Evening star., 1950-04-26
Gambling News Curb
Would Aid, Not Hinder
.Bookies, Carroll Says
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news is the life blood of book
making operations.
Senator Tobey. Republican of
New Hampshire, asked Mr.. Car
roll fwhat he would do to stop
illegal gambling if he were a Sem
ator.
Would Legalize Bookies.
'Legalize the bookies," Mr.. Car
roll PROMPTLY replied. Give them
the right to conduct branch
Offices in the areas where the
tracks are operating"
Before Mr.. Carroll took the
stand. Senator Mcfarland said
he was called because of his in
innate knowledge of bookmaking
operations" The chairman en-
phasized that there were no
allegations that Mr.. Carroll was
violating any Federal laws.
Mr.. Carroll testified freely that
he accepted bets from customers
all over the country. Occasionally,
his attorney. Morris A. Shenker,
protected a committee question on
the ground that Mr.. Carroll was
in a very competitive business" 4"
When several members wanted
detailed answers on the number
of men Mr.. Carroll employs and
how he gets the information on
which he bases his odds, Senator
Mcfarland, at Mr.. Shenker's re-
quest, called the subcommittee
into executive session.
Denies Connection With Crime.
In a prepared statement at the
open session, Mr.. Carroll fatty de-
clared that there was no connec-
tion whatever between bookies and
crime and that by far, the ma
jority Of those in the betting busi-
ness consider they are not doing
anything morally wrong.
Speaking from his own 40 years
Of experience, he said the only
think a bookie needs are the re-
suits of the contest. Asked what
a bookie would do if newspapers
did not publish betting odds or
prices paid on races, Mr.. Carroll
said a bookie could set his own
odds.
Senator Tobey wanted to know
if most bookies keep records on
their income and outgo.
THE Bureau of Internal Rev.
enue insists on that" Mr.. Carroll
replied, with a smile.
Carroll Explains Business.
Asked to describe his business,
Mr.. Carroll explained.
I'm a pricemaker. I set my
own odds. Price-making is the
business of arriving at a figure
where an individual can wager
an event will happen and, for a
differential, can wager an event
won't happen"
The Senators were particularly
curious on Mr.. CAROLS prognos-
tications on the last presidential
election.
Did you use the Gallup poll?"
Senator Tobey asked.
THAT was part of it," Mr.. Car
roll replied.
"Will you use it next time?"
asked Senator Tobey.
NO" said Mr.. Carroll.
Mr.. Carroll. who is widely known
for his official winter book odds"
on the outcome Of the Kentucky
Derby. explained to the Senators
how he bets on the Derby.
Tells of Widespread Clientele.
II bet either way" he said.
"1Il bet two 2h-to-1 your horse
does not win the Derby, but I'll
bet 312-to-1 that he does win
the Derby"
In answer to questions from
Senator Capehart, Republican, of
Indiana, MIR. Carroll said some
customers wired bets to him from
Miami and Chicago and other cit
les. He acknowledged that is the
pending measure passed, these out
of-State customers would not be
able to wire their bets to him.
But. his attorney pointed out.
people in st. Louis, who make
their bets in Chicago, would have
to bet in st. Louis, which would
balance the score.
Senator Mcfarland asked him
If he had any knowledge as to
whether a crime syndicate is in
existence.
mo, have not" the witness
replied positively.
Mr.. Carroll also said that he
knows of no wire news service
that controls or is engaged in the
bookmaking business.
Meanwhile, the subcommittee
received offers from Russell Bro
ply of Los Angeles and the
Yonkers Daily Times of New York
to appear without subpoena.
Police Capt. Lynn White of the
Los Angeles Police Department
last week described Brophy as a
front man" for a service in Los
Angeles that supplies not only
racing information but bond and
lawyers for arrested bookies.
NeWsweek Editor kttacke