I would prefer to bounce in the Black sea, unless you're interested in doing something like blowing up my fleet. I am interested in both, but for sake of any alliance I'd go for a bounce. I agree, that's probably for the best.  let's see what our neighbors do in '01, perhaps it will open up some opportunities. Yes of course. The smartest move is that. But I would like to work with you the most because AT alliance won't work past 1903 and IT is just a wild card for me. I am not saying we should do Juggernaut but maybe Juggernaut Lite, sort of. Jug light it is! Good morning! I’d prefer not to bounce again, but want to know what you’re thinking. I plan on sending UKR—RUM and would appreciate your support. We should be able to get you a dot or two next year (Bul and/or Gre) I already have Bul, could you support yourself in Rum? I meant Serbia. I can and will. What are your thoughts on the Black Sea? If I don't move there it could be obvious to others we are allied. But combined with my attack on Rum it could assure others we are indeed fighting. Do you still think we need to mask a partnership? In my experience, playing it cute doesn’t really mask anything and runs the risk of ceding momentum. If you’re going to attack Rumania then I have to move Gal to guarantee it and now I’m not in Gal anymore and we don’t have position on Austria. I think Austria could be very surprised by my stab, and you could let me in Bla if you trust me If Austria would be surprised by it, what’s the point? What is it accomplishing? It doesn’t put you or us in position to attack him and seems like a total waste of time. Hi! Haven’t had a response to this message? If he gets to trust me it could lower his guard a bit Ok. We’ll do it your way! I am still taking to him trying to sniff out info Do you think Austria and Italy are doing a blue water lepanto? I think if assistance into Rumania was promised, you were lied to. I’d like you to build in the south and move your fleet towards the people who are lying to you. I’m willing to support you into Serbia, if you’d like. No, i wasnt promised rum at all. I have been honest to you, but yes it could be they are working together. Serbia sounds Juggernaut-ish and it is fine with me. Oh. Well. I’d prefer to be in Galicia, but that’s not how things turned out. At least you’re not in Armenia or someplace unrecoverable. Rumania will support Bulgaria to Serbia. Ok, I will use Bla to support con to bul I would prefer it if you moved BLA-CON. Would you mind doing that? I will not move SEV. I can see how you’d be concerned about Rumania and Serbia teaming up on Bulgaria. Because I haven’t discussed this set of moves with Austria, I didn’t consider it a threat you needed to protect against. I’m not trying to set you up, but I understand if you feel the need to protect your gains. Please also understand that I’d like to avoid THREE Turkish units surrounding Rumania. Also, please bear in mind that had we dispensed with the cloak and dagger of your move on Rumania and just went at Austria, you’d be at 5 and I’d be in Galicia. I would like to think that I have demonstrated my trustworthiness  to you.  I have made a concerted effort to tell you the truth at every juncture.  (I hope you've been giving me the thumbs up! 🙂 )  Anyway, how do you want to proceed?  I don't think you want Italy getting Greece.  How about you take it with Serbia and I try to slip in to Serbia behind you?  That way we both gain.  You  can have Serbia long term, I figure I'll take the rest of Austria, help you crack Italy, and then move more north while you pour into the med.  If you need a center here or there to stay even, we can do that. I would rather support you in Budapest if that works for you. I am unsure about my fleet, should I defend Smy or take Gre, tgey could go with safer option of convoying to syr Personally, I think they’ll convoy to Syria ... but that’s a big one to be wrong about. Here’s the thing, you supporting me into Budapest won’t work. He’ll triple support it and it will bounce. If you support yourself to Greece, it’s guaranteed to work. And then I’ll probably pick up Serbia. I’d really like to continue working with you, but we should both gain from our partnership - not only you gain. I think that’s fair, do you see it differently? Okay, after a bit of thought, i could do that if i get ser later 100% yes. I will attack north with it and you can backfill, no problem. Either Austria will disband his fleet and you’ll be in the catbird seat in the Med or he’ll disband an army and he won’t be able to stop you walking into Serbia. That worked out well. Of course, you were right about your suggestions. I did not predict that Austria would move so dangerously after turtling up last turn. Ok. I asked Austria for support into Serbia (figured he’d assume I was going anywhere BUT Serbia).  I’m more than a little surprised by his moves. His disband will be very telling. I am very surprised and concerned about his moves. I will definitely have to check those out. Why did you move to Black Sea? Since we didn’t bounce, clearly a mistake on my part. I misinterpreted your silence incorrectly. Okay, you will fall back now Think we can get Austria to do something about Italy? Hardly, we can try and hope for the best i mean ...  I know he's only in my dots, but ... eventually he's got to go somewhere.  And it's super bad for you.  Would you mind helping me out a little bit? I am, what do you want me to do? eventually help me get back Rumania.  But I will order SEV to do whatever you want. Let's roll these guys.  Austria is out of position, Italy is pulling two.  It'll be a late start, but we can definitely Juggernaut. I'll admit, waiving that build was a bold strategy.  But, I can dig it.  Let's work together.