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Refining Is Perfected


EXPEDITION after expedition
Gwas sent to the Khibiny range,
Delgass says, after party of Rus
sian SCIENTISTS unearthed 400,000,000
tons of apatite-nephelite ores in
the mountain range several years
ago.
However" Delgass continues.
nothing was done with respect to
exploitation of the apatite until
1928, when the shortage of foreign
currency for imports influenced the
Soviet government to start the study
of the Khibiny phosphates and Ger
man scientists we're invited to de-
wise a process of extraction of apa-
tite from ores. Finally, process
of f1otation was evolved.
after having varied the process
in pilot plant, Russian engineers
designed the new project. 1t was
brought to the United States and
American specialists were consulted.
The General Engineering Com
pany went over the plans, Ameri-
can machinery was purchased, and
the construction of the plant start
ed. In the meanwhile mines were
established, transportation facilities
arranged and the mining begun.
THE crushing and f1otation plant
was put in action this autumn. The
ore from the mines is brought down
in railway cars to the plant in the
valley, where it is unloaded into
storage bunkers, from which it is
carried to the crushing plant by
conveyors."
The Indianapolis times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1922-1965, 1931-11-17
Free Speech on Campus

Free Speech on Campus
THE right to express an opinion
u in print is rather more valu-
able than the morale of the Colum-
bia or any other football eleven.
Free speech is vastly important
thing during the formative days of
university life. If undergraduates
are to accept the fact that honest
opinion may be throttled by faculty
or student DULLES, they have small
chance of coming out into the world
as valiant leaders of their own COM
munity.
And if one may look back upon
the record of the Blue and White
eleven, particularly as manifest in
the Cornell game, it seems pertinent
to ask just why Hewitt is SO much
more pugnacious in an editorial
Sanctum than on gridiron.
If he is going to hit anybody, I
suggest that in the role to which he
is assigned, it might be just a little
more glamorouS if he saved his We
hemence for the Syracuse line
rather than for the paragraphs of
the Spectator.
Copyright 1881 BY The Times
What is the source of the quota
ton I'VE shall all be changed, in
a moment, at the twinkling of an
eye?"
l Corinthians, Chapter IS, verses
81 and 81.
What is the population of BuenOs
Aires?
The estimated population for 1880
is 2,225,OOO.
How old is Ethel Barrymore, the
actress?
Fifty-two
What was the date of Easter Sun
day in 1880?
March %.
Was Queen Victoria of England
an only child?
She was the only child of Edward,
duke of Kent, fourth son Of George
III.
The Indianapolis times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1922-1965, 1931-11-17
Daily Thought

Lest Satan should get an adj
vantage of us; for we are not
ignorant of his devices.-2 Cor
inthians 2:11.
Temptation has a music for all
ears.-N. P. Willis.
Where can foreign coins be OK
changed for American money?
At the foreign exchange depart
nient Of any large bank.
When should roses be trans
planted?
Between the middle Of October
and the middle of November. They
should be dug up carefully and
taken to the new location before the
roots get dry.
The Indianapolis times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1922-1965, 1931-11-17
| 0oking Under the Dust

NATURALLY, I am not suggest
IN ing that, in college or out, all
things which are must of necessity
be awry. Yet it does seem useful
thing in any phase of life to chal-
lenge established belief. If the be-
lief or custom happens to be sound
it will be revivif1ed by this sort of
research.
And if it happens to rest upon
fallacious thought or emotion, an
attack very properly will demolish it.
Some have held that any long
established opinion must, Of course,
have justified itself merely through
the dignity of time. That. isn't so.
The world did not become fiat even
after a thousand years Of the lively
acceptance of this concept by cur
rent wise men.
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BraSS-CoIIar Business

THERE is every reason for a
Il third party in this country,
and there has been for at least
forty years, but brass-collar parti-
sanship seems to have enslaved a
sufficient portion of us to prevent
its formation.
We just can't get away from re-
naming Republicans, or Democrats,
no matter how definitely we dis
agree with the policy of both par
ties and no matter how badly we
want to express ourselves on ques-
tons they refuse to take up.
The prevailing idea Of political
independence includes little more
than switching from one old party
to the other, which necessarily lin
its the field of expression and ex-
plains why we have failed to make
more progress along certain lines.
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BY DIR. MORRIS FISHBEIN
Editor Journal of the American Medical
Association and of Hygcia, the
Health Magazine.

Health Magazine.
TINE variety of names that has
L been applied to chicken pox in
dictates the confusion that exists in
the public mind regarding what the
disease actually is.
DR.. w. w. Bauer points out in a
recent article that chicken pox has
been called water peck, glass peck,
sheep peck and crystal peck. The
medical name for it is varicella.
Because it resembles smallpox in
some Of it's outward manifestations,
it also has been called the false
smallpox.
Chicken pox occurs most often in
children. 1t is highly contagious and
spreads rapidly from one person to
another.
Usually one attack of chicken pox
The Indianapolis times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1922-1965, 1931-11-17
Arctic EmDire NiSional

THE Canadian ores, which are
4 expected to break Belgiums
monopoly of the worlds radium
market, are so rich in radium that
it has been found financially sound
to ship the ore by airplane to the
nearest railroad line.
The ores are located at La Bine
Point in the Great Bear lake
region.
Many experts see a new era of
development in the Arctic. For ex-
ample, Stefanson, the explorer, be-
lieves that great Arctic empire
some day will be developed.
The new Russian venture is dis
cussed in a report to the American
Chemical Society by Basile w.
DelgaSs, former vice-president of the
Amtorg Trading Company.
The Khibiny mountains, accord
ing to his report, are bleak and des-
olate in appearance. But Russia is
investing heavily in the venture.
Huge stones, remnants of the
glacial periods, block the entrances
to tbs Valleys he says. THE peaks
are covered by perpetual SHOWS and
dreary tundra lies for hundreds of
miles around.
1.-THE cost of the plant is 100000
gold rubleS, and it has a scheduled
production Of 100000 tons in 1881,
100000 tons in 1882 and 100000
tons in 1888
Part of the apatite produced is
exported to Europe, and it is
rumored that negotiations are being
conducted with view to export
ing apatite concentrates to the
United States.
"An appropriation of 6O,OO0,OOO
gold rubles has been. recently voted
by the council of peoples commits
sars to increase the existing plant
and to construct other chemical
plants in this region"
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Ideals and opinions expressed
in this column are those of
one of Americas most inter.
esting writer's and are pre-
scented without regard to their
agreement or disagreement
with the editorial attitude Of
this DaDer.-The Editor.
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TT CEEMC tn MI pv HAYWOOD
4 4 OA@4NAO Il ~ 4N1A Oi BROUN

TDNA FERBER and others have
II declared upon occasion that
there is no youth movement in
America. In particular, our colleges
have been singled out as hotbeds of
conservatism.
In other lands university students
are, for the most part, adventures
in their economic and political
points of view. Here, so the legend
runs, the average undergraduate is
already well on his way toward be-
coming a member of the National
Security League and an enrolled
Republican voter.
It seems to me that there is an
exceedingly promising ferment now
working around the campuSes. In
many of our best-known colleges,
the young men are beginning to ask
questions and to weigh and revalu-
ate old tradition.
The students are lifting them
selves above that dead-pan standard
of being merely collegiate. And the
field of articulation is logically the
undergraduate newspaper or maya
zine.
Both Yale and Harvard have
known the touch of iconoclaSm in
student publications. Now the Co.
lumbia Spectator steps boldly to the
front rank and front page through
its editors charge against football
in general and the prevailing con-
dition on Morningside Heights in
particular.
n
Suppose It's 'Exaggerated?'
T AM in complete agreement with
L the young mans congratulations,
although I am in no position to say
whether specific accusations against
the Columbia coaching system are
100 per cent accurate. But it will
not do to dismiss Spectators editor
ial comment by saying, as some of
the alumni have done, "All this is
exaggerated" 49,.
Suppose not more than Is per cent
of the complaints held up under
strict investigation? Even so, what
remained would be sufficient food
for thought.
And chiefly I am interested in the
fact that an undergraduate editor
has had the audacity to go against
the old, familiar loyalty which has
long been imposed upon men in
American universities. my college,
right or wrong" is an even more
universal practice than the dictum
established by Decatur.
The Indianapolis times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1922-1965, 1931-11-17

Nose PunCher Is Wrong
NOR is football and the glory of
IN your own team an unaSsail-
able ideal simply because the cheer
ing section has vociferated its devo-
ton through decade. Upon cir
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And now that the depression has taken the place
OF the war, it's more difficult for army officers to
say, Charge it,"
The Indianapolis times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1922-1965, 1931-11-17
What Happened to the Fourteen Points?

We celebrated Armistice day recently There is no
better way of estimating its fruits after thirteen years
than to determine what happened to the Fourteen
Points" of President Wilson, upon the basis of which
Germany accepted the Armistce.
/ Open covenants, openly arrived at There is no
evidence that secret diplomacy has abated The
United States today negotiating secretly with Japan
over Manchuria.
2. Absolute freedom of navigation in peace and
No real progress in achieving this goal which
would do away with the need for large navies
3. The removal of economic barriers. The world
groanS under the most extensive and the highest
tariff barriers in modern history.
4. Thoroughgoing armament reduction. The world
spent $4158000 600 ornaments last year about 10
per cent more than in 1918.
5. A fair adjustment of all colonial claims The
colonies of the German empire were seized and dis
tributed spoils to the victorS.
6. Evacuation and self-determination in Russia
Russia invaded by entente troops on many sides
and vigorous effort made to overthrow the Soviet
government.
T. Evacuation and restoration of Belgium by the
Germans. This executed promptly.
g. Restoration of Alsace-Lorraine to France This
was done, but effort was made to treat Germany
worse than she had treated France in 1870
Frontier of italy readjusted along clearly recog-
nizable lines of nationality" Italy got back all
Italians and all irredentist territory But she also
grabbed off more than quarter million Austrians in
the South Tyrol and has treated them harshly
10. Autonomous development for peoples of Aus
tria-Hungary. This has not been realized. The
former oppresSors have become the oppressed
II. Balkan states evacuated by central powers
and a fair Balkan settlement arranged. The central
powers carried out their agreement but the entente
did not. Bulgaria. Macedonia, and other Balkan
states dealt with unjuStly in the postwar trea-
ties and still suffer without abatement.
IL. Just treatment Of Turkey and subject nation
alitieS. Secured in spite of entente arrangements
through their successful defiance by MuStapha Renal
10. Independent Polish state limited to populations
'ndisputably Polish" Many non-Polsh peoples were
taken over, thus perpetualy menacing the peace of
Europe.
IA League of Nations to guarantee political indie
pendence and territorial integrity
The league has been formed, but it has permitted
atrocous instances of political oppression to exist
without protest The Manchurian issue is the first
great international crisis it has tackled Its success
here is not yet apparent
The victors in 1918 hardly have kept the faith with
the men who died to end and the war system
The Indianapolis times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1922-1965, 1931-11-17

At least the guy that's "jugt gigolo" is making
a living in jig time.
The Indianapolis times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1922-1965, 1931-11-17

Sing Sing prison has football team All you
have to do to be eligible is commit crime.
The Indianapolis times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1922-1965, 1931-11-17

Headline: Alabama Toasts Ohio My gosh, is it
still hot in Alabama?
The Indianapolis times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1922-1965, 1931-11-17

Marquis Henry de la FaIaise paid a dollar to be
sure he was divorced from Gloria Swanson If there
was reason, Constance may have Bennett.
The Indianapolis times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1922-1965, 1931-11-17

and better tested than complete and
answering support of a football
team.
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SCIENCE
BY DAVID DIETZ

Russia Pioneers IN the Far
North, Where Tndustry
Promises to Create a Nepo
polar Empire"
A MOTHER step in the industrial
N conquest of the far north has
been taken, this time by Soviet
Russia.
A great plant, designed to produce
annually more than million tons
of useful minerals, has been estab-
lished in the Khibiny mountains.
eighty miles north of the White sea
and within the Arctic circle.
The plant will dig and refine the
great ore deposits of the mountains.
These ores are rich in a mineral
known as apatite.
Apatite is calcium phosphate
fluoride and is of great value as a
source of agricultural fertilizers and
other phosphate compounds.
The ores also contain much neph-
elite, silicate which is rich in So
dunn, potassium and aluminium.
In addition, smaller deposits of
thorium, chromium and molybdenum
ores have been found. These metals
are all of considerable value in many
industries.
Announcement of RuSsia's new
mining operations in the far north
comes upon the heels of the dis
covery of rich pitch blende deposits
the ore from which radium is ex-
tracted - in the remote regions of
northern Canada.
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Marriage Licenses.

Nd. dame and Marsa S1sN <. Carpenter, 49, this
city; Rev. Patrick E. Conroy,, ?,
1snrin' -: Rev James E. Council
j Wilmer Jameson. 3D. and Mia H. DON
ner. "a: Rev c, J. Dacey ~, -
Robert p Payne. 90. ReminRton. va, enu
ora Phillips. 81, Culpeper, Va Juoee
RAYMOND Smith. %. and Sarah z. Riley.
81. both of Welcome, Md Rev. 1. M
Fusene v Lucas %. and Edna webb. ~,
both OF Baltimore Md Rey, Allan r Poore'
THOMAS Nj Kelley % and Mary A. Hoover.
20, both OF Pittston' Pa; Rev James T. Soi'-
James Cephas. 20 and Mary F. Smith 90;
Rev George z. Carter. - -
Chastain r Shipley. 49,. Berwyn. Mo arg
Evelyn L. Burroughs. a. this city Rev. H. T.
"pnlssnrin, H Neal. %. and Margaret DasEs.
III Rev John NJ Meskin 49,
Joseph M Norvell, jr.. 90 and Annie L.
Smith. II; Rev. Maurice J. KlnE
Ralph E Dewhirst. 20. and Norma Il.
Rodgers. I'll Rev. Mark Depp. zzL an
George W Uhl. 40. and Edna /. FUNK ~;
Rev William J. sweeney, ,,. r,-t
Gilbert Smilktn. y, ana Ll!llah DestihS'
ID: Rev. Jacob 4. Da6rot ~ II and
Reta T. Callahan, "a, this city; Rev Stanley
William Talbot. %. and Margaret Reetitt,
49, both OF Mount vernon, va rev. Alish
Melville II. Baptist, AZ, Newport News, Va,
end GLADYS NJ. Coleman, 35. Richmond va
Rev H A. WonlfsI
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GEN. JOHN RODGERS
DIES IN CALIFORNIA
Second Oldest Graduate of
West Point Served in Wars
of 81 and '98.

BY the Associated Press.
SAN FRANCISCO, August 11.-Pneu-
monla and heart disease proved fatal
to Brig. Gen John Isaac Rodgers,
U. s. A. retired, the second oldest
graduate of West Point, at Letterman
General Hospital here Saturday night.
Gen. Rodgers. who was 90, was born
in Fayette County Pa. in 1889. He
entered the United States Military
Academy at West Point on July /, 1856.
receiving a commission as second lieu
tenant of Artillery on May s. 1861. One
week later he was commissioned f1rst
lieutenant and before the close OF the
Civil War had received a captains rank.
In 1888 he was made major OF the
1st Artillery and in 1895 became lieu-
tenant colonel Just before the Span
ish-American War. in 1897. he was
made a colonel, but was advanced TO
the rank of brigadier general during the
war In 1902 he was promoted TO
brigadier general in the Regular Army.
On October Is, 1903, after 40 years in
the Army and service in two wars, he
was retired at his own request.
He is survived by daughter, Mrs.
Louisa Rodgers Hall, wife Of Col. Har-
rison Hall, Adiutant Generals Depart
ment, of Cambridge, Mass, and son,
Mai Robert c. Rodgers. on duty with
the 18th Cavalry, Fort Ringold, Tex.
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THE WEATHER

District of Columbia--Mostly cloudy
and continued cool tonight; tomorrow
generally fair and somewhat warmer;
moderate northerly winds.
Maryland--Mostly cloudy; somewhat
cooler in northeast portion tonight; to-
morrow generally fair: somewhat warm
er in the interior; moderate north or
northeast winds.
yirginia-Cioudy. probably rain In
southeast portion tonight; tomorrow
partly cloudy, somewhat cooler in ex-
treme southeast portion tonight: warm
er in the interior tomorrow, moderate
north ornortheast winds
Temperatures for "a Hours.
Thermometer pm. ga; 8 pm, "A;
IL midnight, 68; am. SO: s am, SO:
noon, 10. Barometer-4 pm, 2e5l: 6
pm. 1858; IL midnight, 2974; 4 am,
90 80; 8 am. 1884; neon. 1898.
Highest temperature, %, occurred at
pm yesterday.
Lowest temperature, 81, occurred at
10 pm. yesterday.
Temperature same date last year
Highest, 81; lowest. So
Tide Tables.
FURNISHED by United States Coast and
Geodetic Survey
Today--Low tide, 12:46 pm; high
tide, $50 am. and s. 90 pm.
Tomorrow-Low tide, 1921 am. and
1:35 pm; high tide, 6:3l am. and
1902 pm.
Rainfall
Comparative figures of the monthly
rainfall in the Capital for the first
eight months against the average are
shown in the following table:
AVERAGE 1o21
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at his home, 1882 Thirty-first street,
He had been actively connected with
Georgetown University Hospital and
Holy Trinity Parish. as well as other
Catholic charities. for many years.
Born In Rockville, Md. descendant
of one of Maryland's Oldest families.
Mr.. Ray came to Washington when
but youth and engaged in the whole
sale grocery business here. He retired
from that to enter the real estate bust
ness in 1902 and was instrumental in
the recent development of Georgetown.
He is survived by his widow, Mrs.
Lillian Sullivan Ray; two daughters.
Mrs. Maurice Vilsack. Pittsburgh. and
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1ratha.


loved wife OF Charles J, sullivan Of So
Passon shannon and he late Preston c.
shannon. Funeral viii be held from Eur
on wednesday, AUGUST Ia at $50 3 N.
thence 70 st. JoSephs Church. where mass
her seui s ln L a' RICK ' Greek Gene
terry.
TAYLOR. SAMUEL. IR. suddenly, on Sum
r 81. sw'. sSMUFi, TAYLOR. 5r. sen n
sna srolhsT 81 'sS 'a Sss ss BANS Ps
Everod and AdoDh TAYLOR Funeral
wyednsssdsy v Aasgs1 T. a. oeioek tr en-
tween Al. ard Str SIS. ~ Relaiiy ives arc
HIS soul went down in the svsnins.
when al was far and bright
But It shines todsy IN far-of land
his SISTER AND BROTHERS
lie on SUNDAY, KuEust .. 1881. a. 4 N.
e. e5,ld5en Hoysp't vat 9ifT 9se pes II
James M. and Beatrice VAUGHN. sister OF
Bernard and grsndoaushter Of MIS- al
a 19 sFq psFor wednesaa c Aa aSs s
i il oelos S~' ''''
WAGNER, FREDERICK, SR. on Monday,
i HSedS husband S Of the late MsrEtTet was
ner Funeral from his late residenee
al siS ESQ pm NJ Realizes and friends in
yited, fnterment Prospect Bill Gene
tefy. II
WAGNER. FREDERICK. washington Lodee.
No IS. B. p 8 Elks; The lodge VII con
in session e iSsToT Tor he 30 pnr Bose
S S stend9s 5af 9snsrsl e' ss
after Monday. August TO-: Elk services
at his late residence. el9 Sc, ne e :
at $50 pm. Wednesday. August r. BY
H,,.s WI IA saHEB7 E sss4.ssr Fa'F
WALDEN. ISABEL c. Suddenly on Tues
day; AusTst l. 1881 at siSlsy Hospital 51yr =;
GS agsL z walden MasnS of ioss Otis st. ne
Notice OF funeral later
I'm Mrntnridttt
BRANDESBURG. SARAH =. In sad but
shRhH b BRSNDENRuRci. who departed
this life five years ago today August H.
Sunshine passes. shadows fall
Love, remembrance, outlast all -,
And though the yeers be many nv. Or ieE a..r
HER SISTER. MRS. A. z. HoIBRooK.
DoHERTY. ALVIN r. In sad but loving re-
ALVIN r DOHERTy. who departed TINS
life six years ago today, August H. 1879.
There is some one who misses you badly
And finds the DAYS long SINCE e. yo ,. S %spt.
There is some one who LONGS for you oaiiE'
HIS LOVING MOTHER.
WILSON. ETA A. In sad and loving re-
membranes of my devoted mother. Eta
A WILSON. who died one year hEo toaaS'
August Il. 1880.
with our Savior she is waiting
In that upper garden lair.
She is waiting for our coming
There Will be no parting there. ,--.
DEVOTED DAUGHTER, VALEIR. AND
FAMILY.
WI SoN. ETA A. In sad and loving re-
membranes OF a devoted wife and motneT.
ETTA A. WILSON, who departed tnis NE
Beautiful toiier, thy work is done;
Beautiful life. thy crown is won
Beautiful soul 10 glory gone.
Gone wife aud mother, to rest.
DEVOTED HUSBAND AND DAUGHTERS,
FRANKIE AND VIRGINIA.
VIII SON. ROBERT CARTER. In loving re-
nembrance Of nv dear husband ana our
dear father ROBERT CARTER WILSON,
who passed away two years ago today
August IL, 1929. - ~.,,-r~-r, /.
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Deaths Reported.

The following deaths have been reported
to the Health Department in the past "a
Thomas H. Jones. 81, 1877 U ST. ne.
Gorgine Campbell, 50. 1924 Biltmore st,
Emma ] Hoskins. rs. GsllinRer Hospital
Peter Miller, So, Walter Reed General
Hospital
Jacob. E. Push. 4s. United States Naval
Norval Metcalf, as, 1897 Beecher st
Andrew Broker. -, GallinEer Hospital.
Adde v Webb. 20. Sibley Hospital.
Infant of A Albert and Muriel Jasper.
1850 Potomac ave. Sc.
James Samuels, as. Gallinger Hospital
James Newman, Il months, Children
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GAS VICTIM BURIED
Rites for Miss Ruckdaeschel. Who
Took Life, Held at Chapel.

Took Life, Held at Chapel.
The body OF Miss Laura E. Ruck-
daescheI. 40, former empioye OF the
Federal Trade Commission. who ended
her life by inhaling gas, was buried in
Prospect Hill Cemetery this afternoon.
following funeral services at Geier' s
funeral chapel. lllS Seventh street.
A certificate OF suicide was issued by
Coroner j. Ramsay hewitt yesterday.
The woman's body was found Sunday
night in the kitchen of the home of her
sister and brother in law. Mr.. and Mrs.
George w Johnson 1861 Meridian
place. Two gas jets on the stove were
found open, end notes asking forgive
ness OF her relatives for her act, which
she ascribed to Ill health, were also
found.
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Mrs. Joseph w. Montgomery, New Or
leans, La. and five grandchildren.
Funeral arrangements have not been
completed. Services will be held at
Trinity Church. Thirty-ffth and o
streets, with burial in Oak Hill Gene,
terry. Arrangements as to the day and
hour will be made later.