A: WAS IN PRIMARY SCHOOL

B: OKAY

A: UH AT THE SPORTS HALL AS WELL UM MAYBE MAYBE FOR LIKE TWO MONTHS PROBABLY AND THEN I REMEMBER

B: WOW

A: I WAS A MONTH IN AND I WAS FEELING LIKE I'VE LEARNED THINGS I'M PROGRESSING AND THEN SOMEONE ARRIVED AND WITHIN TWO DAYS SHE WAS BETTER THAN I WAS AFTER A WHOLE MONTH

B: <LAUGH> WOW OKAY

A: UM I JUST FELT SO BAD AND DEMOTIVATED AND I THOUGHT THERE WAS SOMETHING WRONG WITH ME AND I'M NOT MADE FOR THIS A AND YEAH UH I HA I DIDN'T HAVE A GREAT SELF CONFIDENCE BACK IN THE DAY ESPECIALLY ABOUT SPORTS AND THEN I DID A LITTLE BIT OF SWIMMING BUT LIKE THE FIRST TIME I GOT A BAD COLD SO THEN MOM DIDN'T WANT TO LET ME KEEP GOING

B: OF COURSE OF COURSE

A: OF COURSE AND THEN THE SECOND TIME I PROBABLY JUST STARTED DOING IT AGAIN I CAN'T REMEMBER AFTER WHAT TIME PERIOD MAYBE A YEAR MAYBE A FEW MONTHS UM AND I REMEMBER I HIT MY TOE IN LIKE THIS LITTLE CONCRETE PLATFORM THING THAT WAS ON THE GROUND I JUST DIDN'T SEE IT AND I WAS LIKE WALKING AND HIT MY TOE

B: WHAT

A: IN THE THING AND THEN I I DON'T THINK I BROKE MY TOE BUT IT WAS HURT SO THEN I JUST DIDN'T GO BACK FOREVER I THINK I THINK THAT WAS THE END

B: WOW

A: 'CAUSE I JUST THOUGHT THIS IS NOT FOR ME AND THEN AS YOU KNOW I STARTED DOING DANCING IN HIGH SCHOOL AND I DECIDED PROBABLY

B: YEAH

A: THAT THIS IS THE SPORT FOR ME SO

B: YEAH

A: EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT VERY SPORTY

B: I MEAN IT'S MOSTLY INTENSIVE SOMEWAY ACTUALLY

A: IT CAN BE

B: IT CAN BE

A: IT'S UP TO YOU <LAUGH> IF YOU'RE MISSING THAT

B: OKAY YEAH

A: YEAH I GUESS SO

B: HMM OKAY

A: SO YEAH AND THEN SINCE COMING HERE I I DID TRY RUNNING ACTUALLY FOR A

B: OH WOW

A: LITTLE BIT UM SPEAKING ONE OF THE

B: I REMEMBER

A: QUESTIONS HERE IS ABOUT EDINBURGH UH BACK WHEN I WAS DOING MY PHD UH IN THE PHD FLAT UM I USED TO RUN MAYBE EVERY OTHER SUNDAY WITH MY FLATMATES AND OH ACTUALLY WITH ONE OF MY FLATMATES WHO SHALL NOT BE NAMED UH BECAUSE OF THE EXPERIMENT

B: MM HMM YEAH PRIVACY

A: UH BUT UH EXACTLY UM THEN THE OTHER FLATMATE JOINED US ONCE AND HE WAS REALLY BADLY HUNGOVER

B: <LAUGH>

A: AND HE WAS JUST SO MUCH BETTER THAN BOTH OF US THAT'S JUST SO DEPRESSING <LAUGH>

B: I'M REALLY

A: SO YEAH I THINK WE STOPPED DOING THAT

B: I DON'T THINK HANGOVER REALLY AFFECTS YOUR RUNNING PERFORMANCE

A: MAYBE I I I DON'T KNOW I GUESS IT DEPENDS ON

B: YEAH

A: HOW SICK YOU FEEL BUT YEAH <LAUGH>

B: YEAH IT DEPENDS YEAH HM

A: YEAH AND I'M NOW DOING YOGA WHICH I WOULD RECOMMEND TO ANYONE

B: YEAH I REMEMBER ONE TIME WHEN YOU WENT BACK FOR FOR HOLIDAYS IN BULGARIA YOU WANTED TO GO RUN AND DAD MADE FUN OF YOU <LAUGH>

A: THAT'S A GOOD ENVIRONMENT TO PROMOTE SPORTING ACTIVITIES RIGHT <LAUGH>

B: YEP YEP YEP EXACTLY

A: YEAH

B: <LAUGH> YEAH

A: I CAN'T RE DID I GO RUNNING IN THE END I THINK I PROBABLY DID ONCE AND THEN

B: YEAH

A: IT WAS TOO INTENSIVE AND I DIDN'T WANT TO DO IT AGAIN THE STORY OF MY LIFE

B: OH I THOUGHT IT WAS TOO AWKWARD OR SOMETHING FOR YOU

A: OR MAYBE TOO AWKWARD YEAH

B: <LAUGH>

A: I THINK WITH THESE THINGS IT'S JUST GOOD TO HAVE REALLY SMALL GOALS LIKE NON ALMOST NONEXISTENT GOALS AND THEN YEAH

B: HM I THINK

A: IT'S EASIER

B: THE BEST THING IS TO HAVE SOMEONE TO DO IT WITH

A: YEAH IDEALLY

B: SO BOTH OF YOU CAN YEP

A: YEAH

B: I DEALLY THAT'S RIGHT

A: AND IT'S REALLY HARD TO FIND SOMEONE TO DO IT THOUGH WITH THOUGH

B: MM

A: IN IN YOGA I WAS ACTUALLY REALLY LUCKY THIS YEAR BECAUSE ONE OF MY FRIENDS TRAINED TO BE A YOGA TEACHER AND

B: OH WOW

A: UH SHE HAS THIS KIND OF UH REALLY UNLIMITED PASS FOR THIS ONE YOGA STUDIO AND SHE LIVES NEARBY AND SHE TRIED TO CONVINCE ME TO GO WITH HER SOMETIMES SO WE STARTED THIS ROUTINE ON SATURDAY MORNING WE TRY TO GO TO YOGA AND THEN AFTER THAT WE GO OUT FOR COFFEE AND BREAKFAST OR BRUNCH WHICH YOU MAKE FUN OF

B: YES BRUNCH OKAY <LAUGH>

A: UH EXACTLY BRUNCH FOR OLD LADIES

B: YEAH YEAH

A: UM AND ACTUALLY I THINK THAT BECAME A REALLY GOOD ROUTINE BECAUSE I NOW WANT TO GO EVEN IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE BRUNCH AFTER THAT SO UH

B: YEAH THAT'S NICE

A: LIKE IT'S NOW INTRINSICALLY REWARDING AS OPPOSED TO EXTRINSICALLY SO

B: YEP

A: IT'S GOOD

B: I MEAN HM THAT'S WHAT I'M DOING RIGHT NOW WITH UH MY ROOMMATE WE'RE GOING

A: MM HMM

B: CLIMBING TOGETHER

A: MM HMM

B: YEAH

A: THAT'S AWESOME

B: IF ONE OF US YEAH IF ONE OF US IS FEELING LAZY THE OTHER ONE IS PUSHING HIM TO GO SO YEAH

A: BUT HAVE YOU EVER BEEN THE ONE WHO'S PUSHING

B: YEAH I HAVE

A: OH WOW

B: BECAUSE YEAH

A: I'M IMPRESSED

B: WOW YEAH

A: GOOD SO UH WHAT WHAT HAS IT BEEN LIKE GOING CLIMBING WHAT KIND OF

B: IT IS VERY FUN

A: LEVEL DO YOU FEEL YOU'RE AT AT THE MOMENT DO YOU

B: I'M STILL KIND OF BEGINNER LIKE

A: MM HMM

B: YEAH BUT I'M STARTING TO THE MOST PROMISING THE BEST THING WITH CLIMBING IS THAT YOU'RE THERE ARE DIFFERENT LIKE LEVELS AND THEY ARE QUITE WELL PLANNED OUT UH I THINK I SHOULD SAY

A: MM HMM

B: YEAH AND IT IS VERY CLEAR WHEN YOU'RE MAKING PROGRESS LIKE ITS REALLY NOTICEABLE BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY LEVELS YOU CAN GO TO AND

A: HM

B: YEAH YOU CAN LIKE

A: HOW MANY LEVELS

B: I MEAN I THINK LIKE THE LEVELS START FROM FOUR WHICH IS JUST LIKE EXTREMELY EASY STUFF LIKE ANYONE FIRST TIME COULD DO IT AND THEN THEY GO UP TO LIKE UH SEVEN EIGHT NINE SO LIKE RIGHT NOW I'M AT SIX SIX B

A: WOW

B: AND UH THEY HAVE LIKE SIX B

A: MM HMM

B: WHICH IS UH IT'S SOMETIMES TRICKY BUT THEY ARE NOT JUST DIFFICULT NOT THAT DIFFICULT

A: HM

B: BUT THERE ARE LIKE WHEN IT GETS TO LIKE WAY HARDER LIKE IT SCALES EXPONENTIALLY I SHOULD SAY

A: MM HMM

B: THE LEVELS SO YEAH SIX IS PRETTY AVERAGE STILL SEVEN IS

A: ACTUALLY IT DOES SOUNDS LIKE TOWARDS THE UPPER END OF THE CONTINUUM

B: NO NO NO UPPER END IS LIKE SEVEN SEVEN EIGHT YEAH

A: OKAY

B: THIS WAY I CAN GET OR LIKE SIX C LIKE THESE THINGS FOR ME RIGHT NOW ARE IMPOSSIBLE ALTHOUGH I'M

A: MM

B: DOING GRADE SIX B

A: MM HMM

B: LIKE I CANNOT EVEN LIKE GET ONE HOOK CORRECTLY LIKE I CANNOT STAY ON THE WALL

A: HM

B: FOR A SECOND SO YEAH

A: OKAY WELL ONE OF MY FRIENDS UH OCCASIONALLY HE DOES CLIMBING AND HE KEEPS TALKING ABOUT HOW MUCH UH DIFFERENCE IT MAKES WHAT YOUR BODY TYPE IS AND

B: TRUE

A: CERTAIN THINGS THAT ARE SUPER EASY FOR A SHORT PERSON ARE REALLY DIFFICULT FOR A TALL PERSON AND VICE VERSA

B: EXACTLY YEAH YEAH YEAH THIS IS EXACTLY LIKE

A: MM HMM

B: UH YEAH SOMETIMES BECAUSE WE'RE LIKE A BIT TALLER THAN AV

A: MM HMM

B: THAN AVERAGE UH WE CAN JUST SKIP SOME HOLES

A: MM HMM

B: AND THIS MAKES IT LIKE SO MUCH EASIER INFINITELY TIMES MORE EASIER BECAUSE IF I WERE SHORTER PERSON LIKE I WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO DO THE DIFFICULT HOLES BUT YEAH SO

A: YEAH OH SO YOU CAN CHEAT <LAUGH>

B: YEAH I I'M LITERALLY WE'RE LITERALLY CHEATING <LAUGH>

A: I SEE

B: YEAH BUT UH OF COURSE LIKE WHEN YOU HAVE TO SQUEEZE OR HOLD SOMEWHERE IT CAN BE BAD IF YOU'RE TALL SO YEAH

A: MM HMM AND UM YEAH THAT SAME FRIEND OF MINE FINDS THAT UM HIS UH FINGER STRENGTH ISN'T VERY GOOD LIKE HIS JOINTS ARE NOT VERY STRONG

B: YEAH WELL

A: DO YOU HAVE THAT

B: WELL YEAH OF COURSE BUT FOR CLIMBING LIKE THESE FINGERS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING SO

A: MM HMM

B: YEAH

A: SO YOU DEVELOP IT

B: YEAH THAT THAT'S THE THING YEAH THE MAIN EXERCISE IS JUST TO HOLD LIKE HANG

A: MM HMM

B: ON JUST ON YOUR FINGERS

A: MM HMM

B: FOR AS LONG AS YOU CAN

A: YOU USED TO DO PULL UPS I REMEMBER AND YOU WERE REALLY GOOD AT THAT

B: YEAH

A: DOES THAT HELP

B: YEAH UH IT'S MANDATORY LIKE YEAH

A: OKAY

B: YEAH <LAUGH>

A: YEAH

B: IT'S PRETTY MUCH MANDATORY

A: THAT'S WHY

B: YOU HAVE TO BE REALLY GOOD AND YOU LIKE SOMETIMES THERE ARE A LOT OF UH THINGS LIKE ON A LOT OF WALLS YOU JUST HAVE TO DO THEM AT AN AWKWARD ANGLE YOU BASICALLY HAVE TO PULL YOURSELF UP

A: MM HMM

B: AND IT REQUIRES A LOT OF STRENGTH

A: MM HMM

B: AND UH OR

A: I THINK MAYBE YEAH THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT FOR ME BECAUSE I

B: OH WELL IT DEPENDS WELL YOU KNOW LIKE WALLS THAT UH LIKE IT DEPENDS ON THE INCLINE OF THE WALL

A: MM HMM