Evening star., 1933-02-04
The examination OF Sergeant at
Arms Ddptd S. Barry by members of
the Senate yesterday tolloius In full:


oath to the sergeant at arms.
i (Sergeant at Arms Barry rose
and raised his right handy
The President pro tempore. You do
solemnly swear, in reference to the
cause now on hearing before the Sen
ate. that you will tell the truth, the
whole truth, and nothing but the truth,
so help you God?
Sergeant at Arms Barry. I do.
The President pro tempore The Sen
ate Is now resolved into a court Of trial
to hear the sergeant at arms.
NJ. Ashurst. Mr.. president I re-
specttully move that any and all ques-
tionS to Mr.. Barry be in writing.
The President pro tempore. Does the
Senator ask that any time be given Mr.
Barry IN which to consider his answers?
Mr.. Borah. Mr.. president, I suggest
that Mr.. Barry state whether or not he
desires to proceed at this time. II he
desires time to consult counsel, the
Senate ought to give 1t to him. After
that we can determine how we will
question him, If he does not desire time
The President pro tempore. Very we'll:
the Senate will hear the sergeant at
arms.
Sergeant at Arms Barry. have no
desire to have counsel There is no
real explanation to make. The article
stands for what 1t says. Any further
statement that is desired I will be glad
to make about 1t, but I have no desire
to make one.
The President pro tempore Very well.
Then the question recurs upon the mo-
ton OF the Senator from Arizona,
namely, that any question to be pro-
pounded by any Senator to the serg-
cant at arms in the course of the hear
ing now being held shall be submitted
to him in writing.
The motion was rejected.
The President pro tempore. The
chair awaits further action on the part
of the Senate.
Mr.. Watson. Mr.. president, NAV I
be permitted to ask Mr.. Barry q cues
tion or two?
The President pro tempore. The chair
assumes that the Senate for the minute
has resolved itself into a court of in
quiry, and, having rejected the motion
OF the Senator from Arizona that oues-
lions to the sergeant at arms be pro-
pounded IN writing the chair holds
that any Senator may rise and orally
PROFOUND to the sergeant at arms any
gu 'stion which he has in mind.
Mr.. Watson. Mr.. Barry, did you write
the article in the New Outlook pub
lished this month?
Sergeant at Arms Barry. I did
Mr.. Watson. In that article did you
say
There are not many Senators or Rep
resentatives who sell their vote for
money. and it is pretty well known who
| those few are"
Sergeant at Arms Barry. Yes, sir; I
| did
Mr.. Watson Who are those Senators
and Representatives who you know have
sold their votes for money?
Sergeant at Arms Barry I have not
the slightest idea. I had no Senator in
mind, and do not know that there is
such a Senator
Mr.. Watson. What. then, Mr.. Barry,
did you mean by that language?
mo Crooks in Congress-
Sergeant at Arms Barry. My idea in
writing that was to defend the Senate
from the popular belief that there are
crooks and grafters here I have for 30
years taken that view I have written
great many times and said a great
many times that there are no crooks in
Congress; that 1t Is mistaken popular
belief but it is the general belief; and
meant by that, Of course, that If there
were few men here who did take
money for their votes they would be
very well known to their colleagues. I
meant nothing further than that and
my motive was entirely in the way of
defense Of the Senate.
I will say that I wrote this article
some time ago and never knew 1t was
published until Mr.. La Guardia spoke
today. I never received a proof Of it.
7 ifx, 10 ~
do not say that I would have changed
the proof, but I might have done So,
and certainly would If my attention
had been called to the meaning Of these
words. I should certainly have changed
it, because I do not know of any such
men and did not mean to imply that I
did.
Mr.. Barkley. Mr.. President, should
like to ask the sergeant at arms if he
received compensation for the publica-
ton Of this article?
Sergeant at Arms Barry. I have not
received any compensation, but pre-
sumo will: expect to be paid for it.
Mr.. Barkley. Did you write it at the
request Of the publisher Of this maga-
zine?
Sergeant at Arms Barry. Yes. sir.
I did not write this particular article
but agreed to write them some articles,
but not to have any name. I submit
ted this article, along with another ar
ticle, and that is the last heard of it.
Mr.. Barkley. You wrote it under q
contract with them?
Sergeant at Arms Barry. Yes, sir.
Mr. Barkley. To receive compensa-
ton?
Sergeant at Arms Barry. The ar
rangement for compensation was made
after I had written it and submitted it.
Mr.. Barkley. How many articles are
you to write for this magazine?
Sergeant at Arms Barry. I have not
any idea, sir.
Mr.. Barley. Will they all be on
the Senate?
Sergeant at Arms Barry. Oh, no, sir.
Mr.. Barkley. What are you to be
paid for the article that has been pub
lished?
Sergeant at Arms Barry. I do not
exactly know supposed that before
| this article was printed there would be
| definite arrangement about that, and
I was very much surprised when 1t was
printed I did not know 1t until today.
Mr.. Barkley. You said you prepared
it in pursuance OF contract you had
Sergeant at Arms Barry. Yes, sir
I had q general contract with them.
Mr.. Barkley. What were the terms
| of the contract?
$3.50 An Article.
Sergeant at Arms Barry. They were
to pay me $3.50 an article.
Mr.. Barkley. That is what you ex-
| pect?
Sergeant at Arms Barry. That is
| what I expect; yes.
Mr. Barley. You do not know how
many will be published?