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Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1959-06-07

conference sessions themselves
that have made people sit up
and take notice.
When 1t comes to handling
his allies the conference has
provided from the outset q real
test Of Mr.. Herter's ability.
After an opening week In
which open determinations and
backstabbing between the Brit
ish and French threatened to
destroy any semblance Of allied
unity, the atmosphere has now
very decidedly improved.
By quietly backing up the
British in their search for
serious negotiation with Russia,
while reassuring the Germans
and French that no disastrous
concessions would be made. Mr..
Herter patiently worked TO
bridge the dangerous gap. And
while few would claim that
all the delegates at Geneva
see eye-to-eye on all aspects
of this negotiation most would
concede to the Secretary most
of the credit for preventing an
open break.
The net result is a new sense
of Western confidence in their
meetings with the Russians
across the table. Whether at
the semi-public sessions at the
Palais des Nations or in the
seclusion of the ministerial
villas. Andrei Gromyko is now
being faced with q concerted
will which with good reason he
may not have expected on his
arrival in Geneva. And in the
course Of these meetings, he too
is taking new measure of the
relaxed. courteously attentive
man who speaks these days
more and more sharply to the
point at issue.
sim Unpredictable
AT the opening Of what
everyone still hopes may be the
final and most critical week OF
this conferences few would be
bold enough to predict the out
come. In dealing with Russians
everyone has his own yard
stick for what may constitute
progress - everyone his own
criterion for success or failure.
And yet from one point OF
view, at least, this conference
already can hardly be rated as
a complete failure.
The long and wearing ses-
sions, the daily grind Of will
against will, have provided a
short course in leadership that
no amount Of routine expert
ence can duplicate. And If this
process produces in stature as
we'll as name a Secretary Of
State for the United States. the
time will have been well spent.
The Catholic times. [volume] (Columbus, Ohio) 1951-current, 1959-11-06
Basic Issue
Is Communist
Denial of Rights

WASHINGTON The bs-
sic issue between communism
and the free world is not the
amount of consumer goods
each can produce. but the
rights of man. according TO
the executive council of the
Catholic Association for In
ternational Peace.
The United States Unjust
not act as if the competition
il economic only, the council
declared in a statement. The
important fact is that the
communist system does not
provide those things that are
most precious - the rights OF
free men, such as the free
doms OF religion, speech,
press and assembly.
The statement was issued at
the close OF the peace asso-
cations 32nd annual meeting.
The Catholic times. [volume] (Columbus, Ohio) 1951-current, 1959-11-06

Each decade OF beads on
the WoRLDMiSSioN ROSA.
The Catholic times. [volume] (Columbus, Ohio) 1951-current, 1959-11-06
Visitors
Plan Open
House Here

The friendly visitors
Of Franklin County are
sponsoring an Open
House ? to 4 pm. Novem-
Der Is. at the Franklin Coun-
ty Home on Alum Greek DR..
The public is invited.
According to Mrs. Robert
Draper. l04 s. Westmoor
Ave, the Visitors is a new or.
gsnization whose purpose il
is to do everything possible
TO make the declining years
of these aged residents hap
pier. The first purpose is TO
create an interest and have
both groups and individuals
interested in visiting and be.
coming friends 10 these lonely
old people"
During the last few months
the organization has been able
to set up a beauty parlor for
the ladies, furnished over
1900 plants to be set out. re-
organize the library so resi-
dents NAV have their own
cards.
"ons very necessary item
we take care of is the main
tenance for radio and teie-
vision service" Mrs. Draper
said.
This past summer a trip 10
the 700 was provided for about
40 of the people who could
attend.
All of these services are
provided through the do
nations Of time and money
be volunteers.
"We need the public to help
us in our work, as We believe
this is a vital project to aid
our older citizens. If people
can attend the Open House.
November Is. I'm sure they'll
see the need" Mrs. Draper
said.
The Catholic times. [volume] (Columbus, Ohio) 1951-current, 1959-11-06
FRIDAY. November S, 1859
BY JAMES,. HoLLERN, EXEC. SECRETARY
Ohio Catholic Welfare Conference

stances intended for household
use. or in schools. hospitals,
hotels. and similar places. Spe-
elfic Information as to content
and warning as TO dangers
must be printed on containers.
Manufacturers of the products
involved and their asSocla-
tons supported the new law.
1t can be said truthfully that
this legislation meets d ser
ious public need Thousands
OF hazardous substances are
nov in commercial trade for
household and institutional
use. with neither warning as
TO the potential danger nor
identification OF content
which assist IN quick diagnosis
and proper treatment after ex-
p0sure.
A fourth new program is in
the field OF alcoholism The
Stale Department Of Health
has been given The authority
and responsibility to develop
programs OF education and re-
search pertaining TO the cauS-
es. detection and treatment of
alcoholism and the rehablll-
tatiOn Of alcoholics. Basic TO
this has been the acceptance
by medical and public health
authorities that alcoholism Is
an Illness and that alcoholics
can be- helped. The State De
partment of Health will work
closely with local agencies,
both public and private, IN de
velopment OF local programs
and facilities wherever pos
slble. 1t is estimated that
there are more than 200, 600
alcoholics in Ohio.
The Catholic times. [volume] (Columbus, Ohio) 1951-current, 1959-11-06
News From State Capitol :.
Acreage Family Gets Impact
From Legislative Health Act

The states food service
laws. which have provided for
the inspection and licensing OF
restaurants. were expanded
by the 103rd General Assem-
bly, to cover food vending ma
chimes. 1t is estimated that
10000 locations will have to
be licensed under this new
section IN the first year. Rapid
expansion in this facet OF food
service is expected. Local
health departments under
state supervision will carry
out the program, 80 per cent
OF the license fee will be re-
tanned BY the local health de-
partmentS.
New laws have been provId-
ed TO facilitate the closure or
conversion of local or county
tuberculosis hospitals New
methods of treatment have re.
duced the need for tuberculos-
is beds. On the other hand,
the need for o~Ut-patienf clinics
for tuberculosis patients has
increased. Another new law
provides for the financing OF
such clinics on a local basis.
A law was passed providing
for combined boards Of health
in merged health districts,
where this is desirable and
wanted for reasons OF econ
omy and improvement in To-
cal health programs. Provision
has been made that special
health Ieyies can be passed by
a simple majority vote.
And looking into the tu
ture, the Assembly by resolu.
ton called on the Legislative
Service Commission to make z
complete study OF the financ
The Catholic times. [volume] (Columbus, Ohio) 1951-current, 1959-11-06

in ~ n
there are in
your parish.
and there is
p sr petusl
a d o ration
Of o Eu-
c h a site
Lord night
and day.
e V e Y
hnn. 4t.M la.
The Catholic times. [volume] (Columbus, Ohio) 1951-current, 1959-11-06
roc LATE TO CLASSIFY
REAL ESTATE FOR SALE

HlLLTONlA AREA
For sale: | VI. old spacious 3
bedroom ranch type with liz
baths. Full basement with Il
bath. Large furnished recrea.
lion room. BR 97867.
The Catholic times. [volume] (Columbus, Ohio) 1951-current, 1959-11-06

He is one of TVS top brash.
Catholic ~Digest-November
The Catholic times. [volume] (Columbus, Ohio) 1951-current, 1959-11-06
Pope Honors
On-CathOl

TILBURG, Netherlands,
NC) - A non-C Catholic Dutch
man, j. Kipperman. manager
of a factory here, was honored
by His Holiness Pope John
XIII. who has made him a
Knight in the Order of st.
Gregory the Great.
He was honored for his
work for the social and cul-
tural development of this
large textile town, which has
a pre- dominantly Catholic
population.
The Catholic times. [volume] (Columbus, Ohio) 1951-current, 1959-11-06

ing and organization Of gem
eral health districts and TO
make recommendations Tor re
visions TO the next General
Assembly
The Catholic times. [volume] (Columbus, Ohio) 1951-current, 1959-11-06

psfs reeiie the rosary tor
those who aid in the Propa-
eating OF the Faith through
out the mission world. Their
church was made from sban-
doned war materials. and IS
shaped like an egg she'll, but
in IL the Lord OF Heaven and
earth makes His abode.
Gathered about Him are
hundreds Of leperS with run.
ming sores arms without
hands and with faces that nev.
er dare look in a mirror but
with souls that already glow
with the radiance of eternity.
The Catholic times. [volume] (Columbus, Ohio) 1951-current, 1959-11-06

Garden Can you not watch
one Hour with Me-"
Are there many who work
hard and who need their
sleep so much, that il would
be asking TOO much of them
to make that sacrifice for the
SINS Of the W0rld7
Well there is a leper colo
nv in Korea with fewer souls
The Catholic times. [volume] (Columbus, Ohio) 1951-current, 1959-11-06

Sacrifice We have moi be.
gun To understand the mean
ing OF the cross. Maybe the
example of these lepefS will,
please God accomplish Two
things. l. inspire priests TO
have perpetual alteration IN
then parishes : move those
Who have many sins on their
souls 10 make sacrifices for
these lepefs. that their pure
souls may pray tor them The
Holy Father knows there are
ten million leperS IN the
world he knows all the colo
MES which need aid Allow
him 10 decide where your sac.
rlficeS should go
The Catholic times. [volume] (Columbus, Ohio) 1951-current, 1959-11-06

RY comes in . different col
or: green, red, white, blue,
and yellow. This is 10 remind
you TO pray for the missions
on each of the five continents.
For your offering of 81 and
your request we will send you
this W~oRLDMlSSloN ROSA
RY blessed by Bishop Sheen.
Cut out this column, pin
your sacrifice TO il and mail it
to Most Rev. Fulton ]. Sheen,
National Director of the Soci-
ETY. for The Propagation OF the
Faith, or your Diocesan Direc-
tor, Msgr, James kulp. 246
F.. Town st, Columbus Is. o.
The Catholic times. [volume] (Columbus, Ohio) 1951-current, 1959-11-06
God Lores You =.
AIl-Night. Alteration,
In Your Parish?
by Bishop Fulton J. Sheen

Is there enough faith and is the spirit of sacrifice
enough in your parish to have alteration of Our Lord IN
the Blessed Sacrament night and day? Are there too
many ills. too many hardships in daily life, to ask a thou
sand people to answer the question of Our Lord in the
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1959-06-08

A record off-year vote Is ex-
pected tomorrow In the heated
Falls Church race for three
seats on the City Council.
The four polling places will
be open from 6 am. to 7 pm.
They are the Recreation Gen.
ter, 100 Broad street: Madison
Elementary School. 334 North
Washington street: Thorn o s
Jefferson Elementary School.
sos South Oak street, and the
American Legion Hall. 900
North Oak street.
The candidates. three Of them
incumbents. are listed alphe-
betically:
q. Calf Bready. an incum-
bent. 29-year-old attorney seek
ing his second term. who lives
with his wife and two sons at
704 Berry street. Mr.. Brady Is
the Councils representative on
the planning commission and
the Northern Virginia Regional
Planning Commission.
william H. Hansbarger. an
incumbent. 3e-year-old attor-
ney. who lives with his wife and
son at all East Jefferson street,
Mr.. Hansbarger Is seeking his
second term.
Charles ]. Hedetniemi. "A. q
technical editor for q research
corporation. Mr.. Hedetniemi
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1959-06-08
BOAT HITS MULE;
LATTER IS VICTOR,
BUT FLIES SPOT

CAMBRIDGE, Nd. tAP).
"A lot Of things have col
lided with boats, In and out
Of the water. Now it's o
mule.
James o. Foxwell said he
was driving along q high
way yesterday, towing his
boat, when he came upon
a mule walking in the same
lane ahead of him. He
couldn't swerve soon enough
because Of an oncoming
car.
The boat. resting on q
trailer. sideswiped the
mule. The craft and an
outboard motor attached
were damaged when they
fell on the road. but the
mule apparently was only
frightened and ran into
nearby woods.
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1959-06-08
Record Vote Expected
In Falls Church Race

lives with his wife and fiye chill
dren ct 307 Chestnut street.
Carl H. Hink. 46. owner Of
q real estate Arm, who lives
with his wife and two children
at 100 Buxton road. Mr.. link
Is q former member Of the
council.
Everett D. Johnston. IS. an
attorney, lives with his wife
and two children at 202 South
Brook drive.
Jewell H. Petersen. 20. . for
mer member Of the council who
Is now an examiner with the
United States Patent once. He
lives at 403 South Spring street.
Lee M. Rhoads, a. q Navy
Department lawyer. who lives
at 1902 Tracy place. Mr..
Rhoads also Is O former coun-
ell member.
w. Raymond Taylor. 81. q
member Of the council since
1851. He lives with his wife
and three children at I'll South
West street and works for q
Maryland lumber Arm.
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1959-06-08
,Curin Crush
FinuIlyHits
PoIiceStotion

An automobile crashed into
the Bethesda police station last
midnight after colliding with
two other cars.
Montgomery County police,
instead Of having 10 so else-
where to investigate Q trafic
accident. found It came to their
own doorstep.
The midnight shift was Just
completing roll call when the
squeal Of brakes sounded out
side. A thud came seconds
later as Q car plowed into the
corner Of the stone police sta
ton at Wisconsin and Mont
gomery avenues.
Rushing outside, police found
q car had Just sideswiped two
other cars on the southbound
lane Of Wisconsin avenue, then
caromed on to the left across
q tratiic island. and travelling
another 337 feet before hitting
the police station. The other
two cars were In front Of the
Hiser Theater. police said.
The driver Of the car which
came TO police was listed a
Mrs. Sara Elizabeth Ritter, So
Of 800 block Of Rolling road
Chevy Chase. Police said she
Is the wife Of L. d. Ritter. vice
president of Merkle Press.
Mrs. Ritter suffered Q frac.
tured knee and cuts on her LEFT
leg. She was admitted Il
Suburban Hospital. Bethesda
Police estimated damage Il
her car ct approximately 81 200
They said her car struck TIL
rear Of one going south OF
wisconsin avenue driven b.
Terrence Murphy. SO. Of st
Paul, MIMI, q teacher on vaca'
ton. and pushed 1t into anothe
driven by Thomas r. Sarnecky
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1959-06-08

son, IT,, christ. Landovsr Hills; ,, Lee
Williams; lehman; A. odell o:tee a,
and Frank Lavrenes. assistant pas'
.S, TIE Rev., Robert R 3 %i1:s'r @si
Rainier: Elear c. sopef. oxon Hiil;
Herbert L. b. Dossett, Good shepherd;
Edwin A. Ross. pastor. and Charles NJ
Memorial: Marcus A carp. smithvlllel
Lyle =. Harper, solomons: RAYMOND II
Brown Grace. Takoma Park; W
Kenneth Lyons. Anaeostia.
The Reys. Clarence L, Dawson,
Bradbury HEIGHTS = First Church
4: 3; l. Fisher. srC0sland; o,t : <
Stith. Douglas Memorial: Charles =
oin:s EDT Eestsi kar0l %s.ls T levi,
dree; Albert P. Shirley, pastor. and
w. Vaughn Moore, associate pastor
Mount Vernon Place. WASHINGTON
The Revs. Ralph D. Smith. Pet
worth: William c. Durrett, Ryland
ciarksen r, Banes. Trinity; Theodore
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1959-06-08

seminary unless otherxiss noted.
sgpsiassa are william, j. g 90; clean. css,n
esI Grove Church: James p. Bellamy,
Wesisy 0revS Church; William n.
Nuckols. Mcdonald chapel, student ct
American University: Gilbert Hart. -.
Pa1l and Meunt Tabor Churches, Lay.
louisville. Nd: Clark Aist. Nay MARKET
Church; Harry uimer. Ridssvii's
RssppeIn.msnts for the washington
East District:
The Reys. Roman Reno. Aecokeek;
Matthias w Bott, Beltsville: Eldon G..
Watts, Bowie; b. Ralph Marx, Brent
wood; Ralph w. Wott. Camp SPRINGS;
smith, University: James L. Matheson.
corkran Memorial; Davis w. Peck.
Dayidsonviile: Halsey y. Heslop. Edge-
water: y Bailey Phelps, Forestvilie.
The Revs. ggar A. Howell. Gales
vile; Harry c, Kieiy. Hillcrest Heights;
Halloek N. Mohler. HOLLYWOOD: I. l..
Enke. Huntington; Harry. D. Miles,
associate ct FIRST. Hysttsvlile:. A, Leigh
Quinn, Indian Head; James A. Hardi-
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1959-06-08
"a Changes in Postorotes Made
AS Methodist Meeting Adjourns

AZ. s'S Es.s w w.s H SSss o;S .mss
Z. Mcdonald. West River Circuit
R,sppointmsnt. fof the Washing
ton: Inv Marion rss; 4. MieSssii. ssths sd
Charles o. MIraaIan. BIookeville !:
Ses,I.: I.hcOk n,i sS: :y'II: r.;
SsscE%.n csdas dro SSr''e ciord H.
Eo aS%.n0' ASSISTANT pastor a CHEVY
Chase: Paul II. uroseclose. colesyilie;
John Hitchcock. Concord.
tn; Rsys. a; Dean y ksslsI. ID ps ..,ss
Ma. Howard b Hui. Kemp Mil: :
Lewis. Ksnsinston; W. q. Mcleod,
Layhill; w. b. Rich, LinEanofe.Lib-
erty: Y, I: sparkst Montgomefy NAL
burg e..;, No No; Henry Muller Grace
Tue Rss:. y. A. Anksny. Mcrssn
Mount Zion Richard l.. irwin. North
5sns. norss Msly poo. Tns: cSss
cIsss fS si. p sss'as Hsrs.s
Harrison. Prospect. Marvin Charge; o
Custer Cromwell. Rockville.
,ldsn; m r H n 'E:strid1s ei urSsna: RicSsrt
b. THOMPSON, .walkersyille: John BAY,
Easl SSs 'Ips sw.s i plss.y Emery ssl
hsoaoEe .! rslmsviss, pas'or .., .n'
Foundry: Ralrh NJ. sharpe. Franei
Asbury: o. A. Bartley. Mainline,
The ReYs. Andrew G. x. Whape
Korean: Edward O. Latch. pastor. Johl
walker. associate pastor. and Riehata
ropniitan Memorial o. ,. LanEral|
81. Luke's: Thomas W. Baker. 81. Paul
way. wesley: Chester ". RliI, wsshinl
ton Grove: Harold n kanharn. Hnsnes
Merrill brennan. MILAN Memorial
Hoyt Dudley. winneld Charge.
The Rev. STANLEY Kroek. former pas
tor 81 wilson Memorial Church, va
given . .cokesbqFy GRADUATE Award I
lternatlopsl service. american ynivsr
sity. Mr.. KNOCK VIII work for ri
Phi, D, decree In international Reln
itions and was appointed bv the con
ference 10 DO this work.
among the other. annointmeny wer
the Rev. 9erman NJ. Wilson As admin
listrator II the Asbsry Methodist Fomt
lOaithershurg. Nd. for the 3ed veal
and Or lowell 8. Ensar as president .
Western Maryland COLLEGE for the i3t
year
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1959-06-08
Body Dies inFire.
Airmun Injured

NEWPORT NEWS. Va, June
9 tAP).--A fash IRE Of uncer-
tain origin brought death to q
5-month-old girl here over the
week end and sent her father,
who tried vainly to save her,
to the hospital with critical
burns.
The infant. Dian Hartwell.
died early yesterday about eight
hours after the Saturday night
blaze that struck while she lay
In her crib.
Firemen found the father.
Air Force Sergt. Carvell Hart
well, rs. lying unconscious be-
side the baby's crib.
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1959-06-08

%. Of a503 South Thirty fourth
street. Arlington.
Both other cars also were
extensively damaged. police
said. but the drivers escaped
injury. Mr.. Murphy's mother.
Mrs. Mary Murphy. SO. suffered
q neck injury and q bruised leg
but was released after treat
ment ct the hospital.
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1959-06-08
Durden Honored
At CIinch Valley

WISE. Va. June Q APP
Students at Clinch Valley Col
lege Of the University Of Vir-
ginia in Wise have paid tribute
to their retiring president Col
gate w. Darden.
In iedicating the 1859 edi-
ton Of their yearbook "The
Outpost" to Mr.. Darden, the
students praised him for his
desire to make higher educa-
ton available to the people Of
Southwest Virginia"
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1959-06-08
and you get all these builtin dividel

1885 best buy" is even better now dur
ing your Ford Dealers Dividend Daysl You
can have the car with the biggest dividends
on better-than-ever dividend deal That's
because Ford sales are sizzling along at
faster clip than everI
Ford's Thunderbird-inspired styling was
awarded the Cold Medal at Brussels for its
elegant lines. Ford is the car that's built for
people ;. with wider doors for easier CON-
ing and going +. with seats that are deep
and soft all the tO0y across SO that even the
man in the middle has full comfort. And, Of
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1959-06-08

course, Ford is the car that's famous for saw
ings :. big savings on regular gas and full
filtered oil double-life muf1ers no
wax finish ;. plus other economy features.
No matter what kind Of car you're driv-
ing, bring it in. Once you see the So Ford
land find out the wonderful buy it really isl
you'll be Ford's biggest boosterl
Stop in at your Ford Dealers soon and
sample his stock. Get the trade-in dividend
Of the year. Better hurry
FORD DIVISION. a6adae6g6omAamg
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1959-04-26
Two HospitoIized
By Auto Collision

Two District men were hos
pitalized yesterday when a car
in which they were passengers
collided with one whose driver
was making a left turn at the
railroad underpass at Second
and K streets NE.
Police said Trouper Snow, 90,
of 1882 Neal street NE, was
admitted to Casualty Hospital
in serious condition with cuts
of the neck, face and hands.
They said Shine Abney, Is, Of
1874 A street Sc, was admitted
in good condition with cuts to
the face and chest injuries.
The driver of the car making
the turn. Beatrice A. Williams,
So. of the first block of Bryant
street NV, was charged with
failing to yield the right Of way
police said. The other driver
was Hezekiah B. Griffin, 20. Of
% K street NE. they said
Both drivers suffered slight
injuries. Donnie Griffin, 2, Of
90 X street NE, a third pas
senger in the car received 6
bruised lip, they said.
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1959-04-26

political persecution against a
member Of my family"
He said they opposed him
three times for Lieutenant Gov
ernor, for Governor and every
day I served as Governor" and
they win be against me next
time"
Mr.. Grimm also said the
people Of Georgia who believe
in fair play" are the court Of
last resort and Il viii see them
there"
Cheney Grim and j. w.
Brinsork. jr.. former parks d.
rector, were charged with pad
ding the State Parks Depart
ment payroll by putting on per-
sons who did not work.
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1959-04-26
CoImer, Senators Hit
Mississippi Violence

for this unlawful act. This is
being done in spite of the de-
teStable crime with which the
accused is charged.
This mob violence does not
reflect the sentiments of an
overwhelming majority of Mis-
Sissippians."
Senator Eastland, Democrat
of Mississippi, said II deplore
violence in every section of the
United States" The other Mis-
sissippi Senator, John Stennis
said: Along with all MISSISSIPPI
plans I greatly deplore this as
well as all other acts Of vio-
lence, including the one this
man was charged with COM
hitting. I'm sure that the Gov
ernor, sheriff and other au-
thorities are doing everything
possible to apprehend those re-
sponsible and to see that JUS
tice is done"
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1959-04-26
Griffin BIumes
Dirty Politics
For Indictment

ATLANTA, Ga. April rs
Cap Former Gov. Marvin
Griffin today blamed the indict-
ment of his brother on dirty
politics and limited he will be
a candidate for Governor again
in 1862.
r. A. Cheney Grimm, brother
and aide to the former Cover
nor, was one Of i've persons in
dicted Friday by the Fulton
County Grand Jury which is
investigating charges of wrong
doing in State government dur
ing the Griffin administration.
The former Governor de-
clared that 1.-The Atlanta news
papers have pile driven this