Hey Turkey - how is it going? Excited for this game! Of course, yeah! Will see how things unfold How are things going? Do you think Austria or Russia or going to be a problem? For you or for me? Do you know what Russia is up to? Have you heard from him?? I haven’t No I haven't either Only person I haven’t talked to so I don’t have anything for you. I shared a lot of small talk with Austria - seems like a nice guy but we won’t have much shop to talk for the first couple turns. Yeah, I think you'll be fine with Austria initially Have you talked to France much? I inquired about Italy a little bit but not so much about other plans How’s it going Turkey? It does seem like Russia has a deal with Austria, I was expecting A war - gal at least for some control on rumania What do you think about Austria and Italy though? They seem like nice guys. Very chatty They seem like nice guys. Very chatty Right I agree. Russia seems to be going after me. Why did the army in Pru halt? Also, it's clear that Austria is going to build 2 units in Tri and Vie. I think you should be cautious now that Rusia may withdraw some troops to Sev He thought I was going to defend and decided not to anyway Possibly. I’m more focused on France and England at the moment Okay, good luck with that. I think Russia will move back for now so that'll hopefully be helpful int the short term Looks like Russia is finished... Any plans for the future? I'm not sure how long I can hold out here I’m still deciding what to do in Scandinavia Well, if Austria grabs warsaw, Russia will probably disband that fleet So just take Sweden? Yeah, or you F Den S F Ska - Swe Yeah. I wouldn’t mind keeping Russia alive on life support Or the same for norway. Perhaps that england scares you more Exactly. Just note that Stp can suport F NTH - Nwy Thanks for the reminder OMG 😃 I could bait england to doing that then snipe the North Sea lol So unless russia cuts support But perhaps he is vengeful and willing to help? I'm not sure Well, he could even just convoy to norway and support that if you disrupt the convoy then clearly you are not attacking norway. Yeah. If he is distracted with F NTH though it is likely france can move into the channel Is that so bad? Man Austria is gonna win this isn’t he? It's not bad for you, since France seems to want use that to invade england perhaps Exactly. but he made a big mistake with moves in spring Austria? Or France? France I think. The A spa -Mar got stopped And that cascaded to portugal. If he had moved A spa-gas and A por-spa, he could easily A Gas S A spa - Mar now Yup :/ Well, except for your dude there Italy wants my support into France Anyhow, we should try to sort something with Italy if we can in case austria gets too strong Those two are tight. Not entirely. He did not move F Nap - Ion which would've been very bad for me since he could then convoy to Syr I'm trying to win him over and I think he realizes too that if austria gets the whole east that doesn't bode well He claimed to be the #1 diplomacy player online to me too Idk if that's true but I wouldn't underestimate him Austria? Yep I’m not surprised. Admin told me that someone in here is the top player. What if we all just ganged up. Even if I lose knowing I helped beat the best player in the world would be dope lol I mean, I'll believe it, he got all of {Germany, Russia, Italy} on his hand for the first few years :p Yeah, I basically had the same idea 😃 Well, except for the losing part Mwhhaha Dang Like, once you sort things out with France/England, you'll be frree to move east. I can probably survive a few turns but anyway you should not expect the peac in the east to last especially since Austria will get 1 or 2 builds in winter I agree. Do you have any ideas on how to free up some resources? My resources? A deal with england where I get the North Sea. Ok, but he'd want a way to get his troops across into france at least. So he needs the channel I don't he will be satisfied to twiddle his thumbs in Pic. think* Perhaps a situation where both of you don't occupy NTH is ok? Then there is a buffer zone both ways. Actually, it's probably fast to ally with france but it's up to you Yeah that was my original plan but he’s unresponsive My other option is to just gun for england. It risks an Austria win, but could allow me rapid growth, especially if I take Norway and then the North Sea next turn. Yeah, though I'm inclined to think he will move his fleet to norway since it's fall. But in effect he will be giving up the channel, allowing france to move his troops Either way, England is weakened Exactly. I still get one build. Sucks that I can’t focus on Austria, but his terms were not sufficient. Good luck then. I'll try to not die Okay you’re idea actually revived talks (An open North Sea armistice) Hey you still online? I'm back I'd like to make some plans with regards to austria if you are able to help out Totally in Cool If you can make a move toward warsaw to begin with that would be beneficial to both of us I think As soon as austria has to take 1 or two armies off to protect the west, I think I can push in a little bit Yes. I’m attacking Warsaw this turn and will take it by next turn at the latest. Austria is going to support Italy into Smyrna or at least that’s what he told me I want to take Paris and Warsaw next turn. Once I have those two extra builds, russia is largely taken by England and France is put to bed. My plan is to move on Austria. I don’t want Italy to turn against us, but if he does I was england to be strong enough to help hold him off. I would have a conversation with england about what will happen with Moscow. He is a friend and I trust him. Good luck on everything man. The longer you can hold out the more time england and I have to build. I'm not sure if this is a good plan: Maybe you can cut A Gal S Rum such that I can A Sev - Rum with support from Bla This turn? Yeah. I'm not sure if you have anything else you want to do with A Sil ? Or maybe keep up appearances Gonna give Warsaw a shot exactly. My plan is to let me and england get as strong as possible while Austria thinks we’re his pals If either me or england attack moscow, the attack on warsaw will fail If I don't get + 1 command center this turn I will need to disband 1 unit and austria gets plus 1. I'm quite scared of caving in with just 4 units I’m scared too tbh. I feel like you’re Churchill here and if you lose that unit it could be the beginning of the end I've made a few bets and it's allowed me to survive so far. But some time the coin will land on the other side I’m hoping you can keep him busy until spring 1905 That may be wishful thinking But I don’t feel prepared for a full assault yet Still if your just hanging on, once we start hitting him from the north and east, you might be able to reclaim builds quickly I think the best path forward is to wait and see what happens this turn, and if things get too hairy we gotta pull the trigger Like, if this turn I bet wrong on what's gonna attack what. I'll probably lose another center. 2 instead of 1 or just one? We may be able to work out some intel I'm not sure Austria would feel compelled to give you accurate intel on the moves in the southeast Right. But we may be able to get something. Even if he lies we can potentially make deductions from his lies. Do you guys talk at all? Barely. For the opposite reason (me giving away stuff) Also, England has never responded to me I've also been amazed at how deaf italy has been to my chat about him having nothing to gain from austria winning basically all of turkey Yes, why is Italy so strongly joined at the hip with Austria? It seems unlikely that we will be able to pry him away unfortunately On multiple occasions has he been vaguely agreeable with my arguments to then try to stab me anyhow Also, like if your intel on the Smy attack is correct that changes a lot of things for me (in options) Like, from the outset that seems a relatively risky choice. Well, at least there's a way to force a stalemate from this position but I still lose 1 dude (and austria gains one) Italy supposedly is upset with austria. We'll see how it goes Really? Why? Do you think it’s a ploy? If we can enlist Italy then there is no reason not to move on Austria immediately He's claimed to want to move against austria in various ways before to then try to stab me anyway. It had been only plays for me to lower my guard. I wouldn't trust him unless he makes the first move. Agreed. So this time I tried going into various strategies in why moving against Austria isn't as hard as he thinks it is. But he's acting not convinced. Anyway, I think there may be a path where we convince him to move together against Austria but it's not clear how to trust Italy after all that he's done before and how closely allied he's been to Austria I agree. I would wait for some secondary evidence from england or me before trusting him to turn on Austria It is unfortunate but I do not have winning moves remaining This is unfortunate if that’s true I mean, it’s depends on when we can turn on Austria Yes, that's true. However, if they play it right, as things stand, then there is no way for me to push forward without me losing something. Basically, without that 5th army the status quo is again slightly in their favor. Probably I will lose a unit every year ish, if not faster by the time I only have a few left Perhaps together with england I can hold the status quo but we'll see how that goes. Could you attack Ukr with War? I suspect it will support Sev so it can hold against my supported attack No, I already agreed to support Moscow with that unit , and he is supporting you into sev. I don’t want to turn on Austria until the spring. Hm, that's another course of action he has huh. But he's not greedy so I'm not sure he'd do that. England told me he was gonna support you into Sev I believe him but it's not enough if austria plays defensively and supports sev from Ukr and Rom Then if I do go on the offensive it's very likely I lose something in my mainland. So gambling on austria being greedy is the wrong move imo Unless I can guarantee that I capture Sev. Hmm. It’s your call. I would love to prevent Austria from getting another build Right. Is that possible? Only if you cut his support support, unfortunately And do what? But, if you attack ukr with warsaw you'd also cut austria's support on a possible att on mosocow So basically it's two birds with one stone. I can get into Sev and you prevent a possible attack on moscow I made a commitment to england already, so you have to convince him. I'll try and message him Look, it's very likely that A gal - war to cut your support if he makes an aggressive move Then the only thing saving moscow is if I attack Sev See https://www.backstabbr.com/sandbox/6340894809128960/1904/fall If I don't attack sev here, moscow would fall Hmmm I don’t see what I can do to shift the equation Actually, you're right I may hit Ukraine to allow you to retake Sev. Sure, let's give it a try So are you going to move on ukr in spring? No me and england we thinking about jumping the gun in a last ditch effort to save sev But this turn I think (if I have the balls to do it) I’m going to just dive into Austria And lets the chips fall where they may Great! I'm still coming up with their likely game plan. I'd like to not lose 2 centers in turkey by winter if I can prevent it What is your plan surrounding Ukr and Gal? No idea I literally haven’t thought this thru I’m hoping you and england can come up with a good strategy here I will get support from England to attack Sev. If you do A War- Ukr that will succeed and one of Austria's armies there will be disbanded That’s great news So you're ready to help? Yes- let me set my orders I will help you retake sev. But I cannot hit Ukraine until the fall. I have to sure up my hold in Warsaw and my path into Vienna. I hope that is acceptable. Yo Ack Did you request england to not support my attack? I asked him to support Warsaw with the understanding that we will both support you into sev this turn. I couldn’t help you in the spring because I risked losing Warsaw which would set the whole war on Austria behind I would've been happy to attack Rum or similar in this turn, which would make it much harder for austria to hold warsaw or Vienna at the same time, even if you had lost warsaw in spring. There's no way Austria could've held warsaw with you getting some support from England (attack of 3 strenght) That could be right, idk. But let’s focus on helping you take Sev this turn. Hey Turkey - one of my big goals is to make sure you get another build in 1906. I think most likely this will be doable in Rum. I have to ask you something tho Sure, what is it? Just keep me posted if you hear any wind that people are going to gang up on me. Now that I have 10 units and they all have 7 I’m a bit worried I’m thinking king we may be able to have you take Rum this year Yeah I'm also considering Bul but I need to defend Ank as well When did you want to move on Rum? Maybe fall What are the plans in fall? Can you support my unit in War into Ukraine. I will use him to support you into Rom Congrats on the big retake! I feel like I turned on Austria just in time to save you haha Hi, sorry for the tardyness. I've just had a really busy weekend 🙂 Yeah, thanks. Slowly getting back into the game No worries. Would you feel comfortable supporting me into Rom? Then in the spring I’ll move to Budapest and you can take rom I think it makes slightly more sense for me to take it this turn, because you won’t have the physical spaces to build two new units While I'm not entirely opposed to this proposition I don't have time to fully consider it today nor tomorrow. I will just stay as I am for now Can you support me into rom? Or are you working with Austria? I'm not working with Austria, I'm just not doing anything. Down to support you into rom I’m going to hit rom unless you want it. What’s good man - hoping to chat before adjudication Hey, you still around? Yes I'm back from travels! Nice man welcome back! Okay, so rum sound good! I can follow up with my troops from mainland turkey as well before winter. What is your side of this? What would you like me to do for you? So I’m happy to support you into Rum! But I would like you to support me into in Bud next turn if that’s cool? Ok, fair enough. I'm a bit worried about englend going for Sev, though. Do you think he'll stay at moscow? Ukraine is supporting Sev into Rum Yes, I’ll make sure of it. You are totally safe from england. We are in a position where if he fucks me he will get fucked twice as hard Ok great. I'm supporting with the fleet as well. Perfect. I can’t support with Gal because I need to protect Vienna But I’m supporting you from Ukraine Sure, yeah. I'm considering what he will gamble on. If you push into bud with +1 support then we either get bud or rum probably I’m going to push into bud in the fall with your support from Rum and my support from Vienna But it will be easier once you’re in Rum That will break the egg of Austria Ok! It hinges on serbia's support though How so? If both bud and serbia support rum then the attack will fail. F Bel
A Boh S Tyr
A Bur - Mun
A Gal - Bud
F Hol
A Par H
A Tyr - Tri
A Ukr S Sev - Rum
A Vie S Gal - Bud
A War - Gal Here’s my moves right now Happy to update them Ah ok, that looks good. As long as there's an attack on Bud as well. Sweet I really am kinda incentivised to hit him hard No, I believe you. We're all set up for this. Congrats on the pickup! I’m so siked that we were able to turn the tables on Austria. Would you be down to talk longer term strategy soon? Yeah, whew that was close for me for a short while. Thanks Lol Austria just reached out to me saying he would support me into Rum lmfao He got really mad at me I’m sure dude We just need to put him to bed at this point It's just a game. Like, i don't get it He’s too intense it’s wack He like found my IRL name Which really freaked me out There's some names on the info tab of the game I guess actually, if you go to <#601857887098372112> and click on your user, you'll see But the fact that they went to the effort... I don't know Sore loser I guess Just weird to me that’s all We have a break over the weekend but you still want me to support you into Bud? Galicia correct? Yes please!!! I thanks man. no problem. Are you going to take bulg? I’m playing with the sandbox and unfortunately, we can’t take bud until one other territory falls. If he puts all support on bud I will get bul. Yeah I think we bluff that we’re going for bud. I won’t get it this turn, but will you help me get it next turn? Well that literally couldn’t have gone better. I’m thinking I take Serb and you can have Greece if that’s cool with you? Can you help me with italy then? Potentially! As long as we can agree to some broader armistice. I don’t want to focus on fighting you. We just toppled Austria together and plus Turkey is mega hard to take with out a Mediterranean fleet... but we could cause problems for each other if we don’t work something out. Hey turkey what’s good Hey I'm around What up man I'll try and get greece but it's not guaranteed Okay no worries Can  you support me into Serb Tri > Serb I can't, sorry It’s okay I appreciate your honesty What are you thinking more long term I'm hoping to set up a convoy to naples, I think What’s your plan for the army in Rum Fortify my lines Fair. I’m not interested in going after you, I just want Serbia Do you want Moscow Happy to support you in I can't Y