The Washington times., 1924-08-11
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!. Ills emotions were Immature an,
childish at the time Of this homicide
lie had only an academic realiza
ton Of what he owed to society
His mental disease at that time wa,
n definite factor in the crime."
..~'t Neither boy. in Doctor Hubert.
opinion, would have been capable O.
:. committing the crime alone, an,
neither would have committed Il
= had it not been for the definite
mental disease that afflicted then
both.
- Grove Attacks Testimony.
After Doctor Hubert had sum
med up his conclusions in Is min
..Otes, the alienist was turned over
to States Attorney Grove for cross
examination.
~. Groves first effort was designed
TO show that in all Doctor Hulbert's
experience he never had spent sc
much time or made such a pains
taking study Of two criminals.
e. Did you ever make such an
elaborate examination of any
cr1minal?" asked Grove.
NO." admitted Doctor Hubert,
= You say these men are abnor.
mall" said Grove. "What is a nor.
NAL persona"
I've never heard it defined"
"You define it."
II wouldn't care to-"
''Normality is Intangible isn't it?''
Hubert admitted it was.
DO you know one normal per-
son?' demanded Grove.
II think most persons are nor.
NAL" replied the alienist and then
went ahead under Groves direction
to say that balanced Judgment, right
thinking and bodily well-being con.
stituted his idea of q normal person.
NOrmality Varied.
Grove observed that normality
varied with geography.
=. whats normal here wouldn't be
Snormal in China, would it?''
=: IL assume not" admitted the doc.
tor.
Grove questioned Hubert closely
about his physical examinations OF
the two youths, and demanded to
know if there was anything in the
physical makeup OF the pair that
indicated they were abnormal men,
tally or criminals.
Hubert admitted that physical
:. examinations did not show mental
t-abnoramilities.
: "You have come to your conclu-
sions, them" said Grove, Through
: what these boys and their friends
have told you"
The psychiatrist replied that his
laboratory examinations had aided
him in reaching his conclusions.
= "The absence Of sugar IN Leo
pold's urine" he said, indicates to
me that his pituary gland is not
'functioning. That is mental"
Grove spent a long time trying
to find out just who made all the
tests on which Doctor Hubert
based his conclusions. Hubert said
they were technicians of a Patio.
logical laboratory. He could not re-
call the names.
-. '"These boys could cheat you on
these tests if they wanted to,
couldn't they?" asked Grove sar.
.castically.
mo, because I'm brighter than
they are"
-. do you mean Intellectually or
, emotionally?" asked Grove, while
q slight litter ran around the court
. room.
Both" said Hubert, imperturb.
ally.
>, Isn't it a fact you relied on
others, some Of whose names you
don't know, to give you the results
on which you base your conclu-
eions."
I'VE worked together" was the
reply.
The States attorney demanded
that the alienist describe an xray
machine and the technique Of TAX!
ing pictures.
- 81 will not" said Hubert.
- us it possible you don't know"
suggested Grove.
1T is not a branch Of medical
science in which 1 am a specialist"
replied the doctor.
Then you don't know anything
about it?"
That is not true"
Attorneys Wrangle.
A wrangle between the attorneys
followed, the defense Directing to
the character of questioning. Judge
: Caverly ruled that the alienist could
answer in his own awy to the best
of his knowledge, which Hubert
did
= Grove was still not satisfied.
: They argued about the technique Of
! taking x-ray pictures for a quarter
J of an hour.
|. Then Grove demanded to know
now Hubert had estimated the
emotional reactions were chose of a
! boy below the age Of puberty, and
!. cited one example Of this, the "ter.
rifle fuss" Leopold raised about
having a drop of blood taken from
his ear lobe in order to have a
blood test made.
Another thing that indicated the
!: lack of emotion in Leopold, the alien.
list said, was the fact that he never
: had any boyish love affairs.
! Did you ask the girls he ran
around with?" asked Grove.
mo, I'm able to make a psychi.
satric examination without examining
"a lot of sweethearts."
! Objects to Notes.
! Grove continually objected to
: Doctor Hulbert's using his volumi.
-nous notes in making replies, but
/. Hubert insisted upon doing 1t be.
cause he said the case was TOO
.;complex" to rely on memory.
/. Leopold's emotional reactions to.