A: I DON'T KNOW I HAVE THE FEELING THAT IF THEY TOLD ME I'VE NEVER UNDERSTOOD BUT AT LEAST MY OPINION THAT IS MY FEELING <LAUGH> BECAUSE I'M MORE MUNDANE <OVERLAP> I'M MORE A PERSON THAT KNOWS THIS KIND OF MUNDANE THINGS ABOUT YOU KNOW THIS

B: ANYWAY ONE THING IS FOR SURE ONE THING IS FOR SURE HE IS DOING THERE SOMETHING

A: MM HMM SEE OKAY THAT WAS NOT THE QUESTION THIS I KNOW LISTEN BUT YOU KNOW THAT I HAVE BEEN TO DUBLIN I'VE BEEN IN DUBLIN

B: I NEVER BEEN IN IRELAND

A: I'VE BEEN IN IRELAND YOU KNOW OKAY I'VE BEEN FOR SHORT TIME BUT UM IT WAS NICE I DID UH I THINK I SPENT THREE DAYS YOU KNOW WHERE I WAS IN BELFAST

B: UH BUT BELFAST IS NORTH IRELAND

A: NO BUT I ARRIVED TO DUBLIN IMAGINE

B: I SEE OKAY

A: I ARRIVED TO DUBLIN I SPENT ONE NIGHT IN A CHEAP HOST THAT THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY AND DUBLIN LOOKED TO ME KIND OF UH LITTLE SHABBY BUT IT WAS STILL THE CENTER WAS VERY TOURIST AND ET CETERA AND THEN I MET UH UH ANDREA MY FRIEND ANDREA WHO UH WHO COLLECTED ME AND BROUGHT ME TO TO BELFAST AND THEN I SPENT TWO DAYS OR SOMETHING AND UH AND I WENT AROUND AND I SAW ALL THE MORALES THAT WAS WOW THAT WAS MY GOODNESS WOW AND THEN WE WENT INTO A PLACE AND IT WAS FANTASTIC BECAUSE UM UH IT WAS A SORT OF PARTY BESIDE THE LAKE AND IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS LAKE THERE WAS A SORT OF ISLAND LITTLE ISLAND AND WE WENT THE THE THREE OF US WE TOOK A LITTLE BOAT LIKE WITH A WITH A THING WITH A AND WE WENT INTO THE AND TOGETHER THE THREE OF US AT SUNSET THAT WAS MAGICAL WE DID ALL THE WAY AROUND THE ISLAND AND WE CAME BACK WITH THIS THING AND IT WAS UH IT WAS MAGICAL AND THEN WE WALKED IN THE IN THE WOOD AND IT'S VERY TRUE THAT UH THE NATURE THERE IN ISLAND IS KIND OF UH DIFFERENT THAN OTHER PLACES YOU REALLY SEE THE FAIRIES AROUND THE TREES AROUND THE PLANTS IT'S MAGICAL IT'S UH IT'S GREAT BUT UH IT'S A PITY I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING ELSE I DIDN'T SEE THAT MUCH BUT IT WAS OKAY IT WAS ALREADY A LOT IT WAS ALREADY A LOT

B: I'D SAY A BUT ANYWAY IN ORDER TO SEE A COUNTRY IS NOT ABOUT THE CITY

A: NO

B: A CITY IS A CITY EVEN THOUGH IT PROBABLY VERY INTERESTING IT'S VERY INTERESTING UM AS FAR AS I KNOW I'VE NEVER BEEN THERE BUT UM THE COUNTRY ITSELF IS ALWAYS WHEN YOU GET OUT OF THE CITY <OVERLAP> IN ANY OTHER PLACES AND IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE AND IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE ALWAYS WHEN YOU GO TO PLACES FIRST BECAUSE IT'S HARD TO TRAVEL

A: YEAH

B: BECAUSE YOU NEED TIME YOU NEED MONEY YOU NEED A LOT OF UH THINGS IN ORDER TO AFFORD YOURSELF TO DISCOVER AND TO EXPLORE THESE PLACES AND UH

A: UH THIS IS WHY I LIKE IN A WAY UM TO TRAVEL WHEN THERE IS A PROJECT BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENED THAT IF YOU TRAVEL IN A HOLIDAY OKAY OKAY YOU HAVE A PLAN AND YOU MIGHT SAY OKAY WE WANT TO ARRIVE THERE AND WE WE TAKE A BUS OR WE TAKE A TRAIN AND WE GONNA VISIT DA DA DA DA BUT WHEN YOU GO FOR EXAMPLE LIKE UM LIKE WE DID FOR TO MAKE THE MOVIE OKAY YOU ARRIVE TO A PLACE AND THEN YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO BE BECAUSE UH YOU MIGHT MEET SOMEONE THAT IS TELLING YOU OR SHOWING YOU SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULDN'T NEVER KNOW IF YOU WERE NOT IN CONTACT WITH LOCALS YOU UNDERSTAND

B: YEAH YEAH ANYWAY OF COURSE WHEN YOU COME ON YOUR OWN YOU ARE YOU ARE LIKE A TOURIST

A: YEAH

B: THE TOURIST UH OF COURSE YOU CAN HAVE SURPRISES AND STUFF BUT YOU ARE STILL UH YOU ARE NOT CONNECTED YOU ARE NOT CONNECTED BECAUSE YOU ARE AN OUTSIDER

A: OKAY

B: AND IN ORDER TO EXPLORE MORE OR TO FIND THINGS THAT ARE NOT UH OBVIOUS OR UH KNOWN

A: MM HMM

B: UH YOU NEED ALWAYS A LOCAL PERSON THAT KNOWS SECRETS THAT KNOWS THE THINGS THAT NOBODY ELSE KNOWS

A: IT'S TRUE IT IS TRUE

B: UH AND IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S IMPORTANT OR NOT IMPORTANT STILL IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULDN'T HAVE KNOWN UNLESS YOU WOULD'VE LIVED THERE UNLESS UH

A: YEAH

B: SOMEBODY TELLS YOU OR YOU HAVE CONNECTIONS OR YOU'RE UH YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE WITH THE MATERIAL UH AND WHEN YOU COME FOR A SHORT TIME ANYWAY IT'S NOT ENOUGH

A: NO

B: IT'S NEVER ENOUGH

A: IN THE END OF THE DAY YOU NO THE THE MOST I THINK THE MOST UH THE LIKE THE PRICING THING ABOUT TRAVELING WITHOUT A REASON LIKE JUST TO VISIT PLACES IS THAT YOU END UP REALLY MOST OF THE TIME TO DO AND SEE THE SAME THINGS THAT EVERYBODY DOES BECAUSE UNLESS YOU STAY IN A PLACE FOR LONG TIME I DUNNO ONE MONTH OR TWO MONTHS OR SO UH YOU CAN GO BY THE F WITH THE FLOW UH YOU HAVE GENERALLY LITTLE TIME SO YOU GET FOR SOMETHING THAT IS ALREADY SET THAT IS ALREADY UM AVAILABLE YOU KNOW THE EASIEST AVAILABLE THING YOU GO SO YOU CHOOSE THE ROAD WHERE YOU SEE THE TOURIST IS GOING OR WHERE YOU SEE AN ATTRACTION

B: <NO-SPEECH> BUT I THINK THAT ANYWAY IT'S DIFFERENT FROM ONE PERSON TO ANOTHER BECAUSE THERE ARE MANY IT DEPENDS ON THE CHARACTER OF THE PERSON YOU'RE A PERSON THAT LIKES TO EXPLORE

A: MM

B: THAT LIKE TO DISCOVER THINGS THAT YOU DIDN'T KNOW OR UH ENCOUNTER SURPRISES OR MEET UH INTERESTING PEOPLE AND SURPRISES CULTURISTIC SURPRISES STORIES THAT YOU DIDN'T KNOW PLACES THAT UH YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THINGS THAT THEY EVER EXISTED

A: YEAH

B: AND THERE ARE MANY PEOPLES THAT THEY GO I'M NOT SPEAKING ABOUT TOURISM UH

A: YEAH

B: REGULAR TOURISM <DTMF> PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO PLACES AND THEY'RE QUITE HAPPY TO ENCOUNTER UH A PLACE THAT THEY NEVER BEEN TO

A: YEAH JUST TO FEEL <OVERLAP>

B: MANY PEOPLE MANY PEOPLE THAT THEY NEVER MET BEFORE STRANGERS

A: MM

B: AND FOR THEM IT'S FULFILLING ENOUGH IT'S FULFILLING ENOUGH AND THEY'RE HAPPY WITH THE FACT THAT UH THEY'RE NOT UH AND THEY DON'T HAVE THE URGE TO EXPLORE OR TO DIG INSIDE TO KNOW THINGS THAT NOBODY WOULD'VE KNOWN

A: YEAH

B: <OVERLAP> AND THEY'RE HAPPY

A: IF YOU ARE WITH A GROUP YOU ARE BOUND TO EVERY WHAT EVERYBODY WANTS TO DO SO YOU ARE SOMEHOW LIMITED

B: YEAH LISTEN I'M NOT A PERSON OF GROUP SO FOR ME I NEVER FACED A GROUP

A: EH BUT FOR EXAMPLE YOU ARE A MAN AS A MAN YOU CAN TRAVEL EASILY NOT NOT ALL THE TIME BUT AS A YOU KNOW ON YOUR OWN YOU CAN EXPLORE BUT FOR EXAMPLE IF I AM A IF I AM A WOMAN AND I WANT TO GO AROUND ON MY OWN AND EXPLORE YOU KNOW STRANGE NEIGHBORS AND STUFF

B: I I AGREE WITH YOU I AGREE WITH YOU AND UH I ALSO ALWAYS THINKING LIKE THIS

A: MM

B: I MEAN OF COURSE NOT ON A REGULAR BASIS BECAUSE I'M NOT A WOMAN I'M A MAN SO YOU DON'T THINK ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME BUT WHILE I WAS TRAVELING ALONG WHILE I WAS TRAVELING ALONG TO PLACES WITH THIS FIXED UH INFORMATION

A: YEAH

B: ALWAYS I WAS MEETING WOMEN'S THAT ARE TRAVELING ALONE

A: AH

B: THAT ARE TRAVELING ALONE

A: REALLY

B: OF COURSE IT'S NOT IT'S YES YES FROM DIFFERENT COUNTRIES THE THEIR CHARACTER <OVERLAP> HAS TO BE

A: LIKE ME

B: THEY LIKE TO BE ALONE AND DO THEIR THINGS ALONE

A: AH LIKE ME OH THIS IS

B: YES LIKE YOU OF COURSE EVERYBODY'S ATTRACTED TO DIFFERENT THINGS OR DIFFERENT

A: YEAH OF COURSE

B: AND THEY DON'T GO AND THEY DON'T GO BECAUSE OF A PROJECT OR BECAUSE OF SOMETHING

A: NO

B: SPECIFIC IT'S BECAUSE YOU HAVE UH WOMEN THAT ARE ADVENTURISTIC THAT HAVE ADVENTUROUS ADVENTUROUS CHARACTER

A: WOW

B: AND LIKE THEY CAN BE MORE ADVENTUROU MORE ADVENTUROUS THAN ME

A: FOR SURE <LAUGH>

B: YEAH I'M NOT AN ADVE I'M NOT AN ADVENTURER BUT ARE WOMEN THAT YOU KNOW LIKE LIKE IT HAPPENED TO ME IN THE UNITED STATES

A: YEAH

B: IN MANY PLACES

A: YEAH <OVERLAP>

B: YOU MET YOU MET TRAVELERS WOMEN THAT ARRIVED FROM DIFFERENT COUNTRIES I DON'T KNOW MAYBE AUSTRALIA MAYBE ENGLAND MAYBE PARTS OF EUROPE THAT WERE ALONE FOR MONTHS THAT ARE TRAVELING ON THEIR OWN TO PLACES AND

A: WOW

B: EXPLORING AND LOOKING AND CHECKING AND

A: I WOULD LIKE SO MUCH DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT I DID <OVERLAP>

B: OF COURSE LISTEN OF COURSE NO LISTEN OF COURSE

A: BUT I DID IT ALSO WHEN WE MET I WAS TRAVELING ALONE OKAY THERE WAS A PROJECT

B: OF COURSE OF COURSE IT'S A IT'S A IT'S A OF COURSE WHEN YOU GO TO PLACES THAT ARE NOT UH EXACTLY FRIENDLY I'M NOT SAYING FRIENDLY BUT SAFE

A: TRUE