Perth Amboy evening news. [volume] (Perth Amboy, N.J.) 1903-1959, 1924-08-05
STATE WILL
ATTACK CLAIM
OF AL|EN|STS
That Both Leopold and Loeb
Were Victims of "ChiId-
ish Phantasies"
TESTIMONY GOES ON
Much More Time Will Be
Spent in Hearing These
Experts
CHICAGO. Aug. 5 (By The Asso-

CHICAGO. Aug. 5 (By The Asso-
ciated Press) William Healy,
of Boston, second psychiatrist. testi-
Tying for the defense at the hearing
to determine punishment for Rich
ard Loeb and Nathan Leopold, Jr.,
for kidnapping and numbering Ro-
bert Franks, testified today that the
crime was "the ufrect result of
Loeb's diseased motivation" and
that the observation of the youths
in the courtroom had confirmed his
opinion from examinations that they
are mentally diseased.
Cross examination of DR.. Healy
began by Robert K. Grove, states
attorney, seeking to bring out the
basis Of childish compact" be-
tween Loeb and leopold and the
hearing upon suggestion of the de-
Tense, became silent, the witness
testifying in a low voice only for
the court and the stenographers.
The matter of which boy struck
the fatal blow with a cold chisel re-
mained the puzzle of the trial when
DR.. Healy on croSs-examination af-
ter fifteen minute reference to his
notes of examinations, said that he
had not been told which killed the
Franks boy, and did not know.
Called by the defense to give testi-
mony that the two scoins of wealthy
Chicago families are mentally sick"
but not legally insane, with a hope
of obtaining mitigation of punish
ment, DR.. Healy still had an hour or
more of direct testimony. Robert e.
Grove, states attorney, said he ex-
pected to take not more than an
bOnr on ipoffop n,
Healy is the second of a half dozen
to be called for the defense.
DIR. Healy resumed his testimony
by further explaining the Childish
compact" he said yesterday Loeb and
Leopold had entered into at the age
of Is.
This childish compact was en-
tered into, apparently for the sake
OF carrying out some of the childish
notions which each had and was un-
willingly acceded to in both in
stances, to a certain degree anyhow"
said the witness.
mo doubt some think 1t is great
deal worse than it really is."
Turning to his conclusions, DR..
Hea1y said that ION account of Loeb's
abnormal mental life, particularly
on account of his twisted emotions
as evidenced and thin his pathologi-
cal absence of feeling about his own
misconduct, on account of his path
illogical split personality, and on ac-
count of the fact that 1t is unthink-
able that a boy of the lovable quail
ties that endeared him to both sexes
inside and outside his family circle,
SO carefully planned this monstrous
deed unless mentally abnormal. I
am forced to conclude Loeb has =
thoroughly diseased mental life. an
abnormal split personality"
The doctor said his observance OF
the defendants conduct in the court
room confirmed his conclusions.
DIR. Healy said his compensation
was $3.50 a day.
Doctor. you talk about child
ish compact" said Mr.. Grove, on
cross examination. "In that pact
these boys agreed to practice differ
ent forms of pervision, didn't they?"
Childish forms, yes" replied DR..
Hea1y.
Judge Caverly ordered examina-
ton along the line be done privately
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