The Waterbury Democrat., 1939-08-02

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 want to know. He wouldn't talk te
 the man who was Investigating
 Irregularities here in Waterbury.
 MT. Hickey testified he tried to
 find Philip Coppeto to have little
 talk with hir". Of course, he tried
 to find Borgnaes. Borgnaes sig
 nificantly left the country very shortly after that conference in New
 York with MT. Leary and MT. Weis- man. It was right after that con- ference, and 1t is right in the evil dence, ladies and gentlemen, shor.- ly after that conference he left--at last, he disappeared. And MT. Hickey testified he wasn't able to find him. MT. Hickey said, "Well, I tried to find MT. Leary but I didn't locate him to have a talk with hIm. I did have talk with MT. Purdie," said MT. Hickey. And at practically the outset of the conversation Purdie said, "Well, I'll talk but 1t will have to be off the record" MT. Hickey said, "Oh, no. No of the record talks" Is that the conduct of a man who had nothing to conceal? Ever single one of the defendants with whom MT. Hickey talked con- ducted himr,n the same way. No conspiracy? It couldn't be anything else, ladies an1 g:ntlemen. If Pur- die had been engaged in legitimate business transaction for the city of Waterbury, had been legally and regularly employed, why shouldn't t he have said to MT. Hickey, I'm detective just as you are. Per- haps not a good one, but a detec- tive.". was employed here by the city of Waterbury and will tell you everything you want to know" Was that his conduct? Was that his frame of lind? Just the opposite. He would talk but 1t must be of the records. MT. Hickey mad experi- ence enough to say, why. of course. 1t can't be off the records"
 With Alderman
 Then MT. Hickey said, T had a talk with MT. Alderman. I talked with him a couple of times. In one of those talks I asked him if he had been handling some of the warrants payable sheets and other records In the controllers office. Alderman sad he did, that he had the key to the office and access to the office" MT. Hickey's testimony is that Alderman said. T wc"',ed there every day and Sundays and nights" and that he was doing "a ntt,e job for Dan.' That's exactly what Purcell testified that Alderman told him. Doing a little job for Dan." MT. Hickey ques- tioned him about where some of those records were. And as ] recall his testimony, MT. Hickey pointed out to him that he had in his possess sion on the last or next to the last day of MT. Leary's incumbency in office some of the records that were now missing and, as I recall 1t, MT. Hickey reminded him that lot of warrants payable sheets had been taken out of the books and Alder man said he had been there and what about it?" And Alderman said, "Well, 1t looks bad for me-" Well, ladies and gentlemen, if you find any particular meaning in that state- ment or not, 1t seems to me that the whole statement, the whole testi- mony, are all of the claims of AL derman, perhaps, when he said 5n that witness stand, T didn't say any such thing. I didn't say anything that remotely or by any stretch of the imagination" But consider after that. There was no doubt in his mind that he said anything about that. Perhaps, ladies and gentlemen, you will believe Alderman in that. Perhaps you are, but l don't think you are. There is no reason on earth why MT. Hickey should come in here-a man with the experience he had, with the record he's had, with the recent recognition he's had would come in and make state- ments like that unless 1t were the truth. He has no interest n the results of this case except to see that justice is done. He came here to re- port accurately what he did and what was said to him. Alderman said, Not by an stretch of the Are you going to be- lieve Mir. Alderman who is interest ed in the results of this case, or, MT. Hickey?
 Kingsley and Murray
 Not only did he talk with Mir. Alderman but he had e talk with Mir. Kingsley and Mir. Murray. MT. Hickey's testimony is that he had made arrangements for MT. Borg naes and MT. Troy to come to Wa terbury and appear before the grand jury. His testimony is that on the date that Borgnaes and Troy were supposed to appear here, Mir. Meaney and MT. Troy appeared, and MT. Meaney had with him . doctors cer- tificate which is in evidence here and dated almost 6 month before. as [ remember 1t. Mfr Meaney end MT. Troy. Not Mr. Dorsnaes and Mir. Troy. So Ms. Hickey than tsie.