So, I'm proposing a northern triple. You, me, and Germany roll down the rest of the board, and then call a three-way draw. It's a good route, because it's a pretty stealthy alliance early on. It looks like an EG taking on France, and Russia just acting normally. How does that sound to you? I would hop on board with that if germany does I'll let you know what I hear from Germany. Ok sounds good. I'll be upfront with you, I had already proposed a western triple but neither have replied so if germany replies to the northern triple first then france can die hehehehe *laughs evily* Any word from the germans yet? I have reason to believe he is already communicating with the Italians and doesn't reply to me I haven't gotten anything from anyone but you. Apparently our alliance is self-establishing lol I've now heard a bit from Italy, but nought from Germany. A triple alliance with Italy is sounding a bit better in this situation wouldn't you say? I'd be quite on board with that as well, it wouldn't really change my opening moves True that So about Scandinavia.  Sweden for you and Norway for me I'm guessing? That's the traditional way to do it, as long as Germany doesn't get dickish. If he does that just solidifies my suspicions So, army, huh? Uh, yea.  Classic opening. Besides we wouldn't want france to get suspicious Wish you had mentioned something if you were going to be uncomfortable with it. My spring moves were regular old classic as well Last thing we need is for the rest of the map to get suspicious of the north triplets Silence is uncertainty and uncertainty is hard to work with man Sorry about that, crazy last few days for me. I'm gonna build an army in StP to keep up appearances, but I'm still board with the northern triad. What appearances might those be? You already attacked Turkey And "gonna build" is future tense. I already see what you built so that text being out of context strikes me weird Right, yes, sorry, I brainfarted, I'm playing Russia in another game, and also doing a northern triad there, and that game is slightly behind this one in years. Got the games mixed up in my head. It's a hassle and a half sorting them out sometimes. That is a brainfart for sure lol Anyway, having reoriented myself, I'm not going to do anything with StP (I've got a hold order in), and I'll move it out of StP once I see you're not coming my way. I figure it's not a big long-term loss or anything, because it's pretty quick to get it back down south. Ok I  look forward to seeing it I don't have time to chat unfortunately so we'll catch up next season I'll be honest tho, you've given off a very sketchy vibe from the get go  so I will be establishing a strong base in Scandinavia. When/if I see stp move south indicating  you're true intentions I can then begin to ease up on our borders. Thank you for understanding and I hope you have a good night or good day hehe whichever corresponds to you I mean, I certainly understand what you're thinking here, but, if you start moving more into Scandinavia, that's going to be a problem and a big imminent threat to me. I'd much rather see a status quo here, where neither of us makes an approach against the other. Let's see that hold order and then we'll talk again Good morning sir.  I did have just a couple mins to get on.  Just want to give you a heads up that I will attack stp with nwy. Since your issuing a hold order nothing will come of it other than keeping up much needed appearances as you said. Good to know. I like keeping things above board So, you decided to opt for a Western triple instead of a Northern? Yea I wasn't left with much of a choice I left you with plenty of choice, and you've got plenty of fleets to go after France. I would've loved to  try the northern but our stars just didn't align Not the way the diplomacy worked out i didn't have much choice. The uncertainty was to overwhelming Hey, I'm here, I'm talking, it's not too late to turn around. NAO is right there, the Channel is right there... Man I hear you but at this point I need to at least grab stp wouldn't you say? It wouldn't be fair  if I didn't I don't think you do. Plenty of stuff you can do without it. You want Sweden? I could support you into Sweden. You still there bro? Yep. Sorry I fell asleep on you lol I'll take you up on your offer for Sweden man Problem is to do that you wouldn't be able to defend stp and you'd be going out on a limb that I'm not sure you are willing to lol. Quite the pickle ? I fell asleep on you, in turn! I'm not good at sleep schedules. Yeah, I'm going out on a limb, but I want us to work together. Ugh this decision is harder for me than for you apparently lol Weird how I've put myself in a position that you could be the one to betray me lmao Question: has germany been in contact with you? Nope. I've reached out, but no response. Yea very quiet on my end as well. It's hard to work with silence Why were you so sketchy at the beginning? Like apparently offering everybody alliance and such I feel like you're only wanting to work with me now cuz you're squeezed. Do you truly want to be my ally? Well I've found that with Russia, the goal is to piss off as few people as possible, because if a bunch of powers are annoyed at Russia, you won't last long. As for right now, yes, I absolutely do want to be your ally, because I think Russia/England is a very strong long-term alliance. You've got a lot of really easy paths to expansion that don't go through me, and I've got a lot of paths to expansion that don't go through you. Plus, you've got a friendship going with France, and there's a German right between us that we can definitely handle together, to our mutual long-term benefit. Hmm guess you went to hard trying to be friendly and it backfired badly. From what I hear ALL your neighbors are gunning for you which would make me the target also if I do side with you :/ but now you seem so cool Yea I hear you on all of that. Believe me I'm aware of the board state I'll get back with you on a for certain about Sweden. I trust my word means something to you by now It does. Very good. I just need to make sure I know EXACTLY what germany is doing this turn I will let you know whether I'm with you or against you Thanks. Yes sir. It's been a business doing pleasure with you ;) Aight man we are brothers in arms!! I'm ready to rock and roll with you You've got the support order. I'm leaving it to you to not get greedy. You got it man. Hey bru got a second? What's up? That wouldn't be the greatest thing. I want them in the dark so how bout you don't support me to Sweden and instead defend stp. My diplomacy with germany worked to where I can just walk into Sweden. I was thinking about how they gonna know we allied if you support me Fair enough. I'll put the support order in. I'm thinking straight here right? Yeah, you're on point. Aight bet. Oooo I like your lingo! 
"You're on point" that's my style lol Where you from my g? Lifelong born-and-raised New Yorker. No shit. I got a friend vacationing in new York right now I want to be there one year when the ball drops!!! -applauds- Nice stab, my man. Nice stab. Yea the diplomacy worked out super well Tks btw hehe Mornin brotha. How goes it? Curious, was Austria moving into tyr your doing? It was not, Austria hasn't been talking to me. So, what I'm thinking I'm gonna do is, I'll sent my BOT fleet into StP, and my StP army down into Mos to deal with the Turk. Does that sound all good to you, or is there something you'd rather the BOT fleet help you with? I mean would be cool if you could keep it in bot to cut bal support.  My nwy fleet is moving to ska so you can safely utilize stp down south. We can dmz stp and nwy. Well nwy is already going to be DMZ because of what I'm doing Sure, I'll tap BAL. Actually for the spring turn it would be better to support swe. Gotcha. Order updatee. Er, updated. Thank you sir How would you like some help against that gobbling turkey? I'm trying to get Austria back on board but he's just not responding. The pope said they have good diplomatic  influence  with Austria so if I move on france they will be happy to help put the plug on turkey So do I have your defensive support on Sweden this turn? Sure thing! Thank you sir I think I  may be in the same boat as you lol Then we'll shove this boat up everyone else's asses, eh? Hahaha I like that idea!! Well shit bru,  I have tried everything I can think to change the board stacked against you to no avail At least I won't have to suffer for very long, I guess. True I'm gonna move swe to finland to back you up or at least to not let Turkey and Austria get stp I'm sure you'd rather stp be English than freaking Turkish 100%. It's yours, and I'll try and get you Moscow too. That would be sweet actually my brother. If I can get a strong footing in the east I can battle Turkey back (I think)  lol Still same plan? Are you gone my friend? I am so sorry!! It hurts to see your support wasted like that!! S'all good! Hopefully it'll work in the fall. Yes I assume you will issue a support hold order for Moscow? Already in. You're awesome!