Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1954-09-03
Partial Transcript Of Censure Hearings
BY the Asseeiotsd Press

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of the third day of the McCGr-
thy censure hearings.
present: Senators Watkins
(presiding), johnson Of Colo
RADIO (vice chairman, Stennis.
Carlson, Case and Erwin.
(Also present: Senator Nc
Carthy, E. Wallace Chadwick,
committee counsel; Guy G. de
Furia, associate counsel; John
M. Jex, Frank Ginsburg. Ray
r. Mcclure, John w. Well
man, committee aides; Edward
Bennett Williams, counsel to
Senator Mccarthy, with asso-
ciates: Agnes A. Neill and
Brent Bozell.)
Mr.. Chadwick-Mr. Chairman,
we will proceed with the matters
embraced within Point Of the
notice heretofore given and read
into the record:
Incidents of encouragement
of United States employees to
violate the law"
Reads Hearing Excerpts.
(Mr. Chadwick then read
from the transcript of the
recent McCarthy-Army hear
ings. The excerpts included
statements by Senator Nc
Carthy on Government en-
ployes furnishing information
to his investigating commit
tee.)
Mr.. Chadwick-Mr. Chairman.
with your permission, will start
with the paragraph I read in
order that I may know what the
continuity is here:
Senator M &C a TT hy-Mr.
Chairman, in view of Senator
McClellan's statement and his
request, I would like to make it
clear that I think that the oath
which every person in this Gov
eminent takes, to protect and
defend this country, against all
enemies, foreign and domestic.
that oath towers far above any
Presidential secrecy directive.
And I will continue to receive
information such as I received
the other day. In view Of Sena-
tor McClellan's statement that
he feels that it Is a crime for
someone to give me information
about traitors in government. I
am duty bound not to give the
Senator the names of those in
formants.
Senator Mcclellan ust
want to get it straight.
Senator McCarthy-May !
say that that will be my policy.
There is no power on earth that
can change that.
Cites Deep Concern"
again, want to compliment
the individuals who have placed
their oaths to defend the coun-
try against enemies. and Ger
tainly Communists are enemies.
above and beyond any presi-
dental directive. And none of
them, none of them will be
brought before any grand jury
because of any information that
I give. If any administration
wants to indict me for receiving
and giving the American people
information about communism,
they can just go right ahead and
do the indicting
Senator McCarthy-I am at
this point deeply concerned to
find my two Democratic col
leagues in effect notifying the 2
million people who work for this
Government that they think 1t is
O. crime for those employees to
give the chairman Of an investi-
eating committee evidence OF
Communist infiltration, treason.
I think that will serve to dis
courage them. AS far as I am
concerned, I would like to notify
those 2 million Federal employees
that I feel it is their duty to
give us any information which
they have about graft, corrup-
ton, communism, treason. and
that there is no loyalty to a SUI
perior officer which can tower
above and beyond their loyalty
to their country. I may say that
I hope the day comes when this
administration notifies all Fed
eral employees that any informa-
ton which they have about
wrongdoing should be given to
any congressional o m mittee
which is empowered to take 1t. -.
Senator Mccarthy may
say. Mr.. Chairman. that I have
instructed a vast number OF these
employees that they are duty
bound to give me Information
even though some little bureau
crat has stamped it secret TO
protect himself. -.
: Questions Carr.
Senator McCarthy-Mr. Carr.
can you think Of any reason why
the old Truman blackout order
of 1948 should be maintained IN
effect as of 1854?
"Mr. Carr (staff director OF
McCarthy's investigations COM
mittee)-No. sir.
Senator McCarthy-Just one
other question. If our committee
is to perform its function, it is
imperative, is 1t not. that every
blackout order, regardless OF
whether it is Truman's or any
one else's be cancelled instanter."
MIR. Carl think that is cor
rect, sir"
The Chairman-Mr. Williams.
Mr.. Williams-Mr. Chairman.
I listened with interest as Mr..
Chadwick read this last excerpt
from the record, and 1t seems
to me that it is not at all ger
name to the charge which was
categorical under Count Q. be-
cause as I understand the Ian
guage that has just been read.
Senator Mccarthy Is asking a
witness as to the ACCESSIBILITY OF
l;raotiro ~ tho