY'VE HAD TERRIBLE FLOODING THERE IN THAT AREA

B: MM HMM

A: UM AND SO FAR FRIENDS WERE AFFECTED AS WELL BY THAT AND LOTS OF PEOPLE DIED THERE SO THEY HAVEN'T BEEN HAVING A REALLY GREAT TIME THERE

B: MM HMM

A: YEAH SO UM AND WHAT ABOUT UM WORK WISE WHAT DID YOU DO FOR WORK

B: UM SO I STUDIED INTERIOR DESIGN UM AND THEN I WENT INTO LAW UM SO I WAS

A: SLIGHTLY RELA RELATED FIELD