The Birmingham age-herald., 1924-08-08

I have goe to a point where we can't show that a witness has deliberately committed perjury by statements she made at another timer
 Rules For State
 Justice Caverly later ruled that the states attorney had right to read from the transcript made of the ques- tioning of Lorraine in his office.
 Pale and trembling, with her voice frequently faltering, Miss Nathan ad- mitted she had given certain answers to some questions and said she could not remember others. Through read ing q, leng list of questions and an- swers Grove showed that the girl had told him that she considered Loeb nor nal in every respect, that he was an idealist, that his attitude towards wom- en was a beautiful and spiritual one, and that she had never observed any thing irrational Tn his conduct.
 At the conclusion of Miss Nathan's cross-examination Grove suddenly turn ed to her and shouted:
 Were you lying in my office or have you been lying here? Which time did you tell the truth?''
 Before Darrow could get in an ob- jection, the girl replied:
 T lied neither time."
 After she left the stand Miss Ma than was greetetd affectionately by relatives of the boys. and she sat be- side them the rest of the day. It did not take her long to regain her com: posture.
 Schrayer, a sleek, smiling youth, was inclined to be rather facetious with Grove, who became angry and pro- tested. The witness frequently smiled at the defendants. He testified that during the time he lived in the frater- nity house at Ann Arbor with Loeb he observed a peculiar kind of nervous energy on his part.
 ''Was Very Childish"
 "Loeb gave me the impression that he was very childish" Schrayer said | And that was about the extent of his testimony although there was plenty of questioning and answering, while those in the courtroom became rest less.
 Edwin Meiss. young reporter from Cincinnati,' recently graduated from college and very, very serious about life's duties, his responsibility to so- ciety, and the sacred obligations rest ing on fraternity brothers, was the next witness. He readily admitted that he knew the defendant, Richard Loeb {; l that he became acquainted with him at the University of Michigan and that he observed him run upstairs and jump two or three stairs at a time. Meiss also testified that Loeb had tainted three times during initiation into his fraternity.
 | John Apt, a law student at the Uni versity of Chicago, resplendent in a nhauve summer weight suit, then took the stand and testified that he had known both Loeb and Leopold at the University of Chicago; that he has discussed philosophy with Leopold and that he regarded him as peculiar"
 Arnold Marmont, former University of Chicago student and once a friend of Loeb and Leopold, was the last witness of the day. He had been witness for the prosecution earlier in the trial. Marmont told how he and Leopold frequently had met and spent hours together for the purpose of dis cussing philosophy"
 He believed in his own happiness, regardless of all others" the witness said. He told me the only wrong he could conceive was that of something which failed to give him happiness"
 Darrow may place two more alien. ists on the stand. Friday. However, be- fore the defense introduces any more mental disorder testimony a number of college youths who have known the defendants for several years, will tes tify. As the case goes on it becomes apparent that the proceedings will con. tinue well on into next week and may f not be finished until the end of tht