Evening star., 1924-08-13
ALIENiSTS DECLARE
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because Leopold actually was inferior
in athletics.
HE sizes up himself with good
Judgment" said the witness. He also
sizes up his intellectual self with
good Judgment
Leopolds statement of a dread Of
feeling pain goes with sense of
emotion, said DR.. Patrick Defense
alienists called Leopold's morbid fear
Of pain the reaction OF a diseased
mentality in which the mind had been
dwarfed.
'Loebs intense nervousness shows
he has the emotional reaction many
Of US have" DR.. Patrick continued
There is nothing particularly ab-
normal about it. Loeb's sensitive
ness and thin skinness would further
show him to be emotional, as we'll as
having Il feeling OF pain at the sight
OF others experiencing it,"
The State sought to have DR..
Patrick challenge certain sections of
the "Bowman- Hubert" report used
by the defense alienists as basis for
their conclusions that Leopold and
Loeb are mentally sick. DR.. Patrick
said that he did not want to under
take off-hand challenging Of any
statements in that report, and that he
wished to see 1t. Judge Caverly of
fered q 10-minute recess, but con-
tinued the hearing when DR.. Patrick
said 10 minutes would not be suf-
ficient to review the report. The mat
ter was dropped for the time being
Murdered for Thrill.
Dr. Patrick said that in an inter-
view with the youths Loeb had said
in reply to a question as to the
motive:
God. | don't know" Previously.
however. testified Or. Patrick. Loeb
had said in effect that it was for the
thrill. the experience and the money.
Leopold stated first that he thought
he did it because Dick wanted 1t
done" said DR.. Patrick II asked him
whether it was an idea of matching
| his wits with those of the police and
| Leopold said yes. that might have
had something to do with it
Ransom had something to do with
it," declared DR.. Patrick. That is
explained by the way they had
| planned to dispose of it and the ar
rangements they had made to hide it
| ransom was to he divided fifty-fifty,
the boys told me-"
VIII Go Over Report.
| The state released DR.. Patrick for
cross examination. but the defense re-
! fused until DIR. Patrick had complete ed
all his evidence. Dr. Patrick was
/ excused until the opening Of the
| afternoon session to permit him to ,go
over the Bowman Hubert" report to
pick out what, in his opinion, weha
| Inconsistencies"
4 lominute recess was ordered
! "a IN q
second alienist testify.
Jacob Franks. father of the mur-
| dered boy. spent the recess reading
! through a stack OF letters. His mail
has been burdened heavily with all
| sorts of letters since Bobby was slain.
| Dir. Archibald Church of Chicago
was the second State aIienist. He
described himself as physician who
| has specialized in the study Of ner-
vous and mental diseases.
! Or. Church said that he had ex-
amtned Loeb and Leopold on June /.
and that the youths had told all de-
tails of the crime
The State Immediately asked him
as to his conclusions regarding their
mental conditions. but Benjamin
! Bachrach of the defense, objected that
the witness first should tell every
| thing that was done"
| Ut. ShUFCH idunCheQ INTO Qe-
! tailed story Of the crime as he said it
had been recited to him by'L Loeb and
Leopold
Loeb and Leopold eyed the witness
! indifferently as he went over the old
| ground. The courtroom was breath.
lcssly silent. however, as DR.. Church
talked.
"were Not Quitters.-
The story of the crime told, DR.
! Church continued: Il asked Leopol6
| why he did it and he almost tremblet
! and answered he did not know why
Loeb said they were aware at al
| times of what they were doing, but
that they were not cutters.
Il asked IL they did not want tc
beat the detective forces, and they
| said yes, that porb1Aly was part of 1t
During the taking Of a nashitsh,
picture Of the murder car in the jai
yard, a photographer set off a flash.
! light charge and Loeb collapsed
against the wall. Leopold looked q
him sneeringly and said, what
| understood, poor weakling.'
Il asked Leopold what the ransom
had to do with II and he said it wa.
! secondary consideration, but< Of
! course, was Of Importance.
They also said it would be divided
| half and half, and it was understood
none of the money was to be spen
in Chicago within a year, but it NIGH
be spent abroad"
Mr.. Sbarbaro asked whether DR.
Church had an opinion as te
| Loeb's mental condition when tn,
| crime was committed.
No Mental Disease.
! "There was no mental disease O,