Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1954-04-08
Senator and COIN Tell How
Subcommittee Does Its Work

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were ordered to do so by the
Communist party. and they have
all been either suspended or
fred.
Mr.. Cohn. That is conserva-
tive.
Senator Mccarthy. I might
say that General Electric. which
does a lot Of defense work,
adopted the rule Of removing
Fifth Amendment Communists
after we started our hearings.
Then, of course. keep in mind
also that at Fl. Monmouth. ac-
cording to the news stories, some
80 individuals were suspended.
That doesn't mean that they
were all guilty. Some Of them
were reinstated because they.
were called before our commits
tee and acquitted themselves
very well, showed they had some
Communist connection a number
of years ago but convinced the
army authorities. who were list
ening, that they were not bad
security risks. I don't know
how many Of the 30-odd have
been reinstated because we have
been tied up in other work re-
Gently.
@. In connection with that
Senator Mccarthy. Can ]
state just one other thing? I
think you ought to pick out
some of the worst cases. You
would take some one like Levine
who was handling top secret,
had been for 10 years, in tele-
communications. They do top
secret radar and electronic work.
and crypt" The day we served
the subpoena, on December Is,
she did say she was not an
espionage agent but refused to
tell whether or not she had been
delivering secret material to
espionage agents.
@. L-e-v-a-n?
Mr.. Cohn. Ruth L-e-v-i-n-e.
Security Officer Praised.
Senator Mccarthy. She was
before the committee on the
10th, called on the 18th. Incl
dentally, the security officer over
there I think has been doing a
pretty good job. don't you, Roy?
Mr.. Cohn. Yes. He is a for
mer FBI man.
Senator Mccarthy. No mat
ter how good job they are
doing, keep in mind they can't
put witness under oath and
swear them, subject them to in
dictment for perjury if they
testify falsely. So the commit
tee has quite an advantage in
digging them out.
@. I Want to ask you in con-
nection with that what is your
attitude toward the people in
Government who you have said
in the past. think like a Com
muniSt." How do those people
figure in this supposedly espio-
mage system which you are in,
vestigating? @ q
Senator Mccarthy. don't
recall the phrase being used in
connection with Communists. I
think I was referring to teachers
who act like, think like and do
all the things that a Communist
would do. You don't know
whether they belong to the party
or not.
@. In your own mind are those
people as guilty Of acting against
our Government as a Commu-
mist himself, people who think
like Communists?
A. Let's not talk about think
ing" Let's take the people who
do all the things the Communists
would do. II they are teaching
school. if they would teach the
way they would teach under
Communist discipline, If they
follow the Communist Party line,
if they are acting as a Commu-
mist is acting. if they are follow
ing Communist line, certainly.
any one who is teaching con-
spiracy and treason should not
have a captive audience in a
school.
@. Suppose they are not
teaching conspiracy and treason
but merely teaching what Com
munism is? Is there a difference
in your view?
A. OF course there is. \ r think
it is impossible to fight Commu-
nism unless you know all about
1t. Unfortunately, many people
have confused teaching what |
Communism Is with advocating
Communism.
Would Draw Line.
@. You would draw a definite
line between telling school stu
dents what Communism is and
in some way advocating it, then?
A. There is no comparison. It |
is like the difference between
teaching about the dangers and
the evils Of crime or advocating
murder.
@. In that same line, Senator
Flanders said in the Senate yes
Gently that while you are active
in pointing out the dangers of
Communism within, you seldom
mention the dangers of Com
munism without. that you sell
dom mention Russia. Is there
any reason for that or is that
true?,
A. I don't think it is neceS-
Sary for me to talk about the
dangers of Communism from
Moscow. That is very easy. It
is a very popular sport. You
find politicians from coast to
coast during a campaign waving
their arms and talking about
the evils of Communism a cou-
pie of thousand miles away;
while there is certainly danger
from without. the biggest dan
ger is from within.