Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1954-09-03

Mr.. Carr asking his opinion on
whether or not it is good thing
to have that administrative or
executive order in effect? It is
not the thought Of any one to
disregard it. It goes to the wis
dom of keeping the order in
effect, which Is entirely outside
the charge. I am sure there is
no charge against Senator Nc
Carthy here for having an opin-
ion that the executive order is
unwise.
The chairman will ask Mr..
de Furia to respond to what YOU
have said.
Mr.. de Furia-Mr. Chairman.
the difficulty here, of course. is
for committee counsel. which
were instructed to present all
the testimony in this case,
whether it bore one way or bore
the other way, to designate and
read into the record a set OF
particular excerpts which would
be fair.
Now the rule of evidence. of
course, is that evidence may be
competent. relevant and mater
ial and it is admitted into the
record. How much weight shall
be given to any particular part
Of the evidence Is for the court
or, in this case, for the commit
tee.
Supports Reading.
We suggest, Mr.. Chairman.
that this question and answer
sheds some light on the mental
processes of Senator Mccarthy
with reference to this particular
problem, and we feel it is evil
dence that the committee should
properly weigh. Now it may be
there are other parts of this
testimony, there are other SEN
fences, there are other questions
that should be incorporated in
the record.
So far as committee counsel
is concerned, we have no objec-
ton to that whatever, but we
think that the committee should
permit the reading of all these
excerpts in continuous fash
ion, and that will give a clear
picture Of what we are trying
to delineate, sir.
Mr.. Williams understand
now the counsel's position. He
is not offering this as evidence
in support Of the charge itself
that there was an encourage
ment of employees
The Chairman-On the other
side, it may show that the
charge is groundless, and that
is in line with the policy we
have adopted.
Mr.. Williams thought the
record should be clear on that,
sir.
(Mr. Chadwick resumed
reading)
Senator McClelland = Does
that not mean legal informa-
ton? That doesn't refer to
someone taking a classified doc
ument and passing 1t out.
"Cant Deny Right"
Senator Mccarthy think
you are completely wrong, Sem
ator. I don't think any Govern
ment employe can deny the peo-
pie the right to know what the
facts are by using a rubber
stamp and stamping something
secret
Senator McClellan-This is a
legal question.
Senator Mccarthy don't
think it is a close question. I
don't think 1t is even a close
question" -.
Senator McCarthy-Any COM
mittee which has jurisdiction
over a subject has the right to
receive the information. The
stamp on the document. I should
say, is not controlling. Any evil
dence Of wrongdoing should be
made available to the people.
especially where it has to do with
treason.
Senator Symington-Regard-
less Of instructions from his SUI
perior, anybody can decide them
selves. regardless Of the CLASH
f1cation of document. il they
believe that it is wrong, what
ever their superior does. there
fore they have the right to tell
it to a committee. Is that right?
Senator Mccarthy Senator,
so that there is no question. let
me repeat again. any one who
has evidence Of wrong doing,
has not only the. right but the
duty to bring that evidence to q
congressional committee"
Just one minute.
Mr.. Williams do not think
you finished that statement of
Senator Mccarthy. Mr.. Chad
wick. There is another sentence.
He was answering.
Mr.. Chadwick finished 1t rs
my notes have it appear, sir. If
there Is another sentence I will
be very glad to have you read it..
Calls Answer Incomplete.
Mr.. Williams-The answer was
not complete. That is all I call
your attention to.
Mr.. Chadwick-Mr. De Furia,
will you get the copy and let us
see what the question Is?
Mr.. Williams-The last SEN
tence was this. and I am quot
ing:
Now, Alger Hiss, you see, If
you followed your line Of reason
ing, Senator-Alger Hiss would
not be in jail. Alger Hiss could
stamp the information about
himself secret and top secret. You
just can't do that"
That is the complete answer
CAT this point, Senator Case
suggested a number of para
graphs be read dealing with rules
and regulations covering the