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The Sidney herald., 1957-02-14
Andes
Mrs. Norman Eldridge

sunday, feDrudIy D, SeVeTdl
friends gathered at the Anna Jor-
censor home to help her cele-
brate her birthday. Those present
were Mr.. and Mrs. Earl Mccoy
and girls; Mr.. and Mrs. Chris
Anderson; Mr.. and Mrs. Arthur
Edeburn and Iris, Mr. and Mrs.
Jr. Foss and Jerry and Jennie
Jorgenson.
Monday evening Mr.. and Mrs.
Norman Eldridge called on Anna
Jorgenson to wish her a happy
birthday.
Mr.. and Mrs. Harold Martin
and family and Mylon Schow
were visitors Sunday at the Nor
man Eldridge home.
Mr.. and Mrs. Gunnar Olafson
and Namoi visited last Sunday
at the Earl Mccoy home.
Lyle Schow and Cheryl Mccoy
missed several days of school
the past week due to the flu.
Mr.. and Mrs. Chris Anderson
visited at the Norman Eldridge
home Monday afternoon.
Tuesday Mr.. and Mrs. Myron
Schow took Lyle and Garry to
Sidney to consult a doctor.
Tuesday evening the Norman
Eldridges visited at the Rueben
Simonsens.
MIR. and Mrs. G.. w. Thompson
went to Sidney Tuesday evening
and they were overnight guests
at the Noel Snedigar home. They
returned Wednesday afternoon.
Jennie Jorgenson, Anna Jor-
genson and Earl Mccoy were
| Culbertson business callers last
Thursday afternoon.
Mr.. and Mrs. Fred Thompson
attended the March of Dimes pro-
gram in Sidney Wednesday eve
ming.
The regular Farmers Union
meeting was held Friday eve
ming at the home of Anna Jor-
genson.
MIR. and Mrs. G.. w. Thompson
were Culbertson callers Saturday
afternoon.
Hearts were saddened here
when word reached the COM
munity of the death of another
old timer of this area, Mrs. Joe
Lewis. The Lewis family lived
in this community for many years
and later moved to Fairview
where they lived until after Mr..
Lewis's death. The family then
moved to Kalispell where they
have continued to live.
Relatives gathered at the Oscar
Peterson home Sunday to help
Oscar and Georgia celebrate their
birthdays.
Sunday visitors at the Myron
Schow home were Mr.. and Mrs.
Harold Martin and family, Mr..
and Mrs. Donald Martin, Mr..
and Mrs. Norman Eldridge and
family and Benny Lewis.
Mr.. and Mrs. Fred Thompson
visited the Al Snedigars Sunday.
The Sidney herald., 1957-02-14
Crane
Mrs. Asa Bradley

Crane Homemakers club met at
the home of Mrs. Kenneth Goss
last Thursday afternoon. The
club voted to donate So to the
March of Dimes fund. Mrs. Lulu
Carpenter, Mrs. Marvin Berry
and daughters, Sue and Carol,
Mrs. William Cotter, Elaine and
Matthew were guests.
Mrs. Pete Tanglen and Laur-
ence visited at the Henry Peter
son home home Saturday evening.
Crane Ladies' Aid will meet
at the home of Mrs. Russell My
ron Friday.
The young Crane Citizens club
had a meeting at the Crane
school Friday afternoon. The
members voted to have a valen-
tine party February IA. The lunch
committee is Patti Myron, Larry
Tanglen, Larry Wyman and DON
ma Bradley, the cleanup commit
tee is Carolyn Moore, Patsy Glenn
mer, Kathleen Christensen and
Kathy Pickering.
The Four Leaf clover All club
met at the Crane s~choolhouse on
Thursday evening. Lois Kipf,
daughter of Mr.. and Mrs. Robert
Kiff, and Janice Goss, daughter
of Mr.. and Mrs. Ted Goss, joined
the club. Mrs. Ted Goss and Mrs.
Mrc Melvin Bakken were guests.
Connie and Anita Walla were
hostesses. Kay Goss and Donna
Bradley gave a demonstration on
hostess and guest manners. Roll
call was answered by a rule of
good etiquette. Money was COL
lected from the members for the
March OF Dimes radio program.
The club had requested Mrs. Le-
Roy Tanglen to sing, but she was
unable to go to Sidney that eve
ming. Ilene Garfield will be hos
The Sidney herald., 1957-02-14
Cartwright
Mrs. VIM. Scrivner

Ladies of Bethel WMF visited
Bethel Home in Williston last
Wednesday afternoon with a de-
votional program and lunch.
Episcopal w. A. met at the
John Dunbar home last Thurs
day with ten members present
and one visitor, a lady who &C
companied Mrs. Royle Koch out
from Sidney. Bible study was
from Ephesians. Layettes were in
the making for the missionary as
signment.
Mrs. Gilman Wang returned
home Friday from a National Lu-
theran WMF meeting in Chicago
during the previous week and
also visited briefly with relatives
in Marseilles and OOtawa, ILL
nois on return trip.
VIM. Faulkner took Arthur
Vickers to Watford City last
Wednesday when Art purchased
a Chevrolet car and drove it
home. Arts a was damaged in
a collision previously and a new
one was a necessity.
Hjalmer Nyborg arrived by
train Friday from Kindred, N. D.,
where he had spent the winter
months.
Saturday night a potluck supper
The Sidney herald., 1957-02-14
THE SIDNEY HERALD
Thursday. Feb. IA. 1857


meeting was called to order by
Chairman Vernon Klose. There
was much discussion of legisla-
ton being acted upon and a COM
mittee was appointed to draw
up resolutions and kilograms to
our senators as being opposed to
any further down = grading of
wheat.
The Resolution committee ap-
pointed was Perry Elletson, Gil
man Wang and VIM. Dobias. bill
1876" was brought up by Frank
Lassey which had to do with
avoiding payment for fee for
brand inspection of non-branded
animals. The group decided 1--WE
are very much opposed to this"
and drew up a resolution to that
effect and sent to Senator Garaas
at Bismarck. Harvey Noteboom
read the message to the local;
Donna Dobias played a piano
solo and Frances Johnson direct
ed singing and action songs.
Lillian Dobias announced the
FUTV program which will be
coming over the station at 6:15
p. m. every Saturday night start
ing February 16. Everyone Is sup
posed to watch for it and write
in comments to the state office.
Next Action officials meeting to
be held at the VIM. Lassey home
is February rs.
Sioux Local is deeply grieved
to lose another of its members
Julius Verplancke, who passed
away last week. We wish to
express sympathy to the family.
After the meeting cards were
played by the adults and bingo
by the younger folks. The Per-
ry Elletsons served lunch and
the VIM. Faulkners and Emil Las
seys did the cleanup.
Mrs. VIM. Dobias was appoint
ed by the North Dakota Division
of the American Cancer Society
to act as Mckenzie County Com
mander succeeding Mrs. Kenneth
Loken of Watford City.
Sunday a carload of teen-agers
had an extremely narrow escape
from disaster when the a which
a young girl was driving, skidded,
angled up on two wheels and
reversed in the ditch but righted
itself and miraculously ended
without damage to either the oc-
cupants or the car. Too much
speed for the road condition and
an inexperienced driver were the
source of trouble. James Denowh
was handy with his pickup when
it happened and pulled the car
back onto firm footing.
Clarence diversion left Tuesday
by train for Fargo where he
will enter the VA hospital for
further medical attention.
MIR. and Mrs. Walt McChesney,
Mr.. and Mrs. Perry E. Elletson
and MI. and Mrs. Perry Elletson
Sr. were guests helping celebrate
Art McCoii's birthday at a party
honoring him at the Ernie Nc
Chesney home near Sidney Satur-
day night.
Sunday night the Perry Ellet-
sons had Mr.. and Mrs. Ted Beyl
and Mr.. and Mrs. Perry E. Ellet-
sons as visitors.
The Sidney herald., 1957-02-14

at John Dunbar's honored him
on his birthday which was Feb.
10. Joining the family for the
evening were Oof Odegaard,
Morton Sponheim, VIM. Faulkner
and family, Arthur Vickers and
family, Mr.. and Mrs. Frank Leens
and Mr.. and Mrs. VIM. Scrivner.
Elaine Berntson was honored
on her birthday Saturday when
her mother served lunch to her
and her friends for her 18th
birthday.
Mrs. Earl G~underson of Lam
bert was a visitor in the village
between trains Saturday enroute
to her home from Williston,
where she and Louise had met
a dental appointment. Also while
in Williston she and Louise visit
ed the new TV tower and viewed
the interior of the new Lutheran
church there by courtesy of Janet
Tjelde who TAXED them about.
Word came from Sidney We'd
nesday morning that Julius Yer
plancke had passed away at Me-
mortal hospital there February
9Th after several years of suf-
fering. Funeral services we're at
st. Joseph's Catholic church in
Williston Monday and burial was
in st. Joseph's Cemetery there.
Mr.. Verplancke was a native of
Cartwright and spent all his life
here. He married Margaret
Frances Fleck of Grassy Butte
January 1st, 1888 and they have
three children, Julie May, Berna-
dette and Richard all at home.
His father, Bernard Verplancke,
also survives him. Many from
here drove to Williston Monday
to attend funeral services. Mr..
Verplancke operated a farm with
his father. Sympathy of the COM
munity goes to the bereaved fam
lily.
Mr.. and Mrs. Perry E. Elletson
came from Cascade, Mont, to
visit his aunt, Mrs. Ray Langton
and are remaining longer visiting
friends and relatives. Monday
night they and Mr.. and Mrs. Per-
ry Elletson Sr. were guests of
Mrs. Emma Leens, playing sever
al games of whist which Mrs.
Leens enjoys SO much. She plays
a good game and wears nc glasses
at "a years.
Mr.. and Mrs. VIM. Faulkner
were Tuesday evening visitors at
the Perry Elletson home enjoying
canasta and whist.
Mr.. and Mrs. Perry Elletson,
Mrs. Emma Leens and Joe were
Sunday guests at the Frank Leens
home and in the evening Mr.. and
Mrs. Scrivner were there viewing
the TV program from Williston.
Mrs. Bert Youngstrom returned
from Miles City last Monday with
her son Clarence diversion and
awaiting call to return there when
Bert is to have surgery at the
Vets hospital.
Word comes from Mrs. Ode
gard in Chicago That her sister
Selma Fournier is failing and IL
critical condition.
Mr.. and Mrs. VIM. Klym ant
Mr.. and Mrs. VIM. Scrivner were
among shoppers in Sidney Satur-
day.
Sioux Farmers Union met al
the local hall Friday night. The
The Sidney herald., 1957-02-14

It's a small world for these two former Sidney servicemen.
Altman First Class Bob Ebersole and Marine Cpl Robert A. Smith.
The two got together at Smiths base in San Francisco while
Ebersole enroute TO his base in the Philippines where he il
stationed at Clark Air Force Base. after a leave here. The two
men spent nearly a week sightseeing around the colorful San
Francisco ara last week.
Ebersole is a personnel specialist at the Air Forces biggest
base in the Philippine Islands and has been stationed there for
about six months. He has been in the Air Force about two years.
and was stationed in California before going TO the Philippines.
Smith. who was last in Sidney during a thirtY-daY leave in
November. is stationed in San Francisco where he is in charge
of numerous Marine athletic programs. He is a graduate of Sidney
high school and was employed by an explosive company before
joining the Marines at Salt Lake City. An athlete for Sidney H. S.
Smith has also been named in Marine basketball bowling. and
other sports.
The Sidney herald., 1957-02-14
Hay Creek
BY Country WOman's Club

Mr.. and Mrs. Ray Halvorson
Doris Seliger) and family visit
ed at the home of her parents,
Mr.. and Mrs. Lawrence Seliger
Sunday, January q and Sunday,
February 10.
Jeanne Olsen and Beulah Levno
have been staying after school
several nights in the past week
to work on the senior annual.
Jeanne is art editor and Beulah is
class editor on the "Firefly"
staff.
JEANNE Swigart of Sidney was
a Sunday guest of Barbara Hen
derson, February 8. They spent
the afternoon sliding, then at
The Sidney herald., 1957-02-14
BY Homemakers' Club

Wilma Franz of Billings visit
ed at her home over the week
end. Mr.. and Mrs. Ray Franz
were also visitors at the Franz
home Saturday evening.
Mr.. and Mrs. Erwin Putnam
and family called at the Jerry
Obergfell home Sunday evening.
Sunday visitors at the Walter
Bauman home were Mr.. and Mrs.
Henry Schwenke and family of
Sidney.
Rev. and Mrs. Bernard McLain
and Mrs. Jim Putnam drove to
Williston Saturday where they did
some shopping and visited at the
Rev. Abel home. That evening
they were supper guests of Mrs.
Bill Davidson Bonnie Mende),
Mary Putnam took care of the
children while they were gone.
Sunday dinner guests at the
Gail Sawyer home we're Mr.. and
Mrs. Richard Mcbride and chill
dren and Mr.. and Mrs. Jim Nc
Bride.
MIS- LlAd Il ullldlli aA1o a a.
Mrs. Erwin Putnam, Jack, Larry
and Marlys were Sunday evening
visitors of the Jerry Obergfells.
Mr.. and Mrs. Lyle Smith and
Patty were Friday evening callers
at the John Sawyer home.
Mrs. Harold Franz was a We'd
nesday overnight visitor at the
home of her mother, Mrs. Edith
Obergfell.
Mr.. and Mrs. Roland Redlin of
Crosby are happy over the ar
rival of a baby boy born Febru-
airy Z. He has been named Steven
Dolph.
Joe Provost and family and
Mrs. Mary Ann Baches and fami-
ly Sunday visitors at the
Charlie Provost home.
Mr.. and Mrs. Chris Larson, MIR.
and Mrs. Jerry Obergfell and
family, Kenneth Brose and Ger
aid Larson visited at the Merlyn
Larson home Monday afternoon.
Mrs. Lille Nevins returned
home Wednesday after spending
a few days with her daughter and
family, the Gordon Quillings.
Mr.. and Mrs. Gail Sawyer were
Monday afternoon callers at the
Lester McMillens.
Mr.. and Mrs. Charlie Provost
attended the basketball games In
Sidney Friday and Saturday eve
nings. :.
Mr.. and Mrs. John Sawyer and
Bert and Mr.. and Mrs. Fred
Mason were dinner guests Sun
day at the Lyle Smith home.
Mr.. and Mrs. Walter Bauman
were Friday dinner guests at the
Henry SchWenke home.
Elmer Jensen of Girard helped
Fred Franz butcher Friday.
Judy Albin celebrated her
birthday with a party Saturday
at the home of Henry Miller In
Sidney. Judy and Terry Daniel
son were also entertained at the
Midway school Tuesday in honor
of their birthdays. -,
Mrs. Harold Franz and Donald
called at the Gail Sawyer home
Saturday.
Mr.. and Mrs. Chris Larson Wis
tied Friday at the home OF Mer-
Ign Larson.
Mrs. Lille Nevins and Orlo
visited and had supper at the
Gordon Quilting home in Sidney
and later called at the jim Put-
nam home. ~.
Mrs. Gail Sawyer visited with
Mrs. Cliff Dashner Wednesday:
Mr.. and Mrs. Fred Franz called
on the Lester McMillens Wednes-
day evening.
The Three Buttes Homemakers
club will hold their monthly
meeting at the Bernard McLain
home Thursday, February IL at
200 o. m. Mrs. Carl Halver Will
Give a talk on crafts and hobbies.
Sunday Mr.. and Mrs. John
Oberpfell. Mr.. and Mrs. Fred An
derson. MIR and Mrs. Gus Oberg-
fell. Kenneth Brose and Norma
Stewart had a sleigh riding par
ty at the Jerry Obergfell home.
Pot luck lunch was enjoyed IN
the evening. Donna Obergfell took
care of the children during the
sleigh ride.
The Sidney herald., 1957-02-14

JUST RECEIVED - New Rem
ington Ouiet-riter portable type
writers and adding machines -
Al THE SIDNEY HERALD.
The Detroit tribune., 1957-12-14

backs in one of the most devas-
tating ground attacks in college
football history.
Weighing only III pounds
Brown, co-captain of the Bucks,
was nevertheless a stalwart per-
former. He was a sure, crisp
tackle, good blocker and an
adept pass receiver. considering
the infrequency which Ohio
State used the aerial weapon.
Named on the second team
were Bob Mitchell. Illinois. and
Daniel Lewis. Wisconsin, half
backs.
jim Marshall. Ohio States So
phomore tackle who is destined
for greatness; Collins Hagler, To-
was senior halfback, and
Blanche Martin, Michigan State
junior halfback, were listed on
the third team.
Honorable mention went 10
Ellison Kelly. Michigan States
guard; Ron Burton. sophomore.
and Wilmer Fowler,fi junior.
Northwestern halfbacks; Sam
Williams. Wisconsin quarter
beck; Jim Yore. Indiana half
back. and Mel billiard. Purdue
fullbeck.
On the ms team, Clark, Tho
The Detroit tribune., 1957-12-14

CHICAGO Four tan players
gained first team berths on the
Associated Press All-Big Ten
squad announced last week.
First stringers included half
backs Don Clark, Ohio State,
and Jim Pace, Michigan; end
Leo Brown and guard Aurelius
Thomas. both of Ohio State.
Meanwhile, the first All-Amer-
lean selection. announced by the
International News Service. ex-
cluded tan players on the first
team.
Clark, the only junior. was
named to the Big Ten team de-
spite the fact that he missed the
last two games because of a
painful groin injury. His per-
formance up TO then was too
brilliant 10 be overlooked
Pace, considered one of the
masterful breskawaY threats in
Big Ten history. came through
with strong finishes against In
disna and Ohio State to grab
both conference rushing and
scoring honors from Clark.
Thomas, anchor of the Buck
eyes great line, was a tremen-
dous blocker He paved the way
for long gains by the Ohio State
The Detroit tribune., 1957-12-14
MSU Sets New
Attendance Mark

EAST LANSING, Mich.-More
people watched Michigan State
perform in football at home in
1857 than in any other year.
The ,to'al home attendance al
Spartan Stadium this fell was
34s.563. eciipsing the previous
hcme season best by more than
ll0 600. The former mark Of
248. 349 was set in 1883 with a
five game schedule. On the way
&c setting The sll-iime home
rosrS. the Spartsns drew re-
c I'd single-gsme attendance--
7s 39l, agsinsi More Dame. The
Verge home crowd this year
was $3.50.
Through the entire nlne-game
~lai, his fa.l. the total was 548
$50 This total ranks - the third
best in MSU history. Topping ii
were the SCI 240 th.t saw State
in nine games in 1888 and in the
Rose Bowl and the 552027 in
nine games last yer.
The overall average crowd
in 1857 was 60.983 per game.
The Detroit tribune., 1957-12-14
Basketball League
Begins Wednesday

DETROIT The Dep rtment
Of Parks and Recrcaiion's Muni-
cipal Cp = basketball league be-
gins play Wednesday night at
"a recrc ion and high school
gymnas.ums throughout the city.
The league is broken down in
10 four age classifications, A and
B. unlimited sge; c. boys under
20; and D. under l8.
Over 80 teams have already
entered and approximately 20
are expected hv game-timc on
Wednesday night.
Sibley Shoes Class A cham
plon LIST year. and kcnwocd
Drugs, Class B title holder Will
not defend their titles this year.
Games are played every
Wednesday evening with the ex-
ccption of Christmas and New
Years, throughout the season
which ends in late February.
Spectators are urged to attend
the games.
There 4s 70 admission charge.
The Detroit tribune., 1957-12-14
Campy Takes Cut;
Signs For 11th Year

LOS ANGELES Roy Cam
panella this week signed his
1853 contract with the Los An
geles Dodgers. His exact salary
was not disclosed. although it
would be about $4,000.
Bavssi said Csmpanells took
salsrY reduction because he
had a personally dissppoinf-
ing" season last year.
Campanella said the only way
he could account for his poor
season last year was that every
time | hit the ball il went TO
somebody. Asked about his all
ing hand, he said ii was fine
l don't think it will give nc
any trouble unless il is hit by
a foul tip The 1858 season will
be Roy's eleventh with the club.
The Detroit tribune., 1957-12-14

assure you our policy VIII be TO
1ave u players selected on the
oasis OF their ability :"
Follows Policy
Mr.. Busch, who is also prcsi-
'ent Cf the Anheuser-B Busch.
nc. has ..ollowed that policy
own through his scouting staff
nj including the numerous
"'u 'ubs in the Cardinal firm sys-
.em.
The Mays deal came TO light
this week when j. was revealed
hst former general manager
r. ank Lane under prodding
from Mr. Busch. attempted to
snatch Willie in an effort solve
The Cardinals cen.erfield d o.
lem. The Si000,000. transaction
was reported 10 include Wally
Moon among the Rel Birds and
arm hands. A $3.50 600 cash olfer
The Detroit tribune., 1957-12-14
Wayne Meets u Of d

Wayne States basketball team
will play single game this
week, meeting Western Reserve
Friday (Dec. l3) in Z home game
at u of ID Fieldhouse.
The game will be the third
of the season for Wayne Stale
and its second conference con-
test.
Reserves Red Cats are con-
sidered the darkhorse of the
Presidents Athletic Conference
basketbeI race. They are ex-
pected TO start team COM
posed of one senior and four
sophomores.
The four rockies were mem
bers of last years freshman
team which swept all honors
in the PAC frosh league.
The two teams met twice last
season. with Wayne State win
ming both contests. 46-43 and
e2-5l.
In addition to the basketball
game, the newly formed Wayne
State wrestling team will see
It's first pction next week. The
Tartar matmen are slatead to
host Case Tech on Friday (Dec.
l3) and Central Michigan on
Saturday.
This is The first year of COM
petition on varsity level in
the sport. Previously ALI action
was on g club end intramural
basis.
Coach Phil Yanoschik has IL
men out for the sport, including
several Tartar football players.
He forsees a rough first year
for the new spot. due mainly, of
course, 10 inexpericnce.
The Detroit tribune., 1957-12-14
Escsg Wings Corner
BY DOH aAPHaEL

A We eran Cf ten National
League seasons all spent with
The Detroit II I'd Wings, Kelly
has become truly one Of De-
troi.'s Ill time greats. The red
hca,xd tobacco farmer from
Simcoe now ranks as the fifth
hghcs' point scorer in ali Red
Wing history and has won more
honors than ~ rear guard in
the Detroit annals.
Kc'ly's pchicven cn's ere in
deco mark tor srv " unG play
or He was 'hc o-ig'nel winner Of
tic Jsmes norris Memorisl Tro-
ply. rec t'r1es cSp'ured The
Lady Byne Awsrd for spcrts-
msr-hip s-d hes won ell s'ar
recognit:cn eight times in his
ten year career. being nemed TO
the first tenn on six occasions.
His list of local recogn,tions
is even longer. He hes twice
been selected TO receive the De-
troit Hockey Writers Award as
the most valuable player ond
Is two-time WINNER Of the
James Citron Trophy for sport
manship. His grc..est single
achievement perhaps was the
hat trick against the Boston
Bruins Oct. 81, 1854, the only
time in modern hockey that a
defense man h;s scored three
goals in one game.
Kelly made the jumY directly
from junior hockey to the Ma
ficnal League in the Fall of l947.
Outstanding ct Toronto's ST.
Michsels. he reported 10 the
Wings evailsble as defense
r.:1.s. l-t. w.ns or csnier. II is at
the fcrmer position that he has
wor his greatest recognition. but
scfr III he hes played all three
with sill end taken an occas-
ional turn en- right wing as well.
II was this sll-around sbiliiy
that cost him first team. All
Star in 1856. He he'd played 27
games ct left wing. and selec-
iors cou'd nc. decide for which
position he most; merited consid-
q - q Al i
nsmrr 10 ?. second All-Sfar de-
The Detroit tribune., 1957-12-14
Kendrick Stars
On Team

Not since the days of CHARLEY
Primas has a single player meant
as much to a Wayne State bas-
ketball team as Bob Kendrick
does this season.
The season story may well
start and end with Kendrlck.
He is the only man of last sea-
sons seven top scorers who re-
turns this season. He averaged
1913 points per game in winning
his second letter.
In addition. he is coach Joel
Mason's choice as the top de-
fensive man on the squad. He
is both fast and quick and is
a good rebounder. AT 6 f.. 4.
he is the iallesf regular and
second in height only TO sop
homore Ed Perkins (6 IT,. s
inch) on the whole squad.
In addition, he is the only
team member with solid game
experience under his belt. He
has won two letters while three
others have won single letters,
but all three put in most Of
their time in games already won
or lost.
The rise of Kendrick is in it.
self tribute to his hald work
and the coaching efforts of Ma
SON. The husky senior did play
high school ball at Cass Tech
but was more of reserve than
a regular. He has developed a
great deal in his three years at
Wayne State.
One of his favorite pastimes
is shooting pool which led to his
official squad nickname of cue
or 20"