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{"text":"peace and bliss","label":1,"label_text":"loc1lay2"}
{"text":"i think for me this it feels very natural so the and i yeah i got feedback as well that that that people when when i feel this this inner radiation so when i feel this this energy of this love inside that people notice that around me as well so feedback that they see and feel that so and this is a reason as well why i would like to go to feel more of that because i want to work as well more with as part of my job with patients and clients where it s important to connect to them","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"cannot imagine ever being able to believe that there is such a thing as agency with what you were saying i imagine you feel the same way when youre in location four","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"because were talking talking about earlier about this peripheral and can be like a big peripheral sometimes where its where its a sense of almost like world mind body like a whole or universe mind body","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"she basically just meditated all the time","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"what you what youre describing by stepping back may be placing more attention on the layer two qualities that are also in your experience or it might be some shift in terms of where your sense of self is centered","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"it sounds to me more like youve got some space youve got some distance from thoughts and emotions and","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"location one of layer two","label":1,"label_text":"loc1lay2"}
{"text":"so again its a sense of its a sense of wellbeing in a way and it feels kind of blissful in a way like just comfortable sense of fullness and energy and this kind of sense of in appreciation tenderness that hard to really put a put words to it","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"no panpsychist sense","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"but if not like the usual like in my daily life its more like layer one","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"nonduality pointers","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"no divinity","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"this thing is almost analogous to effective prayer when used in temporary ways and so its not even a situation necessarily where one would have to go to stay there for six months or some period of time it can its i think its very i think its probably what most people are referring to as effective really hyper effective prayer you know people that get people that really get to an experience like i think my mom is probably there for instance she really believes that like her prayers are always answered and occasionally one doesnt come true and it kind of freaks her out like you know maybe her relationship with god is having some issues or something like that right","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"emptiness or spaciousness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"and so the more you experience that in the context of layer two just as you go throughout your life the more you know youre sort of communicating you know lets drive the car half on the curb half on the road kind of thing and so as you go through your day to day life its probably going to remain fairly well rooted in location and location to layer two with that sort of additional stillness being accessible that you can put your attention on","label":5,"label_text":"loc2lay2"}
{"text":"so the relocation to layer three um it would feel like that presence is pervading everything and you are it or you are a part of it youre inseparable from it um it is what you are essentially um will be a nondual experience of the divine","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"so in layer two i dont have any positive nor negative emotion is like very neutral","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"all pervading presence","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"emptiness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"is there still the fullness and are you still the fullness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"union","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"what about a sense of being in union with something either the divine or you know like an all conscious presence of sorts but not being one with it not being it right yeah but being you know sort of increasingly merging in with it","label":9,"label_text":"loc3lay2"}
{"text":"so it sounds like at some point in your process of deepening youve actually shifted to location two","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"emptiness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"agency they reported that they did not feel","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"and the messages that people stand to share all connect to what youre experiencing maybe in an inchoate way so that that kind of because thats a transpersonal connection and that seems to me to be related to layer two and layer three or im sorry location three","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"you can get out of it and then you can move on to to the location three stuff and if you feel you know youre done with it you know after a few days or youve got enough access to it that if conditioning arises you can you know sink into it and use it to whatever extent you want to then you know move on whenever you want to","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"its very different than layer four location four layer four type of stuff which is more freedom","label":15,"label_text":"loc4lay4"}
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{"text":"sense of fullness and presence","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":" but there can be a sense of that also without the medicine like this is my this is my universe view so this is my universe view and there are a whole lot of other universe views that im overlapping with so i feel a bit like a venn diagram where were creating some sort of joint reality the there can be a kind of a sense like that so i dont know whether thats more location to layer to sorry","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"finders typically notice that they are no longer willing to make the same degree of sacrifice to achieve these types of goals this is also true for finders who are climbing the organizational ladder at work each step up that was considered so critical in providing further credibility and status to their narrativeself becomes less important this does not mean their performance at work suffers finders often feel that it significantly improvesby the later portions of location","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"like its holding everything like everythings appearing in it i cant see the edges of it though its a bit its a bit like um guess the ocean would be a good metaphor mean although you kind of he know that the ocean has limits you cant see them but i dont i dont know theres any limits to this because i cant see them and i dont you dont have that reference point to know theres any limits to it so i suppose im probably not using the word container correctly","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"so theres a fairly rapid and high amount of fluidity but we dont yet know if its actually fluidity or if youre viewing different layers from one","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"and maybe the way to get at that a little bit more is to go on to what happens when you do actually sink in and when you have the thing in your sternum in the center of your chest or whatever basically happening that that sense of a void i mean a void is one of those things that you hear you know thats a term thats very strongly associated with layer two and certainly especially at a nondual type of location like location two","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"and even i even hesitate to say me but theres definitely a space between the trigger and whatever is reacting i would say the spaciousness between it","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"location one layer two right now because im feeling that im seeing from the body um but at the same time its like completely different from before because im like the peace and the stillness","label":1,"label_text":"loc1lay2"}
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{"text":"path of humanity","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
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{"text":"if youve just got some patterns that unwind as a function of deconditioning and what returns whether there is a joy some sort of intense joy you know underneath all of that or whatnot","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"do not report feeling any divinity at all","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"allpervading consciousness","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"stillness for you is a good way of accessing layer three","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"layer one you can get a feel for is this a useful thing or would i prefer to have you know access to something like layer one from somewhere else whether a more awareness","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
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{"text":"its kind of an evolved feeling you know kind of like location threes feeling of the joy but initially it was nothing it didnt feel anything it just totally perplexing whats going on","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"from a purely nondual sense and location","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"i think the emptiness is a different one","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"say even more about sameness i guess i mean right away i guess i relate more to the union merger than than the the sameness there still seems to be fully full ability to discriminate differences and distinctions and the uniqueness of the the table lamp versus me","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"ability to report on the unfolding","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"location four feels a little bit like you know get thee behind me satan","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"youd have that very concrete sense of a looker and seer and self kind of localized in the head","label":22,"label_text":"nfw"}
{"text":"so its not like spacious emptiness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"deconditioned neutral emotional relatively emotionally neutral or whatever kind of deeper layer one type experience","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"happy to be aliveness kind of a that","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"layer one in terms of your sense of self and your dominant perspective then there would be","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"it makes sense that lets say what you mentioned around food and as recognizable feel to it id almost say but again right now it doesnt seem to me like in in the celestial like more the inbetween and but still eat meat but im quite picky to the feel of it and and but the same with anything actually so in that case like that i recognize what you say and there is a sex drive but and how can i describe that its like a little bit with like with thoughts right now like um my testosterone levels are normal and i can see that doing things in my body but its like this this distance i can see things happening moving in the body but its not me if that makes any sense","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"divine","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"including the inability to recall scheduled events that are not regular and ongoing","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
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{"text":"god or consciousness","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"can be very subtle","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"space this you know everything is beautiful i felt more connected to the word love or loving as a concept and there was this you know beautiful soft rounded creative fertile quality to the to the energy thats really pleasant","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"location 3 finders sense that things are fundamentally okay is not only almost always in the foreground but has been turbocharged","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"actually location four type perception","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"location two because my system shifted and i was being the the space spacious emptiness um without without being the body anymore","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"when you access layer one when youre triggered","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"theres this awareness this aliveness which is the sort of bedrock of experience that isnt located","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"okay at least location six then you describe things like feeling like it s just the universe or existence that s looking out of the eyes or experiencing itself so that s something that people can say at location seven but it s definitely a very accurate description of location eight can be nine","label":16,"label_text":"loc5+"}
{"text":"location two is a sense","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
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{"text":"might say aliveness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"and we still oftentimes shorthand that were trying to train ourselves not to so that well get better at using the labels publicly when were not thinking about it but we still internally will often use you know those old labels and stuff like that so yeah theres a lot of what looks like you know layer three","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"then initially it was like dismissed that was reflecting","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"an emptiness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"its like things are appearing in it its like its like the water in the pool but without the the edges of the pool the waters just there","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"layer four experience","label":7,"label_text":"loc2lay4"}
{"text":"socially acceptable thing to do","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"that on a deep level","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"i chose to be here right i did the zoom thing i showed up i mean i could have made a choice not to be here i would call that agency","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
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{"text":"i would i would love to experience that freedom and to be able to bring that back as an overlay on everything else im experiencing so i definitely want to try to experience location four i think it would be really helpful and im im all confused about fluid versus integrated","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"um most people dont really retain fluidity to location one but it does happen","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"love","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"um of course if youre fully in layer two where youre sensing that all containing awareness and you are that they wouldnt be a sense of something to be alone","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"and then i was thinking maybe my layer one","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
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{"text":"location 2 also still experience a mix of emotions","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
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{"text":"theres not a lot of movement around or anything like that you know its natural it seems like a natural form of fundamental wellbeing","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"its harder to get distance from feelings from from emotions from thoughts and that layer two","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"i hear you thats whats great about these exercises um prior to fundamental well being","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"emptiness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"experience of senselessness might","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"more purely fundamental wellbeing type","label":22,"label_text":"nfw"}
{"text":"when i do think in i spend more time focusing on the fact that there is space and that something is further away rather than focusing on the space","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"presence which some love","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"sense of union","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"fullness have a quality of beingness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"youve got the spaciousness in layer two which is a very different experience sense of spaciousness or emptiness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"layer two which is really you know the that is the classical endpoint for so many systems and traditions that is identifying as the you know spacious empty presence of awareness um and feeling that you are that and are untouched by all experience and everything you describe is is really that kind of classical enlightenment in many systems","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"in some aspects of it its individual and some aspects of these locations we could have very granular you know type of changes we find its almost impossible to communicate those to people you know that it just sounds like a smear and so we cluster things at the at the boundary of what is a smear able sounding thing for the most part yeah yeah and so thats what allows me to listen to an experience like yours and think you know dont think that was so much a location three experience probably as maybe something more in location two layer three yeah all right","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"if you were at layer three before that or something","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"the space size of the spaciousness so that in a silence comes first","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
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{"text":"and then maybe if you get very strongly triggered it can pull you down to layer one but it sounds like you are relatively capable","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"for example if this if i forget to pay attention i might go with the feeling and thoughts for for some time but but once i pay attention i can quickly go back to later two so","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"like if it sucked then id get out of it in fact it can lead to discomfort because enough time passes and deadline pressure builds and people want my attention for things and","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"and when theres that increased activity its kind of covariate with all of that social stuff right and so theres not a desire to you know theres a desire to not have people around because they dont want the individualized sense of self to trigger and all of the emotional stuff around it and it sort of in a way drags them in the wrong direction from a fundamental wellbeing standpoint now conversely if youve been in it since childhood what weve seen are indications that these these same brain structures that develop an individualized sense of self and ordinary people actually develop a non individualized sense of self and a more fundamental wellbeing oriented sense of self right so they can actually be more active just like they would be and someone whos in fundamental wellbeing but that activity is actually you know varied with fundamental wellbeing itself and if you then suppress that activity in some point either with neurofeedback or with brain stimulation or something like that it actually drives them into an individualized sense of self more and they hate it and so its the same brain region but being used completely different ways and we think its just what you know the brain accepted as sort of normal during that developmental process growing up and so youre in a very unique situation because of that you know theres not a huge amount of work thats been done on people that you know that more or less have been in fundamental wellbeing most or all of their life","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"when i do think in i spend more time focusing on the fact that there is space and that something is further away rather than focusing on the space","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"i think i think what im calling the emotional experience of pure peace would have more spaciousness","label":1,"label_text":"loc1lay2"}
{"text":" its it sounds like what youre experiencing there is is a is an awareness or an ability to perceive layer one and the sense of self that it generates from wherever youre at","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"so if you want to get back to location one just make sure you sort of intend to leave that bridge intact between location one and location two and not pull up the ladder","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"joy","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"more empathy","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"fullness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"in location two you obviously still have personal emotion in all likelihood or personal love","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"since ive been in fundamental wellbeing ive been communicating","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"i can see the broadband","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"m less concerned about you continuing to go deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper i dont have any issue with you playing around with that and you know i mean if anything it might be like maybe 10 to 20 of time on layer one methods","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"feeling full of joy","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"most of europe around the barrio in the room or if im at home theres you know theres theres trees in the garden i look outside the windows and and it goes a bit further yeah","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"deep sense that everything is perfect as it is","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"its like it used to be like 0 to 10 and now its like 0 to 1 and then the emotions are experienced very directly through the body like the anxiety when i feel it its i just feel it through the body like i would feel some something in my arms and my legs or in my head there is no resonance from the mind there is no like previously there would be a feedback loop like there is some thoughts going in there feeling the emotion and then the emotion is feeling the thoughts and there is this loop and now occasionally with strong triggers there is the mind loop going there is some sort of dialogue but there is no feedback like that","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"and i mean one thing to consider about the charmed life place thing is if you are more deconditioned","label":16,"label_text":"loc5+"}
{"text":"your love for your wife","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
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{"text":" i think thats maybe why layer two seems less familiar","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"because at that point its like the light cant turn towards it and light up inequalities and thats the only way you know that knowing has happened you know its always been relational even though its in union or it can be nondual but theres still that which knows like awareness that which lights up experience and when that entirely disappears into existence itself or into reality its only that unto itself which is entirely without those qualities","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"diminishing access to layer two","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
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{"text":"you have phenomenologically you have a more reports around fullness and stuff like that um","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"layer three is still and peaceful","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"the conditioning definitely seems to be something that is keeping you anchored to a much more shallow experience of layer one","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"location two layer three because a lot of the stuff there has been seen through and you know you sort of reconstituting parts of the individualized sense of self bringing agency back in","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"it cant be that there is no emotion just have to look harder it can be that there is no agency but there really isnt and they might not have been for quite a while","label":16,"label_text":"loc5+"}
{"text":"that divine love joy","label":10,"label_text":"loc3lay3"}
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{"text":"spaciousness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"the location four thing happened when i was aiming for location three","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
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{"text":"location one layer three for someone whose system is inclined in a certain way is a very strong bridge","label":2,"label_text":"loc1lay3"}
{"text":"it feels more like presence there is this sort of buzzing energy thats pretty much always happening its quite strong now um thats something that i associate with aliveness but it doesnt have the sort of intelligence that awareness has presence has uh so im not really sure thats one of the questions im not so yeah that buzzing did sort of i do associated with layer three","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"layer three experience","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"as far as you can","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"sense that there is this sort of space within which the universe shows up or you can feel that you are that space","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"but then because you didnt really lock it in you can you know read and absorb other materials when you really dive into something like youre diving into these materials rather than just casually skimming a book on it or something you know it can move you more in the direction of different experiences weve seen this a lot it happens with people who are freshly in fundamental wellbeing who dont have a lot of who havent watched a lot of spiritual videos or read a lot of books from you know about fundamental wellbeing or whatever to them","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"changes in the visual system seem to occur beginning around location 5","label":21,"label_text":"loc5"}
{"text":"location four is no personal emotion","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"help us sort of get a general context of where youre at and i think in some cases youre probably getting glimpses of layer three in location one","label":2,"label_text":"loc1lay3"}
{"text":"you still have of course the habits the habit pattern and your attention system that is pulling you back to layer one","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"theres a quietness theres a vividness to the visual field things look more beautiful theres more appreciation was kind of a question that kind of had for you is it feels like for me beauty is a little bit of a gateway when i notice and im not talking about something that has to be you know prototypically beautiful but just like the pot sitting in the kitchen that suddenly look beautiful and","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
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{"text":"they are the universe not a being who is confined to a body to them it makes perfect sense that if this is true they should be able to perceive as the entire universe","label":21,"label_text":"loc5"}
{"text":"and location two","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"location 5","label":16,"label_text":"loc5+"}
{"text":"your is getting a lot more freedom some of those types of things are bubbling up more than they would otherwise","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"emptiness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"kind of a sense of the divine","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"its not necessarily because its temporary and because the reference point is remaining at layer one um its kind of its not necessarily reflecting on and deepening into the sense of actually being that all pervading presence even though that is your subjective experience if i ask you about it yeah","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"like layer one kind of zooms in and out and theres definitely still some some habits and some theres some avoidance protocols that are in place because theres things you dont you know thoughts have been problematic for","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"emptiness aloneness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
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{"text":"i would say not divine um because i think i have a past experiences with divine that really the way i describe that is like almost something pulling me up from the sky like trying to pull me towards it like whether its outstretched hands or just that presence but this was not that this was im sort of on the same in the same field on the same level as everything and the love is sort of just all around","label":9,"label_text":"loc3lay2"}
{"text":"from layer 3 when one deepens into it","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"and often seemed more","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":" its very good its sort of distracting me and pulling me out of one of the physiological responses that seemed to go along with my own deeper dives into fundamental wellbeing at the time","label":25,"label_text":"tfwp"}
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{"text":"one deepens in fundamental wellbeing","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
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{"text":"annoyance or sort of impatience of the situation","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
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{"text":"unseen portions of their experience","label":16,"label_text":"loc5+"}
{"text":"i feel it pulls me out honestly fundamental wellbeing","label":22,"label_text":"nfw"}
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{"text":"so i was tripping over the the definition of i think its location three layer three around one singular emotion so the word emotion was tripping me because dont feel that as something localized to this form but theres a theres a tonal quality to that space or a i dont know how to maybe a frequency sensation","label":10,"label_text":"loc3lay3"}
{"text":"i didnt really experience it much at all it did talk a lot last year and i had no idea what it was like and in that course we experienced that and it was really nice","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"it will most likely just feel like a physiological sort of response that used to form into a more complex emotion if its very strong there might be some emotion that arises but it will probably feel like its arising as sort of part of or somehow transparent to that universal love joy compassion meta emotion","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"i can remain in layer three","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"between now and once upon a time prior to fundamental well being is that it was a zoom in all the time and thats where identity was always located","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"you can pause the location three stuff for a moment","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"how there is this experience as i go a little bit deeper how things are sort of like like they are frozen you know like in in toys i think thats the movie theyre the toys are all alive but then the kid looks at them they are like they are not moving so it sort of feels like that like everything is alive but its not moving because im looking at it and so as soon as i stop looking at it it will you know things will start moving","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
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{"text":"so like with location five we generally have you know a substantial persistent change in visual perception um and so that is something that can be a lot of different things um so for instance it could be um things never really being dark but just sort of being dim or it can be sort of everything or even just some things having sort of a self luminous kind of quality however one of the ways that we think about this is most of us associate light reflects off of stuff and as the sun goes down or as i turn out the lights in a room or whatever the objects get dark right and so that just seems baked into the belief systems of most people that they develop probably causally through observation as they grew up and so okay you turn on the light things get bright its because the light reflects off of the objects or whatever sun goes down things you know whatever right there seems to be a change that occurs with location five that gets beyond that where that causality is no longer sort of assumed as part of the meaning making if you will of the visual system and so what often happens is objects are not really viewed as having light reflected off them so much as just sort of being luminous in their own way almost being like their own generators of light and that has you know a wide range of effects for starters people dont necessarily realize how not dark darkness is darkness seems to be a lot more influenced by beliefs in many cases than it is by actual physiological perception","label":16,"label_text":"loc5+"}
{"text":"say even more about sameness i guess i mean right away i guess i relate more to the union merger than than the the sameness there still seems to be fully full ability to discriminate differences and distinctions and the uniqueness of the the table lamp versus me","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"spaciousness and the emptiness being accessible and then you know","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
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{"text":"so layer one you know if your attention is centered there its going to be primarily focused on thoughts and emotion if theyre around","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
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{"text":"have even less need for approval their loving and caring demeanor covers this up and provides plenty of approval from those around them","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"layer two or and i have had like particularly in gis like a feeling of fullness almost like something thats about to burst or an excited anticipation or potential","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
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{"text":"the mantra based meditation thats definitely in that direction and even unprovoked happiness can be in that direction","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
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{"text":"how to sort of break the gravity of layer three to have it be less of a to go beyond it being a sense you know for many people","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"that i can that i can relate to in my own experience that i mean just everything everything having that that underlying quality of reality that even i mean i sometimes joke you know even even thoughts are real neuronal firings in your brain you know they have reality but that reality is something more fundamental","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
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{"text":"i started noticing you know the the feelings of uh the feelings of in some of the stuff which ive talked about today but combination of piece and things are going to be okay","label":24,"label_text":"tfwc"}
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{"text":"and then i usually become aware of some some sort of tension somewhere in the body and then as i keep my attention it just starts releasing and thats and so that experience makes me think that its its assuming that this experience of relaxing releasing conditioning thats so so i think thats the conditioning that keeps me in that layer one and","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
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{"text":" the reason i pointed out is because i think because the self disappears the self that youre using as a reference point which is the personal self when you sink into layer three","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"although a soulless version of a dark night of the soul the soul word doesnt make a lot of sense to them um and so there are these there are such significant changes identity wise for you in that leap from layer three to layer four location four","label":14,"label_text":"loc4lay3"}
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{"text":"tension deconditioning practices deepening in sinking in probably sinking into a location three type of experience","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
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{"text":"it makes perfect sense youd be able to zoom in zoom out","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
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{"text":"theres a smear of the mind in there too and even maybe how i experienced layer three as well","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"i call it the exuberance of the universe like laughter that its a flavor in layer three","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"like layer three is sort of you know fluid but its sort of like i dont know lounging around its like sort of there but in more of the location three state it was like it was almost dancing","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"location two layer four is an easier traverse between going between the layers and to then when you flip into four it","label":7,"label_text":"loc2lay4"}
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{"text":"and should i try to sink into layer three","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"and if you really deepen into layer four in location two your system will sooner or later be unable to really stabilize that in location two and it will shift into location four","label":7,"label_text":"loc2lay4"}
{"text":" one of them is the love aspect of and any other aspects of layer","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"we try to see where youve come back to or whether there s some fluidity in the system that s producing sort of the more layer three type experiences that youve regained access to","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"but it certainly sounds like youre predominant location is location to layer three it sounds like you probably can get pulled down to layer one","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
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{"text":"but not as regularly accessible as potentially layer three fullness i would say lets talk about the fullness for a minute","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"well if i have to make a choice i would say lets keep at location two layer three for now","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"but you talk about boundlessness you often talk about things like boundaryless boundaryless field of awareness you know awareness is a term that is more associated from our perspective with layer three","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"im in location one layer one at this moment","label":0,"label_text":"loc1lay1"}
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{"text":"an example of one potential reason relates to personal love for ones child","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
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{"text":"and then same for location three in some ways so location three can be really powerful for healing things because you cant really experience negative emotion so just bringing you know thats essentially the whole thing with leicesters love it just really encodes the memories to be an experience thats associated with the pardon","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
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{"text":"i feel the vibration of what i call love or either love joy or compassion usually compassion is the easiest one","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
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{"text":"or layer two and have an immense amount of activity at layer one","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"true thats a tricky name yeah yeah okay well um yeah all that all that comes up to say would be related to that um self dropping away which i think because of your experience with helping people shift out of the personal sense of self um and seeing that from the other side um you can probably um sense into in some way uh so theres the personal sense of self which is really constructed conceptually and what youre experiencing is what one could consider an impersonal sense of self in that there is beingness or presence you wouldnt say that theres you know that you dont exist or something um but its not personal in nature its universal in nature it is you know in union with all being with the essence of all being um and when that disappears theres obviously a disappearance of even the quality of being or beingness theres like just existence without that condition because being is then perceived to be a condition that would imply that you know what what existence is subject to a condition of being and it feels just more fundamental or absolute than that but the the self is essentially what remains is that which reflects on experience so im not talking about the mind having an interpretation of experience but simply that which kind of reflects on experience and has therefore got the sense of i exist i am but also produces relationship and so thats this is really","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"still have a full range of emotions","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"location two because my system shifted and i was being the the space spacious emptiness um without without being the body anymore","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
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{"text":"i am hoping so much to be deeper in fundamental being that im trying to daydream into it","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"occurred in sense of self all aspects of having","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"location four didnt seem appealing at all and it sounded well scary you could say like no agency being a puppet and no emotions and","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"probably the use of psychedelics has been whats got me to that place but i also have just feel that felt that expansive sense of divine love to associating with location three layer three","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"deep experience of of layer two where you feel you are the spacious emptiness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
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{"text":"can can kind of manufacture emptiness if i say this is a so this may be maybe this is going back to layer two um emptiness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"i can even when you were just describing it i can say oh yeah yeah i know that but again i dont know whether is there a gravitational pull to location three once youre in it","label":10,"label_text":"loc3lay3"}
{"text":"regarding layer three right but id say its a minority of people that are going to experience either one of those i never experienced anything involving luminosity for instance i did experience sort of the viscous fluid thing heard a lot of other people describing the luminosity thing","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":" from a location two perspective","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"i would mean that youve already described youve experienced the benefits of layer two to deconditioning and that is something youve you know highlighted as being important to you and something youre working on","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"maybe aliveness um presence beingness thats showing up","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"you can experience our proto emotions like one would in location four so those are very brief sort of experiences of the what you could think of as the building blocks of emotion or some very sort of foundational experience of emotion","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"regarding the layer three experiences what youve described thus far is primarily affect so its like emotion related to what can be related to layer three particularly if its like very impersonal forms of love joy compassion um those types of experiences","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"sometimes yeah sometimes i certainly had it as i go a little bit deeper like as im kind of like more like with time space the time just space sort of yeah like maybe slightly different from all the other space but sort of space","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
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{"text":"that was a very low kind of stillness thing in terms of vibrational frequency of the stillness and stuff from my standpoint you know and then and then you know very early on like when i asked you to focus on fullness it was like just cranking up the dial to like a high frequency higher frequency stillness in an unusual way for me to perceive such that it just really stood out i was like oh wow this is this is going to be a stillness thing","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"and when i go deeper into layer two there is also this really deep sense of quietness its like an inner silence and an outer silence","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
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{"text":"but now if i feel into the spaciousness it doesnt have boundaries it doesnt have it doesnt really end no so the space seems endless","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
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{"text":"it would seem the moments that the centre and falls away and the self comes more less and less that","label":29,"label_text":"lay4"}
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{"text":"um whats your experience with with layer one","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
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{"text":"it could be that youre that youre okay living from location one that that is the life integrated place that you want to actually live from even though you know you have beliefs that are different than that or you feel a pull maybe thats different than that from a fundamental wellbeing standpoint right","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
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{"text":"it yeah it feels its like the space between objects between main objects and the that that things objects are thing that space yeah and if i go a bit deeper when ive been doing like a deeper meditation i get to a point where its there is the center that im like the center","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
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{"text":"even feeling that space was just jarring","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
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{"text":"layer three of location two um in that direction","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"so i guess i had thought fluid location five with also knowing how to hang out in the charmed life place for a bit","label":16,"label_text":"loc5+"}
{"text":"of course you know all to some degree when you go to location for all bets are off","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"it was just feeling kind of centerless but now its feeling like there is some kind of um a feeling of connected fullness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"it yeah it feels its like the space between objects between main objects and the that that things objects are thing that space yeah and if i go a bit deeper when ive been doing like a deeper meditation i get to a point where its there is the center that im like the center","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"but probably it s going to remain location two","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
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{"text":"um but then your second point was getting some fluidity to layer two which given that deconditioning is something that is important to you and that youre working on thats probably a good idea","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"it may still feel like you have a lot of individualness and you know thoughts and emotions and things like that and thats perfectly fine because all of that can continue to exist at layer one","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"it would be around sort of the location to layer two type of attributes","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"the fullness and the and the presence","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"im being more passive and you know and i think itll be important for me to recognize that a lot of what i do is really passive","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"you dont have to shift out of the deconditioning you know you can you can just sink in to deeper into fundamental wellbeing you can sink as deep as you want really into fundamental wellbeing while the conditioning is there and let the conditioning have the impact or let the let the let the deepening fundamental wellbeing have the impact on the conditioning","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"just kind of just is its it has a sense of awareness like it knows everything its theres nothing that can its outside of time and space and yet okay its in everything it sees everything it knows everything it theres nothing where it isnt yeah it doesnt fit thats why it doesnt feel like a container to me when i look at that way","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"parts of negative emotions are still occasionally felt but only rarely fully form","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"im describing is layer three okay so theres the experience of for you you know that all pervading sense of presence of the divine but it remains an experience of it um and therefore relational even though theres a union its relational and um its if you compare you know the idea of what we experience say the sun we experience the sun in a certain way um but the experience of the sun as it is unto itself is entirely different to our experience of the sun and the same goes for the divine or you know the the ground of being while it remains relational its an entirely different experience than when that relationship falls away or collapses and theres nothing to experience it and theres only it as it is unto itself um which means the qualities as we experience them the qualities of it whether thats divinity or presence or beingness um those can no longer be perceived because theyre only perceived in in relation to it you know as it is known to the self um but when that reflection on experience ceases its just as it is unto itself its its you know without um go ahead","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"at that point thats out of reach in all likelihood unless somehow you come in at a lower layer in location four","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"i would say im in layer two","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"which may be useful as an access point in your during your day because you describe the stillness as pervading everything so and having a quality of sort of aliveness and that type of thing where youre describing the presence as well so thats all kind of heading in the direction of layer three","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"and then when it s more having that deeper experience where there s the sense of union or the dissolving the melting into creation possibly glimpses of location three","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
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{"text":"location five feels as flat as location four","label":16,"label_text":"loc5+"}
{"text":"so that would mean you know any qualities of joy or love compassion anything that feels sort of sacred or divine if you are prone to that experience and location three or otherwise that sense of presence pervading everything especially if you can get a sense of it being somehow conscious or intelligent those are sort of location three type layer three experiences","label":10,"label_text":"loc3lay3"}
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{"text":"thats who knows some portion of layer three or some afterglow from layer three or some thread to layer three or whatever it is but then you know youre really going to want to spend time dedicated time sinking in and really clearly communicating to your system and to the habit formation in your attention that no no no its these things you know its not the spaciousness its not the emptiness its not the spacious emptiness its not the spacious emptiness combined with the fullness its the fullness its the presence its the infinite field thing its whatever","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
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{"text":"again and make it a way just to pick on her because she we dont have to worry about anonymity of her data since shes with the project and talks about this stuff with people or whatever else but shes a good example of that you know since shes come back from later locations these visual perception things remain with her","label":16,"label_text":"loc5+"}
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{"text":"so do you notice any other changes weve talked about layer two and spaciousness and","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
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{"text":"find myself gravitating towards the silence you know and i can feel i can feel the pull like to i just want to be by myself i just want to sink right and which to me is wonderful but also slightly perilous because i could see how you go say too deep there but yeah you go off on that path","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
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{"text":"this thing is almost analogous to effective prayer when used in temporary ways and so its not even a situation necessarily where one would have to go to stay there for six months or some period of time it can its i think its very i think its probably what most people are referring to as effective really hyper effective prayer you know people that get people that really get to an experience like i think my mom is probably there for instance she really believes that like her prayers are always answered and occasionally one doesnt come true and it kind of freaks her out like you know maybe her relationship with god is having some issues or something like that right","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"memories are simply arising less on their own","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
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{"text":"so ive been working on that for decades anyway um but there are some things i dont have access to like dont have access to i cant see or hear or feel the effects of of the energy transmission but that people tell me about later after the concerts over um so i dont have a sense of where exactly its going other people have been able to see that observe that process happening but um for me im just aware of it all radiating out and very very centered and very spacious","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"layer one level","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"so while the period you know the punctuated periods where theres like you know blooming and pruning happening in the brain if you remember that from your psychology you know training days right where you have sort of those periods of explosive growth of connections and whatnot in the brain and then a pruning back to whats going to be you know sort of the constrained normal after that and just all of those different developmental phases","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"location to type situation","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"ive had like more kind of nondual moments than the then im like oh did i do that you know and just sort of feeling a bit like i mentioned this when i kind of think about it like it feels like there is this empty space in there","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"showing up in the layer three","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"all right so generally speaking when i hear something like that it immediately makes me think probably location two","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
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{"text":"the love joy rich qualities can show up in layer three","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":" the reason i pointed out is because i think because the self disappears the self that youre using as a reference point which is the personal self when you sink into layer three","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"s im not im not you know concluding this yet but it does look like that that description is more layer two","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"perception and the resulting change in sense of","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"location 2 individuals also have fewer and less powerful conditioned psychological responses","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
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{"text":"out instead of feeling and presence feels no quieter or calmer","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"fairly significant amount of proclivity right now to location three or to being able to move in the direction of location three","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
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{"text":"unity or oneness of two different types","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
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{"text":"one of the things most finders notice first is a reduction in their interest in nearly all stories","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"so it sounds um definitely you know interject if this doesnt sound right to you um were just trying to make sense of your way of interpreting your experience and and languaging it but it does sound like your attention is much more on the space essentially or on the the emptiness surrounding objects of perception or the space between them and because your attention is much more on that the spaciousness is almost like more in the foreground or more what your attention is centering on than the things and so the things kind of are in the background you could think of or more backgrounded than the spaciousness which produces you know this focus on the spaciousness or the emptiness in which everything is arising","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"b however does it seem like when youre looking that everything is just sort of showing up okay so thats just a quick test we do for nondual perception so thats a second vote in favor of location two","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
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{"text":"there is a sense of me here but its not its not showing up in the perceptual field like the perceptual field is just here the sense the sense of me","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
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{"text":"it makes sense that lets say what you mentioned around food and as recognizable feel to it id almost say but again right now it doesnt seem to me like in in the celestial like more the inbetween and but still eat meat but im quite picky to the feel of it and and but the same with anything actually so in that case like that i recognize what you say and there is a sex drive but and how can i describe that its like a little bit with like with thoughts right now like um my testosterone levels are normal and i can see that doing things in my body but its like this this distance i can see things happening moving in the body but its not me if that makes any sense","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"the layer one is getting more pulled back into the story and the sort of feeling of the the thoughts that put me into the past or the future or something like that","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"i really think hes in fundamental wellbeing","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
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{"text":"you could do that possibly um maybe not you know maybe theres a sense maybe you stay in the shallow range of layer three and just start moving in that direction letting that stuff start to come up","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"is there a difference in wellbeing when the spacious emptiness takes over versus when it s not there","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"its also possible that its just your attention getting very very dominantly occupied with layer one and maybe a bit shallower","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
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{"text":"brings a more substantial change and is much harder to miss","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"s im not im not you know concluding this yet but it does look like that that description is more layer two","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
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{"text":"  and and to that point so what i mentioned earlier with the teachers ive been working with and really working with one of my buddhist teachers thats the person i was referring to really made a huge difference and also my ability to access nonduality but a big emphasis there was feeling emotions","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"that i can that i can relate to in my own experience that i mean just everything everything having that that underlying quality of reality that even i mean i sometimes joke you know even even thoughts are real neuronal firings in your brain you know they have reality but that reality is something more fundamental","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
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{"text":"you know youre past the sense point obviously of layer two youre to the direct perceiving of layer two at various amounts of depth of layer two and even to the point where youre starting to get occasional periods of identity shifting into it and so thats you know a really good progression into layer two","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
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{"text":"its there and location to layer three and then the personal side drops off and location three and then emotion itself drops off and location four and thats whats providing that richness you know of that experience and so its although there can still be you know a sense of presence found in the experience and stuff like that its like an alien type of presence compared to you know what someone experienced up to that and its going to you know youre typically speaking youre going to lose access to it in a matter of weeks and root more into just layer four and location four","label":15,"label_text":"loc4lay4"}
{"text":"and then while youre in layer one you know youre able to produce a memory of layer three if thats what it is","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
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{"text":"you would want to minimize sort of those proclivities in your experience that relate to location three and maybe try to make it on to layer four","label":11,"label_text":"loc3lay4"}
{"text":"the qualities of spaciousness emptiness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"that sense of nonduality but the subtle sense of duality um like informing it or underlying it","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"there is a sense of me here but its not its not showing up in the perceptual field like the perceptual field is just here the sense the sense of me","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"being a seer because think you know what i what i dont do that theres just a tendency to to float kind of untethered and dont feel quite done in the spot i think need to stick around in this in the system for a while it doesnt feel like im finished in this experience whatever finished means it both feels complete but not quite done so dont i dont know how to describe it but think i was","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"sometimes yeah sometimes i certainly had it as i go a little bit deeper like as im kind of like more like with time space the time just space sort of yeah like maybe slightly different from all the other space but sort of space","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"in that moment do you think that youre just moving deeper into layer two","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"i think the centralist thing might not relate to deep and layer three center lessness","label":10,"label_text":"loc3lay3"}
{"text":"when it when its more intense its more like love","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
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{"text":"you dont have to shift out of the deconditioning you know you can you can just sink in to deeper into fundamental wellbeing you can sink as deep as you want really into fundamental wellbeing while the conditioning is there and let the conditioning have the impact or let the let the let the deepening fundamental wellbeing have the impact on the conditioning","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"i was nowhere near fundamental wellbeing","label":22,"label_text":"nfw"}
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{"text":"so this is a great opportunity in your case because that s a big difference being going between layer two of location two","label":5,"label_text":"loc2lay2"}
{"text":"its more like that the way you describe layer four when its experienced from layer three is being like this sense of a deep mystery behind it all and you know its like my mind cant grasp it and but i sense it","label":29,"label_text":"lay4"}
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{"text":"so do you think when that centralist experience shows up that it s a transition from location one","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
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{"text":"yeah let me describe some things that could be happening for you and you can tell me whether it resonates or whether parts of it do or you know what your sense is around that so that deeper layer you know beyond layer four um what it makes possible is a very a great degree of fluidity in a certain sense but even a kind of almost as if youre in a greater like more a greater dimension than the matrix and you can kind of see all of it","label":29,"label_text":"lay4"}
{"text":"frankly and i havent had experiences like that with the exception of one in the last month i dont really have experiences like that anymore but i do sometimes wonder if im kind of when some conditioning is triggered im getting pulled back into layer one theres more discreet conventional kind of emotional experience and then im able to kind of like slingshot back into location three sometimes i have to be more intentional sometimes it feels just like boom boom ive gone in and out really quick other times i think i have to be more intentional about it and i have to it wheres the peace wheres the love wheres that sense of you know god or the divine and then you know i can transition back pretty quickly","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"they were clearly layer three qualities in addition like a feeling or like a rich experience and the fullness of aliveness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"itll move as you as you sink in but just what you can do is is sink into that experience and really let your system recognize that theres an entirely different experience of what you are or of being than there normally is and while the personal self is you know temporarily either in the background or dissolved there is still beingness you know its not like youve ceased to exist and so you can just let your system kind of recognize that what you are is more foundational than the the personal sense of self that can just fall away because that is already what youre experiencing its just that the recognition of it isnt necessarily happening at the deepest level that it can","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"im whats interesting you know you ask some questions that i listened to earlier ones about emotion and its an interesting one because i mean all those questions are great things to reflect on because emotion you know when you talk about love and ive really noticed when you ask that question because love is an emotion um its tricky because its so deeply ingrained of what it is that it clearly not that i can but its a totality of what is showing up and so theres just you know i think one of the words i heard is love is just what is and i didnt understand it and now thats all there is theres just the love of what is and since i dont know what this is or this is theres a love for that too and i think you know maybe im talking to one of the biggest ones was knowing about emotion and how its not here and they extend it whether its here or not and only knows when it shows up as i said i separated from my wife and thats not been easy but its now pretty solid here but still she resents very deeply what happened and you know theres no forgiveness there so when it was interactions she usually ends up with some type of unpleasantness toward me and there was the last time its just i just felt this exuding sense of love and compassion for what was being expressed and it had nothing to do with ear and it was just no feeling of emotion arising it was just an openness of saying yes that too and you know that just kind of blew me away i hadnt felt that before","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"maybe ive just been telling myself presence equals layer three","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"youve got the spaciousness in layer two which is a very different experience sense of spaciousness or emptiness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"the space size of the spaciousness so that in a silence comes first","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"you know less freedom but better slightly richer whatever more some love whatever experience of the path of humanity","label":10,"label_text":"loc3lay3"}
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{"text":"but you know the nature of the thoughts like if im to compare myself to ten years ago you know the nature of myself is very different its theres not really a tangible self per se theres no voice in my head or like not really many im not really interested in narratives or not many narrative thoughts going back to me its just not something im really drawn to yet i do think about life situations i do analyze things i do make plans theres just not so much backward looking activity in that sense so yeah i can go on","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"they can seem to have a whole range of emotions because of course their system actually does have emotion theyre just not able to perceive it","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
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{"text":" i think just like two times maybe um like exactly as described in the book just the spaciousness emptiness at one point became just fullness and but it only happened to me after like deep deep yoga and meditation like for a long time","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"its just not baked in as part of the natural abilities that come with fundamental well being on top of fundamental well being being hard thing to do in the first place and so its all its all sort of loops back around on itself","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"just unfolding with doing and deciding simply","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
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{"text":"just everything and this happened to me like every time im sinking like deep","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"its also possible that its just your attention getting very very dominantly occupied with layer one and maybe a bit shallower","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
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{"text":"so you know im not its not a bad thing that you shift into layer one or anything like that its not something to be avoided","label":4,"label_text":"loc2lay1"}
{"text":"reconditioning process that s occurred for you and location one","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"like the qualities of layer two is just you know spaciousness or emptiness a sense of everything arising within it as it if your universe view feels like kind of this um all containing sense of this one thing thats just arising that is um i suppose if its layer two in essence it would feel somehow like it is the space within which the universe arises or that the universe is somehow composed of a spacious emptiness or that type of quality","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"its more like that the way you describe layer four when its experienced from layer three is being like this sense of a deep mystery behind it all and you know its like my mind cant grasp it and but i sense it","label":29,"label_text":"lay4"}
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{"text":"help them transition into fundamental wellbeing","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"so this and i think most christians have a more temporary experience of that theyre not as rooted in to location two layer three and you know their prayers occasionally work i think when they work theyre closer sort of in that type of direction or whatever and so you can you can maintain fluidity use location to layer three like that and not you know not have to lock that in for any period of time","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"location 3 finders sense of self feels very connected to both others and the rest of the world in general","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"yeah its definitely not going to reach your level but that doesnt mean its not impacting your actions and the decision making lower down at layer one","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
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{"text":"a feeling that you are the thinker im not sure whether what youre describing is really shifting your identity or whether youre just shifting the focus of your attention to be you know almost entirely occupied with thought or with you know speaking personality aspects and so on so that shift that were looking for if its you know true fluidity to layer one that would mean not only is your attention occupied with the contents of layer one but also the sense of self has moved into layer one like you are the personality you are the thinker you are the one speaking you know generating those","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
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{"text":"you know shift me in there or if i should focus on the love feelings first and then","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
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{"text":"thinking back to the past oftentimes in fundamental wellbeing you can think back to sort of the worst things in the past and its still youre still sort of experiencing them through fundamental wellbeing","label":24,"label_text":"tfwc"}
{"text":"they were clearly layer three qualities in addition like a feeling or like a rich experience and the fullness of aliveness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"so youre saying you have no thoughtsyes my mind is completely silentwhat is one plus onetwohmmmdid you watch the presidential debate last nightyesdo you have a favorite candidateusually i vote democrat but im leaning towards the other person this timewhyi think his position on something i consider important is more inline with my viewbut again you say you have no thoughtscorrectand no sense that there is an individual yourighthmmmits easy to see how an exchange like this one can be somewhat baffling it took a great deal of careful probing experimentation and analysis to unravel and come to grips with seemingly contradictory statements such as those in the example above","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
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{"text":"but i think i probably got good access to to layer three and lie three ive always felt alive three im fairly easily never really felt lied to but through this exercise i could i could feel i could feel lied to a bit more","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"location 4 finders say they do not have a sense of agency individuals at locations 2 and 3 can also comment that there is no doer this is related to the earlier discussion of there being no seer or hearer etc","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"its more a reaction","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"think of spaciousness all the time","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"  not really it feels pretty full it feels more full","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"for the most part you might be touching on you know an aspect of layer three if theres really a strong sense of aliveness thats not just in the body but thats pervading you know that spaciousness or that space so the space has a quality of being infused with aliveness if thats your experience then that may be touching on you know beginning to have a smear of layer three","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"sometimes the layer to spaciousness location to layer two stuff comes in spontaneously as a result of just the right environment or circumstances typically relating to the safety thing","label":5,"label_text":"loc2lay2"}
{"text":"yeah things feel very still whatever this thing is and i really enjoy being in this stillness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"sense you know given your background and what youve traditionally gravitated from you know force towards system wise rooted into for decades um you know all of that stuff for sure i mean its all so classically layer three","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"thats kind of i suppose you could think of it as a very shallow experience of layer two certainly because you have sense of spaciousness as well sort of crossing over into layer two","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
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{"text":"they can feel like a blessing is radiating out to everyone in their presence","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"so much so that it made me think it s almost unusual for someone to have this nice a deconditioning process without having jumped over to location two and maybe not knowing it","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"that means youve got quite a lot of range in terms of different qualities of layer two that youre able to experience um the spaciousness the all containing nature of it","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
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{"text":"the path of freedom was more common in eastern research participants especially monastics and the path of humanity in western ones","label":21,"label_text":"loc5"}
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{"text":"dont notice the stillness and the spaciousness anymore","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
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{"text":"we want to think about it that i think part of it is always with someone that we have to you know really come to grips with that really give our systems permission for that really communicate that were okay with that youve spent a long time now telling your system this is what i want experience wise something like this it doesnt have to be exactly like this im open to some variation but you know within these boundaries right and now youre more or less saying something very different than that to go to location four layer four and location three","label":11,"label_text":"loc3lay4"}
{"text":"theres still a sense of fullness theres still a sense of okayness unless its a kind of extraordinary situation","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
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{"text":"finders in this situation have deepened on the continuum while needing to hide their inner experience of fundamental wellbeing from those around them","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"when you remember and theres presence which of which of these two things feels more like the case","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"people are divinity","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"joyfulness","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"i do think location three could do a lot for you so its probably worth seeing what thats like because theres more trade off on the location for side given the interpersonal nature of some of the work you do","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"stillness and silence","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"all pervading sense of consciousness","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"aliveness or sense of beingness","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"i was going to say that the stillness feels like home","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"maybe something youve done its great its really great and when you and you know if you do just want to keep going further and further and further and further layer wise","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"primarily centered in layer three","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"sure yeah i think if you continue your current you know surrendering path so to speak this which is very similar to what you just said you know youre surrendered in whatever direction it goes most likely its going to continue to go in that direction of of location for","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"spaciousness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"location 2","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"but the other answer the layer one answer is really looking in to each one of these things and getting it to consciously in your system separate from im not going to die","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"emptiness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"spaciousness standpoint","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"nonduality","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"so spending a lot of time trying to thinking that youre going to decondition something like that while youre in layer one and that thats going to be like the key to moving you forward in fundamental wellbeing is more or less just a really good way to waste a lot of time","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"spaciousness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"opposed to feeling like its me","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"so when that when you feel that you are that thats really near the deepest reaches of layer three","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"huge fullness","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"theres virtually no fear about the future which is not really good because i think i was motivated by fear and driven by fear","label":1,"label_text":"loc1lay2"}
{"text":"experiencing a single ongoing emotion that felt","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"unless theres some crazy conditioning or something that pulls someone down or which is which often has to be like some significant trauma in the system that just locks them into like layer two of location four you know at which point theyd probably rather not be in fundamental wellbeing","label":13,"label_text":"loc4lay2"}
{"text":"sense of the divine","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"it feels like a nondual location three like a super nondual three like a location three","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"that makes more sense all right so yeah its a trigger to awareness for some reason yeah okay so it is awareness related methods that youre in good shape there you know thats the majority of people slight majority i mean not like 70 of people or something but yeah okay so thats great um thats thats a good sign that those work for you because those are those are good for especially progression through layer two","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"emptiness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"i would say location one with layer one","label":0,"label_text":"loc1lay1"}
{"text":"fullness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"it does come and go yeah yeah but say you like out in the trees probably once a month so thats when its at its peak aw yeah yeah i even felt that in the city actually on the full moon because i went out in the night and rode my bike around the city for 3 or 4 hours and enjoyed the moon over the water","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"sense of something wrong at the same time that i know theres i can access okayness","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"location 4","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"remember from the content that there a strong link oftentimes between layer three","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"location 2","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"better than location four layer four just based on ive heard that you know location for layer four is not terribly associated with go getter type of attitudes no matter the piece or anything","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"the sense of safety so um theres just a sense like something is going to go wrong at any minute or is going wrong","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"so in location three its generally one wouldnt have personal emotion so that includes most you know basically negative emotion even things like personal love um theres really just that impersonal or universal love joy compassion that composes that meta emotion so thats what im sort of digging into","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"make a choice locations prior to this seemed","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"emptier","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"spaciousness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"beingness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"sometimes i think maybe that is like a layer four glimpse","label":29,"label_text":"lay4"}
{"text":"the location four doesnt you know show up as something that is necessarily dissociative or trauma related in in the ordinary sense","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"sense of agency","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"location 2 finders are more likely to intuitively feel that there is a correct decision or path to take when presented with choices even if there seems to be very little rationality behind the direction being taken","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
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{"text":"true thats a tricky name yeah yeah okay well um yeah all that all that comes up to say would be related to that um self dropping away which i think because of your experience with helping people shift out of the personal sense of self um and seeing that from the other side um you can probably um sense into in some way uh so theres the personal sense of self which is really constructed conceptually and what youre experiencing is what one could consider an impersonal sense of self in that there is beingness or presence you wouldnt say that theres you know that you dont exist or something um but its not personal in nature its universal in nature it is you know in union with all being with the essence of all being um and when that disappears theres obviously a disappearance of even the quality of being or beingness theres like just existence without that condition because being is then perceived to be a condition that would imply that you know what what existence is subject to a condition of being and it feels just more fundamental or absolute than that but the the self is essentially what remains is that which reflects on experience so im not talking about the mind having an interpretation of experience but simply that which kind of reflects on experience and has therefore got the sense of i exist i am but also produces relationship and so thats this is really","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"how long have you been in fundamental wellbeing","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"the negative emotions are much more transient and do not have the power over them that they once did","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"im describing is layer three okay so theres the experience of for you you know that all pervading sense of presence of the divine but it remains an experience of it um and therefore relational even though theres a union its relational and um its if you compare you know the idea of what we experience say the sun we experience the sun in a certain way um but the experience of the sun as it is unto itself is entirely different to our experience of the sun and the same goes for the divine or you know the the ground of being while it remains relational its an entirely different experience than when that relationship falls away or collapses and theres nothing to experience it and theres only it as it is unto itself um which means the qualities as we experience them the qualities of it whether thats divinity or presence or beingness um those can no longer be perceived because theyre only perceived in in relation to it you know as it is known to the self um but when that reflection on experience ceases its just as it is unto itself its its you know without um go ahead","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"nondual experience","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"alone","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"this form of social give and take can trigger them and will sometimes be experienced as deep hurt","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"the advantage is location three feels fantastic and a lot of deconditioning can happen there that is kind of special in a way to location three because of the absence of personal emotion and yet the presence of such a all comprehensive love and all of that and so that can have a very profound healing effect on conditioning that is otherwise more difficult to take care of so yeah there are definitely benefits of location three in and of itself","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"but theres never an experience of that self being like removed from or distinct from you know what youre experiencing as though you know like a like a duality where like that self is whats looking out your eyes and the stuff is out there and the self is in here","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"very full","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"charmed life nature of the experience in location to layer three","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"and it can be all kinds of stuff for people and you know location for","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"its not always there but as i said a lot of times im just in my mind theres some times that it feels kind of emotionally flat so no its not always there","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"spaciousness and emptiness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"once location 4 or beyond is reached these finders are typically left alone to deepen and explore their new location","label":21,"label_text":"loc5"}
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{"text":"well right now the conversation is happening in the presence the presence is the bigger thing so now im trying to remember like i think its the opposite way around so theres more sort of like i am the whatever that personality is or i sort of believe it more","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"and layer three","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"right and thats not an easy thing for them to do youre not in any different position just because youre in fundamental wellbeing youve got an established life self within this i dont know if you were listening to the last call with annemieke talking to someone who was basically kind of new in location three and had lost it it was there for like you know five days or something and then fell out of it and was interested in getting back to it or whatever but one thing that i thought was really interesting that she basically said is that you know as youre going through the location to to location three to location four theres like this progression of the loss of the personal self at location three and then the loss of the non personal self at location four and so even though youre not thinking of yourself as sort of having a sense of self there is a self that sort of has to die to some degree or has to surrender or has to give way just like ive advised you know a zillion people right over your time of helping them to transition to fundamental wellbeing you know","label":24,"label_text":"tfwc"}
{"text":"the pieces of the remaining aspects of the narrativeself that fall away in these later locations are often old deep and very complexly embedded in the psyche","label":21,"label_text":"loc5"}
{"text":"it is a sense of being connected with divine","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"the experience of present moment awareness inner peace and wellbeing continues to grow and deepen","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"christianity","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"so theres just these ranges of different types of experience and theyre all you know theyre all perfectly fine","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"physiological ailments most likely remain as well","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"because at least theres some action now and im kind of like since transitioning a bit detached about you know my career who gives a shit you know and you know family just you know an idea like im more detached and i dont really care about a lot of things achievements you know and of course if i would just like to sit on my couch and you know i dont know become a mommy you know its i see why the system can be fearful about that you know yeah but yeah bringing it in into life more i think and and spending more time thinking deeper and see then where it takes me i think its a very good point","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"its not for you its like driving right but you can imagine like if you know youre like really into some sport or something it can be like a holy crap kind of actually happened to me with location two","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"top end of location three","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"agency is basically a sense that you can take action in the world in the sense that were using it its the sense that you can sort of take action in the world that you can make decisions things like that and so folks in location four are usually find that to be a ridiculous idea you know they can have a glimpse of a mental layer that theyre watching discuss things that you know can seem to come to decisions or something but they feel almost like its a read only situation you know its like its a view only situation like they have no input into it you know whatsoever and then a decision is reached and you know their body seems to do that and they still feel like they have no real input in that in that thing","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"self felt expanded","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"spaciousness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"emptiness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"i had a message about something to do with my dad who died recently that was quite significant and yeah and i think i might be in location three right now","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"spaciousness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":" i came across this this test on your website that is like asks ten questions and then tells you if youre in the middle of being or not and i remember at the time i was thinking that im probably not in fundamental wellbeing because i was just going through all this heavy conditioning that i was working with and it just wasnt fun","label":22,"label_text":"nfw"}
{"text":"were just looking mostly at how the fullness is showing up","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":" you dont really have a sense of a look or a location three","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"so you can sort of sink into deeper layers if you want of layer three where that center starts to drop away um and is there a what is the experience of stillness or silence um at layer three for you","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"its just all one big going on and its not happening to me its all just happening and its sort of like you know sensation inside the body is all part of the that thats going on","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"viewing and accessing layer one with just you know some subtle differences and preferences between those in terms of the lives","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"sense of self","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"do you have a sense of your identity being centered in layer one","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
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{"text":"centerless field","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"i can even when you were just describing it i can say oh yeah yeah i know that but again i dont know whether is there a gravitational pull to location three once youre in it","label":10,"label_text":"loc3lay3"}
{"text":"and you may find that when you get to location three that lifts there is a personal emotion component to it that is producing some negative valence in there that is producing sort of that negative feel","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"emotion","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"location three layer three maybe you experience again that you feel like you have a soul kind of thing or something","label":10,"label_text":"loc3lay3"}
{"text":"location one is sort of ideal you know for your life right now","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"sensation which is separate to other universe mind bodies in a sense this is where ive got to be very careful because you know with the with the medicine journeys like the and i dont know whether this is the different like layers locations and so on but ive had so many different experiences there","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"you describe it as a joy a positivity a contentment a warmth a glow","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"yeah it feels full","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"have a strong noetic sense","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"feel even better seems surprising","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"but not as regularly accessible as potentially layer three fullness i would say lets talk about the fullness for a minute","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"non sensory perception of layer three that youre calling an aliveness or or vibratory quality in everything thats not localized in the body then that can be an experience of layer three","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"and theres some more notes here like the deepest part of this is is the back of my heart feels really sort of timeless spaciousness or or like like like a like a grand dimension um i feel like im behind myself im watching myself im feeling like im a field of awareness the body is still here and it still has sensations and pain but its happening within a field sometimes when im driving it feels like everything is moving through me and again feeling im not having a back or a heart or a head so that so so more the back the back of the body the back of the head im feeling emptiness and when i notice this this then fills up the room um and i feel im in in the rooms um so to speak and so this can have like an emptiness feeling but then the body is still there but then when i when i when i go into this sort of spaciousness feeling behind myself im the body","label":1,"label_text":"loc1lay2"}
{"text":"strength of selfrelated thoughts","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"that distance is the way something can show up in layer two when people are especially screws with people who are like athletic and like you know play baseball or basketball or whatever else suddenly they sort of suck for a period of time because they you know their spatial perceptions","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"which would still mean that the mind is quite dominant in your experience","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"spaciousness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"presence","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"  hard to remember because if theyre short lived i mean theres something going on in meditation where the body is becomes like a picasso painting its fragmented the the seamlessness of it isnt there so it feels like theres a foot and a hand and a surface of the chest you know the way picasso painted and thats the body sometimes there is pixelation pixelation of vision uh when i wake up sometimes itll be things will just be so pixelated and then things become more solid so thats the only ones that i can kind of recall","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"and get stuck in location one","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"spaciousness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"like even when there are like some thoughts and things happening around me and its like my my awareness my attention is more on the silence","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"the big one of course is you know one kind of meta emotion that feels like a combination of love and joy and compassion could be some other things mixed in there depending upon life and cultural circumstances and all of that","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"of increasingly merging with either the divine","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"emptiness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"somehow to convince their system to go dual again so that they can take advantage of probably by that point where theyre at in layer three of location two to allow a switch","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"i dont know that it was a rising in a way that you would have answered the questions that way during this interview per se but you clearly have a penchant for you know fluidity in general you know and you were able to detect oh wait a minute im getting a little too close in the direction of location four we dont want that you know it sort of you have enough sort of presence to be able to sense that kind of thing and generally thats the kind of thing that comes from someone who is used to having some fluidity you know its kind of a situational awareness if you will within fundamental well being in the same way that ordinary people have a situational awareness in life among different circumstances and stuff like that right and so im sure that theres fluidity here for sure but at least during this interview the way you described things the way you talked about things you know id pin it mostly at location two layer three","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"stillness does it feel like the spaciousness contains everything or where is the spaciousness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"fundamental well being","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"location 3","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"location three or possibly layer three","label":10,"label_text":"loc3lay3"}
{"text":"like a combination of impersonal or divine","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"it knows that its centered in your head its again part of your individualized sense of self so yeah so thats location two","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"but theres a sense of theres a sense of me here","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"  it really sounds to me like you might have had a transition to the celestial uh experience of things pretty recently you know the sex stuff fits obviously and it sounds like there were probably some movements in that direction even prior to whatever the last five days or something but youve had your whole in your document its just such a divine sacred you know um you know surrendering devotional constantly merging constantly dissolving sort of feel of a layer three experience and the one thing that we have the only thing that we have potentially correlated at this point with the transition to the celestial is essentially that type of sort of devotional surrender if you will and so you fit the bill for that you know perfectly your descriptions you know the minute i see something like exalted and crystalline its just like you know nobody else ever says crystalline","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"yeah right not sameness in that sense right sameness in the sense of the the presence that that is experienced here right and so from a layer three standpoint theres some kind of presence and all pervasive presence theres generally that emotion or theres different layer in location three theres always that emotion","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"fullness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"so love joy compassion","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"very attached to my mind","label":0,"label_text":"loc1lay1"}
{"text":"location for type of nonduality","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"sense of presence","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"personal love","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"actually discovered this because i was following a teacher who was saying that awareness is limitless infinite and so forth and if you extend your attention to the limits of your consciousness you cant find the limit but i can find the limit and uh its actually just this i have a sense that initially when i transitioned i had the sense that the world ended where my perceptions ended so there was nothing beyond these walls and so forth and when i explore that when i initially explored that i had the sense that there was this kind of curved limit like a sphere or like a like a disc and i also feel that if i try to go with my attention to to the limit like try to to sense the end of my consciousness or awareness or whatever","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"also have experience of emptiness and mean did","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
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{"text":"its just like quiet everythings quiet its like a quiet acceptance","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"when we used words for it before we went to numbers we used awareness we called it the awareness layer","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"spaciousness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"spacious","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"and im a separate object now you know and all of that if instead you know more or less the perceptual stuff stays the same even though that reaction is occurring in the system then you know youre basically staying in location two","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"it certainly sounds like most of your experience of the deeper layer stuff is layer three everything you described is sort of layer three qualities and it sounds like you can actually sink into that very easily and you know a highly fluid to that place and in addition it shifts you to location two from having a more dual sort of perception and so thats really just awesome","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"no emotions","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"sense of self often becomes larger and feels like it expands beyond the physical body","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"but it was not the overriding sensation thats experienced so just thought oh definitely not close to layer three where were in layer two here and thats good","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"layer two or and i have had like particularly in gis like a feeling of fullness almost like something thats about to burst or an excited anticipation or potential","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"because that home layer of perception is still layer one and so it s exactly you said exactly what i would expect you to say in terms of what pulls you out of it s just basically a snap back to layer one","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"fullness right","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"maybe a sense of freedom that simple phrase but kind of has a certain allure to it","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"  but just sort of hold that lightly just kind of keep an eye on it sort of out of the corner of your eye you know and experiment for a while with seeing what do these deeper places in fundamental wellbeing do to those body sensations rather than bringing the putting your attention on them locking them in in sort of a heavier more focused way and bringing them along in sort of that heavier more dense way into this process that maybe doesnt allow fundamental wellbeing as you go to these more transcendent states in fundamental wellbeing to to to work more effectively on them because youre really locking them in and youre basically saying to these higher more transcendent states","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"i have my doubts about that one because sometimes i feel like maybe a more like a layer four but because i dont feel theres a container per se but i do describe it as sort of a bubble of perception which is a container but i cannot find really a boundary to that so it doesnt really feel like a container to me","label":7,"label_text":"loc2lay4"}
{"text":"conditioning","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"spaciousness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"location 1","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"stay in fundamental wellbeing","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"describe a sense of the divine with that one","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"like disapproval like i noticed that i kind of had a lot of these disapproval patterns of myself and so i started noticing them more and kind of like just kind of letting them go so maybe that was a big shift and now more recently ive been noticing that there is a lot of this anxiety kind of pattern that feels like a its like a performance type anxiety or like approval type of thing and that comes up like really a lot every day yeah so yeah so thats like thats dropping me down to layer one often","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"do you have a sense of your identity being centered in layer one","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"location 3","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"and we still oftentimes shorthand that were trying to train ourselves not to so that well get better at using the labels publicly when were not thinking about it but we still internally will often use you know those old labels and stuff like that so yeah theres a lot of what looks like you know layer three","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"and four","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"conditioning around needing the approval of others is dissolving and may result in less social and socially desirable behavior","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"the flatness increases so has increased it felt like my vision was getting worse than it is but i think its just the flatness and then just just the the the i dont have the thing in front of me but if its the the the you know the quirky happenings there so oh i know what youre talking about so then seeing in the dark is that what youre referring to as well","label":16,"label_text":"loc5+"}
{"text":"theres a sort of draw towards it for myself feels kind of like a natural place for me just like compassion and love feel very um inherent to my being in some way","label":10,"label_text":"loc3lay3"}
{"text":"mean that when i was looking at the leaves they were of colors that id never seen and everything was a brightness and there was a everything was sparkling and shining and and this was another thing","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"rarely there when youre in location when youre in what you think is location two layer two that s just the default experience that s rarely the default experience that type of thing as well","label":5,"label_text":"loc2lay2"}
{"text":"high degrees of fluidity its you know they are people who have reported celestial experiences","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"layer three","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"then maybe glimpsing the layer three","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"because its actually not that hard to influence someone thats in location four","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"no agency no emotion no divine","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"the one that were really talking about in the slides is at the end of layer three","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"anxiety","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"spaciousness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"non sensory perception of layer three that youre calling an aliveness or or vibratory quality in everything thats not localized in the body then that can be an experience of layer three","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"fundamental wellbeing is not about limitation","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"feel a joy i do feel joy and yeah lots of love lovey feelings and i do feel that theres conditioning","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"problems are really creating triggers and triggers are really increasing the volume so to speak or the energy that layer one has in the system","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"christian and islamic finders are also more likely to feel the love facet as divine love","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"i have the general general idea of how that works but its exactly its with love","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"would call divine is this presence and with that is that love and joy and compassion","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"can be a fullness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"thats when its sort of more bubbly um more vibrant","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"layer one feels like there is more thoughts thoughts can be stickier like more often thoughts come up and then the mind gets like gets on that thought train and just stays there for some time and its and and also the the conditioning comes up more often for the body","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"fine just like some is divine some is pan psychic and location three","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"seeker","label":24,"label_text":"tfwc"}
{"text":"fullness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"of just extreme wonder gratitude astonishment just feeling of being extremely blessed and kind of theres kind of a cosmic dimension to it","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"i had a retreat for example in just in in august where i was basically almost all of the time in awe i felt the most of the time in location three","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"words that kind of overlap with with layer two i can resonate resonate very well","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"yeah so the class or the session following the layer two session will be layer three","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"spacious awareness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"aloneness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"and then i just realized thats just because i kind of default to layer three at the moment so presumably if i moved further up i would be like maybe i can just i think thats thats just the gravity but yeah","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"emotion","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"so many people will get to like layer two or something of location two and theyll think oh","label":5,"label_text":"loc2lay2"}
{"text":"compassion","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"it sounds like you have a very location three like experience on the emotion side in location two","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"location two layer three because thats a really good place to talk to people","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"really just the benefits of what can be reconditioned stuff that i i guess really just blacked out or maybe just lives in in that location three zone that just right now because even right now i can feel what its sort of this slight deadness like its like just blacked out but in location three if it would come up it wouldnt have to be blocked like even the block itself of location two seems to be some sort of i dont know the thing that ive put in or some shield some protective thing that but it feels very subtle or it feels like its literally infused with the actual feeling of vocation to layer three but being in three three that that feeling itself was like i dont really need that necessarily","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"when i got triggered i got pulled back to layer one","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"its lovely and comforting and it feels like theres a pleasant weight to it theres some sense of weight and pressure but its totally pleasant","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"just joyous","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":" its kind of operating from","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"that s like a location nine type of experience if it s not under your control then it s some fluidity in your system that actually dont have that one under control either","label":16,"label_text":"loc5+"}
{"text":"freedom is really big for me and i have thought when when im at layer four or whatever i could see that i would want to go on easily i could easily see that i would the path of freedom seemed like","label":29,"label_text":"lay4"}
{"text":"so the benefit of going to a location three in this case might be some additional deconditioning around stuff that will decondition there that might not decondition as easily elsewhere","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"complete absence of emotion","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"right and i think youre going to see probably some continual evolution of that that will bring some more of this location for stuff","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"thats blending out into spaciousness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"you have a very quiet nothingness and layer two for you and location two","label":5,"label_text":"loc2lay2"}
{"text":"spaciousness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"funny","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"presence","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"the more im in layer three the more distracted i am","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"these are aspects of what is referred to as nonduality in some spiritual and religious traditions","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"it cant be that there is no emotion just have to look harder it can be that there is no agency but there really isnt and they might not have been for quite a while","label":16,"label_text":"loc5+"}
{"text":"mostly youre viewing layer one","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"if you think about divinity as sort of a lower vibrational form of the celestial and you think about the celestial as a potential onramp for a for a very flexible system like yours but not in its lower form not in its mid range form i mean just in its highest most pure most transcendent form and so thats what you would really want to try to find and sink into and the experience of the divine if you wanted to play around with going to the to the celestial yeah be careful of the celestial you know from a relationship standpoint and stuff though of course because like your sex drive will drop off if that matters to your husband or something","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"and you actually had that experience very energetically","label":22,"label_text":"nfw"}
{"text":"fundamental wellbeing","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"so if i do if i meditate in a certain way i have meditated and it happens and i drop into more of a kind of equalized more still flat perception i would say or just not not perhaps not maybe not flat but its like dropping into a different dimension if you could say that like thats not really its not about the physical that much anymore as much as its a different its like residing in a different field that is more quiet and peaceful and if i sink in in my day to day life i can also go go pretty quickly to that straight away actually but i again i guess i choose not to because again somewhere along the way i think one of my teachers emphasized also feeling the fullness but thats analysis for something else but yeah ive experienced that quite a few times","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"location 4 individuals often use the word freedom to refer to their dominant ongoing experience","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"no divine","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"vibrancy","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"absolute","label":16,"label_text":"loc5+"}
{"text":"like a weighted blanket kind of pressure so guess it feels a little heavy but in a in a desirable kind of way","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"no agency","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"spaciousness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"sometimes a spaciousness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"do you stay at sort of more of a dominant place of layer two","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"fullness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"so it feels like its outside the fullness trying to poke into it or does it feel like its in the fullness somehow","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"default way that fundamental wellbeing","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"having vanished for these participants","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"the nonduality the way it showed up","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"if there is none present that maybe my default is layer two","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"can can kind of manufacture emptiness if i say this is a so this may be maybe this is going back to layer two um emptiness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"typically only feel a single positive emotion","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"stillness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"fullness","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"spaciousness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"like that state of like everything is just great everything is just perfect like how they say before enlightenment","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"falling out all the way out of fundamental wellbeing","label":22,"label_text":"nfw"}
{"text":"layer three seems to come up only after ive like relaxed enough to let go of that conditioning so like i would sit for ten 15 minutes and then i feel that all these sensations in my hands my head my legs usually are they just dissolve and theres nothing left and then there is just like oh there is this peace and everything is just perfect and i dont really get that fullness experience but maybe thats just a semantic thing but there is a feeling of joy and just a flow and everything is just amazing and nothing really bothers me","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"spaciousness sounds more accessible than emptiness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"its like its like im kind of feeling the room that im in for example like literally actually kind of feeling it and theres a sense of ease and and the liveness and and also you know if i relax my perception ive been able to do this for ten 15 years one day it just happened in a moment you know if i relax my perception it feels like im seeing waves of energy so in the room and kind of just perceiving that around people or just you know just looking straight ahead um so i feel like on different levels perceptually im kind of picking up on things there as well and that doesnt feel empty it feels quite full in that sense yeah","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":" special abilities such as being able to read minds see the past and future heal the sick and so forth as strange as they may sound levitation passing part or all of ones physical body through a solid object disappearing manifesting unusual visual phenomena such as a glowing light pushing a solid object through a different one and manifesting objects from thin air are mentioned across many traditions because some aspects of this were covered in the chapter on location 5","label":21,"label_text":"loc5"}
{"text":"layer three of location two because youll be experiencing some sort of separation some sort of union","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"emptiness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"i would have to say probably not its just that i think that the mind gets so active in trying to kind of like very quickly come up with things to say or stuff like that that it can feel like","label":0,"label_text":"loc1lay1"}
{"text":"from from layer three","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"you say youre most interested in obtaining fluidity with locations two","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"conditioning standpoint","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"location 1","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"so youre saying too because im you know youve watched some of these and youve seen the perceptual thing and youve identified presumably that there is no looker and no listener","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"stillness for you is a good way of accessing layer three","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"tilted considerably","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"yeah so that you know thats there you know i have excellent night vision you know people will go camping and if we go for a hike and a trail and a dark trail people will have flashlights id be like shut those flashlights off you know and they cant see but i can see its like i can see better without the flashlights on and then a few you know sort of you know issues have been like i would be sitting and the the visual field would say half of my box on the zoom call right would start to fill with light and be just wavy and so half was you know normal and half was was light filled and so that happened a few times so ive had sort of those quirky things dont experience the luminosity i think you mentioned that on the call i kind of see a halo effect but its not the way you youve spoken about things being luminous","label":16,"label_text":"loc5+"}
{"text":"no love","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"um and then when you were talking about like think layer four in your presentation in the six hour class and you were talking about","label":29,"label_text":"lay4"}
{"text":"and location two and its sort of like a very nice functional place in location two","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"some of the things in terms of location two","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"its like its like im kind of feeling the room that im in for example like literally actually kind of feeling it and theres a sense of ease and and the liveness and and also you know if i relax my perception ive been able to do this for ten 15 years one day it just happened in a moment you know if i relax my perception it feels like im seeing waves of energy so in the room and kind of just perceiving that around people or just you know just looking straight ahead um so i feel like on different levels perceptually im kind of picking up on things there as well and that doesnt feel empty it feels quite full in that sense yeah","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"commonly perceived all of these layers","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"happy","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"nonduality and location two","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"joy love and the divine as indicatorsjoy is another common indicator that is used as feedback by some in locations 2 and 3","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"layer one is probably just trying to hold them back with what its doing","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"the great thing that you moved in the direction of jesus because you know his his followers are a lot more about union","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"remained unconscious or who had serious difficulties with the function of their bodies for periods of days weeks and even longer after moving into one of these locations","label":21,"label_text":"loc5"}
{"text":"so what youre describing there is primarily rootedness in layer one which might be happening in location one","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"me vastness and spaciousness feel equivalent um emptiness you know i just really like the sound of it i like the descriptions of it you know even im a long time buddhist practitioner and i wont say scholar but ive done a lot of study and i remember hearing teachings that if one feels a spontaneous joy and affinity to the teachings on emptiness and thats a sign that you have past life experience and thats thats considered a very good sign","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"because then that shift happened i realized that i had a lot less interest in my personal story and other stories and it was not like nondual it","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"that resulted in participants reporting a sense of","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"you say that when youre doing the medieval mystical chant you feel very centered and connected with divine spirit","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"um simply because youve you possibly had a lot of experiences of layer three in location two that are already quite location three like and what you want to somehow get is a glimpse of that sense of union","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"locations 1 generally experience a full range of emotions","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"spaciousness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"the more im noticing the unpleasantness of being verbal logical rational the more im noticing but not minding the egoic activity of other people you know violent communication and projection of anxiety and those kinds of things","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"centerless beingness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"approvalseeking conversations","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"fullness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"i think this life purpose thing is one of the things that changed after going to location four","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"experiencing layer two","label":5,"label_text":"loc2lay2"}
{"text":"love and joy","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"it sounds more like containing","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"duality with location one","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"because their own emotions arent influencing the situationas weve seen in this chapter peace or the disturbance of it is often of utmost importance to the success of finders committed relationships","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"the feelings of union with divinity or an allpervasive consciousness also disappear","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"all right um so you mentioned your goal is first uh location to layer three so it sounds like youve got that already of course theres always more to explore","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"youve talked about how the layer four is the most primitive part of the brain and and just the other day when i was i think having kind of a glimpse of it i felt more like a crocodile you know like like im just here like ready to you know eat whatever comes across my path and and thats about it you know im not im not like pondering this question im having right now about the human the purpose of my existence as a crocodile","label":29,"label_text":"lay4"}
{"text":"like my body is still responding like you know typical male hormonal cycle so ill wake up in the morning and its like my body is is primed that way so you know i can see my body is is there for it and its there if i go if im curious im like i wonder what itd be like to try and think about this you know think about sex and its like okay i can kind of bring that on its still there yeah so i still have access to it im noticing kind of so this is a little bit of an aside but it does fit there was a little bit of an abundance thing i had going on just after transitioning and its really kind of taken on more of an aesthetic flavor and the last little while i dont know how to where to pin it exactly in calendar time but probably in the last month or six weeks or something so this kind of fits with that i even i even had this intuition the other day you know monks and nuns dress a certain way not because that was to enforce behavior or enforce kind of this neutrality but for people who had realized something that would have been an outward expression of more of this celestial kind of quality at least from a you know at least what ive seen of that","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"and i did have 1 or 2 experiences of where everything was totally flat and when i looked and thought oh i recognize you but it was gone then the next minute but um i knew based on what you guys had said that thats something that can can happen and i did i did ayahuasca a few years back oldest person there but did have the experience of the luminosity and i also had the experience of a tree talking to me so based on on that i use that sometimes as a thread to go back to that luminosity to start","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"so i would save that one for when you do want to explore location four and just not use it until that point","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"its possible so the term presence could you know people can very much use that for layer two that term is very generic in some ways definitely has the most resonance with layer three but layer two can be described that way and the way youre describing it you know it being everything and containing everything or everything being within it showing up within it is more a layer two type of description","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"layer three this sense of like you know a field of something or some substance to stuff seems not at all there","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"yeah its like sinking in but specifically usually sinking into the senses and the body like in a more very direct way like leaving everything else behind and like boom going to seeing to hearing to sensing in a very like direct way that thats what usually brings it about","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"you know the it can be worth thinking into for some people if they get that sense of aliveness in the body that if you just really sink into it for some people that can open up deeper aspects of layer three stillness the silence beneath that aliveness kind of has a depth to it","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"and now i think you you know its given you access or just as a function of deepening and fundamental wellbeing whatever it is it has given you access and produced a shift to the to deeper parts of fundamental wellbeing","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"so its always functioning from a kind of separate perspective if youre paying attention to it","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"i feel like nothing there","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"location 4 since it often conflicts with deeply held beliefs and ideologies though again its important to note that there usually isnt a sense of agency involved to the finder it appears as if the debate and subsequent rejection just happen","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"no i think its a different thing than its related to location two layer three","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"you have a proclivity to bringing that in to second guessing everything to all of that heavily influenced in your layer one","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"the layer three content or materials are in the courtroom as well","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"i feel like really just im in layer one i think when im busy","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"path of freedom","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"theres very little layer two in it have you ever had an experience that was solely layer two you know like really just emptiness without a sense of fullness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"at this point much of this has been backed up by neuroimaging all of this knowledge tells us that in most cases theres no reason that the changes have to cluster the way they dofor example it may be possible to reliably create a new location that involves the single emotion of location 3 and the absence of agency found in location 4","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"the second one the path of humanity poh bears a greater resemblance to earlier locations","label":21,"label_text":"loc5"}
{"text":"divine","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"the big changes in my life its clear looking back there was no agency because i couldnt as a stealth done them i couldnt have left separated from my wife i couldnt i couldnt do it it was when i had a deep enough sense that the door opened and i walked out i used to work on wall street could have never left that if it wasnt you know the door opened and i walked out theres been so theres a sense in the deeper looking oh there just is life coming through isnt that amazing but when you get into minutia its a more of a challenge because i dont live life doesnt flow freely yet through here so in that sense theres a sense of agency still but it is much much less","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"layer three infused experience where theres a sense of fullness within the emptiness or presence of emptiness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"feeling of connectedness and union","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"yeah yeah i think so yeah","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"location 3","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"that that seems to draw me into the present moment to stillness a sense of presence","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"spaciousness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"and layer two of location one","label":1,"label_text":"loc1lay2"}
{"text":"location two","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"this includes very lowlevel brain processes such as dissolution and reassembly of how the senses are perceived","label":21,"label_text":"loc5"}
{"text":"im not sure how successful that will be because my spreadsheet mainly has where people are at not oh they were wrong about the fact that they werent in layer one","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"layer three in location two","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"emotionless","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"lets start by seeing if its location one","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"freedom part","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"layer two is sometimes more effective for that","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"increased loss of selfrelated","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":" religious finders usually experience an intense union with the divine this creates a deep certainty within them involving their faith and is generally validated by their tradition as correct its sudden absence can be jarring and convince them that something has gone wrong even though their wellbeing and sense of freedom have increased","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"emptiness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"spaciousness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"you know in your experience you may not be experiencing those as strongly as you otherwise would without being in layer three and having you know sort of the experience of layer three","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"celestial standpoint","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"obviously on location three in the sort of the degree of it that you have which is a very sort of worship y you know intense in a way kind of experience of of the divine aspect of it you know theres all sorts of encounters with things that can be like reported as angels and stuff like that so basically entities are not a strange thing to have reported people dont usually say theyre extraterrestrials but i dont know whats going on in the brain per se around that but my guess is you know different you know different representations of whatever showing up for different stuff i remember this years ago i was back","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"and so theres a gravity thats you know making you want to experience fundamental wellbeing a certain way instead of experience that more constricted state that goes along with where headless way usually put someone and you just have to decide you know im going to ignore that gravity","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"fullness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"im very joyful like everything is like dreamy joyful and warm and loving","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"location 5","label":16,"label_text":"loc5+"}
{"text":"so would it be accurate to say that when youre there your sense of what you are is that presence of fullness pervading everything","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"happy kid","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"emptiness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"single positive meta emotion of love","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"seems as though youre perceiving times and we do it visually and auditorily just because thats clear as a bell perception wise you dont have to wonder about things like sense of self or any sort of words that can be squishy you know either its visually or auditorily perceived that way or its not so it seems like you know you had three distinct experiences visually one is of a locus of a seer behind your eyes sort of the standard thing that humans have which arises especially with thought and stuff like that and then one that can also arise it seems like when youre thinking but that is aware of everything is just arising visually but there is a sense of well its arising out there and im here and its arising out there kind of thing those are both location one type experiences","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"deeper into layer three","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"i dont think a lot of people would necessarily use those words okay some people use them and sure think if you if you have the experience in a very complete way which means identity has shifted into being that all pervading field of presence um then probably if you read that you could be like okay i could describe it this way um but awareness is a very its a very general term and some people will use that to describe layer two or so","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"when did you transition to fundamental wellbeing","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"a correct choice or path in every situation","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"joy bliss and sometimes just expansion like really just limitless expansion and letting go of","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"flatness","label":29,"label_text":"lay4"}
{"text":"layer one i will feel that my thoughts are very real my problems are very real and theres a lot of dangers in the future","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"but its definitely in the direction of layer four and in the direction of location four","label":15,"label_text":"loc4lay4"}
{"text":"a finder cannot feel merged with an outside force like god if s  he is experiencing nondual perception because the person would not have a sense of anything existing outside of him or herself to merge with","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"nonduality","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"they are also less likely to actively call up as many memories as they did before their transition","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"and then goes up to layer two in location one","label":1,"label_text":"loc1lay2"}
{"text":"responsibilities in my life","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"right and so you know thoughts are completely real the divine is completely real when youre experiencing it from my perspective right its almost like youre taking some sort of filter and youre blocking access to things and then when you remove that filter those things are still there just because you are blocking access to things doesnt mean they actually go away it just means that youre turning a blind eye towards them you know it just means that youre sort of filtering them out and not observing them thats a very unusual perspective within fundamental wellbeing","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"i think i remember reading your childhood thing and your pastor thing um let me said it felt like getting lost and ending up on material earth so thats you know that can be in the direction of it for sure but that can also just to some degree be a finder thing as well in some cases even as early as location one","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"empty","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"no not that and because youre defaulting a lot to layer one","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"focused","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"nondual","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"so you know you said that layer three maybe sounded interesting","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":" you know a lot of identity built up in your system around layer three versions of fundamental wellbeing","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"and so you know and even like you know its not often that someone uses the word felt like hell right being constantly frustrated upset at everything you know as a result of the intensity of you know trying to reprogram your system decondition your system you know all of that and so clearly youve got a lot of stuff down there at layer one that that wants to anchor you there","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"just get a sense that maybe i should do that you know maybe thats what the system needs um it seems like systems fundamental wellbeing systems do","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
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{"text":"in location three there was a certain clarity that i dont have now because it was like less commotion or deadness because like the love would infuse every thought so a thought would come up and instead of me where i am right now i dont want to deal with it it would just be like oh its okay its lets lets just sit with it and the loving feeling would just infuse every thought and then certain judgments that id have oh well i dont really need to look at it that way i can well i can just put love in this or i can just love it so that that id say that was like the most stark contrast","label":9,"label_text":"loc3lay2"}
{"text":"certainly that doesnt preclude you working on layer three","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"emptiness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"from layer three most of the time","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"in contrast the location three type qualities are more related to the obviously that meta emotion so love joy compassion particularly if they have you know the more impersonal qualities of those","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"goals can abruptly change or remain the same out of habit or after careful reanalysis","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"being nondual","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"and what youll see is if you were to just take those instructions and then just view them as more of a longitudinal practice eventually you would sort of systematically work your way through everything all of the memories you would even eventually get to the point where youre working on the self to some degree which might be a little trickier for you in location two obviously those instructions are designed for people that are not in fundamental wellbeing","label":22,"label_text":"nfw"}
{"text":"often feel that they dont commit much information about their daily life to memory","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":" it infuses experience most of the time","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"emptiness of vastness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"you say the sense of presence that is calm vibrant and alive can be like a loud silence theres a sense of electricity in the air for some reason its much easier to notice in a natural setting outdoors outdoors with your eyes open it seems to hang in the air with my eyes closed its very hard to describe theres a scintillating energy that is in my body but not defined by the edges of my body no boundary has a sense of aliveness it feels like an energy field its like a constant hum like the hum you hear an electrical station its a metaphor of course it doesnt literally hum when i focus on it i start to notice a feeling tone it has a joy and a positivity a contentment warmth glow","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"that s kind of pushing you back into your default because youre not sinking into those experiences and the question isnt necessarily putting you straight into like layer four where theres no self whatsoever","label":29,"label_text":"lay4"}
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{"text":"i was bouncing back from location four i feel peaceful","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"and so perhaps stillness or silence is one direction spaciousness or that sense of it containing everything everything just arising spontaneously within it whatever it is","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"m starting to play around with the space between objects so that just to see how if i can move the perceptions it seems like this is all it seems like its all new to me","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"i would also be very surprised if as part of this process you werent also getting glimpses of time and location three","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"a place of like a deep safety","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"i think i was doing 45 days so that was like two years ago","label":24,"label_text":"tfwc"}
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{"text":"location 4","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"i noticed you said in some moments the center of a hair seems to fall away and a pervading boundaryless field is weakly present everywhere so it does sound like youre having a centerless layer three deeper layer three experience sometimes","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"emptiness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"things are rewiring at that level and the sense of self is being somehow pulled out of all of that you know and in such a way that even if you go back to like location 2","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
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{"text":"so possibly in that direction thats one of our qualities that we look for for a very deep experience of layer three yeah its clearly somewhere deeper than what youre usually access in terms of having the greater sense of serenity or stillness and feeling just generally more like present theres","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"spaciousness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
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{"text":"no motion no love","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
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{"text":"i think yeah its more like the things are there and i can also when i close my eyes see colors or just theyre just there its not not its just there i think there are times during my day when that shifts or changes when im really engaged in work or something but right now it just feels like its there","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"modulation of joy","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"divine love","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"so if it were like for instance location three layer two you know it would be a spacious emptiness mixed with the divine or the panpsychist presence or whatever which is kind of a distance from god you know kind of a separation in a way","label":9,"label_text":"loc3lay2"}
{"text":"stillness does it feel like the spaciousness contains everything or where is the spaciousness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"it does actually go back to layer two","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
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{"text":"and then you reference location for for like days off like walks in the forest parks","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"layer two that thats spaciousness of that distance","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
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{"text":"seems as though youre perceiving times and we do it visually and auditorily just because thats clear as a bell perception wise you dont have to wonder about things like sense of self or any sort of words that can be squishy you know either its visually or auditorily perceived that way or its not so it seems like you know you had three distinct experiences visually one is of a locus of a seer behind your eyes sort of the standard thing that humans have which arises especially with thought and stuff like that and then one that can also arise it seems like when youre thinking but that is aware of everything is just arising visually but there is a sense of well its arising out there and im here and its arising out there kind of thing those are both location one type experiences","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"i dont think youre going to have any issue being a highly experienced divorce attorney in location three","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"of joy or is it the aliveness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"big distinction is often in the sense of whether or not there is a union or a merging or a dissolving into or a sameness or you know and and no difference from and i am sort of you know that presence that shows up you know you know to borrow your word from a minute ago channeling jesus you know you know is you know is is there a merger or a union with jesus","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"and now i think you you know its given you access or just as a function of deepening and fundamental wellbeing whatever it is it has given you access and produced a shift to the to deeper parts of fundamental wellbeing","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"still experience a range of positive and negative emotions","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"experience of spaciousness that youre experimenting with the sense of some emptiness that you can get when you close your eyes","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
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{"text":"it sounds very plausible i think being lonely is one thing if i just sit there in my apartment you know and become more and more still and around boredom or being boring","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
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{"text":"they often value helping others and work to maintain social graces that allow them to do that","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
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{"text":"a subjectobject split or individuated sense of","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"sort of then the fullness can start to come in","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"thing that individual sense of self you know that has an identity at layer one even in location two","label":4,"label_text":"loc2lay1"}
{"text":"that can be useful to give you a sense of what to sink into um and yeah totally if you think you had a sense of union there at that retreat then when youre working with layer three","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"location 2","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
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{"text":"so it s lately it s when things are quieting down so it s so the last two weeks it has been very very busy so it s ive been more in location one","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"and i was thinking oh right you know im not seeing my therapist im not doing emdr for a while maybe this is when ill do the three weeks in location four","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"and it also sounds like youre able to shift your sense of self into layer two with some focus on layer two and really sinking into it","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"and id say like the joy maybe not as much the compassion but really that it was like the joy kept coming out","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"and so in location three there is and youre going between the two most subtle possible places you know potentially location wise","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
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{"text":"just everything and this happened to me like every time im sinking like deep","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"that sense of being presence being presence and being everywhere","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"so in the fullness just feels really full","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"into your you know move into your phobias around all of this stuff right got it and those phobias you know i often tell people theyll see if you watch some of these videos youll see me saying this you know that includes location one as far as im concerned","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"i have no idea but i sense sound that doesnt appear to be audible to other people right so its not coming in from here but when im zoomed out im aware that even in these spaces that i move through where think the typical word would be silence theres actually booming sound theres maybe sound isnt even the right word maybe frequencies i dont know so i feel less confined when it comes to processing sound","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"youve already won the lottery your system is wired for it youre deep in it you can go to you can experience layer one and","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"of feel feel a bit more emotional for some reason like like when you say that when you know","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"and so thats a way that at any given time you can sort of see where youre at see where your progress is going in terms of locking in location two if you want to lock in location two you know or go in the direction of remaining more nondual and its just the pure perceptual sense of it both auditorily and visually","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"former sense of self that fell away","label":16,"label_text":"loc5+"}
{"text":"location 2","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"but location four feels very dimensional compared to location 7 or 8","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"i just see things as thing nonliving material","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
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{"text":"i think sometimes i glimpse location three every couple every now and then","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"yes so it not lasting long that isnt necessarily an indication of it not being location four because you could have just had a temporary experience of location four","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"there is a sense of an allpervasive consciousness what philosophers call a panpsychist experience","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"a sense of pervading fullness fullness that permeates everything you say you often have a subtle sense of this sometimes so subtle that you wonder if youre imagining it","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"location 4 appears to be a logical progression","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"problem at its level if that if that actually is its level if you have access to a greater range of fundamental wellbeing thats outside of it sort of like its better to pick meditation methods that work on the brain not in the brain","label":24,"label_text":"tfwc"}
{"text":"deeply into nonduality and location two","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"but it certainly sounds like for at least a lot of or most of your life youve been in fundamental wellbeing and that actually really changes the patterns of fundamental wellbeing um because you know ordinarily people go through a certain range of development as an individualized sense of self and then they transition to fundamental wellbeing wherever they transition however they transition and in a way those patterns that were laid down during the individual during the time pre fundamental wellbeing in a way kind of standardize the developmental track across people that are in fundamental wellbeing after that and so what we find when people have been in fundamental wellbeing for their whole life is that its its a bit like the wild","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
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{"text":"its not necessarily because its temporary and because the reference point is remaining at layer one um its kind of its not necessarily reflecting on and deepening into the sense of actually being that all pervading presence even though that is your subjective experience if i ask you about it yeah","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"you have an opportunity to communicate to your system that youre a little bit more friendly with leaving access to layer one","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"so the reason i say mostly is because i have had deeper experiences of the nonduality so even the nonduality i feel now theres still because i have deeper experiences of it i dont know if probably deep deep location too because there was still a little agency or emotion or maybe just temporary elements of going further theres still my system just still sees that theres still that like within that nonduality theres still a duality","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
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{"text":"like ill do if im trying to do location three at the same time i guess thats why you guys recommend just devoting","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"freedom and exploration or whether its around a sense of really getting to a place where it doesnt matter where im at um or to a place where its like okay this is the sense of fluidity","label":13,"label_text":"loc4lay2"}
{"text":"the access that where im at in fundamental wellbeing you should come","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
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{"text":"weve heard bliss weve heard pure bliss weve heard pure joy um","label":1,"label_text":"loc1lay2"}
{"text":"emptiness or spaciousness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
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{"text":"peace continued to deepen","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"so so the negative thoughts will stop and the negative feelings will become sensation and and not its not that uncomfortable anymore i can stay with the sensation for a long time","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"awareness layer or in the in layer two were just going to well call it layer two","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
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{"text":"yeah so that definitely seems like a good direction for this this the next two weeks or whatever since were working on layer two","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
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{"text":"try to see if you can get an identity of you as being that sense of presence and you know infinite field and you know all of that","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
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{"text":"the spaciousness of it sounds spacious or feels spacious yeah it just feels stupid i guess we need to like wire me up to some kind of in some neuroscience lab and see if i have if im showing the right activity and inactivity in the right brain regions that would actually be interesting corroborating evidence i dont know how i would match up and maybe this is all totally diluted and ive never been in fundamental wellbeing and have you know this ambition thats expressing through my fabricated experience anyway","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":" its very good its sort of distracting me and pulling me out of one of the physiological responses that seemed to go along with my own deeper dives into fundamental wellbeing at the time","label":25,"label_text":"tfwp"}
{"text":"advocate going to location 4","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
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{"text":"its kind of like its always there regardless of the type of nonduality","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"but initially it seems like there s just no possibility from location seven of any duality or any further deepening and then that happens and youre just like that sounds like location eight and that s definitely a place that s very hard to function from people that are there persistently or basically attended to","label":16,"label_text":"loc5+"}
{"text":"think with pure peace just the calmness there would be more spacious calm stillness","label":1,"label_text":"loc1lay2"}
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{"text":"ability of the thoughts that did remain to draw","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
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{"text":"so even in fundamental well being its so funny","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"they may still be working on environmental causes and can be very passionate about helping others reach fundamental wellbeing","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"like when i met when i meditate or if i do someone noting im always saying im being being a lot","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"and also just um like kind of steering it away from the location for qualities of like samples","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"yeah its this sense of aliveness its kind of like its kind of weird to say but theres just like a towel hanging in front of it on the chair like in front of me and it seems like it is becoming alive in a way im sure you heard a lot of things but its kind of like this towel is alive like in a real sense like smiling at me i dont want to sound too crazy but there is like a communication going on and not with words and not like something here and something there but just this sense of everything becoming more present a strong sense of presence","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"the direct experience that it is all just one thing and is all unfolding","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
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{"text":"so i think exactly what youre saying you know we can generate a looker if we want to or that sense to some degree probably not a full on looker but we can generate that sense to some degree its usually on the weaker side compared to when it was the iron grip of our perception and thats fine you know that allows us to know that its that the hearing you know allows us to know that its most likely nonduality","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"meta emotion of love joy passion","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"its likely that there is a mechanism in the brain that is responsible for this form of learning","label":21,"label_text":"loc5"}
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{"text":"so you might be more in that direction in the sense that you get that profound sense of peace and very little affect in that deeper place in layer three in location two then then you know and thats thats fine but if you want the love joy version of it um you may need to either try to bias your system in that direction by you know seeing if you can call up the love joy sort of qualities that tends to be a little bit shallower in layer","label":10,"label_text":"loc3lay3"}
{"text":"would call divine is this presence and with that is that love and joy and compassion","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"and then i usually become aware of some some sort of tension somewhere in the body and then as i keep my attention it just starts releasing and thats and so that experience makes me think that its its assuming that this experience of relaxing releasing conditioning thats so so i think thats the conditioning that keeps me in that layer one and","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
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{"text":"so lets see okay so for example im looking at the computer screen so the nonduality like the location to nonduality","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
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{"text":"but that person also had the access still had access to location one","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"so did it have a sense of senselessness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"pulled back to probably layer one","label":4,"label_text":"loc2lay1"}
{"text":"presence would generally be more layer three but can absolutely be layer two","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"sensation which is separate to other universe mind bodies in a sense this is where ive got to be very careful because you know with the with the medicine journeys like the and i dont know whether this is the different like layers locations and so on but ive had so many different experiences there","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
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{"text":" i think it feels like the the sounds are just there there is always conceptual layers of like oh this sound is from here this sound is from there or this sound means that but if i try to go as deep as possible into just the sounds it feels like theyre just there its not yeah that doesnt seem to be im also trying to like remember what it was like before then there was a like a specific or here i cant really recall that that experience so nothing to compare to","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"its more like spaciousness and yeah when im deep in there its like im this space im just this space and everything is arising in it even me","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"if you the degree to which you want a lot of fluidity is more or less the degree to which youre willing to resist various gravities that show up at different points in fundamental wellbeing","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"who have moved back and forth between locations often observe that each location brings a distinct flavor of truth","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"i would describe myself now as a presence","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"is your body located in the fullness and the hows that hows it spatially","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"from close to that place and kind of maybe sync zoom in a bit but you can essentially live probably a lot of your life from a place like that","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"i looked into a bit of attachment theory and then i so i sat down the first of the month you know to do the exercise you know i literally got an airbnb in the forest for a week and said i would just go through the finders book go through the wheres the locations book and just start writing stuff down so i started writing stuff down and then i kept just getting super triggered so i just took a pillow and i just like hugged a pillow for like ten hours a day for the whole week and i think it was must have been an attachment theory thing because when i started feeling safe certain triggers started coming up and then boom instead of the trigger you know me like going into safety mode it just ended up releasing and then i must have been a week ago found myself in location three four and you know not for a few minutes but for a more consistent period of time a couple of days so now i think im a little further back down in location two later three","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"it feels very still and also very spacious","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"and so for that reason you might be interested in restoring some fluidity to layer two","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"that sentence is like textbook location for um you know context","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
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{"text":"so we narrow it down to location two its that easy","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"layer three can be a passive background to the activity of layer one","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"i still have a strong sense of a of a role to play in in the world in my in my marriage in the work that gina and i are now doing together you know im not im not ready to quote unquote retire you know and and just retreat from the world so thats thats probably the main concern and as i as i shared with you i think in an email you know some of the things you shared about the far locations you know from location three layer three they dont sound better it sounds like wait a minute im going to wake up tomorrow and im not going to have any love","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"if that was in location two they often did that because like they were just trying to avoid slipping back into into location one","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
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{"text":"so its just that sometimes i just call it a timeline its like this timeline thats happening but it doesnt its not exclusive in any way because thats at a really low level that its happening in order in order of oh event thought decision action","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"yeah it could be if you feel that theres a sense of something you know in your head or behind your eyes thats looking out and stuff feels like its out there rather than it all just being one field of experience thats just youre just showing up um that would be more like location one","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
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{"text":"even bad memories are often biased towards positive emotion","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"i dont think a lot of people would necessarily use those words okay some people use them and sure think if you if you have the experience in a very complete way which means identity has shifted into being that all pervading field of presence um then probably if you read that you could be like okay i could describe it this way um but awareness is a very its a very general term and some people will use that to describe layer two or so","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"location 3 a sense of deep connectedness and union enter the picture","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"awareness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"the idea of spaciousness or is there an analog in your system in terms of the idea of silence","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"it doesnt sound like you have a very clear memory of that experience of union or dissolving into the divine so it might still have been location two","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"a new form of humor begins to emerge","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"okay great so thats our main test for nonduality its very clean you know its just straight perception there isnt some question around some how does your sense of self feel or something like that nonduality is a perceptual thing so it can be tested with perceptual means so we know now that youre at least in a nondual location it sounds like you have some range of emotionality you talked about how they drop off quicker but theyre obviously still present","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"location 4","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"range of emotions these individuals experience becomes increasingly positive and negative emotions become less frequent","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"my guess is that youre more rooted in location two than you think","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"sense of fullness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"it can be very very powerful so thats also something that even just spending three weeks in location 3rd may do a lot for your system because that sense of divine love to experience that is very","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"i dont have so many self referential thoughts so it s more like an a general experience of what is happening it s not so much more that i think about what s my own agenda there is i think there s less agency as well","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"its the latter its become the spacious emptiness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"those are those are such subjective qualities that dont necessarily apply to layer four um and so but lets go back lets go to lets go earlier here and make sure that you know you really are switching between location one and location two yeah thats a little unusual so lets make sure thats happening you actually feel like youre at times when youre in the world your system is literally going from our our nondual perception tests right which involve like a looker in here","label":7,"label_text":"loc2lay4"}
{"text":"all pervading presence","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"youre sort of going between location one","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
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{"text":"so it sounds um definitely you know interject if this doesnt sound right to you um were just trying to make sense of your way of interpreting your experience and and languaging it but it does sound like your attention is much more on the space essentially or on the the emptiness surrounding objects of perception or the space between them and because your attention is much more on that the spaciousness is almost like more in the foreground or more what your attention is centering on than the things and so the things kind of are in the background you could think of or more backgrounded than the spaciousness which produces you know this focus on the spaciousness or the emptiness in which everything is arising","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
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{"text":"and its almost like im getting round up im getting corralled into being a me as the thoughts come and so theres no me at all when i wake up and it gets created so thats very clearly not there when i wake up","label":1,"label_text":"loc1lay2"}
{"text":"it sounds like its clearly location to to me without that sense of self behind the eyes thats the easy one it is funny how the self is bothered by its own return thats kind of entertaining isnt it its just never happy its its not happy when youre trying to make it go away its not happy when it comes back its just generally not happy","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"i think you know exactly where youre at from it and where stuff is going to unfold for the course","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"and its almost like im getting round up im getting corralled into being a me as the thoughts come and so theres no me at all when i wake up and it gets created so thats very clearly not there when i wake up","label":1,"label_text":"loc1lay2"}
{"text":"fundamental wellbeing","label":24,"label_text":"tfwc"}
{"text":"sense of spaciousness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"you know the mind and it operating in the mind is essentially operating from the perspective of there being a body you know or a system that is individualized that needs to function in an individualized way to operate in the world","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"you could say like layer three","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"lots of love","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"location 4 finders who experience this in committed relationships are equally fortunate","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"so you might even have conditioned your system to perceive it that way because youve used it as an access point for layer two by paying attention to the space rather than the content of the space","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
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{"text":"it can also produce a profound sense of foundational and interpenetrating spaciousness","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
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{"text":"so those other components are potentially there that you know can sort of come together into that composite of into that composite emotion for location three","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
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{"text":"finders emotional content varies despite their reduced charge in location 1 memories still have a mix of positive and negative emotions associated with them","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
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{"text":"and in layer two um theres more spaciousness theres less of when you look through your eyes theres not a sense of identity anymore more of a sense of spaciousness yeah","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"it takes an event of significant magnitude or the triggering of very deep and strong conditioning to make a dent in the continuous experience of location 3s dominant metaemotion","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"i would say i am still in location one because it can be press down and can read there are times that i need to kind of call it forward to kind of regain my equilibrium","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"spaciousness and stillness and emptiness qualities","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
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{"text":"when combined with the deep sense of truth that typically accompanies location 3","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"awareness field like presence stillness the vibrancy so theres just the fullness of course so","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"spaciousness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"layer one might be in a more of a foreground on top of that but its within the container essentially of layer three in that circumstance","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"youre in location three i mean like you know is it bad to be more generous in a therapeutic environment you know with yourself or you know with your caring or whatever else no its not so thats fine you have one of those professions where you can be anywhere","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"call 3d normal processing its also habitual it helps me make sense of other experiences and it feels really very grounding that i can im more think when im when im using the physical eyes instead of other ways of seeing i its easier to to be with other people and just navigate this existence but dont identify right it doesnt feel like the sphere is personal but it seems to be a way to to use this physicality","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"love love love love love","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"so in layer two i think sometimes im affected by my sister has also taken this course and her descriptions of that sense of unity","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"so just just put it off for a little bit the location free stuff even if its for like a day or two or a week or whatever it is","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"emptiness in a way and a degree of sort of stillness and silence that is more rooted in somewhere in layer two","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
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{"text":"or even location four","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"in layer three that youre able to access now and really sinking into those as much as you can um do you have like can you sink into the direction of that meta emotion like are there qualities of love joy compassion that are accessible to you in layer three","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"totally minimizing every ounce of time that they have around you know other people and not you know really talking to them that much and not doing any other activities or whatever else they can you can actually become very highly social from a fundamental wellbeing standpoint","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"transcend","label":29,"label_text":"lay4"}
{"text":"how you describe layer two which is more like that field of nothingness the spaciousness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
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{"text":" i came across this this test on your website that is like asks ten questions and then tells you if youre in the middle of being or not and i remember at the time i was thinking that im probably not in fundamental wellbeing because i was just going through all this heavy conditioning that i was working with and it just wasnt fun","label":22,"label_text":"nfw"}
{"text":"but the vibrancy and the richness and the aliveness and fullness and all of that are qualities of layer three those really fall away layer four","label":29,"label_text":"lay4"}
{"text":"fluidity is the natural thing in fundamental wellbeing","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"if you went in the direction of location for fire location layer three of location two um youd sort of avoid those and really sink into the center looseness stillness silence really dissolution of any sense of self","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"layer three","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
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{"text":"the thing the thing to keep in mind is that for a system for a layer for location four especially but youre sort of close enough you know youre like a hair away from the thing type system what reading those books will do is basically prime you basically primes the system","label":15,"label_text":"loc4lay4"}
{"text":"like no sound at all","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"richness of layer three","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"d say is pretty or really the dominant state unless i really focus on location one and even then","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
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{"text":"i think spend as much time in layer two as you possibly can regardless of where at","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"spaciousness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"so theres been plenty of time for for a lot of deconditioning and reconditioning to happen even at layer one","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
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{"text":"layer three of location two is where i want to be","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"layer two it relates to the sense of the spaciousness being everywhere being everything","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"like im actually experiencing some of that right now im experiencing some of that anxiety right now i feel it like theres some sort of its like a performance anxiety kind of thing","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"absolute","label":16,"label_text":"loc5+"}
{"text":"the big one of course is you know one kind of meta emotion that feels like a combination of love and joy and compassion could be some other things mixed in there depending upon life and cultural circumstances and all of that","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
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{"text":"location 2","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
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{"text":"an all pervading field of presence or beingness that feels profoundly rich complete full alive","label":10,"label_text":"loc3lay3"}
{"text":"im more on layer two feeling the spaciousness i think this was for sure the main place i was at and also looking to get to where when i was like in layer one mode and this is what i was looking for","label":5,"label_text":"loc2lay2"}
{"text":"and so you know and even like you know its not often that someone uses the word felt like hell right being constantly frustrated upset at everything you know as a result of the intensity of you know trying to reprogram your system decondition your system you know all of that and so clearly youve got a lot of stuff down there at layer one that that wants to anchor you there","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"nondual perception","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"i think you have to be very careful in taking a peak experience from prior to fundamental well being and trying to sort of parse it and find sort of different aspects of fundamental well being in it because youre bringing the and its its its everyone does it i think you know that has had these experiences that what sets us off on this journey right i mean these temporary experiences whether they were in drugs or whether they were just happening out of the blue for someone theyre often sort of what sets people off on a journey like this","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"i think maybe skip straight straight to the sense of fullness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"not a divine type of love","label":9,"label_text":"loc3lay2"}
{"text":"remain aware of the fullness of the bliss of the expanded ness and simultaneously exercise the mind to be lucid and articulate and rational and logical and effective without leaving the bliss and the expansion and the and so forth","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"recently some christian finders have started to discuss it for decades the noted catholic mystic bernadette roberts 19312017 documented some of this later territory because she found it largely lacking in the christian mystical literature her writings catalogue a personal struggle to make location 4","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"i think i think the anxiety is is kind of a negative emotion that invades the emotionlessness um also some in trying to figure this all out im interested in knowing to what degree this is influenced by trauma whether its avoidant attachment style it feels like a lot of this stuff is vulnerable to kind of pre trans fantasies so is this transcendence or is this just trauma you know am i am i checking out in a dissociative trauma induced avoidant attachment space or am i spread out across the universe how are they the same how are they the different different my own explorations of trauma is i hear from people that are close to me notably my wife that she thinks that i have lots of trauma in my system but when i go look for it or try to treat it i cant find it you know i can do emdr till the cows come home and it doesnt touch it which tells me well is it really trauma or not so you know im very confused about all of this so i just wanted to inject that into this space to","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"i do but its but its very sort of quick and quick and its","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"impersonal emotion","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"instead a very different truth might emerge to take its place","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"so thats awesome um and then beyond that you are interested in potentially also getting fluid to location three","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"their sect","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"aliveness centered in your body","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"stillness","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"fundamental well being feels like resisting","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"i must have progressed into layer four","label":29,"label_text":"lay4"}
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{"text":"but i can see layer one acting i can i can see the mind doing its things of analyzing and planning","label":0,"label_text":"loc1lay1"}
{"text":"layer one more accessible strangely","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"layer four felt normalized in location four","label":29,"label_text":"lay4"}
{"text":"sounds like a good direction to sink into","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"i can get in touch with spaciousness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"layer three feeling permeates through that um and i guess the very act of investigating it also shifts my experience of it in the moment","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"most of the time youre probably going between location one","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":" i have very little emotion now apart from you know just a lightness um dont really get angry even if i if something upsets me its over almost before it starts um i dont really get attached to anything ive lost a lot of sense of memory or worrying about the past or think about the future im much more in the moment um and id be tempted to say location too except i dont have that nondual aspect i dont feel like ive got that i dont feel that theres someone here really i know that theres no one here like an individual entity watching but it still seems like theres a center here so if i look back i cant say yeah its its difficult to and i can step away from that as well so i can see it myself arising and i can see whatever else is arising as well so for example when i wake up in the morning there is no me at all its just quite nice very pleasant just sort of feel myself sinking into the body feeling the sensations and then it might be a little while it might be i dont know its probably only minutes but you know then a thought will pop up and then it kind of another thought and it might be about yesterday or tomorrow","label":1,"label_text":"loc1lay2"}
{"text":"union with the divinegodetc","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"you can really focus that towards location three so that means focusing on the location three type qualities","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"so and then in addition to other more percent changes in perception and a very deep layer four type experiences that youre reporting","label":29,"label_text":"lay4"}
{"text":"emotion","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":" some christians feel that judgment is a better descriptor than compassion for that facet of the emotion when one really digs into how they mean judgment surprisingly it looks very similar to what others describe as compassion","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"then initially it was like dismissed that was reflecting","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"so if layer three hasnt been doing it for you if its its almost too far away","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"how deep you are in layer three","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"full related space or a more emptiness related space or something like that","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"i remember then i can sense the presence as initially as one of the objects that is in and then i have to sort of relax","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"layer three seems to come up only after ive like relaxed enough to let go of that conditioning so like i would sit for ten 15 minutes and then i feel that all these sensations in my hands my head my legs usually are they just dissolve and theres nothing left and then there is just like oh there is this peace and everything is just perfect and i dont really get that fullness experience but maybe thats just a semantic thing but there is a feeling of joy and just a flow and everything is just amazing and nothing really bothers me","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"emptiness in a way and a degree of sort of stillness and silence that is more rooted in somewhere in layer two","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"there is one noticeable memory issue that seems to be a reliable and genuine deficit while most common with location 4","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"that fullness","label":10,"label_text":"loc3lay3"}
{"text":"default is more silence and more peace and more distance from thoughts and emotions you might be rooted in layer two during those times","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"what about the the the stuff in layer four like a sense of flatness of perception the sense that theres sort of just this","label":29,"label_text":"lay4"}
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{"text":"you know dont bring in any mental analysis in any layer one type stuff","label":0,"label_text":"loc1lay1"}
{"text":"should i just focus like only on layer two for like a week or two or and then its like trying to because maybe im trying to do too many things sometimes","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"a panpsychists an all pervasive consciousness","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
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{"text":"i think it also sounds to me very likely we can dig into it a little bit more but it also sounds to me very likely like you are experiencing layer two","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
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{"text":"yeah right not sameness in that sense right sameness in the sense of the the presence that that is experienced here right and so from a layer three standpoint theres some kind of presence and all pervasive presence theres generally that emotion or theres different layer in location three theres always that emotion","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"when you just upset at it it does a little bit like it didnt at first and that question sort of made it feel there was a connection or merge","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"many different potential trajectories within fundamental wellbeing","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"from layer three or layer three","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"location 3 has love that tends more towards the latter","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"to location two","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"and if weve asked things and youve been like oh it is actually everywhere and it is actually quite centerless so its heading in that direction","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"emptiness seems to come further down the line and so if spaciousness is there a little bit more present in the experience and you can remember instances where you shifted into and would have said","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"location one tends to kind of get yeah gets orphaned left behind","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"this further deepens and increases their immersion in the present moment","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
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{"text":"location two where your negative emotions drop away","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"but the shift into layer four is you know it can be an intense one and it really is very different than everything that comes before it and so you know lots of strange things can happen on the way to it in the direction of it you know sort of associated with it um and its possible that when you felt like you had made progress in that direction and then you had this other sort of experience come in that it was you know just one of those types of things in that direction","label":29,"label_text":"lay4"}
{"text":"what im wondering about your description there is whether or not one couldnt describe that as still some spaciousness that youre rooted in in terms of maybe not as deep as other spaciousness that youre experiencing but it doesnt sound to me like youre you know very deeply embedded in thoughts and emotions","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"subtle nonduality comes more to the foreground in location to","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
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{"text":"i do have a fullness sometimes of more bliss yeah and it can be very little things i can see the sun coming up and shining through through a window and the sun the light catch something and it just it makes me feel really happy inside yeah","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"in layer three there can also be that emotion that shows up thats like a combination of joy and love and compassion with any one of them forward at any given time and often theyre perceived as the same or qualities of the same something you know field or whatever and so you know when asked people generally wouldnt say well no those those emotions are different from the presence","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"but now if i feel into the spaciousness it doesnt have boundaries it doesnt have it doesnt really end no so the space seems endless","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
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{"text":"i think i remember reading your childhood thing and your pastor thing um let me said it felt like getting lost and ending up on material earth so thats you know that can be in the direction of it for sure but that can also just to some degree be a finder thing as well in some cases even as early as location one","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"like even when there are like some thoughts and things happening around me and its like my my awareness my attention is more on the silence","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
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{"text":"so the existence of everything is more fundamental than any experience of it","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"your is getting a lot more freedom some of those types of things are bubbling up more than they would otherwise","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
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{"text":"three felt presence divine like an undercoating of divine right and three three was full on god is the construct right god is everything its like part of me its im in this im in the soup im in god soup","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"we find that they can often pull people out of fundamental wellbeing so thats not the best idea weve had a lot of people report that the first time we had that reported was we were running one of the first founders courses and it was during burning man burning man hit in the middle of it burning man as you can google it if not yeah its sort of a psychedelic ish festival in the nevada desert yeah and you know we had a bunch of people that had transitioned to fundamental wellbeing before burning man they went to burning man and ingested a bunch of drugs and then fell out of fundamental wellbeing and had a hell of a time trying to get back","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"location one im a little more worried about my life my health people around me those those thoughts come up more yeah like those are the thoughts my internal dialogue","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
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{"text":"environment under trigger its more like 11 and then kind of off on my own doing my thing","label":0,"label_text":"loc1lay1"}
{"text":"attention to when things like the spaciousness and the shift of identity come in around spaciousness and things like that right","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"youre getting a glimpse of layer three and location one","label":2,"label_text":"loc1lay3"}
{"text":"and thats why you know i understand that this is a very challenging place to be at and you know its its a big its its a big decision and it takes a lot of dedication and what i you know i have in general as a person i have a very deep drive to do some certain things like a strong really deeply rooted sense of purpose that that im not sure where its coming from i really have ive really dived into it and felt into it and done a lot of inner work and it doesnt seem to be coming from like neurosis or that kind of thing at least not anymore so for this stage of my life and for this point i feel like theres some things i need to do in the world build and whatever and and so for this stage it would be really nice i mean if you ask me three three years ago when i did a founders course and i would have said location three thats thats what i would like to be at","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"sense of an all pervading field of presence or fullness or silence pervading everything field of silent presence whatever um it can be a field of aliveness but its a nonphysical experience or non sensory kind of perception","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"that wouldnt have been completely common because i think in location four you do have to be careful of your unconscious biases","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
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{"text":"theres a awareness thing through well its not even that its less than that its just whats seen and i dont even know what that is because when thought is taken out of it theres no no location theres certainly no me in here and there and theres no attributes theres no colour theres no shapes i mean they are there because we can describe them as that but when i come back into really question what is there oh theres just this and the same thing goes with the center of the body which fall into the spaciousness it becomes even seen ive just noticed how in itself is a is a vibration i never knew a character is seen i always thought seen was vision but is vision but theres a sense the way it comes through has nothing to do with anything except its kind of a vibration happening and thats what it feels like to me anyway and thats open up seeing because in that is the emptiness in a certain way theres nothing here enter the void and yet when its infused with awareness it opens up to oh well this is it this this this and theres a fullness there so i dont know if thats helpful in","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"its very rare you know its not one of those things that one runs across very often i mean i would be surprised if we run across 100 of them probably at this point out of 10000 people that are in fundamental wellbeing its","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"since 2017 was when i did finders course and transitioned","label":25,"label_text":"tfwp"}
{"text":"um and then because theres enough of the mind of the mind or layer one still active and still kind of youre still associated with it that its kind of like reacting to its own perception","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"and so if youre deeper in just the spaciousness and youre really sunk into it and whatnot","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"rather than just having a really deep experience of layer three in location two where theres still nondual experience for divine","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"i was on the cusp of getting into an accident and i had to i had to i had to concentrate my my energy really quickly and this happens when im when the body is is moving through space often when im driving or when im walking um or when im floating in water the dimensionality just well there are different experiences sometimes it stretches sometimes it just goes flat and i cant figure out where i am i cant triangulate a physical location and when that happens when im driving its really unnerving it happened it happened this weekend i went to visit my daughter at her boarding school and she was in the vehicle with me along with two of her friends and that flattening stretching distending started and so you know i remember i remember focusing all of my energy on","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
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{"text":"you still have of course the habits the habit pattern and your attention system that is pulling you back to layer one","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"but in layer three it does become infused with more like again this bubbling energy with this joy and more softness its also a kind of openness but its more communicative with the environment its like more sensitivity and more energy and it can turn into joy also and gratitude things like that","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"feeling increasingly comfortable with being spaciousness instead of being a body mind","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"infused with the divine essentially","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"and from there you can also see layer one theres a very good connection between layer three and one and location two","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"i think it s layer three because of the intensity of it the intensity of the feeling which is im not sure if it s an emotion of love but it s really this intense connection you can say or compassion with others as well","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"i was reading a book describing someones experience at the time that was a type of unity experience um i feel instantly when um when i finished that book that or midway that book that something happened that i experienced a stronger sense of oneness which was the focus of the book and i also experienced the absence of the boundary and that lasted for a few months until from march to september i think","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"facets such as love are felt as divine or universal or at a minimum impersonal","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
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{"text":"they feel value laden and quite arbitrary distinctions um mm theres just a sensation that well i know that this this body can die right i know that awful things can happen to people that are in my circle so havent lost that perspective but at a at a really eternal indestructible level i dont think any of those words actually matter theyre theyre not dont have a a frame of reference for them","label":10,"label_text":"loc3lay3"}
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{"text":"couple of times passing through location six where she passed out","label":16,"label_text":"loc5+"}
{"text":"some deal with lowlevel processes such as how the senses come together to create experiences and even fundamental body life support breathing heartbeat etc","label":21,"label_text":"loc5"}
{"text":"often this sense was in the background","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"what you what youre describing by stepping back may be placing more attention on the layer two qualities that are also in your experience or it might be some shift in terms of where your sense of self is centered","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"and so in your case its probably not that youre jumping suddenly over into you know location three","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"location four and that kind of process","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"least spaciousness still from location one","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"so if layer four there would be no sense of a container its not happening in anything theres nothing within anything so theres no sense of like that all pervading presence thats not there theres literally just this","label":7,"label_text":"loc2lay4"}
{"text":"layer one is the the well you know the motivational speaker whos whos in fundamental well being","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"individuals who initially land in location 4 as their first experience of fundamental wellbeing generally report a great deal of automaticity and obviously didnt develop it as a habit","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"yeah its more like location one","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
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{"text":"towards what im going to call heart and","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
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{"text":"obviously there is a locus for the scene and for the hearing but you know youve been through that before with many people","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
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{"text":"a person has been in location 4 for a while that same freedom from approval the elimination of conditioning around social norms and other key elements of this location often make it hard to establish longerterm and more meaningful relationships","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"you know there are other side benefits you know its but one of the benefits of that system is the authority associated with it you know having someone say okay now this and feeling a sense in the system very much like a christian does and turning something over to jesus or turning something over to christ or something like that right so its up to you to do that in this case and youve seen this a million times and people who have come to you you know hoping to transition to fundamental wellbeing theyve got to give permission to give up their old life","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"in layer three there can also be that emotion that shows up thats like a combination of joy and love and compassion with any one of them forward at any given time and often theyre perceived as the same or qualities of the same something you know field or whatever and so you know when asked people generally wouldnt say well no those those emotions are different from the presence","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"i am just used to like a more dead version of layer three in location two","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"so you can use this both with hearing despite hearing loss doesnt really matter or with vision despite more visual acuity from the hearing loss doesnt really matter you can use this to determine basically where youre at in terms of location one","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
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{"text":"i think because it it felt like theres this like almost cold empty space and a kind of clearness to it by just like a lot of like it empty empty is what it feels like empty","label":5,"label_text":"loc2lay2"}
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{"text":" it was like that in the sense that they just fold socialization in you know they dont totally isolate themselves","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"contrasting that to previous experiences of being triggered can be earlier in fundamental wellbeing could be before fundamental wellbeing or whatever","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
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{"text":"i refer to these as facets of a single metaemotion","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"youve been fundamental wellbeing so long","label":24,"label_text":"tfwc"}
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{"text":"itll move as you as you sink in but just what you can do is is sink into that experience and really let your system recognize that theres an entirely different experience of what you are or of being than there normally is and while the personal self is you know temporarily either in the background or dissolved there is still beingness you know its not like youve ceased to exist and so you can just let your system kind of recognize that what you are is more foundational than the the personal sense of self that can just fall away because that is already what youre experiencing its just that the recognition of it isnt necessarily happening at the deepest level that it can","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"one of the things that often hangs people up with the switch from location two","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"so lets see okay so for example im looking at the computer screen so the nonduality like the location to nonduality","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"layer three early part of it is more prominent which its full it overrides the consciousness emptiness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"i think its definitely more no emotion than any specific type of emotion but sometimes emotions arise like uh anger anxiety and sometimes affection","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
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{"text":"layer three in there or some fluidity","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"layer three type of more location three ish type of layer three type experience","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"and for most people that are in fundamental well being because most people arent in location four or later or the furthest highest possible reaches of location three where or location two","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
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{"text":"sometimes its so funny to see how no concept makes any sense anymore it brings the laughter sometimes i dont think there is this love there and theres really simplicity directness and peace kind of thing","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
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{"text":"depressed just prior to their transition its not uncommon for location 1 finders to just assume that something has occurred that lightened their load","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
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{"text":"finders who have children often say that their transition to location 4 didnt occur until they felt freed from the bulk of their parental obligations whether by the death of their child or simply the child getting married and beginning a family of his or her usually her own","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"they would be viewing layer one","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
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{"text":"no agency thing would continue on past location four on the path of freedom","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"nothing coming in my mind so im just being quiet unless im asked something","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
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{"text":"the mind it feels you know kind of much less noisy more quieter you know silent and still and some of those spacious","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"well im thinking of like two things now it was i did think i glimpsed location for for a while and there there there were no emotions like like at all uh and its very very quiet there and like i was yeah i felt like like like i was just or not even i but like whatever just being like thought it that way and then just being just doing things on its own and like theres no me anymore for a while so that one is pretty clear i think yeah there werent emotions in that at that point","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"just this like sense of energy thats aliveness and aliveness tingly aliveness","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"the access that where im at in fundamental wellbeing you should come","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
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{"text":"but basically you just kind of remember it you know or get to it however you can sometimes its just a relaxation in the system sometimes its an intense focus on maybe something like divinity that eventually just pulls one over into something you can sink into","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
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{"text":"layer one id say is more in the head theres more thoughts a little more noise too is more in the flow","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"it sounds more like containing","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"but it very much could be location three and just exploring it think worry you know if something happens","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":" the primary qualities of location three are sort of that one dominant emotion one you know one emotion with three or more facets but at least three facets of divine or impersonal love compassion joy with at any given time one of those facets you know more dominant in ones experience","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"its like a its a way it can be a way of pulling your attention almost back into that more foundational layer of of awareness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"no it feels like its over there trying to poke in","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"the decision to move into these later locations is not to be made lightly","label":21,"label_text":"loc5"}
{"text":"or an allpervasive consciousness","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"location 4 individuals have reported shifts to twodimensional instead of threedimensional visions","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
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{"text":"and are often surprised by the words that come out of their mouths","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
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{"text":" im going to heal my emotions from childhood around my mother or something you know like theyre often used for today and so you know i think we do have to separate sort of a healing context for them potentially from a transitioning context so thats pretty fundamental wellbeing and fundamental wellbeing someone is new to fundamental wellbeing","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"youre coming up theoretically somewhere on the end of your first seven year cycle and fundamental wellbeing","label":25,"label_text":"tfwp"}
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{"text":"so just hold those descriptions loosely and when something you know shifts in your experience that feels like its in the direction of location three just ask yourself you know does it feel like its all one thing","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
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{"text":"um your system isnt necessarily recognizing that what youre experiencing is an entirely different quality of self um of what you are because its kind of like oh well selfs gone","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"but it is important to note you have little selves in there something is arising right back when youre at location one","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"but the main thing to to focus on would be to bias your system in the direction of location three","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"will there be a is there when theres a when theres a trigger and you go down","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"layer three in there or some fluidity","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"their levels of fear anxiety stress worry and","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"it all sounds like location four","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"is that the sort of location eight kind of direction that you re referring to there as the fringe","label":16,"label_text":"loc5+"}
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{"text":"term life stuff","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"the primary way of operating in the world comes from the perspective of this center which feels like a locus of self","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
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{"text":"this single metaemotion itself is a near constant experience and companion at location 3","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
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{"text":"well right now the conversation is happening in the presence the presence is the bigger thing so now im trying to remember like i think its the opposite way around so theres more sort of like i am the whatever that personality is or i sort of believe it more","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"i dont know that it was a rising in a way that you would have answered the questions that way during this interview per se but you clearly have a penchant for you know fluidity in general you know and you were able to detect oh wait a minute im getting a little too close in the direction of location four we dont want that you know it sort of you have enough sort of presence to be able to sense that kind of thing and generally thats the kind of thing that comes from someone who is used to having some fluidity you know its kind of a situational awareness if you will within fundamental well being in the same way that ordinary people have a situational awareness in life among different circumstances and stuff like that right and so im sure that theres fluidity here for sure but at least during this interview the way you described things the way you talked about things you know id pin it mostly at location two layer three","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"like you are entering layer two its completely missing and user interface but so there was like a real like shit kind of movement or shift from i am the thinker of my thoughts to seeing","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"emptiness or the flatness and the spaciousness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"basically you know some people systems inclined towards it some people systems dont inclined towards it um but its sort of smack on you know location two layer three type of experience","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"we havent heard anything i havent heard anything that you know sort of makes me think otherwise you know i agree it is a it is a bit of a hitch right because if you do mention that because of the strength of the habit and the system of the eyes and the looking out and the fact that that probably actually is how visual perception is working of course yeah um and all of that it becomes very easy to sort of reconstitute it but its its reconstituted typically in a situation like this in such a light way","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
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{"text":"i noticed like i was a little concerned when you said it might be location one im like oh no i want location two so there is this kind of things that come up all the time and even though ive become like really aware of them its just it just still comes up and i still experience it and there is like there is some a little bit of a feedback loop if there is some frustration with that oh again so thats that feels like layer one at layer two","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"lot of very positive experience it s there s a very deeply a lot of love and deep understanding as well for others there s compassion","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
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{"text":"youve talked about how the layer four is the most primitive part of the brain and and just the other day when i was i think having kind of a glimpse of it i felt more like a crocodile you know like like im just here like ready to you know eat whatever comes across my path and and thats about it you know im not im not like pondering this question im having right now about the human the purpose of my existence as a crocodile","label":29,"label_text":"lay4"}
{"text":"layer three is more like it feels like its this you know field of presence thats still and pervades everything infuses everything um rather than necessarily being the things you can get that type of experience but it certainly doesnt feel like its around things or its containing them it feels you know very clearly like its sort of yeah pervading everything","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"its there and location to layer three and then the personal side drops off and location three and then emotion itself drops off and location four and thats whats providing that richness you know of that experience and so its although there can still be you know a sense of presence found in the experience and stuff like that its like an alien type of presence compared to you know what someone experienced up to that and its going to you know youre typically speaking youre going to lose access to it in a matter of weeks and root more into just layer four and location four","label":15,"label_text":"loc4lay4"}
{"text":"but if not like the usual like in my daily life its more like layer one","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
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{"text":"of location two but theres still some sense of separateness there and then the third one that you experienced is classic you know nondual type of perception","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"i still get triggered","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
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{"text":"that makes sense still this feels really comforting so i wasnt really feeling it when i was feeling nervous and im not feeling nervous anymore but i think some nervousness kind of blocks me from feeling this really deep stillness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"youve seen me present it where someone lands in location one layer one","label":0,"label_text":"loc1lay1"}
{"text":"layer three or even location three","label":10,"label_text":"loc3lay3"}
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{"text":"the totality that was that was that was the experience","label":10,"label_text":"loc3lay3"}
{"text":"the reason for this lies in the brain regions involved and the impact that even rudimentary language use can have on the deepening process versus silence","label":21,"label_text":"loc5"}
{"text":"whereas in location to my internal chatter is very quiet and just i hardly notice it","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"we find that they can often pull people out of fundamental wellbeing so thats not the best idea weve had a lot of people report that the first time we had that reported was we were running one of the first founders courses and it was during burning man burning man hit in the middle of it burning man as you can google it if not yeah its sort of a psychedelic ish festival in the nevada desert yeah and you know we had a bunch of people that had transitioned to fundamental wellbeing before burning man they went to burning man and ingested a bunch of drugs and then fell out of fundamental wellbeing and had a hell of a time trying to get back","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"to me that would have been an obscure sounding address very recently but based on your work i would say that for the first time in my life hey ive got an address up here it was always general delivery up until this point","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"that you mentioned what sounds a lot more like a layer three type thing so is it a stabilizing and layer three thing and viewing other layers through that or is it a fluidity of experience","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"so its its subtle but theres definitely a distinct difference between those two experiences um of layer three","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"and when you have that shimmer is that happening in a state where youve got more access to layer three type qualities yeah like the warmth you described","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"but it a get deeper version of layer three its definitely been i guess enhanced or like shown what is possible and really just me seeing how much me being in location two later three is just kind of i mean the word id say is zombified like almost its easy for me to just sort of escape in that way and feel okay about it and then suddenly going into three three same thoughts same thoughts that would come up in vacation two that i would just escape from suddenly oh wow i have this extra feeling of love i dont have to leave i can just be here and oh they dont you know it doesnt get worse it actually just releases then i think what brought me down a bit the last few days has just been working and you know the casino environment is not even though ive been used to it its not exactly the best for deepening yeah so i think im literally like 29 like im just below the three and you know now i got the next week off so i think ill um go back into it i got this interesting thing called um a hug sleep so its basically an adult swaddle like um i dont know whatever they use it compresses you so you just sleep in it and it just feels like somebodys hugging you so that seems to be working on the attachment theory stuff","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"you know you never quite know how these things are going to play out when the jumps occur for the first you know times um but yeah theres theres heading in the direction of layer four and through it to location four","label":15,"label_text":"loc4lay4"}
{"text":"to me that would have been an obscure sounding address very recently but based on your work i would say that for the first time in my life hey ive got an address up here it was always general delivery up until this point","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"what im thinking im thinking the aliveness of of the sensation that accompanies thinking into layer two","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"what about a sense of being in union with something either the divine or you know like an all conscious presence of sorts but not being one with it not being it right yeah but being you know sort of increasingly merging in with it","label":9,"label_text":"loc3lay2"}
{"text":"you know thats cool keep in mind charmed life is a locking in of location to layer three","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"you say the sense of presence that is calm vibrant and alive can be like a loud silence theres a sense of electricity in the air for some reason its much easier to notice in a natural setting outdoors outdoors with your eyes open it seems to hang in the air with my eyes closed its very hard to describe theres a scintillating energy that is in my body but not defined by the edges of my body no boundary has a sense of aliveness it feels like an energy field its like a constant hum like the hum you hear an electrical station its a metaphor of course it doesnt literally hum when i focus on it i start to notice a feeling tone it has a joy and a positivity a contentment warmth glow","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"it feels like i am this empty space or openness i like openness just this openness kind of thing yeah","label":5,"label_text":"loc2lay2"}
{"text":"it feels like my bodys included in it like its much larger than my body","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"fullness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"spacious","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"background sense that things were","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"so in the fullness just feels really full","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":" something like just stillness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"deep","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"one thing to keep in mind about the descriptions of location two is that theyre not designed for people when theyre just first shifting into it","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"from layer one","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"about later locations five six","label":16,"label_text":"loc5+"}
{"text":"location three on a holiday for a week with your kids","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"that that seems to draw me into the present moment to stillness a sense of presence","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"it has taught us that social situations train us how to feel just as they train us how to think and act in so many other ways","label":21,"label_text":"loc5"}
{"text":"i do notice that when i do some deep work or i really go into that layer three experience that feeling will come you","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"these individuals are rarely aware of the degree to which this impacts their social life and connection to others they often feel that they have much stronger social bonds than is actually the case on the other hand they feel complete and have a deep sense of freedom and wellbeing so they typically dont care","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"location three its like they sink more into some aspect of the qualities that hold them in location three at at layer three you know and they dont quite get to you know the the progression from layer four and then location four kind of standpoint","label":10,"label_text":"loc3lay3"}
{"text":"thats sort of everywhere another thing that made me ask that is because your your description of layer three in your document relates to a very specific and quite deep experience of layer three where it does feel like a liquid or like this thick quality thats that is a absolutely layer three","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"theres a theres a lot of spaciousness and a feeling of a space of awareness in which thoughts emotions sensations perceptions arise and its very very much a default for me you know i dont identify necessarily purely with just the contracted sort of psychological inner being and a physical body i do feel more expanded and feel like all of the the whole the entire bubble of perception is sort of me or im made up of that same whatever that is","label":5,"label_text":"loc2lay2"}
{"text":"wonder","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"i wouldnt say there s been too much of a change in wellbeing","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"fullness in the spaciousness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"i think it just be like a little easier to just to stay in location two and just go to the layer two","label":5,"label_text":"loc2lay2"}
{"text":"and i liked your suggestion of start doing mini as youre walking around or driving or parked at the lights or something just do mini in and out too because with a strong layer one which i had for a long time i can see how i really need to be on the ball with this","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"awesome um so probably it would still be good if you feel up to to spend the next two weeks working on layer two just for its deconditioning benefits and increased flexibility in your system","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"like the qualities of layer two is just you know spaciousness or emptiness a sense of everything arising within it as it if your universe view feels like kind of this um all containing sense of this one thing thats just arising that is um i suppose if its layer two in essence it would feel somehow like it is the space within which the universe arises or that the universe is somehow composed of a spacious emptiness or that type of quality","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"it can be very very powerful so thats also something that even just spending three weeks in location 3rd may do a lot for your system because that sense of divine love to experience that is very","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"their emotional life becomes more and more positive and they can reach a point where negative emotions are rare","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"when you remember and theres presence which of which of these two things feels more like the case","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"divine","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"beneath that field of existence which is something like the universe or just reality that you may be having glimpses of or experiences of layer four","label":29,"label_text":"lay4"}
{"text":"fundamental wellbeing","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"layer one you can get a feel for is this a useful thing or would i prefer to have you know access to something like layer one from somewhere else whether a more awareness","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"it could also relate to your identity really shifting into the spaciousness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"like i might have been location two or something and then just like glimpse","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"spaciousness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"the conditioning definitely seems to be something that is keeping you anchored to a much more shallow experience of layer one","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"assuming that even experienced glimpses of it which i can barely remember and maybe i have it feels intuitively that location for allows for a more clear perception","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"later locations could be dangerous","label":16,"label_text":"loc5+"}
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{"text":"i think its predominantly a location to layer three im just thinking of like recent glimpses i think of being in union where like im just driving and and i just completely","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"i didnt like it but somewhere in that timeframe i just lost all concern for for speaking and i lost any need to prepare right come out of the management consulting world where we had dry runs of endless powerpoint presentations you know timed right","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"the attachment to them and specific outcomes in general is reduced","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"and layer one","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
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{"text":"location 4 finders either remain alone or learn how to respond appropriately so that their partner feels loved","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"i think if you can get that sense of self a bit looser from layer one","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
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{"text":"location 1 participants also","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
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{"text":"so id say for this weekend you know you can watch the layer two stuff play around with it if you want but probably or have more of an affinity to the layer three stuff","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":" yeah it was when my dad died yeah yeah and you know i was like crying but i was like well this is just love so this is okay i wouldnt say this is i want it to stop yeah","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"emotions","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"nonduality","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
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{"text":"thoughts an absence of certain types of affect","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"the reason i would call it nonduality is because theres a slight memory of what it was like to be dual and its almost like a faint imprint and its not i guess because its not there and theres greater connection almost like my eyes are slightly glazed over or like in like no subject object or out or less","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"layer two once where you felt you are the space","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
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{"text":"deepening towards location 3 will result in eventually reaching a point where negative emotions are only rarely experienced","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"when youre even when youre just using like if youre using for instance theres a method where like somebody just comes and holds you in a very loving way and eventually you find yourself sobbing in their arms you have no idea why youre sobbing and you know whatever else and its its just sort of this preverbal thing and theres really not that many people in the world that can even get somebody to you know have that experience","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"as long as you retain the ability to zoom in and","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"sense of emptiness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"little blandness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"the nature of self and other is much subtler in location 3","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"calm","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"i could i could fortunately i could stay clued into the to what they said and then id say something you know oh tell me more about that or you know that was all i could do i couldnt work out what i need to do with this client","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"the thing about all the things that youre mentioning is that they really you know for someone else could be something that might you know trigger them going to a lower location or something like that but theyre not necessarily things that would hold someone in a location you know like you can be in location one layer two as your dominant experience and still have you know triggers that pull you down to layer one or something but nonetheless be anchored you know at a higher layer than that or even over in location two","label":4,"label_text":"loc2lay1"}
{"text":"lot of love","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"well i guess its like at the same time i almost have a maybe the memories just coming in but like at the same time its like almost paradoxical its like its like within the smaller reality it is nondual and then at the same time i have the perception that that whole feeling is still dual because theres still a deeper sense of i guess nonduality there so its like appearing at the same time almost","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"attention to when things like the spaciousness and the shift of identity come in around spaciousness and things like that right","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"just not say a word oftentimes or whatever right and they would just eventually stop talking and to sort of turn around confused and walk away or something like that","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"so one of the few memories that i have held onto was the accident that i included in the material that i sent to you and annemiek","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"im not sure if you meant every single layer of of layer four for example probably more just like what makes sense and you say for that i need to get to location for layer four","label":15,"label_text":"loc4lay4"}
{"text":"spaciousness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"compassion","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"emptiness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"a few even seem to have maps that extend far beyond location 4 but these are typically kept hidden","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"result in those sorts of characteristics that we have listed underneath location two and the charts and stuff","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"alien","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"disassembly and reintegration","label":16,"label_text":"loc5+"}
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{"text":"empathic psychic stuff you say probably not related to fundamental wellbeing but who knows since i was a child i often knew what other people were feeling or thinking i assumed this is developed because it was needed to survive later as a pastor things like synchronicity and healing ministry played a big part right now i wonder what the relation is of these kinds of things to fundamental well being","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"i just am or you know whatever people however they kind of put words to that but youre describing it as well the self is just gone because your reference point for the term self is your ordinary sense of kind of individual or personal self at layer one","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"i mean its possible to experience like a fullness in layer two","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"but you talk about boundlessness you often talk about things like boundaryless boundaryless field of awareness you know awareness is a term that is more associated from our perspective with layer three","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"so its okay to give yourself permission for things like that to you know pnc does not fundamental wellbeing doesnt have to be about you know how far you can go with it","label":22,"label_text":"nfw"}
{"text":"its the its really the pervasive sense of presence and that and that fullness penetrating things and whatnot that were that were primarily looking for is the hallmarks more of a layer three","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"empty or full like the layer two","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"all right location three has the sense of divinity or panpsychists theres a sense of being in union with that um its that single emotion of joy love compassion maybe some other facets depending on someones belief systems or cultural underpinnings things like that whereas layer three is probably more of what youre thinking off layer three is more of that field like presence that we talked about i dont have to repeat it because we just did a video on all that","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"location three is no personal emotion","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"im there is just a much stronger sense of awareness and its much easier to get distance from from thoughts when im when im not really doing anything like i would like i would go sit and chat with a friend","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":" the absence of needing approval can cause location 4","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"i am just used to like a more dead version of layer three in location two","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"coincides with the fullness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"layer four is less than optimal for a lot of functioning","label":29,"label_text":"lay4"}
{"text":"presence here","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"this is a complete openness of everything that that that is happening around and just to complete okayness with that and trust that that things are just developing in the way they should and it s so less agency just happening and it s good to be there","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":" so like i tend to function at location one in the mind i think but but with the exercise that we did with the introspection exercise um i could sort of feel space around my body um and and or behind my body really like i guess ive got it written down here some of the notes i took um so im feeling of of existing beyond my body um especially the back of my body like the back of my body doesnt exist and this can change so it feels like my my body doesnt exist um can feel like the body this way and and our space im moving through the world","label":2,"label_text":"loc1lay3"}
{"text":"so you really want to be using your access to layer two you want to be trying to spend as much time as you can sinking into being the spaciousness when that occurs trying to get that to happen as much as you can trying to just sink into it you know put your attention on it sink into it communicate to your nervous system this is what we want this is what we want this is what we want","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"right and so you know thoughts are completely real the divine is completely real when youre experiencing it from my perspective right its almost like youre taking some sort of filter and youre blocking access to things and then when you remove that filter those things are still there just because you are blocking access to things doesnt mean they actually go away it just means that youre turning a blind eye towards them you know it just means that youre sort of filtering them out and not observing them thats a very unusual perspective within fundamental wellbeing","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"martinbeen built up in the direction of those desires and the motivations behind them","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"so possibly in that direction thats one of our qualities that we look for for a very deep experience of layer three yeah its clearly somewhere deeper than what youre usually access in terms of having the greater sense of serenity or stillness and feeling just generally more like present theres","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"if you if you really are if you say to someone who experienced that hey can you still you know find that in this composite flat experience you know its not that they cant necessarily find it its just its no longer something thats dominant in your the foreground of your perception that youre noticing like you would be you know at an earlier location that deep into that layer when that layer is more in the foreground and all of that","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"so did it have a sense of senselessness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"thing is possible its possible when i when i pay attention when i got triggered with negative feelings and thoughts when i paid attention that can be muted and and and the negative feelings become sensations only and the thoughts stop yeah but still i feel happy i may i may feel even a subtle sense of depression yeah so i kind of think im still i got pulled back to layer one","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"location 1","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"i actually lost it because i was revisiting the material and going to layer two layer three and somehow i couldnt i couldnt go back to to it","label":25,"label_text":"tfwp"}
{"text":"very profound neutrality","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"felt nice i was kind of surprised surprised at that point","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"and what youre describing there with that glimmer of agency sounds almost like you might be touching upon you know glimpses of at least of a form of location to um possibly location three but agency essentially doesnt return except in those earlier locations","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
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{"text":"thats more than enough for me to speculate that youre looking at or to diagnose or however we want to say it right to be very comfortable with the fact that youre and location two","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"and then theres like kind of cross into layer three it feels like it feels like its like like instead of silence things become a little bit more joyful","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"when you land in location five that youre basically playing with fluidity so you sort of laid down a track in a certain direction that your system might follow","label":16,"label_text":"loc5+"}
{"text":" bare stillness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"i developed a sense of that and now it just feels like life is so luscious like everything is just vibrating and rich and juicy and yum and and thick and delicious so almost overwhelmingly","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"charmed life maybe sounded interesting obviously those would all involve coming back from where youre headed","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"that distance is the way something can show up in layer two when people are especially screws with people who are like athletic and like you know play baseball or basketball or whatever else suddenly they sort of suck for a period of time because they you know their spatial perceptions","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"so i think youve got to one thing that you could really do in terms of doing yourself a favor would be to sink in and bring some new experiences that are in the direction of fundamental well being into these different environments","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"so i know what youre types of experiences so what you mentioned there really sounds like this location eight","label":16,"label_text":"loc5+"}
{"text":" but there can be a sense of that also without the medicine like this is my this is my universe view so this is my universe view and there are a whole lot of other universe views that im overlapping with so i feel a bit like a venn diagram where were creating some sort of joint reality the there can be a kind of a sense like that so i dont know whether thats more location to layer to sorry","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"so the fullness it feels like its flowing flowing flowing out of me and it feels really full","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"telltale mono emotion that is indicative of location three or if thats just merely a sensation","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"theres fullness at another point","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"less attached to the story of their life","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"manifested as an intuitive sense that there was","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"not a divine type of love","label":9,"label_text":"loc3lay2"}
{"text":"and so theres a gravity thats you know making you want to experience fundamental wellbeing a certain way instead of experience that more constricted state that goes along with where headless way usually put someone and you just have to decide you know im going to ignore that gravity","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
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{"text":"and then theres like kind of cross into layer three it feels like it feels like its like like instead of silence things become a little bit more joyful","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"complete simplicity","label":29,"label_text":"lay4"}
{"text":"and i can if i want to i can play with layer one more be more active with","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
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{"text":"boundary and location two is just like the state of missouri cant contain it its just the vastness","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
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{"text":"so what about a sense of spaciousness or emptiness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
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{"text":"presence you know all pervasive presence a fullness um one could say sort of an all pervasive field","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"its also hard for me to differentiate between this sort of universal love that i feel and im in this really deep romantic relationship with my wife of 45 years and i really love her and so a lot of times i think shes kind of like the focus of this overall love that i feel is she becomes like a focal point for it","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"to no center at all","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"yeah thats where the fear comes up if i can get over to location to layer two","label":5,"label_text":"loc2lay2"}
{"text":"emptiness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"was getting ready to say that then it felt a little more centered so so its either both or neither um feels like theres some fullness happening","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"staying more shallow you do increase your range","label":16,"label_text":"loc5+"}
{"text":"layer three presence","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"and i was thinking oh right you know im not seeing my therapist im not doing emdr for a while maybe this is when ill do the three weeks in location four","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"the first change well the two main changes as you notice is a more awareness of my thoughts and sensations so the more awareness of thoughts and just everything and also just being deeply connected to the body its like it feels like im shifting from being connected to the thoughts to being connected to the body","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
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{"text":"experiences of layer two um you get the the spaciousness and you also get a sense of emptiness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"centered form of experience","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"some eastern traditions also stop around this point while others stop earlier at location 2","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"things that sense of joy is very often more associated with layer three","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"more comes more to the forefront theres no emotion there","label":15,"label_text":"loc4lay4"}
{"text":"we dont know if its promising from a transition standpoint but we certainly know that its promising from a meditation standpoint and its looking increasingly like certain substances are going to match up to certain types of meditation and things like that and so i think theres a distinction between if one is doing it you know from a healing standpoint and a therapeutic environment of some kind or at a micro dose level versus just continuing to sort of you know flood the brain with some sort of breakthrough dose for some kind of consciousness expansion type of thing we we weve just seen so many adverse fundamental wellbeing","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"almost like a place of belonging","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"we havent heard anything i havent heard anything that you know sort of makes me think otherwise you know i agree it is a it is a bit of a hitch right because if you do mention that because of the strength of the habit and the system of the eyes and the looking out and the fact that that probably actually is how visual perception is working of course yeah um and all of that it becomes very easy to sort of reconstitute it but its its reconstituted typically in a situation like this in such a light way","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"no agency","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
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{"text":"a wonderful place to have a certain type of dark night of the soul you know as you might imagine i mean imagine instead of sort of the fullness of the presence of god you have an empty god you know a distant divine that type of thing right its uh its its its more fun than you","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"its also hard for me to differentiate between this sort of universal love that i feel and im in this really deep romantic relationship with my wife of 45 years and i really love her and so a lot of times i think shes kind of like the focus of this overall love that i feel is she becomes like a focal point for it","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"and particularly when you have a very strong catholic upbringing and then very strong couldnt be any stronger than that in the years that i was catholic","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"this can lead to reduced motivation to do things in daytoday life until a new","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"but that is probably aspects of layer two that youre sensing into um and you are able to when i asked you the question to you know briefly shift into a sense of identity as layer two as the presence","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"there s a lot of joy arising in location two it s one of the distinctive factors and i dont tend to notice i have days where im joyful and days where im pissed off and angry like ill have the whole spectrum of emotions and there s no obvious propensity towards joy that i notice","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"location for layer four is great if youre already independently wealthy and you can just you know go and be location four without a worry in the world","label":15,"label_text":"loc4lay4"}
{"text":"layer four is less than optimal for a lot of functioning","label":29,"label_text":"lay4"}
{"text":"you know you seem to have a pretty good penchant for a range and fundamental well being","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
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{"text":"god jesus or the holy spirit depending on","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"would mean a loss of self loss of the center loss of beingness um loss of ones own existence so um so yeah its its natural that your system would kind of pull back to even if its just the upper reaches of layer three where there is awareness","label":29,"label_text":"lay4"}
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{"text":"its probably like a layer like a layer two kind of thing","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"theres much more flow now than there used to be","label":1,"label_text":"loc1lay2"}
{"text":"analogies and putting others down","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"experience of fullness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"theres virtually no fear about the future which is not really good because i think i was motivated by fear and driven by fear","label":1,"label_text":"loc1lay2"}
{"text":"so when you say its in everything what qualities of it are you perceiving in everything","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"coming from somewhere maybe its moving in um mhm it feels more like a place where i can exist with the headache at the same time","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"they often speak about a shift in the relationship with their body and being less identified with and limited by it","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"headless i think that was probably the first time i encountered it doing the ruler experiment were they how far away is everything from you and then that sense that everything is just like a postcard its just perceptually here theres theres no spatial depth so like you know layer two that sense of spaciousness but then that collapses that just disappears its a perceptual flatness","label":16,"label_text":"loc5+"}
{"text":"news junkies may find themselves much less interested in the news","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"seeker","label":24,"label_text":"tfwc"}
{"text":"so when im in layer three definitely its full","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"spaciousness is always trying to get peoples attention and pull them back","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"im not sure how successful that will be because my spreadsheet mainly has where people are at not oh they were wrong about the fact that they werent in layer one","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"usually but not totally","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"fluidity and the highly sensitive person high absorption you know sort of sense is what im","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"fundamental wellbeing","label":24,"label_text":"tfwc"}
{"text":"it feels like like one little point one little point trying to poke into all the fullness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"or 3 briefly","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"including your focus on location to layer three","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"in all likelihood","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"foreground of experience nearly all the time","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"well theres lack of emotions theres the loss of any sense of divinity which is a huge thing because im ordained so that was a really huge thing you know i was in the ministry in the 70s then i went into the business world and i was looking at retiring and getting back in you know i was moving into that but then i kind of got derailed because with no emotions its a little hard to be a pastor so you know i kind of abandoned that so you know the no emotions and the lack thereof is quite a big thing","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
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{"text":"um i at least since i did find this course and maybe before then from other meditations like retreats or techniques","label":25,"label_text":"tfwp"}
{"text":"increase in freedom","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"i remember thinking like location two again using this model was nonduality","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
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{"text":"lets say its just an open space to me like its theres just if i step back so if im stepping back and just um saying if theres no thought if im if im not putting thought into it it just its kind of just is so theres not really a sea without thought","label":1,"label_text":"loc1lay2"}
{"text":" i think just like two times maybe um like exactly as described in the book just the spaciousness emptiness at one point became just fullness and but it only happened to me after like deep deep yoga and meditation like for a long time","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"guess its very interesting because the very act of me looking at it shifts what the perception of it mm if i if im just in it it doesnt really feel like its part of the field but if i step out of it maybe my system is slightly informed by deeper states so then it can it can just sense that sense of self that is there but when im in it i guess what im really in it where one is an active enough to really say oh there is that sense of self but so i dont feel it in the moment but i can still feel it when im investigating it or looking at it its like a more subtle sense of the entire experience is a sense of self because their deeper experiences that dont even have that element of that subtle self","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"quality of spaciousness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"emotion","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"i think youve got good access to layer two already and you can be fluid to it if you want to","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"its like it used to be like 0 to 10 and now its like 0 to 1 and then the emotions are experienced very directly through the body like the anxiety when i feel it its i just feel it through the body like i would feel some something in my arms and my legs or in my head there is no resonance from the mind there is no like previously there would be a feedback loop like there is some thoughts going in there feeling the emotion and then the emotion is feeling the thoughts and there is this loop and now occasionally with strong triggers there is the mind loop going there is some sort of dialogue but there is no feedback like that","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"paying attention to and selecting the choice that","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"moment to spaciousness emptiness was something that was maybe a little bit further down the road","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"stillness and silence","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"dual","label":29,"label_text":"lay4"}
{"text":"  but just sort of hold that lightly just kind of keep an eye on it sort of out of the corner of your eye you know and experiment for a while with seeing what do these deeper places in fundamental wellbeing do to those body sensations rather than bringing the putting your attention on them locking them in in sort of a heavier more focused way and bringing them along in sort of that heavier more dense way into this process that maybe doesnt allow fundamental wellbeing as you go to these more transcendent states in fundamental wellbeing to to to work more effectively on them because youre really locking them in and youre basically saying to these higher more transcendent states","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"there there is like a distinct sense of self there when youre in it","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"location 4 individuals can have difficulty finding and building committed personal relationships no matter how wonderful things seem to start the absence of love tends to cause the other person to drift away","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
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{"text":"i think it s further and i also think there are way more layers than four","label":29,"label_text":"lay4"}
{"text":"roommates and spouses can find what seem like irrational and imposing demands to be a common annoyance and their counter perspectives met with unyielding expectations by the finder","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"so if i do if i meditate in a certain way i have meditated and it happens and i drop into more of a kind of equalized more still flat perception i would say or just not not perhaps not maybe not flat but its like dropping into a different dimension if you could say that like thats not really its not about the physical that much anymore as much as its a different its like residing in a different field that is more quiet and peaceful and if i sink in in my day to day life i can also go go pretty quickly to that straight away actually but i again i guess i choose not to because again somewhere along the way i think one of my teachers emphasized also feeling the fullness but thats analysis for something else but yeah ive experienced that quite a few times","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"what about the qualities that are associated with layer three","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"um the you know the sense of the divine can absolutely be there in location two and layer three the sense of fullness the sense of presence um all of that can be there so those arent useful differentiators um the primary thing to look for would be the core characteristics of location three in contrast to location two rather than looking at the characteristics of layer three which are the ones youve listed","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"the love is infusing every object but its not i am not fully the love but everything i would look at would have an infusion of this love feeling","label":9,"label_text":"loc3lay2"}
{"text":"yeah it is so this this stillness is a bit more still like the presence sort of is like it was like a like you know with it wasnt quite still but it was a bit more still in fullness or much more still in fullness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"the other thing to do would obviously be to use your past experience of location three if it was location three to sink back into that so you want to tell me a bit about that experience","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
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{"text":"you know whats interesting is it feels it feels like this might sound kind of weird it feels full on this side and it feels spacious on this side and it feels um","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"single emotion and it feels like love and joy and compassion and maybe a couple of other culturally or religiously conditioned things","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"without that sense of you know a looker and all of that its and self behind the eyes and all of that its you know its going to be location too so we know were in location two which is what i would expect","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"pulls you out of location two","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
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{"text":"emptiness doesnt resonate at all","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
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{"text":"you know dangerously out of location two","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"spaciousness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"  wanted to share it but it was just so so beautiful just everything shining with love i mean it was just so im im hoping thats going to be my hook into into location three and then i honestly would love because you know i would really love to be able to serve them all go everywhere but i do have to and thats really not advisable at this stage is it like in terms of making a living and and staying","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"location 4","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
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{"text":"you have a very undifferentiated experience of presence and of layer three","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"i was going to i was just thinking about i was just going to say it feels like there feels like expansion within the fullness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"fullness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"shallower form of a similar","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"um then layer two can be very powerful for that because sometimes","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
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{"text":"work on negative condition","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"so you said that you werent sure whether at times your you were viewing layer one","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"yeah i would think probably not too it can really feel like a return to layer one if youve become more established","label":0,"label_text":"loc1lay1"}
{"text":"fundamentally okay increasingly came into the","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"i feel like normal","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"no agency","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"with recalling memories that related to their","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"even as a conversation changes and and so theres this tremendous freedom across these identities is like a freedom from identity to some degree","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"sense of spaciousness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"if you have a sense of whether or not you want path of freedom or path of humanity","label":16,"label_text":"loc5+"}
{"text":"more through layer three","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"and a sense of separation possibly creeps in you know in the middle of the city its hard to say its not as intense i still do feel connected but not to the intensity as when im with the trees","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"but location four deepens and layer four","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"just sort of working on our own fundamental wellbeing so to speak exploring our own awareness and consciousness and all of that","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"location 4 there is typically no experience of emotion its easy to understand how this might cause relationship problems","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
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{"text":"but its almost like it has no interface to the conditioning at layer one","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
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{"text":"be more deeply engrained though they remain less attached to outcome","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"for the most part you might be touching on you know an aspect of layer three if theres really a strong sense of aliveness thats not just in the body but thats pervading you know that spaciousness or that space so the space has a quality of being infused with aliveness if thats your experience then that may be touching on you know beginning to have a smear of layer three","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"fullness or that beingness from a layer three standpoint","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"be like it was before it could never be because that was out of fundamental wellbeing to begin with","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
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{"text":"layer three thing when the center falls away","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"location 2 reported it as a more complete","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
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{"text":"location 3 individuals can make amazing partners especially if their fundamental wellbeing deepening did not occur in isolation","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"three that comes from personal emotions at layer three um","label":10,"label_text":"loc3lay3"}
{"text":"because memories so rarely arise for them it can give the appearance that lifes events arent being stored","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"this can lead to increased isolation that is selfimposed but viewed as more desirable than having a lot of story driven","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"but from a location to perspective and especially a layer three perspective things like that make make perfect sense when youre glimpsing in to layer four","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"im just checking because that would be a quality that that you can definitely deepen into to bias your system or in the direction of location three","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
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{"text":"also really just making a very hard and stressful and abrasive work environment slash job feel completely fine","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
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{"text":"i would say not divine um because i think i have a past experiences with divine that really the way i describe that is like almost something pulling me up from the sky like trying to pull me towards it like whether its outstretched hands or just that presence but this was not that this was im sort of on the same in the same field on the same level as everything and the love is sort of just all around","label":9,"label_text":"loc3lay2"}
{"text":"have aspirations of going to something like location two","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"as part of the transition process","label":16,"label_text":"loc5+"}
{"text":"you know shift me in there or if i should focus on the love feelings first and then","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"memories spontaneously arise less often","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"no experience of","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"location three is also very good for deconditioning because of that really very profound universal quality of love it tends to really be very healing and spending some time there will probably also be very good for you if youre working with a lot of conditioning and also the personal emotion that it cant really show up in location three","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"the senselessness at layer three and","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"when you say luminosity what experience","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"yeah it is so this this stillness is a bit more still like the presence sort of is like it was like a like you know with it wasnt quite still but it was a bit more still in fullness or much more still in fullness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"you know youve had experiences that are and nonduality and all of that","label":25,"label_text":"tfwp"}
{"text":"four so the information on the layers was just me edging out for my peace palace from location four you know annemiek said something about locations it didnt really occur to me that you could change locations that quickly you know you used to have the fluid four and you had the concept where you change locations","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"it freaked it literally freaked her out and so we had this conversation about this type of thing and so shes shes a christian for sure but not a location three christian you know shes a high sort of location you know layer three type of christian","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":" i think it feels like the the sounds are just there there is always conceptual layers of like oh this sound is from here this sound is from there or this sound means that but if i try to go as deep as possible into just the sounds it feels like theyre just there its not yeah that doesnt seem to be im also trying to like remember what it was like before then there was a like a specific or here i cant really recall that that experience so nothing to compare to","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"moment to spaciousness emptiness was something that was maybe a little bit further down the road","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"it seems endless it seems you can go endlessly into that","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"its just like a sense its like how far into that do you sink do you","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"it doesnt feel differentiated but like it doesnt feel like theres too much of a differentiation between me and the room and so the aliveness that i feel inside of me and my energy i guess is yeah i dont i dont see a clear distinction between that and whats going on around me","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":" from a location two perspective","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"and thats makes perfect sense to me because the gravity is really to those elements of layer three and location three you know right","label":10,"label_text":"loc3lay3"}
{"text":"resonate with the sense of freedom that is typically associated with location for","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"but then also you know in location for theres no sense of agency and theres sort of you know in the public its a very much a smear between what these things sort of mean","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
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{"text":"it sounds a lot to me like youre rooted primarily in layer three as your dominant layer","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"you know your thoughts and emotions that are sort of seeing a glimpse of spaciousness or something from where theyre at it sounds more like youre rooted in a stillness and a silence and a peacefulness a silence and a peacefulness are the words that you use that has you know more spaciousness from thoughts and emotions and like maybe your you know accessing layer one more","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"i started noticing you know the the feelings of uh the feelings of in some of the stuff which ive talked about today but combination of piece and things are going to be okay","label":24,"label_text":"tfwc"}
{"text":"freedom","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"there is fullness i do experience fullness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"i was still a very tightly wound type","label":22,"label_text":"nfw"}
{"text":"youve got another direction you can use to sink into nonduality","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"pre fundamental wellbeing and you think about your sense of self right now in this moment","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"no individualized sense of self no selfrelated","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"doesnt feel empty or in the beginning it can feel like the emptiness is sort of infused with presence or beingness or fullness um some people might describe it as an aliveness but it doesnt feel empty any longer","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"single positive emotion","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"but you know the nature of the thoughts like if im to compare myself to ten years ago you know the nature of myself is very different its theres not really a tangible self per se theres no voice in my head or like not really many im not really interested in narratives or not many narrative thoughts going back to me its just not something im really drawn to yet i do think about life situations i do analyze things i do make plans theres just not so much backward looking activity in that sense so yeah i can go on","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"its just like a sense its like how far into that do you sink do you","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"i can play such a good game of a location two layer three but it doesnt it doesnt necessarily feel like its authentic i can model it i can get people there i can like give them their little charmed life and like","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"even if you were to go to a you know a more heavy layer three experience in location four you know the definitions and feel and sense and what youve abided and up to this point its like a night and day difference from a layer three perspective","label":14,"label_text":"loc4lay3"}
{"text":"definitely a sense of spaciousness and stillness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
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{"text":"radiance or fullness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"very common and totally understandable from a fundamental wellbeing standpoint","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
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{"text":"all pervasive consciousness","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
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{"text":"id have to be quiet still and not doing anything and take some time to just bring my attention to it you know and it might take at least ten 15 minutes just sitting still just to get that get more to drop more into that sense that this is me","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"it could also relate to your identity really shifting into the spaciousness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"spaciousness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"lets say its just an open space to me like its theres just if i step back so if im stepping back and just um saying if theres no thought if im if im not putting thought into it it just its kind of just is so theres not really a sea without thought","label":1,"label_text":"loc1lay2"}
{"text":"no agency","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"so it sounds like at some point in your process of deepening youve actually shifted to location two","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"silence is another big one","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"stillness or spaciousness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"and so thats another practice that you can just keep doing you know see exactly how deep you can get into stillness on the times when youre sick and tired of trying to widen out the aperture or look at what else might be happening just sink into stillness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"you can have a lot change in your state of consciousness in terms of your sense of self in terms of a lot of things related to fundamental wellbeing without realizing it you can even have emotions fall away and suddenly at some point you realize oh theyre all gone you know when that happened and it can have been you know some weeks sometimes um so yes and you know any of these changes can happen without them appearing dramatic or sudden or even being noticed immediately so definitely dont discard your experience or expect you know if theres some significant deepening that has to happen in that way it usually doesnt um okay yeah thank you okay well your experience sounds sounds like layer two","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"love","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"out instead of feeling and presence feels no quieter or calmer","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"it is possible that less detail or fewer memories are being stored","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":" life seems to simply be unfolding and it feels like there is no need or ability to take action or make decisions in this location goals dont seem especially relevant though things continue to get doneone issue that can occur at any location on the continuum for new finders is a lack of motivation","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"could that possibly mean i was in location one","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"include very lowlevel brain processes","label":16,"label_text":"loc5+"}
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{"text":"you describe it as a joy a positivity a contentment a warmth a glow","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"between now and once upon a time prior to fundamental well being is that it was a zoom in all the time and thats where identity was always located","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"presence here","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
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{"text":"thats kind of i suppose you could think of it as a very shallow experience of layer two certainly because you have sense of spaciousness as well sort of crossing over into layer two","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"emptiness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
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{"text":"location four you know youre just sort of watching your thoughts","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"real the self","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"location two layer three you might find openings especially through that joy over to location three and you can see if that makes sense","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"emptiness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"the level of stillness and silence is just like you know another magnitude beyond whats there in layer two so when i feel that it feels like i am that new level of stillness in addition to all the pervasive stuff thats going on too so i think im actually getting there and not sitting back and saying from this spacious emptiness im aware of this other stuff thats going on out there and yet its more still than it was a couple of minutes ago before i made the shift","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"but if youre not quite like quite there yet it seems that you can go to location four and then you realize that oh you know things are great no matter the the income","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"if you wanted to see if you could go in the direction of the celestial one thing to do especially sort of from location three which is kind of an ideal spot is to really put your attention on sinking into just that divine aspect and sort of an increasingly transcendent part of the divine and so if you imagined some sort of more in the direction of layer four","label":29,"label_text":"lay4"}
{"text":"experiencing the positive emotions","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"vision stuff and all of that obviously sounds dead on","label":16,"label_text":"loc5+"}
{"text":"location 3 does not have this divine component for everyone","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
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{"text":"all pervading quality","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":" im going to heal my emotions from childhood around my mother or something you know like theyre often used for today and so you know i think we do have to separate sort of a healing context for them potentially from a transitioning context so thats pretty fundamental wellbeing and fundamental wellbeing someone is new to fundamental wellbeing","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"nondual location two and where your eyes are open it sounds like the tendency is to pull more towards location one but not entirely","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"sense of spaciousness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"default is more silence and more peace and more distance from thoughts and emotions you might be rooted in layer two during those times","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
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{"text":"despite these reports none of this seems to impact their ability to perform at very high levels","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
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{"text":"still in the habit of laughing at a broad range of things especially in social situations","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"it does actually go back to layer two","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"you now see the spaciousness and its even more spacious and even more just infinite","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"let s just assume for purposes of this test that you are actually in location two","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"when i had the shift in the fundamental being it was pretty dramatic actually i mean dramaticbut it was very noticeable","label":24,"label_text":"tfwc"}
{"text":"and youre using the method that gets people to location four so think you can safely take that to be location for what pulled you out of it","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"mind","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"think of spaciousness all the time","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"when youre in location four you give yourself a little bit you know more likely access to path of freedom versus path of humanity","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"mean all of these things can also be location one you know you can feel a deeper sense of peace you can feel a very strong really foreground sense of peace in some instances all the time even in location one you know if you have somebody thats been in location one for a long time they didnt have much to decondition before and they havent been in it very long but they just dont have a lot of conditioning or didnt have a strong sense of self to begin with","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"you know less freedom but better slightly richer whatever more some love whatever experience of the path of humanity","label":10,"label_text":"loc3lay3"}
{"text":" you know a lot of identity built up in your system around layer three versions of fundamental wellbeing","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"like layer three is sort of you know fluid but its sort of like i dont know lounging around its like sort of there but in more of the location three state it was like it was almost dancing","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"self and the center both fall away","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"are there no emotions that are brought up around this","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"what about emotion you know from a layer three perspective","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"as someone grows up in fundamental wellbeing and anybody can be anywhere in between you know those two extremes you know youve had a corporate job youve done other stuff so clearly youve been able to function just fine you talk exactly like id expect you to talk in terms of you know these are just shows i put on for other people or basically and theyre kind of automated shows at this point they just sort of come on when they need to come on which of course they would by this point","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"ive actually one benefit is that ive got i have my anchor or my hook for location three out of it which just happened recently just pure pure holiness","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"presence","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"layer two is a sense","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":" its more of an active a location three is more of an active merging of me with this great greatness rather than the nondual of its all this right is that im understanding correctly","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"then your description of location four sounds you know it sounds like location four you know no sense of self no sense of agency no emotion um it sounds like you probably did have a glimpse of location four","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"freedom","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"but at the same time it had some of these nondual qualities","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"location 3 involves","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"super joyous and love","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"location 3 only one dominant emotion is experienced","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"theres very little layer two in it have you ever had an experience that was solely layer two you know like really just emptiness without a sense of fullness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"so theres just these ranges of different types of experience and theyre all you know theyre all perfectly fine","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"reported that it still had significant effects on","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"nonduality","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"think of it this way a normal person believes they are their body because that is what they can feel control the motor actions of and so on","label":21,"label_text":"loc5"}
{"text":"its just one of those words that just just completely sticks out you know i was reading through your document and you used it pretty early on in your document and i was like crystalline interesting you know and then i get to the sex section and im like okay and then i just keep going and youre walking through the progression of how the divine has showed up over time and its like check right and then we get to the point where youre talking about your your perception of the divine in retrospect from this new you know its like check","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"or maybe it also is slightly experiencing it but not mostly in my conscious perception um but its so heavily infused with layer three that that muddies the waters","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"so its always functioning from a kind of separate perspective if youre paying attention to it","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"so pure peace would be have less energy in it less uh because to me peace is more restful whereas this does not feel russell has has energy and its so for pure peace as far as pure joy","label":1,"label_text":"loc1lay2"}
{"text":"mix of personal and impersonal emotion whether people can sense that or not depending on how deep they are","label":14,"label_text":"loc4lay3"}
{"text":"no self","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"nondual type experience","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"you cant find any emotions you cant find a sense of agency","label":16,"label_text":"loc5+"}
{"text":"so theres a clear understanding that that its location to lay or to but at the same time as im looking at the computer screen theres still a slight sense of me looking at the screen but its like this me is a greater me than the location to me so like the location to me it is sort of merged the nonduality","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"most of europe around the barrio in the room or if im at home theres you know theres theres trees in the garden i look outside the windows and and it goes a bit further yeah","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"infinite field of pure potentiality","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"more comprehensive form of nonduality occurs at this stage","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"positive sense","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"spaciousness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"joy","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"as the phone is gone you now your stomach again its just like are you the body you know and all im trying to do is see if there is some actual fluidity here of identity or if generally speaking youre rooted in you know layer three and all of this other stuff is being experienced through it and i actually view the sinuses and the nervousness and all of that as a great benefit to have in this session because its kind of an extreme of sorts and so if you still have the fullness during those then we can say pretty confidently okay youre probably pretty well rooted in the fullness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"the main thing was a sense of a kind of strong gravitational pull","label":10,"label_text":"loc3lay3"}
{"text":"being beingness or presence or the divine","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"unity","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"or 3","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"so it kind of felt like that after enlightenment that everything is just perfect nothing bothers me and everything is easy and i can do anything and","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"location three","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
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{"text":"any sense of stillness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"probably layer two is going to be inaccessible","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"aliveness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"my favorite definition of illusion is that its something real that appears to be something else other than what it is so its real smoke and mirrors that the magician uses to create the illusion that they just saw the woman in half you know so so thats kind of interesting perspective on it","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"freedom the piece mainly that its so peaceful","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"obviously more union with god is better within a worldview that is seeking it so it is not surprising that they would value this location more highly than earlier or later ones","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"you can just go straight from layer one to like a deep layer of you know location two in a very brief period","label":4,"label_text":"loc2lay1"}
{"text":"location 2","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
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{"text":"sense of self","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"i would encourage you to not be communicating to the system that any aspect of fluidity is bad even location one","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"spaciousness never really resonated even in jazz emptiness well just theres silence","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"can you can you find the compassion element you know and the current layer three experience you know when youre and when you look at love and joy and compassion are there is there a relationship there in the current location to version of the experience","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"the first change well the two main changes as you notice is a more awareness of my thoughts and sensations so the more awareness of thoughts and just everything and also just being deeply connected to the body its like it feels like im shifting from being connected to the thoughts to being connected to the body","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"there s still a lot of thoughts that i have they are not so much in as as they were when i when i was not in fundamental being","label":22,"label_text":"nfw"}
{"text":"fullness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"thats certainly possible i can understand you know a sense of aliveness in the body right being comingled with an aliveness with sort of the aliveness as one of the words or one of the one of the aspects of the sense of presence","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"this is a stillness for","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"or maybe it also is slightly experiencing it but not mostly in my conscious perception um but its so heavily infused with layer three that that muddies the waters","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"sometimes emptiness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"there was no agency","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"location three brings other ancillary issues with it","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"everything just shows up","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"like that state of like everything is just great everything is just perfect like how they say before enlightenment","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"spacious emptiness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"and no apparent sense of agency or ability to","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"layer three in a sense theres i was just having a friend dinner with a friend last night and i said the one thing even layer four i said i which is where i investigate i still have a thing of i care about what people think about me and i say that theres no self well thats just silly but the conditioning and ive looked at it and done spend time with it and its almost laughable in a certain way the way it arises i can see it and i kind of laugh at it but it still shows up so in some sense theres some sense of emotion around that you know so i say yeah so theres what it is for me is freedom um thats why i even say low layer four early location four yeah all of that you know it just continue to deepen and free this to be just whats here","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"if you were going dual when you were into layer one","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"there an experience of the divine in that centered spaciousness","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"however if i dont really have to i can sink in pretty deep but i think i can reach into layer three of location two","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"no agency","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"and does the vast stillness have any quality that you would describe as spacious or um empty","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"lovebased facet may feel like divine or universal love or simply impersonal love","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"than location two","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
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{"text":"pervasive consciousness","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"popular term for this change in perception is nonduality or not two","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
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{"text":"joy or love or any emotional components","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"to layer one function","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"until recently suddenly theres been a rise in some sort of emotion which im just a little perplexed by you know and theres times when id actually be crying and have absolutely no idea why i was crying you know so thats fairly recent thats the last few months before that theres really no emotion you know","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"sense of merging","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"love and compassion","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"its the its really the pervasive sense of presence and that and that fullness penetrating things and whatnot that were that were primarily looking for is the hallmarks more of a layer three","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"a lot of deconditioning can happen at location three so thats a bit of a magical deconditioning spot for sure","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"infused with a panpsychist sense","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"two would be you know vast spacious emptiness and i do experience vastness you know if i close my eyes and just go inside thats something ive felt for decades but i dont know the yeah im just confused about presence versus the presence of fullness versus emptiness i dont experience a lot of contrast so when im in my full heart space i dont sense that theres so much greater presence than when i feel like im in a more emotionally neutral or emotionally absent space","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"location 4","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
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{"text":"im there is just a much stronger sense of awareness and its much easier to get distance from from thoughts when im when im not really doing anything like i would like i would go sit and chat with a friend","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"divine","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"reprogram","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"sense you know given your background and what youve traditionally gravitated from you know force towards system wise rooted into for decades um you know all of that stuff for sure i mean its all so classically layer three","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"and so if theres conditioning triggered in the system it kind of really just gets dissolved by that positive meta emotion and can do wonders for healing a lot of conditioning um yeah location four","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"i do but its but its very sort of quick and quick and its","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"there was definitely that sense of the thing that knows the thing that happens things happen to even like the physical sense of sort of like that not a presence behind the eyes","label":5,"label_text":"loc2lay2"}
{"text":"there is this curiosity about the things that i experienced and whether it is what you call celestial or its something entirely different so thats why i mentioned it","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"fullness this","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"layer two and feel emptiness","label":5,"label_text":"loc2lay2"}
{"text":"single remaining positive","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"layer three thing and say thats you know colors are very vibrant and its just its very intense like perceptual","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"silence and stillness","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"youve mentioned that lets assume that sort of that spaciousness type of thing is in the direction of layer two","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"optimize for the environment youre in fundamental well being","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"then you get increasing distance from that starting at layer two and working your way up through the layers","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"youre in location three i mean like you know is it bad to be more generous in a therapeutic environment you know with yourself or you know with your caring or whatever else no its not so thats fine you have one of those professions where you can be anywhere","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
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{"text":"if you wanted to see if you could go in the direction of the celestial one thing to do especially sort of from location three which is kind of an ideal spot is to really put your attention on sinking into just that divine aspect and sort of an increasingly transcendent part of the divine and so if you imagined some sort of more in the direction of layer four","label":29,"label_text":"lay4"}
{"text":"so again its a sense of its a sense of wellbeing in a way and it feels kind of blissful in a way like just comfortable sense of fullness and energy and this kind of sense of in appreciation tenderness that hard to really put a put words to it","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"ive broken it for life","label":16,"label_text":"loc5+"}
{"text":"fear there because theres emotion there and emotion is","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"so love joy compassion","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"kind of merging with it","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"the deep sense that everything is fundamentally okay regardless of current circumstances moves more into the foreground the deeper someone moves into location 2","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"negative feelings","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"joy","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"that sense of nonduality but the subtle sense of duality um like informing it or underlying it","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"yeah thats like when i said that like location four is the new two yeah like that obviously theres theres all this stuff happening and how much you know how much of it is just subjective experience and it feels like all these things are in operation doing what they need to do","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"but with with some limits on the love and compassion side of things and the overall predominance of joy um not a sense of unity type stuff or divine type stuff or anything like that it just might be easier for you to route in to layer three and location two rather than trying to make the jump","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"merging","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"although their need for approval has lessened even further than location 2","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"location 1","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"so it sounds like that experience you had in 2017 um its not entirely clear whether that was location two","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"beingness that pervades everything","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"layer two experience","label":5,"label_text":"loc2lay2"}
{"text":"if you go through location four and dont deepen which means you dont get really isolated in layer four that makes it more likely youd be on the path of humanity","label":16,"label_text":"loc5+"}
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{"text":"experience of the spaciousness but its still relatively shallow because your identity isnt generally speaking really shifting into that","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"but it a get deeper version of layer three its definitely been i guess enhanced or like shown what is possible and really just me seeing how much me being in location two later three is just kind of i mean the word id say is zombified like almost its easy for me to just sort of escape in that way and feel okay about it and then suddenly going into three three same thoughts same thoughts that would come up in vacation two that i would just escape from suddenly oh wow i have this extra feeling of love i dont have to leave i can just be here and oh they dont you know it doesnt get worse it actually just releases then i think what brought me down a bit the last few days has just been working and you know the casino environment is not even though ive been used to it its not exactly the best for deepening yeah so i think im literally like 29 like im just below the three and you know now i got the next week off so i think ill um go back into it i got this interesting thing called um a hug sleep so its basically an adult swaddle like um i dont know whatever they use it compresses you so you just sleep in it and it just feels like somebodys hugging you so that seems to be working on the attachment theory stuff","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"location 5","label":16,"label_text":"loc5+"}
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{"text":"because thats a tough place to be so if you and they doubt probably and they often doubt that they are even in fundamental being at that point because its such a difficult place to be it feels like they left fundamental wellbeing and entered a dark night of the soul of some kind","label":25,"label_text":"tfwp"}
{"text":"weve got certainly have experiences of layer two","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
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{"text":"of location two but theres still some sense of separateness there and then the third one that you experienced is classic you know nondual type of perception","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"nothingness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"it seems like sort of silence and stillness type of that sort of thing is central to everything that you talk about","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"when youre describing like a deeper nonduality is the absence of layer one","label":4,"label_text":"loc2lay1"}
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{"text":"you know it doesnt quite sound like that piece has clicked in yet such that you know youre over in some sort of stable location for type experience","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"so it kind of felt like that after enlightenment that everything is just perfect nothing bothers me and everything is easy and i can do anything and","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"there are a handful of sects that directly focus on location 4 and even 5","label":21,"label_text":"loc5"}
{"text":"it but it was very vibrant it was very impactful you know it wasnt and it was very serene it was much more a sense of deep serenity","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"layer three is really like joyous","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"absolutely and even sinking into my apartment when im you know because i dont even do that a lot like now im doing the thing im full and im doing like the one hour meditation its like whoa this is effective like one hour and its like yeah im super you know into fundamental wellbeing","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"different types of freedom","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"personal love anger jealously and other emotions are a regular occurrence in their lives with two very notable differences","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"its a deeper quality of layer three that you were you were experiencing where it really can feel deathless eternal untouchable no sense of an individual self youre deep in it so theres nothing to die its obviously extraordinarily present at that point and","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"layer two","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"no time no space no sense of self","label":29,"label_text":"lay4"}
{"text":"speech patterns morals habits hobbies and even addictions probably remain","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"if your attention is more on what youre doing or on the mind doesnt necessarily mean that your perception has gone nondual as has gone dual you could still be experiencing it all as one field of experience arising but have your attention primarily on the mind content in that field of experience","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"id say it is infused with the layer three experience that im having if i if i look into it its yes that sense of self is in its in the field its like its like almost i dont know if it contains the field um","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"you can have a lot change in your state of consciousness in terms of your sense of self in terms of a lot of things related to fundamental wellbeing without realizing it you can even have emotions fall away and suddenly at some point you realize oh theyre all gone you know when that happened and it can have been you know some weeks sometimes um so yes and you know any of these changes can happen without them appearing dramatic or sudden or even being noticed immediately so definitely dont discard your experience or expect you know if theres some significant deepening that has to happen in that way it usually doesnt um okay yeah thank you okay well your experience sounds sounds like layer two","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
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{"text":"seems like a very nice place to be a sense of divinity all the time you know loving your its you know youre happy very happy and so on and youre still able to interact in the world","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"it sounds it all sounds very fundamental wellbeing but not necessarily celestially","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"there is listening but not the perception of a separate listener or hearer","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"maybe be the layer one experience on location to","label":4,"label_text":"loc2lay1"}
{"text":"some of the other things about location two dont seem to quite have a whole lot","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"might not seem true at all in location","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"location four definitely adds a whole new perspective and can decondition a lot especially if one deepens there um but yeah save that for when you feel the timing is good","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"hallmarks of location four motion is obviously one","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"dont think ive had emotions for a very long time i do remember early in physical life where there were waves and peaks and valleys of of but i would describe as energy fluctuations and that seems very distant and when i try to recall when i tried to get there right when i try to place myself there its not easy access um and it feels like im watching that from far far far far far away and it doesnt trigger any bodily physiological responses","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
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{"text":"location 1 was primarily marked by the sense","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"choose to live in a community of individuals from only one location on the continuum youd most likely want it to be people in location 3","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"of participants experience though they","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
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{"text":"and but there s this is like one very positive feeling where that in a very strong connectedness to other people i so there is a sense of self but it s not  it s not important so it s but i can feel the difference","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"like im actually experiencing some of that right now im experiencing some of that anxiety right now i feel it like theres some sort of its like a performance anxiety kind of thing","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"so we narrow it down to location two its that easy","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"the nervousness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"another thing with a major advertising agency","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
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{"text":"even if you just have a sense while youre driving that its all the divine and its all happening by itself and its the divine driving that may not be the type of union were describing in location three","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"ill channel jesus for you","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
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{"text":"physiological kind of experience of anxiety can just persist in a shallower form of fundamental wellbeing","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"mix of personal and impersonal emotion whether people can sense that or not depending on how deep they are","label":14,"label_text":"loc4lay3"}
{"text":"it sounds a lot to me like youre rooted primarily in layer three as your dominant layer","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"it becomes the emptiness the empty spaciousness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
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{"text":"when you just upset at it it does a little bit like it didnt at first and that question sort of made it feel there was a connection or merge","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"transparent nothingness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"i feel like based in the mind that its a place that i experience the world from and where my attention is most of the time","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"although a soulless version of a dark night of the soul the soul word doesnt make a lot of sense to them um and so there are these there are such significant changes identity wise for you in that leap from layer three to layer four location four","label":14,"label_text":"loc4lay3"}
{"text":"location four you know youre just sort of watching your thoughts","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"let s stick those aside for now and let s stay with sort of the spacious emptiness thing and also some of the location two qualities","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"layer two more spacious more distance more space around thoughts and emotions type of thing um","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"when youre even when youre just using like if youre using for instance theres a method where like somebody just comes and holds you in a very loving way and eventually you find yourself sobbing in their arms you have no idea why youre sobbing and you know whatever else and its its just sort of this preverbal thing and theres really not that many people in the world that can even get somebody to you know have that experience","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"peace and silence","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"deep","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"presence","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"when i do come into that spaciousness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"location four feels like humanitys just been turned off right","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"i think i probably zoom in a little bit too far or zoom in back down to like layer one","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"very persistent stubborn sense","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"problem at its level if that if that actually is its level if you have access to a greater range of fundamental wellbeing thats outside of it sort of like its better to pick meditation methods that work on the brain not in the brain","label":24,"label_text":"tfwc"}
{"text":"spaciousness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"theres much more flow now than there used to be","label":1,"label_text":"loc1lay2"}
{"text":"maybe primary silence and presence would be the two","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"sense of divinity","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"when temporary there are finders who can intentionally bring it about and others who just have it happen to them from time to time regardless of how it occurs in this state the world seems to be moving through them and not the other way around generally this occurs at location 4 and beyond","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"it may feel as if actions are part of a larger universal order rather than personal","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"theres many different kinds of nonduality but this particular visual thing seems to just always be something that if the answer is yes theres some form of nonduality being experienced","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"spaciousness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"location 8","label":16,"label_text":"loc5+"}
{"text":"ive been in layer one for so long","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"it seems endless it seems you can go endlessly into that","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"and location four is viewed as horrifying by the other parents you know or something like that","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"and when youre kind of in that in that sense of self it obviously feels like its kind of what you are or like youre looking from that perspective","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"5 or 6 or 7","label":16,"label_text":"loc5+"}
{"text":"boredom thing","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"how to sort of break the gravity of layer three to have it be less of a to go beyond it being a sense you know for many people","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"regarding the layer three experiences what youve described thus far is primarily affect so its like emotion related to what can be related to layer three particularly if its like very impersonal forms of love joy compassion um those types of experiences","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"talk about feeling that they extend beyond their body","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"finders report an absence of emotion but this doesnt mean they stop feeling great","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"fundamental wellbeing is naturally fluid","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"location 3 have less narrativeself","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"it feels pretty full to me","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"full related space or a more emptiness related space or something like that","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"life history","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"d say is pretty or really the dominant state unless i really focus on location one and even then","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"you know youre past the sense point obviously of layer two youre to the direct perceiving of layer two at various amounts of depth of layer two and even to the point where youre starting to get occasional periods of identity shifting into it and so thats you know a really good progression into layer two","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":" reductions in both conditioning and the importance of outcomes make goal attainment increasingly less pertinent","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"experiences of layer two um you get the the spaciousness and you also get a sense of emptiness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"we dont know if its promising from a transition standpoint but we certainly know that its promising from a meditation standpoint and its looking increasingly like certain substances are going to match up to certain types of meditation and things like that and so i think theres a distinction between if one is doing it you know from a healing standpoint and a therapeutic environment of some kind or at a micro dose level versus just continuing to sort of you know flood the brain with some sort of breakthrough dose for some kind of consciousness expansion type of thing we we weve just seen so many adverse fundamental wellbeing","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"d say really location three especially after feeling that for a few days um really seeing where that can take me just feeling more alive as a human being","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"so you might even have conditioned your system to perceive it that way because youve used it as an access point for layer two by paying attention to the space rather than the content of the space","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"locations 6 through 9 typically bring dramatically increased reports of accurate premonitions intuition and related experiences","label":21,"label_text":"loc5"}
{"text":"layer three is prominent with fluidity to layers one and two","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"merging","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"nonduality","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"a range of emotion positive and negative","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"experiencing a single emotion of love and joy and compassion or divine or panpsychist sense or any of those things that we would look for in in location three","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"it feels more like presence there is this sort of buzzing energy thats pretty much always happening its quite strong now um thats something that i associate with aliveness but it doesnt have the sort of intelligence that awareness has presence has uh so im not really sure thats one of the questions im not so yeah that buzzing did sort of i do associated with layer three","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"that type of thing is also typical of location six","label":16,"label_text":"loc5+"}
{"text":"nondual perception","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"if its something that shows up when you deepen into layer three and showed up initially for the first time when you started getting access to layer three then you could probably say you know safely say that its some you know aspect of your experience that correlates with layer three","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"if they want to go back to location three is theyve often spent a lot of time rooting in to nonduality","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"sense of fullness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"tv series and movie lovers find themselves increasingly less drawn to these forms of passing the time","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"nondual perception","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"location three is really appropriate versus a location two","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"senselessness or sort of centered fullness or just the body","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"six seven youre not going to be able to even see your thoughts and","label":16,"label_text":"loc5+"}
{"text":"generate theyre generating thoughts and and feelings according to the environment and and kind of can not believe them or can just ignore them or study them if they want so so so thats the thats the good days so i think when i when i can do that thats my layer two","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"there are exceptions however for a minority of location 3 finders their profound sense of truth involving what should be done in most situations can be so strong that it can make them difficult to live with","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"location three is really appropriate versus a location two","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"you can look at that in moments where you really feel very triggered whether there is a real sense of self associated with thoughts and emotions that are arising or whether youre just feeling your attention being very absorbed into layer one because that can also happen","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"and layer three when your eyes are closed","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"mental state to fundamental wellbeing","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"fullness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"the fullness and so on um what happens in both cases both with the fullness and when i reach the more of a peaceful emptiness is um theres still a sense of an underlying field again like the self","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"that sounds very layer two ish so you have diagnosed yourself well on that one","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"feel like spacious","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"spaciousness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"location 4 finders report an even deeper sense of peace and wellbeing","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"probably not really going to location one unless you are genuinely feeling not a part of that spaciousness","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"they have generally been interested in people that seem to be able to move things with their minds manifest things they focus on and so forth beyond location 9","label":21,"label_text":"loc5"}
{"text":"from a purely nondual sense and location","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"layer three is to try and pay attention to what is actually perceiving the space perceiving layer two or what is making the experience or awareness of it possible","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"sense of emptiness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"self is that yeah the reflection on experience which itself produces experience and all the qualities of experience which is why you know when you sense into whats beyond layer three it feels like its unknowable or a mystery or without qualities","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"funny","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"i could i could fortunately i could stay clued into the to what they said and then id say something you know oh tell me more about that or you know that was all i could do i couldnt work out what i need to do with this client","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"s it felt like my vision was going back like like something was wrong with my vision um so thats the only the only thing it just seems to mean it cant be more flat but you know whatever that sort of you know sense of just you know no extension you know it again it seems like there can be extension but its not the default at all you know like i said i wake up i wake up and everythings flat","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"sense of beingness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"the reason i would call it nonduality is because theres a slight memory of what it was like to be dual and its almost like a faint imprint and its not i guess because its not there and theres greater connection almost like my eyes are slightly glazed over or like in like no subject object or out or less","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"divine in nature","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"and location two that are in the direction of location three","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"it might be some way that your system kind of translates or resonates with layer three or sinking into layer three","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"youre getting a deep experience of layer three and you only get that when you close your eyes","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"in some aspects of it its individual and some aspects of these locations we could have very granular you know type of changes we find its almost impossible to communicate those to people you know that it just sounds like a smear and so we cluster things at the at the boundary of what is a smear able sounding thing for the most part yeah yeah and so thats what allows me to listen to an experience like yours and think you know dont think that was so much a location three experience probably as maybe something more in location two layer three yeah all right","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"location 4 an even more pronounced change","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"you know everybodys terrified of location one theyre horrified that theyre going to get stuck there or you know whatever else","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"multidimensional type of experience of the of the matrix the layers and locations and make it possible to view from or through the perspective of something like location 2","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"if its arising more strongly and blocking out a perception that you really never leave layer two its just that its you know as its coming up its sort of pushing layer two into the background and sort of you know hiding it a little bit and all of your attention is going here on layer one because its like in the foreground of your experience and then you know you you immediately you can think to yourself well wait a minute and then layer two you know can come more forward right but i think one thing to pay attention to in your experience is is there an underlying identity shift in that process you know are you going from layer two and theres that disappearing and layer one is coming on and then layer two is coming back in you know with layer one sort of you know contained within it away in a way or is it a situation where layer two is always there youre never actually leaving layer two youre stable in layer two but just some of the you know some of the problems or issues or triggers that you have are so significant that theyre really giving you know just just you know theyre really creating a trigger that pulls that layer one very very very close so that maybe you have difficulty even seeing around it","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"yeah its like identity is still remaining on the layer on layer one on the level of the mind but its kind of getting very immersed in this experience of emptiness and nothingness that its reacting to it like its sort of seeing its own emptiness or its own","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"deep sense of joy quiet joy appears and it feels like this joy is almost at the heart of everything that i perceive","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"location 3 is found in many religious and spiritual traditions","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"spaciousness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"and theres some more notes here like the deepest part of this is is the back of my heart feels really sort of timeless spaciousness or or like like like a like a grand dimension um i feel like im behind myself im watching myself im feeling like im a field of awareness the body is still here and it still has sensations and pain but its happening within a field sometimes when im driving it feels like everything is moving through me and again feeling im not having a back or a heart or a head so that so so more the back the back of the body the back of the head im feeling emptiness and when i notice this this then fills up the room um and i feel im in in the rooms um so to speak and so this can have like an emptiness feeling but then the body is still there but then when i when i when i go into this sort of spaciousness feeling behind myself im the body","label":1,"label_text":"loc1lay2"}
{"text":"at night its like that in low light because like you say wheres the light source with the shades drawn and the theres no light source so it does seem like things are selfluminous but during the day not so much but but things arent being mediated like mean maybe subsystem wise things are still mediated that way but theres no thought mediating the visual uh experience","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"or location four","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"and thats that motion still field of presence that is aware that is experiencing the field of spaciousness you know emptiness it makes the experience possible or illuminates the experience so that could be a helpful way of of deepening into layer three from layer two if that resonates with you dont think necessarily it does for everyone but it can be a very useful point for some people thought it might cool","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"fundamental wellbeing","label":24,"label_text":"tfwc"}
{"text":"nondual type","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"sinking in to the qualities of your current experience that are in the best direction for in this case location three","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"spaciousness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"location 1 still have a relatively full range of positive and negative emotions","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"its still there but the sort of like alive presence that i feel that isnt limited to me but everywhere is part of that field and its like it was always there but now that im aware aware of it it was just sort of like a very slight phase shift to be able to see it like if it was a visual thing it would be like averting my glance just like a couple of degrees in one direction and then like suddenly its there","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"back into location one","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"layer one sort of sense of self type of stuff that youre paying attention to there","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"sort of the presence and the fullness of place","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"so youve definitely got the meta emotion you can start to sink into that increasingly letting it overshadow personal emotion if you want to go in the direction of location three and now you can also detect that experience of a kind of all pervading consciousness or presence which is of course layer three where youre at now","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"or location two","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"alien type feeling can be deeper in location too","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"um so really focusing on the love joy compassion elements of your experience as well as the sense of the divine um and really deepening into that probably it wouldnt be a bad idea for you to use some methods that are tuned to location three","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"between location one","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"location 4","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"and so location four is emotionless agency less you know divine less feeling of you know alienness feeling of loss of humanity","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"at the shallower part of layer three just a kind of warm benevolent container","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"conditioning","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"freedom","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"an individualized sense of self were reported as","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"you mentioned that it feels like the presence is equally present everywhere","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"path of humanity","label":16,"label_text":"loc5+"}
{"text":"but it does change an individuals relationship with these emotions","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"fullness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"the continuum starts at location 1","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"so it could take between 5 minutes to 30 minutes to i probably have to go through layer two and then start to fill the spaciousness or calm my body and the anxiety and the work stuff down enough","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"location 3","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"okay great so thats our main test for nonduality its very clean you know its just straight perception there isnt some question around some how does your sense of self feel or something like that nonduality is a perceptual thing so it can be tested with perceptual means so we know now that youre at least in a nondual location it sounds like you have some range of emotionality you talked about how they drop off quicker but theyre obviously still present","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"what falls away in location three on the emotion front is personal emotion so all that remains is really that meta emotion so you could even just be constantly paying attention to that on there in terms of the emotional experience that you have and kind of turn your attention away from any personal emotion that arises and just let it get kind of eclipsed by the meta emotion of love joy and compassion that you already have access to its probably something you can notice in any moment if you turn your attention to it so thats something you could do to bias your system in the direction of location three","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"negative emotions","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"people can have whole sides of their body go limp and be inoperable for periods of time basically anything involving motor function sensory perception type things theres often a sense that like someone has to learn to rehear or you know even retaste or there can be these like just almost like all sensory learning just sort of falling apart and what we think is happening there is that the senses of self that are involved that are falling away at location six are very deep theyre very old they were basically coming together at the same time that sensory learning was happening","label":16,"label_text":"loc5+"}
{"text":"vastness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"emotional or energetic almost feels like an entity","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"fullness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"location 1 finders often still have conditioning that relates to approval from others","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"location 5","label":16,"label_text":"loc5+"}
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{"text":"emptiness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"location 5","label":16,"label_text":"loc5+"}
{"text":"thats generally your sense of what you are except when your attention gets very pulled into layer one at which point we dont know for sure whether your identity shifts there or whether just all of your attention is occupied with it and youre not noticing the the space around things","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"these protoemotions can also be consciously manipulated to prevent the full emotion from formingusing our previous example of getting upset when cut off in traffic individuals who have this ability to perceive a finer level of detail and gain control over what layers arise also have more control over their reactions","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"fundamental wellbeing","label":24,"label_text":"tfwc"}
{"text":"the first which will be referred to as the path of freedom pof","label":21,"label_text":"loc5"}
{"text":"so tell me about when you think you switched to location two","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"first of all you know one of the things that this does is it shows your system it shows your nervous system that youre serious about this that its not something that is just two hours in a chair at your place um you know that its something that you want to do you want the system to start experimenting with bringing more into these different aspects and areas of your life and then you know itll find a way for you to be funny and still you know at a deeper stage of fundamental well being","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"doesnt feel empty or in the beginning it can feel like the emptiness is sort of infused with presence or beingness or fullness um some people might describe it as an aliveness but it doesnt feel empty any longer","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"emptiness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"no sense of agency","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"leaning towards being location three","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
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{"text":"layer one is going to be very present and subjective experience and you know the quality","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"when psychologically triggered they could","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
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{"text":"because i feel like i should probably you know because i noticed the the other day when i was like oh i should this is not going to work i need to come out of this location for thing it was to location to layer three that i popped down to","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"location 1 finders experience a heightened sense of being complete","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"of feel feel a bit more emotional for some reason like like when you say that when you know","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"emptiness or the qualities of layer two","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"nothingness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"yeah so personal emotion um which includes all negative emotion is really more or less out of view in location three so only that universal love joy compassion meta emotion remains","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"aloneness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"openness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"spaciousness of layer two","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"yeah so personal emotion um which includes all negative emotion is really more or less out of view in location three so only that universal love joy compassion meta emotion remains","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"dont notice the stillness and the spaciousness anymore","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"its hard to let go of that but but i think that thats thats my experience yeah","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"fullness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"stillness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"it wouldnt be location four if youve got that universal love","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"spaciousness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"quieting of thoughts or the other stuff","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
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{"text":"so the fullness it feels like its flowing flowing flowing out of me and it feels really full","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"and then if i can and then and then im often able to then kind of like say well you know whats seeing or or who am i and kind of get in touch with actually my awareness of being aware and and so","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"spaciousness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"so now we would say about location two is and we probably would have been more nuanced even back then","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"its sort of like the problem with people saying theres no doer and that theres the doer can sort of go away and location too","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"emptiness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"for a faith such as christianity feelings of divinity increase until they reach a crescendo in the furthest reaches of location 3","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"stillness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"when it comes to presence theres no boundary","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"the thinker","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"it makes perfect sense youd be able to zoom in zoom out","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"total range of emotion","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"sounds like you know layer three of location two","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"it feels more pleasant than the senselessness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"mind","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"but thought maybe let me put layer one because it obviously was a huge shift when i realized i this presence was everywhere and is everything and everything that id ever read i was now experiencing it except i didnt expect to go into mourning","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"when you go to location four you see through a lot of things that our previous and the in the continuum you and in the matrix even if you go to very strongly into layer four in location two you know you realize even from a very very strong glimpse of layer four in location two you really do realize that sort of everything from location three on down is just sort of imaginary","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"im not thats interesting ah okay now that said personal actually its simply more a reaction rather than the person its simply yeah im having whatever","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"but again that is if i choose to focus in that way and i dont have a sense of emptiness rather i would say when i you know when if i just feel its more of a sense of fullness that im experiencing and i feel like i experienced that in the world as well so not just in myself and but then when i relate to people for example that is still going to be you know im still going to default back into seeing us as two separate individuals right and you know very much in that way","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"and what you would be what would really indicate that shift is that duality returning to your experience where there really is a sense of something that is dissolving into or merging with the divine presence and everything and in addition to that meta emotion of love joy compassion um but you can also begin to experience in location two layer three","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"like a sort of low energy state with the you know no emotion or very low affect and then yeah lack of motivation or ability to act upon intentions and a real no agency wouldnt necessarily involve you not doing anything would just feel like youre just watching it happen","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"think i said now that ive been in it since 2018 when i took the finals course i transitioned then but then i was very much experiencing a lot of negative emotions and reactivity so i thought that i might have been going in and out but looking back it could have also been that i was just like having it pushed back a lot in the background like i was going through something like a love relationship thing in the beginning of the year and i was sure that i was out of it because it was just like so much emotional baggage that i havent felt for years and then i just looked okay i have to i have to see if i can find it you know the okayness and it was there very immediately but i think for a while it was pushed","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
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{"text":"but that is in fact our default state of being at least my default state of being for decades possibly yours too if you weren t always in fundamental wellbeing","label":22,"label_text":"nfw"}
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{"text":"location 1 individuals are on the earliest portion of the continuum","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"right so should also be trying to pull myself out of like nonduality or like like get more into being a looker or something or is that more like location one then","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"so spaciousness and stuff layer too","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"staying more shallow you do increase your range","label":16,"label_text":"loc5+"}
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{"text":"emptiness seems to come further down the line and so if spaciousness is there a little bit more present in the experience and you can remember instances where you shifted into and would have said","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
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{"text":"so so youve got the that positive meta emotion love joy compassion","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"makes them even less reactive","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"it certainly sounds like most of your experience of the deeper layer stuff is layer three everything you described is sort of layer three qualities and it sounds like you can actually sink into that very easily and you know a highly fluid to that place and in addition it shifts you to location two from having a more dual sort of perception and so thats really just awesome","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"showing up or constriction in the body","label":4,"label_text":"loc2lay1"}
{"text":"layer one more accessible strangely","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"and everything arises is objects and the subject is this space which is me so it is the","label":5,"label_text":"loc2lay2"}
{"text":"so do you notice any other changes weve talked about layer two and spaciousness and","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"fundamental wellbeing prior to where youve landed","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
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{"text":"that you had mentioned that location to layer four is like not that likely to happen um and this this sense of like just what is or just you know everything is just the way it is or whatever um that doesnt seem to go in and out um but you know theres theres no perceptual difference to it its just you know its just like not an understanding but its just like it feels like once thats there why would you think otherwise you know","label":7,"label_text":"loc2lay4"}
{"text":"i actually it was actually this past so i started the 45 days course in january and and it took me until early august actually to where i actually diagnosed myself as okay im actually at that point fundamental wellbeing","label":24,"label_text":"tfwc"}
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{"text":"it triggers the the the persona who is rewarded for her intelligence was paid to be a management consultant to analyze massive data sets and i dont want to be in that uh space but i can feel that theres a residual","label":10,"label_text":"loc3lay3"}
{"text":"i think he had a lot of those tendencies even remaining in fundamental wellbeing and one thing that hes learned is that you know using certain supplements and stuff to really sort of increase my i mean any time theres some new thing that might increase mitochondria energy more you know than what hes using or something like that man he is on it and he just raves about the difference that that makes in the system the same with you know his interest a lot of his interest in things like the light hats and stuff like that","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"which would still mean that the mind is quite dominant in your experience","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"perceiving the fullness less","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"a sense of pervading fullness fullness that permeates everything you say you often have a subtle sense of this sometimes so subtle that you wonder if youre imagining it","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"location five it doesnt always go away if someone comes back from location five","label":16,"label_text":"loc5+"}
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{"text":"it sounds to me more like youve got some space youve got some distance from thoughts and emotions and","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":" theres not theres nothing centered on you perceiving those sounds either as a hearer or as a more localized but different from the rest of it sense of spaciousness or something like that you know as well","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"layer one i can absolutely work out that theres not it cant be like if you go from your own direct experience there just isnt and sometimes its totally gone so listening to music can just be the music is and im not","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"presence all pervading kind of thing","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"and then the karmic stuff i was really committed until finally i moved on to nonduality and then i became equally committed but didnt have the experience","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"and does the vast stillness have any quality that you would describe as spacious or um empty","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
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{"text":"i do think you can in this case mean youre experiencing locations that are extremely rare so youre definitely not an ordinary case and you do have pk type experiences by location eight and nine","label":16,"label_text":"loc5+"}
{"text":"layer one is interesting because theres like the active thought with the words the narrative in the head","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
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{"text":"and then same for location three in some ways so location three can be really powerful for healing things because you cant really experience negative emotion so just bringing you know thats essentially the whole thing with leicesters love it just really encodes the memories to be an experience thats associated with the pardon","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"regardless of whether youre in location one","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"deconditioning and reconditioning","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":" one of them is the love aspect of and any other aspects of layer","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"you can just play with it for a bit and see like add it as something you can use for deconditioning and then spend the next session really deepening into the location three type direction of layer three and see if you can make that switch","label":10,"label_text":"loc3lay3"}
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{"text":"i found an exemplar of someone who i found inspiring and how theyre navigating the world and it was only one week so who knows if the rest of his life is a mess but somehow energetically and his stability and his ability to pretty much be in grounded in the situation with a great deal of palpable presence and peace so again if i was kind of trying to reverse engineer it i was thinking well that s potentially like location three with access to one or location to layer three","label":10,"label_text":"loc3lay3"}
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{"text":"so theres a clear understanding that that its location to lay or to but at the same time as im looking at the computer screen theres still a slight sense of me looking at the screen but its like this me is a greater me than the location to me so like the location to me it is sort of merged the nonduality","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"and then if i can and then and then im often able to then kind of like say well you know whats seeing or or who am i and kind of get in touch with actually my awareness of being aware and and so","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"while im deepening into layer three i think like the liveness thing but the sense of causality losing meaning and flatness its more like deepening into the raw experience thats available like really leaving all the concepts behind and diving for whats actually here kind of thing yeah","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
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{"text":"and so its possible you have some degree of fluidity from some form of layer two sense of self to a more layer one sense of self","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
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{"text":"which pulls you all the way back to layer one and location one basically as those as those experiences fade","label":0,"label_text":"loc1lay1"}
{"text":"but didnt really have too much time to dig into that whole agency thing you might already be getting glimpses or have had glimpses of location four my guess is youll get temporary experiences of it doing this you know it wont just like be some jump over in you know tomorrow morning and some locking into location four so you can probably you know get some temporary experiences of it get some more experiences of it and start to get a feel for it and at least its more shallow form before it really sort of deepens and locks in","label":7,"label_text":"loc2lay4"}
{"text":"something that seems true to a finder in location 3","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"but sometimes it feels so real because my layer one mind was was screaming well im losing my safety net and i mean the my savings reached me and that would be bad for my family","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"and even in situations where id normally just just be worried about and in and experience anxiety and that kind of stuff there would be that feeling right there and a lot of times it was in the foreground i went through a period where a lot of times it was in the foreground and and and and then i said you know i might be there","label":24,"label_text":"tfwc"}
{"text":"layer three um but yeah like the the spatial the spaciousness was replaced by the fullness and everything was kind of linked together in a way","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"seems like a very nice place to be a sense of divinity all the time you know loving your its you know youre happy very happy and so on and youre still able to interact in the world","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"its accessible when im in a deeper silence and stillness its accessible","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"fullness and more presence and stuff","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"kind of more boundary dissolving in terms of my own where my where i end and the world begins its kind of that boundary just vanishes","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
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{"text":"and your spiritual system happens to end at a certain point of layer three in location two","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"so that location eight and nine seems it s almost like at that point that deeper layer really becomes very visible or dominant","label":16,"label_text":"loc5+"}
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{"text":"like disapproval like i noticed that i kind of had a lot of these disapproval patterns of myself and so i started noticing them more and kind of like just kind of letting them go so maybe that was a big shift and now more recently ive been noticing that there is a lot of this anxiety kind of pattern that feels like a its like a performance type anxiety or like approval type of thing and that comes up like really a lot every day yeah so yeah so thats like thats dropping me down to layer one often","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"it wouldnt be location four if youve got that universal love","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"probably was yeah and then you know you can always of course remember that right um and so you know if if right now what feels like is happening is that union you know dissolving however we want to think about it kind of thing right um it doesnt mean that you cant remember the other thing","label":10,"label_text":"loc3lay3"}
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{"text":"exercise layer one verbal logical rational facility","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"layer three of location four you know as you experience them there you know with that amazing richness and because its emotional the richness is emotional","label":14,"label_text":"loc4lay3"}
{"text":"divine or any sort of panpsychist","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"like this its that centerless field its still all pervading all present","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
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{"text":"these individuals typically report having no sense of agency nor any ability to make a decision","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"mean all of these things can also be location one you know you can feel a deeper sense of peace you can feel a very strong really foreground sense of peace in some instances all the time even in location one you know if you have somebody thats been in location one for a long time they didnt have much to decondition before and they havent been in it very long but they just dont have a lot of conditioning or didnt have a strong sense of self to begin with","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
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{"text":"sense of of union","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"and i could feel that it was location for but it gradually sort of faded and i feel like i returned","label":5,"label_text":"loc2lay2"}
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{"text":"location one experience of layer two and so that more or less just fits in with the rest of your selfassessment regarding you know where you might be at what you might actually be experiencing um and whatever else yeah","label":1,"label_text":"loc1lay2"}
{"text":" but with positive emotion rather than neutral","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
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{"text":"i guess sort of like a flowing","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"one undesirable issue for them is memory deficits","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"layer two is a sense","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"however when asked to describe the details of their firstperson experience differences between them emerge even individuals who have studied and practiced their religion or spiritual system together in the same place for decades can arrive at different versions of fundamental wellbeing sometimes these variations can be more in sync with individuals outside of their tradition than those within it think of it this way there might be only a handful of people within a given tradition who experience location 4","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
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{"text":"it doesnt feel differentiated but like it doesnt feel like theres too much of a differentiation between me and the room and so the aliveness that i feel inside of me and my energy i guess is yeah i dont i dont see a clear distinction between that and whats going on around me","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"strong sense of presence","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"self is that yeah the reflection on experience which itself produces experience and all the qualities of experience which is why you know when you sense into whats beyond layer three it feels like its unknowable or a mystery or without qualities","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"agency","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"aliveness yeah the aliveness sensation wouldnt be layer three you know strictly you know it may correlate to layer three","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"spacious emptiness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"its hard to let go of that but but i think that thats thats my experience yeah","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"nonduality for you","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"it s kind of in terms of deepening into fundamental wellbeing it s a little bit more like the teaching it s a teaching which is corrective but is not itself an expression of what the truth is","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"sense of an all pervading field of presence or fullness or silence pervading everything field of silent presence whatever um it can be a field of aliveness but its a nonphysical experience or non sensory kind of perception","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"location three for that for your breaks and holidays not vacation for vacation four doesnt feel like anything","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"it feels quite a bit more spacious now","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"right so much so that like both of our coats smelled like it for a while after a little bit right and and we were and it led to this discussion about frustration and location for right because that experience was absolutely experienced as you know frustration for her and location for at that moment","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"do you feel like its the fullness thats perceiving the spaciousness as in is your sense of what you are remaining kind of rooted in layer three and sort of becoming aware of the spaciousness or emptiness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"layer three its like you go there and its just immediately gone","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"the great thing that you moved in the direction of jesus because you know his his followers are a lot more about union","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"its a perspective of you know sort of having seen through the stuff at layer three","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"i looked into a bit of attachment theory and then i so i sat down the first of the month you know to do the exercise you know i literally got an airbnb in the forest for a week and said i would just go through the finders book go through the wheres the locations book and just start writing stuff down so i started writing stuff down and then i kept just getting super triggered so i just took a pillow and i just like hugged a pillow for like ten hours a day for the whole week and i think it was must have been an attachment theory thing because when i started feeling safe certain triggers started coming up and then boom instead of the trigger you know me like going into safety mode it just ended up releasing and then i must have been a week ago found myself in location three four and you know not for a few minutes but for a more consistent period of time a couple of days so now i think im a little further back down in location two later three","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"it feels like what you see everything you see around you is just there its just showing up um without a distinct or real sense of a separate look or looking at it even though of course you can still tell you have got like a location and space and youre not identical to the wall and so on um but there isnt that subjective sense of","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"where someone at location 1 on the continuum might have a short outburst and make a brief hand gesture individuals","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"feeling increasingly comfortable with being spaciousness instead of being a body mind","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"i suppose the goals are in location two to do some deconditioning","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"the silence and stillness stuff that you talk about that runs through everything which it should im just talking about sort of the more distinctive qualities so spaciousness and then emptiness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"and you the mind mental activity some personal sense of self that comes with that so so thats cool definitely you know youve identified that your your attention by default is you know focused to some extent at least on layer one","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
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{"text":"when youre describing like a deeper nonduality is the absence of layer one","label":4,"label_text":"loc2lay1"}
{"text":"i guess sort of like a flowing","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"okay unprovoked happiness does happen to be the method that is most reliable for getting finders to location four","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"because when i focus on the qualities of space i mainly sense fullness and a substance like presence","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"probably youre already doing all of that intuitively it would be my guess and then the other thing is there was you mentioned temporary glimpses when deeper of a shift of your identity into spaciousness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"layer three that really resonates","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"felt like it was something that i was observing or looking at now im being a little bit i dont know it just feels yeah im sort of you know im sort of sort of losing a little bit but yeah so maybe theres a bit more separation again now like its something im observing","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
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{"text":"if the only reason youre doubting it is because it was temporary then it probably just was a temporary experience of location for um its its all you know youre not saying anything that sounds vague or uncertain theres no sense of the divine a sense of self no sense of agency no emotion including no love","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
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{"text":"how there is this experience as i go a little bit deeper how things are sort of like like they are frozen you know like in in toys i think thats the movie theyre the toys are all alive but then the kid looks at them they are like they are not moving so it sort of feels like that like everything is alive but its not moving because im looking at it and so as soon as i stop looking at it it will you know things will start moving","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
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{"text":"fullness as a is an attribute of layer three and so you know focusing on sort of a core attribute of layer three is no guarantee that its going to just continue to sort of deepen you further into layer three to the point where that will fall away the safest thing to sort of focus on is a sense of silence or stillness whichever one of those is most relevant to you and that in your experience is sort of thats the thread that sort of runs you know to the deepest point in this particular you know sequence um and so if i were to focus on anything it would probably be um you know to focus on that the other thing that i would focus on is trying to perceive whats on the other side of that boundary","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"normal person just talking in normal way and then can function very well","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"path of freedom","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"can totally happen um and when youre deep in that sense of fullness and presence does it feel like you are the presence you are awareness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"its really the broadest location of all of them in terms of the different range of experiences that can show up in it","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"thats when its sort of more bubbly um more vibrant","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"so thats thats all the qualities of location three there that fell away along with agency and any sense of self","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"encased in gelatin","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"just kind of just is its it has a sense of awareness like it knows everything its theres nothing that can its outside of time and space and yet okay its in everything it sees everything it knows everything it theres nothing where it isnt yeah it doesnt fit thats why it doesnt feel like a container to me when i look at that way","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"like its holding everything like everythings appearing in it i cant see the edges of it though its a bit its a bit like um guess the ocean would be a good metaphor mean although you kind of he know that the ocean has limits you cant see them but i dont i dont know theres any limits to this because i cant see them and i dont you dont have that reference point to know theres any limits to it so i suppose im probably not using the word container correctly","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"experience of that merger","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"and it sounds to me like its a classic case of going to layer two","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"and thats why you know i understand that this is a very challenging place to be at and you know its its a big its its a big decision and it takes a lot of dedication and what i you know i have in general as a person i have a very deep drive to do some certain things like a strong really deeply rooted sense of purpose that that im not sure where its coming from i really have ive really dived into it and felt into it and done a lot of inner work and it doesnt seem to be coming from like neurosis or that kind of thing at least not anymore so for this stage of my life and for this point i feel like theres some things i need to do in the world build and whatever and and so for this stage it would be really nice i mean if you ask me three three years ago when i did a founders course and i would have said location three thats thats what i would like to be at","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"so that field of existence relates to sort of deeper aspects of layer three","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"its a it was a distinct shift and processing that can recall and before the accident you know ive never felt like i belonged here ive never really felt human but dont know why i dont feel human theres theres no hard data to tell me that thats true or again that might be a psychotic episode i have no idea but i do remember right before the accident before the actual moment of physical impact something lifted shifted changed so dramatically that i realize that up until that point had been using the body in a very different way","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"and then it seems like then my awareness is able to just be aware of whats whats there and notice details and all that kind of stuff","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"by sinking into the qualities of layer three","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"but the vibrancy and the richness and the aliveness and fullness and all of that are qualities of layer three those really fall away layer four","label":29,"label_text":"lay4"}
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{"text":"if your concern is im never im not going to be able to run an event if i cant be fluid to layer one then it s great that youve developed the fluidity to layer one","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
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{"text":"describe a sense of the divine with that one","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
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{"text":"just that your your descriptions of location three layer three and of deepening into the the divine and into the celestial beyond that or through that in that direction and the devotion and reverence and all that its its extraordinarily well put into words amazing and its i recognize it you know its its ive never heard someone else put it into words like that and it was just phenomenal to read you know so cool um wow and yeah i agree with the same of what i used to call the divine turned out to be the celestial that deeper you know its its very difficult to define it but yes like the the divine that is initially experienced in location three if it shows up that way that people are referring to is more like a construct than you know as as that falls away with the celestial orientation there is this way more i dont know what to do what lens to use at this fine but much more foundational and deep and profound vast kind of infinite sense of divinity","label":10,"label_text":"loc3lay3"}
{"text":"and even the reintroduction of emotions for some","label":21,"label_text":"loc5"}
{"text":"mind always wants more freedom","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"if these traditions are even partially aware of location 4 and realize the improvement in personal wellbeing it 127dr jeffery a martincan bring why isnt location 4 a higherpriority goal","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"conditioning","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"when living momenttomoment in a place of fundamental wellbeing anything that disturbs it however minor is difficult to miss","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
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{"text":"path of humanity","label":16,"label_text":"loc5+"}
{"text":"i think you have a lot more you can trust your deeper intuitions as you referred to them if you can if you can resist the temptation or the inclination to doubt everything it would help you deepen because the thing that s doubting it is layer one","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"how deep you might be in layer three","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"the looker or  seer self and what is being seen whats outside of the self","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"produces any potential cognitive dissonance around that is the direct experiences that unfold","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"and also layer three","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"dominant emotion that felt like a mixture of","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"suffering the bit that remains looms large","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
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{"text":"that makes more sense all right so yeah its a trigger to awareness for some reason yeah okay so it is awareness related methods that youre in good shape there you know thats the majority of people slight majority i mean not like 70 of people or something but yeah okay so thats great um thats thats a good sign that those work for you because those are those are good for especially progression through layer two","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"only location one layer two seemed to get a graphic and the bird looks a little confused","label":1,"label_text":"loc1lay2"}
{"text":"could kind of find this vibrating quality to perception","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"location three or whatever","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"i actually it was actually this past so i started the 45 days course in january and and it took me until early august actually to where i actually diagnosed myself as okay im actually at that point fundamental wellbeing","label":24,"label_text":"tfwc"}
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{"text":"nondual frame of experience","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"so spending a lot of time trying to thinking that youre going to decondition something like that while youre in layer one and that thats going to be like the key to moving you forward in fundamental wellbeing is more or less just a really good way to waste a lot of time","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"um but certainly very much in the direction of location three so something that you could use to sink back into and bias your system in the direction of location three","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"by the time youre in location four you cant feel anything obviously by location four and later it would just be some sensation in the body if you can feel anything like very subtle sense of something which is hard to pick up but you can still detect it if its deep enough","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"emptiness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"like glimpsing into layer four by doing like unprovoked happiness but and then the fact that it didnt last too long which is thats indicative of just the layer four but not location four thing","label":29,"label_text":"lay4"}
{"text":"the arms are much better thats that thats scared the shit out of everyone around me and i only had like an afternoon of being concerned and then it just went away and i was right back into that was probably the last time i was in layer one","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"impersonal or divine compassion joy and","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"continue to deepen into fundamental wellbeing","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
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{"text":"bit later i might notice the stillness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
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{"text":"fullness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"sense of everything just arising and all sort of one thing including you visually auditorily you know other ways as well but those are the those are the ones that people most often have a differentiation around","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"absolutely okay so location eight","label":16,"label_text":"loc5+"}
{"text":"or location three","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"theres no sense of self theres no sense of self that is would you say that nothing exists um no not not not an eye not not an identity uh that that this just is whatever that was moved away","label":10,"label_text":"loc3lay3"}
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{"text":"been an issue around human relationships is that i dont have enough of a personal kind of love to satisfy the people in my life who would like it to be more personal","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
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{"text":"location two at a period in your life where there were more ups and downs","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
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{"text":"it seemed like location one was most fitting","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"location three youre kind of changing your system little by little every day and lesters love might have been out of phase with you before your last sinking in","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"its more about spatial spaciousness than emptiness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"emptiness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
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{"text":"one thing that i think to pay attention to is when you are triggered next does it seem like will it seem like in that moment that if youre introspecting that theres been a shift of identity","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"layer one is interesting because theres like the active thought with the words the narrative in the head","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
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{"text":"layer three is more like it feels like its this you know field of presence thats still and pervades everything infuses everything um rather than necessarily being the things you can get that type of experience but it certainly doesnt feel like its around things or its containing them it feels you know very clearly like its sort of yeah pervading everything","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"to involve consistent changes toward this","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"because were talking talking about earlier about this peripheral and can be like a big peripheral sometimes where its where its a sense of almost like world mind body like a whole or universe mind body","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
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{"text":"so spaciousness and stuff layer too","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
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{"text":"its harder to get distance from feelings from from emotions from thoughts and that layer two","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"you know youre being triggered down or it could be down to layer two","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
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{"text":"the western abrahamic traditions like christianity and islam have mystical traditions that generally gravitate towards location 3","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
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{"text":"felt nice i was kind of surprised surprised at that point","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"with the peaceful","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"can totally happen um and when youre deep in that sense of fullness and presence does it feel like you are the presence you are awareness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"location 2","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
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{"text":"my favorite definition of illusion is that its something real that appears to be something else other than what it is so its real smoke and mirrors that the magician uses to create the illusion that they just saw the woman in half you know so so thats kind of interesting perspective on it","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"sort of a social aspect of your life very important prior to fundamental well being","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":" but with positive emotion rather than neutral","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"sense of the divine","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"what was covered in location 1around goals a present moment focus feeling complete or whole relationship to stories psychological triggers a sense of self that extends beyond the body personality changes or lack thereof perception of physical pain humor goals and paradoxesshould largely be seen as holding true for later locations unless it is specifically commented upon","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"so you cant stay in location two but youre not able to access the depth of a layout to possibly and certainly layer three that youre able to with your eyes closed","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"and we dont know its just one quick observation you know in one moment um so see if you can sink more deeply into the stillness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
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{"text":"layer three of location four you know as you experience them there you know with that amazing richness and because its emotional the richness is emotional","label":14,"label_text":"loc4lay3"}
{"text":"and then the mind comes in with resistance at that point or deepening in that direction just kind of trying to keep your identity somewhat centered around layer one","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"frequently reported significant difficulty","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"i just am or you know whatever people however they kind of put words to that but youre describing it as well the self is just gone because your reference point for the term self is your ordinary sense of kind of individual or personal self at layer one","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
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{"text":"then youll be viewing layer three more","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"spaciousness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"but basically you just kind of remember it you know or get to it however you can sometimes its just a relaxation in the system sometimes its an intense focus on maybe something like divinity that eventually just pulls one over into something you can sink into","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":" i was trying to get rid of this boundary and uh i think i sort of achieved it for a while and i had this experience of like flatness extending from my face kind of vertically i guess thats just it and there was no boundary when i try to explore so i thought maybe i did it","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"flat","label":29,"label_text":"lay4"}
{"text":"i didnt really experience it much at all it did talk a lot last year and i had no idea what it was like and in that course we experienced that and it was really nice","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"theres more silence in my system in location two","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"terms of divine","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
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{"text":"increase in intensity through location 8","label":21,"label_text":"loc5"}
{"text":"theres spaciousness at another point theres the body at another point","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"felt like it was something that i was observing or looking at now im being a little bit i dont know it just feels yeah im sort of you know im sort of sort of losing a little bit but yeah so maybe theres a bit more separation again now like its something im observing","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"layer one from a layer one standpoint","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"imagination or if its really full","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"i cant take it like my system cant tolerate it at this point and so ive in recent meditations i try and put attention on that because its great it feels wonderful right","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"didnt hang out with other kids you know didnt one of her one of her teachers was telling me that people would come up and try to talk to her and high school or whatever and she would just stare at them","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"by injecting this into the scenarios where those other habits exist thats one of the things that the interruption exercise and thriving is designed to do right its designed to sort of you know randomly force you to inject fundamental wellbeing into parts of your day where youre not doing it and so thats maybe another exercise for you to consider","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"and i can if i want to i can play with layer one more be more active with","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
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{"text":"so were going to start on the 29th going into layer two","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"not too aware of other things and and yeah the thoughts also carry a different nature again this happened again after like ten 15 years ago after i read eckhart tolles book the power of now and then after a few years something changed also in how my thoughts were it changed from being a narrative self inside myself to being very subtle thoughts that are quicker and this actually bothered me a lot during my meditation retreats and so on because i found it harder to kind of deal with the mind because thoughts could just come up really rapid pace it still happens and doesnt feel the thoughts have kind of not much substance to it and it feels like a different quality and i would say i couldnt even call it like inspiration it just emerges disappears relevant to to what im doing","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"so i can feel for example centreless untouchable and presence i do not feel joy but i can i can feel a lot of stillness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"if you have a sense of whether or not you want path of freedom or path of humanity","label":16,"label_text":"loc5+"}
{"text":"theres been a lot of stillness and almost since even very early on when i asked you about fullness i started to be a stillness that came on almost like the stillness was providing you access to introspect on the fullness or something like that","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"another big thing that ive noticed that made me think that its probably location too is where its just its really deep sense of peace that that that often comes and stays for a while that wasnt there before in location one","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"a detectable change in the persons sense of humor","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"viewing and accessing layer one with just you know some subtle differences and preferences between those in terms of the lives","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
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{"text":"three nonduality again at location four","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
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{"text":"wellbeing is experienced that previously could not have been imagined regardless of how happy they were previously","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"unusual perceptual effects","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
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{"text":"so i think you are getting youre at least getting a shift into the sort of combination of spacious emptiness and you know fullness and presence type of thing","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"by the time youre in location four you cant feel anything obviously by location four and later it would just be some sensation in the body if you can feel anything like very subtle sense of something which is hard to pick up but you can still detect it if its deep enough","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"it sounds like its a little bit of a mix of each that you can get to the more spaciousness while still remaining in location one","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"so i guess i had thought fluid location five with also knowing how to hang out in the charmed life place for a bit","label":16,"label_text":"loc5+"}
{"text":"there is one significant glitch that can occur a temporary phase may be experienced when approval is virtually unimportant","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"you know everybodys terrified of location one theyre horrified that theyre going to get stuck there or you know whatever else","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"emptiness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"comfort and the fullness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"if youve been in fundamental wellbeing since i think youre you might have said 2017 or somewhere around there","label":25,"label_text":"tfwp"}
{"text":"peace and silence","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"that fear communicates to your system about fluidity in general right its like oh fluidity can be bad","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"mentally quieter","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"but these other ones not quite you know like in location two it says like increasingly positive emotion you know that sort of thing doesnt feel like thats really part of the experience","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
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{"text":"i think i probably zoom in a little bit too far or zoom in back down to like layer one","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"fullness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"fullness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"and you the mind mental activity some personal sense of self that comes with that so so thats cool definitely you know youve identified that your your attention by default is you know focused to some extent at least on layer one","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"theres no love version of location for","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"it might be a deeper a deeper experience of layer three and location two where its all the divine and your individual sense of self has further fallen away um because if there was just from the way you describe it you can correct me if im wrong but in location three you would feel like the self is dissolving into the divine um or sort of coming into union with it it wouldnt feel like it just gone and theres only the divine functioning through you","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"divine or a panpsychist sense","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"layer three is going to add so much more freedom","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"layer three is a sense and layer two","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"fundamental wellbeing kind of gets more and more boring in a way","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"you have to go to location three i think ive been there before and it is it seems really nice so uh but yeah guess thats the word in my mind just do that","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"flatness","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"when that reaction occurs and there is that contraction in some way inside you or whatever else","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
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{"text":"it feels pretty full to me","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"the transition to layer four often will pull someone over to layer four","label":29,"label_text":"lay4"}
{"text":"layer two more spacious more distance more space around thoughts and emotions type of thing um","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"aloneness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"i have the general general idea of how that works but its exactly its with love","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"d say really location three especially after feeling that for a few days um really seeing where that can take me just feeling more alive as a human being","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"mainly joy","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"it transformed how things were perceived all of that right so imagine that was just the first glimpse of the first one of those sort of later locations it just gets more you know intense profound different however you want to say it from there right and so if youre staying at skimming the surface and maintaining the fluidity back and forth you know you only get so much of those benefits is one way to think about it","label":16,"label_text":"loc5+"}
{"text":"it freaked it literally freaked her out and so we had this conversation about this type of thing and so shes shes a christian for sure but not a location three christian you know shes a high sort of location you know layer three type of christian","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"sometimes if im in or doing awareness it can be just empty the idea of a container doesnt really i can kind of manufacture the idea of a container but even the container has something outside of it um and its not like its not like distinct for me so i could be doing a guy and like have experiences of both a container and no container but its almost like the container isnt complete containing everything its like almost if you imagine the universe is in a container and theres endless something outside of that","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
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{"text":"so would it be accurate to say that when youre there your sense of what you are is that presence of fullness pervading everything","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"the fullness and so on um what happens in both cases both with the fullness and when i reach the more of a peaceful emptiness is um theres still a sense of an underlying field again like the self","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"so i guess im bringing a little more layer one into it","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"correct decision or path to take when presented","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"its its still its that very nondual sense","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
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{"text":"and then you can start you know when we start the layer three session","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"silence is really big","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"ive always thought i was moving deeper into layer two","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"fluidity and the highly sensitive person high absorption you know sort of sense is what im","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"doesnt feel like it has an ending feels bigger than the house","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"very strong return to the body","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"so what about a sense of spaciousness or emptiness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"so think of layer two as that sense of space spaciousness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"just sitting and staring and nature for ever possibly you know hoping squirrels bring you nuts or something so you have something to eat while youre staring out","label":16,"label_text":"loc5+"}
{"text":"this includes experiences like felicity or frustration though we must be careful here","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"if its layer three then uh it feels it feels like if i go beneath the spaciousness","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"minds seemed much quieter","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"so layer one you know if your attention is centered there its going to be primarily focused on thoughts and emotion if theyre around","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"  wanted to share it but it was just so so beautiful just everything shining with love i mean it was just so im im hoping thats going to be my hook into into location three and then i honestly would love because you know i would really love to be able to serve them all go everywhere but i do have to and thats really not advisable at this stage is it like in terms of making a living and and staying","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"maybe a sense of stillness or beingness if that makes sense","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"big distinction is often in the sense of whether or not there is a union or a merging or a dissolving into or a sameness or you know and and no difference from and i am sort of you know that presence that shows up you know you know to borrow your word from a minute ago channeling jesus you know you know is you know is is there a merger or a union with jesus","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
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{"text":"but then at the same time the other theres like another perception oh that location to me is still a separate me and then that thing thats looking at that you can see that theres a greater sense of nonduality thats possible","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"the freedom at location four","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
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{"text":"guess its very interesting because the very act of me looking at it shifts what the perception of it mm if i if im just in it it doesnt really feel like its part of the field but if i step out of it maybe my system is slightly informed by deeper states so then it can it can just sense that sense of self that is there but when im in it i guess what im really in it where one is an active enough to really say oh there is that sense of self but so i dont feel it in the moment but i can still feel it when im investigating it or looking at it its like a more subtle sense of the entire experience is a sense of self because their deeper experiences that dont even have that element of that subtle self","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"i mean its just the simplicity of it i mean layer four whats so interesting about it the deeper one goes the simpler gets","label":29,"label_text":"lay4"}
{"text":"when youre in location four you give yourself a little bit you know more likely access to path of freedom versus path of humanity","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":" but what it suggests is that its possible that youre having shallower experiences of layer three that youre not recognizing as layer three or not paying attention to because its not the thick liquid um experience that was probably more powerful um because even that sense of presence getting heightened the sense of aliveness pervading the spaciousness is in the direction of layer three beginning to be experienced as simultaneous with layer two","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"kind of isolated experience of what sounds layer four","label":29,"label_text":"lay4"}
{"text":"now after someone is more invested and sort of centered in layer three","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"spaciousness never really resonated even in jazz emptiness well just theres silence","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"even though their love for their partner is not personal they are so outwardly loving and caring that the person usually cannot tell it only becomes a problem if discussed and their partner cannot deal with the idea of it","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"location 5","label":16,"label_text":"loc5+"}
{"text":"up through that location layer one","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"the spaciousness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"well those qualities that youre describing are more qualities of layer three um youre describing you know a quality of a live aware beingness or presence that pervades everything everywhere um within everything so thats thats very much a layer three type description","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"like just at that crossing point of layer two where theres still enough of association with layer one for it to react to the experience of layer two that youre having and kind of produce that negative reaction","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"so the reason i say mostly is because i have had deeper experiences of the nonduality so even the nonduality i feel now theres still because i have deeper experiences of it i dont know if probably deep deep location too because there was still a little agency or emotion or maybe just temporary elements of going further theres still my system just still sees that theres still that like within that nonduality theres still a duality","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
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{"text":"spaciousness is coming i dont know how to describe it","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"a lower energy system as it comes into fundamental wellbeing more deeply can still seem like a heavy you know type of experience or whatever else what some people do including sanjay manchanda","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"yeah even the word space makes less sense its just like a well this is hard to describe but more of seeming like not knowing about space or distance or location or like putting this room in some context or this body in some context its just a less of that","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"although they may not be very good at remembering things","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"union","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"freedom","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"often have a noetic sense that everything is unfolding exactly as it should","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"communicating reality","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"charmed life","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"high degrees of fluidity its you know they are people who have reported celestial experiences","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"personal emotion","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":" its kind of operating from","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"what im wondering about your description there is whether or not one couldnt describe that as still some spaciousness that youre rooted in in terms of maybe not as deep as other spaciousness that youre experiencing but it doesnt sound to me like youre you know very deeply embedded in thoughts and emotions","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":" everything being fully loved","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"it seems pretty clear that im in location three layer three and its just theres just this strong overriding sense of joy and contentment","label":10,"label_text":"loc3lay3"}
{"text":"location 1","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"or get to layer three or location three thank you pardon and uh just to experience this sensation of joy and love connection with the divine um location four i i dont know i dont know about that just because i have a little boy and and i want to be able to be there and engage with him and feel something for him um but id like to see and id like to sink into the deeper deeper layers","label":10,"label_text":"loc3lay3"}
{"text":"um your system isnt necessarily recognizing that what youre experiencing is an entirely different quality of self um of what you are because its kind of like oh well selfs gone","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"thats a big difference to miss switching between those two types of things versus just getting to sort of that more subtle feeling of more individuated sense of self at layer one of location two","label":4,"label_text":"loc2lay1"}
{"text":"you dont have to fear location one you can leave access to duality as part of this","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"especially the ones that involve stories and that this can begin around location 2","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"as you might imagine the divine what one might associate with the divine but without necessarily it feeling divine in nature people who get that panpsychist version of location three","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"divine","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"fullness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"if you go through location four and dont deepen which means you dont get really isolated in layer four that makes it more likely youd be on the path of humanity","label":16,"label_text":"loc5+"}
{"text":"discomfort","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"creation reality the dream whatever is the stuff of the spaciousness is the stuff of the emptiness is the stuff of the spacious emptiness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"merging feeling","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"location three its like they sink more into some aspect of the qualities that hold them in location three at at layer three you know and they dont quite get to you know the the progression from layer four and then location four kind of standpoint","label":10,"label_text":"loc3lay3"}
{"text":"fullness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"so they dont have any fluctuation of emotion","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"layer three sort of presence thing then that would suggest that you are fluidly moving at least some of the time","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"its there and then i feel a sense of fullness really","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"the location four thing happened when i was aiming for location three","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"i had a message about something to do with my dad who died recently that was quite significant and yeah and i think i might be in location three right now","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"layer one in terms of your sense of self and your dominant perspective then there would be","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
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{"text":"peace and bliss","label":1,"label_text":"loc1lay2"}
{"text":"you can start with with layer two which youve already got great access to","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"like i often say if somebody has you know responsibility which is a corporate term for profit and loss responsibility sort of more financial responsibility for a firm or a division of a firm or something like that then probably location three","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"it appears as if the previous sense of self was nothing more than a story thats no longer relevant now the narrativeself and the way it colored the world both seem gone or at least significantly reduced","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"much lower energy pretty absent motivation um just kind of its i associate the emotionless with just drifting um but not in a distasteful way but just in a feel very downshifted um unmotivated um low energy just kind of a blob but not unpleasant","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"being beingness or presence or the divine","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"so that does sound like you know youre able to touch upon some aspects of layer three that begin to infuse the spaciousness of layer two having a very deep experience of layer two where you arent even getting that sense of a container like its already feeling more like a field","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"that sounds great okay so based on what i am hearing i would say that you absolutely have an experience of location to layer three cool im trying or not that also now whether or not you are and you know that already all right otherwise you would have had to skip this interview to be digging a trench somewhere to run some water lines you know because or youll never be running water lines without paying a few thousand dollars to get the thing fixed and then it breaks down two minutes later and costs you another couple thousand dollars or whatever right right um and so theres a but that doesnt preclude the possibility that some that you have fluidity over to you know location three layer three","label":10,"label_text":"loc3lay3"}
{"text":"location three combination layer one","label":8,"label_text":"loc3lay1"}
{"text":"and if you were in location three it would feel like youre in union with that presence but in a state of like increasing union like its just an ever deepening experience of you know coming into union or merger with with that presence of the divine","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"divine or of an all","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"bored","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"awareness become very thick and almost like a liquid","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
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{"text":"and you have location three i think the union experience um weve done you know weve spoken about it describing it if you havent experienced it of course its going to be something sort of hard to imagine","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"freedom","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"it sounds it all sounds very fundamental wellbeing but not necessarily celestially","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"i mean it is a thing to do it but one thing that you can do from a fundamental wellbeing standpoint is you can use your access to the other layers as a part of this process","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"if you the degree to which you want a lot of fluidity is more or less the degree to which youre willing to resist various gravities that show up at different points in fundamental wellbeing","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"the fullness does still feel like its here again um","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"aliveness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"nondual","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"as you probably know are best of love and ascension um also unprovoked happiness but thats also good for location for","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"the idea of spaciousness or is there an analog in your system in terms of the idea of silence","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"fundamental wellbeing version where its like oh this is way better than all of these other stimuli","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"emotions","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"nondual","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"any form of nondual perception","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"them in","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"fullness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"but then at the same time the other theres like another perception oh that location to me is still a separate me and then that thing thats looking at that you can see that theres a greater sense of nonduality thats possible","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
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{"text":"its possible so the term presence could you know people can very much use that for layer two that term is very generic in some ways definitely has the most resonance with layer three but layer two can be described that way and the way youre describing it you know it being everything and containing everything or everything being within it showing up within it is more a layer two type of description","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"fullness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"i think this life purpose thing is one of the things that changed after going to location four","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"location 3","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"to location 4 finders the words that come out of their mouth and the words that come from the person they are speaking with all seem to originate from the same source","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"personal emotion","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"location two","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"mystical experiences","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"location 2","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"this location and the sense of union that accompanies it feels amazing and it is viewed as the pinnacle of spiritual or religious experience in many traditions","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"m going through all this is like in my mind to get me there is all is god god is everywhere all is love love is everywhere there is only this right so thats my my mental loop to try to get me there and get me into feeling into that space um uh and then so thats three three and two three its more of taking the spaciousness of layer two and then feeling into the presence that shows up into layer two and not quite filling the space wouldnt be quite accurate but shifting the space from feeling the emptiness to feeling the presence","label":11,"label_text":"loc3lay4"}
{"text":"spaciousness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"cosmos appears or its just that eternal existence","label":29,"label_text":"lay4"}
{"text":"location to layer three the charmed life kind of thing is to have things come to you if that can be used as a phrase or at least using the agency to kind of make that happen","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"infinite emptiness or spaciousness and everything just shows up within it and disappears within it","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"emptiness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"theres just absolutely no guarantee once you jump across that location five channel but you get the idea","label":16,"label_text":"loc5+"}
{"text":"i think that s probably important to recognize as a boost in wellbeing","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"yeah yeah i think so yeah","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"so when it comes into a cruelty kind of are damaging people that really riles me like of the things that can trigger me","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"spaciousness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"i think im more prone to experiencing layer three","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"fullness with the presence","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"spaciousness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"conditioning","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"layer two","label":5,"label_text":"loc2lay2"}
{"text":"and then when you realize your all of your attention is on layer one","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"fundamental wellbeing","label":24,"label_text":"tfwc"}
{"text":"divine quality","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"location 4 finders feeling more at ease in communicating across a wide variety of people the difference is one of degree","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"individualized portions of their self going away","label":16,"label_text":"loc5+"}
{"text":"they might have missed enough work that curious coworkers came looking for them found them passed out on their living room floor and called an ambulance","label":21,"label_text":"loc5"}
{"text":"fullness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"emptiness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"involved such a remarkably positive single metaemotion that the absence of emotion","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"it will still probably have you centered and primarily looking from location one","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":" yeah it was when my dad died yeah yeah and you know i was like crying but i was like well this is just love so this is okay i wouldnt say this is i want it to stop yeah","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"awareness field like presence stillness the vibrancy so theres just the fullness of course so","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"see what that has to to reveal to you um and what that can sort of contribute to your system and its flexibility and the perspective that it gives and then you can move on to location three","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"impersonal love sense merging","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"youre experiencing layer one","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"subjective sense that you are the thinker and you are the agent of the thoughts rather than what youre probably experiencing","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"path of humanity","label":16,"label_text":"loc5+"}
{"text":"so the love side felt a little the love facet sort of felt a little blocked did it feel like it was it feel like all of these these things were sort of present as one unified kind of meta emotion at one time with just different facets forward like a joy facet forward at some times a love facet forward at another time","label":8,"label_text":"loc3lay1"}
{"text":"sense of the divine","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"everything that theyve ever heard or read or seen or whatever its all been about union with the divine or union with god or union with whatever deity or whatever","label":10,"label_text":"loc3lay3"}
{"text":"emptiness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"fullness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"stronger emotional triggers such as those involving close family can persist longer","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"the all pervading aliveness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"and you can use that period to work on exploring and deepening into layer three where youre already at but you could also start seeing if you can develop some fluidity or access to layer three","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"location three on a holiday for a week with your kids","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"personal love there in location too","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"like no sound at all","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"that that aloneness quality that seems to come up sometimes in association with layer two","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"emptiness or the flatness and the spaciousness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"and it all sounds like location four to me","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"you cant find any emotions you cant find a sense of agency","label":16,"label_text":"loc5+"}
{"text":"reality was perceived as","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"aliveness","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"spacious","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"they are also more likely to be able to manipulate the overall process by effecting whats happening at current or arising layers this was typically possible at location 1","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"when we used words for it before we went to numbers we used awareness we called it the awareness layer","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"like when i met when i meditate or if i do someone noting im always saying im being being a lot","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"it just sounds like its in the direction of fundamental well being type of stuff to me","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"a shallow location to with access to layer one","label":4,"label_text":"loc2lay1"}
{"text":"so this and i think most christians have a more temporary experience of that theyre not as rooted in to location two layer three and you know their prayers occasionally work i think when they work theyre closer sort of in that type of direction or whatever and so you can you can maintain fluidity use location to layer three like that and not you know not have to lock that in for any period of time","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"depression participants reported that even","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"i had another experience when i was doing the 45 days course where i was less functional at work none of you can throw some light on this i i seem to get caught in not being able to think actually which is a bit of a problem because you know as a therapist you do need to plan the session you need to bring the session to a conclusion you need to strategize you need to be thinking about what the client needs and all i could do was respond to what they just said for the whole session","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"depending upon their individual capability in this area finders may be able to choose to observe the orienting response feel the physiological sensation or first inklings of thought that they know will soon bring anger and consciously note it","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"really just the benefits of what can be reconditioned stuff that i i guess really just blacked out or maybe just lives in in that location three zone that just right now because even right now i can feel what its sort of this slight deadness like its like just blacked out but in location three if it would come up it wouldnt have to be blocked like even the block itself of location two seems to be some sort of i dont know the thing that ive put in or some shield some protective thing that but it feels very subtle or it feels like its literally infused with the actual feeling of vocation to layer three but being in three three that that feeling itself was like i dont really need that necessarily","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"its a deeper quality of layer three that you were you were experiencing where it really can feel deathless eternal untouchable no sense of an individual self youre deep in it so theres nothing to die its obviously extraordinarily present at that point and","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"and location two could go back and forth","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"sense of an all pervading presence","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"both empty and full","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"nondual","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"you know there are other side benefits you know its but one of the benefits of that system is the authority associated with it you know having someone say okay now this and feeling a sense in the system very much like a christian does and turning something over to jesus or turning something over to christ or something like that right so its up to you to do that in this case and youve seen this a million times and people who have come to you you know hoping to transition to fundamental wellbeing theyve got to give permission to give up their old life","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"sense of like holiness","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"lot of divinity going","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"sense of freedom","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"agency","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"shift into layer three as a sense of what you are and into the fullness","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"yeah like yeah after the first after the transition to like location one","label":17,"label_text":"loc1"}
{"text":"conditioning","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"the layer three stuff seems a lot less accessible than the layer two triggers","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"spaciousness sounds more accessible than emptiness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"so spaciousness is probably the most accessible thing aside from silence","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"cant have the look or see without without going into the mind","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"all of that is is much more likely to show up with layer three than it wouldnt be","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"nondual perception","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"i want to say infinite completeness","label":29,"label_text":"lay4"}
{"text":"senseless","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":"empty","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"love and compassion","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"but then because you didnt really lock it in you can you know read and absorb other materials when you really dive into something like youre diving into these materials rather than just casually skimming a book on it or something you know it can move you more in the direction of different experiences weve seen this a lot it happens with people who are freshly in fundamental wellbeing who dont have a lot of who havent watched a lot of spiritual videos or read a lot of books from you know about fundamental wellbeing or whatever to them","label":23,"label_text":"tfw"}
{"text":"a feeling that you are the thinker im not sure whether what youre describing is really shifting your identity or whether youre just shifting the focus of your attention to be you know almost entirely occupied with thought or with you know speaking personality aspects and so on so that shift that were looking for if its you know true fluidity to layer one that would mean not only is your attention occupied with the contents of layer one but also the sense of self has moved into layer one like you are the personality you are the thinker you are the one speaking you know generating those","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"and your spiritual system happens to end at a certain point of layer three in location two","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"i think it s and i think it s more because i feel more connected to other people as well","label":6,"label_text":"loc2lay3"}
{"text":"without that sense of you know a looker and all of that its and self behind the eyes and all of that its you know its going to be location too so we know were in location two which is what i would expect","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"no agency","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"the body can can relax and and the blocks can can relax as well and a feeling of of of being of being connected to my environment feeling that around me and through me and more through through through the center of the of the of the heart area and feeling like it it is looking back at me and and yeah feeling a sense of of emptiness or loneliness or loneliness but but then it can change and it feels quite quite full and and that arises also within within the center of my heart or my space when my heart is and if i sort of feel feel feel into my heart theres a sense of sacredness or our maternal beingness there like a like a feeling of of of purity of purity of timelessness like like a sense of a sense of perfection um expression or play and um yeah sort of so thats when i do the exercises where i stop and look and thats what i tend to find but i guess sort of in my day to day life i feel as though me and i still have i still feel like im a self ive got a body but but i can just take a moment and i can i can feel that spaciousness around me and and often like ill work quite a lot so often ill be quite tired and i do that energy that really changes i feel much more energized and relaxed when i do that","label":2,"label_text":"loc1lay3"}
{"text":"emptiness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"to me when i see luminosity its not so much when with with physical eyes if that makes sense its more like a seeing within mhm","label":10,"label_text":"loc3lay3"}
{"text":"god","label":19,"label_text":"loc3"}
{"text":"not too aware of other things and and yeah the thoughts also carry a different nature again this happened again after like ten 15 years ago after i read eckhart tolles book the power of now and then after a few years something changed also in how my thoughts were it changed from being a narrative self inside myself to being very subtle thoughts that are quicker and this actually bothered me a lot during my meditation retreats and so on because i found it harder to kind of deal with the mind because thoughts could just come up really rapid pace it still happens and doesnt feel the thoughts have kind of not much substance to it and it feels like a different quality and i would say i couldnt even call it like inspiration it just emerges disappears relevant to to what im doing","label":28,"label_text":"lay3"}
{"text":" so like i tend to function at location one in the mind i think but but with the exercise that we did with the introspection exercise um i could sort of feel space around my body um and and or behind my body really like i guess ive got it written down here some of the notes i took um so im feeling of of existing beyond my body um especially the back of my body like the back of my body doesnt exist and this can change so it feels like my my body doesnt exist um can feel like the body this way and and our space im moving through the world","label":2,"label_text":"loc1lay3"}
{"text":"but was that experience that you have you know of the divine presence that you have in location two","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"path of freedom","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"it knows that its centered in your head its again part of your individualized sense of self so yeah so thats location two","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":"youve got another direction you can use to sink into nonduality","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"fourno self","label":20,"label_text":"loc4"}
{"text":"location one layer two right now because im feeling that im seeing from the body um but at the same time its like completely different from before because im like the peace and the stillness","label":1,"label_text":"loc1lay2"}
{"text":"the silence and stillness stuff that you talk about that runs through everything which it should im just talking about sort of the more distinctive qualities so spaciousness and then emptiness","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"and then the mind comes in with resistance at that point or deepening in that direction just kind of trying to keep your identity somewhat centered around layer one","label":26,"label_text":"lay1"}
{"text":"finders experiencing this can seem atypically antisocial and rude during this period","label":18,"label_text":"loc2"}
{"text":" i think thats maybe why layer two seems less familiar","label":27,"label_text":"lay2"}
{"text":"we want to think about it that i think part of it is always with someone that we have to you know really come to grips with that really give our systems permission for that really communicate that were okay with that youve spent a long time now telling your system this is what i want experience wise something like this it doesnt have to be exactly like this im open to some variation but you know within these boundaries right and now youre more or less saying something very different than that to go to location four layer four and location three","label":11,"label_text":"loc3lay4"}
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