The Waterbury Democrat., 1939-06-30
Alderman On Stand As Crary Was Taken Sick
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the stand about a dozen more wit uesses will testify in his behalf.
 "At any tirne," questioned Craw- ford of Alderman ''have you taken any books, records or files from the City Hall?"
 Never" was the answer.
 All records were returned to their proper placse before you left?' asked Crawford.
 Always" said Alderman categor- ically.
 No Knowledge of It
 Did you have any knowledge oi the destruction of records of tho controllers office or of the con. trolier,s department of the city oi Waterbury," continued Crawford.
 T did not" answered Alderman.
 Do you know of such thing being done?" queried Crawford.
 'sNo," answered the witness.
 sDid you have any knowledge of a conspiracy to defraud the city oi Waterbury of any amount by any, crle?r asked Crawford, coming clos CT to the witness.
 T did not" was the reply.
 No Irregularities Seen
 Tn you experience and work in the controllers office did you have any knowledge of Irregularities in the payment of claims or bills?" questioned the defense lawyer.
 T did not" answered Alderman.
 Alter stating that he had heard testimony in the trial concerning the 6tty's alleged contract with Ed waraSG. Levy, confessed conspirator, AldSEman was asked.
 "DM you have any knowledge oi the tEsvy contract-if there was such a tliing?"
 "Hdid not" he said fiatly.
 He also denied having any knowl- edge of any city dealings with Charles E. Williamson, who testified for the state as a defendant, or Harry Mackenzie, who pleaded guilty to the conspiracy charge.
 Only since the trial started, he said, has he gained the knowledge of who those men are.
 Third Day
 On the stand for the third day to- day. as the fourth day of the de- fense in the conspiracy trial was un- derway, Simon J. Alderman, a de. fendant, testified that after he went to work for the city of Waterbury in 1880, he was paid at the rate o1 $2S a day, or about $3.58 an hour for seven hours.
 m 1933, he continued, when he was assigned specifically to the welfare department, he received the same rate. with an additional $2.5O for travelling expenses to and from New Haven. Other travel expenses were paid as well, he said.
 His assistants on that job, he said were paid at the rate of $3 an hour During December, 1887, he said, he received A an hour on the special audit work, which amounted to $3t a day. His assistants worked seven hours for $22.50 a day.
 When he worked for Daniel J Leary in 1887. listing the 16,00C checks issued by the city that year, Alderman said, Leary paid him $500 which was reasonable charge.
 Compared with the charges made to the state by Warren M. Brown states accountant, for work on the investigation and trial, there is some difference.
 The highest amount received from the city by Alderman was A an hour, while Brown receives $6 an hour. In addition, Brown received g an hour from each of his assistants employed Alderman is graduate of New York university and holds a degree of bachelor of commercial sciences. He is also c. P. A.
 On Income Tax
 When he took the stand today, his first statement was to the effect that every cent" received by the firm of Alderman & Shepatin from the city of Waterbury was listed on income tax returns to the govern ment.
 Immediately thereafter he was questioned by his counsel, George w. Crawford, concerning work done by him and assistants in the city hall aside from regular days and hours. He worked Sunday, December 19, he said, Christmas day and December 30, the latter evening.
 He and three assistants, Goldstein, Meyerson and Cronin met at the Minerva restaurant Grand street here before going to the city hall Sunday. December 19, the witness testified. They entered city hall through the police station, and wait ed at the controllers offlce door for Martin J. Dunn. The latter, a de- fendant was, at that time purchas- ing agent of the controllers once.
 When Dunn failed to- appear at an appointed hour, Alderman said, he went into the police station and telephoned his home. Dunn ap- peared shortly after talking to AL derman on the phone.
 Alderman and his three assistants remained at the controllers effice all day, working on checks and war ants payable registers. Dunn, who left during the day, returned at about 5:45, to lock the vault, after the articles had been replaced. The i've left together, he said.
 Christmas day, Alderman said, he worked with Meyerson and Gold stein, who are expected to be witt nesses, in the welfare department office Gin the baselnent) and in the controllers office.
 Given Key
 The witness said that Miss Helen R. Driscoll had given him a key to the welfare department office, so that he could have access to the books. Alderman said that he en- tered the ofiice Christmas day with that key.
 At 10 o'clock that morning, he said, he met Dunn again at the con- troller's ofiice by appointment. But he was not ready to work on the controllers books, being busy in the