Evening star., 1932-05-18

to him and met him there on several
different occasions, He was going to
carry me to Newark and from Newark
together and work on some sort of
plan. We went over in his car and this
was the first time I met John. There
were three people there, John and his
other two associates besides Sam. We
were waiting for Din. He was sup
posed to come in his boat, but he was
held up on account of the fog We
went back again the next night and
we drove all the way down to Cape
May, went aboard his boat, the new
one called for Theresa Salvatore.
They talked over the general de-
scription of the child, and they said
they would give me complete descrip-
ton back in five days. During that
time T had a number of conferences
with the Colonel, and the Colonel was
skeptical and said he would have to be
shown. On this particular time
called UP the Colonel from the Teles
phone Building in Trenton.
Question-Where did you go in
Cape May?
Answer-''Went to Schellingers Fish
Docks and boarded the Seabright
skiff; no name and number on it. and
powered by Ship-Kermas engine.
then went with Edwin and Dick to
they prevailed upon me that I should
come down and call the Colonel UP.
We came up and the Colonel saw US
in the upstairs room and told us then
that he would like to take his word
for it.
Later we got in touch with the
Colonel and he called me to the tele-
phone with the result that I came up
here and explained number Of things
to him. I told him that they wanted
him to come down to Cape May to see
them again and he stated that it would
be satisfactory for him to come down.
Says He Saw Marked Money.
THAT time I went to the second
meeting in Newark, at which time they
showed me some Of the marked money,
and they put out list showing the
serial numbers of the ransom money,
and checked the bills against 1t. Each
man had $500. Then checked five
bills against this list, which was printed
on q reddish color newspaper. I don't
know what the name of the paper was.
The list appeared on the rtghthand side
IN a block.
Then / think 1 came to you, Col.
Lindbergh, and told you about that, and
then told you later on that the people
wanted me to get the whole crowd TO-
gether on his boat; so then he asked me
if it would be satisfactory If the colonel
came along. The colonel asked me how
about him going and l said it would be
perfectly satisfactory. l then went
Down again and went to Shellinger's
Docks again and got aboard the boat
again, and at that time the whole works
was there-I mean the whole bunch of
them-Dynamite, John, Sam Anels.
Dynanite's last name is Olaf Larson
ard Sans last name is Torresdale,
alias Tarsdale, alias Sam -Vernikoff,
allas Sam Truesdale, alias Murray and
Torresdale. alias Morris Vernikoff, alias
Murray ThurSdale, A. B. Murray and
Murray Green.
so he went down and I went aboard
the boat and we had quite a session, in
which John suggested that l was in
their power and that they could do
anything they wanted with me, and I
told them was not afraid of them, and
from then on I sort of half way con-
trolled the situation. I told them I
had in a lock box a whole record Of
this transaction and If they done any
thing to me he would be worse OF than
they we're before. To that they agreed
and I came back and asked you some
questions when you were at Cape May
Court House, and one thing they wanted
to know was what the Federal people
were down there for, and then they
asked number Of questions 1 can't
recall"
Question-Where is the memoran-
dunn you spoke of?
Answer-In New York City at the
Prince George Hotel in the name of
friend of mine.
so then 1 went back to them and
told them about the questions. They
asked particularly about the Federal
men, and they said they would go of
Block Island and get the child and if
We would come up there we could get
it from there. The exact distance I
don't remember. 1t was marked on the
chart, and I still think I mad it IN my
possession when we went to the Colonel,
! Mr.. Bruce and Mr.. Shaw We planned
to take an amphibian plane, and the
Colonel thought it best to take boat,
and I phoned some friends of mine
for boat that We could get at Block
Island Mr.. Ziegler made arrangements
with some captain to take us. Went
with Mr.. Ziegler with another boat,
| went to Stonington and proceeded from
there at 3 o'clock in the morning Went
off Block Island and finished a whole
circuit Of the place, approximately 20
miles of our beat
Met Man in Cafeteria.
Saw the man the next night or the
night after in Newark and I agreed to
come down off the Virginia capes"
| Q.-Where did you meet this man?
| Am the same cafeteria, the Man
haitian. Mr.. Bruce was with me when
once met him at the Hermitage Hotel
| Seventh avenue and Forty-second
street. New York;.
Odd you ever see him at the
Hermitage Hotel A-No; showed