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Montgomery County sentinel. [volume] (Rockville, Md.) 1855-1974, 1961-06-10
MONTGOMERY
By Peter DawsOn
c. DARWIN STOLZEN.

c. DARWIN STOLEN
BACH is determined to
make good in his new job
as head of the New Ma
tional Capital Transporta-
ton Agency. And he has
made an excellent start. He
appeared before the
County Council and pre-
sented a worthwhile plan
which he hopes the Council
and other local government
agencies will endorse. The
Council did. Each member
believes Mr.. Stolzenbach's
plan for bus terminals,
parking lots and access
roads along the George
Washington M e m o Ri !
Parkway, is a step in the
right direction.
YEARS AGO Judy and Stan
Frosh talked about the estab-
lishment of some type of cul-
tural center. Other local citi-
zens expressed an interest but
did nothing about it. Then a
group spanked by Charles Hor-
sky and Shirley Barshay and
others formed an organization
called The Montgomery Coun-
ty Arts Center, Inc.
This county group has spon-
sored outstanding programs in
the field of art. And while
the Arts Center has been sue.
cessful in getting county funds
earmarked for a site, there
seems to be no definite plans
of the ideal location.
1t seems a mistake for the
County Arts Center, Inc. to be
interested in what appears to
be just one group of persons
for the board of directors.
This is especially true when
one realizes the great, poten.
tial of such an Arts Center. But
it will never quite hit the
mark unless a wide range of
thinking and greater partici.
patton Is invited.
There are many persons of
wealth in Montgomery Coun-
ty who would enjoy nothing
better than to be identified
Montgomery County sentinel. [volume] (Rockville, Md.) 1855-1974, 1961-06-10
By Peter DavsOn

with a project as worthy as
the Arts Center, especially if
the goals are high. But they
won't be interested if they be.
ieve such a center is being
established for just one small
group of persons.
The Montgomery County
Arts Center has a great op.
portunity to attract many per-
sons who would do much to
help establish and maintain
ar Arts Center that could be-
come world famous.
1t is believed that Judy and
Stan Frosh understand the
problems as it concerns this
Center. They realize it has to
be established by persons will
ing to accept advice and help
from a wide range of opin-
ions.
Stanley Frosh, member of
the County Council, and friend
of many who have spearhead.
ed the drive for the Montgom-
cry County Arts Center, should
use his influence and give the
group a few facts of life -
facts that he is perfectly
aware of and capable of cop
ing with himself.
A FRIEND OF STANLEY'S
BROTHER dropped into the
office the other day and asked
if we would like to see a cou-
pie of poems that appear in a
county school textbook. Sure"
we replied. Whats the name
of the book?"
The book: Better English =
Max ]. Herzberg, Florence C..
Guild, ]. N. Hook, CHM and
Company 1952-1955.
The poems:
Montgomery County sentinel. [volume] (Rockville, Md.) 1855-1974, 1961-06-10
First Aid Course
Set by Red Cross

The Montgomery County Red
Cross is accepting reservations
for a standard first aid course
starting Thursday, June Is, at
1880 pm. at the Chapter House
in Silver Spring.
Classes will be held Tuesdays
and Thursdays from 1880 to $50
pm, through June 20, under
the instruction of Bob Bryne.
To enroll, cali the Chapter
House, JU. S-2515, between $50
am. and 4:30 pm. weekdays.
Montgomery County sentinel. [volume] (Rockville, Md.) 1855-1974, 1961-06-10
A Terrible Infant

I recollect q nurse cdlPd Ann,
Who carried me about the
grass,
And one fine day a fine young
man
Came up, and IciSS'd the
pretty lass.
She did not make the least
objection!
Thinks I, aha!
When I can talk RI tell
Mamma"
Montgomery County sentinel. [volume] (Rockville, Md.) 1855-1974, 1961-06-10

summer. With three lively and
attractive young people it isn't
difficult to imagine what Won
derful times the old house will
see in August and September
-. !. 1t wouldn't be difficult for
Allen Ofensend, assistant to
the City Manager of Rockville,
Walt Scheiber, to get a job on
a newspaper. He can write a
release about as well as any,
one.
Montgomery County sentinel. [volume] (Rockville, Md.) 1855-1974, 1961-06-10
And that's my earliest
recollection.
Frederick Locher- Ldapson
Presence of Mind

Presence of Mind
When, NTH nty little daughter
Blanche,
climbed the Alps, last
summer,
l s01O a dreadful Avalanche
About to overcome her:
And as it sicept her do1CH the
slope,
vaguely wondered achether
I should be a0ise to cut the rope
That held as taCGiM together.
I must confess I'm glad / did,
But still / miss the child
poor kidd
Harry Graham
There 1Ods a yoatstg felLoa0
named Hall,
Who fell in the spring IN the
fall:
TUouId haze been a sad
thing
II he'd died in the spring,
But he didn't-he died in the
faH.
Anonymous
Some poems. One is in poor
taste plus poor quality. The
others are something that a
beatnik might recite in the
smokey room of one of their
clubs. Stanley's friend thought
they were bit "out" for It'll
graders!
DID YOU EVER EAT in
the Eager House in Baltimore?
Well, it's a fine restaurant and
the food is good. But that
isn't the purpose of this item.
When we left we noticed an
Montgomery County sentinel. [volume] (Rockville, Md.) 1855-1974, 1961-06-10

Dobson, ST., and Mrs. Warren
T. Kilby, ST..
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MOVE TO HOWARD CO.

PAUL B. BEARD, REALroR
Folks come out and look over How
ard County, think Of the future.
Acres, 5-rm. brick house, ~
baths, oil hot-water heat. 4-car
garage, 3 box stall barn, chicken
house, barbecue pit and bldg. TO
serve. Beautiful location on hard
top road, IS mi. from Silver
Spring. This is real buy.
Acres: This beautiful estate that
you must see 10 appreciate; 7-rrn.
brick rambler. Modern in every
way, III baths, oil Dashboard heat,
picture windows overlooking pond
and stream; on new Rte. 20; barn
for horse and chickens. VIII sell
at a bargain.
Beautiful homes with / acre or
more. Priced from $500 and up.
Splendid bldg. lots up to acres on
new Rte. 20. Also farms and
acreage as well as commercial.
Call Atlas 6-2164 or Howard s.
2114.
The Glacier reporter. [volume] (Browning, Mont.) 1953-current, 1961-02-16

Mr.. and Mrs. r. w. Harris drove
to Cut Bank on business last Mon
day.
Mrs. Rita Santana has been
in Great Falls this week for den
tai care.
Tom McKeown attended a con-
ference for elementary principals
Monday and Tuesday at Missoula.
Mr.. and Mrs. Earl Eastwood
and son John went to Great Falls
Sunday TO attend a cabinet meet
ing for District 81 of the Lions
clubs.
Mr.. and Mrs. Carl Lucknow of
Bigfork were in Browning on
business last week. They also Wis
tied former teachers, Mr.. and
Mrs. Robert Harris.
The Howard Johnsons, Don
Schmidts, Mr.. Caldwell and Joe
1dEDGE dAAGuuGu AiC DOy O~Odb
special meeting in Cut Bank last
Monday evening where Eddie
Schmidt was one of the boys re-
ceiving his Eagle badge.
A school program was enjoyed
by the pupils of the elementary
school last week. The animals of
the jungle in Africa were dis
played and described by the en-
tertainer. A young boa constric-
tor held the attention of the
children and several were permit
ted TO hold ii.
The Girl Scout Adult commit
tee held its regular meeting in
the Home Economics room last
Monday. Plans were made for
the celebrating of Girl Scout
week in March. Lunch was serv-
ed by Mrs. Helen DesRosier, Mrs.
Vivienne Gerard and Mrs. r. w.
Harris.
The Glacier reporter. [volume] (Browning, Mont.) 1953-current, 1961-02-16
TERRY FINLEY MARRIAGE
PLANS ANNOUNCED

Mr.. and Mrs. Glen Finley have
announced the coming marriage
of their daughter, Terry Ann, to
Ale Philip Maurer of Cresfield,
Maryland.
The marriage will take place
in Great Falls at the Base Chapel
on Saturday, February ID. Fa-
Their Mcdonald will perform the
ceremony. Miss Sandra Finley
will be her sisters attendent.
Terry was graduated from Cen
trail Catholic high school last
June. She has been attending
the Columbus School of Nursing.
Airman Maurer is stationed at
Malmstrom Air Force Base. The
couple will make their home at
821 4th Ave. South In Great Falls.
The Glacier reporter. [volume] (Browning, Mont.) 1953-current, 1961-02-16
4H CLUB NEWS

Fourteen members Of West
End +H clubs were instructed in
clothing construction, and Miss
Mary Lynn Lukin modelled two
wool garments al q special prof.
ect meeting held In the home &c.
room OF Browning high school on
February 9. The instructions
were given by Mrs. Vivienne
Kintz, Extension supervisor from
Montana State College. Boze-
man. The meeting was also at
tended by All club leaders Mrs.
Polite Pepion. Mrs. James Kilt
son. Mrs. Bill Grissom and Mrs
Albert Lukin, and by Associate
County Agent Bob Durham.
The Glacier reporter. [volume] (Browning, Mont.) 1953-current, 1961-02-16
Around The Town

Mrs. Fred johnson is i'll and
confined TO her home.
MorreIl Thompson was home
over the week end.
Mrs. Esther Becker has been
i'll with flu this past week
Mrs. Bob Reagan, seventh grade
teacher. was i'll Monday and miss
ed school
Mrs. Ann Johnson, fourth grade
teacher, is i'll and will be out Of
school for about a month.
Frank Greco Jr. had his tonsils
removed in the Cut Bank hos
pitaI last Tuesday.
Benton and Franklin Juneau
motored to Cut Bank last Tues
day on business.
Mr.. and Mrs. r G. Samel are
parents Of a new daughter who
was born in the Cut Bank hos
pftal.
Miss Lillian Cook and Mrs.
Inez Larson are in Billings this
week attending a conference for
Public Health nurses.
A daughter, Sarah Louise, was
born TO Mr.. and Mrs. James
Croft at the Blackfeet hospital,
The baby, who weighed lib. +oz,
was born on Friday, February 10.
A stork shower was held for
Mrs. Mary Samel at the home Of
Mrs. Ted Miller. She was assisted
by Mrs. Earl Eastwood. Many
lovely gifts for the new baby
were received.
Mrs. Donna La Sorte and fam
lily Of Cut Bank visited her par
ents. Mr.. and Mrs. Don Watson
last Sunday. Home from Boze
man college was Miss Betty La
Sorte who enjoyed a visit with
her grandmother here.
DR.. and Mrs. Harvey Covert
are the parents Of a daughter
born Thursday, February 9 al
the Cut Bank hospital The baby
who weighed Glib BOZ, has been
named Holly Kay.
Billings area personnel who
were in Browning on bushes:
Last week included Don Fields
range officer; Earl Adams and
Ray WEIGH of the irrigation of
flee, and Harry Douglas, soil:
survey office.
Corporal and Mrs. Gary Doug
las were visitors last week In
the home of his parents, Mr.. and
Mrs. Robert Douglas. They also
visited Mrs. Douglas parents In
washington enroute to Camp
PendIeton, California where nc
Is stationed with the U. 5. Ma
rines.
An entertaining Lions Socia
rome meeting was held in Cut
Bank Tuesday evening at the
Moose club rooms. Attending
from Browning were Mr.. and
Mrs. Earl Eastwood, Mr.. and Mrs
Phil Ward. Mr.. and Mrs. Jerry
Rosenberger. Mr. and Mrs. Bob
Harris, Mr.. and Mrs. Charles
Gerard, Mr.. and Mrs. Howard
johnson. Mr.. and Mrs. Bob Pei
lett and Mr.. and Mrs. Oscar
Doane.
Jackson advocate. [volume] (Jackson, Miss.) 1939-current, 1961-10-21

DISCUSSING FARM PROBLEMS-Secretary OF Agricul-
Orvile L. Freeman, 3d from left shown
problems with five newly appointed cOnsuans
the Agricultural Sterilization Conservation
right Rev. Benjamin HI. HILL A. NJ E. Church minister
Tulsa Okla Dr. Lawrence A Davis president of Arkansas
NJ N. College Pine Bluff; Secretary Freeman; Solomon
Jackson advocate. [volume] (Jackson, Miss.) 1939-current, 1961-10-21

Some 10000 candidates from
approximately 900 cities will
participate in the testing this
year, according to James r.
Smothers Jr., director of the
College Funds educational SER
vices division.
"More than 100000 in scho-
larship aid will be available to
the competing students for the
academic year 1962-63," Mr..
Smothers said. Scholarships
will be awarded on the basis of
examination results. The Edu-
cational Testing Service of
Princeton, N. j., is in charge of
the scoring and Interpretation
of results"
All United Negro College
Fund member schools are pri-
vately supported, accredited col
leges and universities located in
the South. Their combined stu
dent body numbers more than
$4,000.
Jackson advocate. [volume] (Jackson, Miss.) 1939-current, 1961-10-21
cIEP Tests For UncF COLLEGES
Scheduled For Nov. IT. Dec. 9

New York, Oct. IL - The
United Negro College Fund has
scheduled the annual scholarship
and admission test for its men,
bers college Nov. q thru Dec.
8, 1861, it was announced here
today by w. J. Trent jr., ex-
ecutive director.
UNCF has administered the
annual Cooperative Intercolle-
giate Examination Program &C
IEP) as one of its educational
services since 1868. Tests are
given to students seeking schol-
arships and admission to any
of 20 participating colleges and
universities.
This year, examinations will
be conducted at 285 testing cent
ers. They are located in 26O
cities in 80 states and the Virgin
Islands.
The CIEP tests are open to
all high school seniors and a
limited number of juniors and
sophomores of exceptional abb
lily. Application forms may be
obtained from high school prin.
cipals or counselors or by writ
ing to CIEP, % East 54th ST.,
New York %, N. Y. The dead
line for student applications is
Oct. 81.
Jackson advocate. [volume] (Jackson, Miss.) 1939-current, 1961-10-21
HOWARD UNIVERSITY GETS12
italian RENAISSANCE ART
WORKS VALUED AT $4,000
PAINTINGS AND SCULPTURE TO BE
USED IN TEACHING ART HISTORY

ment of Art at Howard, the col
lection represents valuable
teaching aid at the University
as we'll as a significant addition
to the University's permanent
collection.
1--WE have conducted courses
in Renaissance art for m any
years at Howard by utilizing the
Renaissance prints which we
have" Professor Porter said. 81
am elated that our art collec-
ton now includes original works
by the old masters of Europe in
the Renaissance period.
"No longer will it be neces-
sary for students to leave the
campus in order to view works
of the Renaissance period. They
will be able to come in and look
at the works at any time" he
added. "The addition of this
collection to the University en-
riches the art department, and
makes possible the development
of a special area in Renaissance
art within the department."
A listing of the Kress Foun-
dation's gift to Howard follows:
Portrait of a Young Man, (ac-
quired in 1866 Artist Bernard
inc Licinio, Value $4,000.
The Coronation of the Virgin
acquired in 1929 = Artist,
Pietro Di Domenico Da Monte
pulciano, Value $4,000.
St. Mary Magdalen acquired
in 1890 Artist, Giampietrino
Giovanni Pedrini), Value
$4,000.
St. Pooh and st. Vincent Fer
rer acquired in 193O) - Artist,
The Master Ba. S., Value $4,000.
st. Jerome Penitent acquired
in 193O), Artist, Moretto Da
Brescia, Value $4,000.
Hercules acquired in 194D
Artist, Giuseppe Brazzani,
Value, $4,000.
Laura acquired in 1948) -
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completed at a cost of $500, 900.
The board approved landscap-
ing plans prepared by Ken Bot
tori, landscape architect, for
Baker, Jones, Smith, and Green
elementary schools.
Recommendations were made
for specified school and commu-
nifty personnel to serve on an
advisory committee for three
areas Of vocational education for
1961-62.
Enrolment figures for the
first month of school, given by
Horace Adams, director of per-
sonnet and pupil accounting, in
dicated 1926 whites in attend
ance, compared with 1873 last
year, 1886 colored, compared
with 12,177 last year.
White enrOlleeS In the adult
education program the first
month totaled 1,049, compared
with TOP enrolled last year at
this time. Seventy-two Negroes
were enrolled this year as COM
pared with 10 enrolled last year
in the adult program.
Employees of the school dis
trict increased to 1882 white
personnel and 1140 Negro, as of
October 2.
After discussions on school
safety, personnel matters, and
proposals for dissemination of
findings on Better Use of
School Facilities" the board ad-
journed until its next regular
meeting on Oct. &c, when it will
receive and open bids for a new
elementary school for Negroes
to be constructed on a site off
Lynch Street and New Highway
80.
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Tuskegee 80.
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ton will raise their economic
and social level so that Liberia
can assume its rightful place
on the world scene"
Upon his return, he re-stated
the need for widely-diffused
education in Liberia, saying that
'most of Liberals industry and
commerce is conducted by nom
Liberians," a fact, he said, which
bars good relationships between
Liberia and Western countries.
Teachers in three-fourths of
Liberals rural elementary
schools have less than an eighth
grade education and no special
training for teaching in rural
schools. Although Liberia has
500 schools, she has only two
colleges.
Tuskegee sent a team of six
teachers, headed by education
specialist William B. Pollard, to
the Zorzor institute.
DR.. Francis r. Brown, social
science instructor, and the last
to join the team, said the recent
honors won by four students
were encouraging and unique
in that they represented a cross
section of the institute which is
composed of 70 students from
tn eprovinces and 80 different
tribes"
Henry Stephens, of the Iona
tribe, Fissibu, Western Prov
ince, received highest honors
with q 3.74 average on a 40
Jackson advocate. [volume] (Jackson, Miss.) 1939-current, 1961-10-21

Washington, D. c. - A $685.
600 collection Of IL Italian Re-
naissance paintings and one
sculptural piece was presented
to Howard University today
October 12) by the Samuel H.
Kress Foundation of New York
City.
The paintings and sculpture
were donated to the University
for Institutional purposes. Ac-
cording to the Foundation, they
are to be used ITO emphasize
and enrich the teaching of art
history" They will be on dis
rlay in the Art Gallery of the
Auditorium-Fine Arts Building,
Sixth and Fairmont Streets,
northwest, beginning Monday,
October 80. Viewings will be
open to the public.
Howard is one of "A institu-
tons, including 81 colleges and
universities, which have received
donations from the Kress Col
lection of paintings and sculp-
ture. The distribution of the
collection was begun in 1889 "as
a means of contributing to the
cultural life of the United
States"
The philanthropy program,
known as the Kress Gift to the
Nation, concludes this year with
the gifts to a select group of
educational institutions. During
the past % years, more than
5000 works Of art, valued at
some $50 million, have been dis
tributed by the Foundation.
According to Professor James
A. Porter, head of the Depart
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Rep. Dawson

Continued from Page One)
tionment map at it's Tuesday,
Oct. 10, session. Dawson, chair
man of the House committee on
governmental operations and a
10-a possible party switch. He
said such action would be as re-
mote to my thinking as east is
from vest. The 75-year old
congressman was first a Re-
publican leader in Chicago but
switched to the Democrats in
the 1905.
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Methodist

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ferences and episcopal areas
by geographic units, and with
the posture of the Church when
the segregation (Central) juris-
diction is eliminated. While the
Convocation will not be a leg
islative body, specific recon-
mendations are expected to be
directed to the next session of
the General Jurisdictional Con-
ference, to the Commission on
observation-disclosures Relations,
and to the 1864 session of the
General Conference.
Jackson advocate. [volume] (Jackson, Miss.) 1939-current, 1961-10-21

Artist, Follower of Giorgione,
Value $4,000.
Saint James acquired in 1887
= Artist, Bernardino, Value
$3.50.
Saint Apollonia acquired in
1880 Artist, Bernardino Flu
ngai, Value $3.50.
A Bishop Saint acquired in
1890 Artist Bernardino Fun
gal, Value, $3.50.
Saint Anthony acquired in
1880 Artist, Bernardino Flu
ngai, Value, $3.50.
Bust of Woman acquired in
1860 (sculpture)- From the
School of Jacopo, Della Quer-
cha, Value, $4,000.
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on the City's governing body re-
signed last week because of ply
steal inability.
Rev. Turnes for Ia years the
pastor of the First Baptist
Church here is a graduate of
Shaw University, the Shaw The
illogical Seminary and holds a
Master of Theology Degree
from Midwestern Graduate The
illogical School, Indianapolis, In
diana.
Jackson advocate. [volume] (Jackson, Miss.) 1939-current, 1961-10-21

scale. Honorable mention went
to David Nesse of the Tuobo
tribe and Joe Barney Tailor of
the Barrobo tribe, both the
Webb District, Eastern Prov
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Holmes Borders of Wheat
Street Baptist Church, Atlanta,
Georgia, has not been selected
to head the organization. He
is certainly worthy and if he is
considered his name will be
placed in nomination along with
10 or IL others and will be voted
upon by secret balloting.
There is considerable discus
sion being carried on by prom
inent leaders led by DR.. J. c.
Austin of Chicago to draft DR..
M. L. King, Jr. of Atlanta, Ga.
1t is not the wishes CT the
Chairman that any Baptist
should feel excluded or left out.
The only requisite for any Bap-
fist is to desire a new Conven-
ton and come and join others
in the building of the same.
Jackson advocate. [volume] (Jackson, Miss.) 1939-current, 1961-10-21

Other Tuskegee instructors
working in Liberia on the pro-
ject are: Mrs. Pollard, Mr.. and
Mrs. Shelley F. Lynem, and Will
liam A. Pearson, all formerly of
the St. Louis, Mo-, school sys-
tenn.
Evening star., 1961-09-24
By DOLORES PHILLIPS

WATERFORD, Va.-Peo-
pie who love to poke around
other peoples houses can
do so, with restraint. in 81
different homes and build
ings around the Northern
Virginia countryside week
end after next.
Fourteen of these houses
will be open. or can be seen,
on the Waterford Founda-
tion'ss homes tour on Oc-
tober 6, Z and 8. The other
seven will be on the Orange
County Hunt Country House
Tour on Friday and Satur-
day. October s and 7, for
the benefit of Grace Church
in The Plains, Va.
The Waterford open house
is part of the 18th Water
ford Foundation Homes
Tour and Crafts Exhibit, an
annual event that continues
to draw to the 18th century
mill town people interest
ed in old houses and those
who come to watch modern
Americans demonstrating
early American crafts and
arts.
Reservations
AS Waterford adds a year,
the foundation adds more
restored houses and build
ings to its tour. The small.
winding village is unlike Will
liamSburg, which has been
restored in it's entirety and
is a showplace for year.
round tourists.
Its houses are lived in
by people who commute to
Washington, who work in
Waterford or nearby towns
and whose off-hours are
spent in restoring their
homes with help through
the Foundations authentic
supervision. A hammer and
a nail is all the status seeker
needs in Waterford.
The Graham House, owned
by Mr.. and Mrs. John D. P.
Bold; the Parker-Bennett
House, restored and lived in
by the John G. Lewises;
Huntley Farm, Mrs. John j.
Payette's home in Water
ford; the Frederick Bates
Evening star., 1961-09-24
CIRCLlNG THE COUNTRYSIDE
2 Virginia Home I ours
To Feature q Houses

Meadow, built in 1881 as a
hunting box; and the Cyrus
Manierres' Manierre, a re-
modelled farm house, fur
nished with antique French
Provincial furniture.
The Thomas Furness'
Waverley, built in 1888. but
the deed to which dates back
to 1855 when it was owned
by Charles Chinn, will also
be on the Orange County
tour, Mr.. Furness is Joint
Master, with Mr.. Charles
Turner, of the Orange Coun-
ty Hunt. The hunts hounds
will be shown by the Masters
and hunting staff at 2::30
pm. Friday afternoon at T.
Turner Fosters Glenville,
near The Plains.
A buffet luncheon will be
served at the Parish House
in The Plains from noon
until 2 o'clock (EDT) on
both tour days. Tour hours
will be from 10 am. to 5 pm.