Evening star., 1954-04-29

ground rules halfway through
the game. AS the chair well
knows, I withdrew from
this committee and appointed
some one to take my place. on
the condition that we adopt
certain ground rules, that
those rules not be changed;
and any attempt to change the
ground rules halfway through
the game after the clear-cut
understanding at which Mr..
Symington was present, I
think would be completely i'm
proper and dishonest.
Senator Mundt-May the
chair state that he has no in
tention, at the moment cer-
tainly, of changing the ground
rules. He does want to try to
enforce them as vigorously as
possible in order to be fair to
all parties concerned. One way
to make them work effectively
is the members of the commit
tee and counsel will refrain
from making any more points
Of order than they feel are
absolutely essential.
Senator Symington-If any
individual or any member of
the committee or anybody else
attempts to violate those rules,
then # I may respectfully say
so, sir, I believe the chairman
and the committee and the
counsel should take those
steps necessary to see that the
rules are carried out.
Senator Mundt-Will you
pick it up with the begin
ming of the paragraph or sem
tence, so we can get the con-
tinuity and then you may con-
tinue.
Secretary Stevens-Before I
do. Mr.. Chairman. may I say
with the very deepest convic-
tion, that I deeply resent the
suggestion by the Senator from
Wisconsin that as a duly sworn
witness I am what he called
guilty of fragrant dishon-
eSty." object to that.
Senator Mundt-I think
you may proceed now with
your statement.
Secretary Stevens - Mr..
Carr's version of what trans
pired during that conference
is a matter Of record in his
memorandum of that date,
which has been released by
Senator Mccarthy. In that
memorandum Mr.. Carr makes
no attempt to disassociate
himself from Roy Cohn or
from any part of the discus
sion Of the Army future Of
Mr.. Schine.
Again. on November 6, 1853,
Mr.. Carr was present in my
office, this time with Senator
Mccarthy and Roy Cohn. The
memorandum released by Sen
ator Mccarthy concerning this
conference again makes no ef-
fort to disassociate Mr.. Carr
from the others present, nor
was I given any reason to as
sumo that he was there for
any different purpose.
1t was at this conference
that a request was made to
make Pvt. Schine available for
subcommittee business while
at Fort Dix. I am not now
able to give any exact state
ment made by Mr.. Carr on
this occasion, but I am clear
that he indicated no disap-
proval Of the position taken by
Senator Mccarthy and by Mr..
Cohn with respect to Pvt.
Schine. and ! am also clear
that Mr.. Carr in his official
capacity as executive director
OF the staff of this subcommit-
tee. if he had not agreed with
Senator Mccarthy and Mr..
Cohn as to the subcommittee's
need for Pvt. Schine, he would
have expressed his disagree
ment. This he did not do.
I next saw Mr.. Carr at a
luncheon with Senator Nc
Carthy at the Carroll Arms
Hotel on December 10. On this
occasion Senator Mccarthy re-
quested that I assign Pvt.
Schine to New York City after
eight weeks Of basic training,
in order that Pvt. Schine
might. among other things,
examine textbooks used at
West Point. During this
luncheon Mr.. Carr again re-
manned relatively silent. How
ever. ! considered that he was
present at the request of Sem
ator Mccarthy as executive
director of the subcommittee
staff. and again he expressed
no disapproval of what the
Senator said.
I consider that all Of these
acts were part of q pattern Of
pressure being exerted to OBJ
tain special treatment for Mr..
Schine. I am sure that Mr..
Carr will be given every oppor-