B: YES THAT'S WHY I PREFER TO USE TEAMS 'CAUSE YOU CAN SEARCH PEOPLE UP AND JUST CALL THEM

A: MM HMM

B: MUCH EASIER THAN LIKE CREATING A LINK AND THEN SEND A LINK AND THEN ENTER PASSWORD

A: YEAH SURE

B: AND ALL THE BLAH BLAH BLAH

A: YEAH THAT IT'S NOT THAT EASY TO UNDERSTAND ANYWAY BUT I THINK TEAMS IS NOT THAT GOOD SOMETIMES I GUESS

B: YEAH THEY'VE GOT THEIR PROS AND CONS

A: OH I HAVE SOME OF SOME PEOPLE THAT SAID LIKE NO I CANNOT JOIN TEAMS I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS LIKE IT'S REALLY YOU JUST HAVE TO CLICK THE LINK

B: SO EASY SOME PEOPLE DON'T EVEN USE I KNOW SOME OLDER PROFESSORS WHO DON'T EVEN LIKE TO USE EMAILS AT ALL IT TAKES THEM LIKE A MONTH TWO PLUS

A: SO WHAT THEY DO <LAUGH>

B: I DON'T KNOW THEY DO EVERYTHING ON PAPER DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW THEY DO LIKE STATISTICAL ANALYSIS AND STUFF

A: <LAUGH> I THOUGHT YOU WERE SAYING LIKE

B: I THINK <OVERLAP>

A: THEY DON'T USE EMAIL <LAUGH>

B: YEAH IF YOU DON'T USE EMAIL DO YOU DO YOU USE R LIKE IF YOU TEACH PSYCHOLOGY DO YOU USE R

A: <LAUGH> YOU SEND EVERYTHING BY POST <LAUGH>

B: BY PIGEONS

A: <LAUGH> I MEAN YOU CAN STILL HAVE POST HERE SO THAT'S A GOOD THING BUT NO

B: YEAH WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION BEFORE YEAH THAT IS STILL THAT IS A THING

A: WHAT SENDING THE REVIEW BY POST <LAUGH>

B: YEAH YEAH

A: UH WHAT

B: STILL LIKE UM LOTS OF YOU CAN SEND LOTS OF THINGS BY POST YEAH EVEN THE JOURNAL SUBSCRIPTIONS THEY STILL HAVE LIKE THE PAPER VERSIONS <DTMF>

A: OH YEAH LIKE PAPER VERSION YOU KNOW LIKE THE REVIEW OF THE MANUSCRIPT THAT YOU'RE WORKING ON SENDING IT CORRECTIONS BY POST HAD WRITING THINGS NO

B: MM I HOPE NOT

A: I HOPE NOT BUT I KNOW THAT UM MY PARTNER <LAUGH>

B: UNIDENTIFIABLE

A: NOT IDENTIFIABLE <LAUGH> UM HE HAS HELP SOMEONE IN THE UNI STRUGGLING WITH EXCEL

B: OH OKAY

A: AND THEY SEND SOME SORT OF UH RANDOM EMAIL LIKE PLEASE I NEED SOME HELP LIKE JUST FILTER AND STUFF IN EXCEL AND STUFF AND THEN THEY PAY YOU JUST I KNOW THAT IT'S NOT JUST FOR DOING THIS

B: I WANNA GET PAID HELPING YOU FILTER OUT SHEETS I LOVE SPREADSHEETS

A: OVER HERE NOT GOOD

B: IF I'M NOT VERY GOOD AT EXCEL BUT I DO LOVE FILTERING MM

A: BUT YOU CAN DO FILTERING IN MANY OTHER THINGS INSTEAD OF EXCEL I DON'T KNOW IF YOU RECEIVED SOME SORT OF EXCEL ON THAT KIND OF THINGS IN OFFICE WHEN YOU WERE IN HIGH SCHOOL

B: MM HMM

A: I DON'T KNOW

B: I'VE NEVER LEARNED I'VE NEVER LEARNED PROPERLY

A: NEVER EVER

B: NO I'VE NEVER LEARNED PROPERLY

A: I USED TO HAVE A COURSE LITERALLY EVERY EVERY TERM OR EVERY YEAR WHEN I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL WE GOT THIS COMPUTATIONAL SKILLS COURSE THAT YOU NEED TO PASS AND YOU HAVE LIKE TWO HOURS OF THAT

B: YEAH HOW TO TURN ON THE COMPUTER AND WHICH MAKE YOU PREPARED

A: NO IT WAS MORE LIKE FILTERING THE

B: I HAD CLASSES LIKE THAT WHERE THEY THEY'RE LIKE THIS IS THE START BUTTON YOU NEED TO PRESS THE START BUTTON AND I HAVE TO LOG IN AND THEN THIS IS HOW TO USE THE MOUSE

A: YEAH YEAH BUT THEN I DON'T KNOW IT IT WAS MORE ADVANCE AND NOT THEY TRIED TO TEACH US HOW TO USE MA MACROS OR MACROS IN EXCEL AND HOW TO USE THE

B: OH I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS

A: AND THERE IS ANOTHER ANOTHER STUFF BUT I DON'T REMEMBER THAT IT WAS REALLY USEFUL FOR BIG DATA SETS THAT IS NOT EXCEL BUT IT WAS PURPLE I JUST REMEMBER THE ICON THAT WAS PURPLE I NEVER UNDERSTOOD IT

B: <DTMF>

A: NO NO NO NO ANOTHER ONE FOR REALLY BIG DATA SETS

B: DON'T KNOW

A: BUT I DON'T REMEMBER

B: MM I CAN ONLY USE R AND

A: FROM FROM A START WHEN I WAS BORN I WAS USING R <LAUGH>

B: EXACTLY WHEN I WAS BORN 'CAUSE I WAS GENIUS YEAH STILL CAN'T DO ANYTHING YEAH BUT I'M TRYING TO LEARN PYTHON 'CAUSE EVERY SINGLE IF YOU LOOK AT THE CVS OF EVERY SINGLE PERSON OUT THERE THEY KNOW AT LEAST LIKE THREE LANGUAGES AND A FEW VERY STUPID ONLY ONE THING IT'S PRETTY BASIC THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS

A: I THINK I THINK YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ALREADY SPEAK TWO HUMAN LANGUAGES

B: YEAH IT DOESN'T MATTER LITTLE BIT LIKE EVERYTHING I DON'T THINK THAT'S SUCH A BIG DEAL 'CAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE FROM LIKE UM MAINLAND EUROPEAN COUNTRIES THEY SPEAK AT LEAST TWO OR THREE LANGUAGES AT HOME ANYWAY AND LIKE YEAH IF YOU IF FOR EXAMPLE LIKE IF YOUR MOM IF YOUR MOM AND DAD FROM DIFFERENT COUNTRIES AND THEY ALSO SPEAK ENGLISH THEN THAT'S THREE ALREADY

A: OKAY

B: YEAH LIKE MY MY PARTNER HE WANT TO I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY LANGUAGES HE SPEAKS

A: YEAH HOW MANY LANGUAGES JUST DOES HE SPEAK

B: HE WELL THERE'S NATIVE GERMAN AND THEN BUT THE LOCAL DIALECT SWISS GERMAN AND THEN HE ALSO LEARNED ENGLISH FROM FROM FROM A VERY YOUNG AGE AND BECAUSE IT'S SWITZERLAND YOU STILL HAVE TO LEARN AT LEAST TWO OTHER LANGUAGE THAT THEY SPEAK IN COUNTRY LIKE FRENCH OR ITALIAN OR SOMETHING ELSE AND THEN HE WENT TO NORWAY AND THEN HE LEARNED <DTMF> SO HE KNOWS I DON'T KNOW EVEN I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW MANY LANGUAGES

A: I THINK DEPENDS IF YOU QUALIFY AND THEN YOU CATEGORIZE HOW M MUCH YOU KNOW FROM A LANGUAGE BECAUSE NO MATTER HOW MANY LANGUAGES YOU SPEAK IT DOESN'T MATTER NO NOT HOW YOU SPEAK BUT

B: HOW FLUENT YOU ARE BASICALLY

A: YES HOW FLUENT YOU ARE

B: MM HMM

A: YEAH

B: AND THE PROFICIENCY ALSO YEAH IT'S NOT LIKE YOU KNOW OR YOU DON'T KNOW IT'S ON A SPECTRUM EVERYTHING'S ON SPECTRUM

A: THE SAME WITH PYTHONS AND ALL ALL THE OTHER LANGUAGES I GUESS

B: MM HMM I'M SOMEWHERE RIGHT HERE SO SO

A: ABOUT WHAT <LAUGH> BUT I THINK WELL WHAT WHAT I WAS HEARING THE OTHER DAY WHEN WE GOT THIS BIG CONSORTIUM MEETING ALL ABOUT SPEAKING PROGRAMMING LANGUAGES IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE BASIS OF PROGRAMMING ITSELF BECAUSE EVEN I THINK PYTHON AND R WAS ARE TWO LANGUAGES ARE HAVE STAYED SOME SORT OF ON A COMMON GROUND

B: YEAH

A: 'CAUSE YEAH THERE'S MANY OTHERS THAT JUST HAVE EVOLVED OR DISAPPEARED OR YOU KNOW IT BUT IT'S A COMBINATION OF MANY OTHER LANGUAGES

B: MM HMM MM HMM

A: YEAH

B: MM HMM

A: I DON'T KNOW

B: THERE'S A UM THE CONFERENCE I'M GOING TO THEY'VE GOT LIKE ANOTHER VERSION OF IT SO IT'S LIKE ACM BUT UM THEY'VE GOT ANOTHER VERSION AND IT'S FOR LINGUISTICS ONLY AND THAT'S THAT LOOKS QUITE FUN BUT I CAN'T

A: AND WHAT IS THAT LANGUAGES AGAIN

B: IT'S ACL ADVANCED SOMETHING FOR LINGUISTICS AND YEAH I'M QUITE INTERESTED BUT I CAN'T GO TO FIVE CONFERENCES IN ONE YEAR IT'S WAY TOO MANY

A: I MEAN YOU COULD <OVERLAP> IF EVERYTHING IS ONLINE <LAUGH>

B: IT'S ONLY I ONLY <NO-SPEECH> PART OF IT

A: NO BAD PRACTICE

B: YEAH I JUST DON'T WANNA GO TRAVEL AROUND 'CAUSE SO THAT'S LIKE ONE OF THE PERKS FOR WHAT WE DO WE GET TO TRAVEL I WILL GET WE GET WE CAN GET PAID FOR AS LONG AS IT DON'T GO TO LIKE TEN WHEN YOU ASK FOR MONEY FOR TEN THINGS

A: WELL YEAH

B: MM HMM MM HMM

A: BUT YOU KNOW KNOW EVERYONE THAT HAS GOT INTO PHD SOMETIMES THEY'RE LIKE YEAH THIS IS KIND OF THE THE THING TRAVEL AND MEET PEOPLE BUT WE'RE NOT EXPERIENCED ANYTHING THROUGHOUT THE PANDEMIC AND I'M LIKE OH OKAY YEAH <LAUGH>

B: YEAH I THINK I GOT QUITE LUCKY I GUESS FOR I GRADUATED UNDERGRAD WHEN PANDEMIC HAPPENED AND THEN I GOT INTO PHD WHEN PANDEMIC SORT OF NOT NOT OVER BUT A LOT MORE LOOSE THAN BEFORE SO I THINK I GOT THE BEST

A: YEAH

B: END OF BOTH DEALS

A: <LAUGH> I EXPERIENCED THE PANDEMIC ALSO STUDYING

B: YEAH I FEEL QUITE BAD FOR THE YEAR ABOVE ME THEY'RE SORT OF JUST STUCK AT HOME FOR LIKE THE ENTIRE YEAR

A: YEAH YEAH THAT DOESN'T HELP AT ALL

B: MM DEPENDS IF YOU LIKE IT I LIKE TO BE STUCK AT HOME I DO LIKE IT

A: YEAH BUT I MEAN FROM THE EDUCATIONAL EXPERIENCE

B: OH YEAH DEFINITELY IT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT LEVEL

A: YEAH I'M A A VERY STRONG BELIEVER THAT ANY SOME SORT OF COMMUN COMMUNAL OR COMMUNITY EXPERIENCE BASED ON THE EDUCATION AND EV EVEN THE WORK

B: MM HMM

A: EVERYTHING IS JUST FOR THE SOCIAL INTERACTION BECAUSE YOU CAN WORK BY YOUR OWN

B: MM HMM FIFTEEN MINUTES IT'S FIFTEEN MINUTES

A: NO YET WE HAVE STILL FIVE MINUTES TO GO YES WHAT ELSE WE CAN TALK ABOUT

B: I DON'T KNOW

A: BECAUSE THEY HAVE PROBLEMS LIKE THESE THINGS OF WHAT IS THE MEMORY OF YOUR CHILDHOOD AND LIKE

B: I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT MEMORIES OF MY CHILDHOOD