Evening star., 1935-08-07
Hurley and Chairman Black in Many
Clashes

BY the Associated Press.
The Senate Lobby Committee:
hearing today opened with a warn
clash between Patrick J. Hurley anc
Chairman Black.
Hurley protested vigorously to be-
ing singled out as Republican ~
the committee, but Black cut him short
with the announcement that he would
be followed on the stand by Joseph P
Tumulty, former secretary to President
Wilson.
Hurley was appearing voluntarily
He began by reading from his testi-
mony before the Senate Banking Com
mittee two years ago as counsel fol
the Associated company.
He emphasized he was present at
j that time as a representative of the
: investors in the company.
Hopson Held in Complete Control.
Black said H. c. Hopson. missing
witness sought by both the Senate
: Lobby Committee and the House Rules
Committee. was in complete control OF
the company.
House investigators went to Hurleys
Virginia estate yesterday to look for
Hopson, but he was not found. At
that time Hurley called the procedure
o "disgraceful outrage"
"I have never been employed by
Mr.. Hopson personally or for any of
his private interests" Hurley testified
today.
Black asked what Hurley's fee was
in the case.
you might ask Mr., Conboy MAR
tin Conboy, then attorney for Albert
H. Wiggin) what his fee was in the
case" Hurley answered.
DO you object to answering the
question:" Black asked.
Objects to Being Singled Out"
mo" Hurley shouted, rising to his
feet, but I object to being called
as just one"
DO you object to answering the
question:" Black interjected.
why do you single out Repub-
Ecan and don't ask any other
Hurley DeSdn.
1t was then that Black stopped
Hurley to say Tumulty would be the
next witness. He was to be questioned
about a reported fee from one of the
utilities.
The Associated Gas & Electric Co.
has spent approximately 100000 op-
posing the utility bill.
Both the tall Hurley and the slim
Black shouted at each other. The
committee chairman finally told the
witness to sit down again, and he did
Il don't know" Hurley flared, why
you should select a Republican tc
single out" but again Black
stormed him down, shouting:
Just a moment, just moment
Mr.. Hurley, just moment"
Hurley Calls Self Gold Fish.
eff you object to answering the
Questions Black started, but
Hurley in turn cut him short.
st am a gold fish in bowl" the
witness shouted. You can see me
from any angle"
Il think you can answer the queS-
tions," Black insisted.
Hurley then said the fee to his firm
for his appearance at the banking
investigation was $4,000, but he EN-.
phasized that was entirely separate
from the current inquiry.
Hurley reiterated he was appearing
for the protection of the investors
in the company, and not for Hopson
In 10 seconds more he was involved
in an equally tempestuous exchange
with Senator Schwellenbach, Demo-
crat of Washington.
did YOU tel the committee that
Hopson was drawing $560,000 from
Associated, that he was milking from
the subsidiaries?" Schwellenbact
asked.
IT wasn't asked"
"You didn't volunteer the informa.
tion?"
IT am trying to volunteer informa.
ton here, but I am not allowed to de
1t. I did not represent Hopson or any
private company"
Won't Say fes or NO.
''You didn't show that Hopson got
$3.50, 900 by milking these companies?'
II did not know it then and
don't know IL now"
Again Schwellenbach repeated his
question and Hurley repeated his
answer.
You say you did not tell thai
eommittee?"
II did not say that and you can
not put words into my mouth
That question can be answered
yes or no." Schwellenbach snapped
Again Hurley shot back:
st did not know"
"The answer then is no" Schwel-
lenbach supplied.
No, 1t is not, and that Is not q
fair question"
Smiling slightly for the first time
Hurley asked: