actually discovered this because i was following a teacher who was saying that awareness is limitless infinite and so forth and if you extend your attention to the limits of your consciousness you cant find the limit but i can find the limit and uh its actually just this i have a sense that initially when i transitioned i had the sense that the world ended where my perceptions ended so there was nothing beyond these walls and so forth and when i explore that when i initially explored that i had the sense that there was this kind of curved limit like a sphere or like a like a disc and i also feel that if i try to go with my attention to to the limit like try to to sense the end of my consciousness or awareness or whatever


especially the parts where it mixes in with layer two


fullness as a is an attribute of layer three and so you know focusing on sort of a core attribute of layer three is no guarantee that its going to just continue to sort of deepen you further into layer three to the point where that will fall away the safest thing to sort of focus on is a sense of silence or stillness whichever one of those is most relevant to you and that in your experience is sort of thats the thread that sort of runs you know to the deepest point in this particular you know sequence um and so if i were to focus on anything it would probably be um you know to focus on that the other thing that i would focus on is trying to perceive whats on the other side of that boundary


worries about my life in lay one create a vision for my life which i then implement and worry about convinced its right but not at all confident


no creating or dissolving


layer 4 is the home layer of location 4 and later up until this location it tends to be experienced partially and temporarily


something that seems true to a finder in location 3


locations 1


in location 1 layer 4 the morning dew on leaves isnt just water its a reminder of the delicate interconnections within all life


pervasiveness


there is a really kind of deliciousness in that sense of union


thats generally your sense of what you are except when your attention gets very pulled into layer one at which point we dont know for sure whether your identity shifts there or whether just all of your attention is occupied with it and youre not noticing the the space around things


yeah i guess i on my scale was relating the depth of emotion and feeling you know that unpleasant feeling to layer one


layer three in a sense theres i was just having a friend dinner with a friend last night and i said the one thing even layer four i said i which is where i investigate i still have a thing of i care about what people think about me and i say that theres no self well thats just silly but the conditioning and ive looked at it and done spend time with it and its almost laughable in a certain way the way it arises i can see it and i kind of laugh at it but it still shows up so in some sense theres some sense of emotion around that you know so i say yeah so theres what it is for me is freedom um thats why i even say low layer four early location four yeah all of that you know it just continue to deepen and free this to be just whats here


location two


brings a more substantial change and is much harder to miss


mainly joy


life history


it sounds like its a little bit of a mix of each that you can get to the more spaciousness while still remaining in location one


incapable of experiencing personal emotion


personal love there in location two


and its very its not what i am you know like theres no continuity between me and that spaciousness you know i can feel some spaciousness maybe but man theres you know no continuity between me and that and that would be fine that would be a location one layer two type experience certainly fine


layer three thing


you know dangerously out of location two


the personal self has a smoothing function that normally makes distinct processesparts of the mind appear unified or as part of a single coherent self


reported were gone


detachment from the things


then youll be viewing layer three more


just arising


its not always there but as i said a lot of times im just in my mind theres some times that it feels kind of emotionally flat so no its not always there


you dont really have a sense of a look or a location three


i realized that i didnt have to care about that let them just you know have what he wanted and ill have what i want we dont have to have any conflict there just went away


i actually lost it because i was revisiting the material and going to layer two layer three and somehow i couldnt i couldnt go back to to it


warm summer sunbeam


you know that control structure i think really has to be gone in order for you to which is another reason i think you know you have to its sort of location two layer three


richness thats missing


would you say that a quality of aliveness


location three on a holiday for a week with your kids


background field of presence


powerful love oriented nature of location three


experience of that merger


you can just feel the aliveness


dont feel it


strength of selfrelated thoughts


the extensive compassion and ethical training in some spiritual systems may be designed less for seekers and more to condition finders systems to express these more positive qualities once they are subjectively no longer able to act volitionally


youre in location two


kind of a beautiful all loving its like being held um like a warmth a vibrancy a sparkling its not visible its not visible light but can i can appreciate the term luminosity there is a kind of an implication of a shimmering behind things yeah and sometimes yeah thats the kind of divine flavor of it and i can i can appreciate why people would call that the divine if i then start to probe and look at an object and and then start to penetrate into that object at some point it can flip and it feels like its looking back at me and thats what id thought maybe thats what people mean by the panpsychist


the space size of the spaciousness so that in a silence comes first


emptier


liveness beingness


and so perhaps stillness or silence is one direction spaciousness or that sense of it containing everything everything just arising spontaneously within it whatever it is


though finders at this location remain socially adept


but location four feels very dimensional compared to location 7 or 8


how nonduality is experienced it doesnt feel like you see yourself in everything or that type of thing at all


this is almost always mixed with layer 3 in location 3 which gives it the allpervading and revealing qualities


buddhism


so the sensorless quality of nonduality is very deep


aloneness thing is gone


which you can get where theres sort of a sense of ones self seeing ones self


larger spacious emptiness


im not sure how successful that will be because my spreadsheet mainly has where people are at not oh they were wrong about the fact that they werent in layer one


it sounds it all sounds very fundamental wellbeing but not necessarily celestially


path of humanity


you can certainly continue sinking into your deeper experiences of fundamental wellbeing up until that point


between now and once upon a time prior to fundamental well being is that it was a zoom in all the time and thats where identity was always located


involved such a remarkably positive single metaemotion that the absence of emotion


not nothingness


the ego or the annoying roommate in lay one is active and attached to things like thinking emotion and strategizing believing in itself and its importance


and now i think you you know its given you access or just as a function of deepening and fundamental wellbeing whatever it is it has given you access and produced a shift to the to deeper parts of fundamental wellbeing


layer 1 is accessible to a limited degree in location 4 in that there can be a metaawareness of what is happening at layer 1


mind always wants more freedom


here location one has has value for deconditioning but at this point in your process i would be working on really getting established and locations beyond layer one you know after youve got a lot of access and fluidity across the different locations on the matrix you know and youve seen what those can do to that to conditioning you know if theres some stuff that it seems like it might be a good idea to go to location one and see if it can be worked on there and polished off if its like some sticky stuff or it cant be reached for some reason from those higher layers


most of the time grounded pretty solidly there across a good range of it including into experiencing layer three which is fantastic


so pure peace would be have less energy in it less uh because to me peace is more restful whereas this does not feel russell has has energy and its so for pure peace as far as pure joy


i had a big trigger was maybe 2017 2018 and so probably that probably is around when location four became more stable or when i entered i dont know


nonreactive


location three really feels like the peak of humanity and human experience


youve got the spaciousness in layer two which is a very different experience sense of spaciousness or emptiness


layer three has fullness associated with it


in location 1 layer 4 the changing leaves of autumn are not just a sign of the season but a lesson in the beauty of letting go


mindfulness meditation


lot of divinity going


you know when that goes it sort of it collapses it basically its the collapse of it its what happens just before in a way that that a deeper sense of spaciousness and then the collapse or deeper sense of stillness and then the collapse of the whole you know layer three thing basically


disassembled


it just feels like everything is just here


space or that sometimes full sometimes less full


everybodys frozen


you could be a dominant experience when your mind when youre when your system is just relaxing right it can just be zoomed out into its default location that might be like location two layer two


if they want to go back to location three is theyve often spent a lot of time rooting in to nonduality


tension deconditioning practices deepening in sinking in probably sinking into a location three type of experience


single emotion and it feels like love and joy and compassion and maybe a couple of other culturally or religiously conditioned things


lot of love


its not for you its like driving right but you can imagine like if you know youre like really into some sport or something it can be like a holy crap kind of actually happened to me with location two


to layer one function


the combination of a continued degree of access to layer 1 and a very loving compassionate joyous disposition makes location 3 finders wonderful to be around


deep sense of peace


nondual


mean all of these things can also be location one you know you can feel a deeper sense of peace you can feel a very strong really foreground sense of peace in some instances all the time even in location one you know if you have somebody thats been in location one for a long time they didnt have much to decondition before and they havent been in it very long but they just dont have a lot of conditioning or didnt have a strong sense of self to begin with


i do think you can in this case mean youre experiencing locations that are extremely rare so youre definitely not an ordinary case and you do have pk type experiences by location eight and nine


that fullness


so it feels like its outside the fullness trying to poke into it or does it feel like its in the fullness somehow


it feels as though it transcends everything or is somehow more foundational real or permanent than everything else


freedom and exploration or whether its around a sense of really getting to a place where it doesnt matter where im at um or to a place where its like okay this is the sense of fluidity


i found an example of someone who i found inspiring and how theyre navigating the world and it was only one week so who knows if the rest of his life is a mess but somehow energetically and his stability and his ability to pretty much be in grounded in the situation with a great deal of palpable presence and peace so again if i if i was kind of trying to reverse engineer it i was thinking well thats potentially like location three with access to one or location to layer three


i would just try to make layer three a home base by sinking in more and more and more to you know every aspect that you have access to relating to it


perceptual nature of experience just keeps getting less and less and less dimensional


if youre going to follow a path through location two um kind of deepening into the layers to such an extent that it pulls your system


fewer negative emotions tend to arise the further one deepens into location 2 until the internal experience is largely or entirely positive


and so the freedom is so free


falling out all the way out of fundamental wellbeing


joy with the eucharist


location three for that for your breaks and holidays not vacation for vacation four doesnt feel like anything


nonduality thing


whats your experience with layer one


brought a degree of psychological reintegration


you can experience our proto emotions like one would in location four so those are very brief sort of experiences of the what you could think of as the building blocks of emotion or some very sort of foundational experience of emotion


the body itself appears as part of that unfolding and no different from any other aspect of life


im still in awareness immersed in awareness


spacious empty layer two type experience


more spacious


any quality beyond a sense of undifferentiated existence appears secondary and relative and in contrast to existence itself unreal


so its its lately its its its when things are quieting down so its so the last two weeks it has been very very busy so its ive been more in location one


i think its layer three because because of the intensity of it the intensity of the feeling which is im not sure if its an emotion of love but its really this this intense connection you can say or or compassion with with others as well


the general healing work that you described that thats primarily still happening in layer two


no hearer only hearing


everything is in some way kind of made of consciousness


there is still psychological conditioning that can activate positive and negative emotion and push peace to the background however unlike before the transition to fundamental wellbeing all of these experiences arise within the context of everything seeming fundamentally okay even if that sense feels far in the background at times


creating emotional cones


not that you thats looking for that kind of experience so take it or leave it you might have glimpses and decide that is what you want but based on your description it sounds much more like location three would be


the frustration i can understand that makes sense obviously though it is in a way a maturation from a fundamental wellbeing standpoint as well


emotions


like im in the uk and the beginning of lockdown in the uk in 2020 probably i think id got pretty good like in middle age as like at least masking at least like being kind of functional kind of social kind of engaged in a lot of stuff and i think lockdown sort of just took the covers off that and ive really noticed that as it ended i had no real there was no desire to go back to living how i was living before so thats probably the the biggest yeah like the biggest sort of more ongoing shift in terms of behavior


like you are entering layer two its completely missing and user interface but so there was like a real like shit kind of movement or shift from i am the thinker of my thoughts to seeing


like when i met when i meditate or if i do someone noting im always saying im being being a lot


back into location one


love joy emotion sort of side of things


the layer three content or materials are in the courtroom as well


i think in my write up i called it all arising so its just like you know if i look out everythings just there and its just showing up and its just this all ness of everything thats just happening and its happening continuously and theres no its its boundaryless there arent any partitions or boundaries within it and everythings interconnected and interrelated and its its not separable and there is no real


and i did have 1 or 2 experiences of where everything was totally flat and when i looked and thought oh i recognize you but it was gone then the next minute but um i knew based on what you guys had said that thats something that can can happen and i did i did ayahuasca a few years back oldest person there but did have the experience of the luminosity and i also had the experience of a tree talking to me so based on on that i use that sometimes as a thread to go back to that luminosity to start


ground of all being


flip on the visual


but the other answer the layer one answer is really looking in to each one of these things and getting it to consciously in your system separate from im not going to die


mind is still there


perceive the world


presence feels kind of special


that which is aware of the space and the presence and the stuckness like kind of all of them


sometimes people can see better in the dark or things have this shimmering luminous type quality and that type of thing but its all persistent


pervasive love for some people


i am my thoughts and emotions


so it sounds like that experience you had in 2017 um its not entirely clear whether that was location two


like no sound at all


energy sort of beingness


distinct consciousness thats its own


roommates and spouses can find what seem like irrational and imposing demands to be a common annoyance and their counter perspectives met with unyielding expectations by the finder


i at least since i did find this course and maybe before then from other meditations like retreats or techniques


possibly location five


path of humanity wise


deep


centralis and connected


in location 1 layer 4 the touch of a loved one carries with it the warmth of shared histories and the light of unconditional acceptance


foreground of experience nearly all the time


like everything is like liquid type


location three is also very good for deconditioning because of that really very profound universal quality of love it tends to really be very healing and spending some time there will probably also be very good for you if youre working with a lot of conditioning and also the personal emotion that it cant really show up in location three


transitioned to an ongoing state


that could well pull you across to location two


while the finder feels a deep sense of completeness his or her partner still has a narrativeself that thrives on external validation


thing is possible its possible  when i pay attention when i got triggered with negative feelings and thoughts when i paid attention that can be muted and and and the negative feelings become sensations only and the thoughts stop yeah but still i feel happy i may i may feel even a subtle sense of depression yeah so i kind of think im still i got pulled back to layer one


they have generally been interested in people that seem to be able to move things with their minds manifest things they focus on and so forth beyond location 9


if they wind up being nondual with that test then you proceed with the assumption that there in location two


location four and theres the flatness


pervasive field


my suspicion is that your type of person who has a proclivity more towards location one


there is very little sense of an individual self left at the deepest centerless reaches of layer 3 but fragments of the self that formally constituted the complex individual sense of self can still rise into awareness


location three might be that single emotion or it might be some merging with divinity


contractive type emotions


fullness with the presence


consciousness as a field


energy thats kind of infused pervades through everything


life seems to simply be unfolding and it feels like there is no need or ability to take action or make decisions in this location goals dont seem especially relevant though things continue to get done one issue that can occur at any location on the continuum for new finders is a lack of motivation


pursued fundamental


location three theres a distinct subtle sense


wanted to share it but it was just so so beautiful just everything shining with love i mean it was just so im im hoping thats going to be my hook into into location three and then i honestly would love because you know i would really love to be able to serve them all go everywhere but i do have to and thats really not advisable at this stage is it like in terms of making a living and and staying


duality with location one


location four


emptiness doesnt resonate at all


sinking in to the qualities of your current experience that are in the best direction for in this case location three


when i had the shift in the fundamental being it was pretty pretty dramatic actually i mean dramatic but it was very very noticeable


a lot of love and compassion present


it can sort of lock you more into a nondual type of layer three is experience and even more strongly and move you more in the direction of layer four which is not really per se in the direction of location three


and then i started getting fullness and wholeness


finders who have children often say that their transition to location 4 didnt occur until they felt freed from the bulk of their parental obligations whether by the death of their child or simply the child getting married and beginning a family of his or her usually her own


but it certainly sounds like for at least a lot of or most of your life youve been in fundamental wellbeing and that actually really changes the patterns of fundamental wellbeing um because you know ordinarily people go through a certain range of development as an individualized sense of self and then they transition to fundamental wellbeing wherever they transition however they transition and in a way those patterns that were laid down during the individual during the time pre fundamental wellbeing in a way kind of standardize the developmental track across people that are in fundamental wellbeing after that and so what we find when people have been in fundamental wellbeing for their whole life is that its its a bit like the wild


i have emotion


is there still the fullness and are you still the fullness


i think i can create that illusion the illusion that these sensations are distinct and special from the rest of existence and im looking at space and i tell you the main thing why i tend to kind of think i must be in location one because i remember the early descriptions of it


can totally happen um and when youre deep in that sense of fullness and presence does it feel like you are the presence you are awareness


right and thats not an easy thing for them to do youre not in any different position just because youre in fundamental wellbeing youve got an established life self within this i dont know if you were listening to the last call with annemieke talking to someone who was basically kind of new in location three and had lost it it was there for like you know five days or something and then fell out of it and was interested in getting back to it or whatever but one thing that i thought was really interesting that she basically said is that you know as youre going through the location to to location three to location four theres like this progression of the loss of the personal self at location three and then the loss of the non personal self at location four and so even though youre not thinking of yourself as sort of having a sense of self there is a self that sort of has to die to some degree or has to surrender or has to give way just like ive advised you know a zillion people right over your time of helping them to transition to fundamental wellbeing you know


being like a container for whats arising and the stuff thats arising


richness of layer three


self detect this and and self assess quite accurately


but its definitely in the direction of layer four and in the direction of location four


when it is only touched upon temporarily it does not necessarily feel as though it is not a state as it does when it is experienced deeply and persistently because the sense of individual self remains partially intact in earlier locations


communicating more directly with reality


centralist again


joyous things


layer three and location two


theres also the path of freedom and the path of humanity


reduction in selfreferential thoughts both in the direction of layer four and in the direction of location four


pure emotion


location 3 individuals can make amazing partners especially if their fundamental wellbeing deepening did not occur in isolation


pulls everything into it


do you have a single emotion of love and joy and compassion and maybe some other things that are combined and present all the time kind of as one big meta emotion where you have one of those in the foreground at any given point maybe love is in the foreground but theyre all still present and this is a continuous experience its always there for you if they say yes to that then obviously you start to suspect that they might be in location three


it might even feel as if something larger than you is making decisions and taking action through you


meditation


i have this sense of union


for some people this location and layer can feel lonely at first because it feels like there is only this one thing as the experience of a personal self is left behind a sense of meaninglessness or starkness can also accompany this layer and it can bring with it changes in or loss of motivation


in location 1 layer 4 the marketplace is a forum of exchange not just of goods but of ideas cultures and kindness


i was basically doing the layer three thing the whole drive while she was reading one of her stories to me


remaining active describing analyzing


so i decided that i needed to spend more time back in location two and really started focusing on deconditioning


field of love joy compassion


layer two and have an immense amount of activity at layer one


bliss is overrated so thank god that went away


what im wondering about your description there is whether or not one couldnt describe that as still some spaciousness that youre rooted in in terms of maybe not as deep as other spaciousness that youre experiencing but it doesnt sound to me like youre you know very deeply embedded in thoughts and emotions


post transition


packets of energy


of joy or is it the aliveness


empathic psychic stuff you say probably not related to fundamental wellbeing but who knows since i was a child i often knew what other people were feeling or thinking i assumed this is developed because it was needed to survive later as a pastor things like synchronicity and healing ministry played a big part right now i wonder what the relation is of these kinds of things to fundamental well being


in that moment do you think that youre just moving deeper into layer two


individualized portions of their self going away


and then you can spend those weeks really using all those methods and the practices we give you to sink into and explore deepen into layer two


the eucharist


frankly and i havent had experiences like that with the exception of one in the last month i dont really have experiences like that anymore but i do sometimes wonder if im kind of when some conditioning is triggered im getting pulled back into layer one theres more discreet conventional kind of emotional experience and then im able to kind of like slingshot back into location three sometimes i have to be more intentional sometimes it feels just like boom boom ive gone in and out really quick other times i think i have to be more intentional about it and i have to it wheres the peace wheres the love wheres that sense of you know god or the divine and then you know i can transition back pretty quickly


flat


the bustling streets of location 1 layer 4 are overlaid with a palpable sense of silence that quiets the mind


the architecture of location 1 layer 4 blends form and function with mindfulness creating spaces that heal and inspire


field of presence


layer three is still and peaceful


would be in the shadow of forms of fundamental wellbeing is to develop


it wasnt empty its all of a sudden full


big distinction is often in the sense of whether or not there is a union or a merging or a dissolving into or a sameness or you know and and no difference from and i am sort of you know that presence that shows up you know you know to borrow your word from a minute ago channeling jesus you know you know is you know is is there a merger or a union with jesus


this produces the sense of a return to the body in location 4 because it is a return to the raw existence of everything


acceptance


depth of nonduality


youve had that awareness presence all that thing fall away which happens in more or less layer four


as you go into location three


predicting


ive been in layer one for so long


so i would save that one for when you do want to explore location four and just not use it until that point


the location four thing happened when i was aiming for location three


you know obviously if youve been in fundamental wellbeing since i think youre you might have said 2017 or somewhere around there


loss of affinity


memories also tend to arise less because there is an increased focus of attention on the present and because the past is no longer valued as defining the sense of self


a shallow location two with access to layer one


and if weve asked things and youve been like oh it is actually everywhere and it is actually quite centerless so its heading in that direction


fundamental wellbeing we renormalize so quickly you know we have a change and it feels like this amazing thing for like you know a day or a week or you know a few hours or something and then it like becomes the new normal


planning and taking action mostly rely on external stimuli to initiate them as there is no internal drive or energy to do so


pulled out of fundamental object


i would mean that youve already described youve experienced the benefits of layer two to deconditioning and that is something youve you know highlighted as being important to you and something youre working on


right and i think youre going to see probably some continual evolution of that that will bring some more of this location for stuff


um your system isnt necessarily recognizing that what youre experiencing is an entirely different quality of self um of what you are because its kind of like oh well selfs gone


trying to reach beyond this is nothing


location five and six


fundamental for wellbeing for a long time very deepened got into the no emotion sort of place with it you know perhaps


you know everyones system has their own way of in a sense translating you know information that its receiving whether thats sort of becomes visual or it becomes thought or some you know sense sensation


did you get a sense that he is going to layer three


and does the vast stillness have any quality that you would describe as spacious or empty


wellbeing


problem solver


empty space in the headless area um but a lot of my time is spent at work right now and work is have a lot of conditioning to do there extensively and theres a lot of things related to that that i think are either pulling me down at some points


hallmarks of location four motion is obviously one


layer two more spacious more distance more space around thoughts and emotions type of thing um


the experience of everything is reduced to raw sense data and it feels as though it is all just existence unfolding spontaneously


location 2 the positive nature of their emotions continues to increase


so the negative thoughts will stop and the negative feelings will become sensation and and not its not that uncomfortable anymore i can stay with the sensation for a long time


so just to let your ego give you a break theres nothing as far as i can tell from your document from where youre at now based on when youve transitioned youve had many deeper experiences


peace


location four and that kind of process


essentially this is a metaawareness of what is happening in the mind but there is no sense of being able to engage with it like there is in previous locations


although they may not be very good at remembering things


is there a union with the divine


sounds and colors and everything just becomes enjoyable


layer two is a sense


stable


its like its got its own gravitational pull


okay great so do you think when that centralist experience shows up that its a transition from location one


sense of of presence


the pieces of the remaining aspects of the narrativeself that fall away in these later locations are often old deep and very complexly embedded in the psyche


it does come and go yeah yeah but say you like out in the trees probably once a month so thats when its at its peak aw yeah yeah i even felt that in the city actually on the full moon because i went out in the night and rode my bike around the city for 3 or 4 hours and enjoyed the moon over the water


when you land in location five that youre basically playing with fluidity so you sort of laid down a track in a certain direction that your system might follow


but it does sort of have a permeating quality in the space as well


kind of benevolent existence that pervades the spaciousness


but really as soon as you begin to deepen in location two that self begins to fall away


it feels pretty full to me


panpsychism


to a location 4 finder it feels like the debate is just happening it does not feel as if the person as an individual is wrapped up in it


he said that he perceived that i had some old unconscious emotional stuff that hadnt been sorted through and that thats why i was having that experience


layer 3 is probably the vastest of all layers to explore subjectively


thats layer three stuff


divine love


i saw the connection between the cells in the body and where they come from in the body


all of my thoughts went away my mind is so still whatever else compared to the buzzing noise that was before and your normal egoic narrative sense of self


one thing that i think to pay attention to is when you are triggered next does it seem like will it seem like in that moment that if youre introspecting that theres been a shift of identity


i think sometimes i glimpse location three every couple every now and then


and you have location three i think the union experience um weve done you know weve spoken about it describing it if you havent experienced it of course its going to be something sort of hard to imagine


when subjective experience is centered in layer 1 the activity of the mind will predominate momenttomoment experience


probably the use of psychedelics has been whats got me to that place but i also have just feel that felt that expansive sense of divine love to associating with location three layer three


transitioning people


happy kid


i wouldnt say theres been too much of a change in wellbeing


i had a mystical experience where the light came into me and just threw me into ecstasy describing a sense of the divine in location three


negative emotions


far from humanity


when something is very beautiful there is still this sense of im noticing its very beautiful


feels like everything is just here


happy


theres no sense of divinity or anything theres no sense of panpsychist thing all there is things become very very alive everything is full of life and theres a joy i was thinking about love actually just this morning and theres really no sense of love because theres not a sense of other to be loved


mind is much more quiet


layer 4 the raw experience of existence itself is rare and difficult to access from location 2 and it is nearly impossible to stabilize


like a sort of low energy state with the you know no emotion or very low affect and then yeah lack of motivation or ability to act upon intentions and a real no agency wouldnt necessarily involve you not doing anything would just feel like youre just watching it happen


the mind content that buzzing is you know been pulled away from even more


glitch


it is fantastic


produces any potential cognitive dissonance around that is the direct experiences that unfold


the universal or divine lovejoycompassion tends to increasingly drown out personal emotion including personal forms of love until only one positive metaemotion of love joy and compassion remains


nondual type experience


whatever thought processes precede it are at a level of the system that is out of subjective awareness


what about the the the stuff in layer four like a sense of flatness of perception the sense that theres sort of just this


location seven


a sense of of presence


it feels beyond states and experiences


deep sense of impersonal love


the night sky in location 1 layer 4 is a canvas of cosmic art each star a reminder of the vastness within and beyond


at location 2 these are much less likely to be identified as personal versus as just arising in a more impersonal way they also are more likely to dissolve spontaneously and rapidly


deconditioned neutral emotional relatively emotionally neutral or whatever kind of deeper layer one type experience


in location two you obviously still have personal emotion in all likelihood or personal love


sense of there not being a separate seer only


layer one when im talking with people


my suspicion is that you probably are shifting between location one


am in a spacious empty


the actual structure i mean and i dont mean like in the neuroplasticity kind of way but like in some deeper fundamental way like brain stem like messing with your brain stem kind of stuff


however if i dont really have to i can sink in pretty deep but i think i can reach into layer three of location two


layer one in lay one is existential focusing on meaning and purpose with thought streams and highs and lows in energetic variation


i would say play to your strengths for the moment write what you have access to that is further than layer one location one


theres nothing thats really forcing them to get along with people anymore


so you can still have your sense of identity or a sense of what you are be you know the associated with layer three


people can have whole sides of their body go limp and be inoperable for periods of time basically anything involving motor function sensory perception type things theres often a sense that like someone has to learn to rehear or you know even retaste or there can be these like just almost like all sensory learning just sort of falling apart and what we think is happening there is that the senses of self that are involved that are falling away at location six are very deep theyre very old they were basically coming together at the same time that sensory learning was happening


location 4 finders say they do not have a sense of agency individuals at locations 2 and 3 can also comment that there is no doer this is related to the earlier discussion of there being no seer or hearer etc


peak experience


bubble of my being it feels in a way more pleasant


and location four


the hustle of location 1 layer 4 is underlined by a pervasive peace turning the act of living into a meditation in motion


spaciousness never really resonated even in jazz emptiness well just theres silence


that type of thing is also typical of location six


some deal with lowlevel processes such as how the senses come together to create experiences and even fundamental body life support breathing heartbeat etc


so they dont have any fluctuation of emotion


memory deficits scheduled


thoughts are often very brief or half formed


and just focus on layer two


mental activity still dominates subjective experience


in location 1 layer 4 health is holistic encompassing physical mental emotional and spiritual wellbeing


from the perspective of layer 4 there is no separation or distinction of any kind


sense of divinity


so much love


as you might imagine the divine what one might associate with the divine but without necessarily it feeling divine in nature people who get that panpsychist version of location three


bare stillness


space perceiving


field of awareness disappears


so did it have a sense of senselessness


sympathy and positive regard


well right now the conversation is happening in the presence the presence is the bigger thing so now im trying to remember like i think its the opposite way around so theres more sort of like i am the whatever that personality is or i sort of believe it more


actually made up of that spaciousness


love is impersonal


vipassana


most systems that target location 4 and later tend to hold a belief that the mind layer 1 is something to get away from and as someone deepens it does tend to become less accessible


emotion kind of the mind


any form of nondual perception


human experience


decline in any way over time


location nine


oh im in location three and i have the meta emotion and ive got the sense of the divine and they might be saying things like you know i am the divine and i might have said well does it feel like a union or you are it oh i am the divine


i feel like im perceiving or aware at my most foundational level where my attention is most of the time


these watcher lookers


we dont know if its promising from a transition standpoint but we certainly know that its promising from a meditation standpoint and its looking increasingly like certain substances are going to match up to certain types of meditation and things like that and so i think theres a distinction between if one is doing it you know from a healing standpoint and a therapeutic environment of some kind or at a micro dose level versus just continuing to sort of you know flood the brain with some sort of breakthrough dose for some kind of consciousness expansion type of thing we we weve just seen so many adverse fundamental wellbeing


layer three of location two and still be very much personally in love with someone


location four layer four is great if youre already independently wealthy and you can just you know go and be location four without a worry in the world


self is that yeah the reflection on experience which itself produces experience and all the qualities of experience which is why you know when you sense into whats beyond layer three it feels like its unknowable or a mystery or without qualities


more often youre getting to it in some sort of intentional way with practices and meditation and and whatever else


whether old or new


experience of senselessness might


layer one through


five


fullness in the presence


dont have a lot to say about it it that that feels like a bunch of conceptual overlay that i want to get away from it just feels good it feels well spaciousness im coming at it from the layer three it just feels very full and beautiful and and its just good okay


most people will never make it there


its sort of like the problem with people saying theres no doer and that theres the doer can sort of go away and location two


so this and i think most christians have a more temporary experience of that theyre not as rooted in to location two layer three and you know their prayers occasionally work i think when they work theyre closer sort of in that type of direction or whatever and so you can you can maintain fluidity use location to layer three like that and not you know not have to lock that in for any period of time


alternating presence


strong psychological triggers such as the death of a loved one can still cause a reaction in the system but for the most part there is persistent equanimity and joy


sensing into the situation


they happen from within the context of fundamental wellbeing and not from and so that often makes people who are in fundamental wellbeing go one of two routes some of them will basically become more or less recluses while theyre growing up you know i mean they will not really socialize with other kids


music in location 1 layer 4 is a bridge to the ineffable notes and rhythms echoing the harmony of the cosmos


peaceful abandonment


layer two with a whole bunch of other people who are immersing themselves in layer two at the same time


feeling of something here that is perceiving


the magical sense is arising and becoming more foreground and its starting to feel like theres a miraculous quality to everything


popular term for this change in perception is nonduality or not two


world was unable to be any other way


it all sounds like location four


location two layer three the charmed life kind of thing is to have things come to you if that can be used as a phrase or at least using the agency to kind of make that happen


nothing is gained


essentially comprises the conceptual mind


very mind oriented


seer or a looker


which from where i was those questions sounded ridiculous they had no meaning because at the time every time those questions would come up would there was just like an of course like i didnt use this languaging or these words in response to that but the but the response was in effect im here like i wouldnt be here if i didnt care about you or if you werent important so i mean there was like a really deeply ingrained sense that yes youre important and wouldnt be here showing up otherwise and yet he was really feeling bothered and dont know if would say threatened but the kinds of things that he was looking for love care and affection god that probably wasnt affectionate when you think about it


call 3d normal processing its also habitual it helps me make sense of other experiences and it feels really very grounding that i can im more think when im when im using the physical eyes instead of other ways of seeing i its easier to to be with other people and just navigate this existence but dont identify right it doesnt feel like the sphere is personal but it seems to be a way to to use this physicality


creation reality the dream whatever is the stuff of the spaciousness is the stuff of the emptiness is the stuff of the spacious emptiness


layer four experience


sensation which is separate to other universe mind bodies in a sense this is where ive got to be very careful because you know with the with the medicine journeys like the and i dont know whether this is the different like layers locations and so on but ive had so many different experiences there


an individualized sense of self were reported as


thats one direction that people can take she very much took one direction and then another direction you know in a way more like you or many others even my mom


it felt like my vision was going back like like something was wrong with my vision um so thats the only the only thing it just seems to mean it cant be more flat but you know whatever that sort of you know sense of just you know no extension you know it again it seems like there can be extension but its not the default at all you know like i said i wake up i wake up and everythings flat


nervousness and the spaciousness


planning and execution of actions


so in the fullness just feels really full


i dont know and theres still theres an awareness that never goes away that im not this right this is well this is a way to interact and interface and uh but its an extraordinarily confining uh oh compression so you know i really i really value the research orientation of your work which is what drew me to the body of your work and ive been trying to fit myself into the matrix because i know that theres lots of excellent data in it um and and honestly i just im struggling against the binary distinctions it feels it feels odd


its actually like a mona lisa smile its like a little tiny smile its you know and so i think for that theres at least layer three where theres a warmth in the system but its never personal


layer one level


im not im not you know concluding this yet but it does look like that that description is more layer two


joy and happiness


location three its like they sink more into some aspect of the qualities that hold them in location three at layer three you know and they dont quite get to you know the the progression from layer four and then location four kind of standpoint


do you have you ever had an experience where your sense of self shifts in the direction of that spaciousness


obviously on location three in the sort of the degree of it that you have which is a very sort of worship y you know intense in a way kind of experience of of the divine aspect of it you know theres all sorts of encounters with things that can be like reported as angels and stuff like that so basically entities are not a strange thing to have reported people dont usually say theyre extraterrestrials but i dont know whats going on in the brain per se around that but my guess is you know different you know different representations of whatever showing up for different stuff i remember this years ago i was back


have a presence


nondual side


you know shift me in there or if i should focus on the love feelings first and then


a panpsychists an all pervasive consciousness


highly sensitive to light


single emotional expression


you say that when youre doing the medieval mystical chant you feel very centered and connected with divine spirit


false identities


there was a learning period where you were maturing as a human being and during that learning period it seems that the individualized self which comes on seemingly around two and a half to three and a half years of age with episodic memory coming online in the brain it seems like what happens there is that these things kind of smear together


with layer four


its looking from here out


turn your attention back to fundamental wellbeing


it will most likely just feel like a physiological sort of response that used to form into a more complex emotion if its very strong there might be some emotion that arises but it will probably feel like its arising as sort of part of or somehow transparent to that universal love joy compassion meta emotion


larger than and to extend beyond the physical


everything turns into flatness


personal development training in where love was


but i think one thing that your layer one could do it would be nice your mind could do that would be nice and that you could do maybe in terms of reminding your mind would be to just be okay accepting more of your experience without all of this second guessing


no longer that total nondual sensory


analogies and putting others down


this difference in where subjective experience centers appears to underlie the split in development after location 4 layer 3 has a quality of being beingness that falls away at layer 4 hence finders on the path of humanity return to experiencing a subtle quality of self


in all likelihood


felt like it was something that i was observing or looking at now im being a little bit i dont know it just feels yeah im sort of you know im sort of sort of losing a little bit but yeah so maybe theres a bit more separation again now like its something im observing


transparent


spaciousness sounds more accessible than emptiness


zen


i dont know if id call it resonance i would call it like  i can be there


seems like a very nice place to be a sense of divinity all the time you know loving your its you know youre happy very happy and so on and youre still able to interact in the world


meta emotion


no selfreferential thoughts


just not say a word oftentimes or whatever right and they would just eventually stop talking and to sort of turn around confused and walk away or something like that


it doesnt sound like you have a very clear memory of that experience of union or dissolving into the divine so it might still have been location two


transitioning


i really do like i said i have a charmed life


layer three can have that sort of you know emotional joyous amazing valence to it love based whatever valence


prisoner and selfconsciousness all went away


everything is just kind of arising on its own


vast emptiness


so thats sort of after layer two


empathy


sensory glitches


sense of of union


even bad memories are often biased towards positive emotion


for some people location one is really where they prefer to be


presence permeates the space


container of that spacious emptiness


thinking is happening but without taking any form no image no sound no movement


worries about my life in lay one create a vision for my life which i then implement and worry about convinced its right


these protoemotions can also be consciously manipulated to prevent the full emotion from formingusing our previous example of getting upset when cut off in traffic individuals who have this ability to perceive a finer level of detail and gain control over what layers arise also have more control over their reactions


full related space or a more emptiness related space or something like that


it is common for layer 4 to be experienced as an unknowable or a mystery this is partly because one is unable to deepen into it and stabilize in it and partly because it cannot be known objectivelyor even subjectively in the usual sense


attention is centered more in the present in direct experience rather than thoughts about experiencewhen layer 1 is no longer front and center in experience the overlay of labels concepts and interpretations on the beingexistence of everything falls away


there is still a subtle duality or separation perceived between form and formless manifest and unmanifest which increasingly fades at greater depths of the experience


no divinity


you know a depth of layer three that just releases something thats


glitchy things


because three is not a nondual location


think youre not in fundamental well being


three nonduality again at location four


i think yeah its more like the things are there and i can also when i close my eyes see colors or just theyre just there its not its just there i think there are times during my day when that shifts or changes when im really engaged in work or something but right now it just feels like its there


right so should also be trying to pull myself out of like nonduality or like like get more into being a looker or something or is that more like location one then


sense of union with the divine


um so really focusing on the love joy compassion elements of your experience as well as the sense of the divine um and really deepening into that probably it wouldnt be a bad idea for you to use some methods that are tuned to location three


in location 1 layer 4 morning light carries a deeper silence illuminating not just the space but also the inner realms of awareness


fully paralyzed for periods of time


practical and intellectual functions are intact for the most part


hints of and direct references to location 4 and beyond are also found in other religious and spiritual traditions especially ones that were less likely to put adherents to death for sharing their experiences


layers one


the laughter of children playing in location 1 layer 4 carries echoes of timeless joy touching the hearts of all who hear


fullness or awareness


overwhelming temporary experiences


way to influence it


thinker or the thoughts


there is this curiosity about the things that i experienced and whether it is what you call celestial or its something entirely different so thats why i mentioned it


well so when i when i sing sink in um and theres more of a sensation of just energy uh not so much of physicality anymore just just energy and it kind of merges with everything around me just theres a sense of oneness it does feel light it does feel yeah light um and perhaps even luminous much more of a sensation than something very physical if i if i bring up some visuals around that it feels like and it looks


in location 1 layer 4 the natural world resonates with a mystical quality making every leaf and stone seem alive with purpose


location three is no personal emotion


physiological kind of experience of anxiety can just persist in a shallower form of fundamental wellbeing


psychic stuff


experience of freedom


freedom is really big for me and i have thought when when im at layer four or whatever i could see that i would want to go on easily i could easily see that i would the path of freedom seemed like


frustration


it could be that youre that youre okay living from location one that that is the life integrated place that you want to actually live from even though you know you have beliefs that are different than that or you feel a pull maybe thats different than that from a fundamental wellbeing standpoint right


dimensional flatness


location 1 was primarily marked by the sense


union with the divine god etc


i came across this this test on your website that is like asks ten questions and then tells you if youre in the middle of being or not and i remember at the time i was thinking that im probably not in fundamental wellbeing because i was just going through all this heavy conditioning that i was working with and it just wasnt fun


flatness absolute


kind of gliding around


the reason i would call it nonduality is because theres a slight memory of what it was like to be dual and its almost like a faint imprint and its not i guess because its not there and theres greater connection almost like my eyes are slightly glazed over or like in like no subject object or out or less


the compassion unity and love make connection with others natural and enjoyable


so i dont i dont need any more love or bliss or any of that


its localized


about later locations five six


some people will transition to usually layer one


weighing


it sounds very plausible i think being lonely is one thing if i just sit there in my apartment you know and become more and more still and around boredom or being boring


youve got you have a sense of spaciousness


um so when when it pulled you when you were kind of or you just feel like you were just watching sort of your mind thinking oh this is location four i shouldnt stay here too long


i was you know felt just you know just really being in love with life and you know just you know had trained myself cognitively you know to do so and just really happy and in love with life


active mind


i suspect you are probably you have probably touched upon layer four and location two for a while


include very lowlevel brain processes


i think that there is some deconditioning that needs to happen in layer two because i was in layer two when that traumatic event happened


a finder in location 2 who learns about location 3 can pursue it and usually get there


pulled back to probably layer one


the advantage is location three feels fantastic and a lot of deconditioning can happen there that is kind of special in a way to location three because of the absence of personal emotion and yet the presence of such a all comprehensive love and all of that and so that can have a very profound healing effect on conditioning that is otherwise more difficult to take care of so yeah there are definitely benefits of location three in and of itself


normal enhanced functioning of the mind


in reality they are sinking in to deeper experiences of location 1 layer 2 and then being pulled back to a more shallow experience layer 1 by the habitual patterns in their attentional systems these habit patterns can be changed over time with consistent interruption and reorientation of attention although this can take more effort to do from location 1 than a later location


the energy


when youre in location two for instance you do believe it


thats separate thats different than the fundamental wellbeing


connection to divine


i have very little emotion now apart from you know just a lightness um dont really get angry even if i if something upsets me its over almost before it starts um i dont really get attached to anything ive lost a lot of sense of memory or worrying about the past or think about the future im much more in the moment um and id be tempted to say location too except i dont have that nondual aspect i dont feel like ive got that i dont feel that theres someone here really i know that theres no one here like an individual entity watching but it still seems like theres a center here so if i look back i cant say yeah its its difficult to and i can step away from that as well so i can see it myself arising and i can see whatever else is arising as well so for example when i wake up in the morning there is no me at all its just quite nice very pleasant just sort of feel myself sinking into the body feeling the sensations and then it might be a little while it might be i dont know its probably only minutes but you know then a thought will pop up and then it kind of another thought and it might be about yesterday or tomorrow


now i want to go to location three more because just to confirm that i was there but if and if i wasnt there then even more i want to go there


you know you never quite know how these things are going to play out when the jumps occur for the first you know times but yeah theres theres heading in the direction of layer four and through it to location four


it infuses experience most of the time


temporary experiences


love love love love love


you know you have a proclivity to bringing that in to second guessing everything to all of that of course thats you know heavily influenced in your layer one


fullness to experience


personal emotion


but then your second point was getting some fluidity to layer two which given that deconditioning is something that is important to you and that youre working on thats probably a good idea


tell tale mono emotion that is indicative of location three or if thats just merely a sensation


i have some agency


but not as regularly accessible as potentially layer three fullness i would say lets talk about the fullness for a minute


layer two its more like i dont have that kind of feeling at all


you know youre being triggered down or it could be down to layer two


feel less tired and way more excited about the natural world


absolute


duality of location one


least spaciousness still from location one


but then at the same time the other theres like another perception oh that location to me is still a separate me and then that thing thats looking at that you can see that theres a greater sense of nonduality thats possible


until youre feeling deeper or more stable in fundamental wellbeing


communicating reality


love and the forgiveness


when i take the eucharist and its in my mouth and im swallowing and then i go back to the pew and then i sit down and then all of a sudden theres just even even when im there at the rail it can start that i just feel its like joy coming from


this can lead to increased isolation that is selfimposed but viewed as more desirable than having a lot of story driven


so i guess i had thought fluid location five with also knowing how to hang out in the charmed life place for a bit


love and joy and compassion parts of layer three


you mentioned that it feels like the presence is equally present everywhere


sense in being in my head and it definitely it went away it went away during the headless way week or after


a lot of methods work in the mind and they actually reinforce layer one and in some way resolve the conditioning at that level but not necessarily at deeper levels


all of that is is much more likely to show up with layer three than it wouldnt be


i have experienced layer two


mind is very quiet


its that all pervading beingness its that mist its the field


layer one sort of sense of self type of stuff that youre paying attention to there


realize theyve moved onto the continuum until they transition to a later location


nicer to people


youre in fundamental wellbeing which it seems like you are what that basically tells me is that you know theres this much depth that you can look into and youre looking here and describing here and you havent quite maybe developed the degree to describe whats deeper down under here you cant even like you know sense that everything is okay or peace or or whatever else down here


hearted love type of thing


you seem to have a pretty good penchant for a range and fundamental well being


greater degree of interface sort of with whatever reality is from a sense of agency


aloneness


not being able to connect properly to my family


location four system is quite


location three is really appropriate versus a location two


thinks is right and important


transcend


doing my part as a part of the universe


the dynamic energy of location 1 layer 4 is balanced by a profound inner calm like the eye of a storm that moves but remains still


so the sensations of energy rising gets really strong like a bliss rising that starts to happen again and it gets really strong


subjective experience is centered in a deeper layer and is watching the processes at layer 1 happen rather than being embedded within them resulting in mental activity feeling more impersonal and spontaneous this means that it typically feels more equanimous and spacious than in location 1


it sounds a little bit like you might in a way you sound like almost locked in to layer two


trust in how things are arises and the boundary or maybe even sometimes a little over into that experience becomes less salient but sometimes god takes the last step and thats relevant for layer four


yes so it not lasting long that isnt necessarily an indication of it not being location four because you could have just had a temporary experience of location four


youre experiencing it


true thats a tricky name okay well all that all that comes up to say would be related to that self dropping away which i think because of your experience with helping people shift out of the personal sense of self um and seeing that from the other side um you can probably um sense into in some way uh so theres the personal sense of self which is really constructed conceptually and what youre experiencing is what one could consider an impersonal sense of self in that there is beingness or presence you wouldnt say that theres you know that you dont exist or something um but its not personal in nature its universal in nature it is you know in union with all being with the essence of all being um and when that disappears theres obviously a disappearance of even the quality of being or beingness theres like just existence without that condition because being is then perceived to be a condition that would imply that you know what what existence is subject to a condition of being and it feels just more fundamental or absolute than that but the the self is essentially what remains is that which reflects on experience so im not talking about the mind having an interpretation of experience but simply that which kind of reflects on experience and has therefore got the sense of i exist i am but also produces relationship and so thats this is really


for the most part you might be touching on you know an aspect of layer three if theres really a strong sense of aliveness thats not just in the body but thats pervading you know that spaciousness or that space so the space has a quality of being infused with aliveness if thats your experience then that may be touching on you know beginning to have a smear of layer three


even in solitude residents of location 1 layer 4 feel a profound connection solitude serving as a bridge to universal oneness


much lower energy pretty absent motivation um just kind of its i associate the emotionless with just drifting um but not in a distasteful way but just in a feel very downshifted um unmotivated um low energy just kind of a blob but not unpleasant


sensory experience


the sense of safety so theres just a sense like something is going to go wrong at any minute or is going wrong


i have the general general idea of how that works but its exactly its with love


primarily centered in layer three


and the same with location four would seem less nondual in some


its like a its a way it can be a way of pulling your attention almost back into that more foundational layer of of awareness


in location three fundamental okayness is almost always in the foreground describing a sense of the divine with a mystical experience throwing me into ecstasy


merging


i was going to say that the stillness feels like home


feels transparent


not the nothingness


the relentless pace of life in location 1 layer 4 is counterbalanced by moments of timeless being where nothing needs to be done


sensory and motor and motor glitches


mix of personal and impersonal emotion whether people can sense that or not depending on how deep they are


how do i do anything


its more like spaciousness and yeah when im deep in there its like im this space im just this space and everything is arising in it even me


so like a sense of just being more present with the body


still some emotionally charged thoughts


then you probe for nonduality


seekers


ive been conscious of energy increasingly for a while but i used to feel like a separate entity and now i just feel like theres a field of energy and i am also energy that is part of that field but i can also pass through the energy its


meta emotion of love joy and compassion


then really the differentiator for location five is the visual effects


it isnt heavily invested in protecting the narrative sense of self


oddness


location four layer two when youre really locked into it just feels like some intense dark night of the soul you know maybe the most intense dark night of the soul experience that you could possibly imagine


the freedom at location four


they are the universe not a being who is confined to a body to them it makes perfect sense that if this is true they should be able to perceive as the entire universe


so many people who think that theyre either not experiencing fundamental well being


layer three is going to add so much more freedom


moments and so basically when you come out of the narrative mind you start to fill the mind moments that the narrative mind filled with sensory mind moments and so that can also account for the for the luminosity thing it doesnt necessarily have to be it can be a combination of what you said but when you when you were talking about it i was like oh it could be a mind moment thing just because you know theres more moments of sensory experience in the conscious experience


more comprehensive form of nonduality occurs at this stage


deconditioning and reconditioning


then because theres enough of the mind of the mind or layer one still active and still kind of youre still associated with it that its kind of like reacting to its own perception


like im actually experiencing some of that right now im experiencing some of that anxiety right now i feel it like theres some sort of its like a performance anxiety kind of thing


if you compare any of those experiences to location four it will they will see much less nondual than if you in location four


so you can absolutely experience that if theres a strong enough trigger it can be very intense and you can experience that without identity and necessarily shifting into it it can just be something thats so strongly triggers conditioning in the system that it sort of absorbs all of your attention and it strongly impacts the system you know whether its your physiology or your cognition all of that its still a biological system somethings triggered it you know its some button thats been pressed in terms of probably safety survival and the systems reacting and that can be very intense but it doesnt necessarily mean that youve shifted into layer one in terms of your identity being


yeah its definitely not going to reach your level but that doesnt mean its not impacting your actions and the decision making lower down at layer one


i think youve got good access to layer two already and you can be fluid to it if you want to


encased in gelatin


can imagine that as you are rooting and layer three


merging feeling


the stillness is simultaneously infused with a profound quality of fullness especially in location 3


so in layer two i think sometimes im affected by my sister has also taken this course and her descriptions of that sense of unity


fundamental well being feels like resisting


temporary peak experiences


and layer three when your eyes are closed


layer three its like you go there and its just immediately gone


does the joy feel personal


if perception you know if it doesnt go to all of a sudden theres a looker and a here and theres a you here highly localized and everything else is way out there and its at a distance and its all separate objects


fluidity into layer three


perceptual abilities that that can show up for some people whether theyre in or not in fundamental wellbeing


so its always functioning from a kind of separate perspective if youre paying attention to it


in location 1 layer 4 the physical boundaries that confine us seem less rigid inviting a sense of expansion beyond the tangible


more pervading


changes in goals and motivation and expanded sense of self are more present moment focus and theres a mix of positive and negative thoughts


often this sense was in the background


joy or love or any emotional components


location four youve had a lot of exemplar stuff and tlc stuff and you know


single positive meta emotion of love


a temporary experience of fundamental wellbeing


location three layer three


all pervading field or beingness or a type of business or life


and everything arises is objects and the subject is this space which is me so it is the


theres a quietness theres a vividness to the visual field things look more beautiful theres more appreciation was kind of a question that kind of had for you is it feels like for me beauty is a little bit of a gateway when i notice and im not talking about something that has to be you know prototypically beautiful but just like the pot sitting in the kitchen that suddenly look beautiful and


is everything


that experience can become one sole experience of any interaction with layer one


layer one from a layer one standpoint


they are watching


emotion isnt gone


empty spaciousness


theyre actually in fundamental well being


meaningful relationships


i can use love conventionally because it makes sense to other people


intrinsic to the unfolding


and and to that point so what i mentioned earlier with the teachers ive been working with and really working with one of my buddhist teachers thats the person i was referring to really made a huge difference and also my ability to access nonduality but a big emphasis there was feeling emotions


tilted considerably


space that youre experiencing as kind of the locus of the seeing


layer one i can the thoughts and emotions seems very impersonal


joy and deep peace


sort of the pinnacle of human experience


super joyous and love


and when i go deeper into layer two there is also this really deep sense of quietness its like an inner silence and an outer silence


they could take any action of their own


they just trigger some thoughts that kind of spin around that trigger


you know and you do have very ready access to at least layer two


all pervading quality


i have no idea but i sense sound that doesnt appear to be audible to other people right so its not coming in from here but when im zoomed out im aware that even in these spaces that i move through where think the typical word would be silence theres actually booming sound theres maybe sound isnt even the right word maybe frequencies i dont know so i feel less confined when it comes to processing sound


layer three is sort of the home base for location three


stimulus can arise


sensations are protoemotions


so this is a great opportunity you know in your case because thats a big difference being you know going between layer two of location two


fluid or experiencing one layer


the sense of union with divinity or the panpsychist sense makes layer 2 in location 3 feel less detached and alone than it can in locations 2 and 4


but i think i probably got good access to to layer three and lie three ive always felt alive three im fairly easily never really felt lied to but through this exercise i could i could feel i could feel lied to a bit more


expanded sense of self where my attention is most of the time feels more real than anything previous


okayness the beingness


it feels like it is everywherethere is nowhere it is notyet it is not localized anywhere and it does not have spatial dimensionality


festivals in location 1 layer 4 celebrate not just seasonal changes but the transformations within marking rites of passage for all


mystical experience


going about my day and suddenly ill be in layer one without ever having made a decision


if i sit and just kind of zoom out i do feel something like i would describe it as a mist an invisible mist but its everywhere right and if i if i place my awareness on it i can draw that warmth into myself


and so theres a gravity thats you know making you want to experience fundamental wellbeing a certain way instead of experience that more constricted state that goes along with where headless way usually put someone and you just have to decide you know im going to ignore that gravity


no thought feels true or important


but in layer three it does become infused with more like again this bubbling energy with this joy and more softness its also a kind of openness but its more communicative with the environment its like more sensitivity and more energy and it can turn into joy also and gratitude things like that


emptiness aloneness


it feels like a nondual location three like a super nondual three like a location three


it but it was very vibrant it was very impactful you know it wasnt and it was very serene it was much more a sense of deep serenity


layer 2 is one of the classic location 2 experiences that is described in spiritual literature and is regarded by many as the end of the path


or location two


just joyous


radiance or fullness


sense of expansion rapid expansion


deeply into nonduality and location two


lead to a form of intolerance


expressionless automaton


its very open and very and empty is the best word


i think what im calling the emotional experience of pure peace would have more spaciousness


deep sense that everything is perfect as it is


without that sense of you know a looker and all of that its and self behind the eyes and all of that its you know its going to be location too so we know were in location two which is what i would expect


the mind it feels you know kind of much less noisy more quieter you know silent and still and some of those spacious


stillness does it feel like the spaciousness contains everything or where is the spaciousness


fullness can feel very energized


youre not in fundamental wellbeing


this can lead to a wide range of outcomes from extraordinary life results to some of the amoral behavior observed in late location teachers


still have agency


but with positive emotion rather than neutral


really good feeling


theres a flatness


get as deeply as you can into fundamental wellbeing


i can see you would so how accessible is layer two for you


the most distinctive quality of layer 1 in location 4 and later is that the mind is experienced as functioning autonomously


i would say im in layer two


its a just the awareness whether its it seems to be really full these days like and then i can see theres emptiness there but then i dont i dont think i stay in the like layer two emptiness for long


well it annoyed the heck out of layer one


physical laws of physics


they would be viewing layer one


these individuals typically report having no sense of agency nor any ability to make a decision


and so this is a method of deconditioning that simultaneously deepens your fundamental wellbeing because youre sinking in


from the perspective of layer 4 every level of experience and state of perception including the emptiness of layer 2 shows up as the unfolding of pure existence


the foundational aliveness or life in everything


but it is important to note you have little selves in there something is arising right back when youre at location one


memories spontaneously arise less often


this sense of union underpins the subtle duality of location 3 and deepening into location 3 feels like deepening into an increasingly complete union with the divinepanpsychist presence in which any sense of individual self progressively dissolves


sense of judgment


you know just sort of working on our own fundamental wellbeing so to speak exploring our own awareness and consciousness and all of that


the only thing that you havent had happen in layer two is there is something that can happen where the where the center sort of falls away you do have a very centered system still and you can sort of progress yourself through layer two to a degree of detail where the center can fall away there thats like a layer two center just like a center can fall away


delight


at the deepest reaches of layer 3 it feels like a centerless allpervading field or presence without limits flowing through and as everything


love to just be no agency


layer 2 is not readily accessible in later locations which tend to gravitate strongly to layer 4


i feel better now and i want to move towards more stillness and


joy and love


everything is just you know arising


almost like a place of belonging


as the phone is gone you now your stomach again its just like are you the body you know and all im trying to do is see if there is some actual fluidity here of identity or if generally speaking youre rooted in you know layer three and all of this other stuff is being experienced through it and i actually view the sinuses and the nervousness and all of that as a great benefit to have in this session because its kind of an extreme of sorts and so if you still have the fullness during those then we can say pretty confidently okay youre probably pretty well rooted in the fullness


location one im a little more worried about my life my health people around me those those thoughts come up more yeah like those are the thoughts my internal dialogue


would call divine is this presence and with that is that love and joy and compassion


i can remain in layer three


you know i think i would ask myself what would happen if you know in a random interruption exercise um i was going to sink into that joy and try to sink into you know layer three


separation


nature or you know


strong sense of presence


universal compassion love


my ego


the layer four


youre not at some early primitive spot in fundamental wellbeing


theres strong evidence that some hindu and buddhist sects have been aware of location 4 for hundreds of years possibly longer


depression participants reported that even


its not just in my head but i do forget a lot you know these are temporary


love and joy


nonduality can be tested at a perceptual level like this in terms of how its showing up and because things are just appearing to you you know auditorily and visually you at some point have had a transition to location two


not sacred or not divine


everything is in everything


extraordinary amount of experience and depth and understanding


sense of an aware presence that is observing everything or silent observing of everything thats happening


other stuff is very clearly out there somewhere


field of awareness


the thing about all the things that youre mentioning is that they really you know for someone else could be something that might you know trigger them going to a lower location or something like that but theyre not necessarily things that would hold someone in a location you know like you can be in location one layer two as your dominant experience and still have you know triggers that pull you down to layer one or something but nonetheless be anchored you know at a higher layer than that or even over in location two


in location 1 layer 4 each step taken is a dance with the earth a rhythmic grounding that connects the soul to the soil


totally path of humanity


youre coming up theoretically somewhere on the end of your first seven year cycle and fundamental well being


just kind of just is its it has a sense of awareness like it knows everything its theres nothing that can its outside of time and space and yet okay its in everything it sees everything it knows everything it theres nothing where it isnt yeah it doesnt fit thats why it doesnt feel like a container to me when i look at that way


yeah right not sameness in that sense right sameness in the sense of the the presence that that is experienced here right and so from a layer three standpoint theres some kind of presence and all pervasive presence theres generally that emotion or theres different layer in location three theres always that emotion


psychic intuitive empathic


more purely fundamental wellbeing type


so a lot of that sounds like its not its not you know dramatically changing where you are in fundamental wellbeing but its certainly accessing other capabilities and probably some altered states of perception


and then goes up to layer two in location one


union with the life in plants or animals


nondual space


could potentially be a later location


sense of peace


location 1 finders often still have conditioning that relates to approval from others


layer three of location three


location 3


it seems pretty clear that im in location three layer three and its just theres just this strong overriding sense of joy and contentment


arent in fundamental wellbeing


feeling of union or merger with the divine or an allpervasive consciousness in location three may be divine or panpsychic with a sense of perfection and higher wellbeing than location 2


no distinct sense of an eye that is thinking


i think just like two times maybe like exactly as described in the book just the spaciousness emptiness at one point became just fullness and but it only happened to me after like deep deep yoga and meditation like for a long time


being uncomfortable with not knowing


spacious openness


it doesnt matter what it is how do you know this this is very hard for people to detect especially with layer one and so with layer one


agent of whatevers happening in terms of your system what youre doing what youre thinking what youre feeling


highly functioning


fundamentalist beliefs


be having presence


deeper stillness pervading and coexisting with the spaciousness and emptiness


the more im in layer three the more distracted i am


i remember then i can sense the presence as initially as one of the objects that is in and then i have to sort of relax


sort of love and joy and gratitude


sensory motor stuff


is your body located in the fullness and the hows that hows it spatially


habit


finders of feeling this lack of agency are consistent across these finders in location 4 so we must accept that this is how it feels inside them but what produces their actions remains a mystery


its nondual


but that person also had the access still had access to location one


no body nothing just consciousness


location 1 layer 4 is extremely difficult to access from location 1 and generally experienced as a glimpse from other layers


sense of togetherness


or 3


is there a difference in wellbeing when the spacious emptiness takes over versus when its not there


so when that when you feel that you are that thats really near the deepest reaches of layer three


watch the thinking occur but you really are not an active participant in the thinking process


layer two it relates to the sense of the spaciousness being everywhere being everything


in location 1 layer 4 the daily grind is infused with moments of enlightenment turning ordinary tasks into meditative practices


i would have said before i took the class that i have a charmed life


so if i do if i meditate in a certain way i have meditated and it happens and i drop into more of a kind of equalized more still flat perception i would say or just not not perhaps not maybe not flat but its like dropping into a different dimension if you could say that like thats not really its not about the physical that much anymore as much as its a different its like residing in a different field that is more quiet and peaceful and if i sink in in my day to day life i can also go go pretty quickly to that straight away actually but i again i guess i choose not to because again somewhere along the way i think one of my teachers emphasized also feeling the fullness but thats analysis for something else but yeah ive experienced that quite a few times


the only one i can remember is that that those thoughts of that one person it wasnt even something that i would identify as negative


you have a very quiet nothingness and layer two for you and location two


a few even seem to have maps that extend far beyond location 4 but these are typically kept hidden


continual expansion


i actually it was actually this past so i started the 45 days course in january and and it took me until early august actually to where i actually diagnosed myself as okay im actually at that point fundamental wellbeing


sort of then the fullness can start to come in


along with the spaciousness mhm like in the room in the space


single positive emotion


much greater feeling of richness


its inside me and spreads but its also like its everywhere


presence all pervading kind of thing


everything is just kind of just there


frequently reported significant difficulty


no sense of emotion


i suppose the goals are in location two to do some deconditioning


and it also sounds like youre able to shift your sense of self into layer two with some focus on layer two and really sinking into it


wanted to see if we could use that to maybe get you fluid between location one and location two because were not really worried about you not popping back for anybody thats listening to this dont do that dont do what i just had to do just as like a default normal exercise i have an enormous amount of faith in where ted is anchored and the fact that he would pull back there its possible if you reconstitute the looker that you get stuck back in location one and then thats that and whatever else right i wasnt worried about that with ted for those of you listening and so you know you wont hear me do that very often this is one of those rare times when i felt like it would be okay to do it yeah so in this case i think what youre experiencing are sort of those remaining remnants down at layer one and location two


layer two thing


increasing flatness of perception


freedom from any decision making


layer 3 is the default layer of location 3 and is experienced as the divine or panpsychist presence or as divine love itself in and as everything


there is nothing arising from or within it


alive


if youve just got some patterns that unwind as a function of deconditioning and what returns whether there is a joy some sort of intense joy you know underneath all of that or whatnot


even if internally the motivation isnt as strong as it was previously


deepening away from layer 1 may remove it from ones subjective awareness but that does not mean it stops operating this essentially leaves the conditioned psychological tendencies that reside at layer 1 to function unsupervised which may not lead to optimal life outcomes


youre identifying more youre identifying at layer two essentially which is the classic description spaciousness emptiness mystery as well


primarily involves the mind


even the visual field itself kind of like narrows so theres like this huge feeling of relaxation and freeness that i feel in what im calling layer three


it feels like space is the foundation or the base or the transparency


the fieldlike presence of layer 3 feels powerful and penetrating and being deep in layer 3 can seem to have a noticeable influence on other people


i think he had a lot of those tendencies even remaining in fundamental wellbeing and one thing that hes learned is that you know using certain supplements and stuff to really sort of increase my i mean any time theres some new thing that might increase mitochondria energy more you know than what hes using or something like that man he is on it and he just raves about the difference that that makes in the system the same with you know his interest a lot of his interest in things like the light hats and stuff like that


just everything and this happened to me like every time im sinking like deep


increasing aliveness and power


and so you know and even like you know its not often that someone uses the word felt like hell right being constantly frustrated upset at everything you know as a result of the intensity of you know trying to reprogram your system decondition your system you know all of that and so clearly youve got a lot of stuff down there at layer one that that wants to anchor you there


layer 4 will initially be sensed as an even deeper stillness or silence than that of layer 3 this deepest stillness brings with it a loss of dimensionality and seems flat or stark when compared to the richness of layer 3


its there and location to layer three and then the personal side drops off and location three and then emotion itself drops off and location four and thats whats providing that richness you know of that experience and so its although there can still be you know a sense of presence found in the experience and stuff like that its like an alien type of presence compared to you know what someone experienced up to that and its going to you know youre typically speaking youre going to lose access to it in a matter of weeks and root more into just layer four and location four


it just sounds like its in the direction of fundamental well being type of stuff to me


so spending a lot of time trying to thinking that youre going to decondition something like that while youre in layer one and that thats going to be like the key to moving you forward in fundamental wellbeing is more or less just a really good way to waste a lot of time


ive still probably because of you know heavy conditioning with that ive prioritized you know as of the past couple of years so i have conditioned in addition to this you know a lot of fear based layer early layer one


then next sort of felt as a fullness


layer three presence


kind of empty and full and clear


merging is


nondual frame of experience


consciousness


and so were going to start on the 29th going into layer two


personal love


id have to be quiet still and not doing anything and take some time to just bring my attention to it you know and it might take at least ten 15 minutes just sitting still just to get that get more to drop more into that sense that this is me


that sounds great okay so based on what i am hearing i would say that you absolutely have an experience of location to layer three cool im trying or not that also now whether or not you are and you know that already all right otherwise you would have had to skip this interview to be digging a trench somewhere to run some water lines you know because or youll never be running water lines without paying a few thousand dollars to get the thing fixed and then it breaks down two minutes later and costs you another couple thousand dollars or whatever right right um and so theres a but that doesnt preclude the possibility that some that you have fluidity over to you know location three layer three


depending upon their individual capability in this area finders may be able to choose to observe the orienting response feel the physiological sensation or first inklings of thought that they know will soon bring anger and consciously note it


fullness to it and feeling a presence


we want to think about it that i think part of it is always with someone that we have to you know really come to grips with that really give our systems permission for that really communicate that were okay with that youve spent a long time now telling your system this is what i want experience wise something like this it doesnt have to be exactly like this im open to some variation but you know within these boundaries right and now youre more or less saying something very different than that to go to location four layer four and location three


its more of an active a location three is more of an active merging of me with this great greatness rather than the nondual of its all this right is that im understanding correctly


layer one is happening but its happening within the confines of layer two say or layer three and layer one or layer three and layer two or whatever


its more like 21 so mostly layer one as i am still very much in the world and not so out there doing stuff


sort of really flat desert


energy that infused everything


this freedom entails a loss of perceptual dimensionalitydeepening into layer 4 involves stripping away or getting beneath the processes that filter perception until 54 all that remains is increasingly raw sense data


whereas layer three can be a lot easier to live life from so if that experience was something you loved its cool


and then same for location three in some ways so location three can be really powerful for healing things because you cant really experience negative emotion so just bringing you know thats essentially the whole thing with leicesters love it just really encodes the memories to be an experience thats associated with the pardon


charmed life


that means youve got quite a lot of range in terms of different qualities of layer two that youre able to experience um the spaciousness the all containing nature of it


my ego wants me to be in a different state


physiological changes


panpsychic


ive also noticed fundamental wellbeing is that um for years every new years and then sometimes at a birthday and sometimes at a different anniversary or just randomly throughout the year


i said was the crushing loneliness of the divine that was beautiful in his stark simplicity


i wasnt the emptiness or the spaciousness


layer two is sometimes more effective for that


its not like im generating them and theyre not thoughts about anything relevant or useful theyre just like floating by


showing up in the layer three


like i said there was too much bliss it was too much energy in my body um i already am not a great sleeper so it really affected my sleep


and when you have that shimmer is that happening in a state where youve got more access to layer three type qualities yeah like the warmth you described


stillness


less attached to the story of their life