Evening star., 1933-02-04

Senator, that was CnOugnCleSSly USED.
did not intend to say it definitely.
I did not have in mind any person
when wrote 1t.
Mr.. Barkley. You have had long ex-
perience as writer?
Sergeant at Arms Barry. Yes.
Mr.. Barkley. You know, of course,
what the ordinary citizen reading Ian
guage of that sort would infer?
Sergeant at Arms Barry. I do not
think they would infer what seems to
have been inferred generally here. ]
think they would have gone more on
What it says.
Mr.. Barkley Reading that language
now as it is published in the first par
agraph of your article, what other in
depreciation would any ordinary intelli-
gent person put upon it except that you
knew of certain members of Congress
who had sold their votes, although
there were only a few of them?
Sergeant at Arms Barry. I do not
know that they could make any other
inference, but I did not intend to say
that knew them or that others knew
them. My intention was to carry the
statement that they would be so few
that they would all be known to every
body, and probably were.
Mr. Barkley. In other words, you
think the fewer they are the better they
would be known, rather than if they
were all guilty, it would be secret?
Sergeant at Arms Barry. Certainly II
would be known if there were few OF
them. but had no other intention than
as I have stated.
"The Natural Inference"
Mr. Norris. Mr.. Barry, you say In
this article:
There are not many Senators or Rep
resentatives who sell their vote for
money.
Could you draw any other implica
ton from that than that there were
several who did sell their votes fol-
money?
Sergeant at Arms Barry. Well. be-
lieve that would be the natural In
ference.
Mr.. Norris. Do you mean to say that
is true?
Sergeant at Arms Barry. I do not.
Mr.. Norris Well, why did you say
it in this article if you were honestly
trying to defend Congress against at
tackS which you believed to be false?
Sergeant at Arms Barry. can only
say that I think it is rather thought
lessly and carelessly written. If I had
had an opportunity to correct it-tc
correct the proof of it think prob
ably that would have been changed. II
certainly would have been If anybody
had called my attention to the Ian
guage.
Mr.. Norris Following that language
I have just read, you say:
And it is pretty well known who thosS
few are
Can you give any intelligent reason
to the Senate why you used that Ian
guage unless you wanted to convey BY
the language I first read to you thai
sentatives who did sell their votes fol
money?
Sergeant at Arms Barry. No, sir;
cannot
Mr.. Norris. Well, what explanation
have you to give for that languages
it true or false?
Sergeant at Arms Barry. I canno,
say.
Mr.. Norris. Then. If you cannot say
why did you make the charge which on
the face of it leaves no doubt what
ever? You have said here that
There are not many Senators OF
Representatives who sell their votes fol
money, and it is pretty well known who
those few are"
Sergeant at Arms Barry. I may have
been mistaken in making that state
ment.
Mr.. Norris Is that statement true!
Sergeant at Arms Barry. 1t may not
be: have no way of proving it.
Mr. Norris. You made such a state
ment without having any evidence-t
that true?
Sergeant at Arms Barry. I am un.
able to say.
Mr.. Norris. If it is true, then give
us the evidence If you know anybody
in the Senate or House who has sole
his vote for money, give the name OF
the names of those Representatives Of
Senators now.
Sergeant at Arms Barry. do moi
think I shall do that, Senator.
Mr. Norris. I did not quite under.
stand; speak a little louder, please.
Sergeant at Arms Barry. say I de
not think I shall do that.
Mr.. Norris. Do you mean to say
because you will not do it, that there
are such men?
Sergeant at Arms Barry. No, sir.
Mr.. Norris. And you refuse to tel
who they are?
Sergeant at Arms Barry. No. sir
not AT all
Mr.. Norris. Then what do you mean
Sergeant at Arms Barry. I do no
know any.
Mr.. Norris. Do you have any knowl
edge Of any member of the House o.
Senate who sells his vote or has solt
his vote for money?
Sergeant at Arms Barry. No, sir;
have not.
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edge of any Senator or Representative
besides money?
Sergeant at Arms Barry. No; hav'
not any knowledge to that effect.
Mr.. Norris. The Senator from In
diana did not read the portion following
what he read to you. had better reat
all of it, so as to get the sense:
There are not many Senators o.
Representatives who sell their vote fo
money, and it is pretty well known VIII
those few are; but there are man,
demagogues of the kind that will vot,
for legislation solely because they thinl
that it will help their political ant
social fortunes"
Repeats Demagogue Charge.
And then you follow that by this Ian
That is what passed the constitutions
amendment providing for the popula
election of Senators, it Is what passe,
the amendment giving suffrage t,
women, 1t is what passed the prohibi
tion amendment, and it is what ha
made possible the almost successful at
tempt to hang the bonus on the Amer
ican taxpayers.
Is 1t true, in your judgment, tina
there are demagogues in the House ant
Senate, and it is because of the votes o
those demagogues that these amend
ments have been submitted to the peo
ple?
Sergeant at Arms Barry. I mos
certainly do.
Mr.. Norris You think everybody VIII
voted, then, for the constitutions
amendment providing for the popula
election of Senators was a demagogue
/ Sergeant at Arms Barry. certainl
| do not.
Mr.. Norris. Then how do you clasif
them?
Sergeant at Arms Barry. In variou
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