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information regarding the move
ments of the Lindberghs.
The name of former Vice
President Dawes was also brought
/ IN by Means. According to his
story, Mrs. Mclean made a vain
Z attempt to secure the 100000
ransom from General Dawes.
Former Secretary Mellon was
also brought in, Means stating
that it was because CT the in
Vestigation he made of Mellon
at the request of President Hard
ing that he was sent to the Fed
eraI Penitentiary at Atlanta.
Set Trap for Indy
Senator Norris and Mrs. Alice
Roosevelt Longworth were other
prominent names inserted by
Means in his tale of the kidnap-
ing and subsequent events.
I got home around 3:45 and
spoke to my wife. I told her
about seeing the judge and she
said II know somebody that
knows Colonel Guggenheim that
knows Colonel Lindbergh very
well" I asked who it was and
she said Mr.. and Mrs. Robert
Fleming. asked her to call up
Mr.. Fleming and introduce me
over the telephone. She called up
and Mr.. Fleming was not home.
Mrs. Mclean Phones
Mr.. Fleming called up about 6
O'Clock and I was introduced to
him over the phone. He said he
couldn't come over as he had to
60 to a banquet. I urged him to
come past my house and he said
he would and would give me five
or six minutes. He came to my
house, but before he arrived I
received phone call from Mrs.
Evalyn Walsh Mclean who said
she wanted me to come and see
her on business.
She cidn't say what the busi-
ness was over the phone. Mr..
Fleming came in shortly after
wards and I introduced myself
and said I understood he knew
Colonel Guggenheim and asked
him if he knew whether Colonel
Guggenheim knew Colonel Lind
bergh. He said he did and I
said do you think he knows
Colonel Lindbergh we'll enough to
get authority for me to work on
the Lindbergh case. He said he
was sure he knew him we'll
enough to do that and would call
him up right away. He said he
would make an appointment for
me but I told him to make it
tentative appointment. He called
Colonel Guggenheim and I met
Colonel Guggenheim on the tele-
phone.
Fleming left shortly, and a little
while after the assistant manager
of the telephone company gave
my phone a ring. I answered.
He said he had great difficulty
getting in touch with me and said
your name is not listed. I said
I know it is, as I have my phone
under the name of Brazelton, the
man who owns the house. He
said the White House wants you
to call up. I said which Mr..
Means do you want. He said Mr..
CASTOR B. Means, and I said you
are talking to his brother. I said
I would tell him; that is, would
tell CASTOR Means to call when
he came in, and asked who he
should call. He said simply call
the White House number and say
this is CASTOR Means and they
will put you in touch with who
wants to speak to CASTOR Means.
Explains Precaution
I did this because that is the
way a man in the business I have
been in would do such thing, as
you can't take chances.
Any experienced investigator
has to resort to it. I knew the
call meant I would be in touch
with the Secret Service at the
White House. went to Mrs. Nc
Leans home in my car. The but
Ter took me into the front living
room.
She said that she had sent for
me to attend to some business
matters for her. I told her I was
interested in knowing how she
got my phone number. She said
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