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people has returned to normal
and in fact I think they are
probably more determined than
ever to hold out. The economy
of the city has recovered from
the initial shock and looks like
it is on the move again.
@. But the basic situation as
between the West and the Rus
slams?
A. 1t re m aims unchanged
and l don't see any immediate
change in prospect.
Seeks to Dust Allies
@. What do you suppose was
behind Mr.. Khrushchev's recent
proposal, which we rejected,
that Western troops in Berlin
be replaced by Norwegian
Danish or Belgian-Dutch plus
SIeCH-E OllSu lOICCS
A. 1 think Mr.. Khrushchev
would like very much to get the
Allies out of West Berlin. The
presence of the Allied troops
there and the rapid develop
ment of the city has. of course,
made it a veritable citadel Of
freedom behind the Iron Cur
tain which he would like to de-
stroy. Now this proposal to re-
place the Allies with the troops
of other nations, of course,
doesn't make very much sense.
We are in Berlin as a result of
victory in war. This is not a
right which you can transfer
to other nations. Many of these
nations were not even in the
war. There is no right to gar
rison Berlin per Sc. The people
of West Berlin cannot be made
to accept garrisons from any
and all countries. We have add
ed to that a firm commitment
to the people of West Berlin
that as long as they want our
troops there they will be there.
We couldn't give up on that
commitment under any circum-
stances.
Wants to "ShOw" World
@. Why do you suppose Mr..
Khrushchev brought 1t up? Is
it some sort of gambit?
A. Yes. 1 think it's to show
before the world-that he is
willing to compromise and find
settlement. He has several times
said he would be glad to see
West Berlin made into an in
ternational city. Now by that
he means a city completely free
and independent but having no
connections with the Federal
Republic of Germany. And of
course a little enclave like West
Berlin, entirely behind the Iron
Curtain, would quickly fade
away If it did not have its con-
nections with the Federal Re-
public.
Only He Can Make War
@. Mr.. Khrushchev said that
the possibility of war over Ber-
lin is ever more ominous."
What do you think?
A. would say that the pos
sibility is entirely under the
control of Mr.. Khrushchev
only if Mr.. Khrushchev takes
aggressive actions to destroy
the city, to lessen the authority
and responsibility of the allies,
will war become a possibility or
a threat. So Mr.. K to this ex-
tent is in control. He can make
it a place where war can easily
break out. But no one but Mr..
K can do that.
Different Tensions
@. But Jour general feeling
is that tension has lessened
and the possibility of war is
lower?
A. I think you have got to
remember that the tensions we
are speaking Of are two diff
ferent kinds. The important
tension which existed between
the United States and its allies
and Russia has abated. The con-
slant needing of the Allies by
the Soviets and East Germans
has stopped. They are no
longer threatening our air cor
ridors. The general atmosphere
is much more free of tension
than it has been for some time.
This is why it is possible to
conduct talks that are going on
now. On the other hand the
tension between the East Ger
man and the West German in
Berlin has not abated. The
wall is still there. The constant
attempts of desperate people
to escape through the wall
leads to constant shootings
across the border. People are
killed quite frequently.
Reds Fear Common Market
@. The question of Berlin
constantly comes up in Com
munist discussions of other is
sues such as nuclear weapons
and disarmament. In propa-
ganda to Germany the Com
munists say the United State!
is planning new harasSing ma
neuvers" against any solution
in Berlin and intending to di'
rect some sort of West Ger
man atomic aggression east
ward. Are they leading up tt
something?
A. Of course. the Soviet gov
eminent has already indicated
its considerable apprehension
over the growth of the Com
mon Market and over its move