Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1946-03-01
Kogod Repeats
ChargeGi||Li Lied
Causes Uproar
Defense Counsel
AssuiIs Member
OfWelfure Boord


Fred S. Kogod, member of tn,
Board of Public Welfare. TODAY
stuck to his statement that Howard
B. Gill, suspended superintendent
of penal institutions, lied" to mem.
bers, of the Welfare Board, ane
threw hearing on the removal Of
Mr.. Gill into an uproar.
The witness took tongue flashing
from Mr.. ellis attorney, John ]
Wilson, before Walter M. Bastian
chairman of the inquiry board, re.
cessed the hearing until 30 pm.
Mr.. Kogod was recalled to The
stand by the defense attorney te
verify the remark he made Wednes.
day. Neither the attorneys MOI
members of the Board of Inquiry
heard Mr.. Kogod make the accuse
ton during an argument between
Mr.. Wilson and Assistant Corpora.
ton Counsel Chester H. Gray. Mr.
Wilson threatened yesterday to de.
mand removal of Mr.. Kogod as q
member OF the Board of Public
Welfare unless he retracts or sub
Stimulates the statement.
Loose Talk Assailed.
This man talks so loosely before
this board that he even charges my
client with lying" Mr.. Wilson de.
clared. yet neither the Welfare
Board, the Commissioners nor the
corporation counsel thought enough
OF his accusations to make them a
charge in this case"
Mr.. Kogod testified he first made
the accusation at meeting of the
Welfare Boards Institutions Com
mittee. The Welfare Board dis
cussed it after the Institutions Com
mlttee had recommended suspension
OF Mr.. Gill as penal superintendent
he said. He added that he thought
he also discussed the matter with
the assistant corporation counsel.
Gray Objection Upheld.
Mr., Gray objected heatedly tc
further questions designed to prove
that ne was present when the &C
cusatson OF lying was made. The
inquiry board sustained him.
Mr.. Wilson is trying to confuse
the entire ISSUE" Mr.. Kogod said.
The defense attorney established
that Mr.. Kogod accused Mr.. Gill OF
lying to members of the Welfare
Board at the conclusion of a state
ment explaining why the institu-
TONS committee did not charge
Mr.. Gill with disobeying its in
Structions, pending a meeting OF
an investigating committee ap-
pointed to report on the escape OF
five prisoners from the District Jail
The committee recommended his
suspension. The charge was in
corporated in 16 charges of in
efficiency and incompetency, filed
by the Welfare Board.
Mr.. Wilson, we didn't write down
everything that we talked about or
everything that we discussed" Mr..
kogod said Wednesday. I'VE tried
to abbreviate. We didn't try to
charge him. We didn't expect all
this rigamarole We could make
lot of charges. He lied to u.s."
Earlier, John liner, custodial Of
flcer at the Jail, complained after
an hours grilling that the defense
attorney was trying to put him on
the spot" He testified the penal
superintendent made a special point
of being present when an investi-
eating committee questioned four
prisoners about the escape of five
men from the Jail November "a.
DisObedience Charged.
One of the charges against Mr..
Gill is that he disobeyed the instruc-
lions OF the Institutions Committee
OF the Board of Public Welfare to
stay away from meetings of the
Investigating Committee he had ap-
pointed.
WAS Mr.. Gill present at the TAX
Ing of all the testimony of those
four Witnesses" asked Defense At
torney John j. Wilson. He was not
present at the taking of all the
testimony" Mr.. liner said.
Didn't you just testify that he
made point of being PRESENT.
the attorney shot.
You're trying to put me on the
spot" the witness shouted. "As ia,
as l recall, he was present"
Quotes Police Report.
Reading from the stenographic
report of the Metropolitan Police
Department, Mr.. Wilson pointed tt
statement that Mr.. Gill was moi
present when two of the witnesses
testified. He said he would establish
before completing his cross-exami.
nation whether or not Mr.. Gill was
present during the questioning oil
the other two prisoners.
I was giving you my recollection
I do not question the police report,
Mr.. liner commented.
Mr.. liner also was questioned
about a remark he made to Mr.. Gill
when Mr.. Gill returned to the jail
on December 8, two days after the
Welfare Board had suspended him
as superintendent.
rs it not true that when Mr.. Gill
greeted you, you replied: Don't
hello me. If I had you off District
property I would smash your head
imp" Mr.. Wilson asked.
Had Second Clash.
He called me yellow, and could
not say word because he was still
my superior. When I saw him De-
cember 8, told him.. If you made
those remarks off District property
I would smash your head in" Mr.
liner said.
The witness testified that he bears
no grudge against Mr.. Gill and that
he approved of good many of the
policies Mr.. Gill instigated in spite
of the fact that he believes Mr.. Gill
was responsible for lack of discipline
at the jail.
Says Punishment Dropped,
MI. liner testified yesterday con-
corning conduct of the prisoners
that there was no punishment
Discipline got worse and worse
during Mr.. ellis regime. The pena
superintendent was suspended BY
the Welfare Board December 6, fol