The Waterbury Democrat., 1939-04-11

1 induce the United States govern. ment to prosecute you for an income tax fraudulently returned by you? A. I didn't think of the possible prosecution. I thought of the annoy. ance in checking up. @. That is, you didn't want to gt through the trouble of going through your records? A. I'd just as soon go through my records.
 Q. But you consider that annoy. ance? A. Most people dc. o. You had all your records? A. Yes. Kept Records
 @. You were connected with z large law firm that kept its record. weren't you? A. That's right. @. And it was out of the law firm that you got your income? A. Right.
 @. And weren't the books of tht
 
 A. Always have been.
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 e. You presumed you would heal further?
 A. presume so.
 @. You probably expect to, don't you?
 A. suppose so.
 @. Were you asked that question and did you make that answer?
 A. I believe so.
 o. And when the states attor- ney put that question to you, il raised, more or less, fear and trepi. dation in your mind, didn't it?
 A. No.
 0. You were afraid, weren't you!
 A. No.
 o. Didn't the states attorney ask the question in menacing tone oi voice?
 A. No.
 @. And with a suggestion that it probably would be too bad for you?
 A. No.
 Q. So you had no concern about that question the states attorney asked you?
 A. Not too much, no.
 Q. You had some, didn't you?
 A. Perhaps SO.
 o. And that fear or concern that you had lied in your conduct in your subsequent answers in your third appearance before the grand jury, didn't it? A. No. No Solicitation Record:- Q. Now, had MT. Leary contact ed Mackenzie before this meeting in 1887 in Waterbury or did Mac kenzie solicit the business on that day? A. No. I don't think he solicited business at all. I don't know what contact was made. Further on: K
 o. Wasn't it part of your jot and part of Mackenzie's job to pre- vent strike legislation?
 A. We'll, you see, on that pro- gram there were things that they wanted and things they wanted they got. I wouldn't call it strike legis- lation. I don't call it strike legis- lation myself. because figure any, body from any community, whether they do it as 8 member of the As- sembly or not, has got right to further what they want to further You've got to give people credit for trying to do something, even though you don't agree with it. Isn't that true?
 o. Well, now - one of the big bills, Waterbury was interested in was having her trunk lines put through. Don't you know that some arrangement had been made that some very eminent counsel was to be paid by the City of Waterbury for legal services in the General Assembly?
 A. MT. Alcorn, until I saw it in the newspaper, I didn't know there was anyone connected with Assem- bly, work. I thought was in charge of their whole legislative program and patted myself on the back for having big job.
 Were you asked these questions and did you make those answers?
 A. Yes.
 S96,OOO Paid
 o. Well, it is disclosed by such records that we have that there were over $96,00O paid by the City of Waterbury during 1887. Did you tell this jury that there were $96,00O of legal work to the City of Waterbury during 1887 in the General Assembly?
 A. Well, MT. Alcorn, I don't know that that amount of money had been paid nor did I know that a single dollar had been paid until I read it in the newspaper.
 @. That doesn't answer my ques- tion. You believed that there was any legitimate expenditure of $96,- GOO on lawyers in the interest of the City of Waterbury in the Gen. eral Assembly during the session of 1887?
 A. Seems like big sum.
 Outrageous
 o. Wouldn't you go a little fur- ther than that and say it was an outrageous sum?
 A. It seems so.
 o. Were you asked those ques- tions and did you make those ans wers?
 A. Yes.
 0. Of course, you understood at that time that MT. Alcorn was ask ing you for your opinion. Is that right?
 A. Couldn't be anything else.
 o. Yes. You knew nothing about the facts of the situation?
 A. Nothing.
 @. And you were listening to MT. Alcorn's deductions of his opinion, weren't you?
 A. couldn't express anything but opinion. o. Yes, and you had no factual basis for forming an opinion. Had you?
 A. No.
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