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The Key West citizen., 1952-10-18
Interview With Turtle Proves To Be Futile
Task As Salty Shellback Refuses 10 Comment
MARINE MASCOT
GOES ASTRAY AND
ENDS UP ON
WATSON STREET
Citizen staff Phs !.
BY DOROTHY RAYMER


interviewing a turtle is a some
what futile JOB. The one ia quas.
ton was not 0nIy camera shy
but confined his Cor herg) com-
Ements to silent gulps. The voice
Of the turtle heard IN the land
is strictly for the birds. turtle
doves, that is. But if the turtle
we saw this morning had been
able to talk it probably would
have muttered, Look, sister !.
when do / eat?"
Not only when. but whatf
This morning, The Citizen got
a call from Francis Hamilton, a
Navy gunner's mate who reported
that turtle had been found in
his neighborhood and was being
held at 9iT Watson street be-
cause il was evidently a Marine
Corps mascot. We disobeyed all
turtle crawl rules and sped to
the scene where we found the
turtle hiding his light under a
husheI, a hushel basket. ReleaS-
ed. the turtle which Is about
seven inches long and has high
bumped back. blinkcd and wrig-
gled his flippers but kept crawl
ing out Of camera range. On his
shell We're white letters KEY
West Marines" and the initials
MFT.
Keeping tabs on the turtle.
evidently Of landed gentry, was
four year old Junius Posey, son
OF MIR. and Mrs. j. o. Posev of
Watson street who found il
crawling across the lane near
his home. His mother said that
il looked like a trunkback turtle
10 her, She's originally from
North Carolina and knows about
land turtles
Most turtles when handled
withdraw into their tank arrnor
Bat nef this enc Iie pulSatea his
yeilow leSther throat waved
yellow and brown spotted front
tlipnerS equipped with tinv
claws and hatted his eyes IN the
sunlight Perhaps he had soaked
up some 81 that Marine esprit
d'c0rps. he wasn't at all shy.
Back At the office. called the
Marine Barracks and told sleu,
Of the find. After q moment.
delay q voice AZ The ether end
said @Yes, msa.asn. we did have
4 turtle mascot but ase Ies hiui
60 some time aeo. dnnt know
exactly when We a1ant knoa'
What 70 feed Kim We done var,
tContinned On Page FMel
The Key West citizen., 1952-10-18
Naval Officer Retires Today
After Thir.ty-One Years Of
Service At Worldwide Posts

perfs on shs olyrspin's good
viii tour Of the Allied Nations.
IN the early days Of 1871 the
Olympia was IN fsrndon and
gsamsn Serond Class Seosf
was q uasnber of the Guard
AZ fsoncr detailed from ihai
xhfp For The burial 81 Eng.
fzrS's unkncwn Soldier. Later.
IA ska sasns rear. fhe Olympia
Tatuynea fEse kodY 81 he Ansgf.
can Unknrwn aoldier sroFn
rrarrs - Waskiuaacn. .. G.
asasn SesrnNn scoEs was
masnssr a. re Guard IL Hsnor.
iris fna hssded ~ CenaTa1
soAn 3. -Bisrk Jack Perish
49,
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The Key West citizen., 1952-10-18
Asks Explanation
On Ike's Policy

WASHINGTON tH-The head Of
lhe Democratic National Commit
Zee SAID taday II Gen. Dwight d.
Eisenhower has 4 scheme" 10 end
the Kores war ard vent tell Pres
idcnt Truman about II, ''then he
should explain 10 the American
people Nhy nc feels he must with.
hOld . plan which could save Amer
kcan lives.
Chairman Stephen A. Mitchell.
n q statement issued by the com.
miltee, urged TIE Republican pres
ldcnlial csntlldase 70 follow the
lead az his Democretic exponent.
Gov. Adiai Stevenson. ard so on
the air wi,h flrNSsia Chats.
Mitchell SAD Ssevensea has nade
two such talks without benefit oE
props. hired ciaCques. halionns or
confetti away from tie emotion
I'll hnbbub of eananaiga rallies,
and urged Eisenhower 10 do the
same.
"for his ilrSt topic. | would SnE-
geSt that Gen. Eisenhower discuss
Korea Aiiehell ssld
IF Gen. Eisenhower does not
feel thas he can offer bis Susges.
tons e sAe peesfdeat. then he
should explain e. fhr American
peo9ae why be feels he must With.
hold q plsr whleh could save Amer.
lear lives :
The Key West citizen., 1952-10-18
Federal Suit Is
Brought Against
Gomez In Miami

Maurice J Tobir q S. ssretary
Of Labor, has filed i suit in United
States District Court here against
Aerovias "Q rs A. j corporation,
and Rosclio Gomez. an individual
doing business ii Key West as the
Key Wess.iavana Overseas Tours,
for S27l4.25 III unpaid wages alleged
to be due Henry Selfert, an en-
ployee CT the defendants.
The suit brought under Section
1C (c) Of the Fair Labor Standards
Act federal Wage and Hour Law),
seeks TO recover Si90775 IN unpaid
minimum wages from the two de-
PENDANTS, jointly. and $sif.5O in un-
paid overtime compensation from
Rogelio Gomez. Individually, to-
gether With interest and costs Of
bringing The suit,
Filing of the suit resulted from a
written request 10 the Secretary Of
Labor BY Seifert. the employee.
The Key West citizen., 1952-10-18
1T. X. NJ. SCOTT
HAS SEEN DUTY
FROM EUROPE TO
ORIENT SINCE 20's
By WILLIAM rn AzEa
res prral1neli

70 the haantng strains q
Auld Lang syne heing brad
east over the ships p5c al
dress system. Iletenaat r IS
scsss lefs she f1ss l faf
final ratireHt. u was ffe sal
msnatlon * tstv 1gse years and
en mmths ~ ae
sag4e far sne puslsr es
g3ffirar whae h 10
lag1 at gse N5 T
tiga at Newport r
fFsa firxf shsp wms sha uSS
oiYnpsa a = afsns whsn -
cid ecsi burnss w4s knswn
throagA.us fha nnss is -.
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hef he vaSifea rnsnY EaE5psan
The Key West citizen., 1952-10-18
.Sixty-Year Old
Woman RObs Bank

los ANGELES a - A gray.
haired womap IN her COS is sought
taaay for rohhlng bank
Marguerite Everett. 4 teller as .
branch If the California Bank.
couldn't believe what she heard
when the gFsndmotherly woman
showed . bag at her yesterday and
whispered: "FiIl this with money
Il can't hear you" Miss Everett
said
This gun docs ray talking for
ne snd can uss i, spoke up
the ruhher.
The teller filled the bag with
approximately 81 l.ooo. and grand
M" walked 10 the door ard das.
appeared into q crowd.
The Key West citizen., 1952-10-18
Mother Jailed
For Daughters
Truancy Friday
Sheriff Arrests
Woman On Florida
Statute Friday

The first mother TO be arrested
for keeping her child out Of school
was placed in Monroe county Jail
last night on the order of Juvenile
Court Judge Eva Warner Gibson.
She win spen d 90 days there unless
her child is in school Monday morn
ing.
The accused mother Is a Mrs.
Naomi Lee who has, it is charged
kept her eight year old daughter
out Of school deliberately and re-
peatedly" so that she can serve as
sitter to two younger children.
The child has had very little If
any schooling, Judge Gibson's of
flee said.
Penalty for depriving a child Of
the right to attend school is 80 DAYS
in Jail or 500 fine, according to
Florida State law 232 10, Sec. g..
Mrs. Isabel Fleming, probation Of
ficer for the Juvenile court said TO-
day.
The mother was arrested by De-
putty Sheriff Serge Hernandez yes
terday. She spent over night in jail,
was released this morning, but win
be sent back to jail Monday morn
ing if her eight year old is not in
school.
The case Of the child was report
ed by Truant Officer John Marzyck
to Judge Gibson. Mrs. Fleming IN
vestigated and found that the char
ges were true. The mother cannot
receive welfare because she is
being supported. She claims to
work but no one can seem to ascer-
tain her occupation. A neat clean
woman she tried desperately to
raise bond when she was arrested
yesterday. She was released on
condition that she send her child to
school.
Judge Gibson's breakdown comees
as a lesson, she hopes, to other
mothers in the community, who she
says are exploiting their youngsters
and robhing them of their democrat
tic right to an education. This first
case Of an actual arrest Of the
mother of truant child may cause
other parents to abide b. the iaw,
she said.
The Key West citizen., 1952-10-18
Eisner And Cobo TO Spark DnveFor
improved Negro Housing InKeyWest
Man Arrested
For MOlesting
Child
Hearing Set Before
Albury Monday For
Navy Yard Worker

Arthur Geesey, Navy Yard work.
er, win have hearing on charges
Of molesting a minor child before
Peace Justice Ira Albury Monday
at p. m. it was announced today.
The middle aged man is charged
on two counts Of the felony which
IS penitentiary offense. He is the
fourth man hailed before Juvenile
Court Judge Eva Warner Gibson
in the last three months on such a
charge.
Geesey, according to Mrs. Isabel
Fleming, Juvenile court probation
worker, molested ten year old
school girl twice in her home while
her parents were away.
The first offense took place when
the parents were fishing on Septem-
Der 20. Geesey, who lived in the
aeighborhood, is charged with COM
ing in TO the sleeping girls room
ard molesting her. The frightened
child did not tell her parents inn
mediately, fearing that the man
would beat up her father" Mrs.
Fleming said.
Three days after the first offence
on September %, it is alleged that
Geesey molested the child again
while her parents were out. This
time she confided in a girl friend
who told her mother, who in turn
told the victims parents. The irate
father reported the alleged crime
to the Sheriff's department and
Juvenile court. Deputy Sheriff Ser
sc Hernandez arrested Geesey on
0rkober who was placed IN Mon
roe County jail on $1,000 bond on
each count.
The girl, said 70 be extremely re-
iigi0us, tried to blot out the Incl.
dents through prayer in her terror
of a recurrence. She viii appear at
the hearing Monday with Mrs.
Fleming who is in charge Of the Of
flee Of Juvenile Court while Judge
Gibson is out Of town.
Last offender in child molesting,
Edward Moriarty Of Marathon was
sentenced to ten years in the state
penitentiary.
The Key West citizen., 1952-10-18
CycIist Is Badly
Injured In Keys
Accident Friday


Motoreyclist Kenneth Elvoy Mil
Ter, rs, Of Sweetwater Tenn, is in
the Monroe General hospital with
compound fracture Of the right les,
bruises and abrasions after slam
ming into car on the north end
of the Seven Mile Bridge, Overseas
Highway.
The accident happened last night
at $50 >. m. when a AZ Plymouth
sedan driven by Clarence Reid
Smith, 50, a mechanic and boatman
Of Marathon. Fla. halted about one
mile south Of the end Of the Seven
Mile Bridge when light fuse blew
out. Smiths wife got out Of the au-
lomobile and tried to flag down the
approaching motorcycle which was
coming at a fast clip between As
ard SO miles an hour. Miller did
not see Mrs. Smith and since there
were no lights on the halted car.
he crashed into the left rear fender
ard bumper Of Smiths vehicle.
Pritchard's ambulance was cal
led 10 the scene and the injured
man taken 10 the hospital where he
was admitted at II p. m.
State Highway Patrolman Slim"
walker investigated the mshap.
The motorcycle sustained damage
10 tthe right front Of The machine.
Miller lives currently at Pidgeon
Key and Is employed By the Over
seas Road tell department there.
The Key West citizen., 1952-10-18
Lions Club Sees
Greenland Movies

4 presentation Of color pictures
q he TOP secret proircl. operatlon
biueJay, which was carried a.,t hv
ne Armed Forces ! year aro wss
Nae program f0g lhc Ilone f.l,,h
Thursday night
pr. " Brown. lMc) frgN ms
stationed here Who 1aa affael,s.l
e re operation as medical Officer
TOOK The pictures. he showed lhe,n
aisa explained fhe various srenes
Operaison biueIay was the nls.
son sent osls % 81 up 81 AZ Farfe
oase - the North Pole. The assie5.
sies we're eentered il Greeais,,a
ana 4 WAS pietnfeA d this eold
country ard is people shat vere
taken b. Dr.. nFoun
The speaker told ! nnmbns a. A.
asfesling and amusinr anedoles
spout TIC Eskimos miso lshahis shss
aaf northern ares. 81 sseelsI 49,.
esf 70 the local group -. she -.
saFe ne shoNsd q - Eskimo : ~
= asaeged By TIE peopss iisere e -
lse n'fzliiuase son X Hear Admir-.
q hosseff PesFg. Ne esIaenss : /.
presented . back u, iAe gskln.e I
~ prtufes NeFn th1ua felIoN.
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Pani AiFy pFesed = fhe nese.
- and fnufsae nssnese ase,1x.
ssnns SIRE earrse4 e.
The Key West citizen., 1952-10-18
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The Key West citizen., 1952-10-18
Oldtime Cop Dies

SANTA MONICA. Calf. -
William Anson tBilll LOOMS. per
haps the last of the law officers
who dealt with the bandits of the
old West, died yesterday.
lie was personally acquainted
with such figures as Jesse James,
Billy the Kid and Wyatt Earp. He
claimed to have oEficiased az Is
hanglngS.
The Key West citizen., 1952-10-18
CITY COMMISSIONERS
TO URGE IMMEDIATE
ACTION FROM k. W.
HOUSING AUTHORITY

tAutnoEty 70 take AeCeSSute@111&<I.s .s
to correct the slum conditions in
which some Of the colored people
live.
Last month. Cobo said that as q
medical man he was fearful that
present unsanitary conditions in
certain crowded areas might re-
suit in an outbreak Of disease.
AS a professional man, however.
Cobo said. he Is mindful of the
need to protect property owners,
and not have their land condemned
to make way for a project.
Money is available for 4 public
civilian Negro project. The only
question is whereg' said the den-
tist. Ideally the project should be
in one place, not scattered. But
We can only get sufficient land for
concentrated project II the Navy
will cooperate on attract Of land
near Fort Village"
Cobo and Eisner have talked with
Commissioner John Carbonell
about the need for getting To-
gether with housing officials on
starting the bali rolling for Negro
housing.
Bis delay has been the lack of
available land IN tight.packed Key
-s44
Evening star., 1952-09-18
Donohue Urges Democrats
To Greet Gov. Stevenson

Loyal Democrats of the Metro
Ipolitan Area yesterday were urged
by District Commissioner F. Jo-
|seph Donohue, himself a loyal
Democrat. to turn out Saturday
for the arrival of Gov. Adlai Ste
venson at National Airport.
Presidential Candidate Ste
venson is due here at 1855 am.
Mr.. Donohue issued his call for a
warm welcome as chairman of the
Stevenson-Sparkman Club Of the
District.
Mr.. Donohle said he had been
lin touch with Gov. Stevenson's
campaign staff to get the candi-
date to give a short speech on his
arrival. Campaign headquarters
replied, however, that a political
talk on that date would be "inap-
Ipropriate because of the Jewish
New Year." Mr.. Donohue said.
Evening star., 1952-09-18
Blank Cartridges Explode
In Fire, Injuring Two Boys

Two 6-year-old boys were hurt
yesterday when .22-caliber blank
cartridges exploded in an alley
bonfire in the 1000 block of Sixth
street NE.
AS a result a 13-year-old boy
and a 9-year-old boy were ac-
cused Of discharging explosives
without a permit. The older boy
also was accused of petty lar
ceny.
Treated and released at Gal
linger Hospital were Paul Moore,
colored, Of 1018h Sixth street
NE, and Tyrone Adams. colored,
Of 624 Morton place NE, who suf-
fered minor wounds from the
flying fragments.
Detective Sergts. Joseph F..
Longo and Albert G.. Fielder of
the juvenile squad said the blanks
were stolen from workmen at the
Taylor School, Seventh and G
streets NE. They said the older
boy admitted the theft.
Evening star., 1952-09-18
Gems Worth $1,000 Lost
By 7 Washington Visitors

Gems valued at $1,000 were lost
by two District visitors during the
past three weeks. police were told
yesterday.
Mrs. Kathleen Tower of AMMAN
dale, Va, reported the loss Tues
day OF a small package containing
two rings. One, she said, was a
$4,000 31a-carat diamond set in
platinum, and the other a $2,5OO
21a-carat emerald. She said they
probably were lost in the 5000
block of South Capitol street.
Philip German. 305 Adams ave-
nue., Alexandria, Va, reported that
his mother, Mrs. Sarah German,
Of the Bronx. New York, lost jewels
valued at $2,400 while she was
visiting here August 20. Included
were 2-carat diamond ring VAL
ued at 81 1,500. a diamond solitaire
at $500 and a brooch valued
at $500. Mr.. German said his
lost them in the 1900 block
Of Fourteenth street NV.
Evening star., 1952-09-18
Absentee Voting in
South CuroIinu

As a serpice to the Districts
absentee UoterS The Star is pub
fishing Doting regulations in
each State for merit NoUember's
election. One State t1ill be pub
lished each day. Watch for
yours. TodGys instGllnnent is for
residents toho iUish to pote in
South Carolina:
. Officers to Be Elected: Six Rep.
resentatives to Congress and som.
local officials.
Residence Requirement: State
2 years: county. year; precinct
months.
Poll tax was abolished Februar!
13, 1851.
Registration: In person. Re
registration began on January ]
194S, and will be held every i
years. Citizens must be able t
read and write any section Of tn
State constitution selected b
registration officer or have pai'
taxes on property assessed in thi
State at $500 or more to be regis
tered.
Registration for election through
October 4.
Absentee Voting: None.
Further Information may be
obtained In the lobby OF The
Star Building. Eleventh. street
and Pennsylvania GDenue NV.
Dhere the District League OF
Women Voters has set up a
poterS' serUice desk. 1t Is open
from 10 am. to 3 pm. Monday
through Friday and from 10
am. to S pm. Saturday. Tele-
phone Republic 1894.
Tomorrow: South Dakota.
Evening star., 1952-09-18
Beard Taken in County Raid,
Faces Two Numbers Chorqes

Washington Gambler Sam
Beard faces hearing in Upper
Marlboro Police Court on Septem-
ber 26 on two new gambling
charges.
Beard was seized yesterday as
Prince Georges County police
raided the former race wire head
quarters of the Statewide News
Distributors Agency at 3701
Bladensburg road, Colmar Manor
Md.
Seized with him were Is card
board boxes, each containing some
$50 numbers books.
A nine-man police raiding
party. led by County Police Chief
F. Allen Richards. entered the
place through a front door. They
found Beard and an unidentified
colored man, along with piles o1
boxes containing either the num-
bers slips or paint.
Lappin Ordered To Report.
Also there with Beard was a
man identified as Louis Lappin
So, whom police said was ON pro-
baton from a gambling convic-
ton. He was released, but is
ordered to report to the probation
officer to produce evidence OF
"gainfu1 employment" "ts's
Lappiriswas arrested at the old
Marlboro Hotel in March of last
year with George Perry. then re-
garded as one of Boards right
Evening star., 1952-09-18

hand men. Lappin was placed on
probation for three years, accord
ing to Roy Bright, the parole and
probation officer.
Police said Lappin was carrying
some costume jewelry samples and
had a District vendors license
when they entered Boards place.
Police said the place was
licensed to operate water
prooflng paint business there.
Beard previously had maintained
he was in the pickle business.
Freed on Bond.
Beard was taken to the County
Service Building, Hyattsville, and
then to the county police sta
ton in Upper Marlboro, where he
was booked after talking with
States Attorney Carlyle Lam
caster.
One charge accused Beard OF
operating a lottery. The second
charge was for possession Of lot
terry slips.
Beard was freed under $1,50C
bond on each count to await hear
ing before Judge s. Nita Hinman
Crane. The bond was posted by
a professional hondsman.
The rotund Beard seemed irked
over his arrest but not too wor-
|ried.
Thought you were out of the
gambling business, Sam?" asked
a reporter. so What?" said Sam,
and laughed. b%
Evening star., 1952-09-18
Italian Naval Staff Chief
Arrives Here Monday

Admiral Emilio Ferreri, Italy's
chief of naval operations, will ar
rive here Monday for an 11-day
visit in the United States, the
Navy announced today.
The admiral is expected at
g am. at Washington National
Airport MATS terminal. He will
be the guest of Admiral William
NJ. Fechteler, United States chief
of naval operations.
With the visitor will be Signora
Ferreri and Rear admiral Carlos
francesca Tallarico. director Of
intelligence of the italian Navy.
Admiral Ferreri will tour several
naval bases and facilities. He
will concentrate mostly on those
he missed during his previous
visit here in the spring Of 1850.
Evening star., 1952-09-18

Negro brigade is expected at least
to hold it's own. He predicted new
Spingarn High School viii start out
with the biggest unit.
New Instructors Hired.
Uniforms again are a headache,
in both brigades. Rising costs
caused some white units to adopt
cheaper garb last year in place Of
the traditional blues, resulting in
at least four different uniforms.
This isn't hampering recruiting,
however.
Three new instructors have been
hired. Two in the white schools,
Maj. Harold F. Stevenson and
Maj. Wallace M. Benson, jr., are
recently retired officers.
Maj. Stevenson will instruct at
Eastern High School. Mai. Ben
son is assigned at Mckinley.
At Spingarn the cadet unit will
be instructed by 1t. William H.
Hunter. an Army Reserve officer.
Recruiting Nears Peak.
Instructors in the seven white
high schools held their first meet
ing with Col. Barkman yesterday.
Some reported as many recruits
already as they had last year.
Recruiting is just reaching its
peak.
The white brigade was all but
written off a year ago, when it had
less than 600 Members far cry
from the corps heyday when it
could boast $500. But at midyear
a change in recruiting, procedure
and a new drill schedule caused
enrolment to squirt to 1,460. Col
ored enrolment also hit about
that figure last year:
Technically, all boys always
have been required to join. unless
excused by request of parents.
Until last January, however, it was
the practice to permit parents to
make the request merely by sign
ing a card-and many Of them
did. This was true increasingly
after World War II.
Now parents must write the re-
quest in a letter. Apparently this
has caused many of them to think
twice-and end up in the corps
favor.
The other change-even> more
- replaced after-school
drills with periods in school time.
This cut down competition of
cadet activities with sports and
after school work, a long g-standing
obstacle
Evening star., 1952-09-18
Sfeamfitter Gets 80 DAYS
For Refusal 10 Testify

A Washington steamfitter was
given a 30-day jail sentence for
contempt of court in Fairfax yes
terday, after he refused to testify
against man accused of being
his accomplice in the theft of two
gas heaters.
The contempt sentence was i'm
posed by Fairfax Circuit Judge
Paul Brown on James L. Sweeny.
A, of the 500 block of Thirteenth
street NV. Sweeny and Fred E.
Fillingame, 26. of Route 2, Fair
fax, were indicted on charges Of
stealing two gas heaters.
Sweeny earlier pleaded guilty to
the theft charge. Fillingame plead
ed not guilty. and his trial was set
for yesterday. The charge against
Fillingame was dropped, however,
after Sweeny refused to testify.
Sentencing of Sweeny on the theft
charge was postponed while he
serves the contempt term.
Evening star., 1952-09-18
Red Tape UntongIed
For Puzzled Driver
Seeking License

Joseph Ralph Hensley, colored.
l21. went to lot Of trouble to get
la drivers license.
Instead of going to the Traffic
Department in the Municipal
Building. he went to the License
Bureau. He asked the clerk for
"a license to park his car.
She gave him an application
and he filled it out. He was then
directed to the Police Department
to have his fingerprints taken.
When he had finished. he was
given a license for a parking lot
attendant.
Where do I go to park my
carp" he asked the clerk, who
had given him his badge and
license. Puzzled, the clerk ques-
toned him further and found out
that he wanted a driving license.
After a great deal of work un.
red tape, he got his doll
lar back and returned the license
and his badge. At last reports, he
was headed for Traffic Depart
ment to try for a drivers peAmit.