B: YEAH I THINK LIKE I'VE GOTTEN TO A GOOD SCHEDULE NOW IT'S NOT TOO BUSY WHEN I GO 'CAUSE IT'S QUITE LATE IN THE EVENINGS AND I GUESS MOST PEOPLE WORK OUT LIKE STRAIGHT AFTER WORK WHATEVER UM I'M THERE WHEN IT'S LIKE ALL THE FUCKING BROS NOT NOT LIKE NOT LIKE ANYONE'S BEING BRO Y BUT IT'S LIKE PRETTY MUCH IN ALL GUYS I GUESS MAYBE THAT'S TRUE FOR A WEIGHT LIFTING GYM A LOT OF THE TIME UM BUT YEAH THAT'LL BE LIKE I DON'T KNOW THERE'S LIKE A COUPLE GUYS I'M STARTING TO RECOGNIZE WHO LIKE WORK OUT IN PAIRS AND THEY LIKE HYPE EACH OTHER UP AND STUFF WHICH IS SWEET UM BUT I WAS WEARING I GOT A FREE T SHIRT AT A CONFERENCE RECENTLY FOR AN AI COMPANY AND I WAS WEARING THAT AS WORKOUT GEAR AND THEN MULTIPLE PEOPLE CAME UP TO ME TO BE LIKE WHAT'S IT LIKE WORKING FOR THEM AND I WAS LIKE I'M NOT I'M NOT REAL LIKE I'M NOT REAL <LAUGH> I WAS LIKE THIS WOULD A GOOD WAY TO LIKE IF LIKE PICK UP GUYS AT A GYM <LAUGH> IT'S JUST LIKE ALL THE LIKE

A: YEAH

A: TECH ALL THE TECH BROS COME SWARMING AND I'M LIKE YEAH BUT NO I WAS LIKE I DON'T WORK FOR THEM I JUST THEY GAVE ME THIS FREE T SHIRT BUT NOW I DON'T WANNA WEAR IT TO THE GYM BECAUSE IT'S JUST REALLY AWKWARD LIKE I'M JUST LIKE <LAUGH> NO I MEAN I DON'T HAVE A JOB UH JUST I'M FREE

A: <LAUGH>

B: I JUST I COULDN'T TURN DOWN FREE CLOTHES

A: <LAUGH>

B: I'M I'M THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT YOU'RE EXPECTING UM

A: YEAH

B: YEAH IT HAPPENED LIKE TWICE AND THE FIRST TIME I WAS LIKE OH THIS IS KIND FUNNY THE SECOND TIME I WAS LIKE I NEED TO STOP WEARING THIS T SHIRT <DTMF> TOO TOO CRINGE UM

A: UH UNWANTED THE ATTENTION

B: YEAH THEY WERE VERY FRIENDLY IT WAS JUST LIKE AWKWARD 'CAUSE I WAS JUST LIKE NO I'M NOT I'M NOT REALLY LIKE A REAL PERSON WHO WORKS FOR THIS COMPANY I'M JUST LIKE POOR AND WANTED A FREE T SHIRT

A: <LAUGH> YEAH I MEAN LIKE UM I I'M HOPING TO UH BE GOING MORE TO THE GYM THIS SUMMER I HOPE WHAT WHAT THEY SAY IS TRUE THAT LIKE DURING SUMMER IT KINDA DROPS DOWN IN TERMS OF ATTENDANCE BECAUSE NOW AFTER COVID UH RESTRICTIONS KINDA LIFTED IT'S BEEN SO BUSY THERE UM

B: WHEN DO YOU TEND TO GO

A: WHEN

B: YEAH

A: YOU MEAN WHEN DURING THE WEEK OR JUST IS WHEN I'M BACK <OVERLAP>

B: YEAH LIKE NO LIKE WHEN DURING THE WEEK LIKE WHAT KINDA TIME

A: OH OH I DON'T KNOW UM I LIKE TO GO AS MANY TIMES AS POSSIBLE UM BUT SOME TIME LIKE I I I WOULD TYPICALLY GO IN THE AFTERNOON BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE UM I I'M THE I'M THE TYPE OF LIKE WORKER OR LIKE UM LIKE MY WORK HABIT IS THAT LIKE IT NEEDS I REQUIRE A LOT OF TIME TO SORT OF GET IN THE MOOD OF WORKING AND ONCE I'M THERE I'M LIKE SO FIXATED ON WHAT I'M DOING BUT ANY INTERRUPTION WILL JUST LIKE RIP ME OUT OF THAT SO IF I TRY TO LIKE SPLIT THE DAY UP WITH LIKE PRE WORKOUT THEN POST WORKOUT IT'S LIKE IT HAS NEVER WORKED FOR ME SO I TRY TO DO IT EITHER BEFORE I START WORKING OR AFTER I WORK SO IT'S EITHER GONNA BE YOU KNOW IN THE MORNING OR IN THE IN THE AFTERNOON FOR ME YEAH

B: YEAH THAT'S FAIR I THINK I WOULD STRUGGLE TO HAVE LIKE A MID DAY GYM BREAK UM YEAH

A: I REALLY I REALLY MISS BEING ABLE TO SO UH I USED TO WORK AT A AT A PLACE THAT WAS JUST LIKE JUST ON TOP OF A GYM AND I USED TO DO EXACTLY THIS LIKE GO AT TWELVE EVERY DAY AND IT WAS SO NICE BECAUSE IT YOU KNOW YOU GOT A BIT OF A BREAK FROM JUST WORK AND BACK THEN I COULD SORT OF EASILY SETTLE INTO JUST WORKING AGAIN AND IT WAS REALLY NICE MAYBE I CAN JUST SORT OF RE TRAIN THAT HABIT OR YEAH TO GET UP <DTMF>

B: WHY DO YOU THINK WHY DO YOU THINK IT'S CHANGED BECAUSE YOU'RE DOING A PHD NOW

A: YEAH IT'S JUST LIKE DIFFERENT KIND OF WORK AND AND LIKE IT JUST REQUIRES YOU KNOW DIFFERENT KINDA THINKING AND AND LIKE STUFF LIKE BACK LIKE I WAS JUST DOING LIKE UH WEB DEVELOPMENT AND THAT IS KINDA LIKE JUST LIKE DO THIS AND DO THAT AND VERY LIKE THESE STEPS THAT YOU JUST FOLLOW AND IT'S EASY TO JUST JUMP BACK ON THAT LIST OF THINGS YOU HAVE TO DO

B: MM

A: UM BUT YEAH LIKE I'VE I'VE LITERALLY WHEN I'VE WHEN I'VE BROKEN UP MY DURING MY PHD I'VE LITERALLY LIKE I I SWEAR I HAD I HAD AN IDEA <LAUGH>

B: <LAUGH>

A: WHAT WAS THAT IDEA AGAIN <LAUGH>

B: OH SO I FEEL LIKE I LIKE HAVE SO LOW CONTROL ON WHETHER MY BRAIN IS IN FOCUS MODE OR NOT ON FOCUS MODE SO I HAVE A LIST OF THINGS TO DO AND I'LL EITHER DO THEM LIKE NOT NOT LIKE AT THE SAME TIME BUT I'LL SOMETIMES LIKE JUMP BETWEEN THINGS MUCH MORE FREQUENTLY AND THEN SOMETIMES I DO GET LIKE QUITE IN THE ZONE BUT I'VE I DON'T TRY AND LIKE I GUESS LIKE TRY AND CONTROL WHEN THAT HAPPENS CAUSE MY BRAIN IS JUST ITS OWN ENTITY U

A: MM HMM I'M ALSO LIKE I'M A SERIAL LIKE UM WHAT IS IT CALLED LIKE WHEN YOU DELAY EVERYTHING LIKE UM

B: PROCRASTINATOR

A: YES THAT THAT IS WHAT I AM I'M A PROCRASTINATOR AND IT HAS ALWAYS WORKED FOR ME IN THE PAST BECAUSE LIKE STRESS HAS BEEN KIND OF HELPFUL IT JUST LIKE PUSHES ME FORWARD SO LIKE I I WORK YOU KNOW JUST A TINY TINY AMOUNTS FOR THE YOU KNOW FIRST THREE WEEKS AND THEN I'M LIKE BUSY FOR THE LAST WEEK AND UH NOW OBVIOUSLY I WAS UM YOU KNOW UH MOVING TO A DIFFERENT COUNTRY DURING THIS ANNUAL REVIEW AND OH MY GOD THIS THIS PROCRASTINATION SCHEDULE DID NOT WORK THIS TIME IT WAS SO HECTIC OOF IT WAS LIKE THE FIRST TIME I'VE ALMOST ALMOST ON UM UM LIKE UH WHAT IS IT CALLED LIKE UM LIKE AN ALL NIGHTER

B: ALL NIGHTER

A: <BREATH>

B: I'VE NEVER DONE ONE OF THEM I JUST DON'T THINK I I I LIKE I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND I GUESS 'CAUSE I'M LIKE THE OPPOSITE OF A PROCRASTINATOR LIKE WHEN I HAVE SOMETHING TO DO I WANNA DO IT STRAIGHT AWAY AND I I'VE I WAS SAYING THIS THE OTHER DAY TO MY PARTNER LIKE I FEEL LIKE ON MONDAY I'M REALLY REALLY PRODUCTIVE CAUSE I'LL HAVE A TO DO LIST AND IT'S LIKE MY BRAIN'S LIKE WE MUST DO EVERYTHING LIKE TODAY IT'S LIKE I GENERATE AND THEN I SORT OF TAIL OFF BUT IT MEANS THAT LIKE IF I'M LIKE WHERE IT TEND IT TENDED TO BE LIKE IF I WAS LIKE REVISING FOR AN EXAM I'D HAVE TO TRY AND LIKE KEEP UP THE MOMENTUM CAUSE I'D START REALLY EARLY BUT I'M OKAY I'M GONNA STOP REVISING NOW AND THEN LIKE YOU'RE REVISING FOR AGES AND THEN I JUST START START LOSING STEAM I DIDN'T DO THAT FOR THE EXAM WE HAD RECENTLY TO BE FAIR UM THAT WAS UH MORE OF A LAST MINUTE SCENARIO <LAUGH> BUT LIKE YEAH I'M TRYING TO LIKE YEAH I NOTICED THIS YESTERDAY THAT LIKE MONDAYS I KINDA SORT OF START THE DAY WITH THIS NOT LIKE A PANIC BUT I LIKE GAH OH MY GOD I HAVE SO MANY THINGS TO DO I'VE GOT TO GET THEM DONE AND LIKE MORE STUFF DOES COME OUT DURING THE WEEK TO ADD TO MY TO DO LIST BUT YEAH MONDAYS IT'S LIKE I KIND OF PANIC AND TRY AND DO WELL I'M LIKE I TRY AND DO EVERYTHING AND THEN I'M LIKE OH OKAY I ACTUALLY DIDN'T NEED TO LIKE MAKE YESTERDAY QUITE AS LIKE <DTMF> UM

A: IS THIS LIKE SPECIFIC TO LIKE THE PHD OR LIKE IN GENERAL OR

B: I THINK I WOULD I DON'T I REALLY HATE DOING THINGS LAST MINUTE LIKE I JUST GOT SO ANXIOUS AND STRESSED OUT I'M DEFINITELY LIKE SOMEONE WHO LIKES TO HAVE LIKE PLANS AND KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT AND STUFF SO LIKE I'VE ALWAYS BEEN SOMEONE WHO LIKE TRIES TO TO KIND OF LIKE START THINGS EARLY AND PACE THINGS UM YEAH I JUST DON'T LIKE THAT FEELING OF LIKE BEING UNDER PRESSURE AND NOT HAVING ENOUGH TIME UM

A: HOW ABOUT WE TALK ABOUT SOMETHING LESS LIKE STRESSFUL

B: <LAUGH>

A: AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT HOLIDAYS DO YOU HAVE ANY HOLIDAYS PLANNED

B: I'M GOING TO DISNEYLAND

A: OH MY GOD

B: I'M SO EXCITED I FREAKING LOVE DISNEYLAND

A: WHERE IN FRANCE

B: YEAH YEAH AND I'M SO EXCITED I WENT WITH MY THE SAME FRIEND I'M GOING WITH LIKE A FEW YEARS AGO WE JUST HAD THE BEST TIME AND WE WERE LIKE WE SHOULD JUST DEFINITELY JUST DO THIS AGAIN I THINK WE BOTH HAVE A SIMILAR APPROACH OF LIKE I DON'T KNOW WE'RE QUITE LIKE CYNICAL PEOPLE BUT THERE'S LIKE A SPECIAL PLACE IN OUR HEART FOR REALLY CHILDISH THINGS

A: MM

B: LIKE I'M LIKE VERY LIKE UH CAPITALISM UH THIS UH THAT AND THEN I'M JUST LIKE BUT DISNEY AND LIKE CHRISTMAS

B: <LAUGH>

B: LIKE I HATE VALENTINE'S DAY 'CAUSE I'M LIKE IT'S JUST THIS COMMERCIAL NIGHTMARE BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BUT THEN I'M LIKE BUT CHRISTMAS TIME I LOVE IT

A: <LAUGH>