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Evening star., 1953-10-03
Organized Bible Glasses

the coming year: Margaret De-
Witt, president; 10 Arnold, vice
president: Margaret Lewis, cur
riculum chairman; Eva Rite
nour. secretary; Bert Smith,
treasurer: Charles Monn, men,
berShip chairman: Edith Ma
theny, recreation chairman;
Kathleen Beam. social welfare
chairman, and Paul L. Selby and
MaStin G. White, teachers.
Esthnaoruth Glass of Mount
Vernon Church will meet at 10
am. tomorrow and will be taught
by Mrs. Lucy Rumley. The newly
elected officers will be in charge
OF the meeting. The A. B. Pugh
Class will meet at 10 am. to-
morrow to hear the Rev. William
Wright, associate minister, bring
the message. The Graham Glass
will meet at 10 am. tomorrow
when Philip w. Breux will give
the first two lessons in October
from the Learning from Life Sc
ries based on the subject "Our
Social Creed" The class re-
Gently elected the following Off
GERS for the year; Sam and Mar
jorie Lands, president; Jack and
Arabelle Spencer, vice president;
Dale and Mary Swift, secretary;
Ches and Ruth Looney, treasurer;
Don and Janet Larson, worship;
Dick and Martha Canon, recrea-
ton; John and Ruth McCreary,
reporter; Ralph and Marge Bres-
cia, welfare, and Marvin and
Ervadine Williams, membership.
Pierce Couples Glass at it's re-
cent meeting elected the follow
ing officers for the ensuing year:
Bob and Wilma Grear, president;
Ron and Elsie Menzel, secretary;
Bob and Betty BauSch, treasurer;
Ed and Dorothy Atkinson, wor-
ship; Mel and Bobby Lehman,
and Bob and Cleta White, cur
riculum; John and Janet Daniel;
membership; Dusty and Betty
Rhodes, social welfare; Russ and
Eleanor Kyser, Lowell and Jean
Reed, and Don and Marion Spin
ner, recreation; Tommy and
Juanita Thompson, publicity, and
DR.. w. Harvey Wise and Mrs.
j. D. Ford, teachers. The Forum
Glass will have a representative
of the Moral Rearmament Move
ment speak to the class at 10
am. tomorrow.
The Mems Glass for the Study
of the Bible, National PreSbyter-
ian Church will meet at 10 am.
tomorrow when Col. William S.
Culbertson, noted Bible scholar
and lecturer, will bring the les
son.
Evening star., 1953-10-03
London Canon to Speak
At St. Johns Tomorrow

The Rev. L. John Collins,
canon of st. Paul's Cathedral,
London, will be guest speaker at
the II am. service tomorrow in
st. Johns Episcopal Church,
Sixteenth and H streets NV.
Canon Collins represents the
dean and chapter of the cathe-
dral while its choir of men and
boys makes a two-month tour of
the United States. The choir is
due to sing here at $3.50 pm.
Tuesday in Constitution Hall.
The Rev. G. Leslie Glenn, rec
tor, will celebrate holy COM
munion at 8, $50 and II am.
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its dedication observance, Brad
burn Church will hold two weeks
of revival services starting with
the II am. service tomorrow.
Services will be held at 8
o'clock each evening through
October 18, with the exception
of Saturday and Sunday nights.
Washington ministers who will
participate in the services are
the Rev. Weaver Doyle. the Rev.
w. A. Winfield and William E..
Truman.
The building to be dedicated
tomorrow cost the congregation
$4,000 and will serve as tenn
porary church. 1t will seat 140
persons. A building to seat $50
persons and estimated to cost
$125,0O0 will be started next
spring on the 312-acre lot.
Bradburn Church was founded
in 1890 by the Rev. j. B. Brad
burn at Thirteenth and L streets
Sc. Three years later the church
moved to its present location,
where the late Mrs. A. T. Lyon
permitted construction of a
church on her property. In 1924
the congregation purchased the
land from Mrs. Lyon.
The church originally was a
member of the Baltimore Con-
ference of the Methodist Epis-
copal Church, but withdrew in
1925. 1t has been an independ-
ent charge since that time.
Former pastors were the RevS,
William L. Lynn, 1899-1905; j..
Edgar Smith, 19O5-1910; j. M.
McCauley, 1910-1917; ]. E. Slick.
1917-1926; o. C. Barber, 1926
1884, and C. D. Brewington,
1934-1939.
y, Mr.. Glascoe, the present pas
Or, is a native of Washington.
/ Sattended the Vermont Avenue
Bl. e Institute, and was ordained
in 1o39 after ID years as Sunday
school superintendent. His assist
ant is the Rev. Edgar Harrison.
Evening star., 1953-10-03
Methodist Secretary
To Address Women

D. Stewart Patterson, execu-
tive secretary of the Methodist
Commission on Chaplains, will
speak on "One Answer to One
World" at 2 pm. Tuesday in
Brightwood Park Methodist
Church, Eighth and Jefferson
streets NV.
He will address a meeting of
the Woman's Society of Chris
tan Service of the Washington
East District. Theme of the meet
ing will be "A Sower Went
Forth"
Evening star., 1953-10-03
Lutheran Group to Elect

The Washington District
Lutheran Brotherhood will hold
election and installation of Of
ficers at 6:45 pm. Monday at
the Lutheran Church of the
Reformation, 212 East Capitol
street. The Rev. Paul Orso, di-
rector of the Lutheran Inner
Mission Society, will speak.
Evening star., 1953-10-03
First Brethren Church
To Hold Homecoming

The, First Brethren Church of
Washington, Twelfth street and
Pennsylvania avenue Sc, will
hold its Homecoming and rally
day celebration tomorrow.
The Rev. Homer A. Kent, for
mer pastor and now faculty
member of Grace Theological
Seminary, will speak at II am.
and 7:45 pm. Both dinner and
supper will be served at the
church, which will hold home
coming program during the
afternoon.
Evening star., 1953-10-03

ing the lesson "What Kind of a
World Could God Approve?"
King Bible Glass for Men of
Anacostia Methodist Church re-
Gently elected the following Of
f1cers: John E. Tayman, presi-
dent; Ralph Payne, vice presi-
dent; John Lainhart, reelected
secretary; Willard Rankin, as
sistant secretary; Carl Bowman,
reelected treasurer, and George
lizard, reelected recording sec
retary.
Everyman's Bible Glass of
Woodside Methodist Church, Sill
yer Spring, Md, will meet at
9:45 am. tomorrow when Howard
Smith will present the lesson
What Kind of a World Could
God Approve?"
Harrison Bible Glass of st.
Luke's Methodist Church at GAS
a m. tomorrow will have DR.. DAN
iel w. Justice, minister of the
church, teach the lesson What
Kind of a World Could God APP
prove?" E. V. Grosvenor, presi-
dent, will preside and C. Toby
Chandler will read the lesson.
Trinity Mems Bible Class of
Trinity Methodist Church will
meet at 9:45 am. tomorrow with
the lesson given by Arthur L.
Hayford. His subject will be
THE Divine Plan for a Better
World"
Vaughn Bible Class of Calvary
Baptist Church will meet at 9:45
am. tomorrow when o. K. Arm
strong will teach the lesson,
Gods Design for a Better
World" Members Of the class
at 2::30 pm. tomorrow will visit
George Washington University
Hospital to conduct religious
services for disabled miners. Bur-
rail- Glass at 10 am. tomorrow
will have Mrs. w. S. Abernethy
present the lesson.
Burtis Glass of Lewis Memorial
Methodist Church will meet at
GAS am. tomorrow. with R. R.
Groomes teaching the lesson.
The Joy Glass of Epworth
Methodist Church will meet at
GAS am. tomorrow in its new
classroom to hear the lesson.
Goodwill Bible Class of East
ern Presbyterian Church will
meet at 9:45 am. tomorrow when
Miss Edna Allwine will start a
new series of lessons on "The
New Testament Church" Fol-
lowing the lesson, members will
assist in the morning services at
the Home for the Aged and
Infrm.
Templemen's Bible Class of
Temple Baptist Church will meet
at 1918 am. tomorrow with
George w. Bell ST., teaching the
lesson.
Pinkham Bible Glass for Men
of National Baptist Memorial
Church will meet at 10 am. to-
morrow, when Paul H. Parker
will teach the lesson.
The adult classes, together
with the entire Sunday school
of the Reformation Lutheran
Church, will meet at 10 am. to-
morrow, Rally Day, to hear DR..
and Mrs. Inadomi of Osaka, ia
pan. They are supported in their
missionary work by the Refor-
nation Sunday School.
Rustin Couples Glass, togeth-
er with the 24-30 class of Mount
Vernon Place Methodist Church,
will meet at 10 am. tomorrow
to hear DR.. John C. Mayne, di-
rector of organization, Protes-
tantS and Other Americans
United, speak on predictions of
the Prophets Fulfilled in the New
Testament" All States Glass has
elected the following officers for
Evening star., 1953-10-03
Lutheruns to Meet

The Lutheran Sunday School
Workers Association of Metro
politan Washington will meet at
Ascension Lutheran Church.
Landover Hills, Md, at $3.50 pm.
tomorrow. A Chalk Talk on
Missions" will be given by Mrs.
Winifred Meyer of Bethlehem
Church,
Evening star., 1953-10-03

A native of Crystal Springs,
Miss, he is a graduate of Missis-
sippi College and Southwestern
Baptist Theological Seminary.
He served pastorates in Okla
homa, Texas and Mississippi.
During World War II he served
as an Army chaplain, saw ac-
ton for IL months and was
among those to land on Nor
mandy Beach on D-Day.
Mr.. Bryant is married and
has two children. He will live
at 1926 FesSenden street NV.
Evening star., 1953-10-03

0udpuO.
Rabbi Hal
perm h a S
S e rv d as
rabbi in New
P h iladelphia,
o h 10, a n d
Sarnia, Ont.
A native of
N e W Y or k,
r a b b i Hal
perm was or
dained in 1949
at Yavne He
bre W Theo-
logical Semi
nary He iS q
Evening star., 1953-10-03

graduate of City College of New
York, and is now completing
studies in religious education at
New York University. He also
studied at Yeshiva University
and YeShiva Rabbi Israel Salan-
ter and the Rabbi Isaac Elcha-
nan Theological Seminary.
Rabbi and Mrs. Halpern and
their two children plan to live
at the Greenway Apartments.
Evening star., 1953-10-03

9:45 am. to-
m orro w to
hear Harper
L. G arr e t t
teach the les
son =" God S
Design for a
Better World"
The L. F. o.
ClSs of Brook
land Metho-
dist Church
will meet at
9:45 am. to-
morrow with
M RS. Nellie
InRnrrr knnnh
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am. service
tomorrow in
the church,
Forty = second
and Fessen-
den S tr e e t S
NV.
Mr.. Bryant,
who took over
his new post
this w e e k,
c a m e here
from h e
S outh Nc
Comb Baptist
Church, Nc
Comb Miss.
Evening star., 1953-10-03
By Howard M. Stockhouse

The Glass of Friendship Of
Emory Methodist Church will
hold it's business meeting in the
class room at 8 pm. Monday.
Box Bible Glass will meet at
Evening star., 1953-10-03

$500 Marlboro
pike, District
Heights, at IL
am. tomor-
row.
TIL e r e v.
James GlaS-
coe, p a S t or,
will speak on
&C hris t Re-
jected." His
topic at the
old church at
8 pm. will be,
II m m e d i ate
Service.
A. AK
Evening star., 1953-10-03
Catholicism Forums

A series of open-air discussion
forums on Catholicism will be
given at Ninth street and Con-
stitution avenue NV. this
month by the Catholic Evidence
Guild. Students from st. Paul'S
College will conduct the series
at 2:30 pm. Sundays beginning
tomorrow.
Evening star., 1953-10-03
Church Dedication
Planned Tomorrow
In District Heights

Members of Bradburn Me-
mortal Independent Methodist
Church, 1341 K street Sc, will
dedicate their new church at
Evening star., 1953-10-03
Congregation Beth Israel
Names Spiritual Leader

Congregation Beth Israel, 3408
C street Sc, has named Rabbi
Martin S. Halpern it's spiritual
leader. succeeding Rabbi Aharon
Evening star., 1953-10-03
Rev. James A. Bryant
To Preach Tomorrow

The Rev. James A. Bryant
will deliver his first sermon as
pastor of Wisconsin Avenue
Baptist Church at the IL
The Arizona post., 1953-09-18

charming villas and luxury flats
of four, five, or occasionally more
rooms, the typical Israeli home
contains two rooms plus kitchen,
bath, and-most important of all
one or more balconies. Here,
during the eight dry months, the
family eats, relaXeS, and enter
tains. Here the children play, the
baby is aired, the wash is hung
to dry, rugs are beaten, and potted
plants are cultivated with loving
care.
With rare exceptions, Israel in
teriors are as austere and uni
form as their exteriors. All have
White-washed plaster walls; all
are floored with off-White ten-inch
tiles. "Sabras" can't conceive of
wallpaper or wooden floors. All
have very high ceilings (cool in
Summer), from the middle of
which bangles single naked elec-
trio light, to be dressed" at the
owners discretion. A Walk-in
closet is as much of a curiosity as
tWo-headed calf.
KITCHENS are equipped with a
small sink and a marble drain
board. The housewife must sup
ply her own kitchen cabinets, a
small iceboX, Can electric refrig-
orator is the luxury, dreamed of
before all otherS), a slotted wood
en- dish drain fixed on the wall
above the sink, and a variety of
makeShift shelves camouflaged by
cotton curtains. The StoveS-one-
burner kerosene, two-burner bot
tied gas, or electric hot plate-sit
on a table A real stove with an
oven is next after refrigerator in
the housewives nirvana.
Interior decoration deSers to eli
mate and lack of storage space. A
large buffet usually dominates the
living room. A towering, six-foot
wardrobe hogs most of the hall.
The bedroom, which usually
serves as the "children's room,"
always contains a large contrap-
ton composed of a variety of
shelves, drawers, open and closed
cupboards.
THE TYPICAL Israeli living
room is as standard as its Ameri-
can counterpart. Besides the
buffet, there is always a daybed
The Arizona post., 1953-09-18
By ANTONIA SEIXAS

THE LITTLE daughter of an
English family which recently set
tied in Israel sighed enviously
when told that come from Amer
lea. "You have houses big enough
for buffalo and deer to roam in,
don't you?" she said.
"WHAT?" her mother and 1
shrieked in unison.
"You know the song" she
said. "Oh, give me home where
the buffalo roam" in a house
like that everybody would have
his own room =" She sighed
again and glared at her two little
brothers.
For in Israel a room of ones
own is luxury beyond ones fond
est dreams. Even before the "im-
migration avalanche, Isra eli S
averaged 21a persons to a room.
Now, in the cities, where doubling
up is the rule, "Oh give me a
home" is cry for a roof for
family, not personal privacy. In
the ma 'abarot, where each fam
ily's roof" covers a one-room tin
or wood hut, the longed-for
"home" means four solid walls
built of concrete blocks.
Building has proceeded at a phe-
nomenal rate. New housing pro-
jects are changing the looks of the
country from month to month.
But though the once wild and
lonely landscapes, now dotted with
white hamlets, may seem scarcely
recognizable, the villages them
selves are confusing in their SINH
larity. For Israel architects, con-
ditioned by climate, finances and
available materials, have achieved
a remarkably consistent Israel
Style -refreshingly simple or de-
monotonous, depending
upon your point of view.
NO MATTER what their size or
purpose, all Israel homes built in
the last 20 years have certain uni
form characteristics. They are
uncompromisingly "moderne" =
flat-roofed, flat-walled, built of
bare white stucco relieved only by
white or ochre shutters.
Though there are, of course,
The Arizona post., 1953-09-18

or double-duty sofa with wooden
arms on which the parents sleep
after the children have requisi-
toned the bedroom" Because
White-Wash rubS off, the daybed
corner is often framed in straw
mating or printed textile stretch
ed head high agains the wall. On
the Oriental rug in front of the
couch stands a simple rectangular
coffee table in dark wood. Nearby
are a couple of wooden chairs
with upholstered seats. An "easy"
chair is an imported rarity. Mod
est bookshelves, few knick-
knacks, photographs, and - al
ways - a vase of flowers, COM
plete with picture.
IT'S A SAFE bet even greater
structures of simplicity, "func-
tiOnaIism," and uniformity will be
imposed on Israeli architecture, at
least as long as thousands of de-
cent minimum-houSing units must
be built on a shoestring. Never
theless, pioneer ascetiSm is giving
way here and there. The more
I daring are Frightening their walls
with colored 'White-WaSh," or
toning down the glaringly white
exteriors. There is a walk-in closet
in a Rehovoth home which has
defied, for twelve years, the dire
predictions of the architect over
whose all-but-dead body it was
built. Swedish pre-fabs, conde-
scendingly classed as "tzrifim"
(shacks) because they are made
of wood, have been eye-openers
in the matter of built-in storage
and kitchen convenience. Indeed,
American kitchens" are now
standard in luxury flats.
Red-tile pitched roofs, brighten
ing the countryside, are no longer
novel. "California-bungaloW"-
type duplexes, allowing more
scope for individuality and fitting
more graciously into the scenery
than the noWtraditional mod
erne" boxes, are now in their turn
becoming standard. And sooner
or later, some brave iconoclast
will paint his shutters bright
green. Ten-to-one he'll be an
American. Israel Speaks.
The Arizona post., 1953-09-18

ARIZONA POST, September 1S, 1858
Evening star., 1953-05-23
H. D. Stevenson, Official
Of Stevedoring Companies
By the Associated Press

NORFOLK, Va, May 23.-
H. D. Stevenson, stevedoring Of
fetal along the East Coast and
head of several Eastern con-
Germs, died here early today after
attending a function at the Nor
folk Yacht and Country Club.
The cause of Mr.. Stevenson's S
death at 1910 am. was not
known Immediately.
Mr.. Stevenson, believed in his
late SOS. was president of Steven
son & Young, Inc, which car
rles on Stevedoring activities in
New York, Norfolk and Morehead
City, N. c. Until recently, Ste
venson & Young operated the
Norfolk Army port of embarka-
tion under contract.
Mr.. Stevenson was president
Of M. P. Smith & Sons, a pickle
making concern of Dover, Del,
and president of Stevedoring
Equipment, a rental company.
During World War II, Mr..
Stevenson was head of the steve
doring division of the War Ship
ping Administration. He was
chairman of the board of the
National Association of Steve
dOreS.
Evening star., 1953-05-23
Communists Tell Red Cross
OfGood Treatment of POWs

ten by the prisoners themselves.
Nearly all the pictures show the
prisoners smiling and apparently
in good spirits.
An example of the propa-
gandist nature of the publica-
ton is an article headed "I Be-
came Literate as a pow" in
which a prisoner identified as
Pfc. Billy j. Holland of Fort
Smith, Ark, allegedly wrote:
Before my capture I had little
or no education. I could barely
write my own name our
Comrade Chen of the Chinese's
Peoples Volunteers learned OF
my problem and started
teaching me to write"
The pictures show prisoners at
sports and numerous other recre-
ational activities, taking their
meals, receiving mail from home
and writing replies, receiving
medical treatment and celebrat-
ing Christmas and Thanksgiving.
A Thanksgiving dinner, which
the book says was served in
North Korean POW Camp No. S,
included fried chicken, mashed
potatoes, beef stew, apple turn
overs, doughnuts, tomato catsup,
butter and jam.
The POWS in North Korea
are among friends" the book
concludes.
Evening star., 1953-05-23
Early Bandits Knock Out
Filling Station Attendant

Police are searching for two
men who they said knocked out
and robbed the attendant of a
Sunoco service station at 14O
Florida avenue NE. early today.
According to detective Robert
F. Krahling of the robbery
squad, two colored men ap-
proach Robert L. Rush, 10, of
80 D street NV. at about 5
am. and asked him to sell them
a can of gasoline. Mr.. Rush
was repairing a tire.
While the attendants back
was turned, police said, one man
struck him on the head. When
he regained conciousness, money
from his change carrier and
pockets, totaling $3.50, was miss
ing. Mr.. Rush was treated for
severe head bruises at Casualty
Hospital and released.
Evening star., 1953-05-23
Tin Baltimore Get
Jail on Tax Charges
Special Dispoteh 10 The Ssor

BALTIMORE. May 22.-Two
former Government tax employees
were committed to Jail yesterday
in default of $1,000 fines after
they pleaded guilty to income
tax violations.
Federal Judge William C. Cole
man refused to postpone pay
ment of the fines imposed on
Mrs. Jessie M. Jones, So. a widow
who worked for 10 years as a
Baltimore Customs House tax
window cashier, and F. Joseph
Huppman, 81, a deputy collector
Of internal revenue with II years
service.
Mrs. Jones was charged with
falsely claiming a distant rela-
tive as a dependent and with fl
ing a false questionnaire form
in connection with it.
Huppman pleaded guilty to as
sisting in preparation of the
false QUESTIONABLE. Both Defend
ants live in Baltimore. Over a
f1ve-year period, Mrs. Jones ben
Gifted to the extent of $619.96
by the false reports.
Evening star., 1953-05-23
By the Assoeioted Press

GENEVA, Switzerland, May
23.-Communist China's health
minister, Mrs. Ii Teh Chuan, as
tonished delegates to the execu-
tive committee of the League of
Red Cross Societies here this
week with a glossy 92-page bro
chure on the life of United Ma
tions prisoners in Communist
hands.
The book, published in Peiping
by the Chinese Peoples Com
mittee for World Peace" is
printed in English and contains
several hundred photographs
purporting to show the good
treatment and living conditions
accorded prisoners by the Com
munists.
The League of Red Cross So
cietieS, one of the few interna-
tional bodies on which both Com
munist China and the Western
powers have full and equal
status, has never before received
such elaborate propaganda ma
terial on the prisoners in North
Korea.
The book is lavishly filled with
full names and addresses of Brit
ish and American prisoners, both
in the picture captions and in
the text. Some Of the articles
are purported to have been writ
Evening star., 1953-05-23
Frederick Jackson,
Noted Playwright
And Movie Writer
BY the Assoeioted Press

HOLLYWOOD. May %
Death by heart attack has
claimed Frederick Jackson, Ct,
author of scores of plays for
stage, screen and television. He
was stricken Unexpectedly yes
terday.
Born in Pittsburgh and edu-
Gated at Washington & jefferson
University, Mr.. Jackson had
written more than so plays, the
latest of which is Dear
Charles" currently a hit in Lon
don. He began writing in 1905
for magazines and was for years
under contract to the Frank A.
Munsey publications.
Among his stage successes
were 'The Bishop Misbehaves. !"
School for Husbands" "The
Hole in the WALL" and "The
Kings Messenger"
Mr.. Jackson began his movie
writing for the Pearl White SER
ialS in 1912, and he had con-
tributed many serials and fea-
lures to the films. His later
pictures included wells Fargo" !"
Stormy Weather" "Hi -Diddle
Diddle," and 1.-TWO Tickets To
Heaven"
Mr.. Jackson collaborated on
some of his stage plays with
Merrill Rogers. He wrote others
under the name of Victor
Thorne. He was married to
Florence Howe.
Evening star., 1953-05-23
George N. IreIan, Jr.
Nephew Of Former
u. 5. Attorney, Dies

George M. Irelan. jr.. 81, a
District native and nephew of
former United States Attorney
Charles M. Irelan, died Thurs
day night in Georgetown Hos
pital of a cerebral hemmorhage.
He was the son of Mr.. and
Mrs. George M. Irelan of 4827
Western avenue NV. His
father is assistant vice president
of the Riggs National Bank.
Mr.. Irelan was a graduate of
Wilson High School and had
served as manager for the Allen
and Bethesda Theaters. At the
time of his death he was en-
ployed by the investment firm of
Rouse. Brewer & Becker in the
Wyatt Building.
Besides his parents, Mr.. Irelan
is also survived by a younger
brother, John Peters Irelan.
Funeral services will be held
at II am. Monday at Gawler's
funeral home, 1756 PENNSYLVANIA
avenue NV. Burial will be in
Rock Creek Cemetery.
Evening star., 1953-05-23
Secret Service Steps In, Clears
Mrs. Eisenhower Benefit Debt

Mrs. Eisenhower almos t
did the Washington Home
for Foundlings out of $4 yes
terday. inadvertently. but she
put herself square with the aid of
a Secret Service man.
1t happened this way:
Mrs. John w. Reeves, 5608
Pollard road, Springfield, Md,
was selling tickets to the Inter-
national Fashion Show and Tea,
to be held at 3 pm. Wednesday
in the Indian Embassy for the
benefit of the home. She oper-
ated a booth in the lobby of the
Shoreham Hotel.
About l pm, Mrs. Eisenhower
came in to attend a luncheon.
Mrs. Reeves approached her and
made a pitch. The First Lady
said she was late for luncheon
but would talk about it when she
came out.