probably youre already doing all of that intuitively it would be my guess and then the other thing is there was you mentioned temporary glimpses when deeper of a shift of your identity into spaciousness


layer three that really resonates


felt like it was something that i was observing or looking at now im being a little bit i dont know it just feels yeah im sort of you know im sort of sort of losing a little bit but yeah so maybe theres a bit more separation again now like its something im observing


silence


if the only reason youre doubting it is because it was temporary then it probably just was a temporary experience of location for um its its all you know youre not saying anything that sounds vague or uncertain theres no sense of the divine a sense of self no sense of agency no emotion including no love


experience of awareness becoming aware of itself


happening within spaciousness or emptiness i guess


emptiness


bubble of my being it feels in a way more pleasant


nondual


sense of union with the divine


how there is this experience as i go a little bit deeper how things are sort of like like they are frozen you know like in in toys i think thats the movie theyre the toys are all alive but then the kid looks at them they are like they are not moving so it sort of feels like that like everything is alive but its not moving because im looking at it and so as soon as i stop looking at it it will you know things will start moving


beingness


fullness as a is an attribute of layer three and so you know focusing on sort of a core attribute of layer three is no guarantee that its going to just continue to sort of deepen you further into layer three to the point where that will fall away the safest thing to sort of focus on is a sense of silence or stillness whichever one of those is most relevant to you and that in your experience is sort of thats the thread that sort of runs you know to the deepest point in this particular you know sequence um and so if i were to focus on anything it would probably be um you know to focus on that the other thing that i would focus on is trying to perceive whats on the other side of that boundary


was almost a trigger


location six feels as flat as location five


more towards positive emotion than location 1


divine or the panpsychist thing


freedom


emotional strength and  or stickiness of narrativeself related thoughts


normal person just talking in normal way and then can function very well


path of freedom


can totally happen um and when youre deep in that sense of fullness and presence does it feel like you are the presence you are awareness


its really the broadest location of all of them in terms of the different range of experiences that can show up in it


thats when its sort of more bubbly um more vibrant


so thats thats all the qualities of location three there that fell away along with agency and any sense of self


encased in gelatin


just kind of just is its it has a sense of awareness like it knows everything its theres nothing that can its outside of time and space and yet okay its in everything it sees everything it knows everything it theres nothing where it isnt yeah it doesnt fit thats why it doesnt feel like a container to me when i look at that way


rapid fluidity


layer three standpoint


like its holding everything like everythings appearing in it i cant see the edges of it though its a bit its a bit like um guess the ocean would be a good metaphor mean although you kind of he know that the ocean has limits you cant see them but i dont i dont know theres any limits to this because i cant see them and i dont you dont have that reference point to know theres any limits to it so i suppose im probably not using the word container correctly


experience of that merger


and it sounds to me like its a classic case of going to layer two


and thats why you know i understand that this is a very challenging place to be at and you know its its a big its its a big decision and it takes a lot of dedication and what i you know i have in general as a person i have a very deep drive to do some certain things like a strong really deeply rooted sense of purpose that that im not sure where its coming from i really have ive really dived into it and felt into it and done a lot of inner work and it doesnt seem to be coming from like neurosis or that kind of thing at least not anymore so for this stage of my life and for this point i feel like theres some things i need to do in the world build and whatever and and so for this stage it would be really nice i mean if you ask me three three years ago when i did a founders course and i would have said location three thats thats what i would like to be at


so that field of existence relates to sort of deeper aspects of layer three


locations 1


its a it was a distinct shift and processing that can recall and before the accident you know ive never felt like i belonged here ive never really felt human but dont know why i dont feel human theres theres no hard data to tell me that thats true or again that might be a psychotic episode i have no idea but i do remember right before the accident before the actual moment of physical impact something lifted shifted changed so dramatically that i realize that up until that point had been using the body in a very different way


and then it seems like then my awareness is able to just be aware of whats whats there and notice details and all that kind of stuff


even in location one


nonduality


less personal drama


im not in fundamental wellbeing


by sinking into the qualities of layer three


but the vibrancy and the richness and the aliveness and fullness and all of that are qualities of layer three those really fall away layer four


stillness and silence


fundamental wellbeing


if your concern is im never im not going to be able to run an event if i cant be fluid to layer one then it s great that youve developed the fluidity to layer one


fullness of presence


divine


joy


describe a sense of the divine with that one


like moving fluid moving aliveness


just that your your descriptions of location three layer three and of deepening into the the divine and into the celestial beyond that or through that in that direction and the devotion and reverence and all that its its extraordinarily well put into words amazing and its i recognize it you know its its ive never heard someone else put it into words like that and it was just phenomenal to read you know so cool um wow and yeah i agree with the same of what i used to call the divine turned out to be the celestial that deeper you know its its very difficult to define it but yes like the the divine that is initially experienced in location three if it shows up that way that people are referring to is more like a construct than you know as as that falls away with the celestial orientation there is this way more i dont know what to do what lens to use at this fine but much more foundational and deep and profound vast kind of infinite sense of divinity


and even the reintroduction of emotions for some


mind always wants more freedom


if these traditions are even partially aware of location 4 and realize the improvement in personal wellbeing it 127dr jeffery a martincan bring why isnt location 4 a higherpriority goal


conditioning


when living momenttomoment in a place of fundamental wellbeing anything that disturbs it however minor is difficult to miss


sometimes emptiness


path of humanity


i think you have a lot more you can trust your deeper intuitions as you referred to them if you can if you can resist the temptation or the inclination to doubt everything it would help you deepen because the thing that s doubting it is layer one


how deep you might be in layer three


the looker or  seer self and what is being seen whats outside of the self


produces any potential cognitive dissonance around that is the direct experiences that unfold


and also layer three


dominant emotion that felt like a mixture of


suffering the bit that remains looms large


freedom


that makes more sense all right so yeah its a trigger to awareness for some reason yeah okay so it is awareness related methods that youre in good shape there you know thats the majority of people slight majority i mean not like 70 of people or something but yeah okay so thats great um thats thats a good sign that those work for you because those are those are good for especially progression through layer two


only location one layer two seemed to get a graphic and the bird looks a little confused


could kind of find this vibrating quality to perception


location three or whatever


i actually it was actually this past so i started the 45 days course in january and and it took me until early august actually to where i actually diagnosed myself as okay im actually at that point fundamental wellbeing


location 1


nondual frame of experience


so spending a lot of time trying to thinking that youre going to decondition something like that while youre in layer one and that thats going to be like the key to moving you forward in fundamental wellbeing is more or less just a really good way to waste a lot of time


um but certainly very much in the direction of location three so something that you could use to sink back into and bias your system in the direction of location three


by the time youre in location four you cant feel anything obviously by location four and later it would just be some sensation in the body if you can feel anything like very subtle sense of something which is hard to pick up but you can still detect it if its deep enough


emptiness


like glimpsing into layer four by doing like unprovoked happiness but and then the fact that it didnt last too long which is thats indicative of just the layer four but not location four thing


the arms are much better thats that thats scared the shit out of everyone around me and i only had like an afternoon of being concerned and then it just went away and i was right back into that was probably the last time i was in layer one


impersonal or divine compassion joy and


continue to deepen into fundamental wellbeing


location 3


spaciousness


bit later i might notice the stillness


nonduality


fullness


sense of everything just arising and all sort of one thing including you visually auditorily you know other ways as well but those are the those are the ones that people most often have a differentiation around


absolutely okay so location eight


or location three


theres no sense of self theres no sense of self that is would you say that nothing exists um no not not not an eye not not an identity uh that that this just is whatever that was moved away


layer one


been an issue around human relationships is that i dont have enough of a personal kind of love to satisfy the people in my life who would like it to be more personal


nondual way


emptiness


vast space


look for and find the sense that at the deepest


location two at a period in your life where there were more ups and downs


it seemed like location one was most fitting


location three youre kind of changing your system little by little every day and lesters love might have been out of phase with you before your last sinking in


its more about spatial spaciousness than emptiness


spaciousness


certain qualities of layer two


loneliness


one thing that i think to pay attention to is when you are triggered next does it seem like will it seem like in that moment that if youre introspecting that theres been a shift of identity


layer one is interesting because theres like the active thought with the words the narrative in the head


generically impersonal love


layer three is more like it feels like its this you know field of presence thats still and pervades everything infuses everything um rather than necessarily being the things you can get that type of experience but it certainly doesnt feel like its around things or its containing them it feels you know very clearly like its sort of yeah pervading everything


to involve consistent changes toward this


because were talking talking about earlier about this peripheral and can be like a big peripheral sometimes where its where its a sense of almost like world mind body like a whole or universe mind body


personal definition of compassion


fullness


location 2


love compassion you know joy those were such a live motions


sense of the divine


so spaciousness and stuff layer too


nondual


its harder to get distance from feelings from from emotions from thoughts and that layer two


you know youre being triggered down or it could be down to layer two


the western abrahamic traditions like christianity and islam have mystical traditions that generally gravitate towards location 3


self


felt nice i was kind of surprised surprised at that point


with the peaceful


can totally happen um and when youre deep in that sense of fullness and presence does it feel like you are the presence you are awareness


disassembled


stillness and silence


emotion


the freedom at location four


shifted to that deeper


my favorite definition of illusion is that its something real that appears to be something else other than what it is so its real smoke and mirrors that the magician uses to create the illusion that they just saw the woman in half you know so so thats kind of interesting perspective on it


sort of a social aspect of your life very important prior to fundamental well being


but with positive emotion rather than neutral


sense of the divine


what was covered in location 1around goals a present moment focus feeling complete or whole relationship to stories psychological triggers a sense of self that extends beyond the body personality changes or lack thereof perception of physical pain humor goals and paradoxesshould largely be seen as holding true for later locations unless it is specifically commented upon


so you cant stay in location two but youre not able to access the depth of a layout to possibly and certainly layer three that youre able to with your eyes closed


and we dont know its just one quick observation you know in one moment um so see if you can sink more deeply into the stillness


fullness


to layer one function


layer three of location four you know as you experience them there you know with that amazing richness and because its emotional the richness is emotional


and then the mind comes in with resistance at that point or deepening in that direction just kind of trying to keep your identity somewhat centered around layer one


frequently reported significant difficulty


i just am or you know whatever people however they kind of put words to that but youre describing it as well the self is just gone because your reference point for the term self is your ordinary sense of kind of individual or personal self at layer one


god


then youll be viewing layer three more


spaciousness


but basically you just kind of remember it you know or get to it however you can sometimes its just a relaxation in the system sometimes its an intense focus on maybe something like divinity that eventually just pulls one over into something you can sink into


i was trying to get rid of this boundary and uh i think i sort of achieved it for a while and i had this experience of like flatness extending from my face kind of vertically i guess thats just it and there was no boundary when i try to explore so i thought maybe i did it


flat


i didnt really experience it much at all it did talk a lot last year and i had no idea what it was like and in that course we experienced that and it was really nice


theres more silence in my system in location two


terms of divine


emptiness


layer three


level everything was okay


increase in intensity through location 8


theres spaciousness at another point theres the body at another point


felt like it was something that i was observing or looking at now im being a little bit i dont know it just feels yeah im sort of you know im sort of sort of losing a little bit but yeah so maybe theres a bit more separation again now like its something im observing


layer one from a layer one standpoint


imagination or if its really full


i cant take it like my system cant tolerate it at this point and so ive in recent meditations i try and put attention on that because its great it feels wonderful right


didnt hang out with other kids you know didnt one of her one of her teachers was telling me that people would come up and try to talk to her and high school or whatever and she would just stare at them


by injecting this into the scenarios where those other habits exist thats one of the things that the interruption exercise and thriving is designed to do right its designed to sort of you know randomly force you to inject fundamental wellbeing into parts of your day where youre not doing it and so thats maybe another exercise for you to consider


and i can if i want to i can play with layer one more be more active with


nondual


so were going to start on the 29th going into layer two


not too aware of other things and and yeah the thoughts also carry a different nature again this happened again after like ten 15 years ago after i read eckhart tolles book the power of now and then after a few years something changed also in how my thoughts were it changed from being a narrative self inside myself to being very subtle thoughts that are quicker and this actually bothered me a lot during my meditation retreats and so on because i found it harder to kind of deal with the mind because thoughts could just come up really rapid pace it still happens and doesnt feel the thoughts have kind of not much substance to it and it feels like a different quality and i would say i couldnt even call it like inspiration it just emerges disappears relevant to to what im doing


so i can feel for example centreless untouchable and presence i do not feel joy but i can i can feel a lot of stillness


if you have a sense of whether or not you want path of freedom or path of humanity


theres been a lot of stillness and almost since even very early on when i asked you about fullness i started to be a stillness that came on almost like the stillness was providing you access to introspect on the fullness or something like that


deconditioning


another big thing that ive noticed that made me think that its probably location too is where its just its really deep sense of peace that that that often comes and stays for a while that wasnt there before in location one


a detectable change in the persons sense of humor


viewing and accessing layer one with just you know some subtle differences and preferences between those in terms of the lives


fullness


three nonduality again at location four


aliveness


wellbeing is experienced that previously could not have been imagined regardless of how happy they were previously


unusual perceptual effects


wellbeing


sense of emptiness


so i think you are getting youre at least getting a shift into the sort of combination of spacious emptiness and you know fullness and presence type of thing


by the time youre in location four you cant feel anything obviously by location four and later it would just be some sensation in the body if you can feel anything like very subtle sense of something which is hard to pick up but you can still detect it if its deep enough


it sounds like its a little bit of a mix of each that you can get to the more spaciousness while still remaining in location one


so i guess i had thought fluid location five with also knowing how to hang out in the charmed life place for a bit


there is one significant glitch that can occur a temporary phase may be experienced when approval is virtually unimportant


you know everybodys terrified of location one theyre horrified that theyre going to get stuck there or you know whatever else


emptiness


comfort and the fullness


if youve been in fundamental wellbeing since i think youre you might have said 2017 or somewhere around there


peace and silence


that fear communicates to your system about fluidity in general right its like oh fluidity can be bad


mentally quieter


but these other ones not quite you know like in location two it says like increasingly positive emotion you know that sort of thing doesnt feel like thats really part of the experience


nonduality


fullness


i think i probably zoom in a little bit too far or zoom in back down to like layer one


and you the mind mental activity some personal sense of self that comes with that so so thats cool definitely you know youve identified that your your attention by default is you know focused to some extent at least on layer one


theres no love version of location for


it might be a deeper a deeper experience of layer three and location two where its all the divine and your individual sense of self has further fallen away um because if there was just from the way you describe it you can correct me if im wrong but in location three you would feel like the self is dissolving into the divine um or sort of coming into union with it it wouldnt feel like it just gone and theres only the divine functioning through you


divine or a panpsychist sense


layer three is going to add so much more freedom


layer three is a sense and layer two


fundamental wellbeing kind of gets more and more boring in a way


you have to go to location three i think ive been there before and it is it seems really nice so uh but yeah guess thats the word in my mind just do that


flatness


when that reaction occurs and there is that contraction in some way inside you or whatever else


path of humanity


it feels pretty full to me


happy


fundamental wellbeing


the transition to layer four often will pull someone over to layer four


layer two more spacious more distance more space around thoughts and emotions type of thing um


aloneness


i have the general general idea of how that works but its exactly its with love


d say really location three especially after feeling that for a few days um really seeing where that can take me just feeling more alive as a human being


mainly joy


it transformed how things were perceived all of that right so imagine that was just the first glimpse of the first one of those sort of later locations it just gets more you know intense profound different however you want to say it from there right and so if youre staying at skimming the surface and maintaining the fluidity back and forth you know you only get so much of those benefits is one way to think about it


it freaked it literally freaked her out and so we had this conversation about this type of thing and so shes shes a christian for sure but not a location three christian you know shes a high sort of location you know layer three type of christian


nondual


sometimes if im in or doing awareness it can be just empty the idea of a container doesnt really i can kind of manufacture the idea of a container but even the container has something outside of it um and its not like its not like distinct for me so i could be doing a guy and like have experiences of both a container and no container but its almost like the container isnt complete containing everything its like almost if you imagine the universe is in a container and theres endless something outside of that


spacious


mindful


location three


so would it be accurate to say that when youre there your sense of what you are is that presence of fullness pervading everything


location 4


all vestiges of selfrelated thought were


the fullness and so on um what happens in both cases both with the fullness and when i reach the more of a peaceful emptiness is um theres still a sense of an underlying field again like the self


so i guess im bringing a little more layer one into it


correct decision or path to take when presented


its its still its that very nondual sense


joy is always my weak spot


and then you can start you know when we start the layer three session


silence is really big


ive always thought i was moving deeper into layer two


fluidity and the highly sensitive person high absorption you know sort of sense is what im


doesnt feel like it has an ending feels bigger than the house


very strong return to the body


so what about a sense of spaciousness or emptiness


so think of layer two as that sense of space spaciousness


just sitting and staring and nature for ever possibly you know hoping squirrels bring you nuts or something so you have something to eat while youre staring out


this includes experiences like felicity or frustration though we must be careful here


if its layer three then uh it feels it feels like if i go beneath the spaciousness


minds seemed much quieter


so layer one you know if your attention is centered there its going to be primarily focused on thoughts and emotion if theyre around


wanted to share it but it was just so so beautiful just everything shining with love i mean it was just so im im hoping thats going to be my hook into into location three and then i honestly would love because you know i would really love to be able to serve them all go everywhere but i do have to and thats really not advisable at this stage is it like in terms of making a living and and staying


maybe a sense of stillness or beingness if that makes sense


big distinction is often in the sense of whether or not there is a union or a merging or a dissolving into or a sameness or you know and and no difference from and i am sort of you know that presence that shows up you know you know to borrow your word from a minute ago channeling jesus you know you know is you know is is there a merger or a union with jesus


merging


but then at the same time the other theres like another perception oh that location to me is still a separate me and then that thing thats looking at that you can see that theres a greater sense of nonduality thats possible


the freedom at location four


spaciousness


and so for something like an aliveness that you feel in the room


fundamental wellbeing was a casual pursuit with a


guess its very interesting because the very act of me looking at it shifts what the perception of it mm if i if im just in it it doesnt really feel like its part of the field but if i step out of it maybe my system is slightly informed by deeper states so then it can it can just sense that sense of self that is there but when im in it i guess what im really in it where one is an active enough to really say oh there is that sense of self but so i dont feel it in the moment but i can still feel it when im investigating it or looking at it its like a more subtle sense of the entire experience is a sense of self because their deeper experiences that dont even have that element of that subtle self


i mean its just the simplicity of it i mean layer four whats so interesting about it the deeper one goes the simpler gets


when youre in location four you give yourself a little bit you know more likely access to path of freedom versus path of humanity


but what it suggests is that its possible that youre having shallower experiences of layer three that youre not recognizing as layer three or not paying attention to because its not the thick liquid um experience that was probably more powerful um because even that sense of presence getting heightened the sense of aliveness pervading the spaciousness is in the direction of layer three beginning to be experienced as simultaneous with layer two


stillness


kind of isolated experience of what sounds layer four


now after someone is more invested and sort of centered in layer three


spaciousness never really resonated even in jazz emptiness well just theres silence


even though their love for their partner is not personal they are so outwardly loving and caring that the person usually cannot tell it only becomes a problem if discussed and their partner cannot deal with the idea of it


location 5


up through that location layer one


the spaciousness


well those qualities that youre describing are more qualities of layer three um youre describing you know a quality of a live aware beingness or presence that pervades everything everywhere um within everything so thats thats very much a layer three type description


like just at that crossing point of layer two where theres still enough of association with layer one for it to react to the experience of layer two that youre having and kind of produce that negative reaction


so the reason i say mostly is because i have had deeper experiences of the nonduality so even the nonduality i feel now theres still because i have deeper experiences of it i dont know if probably deep deep location too because there was still a little agency or emotion or maybe just temporary elements of going further theres still my system just still sees that theres still that like within that nonduality theres still a duality


empty


spaciousness is coming i dont know how to describe it


a lower energy system as it comes into fundamental wellbeing more deeply can still seem like a heavy you know type of experience or whatever else what some people do including sanjay manchanda


yeah even the word space makes less sense its just like a well this is hard to describe but more of seeming like not knowing about space or distance or location or like putting this room in some context or this body in some context its just a less of that


although they may not be very good at remembering things


union


freedom


often have a noetic sense that everything is unfolding exactly as it should


communicating reality


charmed life


high degrees of fluidity its you know they are people who have reported celestial experiences


personal emotion


its kind of operating from


what im wondering about your description there is whether or not one couldnt describe that as still some spaciousness that youre rooted in in terms of maybe not as deep as other spaciousness that youre experiencing but it doesnt sound to me like youre you know very deeply embedded in thoughts and emotions


everything being fully loved


it seems pretty clear that im in location three layer three and its just theres just this strong overriding sense of joy and contentment


location 1


or get to layer three or location three thank you pardon and uh just to experience this sensation of joy and love connection with the divine um location four i i dont know i dont know about that just because i have a little boy and and i want to be able to be there and engage with him and feel something for him um but id like to see and id like to sink into the deeper deeper layers


um your system isnt necessarily recognizing that what youre experiencing is an entirely different quality of self um of what you are because its kind of like oh well selfs gone


thats a big difference to miss switching between those two types of things versus just getting to sort of that more subtle feeling of more individuated sense of self at layer one of location two


you dont have to fear location one you can leave access to duality as part of this


especially the ones that involve stories and that this can begin around location 2


as you might imagine the divine what one might associate with the divine but without necessarily it feeling divine in nature people who get that panpsychist version of location three


divine


fullness


if you go through location four and dont deepen which means you dont get really isolated in layer four that makes it more likely youd be on the path of humanity


discomfort


creation reality the dream whatever is the stuff of the spaciousness is the stuff of the emptiness is the stuff of the spacious emptiness


merging feeling


location three its like they sink more into some aspect of the qualities that hold them in location three at at layer three you know and they dont quite get to you know the the progression from layer four and then location four kind of standpoint


so they dont have any fluctuation of emotion


layer three sort of presence thing then that would suggest that you are fluidly moving at least some of the time


its there and then i feel a sense of fullness really


the location four thing happened when i was aiming for location three


i had a message about something to do with my dad who died recently that was quite significant and yeah and i think i might be in location three right now


layer one in terms of your sense of self and your dominant perspective then there would be


compassion


peace and bliss


you can start with with layer two which youve already got great access to


like i often say if somebody has you know responsibility which is a corporate term for profit and loss responsibility sort of more financial responsibility for a firm or a division of a firm or something like that then probably location three


it appears as if the previous sense of self was nothing more than a story thats no longer relevant now the narrativeself and the way it colored the world both seem gone or at least significantly reduced


much lower energy pretty absent motivation um just kind of its i associate the emotionless with just drifting um but not in a distasteful way but just in a feel very downshifted um unmotivated um low energy just kind of a blob but not unpleasant


being beingness or presence or the divine


so that does sound like you know youre able to touch upon some aspects of layer three that begin to infuse the spaciousness of layer two having a very deep experience of layer two where you arent even getting that sense of a container like its already feeling more like a field


spaciousness


location 2


that sounds great okay so based on what i am hearing i would say that you absolutely have an experience of location to layer three cool im trying or not that also now whether or not you are and you know that already all right otherwise you would have had to skip this interview to be digging a trench somewhere to run some water lines you know because or youll never be running water lines without paying a few thousand dollars to get the thing fixed and then it breaks down two minutes later and costs you another couple thousand dollars or whatever right right um and so theres a but that doesnt preclude the possibility that some that you have fluidity over to you know location three layer three


location three combination layer one


and if you were in location three it would feel like youre in union with that presence but in a state of like increasing union like its just an ever deepening experience of you know coming into union or merger with with that presence of the divine


divine or of an all


bored


awareness become very thick and almost like a liquid


divinity


emotion


and you have location three i think the union experience um weve done you know weve spoken about it describing it if you havent experienced it of course its going to be something sort of hard to imagine


freedom


it sounds it all sounds very fundamental wellbeing but not necessarily celestially


i mean it is a thing to do it but one thing that you can do from a fundamental wellbeing standpoint is you can use your access to the other layers as a part of this process


if you the degree to which you want a lot of fluidity is more or less the degree to which youre willing to resist various gravities that show up at different points in fundamental wellbeing


the fullness does still feel like its here again um


aliveness


nondual


as you probably know are best of love and ascension um also unprovoked happiness but thats also good for location for


the idea of spaciousness or is there an analog in your system in terms of the idea of silence


fundamental wellbeing version where its like oh this is way better than all of these other stimuli


emotions


any form of nondual perception


them in


fullness


but then at the same time the other theres like another perception oh that location to me is still a separate me and then that thing thats looking at that you can see that theres a greater sense of nonduality thats possible


its possible so the term presence could you know people can very much use that for layer two that term is very generic in some ways definitely has the most resonance with layer three but layer two can be described that way and the way youre describing it you know it being everything and containing everything or everything being within it showing up within it is more a layer two type of description


i think this life purpose thing is one of the things that changed after going to location four


location 3


to location 4 finders the words that come out of their mouth and the words that come from the person they are speaking with all seem to originate from the same source


personal emotion


location two


mystical experiences


location 2


this location and the sense of union that accompanies it feels amazing and it is viewed as the pinnacle of spiritual or religious experience in many traditions


m going through all this is like in my mind to get me there is all is god god is everywhere all is love love is everywhere there is only this right so thats my my mental loop to try to get me there and get me into feeling into that space um uh and then so thats three three and two three its more of taking the spaciousness of layer two and then feeling into the presence that shows up into layer two and not quite filling the space wouldnt be quite accurate but shifting the space from feeling the emptiness to feeling the presence


spaciousness


cosmos appears or its just that eternal existence


location to layer three the charmed life kind of thing is to have things come to you if that can be used as a phrase or at least using the agency to kind of make that happen


infinite emptiness or spaciousness and everything just shows up within it and disappears within it


emptiness


theres just absolutely no guarantee once you jump across that location five channel but you get the idea


i think that s probably important to recognize as a boost in wellbeing


yeah yeah i think so yeah


so when it comes into a cruelty kind of are damaging people that really riles me like of the things that can trigger me


i think im more prone to experiencing layer three


fullness with the presence


conditioning


layer two


and then when you realize your all of your attention is on layer one


fundamental wellbeing


divine quality


location 4 finders feeling more at ease in communicating across a wide variety of people the difference is one of degree


individualized portions of their self going away


they might have missed enough work that curious coworkers came looking for them found them passed out on their living room floor and called an ambulance


fullness


involved such a remarkably positive single metaemotion that the absence of emotion


it will still probably have you centered and primarily looking from location one


yeah it was when my dad died yeah yeah and you know i was like crying but i was like well this is just love so this is okay i wouldnt say this is i want it to stop yeah


awareness field like presence stillness the vibrancy so theres just the fullness of course so


see what that has to to reveal to you um and what that can sort of contribute to your system and its flexibility and the perspective that it gives and then you can move on to location three


impersonal love sense merging


youre experiencing layer one


subjective sense that you are the thinker and you are the agent of the thoughts rather than what youre probably experiencing


path of humanity


so the love side felt a little the love facet sort of felt a little blocked did it feel like it was it feel like all of these these things were sort of present as one unified kind of meta emotion at one time with just different facets forward like a joy facet forward at some times a love facet forward at another time


sense of the divine


everything that theyve ever heard or read or seen or whatever its all been about union with the divine or union with god or union with whatever deity or whatever


emptiness


stronger emotional triggers such as those involving close family can persist longer


the all pervading aliveness


and you can use that period to work on exploring and deepening into layer three where youre already at but you could also start seeing if you can develop some fluidity or access to layer three


location three on a holiday for a week with your kids


personal love there in location too


like no sound at all


that that aloneness quality that seems to come up sometimes in association with layer two


emptiness or the flatness and the spaciousness


and it all sounds like location four to me


you cant find any emotions you cant find a sense of agency


reality was perceived as


aliveness


spacious


they are also more likely to be able to manipulate the overall process by effecting whats happening at current or arising layers this was typically possible at location 1


when we used words for it before we went to numbers we used awareness we called it the awareness layer


like when i met when i meditate or if i do someone noting im always saying im being being a lot


it just sounds like its in the direction of fundamental well being type of stuff to me


a shallow location to with access to layer one


so this and i think most christians have a more temporary experience of that theyre not as rooted in to location two layer three and you know their prayers occasionally work i think when they work theyre closer sort of in that type of direction or whatever and so you can you can maintain fluidity use location to layer three like that and not you know not have to lock that in for any period of time


depression participants reported that even


i had another experience when i was doing the 45 days course where i was less functional at work none of you can throw some light on this i i seem to get caught in not being able to think actually which is a bit of a problem because you know as a therapist you do need to plan the session you need to bring the session to a conclusion you need to strategize you need to be thinking about what the client needs and all i could do was respond to what they just said for the whole session


depending upon their individual capability in this area finders may be able to choose to observe the orienting response feel the physiological sensation or first inklings of thought that they know will soon bring anger and consciously note it


really just the benefits of what can be reconditioned stuff that i i guess really just blacked out or maybe just lives in in that location three zone that just right now because even right now i can feel what its sort of this slight deadness like its like just blacked out but in location three if it would come up it wouldnt have to be blocked like even the block itself of location two seems to be some sort of i dont know the thing that ive put in or some shield some protective thing that but it feels very subtle or it feels like its literally infused with the actual feeling of vocation to layer three but being in three three that that feeling itself was like i dont really need that necessarily


its a deeper quality of layer three that you were you were experiencing where it really can feel deathless eternal untouchable no sense of an individual self youre deep in it so theres nothing to die its obviously extraordinarily present at that point and


and location two could go back and forth


sense of an all pervading presence


both empty and full


nondual


you know there are other side benefits you know its but one of the benefits of that system is the authority associated with it you know having someone say okay now this and feeling a sense in the system very much like a christian does and turning something over to jesus or turning something over to christ or something like that right so its up to you to do that in this case and youve seen this a million times and people who have come to you you know hoping to transition to fundamental wellbeing theyve got to give permission to give up their old life


sense of like holiness


lot of divinity going


sense of freedom


agency


shift into layer three as a sense of what you are and into the fullness


yeah like yeah after the first after the transition to like location one


conditioning


the layer three stuff seems a lot less accessible than the layer two triggers


spaciousness sounds more accessible than emptiness


so spaciousness is probably the most accessible thing aside from silence


cant have the look or see without without going into the mind


all of that is is much more likely to show up with layer three than it wouldnt be


nondual perception


i want to say infinite completeness


senseless


empty


love and compassion


but then because you didnt really lock it in you can you know read and absorb other materials when you really dive into something like youre diving into these materials rather than just casually skimming a book on it or something you know it can move you more in the direction of different experiences weve seen this a lot it happens with people who are freshly in fundamental wellbeing who dont have a lot of who havent watched a lot of spiritual videos or read a lot of books from you know about fundamental wellbeing or whatever to them


a feeling that you are the thinker im not sure whether what youre describing is really shifting your identity or whether youre just shifting the focus of your attention to be you know almost entirely occupied with thought or with you know speaking personality aspects and so on so that shift that were looking for if its you know true fluidity to layer one that would mean not only is your attention occupied with the contents of layer one but also the sense of self has moved into layer one like you are the personality you are the thinker you are the one speaking you know generating those


and your spiritual system happens to end at a certain point of layer three in location two


i think it s and i think it s more because i feel more connected to other people as well


without that sense of you know a looker and all of that its and self behind the eyes and all of that its you know its going to be location too so we know were in location two which is what i would expect


no agency


the body can can relax and and the blocks can can relax as well and a feeling of of of being of being connected to my environment feeling that around me and through me and more through through through the center of the of the of the heart area and feeling like it it is looking back at me and and yeah feeling a sense of of emptiness or loneliness or loneliness but but then it can change and it feels quite quite full and and that arises also within within the center of my heart or my space when my heart is and if i sort of feel feel feel into my heart theres a sense of sacredness or our maternal beingness there like a like a feeling of of of purity of purity of timelessness like like a sense of a sense of perfection um expression or play and um yeah sort of so thats when i do the exercises where i stop and look and thats what i tend to find but i guess sort of in my day to day life i feel as though me and i still have i still feel like im a self ive got a body but but i can just take a moment and i can i can feel that spaciousness around me and and often like ill work quite a lot so often ill be quite tired and i do that energy that really changes i feel much more energized and relaxed when i do that


emptiness


to me when i see luminosity its not so much when with with physical eyes if that makes sense its more like a seeing within mhm


god


not too aware of other things and and yeah the thoughts also carry a different nature again this happened again after like ten 15 years ago after i read eckhart tolles book the power of now and then after a few years something changed also in how my thoughts were it changed from being a narrative self inside myself to being very subtle thoughts that are quicker and this actually bothered me a lot during my meditation retreats and so on because i found it harder to kind of deal with the mind because thoughts could just come up really rapid pace it still happens and doesnt feel the thoughts have kind of not much substance to it and it feels like a different quality and i would say i couldnt even call it like inspiration it just emerges disappears relevant to to what im doing


so like i tend to function at location one in the mind i think but but with the exercise that we did with the introspection exercise um i could sort of feel space around my body um and and or behind my body really like i guess ive got it written down here some of the notes i took um so im feeling of of existing beyond my body um especially the back of my body like the back of my body doesnt exist and this can change so it feels like my my body doesnt exist um can feel like the body this way and and our space im moving through the world


but was that experience that you have you know of the divine presence that you have in location two


path of freedom


it knows that its centered in your head its again part of your individualized sense of self so yeah so thats location two


youve got another direction you can use to sink into nonduality


fourno self


location one layer two right now because im feeling that im seeing from the body um but at the same time its like completely different from before because im like the peace and the stillness


the silence and stillness stuff that you talk about that runs through everything which it should im just talking about sort of the more distinctive qualities so spaciousness and then emptiness


and then the mind comes in with resistance at that point or deepening in that direction just kind of trying to keep your identity somewhat centered around layer one


finders experiencing this can seem atypically antisocial and rude during this period


i think thats maybe why layer two seems less familiar


we want to think about it that i think part of it is always with someone that we have to you know really come to grips with that really give our systems permission for that really communicate that were okay with that youve spent a long time now telling your system this is what i want experience wise something like this it doesnt have to be exactly like this im open to some variation but you know within these boundaries right and now youre more or less saying something very different than that to go to location four layer four and location three


location 3