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Milford chronicle., 1963-04-19
Square Dance

In an open letter to President
Kennedy, Bob Osgood says, In
part, "What's all this fuss about
walking2.. IT might be interesting
for you to know that several
hundred thousand Americans to-
day have been square dancing
their mileage and coming back
again and again for more. Re-
Gently, in a test, large group
of average square dance enthus-
lasts checked their dancing mile
age over a five day period. The
result, clocked by a pedometer
strapped to the leg of one of the
dancers, indicated 7o-1 pleasure
filled miles clocked in the en-
1oyment Of this typical American
activity. # it's exercise that
Americans need you won't
find more perfect solution than
square dancing"
We wonder how many miles of
dancing our local folk might have
clocked to earn their "Die-hard
badgesI"
Last Saturday night, the Bow
mans and the Links went to VIII
mington to dance to the smooth,
rhythmic called of Dick Ledger,
guest caller for the Pi-R Squares
while the Curreys stopped at The
Mill to enjoy some dancing with
the Dannenhauers, The Morgans,
Mulsaps, Davises, Wellers, and
Widdowsons visited Jean Paul
and Betty Bezier In Rehoboth,
where they pushed back the furni-
ture and had a grand time dane
ing to tapes.
On Monday night, the "Cellare-
ties" initiated the Millsaps, the
Widdowsons, the Tewelows and
the Gains into the "Donkey Club. !"
The possibilities of having fun
square dancing are endless.
On saturday, April -, the
Diamond State Twirlers held
their fourth anniversary dance.
After this dance the annual meet
ing was held at which time the
following officers were elected
for the coming year: President,
Bill and Hazel Davis; Secretary,
Bob and Helen Cain and Trea-
surer, Dick and Dottie Millsap.
This Saturday night, April 20,
the f'Whfrlaways" will have their
annual f'Spring Fling" In the
cafeteria of the Seaford High
School. Jim Cargill will be con-
Quoting a workshop in the AFTER
noon as well as calling the dance
in the evening.
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{. ]. Carroll Co.
Opened Yesterday

The c. j. Carroll Auction Co.
of Dover, Delaware opened its
new building on the 18th day of
April at 8 O'Clock A. M. Crawford
j. Carroll, formerly associated
with Carroll Sales Co., is the
owner and operator of the new
business and has built one of the
most modern auction establish
ments ever operated in the East.
Within this new structure on each
Thursday will be auctioned
Cattle, Horses, Sheep, Pigs,
Poultry, Eggs, Produce, and
other high quality merchandise.
The entire operation will be under
one roof and the latest equipment
has been installed, including two
USDA approved scales, a large
sales arena with threatre-type
seats, air conditioned offices, a
large modern air conditioned
restaurant and concession areas
for the selling of fresh produce
and vegetables.
Crawford j. Carroll is we'll
known IN Delaware, Maryland and
Virginia through his former as
sociation with the Carroll Sales
Co. and his activities as an
auctioneer throughout the area.
Crawford J. Carroll is the son
OF George B. Carroll, Sr., the
well known partner of the sales
company formerly located near
Dover. The building in which the
old sales business was conducted
was destroyed by fire and not re-
built. The verbal partnership
Milford chronicle., 1963-04-19
GEORGETOWN

Mr.. and Mrs. Edwin Pittarc
of Claymont spent the Easter
holidays with Mrs. Eva B. Pit
tard.
Mrs. Rowland G. Paynter, Mrs,
Eva B. Pittard left this week for
vacation in Atlantic City, NJ.
Miss Mary Ann Elliott Of New
town Square, Pa, spent Easter
with her parents, Judge and Mrs,
Lawrence Elliott.
Mrs. 0. Raymond Martin, Sr,
is a patient In Beebe Hospital,
Lewes. Mr.. George Matthews
is also a patient there.
Mr.. and Mrs. James Scible
III are making their home In
Charlestown, West Virginia.
Mrs. Scible IS the former Joan
Abbott.
Miss Sally Lou Wagoman stu
dent at Castleton State Teachers
College was home for a visit
with her father j. Burton Wago-
man.
Miss Mary Jane Robinson OF
Newark spent last week with
her aunt Mrs. Clifford Russell
and Mr.. Russell.
Mrs. Edith Truitt entertained
the members of her family to
dinner on Sunday.
Mr.. and Mrs. Pete Sizemore
and family spent the Easter holi-
days in Virginia with relatives.
Mr.. and Mrs. Charles Hill
were weekend visitors In POGO
moke, Md.
Mr.. and Mrs. Wilbur Robert
son OF York, Pa, spent Easter
with Mr.. and Mrs. Don Robert
son and family.
Rev. and Mrs. Ralph Ellis left
Milford chronicle., 1963-04-19

this week for Florida to visit
with his parents.
Mr.. and Mrs. Ralph Swain,
Mrs. Ida Mears, spent the week
end with Mr.. and Mrs. Jack
Lewis and family In Arlington,
Pa.
LED. R. william A. Faucet
and Mrs. Faucet and family
have been spending several days
with Mr.. and Mrs. william r.
Faucet. They also had as their
guests, Mr.. and Mrs. Randall
Larrimore and family and Mr..
and Mrs. Howard King all of Sea-
ford.
Mrs. Lucy Johnson is confined
to her home by Illness.
Mr.. and Mrs. Jospeh Pittard,
Sr., spent the weekend with Mr..
and Mrs. Myron McWilliams In
Charlottesville, Va.
MT. ana MrS. Alex IRVINE anC
children of Wallingford, Pa.
spent the weekend with Mrs. An
drew Murray. Mrs. Murray re-
turned home with them for Z
visit.
Mrs. Mossie Lee Smith has
returned to her home after spend
ing sometime In Knoxville, Tenn
Mrs. Hattie Calhoun has re-
turned to her home after spend
ing some time with Mr.. and Mrs
Thomas Payne in Wilmington fol
the past three weeks.
Mr.. and Mrs. Joseph wilkins
MIR. and Mrs. Irving Derricksor
and family of Wilmington were the
Milford chronicle., 1963-04-19
FELTON,

The theme Of Rev. Wilmer
E. Abbott's sermon for Easter
Sunday was, "One Word For
ever". The Junior Choir anthem
was "Christ Arose on Easter
Day., and the Senior Choir an
them was, "He Lives Again..
The willing Workers Class
viii meet April "a, for their COW
cred dish supper. Thos hostesses
are Mrs. Paul Woikoski, Jr.,
Mrs. Richard Adams and Mrs.
T. l.. Kates.
The Avon Club met April 10;
the program on religion was in
charge of the Religious Chair
man, Mrs. Lynn. Torbert and her
committee, Mrs. James Cahall,
Mrs. Helen Harrington, Mrs.
Robert Hodgson, Mrs. Wilmer
Abbott and Mrs. William D. Ham
mond.
The luncheon was at 1890
p.m., followed by the program.
The guest speaker was Mrs.
Donald Douglas Of Dover, who
spoke on "Prayer".
The next meeting viii be April
"a for program planning and busi-
ness meeting.
The Alumni will meet in the
school cafeteria April %, at
1880 p.m., to make plans for the
Alumni banquet and dance to be
held April "a. The banquet will
be served at $40 pm. Dancing,
featuring Maurice Mowbray's or
chestra will be from 9 pm. to
! a.m., In the auditorium.
Milford chronicle., 1963-04-19
NelU Century Club
Held Important
Meeting
CONTINUED from page ID

Continued from page -
Mcdowell; 8. Mrs. Field,
"Spring is a Lovely uadye",
Elliott, and "April in Paris,
Duke; A. Trio, GA Bushel and
a Peck, Loesser; 5. Mrs.
vehslage, "The Sound Of
Music", Rodgers & Hammer
stein, and "My Favorite
Things, Sound Of Music, Rod
gers g. Hammerstein; and 6.
Trio, Wonderful Copenhagen,
Christian Anderson"
Loesser.
The club is very appreciative
to Mrs. Storey for this program
to be given by members of the
Dover Club, especially since 1t
will be the day following the
annual spring concert of the
Dover Centruy Club chorus Of
which Mrs. Storey Is director.
A large attendance will be
greatly appreciated for this out
standing program, which will be
preceded by covered dish
luncheon with the following per-
sons In charge co-chairmen,
Mrs. Harvey Wilson and Mrs.
Joseph j. Pearce, assisted by
Mrs. Robert Rudolph, Mrs. Ros-
coe Galloway, Mrs. Lester
Adams, Mrs. Helen Lynn and
Mrs. William E. Miller. Mem
bers may bring guests by pay
ing one dollar and a covered
dish.
During the business session,
the aid of club members was
requested for transportation Of
patients to the Delmarva Re-
habilitation Center In George
town. A number Of members
are assisting Mrs. Richard
Roach this week at the Chest
X-Ray schedule yesterday and
today.
The following announcements
were made the concert Of the
Delmarva Music Camp will be
June % at the Dover High School
Auditorium at 1880 pm. Mrs.
Harold Wall would like donations
Of cookies for the reception
during the State Convention be-
ing held here May % and %.
Chairmen Of the money-making
groups should have the money
turned in by April 20. Mrs.
Daniel Friedman was the win
ner of the luncheon set.
For the coming period of
three years, the following di-
rectors were elected: Mrs. Les
ter Adams, Mrs. Richard Ben
nett, Mrs. Daniel Friedman,
Mrs. Vernon Hall and Mrs.
Helen Houston.
Delegates elected to the State
Convention are Mrs. w. j.
Dufendach, Mrs. Joseph Pearce
and Mrs. Richard Roach; alter
mates are Mrs. George T. Mack
lin, Mrs. G. Marshall Townsend
and Mrs. Willard Hickman.
Proposed changes in the by
laws were read by Mrs. Borden
Smith. The members voted ap-
proval of all changes except the
one dealing with the policy COM
mittee Of the state organization.
The club collect was repeated
in unison and the meeting was
adjourned.
Milford chronicle., 1963-04-19

guests of Mr.. and Mrs. Fred
Sammons last weekend.
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Teen Club Is
Underway With
Meetings Every Day
Continued from page y

NNOhNAAAA(A - OAlA RoSS
There were many other factors
that had to be dealt with. For
one thing there had to be Con-
stitution written up to charter
our club. Thanks to MeSSrS.
Richard Palmer, John Pierce,
and Dave Hugg, our bylaws and
constitution were written.
The next problem was getting
insurance on both the members
of the club and the building.
Mr.. Harvey Marvel came to our
assistance and secured the nee
essary insurance to cover both.
Vic then set the date for the
opening of the club. However
this was not an end to the prob
lens. The Grange Hall had been
unused for a while and the heat
ing system was not In good work
ing order and the place needed
a thorough house cleaning. With
the help of Charles D. Gillespie
and Vic the heater was soon
working. TeenagerS and adults
pitched In and cleaned the build
ing and the Teen Club was Of
ficially opened on the 9th OF
March.
Milford chronicle., 1963-04-19

PATNA. Scotland NP -One
Of the last pearl fishers in Scot
land, John Peters, 68, recently
completed his 50th pearl fishing
seaso in the River Doom. Tn c
bluish-tinged Doom pearls are
found in fresihwater mussels be-
tween May and October and arc
sold by Peters to local jewelers..
Peters says he would like tC
train someone to carry on his
trade, but adds, young people
today don't seem to take muc
interest"
Milford chronicle., 1963-04-19
Auxiliary Plans
For May 18 Fair
Continued from page u

NSOIIt4IIuCN II OIII PdBC
the hospital. This is in addition
to the Hi-Lo beds which are the
main project of the Fair. Tele-
vision helps keep sick children
quiet and amused and the idea
was warmly received and voted
as a wonderful way to spend
some of the money received
from the Fair.
Milford chronicle., 1963-04-19
Annual VIEW
Contention
Continued from Page y

W. Dill, Continental American
Insurance Company.
There will be state awards,
Lynch said and the top winners
will be entered in the VFW ma
tional competition. Those
awards will be announced at the
national convention in Seattle In
August.
Milford chronicle., 1963-04-19
lakes LESS WAFER

MIAMI (AP) : A North Miami
service station advertised: eau
tomobiles washed = one dollar.
Compacts dunked : fifty cents"
East Cleveland leader. [volume] (East Cleveland, Ohio) 1942-1970, 1963-03-14
Local Teams Split Titles

Christ the King and St.
Philomena split basketball
titled, in the newly inaugurated
East Cleveland Parochial
Championship series, Sunday
at Cathedral Latin Gym.
In the opener of the after
noon, St. Philomena light
weights, paced by V. Cardenas
and B. Gala, with 13 and II
points respectively, defeated
Christ the King by score of
40 to %. 1t was a very exciting
game, with the lead changing
hands several times, until mid
way in the fourth period when
St. Phils moved out in front to
stay. Christ the Kings Tom
Sullivan took game scoring
honors with IA points.
In the second game Of the
day, Christ the Kings heavy
weights kept their undefeated
record unblemished, by defeat
ing St. Phils by a score Of 40
to 33. 1t was their 18th con-
.secutive win. Christ the King
was paced by Dave Petruziello
who took game scoring honors
with 13 points, followed by Ted
East Cleveland leader. [volume] (East Cleveland, Ohio) 1942-1970, 1963-03-14
Girl Scouts -.
Troop 1868 Holds It's
First Court of Awards

Bedford, Brecksville, Winter
green and Intergrove.
Mrs. Richard Wood is the
Calodonia neighborhood cookie
chairman. She supplies the girl
scout cookies to the troop cook
lie chairmen, who in turn sup
ply each troop members with
the cookies she sells.
st. Philomena's Brownie
Troop 6, leader Mrs. S. Cobb,
1861 Rozelle, co-leader Mrs.
M. Yurik, 1434 Hayden ave-,
held it's investiture recently.
New Brownies invested, Ger
trude Fliegel, Carolyn Skals-
ky, Lora Kelly, Joan Vasenka,
Kathy Kearny, Barbara Buc-
ci, Larrie Spar, Mary Bout
fard, Christine Taylor. Patty
Van, Louise Fazekas, Michele
Gardner, Laura Bucci, Sharon
S p encer, Colleen Gardner,
Sarah Cobb, Linda Dembeck,
Andrea Dobolyi, Moira Hy-
land, and Barbara Bennett.
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Caledonia girl scout troop
1868 held it's first Court of
Awards at the Caledonia Lii
brary last Monday afternoon.
L ler Mrs. George Evans and
co-leader Mrs. William R.
Sneller presided at the cere-
monies; parents of the girl
scouts were the honored guests.
Recipients of the awarded
badges are Child Care: Debbie
Clark, Jane Dauchy, Marilyn
Howe, Patty Ledger, Margaret
McNall; Horsewoman: Debbie
Clark, Lynne Evans, Linda
Evans. Linda Hadbavny, Lin
da Scharschnlidt, Phyllis Smell
ler. Cooking: Jane Dauchy,
Linda Hadbavny, Marilyn
Howe, Patty Ledger, Patty
Lynch, Margaret McNall, Lin
da Scharschmidt, Linda Smith;
-Needlecraft: Dot
tie Eller. Lynne Evans, Linda
Hadbavny, Patty Lynch, Lin
da Scharschmidt, Phillis Smell
Ter, Barbara Tripi, Sharon
Wolfe; Swimming: Debbie
Clark, Jane Dauchy, Linda Had
bavny.
Members of the troop are 9Th
graders from Caledonia and
rist-The-King schools.
The girl scouts Of the Gale
donia neighborhood organiza-
ton. along with all other girl
scouts in the Cleveland Girl
Scout Week" March 9th-1Sth)
by selling cookies, talking cook
les, buying cookies, freezing
cookies and eating cookies.
Each girl scout selling cookies
knows that she is to be friend
ly, courteous and cheerful She
will call only on friends and
neighbors.
The girls are aware Of the
fact that this years cookies
sale goal for the greater
Cleveland area is 650,000 box
es. The profits from the cook
lie sale are needed to supple
ment the funds allocated by
the United Appeal Drive for
the smooth operation of the
entire girl scout organization.
They know that the profits are
needed for the improvement of
their campsites: Camp Julia
Crowell. Camp Margaret Bates,
Camp Hilaka, Old Fort Hill,
East Cleveland leader. [volume] (East Cleveland, Ohio) 1942-1970, 1963-03-14
Musical Club
Will Meet At
Woqner Home

The Cecilian Musical Club
will hold it's meeting tomorrow
at 1890 p. m. at the home Of
Mrs. Brocton Wagner, 1624e
Glynn dr..
Hostesses for the luncheon
will be Mrs. Joseph Schrock and
Mrs. Alvis Goldsmith.
On the program will be Gwen
Stephenson, pianist; Ethel Ty-
Ter, soprano; Margaret Denten
accompanist and a trio con-
sisting Of Alice Swim, cellist,
Alice Fehl, violinist and Lenore
Verderber, violinist.
East Cleveland leader. [volume] (East Cleveland, Ohio) 1942-1970, 1963-03-14
Far East Talk
Planned For wv

The Business & Professional
Women's Club Of the East
Cleveland .YWCA will have din
ner and hear a talk on the Far
East Monday evening at $50
at the Y.
Mr.. and Mrs. Clyde Morgan,
1882 Glynn rd., will talk about
their journey to Tokyo, Hong
Kong, Sydney, and other Far
East ports.
New members Of visitors
will be welcome. Please call the
Y, GIL. 1-3425 for reservations.
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Martaus with 10, and Tom Epps
and Terry McGrath with 8
apiece. High scorer for St.
Phils was Bob Rogish with IL
points on top of a beautiful
floor game.
Christ the King will be idle
until the 23rd of March, and
then will take on the winner Of
the Gesu-St. Adalbert game
for the East Side champion
ship, and if successful, will
play March Gath for the City
Wide championship.
East Cleveland leader. [volume] (East Cleveland, Ohio) 1942-1970, 1963-03-14
GG,~;a% yours,
W. BY GENE H9RsH
Governor Rhodes Appears
To Have Changed His Mind

1t appears Ohio Governor James Rhodes might have
had change Of heart. few weeks ago mentioned
the fact that he would not intervene for this
behalf of home rule liquor control bill.
"It is strictly legislative manner, the governor said
Now the about face A few days ago, Judge
Stanton Adams received notice from the chief executive
to wit:
Il am pleased have this material resoutions from
many civic groups and governing bodies urging the home
rule billy and will give the legislation careful study.
GAS the General Assembly has received two measures
which would affect liquor permits giving this matter
particular attention and will inform my director OF the
department of Liquor Control on this subject"
Thanks Governor We appreciate your change Of heart
WELL.DESERVED HONOR. A knights of Columbus
Life membership card presented at Huron Road Hos
pal to Leo A. suan, 136o5 Terrace rd where he 0as
recovering from heart attack.
Mr. Suliuon long knoOn IN East Cleveland az
partner Nth his brother Hugh in Sulvan Brothers Plumb
ing, has been Knight of Columbus since 1912.
Still active Council affairs, he at time served
Chancellor for Windermere Council 272e.
OUR CORRESPONDENT from the Division Of Wdlife
informs that Hayden ave, restaurateur has been
financing his deer hunting trips to Michigan by special
dinners which venison has been the
This for time, until three division Of
Wdfe patromen got into the act Following almost
year of undercover work, the officers each paid 81
ticket for the feast recent evening.
The parolmen then stopped the dinner just after 1t
got started and confiscated all of the meat and book
containing the list of guests and the amount each paid
The owner, whom will not embarrass by mention
ing his name, fined s25 and 81 costs for illegal sale
of meat He also ordered to return approximately
s1eO had collected from diners other than the state
officers.
VISITING FIREMAN. That's Otto E. Swancar, deputy
chief who visited Memphis Tennr recently when he at
tended the 35th annual Fire Department Instructors Con-
ference for fourday discussion and study OF latest fire
control and fire prevention methods
NEAT PEOPLE. It's nice to kno,v that bit
of fair aveother upon u.s. the public thinks Of cleaner
things First the agenda washing and the Free
oy Wash has been very busy the last couple of days
While commend this, residents should also think
of cleaning up their yards and homes in this pleasant
aCeuther
East Cleveland leader. [volume] (East Cleveland, Ohio) 1942-1970, 1963-03-14
ABOUT PEOPLE

Spa Ronald and Mrs. Gould
announce the birth of a son,
Allen born Feb. 21st in France.
Grandparents are Mr.. and
Mrs. Ralph Gould Of Euclid and
Mr.. and Mrs. Steve Matyas of
East Cleveland.
East Cleveland leader. [volume] (East Cleveland, Ohio) 1942-1970, 1963-03-14
Blue Star Mons
To Meet Wed.

The East Cleveland Blue Star
Mother will meet Wednesday at
1:3O .. m. in the Public Library.
Mrs. Dan Ellington from the
League of Women Voters, will
be a guest speaker.
Refreshments will be served.
The chronicle., 1963-12-18

maching enterprises may figure
in public hearings shortly after
the start of the new year. Much
of the preliminary testimony
taken in closed session has CEN
tered on that phase of Bakers
activities.
Bakers outside financial in
terests were catapulted into the
news in September when he was
sued, along with a vending ma
chine company named Serv-U
and other defendants, by Capt.
toll Vending. The suit contends
that Baker was paid by Capitol
to secure and maintain a $780,
0OO-a-year vending machine con-
tract at Melpar, Inc, an cleo
tronicS firm in nearby Virginia.
The chronicle., 1963-12-18
McNurnoro's Jet
In Neur Crash

PARIS (UPI)-A us. A
force Boeing jetliner carrying
Defense Secretary Robert S.
Mcnamara Narrowly avoided
crashing into a civilian jetliner
at Orly Airfield today, port AL.
thorities announced.
The pilot Of the us. Air
Force plane reversed engines
and applied brakes to avert a
head-on collision with a Trans
World Airlines (TWA) plane.
One of the tires Of the De-
tense Secretary's plane burst.
There were no injuries.
The accident delayed McNa-
mara's departure for South Wet
Nam for several hours.
The chronicle., 1963-12-18
President Holds
Press Meetinq

WASHINGTON (UPD-Presi.
dent Johnson announced today
that he is emphasizing the role
of this country's top official or
Latin American affairs by max.
ing him a special White House
assistant as well as assistant
secretary of state.
The President, Summoning re-
porters for his SectndSurprise
qnewS CONFERENCE in a week and
a h a If, said the action was in
tended to bolster US. policy in
this hemisphere.
us. Ambassador to Mexico
Thomas c. Mann assumes the
new posts.
ohnson gave an indirect an
when asked whether he
would be willing to meet with
Soviet Premier Nikita S.
Khrushchev. He said he was
"ready and willing to meet with
any Of the worlds leaders any
time there is any indication
this would be fruitful and pro
ductive."
The chronicle., 1963-12-18
Common Market
Price Deadlock
May Be Ending

BRUSSELS (UPI)-West Ger
many said today it favored an
executive commission proposal
for tariff talks with the United
States, raising hopes for a COM
promise in the farm price
deadlock which threatens to
wreck the European Common
Market.
The German government said
last week the basis for these
tariff talks had to be fixed be-
fore it would make any conces-
sionS to French agricultural de-
mandS.
After a ministerial meeting
today German Secretary of
State for Foreign Affairs Rolf
Lair said a formula for decid-
ing ''diSparitieS'' during tn e
tariff talks "has found favor
with the German government
and been accepted in prin-
ciple."
Lair said some aspects of
the disparity problem remain to
be worked out but he was hope
full this may be done in the
coming days.
The chronicle., 1963-12-18
Probers Puzzle On Where
Baker Got All That Cash

CUPID = The
Senate Rules Committee set out
today to find the answer to the
1920 question: Where did
former Senate official Bobby
Baker get all that cash-mostly
in $500 bills?
ST think that is the big point
raised" said Sen. Carl T. Cur
tbs, R-Neb., Of Tuesdays initial
public hearing into Bakers out
side interests. Curtis, a commit
tee member, said the question
would be pursued in future hear
ings and asked of Baker him.
self when the former secretary
Of Senate Democrats is called
to testify.
Gertrude c. Novak, blonde
widow of a Baker business
The chronicle., 1963-12-18
Vessel Assisted
By Coast Guard

A Pascagoula fishing vessel,
the Miss Betty j., received as
sistance from Biloxi Coast Guard
air detachment last night, about
9, after the vessel reported to
be taking on water.
Pascagoula's CO patrol boat
also departed its Beach Boule-
ward dock to assist the crippled
boat, located IS miles south of
the Horn Island sea bouy, but
returned after getting word a
CG aircraft dropped a pump to
the Miss Betty ].
The fishing vessel reported no
further Coast Guard assistance
was needed, after the pump was
put into operation.
The patrol boat moored back
in PaScagoula about 9:45.