The Waterbury Democrat., 1939-04-04


 A. MT. Leary brought that inter- est to my attention.
 o. And you remember when il was he brought that to your atten- tion?
 A. Early in Janury 1885.
 o. Previous to that, had you known MT. Hayes?
 A. I don't know whether I hac met Mayor Hayes before that time or after.
 @. How long had you known MT Leary before that time?
 A. I didn't know MT. Leary be. fore the session convened in 1885.
 o. That was the first time yor had met him?
 A. Yes.
 0. Do you remember where you first met him? A. I believe I met him on the Senate floor, outside of the Senate chamber.
 o. In 1885?
 A. Yes.
 Q. Do you remember what montl, that was?
 A. January.
 Knows Mackenzie
 o. Now, l suppose you knew MT Mackenzie?
 A. Yes.
 o. Whether you and he were to- gether during the session of 1885?
 A. A great deal.
 o. Can you tell whether MT Mackenzie was interested in the same things you were interested in?
 A. He had an interest in prac- tically everything I had an interest
 o. Would it be fair to say that you worked together in respect to those matters in the legislature of 1885?
 A. Oh, yes.
 o. Whether or not you met MT Leary with respect to any matter concerning the City of Waterbury during the session of 1885? 1 A. Yes.
 o. Do you remember where YOU first met him? A. l think 1t was outside of the senate chamber in 1885, and he spoke to me very briefly about Wa terbury matters and I told him he better get in contact with MT. Mac kenzie.
 o. Whether or not you met with MT. Mackenzie later in the day. A. Yes. o. And where did you meet him? A, In the capitol. | o. What part of the capitol did you meet in? A. I couldn't say whether 1t was on the House floor or on the senate floor-a very brief meeting. Three Meet o. Who was present at that meeting?
 A. Just MT. Mackenzie, MT. Leary and myself.
 Q. Did you have another meet ing later in the day?
 A. No. Q. When was the next time that you met?
 A. Why-I don't quite recall within a few days. It may have been a week, three days or it may have been ten.
 Q. After you had met MT. Leary and had this talk with him, whether or not you met MT. Hayes?
 A. At that time, I don't recall any particular contact with Mayor Hayes.
 o. Later did you contact with him?
 A. I met him, of course, a great many times during that session and I think I met him at every ses- sion.
 0. Do you recall where you first met him?
 A. I don't.
 @. Do you recall whether any, thing was said by him or by you with respect to Waterbury matters? A. Well, he did from time to time give me instructions. After we got interested in Waterbury matters, Mayor Hayes would give me instruc- tions as to whether to pass the bills or whether he didn't want them passed.
 o. Go on in your own way and tell the jury of any contacts you had with MT. Hayes.
 Stated Preference
 A. They were from time to time in the senate room during recess. There were a great many bills possibly 60 bills in 1885, and from time to time he referred as to what bills Waterbury wanted and what bills weren't wanted.
 o. Did you talk with him or to MT. Leary in respect to any partic- ular difficulties they were having with any individual?
 A. should say there wasn't any particular difficulty about any par ticular individual.
 o. Up to that time, whether or not you had made any arrange ments with MT. Hayes or MT. Leary to interest yourself in Waterbury matters?
 A. Not at that time.
 e. Did you later?
 A. Concerned with the bond is- sues of 1935-moSt of which were passed. Nothing was said about the fees. I heard nothing about fees until MT. Mackenzie told me that MT. Leary was in the building and wanted to pay us for the work we had been doing.
 o. Up to that time, had you seen MT. O'Conner, the corporation coun. sel of the City of Waterbury? A. No.
 Q. Did you see him at any time during the session of the legisla- ture?
 A. During 1885?
 @. Yes.
 A. I may have run into him once or twice.
 Q. Have any talk with him at allP A. No.
 Q. As a result of this talk you had with MT. Mackenzie about pay, will you go on from there and tell the jury what took place?