The Waterbury Democrat., 1939-04-18
A. I wanted to tell the truth.
 Several Contradictions

o1I GllCIC III yOuA OAldA, INAbs IMoC@ kerlzie, did it ever occur to you the number of times on material mat ters in your grand jury testimony that you and Williamson contra dicted each other?
 A. Several times.
 o. So you realize, don't you, that there is a wide variance between what you claim, even now, as the truth in this situation and what MT. Williamson claimed was the truth in this situation when he tes- tif1ed here in open court. Is that right?
 A. believe 50.
 Record: You are even willing to go into court to tell the same story you told here, are you?
 A. Anything you say, yes, sir.
 Murray:
 Q. Then you were in sate of mind where you were going to agree with the learned states attorney on any suggestion he might make?
 Alcorn: Why not read the next question before you interrogate?
 Murray: Will you kindly direct any objection you may have to the court?
 Alcorn: Well, I object, your honor. Murray: That is the way to act as lawyer.
 A. If you can't prove anything, you don't like
 o. If you were in our position, whom would you summon to ask that question of?
 A. wouldn't know.
 o. Would you summon Fred Baker?
 A. Well, I don't know anything about what Fred Baker would know about 1t.
 Murray: o. Did Fred Baker have any, thing to do with lobbying in the leg. islature?
 A. Yes, sir. Not Employed
 o. Did he have any employment by the municipality of Waterbury? A. No.
 Record: o. Were he and Williamson close in dealing? A. No, no.
 o. If there was any tie-up 1t could be between Baker and Will lard? A. Yes, sir. Juror: MT. Foreman, I would like to make this suggestion that we strike of the record if he will give us a lead to go on who his opinion would be. Will that be satisfactory? Murray: @. You knew, didn't you, MT. Mackenzie, that you were under oath, the stenographer was present taking notes of the answers you made?
 A. Yes, sir. Record: o. It isn't anything I say. It is the truth want. Murray: Is that what you wanted read? Alcorn: That is just exactly what I wanted read
 Everybody's Happy
 Murray: Now. everybody's happy. Record:
 o. You say, that your opinion was the same as ours. What do you think our opinion is?
 Murray: You had no way of know ing what the jurors opinion was, did you? A. No.
 o. Who do you think we rather suspect of that? A. There is only three-tWo peo- Y, pie that was doing business with me. -.
 Q. Who were they?
 A. MT. Leary and MT. William son. MT. Williamson tried to say that I got twice as much as I did to cover himself up. Now, it must have been one of the two and MT. Williamson is the one who has got to cover up.
 Murray: Did you mean that an- swer?
 A. I believe I did at the time.
 Q. Do you mean it now?
 A. No.
 Record:
 Q. Do you think he may have giv- en the balance to MT. Leary? A. He might have done.
 Further on:
 @. The reason he wanted you to take the blame for half of it was on his income tax. Did that have anything to do with 1t? A. No. o. MT. Williamson; have you any other communications. with Leary since that meeting at Danbury on December 22, 1887? A. Yes, sir. @. What did he want to see you about? A. Talking about the bills and then spoke about those checks and vouchers. Q. What did he say about every thing? A. The checks he spoke about the way the checks were cashed. He just said some way-he was going to say the checks were cashed that way.
 o. What did you tell him? I Didn't Care A. didn't tell him anything. didn't care one way or another.
 o. In other words, he was look ing for defense to his actions?
 A. suppose so.
 Q. Did he ask you to do any, thing? A. The thing he wanted to know was how Williamson was going to say how the checks were cashed. O. What did I,earv Sav he was