The Daily Alaska empire., 1948-09-22
|NLRB HEARING
 LOCAL DISPUTE ||5 UNDERWAY
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of accounts receivable and any contracts" Hawkins said.
 To Longshore demands to do loading, Hawkins said his reply was We are negotiating with the IVA and do not want to antago- nize the IVA"
 Evident in the questioning was the attempt of Paul and Roden to establish that it had been past practice" of the Juneau Lumber Mill to employ longshoremen for loading, and that the Juneau Spruce had also, prior to it's con- tract of November 3. with the IVA, employed Local l6 men.
 Hawkins frequently said in reply to questioning that when long shoremen were employed for GUS toner, the Juneau Spruce was act ing as a customers agent: that when they were paid by the Ju- neau Spruce, the Mill was acting as a steyedoring company.
 Examiner Boyd questioned MT Hawkins, as to. why loading was not specifically mentioned in the IVA contract of November 3.
 Card, On Stand
 This was taken up by Eugene H. Card, next on the witness stand and labor relations advisor of the Goes Bay Lumber Company who was active in the labor nego- tiations resulting in the IVA con tract of November with the Ju- neau Spruce
 During late October ana early November of 1947, when the con- tract between Juneau Spruce was under discussion, Mir Card said i that he took up the matter oi loading by regular employees witt Glenn Kirkham, Tim O'Day anc Dan Livie, IVA officers, wishing to straighten out the question as to whether or not they would con slider it part of their work.
 In reply to the question wher put to the IVA International. tht answer as reported by O'Day te Card was that the IVA do al of the work of the plant including ] the loading of barges."
 The matter of loading was not l specifically mentioned in the con- tract, MT. Card said, for the same l reason that other jobs were not specifically mentioned, it was un- 1 derstood by him and by the union | members; it was an established practice of sawmills on the coasl to have loading of barges by em- ployees; the contract included all operations essential to operation o1 mill, and the loading of barget was among them.
 The lumber company labor re- lations man was still on the wit i ness stand when. time was called by Examiner Boyd after 6 D. m and it was. indicated that he would resume his testimony We'd nesday morning.
 TOday's Session | Following MT. Card on the wit ness stand this morning, was Rich- ard Stamm, assistant manager of the Juneau Spruce Corporation who confirmed the testimony of MT. Hawkins pertaining to the hir-
 ng of longshoremen.
 "Longshoremen were never hired by the mill but by the small boat owners, or cannery boats or, when- ever loading commercial steamers, by the steamship company" Stamm said.
 Recess followed the introduction rom Examiner Boyd's files of a contract dated May 1, 1942, between the Juneau Lumber Mills and the Sawmill and Timber Workers Un- ion predecessors of the IWA) which was made a part of the rec ord.
 Stamm, under examination by Banfield, as to the administration of the IVA contract of Nov. 3, 1947, said that it covered all employees who were employed on the plant side; that all employees were re- luired to join the IVA within Is days of employment.
 Banfield: Under collective bar