The New York herald., 1922-10-26

not go INTO tnht business.
att appears here that lynch collects
the proceeds of these three buses of
yours-101. 102 and 442?"
81 have told him to-"
What kind of arrangement have pou
got with him.
None at all no arrangement, ex-
cept that he collects the money from
the three buses, pays all expenses in
Guiding hire of chauffeurs. and takes
the balance and deposits 1t to my credit
In the Corn Exchange Bank, Eighty
sixth street branch"
Can, Lynch draw checks on that ac-
count?"
mot unless I give him my power
CT attorney, which I do not"
Mccarthy admitted that his chauf-
feurs were paid only s35 for a seven
day week. and when Shearn asked him
II they had daily nine hours shift he
replied: 81 guess ii Is moro thai that !;
/ guess II is ten hours
And Lynch attends to all these de-
tails for you without getting any COM
pensation from you?'
Il never gave him anything yet. There
is no more trouble to him looking after
the details of six huses than of three
Us Lynch supposed to get a share of
the profits of operation?'
mo such arrangement ever was made.
don't know what he supposes. / can't
tell what he may be thinking Of"
But so far as any claim Is concerned,
he just does all that work for you and
does not get any pay out of it?'
That is correct"
do you know where ne deposits the
receipts of these three other Uynch)
cars?'
why, think he told me in the same
bank-the Corn Exchange. Eighty-sixth
street branch"
But not in your account"
II hope not"
How does It come about that Billy
Murphy goes up there and collects the
proceeds from these cars sometimes?"
Il put him there. This Billy Murphy
is one William Murphy. one of the men
who enlisted in the Sixty-ninth Regi-
ment during the war and stayed over
seas a couple of years and then came
back here and went in my employ in
the building material business. He re-
signed and / put him on the bus line
to help Mr.. Lynch, as I thought Lynch
ought to have an assistant in case he
took sick"
The Political Aspect.
Let us see, are you the same Mr.. Nc
Carthy who was a defendant in that
Hartog suit growing out of the Corn
Products Refining Company litigation?'
"The same man." replied the witness
nonchalantly.
You formerly were partner of
Charles F.. Murphy"
II never was a partner of Charles F..
Murphy, but great friend of his, or
which I am very proud"
oI1 hg T
are very close to Mayor Hylan too. are
you not?'
Yes; ] thought he was a good man
to run for Mayor five years ago when
so many people were looking for the
nomination. was very proud he was
nominated and elected
You are the discoverer of Mayor
Hylan?"
II don't think so. think the people
discovered him.
You were the treasurer Of the Hylan
committee of 107 that put him in nom
ination, weren't you?'
Yes. sir, and collected campaign con-
tributions and paid out more than .col
lected-went into my own pocket deeply
and never asked him for any favors
either"
No just called up Wbalen on the
telephone---J'
THAT was not asking a favor. That
was doing a favor to the city. giving
them good buses instead OF dilapidated
ones. When these bus lines started they
got a lot of dilapida.ed buses from
Newark and Connecticut. driven by the
worst kind of chauffeurs in the world
1t was a godsend to get some real red
blooded Americans with good buses TO
take their places
ut is a great Improvement, I con-
cede, but the bad part is having all this
politics mixed In with it."
Hasn't there been politics since the
world was known? And are you going
to try to stop it?'
the things that have been going on In
connection with this bus business" re-
torted Shearn.
when Mayor Hylan had his first
meeting during the 1917 campaign with
Mr. Murphy" went on the examiner,
you were the one who brought II about,
we're you not?"
YES. sir; / introduced him to Mr..
Murphy"
well, that was an historic occasion"
1T Is past history-ancient history"
replied Mccarthy.
Although 1t hasn't anything to do
with the DuJ business, said smear n,
"the remark that you have Just inter-
jected leads me to ask you another
question. IL you don't mind answering =.
What are you paying per square yard
to the city for the rent of yorr sand
and gravel yard at Rivington street.
East River?"
What has that got TO do with the
transit situaton7' flashed back the
politician, who now for the first time
showed some heat.
You don't want to answer that?"
''No, sir II is documentary evidence.
can tell you l have been tenant there
for thirty-one years. / am answering
you In regard to transit, Judge, and /
don't want you TO try "a make any record
that because I was a friend of Mayor
Hylan that ] got a couple OF buses.
That is not Fit business fer anybody to
go into but a chauffeur. You couldn't
make enough money in it to buy a bew
suit of clothes with"
Shearn asked and Mccarthy agreed
that to-day he will send down to the
commission the bank book containing
his deposits in the Corn ExchAs1Je
brahch bank.
Thomas f. Lynch was reached with
subpoena last evening and It is OK
pected he will be called when the exam
lnation is continued this afternoon.