The Waterbury Democrat., 1939-07-14
Transcript OF Tilt
 M Court Yesterday

Europe on the Swedish Line. I told them that they knew about It. Mir. Kingsley told me that he had learned about 1t since the previous day when I had talked on the phone with Murray and he told me that he was on leave of absence, that his wife had told me that he was on @ leave of absence from his concern and that he was on half pay" Is that right2
 A. No.
 e. None of 1t is true?
 A. Insofar as I'm concerned. He didn't mention anything about Borgnaes In my presence. came up to the grand jury and I told them just as l related 1t before.
 c. Isn't 1t Q fact he said further to MT. Hickey in your presence that he had been off on sick leave and he had come in the office on March 28. They stated that that was the last they had heard of him? A. MT. Alcorn, the whole trouble with you Is that you've got some crazy ideas and you are trying to say different things. l want to get right down to brass tacks. Murray and MT. Hickey were together and had whatever talk they had with regard to the men or Borgnaes. I was in conference and I only went into that office for @ few minutes as I explained. MT. Hickey invited us to go up. I was pleased to go up. As I explained I didn't stay there and had no chat with Hickey about anything else. With MT. Murray, if he had any conversation, that may be so, but not in my presence. Therefore, 1t isn't true when he said I was there.
 Q. Didn't you tell him that day when you, Murray and Hickey were together?
 A. You're wasting time because all the things MT. Hickey spoke of was never said in my presence. I have heard him repeat that.
 c. Did you have some talk with him that he didn't repeat?
 Ready to Testify
 A. The only conversation had with MT. Hickey was when he told Us we should come up and told him we should be very happy to come up and explained to him that MT. Meaney should return to New York while we were in Water- bury. You didn't hear him say any, thing about that. Tn addition to that, MT. Hickey called you up to ask if we came up the next day If you could put us on. couldn't stay too long in Waterbury. I couldn't sit up here as have had to do for seven months, and didn't even want to do that for two or three days. was willing to come up. We tried to cooperate with you; we even offered you everything else we had, and still because Borgnacs left, that is why we are in this case. haven't heard anything yet that they could make 1t otherwise. What is more, we were not even in- volved and because Borgnaes left. If he had stayed here, don't think we would. have been here. l am as sure as possible you would not have me running around in this case if Borgnaes were here, and think Borgnaes would be here except for his health. I think if he was in good health, he would be sitting here as we are doing.
 e. Have you finished?
 A. Yes. I've finished.
 Q. And all the rest of 1t that MT. Hickey attributes to you is a fabrication?
 A. All that he attributes to me is fabrication, yes sir.
 e. You heard MT. Weisman say that Leary telephoned for Weisman to come down. Did you hear that9
 A. Yes.
 e. And that weisman and Leary and Borgnaes met in a hotel in New York?
 A. Something like that. matter?
 A. No, sir.
 Q. Never read about its
 A. Never heard about 1t until Weisman mentioned 1t.
 e. You didn't see MT. Leary? A. No.
 c. You said you never heard of anything wrong in the city. Did you know about the Levy situation?
 4. No. sir.
 First Information
 c. When did you first hear about that and moneys being paid out? A. Tn the courtroom. c. Wasn't there anything wrong about the Levy eontracts