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The Washington times., 1930-10-07
VIEWS AND GOSSIP OF SOCIETY THE NATIONAL CAPITAL
G.R.D.Studio
Reopens for
Showing
Mrs. Roosevelt Continues to
Aid Artists in Organization
Started by Her Sister

Carrying out the mission Of
introducing worthy young artists
to the public through the me-
dunn of a gallery established by
her sister, the late Mrs. Gladys
Roosevelt Dick, Mrs. Phillip j.
Roosevelt, Of Cove Neck, has
reopened the G. r. D. Studio,
So West Street, New York city.
The studio, which bears the
initials of the late Mrs. Dick,
perpetuates the memory Of a
leader for many years in society
and hunting circles on the north
shore of Long Island. Mrs.
Dick. who was the first wife OF
Fairman r. Dick, OF Glen Head,
was killed on election day, 1924,
while hunting with the Meadow
Brook hounds near Glen Head,
when her animal fell upon her.
She and Mrs. Roosevelt, the
former Miss Jean Roosevelt.
are daughters of the late John
E. Roosevelt, of New York and
Washington, a cousin Of the late
7 President Theodore Roosevelt.
The opening exhibition in the
gallery was one of SO dry-point
caricatures of literati by Arthur
Hopkins, jr. 1t will be open
until october l8.
Club to Entertain
The board of governors Of
the National Women's Country
Club, have sent out invitations
for October 90, at 4 o'clock, for
the first of their musicals Of
the season. A very delightful
program will be given for the
members and their guests by
Marian Chase and Lester Shafer,
talented member Of the Deni,
shawn Dancers, and Katherine
Ellis, pianist. Mrs. Fernklin
Ellis is one of the leading musi-
clans in Washington.
Among the out-of town mem
bers who have recently been
elected to the Rational Woman's
Country Club are Mrs. Robert
A. Gardiner, Mrs. Carroll J..
Post, jr.. and Miss Florence Van
Rensselaer,, of New York city;
Mrs. Thomas Shaw, of Worcester,
Mass; Mrs. Potter Palmer, Of
Chicago; Mrs. Norman King
Evans, of Mentor, Ohio: Mrs.
Philip Andrew Meyers, of Ash
land. Ohio: Mrs. Frederick w.
Edmondson, and Miss Harriet
B. Turnbull, of Pittsburgh.
A**
Berlin Visitors Here
Mr.. and Mrs. Edmund H.
SHINES, of Berlin, are stay.
ing at the Mayflower while
Mr.. SHINES Is in Washington
attending the Road Congress.
Mrs. SHINES is the former
Miss Marga Won Schunze
Gaevernitz, daughter of the
former member Of the German
parliament and well-known pro-
fessor of economics. Mr.. and
Mrs. SHINES have made their
home in Berlin since their mar
riage in New York last Novem.
ber. They expectt to remain in
this country two months longer
and will then go to South Amer
ica,
The Washington times., 1930-10-07
Return From
Cruise on
Yacht

Mr.. and Mrs. A. Mitchell
Palmer Are Stopping at
the Carlton for the Autumn
Months.
Washington is fortunate
in having Mr. and Nrs A,
Mitchell Palmer here until
the first Of the year, Mr..
Palmer was Attorney General
in President Wilson's Ad.
ministration, and since his
marriage to the present Mrs,
Palmer several years. ago,
they have lived only a short
time in Washington. Mrs.
Palmer was Mrs John B.
Burial, of Connecticut. be
fore her marriage to MI,
Palmer. She has a rare
charm and graciousness. and
many friends in the Capital
will welcome her return.
Mr.. and Mrs. Palmer. spent a
very delightful summer aboard
the yacht Cambriona as the
guests of Mr.. and Mrs. Walter
Briggs, of Detroit. Mich. The
party. of eight cruised along
the Atlantic coast line as far
North as Maine, stopping off at
Bar Harbor.
Two Homes
The Palmers divide their time
between their two homes, one in
Stroudsburg, Pa. which is Mr..
Palmer's boyhood home. Their
winter place is in Miami. They
will open it in January and
spend the rest of the season
there. It is doubtful that the
Palmers will attempt to find a
home here, for as Mrs. Palmer
says I'VE opened the Carlton
some years ago and it feels just
like home to u.s."
Miss Mary Palmer. who is Mr..
Palmer's daughter by his former
marriage, is now in her senior
year at Swarthmore College
and will probably spend the
Christmas holidays here with
her parents. She spent the
summer studying at Oxford
University in England.
Mr.. Palmer keeps open his
law offices in Stroudsburg, even
during his Washington resi-
dence as Attorney General, and
also maintains offices in Mi
ami and washington.
Their host and hostess, Mr..
and Mrs. Briggs. have a son at
Georgetown University and will
undoubtedly spend a good deal
of time in Washington during
the school year.
The Washington times., 1930-10-07
Let's Go
Shaping
BY Patricia Lee

For names of the shops IDhere
you can find the articles de-
Scrtbed belotD, address Patricia
Lee. care of The Washington
Times, or telephone District
$3.50. Extension 1865, bettUeen the
hours of $50 and S.
The Washington times., 1930-10-07
Special Sale of
Winter Goats. S21.76

These are good looking coats
of a soft finished fabric such
as broadcloth. with attractive
fur collars and cuffs. They
are cut on new lines, with or
without belts and are very
smart. In all good colors such
as black, brown, green, etc.
The Washington times., 1930-10-07
Statuesque Lines
In the Evening

Evening dresses give you your
choice Of being either very ro-
mantle or very dignified. And
once in a while they have a
clever way Of combining both.
Greek statues. That's what
you're going to look like II your
choice is dignity. With long,
moulded lines, heavy hanging
folds and the waistline a little
higher. There's a typical Greek
statue dress sketched at the
left
Sometimes this silhouette is
softened at the waistline by a
slight blousing. Sometimes it's
decidedly fitted em
phasizing every curve. But al
ways it's statuesque and dignl
fled.
For your more romantic mo.
ments, there are dresses that
fall in a cascade of tier on tier.
Or that go straight back to
1890 for their bustle-back drap.
ing. Or even to the mid.
Victorian tor their off-Shoulder
/ decolletages.
You can see this Victorian
dress at the extreme left. A
Sunday night" or informal eve
ming dreSs-so it has the little
puff sleeves Of that period, too
But "omantic or dignified.
they're long. Always as long
as the ankles. And for more
formal wear. showing just the
Zip q the toes.
The Washington times., 1930-10-07
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President Reviews Parade
President Hoover left Boston
last evening for Kings Noun
tain, North Carolina, where
the sesquicentennial celebra-
ton and parade are to be re-
viewed by him today. He is
accompanied by Secretary
George Ackerson.
The Washington times., 1930-10-07
Fall Hats in
New Shapes, So

All the new devices for max.
ing hats smart are used in
these. such as double: hrims,
browns caught high on the
forehead, pleating, bows, etc.
They are in all good colors,
such as black, brown, green,
wine. and many others. In a
full range Of head sizes.
The Washington times., 1930-10-07
Table Flat Wear
Special at tic

You can set your table very
inexpensively with his, good
looking flat wear that Is re-
duced for October. AL neces.
sary pieces are available and it
is in tasteful patterns. The
plate is guaranteed 20 years.
The Washington times., 1930-10-07

This Way for
individuality
With only six daytime dress
silhouettes to choose from.
where's ali that individuality"
we hear about?
It's in the vast number Of in
teresting detail. Just as it IL
in the coats we told you about
yesterday. =
To say your bell silhouette
for ir1stance-may have a collar
less neckline. a scarf collar orr !
cowl-draped neckline. that It
may have straight. plain sleeves,
bell sleeves or sleeves with turn
back cuffs-is to tell only .
small part Of the story.
It might also have bolero or
surplice line in the bodice-or Q
vestee. or revers.. Or q dozen
other distinctive marks.
PleatS. scanning, wrapped gir.
dies. buckled belts. Long. fitted
sleeves: wide, full sleeves;
shirred sleeves: tucked sleeves.
Sleeves in two colorS. Button
trimming. Lingerie collars and
cuffs. Notched lapelS. Jabots.
One-Sided collars
The list goes on-hke the
brook-forever. just a few ex-
amples of them are sketched at
the left.
The Washington times., 1930-10-07
How Long Are
Fall Skirts?

now Long are
Fall Skirts?
All these dresses have been
sketched with their hens just
touching the middle Of the calf
of the leg. That's because they
are regular daytime dresses.
Sports clothes are worn q
little shorter. Spectator sports
at the upper calf active
sports dresses two inches below
the knee.
For afternoon-when we hear
talk of Moyen-age, Directoire
and other fascinating periods.
skirts drop-to the lower calf.
They drop still lower on Sun.
day nights and informal week
day nights-to the ankles. And
''lneel-and-toe" length-the tip
of toe and the back Of the heel
Just visible.
The Washington times., 1930-10-07
Fall Dresses on
New Lines, $685.

Have you noticed how flatter.
ing the cowl neckline is to
most peorls? We saw q stun.
ming dre"- of dark brick r''lSt
red silk ne with cowl neck.
line. a little lace veStee and
circular skirt. This shop has
others at the same price that
are Just as attractive and in
wide variety.
The Washington times., 1930-10-07

AboUe: DT Gp
droun nd sill.
houette, dtGgo
nal closing, but.
ton trim
The Washington times., 1930-09-17

figures to prove that it's great to ca
when you're hungry.
So we just ask you to take goo
look at the new wrapper, please! Th
bread is the same favor-same freshne.
same even texture-same everything
At your grocer's today and always.
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1930-02-28
Special! Playing Cards
2 Decks, 60c

Two decks of attractive cards, linen-fnish.
gold or silver edges, boxed At this price
and prizes.
PALAIS RoYAL-Mdin Floor
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1930-07-22
FORECASTS BRIGHT
FUTURE FOR TRADE
World as Whole Is in Fair
Shape, Thinks Former
Belgian Premier.

BY the Associated Press.
PARIS. -BusinesS probably will be
little below par this year, but the world
as a whole is getting along pretty well,
thinks Georges Theunis, former pre-
mier of Belgium and president OF the
international Chamber of Commerce.
A world business picture is given ny
him in his annual report on economic
Conditions IN 1929.
The Wall Street crash reduced pur-
chasing power of farmers and miners,
and heavy permanent capital invest
ments during recent years Of expansion
are cited as factors III the present mod
crate business recession.
Encouraging Signs Seen.
However. easier money, increasing in
naturalization of the world, more
stable curTencieS better living con-
ditions and lower taxes are given as en-
couraging signs and the future Is pre-
scented as bright.
Wages have been going up in many
countries Mr.. Theunls says, ana gen.
eral Improvement in the living con-
ditions of wage earners IN recent years
and the spread of education have In
tensified the demand for foodstuffs and
for luxury and semi-luxtry articles
such as automobiles, radio sets, motion
pictures and artificial silk goods"
Farm Situation Difficult"
The world wide tendency toward
chain stores and other business concen-
trations characteristic of this age, he
saws. lis possible only because of a
certain uniformity in the ways of living,
a certain moulding of the masses that
overshadows national particularisms."
Regardless of disturbing amount OF
unemployment in England, the Unfted
states, Germany, Italy and Hungary,
''from the point of view Of labor con-
ficts, 1929 may be considered as having
been really very calm"
Agriculture. on the contrary, "has no
cause to congratulate itself" The
farm situation he finds generally
difficult"
His last word is hope that the new
Bank of International Settlements Will
help stabilize world credit.
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1930-07-22
MAYOR WALKER RAPS
CORRUPTION CHARGES
Declares City Republicans Seek
Campaign Material, but
Warns Officials.

BY the Associated Press
NEW YORK, July 22.--Mayor James
J. Walker has warned city department
heads that corruption, irregularity and
dishonesty will not be tolerated in his
administration.
The warning was uttered in an adj
dress to executives and deputies of the
city'S 80 de artments, which was broad
cast over three radio systems last night.
The mayor defended his regime
against charges of scandal and accused
State Republicans who have been de-
manding q legislative inquiry into the
affairs Of the city, of attempting to
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1930-07-22
lNNKEEPERS DESERT
RESORTS ON RIVIERA
Several Successive Bad Seasons,
Due to Weather, Cause of Exc
dus From South France.

PARIS (P1.-An exodus of small inn
keepers and merchants from the Ri
viera is indicative of a transformation
in the vacation resorts of Southern
France.
Several successive bad seasons on
the Riviera, caused by what seems def
mite indifference of the weather man
toward that long-fayored region, have
driven the smaller hotel keepers to
other sections.
One of the most favored in this
change is the Touraine country,
through which flows the Loire River.
The weather is mild the year around,
and on the Paris-Bordeaux highway
small taverns are springing up much
as they used to exist from Marsetlle
to Monte Carlo.
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1930-07-22
CHICAGO ASH CAN CLUB
PROPRIETOR SHOT DOWN
Peter Inserio, Saloonkeeper, Tells
Police Whoever Fired on Him
"Did Good job"
Ry the Associated Press.

BY the Associated Press.
CHICAGO. July 22.-Peter CASH Can
Pete) Inserio, whose North Elizabeth
street saloon used to be callel the Ash
Can Club" was shot to death last night.
Six bullets entered his body, but In
serio, 40 years old, lived long enough to
be taken to a hospital. A policeman
asked who shot him.
IT don't know" he answered, ''but
they did good job"
No witness has been found to the
shooting An hour earlier Inserio had
been sitting In front of the saloon, now
called the idle Hour Club"
A search of the saloon disclosed few
nickels in the cash register. There was
no liquor or beer there.
Police believed Ash Can Pete" may
have been slain by enemies of the
Moran Aiello gang with whom, officers
said. Inserio had recently formed a
connection"
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1930-07-22
High Tension Wires
and Transformers
Taken by Thieves

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. R.-
Shocking as 1t was to city ON
cials, thief was apparently able
to get away with several electric
current transformers and many
yards Of high wires.
This thief had the police and
Ernest E. AnderS, commissioner
of utilities, worried.
No ordinary person could take
those things down without getting
killed or badly injured" the COM
missioner said.
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1930-07-22

drag e city's name in the mud be-
cause they lack an issue for the Fall
campaign.
He denied there had been any lower
ing OF the morale of the ctty's oficial
organization and declared that with the
exception of two now under investiga-
ton, city departments have functioned
without hint Of scandal or corrup-
ton.
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1930-07-22
commissariat for foreign affairs as

commissariat for foreign affairs Is
result.
Maxim Litvinoff, who for some time
has been acting commissar, was ap-
pointed to succeed NJ. Tchitcherin by
the Central Executive Committee.
Ntkolai Nikolaevich KrestinSky,
present Soviet Ambassador to Berlin,
was appointed first vice commissar, in
place of M. Litvinoff, and Lev Mikhail-
ovich Karakhan second vice commiSSar.
The board at the commiSSariat will
consist of M. Krestinsky, M Karakhan
and M. Boris Stomoniako.
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1930-07-22

suspends sentences and then ire
sentences" them to the school.
There they are instructed In traffic
laws, accident hazards. first aid. and
are retaught how to operate a motor
vehicle. Those who play hockey" ind
their original sentences levied. A
class of 551 was graduated recently.
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1930-07-22
Homes Omit Glass Windows.

PORT AU PRINCE, Haiti (P.-The
saying about people who live in glass
houses" has no bearing in this country.
The year-around heat makes Sashes
unnecessary. and scarcely two dozen
houses in the republic have glass
windows
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1930-07-22
Will Train Business Men.

MOSCOW P.-To trair efficient
business men with MARKHAM principles,
the Commissariat of Trade has decided
to open commercial academies in the
chief cities. giving courses in merchan-
diSing, credit and banking.
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1930-07-22
FOREIGN COMMISSAR
OF SOVIET RESIGNS
Ill Health Given as Reason for
Act of Georges
Tchitcherin.

BY the Associated Press
MOSCOW, July 22.-GeorgeS Tchit-
cherin, Soviet cpmmissar for foreign
affairs, resigned his post yesterday and
his resignation was accepted by the
Central Executive Committee He had
a brilliant record as a statesman.
The resignation has been reported
imminent for many months because of
the commissar's i'll health. After
treatment at Wiesbaden, in Germany,
he returned to Moscow early in June
and his retirement was then definitely
forecast.
A new lineup was presented at the
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1930-07-22
DRIVERS ARE TAUGHT
TO AVOID HAZARDS
Judge Sentences Offenders to School
Instead of Imposing Routine
Punishment.
Nv the Associated Press.

BY The ASSoclated FresS,
MINNEAPOLIS. A traffic school
where graduation doesn't mean di-
plomas. but where attendance and
punctuality are nearly perfect, is oper-
ated here and has 1,700 alumni
It is directed by Judge Levi NJ. Hall.
who believes that education rather
than Jail sentences and fines will i'm
prove driving, encourage more caution,
and reduce the accident rate.
Instead of sending first and minor
offenders to routine punishment, he
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1930-07-22
Sheer Chiffon Hose, Sis
In Smart Summer Shades

III JTTUL JUHITTBT JTUUgS
With silk plated soles and toe guards, and isle
lined hens i. these chiffon hose combine sheer
ness with longevity in a manner that accounts
for their popularity. French heel styles.
woMEN's HOSE AISLE 49, FIRST FLOOR
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1930-07-22
New HYMN Books Issued.

DRESDEN (P).-The Protestant State
Church of Saxony has issued new hymn
books, from which all references to the
royal house and the old monarchy have
been eliminated
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1930-07-22
ChiIdren's Silk Socks, soc

Halt and ankle Lengths
For vacation day parties little girls like to match
their frock colors with these silk socks. Half
and ankle lengths in pastels, champagne
and white. Sizes to 9.
cHIDRENs HOSE, AISLE IT, FIRST FLOOR.
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1930-07-22
Glass Made From Nepheline.

LENINGRAD (Pl.-A glass factory
here has made glass from nepheline, an
aluminium silicate, which, it is claimed,
does not require mixture with soda and
sulphate, as is the case with quartz.
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1930-07-22
RAIL TRAFFIC DROPS

2o, oo0,O 900 Cut Reported in Ger
many Last Year.
BERLIN (P.-German railways car
ried SO,0O0,ooo passengers in 1929, or
29. 900, 900 fewer than in 1928.
More than half of these passengers
travelled at reduced rates.
Only three in every 10000 passengers
rode first class.
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1930-07-22
Corns All Gone
Big and Small
Radox Took Them
Roots and All

In England they have a sensible
easy way to get rid Of corns In Just
few days--a joyous, invigorating
foot bath every night for 3 or 4
nights-then lift out the corn-out
70 stay.
Ask Peoples Drug Stores or any
drug store for q package of Radox,
first time on sale in America. Hard
corns-goft Corns-callouses - hard
skin on heels and toes-it's all the
same to RadoX-you'l have new,
strong, flawless feet week from
now ask for Radox and enjoy walk
1 ing--dancing. Advertisement.
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1930-07-22
Crepe de Chine, 81 yard
Chiffon and Crepe Prints, 81 yard

Prints gayer for evening Fashion assembage prints
that usually only higher priced fabrics make
these chifons and crepes most unusual values
sEcoD FLOOR
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1930-07-22
Pongee Prints, 81 yard

his seasons smaest designs represented this special
group These prints popular for daytime jacket ensembles
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1930-07-22

With old-fashioned fenininity now be-
come new-fashioned, these antique fin
ish hand mirrors :. with prints of
last century's beruff1ed ladies on the
back are fashions dictate for the
boudoir.
TIKI Cur SHoP, SEVENTH FLOOR.
The Kennewick courier-reporter. [volume] (Kennewick, Wash.) 1914-1938, 1930-06-05

Mrs. Ayers has been spending
the past week with Mrs. B. b.
Stewart, and left Monday morn
ing for Wenatchee where she will
attend a state Grange meeting.
After the meeting she will go to
Ringold TO visit for a while at the
Nagels' ranch.
While in Walla Walla last week
Mr.. and Mrs. H. S. Hughes visited
with Delphia Franklin at the st.
Mary's hospital.
Mr.. and Mrs. w. F. Robinson
left Tuesday morning for a short
visit in Seattle.
Fern Lecholt of Finley was the
guest of Aileen Williams last SUM-
day.
E. 7. Cushman of Eatonville was
a guest at the E. E. Toothaker
home last Sunday.
Ed Lape of Kennewick was at
Hutchinson's on Monday and bot
a load of cattle. .s'
Vernon McCarty visited with
Mr.. and Mrs. Pat Owens over Sat-
urday and Sunday.
John Mills spent Sunday at the
Graves home in Kennewick Sun
day ',..st
The Kennewick courier-reporter. [volume] (Kennewick, Wash.) 1914-1938, 1930-06-05
Miss Georgia Scott and Barnard

Miss Georgia Scott and Barnard
Boettcher were married at 3 o.
clock this afternoon at Falkland,
Washington, the brides home.
Invitations have been received
from Mr.. and Mrs. G. L. Deitrick
to the wedding of their daughter,
Esther to Mr.. Frank N Bray on
June 18th, at the NJ. E. church A
wedding supper will be served in
the church parlors. Both the bridge
and groom are from Seattle.
staying at the L. Smith home, are
thinning apples on the highlands.
Mr.. and Mrs. Sam McMahen of
Pasco visited Mrs. McMahen's par
ents, Mr.. and Mrs. j. B. Clements
Wednesday.
Mrs. ROLAND Gowing went to
Wenatchee Wednesday and return
ed Friday accompanied by her mo-
Their, Mrs. Blanche Burton, and
sister, Peggy Burton from Pome-
roy, who visited with Mr.. and Mrs.
Gowing until Wednesday.
L. A. Tweedt, John Smith and
L. Smith were in Prosser on jury
duty this week.
The Kennewick courier-reporter. [volume] (Kennewick, Wash.) 1914-1938, 1930-06-05

friends join in wishing her a pros
porous year.
The Kennistons, who lived in the
house formerly occupied by Mr.
and Mrs. o. Erickson, have moved
to Walla Walla Cecil Rice has
taken the Remission place.
Mr.. and Mrs. Barnard and Eliz-
abeth went to Cheney on Wednes-
day and brought Miss Gene Bar
nard home with them.
Miss Lois Ford came from the
Cheney normal on Friday and is
visiting at the RAIDER home.
Mrs. Rosa Buehler, Mrs. A.
Koehler and daughter, Mildred,
went to Ritzville Decoration Day.
They came home Sunday ina new
car.
Mrs. Olive Hanson is home from
Cheney for the summer.
Vale Grange drill team has
gone to Wenatchee and will put
on the 9Th degree Thursday eve
ming. The members of Vale Grange
are captain, A. F. Stops; master,
John Schernitzki; overseer, Harry
Ehrenberg; lecturer, Vada Olt-
man; steward, Harry Sandberg;
assistant steward, John Krohling;
chaplain, Mrs. w. C. McInnis;
treasurer, Mrs. G. Arrestouill; sec
rotary, Maral Arrestouilh; gate
Keeper Jean Arrestouilh; Ceres,
Elizabeth Barnard; Flora, Jean
Cheyne; Pomona, Mrs. j. Sedar;
executive committee, Freda Olchel-
tree, Mervin Olcheltree, Harold
Krahling, Jack Erickson; music
Mr.. and Mrs. III. Grimm.
Mr.. and Mrs. John Erickson went
to Cheney on Thursday to attend
the Commencement exercises. Miss
Helen was one of the honor grad
yates. They went to Spokane on
Thursday evening and came home
Friday bringing Helen with them. ,