The Waterbury Democrat., 1945-11-17

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 Rear Admiral T. B. Inglis. chief of Naval intelligence, and Col. Bern ard Thielen of the Army General staff resumed testimony on the historical record of the Japanese attack.
 Committee Counsel William D. Mitchell said the committee had obtained copy of the Nov. 25, l94l, order directing shipping south of Hawaii. The order figured in Thurs days testimony.
 It went to the Pacific and Asiatic fleets, 14th Naval District (Hono- lulu and 18th Naval Districts (Manila), and directed all trans Pacific shipping through the Torres Straits. Commanders in chief the Pacific and Asiatic fleets were di- reoted to furnish the necessary escort.
 Sen. Homer Ferguson, R., Mich, questioned Inglish about the order today.
 o. When did you first see that order? A. I first saw that piece of paper about 9:30 this morning. Q. What did you see to give us in- formation yesterday? A. From the brief or script prepared by my re- search staff.
 Items Removed Inglis said he conferred with Nit chell three times and Assistant Counsel Gearhard Gesell three times. He said they suggested re- moval of controversial items.
 As an example, he said he re- moved a paragraph suggesting that the country as whole was not unified before Pearl Harbor. Ferg,l- son asked if he were trying to sug- gest responsibility" Inglis said, No"
 Ferfuson commented that he un- derstood President Truman made @ similar remark about the time the Army and Navy Pearl Harbor re- ports were issued.
 o. Did you think the people were to blame? A. Are you asking my opinion?
 On Appropriations
 o. Will you explain how that contributed to Pearl Harbor? A. Be- cause the armed forces were not as strong as they might have been had appropriations been larger.
 o. Do you know anything about the appropriations?
 A. I only know the Navy kept asking for more than it could get.
 o. Did you know that in many instances Congress put them upP A. Now that you mention 1t l do recall instances were Congress put appropriations up. , A..
 o. Then how do you blame the people for not getting the Army A. That was just my impression
 Inelis said other things taken out included an outline of Jap anese aggression in Manchuria' Italian in Ethiopia, and German m Austria and Saar-"showing the rise of Fascism."
 Did Not Discuss It
 Ferguson wanted to know why they were put in at all. Inglis replied that 1t was his own personal idea land soon saw 1t wasn't sound so took it out" Ferguson asked if he had dis cussed 1t with Admr. Ernest J. King. chief of Naval operations, or Secretary of Navy James For restal. Inglis said he hadn't.
 Why didn't you put in the part that was to provide for escortsP" Ferguson asked, referring to the routing message of Nov. 25.
 T think that was omitted py my staff because it might have been controversial Inglis answered. Tt might lead to controversy because of word necessary" Short Time Out
 Ferguson asked Mitchell when he got the ship routing exhibit, and Mitchell said he first saw 1t about 10 minutes ago"
 Ferguson asked whether ships in convoy were blacked out at night and Inglis again said he did not know.
 o. Did any ships leave the Pa cific coast after the 18th (of Nov. 194l) in conveys? A. My presenta- tion described two conveys.
 o. Where were they, A. The heavy cruiser Pensacola was west bound in Samoan area.
 o. When did she start on the convoy? A. Between two and seven days before Pearl Harbor.
 e. Any evidence of German submarines in the Pacific? A. know of no such evidence.
 o. As an intelligence officer, do you know of any reason for con- VOWS in the Pacific thenp A. was not an intelligence officer at that time.
 Defenses Under Attack
 The questioning shifted to de- lenses at Pearl Harbor before the attack.
 Inglis testified that anti-torpedo nets were installed about two miles from the ships. To the best Of his knowledge, he said in response to A question, there were no nets about the battleships at that time.
 Ferguson began to question Col. | Thielen at 10:38 a. m.
 T'hielen said he, like Inglis, was instructed to avoid controversial matters" He said he, too, conferred with Mitchell and Gesell on his re- port.
 Item Minor Ferguson asked what controversi- ial items were taken out on coun- sells advice. Thielen said they were "very minor items" He then was asked what he knew of how a flight of Japanese planes was picked up by radar the morning of the Pearl Harbor at tack.
 Thielen read from the testimony of Mai. Gen. Walter c. Short, Army commander in Hawaii at the time, before the Roberts commission which investigated the defeat early in 1942.
 Short said 1t normally was oper- ated for training purposes from to Il a. m. on week days.
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