Evening public ledger. [volume] (Philadelphia [Pa.]) 1914-1942, 1922-10-13

After smoking We will 20 home, UP
College through Huntington street and
Hayes and l went. Hayes left me at
Huntington street and Sicard ] went
home and Hayes went from Huntington
street to his home. went to bed
Is that true or not? A. 1t Is rot true.
Also Regulates Later Statement
O. It is not true in SO far as 1t takes
you on the Phillips property and in 80
far as it relates TO any shooting! A.
1t is not
O. On October q you made further
statement to correct any inaccuracies in
any statement you made before. DO
YOU remember that? A. Yes, sir; it
was on Monday.
Q. And in that statement you said.
"I made this statement to Mr.. David
and MIR. Dckman without any force.
threat or promise of reward, and l
understand that this statement can be
used against me- but | am telling the
truth. just ns soon as the shots were
fired at the crab apple tree and the
woman and man were killed, then !
knew that mistake had been made. be-
cause they did not seem to be Mr.. Bah
lli'l ul'I NilI' uN'uhct IT utu Ipt i'pN
like them from n distance. What made
me say that was because Pearl did not
have hat when she first started out
going up George street, when l first saw
her and her father. Because ! saw Il
hat | did not see what color II was.
Then il was in back of her head about
q foot. In hnck of her head lying on
the ground. When | looked the man
was not dressed as I saw Mr.. Bnhmer
dressed when he was coming up. Then
| knew that a mistake had been made,
and that some enc else had been killed
instead of Mr.. Bahmer and Pearl.
was then about four feet from the body.
| am not getting my imagination mixed
up on Thursday with what ! saw on
Saturday. A. this time | was about
four feet from the body and did nor
see the struggle At this time Clifford
Hayes stood on the left hand of the
body. ] was standing on the right and
th" bodies were between rs. | did not
see whore Clifford put the pistol Then
| walked toward Dcrussy'S Lane and
then through the lane. and then walked
toward Eastern avenue: then Clifford
Hayes overlook III" on the lane near
Eastern avenue That was about ff-
teen or twenty minutes after the shoot
ing had happened. II was | o'clock or
80 4. VI. Was that statement true
or untrue: \. Absolutely untrue.
lie Exonerates Hayes
=. Particularly. in SO far as it
charged Clifford Hayes with the shooting
at the bodies that were found under the
rrahapplc tre" by you the next Satur-
day: A. Yes, sir.
=. DO you remember being con-
front"d with Hayes in the back room
Of IN" Prosecutor office last Sunday
night: A. Yes. sir
.. And do you remember charging
hin to his fnCe with what you said in
these various statements that you have
made: \. Yes. sir.
q. And hc said you were liar. did
he not: 4. Yes, sir.
=. Now who was the liar. he or
you: \. l was.
q. Now can you think of any other
reason why you should have lied about
Clifford Hayes on last Sunday night or
any other time other than YOU have
already given, a. No, sir. cannot
O. You lied about him because you
were sore on him: \. Yes. sir.
=. You were asked on all occasions
and by everybody to tell the truth:
4 y. les. Slr.
His Heart Goes Out to Hayes
.. Mr.. Totten particularly, and on
many occasions. asked you repeatedly TO
tell the truth and nothing else. did he
not: \. Yes. sir. am very sorry
did not take his word. Yesterday ! had
been looking for Mr.. Totten, but could
, not see him.
/ =. Why were you looking for Mr..
! Totten yesterday? A. To tell Mr.. Tot
ten TO get this thing settled. My heart
goes out for Hayes parents and my
own people. That was the reason was
looking for Mr.. Totten.
q. Ar" You sure that you remembered
! that Hayes contradicted you? A. Yes,
Sir.
=. On the occasion you speak Of? 4
Yes. sir; they both contrudicted me.
was telling the truth then. but they
both lied, Pearl Bahmer and Clifford
Hayes. They knew down in their hearts
! that they We're lying.
Signed
RAYMOND SCHNEIDER.
, uCountersigned)
George H. Totem. James Major.
&. +. lioasIand and William :.
Woodruff.