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Browning chief. [volume] (Browning, Mont.) 1941-1953, 1941-07-25
SURVEY OF STATE
GOVERNMENT IS
NOW BEING MADE
GOV. SAM c. FORD HOPES TO
EFFECT SAVING BY GROUP
INC nEEIGES

ING OFFICES
Gov. Sam c. Ford has employed E.
o. Griffenhagen and associates OF
Chicago to make study Of state gov
eminent which is to be concluded Jan.
81. 1912.
Governor Ford, who announced en-
ployment of the Griffenhagen organ
ization following an all-day conference
with members of the state reorganiZa-
ton committee, said the Chicago firm
would receive sl6.5OO for its work.
The 1871 session of the legislature
appropriated $4,000 for the govern
ment reorganization survey, and mem
bers Of the committee said the reserve
in the fund would be used for publica-
ton Of the report and recommended
tons the chief executive will make to
the legislature in 1913.
The survey is scheduled to begin
July 81, and the first report is ex-
pected late in August. Governor Ford
said the reports would come as sur
veys of departments are completed.
The Griffenhagen firm is now en-
gageq IN conducting survey of the
Louisiana state government. Previous
~ surveys had been made of California,
Ohio. Connecticut, Massachusetts,. Mis-
souri,. Michigan and Wyoming state
governments.
The governor said final recommen-
dationS from the Griffenhagen organ
ization would be the basis of his report
to the legislature in 1913
Wherever executive order may be
used to make changes recommended
which are compatible with his and
the committees wishes. the governor
will take such steps, he said.
Governor Ford. in his 1910 campaign.
advocated streamlining of the state
government to eliminate duplicating
services and for greater economy.
According to members of the reor-
ganization committee first steps to be
taken by the Griffenhagen organiza-
ton will include an examination and
appraisal of each state department,
office, board, commission. committee,
institutions and other state agencies.
Each study will embrace inquiry into
functions, internal organization. per-
sonnet. operating policies, administra-
tive control expenditures and needs.
revenues. and value and cost of serv-
ices rendered.
The survey group will go into such
detailed aspects of the operation of
Montana government as accounting
systems, recording practices, budget
making and administering, control of
revenue and receipts control of ex-
penditures, treasury and debt admins
tration. purchasing. contracts. property
control, insurance, transportation of
employees and office procedures.
This examination will result in rec
concentrations for changes to provide
modern. complete and properly in
tegrated system of business and fiscal
management aimed to insure adequate
control of resources and expenditures
and helpful information for admins
trative heads" Griffenhagen told the
governor and members of the COM
mittee
Reorganization committee members
who attended the conference included
w. E. Dowlin of Billings, chairman;
Fred Bennion of Helena, James N.
Dougherty of Elliston and Senator
Charles Mahoney of Jordan.
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DIVING BUFFALO
SHOWS FEATURE

The worlds most unique aquatic
show-the DuRand wild game water
rodeo-will be presented for the sew
enth consecutive year at the Big Elk
ranch, midway between Martinsdale
and White Sulphur Springs on highway
No. 6. the afternoons of Aug. 2 and 3.
CORTLAND DuRand, internationally
known big game trainer and owner of
the ranch, three years ago presented
a diving buffalo as the feature attrac-
ton at the famous Steel Pier at At
lantic City, N. J. Thousands thronged
to the pier each day to see the mon
arch of the plains" charge up a run
way and dive 40 feet into a tank of
water.
Dozen Diving Animals
At the DuRand water rodeo not one.
but a dozen or more buffaloes will
make similar leaps, all without prod
ding or tripping. Most of the animals,
some of which weigh a ton. actually
enjoy the diving but spectators will
discover there's as much difference in
diving form and styles among the
bison as in the human race
A score or more of elk, again un-
attended, will swim in formation from
other An elk will provide the motive
power for a boat trip about the lake
for pair of the human assistants.
Giant bull elk and buffaloes will be
''bulldogged" in the water, not by pro-
fessional rodeo performers but by
Montana girls and boys who have
learned that speed in swimming is far
more important than brute strength
,,-l, 20 l,a, -
in water
DuRands famous team of elk, Jack
and Bill. recently pictured in Life
magazine, will be driven about the
grounds hauling a half dozen or so
passengers in the wagon behind them
These elk are fitted with ordinary
brides and harness.
Mary, probably the most photo
graphed elk in the world. will be about
the grounds to pose for snapshots, &C
companied, perhaps, by her fawn.
Blackie, the cub bear who makes his
home at the ranch, so far has shown
no liking for the water stunts but has
promised to have a trick or two to
amuse the patrons.
Nationally Famous
The DuRand water rodeo has be-
come nationally famous The Big Elk
ranch was established as a commercial
game establishment. but DuRand, who
always had way with animals, soon
was teaching his elk and buffaloes
| tricks. First national publicity came
when the ranch activities were made
the subject of Grantland Rice Sport
light reel, which is still making the
rounds OF the nations motion picture
theaters. Twice Fox Movietone News
has sent cameramen to the ranch to
picture the water rodeo program for
newsreel audiences. Pictures and stories
of the animals have appeared in doz-
ems of magazines and newspapers about
the country and each year finds more
and more fasteners timing their visits
to Montana'S vacationland so they may
take in the show
! DuRand has said. and it is probably
true, that the water show and the
accompanying oddities to be founc
about the ranch are probably better
known in the east than they are ir
Montana.
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Deny LiquOr License

The Montana liquor control board,
at a special meeting, denied the appli-
cation of Paul Dayton and Joy Woods
for a liquor license for roadhouse
near Steyensville.
Administrator Ray Wahl said ''evi-
dence presented to the board indicated
a strong local sentiment against is
Suance of the license"
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Take MANI Photos

Photographing of the 1880 main
entry cards in the catalog Of the Mon
tana State college library at Bo0eman
has been completed for the Union
catalog being assembled by the Uni
versity of Washington library at Seattle
as an aid to the library needs of the
northwest, according to MIS-. Lois B.
Payson, State college librarian. The
project is being carried on under
grants from the WPA and the Carnegie
Corp. OF New York.
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instruction

BUILD BOMBERS! Young men wanted to
train for aircraft factory work. Write for
Information. State age, education. present &C.
cupat!on. Write Airtrades. P, o. Box 1000,
Spokane Wash.
THE AIRCRAFT INDUSTRY NEEDS MEN.
We offer a complete primary course in
Blueprint reading, Sheet Metal and Sub-as-
seubly work, by qualified and licensed in
structors, to men eligible for this class of
work. Northwest Aircraft Trade School, $500
Airport Way. Seattle, Wash.
Browning chief. [volume] (Browning, Mont.) 1941-1953, 1941-07-25

At the beginning of the last century
the countryis roads were so poor that
it took 100 hours of constant travel
by the fastest means Of locomotion
then. to go in the year 1916, the AS
miles from Buffalo to Washington.
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Personal

ARE YOU LONELY? Meet someone near you
through Montana state lists. Many wealthy.
Select, confidential Results or money re-
funded. Free, sealed information. GET TO-
GETHER CLUB, 2lei-W Bathgate Ave, New
York. N Y.
LOVE HUNTERS! Get Lovers Romances, all
ages. names, addresses, descriptions. Com
plete ladies list soc. mems soc. Insa johnson.
Route g. GryEla, MINI.
MARRY RICH! Sealed particulars, photos. de-
scriptiors. free Confidential Reeder, Box
SAG, Palestine, Texas.
GET ACQUAINTED CLUB. Introductions made
quickly. All ages, many wealthy. Simpson.
Box 1851. Denver, Colo.
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probably more than 1000 feet OF fault

closure.
The triple bentonite beds of the
Claggett are at the surface for more
than 10 miles along the main axis of
the structure. These beds are 100 feet
thick and lie in contact with the upper
coal member of the Eagle. The struc-
ture should log about 1000 feet high
er than the Signal Butte well. which
lies about 25 miles northwesterly and
in which complete saturation was
found in the Ellis.
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Classified
P q u nv
Adsssy-tis;sse
For Sale
BABY CHICKS

HEALTHY DIsEAsE-RE8ISTANT Baby Chicks
produced from aeclmated northern bred
range raised 0ockS. All our f1ocks are q. 8.
approved. double blood-tested and banded
under the supervision Of the North Dakota
State Poultry Improvement Board. LeghornS.
Rocks, Reds. OrptnGtonS, Wyandottes, Giants
Ainorcas and New Hampshtres Matched twice
each week Special prices and discounts. Write
for catalog and prices TO Blue Ribbon Hatch
cry and Supply Company, MandAn- No. OAK
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process increasing the gasoline
yield from crude oil has been discov-
cred. 1t is said that this would be of
special benefit to industry.
Browning chief. [volume] (Browning, Mont.) 1941-1953, 1941-07-25
PILOT TRAINING
COURSES OPEN

The civil pilot training course con-
Quoted at the Great Falls College Of
Education and sponsored by the Great
Falls Chamber CT Commerce, offering
n hours Of ground school instruction
still has some vacancies. Applicants
must be between 10 and Is. must pass
4 physical examination and must be
residents Of Montana
Applications should be made either
In person or BY mail to Father James
J. Donovan, co-oedinator. civil pilot
training service, 1913 Third avenue
north OFoat Falls, Mont.
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Wanted to Buy
pULIKY

NYD1RAHD POULTRY 60. eash bayefB Il
i've 1sazU snl ssgs- INTO any tDs. 3l1o
IlAo4 -. DuooA nk
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Barber Schools
Help w anted

MALE
SHEEP RANCH OPERATOR wanted for COM
bination grain and sheep ranch on share
basis. Must know sheep and have equipment.
Good ranch. well located. Excellent oppor-
tunity for right man. Give experience. age
family and reference in first letter. Box 597
Lewistown. Mont.
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Police of Athens have ordered all
employers to file a list of employees
every month, giving each workers age,
place OF birth and other data
Browning chief. [volume] (Browning, Mont.) 1941-1953, 1941-07-25

1t was an old colored nanny who
once said, If you haven't got a eddi-
cation, you've just got to use your
brains
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PhOtOs-Finishing

BETTER PICTURES. Quicker Service, Rolls
developed. prints each negative Csc. Re-
prints &c. 8 Double Weight SKI enlargements
100. Fox Studios, Billings, Montana.
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kalisDeU to Build

Plans for a new federal agricultural
building in Kalispell to house all local
federal agencies took definite shape
with the appointment Of q building
committee by the county commission
ers. Tim Sullivan. DR.. F. H. Keller.
Roy Ellis, Everett Lewis and Milton
Stiles have been named. The commit
tee will meet soon with H. E. Harper
of the farm security administration
to work out preliminary plans.
Browning chief. [volume] (Browning, Mont.) 1941-1953, 1941-07-25

NV tn vruu9 thing at TIE right
IT, end so0s fool VM envy you.
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Hey. what are you doing?" yelled
the foreman.
Just sharpening my pencil" replied
the bricklayer
well, don't let anybody see you
that's a carpenters Job"
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Selected from 5000 railway engi-
neers to pose for a war poster which
was displayed along railway lines OF
England, 59-year-old w. T. Freestone
said in surprise. cit must have been on
account of my schoolgirl complexion
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CLASSIFIED
For Sale Or Lease
BUILDING MATERIAL
ADVERTISEMENTS

BUILDING MATER1AI
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PARM LUMBER Immediately available by
truck. roUgh or planned lumber, Quantities,
quality to suit every requirement, forty-eight
hour delivery, REASONABLE PRICES, In
suiries stating quantity and quality desired
Will receive immediate attention Robt. L.
RoEeu Sll 3rG Ave. n. Great Falls. Mont
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0ass;6s
LIv ST o e x
Wanted to Buy
SWINE
.AduUt1s;7ao :

SWINE
WANTED-40 CHESTER WHITE SOW PIGS,
registered or subject to registry. A J..
Rivard. Taylors Falls. MINI.
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BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES

BEER PARLOR, Lunch Counter and Dance
Hall in two-Story brick bldg-, length BLDG
3OXl3O fl. 20 SleepinE rooms fully equipped
Cost Of bids $4,000 for sale for si2o 600. I
down. balance easy terms Reason for selling,
poor health. 5ll E Park Ave. Anaconda.
Montana
Detroit evening times., 1941-12-12
Speaker
Banned
At Bust

EAST LANSING. Dec. 49,
With the feature of the program
billed as mo after dinner speaker, f"
the Michigan State varsity and
freshman football teams will be
honored along with 125 high
school gridders tomorrow night at
the twenty-second annual football
banquet.
Unless some unpredictable emer-
gency presents itself, Gov. Murray
D. Van Wagner will attend the
bust" to make the "Croix de
Guerre" award to the most valu-
able senior player.
With the announcement of the
first Michigan Officials Associa-
tion All-State team, Charles +.
Forsythe, state high school ath-
letic director, will deliver a short
address. Introduction of Spartan
seniors and honored players will
be followed by Kampus Kapers,
an all-student radio show.
The Governors award, "a gold
watch, has been presented an
nually since 1881. Past winners
have been Abe Eliowitz. Bob Mon
nett, Arthur Buss, Ed Klewicki,
Sid Wagner, Sam Ketchman,
Harry Speelman, Johnny Pingel,
Lyle Rockenbach and Jack Anon.
Detroit evening times., 1941-12-12
West Side Swim
Me ct Results

Diving--Diek Bschorek (wJ. 235 points
Frank Melochs (w). 1928. Jim Crawford
tNW), 1928; Gene Walsh (W), 1882;
Ralph Gawlas (R). 1889.
50-ysrd free style-John Maloy (SW)
:25.2; Isadore BednArskI (Ch), :26 3
Ralph Hunt tNW1, :26.5; Bill Gardner
(co), :28.7.
100-ysrd breast stroke--Jerry Astourian
tW), 1:12.4; Jack Parker (NW). Audley
Morden (W). l:l4.4; George Bull (R).
2oo.ysrd free style-Gale Feather (R).
2:10.4 Bob Pushman (W), 2;1l: Jim Nc
ouirk tNW), 2:13.3; Ray Lumley tNW),
2:13.5.
1Oo-y yard backstroke-Tom Lechner (ce),
1915 Pete Butler tW), 1908; Bob
Speed (Ce), 1:l1.e; Loren Bloetscher (R),
1:l3.3.
i0O-yard free style--John Maloy (sw).
:56.4, Bob Pugsley (NW). :572; Jack
Todt (W), zoos; Isadore Bednarski (Ch),
1:0l.3.
150-yard Individual medley--Gale Feather
(R), 1882; Jack Parker (NW), as s
Audey Morden tw). 1:4o; Jim Mcouirk
(NW), 1903
15O-yard medley relay - Western. 1:27
(Pete Butler. Jerry Astourian and John
KrygoskD: Central. :30.5 Redford, 81 ;
Northwestern, :33.5.
2OO-yard free style relay Western.
1:441 (Dick Bachorek. John Roberts, John
Krygoski and Bob Pushman). Northwest
ern, 1893; Central, 1898; Redford'
l:47,1.
Detroit evening times., 1941-12-12
Coaches Ecuedor's Cage Team

That years ago. He's still there. He is the
highly and basketball coach for the Republic OF
Ecuador famed Of the greatest sports author
ties in South America.
We talking Dad last night, and he showed us a
recent letter which Ban had written home It's crossecton
of adventurous life most of dream about but few
us know interested and thought
might be- So with Dads gracious permission want to
share portion of it with Constant Reader (f he's still
around).
"As you both know, am here in Guayaqui" writes Ban
"In the daytime it's usually hot and In the cool of the
night will find plenty of mosquitoes and whpscopions to
make it interesting for you.
IF you go playing in the surf, there's always
few man-eang sharks and sting rays II you prefer to
wander JUNGLE you agators deadly
insects
know the tropics and love them because they have
kind The unges and mountains of the tropics
have code all their always Turing you with their
multi-coIored orchids and brilliant birds.
1--WE baed these hot jungles and frozen In the billiards
the mountains trading these experiences with the tropics
strength penetrate the million mysteries and
secrets that white will know
Detroit evening times., 1941-12-12
Yale Included
On Track Card
For Spdrtdns
Eleven Meets for
Thinclads, Eight
for Boxers Listed

EAST LANSING. Dec. 12-
Competi,ion in II indoor track
meets for the Michigan State
,hinclads was announced today by
Ralph II. Young. athletic director
and Coach Karl A. Schlademan.
The Spartan track squad will
open with Ohio State on January
81 in JeniSon FieldhouSe. Other
dual meets are with Yale and
Marquette both at home. Feature
Of the track schedule is the six
tcenth annual Central Collegiate
Conference meet to be held here
March 6 and Z.
Young also revealed an eight
event varsity boxing card. The
Spartan ringmen will open al
home on January 30 with Purdue
The team has been taken over
this year by Al Kawal, new as
sistant football coach. who was ar
amateur and collegiate boxing
champion.
Detroit evening times., 1941-12-12
Return Pu(ks,
Fans Requested
CONTINUED from First Sport Page)

Continued from First Sport Page)
that for some businessman to
have one on his desk 90 remind
him of the Red Wings. Or fox-
some youngster to be showin
all the neighborhoOd kids the
swell puck his big brother
speared In scramble at Olympia
the night before.
"Now we're going to ask them
TO be patriotic and peg them
back. It's stretching IL a little
bit perhaps, but we might con-
ceivably have to call a game one
of these nights IL we run out of
pucks."
There will be no coercion, no
pressure on the fans, no hustling
by the ushers. according TO General
Manager Fred Haner. It's going TO
be a patriotic pleasure TO return
the pucks and he hopes fellow
fans won't boo the ones who do.
as they have in the past.
Only one of the Red Wings who
doesn't seem 10 care about the
prospective puck shortage Is Goal
tender Johnny Mowers, who is
oiling up his joints for a busy
night in the nets against the Maple
Leafs Sunday.
"a shortage OF pucks: Swellw
said Johnny with grin. I've
seen too many OF those things
already this season"
Detroit evening times., 1941-12-12

places and strange sights upon which
few white men have ever looked.
We are thinking Of the venturesome
Ban Butler sitting in a hotel suite in
distant Guayaquil, with the mystery and
the beauty of the tropics all about him.
Ban is the only son of Dad Butler, the
University of Detroit's beloved sports
patriarch. And, in his own right, Ban
is quite a guy.
While he was a student at y. of D.,
Ban distinguished himself in basketball
and track During the summer vaca-
tions, he distinguished himself in other
ways. Four times he circled the globe
under his own power, working his way
on tramp steamers and at whatever jobs
he could get.
Following his graduation, he worked
Detroit evening times., 1941-12-12
TRACK SCHEDULE

.JanuAry 3i-Ohio state University.
February 1i--Nineteenih annual Illinois
relays a. Champaign. Ill.
February is-Tenth annual Michigan
Michigan Normal meet at Ann Aroor
February 2i-Seventeeuth annual Mar
ouette meet.
February 27-Twenty second annual
Michigan state relays
sMarch and sixteenth annual Cen
trial Collegiate Conference.
March i4-Tenth annual Butler Relays
at Indianapolis Fourteenth annual I'LL
noiis Tech relays at Chicago.
March 16--Ysle University.
March 2i-Sixth annual Chicago relays
a. Chicago.
.March 75-Ninth annual Michigan
A. A. L. relays.
'Home meets
BoNING SCHEDULE
january 30--PuYdue.
February 1l--Florida.
February 23-West Virginia,
February 2s-Pennsylvsnis State ~
state College, Pa
March 2-BuokneIl at Lewisburg. Pa.
March 6--Wisconsin at Madison, Wis.
March IL and i4-Eastern 1ntercolegi-
ate at Morgantown w Va
March q ana 2s-N. c. A. A. at
Baton Rouge. la.
Home contests.
Detroit evening times., 1941-12-12

Yes! He knows why thousands Of
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IGAN AVE, Shop any evening till
9 o'clock.
Detroit evening times., 1941-12-12
cIemons, Taylor
Meet on Mat Again

frankie Clemons, Battle Creek
ad boy. and frankie Taylor, the
'alifornian. will meet in the two
n three fall wrestling feature in
Tairview Gardens. Tuesday night.
The bout, with an hour time limit,
a rematch of one Taylor won
this week on a foul.
Detroit evening times., 1941-12-12

Johnny Neun and Billy Meyer
OF Newark and Kansas City
Yankee farms, switch managerial
jobs.
Don Padgett, outfielder. sold by
st. Louis Cardinals to Brooklyn
Johnny Rizzo, outfielder, SOLD
by the Phils to Brooklyn.
Johnny Mize, first baseman
traded by Cards to Giants fol
pitcher Lohrman and catcher
IO'Dea.
Sam Chapman, released By
White Sox, signed as manager a
Charlotte, Washington farm.
Detroit evening times., 1941-12-12
TAKE EXPECTED FIRST

Western, Northwestern, Central
and Redford all placed in both the
l50-yard medley relay and the
200-yard free style relay. Western
took an expected first in the med
ley relay. Pete Butler gave the
| Cowboys a short lead and Jerry
Astourian opened a wider breach.
John Krygoski, using the free
style. finished for the Western
trio. The Western time Of f:27 was
better than seconds faster than
Central, which finished second in
1905. Redford was third in 81 !
and Northwestern fourth in 1888.
In the free style relay Western
took an unexpected first over
Northwestern's favored squa d.
Dick Bachorek, the first place
diver, led off for the Cowboys,
followed by Bob Pushman, John
Krygoski and John Roberts in
I1:44.1. Northwestern followed in
1:45.5, with Central third in 1:45.8
and Redford fourth In All.
Detroit evening times., 1941-12-12
Oh Yes. and He's a Philosopher

Oh Yes. and He's Philosopher
81 have met such character in whole life His
life would have made great book sat enthraed listening
hours. He told of the Shan of the Colo
that bend bones (Which have also seen
shrinking the heads of the Jbare Indians and the little
green monkeys feathers their bodies instead OF
fur.
"He philosopher. He asked for nothing from life
wanted only to talk to who had been in
the places and spoke his language That
when he walked through the door
struck 1t rich half dozen times, spent 1t and lost It,
said me, sometimes get little discouraged, but
always remember how much have to thank God for and
hang there and don't give up and keep looking around
the bend in the river can't help but come out on top
He's Still Wea+hering the Storm
"Try to beat that at IS years old! He great
lift He looked around the suite of and at having
there when he ready to leave he said to
Come and how poor folks live. haven't
much to offer but will treat you nice that can't help
liking little.
by then didn't like him, loved him. That's what you
get down here below the equator He bascarred and
gnared like Oak-but still weathering the storm"
day when the load grows ntoeraby heavy and every
thing goes wrong and though it's trying
going to recall that splendid old jungle rat
his unfang And that thought going to
whatever rough spots there