The Birmingham age-herald., 1924-08-06
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oL questions, some apparently TlNIai, some important. By every method known to the logician he attempted to compel the physician to say the boys were insane or sane. Dr. Healy re- fused to use the words which, he said, had no meaning in medical science and merely were lawyers words"
 Dr. Glueck was the third of the bat tery of alienists retained by Clarence s. Darrow, chief defense counsel, to ap- pear as a witness. Drs. William White, of Washington, and William Healy, of Boston, had previously testified. And there are more to come.
 If Leopold and Loeb do not die on the gallows for thu fir crimes, it will largely be because u B millions of their families have made possible the .reten- tion of the most eminent specialists vn mental conditions in the country. For mental and physical abnormalities are the chief circumstances being offered in mitigation by Darrow in his effort to convince the judge that Leopold and Loeb, having pleaded guilty, should not hang. \
 When. the hearing is resumed Dr. Glueck expects to go into detail about the manner in which he drew on the teaching of Frued, regarded by many scientists as the only authori ative in terpreter of dreams and fantasies, to find out what led Loeb and Leopold to throw away their chances in life for a career of crime. In the dreams of the two youths, Dr. Glueck said, lies the reasons for their dual follies. That bound them to experiment with physi- cal and mental abnormalties, to develop decadence of mind ana body, in forms they had learned from intensive study of ancient and modern degenerates who put down their philosophies in writing
 This compact, so revolting that Jus tice Caverly would not permit testi- mony concerning it in open court, again was the subject of whispered confer ences Tuesday. Grove questioned Dr. Healy at length about it. The judge, Darrow, Benjamin Bachrach, Grove and court reporters huddled together around the bench as questions and an- swers flowed in an unceasing stream. It was disappointing moment for the curiosity seekers who damned the courtroom, a majority of whom were women, seemingly of all stations of life.
 Leopold and Loeb did not relish this secrecy nor did they enjoy the fact that the clock of mystery thrown around the proceedings at this point caused them to be the objects of prolonged and curious stares. These two killers do not mind being in the public eye, but they are particular, Loeb explained during re- cess, as to the things which cause them to be the exposure of all eyes.
 At this Justice Caverly Quelled what threatened to develop into heated yer bal clash between opposing attorneys. Then the whispering resumed and the mantle of secrecy again descended on the hearing where judge was trying to find out whether two young killers ought to feel the hangman's moose or go to prison.
 But not for long. Grove soon com. menced questioning Dr. Healy in somewhat oratorical fashion, and the physicians answers were hurled forth with equal vehemence.
 Jacob Franks, father of the slain boy, again was in court, a grim and wearied spectator. At the close of the days ses- sion he confessed that he was bewild- cred over the array of theories offered by alienists to account for the murder of his son.
 Franks BewiIdered
 ''It seems to me that the great fact of this case is in danger of being for Franks said. "It is simply this.. My little son, Robert, was murdered by these two young men, who admit they are sane. If that is the case, they de- serve to hang and I am determined to see the law carries out the proper course"
 Franks became deeply interested when Grove started to question Dr. Healy about the abnormalities of Leo- pold and Loeb. So did the defendants, but Leopold flushed at one of the ques- tions. Grove asked what specific abnor- malities the slayers practiced and Jus tice Caverly stopped him. He then abandoned this line of questioning.
 Shortly before Dr. Healy's cross ex- animation started Grove read to the witness a definition of insanity written by Dr. White. The definition was "in- sanity is a disorder of the mind, due to a disease of the brain, manifesting itself by a more or less prolonged departure