Evening star., 1924-03-15
Quinby Tells Senators Pic
tures Were Sold With Un-
derstanding for Sellers to
Meet Fines in Each State.
BELIEVED JESS SMITH
PLAYED PART IN PLOT
Tells of Big Profits Made in Some
Places-Buyers Referred to Ger
tain Law Firm to Adjust Legal
Diferences-Holdredge. Former
Official, Called.

II vestigation of the Department
of Justice and Attorney General
Daugherty got into less turbulent
waters today in comparison to the
explosive sessions heretofore.
1t revolved around the story of
protection" for the showing of the
pentier-Dempsey prize fight films
lind alleged gun-running on the Mexi-
can border in connection with the
unsuccessful Cantu revolution.
F. c. Quimby, producer of the fight
films, testified that he and Tex
Ricard, the promoter. had no inten-
tion of showing the films outside of
the state of New Jersey and abroad,
because of the law prohibiting their
interstate transportation, until Jap
Muma, Will H. Orr and Ike Martin
came to him and explained a plan
to permit exhibition of the films in
the various states without getting
into trouble. Orr. Quimby said. re-
ferred to the late Jess Smith, Attor-
ney General Daugherty's friend, as a
friend of his, but he tQuimby) said
:. he did not know the Attorney Cen
eral. Orr, Muma and Martin, Quinn
by testified, told him to go ahead
Told to Go Ahead.
These three gentlemen told me to
go ahead with the pictures and /
would not be bothered" he testified
y lawyer, named Urion. Quimby
said, retained by Orr, Muma and
Martin, was to designate lawyers in
various states who were to look after
exhibitions of the films. The plan as
he outlined ii. was that the films
We're to be shown in each state first
before some veterans" organization.
Then" said Senator Wheeler, the
committee prosecutor, the buyer in
that state would be hauled up before
: come justice and fined: That was the
arrangement, wasn't it?"
While Quinby would not agree to
that, he testified that a plan of TAX
ing fines and then going ahead and
showing the pictures was followed in
some states, and he identified the list
>of individuals, given out last night
by Attorney General Daugherty as
those who had been prosecuted for
showing the films, as the same men
who had been the buyers for the
state rights" under the plans of dis
tribution he outlined in his testi-
mony.
Told to Wait a While.
In New York, after prosecution,
Quinby said, somebody in United
States Attorney Hayward's Office told
him Ito wait a while. and then go
ahead.
Whenever you sold a picture you
told the buyer what lawyer to see," sug-
.Eested Senator Wheeler, "and you knew
n he went to that lawyer he would be
lined and then allowed to go ahead"
That was my understanding" said
Quimby.
You were party to this plan?"
Il suggested it to the buyers, they
iotowed it."
In New York Quimby testified he
shaved the films, was fined a thousand
doi,ars, continued to show them and
made about $4,000 until Department
of Justice agent called on him and he
then decided to desist.
Films Shown Here.
Under questioning Quimby testified
he knew the films had been shown in
Washington before President Hard
ting. Postmaster General New and
other officials.
<uiHipS tCSlhicu IuTtHeF tndC ne
had been told Smith had an interest
in the contract. and that the receipts
of Orr, Muma and Martin were around
$4,000 or $4,000. The total net profits,
excluding New Jersey right, he said
were about $425,000.
Under que ,tloning by Senator.
Wheeler, Quimby testified that the
Department of Justice never had got
ten out an Injunction to stop the
exhibitions. = To Muma, an employe of
Z. b. Mclean, Quimby testified he
Lad paid about $4,000. For a so
per cent split to Orr, Muma and
Martin, the witness said he under
Quimby's testimony today was in
pursuit of the story told previously
by Roxie Stinson, divorced wife of
hat Smith Smith Miss stin1oh e had testified saa
plan t. permit exhibition of the pic
lures which would net them" $780,
900. She insisted that I'VE" and
them meant Smith and Attorney
General Daugherty.
Delayed BY Crowd.
Although scheduled to begin hear
ings at 10 o'clock, the committee was
half hour late getting under way, be-
cause of the confusion caused by the
great crowd of spectators which in
sisted in forcing its way into the
hearing room.
P. C. Quimby, taking the witness
stand. identified himself as a New
York motion picture producer, head
Of the Quimby Film Company.
You took the pictures Of the Demp-
sey-Carpentier fight" asked Senator
Wheeler.
Il was the producer"
"Are you acquainted with Jack
Kearns. the manager of Dempsey
Senator Wheeler proceeded.
"Yes"
with Tex Rickard?"
Yes"
Quimby told of his acquaintance
with William Orr and Jap Muma,
identified yesterday by CASTOR B.
Means as part owners of the Car
pentier-Dempsey fight film, but said
he did not know Jess Smith.
Senator Wheeler, asked if he knew
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