The Waterbury Democrat., 1939-04-05
DORA EGAN,S PENSION BILL
 MARKED FOR KNOCK DOWN"
Williamson Tesi6es That Measure Legislature Witness Tells of Cheek Splitting Capitol Building Followed In- structions Without Questioning Merits of Measures

examination of Charles E. William son by Special Prosecutor Hugh M. Alcorn. The following transcript of testimony contains part of Will namson's testimony and comments of MT. Alcorn and Judge Ernest A. Inglis concerning the inspection of the minutes of Williamson's testi- mony before the grand jury.
 Alcorn: I have this suggestion to make. In the first place, the witness has said whatever he may have said on his first appearance possibly in- cluding his second-has been strengthened out before the grand jury. That is very common thing, and the only other suggestion I have to make, your honor, is that there are q great many matters in those minutes which besides the witness testimony, involve other matters, in- volve other people, involve other ir- vestigations. Insofar as the interests of justice are concerned, am not objecting to the introduction of the minutes of the grand jury. Not for amoment if that is the proper thing to do. But for the reasons which l have advanced, it strikes me that the court ought to scrutinize that testimony.
 Same as Levy
 Atty. Murray: Your honor, please, the same situation prevailed in the Levy case where MT. Alcorn said MT. Levy strengthened out his testimony in the grand jury minutes. He had committed perjury one way or an other, and it appears now that this witness has done the same thing ard think the jury is entitled to know it.
 Judge Inglis: In the Levy matter I assumed that we received the mirl- utes of the grand jury on the strength of the same basis as you have stated. Now, of course, the pro- cedure-when the question arises as to whether written statement made outside of the courtroom IS to be thrown open to counsel on cross-examinationthe procedure is for such written statement to be first examined by the court who will pass upon the question as to whether is the case. I think probably I ought to follow the same procedure here. think, 1t is true that some state ments made by this witness to the grand jury in no way relate to this case. My present impression IS that there ought to be some way of sepa- rating that material.
 Atty. Murray: have no objection to that at all. I am not trying to pry into any matter of the grand jury that doesn't pertain to this wit ness testimony here. But if his tes- tir1ony, in relation to the matters he swore to here today, differs from tho sworn testimony before the grand jury, I submit, your honor, in Justice we ought to have 1t and the rue already laid down should be followed in this respect here now.
 Judge Comments
 :. Judge Inglis: think, in principle, that is the procedure will follow, but, as a precaution, I think I ought to take time to go over the trans cription of the grand jury myself and give whatever should be avail able to you. I think I will let the fury go for today and there is not mrch need in keeping the court in session.
 Murray: I don't think there is any purpose to be served. After recess the following testl- n1ony was given by MT. Williamson: @, At this meeting at the Diamond Ginger Ale office here, when the check and the voucher were brought in by Olson and after you had en- dorsed the check and signed the voucher, what became of the check and the voucher?
 A. MT. Olson took the check and the voucher with him.
 @. And the cash was left there and divided as you already stated? A. That's right.
 @, Then I recall that you said you then went with MT. Mackenzie to The Elton for lunch.
 A. That's true.
 e. How long were you there? A. A half-hour or maybe a little more.
 O. Between that time of the meet ing here in the office of the Dia- mond Ginger Ale and the opening of the general assembly, had you met either Hayes or Leary?
 A. hadn't seen anybody until after the assembly opened. @. After the opening of the as- sembly whether or not you met either MT. Hayes or MT. Leary with respect to Waterbury matters? "A. Well, think we got list or what was wanted with respect to the bondage.
 s.Q. From whom did you get the list?
 Lists from Mayor
 A. I think got those lists from Mayor Hayes.
 e. After you got the lists what did you do?
 "A. I proceeded to follow them up. @. Did you have the list of what they were in favor of passing and those they weren't?
 A. Not a complete list.
 e. Did you at any time before that session appear before any commit tee?
 A. Not openly.
 ~Q. You didn't appear openly? 10 A. No.
 e. Whether for or against any of the measures?
 A. No.
 @. Did you get any money during that session?
 A. 1887?
 70. Yes.
 p A. Yes.
 e. When did you get your first installment?
 A. This 5000 that was given be- erua %ho accayVnk1x, ryHas,aA and an-