The Waterbury Democrat., 1939-03-23

know of any large sums of money paid to Williamson of Darien, Spell lacy firm, Attorney Weisman, Car mody & Thoms, or Judge McGrath. He said he knew that some money was paid to MT. Guilfoile, but he couldn't say whether or not it was a large sum.
 @. Do you know a man named John s. Johnston?
 A. No.
 @. Do you know that there was a sum of money in excess of $200,000 paid him?
 A. No.
 @. Do you know of any large pay ment to Phil Coppeto or the Abri- gador Digger? A. No, not specifically.
 o. Or Santalucia?
 A. No, not specifically.
 Q. Do you know whether Santa lucia had any other business? A. No. No Vouchers Attorney Murray:
 @. During the prior administra- tion (Guilfoile's), at least during the four years that you saw service on the board of finance in the prior administration, were there any vouchers brought to the meetings? A. No.
 Q. Did any members of the board of finance, to your knowledge, ever ask that vouchers be brought in? A. No.
 o. So, is 1t correct that substan- tially the same practice was fol- lowed in the Hayes-Leary admins tration that had been followed in the four years prior, in respect to the conduct of the board of finance?
 A. Yes, except in respect to the so-called warrants payable sheets @. In the ol dwarrants payable sheets they were not called warrants payable register sheets. I think they were called something else. They were called journal sheets, weren't they?
 A. Yes.
 0. Up to 1930 and for some time in 193O, when you were shown sheets that the members of the board of finance signed, the items were des- ignated, weren't they? A. They were. o. And then some time in 1880, you got a new type of sheet that was handed to the board of finance to sign. Is that correct? A. Yes.
 o. And those sheets containing symbols that I cali football signals did you ever know what the syn1- bols meant on the warrants payable sheet? A. I.didn't, but it didn't make any difference. o. just asked if you did. A. No, I didn't. o. Yes. I suppose it didn't make any difference to you. A. It is immaterial-simply a bookkeeping clue.
 o. Now, isn't it a fact, MT. Judge, that you relied upon Purcell, the chief accountant in the controllers office, for the precision of the items that appeared on the warrants sheets?
 A. I certainly did.
 o. You didn't depend upon Con- troller Leary, did you?
 A. Partly, not altogether.
 Deuended on Purcell @. And you knew, didn't you, you, that, Controller Leary depended upon MT. Purcell in the same rense that you did?
 A. I believe he did.
 Q. And you still believe it. don't you?
 A. Yes.
 Attorney Peck:
 o. Do you know how much the Templeton concern got from the city during the eight years?
 A. I don't know. o. You did know, didn't you, M-. Judge, that the city of Water bury spent about $6,000,000 a year. A. I did. 0. And I take it that you must hay, known that some of the items ran pretty big figures?
 A. I did. @. take it you are one of the Republican mmebers.
 A. I am.
 o. At the end of several years that you were with the board of finance. some of the appropriations were overdrawn?
 A. They were.
 o. So that some financial ar- angements had been necessary in or der to straighten out the appro- priations?
 A. Transfers between depart ments.
 Further on.
 @. Well, do you know that the state legislature passed two or three acts with respect to a resource sink ing fund. The only effect that it had on the finances of the city was on the bookkeeping, wasn't it?
 A. That is all it amounted to.
 e. It didn't add money to the city of Waterbury or increase its ob- legations?
 Devils Device
 A. That is very hard to under stand. The resource sinking fund seemed to be a device of the devil
 o. Did you understand symbol on the warrants payable sheet which indicated that an appropriation was overdrawn?
 A. No, didn't.
 0. You knew, as a matter of fact, that certain appropriations were overdrawn?
 A. Yes.
 0. And particularly during the depression. you knew that the well fare deparment and public works department were largely overdrawn?
 A. knew the welfare depart ment was partly overdrawn and the street department was overdrawn.
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