The Birmingham age-herald., 1924-08-03
STATE RDICULES| DOCTORS THEORY.
 OF DREAM DEATH.
Grove Hints That LeO- pold And Loeb Fooled
 Alienists
ORIGINAL REPORT
 IS WITHHELD
White Said To Have Fit ted Decision To De-
 fense's Plan
lRx Associated Press.l

CHICAGO, Aug. 2.--The prose cution today ridiculed the "child- ish phantasy" theory built up by the defense through examination of it's first alienists, Dr. William A. White, Washington, D. C., as the explanation of the Kidnapping and staying oe Robert Franks by Nathan Leopold, IT,, and Richard Loeb. The state hinted that the youthful intellectual giants had hoodwinked the distinguished phychiatrist and finally it attacked the credibility of the eminent specialit.
 The defense stubbornly resisted the gefforts by Robert E. Grove, states attorney, to have produced the original report made to it by Dr. White. The superintendent of the Federal Hospital for the Insane sat on the witness stand flushed and apparently angered at Mir. Crowe's remarks to Judge Caverly that he wished to show that the witness had concluded that the boys were insane and then, for his fee of $250 a day, had sworn that they were only mentally sick" At the end of the short court session, the record showed Mir. Grove as satis- fled to let refusal of the report speak for itself.
 Don't lEnoasS
 Mr. Grove, in attacking the childish phantasy" theory brought from Dr. White an T don't know when he was asked if the admittedly high intel lect of the youthful defendants at any time could have stopped the planning of crime, which the alienist had testi- fled originated in their emotions.
 Hinting at the possibility that Babe" and ''Dickie" had fooled the doctors, Mir. Grove asked if he had believed all that the boys had told him despite their known propensity for falsehood. The witness replied that he had be- lieved all of Loeb's "foolishness" but he thought that Leopold had been frank"
 The youths, intellectually knew that murder was prescribed by the law" the doctor testified, but had no moral at titude to give them the feeling that they were doing wrong." Mir. Grove, however, forced the admission that in trying to protect the names of girl friends and in Loeb's trying to keep secret for the protection of his father an admission that he and Leopold had planned to kill the grandson of his fa- ther,s business associate, Julius Rosen- wald, the youths had actuated by concern mot possible in d child of five"
 Again Mir. Grove asked You have called Loeb a child of five emotionally. How do you account for the fact that for a part of this time he could lay aside this characteristic, pursue his university studies and appear so nor nal to everybody that even his imme- diate family was startled when this crime was fastened upon him. Will you explain how such an emotional infantile character could be so normal in all his human contacts|'
 Common Experience
 Unfortunately that is common expe- rience with people of this type" replied Dr. White 'These undeveloped emo tiOnal youngsters enjoyed the affec- SAOho OA tNANACAS pdICllS BOCuuSG of their child-like characteristics, which attracted love. The very nickname, 'Dickie,' would indicate the attitude which his parents had for him, that he was a lovable yOungster.
 That is the very characteristic that blinds people to things that are going on beneath the surface and are not visible to the untrained eye. We are dealing with that kind of situation all the time and are trying to show peo- pie how to look for danger signals un- derneath, rather than be misled by what appears to be a smooth and untroubled surface"
 Dr. White was asked if Loeb, who appeared normal to his university teach CTS and fellow-students throughout the months in which he and Leopold had planned their joint crime, had the pow CT to choose whether to carry out that plan. Mir. Grove wanted a yes" or mo" answer to this, but failed to get it, the witness replying:
 Well, he did not avoid doing it and whether he could have avoided the homi- eide is largely a metaphysical question. The powers that were at work within
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