the architecture of location 1 layer 4 mirrors the complexity of human experience where concrete and spirit intertwine


but just sort of hold that lightly just kind of keep an eye on it sort of out of the corner of your eye you know and experiment for a while with seeing what do these deeper places in fundamental wellbeing do to those body sensations rather than bringing the putting your attention on them locking them in in sort of a heavier more focused way and bringing them along in sort of that heavier more dense way into this process that maybe doesnt allow fundamental wellbeing as you go to these more transcendent states in fundamental wellbeing to to to work more effectively on them because youre really locking them in and youre basically saying to these higher more transcendent states


conditioning standpoint


been an issue around human relationships is that i dont have enough of a personal kind of love to satisfy the people in my life who would like it to be more personal


which is why i dont think that you should just keep inching your way deeper into layer two that youre already deeply rooted in when youre getting really solid access to layer three


more through layer three


layer three is difficult to get to


not a static expansion


i cant take it like my system cant tolerate it at this point and so ive in recent meditations i try and put attention on that because its great it feels wonderful right


location 2 reported it as a more complete


layer 2 is usually the layer that finders in location 1 have temporary experiences of and this experience makes them conclude that they must be going in and out of fundamental wellbeing


presence here


it sounds to me more like youve got some space youve got some distance from thoughts and emotions and


sense of divine


these experiences usually do not last but people can go through periods that are challenging as they become accustomed to this state


i mean its possible to experience like a fullness in layer two


freedom part


fairly significant amount of proclivity right now to location three or to being able to move in the direction of location three


mystery


being a seer because think you know what i what i dont do that theres just a tendency to to float kind of untethered and dont feel quite done in the spot i think need to stick around in this in the system for a while it doesnt feel like im finished in this experience whatever finished means it both feels complete but not quite done so dont i dont know how to describe it but think i was


triggered


recondition


layer 3 feels like a profound fullness rather than feeling as though it contains everything like layer 2 this feels as though it pervades and infuses everythingall objects and experience initially as one deepens through layer 2 into layer 3 it can feel as though the emptiness becomes infused with fullness


your mood and your positive emotions and stuff sort of continue to increase


im the energy


i would say location one with layer one


a correct choice or path in every situation


location 2 also still experience a mix of emotions


curcumin supplement


im the fullness and presence


god or consciousness


which would still mean that the mind is quite dominant in your experience


but when i got triggered especially i mean theres when when strong triggers present i i will kind of put back into layer one and and in which i will feel thoughts are very real the problems are very real


you can just go straight from layer one to like a deep layer of you know location two in a very brief period


you get fullness sometimes get emptiness


maybe be the layer one experience on location two


i was nowhere near fundamental wellbeing


fullness or


if you have a sense of whether or not you want path of freedom or path of humanity


very much in contrast to the emptiness


its its still its that very nondual sense


less concerned about being functional in the world


increasingly permeating and infusing things


at this point much of this has been backed up by neuroimaging all of this knowledge tells us that in most cases theres no reason that the changes have to cluster the way they dofor example it may be possible to reliably create a new location that involves the single emotion of location 3 and the absence of agency found in location 4


yeah like yeah after the first after the transition to like location one


not metaphysical or mystical


the second one the path of humanity poh bears a greater resemblance to earlier locations


it sounds more like containing


this quality of presence or being feels more fundamental and real than anything else


but sometimes it feels so real because my layer one mind was was screaming well im losing my safety net and i mean the my savings reached me and that would be bad for my family


when living moment to moment in a place of fundamental wellbeing anything that disturbs it however minor is difficult to miss


location three layer one


experiencing a single ongoing emotion that felt


pure beingness or isness


layer one of course are all visible that


life is full it goes fast


when you just upset at it does a little bit like it didnt at first and that question sort of made it feel there was a connection or merge


but its almost like it has no interface to the conditioning at layer one


5 or beyond


sense of union dual and nondual


i think because it it felt like theres this like almost cold empty space and a kind of clearness to it by just like a lot of like it empty empty is what it feels like empty


i wouldnt really work on layer two anymore or worry about layer two any more


you know you can focus on the layer two stuff spacious emptiness all that you can focus on the layer two stuff and then you know


in lay one the ego creates a vision for my life and implements it but its not at all confident with conflicting certainty and insistent dominating behavior


i went into work was very cheerful and effective at work that day


that beingness is in some way conscious or some people may describe it as intelligent and aware and that conscious beingness is pervading everything


youve got a really strong rooting of identity into layer two


and so sometimes people can really begin to get a sense of nonduality through a visual visual sense or through the hearing first as theyre beginning to shift out of location one


coincides with the fullness


excel in their jobs


the dominant quality of layer 2 is the sense of allcontaining spaciousness emptiness expansiveness space nothingness openness and so on


it is common for layer 4 to be experienced as an unknowable or a mystery


you can see if you can bring in any of the qualities of layer three or do some when you do have the time


but you talk about boundlessness you often talk about things like boundaryless boundaryless field of awareness you know awareness is a term that is more associated from our perspective with layer three


that on a deep level


how does anything happen at all


kind of back to there still kind of this watcher looker


and then i usually become aware of some some sort of tension somewhere in the body and then as i keep my attention it just starts releasing and thats and so that experience makes me think that its its assuming that this experience of relaxing releasing conditioning thats so so i think thats the conditioning that keeps me in that layer one and


because that home layer of perception is still you know layer one right and so its exactly you said exactly what i would expect you to say in terms of what pulls you out of it its just basically a snap back to layer one


you know all of those questions that youve seen us do for location three


i cant remember the last time i had a personal emotion i think you know when my daughter was in a horrific car accident and we werent sure if she was going to live you know three years ago im pretty sure there was some something that came up then you know things like that its like okay this is probably location three


the first change well the two main changes as you notice is a more awareness of my thoughts and sensations so the more awareness of thoughts and just everything and also just being deeply connected to the body its like it feels like im shifting from being connected to the thoughts to being connected to the body


and there were times in that where i would i would almost pass out and then i would do meditations on my own and i would find myself kind of blacking out in a way not a not a problem or uncomfortable but my body would respond and would kind of catch myself as i was falling and get up and continue and eventually that happened enough times where something dawned and was like oh that could be an issue because im walking or you know theres a lot of rocks and im walking down to the river and could could fall could hit my head so then that was another clue like oh maybe i should reach out to someone this may not be optimal


hes had experiences of fundamental wellbeing himself all of that


it feels as though it pervades everything but is simultaneously independent of everything


perceiving people through walls


the attachment to them and specific outcomes in general is reduced


little lower than it was a minute or two ago


and thats that motion still field of presence that is aware that is experiencing the field of spaciousness you know emptiness it makes the experience possible or illuminates the experience so that could be a helpful way of of deepening into layer three from layer two if that resonates with you dont think necessarily it does for everyone but it can be a very useful point for some people thought it might cool


but it certainly sounds like youre predominant location is location to layer three it sounds like you probably can get pulled down to layer one


i could fortunately i could stay clued into the to what they said and then id say something oh tell me more about that or you know that was all i could do i couldnt work out what i need to do with this client


via layer four


fluid


because that sense of a spaciousness or containing spacious emptiness is still there and what youre experiencing sounds you know youre just becoming receptive and receiving information whether thats coming through the mind or in other forms


negative feelings associated with it


able to go to sort of what would be considered by the world a potentially less functional spot or not


probably was yeah and then you know you can always of course remember that right um and so you know if if right now what feels like is happening is that union you know dissolving however we want to think about it kind of thing right um it doesnt mean that you cant remember the other thing


love


myersbriggs cognitive functions


awareness of some something that was aware of what was arising


and so for something like an aliveness that you feel in the room


perceiver is not right there


its probably going to be a location two thing because the person has the meta emotion and theyre saying that theyre the divine


like the actual visual field itself is bigger


because of the no filtering


he guided me back into the body and sensation and feeling and that began to shift my experience and felt like it stabilized me in a way but i also felt like that took a focus away necessarily so from deepening more into that location think had stuff in the way and needed to deal with that before could deepen


lasting sense of peace


and sometimes watching patients do the same and you know i cant say that to them of course oh my god just being silly it definitely and you know i can remember years past when no way would i have been able to do that no way it would have been fully in it and just playing the whole thing out and now even after maybe a kind of a biggest kind of fight with my husband you know ten minutes later ive caught myself laughing which im not going to admit to him but i was because it was just stupid it was silly it was no point to it


the primary way of operating in the world comes from the perspective of this center which feels like a locus of self


has been in the background habituation is the individualized sense of self for the average person up to the point at which they transition to fundamental well being


timeless presence pervading everything


real the self


and location two and its sort of like a very nice functional place in location two


like layer three


sounds like what youre describing is that joy is like a quality thats infusing infusing the what is you


you have to go to location three i think ive been there before and it is it seems really nice so uh but yeah guess thats the word in my mind just do that


being attached to thinking and emotion


experiencing the divine


another type of presence


three collapses


location 4 individuals can have difficulty finding and building committed personal relationships no matter how wonderful things seem to start the absence of love tends to cause the other person to drift away


i feel like nothing there


the quality of spaciousness emptiness expansiveness openness and so on feels as though it pervades everything as the presence of divinity or as the panpsychist presence depending on how location 3 is showing up for that person


having consciousness at layer three liveliness and emotion can be felt in both living and nonliving things


of increasingly merging with either the divine


some eastern traditions also stop around this point while others stop earlier at location 2


parts of negative emotions are still occasionally felt but only rarely fully form


location 3 involves


boundary or maybe even sometimes a little over into that experience


richness details significance and and just relevance


first of all you know one of the things that this does is it shows your system it shows your nervous system that youre serious about this that its not something that is just two hours in a chair at your place um you know that its something that you want to do you want the system to start experimenting with bringing more into these different aspects and areas of your life and then you know itll find a way for you to be funny and still you know at a deeper stage of fundamental well being


sense of freedom is unmatched by anything that comes before it


i feel like im still maybe seeing spaciousness from layer one where i can be aware of it but maybe not purely i feel like when i try to experience it more purely that kind of contraction actually disappears


joy seems to always be there


if layer one its a thought mental activity if youre really in it you would feel a sense of identification with that


place of presumptuousness


the introspection and fundamental well being and the loss of it as we go deeper and deeper


its kind of an experience of impermanence on the level of self or reality that youre looking for that kind of makes that experience could still be favored


from from layer three


different types of freedom


so you said that you werent sure whether at times your you were viewing layer one


non dual


when you go to location four you see through a lot of things that our previous and the in the continuum you and in the matrix even if you go to very strongly into layer four in location two you know you realize even from a very very strong glimpse of layer four in location two you really do realize that sort of everything from location three on down is just sort of imaginary


location 3 only one dominant emotion is experienced


so it sounds like at some point in your process of deepening youve actually shifted to location two


life is simply unfolding


if they say no and there was no sense of agency and you know they had a divine sense that went away and theyre clearly nondual and you go through some of the some more things that relate to location for location for a plus


of participants experience though they


we definitely know that layer two is in the mix and a deepening of layer two


feels like full


and so you want to keep a focus on the impersonal version of those because you are in location two and certainly personal forms of emotion can arise


maybe if i were to do that today i might be able to recall i might be able to feel like an impersonal love but that day it was just nothing it was just totally blank


or location four


location 1 finders experience a fundamental shift from the narrative centered highly individualized self that is common among non finders to something that seems less personal larger and less isolated and separate


promote motivation


or a sense of spacious


location one


yeah and so that is something we would consider an impersonal form of self


and its almost like im getting round up im getting corralled into being a me as the thoughts come and so theres no me at all when i wake up and it gets created so thats very clearly not there when i wake up


and so in location three there is and youre going between the two most subtle possible places you know potentially location wise


things that sense of joy is very often more associated with layer three


richness


so its not like spacious emptiness


little blandness


its just like quiet everythings quiet its like a quiet acceptance


i can get in touch with spaciousness


fullness and richness with presence


sense of emotion


my favorite definition of illusion is that its something real that appears to be something else other than what it is so its real smoke and mirrors that the magician uses to create the illusion that they just saw the woman in half you know so so thats kind of interesting perspective on it


it triggers the persona who is rewarded for her intelligence was paid to be a management consultant to analyze massive data sets and i dont want to be in that uh space but i can feel that theres a residual


union


reported that it still had significant effects on


in location 1 layer 4 every meal is an act of gratitude tasting flavors with a mindfulness that nourishes body and soul


centered form of experience


less personal drama


nothing


not too aware of other things and and yeah the thoughts also carry a different nature again this happened again after like ten 15 years ago after i read eckhart tolles book the power of now and then after a few years something changed also in how my thoughts were it changed from being a narrative self inside myself to being very subtle thoughts that are quicker and this actually bothered me a lot during my meditation retreats and so on because i found it harder to kind of deal with the mind because thoughts could just come up really rapid pace it still happens and doesnt feel the thoughts have kind of not much substance to it and it feels like a different quality and i would say i couldnt even call it like inspiration it just emerges disappears relevant to to what im doing


emptiness of layer two


layer one you can get a feel for is this a useful thing or would i prefer to have you know access to something like layer one from somewhere else whether a more awareness


in location 1 layer 4 technology and tradition weave together creating a tapestry that honors past present and future


so its i can cope with it much better but still there theres this basic feeling of of okayness equanimity thats just always there it might be a bit more in the in the background when things get really busy but in general its just this this feeling of everything is okay and i can handle everything and theres this the possibility to to do a lot of things simultaneously and to be on top of things


they are also more likely to be able to manipulate the overall process by effecting whats happening at current or arising layers this was typically possible at location 1


you have a sense of perception arising from spaciousness in terms of the thoughts in terms of the vision and auditory based exercises in terms of whats noticing it


well im thinking of like two things now it was i did think i glimpsed location four for a while and there were no emotions like at all uh and its very quiet there and like i was yeah i felt like i was just or not even i but like whatever just being like thought it that way and then just being just doing things on its own and like theres no me anymore for a while so that one is pretty clear i think yeah there werent emotions in that at that point


fundamentally okay increasingly came into the


i was still in location four


so the existence of everything is more fundamental than any experience of it


freedom the piece mainly that its so peaceful


lets talk a little bit about what the seeking of truth might mean in the context of what our research has uncovered from a fundamental wellbeing standpoint


i feel like normal


location one is sort of ideal you know for your life right now


all pervading


sense of being in union with life and everything


location three can in terms of normally its just managing finances and that type of thing that we caution people around because they can be just excessive you know generosity


the rest of their memory is usually fine


presence which some love


very persistent stubborn sense


the joy is always there and you actually just bring your attention to it


what falls away in location three on the emotion front is personal emotion so all that remains is really that meta emotion so you could even just be constantly paying attention to that on there in terms of the emotional experience that you have and kind of turn your attention away from any personal emotion that arises and just let it get kind of eclipsed by the meta emotion of love joy and compassion that you already have access to its probably something you can notice in any moment if you turn your attention to it so thats something you could do to bias your system in the direction of location three


another thing with a major advertising agency


self referential


as far as you can


no emotions


the decision to move into these later locations is not to be made lightly


location one layer two right now because im feeling that im seeing from the body um but at the same time its like completely different from before because im like the peace and the stillness


socially acceptable thing to do


oh it was the vipassana retreat


location three or possibly layer three


the peace is of a different order than that of any other layer because it is not dependent on any positionality such as i am awareness or i am


individualized self


the feelings of union with divinity or an allpervasive consciousness also disappear


what might be thought of as a beingness type of beingness


its very possible that youve had some glimpses of that so as you you know work with layer three and sinking in in that direction you might have memories come up like that


there is no longer any sense of an essence pervading everything like in layer 3


youre the presence as the identity has a strong connection to layer one where youd be writing from and see what your voice looks like there


indwelling of the divine


reality was perceived as


self participants reported the absence of


location 4 finders either remain alone or learn how to respond appropriately so that their partner feels loved


behavior is that just loving everybody


thats an exact example of what lester himself did to get himself into location three


union with that life


spaciousness beingness


motivation disappeared


still have emotions


everything is showing up sort of out there in a way


dont notice the stillness and the spaciousness anymore


and then you know you describe the location five visual effects very very typical experience of that the sensory glitches you describe in terms of passing out and having the arms get paralyzed


i have a blip of that kind of like radiating love and its usually maybe in nature or to a child or maybe like a cat does a really ridiculously adorable thing but it is its such a more narrow experience


when combined with the deep sense of truth that typically accompanies location 3


mindful


and also just um like kind of steering it away from the location for qualities of like samples


potentially with some digging path of freedom


i started noticing you know the the feelings of the feelings of in some of the stuff which ive talked about today but combination of piece and things are going to be okay


increase in freedom


melting completely physically


they were clearly layer three qualities in addition like a feeling or like a rich experience and the fullness of aliveness


when that timer goes off and youre taking time to sink into fundamental well being


if you were in location three and the conditioning with your daughter came up probably it would just you know dissolve almost immediately or much more rapidly because its such a powerful experience that is getting merged with the conditioning and sort of dissolves or recontextualizes it


you know almost made me pee my pants when it first happened to me in india 25 years ago it was like it wasnt just there was this amazing fullness it was like i was i was sitting next to the ganges river late at night with this huge rapids right next to me and suddenly i was the rock that i was leaning on and then i was the rapids and then i was the entire ganges and then i was the entire planet and then it just kept going to way beyond what my mind could kind of keep up so that was the flavor of my of my initial awakening


more alive


its kind of experienced as the joys for everything or all of everything


location 1 individuals are on the earliest portion of the continuum


you know the mind and it operating in the mind is essentially operating from the perspective of there being a body you know or a system that is individualized that needs to function in an individualized way to operate in the world


there is a sense that this is reality itself and can never be gained or lost but is the condition of everything that is or could be presumably because all fundamental human fear originates from the fear of death this perception brings an incomparable sense of freedom and peace


my goal is to to get to to be fluent between layer two or location two


love compassion you know joy those were such a live motions


who have moved back and forth between locations often observe that each location brings a distinct flavor of truth


which may be useful as an access point in your during your day because you describe the stillness as pervading everything so and having a quality of sort of aliveness and that type of thing where youre describing the presence as well so thats all kind of heading in the direction of layer three


optimize for the environment youre in fundamental well being


feel love and joy compassion whether that feels divine or just impersonal


individualized self had vanished


so that does sound like you know youre able to touch upon some aspects of layer three that begin to infuse the spaciousness of layer two having a very deep experience of layer two where you arent even getting that sense of a container like its already feeling more like a field


mind feels clearer


in location 1 layer 4 the warmth of human connection is enriched by a deeper sense of oneness with all beings


it is essentially the home layer of locations 4 and later and experiences of it in earlier locations tend to be partial and temporary


so while the period you know the punctuated periods where theres like you know blooming and pruning happening in the brain if you remember that from your psychology you know training days right where you have sort of those periods of explosive growth of connections and whatnot in the brain and then a pruning back to whats going to be you know sort of the constrained normal after that and just all of those different developmental phases


location 4 lost


nonduality is sounds like description of nonduality where its all sort of one field of experience and youre a part of it


but theres a sense of theres a sense of me here


no sense of reality imposing of to you


location four definitely adds a whole new perspective and can decondition a lot especially if one deepens there but yeah save that for when you feel the timing is good


dont have to expect to have like some kind of great observational or analytical type of capacity


sense of the divine


when i do think in i spend more time focusing on the fact that there is space and that something is further away rather than focusing on the space


its the its really the pervasive sense of presence and that and that fullness penetrating things and whatnot that were that were primarily looking for is the hallmarks more of a layer three


layer two potentially


charmed life maybe sounded interesting obviously those would all involve coming back from where youre headed


layer three


location two layer three


sense of presence


im that layer three some aspect of the layer three type experiences


you can get out of it and then you can move on to to the location three stuff and if you feel you know youre done with it you know after a few days or youve got enough access to it that if conditioning arises you can you know sink into it and use it to whatever extent you want to then you know move on whenever you want to


the qualities of spaciousness emptiness


i didnt really experience it much at all it did talk a lot last year and i had no idea what it was like and in that course we experienced that and it was really nice


obviously more union with god is better within a worldview that is seeking it so it is not surprising that they would value this location more highly than earlier or later ones


experiencing all of that is nothingness


but it sounds to me like youre at least in experiencing layer two with the classic descriptors of spaciousness and emptiness and that kind of thing


it was a distinct shift and processing that can recall and before the accident you know ive never felt like i belonged here ive never really felt human but dont know why i dont feel human theres theres no hard data to tell me that thats true or again that might be a psychotic episode i have no idea but i do remember right before the accident before the actual moment of physical impact something lifted shifted changed so dramatically that i realize that up until that point had been using the body in a very different way


meditators


think the same could be true for you like you literally transitioned to location three in the finals course probably your system would have has no actual limitation in being in location three layer three


leaning towards being location three


and so now we would say about location two is and we probably would have been more nuanced even back then


but that is not to say that finders at this location do not feel a sense of unity


im not thats interesting ah okay now that said personal actually its simply more a reaction rather than the person its simply yeah im having whatever


i had a message about something to do with my dad who died recently that was quite significant and yeah and i think i might be in location three right now


you could kind of say fullness of life but usually a statement like fullness of life would be used differently


layer three seems to come up only after ive like relaxed enough to let go of that conditioning so like i would sit for ten 15 minutes and then i feel that all these sensations in my hands my head my legs usually are they just dissolve and theres nothing left and then there is just like oh there is this peace and everything is just perfect and i dont really get that fullness experience but maybe thats just a semantic thing but there is a feeling of joy and just a flow and everything is just amazing and nothing really bothers me


like theres just a presence


life is just unfolding


pervasive consciousness


real sense of divinity


joy kind of feeling


everything that theyve ever heard or read or seen or whatever its all been about union with the divine or union with god or union with whatever deity or whatever


like i often say if somebody has responsibility which is a corporate term for profit and loss responsibility sort of more financial responsibility for a firm or a division of a firm or something like that then probably location three


it feels like a mixture of various highly positive emotions and feelings such as compassion joy and love


one thing to keep in mind about the descriptions of location two is that theyre not designed for people when theyre just first shifting into it


you know thats cool keep in mind charmed life is a locking in of location to layer three


decision making type of judgment


if a person really deepens into location 4 they can essentially lose sight of this layer and from location 5 on it becomes increasingly difficult to access


its harder to get distance from feelings from from emotions from thoughts and that layer two


as part of the transition process


can be very subtle


fundamental wellbeing prior to where youve landed


nondual place where theres just sort of feels like theres one thing and its spaciousness and its emptiness


if its layer three then it feels it feels like if i go beneath the spaciousness


charmed life thing


so im not its not a bad thing that you shift into layer one or anything like that its not something to be avoided


extreme glitches


fullness right


and thats really great because it does mean that whatever conditioning was triggered


layer three in location two


kind of a sense of the divine


im spaciousness spaciousness and sort of focus on that sensation


visual effects sensory glitches


relates to the mind and the perception of mental activity


tv series and movie lovers find themselves increasingly less drawn to these forms of passing the time


words that kind of overlap with with layer two i can resonate resonate very well


just that your descriptions of location three layer three and of deepening into the the divine and into the celestial beyond that or through that in that direction and the devotion and reverence and all that its its extraordinarily well put into words amazing and its i recognize it you know its its ive never heard someone else put it into words like that and it was just phenomenal to read you know so cool um wow and yeah i agree with the same of what i used to call the divine turned out to be the celestial that deeper you know its its very difficult to define it but yes like the the divine that is initially experienced in location three if it shows up that way that people are referring to is more like a construct than you know as as that falls away with the celestial orientation there is this way more i dont know what to do what lens to use at this fine but much more foundational and deep and profound vast kind of infinite sense of divinity


all perceptual states are illusory and there is only undifferentiated existence


at the shallower part of layer three just a kind of warm benevolent container


first layer of depth


this is typically not conducive to effectiveness in the world and moves increasingly in the direction of its transcendence this can be fine if a persons life circumstances allow for that


panpsychist sense


you dont meet people in nonduality unless theyre like way out in locations and just have no selfreflexivity and are horrible at things like this but generally speaking normal fundamental wellbeing


love joy


so lets see okay so for example im looking at the computer screen so the nonduality like the location two nonduality


the full shift into layer 4 is the complete and final dissolution of any sense of separation and therefore of individual existence or self


beingness or presence or knowingness


but if youre not quite like quite there yet it seems that you can go to location four and then you realize that oh you know things are great no matter the the income


i just dont feel love like the way that it used to be its just this kind of its there all the time for everybody and everything and it does intensify when you know my husband comes into the room lets say for example and theres a like an impulse to smile right or when i see a close friend you know theres an impulse to smile so theres a reaction there but does it qualify as love the way that we used to define it i dont know


no self thoughts


one sense


i dont feel i learn from content anymore


loss of all separation


its kind of an imperceptible type of subtle dualities that remain that you only really recognize after theyve dropped away


definitely a noticeable shift but if its gradual it can just slowly fade in terms of those deepest reaches of layer three already feeling like theres no possible separation like theres no self even though theres a subtle sense of self in terms of there being being or beingness


fluidity


quality of an all pervading presence


showing up or constriction in the body


non fundamental wellbeing


when i was in layer four then this dreamy thing is all gone and its just a reality


deeply calm


im in location one layer one at this moment


i noticed you said in some moments the center of a hair seems to fall away and a pervading boundaryless field is weakly present everywhere so it does sound like youre having a centerless layer three deeper layer three experience sometimes


it feels untouched and untouchable


aware of everything youre related to it as the likeness of existence which is the aliveness is a layer three kind of quality


its very quiet


it could also relate to your identity really shifting into the spaciousness


greater neutrality and observation of what is it can be more reasonable and balanced and relating to others


i just see things as thing nonliving material


so if we go from there and we go on to like another location location six six is notorious for its glitches


marketplaces in location 1 layer 4 buzz with more than commerce they are vibrant exchanges of lifes myriad forms and colors


my mind


full sense of aliveness


im just checking because that would be a quality that that you can definitely deepen into to bias your system or in the direction of location three


pure feeling of of of love


so that that would that sounds in the direction of the experience of something that is like a center but entirely impersonal quality of that without any personal attributes at this point um yeah its interesting there are other ways you describe things like not not relating to the phrase theres only this but youll say things like theres all arising or even theres all this all this and so a lot of those phrases or even just saying like everything is its not separate its all interdependent or its all showing up um all of that is still making reference and placing attention or emphasis on all or everything as if theres still a subtle perception of multiplicity which in that very pure experience of layer four


functions autonomously


memories spontaneously arise less often and theres a deep peace but it can be suppressed by triggered conditioning which is difficult to get to


infused with the divine essentially


the transition to layer four often will pull someone over to layer four


an emptiness


joy


layer two


you can have a lot change in your state of consciousness in terms of your sense of self in terms of a lot of things related to fundamental wellbeing without realizing it you can even have emotions fall away and suddenly at some point you realize oh theyre all gone you know when that happened and it can have been you know some weeks sometimes um so yes and you know any of these changes can happen without them appearing dramatic or sudden or even being noticed immediately so definitely dont discard your experience or expect you know if theres some significant deepening that has to happen in that way it usually doesnt um okay yeah thank you okay well your experience sounds sounds like layer two


dont think ive had emotions for a very long time i do remember early in physical life where there were waves and peaks and valleys of of but i would describe as energy fluctuations and that seems very distant and when i try to recall when i tried to get there right when i try to place myself there its not easy access um and it feels like im watching that from far far far far far away and it doesnt trigger any bodily physiological responses


the untouchable quality of layer 3 becomes irrelevant untouchable in relation to what because nothing but reality could ever be the peace feels absolute and of a different dimension than emotional or psychological peace


in some cases a finder can work on distancing themselves from layer 1 by focusing their subjective experience into a deeper layer and thereby experience a largely or completely silent mind


but the shift into layer four is you know it can be an intense one and it really is very different than everything that comes before it and so you know lots of strange things can happen on the way to it in the direction of it you know sort of associated with it um and its possible that when you felt like you had made progress in that direction and then you had this other sort of experience come in that it was you know just one of those types of things in that direction


layer one as arising as part of a singular field of experience


developing some access to location for to when when you feel the time is right because you have that you know youve got an affinity with that method by the sounds of it


if you were going dual when you were into layer one


theres not a lot of movement around or anything like that you know its natural it seems like a natural form of fundamental wellbeing


not adding your own noise to that already existing stillness


all vestiges of self related thought


four felt normalized in location four


the silence and stillness stuff that you talk about that runs through everything which it should im just talking about sort of the more distinctive qualities so spaciousness and then emptiness


nondual type


you dont have personal emotions


involves a change from feeling like there is an ambiguous but definite center inside


fullness wise


space this you know everything is beautiful i felt more connected to the word love or loving as a concept and there was this you know beautiful soft rounded creative fertile quality to the to the energy thats really pleasant


which pulls you all the way back to layer one and location one basically as those as those experiences fade


gravity of silence tends to preclude thinking


higher concentration higher speed


feel a joy i do feel joy and yeah lots of love lovey feelings and i do feel that theres conditioning


the games and sports of location 1 layer 4 celebrate not just competition but the joy of play and the spirit of teamwork


layer one is the the well you know the motivational speaker whos whos in fundamental well being


right the divinity word and the sacred


how deep you might be in layer three


layer two is a great place to hide out


location 1 finders experience a heightened sense of being complete


transparent nothingness


space spaciousness


biased by love and joy


and even in situations where id normally just just be worried about and in and experience anxiety and that kind of stuff there would be that feeling right there and a lot of times it was in the foreground i went through a period where a lot of times it was in the foreground and and and and then i said you know i might be there


and thats and thats great to know thats a that sounds like a legit experience for me to me around this that you could sink into remember and sink into be comfortable sinking into if it happens and whatnot to sort of move in the direction of layer three


there was definitely that sense of the thing that knows the thing that happens things happen to even like the physical sense of sort of like that not a presence behind the eyes


i was mostly in what i would describe based on your terminology as layer one right i was like there was a lot of negative emotion arising


the no agency no thoughts no emotion


being occupied with and concerned about


qualities of layer three


if they remain in location 4 they will usually go through what they often describe as a deepening in that location which typically involves their system moving more solidly into layer 4


emptiness of vastness


theres no sense of self theres no sense of self that is would you say that nothing exists no not an eye not not an identity uh that that this just is whatever that was moved away


in location 1 layer 4 the pursuit of material success is juxtaposed with an internal journey towards greater peace and stillness


if you were in layer three of location two and you were in a spot that had you know something like joy or love or whatever arising then that would be your experience right and so its gotten a lot more nuanced as weve released more and more information and detail and just sort of had time to do that i guess i would say over time


annoyance or sort of impatience of the situation


theres that richness


love my family


another big thing that ive noticed that made me think that its probably location two is where its just its really deep sense of peace that that that often comes and stays for a while that wasnt there before in location one


it also feels as though it transcends everything or is somehow more foundational real or permanent than anything else


stillness and silence


location 4


shift in perception


there is one noticeable memory issue that seems to be a reliable and genuine deficit while most common with location 4


so do you notice any other changes weve talked about layer two and spaciousness


experience of awareness becoming aware of itself


compassion


the body can relax and the blocks can relax as well and a feeling of being of being connected to my environment feeling that around me and more through the center of the heart area and feeling like it is looking back at me and and yeah feeling a sense of of emptiness or loneliness or loneliness but but then it can change and it feels quite quite full and and that arises also within within the center of my heart or my space when my heart is and if i sort of feel feel feel into my heart theres a sense of sacredness or our maternal beingness there like a like a feeling of of of purity of purity of timelessness like like a sense of a sense of perfection um expression or play and um yeah sort of so thats when i do the exercises where i stop and look and thats what i tend to find but i guess sort of in my day to day life i feel as though me and i still have i still feel like im a self ive got a body but but i can just take a moment and i can feel that spaciousness around me and and often like ill work quite a lot so often ill be quite tired and i do that energy that really changes i feel much more energized and relaxed when i do that


layer two and one in terms of your sense of


location 3 a sense of deep connectedness and union enter the picture


achieve fluidity


when it is accessed it is usually mixed with other layers most typically the deepest portions of layer 3 because one is generally unable to fully deepen into it it tends to be experienced as a mystery or unknowable


you know everybodys terrified of location one theyre horrified that theyre going to get stuck there or you know whatever else


peaceful state


subjectively this may be experienced as a field of infinite potentiality because it is formless and unmanifest yet feels profoundly full and like the source underlying all differentiated existence


and just coming down to layer one in


say even more about sameness i guess i mean right away i guess i relate more to the union merger than than the the sameness there still seems to be fully full ability to discriminate differences and distinctions and the uniqueness of the the table lamp versus me


fullness and more presence and stuff


panpsychist presence


sense of spacious emptiness


seeing through the physical appearance with some kind of semiabstract representation


meditative


so i can see it happening from a distance but thats it and could you could say jump into it


lost the perception of 3d


it feels like my bodys included in it like its much larger than my body


was getting ready to say that then it felt a little more centered so so its either both or neither feels like theres some fullness happening


nothingness


laughter in location 1 layer 4 rings with a clarity that cuts through lifes complexities reminding all of the joy in simplicity


and so leave it activated and go to layer two and you know sink in with fundamental wellbeing with sort of a worst case scenario like that it doesnt have to be worse worst worst case you get the idea it can be different scenarios different ideas you know youre probably not going to be like oh no this is absolutely what would happen so you know ballpark kind of thing um and coat and sink in fundamental well being you know and deeply from your layer two perspective while that is active and let layer twos fundamental wellbeing work its magic on the conditioning that is there that is causing that fear that is causing that whatever


theres still spaciousness on one side and fullness on the other


negative feelings


spacious quality


the activity of the mind will predominate in moment tomoment experience


the layer one is getting more pulled back into the story and the sort of feeling of the the thoughts that put me into the past or the future or something like that


individualized sort of narrative nagging sense of self is out of the way


so you might even have conditioned your system to perceive it that way because youve used it as an access point for layer two by paying attention to the space rather than the content of the space


viewing and accessing layer one with just you know some subtle differences and preferences between those in terms of the lives


youve seen me present it where someone lands in location one layer one


if you were at layer three before that or something


if that makes sense and what happens is sometimes its fullness


it can take up so much space that theyre unable to perceive that theyre viewing it through the spaciousness


i think i was doing 45 days so that was like two years ago


like a weighted blanket kind of pressure so guess it feels a little heavy but in a in a desirable kind of way


fullness and the richness


lose their personal individual love for their child


seeing language i was seeing the same structure behind it in a form of shape


the reason i pointed out is because i think because the self disappears the self that youre using as a reference point which is the personal self when you sink into layer three


so what about a sense of spaciousness or emptiness


think i said now that ive been in it since 2018 when i took the finals course i transitioned then but then i was very much experiencing a lot of negative emotions and reactivity so i thought that i might have been going in and out but looking back it could have also been that i was just like having it pushed back a lot in the background like i was going through something like a love relationship thing in the beginning of the year and i was sure that i was out of it because it was just like so much emotional baggage that i havent felt for years and then i just looked okay i have to i have to see if i can find it you know the okayness and it was there very immediately but i think for a while it was pushed


when did you transition to fundamental wellbeing


like layer three is sort of you know fluid but its sort of like i dont know lounging around its like sort of there but in more of the location three state it was like it was almost dancing


and if theres a shift out of that or deeper from there it would feel initially like theres a sense of fullness or presence pervading that emptiness infusing it and really deepening into that shifts your sense of self into it and you feel you are that all pervading presence or beingness this is all invocation too of course it will show up at different in other locations but those are things you can be on the lookout for when you are working with with clients or doing any of the work you do that feels like altering your state of consciousness


like that state of like everything is just great everything is just perfect like how they say before enlightenment


you know your thoughts and emotions that are sort of seeing a glimpse of spaciousness or something from where theyre at it sounds more like youre rooted in a stillness and a silence and a peacefulness a silence and a peacefulness are the words that you use that has you know more spaciousness from thoughts and emotions and like maybe your you know accessing layer one more


there is a powerful gravity to these late locations making it difficult and rare to get back from them


of feel feel a bit more emotional for some reason like like when you say that when you know


i feel like im perceiving or aware at my most foundational level where my attention is most of the time and only reality is just unfolding


i developed a sense of that and now it just feels like life is so luscious like everything is just vibrating and rich and juicy and yum and and thick and delicious so almost overwhelmingly


so youve got access to that in location one


so think of layer two as that sense of space spaciousness


aloneness ultimate aloneness


yeah even the word space makes less sense its just like a well this is hard to describe but more of seeming like not knowing about space or distance or location or like putting this room in some context or this body in some context its just a less of that


youll feel crowded


senselessness


so the no emotion even when youre shouting youre not feeling emotion


everything seems to be arising from and within it


cannot imagine ever being able to believe that there is such a thing as agency with what you were saying i imagine you feel the same way when youre in location four


divine type


ill channel jesus for you


you know less freedom but better slightly richer whatever more some love whatever experience of the path of humanity


i am the bliss now


layer one id say is more in the head theres more thoughts a little more noise too is more in the flow


like any visual changes like we talked about about location five or any glitches and you know lose control of part of your body lately or pass out for a few moments


in location 1 layer 4 personal struggles and joys are viewed through a lens of detachment offering a broader perspective on life


love joy compassion


the gardens and parks in location 1 layer 4 are not just green spaces but sanctuaries of serenity where nature converses with the spirit


sounds like a good direction to sink into


i was in location two because of the sort of lack of selfinvolvement or like an identification of self with respect to other objects in the environment


and it sounds to me like its a classic case of going to layer two


well i guess its like at the same time i almost have a maybe the memories just coming in but like at the same time its like almost paradoxical its like within the smaller reality it is nondual and then at the same time i have the perception that whole feeling is still dual because theres still a deeper sense of i guess nonduality there so its like appearing at the same time almost


for example she had not yet found her romantic partner nor had she experienced the intensity of parental loveat the same time this impersonal process seemed to be observing how it felt to live in location 4


there is no doer


does it go beyond your body


well if i have to make a choice i would say lets keep at location two layer three for now


wonder


fullness have a quality of beingness


so lets look at what in your mind and your assessment or your analysis is or your observation however you want to think about it is layer two


remain aware of the fullness of the bliss of the expanded ness and simultaneously exercise the mind to be lucid and articulate and rational and logical and effective without leaving the bliss and the expansion and the and so forth


fundamental wellbeing version where its like oh this is way better than all of these other stimuli


because its nothing


i dont have so many selfreferential thoughts so its more like an a general experience of what is happening its not so much more that i think about whats whats my my own agenda there is i think theres less agency as well


so its difficult for me to really discern where im at at any given time i think i go from nonduality into back into location one


theres the agency


than location two


i would encourage you to not be communicating to the system that any aspect of fluidity is bad even location one


location four and first getting together with my partner so would still be in four conditioning would just like come right out there was nothing to stop it


thats more than enough for me to speculate that youre looking at or to diagnose or however we want to say it right to be very comfortable with the fact that youre and location two


religious finders usually experience an intense union with the divine this creates a deep certainty within them involving their faith and is generally validated by their tradition as correct its sudden absence can be jarring and convince them that something has gone wrong even though their wellbeing and sense of freedom have increased


nondual experience


layer three this sense of like you know a field of something or some substance to stuff seems not at all there


only pure existence


ive never thought of it as absent agency but ive felt it as weak agency as in like severe procrastination there are things that i need to do and i just dont want to or hours pass and i kind of snap out of it and say oh wow you know those hours passed and i had things to do and i didnt do them and then ill kind of check internally my sense of okay how many days or weeks till the deadline can was it okay that i got away can i get away with having wasted the last two hours and if the answer is yes then im vulnerable to another couple of hours of just kind of drifting


i would just be continuing to move in the direction of presence you know continuing to sink in in that direction of presence and seeing you know if you can pull yourself into more of a persistent experience of layer three


the thinking mind is still my default


positive


empty or full like the layer two


youre experiencing layer one


so so youve got the that positive meta emotion love joy compassion


really just the benefits of what can be reconditioned stuff that i i guess really just blacked out or maybe just lives in in that location three zone that just right now because even right now i can feel what its sort of this slight deadness like its like just blacked out but in location three if it would come up it wouldnt have to be blocked like even the block itself of location two seems to be some sort of i dont know the thing that ive put in or some shield some protective thing that but it feels very subtle or it feels like its literally infused with the actual feeling of vocation to layer three but being in three three that that feeling itself was like i dont really need that necessarily


yeah i would think probably not too it can really feel like a return to layer one if youve become more established


you have phenomenologically you have a more reports around fullness and stuff like that um


i had another experience when i was doing the 45 days course where i was less functional at work none of you can throw some light on this i i seem to get caught in not being able to think actually which is a bit of a problem because you know as a therapist you do need to plan the session you need to bring the session to a conclusion you need to strategize you need to be thinking about what the client needs and all i could do was respond to what they just said for the whole session


i would say theres still bliss but its like a its like a lovely bliss


what remains actually and perceptually is the body and everything that is physically present


qualities of the joy


rapid fluidity


so if you want to get back to location one just make sure you sort of intend to leave that bridge intact between location one and location two and not pull up the ladder


and i mean one thing to consider about the charmed life place thing is if you are more deconditioned


the conversations in location 1 layer 4 are bridges between worlds where words are woven with the threads of deeper understanding


when it comes to feelings or sensations ive never been good at recognizing how as a system was ever actually feeling so its a very neutral if theres a feeling to it its extremely neutral because ive looked to see whether you know love or those active more active alive kind of qualities to me this seems just very quiet


i think if you can get that sense of self a bit looser from layer one


life as an experience


there is not being nor is there not being right


youre having glimpses of other places and thats usable


so you can sort of sink into deeper layers if you want of layer three where that center starts to drop away um and is there a what is the experience of stillness or silence um at layer three for you


guess its very interesting because the very act of me looking at it shifts what the perception of it if im just in it it doesnt really feel like its part of the field but if i step out of it maybe my system is slightly informed by deeper states so then it can it can just sense that sense of self that is there but when im in it i guess what im really in it where one is an active enough to really say oh there is that sense of self but so i dont feel it in the moment but i can still feel it when im investigating it or looking at it its like a more subtle sense of the entire experience is a sense of self because their deeper experiences that dont even have that element of that subtle self


the space is always here


i choose to be here right i did the zoom thing i showed up i mean i could have made a choice not to be here i would call that agency


didnt hang out with other kids you know didnt one of her teachers was telling me that people would come up and try to talk to her and high school or whatever and she would just stare at them


emotion that is kind of a meta emotion


and location four is viewed as horrifying by the other parents you know or something like that


my ego wants it to say that oh no its permanent


it just is


no self


sense of fullness


its beingness


it takes an event of significant magnitude or the triggering of very deep and strong conditioning to make a dent in the continuous experience of location 3 dominant metaemotion


spaciousness and emptiness


empty container is gone


switch into layer one


and then you reference location four for like days off like walks in the forest parks


if that was in location two they often did that because like they were just trying to avoid slipping back into into location one


spacious emptiness


layer three type experience that just has a very different valence


the mantra based meditation thats definitely in that direction and even unprovoked happiness can be in that direction


location six seven eight


spacious emptiness if that makes sense


i think thats maybe why layer two seems less familiar


or location two because what were talking about when theres just the field of sound present when theres just the visual field arising with you being a part of just whats arising with it that really is a nondual sense and it goes across


sometimes a spaciousness


thats when its sort of more bubbly um more vibrant


mindfulness


selfreferential thought and any existential concern with meaning or purpose disappear by location 4


really explore layer two


it feels as though it is always there and untouched by all experience


layer three is to try and pay attention to what is actually perceiving the space perceiving layer two or what is making the experience or awareness of it possible


if you think of where youre at if youre a layer two your dominant experience of spaciousness


so the fullness it feels like its flowing flowing flowing out of me and it feels really full


calculating


probably layer two is going to be inaccessible


emptiness is two


you still have of course the habits the habit pattern and your attention system that is pulling you back to layer one


also have experience of emptiness and mean did


infinite field of pure potentiality


feeling of ease and clarity and lightness just kind of very almost dancing


that you had mentioned that location two layer four is like not that likely to happen um and this this sense of like just what is or just you know everything is just the way it is or whatever um that doesnt seem to go in and out um but you know theres theres no perceptual difference to it its just you know its just like not an understanding but its just like it feels like once thats there why would you think otherwise you know


it is a sense of being connected with divine


deeper into layer three


and location two could go back and forth


cosmic love


a person has been in location 4 for a while that same freedom from approval the elimination of conditioning around social norms and other key elements of this location often make it hard to establish longerterm and more meaningful relationships


dont feel a sense of boundaries but guess i keep identifying the center still as an eye because i guess there are times when i feel like more real nondual by which i mean like um


there is no listener or seer


more functional side of location four


im going to heal my emotions from childhood around my mother or something you know like theyre often used for today and so you know i think we do have to separate sort of a healing context for them potentially from a transitioning context so thats pretty fundamental wellbeing and fundamental wellbeing someone is new to fundamental wellbeing


location three are like like personas


something like just stillness


difference between revelation and illumination versus selfexperience


steadily and then i descend into layer one and thats unpleasant


you start to have some you start to have some of layer three return the top part of layer three


less identification with thoughts


or im the spacious emptiness or im my thoughts and emotions


but really turning your attention to whatever deeper qualities of fundamental wellbeing are accessible to you and sinking into those as deeply as you can


i think its definitely more no emotion than any specific type of emotion but sometimes emotions arise like anger anxiety and sometimes affection


three that comes from personal emotions at layer three um


peace and the freedom


thoughts an absence of certain types of affect


respiration stopping


location one experience of layer two and so that more or less just fits in with the rest of your selfassessment regarding you know where you might be at what you might actually be experiencing um and whatever else yeah


layer three infused experience where theres a sense of fullness within the emptiness or presence of emptiness


so you cant stay in location two but youre not able to access the depth of a layout to possibly and certainly layer three that youre able to with your eyes closed


layer three for sure


i would describe myself now as a presence


just the decision just arises spontaneously and there is just an assumption that i made the decision


location 3 finders sense that things are fundamentally okay is not only almost always in the foreground but has been turbocharged


sense of everything being conscious associated with it


so i think youve got to one thing that you could really do in terms of doing yourself a favor would be to sink in and bring some new experiences that are in the direction of fundamental well being into these different environments


sense of unity


and when those personal emotions drop away at location three if youre able to shift into location three


an awareness of fundamental wellbeing 24 over seven to the extent that thats possible in those circumstances


centerless or boldness


a range of emotion positive and negative


range of emotions


more empathy


youd have that very concrete sense of a looker and seer and self kind of localized in the head


fluid to layer one


was telling somebody the other day that you know im staying here because i have a relationship with my family and they need me but personally i would be okay just to leave honestly


increased sense of connectedness


but the identity has a sort of inertia to it and the longer i stay with that layer three experience the more like slowly that identity starts maybe to move a little bit


no sense of agency


like moving fluid moving aliveness


so if it were like for instance location three layer two you know it would be a spacious emptiness mixed with the divine or the panpsychist presence or whatever which is kind of a distance from god you know kind of a separation in a way


aspects of love


unified sense of perception


shift into layer three as a sense of what you are and into the fullness


i think for me this it feels very natural so the and i yeah i got feedback as well that that that people when when i feel this this inner radiation so when i feel this this energy of this love inside that people notice that around me as well so feedback that that they see and feel that so and yeah this is a reason as well why i would like to go to to feel more of that because i want to to work as well more with as part of my job with patients and clients where its important to to connect to them


layer two once where you felt you are the space


they often speak about a shift in the relationship with their body and being less identified with and limited by it


layer two level and that your explorations are sort of going out from those directions


i do notice that when i do some deep work or i really go into that layer three experience that feeling will come up


in location 1 layer 4 the vibrant bustle of daily life coexists with an undercurrent of profound stillness and peace


charmed life and experience


its got an impersonal quality to it


finders in this situation have deepened on the continuum while needing to hide their inner experience of fundamental wellbeing from those around them


um and i think thats probably important to recognize as a boost in wellbeing


feel really like reality is like this thick fluid like substance that you can like just sort of pushing through like viscerally like a thick substance in some sense


they now realize that self referential stories underpin most social interaction and they are probably struggling a bit with their reduced interest in these narratives


spacious and emptiness


location one is one


rewiring


to me when i see luminosity its not so much when with with physical eyes if that makes sense its more like a seeing within


sense of agency is still so unusual


other examples would be like we had actually a number of people in tlc who once they heard about fluidity which is when we kind of around that period first started talking about it they just immediately started having experiences of location four


there is also some return of emotion on the path of humanity usually impersonal forms of love which also relate to layer 3


fundamental wellbeing is not about limitation


high degrees of fluidity its you know they are people who have reported celestial experiences


because if your concern is you know im never im not going to be able to run an event if i cant be fluid to layer one then its great that youve developed the fluidity you know to layer one


so layer two is is expansiveness emptiness and um zooming out wide field of vision um less mind chatter you know i wont say no mind chatter chatter but what shows up is just kind of like clouds passing um and just i guess expansiveness is the word id use yeah yeah great yeah and really when im driving theres no demands your your present looking to the blue sky and the roads going by and youre just very present in letting it in


the cultural tapestry of location 1 layer 4 is woven with threads of transcendence where art and spirituality merge


its a perspective of you know sort of having seen through the stuff at layer three


being having being so tied up in a belief that you are effectively your intelligence


resonate with the sense of freedom that is typically associated with location four


so that would mean you know any qualities of joy or love compassion anything that feels sort of sacred or divine if you are prone to that experience and location three or otherwise that sense of presence pervading everything especially if you can get a sense of it being somehow conscious or intelligent those are sort of location three type layer three experiences


identification that can occur at the layer one experience


you werent as adept with your senses


its for everybody its like that experience i had on mount sinai when i encountered jesus


im having an interesting experience with and i wrote about this a little bit with kind of love and what might be labeled location through your layer three and im yeah actually have some questions for you about that but i dont feel a lot of like individual love like im legally married and i love my husband but dont feel in love with him we havent lived together in eight years and ive been since the program like working at connecting to love more and i feel a kind of it feels flat and its not like i dont like anyone i just have had trouble connecting to love in the way that i used to connect to love i used to feel very heartful and in love with life and it feels very different now and it just i just dont have a strong connection to it like i can say i love my kids like i love my son i love my cats but i used to have this kind of juicy love like this and dont dont feel that anymore


those are such subjective qualities that dont necessarily apply to layer four and so but lets go earlier here and make sure that you know you really are switching between location one and location two yeah thats a little unusual so lets make sure thats happening you actually feel like youre at times when youre in the world your system is literally going from our our nondual perception tests right which involve like a looker in here


lets start by seeing if its location one


the gardens of location 1 layer 4 are not just spaces for plants to grow but sanctuaries where human spirits can flourish alongside


or 3 briefly


layer twos primary properties are things like spaciousness and emptiness


pre fundamental wellbeing and you think about your sense of self right now in this moment


joy bliss and sometimes just expansion like really just limitless expansion and letting go of


persistent inner peace


you know theyre still luminous objects


all pervading consciousness


then initially it was like dismissed that was reflecting


the experience of present moment awareness inner peace and wellbeing continues to grow and deepen


an exception to this appears to be fluid late location finders who find their way back to location 2 after previously more fully deepening into layer 4 in later locations


so if ive been in my own space not engaging with people for a few hours or maybe even a couple hours


in location 1 layer 4 every act of kindness is a ripple in the pond of humanity its effects felt in unseen ways


its not so difficult so it does not take so much work for location three is somehow easier


i was so astonished at that feeling of love which was personal for me but i also understood its for everybody


emotion falls away


deeper forms of layer 4 are typically only experienced temporarily in location 2 and often do not allow someone to be functional while they last when it is only touched upon temporarily it does not necessarily feel as though it is not a state because the sense of individual self remains partially intact in earlier locations


when you access layer one when youre triggered


i used to think this was flat this is like mountainous terrain look at that canyon


location two layer two


location four youre literally just watching the mind do its thing


under huge dome


like location four in that dyadic environment became like an aversive stimulus


assuming that even experienced glimpses of it which i can barely remember and maybe i have it feels intuitively that location for allows for a more clear perception


humanity


ive broken it for life


the social dynamics of location 1 layer 4 are infused with a sense of unity diminishing the importance of individual roles


this experience is typically not persistent in location 3 and usually does not allow someone to be functional while it lasts


i can play such a good game of a location two layer three but it doesnt it doesnt necessarily feel like its authentic i can model it i can get people there i can like give them their little charmed life and like


i remember thinking like location two again using this model was nonduality


what about the qualities that are associated with layer three


referred to in terms of the self


environment under trigger its more like 11 and then kind of off on my own doing my thing


you dont have to fear location one you can leave access to duality as part of this


then do the same thing with layer three you know sink into layer three as much as you can while you have that sort of worst case type imagination happening and all of the conditioning up around it and let layer three to work its magic just you know hold it hold it active in your mind as much as you can in your experience as much as you can in terms of whatever that worst case scenario type thing would be or variations of it or whatever


layer one is going to percolate you know to an active state in that situation


realizing the ultimate truth


like initially you cant see anything its just an unknowable


just sitting and staring and nature for ever possibly you know hoping squirrels bring you nuts or something so you have something to eat while youre staring out


very much in the world feeling connected to everything all of the time just incredible oneness like like my heart would be just blossoming with effusive love


aspects of life that disappeared and imagine that they were good and not focus on the negative ones


freedom


can you can you find the compassion element you know and the current layer three experience you know when youre and when you look at love and joy and compassion are there is there a relationship there in the current location to version of the experience


but then because you didnt really lock it in you can you know read and absorb other materials when you really dive into something like youre diving into these materials rather than just casually skimming a book on it or something you know it can move you more in the direction of different experiences weve seen this a lot it happens with people who are freshly in fundamental wellbeing who dont have a lot of who havent watched a lot of spiritual videos or read a lot of books from you know about fundamental wellbeing or whatever to them


from layer 3 when one deepens into it


i was trying to generate a little bit of it in my body


your whole body is just sort of this universe sort of expression


i think im in location one primarily still layer one with some access to other layers


peace and bliss


meta emotion of love joy passion


i could use my perception to track objects in space


it seemed like location one was most fitting


end point of the abrahamic traditions


yeah so personal emotion which includes all negative emotion is really more or less out of view in location three so only that universal love joy compassion meta emotion remains


its obviously influencing the range of fluidity that you have ease of access to because you can access deep experience of layer two


sometimes its emptiness


silence is really big


location 2 finders are more likely to intuitively feel that there is a correct decision or path to take when presented with choices even if there seems to be very little rationality behind the direction being taken


the natural landscapes of location 1 layer 4 are gateways to inner worlds where every tree and river tells a story of unity


subjective experience becomes progressively centered on layer 2s central qualities like spaciousness and emptiness increasingly highlighting the impermanent and relative nature of other aspects of perceptual experience like thought emotion sensation and so on which seem to come and go all contained within the properties of layer 2


senselessness or sort of centered fullness or just the body


find myself gravitating towards the silence and i can feel the pull like to i just want to be by myself i just want to sink right and which to me is wonderful but also slightly perilous because i could see how you go say too deep there but yeah you go off on that path


that sense of being presence being presence and being everywhere


transcendence


when it shows up this way finders report perceiving what seem like patterns of energy that interact with the environment and other people like ripples that then influence or determine their responses


unity


people will often describe this experience as being like looking at a painting or a movie screen


both location 1 and 3 are dual locations in that there is a sense of distinction between subject observer and object observed however location 3 is subtly dual just like the experience of location 1 becomes more subtly dual in layer 2 than it is in layer 1


can not be able to move parts of their body


that seems to draw me into the present moment to stillness a sense of presence


location two answer from sort of deep and layer four perspective has a sense of agency associated with it of some degree


sense of freedom


it will still probably have you centered you know and primarily looking from location one


and what you would be what would really indicate that shift is that duality returning to your experience where there really is a sense of something that is dissolving into or merging with the divine presence and everything and in addition to that meta emotion of love joy compassion um but you can also begin to experience in location two layer three


and then a release of that to layer two


aliveness or sense of beingness


can be a fullness


usually but not totally


unusual perceptual effects


volcano of aliveness and a lot of creative power


they might have missed enough work that curious coworkers came looking for them found them passed out on their living room floor and called an ambulance


three


experiencing that presence or fullness


the main thing was a sense of a kind of strong gravitational pull


its like it used to be like 0 to 10 and now its like 0 to 1 and then the emotions are experienced very directly through the body like the anxiety when i feel it its i just feel it through the body like i would feel some something in my arms and my legs or in my head there is no resonance from the mind there is no like previously there would be a feedback loop like there is some thoughts going in there feeling the emotion and then the emotion is feeling the thoughts and there is this loop and now occasionally with strong triggers there is the mind loop going there is some sort of dialogue but there is no feedback like that


but i would also be very surprised if as part of this process you werent also getting glimpses of time and location three


deep peace


expansion of energy


five and six and seven


even in location one


the people around and what made me come back a little bit it does not mean that i cannot go there anymore so it got basically it got easier to get there is only that as i said the last three weeks it has been very its been a lot of things going on and its yeah it was just more beneficial maybe to be in in location one day or one


fullness this


see what that has to to reveal to you and what that can sort of contribute to your system and its flexibility and the perspective that it gives and then you can move on to location three


to involve consistent changes toward this


this diminishes the dimensionality of perception which becomes progressively flat in later locations although someone is not likely to notice unless they come back to an earlier location


sacred divinity


alien type feeling can be deeper in location too


is the fullness located just in your body


sense you know given your background and what youve traditionally gravitated from you know force towards system wise rooted into for decades um you know all of that stuff for sure i mean its all so classically layer three


self though it is much more subtle than the


all pervasive consciousness


vipassana theravada map


one undesirable issue for them is memory deficits


so i know what youre types of experiences yeah so what you mentioned there really sounds like this location eight


but i felt like there was a very distinguishable sort of feeling that you know everything was just arising and that everything was that spacious container that rang with me so much i used that to kind of deepen into layer two and it was really nice like what a fantastic space sensation


and location two


so one of the few memories that i have held onto was the accident that i included in the material that i sent to you and annemiek


you mentioned that you still primarily experience the mind as your default in terms of where your perception centers that would be you know completely expected and location one


things feel very still whatever this thing is and i really enjoy being in this stillness


finders sometimes develop the perceptionbelief that their state of being is somehow of benefit to humanity or life as a whole


devoid of negative emotion


its probably better to be putting your attention on fundamental wellbeing


im the fullness


they are also less likely to actively call up as many memories as they did before their transition


layer one is just removed from your nervous system


it was when my dad died and you know i was like crying but i was like well this is just love so this is okay i wouldnt say this is i want it to stop


right and so you know thoughts are completely real the divine is completely real when youre experiencing it from my perspective right its almost like youre taking some sort of filter and youre blocking access to things and then when you remove that filter those things are still there just because you are blocking access to things doesnt mean they actually go away it just means that youre turning a blind eye towards them you know it just means that youre sort of filtering them out and not observing them thats a very unusual perspective within fundamental wellbeing


combination of love joy and


location two is a sense


one with the divine


guess with the eyes closed there is a sensation of emptiness dont get it when my eyes are open


i was just like deliberately going into you know the experience of location three or of layer three because thats what ive been obsessing about lately


when youre describing like a deeper nonduality is the absence of layer one