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The Denver Jewish news., 1922-08-09

ed sunday for their home.
Mrs Llewllyn Beer returned this
week from a two months s0journ in
California.
Mcsdames Henry Frankel. and Lulu
Frankel entertained with luncheon
Mt Baurs Saturday complimentary to II
few visitors.
Mr.. and Mrs. Charles Ornaner
II from III Pnso. Texas, arrived i'm the
city Sunday to remain until the first
of September. the house guests of Mr..
and Mrs. II. Ornauer.
Mrs. Berthold Flesher accompanied
! by her daughter, Miss Beatrice
FIeSher will return Thursday from
| California Miss FleSher will spend
n month with her parents before re
| turning to Stanford University.
Mrs. Goldman and baby returned
Saturday after two months visit with
her mother in Chicago.
Mr.. and Mrs. Walter Appel enter
tanned the \. X. club in their home
Wednesday.
The Picnic club was entertained
Tuesday mt Berkeley Park. The hos
tesscs were Mes,ames William O'Garo
and Max Fischer.
Mrs. Al Neuman and Mrs. Jewel
Gleberman left Sunday for Idaho
Springs to be gone one week.
Mrs. Louis Levy and daughter Miss
Aadlinc Levy from Kansas City are
guests in the city.
Mrs. Louis Aufenger will he the
hostess of grand mothers luncheon
Thursday.
Mr.. and Mrs Percy Morris. Mr. and
Mrs. Jack Sandro are spending II week
at Estes Park.
Mr.. and Mrs. Sol Levy. Mr.. and
Mrs Morton Rechnitz. Mr.. and Mrs
Romeo I.indenhaum motored to Mt.
Vernon canon for II beefsteak fry.
Miss Minnie Schneiderman eyer
tanned group of her friends nj cards
Tuesday evening at her new home
1l5J Corona.
The Misses Sarah Greenwald and
Marion Glazer spent their vacation III
Pueblo and Mantou. together with II
number of other Denver girls.
The marriage of Miss Helen Funder.
berg of Denver to Mr. Arthur j.
Franks of Golden was solemniZcd
Tuesday. DR.. William S. Friedman If
fciating. Mr. Frank is connected with
tho School of Mines in Golden. Mr..
and Mrs. Frank will make their home
in Denver
Mr.. Herman Goldsmith arrived SUM-
day from New York City to join his
wife who has been in the city n week.
the guest of her mother. Mrs. Gus-
harb of 1912 High. Mr.. and Mrs.
Goldsmith were residents of Denver
and their many friends Will he de
lighted to meet them.
Miss Mary Yashvin is recuperating
nicely from the recent operation she
underwent for appendicitis at Mercy
hospital.
Mr.. and Mrs. Dave Harlem, Mr.
and Mrs Amson FIrich, Mr.. and Mrs.
George Harris. DR. and Mrs Louis
Adelman had dinner and spent the
evening at the Motor club Saturday.
Miss Frances Cohn entertained with
n porch supper Tuesday evening com
plimentary to Miss Rose RIVAL.
DIR. and Mrs. William s. Friedman
and family spent Wednesday at Trout.
dale.
Miss Lillian Leishin her house
guests the Misses Minnie and Yetta
Ieishin and Miss Sylvia Ziv OF Chi
cago spent the past week at the Cliff
House. at Manitou.
A delightful surprise supper in
honor of the birthday of Mr.. william
Il. Hene was rendered Mr.. and Mrs.
Hene Tuesday evening by nineteen
friends.
Mr.. and Mrs. \. Abenheimer return
! ed Tuesday from a lengthy visit with
their son-in-law and daughter Mr.. and
Mrs Florshcim of Roy. New Mexico.
Mrs. L. Simmons after months
visit with Mr.. and Mrs NJ. Baum. Mr..
The Denver Jewish news., 1922-08-09

Mr.. Amson Frutch departed Tues
day. after II pleasant visit with Mr..
and Mrs. David Harlem for his home
in New York City.
The Denver Jewish news., 1922-08-09

Mr.. Bezoun and his son Benny lef
Monday for Colorado Springs to b'
gone two weeks.
The Denver Jewish news., 1922-08-09

DIR. Frank Lande of Cincinnati has
accepted the position of medical assist
ant Mt the National Jewish Hospitn
for Consumptivcs.
The Denver Jewish news., 1922-08-09

Mr.. Adolph Abrahamd left Monda
for the east on n business trip.
The Denver Jewish news., 1922-08-09

Mr.. Milton Lesser spent the wee
end at Irldorado Springs.
The Denver Jewish news., 1922-08-09

They say poor man can be happy
but happy man isn't poor
The Denver Jewish news., 1922-08-09
THE DENVER JEWISH NEWS

Mrs. VIM. G. Weintrub entertained
n few ladies' last Thursday at n
luncheon bridge. in the home of her
daughter Mrs Herman Olde at Ever
green. Colo. This is the first of Il
series of parties which Mrs. Wein-
traub will give.
The Denver Jewish news., 1922-08-09

Mr.. Henry Hymer of Cleveland is il
the city for few days guest at the
Albany.
The Denver Jewish news., 1922-08-09

FOR SALE-Dry goods store living
rooms in rear: rent reasonable with
good lease: established for the past
Is years! going away. II. Hoffman
3315 w Colfay. 24t
The Denver Jewish news., 1922-08-09

Mr.. Phil Miller departed Wednesda!
for New York City ON n short buSi
ness trip.
The Denver Jewish news., 1922-08-09

Mr.. Ernest Morris accompanied b!
his son. Clarence, departed Monda!
for two weeks motor trip thru
Mesa Verde Park.
The Denver Jewish news., 1922-08-09

The B'nai Birth Lodge room in the
Odd Fellows building was slightly
damaged by fire Friday morning. The
damage was Immediately repaired.
The Denver Jewish news., 1922-08-09

WANTED-S Salesman: 500 and com
mission to sell guaranteed cord tires
direct from factory mt lowest prices.
Goodstoc.i Tire Co. HOG $. Michigan
Ave. Chicago. Ill. II.
The Denver Jewish news., 1922-08-09

DIR. A. Levy departed Saturday f"
his home in st. Louis after tw
weeks visit with Mr.. and Mrs.
Levy.
The Denver Jewish news., 1922-08-09

Mrs. l.. Weisman from Chicago i
visiting Mr.. and Mrs. Charles Prez
ant.
The Denver Jewish news., 1922-08-09

NEAT appearing boys and girls over
Is years of age for special work i'll
wealth Building. Cor. 18th and stout
ST Ny
The Denver Jewish news., 1922-08-09

Mrs Llcwllyn Beer returned this
week from Il two months sojourn il
California.
The Denver Jewish news., 1922-08-09
Social Neus

Mr. and Mrs. Bert Mansb0ch from
albuquerque who have been the house
guests of Mrs. Henry LANCER depart
ed sunday for their home.
The Denver Jewish news., 1922-08-09

Mr. r H. Ettenson left for Estes
Park to join Mrs. Ettenson. He Will
remain two weeks.
The Denver Jewish news., 1922-08-09

Mcsdamcs Henry Frankel. and Lulu
Frankel entertained with luncheon
ut Baurs saturday complimentary to y
few visitors.
The Denver Jewish news., 1922-08-09


accepted the position of medical assist
ant at the National Jewish Hospital
for Consumptives.
Mr. Phil Miller departed "Wednesday
for New York City on a short bust
ness trip.
Mr.. Ernest Morris accompanied by
his son. Clarence, departed Monday
for two weeks motor trip thru
Mesa Verde Park.
The B'nai Birth Lodge room in the
odd Fellows building was slightly
damaged by fire Friday morning. The
damage was Immediately repaired.
DIR. A. Levy departed Saturday for
his home in st. Louis after n two
weeks visit with Mr. and Mrs |.
Levy.
The many customers of Mr.. l.
Weiss formerly with the Iblidue del
icatessen will gladly follow him and
ask to be served in his new store at
400 18th street. Mr.. Weiss kind at
tentive treatment in serving his Gus
TONERS has made him many friends
who wish him great success.
Thru Mr. Il. Il. Allen athletic in
structor at the Rude Park play
grounds the services of Mr.. II. Eachus,
n player of the Stornby Rangers Soc.
Ger team of Manchester. England. and
Mr.. ]. II. Love. former Princeton Uni
vorsity Soccer. have been secured to
help coach the Soccer teams. Soccer
is becoming most important sport
at Rude Park.
Mr.. Love Mr.. Eachus and brother
will assist Mr.. Allen on Monday and
Thursday evenings. 1t is hoped n
large number will take advantage of
this expert coaching.
Mr. l. u. Ettenson left for Estes
Park TO join Mrs. Ettenson He will
remain two weeks.
The Denver Jewish news., 1922-08-09
Want Advertisements

Grocery store with building and double
terrace must he sold Mt once by own
er. must leave city. Phone Main
3S77. It,.
FURNISHED ROOM for rent, Jewish
girl preferred. 254f High street
York SSI7-W. 1t.
FOR SALE-Furniture store south
Broadway very good location about
$500 will handle if taken at once, in
Guiding 1919 Ford furniture delivery ::
3la year lease: very fine stock; owner
sick. must take rest. Phone STEW
or S-2S52-J.
WEST ColfaN Ave. property for sale
cheap: six room new bungalow,
strictly modern: hardwood floor. wire
cut brick See owner after p. IN.
Sunday all day. 1414 Lowell Boule-
ward. DIT.
The Denver Jewish news., 1922-08-09

Miss Hazel Berger. connected with
the National Jewish Hospital as trave.
ling field secretary, returned to Den
yer Tuesday after ten months ab-
sence. Miss Berger spent the month of
July visiting in Chicago and Kansas
city.
The Denver Jewish news., 1922-08-09

Mrs. Phil Miller Is entertaining
with. a series of parties for visitors
honoring her mother. Mrs. Simons ID
sister. Miss Pearl Simmons Mrs.
Miller was the hostess of two given
last week, Tuesday and Friday. Tues
day evening week she entertained with
a card party for Miss Pearl simmons
Vilas County news. [volume] (Eagle River, Vilas County, Wis.) 1896-1927, 1922-11-22
C.-S. Club Notice.

The posters announcing the
Maternity and Infant Health Cen
ter may be seen in downtown
store windows.
Mrs. DIR. Van Cleve will be at
the court house on Nov. 2Sth ia
examine mothers and children
free of charge. The county nurse
will also be present TO direct the
proceedings.
The C.-S. club at a special meet
ing Thursday last made several
new dress forms. Any outsider
interested is cordially invited to
come this week Thursday after
noon and see how they are made,
at the club rooms in the San
born building on Wall street.
General meeting on Saturday
afternoon. Members please come
early.
Vilas County news. [volume] (Eagle River, Vilas County, Wis.) 1896-1927, 1922-11-22
ERS ON AIS


G.. A. Pinkert0n went 10 Anti
90 Monday on business.
Kenneth White Of River Falls
visited at Eagle River Saturday
and Sunday.
Judge r. w. Carter went Mon
day TO Milwaukee expecting q
return Thursday.
Chas. NJ. Wagner came up from
Milwaukee for a few days 70 look
after his business.
Mrs. 7. johnson went to the St
Vincent hospital at Green Bay
for treatment last Thursday.
at Oshkosh on Thursday morning
She reports her mother recover.
ing nicely at Rhinelander hospi-
tai.
Mrs. VIM. Smith went Saturday
TO Odanah to see her siX-year old
boy who is sick with bronchial
pneumonia
Mrs. James Merical was a pas
senger on Mondays train. She
will spend two weeks visiting in
Milwaukee.
Rev J. j. Pierson who has
charge of Pho Mono college, St.
Francis, Milwaukee, returned to
Milwaukee Saturday.
NJ. A. Kildall of Stoughton has
been in town 10 oversee the sever
al buildings being erected by the
Hub City Construction Company.
Business called him away Monday.
Mr.. and Mrs. Bergstrom from
White Lake were up to their cot
tage on Little Twin. Mr.. Berg
strom got a buck the second day
out and returned home Saturday.
Elvina Gertz returned 10 school
VIM. Farrell, the genial station
agent and his wife and children
started for Milwaukee on Thurs
day last TO be gone about two
weeks. RumOr has it that a we'd
ding is 20 enter the vacation pro-
cecdinEs.
Vilas County news. [volume] (Eagle River, Vilas County, Wis.) 1896-1927, 1922-11-22

The following Is a tentative
order Of the Union Service to b,
held on Thanksgiving Day at Il
o'clock a. m.
Prelude rganist. Mrs. A. Wei
Doxolopy Congregation
lnv0cation-Rev. w. J. Davies
Anthem Congregational Church
choir
Responsive Psalms Reading
Hymn
Sermon-Rev. FIR. Mason
SOlo-Mrs. Al. We'll
Sacrament of Lords Supper
Hymn
Benediction
II is planned the service shall
not exceed one hours duration.
Vilas County news. [volume] (Eagle River, Vilas County, Wis.) 1896-1927, 1922-11-22
Sayner News.

Fred Meloy drove to Minocqua
Saturday.
Mr.. and Mrs. G. w. Sayner
drove TO Eagle River Sunday.
The Wednesday club met with
Mrs. o. w. Sayner last Wednesday
Grant Cook of Milwaukee is
visiting at o. w. Sayner's and
hunting.
Joe Froelich and family left
Saturday for Alabama TO spend
the winter.
Herbert Warner Sr., was home
for a few days last week from
his mill at Tomahawk Lake.
Henry Ernst has been visiting
his sister Mrs. G. w. Sayner and
while here ne got a nice buck.
Miss Astrid Johnson who was
staying with Mrs. Bert Warner
Jr.. was called home 10 Irma To
attend the funeral of friend.
Joe Denk Jr., while hunting
deer Friday shot a bear. Little
Margaret Fabian, sitting near me
says put in the paper Uncle Joe
got a fat bear"
Mrs. Herbert Warner, Mrs. +.
Meloy and Mrs. Herman Fabian
visited Mrs. Bert Warner Jr., on
Monday to help her celebrate a
birthday.
Frank Love, who was station
agent here last summer and his
brother visited at Herman Fabi-
ans last Saturday and Sunday
and during their visit went hunt
ing and got one buck.
Vilas County news. [volume] (Eagle River, Vilas County, Wis.) 1896-1927, 1922-11-22

A duck was killed on Nixon
lake in Villas county with an alum
mum band on its leg stamped,
Biological survey 10l56S. Upon
investigation by Conservation
Warden +. NJ. Weaver, it was
learned that the bird was a ring
necked duck banded at Belle
Island. Louisiana, February 18th.
1922. BY means Of these number
cd aluminium bands an import
ant investigation relative to the
migration and habits of native
birds Is being advanced.-The
New North.
Vilas County news. [volume] (Eagle River, Vilas County, Wis.) 1896-1927, 1922-11-22
THE DEVIL
(By The Dreamer.)

CBy The Dreamer)
Who was it washed the inky forms
In pages long and wide,
When Gutenberg first set his types
And swept the floor beside?
When Franklin was a journeyman,
And labored at the case,
Who was it brought him bread
and cheese
And sassed him TO his face?
When Horace Greeley, mighty man
Took up his fearless pen,
Who was it bawled, More copy,
quick"
And dared him in his den?
Why the devil, just the devil,
Not the one of horn and hoof,
But the inky, harum-scarum kid
That pulls the galley proof.
Now if you want to set take, "
And need a certain case,
Who is it hunts it up for you,
And brings it TO your place?
And if perchance you need lunch,
Who is it goes to buy,
A Wyman sandwich, or perhaps,
A piece of Child's pie?
And who when work is getting
slack, picks out the dullest days
To call upon the grouchy boss
And strike him for a raise?
Why the devil, just the devil,
With his grinning, dirty face,
The kid who's learning how to do
Your work, and take your place.
When you have passed your last
revise,
And signed the last o. KS,
Who'll carry on the ancient craft
In which you spent your days?
And who. my friend, in years to
come,
Will carry on the fight,
For honest pay, for honest work,
When you're forgotten quite?
And who when we have passed
Along will cause his printers
name,
To be engrossed forever in
Some future Hall of Fame?
Why the devil, just the devil,
An imp of ink and dirt,
Tomorrow, who can estimate
The power he may exert.
The New North.
Vilas County news. [volume] (Eagle River, Vilas County, Wis.) 1896-1927, 1922-11-22

FOR SALE-Ford, light delivery;
4 new tires, Hesler shock alb
sorbers. John Adams, Rhineland-
er. 13-tf
Vilas County news. [volume] (Eagle River, Vilas County, Wis.) 1896-1927, 1922-11-22
Leave for Alabama.

The Froelich families of Sayner
have left for the winter going to
Perdido Beach, Alabama, where
they operate a winter resort. Per
dido Beach is near the ocean and
is on the Florida-Alabama line.
They will not return until next
April.
Vilas County news. [volume] (Eagle River, Vilas County, Wis.) 1896-1927, 1922-11-22

FOR QUICK SALE will sell my
5-passenger Kissel car for $500.
Car in first-class shape. A bar
gain never equalled. Reason for
selling am leaving state. Inquire
Joe Peterson, care Dryz Silver Fox
Ranch, Eagle River. 27tf.
Vilas County news. [volume] (Eagle River, Vilas County, Wis.) 1896-1927, 1922-11-22
To Have Operation.

Miss Dorothy Williams of State
Line, well known in Eagle River
high school circles and daughter
to George Williams whose farm
lies a few miles west of State
Line, was taken to Minneapolis
last Thursday with appendicitis.
After operation her condition has
improved satisfactorily.
Vilas County news. [volume] (Eagle River, Vilas County, Wis.) 1896-1927, 1922-11-22
PUBLIC HEALTH MEET
Monday Evening at Opera
House Program Includes
Films.

Monday evening at S:15 o'clock
at the opera house a program will
be given on public health. The
program will include films of
moving pictures entitled "Our
Children" A talk will be given
by DIR. Mildred Van Cleve of the
state board of health. Miss Mar
ian Mccullough of the high
school teaching force will give a
paper, and several school songs
will be sung by the children of
the schools. Admission is posi-
lively free.
Vilas County news. [volume] (Eagle River, Vilas County, Wis.) 1896-1927, 1922-11-22
Two Ribs Broken.

Emmett Marco for the present
living with his son Leonard Mar
co in the Croker district was
hurt rather seriously last Wednes-
day. 1t seems he slipped while
ploughing and a handle of the
pillow bore against his side caus-
ing two ribs to be broken.
Vilas County news. [volume] (Eagle River, Vilas County, Wis.) 1896-1927, 1922-11-22

FOR RENT-Glenbrook Farm on
Plum Greek at Sayner; l75 acres,
so cleared. Ideal dairy farm with
plenty running water and good
pasture. Large new barn, new
chicken house; 5-room cabin set
in virgin pine. Also desirable
property for summer home for
family with small children who
would enjoy safe brook. Apply,
to Mr.. and Mrs. Leonard Peter
son, 6S7 Lincoln Ave-, Winnetka,
III. S-St*
Vilas County news. [volume] (Eagle River, Vilas County, Wis.) 1896-1927, 1922-11-22
Penny Supper.

Everyone is cordially invited to
attend the Penny Supper" given
under the auspices of the Par
ent-Teachers association at the
Masonic hall Nov. oath, from $50
until all are served.
Vilas County news. [volume] (Eagle River, Vilas County, Wis.) 1896-1927, 1922-11-22
Woman's Club Meets.

The Woman's club will meet at
Mrs. Walter Bent at Z o'clock
sharp on Monday evening, Nov.
9th. Come early.
Vilas County news. [volume] (Eagle River, Vilas County, Wis.) 1896-1927, 1922-11-22

FOR SALE-New log bungalow
and lot on Big Arbor Vitae lake.
See John Adams. Rhinelander,
Wis. 14-tf.
Vilas County news. [volume] (Eagle River, Vilas County, Wis.) 1896-1927, 1922-11-22

FOR SALE-Choice Lake Front
Lots on Chain-of-Lakes. Very
low price and easy terms, if de-
sired. Act now. Joseph F. Ha-
brich, Realtor, Eagle River, Wis.
Soft.
Vilas County news. [volume] (Eagle River, Vilas County, Wis.) 1896-1927, 1922-11-22

FOR SALE-40 acres 2 miles south
of village. Farm buildings; IL
acres in crop. For sale cheap. b.
Letherstrum. Tiff.
The Brunswick news., 1922-10-29
DIR. ROBERTS AT FIRST BAPTIST

Dr.. Roberts will preach at both
services at the First Baptist church
today at 1890 a. NJ, and 1890 p. N
and this will conclude the present
series Of evangelistic meeting at
this church The subject Of the
morning sermon VIII be Looking
Heavenward," and in the evening,
"The Call IF the Christian IDEAL .
Hil be the theme. A large number
of people have gone each evening
during these two weeks NO hear Df
Roberts preach, and they arc those
aiiie psaiizs 6Ilte Rj at, N5plue 10 them
seiVes and TO. the community Of get
ting. the benefit Of the teachings Of
really great Bible scholar who IS
deeply spiritual and presents his
theme SO interestingly. He will fb9
greeted by large congregations at
both services and cordial wclcomq
will be extended to all who come.
The Brunswick news., 1922-10-29
SUNDAY SERVICES
At THE CHURCHES

The services which have been in
progress at the First Methodist
church the past two weeks will close
this evening. DR.. Charles Lane, of
Macon, who has assisted the pastor
and whose gospel sermons have been
heard with pleasure and profit from
day to day, will preach morning and
evening. The subject of the morning
discourse will be, The Righteous and
Wicked in Contrast At night he
will present some lessons drawn from
the Indictment of the Master walk
ing on the sea. DR. Lane has been
for many gears a teacher and evan
gelist and possesses the happy facul-
ty of presenting in a clear, convinc-
ing manner the great truths of Tie
Bible. His preaching has been a
benediction to the people of Drums
wick, whose friendship and good will
he will carry with him throughout
the years.
Those who have applied for mem
bership in the church during the
|meeting will be formally received at
|the eleven o'clock service today. 70
3he success of the campaign no
small contribution has been made by
w II Taylor, who has directed the
congregational singing, and by MISS
Ions Burgay, who has presided at
|the piano
The Brunswick news., 1922-10-29

I'd Auelcy, well known Atlanta
was among the visitors to
sle city yesterday.
The Brunswick news., 1922-10-29
PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH.

The pastor, Rev f. D. Thomas will
preach at 11:30 a. IN. and 1880 p. m.
Sunday school is held at 1915 a. m
All seats are free and all are cor
daily invited to these services.
The Brunswick news., 1922-10-29
FIRST METHODIST CHURCH
Tbos. II. Thomson, Pastor.

Tbos. II. Thomson, Pastor.
Preaching at 1870 Il. M and 1880
p m. by Rev. Charles Lane, D. D.
Sunday school at 1915 a. M, 7. e.
Glover superintendent.
Church conference, Wednesday at
1880 p. m.
70 all services the public is cor.
daily invited.
The Brunswick news., 1922-10-29
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! PERSONALS !
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Alex Livingston, of Brookmau,
spent yesterday in the city.
W, J. Woodward, of Macon, was in
The city yesterday.
B. o. Havorn, of Atlanta, spent
yesterday here.
T. J.. Newsome of Atlanta, spent
yesterday here.
A. r. Davis of Jacksonville, spent
yesterday here.
Don McCaskill was over from st.
Simon yesterday.
G. L. Roger, of Savannah, spent
yesterday in the city.
c. E. Clark, Of the Dover Hall club.
spent yesterday here.
W. Il. Philips, of Savannah, is
pending few days in the city
w. 7. Grjmaa is back from a short
business trip to Savannah.
Geo. II. Cook and W. IL. Taylor
spent yesterday in Darien,
The Brunswick news., 1922-10-29
81. JAMES LUIHEl}

Gloucester and Wolf Streets.
Rev. W. a -Sadllor, ph d., PASTOR
Sunday School with Pastors BIN
Glass at 1918. Il
Church services at 1916 a. m. afi
Theme, God Is Love"
Luther League at 1900 o'clock !
Church Services with Reformation
Day sermon at 1880.
All are cordially invited to these
services.
At the special services on the
week day evenings the Rev. Stephen
Irayer, Of NARROW, Ga, preached to
good congregations and with good
effect He made many friends in
Brunswick and was much pleased
with our city, preferring it above
several well known Florida cities Of
Ike size with which he is acquainted
through residence of some length
The Brunswick news., 1922-10-29
CL0sING SERVICES or REVIVAL

The Rev. l.. z. Roberts viii preach
. the First Baptist church at both
Aning and evening services, which
close the revival services. The
is cordially invited to attend
services.
CHOIR will render at the morn
ice the following numbers;
Fhou Not known by Carl