Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1929-10-30
Pennsylvania Debates Tariff
and Political Methods
With Senators
CLASHES WITH BLAINE
OVER CLASSIFICATION"
Caraway, Walsh and Borah Join in
Verbal Fencing With Witness
Under Examination.

Frankly admitting that he did not
care whether he was classified" as a
lobbyist or not, Joseph r. Grundy
president of the Pennsylvania Manufac-
turerS' Association, engaged in lively
political debate on the tariff and politi-
cal methods in general with members oi
the Senate lobby committee before
whom he appeared for the third time
this morning.
Senators Walsh of Montana, Blaine OF
Wisconsin, Caraway of Arkansas and
Borah of Idaho tried to trip up the vet
eran wool manufacturer and legislative
representative and force him to admit
that he was only interested in getting
special favorS for Pennsylvania indus
tries, but Mr.. Grundy kept insisting he
was working for the protective principles
and in the interest of the entire coun-
try-farmers as we'll as manufacturers.
Session Is Fencing Match.
The whole session today developed
into a fencing match between the COM
mittee and Mr.. Grundy.
At one point Senator Blaine asked
Mr. Grundy for certain figures regard
ing the tariff on steel.
"You won't be classified as lobbyist
If you answer" said Senator Blaine.
IT am not concerned how am classi-
fed" asserted Mr.. Grundy.
Repeatedly the witness answered va
rious questions by declaring that he was
in favor of tariff on anything that is
imported into this country in compeu-
ton with American goods.
OtYfe IF eTiu farmer -
600 900 of our money in the farm-reliet
act" said Mr.. Grundy, the outStand-
ing way Of helping the farmer is to give
him a protective tariff"
THAT money is a loan," declared
Senator Blaine.
Approves Eyanson Acts.
Mr.. Grundy said that he fully ap-
proved of the activities of G. L. Eyan-
son. representative of the Connecticut
Manufacturers Association, who gained
admission to the secret sessions OF the
Senate finance committee during the
framing of the tariff bill as secretary TO
Senator Bingham of Connecticut. It
was necessary and proper, Mr.. Grundy
held, that men familiar with the tech
nical side of the tariff should advise the
committees of Congress.
do you believe that tariff ought to
be written at private meetings between
members of the House and Senate and
representatives of industries interested
in the tariff" asked Senator Caraway. :.
II wouldn't say at private meeting,
replied Mr.. Grundy, "but the only way
to get technical information is from
men who are interested"
DO YOU believe members of Congress
should be governed entirely by these
men?" asked Caraway.
mot entirely" replied the witness,
"but they should give due consideration
to what such men say"
do you think Eyanson is responsible
for some of the rates in the present
tariff bill?" asked Caraway.
II think he was helpful" answered
the witness.
Association Not in Politics.
Mr.. Grundy said that the Pennsyl-
vania Manufacturers Association did
not engage in politics, but the members
of the association did so as individuals.
"I would like to know" remarked
Senator Caraway, 'how you men divest
yourself Of one character and take on
another, just like the members of the
Ku Klux Klan put on a sheet"
The witness admitted that he had
urged Eyanson to stay in Washington
and listen to the Senate debates on
the tariff.
Questions and answers frequently
were banded back and forth between
Mr.. Grundy and members of the COM
mittee without any particular reference
to the lobby investigation.
Senator Blaine remarked that there
seems to be three kinds of lobbying
legislative, departmental and patronage
lobbying. He asked Mr.. Grundy what
he had to do with the nomination of
Albert L. Watson of Scranton, Pa, for
a Federal judgship in Eastern Pennsyl-
vania. Mr.. Grundy said the matter had
been discussed at dinner in his room
in the Mayfiower Hotel last April, at
tended by Senator Reed, Gov. Fisher,
w. l.. Mellon and other Pennsylvania
politicians, who had agreed that Watson
was a good man. Mr.. Grundy denied
that he had persuaded Senator Reed
to accept Watson against his own pref
erence.
Nomination Is Pending.
The nomination of Watson is now
pending before the Senate judiciary
committee and has aroused consider
able opposition.
Mr.. Grundy said that he was willing
to accept Senator Reeds Judgment in
the selection of a man for this place.
Mr.. Grundy was questioned by sew
eral Senators regarding conferences be-
tween Republican leaders in Chicago at
the time of the nomination of the late
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