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want to hold a series Of tests,
and that opportunities for a
test ban agreement with a cor
responding system of control,
satisfying both countries, would
thereafter appear much quicker
Some people also say that
you share the desire Of PreSi-
dent Kennedy to avoid the
spread of nuclear arms to other
countries, such as Germany and
China for instance. and that
you understand the difficulties
connected with this problem.
What in your opinion are the
opportunities for cooperation
between our two countries in
these spheres?
KHRUSHCHEV: The first
question. concerning tests. II
we are to speak of who was the
first to start nuclear tests, we'll
all the world knows that the
tests and the nuclear arms race
were started by the United
States.
To do away with the threat
of a nuclear war, we are striv-
ing to conclude a disarmament
agreement. to destroy nuclear
arms and to discontinue all
types of nuclear tests forever
We are ready at any time to
sign an agreement on a. rea-
Sonable basis and to control it.
We hold that national means
today insure control over the
prohibition of nuclear tests. I
was pleased to read the report
of the United States Defense
Department to the effect that
the United States had inStru-
ments by means of which it
could distinguish soil vibra-
lions caused by natural phe-
nomena from vibrations con-
nected with underground nu-
clear blasts. In other words,
control underground nuclear
tests by means of instruments.
If this statement serves correct
ends, it can be hoped that the
United States will agree to sign
the draft treaty on the banning
OF nuclear tests, controlled by
national means of detection,
which has already been pre-
pared in Geneva.
AS to the question Of what
countries can have nuclear
arms, with or without the help
OF others powers, and what
countries cannot have them, 1
must say that no talks with the
Soviet Union are being con-
Quoted on this question any,
where, and we have not taken
part in such negotiations.
Proposal by Baruch
WALKER STONE (Scripps-
Howard: I would like to refer
to your remark that the United
States was the first to start
nuclear tests. This is so, and
these tests were started already
during the war. You have also
said that the United States did
not show a correct understand
ing of the matter in hand when
it was the sole nuclear power.
But should like to remind you
that as early as June IA, 1916,
when the United States was
the only state possessing the
atomic bomb. it advanced in
the Atomic Energy Commission.
through its delegate, Bernard
Baruch, a proposal to destroy
all available stockpiles of
atomic bombs so that this
weapon should be banned once
and for all.
KHRUSHCHEV: This is ex-
act. Nobody but America had
bombs at that time. Baruch's
plan had another aim in view:
To set up an international con-
troll organ, which would enjoy
The right of ownership of atomic
raw materials and atomic
plants, the right of control over
all research in the sphere of
atomic energy, the right to in
5erfere in the economic life of
nations. This is what the United
States strove for, and not to
ban nuclear weapons or to de-
'troy them. 1t wanted to pre-
vent the development of the
atomic industry in other coun-
,ries, leaving the monopoly of
arms to the United
States. We, of course, could
not agree to this.
STONE: Please tell me again