Toledo union journal. [volume] (Toledo, Ohio) 1942-current, 1950-05-19

A-What do you mean by
that? You're trying to trip me
up here, and -
Ono, am not trying to trip
you up
A - there might be some
other expenses they paid which
wouldn't be in this particular
Classification. The only thing
shown is what we run in that
fund no matter whatever else
happened.
Q-Where would any other
expenditures be shown?
a A-Well, for example, Hole
/ Sinski, he's up there and he's
paid out of the general fund,
but it won't show on that ac-
count.
Q-Are there other employees
who spend their time in those
activities and whose compensa-
ton is paid out of general funds
but which would not be reflected
in the Farm deficit?
A-Oh yes.
Q-Could you give us the
names of those employees?
A-WelI, here the thing that
makes it tough for me to answer
that question - it's because they
work back and forth between the
Farms and the Local. / know
lots of these guys, some days
they work at the Camp and other
days they work at the Farms
and oh, hell, / don't know.
Q-Would you say, Mr.. Gray,
that no accurate segregation OF
expenditures is possible in the op-
Grafton of the Farms?
A-Oh, it's possible, if they
want to do it that way. Any
thing is possible.
Q-But it is not being done
that way, is that correct?
Alt isn't being done, that's
right.
Q-Would you say the $4,000
red figure to which you have
testified, then, is not an accur-
ate figure?
.A-Well, it depends on what
you want to term it. I'm think
ing about the book figure that
that account shows no matter
what else happens.
" Q-Would you say that that
~ deficit represents the entire def
icit for operating the farms?
A--Well, that's a funny ques-
tion. They might call the other
slips a donation. We paid them.
so well, it's tricky thing to
answer.
Q-Now, I think you have tes-
titled that Mr.. Gosser was the
boss of the Farm operations, is
that correct, Mr.. Gray?
A-There's no doubt in my
mind about it. There might be
in other peoples.
Q-Do you recall, Mr.. Gray
how much money was spent
modernizing and rebuilding the
Local IL Summer Camp during
the year 1947?
A-No. / don't know that
CAgain / say there's lot of items
about which / don't know.
never ran a total on them my
self.
Q-But you do say, Mr.. Gray
that Mr.. Gosser was boss of the
Summer Camp?
A-That would be right. Yes
Ole issues the orders con-
cerning its operation?
Ayes. He operates it.
Q-Now did Mr.. Gosser, Mr.
Gray, ever issue any orders con-
cerning purchases for the Sum-
mer Camp and for the Farms?
A-Well, as a rule and to the
best of my recollection / would
say the bulk of them.
Q-Would you say, Mr.. Gray
that Mr.. Gosser issued the orders
on where the purchases for the
fSummer Camp and the Farms
4. lwere to be made?
A-That would be funny
one - mean, to answer that -
knowing some of the people
that he had. l don't - i don't
know just how to answer that
one. All could go by was by
insinuatiOns and so forth.
MOTE: All Gray kno1Us
about Gosser and the farm
and camp operations, he
testifies, is "by insinuations
and forth" That's good
enough for the Blade, houD-
euer, and plenty good
enough for the seventeen
revolterS, aoho published q
statement IN the Blade en-
ing this testimony, and de-
- cIaring that 1t bears out
aUhat they had knolon for
a long tim e. We haze
knolUn for a long time,
too, that this iohoIe case
is built SD q insinuations
and so FORTH" tooD
Odd Mr.. Gosser ever issue
any order reserving the approx
al of purchases for the Summer
Camp and the Farms to himself?