New Britain herald., 1924-08-14
STATE CONTINUES
 ATTACK ON LEOPOLD
Also Seeks 10 DlspTOYt That
 Loeb Mas "Henlaly III"

Chicago, Aug, lt,--Ths state today
 continued is attack on The claim
 that Leopold and l.oeh were "meHr
 tally ili" when they kidnapped and
 murdered Bobby Franks District Attorney Grove brought forth mere
 expert testimony 10 eounteFaet that
 of the defense,
 1nsiay's Etidenee
 The states first alienist, nr, Hugh T. Patrick of Chicago, having asserted
 his belief that Nathan r, Leopold, Jr,, and Richard Loeb were sane when they Kidnapped and killed Robert
 Franks, was on the witness stand for further eross.eNaminaiien when the hearing to fix punishment of the two youths resumed for the twenty-first day before Judge John R. eaverly this morning,
 Benjamin Baehraeh Of ihe defense counsel resumed questioning Dr, Pa- trick about his examination of Leo- pold in the oifiee of Robert F, Grove, states attorney, The question con- eerned chiefly the subject of the psychology Of birds" which Dr. Pa- trick said had been discussed, clar- enee s. Darrow, chief of defense eoun- sel, said after adjournment yesterday that Mir. Baehrach's examination might or might not be aimed at the intention to show pr. Patrick formed | his conclusions ns to Leopold's mental l condition after a conversation Of only | twenty minutes.
 "Therc was some conversation about the psychology of man. of animals and of human behavior. and the question of where instinct ceused and reason began. and how each was con- trolled," said the doctor.
 "This sort Of conversation, of course. would not throw considerable light on the mental processes, but 1t vas exceedingly we'll adapted to bring ,ut certain things. IL was well adapt I'd 10 ascertaining his mental concen- ration, his ability to hold a conver- Iation in the presence of other people. t was an excellent opportunity to see low logical his mind was. an oppor- unity to obtain to a considerable de- ,ree to learn his use of language and Leopold did not seem at all xcited and was quite cool and col ected."
 Reading from his notes, pr. Patrick ontinued:
 Leopold was responsive, although cry inaccessible. Emotionally nor nal in discussion. Seemed quite sus- eptible to flattery."
 Mostly, l listened" said Dr. Pat ok, in reference to his conversation ith Leopold.
 The questioning for 10 minutes pur- led the apparently aimless trend of le last 30 minutes yesterday, finally the statement that more ian Is persons were present, when r. Patrick examined Leopold.
 Did you ever in your life make an as to mental condition nder such conditions?" asked Mir. achrach. lI,, T think not" replied pr. Patrick. V V When they all were assembled, 7 ,w did the meeting open?" asked !. r. Bachrach. .
 Tell Story of Crime 2 "Ths story of the crime was told CT again, I think, at the request of r.. Grove, who made the remark out 1t being told for our benefit" . Patrick said. He suggested that observe them. At any rate we ew we were there for an examina- m. We listened in and asked some estions afterward.
 Mir. Bachrach asked that Dr. Pat k tell him what the youth had said out the crime.
 'Oh, gee, must tell all that again." most gasped the doctor. Yes. as minutely as you can," ,ed Mir. Bachrach.
 0r. Patrick again told the story of ) Kidnapping and murdering of bby Franks.
 The Motive Questioned The motive was one of the first ngs asked about after the story of
 crime had been told to him, pr. rick said. .. Mir. Grove asked Leopold If ney had anything to do with it." l the witness land both Loeb and ,pod said it vas part of the plan" )r. Patrick said he did not hear thing said about the perfect ne," but that that idea was pres- during his conversation with the ths. s to expressions of remorse, Dr. rick said, Loeb remarked that he retted the crime on account of his Ter, who was ill. "Otherwise there
 no display of remorse," said the tor. They both concluded by saying ething about not being quitters