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copies at Washington or Buffalo II
they wanted them. but not without
authority of Mr.. Beach," the witness
testified.
Chairman Black repeatedly asked
O'Brien if he had MT agreed TO get
bona fide signatures for the copies.
realizing it was imroSsible to meet
Representative DrisCons S request as to
which messages had written or type
written signatures fion relay copies.
II said it was puss lie to geL bona
fide signatures" he finally conceded.
but We would have to get authority
from Beach. did not agree to get
them. had. no ;ntsiest in restoring
records
He then told how re had discussed
the evidence before TIE committee
with Hill and HeI1oh, However, he
couldn't remember i Hill said the
suggestion regarding restoring The de-
Stroyed messages was q bad fnlng.
OBrien told briefly Of New
York meeting where, he said, regional
managers met Beach for instructions
on the campaign against the public
autility bill.
What was the plan worked out?"
Black asked. The Senator questioned
O'Brien more sharply than on his
appearance yesterday.
THE plan was," O'Brien said. ito
have employees assist in sending let
ters and a few wires"
At that time, he said, there was
no mention Of the company paying
for the kilograms against the bill.
This authorization came later, he
added
He repeated yesterdays testimony
that he had spent about $4,000 in the
Erie district, and at Blacks request
promised to supply vouchers for the
expenditures.
Kept Records at Home.
O'Brien commented that he kept
the records of these disbursements
at home, not at the of1ce. It immedi-
ately brought on him a flood of ques-
tions as to what other business he
kept at home.
He said he also kept at home copies
Of Of, most of the kilograms sent from
Questioned by Black again regard
ing train conference from Philadel-
phia to Washington at which he said
committee evidence was discussed,
O'Brien testified that besides Hill and
Heron, a Mr.. Partridge of the A. e
G. New York Office and Munsen and
Smith were present.
Did you discuss the difference be-
tween clearing out and destroying
records?" Black asked.
Not to my knowledge"
He finally agreed Hill had advised
him to testify he instructed the Penn
sylvania district Offices of the COM
pany to clear out" their files relating
to the utility bill drive.
O'Brien testified yesterday he or
dered Heron and other district off,
cials to clear out" their records.
1t was later developed that Smith
Joined the party in Washington, but
O'Brien said he was unable to explain
who he was.
Il would like to know myself"
O'Brien added. He said Smith came
to the Wardman Park Hotel apartment
which the group shares. He arrived
soon after the party, including Hill,
Heron and the others. reached the
hotel Wednesday night and left shortly
afterward.
Heron Denies Presence.
Here Heron was called to the stand
and denied he was present when Hill
read the evidence. He said he glanced
at few pages of the testimony and
then went to bed. He also denied dis
cussing the evidence yesterday morn
ing before breakfast.
After telling of the midnight con-
ference, Hill said he discussed briefly
at breakfast the next morning the
question Of restoring" the records at
the Warren office.
He said he "just happened" to open
the record of the first days lobby
hearing at the point where Shew toln
OF discussing the restoration with
C'Brien.
You just happened to open the
book at that roint?" Black asked
with mock amazement.
THAT testimony wasn't important" :"
Hill said, from my point of view. Ny
instructions were to find cut for the
company just what had gone on"
HReanh told xro,1 ta had airootaa