The New York herald., 1922-10-10
Mrs. Hayes and Mrs. Schneider Sure
Their Sons Could Commit No Crime

Mrs. Mary Hayes, mother Of the boy
now held in connection with the murder
of the rector and the choir singer, Is Ill
at her home, as a result of the latest in
vestigations of prosecuting officials. AL
though she was unable to talk with re-
porters she authorized the following
statement. through her son, Joseph. "a,
a brother of Clifford
I'VE will fight the case to a finish il
we have to mortgage our little home to
do 1t. Il love every hair In my boys
head; and 1 know he never could have
committed such terrible crime. I am
sure that never would he have hurt
anyone. He has been staying at home
during the past three weeks because I
am Ill, and need his help at home. Be-
fore that he always worked steadily at
his printing trade. / have hired Joseph
Haggerty to defend him, because l know
he Is not guilty"
Mrs. Hayes is a comely woman. more
than middle aged already. showing the
Effects of the terrible ordeal TO which she
has been subjected in the last few days.
She lives with her sons in neat two
story frame cottage at 80 Wyckoff
street. Joseph Hayes who also is a
printer, did most of the talking. his
mother adding a word now and then.
Joseph said:
"They may swing my brother for
this. but they will never prove him
guilty.
II guess the Governors action In the
case made 1t necessary to find some
goat. and they are going to make my
brother that goat. We are never allowed
to have any firearms. My father was
dead set against it, and the statements
that Clifford was always carrying a
gun are not true. understood they've
got little 22 callber single action re-
volver, which they say belongs to him,
but 1 never heard of .22 callber gun
shooting the .32 caliber. automatic bull
let's with which those people were
killed.
Mrs. Schneider Trusts Son.
Mrs. Edward Schneider, mother Of
Raymond Schneider. who Is said to have
accused Clifford Hayes OF the murder.
together with her sister. Miss Mary
Conboy, and her husband. expressed
had nothing to do with the crime Mrs.
Schneider was so badly upset by the In
terview that she tainted twice.
do you think he would have stayed
around here all this time II Raymond
had been the murderer" she asked.
"He has been just as normal and quiet
during the last tew weeks as he ever
was. playing the piano or victrola. and
| showing that nothing was weighing on
his mind.
you know he couldn't have been
so carefree IL there had been anything
like that terrible Hall murder on his
mind. He lie my boy. and love him.
but II he weren't my boy / should still
know that Ray never could have COM
mitted such murder. When his
brother Harold died he could not bear
TO look at the body, so sensitive Is he
about such things"
With this statement Mrs. Schneider
became so upset that she was obliged
TO go upstairs and lie down Mr..
Schneider said:
1--WE can only hope for tho best His
actions since the time OF the crime and
the willing manner In which he has an
swered all questions put to him by any
one convince me that he is thoroughly
innocent. and will prove himself So"
Leon Kaufman. one of the young
boys on whose testimony the prose-
cutting officials are seeking to weave a