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Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1929-10-23
WIND DRIVEN FLAMES
THREATEN VILLAGE
Forest Fire Hats Trains-People
Flee Homes at Gold Bar, in
Mountain Area.
BY the Associated Press.

BY the Associated Press.
SEATTLE, october 23.-Driven by a
heavy wind, a forest fire was threaten
ing the mountain village Of Gold Bar,
Wash, this morning The eastbound
Oriental Limited, Great Northern Rail-
way passenger train, was being held up
by the blaze, which was raging, out of
control, over four-mile area, near
Index.
-Four homes were directly in the path
of the flames and the families were
moving their household possessions to
safety.
The main camp of the Wallace Falls
Logging Co., in whose workings the fire
started, was reported in imminent dan
ger of destruction. A bridge at Devils
Elbow, on the Stevens Pass highway,
burned, blocking all traffic over the
Pass.
Approximately 400 men were fighting
the flames. while additional crews were
being recruited IN Seattle and rushed
to the blaze hourly.
The Empire Builder, principal pas
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1929-10-23
Births Reported.

The following births have been reported
20 the Health Department in the last "a
E6..B, / and and H Naomi & sseesg Boy boy
EdaTd r; and Eleanor g: 2; Gook:n' sirl'
FRANK sn P and shS Marsaret Z. Muisannon, girl
Lucas e. and Gladys Z. schoonmaker' girl
Siaudss i. and MAJ, Marian RI Mash, boy BOY
Charles W. and Helen T: MADDOX: boy.
Charles A. and Helen B, Bailey. boy.
Leo Hnd Je pd eo e p9nog Chern oo boy
Edw 1SspPe c. "a" and Josepsine Koblenx: boy.
R Richard 3. and Harriet Lanhan, boy.
Powhatan and Laura stephens. boy.
Thomas Ph M. and Mary NJ Watlinston, girl
Elmer ana ard m ssssrss Rar Heb! girl s
Joseph and P1 srs,4.t RI nsRn st girl
E Hsrsert NJ and End pf Isabelle Esson arl
MGTTs ~ a and Faces FsSs S girl
PoasIas 4 ana snd Louise s,t F. "; White girl:
CarI A. and Minnie D. Petersen. girl
Thomas ]. and Eleanor c. OHalloran, girl
James C. and Dorsey 3. Rollins, boy.
Irving and Frances Rambler, BOY.
Henry and Sadie Ross. boy.
Roger and Beatrice Williams. boy.
Richard and Marie Mcdaniel. girl.
Luther and Ida Harrinston. nri
Kerry and Ethel Nes.. ss>s.
Richard and Netel Robinson, girl
James and Eusebia Armstrong, eirl.
Charles and Beatrice Berry, girl.
William f. and Mamie Hatton, girl.
Samuel B. and Beatrice Holt girl.
Edward and Lena Jones. boy.
tennessee and Tennessee Haynie, boy.
Robert and Rosa L. Watkins. boy.
ROY and Nancy Colbert. 10y.
Samuel E. and Marie rate. boy.
Claude and LOWE Neville, boy.
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1929-10-23

The 81 bells in the new e. W. Box
Singing Tower" in Florida, range in
weight from II pounds to $4,000
pounds.
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1929-10-23
twelve MADE COLONIES.

The War Department announces the
promotion to the grade of colonel of IL
lieutenant colonies in various depart
ments as follows: Morris M. Keck. In
fantry: George P. Tyner, Field Artil-
lery; Ben Lear (jrD, Henry j. McKen-
ney, Oscar A. Magee and o. P. M
Hazard, Cavalry; Harry S. Parnell
Craig r. Snyder, James D. Heysinger.
Lloyd L. Smith. John B. Higgins and
" liam H. Tefft, Medical Corps.
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1929-10-23
Won BUEL0W IMPROVES.

ROME, October % (E1.-Prince Won
Buelow. former chancellor, foreign sec
rotary and Ambassador to italy of Ger
many, was said Monday night to be feel
ing much better after an illness with a
heavy cold during the last few days.
His physician had ordered him to bed.
Some uneasineSs was felt by his
friends because he is 80 years old and
because he was greatly grieved by the
death of his wife last January. They
had eloped in 1886 when he was at
tached to the Prussian legation at Dres-
den and she was the wife OF his chief
Count Won Doenhoff.
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1929-10-23

Cherokee Woman Dies at ITO.
FORT GIBSON, Okla, october 20
P.-Amanda Foster, who is shown by
records of the Cherokee Nation to have
lived 10 years, is dead.
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1929-10-23

senger train of the Great Northern. was
delayed last night, but took advantage
of temporary shift Of wind to pro-
coed.
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1929-10-23

America now leads the world in the
production of chemicals. the present
annual output being valued at more
than $2,275, 100000.
The Indianapolis times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1922-1965, 1929-10-09
Beer RUNNING
CASE AFFIRMED
Detroit Man Loses Appeal
of Prison Sentence.

Because he was caught red
handed by the Elkhart police, with
a beer truck disguised a. an oil
wagon, Arthur Faut, "a, Of Detroit,
must serve from one to two years
atsthe Indiana State Reformatory
and pay $500 fine, the supreme
court ruled Tuesday.
Faut was sentenced by the Elk
hart circuit court.
He and a companion were
operating the truck on the Detroit
Chicago beer line. When stopped
by Elkhart police, they told them
they we're running high powered
beer"
The arrest saved some unsuspect-
ing bootlegger from getting
trimmed. Half of the beer cargo
was Just near beer. There were ITS
bottles of three and one-half per
cent. It was this that brought con-
victiOn.
The Indianapolis times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1922-1965, 1929-10-09
Hold Movie on Plane

Entertainment in the form OF a
motion picture show was provided
for passengers on the westbound
TranScontinental Air Transport
plane, which passed through Indian
apolis Tuesday.
The movie show, which included
a feature picture. news reel and
comedy. was in the nature of an x
pertinent and may be made a reg
ular feature on T. A. T. planes. The
performance was under direction OF
c. E. Everett of the publicity de-
partment.
A small, very light and compact
protector was installed in the back
of the ship, the screen being placed
in the front behind the pilots COM
partment.
The Indianapolis times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1922-1965, 1929-10-09
NASH PUTS OUT
TWIN-ICNITI0N
STRAIGHT EIGHT
New Creation One of First
of Kind Presented to
Public.

m Times SDcciGI
KENOSHA, Wis, Oct. "a twin
ignition straight eight-the first
fine car Of its kind in the world
led the imposing presentation of
three new 400" series models for
1880, introduced to the motoring
public today by the Nash Motor
Company.
Built with the sound experience
and the broad understanding of
modern needs that has made Nash
engineering a sterling standard Of
the American industry, these three
entirely new lines of cars, on five
wheelbaSe lengths and in three
Nash price fields mark a startling
advancement in perfection of de-
sign and performance beyond any
previous accomplishment, and serve
10 lift moderate priced motoring to
Its highest level Of satisfaction. They
appear as another fulfllment of G.
w. NaSh's undertaking ambition to
supply at moderate cost automobiles
which possess everything in ap-
pearance, performance, comfort and
quality offered by the country's
most costly cars and to deyelope
finer cars as his thirty-seven years
of successful manufacturing roll
forward the record Of industrial
achievement.
Three complete groups-the twin
ignition eight, the tWin-ignition six
and the single siX-are included in
this valuable Nash offering. All of
the new models are equipped with
motors so far advanced as to be
considered a forecast of future fine
car design, but based on engineering
principles proved and enriched by
practical service and nationwide
public approval. Highest standards
in coach building are set by the
new and finer salon bodies, so care
fully engineered to each type of
car, and a corr of important but
perfectly co-ordinated advancements
in design and equipment await the
critical appraisal of experienced
motorists.
The Indianapolis times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1922-1965, 1929-10-09

as L ala WIN ADle.
I have never been a wild enthusi-
asst over TarZan although I admit
that Burroughs has given me many
exciting hours and he gave me
more while I was reading "Tarzan
and the Lost Empire"
This time we have TarZan back
in dark Africa with his monkey,
the wild beasts and the wild saw
ages. This time he leads his band
of Savages into the Lost Empire,
peopled by a bunch of real de-
scendants of Rome who wear the
same clothes as they did when
Rome had emperors.
So we live the old days when
Romans were Romans even with
their bag of holiday games in the
arena. Their sports as told by
Burroughs certainly makes our
games look mighty tame and lady
like.
But Tarzan goes through all OF
this horror along with Erich Won
Harden, a chap who is a nut over
archaeology. He is taken captive
when he discovers one section OF
the Lost Empire.
I am sure that you will find
"Tarzan and the Lost Empire as
published by Metropolitan Books.
New York, mighty interesting read
ing. 1t sells for 50.
OF course you will read it if you
have ever read O. Tarzan story.
n n
Indianapolis theaterS today offer:
"Pygmalion" at English's, Say 1t
With Songs" at the Apollo, 1.-THE
Greene Murder Case" at the Gran
ada, THE Isle of Lost Ships at the
Circle, THE Great Divide" at the
Indiana, Ann Corio at the Mutual,
THE Girl from Havana" at the
Lyric, Three Live Ghosts" at the
Palace, and movies at the Colonial.
The Indianapolis times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1922-1965, 1929-10-09
Thought Asthma
Would Smother Her
Sleeps All Night Now, Bronchial
Trouble Is Gone.

How to get rid of asthma and
severe bronchial coughs is convinc-
ingly told in a letter by Mrs. E. j.
Balm, 1902 w. Vermont ST., Indian
apolis, Ind. She says:
II had bronchial asthma severely and
was SO weak and nervous, it just
seemed 1 would drop at every step. I
couldn't sleep at night. When 1 would
lie down it seemed I would smother to
death. Since taking Nacor, every
symptom of asthma has left me, and I
did not have a bad cold or cough all
winter. I am stronger than l have
been for years"
Hundreds of other sufferers from
asthma, bronchitis and chronic coughs
have reported their recovery. after
years of affIiction. Their letters and
a booklet of valuable information about
these diseases will be sent free by Ma
cor Medicine Co.. 40S State Life Bldg.
Indianapolis, Ind. No matter how Sc
rious your case, call or write for this
free booklet. 1t may give your whole
life a new Observation-Disclosures.
The Indianapolis times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1922-1965, 1929-10-09
SHORTRIDGERS SHINE
Two Graduates Are Editors of Pub
locations at De PAW.

Guernsey Van Ripper, former
Shortridge high school student, is
editor of The De Paw, tri-Weekly
student paper of De Paw univer-
sity. He is a member CT the Phi
Kappa Psi fraternity. quarter back
on the varsity football team. and a
member of the Sigma Delta Chi,
Journalistic fraternity.
Leslie E. EversOn, another Short
ridge graduate, is editor of the yell
low Crab, humorous magazine, pub
lished by the De Paw chapter OF
Sigma Delta Chi. He is a member
Of the Beta Theta Pi fraternity.
The Indianapolis times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1922-1965, 1929-10-09
Arrivals and Departures

Hoosier Airport - Elvan Tarklng-
ton, Travel Air biplane, to Franklin
and return; Ned Bottom, Air King
biplane, to Dayton and return.
Capitol Airport-Ray Kuhl and
Charles Powell, E%aglerock, to
Greensburg; Wallace Entsminger
and James Sullivan, Waco, to Shell
byville and return; Richard Knox,
pilot, and J. H. McDuffee, Presto
Lite vice-president, Ryan Brougham,
to New York; Lee Eikenberry, Eagle
rock, from Flora and return.
Curtiss-Mar Hill Airport - Jack
Sinclair, Cessna, Columbus to st.
Louis; Pat Love, Davis Aircraft
Corporation pilot, Richmond, Davis
V-3 monoplane, Terre Haute to
The Indianapolis times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1922-1965, 1929-10-09
PAGE

not interfere with the city's bust-
ness Slack said after the meeting.
They have the privilege of acting
like other individuals"
Slack also announced the city hau
will be closed all day Nov. 5. Here
tofore, mayors have approved city
employees participating in pre-elec-
ton activities during working hours.
Stacks closed meeting came on
the eve of the Democratic campaign,
which will open with a mass meet
ing at Tomlinson hall Thursday
night.
The Indianapolis times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1922-1965, 1929-10-09
BANDIT CHIEF POLITE
Leader Faces Return of Rings to
Telephone Operator.

bU JUtLtU FTCSS
CHICAGO, Oct. 9.-Chicago ban
dts are learning manners. Three
held up even employees of a clean
ing and dyeing establishment Tues
day night and took $4,000. One
snatched two rings from the fingers
of Evelyn Riordan, telephone OPP
orator. The leader forced him to
return them.
The Indianapolis times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1922-1965, 1929-10-09
Club to Serve Filters

Plans / being made for the for
nation of an aviation division of
the Hoosier State Automobile Asso-
citation, according to M. E. Noblett,
secretary-manager.
The division will provide infor-
nation regarding airports and fly
ing, and will cooperate in marking
roads from cities to airports. 1t win
be a part of the "all-inclusive tour
service" by which touring informa-
ton is provided for all modes of
travel in seventeen foreign coun-
tries
The Indianapolis times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1922-1965, 1929-10-09

Excess acid is the common cause
of indigestion. 1t results in pain
and sourness about two hours after
eating. The quick corrective is an
alkali which n~eutralizeS acid. The
best corrective is Phillips Milk of
Magnesia. 1t has remained stand
ard with physicians in the so years
since it's invention.
One spoonful of Phillips Milk of
MagneSia n~eutralizeS instantly
many times its volume in acid. 1t
is harmless and taSteless and its
action is quick. You will never rely
OF crude methods, never continue
The Indianapolis times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1922-1965, 1929-10-09

Richmond; c. F. Cornish, Robin,
from Fl. Wayne and return: K. F.
Parker, Fleet biplane. Cincinnati to
GAINESVILLE, Wis; Herbert Oberting,
Challenger Communicative biplane,
Little Rock, Ark, to CurtiSs Flying
Service of New York; Embry-Riddle
passengers included, j.. D. Horner,
Asheville, N. c.. and George D.
Whiteside, Chicago, both of Chicago.
The Indianapolis times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1922-1965, 1929-10-09
MAKES TALK ON HOMER
Greek Poet Still Inspiration to
Writers Says Professor.

Homer, the Greek poet, has been
an inspiration of the worlds best
writer's to the present day, said DR..
Frank w. Tilden, Indiana university
professor of Greek Tuesday night
in the second Of a series Of talks on
Great Men of Letters, presented by
the extension division Of Indiana
university, 122 East Michigan street.
-Four hundred persons attended
the initial lecture, by Dr.. William
Lowe Bryan, president of the uni
versity last week. One hundred and
twenty-five have enrolled for the
remainder OF the course.
The Indianapolis times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1922-1965, 1929-10-09

to suffer, when you learn how
quickly, how pleasantly this premier
method acts, Please let 1t show
you-now.
Be sure to get the genuine Phil
lips Milk of Magnesia prescribed
by physicians for so years in cor
recting excess acids. Csc and SOC
a bottle-any drug store.
Milk of Magnesia' has been the
U. S. Registered Trade Mark of The
Charles H. Phillips Chemical Com
pany and its predecessor Charles.
H. Phillips since 1875.-Advertise-
ment.
The Indianapolis times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1922-1965, 1929-10-09
VALUED AT $1,000
Burglars Take Dresses and Coats
From Columbus Store.

from columbus SCOrt'
COLUMBUS, Ind, Oct. 9.-The j.
V. Hilger department store here was
robbed Tuesday night of approx
mately $1,000 in merchandise and
the entire stock was ranSacked.
1t is believed the burglars hid
themselves in the store during the
afternoon. The store was closed at
6 p M. The robbery was not dis
covered until early this morning
when employees opened the place for
business. .
The burglars had carefully looked
over the stock OF dresses and coats
taking 1877 of the most expensive
dresses and a number of valuable
coats.
This was the second time the
store has been robbed within a year.
Last winter approximately $4,000
worth of fur coats were stolen.
The Indianapolis times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1922-1965, 1929-10-09
WORK IS FIRST,
POLITICS LATER
Mayor ForbidS Employees
Using City Time.

Ultimatum that city employees
must not play politics during Office
hours" was issued today by Mayor
L. Ert Slack in a closed meeting
with Democratic city department
heads.
City employees may take an &C
tive part in prediction affairs
after Office hours, but politics must
The Indianapolis times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1922-1965, 1929-10-09
Six DAYS End Marriage

~ Times Special
HARTFORD CITY. Ind, Oct. O.
Separation of a husband and wife
six days after their marriage is re-
vealed in a divorce suit filed here
by Mrs. Emma E. Morton. 40, against
Leonard E. Morton. charging cruelty.
She had been married three times
previously and Morton once.
The Indianapolis times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1922-1965, 1929-10-09

TT IWCS NUfCIGT
UNIONPORT, Ind, oct. 8. -
Funeral services were held today
for Ambrose Vanlandingham, Ran
dolph county's Oldest Civil wal vet
eran, who died suddenly at his nome
two miles south of here. H. served
with the SiXty-ninth Indiana vol
unteerS.
The Indianapolis times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1922-1965, 1929-10-09
TARTAN FIGHTS THE
VERY OLD NJ
Edgar Rice Burroughs Now Let's His Ape Man Have Ton
of New Adventure in The Lost Empire.
BY WALTER d. HICKMAN

CAN understand why Edgar Rice Burroughs stories of Tarzan, the
l. ape man, are 81 popular.
His TarZan is simply glorifed melodramtic romance OF the jungles,
wild beasts and the natives in dark Africa.
In other words, Tarzan always has been weird and fascinating
theater instead of great literature.
I was one of the few critics who declared that "Abies Irish Rose"
on the stage was mighty good theater.
And in considering Burroughs latest, "Tarzan and the Lost Empire
I look upon it as exciting theater, not great or even good literature, just
The Indianapolis times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1922-1965, 1929-10-09
Grid Service Ready

Passenger service in comfortable
cabin planes will be offered to major
football games in the middle west
this fall by Capitol Anyways, Presi-
dent E. H. Jose has announced.
Trips will be made by reservation
only.
The Indianapolis times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1922-1965, 1929-10-09
New Plane Arrives

CurtisS Flying Service of Indiana
Tuesday received delivery of a new
Challenger Commandaire biplane
from the factory at Little Rock,
Ark, making the third Command
aire received in the last several
months.
The Indianapolis times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1922-1965, 1929-10-09
Air Talk Scheduled

Members of the Advertising Club
of Indianapolis vii hear a talk on
THE Air Mail and What 1t Will Do
for Advertising" by Evan w. Chat
field, Cincinnati, Embry-Riddle as
sistant manager, Thursday noon at
the Columbia Club.
The Indianapolis times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1922-1965, 1929-10-09
Faces Charges of Burglary

Raymond Fair, %, of 51O6 Pleas
ant Run boulevard, arrested Tues
day on fugitive charges, today was
taken to Greenfield. where he is
charged with second degree bur-
glary.
The Indianapolis times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1922-1965, 1929-10-09
E. H. Shepard to Speak

E. H. Sheppard of the Holly Car
buretor Company will speak Thurs
day night at the meeting of the IN
diana section of the Society of Auto
motive Engineers.
The Indianapolis times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1922-1965, 1929-10-09
Fiction

tano's New York stores for the
week ending Oct. 5:
Fiction
Farewell to Arms" Ernest Heming-
way, A magnificent novel Of war and
love by the author of The Sun Also
Rises" Scribner. $3.50.
Field of Honor" Dom Byrne. A
vivid novel Of the Napoleonic wars by
the author of Destiny Bay" Century.
$3.50.
The Dark Journey" Julian Green.
A new drama Of passion and introspec-
ton by the author of 1.-The Closed
Garden" Harper. $3.50.
Hans Frost" Hugh Walpole. A new
novel with the London background of
"Wintersmoon.' Doubleday Doran.
$3.50.
THE GALAXY Susan Ertz. A por-
trait of a lady by the author of Ma
dame Claire" Appleton, $3.50.
"Ex-Wife." Ursula Parrot. The views
and experiences of a young ex-wife.
Cape & Smith. 800.
The Indianapolis times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1922-1965, 1929-10-09
Best Sellers

The following is a list of the six
best sellers in fiction in Bren-
tano's New York stores for the
week ending Oct. 5:
Brownsville herald. [volume] (Brownsville, Tex.) 1910-current, 1929-06-14
THFRE Is HOPE FOR THE
DUB GOLFERS YET

Perhaps the saddest spectacle IN
golf is q hopeful swing from an am
bilious but inept player which
misses the ball entirely and comes
IN contact only with empty air.
Men have been known to quit the
game in disgust because they swung
at a ball and missed. The result
ing laughter has been heard around
the course. There was no reason
for their premature retirement.
Good golfers miss the ball-not
Cft1n-but sometimes. In the re-
cent British oDen at Muirfield a
well known British pro swung not
once. but twice. without hittoinp
The bali. He hal a GOOD X use.
The v1rd ilterfered with his stance
on a hill top tee.
And now Horton Smith has be-
come to the aid Of that III starred
group Of players who sometimes
miss the ball at which thew aim
Playing Henry Cotton in a S.
hole match at Coulsdon Court. Eng
land. lust before sailing for home
tho Joplin wizard sent a tee shot
into deep woods. foc I a difficult
liz and missed the bell completely
At that tie vounr fellow finally
holed 2 io-foot put for a fi-r. How
ever. not many Of the chaps he con-
e7'ed BY the miss viii be able 10
stage such a recovery.
Brownsville herald. [volume] (Brownsville, Tex.) 1910-current, 1929-06-14
PHILADELPHIA BECOMES
CAPITAL OF SWAT

If one would get in communica-
ton with the best hitters in base
ball for a few tips on how to hit
the ball high and far away, he has
no choice Of cities.
The best hitters live during the
early summer OF 1929 IN Philadel-
phia. The Phillies, OF all people,
are leading the National league IN
team batting with ar average Of
.314. The leading batsman OF the
league in recent figures was Frank
ODoul with an average OF AIT, and
ODoul also led in hits. more than
three score. Klein at that time lea
in home runs with Is.
The batting honcrs Of the world
must be shared with the Athletics
however. Connie Mack's men led
the American league as a team with
.303 and Jimmy FoxX, the versatile,
was the leagues leading batsman
with an average of .306. Simmons
topped the heap in runs batted in
with more than so 10 his credit.
Each Philadelphia club had seven
men IN the select 800 class when
the last official figures were issued.
ODoul the leading menace to the
other clubs, is a former pitcher who
turned to %outfielding on the Pacific
coast after he had left-handed on
the mound with the Yankees. The
Giants brought him back TO the
big time and then sent him to the
Phillies. Once upon q time this
sentence was just the same as being
returned to the minors. but times
have changed.
Another deadly walloper has been
Barney Friberg. who returned 10 the
wars as a regular when Tommy
Thevenow was injured, and az once
began 10 bat at a 400 clip. Friberg
was on the verge OF becoming a
pitcher when the S o s raj sound
ed for a shortStop. Once a good
hitter. in recent years Barney had
lost the combination and decided
that as pitchers do not have TO hit
he would become a pitcher. Theve-
nov soon will be recovered from his
automobile hurts. but whether he
can Gust the ~rejuvenated Friberg
remains to be seen.