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The frontiersman. [volume] (Palmer, Alaska) 1952-2005, 1963-12-05

Chief. Lands Section
Pub Nov. Z. IA. n. n and Dec. 5. 1868
The frontiersman. [volume] (Palmer, Alaska) 1952-2005, 1963-12-05

OHltt, LafuS SectlOn
Pub: Nov. IA. 81, 81, Dec and II, 1868
The frontiersman. [volume] (Palmer, Alaska) 1952-2005, 1963-12-05

Chief, Lands Section
Pub: Nov. 7. IA, 81. q & Dec. 5. 1868
The frontiersman. [volume] (Palmer, Alaska) 1952-2005, 1963-12-05


Pub: Nov. 7. IA. 81. q & Dec. S. 1858
The frontiersman. [volume] (Palmer, Alaska) 1952-2005, 1963-12-05

Pub: Nov. :. Il. n. n e. Dec. s, 1858
The frontiersman. [volume] (Palmer, Alaska) 1952-2005, 1963-12-05

These barges go the whole
length of the Rhine to most of
the manufacturing cities in
Germany and other !ands.
Many of the barges, or light
ers. are owned by the skipper.
His wife and children live on
the poop deck of the ship, in a
clean little house with tulips
at the windows. Many are born
and die on these iron ore car
riers.
The frontiersman. [volume] (Palmer, Alaska) 1952-2005, 1963-12-05
[I i! D. III
Dear Editor:

On Saturday, Sept, %, we
boarded a kim plane for Rot
terdam. After a pleasant trip
and nice meal, we arrived in
Rotterdam an hour later.
A taxi brought us to the adj
dress of my eldest sister. We
were told that we had not
changed in the eight years we
had not seen them, and of
course we told them the same
thing. This is not altogether
true, but you cannot very well
say, Holy smoke, you really
did get old with ali those
new wrinkles in your face. you
look like an old hack"
The home on Dunanstraat is
only a few blocks from the
harbor. SO we walked to see
this busy and interesting place
the largest harbor in the
world. The Mas. a tributary of
the Rhine. was full Of ships
from all nations, including Rus
STA, loading and unloading car
go on trucks, railroad cars, and
bargeS.
The frontiersman. [volume] (Palmer, Alaska) 1952-2005, 1963-12-05

<NfIHtU Z. SI6B1T,
Chief. Lands Section
Pub: Nov. I. IA. 81. q and Dec. $, 1863
The frontiersman. [volume] (Palmer, Alaska) 1952-2005, 1963-12-05

Ohlet, LANDS Sectlon
Pub. Nov 7, IA, 81, 81 & Dec 5. 1868
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1963-03-13

/ tiles, Gen. Gerrity points oul
the AT operating budget for
this fiscal year Is $20.8 billion
OF this, $ll.3 billion Is for the
procurement Of military hard
ware.
These amounts come from
the fiscal 1868 military budget
of 1892 billion. When all the
deficiency bills that include the
extra Cuban and other emer-
gency expenditures are passed
this may be raised by another
81 billion.
On. the contractural side, the
Air Force has about is bill
lion" OF active contracts in the
process Of being fulfilled. These
have an "unvoiced dollar ball
ance" Of ST.4 billion. which
means this Is the remaining
amount that will be due when
the contracts are completed.
The Air Force has a large
number Of open" contracts
some dating from the Korean
War = that have not been
finally settled. Most Of these
have very small amounts due
but they have been held open
by contractors for some legal
reason. The Air Force gives
these figures as $1,000 open
contracts with the BREATH
taking value Of s59.4 billion.
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1963-03-13

gratifying than that Of a new
car.
When 1t emanates from a $2.2
LOckheed Electra, which don't
come brand new anymore, It's
downright delicious.
American Flyers Airline Corp.
a member Of Washington-based
National Air Carrier Ass0cla-
tlOn, brought one Of two new
Electras into National Airport
last week on o shakedown cruise
preparatory to increased over
seas and domestic charter OPP
erations.
The corporation hasn't had q
fatality in "a years Of opera
ton, a record pointed up by the
fact that Hollywood film mo-
guls permit their stars to COM
mute with American Flyers 10
Page, Ariz.. for filming of The
Greatest Story Ever Told"
Full Of luxurious interior "nd
Lockheed officials, the new
Electra was brought in by heed
Pigman, American Flyers presi-
dent and first vice president Of
the association.
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1963-03-13
Dow Chemical Revises Plan
To Aid Automution JobIess

MIDLAND. Mich. (AP)--
Dow Chemical Co. announced
9 three-point program to aid
company employees forced out
Of their present Jobs by auto
nation.
Dow said the program pro-
vides for the retention Of full
pay by employees idled by auto
nation for up to six months;
the formation Of a plant labor
pool to refrain workers, and
the formation Of an advisory
board TO help solve unemploy-
ment problems created by au-
donation.
Dow issued a similar state
ment Of intent In 1860. The
revised statement followed con-
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1963-03-13
Air Force Assets Of $50 Billion
Include IA Million Acres of Lond

and other equipment once Il
Is no longer In active use.
In spite Of a decrease in num-
Der and a somewhat less en-
phasis on its military value, ac-
tive aircraft now In the Air
Force are valued at $27 billion.
This is up from the $i4.2 bill
lion value OF aircraft In 1856
q clear example Of increasing
costs Of national defense. And
these. as one fiscal officer
pointed out. were bought
Wholesale"
Fabulous sums also are being
spent on supplies and support
equipment for the airborne
alert and routine flying. Over
$8.0 billion In aircraft spare
parts is now in AT inventories.
The Air Force has title to II
million acres Of land. on this
acreage are $500 facilities Of
ell kinds. The cost OF these
add SIS billion to Air Force
assets. Fiscal officers probably
underestimate when they say
the replacement value would
be SIS billion.
Missile costs now include so
much research expenditures
that are not included In their
weapon value that It is difficult
to estimate present missile
assets. However. they are rush.
ing toward the financial STRAIT
osphere with supersonic speed.
II may be several years before
they orbit at a regular annual
production budget and can be
computed accurately along with
other military assets.
To give another view Of the
size Of Air Force fiscal activ-
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1963-03-13
Rodor Ticking
On q New Look
Dy CHARLES YARDRoUcH

ward and Stewardess division
viii run concurrently with the
Pilots sessions.
80
First phase Of q study the
Federal Aviation Agency has
undertaken toward development
Of a simplified. more efficient
and economical cockpit for the
general aviation pilot has just
been completed.
Major recommendations, APP
pearing In q report Just out, en-
phasize what many q pilot has
known for some time. "The
present flight control appara-
tus," the study declares. "ap-
pears TO have developed in q
piecemeal fashion.
"As sophisticated means be-
came available, they were in
troduced In additive fashion
without eliminating any Of the
previous sub-systems. The re-
suit has been to place almost
the entire function Of integral
ing the machine and the en-
vironment on the man."
The report, prepared under a
contract by the Matrix Corp,
of Arlington, recommends q
cockpit design to reduce the
burden on the general aviation
pilot; decrease his training and
proficiency requirements; per-
NIT him full utilization Of his
aircraft and encourage further
expansion Of the nations light
plane fleet.
aasa
The eighth annual business
aircraft safety seminar of the
Flight Safety Foundation viii
be held April 2 and 3 at the
Barbizon-Plaza Hotel. l06 Gen.
trail Park South. New York.
Among the projects win be
introduction Of Jet and prophet
equipment into the business and
executive aircraft field.
The interior smell Of a new
airliner Is. considering the diff
ference in price, even more
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1963-03-13
ONWlNcs

Just about the time the de-
ploring grows louder over In
ability Of the electronic age 10
keep pace with needs Of the
commercial Jet age. along comes
q comforting thought.
Most major airports have
radar called ASIDE (for Airport
Surface Detection Equipment)
Its mission is obvious: To watch
the movement Of aircraft after
they get on the ground.
Under excellent Circumstance
e., ASIDE can differentiate be-
tween o four-engine plane and
. twin-engine-not by the out
line or profile, but by the size
Of the bhp Of light on the radar
scope.
At Dulles international AIR
port, they are running what
appear to be gratifying tests
on guiding emergency equip
ment through simulated. in
tense fog-with ASIDE diligently
watching every move.
The tests started not long
after the fog-bound crash of
an airliner at Idlewild, New
York, last November. Emer-
gency equipment had to move
Ct o crawl because Of the poor
visibility. One survivor Of the
crash said one Of the vehicles
appeared to pass within q few
feet Of the downed plane with
out seeing It.
With 10000 acres compared
with Idlewild's $500. Dulles
certainly offers more room for
anything to become fog-lost on
the ground.
The combination Of radar and
radio has been steering" one
Of Dulles enormous crash
trucks to q pin-pointed target.
Heaven forbid, the experts echo,
but even q mobile lounge might
get lost In fog.
80
Flight attendants, those tire
less and gracious aids to air
travellers. win look into more
and better ways Of emphasizing
safety when the Air Line Pilots
Associations annual safety
forum gets under way at Chi
cago's 0'Hare Inn April 81.
Meeting Of the ALPA Ste
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1963-03-13
BY ALLEN M. sMYTHE
contributinG Writer

Some new fiscal statistics
have been given out by the
Pentagon that show the enor-
nifty Of the operations and the
assets of the Air Force. The
figures are so huge that no
clear picture can be made by
comparison with those Of the
giant" industrial firms whose
operations run into the billions
of dollars.
1t. Gen. T. P. Gerrity. chief
AF material officer, in recent
talks to industry leaders. has
stated that the total assets OF
the Air Force are now over $50
billion. Like the other armed
services, no depreciation Is COM
puted in this estimate. but
neither Is the cost Of aircraft
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1963-03-13

ferences with officials Of Local
l2075 Of the United Mine
Workers.
Under the new statement,
Dow said 1t will keep employees
idled by automation and result
tant seniority demands on re-
naming jobs at full pay for q
period Of 1876 days or until they
take on new jobs with the
company.
In part Of the 185-day period
idled employees will be placed
in q plant labor pool for train
ing.
Company officials said the
nature Of the jobs TO be per-
formed by pool workers would
be determined by q company
union conference.
Evening star., 1963-01-01
DETACHED : SOS MO. UP
ALLs CHURcH.FAIRFAx AREA-
SPRING VALLEY

Excellent location. brick Colonial.
in splendid condition. 3 large bed
rooms. baths. new kitchen, full
basement with rec. room and half
bath. Ewes Mrs Mitchell, OIL.
6-77SS.
W. c. a A N. MILLER DEV. co.
RFATTORS EN- o-AaR4
Evening star., 1963-01-01

iii NEEo NUUT d EULlUTbs uUWH
spouts, Free estimates. CITY
ROOFING, Call Washington, 770-
$40 or Laurel, 725-06l2
Evening star., 1963-01-01

ADDITIONS, conc. pches, remod'ne
efPntfS efn I6 4i55Pl 4IfTPS asTsd an PF2i p
Evening star., 1963-01-01

18TH 4 MILITARY RD. NV
Bedfm. md beth ist n 3 hedrms.
end bath "nd II, Rec rm. wfnarauet
fnoTs, garage ewes. ~ h-G0ef
IOUTa nunnEN I'll n-annn
Evening star., 1963-01-01

FURNITURE-Bedrm., liv. rm., din
rm., couple rented furn. for short
time. transf. out of area without
MARLO'S FURNITURE WORLD,
Mrs. Gross. D. 7-S100 CORNER Of
9TH and Eye n.w). Available
Wednesday O IN q
Evening star., 1963-01-01

COLORED WOMAN desires baby
sitting 5 days week, refs, 773-
Evening star., 1963-01-01

PRACTICAL NURSE, care for eld-
erly type cases or governess. live
out, hours S-5, d. c. drivers
permit, refs. CO. 5-5233.
Evening star., 1963-01-01
ROOMS FURNIsHED-R.W.

- Private townhouse.
lge. rm. with pvt. bath, most conv.
and most exceptional. parking
Gentleman only. Monthly rent
500. 234-000S refs. please.
DUPONT CIRCLE-Lge. well furn.
rm. for gentleman, refgr., running
water. maid serv. CO. 5-2644.
or co. 5-577O.
HOTEL SLAUGHTER, 1928 10Th st.
Nv NV" stos tWsiAlns onr oiStancg ace eIwnT4Sn,
breakfast, sgl.. dbl. rms. Reas.
rates. DU. 7-T66C.
Evening star., 1963-01-01

ORGANS-Inventory clearance Of
new and used organs. Terrific bar
gains on Conn, Hammond, LoWrey,
Gulbransen, Baldwin. Home and
church models. KITS 6 conv
locationsl. dntn. 1880 O st. n.wr
RE. 7-6212; Alex. 1921 Mt. Yer
non ave. XII. S-S6S6; Congress
sional Plaza shopping ctr, Rock
vile pike, HA. 7-7420. IVA. and
Md. stores open daily til 8 pm.
except Sat-
Evening star., 1963-01-01
MISCELLANEOUS FOR SALE

ADDING MACHINES, new elec.
Remington Rand, $40 so. Recond.
hand models, $50. Printing calcu-
lator. 5000. Trade-ins accepted.
Rentals. Repairs, all makes. CEN
TRIAL. 923 18th st. NV. Ma. s.
Og0O
Evening star., 1963-01-01

GUN, Model 94 winchester cal,
5000 carbine. Excellent condition,
S42 90. 567-lbB6.
Evening star., 1963-01-01
INSTRUCTION COURSES
ABC SHORTHAND in 9 wks. da,
F.S. E.E.

Federal Service Entrance Exam.
JOBS IN THE GOVERNMENT. NEW
EVENING CLASSES START JAN. z
. TEMpI Il SCHOOL
Evening star., 1963-01-01
ron RENTi only S. s., :, !, pe !.

CAMPBELL MUSIC CO.
110S @ St. NV. DI. 7-S464
PIANOS, INC, Kimball and other
baby grands S595. No cash. Sl7
per mo 1922 Lee hwy. Arl.
Evening star., 1963-01-01

ORGANISING during JoRDAN's s
midwinter clearance OF slightly
used and floor sample home in
Struments. Variety Of styles, sizes
and finishes. Terms. At JOR-
DAMS, corner Of 18th and @
SITS. NV. (Phone ST. 3-O40O) f,
Bailey's Cross Roads Shopping
Center Virginia tPhone 4Sl-
spTifn1e; phone fhS J JU' 5e1iO5i; Silver
Spring and Virginia stores open
evenings.
Evening star., 1963-01-01

EIIE 9th ST, NE,
Desirable apis. consisting OF living
room. bedroom, kitchen, bath,
breakfast room and rear screened
porch. Rent from S53.50. Key at
271S 9th St. ne, Apt, 2.
B. F. SAUL CO, .
Evening star., 1963-01-01

or after 9, WA. 7-l477.
WHFATON RFNSTNGTON sIf VFR
SPRING POcKVTTF W Several 2
3 and 4 bedrm homes avail somf
write " Q4a- -S44n MANlVfrJ,
REALTY CORP 2hi6 University
blvd West Wheaton Maryland
Evening star., 1963-01-01

FLOOR SANDING and Finishing
Free estimates; White mechanics.
Evening star., 1963-01-01
AIR CONDITIONERS

ALL KINDS
Your whole house central plant re-
mote, full 2-ton installed to your
furnace, S7a5 No down payment,
3, 4. ton sizes equally low.
Standard makes. Call day or night.
Sunday included JOHN MOORE
A. SONS. IA 4-3935
Evening star., 1963-01-01
HOUSES FOR sALE-D. 0.

ALICE DEAL. ST. AIMS, WILSON,
owner wants INSTANT ACTION
Fine brick Colorial with heavy
slate roof. 4 bedrooms, large pam
eled den lovely new kitchen. ab
baths Chevy Chase and sprlng
Valley shopping Best nHhlic and
paroehial schools UPPER COS
MAKE YOUR BID TODAY OF.
INC DT T-la1f.
Evening star., 1963-01-01

BRK., BLOCK AND STONE WORK
Rec. Rms, Fireplaces and Patios
Estimates Free MA. S-Is00
Evening star., 1963-01-01
REPAIRS AND SERVICES

ADDITIONS - General remodeling
and building OF all types. Design
service. FHA financing.
HILL-SHERMAN, INC. 654 1888
Evening star., 1963-01-01

ADDRESSOGRAPHS (2). model 900,
elec. AL cond., 5000 ca. New
hand model, sl4a.50 plus tax.
CENTRAL TYPEWRITER CO., 923
Evening star., 1963-05-01
The BEST in Fresh Seafood

Maybe we're perfectionists, but we can't help be.
ing really fussy about seafood We know that the
greater the haste the better the taste. That's why
we rush an ever.abundant variety of the finest to
your Giant. 3fH
Evening star., 1963-05-01
The BESI in famous name Groceries

Variety.packed and quality.filed row upon row
OF shelves stocked with the best of famous brand
names plus Giants own exclusive canned and pack.
aged foods all priced to save you more on the
finest.
Evening star., 1963-05-01
The BEST in Frozen Food

Case after case of fine frozen foods of every descrp
tiOn fruits and berries with that just.pcked
flavor, every vegetable you can imagine and host
of meat, seafood, desserts and prepared dishes.
Evening star., 1963-05-01
The 0rol from our Heidi Bakery

Wonderful bakery treats with that home.sweet.
home flavor and freshness that come from using the
finest ingredients and time.hOnored recipes and
baked with the same patience and care you use in
your own kitchen.
Evening star., 1963-05-01
The BEST Top Quality Meats
The eBESI from our Heidi Kitchens

Tantalizins, ready to enjoy deIicacies prepared
fresh daily in our Heidi Kitchens, with the busy
hOmemaker in mind. Heidi makes it possible for
your family to enjoy the finest even when time is
at premium.
Evening star., 1963-05-01
QUALITY
VALUE
VARIETY
The DI0A in Fresh Produce

lheDI0l in Fresh Produce
Giant begins by selecting only "he pick of the crop"
then follows up with the most modern trans.
pOrtation and refrigeration techniques to serve you
only the finest in fresh fruits and vegetables.
TheOr0l in Dairy E DelicateSsenFood
Famous dairy products, including wonderfully ex.
tenSive array of fine cheese The freshest esss And
the city's most complete deIicatessen department,
featuring the best in fancy foods from around the
world .....|
The Adak sun., 1963-03-18
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Evening star., 1963-01-09
INTERPRETIVE REPORT
Younger @. 0. P. Scores House Coup

properly stated and led, can
be a force for what they con-
slider responsible progress-not
inaction.
In d sense, yesterdays battle
was a continuation of the revo-
luton that substituted Charles
A. Halleck for Joseph w. Mar
tin, jr., as House Republican
leader four years ago. 1t is
clear that revolution is not yet
over.
Many Of those who backed
Mr.. Halleck four years ago sup
ported Mr.. Ford yesterday.
Their latest uprising was not
directed against Mr.. Halleck,
but it was a clear warning to
the 62-year-old Indianan that
the younger men are insistent
that their views be considered.
Even more evident, in the
private comments of yester-
days victors, is the threat that
lies ahead-probably two years
from now-to Minority Whip
Arends Of Illinois.
Mr.. Arends, 81, is a carry
over from the Martin era. He
almost lost the job when Mr..
Halleck was installed as mi
nority leader and now it is plain
he faces new challenge.
Evening star., 1963-01-09

islative program for the next
two years.
Employe leaders are realistic
enough to know that they can't
get it all. But they are fairly
confident that through strong
effort and compromise they will
wind up with a pretty good bat
ting average.
&HE
HE WHO LAUGHS LAST
For all those who have ever
attended the retirement cere-
mony of a colleague, this
sketch by Marson Eaton Of the
Naval Training and Publica-
tions Center will not seem toe
exaggerated:
Fellow workers, today we pay
tribute to an employe who is
retiring after 40 years of Gov
ernment service.
"As his supervisor I have
watched him in his corner fol
the past 10 years. Mr.. -er, I'm
afraid I'm better at remember
ing figures than names. HaI
ha!
Anyway. good old Bill, a:
we all know him, has climbed
the Civil Service ladder. runs
| by rung, until he is now a GS-4
During that time he ha'
been neither sick nor tardy. Al.
ways at his desk-that's gooc
old Bill.
I'VE we're going 10 present
Bill with the customary watch
but have decided instead u
give him the office clock-he'i
been watching II all these years
Ha ha hal
Now / wouldn't say that ole
Bill is tight-he Just has {
healthy respect for the dollar
Everytime he passes bank HI
tips his hat. What have yol
been doing with all your none!
these many years. Bill2 Yol
haven't been betting the horsei
or playing the stock market
have you2 Hal ha hal
Bill will now tell US wha
he knows-I'm sure II won
take long
Bills reply: "I'll do bette
than that-Ill tell you wha
Mr-er I'm also poor at re
memberinR names and / boil
. know-it won't take any Longer
Ny supervisor wants 4
! know what I've been doing wit
my muniiicent salary Well.
b have put four sons throug
Evening star., 1963-01-09
BY JOSEPH YOUNG
star staff Writer

AS the ssth Congress con-
/. 1enes today. here are the top
. legislative goals sought by Fed
eral and postal employe lead
ers:
4. Union dues checkoff sys-
tenn, whereby agencies would
deduct employe union dues
from their paychecks once a
f. month if authorized by the en-
plpye.
a. Additional Fe deral and
postal employe pay adjustments
: To- achieve the true compare
tbility concept of last years
Government pay reform law,
switch sets up the principle that
government and postal pay
should achieve and maintain
parity with industry salaries.
! 8. Correction OF inequities re-
: sulting from last years pay re-
form law. Automatic in-step
= raises to be restored, and the
heightened waiting periods for
in-steps to be shortened TO
what they were previously.
% 4. Larger Government contri-
buttons to the health insurance
. program, with a resultant de-
crease in employe premiums.
3. A change in the Govern
n1ent employe life insurance
law TO provide retention Of at
least so per cent Of the original
policy value after retirement.
. q Elimination Of Federal in
come tax on annuities.
Fgs7. Larger annuities for en-
ptoyes retired on disability
: phth a rs per cent instead OF
: the present 40 per cent mini
: mum, and elimination OF the
+. five-year requirement,
8. A 35-hour workweek.
o. Accumulated sick leave tc
be used 10 provide additional
Z retirement benefits,
8 10. Improved on-the- Job safe.
( " programs.
~ II. Thirty-year optional re.
tirement on full annuities re-
Rardless Of age.
"a ~. Increased Government
/, appropriations for the ciyi
service retirement fund 10 max
II more solvent
10 Guarantee OF cash equiv
/. alent Of a two-step raise 4
' employees who were promotet
prior 10 last october "a.
All in all, an ambitious leg
Evening star., 1963-01-09
Federal Puy
Lures New
Lawyers

Higher Government salaries
are attracting an increasing
number Of young lawyers away
from private practice in Wash
ington, the local bar associa-
ton was told last night.
Rocco Siciliano, a Washington
attorney and former Special
Assistant to President Eisen-
hover for Personnel Manage
ment, said Government COM
petition (for new lawyers) has
become more and more appar-
ent" in recent years, but "it
should not frighten" private
firms searching for new talent.
A lawyer just out Of college
can expect to start to work for
the Government at a salary of
at least $500 and maybe as
much as $4,000, depending on
his academic record.
The average starting pay for
lawyers with Washington law
firms is somewhat less than
with the Government, around
$1,000, according to Robert L.
We'll, Philadelphia, a specialist
/ in lawyers economic and man.
agement problems.
Their comments came during
a panel discussion of lawyers
compensation problems at the
Bar Associations regular
monthly meeting at the May
flower Hotel.
Also on the panel were DAN
iel j. Cantor, Philadelphia, con-
sultant to lawyers on economic
and management practices;
John d. Connor, chairman of
the American Bar Association
Committee on Economics of the
Law Practice; James P. Dono-
van. chairman Of the Wash
ington Bars Committee on
Economies OF the Law Practice; /;
Geoffrey Creyke, jr., former
chairman OF the committee
and Robert NJ. Gray, another
former chairman.