New Britain herald., 1924-08-13
LOEB, LEOPOLD ARE
 SAID TO BE SANE
econtlnusd from Firs rsge,

rick challenge certain sections of the "Rowman-H Hubert" report used by the defense alienlsls as basis for Their conclusions that Leopold and Loeb are mentally sick, Dr. Patrick said that he did not want to undertake off hand challenging Of any state ments in that reporl, and that he wished 10 see it Judge caNerly der elared a 10 minute recess, but com tinued the hearing when nr. Patrick said 10 minutes would not he suffi- eient to review the report, The mat ter was dropped for the time being.
 pr. Patrick said that in an inter view with the youths, Loeb saidi
 "God. l don't know"
 Various Explanations
 Previously. however, testified Dr. Patrick. Loeb had said in effect that 1t was for the thrill. the experience and the money.
 Leopold stated first that he thought he did 1t because Dick want cd 1t done" said Dr. Patrick. I asked him whether 1t was an idea Of matching his wits with those of the police and Leopold said "Yes. that might have had something to do with it."
 "Ransom had something to do with it.s declared Dr. Patrick. "That is explained by the way they had plan- ned 10 dispose Of 1t and the arrange ments they had made to hide 1t and how 1t was to he spent. The ransom was to be divided fifty-ffty, the boys told me-"
 The state released Dr. Patrick for cross examination, but he was ex- cused until the opening Of the after noon session to permit him to go over Inc Bowman-Hulbert report to "pick put what in his opinion were incon- yistencles."
 ten minute recess was, ordered liter which the state was to have Its second alienist testify.
 Jacob Franks, father of the mur- tered boy, spent the recess reading trough a stack of letters. His mail ,as been burdened heavily with all orts of letters since Bobby was slain.
 Second Alienist
 Dr. Archibald Church of Chicago, vas the second state alienist. He de- cribed himself as physician who las specialized In the study of ner- ous and mental diseases.
 Dr. Church said that he had exam | ned Loeb and Leopold on June 1, and | hat the youths had told all details of he crime.
 The state immediately asked him as 9 his conclusions regarding their rental conditions. but Benjamin 'achrach of the defense objected that he witness first should tell "every- hing that was done"
 Dr. Church'launched into detailed .ory of the crime as he said it had cen recited to him by Loeb and Leo- old.
 Loeb and Leopold eyed the witness ldlffirently as he went over the old round. The court room was breath ssly silent, as pr. Church talked.
 His story of the crime told, Dr. hurch continued:
 T asked Leopold why he did jt and almost trembled and answered be Id not know why.
 Loeb said they were aware at all mes or what they were doing. but at they were not quitters.
 asked If they did not want to l at the detective forces and they Id, that probably was part of it. During the taking of a f1ashIieb+ . cture or the murder car in the jail VI rd, photographer set off a fash ~ 'ht charge and Loeb collapsed . alnst the wall. Leopold looked at {. m sneerinsly and said, what I un- n rstood, poor weakling.' ',
 l asked Leopold what the ranso,, 4, d to do with it and he said if was v, secondary consideration, but of d lrse was of importance. oo o
 They also said it would be divided f, IF ana half. and 1t was understood n nc or the money was to be spent in f, lcaso within a year, but it might spent abroad" In MT. Sbarbaro asked whether nr fr urch had an opinion as to Loeb,, b, ntal condition when the crime was d, t'' ,t
 No Mental Disease s; There was no mental disease of es nature whatsoever" replied tbe III 'tor. The young man was entirely to ented, he knew who he was, whera af was, the time of day, his memory good, his power of observation H. re normal" TT IS to Leopold, Dr. Church said. on There was no evidence of any of htal disease. He was perfectly da 'nted, of good memory, extraor- Gi ary intellectual attainments, and of DC d Judgement" tn nat N-ray pictures of the pinesI nd in youth of 19 indicated if
 calclfed would be without sgni- na ce, said pr. Church. He said that pa frequently the pineal gland con- mt led quantity of gritty matter. an wn as brainsand and that under ha A-ray it would appear the pineal his Id had calcifed. The gland cal "h d at no special age, he said. tn; IT. H. s. Hubert defense alienist an advanced the theory of disorder wa endocrine glands. of which the tio 'al Is one, testified that calcihca- Of Leopold's pineal gland indicat- tw,