The Waterbury Democrat., 1939-04-19
A. I don't think I would.

A, QOIl l. UIllIlk WOulu. o. Would you lie if you were un- der oath? If you swore to tell the truth before your God and calling upon Him to witness the truthful ness of your answers? Yes or no.
 A. No.
 o. All right, and you wouldn't lie if you were talking to an individual because you are a man of honor. You do consider yourself man of honor?
 A. Yes.
 @. Before I go to your testimony, what date was it that you saw MT. Kelly downstairs in the city hall when boxes were taken out?
 A. The 18th of December, 1887.
 o. You're certain about that there is no mistake? A. Yes, I'm sure. o. You were examined by MT. Lewis?
 A. Yes.
 e. Who was MT. Lewis? A. States attorney, then.
 @. The states attorney same as l MI. <1lCOIIl IS tOQdy.
 A. Yes.
 Q. You didn't realize, as an in- dividual, that you would not tell the states attorney the truth?
 A. I knew that I should.
 o. And the states attorney didn't inquire, did he? In other words, MT. Carroll, let me understand this. Are you liar in plain English? Yes or no.
 A. No.
 o. All right. I'll read your testi- mony. Now before I do, MT. Carroll, again want to ask this question: |: ask you, are you liar? Yes or no.
 A. No.
 @. Just a moment, you know what lie means, don't you? A. Yes. Q. You're not in a habit of lying are you?
 A. No.
 o. By the way, you wouldn't lie to this jury, would you? Yes or no A. No. would try not to.
 Q. But you might lie if you were caught in jam?
 A. No.
 Reading from testimony before MT. Lewis:
 Q. We'll, now, MT. Carroll, do you recall an occasion in December when MT. Dunn instructed you to remove some records from the controllers office to the basement?
 A. No. didn't take anything from that office.
 McDonough: @. Were you asked that question and did you give that answer?
 A. Yes.
 Record: Q. Didn't you take any records from the controllers office? A. No I took no records from the controllers office. e. MT. Dunn was here a short time ago with MT. Sweeney. I un. derstand that you on his instruc. . tions took some records down from , the controllers office to the base. ment? A. We have separate door ir the basement. o. That's what I meant. In tht storeroom, did you take some rec. ords down for MT. Dunn?
 Contents Unknown A. I don't know what was in then no more than you do. They were in boxes. I don't know what wa. in them no more than you do. lWt put them on shelves. McDonough: Were you asked 1 those two questions and did you givt those answers? A. Yes. Record: e. They were in these transfer. cases? A. No, they were in a drawer like a regular drawer. : o. You mean down in the base. ' ment? A. Yes. o. But you removed them r tram cases, didn't you?
 4. We call them boxes. o. How many boxes did you take down from the controllers office? A. I couldn't say how many boxes l took down. Q. About how many would you say?
 A. I would say about IS or 20 boxes. Q. You took fifteen or twenty Were you assisted by anybody?
 A. Yes.
 Q. Who assisted you in the work? {?
 A. The superintendent and an- other janitor.
 o. What superintendent?
 (Here MT. Fitzgerald cut in with question:
 c. MT. Horgan assisted youp
 A. Yes.
 Q. And the other janitor?
 A. Frank Brice.
 @. About when in December was that, MT. Carroll?
 A. I think it was in November. ain't sure whether 1t was December or November. I wouldn't say for sure.
 Q. I think somebody stated here it was about the middle of Decem- Der.
 Does that refresh your recollec- tion?
 A. I wouldn't be sure.
 c. Or was it the latter part oi the year?
 A. The latter part of the year. ! McDonoueh: Were you asked