New Britain herald., 1923-11-15
O'RYAN IS OUT ID
 'GET EX-DIRECTOR
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nection with the Sutherland construc- tion company.
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ton as mechan1cal engineer in thu bureau to George B. Tullido, Jr., . brother of Mrs. Mortimer. He wa! 22 years old and his salary, Forbes said. was s3,0Oo year.
 Do you swear that that appoint. n1ent was not made to please aMrs Mortimer" asked O'Ryan.
 I swear" said Forbes.
 O'Ryan wanted to know if Eorbe. knew that E. Tripp of the supply di. vision of the bureau had put the proceeds from the Perryville. Mary land. sale of supplies in the bank ir Tripp's name.
 T heard about it when 1 returned from New York" Forbes said. 'It was an unusual occurrence. oi course"
 Committee counsel asked whai safeguards there were to prevent this practice.
 ''The matter was in the hands of the finance division" the witness re- piled.
 General O'Ryan's cross examination was sharp and several times he de- clined to permit Forbes to supple ment his direct answers.
 Cant I answer these questions in my own way?" asked Forbes.
 No Speeches Wanted
 You have answered." O'Ryan said and I don't want you taking up the committees time making stump speeches"
 T think Colonel FSrbes should be allowed to explain his direct an- swers" said Chairman Reed, "hut the explanation should not be an ar gument.
 No argument, Mir. Chairman" said Forbes.
 He was being cross questioned about the employment of Matthew o'Rrien, a San Francisco architect who prepared the unused plans of the Livermore, Calf, hospital .<
 Forbes said hc employed o'Brien; that President Harding had told him to get a competent architect suitable to the California congressional delega- ton.
 And ] presume that's the way the government employees have been se- lected since the days of Andrew Jackson" observed Senator Reed.
 Forbes said there had been some report about alleged incompetency of oBrien as an architect for hospitals, but added that his plans had been approved by the medical division and others charged with such rosponsi- bility
 The witness said he never was strong for the appointment of an architect for Livermore.
 DO you now swear that you think tho appointment Of an outside archi- tcct for Livermore was justified 2" asked o'Ryan.
 "1 cannot answer that question: .' said the witness, but o'Ryan pressed him,
 Docs the question ombarrass you?" he asked.
 Certainly not l think l have an- svered that quosiion:'1 have stated the appointment was made by di- rection."
 "All right. let it go." said o'Ryan.
 Let's not contemplate any such thing"
 Senator Cummins presented the Dos Moincs invitation, declaring the psychological effect Of holding tho convention on the Iowa statc fair grounds on the outskirts Of Des Moines would be well worth consld- cring.
 Picture the reaction that would follow the announcement that tho convention would be held in tho cen- ter Of the agricultural region Of the United States" he said. This would show the interest Of tho republican party in and sympathy with agri- cultural problems.
 Make tho next convention of tho republican party picnic on the Iowa state fair grounds"
 Senator Cummins and Ralph IT. FaNon of tho Des Moines Chamber of Commerce promised that Des Moines would pay all the expenses of the convention and Of the national committee and would pledge roason- able hotel rates.
 Asked about the testimony Of Di- rector Frank T. Hines Of tho bureau that when he came into office the work was in confusion because Of the use of pink slips to rush through claims Of certain veterans, Forbes said the work was not in confusion, bui that pink slips were used.
 They always were used" he added. T think they use white slips now" The witness said he could not re- call who told him this.
 O'Ryan read a report from E. A. Graupner of San Francisco Legion had advised Forbes of charges of corruption in connection with Biver- more. The document declared there were reports that l.. F. Johnson. who sold the site. had said he had to pay out szB,0o0 of the purchase price to he sent to Washington. The report also referred to rnmor that the s25.o0 was 10 Dc split between Forbes and Charles r. Cramer. gem eral counsel of the bureau. and that 100 cases of wine were to be sent to Washington for Forbes Cramer and an unnamed third person.
 Forbes said that to the best of his knowIedge and belief the American Legion officers had made no such re- port to him. Pressed by O-Ryan for a more definite answer. he replied: That was more than q year ago, you say. have been iii for months with fever and unconscious much of the time. You cant expect my mind to be as clear as yours"
 "Oh. never mind about all that" said O'Ryan.
 Personal Question .sOn october q. last WAS an action