Atlanta tri-weekly journal. [volume] (Atlanta, Ga.) 1920-19??, 1924-08-16
GROVE AND BARROW
IN WRATHY PASSAGE;
COURT IS RECESSED

counsel for the defense, and Robert
E. Grove, states attorney, got into
an angry argument at the afternoon
session of the Franks hearing whcih
was interrupted only when Judge
John r. Caverly directed a fivemin-
ute recess.
Mr.. barrow was cross examining
DIR. Archibald Church, of Chicago,
session of the Franks hearing which
asked if the doctor had gone to the
boys for any other purpose than as
an alienist for the state to give tes-
timony on which to hang them.
His lips quivering, his naturally
rudy countenance redder than ever,
and his finger pointed skakingly at
Mr. Darrow, the doctor managed to
get out:
+ "Now, Mr.. Darrow, you know that
was not true" before Mr. Grove wae
on mis- feet with loud objection.
barrow Apologies
LET him answer! Let him an
swer," Mr.. Grove shouted, as at the
same moment Mr. Darrow withdrew
his question with an apology and
Judge Caverly ordered it erased from
the record
HE asked a question and saw the
answer was going to hurt him" Mr..
Grove said in reference to Darrow.
"You know I don't play tricks, -
hurled back Mr.. Darrow. II mad
vertently used the wrong word, and
1 have had it stricken out"
"You have played plenty OF
tricks!" Mr.. Grove got in before
Judge Caverlv directed the recess tic
permit tenlpers to cool.
DR.. Church previously had testi-
fled his action in accepting state
employment was guided by his find
iEgs and conscience.
Prisoners Laugh at Tilt
Nathan Leopold, Jr., and Richard
IeLoeb, WIZ se punishment for kidnap
/ ing and numbering Robert Franks
the hearing will determine, enjoyed
the wrangle thoroughly, laughing as
their counsel and the man who lac
expressed the intention to have them
hanged worldly battled back and
forth.
The defense consumed the morn
ing session with a cross eXaminatio 2
OF DIR. Hugh r. Patrick, alienist for
the prosecution, designed to show
that his conclusions that Leopold
and Loeb are sane, were based on in
adequate information and eXa--lin =
tons conducted under improper con
ditions, and finally reached it's objec
tive late this morning, with the cues
ton:
did you ever in your life make
an examination under such condi-
tions?"
NO" replied DR.. Patrick.
The defense almost Immediately
demanded that DR.. Patrick recount
the details of the kidnapping and muir
der of Young Robert Franks, and the
tale previously told many times con-
sumed an additional large part of the
morning session.
drilled on His Examination
Benjamin Bachrach of defense
counsel at the start of today's SEES
sion resumed questioning Dr.. Pat
rick about his examination OF
Leopold in the office of Robert r..
Crowe, states attorney. The cues
tons concerned chiefly the subject of
the psychology of birds" which DR..
Patrick said had been discussed.
'"There was some conversation
about the psychology Of man, Of ami
mails and of human behavior, and tie
Question of where instinct ceased
AMI reason began, ard how each WIS
controlled said The doctor.
Il was not paying any attention
to other things and apparently Leo
pold was not" said the doctor.
"This sort of conversation, of
course, would not throw considera-
bic light on the mental processes, but
IT. was exceedingly well adapted 10
bring out certain things. 1t was well
adapted to ascertaining his mental
concentration, his ability to hold a
conversation in the presence of other
people. 1t was an excellent oppor.
tunity to see how logical his MUD
was, an opportunity to obtain to a
considerable degree to learn his use
Of language and memory"
Responsible But Inaccessible
DR.. Patrick said his conversation
lasted about twenty minutes before
| another state alienist entered, and
took part in the talk, still on the
same subjects.
Leopold did not seem at all ex-
cited and was quite cool and col.
lected," said DR.. Patrick.
DIR. Patrick said he took no notes
at the time but jotted them down
afterwards. Reading from his notes.
he continued.
Discussed psychology OF birds
and some philosophy on life. He
asked me if l could speak German.
Reluctance of people to consider
themselves scientifically, that people
were reluctant to look at themselves
from the scientific standpoint.
Leopold was responsive, although
very inaccessible. Emotionally nor
NAL in discussion. Seemed quite
susceptible to flattery.'
The defense brought out that
more than fifteen persons were
present when DR.. Patrick examined
Leopold.
did you ever in your life make
an examination as TO a mental con-
dition under such conditions?" ask
ed Mr.. Bachrach.
II think not" replied DIR. Patrick
when they were all assembled
how did the meeting open?" asked
Mr.. Bachrach.
The story Of the crime was told
over again, 1 think at the requesf
of Mr.. Grove, who make the remark
about it being told for our bene
fit said DR.. Patrick.
Mr.. Bachrach asked that DR.. Pat
: rick tell him what. the youth had
said about the crime.
: DR.. Patrick drew a long breath
, settled back into his chair. and for
{ time, the number of which no one
now remembers. the story OF the
kidnapping and numbering OF Bobby