Evening star., 1924-08-13
AL|EN|STS DECLARE
SLAYERS NORMAL
Prosecution Doctor Says All
Men Subject to Occasional
PhantaSieS.
By the Associated Press.


CHICAGO, August 1S.-The prosecu-
tion placed its first two mental pa
biologists on the stand at the
Franks hearing this morning and
hoth testified that Richard Loeb and
Nathan F. Leopold, jr.. were sane
when they kidnapped and killed
Robert Franks.
DIR. Hugh T. Patrick and DR.. Archi-
bald Church of Chicago testified that
their examinations of the defendants
led them to believe neither youth was
suffering from mental Illness" set
up by the defense as its plea for i'm
prisonment rather than death for the
kidnapers- s-murderers.
They also testified in reply to long
hypothetical questions, including all
the points brought out in behalf of
the defendants. that a man of such
personality and character would be
sane.
The State sought writ of attach
ment from Judge John r. Caverly to
Leopold, brought into court after she
had ignored a subpoena
Continues Testimony.
DR.. Patrick. Chicago neurologist. was
on the witness stand again this morning
to testify in the furtherance of the
States effort to have Judge John r.
Caverly sentence Leopold and Loeb to
the death penalty rather than prison
terms
DIR. Patrick yesterday asserted his
conviction that Loeb was sane. but
further testimony by him was cut off
when the defense objected to a hy-
potheticaI question aimed at a further
analysis of Loeb.
DR.. Patrick reaffirmed his conclu-'
sion that Loeb was sane in reply to
the hypothetical question asked John
Sbarbaro, assistant States attorney.
aside from the commission of the
crime, 1 see no evidences of mental
disease" he replied.
The other long hypothetical ques-
tions, involving the various idiosyn-
cracies of Loeb's personality and some
unusual physical characteristics. brought
the same response.
Finds All Normal.
II found nothing in my examina-
tion nor in printed reports to lead
me to diagnosis of mental disease
said the doctor.
Another hypothetical question as
to a man of Loeb's intellectual quail
tiles and another as to a man of
Loeb's impulsiveness brought the
same replies that they were attri-
butes of normal people.
They are perfectly normal re-
actions" said DR.. Patrick. Every
Il apprehend that there Is no one
who does not have phantasies re-
garding the thing he is interested in.
Air castles in Spain is the more
common term. 1t is a highly normal
procedure. Some persons indulge in
it more than others. This thing of
having phantasies for 80 minutes
before going to sleep is not a patho-
logical condition at ALL"
last l had phantasy of appearing
on the witness stand and Of the
questions that might be asked me-"
Has Phantasies Himself
"Phantasies naturally take the line
Of the mental attitude of the
Individual" DR.. Patrick testified.
IF a man has artistic abilities his
mind naturally follows subjects
along that line. If scientific he may
have phantasies regarding scienti-
fic discovery.
Il saw nothing in my contact with
the gentleman" said DR.. Patrick in
reference to Leopold, whom he had
studied soon after arrest for murder
ing the Franks boy, Ito lead me to
suppose he had any mental disease"
Loeb and Leopold sat with stolid
unchanging faces as they heard the
witness proclaim them sane. Leopold
rested his elbows on a chair arm and
cushioned his chin with his hand.
Loeb, hands in his lap, stared at the
witness Occasionally as he has been
their habit throughout the hearing,
the youths held whispered CONVERSE
tions.
Leopold's statement of a feeling Of
athletic inferiority was perfectly
natural, DR.. Patrick said, and could
not be termed an inferiority complex
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