B: IF YOU THINK ABOUT OLDER SHIPS

A: YEAH UM BUT THERE'S I THINK IN THE IN THE MEDITERRANEAN SEA THEY HAVE YOU KNOW LIKE DOLPHINS I THINK IT'S WORTH <LAUGH>

B: YEAH I THINK THERE THERE ARE DOLPHINS EVERYWHERE I GUESS IN IN THIS UH AREA OF OF

A: MM HMM

B: CLIMATE

A: MM HMM SO YOU CAN SEE DOLPHINS <OVERLAP>

B: BUT UM SO YOU WILL SEE THE DOLPHINS <LAUGH>

A: FROM THE MALL YEAH <LAUGH>

B: YEAH BUT YOU YOU KNOW YOU WOULD BE SEEING THEM FROM LIKE FIFTY METERS UH UH HIGH BECAUSE UH UH THE THE FREE DECK IS VERY HIGH ABOVE THE WATER

A: MM HMM MM HMM

B: IT'S NOT LIKE SEEING THEM FROM A BOAT OR A SMALL SHIP

A: BUT I DON'T THINK

B: IT' LIKE SEEING THEM FROM THE TOP OF A OF A A BLOCK OF FLATS

A: YEAH AND THAT'S MM MM IT'S STRANGE A LITTLE BIT BUT IF YOU HAVE UH YOUR ROOM AND WITH THOSE ROUND UH WINDOWS

B: YEAH

A: YOU KNOW AND YOU'RE AT THE LEVEL OF THE SEA YOU COULD

B: YEAH PROBABLY BUT I I'M NOT SURE YOU WANT TO BE THERE BECAUSE USUALLY THE THE UH WORST CABINS ARE AT THE

A: ARE THERE

B: BOTTOM <LAUGH>

A: YEAH

B: AND UH ACTUALLY IF YOU IF YOU HAVE A A BETTER CATEGORY OF ACCOMMODATION IT SHOULD BE HIGHER UP ACTUALLY I THINK

A: ALWAYS HIGH ALWAYS HIGH

B: <LAUGH> ALWAYS IS

B: BUT THAT THAT THAT STAYED THE SAME WITH TI TITANIC I THINK

A: I WAS THINKING ABOUT TITANIC A LITTLE BIT <LAUGH>

B: YEAH THE THIRD CLASS YOU ALWAYS HAVE THE UH IRISH PEOPLE DANCING

A: DANCING YEAH <LAUGH> YEAH THERE WAS AN ORDER OVER THERE YEAH WE SHOULD

B: BUT NO I THINK IT IT'S IT'S OKAY I MEAN UH THE THE THE THING I LIKE MOST ABOUT THESE SHIPS IS THAT THEY'RE VERY FAST SO YOU GO TO SLEEP IN VENICE AND YOU WAKE UP IN BARCELONA AND UH

A: REALLY

A: YEAH THEY <DTMF>

A: THAT FAST

B: YEAH

A: WOW

B: UM AND THEY ALSO GO MORE OR LESS IN STRAIGHT LINES

A: MM HMM

B: ON THE SEA

A: AH BECAUSE THEY'RE SO POWERFUL SO THEY DO NOT HAVE TO AVOID CERTAIN

B: NO

A: WIND CERTAIN CURRENTS

B: NO DEFINITELY NOT

A: YEAH THEY ARE YOU KNOW LIKE A BIG MAMMOTH <LAUGH>

B: YEAH AND BUT THE SCHEDULE IS LIKE THIS YOU GET IN THE MORNING TO YOUR DESTINATION YOU HAVE THE WHOLE DAY OR MOST OF IT ON LAND AND THEN YOU UH BOARD THE SHIP AND UH IN THE EVENING OR AT NIGHT IT GOES TO THE NEXT DESTINATION

A: MM HMM DOESN'T SOUND SO BAD YEAH SPENT THE NIGHT ON THE SEA AND YOU DON'T ENJOY THAT MUCH THE SEA THAT'S YOUR POINT

B: YEAH THAT'S MY POINT BUT I I IF YOU WANT TO DO A CIRCUIT THROUGH THROUGH EUROPE UM IT'S MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE THAN A A BUS

A: MM HMM MM HMM

B: A COACH SO YEAH

A: YEAH

B: IT HAS ITS ADVANTAGES

A: OF COURSE YEAH I THINK IT'S NICER AND YOU HAVE THE SEAGULLS AND THE UH SALTY AIR MM I THINK THERE ARE SOME ADVANTAGES

B: I JUST REMEMBERED THE UH A STORY UM I HAD THIS UH UH CHILDREN'S BOOKS OR TEENS BOOKS I DON'T KNOW WHEN I WAS A LITTLE CHILD AND UM THERE WERE STORIES UH UH I THINK THEY WERE UH WRITTEN BY RUSSIANS ACTUALLY AND TRANSLATED

A: OKAY

B: AND UH ONE OF THEM WAS ABOUT UH THIS SHIP I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT WAS HAPPENING THERE BUT I REMEMBER AT ONE POINT THERE WAS ALSO AN ILLUSTRATION OF THE SHIP'S CAPTAIN FOR FUN UH TAKING HIS RIFLE AND SHOOTING AT SEAGULLS AND FROM THAT MOMENT ON I UH IT STUCK IN MY MIND THAT THIS IS SOMETHING YOU DO ON A SHIP <LAUGH> YOU KNOW

A: YOU SHOOT THE SEAGULLS YEAH

B: YEAH JUST KILLING TIME YOU KNOW JUST

A: OH MY GOD

B: YOU TAKE A RIFLE AND SHOOT AT SEAGULLS

A: OH MY GOD THOSE RUSSIAN AUTHORS <LAUGH>

B: YEAH

A: AND TH THEY ALSO HAVE THE DRAWING I IMAGINE YOU KNOW

B: YES YES IT WAS UH HAND DRAWN IT WAS VERY SUGGESTIVE

A: YEAH

B: ACTUALLY <LAUGH>

A: THAT'S THE <LAUGH> THAT'S THE THING THE DRAWINGS THE IMAGES

B: YEAH ACTUALLY UH THOSE UM BOOKS I I HAD AS A LITTLE CHILD THEY WOULD THEY HAD VERY GOOD ILLUSTRATION NOW THAT I THINK OF THEM

A: THEY WERE UM I THINK THEY WERE SO DIFFERENT FROM NOWADAYS BECAUSE UH THEY WOULD USE UH WATERCOLOR YOU KNOW

B: MM HMM

A: GRAPHICS AND PENCIL GRAPHICS AND SO ON NOW YOU HAVE THAT ADOBE ILLUSTRATOR

A: AND THEY ALL LOOK THE SAME <LAUGH> YOU KNOW IF YOU PUT SO FOR ME FOR ME BECAUSE I'M ANOTHER GENERATION UM UM WITH SNOW WHITE FROM I DON'T KNOW

B: YEAH

A: FIFTIES FROM THE FIFTIES IT'S MORE CHARMING HAS A LOT OF UH YOU KNOW THAT SPECIFIC PERFUME WITH THAT

B: MM HMM

A: TWO D GRAPHICS <LAUGH>

B: YEAH

A: THAN THOSE LIKE M MICKEY MOUSE CLUB YOU KNOW <LAUGH>

B: MM HMM

A: I DON'T THINK YOU KNOW THEM DO YOU KNOW THEM

B: WHO

A: MICKEY MOUSE CLUB

B: NO

A: NO THEY ARE SO TOO PERFECT TOO YOU YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO RELATE THEM TO

B: BUT WHAT KIND OF UH GRAPHICS IS IT

A: UH IT'S MADE LIKE IN ADOBE IN PREMIER

B: MM HMM

A: YOU KNOW IN THREE D

B: SO IS IT THREE D

A: YEAH IT'S THREE D UH IT LOOKS MORE REAL SOMEHOW BUT IT IT IS

B: MM HMM

A: TOO COLORFUL TO BE REAL YOU KNOW <LAUGH> MM BUT THE KIDS ARE BORN WITH MICKEY MOUSE CLUB <LAUGH> AND THEY THEY DO NOT <NO-SPEECH> <OVERLAP>

B: A AND MICKEY MOUSE CLUB MEANS ALL THE DISNEY CHARACTERS

A: YES YES

B: MM HMM

A: UH LIKE MINNIE MICKEY I THINK THEY HAVE ALSO GOOFY YOU KNOW THOSE CHARACTERS

B: THEY HAVE DONALD DUCK

A: YEAH OF COURSE

B: IT WAS MY FAVORITE

A: <LAUGH> YEAH IT WAS CRAZY THE WAY HE TALK I THINK I I LIKED ALL THE I LIKE DONALD AND GOOFY BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T UNDERSTAND THE THE WORDS BUT YOU UNDERSTOOD THEM YOU KNOW <LAUGH>

B: I NEVER LIKED GOOFY HE WAS TOO SLOPPY I DUNNO IT IT AARGH

A: I LIKE THE WAY HE TALK <OVERLAP>

B: YEAH HE WAS GOOFY OF COURSE

A: <LAUGH>

B: BUT DONALD GETTING MAD THAT WAS PERFECT

A: AH <LAUGH> IT WAS A SHOW

B: YEAH

A: <LIPSMACK>

B: YEAH YOU'RE MUCH BETTER

A: AND HE GOT ANGRY AH AND DO YOU REMEMBER THAT HE HAD UH THREE LITTLE DUCK NEPHEWS

B: YEAH YEAH YEAH

A: OH MY GOD

B: YEAH

A: <LAUGH> IT WAS A FULL SHOW BUT

B: YEAH YEAH THAT THAT WERE THAT WERE THE FUNNIER AND I THINK THERE WERE ALSO THESE CARTOONS WHERE IT WAS DONALD AND CHIP AND DALE

A: AH THEY WERE SO YEAH OH MY GOD THEY WERE SO LOVELY

B: YEAH

A: YES YES I KNOW THEM CHIP AND DALE ALSO MM THAT'S ANOTHER <LAUGH>

B: MM HMM

A: THAT'S ANOTHER GOOD MEMORY THE WAY THEY TALK I SHOULDN'T I SHOULD LISTEN MORE TO TO THE WAY THEY TALK YOU KNOW THEY SQUEAK THEY DON'T TALK

B: YEAH THEY YEAH

A: I BUT I'M CURIOUS HOW THEY DID THE VOICEOVER BEC I DON'T THINK IT IT WAS MADE ON A COMPUTER

B: NO THEY COULDN'T HAVE IT WAS THE FORTIES

A: IT WAS THE FORTIES <OVERLAP>

B: I I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANY PROCESSING THERE YEAH

A: OH I SEE

B: ALL OF THESE ALL OF THESE CARTOONS IN OUR CHILDHOOD THEY WERE ACTUALLY WERE PROPAGANDA YOU KNOW MOST IT I MEAN

A: NO

B: YEAH

A: NO THEY WEREN'T <LAUGH>

B: THEY WERE THEY WERE MADE IN THE FORTIES AND IF YOU REMEMBER THERE WERE A LOT ABOUT UH UH YOU KNOW FIGHTING UH THERE WERE GUNS THERE MANY TIMES

A: YEAH

B: UH IT IT WASN'T REALLY ABOUT NAZIS MAYBE BUT IT WAS ABOUT UH YOU KNOW HAVING THIS UH UH FIGHTING ATTITUDE I GUESS

A: MM HMM

B: BEING SORT OF AGGRESSIVE WHICH YOU DON'T SEE IN LATER CARTOONS

A: YEAH

B: I MEAN YEAH YOU HAVE MISCHIEVOUS CHARACTERS BUT NOT THAT THAT ATTITUDE AND YOU KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF UH UH FLAG WAVING UH

A: YEAH

B: YOU HAVE A FEW SYMBOLS IN TOM AND JERRY AND IN IN DONALD DUCK AS WELL ACTUALLY

A: YEAH AND YOU KNOW

B: AND POPEYE THE SAILOR HE WAS ACTUALLY I I THINK HE WAS A PROPAGANDA CHARACTER HE WAS MEANT LIKE THAT I THINK

A: HE WAS FIGHTING WHO I MEAN HE WAS FIGHTING THAT BIG GUY BROWN HEAD BROWN HAIR GUY DARK HAIRED GUY

B: YEAH YEAH YEAH

A: A HUGE I DUNNO IN FACT

B: YEAH

A: BUT THEY'RE SAYING THAT WAS I DUNNO HE SYMBOLIZED RUSSIA OR SOMETHING I DON'T THINK SO

B: I'M I'M NOT SURE BECAUSE AT THAT POINT IT WASN'T RUSSIA IT WAS UH YOU KNOW EVERYTHING BAD I GUESS WELL IT WAS THE NAZIS BUT UH RUSSIA BECAME A PROBLEM LATER AFTER THE WAR

A: AFTER THE WAR YEAH YEAH YEAH

B: YEAH

A: THE COLD WAR

B: YEAH THE THE BUT POPEYE WAS ACTUALLY OLDER I THINK HE CAME FROM THE TWENTIES OR THIRTIES AND HE WORKED

A: I DON'T KNOW I DON'T KNOW

B: YEAH

A: MAYBE THERE WAS A COMIC BOOK AND AFTER

B: YEAH I THINK THAT'S HOW IT STARTED

A: MM HMM