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Evening star., 1948-03-16
Braves Make VoiseIIe Slab Star
After Drob Career With Giants

justified seemed to take everything
out of me-" Voiselle said. Il just
couldn't seem to put my heart into
my pitching after that. The money
later was returned to me, but the
damage had been done. 7 just
couldn't pitch winning ball for OFT
after that.
"I went from bad to worse and
what's more didn't seem to care. I
allowed myself to get hog fat. 1t
was not until I was traded to the
Braves that l began to worry about
my condition. I took a long time
getting started for the Braves, losing
seven of my first nine starts. But I
finished strong, racking up six
straight victories to wind up with
eight winds and seven losses for
Boston"
Voiselle underwent two operations
last fall, one for varicose veins, the
other for a torn cartilage in his
right knee.
Evening star., 1948-03-16
BY the Associated Press

BRADENTON, Fla, Mar. 16.-Bill
Voiselle, currently rated as the No
3 hurler on Boston's strong pitching
staff, said today the best break he
ever got in baseball was when he
was traded by the New York Giants
to the Braves.
Il always wanted to play for Billy
Southworth Declared the heavy
set curve baller from Ninety-Slx
S. C. I'D give anything if 1 could
have started my big league career
under him. I'd have been a much
better pitcher than I am today"
The big righthhander. who broke
into the major leagues in sensa-
tional style by winning 81 games in
his first full season, looked back on
his four-year stay with the Giants
with bitterness. He blamed his en-
suing decline to a rift he had with
New York Manager Mel OFT.
The rift resulted from $500 fine
levied on him by OFT for disobeying
orders and failing to waste pitch
after working count of two
strikes and no balls on Johnny HopI
of the St. Louis Cardinals two years
ago Hopp slashed the pitch for q
triple and beat the Giants in ar
important game.
THAT fine, which I felt was un.
Evening star., 1948-03-16
$500 Seots, $40 Top,
For Gruziuno Fiqht

Uline Arena will be set up to
accommodate 5000 fans for the
Rocky Graziano-George Sonny"
Horne fight April S, Promoter
Goldie Ahearn announced to-
day.
Top price will be $40 for a
ringside seat, with other reserved
seats selling for Sc. General ad-
mission tickets will be SO, but
will not be placed on sale until
6 pm. the day of the fight.
Evening star., 1948-03-16
Gov. Green Asks Ban
On Illinois Fights
Pending Cleanup
BY the Associated Press

SPRINGFIELD, Ill, Mar. 10
Gov. Dwight H. Green today urged
the Illinois Athletic Commission tc
suspend all boxing contests in nli-
nois until April 7 pending adoption
of Certain remedial and precau.
tionary measures.
A spokesman at the Governors
office said the proposed suspension
would apply to both professional anc
amateur matches.
The Governor made his suggestion
because OF the death of Sam Barou-
di, light heavyweight, who died after
a knockout by Ezzard Charles in a
February 20 fight in Chicago.
April is the date set for a benefit
bout between Charles and Elmer
Ray to aid Baroudi's family.
At Chicago, Chairman Sheldon
Clark of the athletic commission
said his group was familiar" with
the Governors suspension request
and "in complete accord"
Clark said the commission would
meet Thursday to act formally on
Gov. Green's suggestion.
Most professional boxing in Illi-
nois is confined to Chicago, with a
few occasional bouts at Peoria and
Springfield. Amateur boxing, such
as Golden Gloves events, is con-
trolled by the State AAU.
Clark said the commission had
studied "for the past four or five
months" methods of tightening up
the State boxing code, which came
under whitening fire from news
papers after Baroudis death.
The commission chairman said his
group would try to establish meth
DDS of obtaining accurate fighting
records of visiting boxers from other
States and would investigate the
possibility Of employing clinical
machine which records brain
damage.
Evening star., 1948-03-16
Worshom, Whitney
Golf Teammates
BY the Associated Press

AIKEN, S. c., Mar. 16.-Na-
tional Open Champion Lew Wor-
sham and John Hay Whitney
were to team up today in the
fourth renewal of the Palmetto
Golf Clubs pro-amateur event.
Most of the amateurs are better
known in polo and racing circles.
While the amount of cash in
volved for the pros is not known,
'it is reported the Calcutta pool
may reach six figures.
Ben Hogan. resting from q
back ailment, and Jimmy Dema-
ret, who came early to get ac-
quainted with the sporty private
Palmetto course, have been here
a week. For all the pros it will
be a tune-up for the three tour
naments winding up the winter
circuit. The Greensboro, N. c.,
Open starts Friday, the Char
lotte, N. c., Open, a week from
Thursday, and then comes the
Augusta Masters,
Evening star., 1948-03-16
0osterbaan Succeeds
|CrisIer as Head Grid
Coach at Michigan
By the Assoeiussd Press

ANN ARBoR, Mich, Mar. le-H,
o. (Fritz) Crisler, who guided Mich.
igan to the apex OF football glory,
today ended his coaching career.
Even as he announced his retire.
ment from the football bench, the
4szyear-old mentor named as his
immediate successor Benny G.
Oosterbaan, his backfield assistant.
Crisler will remain the university's
athletic director.
Crisler startled the sports world
with his announcement short
ly before midnight, attributing his
decision to the exacting demands"
fof his POSITION as head of the de.
partment Of physical education,
athletic director and head football
coach.
The Michigan coach discounted
the suddenness of the announce
ment by saying he had been consid-
ering the move "for some time"
His withdrawal as head coach
and the appointment of Ooster-
baan was discussed and approved,
he said, by the Michigan Athletic
Board in control.
Retires as Champion"
The shrewd and canny chief
stepped down in the year Of his
greatest triumph. His 1947 squad
rolled over nine opponents as no
Michigan club had been able to do
since the point-a minute combine
Of the early 1900's.
After an undefeated season, his
third in II years of major collegiate
coaching, Crisler took his power
house out West and inflicted one Of
the most stunning defeats in Rose
Bowl history on hapless University
of Southern California squad. The
49-to-0 score duplicated Michigan's
1902 venture against Stanford that
originated the famous bowl series.
Reaction in the Western Confer
ence to Crisler's decision was sum-
med up by Ray Eliot, whose Illinois
squad made one of the best show
ings against the 1947 Wolverines, .
14-to-7 loss:
"I can't believe it. We viii all
miss Fritz-a great coach. But
Benny will also make a flne one.
Never had any idea Fritz was going
to quit"
Oosterbaan, At, described the Cris-
ler decision as "a wonderful oppor-
tunity for me-"
"I will try to carry on In the great
tradition Fritz has established" he
added.
Oosterbaan an ALI America.
Oosterbaan, accorded All-America
honors for his play at Michigan in
1925 and 1927, was appointed head
freshman coach at Michigan after
his graduation in 1927. After two
Evening star., 1948-03-16

years as head Of the freshman
squad, he took over as end coach, a
job he held until Crisler appointed
him backf1eld coach in 1916.
Crisler, a native Of Earlville, Ill.
took All-Conference honors as an
emo and widespread acclaim as an
All-America candidate at the Uni
versity of Chicago.
After graduation in 1922. he began
an eight-year stint as assistant to
his famous coach. Then Crisler
stepped out on his own, as athletic
director and head coach at the Uni
versity of Minnesota. After 10
won, 7 lost two-year stay, Fritz
moved into the head coaching job
at Princeton. There he developed
two undefeated squads in three
years, bringing home IS victories. Q
losses and a tie, as we'll as an ever
increasing coaching reputation.
In 1888, he began his regime al
Michigan-a reign he climaxed %
brilliantly last season.
Evening star., 1948-03-16
Two LoyoIo Bosketers
On A. U. AII-Foes Team

Loyola of Baltimore, Mason-DiX-
on Conference basket ball cham
pion, has placed two players on
the American University all-oppo-
nentS team.
One, of course, is Forward jim
lacy, hottest player in the league
this year. The other is Guard Mike
Zedalis. Others on the first team
are: Harry Donovan of Mullen
berg, forward: Pete Clark of Mount
St. Mary's. center, and Jim jane
son of c. c. N. Y, guard.
Second team is: Febazzi of Sien-
ma, Simon of Penn State, MCGEE of
Muhlenberg, Sebiski of Western
Maryland and Luchuk of Connecti-
cut.
Evening star., 1948-03-16
ST. Louis P|aysN Y. U.
For NIT Title After
Upset Of W. Kentucky
BY the Associated Press

NEW YORK, Mar. 16.-The st
Louis Billikens, team of tremen-
dous, almost professional poise, and
New York University, rich in fire
and spirit, will meet tomorrow
night for the championship in the
National Invitation Basket Ball
Tournament.
A berth in the Olympic tryouts is
the added prize in this title match,
which rings down the curtain on
one major post-season event in
Madison Square Garden Just in
time for opening of another. The
Eastern NCAA eliminations begin
Thursday.
Fourth-seeded st. Louis crossed
up the tourney officials by expelling
No. ranked Western Kentucky last
night, 60-53, in a hard driving
game. N. Y. u, playing without the
services of star guard Don Forman
outscrapped De Paul of Chicago
72-39.
N. Y. U. second in the seedlings
gave 18,478 garden customers a
rousing' demonstration O: get-up-
and-go in whipping DePaul, but
there Is question they have enough
of 1t to cool rangy Ed Macauley and
his Billiken mates.
st. Louis is stout favorite.
Macauley Stops Western Ky.
Macauley, the All-America 6-foot-
8 wheelhorse of the Billiken attack
scored 10 points to help dismiss
Western Kentucky and continued in
his usual magnificent role as a
playmaker.
The Kentuckians, tough and we'll
seasoned, led through the early
stages of the game-16-8 after 10
minutes-but st. Louis, seemingly
Unmarried, adjusted itself enough to
gain a 25-25 draw at half time.
Then the Billikens grew progress
sively stronger while Western Ken
lucky, which lost Center Oran Nc
Kinney shortly after the start of the
last half, began hunting for new
gear.
At that, the issue was not decided
until the last minutes, when st.
Louis spurted to pull ahead, Stat
Sub Louis Lehman was spearhead
In this late drive, scoring 10 of his
l3 points in the final half.
Don Ray was Western Kentucky's
top point with Is, followed by
Odie Spears, who registered 10.
The individual sensation of the
evenings double-header. however,
was Ray Lumpp, N. Y. US crack
hookshot artist. Lumpp hit the nets
for 20 points, including II field goals.
N. Y. U. Tied Only Twice.
He and John Derderian, a defen-
sive stalWart, broke the backs of the
De Paul team that twice pulled level
with the Violets at 17-17 and at At
At, could never could go ahead after
the first minute of play.
Most of the time the Chicago
cagers were scrambling from five to
"a dozen points behind. Ed Mikan
scored 20 for De Paul and ran his
streak of successful free throws in
the tournament to 16 before miss
ing the 18th.
Evening star., 1948-03-16
Around the Grapefruit Circuit
Cards Diering Develops Punch;
Bosox Check on Harris Arm

he'll get plenty of time to warm up
we'll before he starts to throw, and
should do better"
HOLLYWOOD, Calif.-The New
York Giants and the Pittsburgh
Pirates, whose 1947 meetings were
high-lighted by home runs, hook up
for the first time this season today.
So far in 10 games, the Giants
have banged 10 homers while the
Pirates have whacked four in six.
Neither Johnny Mize of the Giants
or Ralph Kiner of the Pirates, who
tied for the home-run leadership
last year, has socked a homer.
CIUDAD TRUJILLo, Domini-
can Republic-Two rookie hurl-
ers, John Hall and Chris Van
Cuyk, are impressing Brooklyn
Dodger Manager Leo Durocher.
Hall won 18 games for Mobile OF
the Southern Association last
year while Van Cuyk, a brother
of Pitcher Johnny Van Cuyk.
also with the Dodgers, posted a
25-2 mark for Cambridge of the
Eastern Shore League.
FULLERTON, Calif.-Cliff Cham
bers, who had 24-9 record for Los
Angeles last year, Is pleasing
Manager Charley Grimm of the
Cubs with the development of a
curve ball.
Last year when we looked at
him." recalled Grimm, che had
notwithstanding but curve.
When he couldn't come up with the
twister we had to send him out"
ST. PETERSBURG, Fla.-vet-
eran Spud Chandler is scheduled
for his initial exhibition appear
ance of the spring today as the
New York Yankees engage the
Cardinals for the third time.
Chandler is the only regular
pitcher who hasn't played
game. Allie Reynolds and Joe
Page will follow Chandler on the
hill.
STOCKTON, Calf. - Southpaw
Gene Bearden ranks high in Cleve-
land Manager Lou Boudreau's plans
for the Indians mound staff after
his impressive performance against
the Oakland Oaks last night. Bear
den, one of the four southpaws on
the roster, handcuffed the Oaks
with one infield hit and famed
seven in five innings in the Tribe S
90 win. The two teams meet here
today.
HOLLYWOOD, Calf Rookie Sec
ond Baseman Monty Basgall got
himself in pretty solidly with Pirate
buddies in a game against the White
Sox yesterday. He handled II
chances without a mishap, stole two
bases and got two hits, including a
winning single in the 18th
inning.
Evening star., 1948-03-16
Spring Football Sinking Outrage '-Dobson

tackled footballs intrusion on
spring sports.
Football is not so difficult" he
said, that it cannot be taught in
four months. Football is no
longer a sport. It's a huge pag-
cant promoted by overzealous
alumni who care nothing about,
the boys graduating, which they
rarely do"
Dobson declared that the rea-
son for spring football is that
coaches are so scared of their
jobs that they work in the spring
on the football team they will
have in September.
Football has become a dicta-
torship." Dobson added. Alumni
don't care whether a boys knows
Evening star., 1948-03-16

science from algebra. There is no
concern for studying college sub
jects useful in later life"
The usually soft spoken athletic
director ridiculed the men who
recently attended the National
Collegiate Athletic Association
convention. where they made
rules to curb professionalism and
then returned to their campuses
to plot means of circumventing
their own regulations.
Dobson called professional ath-
letics the only completely honest
sports. He said that professionals
openly admit receiving pay.
Compared with amateurs the
integrity of the pros Is beyond
reproach," he said.
Evening star., 1948-03-16
BY the Associated Press

NORFOLK, Va, Mar. 16.-In
bliStering attack on modern col
lege football, Frank Dobson, ath-
letic director at the Newport
News Apprentice School and a
national figure in collegiate ath-
letics for more than 40 years,
labels spring grid drills "a stink
ing outrage"
Speaking last night before the
Norfolk Sports Club, Dobson,
who coached at the University
of Georgia, Georgia Tech. Glenn
son, Richmond and Maryland
before coming to the apprentice
school in 194l, vigorously at
Evening star., 1948-03-16
Little Boxers Bouts
Top Card Of 70 for
AAU Show Tonight
BY the Associated Press

Forty eager young ringmen start
the stretch drive toward titular
honors tonight at Turner's Arena,
where the District of Columbia
AAU will present 20 quarter and
seminal bouts in the 1948 anna
teur championship tournament.
Eleven quarterfnal and nine semi
final matches are on the card,
which opens at 8:15.
The mites take the spotlight in
the senior division semifinals with
Dave Primrose facing Joe Thomp-
son in the 112-pound class and Sam
Urda and Benny Padgett colliding
An the 118-pound sector. Primrose,
representing Police Boys Club
No. 2,.hasn't thrown a punch yet
IN the tournament as he got by
Apollo Clubs Gene Smith on for
felt. He was a Golden Gloves final
ist. Thompson of Randall A. c..
also is untried, having reached the
semiwindup on bye.
The bulk of tonight's action. will
come in the senior 126-pound quar-
terminals This sector will unveil
such lads as Eddie Funk, Barney
House, a former titlist; Merrick
Clubs Dick Jiminey, present Golden
Gloves novice champ; Eddie Wood
son, PBC No. 2, a Gloves finalist,
and Dick Rawlett of st. Mary's, who
was picked as the outstanding
novice of the 1947 AAU tourney.
1875 pounds-Ray Courtney Olympic A
c. ys. Willie Dayis (Apollo A. g..
:, 100 pounds-Fred McNew ,Fort Nc.
Novice Glass Semifinals
club No vs. Joe 6e'ss eoins F0HfS RSys
Guard; Jim Casey (Trinidad} VS. Floyd
liz pounds-Bunky Frazier tMerrick)
l56 poui1ds1Lincoln Pearson lHOward
ps HEsnE d'vfaf5 6aiey olBE%Rs BaIns
NJ: PoandsIA5 yoEps ,olymRts} @ lR; vs.; vs.
1PBc No y VS.. Josh Brooks (Apoilol.
Senior Class QuarterfinaIs.
1913 pounds--Eddie. Woodson tPBC No,
2 vs. Geo5se slmms {Twelfth street pYs Yl
Naval Receiving. Station Pat Thomas
sApollo) vs.. Eddie Funk Barney; Sam
Kelsey liberty VS., Dick Rawlett (st.
1856 pounds-Harry Dillender (NRsl, VS..
Bill Nichols (NG) Garfield Hawkins
Youth Civilian Corps) VS., jim Hawkins
(Twelfth street "; Marvin Tenhof (NRS)
VS.. Henry johnson (PBC No. p:
100 pounds-Holly Mlmms (Howard) VS..
Jim Powell tMerrick)
IT'S pounds-Ed Neyerson Howard) VS..
Carl PROMO Fort McNairl.
Senior Class Semifnals.
112 pounds-DaVe Primrose tPBC No.
= vs., Joe Thompson (RandalN.
lis pounds-Sam Urda Shamrock VS..
Benny Padeett Olympic.
Evening star., 1948-03-16
Exhibition Baseball
BY the Associoted Press

Today's Games
New York IN. vs.. Pittsburgh M at
washington "a VS.. Cincinnati N)
at Tampa, Fla.
Boston M vs. Detroit (A.) at Lake
land. Fla.
St Louis IN VS.. New York (A) at
st. Petersburg, Fla.
Chicago ,(N.) VS.. Los Angeles (P. C. L.
at Fullerton. Calf.
Philadelphia M VS.. Boston A) at
Sarasota, Fla.
chlcaso "a VS., st. Louis "a at San
cleveland "a vs.. Oakland p. C. L.
at Stockton. Calf.
Yesterdays Results.
Boston tN.), 4; Cincinnati (Nl, 3.
Chicago tN.), s; New York CN.). 6.
Pitts6urgh N), 8; Chicago tAJ,
St. Louis (N), 4; Detroit (A.), O.
New York "a, 10; Philadelphia tN), 5.
Cleveland (A), 9; Oakland (P. c. L.. 0.
st. Louis tA.) VS.. Portland tP. c. L.,
POSTPONED, wet grounds
Brooklyn tN) VS.. Montreal Il. L.,
pQStnnned
Evening star., 1948-03-16
BY the Associated Press

ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. Mar. 16.-
Terry Moore, veteran center fielder
of the ST. Louis Cardinals, may be
able to rest more often this season
now that his understudy, Chuck
Diering, is showing signs of becom-
ing hitter.
Diering, who can run and throw
with the best of them, had trouble
hitting National League pitching last
season, his first in the majors.
Yesterday, Diering starred in the
Cards 40 conquest of the Detroit
Tigers. Diering started three run
rally with triple and in addition
banged out two singles.
Murray Dickson and Rookie Clar-
ence Beers blanked the Tigers or
six hits. Dickson was especially i'm
pressive, yielding but one single in
five innings.
LAKELAND, Fla.-Rookie Pitch
ers Bob Hogue, AL Epperly and
Glenn Elliott of the Boston Braves
are slated to face the Tigers here
today.
Hogue, a big Highlander who
won 16 and lost 8 last season with
Dallas. has impressed Manager
Billy Southworth. Epperly. a
former Chicago Cub, and Elliott
won IA games apiece for Milwaukee
In 1947.
SARASOTA, Fla.-Some light
may be shed today on the Bos-
ton Red Sox's pitching strength
when Hurler Mickey Harris
victim of bad arm last year
takes the mound against the
Philadelphia Phillies. Harris
slumped to 5-4 mark in 1947
after a 17-9 record in 1916. He
has been pitching every day to
test his ailing left arm and re-
ports have encouraged Manager
Joe Mccarthy.
WEST PALM BEACH, Fla.-The
Philadelphia Athletics roster was
complete today with the exception
of Ferris Fain, recovering from q
knee injury. Catcher Mike Guerra
arrived from Cuba yesterday.
LAKELAND, Fla.-Art Houtte-
man, promising young Tiger pitcher
who was raped for II hits in his
first six innings of exhibition pitch
ing, drew the starting assignment
today against the Braves. Hes been
pitching in hard luck so far" Man.
ager Steve O'Neill said. This time
Evening star., 1948-03-16

Ruth is touring tine camps in his capacity as
adviser for the American Legion baseball program,
but he isn't hurting the major league teams when
he appears at the various parks The crowds
always capacity! Although Ruth does nothing
except acknowledge laundering ovations from
box. He remains the greatest name in the game
Over his breakfast eggs the Babe was remi
niscing, celebrating on some of the incidents in
his life story, now running in serial form in
national magazine The subject of his contract
squabbles with the late Col Jacob Rupert
owner of the Yankees, was brought up.
II loved the old colonel" said Babe in a low
husky voice. II enjoyed dickering with him. He'd
Evening star., 1948-03-16
Modor, Former Colt End,
Made Harvard Grid Aide
By the Associated Press

y TTTS Tts5oeFu11u Tess
CAMBRIDGE, Mass, Mar. 49,
Elmar Madar, all-America end at
Michigan in 1916, has been ap-
pointed end coach at Harvard. Ar
thur Valpey, new Harvard football
mentor who met his squad for the
first time yesterday, announced the
appointment.
Madar played with the Baltimore
Colts of the All-America Confer
ence last fall.
Evening star., 1948-03-16
Detroit Buys Toledo Club

DETROIT, Mar. 16 (P.-The De-
troit baseball company today an
nounced purchase of the Toledo
Mudhens in the American Associa-
ton, giving the Tigers three triple-A
clubs in their farm systems. De-
troit will not operate the Mudhens,
however, until 1949. In the same
trible-A club bracket are Seattle
and Buffalo.
Evening star., 1948-03-16
HoIe-in One for Frqnk

First hole-in-one at the Fairfax
golf course this year was scored by
Edwin Frank. He aced the 142-yard
seventh hole, using a seven iron
Witnesses were Buck Price, w. E.
King and 3. Fountain.
Evening star., 1948-03-16
Enan9 Saf Spefts Mats Wooen Epitomzes Good Field No t
HE'S DIFFERENT-Cross.

HE'S DIFFE r ENT-Cross-
handed batters in baseball are
unusual, but Cuban Ray Gar
cia, rookie Nat pitcher. is a
rarity even among these. A
right-side hitter, Garcia, in
taking his stance, holds the
club in orthodox manner, with
right hand on top, but before
the ball reaches the plate he
switches to the grip you see
here (arrow). Other picture
shows Ray at finish of his
pitching delivery. Currently
Garcia Is back In Cuba to con-
suit his dentist.-star Staff
Photos by John Mueller.
Evening star., 1948-03-16
Win, Lose, or Draw
The Babe Is Still the Champ
BY FRANCIS {. STANN
Siar stoff Correspondent

TAMPA, Fla, Mar. 16.-Babe Ruth sick but he
wasn't looking acting ill had it when he walked
into hotel dining
mahogany appetite which
Evening star., 1948-03-16
All His Contract Photos Were Leqit

Thinking along these lines, another
Babe nobody posed dramatically when
just
I'll tell something, volunteered Babe Something
explain
posed for contractsignng picture without original
contract
Il didn't sign the Declaration
happened be laying the
blank paper posed signed
every time"
When the Babe the
Field st. Peeburg-he did quietly,
seconds before he recognized
Drowned avalanche autograph
engulfed
A Dixie of Madison Square Gardens Balogh
clutchng microphone the field coded
does wish to be bothered by pieces
autograph books he public
you baseball sign qualified
obviously speaking without portfolio Maybe he
sell basebal
physically signing anything
and tenderedscraps
champ
Evening star., 1948-03-16
He Thought Rupert WouId've Paid S100, 900

What did ask the first signed for 8oOoO?" asked
breakfast partner.
thousand dollars" replied Ruth. settled
eighty thousand"
Were you serious hundred thousand?"
Yes answered the Babe but enough I'd have
thousand foughtlong Rupert
would have had money didn't
to I spent it pretty fast.
"One year." he continued
vaudeville spent
thousand and another 10 grand through lot
money in those days"
In the e2os and early 193O sports complete unless
1t annual picture of Ruth signing his contract with Col
Rupert When Ruth the association
photographers dream he knew would
the Since the with other athletes
has basphemed
intelligence
Evening star., 1948-03-16

telephone that Dutch he lost
iss your figure now?'
Same the last time talked, Colonel I'd
we'll he'd ub Office talk more
I'd those visits Colonel Rupert
crack jo>es. When he did that knew had him"