certainly that doesnt preclude you working on layer three


feeling of connectedness and union


range of affect


divine


compassion joy and love


to be really functional as opposed to location two layer three


self referential thoughts continue to go down


so i can feel for example centreless untouchable and presence i do not feel joy but i can i can feel a lot of stillness


only reality just unfolding


youre deep in location two


fluidity and the highly sensitive person high absorption you know sort of sense is what im


i need to work and no decisions need to be made


changes in goals and motivation and expanded sense of self are more present moment focus


the sense of time seems to be fading like past and future seem irrelevant


it makes sense that lets say what you mentioned around food and as recognizable feel to it id almost say but again right now it doesnt seem to me like in in the celestial like more the inbetween and but still eat meat but im quite picky to the feel of it and and but the same with anything actually so in that case like that i recognize what you say and there is a sex drive but and how can i describe that its like a little bit with like with thoughts right now like um my testosterone levels are normal and i can see that doing things in my body but its like this this distance i can see things happening moving in the body but its not me if that makes any sense


synchronistic unfolding


ability to report on the unfolding


vastness


do you stay at sort of more of a dominant place of layer two


a sense of stillness is always deeper as you deepen in that direction


theres an assumed sense of agency in that i can make a decision i can decide to do something and do it


but if not like the usual like in my daily life its more like layer one


pan psychic


no lines just horizons


layer two or and i have had like particularly in gis like a feeling of fullness almost like something thats about to burst or an excited anticipation or potential


not really it feels pretty full it feels more full


you know some of the things in terms of location two


that resulted in participants reporting a sense of


it yeah it feels its like the space between objects between main objects and the that that things objects are thing that space yeah and if i go a bit deeper when ive been doing like a deeper meditation i get to a point where its there is the center that im like the center


this is as far as you can get away perceptually from the experience of the mind and also from the experience of and association with the body in location 1


seems like a different kind of stillness than before like this is the real stillness i mean its just one thing after another after another after another um that makes me think you probably have landed in a location four less


had no more voice in my head and lost all sense of agency motivationpurpose because everything was fine


theres more silence in my system in location two


deepening towards location 3 will result in eventually reaching a point where negative emotions are only rarely experienced


but the vibrancy and the richness and the aliveness and fullness and all of that are qualities of layer three those really fall away layer four


this single metaemotion itself is a near constant experience and companion at location 3


location 3 has love that tends more towards the latter


no possibility of anything beyond it or any thing being outside of it


only single positive


like a combination of impersonal or divine


location five effects would be more like seeing inner luminescence to things


layer one is going to be very present and subjective experience and you know the quality


location 8


the nonduality the way it showed up


um lets stick those aside for now and lets stay with sort of the spacious emptiness thing and also some of the location two qualities


layer 2 is accessible in location 4 although it is far from the default and is usually experienced from a deeper layer


this notion loses all meaningthere is no inside and no outside no locality or reference point at all


sense of merging


but if you say do you have emotions and they say no then not surprisingly you inquire into the major components of location for do they have a sense of agency do they did they ever have a divine or panpsychist sense and if so is it gone


the love joy rich qualities can show up in layer three


two is something like a sense of spaciousness or a sense of


unity or oneness of two different types


perceived is as an allpervading unmoving luminous field that is both the source of experience and which experiences everything


sensing glitches


and youre using the method that gets people to location four so think you can safely take that to be location for what pulled you out of it


and also layer three


the disappearance of the presence and all of that


so we dont really spend time talking about the layer two center


laying on of hands healing days


at that point thats out of reach in all likelihood unless somehow you come in at a lower layer in location four


layer one is interesting because theres like the active thought with the words the narrative in the head


layer four of location four


and so thats another practice that you can just keep doing you know see exactly how deep you can get into stillness on the times when youre sick and tired of trying to widen out the aperture or look at what else might be happening just sink into stillness


commonly perceived all of these layers


and so thats a deeper experience of both or of layer two than just directly experiencing it


im pretty sure youve been past location six so lets see where how far out you might have gone


i do but its but its very sort of quick and quick and its


in location 1 layer 4 learning transcends books and classrooms life itself becoming the greatest teacher


that i dont know how we deserve it and its not even a deserved thing but its there for all of us and its so its so astonishing that im just in awe and in humbleness and thats so thats part of that echo of that experience on mt sinai comes through thats what im thats whats coming through when i receive the eucharist and its not even an echo its pretty strong sometimes


intelligence behind it


layer 3 can remain accessible in location 4 though usually only the deepest centerless aspects of it


probably it would have been associated with maybe union with the bliss or something like that


complete simplicity


alone


returning to layer 1 perceptually for its functional properties can be appropriate and practical at times and in a fluid system where a finder has access to more than one layer access to layer 1 does not need to compromise access to the deeper layers


sensing the presence of life and everything rather than feeling like you are all of it or youre pervading all of it


but that is in fact our default state of being at least my default state of being for decades possibly yours too if you werent always in fundamental well


the thing the thing to keep in mind is that for a system for a layer four location four especially but youre sort of close enough you know youre like a hair away from the thing type system what reading those books will do is basically prime you basically primes the system


darkness


your love for your wife


the experience of it can go in the direction of deep stillness and peace which can have very little affect and appear similar to location 4 or the experience can be infused with joy love or even a sense of sacredness or divinity which might appear more similar to location 3


have positive and negative


and in essence what theyve talked their system into doing is having a new habit pattern you know take over as the baseline for where attention is fixated which is why when they can lose fundamental well being and all that really means is their attention is going back to and fixating back on the old habit patterns that they had of the individualized sense of self


the richness that appears when you experience the eucharist or sink into those experiences you also have those dimensions of layer three to sink into


im there is just a much stronger sense of awareness and its much easier to get distance from from thoughts when im when im not really doing anything like i would like i would go sit and chat with a friend


location 2 as form of nonduality


just the space


its like im kind of feeling the room that im in for example like literally actually kind of feeling it and theres a sense of ease and and the liveness and and also you know if i relax my perception ive been able to do this for ten 15 years one day it just happened in a moment you know if i relax my perception it feels like im seeing waves of energy so in the room and kind of just perceiving that around people or just you know just looking straight ahead um so i feel like on different levels perceptually im kind of picking up on things there as well and that doesnt feel empty it feels quite full in that sense yeah


funny


layer 3 has a quality of allpervading fullness and beingness it tends to be difficult to access within location 1 and the experience typically remains temporary and shallower than at other locations


looking through my eyes


im not in fundamental wellbeing


senseless


in location 3 subjective experience tends to default to layer 3


might not seem true at all in location


youre here now youre in fundamental wellbeing


experiences of layer two you get the the spaciousness and you also get a sense of emptiness


location for


so you have a situation where you have you know very early on maybe at age two and a half three and a half four something like that had some motor learning occur or had some sensory processing skill develop


its quite unusual for people to really get out of layer one in location one


in location 2 this is a nondual experience of layer 2that is the perception of separation between subject observer and object observed is dissolvedand so it feels as though one is indistinct from the space in which everything arises and deeper into the layer that one is indistinct from the substance of everything arising as well


since ive been in fundamental wellbeing ive been communicating


impersonal love sense merging


i was bouncing back from location four i feel peaceful


merger


no doer


the fullness the presence


range of emotions these individuals experience becomes increasingly positive and negative emotions become less frequent


yeah thats like when i said that like location four is the new two yeah like that obviously theres theres all this stuff happening and how much you know how much of it is just subjective experience and it feels like all these things are in operation doing what they need to do


being dogmatic and convinced


nothing appears to have individual existence of itself distinctions begin to fade into the flatness which happens increasingly the further out in locations one goes


when we used words for it before we went to numbers we used awareness we called it the awareness layer


but thought maybe let me put layer one because it obviously was a huge shift when i realized i this presence was everywhere and is everything and everything that id ever read i was now experiencing it except i didnt expect to go into mourning


the loss of perceptual access to layer 2 can affect things like dimensionality of perception which becomes progressively flat in later locations


very full and rich


beyond an experience of being or beingness


can seem like a gift


an exception to this appears to be fluid late location finders who find their way back to location 3 after having more fully deepened into layer 4 in later locations


beyond all opposites


and then you can start you know when we start the layer three session


the fullness and the presence


massive landscape in layer three


im not sure if you meant every single layer of layer four for example probably more just like what makes sense and you say for that i need to get to location for layer four


rarely there you know when youre in location when youre in what you think is location two layer two thats just the default experience thats rarely the default experience you know that type of thing as well


happiness love gratitude joy


the path of freedom remains emotionless the path of humanity


perception of the spaciousness


experience of spaciousness that youre experimenting with the sense of some emptiness that you can get when you close your eyes


maybe a sense of freedom that simple phrase but kind of has a certain allure to it


sense of the nonduality


lot of joy


its kind of like its always there regardless of the type of nonduality


enlightenment


and that works out really well if youre christian because obviously youre trying to get to you know location three ideally and you know get the whole union with the divine thing maxed out or even the godhead experience if you go beyond the union with the divine thing and and all of that


qualities of love


the ability to love


increase things like the motivation problem


nonduality and location two


its also hard for me to differentiate between this sort of universal love that i feel and im in this really deep romantic relationship with my wife of 45 years and i really love her and so a lot of times i think shes kind of like the focus of this overall love that i feel is she becomes like a focal point for it


fundamental wellbeing also does not typically show up as persistent equanimity or bliss in location 1 as some also believe will be the case


right now i dont even really like the idea of choosing between going for the path of freedom


really busy with the mind


love and compassion


so it could take between 5 minutes to 30 minutes to i probably have to go through layer two and then start to fill the spaciousness or calm my body and the anxiety and the work stuff down enough


richness of the experience


layer 1


terms of spaciousness


obviously because youre in a sort of shallow ish spot in location one thats not really powerful


in location 1 layer 4 every drop of rain is a melody a harmonious blend of natures song and the rhythms of existence


compassion of location seven its just so touching and heartwarming


so a lot of the things that i wrote about later were not even when i was in fundamental wellbeing


it cant go to layer two


that wouldnt have been completely common because i think in location four you do have to be careful of your unconscious biases


attitudes and their around praise and love and ascension


location two at a period in your life where there were more ups and downs


finders typically seem completely normal in social


kind of gets remapped onto or with the experience of fundamental wellbeing of that underlying sense of okayness


facets such as love are felt as divine or universal or at a minimum impersonal


fundamental okayness


this can lead to reduced motivation to do things in daytoday life until a new


changes in the visual system seem to occur beginning around location 5


perceived change in agency


density fullness aliveness is


that experience is relative to the experience of self and is a positionality or fixation in a perspective or reference point


id say it is infused with the layer three experience that im having if i look into it its yes that sense of self is in its in the field its like its like almost i dont know if it contains the field


nothing like not much emotion going on


okay unprovoked happiness does happen to be the method that is most reliable for getting finders to location four


there there is like a distinct sense of self there when youre in it


anxiety


especially the ones that involve stories and that this can begin around location 2


as someone grows up in fundamental wellbeing and anybody can be anywhere in between you know those two extremes you know youve had a corporate job youve done other stuff so clearly youve been able to function just fine you talk exactly like id expect you to talk in terms of you know these are just shows i put on for other people or basically and theyre kind of automated shows at this point they just sort of come on when they need to come on which of course they would by this point


and so if youre deeper in just the spaciousness and youre really sunk into it and whatnot


do you feel like its the fullness thats perceiving the spaciousness as in is your sense of what you are remaining kind of rooted in layer three and sort of becoming aware of the spaciousness or emptiness


what you what youre describing by stepping back may be placing more attention on the layer two qualities that are also in your experience or it might be some shift in terms of where your sense of self is centered


location 2 they almost exclusively experience positive emotions


thats certainly possible i can understand you know a sense of aliveness in the body right being comingled with an aliveness with sort of the aliveness as one of the words or one of the one of the aspects of the sense of presence


in location 1 layer 4 the breaking of dawn is a daily rebirth an invitation to begin anew with each ray of light a beacon of hope


it seems like sort of silence and stillness type of that sort of thing is central to everything that you talk about


things are seen with more distance and objectivity and one typically becomes less reactive the downside of this is that it can be a great place to escape the mind and disassociate from psychological conditioning this is usually whats meant when people speak about spiritual bypassing


no mans land


by sinking into the qualities of layer three


mentally quieter


there is fullness i do experience fullness


not a divine type of love


no agency


probably your work youre going to be working on deepening into probably layer two


but was that experience that you have of the divine presence that you have in location two


spaciousness and stillness and emptiness qualities


sometimes emptiness


its lovely and comforting and it feels like theres a pleasant weight to it theres some sense of weight and pressure but its totally pleasant


aliveness yeah the aliveness sensation wouldnt be layer three you know strictly you know it may correlate to layer three


you know there are other side benefits you know its but one of the benefits of that system is the authority associated with it you know having someone say okay now this and feeling a sense in the system very much like a christian does and turning something over to jesus or turning something over to christ or something like that right so its up to you to do that in this case and youve seen this a million times and people who have come to you you know hoping to transition to fundamental wellbeing theyve got to give permission to give up their old life


seer


loss of all separation and the possibility of description from nothing is difficult to get to


layer three of location two um in that direction


a really strong grounding in layer two


presence ever there without the spaciousness


the level of stillness and silence is just like you know another magnitude beyond whats there in layer two so when i feel that it feels like i am that new level of stillness in addition to all the pervasive stuff thats going on too so i think im actually getting there and not sitting back and saying from this spacious emptiness im aware of this other stuff thats going on out there and yet its more still than it was a couple of minutes ago before i made the shift


for example if this if i forget to pay attention i might go with the feeling and thoughts for for some time but but once i pay attention i can quickly go back to later two so


its very functional


things are rewiring at that level and the sense of self is being somehow pulled out of all of that you know and in such a way that even if you go back to like location 2


i didnt like it but somewhere in that timeframe i just lost all concern for for speaking and i lost any need to prepare right come out of the management consulting world where we had dry runs of endless powerpoint presentations you know timed right


but after the storm is gone i can go back to the calmness and enjoyable ness and


i feel like really just im in layer one i think when im busy


sometimes i think maybe that is like a layer four glimpse


awareness knowingness


in location 4 participants reported no sense of


like it just appears in the whole space versus coming from me or from the center


between location three


layer three is really like joyous


that divine love joy


doesnt feel like it has an ending feels bigger than the house


like i might have been location two or something and then just like glimpse


up to date location nine


everything being fully loved


this further deepens and increases their immersion in the present moment


then the fullness that you mentioned from experiences of layer three


a finder cannot feel merged with an outside force like god if s  he is experiencing nondual perception because the person would not have a sense of anything existing outside of him or herself to merge with


the mind has a gravity to it in location 1 which usually means that subjective experience defaults to mental activity when a finder is not actively sinking in to deeper layers


its not necessarily because its temporary and because the reference point is remaining at layer one um its kind of its not necessarily reflecting on and deepening into the sense of actually being that all pervading presence even though that is your subjective experience if i ask you about it yeah


i think having introspect is a bit more i had some i was getting married in may this year so i had some resistance to the idea of progressing beyond layer two or maybe layer three because i felt that it would be doing a disservice to my partner to go into marriage without experiencing love


its kind of like a shallow experience of nonduality


there was just one thing i wanted to say its interesting listening to the way youre speaking because youll the way youre phrasing your experience by saying theres no me or i disappear or you know theres no self there is actually relative to the reference point of your ordinary sense of self so if you stabilize in layer three and really have that be your sense of self its theres more of a tendency to just say well am you know this kind of all pervading field of presence


layer three standpoint


up through layer three and that location three experience which is where you get such ready access


layer one that you have greatly reduced selfreflexive thought story and past future


they theres such an immediacy of presence of in the moment ness that takes over in location for that you would not necessarily have the top end location


joy love and the divine as indicatorsjoy is another common indicator that is used as feedback by some in locations 2 and 3


and you actually had that experience very energetically


and when theres that increased activity its kind of covariate with all of that social stuff right and so theres not a desire to you know theres a desire to not have people around because they dont want the individualized sense of self to trigger and all of the emotional stuff around it and it sort of in a way drags them in the wrong direction from a fundamental wellbeing standpoint now conversely if youve been in it since childhood what weve seen are indications that these these same brain structures that develop an individualized sense of self and ordinary people actually develop a non individualized sense of self and a more fundamental wellbeing oriented sense of self right so they can actually be more active just like they would be and someone whos in fundamental wellbeing but that activity is actually you know varied with fundamental wellbeing itself and if you then suppress that activity in some point either with neurofeedback or with brain stimulation or something like that it actually drives them into an individualized sense of self more and they hate it and so its the same brain region but being used completely different ways and we think its just what you know the brain accepted as sort of normal during that developmental process growing up and so youre in a very unique situation because of that you know theres not a huge amount of work thats been done on people that you know that more or less have been in fundamental wellbeing most or all of their life


and for most people that are in fundamental well being because most people arent in location four or later or the furthest highest possible reaches of location three where or location two


spaciousness and emptiness and thoughts and emotions


religious


an example of one potential reason relates to personal love for ones child


when you remember and theres presence which of which of these two things feels more like the case


should i just focus like only on layer two for like a week or two or and then its like trying to because maybe im trying to do too many things sometimes


cosmos appears or its just that eternal existence


everything just collapses down


relying on lists and notes


location one of layer two


lots of energy


will there be a is there when theres a when theres a trigger and you go down


its more about spatial spaciousness than emptiness


the full presence


okayness


to me that would have been an obscure sounding address very recently but based on your work i would say that for the first time in my life hey ive got an address up here it was always general delivery up until this point


its it sounds like what youre experiencing there is is a is an awareness or an ability to perceive layer one and the sense of self that it generates from wherever youre at


layer four and sort of more primed and ready when we make it to that content


but certainly very much in the direction of location three so something that you could use to sink back into and bias your system in the direction of location three


first transition


most people spend their entire lives pursuing various directions that they think are most likely to give them what they want the underlying motivation for all of this comes from the narrativeself and its stories when it diminishes or goes away their motivation structure dramatically changesup to that point a tremendous amount of wiring in their brain has


sense of light


this state is difficult to stabilize and will usually either fall back into layer 3 or pull someones system into location 4 where subjective experience naturally centers in layer 4


i would have to say probably not its just that i think that the mind gets so active in trying to kind of like very quickly come up with things to say or stuff like that that it can feel like


normal person just talking in normal way and then can function very well


where i look for for peace as well


theres a sense of agency that returns


so in layer two i dont have any positive nor negative emotion is like very neutral


so i think you probably said that in your document but in that experience that sounded like location four probably layer two


the sense of perfection experienced in location 4 convinced the process happening within this finder that it did not matter where someone was in life or consciousness it seemed like everything truly was and could only be perfect and that this would be true regardless of whether she remained in location 4 or returned to an earlier location


the looker or seer self and what is being seen whats outside of the self


a feeling that you are the thinker im not sure whether what youre describing is really shifting your identity or whether youre just shifting the focus of your attention to be you know almost entirely occupied with thought or with you know speaking personality aspects and so on so that shift that were looking for if its you know true fluidity to layer one that would mean not only is your attention occupied with the contents of layer one but also the sense of self has moved into layer one like you are the personality you are the thinker you are the one speaking you know generating those


i was reading a book describing someones experience at the time that was a type of unity experience um i feel instantly when um when i finished that book that or midway that book that something happened that i experienced a stronger sense of oneness which was the focus of the book and i also experienced the absence of the boundary and that lasted for a few months until from march to september i think


pervading sort of fullness presence


just joy


and it can be all kinds of stuff for people and you know location four


location two layer three you might find openings especially through that joy over to location three and you can see if that makes sense


layer four characteristics


background sense that things were


so that you know thats there you know i have excellent night vision you know people will go camping and if we go for a hike and a trail and a dark trail people will have flashlights id be like shut those flashlights off you know and they cant see but i can see its like i can see better without the flashlights on and then a few you know sort of you know issues have been like i would be sitting and the the visual field would say half of my box on the zoom call right would start to fill with light and be just wavy and so half was you know normal and half was was light filled and so that happened a few times so ive had sort of those quirky things dont experience the luminosity i think you mentioned that on the call i kind of see a halo effect but its not the way you youve spoken about things being luminous


its very rare its not one of those things that one runs across very often i mean i would be surprised if we run across 100 of them probably at this point out of 10000 people that are in fundamental wellbeing its


sense of self


in location 1 layer 4 the clamor of commerce and creativity coexists with a serene acceptance of lifes impermanence


so at those moments you know realizing am that that empty untouchable um now um yeah uh emptiness


in its own universe


but if someone has gone to location two ordinarily their default is not going to be location two layer one its probably layer two


the dominant quality of layer 2 is the sense of allcontaining spaciousness emptiness expansiveness space nothingness openness and so on


or even location four


location four because i mean like fluidity is the name of the game


i can see either mean i can feel something i guess i would describe it as magical its like a magical mysterious


layer 1 is not the default layer that people transition to or experience in location 3 however it can remainquite accessible


so theres the sort of presence and the emptiness and the spaciousness presence and the spaciousness at the same time um and thats really great


non dual perspective


problems are really creating triggers and triggers are really increasing the volume so to speak or the energy that layer one has in the system


to location 4 finders the words that come out of their mouth and the words that come from the person they are speaking with all seem to originate from the same source


possibility of description from nothing


highest rate of suicide


war zones that occur in the spiritual and religious communities


when it when its more intense its more like love


martinbeen built up in the direction of those desires and the motivations behind them


individualized sense of self had been dissolved


layer three disappearing and so any sense of presence and richness and aliveness


experiencing layer two


as you probably know are best of love and ascension um also unprovoked happiness but thats also good for location for


heightened


being nondual


i had to relearn to use my body my mind my thinking my heart


they may still be working on environmental causes and can be very passionate about helping others reach fundamental wellbeing


location 4 finders simply have no interest in investing significant amounts of time doing that


some people will experience layer 3 as light using descriptions such as the clear light of being or consciousness or awareness or divinity when this is the case one way it is perceived is as an allpervading unmoving luminous field that is both the source of experience and which experiences everything


default is more silence and more peace and more distance from thoughts and emotions you might be rooted in layer two during those times


result in those sorts of characteristics that we have listed underneath location two and the charts and stuff


but now if i feel into the spaciousness it doesnt have boundaries it doesnt have it doesnt really end no so the space seems endless


ill drift back out to usually like layer three


if you the degree to which you want a lot of fluidity is more or less the degree to which youre willing to resist various gravities that show up at different points in fundamental wellbeing


the ego in lay one is active and attached to things like thinking emotion strategizing and logicing things out believing in itself and its importance and pulling me in with addictive pleasure and pain


deep and profound presentmoment experience


my body is constantly being expanded perfected tweaked


location one i feel a little bit of noise id say and conditioning yeah my conditioning comes to the foreground


but you can do a couple of things so you can probe for the visual effects that occur at location five


boredom thing


the craftsmanship of location 1 layer 4 reflects more than skill it embodies the essence of creation a dialogue between maker and material


god without it feeling divine


it was just feeling kind of centerless but now its feeling like there is some kind of a feeling of connected fullness


when the association with this sense of self falls away the smoothing function also falls away and the distinct parts appear less integrated and related this can be very apparent by the time someone reaches layer 3


disassembly and reintegration


visual effects and the sensory glitches


this will often lead location 1 finders to doubt whether they are experiencing fundamental wellbeing persistently however usually the fluctuations they experience involve changes in depth within location 1 and not in and out of fundamental wellbeing


in location 1 layer 4 the act of creation whether in art music or words is a dialogue with the divine a channel for universal truth


okay cool you said my dominant experience is aliveness impersonal love fullness deliciousness bliss used to be contentment now a more subtle vibration of bliss a lot of lovely sensations feelings energy


like that joy is always there


i guess sort of like a flowing


seems like the looker is there looking out your eyes


a divine experience


location three or whatever


its kind of a um in terms of deepening into fundamental wellbeing its a little bit more like the teaching its a teaching which is corrective but is not itself an expression of what the truth is


i want to say infinite completeness


so like i tend to function at location one in the mind i think but but with the exercise that we did with the introspection exercise um i could sort of feel space around my body um and and or behind my body really like i guess ive got it written down here some of the notes i took um so im feeling of of existing beyond my body um especially the back of my body like the back of my body doesnt exist and this can change so it feels like my my body doesnt exist um can feel like the body this way and and our space im moving through the world


deep into layer 3 it will feel as though it is the substance of everything on the more shallow end layer 3 feels more like an essence or presence infusing experience as though it pervades but is simultaneously independent of everything it feels untouched and untouchable it can also be perceived as have a quality of innate intelligence beyond that of the linear conceptual mind


in layer four


theres no love version of location four


and layer three is like has a fullness


this is partly because one is unable to deepen into it and stabilize in it and partly because it cannot be known objectivelyor even subjectively in the usual sense


sense of fullness and presence


costs me energy


someone is just watching the process unfold without feeling as though they are doing any of it


it doesnt feel differentiated but like it doesnt feel like theres too much of a differentiation between me and the room and so the aliveness that i feel inside of me and my energy i guess is yeah i dont i dont see a clear distinction between that and whats going on around me


in location three


lots of love


was able to settle back into fundamental wellbeing after it got shaken up


emotional strength and  or stickiness of narrativeself related thoughts


you have a very undifferentiated experience of presence and of layer three


psychic sensing stuff


mind is mostly silent


it all is just there


it feels like theres no becoming it or no entering it


having vanished for these participants


mathematically inclined minds


infusion of energy


but when i met a person i just recall what love felt like


i notice those visual effects that i described when i was in location one


the first which will be referred to as the path of freedom pof


there are a handful of sects that directly focus on location 4 and even 5


looker or a seer


so that makes a lot of sense okay so lets then think about location three lets see if we can find a location three type experience in layer three


what about a sense of being in union with something either the divine or you know like an all conscious presence of sorts but not being one with it not being it right yeah but being you know sort of increasingly merging in with it


top end of location three


the experience of everything is reduced to raw sense data and it feels as though it is all just existence unfolding spontaneously


it feels like i am this empty space or openness i like openness just this openness kind of thing yeah


i have consistent access to joy and equanimity at minimum but im always like its fantastic


persistent nonsymbolic experience


youve gotten a lot of distinctions in your own sort of conscious experience


do not report feeling any divinity at all


so it would be to do the charmed life version of the layers and locations mastery and but to explore fundamental wellbeing in general


thoughts as well as a continued reduction in the


conditioning


panpsychist sort of love


moments of prayer


from an apparently loving place


space thats deceiving everything but its all showing up as one thing


so thats awesome and then beyond that you are interested in potentially also getting fluid to location three


the nature of self and other is much subtler in location 3


layer one in lay one is existential focusing on meaning and purpose with thought streams and highs and lows in energetic variation allconsuming and able to block access to perception of other levels


fullness is three


talk about feeling that they extend beyond their body


sense of beingness


there is an ever greater depth of stillnesssilence and an incomparable quality of freedom and peace which is the classical freedom from suffering pursued by spiritual traditions for millennia


centerless beingness


non sensory perception of layer three that youre calling an aliveness or or vibratory quality in everything thats not localized in the body then that can be an experience of layer three


direction


we havent heard anything i havent heard anything that you know sort of makes me think otherwise you know i agree it is a it is a bit of a hitch right because if you do mention that because of the strength of the habit and the system of the eyes and the looking out and the fact that that probably actually is how visual perception is working of course yeah um and all of that it becomes very easy to sort of reconstitute it but its its reconstituted typically in a situation like this in such a light way


being concerned with meaning and purpose


especially the more i talk and interact and engage thats usually the place that i speak from


because thats a tough place to be so if you and they doubt probably and they often doubt that they are even in fundamental being at that point because its such a difficult place to be it feels like they left fundamental wellbeing and entered a dark night of the soul of some kind


layer one


location three is where its separate


less of the love but it was this sense of


um the you know the sense of the divine can absolutely be there in location two and layer three the sense of fullness the sense of presence um all of that can be there so those arent useful differentiators um the primary thing to look for would be the core characteristics of location three in contrast to location two rather than looking at the characteristics of layer three which are the ones youve listed


stillness or silence that you can possibly sense in in layer three


mature


spacious emptiness thing


so tell me about when you think you switched to location two


i dont feel like i cant be in layer three around andrea right now it doesnt actually feel like its problematic at this moment i sort of feel like yeah i feel like the the conditioning at this point is largely historical but yeah i mean its definitely its shes shes still got sort of what i would describe as her externalized superego conditioning that comes active from time to time and that that is always very that can pull me right down into layer one i think i mean when i say pull me down i dont mean i start reidentifying but just like im in that place where like you know


because its actually not that hard to influence someone thats in location four


i think you have to be very careful in taking a peak experience from prior to fundamental well being and trying to sort of parse it and find sort of different aspects of fundamental well being in it because youre bringing the and its its its everyone does it i think you know that has had these experiences that what sets us off on this journey right i mean these temporary experiences whether they were in drugs or whether they were just happening out of the blue for someone theyre often sort of what sets people off on a journey like this


union with


i think the emptiness is a different one


so theres just that impersonal divine or universal kind of love joy compassion um and because you know no negative emotion can get triggered


you can just play with it for a bit and see like add it as something you can use for deconditioning and then spend the next session really deepening into the location three type direction of layer three and see if you can make that switch


thinking of a memory or the person in your environment


no separation


quality of spaciousness


it can be beneficial to speak with someone who understands what is happening because despite being in location 4 the dissonance at the level of the mindlayer 1 which is also often experienced in these cases can still affect the overall system and make the adjustment more challenging


would you say that you know this this absolute stillness that ive contacted would you say that is deep layer three


there an experience of the divine in that centered spaciousness


and so if theres conditioning triggered in the system it kind of really just gets dissolved by that positive meta emotion and can do wonders for healing a lot of conditioning location four


somehow to convince their system to go dual again so that they can take advantage of probably by that point where theyre at in layer three of location two to allow a switch


very little thought of past or future


youve got sort of the frustration thing remaining which is extremely common at a location for type thing


layer three experience fused


it does actually go back to layer two


finders course


so like with location five we generally have you know a substantial persistent change in visual perception um and so that is something that can be a lot of different things um so for instance it could be um things never really being dark but just sort of being dim or it can be sort of everything or even just some things having sort of a self luminous kind of quality however one of the ways that we think about this is most of us associate light reflects off of stuff and as the sun goes down or as i turn out the lights in a room or whatever the objects get dark right and so that just seems baked into the belief systems of most people that they develop probably causally through observation as they grew up and so okay you turn on the light things get bright its because the light reflects off of the objects or whatever sun goes down things you know whatever right there seems to be a change that occurs with location five that gets beyond that where that causality is no longer sort of assumed as part of the meaning making if you will of the visual system and so what often happens is objects are not really viewed as having light reflected off them so much as just sort of being luminous in their own way almost being like their own generators of light and that has you know a wide range of effects for starters people dont necessarily realize how not dark darkness is darkness seems to be a lot more influenced by beliefs in many cases than it is by actual physiological perception


its really the broadest location of all of them in terms of the different range of experiences that can show up in it


healing and feels amazing


spaciousness or emptiness


you describe it as a joy a positivity a contentment a warmth a glow


typically only feel a single positive emotion


tell me i could be wrong about this because ive been obviously reviewing a lot of data for these but i think i read something about an interest in location three


layer 3 is highly accessible in location 2 however it remains relatively rare for finders to reach layer 3 persistently when they do it is often taken to be end of the path in terms of deepening further into fundamental wellbeing


central locus of perception which they often


infusing that spacious emptiness


you can pause the location three stuff for a moment


i realized that actually it wasnt personal and was beyond me but i dont think what i put in the thing was that i only came into fundamental wellness a few or at least thought i was in it a few


expansiveness


you didnt have a sense of agency or emotion or that type of thing


all this conditioning just rising up


often feel that they dont commit much information about their daily life to memory


ability of the thoughts that did remain to draw


i was going to i was just thinking about i was just going to say it feels like there feels like expansion within the fullness


it would still feel like everythings just showing up you would just have most of your attention centered on the mind and there would be some individual sense of self associated with that but not that felt sense of this thing


you start to get a sense or an awareness of a level of pure existence that is the deepest silence the deepest stillness thats within awareness


i must have progressed into layer four


only location one layer two seemed to get a graphic and the bird looks a little confused


perceiving the watcher and looker


for some people though obviously its a bigger deal so what youre fishing for are these types of glitches in the nervous system for people to know that perhaps theyve gone to location six and you know thats where were going to leave it for locations five and later of course


focused


no motion no love


just extreme wonder gratitude astonishment just feeling of being extremely blessed and kind of theres kind of a cosmic dimension to it


but most people will transition initially to location one usually a layer one


foreground


joy and the fullness and all of that


i dont get the sense people describe of things being really big


location one layer three for someone whose system is inclined in a certain way is a very strong bridge


feels pan psychic


layer three with the help of the descriptions


there still is a sense of more of a solid identity


you know work stuff you know whatever else dont have to be you dont have to just let the thing you know keep going in the direction of location four


even though their love for their partner is not personal they are so outwardly loving and caring that the person usually cannot tell it only becomes a problem if discussed and their partner cannot deal with the idea of it


and we try to see where youve come back to or whether theres some fluidity in the system thats producing sort of the more layer three type experiences that youve regained access to


so spaciousness is probably the most accessible thing aside from silence


its like sinking in but specifically usually sinking into the senses and the body like in a more very direct way like leaving everything else behind and like boom going to seeing to hearing to sensing in a very like direct way that thats what usually brings it about


a lot of things kind of come together there in a convenient way to just sort of have sort of a better flow in life which it really does kind of feel like a charmed life


everything and everyone was just arising and passing away


emotionless track


this is a stillness


advocate going to location 4


stay in fundamental wellbeing


theres a awareness thing through well its not even that its less than that its just whats seen and i dont even know what that is because when thought is taken out of it theres no no location theres certainly no me in here and there and theres no attributes theres no colour theres no shapes i mean they are there because we can describe them as that but when i come back into really question what is there oh theres just this and the same thing goes with the center of the body which fall into the spaciousness it becomes even seen ive just noticed how in itself is a is a vibration i never knew a character is seen i always thought seen was vision but is vision but theres a sense the way it comes through has nothing to do with anything except its kind of a vibration happening and thats what it feels like to me anyway and thats open up seeing because in that is the emptiness in a certain way theres nothing here enter the void and yet when its infused with awareness it opens up to oh well this is it this this this and theres a fullness there so i dont know if thats helpful in


self


the rhythm of daily life in location 1 layer 4 syncs with the rhythm of the heart each beat a reminder of the flow of existence


the sense that the world is not comprised of self and other and that there are not two


and then when you realize your all of your attention is on layer one


so that subtle duality where there is a dissolving into the divine so that you can sink into that and sort of lock location three more into your system


location three are um a single positive emotion um youre calling it a positive feeling yeah that is kind of a mixture of love joy and compassion um and an absence of other emotions essentially certainly negative emotions yeah um in addition to that theres also a sense of union with either what feels like the divine in everything or a sense of kind of an all pervasive presence which you call calling an energy


shift of perception


certain qualities of layer two


worry


main motivation problem seems to be gone


this is a great test that you can use to sort of figure out where youre at from a location one location two type standpoint


and then the mind comes in with resistance at that point or deepening in that direction just kind of trying to keep your identity somewhat centered around layer one


even amidst the chaos of location 1 layer 4 one can find moments of clarity and depth akin to peering into another dimension


connect very deeply with this sensation of energy that i feel and losing myself in it then yes but i dont do that i dont tend to go that far and yeah like im a mother i run a business so i tend to be much more i think layer layer one layer two yeah thats modus operandi this


so its subtle but theres definitely a distinct difference between those two experiences of layer three


youre sort of still in the mind


no sense of a personal self


so and then in addition to you know other more percent changes in perception and a very deep layer four type experiences that youre reporting


then you get increasing distance from that starting at layer two and working your way up through the layers


vastness and the spaciousness


and are often surprised by the words that come out of their mouths


generate theyre generating thoughts and and feelings according to the environment and and kind of can not believe them or can just ignore them or study them if they want so so so thats the thats the good days so i think when i when i can do that thats my layer two


you now see the spaciousness and its even more spacious and even more just infinite


it feels as though everything collapses into silence the silence is total and intrinsic to existence itself it no longer feels experiential


so the relocation to layer three um it would feel like that presence is pervading everything and you are it or you are a part of it youre inseparable from it um it is what you are essentially um will be a nondual experience of the divine


but youve got layer two but youre also you know solidly established and location two


persistent joy and wonder


choose to live in a community of individuals from only one location on the continuum youd most likely want it to be people in location 3


absolutely and even sinking into my apartment when im you know because i dont even do that a lot like now im doing the thing im full and im doing like the one hour meditation its like whoa this is effective like one hour and its like yeah im super you know into fundamental wellbeing


ive always thought i was moving deeper into layer two


location five it doesnt always go away if someone comes back from location five


i dont remember specifically targeting layer three


the governance of location 1 layer 4 is guided by wisdom and compassion leadership serving as stewardship of the collective good


contrasting that to previous experiences of being triggered can be earlier in fundamental wellbeing could be before fundamental wellbeing or whatever


spaciousness of layer two


more positive than negative emotions


this way of experiencing layer 4 is more relevant to locations 4 and later where it can stabilize


and but theres this is like one very positive feeling where i  in a very strong connectedness to to to other people um i so there is a sense of self but its not its not important so its but but i can feel the difference


fundamental wellbeing kind of gets more and more boring in a way


but thats only in meditation


youre sort of going between location one


no divine


a place of like a deep safety


of course it was location two because of the nonduality from reading the material and mostly about the interviews but then i was like hmm are i really sure like i wasnt sure because i suddenly read that location one and theres this experience of seeing like the visual field or the auditory field as one thing and like the matter whether i was looking at the screen or watching a movie and then i thought maybe its that maybe its not nondual then i was not sure but i just kept exploring and im pretty sure it is more on the nondual side


sadness


increased or total focus on the present moment


eyes were attracted by the sun and the sunlight


no i think its a different thing than its related to location two layer three


until recently suddenly theres been a rise in some sort of emotion which im just a little perplexed by you know and theres times when id actually be crying and have absolutely no idea why i was crying you know so thats fairly recent thats the last few months before that theres really no emotion you know


sure yeah i think if you continue your current you know surrendering path so to speak this which is very similar to what you just said you know youre surrendered in whatever direction it goes most likely its going to continue to go in that direction of of location for


um there is still that but there is for for me and in general i wont im not the best example because ive of course been way out in fundamental wellbeing


aliveness centered in your body


kind of extra or sent a perceptual ability thats occurring within probably still your dominant place in fundamental wellbeing


merging with the divine


theres still a sense of fullness theres still a sense of okayness unless its a kind of extraordinary situation


layer one isnt in the mix as much and that can feel just so much more encompassing as an experience of nonduality


union with the divine


the layer three stuff seems a lot less accessible than the layer two triggers


presence made of the space


it can also produce a profound sense of foundational and interpenetrating spaciousness


accepting the stillness


i am the fullness


thats really been helping your system bring the deeper qualities of the layers of fundamental wellbeing to the foreground in your experience


make a choice locations prior to this seemed


sense of everything just arising and all sort of one thing including you visually auditorily you know other ways as well but those are the those are the ones that people most often have a differentiation around


its almost like theres no top quarter of the head


spaciousness listener possibly


the ground of being


very dimensional


disinterest and lack of affinity with others


in location 1 layer 4 the passage of seasons mirrors the inner cycles of growth and rest external change reflecting internal evolution


location four layer four


location three is


thats probably maybe what your mind is thinking of might that shift might involve


there is a strong sense of divinity associated with the experience


storytelling narrative based


the reason for this lies in the brain regions involved and the impact that even rudimentary language use can have on the deepening process versus silence


freedom of movement


location five six seven


theres a lot of joy arising in location two its one of the distinctive factors and i dont tend to notice i mean i have days where im joyful and days where im pissed off and angry like ill have the whole spectrum of emotions and theres no obvious propensity towards joy that i notice


his certainty was so strong that he actually entered into the jhana he was referring to so he could be interviewed in that state for comparisonnot long afterwards this teacher learned that one of his former students also a participant in the research had shifted into location 4


i think its further and i also think there are way more layers than four


at the early end of layer 3 it feels like an essence or presence infusing but different from experience this is typically initially perceived as beginning to infuse the spaciousness of layer 2


layer 4 is not easily accessible in location 3


trust in how things are arises and the thinking mind is still my default


layer four is obviously the home base of location four


there is thought but no awareness


just sort of when open eyes


location 4 finders often report that they cannot plan what they are going to say


everythings right here


work on negative condition


agency they reported that they did not feel


kind of more boundary dissolving in terms of my own where my where i end and the world begins its kind of that boundary just vanishes


with recalling memories that related to their


they often adapt their lives to these issues by being careful to note things on lists or make use of electronic calendars that provide automated reminders


unprovoked happiness


couple of times passing through location six where she passed out


so possibly in that direction thats one of our qualities that we look for for a very deep experience of layer three its clearly somewhere deeper than what youre usually access in terms of having the greater sense of serenity or stillness and feeling just generally more like present theres


mixture of personal and impersonal love


theres spaciousness there theres emptiness there


i would say not divine um because i think i have a past experiences with divine that really the way i describe that is like almost something pulling me up from the sky like trying to pull me towards it like whether its outstretched hands or just that presence but this was not that this was im sort of on the same in the same field on the same level as everything and the love is sort of just all around


i think its distracting because also because youve given it a lot of meaning like you keep bringing it up because you think its still some sense of self thats been standing in your way to deepening and fundamental wellbeing


seasons in location 1 layer 4 mirror the cycles of growth and retreat within teaching the beauty of change and renewal


location 3 is found in many religious and spiritual traditions


all arising on its own


i would love to experience that freedom and to be able to bring that back as an overlay on everything else im experiencing so i definitely want to try to experience location four i think it would be really helpful and im im all confused about fluid versus integrated


location three in your experience


the watcher maybe is what makes me think i am in location one because it seems like a like an individual


and should i try to sink into layer three


in location 1 layer 4 personal victories are shared triumphs each achievement celebrated as a collective upliftment


sounds like you know layer three of location two


i feel fundamental well being i feel a sense of everything being okay kind of a grounded sense its not always in the foreground


and then go on to layer three


awareness layer or in the in layer two were just going to well call it layer two


when it is accessed it is usually mixed with other layers typically the deepest portion of layer 3 because one is generally unable to fully deepen into it in earlier locations it tends to be experienced as a mystery or unknowable


increasing union


layer two kind of spacious nonduality experience


this emptiness can also bring a sense of loneliness


glimpsing layer four


only more illusion is lost


everything is happening


pinnacle of


or maybe it also is slightly experiencing it but not mostly in my conscious perception um but its so heavily infused with layer three that that muddies the waters


5 or 6 or 7


location 4 there is typically no experience of emotion its easy to understand how this might cause relationship problems


so you really want to be using your access to layer two you want to be trying to spend as much time as you can sinking into being the spaciousness when that occurs trying to get that to happen as much as you can trying to just sink into it you know put your attention on it sink into it communicate to your nervous system this is what we want this is what we want this is what we want


the path of freedom was more common in eastern research participants especially monastics and the path of humanity in western ones


speech patterns morals habits hobbies and even addictions probably remain


so youve definitely got the meta emotion you can start to sink into that increasingly letting it overshadow personal emotion if you want to go in the direction of location three and now you can also detect that experience of a kind of all pervading consciousness or presence which is of course layer three where youre at now


pure layer three


appreciable feeling of richness


in location 1 layer 4 every meal is a communion an act of sharing that nourishes more than the body feeding the collective spirit


a joy


theres fullness at another point


what about emotion you know from a layer three perspective


six seven youre not going to be able to even see your thoughts


lets make sure they have nonduality


sensory experience and the richness and and the fullness


love for everything


layer three thing and say thats you know colors are very vibrant and its just its very intense like perceptual


happy things are great


locations 6 through 9 typically bring dramatically increased reports of accurate premonitions intuition and related experiences


are there no emotions that are brought up around this


temporary fundamental wellbeing


there is a sense of detachment and space around what is happening at layer 1 resulting in a more impersonal observation or witnessing of its activity this experience is usually layer 2 mixed with layer 1 because it is hard to achieve an isolated experience of layer 2 without a more unified or onenessbased nondual perception which only shows up in location 2 often deepening into layer 2 pulls a finders system over to location 2


you know what you see in everything is just what is whatever whatever your experience of that at the moment is its know its the presence or the field of awareness or the spaciousness or whatever thats everywhere or its all one thing its all experience its all reality


i went through a dark night of the soul and thats when thats the first time i meditated


still in the habit of laughing at a broad range of things especially in social situations


yeah absolutely okay so location eight


and then it seems like then my awareness is able to just be aware of whats whats there and notice details and all that kind of stuff


feeling like youre dissolving into it


deconditioning


deeper stillness which is in the direction of layer three


healing


some christians feel that judgment is a better descriptor than compassion for that facet of the emotion when one really digs into how they mean judgment surprisingly it looks very similar to what others describe as compassion


in location three theres a classic end of abrahamic mystical traditions and some eastern traditions where i feel a sense of union or merger with the divine or an allpervasive consciousness with a sense of perfection


i mean its just the simplicity of it i mean layer four whats so interesting about it the deeper one goes the simpler gets


the fullness


no emotion


perfect


location two layer three to me


that would be my advice not to not for fluidity at the moment or anything like that but just try to get yourself into layer three


and a sense of separation possibly creeps in you know in the middle of the city its hard to say its not as intense i still do feel connected but not to the intensity as when im with the trees


no not that and because youre defaulting a lot to layer one


places feel very spacious and sometimes


subjective sense that you are the thinker and you are the agent of the thoughts rather than what youre probably experiencing


rich and the sensory experience


theres a duality of me and the world


when there was stress there was a lot of stress stuff like that that still arises but now it feels like less of a default so so now because of that whatever happened after that like i feel like im more in layer two


showing up


and then the karmic stuff i was really committed until finally i moved on to nonduality and then i became equally committed but didnt have the experience


no fundamental wellbeing


it felt like nonlocal light


first we are coming into layer two and so starting on the 29th


positive emotions


thats kind of i suppose you could think of it as a very shallow experience of layer two certainly because you have sense of spaciousness as well sort of crossing over into layer two


there is one significant glitch that can occur a temporary phase may be experienced when approval is virtually unimportant


the remaining vestiges of narrativeself related thought can be completely gone by this point along with any experience of emotion


nondual location two and where your eyes are open it sounds like the tendency is to pull more towards location one but not entirely


overwhelming bliss


sense that there is this sort of space within which the universe shows up or you can feel that you are that space


if not then you proceed with the assumption that there in location one


i was still a very tightly wound type


reduction in or in some cases a cessation of selfreferential thoughts


narrative self lessened


single positive emotion basically goes away


sacredness


well theres lack of emotions theres the loss of any sense of divinity which is a huge thing because im ordained so that was a really huge thing you know i was in the ministry in the 70s then i went into the business world and i was looking at retiring and getting back in you know i was moving into that but then i kind of got derailed because with no emotions its a little hard to be a pastor so you know i kind of abandoned that so you know the no emotions and the lack thereof is quite a big thing


spaciousness standpoint


listener is in your head


im more on layer two feeling the spaciousness i think this was for sure the main place i was at and also looking to get to where when i was like in layer one mode and this is what i was looking for


or get to layer three or location three thank you pardon and just to experience this sensation of joy and love connection with the divine location four i dont know about that just because i have a little boy and and i want to be able to be there and engage with him and feel something for him um but id like to see and id like to sink into the deeper deeper layers


meditation or you know when i kind of settle into stillness not


and layer four


and we still often times shorthand that were trying to train ourselves not to so that well get better at using the labels publicly when were not thinking about it but we still internally will often use you know those old labels and stuff like that so yeah theres a lot of what looks like you know layer three


access to love and other positive emotions


attention to when things like the spaciousness and the shift of identity come in around spaciousness and things like that right


sense of spaciousness or emptiness or spacious emptiness


collapses back down into the body


it just collapses


term life stuff


ive had like more kind of nondual moments than the then im like oh did i do that you know and just sort of feeling a bit like i mentioned this when i kind of think about it like it feels like there is this empty space in there


locations one


sense of an all pervading presence


this dissolution of sense of self is so complete in later locations that even the experience of no self falls away


so the trigger didnt make any sense to me but it was just bothering me that somebody would do that


separating away from the individualized sense of self


but in location two


field like presence


well those qualities that youre describing are more qualities of layer three youre describing you know a quality of a live aware beingness or presence that pervades everything everywhere um within everything so thats thats very much a layer three type description


sometimes everything sometimes specific things but its persistent or you know alterations in your perception of light such that it feels like its never dark


the wind in location 1 layer 4 whispers secrets from beyond carrying messages of wisdom to those who listen with their hearts


including the inability to recall scheduled events that are not regular and ongoing


layer three of location four you know as you experience them there you know with that amazing richness and because its emotional the richness is emotional


thats persisted since in april its every time ive you know paused to look you know its just a persistent


okay cool so location two and from a richard lang standpoint it sounds a lot to me like layer two it takes you to the spaciousness and you know all of that type of experience


location two layer three because thats a really good place to talk to people


with the ability to sort of perceive into some parts of layer three


layer three of location two because youll be experiencing some sort of separation some sort of union


terms of divine


usually described as a combination of other formerly separate positive emotions and feelings such as love joy compassion and gratitude


so theres a clear understanding that that its location to lay or to but at the same time as im looking at the computer screen theres still a slight sense of me looking at the screen but its like this me is a greater me than the location to me so like the location to me it is sort of merged the nonduality


fundamental wellbeing would be would have high absorption


more diffuse stillness


it feels more pleasant than the senselessness


how long have you been in fundamental wellbeing


there is a sense that nothing can die because nothing exists of itself and it therefore has no independent existence to lose


very attached to my mind


all pervading presence


location five annoying


they often get exceptionally good at


layer three so that when you use a tool like unprovoked happiness


the negative emotions are much more transient and do not have the power over them that they once did


questioning beliefs and dropping beliefs and basically happiness and love was seen in that system to be a choice


its kind of an evolved feeling you know kind of like location threes feeling of the joy but initially it was nothing it didnt feel anything it just totally perplexing whats going on


this thing is almost analogous to effective prayer when used in temporary ways and so its not even a situation necessarily where one would have to go to stay there for six months or some period of time it can its i think its very i think its probably what most people are referring to as effective really hyper effective prayer you know people that get people that really get to an experience like i think my mom is probably there for instance she really believes that like her prayers are always answered and occasionally one doesnt come true and it kind of freaks her out like you know maybe her relationship with god is having some issues or something like that right


help them transition into fundamental wellbeing


happening within spaciousness or emptiness i guess


news junkies may find themselves much less interested in the news


where is fundamental wellbeing


youve got space from thoughts and emotions


awareness become very thick and almost like a liquid


layer one might be in a more of a foreground on top of that but its within the container essentially of layer three in that circumstance


everything is presented as this or simply existence


how to sort of break the gravity of layer three to have it be less of a to go beyond it being a sense you know for many people


im getting pulled down to layer one


between location one


love arising for your wife


so i just remember that was the last big trigger that i had and it was something i didnt care about


positive sense


happy to be aliveness kind of a that


and location two that are in the direction of location three


emptiness seems to come further down the line and so if spaciousness is there a little bit more present in the experience and you can remember instances where you shifted into and would have said


because i feel like i should probably you know because i noticed the the other day when i was like oh i should this is not going to work i need to come out of this location for thing it was to location to layer three that i popped down to


geometric shapes


that fear communicates to your system about fluidity in general right its like oh fluidity can be bad


after deepening in location 4 many finders experience a largely or completely silent mind


sense of that impersonal emotion remaining


you are really on track in terms of deepening into fundamental wellbeing


its also an indication of something that has a very powerful impact or sway in your system you know your invocation three which is very deep and fundamental wellbeing


if youre convinced someone has at least experienced location four and theyve been there maybe for a while or they talk about other shifts or other deepenings and it doesnt just seem to be the initial deepening that can often occur in location four between with someone coming in at location four


i almost never get triggered and if i do i have to look at it because its so unusual


so my like i guess the limitlessness of it like they extends far out into the cosmos and includes the stars and all the other planets and theres i feel connected with that too


an all pervading field of presence or beingness that feels profoundly rich complete full alive


in location 1 layer 4 the setting sun doesnt signify an end but a gentle closure a pause for reflection and gratitude


one of them is the love aspect of and any other aspects of layer


sometimes its so funny to see how no concept makes any sense anymore it brings the laughter sometimes i dont think there is this love there and theres really simplicity directness and peace kind of thing


okay so its at least location six um then you you describe things like feeling like its just the universe or existence thats looking out of out of the eyes or experiencing itself so thats you know something that people can say at location seven um but its definitely a very accurate description of location eight can be nine


very divine


persistent mystical experience


no time no space no sense of self


my primary identity is that layer one often its not it can be if theyre in location one layer one you know and certainly people that just come out of 45 days there will be plenty of people who are in places like that


a center in the spaciousness


sense of union with the divine and absence of personal emotion


changing more into space itself


personal love i can experience for brief periods infatuation i can see a shiny object and and you know get gooey about it but that never lasts for more than you know maybe a few hours um and even then im like you know kind of vigilant for it and like as soon as that arises like whats that like you know thats bullshit


very profound neutrality


deeper stillness


i was very spacious


weve heard bliss weve heard pure bliss weve heard pure joy


tibetan meditation


but from a location two perspective and especially a layer three perspective things like that make make perfect sense when youre glimpsing in to layer four


trust in how things are arises and the boundary or maybe even sometimes a little over into that experience becomes less salient


the spaciousness of it sounds spacious or feels spacious yeah it just feels stupid i guess we need to like wire me up to some kind of in some neuroscience lab and see if i have if im showing the right activity and inactivity in the right brain regions that would actually be interesting corroborating evidence i dont know how i would match up and maybe this is all totally diluted and ive never been in fundamental wellbeing and have you know this ambition thats expressing through my fabricated experience anyway


im more on the layer three since the feeling is really really sunny right now


no youre in fundamental wellbeing you can have a looker you just got to have that sense that everythings okay in the background


alien quality


total range of emotion


everyone enjoys the being alive


its a shallow sort of layer two


be layer three


about feeling fundamental well being


theres very little layer two in it have you ever had an experience that was solely layer two you know like really just emptiness without a sense of fullness


nfw


that i can that i can relate to in my own experience that i mean just everything everything having that that underlying quality of reality that even i mean i sometimes joke you know even even thoughts are real neuronal firings in your brain you know they have reality but that reality is something more fundamental


location 4 individuals often use the word freedom to refer to their dominant ongoing experience


like this its that centerless field its still all pervading all present


layer three can be a passive background to the activity of layer one


if theyre coming out of layer three location three you know then so theres always this mix i think youre in a situation where even fairly recently this is you know deepening and developing more in the direction from sort of the top part of location to over into increasingly rooting itself in layer four and for you


distant from layer one in terms of where your perception is centered


for a faith such as christianity feelings of divinity increase until they reach a crescendo in the furthest reaches of location 3


shifting into layer two


four no self


youre definitely in the right spot so well go on to layer two next on the 29th


of location two but theres still some sense of separateness there and then the third one that you experienced is classic you know nondual type of perception


no sense of the divine or no panpsychist sense or anything like that is that i can


like even when there are like some thoughts and things happening around me and its like my awareness my attention is more on the silence


and then seeing dishes at the sink or whatever so theres not a decision making there i just walk over to the sink and start doing dishes or whatever and when i was finished with work and came over and started engaging and everything coming out of the mouth sounded like oracle of delphi kind of stuff


sometimes theres a sensation where theres like no head or like the visual perception field is significantly wider


sense of self shift all the way into layer one


you know if its a spacious emptiness that would be layer two


fundamental wellbeing


what theyre really saying is well that individualized sense of self has gone away im deeper in location two and yeah sure i experience emotion but i quote unquote dont experience emotion


um i feel like layer three is really natural for me um theres lots of love lots of all those things um aliveness and but yeah


deeper fundamental sense of okayness or contentment


its this sense of aliveness its kind of weird to say but theres just like a towel hanging in front of it on the chair like in front of me and it seems like it is becoming alive in a way im sure you heard a lot of things but its kind of like this towel is alive like in a real sense like smiling at me i dont want to sound too crazy but there is like a communication going on and not with words and not like something here and something there but just this sense of everything becoming more present a strong sense of presence


happiness definitely a positive bias its a field its a pervasive field its interpenetrating everything so its kind of within everything um and its trying to kind of trying to break out from inside of everything and yeah it has this overall definite theres definitely an above zero positive bias to everything i cant access it right now but sometimes when ive sunk into it ive been able to access a deeper layer of stillness which would call like an absolute stillness and its rock solid stillness its its totally unmovable and thats not normally there but ive been able to access it a few times and that seems very deep when you sink into it its its seems bottomless


mystical states


i go to a space where theres just nothing you know nothing is there


awareness field like presence stillness the vibrancy so theres just the fullness of course so


multidimensional type of experience of the of the matrix the layers and locations and make it possible to view from or through the perspective of something like location 2


it felt like it was everything and nothing at the same time


very fluid and integrated across layers 1


sort of got confounded with the descriptions of aliveness and so on and layer three but you might


they can feel as though the divine or some beneficial type of blessing is radiating out from them


maybe a sense of stillness or beingness if that makes sense


so youre i would say youre in location two layer two


you know have a center so to speak of increasing layers of dense feeling in the spaciousness


but if youre rooted more in layer one


joyfulness


basically all were doing is were fishing down the location three attribute list


location 4 reported a near total immersion


it might be a good idea to give that person a little location three love


you say the sense of presence that is calm vibrant and alive can be like a loud silence theres a sense of electricity in the air for some reason its much easier to notice in a natural setting outdoors outdoors with your eyes open it seems to hang in the air with my eyes closed its very hard to describe theres a scintillating energy that is in my body but not defined by the edges of my body no boundary has a sense of aliveness it feels like an energy field its like a constant hum like the hum you hear an electrical station its a metaphor of course it doesnt literally hum when i focus on it i start to notice a feeling tone it has a joy and a positivity a contentment warmth glow


it is usually accessed and viewed from the perspective of being centered in a deeper layer


or an all pervasive consciousness


when it is only touched upon temporarily it does not necessarily feel as though it is not a state because the sense of individual self remains partially intact in earlier locations


dominant emotion that felt like a mixture of


it freaked it literally freaked her out and so we had this conversation about this type of thing and so shes shes a christian for sure but not a location three christian you know shes a high sort of location you know layer three type of christian


my daily life is an inconvenience to fundamental well being


people are divinity


shallower form of a similar


you know whats interesting is it feels it feels like this might sound kind of weird it feels full on this side and it feels spacious on this side and it feels um


in location three theres a soul in location for the notion that theres a soul is just crazy you know its like wow what a delusion that is


there are moments when i tend to sit out on my lookout and i tend to sing a lot and i just love singing and just creating that energy


spaciousness is always trying to get peoples attention and pull them back


we like to use a perceptual test for nonduality


its more like that the way you describe layer four when its experienced from layer three is being like this sense of a deep mystery behind it all and you know its like my mind cant grasp it and but i sense it


bouncing light


panpsychist


theyre not associated with emotion


i feel it pulls me out honestly fundamental wellbeing


i love you


two would be you know vast spacious emptiness and i do experience vastness you know if i close my eyes and just go inside thats something ive felt for decades but i dont know the yeah im just confused about presence versus the presence of fullness versus emptiness i dont experience a lot of contrast so when im in my full heart space i dont sense that theres so much greater presence than when i feel like im in a more emotionally neutral or emotionally absent space


regarding the layer three experiences what youve described thus far is primarily affect so its like emotion related to what can be related to layer three particularly if its like very impersonal forms of love joy compassion um those types of experiences


it sounds like your your sense of self is really centered in layer three


a lot of deconditioning can happen at location three so thats a bit of a magical deconditioning spot for sure


i heard sounds when i was seeing light so some forms of light and beeping light like on and off light


all pervading sense of consciousness


whole sort of shift of orientation


you know its like pulling a piece of the foundation out of that whole habit system that learned to do something whether it was moving an arm or taste or whatever else its a bit like sort of pulling a pin out of the foundation and then everything kind of gets scrambled and it might have to be relearned now thats an extreme case theyre often very short you know people just glitch right through them and theyre like oh that was weird and things are fine now um so anything along those lines that you can remember


yes if youre more rooted in layer three


so as you continue to work in with and sink into stillness and just trying to get to the sort of the maximum of that that is possible stillness silence


it transformed how things were perceived all of that right so imagine that was just the first glimpse of the first one of those sort of later locations it just gets more you know intense profound different however you want to say it from there right and so if youre staying at skimming the surface and maintaining the fluidity back and forth you know you only get so much of those benefits is one way to think about it


its there and then i feel a sense of fullness really


maybe primary silence and presence would be the two


either location one with some shallow access to layer two


they acclimatize more quality or dimensionality kind of is discernible so something like the qualities of layer three


divinity


so youre saying too because im you know youve watched some of these and youve seen the perceptual thing and youve identified presumably that there is no looker and no listener


probably not really going to location one unless you are genuinely feeling not a part of that spaciousness


depending on how the transition to fundamental wellbeing affected their underlying motivations


layer four is virtually impossible to get to


do you have a sense of your identity being centered in layer one


layer three because theres the sense of truth


when temporary there are finders who can intentionally bring it about and others who just have it happen to them from time to time regardless of how it occurs in this state the world seems to be moving through them and not the other way around generally this occurs at location 4 and beyond


fundamental okayness with the first glimpses of nonduality


youre in location three i mean like you know is it bad to be more generous in a therapeutic environment you know with yourself or you know with your caring or whatever else no its not so thats fine you have one of those professions where you can be anywhere


there is a deep quality of stillness at layer 3 it is more still than any preceding layer and the stillness or silence feels like it pervades and encompasses everythingall objects and all experience


you may opt for a different technique like not necessarily sentence completion you could do that you could also just focus on the sense in the body like where the conditioning is some sort of sensation associated with it or just generally paying attention to your your inner experience um yeah and whatever way you you know once youve identified a piece of conditioning in the system you can just shift layers or locations and then see what experience of it remains um and that can be really helpful it can be very it can give a lot of sort of insight into what that conditioning is and what it produces in the system um like yeah can give you examples but it would be a maybe a long story but it can also show you its boundaries because at some point youre going to deepen beyond that conditioning so maybe by the time youre in location three


can feel very energized


thats probably not going to be location three that youre looking mostly in that situation in all likelihood at location two


once location 4 or beyond is reached these finders are typically left alone to deepen and explore their new location


nondual perception


theres no emotionally sort of inclined layer three version of location four


even if you just have a sense while youre driving that its all the divine and its all happening by itself and its the divine driving that may not be the type of union were describing in location three


was noticing like i was kind of freely shifting between duality and nonduality


sparkly


it feels very still and also very spacious


i was on the cusp of getting into an accident and i had to concentrate my energy really quickly and this happens when im when the body is is moving through space often when im driving or when im walking um or when im floating in water the dimensionality just well there are different experiences sometimes it stretches sometimes it just goes flat and i cant figure out where i am i cant triangulate a physical location and when that happens when im driving its really unnerving it happened it happened this weekend i went to visit my daughter at her boarding school and she was in the vehicle with me along with two of her friends and that flattening stretching distending started and so you know i remember focusing all of my energy on


merging implies two that are merging from one


and we dont know its just one quick observation you know in one moment um so see if you can sink more deeply into the stillness


universal i would say that there was yeah that yeah that guess i saw that fear wasnt necessary and that it was conditioned


feeling of union or merger with the divine or an allpervasive consciousness in location three may be divine or panpsychic with dual perception returning


dont let your life become a train wreck


transcendent freedom


default way that fundamental wellbeing


people have all these different forms of accessing that information and working with it um especially in the case where people are sensitive to that type of thing um but thats all showing up within that all containing spaciousness and so it doesnt sound like theres you know theres also doesnt nothing you describe sounds like a shift of your sense of self into say the mind or into any of the stuff thats showing up in that spaciousness that youre working with


the evidence is hard to tease out because generally when a stimulus or memory jogger is used requested events can be recalled


there is a sense of being in union with this allpervading field or presence that is without limits flowing through and as everything


when arising theres a mix of positive and negative thoughts in the forefront of my experience


their levels of fear anxiety stress worry and


so id say for this weekend you know you can watch the layer two stuff play around with it if you want but probably or have more of an affinity to the layer three stuff


location 3 participants reported the experience


beingness


divine being that is pervading everything is everything


paradox for people


do feel like there still is fullness


so that location eight nine seems to um its almost like at that point that deeper layer um really becomes very visible or dominant


theres just this senseless or present awareness which is deep in layer three


consciousness and awareness


you said you had no selfreferential thoughts and also a sense of like no reason for the thoughts to appear so thats also a degree of disassociation from layer one thats


location 2 finders experience a further reduction in their narrativeself related thoughts and in the emotional content of most of the ones that remain


its probably like a layer like a layer two kind of thing


layer three is prominent with fluidity to layers one and two


very intense form of nonduality


deep into layer 3 it will feel as though the divine or panpsychist presence is the substance of everything but initially it feels more like an essence or presence infusing everything


the losing of that illusion nothing is gained


the architecture in location 1 layer 4 serves as a testament to humanitys reach for the divine structures that aspire to touch the infinite


i have so much energy


a lot of beauty everywhere i dont experience a center the aliveness energy is everything


location three direction


there is no longer any sense of an essence pervading everything like in layer 3 there is nothing arising from or within it it has no content and no distinctionsthere is only existence itself which is complete and total as this moment


so certainly sounds like location one


if you really are if you say to someone who experienced that hey can you still you know find that in this composite flat experience you know its not that they cant necessarily find it its just its no longer something thats dominant in your the foreground of your perception that youre noticing like you would be you know at an earlier location that deep into that layer when that layer is more in the foreground and all of that


feeling increasingly comfortable with being spaciousness instead of being a body mind


it appears as if the previous sense of self was nothing more than a story thats no longer relevant now the narrativeself and the way it colored the world both seem gone or at least significantly reduced


places where people need the most help


a new form of humor begins to emerge


memory is definitely worse at this point


music in location 1 layer 4 transcends sound becoming a medium for the expression of the inexpressible harmonies of the heart and soul


crowded


maybe ive just been telling myself presence equals layer three


i feel like i have pretty good access to layer one when i work


location 3 finders have been freed from a considerable amount of their psychological conditioning and negative emotions


it involved continued lack of agency


reasonably calm and present


single positive emotion that divine or panpsychist merging


location 4 finders feeling more at ease in communicating across a wide variety of people the difference is one of degree


thats my only experience of layer two


environment


something that unfolds


there is awareness and things are arising


i guess it was or the or five plus i guess you want to do


like this is more important its saying your attention must stay on layer one


so i think you are getting youre at least getting a shift into the sort of combination of spacious emptiness and you know fullness and presence type of thing


i dont think youre going to have any issue being a highly experienced divorce attorney in location three


access to layer two


scanning my body