Evening star., 1924-08-05
AL|EN|ST CAN'T SAY
Who STRUCK FATAL
BLOW WITH CH|SEL
Boston Doctor Is Convinced
Loeb and Leopold Are Dis
eased Mentally.
SEES SPLIT PERSONALITY
RESPONSIBLE FOR CRIME
State Prosecutor Again Fails to
Draw Admission Two Defend
ants Are Insane.
By the Associated Press.

By the Associated Press
CHICAGO, August 5.-Dr. Willi4aA
HeaIy of Boston, second psychiatrist.
testifying for the defense at the hear~
ing to determine punishment for
Richard Loeb and Nathan F. Leopold,
jr., for kidnapping and numbering
Robert Franks, testified today that
the crime was the direct result of
Ioeb's diseased motivation" and that
the observation of the youths in the
courtroom had confirmed his opinioN
from examinations that they are men
tally diseased.
Cross by Dr. Healy be-
gan by Robert z. Grove, States at
torney, seeking to bring out the basis
Of Childish compact" between Loeb
and Leopold, and the hearing, upon
suggestion of the defense, became ST.
lent, the witness testifying in a low
voice only for the court and the
stenographers.
The matter Of which boy struck the
fatal blow with a cold chisel re-
mained the puzzle of the trial when
Dr. Healy on cross examination, after
a fifteen-minute reference to his notes
of examinations, said that he had not
been told which killed the Franks
boy, and did not know.
Mental Analysis Continues.
DR.. William Healy, Boston psychi-
artist, still was on the witness stand
giving direct testimony when the
twelfth days session of the hearing
to determine the punishment of Ma
than F. Leopold, jr., and Richard Loeb
for the kidnapping and staying of Rob
ert Franks opened before Judge John
R Caverly this morning.
Called by the defense to give testi-
mony that the two scions of wealthy
Chicago families are mentally SICK"
but not legally insane, with 3 hope OF
obtaining mitigation OF punishment
DR.. Healy still had an hour or more
Of direct testimony. Robert L.
Grove, States attorney, said he ex-
pected to take not moro than an hour
on cross-examination. He is the Sec
ond of a half dozen to be called for
the defense.
Explains Childish Compact.
DR.. Healy resumed his testimony
by further explaining the Childish
compact he said yesterday Loeb and
Leopold had entered into at the age
of Is.
This childish compact was entered
into apparently for the sake of car
rying out some of the childish no.
tions which each had and was un-
willingly acceded to in both in
stances, to certain degree, any
how" said the witness.
mo doubt some think it is a great
deal worse than it really is"
The witness said Loeb began drink
ing at Is years of age, fact which
he considered pertinent to the case,
and began an association with elder
folks.
when he got into college life he
had been pushed ahead of himself,
said the doctor. He was in a sit
uation then which was decidedly un-
fortunate"
Sees Split Personality.
Turning to his conclusions, DR..
Healy said that ION account of Loeb's
abnormal life, particularly on ac-
count of his twisted emotions. as evil
denced, and then his pathological alb
sence of feeling about his own mis-
conduct, on account of his pathology
cal split personality, and on account
of the fact that it is unthinkable
that a boy of the lovable qualities
that endeared him to both sexes
inside and outside his family circle
so carefully planned this monstrous
deed unless mentally abnormal, 1
am forced to conclude Loeb has a
thoroughly diseased mental life, an
abnormal split personality"
The doctor said his observance of
the defendants conduct in the court
room confirmed his conclusions.
DR.. Healy said his compensation
was $3.50 a day.
Doctor, you talk about a childish
compact" said Grove, on cross
examination. I'm that pact these
boys agreed to practice different
forms of perversion. didn't they?"
Childish forms. yes" replied DR..
Healy.
Judge Caverly ordered that examina-
tion along that line be done privately.
Asked Who Planned Crime.
Mr.. Grove asked the witness if he
did not think, from all viewpoints,
that the crime itself was the most
important. DR.. Healy replied in the
affirmative.
Don't you think the manner in
which they related the details of the
murder might have aided you in
forming your conclusion?" Mr.. Grove
continued.
mo; I knew enough about it al
ready" said DR.. Healy.
DO you know in whose mind the
crime originated; did either state
which actually did it?" Mr.. Grove
asked.
Not without referring to my
notes, which would require half an
hour" replied DR.. Healy.
Mr.. Grove demanded that he do so
and at the same time determine who
actually committed the deed.
Judge CaverIy ordered a recess
while the alienist examined his notes.
When DIR. Healy resumed he told