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The Washington times., 1934-02-24

Anyhow, I encountered tn
third today and, instead of say
ing that he was completely un-
nerved and baffled by the Car
nera-Loughran situation, as I
seemed to read in one version,
or that he looked for a very stir
ring engagement. as I saw by
another, he said that Camera
practically couldn't miss.
Mister Tunney, who had him
self withdrawn from circulation
while still heavyweight champion
and is now leading a life of ease
and refinement, was one of the
witnesses at Loughran's quarter
final workout for the title fight
here on Wednesday. He said
everything was just splendid; in
fact, everything was superb, no
end.
Oh, yes; Loughran looked quite
good. Sterling fellow, Loughran.
Oh, yes, he had a chance.
Two Things Against 1t
Loughran, it seemed, might win
the encounter, although there
were two things against it. The
other, said he, was a man named
Camera.
Hes quite a fighter" Mis-
ter Tunney added, thOughtfully.
Moreover, he did better than
merely name Camera as the log
ical choice to win; he even told
The Washington times., 1934-02-24
BARNES EVENT
DRAWS D. c.
PIN STARS

Ray Barnes, whose machine
like right arm has thrown many
strikes down local alleys, has the
promise of Astor H. Clarke, Ollie
Pacini, Ed Blakeney, Sim Simon
and Red Megaw to roll in the
third annual Ray Barnes Classic,
next Saturday at OVerlea Alleys,
Baltimore.
Besides a galaxy of Baltimore
and Washington duckpin aces,
Ray expects Nick Tronsky and
Jack White, the great Connecticut
stars, to add color.
Arnold Was Winner
Bill Arnold won the first two
events, beating out Aston Clarke
by one pin last year.
The entry fee is $40, which
covers the cost Of games. Ten
games will be rolled, five at 2:30
p. m. and five at 730 p. m.
Jack Gray, Minte Paint star,
has the new game record for the
Building Contractors League,
banging out 1T game as we'll as
a hobby 1913 set.
ITO to Compete
One hundred and ten bowlers
from the General Accounting OF.
flee are participating today in q
classified elimination tournament
at Convention. Two three-game
blocks are being rolled, those
qualifying in the opening block
being eligible to take part in the
Wlnd-up next Saturday.
Silver Spring Skating Rink is
still too powerful for most of the
other aggregations in the National
Capital League, losing only one
game to the strong Book of Wash
lngton outfit.
Ray Huffman, Star Service,
banged out 154 game. Howard
Parsons came through with . 397
set.
The Washington times., 1934-02-24
Rim c TOURNEY.
LED BY VA.

UNIVERSITY, Va, Feb. "a.
Maryland boasts of three sur
vivors today in the Southern
Conference boxing tournament,
following m a tches yesterday
which opened the program.
They were Stewart McCaw.
who defeated William Medlin, of
Clemson, and Lyman McAboy
and AL Farrell, who drew byes.
The University of Virginia
team appears to be nearest the
championship by virtue of hay
ing advanced six men to the
semifinals. South Carolina, Wash
ington and Lee, V. M. l., and
V. P. l., are others besides Mary
land boasting survivors for the
Semifinals this afternoon. The
finals will be held tonight.
In Maryland's other bout
yesterday, Walter Webb lost to
Capt. Eddie Balm, of v. M. L.,
by decision. This was in the
135-pound class.
The Washington times., 1934-02-24


1t is the moment when slight
happening will turn the tide Of
events.
A terrific volley. Finally George
Nelson, of Washington, executes a
kill in the right corner of the
court, off the right wall
The champion, Sam Atcheson,
of Memphis, Tenn, realizes that
this kill is disastrous. Indeed, it
is more than disastrous: it is
fatal. But the champion, true to
his type, shows no sign, gives no
quarter.
Then George Nelson, the chal-
lenger, shows his quality, shows
the stuff of which new champions
are made.
Serves Like Champ
Nelson's hand is in. He is Serv-
ing. He serves, and it is a serve
of which only a champion is
capable. It is a serve which is
called a cleft hop serve" Atche-
son misses it. Nelson is the vic
tor in the most sensational hand
ball game ever played in Wash
ington.
That miss by Atcheson, that
serve by Nelson, probably spelled
the difference between cham
pion and a challenger, for as it
The Washington times., 1934-02-24

is now, Nelson is an overwhelming
favorite to capture the national
Y. M. C. A. title. He has only
John Endsvick, of Cleveland, to
beat in the final match tonight.
And John is not considered a true
match for the sensational Wash
ingtonian. If a miracle takes
place, John will be the new ma
tional "Y' champ.
Memorable Match
That Atcheson-N Nelson match
will not soon be forgotten. Nell
son went to 16 to II in the Sec
ond set. Then Atcheson went to
10 to IT. Then Atcheson went to
20 to 10. It was here that Nelson
executed his double coup to take
set and match.
Perhaps it is that tonight, in
the final, Endsvick will come
through, but you can't tell the gal
lery gods that-and the gallery
gods. in handball. never miss.
All indications point to a ma
tional "Y" handball champion for
Washington in 1884, and his name
is George Nelson. The final Of
the singles was being played at
2::30 this afternoon and the
doubles final at 4:30 o'clock.
The Washington times., 1934-02-24
WILDCATS LIST.
WOMEN STARS

Conquering Don Donald'S ALL
Stars last night, 1557-1534, DO"
Bregman'S Wildcat bowling crew
will place its undefeated record
in extreme jeopardy next Friday
night at Columbia Alleys, when an
all-star combination from the
Washington Ladies League will be
met in a three-game block.
The women, to be recruited by
Bronson chronology Qualities, Bee.
quee star, will include the United
States No. l woman bowler in
Miss Lorraine GULL, Evelyn Ream,
Evelyn Ellis, Rena Levy and sew
eral others.
The Washington times., 1934-02-24
NEAR-S7AR SWEEPSTAKES HEAD DUCKPIN CA
SITE
Of IO.GAME
EVENT
BY DANNY GILL

Much in the way of duckpins
Is offered for the bowling public
today.
Heading the list are the Ollie
Pacini Near-Star Sweepstakes,
three match game elimination
trials, and a team match at
Takoma, with the Takoma five
yesuming its Baltimore match.
The Near-Star event is eX-
pected to draw a big field mas
much as it answers a real need
in duckpinS-a sweepstakes for
bowlers too good to roll in dub"
stakes but not quite up to scratch
against the Clarkes. Pacinis, Har-
risons, Blakeneys, Litchfields, So
mons, Mandleys, etc.
At Temple
The Near-Stars will roll at
Northeast Temple. Only bowlers
with an average Of lit or less
are eligible.
At Bethesda, j. Henry Hlser
will conclude his match game
"1GI1 1Ilu1 oGOA1 uAA' o. AASAAA
got off to a lead in the opening
block at Clarendon a few days
ago, and expects to go even better
on his home alleys.
j.: Another match game finds AL
Woods. King Pin star, opposing
Bill Clampitt, Petworth ace, on
the latter's alleys in the after
noon, viii the scene shifting to
King Pin tonight.
Talbert Rolls Smelling
In another match game elimi
nation, Jack Talbert George
town. ace will meet Mac Smell.
ing (Takoma starr at George
town at 4 p. m. The second five
games will be rolled tonight at {
O'Clock at Takoma.
Mac Smelling will then insert
Talbert in his Takoma teams
lineup. Besides Talbert and
Smelling. the Takomans will use
Eddie Espey, Joe Freschi, Frank
Hollis, and possibly Bill KrausS
In an effort to inflict the first
defeat on the Baltimore team
Of Baker, F'uxman, Dryden, Mil
Ter and Rappelt.
The Washington times., 1934-02-24
Clarke and Gull
Team in Doubles

ATLANTA, Ga, Feb. 24-Astor
Clarke is rolling with Lorraine
GULL today in the Southern
Mixed Doubles with the full ex-
pectation of showing Atlantans he
was off form yesterday when he
bowed to George w. Mckay, high
average local duckpinner and
Southern Sweepstakes champion.
in four-cornered five-game
match.
Carl Tidweu was also ahead Of
Clarke while George French was
tied with the Washington ace.
Both TidWell and French are local
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how and why and practically when
it would happen. When? This
came up largely by implication but
the point seemed fairly clear, at
that, that Mister Tunney would
not be astounded if Loughran
didn't last to the tenth. How and
why? Simple. Camera has the
size, the strength, the stamina,
the speed and the reach. Lough-
ran has the brains.
But you don't hit a man with
your brains.
The Washington times., 1934-02-24
Sports Today
INDOOR TRACK MEET

INDOOR TRACK MEET
At Catholic University - First
event at 8 p. m.
BASKETBALL
At Tech High-Pitt VS.. George
town, 8:45 p. M; Georgetown
Prep VS.. Georgetown Freshmen,
7:15 p. m.
At George Washington Univer-
Sity-Washington and Lee VS..
George Washington. 8 p. m.
SWIMMING
At Ambassador Hotel Duke
University VS.. George Washington,
1880 p. m.
BOWLING
At Temple Alleys - Near-star
tournament. First block at 8
p. M; second block, 8 p. m.
The Washington times., 1934-02-24
Washington B. C..
Wins Over Allies

Washington Boys Club boxers
today hold a 81 victory over a
combined team of Merrick and
Georgetown Boys Club ringmen.
There were no knockouts.
80 poundS-Hymie Schulman CB. CO
declsiOned Dick TOrreysOfl (GD.
90 pOunrS-AnGeIO Pappas CB. c. de-
CisiOned Preston Drew NIerriCk); Debbs
D'AnEelo (B. c. deCisiOned Adrian
DaUIs g.
11S pOundS-BiIIy Kemp NIerrick)
decisiOned Tom D'AnEelO (B. c..
The Washington times., 1934-02-24
GLOSSbrenner Stars
In Odd FeLLOUS Loop

Glossbrenner's individual efforts
provided the feature of the Odd
Fellows Bowling League. He
turned in Ill, 1872 and 1879 for
385, materially aiding Columbia to
score a Shutout.
Ketterings 374 increased his in
dtvidual average leadership.
The Washington times., 1934-02-24
18TH FOR MARQUETTE

MILWAUKEE,, Feb. 24.-Mar-
quette UniverSity'S victory string
stood at IL today after a decisive
40-to-16 win over the Michigan
State basketball team here last
night,
The Washington times., 1934-02-24
Catholic Ladies'
Duckpin League

w. L. w. L.
wheeler Az. "a 14IL. A. A. o. H.. % IL
Wheeler CO.. 26 19iSt Peters,. 90 %
st. Francis. Is 22IWheeler B.. 10 %
RECORDS
High team game-Wheeler Club A,
400 High team set-Wheeler A, 1.342
High average-P. Donnelly 81. High
flat Eame-C. Donnelly, 90. Spares
p. Donnelly. ~. High game-Anna
Wolf 122. High set-M. Mack, 800.
Strikes-D. Thornett, T. Brand. Mary
Auth and N. Crown, six each.
The Washington times., 1934-02-24

High team Eame-Mt. Pleasant, 617.
High team set-Mt. Pleasant, 1873.
High individual game-Lund, 1857. High
individual set-Gardiner, 391. High in
dividual average Referring, 1925.
Greatest strikes-A. r. Donaldson, 80.
Greatest spares-Kettering. l32.
The Washington times., 1934-02-24
HAWKS BY NOSE

The Hawks won a close game
from the Savoy sharpshooterS
last night, 80 to 81 Schultze
registered IA points for the win
ners.
The Washington times., 1934-02-24
TunneyS Sees Loughran Drill,
Predicts Camera Victory
Rv DAVIS J, WALSH

MIAMI, Fla, Feb. 24-After reading few outbursts on
the subject during the last "a hours I'm beginning believe
that there must be at least three Gene Tunneys in town and
that haven't found the other two yet
The Washington times., 1934-02-24
Handball Ace Gains Final,
Favored to Take Title
By HARRY COSTELLO

Challenger champion in the national Y. M G. A. hand
ball championships.
The champion is ahead, in the second set.
The Atcheson, 20; Nelson 49, The challenger had
the first set, 21-13.
It is important moment-the PSYCHOLOGICAL moment,
The Washington times., 1934-02-24
Holy Name "A"
Duckpirl League

STANDINGS
w IL W L
Nativity .... 3S Is, Holy Name. % 20
a. Jerome's. "a 2SISt. Peters,. % 80
ToI, Rosary SO sol st. Gabrieps 30 30
Holy Trinity 20 asst. Anthony's % 50
our L. of ", 80 81 Holy Comfo'r. % 81
RECORDS
High game-Nativity $50: St Ga
briefs. 644 High set-Holy Name, 1900;
st. GabrieIs, 1898. High individual
AVERAGE. FresOhl. 1876, PricCi,
1861: schroth. III. High individual
games-Rabholtz 1853; Sheehy, ISL.
High individual setS-Mischou, 424:
Hilliard. 4c2. High strikes-Overcued.
IS, Robson, IS. High spares-Prioci.
1856: L~f~ ITS.
The Washington times., 1934-02-24
Holy Name Society
Duckpin Leagues
SECTION B

SECTION B
w. L. W l.
Holy Name II 22s Anthony's 81 81
st. Ann's,.., 80 - Our Lady Of l.. 81 5s
Holy Rosary. So IS Holy Trinity. IS 20
st. Peters. 81 26 st. Joseph'S.. % "a
st. Fran. Nav. 81 29'lmmac. Conc. Is -
RECORDS
High team Eames-St. Peters. 633;
Holy Name, 621. High team set
Holy Name, 1,762; st. Peters, 1,746.
High Individual averaEes-Pacinl,
1864; f. Edinger, 114-19; ONeil.
I'LL. High Individual Eames-Meyer.
1852; Hardie. 1856. High individual sets
e. Edinger. 400; O'NeH sos Olive.
394. High strikes-Olive est. Peters).
rs High spares-Pacini (St. Peter's).
1877.
SECTION d
St. eabrier.. : : Nativity ..... q .
st. Matthew's 40 22lHoly Trinity. 81 20
st. Joseph's. 3S % Holy Redeemer rs 81
st. Peters,. 3S 27 st. Anthony's - Il
st. Jerome's. 35 2siAssumption :. 33
RECORDS
High individual Games-T. Hughes
and p. Furman. 1874, Webb Downing,
$50. High individual sets-A Bet1
37S, P Furman, 1863. High individual
averags-Feeney, 1929; TIGER. 1911.
High average strikes-A. Betz. AT.
High average Spares--Feeney, 2.33s.
Montgomery County sentinel. [volume] (Rockville, Md.) 1855-1974, 1934-07-19

ably inclined toward the proposition l
shall have to make them at that meet
ing. And when the editorial has been
written and set up, pull proof and
send it over to Babson. 1t may give
him food for reflection"
Within two hours Brainerd sent his
devil over to the bank with the proof
and a note from Brainerd to the effect
that he was running the editorial In
his next issue and inviting comment.
After reading the editorial Babson
passed it to Henry Rocky for the
latter's reaction.
HE asks for my comment. Henry.
Well, I'll oblige him." And Babson
wrote in red crayon across the proof:
"When Forlorn Valley has its own
reservoir filed, you and Tichenor have
my permission to Jump into it and
drown yourselves, and greatly oblige,
yours, ETC., S. Babson."
"Shoot 'em in the foot" Mr.. Rookby
urged wittily.
When the banks messenger took the
proof and Babson's message back to
Joe Brainerd, that astute individual
sighed and, after the fashion of news
paper men, who always save the writ
ten expressions of opinion of their
enemies, locked it up in his safel
Montgomery County sentinel. [volume] (Rockville, Md.) 1855-1974, 1934-07-19

]. Pierpont Morgan of Broad and
Wall streets ordered his big yacht.
Corsair, to his front door on East
island, and will cross for short vaca.
ton in England.
Once such trip might have aroused
envy, but no more. The travelling
salesman, the LADY buyer" for a de-
partment store, almost anybody, may
cross on a bigger, faster, finer boat
than the Corsair at very reasonable
price.
Montgomery County sentinel. [volume] (Rockville, Md.) 1855-1974, 1934-07-19
THE STORY

CHAPTER I-Robin Kershaw. de-
with Fremont to California. made half
= million in the gold fields and sought
With his bride. who had walked be-
kide covered wagon in the - trek.
kershaw rode into northeastern Cali
Cor ranching and cattle raising. His
bride christened II Eden Valley. Be.
low Eden Valley. which they intend
plan to build their home. Il q less
valuable tract which Kershaw's wife
christens Forlorn Valley.
CHAPTER 1.-The Kershaws pros-
per. Robin Kershaw acquires the most
valuable lands In Eden Valley. Trou.
BILE impends when Joel Henslsy, . Tex
lever half Of the valley. There 10 bad
EntSs E Ks,b %sn sht Hn Il out .d IL
the blood-feud 10 on. Henslsy'6 sons
swearing vengeance.
CHAPTER III.-By 1917, Rance Ker-
~ are all that remains of one clan.
Nate Tichenor . the sole survivor on
the Hensley side Owen 10 killed in
after An absence Of nine years. He
her father has died OF heart disease.
The Middle West, unscrupuious and
kragping. controls the Forlorn Valley
settlement Through his bank. He
sSs e build dam AND control
abilities of Eden Valley. He frst aims
70 secure the heavily encumbered lands
Of Rance Kershaw's daughter, Lorry.
Valley lands owned by Nate Tichenor.
The banker proposes to play Nate
against Lorry assuming that they are
getting control Of the key lands nec-
Ossary to the project.
CHAPTER v.-Nate. however. has no
Intention OF carrying on the feud. For
lorn Valley buzzes with the news that
the tive. survivors of the Eden Valley
Nate tss Lo oays tSSt Ss s shs
Owen Kershaw, Lorry's brother, met
In France Just. before owen was killed.
ised that Il he survived owen he would
look after Lorry az brother might
CHAPTER vI.-Lorry informs Nate
that she intends to run the ranch. He
volunteers financial aid. Babson, deter
mined to secure Lorry's lake-site and
on for the %aos' Of ood %aers
to- the Forlorn Valley irrigation dis
trict which he organizes. He figures
that through condemnation proceedings
he can secure the coveted lands. With
money advanced by Nate. Lorry clears
MP her indebtedness to Babson.
CHAPTER VII.-Nate, who plans ex-
tensive improvements on his ranch,
9nds that he Is falling in love with
Lorry. Babson discovers that Nate 10
behind q power project which threat
ems to ruin all the bankers schemes.
CHAPTER VI1I.--Nate assists Lorry
He tells her that he loves her. Lorry
admits she loves Nate. They become
engaged. Together they plan to con-
troll the waters of Forlorn Valley and
thwart Babson's schemes.
Montgomery County sentinel. [volume] (Rockville, Md.) 1855-1974, 1934-07-19

Notwithstanding the fact that 1t
would be very bad business for me to
do that, shall do it. 1t will be case
of loves labor lost, however. The peo-
pie will not believe me; they are fol-
lowing false leader and blindly loyal
to him. Well, here's your check
for legal services to date. Something
tells me l shall be retaining your
services at later date"
Returning home, Nate Tichenor was
met at the railroad depot in Gold Run
by his chauffeur with the car. Pass
ing through Valley Center en- route to
Eden Valley he saw some men skid
ding linotype into vacant store in
the Babson block; above the door
new sign informed the world that
presently the Forlorn Valley Citizen
would here go to press.
Certainly Babson was losing no time
moving into action. Nor was Joe
Brainerd, as Nate discovered when he
paused at the office of the Register,
hoping to CLEAN news of interest that
might have occurred during his four
days absence. He found Brainerd
writing an editorial cordially welcom-
ing his competitor into the field.
"Going to press tomorrow with
two-page issue, Nate" he announced.
"Practlcally all of my local advertising
has been withdrawn"
"Why not run the Cancelled ads just
the same. Joe? II were you would
decline to let Babson see how badly he
has hurt me. He may think his slaves
have not obeyed orders and start a
fight with them in consequence. II
anybody cancels his subscription con-
tinue sending him the paper as usual.
I'll take care of your deficit When
I'm fighting bitter fight it's against
my religion to cry out or admit I'm
hurt"
Brainerd grinned, for this was the
sort Of fight he loved to wage. If he
could afford 1t. I'm running another
front-page editorial on the water ques-
tion, Nate. Forlorn Valley has to have
the water and II 1t cannot get 1t from
the Mountain Valley Power company
1t must tap the creek up in the Han
die. I'm living up to our agreement,
boy, and making the fight for my sub
scribers."
You'd be traitor not to-"
"What did your lawyer say?"
Nate related In detail his conversa-
ton with Gagan. Perhaps" Brainerd
suggested. I'D do well to write new
editorial pointing out to the people
the possibility OF failure of the plan
upon which. led by Babson. they are
about to embark. What do the poor
devils know about 1t? Only what Bah
son tells them"
That's a splendid idea. Joe. The
people will then have an opportunity
TO read your editorial and digest 1t
before attending the mass meeting.
Consequently they will be more favor
Montgomery County sentinel. [volume] (Rockville, Md.) 1855-1974, 1934-07-19
To Aid the Blind

There were several systems Of read
Ing for the blind In existence before
the invention Of Braille. The earliest
authentic records Of tangible letters
for the blind were invented by Fran
cesco Lucas, Spaniard. In 1640
writing master In Paris cast NOV.
able leaden type for their use. Val.
entine Hauy was the first to emboss
paper as a means Of reading for the
blind. At the beginning of the Nine
teenth century % different methods
Of embossed printing were in exist.
ence. Well-known types besides Braille
were the Moon type, invented by Doc
tor Moon of Brighton in 1877; Frere's
and Lucas.
Montgomery County sentinel. [volume] (Rockville, Md.) 1855-1974, 1934-07-19

In Alberta's huge Jasper park, Fred
Brewster, a Rocky mountain guide
watches eagles and ospreys, also
called fish hawks" sitting on tho
high limbs Of tree, eagles at the ton
Ospreys below, and still lower down
plain crows. all watching the lake.
An osprey drops, brings up a ssb
Two eagles pursue, the frightened
osprey drops the fish. The eagles trv
to catch it, usually fail. The crows
flying close to the surface, in a bodv
never fail, always get the falling fish
and enjoy it.
Montgomery County sentinel. [volume] (Rockville, Md.) 1855-1974, 1934-07-19
Flowing Matches Thrill

Revival of blowing matches in many
counties of the Irish Free State this
season has been far beyond expecta-
tons. At some the interest ran high.
At the biggest match. in County Dub.
lin, the crowd was very large, and the
excitement is reported to be as great
as that displayed at yacht races.
Montgomery County sentinel. [volume] (Rockville, Md.) 1855-1974, 1934-07-19

Sleeping car airplanes" are now a
reality. They have been foretold In
this column and elsewhere for years.
Foolish plans are proposed and fool
ish things are done, but real progress
continues.
g, King Features Syndicate, Inc.
WNu Service.
Montgomery County sentinel. [volume] (Rockville, Md.) 1855-1974, 1934-07-19

There you have our civilization
upside down. With us, those nearest
the ground get the least, those next
above get little more, and those at
the very top get practically every
thing.
Montgomery County sentinel. [volume] (Rockville, Md.) 1855-1974, 1934-07-19

The wise socialism is that which
gives to the big crowd bigger and
better ships, parks and hotels than
any individual, no matter how rich,
could afford for himself.
Also, among Americans of the right
kind, a man and woman take pride in
improving their own little house or
boat, wasting no time in foolish envy
of others. There is no real happiness
of possession, except in what we earn.
The Waterbury Democrat., 1934-02-19
Runors And Reality Gathered From This Sporting World
 BY JOHN A. CLUNEY The Grist Of Athletic C on ntest
Pritchett Gets Fidgety Again

Feeling, perhaps, that the continued success of col
 ege football during the past two from financial and athletic viewpoint and also that the public memory of the famous bulletin 23 surprisingly short the not we'll known MT Pritche again takes his vitrolc pen in
 hand to literally mbat the threeyear contract signed last spring between Notre Dame and Southern California at
 ec authorities He refers to be matter purely com mercal proposition, (which will probably undenied)
 challenging the university heads to show where the connec
 on between the profits of the will aid the educa
 onal policies at the institutions MT Pritche be first class publicity seeker is completely veoped with his halo of right and wrong regards col
 ege education and sports With without football col ege to thousands is just what the okesters claim -a four loaf to young who have not the mental bon to get out of bed but whose happen to have
 the money necessary provide "a college education for their offspring apparently for other than being able to claim that Junior is Yae Harvard Princeton whatever the situation might be- the point to the mat ter having only recently been expressed by of the young Rockefeers who said coege the bunk left Yale and got job oil truck-afer he failed to make his grades at New Haven To my knowledge there is yet to be large university athletic official of recent years who claims that college football is spor for sports sake basis for it's football receipts that support all other college spors of which kicked back to the Carnegie Foundation So what? Next just ask the fan next you at the Yale Bowl if he remembers MT Pritchett He will probably counter your question with another such as-how high is UP?