A: NOW NOW THAT <DTMF> I SHOULD HAVE AND YOU KNOW WHEN YOU SEE SIGNS OF A PERS THIS PERSON I REMEMBER EVEN IN THE BEGINNING THE FACT THAT EVERY TIME I MEAN PEOPLE THAT IN CONVERSATIONS PEOPLE THAT YOU THAT YOU KNOW KEEPS YOU ON THE PHONE FOR ONE HOUR NOT KNOWING YOU LIKE AS A FIRST CONTACT OKAY YOU ARE ON THE PHONE YOU TALK WITH SOMEONE AND THIS PERSON IS NOT ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A SIZE A PROPER SIZE FOR A CONVERSATION WHATEVER IT IS SOMEONE THAT IS DRAGGING YOU IN ONE HOUR CONVERSATION TELLING YOU ABOUT LIFE AND MIRACLES OF EVERYTHING AND YOU'D AND HE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW YOU HE'S NOT HE IS YOUR FRIEND AND YOU HAVE THE PLEASURE YOU KNOW YOU ARE LIKE HE'S ALREADY SOMETHING PROBLEMATIC AND THEN YOU KNOW I IT WAS PROVING MORE AND MORE THAT THAT HE WAS SOMEONE THAT WAS THAT WAS NOT YOU KNOW STABLE SO I I AM I MYSELF I'M NOT A A STABLE PERSON OR LIKE A RATIONAL PARTICULARLY COLD BLOODED PERSON AND IF I'M SURROUNDED BY PEOPLE

B: OKAY BUT YOU'RE ALSO PRACTICAL

A: THAT THE FIERY PEOPLE LIKE THIS IS THE END OF THE THE STORY REALLY

B: NO LET'S SAY LET'S SAY THAT HE WAS LET'S SAY THAT HE WAS TALKING FOR HOURS AND MAKING NO CONVERSATION BUT ON THE OTHER HAND HE WAS DOING A PROPER JOB AND EVERYTHING WAS YOU KNOW BY THE BOOK

A: MM HMM

B: EVERYTHING WAS BY THE BOOK SO YOU PROBABLY WOULD SAY TO YOURSELF WELL THIS PERSON IS TALKATIVE I MEAN

A: YEAH BUT SOMEONE WHO TALKS A LOT IS COVERING SOMETHING LOOK AT THE FIRST LOOK AT THE FIRST WORKER WHO CAME COMPARED TO THE SECOND ONE THE FIRST WORKER STARTED TO TELL AH WE DO WE DO WE DO WE WE WE THE OTHER ONE DIDN'T SAY A WORD HE STARTED TO TAKE NOTES ON HIS HIS HIS

B: BUT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THE PROBLEM IS NOT I THE PROBLEM IS WE THE PROBLEM IS <LAUGH>

A: ALSO ALSO <LAUGH> FOR SHOW YOU NEED TO SHOW

B: THE PROBLEM IS NOT I THE PROBLEM IS THE WE YOU HAVE TO LOCATE THE WE'S AND ISOLATE THEM

A: <LAUGH> YEAH AND PUT THEM ON THE SIDE

B: THEY ARE THE PROBLEM THE WE WHEREVER THERE ARE THERE IS PLURAL WHEREVER THERE IS PLURAL YOU MIGHT SENSE THAT THERE IS A PROBLEM

A: OF COURSE OF COURSE

B: BUT I WANTED TO SAY BUT I WANTED

A: YEAH

B: TO SPEAK ABOUT THE OTHER THING THAT IS NOT CONNECTED TO THAT ONE

A: AH YES LET'S TALK ABOUT THE OTHER THING <LAUGH>

B: THE OTHER THINGS IS THAT I THINK IT'S A WORLD IT'S A WORLDWIDE PROBLEM I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S JUST IN ONE SPOT OR SPECIFIC PLACE I THINK IT CAN BE EVERYWHERE IN EVERY PLACE IN EVERY CULTURE IN EVERY TYPE OF UH WHERE THERE ARE HUMAN BEINGS IT'S ABOUT BECAUSE OF THE NEW TECHNOLOGIES IN THE PAST WHAT DID WE HAVE TELEPHONE UH FACSIMILIA UH I DON'T KNOW UH MOSTLY IT ENDED THERE OH OKAY THERE WAS THE INTERNET PEOPLE WERE SENDING MAILS PERFECT THEN ARRIVED THE CELLULARS IT BECAME A LITTLE MORE MORE OBSESSIVE

A: <LAUGH>

B: BUT EVEN THE CELLULAR IS AN OLD THING IT'S AN OLD TECHNOLOGY ALREADY SO LATER ON IT BECAME UH UH THIS AND FACEBOOK

A: OF COURSE <OVERLAP>

B: AND THIS AND THAT AND THIS AND THEN APPLICATIONS AND THEN TWENTY FOUR SEVEN FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE I MYSELF AM NOT A PERSON THAT IS UH ON ONLY NOW I STARTED USING IT A LITTLE MORE BUT NOT ON A FREQUENT BASIS I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST TECHNOLOGY

A: NO BUT YOU DON'T USE IT BECAUSE HALF OF THE TIME YOU ARE IN THE COMPUTER BECAUSE IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE A COMPUTER

B: NO BUT WHEN I GO OUT STILL BUT WHEN I GO OUT

A: YOU STARTED ALSO OUTSIDE IF YOU NOTICE YOU TAKE IT

B: STILL BECAUSE OF COURSE THIS TECHNOLOGY IT MIGHT BE ADDICTIVE

A: YEAH

B: AND FOR MANY YEARS I SAID I PREFER NOT TO HAVE IT SO I WILL NOT BE ADDICTED TO IT

A: YEAH

B: IT'S NOT BECAUSE I'M AGAINST THIS TECHNOLOGY IT'S BECAUSE I KNOW THE PRICE OF THIS TECHNOLOGY

A: MAMMA MIA

B: AND UH BUT BUT MOSTLY I STILL THINK THAT PEOPLE EVEN WITH THIS TECHNOLOGY THAT I MIGHT USE ALSO AND I NEED IT FROM TIME TO TIME IT'S LIKE THEY'RE NOT AWARE BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS SO INTENSE AND THEY NEED IT NOW IT'S LIKE IF THEY CONNECT YOU AND YOU'RE NOT AVAILABLE IT'S LIKE FOR THEM IT'S IMPOSSIBLE IT'S IMPOSSIBLE THAT THERE IS A SITUATION LIKE THIS HOW CAN SOMEBODY BE NOT REACHABLE SO IT MEANS THAT IF HE IS NOT ANSWERING ME IT'S NOT BECAUSE HE DOESN'T WANT TO ANSWER ME OR HE CANNOT ANSWER ME OR BECAU IT'S JUST BECAUSE HE DIDN'T HEAR ME PROBABLY

A: <LAUGH>

B: SO THEY KEEP ON CALLING YOU AGAIN AND AGAIN AND IF THEY WRITE YOU SOMETHING AND YOU DIDN'T ANSWER THEM IMMEDIATELY QUESTIONS MARK AND QUESTIONS MARK AND WHY YOU ARE NOT ANSWERING ME

A: BUT THE QUESTION MARK IS UNBEARABLE

B: AND SUDDENLY THEY GET INTO UH SORT OF UH THEY FEEL THE THEY FEEL UH AT THE

A: THEY FEEL KIND OF LIKE UH MM

B: GETTING INTO DEFENSE MODE

A: YEAH IN A DEFENSE MODE WOW THIS IS TERRIBLE

B: AND UH AND IT'S CONNECTED TO THE OTHER THING IT'S IMMEDIATELY THIS DEFENSE MODE HE DOESN'T LIKE ME I'M NOT IMPORTANT ENOUGH WHY HE'S NOT ANSWERING ME

A: WHAT DOES HE WANT TO SAY WITH HIS SILENCE

B: A LOT OF UH A LOT OF UH PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE UH THINGS

A: OH MY GOD AND YOU

B: <OVERLAP>

A: YOU THAT YOU YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE COMPLETELY UNRESPONSIBLE FOR WEEKS IF YOU WERE OF THIS CA MAYBE THAT'S WHY THEY DON'T TELL YOU

B: YES BUT I DON'T CALL THEM LISTEN

A: BECAUSE OF MISUSING

B: BUT THE FUNNY THING IS BUT THE FUNNY THING

A: BUT I <OVERLAP>

B: YES BUT THE FUNNY THING IS NOT THAT I CALL THEM AGAIN AND AGAIN I WRITE ONE TIME AND JUST WAIT BUT I WAIT AND WAIT AND WAIT AND THEN THEY RETURN AFTER TWO MONTHS THIS IS THE PROBLEM

A: ABSOLUTELY I IS MUCH BETTER NOT TO RETURN AT ALL YOU KNOW OR IF YOU REALLY COME BACK AFTER TWO MONTHS MAYBE BECAUSE IT WAS A CASUAL CONVERSATION AND YOU DIDN'T NOTICE BUT IS IF IT IS A RELATIONSHIP THAT IS A WORK RELATIONSHIP OR SOMETHING THAT IS GOING ON THERE AND IT NEEDS TO BE CLOSED

B: AND I SAY TO THE PERSON

A: YOU CAN

B: AND I SAY IT AS A PERSON THAT I SAY IT AS A PERSON THAT ALWAYS DELAY SOMETHING

A: I KNOW

B: ALWAYS DELAY BUT I WILL NEVER RETURN TO A PERSON AFTER A MONTH OKAY IT CAN HAPPEN ONE DAY OR TWO IT'S OKAY IT'S OKAY I'M NOT

A: IT CAN HAPPEN <DTMF> IT'S REALLY SOMEONE CONTACTING FOR SOMETHING THAT YOU UNDERSTAND IS JUST UH CASUAL CONTACT

B: NOT A PRIORITY

A: LIKE HEY HOW ARE YOU AND YOU ARE MAYBE YOU ARE VERY BUSY AND YOU SAY LISTEN I WILL ANSWER UH THEM LATER AND THEN YOU KNOW <OVERLAP>

B: YES OF COURSE THESE ARE THESE ARE THESE ARE THESE ARE PRIO THESE ARE PRIORITY OF COURSE

A: PRIORITIZING YEAH YEAH

B: THESE ARE PRIORITIES OF COURSE SOMEBODY WANTS TO JUST TO HAVE A SMALL TALK WHERE THIS CAN BE AT ANY TIME

A: EXACTLY

B: <OVERLAP>

A: BUT IF YOU HAVE AN OPEN CONVERSATION AND YOU'RE ASKING FOR AND YOU'RE WAITING FOR AN ANSWER <LAUGH>

B: AND ALSO SMALL TALK AND ALSO I LIKE SMALL TALKS

A: WE KNOW

B: BUT EVEN SMALL TALKS I MEAN OKAY LET SAY I HAD A SMALL TALK BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE OBSESSIVE

A: WHAT DO YOU MEAN

B: LIKE IN FOR EVERY LITTLE THING THEY CAN CONTACT YOU

A: UH OKAY

B: AND THEN I SAID HELLO JUST A SECOND I'M NOT I'M NOT A SLAVE TO THIS TECHNOLOGY I DON'T WANT TO BE ON THE PHONE ALL THE TIME I DON'T WANT TO BE CALLED EVERY FIVE MINUTES

A: BUT LISTEN AT THE SAME TIME I I'M STARTING TO BECOMING CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT YOUR FRIEND HAS TO SAY ABOUT THIS UH

B: I READ THIS IS WHY HE IS CALLING

A: OH MY GOD WHY DON'T YOU TELL ME YOU CAN KEEP IT VAGUE YOU KNOW BUT YOU HAVE TO TELL ME ABOUT THIS UH

B: LISTEN I WAS WORKING FOR THE

A: DAY

B: INTELLIGENCE AND EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT OBTAINING UH INFORMATION

A: YEAH

B: IS A WEA IS A WEAPON

A: WELL WHAT DO YOU OKAY YOU WANT TO YOU WANT ME TO BUY THE INFORMATION

B: NO I'M JUST BUILDING I'M JUST BUILDING A DRAMA BECAUSE WHEN I'LL GET TO THE REAL STORY THERE WILL BE NOTHING IMPORTANT

A: OH NO

B: UH NO THEY MET OH WOW YOU WERE WAITING FOR A LOVE STORY HERE

A: NO NO NO I WAS JUST

B: UH OKAY

A: <OVERLAP> SOMETHING JUICY SOMETHING YOU KNOW

B: NO NO HEY LISTEN IT'S ALL UH MY FRIEND C UH CAN BE FUNNY JUICY WAS NEVER BUT UH BUT UH

A: <LAUGH>

B: BUT UH LET'S PUT THE THINGS ON THE TABLE UH I MEAN WITHOUT UH HIDING BUT

A: <LAUGH>

A: THEY MET

A: OH WOW WHERE