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Detroit evening times. (Detroit, Mich) 1921-1958, 1943-11-08
Toledo Eleven Halls
ShaFlrOckS' Streak

After leading 1910 at the half,
Detroit Catholic Central High fell
before a powerful Toledo Cath
olic Central eleven yesterday at
Keyworth Stadium, 1913. as a
sloppy field failed TO check the
brilliant running games of both
teams.
The Shamrocks not only lost
their half-time lead. but saw the
end Of their 13-game winning
streak. Toledo also got revenge
for last years 33-6 beating at
the hands of the Detroit city
prep champs.
The ShamrockS started their
newest victory string al the start
Of the 1912 season after losing
10 St Theresa late in the 1871
campaign. They won eight
straight in 1912. including the
GOodfelloWs game triumph over
Hamtramck. and conquered five
opponents IN the current cam
paign.
out Of respect for the Toledo
teams fancy record in OHIO prep
competition this season. Detroit
entered The game as underdog.
But the ShamrOckS. with I'd Bur
CESS playing prominent role
stole the show IN the first two
periods. Burgess bucked over
Detroit evening times. (Detroit, Mich) 1921-1958, 1943-11-08

Pass Gives St. Mary
Parish Grid Crown
Times Photo

handily over its old rival, ST.
Philip. 26-0. for st. Pauls fourth
victory in five starts. Tom Ward
ran 20 yards and Tom Martin 10
for first half TALES, and later
Jim Sheridan galioped 30 yards
and Joe Belanger Is yards after a
pass interception for the other
teuchdowns.
Dick Hawkins of ST. Charles
was the individual scoring star
of the day as he accounted for
all three touchdownS in the de-
feat of st. Martin, 1910.
st. Frederick ran up four touch
downs in the fourth quarter to
whip its city rivals in Pontiac,
st. Michael, $50, and St. Mary's
Of Royal Oak bested St.-Alphon-
sus, TO.
St. Patrick of Wyandotte won
its first game of the season in
the third division by beating st.
Vincent, 10. Turk McGrath scor-
ing the touchdown in the first
period.
Detroit evening times. (Detroit, Mich) 1921-1958, 1943-11-08
Harris Is Pleased

Buffalo's JOY in having Harris
back appears 10 be shared by
Harris, according TO c. William
Duncan in Sporting News.
'1f 1 were going back to n
bush league 1 might feel IL was
too much of n Iet-dewR," Harris
is quoted by Duncan under a
Washington date line.
Frankly, feel have a
greater Incentive than I've
had for some years. 1 would
hate to think I had lost any en-
thusiasm for the game Mt any
time. was a manager in the
majors for 20 years. But now
i am going back 10 where L
started, prove my ability 10 get
into the majors once more. L
ann just a few years over the
birthday where they say life
begins and It's beginning all
over again for me-"
BY this time we presume
everybody knows that Harris
was fired by Bill Cox as man.
ager of the Pills and that the
method of the firing pleased
practically nobody at all.
Detroit evening times. (Detroit, Mich) 1921-1958, 1943-11-08

"Next TO n major league city
I'd rather be In Buffalo than
anywhere" Harris added.
Incidently. Harris owes his
first big league contract TO the
unusual circumstance of having
been secuted" as a basketball
player. according TO story
revived recently. And, his first
major league contract was with
the Tigers.
Here's the yarn;
IL happened in Harris home
town OF Pittston, Pa, in 1886,
when Hughie Jennings. then
manager of the Detroit Tigers,
was spending the winter there.
An outstanding cage performer.
Bucky was a member Of the
Pittston club Of the Pennsyl-
vania State League. Jennings
was so fascinated by Harris
basketball ability that he in
quined about the lad and learned
he was somewhat OF a baseball
star. too. So without ever sec
ing Bucky in a baseball uniform.
Jennings signed him.
Harris trained with the Tigers
that spring and was optioned TO
Muskegon, where he was sub
seqUently freed OF all Detroit
ties, much TO the chagrin Of
Bengal bosses later.
Thirteen years later. the boy
who couldn't make the grade as
a Tiger in 1916. was appointed
10 manage the Detroit club.
Detroit evening times. (Detroit, Mich) 1921-1958, 1943-11-08
They Like Bucky

Anyway. Buffalo is happy
over getting Harris, if we seem
a bit confusing.
"Bucky has always been popu-
lar with Buffalo fans" Stigl-
meir recalled. at was really In
Buffalo where Harris got his
start. you know"
While with Jack Zeller sum
ming himself in Fort Worth.
Tex, we have no available word
on the subject we are Of the
opinion that the Tigers will con-
tinue to have a working agree
ment with Stiglmeir's club.
lncidently. Suglmeir say
Buffalo is ripe for a return OF
big time pro football TO that city
and he expects the National
League TO have a club there
next fall. Charley Murray. vet
eran Buffalo sports promoter.
has made application for a
franchise.
Detroit evening times. (Detroit, Mich) 1921-1958, 1943-11-08
Runs 81 and IS Yards
But His Team Loses

MILWAUKEE. Nov. 8 QNS)-
Iowa's SeahawkS trounced the
Marquette Hilltoppers. as TO 10,
in a battle of touchdowns on a
muddy gridiron yesterday
Individual honors, however.
went to halfback Paul CopouluS
of Marquette. In the second quar-
ter he returned two kickoffs for
touchdown runs of 81 and SIS
yards within a space of five min
utes.
Detroit evening times. (Detroit, Mich) 1921-1958, 1943-11-08
Wakefield There

And. besides Suglmeir an
other celebrity from out Of town
in the stadium press box was
young fellow by the name Of
Dick Wakefield. now a naval
air cadet az Ohio Wesleyan,
who was in Detroit on a week
end pass.
How docs Richard like the
naVy7
Its oksy." Richard put the
stamp Of approval on MS new
Job.
Going Sinatra, are you 20
Richard was asked
'Bunkeroo," Richard said
The uumor had IL that after
the war Richard would take
singing lessons and then light
OF FOR Hollywood
Detroit evening times. (Detroit, Mich) 1921-1958, 1943-11-08
Only Couple
of Ef'S---!!!

You couldn't blame Tom Con-
nell. Lourdes High football coach,
for feeling a bit superior as St.
Mary's of Bedford won from St
Gregory yesterday in playof for
the first division west side title OF
the Catholic League.
Connell's Lourdes' eleven beat
both teams handily during the
regular season. But Lourdes was
out Of the running--it had lost TO
St. Theresa and Redeemer,
Detroit evening times. (Detroit, Mich) 1921-1958, 1943-11-08
AI|-Stdrs Lose
In Cleveland

CLEVELAND. Nov. S-Ohio's
All-Stars, a picked team from the
American Legion here, today held
a 20 verdict over the Michigan
AI-Stars after Sundays benefit
game.
The first half was scorelesS, but
after . minutes of the second
canto, Andy Raida beat Goalie
Kurt Brueckel The second score
came five minutes later when
John Lenard of Michigan acct
dentaiiy DETECTED the bali into
the net as he tried to save on
Spud Thomson's shot.
Detroit evening times. (Detroit, Mich) 1921-1958, 1943-11-08
Mrs. Adams Brother
Dies in Vancouver

Charles Trimble. brother Of Mrs.
Jack Adams, is dead in Vancouver,
B. C.. after a long illness, II was
reported at Olympia last night.
The Red Wing managers wife
had been with her brother for
more than a month. She Is TO
return 10 Detroit late this week,
Detroit evening times. (Detroit, Mich) 1921-1958, 1943-11-08
Clarence Adams Leads
Boys Town TO Victory
WASHINGTON. Nov. 8 INS

WASHINGTON. Nov. & (INS)
Father F1anagan's Boys Town.
Neb.. football team held II TO
6 victory today over Gonzaga
High School of Washington. u. c.
Clarence Adams. sensational
Boys Town halfback, starred for
the victors. Adams scored one
touchdown and batted down a
last minute Gonzaga pass in the
end zone TO halt a possible tie.
Detroit evening times. (Detroit, Mich) 1921-1958, 1943-11-08

st. Mary'S High Of BEDFORD, the
first division eleven that came up
from nowhere, today held the west
side championship of the Catholic
League after defeating st. Greg
DRY in a playoff yesterday, 10
ST. Mary'S now will meet the
east side winner for the divisional
title next Sunday at l.. of D.
Stadium. st. Anthony, the I'M
beaten east side favorite, was TO
have played st. Joseph last night
but a muddy gridiron forced a
poStponement.
Six other parish contests were
postponed for the same reason,
and league officials were to ar
range new dates today.
Two other sectional champion
ships were decided. however. st.
James clinched the second divi-
Sion'S west side crown by beat
ing st. Francis De Sales. TO, and
st. Francis Xavier. of Ecorse. won
its second straight third division
title by whipping Sacred Heart of
Dearborn, 10, for its fifth victory
in a row
Detroit evening times. (Detroit, Mich) 1921-1958, 1943-11-08
.CrisIer Awaits
Word WhetheA
.Hirsch Can Play
BY EDGAR HAYES

ANN. ARBOR, Nov. 8-Coach
Fritz Crisler gave his Michigan
players day off today.
The Wolverines came out OF the
Indiana game in good shape with
the exception of Elroy Hirsch, the
left halfback, who suffered a Sc
we're bruise of the right shoulder
in the first half of the Hoosier
game and spent the last two Pc
RODS on the bench.
Crisler is awaiting further re-
ports 10 learn whether Hirsch will
be available for Saturdays game
here with Wisconsin.
NUSSBAUMER READY
The Michigan coach plans no
changes in his lineup unless il
develops Hirsch can't play. If so.
his place will be filled by Bob
NuSSbaumer, who played most OK
the second half at left half.
Coach Harry Stuhldreher Of tha
Badgers can't be blamed If he's
puzzled when he walks on the
field for the game with the Wolv-
crimes.
On the Michigan bench await
ing the starting whistle will be
seven players from his last years
squad. When he sees Elroy
HirSch. Fred Negus, Walter
Dreyer. Jack Gallagher. Jack
Wink. Bob Hanzlik and Hank Oh
shanSki all lined up against him
he's bound TO wonder what chance
his team has.
Detroit evening times. (Detroit, Mich) 1921-1958, 1943-11-08
EBBIE, soRRELL DID 1T

Bruneteau, now in his ninth
season with the Red Wings, is
the first to pull the four-goal
trick twice, but Johnny Sorrell,
now the Indianapolis playing
coach. and Edible Goodfellow, for
mer Detroit coach, each accom-
plished the feat once.
Sorrell scored four against The
Americans in Detroit's first home
game, Nov. II, 1888, as Detroit
won, So Goodfellow scored four
against Toronto at Olympia in
Detroit's 10-1 victory Christmas
night. 1880. His victim was Benny
Grant, the present Leaf goalie,
who wasn't given too much sup
port by a team which included
Hap Day, new Toronto manager,
and Frank (King) Clancy.
Never however. were four
goals more welcome than in this
game with the veteran loaded
Bruins, still labeled after the
game by Manager Jack Adams OF
Detroit as "the team 10 beat" for
the National Hockey League
championship.
With Bert Gardiner, the most
experienced goalie in the league
kicking out the pucks. the Bruins
had tied Canadiens at Montreal
in their opener, whacked down
the scampering Maple Leafs. SD.
at Toronto Saturday night. They
came into Detroit with forward
line led by the masterful Bill
Cewley. with Herb Cain and Art
Jackson on the flanks. which had
been heralded as the league great
est offensive trio.
Detroit evening times. (Detroit, Mich) 1921-1958, 1943-11-08
SERVICE
HIGH SCHOOL
Wins 2 Straight Bouts

Juste Fontaine. 1S-year-old
boxer. has won nine straight bouts
since being taken over by Fritzie
Civic.
Detroit evening times. (Detroit, Mich) 1921-1958, 1943-11-08
LINE MATES ALSO SCORE

But Detroit matched that line
with its own Big Three of Bruno
teau. sgd Howe and Carl Lis
combe. a stickhandling. shooting
trio which topped Boston's best,
six goals TO two, as Howe and Lis
combe each added a goal to Mud s
effort. Herb Cain beat goalie
Jimmy Franks twice for Boston
and Flash Hollett. the leagues
Detroit evening times. (Detroit, Mich) 1921-1958, 1943-11-08
BE'xzHfelxH Scores II
GONIS for. 2d Time
Veteran Winq
Shows Way
Over Bruins
BY LEWIS II. WALTER

II was cold. gray and a little
drlzzly as plant protection officer
Modere Bruneteau. hunChed down
in his coat collar. punched in at
the Ford Administration Building,
$500 Schaefer road, early this
morning and reported TO his boss,
Jim Rooney, for another days
work.
Bruneteau today is just one Of
the countless thousands of Ford
employees but last night he was
another person altogether. He
was Capt. Mud Bruneteau Of the
Detroit Red Wings, world hockey
champions.
The bright lights of Olympia
blazed down upon the daShing
red-Shirted Bruneteau. A crowd of
L, 594 cheered him as he scored
four successive Detroit goals,
three in the first period, TO help
his team remain unbeaten with
Ga victory over the Boston Bruins.
Detroit evening times. (Detroit, Mich) 1921-1958, 1943-11-08
Pro Grid Standings
WESTERN DIVISION

Yesterdays RESULTS
DETROIT o. New York O.
BROOKLYN Z. Cards o.
Phil Piv u. Washington is
Bear al. Green Bss 7.
SENT SUNDAYS CAMS
DETROIT At Washington.
Phil Pitt At Brooklyn.
Bsars Al New York
Cards Va. Green BAY At Milwaukee.
Detroit evening times. (Detroit, Mich) 1921-1958, 1943-11-08
FIRST DOWNS LIMITED

With ground gaining at a
premium due to the weather
conditions and soggy going. the
first downs were few. The Lions
totaled six and the Giants only
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Detroit evening times. (Detroit, Mich) 1921-1958, 1943-11-08
= Boots Miss.
Lions AreTTed
Puntine Stands
Out in Muddy,
ScoreIess Tilt
BY LEO MACDONELL

While the game itself was a
Flooding, uninspiring sort Of an
exhibition. with fine football
artistry precIuded by wretehed
weather, there stood out today in
the wake of a scorelesS tie which
the Lions played with the New
York Giants at Briggs Stadium
yesterday two amazing features.
One was rare kicking by Harry
Hopp and frankie Sinkwich OF the
Lions and Carl Kinscherf of the
Giants. and the other the almost
total absence Of fumbles, notwith-
standing the contest being played
through a steady drizzle and on a
muddy field that was slippery and
treacherous.
In what may have been his
final home appearance in Lions
livery, the veteran Hopp fashioned
extraordinary punts while the
brilliant and versatile young Sink
witch baffIed the opposition with
a succession of tricky quick kicks.
The pair posted an average Of AZ
yards per kick, a somewhat
phenomenal average. Hopp kicked
seven times and Sinkwich five.
Detroit evening times. (Detroit, Mich) 1921-1958, 1943-11-08
Redskins Tied,
Bears LuCkmdn
Beats Packers
Nv International New, ssryic,

The unSullied record of the
Washington Redskins was marTed
by a tie today. but the champions
continued 10 dominate the Eastern
Division Of the National Profess
Sional Football League.
In yesterdays grIdirOn battles.
the Redskins were held 10 a Ia 10
IA tie by the Phil-Pitt Eagles at
Philadelphia. the Bears beat the
Green Bay Packers. u 10 Z. at
Chicago; the New York Giants
and the Detroit Lions battled TO
o 10 o tie at Detroit. and the
Brooklyn Dodgers broke into the
victory column with a 10 q
triumph over the Chicago Cardi-
nails al Brooklyn.
Detroit evening times. (Detroit, Mich) 1921-1958, 1943-11-08
HICKMAN DOES 1T

Tony Canadeo counted for the
Packers in the initial period after
Hutson set up the play by spear
ing a pass good for As yards. Fad
ing back 10 pass, Canadeo elected
10 run and scampered across the
goal line. HutSon converted.
A lateral from sid Luckman 10
Ray Mclean who Sprinted 66 yards
for a touchdown, and Bob Sny-
ders kick tied the score at the
half. The Bears winning touch
downs came on Luckman's pass 10
Harry Clark and 74-yard march
that ended with Luckman scoring
on a quarterback sneak. Snyder
added the other two extra points.
Detroit evening times. (Detroit, Mich) 1921-1958, 1943-11-08
Big Ten Figures

~ Z MIN = - TNTEITN 10
Illinois az Ohio State
Notre Dame A. Northwestern.
lows ~ Ninnesota
Wisconsin at Michigan.
Camp Grant at Iowa SeahaWka.
Detroit evening times. (Detroit, Mich) 1921-1958, 1943-11-08
PASSES FAIL To CLICK

Sammy Baugh, who SET a
league record last week by throw
ing six touchdown passes for the
Redskins against Brooklyn, COM
pleted Is out Of 80 losses for lA7
yards before 80 600 fans al phila-
delphia yesterday but was able 10
strike pay dirt only once, a pass
TO Wilbur Moore.
At Chicago, $4,000 fans saw the
Bears come from behind 10 de-
feat the Packers and their ace
paSs-Snatcher. Don HutSon, 2l-7
The victory virtually clinched the
western division title for the
Bears.
Detroit evening times. (Detroit, Mich) 1921-1958, 1943-11-08
ALMOST TIED RECORD

Four goals is plenty-it ties
the Red Wing record. But It is
even money that Mud, the quiet,
smiling Frenchman was replaying
the game this morning at break
fast out in his income bungalow
on Ohio avenue. It's odds on he
was trying some of those shots
over mentally as he munched his
cream of wheat.
Probably he told Norma his
wife, as she poured him his sec
ond cup of coffee.
Just think, honey, one more
goal and I'd have tied Pit Le-
pines all-time record. Well, it's
1880, better he screaming for
the plant"
For Mud has bagged four goals
beforehand that fifth one always
gets away. Down in Madison
Square Garden against the New
York Americans he scored four
goals as the Wings won. 6-1,
March 6. 1871. Trying for No. 5
he hit the goal posts twice in the
last two minutes. One shot Ca
rommed off both posts as his eyes
popped.
Detroit evening times. (Detroit, Mich) 1921-1958, 1943-11-08
COMBINATION CLICKS

The ST. Bernard-St. Rose tussle,
which was TO have determined
the second division east side win
ner, was one of the games post
poned.
The passing combination OF
Jimmy Thill to Bob Miller. which
has produced many touchdownS
for St. Mary'S this season
brought the BEDFORD team into
the first division playoff. The
score came in the third period
after Don Miller intercepted 9
pass at midfield. Jerry Galettc
passed TO Bob Miller 10 the Greg
DRY 7, and the Thill-Miller com
bination clicked for the marker
St. Gregory never threatened to
score.
st. James two backfield aces
Roy Scrimger and Jerry Mullens,
teamed 10 give the Ferndale
eleven the marker needed TO beat
De Sales. On the De Sales ID
Scrimger tossed a pass TO Mullens
for the games only touchdown,
XAVIER RALLIES
Xavier was held Scoreless in
the first half by Sacred Heart
but in the third quarter Chuck
Miller passed to Pete Beaker for
20 yards for the first score, and
in the final period Ronnie LOOMS
snagged a Sacred Heart pass and
ran 40 yards for the other.
Len Holton ran 40 yards and
Is yards for the first two St
Rita touchdowns as il downed St
Mary's Of Mt. Clemens, 20-6
Woody Youngblood j, went over
from the 5 for the third marker
lust before Bill De LUCE broke
loose for 60 yards for ST. Mary's
only score.
St Paul Of Crosse Pointe won
Detroit evening times. (Detroit, Mich) 1921-1958, 1943-11-08
PASS 100000 MARK

Sundays turnout boosted the
seasons home attendance total
for the Lions 10 more than
10000 for five games. within
a comparatively few thousands
Of the all time Detroit mark for
six games in 1898. With the cur
tain dropped on the home sched-
ule, the Lions now have only two
games remaining on the 1943
chart. one at Pittsburgh and the
other at Washington
Besides Hopp and Elmer Hack
ney. recently re-clasSified into
Ia. a number of other Lions may
have played their last game here.
depending Of course on how soon
will come the United Nations
victory.
The deadlock yesterday was
the first in eight games played
between the two since the Ports
mouth club became Detroit in
1884. All contests have been de-
cided one way or the other, the
Lions beating the New York club
in a league championship playoff
in 1895.
The Lions won five and the
Giants two games IN the inter
club series.
Besides being a kicking star,
Sinkwich was the Lions best
ground gamer totaling as yards
IN IL attempts against 53 yards
in II attempts by Ward Cuff.
the amazing New York veteran
who, like old wine. seems TO i'm
prove with age.
Detroit evening times. (Detroit, Mich) 1921-1958, 1943-11-08

Goals-RAida J LenArd Town gOaD.
Substitutes Cleveland c. Carafn. r
Detroit: J. walters. J. Springer.
Detroit evening times. (Detroit, Mich) 1921-1958, 1943-11-08
ROOKIE AVERAGES "

On the other hand, Kinscherf,
a firSt-year pro out Of Colgate,
assuming the entire kicking
burden for the New Workers,
averaged AZ yards a kick in Ia
boots, which is certainly nothing
to be sneezed at. So, if fans did
miss their wide open thrillerS they
were treated to something pretty
unusual.
There was only one tumble in
the entire contest, that tumble
being made and recovered by a
Giant.
A third rather startling fact
was that nearly 10000 fans
braved inclement weather 10 see
the pros slush and slather through
the gridiron quagmire that is the
pride and joy of groundkeeper
Neal Conway in the summer when
the baseball Tigers cavort there.
OF the total attendance, 1892
paid and 2,525 were servicemen,
who were guests OF the home club,
Detroit evening times. (Detroit, Mich) 1921-1958, 1943-11-08
Sure, He'll Try

"Next 20 n major league city
I'd rather be in Buffalo than
anywhere" Harris added.
Detroit evening times. (Detroit, Mich) 1921-1958, 1943-03-29
Thoroughly Disguised in z Weeks

Two weeks from now, you will be thoroughly disguised
with your job You will have been herded from place
place you will have wandered in nakedness and bewder
mcn through miles Of physical examination you will look
upon privacy and individuality things you left behind you
in golden civilian society.
Probably you will have developed murderous hatred
for at least sergeant and corporas You will wrthe
and ume under what YOU consider brutality and sadism
and you will wonder how enlightened nation permit
such atrocty IN its army Take easy brother; take it
easy.
Keep this one beam Of radiant hope constantly before
you: The first three weeks the hardest.
For those first threeor possibly four-weeks you will
bear the greatest part Of the painful process of adjusting
yourself TO altogether routine In those first three
weeks you will get almost the full required dose of
fusion and misery You be afraid to leave your barracks
lest the full wrath Of the department fall upon YOU
You will find yourself unbeevably awkward and clumsy
when YOU try to learn the drills and the knowledge of this
awkwardness will make you awkward. Unless
relax you be very unhappy during those first three
weeks.
When you assigned your basic training you'll
really get Youn drill and drill little day
and when the tries advise you'll
his throat with your bare hands You'll be sick Of
the sounds OF his before hour passed The only
comfort give the knowledge that the poor sergeant
Detroit evening times. (Detroit, Mich) 1921-1958, 1943-03-29
Snap It Up in Salute

The place where your attitude toward your lie
will show clearly the traditional salute officer.
He that simple than anything else
do. If hand approaches your brow ndoeny lifted by
the breeze he knows that you still bgrdge sacrifice
that you don't give damn. Snap il up there.
During first three four weeks in the youU
hear lot of gripping You'll be doing lot Of yourself. Grpe
If mustthe recognizes its value emotional
catharticbu remember that there's and place for
Don't be unpleasant about your gripping and don't epu
taton constant griper.
You stay out Of LOT Of trouble by remembering that
longer governed by civil law. Your Law. the
Articles Of War important but you don't have study
about unconscously breaking obscure article The
Articles Of War matter Of common But II YOU
don't like them writing home to your congressman won't
change them.
The main things remember these: Watch your
attitude do work your superors along
with fellow soldiers keep yourself and equipment
at all times and behave yourself
Do these and you have any trouble with tho
For what happens when you don't do them et look
into the case of Pvt. Hargrove, U.S.A.
To Be Con tinued Tomorrou)
Detroit evening times. (Detroit, Mich) 1921-1958, 1943-03-29
You viii Have Found Yourself

not end of that ordeal you'll be
feeling good You'll be full of spirit and and will
have found yourself You'll start to look around and you'll
things make proud. You'll find that, although
corporas and still tolerate ooshness the drill
field the they're good fellows when take break
or when the day is
You'll look at the coming in 10 go through the
hardening period and you'll look them with fatherly
sympathetic eye They will be rockies you veteran of
almost month
For practical advice there is better than the golden
rule Of the Keep and mouth shut
At first probably you'll be inclined to rembe at the sight
of corporal who the street You might
salute the frstclas prvaes Then when the top
negecs beat you with knout and rub CT salt into
the wounds might want to the other extreme This
way madness lies.