Heyyyy Turkey Whatcha thinking re: start of the game? It kind of depends. I'll probably want to stop Russia from advancing south I'm kind of afraid of Austria and Russia teaming together on me I mean if that happens you’re donezos What vibes are you getting from each of them? Austria seems very knowledgeable Russia has been silent so far Lots of silence in this game lol Is Austria pushing you for anything? Go hard on Russia, I guess. Lol I’m sure Whelp, I’m off to bed, but lmk if you see any opportunities to collaborate in the early game Night! Either he does that and that's fine with me, or he turns around and goes for me. Either way we can be prepared? Rgr Where are you looking to go? Tunisia or greecy perhaps? Tunisia prolly Why? I need to consider whether greece is up for grabs or not. Depends on what austria is doing too I have no sense what austria is up to lol What did he tell you? like he'd tell me if he was gonna attack me lol what did he tell you? temporary non-aggression, but limited other discussion Heyyyy guy What’re you thinking re: next turn? I still want to attack Russia but it does seem like Austria may be able to grab a lot of supply in the Balkans. I don't think either of us are beniftted by an overly strong Austria so it would be prudent to  come to some terms with Austria there Looks like things have been fine for you so far, but now you've got to pick a side. I am expecting F Ion - Eas which I will not allow. Even if you were to make it through to turkey, you'd have 1, maybe 2 command centers far away from home, whereas Austria has 4-5 more in the Balkans with Constantinople. I think things are definitely not fine for me, honestly Austria is wayyyy too strong rn...I should’ve stabbed him when I had the chance Believe me that between him and France, I’m not trying to start shit with you Don’t want to promise anything rn- too early for that, talk to me after builds- but Austria is gonna have to build something in Trieste, so I officially have bigger fish to fry Maybe you will able to broker a deal with France and refocus on Austria? France fucking barely talks to me!  Are you getting any vibes from him??? I'm willing to back you up on that. You probably cannot prevent a build in Marseille but Pie offers decent cover. I'm on decent footing with France. The real issue for me is Russia, have you talked to him? Incredibly limited convo...he said he “wanted to go north” Which I’m betting he regrets now lol Yes, I'll see if we can come to an agreement. There is no way I'm going to beat him with 1 army anyway. Look- build what you’re gonna build.  But I’m not gunning for you. What are your plans for builds? Lol what’re yours? I do plan to build a fleet in Smy. I'll believe you if you don't build a fleet in Naples Whyever would you do that. Building a fleet in your south screams, “I’m coming after Tunis” You just said yourself you need more armies! To stop F Ion - Eas Most of the Balkans on my side are fleet-accessible But I’m not going to do that!!! And it doesn’t help you with Russia in the north. How should I know? If you build a fleet there, I have to assume it’s going after me. I think I’ve made a reasonable case on why I have other stuff to worry about aside from attacking you! I'm not quite sure what a single fleet is going to do when Austria is literally 2 spaces away from Con The black sea strait does not allow me to use armies to their advantage. Fleets are better Honestly, I probably need to build a fleet or army in Venice...if only to keep Austria from fucking me, bc he’s obviously building in Trieste.  I don’t want to do that though, but I don’t see alternatives. Why no fleet in Ankara then?  That’s much less threatening to me I have two builds but I still need to decide what to build there If it’s a fleet we will have Problems I'm sorry but it's gonna happen anyway if I don't want to open myself to a massive stab by you. Not trying to threaten!  Just communicating how I’m gonna see that build if you do it. Ok, I mean we don’t have much more to talk about then. What really matters is what I'm going to do with the fleet. There's no way for me to move F Eas - Ion unless you vacate that. Even so, I need those fleets supporting my push into the balkans Dude, it feels like you’re making a lot of demands but not offering me much. You’ll build a fleet there...and you’re telling me where I can’t move...what do I get? (Hopping in the shower post gym rn but will be back online in a few mjn) Any pressure from my side on Austria helps your side against Austria too. This will keep Austria's armies in Ser and Bud occupied I mean that “rising tides lift all boats” stuff ain’t good enough If you build a fleet in the south you force me to treat you like a threat And good luck fighting Russia, Austria, and me I don’t want that though!  But I don’t see other options if you make that build. What would you suggest? Build an army there, not a fleet Then we gucci I'm working out some scenarios so just give me a second Rgr I’m around Fair enough, I do not see scenarios where you backstab and still have the upper hand against Austria Sorry for being so distrustful Backstab who?  I’m confused lol Well, I'm consdering you convoying A Tun - Smy for example but I'm glad that won't be an issue 😃 Why the FUCKKKK would I do that lol You are too paranoid for someone fighting a two front ear lol *war I’m confused...what’re you intentions re: fleet Vice army build? I'll build an army in Smy Rgr!!! Glad we could work this out. If you can go to Alb with your army in tunesia I can then try to support an attack on Greece later Hmmmm lemme look at the board real quick and think I'm not sure if you have other plans, but I would like to think ahead a little bit to see what we can do. Maybe we should talk post- builds- I’m not saying no but I gotta see how france’s builds shake out Happy to game things out rn tho! Specifically, if you do F Ion S A Alb - Gre, it is unlikely Austria will be able to stop that given that I'll be pushing for Rum and Bul if necessary So what's the plan from here? What is your plan with F Eas? Honestly not sure!  Thinking of bringing it into the Aegean and using it to support somebody.  Do you have ideas? Yeah I think moving to Aegaen would be very helpful. I could then help you get into greece afterwards as well, if I can get Bul Still, it's looking like Austria will get at least +1 build I'm not quite sure what to do. I think I can survive a year or two but maybe not more Yeah you’re in a tough spot.  What motivated your decision to go after Russia? I was playing along with Austria. Plus then i gambled he'd F Sev - Bla so I could just move in with A arm - sev. Also he was not being communicative and was only moving north so I had assumed he was allied with Austria (& he confirmed it only now) Anyway, I'd be cool to sit it out for a few turns with 4-5 CP but I think Austria will continue pressuring me. Brb- going to grab dinner So idk if it makes any difference re: your build but honestly I’d be happy with smy and I’d leave you alone after that.  Just saying! I'm not sure what your intended outcome here is though. Sure, smy is nice but the rest would belong to austria, which means he has 9 command centers and you have 6 (if you can hold Mar) 10, actually. I'm happy to cooperate but you need to show some goodwill first I’m a little confused here- what can you offer me? I’m a lil pissed at Austria rn, but I don’t see what you bring to the table If nothing else, a common enemy It would be fairly easy for us to destroy Austria's fleet together, for example Ok I’m listening- how? I’m salty at ol austria/hungry but idk if we can turn the tide I should’ve stabbed him when I had the chance I can support F Eas - Aeg with two ships. If you move F Tys - Ion then it would be disbanded. But it's fall so he can rebuild. You'd need to wait untill spring Or if you don't wish to go so far, going F Eas-Ion would free me up  a little to move my fleet out and then we can attack from both sides Hmmm looking at nap now Nah I don’t like that last idea He’ll know I’m gunning for him and he can maybe take Venice Then in spring we can go for greece for example Lemme evaluate idea 1 Seems reasonable to me to withdraw the fleet if you need it against france After all, there isn't much hope of you getting Smy Man even in idea 1 If that fleet gets disbanded bc of me he judtcrebuilds it next to Venice And then I’m fucked Right?  Am I missing something? Well, yeah. You just gotta play it cool for fall and then go for him in spring. Given that Germany is moving east, I'm not sure he can handle three fronts. Plus he's got 2/3 of his dudes knocking on my door already To no avail- your door is locked pretty tight lol Is Germany moving against him? I think he's going for Russia but surely he must not want that. They've been allied too Ugh So- I guess we’ll revisit next turn? When he’s a bit farther from builds and I can get a build so I have an army in Venice? I'd try to your army in tunis moved to mainland so that your ships are freed up I mean, he can't do anything with 1 army against your 1 If he moves troops away from the balkans he loses his stuff there. There’s just no way to get it there quickly yknow? If I do that and he gets a build this turn he sees where I’m going And it’s game over Convoy from tunis, then you can move from Rom to Ven Even if he builds 1 in Tri, you can block the move to Ven with 1 army while you move your ships Yeah but then if he wants he can bring a fleet to fuck me and stillcgold thecline againdtcyou It’s just not the right time this turn (Not drunk- just on my phone and typing quickly lol) Again, what is 1 fleet gonna do. At the very least you equal him in fleets and then there's me. Moreover, if he builds a fleet he cannot protect Vie from germany Unless they have a deal somehow His one fleet plus one army in Trieste against one army of mine in Rome= I lose Venice It’s not just a matter of who has what it’s where that stuff is, yknow Where's this second unit gonna come from? He will only get 1 build He can take his fleet from Greece real quick https://www.backstabbr.com/sandbox/5727111032078336 Here's a worst case scenario where I don't do _anything_ and he moves to albania in spring Ok, admittely A Ser -Tri would be worse, but that's still not enough to punch through Uhhh lemme think about it man I’m just nervous He is Strong and geography favors him Italy has a very strong defensive position Hey Italy, what's up? I think very soon you, me and england will need to band together or Germany will simply roll over all of us I’m with you 110%- the hun has grown strong It’s a matter of survival clearly What’re you thinking? You gotta come to terms with england somehow Why do I have to do that? Fair enough, I think both england and germany are pretty neck-to-neck to win this winter Yeah I mean it’s over soon ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ It is kinda sad Was hoping to make a come back but didn't get the time Maybe you can kick out france, still? if england supports you England has, tbqh, been a bit of a dick in these closing moves I’ve told him that I’m attacking Portugal and he’s welcome to support me so we’ll see what he does ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (Also, Yeah- you were in a tough fucking spot and you didn’t give up and you played it masterfully- respect my dude 💯) He's going hard for the win. Burning all bridges Thanks for the compliment 🙂 Nah man it’s true!  Would’ve been easy to tune out or make a suboptimal move but you held on as long as you needed to. Yeah, I figured I just needed on ally and Austria would lose... Took a  while And yeah- he berated me for not helping him taking France out, despite the fact that I said we had a turn left to do it Which, I get why everyone wants France gone, but it’s not *that* much money lol Also, it's the better move for you to go this turn, so you don't have to protect spain & por I also noted your army in Tun the whole game. You should've tried to use it :p I think if you had convoyed it to Syr I would've had some big issues much earlier (If you recall) I think the  fact that austria committed so hard on beating me, but not being able to do it, cost him the game Yeah I think you’re right re: Austria!!! And dang that would’ve been smart Yeah I meant to convoy him up to Spain but it never ended up working out Huge waste of resources shit, I should've asked you to support me into Tri then I would've been tied with germany I think because england failed at defense Dang Lol England tho Maybe running around calling people idiots isn’t the best policy idk He barely talked to me