B: A SMALL ADULT YEAH YEAH YEAH BECAUSE HE WAS LIKE WITH THIS FLOW AND USING ALL THE TRICKS AND HE WAS LIKE TWELVE YEARS OLD YOU KNOW AND EVERYONE WAS LIKE OH <LAUGH> AND WITH THE DREADLOCK YOU KNOW HE WAS SUPER CUTE AND HIS FATHER WAS RECORDING THE VIDEOS AS WELL AND I THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS A VERY NICE I DUNNO UM AND I USED TO GO THERE AND MAX KNEW THAT UM I LIKE HIM A LOT LIKE I LIKE TO WATCH HIM AND EVERY TIME THAT HE WAS IN BARCELONA UM I USED TO GO THERE AND JUST OBSERVE HIM I I LIKE THIS INTERACTION WITH HIM AND NOW HE'S AN ADULT AND HE'S EXTREMELY FAMOUS AND STUFF

A: REALLY HE'S FAMOUS

B: YEAH YEAH YES HE HE WAS FAMOUS ALREADY WHEN HE WAS TWELVE YEARS OLD BUT THEY USED TO COME THERE WELL FAMOUS IN IN THE SKATE WORLD

A: IN SKATE WORLD YEAH

B: IN THE SKATE WORLD WHICH I DUNNO CAN BE GLOBALLY FAMOUS UM BUT YEAH UH AND CLIMBING WAS A BIG PART OF MY LIFE AS WELL WE USED TO DO ROAD TRIPS UM AROUND EUROPE UM CLIMBING WITH WITH VAN AND STUFF AND THERE I I I MET A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WERE REALLY CRAZY ABOUT CLIMBING AND IT WAS A BIG PART OF THEIR LIVES I THINK

A: AND HOW HOW DID YOU START CLIMBING

B: HMM THAT'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION WHEN I WAS FOURTEEN I THINK UM IT WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT I STARTED CLIMBING UM BECAUSE A FRIEND OF MINE BETO UM HE HE WAS A LITTLE BIT LIKE UH JUST STRANGE BECAUSE NOW I SEE HIM AS LIKE I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THIS WAS THE CASE BUT HE WAS LIKE I HAD A LOT OF ADMIRATION FOR HIM AND I REMEMBER ACTUALLY I DID TELECOS LIKE THE MY TELECOMMUNICATIONS ENGINEERING UM BECAUSE OF HIM ACTUALLY

A: MM HMM

B: UM AND YEAH I YEAH SO PART OF WHY I AM IT'S FOR HIM I THINK I DUNNO I HAD A LOT OF ADMIRATIONS FOR THIS GUY AND HE USED TO CLIMB AND WHEN WHEN WINTER I REMEMBER THAT I GOT SOME CLIMBING SHOES AND WE START CLIMBING A LOT AND YEAH I DUNNO I THINK THAT HE HE USED TO BE LIKE THIS BADASS GUY AND I WAS LIKE OH WOW THAT'S COOL BUT THEN I I REMEMBER THAT THAT I STARTED DOING MY OWN PATH THROUGH CLIMBING

A: MM HMM

B: UM HE WAS MORE LIKE UM IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE EVERY CLIMBING HAD CLIMBER HAD HIS OWN PHILOSOPHY AND I THINK THAT FOR BETO WAS MORE AL MORE LIKE AN ALPINIST IN THE SENSE OF LIKE HIS GOAL WAS TO REACH THE TOP OF A MOUNTAIN

A: MM HMM

B: AND I WAS MORE A SPORTIST CLIMBER UM WHICH MEANS THAT UM YOU PREFER TO DO TRICKS AND YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT ARRIVING UM LIKE SO SO HE FOR HIM HIS GOAL IS TO JUST DO LIKE A SUPER BIG MOUNTAIN LET'S SAY AND IF HE IS CLIMBING IN THE MIDDLE HE WILL CLIMB FOR ME CLIMBING IS BY A GOAL BY ITSELF UM

A: YEAH I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN

B: OKAY THAT'S THAT'S ALL ABOUT HOBBIES UM UM FAVORITE OR LESS FAVORITE GAME OR SPORT OR FAME OR MUSIC

A: GAME

B: GAME OKAY

A: GAME THAT AS A CHILD OR AS AN ADULT

B: AS A AS AN ADULT OR AS A CHILD AS A CHILD

A: BECAUSE I WILL COME OUT I WILL COME OUT AS QUITE A NEGATIVE PERSON THAT DOESN'T LIKE HOBBIES AND DOESN'T LIKE GAMES

B: <LAUGH> I KNOW THAT I KNOW THAT ACTUALLY

A: WHAT DO YOU DO IN YOUR SPARE TIME UM

B: I DO GO TO THE BAR

A: <LAUGH>

B: I THINK I'M AN ALCOHOLIC I GO TO THE BAR

A: I'M AN ALCOHOLIC UM NO UM I HAVE A GAME THAT I LIKE IT'S CALLED UM SECRET CODE UM AND IT'S A CARD GAME THAT YOU PLAY UM YOU MAKE TWO TEAMS WITH YOUR FRIENDS AND THERE'S IN EACH CARD THERE'S A DRAWING AND THEY'RE KIND OF VERY LIKE DRAWINGS THAT HAVE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS IN THEM

B: AH OH WOW THAT'S THAT I PLAYED THIS RECENTLY WAS IT WITH YOU OR NO LIKE VERY RECENTLY ACTUALLY

A: NO I DON'T THINK I NEVER PLAYED THAT WITH YOU

B: WHO WHO I PLAYED THIS WITH AH WITH GARCIA AND OTHER PEOPLE ACTUALLY WITH ALEX

A: THAT'S NOT THAT'S THE ONLY ONE I LIKE ACTUALLY BECAUSE MY FORMER FLATMATES BACK IN BARCELONA THEY USED TO DO A LOT OF UM BOARD GAMES ON SUNDAYS AND THEY WOULD

B: UH HUH

A: INVITE PEOPLE OVER AND MOST OF THE TIME I WOULD BE HANGOVER AND <DTMF> THAT THERE WAS PEOPLE IN THE LIVING ROOM <LAUGH> BUT SOMETIMES I WOULD HANG OUT WITH THEM AND THEN ONE DAY THIS FRIEND BROUGHT THIS GAME AND I REALLY LIKED IT AND IT'S THE ONLY GAME I EVER BOUGHT I BOUGHT IT FOR THE HOUSE AND THAT WAS IT

B: IS THIS IS THIS ONE THAT YOU HAVE LIKE DRAWINGS THE RECENT DRAWINGS

A: YES THE RECENT DRAWINGS AND THEN

B: AND THEN YOU HAVE TO SAY I DUNNO THE RED CUP ON THE WALL OR SOMETHING

A: YEAH SO LIKE YOU HAVE A A LITTLE CARD WITH A SECRET CODE IT'S LIKE YOU'RE A SPY AND THEN YOU HAVE FIVE CARDS BY FIVE CARDS ON THE TABLE SO YOU'VE GOT A CARD OF HOW YOUR SECRET CODE WORKS WHICH HAS SIX CARDS THAT ARE LIKE BLUE AND SIX ARE RED

B: AH OKAY NO NO NO NO I'M TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT OKAY I THOUGHT IT WAS A BUT IT ISN'T

A: BUT THEN YOU SAY LIKE THREE CARD THREE UM ON <DTMF> UM

B: MM HMM

A: YOU CAN ONLY SAY ONE WORD AND THE QUANTITY OF CARD SO YOU HAVE TO TRY TO FIND THE RELATIONS BETWEEN THE DRAWINGS AND DISCUSS WITH YOUR TEAM UM BUT ALSO UM I DON'T KNOW I THINK I'M NOT VERY GOOD AT PLAYING GAMES BECAUSE I REMEMBER THAT SOMETIMES WHEN I PLAY THIS GAME THEY WOULD TELL ME I WAS CHEATING <LAUGH> IN THE GAME

B: OH REALLY YEAH

A: YEAH BECAUSE I WAS LIKE DOING GESTURES TO MY TEAM SO THEY WOULD UNDERSTAND LIKE NO NO NO NO <LAUGH> AND YOU CANNOT DO ANY GESTURES I ALSO LIKE THAT GAME OF PUTTING LITTLE PAPERS ON YOUR HEAD <OVERLAP>

B: OH YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH

A: I LIKE THAT ONE AND AND THE ONE OF LIKE ALSO PUTTING WORDS I THINK I LIKE GAMES WITH WORDS UM AND GUESSING AND LIKE MIMICKING AND ALL OF THAT BUT I DON'T LIKE STRATEGY GAMES OR GAMES <OVERLAP>

B: LIKE RISK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT OR MONOPOLY

A: I THINK I LIKE FAST PACED GAMES WHAT GAMES DO YOU LIKE

B: HMM UM YEAH THAT'S INTERESTING I DON'T LIKE BOARD GAMES IN GENERAL ACTUALLY UM SO WHEN I SAY THAT UH IT WAS A LIKE LIKE THIS TYPE OF MAGICAL THING THAT HAPPENS TO US SOMETIMES IT'S BECAUSE THE OTHER DAY I WAS WITH <DTMF> AND AND THE BLOWPIPE BLOW GU GUN GUY GUY <LAUGH> BLOWGUN GUY UM AND WE WERE PLAYING A GAME BUT IT WAS VERY INTERESTING ACTUALLY UH THEY GIVE YOU SOME SOME DRAWING LIKE VERY STRANGE DRAWING LIKE SUPER PSYCHEDELIC SOMEHOW LIKE WITH MANY STRANGE ELEMENTS NON CORRELATED STRANGE ELEMENTS THAT AND THEN YOU HAVE TO SAY SOMETHING UM SAY SAY WHAT IS YOUR CARD ABOUT THEN EVERYONE PUTS THE CARD THAT IS CLOSER TO WHAT YOU SAID AND THEN EVERYONE HAS TO GUESS WHO SAID UM WHAT WHAT IS YOUR CARD BASICALLY SO YOU COME WITH YEAH

A: MAYBE IT'S WITH THE SAME CARDS THAT YOU PLAY THESE BOTH VERSIONS

B: IT'S POSSIBLE YEAH I DON'T KNOW BUT IT WAS INTERESTING ACTUALLY IT WAS VERY PSYCHOLOGICAL I THINK UM BUT WHAT WHAT HAPPENS TO ME WITH BOARD GAMES IS THAT I GET BORED UH <LAUGH> UM

A: YEAH

B: I GET BORED VERY VERY FAST ACTUALLY

A: YEAH ME TOO

B: UM IT JUST JUST IT TAKES ME MAYBE ONE OR TWO ROUNDS TO ENJOY IT I REMEMBER THIS <DTMF> I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT MUCH

A: I I LIKE THAT ONE I REMEMBER BUT TO A CERTAIN

B: YEAH BUT

A: POINT ONCE YOU'VE PLAYED ONCE OR TWICE IT'S A BIT LIKE YEAH OKAY

B: OKAY <DTMF>

A: WE'RE TRYING TO BE READY

B: WHEN WE KNOW IT

A: YEAH

B: YEAH YEAH IT'S IT'S JUST ONE ONE ROUND GAME BUT YEAH IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE THERE IN MY UNIVERSITY IN EDINBURGH EVERYONE IS LIKE CRAZY <DTMF> IT'S CRAZY YEAH I HAVEN'T SEEN IT MUCH MM YEAH IN ALL MY LIFE

A: IS THERE ANY

B: WE'RE NOT PLAYING

A: ANY ANY GAMES THAT YOU REMEMBER PLAYING THROUGHOUT YOUR LIFE NOT ONLY NOT ONLY LIKE BOARD GAMES BUT AS A CHILD OR SOMETIMES

B: OH YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH I USED TO PLAY A LOT OF VIDEO GAMES ACTUALLY AND I THERE IS THIS THEORY I DON'T KNOW <DTMF> PATRICK THAT IS UM ONE OF FOR ME IS ONE OF THE MOST BRILLIANT RESEARCHERS UM UM FROM THE NEXT GENERATION UH SO I HAVE MY ADVISOR MY ADVISOR IS GENERATION ONE LET'S SAY THAT NEXT GENERATION WAS TAYLOR I THINK

A: MM HMM