Greetings!  I'd like to keep our options open for working together, I think Austria-Turkey can be a strong early game partnership.  And, with the right conditions - a mid to end game one as well.  Best of luck with regards to Galicia and Trieste, I can let you know if I hear anything. Hi Turkey, Sounds good. Turkey is close to my heart and I know it can be a very strong ally We could always both get 2 builds and stymie Russia. In this scenario, I would only ever build fleets. Obviously it depends on what our neighbors do, but could you trust me that Greece would be a walk-in? Greece may be a stretch. I do need to watch what Italy does. I know, and it's always lovely to promise Turkey support into Rumania and then just let him bounce against Russia while you guarantee Greece.  But if you'd like to work together the trust needs to start at some point between us. I'm sorry, I must've misunderstood your intentions. I thought you meant for me to walk into Greece unsupported Well, I was wondering if you'd be open to keeping Russia out of Rumania.  But that would involve walking into Greece unsupported - unless you thought you could make it to Budapest? My statement was with regards to my fleet on Tri. I may not be able to move it to Gre in time. I may need it to bump Vie Interesting.  I've never seen that before  and would love to hear your thoughts on it.  Though, I assume you mean bump Venice. Yeah that's right It's purely defensive. You think he's going for Tyrolia AND Venice? That is the standard opening against A ughhh. sorry to hear that, brother. Best of luck. I have received no indications from Italy or Russia how they plan to move, I hope any guesses you have to make work out for the best. I’m haven’t done a good AT in a while. Want to make a go of it? So Rum for Gre? Oh. He has 2 support now :/ Not sure what your suggesting our fall moves to be? But, yes. You let me have Greece, I’ll build two fleets, and we’ll get you into Rumania in ‘02. That way your fleet can cover Trieste and your armies can bounce in Budapest. Preliminarily: I'm considering stabbing Gal with Vie, then s Ser Bul - Rum, which could bounce if F sev S Ukr - Rum but that would give you Bla That could work as well. You should chat with others and double back. We can talk on Turkey day. Or, me day. how's it going?  did you have a great thanksgiving? I'd like to coordinate respecting this season's moves.   Here's my pitch.  Let me into Greece, I'll build two fleets, I'll have gotten my "5th build" from Greece and will never ask for another center again.  I mean, how often does Turkey, Italy, and Austria fight over Greece?  Let's just remove that from the equation.  Instead, you either use your fleet to cover Trieste or head into Adriatic.  Boom, my fleets come pouring in, you've got the extra unit for support for the attack on Venice, I'll be in the Black Sea ... we get you into Rumania in '02, maybe you get Venice in '02, and maybe you help me into Sevastopol so that I can keep building fleets.  It's a little unorthodox, but with Italy trying for Venice and Russia in Galicia - I'm trying to be your friend but also pitching something that makes sense for me.  

Thoughts? Really, I wouldn't mind moving into venice at some point but I feel like with this plan I'm sticking my neck out really far. Like ... how far? Cause you need friends, and Italy and Russia (I assume) both lies to you and attacked you. Me? I prefer to find a partner that I’m a principled negotiator. I like to find a partner with whom I can negotiate in good faith. And work with long term.  

A fleet in Greece is great for attacking Turkey, not so much against Italy.  If we have three fleets against two Italian fleets, we can take him.  Quick. Also, if I’m in the Black Sea, I can help you against Rumania. 

I’d ask you to consider this - you can gain two neutrals and lose one of your home centers for a net of four. Or, you can protect your home centers, gain, one, and get position on the guy who attacked you ... and earn an ally. I think that’s a very fair prospect. Ok, clearly you chose the "forget the guy that's trying to negotiate with me in good faith and, instead, I'll drop my pants to my ankles for the guys that are lying to me."  I get it, it's cool.  It doesn't mean I can't get annoyed though.  Let me know if you'd like to negotiate in good faith.  Otherwise, good luck playing defense against a two build Russia.  I'll play defense until I see what's happening. My offer for support in moving into rum still stands. Ok. Would you mind if I also moved my fleet to Aeg? Maybe we force the Ionian (or try to).  I’d like to also work with you against Italy. Aeg is fine. No rum yet? No, I'm forcing RUM with BLA. I think that's the best move., don't you? Actually, I'm planning on moving BUL-RUM, if you'd like to support that.  I haven't heard from you in a while, I hope evertyhing is going well with you!  Did you have a good Thanksgiving? Check that ... I'm using BUL.  Please support! Any idea what Italy is planning? I mean it’s probably good that he isn’t coming for you. This seems like a classic Lepanto opening agreed.  complete with a classic  French butt-@#$%'ing. While that's true, E, G & F seem all too friendly That can't be good news for us no.  it certainly isn't.  can you convince Italy that going against me isn't something you'll help him with?  meanwhile, I think I'll make a go for Sevastopol while you take Vienna! Yes, it does look like R has too many bases to cover Yes, UKR will cover WAR, I think. can you support me to hold in RUM? Or are you actually going to try to take Vienna? I am. So somewhere's gotta give, either Vie or Sev or war Ok.  well, if I cut SEV's support, I'll either take SEV or keep Rumania or maybe both. As long as we take one of Russia's CP, their defense will weaken and we can push further yes. I'm going to have to cover Smyrna, because Italy has shown that he is a one-dotter. It would appear that we both lied to each other. I think we're all in some existential crisis in one form or another now haha well, it's not too late to patch things up.  We only really traded Supply Centers. Also, I can now basically walk into Sev.  🤷‍♂️ We can keep jiggling things around here but France is not going to wait. That’s a you problem. Sorry things didn't work out, I think you played a good game, it's not your fault that Italy shit the bed. Italy chose the wrong time to flip sides. I was disappointed.