The Lake County times. [volume] (Hammond, Ind.) 1906-1933, 1922-05-16
GEO. REMUS
ONE: Of THE
DEFENDANTS
State Director Tells About
Effort Made by Whiskey
Men to Bribe Him

CINCINNATI. o.. May 1s-Bert
Morgan. federal prohibition director
for Indiana, testified in the whiskev
conspiracy trial in United States dis
trict court saturay that John Geh-
rum and Glenn Herbes, two of the
fourteen defendants, told him in an
| indianapolis hotel early this wear
that they had "a wonderful organi-
zatioh and that he could make
quite a large sum of money if he
Wou'd %. h" permits for the. with
/ drawal Of whiskey from distiIIeries
in Indiana
Morgan testified that In the
course of the conversation the two
men informed him that George E.
Remus, principal defendant in the
conspiracy case. was a member of
the Organization. They told hin,
that Remus was in the financial
end"
Morgan said he rejected their pro-
posaL The entire matter was re-
ported later to the indianapolis
grand jury. he added
| NET IN INDIANAPOLIS
Morgan was one of the prohibi-
| tion officials who aided in the raid
on the Dater farm last October ON
taking the stand he said he had met
Gehrum and Herbes IN Indianapolis
| and had held a conversation with
them in a room at the Edwards ho-
tel, that city. He was asked 70
give the details of this conversa-
ton.
The first time Mr. Moore and
were in the federal prohibition dir
ector's office on Sunday morning"
he testified. "Herbes and Gehruu
came there and set and talked
Juite while. The conversation
was general.
| After get home and was eat
ing dinner Gehrum called me on
| the phone. I recognized his voice.
| he said he wanted to talk, but
Moore was there and he didn't know
whether to say anything or not.
Il went TO the Edwards hotel on
Sunday afternoon. to Moores room.
told them that's where I would
be. Herbes and Gehrum came to
the room. They stated that what
| they wanted to talk about was ra-
ther a delicate matter. They talked
rather freely. They said everybody
got theirs. why couldn't I get mine.
| They went on to say how much
money was in it"
In what?" District Attorney Nor
row asked.
In the liquor. They said they
had wonderful organization. They
connected Mr.. Remus up with all
of it,"
| WISHED TO WITHDRAW
The reference to Remus was
stricken out when the defense OBJ
jected.
They wanted TO withdraw liduor
out of the distilleries in Indiana.
They said they wanted me to o. X.
the permits. They went on to say
the amount of money in ii for me
would be quite large sum. told
them my answer. not in a million
years and they said that that was
their information. They had chec-
ked up on me at Indianapolis and
| Washington and knew they could
not reach me, but the organization
had told them to get an answer"
How did they connect Mr.. Re
mus's name with the conversation
They spoke Of Mr. Remus being
part of the organization"
How long did the conversation
last and what transpired them"
Il guess the conversation lasted
about an hour. and after I gave rny
answer. they did not press it and
shook hands and left"
Mr.. Morgan said tne two men said
f@l
and Greendal distilleries at Law
renceburg, Ind. and the Hammond
Distillery, at Hammond. Ind. He
said also they had referred to the
government raid at a place they
called the Hole in the Ground"
this being one of the names for the
Dater farm, near westwood.
What did they say about that
raid?"
They said that was water over
the dam. They were not interested
in that, but were interested In the
future"
HAD FINANCIAL END.
Did anyone else. and when. ap-
proach you concerning the organi-
cation you spoke of
Mr. Baldwin
The defense objected TO the ans
wer as having no connection with
the case Judge Peck allowed the
answer TO stand Mr.. Morgan was
questioned further about references
to Remus in the conversation.
What was said about Mr.. Remus
in the conversation?
They talked ABOUT Mr.. Remus
during all of the conversation, said
he was one of them"
Did they tell you what part he
took in the organizations"
II believe ithey inferred that he
had the financial end. That was
the substance of what they said