In the mid ’90s he moved into the new media interactive realm. This is due in part to the cost blow-out in 16mm production. His two experimental CD ROM works ‘The Good Cook’ and ‘The Swear Club’ are short interactive fragmented narratives that explore interlocking memories from which the audience constructs meaning. These works are influenced by his experimental film-making background, an influence which continues with his current interactive project researching uses of ‘Gesture’ across moments in time and location.