davidaulloa/AmericanStories huggingface dataset:
The Petal paper. [volume] (Petal, Miss.) 1953-19??, 1963-11-07
DIALOGUE WITH FIR. AUGUST THOMPSON
CONTINUED From Page y

full and uDhampered participation
in Christian life and worship?
Griffin: Do you, as priest, feel
any direct effects of prejudice
within the Church?
Thompson: Yes, some Catholics
will not even call me Father
they dodge around such an en-
dearing term by calling me Rev.
&rend or Padre or something like
that. OF course, there are many
churches and functions which /
do not attend. Wen talk about
that later.
In other areas Of activity, pre-
JUDGE cOmplicates the priestly life
at the personal level. / am rarely
invited, for example to do any
thing with other priests - to 60
fishing, for example, or make a
trip. But this is simply the way
things are, and does not indicate
prejudice on their part necess-
sfily. In general, priests enjoy
such recreation and indeed many
nOn-recreatiOnal pastimes with
one another. l am not directly ex-
Guided from such activities, am
just never included in them. OF
course there are really very few
places where Negro and
Caucasian priest can 60 together
in the South. Everything is segre-
gated. In the early days of my
priesthood, this isolation was very
difficult for me- It is hard to be
young and to be alone and to try
to live the priestly life without
the companionship of fellow
priests. The Grace of God makes
it possible, of course.
Griffin: Father, when / lived
for time as Negro in the Deep
South, my greatest S h o k came
with the discovery that if there
was a Negro Catholic Church in
the area, l had better attend that
one and that / was not free to go
to Mass for example in the white
church, even if that happened to
be much nearer. Most Catholics
are under the illusion that the
Catholic Church has no faint of
this kind of segregation = that
any Catholic can a TT e n d any
Catholic church anywhere in the
world. / recall that when a Negro
companion first mentioned the
Negro Catholic Church." / told
him there was no such thing. But
in practice, there is this kind OF
distinction, isn't there?
Thompson: I'm afraid there is.
When we refer to the Negro
church, it means two things: first,
it means the church that is located
in the Negro neighbOrhoOd, where
Negroes are expected to attend, as
people within any given parish
are expected to attend their parish
church; second, it means also that
all Negroes in the vicinity, even If
they happen to live miles away
and are located in an area served
only by white" church, are ex-
pected to come to the N gro
church. Or, if the distance is in
ordinate, then Negroes can re-.
ceive the Sacraments at the local
white church, but usually with
a special protocol-they sit in a
section reserved for them and they
do not 60 to the Communion
Table until all whites have re-
ceived and returned to their place.
Let me tell you something else.
In an area where there is Negro
church, if we have one Mass or two
Masses at the Negro church and
Negro cannot attend either Of them
for some legitimate reason; then,
..,x,.. <l,~,xxrl, <lnoro MIGHT he two or
The Petal paper. [volume] (Petal, Miss.) 1953-19??, 1963-11-07

Il
Mass in his home church he has
no obligation to attend Mass
elsewhere?
Thompson: It's tradition and it's
also practice. II he went to some
white churches, he would simply
be put out. This doesn't seem pOss-
IDLE, but in practice it's true
enough. He would not be accepted.
! know of an instance where there
was only one Negro Catholic in a
town and the parish there paid
someone 70 drive this person every
Sunday TO. the nearest town where
there was a Negro CathOli c
Church-this rather than let the
person worship with them. have
people come to my church from as
fer as seventeen miles away, and
some from towns ten or ei 6 h
miles away.
Griffin: How do these people
react, Father?
Thompson: They often talk with
me about it. 1t is very hard-not
that they mind the hardship Of
coming such distances - but it is
hard for them TO accept the fact
that we Catholics preach one thing
and then practice another.
Griffin: Do they often protest.
Thompson: Some do. Most often,
though, they love their faith too
much TO do anything that might
cause scandal. They try to keep
the peace" and offer up any sacri-
flee this causes. They keep silent
Griffin: Do you think silence in
the face of such a gross religious
injustice is wise, Father?
Thompson: I doubt its wisdom
when the silence serves to prolong
the injustice. The longer we have
this sort of scandal among Catho-
lies, the more harm it does the
church. 1t alienates potential con-
verts, both Negro and White.
Griffin: F h er, you received
much of your seminary training in
the South. Were you aware of any
discrimination as a seminarian-
either within or outside the semin-
airy? Did the fact that you were
seminarian nullify any of the
prevailing prejudices?
Thompson: The fact that l am a
priest has not nullified them, so
they were certainly not nullified
by the fact that ! was a semin-
arian. There were certain churches
/ could not enter then just as there
are churches and church activities
first communiOns, combinations,
Cana Conferences-where l am not
allowed now, where / cannot say
a scheduled Mass.
Griffin: How are you made
aware that you should not attend
these things, Father? Does some
one actually tell you that you
should not?
Thompson: have been told, yes.
have been told that / should not
attend these functions or say
Mass.
Griffin: So you are segregated as
a priest also. Is this the same fol
all Negro priests in the South?
Thompson: Well, let's say that
in some areas, we Negro priests
might be called second class
Christs, if that's possible.
Griffin: We know that we do
have the prof ound scandal Of
second class Catholics II mean
this is a thing that is too well
known to hide any longer, but
when it is the 81 d ! Of q
second class Christ" it becomes
uncomfortable. You are really a
Negro first and q priest second,
The Petal paper. [volume] (Petal, Miss.) 1953-19??, 1963-11-07
THE PETAL PAPER

not just me-it's others-it's the
scandal of it as it affects other
Catholics that hurts the deepest.
Griffin: Have you spoken this
frankly to Others-tO priests and
members of the hierarchy?
Thompson: 1 think / have done
my share Of speaking frankly.
Griffin: How has this b e n
received?
Thompson: ! don't think l sue
ceeded in making myself clear
The simplest facts in this sort of
problem tend TO sound like COM
planning. 1t is suggested that / do
not appreciate the complexities Of
the problem. But still, this does
not nswer the questions, nor,
much more Importantly, does it
give me answers to the questions
that others are asking.
Griffin: Yes, now, you as a priest
obviously cannot keep this COM
pletely from your parishiOners.
And eventually the whole Negro
community knows about it. How
do your Pensioners and the po-
tential converts in your commun-
nty feel about this? Or do you
hide it from them?
Thompson: I do not think such
things should be hidden, but ]
guess / do hide it as much as pOss-
IDLE. hide it because l know this
is not the Church, but only the
sinful acts of other Catholics-we
have to make that clear But
nothing can really be hidden. Let
me give you an example of how
this affects new converts. Last
year we went to Christ the King
rally where every parish was sup
posed to be represented. We went
there to give honor to Christ the
King of the whole world. At this
rally, l was the only Negro in the
procession. The egro families
who accompanied me-all of them
converts of recent years-watched
from the sidelines. They saw that
we had only white altar boys and
flower girls-no Negro children
in that procession. Well, things
like that stand up and cry to be
seen, and you can be sure that
the full impact of it hit every one
of my Pensioners. And they
wanted to know why. why,
Father, why?" They ask this all
the time, and have no answers.
What can l tell them? How can l
explain this sort of thing?
Griffin: Father, what is being
done by groups like Caritas, the
Grail and so forth?
Thompson: These groups, and a
number of others, h ave done a
tremendous amount of wOrk-and
still do q tremendous amount Of
work among Negroes. They are
sometimes frowned upon by white
c a holics and Disseminated
against.
Griffin: Do you see any per-
ceptible change for the better?
What about Bishop Gerow's recent
statement after the m u d er Of
Medgar Evers in Mississippi?
Thompson: / was heartened to
see this statement. have it right
here. l as particularly. heartened
by this. He said: II am ashamed
when / review the events Of re-
cent days and weeks. AS a loyal
son of Mississippi and a man Of
God, feel in conscience COM
PEELED to speak out in the face Of
the grave racial situation in which
we now find ourselves. This prob
lem is Enthusiastically q moral one.
We need frankly to admit that the
guilt for the murder Of MIR. EverS
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1963-08-11
Chorus Girl

MY last Broadway play
was For Heavens Sake,
Mother In 1913, and IL you
remember that one you're
good" she said. II was In
the ensemble Of The Passing
Show at the Winter Garden,
along with Joan Crawford.
That job got me started In
motion pictures, and I sup
pose I made about IS films.
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1963-08-11
Nancy Still Displays
All That Exuberonce

81 never had an agent.
Friends would say / should
make more money, so I'd go
to the producer and say, I
want more money didn't
really care about money; all
/ wanted was to be famous
and get fan letters. Once
when / put my more-money
demand to q producer, he
asked what / was making
and I didn't know. He told
me to go to the teller on
Saturday and get paid off in
cash. / never saw so much
money In my life - and I
stopped asking for a raise"
Learned to Listen
Nancy, who was wearing
dreamy pink, accepted q
vodka and tonic and said:
when I drink I drink any,
thing that's poured" She
is now married to Jappe
Groen, q Dutchman who de-
signs and manufactures boats
in Mexico City. Her first
husband was Jack Kirkland,
now living In Manhattan.
Her second was the late Boots
Mallory.
"Jappe and I have q pent-
house In Mexico City, on
what seems to be the equiva-
lent of the Champs Elysee. I
love Mexican food and buried
myself in Mexico for some
years. Now we're off to
Central City, then Rochester,
N. Y; Toronto, Cleveland,
Pittsburgh and Chicago. I
think we have Chicago's kind
of play and will have a long
run there.
"I learned now to listen
when I appeared in California
in q play called Chicago
Clark Gable was in the COM
pany and what a darlingl"
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1963-08-11
You Want a Part?
Just Ask for 1t

HOLLYWOOD (NANA) -
When Don Red" Barry saw
Producer A. G. Lyles in the
Paramount conamissary sand
said pleadingly, you've got
every Western oldtimer but
me in Law Of the Lawless.'
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1963-08-11

When do I start?" Lyles
promptly replied. "Tomorrbw
morning at T."
Barry joins a cast headed
by Dale Robertson, YvorIhe
De Carlo and William Ben
dix and including such vets
as Barton MacLane, Richard
Arlen, Bruce Cabot, Kent
Taylor, Bill Williams, John
Agar and Lon CLANCY. il.
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1963-08-11
BY WARD MoREHOUsE


North American Newspaper Alliance
NEW YORK.-Nancy Car
roll retains all the exuber-
ance that belonged to her
when she was the darling Of
the back room at Tony
Soma's west side speakeasy.
In the era Of her stardom in
motion pictures. Her hair
Is defiantly red, her eyes
wide and blue. and her face
an innocent valentine.
Since the hysteria Of the
1905 and 1905 she has had
q series Of setbacks and
comebacks. but she has never
been broke, or anywhere near
1t: I'm q penurious Irish
man. I made a lot of money
In pictures and I've got It,"
She has toured extensively
In summer stock and has
made many television APP
pearances.
Again ON Tour
Now Nancy is once again
on the comeback trail. She's
on tour in the hit Broadway
comedy, Never Too Late"
which opened August 3 at the
famous Opera House in Cen
trail City, Colo, and contin-
ueS there through August 81.
She has the Maureen O'Sul-
Ivan role In the national
company, playing opposite
William Bendix. win Hutch
ms fills the role originated
on Broadway by Orson Bean.
And Just how did this come
about? Well, Nancy's daugh-
ter, Patricia Kirkland, who
Is an agent, got her the job,
reversing the usual procedure.
IT dearly love our company
and oh, I'm so glad to be back
In show business" said Nam
cy Just before she left New
York. 'Bill Bendix and I
had signed five-year con-
tracts to do o television series
together, but we got out Of
them. We had q final run
through here the other eve
ming and everybody was so
wonderful to me - Maureen
and Paul Ford and our d.
rector, George Abbott. We
used to call George O carpen-
ter, but not I'm convinced
he's q genius"
Nancy was born right here
In Manhattan on Tenth ave-
nue., or what she calls "Dou-
BILE Fifth" And yes, her
mother came from Ireland.
At IL she was q Wall Street
typist until her age was dis
covered and she was
bounced. In another early
show Of bravado she way
laid William Ran dolph
Hearst and got from him a
large donation for q Catholic
charity. She was about IA
at the time.
A Chorus Girl
MY last Broadway play
was For Heavens Sake,
Mother In 1913, and IL you
remember that one you're
good" she said. 81 was In
the ensemble Of The Passing
Show at the Winter Garden,
along with Joan Crawford.
FE5l- -
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1963-06-23
Italians Take
Bridge Title

ST. VINCENT, Italy, Sunday,
June % (AP).-Italy won an
unprecedented sixth straight
world contract bridge champion
ship early today. The Italians
rallied from a 2l-point deficit
to overcome the North Ameri-
cans in the key match Of the
nine-day tournament.
The final score, in interna-
tional match points, was Italy
3l3. North America 294. Their
final session began Saturday
and ran several hours past
midnight.
In the other Saturday match,
France defeated Argentina, 453-
.3l9, assuring last place for the
South American champions.
Italy's final round, against
Argentina later today, is a
formality. He Italian team
headed into that 48-deal ses-
sion with a lead Of 81 Interna-
tional Match Points. 246-184.
The North Americans clos
ing session, against France,
was rated as a probable victory
for the Americans. They lead
France 249-l96.
The telling session was the
second one Saturday. Ameri-
can captain John Gerber had
noticed signs Of partnership
troubles. He made the bold
formality. The Italian team
established pairs and teaming
move of breaking two Of his
Howard Schenken Of New York
with @. Robert Nail Of Hous-
ton. The move conceded with a
sudden stiffening Of the Italian
resistance. Italy scored A
IMPS while holding the Amer
leans TO only 5. The Ameri-
can team lost another IMP in
the final l6-deal session when
Italy scored 35 to their "a.
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1963-06-23

the Charter Of Punta del Este. "
This is the basic document Of
the Alliance signed in Uruguay
in August, 1861.
In working over the national
plans with the various expert
agencies already established,
Mr.. Moscoso believed that the
new Inter-American Develop
ment Committee would recon-
mend how much aid each
country could absorb.
"A lot of self -discliplining is
going to have to be done by
Latin Americans themselves"
he said.
Mr.. Moscoso also believed
that Mr.. Lleras Camargo's rec
concentrations were more bal
anced" than those of Mr..
KubitSchek. While the Colon
bian ex president analysed
Latin American shortcomings
in making the Alliance work,
the Brazilian ex-president con-
centrated on United States
failures.
Proposal Impossible"
Mr.. Kubitschek's proposals
were too extreme" Mr.. Moscoso
explained. HE would virtually
exclude the United States from
the decision-making on aid.
That would be an impossible
situation"
I'VE can go no farther than
the present arrangement for
the Social Progress Trust Fund
in the Inter-American Develop
ment Bank" he said.
This fund is set up with 1894
million United States aid dol
lars. They are allocated to de-
serving projects by informal
vote of the bank board of di-
rectors. But approval must be
by a two-thirds majority. Since
voting power on the board is
apportioned according to each
governments contribution to
the overall capital of the Inter-
American Bank, and since the
United States contributes Al
per cent Of that capital, the
United States exercises an "in-
formal veto" over all projects.
Opposes New Agency
Mr.. Moscoso also did not take
kindly to another of Mr.. Ku-
bitSchek's proposals that a new
autonomous agency be set up
inside the United States to CO.
ordinate all United States deal
ings with Latin America.
I'VE went through that one
last year and decided to drop
the idea," said Mr.. Moscoso.
1T would be too expensive to
set UP a new agency, and would
make coordination with our
policy in other areas of the
world more difficult"
las for co-ordinating Latin
American aid" he added, I'VE
are doing it right from our
office here in the Agency for
International Development"
Mr.. MoscoSo also added that
under the new policy of AID
Director David Bell, more de-
cisions on Latin American loan
applications are being made in
the field.
This cuts down on red tape
here" he said, land should cut
down on the number of Latin
Americans coming to Wash
ington with aid requests"
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1963-06-23

hemisphere which would be in
continuous operation" Mr.,
Moscoso said in an interview.
His is the first official United
States reaction to proposals put
by two leading n-American
statesmen for a new Inter-
American Development Com
mittee. In separate reports to
the Organization of American
States, a week ago, former
President Juscelino Kubitschek
of Brazil and Alberto Lleras
Camargo of Colombia strongly
criticized current United States
domination of Alliance affairs.
In Early Study Stage
Mr.. Moscoso emphasized that
their recommendations are still
in the first stage of study in
the State Department and
White House. No decisions are
likely before the top-level meet
ing Of hemisphere economics
ministers in Sac Paulo, Brazil,
in october.
Properly constituted, the
new body could be something
like the Organization of Euro
pean Economic Cooperation
under the Marshall Plan, with
the ability to make recommen-
dations about aid distribution
to Latin America" Mr.. Moscoso
said.
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1963-06-23
Most Tree Forms
Are in the South

ATLANTA, Ga. - Sixty per
cent of the Nations tree farms
and 81 per cent of their acre.
age are in the IL Southern
pine States.
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1963-06-23
Alliance Foce-Liftinq
Fovored by Moscoso
BY GEORGE SHERMAN
star staff Writer

Moscoso chief of United States operations in the
Alliance for is prepared Ito along quite far"
with sweeping proposals to give the Alliance hemisphere
face-lifting.
eve would like to set up co-ordinating forum for the
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1963-06-23
Strict Aid Criteria

He was careful to add, how
ever, that the new organization
would have to abide by strict
laid criteria" laid down by
Congress.
1.-TWO different sets Of OBJ
jectives must be meshed to-
gether," he said. First, the
Latin Americans must have
greater participation in the
direction of the Alliance. Sec
ond, the United States must
have guarantees that require
ments for using American aid
are carried out"
AS proposed by the two Lat
in leaders, the nter-American
Development Committee would
be composed of one leading
representative from each Of the
20 governments in the Alliance.
For efficiency only six al a
time would serve in six-month
intervals. The United States
representative would be a
permanent member, and the
five others would be chosen
each time from five groups of
Latin-American countries put
together geographically.
Cites Reforms Factor
Presumably the various
governments would submit
their national plans to the De-
velopment Committee" Mr..
Moscoso explained. They
would also have to show that
they are instituting the basic
reforms they promised under
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1963-01-20

n EGENDS in many parts of the world tell
of cities lost in the sea- Atlantis, the
best known of these, has been the object of
searchers for centuries.
Today, on the Eastern Shore of Virginia,
one can see the remains of such place, the
name of which, symbOlically, was Broadwater.
Broadwater was on Hog Island, one of the
chain that extends along Virginia's Atlantic
coast Hog Island Cwhat is left of it is divided
from Parramore, its neighbor to the north, by
Little Machipongo Inlet and from Cobb, to the
south, by Great MachipOngo Inlet
Slim, sandy and sparsely wooded, Hog IS
land once was called MachipOngO, the Indian
term for fine sand and mosquitoes"
Of mosquitoes, and blood sucking flies as
well, there were aplenty because several miles
of bays, channels and tidal marshes separate
Hog Island from the mainland. Old timers tell
in one breath what Utopia BrOadwater was,
and in another breath tell ofthe small branches
everyone carried to beat off the insects.
How Hog Island gots its name seems uncer-
tain. Some think it came from the first light
house, called Hog Island Light, built in 1883
One story has it that it originated with load of
hogs from a wrecked ship that swan ashore
and ran wild.
That first lighthouse is now mound Of
rubble two miles out to sea, victim of the
oceans Unsuitable appetite. The remains Of a
second lighthouse, 100 feet tall, built in 1892,
today are OOyards in the surf. 1t was destroyed
in 1913 and the light is now in the Mariners
Museum at Newport News.
In its heyday, Hog Island was four miles
wide at its south end where Broadwater stood
and seven miles long, with great stands Of pine,
oak and red cedar.
brief history of the island, written by
Charles D. Sterling in 1908, recOunts that there
were AZ dwellings in BrOadwater, church,
built in 1880. a school with "a pupils, two
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1963-01-20
TOWN BENEATH THE SEA
ONCE THRIVING BROADWATER VA,
HAS BEEN OVERCOME BY
THE STEADILY ENCROACHING ATLANTIC

Story and photos by CHARLES covELL
Outdoor Editor
stores, a summer hotel and spOrtsman's club
where Grover Cleveland used to vacation.
Grazing land brought SIS to $50 an acre
and building sites sold for SIPS an acre. That
year the island exported 10000 bushels of
oysters at SO cents bushel Each householder
had an income Of $3.50 year but it was seldom
spent because the islanders were almost COM
pletely self sufficient Broadwater lived by and
off the sea-
Archie Doughty, ST., Of Quinby, retired
fishing captain who moved off the island So
years ago, and his wife, widow of John H. Rob-
bins, the lighthouse keeper, remember the old
days well.
I'VE had everything" Captain Doughty
says. Even the framing for the houses came
from sunken ships that had lost their lumber
cargOes. I've seen the beach so covered that
you could walk on new boards from one end to
the other"
Although Hog Islanders, unlike some
others along the coast, never were accused Of
deliberately enticing ships to their doom,
wrecks provided other bOunties.
"Once ship loaded with buckwheat and
oatmeal went aground" Captain Doughty re-
calls. when the bags flOated ashore, took
them home, put the meal in kegs and raised
two of the latest hogs you ever saw
The sea provided other things fish, clans,
crabs, oysters and scallOps, long since gone
with the eel grass Even in those days, 6-inch
terrapin caught in one of the creeks brought
$3.50.
There were geese, brant and black duck to
shoot, along with clapper rails, snipe, curlew
and plOver. The brant would be blinded by
the lighthouse light" Mrs Doughty says, land
fly into it, We would find as many as IS around
the base some mornings"
The soil was very fertile, Captain Doughty
says. Watermelon vines stayed green until the
frost killed them White corn was turned into
Continued