The daily worker. [volume] (Chicago, Ill.) 1924-1958, 1932-06-16

Ludwig; OF late there has been a serious fear
among certain German men of politics that the
policy of traditional friendship between the U. S.
S. R. and Germany will be forced into the back
ground These misgivings arose in connection
with the negotiations between the U.S.SrR. and
Poland. If, as a result of these negotiations, the
recognition by the U.SSR. of the present Polish
boundaries were to become fact, it would mean
a grave disappointment for the entire German
peop,s. vino still think that the US.SR. wages
a struggle against the Versailles system and does
not intend to recognize it.
Stain: I know that among certain German
statesmen thore is noticeable a degree of dis
satisfaction and alarm less the Soviet Union in
its negotiations or in any treaty concluded with
Poland, take step which might signify that the
Soviet Union sanctions or guarantees the pos
sessions and boundaries of Poland. In my opin-
ion these alarms are mistaken. We have al
WAYS been declaring our readiness to conclude
,non-a o~rsssion pact with any government With
a number Of governments we have already con-
cluded such pacts We declare openly our readi-
res to conclude similar pact also with Poland
When We declare that we are ready to sign a
aggression pact with Polandwe do not do it
for the sake of the nice phrase but really in or
der In siqn such pact. We are politicians if
you p,asse, of different color. There are polit-
Clans who today will promise or declare one
thr~. and the next dav they will either forget
or denv what thew said without even blushing.
We cannot act that way. Whatever is taking
nlaca outside the country inevitably becomes
known inside the country, it becomes known to
all TIE workers End peasants. If we were to say
one thing and 90 another thinp we would lose
Our PRESTIGE The moment the Poles declare
their readiness to conduct with US negotiations
concerniro a non-aggression pact we naturally
agree and enter upon the negotiations.
What is from the German standpoint, the
most dangerous thing that can happen as a re-
suit of this question? A change in our atti-
tude towards the Germans, a worsening of rela-
tionshio? But for this there is no ground We
as we'll as the Poles, must declare in the pact
that we will not resort to force to attack in
der to change the boundaries of Poland and the
U.S.S,R" or to violate their independence Just
es we rive this promise to the Poles. they give
TIE game promise to US. Without this point to
the effect that we do not intent to wage war
I'm o~der to violate the independence or integrity
OF the boundaries of our countries non agrees
sion poet cannot be concluded. without this
point there is no use even talking about pact
This is the maximum of what we can do. Does
1t mean the recognition of the Versailles system?
No. Or is it guarantee Of boundaries? No
We never were the guarantors Of Poland and
never will be- just as Poland never was nor will
be the guarantcr of our boundaries. Our friendly
relations with Germany remain the same
they have beeen This is my firm conviction.
Thus the fears of which you speak are quite I'M
founded. These fears arose as result of rumors
which we're spread by certain Poles and French
men. These fears will disappear when we will
make public the pact, if Poland signs it. Every
one will see then that it contains nothing against
Germany.
About Equality.
Ludwig: am very thankful to you for this
declaration. Permit me to ask you the follow
ing question: You speak of equalization" and
in the Russian word "uravniovka." In this con-
nection there is definite ironical conotation
with respect to general equalization. But gen.
aal equalization, on the other hand is a social
is5 ideal.
StaNai The kind of Socialism under which all
people age to receive the same pay, the same
quantity Of meat, the same quantity of bread or
to wear tire same clothes and to receive the
same prcllucts in the quantity this kind of
Socialism is not known to Marxism. Marxsm
says only thing until classes are finally de-
stroyea, and until labor has not become prime
necessity of life voluntary effort on behalf Of
society ~ ther than means of existence, people