The Waterbury Democrat., 1939-04-07

course, on your own responsibility? A. We'll, I did, anyway.
 @. Did you talk to MT. Hayes about taking on Mackenzief A. No.
 0. Did MT. Hayes preside at the session of the senate when these matters were considered by the sen- ate in regard to the City of Water- bury?
 A. Absolutely he did. There was- mt much trouble in regard to the senate-the trouble was expected in the house.
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 o. The House was Republican? A. That's true.
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 @. Didn't have any trouble with the House? A. No.
 No Opposition @. You got a favorable report from the committee and 1t went through the House without opposi- tion at all?
 A. Yes.
 o. You didn't have to bribe any, body to get them through?
 A. I never resorted to bribing anybody, yet.
 Q. You didn't pay out of your money that you received from Wa terbury for legislation? A. MT. Alcorn, have never paid dollar to a member of the assem- bly, in my life and never paid a dollar to anybody in connection with political fights. I contributed to campaigns, of course. o. Tell me how much you receiv- ed from Waterbury in the session of 1885. A. $24,4O0. Q, When was the date that Leary first contacted you for the City of Waterbury?
 A. Very early in the session. I couldn't give you the date-first week or second.
 Q. You were already employed or were interested in the Sterilizer proposition that Leary was interest," ed in? A. Oh, no, MT. Alcorn, that didn't come up until, I should say, in the middle of the session.
 Q. mean, during the session MT, Leary was interested in the Steril- izer Company?
 A. had not heard of the Steril- izer proposition at the time, When the Sterilizer situation came out, I had not heard a thing about 1t. The report of the thing coming out-I had nothing to do with 1t. They passed 1t in the senate. My recol- lection is that 1t was g senate bill It passed the senate and there was an amendment stuck on to 1t in the house, There was disagreement and the senate stood pat and asked for 8 committee of Conference, and finally the house received it and concur red.
 Sterilizer Company
 o. Who was on the Committee of Conference?
 A. I don't recall. That was the first had heard of the So-called Sterilizer Company,
 @. What other matters in the session of 1885 were MT. Hayes and Leary interested in, do you know?
 A. Frankly. I don't know. sup pose indirectly he was interested 1T liquor. would say indirectly, but a. far as I was concerned there were no direct talks about liquor. He wal in the Diamond Ginger Ale Com pany and, of course, he was inter ested in the liquor bills.
 e. He was interested in the Fail Trade Bill, was he?
 A. I don't think so.
 e. Was MT. Hayes in 1885?
 A. Frankly, I never heard any talk from MT. Leary or Hayes.
 Q. You got another check ir 1935-check for 5000, voucher No 7589. Is that right?
 A. Yes.
 o. Did you know that these items were not entered on the books oi Waterbury until June 1885?
 A. No, I didn't. The only thing knew about that was what read in the papers.
 o, Did you know that they were charged to interest on Heating debts?
 A. Only what saw in the news papers.
 0. In April 1885 you received another check for $3,400?
 A. I don't know the number oi the voucher. The check was made payable to me.
 @. $24.400?
 A. That's right?
 o. Did you split that with any, body?
 A. MT. Mackenzie got half of 1t.
 o. MT. Mackenzie got $12,500.
 A. Whereabouts.
 Q. In what form did he get it?
 A. Cash.
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 o. Were you asked those ques- tions and did you make those ans- wers?
 A. Yes. | @. And when you were asked the questions. did you understand what they meant? l, A I believe so.
 0. Have you got any doubt about it?
 Q. Have you got any doubt about it?
 "A. No.
 Full Realization
 Q. And when you made the ans wers, you made them fully con- scious of their significance and meaning, didn't you? | A. Yes.
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 @. You gave him $12,5O0 at one time?
 A. Oh, no, As the checks came through. | Q. Take for instance. this check -check of February 1885 for $12,- 900. Did you cash that check? Was 1t put through your bank?
 A. No. That was cashed,
 @. Where did you cash it? | A. I didn't cash 1t.
 Q. Who did?
 A. had MT, Leary cash 1t. | Hu eN ttHA aIN Anl,