empathic psychic stuff you say probably not related to fundamental wellbeing but who knows since i was a child i often knew what other people were feeling or thinking i assumed this is developed because it was needed to survive later as a pastor things like synchronicity and healing ministry played a big part right now i wonder what the relation is of these kinds of things to fundamental well being


i just am or you know whatever people however they kind of put words to that but youre describing it as well the self is just gone because your reference point for the term self is your ordinary sense of kind of individual or personal self at layer one


i mean its possible to experience like a fullness in layer two


but you talk about boundlessness you often talk about things like boundaryless boundaryless field of awareness you know awareness is a term that is more associated from our perspective with layer three


so its okay to give yourself permission for things like that to you know pnc does not fundamental wellbeing doesnt have to be about you know how far you can go with it


its the its really the pervasive sense of presence and that and that fullness penetrating things and whatnot that were that were primarily looking for is the hallmarks more of a layer three


nondual


expansiveness


fullness


layer three thing


sense of presence


empty or full like the layer two


all right location three has the sense of divinity or panpsychists theres a sense of being in union with that um its that single emotion of joy love compassion maybe some other facets depending on someones belief systems or cultural underpinnings things like that whereas layer three is probably more of what youre thinking off layer three is more of that field like presence that we talked about i dont have to repeat it because we just did a video on all that


location three is no personal emotion


im there is just a much stronger sense of awareness and its much easier to get distance from from thoughts when im when im not really doing anything like i would like i would go sit and chat with a friend


the absence of needing approval can cause location 4


i am just used to like a more dead version of layer three in location two


coincides with the fullness


layer four is less than optimal for a lot of functioning


presence here


this is a complete openness of everything that that that is happening around and just to complete okayness with that and trust that that things are just developing in the way they should and it s so less agency just happening and it s good to be there


so like i tend to function at location one in the mind i think but but with the exercise that we did with the introspection exercise um i could sort of feel space around my body um and and or behind my body really like i guess ive got it written down here some of the notes i took um so im feeling of of existing beyond my body um especially the back of my body like the back of my body doesnt exist and this can change so it feels like my my body doesnt exist um can feel like the body this way and and our space im moving through the world


so you really want to be using your access to layer two you want to be trying to spend as much time as you can sinking into being the spaciousness when that occurs trying to get that to happen as much as you can trying to just sink into it you know put your attention on it sink into it communicate to your nervous system this is what we want this is what we want this is what we want


right and so you know thoughts are completely real the divine is completely real when youre experiencing it from my perspective right its almost like youre taking some sort of filter and youre blocking access to things and then when you remove that filter those things are still there just because you are blocking access to things doesnt mean they actually go away it just means that youre turning a blind eye towards them you know it just means that youre sort of filtering them out and not observing them thats a very unusual perspective within fundamental wellbeing


martinbeen built up in the direction of those desires and the motivations behind them


so possibly in that direction thats one of our qualities that we look for for a very deep experience of layer three yeah its clearly somewhere deeper than what youre usually access in terms of having the greater sense of serenity or stillness and feeling just generally more like present theres


spaciousness


if you if you really are if you say to someone who experienced that hey can you still you know find that in this composite flat experience you know its not that they cant necessarily find it its just its no longer something thats dominant in your the foreground of your perception that youre noticing like you would be you know at an earlier location that deep into that layer when that layer is more in the foreground and all of that


so did it have a sense of senselessness


thing is possible its possible when i when i pay attention when i got triggered with negative feelings and thoughts when i paid attention that can be muted and and and the negative feelings become sensations only and the thoughts stop yeah but still i feel happy i may i may feel even a subtle sense of depression yeah so i kind of think im still i got pulled back to layer one


location 1


i actually lost it because i was revisiting the material and going to layer two layer three and somehow i couldnt i couldnt go back to to it


very profound neutrality


felt nice i was kind of surprised surprised at that point


and what youre describing there with that glimmer of agency sounds almost like you might be touching upon you know glimpses of at least of a form of location to um possibly location three but agency essentially doesnt return except in those earlier locations


charmed life


thats more than enough for me to speculate that youre looking at or to diagnose or however we want to say it right to be very comfortable with the fact that youre and location two


and then theres like kind of cross into layer three it feels like it feels like its like like instead of silence things become a little bit more joyful


when you land in location five that youre basically playing with fluidity so you sort of laid down a track in a certain direction that your system might follow


bare stillness


i developed a sense of that and now it just feels like life is so luscious like everything is just vibrating and rich and juicy and yum and and thick and delicious so almost overwhelmingly


charmed life maybe sounded interesting obviously those would all involve coming back from where youre headed


that distance is the way something can show up in layer two when people are especially screws with people who are like athletic and like you know play baseball or basketball or whatever else suddenly they sort of suck for a period of time because they you know their spatial perceptions


so i think youve got to one thing that you could really do in terms of doing yourself a favor would be to sink in and bring some new experiences that are in the direction of fundamental well being into these different environments


so i know what youre types of experiences so what you mentioned there really sounds like this location eight


but there can be a sense of that also without the medicine like this is my this is my universe view so this is my universe view and there are a whole lot of other universe views that im overlapping with so i feel a bit like a venn diagram where were creating some sort of joint reality the there can be a kind of a sense like that so i dont know whether thats more location to layer to sorry


so the fullness it feels like its flowing flowing flowing out of me and it feels really full


fullness


freedom


boring


telltale mono emotion that is indicative of location three or if thats just merely a sensation


theres fullness at another point


less attached to the story of their life


manifested as an intuitive sense that there was


not a divine type of love


and so theres a gravity thats you know making you want to experience fundamental wellbeing a certain way instead of experience that more constricted state that goes along with where headless way usually put someone and you just have to decide you know im going to ignore that gravity


mind


emptiness


complete simplicity


and i can if i want to i can play with layer one more be more active with


location two


boundary and location two is just like the state of missouri cant contain it its just the vastness


alive


spaciousness


nondual


location 4


so what about a sense of spaciousness or emptiness


freedom


presence you know all pervasive presence a fullness um one could say sort of an all pervasive field


its also hard for me to differentiate between this sort of universal love that i feel and im in this really deep romantic relationship with my wife of 45 years and i really love her and so a lot of times i think shes kind of like the focus of this overall love that i feel is she becomes like a focal point for it


to no center at all


yeah thats where the fear comes up if i can get over to location to layer two


was getting ready to say that then it felt a little more centered so so its either both or neither um feels like theres some fullness happening


staying more shallow you do increase your range


layer three presence


charmed life


and i was thinking oh right you know im not seeing my therapist im not doing emdr for a while maybe this is when ill do the three weeks in location four


the first change well the two main changes as you notice is a more awareness of my thoughts and sensations so the more awareness of thoughts and just everything and also just being deeply connected to the body its like it feels like im shifting from being connected to the thoughts to being connected to the body


location 1


meta emotion


experiences of layer two um you get the the spaciousness and you also get a sense of emptiness


centered form of experience


some eastern traditions also stop around this point while others stop earlier at location 2


things that sense of joy is very often more associated with layer three


emotions


alien


more comes more to the forefront theres no emotion there


we dont know if its promising from a transition standpoint but we certainly know that its promising from a meditation standpoint and its looking increasingly like certain substances are going to match up to certain types of meditation and things like that and so i think theres a distinction between if one is doing it you know from a healing standpoint and a therapeutic environment of some kind or at a micro dose level versus just continuing to sort of you know flood the brain with some sort of breakthrough dose for some kind of consciousness expansion type of thing we we weve just seen so many adverse fundamental wellbeing


almost like a place of belonging


we havent heard anything i havent heard anything that you know sort of makes me think otherwise you know i agree it is a it is a bit of a hitch right because if you do mention that because of the strength of the habit and the system of the eyes and the looking out and the fact that that probably actually is how visual perception is working of course yeah um and all of that it becomes very easy to sort of reconstitute it but its its reconstituted typically in a situation like this in such a light way


no agency


emptiness


spaciousness


subjectobject unification


spaciousness or emptiness


a wonderful place to have a certain type of dark night of the soul you know as you might imagine i mean imagine instead of sort of the fullness of the presence of god you have an empty god you know a distant divine that type of thing right its uh its its its more fun than you


and particularly when you have a very strong catholic upbringing and then very strong couldnt be any stronger than that in the years that i was catholic


this can lead to reduced motivation to do things in daytoday life until a new


but that is probably aspects of layer two that youre sensing into um and you are able to when i asked you the question to you know briefly shift into a sense of identity as layer two as the presence


there s a lot of joy arising in location two it s one of the distinctive factors and i dont tend to notice i have days where im joyful and days where im pissed off and angry like ill have the whole spectrum of emotions and there s no obvious propensity towards joy that i notice


location for layer four is great if youre already independently wealthy and you can just you know go and be location four without a worry in the world


layer four is less than optimal for a lot of functioning


you know you seem to have a pretty good penchant for a range and fundamental well being


an allpervasive


aloneness


god jesus or the holy spirit depending on


would mean a loss of self loss of the center loss of beingness um loss of ones own existence so um so yeah its its natural that your system would kind of pull back to even if its just the upper reaches of layer three where there is awareness


fundamental wellbeing


non dual


its probably like a layer like a layer two kind of thing


theres much more flow now than there used to be


analogies and putting others down


experience of fullness


theres virtually no fear about the future which is not really good because i think i was motivated by fear and driven by fear


so when you say its in everything what qualities of it are you perceiving in everything


coming from somewhere maybe its moving in um mhm it feels more like a place where i can exist with the headache at the same time


they often speak about a shift in the relationship with their body and being less identified with and limited by it


headless i think that was probably the first time i encountered it doing the ruler experiment were they how far away is everything from you and then that sense that everything is just like a postcard its just perceptually here theres theres no spatial depth so like you know layer two that sense of spaciousness but then that collapses that just disappears its a perceptual flatness


news junkies may find themselves much less interested in the news


seeker


so when im in layer three definitely its full


spaciousness is always trying to get peoples attention and pull them back


im not sure how successful that will be because my spreadsheet mainly has where people are at not oh they were wrong about the fact that they werent in layer one


usually but not totally


fluidity and the highly sensitive person high absorption you know sort of sense is what im


fundamental wellbeing


it feels like like one little point one little point trying to poke into all the fullness


or 3 briefly


including your focus on location to layer three


in all likelihood


foreground of experience nearly all the time


well theres lack of emotions theres the loss of any sense of divinity which is a huge thing because im ordained so that was a really huge thing you know i was in the ministry in the 70s then i went into the business world and i was looking at retiring and getting back in you know i was moving into that but then i kind of got derailed because with no emotions its a little hard to be a pastor so you know i kind of abandoned that so you know the no emotions and the lack thereof is quite a big thing


nondual


um i at least since i did find this course and maybe before then from other meditations like retreats or techniques


increase in freedom


i remember thinking like location two again using this model was nonduality


lets say its just an open space to me like its theres just if i step back so if im stepping back and just um saying if theres no thought if im if im not putting thought into it it just its kind of just is so theres not really a sea without thought


i think just like two times maybe um like exactly as described in the book just the spaciousness emptiness at one point became just fullness and but it only happened to me after like deep deep yoga and meditation like for a long time


guess its very interesting because the very act of me looking at it shifts what the perception of it mm if i if im just in it it doesnt really feel like its part of the field but if i step out of it maybe my system is slightly informed by deeper states so then it can it can just sense that sense of self that is there but when im in it i guess what im really in it where one is an active enough to really say oh there is that sense of self but so i dont feel it in the moment but i can still feel it when im investigating it or looking at it its like a more subtle sense of the entire experience is a sense of self because their deeper experiences that dont even have that element of that subtle self


quality of spaciousness


emotion


i think youve got good access to layer two already and you can be fluid to it if you want to


its like it used to be like 0 to 10 and now its like 0 to 1 and then the emotions are experienced very directly through the body like the anxiety when i feel it its i just feel it through the body like i would feel some something in my arms and my legs or in my head there is no resonance from the mind there is no like previously there would be a feedback loop like there is some thoughts going in there feeling the emotion and then the emotion is feeling the thoughts and there is this loop and now occasionally with strong triggers there is the mind loop going there is some sort of dialogue but there is no feedback like that


paying attention to and selecting the choice that


moment to spaciousness emptiness was something that was maybe a little bit further down the road


stillness and silence


dual


but just sort of hold that lightly just kind of keep an eye on it sort of out of the corner of your eye you know and experiment for a while with seeing what do these deeper places in fundamental wellbeing do to those body sensations rather than bringing the putting your attention on them locking them in in sort of a heavier more focused way and bringing them along in sort of that heavier more dense way into this process that maybe doesnt allow fundamental wellbeing as you go to these more transcendent states in fundamental wellbeing to to to work more effectively on them because youre really locking them in and youre basically saying to these higher more transcendent states


there there is like a distinct sense of self there when youre in it


location 4 individuals can have difficulty finding and building committed personal relationships no matter how wonderful things seem to start the absence of love tends to cause the other person to drift away


agency


i think it s further and i also think there are way more layers than four


roommates and spouses can find what seem like irrational and imposing demands to be a common annoyance and their counter perspectives met with unyielding expectations by the finder


so if i do if i meditate in a certain way i have meditated and it happens and i drop into more of a kind of equalized more still flat perception i would say or just not not perhaps not maybe not flat but its like dropping into a different dimension if you could say that like thats not really its not about the physical that much anymore as much as its a different its like residing in a different field that is more quiet and peaceful and if i sink in in my day to day life i can also go go pretty quickly to that straight away actually but i again i guess i choose not to because again somewhere along the way i think one of my teachers emphasized also feeling the fullness but thats analysis for something else but yeah ive experienced that quite a few times


what about the qualities that are associated with layer three


um the you know the sense of the divine can absolutely be there in location two and layer three the sense of fullness the sense of presence um all of that can be there so those arent useful differentiators um the primary thing to look for would be the core characteristics of location three in contrast to location two rather than looking at the characteristics of layer three which are the ones youve listed


the love is infusing every object but its not i am not fully the love but everything i would look at would have an infusion of this love feeling


yeah it is so this this stillness is a bit more still like the presence sort of is like it was like a like you know with it wasnt quite still but it was a bit more still in fullness or much more still in fullness


the other thing to do would obviously be to use your past experience of location three if it was location three to sink back into that so you want to tell me a bit about that experience


emptiness


you know whats interesting is it feels it feels like this might sound kind of weird it feels full on this side and it feels spacious on this side and it feels um


single emotion and it feels like love and joy and compassion and maybe a couple of other culturally or religiously conditioned things


without that sense of you know a looker and all of that its and self behind the eyes and all of that its you know its going to be location too so we know were in location two which is what i would expect


pulls you out of location two


divine


emptiness doesnt resonate at all


centerless field


sense of union dual and nondual


you know dangerously out of location two


spaciousness


wanted to share it but it was just so so beautiful just everything shining with love i mean it was just so im im hoping thats going to be my hook into into location three and then i honestly would love because you know i would really love to be able to serve them all go everywhere but i do have to and thats really not advisable at this stage is it like in terms of making a living and and staying


location 4


merging with the divine


you have a very undifferentiated experience of presence and of layer three


i was going to i was just thinking about i was just going to say it feels like there feels like expansion within the fullness


fullness


shallower form of a similar


um then layer two can be very powerful for that because sometimes


emptiness


spacious quality


devoid of negative emotion


work on negative condition


so you said that you werent sure whether at times your you were viewing layer one


yeah i would think probably not too it can really feel like a return to layer one if youve become more established


fundamentally okay increasingly came into the


i feel like normal


no agency


with recalling memories that related to their


even as a conversation changes and and so theres this tremendous freedom across these identities is like a freedom from identity to some degree


sense of spaciousness


if you have a sense of whether or not you want path of freedom or path of humanity


more through layer three


and a sense of separation possibly creeps in you know in the middle of the city its hard to say its not as intense i still do feel connected but not to the intensity as when im with the trees


but location four deepens and layer four


just sort of working on our own fundamental wellbeing so to speak exploring our own awareness and consciousness and all of that


location 4 there is typically no experience of emotion its easy to understand how this might cause relationship problems


emotion


range of affect


but its almost like it has no interface to the conditioning at layer one


fundamental wellbeing


be more deeply engrained though they remain less attached to outcome


for the most part you might be touching on you know an aspect of layer three if theres really a strong sense of aliveness thats not just in the body but thats pervading you know that spaciousness or that space so the space has a quality of being infused with aliveness if thats your experience then that may be touching on you know beginning to have a smear of layer three


fullness or that beingness from a layer three standpoint


be like it was before it could never be because that was out of fundamental wellbeing to begin with


emptiness


layer three thing when the center falls away


location 2 reported it as a more complete


nonfundamental wellbeing


location 3 individuals can make amazing partners especially if their fundamental wellbeing deepening did not occur in isolation


three that comes from personal emotions at layer three um


because memories so rarely arise for them it can give the appearance that lifes events arent being stored


this can lead to increased isolation that is selfimposed but viewed as more desirable than having a lot of story driven


but from a location to perspective and especially a layer three perspective things like that make make perfect sense when youre glimpsing in to layer four


im just checking because that would be a quality that that you can definitely deepen into to bias your system or in the direction of location three


fullness or awareness


also really just making a very hard and stressful and abrasive work environment slash job feel completely fine


divine


i would say not divine um because i think i have a past experiences with divine that really the way i describe that is like almost something pulling me up from the sky like trying to pull me towards it like whether its outstretched hands or just that presence but this was not that this was im sort of on the same in the same field on the same level as everything and the love is sort of just all around


have aspirations of going to something like location two


as part of the transition process


you know shift me in there or if i should focus on the love feelings first and then


memories spontaneously arise less often


no experience of


location three is also very good for deconditioning because of that really very profound universal quality of love it tends to really be very healing and spending some time there will probably also be very good for you if youre working with a lot of conditioning and also the personal emotion that it cant really show up in location three


the senselessness at layer three and


when you say luminosity what experience


yeah it is so this this stillness is a bit more still like the presence sort of is like it was like a like you know with it wasnt quite still but it was a bit more still in fullness or much more still in fullness


you know youve had experiences that are and nonduality and all of that


four so the information on the layers was just me edging out for my peace palace from location four you know annemiek said something about locations it didnt really occur to me that you could change locations that quickly you know you used to have the fluid four and you had the concept where you change locations


it freaked it literally freaked her out and so we had this conversation about this type of thing and so shes shes a christian for sure but not a location three christian you know shes a high sort of location you know layer three type of christian


i think it feels like the the sounds are just there there is always conceptual layers of like oh this sound is from here this sound is from there or this sound means that but if i try to go as deep as possible into just the sounds it feels like theyre just there its not yeah that doesnt seem to be im also trying to like remember what it was like before then there was a like a specific or here i cant really recall that that experience so nothing to compare to


moment to spaciousness emptiness was something that was maybe a little bit further down the road


it seems endless it seems you can go endlessly into that


its just like a sense its like how far into that do you sink do you


it doesnt feel differentiated but like it doesnt feel like theres too much of a differentiation between me and the room and so the aliveness that i feel inside of me and my energy i guess is yeah i dont i dont see a clear distinction between that and whats going on around me


from a location two perspective


and thats makes perfect sense to me because the gravity is really to those elements of layer three and location three you know right


resonate with the sense of freedom that is typically associated with location for


but then also you know in location for theres no sense of agency and theres sort of you know in the public its a very much a smear between what these things sort of mean


divinity


sensation


it sounds a lot to me like youre rooted primarily in layer three as your dominant layer


you know your thoughts and emotions that are sort of seeing a glimpse of spaciousness or something from where theyre at it sounds more like youre rooted in a stillness and a silence and a peacefulness a silence and a peacefulness are the words that you use that has you know more spaciousness from thoughts and emotions and like maybe your you know accessing layer one more


i started noticing you know the the feelings of uh the feelings of in some of the stuff which ive talked about today but combination of piece and things are going to be okay


freedom


there is fullness i do experience fullness


i was still a very tightly wound type


youve got another direction you can use to sink into nonduality


pre fundamental wellbeing and you think about your sense of self right now in this moment


no individualized sense of self no selfrelated


doesnt feel empty or in the beginning it can feel like the emptiness is sort of infused with presence or beingness or fullness um some people might describe it as an aliveness but it doesnt feel empty any longer


single positive emotion


but you know the nature of the thoughts like if im to compare myself to ten years ago you know the nature of myself is very different its theres not really a tangible self per se theres no voice in my head or like not really many im not really interested in narratives or not many narrative thoughts going back to me its just not something im really drawn to yet i do think about life situations i do analyze things i do make plans theres just not so much backward looking activity in that sense so yeah i can go on


i can play such a good game of a location two layer three but it doesnt it doesnt necessarily feel like its authentic i can model it i can get people there i can like give them their little charmed life and like


even if you were to go to a you know a more heavy layer three experience in location four you know the definitions and feel and sense and what youve abided and up to this point its like a night and day difference from a layer three perspective


definitely a sense of spaciousness and stillness


no sense of agency


fundamental wellbeing


layer two of location two


radiance or fullness


very common and totally understandable from a fundamental wellbeing standpoint


divine


all pervasive consciousness


stillness


feeling of spaciousness or just layer two


id have to be quiet still and not doing anything and take some time to just bring my attention to it you know and it might take at least ten 15 minutes just sitting still just to get that get more to drop more into that sense that this is me


it could also relate to your identity really shifting into the spaciousness


spaciousness


lets say its just an open space to me like its theres just if i step back so if im stepping back and just um saying if theres no thought if im if im not putting thought into it it just its kind of just is so theres not really a sea without thought


no agency


so it sounds like at some point in your process of deepening youve actually shifted to location two


silence is another big one


stillness or spaciousness


and so thats another practice that you can just keep doing you know see exactly how deep you can get into stillness on the times when youre sick and tired of trying to widen out the aperture or look at what else might be happening just sink into stillness


you can have a lot change in your state of consciousness in terms of your sense of self in terms of a lot of things related to fundamental wellbeing without realizing it you can even have emotions fall away and suddenly at some point you realize oh theyre all gone you know when that happened and it can have been you know some weeks sometimes um so yes and you know any of these changes can happen without them appearing dramatic or sudden or even being noticed immediately so definitely dont discard your experience or expect you know if theres some significant deepening that has to happen in that way it usually doesnt um okay yeah thank you okay well your experience sounds sounds like layer two


love


out instead of feeling and presence feels no quieter or calmer


conditioning


it is possible that less detail or fewer memories are being stored


life seems to simply be unfolding and it feels like there is no need or ability to take action or make decisions in this location goals dont seem especially relevant though things continue to get doneone issue that can occur at any location on the continuum for new finders is a lack of motivation


could that possibly mean i was in location one


include very lowlevel brain processes


path of freedom


emotions


you describe it as a joy a positivity a contentment a warmth a glow


between now and once upon a time prior to fundamental well being is that it was a zoom in all the time and thats where identity was always located


presence here


happiness


thats kind of i suppose you could think of it as a very shallow experience of layer two certainly because you have sense of spaciousness as well sort of crossing over into layer two


emptiness


beingness


layer three and location two


location four you know youre just sort of watching your thoughts


real the self


location two layer three you might find openings especially through that joy over to location three and you can see if that makes sense


the level of stillness and silence is just like you know another magnitude beyond whats there in layer two so when i feel that it feels like i am that new level of stillness in addition to all the pervasive stuff thats going on too so i think im actually getting there and not sitting back and saying from this spacious emptiness im aware of this other stuff thats going on out there and yet its more still than it was a couple of minutes ago before i made the shift


but if youre not quite like quite there yet it seems that you can go to location four and then you realize that oh you know things are great no matter the the income


if you wanted to see if you could go in the direction of the celestial one thing to do especially sort of from location three which is kind of an ideal spot is to really put your attention on sinking into just that divine aspect and sort of an increasingly transcendent part of the divine and so if you imagined some sort of more in the direction of layer four


experiencing the positive emotions


vision stuff and all of that obviously sounds dead on


location 3 does not have this divine component for everyone


empathetic


freedom


all pervading quality


im going to heal my emotions from childhood around my mother or something you know like theyre often used for today and so you know i think we do have to separate sort of a healing context for them potentially from a transitioning context so thats pretty fundamental wellbeing and fundamental wellbeing someone is new to fundamental wellbeing


nondual location two and where your eyes are open it sounds like the tendency is to pull more towards location one but not entirely


sense of spaciousness


default is more silence and more peace and more distance from thoughts and emotions you might be rooted in layer two during those times


location


despite these reports none of this seems to impact their ability to perform at very high levels


spaciousness


no emotion


even my thoughts


and location two


still in the habit of laughing at a broad range of things especially in social situations


it does actually go back to layer two


you now see the spaciousness and its even more spacious and even more just infinite


let s just assume for purposes of this test that you are actually in location two


when i had the shift in the fundamental being it was pretty dramatic actually i mean dramaticbut it was very noticeable


and youre using the method that gets people to location four so think you can safely take that to be location for what pulled you out of it


mind


think of spaciousness all the time


when youre in location four you give yourself a little bit you know more likely access to path of freedom versus path of humanity


mean all of these things can also be location one you know you can feel a deeper sense of peace you can feel a very strong really foreground sense of peace in some instances all the time even in location one you know if you have somebody thats been in location one for a long time they didnt have much to decondition before and they havent been in it very long but they just dont have a lot of conditioning or didnt have a strong sense of self to begin with


you know less freedom but better slightly richer whatever more some love whatever experience of the path of humanity


you know a lot of identity built up in your system around layer three versions of fundamental wellbeing


like layer three is sort of you know fluid but its sort of like i dont know lounging around its like sort of there but in more of the location three state it was like it was almost dancing


self and the center both fall away


are there no emotions that are brought up around this


what about emotion you know from a layer three perspective


as someone grows up in fundamental wellbeing and anybody can be anywhere in between you know those two extremes you know youve had a corporate job youve done other stuff so clearly youve been able to function just fine you talk exactly like id expect you to talk in terms of you know these are just shows i put on for other people or basically and theyre kind of automated shows at this point they just sort of come on when they need to come on which of course they would by this point


ive actually one benefit is that ive got i have my anchor or my hook for location three out of it which just happened recently just pure pure holiness


presence


layer two is a sense


its more of an active a location three is more of an active merging of me with this great greatness rather than the nondual of its all this right is that im understanding correctly


then your description of location four sounds you know it sounds like location four you know no sense of self no sense of agency no emotion um it sounds like you probably did have a glimpse of location four


freedom


but at the same time it had some of these nondual qualities


location 3 involves


super joyous and love


location 3 only one dominant emotion is experienced


theres very little layer two in it have you ever had an experience that was solely layer two you know like really just emptiness without a sense of fullness


so theres just these ranges of different types of experience and theyre all you know theyre all perfectly fine


reported that it still had significant effects on


nonduality


think of it this way a normal person believes they are their body because that is what they can feel control the motor actions of and so on


its just one of those words that just just completely sticks out you know i was reading through your document and you used it pretty early on in your document and i was like crystalline interesting you know and then i get to the sex section and im like okay and then i just keep going and youre walking through the progression of how the divine has showed up over time and its like check right and then we get to the point where youre talking about your your perception of the divine in retrospect from this new you know its like check


or maybe it also is slightly experiencing it but not mostly in my conscious perception um but its so heavily infused with layer three that that muddies the waters


so its always functioning from a kind of separate perspective if youre paying attention to it


so pure peace would be have less energy in it less uh because to me peace is more restful whereas this does not feel russell has has energy and its so for pure peace as far as pure joy


mix of personal and impersonal emotion whether people can sense that or not depending on how deep they are


no self


nondual type experience


you cant find any emotions you cant find a sense of agency


so theres a clear understanding that that its location to lay or to but at the same time as im looking at the computer screen theres still a slight sense of me looking at the screen but its like this me is a greater me than the location to me so like the location to me it is sort of merged the nonduality


most of europe around the barrio in the room or if im at home theres you know theres theres trees in the garden i look outside the windows and and it goes a bit further yeah


infinite field of pure potentiality


more comprehensive form of nonduality occurs at this stage


positive sense


spaciousness


joy


as the phone is gone you now your stomach again its just like are you the body you know and all im trying to do is see if there is some actual fluidity here of identity or if generally speaking youre rooted in you know layer three and all of this other stuff is being experienced through it and i actually view the sinuses and the nervousness and all of that as a great benefit to have in this session because its kind of an extreme of sorts and so if you still have the fullness during those then we can say pretty confidently okay youre probably pretty well rooted in the fullness


the main thing was a sense of a kind of strong gravitational pull


being beingness or presence or the divine


unity


or 3


so it kind of felt like that after enlightenment that everything is just perfect nothing bothers me and everything is easy and i can do anything and


location three


nondual


any sense of stillness


probably layer two is going to be inaccessible


aliveness


my favorite definition of illusion is that its something real that appears to be something else other than what it is so its real smoke and mirrors that the magician uses to create the illusion that they just saw the woman in half you know so so thats kind of interesting perspective on it


freedom the piece mainly that its so peaceful


obviously more union with god is better within a worldview that is seeking it so it is not surprising that they would value this location more highly than earlier or later ones


you can just go straight from layer one to like a deep layer of you know location two in a very brief period


location 2


nonduality


sense of self


i would encourage you to not be communicating to the system that any aspect of fluidity is bad even location one


spaciousness never really resonated even in jazz emptiness well just theres silence


can you can you find the compassion element you know and the current layer three experience you know when youre and when you look at love and joy and compassion are there is there a relationship there in the current location to version of the experience


the first change well the two main changes as you notice is a more awareness of my thoughts and sensations so the more awareness of thoughts and just everything and also just being deeply connected to the body its like it feels like im shifting from being connected to the thoughts to being connected to the body


there s still a lot of thoughts that i have they are not so much in as as they were when i when i was not in fundamental being


fullness


thats certainly possible i can understand you know a sense of aliveness in the body right being comingled with an aliveness with sort of the aliveness as one of the words or one of the one of the aspects of the sense of presence


this is a stillness for


or maybe it also is slightly experiencing it but not mostly in my conscious perception um but its so heavily infused with layer three that that muddies the waters


sometimes emptiness


there was no agency


location three brings other ancillary issues with it


everything just shows up


like that state of like everything is just great everything is just perfect like how they say before enlightenment


spacious emptiness


and no apparent sense of agency or ability to


layer three in a sense theres i was just having a friend dinner with a friend last night and i said the one thing even layer four i said i which is where i investigate i still have a thing of i care about what people think about me and i say that theres no self well thats just silly but the conditioning and ive looked at it and done spend time with it and its almost laughable in a certain way the way it arises i can see it and i kind of laugh at it but it still shows up so in some sense theres some sense of emotion around that you know so i say yeah so theres what it is for me is freedom um thats why i even say low layer four early location four yeah all of that you know it just continue to deepen and free this to be just whats here


if you were going dual when you were into layer one


there an experience of the divine in that centered spaciousness


however if i dont really have to i can sink in pretty deep but i think i can reach into layer three of location two


no agency


and does the vast stillness have any quality that you would describe as spacious or um empty


lovebased facet may feel like divine or universal love or simply impersonal love


than location two


presence in


pervasive consciousness


popular term for this change in perception is nonduality or not two


spaciousness


joy or love or any emotional components


to layer one function


until recently suddenly theres been a rise in some sort of emotion which im just a little perplexed by you know and theres times when id actually be crying and have absolutely no idea why i was crying you know so thats fairly recent thats the last few months before that theres really no emotion you know


sense of merging


love and compassion


its the its really the pervasive sense of presence and that and that fullness penetrating things and whatnot that were that were primarily looking for is the hallmarks more of a layer three


a lot of deconditioning can happen at location three so thats a bit of a magical deconditioning spot for sure


infused with a panpsychist sense


two would be you know vast spacious emptiness and i do experience vastness you know if i close my eyes and just go inside thats something ive felt for decades but i dont know the yeah im just confused about presence versus the presence of fullness versus emptiness i dont experience a lot of contrast so when im in my full heart space i dont sense that theres so much greater presence than when i feel like im in a more emotionally neutral or emotionally absent space


location 4


location 2


im there is just a much stronger sense of awareness and its much easier to get distance from from thoughts when im when im not really doing anything like i would like i would go sit and chat with a friend


divine


reprogram


sense you know given your background and what youve traditionally gravitated from you know force towards system wise rooted into for decades um you know all of that stuff for sure i mean its all so classically layer three


and so if theres conditioning triggered in the system it kind of really just gets dissolved by that positive meta emotion and can do wonders for healing a lot of conditioning um yeah location four


i do but its but its very sort of quick and quick and its


there was definitely that sense of the thing that knows the thing that happens things happen to even like the physical sense of sort of like that not a presence behind the eyes


there is this curiosity about the things that i experienced and whether it is what you call celestial or its something entirely different so thats why i mentioned it


fullness this


layer two and feel emptiness


single remaining positive


layer three thing and say thats you know colors are very vibrant and its just its very intense like perceptual


silence and stillness


youve mentioned that lets assume that sort of that spaciousness type of thing is in the direction of layer two


optimize for the environment youre in fundamental well being


then you get increasing distance from that starting at layer two and working your way up through the layers


youre in location three i mean like you know is it bad to be more generous in a therapeutic environment you know with yourself or you know with your caring or whatever else no its not so thats fine you have one of those professions where you can be anywhere


fullness


if you wanted to see if you could go in the direction of the celestial one thing to do especially sort of from location three which is kind of an ideal spot is to really put your attention on sinking into just that divine aspect and sort of an increasingly transcendent part of the divine and so if you imagined some sort of more in the direction of layer four


so again its a sense of its a sense of wellbeing in a way and it feels kind of blissful in a way like just comfortable sense of fullness and energy and this kind of sense of in appreciation tenderness that hard to really put a put words to it


ive broken it for life


fear there because theres emotion there and emotion is


so love joy compassion


kind of merging with it


the deep sense that everything is fundamentally okay regardless of current circumstances moves more into the foreground the deeper someone moves into location 2


negative feelings


joy


that sense of nonduality but the subtle sense of duality um like informing it or underlying it


yeah thats like when i said that like location four is the new two yeah like that obviously theres theres all this stuff happening and how much you know how much of it is just subjective experience and it feels like all these things are in operation doing what they need to do


but with with some limits on the love and compassion side of things and the overall predominance of joy um not a sense of unity type stuff or divine type stuff or anything like that it just might be easier for you to route in to layer three and location two rather than trying to make the jump


merging


although their need for approval has lessened even further than location 2


location 1


so it sounds like that experience you had in 2017 um its not entirely clear whether that was location two


beingness that pervades everything


conditioning


layer two experience


if you go through location four and dont deepen which means you dont get really isolated in layer four that makes it more likely youd be on the path of humanity


emptiness


experience of the spaciousness but its still relatively shallow because your identity isnt generally speaking really shifting into that


but it a get deeper version of layer three its definitely been i guess enhanced or like shown what is possible and really just me seeing how much me being in location two later three is just kind of i mean the word id say is zombified like almost its easy for me to just sort of escape in that way and feel okay about it and then suddenly going into three three same thoughts same thoughts that would come up in vacation two that i would just escape from suddenly oh wow i have this extra feeling of love i dont have to leave i can just be here and oh they dont you know it doesnt get worse it actually just releases then i think what brought me down a bit the last few days has just been working and you know the casino environment is not even though ive been used to it its not exactly the best for deepening yeah so i think im literally like 29 like im just below the three and you know now i got the next week off so i think ill um go back into it i got this interesting thing called um a hug sleep so its basically an adult swaddle like um i dont know whatever they use it compresses you so you just sleep in it and it just feels like somebodys hugging you so that seems to be working on the attachment theory stuff


location 5


location 2


because thats a tough place to be so if you and they doubt probably and they often doubt that they are even in fundamental being at that point because its such a difficult place to be it feels like they left fundamental wellbeing and entered a dark night of the soul of some kind


weve got certainly have experiences of layer two


mindfulness meditation


of location two but theres still some sense of separateness there and then the third one that you experienced is classic you know nondual type of perception


nothingness


it seems like sort of silence and stillness type of that sort of thing is central to everything that you talk about


when youre describing like a deeper nonduality is the absence of layer one


spaciousness


you know it doesnt quite sound like that piece has clicked in yet such that you know youre over in some sort of stable location for type experience


so it kind of felt like that after enlightenment that everything is just perfect nothing bothers me and everything is easy and i can do anything and


fullness


there are a handful of sects that directly focus on location 4 and even 5


it but it was very vibrant it was very impactful you know it wasnt and it was very serene it was much more a sense of deep serenity


layer three is really like joyous


absolutely and even sinking into my apartment when im you know because i dont even do that a lot like now im doing the thing im full and im doing like the one hour meditation its like whoa this is effective like one hour and its like yeah im super you know into fundamental wellbeing


different types of freedom


personal love anger jealously and other emotions are a regular occurrence in their lives with two very notable differences


its a deeper quality of layer three that you were you were experiencing where it really can feel deathless eternal untouchable no sense of an individual self youre deep in it so theres nothing to die its obviously extraordinarily present at that point and


layer two


no time no space no sense of self


speech patterns morals habits hobbies and even addictions probably remain


if your attention is more on what youre doing or on the mind doesnt necessarily mean that your perception has gone nondual as has gone dual you could still be experiencing it all as one field of experience arising but have your attention primarily on the mind content in that field of experience


id say it is infused with the layer three experience that im having if i if i look into it its yes that sense of self is in its in the field its like its like almost i dont know if it contains the field um


aliveness


you can have a lot change in your state of consciousness in terms of your sense of self in terms of a lot of things related to fundamental wellbeing without realizing it you can even have emotions fall away and suddenly at some point you realize oh theyre all gone you know when that happened and it can have been you know some weeks sometimes um so yes and you know any of these changes can happen without them appearing dramatic or sudden or even being noticed immediately so definitely dont discard your experience or expect you know if theres some significant deepening that has to happen in that way it usually doesnt um okay yeah thank you okay well your experience sounds sounds like layer two


empathy


sense of presence


5 or beyond


seems like a very nice place to be a sense of divinity all the time you know loving your its you know youre happy very happy and so on and youre still able to interact in the world


it sounds it all sounds very fundamental wellbeing but not necessarily celestially


there is listening but not the perception of a separate listener or hearer


maybe be the layer one experience on location to


some of the other things about location two dont seem to quite have a whole lot


might not seem true at all in location


location four definitely adds a whole new perspective and can decondition a lot especially if one deepens there um but yeah save that for when you feel the timing is good


hallmarks of location four motion is obviously one


dont think ive had emotions for a very long time i do remember early in physical life where there were waves and peaks and valleys of of but i would describe as energy fluctuations and that seems very distant and when i try to recall when i tried to get there right when i try to place myself there its not easy access um and it feels like im watching that from far far far far far away and it doesnt trigger any bodily physiological responses


location 1 was primarily marked by the sense


choose to live in a community of individuals from only one location on the continuum youd most likely want it to be people in location 3


of participants experience though they


freedom


direction


presence


locations 5


and but there s this is like one very positive feeling where that in a very strong connectedness to other people i so there is a sense of self but it s not  it s not important so it s but i can feel the difference


like im actually experiencing some of that right now im experiencing some of that anxiety right now i feel it like theres some sort of its like a performance anxiety kind of thing


so we narrow it down to location two its that easy


the nervousness


another thing with a major advertising agency


fluidity into layer three


divine one


location too


emotion


even if you just have a sense while youre driving that its all the divine and its all happening by itself and its the divine driving that may not be the type of union were describing in location three


ill channel jesus for you


fullness


location 5


physiological kind of experience of anxiety can just persist in a shallower form of fundamental wellbeing


mix of personal and impersonal emotion whether people can sense that or not depending on how deep they are


it sounds a lot to me like youre rooted primarily in layer three as your dominant layer


it becomes the emptiness the empty spaciousness


flat


when you just upset at it it does a little bit like it didnt at first and that question sort of made it feel there was a connection or merge


transparent nothingness


i feel like based in the mind that its a place that i experience the world from and where my attention is most of the time


although a soulless version of a dark night of the soul the soul word doesnt make a lot of sense to them um and so there are these there are such significant changes identity wise for you in that leap from layer three to layer four location four


location four you know youre just sort of watching your thoughts


let s stick those aside for now and let s stay with sort of the spacious emptiness thing and also some of the location two qualities


layer two more spacious more distance more space around thoughts and emotions type of thing um


when youre even when youre just using like if youre using for instance theres a method where like somebody just comes and holds you in a very loving way and eventually you find yourself sobbing in their arms you have no idea why youre sobbing and you know whatever else and its its just sort of this preverbal thing and theres really not that many people in the world that can even get somebody to you know have that experience


peace and silence


deep


presence


when i do come into that spaciousness


location four feels like humanitys just been turned off right


i think i probably zoom in a little bit too far or zoom in back down to like layer one


very persistent stubborn sense


problem at its level if that if that actually is its level if you have access to a greater range of fundamental wellbeing thats outside of it sort of like its better to pick meditation methods that work on the brain not in the brain


spaciousness


theres much more flow now than there used to be


maybe primary silence and presence would be the two


sense of divinity


when temporary there are finders who can intentionally bring it about and others who just have it happen to them from time to time regardless of how it occurs in this state the world seems to be moving through them and not the other way around generally this occurs at location 4 and beyond


it may feel as if actions are part of a larger universal order rather than personal


theres many different kinds of nonduality but this particular visual thing seems to just always be something that if the answer is yes theres some form of nonduality being experienced


location 8


ive been in layer one for so long


it seems endless it seems you can go endlessly into that


and location four is viewed as horrifying by the other parents you know or something like that


and when youre kind of in that in that sense of self it obviously feels like its kind of what you are or like youre looking from that perspective


5 or 6 or 7


boredom thing


how to sort of break the gravity of layer three to have it be less of a to go beyond it being a sense you know for many people


regarding the layer three experiences what youve described thus far is primarily affect so its like emotion related to what can be related to layer three particularly if its like very impersonal forms of love joy compassion um those types of experiences


talk about feeling that they extend beyond their body


finders report an absence of emotion but this doesnt mean they stop feeling great


fundamental wellbeing is naturally fluid


location 3 have less narrativeself


it feels pretty full to me


full related space or a more emptiness related space or something like that


life history


d say is pretty or really the dominant state unless i really focus on location one and even then


you know youre past the sense point obviously of layer two youre to the direct perceiving of layer two at various amounts of depth of layer two and even to the point where youre starting to get occasional periods of identity shifting into it and so thats you know a really good progression into layer two


reductions in both conditioning and the importance of outcomes make goal attainment increasingly less pertinent


experiences of layer two um you get the the spaciousness and you also get a sense of emptiness


we dont know if its promising from a transition standpoint but we certainly know that its promising from a meditation standpoint and its looking increasingly like certain substances are going to match up to certain types of meditation and things like that and so i think theres a distinction between if one is doing it you know from a healing standpoint and a therapeutic environment of some kind or at a micro dose level versus just continuing to sort of you know flood the brain with some sort of breakthrough dose for some kind of consciousness expansion type of thing we we weve just seen so many adverse fundamental wellbeing


d say really location three especially after feeling that for a few days um really seeing where that can take me just feeling more alive as a human being


so you might even have conditioned your system to perceive it that way because youve used it as an access point for layer two by paying attention to the space rather than the content of the space


locations 6 through 9 typically bring dramatically increased reports of accurate premonitions intuition and related experiences


layer three is prominent with fluidity to layers one and two


merging


nonduality


a range of emotion positive and negative


experiencing a single emotion of love and joy and compassion or divine or panpsychist sense or any of those things that we would look for in in location three


it feels more like presence there is this sort of buzzing energy thats pretty much always happening its quite strong now um thats something that i associate with aliveness but it doesnt have the sort of intelligence that awareness has presence has uh so im not really sure thats one of the questions im not so yeah that buzzing did sort of i do associated with layer three


that type of thing is also typical of location six


nondual perception


if its something that shows up when you deepen into layer three and showed up initially for the first time when you started getting access to layer three then you could probably say you know safely say that its some you know aspect of your experience that correlates with layer three


if they want to go back to location three is theyve often spent a lot of time rooting in to nonduality


sense of fullness


tv series and movie lovers find themselves increasingly less drawn to these forms of passing the time


location three is really appropriate versus a location two


senselessness or sort of centered fullness or just the body


six seven youre not going to be able to even see your thoughts and


generate theyre generating thoughts and and feelings according to the environment and and kind of can not believe them or can just ignore them or study them if they want so so so thats the thats the good days so i think when i when i can do that thats my layer two


there are exceptions however for a minority of location 3 finders their profound sense of truth involving what should be done in most situations can be so strong that it can make them difficult to live with


you can look at that in moments where you really feel very triggered whether there is a real sense of self associated with thoughts and emotions that are arising or whether youre just feeling your attention being very absorbed into layer one because that can also happen


and layer three when your eyes are closed


mental state to fundamental wellbeing


fullness


the fullness and so on um what happens in both cases both with the fullness and when i reach the more of a peaceful emptiness is um theres still a sense of an underlying field again like the self


that sounds very layer two ish so you have diagnosed yourself well on that one


feel like spacious


spaciousness


location 4 finders report an even deeper sense of peace and wellbeing


probably not really going to location one unless you are genuinely feeling not a part of that spaciousness


they have generally been interested in people that seem to be able to move things with their minds manifest things they focus on and so forth beyond location 9


from a purely nondual sense and location


layer three is to try and pay attention to what is actually perceiving the space perceiving layer two or what is making the experience or awareness of it possible


sense of emptiness


self is that yeah the reflection on experience which itself produces experience and all the qualities of experience which is why you know when you sense into whats beyond layer three it feels like its unknowable or a mystery or without qualities


funny


i could i could fortunately i could stay clued into the to what they said and then id say something you know oh tell me more about that or you know that was all i could do i couldnt work out what i need to do with this client


s it felt like my vision was going back like like something was wrong with my vision um so thats the only the only thing it just seems to mean it cant be more flat but you know whatever that sort of you know sense of just you know no extension you know it again it seems like there can be extension but its not the default at all you know like i said i wake up i wake up and everythings flat


sense of beingness


the reason i would call it nonduality is because theres a slight memory of what it was like to be dual and its almost like a faint imprint and its not i guess because its not there and theres greater connection almost like my eyes are slightly glazed over or like in like no subject object or out or less


divine in nature


and location two that are in the direction of location three


it might be some way that your system kind of translates or resonates with layer three or sinking into layer three


youre getting a deep experience of layer three and you only get that when you close your eyes


in some aspects of it its individual and some aspects of these locations we could have very granular you know type of changes we find its almost impossible to communicate those to people you know that it just sounds like a smear and so we cluster things at the at the boundary of what is a smear able sounding thing for the most part yeah yeah and so thats what allows me to listen to an experience like yours and think you know dont think that was so much a location three experience probably as maybe something more in location two layer three yeah all right


location 4 an even more pronounced change


you know everybodys terrified of location one theyre horrified that theyre going to get stuck there or you know whatever else


multidimensional type of experience of the of the matrix the layers and locations and make it possible to view from or through the perspective of something like location 2


if its arising more strongly and blocking out a perception that you really never leave layer two its just that its you know as its coming up its sort of pushing layer two into the background and sort of you know hiding it a little bit and all of your attention is going here on layer one because its like in the foreground of your experience and then you know you you immediately you can think to yourself well wait a minute and then layer two you know can come more forward right but i think one thing to pay attention to in your experience is is there an underlying identity shift in that process you know are you going from layer two and theres that disappearing and layer one is coming on and then layer two is coming back in you know with layer one sort of you know contained within it away in a way or is it a situation where layer two is always there youre never actually leaving layer two youre stable in layer two but just some of the you know some of the problems or issues or triggers that you have are so significant that theyre really giving you know just just you know theyre really creating a trigger that pulls that layer one very very very close so that maybe you have difficulty even seeing around it


yeah its like identity is still remaining on the layer on layer one on the level of the mind but its kind of getting very immersed in this experience of emptiness and nothingness that its reacting to it like its sort of seeing its own emptiness or its own


deep sense of joy quiet joy appears and it feels like this joy is almost at the heart of everything that i perceive


location 3 is found in many religious and spiritual traditions


spaciousness


and theres some more notes here like the deepest part of this is is the back of my heart feels really sort of timeless spaciousness or or like like like a like a grand dimension um i feel like im behind myself im watching myself im feeling like im a field of awareness the body is still here and it still has sensations and pain but its happening within a field sometimes when im driving it feels like everything is moving through me and again feeling im not having a back or a heart or a head so that so so more the back the back of the body the back of the head im feeling emptiness and when i notice this this then fills up the room um and i feel im in in the rooms um so to speak and so this can have like an emptiness feeling but then the body is still there but then when i when i when i go into this sort of spaciousness feeling behind myself im the body


at night its like that in low light because like you say wheres the light source with the shades drawn and the theres no light source so it does seem like things are selfluminous but during the day not so much but but things arent being mediated like mean maybe subsystem wise things are still mediated that way but theres no thought mediating the visual uh experience


or location four


and thats that motion still field of presence that is aware that is experiencing the field of spaciousness you know emptiness it makes the experience possible or illuminates the experience so that could be a helpful way of of deepening into layer three from layer two if that resonates with you dont think necessarily it does for everyone but it can be a very useful point for some people thought it might cool


fundamental wellbeing


nondual type


sinking in to the qualities of your current experience that are in the best direction for in this case location three


location 1 still have a relatively full range of positive and negative emotions


its still there but the sort of like alive presence that i feel that isnt limited to me but everywhere is part of that field and its like it was always there but now that im aware aware of it it was just sort of like a very slight phase shift to be able to see it like if it was a visual thing it would be like averting my glance just like a couple of degrees in one direction and then like suddenly its there


back into location one


layer one sort of sense of self type of stuff that youre paying attention to there


sort of the presence and the fullness of place


so youve definitely got the meta emotion you can start to sink into that increasingly letting it overshadow personal emotion if you want to go in the direction of location three and now you can also detect that experience of a kind of all pervading consciousness or presence which is of course layer three where youre at now


or location two


alien type feeling can be deeper in location too


um so really focusing on the love joy compassion elements of your experience as well as the sense of the divine um and really deepening into that probably it wouldnt be a bad idea for you to use some methods that are tuned to location three


between location one


location 4


and so location four is emotionless agency less you know divine less feeling of you know alienness feeling of loss of humanity


at the shallower part of layer three just a kind of warm benevolent container


conditioning


freedom


an individualized sense of self were reported as


you mentioned that it feels like the presence is equally present everywhere


location 1


path of humanity


but it does change an individuals relationship with these emotions


fullness


the continuum starts at location 1


so it could take between 5 minutes to 30 minutes to i probably have to go through layer two and then start to fill the spaciousness or calm my body and the anxiety and the work stuff down enough


location 3


okay great so thats our main test for nonduality its very clean you know its just straight perception there isnt some question around some how does your sense of self feel or something like that nonduality is a perceptual thing so it can be tested with perceptual means so we know now that youre at least in a nondual location it sounds like you have some range of emotionality you talked about how they drop off quicker but theyre obviously still present


what falls away in location three on the emotion front is personal emotion so all that remains is really that meta emotion so you could even just be constantly paying attention to that on there in terms of the emotional experience that you have and kind of turn your attention away from any personal emotion that arises and just let it get kind of eclipsed by the meta emotion of love joy and compassion that you already have access to its probably something you can notice in any moment if you turn your attention to it so thats something you could do to bias your system in the direction of location three


negative emotions


people can have whole sides of their body go limp and be inoperable for periods of time basically anything involving motor function sensory perception type things theres often a sense that like someone has to learn to rehear or you know even retaste or there can be these like just almost like all sensory learning just sort of falling apart and what we think is happening there is that the senses of self that are involved that are falling away at location six are very deep theyre very old they were basically coming together at the same time that sensory learning was happening


vastness


emotional or energetic almost feels like an entity


location 1 finders often still have conditioning that relates to approval from others


location 5


spaciousness


emptiness


thats generally your sense of what you are except when your attention gets very pulled into layer one at which point we dont know for sure whether your identity shifts there or whether just all of your attention is occupied with it and youre not noticing the the space around things


these protoemotions can also be consciously manipulated to prevent the full emotion from formingusing our previous example of getting upset when cut off in traffic individuals who have this ability to perceive a finer level of detail and gain control over what layers arise also have more control over their reactions


fundamental wellbeing


the first which will be referred to as the path of freedom pof


so tell me about when you think you switched to location two


first of all you know one of the things that this does is it shows your system it shows your nervous system that youre serious about this that its not something that is just two hours in a chair at your place um you know that its something that you want to do you want the system to start experimenting with bringing more into these different aspects and areas of your life and then you know itll find a way for you to be funny and still you know at a deeper stage of fundamental well being


doesnt feel empty or in the beginning it can feel like the emptiness is sort of infused with presence or beingness or fullness um some people might describe it as an aliveness but it doesnt feel empty any longer


no sense of agency


leaning towards being location three


layer one is going to be very present and subjective experience and you know the quality


when psychologically triggered they could


because i feel like i should probably you know because i noticed the the other day when i was like oh i should this is not going to work i need to come out of this location for thing it was to location to layer three that i popped down to


location 1 finders experience a heightened sense of being complete


of feel feel a bit more emotional for some reason like like when you say that when you know


emptiness or the qualities of layer two


nothingness


yeah so personal emotion um which includes all negative emotion is really more or less out of view in location three so only that universal love joy compassion meta emotion remains


aloneness


openness


spaciousness of layer two


dont notice the stillness and the spaciousness anymore


its hard to let go of that but but i think that thats thats my experience yeah


fullness


stillness


it wouldnt be location four if youve got that universal love


spaciousness


quieting of thoughts or the other stuff


path of freedom


mature


location 3 participants had shed their


location 2


mindful


so the fullness it feels like its flowing flowing flowing out of me and it feels really full


nonduality


location 5


and then if i can and then and then im often able to then kind of like say well you know whats seeing or or who am i and kind of get in touch with actually my awareness of being aware and and so


so now we would say about location two is and we probably would have been more nuanced even back then


its sort of like the problem with people saying theres no doer and that theres the doer can sort of go away and location too


emptiness


for a faith such as christianity feelings of divinity increase until they reach a crescendo in the furthest reaches of location 3


stillness


when it comes to presence theres no boundary


the thinker


it makes perfect sense youd be able to zoom in zoom out


total range of emotion


sounds like you know layer three of location two


it feels more pleasant than the senselessness


mind


but thought maybe let me put layer one because it obviously was a huge shift when i realized i this presence was everywhere and is everything and everything that id ever read i was now experiencing it except i didnt expect to go into mourning


when you go to location four you see through a lot of things that our previous and the in the continuum you and in the matrix even if you go to very strongly into layer four in location two you know you realize even from a very very strong glimpse of layer four in location two you really do realize that sort of everything from location three on down is just sort of imaginary


im not thats interesting ah okay now that said personal actually its simply more a reaction rather than the person its simply yeah im having whatever


but again that is if i choose to focus in that way and i dont have a sense of emptiness rather i would say when i you know when if i just feel its more of a sense of fullness that im experiencing and i feel like i experienced that in the world as well so not just in myself and but then when i relate to people for example that is still going to be you know im still going to default back into seeing us as two separate individuals right and you know very much in that way


and what you would be what would really indicate that shift is that duality returning to your experience where there really is a sense of something that is dissolving into or merging with the divine presence and everything and in addition to that meta emotion of love joy compassion um but you can also begin to experience in location two layer three


like a sort of low energy state with the you know no emotion or very low affect and then yeah lack of motivation or ability to act upon intentions and a real no agency wouldnt necessarily involve you not doing anything would just feel like youre just watching it happen


think i said now that ive been in it since 2018 when i took the finals course i transitioned then but then i was very much experiencing a lot of negative emotions and reactivity so i thought that i might have been going in and out but looking back it could have also been that i was just like having it pushed back a lot in the background like i was going through something like a love relationship thing in the beginning of the year and i was sure that i was out of it because it was just like so much emotional baggage that i havent felt for years and then i just looked okay i have to i have to see if i can find it you know the okayness and it was there very immediately but i think for a while it was pushed


spacious emptiness


fluid


but that is in fact our default state of being at least my default state of being for decades possibly yours too if you weren t always in fundamental wellbeing


aliveness


there is a strong sense of divinity associated with the experience


very fluid and integrated across layers 1


love


three


or location two


emptiness


location 1 individuals are on the earliest portion of the continuum


right so should also be trying to pull myself out of like nonduality or like like get more into being a looker or something or is that more like location one then


so spaciousness and stuff layer too


staying more shallow you do increase your range


location 2s form of nonduality


background field of presence


emptiness seems to come further down the line and so if spaciousness is there a little bit more present in the experience and you can remember instances where you shifted into and would have said


alien


spacious emptiness


so so youve got the that positive meta emotion love joy compassion


makes them even less reactive


it certainly sounds like most of your experience of the deeper layer stuff is layer three everything you described is sort of layer three qualities and it sounds like you can actually sink into that very easily and you know a highly fluid to that place and in addition it shifts you to location two from having a more dual sort of perception and so thats really just awesome


showing up or constriction in the body


layer one more accessible strangely


and everything arises is objects and the subject is this space which is me so it is the


so do you notice any other changes weve talked about layer two and spaciousness and


fundamental wellbeing prior to where youve landed


spaciousness


that you had mentioned that location to layer four is like not that likely to happen um and this this sense of like just what is or just you know everything is just the way it is or whatever um that doesnt seem to go in and out um but you know theres theres no perceptual difference to it its just you know its just like not an understanding but its just like it feels like once thats there why would you think otherwise you know


i actually it was actually this past so i started the 45 days course in january and and it took me until early august actually to where i actually diagnosed myself as okay im actually at that point fundamental wellbeing


decision making type of judgment


spacious


and spaciousness


it triggers the the the persona who is rewarded for her intelligence was paid to be a management consultant to analyze massive data sets and i dont want to be in that uh space but i can feel that theres a residual


i think he had a lot of those tendencies even remaining in fundamental wellbeing and one thing that hes learned is that you know using certain supplements and stuff to really sort of increase my i mean any time theres some new thing that might increase mitochondria energy more you know than what hes using or something like that man he is on it and he just raves about the difference that that makes in the system the same with you know his interest a lot of his interest in things like the light hats and stuff like that


which would still mean that the mind is quite dominant in your experience


perceiving the fullness less


a sense of pervading fullness fullness that permeates everything you say you often have a subtle sense of this sometimes so subtle that you wonder if youre imagining it


location five it doesnt always go away if someone comes back from location five


location two


it sounds to me more like youve got some space youve got some distance from thoughts and emotions and


theres not theres nothing centered on you perceiving those sounds either as a hearer or as a more localized but different from the rest of it sense of spaciousness or something like that you know as well


layer one i can absolutely work out that theres not it cant be like if you go from your own direct experience there just isnt and sometimes its totally gone so listening to music can just be the music is and im not


presence all pervading kind of thing


and then the karmic stuff i was really committed until finally i moved on to nonduality and then i became equally committed but didnt have the experience


and does the vast stillness have any quality that you would describe as spacious or um empty


sense of self


i do think you can in this case mean youre experiencing locations that are extremely rare so youre definitely not an ordinary case and you do have pk type experiences by location eight and nine


layer one is interesting because theres like the active thought with the words the narrative in the head


freedom


location 4


reported were gone


and then same for location three in some ways so location three can be really powerful for healing things because you cant really experience negative emotion so just bringing you know thats essentially the whole thing with leicesters love it just really encodes the memories to be an experience thats associated with the pardon


regardless of whether youre in location one


deconditioning and reconditioning


one of them is the love aspect of and any other aspects of layer


you can just play with it for a bit and see like add it as something you can use for deconditioning and then spend the next session really deepening into the location three type direction of layer three and see if you can make that switch


merging


i found an exemplar of someone who i found inspiring and how theyre navigating the world and it was only one week so who knows if the rest of his life is a mess but somehow energetically and his stability and his ability to pretty much be in grounded in the situation with a great deal of palpable presence and peace so again if i was kind of trying to reverse engineer it i was thinking well that s potentially like location three with access to one or location to layer three


spaciousness


emptiness


so theres a clear understanding that that its location to lay or to but at the same time as im looking at the computer screen theres still a slight sense of me looking at the screen but its like this me is a greater me than the location to me so like the location to me it is sort of merged the nonduality


and then if i can and then and then im often able to then kind of like say well you know whats seeing or or who am i and kind of get in touch with actually my awareness of being aware and and so


while im deepening into layer three i think like the liveness thing but the sense of causality losing meaning and flatness its more like deepening into the raw experience thats available like really leaving all the concepts behind and diving for whats actually here kind of thing yeah


aliveness


recondition


and so its possible you have some degree of fluidity from some form of layer two sense of self to a more layer one sense of self


wonder


fullness wise


the fullness


glimpsing layer four


nicer to people


which pulls you all the way back to layer one and location one basically as those as those experiences fade


but didnt really have too much time to dig into that whole agency thing you might already be getting glimpses or have had glimpses of location four my guess is youll get temporary experiences of it doing this you know it wont just like be some jump over in you know tomorrow morning and some locking into location four so you can probably you know get some temporary experiences of it get some more experiences of it and start to get a feel for it and at least its more shallow form before it really sort of deepens and locks in


something that seems true to a finder in location 3


but sometimes it feels so real because my layer one mind was was screaming well im losing my safety net and i mean the my savings reached me and that would be bad for my family


and even in situations where id normally just just be worried about and in and experience anxiety and that kind of stuff there would be that feeling right there and a lot of times it was in the foreground i went through a period where a lot of times it was in the foreground and and and and then i said you know i might be there


layer three um but yeah like the the spatial the spaciousness was replaced by the fullness and everything was kind of linked together in a way


spaciousness


fullness


seems like a very nice place to be a sense of divinity all the time you know loving your its you know youre happy very happy and so on and youre still able to interact in the world


its accessible when im in a deeper silence and stillness its accessible


sense of spacious emptiness


fullness and more presence and stuff


love


kind of more boundary dissolving in terms of my own where my where i end and the world begins its kind of that boundary just vanishes


be having presence


pervasive consciousness


and your spiritual system happens to end at a certain point of layer three in location two


so that location eight and nine seems it s almost like at that point that deeper layer really becomes very visible or dominant


and location three


emptiness


like disapproval like i noticed that i kind of had a lot of these disapproval patterns of myself and so i started noticing them more and kind of like just kind of letting them go so maybe that was a big shift and now more recently ive been noticing that there is a lot of this anxiety kind of pattern that feels like a its like a performance type anxiety or like approval type of thing and that comes up like really a lot every day yeah so yeah so thats like thats dropping me down to layer one often


it wouldnt be location four if youve got that universal love


probably was yeah and then you know you can always of course remember that right um and so you know if if right now what feels like is happening is that union you know dissolving however we want to think about it kind of thing right um it doesnt mean that you cant remember the other thing


worry


exercise layer one verbal logical rational facility


layer three of location four you know as you experience them there you know with that amazing richness and because its emotional the richness is emotional


divine or any sort of panpsychist


like this its that centerless field its still all pervading all present


centreless quality of aliveness


these individuals typically report having no sense of agency nor any ability to make a decision


mean all of these things can also be location one you know you can feel a deeper sense of peace you can feel a very strong really foreground sense of peace in some instances all the time even in location one you know if you have somebody thats been in location one for a long time they didnt have much to decondition before and they havent been in it very long but they just dont have a lot of conditioning or didnt have a strong sense of self to begin with


fundamental wellbeing


sense of of union


and i could feel that it was location for but it gradually sort of faded and i feel like i returned


location 5


beingness


location one experience of layer two and so that more or less just fits in with the rest of your selfassessment regarding you know where you might be at what you might actually be experiencing um and whatever else yeah


but with positive emotion rather than neutral


fullness


i guess sort of like a flowing


one undesirable issue for them is memory deficits


layer two is a sense


however when asked to describe the details of their firstperson experience differences between them emerge even individuals who have studied and practiced their religion or spiritual system together in the same place for decades can arrive at different versions of fundamental wellbeing sometimes these variations can be more in sync with individuals outside of their tradition than those within it think of it this way there might be only a handful of people within a given tradition who experience location 4


joy


spaciousness


and location four


you are in location four because it locks you in


it doesnt feel differentiated but like it doesnt feel like theres too much of a differentiation between me and the room and so the aliveness that i feel inside of me and my energy i guess is yeah i dont i dont see a clear distinction between that and whats going on around me


strong sense of presence


self is that yeah the reflection on experience which itself produces experience and all the qualities of experience which is why you know when you sense into whats beyond layer three it feels like its unknowable or a mystery or without qualities


agency


aliveness yeah the aliveness sensation wouldnt be layer three you know strictly you know it may correlate to layer three


spacious emptiness


its hard to let go of that but but i think that thats thats my experience yeah


nonduality for you


it s kind of in terms of deepening into fundamental wellbeing it s a little bit more like the teaching it s a teaching which is corrective but is not itself an expression of what the truth is


sense of an all pervading field of presence or fullness or silence pervading everything field of silent presence whatever um it can be a field of aliveness but its a nonphysical experience or non sensory kind of perception


location three for that for your breaks and holidays not vacation for vacation four doesnt feel like anything


it feels quite a bit more spacious now


right so much so that like both of our coats smelled like it for a while after a little bit right and and we were and it led to this discussion about frustration and location for right because that experience was absolutely experienced as you know frustration for her and location for at that moment


do you feel like its the fullness thats perceiving the spaciousness as in is your sense of what you are remaining kind of rooted in layer three and sort of becoming aware of the spaciousness or emptiness


layer three its like you go there and its just immediately gone


the great thing that you moved in the direction of jesus because you know his his followers are a lot more about union


its a perspective of you know sort of having seen through the stuff at layer three


i looked into a bit of attachment theory and then i so i sat down the first of the month you know to do the exercise you know i literally got an airbnb in the forest for a week and said i would just go through the finders book go through the wheres the locations book and just start writing stuff down so i started writing stuff down and then i kept just getting super triggered so i just took a pillow and i just like hugged a pillow for like ten hours a day for the whole week and i think it was must have been an attachment theory thing because when i started feeling safe certain triggers started coming up and then boom instead of the trigger you know me like going into safety mode it just ended up releasing and then i must have been a week ago found myself in location three four and you know not for a few minutes but for a more consistent period of time a couple of days so now i think im a little further back down in location two later three


not nondual


it feels like what you see everything you see around you is just there its just showing up um without a distinct or real sense of a separate look or looking at it even though of course you can still tell you have got like a location and space and youre not identical to the wall and so on um but there isnt that subjective sense of


where someone at location 1 on the continuum might have a short outburst and make a brief hand gesture individuals


feeling increasingly comfortable with being spaciousness instead of being a body mind


i suppose the goals are in location two to do some deconditioning


the silence and stillness stuff that you talk about that runs through everything which it should im just talking about sort of the more distinctive qualities so spaciousness and then emptiness


and you the mind mental activity some personal sense of self that comes with that so so thats cool definitely you know youve identified that your your attention by default is you know focused to some extent at least on layer one


spaciousness


when youre describing like a deeper nonduality is the absence of layer one


i guess sort of like a flowing


nondual


okay unprovoked happiness does happen to be the method that is most reliable for getting finders to location four


because when i focus on the qualities of space i mainly sense fullness and a substance like presence