New Britain herald., 1924-08-06
NEITHER LEOPOLD
 NOR LOEB IS ID
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About hanging. he said in the most unemotional way that it would be too bad he would not get to read about it."
 Dr. Giueck said he had examined lot of hardened criminals, and in Loebs emotional response the com parison was extremely significant.
 He shows refinement and intellect, yet ho registers no emotional reaction to this crime" he said.
 Concerning I.oeb's "phantasy life" Dr. Glueck sad Loeb told of the origin of these phantasies particularly to- ward picturing himself in jail.
 Was Too Bright
 The witness said it was an unfor- tunate experience that Loeb so early in years, fourteen. started through col lege. He was not equipped. he de- clared, and so consistently indulged in "a number of dissipations, including drinking.
 His final relationship to the Franks situation was made possible by the strange and peculiar association which arose between Leopold and Loeb. From all l conclude my impression is definite that Loeb is suffering from a disordered personality, that the na- ture of his disorder primarily is pro- found dscord between his emotional and intellectual life, and this boy, while capable of orienting himself in- telectually, is quite incapable of en- flowing these surroundings with an adequate emotion. In his sense. he might be looked upon as disintegrat- ed"
 LcopoId's Examination
 Taking up his examination of Leo- pold Dr. Glueck continued:
 "The thing that impressed me was Leopold's extreme mental activity. throughout all my tests and contact. He possesses unusual intelligence. He has positive liking for using this in tellgence in augmentation and ill eX- position. started out by having him tell me of the Franks murder.
 He did not show the kind of emo- tional reaction one would expect. He has adhered to an egotistic philoso- phy. He thinks murder is justified to his own mind on the basis of his philosophy. In developing this phil osophy, it was very evident great source of pleasure to him was the en largcment of his ego.
 Leopold told me he had expressed this philosophy among his friends, teachers parents and others. In early life he undertook deliberately to kill in himself anything which had to do with feeling. sympathy, or ordinary human responsiveness and he has per sistently cultivated this attitude to- wards himself.
 He said he would rather hang than have the intimate details of this crime divulged. He is today Napoleon in his realm, hated by many but wor- shipped by others"
 During a ten minute recess, Eore- man Leopold, brother of Nathan and Allan Loeb, brother of Richard, press ed forward and were in earnest con- versation with the youths.
 Nathan F. Leopold Sr., wealthy box manufacturer and shipping man, re- mained disconsolately in his seat, deep wrinkles of anxiety marking his fore head.
 "Leopold's exposition of his phil osophy to me brought me to ask 1T he did not believe 1t was leading him 10 destruction" testified Dr. Glueck. He said, yes, but 1t did not make any difference.
 "He said even if he went to the gal lows, he wanted to show the world that he had been consistent to the very end and had shown no change in his reasoning with himself
 Phantasics at 9
 His phantasies began at years or age. Suffering was a part of these phantasies from the beginning. He was at times in the role of king and then q slave. There also came into his existence facility to inject this phantssy into real life"
 Mir. Grove requested that the wit ness 20 into detail on the various phsntasies and pr Glueck went over again most of the features which the
 her alienists already brought out. "I.eopolds relations with Loeb. I cannot n10PlSIdHu, Ntnt oh liic NOS- tor. He said he was devoted to him and was jealous of Loebs water and food because he could not become so close to him as those ingredients"
 Jeopold's devotion to his mother and aunt were almost like that for the madonna Dr. Glueck said. "He frequently so characterized them, holding them for devout worship"
 Leopold has so effectually trans formed his philosophy I think he is at present manifesting a paranoid per- sonality. in which a pathological en- lareement of his ego affects his judg- ment" Direct examination of Dr. Clueck was completed at 12:10 ?. m. and states Attorney Grove began cross examination
 In closing his direct testimony pr.