The Waterbury Democrat., 1939-05-04
Thoms Claims $13O, ,2O8 Fair, Reasonable Payment

A. 1906-1909.
 @. Now, you are a member of the law firm?
 A. Yes.
 @. What is the name of the firm? A. Carmody & Thoms.
 Q. Between 1881 and November 1887 whether or not you received from time to time checks from the city of Waterbury,
 A. Yes.
 e. Do you keep any books upon which notations have been made? A. Yes-original bookkeeping rec ords of receipts and disbursements. o. Make any charge on the books against the City of Waterbury?
 A.. No, I never did that, but the receipts of course appear in my books. @. Were there any books in your firm or kept by you personally which would record charges against the City of Waterbury from 1881 to January 1, 1888?
 A. Not charges, payments. o. Whether or not during that period of 1931-1937 the City of We- terbury appears on your books as client?
 A. In relation to payments, yes.
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 o. That is, you got records of payments, is that right, and noth- ing else? A. Yes. Q. You have no records of charges, at all?
 A. No.
 @. How much money was receiv- ed from the city of Waterbury by the firm of Carmody & Thoms in June, 1881?
 A. $10,158.70.
 Q. In November 1882, did you personally receive anything?
 A. I think I received 5000.
 o. For November 1892, you re- ceived $8,OO0?
 A. I thi"k that's correct. o. Now, in 1882 again in June, did you receive any money from the city?
 A. I think with that payment it makes up the total of $10,500. 15s'7oP ti - "'"' -' '''N ' " 'N'' A. Yes.
 o. And in November and June of 1882 there were $10,500?
 A. Yes. That's the total for the year which appears in my books.
 o. Now, those three payments were made to you personally?
 A. I'm not quite sure, but know the check was made out to me. o. Now, pass to 1883, did you re- ceive any money from the city?
 A. $18,225, according to my records.
 o. Now, in 1884, did you receive any money?
 A. I received $17,5o0 January 31. @. That would be total of $46,- 225? A. About that.
 O. Now, you pass to the year 1935. How much was paid to the firm Carmody & Thoms in 1885? A. $1S,OOO.
 @. Now, in 1886.
 A. $26,825.
 Q. Now, in 1887.
 A. One check of $12,00O and one check for $17,000 in November. e. That makes a total for 1887 of $29,000. Is that right.
 A. That is the total received, yes, but part of it was for 1886 work. o. Now, 1886 you got $26,825? A. At the beginning of the year. yes.
 Didn't Add Elm
 o. Now, let me see, the total for 1881, 1888, 1935, 1887 is $83, ,983.70 Now, the total paid to William E. Thomas, Carmody & Thomas from the city of Waterbury from June 1881 to November 1897 is $l30, ,208.7O Is that correct?
 A. It could be. didn't add them up.
 Q. Now, MT. Thoms, who em- ployed you?
 A. The corporation counsel and the mayor.
 o. Who employed you in 1881? A. The corporation counsel and the mayor.
 o. But who actually did?
 Objection by Atty. Murray over- ruled.)
 A. AS I say, the corporation counsel and the mayor.
 o. Who employed you in 1882? A. All I could say is the corpora tion counsel and the mayor. o. Who first spoke to you about it?
 A. I would say the corporation counsel.
 @. He first spoke to you?
 A. Yes, but I wouldn't be abso- lutely sure, of course. o. You say in 1881, you were en- gagged to work on that charter2
 A. Yes.
 o. You heard MT. Guilfoile testify just few minutes ago?
 A. Yes.
 o. He worked on the charter2 A. Yes, he did.
 e. Allu llc WOlkcu WlbIl yOur A. Yes. o. Who else worked on the char ter?
 A. I think Mir. Weisfnan.
 o. Who employed you in 1896?
 A. The corporation counsel.
 o. What did he ask you to do? Studied Bills
 A. In the first place, I looked over all tn, proposed legislation. There was great deal of 1t In 1887. I reviewed all the bills; in fact, I think drew all of them and sent them back to the mayors office and the corporation counsel.
 e. Now these two checks that you got in November 1887, that was after the October election?
 A. Yes. .
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