Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1954-09-12

did not say. II would be glad to
appear at some later time"
Senator McCarthy-Did you
note that?
Mr.. De Furia-Yes.
4 Senator Mccarthy Good.
Mr.. De Furia Did you have
any intention Of appearing be-
fore this subcommittee
Senator McCarthy-If I were
ordered to appear. ] would have
appeared. ! made that very clear
to the chairman Of the commit
tee-not only II I were SUBJ
poenaed. I made 1t clear to him
that I would not appear merely
II they accorded me the right to
appear; that 7 had no desire to
appear before that committee
I made 1t clear to him that !
thought they were not conduct
ing an honest investigation, and
that ] would not request any
right to appear, but that I would
honor q subpoena or an order.
Question BY Watkins.
The chairman--Just q minute.
AS q matter of fact, ! would like
to call to the Senator's attention.
and get his point Of view on 1t,
his remembrance-you remember
he testified to a conversation he
had with Senator Gillette on the
floor of the Senate.
Senator McCarthy-That is
right.
The Chairman-In which, as
I recall, you told him that you
would not appear unless you
were subpoenaed?
Senator Mccarthy - Either
subpoenaed or ordered. which,
ever word I used. ] used them
INTERCHANGEABLE.
The Chairman-Did you also
tell him at that same time that
you would not appear. unless
you were given permission to
croSS-examine?
Senator McCarthy-No.
The Chairman-Are you sure
about that. Senator?
Senator Mccarthy am sure
about that. ! told him ! would
not accept one. when they said.
you may appear, If you wish
that I did not wish to appear,
unless I had the right to cross
examine. In other words. I
would not appear unless I had
the right to cross-examine, un-
less they ordered me to appear:
in which case I recognized their
right to do that. I told him !
would do that during the session.
even though they had no right
to subpoena me. I told him I
would not question an order or
the subpoena. I told that to the
RACoop a4oOs
The Chairrnan-The reason
for the questions I have been
asking think should be APP
parent. However, I should like
to mention also in addition to
that fact that I think the heart
Of the matter the committee is
investigating at this particular
is the attitude Of the
Senator from Wisconsin with re-
spect to that committee. In fact.
that is the heart of the charges,
that he had a contumacious at
titude in showing contempt for
1t. That Is the reason I wanted
to show up as much as possible,
and you have expressed a very
strong feeling yesterday when
you said that this was dishonest.
You may be right. ! am not say
Ing whether you are right or
wrong in your conclusion, but at
any rate I wanted to be sure
exactly how you felt about it be-
cause that is the heart Of this
charge.
Senator McCarthy-Mr. Chair
man, I think the charge Is that
I refused to appear before the
committee when requested to do
so. Regardless of how I felt
about their-there is no secret
about how I felt about them.
The point is that I was never
requested to appear except at a
time when I was not available
and when they knew I was not
available.
The Chairman-Well. your en-
tire conduct with respect to the
committee, I think, is subject to
proper investigation ..
"Senility" Reference Discussed.
Mr.. de Furia-Senator. have
you referred to the Senator from
Vermont (Flanders), as senile on
more than one occasion?
Senator Mccarthy don't re-
call on how many occasions.
There is no doubt that I thought
he was senile and referred to
him as senile.
/. Mr.. de Furia-Do you think
you were justified in referring to
a member of the United States
Senate, one of your colleagues, in
terms such as that?
Senator Mccarthy - Because
you are q member of the United
States Senate. you are not free
from criticism. There Is nothing,