Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1954-09-12
Lawion Testifies
About Conversation
With Gen. wicker

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With Gen. wicker
FOLLOWING Is a partial tran
script OF yesterdays sessions
OF the Mccarthy censure hear
ing tDhich opened with SEN
Gtor MCCARTHY undergoing
further cross examination:
Mr.. De Furia, assistant COM
mittee counsel-Now, Senator
Mccarthy. in your letter to Sen
ator Gillette. dated December 6.
1851, you did say. did you not:
When your elections sub
committee. without Senate au-
thorization. spends tens of thous-
ands of taxpayers dollars for
the sole purpose Of digging up
campaign material against Nc
earthly, then the committee is
guilty Of stealing just as clearly
as though the members engaged
In picking the pockets of the
taxpayers and turning the loot
over to the Democrat National
Committee.
Senator McCarthy-That is
q correct quote.
Mr.. De Furia--In the same
letter. Senator. did you not
state:
while the actions of Benton
and some of the committee men,
bers do not surprise me, I
cannot understand your being
willing to label Guy Gillette as
a man who will head a committee
which is stealing from the
pockets Of the American tax
payers tens of thousands Of dol
lars and then using this money
to protect the Democratic Party
from the political effect Of the
exposure of Communists in Gov
eminent"
Senator McCarthy-That is a
correct quote.
Claims Evidence Produced.
Mr.. De Furia-Did you have
any evidence. Senator Mccarthy,
to support the statements of
fact that you made in this let
ter?
Senator McCarthy-Yes =.
1t was produced in letters to the
committee. ! pointed out to them
exactly what I had in mind, that
they were going far beyond the
Benton resolution, that they
were going back to 1885, that
they were making photostats,
and ] think the photostats cost,
! think in the neighborhood of
$1,000 and the correspondence
they had with the bank, having
nothing to do with wrongdoing,
requests for extension of time
and payment of interests.
The bank has answered,
granting extension of time, evil
dence of the payment.
They did me one favor. They,
proved that no one ever lost one
penny by loaning money to Me-
earthly. They did not prove
Mr.. De Furia-Mr. Chairman.
I ask that the witness confine
his answer to the question . /. !.
Senator McCarthy-The an
swer is the evidence has been
produced.
Mr.. De Furia-Whers was it
produced, Senator?
Senator Observation-Disclosures
by the committee at their own
invitation.
Mr.. De Furia-You did have
available to you, did you not,
Senator Mccarthy, an exact A.
nancial leeord of every penny
spent by that subcommittee?
Senator McCarthy-No.
MIR. De Furia-You could have
gotten it, mean, Senator; isn't
that correct?
Senator Mccarthy - I doubt
that very much.
Question Of Illegal Spending.
MIR. De Furia-Do you have
any evidence that that commit
tee was spending tens of thou
sands OF dollars illegally. Sena-
tor?
Senator McCarthy-They were
spending vast amount Of money
Illegally. I don't know the exact
figure. know they were SPEND
Ing q great amount of money
illegally.
(Mr. De Furia questioned Sen
ator Mccarthy about a nota-
ton reed December 81, 1852"
on q telegram asking Senator
Mccarthy to appear before the
Hennings subcommittee. saying
Senator Mccarthy had seen the
telegram November %, 1852.
(Senator Mccarthy said this
telegram asked him to appear
between November % and rs Of
that year. that the subcommit-
tee knew he would be out Of
Washington on those dates and
he was away on a hunting trip
where he could not receive the
telegram until after the dates
fivad for HE faefirea~xyN