B: AND I AM A GENERATION TWO SO I THINK THAT TAYLOR IS ONE OF THE FOR ME HE'S ONE OF THE BEST ONES AND ACTUALLY HE WAS WORKING ON <DTMF> MEDICATION AT SOME POINT AS WELL UM AND I REMEMBER THAT HE TOLD ME ONCE THAT HE HEARD THE THEORY THAT PEOPLE WHO PLAYED GAMES WHEN THEY WERE YOUNG AND STUFF IT MADE THEM THINK IN A DIFFERENT WAY AND I ACTUALLY ACTUALLY AFTER UM SOMETIME I I HAVE SEEN A LOT OF EXAMPLES OF PEOPLE WHO WERE VERY GOOD AT PLAYING GAMES AND SPEND A LOT OF TIME PLAYING GAMES WHEN THEY WERE YOUNG AND NOW ARE CRAZY WITH AT RESEARCH AND COMPUTER SCIENCE AND OTHER STUFF SO

A: LIKE MY OLDEST BROTHER MY OLDEST BROTHER SPEND A LOT OF TIME PLAYING

B: YOUR OLDEST BROTHER YOUR OLDER BROTHER IS ONE EXAMPLE ACTUALLY UM I REMEMBER THAT YOU TOLD ME AND I THOUGHT OH THAT'S THAT WAS I GOOD EXAMPLE ORIOL VINYALS WHO IS ONE OF THE LEADS OF DEEPMIND UM WHICH IS A COMPANY IN IN LONDON HE USED TO BE A CHAMPION ON STARC STARCRAFT

A: MM HMM

B: UM WHICH IS A WHICH IS A GAME IT'S IT'S LIKE <DTMF> PLAYERS I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW IT'S LIKE YOU HAVE TO BUILD A CITY AND THEN DESTROY OTHER CITIES AND STUFF IT'S LIKE RISK OR SOMETHING BUT WITH UM VIDEO GAMES AND INTERESTINGLY HE LATER ON UM HE THOUGHT OKAY UM IF A MACHINE CAN SOLVE THAT PROBLEM OF PLAYING THAT GAME WE WILL WILL BE IN A STEP FORWARD FOR ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE AND HE SPENT THE LAST TEN YEARS LIKE WORKING ON AN ALGORITHM THAT CAN PLAY THAT GAME AND

A: OH

B: AND BEAT PROFESSIONAL PLAYERS UM BUT YEAH THERE IS SOMETHING THAT THAT OUR PARENTS TEND TO THINK THAT OKAY WE ARE LOSING TIME BUT I THINK IT IT MAKES YOU LIKE THINK IN A MORE STRATEGIC WAY AT LEAST IT IT'S I'M VERY PROUD I'M LIKE PROUD I'M LIKE I THINK WHEN YOU'RE PLAYING THAT GAME YOU'RE READY TO SOLVE SMALL TASKS LET'S SAY YOU YOU

A: YEAH

B: TAKE THE THE THE VIDEO GAME YOU DIVIDE THEM IN SMALL TASK AND THEN YOU TRY TO

A: DO YOU STILL PLAY VIDEO GAMES

B: NO ACTUALLY I BOUGHT ONE UM SO SO I USED TO PLAY A LOT ONE VIDEO GAME CALLED ZELDA

A: YES

B: WHICH IS UH

A: I KNOW ZELDA

B: YOU KNOW YOU KNOW ZELDA OKAY SO I WAS SO I ACCEPT THIS MELANCHOLY UH FOR ME LIKE BECAUSE I REMEMBER SPENDING A LOT OF TIME AND REMEMBERING CREATING A LOT WITH THE STORY WHEN I WAS YOUNG AND I DON'T REMEMBER TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO I SAID OKAY UM I WILL BUY A CONSOLE AND I BOUGHT A CONSOLE I AM VERY BAD AT PLAYING GAMES BY WAY SO I I AM NOT GOOD AT ALL AND I GOT A CONSOLE JUST TO PLAY THE NEW VERSION OF ZELDA AND I HAVE IT HERE BUT I I'VE NEVER PLAYED IT MAYBE I PLAYED FOUR OR SIX TIMES I DON'T KNOW UM BUT I'M VERY BAD AT IT UM BUT I HAVE IT HERE AND I HOPE ALSO BECAUSE I HAVE MANEL NOW UH I HOPE THAT HE WILL GET A CONSOLE AND I CAN PLAY WITH HIM OR SOMETHING

A: YEAH THAT'S NICE

B: YEAH MANEL IS MY NEPHEW AND YEAH ANYWAY UM UM HMM UNCOMFORTABLE SILENCE I DON'T KNOW

A: NO NOT UNCOMFOR UNCOMFORTABLE IT'S COMFORTABLE

B: IT'S A COMFORTABLE SILENCE

A: YEAH

B: UM UM SO IF YOU COULD GO TO HOLIDAYS ANYWHERE

A: MM HMM

B: YOU CANNOT SAY TURKEY WHERE WHERE WOULD THAT BE

A: WHERE WOULD THAT BE HMM I DON'T HMM <LAUGH> I DON'T KNOW UM RIGHT NOW UM I THINK I REALLY LIKE THE IDEA OF OF GOING ON HOLIDAYS TO VISIT FRIENDS AND THAT LIVE IN A PLACE

B: MM

A: BECAUSE UM FOR ME IT CHANGES A LOT THE EXPERIENCE OF GOING SO UM I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO GO TO MEXICO I'VE NEVER BEEN

B: OKAY

A: NOW I HAVE

B: YOU'VE NEVER BEEN TO MEXICO REALLY

A: NO

B: OH WOW THAT'S SURPRISING BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN

A: OH NO NO YEAH I'VE BEEN TO MEXICO I'VE BEEN TO MEXICO ACTUALLY UP TO THE SOUTH OF MEXICO

B: BECAUSE YOU UH EXACTLY EXACTLY <OVERLAP>

A: YEAH AND THEN I WENT TO MEXICO CITY

B: OKAY

A: SO I <OVERLAP>

B: I HAVE FRIENDS THERE AS WELL UM YEAH

A: THAT CAN BE A GOOD HOLIDAY THEN BUT SOMEONE THAT I KNOW VERY CLOSELY AND REALLY HAD IDEA ABOUT GOING TO CHINA AND IN THE BEGINNING UM I WAS A SKEPTIC <LAUGH> LIKE CHINA WHAT BUT NOW AS TIME GOES BY I THINK THAT IT CAN BE MORE AND MORE INTERESTING AND I HAVE A GOOD FRIEND THAT LIVE MANY YEARS IN CHINA SO MAYBE THAT COULD BE A PLACE TO VISIT WITH THIS PERSON THAT REALLY LIKES

B: MM HMM

A: CHINA UM THOSE ARE THE THINGS I DON'T KNOW BUT YEAH I REALLY LIKE THE IDEA OF OF CONNECTING UP A PLACE WITH THE PEOPLE THAT IS THERE I GENERALLY LIKE

B: MM

A: SOUTH AMERICA A LOT I'VE BEEN THERE FOR A BIT BUT THERE'S SOMETHING THERE THAT I REALLY ENJOY UM

B: HMM <OVERLAP> WOULD YOU LIKE TO VISIT SOME MORE PLACES IN SOUTH AMERICA BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN TO MANY PARTS OF

A: YEAH I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO VISIT ARGENTINA I'VE NEVER BEEN I WOULD LIKE TO VISIT BRAZIL

B: MM HMM

A: UM YEAH THOSE ARE PLACES THAT I HAVEN'T BEEN TO YET UM CENTRAL AMERICA I WOULD ALSO THINK I KNOW I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING NICE ABOUT THE FACT THAT SINCE I SPEAK SPANISH AND YOU CAN CONNECT VERY QUICKLY WITH PEOPLE UM AND

B: OKAY

A: RELATE IN A WAY THAT SOME MAYBE SOMEWHERE ELSE IT'S HARDER SOMETIMES AND WITH MY ENGLISH BUT AT THE SAME TIME I THINK THERE'S ALSO SOMETHING NICE WHEN WHEN YOU CANNOT COMMUNICATE BECAUSE IT'S A FOREIGN LANGUAGE THERE'S LIKE UM LIKE A SENSE OF OPACITY OF NOT COMPLETELY UNDERSTANDING BUT IT'S ALSO NICE WHEN IT'S TRAVELING

B: MM HMM

A: I THINK I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF <OVERLAP>

B: DO YOU ENJOY THE THAT THAT FEELING IN

A: WHAT

B: DO YOU ENJOY THAT FEELING OF N LIKE NOT BEING ABLE TO IT IS OPACITY FEELING

A: I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND I THINK YES I THINK THERE'S THIS IDEA OF ALSO LIKE GOING SOMEWHERE AND COMPLETELY UNDERSTANDING SOMETHING I THINK IT'S A BIT OFF AS AN IDEA

B: MM HMM

A: UM

B: MM HMM

A: BECAUSE LIKE IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO UNDERSTAND UM LIKE A WHOLE HISTORY OR A WHOLE CULTURE WITH A FEW DAYS AND ONE HAS TO LIKE UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WILL NEVER ACTUALLY LIKE KNOW UM WHAT IS REALLY BEHIND A LOT OF THINGS I THINK I I I GOT AT THIS FEELING WHEN I WAS I LIVED ONE YEAR IN HAITI AND THERE WAS A LOT OF THINGS

B: MM HMM

A: I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND THERE UM OF THE CULTURE AND AT THAT MOMENT I REALLY HAD LIKE THIS WHOLE MINDSET OF WANTING TO UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING

B: MM HMM

A: UM AND I THINK IT HASN'T BEEN LIKE AFTER A FEW YEARS THAT A LOT OF THE EXPERIENCES I HAD THERE FOR ME WERE VERY STRANGE OR UM WELL I WASN'T COMPLETELY COMFORTABLE WITH THOSE EXPERIENCES BECAUSE I THINK I WAS TRYING TO MATCH TO MAKE SENSE OF THINGS THAT SOMETIMES MY RATIONALITY IS NOT ENOUGH TO MAKE SENSE OF OR THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND UM THE THE COMPLEXITY AND I WAS ACTUALLY HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH A FRIEND HERE FROM MY MASTERS THAT UM HAD BEEN IN SOUTH AFRICA FOR A WEEK AND HE WAS SAYING NO ABOUT THINGS THAT YOU CANNOT REALLY COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND BECAUSE SOME HISTORIES AND SOME CULTURES ARE ANOTHER FORM OF LIFE AND THAT ONE THING TO ACCESS COMPLETELY THAT'S UM IS IN A WAY LIKE A WRONG WAY TO POSITION YOURSELF TOWARDS IT

B: MM HMM MM HMM YEAH YEAH THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S SUPER INTERESTING ACTUALLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING LIKE UM THERE ARE TWO THINGS HERE I THINK THE FIRST ONE IS THAT UM THESE RATIONALITIES ARE EXTREMELY CULTURAL I THINK

A: MM HMM

B: LIKE WE WE THINK IN TERMS OF OUR CULTURE AND I THINK THAT THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DANGEROUS AND THIS IS THE SECOND THING BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING THAT I DON'T LIKE AND WHEN I SEE LIKE LIKE MY S SUDDENLY I HAVE TRY TO LIKE THIS THING OF LIKE TRY TO PERSONALITY ABOUT THINGS IT MAKES ME THINK A LITTLE BIT OF COLONIZING OR SOMETHING LIKE

A: YEAH

B: UM YOU KNOW LIKE LIKE YOU YOU SEE PEOPLE DOING THINGS IN A STRANGE WAY AND YOU START JUDGING IT AND IT'S LIKE WELL I MEAN YEAH IT'S IT'S IT'S LIKE YOU START JUDGING FROM THIS POSITION AND SUDDENLY YOU HAVE LIKE UH IT IT'S HAPPENED TO ME A LOT I'M NOT CRITICIZING BECAUSE I THINK IT'S SOMETHING COMPLETELY NORMAL AND YOU HAVE TO TRAVEL A LOT AND TO BE EXPOSED TO THESE SITUATIONS QUITE OFTEN

A: MM HMM

B: AND LIKE FOR ME I REMEMBER IN THE US I WAS LIKE JUDGING ALL THE TIME LIKE OH THESE PEOPLE ARE EATING THAT OR ARE DOING ARE DOING THAT AND THAT WAS AND NOW WHEN I THINK ABOUT IT LIKE FROM A FROM A FROM THE DISTANCE IT WAS A LITTLE BIT YEAH UM YEAH

A: PATRONIZING I MEAN IN CERTAIN CULTURES

B: PATRONIZING YEAH