Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1959-07-08
If You Want War, You Can Have It,
Horrimon Says Khrushchev Warned

NEW YORK, July 3 (APD.-
w. Averell HarI imam says Mkt
Ia s. Khrushchev's language in
their recent Moscow talk was
blunt and brutal" with the
Soviet Premier saying about thV
Berlin situation:
IF you want war, you can
have it,"
Mr.. Hartman gives his &C
count in an article he wrote for
Life Magazine. The former
New York Governor saw Mr..
KhruShchev at the Kremlin
June % and also at the Pre-
mier's house outside Moscow.
Mr.. Hartman quoted the
Soviet leader as saying:
Your generals talk of main
tanning your position in Berlin
with force. This is bluff. If
you send in tanks, they will
burn and make no mistake
about 1t. If you want war, you
can have it, but remember 1t
will be your war. Our rockets
VIII ny automatically"
Says It Isn't All Bluff
Mr.. Hartman reports the
impression that some of Mr..
Khrushchev's more bellicose
statements were mere acting"
but:
ut would be a grave mistake
to believe 1t is all bluff. The
present situation is dangerous,
for the Russian Premier might
well everyday his hand"
Mr.. Harriman's belief every
chance to negotiate with Mr..
Khrushchev himself should be
seized. and that a summit con-
ference in the United States
might mot only contribute to
more fruitful discussions, but
would serve the further purpose
of opening Khrushchev's eyes
to conditions in our country"
He found Mr.. Khrushchev
profoundly ignorant" of con-
ditions outside his country, par
ticularly in the United States.
Mr.. Hartman says the talk
indicated the Russians will be
as inflexible as ever when the
foreign ministers reconvene in
Geneva Monday. He quotes Mr..
Khrushchev as saying Soviet
Foreign Minister Andrea Gro
myko "only says what we tell
him to :. if he doesn't, we'll
fire him and get someone else
who does"
Mr.. Gromyko was sitting at
the table during this part Of
the talk.
Backs Red China
Mr.. Khrushchev said the
Soviet Union stood firmly be-
hind Red China's claim to
Formosa and If it came to the
use Of force, the Russians
would contribute their share.
Life also reports from Wash
ington that Mr.. Khrushchev
told Mr.. Hartman the Soviet
Union has supplied Red China
with enough rockets to bonn
bard Formosa, and that the
Communists now had enough
firepower to destroy the United
States 7th Fleet off Formosa.
In his signed article Mr..
Hartman said Mr.. Khrushchev
made these other points:
On German unification-
"You can rest assured that !
will agre to no reunification
which does not provide for a
socialist (Communist) system.
: on the Middle East-Mr.
Khrushchev ridiculed the idea
that the Middle East might
have anything the Soviet Union
would ccvet. The Soviets have
more than enough oil. He said:
do you want to buy sonne?"
On disarmament-Mr. Khru-
stichev said he favors strictest
control and inspection to in
sure that disarmament is car
ried out. But he said he would
not agree to aerial inspection
as a first step. An agreement
on nuclear disarmament, espe-
cially on disseminating nuclear
tests, must be first, he said.
Mr.. Hartman last week de-
clined to comment at a news
conference on the tenor OF Mr..
Khrushchev's remarks pend
ing publication of his own
articles. The New York Times
previously has reported that
Mr.. Khrushchev took a very
tough line with Mr.. Hartman,
and the New York Herald
Tribune said the inner circle
of the United States Govern
ment was shaken and alarmed
by the "Hitler-like" interview.
The State Department last
week said the Soviet leader re-
Gently had made a number of
statements distinctly menac-
ing in tone" and seemed to
"enjoy making dramatic state
ments." 1t denied any alarm.