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The Coconino sun., 1927-10-14

The negotiations took several hours
and resulted in adoption of the form
of proposition to be made by the su-
pervisors, in special meeting next
Monday, by letter to the u. S. secre-
tary of the interior.
Congressman Lewis c. Cramton of
Michigan, chairman of the house sub
committee handling all national parks
appropriations, and Congressman Bur
ton French of Idaho, member same
committee, while following Mr.. Cram
tons policy Of making no definite
promises for that committee, ex-
pressed hope that the program pro-
posed may go through.
AS Mr.. Cramton put it: Il am al
ways short on promises. | can only
tell you what l will try to accomplish;
but cannot tell you what congress
will do. Personally I am much more
interested in. seeing a good approach
road to Grand Canyon than in the
government acquiring title to the trail,
much more to the development OF
Grand Canyon national park, making
it easily accessible to and more popu-
lar with the people of the whole
United States; and also because the
trail in its present condition causes
much unfavorable comment.
"But," Mr.. Cramton continued, Il
believe 100000 or more will be ap-
propriated by February | next for be-
ginning building of the approach
road" Several times Mr.. Cramton
named the minimum amount of the
first appropriation, 100000, and en-
phasized the word more in connection
with that amount. IF all things
work together-if the forest service
will cooperate to some extent and
other factors we are considering Co
operate" he said, "then the entire
program will go through"
In speaking Of the probable
time it would take to complete
the road, Mr.. Cramton said: Il
believe in completing work as
rapidly as is consistent with
economy. II would not be econ
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College Plays ella
Monsters Tomorrow

Flagstaff Teachers college football
eleven will leave today for Thatcher
to meet the Gila Monsters of Gila
Junior college in what promises to be
hard battle. Gila, stinging from the
1910 defeat received on the Flagstaff
gridiron last season, will throw every
thing at the Lumberjacks in an effort
to get revenge on the northern boys.
Flagstaff received quite an upset
here last week when Junior college of
Phoenix held them to scoreless tie
but are determined to make amends
to their hackers by running up score
on Gila. 1t is a pretty hard PROPOSE
tion to dope out the results of the
coming game but Flagstaff is little
favored to come out on top. Gila, with
a slightly stronger lineup than last
year may make Flagstaff work hard
to win and unless Flagstaff shows
better than last week Gila is liable
to run up a score on them.
Coach Lavik has been putting in ex-
ira time with his team the past week
to get more coordination and elimin-
ate their weak points and is now con-
fident that a better showing will be
made in the second grid meet for the
Lumberjacks. Nineteen men will
make the trip to Gila, and among this
number will be found all the best ma
terial that Lavill has. Easley, Glib
bons, Detloff, Chiono, j. Allen, G. AL
len, L. Pace, Stevens, Wilson, Caffey,
Zaner, Way, Clarke, Hoffman, Black,
Holt, Shumway, Thomas and A. Brim-
hall will make the trip.
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COLLEGE HOMECOMING
OCTOBER 22 WILL BE
CHUCK FULL OF GINGER

Alumni from all over Arizona will
gather here Saturday, October % for
the fourth annual Homecoming at
Flagstaff Teachers college for which
a big time is being planned by the
committee in charge.
Practically all Of Flagstaff will be
included in some form or other in the
celebration. Faculty members and
students will work in conjunction with
people of the city in combined stunt
parade in the morning, featured by
make-ups and floats of all descrip-
tions
Following the parade, alumni of the
college will get together at the regu-
lar alumni round table at which open
discussions will be held on all ques-
tions of Importance to that body.
In the afternoon comes one of the
biggest and most attractive events on
Flagstaff will meet Tempe Teachers
college on the gridiron. This game
promises to be one of the best on the
lOCdl SCllCQulS anu OIlC VI OlAC ilcl 0CoS
of the season for the local boys.
Tempe has one of the best line-ups in
its history and will make Flagstaff
work to win.
Open house is another feature in
augurated last year and found attrac-
tive. Dormitory open house this year
will be considerably more ambitious
than last year and will give everyone
opportunity to inspect all dormitory
rooms and facilities of the college.
Matrons will be in charge of open
house and will explain just how the
student subsists without the care of
mother and father.
At seven p. m. alumni, faculty mem
bers and students will banquet at col
lege dining hall. Notable speakers
have been secured and all alumni will
be given opportunity to take part in
the comprehensive program.
Following that the alumni ball will
be held in. the auditorium.
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omy to carry overhead charges on
this construction for six or seven
years. Probably it would be most
economical to complete the road
in three years"
Senator Carl Hayden of Ari-
zona, who accompanied the commit
tee to Grand Canyon and who after
conference with members of the board
of supervisors and representatives of
Flagstaff and Williams chambers of
commerce drafted the proposed pro-
posal to be made by the supervisors
to the secretary of the interior, and
who has been of tremendous help all
the way through in connection with
the project, said after the conference
with Messrs. Cramton and French
that he is confident that the first ap-
preparation will be for twice or three
times S1O0,000-that he doesn't see
how it can be otherwise.
The proposition provides that I'M
mediately the government decides to
take over and receives title to the
trail-if the deal is made-probably
early next spring-the government
will from that time on assume all cost
of maintenance of the approach road
to Grand Canyon, relieving this county
of burden of from SIS, 900 to $4,000
year on maintenance of the APP
proach roads.
The proposition to be made by the
supervisors embodies:
A statement by the board of desire
to cooperate with the national park
service in bringing about complete
development of the park SO that it
may be made accessible to the people
of the United States;
Citing the act Of June 5, 1924 which
authorized the secretary of the in
terror to build an approach road;
The fact that in the past this coun-
ty, 86 per cent Of which is federally
owned and thus is not productive of
taxes to the county, has borne the
burden of building and maintaining
approach roads to the park;
That these approach roads have not
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SPIRIT OF DOING THINGS
THE THEME AT ROTARY

John @. Thomas had an interesting
program at Tuesdays Rotary meet
ing, the theme around which it was
built being the spirit of doing things.
President A. j. Mackey called the
meeting to order and at his request
Joe Tissaw urged the members to use
their opportunities to get better ac-
quainted with each other and thus in
crease their usefulness as Rotarians.
When Mr. Thomas, as chairman for
the day, received the gavel he intro
duced Miss Dorothy Jane Barber, who,
with Miss Elsa Myers at the piano,
sang a Spanish love song. Miss Bar
Der is the new music instructor for the
city schools and this, her first song
at Rotary, was enthusiastically APP
plauded Later she ana Miss Michaela
Carpenter sang a duet, with Miss My
ers accompanying, and it also went
over big.
President Tex gave an interesting
inspirational account of the recent con-
ference of presidents and secretaries
at Miami, which he and Secretary
Tom Mccullough attended.
w. w. Tinsley of the history de-
partment at Flagstaff Teachers col
lege told the reasons behind Colum-
bus voyage of discovery to America,
tracing the connection between econ
omic conditions then and now and ar
rayed lot of interesting facts that
most of his hearers hadn't been aware
of until then
Miss Ann jake read the inspiring
Columbus poem, "Sail On"
Chairman Thomas read Initiative" ;"
by Ebert Hubbard
Earl c. Slipher told of the progress
of aviation and its tremendous strides
in the last few years, touching upon
the influence it is bound to have upon
commercial and other life. Mr. Sliph-
er showed a lot Of study and knowl-
edge of his subject.
Visiting Rotarians: Bruce Miles of
Phoenix and Bert Myers of Glendale.
Guests: Miss Carpenter, Miss Barber,
Miss Myers, Miss Jake, Mr.. Tinsley,
Fred Browning, DR.. O. H. Cady Of
Teachers college, r. E. Nelson of the
Arizona Grocery company Orinn
Compton, 'Howdy" Jackson.
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WRIGHT BACK FROM
't66" PAVING MEETING

Major j. B. Wright, county engi-
neer, returned Tuesday night from
albuquerque, where on Monday he at
tended the big meeting of the "66"
Highway association, at which he re-
ports there were 300 delegates, many
from California and Chicago. Plans
were formed for promoting compile
ton of paving at an early date of the
now unpaved portions Of the National
Old Trails highway from Chicago,
through Flagstaff, to Los Angeles.
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NEW HARVEY GARAGE
FOR GRAND CANYON

Among the improvement plans laid
out by the Fred Harvey system for
Grand Canyon is a new garage, work
on which is scheduled to begin soon.
1t will be 800 feet long and 65 feet
wide, of stone, and will be short dis
tarice west of the present Harvey
GARAGE
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Flagstaff Gets u. S.
Cold Record Tuesday

Flagstaff, with temperature of 26
degrees Tuesday morning was the sec
ond coldest spot in the United States,
according to reports to the United
States weather bureau. Winnemucca,
New, with a temperature of "a de-
grees, was coldest in North America.
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d. A. Gilchrist and Floyd Belts of
the National Live Stock association
had a very successful hunting trip
last week when they returned from
Springerville with their allotment Of
two turkeys each. Mr. Gilchrist said
the turkeys were plentiful in the
Springerville district and that they
could be shot without leaving the car
if ono cared for that kind Of sport
The Coconino sun., 1927-10-14
TOMMY DENT VERY SICK

Tom Dent who took sick Saturday
night yesterday was removed to
Mercy hospital. His wife and mother
will be here today from California.
The Coconino sun., 1927-10-14

Mr.. and Mrs. Robert Chambers and
three children, who spent part of the
fall months here visiting Mrs. Cham
bers' parents, Mr.. and Mrs. 7. A.
Riordan, left last week for their home
in Los Angeles.
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Supervisors Will Ask Uncle Sam
For $l,5OO,OOO Approach Road To
Grand Canyon In Trade For Trail

Preliminary arrangements made at Grand Canyon
Monday between congressional b-commtee
praons board of supervisors of this county for the
exchange the counys Bright Angel trail into the Canyon
100000 approach road from the National Old Trails
highway o the CANYON.
The Coconino sun., 1927-10-14

Mrs. Walter Chambers arrived last
week from Los Angeles to visit two
weeks with her parents, Mr.. and Mrs.
NJ. J. Riordan.
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STOPS. SLIPPING OFF
Easy Money Rates Feature of Day-Carrier Stocks Turn
Heavy-Premier Motor Climbs to New Level.

The feature of the day was the
ease in money rates. Banks made
large Withdrawals and the March Is
financing, interest payments and tax
payments doomed up, but the call
rate held steady at 4 per cent with
the tone of the money market easy.
This gave further stimulus to per.
sons working on the constructive
side and also helped buoy up prices.
Irregularity developed throughout
the list with issues here and there
making sharp breaks. Railroad
shares turned heavy as Atchison
failed to rally from its decline OF
last Saturday. Gulf. Mobile &
Northern also sold down as did Nor.
folk & Southern and several other
carrier shares. Some OF the in
dustials were under pressure, nota.
bly, American Wooden. Liquid Car
bonic and International Silver.
Pacemaker
However, these losses were in the
minority. General Motors set the
pace and other motors followed. The
leader ranged between 1752s and
170%, closing at 175K. up as for
the day. u. S. Steel moved narrow.
ly, closing with a slight gain. Mack
Truck reached a new peak while
Hudson gained 17s and Packard 2
points. Texas Gulf Sulphur, Mathei-
son Alkali, National Lead and Lam.
bert made remarkable gains.
Buying of General Motors was
based on the outlook for an increase
in sales for the company in Febru-
airy. Preliminary estimates placed
the sales for the second month at
about so per cent gain. The com.
pany is said to be averaging about
100000 a day net. Earnings for
the first quarter will total $45,Oo0,-
900, 1t is estimated.
FOreigns Show Well
Business on the bond market was
duller, with foreign loans making
the best showing. Some of the rail
issues turned lower while industrials
were irregular in a small range.
United States Government issues
were quiet. This Is natural, mas.
much as the yields on all issues are
cut down to a minimum. At the
close Monday the ticker printed
yields on Liberty and Treasury IS
sues as follows: LBS, 3.15 per cent;
first AIS. 1926; second AIS, 3.21;
third Ans. 1886; fourth ANS. 3.55;
treasury AIS. 1892; treasury as,
S.S6; treasury, 3%s. S.32.
Dealings on the curb were fairly
active and prices continued irregu-
lar through the day. Cotton and
wheat sold lower. In foreign ex-
change prices made good gains in
most issues. Sterling was up sharp
ly while Ira reached the best price
of the year and pesetas the highest
since 1920.
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Calves Only Livestock Not
Having Reduced
Prices.
Hog Price Range---

Hog prices at the Indianapolis
Union Stockyards today were the
lowest in more than a week. Early
sales were to Is cents lower on the
hundredweight, the market becoming
mostly 10 cents off as trade pro-
crossed.
The bulk Of the business was done
at $11.75@12.15, some light material
going at $12.25. At Chicago the
early top was the same, but there
were indications it might go above
$12.25 at that market. The local live
stock exchange received 5000 pork
ers; 40 meat animals remained from
Monday.
Hog Price Range
Some light material was selling at
1920 and $12.25, but most of the
160-225-pound pork went at $12@
12.15. Other quotations were: 225-
$50 pounds, $11.75@12; 250-SO0
pounds, $11.5O@11.SO; 300 pounds up,
$11.5O and downward. Beginning
two weeks ago Monday packing
sows and pigs have sold steadily at
$10@10.75 and $12 down, respec-
lively.
The cattle market was weak to
25 cents lower. Receipts estimated
1900. Beef steers sold at $S.50@10.50;
beef COWS, $5.5O@7.5O; low cutters
and cutter cows, $3.75@5.25. and
bulk stock and feeder steers, $6.75@S.
Veal Unchanged
The calf market was generally
steady, the bulk bringing S14.5O and
downward. Best vealers were worth
SIS. The run counted LOO.
Two hundred sheep and lambs
were too small a number to salts
factorify test market conditions, but
due to the plain quality of the ma
terial the market dropped so cents.
Some native lambs sold at $13@14.
Top fat lambs were quotable at SIS.
bulk fat lambs, $12.50@14.50, and
bulk Gull lambs. $S@12.
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ICE BOX DUET SHOT UP

Detective Chief Claude NJ. Worley
has asked Louisville, KY, police to
send him photos and records of two
wounded 'ice box bandits" confined
to a Louisville hospital after a gun
battle with police of that city.
One of the pair, both Negroes,
gave his name as Joe Henderson, "a,
indianapolis, while the other, Adrian
Patterson, 80, said he was native
of Louisville.
Their method. police say, was TO
lock grocery and meat market en-
ployes in refrigerators while they
rifled cash drawers. Worley believes
the pair may be the before break
fast" bandit, who staged more than
twenty hold-ups here.
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WHEAT TRADERS
ANTICIPATE DROP
Prices Off at 0pening-De-
cline May Continue.


CHICAGO, March 10. - Unless
something unexpected occurs to in
crease speculative interest in the
trade, a majority Of wheat operators
are of the belief that lower prices
will be made before there will be
any important upturn.
Opening quotations were Il to &c
lower than yesterdays close on the
Chicago Board Of Trade today. The
slow cash demand together with
lower Liverpool cables and the ex-
cellent outlook for the new crop
being the main bearish influences.
Local sentiment in corn remains
bearish with the slow cash demand
attracting considerable attention.
Prices opened u to &c lower than
the previous close.
The oats market Is suffering
primarily from lack Of outside
participation, with some new incen-
tive needed If values are to advance.
Prices opened unchanged to &c low
er than Mondays close.
Provisions opened steady.
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By Elmer c. Waller.

Manager United Press Financial Service
NEW YORK, March 15.-Only the
strong leadership Of General Motors
kept the stock market from sliding
down to low levels in Mondays trad
ing on the New York Stock EX-
change. The Premier Motor stock,
whose earning power far eclipses
United States Steel, shot up to a new
high for the present stock and took
with it several other motor issues,
preventing a setback in the general
group of industrials and balancing
selling movements launched for the
purpose of bringing a reaction.
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Commission Row
PRICES I'd RETAILERS
ERITITS

Apges er@ss AgsRSsss 5 #9esasss
sstaIymens. $s;;75: Delicious, So 80 q $.75.
Ian s 1 sssnns cherry Red E Bssd
Davis, $40. Virginia Winesaps, SIS: De-
York Baldwins. S4G4.25: York fi9 mpser iiG@
s.. Fancy barrels-Indiana Jonathans
g: INDIANA p lana; staygmge1s: sSS75; Winssaps
S5:75 az; New York BaidW f De$ $S'So
s Sts5onat @ns:,n s175 Grimes
sI.75; Baking. e 81 80: Wagners. ST .s5
New York Greetings, 81 80; New York
kq BanaSas 5q 9ob andp p4e s - b.
- ranberries-Jersey Howes,- half Dbl.
Grapefruit-Extra fancy. s4.50@5,
Ter Lemons@CaIiforni s4.25@5.
Oranges-7Florida $4.50@4I5:.- cslifor-
fancy fan s4.s5 a 5.95. i"HeS' 0f''0~o'-0
Observation-Disclosures. SOC at.
SEA FOODS
Oysters-Gal.. $40 @2.75.
VEGETABLES
Artichokes-California 81 so. doz.
ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS. ST bunch.
Beans-Florida green, So hamper.
Brussels Sprouts-Fancy California. 3oc
pound.
Cauliflower--Crate, S275.
Celery-Florida, 4 6-doz. crate. $3.50
go 10-doz. crate4 So: Mammoth twashed) :.
81 doz.
eesIsHS SasoafsRSH s$ sas dozen
En6divewLoui Hiinn So b bbl. w.
Garlic-California 121se ID.
f kaleyrfEnis Bro Srt sfs3 bb hot
Mangoes-Florida peppers. $3.50 crate;
MgsRrooms- Pennsylvania s1.5o@1.75
for 3-lb. basket.
Spanish crit, 81 IS: Indiana white So 49,
Onion Sets-Red and yellow. = bu., So .
white, 2 bu., $3.50: Texas Bermuda plants.
PsrseyE fP G. SOC D per bSanseh: south
Peas-Mexicar telephone. Sc crate.
Potatoes-Michigan whites. 100 lbs.
SsS5 Rrsset b,6 burbans b 100 es dabo
Russets 100 lbs. 1915; Idaho bakers. 60
70s, $4: New Texas triumphs. 81 hamper.
Seed potatoes-Maipe cobblers. $50 lbs.
$3.50; Red River Early Ohios. 100 lbs.
y Radishes-southern long reds. 500
Rhubarb-H. G. .65c.
Root yegetables-Turnips. bn. y !:
parsniips bu 81 carrots arr bu.c 81 Il 20
rutabagas, So cwt.: Fl. G. beets. .bu. 81 30:
Texas bects. S2.25 bun: Louisiana beets
90c dozen.
shallots-ILouisiana, 75c dozen.
Spinach-TeXas. S1.75.
bg-. Nancy Halls 81 50: Indiana mediums.
Tomatoes-six-baske rt.. $3.50 @6.5o.
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BAKING COMPANIES CHANGE
New Ward Board Chairman Choice
Implies Leaving Continental.


BIZ United Press
NEW york, March 15.-Com-
pete elimination of Ward Baking
interests in the Continental Baking
Corporation, the nucleus of the
S100, 100000 baking merger checked
a year ago by the Federal Trade
Commission, was seen today In the
appointment of a new chairman of
the board of directors to replace the
Ward choice.
At the same time the directors
voted to reduce the dividend of Con-
tinenetal from So to 81, just as Wall
Street had feared The dividend on
the preferred stock was maintained.
Still Dominant
The management of the company
was temporarily placed in the hands
of Elliott c. McDougal, Buffalo, who
replaced George S. Barber, said to
be Ward appointee.
Following governmental dissolu-
ton of the merger it was understood
that William B. Ward has sold his
Continental holdings, but since that
time his nominees have dominated
the affairs of the company.
Involves Seven Organizations
Seven baking concerns and eight
individuals had been connected with
the 100000 900 merger plan. The
baking concerns were the Ward
Food Products Corporation, Ward
Baking Corporation, Ward Baking
Company. General Baking Corpora
ton, Continental Baking Corpora
ton, General Baking Company and
Limited Bakeries Corporation.
Continental Baking A stock broke
On the, stock exchange today after
the reduction in the dividend rate
from So to 81. The stock, after reach
ing high at 56A, dropped to SIS, off
points from yesterdays close. Later
1t rallied to 551a
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Produce Markets

Butter wholesale price Creamery best
grade. a pound, So a Soc
Butterfat-Local dealers pay 81 q 55c
pound.
Eggs-Strictly fresh delivered at In.
dianapolis. 2OGn21c doz.
Poultry (buying prices) Hens. large
breed, 23c: Leghorns. 20@21c; roost-
ers and Leghorn stays, IA a 15c: shaggy
springs. 19M2oe; Leghorn springs. 15c:
ducks; II g 2Oc: .,geesse; 11@d2e;
SIC; old toms. 25c; guineas. 35c.
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SENATOR TAKES BRIDE

BU LnIted Pf6SS
COLD SPRINGS HARBOR, N. Y,
March 15.-Miss Rosalie Gardner
Jones, prominent feminist, today be-
came the bride of United States Sen
ator Clarence G. Dill of Washington.
They were married in the Episcopal
Church of st. John here with the
.recor, the Rev. Harry Barrett, of
floating.
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Gone, but Not Forgotten

Automobiles reported stolen to po-
lice belong to:
C. r. Haroer, Lafayette. Ind;
Buick, 433-333; from Lafayette, Ind.
Paul Christenberry, 16 n. Temple
Ave, Chevrolet, SS5-346; from Merid-
ian and Wilkins SITS.
w. II. Mayer, 4S w. Fall Creek
Blvd, Nash, 1852; from in front of
that address.
Hollis Daily, 322 e. Maryland st. !
Ford; from McCarty and Madison
Ave.
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BACK HOME AGAIN

Automobiles reported found by
police belong to:
Goodman & Wolfe, Terre Haute,
Ind; Chevrolet; found at Hope, Ind.
Ford coupe, no license plates;
found at Market and East SITS.
Len Zaiser, 2219 e. Garfield Dr.,
Ford; found at Walnut and Noble
SITS.
Bessie Sullivan, III w. walnut
ST., Ford; found at Franklin and Ma.
tional Rds.
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SUGAR USED INCREASES
Each Person in United States Con-
sumed 1898 Pounds Last Year.

BIZ Times Special
New York, March 15.-In 1926,
each person in the United States
consumed an average of 1O9.90
pounds of sugar apiece, according
to an analysis of worlds sugar sta
tistics issued by The Brookmire
Economic Service, Inc. Ten years
ago our average was 1888 pounds
per capita, but consumption has in
creased enormously, particularly
during the past five years, when it
has grown al the rate of 10 per cent
annually: In Europe and the Far
East also, there has been a large in
crease and it is estimated that
world consumption will soon reach
25,000,000 tons, an increase of nearly
100000 tons over any figures pre-
viously reported.
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Other Livestock

BIZ Times Special
LOUISVILLE. March 15.-Hogs = Re-
ceipts, 500; market steady; S12; Cattle
Receipts. 100: market steady. Calves-Re-
ceipts, 200; market steady: good to choice.
$1,000 q 1880: medium to good IS a 10 :
outs, So down. Sheep-Receipts, so;
market steady; top lambs, S12 @13; sec
onds, $10@11: sheep. scar.