Evening star., 1954-09-08
Partial Transcript Of Winches Testimony at Mccarthy Hearing

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Following Is a partial tran
script OF the testimony CiUen
by Walter Winchell. Broddtr0y
colunsnist. at yesterday after
Moons session OF the Mccarthy
censure hearing.
(Mr. winchell was sworn, and
in answer to questions by Guy
De Furia, assistant committee
I counsel, said that he had been
In the newspaper business for 80
2 years.)
Mr.. De Furia-In q column
which you wrote, and which was
: published. I believe, first on May
6, and later on May 8, 1854, did
you say that you had q copy Of
( the 2K-page document or letter
addressed to Gen. Boiling In your
possession?
Mr.. Winchell-Yes, I did.
Mr.. De Furia-So that there
may be no misunderstanding, Mr..
Winchell, between you and me.
we are referring to q copy Of q
: letter or document which was
produced by Senator Mccarthy
in the course Of the hearings
described as classified informa-
: ton, with the words personal
and confidential via liaison from
the FBI to Gen. Boiling" with
reference to espionage matters
at Fort Monmouth. Are we
in accord about what We are
talking about?
Mr.. Winchell-Yes.
Mr.. De Furia-When did you
first obtain possession Of that
copy. Mr.. Winchell?
Mr.. Winchell-If you are ask
ing the date, Counsel, ] am not
sure, the exact date. But it was
during one Of the hearings here
in this room.
Mr.. De Furia-Did you receive
it here in this Senate caucus
: room?
I Mr.. Winchell - Outside the
Senate Caucus Room.
Mr.. williams Counsel to Sen
ator Mccarthy y)-UnleSs we are
. talking about a 2A-page docu-
ment which is subject matter
germane to this inquiry. all of
this questioning is irrelevant.
So think it should be estab-
lished what we are talking about.
I think that my position is very
sound and I ask the chair to
rule.
Chairs Suggestion.
The Chairman-Mr. De Furia,
I think probably you could iden-
tify it a little further by asking
Mr.. Winchell whether or not he
was in the room when they were
discussing a certain classified
document or classified informa-
ton during the course of the
hearings and If that is that par
ticular one that he had refer
ence to. ! am certain that is the
one we are inquiring about. That
is the one that seems to be in
issue here under one Of these
categories.
Mr.. De Furia--Mr. Winchell,
were you present during the
Army Met Carthy hearings when
Senator Mccarthy presented. or
had in his possession. and made
an examination with reference to
a paper that think he called
q letter, 2K-page letter that
was marked personal and con-
f1dential" from the FBI to Gen.
Boiling?
MIR. Winchell-Yes.
Mr.. Williams-Ob Obviously, un-
less Mr.. Winchell saw the docu-
ment that was referred to during
the Mundt hearings, Mr.. Winch
ell does not know whether the
copy that he is talking about
is a copy of that document. :.
Otherwise. Mr.. Winchell OBJ
viously cannot testify to whether
or not what he had was q copy
of it or whether it was even
purported to be q copy of it.
The Chairman-Well, 1t seems
to me that we cannot be too
technical about this matter.
Mr.. Williams do not want
to be technical. Mr.. Chairman. I
just want it to be established be-
fore this interrogation continues
that Mr.. Winchell Is talking
about the same thing that Mr..
De Furia is and I don't see how
I we can establish that unless Mr..
! Winchell saw the document that
Senator Mccarthy had in his
hands that was passed to Mr..
Jenkins and it was passed back
to Senator Mccarthy.
The Chairman think the
very nature of the document it
self. when it was before the
Mundt committee, as I recall it.
! very few of the committee ap-
parently saw it. They didn't
read it, at least, and even the
Army counsel would not read it,
! nor the Secretary Of the Army
would not read it. and I think
1t was identified sufficiently so
that we know what he was talk
ing about. It may not be Of any
/ weight. The fact of the matter
is, think probably it will help
you rather than hurt you.
Mr.. Williams-We are out for
all the facts. too, MIR. Chairman.
The Chairman am going to