The Birmingham age-herald., 1924-08-09
LOEB PICTURED ! AS REVELLING IN CRIME TALE Got Kick From Discuss ing Franks Death With
 Mother |sLAYERS' BROTHERS
 TO TAKE STAND Fourth Of Battery Of Alienists Adds To De-
 fense Story
(By Associated Press.

l CHICAGO, Aug. 9.-A pro- cession of eight college boys, finally giving way to pr. liar old s. Hubert, fourth of the defenses' mental specialists, took the witness stand today before Judge John R. Caverly and gave. evidence in support of the plea, for mitigation in Ithe sentencing of Nathan F. l Leopold, IT,, and Richard Loeb for the Kidnapping and lmurdering of Robert Franks.
 The university students, mostly friends of Loeb, testi- flied as to their observation of the youths peculiar manner lisrns and mental rlechanisms as revealed to them on campus and in fraternity house. They occupied the entire morning. |session, except for four min lutes when Dr. Robert Bruce Armstrong of Charlevoix, Mich, gave evidence regarding la slight accident to Loeb Tn f192O.
 l Dr. Hulbert, going over the lives of
 aaSsts from eeadla days, eola
 eludea Lreb 'is mentally dis easedp and had not reached his con EcIusions as to Leopold when court was adjourned until tomorrow. after ne l had been on the stand two hours.
 Loeb, Actual Slayer.
 Dr. Hubert corroborated the testi- I mony by Dr. Bernard Glueck of New York, that Loeb was the actual slayer of the Franks boy. Loeb said he struck the boy several times with a cold chisel, intending to stun him and stfan. gle him later with the assistance or IeopoId. but that the blows were suf- ficient to cause death, said Dr. Hull bert.
 That Loeb had discussed the Franks I murder with his mother, getting quite a kick. out of it." also was testified by l the usychiatrist. He told how Loeb l saw the funeral of his victim and felt 1 n bit uncomfortable, but not remorse- ] fuie when he saw Bobby's boy friends carry his coffin from the Franks home.
 Dr. Hubert delyed into the realm of prenatal influences in seeking causes for various defects that his thirteen examinations of the youth revealed to | him. He testified he had learned that l Leopold mother suffered from a physical ailment before his birth, re- ] mained an invalid and died 17 years later, and that L0eb's mother, just before his birth was sickly and also suffered from several acute infections. Was Backyard Child.
 Loeb, the witness testified, was back | ward physically during his babyhood, had badly formed heart, q sub-normal l temperature, retains three of his baby teeth and at the age of IS his voice | was changing. Leopold was slight in beyhOod, suffered serious gastric dis I order, always had q skin desease, and was affected more than ordinarily by various diseases common to infancy and childhood, he said.
 Both Leopold and Loeb early be- gan to have phantasies and pictured themselves quite differently from the imaginary selves normal boys dream of, said the pathologist Leopold's phan- tasies grew from the age>Of 5, whe1ahe saw his brother in q soldiers uniform end dreamed of being in command of huge body of men. That worked | fs,Nn eska t.A the doctor, Leopold at times picturing himself as a king, but 90 peg cent of I (COntlnued On Page TwO)