The Indianapolis times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1922-1965, 1924-08-02

in any way entered into the doctors
consideration of the prisoners ac-
tons. Doctor White replied that he
knew nothing about the boy.
We'll, would 1t now be wise to
have Rubel given a psychopathic ex-
animation for fear he might go out
and commit a murder?
well, 1t wouldn't hurt to examine
him-or any other person" the doc
tor laughed.
Grove then asked whether Leo
pold because Of his law studies
had made any effort to deceive him.
The doctor replied that he had
little fear Of that
IF Leopold and Loeb lied to you
during your examination Of them
wouldn't your conclusions be differ
ent?" Grove asked.
Not Deceived
''I may have been misled in some
minor Details" the doctor said. ''but
in general 1 have a good conception
Of the situation. If all the things
they told me were wrong 1
might have other conclusions, but
essentially their story was real and
true and if there were some minor
discrepancies they only uphold my
conclusions"
Does the fact that Nathan Leo
pold has what you call a split per.
sonality show that he has dementia
praecox?"
A sharp debate started, first be
tween Grove and the witness and
then between Grove and counsel for
the defense when DIR. White said
he could not answer the question
yes or no but would have to explain
it.
The court ruled with the defense
and the witness, allowing the doc
tor to qualify his answer. Grove.
however, chose to withdraw that
question and ask another.
How many of the patients
brought to your hospital in Wash.
ington are suffering from dementia
praecox?" he asked.
about 80 per cent" was the an
swer.
rs a person suffering from de-
mentia praecox necessarily insane?'
Absolutely no.
Grove then brought out that de-
pravity was a form of mental in
sanity.
well. isn't there a question of
moral insanity of this case?'' Grove
asked
Moral insanity is not descriptive
in this situation" the doctor replied.
Young Leopold and Loeb paid at
tention to the cross-examination of
White.
Grove asked DR.. White whether
he had told everything of his ex-
aminations and the doctor replied
that he had forgotten to mention
what Leopold would do if the case
were against hinn-if he were
sentenced to hang.
Leopold said, according to the
Doctor, that he would accumulate
ten Of the worlds greatest riddles,
put them in a safety vault and ap-
point a commission of scientists to
try to get in touch with him after
his death to try and see if he could
solve these riddles.
DR.. White said the boys told him
Of setting fire to a shack. driving
away and then coming back and
finding great enjoyment in discussing
the fire with the crowd. Then the
doctor said the boys told him of rob
bling two fraternity houses at Ann
Arbor, Mich, last November.
Grove made an attack on the
credibility of the doctor when he
asked to see the original report
which the doctor made after the ex-
aminations.
The defense objected on the
ground that the doctor did not have
to submit his original report.
Grove said that the original re-
port might show whether the wit
ness 'for $3.50 a day was ready to
testify to one set of conclusions,
and then swing to another set of
at the dictates of the
defense.
First Report Refused
He asked Doctor White whether
he objected to his seeing the original
report. DR.. White said the report
was in the possession of defense at
torneys.
The defense refused to produce the
report.
Grove then asked the witness
whether Loeb had any other OBJ
iective In life than to fulfill his
dreams of being the master criminal,
and the witness replied he knew Of
none.
IF Leopold's glasses had no.
fanen from his pocket and we had
not caught the. boys, is it safe TO
assume that they would Shave con-
tinued in their life of crime7' asked
Grove.
Yes, 1 assume they would"
Grove dismissed the witness sfter
making vain effort to get his opin-
ion on what sort of fiction is wrapped
up in the question of knowledge
between right and wrong. The doc
tor had made frequent reference TO
legal responsibility being a legal fc.
ton. but the witness refused to
amplify the statements,