The Waterbury Democrat., 1939-03-10
CASE
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bound over to superior court on probable cause.
 The judge, however, commented tal1t the case of Miss Reed was not necessarily that of principal and that the city court was not the place to determine guilt on the charge of blackmail.
 Attorney Lawlor, at this juncture, remarked that he had intended seeking discharge of the blonde Cheshire girl and made such a mo- tion, which was denied. Court was to resume at about 2:30 when the defense may waive examination but seek to have the $5,000 bonds of Carrnody and Miss Reed reduced, the $3500 bond of Goldberg, who has been in jail since his arrest Tuesday night, lessened from its present amount of $3,500
 Gould Shoot Me"
 "He (Carmody) told me that Mrs. Goldberg (Goldberg's wife) was the kind of woman who would shoot me, if she knew about my knowing Gold berg" the witness said, in answer to a question. "IIe said they might go to my brothers, or sisters, my mothers, and how would like to have them know about something"
 To the question of whether Gold berg, as the defense contended throughout, had paid her money" the witness said:
 ''1'm not answering that"
 At one time, after defense courl- sel had pressed several times for answers to questions regarding her relations with Goldberg, regarding which Detective filling ahd testified that Goldberg had said money had been given passed, Attorney John F. Tobin, counsel for Mrs. Gagnon and to whom she went for advice Tues day before she met the defendants at Hotel Elton, addressed the court:
 Doesn't Have to Answer
 "As 8 friend of the court, I'd like to ask that the court instruct the witness that she does not have to answer questions that tend to ir1- crifninate her"
 Judge Conway so directed. Attor- ney Tobiii made his request after the witness had testified that she had gone to him for advice and that the police were called into the case by Attorney Tobin's suggestion.
 Goldberg, Carmody and Miss Reed were arrested after the conference at Hotel Elton where, it developed, Detective Lieutenant John Calvin was stationed outside.
 Gagnon Story Is Surprise
 The story of Mrs. Gagnon was the surprise of the case today, although revelations testified to by both County Detective filling and Inspec- tor Stevens concerned the mixed-up meetings of the three defendants and Mrs. Gagnon at her home Mon- day night, at The Elton, Tuesday afternoon, later at police headquar- ters.
 Much of the testimony of witt nesses was concerning relations of the complaining witness and Gold berg. But Mrs. Gagnun's own testi- mony was such that the court com- mented on its support of the charge of black1nail when denying the mo- ton for discharge of Miss Reed.
 T was so afraid that I didn't go to bed that Monday night" Mrs. Gagnon said, in one phase of her story.
 Visit of Goldberg
 This concerned the visit of Gold berg to her Mill street home Mon- day night when, she said, Goldberg told her ''he was in trouble"
 Carmody, across the street during sidewalk conversation outside the Gagnon home, was called over. He pleaded with Mrs. Gagnon, at first, she testified.
 ''Then he said that Id find out who he was if I didn't get the money; that he'd come to the fac- tory where I york;" said said.
 She told the court that she had been told both she and Goldberg would Ego to Wethersfield" for IS months if the money due from Goldberg to the bonding company wasn't made good.
 T didn't know but what it was a frame-up," She remarked.