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The Tacoma times. [volume] (Tacoma, Wash.) 1903-1949, 1939-08-11
KENWORTHYCO.
GETS RECEIVER
Frederick c. Brewer
Is Appointed by
Judge Evans

Frederick {. Brewer. retired gas
company head and former Tacoma
Chamber Of Commerce president,
was established Thursday as re-
ceiver for the Kenworthy Grain q
Milling Co. large South Tacoma
and centralia feed and grain firm.
He was appointed Wednesday
afternoon by Superior Judge Rob
ert f. Evans after an all-morning
hearing on the receivership petit
ton filed by Merton Elliott.
Elliott assignee Of $4,000
note from the National Bank of
Washington. started the action
two months ago but was restrain
ed from further proceedings when
J. Fred kenworthy. president of
the grain company. filed petition
in federal court to reorganize I'M
der Section 77-B of the bankruptcy
act.
That petition, however, was
thrown out OF court Tuesday aft
ernoon by Federal Judge Leon r.
Yankwich, who held that 1t was
not filed In good faith.
On the witness stand before SUI
perior Judge Evans Wednesday,
Kenworthy admitted his company
had lost around $4,000 last year,
though he said 1t had made a profit
of 1880 in July.
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of Harper Knowles, Legion anti
subversiye leader, at Bridges de-
portation hearing that the Legion
has large numbers and even paid
operatives" within union ranks who
are giving information to en-
ployers."
Bridges emphasized that the
drive was not against individual
Legion members and pointed out
that I'VE have plenty of good leg
ionnaires in our union" In fact"
he said, "our men even have their
own Legion post on the water
front-the Howard Sperry post,
named after the longshoreman
murdered by the police during the
strike of 1884
Bridges said all unions will be
asked to make close check of
their membership to determine If
they are engaged in labor spy
activities.
The Tacoma times. [volume] (Tacoma, Wash.) 1903-1949, 1939-08-11
HUGE AIRPLANE
ORDER PLACED

WARRINGTON war de-
partment Thursday awarded con-
tracts for expansion of the nations
air forces totaling more than
500. 600, 900, the largest single
order for war equipment in U. s.
history.
The order covered ss5.97S. 900
worth of airplanes and engines, in
GLIDING over $21, 900. 900 worth of
four-motored b o m bling planes.
some Of which are Of the same
type which recently flew across
the continent at an average speed
OF 264 miles per hour.
Contracts for this type of plane
went to Consolidated Aircraft
Corp. San Diego. for ss.4so,000;
and Boeing Aircraft Co., Seattle.
for 5000. 900. with further options
to the company amounting to So
400. 900.
Contracts for two-engined bomb
ers were awarded to Glenn L. Mar
tin Co.. Baltimore, and North
American Aviation Inc, lngle-
wood, Cal. amounting to $l5.815,-
600 and $l1,77l. 900. respectively.
These planes are known ~ "medi-
UNI bombcrs" and are new type
for the army air corps.
The Tacoma times. [volume] (Tacoma, Wash.) 1903-1949, 1939-08-11
M'CUNE TO PRESENT
FIGURES AT HEARING

Facts and figures on proposed
local boosts in telephone rate
charges under the revised rate
schedule now under consideration
will be presented to the state de-
partment of public service, now
holding hearings on the proposal
in Seattle.
Assurance was given today by
Jay W. McCune. chamber of COM
merce traffic manager, that pro-
posed increases which he said in
some instances were as high as
223 per cent will be aired
McCune attended the sessions
in Seattle Tuesday and Wednes-
day. and plans to return Friday
to Seattle. AT present, witnesses
are being examined as to the value
of property and rates of deprecis-
ton on which the proposed change
Is based,
The Tacoma times. [volume] (Tacoma, Wash.) 1903-1949, 1939-08-11
Prisoners Enjoy
Vermont Syrup

Syrup Salesman Stewart NJ.
Allen, who sold his washboiler-
made genuine Vermont sap maple
syrup" to Tacoma bank executives,
didn't have to sell 1t to the Pierce
county Jail inmates, according to
Cook Fred Bedford.
When Allen, 55-year-old Aurora.
Ill. resident. was sent to Jail for
so days on July 26. four gallons
of the syrup which the money ex-
perts declared genuine Vermont, :"
went with him. The delighted
prisoners cleaned it up in four
breakfasts, Bedford said.
Incidentally, he has Allen work
ing in the Jail kitchen, but says he
hasn't started him manufacturing
maple syrup yet.
The Tacoma times. [volume] (Tacoma, Wash.) 1903-1949, 1939-08-11
Local Company
Still Has Hopes

seattle-Taeoma Shipbuilding Co.
officials said Thursday the award
of contract to the Tampa company
has no immediate bearing upon
the bid submitted by the local
yards. Twenty ships of the CT
type are to be built under the cur
rent series of awards; only nine.
they said, have been awarded, four
to the Consolidated company at
Los Angeles and five to Tampa.
Eleven remain to be awarded and
the Seattle-Tacoma company has
hopes of receiving contracts for
some of these. II bid on five of
them.
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Arrival of Henry Hermann. sec
retary-manager of the National
Association of Credit Men, New
York City. was the signal for an
informal dinner in his honor We'd
nesday night at the Union club.
The dinner was sponsored by the
Wholesalers association of Ia
coma.
Hermann, acknowledgement and
until three years ago chairman of
the u. S. shipping board. was
greeted on his arrival by Horace
Wright. president of the Tacoma
Grocery Co., and Edward b. Lung.
secretary of the wholesalers
group.
With them he visited the Mar
rows bridge and Mcchord field,
expressing his amaxement at the
magnitude of both projects since
his last stop in Tacoma. He left
The Tacoma times. [volume] (Tacoma, Wash.) 1903-1949, 1939-08-11
Welfare Building
Hearing Set OUer

Public hearing on the county's
proposed $4,000 emergency APP
preparation for construction OF a
welfare department building was
set over Thursday until next
Monday morning.
The change of date was made TO
accommodate County Welfare Ad-
ministrator George NJ. v. Brown,
now on vacation. The building, to
be erected as an auxiliary to the
courthouse on ground opposite 1t,
will serve the county auditors de-
partment as well as the relief adj
'nanaatration.
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Walter Campbell
Funeral Friday

Final rites for Walter Campbell.
who died Wednesday at the
Veterans hospital at American
lake, will be held Friday at 1890
a. NJ. from the Buckley-king
chapel. followed by burial in
Mountain View park.
Pallbearers have been named as
w. Z. Burrows. A. r. Whitman.
Lou Schabel. Herbert Tucker,
Michael Griffin and Harry Wick.
The Tacoma times. [volume] (Tacoma, Wash.) 1903-1949, 1939-08-11
LET CONTRACT
FOR 5 VESSELS

WASHINGTON - The U. S.
maritime commission today award
ed the Tampa Shipbuilding and
Engineering Co. Tampa, Fla. a
contract for construction of five
CT type cargo vessels to cost
S1.s14 ,430 each.
The companys bid was made on
fixed price basis for construc-
ton of the five vessels.
The vessels. single screw and
steam propelled, will be 416 feet
overall, so feet wide with displace-
ment OF 12,s75 tons.
The Tacoma times. [volume] (Tacoma, Wash.) 1903-1949, 1939-08-11
COP Publicity Chief Sees
BOurbons as Losers in 1910

prolific ghost writers VS.
noon and evening.
Waltman recalled that he lsst
visited Tacoma in the fan Of 1897
as a correspondent in the presi-
Dental party which had JUST
toured Olympic peninsula. Unui
a year ago he had been White
House reporter for Washington.
D. c. and Baltimore papers.
Washington has been known.
he said. las a pro-Roosevelt state.
but even here there is noticeanis
definite change IN the voters
point OF view.
Waltman came here following
conference with Republicans al
Seattle. and left for Spokane for
meeting there Thursday.
The Tacoma times. [volume] (Tacoma, Wash.) 1903-1949, 1939-08-11
Chris Petersen
Passes at Home

Chris A. Petersen died Thurs
day at his home s204 Pacific ave.
He is survived by his wife, ka-
trina of the home; two sons.
August of Olympia and Arthur C..
OF Tacoma; two daughters, Mrs.
II. T. Christensen of MeCalls-
burg. Iowa and Mrs. II. P. Hansen
of Tacoma; IL grandchildren.
Funeral announcements will be
made by Piper's.
The Tacoma times. [volume] (Tacoma, Wash.) 1903-1949, 1939-08-11

sorting clothes for a cleaner who
cleaned theirs in return.
They went north to Portland,
Maine. back down to Boston. into
Massachusetts and Verm on I,
through the Adirondacks to SYRIA
euse and Niagara Falls. They went
through Ontario, Canada. to Hamil-
ton. and then to Detroit, where
Kimball's wife, Melba. met them
for the drive home. through yell
lowstone and Wyoming.
They met other Tacomans, be-
ing the guests for four days of
Bob Carlisle, c. p. S. classmate,
and his wife. the former Carol
Penney of Tacoma. They traced"
through the worlds fair with Car
Isle, head chemist and manager
of the National Chemical Co.
Visit Senator Bone
In Washington, ID. c., they were
the guests OF Senator Homer T.
Bone. unching with him at a table
marked Reserved for Senators"
Roy Swanstrom, another Tacoman
who is an aide to Senator Bone,
invited them to move into his home
at Chevy Chase, a suburb. They
insisted that he partake of their
hospitality first--so he did, by
sharing their blankets for one night
on the golf course at Hines Point,
overlooking the Potomac.
In Washington they also met
Earl Hillstrand, another Tacoman.
at the Y. M. c. A.
The Tacoma times. [volume] (Tacoma, Wash.) 1903-1949, 1939-08-11
Picnic on Friday
For Bible School

The Vacation Bible School at
ST. Peters church in Old Tacoma
will conclude a week OF daily
meetings by holding a picnic for
the young people Friday after
noon.
The school has been run under
the supervision of Miss Phyllis
Baker, Miss Marie Stroud and
49, Cha pou1a.
The Tacoma times. [volume] (Tacoma, Wash.) 1903-1949, 1939-08-11
BRIDGES RAPS
LEGION SPIES

SAN FRANCISCO - Harry
Bridges. west coast CIO director
and president OF International
ongshoremens and Warehouse
mems union, today ordered a
housekeeping" of western CLIO
unions. particularly directed
against all american Legion la
Dor spies"
The order was the result. Bridges
said, Of testimony and statements
The Tacoma times. [volume] (Tacoma, Wash.) 1903-1949, 1939-08-11
TacOnlan Fails in
ATTEMPT on Life

Taken to Tacoma General hos
pital shortly before midnight We'd
nesday by police ambulance was
Emmett Dodge, As, of $50 No. l
st. Attendants administered first
aid after the man had consumed a
small amount of mercurochrome
and he was permitted to return to
his home.
Police reported two suicide"
notes had been left in the mans
apartment. One was addressed to
Dodge's father and another to
Mae, darling"
The Tacoma times. [volume] (Tacoma, Wash.) 1903-1949, 1939-08-11
TACOMA WOMEN
ENTERTAIN HIS WIFE

The national official was ae-
companied by his wife, who was
entertained and taken on an auto
tour of the city by women Repub-
leans of the city.
He was accompanied here by
d. r. Van Sickler, state Republ-
can secretary; Hal Armstrong,
state publicity chief, and Frank
jackson, state finance chairman.
Mailman asserted he believed
President Roosevelt desires to at
tempt to obtain third term-and
minated he hoped the president
would do so. Such a move on
his part would be worth two to
three million votes to U.S." he pre-
dicted.
The Tacoma times. [volume] (Tacoma, Wash.) 1903-1949, 1939-08-11

SALEM. Ore. - stephen F.
Chadwick, national commander
OF the American Legion, said
today II the government fails in
its present effort TO deport
Harry Bridges, then we can
pass laws which will be ade-
quate to meet the situation"
The Tacoma times. [volume] (Tacoma, Wash.) 1903-1949, 1939-08-11

One of the nations most
tied Tacoma Wednesday after
But there was nothing ethereal
about stocky, black-eyed Franklin
Mailman. publicity director for
the Republican National commit
tee. He was practieality-plus -
from the tips Of .his typewriter
biunted fingers to the roots Of his
thinning hair.
Mailman has ghost written
many a speech for C. o. p. politi-
cos, even as Charlie Nicholson
does for their Bourbon foes, but
he Is interested on his current tour
of the country in what people are
thinking and wanting"
The Tacoma times. [volume] (Tacoma, Wash.) 1903-1949, 1939-08-11
SATISFIED PEOPLE
WANT 4 CHANGE

I'm satisfied" he said at an
informal session here with local
newspaper men and Pierce county
Republican leaders. that our
people want change in admins
trations. and l think they'll get
it in January, 1871"
Mailman declared himself CON
servatively optimistic towar d
next years election.
Il think we have a good chance
to elect a president. he said. Last
November q states. in elections,
revealed themselves Republican.
They have 221 electoral votes. so
we need only 266. And that doesn't
include New York, where our
prospects are very good
Mailman agreed wit h Pierce
County G. o. p. Chairman Paul
Johns and other local Republican
leaders that the significance of
national governmental policies be
brought home TO voters in terms
of their own communities.
The Tacoma times. [volume] (Tacoma, Wash.) 1903-1949, 1939-08-11
POEM BY MRS. ORION
INCLUDED IN BOOK

Mrs. Virginia Heating orion of
Sumner is one Of the authors whose
poems are included in American
Voices, 1889. the Worlds Fairs
edition. a soo-psge volume just
published.
The Tacoma times. [volume] (Tacoma, Wash.) 1903-1949, 1939-08-11
ALL LUMBER
WORKERS SUE

PORTLAND. Ore. - American
Federation of Labor lumber work.
ers today filed suit for S11,270.
allegedly taken by union members
who two years ago bolted AFL to
ioin a union affiliated with Con-
gress of Industrial Organizations.
The suit was filed in circuit
court by Attorneys l.. Presley Gill.
of Seattle, and Fred Jensen, OF
Portland. in behalf of Portland
District Council of Lumber and
Sawmill Workers. Defendants are
1900 members of Local No. 3, CIO
Lumber and Sawmill workers
union. and officers of the parent
organization. International Wood
workers of America.
Garnishment on union officers
and on wages due 3s5 CIO workers
at nine lumber mills also were
sought. A writ of attachment for
furniture and other office equip
ment used by CIO headquarters
here was filed at the same time.
Gill said the suit had ample
legal precedent in Oregon and
Washington. Approximately
5000 was recovered at Marsh
field, Ore. $4,000 at Belling-
ham and $1,000 at Centralia.
The complaint said the Defend
ants "unlawfully conspired and
agreed to place the funds, monies
and accounts of local No. 1882
beyond the control of the union
and members, in violation of their
obligations as members and az
officers :"
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WORKERS ALLIANCE PICNIC

Workers Alliance announced
Thursday it would hold a state
WIDE two-day picnic next Sstur-
day and Sunday at Giendawn
park, Five Mile Lake, with a
speakers program. snnsemsnts
and spokek
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HERE'S MORE ABOUT
ROMEO IN JAIL
STARTS ON PAGE ONE

again "plcketing the nome OF
his girl-friend, Miss Florence
spadsfore, 81, of 1908 SO. Cush-
man ave.
Fred, who resides at 1917 So. X
St, has been in custody twice be-
fore for assertedly ''picketing" the
home OF the young woman after
she had spurned his attentions.
In each instance, he WAS
warned by authorities. they
say, 10 keep away from the
spadafore premises.
July IL, however, Mcintosh
found himself in court. This time,
he was accused of third degree
assault Miss Spad fore had
charged that on July 2 he grabbed
her by her arms and reiterated
previous threats to end his life
and hers.
Mcintosh denied the allega-
ton. He WAS emphatic In
declaration that he had not
"scuffled" with his light-of-
love, rs she had testified.
Justice Clarence Layton found
Mcintosh guilty and imposed a
four-month sentence IN Pierce
county jail.
Aug. /, however, Mcintosh was
released when 1t was learned he
might obtain employment in Sc
attic.
Sitting in the office of Capt. Of
Detectives Cliff Osborne Wednes-
day. the youthful Romeo told the
veteran police officer his side Of
the story
IL love that girl" he said
earnestly. 81 wouldn't do any
thing In the world to harm
her"
Mcintosh confessed he had
watched" the girl "for three
NCAFS br' wv
courage TO speak 10 her"
~ don't know just how we
are going to straighten this
out like her parents, too.
II am of Catholic faith"
the young man confided. IL
think my next move shall he
to confer with priest and
ask him TO help me solve my
problem--it has been 20 one
sided thus far -
II wasn't 'picketing Miss Spad-
azores home when the detectives
picked me up Tuesday night
/ live in that community and was
going to visit friends and happen
ed to be on her street, that's all.
81 wasn't picketing' her house
on the other occasions, either" he
continued, but no one would be-
lieve me"
Mcintosh denied that when
he WAS released from Pierce
county jail Aug. l, he had been
ordered 10 stay out of the
county.
That's news to me-" he
said. II did 10 10 Seattle
-. I am q cook tried
20 obtain work. but the ferry
strike tied things up 50 l came
back to Tacoma"
Eyes, I think ! will see priest, "
he concluded. II know he can
help me"
Judge Mallery will hear the
youths story Thursday afternoon
that is. if srresting officers and
a city attorney show up.
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{ p. s. Boys Cover 5000 Miles
In u g., Canada fit Cost Of SIS
First 1000 Was by
Thumb and Last of
Trip in Style

There are plenty of ways
to See America First-but
the best way is to ''hoof it,
Take II from two Tacoma lads
who just did. They covered $4,000
miles in the United States and
Canada in two months, on si3'
expense money.
Jack Kimball, IS, 1901 So. ] at.
and Carl fCoke) Mcconnell, ~.
1902 No. Prospect ave. were at
home and happy today after
hitch-hiking 5aunt drought %
states. The trip started June 6.
Had New Car
They travelled the first IL 900
miles via thumb On the last
z000-mile stretch they came In
style. breaking in a new car for a
friend who bought it at the fac
Tory.
But the hoofing was best.
~Bos. the people You meet. and
the things they point out In
you. and the education you
get" they said.
and the things some OF 'em
don't know" said Jack. "once
woman who gave me ride noticed
my Puget Sound jersey and said
where's that? said Washing /
ton. and she said ID. CT said +
No, the state of Washington i
She said, oh. yes. that's near
Niagara, isn't it,"
Only One Week
Coke had the same difficulty
explaining to girl who was hand
ing out food samples at the New
York Worlds fair. He explained
that Puget Sound was in the state
Of Washington. Don't you know
where that Is? he asked.
No she answered. hut I've
only been here a week"
Jack and Coke. both foot
hall lettermen from G. p. g.,
explained the four inviolabIe
rules u the road by which they
rot ~ far In such brief time
on such short funds. ],
They're: i. Keep smiling;
2. Keep clean; 3. Keep walking.
and 4, Never turn down a ride, no
matter how short" they said.
II you keep walking, drivers are
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cinch to break down and give
you ride, thinking. that fellow
Is out to get somewhere" they
added.
OF course. they had to keep eat
ing, too. They took jobs where
jobs were offered. or found them.
They washed dishes in most of the
states of the union. They washed
Venetian blinds In Galveston,
Texas. to prove to a dubious native
they would work. They loaded
lumber trucks In New Orleans, and
even tried their hands as mechanics
when a woman gave them ride
and her car broke down.
'Flipped Coin
They didn't know how long
they'd be gone when they started.
In Butte. Montana, they flipped
coin whether 1t was to be east or
south. II was south. Near Salt
Lake they yelled Hi. Colonel" at
a uniformed motorist.
The colonel won them a ride.
and their driver, In the uniform of
national guard officer. explained
he was descendant of Brigham
Young. Between Boulder dam
and kingman. Arizona. they broil-
ed for half day on the desert
without a ride. managed a hitch
only after separating.
Made Deal
In San Antonin phere thav
The Tacoma times. [volume] (Tacoma, Wash.) 1903-1949, 1939-08-11
'Fiipped Coin


In San Antonio, where they
visited the Alamo, they worked
The Ely miner. [volume] (Ely, Minn.) 1895-1986, 1939-03-30

items / and of the report and mo"
on item 8.
Motion carried.
Moved by Alderman zgonc, supported
by Alderman Hedloff, effective April
l, 1899, Henry Smith be changed as
engineer at the Water g. Light Plant to
janitor, and that Matt Musich be
changed as janitor at the Water and
Light Plant to engineer. Vote as fol-
lows:
Yes: Aldermen Vranesich, Zgonc,
Hedloff, Mayor Lambert "a.
Alderman Debeltz, Milkovich' and
Spreitzer voted for the change with
respect to Matt Musich, and favored
the employment of Simon Marolt as
janitor at the Water and Light Plant.
Motion carried.
Intoxicating liquor "On Sales" license
bond of Joseph Smuk, in the amount of
100000 with the Seaboard Surety
Company as surety, was read.
Moved by Alderman zgonc, supported
by Alderman Hedloff, that the liquor
license bond of Joseph Smuk be APP
proved, accepted and filed. Vote as
follows:
Yes: Aldermen Debeltz, Milkovich,
Vranesich, zgonc, Hedloff, Mayor Lam
bert (6).
No: Alderman Spreitzer ID.
Motion carried.
Moved by Alderman Milkovich, sup
ported by Alderman zgonc, that eff
fective April /, 1889, Nick Popovich, Jr.,
be employed as Inventory Clerk, at
salary of $135.OO per month Vote as
follows:
Yes: Aldermen Milkovich, Vranesich,
zgonc, Hedloff, Mayor Lambert 90.
No: Aldermen Debeltz and Spreitzer
ca.
Motion carried.
Moved by Alderman zgonc, supported
by Alderman Milkovich, that the Mayor
be authorized to appoint a delegation
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Ely Will Haze Exhibit at
Northwest Outdoor Shou

Annual harbinger Of spring, the
Northwest Sportsmen's Show will open
in the Minneapolis auditorium, April 8,
for a nine-day run before an estimated
audience of 100000 The Arrowhead
country will be represented by large
delegations.
In addition to colorful display of
the latest in sports apparel and equip
ment, the show will feature an extensive
array of competitive events, including
bait casting, pistol shooting and archery
tournaments, log rolling and dog trails.
Among educational exhibits will be a
Minnesota conservation department dis
play Of live wild game, including deer,
bear, beaver, cartridges and pheaSantS,
forest conservation, erosion control,
water conservation and dams, park de-
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bert (2).
No: Aldermen Debeltz, Milkovich
Spreitzer, Vranesich, Hedloff 60.
Alderman Milkovich, Spreitzer and
Vranesich stated that they were not
opposed to the Ely Commercial Clubs
budget but did not wish to act on it
until all other city budgets had been
determined.
Motion lost.
Moved by Alderman zgonc, supported
by Mayor Lambert, that the previous
action of the City Council at this meet
ing with reference to the request of
the Ely Commercial Club for an APP
preparation of 100000 be reconsidered.
Vote as follows:
Yes: Aldermen Debeltz, Milkovich,
Spreitzer, Zgonc, Mayor Lambert (5).
No: Aldermen Vranesich and Hedloff
(2).
Motion carried.
Moved by Alderman Debeltz, sup
ported by Alderman zgonc, that the
sum of $1,0O0.O0 be appropriated from
the Civic Fund to the Ely Commercial
Club for civic purposes. Vote as fol-
lows:
Yes: Aldermen Debeltz, Spreitzer,
zgonc, Mayor Lambert "a.
No: Aldermen Milkovich, Vranesich,
Hedloff 80.
Motion carried.
Moved by Alderman zgonc, supported
by Mayor Lambert, that the budget for
tn Ely Commercial Club for the year
1889 be fixed at $5,5OO00 Vote as fol-
lows:
Yes: Aldermen Milkovich, Spreitzer,
zgonc, Mayor Lambert "a.
No: Aldermen Debeltz, Vranesich,
Hedloff 49,.
Alderman VraneSich stated that he
favored budget not to exceed SIS 10000.
Motion carried.
Moved by Alderman Zgonc, supported
by Alderman Hedloff, that the meeting