The Birmingham age-herald., 1924-08-08
GROVE HINES
 PERJURY ACTION
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Continued From Page One.) that his memory was poor on many points.
 At the close of her testimony Miss Nathan walked over to where Loeb was sitting. ss
 The prisoner looked up at her and said
 Thanks, Lorraine: I'm sorry you had to say what you did at the end.','
 Loeb was referring to the girls de claration that although she once had cared for him, that feeling had gone,
 I'm sorry" she said, as she pressed his shoulder with her hand, but I had to tell the truth"
 Girl Greets Babe
 Then the girl tried to shake hands with Leopold.
 Hello, Babe," she said.
 I'm glad to see you, Lorraine, " Babe" replied.
 After the session. Clarence S. Darrow said he believed Grove would accuse Miss Nathan and Schrayer of perjury.
 They're far from being perjurers," :" the attorney said. 'They told the truth, according to the best of their recollection and ability and that is all anybody can expect them to do."
 Grove was nOn=commital on the per jury question. He did say that he be- lieved the testimony of Miss Nathan and Schrayer would not be of much value to the defense.
 Miss Nathan described how ire 'quently she and Loeb had been thrown together, how they became fond of each other, and how tlnally they had "an understandings" zs @ ee Did yog, observe 3ehy change in hia at any timeY' Darrow asked.
 "Yes, after he came back from the University of Michigan in 1923, there was a big change in him." the witness replied. q thought that for a uni versity graduate he had become un- usually infantile in his behaviour.
 "On one occasion he came to my home. am very positive that he had not been drinking. He took an intno- duction to some of the guests very and that was not lis custom.
 Actions Peculiar
 "ae started dancing down ,-.e middle of the room and at that time we,4were passing chocolates, and he put his thumb into each one of them he could reach. Later he went out in the hall and put on the guests hats, one by one. I thought that very peculiar" -.>
 Continuing, Miss Nathan described how Loeb had stolen articles from her home and later had returned them say ing seriously to her:
 Lorraine, your mother may need this"
 Loeb Visited Birmingham
 ''I believe Dickie made a trip, to ,Bir- mingham," said Darrow.
 Yes, that was in June, 1923. -
 Did you see him at that timeE
 "Yes, sir, he came home from Ann Arbor and I saw him before he went to Birmingham"
 Will you tell us what happened?" "Yes. This was the first time 1 noted he was irrational and irrespon- sible. We had a quarrel and l told him if he was going to continue that way our relationship would have to be changed-that I would be willing to be like a sister to him, but nothing more. Then he went to Birmingham"
 What happened when he came back?"
 "He tried to get one of his friends to intercede for him and. finally we had a date. This time he seemed very haggard and nervous"
 By February, Loeb begun to act so queerly that she considered terminating her association with him, Lorraine said.
 "He drove recklessly and did not seem to care what was in front of him. If people were in front of his car he would put on speed and they would have to dodge. 'I found him irration- al and irresponsible from that time on and l told him, that in view of his conduct, we could not be anything but brother and sister to each other. We had several quarrels."
 As she said this the girl darted q swift glance at Loeb. Hitherto she had avoided looking at him. He caught her glance and looked at the floor.
 During her testimony Miss Nathan frequently used such expressions as "infantile," childish" abnormal" |" 'irresponsible" and Grove took q sar- castle dig at her when he launched into a savage ross-examination.
 Recalls Statement
 Doctor, mean Miss Nathan, do you remember giving a statement in the states attorneys office on June =" the prosecutor asked. Yes recall that and I told the truth. the girl answered.
 Well, you didn't say anything about split personality then or now, did you?'
 No" the witness said.
 And you wouldn't lie to help Dick out?"
 T should say not"
 And you wouldn't lie to the states attorney?"
 T did not'-this was said quite angrily. The girl was smarting under Crowe's caustic queries.
 The states attorney then produced pile of papers and started to read from them. They were transcriptions made by stenographers of those ques- tions and answers that took place in the office of the states attorney at the time Miss Nathan visited there. Darrow shouted objection after objec. tion. Grove insisted he had a right to read the questions and Miss Ma than's answers to ascertain whether what she had said then was essential ly the same as her court testimony. Y We have had so many new rules (