The Waterbury Democrat., 1934-10-09
BY JOSEPH H. BAIRD Tynites1 Press Staff COrresnOnil<


 Moscow, Oct 9--(U.P.)-Joseph Stalin, secretary general of the communist party and ruler of Rus sia, does not believe President Roosevelt's new deal methods can result in planned economy or per- manent relief of unemployment, he told H. G.. Wells. British novelist. A transcript of their talk was ob- tained to-day.
 Stalin expressed admiration for the presidents initiative and cour- age, but he said he believed the ] presidents aims could be realized only by the overthrow of capital ism.
 He said further that he was con- vinced President Roosevelt would fail of reelection if he tried actu-
 ally to satisfy the interests of the
 working class.
 Stalin and Wells talked for three hours in the Kremlin, examining from different points of view the world economic crisis and the poli- tical results to be expected from it. g&
 Wells, in general. defended the
 thesis that society could be re- modelled in the interest of the
 masses by socially-minded capital ists and the technical intelligent
 sia. Stalin argued this goal could be reached only through proletar-
 ian revolution.
 l. Capitalists will not agree to any social program that would completely eliminate unemploy-
 ment because the supply of cheap labor would be eliminated. ?. Society is fundamentally di- vided into exploiters and exploited. and any effort to reconcile their interests would be impossible. 3. Communists do not idealize violence but find it necessary to meet force from the ruling class es. Said Stalin here: .Fascism is
 a reactionary force which tries to preserve the old order by means of violence"
 At the outset Wells told Stalin he had just returned from visit to President Roosevelt. He said he
 believed there were some similar ities between the economic pro- gram in the United States and that in Soviet Russia.
 Stalin at once rejected that idea.
 saying:
 "The United States had different aims from the Soviet Union. The aims of Americans arose from
 economic difficulties during a cri- sis. Americans want to do away with the crisis on the basis of pri- vate capital;stic activity, not changing thejr economic basis. They try to minimize the destruc- tion and sses caused by the pres ent economic system.
 Among us. in place of the des- troyed old economic system. there
 was created an entirely new and
 different economic foundation. :. "Subjectively Americans may think they are reconstructing so- ,ciety. But objectively the present
 basis of society is being preserved. There Will be no planned econ
 omy. What is planned ecoromy? What are some of it's features? Planned economy tries to elimin- ate unemployment. Let us say it is possible, while preserving the cap italistic regime, to cut down em- ployment to certain minimum. But. not one capitalist will ever
 agree to the complete elimination of the reserve army of unemploy- ment, the purpose of which is to press on the labor market and
 
 never persuade the capitalist to cause himself losses :. for the
 sake of satisfying the peoples needs"
 Wells said President Roosevelt's slogans were having colossal ef-
 feet and that to his mind they were socialistlc.
 When 1 speak of the impossi- bllity of realizing the principle of planned economy on the economic basls of capitalism" responded Stalin. "I do not want to bcIiffie the qualities of President Roose- veit--his initiative. courage and decislveness. Undoubtedly of all the leaders of the present capitaI- lstic world. Mir Roosevelt Is the
 most powerful figure.
 "Hut ae soon aD President Roosevelt or any other leader Of the nroBenf bouFgeals world under