A: FROM THE FROM THERE

B: YEAH THO THOSE WERE FROM UH THAILAND I THINK UM YEAH I'LL NEVER BE SURE IF THOSE TIGERS UH WERE UH HAD A GOOD LIFE OR MAYBE THEY RECEIVED SOME SORT OF A DRUG IN ORDER TO BE SO UH CALM AND UH BECAUSE THERE WERE LOTS OF PEOPLE THERE I THINK THERE WERE OVER ONE HUNDRED TOURISTS AND THEY KEPT COMING AND GOING AND EVERYBODY WAS WAS PETTING THEM

A: MM

B: AND IT'S NOT VERY CAT LIKE YOU KNOW TO TO BE SO STILL AND UH

A: MM HMM

B: YOU KNOW LET EVERYBODY TOUCH YOU

A: <DTMF>

B: ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE A TIGER I GUESS

A: <LAUGH>

B: SO THEY DIDN'T SEEM TO BE ABUSED IN EVERY WAY IN ANY WAY THEY LOOKED VERY NICE THEIR FUR WAS PERFECT

A: MM HMM

B: BUT I JUST WONDER IF IT'S POSSIBLE FOR A TIGER TO BEHAVE LIKE THIS NATURAL

A: I GET YOU SILLY CATS YOU KNOW <LAUGH> MADE OF TEXTILE <LAUGH> YEAH

B: SO I GUESS YOU WOULD LIKE TO TO HAVE THIS EXPERIENCE ANYWAY

A: OF COURSE

B: OF OF OF BEING WITH THE TIGER CUB

A: YES I WOULD LOVE <LAUGH> TO SQUISH A TIGER CUB <LAUGH> I THINK THEY ARE SO

B: YOU KNOW EVEN THE LITTLE ONES ARE LIKE DOG SIZE THEY'RE PRETTY BIG AND

A: THE CUBS

B: YEAH

A: OF COURSE

B: YEAH

A: OF COURSE YOU KNOW LIKE A BIG DOG NOT LIKE <LAUGH>

B: YEAH <LAUGH>

A: OF COURSE THEY'RE YOU KNOW FELINES BIG STUFF <LAUGH>

B: YEAH YEAH BIG CATS

A: BIG CATS THAT'S THE NAME FOR THEM

B: YEAH

A: UH

B: UH I THINK IN FIVE MINUTES WE SHOULD BE OKAY

A: MM HMM YEAH UM SO UM THAT WAS ABOUT OUR <LAUGH> FUTURE VACATIONS AND <NO-SPEECH> <OVERLAP>

B: YEAH YEAH IT'S ALWAYS A NICE A NICE TOPIC TO TO TALK ABOUT

A: MM HMM IT IS LOVELY SO

B: ESPECIALLY NOW THAT IT'S WARM OUTSIDE UH IT IT REALLY FEELS LIKE GOING ON A HOLIDAY

A: YEAH <LAUGH> HAVE A MARTINI AND GO ON A HOLIDAY

B: YEAH ALTHOUGH IT'S PRETTY RAINY HERE A AND IT'S GOOD I I EXPECTED IT TO BE MU MUCH HOTTER BY BY THIS TIME

A: STICKY <LAUGH> TOO SUNNY TOO STICKY

B: YEAH EXACTLY

A: BUT NO NO IT'S OKAY IT'S OKAY UM I THINK THIS RAINY WEATHER WOULD WOULD LAST A LITTLE BIT MORE AND THEN WE HAVE OUR FURNACE LIKE USUAL

B: <LAUGH> LIKE USUAL YES

A: <LAUGH> LIKE USUALLY AND THEN UH WHEN THE FURNACE COME WE SHOULD GO TO TWENTY FIVE DEGREES <LAUGH> IN ENGLAND

B: YES

A: TWENTY FIVE AM I <OVERLAP>

B: YES IT'S A GOOD PLAN THAT'S A I I THINK SO YEAH BUT THE WATER IS PRETTY PRETTY COLD SO I I'M SORRY FOR YOU BUT I DON'T THINK YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SWIM IN UH IN THE SEA

A: <LAUGH> IT'S OKAY I DON'T WANT TO SWIM IN THE OCEAN WITHOUT KNOWING

B: WITH THE DOLPHINS

A: TO SWIM <LAUGH> YEAH I I WENT ONCE IN UH I I DIDN'T GO YOU KNOW IN AN OCEAN BUT IN I DUNNO I THINK IT WAS THE MEDITERRANEAN

B: MM HMM

A: BUT I DIDN'T GET THE BALLS TO GO WITHOUT <LAUGH> THE LIFE SAVING JACKET

B: UH HUH

A: UH BECAUSE THE WE THE WATER WAS SO DEEP AND THE GUY YOU KNOW THE CAPTAIN OF THAT LITTLE LITTLE BOAT <LAUGH> WHO TOOK US

B: MM

A: DEEP IN THE SEA TOLD US OH THERE ARE I DON'T KNOW HUNDREDS OF METERS <LAUGH> OF OF DEEP EH DEEP WATERS

B: MM HMM YES YES

A: AND YOU KNOW YOU CANNOT SEE THE SHORE BECAUSE WE ARE IN YOU KNOW LIKE IN A VOLCANO AREA YOU KNOW LIKE IN A SCOOPS <LAUGH>

B: YEAH WELL

A: AREA OF THE

B: IT DOESN'T MATTER SO MUCH IF IT'S OVER TWO METERS

A: YEAH

B: IT'S THE SAME TWO OR ONE HUNDREDS

A: YOU CAN DROWN HAPPILY <LAUGH>

B: YEAH <LAUGH> BUT I DO THE SAME ACTUALLY EVEN UH EVEN WHEN SAILING AT WHEN WE WERE AT ANCHORED OR IN A BAY

A: MM HMM

B: UH I ALWAYS HAD UH MY UH LIFE JACKET WITH ME

A: THAT'S SAFE

B: I MEAN NOT NOT REALLY ALWAYS UH UH THE ONLY THE ONLY WAY I WOULDN'T GO WITH A LIFE JACKET WAS IF I HAD MY UH MY UH UH SNORKELING MASK ON

A: MM HMM YEAH

B: BECAUSE I IT IT BOTHERS YOU IF YOU ALSO HAVE A LIFE JACKET IT KIND OF FLOATS YOU UP AND YOU CAN'T

A: OH YES <LAUGH>

B: YOU CAN'T GO A BIT DOWN

A: TO KEEP

B: TO LOOK AT THE

A: YOUR HEAD

B: FISH OR YEAH

A: YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH

B: AND THAT WAS REALLY NICE ACTUALLY BECAUSE THE WATER WAS VERY CLEAR IN THOSE AREAS IT IT WAS INCREASED AND UH YOU COULD UH SWIM AROUND THE BOAT AND ALSO INSPECT IT'S UH IT'S KEEL AND UH UH THE ANCHOR CHAIN AND SO UH UH ALSO LIKE A SAFETY CHECK BESIDES JUST UH YOU KNOW LOOKING AT THE NATURE

A: YEAH BUT MEDITERRANEAN IS NOT SO SALTY IS IT UH I MEAN

B: IT IS ACTUALLY

A: IT KEPT YOU UP

B: YEAH YEAH

A: YEAH

B: IT DOES

A: UH HUH

B: IT KEEPS UP AND IF YOU HAVE THAT MASK IT DOESN'T MATTER SO MUCH ANYWAY BECAUSE UH AS LONG AS THE UH TUBE IS UH ABOVE WATER YOU'RE FINE AND UH

A: YEAH I KNOW

B: ACTUALLY I IF YOU'RE IN THE BAY THERE ARE TOO BIG WAVES AND THE TUBE SHOULD HAVE A UH A MECHANISM WHICH DOESN'T WATER IT DOESN'T LET WATER GET IN

A: YEAH IT BLOWS IT OUT YEAH I I SAW IT

B: I I THINK IT CLOSES IT IF IF THERE'S ANY WATER

A: AH YEAH

B: AND THEN YOU CAN BLOW IT UH OUTSIDE

A: <LAUGH> YEAH YEAH YEAH I LOVE SNORKELING IT'S SUCH IT'S SUCH A SENSATION OF SEEING THE THE <LAUGH> LITTLE COLORED FISHES

B: YEAH

A: FISH

B: YEAH

A: UH BUT UH MM THE SENSATION OF FREEDOM I THINK IT'S

B: MM HMM

A: IT'S GREAT

B: IT IS YES

A: AND AND I HAVE THIS SENSATION IN THE BALLOON IN THE AIR

B: MM HMM

A: BALLOON YEAH

B: YEAH

A: BUT UH IT'S DIFFERENT IT'S DIFFERENT IT'S NOT THE SAME BUT EH IT'S A SENSE OF YOU KNOW

B: <LAUGH>

A: LETTING GO <LAUGH>

B: YEAH IT FEELS VERY NICE I I REALLY HOPE YOU WILL FEEL LIKE THIS WITH SAILING AS WELL BECAUSE IT'S NOT SO FAR FROM BEING IN A BALLOON IT'S JUST LONGER AND <LAUGH> IT GETS EASY

A: <LAUGH>

B: BUT OTHERWISE IT'S PRETTY SIMILAR

A: AND UH IT'S NOT SO LONG AND YOU KNOW WHERE YOU LAND YOU KNOW <LAUGH> YOU KNOW THE PORT IS FIXED AND <NO-SPEECH> <OVERLAP>

B: YEAH THA THAT'S THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT ADVANTAGE YES YOU HAVE MORE CONTROL

A: YOU HAVE MORE CONTROL YEAH YEAH YEAH

B: YEAH

A: BUT THE THE SHIP THAT WE WILL TRAVEL WITH O ON UH DOES IT HAVE A YOU KNOW LIKE UM MOTOR OR ONLY

B: YES I I I'M NOT SURE ACTUALLY BUT I GUESS IT DOES BECAUSE I'M NOT EVEN SURE THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED TO SAIL WITHOUT AN ENGINE NOWADAYS

A: UH HUH UH HUH UH HUH

B: UH SO U USUALLY EVEN THE OLD TALL SHIPS THEY HAVE BEEN EQUIPPED WITH ENGINES BUT MANY OF THEM WERE USED FOR COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES SUCH AS FISHING OR TRANSPORT

A: MM HMM

B: AND AND THEY HAVE BEEN EQUIPPED A LONG TIME AGO WITH

A: MM HMM

B: ENGINES

A: MM HMM

B: OR EVEN BUILT WITH THEM SO YEAH I'M PRETTY SURE UH IT'S ALSO THE FACT THAT WITHOUT AN ENGINE IT WOULD NEED A TUGBOAT OR SOME ASSISTANCE EVERY TIME IT MOVES OR IT HAS TO TO STOP IN A PORT

A: MM HMM

B: SO THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL COST AND SO I I GUESS IT MAKES SENSE FOR THEM TO TO HAVE AN ENGINE

A: OF COURSE NO I THINK IT'S S SAFER YOU KNOW

B: YEAH DEFINITELY

A: MM BECAUSE THERE'S NOW MM THERE'S THE WIND THERE'S THE WAVE

B: YES YES YOU KNOW IN THE OLD DAYS UH A SHIP MIGHT HAVE TO JUST WAIT FOR WEEKS UH IF IT DIDN'T IF IF DIDN'T HAVE THE THE RIGHT WIND

A: THE RIGHT WEATHER YEAH TO

B: YEAH THAT THAT WAS VERY DANGEROUS FOR THE CREW AS WELL

A: AND THEY HAD TO STAY ON THEY COULDN'T I DON'T KNOW LIKE THEY GO TO UH SLEEP LIKE THE BOAT THE

B: YES THEY COULD DO THAT THEY COULD TRY TO PULL THE THE SHIP WITH ROW ROW BOATS

A: OH OKAY

B: BUT THIS IS NOT SOMETHING YOU CAN DO FOR A LONG TIME <COUGH>

A: MM HMM

B: I MEAN I IT'S IT'S VERY SLOW AND UH VERY TIRING FOR THE CREW TO DO THIS

A: MM HMM MM HMM

B: SO YOU MIGHT DO IT IF IT'S AN EMERGENCY OR SOME SPECIAL SITUATION BUT I DON'T THINK YOU CAN DO IT FOR DAYS ON END TO COMPENSATE FOR THE LACK OF WIND

A: MM HMM <LAUGH>

B: AND WHAT ACTUALLY

A: YEAH

B: HAPPENS IF YOU HAVE THE BAD WIND AND CURRENTS IS THAT YOU MIGHT GO VERY FAR FROM YOUR COURSE OR EVEN GO BACK

A: OOH

B: <LAUGH> YEAH

A: <LAUGH> THAT'S NOT GOOD

B: AND IN THAT CASE IT DOESN'T HELP SO MUCH TO UH USE THE ROW BOATS TO TO PULL THE SHIP

A: IT SOUNDS SO DIFFICULT <LAUGH>

B: YEAH IT IS

A: EVERYTHING SOUND SO DIFFICULT

B: SAILING USED TO BE VERY MUCH UH OR SEASON DEPENDENT I MEAN YOU WOULD USE

A: MM HMM YEAH

B: A CERTAIN BOAT DEPENDING ON UH ON THE SEASON YOU ARE IN

A: MM HMM