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The Daily Alaska empire., 1928-08-30
THREE BOATS TAKE HERRING

The Gloria. Capt. A. Strom, the Irene, Capt. c. Johnson, and the Lindy, Capt c. Dedo. took bait at the Juneau Cold Storage con- pany last night and this morning
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LOCAL SAILiNGS

! Msrglnitn sched1lled to leave ] ' for Sitka and way ports a. ] ! s o'clock Wednesday night. .
 Sails for Skagway and way :. ports at s pm. every Mon ] day.
 Virginia W sails for Chicha- 2
 gof and way ports at 6 O. l
 ; clock every Wednesday !
 night. For Chatham Straits !
 route at 10 o'clock every ! Saturday night. F America First leaves every ! + Wednesday at l pm. for I | Petersburg and Rake apd ! wayports. ! | 4 < + !. + I. < + + I. + l
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FISH PRICES

SEATTLE, Aug. 30.-Forty-one thousand pounds of halibut sold here yesterday at 11A to 15 38 and 8 cents.
 Forty-six thousand pounds of sable sold for cents.
 Twenty-one thousand pounds of cob sold for cents.
The Daily Alaska empire., 1928-08-30

PRINCE RUPERT, B. C., Aug. 30.-Two hundred and sixty-seven thousand pounds of halibut sold here yesterday. American fish brought to 12.6 cents and Ca nadian to II cents.
The Daily Alaska empire., 1928-08-30

FIRE ALARM CALLS{ Ia Third and Franklin. IA Front and Franklin. l-5 Front, near Ferry Way.
 l-6 Front, opp. Film Exchange { 1-7 Front, opp. City Wharf. Is Front, near Saw Mill. 2-1 Willoughby at Totem Gro. 1 2-3 Willoughby, opp. B. P. R. l warehouse and garage. 2-4 Front and Seward. 2-5 Front and Main. 2-6 Second and Main. 2-7 Fifth and Seward. l 2-9 Fire Hall. 32 Gastineau and Rawn Way. l 3-4 Second and Gold.
 3-5 Fourth and Harris.
 3-6 Fifth and Gold.
 3-7 Fifth and East.
 ] 3-S Seventh and Gold.
 3-9 Fifth and Kennedy. 1 Al Ninth. back of power house. { 4-2 Calhoun, opp. Juneau Apts. 4-3 Distin Ave, and Indian St. 4-5 Ninth and Calhoun. 4-6 Seventh and Main. 4-7 Twelfth, Northern L'dry. 4-S Twelfth and Willoughby. i..9 Home Grocery.
The Daily Alaska empire., 1928-08-30
INFORMATION WANTED
 OF MATTHEW AINLAY

Inquiry has been received for information regarding Matthew Ainlay who is supposed to be in Alaska. Any information should be sent to the Governors Office at Juneau. ke
The Daily Alaska empire., 1928-08-30

KETCHIKAN, Aug. 30.-Halibut sold for 101a and 6 cents yester- day.
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Steamer Movements

NoRTHBoUND

Prince Rupert due at 7.O0
 o'clock tonight. . Alameda due Saturday. Admiral Watson due Saturday. , Princess Charlotte due Satur- day evening.
The Daily Alaska empire., 1928-08-30
TIDES TOMORROW

Low tide, 7:12 am, 20 feet. High tide, 0:47 am, 17.3 feet. Low tide, 7:25 pm, 0.6 feet. High tide, 1:30 pm, 16.7 feet.
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MISCELLANEOUS

BEST BOOTH in Fair Building is vacant. Who wants it? See Laurie.
The Daily Alaska empire., 1928-08-30
WANTED

WANTED-Partner to enter new business, preferably lady who is capable of office work. Write to COP, care Empire. State in letter amount capital possible to invest. Good possibilities for right party.
The Daily Alaska empire., 1928-08-30
Episcopal Prayer Book Changes May
 Eliminate Obey

(Con,,nnen rrosS -ase One.)
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Old papers for sais as the Empire.
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FOR RENT - Furnished house on Distin Avenue. } rooms with bath. Phone 4104.
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FOX RENT

FURNISHED. heated apt. 9th and
 Gold. Phone 5701.
Evening star., 1928-11-02
M0MONEY VAMPIRE
FIELD TRIAL VICTOR

FAIRFAX, Va. November 2 (Special).
The Northern Virginia Amateur Field
Trial Association yesterday afternoon
closed its fourth annual tests on quail
on the Centerville course. near Fairfax.
First honors In the all age went to Coll
bert's Momonev Vampire, owned by e.
r. Colbert of Fredericksburg. Sheffield
Peggy, owned by J. w. Dorsey Cook of
Potomac Beach placed second and Great
Alexander, owned by A. M. Pullen Of
Richmond. won third Prizes in the all
age were handsome silver bowls. Judges
for both the Members Derby and the
all age we're Matthew Trimble of Ken
sinaton. Md, and @. Handley Of CAL
lands. Va.
Excellent weather. a good course and
an abundance of birds insured the sue
cess Of the four days field trials i,lst
ended The two days trials of the Ma
tional Caoital Association on Monday
and Tuesday brought crowd Of spec
tatcrs from WASHINGTON to watch the
performance of the dogs A field of be-
tween 80 and 40 horses followed the
runs.
Evening star., 1928-11-02

returned to the lineup two days ago.
The Alabama team is expected to present
a banning passing attack to the Badgers
and Coach Glen Thistlethwaite has been
working overtime on defense against
it.
Ohio States heavier line made the
Buckeyes a favorite over Princeton. A
snappy drill on offensive blocking and
tackling completed the Buckeyes drill
yesterday and every player was in good
shape except Leo Raskowski, veteran
tackle, and even he Is expected to get
into the game If the going is tough.
President John Grier Hibben of
Princeton and President George w.
Rightmire of Ohio State will watch the
game. which will clarity somewhat the
national team championship race.
Chicagos chance to defeat Pennsyl-
vania became darker yesterday when
Glenn Haywood, fullback, injured his
ankle. Forty-two Penn players made
the trip to Chicago, but they we're un-
easy about the game, having expert
enced trouble with Stages cripples be-
fore.
Minnesota's crippled "Bonecrushers"
invaded Northwestern and a hard fight
was anticipated. Broncko Nagurski,
Minnesota 1ullback and Duke Johnson
tackle, made the trip, but were not ex-
pected to get into the game. North
western also was slightly crippled with
Hank Bruder, sophomore halfback, de-
finitely lost for the game because of
bad leg.
Evening star., 1928-11-02
Should Stage Thriller Wolverines Seek gainstn

ter, has run the team well when given
the responsibility, which is double one
at Ohio State, as there is no captain OF
the team The quarterback usually is
designated as the acting captain.
Although Ohio State will be decided
favorite several factors enter to make
the contest difficult to forecast. Prince
ton is known to have team which has
not reached its peak, and If it should
suddenly scale the heights tomorrow the
Buckeyes will have their hands full.
Tigers Inspired by Signs.
Coach Bill Roper will send his men
into the game inspired by mysterious
signs plaStered over the Princeton field
at the last practice session, reading 100
per cent" or plain "100." The Prince
ton coach is a student of psychology
and often sends his message to his team
in crisis through the medium of a
sign.
Roper, too, is in a position to shoot
the works" in this game. His next
scheduled contest is with Washington
and Lee, team far weaker than an
army of Generals able to tie the Tiger
two years ago. and fear of weakening
later lineup tomorrow will not deter
him.
Evening star., 1928-11-02

No team ever perfected the three
men-out formation to a higher
point of perfection than did West
Virginia. For a month its coaches
battled back and forth with it until
certain definite conclusions we're
reached. The result was a tremen-
dous victory over Princeton. Wash
ington and jefferson then took hold
of it with a light team, and in 1916
scored twice Gil Yale's championship
eleven. Since then among the other
users of this formation have been
Princeton, Union, South Carolina,
Virginia, Wake Forest, Missouri and
innumerable school elevens.
AS the formation is still in use
and will be for some years. let us
here explain the little point about
it that caused it to work SO well.
even when defensive teams changed
their set of backs to stop it. as Yale
did in 1916. The key to its SUCCESS
is the positions of M. /, , and 6,
the three -men-out No. was on
the Scrlmmage l'ne. NO. was back
of it 2 yards on one side of No. /.
No. 2 was back of 1t yards on
the other side Of No. J..
Thus, when all three of these men
ran down the lield 10 yards, where
No. l stopped and turned, No. 6
would pass close by him and run
to the right. Just as No. 6 passed
No. /, with a defensive back follow
ing him, No. would cut in and
pass No. !. That prevented the
defensive back covering No. from
following him, ss either No. l or No.
6 or the defensive backs covering
them would legally block him out
of the play. The ensuing pass. No.
4 to No 2, worked for two touch
downs versus Yale AMI hundreds Of
others these past 10 years.
Evening star., 1928-11-02
BASE BALL LEADERS
MEET IN ALEXANDRIA

ALEXANDRIA, Va, November a.
Managers of the Alexandria Postoff1ce,
Methodist Protestant Church, Alexan-
dria Light Infantry, Virginia Public
Service Co. and Alexandria Police base
ball teams are requested to meet with
officials of the Alexandria Commercial
League tonight at o'clock, at the
Alexandria Gazette Office for the settle
ment of an important matter.
Lester Scott has been elected captain
of the George Mason High School
basket ball team. Robert Gary is man
ager.
Virginia Juniors will play the Hertz
A. C. of Washington Sunday on the
Shipyard Field at 1 o'clock in game
preliminary to the Virginia-Northern
unlimited clash.
A benefit performance given by six
Pueblo Indians from New Mexico for
the George Mason High School Ath-
letic Association was attended by more
than 700 people yesterday
Episcopal High School makes It's
second trip of the season tomorrow
The Maroon and Black gridders are
down for game at Baltimore with
Gilman Country School.
Evening star., 1928-11-02
SHANNON HEADS
COLUMBIA CLUB
Other officers Are Chosen
and Initiation Fee Is
Given Boost.

Herbert r. Shannon, we'll known
golfer and former tennis star, for several
years a vice president of the club. was
elevated to the presidency of the Colum-
bia Country Club last night at the an
nual election. He succeeds John c.
Walker.
CLYDE B. Asher was elected vice pres
ident and the treasurer and secreary,
John Poole and Arthur B. Shelton, were
reelected. Members of the board chosen
for three-year terms are g. H. Chasmar,
Clifford X. Bergman, George P. James,
John G. Walker and Roger Whiteford.
The initiation fee was raised from $500
to $500, 1t being explained that the club
has a lengthy waiting list.
The retiring president was presented
with a gold watch, chain and pencil.
The unusually heavy play at Columbia
was evidenced by the report of Walker,
who said that 24,051 players had teed of
from the first tee during the year ended
September 80 last.
George s. Pope, head of the Govern
ment fuel yard, Is today the holder OF
the Scott Turner Trophy, won in the
handicap match play tourney of the Bu-
reau Of Mines, which was concluded
yesterday. Pope defeated Thomas A.
Keleher, IT,, in the final round of the
Turner Trophy event. G. P. White won
the trophy presented by himself for the
consolation flight, defeating w. F.
Whelan in the final. The matches were
played at several courses about WASH
ington during october, the final for
the Turner Trophy having been held at
Burning Tree and for the White
Trophy at Beaver Dam.
A preliminary handicap medal play
tourney was held September "a at the
Manor Club, in which j. A. Cox had low
gross with 16o and Pope had low net
with 154 The Wright Trophy for low
net was won by Pope in this event.
Winifred Faunce, star golfer of the
Manor Club, is playing Mrs. H. B.
Hird in the final round for the wom-
ems club championship today at Manor
Mrs Hird is the present title holder.
Results of yesterdays matches follow:
First fisht--Miss Faunce defeated Mrs. j.
w. Cramer, 5 and 3; Mrs. H. B. Hird de-
feated Mrs: Phelps Gygax, 8 and /.
Second hlght-Mrs. D. N. BurnhaI1 defeat
ed Mrs .Is.sd p G. HnrtiE a1. and ,t9 3 Mrs D.
Third fight-Mrs: E. NJ Mcclellan drew
a bye; Mrs, p. Freeman defeated Mrs. J.
HaSley by default
Evening star., 1928-11-02
UNBEATEN SANDLOT
ELEvENS TO CLASH

Title quests Of independent unlimited
and l50-pound foot ball teams will be
endangered Sunday. At least one of
the four undefeated unlimited teams
will suffer loss unless the Mohawk-St.
Mary's Celtic contest ends in dead
lock. Neither of these teams have been
defeated to date.
Apaches are favorites to keep their
record unmarried In opposing Reina
Mercedes at Union League Park Coach
Supplee will put his Little Indian play
ers through light signal drill tonight
before meeting the team which Palace
A. C. drubbed last week, 2S to O.
Northerns hope to chalk up their
first win of the season over Virginia
A. c. The latter team has sustained
but one setback to date.
Records of the leading independent
teams to date follow: .t A..
Evening star., 1928-11-02
SH0TTER, H0YA ATHLETE,
DISMISSED AFTER ROW

AS the result Of an argument with
another Hoya athlete during the inter-
class track meet yesterday at George
town University, Bert Shotter, crack
quarter miller and relay man of the
Blue and Gray, was expelled from the
track squad.
Shotter was ordered to leave the
field and turn in his uniform perma-
nently when, after he had run a los
ing race, he accosted his teammate
whom he claimed pushed him during
the contest. Shotter, a junior, is said
to have threatened to settle the mat
ter pugilistically.
Evening star., 1928-11-02
MICHIGAN HOPEFUL
{. OF UPSETT|NG DOPE
Badgers Strengthened to Re-
pulse AIabama-Penn Is
Choice Over Chicago.
BY PAUL r.. NICHOLSON,
Associated Press Sports Writer.

~ ~HICAGO, November 2.--Win or
lose, Michigan backs its foot
ball team.
~ Although the Wolverines
have lost four straight games
the worst foot ball record in Michigan'S
history-more than $4,000 spectators
will watch their attempted comeback
tomorrow when they clash with Illinois
at Ann Arbor.
Hope for such q comeback was at a
high pitch both among the students, the
team and the coaches today. Michigan's
showing against Wisconsin last week,
when they held the Badgers until the
last two minutes of play, and Illinois
difficulty in turning back Northwestern
started it all, and interest probably was
keener than ever before.
Coach Zuppke sensed the optimism
and determination, taking with him al
most every available man he could rely
on TO make yardage and open hole
through the rapidly improving Michi-
gan line.
Zuppke Respects Michigan.
at is going to be big fight" zuppke
said as he left Champaign last night.
1--WE will be forced to the limit. Don't
let any one fool you. Michigan has a
trice better team than It had two weeks
ago"
The Michigan team, too, was in its
best shape of the season, with only Del
Whittle, halfback flash, out of the line
up because of injuries. The line was
expected to be strengthened with the
return of Bovard, veteran center.
Powerful representatives of Eastern
and Southern gridirons, Princeton,
Pennsylvania and Alabama, invaded
Big Ten territory today ready to pro-
vide the Western Conference with the
brightest lntersectional program of its
history tomorrow. Undefeated, but far
from overconfldent, Princeton's Orange
and Black machine invaded Ohio State,
Alabama was at Wisconsin and Penn
sylvania limbered up at Chicago.
Upward of $4,000 will watch the duel
between the Buckeyes and Princeton
tomorrow, while approximately 10000
are expected to attend the Wisconsin
Alabama and Chicago-Pennsylvania
battles.
Wisconsin was strengthened yesterday
by the return of Gene Rose, star half
back, who, with Joe Kresky a guard,
was suspended after the Purdue game
for violation of training rules. Kresky
Evening star., 1928-11-02
STUART AND JEFFERSON
TEAMS WIN AT SOCCER

Hardbaek, center forward for the
Stuart Junior High School soccer team,
scored both of his teams goals as 1t de-
feated Columbia, 2 to 0, yesterday in
the junior high school championship
series. Jefferson took l-to-0 decision
from Hine in another title match yes
terday.
Evening star., 1928-11-02
sANDow GETS DIVORCE.

KANSAS CITY, November 2 R.---
Billy Sandow, manager of Stranger
Lewis, world heavyweight wrestling
champion, was granted a divorce from
Mrs. Ethelyn Sandow yesterday. San
dow alleged his wife had shown such
disreSpect for him before his friends
that his health had failed and was una
bic to sleep. He was awarded custody
of their only child, an 8-year-old son.
Evening star., 1928-11-02
MILLER MEETS TENARI0
IN MEMORIAL RING SHOW

DETROIT, November 2 P).-Ray
Miller, Chicago lightweight, and Lope
Tenario meet here tonight in sched-
uled l0-round bout, headlining the Kid
Lavigne Memorial boxing show.
The proceeds of the show are to be
used for erecting q monument over
the unmarked grave In a Saginaw
cemetery OF Lavigne, former light
weight champion, who died here several
months ago.
The remainder will be turned over
to the widow, who is said to be finan-
cially distressed.
Evening star., 1928-11-02

GAMES SUNDAY.
Apaches VS.. Reina MERCEDES.
Mohawks VS.. St. Mary's Csltics.
Palace A. C. VS.. Seaman GunnerS.
Northerns VS.. Virginia A C.
Southern A. G. VS.. Seat Pleasant Firemen.
Clarendon Lyons VS.. Quantico Marine Post
Johnny Holden would like to hear
from all Of his Brookland A. c. play
ers in regards to Sundays game with
Carlisles to be played in Anacostia.
Players are asked to call North 5632-J.
Clarendon Lyons will drill tonight at
z O'Clock and at 10 O'Clock Sunday
morning in preparation for their game
with Quantico Marine post team.
FusselI- Young Props have been un-
able to list foe for Sunday. Call West
1891 between and Z o'clock
A game for Saturday morning Is
sought by Twin Oaks 110-pounders.
Call Cleveland $500.
Evening star., 1928-11-02

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Push Drill. with 3 drills. 80
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Evening star., 1928-11-02

n YEw YORK, November 2.-The
Princeton foot ball team is as
sured of warm reception from
Ohio State at Columbus to-
r,,nrrnut The welcome NAV be
Evening star., 1928-11-02
WILMER MAY PLAY.

CHICAGO, November 2.-Morty VIII
ner, former Washington Central High
School athletic star, Is expected to start
at quarterback for University of Penn
sylvania against Chicago in their foot
ball game here tomorrow.
The Wolf Point herald. (Wolf Point, Mont.) 1913-1940, 1928-10-05

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Continued next week.
The Wolf Point herald. (Wolf Point, Mont.) 1913-1940, 1928-10-05
A 3arurlailtatinn

Livestock production ranks as one OF
the greatest industries in this area OF the state.
By means of beef cattle, sheep, dairy cattle
and hogs the grasses which cover our
ranges and the feed crops which are assuming
ever increasing Importance on our farms are
converted into cash. Livestock is the foun-
dation of a stable, prosperous, enduring agrl-
culture.
The livestock special train with its eNhi-
bits and demonstrations prepared by the
Montana Extension Service with the cooper
alton Of the Montana Wool Growers Asso-
citation and operated by the Great Northern
Railroad is a means of directing attention to
the Importance of livestock in the farming
systems here. It's chief objective is to bring
out by demonstrations, exhibits and discus
sions some of the essentials which make the
production of the different kinds of livestock,
efficient and profitable.
The train will be in Wolf Point, October
18th, and at that time farmers and stockmen
of this area will be the guests of the city. All
possible arrangements are being made to
make their visit here at that time pleasant and
profitable as possible.
In recognition of the Importance of this
occasion, as mayor of the city of Wolf Point,
| hereby extend an official welcome to far
mers and stockmen in this region of Montana
and urge that every individual and ~organiza-
ton in this city lend their hearty support and
cooperation to this enterprise.
Signed: O. T. STENNES,
Mayor.
The Wolf Point herald. (Wolf Point, Mont.) 1913-1940, 1928-10-05
GOOD WHEAT AT OPHEiM
(Opheim Observer)

One of the best yields which
has come to the attention Of the
Observer this year is that Of Mel
vim Honrud, who lives nine miles
south of Opheim. Mr.. Honrud
stated that his $40 acres Of wheat
averaged SO bushels to the acre,
and that a field of 100 acres of
laid-over breaking yielded 46 bush
els per acre.
The Wolf Point herald. (Wolf Point, Mont.) 1913-1940, 1928-10-05

Now is the time to put in your
coal for the winter. When hand
ling grain load out your coal. I
carry nothing but the best-Bear
Creek lump and egg, Owl Creek
and Wyoming Lump coal. See
Stones Transfer G. Fuel for
prices. Stiff
The Bismarck tribune. [volume] (Bismarck, N.D.) 1916-current, 1928-09-14
u. G.. T. Ladies Meet
at Party Wednesday

Bridge was played at three tables
Wednesday evening when the U. C.
I. ladies were entertained at the
home of Mrs. Leo DeRochford.
Mrs. Frank Ellsworth and Mrs.
Lee Bankston won honors in the eve
ning's games.
Mrs. T. f. Flaherty was chairman
OF the arrangements committee for
the party. She was assisted by Mrs.
DeRochford and Mrs. J. H. Healow.
Rev. Sylvester Harter of College,
vile, Mimi, spent a few days in
Bismarck this week as guest of Mr..
and Mrs. Edward L. Bannon. Rev.
Harter, who is a cousin Of Mr.. Ban
non, is member of the faculty of
st. Johns university, Collegeville.
Miss Edith Whittemore. DAUGHTER
Of DR.. and Mrs. A. A. Whittemore,
left today for the University Of
North Dakota, Grand Forks, Marian
and Arthur Whittemorc will 20 to
jamestown Sunday to resume their
studies at jamestown college.
Miss Lydia Bertsch, daughter Of
Mr.. and Mrs. Chris Bertsch, left to-
day to resume her studies at the
University of North Dakota.
Mr.. and Mrs. w. P. Knott and
Mr.. and Mrs. Joe Patera will return
this weekend from a motor trip to
Winnipeg.
Miss Mildred Eyer has returned
from 10 days vacation trip to the
Twin Cities and Faribault, Mimi.
4
Mrs. Bert Lippold of Valley City
is visiting here as guest Of her sis
ter, Mrs. A. L. Overbee.
The Bismarck tribune. [volume] (Bismarck, N.D.) 1916-current, 1928-09-14
Small Percentage
Travel in Planes

Estimate thatonly 5 per cent Of
the American business men make use
of airplane passenger traffic is
made BY some air traffic author
tiles, according to C. A. L. "Cal''
Anderson, auditor fors the Interna-
tional Anyways Company, Inc, al
Minot.
Cal was in Bismarck yesterday
attending the hearing concerning air
traffic and schedules in North Da-
kota which was held by the state
railroad commission.
Whether the estimate is correct
or not, Cal said he did know, as he
has made little study of the matter.
He said that professional men and
travelling men, whose time is valu-
able, make use of the air service Of
fcred to greater extent than any
other class.
Minot is enthusiastic about flying.
in spite of the accident which
brought two deaths early in the sum-
mer. Most pilots are busy "hopping, /"
though the novelty of short trips is
wearing off now. Not many passen-
gers have been accustomed to the
long trips.
Cal said he learned at the hearing