A: I DO REALLY LIKE EDINBURGH I LOVE GLASGOW AS WELL DON'T GET ME WRONG BUT MORE RECENTLY WHEN I'VE BEEN INTO THE CITY CENTER IT'S IT'S CHANGED THERE'S A LOT OF SHOPS AND BUILDINGS THAT ARE UNOCCUPIED AND FOR SOME REASON IT JUST GIVES OFF A BIT OF A KIND OF MESSY A MESSY FEEL TO IT I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE WHY UM WHEN I'D BEEN IN JUST RECENTLY IT IT HAD BEEN A WHILE SINCE I'D BEEN IN TO BE FAIR BUT I JUST FELT LIKE IT HAD CHANGED A LOT AND I REMEMBER IT TO BE A PLACE THAT WAS REALLY BUZZING WITH A LOT OF THINGS HAPPENING I JUST FELT IT WAS A BIT STAGNANT YOU KNOW THERE WASN'T VERY MANY SHOPS THAT I COULD SEE THAT I I WOULD'VE WENT INTO AND I THINK YOU KNOW YOU JUST WONDER HOW THESE SHOPS CAN SUSTAIN I MEAN I'M NOT SAYING THAT MY OPINION IS OVER EVERYONE ELSE'S BUT IT'S JUST CERTAIN SHOPS YOU JUST WONDER HOW THEY THEY CAN STILL BE GOING AFTER COVID AND IT'S STRANGE ISN'T IT

B: YEAH I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF UM REGENERATION GOING ON THOUGH AND I THINK THEY'RE TRYING TO IMPROVE THE PLACE GENERALLY 'CAUSE IT HAS BECOME YOU'RE RIGHT IT HAS BECOME QUITE STAGNANT I THINK THEY'RE TRYING TO IMPROVE THE PLACE AND AND REGENERATE THE CITY CENTER SEEMS TO BE AN EMPHASIS ON FOOD OUTLETS AND AND BARS ET CETERA BUT UH I DON'T KNOW IF THE DEVELOPERS ARE ARE LOOKING AT IT AND SEEING THAT'S MAYBE THE WAY TO GO NOWADAYS UM THEY'VE CERTAINLY PEDESTRIANIZED A LOT OF THE CITY CENTER AS WELL UH MORE THAN IT IT USED TO BE ANYWAY LIKE AT THE TOP OF SAUCHIEHALL STREET ET CETERA UM AND THAT THAT'S PRIMARILY BARS AND RESTAURANTS UP THERE

A: WELL THAT'S RIGHT AND I KNOW THAT THEY WERE MAKING MORE ACCESS FOR THE CYCLE LANES AND THINGS UP THERE WHICH I DID NOTICE WHEN I WAS IN THE CITY CENTER JUST AND IT WAS MAYBE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO NOW BUT I DID NOTICE A LOT MORE PEOPLE ON BIKES CYCLING DOWN SAUCHIEHALL STREET WHERE THE SHOPS WERE AND AND AROUND ALL THE PEOPLE WHICH I THOUGHT WAS JUST SORT OF ENCOURAGING THE WRONG THINGS IN MY OPINION HAVING A LITTLE ONE THAT SORT OF ADDS TO THE SORT OF STRESS OF THE DAY REALLY WHEN YOU'RE AND TRYING TO GET SOME SHOPPING AND THEN SOMEONE'S COMING D DOWN THE STREET HURTLING ROUND ON A BIKE DOESN'T REALLY MAKE FOR MUCH ENJOYMENT WHEN YOU WHEN YOU'VE GOT A LITTLE ONE WHO'S WANTING TO JUST WALK BY THEMSELVES <LAUGH> AS YOU CAN IMAGINE

B: YEAH ABSOLUTELY AND YOU NEED TO HAVE EYES IN THE BACK OF YOUR HEAD FOR THESE THESE THINGS AS WELL

A: WELL ABSOLUTELY IN IN A NORMAL OR INSTANCE CYCLISTS AREN'T REALLY ALLOWED ON THE PAVEMENT SO THERE SHOULD BE A BIT OF INFORMATION OUT THERE FOR THE CITY CENTER AND THE SHOPPING AREAS THAT PEOPLE SHOULDN'T BE ON THEIR BIKES BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST THE YOUNG CHILDREN IT'S THE ELDERLY AS WELL

B: YEAH AND THE ISSUE IS AS WELL IT NEEDS TO BE MORE DEFINED THE THE WHAT'S PEDESTRIANIZED AND WHAT'S FOR FOR CYCLISTS UM YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE CYCLE LANES POPPING UP ALL OVER THE CITY NOW WHICH TO BE FAIR I THINK IS GREAT IT ENCOURAGES PEOPLE TO BE HEALTHIER AND REDUCES EMISSIONS HOWEVER IN PEDESTRIANIZING SORRY PEDESTRIANIZED AREAS SUCH AS GLASGOW CITY CENTER YOU NEED TO HAVE IT MORE DEFINED SO YOU DON'T HAVE CYCLISTS YOU KNOW FLYING AROUND PEDESTRIANS ET CETERA

A: WELL DEFINITELY NOT BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THERE IN THE CITY CENTER THEY'RE IN THERE TO USE THE SHOPS THEY'RE NOT THINKING ABOUT SOMEONE COMING PAST THEM ON A BIKE SO I GUESS IT'S JUST DOWN TO COMMON SENSE AGAIN THE PEOPLE ON THE BIKES SHOULD BE TAKING CARE BUT I COULD COUNT AT LEAST THREE PEOPLE GOING FAR TOO FAST DOWN THE SLOPE OF SAUCHIEHALL STREET WHICH DIDN'T SIT VERY WELL WITH ME BUT CERTAINLY IT'S A GOOD THING THAT THEY ARE BRINGING IN MORE MORE ACCESS FOR CYCLISTS WHERE THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE CYCLING BECAUSE IT'S REALLY GOING TO HELP WITH THE OVERALL CURRENT CLIMATE CRISIS WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT ALL THAT

B: THE CLIMATE CRISIS

A: YEP

B: I THINK I THINK THE WORLD IS DEFINITELY GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION IN TERMS OF UM EDUCATION ON THE CLIMATE CRISIS I THINK EDUCATING IS ONLY PART OF IT THOUGH AND YOU NEED TO ACTUALLY ENSURE THAT ACTION IS BEING PUT INTO IT UM I THINK COP TWENTY SIX WAS WAS A RELATIVE SUCCESS I THINK THAT IN REALITY POLITICIANS DO UNDERSTAND THE THE GRAVE NATURE OF OF THE IMPACT OF GLOBAL WARMING NOW AND THERE SEEMS TO BE AN EMPHASIS ON ENSURING THAT UM TARGETS CAN BE MET TARGETS ARE ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING NOW UM AND THAT CAN BE REDUCING EMISSIONS UH THAT'S THAT ARE THAT ARE UH IMPOSING LOW EMISSION ZONES IN CITY CENTERS TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO TO TO USE PUBLIC TRANSPORT WHICH AGAIN YESTERDAY I WAS JUST DRIVING ALONG AND I SEEN THAT BUS IN FRONT OF ME AND IT WAS A AN ELECTRIC BUS SO IF PEOPLE WERE TAKING ELECTRIC BUSES AND TRAINS ET CETERA INTO THE CITY CENTER THE EMISSIONS ARE GETTING CUT COMPLETELY ALMOST FROM CERTAINLY FROM THAT PERSON'S JOURNEY ANYWAY UM AND THERE'S AN EMPHASIS OBVIOUSLY ON UH PHASING OUT DIESEL AND PETROL CARS EVENTUALLY IN THIS COUNTRY SO I THINK MOST GOVERNMENTS' HEARTS ARE IN THE RIGHT PLACE WHEN IT COMES TO TO GLOBAL WARMING BUT PEOPLE INDIVIDUALLY NEED TO TAKE ACTION EVEN JUST RECYCLING ET CETERA IT ALL NEEDS TO BE DONE UM AND AND AND HOPEFULLY HOPEFULLY THINGS CAN BE REVERSED BUT UM THERE'S A LOT OF ARGUMENT WHICH I'M NOT MASSIVELY AWARE OF UM SO I CAN'T COMMENT COMMENT ON IT MASSIVELY UM BUT THERE'S A LOT OF ARGUMENT THAT IT'S BIG BUSINESS THAT REALLY NEED TO CHANGE THEIR THEIR WAYS WHAT ABOUT YOURSELF

A: YES I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THAT THERE'S A LOT OF FACTORIES PRODUCING A LOT OF HARMFUL CHEMICALS INTO THE ATMOSPHERE SO THAT CERTAINLY IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT BUT YES AS YOU SAY IT'S DOWN TO EVERYBODY TO PLAY THEIR PART NOW AND I THINK CERTAINLY AS YOU SAY ABOUT THE EDUCATION IT'S ABOUT EDUCATING THE YOUNGER GENERATION IN HOW TO LOOK AFTER OUR COUNTRY AND YOU KNOW OUR ENVIRONMENT IN A WAY THAT IT'S GOING TO HAVE A KNOCK ON EFFECT FOR THE FUTURE YEARS BECAUSE I THINK SOMETIMES WITH ALL THE PLASTIC PRODUCTION AND ALL THESE THINGS CERTAINLY WHEN WE WERE YOUNGER THERE WAS NO SUCH THING AS RECYCLING SO THERE'S AND THAT'S PROBABLY BEEN GOING ON FOR A VERY LONG TIME SO I THINK

B: NO NO I IF IF THERE WAS ANYTHING LIKE RECYCLING WHEN WE WERE YOUNGER IT WAS IN A VERY SMALL LEVEL

A: MM HMM AND THEN YOU WONDER HOW LONG THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR PRIOR TO US ALL THE PLASTIC PRODUCTION AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN PRODUCED AND JUST DISCARDED THESE THINGS DON'T BREAK DOWN THEY'RE NOT BIODEGRADABLE SO YOU DO WONDER THEN HOW HOW LONG IT WILL TAKE FOR THESE THINGS TO YOU KNOW HOW LONG IT'LL TAKE FOR THE WORLD TO GET ON TOP OF ALL THAT BEFORE THEN THEY MOVE ON TO THE NEXT LOT BUT IT'S REALLY GOOD THAT THEY'RE BRINGING OUT A LOT MORE BIODEGRADABLE PACKAGING ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT CAN BE RECYCLED EASILY AND YOU'RE SEEING IT A LOT MORE NOW WHERE IT'S BEING ENFORCED WHERE THINGS ARE BEING RECYCLED AND MADE INTO NEW THINGS SO THEREFORE EVEN I AM AMAZED AT THE THINGS THAT CAN BE MADE OUT OF RECYCLED PLASTIC OR GLASS THINGS LIKE THAT AND

B: YEAH ABSOLUTELY

A: FOR YOUNGER PEOPLE TO START REALIZING THAT NOW THEY'LL BE IN THE <DTMF> SO THEY WON'T KNOW ANY DIFFERENT WHEN IT COMES TO THEM GROWING UP AND TEACHING THEIR CHILDREN SO HOPEFULLY BY THEN IT IT WILL REALLY REALLY HELP BUT YES AS YOU SAY EVERY IT'S DOWN TO EVERY PERSON AS AN INDIVIDUAL TO MAKE THAT CHANGE LITTLE WE'LL GET THERE LITTLE BY LITTLE HOPEFULLY

B: YEAH

A: I'M HOPEFUL

B: YEAH IT'S IT'S IT'S A TOUGH ONE THOUGH BECAUSE NOT EVERYBODY'S WILLING TO ACTUALLY DO IT WHICH WHICH MAKES A UH AN ISSUE UM BUT AS AS YOU SAID IT'S IT'S ALL ABOUT EDUCATING THE YOUNGER GENERATION AND AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE UNDER NO ILLUSIONS AS TO WHAT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO

A: WELL THAT'S RIGHT

B: CERTAINLY IN MY MIND ANYWAY

A: I AGREE BECAUSE I REALLY LIKE THE LOOK OF THESE NEW ELECTRIC CARS IT'S AMAZING HOW SILENT THEY ARE

B: ABSOLUTELY YEAH