Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1954-09-10

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Al censure Hearing
Following is a partial tran
script of the testimony yester-
day tnvolDing the introduction
OF the controversial 2A-page
FBI document iDhich first Gp-
pedred during the Army
Mccarthy hearings, and the
possession of Which is the basis
OF one of the cenSure charges
against Senator MCCARTHY:
Mr.. williams Senator Nc
Carthy's counseD-Mr. Chair
man. this morning there was
colloquy concerning certain por-
tons of our defense which were
ruled out. I want to offer GER
tain factual information on one
of the charges that was made
here, namely. the charge re-
garding the so-called FBI docu-
ment. In so far as can proceed
without transgressing your ruiz
ing, I shall do it. ! shall adj
dress myself to the charge OF
spuriousness of this document
and interrogate this witness on
that subject because I feel that
does not transgress in any way
your ruling.
The Chairman-What you
have brought before us at the
time was not on that question
at all.
Mr.. Williams-No.
The Chairman-You may pro-
coed. We will rule on the evil
deflce as it is presented.
Mr.. Williarns-Senator, the
document which you held in your
hand and which you passed to
the committee counsel. Ray
Jenkins, in the Army Nice arthy
hearings on May 4, 1854. ask
you to examine that, sir. Is that
It?
Senator McCarthy-It is UNI
necessary. I have examined 1t
In detail.
Mr.. williams = Wien you
passed that to Mr.. jenkins. did
you pass it to him as a document
which purported to give certain
information which you In fact
had received in 1882
Senator McCarthy-Yes. that's
right.
Deleted Portions.
Mr.. Williams-Does this docu-s
ment on its face show that ma
terials have been deleted which
related to security information
and classified information?
Senator Mccarthy = It does
very definitely do so.
Mr.. Williams-Now, I direct
your attention to paragraph five.
of this document, the one alluded
to by Mr.. Collier (Robert P. Col
lier of Mr.. Jenkins staff as the
one paragraph wherein the first
change takes place in his COM
parison with the memorandum
In the FBI files. and I ask you y
in the fifth paragraph it does
not clearly indicate that ma
terials have been omitted Of q
security nature.
The Chairman--Just before
you answer that, the document
you are now talking about is
the one that has been marked
classified"
Mr.. Williams-Yes.
The Chairman-And was ruled
to be classified in the other
hearing. the Army controversy
hearing?
Mr.. Williams-Yes. sir.
The Chairman-Just q mo-
ment. And is that the two and
o fourth page document?
Mr.. Williams-Yes, sir.
Interpretation Permitted.
The Chairman-The reason I
am calling this to your attention,
] am going to permit Senator
Mccarthy to give his interpreta-
ton Of it as long as he does not
reveal any so-called classified in
formation. Obviously, we cam
not croSs-examine him as to
whether he is giving a correct
Interpretation of the letter be-
cause If it is classified, we can
not even examine it.
Mr.. Williams know of no
way, Senator
The Chairman-And the evil
dence so far that has been
placed in the record from the
Army-McCa hearing record
indicates that it was classified
and so considered by the Attor-
ney General and by Mr.. Hoover
of the FBI.
Mr.. Williams know of no
way to defend the charge Of the
spuriousness Of this document
The Chairman am not OBJ
jecting to your proceeding that
way, but am pointing out that
we will be unable to cross-ex-
anime on that point. =.
Mr.. Williams-Now, ask
again whether or not this docu-
ment-
The Chairman-Just a mo-
ment. I take it for granted. of
course, the press is very curious
about this. but ] hope they will
not attempt to take a look at
1t, because if it is marked CLASH
fed even though it was testi-
fed here that there were IS
copies. possibility Of IS copies
circulated, we are still going to
observe, do all we can to keep
1t from being-just a moment
being read by people who haven't
any right to read it. We are GO
ing to observe the ruling of the
other committee on that and to
follow their steps. ~
Mccarthy Questioned.
Mr.. Williams - ] ask you
whether or not the first para