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to Elias.
One by one. the consul general.
half brother of President Gales. leafed
through the collection of Hearst docu-
ments, declaring again and again that
they were not on the kind of paper
used by the Mexican government.
that he never had seen them before.
and that in running down kilograms
and money transactions covered in
the file. the committee was at liberty
to go into the records of the telegraph
companies and banks with which he
had business.
There is not word Of truth in
any of them he said. ''They are
forgeries. None were taken from my
office"
Nor had he ever received any money
from his government, he said. for
propaganda in the United States.
Lecturer Is Paid.
Replying to inquiries from Senator
Johnson OF California when the night
session started. Elias said he did not
know what the ARGOS, Ltd, the Soviet
trade organization i'm London, Is. lie
also testified that he knew nothing
about the documents relating to
Nicaragua and Japan.
Elias said he had been paying 5000
q month to Jose Kelly, at the direction
of the Mexican department of COM
merce and industry, for lectures in the
interest Of Mexico.
is there any one besides Mr.. Kelly
to whom you pay money for proselyt-
ing and propagandizing? Senator
Johnson asked.
1--WE pay Mr. Kelly $500 a month.
and Mr.. Haberman $500 a month, p"
Elias replied. II don't know what
they are paid for. l am merely the
fiscal agent of the government in this
transaction. Haberman is in New
York and Kelly here in Washington. !"
The consul general denied that he
had received any message from Min
lister of Foreign Affairs Estrada Mt
Mexico City, asking for n report on
the antecedents Of Amha Ssador Nor
row and particularly whether he had
any relations with petroleum com
panies.
Scouts Signatures.
Asked whether the signatures on
several documents bearing the name
of President Gales, his half-brother,
were authentic. Elias said:
"Thev look like his signature, but
L not tllIlh LicN dics tttt
FINALLY he denied that the letter
heads of the papers We're those Of the
President Of Mexico. Once after he
had declared the signature V.s not
that of President Gales, Chairman
Reed remarked:
You haven't even looked at the
signature yet"
Elias then pointed to the signature
and reiterated his denial.
"Why do you say these are not the
signatures of your BROTHER asked
Senator Bruce. Democrat, Maryland.
'"rhey do not look the same" Elias
replied. "They are not heavy enough"
Pressed by Senator Johnson, the
consul general said he did not want
to testify positively whether any of
the signatures shown him were those
Of his half-brother.
"Then you would rather not say"
Johnson inquired.
NO, l am not sure.
Clark Takes Stand.
Edward II. Clark of San Francisco.
manager of the Hearst estate. follow
ed ELIAS. Mr.. Hearst had testified that
Mr.. Clark was among the first TO re-
ceive the documents.
Clark told the committee he had
been informed by an American bust
ness man living in Mexico that there
were documents available In Mexico
City of vital interest. lie withheld
his informant's name, but said he had
pa ssed the word on to Mr.. Hearst and
informed the man in Mexico later that
Hearst was interested in the docu
ments.
Later, he said, he authorized the ma n
| to get the documents.
II certainly trust him." Clark said
II have known him for years"
The papers were turned over to
Hearst, Clark said. adding:
II told Mr.. Hearst / thought the
letters genuine, but / did not think
the money went to the Senators.
"Mr. Hearst suggested / take them
to President Coolidge in South Dakota.
- What happened there?" Reed asked.
Calls on President.
Clark hesitated, but members of the
committee said they saw no harm in
his speaking.
II feel very sure President Coolidge
would not want you to conceal any.
thing" Reed said.
| by appointment called on Presi-