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The Tacoma times. [volume] (Tacoma, Wash.) 1903-1949, 1940-11-28
GOOD TASTE TODAY

Johnny come and not the sshsrr
would naturally cause . lot 81
hurt feelings
Doiiies Under Food
Dear Mrs. Post May . paper
dolly be put under q block Of Ice
er.Ami thought read on. time
In your column that paper Ia not
used on individual plates n the
food 10 he put directly on top
might make mess N this ls
what you wrote. then would you
consider that lee cream would
make . msssT
Answer Yes stiil ssrss with
what ! wrote. tina, the best rule
10 NOT % put food on . dolly
particularly = linen dolly But I
think . hard mold ~ Ice cream
N served on . flat plate 10 an ss.
osp,lon. ] myself always use .
desp-rifnmsd glass dessert plate
for Ice cream. ard ! wouldn't like
paper on this. But for those who
serve fancy mods or small bricks
Of Ice cream On . fiat plate At
parties. would consider the paper
doiliss proper In fact. ! even
think a paper dolly mirh, proven,
ihs Ice cream from moving .tound
on the smooth plate But spoon.
fuls u sOft 80 cream would 10
smother matter.
The Tacoma times. [volume] (Tacoma, Wash.) 1903-1949, 1940-11-28
Christmas Just Isn't Complete
Without English Plum PUDDING

Christms. dinner without an
English plum pudding Issst lsnt =
real Christmas dinner n . ire
msndous number ~ persons IN
America. This Is horne out hy the
fact that the America Imports
more than ons.thlrd II all the Eng.
ush plum ruddinss made for en-.
port.
Fer those of Us who like te make
our own No suggest the following
recipe that came down through tho
years 10 ~ from our English great
grandmother. We have modern
ised II only In the use ~ the utsn-
oil. because nc dislike sntlausted
equipment and the need Of hover
Ing around q hot range. ~s use .
copper clad stainless steel double
boiler. the copper gives us . fast
even heat over an extremely iow
flame. and during tho four hours n
takes 20 boil our pudding We have
been known IN trot out ta do our
marketing. pick up our Christmas
Knitting, and only poke our heads
Into the kitehen oncs In . chile Ia
he certain that the water has not
boiled away,
ENGLISH PLUM PUDDING
= cups Of finely eheppa1 ssses
oups NJ sugar
The Tacoma times. [volume] (Tacoma, Wash.) 1903-1949, 1940-11-28
Gifts That Make Them Feel "GrO,Jp Popular With
You Will Find Many Sophisticated Presents Christmas Lists Older Boys and

Gifts that ~ili give Them that
sxrown-ap" feeling sna even =
little sense - -sophi.tlcatien -
are what tsen-sgs eoys ard Firls
~snt fer CHRISTMAS
Glrix from Is Il ~ pant lovely
underwear. lightly scented eoaegne
IN beautiful containers. luxurious
cakes q hath soap ard other hath
ard beauty preparations. dress.ur
clothes. sweaters ard ether things
Il wear hsi ss her mother and
older sisters do
BOYS In their teens Ike their
father. and elder erothers. ~ant
equipment and clothes 10 further
interest IN hobbies and adult
games
INV GAMES
ron YOUNGSTERS
For girls. silk crepe psjsmss
with a separate. pocke,ed apron
that ties IN the hack in = bow are
new. SO are white suede mlttsns.
riped with gold sidskin. for eve
ming parties.
Daughter would love = pair 81
evening or afternoon party sandals
The Tacoma times. [volume] (Tacoma, Wash.) 1903-1949, 1940-11-28

Any teen ooe younos,er.
boy or girl. would love 10 find
this oonoertino under the
Christmas tree. |, would be O
nice ideo 10 include with O
eonesr'ino o GIFT order for o
short course OF lessons.
or slippers in a new transparent
plastic. There are matching haas
with inserts 81 the transparent
material.
She'll he pleased 10 find In her
Christmas stocking a box contain
Ing n long rope of pearls and two
or three equally long strands Of
colored glass beads These shs'ii
twist together and wear in various
ways with both sweaters and
dresses Also in the jewelry cate
CORY are interesting clips Of wood
and combinations Of wood and
metal.
For youngsters Of both scenes
there are new parlor games that
every member Of the family. In
Guiding parents. will enjoy. Circle
CANNON is quicker and easier than
backgammon. and because the cir
cular board makes the game equal
fun for two. three or four. It's q
good investment for family fun
Hi-ro IL another easy-to-learn new
conner that's played with individual
trays Of numbered blocks. Treasure
hunt Ia = best selling. fast moving
game which any number Of people.
from two 10 sixteen. may play.
Although the 'tsen-age oontin-
gent may feel very conscious Of
their new sophistieation. you can
The Tacoma times. [volume] (Tacoma, Wash.) 1903-1949, 1940-11-28
Most Men Are
Well-Croomed

the reason why many . wife 81
. successful man Isn't as attractive
as her husband 10 that shs Isn't
nearly 90 sofupslous - he IL about
good grooming
lie wouldn't think ~ not shay.
ing before going out lsist ans eve.
ming. yet abe will pat OF having
her hair SGT ard try 10 make tbs
old wave do Just fsv more days
Ne wouldn't dream ~ Eoans osst
without putting IN . sissn shirt
hut shs often wears white hl3uss
. second time
DE doesn't 10 srounf In shoes
vhieh dsfinitsly need shire Vet
shs viii put or taking her sasas
shoes n the shoe shop for . pro.
fsssionsl cleaning even though shs
realizes they ara too far gone 10
respond 10 hsr wire os sponge
brush.
Hs si~sys carries an sxtra
handkerchief. but aha usually
starts out with only ons and has
npsiick on n in no sims fiat
His clothes always are perfectly
pressed. Hhs Isn't half - psstlea-
lar on this score.
Hs combs has hair frequently
sn0gKh 20 Keep D, smooth and
NEAT Hers may &c, wind blown
snd stay that way for hours
iis won't 20 out ~ the hauss
until somsgns s.ss the button en
hls coat shsil reach for . safety
pm ehsn a shoulder strap breaks.
The elastic hand 10 . hat IL iooss
% hem starts fsillns do~n
DE .mptiss his packets every
aight and neat morning puts hAex
1niy ~hat 10 nssds sns ssid0m
taxes everything ga, II her psifss.
and are ~ealdn't dream ~ carry.
ina only ssys. monsY. hsDassr-
anisfs e eohas. . pen. ard makeup.
When bis face ls dinKr Ne washes
u hbs makes . habit ~ Try
ina 10 conceal dinsinsss with paw
dsr and otbsr makeup.
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CHAPTER EIGHTEEN


The next two months were 50
busy that Faith had little time to
suffer over her bhghted romance
She was really interested in her
job now. Approaching the lovely
clothes she modelled, her taste was
daily becoming more diserimin-
ating
She learned to know at sight the
lines and oolors which would be
flattering to her And although
the amount she had TO spend was
limited. what she did buy WAS
chosen with a knowledge of style
and value which would have been
impossible 10 her a year ago.
Never had she had more use for
varied wardrobe. Hartley Vance
continued his attentions and
showed his preference for her go
ciety so plainly that hostesses
anxious to secure his presence
included Faith.
This meant dinner dresses which
could be worn frequently without
being too conspicuous. II also
called for sport clothes for coca
sional week-ends at the country
homes OF Hartley's friends.
II was amazing, Faith admitted
To Miss Van, how quickly one
could become accustomed to lux
ury. For the first time she could
understand something Of Daphnes
point OF view. II was such relief
TO get away from the city on Sat
urday evenings. Her bag was
packed the night before with
everything she would need so that
The Tacoma times. [volume] (Tacoma, Wash.) 1903-1949, 1940-11-28
ny EMILY POST

A derby IL a daytime hst-eor-
rect with business clothes, also
correct with semi-formal black
sack coat and striped trousers
II IL sAid 10 be the hail mark %
a New Yorker and worn by com.
paratiyely few others. whether
this IL true or merely a ssy-so. !
don't know In any case. a derby
II not suitable with cutAwsy or
for evening a black Homburg IL
worn both day and evening. Per
sonally. | prefer a dark gray stuff
Homburg 20 soft black Hombory.
but both are admittedly correct.
This IL In answer 10 a letter from
a bricegroom-to-bei
Leave Children ~ Hour.
Dear Mrs. Post I want 10 give
party and am including some u
our best friends who usually bring
their small children when they
come 10 spend the evening prinoi-
psliy because they have 10 make
arrangements beforehand 10 leave
them With somsOn. am very
much afraid they viii bring the
children 10 this party. and I don't
want them 70. II s1ll spoil all my
plans. BIT how can ! tell them
without running the chAnc. n
hurting their fssiingsg
Anfwsr. II might be simple
enough 10 explain when inviting
such parents that you would Ike
b include All the children. bit
can't this tims n one u your
friends tells you shs cant cou.
otherwise the only thing 10 ssy 10
that you are sorry. bat that % let
The Tacoma times. [volume] (Tacoma, Wash.) 1903-1949, 1940-11-28
TEST ANSWERS

Below are the answers TO test
questions printed on editorial page
/. Six months
2. Ak-kli' MATTE
8. Medal of Honor.
4. New York first; Philadelphia
second.
D. Steel
6. Frederic Barthoidi.
7. Weaker.
s. Martha cambridge
g. Senate and House OF Repre-
sentatives.
10 Raphael.
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Dear Miss Grey: We all make
mistakes but I was startled by
your advice to the young lady
who questioned you about the ad-
visibility OF marrying a man
whose likes and dislikes were the
opposite from hers. Let me tell
You from two years Of actual ex-
perience. that it does not work out
Tor the best.
Ny husband is flightv and easy
toing while I am inclined 10 be on
the quiet side. although I do like
10 have a good time. Here are a
few Of our differences
He loves to play cards and man
ages to 30 out one night a week.
leaving me and the baby yes. il
makes lot Of difference when
there is baby and you can't get
OUT by ourselves. He does not get
in until early the next morning.
disregarding his promises 10 be
home early the night before.
He doesn't like my friends who
enjoy a quiet evening Of CONVERSE
ton His friends are the type
who always drag out q card table
the minute one enters the front
door. They drink, swear and keep
late hours.
Most of his sleeping is done
during the day and at night
he is ready to 20 again. His
clothes are everywhere: ashes and
tobacco are dropped wherever con-
venient.
He can't even 90 10 show
without wandering off until morn
ing. He plays taxi TO his friends
but mine aren't worth the gas"
He invites people to dinner with
out my consent, and then they
forget to come. He goes for walks
in the evening, never dreaming Of
asking me to go along.
Miss Grey. you said laugh at
his mildly amusing comments, get
him to take you to a show or
dance'-just try it when the hus-
band in question has had his way
for 30 years or more. ! have now
become nag and unfit to
stay with" because I have tried
10 change him. It's all to no avail,
however, so just sit home and
take II. MRS. NJ. NJ.
Dear Mrs. NJ. M: Much OF
what you have To say In your
letter Is true but you over
looked very important part Of
nv answer. In the letter TO
which you refer / said SOP
posites often attract each other
and as long rs the two Of you
are congenial and respect each
others likes and dislikes. j see
no reason why your marriage
should not he a complete sue
The Tacoma times. [volume] (Tacoma, Wash.) 1903-1949, 1940-11-28

A sure 10 be appreciated
gift for young girls IS this REQ
sonobly priced. sterling silver
brocele, with tive silver heor,s
donolino from II. Charlotte.
fomous designer OF ieweIy.
mode u especially for Christ
mos.
real electric motors are news With
one Of these. the is-ysar-oid can
make clothes for tho members Of
her younger sisters doll family ss
well AZ clothes for herself
The Tacoma times. [volume] (Tacoma, Wash.) 1903-1949, 1940-11-28
Sssfood Sslsd DRESSING

An especially ,ssty dressing 10
serve With tssfoo8 SALADS 10 made
~ SIMPLY adding chopped ripe
olives ami chilli sauce % a mayor
nsiss ssss quarter cup earn 81
chill sauce snd ripe olives 70 ons
cup ~ msyonnslss
The Tacoma times. [volume] (Tacoma, Wash.) 1903-1949, 1940-11-28
Reader Disagrees With Statement
Opposites Attract One Another
Neglected 70 Take Into Consideration That p.riie.
In Question Must Respect Others Interests
By CYNTHIA GREY

Its always refreshing 10 receive letter from person
VINO dlSagreeS with something that has appeared in this
column for the simple that II is stimulating learn
anothers point of view Not long letter from one
VINO signed herself Engaged printed here She was
soon to wed quiet serious in his middle thirtie who
was very much the correspondents opposite
She advised that her decision to marry this man
In all probability, wise since is known that
opposltes often attract opposes. Now letter to
this desk from Mrs NJ. NJ who heartily dsagrees. Her
reasons are Incorporated in the following letter:
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count On their enthusiasm fes par
lar spef,s that cal Cor sstion rcia-
nc bowling alleys varying fsca
.lx fee, 10 tau feet. srs ipso fsvor-
tie. some a thes- have . device
for setting ~ n. rin. A ns~ set
u a. hall foids away neatly IN .
Suitcase
OAR eoafds srs using card faces.
hig game snimsis self courses.
baseball. ducks ard slfpisns. q.
the basis - workmanship eomp<-
tiiien. Guns that shoot raehsr
hands ard soctian cap dsrss az.
used sith many - these
Honny FAyoRfrps
FoR FATHER AND SON
Fer boy. vita hobbies. consider
the ds Mse aiFplane building set.
Every tyre az plane n the United
states has been used for an air
plane construction MI. nos, eulia-
lng and model train eonstructicn
kits and carpentry tools are basic
hobby favori,ss fer father and an
play.
Teen sse daughters vii Ike
electric wcodbarnlns sets o. enc a.
the new had ieoms ina, makes
charm jewelry ard coasters Glass
painting, metal tapping kits and
tapestry looms are hsndcrsft bob
hes that are both run and rrse-
teal
The junior sewing machines With
The Tacoma times. [volume] (Tacoma, Wash.) 1903-1949, 1940-11-28

cess Ny entire advice was
based upon the fact that the
husband and wife would have TO
he congenial toward one another
and respect zach Others llkes
and disliLcs.
NV answer. therefore. would
not apply In YOUR case since
your husband evidently dces not
respect your interests.
Dear Miss Grey. II any OF your
readers have any bedding or furni.
ture Of any kind that they do moi
need. II would be greatly Appreci-
ated BY young couple Of ny &C.
quaintance with two small chill
dren. They need them very badly
and cannot afford TO buy them
II anyone wishes to help this
couple they can call Proctor Pass
It can be arranged for the articles
to be called for. b. J. A.
Dear Miss Grey: Can you find
out for me how 10 moisten my
fruit cake. II is too dry
MRS. c. l. f.
Dear Mrs. c. l. T.: Have you
tried sealing your fruit cake in
an alright crock? Also. YOU
might wrap a clean cloth preyi-
ously moistened In wine (prefer-
ably port. A third method II
10 steam the fruit cake just
before you intend serving II.
Dear Miss Grey: Can you tell
me why some home canned goods
after being tested and sealed for
several months. are spoiled when
they are opened? MRS. r. c.
Dear Mrs. Il. G: II il usually
caused by small particles OF
meat, fruit or vegetables on the
sealing edge of tho jar where II
comes In contact with the seal
ing composition and disinie-
CRATES. permitting air TO enter.
Bacteria which was not entirely
destroyed by processing may be
come active. thus causing the
seal to release.
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The week after Daphne was
married. he telephoned. suggesting
another date. He was feeling very
much at loose ends and In need Of
just such gay companionsblp AZ
Sybil had offered.
The sight Of Faith on her way
10 another engagement with Hart
ley did much TO blot out the deal
istic feeling he once had cher
ished for her. Faith was looking
more sophisticated every time h.
saw her.
Lee couldn't imsgin. her marry
ing the boy be had seen with her
during the holidays Undoubtedly
she would BE- willing 10 call Il off
II she could win man like
Hartley Vance Modern girls were
evidently ell alike in spite Of rs
original Idea that Path was
different
Daphne was good Example u
what a little girl from the country
would 10 The more Lee thought
about u n. more ne coalld see
that Fsiths intsres, IN him had
bsen an ambitious attempt 10 40
Continued On Pare -. Column -
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BACKACHE?
Try flaskiag Excess Pssssns
And Add Thru kldn<ys
AAd stop Getting W Nishts
Is CENTS PROVES 1T

wbsn your kidnsys ara ossstsHs1
burns. yea may need Cod Asd2i
Hssflsm Oh Capsules. a hns harmless
stirnsiant ana diufstiG that starts %
work AZ ones ana coats but a. cents
a. sny modern drssstoFs.
It's sns good safe way 20 put more
healthy activity intO kldnsys and
bladder you should sleep more
soundly the whole nlzht through. hut
bs sure 10 get GOLD MEDAL,-if's .
genuine medicine Tor weax kidneys
Doa A1ospt . Substitute. cav,
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DOLL.

DOLL PATTERN 2S7S
Dollnokino is ol~oys fun. Sort tns costly sewn
doll with yorn curs okes tte ootero FOR her ond her
clothes Her odoshoned costume will n0oke her eqooy pop
ulo os decoration toy Christmas Poern ZS/5 contons
pottern ond directions FOR making the znch DOL ond
clothes. nnoteros required Send cents ond ore
oH token tor this pottern The Tocoro Times croft
Dept Wrte ponY pottern nlnnber ono oodress
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Pit al dry ingredients into .
mixing ho~i. put In eggs one ~
one. eseh being mined thoroughly
with the other ingredients befnss
ths nest ans v added Nest 10
foiio~ 10 the milk. mnlsasss. ne
brandy and spices Ne cersain ~
grease the casserole top a. shs
aoahis boiler thoroughly. pow IN
ingredients. siiow . little rrcm 10
s~sli. Put m the dsuhls ssslsv.
keep the wsiss always 81 . bati-
inG r"inf. snf bosi far four heuyx
when sending u the tshis ssIss .
sprsH az holly In the sop. 81 ths
tahls pour over tire pudding .
quarter eupfal ~ brandy az run.
and set fire 10 u. serves .
PLUM ruDOsno sAuCg
cook tossshsr . sspsui Al sssss
and = cup ~ water until the syrup
spins . thread. Bsst the yoiks a.
thrss eggs until ismea eolsrsd ssa
thiss and pour ths hat syrup osss
,nsm. beating ell ths Tina Add .
eupful az cream. aas fsssp<-ps
lemon juice and tSo sabssspoonfssis
u brandy. strain sna serve H.
msdlstsly.
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! esp shssee~1 ss~sgD fss
is~sssl pe~s
!, rsp wss,sss>s
: eara see<1t~ss s.iGAas
I tsp. stnsswsss
= suus fhess Whites 80 yss1sws
separately N ee.1ee1l
: cups ~ psepsspA sssws
! ~sp ~ shsess1e1 ssss~s
y cup essaIss sttcs1 enasvsss
!, cup ~ milf
: saps sssvs~ss
! Yep. sstssss
7. cop ~ sssssy
The Tacoma times. [volume] (Tacoma, Wash.) 1903-1949, 1940-11-28
Board and Room Girls
BY VIDA HURST

Hartley would not wait when he
called for her.
Refreshing Comfort
After the long days work she
could slip into the refreshing COM
fort OF another gRyer world. No
longer working girl but a charm
ing. poised young woman. the
chosen companion of one OF the
most prominent attorneys In the
state
II amused Faith 10 see other
men who for one reason or another
wanted Hartley's cooperation, try
ing TO please him by being stten-
tive TO her. The wives. who might
otherwise have been jealous.
flattered her with lack OF subtle
~ which did not deceive the tall
quiet girl who wore such stun
ming" clothes. But, Of course. why
shouldn't she. my DEAR She's q
model you know. They say hs
never goes anywhere without her
So II you want him TO accept
you'll have TO ask her. too"
II was all a game and while II
lasted she might as well enjoy H.
But Faith realized that few men
in his position would have shown
their preference for her company
as openly as Hartley did.
When she spoke 10 him about II
he replied, IF I don't take you
with me. I'd only be able 10 see
you about once In two weeks. Be-
sides they ought 10 be glad 10
include you. A beautiful. intelli-
gent girl In an asset TO any party
He gave her plenty OF credit and
he Was both oonsiderate and kind.
The more she knew him the
better she liked him. but her emo
tons remained unstirred.
She told herself II she couldn't
have Lee Brent sh. would never
marry any man Yet never had
Lee belonged 10 her less than now.
sybil had been night In her pre-
diotion that he would return her
invitation 10 the theatsr.
The Wrangell sentinel., 1940-04-26
F0uNn

Vote for Jim Davis
The Wrangell sentinel., 1940-04-26
MORE ABOUT TOTEM POLE

(Coutinued from page one) his grandfather. cried all the time. The grandfather eonsoled him by telling him that half a canoe would be his salvation
 We'll out to sea, the doctors rela- tives began unloading the doctors belongings over into the water. When the mat was placed on the water the doctor stepped on it and 1T began to reyolve and disappeared under the waves. As soon as the mat had revolved out of sight a strong south wind arose breaking the canoe in half and all the relatives perish ed except the grandson who was blown ashore in half of the canoe.
 The center figure on the totem, the figure clasping the adze, is Ma ehee-su-na. He is the dominating figure on the pole because it was he who created the black fish between himself and the unfortunate doctor
 Double West Rock
 Off Cape Chaeon there is a large TOEk. tDOuOIe N GSI EloGh1 p 8 It'll many sea lions on it. No one could climb this rock but Na-ehee-su-na. who was the swiftest runner on snow shoes among his people He said he would climb the rock. Fit ting his snow shoes with sheep horns to keep them from slipping, Ma chee-su-na's people padded him out to the base of the cliff and Na-ehee- su-na made good his boast. His peo- pie. ashamed Of themselves. padded away and left the young man on the rocks.
 Alone, atop the cliff, Na-chee-su- na lay down and slept for two days Finally, voice awakened him, say ing, I'll come after youa and Ma chee-su-na discovered the voice came from a seagull. It was low tide and the sea gull took Na-chee-su-na down the beach where there was a lot of kelp uncovered by the tide.
The Wrangell sentinel., 1940-04-26

Vote for Jim Davis. adv.
The Wrangell sentinel., 1940-04-26

eagle lthe top figure of the polel towing a seal ashore. seow-qua took his paddle and hit the eagle over the head and started away with the seal. The seal regafned consciousness and begged for a little piece Of seal meat but the hunters refused. The eagle. becoming angry said then neither should Seow-qua or the oth- CT men have the seal meat.
 "As you round the first point. ;" the eagle said. "the man in the bow Of the canoe shall die. Around the next point, the man in the middle Of the canoe shall die and you. Scow- qua will go back 10 the village and tell the news then you. too. will die"
 True enough all this did come about and the Na-chee-su-na pole was created to record the story as a lesson for generations that followed.
 Next week the Sentinel will bring the story Of the two smaller totems before Shakes House.
The Wrangell sentinel., 1940-04-26
PLANE NEWS

Pilot Tony sehwamm Of Ihe Pe- tersburg Air Service had a busy week with traffic between Wrangel1 and his headquarters town of Pe- tarsBurg. Last Saturday he took N. H. Kepler 10 Petersburg and brought Jack Gueker back on the return trip Mesdames B. '. Grant. T. J. Me Bride and M c. Shaiu were passen- gers from Nrangeu to Petersburg and returned Sunday. Sunday also. Bob Summers, Vera Summers and Lee Drake were roundtrippers from Petersburg.
 Monday. Pilot Schwamm brought Frances and Raymond Wheeler in from Petersburg and flew Jim Davis back on the return trip.
 Tuesday evening he flew Sydney Dennison to the Viking City.
 Wednesday, MT. and Mrs. Geo. Ga gaguehi and N. 4. MaeEachran went to Petersburg. The Gagaguehis were roundtrippers and 4. L. Florence made a third passenger on the re- turn trip. Irl Thatcher went from Wrangeu to Petersburg on the last trip Of the day.
 Thursday Pilot SchWamm brought Stanley zuern from Petersburg and took John Coulter and Orville Keen ey to Toms Lake, then to Virginia Lake fishing. lNo fisb.)