Evening star., 1940-01-16

that he called the assertion OF an
attorney in New York hearing
"a lie
Mr.. Seagle also conceded the truth
Of this extract from the record in
the Stromberg- Carlson case:
That he said to j. Frank Traynor,
attorney for IAN employees protector
association" Il am not going to
have the afternoon wasted by these
idiotic discussions.
The trial examiner interpolated
to the committee II might add that
Mr.. Traynor made clown of him
self throughout the hearing
He also admitted he charged the
attorney with making a farce OF
himself"
Mr.. Seagle, who is lawyer and
an author, denied that he called
any one "a liar
Did you not say to a lawyer for
the respondent, You know it is a
lie asked Edmund NJ. Toland,
committee counsel.
Il said that
wasn't that calling him a liar?"
Il conceive to be a liar one who
habitually makes false statements" F"
said Mr.. Seagle.
Called Comment "a Lie"
Mr.. Seagle explained that young
associate of T. Carl Nixon, counsel
for Stromberg- Carlson, had arisen
and charged him with conducting
the hearing in a disorderly way
and allowing spectators to call out
from the courtroom, and he had
called the comment "a lie"
Il did not know who he was" said
the trial examiner. Il think his
name is Stern. He was not entered
in the record as an attorney In the
case. He might have been a spec
tator Later I learner that he was
a lawyer.
Il mentioned further" Mr.. Seagle
told the committee, that both
counsel for the company and for
the Employees Protective Associa-
ton behaved in a most unprofes-
sional manner" at the hearing.
AMY WSAS OdlUlIlk
me and the board" the witness
added.
"Mr Traynor insulted me in open
court"
Mr.. Seagle also admitted he once
told counsel at the hearing:
"Fo- Gods sake, will you resume
the hearing"
DO you consider your conduct of
the Stromberg Carlson hearing was
that Of fair and impartial trial ex-
aminer?" Mr.. Toland demanded.
Il don't think the question of fair
ness or impartiality entered into it."
said Mr.. Seagle.
The committee counsel appealed
to the chairman to make the witness
give responsible answers"
He has answered the question, 4"
said Chairman Smith. He has said
fairness and impartiality did not en-
ter into it."
Seagle Protests Extracts.
Mr.. Seagle protested that reading
certain extracts from the Strom-
berg Carlson record did not give a
fair impression of the hearing.
Mr.. Toland brought out that Mr..
Seagle was called on the carpet" by
the board for some of his language
at the hearing.
Attached to Mr.. Seagles written
explanation of the episodes, a pen
ciled notation signed ~. w. M"
identified as j. Warren Madden,
chairman of the Labor Board) said:
Il think this was not the language
that the occasion called for"
Mr.. Seagle, now in the review Sec
ton of the trial examiners division,
has not been presiding at hearings
since the Stromberg Carlson case
stirred discussion in the N. L. R. B..
Washington Office, Mr.. Toland
brought out, though that was not
the last case he heard.
Received Degrees.
Trial Examiner Seagle said earlier
he received an academic degree from
the College Of the City of New York
and law degree from Columbia
IN 1922. After practicing law in
New York several years he became
editor Of the Encyclopedia of Social
Sciences and after that devoted him.
self largely to literary work. He has
published three books on sociological
and legal subjects, he said, and con-
tributed to magazines. He has been
with the Labor Board since April,
1887.
Since last July, he said, he has
been reviewing cases of other trial
examiners. He defined this duty as
going over the record of hearings
to determine whether the trial ex-
aminer's findings were sustained by
the evidence.
Where he differs with conclusions
OF the trial examiner, the witness
said, there are conferences with the
man who presided at the hearing in
ar effort to iron out their differ
ences.
In two out of eight or ten cases
he reviewed, he said, there were NO
substantial differences between him.
self and the trial examiners-in the
others there were.
Mr.. Seagle admitted, under the
committee counsel's questions, that
three respondents (employers) had
criticized before Senate committee
his conduct as trial examiner.
Sought to Protect Records.
Evidence that a trial examiner for
the board tried to protect officers OF
its st. Louis Office from a threatened
probe of their personal records and
views incident to charges of the Ford
Motor Co. of that city that N. L. r
B. agents had "conspired" with the
G. I. o. was before the committee to-
day as testimony of other trial ex-
aminers began.
Tilford E. Dudley, the first trial
examiner to be called by Mr.. Toland,
tHstifled late yesterday that he ex-
dluded testimony regarding the al
BED conspiracy from hearings IL,
t@e case Of the G. I. o. against Ford