New Britain herald., 1924-08-13
Prosecutor Crowe En- deavoring To Break Down Theory That Slayers Were "Men-
 tally TIT At The Time.
Experts Answer Many Questions Tending to Show That Both Boys Were Possessed of Ordi- nary Perception.
By The Associated Prsss.

By The Associated Press.
 Chicago. Aug. 13.--The prosecution
 placed its first two mental patholo
 gists on the stand at the Franks hear ing this morning and both testified
 that Richard Loeb and Nathan p Leopold, Jr., were sane when theI
 Kidnapped and killed Robert Franks.
 Drs. Hugh T. Patrick and Archibald Church of Chicago, testified that theiI examinations of the defendants led them to believe that neither youth was suffering from a mental illness. " set up by the defense as its plea for imprisonment rather than death for the kidnaper's murderers.
 They also testified in reply to long hypothetical questions including all the points brought out in behalf of the defendants that man of such per- sonality and character would be sane. The state sought a writ of attach ment from Judge Caverly to have Miss Marion Doctor, friend of Leopold
 brought into court after she had ig-
 nored a subpoena.
 Today's Hearing
 Dr. Hugh T. Patrick, Chicago neu- rologist. was on the witness stand again this morning to testify in fur therance of the states effort to have Judge John R. Caverly sentence Ma than F. Leopold. Jr., and Richard Loeb to the death penalty rather than prison terms for Kidnapping and mur- dering young Robert Franks.
 pr. Patrick yesterday asserted his conviction that Loeb was sane in re- ply to hypothetical question asked by John Barbaro, assistant states at- torney.
 'Aside from the commission of the crime, l see no evidences of mental disease" he replied.
 Three other long hypothetical ques- tions involving the various idiosyn- crasies of Loeb's personality and some unusual special characteristics brought the same response.
 T found nothing in my examtna- tion nor in printed reports to lead me to a diagnosis of mental disease" said the doctor.
 Another hypothetical question as to a man of Loebs intellectual qualities, and another as to q man of Loeb's | impulsiveness brought the same re- | piles, that they were attributes of normal people.
 They are perfectly normal reac- tions," said Dr. Patrick. Everybody at times is more or less depressed.
 "I apprehend that there is no one who does not have phantasies regard Ing the thing he Is interested in," he added. Air castles in Spain is the more common term. It is a highly 1, normal procedure. Some persons in- duge in it more than others This before going to sleep is not condition at all.
 Night before last had a phantasy , ,f appearing on the witness stand, and ,f the questions that might be asked ne.
 "Phantasies naturally take the line ,f mental attitude of the individual" , or. Patrick testified.
 "If a man has artistic abilities his mind naturally follows subjects along he line. If scientific he may have regarding a scientific dis | ,overy." .
 No Evidence of Disease l,
 ''I saw nothing in my contact with | he gentleman" said pr. Patrick in I eference to Leopold whom he had s tudied soon after arrest for murder | ng the Franks boy, ito lead me to ( uppose he had any mental disease" q Loeb and Leopold sat with stolid, nchanging faces as they heard the a fitness proclaim them sane. Leopold ested his elbows on a chair arm and ushioned his chin with his hand. ,oeb, hands in his lap, stared at the fitness. Occasionally, as, has been heir habit throughout the hearing, he youths held whispered converse ons. n Leopold's statement of feeling of M thletic inferiority, was perfectly nat fe ral, Dr. Patrick said, and could not n 2 termed an inferiority complex, be- " ause Leopold actually was inferior in al c He sizes up himself with good p' ldgment," said the witness "He so sizes up his intellectual self with n pod judgment" Leopold's statement of dread of cling pain goes with sense of emo- on, said Dr. Patrick. Defense alien ts called Leopold's morbid fear of lin the reaction of diseased men, B. lity in which the mind has been va arfted =, 'Loeb's intense nervousness shows , has the emotional reaction many
 us have" Dr. Patrick continued. TO There is nathing particularly abnor- m al about if. Loeb's sensiHveness fir Id thin skinness would further show O. m to be emotional. as well as hav- R g feeling of pain at the sight of ca hers experiencing f." ul
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