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The Wilmington morning star., 1940-01-07
MISS DAISY G.. L
BECOMES BRIDE OF
A. E. CUMBER, JR.

A wedding Of interest to friends
throughout the state and Virginia
was solemnized on Monday, Janu.
airy 1, at 4 o'clock at the Emmanuel
Presbyterian church manse when
Miss Daisy Graham Kelly became
the bride of A. E. Cumber, Jr.
Rev. F. S.. Johnston, pastor of the
church, officiated using the ring
ceremony.
just prior to the ceremony Mrs.
f. S. Johnston gave a r of
wedding music using Loves Old
Sweet Song" and "Shubert's Sere.
made" During the ceremony 'Lieb.
straum' was played softly. The
traditional wedding marches were
used as the professional and recess
sional.
The VOWS were spoken before an
lmprovised altar of southern smilax
and paper white narcissus with
burning white tapers in three
NJ iiS CdIlueldUTdS at elCner side.
The bride descended the stairs
and was met by the groom and en-
tered the living room unattended.
The bride presented a picture of
loneliness in an afternoon frock of
royal blue velvet with. matching
turban and black accessories. Her
corsage vas of pink roses.
Immediately after the ceremony,
the bride and groom left for a
wedding trip to points Of interest
in Virginia. Upon their return they
will reside in their new home in
Sunset Park.
The bride is the daughter of Mr..
and Mrs. D.. J. Kelly of this city.
She is a graduate of New Hanover
High school. The groom is the son
Of Mr.. and Mrs. A. E. Cumber OF
this city. He is a graduate of New
Hanover High school and is asso.
ciated with his father in business.
The Wilmington morning star., 1940-01-07
TILESTON PIT. A, CIRQUE
TO CONVENE TUESDAY

The January meeting of the Tiles.
ton Parent-Teacher association will
be held Tuesday afternoon, Janu-
airy 9, in the auditorium of the
school. The president, Mrs. I. T.
Sell, will preside.
The devotional will be conducted
by Rev. C. D. Barclift, pastor of the
Fifth Avenue Methodist church.
A Safety program will be pre-
sented by pupils of the school un-
der the direction of Miss Gertrude
Moore and Mrs. @. B. Snipes.
Mrs. f. B. Overman will deliver
the state presidents message.
At the close of the meeting a So
cial hour will be enjoyed. All mem
bers and interested friends are in
vited to attend.
The Wilmington morning star., 1940-01-07
SOUTH WILMINGTON
HOME CLUB

The South Wilmington Home
Demonstration club met Wednes-
day, January 4 at the clubhouse
with the president, Mrs. S. D. Col.
Inns, presiding.
Afteer the business session, the
work for 1910 was discussed, the
main goal for the year was to use
the clubhouse as a community zen.
ter. Each member was asked to
bring a shrub to the February
meeting to be used to improve the
grounds. Miss Mason used for her
lesson, "The Outlook for 194O." She
also reviewed the new year books
for 1910 and asked each member
to read her book thoroughly. A so.
cial hour was then enjoyed. Mrs. l..
T. Landen and Miss Doris Ian.
den being hostesses serving tea
and cookies.
The Wilmington morning star., 1940-01-07
BOLTON

BOLTON, Jan. 6.-Lonnie Smith,
of Charlotte, spent the holidays
with his sister, Mrs. Jess Long. -
Miss Aldine Billiard, of Newton
Grove, spent some time with Mrs.
H. Applewhite during the holidays.
Mr.. and Mrs. Lawrence Brown
and children, of Wilmington, spent
last weekend with Mr.. and Mrs.
B. H. Brown. Frank Elliot, of
Beardstown, ILL.,, spent the holidays
with his brother, Roy Elliott. MIR.
and Mrs. Frank Ellis spent Christ
mas with Mr.. ard Mrs. Deimas
Grimsley in Winston-Salem. Mrs.
Grimsley, and son, James Franklin,
returned with Mr. and Mrs. Ellis.
Luke Smith spent several days
here during the holidays.-Wilbur
Applewhite, of Wilmington, spent
several days with Mrs. Addie
Creech.-Miss Doris Bordeaux spent
some time with Miss Doris Bennett
during the holidays. Miss Leila
Vereen, of Chesterfield, S. c.,
spent the holidays with Mr.. and
Mrs. Jack Vereen. Miss African
Long, of Beaufort, S. c., spent the
holidays with her parents, MI. and
Mrs. L. C. Long. Mr.. and Mrs. A.
V. HARRISON, of Whiteville, have
returned home after spending sever
al days with Mr.. and Mrs. Sealy.-
Mr.. and Mrs. j.. F. Wilson and Miss
Lois Wilson, Franklin Wilson, Mr..
and Mrs. S. B. Smith and S. B.. Jr,
spent New Years in Wilmington.
Mrs. w.. C. Williamson and daugh-
tiers, Misses Sarah James and
Frances, have returned to their
home in Clinton after spending the
holidays with Mr.. and Mrs. D. w.
Merritt. MIR. and Mrs. r. C. Mer-
rift, Mrs. Ida Terrell and son, Max,
of Magnolia, and Miss Kate Merritt
of Sanford spent Saturday with
and Mrs. D. W. Merritt. Sgt.
]. A. Merritt, Of Kinston, and Miss
Mildred Braxton, of New Bern,
spent New Years afternoon here.
The Wilmington morning star., 1940-01-07
GRACE METHODIST
CIRCLES WILL MEET

The circles of Grace Methodist mis-
| sionary society will meet in the fol
lowing rooms of the church Monday
at $3.50 with a general meeting at
4 o'clock.
l.. Mrs. w. A. Cade, leader, in
choir room.
2. Mrs. T. E. Cooper, leader, in
Scout room.
8, Mrs. S. M. Marlborough, leader,
in auditorium.
T.. Mrs. D. C. Marshall, leader, in
Mems class room.
S, Mrs. E. L. Fulcher, leader, in
primary room.
6. Mrs. S. D. Hurst, leader, in
Lydia Yates room.
Z. The Business Woman's circle,
Miss Bessie Hollowell, leader, will
meet Monday night at 8 o'clock
with Miss Agnes Chasten, 602
Chestnut street.
The Wilmington morning star., 1940-01-07
EDUCATIONAL GROUP
OF SOROSIS CLUB TO
ON

The Current Topics Division of
the Education Department of
North Carolina Sorosis, will hold it's
meeting Thursday afternoon, Janu-
airy II, at 4 o'clock in the club
rooms on North Third street. All
members r invited to attend.
Mrs. Louis Hanson, chairman of
the Current Topics Division, is
leader for the afternoon. The pro-
gram is as follows:
Directors of Destiny" by Jerry
Allen. Reviewed by Mrs S. B. Sid
bury.
How the Neutrality Laws r AT.
fecting Us, Mrs. H. Edmund Rog-
ers.
"Challenge to Civilization" read
by Mrs. J. Henry Gerdes.
QUESTIONABLE, Background for
War" by the editors of Time, Mrs.
George Leftwich.
The Wilmington morning star., 1940-01-07
DELGADO PIT. A. WILL
HOLD MEETING TUESDAY

The Delgado Parent-Teacher asso-
cation will hold it, regular meet
ing on Tuesday afternoon at 3
o'clock in the school.
A very interesting program has
been arranged by t e music depart
ment directed by Miss Floyd.
1t is hoped that a very large
crowd will be present as this will
be the last meeting before beginning
the erection of a rev school build
ing and several matters will be dis
cussed.
The Wilmington morning star., 1940-01-07
Lyell-Todd
Invitations
Issued Here
Wedding Will Take Place Jan.
uary Is At st. Johns
Church Here

Invitations have been issued in
the city to the approaching mar
riage of Miss Reba Myers Lyell and
William Edward Todd.
They read:
Mr.. and Mrs. James Samuel Lyell
request the honor Of your presence
at the marriage of their daughter
Reba Myers
to
Mr.. William edward Todd
Thursday evening, the twenty-fifth
of January
Nineteen hundred and forty
at half after six o'clock
st. Johns Episcopal Church
Wilmington, North Carolina
The Wilmington morning star., 1940-01-07
ISAAC BEAR PIT. A.
WILL HOLD MEETING
Tuesday AFTERNOON

The Parent-Teacher meeting Of
Isaac Bear school will be held on
tuesday afternoon, January 9, at 8
o'clock. The opening religious ex-
ervjces will be led by the Rev. Dr..
Harry Whitmore, pastor of the
Church of the Covenant. The theme
for the meeting will be that of COM
m1nity recreation, and the speaker
will be Mrs. Isabel Towles, project
foreman of the recreation unit of
the Works Progress administration.
Mrs, Towles will speak on a typi-
cal community recreation project
and its effect on community life.
A special meeting of the execu-
tive committee will be held fifteen
minutes before the meeting. A large
attendance is requested.
The Wilmington morning star., 1940-01-07
Garden Club to
Hold Monthly
Meet Wednesday
rvocutive Committee To Con-
zone At 1915 O'Clock In
St. James Parish House

r,o January meeting of the Cape
,.,. Garden club will be held in st.
lanes parishhouse on Wednesday
.,rring. January 1G, at II o'clock.
ri. executive committee will meet
,t 1915 o'clock.
Miss Monimia MacRae will speak
Hedge Material. Programs will
Ss announced for the annual Camel
10 chow and Garden pilgrimage.
Mrs. O. f. Cooper and Mrs. A. H.
1,,lio+ will be in charge of the exhi-
-. All members are urged to bring
s,ocinoens of winter berries.
The Wilmington morning star., 1940-01-07
Birth Announced

Mr.. and Mrs. Frank Johnson, of
Bolivia, announce the birth of a
son, Billie Frank, on January 4, at
the Dosher Memorial hospital. Mrs.
Johnson vas formerly Miss Bertha
Woodcock, of Atkinson.
The Wilmington morning star., 1940-01-07
METHODIST U
PEOPLE WILL MEET

The Methodist Young Peoples
Union of Wilmington will hold the
monthly meeting Monday evening
at 8 o'clock at Trinity Methodist
church. Worship Will be in charge
of James Davis and the recreational
program will follow.
The Wilmington morning star., 1940-01-07
MISS H. CHINNIS
ENGAGED TO r
DIR, LEWIS

Mrs. A. M. Chinnis announces the
engagement of her daughter, Thel-
ma Aleine, to DR.. Sherman Lewis,
of New Bern.
The wedding will take place with
in the near future.
The Wilmington morning star., 1940-01-07

Farm population of the United
States as Of January, 1, 1888, was
estimated at 81, 1 200.
The Wilmington morning star., 1940-01-07
MCKINNEY ON BRIDGE
Western Expert Plays a Squeeze To Score Little Slam in
No Trump

This is the 18th of a series of hands played by the new national
champions at the Pittsburgh, Pa, tournament.
The Wilmington morning star., 1940-01-07

To rectify it, he made the brilliant
lead of the club six, voluntarily
giving up a trick.
North won and returned the spade
queen. When West won with the
ace and cashed the clu king, South
was indeed squeezed in the majol
suits.
NEXT: Pulling 4 game from the
fire.
Lydia Yates Circle
The Lydia Yates circle will meet
Tuesday evening at 8 o'clock.
The Wilmington morning star., 1940-01-07

Missionary Society Meets
The Woman's Missionary society
Of the Fifth Avenue Methodist
church will meet at $3.50 o'clock
Monday in the church parlor.
Evening star., 1940-08-01
Riqqs, Within Inch of Defeat
BY AIIoo, Has RevengefuI
Pruson as Foe Today

only to have it drop outside by not
more than an inch.
Bobby even tossed aside his racket
after the fourth game Of that set
an almost unheard-of procedure in
tight game-but once Alloo missed
that crucial shot he ran out the
match with little trouble, winning 13
points in row.
Afterward Alloo remarked, Riggs
was the only player in the world
who could have done that to me-"
Hunt Loses to Guernsey.
Others who entered the quarter
final round were Frank Kovacs of
Oakland, Calf; George Toley of Los
Angeles, Elwood Cooke of Portland,
Oreg.; Ted Schroeder of Glendale,
Calf: Frank Guernsey of Orlando,
Fla, and Don McNeill of Oklahoma
City.
Guernsey advanced yesterday at
the expense of Gilbert Hunt, whom
he defeated in straight sets, @6,
60. It was a real achievement for
the little man from Rice Institute,
who is ranked No. II nationally to
Hunts ninth, even though the lat
ter has played poorly since the start
Of the tournament.
In the Maidstone Clubs tourna-
ment at East Hampton, only two
quarter-final singles matches were
played yesterday. Sarah Palfrey of
Reno whipped Helen Germaine of
New York, 60, 60. and Pauline
Betz of San Francisco defeated Pat
Canning of Alameda, Calf, 6-3,
-2
Evening star., 1940-08-01
BY BURTON HAWKINS,
Star Staff Correspondent.

CHICAGO. Aug. 1.-Wasfington's
skeletonized pitching stan, operating
with an all-time low Of seven
hurlers will be reduced to six within
= week If present plans Of the Nxts
materialize. The move would send
Pitcher Joe Krakauskas to the
Browns in exchange for Outfielder
Chet Laabs In a waiver deal.
Manager Bucky Harris Of the Mats,
who long has fancied the diminutive
but powerful Laabs as a misman-
aged player, feels the st. Louis out
fielder never has been presented an
ample opportunity to click. With
Washington, says Harris, Laabs
would be installed as a regular and
given his chance.
No barrier to the proposed deal
is known to exist. Chicago has
claimed Krakky when his name has
been placed on the waiver list, but
st. Louis. in last place, would be
given preference over the White
Sox. Likewise, Philadelphia could
be the only club to block Laabs
coming to the sixth-place Mats and
it is considered unlikely the Ath-
letics would claim him.
'Ill say this much," offered Harris.
I'D be willing to 60 the remainder
of the season with six pitchers just
to obtain Laabs. With me as man.
ager of Washington next year he
would get real chance. Sure, he
Evening star., 1940-08-01
Griffmen Plan Trade of Krokky
For Loobs Through Waiver;
Capture Third Straight

| strikes out plenty. but he'll hit hard
and often If played regularly.
May Improve As Regular. M
"The boys spirit hasn't been
helped at st. Louis, but he can field,
throw and run bases. I grant that
figuring on him to provide consistent
lpmch Mt the plate would be q
gamble, but a discreet one. You'd
have to stick with Laabs for time,
perhaps, before he started to show
something, but I'm confident he II
hit If played every day.
Il may be wrong, but I'd say
Laabs can't miss if we're fortunate
enough to get him. And If he can
do what I think he's capable of
accomplishing, Washington would
have really solid type of player"
There is more to the transaction
than appears on the surface, Of
course. Laabs would be Washing
tons regular center fielder, with one
of the other Nat outfielders slated
to be traded for a pitcher before
the 194l campaign.
Gerald Walker looms as the most
likely candidate for the bartering
block. since he should command a
highly-regarded pitcher in exchange.
Walker, adjudged a player who
would be of tremendous value to a
winning team, isn't at his best with
a loser.
Chase Takes Third Straight.
Krakauskas, who never has justi-
fed the promise he displayed short
ly after reporting to the Mats in the
fall of 1885, still is searching for his
(See GRIFFMEN, Page D-4.)
Evening star., 1940-08-01
D. c. Golfer Plays Par 20 Copon Springs Course in 50
omo

States. Since 1922 the teams have
split $138,684 in prize money in
what we modestly call the daddy
of all baseball tournaments.
Any one of 10 clubs can win this
years meet-and probably will.
AS former Post wage slave
doesn't that make you homesick?
The line for reserved seats forms
on the right"-C. L. Poss) Par
sons, Post sports editor.
What, no passes?
Evening star., 1940-08-01
Cub Injury Jinx
Bring on
|Conscriiption
GoIan, Hortnett Join
Heavy Hospital List;
Bonuru Is Useless

CHICAGO, Aug. 1.-The injury
ridden Chicago Cubs, taking an idea
from Congress, may enlist their own
conscription plan soon.
And it may require draft OF one
of their farm clubs en- masse If the
present jinx continues.
Two more Cubs were relegated to
the sidelines yesterday, running the
current casualty list to five and the
seasons total to 13.
Even Manager Gabby Hartnett
hasn't escaped. He was hit on the
head yesterday by a bat as Mel
Mazzera of the Phillies swung all
around on a lusty cut. Hartnett left
the game, but was able to direct the
team from the bench.
Galan Bungs Both Knees.
Little Augie Galan, however, had
to be carried from the field. He
fractured his left knee cap and
severely injured his right when he
crashed into concrete barrier along
the left field foul line at Phila-
delphia while chasing q foul fly off
Herman Schultes bat. Team OIL
cials said both knees would be in a
cast for five weeks and it was be-
lieved he would be out for tie
season.
Also on the sidelines now are First
Baseman Glen Russell, recovering
from an appendectomy; First Base
man Phil Caverretta, who suffered
broken ankle for the second time
In two seasons, and Shortstop Bobby
Mattick, who last week wrencheG
his ankle.
Sore Wing Bothers Page.
Pitcher Vance Page has been
bothered recently by a sore arm
Earlier casualties this season in
cluded Third Baseman Stan Hack
first sidelined by an operation,
then struck on the head by a bat
ted bali; Outtfielder Hank Leiber, an
infected throat, and Pitchers Jake
Mooty and Clay Bryant, sore arms.
Dizzy Deans ailment also came TN
der the latter classification, but he
now is in the minors trying to per-
feet a new delivery.
But the 1910 woes of the Cubs
don't stop with injuries. The able
bodied Zeke Bonura. recently &C
quired first baseman, is available,
but his hitting has been so light
that Outfielder Leiber has been
switched to first.
Another disappointment Is Bill
Lee, the big hurler who has lost
| 13 games this season.
Evening star., 1940-08-01

next and they can have a shot at
Joe Louis in the fall"
Personalities: Howard Pollet,
19-year -old southpaw of the
Houston Bluffs, recently turned in
his second straight four-hitter
for his 17th win of the season.
Don't be surprised if Barney
Walls. snappy second sacker of
the Milwaukee Brewers, climbs
into a White Sox uniform. The
Montreal Daily Herald says the
Detroit Tigers paid $4,000 bucks
= for George Stainback, the hard
hitting Montreal outfielder. Hank
Borowy, the Newark nifty, will
be given a watch by his Bloom
field IN. j. admirers.
From the mailbag-"The Den
yer Posts 25th annual baseball
tournament, copied by many but
equalled by none, starts Thurs
day with 10 entries from nine
Evening star., 1940-08-01
By the Associated Press.

By the Associated Press.
CINCINNATI, Aug. They'll
carry Phil CRedD Ehret, oldtime
Cincinnati Red, to something more
than a pauper's grave today.
Red" as most every one knew
him back at the turn of the CEN
tury, died early this week in hos
pital, but until the 72-year-old re-
tired hurler's last illness the Ham
ilton County Home had been his
abode.
Mayor James Garfield Stewart
will speak-"Not preach the funeral,
you understand, he said today, "but
just to do what can for one of the
heroes OF my boyhood.'
Il saw Red Ehret in action in the
first big league game I ever
watched" the Mayor recalled. That
was in Cincinnati-and he dates
the incident as either 1896 or 1897,
when the tall and raw-boned hurler
worked under Buck Ewing.
Ehret would have gone TO potter's
field had it not been for friends.
He received small check monthly
from major league fund for in
digent players, but aside from that
about the only gold" he knew was
Evening star., 1940-08-01

young Washington ID. c. par
buster. comes up with the sea-
sons best golf score. Playing
the 6,028-yard Capon Springs
(W. Va0 par 10 golf course he
checked in with a fancy 50. He
had a 80 going out but came back
in ~ strokes, during which he
posted four brides and an eagle
in succession. His score card was
signed by E. H. Horton, an attor-
ney with the Department of JUS
tice, and by 1t. Col. c. B. Spruit,
M. c., U. S. A.
Today's guest star-Dan Des-
mond, Sioux City Uowa) Journal:
"On their fighting record to date
it looks as If the Dodgers have
given up on the world series as
signment. Mike Jacobs must have
told them to punch out decisions
over the Phillies and the Bees
Evening star., 1940-08-01
Sturs Yesterday
BY the Associated Press.


Ken Chase, Senators-Kept II hits
scattered effectively. and contributed
to his own offensive with two-run
homer
Clyde Shoun and Johnny Mize, Car
dinals-Former scattered seven hits
over IL innings to win first game
against Bees and latter hit home run
IN each encounter to raise seasons
Pinky Higgins. Tisers-His triple
with bases loaded in eighth was big
blow in thinning triumph over
Yankees
John Rizzo. Philles-Homered with
two aboard to point way to victory
over Cubs.
Ken Keltner and Russ Peters. In
dians-Former hit home run with bases
loaded in fourth inning against Red
Sox and latter. delivered pinch single
with bases loaded in eighth for tying
and winning runs.
Bureess Whitehead and Hank Dam
ming. Giants-Their home runs, each
with man on base in ninth inning,
beat Reds.
Bill Beckman. Athetics-Pitched
four-hit ball to subdue White Sox.
Evening star., 1940-08-01
CIemson's Payne
BY BILL WHITE,
Associated Press Sports Writer.

NEW YORK, Aug. 1.-Autum-
nal madness: Tim Mara OF the
New York pro football Giants
says his club'll be terrific again
II Mel Helm holds up.
In listing sophomore sensations
to watch this fall, head your list
with Clemson's Booty Payne.
Both Auburn's halfbacks, Carl
Happier and Bud Vending, are
reserve second lieutenants in
the United States Army Reserves.
Dauey O'Brien. the Philly phoot-
ball phlinger. has recovered from
that old appendicitis operation
and is as good as new.
Louis Sharpe, Oklahoma's
fangy end. boasts a straight "A"
scholastic average.
Golf goings-on: Jack Keele,
Evening star., 1940-08-01
Wisconsin Tens Rally
Beats Friendship, Sd

Three runs in the first inning
helped Wisconsin defeat Friendship,
S to 4. in Hot Shoppe League game
yesterday.
The winners outhit Friendship,
13 to 7, but were forced to score
once in the last frame to win. Holt
of Friendship led both teams at bat
with double and triple.
Evening star., 1940-08-01
Fans Save Red Ehret, OIdtime
Pitcher, From Potter's Field

gold-plated pass to any ball park
in the country, issued by the Ma
tional League in token of his long
service to the game.
But RED" seemed not to care for
the opportunities to revisit scenes
of his earlier triumphs.
Baseball circles recall that not so
long ago a friend suggested that he
attend a Reds game at Crosley
Field.
Ehret's gaze dropped as he raised
one foot
Haven't got any Shoes" he said.
''Nothin' but these slippers"
Evening star., 1940-08-01
BY the Associated Press.

SOUTHAMPTON, N. Y, Aug. L.
Bobby Riggs, who likes to make his
tennis matches look hard and often
annoys the gallery and his opponents
while he's doing it, seems to be
building up a court feud or two.
1t seems that when Bobby falls
behind, as he often does by loafing
through the first set or two, he likes
to change his playing equipment.
He tried that trick against Henry
Prusoff at Sea Bright, N. j., last
week and made Hank so mad he
asked for another crack at the ma
tional champion.
After losing the first set and
trailing by three games in the Sec
ond, Bobby halted the match,
changed leisurely from sneakers to
spiked shoes, then proceeded to beat
the frothing Prusoff. The Seattle
player decided then he'd like an
other chance at Riggs and asked to
be put into Bobby's half of the draw
in the current Meadow Club tourna-
ment
Another Typical Riggs Win.
They'll meet today in the quarter
finals, but Riggs got there only by
means of a comeback that made all
his previous ones look like practice
Bobby beat Eddie Alloo of Berkeley
Calf, ga, 4-6, IS, after he
missed elimination by a shot that
was only an inch wide.
Leading at 40 and So in the
final set, Aloo reached match point
twice. The second time he caught
Riggs hopelessly out of position with
an angle shot down the sidelines
Evening star., 1940-08-01
Sullivan Leeds Tru-BIu
In Beotinq Sailors

Tru-Blu held q S-to-0 softball
triumph over the U. S. S. Mayrant
today as a result of Billy Sullivan's
one-hit pitching at Ballston Stadium
last night.
The victory stopped Migrants
winning streak that had reached
SO games. Sullivan was hitless
until the seventh when Galloway
singled
Tru-Blu made seven hits, in
Guiding two doubles and a triple.
Evening star., 1940-08-01
Doyle Used His Foot Instead Of His Head

Kelley chair
miniatures
pass cigar Jiebug spoiled
Jterbug Keeys favorie Dalmatian
clumsy terbug
deaf When he began play Mr. the politely
told Utter blow hill off his
how to know? Doyle wondering himself
ployed a
hair hristEng
Doyle" he I prepared Pofah,
other ball
them wouldn't sell price
Good by"
Mr. Doyle reaed and returned Chicago shortstop
he Pofah. right guy
heap welcome roll than
they fitted him goats
not doing, either.