Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1926-07-07
PRIMARY
WILL Open
. IN CHICAGO JULY e
Testimony on Pennsylvania
Ends After NORM Appears
in Answer to Order.
DENIES HE RECEIVED
PREVIOUS SUBPOENA
Insists Martin Was Confused"
When Telling Of Receiving
$4,000 FROM Him.
By the Associated Press.

$22, ,0O0 FROM Him.
By the Associated Press.
The Senate campaign funds commit.
tee virtually completed Its inquiry
into the Pennsylvania Republican
primary today by hearing Representa-
tive John NJ. NORM Of Pittsburgh test
fy that he had nothing to do with the
money end Of the campaign except too
transfer funds for William 8. vaTx
from one campaign worker to anotheA
At the same time 1t announced thai
its investigation of the Illinois pri.
mary would begin in Chicago on
July 26.
NORM Takes Stand.
Representative John M. NORM Of
Pennsylvania, chairman Of the House
military committee and western cam
paign manager for William s. Ware. In
his successful campaign for the Re
publican senatorial nomination. final
ly appeared today before the Senate
campaign funds committee and was
questioned about his part In the
three-cornered primary fight.
The Representative arrived during
the morning from Atlantic City in re-
sponse to telegraphic subpoena from
the sergeant at arms. Previously he
had failed to appear when directed to
do 30 by the committee itself.
He took the stand and was sworn
after the committee had delayed open
ing its session for an hour, awaiting
his arrival. He then told the com.
n1ittee that he never had received its
subpoena, and that he was not "dodg-
ing. He called attention that he had
been in the committee room on sew.
eral occasions without being called, he
said, and he had notified Chairman
Reed that he would appear whenever
called.
Was In House Saturday.
81 was in the House Friday and
Saturday answering roll calls" he
said. III had been trying to dodge
service ] would not have been there"
Norm wanted to make q statement
about his connection with the Ware
campaign. but Chairman King insist
ed on his answering questions. He
said he organized IL counties in west
ern Pennsylvania and acted a. sort
of assistant" to Harry a. Mackey,
Wares State campaign manager.
NORM, who Is chairman Of the
House military committee, was Wares
west State manager in the Iatter's
Pepper and Coy. Pinchot for the sen.
atorial nomination. He testified that
he had nothing to do with the
money" having collected no funds
and made no contributions, but under
questioning by Chairman King he
said he acted on transfers OF funds
among campaign officials and also
had custody of safe deposit box
containing campaign money at the
William Penn Hotel in Pittsburgh.
Put $4,000 in Box.
Into the safe deposit box. to which
he had sole access. he put $22 900,
he said, obtained from the treasurer
OF the Ware western campaign COM
mittee. and later took it out and
gave 1t to Edward r. Martin. secre.
tary Of the committee, to pay
watchers at the polls.
He also testified that two weeks be-
fore the primary he received $24, 500
in cash from Thomas F. Watson, the
Ware treasurer at Philadelphia, and
gave 1t to the men Watson told me
to-
Replying to questions by Senator
King, NORM said he had q bank &C.
count in April and May Of this year
at the Oakland Savings and Trust Co..
but had In it no money for campaign
purposes. He added that he did not
get any notes or 0 U's on account Of
the campaign.
Senator King said that Treasurer
Kenna Of the Ware Pittsburgh organ
ization had testified that there was
$40, 900 In that safety box in the VIII
liam Penn Hotel, but the witness re-
piled:
II think you are mistaken. There
was only one deposit. the $4,000
Kenna gave me.
II think made withdrawals I'VE or
six times. I Just gave Martin what
he asked for"
Senator King then went over Mar
tins testimony, which was that he
got $2O. 200 from NORM In one lump.
Says Martin Was Confused.
II think Martin was confused when
he testified" NORM said. 'Ha did
not get $4,000 from me In one lump"
saThe COMMITTEES win determine
whether he was confused" King re-
turned. He did not appear to me to
be confused"
.Did you have any conference with
Pinchot during the campaign" pur-
sued the Cnalfnaus
eyes. / called on him. his head
quarters being next door."
was there not o secret meeting
participated in by you, Gov. Pinchot
and Charles McGoyern (the Pinchot
n1auagerl, 1T which Mayor Kline's
bread d-and,butter speech was dis
cllssed?"
sYes. there was meeting. We
discussed as to whether the mayor
had violated the law, but Gov. pln-
chot said he would have 10 confer
with the attorney general.
IN the bread and butter" speech,
as quoted by the newspapers. Mayor
Kline told city employees that they
would be discharged unless they sup
ported the Pepper-F FISHER ticket.
Denies Having inside Man.
Turning to testimony given by Ne,
Govern. as TO what Norm had told
him about having inside information
about Pepper expenditures. King
asked:
enidn,t you not ten McGovsrn that
you had an inside man IN the Pepper
organizatiOn2n
1No: I told him that my informa-
tion came from q man who had been
planted IN the Pepper organization.
However, he was not my man.
NORM said he could only testify BY
hearsay about the Pepper budget
but ne heard that the Pepper
Fisher ticket WIS to have rs men hi
the city districts and 16 in the county,