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!! II told them assumed they'd GOT
ten their Jobs from the administrators
I told them I had. Personally, I safe
looked ut 1t as Job insurance; no
from the standpoint that they woul
be fired II they didn't subscribe, 0
that 1t was necessary for them to sigl
to hold their jobs, but from the stand
point that it We got out q good news
paper and got the administration Il
! office for two or three or four term
II felt we would have Job. I WASH
egotistical enough to think that II tn
administration went out I'd have [
Job"
Lanier objected to Chaput,s testi
mony as "a speech beyond the wild
est stretch Of imagination" but Jude
Miller explained he wanted to Civ
! the defendant an opportunity to ex
plain his position.
Categorical denials Of the govern
ment's charges were made at Thurs
days court session. by Harold McDon
aid and r. A. Kinzer. two Of the de-
PENDANTS. J. A. Kinzer, son Of r. A
Kinzer. also was placed on the stans
as a defense witness.
Ktnxer Denies All
The elder Kinzer was emphatic II
his denials Of knowledge regarding
organization Of THE Leader" and as
serted he knew nothing Of solicita.
lions to be made Of employees until
Mcdonald appeared in his office early
in May. 1888.
Mcdonald. the other defendant te
take the stand. was equally emphatic
in his denial of any intent to defraud
the government In any manner, and
asserted he had no intention Of So
liciting federal employees. but thought
them to be state employees.
Kinzer was the second defendant
to take the stand.
Kinzer denied ever discussing or
ganization Of a newspaper with Lam
ger or Vogel, state highway commits
sioner and one Of the defendants
Kinzer testified he never knew Of any
solicitations being made for 1.-THE
Leader" administration newspaper
until May IL, 1893. when Harold NC
Donald entered his office. Mcdonald
is a defendant In the case. and acted
as solicitor.
Prior to May II, he said, he never
talked to any person about establish
ment Of the newspaper.
Kinzer followed Mcdonald on the
stand at this afternoons session Of
court.
Mcdonald Cross
Mcdonald resumed the stand as the
session began and was subjected to
further croSs-examination by District
Attorney p. w. Lanier.
"You say the statement that you
told employees the governor okayed
the change from quarterly to monthly
payments Is not true?" Lanier asked
Mcdonald. you say you did not
make such a statement?"
mo sir, I don't believe I did," re-
piled Mcdonald.
If you hadn't seen the governor
you wouldn't have made such state
ment?"
Defense attorneys objected and
were upheld.
when you solicited Forde did he
ask you what you knew about The
Leader?'"
"FIe asked me quite a few questions
he asked me who was going to be
the editor"
did he ask you who was going to
be the business manager?"
II don't recall If he did"
"You knew who was the business
manager2"
"YeS."
"You knew who was going to be the
editor2"
mo. I did not"
Mcdonald admitted he had solicited
w. J. Pfenning.
"You heard his testimony-that you
made the statement you had seen the
governor and everything was all
10. K.?"
Defense attorneys objected on the
grounds that the statement attributed
to Pfenning was not part Of the rec
ord. The record was read and Lanter
withdrew his question.
when you came back the second
time, did you In the presence Of Kin
ger and Pfenning, hear Pfenning
make the statement that II 1t was O.
K. with the governor It was O. <
with him?"
mo, sir. I did not"
March 9, 1888, Kinzer testified. he
was employed by the relief committee
as executive secretary, under the
committees direction" as successor
to r. H. Brant, and with his recon-
mendation and that Of others. HI
served until relieved as before ex.
planned" August 81, 1888.
Did Not Conspire
During all that time did you ever
see Vogel or Governor LANCER around
there?" asked defense attorney George
Thorp.
mo sir"
or any Of the other defendants
besides your son and Mcdonald wheu
he came there to solicit7"
mo SIR"
up to May II, 1888, had you talked
to LANCER or vogel or any Of the
other defendants about organization
OF newspaper"
mo, sir"
or have any communication on
that subject with reference to the
solicitation Of funds?"
mo, sir"
AT any time or placer"
mo, sir"
Tell the jury II 1t had been men,
toned by any OF the defendants"
mo sir, 1t had not. I knew nothing
OF it except + few newspaper COM
mentS I had read-in the daily news.
papers"
Then the first contact you had
with the newspaper personally va.
when Mcdonald came to solicit?"
Eyes, SIR"
Kinzer described McDonald's en-.
trance, he waited for few moments
until got time to talk: he said hi
represented q newspaper called The