The Waterbury Democrat., 1939-04-20
Horgan Denies He Told
 Janitors To Tell Lies
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down to the store room" When they arrived at the store room, ac- cording to Morgan, Dunn pointed to some packing boxes and said, T want to take some of these out of here. v Horgan said that Dunn told him the boxes to take out. T said ok or something" continued the witness.
 Got Carroll, Brice
 'I went and got Carroll and Brice and we got trucks and took 'em." he continued.
 "Do you know what the papers were?" asked Alcorn.
 In fervent voice, the witness re- piled, "No, sir, do not"
 Morgan said that he did not go down to the boiler room himself. The empty boxes, he said were brought back to the storage room by the janitors. The task required about an hour.
 The direct examination, by AL corn lasted from 12;36 p. m, to 12:47 D. m.
 Didn't See Kelly
 Attorney Thomas F. McDonough brought from Horgan that Thomas F. Kelly was not in the storeroom, and that he did not see Kelly or get any orders from him that morn ing.
 Alcorn objected when McDonough asked, Kelly wasn't there was he?" Alcorn insisted that McDonough ir- dicate where he meant by there" Finally McDonough asked if Kelly had been in the storage room or basement, and Morgan replied in the negative.
 McDonough asked Horgan if Brice was under the domination of Car roll" and Horgan replied that they were together lot"
 Tells Story of Brice
 Horgan then recounted his story about Brice telling him that Car roll was lying on the stand.
 Atty. John H. Cassidy asked "What you did was not in the pursuance of any agreement?'
 Certainly not" replied Morgan emphatically.
 Did you know of any conspir- acy to cheat and defraud the city of Waterbury," continued Cassidy
 "No, I did not" replied Morgan in the same flat tone.
 Did you ever tell Carroll to tell the grand jury or the court that only F or IS boxes were removed?'' he was asked.
 His face a bright red, the Irish superintendent of the city hall said, ''Mo, did not!'
 Morgan Was Highlight
 Horgan's testimony was the high light of 8 morning session that had been important previously only on the strength of the trip to the city hall taken by the jury, head ed by Judge Inglis, accompanied by Special Prosecutor Alcorn and his staff, defense counsel and a few defendants.
 Under the guidance of Police Cap tain William J. Duggan and Deputy Sheriffs Christ Olsen and Glenn Briotti, the jurors, 10 men and four women, walked the block from the courthouse to city hall.
 Entering the municipal building, they made their way to the base ment, and were shown the control ler's store room, from which the records were allegedly taken.
 On the outer door was sign, positively No Admittance Except on Business, Per Order, Superin- tendent of Building"
 After being shown the paddock hasps on the inner door of the store room and racks for holding packing cases, the jurors were taken to the boiler rooms for a view of the fur naces, where the papers are al- legedly burned.
 Judge Inglis Warns
 Before leaving the courthouse Judge Inglis had advised the state and defense counsel to make all their remarks to him. He had also asked the jurors to make no comment Half a dozen newspapermen accom- panied the party on the official tour of inspection, which resembles that taken by the grand jury a year ago Defense counsel pointed out to the jury the stone floor, over which the iron-wheeled wagon was alleged ly dragged in taking the records to the basement.
 ODonnell Takes Stand
 Following the tour, the group re- turned to the courthouse and James ODonnell, city hall boilerman, took the stand. He testified only under state examination the defense not caring to cross-examine.
 He could not remember sthe date but he recalled having burned papers, which were brought to the boiler room by janitors. He iden- tified the boxes in the courtroom as similar to those which contained the records.
 The trip to city hall required but half an hour.
 Corroborates Carroll
 Brice was on the stand at the start of the session. He corroborated the story told by Carroll yesterday, ad- mitting, T told a false story before but I'm telling the truth now.
 He denied that he told Horgan yesterday that Carroll was Lying and I would have to stand back of him." He said that he merely ob- served that Carroll got excited"
 T said he was telling the truth and I would tell the same thing" he claimed.
 Told Three Stories
 Attorney William J. Wholean. counsel for Martin J. Dunn, learned from Brice that he told three stories --one to the grand jury-one to States Attorney Lewis--and an- other in court. He claimed that the one told in court was "the truth.
 Horgan testified that he has lived 41 years in Waterbury and that he is represented by Judge John F. McDonough of Waterbury and Nau- gatuck. He has been superintendent of city hall for r years, he said, first being appointed by Mayor Francis P. Guilfoile, with the ap- proval of the board of works. Mayor TYn,ao ar,xoinfarl I,ty,o yvanet ranayfI,,