As I'm sure you know, Turkey is a potential threat to us both. I'd like to talk to you about possibly curtailing that threat. I can't be online but I am open to hearing your ideas *** online too much longer is what I meant to type Well, the ideas mostly consist of cooperating to take them down, you, me, and the Italians. I'm going to be moving from Warsaw to Ukraine to take Romania and I'm going to be bouncing them in the Black Sea. so. I am open to working with you.. but I would like to see you leave Gal as a neutral territory and I will as well That's my intent; I was going to ask you to do the same but you beat me to it. sounds good.  we will do that and learn that we can trust one another Excellent, looking forward to working together. great.  enjoy your weekend and catch you in the fall season 🙂 I can use the army in Rumania to support you into Bulgaria this season and the Turks can't stop it. Ok, I've actually made a huge planning breakthrough, bear with me. I've got the Turks duped into thinking I'm on their side, so I'm going to be supporting them to stay put in Bulgaria in Spring. Their plan is to move their fleet in Constantinople to the Aegean and for the plan to work it's important that that succeed.

In the Fall, I'm going to be convoying an army directly into Constantinople, because the Turks are allowing me to move my fleet into the Black Sea. We'll have them destroyed within the next year, and then we can pivot to the French and Germans. so... if they are letting you into the black sea then why don't you support me into  Bulgaria and then I can support you into Constantinople?  they made a bad move in the first year so together we could take them out I believe pretty handily For several reasons: If we take Bulgaria this season they're pushed back into Constantinople with the possibility of three units supporting and not even close to enough units for us to push through them. If we take Constantinople and Bulgaria simultaneously in Fall, we not only deprive them of an additional build, we also put ourselves in the position to destroy them in the next year completely. Hey, you cool? You're making a lot of aggressive moves here. I need you to chill out before you ruin the entire offensive. I told you well in advance of the end of the turn that I was tricking the Turks here and that we'd have you in Bulgaria by the end of this turn, why are you doing this? i didn't believe you.  if you really wanted to work with me there was no reason not to help me into bulgaria when i could have then leant my help in return.  all you had to do was move moscow into sevestapol and your fleet into black sea and we could have been golden.  when you told me you weren't going to help that said to me that this is a set up.  I am not sure where this leaves us but we could have been in a much stronger position Are you serious? Did you even read what I sent to you? I told you that we were going to take Constantinople and Bulgaria in one fell swoop in the fall, take the Turks completely by surprise and have them annihilated before the next build phase; if the army in Bulgaria was knocked back to Constantinople we'd have another two years of maneuvering to knock them out ahead of us. You ruined that. dude... look at the map/  that would not work. unless he was completely stupid there is no chance that could possibly have worked It literally did work! It would have worked like a charm if you hadn't messed it up! The Turks trust me implicitly! I could have landed in Constantinople and they'd have been taken entirely by surprise because they thought I was allied to them! I told you literally all of this so you were trusting him not to do that as well even with his army sittin right in Arm then at best you et the territory you wanted. i get nothing, and at worst he takes sevestopol from you because that is what he told me he was going to do no because if that was the case they wouldnt trust me and the would defend bulgaria sorry man ive played this too many times to know what was likely to happen in that situation His army in Armenia is a feint, play fighting because he didn't want you and Italy to think that we were on the same side, which I specifically told you was happening because I needed you to fucking trust me when, for one turn, I supported the Turks to stay put to keep the subterfuge up. I was going to build in Sevastopol to prevent them coming toward me once the act fell, you were going to be 2:1 going into Bulgaria because the Italians were going to cut its only possible support. You were going to get Bulgaria, I'd get Constantinople, and the next season would see us wipe them out the rest of the way. again.  if he is trusting you then he is not trusting me.  which means you take the territory and I dont Are you a fucking amateur? Greece+Serbia outnumbers Bulgaria, they can't get support from the Aegean because the Italians were going to cut that support, it was going to be a fucking walk-in victory with the added bonus of forcing that army to disband because I'd have parachuted into Constantinople. I have the Turks practically taking marching orders from me, this was going to be the perfect offensive until you decided to go off script. Whatever, it doesn't matter. We can get back on track; The Turks are going to go whole-hog on Greece, you'll have to support it to keep it. Remove yourself from Galicia away from my territory, regain my trust, and we'll restart from where we were Spring this year. If you don't, then you've got quite the situation on your hands. One that Austria never wins. the only way he can take greece is with your help which means why would i trust you and leave galicia there needs to be some sort of trade that might make things believeable between the 2 of us He's assuming that you're going to use all your support on attacking Rumania and that Italy's going to make another play for the Eastern Med, obviously. In fact, it's not even possible for me to anything more than tangentially involved, and that's assuming that you were going to use your support from Serbia toward Greece anyways. I'm just telling you what he told me, if you want to criticize his tactics talk to him. 

What's this trade you're proposing? Quite frankly, since you're the one doing the betraying and I have thusfar told you literally nothing but the truth and tried to help you, I feel absolutely no need to give you much, but I'm curious about your proposal anyways. No proposal then? I was not home for the night. Ah, I see. well i am going to watch the caps hockey game.  I will be back after to see what you have to say.. but any suggestion will have to go along with you trusting me to leave my army in gal.  in exchange you would have to help me somehow and if the trust holds then next year i could move out of gal.  anyhow. i will be back on probably around 10:30p out watching the caps vs bruins game with some friends anyhow.  my suggestion was going to be I stay in gal for a turn and you support me into bulgaria with rum.  that still allows you to also take one of turkeys territories if he still trusts you.  if that happens I move out of gal next turn renewing the safe border and then we finish off turkey we can still accomplish the same thing im honestly not sure how we trust each other right now. it would be a leap on both our parts. what are your thoughts?  I need to make moves and get some sleep! Ill check messages in the morning before I make moves.  I need to get some sleep.  until later No. I did nothing to break your trust. You move out of Galicia or I won't deal with you. We made an agreement, I told you in advance of all my plans and you raised only minimal objections, before deciding to make moves to betray me. 

I won't be coerced into allowing you to break our very first agreement just because you didn't think hard enough about what I told you to see how it would work. i wrote that since it didn't seem like you were responding. i will move out of galecia Alright, I'll support you into Bulgaria then. why didn't you take con? Because I didn't have the chance to change my orders and was in full panic mode about you betraying me when I wrote them. ah well.  i didn't get to edit my orders either i didnt realize he was going to adjusticate so quickly i was trying to adjust my orders after i saw your message ah well. i need to go to bed.  im too tired for this. good night Sleep well Hey, I can get the Italians to back off of Tyrolia if you disband the fleet in the Adriatic instead of the one in Albania. They need to fight the French off and their move into Greece and Tyrolia was something that was going to be called off if last night's adjudication hadn't happened so damn fast.