Evening star., 1924-08-02
(Contipued from First Page.)

attention virtually all the short half
holiday session today.
Ten days of the hearing have seen
increased interest daily. judging by
the long line of visitors struggling
for entrance to the court room. hun
DIR eds coming while not more than 200
can gain admission.
Earlier KILLING Plans.
Mr.. Grove started with . question
a. to the witness statement yesterday
that Loeb had considered killing
members of his family and also
Leopold.
What is your authority for this!"
asked Mr.. Grove.
Loeb himself" said the doctor.
The fact that he told you this
but not the states attorney was
significantT'
Il never considered it as I did not
know exactly what he had told you,"
said DR.. White.
Authority Of Letter.
DR.. White said the only authority
he had for saying that Leopold had
considered killing Loeb was a letter
written by the former.
The states attorney next ELECTED
that Dr. White had not applied the
usual tests to Leopold and Loeb.
having depended for this aspect of
the case upon q report OF DR.. William
A Healy; who is to follow him on
You are of the opinion Loeb is
intellectually plus par" Asked the
states attorney.
he showed up very WELL" said DR..
White.
gested Mr.. Grove.
Il couldn't fix it definitely" was
Doctor, have you any children"
was the next question.
white Has GrandeAiId.
The witness smiled as he replied
he had a stepchild and grandchild.
Which is responsible for the r, mur,
man!' asked Grove,
You cannot split man like that"
replied the doctor. =
"Where did the crime originate, in
the emotion or Intellectual
instincts, or the emotions. But 1 do
not believe that is . very complete
statement" said the expert.
Gould the intellectual have stop
ped the emotion1 at any. time during
the six months they were planning
II don't know" said DIR. White.
Sympathy for Othero-
DO you think man with the emo
tions of child of would show SYM
pathy for othsrs?
Ordinarily. no"
DO you think a man with the emo
tions Of q child Of would show con-
sideration for the feelings Of others
to the extent that he would not want
to divulge the names of decent Eirls
when he got himself into trouble?"
asked Mr.. Grove.
The doctor explained that Loeb had
been swayed all the time between right
and wrong, but that Leopold had a
better determination of mind that
Loeb.
Mr. Grove asked if a child Of 5 would
the grandson Of the president of the
company with which his father was
connected and then ask to keep that
name out because Dad is out at
Sears. Roebuck & Co., and it might
embarrass him with julius RosenvAld.'
Mr.. Rosenwald is president Of Sears,
Roebuck & Co.. of which Arm Loeb's
father is an executive officer.
That would show affection for his
father" the doctor said.
MH. Grove read a long question a
to why Loeb had appeared normal to
all his family and social contacts
and they never had noticed any Ah.
normality or subnormality. The doc
tor replied that Loeb's emotional self
Rnah q AnAAoa ivvH IN Il
people and those with whom he came
in contact, and to blind them to the
defects that would be apparent upon
an examination by experts.
Nature of sTntent."
What IL criminal intent?" asked
Grove.
II don't know, you tell me-" replied
the doctor.
Well. you are not in accord with
DR.. White said responsibility was
"a legal fiction to fasten upon the
defendant something that would jus
tify verdict Of right or wrong"
mo. 1 am not In accord with the
law in . good many ways in my
thinking" said the doctor.
Mental illness Is sickness of mind
aanity only after a man legally has
been declared insane said the doc
tor
He was asked about the use Of that
term In q book he had written and
replied:
Use Of Insaniy.
'T used insanity instead Of some
rscondits philosophical term in .
book SO the averaEe person In look
inE over = book stall would be more
The straight questions BY Grove
regarding insanity were. objected to
fense.
You wrote another book The Out
lines OF Sump'n or Other. said
Mr.. Grove. "a those near enough
doctor replied he had not defined
insanity" in that book.
'1ntelioctually," DR.. White said,
Leopold knsw he was wrong. but he
had no feeling Of it,
|. as Loeb the leader in this crimer'
sTfs almost impossible to separate
these individuals and put ono out -
. leader" DR., White replied.
(which has the stronger mindr'
asked Grove.
ssas :sf sss: es:.'s.s s:s &; ss.ess
largely constructive component IN
his, make cup. Dickis on the other
hand impresses one - much more on
the other side Of the equation, bein
rather essentially destructive and
foliwtn9 the lipa OF least resistance
0aesttsA II Assseiate.
DR.. White argued with the prose-
cutor when Mr., Grove sought TO b!ine
out whether the fact the youths had
q third intimate associate would make
any difference Ia hts estimAte OF. thu
boys, DR.. White refused to say
whether the third youth should pe
|exeminsA IN psgchoDsthic hospital.
questions replied that he did not think
LeopeM had misled him, the prose