The producers news. [volume] (Plentywood, Mont.) 1918-1937, 1935-10-11

AOT TAR Jay pay mat Is uOt
a fair days work.
@. There can be no such thing
as industrial peace?
A. There cannot be as long as
there are classes. The best evil
dence of that today is all the
strikes going on all over the
world. How can there be indus
trial peace when the employer
wants to work about eight ap-
prentices to one mOlder, and the
mOlder wants to work about one
apprentice to eight mOlders?
There is where the trouble comes
in. How can there be industrial
peace? Now, the president of
the United States today wants
to organize all workers along
industrial lines. That is the
whole program of tie NRA and
all of these labor movements
that are being introduced into
the crafts. They have given a
very refined name for it; they
do not call it an industrial I'M
ion; they call it vertical I'M
ion. They don't sound quite so
bad. But it is the same thing.
1t means an organizing of men
by industries rather than by
crafts.
o. In addition to wishing to
organize the vertical union, was
MT it your purpose to mold the
holders Union into a militant
revolutionary organization?
A. My purpose was to make
the MOlders' Union, as all I'M
ions should be-they should be
militant; they should be fighting
all the time for their rights.
@. They should be revolution
airy?
A. If you want me to go
into that subject, l cam go into
it thoroughly. l believe in So
cial revolution. 1 am a sOcla
revOlutiOnist.
@. What do you mean by "a
social revOlutiOnist?"
A. l mean to sOcialiZe all o
the wealth of the world for tn
benefit of the people in it.
/ @. Well, at that time-tha
is-the years 1910 to 1916-dl'
YOU have any particular idea a
to the way that social revOlutiO
should be brought about?
A. have a general idea.
@. By force and violence?
A. No, not necessarily.
O. How was that dictatOrshl
to be obtained?
A. The working class jul:
simply is so powerful when the
n become conscious of it, and the
S organize themselves into a mas
n ed working class Organizatio
o they control everything. III
VI world does not move without l
n Dor. You had very good der
n OnstratiOn of that last year
1t San Francisco for couple
.e days. When labor stops, ever
lie thing stops.
- @. Were you ever a memh
D. of the I.W.W.?
< A. l was a member of t
IL I.W.W. for three months.
C. @. Why did you resign FRI
at the I.W.W.
- A. / Just let my membersl
al 90 nv default. paid thu
al months dues more as prot
~, ~ than anything else against
IL brutal treatment that was be
re inflicted upon the members
~ the I.W.W. in Spokane, Wa
20 ingtOn, at the time.
90 90 Q. Why did you quit
no I.W.W.?
me A. Just let it 60 by defa
20 That is the only explanation
~ VI. can offer.
.e, @. After you quit the INV
.ay did you continue to give it
go and render it services?
A. have always been in
~ or of the principles of the Nv
no industrial nniOnism. The pr
III dent of the United States fa'
';a1 the same thing.
. L @. You were on friendly tie
icy with the national leaders,
of you not?
~, " A. ] was.
Jul @. With Big Bill Haywood
-, A. Yes.
lid @. And with Vincent st. JO
OF A. Yes.
air @. And also with c. L. I
bert, the secretary in Sacral
at to?
air A. Yes.
y, Mr.. Walsh: For the puT
md of this record, l want to o
RS to this as having nothing v
for ever to do with the issues
d. the commissioner is called
ght to determine.
ent The Referee: think it
OF have. The objection is
ruled. Have you reached a
ate in YOUR crOss-examinatiOn
ass is suitable?
hat Mr.. CIeary: Yes. We
to jOurn until tomorrow, if I'll
Oric agreeable.
own The Referee: It is my u
to standing that when four o
i'm comes, we will adjourn.
iety Mr.. Walsh: 1t is agre
SEES; to us, yes.
Drk- The Referee: We will
: to adjourned until ten O'clOc
sses morrow morning, and the s
be will take the petitioner in c
and return him here at
con- time.
s.