Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1954-09-09

ported here emanating from
Gen. Zwicker:
mo. I did not"
Was that in conformity with
or at war with the report that
you had received from your in
yestigator, Mr.. Juliana?
Senators1ryin,-That seems. to
be conclusion rather than EVIL
dence. =.
Williams Stand.
Mr.. Williams do not intend
to argue the case at this time,
I assure you, but I think it is
terribly important here for, this
witness to let us know what the
atmosphere was of this proceed
ing as he went along; and to
point out why it was necessary
to croSs-examine this witness
vigorously as he saw it at that
Senator McCarthy-The an
swer is: This is in conflict not
only with the report received
from Mr.. Juliana but also in
conflict with the testimony Of
Maj. Peress, who testified in the
record which you have before
you that he went in to see
Zwicker, and that he asked for
an investigation.
Later, Senator Mccarthy
cited what he called a contradic-
ton in Gen. Zwicker's testimony,
and said it was importantly
Senator Case-Mr. Chairman,
is it not for the committee to
determine what it is important
for? Let us get the evidence and
let the committee draw the con-
illusions.
Mr.. Williams.-Wea are anxious
to call these things to the COM
mittee's attention, Senator. so
that the committee can better
understand what was in the mind
of the cross-examiner as he pur-
sued his inquiry with this wit
ness.
Senator McCarthy.-If I may
say this, Senator: In answer to
a question as to why I comment
ed on this, I have been accused
of the :.
Senator Case.-I beg the par
don of the Senator. I did not
ask why you commented on it.
I just suggested that the COM
ment was in the nature Of a
conclusion and the committee
should draw the conclusions.
Senator Mccarthy. - Would
you bear with me for one min
ute, Senator Case? I have been
accused of abusing Gen. Zwicker.
I am showing here that his tes-
timony is in complete conflict
with other testimony taken under
oath that day. and in conflict
with the reports gotten from the
investigation.
Senator Case.-This Senator
and the committee is interested
in seeing the conflicts.
Mccarthy Quotes Record.
Senator McCarthy.-The last
question on page 149:
Let me ask this question: If
this man." meaning Peress-
After the order came up, after
the order of the 18th came up.
prior to his getting an honorable
discharge, were guilty of some
crime, let us say that he held up
a bank or stole an automobile
and you heard that the day be-
fore-let us say you heard of it
the same day that you heard of
my letter-could you then have
taken steps to prevent his dis
charge. or would he have auto
matically been discharged?
Gen. Zwicker-I would have
definitely taken steps to prevent
discharge"
1.-THE Chairman-And you say
If he had stolen $50, he would
not have gotten the honorable
discharge. But merely being a
part Of a Communist conspiracy,
and the chairman of the COM
mittee asking that he be court
martialed. would not give you
grounds for holding up his dis
charge. Is that correct?
Gen. wicker - Under tn e
terms of this letter. that is cor
rect, Mr.. Chairman"
Senator Mccarthy - Do you
think you sound a bit ridiculous.
General, when you say that for
$50. you would prevent his being
discharged, but for being a part
ct the conspiracy to destroy this
country. you could not prevent
his discharged"
Mr.. Williams-What was Gen.
Zwicker's answer as to whether
or not the general who origi-
mated the order, the policy-mak-
ing general who originated the
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