The Washington times., 1924-08-02

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deputy minister of the De-
partment Of Civil re-establish-
ment of Canada.
king" of their compact and Leo.
pold the slave" He asked White
If he knew that Leopold and Loeb
were very intimate with third
boy, whether that would change
his idea of tho king-slave theory.
Il don't know anything about
any third boy" said White.
Time and again, in e dozen diff.
ferent ways, the States attorney
tried to get a flat. statement from
Doctor White as to whether Leo
pold and Loeb are sane or insane,
within the meaning of the law, but
every time the words legal In
sanity" or sane and insane" crept
into the questions, attorneys for
the defense raised objections and
always the court upheld them.
Bickering Constant.
The cross examination proceeded
with constant pickering between
the witness and the States at.
torney. They fought over terms,
and shades of meaning, and def.
nitions Of such words as RESPONSE
bility."
Grove insisted on straight ives"
or mo" answers to many Of his
Shrewd questions, all designed to
show that the young collegians
are sane and responsible for the
crime that has shocked Chicago as
has no other n history. But Doctor
White refused to give them in al.
most every instance, and they had
sharp wrangles over II. Judge
Caverly finally ruled that the
alienist could answer the Ques-
tons In his own way.
You said It was significant that
Loeb in talking with you would
begin a statement with now,
Teddy, because in his childhood he
used to take q teddy bear to bed
with him and talk to 1t. Do you
think that was voluntary" asked
Grove.
Suggests Defense Plot.
mo"
Grove then asked If DR.. White
did not think that Loeb had only
begun this after he was in jail
in other words, to establish the
basis of a defense Of mental sick
ness"
DR.. White replied that he had no
knowledge of that.
Grove grew sarcastic about DR..
Whites statement that he had
never discussed the crime itself in
detail with either Loeb or Leopold.
I'm determining their mental
state on May 21, you thought IL
was more important to inquire into
what happened when they were
five years old than it was to ascer.
tain the details Of this astounding
crime, didn't you?" demanded the
States attorney.
THAT isn't a fair statement" re.
piled White, II already knew the
details Of the crime"
you were not even sufficiently
interested to inquire who did the
actual MURDER" sarcasticalIy in
quired Grove.
Knew Actual Slayer.
II already knew when / got
through with my examination, with.
out asking"
White testified yesterday that in
his opinion Loeb welded the chisel.
Have you told US all about your
examinations
"No, I didn't mention yesterday
a conversation had with Babe,
about what he would do II this
case went against him.
He said that II It went against
him and he was sentenced to hang,
he would accumulate or write down
ten Of the worlds great riddles,
have them put in safe deposit
vault, have commission Of sci.
entists appointed, and then after
death he would try to solve these
riddles In a spirttualistic sense from
the other side.
Tie also told me that probably
several months would elapse be.
tween his sentence and his execu-
ton, and that would give him time
to write his philosophy and give
it to the world: that he was now
in a position, so to speak, where
the world was his audience and
would listen to him.
Philosophy Selfish.
"He admitted that 1t was q phil.
osophy of utter selfishness, and IL
universally adopted would lead to
world destruction"
Grove then went into the aspect
Of the lying habits which Doctor
White said both boys had con-
tracted in their childhood. He
asked Doctor White II he thought
the boys had told him the truth.
Nathan was frank and think
truthful Doctor White said. HE
knows where he Is every minute"
Loeb, did not always stick to the
straight line OF truth, he said,
though he thought Dicly "had been
truthful"
"If they lie to you, then your
conclusions are worth nothing?"
asked Grove.
don't think they lied"
Doctor White related several con.
versations with the boys regarding
their early criminal careers, how
they set fire 20 shacks, broke wind
shields in parked automobiles, stole
from their college fraternity bro
thara ate