Evening star., 1924-08-05

Mr. Grove that the boys did not tell
him which originated the crime. or
did he have any notes which might
help him answer, that he had not
gone into that phase in the examina-
tion.
Doctor. would you not come to
the conclusion that if moral, de-
cent. clean-living man had committed
a crime of this sort, he certainly
was insane?" asked Mr.. Grove.
Il should not be Of any opinion
whatsoever, it should be gone into.
replied the witnesS.
IF you found that person. or per-
sons, who had committed this crime
prior to that time had been cheats
at cards. firebugs. thieves and per-
verts. you wouldn't be surprised.
would you?" asked the prosecutor
Yes" was the reply.
In what respect" asked Mr..
1T is a much more remarka Bile
crime" said DR.. Healy.
Cowboy Pictures Cited.
Mr.. Grove went into the matter of
the childhood pictures of Loeb in
cowboy and Indian suits, introducing
one DIR. Healy had described as show
ing "a tense little face" Mr.. Grove
tried to have the witness agree that
the lad in the picture merely had
been assuming a facial expression in
keeping with the idea lent by the
suits
Questions by Mr.. Grove as to the
meaning of insanity" were ruled out
has sought diligently to have intro
duced a statement by defense wit
nesSes that Loeb and Leopold are in
sane and thereby cause jury trial.
Dr. Healy and Mr.. Grove fenced
craftily, the witness refusing TO haz-
ard opinions on generalitiesN
Mr.. Grove went through the crime.
as confessed by the youths, step by
step, asking DIR. Healy after each as
sertion: was that intellect or child
ish phantasy working when they did
that"
Intellect Responsible.
Almost invariably DR.. Healy re-
piled:
"It was their intellect working"
In other words, every detail of
this crime is the result of intellect
Il think So" replied the doctor.
Mr.. Grove sought to bring out that
certain emotion displayed by the
youths when their alibis were broken
Making those assumptions" re-
piled the doctor, Il should say that
was fear
Loeb is the master criminal here,
isn't he? asked Grove.
Yes, think So" replied the doc
tor.
Didn't Use Common Sense.
II don't think they were using
much common sense in doing the
crime at all" DR.. Healy replied to an
other question bearing on the intel
lectual advisement of the deed"
Doctor, in planning the crime it
self and steps to protect themselves
dafaPtinn in
which that differs in this case from
the average case of a criminal is that
these men showed little higher
grade of intellect, isn't it?" asked the
prosecutor.
mo" Dr. Healy replied
isn't there anything in their. acts
here which exhibits a higher intel
lect?" asked Grove.
Yes, their ability to plan" was
the reply. -------
Calm in Examination.
DR.. Healy retained his equanimity
nation by Mr.. Grove, smiling easily
and displaying no nervousness as the
prose ecutor. sought to destroy the value
of his testimony as a matter meriting
consideration in fixing punishment.
At one time Mr.. Grove and DR.. Healy
got into a lengthy comparison Of
juvenile courts and work and Grim
inal courts. Dr.. Healy explaining
most of his work was with boys
under 19.
"Then you have not had much ex-
perience with criminals springine
from millionaire families and who are
college graduates, have you, doctor 2"
asked Mr.. Grove. The defense OBJ
jected.
Another question by Mr.. Grove
brought an objection from Mr.. Oar
row part of it being, because no
1S-year-old boy ever has been hang
ed in Illinois, At this point court
recessed for lunch
Preparing Rebuttal.
The prosecution, foiled so far in at
empts to turn the hearing into a
jury trial on an insanity plea, is pre-
pairing rebuttal evidence of its own
alienists to show that the slayers
were Intellectually capable of plot
ting the mental irresponsibility de-
Tense theory.
Both constituencies, egotistic and
selfish, Loeb would have killed men,
bers of his family or his counsel If
pleasure or publicity was to be gained
thereby, and Leopold thought he was
wrong. according to DR.. Healy's tes-
timony. Each had peculiarities in his
mental life, each arrived at the pc
each supplemented the others al
ready abnormal needs in unique
way, he said The Franks murder
was the result of diseased motivation,
he averred.
DR.. Bernard Glueck. New York, who
Is scheduled to follow DR.. Healy on