davidaulloa/AmericanStories huggingface dataset:
Evening star., 1939-09-13
Bar Silver Price
Cut to 36 Cents
Per Ounce
BY the Associated Press.

BY the Associated Press.
NEW YORK, Sept. 13.-The war
boom in commodities side-stepped
silver, aged-old speculative favorite
Of Oriental traders.
Bullion dealers today quoted i'm
ported silver at SO cents an ounce,
down three-quarters of a cent since
Friday
Metal circles suggested one reason
silver was overlooked in the buying
stampede may have been that
Chinese spectators, noted for their
operations in silver during the World
War, were pre-occupied with their
own war.
India, rated the greatest market
for silver, showed a brief furry of
buying interest recently after the
United States Treasury lowered it's
bid to 35 cents an ounce for foreign
sold silver, dealers said.
Evening star., 1939-09-13
Jersey City Livestock

JERSEY CITY. N J.. Sept 13 P-
Omitted States Department of Agriculture
Cattle. salable, 240; total, 44O. Steers
Slow, steady to weak, spots % lower: few
9.oo-9 35: part load trucked in Pennsyl-
vanias, 1850. Cows and bulls fairly active,
mostly steady Medium cows 1907 .25;
cutter and common. 5000 90: Gamers.
4.n0-4.15. Good sausage bulls, 1905. 90:
odd head S.25: medium, 650-7 .25: cutter
and common. 575-6.25
VealerS and calves, salable so: total
S4n. Vealers scarce. about steady: good
and CHOICE nesrbyS. 10.50-13: 00; common
and medium. 500. 1000: culls. 6.00-S. 90.
lot good and choice 257-pound Southerns
s:I2 common and medium, $780,. 90:
Evening star., 1939-09-13
General Tire
Loses Two
Polish Plants

AKRON, Ohio, Sept. l3 P)-
General Tire & Bubber Co. an
nounced today its Polish representa-
tive reported the General-operated
plant at Poznan had been destroyed
by Poles and a new plant at Debica
had fallen into German hands.
Owned by Stomil, Inc, govern
ment-controlled Polish rubber mon
oply, the two plants were operated
by General under a profit sharing
arrangement.
Evening star., 1939-09-13
Foreign Exchange

NEW YORK, Sept. 13 0P.-Sterling
wea akened slightly in the foreign exchange
market today. The able rate was O2 a
changed at 80 The beisa gained ain 6>os O. ut Of
q cent. The Swiss franc was unchanged
The Canadian dollar was off O.25 of cent
at 9o.S7l2 The mark was unquoted
Noon rates follow: Great Britain in dol
lars, others in cents. Cheat Britain. de-
mand, 4.0l12: Great Britain. cables. O2;
6o-day bills 400: 90-day bills. 3 90: Can
ada. Montreal in New York. 90S7i2
Canada New, York in Montreal 1O9 l212:
Belgium. 1715; Denmark, 1885 Finland
zoo: France. $50; Greece. 0.S0n; Hungary
Is. son; Italy. 5.21 n: Netherlands. Sail:
Norway, 22.10; Poland. 1S. son: Portugal
8. I5n: Rumania. 0.10n; Sweden, 23S5;
Switzerland, %. .65: Argentina (officaD
unouoted: Argentina freel $40; Mexico
I9.95n; Japan, 23.52n; Hong Kong, 25.3S.
Shanghai. 7.05: Yugoslavia, 22Sn.
Rates, in spot cables unless otherwise
indicated
n Nominal
Evening star., 1939-09-13
D. & R. 6. Management
Opposes |. c. c. Plan
BY the Associated Press.

BY the Associated Press.
The management of the Denver &
Rio Grande Western Railroad OBJ
jected today to the Interstate Com
merce Commission plan of reor-
ganization for that carrier.
The railroad management FLED
brief asking the I. C. c. to revise the
plan, saying it was unjust and in
equitable" because it 'discriminates
unfairly in favor of certain creditors
and fails to conform to the require
ments of the law
The brief contended that the COM
missions plan arbitrarily. without
lawful valuation and without war
rant of law" proposed to limit the
capitalization of the reorganized
company to $147,4 1854.
A signaHa stop-no ticket-no
cop.
Evening star., 1939-09-13
Zinc Sellers Boost
Price to 6H Cents
BY the Associated Press.

bS UTE H5sOCIdCeu PfeS5.
NEW YORK, Sept. 13.-Zinc SELL
ers have raised the price of the
metal to GA cents a pound, up Y
from the previous quotation, deliv-
cred at East st. Louis. The price
is up IL cents on the war advance
since September /, making it the
highest since October, 1887.
Evening star., 1939-09-13
New York Metal

NEW YORK. Sept 13 0P.-copper.
steady; .electrolytic spot 1900; export.
75.0On; forward, unauoted. Lead. steady;
spot New York, 5.50-55: East St Louis
o.35. Zinc. steady: East st. Louis, spot
ana forward. 6.25 Pig iron No. ?. fob.
Eastern Pennsylvania. 90 90; Buffalo.
II 90; Alabama. 1898 Quicksilver. 140. 90
10000. Domestic scheelite, 1s.00n. ALUMNI
mum. antimony and Chinese wolframite
UNCHANGED. Platinum, unquoted.
Nominal
Evening star., 1939-09-13
Goodrich Co. Names
CoIIyer President
By the Associated Press.

By the Associated Press.
NEW YORK. Sept. 13.-B. F..
Goodrich Co. announced yesterday
the election of John Lyon Collyer
as president replacing S. B. Robert
son, resigned. Collyer has been
director of manufacturing opera
tions for Dunlop Co., Ltd, British
rubber concern.
Evening star., 1939-09-13
Electric Production
Declines Slightly
From Previous Week
Drop for Period, Which
Included Holiday, Is
Less Thon Expected
BY the Associated Press.

BY the Associated Press.
NEW YORK, Sept. 13.-The Ma
tons electric power production in
the week ended September 8, which
included Labor Day, totaled 2,289,-
100000 kilowatt-hours, a drop of 20
per cent from the previous week S
2,357, 100000. the Edison Electric
Institute reported today
However, compared with the COR
responding period of 1888, which
also included the Labor Day holi-
day, the latest weeks figure showed
a rise of 118 per cent,
Taking account of the holiday,
the past weeks total was down less
than seasonally expected. The As
sociated Press index of electric
power production, which takes the
years 1929-30 as 100. advanced from
1922 the previous week to 1884, a
new 1889 high. and compared with
1925 a year ago. The index is ad-
justed for seasonal and long-term
trend.
The range for recent years:
Evening star., 1939-09-13

Approximate Soes OF Stocks the NJ Y Stock Exchange
11:00 AM. 10000 1890 Noon ---- l. $50 900
l:00PM 24SOOOO 200 Pm 3O9OOOO
Total Sales for the g. 100000
shares
rl bankruptcy receivership being reorganed
BANKRUPTCY Act or securities assumed by such
Rates OF dividend the
ments based
Unless otherwise noted
xd Ex divicend xr Ex rights Also Paid
year Cash stock Accumulated dividends oaid de-
Evening star., 1939-09-13

Books closed Stock called for re-
demptlon September 15. 1889.
Plus extras e2fo extra f3ce extra
g 400 extra paid December 90 1898.
29e extra ao os 81 90 sSra G p5oc gaId
$500 paid so far this year. y SIS 90
extra
Evening star., 1939-09-13
UNITED FRUIT COMPANY
DIVIDEND NO. 1871

dividend of one dollar per share on
the capital stock Of this Company has been
declared payable on October IA, 1889. to
stockholders of record at the close Of busi-
ness September 2l. 1889
LIONEL W. UDELL, Treasurer.
Evening star., 1939-09-13

zhNF dIICG5 OFcI tIIC 100 VCEN WClc
reported by the following major
geographic regions: New England
11.3 per cent; Middle Atlantic, 1897;
Central Industrial, 144; West Gen.
tral, 9.8; Southern, II; Rocky
Mountain, 148; Pacific Coast, 8.4.
Evening star., 1939-09-13
London Gold and Silver

LONDON. Sept. 13 LP.-Bar gold, 1855
unchanged. Based on sterling at S4 O4
equivalent is S33.93l Bar silver, 21,sd
Up H.. Equivalent based on sterling at
S4 .04 is 1920 cents)
Evening star., 1939-09-13

Also extra or extras.
Quotations furnished by National As
sociation of Securities Dealers. Inc. which
states they do not necessarily reflect trans
actions or firm bids or offers but should
indicate approximate prices.
Evening star., 1939-09-13
Washington Exchange
SALES.

Capital Transit Co.-20 at 131z: 10
at 1875.
Lanston Monotype-10 at Az.
Evening star., 1939-09-13
BONDS
PUBLIC UTILITY
MISCELLANEOUS

Chevy Chase Club lSt 4i4s-- 1O2
Col Country Club 1st 4i4s lO2
Ter Ref d VIII Corp LIST 4l4s-- 100
Evening star., 1939-09-13

Silk, which scared above So a
pound in the war markets. usually
is kept here in relatively small sup
ply because it is expensive to hold
and cannot be stored as long as
the other staples listed. commodity
men said. But the stocks were de-
Scribed as smaller than usual" as
result of increased use in this coun-
try and smaller shipments from
Japan.
From the domestic business angle,
some business analysts contended,
the stimulus of forward war buying
and firming prices, superimposed
on the rising industrial uptrend,
probably was most noticeable the
last few days in the jump in steel
production above 70 per cent of ca
pacity, the highest operating rate
in two years.
Evening star., 1939-09-13
Federal Lund Banks

NEW YORK Sept. Is P.-Federal Land
Pa nj do.
Evening star., 1939-09-13
Insurance Stocks

NEW YORK, Sept. 13 tFF.-National AS
ISOLATION Security Dealers. Inc:
Evening star., 1939-09-13
New York Silver

NEW YORK. Sept. 13 tR.-Bar silver,
363s, up y Of cent.
Evening star., 1939-09-13
Treasury Notes
(Reported by Smith. Barney g.

NEW YORK Sept. 13 iF.-Prices quoted
in dollars and thirty-seconds:
Evening star., 1939-09-13

A signaEa stop-no ticket-no
cop.
Evening star., 1939-09-13
dollar

spent to repair q
small roof leak will
prevent domose per-
hops amounting to
hundreds Of doIIors.
Henderson daily dispatch., 1939-03-25
Demands On
France May
Bring Crisis
Another Period o f
High Tension Like
That Created by Hit
Ter in Last Ten Days
Is Feared; Britain
Slow S Efforts To
Block Hitler

London, March 25.-(AP)-The
governments of Europe looked to-
day to Rome, whence may come
from Premier Mussolini an indica-
ton of what the Nazi-Fascist pow
ers hope to do next. Mussolini
makes an important address tomor-
row, and there was some belief here
today that he might enunciate de-
mandS upon France for colonies in
Africa.
If he does, there likely will re-
suit another period of high tension,
like that of the past ten days, dur
ing which Adolf Hitler, of Germany,
the Italian anti-communist partner,
obliterated Czechoslovakia, regained
Memelland from Lithuania and
then thrust the Nazi economic ma
chine to the Black Sea by an ac-
cord with Roumania.
In the meantime, the British gov
ernment slowed efforts to form a
fcur-poWer league against Germany
with France, Soviet Russia and Po-
land. Poland has been cool to the
idea because, Polish political inform
ants said, she does not wish to af-
front so powerful nation at her
borders
There was possibility that Bri-
tain would conclude triple entente
with France and Russia, then make
a separate agreement with Poland,
which might include a definition of
military aid each would give the
other.
Henderson daily dispatch., 1939-03-25
Anti-Markers
Bill Likely
Be Passed
Daily Dispatch Bureau,
In the Sir Walter Hotel.
nv HENRY AVERHL.

Raleigh, March 25.-The Senate
will likely pass today (may even
have already passed when this is
published) a bill designed to ban
professional marker OF ballots in
primary elections of North Carolina.
Yesterday the Senate overrode a
majority of its election law commit
tee and put the bill on its calendar
by way of the minority report route.
An unfavorable report was given the
bill by the group which is headed by
Graham's Jack Morphew.
The minority report was signed
and handed up by Senators Willie
Lee Lumpkin, John Umstead and
Pat Taylor. 1t was adopted, 26 to 13,
after brief and sparkless debate. The
most notable feature of the vote was
the fact that almost half a dozen
Senators sat in their seats and an
swered present when their names
were called. In addition, there were
several hurried departures from the
chamber when it became clear vote
was to be taken.
Senators Bum Frink, Charles Cow
les, Joe Warren and Doggie Hatcher
(COntinled on Page FOllr)
Henderson daily dispatch., 1939-03-25
Negotiations All But
Concluded for Sur
render o f Loyalist
Capital

Hendaye, France, March 25.-
(AP)-Final negotiations for the
surrender of Madrid to the Spanish
nationalists and for peace in the 23-
month-old Spanish civil war were
said today to be nearly completed.
Some dispatches from both Bur-
gos and Madrid, the nationalist and
republican capitals, indicated that a
plan for the almost unconditional
surrender of Madrid was SO far ad-
vanced that General Francois troops
might march into that besieged city
today or tomorrow
(The correspondent of a Rome
newspaper on the Madrid front
forecast that Francois troops would
attack Madrid in full force "within
the next few hours" unless attack
orders already issued were coun-
termanded)
The nationalist defense council,
which rules republican Spain, one
fourth of continental Spain, met last
night in General Miaja's office.
Henderson daily dispatch., 1939-03-25
DR.. Mcdonald Definitely
Quits Politics In State
Has Not Asked Hoey
for Job Nor Been Of
fered One by Him..
Thinks Present Exc
cutive Most Beloved
Governor State Has
Ever Had
Daily Dispatch Bureau,
In the Sir Walter Hotel.
nv HENRY AVERHI

Raleigh, March 25.-Dr. Ralph w.
Mcdonald, whom State administra-
ton leaders still see as the central
figure of their Nightmares, today de-
finitely and positively removed him
self from the field of North Carolina
politics, either as a possible Hoey ap-
pointee or a potential candidate for
any office.
In statement whose sincerity was
so obvious as to admit no doubt, the
man who came so close to overthrow
ing the established order in 1886 flat
ly and without equivacation told
your correspondent that he is not
seeking any appointment, is not blng
considered by the governor for one,
and "could not and would not take
one if offered.
He left open only one possible
avenue to public employment. He
said he is hopeful to get back into
college. teaching.
May Head U. N. G. Department.
This indicates that his election or
appointment Cor Whatever is the pro-
per term for getting teaching job)
to some instructional position at the
University of North Carolina is not at
all impossible.
There are, in fact, reports now cur
rent around Raleigh that he will be
named head Of a department at the
Chapel Hill institution. These, how
ever, are so far unverified and un-
confirmed in any official quarter.
Will Never Re-Enter Ring.
Going a bit beyond a prepared
statement which he gave your cor
respondent, DR.. Mcdonald said there
isn't the faintest chance that he will
ever re-enter politics as an active
participant. He by no means cut off
the possibility that he will retain a
keen and active interest as an obser-
yer, however.
The one-time Forsyth professor
and legislator said that he will for
ever be debarred from politics by
his health. He appeared in the pro-
berbial "pink" and said he feels per-
fectly well, but it is clear that he
fears over-evertion after his many
(COntinued on Page FiVe)
Henderson daily dispatch., 1939-03-25
Republicans
May Block
Parity Fund
S e e k $500, 100000
Item To Make Bill So
Obnoxious 1t Will
Fail; Doughton T o
Talk Tax Revision
Plans

Washington, March 25-(AP)-
Republican parliamentary strategy
threatened today to eliminate the
$250,O0O,0O0 for parity payments
from the Agriculture Department ap-
preparation bill
When the House resumed consid-
Grafton Of the 1867 100000 measure,
Representative Tarver, Democrat,
Georgia, told the membership that
the Republicans were planning to
vote with Democratic proponents Of
an amendment to boost the parity
payments fund to $500,000,O00.
Members said this strategy was
based on the hope that, with the bill
so "loaded," even Democrats in favor
Of the $250,000,000 item would have
to vote against it, and thus strike ali
parity payments from the bill.
''Those who support the amendment
to raise the sum to $50O,0OO,OOO will
be voting against any parity pay
ments whatever" Tarver declared.
"a half loaf is better than no bread"
Other developments:
Chairman Doughton, Democrat,
North Carolina, of the House Ways
ctIlO NCdIlS ID CARSCLCO
to discuss the question Of tax re-
vision with his colleagues next week.
Doughton has been ill for some time,
but is expected to return to work
Monday.
/ Trade Balance Up.
The United States sold $60,524, 900
more in merchandise abroad than it
Henderson daily dispatch., 1939-03-25
Tax Listing
ToBe Jan. 1
Not April l
Daily Dispatch Bureau.
IT, the Sir Walter Hotel.
BY LYNN NESBET

Raleigh, March 25.-The revenue
machinery act of 1899, which, like
the revenue act itself, purports to be
a permanent one, makes radical
departure in several particulars from
previous operating statutes.
Most important changes noted are:
Change of tax listing date from
April l to January /, effective for the
year 1910 and thereafter. This
change made at the instance of coun-
tv and city officials who protested
that they could not get tax books
ready by July l when listing was not
made until April. The January l date
was used some years ago and was
changed when farmer organizations
objected.
More liberal deductions for indebt-
edness are permitted. Indebtedness
for purchase price Of baled cotton
debts on farm products held by the
tilizer for use in agriculture, all may
be deducted on the same basis as in
debtedness against book credits.
County commissioners may ap-
point three countrywide appraisers
for realty assessment instead of diff
ferent groups for each township.
The schedule of discounts for early
payment and penalties for deferred
payment of taxes has been revised
and made more liberal to the delin-
quent taxpayer. Under the new sche-
dule the first delinquent month vii
carry one per cent penalty, the Sec
ond month two per cent and there
after one-half of one per cent viii
Henderson daily dispatch., 1939-03-25
Franco Troops May Enter
Madrid Probably Sunday
Ft. Bragg Trooper
Meningitis Victim

Fort Bragg, March 25.-(AP)-
Private Ernest III. PlemmOns, of
Battery F, 83rd Field Artillery,
died yesterday at the post hos
pital of meningitis, post authori-
ties announced today. They said
there we're two other cases in the
hospital. One patient was de-
scribed as critically ill. The 9TH
er's chances of recovery were con-
sidered good.
The announcement said officials
did not regard the outbreak as
sufficient to curtail post activi-
ties, although a close watch was
being kept.
Doctors expressed confidence
the danger would be over if no
more cases developed during the
nine-day incubation period, which
they said would end next Thurs
day.
Henderson daily dispatch., 1939-03-25
Doctor And
Three Others
In Dope Ring

Elizabeth City, March 25.-(AP)
DR.. Howard j. Combs, prominent
44-year-old Elizabeth City physician
with home and office in his own
building on East Main street, w as
arraigned this morning before Unit
cd States district court, under an in
dictment charging him on 142 counts
Of violations of the Harrison marco
tic act.
The Indictment charges that DR..
Combs has dispensed 361, 900 half
grain doses of morphine within the
last three years.
Indicted along with DR.. Combs
were Harrison Perry, Negro chauf-
feur of the doctor, charged with be-
ing an accessory, and Mrs. Helen
Taft Goodman and William Modrell.
A native Of Tyrrell county, DR..
Combs has been practicing in Eliza
beth City for nearly twenty years.
The indictments were made by the
Federal grand jury at Fayetteville
March 81 before Federal Judge 1.
TT. Meekins.
DR.. Combs and Perry were re-
leased under $1,000 bonds, and the
Continued on Page Four)
Henderson daily dispatch., 1939-03-25
THREE ROAD JOBS
in NASH AWARDED

Raleigh, March 25.-(AP)-Chief
Highway Engineer Vance BaiSe an
nounced today award of three Nash
county road contracts for low bid
ders participating in the letting
last week.
The job projects provide grading,
surfacing and structures on 3.3 miles
OF Route 48 near Rocky Mount; 3.O7
miles of county road near Whitak-
ers, and 2.8 miles of county road
near Battleboro
Henderson daily dispatch., 1939-03-25
WALTER j. SHUFORD
DIES AT HICKORY
Was Prominent Business Man and
Civic Leader; Critically Ill
Past Few Weeks

Hickory, March 25.-(AP)-Wal-
ter j. Shuford, IS, prominent busl-
ness man and civic leader, died here
early today of heart attack. He had
been in bad health the last two years,
but critically ill only few weeks
The funeral will be held tomor-
row at his home and burial will be IN
Hickory.
Shuford, a former member of the
State Board of Agriculture, was at
one time president of the Catawba
Creamery Company here, one OF the
largest plants OF its kind in the South
Henderson daily dispatch., 1939-03-25
New Justice
Bill Toned
By Senate
Hitler Wouldn't Want
More, Mussolini Less,
Than Original Meas
ure, Senate Is Told;
Week Memorable In
Assembly; End Like
ly Week Hence

Raleigh, March 25.-(AP)-
The Senate today set as a special
order for Monday the bill to
abolish use of professional mark
erS in elections and primaries.
Senator Lumpkin of Franklin, an
exponent of the measure, moved
to have it considered imme-
diately under suspension of the
rules, but his motion failed to
carry the necessary two thirds
majority.
The motion TO postpone con-
SideratiOn was made by Senator
Prince, of Henderson, an Op-
pOnent of the proposal.
Henderson daily dispatch., 1939-03-25

Raleigh, March 25.-(AP)- The
Senate without dissent today passed
and sent to the House a committee
substitute for bill to create a State
Department of Justice.
However, Senator Folger, of Surry
who had led fight against the pro-
posal, said he would move for re-
consideration of the vote Monday.
Yesterday he had charged that
Hitler wouldn't want more, anc
Mussolini wouldn't ask as much" as
the measure provided in its original
form before re-drafting by a sub
committee. The measure would bring
the bureau of investigation and
Identification under the attorney
general; provide for codification OF
statutes and permit investigation by
the department of justice at the re-
Continued on Page Five)
Henderson daily dispatch., 1939-03-25
Seek Cunrnan
In Killing At
Kannapolis

Kannapolis, March 25.-(AP)-
Officers using bloodhounds hunted
today a slender gunman who shot
and killed Floyd Holshouser, %, last
night as he sat in his parked auto
mobile. Clues were scarce. No trace
of the weapon was found. One Of
ficer said about the only hope was to
find fingerprints on the car. Another
said several former convicts report
ed lately in this vicinity would be
questioned.
Policeman Yves Plyle said this
morning no suspects had been arrest
ed
Meanwhile, every detail of the
shooting, as given by witnesses, was
carefully studied. Miss Lilly Hol-
Continued on Page Five)
Henderson daily dispatch., 1939-03-25
Officer
Admits He
Killed Wife
Body of Mrs. Eudora
Cunni in g ham Dug
= from Deep S, e W e r
Grave on Directions
of Confessing Hus-
band; No Motive AS
signed

Oklahoma City, Okla, March 25.
-(AP)-The body of socially prom
inent Mrs. Eudora Cunningham was
dug by flare light from deep sewer
grave early today after her husband
broke stubborn 19-day silence with
dramatic last-minute confession.
Just a few hours before schedul-
ed habeas corpus hearing Officers
said would have ended in freedom
for 33-year-old Roger Cunningham,
he broke, admitted he strangled his
wife March and directed searchers
to her body with a crude map.
With firm, neat hand, the beard
ed and haggard Cunningham sketch
ed the diagram to show officers
where the body was hurled, then re-
Continued on Page Eight
Henderson daily dispatch., 1939-03-25
Hospital Fee
For Accident
Is Favored
In the Sir Walter Hotel.
Daily Dispatch Bureau.

Raleigh, March 25.-The Senate
passed Senator DR.. I. w! M. Longs
bill to add 80 cents to the cost of
every automobile tag in North Caro-
lima in order to provide hospitaliza-
ton for highway accident victims
after the Halifax physician-legisla-
tor had pointed out that records show
that crash victims spend a total of
10000 patient-days in hospitals each
year.
Dr. Long said that there is an an
Continued on Page Four)
Henderson daily dispatch., 1939-03-25

globes whiz around its axis as it
travels through space around the sun.
Brig. Gen. Clarence S. Ridley, COVER
nor of the Panama Canal Zone,
made this clear to Congress in his
recent report recommending an addi-
tional set of locks for the improve
ment of our present big ditch be-
tween the oceans.
Our existing locks work all right,
but suppose, in wartime, even one OF
them were to be bombed by hostile
aviators, or sabotaged! Why, that ma
turally would sew up the canal, max
Henderson daily dispatch., 1939-03-25

NAAOAk|OA w AAA
prove but for the
earth's uneconomic
(from this coun-
try's s t a n dpoint)
Whirl to the west
ward. Indeed, a
new canal. as pro-
posed, t h r 0 u g h
Nicaragua the Te-
huantepec penin-
sula, up in Mexico.
would be a COM
paratively uncOm-
plicated engineer
ing problem tc
solve but for oul