Evening star., 1935-01-31

top shelf. and every time you bought
soap and you got coupons from the
soap, you would save them, wouldn't
you? A. I save them, yes.
"Once every three months, four
months" she admitted, she took the
box down.
@. Once every three or four months.
And from November or December.
1888, until September, 1884, sup
pose that you took that box down at
least two or three times, didn't you?
A. Maybe I did.
@. Now, when you went to take
that box down, that tin box down,
you had TO reach into that closet,
didn't you? A. Yes.
@. And into that top shelf? A.
Yes.
@. You didn't see any shoe box
there, did you? A. Well. that
@. Please answer the question,
madame. A No. didn't.
Threw OLD Rags on Shelf.
She said also that she once threw
some "old rags" up on the top shelf
and that there were some curtain
rods there
@. 1t was a pretty busy closet. q
pretty busy shelf, wasn't it? A. This
was put up there and was there.
On redirect examination she told
Reilly she was nursing her baby son,
Manfred, at the time Fisch went TO
Germany to die, allegedy leaving the
shoe box with Hauptmann.
tinued some months afterward 10
nurse the baby. is that correct? A.
Some time.
@. And you told the attorney gen.
eral that you had been told not TO
do any stretching up or out. Is that
correct? A. Yes, doctor told me so.
Carlstrom, a full-faced blond rs
years old, with a marked accent, said
he came to the United States nearly
six years ago and worked as a car
penter's helper.
March / Birthday.
He remembered the date-March 1
he said. because IL was his birth
day.
On that night in 1892, he testified,
the Bronx about $50 pm.
@. by Reilly And how many
times before that had you eaten in
Fredericksen's bakery? A. was eating
there every night and every morning
for about two and a halt months.
O. Now. die you see any one in the
bakery when you entered the bakery
that you recognized. in the court
room? A. Yah.
c. Who? A see Mrs. Hauptmann.
She was a waitress.
c. Well, on this particular night.
March the lst, did Mrs. Hauptmann
wait on you? A. Yes.
@. And how long we're you in there?
A. was in there. would say. 90
minutes.
@. Now, while you we're in there
did you see anybody elseF A. Yes,
l did.
Indicates Hauptmann.
@. That you see in the court room?
A. Yes. l did.
Q. Who? A. saw that fellow
sitting right down there.
@. Indicating whom? A. He is
sitting right down there.
@. The defendant? (Hauptmann
stood up) A. That's right.
@. And where was he, In the
bakery? A. He was sitting at the
front table. all the way in the front
there, when saw him.
@. Did you know he was Mrs.
Hauptmann's husband? A. No, did
not.
@. And what was he doing at the
table? A The way it looked to me
he was reading newspaper or some
thing.
@. You are sure he was in there?
A. am sure.
@. And you are sure IT was March
the 1st, 1882? A. Yes, am sure.
Told Long Island Family.
Carlstrom related he told a Long
Island family in November Of 1884
that he believed the man in the
bakery was the kidnap suspect. This,
he testified was before he ever saw
Hauptmann's picture in the news
papers.
At Cedarhurst, N. Y, Mrs. Margaret
Strauss, rooming house proprietor,
recalled the occasion last Fall when
Carlstrom identified q newspaper
photograph of Hauptmann and told
Of seeing him in the bakery.
He boarded with me about fve
months last Summer" Mrs. Strauss
said. He was the perfect boarder-
never smoked, drank or stayed out
late. He hardly ever talked-you'd
have to ask him a question four or
five times to get an answer"
1t was last September, she said.
that Carlstrom pointed out Haupt-
mannS picture in a newspaper.
Il know that fellow" she quoted
him as saying, and adding that he
saw him in bakery where he went
for birthday treat"
Mrs. Strauss said she asked him
about getting in touch with the law
yers and Carlstrom replied he didn't
want to get mixed up in it,"
Mrs. Hauptmann Knows Girl.
Mrs. Hauptmann disclosed that the
girl, Esther" whom Carlstrom said
he went to see in the Bronx on the
kidnap night, was an acquaintance of
hers.
Il know that girl" Mrs. Hauptmann
said. "She is an awfully nice, sweet
girl" She did not know her last
name.
The New York Daily News, in a
copyrighted story, identified the
mysterious Esther" as Miss Esther
Ellison, 10, pretty blond manicurist,
and quoted her as denying Indignantly
that Carlstrom visited on the evening
in question.
"If he says he came to see me
that night he is a liar" she was
quoted by the News.