The Winslow mail., 1923-02-02

A.-1eS, SIT.
eff it is not in good order they
put bad order card on it and SET it
out
A-Yes, sir.
Q.-Then when the tarin is made
up to go out it is made up in the yard,
and in it are placed only cars found
on inspection to be in good order?
A-Yes, sir.
Q-When the locomotive comes in
the locomotive is turned over to the
roundhouse and there are inspectors
there whose duty it is to inspect the
locomotive to ascertain whether or
not it Is il good order is that tire?
A.-Yes, sir.
O.-And when the locomotive has
been properly inspected and such re-
pairs as are deemed necessary are
made, it is set out for use, is that
right?
A.-The locomotive, if there is any
thing wrong with it the engineer re-
ports that?
Q-How is that?
A.-The engineer reports anything
Q--But in addition to any report
that the engineer makes-he is not
supposed to get down and crawl un-
der the locomotive looking for defects
is he?
Al don't know.
Q.-Havent they a regular force of
inspectors whose duty it is to inspect
every locomotive after it comes off of
it's run?
Al imagine they have.
Q.-And when the locomotive, if it
is in good order, has been placed in
good order ready to go, card is hung
up for the engineer to observe who is
to take that locomotive out, showing
the condition that it is in?
Al understand that is the method
used by the Santa Fe and other rail-
roads.
Off the engineer goes out and
says that in his judgment that loco
motive is not in good order and isn't
safe, but the master mechanic or his
representative, says that it is, the en-
gineer must either take that locomo-
tive out or loose his job mustn't he?
Ale can, as he should, and as
other train service employees do, re-
fuse to take it out if it is in defective
condition to the extent that he be-
lieves his life would be in jeopardy.
Q-And do you understand that if
he does that, that he forfeits his posi-
tion on the road?
Ale may be taken out of service,
and he, may then file his grievance
under the contract, and if found in
nocent and if reinstated he would be
paid for the time lost, as provided by
the contract.
Q.-But in actual practice, you hav-
ing occupied position where you
have an opportunity to observe such
things, you know that that does not
work out, don't you?
Al am in position to state that it
works out, and if a man is found inno-
cent he is returned to the service, and
he is paid for time lost.
Q--Is it the fact that under the
rules that you speak of the judgment
of the yard men, or the master me-
chanic, both, as to the condition of
the locomotive and the cars is the de-
termining factor as to whether they
are in good condition or not?
A.-Do you mean if they determine
that it is in safe condition?
A.-Yes, sir.
Q.-They might be of that opinion,
but the engineer, who has had actual
might be of different
opinion, and because of that differen-
ce of opinion the engineer might de-
cline to go out on that engine, and
they might discipline him for it, and
tracts that he can file his grievance
in an orderly way, and take it up with
the proper officers of the company,
and after a thorough investigation if
the man is found innocent the con-
tract provides that he shall be return
ed to the service and paid for all time
lost.
Q.-How then do you say that there
were no such grievances pending at
the time that you were down there?
A.-So far as my organization is
concerned 1 failed to receive legiti
mate grievance.
Q.-Now then as far as your organ
ization was concerned, these members,
if they followed the rules of the or
ganization, didn't present their griev-
ances to you at all did they?
A.-They are not required to present