New-York tribune., 1922-03-09
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dependent government. and particularly
to secure the restoration Of tho great
province Of Shantung to the Chinese
Empire. to which it rightfully belonged
I'VE succeeded before the close OF
the conference IN attaining all these
objects. The treaty now before us ter
inmates tic Anglo Japanese alliance
Personally, ! believe, rs have indi-
Gated. that it involves the United
states III no obligation. except to meet
with the other sgnatories and consult
IN case of any controversy arising or
III case OF aggression by some outs id
power not a sgnatory. ! repeat thas
+. think the obligation to meet and con =
suit is the only obligation existing in
this treaty. and the main purpose Of
tho treaty is attained by the tcrmina.
ton Of the Angl Japanese alliance.
Menace 10 Peace Removed
1T is not necessary for me TO go
into detail rs 10 the reasons for my
opinion as to the great Importance of
this single achievement. 1t is sufl-
Gent to say that. in my Judgment, the
Anglo Japanese alliance WAS the most
dangerous element in our relations
with the Far East and with the Pacific.
Vclop into hatreds and hAtreds which
develop into war. The Anglo-Ja apancse
alliance caused a growing feeling Of
suspicion not only in the United States
but in Canada. On the other aide it
tended to give n background 10 japan
which encouraged the war spirit and
large preparations both BY land and
sea for future conflict. II immobilizcd
England and prevented the exercise of
her influence in the East for the cause
of peace, and peace is distinctly in her
interest in that great region. That
menace to peace is removed by the
tour-power treaty"
Senator Lodge discussed the Anglo
Japanese alliance at some length and
told, among other things, OF the de
sire Of Canada to have the alliance end
cd and OF the attitude Of Australia
and New Zealand, which were "unwi)i-
ing to have tho alliance terminated
unless some other arrangement WAS
made
Denies Charge OF Secrecy
Replying to Senator Hitchcock. Nc
denied the proceedings relative to the
treaty were "shroudcd with secrecy
"There was really nothing to con-
ceal,' said Senator Lodge. "Ihe pur-
pose Of the meetings was the termina-
zion Of the Anglo-Japancsc alliance and
the agreement on the two very simple
articles which preceded it.'
He held it was wholly unimportant
that there we're tentative drafts or
different drafts, q point stressed by
Senator Hitchcock.
Senator Reed questioned Senator
Lodge as to whether the negotiations
were given to the press. Senator Lodge
had said the negotiations we're chiefly
conversations.
NO" said Senator Lodge. q do not
think anybody repeated the conyersa-
tions and gave them TO the press
A colloquy followed between Scna-
tors Lodge and Reed over the Inclusion
Of the homeland Of Japan in the four
pover treaty. Senator Lodge said
there could be no question about it q
originally phrascd.' He held that it
did include the homeland OF Japan and
went on to say the repre- escntatiVe of
Japan objected to the inclusion Of ia
pan. Answering a question as to why
Japan objected, Senator Lodge said:
LAS understand 1t, the objection Of
Japan was that the mainland, OF home
land, OF the other three powers was
not included. and they feit that it
might De a reflection on her if she alone
were included,'
"The porpoSc Of the treaty. con
tinued Ser@&r Lodge. was to include
all the insufar dominions and posses
SONS Of the four signatory powers. and
by using the words 'insular dominions
and insular possessions carefully to
exclude continents. and that was the
phrase selected in order to reach that
purpose. II We had said 'insuar do
minions and irsular possessions. the
island Of Japan, being an insular do
minion of Japan in the Pacific Ocean,
would be incuded.'
81 understand that it is included in
The term, but that is not the only term
in the English language that could have
been employed,' said Senator Reed.
No said Senator Lodge, mo doubt
the Senator could have found . better
one, but that was the one that seemed
TO the delegation to cover it,
"You found it necessary afterward
to straighten, out the matter, to make
q second trcaty?' asked Senator Reed
We found it necessary,' replied
Senator Lodge. Ito comply with the
wishes Of Japan. Nobody considered
it Of any Importance whether the home
islands OF Japan were included or
not"
Reed Brings Up Saghalin
Una Coi NcCN llitI dSEPQ OuPStlOnS
about specifically including the south
ern half of Saghalin in the treaty ard
whether anything was said about
liability of controversy over that
region.
mo suggestion was made about it
at all that am aware Of said SEN
ator Lodge.
Senator Reed insisted that saehalin
was useful and important base for
the Japanese in their occupancy of the
mainland of Siberia. Senator Lodge
SAID he cid not think SO.
as it not almost incvitable," asked
Senator Reed, that il Russia under
takes to eXpel the Japanese fsom Rus
sia the fight will be carried 20 this
island -
"Rcally," said Senator Lodge. T can
not undertake, to predict what future
wars may do
Answering question of Senator
Pomerene, Senator Lodge said he did
not know whether other drafts OF the
treaty were in the possession of the
Secretary of State or were kept at all.
ANY future trouble over Saghalin be-
tween Japan and Russia, he asserted in
response to question by Senator
France. would not involve the United
States.
Senator Lodge then proceeded to
give in detail the areas and popula-
tons Of the islands owned by different