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years, but went right back into the habit. He. claims now that he has been cured since July, 1888, ale though he admits he was under the influence of dope when he appeared before the grand jury last year.
 He has never been addicted to alcohol, he said. He is re-married. Mackenzie admitted under cross examination of Attorney Murray that it was not the loss of his wife, that caused him to go back to the dope after taking the cure ten years ago, but an operation.
 Conference With Olsen
 Mackenzie, according to the grand jury minutes, had conference with Carl D, Olsen, who is related to him by marriage, at Bethel in Feb ruary, 1888, at which Olsen told him he never got a cent"
 Missing Records Talked Of
 They talked about the city's miss ing records, Mackenzie said, but Ol- sen told him James P. Purcell had made notes of all payments, "and the records might as well be -there.' '' Attorney Murray brought from the witness that the conference fol- lowed publicity about missing rec ords and that Olsen might have read about it in the paper. Mac kenzie, who told the grand jury there was no reason why he should protect Olsen, a relative by mar riage, also said that he told Olsen There's only one thing want to tell you-to tell the truth (before the grand jury) and that's all."
 Mackenzie, who told the grand jury that Roraback believed there was mo law and order" in Water bury, was asked by Murray, q SUD- pose you were red hot for law and order"
 Couldn't Understand
 On several occasions he could not himself understand the answers he made to the grand jury. When the grand jury asked him if Roraback had said with reference to split of money, That's the way they do things in Waterbury" Mackenzie said, T don't think MT. Roraback ever knew a thing about it, MT. Alcorn, talk with him about it. .'' Williamson quoted Mackenzie as telling him such was the comment of Roraback concerning the split.
 Mackenzie admitted today that he knew Roraback was dead at the time he made the reference. Were you inviting the states attorney to talk with Roraback?" asked Murray "It doesn't make sense," replied Mackenzie. Tt doesn't sound right"
 Crawford Absent
 Attorney George Crawford of the defense forces was missing from the court again today, as the 18th week Of the trial was convened. Today,s session was the 59th, B of which have been featured by presentation of evidence in the trial which in- wolves g men on charges of con- spring to cheat and defraud the city of Waterbury.
 Mackenzie was on the stand for the fourth day, as Defense Attorney Murray continued the reading of the testimony which he gave before the grand jury. Under previous questioning he has admitted that he perjured himself, and that on at least three occasions he gave answers which conflict to the story he is telling now for the state.
 The witness has pleaded guilty to the charge of conspiracy, has ad- mitted being 8 dope fiend for 15 years before cure was taken last summer, and has connected him. self with Charles E. Williamson of Darien, another accused and the late J. Henry Roraback as the Gin visible government" of the state of Connecticut.
 Today it was shown that he told the grand jury that he, Williamson and Leary were "worried'> over the possibility that James P. Purcell chief accountant in the controllers office, might have records to SUD- plant those which Leary allegedly told them had been destroyed.
 Mackenzie said that Leary did not tell them the name of the "man in the office." however. Asked by Murray, how he knew Leary was worried, at the meeting in Danbury Mackenzie admitted, T was just thinking without knowing"
 Very Serious
 Two or three times, Mackenzie told the grand jury, Williamson tried to argue him into telling the inquiring body that he had received half of the amount of the checks made out in the name of William son. He denied that Williamson argued with him "a dozen times on the subject, but admitted "he was very serious about it."
 T wouldn't agree to say got more than got" said Williamson T thought it was crazy" The wit ness denied Attorney Murray's in- ference that he might have had "a sneaking suspicion that Williamson got the rest of the money"
 Williamson, as a witness for the state, claimed that he divided the money, amounting to $58,400 in 1885 and 1887 with Leary and Macken- zie. Leary kept half the amount, he SdlQs dIAQ 41C 6kAAO 4NAesNhCA4AAO oR4St the other half.
 At various times during the read. ing of the grand jury testimony Murray accented the occasions wher Mackenzie, in answering questions addressed his juror questioner al brother"
 He created bit of humor in what were otherwise comparatively dry proceedings by asking Mackenzie il he were "fraternizing" with tht grand jurors, or accepting them in to his lodge"
 'Who in your opinion got the other part?" asked the gyand jury of Mackenzie, with reference to tht other 3-4 of the money paid to Will liamson by the city.
 Hard To Say
 That's hard to say if you don't know" was the reply. T wouldn't
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