The Waterbury Democrat., 1939-04-18

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 some that he wanted to account for.
 o. In your opinion, who would be the logical people to get that, MT. Mackenzie? The ones you were do- ing business with or the ones he was pretending to do business with?
 "Kick Back"
 A. Of course, it was either way you want to put it.
 Q. It might have been a "kick back?
 Al am just presuming like you are.
 o. MT. Mackenzie, isn't it at all probable that MT. Williamson got the same amount that you did and 5O9o was kicked back?
 A. Yes, sir.
 o. MT. Mackenzie, there were three of you in the little party that you had there in Danbury.
 A. Yes.
 0. Did the money stay all in that little set-up?
 A. I couldn't answer that.
 0. Isn't it your opinion that 1t did?
 A. Well, if you will take it with reservations, of course, 8 man don't like. to accuse a man of anything. The fact that he wanted me to have had half of 1t shows that un- less he got proof that somebody else was in 1t, that was where you would presume it was.
 Juror: MT. Williamson, here is another question I would like to ask you. You got thousand dollars from a man named Salzman to fight against the Fair Trade Bill, didn't you?
 A. Yes.
 o. Or to work against 1t rather?
 A.. No, that was from a cosmetic what is the name of those stores? @. Those small stores that sell cut-rate?
 A. Are they in that outfit, too?
 @. That is just what it is. Then you and Williamson got three or four thousand dollars to fight against that bill or the other way to fight for it. ..
 A. I didn't commit that at all, brother. ,,..-..
 Q. It looks as if you got 1t coming and going. t
 A. If you say they are one of those cut-rates, the Same-you could put it that way, but no intention.
 Murray:
 Q. Do you know what the an- SWer means? -..
 A. No.
 Other Side of Fence
 Juror: Did Senator Lawlor have anything to do with the work up there during that session?
 A. don't know anything about him. He is on the other side of the fence and I never spoke to him about 1t while he was up there. @. Those were the people you were dealing with-the men on the other side of the fence. That is where your money came from. A. Sure-no credit to me.
 Juror: MT. Mackenzie, you were about to mention the name of this third party a minute ago who you think might have kept the balance of that money. Who was he? Not Surprised
 o. And didn't it strike you as amazing that the grand jury should make the suggestion to you, witt ness, that if you gave a name that it would be left of the records of the grand jury? A. No. Record: Q. There are only two other par ties in it. Those are the two that got the kick-back.
 A. don't know any more than you do, brother. st# Murray:
 @. Did you make that answer?
 @. And you meant it, didn't you9 A. Yes.
 @. Was that true? A. No.
 | o. So, again you perjured your self, is that 1t? A. Yes.
 Record: Juror: MT. Mackenzie, just now you're going to receive credit for re- ceiving $29,000. You claim that you received about 15. Now, when the government decides to charge you up on your incomes taxes, there is difference of $l4,000 that is going to be charged up to you, the way things stand now. A.. We'll
 e, It looks as though it will be to your advantage if there is any way.
 A. It isn't going to be charged up to me and have them get away with it because I didn't get it.
 A. I am willing to help, MT. AL corn, in any way I can if there is anything you want me to do. Murray: What did you mean by I