B: SHOULD HE HELP THE FRENCH RESISTANCE OR SHOULD HE REMAIN NEUTRAL AND LET THE GERMANS AND THE VICHY FRENCH THEY'RE FRENCH THAT SIDED WITH THE GERMANS HELP THEM IN THE INVESTIGATION SO YOU HAD TO CHOOSE EITHER BE THE GOOD GUY

A: DID YOU CALL THEM VICHY FRENCH

B: YEAH VICHY VICHY FRANCE VICHY FRANCE

A: VICHY FRANCE

B: YEAH IT'S THE GOVERNMENT THAT FORMED AFTER FRAN FRANCE AND GERMANY SIGNED AN ARMISTICE THE PEACE TREATY OF FRANCE

A: OH OOH

B: AN END OF HOSTILITIES

A: OOH

B: GERMANY GERMANY DID NOT HAVE THE DID NOT SEE THE THE THE BENEFIT OF CONQUERING ALL OF FRANCE THEY COULD THEY HAD THE ADVANTAGE THEY COULD BEAT FRANCE BUT THE PROBLEM IS FRANCE HAD COLONIES COLONIES THAT HAD RAW MATERIALS IF THEY DID FIGHT FRANCE AND TAKE THE ENTIRE LANDMASS OF LANDMASS OF FRANCE THEN THE FRENCH MANY FRENCH OFFICIALS SOLDIERS AND PEOPLE WOULD JUST ESCAPED TO ALGERIA AND OTHER FRENCH COLONIES

A: MM HMM

B: AND WAGE WAR FROM AFAR

A: MM HMM

B: SO GERMANY DIDN'T WANT TO FIGHT PEOPLE WHO ARE AMASSING STRENGTH FROM DISTANT COLONIES BECAUSE GERMANY DID NOT HAVE A LOT OF SHIPS SO THEY COULDN'T GO AND ATTACK THEM SO THEY'LL BUILD THEIR STRENGTH LET'S SAY GERMAN TAKES OVER ALL OF FRANCE IT WILL JUST MEAN THAT AFTER TEN YEARS THE FRENCH WILL COME BACK WITH SHIPS WEAPONS AND ARMIES AND INVADE AND BEAT THEM SO GERMANY SAW IT MIGHT IT WILL BE BETTER TO ALLOW FRENCH TO HAVE SOME INDEPENDENCE BUT TO MAKE SURE THE GOVERNMENT SIDES WITH THEM SO THAT WAS THE INCENTIVE OF GERMANY TO SIGN A PIECE LIKE TREATY

A: TREATY

B: WITH FRANCE UH AND FRANCE WANTED TO SIGN A PEACE TREATY BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT TO CONTINUE FIGHTING THEY WERE LOSING THAT EVEN IF THEY COULD CONTINUE THIS FIGHT FROM AFAR

A: MM HMM

B: THEY'LL STILL LOSE TOO MUCH LAND AND TOO MANY PEOPLE DIE

A: MM HMM IT WASN'T WORTH IT

B: SO THEY THOUGHT THAT THEY YEAH IT WASN'T WORTH CONTINUING TO RESIST SO THEY SIGNED IT

A: MM HMM

B: AND THE GOVERNMENT THAT WAS FORMED FORMED WAS CALLED THE VICHY FRANCE OR VICHY

A: ARE YOU LOOKING FOR THE EXACT NAME

B: YEAH VICHY VICHY VICHY FRANCE SO THEY HAD TO S TO CEDE A HUGE LANDMASS TO UH GERMAN BUT THEY'LL GET SOME BACK SO WHEN THAT HAPPENED SOME FRENCH PEOPLE REFUSED TO AGREE WITH WHAT THE GOVERNMENT HAD CHOSEN TO DO SO THEY WERE CALLED THE FREE FRENCH

A: MM HMM

B: THEN THEY DON'T FOLLOW THE VICHY FRANCE GOVERNMENT THEY'RE STILL FIGHTING THEY'RE STILL FRENCH PEOPLE MOST OF THEM WERE STATIONED IN COLONIES LIKE THEY RAN AWAY TO THE COLONIES SO THEY'D WAGE WAR FROM AFAR SO VICHY FRANCE FO FOUND ITSELF FIGHTING ITS OWN PEOPLE SO VICHY FRANCE AND THE FREE FRENCH USED TO FIGHT EACH OTHER

A: THAT'S CRAZY

B: SO UH CASABLANCA IS SET IN MOROCCO WHICH USED TO BE A FRENCH COLONY

A: MM HMM

B: BUT IT'S UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE VICHY FRANCE VICHY FRENCH BUT MANY OF THE FRENCH PEOPLE

A: MM HMM

B: HAVE THEIR SENTIMENTS AND THEIR DESIRE TO FIGHT STILL EXISTS SO THEY WANT TO JOIN THE UNDERGROUND FRENCH RESISTANCE MOVEMENT SO NOW

A: SO THIS CHARACTER FINALLY WHAT DID HE DECIDE

B: NO THAT THAT WILL BE SPOILERS BUT YOU SEE HE'S INDECISIVE

A: AW <LAUGH>

B: HE WANTS TO LIVE HIS LIFE HE WANTS TO BE CHILL WHATEVER THE GOVERNMENT CHOOSES <DTMF> HE DOESN'T CARE FOR ANY MAN AND NO MAN CARES FOR HIM KIND OF SO HE WANTS TO BE NEUTRAL SO THAT HE LIVES A COMFORTABLE LIFE IN MOROCCO HE RUNS A A A CLUB I THINK SO BUT MANY PEOPLE COME LOOKING FOR HELP LOOKING FOR PASSAGE AND SINCE HE'S INFLUENTIAL HE CAN KIND OF HELP THEM SO HE'S INDECISIVE WHETHER TO HELP THESE PEOPLE OR NOT AND THEN THIS WOMAN HE USED TO LOVE SHOWS UP AND SHE NEEDS HELP SO NOW HE'S INDECISIVE SHOULD I HELP THIS WOMAN OR SHOULD I REMAIN NEUTRAL AND BECAUSE IT WAS R RELEASED IN NINETEEN FORTY TWO

A: MM HMM

B: IT THAT MAIN CHARACTER HE'S AMERICAN MOST OF THE OTHER CHARACTERS ARE FRENCH OR GERMAN

A: MM HMM

B: HE IS AMERICAN SHE IS FRENCH HIS INDECISIVENESS WAS A REPRESENTATION OF AMERICA ITSELF AMERICA HAD NOT JOINED THE WAR

A: UH HUH

B: SO IT HAD NOT SIDED WITH FRANCE

A: UH HUH

B: AND IT HAD NOT LIKE DROPPED TROOPS IT WASN'T UNTIL LIKE THE NINETEEN FORTY THREE WHEN WHEN AMERICA FULLY GOT INVOLVED IN THE EUROPEAN

A: NINETEEN FORTY

B: NINETEEN FORTY THREE THAT'S WHEN THEY DECIDED TO DEPLOY TROOPS IN EUROPE THEY HAD JOINED IN NINETEEN FORTY TWO TO FIGHT IN NORTH AFRICA

A: MM HMM MM HMM

B: BUT NOT IN INLAND EUROPE

A: YEAH I ACTUALLY UM I'VE SEEN IT HERE WITH THE US FIGHTING VICHY FRANCE YEAH STARTED

B: MM HMM

A: NOVEMBER EIGHTH NINETEEN

A: DWIGHT DO YOU COPY

B: ROGER

A: <LAUGH> OKAY YOU WERE SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT CASABLANCA

B: YES THE MAIN

A: HOW THE AMERICANS

B: YES THE MAIN CHARACTER RICH UH IS SUPPOSED TO BE REPRESENTING AMERICA'S IN DECISIVENESS TO JOIN THE WAR THE SAME WAY RICK AS A CHARACTER WAS INDECISIVE ON WHETHER TO HELP THEM OR TO JUST THINK ABOUT THEM HIMSELF AND WHAT'S BEST FOR HIM SO

A: MM HMM

B: THE SHOW FIT THE TIME SO PEOPLE WOULD PEOPLE WHO WERE WATCHING IT UH IN EUROPE WOULD FEEL LI OKAY THE TARGET AUDIENCE WAS AMERICANS THE AMERICANS WOULD FEEL IT THEY WILL UNDERSTAND WHY RICK DOES NOT WANT TO GET INVOLVED BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GETTING INVOLVED

A: <LAUGH>

B: BUT THEN AT THE SAME TIME IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT THEY SYMPATHIZE WITH THE FRENCH

A: LIKE WE REALLY WANT TO HELP YOU GUYS BUT <NO-SPEECH>

B: YEAH SO THE FILM BECAME BIG BECAUSE OF THAT IT FITS THE TIMES IT REALLY

A: HUH

B: PULLED ON THE HEARTSTRINGS UH AND IT WAS ALSO A GOOD SHOW IT ALSO MIXED A FEW GENRES IT HAD ROMANCE AND IT HAD THIS LA NOIR THING UH THAT SUB GENRE OF AMERICAN FILMS THAT DEAL WITH CRIME AND HAS A PARTICULAR USE OF LIGHTING SO VILLAINS WILL BE CASTED IN SHADOWS OR PEOPLE WHO WERE INTENT ILL INTENT WERE CASTED IN SHADOWS AND PEOPLE WHO WERE GOOD AND KIND AND ANGELIC WILL BE CASTED IN LIGHT

A: OH

B: YEAH SO THEN LIKE IN THE SHOW CASABLANCA YOU'LL NOTICE BECAUSE RICK IS INDECISIVE OF WHETHER TO THINK ABOUT HIMSELF OR TO HELP HE'S USUALLY IN SOME SCENES HE A SHADOW IS CAST ON HIM OF RAILINGS SO THERE ARE LIGH THERE ARE STRI THERE ARE STRIPS OF LIGHT AND DARKNESS OVER HIM THERE'S A MIX OF BOTH BUT THEN THE LADY WHO WANTS TO HAVE THE FRENCH PEOPLE AND FIGHT FOR THE FREEDOM OF FRANCE SHE'S ALWAYS CAST IN LIGHT HER FACE IS ALWAYS LIKE SHINING WITH LIGHT

A: MM HMM

B: AND WHEREVER YOU STANDS THERE'S ALWAYS LIGHT

A: THAT'S BEAUTIFUL

B: SO IT HAS THOSE ELEMENTS SO IT'S A GOOD FILM

A: I'LL CHECK IT OUT I'LL CHECK IT OUT

B: YOU KNOW BUT BUT AT THE SAME TIME IT MIGHT BE IT MIGHT <FOREIGN> DON'T DON'T GO EXPECTING TOO MUCH IT'S JUST A FILM IN THE END OF THE DAY SO YOU MIGHT ACTUALLY WATCH IT <FOREIGN> YOU'RE LIKE AH YOU'LL WATCH IT TILL THE END AND THEN YOU'LL BE UH YOU WON'T SEE WHAT THE FUSS IS ABOUT <OVERLAP>

A: LET ME JUST WATCH IT AND I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I THINK ABOUT IT LET ME JUST WATCH IT

B: YEAH

A: LET ME JUST WATCH IT

B: I REM I REMEMBER I SOMEONE TOLD ME TO WATCH CITIZEN KANE AND I GOT BORED I STILL HAVE TO FINISH IT I DIDN'T I WASN'T IN THE MOOD TO WATCH SUCH A FILM BUT IT IS A GOOD FILM BUT IT CAN ALSO BE VERY BORING

A: WELL ALL THESE MOVIES ARE CLASSICALS SO ALL YOU WATCH IS CLASSICALS

B: DO YOU KNOW CLASSIC ALSO HAVE THE FIRST TIME SOMETHING WAS USED LIKE A HALLWAY SCENE OR YOU KNOW THOSE THE SCENE WHEREBY SOMEONE IS THROWN IN THE IN THE TRUNK OF A CAR AND THE PERPETRATORS ARE BROUGHT TO SLAM THE THE <FOREIGN> THE BOOT

A: UH HUH

B: SO THEY'RE ABOUT TO CLOSE THE BOOT AND THE CAMERA IS SHOWN FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE CAPTOR OF OF THE CAPTIVE SO YOU YOU LOOK AT THE THE PERPETRATORS AND YOU SEE THE BOOT BEING SLAMMED LIKE THAT DIDN'T ALWAYS EXIST UH ONE FILM HAD TO DO IT FOR THE FIRST TIME THEN ALL OTHER FILMS COPIED IT SO EVERY TIME SOMEONE IS KIDNAPPED THAT'S THE SHOT THAT IS TAKEN

A: YEAH THAT'S THE SHOT ACTUALLY YEAH MM HMM MAKES SENSE

B: YEAH I THINK IT'S PULP I THINK IT'S PULP FICTION THAT BROUGHT ABOUT THAT SHOT

A: THE WHAT FICTION BROUGHT ABOUT

A: PULP FICTION

A: ART FICTION

B: PULP FICTION PULP P L

A: PULP