A: BLIND MATT OR WILDMUTT

B: OH IT'S BLIND MATT <LAUGH>

A: I I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BLIND MATT HMM AH WILDMUTT

B: WILDMUTT M U T T YES

A: YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH WILDMUTT

B: SO I I HIM BEING BLIND I THINK MADE HIM SO INTERESTING AND HE USED TO BE ANIMALISTIC

A: MM HMM

B: HE COULDN'T TALK LIKE THE OTHER ALIENS

A: YOU LIKED WILDMUTT JEEZ

B: SO I THINK THAT'S WHY I LIKED HIM YEAH YEAH

A: UH OKAY

B: I THINK HE WAS JUST INTERESTING BECAUSE HE WAS BLIND BUT ONCE CANNONBOLT JOINED THE TEAM

A: MM HMM

B: YAY CANNONBOLT WAS WAS MY FAVORITE

A: <DTMF> SUCH CANNONBOLT

B: CANNONBOLT

A: OH MY GOD

B: I THINK HE'S THE ONE WHO CAME IN AFTER AFTER THE GHOST ONE LEFT

A: I DIDN'T EVEN REALIZE THE GHOST ONE LEFT YOU KNOW THE ONLY CHARACTER I REMEMBER WAS HUMUNGOUSAUR HUMUNGOUSAUR

B: HUMUNGOUSAUR <LAUGH>

A: OKAY CANNONBOLTS OH HE WAS OKAY OKAY YEAH

B: UM BUT I I THINK EVEN IF I DIDN'T LIKE HIM GHOSTFREAK WOULD TAKE THE LIST AS THE MOST INTERESTING OF THE ALIENS HE USED TO WHISPER IN A SCARY WAY HE USED TO HAVE UNIQUE ABILITIES LIKE MOVING HIS EYES AROUND BECAUSE HE CAN'T TURN HIS NECK

A: MM HMM

B: HIS EYES MOVE AROUND A CERTAIN PART IN HIS BODY

A: MM HMM

B: HE MOVES THROUGH WALLS AND HE ALSO HAS LIKE MULTIPLE PERSONALITIES WITHIN HIM LIKE IT WASN'T ALWAYS BEN IN CONTROL THERE WAS ANO

A: UM I'M LOOKING FOR GHOSTFREAK

B: THERE WAS ANOTHER

A: LIKE GHOSTFREAK

B: YES

A: HMM AH GHOSTFREAK UH WELL MUCH BETTER GOD I DON'T KNOW WHY I CAN'T REMEMBER THIS CHARACTER ANYWAY

B: I MEAN WE IT WAS A IT WAS A WHILE BACK <LAUGH>

A: I KNOW <LAUGH> OKAY SO THAT'S IT FOR YOU ANYTHING ELSE WAIT IT KIND OF FELT BORING AT TIMES YOU KNOW SAME STORYLINE SAME CHARACTERS IT BECAME BORING ESPECIALLY WHEN BEN TEN WAS GROWING UP I THINK THERE WAS A TIME HE BECAME A TEENAGER

B: YEAH

A: <LAUGH> YEAH

B: YEAH I THINK THERE ARE ONLY A FEW SHOWS CARTOONS LIKE THAT WE GREW UP WITH

A: HMM

B: THAT DIDN'T HAVE THAT THAT HAD A A STORY THAT IT WAS TRYING TO FOLLOW THE WAY MODERN TV SERIES DO

A: MM HMM

B: UH LIKE AVATAR THE LAST AIRBENDER I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY ONE I CAN THINK OF

A: AVATAR

B: YES THAT HAD ONLY A FEW EPISODES THAT WERE KIND WERE IRRELEVANT AND WERE JUST EXTRAS

A: MM HMM

B: BUT IT WAS ACTUALLY TRYING TO FOLLOW A CERTAIN STORY IT DEVELOPS CHARACTERS IT TRIES TO MAKE AANG REACH A CERTAIN DESTINATION BY THE END OF THE SEASON AND THE CHALLENGES HE MEETS ON THE WAY IT'S THE ONLY THE OTHERS USED TO BE MORE REPETITIVE EVEN BEN TEN

A: MM HMM

B: LIKE WHEN HE WAS A TEENAGER IT HAD EPISODES WHERE YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHERE THE STORY IS GOING

A: MM HMM

B: YES THEY HAVE A BIG EVIL BUT THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE A PLAN OF FACING IT THEY'RE JUST WAITING FOR THE ENEMY TO MAKE A MOVE THEN THEY DO SOMETHING

A: SURE DO YOU REMEMBER CHOWDER

B: YES I REMEMBER CHOWDER SOMETIMES LIKE I FIND IT WAS SO NEW TO ME THE YOU REMEMBER THE TEXT CHATTING THEY HAD ON THEIR CLOTHES

A: NO

B: LIKE WHEN THEY MOVE THEIR CLOTHES DON'T EXACTLY MOVE WITH THEIR WITH THEIR BODIES THEY MOVE INDEPENDENTLY LIKE VINYL

A: I MEAN OKAY WHO WOULD NOTICE SUCH A THING APART FROM DWIGHT

B: A CHILD WHO HAS NEVER SEEN SUCH <LAUGH>

A: <LAUGH> OKAY A CHILD WHO HAS NEVER SEEN

B: A CHILD WHO HAS NEVER SEEN VINYLS

A: AH

B: THEY'RE CALLED VINYL THE ONES WITH THAT EFFECT

A: VINYLS <LAUGH>

B: LIKE IF YOU LOOK AT IT FROM A DIFFERENT ANGLE IT CHANGES ITS MOVEMENT <NO-SPEECH>

A: OKAY I NEVER NOTICED <LAUGH> OKAY THAT'S AN INTERESTING FACT OKAY OKAY OKAY DO YOU REMEMBER KIDS NEXT DOOR

B: YES COOL KIDS NEXT DOOR WAS GREAT I DIDN'T NECESSARILY FOLLOW THE STORYLINE <FOREIGN> TO UNDERSTAND WHERE KIDS COME FROM AND WHERE ADULTS COME FROM

A: MM HMM

B: BUT I LIKED THE WHOLE UH KIDS NEXT DOOR MOSQUITO MODIFIED <DTMF> BLAH BLAH BLAH LIKE EACH WORD

A: MM HMM

B: EACH SHIP OR WEAPON THEY HAD HAD A NAME

A: MM HMM

B: AND SOMETIMES WE'LL BE THE SHOW WOULD BE INTERRUPTED AND THEN WE'RE TOLD THAT YOU SEE THAT NAME LIKE THERE'S THERE'S MOSQUITO WHICH WAS A GIANT MOSQUITO THEY MADE

A: MM HMM

B: IT IT WAS AN ABBREVIATION

A: OH

B: ALL THEIR CODE NAMES WERE ABBREVIATIONS FOR THEIR

A: NO

B: WORK FORMS STATIONS LIKE KIDS NEXT DOOR MOONBASE MOONBASE EACH LETTER MEANT SOMETHING IT WAS AN ABBREVIATION FOR SOMTEHING

A: EH OKAY

B: AND THE FACT THAT THE MANY THINGS THAT KIDS STRUGGLE WITH ARE ALL OF THE THINGS THAT US AS KIDS MIGHT NOTICE THEY'RE ALL CONSPIRACIES THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT ADULTS ARE USING AGAINST KIDS

A: UH HUH

B: LIKE THERE WAS AN EPISODE WHERE NUMBER ONE WAS MAKING A PRESENTATION EXPLAINING HOW LIGHT BULBS THESE FLUORESCENT LIGHT TUBES THESE WHITE ONES THAT MAKE THE BUZZING SOUND

A: UH HUH

B: THAT AS THEY'RE MAKING THE BUZZING SOUND IT'S SLOWLY BRAINWASHING KIDS SO THAT THEY FOLLOW ADULTS AND DON'T REBEL

A: <LAUGH>

B: AND YOU KNOW AS A AS A CHILD YOU'LL IF YOU MET A FLUORESCENT TUBE YOU'LL HEAR THE BUZZING AND IT IT'S KIND OF DEPRESSING BECAUSE YOU MOSTLY SEE IT IN SCHOOLS AND HOSPITALS

A: MM HMM YEAH IT'S TRUE

B: SO IMAGINE TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION THAT THIS THING BRAINWASHES US SO THAT WE BECOME SUBMISSIVE IT'S EASY FOR A KID TO BE AMUSED BY THAT OR AT LEAST ME AS A KID

A: YEAH IT'S WELL NO OH GOD DWIGHT <LAUGH> I NEVER NOTICED ALL THOSE THINGS IN KIDS NEXT DOOR I THINK I WAS JUST WATCHING THE SHOW FOR THE FINAL WEEK YOU KNOW TO PASS PASS TIME

B: YEAH

A: WHAT OKAY SO I THINK THAT'S THAT WHEN DID YOU STOP WATCHING

B: BOOKS <NO-SPEECH>

A: BOOKS YOU WANT US TO TALK ABOUT BOOKS

B: NO BOOKS ARE KIND OF BORING ESPECIALLY IN TERMS OF MY CHILDHOOD BUT YEAH IF YOU HAVE A BOOK IN MIND

A: NO NO DWIGHT LET'S JUST TAKE BACK THE CONVERSATION CONVERSATION TO A DIFFERENT TOPIC <LAUGH> OKAY SO WHEN WHEN DID YOU STOP WATCHING CARTOON NETWORK OR CARTOONS

B: I'D SAY UH AROUND THE TIME WHEN I WAS FIFTEEN BECAUSE CARTOONS HAD CHANGED LIKE THE ORIGINAL CARTOON NETWORK UH LINEUP MOST OF THEM HAD EITHER REACHED THEIR CONCLUSIONS

A: MM HMM

B: OR THEY WERE INTRODUCING NEW SHOWS

A: MM HMM

B: ABOUT THE TIME WHEN YOU ARE GETTING THINGS LIKE CAMP LAZLO

A: HMM CAMP LAZLO GOD

B: UH CAMP LAZLO WERE LIKE ONE OF THE LAST ORIGINALS THAT I REMEMBER THAT CARTOON NETWORK MADE

A: OH MY GOD

B: SO

A: MM HMM

B: SO UH YEAH BY THE TIME WE GET TO

A: AND COW AND CHICKEN

B: YEAH COW AND CHICKEN MAMA HAD A COW HUH

A: MAMA HAD A CHICKEN THAT WAS THAT WE DIDN'T GET <NO-SPEECH>

A: <NO-SPEECH> IN MY HOUSE

A: I LOVED COW AND CHICKEN <LAUGH>

A: AND THE WAY THEY DID LIKE

B: AND THEN IT WAS

A: THEY DIDN'T SHOW US LIKE THE FACES OF THE PARENT JUST THE FEET

B: YES WE <NO-SPEECH> AND EVEN WHEN THEY TALKED TO THE KIDS AND ATE THEY MOVED WITH THEIR FEET IT'S ALMOST AS THOUGH THEY NEVER HAD ARMS

A: <LAUGH> OH THAT WAS INTERESTING OKAY OKAY

B: YEAH THE THE THE DESIGN OF THE PARENTS IN COW AND CHICKEN REMINDED OF THE LIKE IT MADE ME THINK OF THE DESIGN OF THE VILLAIN IN KIDS NEXT DOOR THE FATHER

A: KIDS NEXT DOOR

B: HE WAS THE HE WAS THE GUARDIAN FOR THE DELIGHTFUL KID FROM DOWN THE LANE YOU KNOW THOSE

A: MM HMM

B: THERE WAS THIS PAIR OF KIDS THAT USED TO BE TOGETHER ALL THE TIME EVEN WHEN THEY WALK IN KIDS NEXT DOOR THEIR FATHER USED TO BE BLACK HE NEVER HAD A FACE HE NEVER HAD SKIN HE WAS JUST BLACK THROUGH AND THROUGH AND HIS EYES WERE FLAMING AND THE THE CREATOR UH OF KIDS NEXT DOOR THE WRITER

A: MM HMM

B: HE SAID THAT HE DESIGNED THE FATHER FROM HOW HE IMAGINED KIDS PERCEIVE UH CERTAIN FATHER FIGURES I THINK IT'S ALSO FROM HIS OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH HIS FATHER THAT KIDS FEAR THEIR FATHERS

A: YES

B: THEY DON'T EVEN SEE THEM AS A PERSON THEY BARELY SEE THEM AS A HUMAN

A: WOW

B: THEY'RE HUMANOID AND THEY'RE SCARY AND WHEN THEY GET ANGRY THEY'RE FLAMING AND DESTRUCTIVE SO THAT'S WHY THE FATHER WAS DESIGNED LIKE THAT AND HIS NAME IS THE FATHER <NO-SPEECH>

A: OKAY SO WHEN DID YOU COME UP WHEN DID YOU COME UH TO THAT CONCLUSION RIGHT NOW OR WHEN YOU WERE FIFTEEN FOURTEEN YEARS OLD