The Indianapolis times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1922-1965, 1924-08-11

a smile toward the youthful college
graduates.
Does that go for the precocious
Mr. Leopold as well as Loeb?"
Yes, sir"
Credibility Assailed
Grove assailed the credibiIity Of
DIR. Hubert as a witness, repeatedly
drawing admissions that the witness
himself had not conducted several of
the laboratory tests and that he
could not give the names Of labora-
| tory experts who made them.
Grove consumed considerable time
in the examination of DR.. Hubert.
demanding the witpess give full and
detailed definitions of several highly
technical terms which he used In
direct examinations.
DR.. Hubert was asked to explain
how thoroughly he was acquainted
with the sex life Of Leopold and
Loeb During the course of this
examination. Grove asked the wit
ness whether his opinion Of Loeb
would be changed II he knew that
Dickie had a social disease at the
age of 10. The doctor said ut
might"
/ Throughout his examination of DR..
Hubert, Grove endeavored to show
the youthful physician did not I'M
Gsrstand fully some Of the technical
| terms he used when questioned by
/ the defense. Several times Grove
broke in with the following ques-
tons:
"As a matter Of fact, doctor, you're
not exactly sure what you're talking
about. are your"
| Each time the witness. although
obviously annoyed. snapped back:
! Certainly I do
! Court recessed at noon with DR..
Hubert still on the stand.
| barrow hopes to resi- his case this
afternoon with few lay witnesses.
barrow decided at the last minute
to use no more medical experts in
the defense case and is understood
| to have reached an agreement with
States Attorney Grove whereby the
/ State Will call no more than. four
alienists-the same number that
testified for the defense.
Brothers to Testify
Among the lay" witnesses to be
used by barrow are Foreman Leo
pold and Allen Loeb, older brothers
of the slayers. and Jacob Loeb.
Dickie's uncle. Nathan Leopold ST..
although a daily attendant at the
hearing. probably will not be called.
Loebs father and mother are i'll at
their summer retreat in Michigan.
Jacob and Allen Loeb and Fore
man Leopold will offer only strictly
impersonal" testimony, barrow said.
These will not discuss the activities
of Nathan and Richard. but will
simply identify numerous defense ex-
hibits.
The State, when its turn comes,
will call first upon DR.. William o.
krohn, Chicago alienist, Grove an
nounced.
bald CHURCH and Hugh T. Patrick
also will be used by the State in its
effort to show Leopold and Loeb are
sane and entirely responsible.
Among the two score lay witnesses
which Grove may use are University
Of Chicago professors, students and
friends of the two defendants.
Report Of DIR. James Whitney Hail.
chief of the defense alienists and
the man who organized all the de-
Tense medical evidence, has been
made public.
Leopold and Loeb, according to
DR.. Halls report are "psychopathic
interiors" a term which he says is
practically synonymous with a nor
NAL imbicility, normal deficiency"
moral insanity" and 'impulsive
insanity"
Unfit for Society
''Their makeup units them for
any part in society,"" the report
states. They are both anti-social
and unsocial in all their conclusions
They would not be satisfied in
heaven and they probably would
wreck hell.
They are ships with sails, but
they have no anchors.
Loeb, the infantile adult with
highly perverted emotions, has no
philosophy or law that directs him.
He simply commits crime because he
wants to. He gives no adequate ex-
planation-if there could be one. His
feeling toward his mother, toward
his brothers Is so highly anti-social
that he Is a dangerous man.
Leopold, on the contrary, has a
definite philosophy based entirely
upon an egocentric center. Highly
intellectual, with perverted ideas of
greatness and Importance, these
IDEAS carry him away and apart