The Waterbury Democrat., 1939-04-06

@. Did you correct them at the suggestion of anybody? A. No.
 Q. Did you correct them at the suggestion of County Detective Hickey? A. No.
 Q. Did you testify before the grand jury on your last appearance that you had a conversation with MT. Hickey?
 A. don't recall. Sought Seek
 Q. Wasn't it a fact that you did have a conversation with MT. Hickey?
 A. Yes, sir.
 0. Did you seek MT. Hickey out2 A. I did.
 0. And where did you meet him? A. called him at his office and he made the appointment and l went over to see him.
 o. You knew, didn't you, that MT. Alcorn was the states attorney? Didn't you?
 A. Yes.
 Q. And that MT. Hickey was only the county detective?
 A. Yes, sir.
 Alcorn: Don't put in the word "only". He is the county detective in this county.
 Murray: Your vision isn't as wide as you think.
 Alcorn: If you want more, I'll give you more. Murray: More of what? Alcorn: MT. Hickey.
 Heard Enough
 Murray: Perhaps we have heard too much of him already.
 o. So you voluntarily went te MT. Hickey?
 A. Right.
 o. MT. Hickey wasn't in the grand jury room when you testified falsely on the first occasion that you went there? Was he?
 A. No.
 o. And you didn't tell MT. Hickey what you testified to in the grand jury room?
 A. No. I didn't.
 Q. And you didn't tell anybody else, did you?
 A. Yes, did.
 0. Whom did you tell?
 A. I talked it over little with my counsel.
 Q. Did you know that you took an oath before the grand jury moi to disclose anything that was asked of you before the grand jury?
 A. Yes. didn't think 1t in. cluded counsel.
 o. You took an unqualified oath didn't you, not to discuss any ques- ton or any answer made before the grand jury. Isn't that true? A. Yes.
 Objection by Alcorn.
 Keep Secret
 @. Did you take this oath: DC you solemnly swear that the evil dence you shall give concerning this investigation shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth; and that you will foreve, keep secret whatever transpires dur ing any session of this grand jury while you are present; so help you God?" A. don't seem to recall
 0. You have no recollection? Do you remember the foreman saying to you after you said T do," ''ir accordance with the instructions o1 the court, MT. Williamson, I in- struct and inform you no disclosure of anything said or done here is tC be made, and if anyone seeks in- formation from you, you shall de- port it to MT. Alcorn so that we may proceed with contempt pro ceedings."
 A. No. I don't recall.
 @. You have been attended by your counsel during all sessions o1 this court?
 A. That's right.
 @. You pleaded not guilty to the charge laid against you in this in- formation?
 A. Correct.
 o. You still are under your ples of not guilty?
 A. That's right.
 o. And I suppose you believe yol are guilty?
 A. That is a matter for the cour to decide.
 Q. I'm asking you what your be lief is?
 A. That is matter for the cour to decide.
 o. I'm asking you whether o not you believe that you are guilt of the crime of conspiracy or yo don't believe that you're guilty c the crime of conspiracy.
 A. No. I don't.
 @. You do not. In other words you think now that before the laN you're innocent? Is that right?
 A. Yes. I may have been guilt of violating a statute but not guilt of conspiracy.