The New York herald., 1922-10-14
This Is His Reiterated Ex-
planati0n From Stand
at Chicago.
ONLY WITNESS TO BALK
Commission Says All Others
Have Testified Freely-To
Act on Refusal.

Special Dispatch TO THE NEW YORK HERALD
CHICAGO, Oct. 13.--J. Ogden Armour,
principal owner Of the Armour Grain
Company and head of the Armour
Packing Company, refused to-day to
reveal his operations in grain from
July Is, 1920. to May 81, 1922. The re-
fusal was when he was recalled as a
witness before the Federal Trade Com
mission investigating speculation in
grain.
Attired in a sight fitting business
suit of black and wearing a derby that
seemed to be studded with care free
indentations, Mr.. Armour came fianked
with a retinue of secretaries and at
torneys. His usually fiorid counte-
nance deepened few shades as the
commissioners made every effort TO
persuade him 10 tell of his grain deals
He parried every question with the
skill of trained lawyer. He definitely
declined to answer any questions re-
garding his wheat operations. His ia
forite answer was, "On advice OF coun-
sell"
Resolution Read to Him.
Mr.. Armour was declared the only one
OF all the witnesses called by the COM
mission in Washington, New York and
Chicago who has refused requested in
formation.
After Mr.. Armour's first refusals to
make known his deals Victor Murdock.
acting chairman, read q resolution pre-
viously adopted by the committee urging
all witnesses TO cooperate In every way
in the inquiry.
do you still refuse TO give US this
information?" asked Mr.. Murdock
"Yes, i do" replied Mr.. Armour
Thus far you are the only witness
we have called who has not provided us
with all the information We have de-
sired" said Mr.. Murdoch. do you wish
to stand out alone?''
That Is scarcely n proper question"
Mr.. Armour replied.
We'll, do you stlll refuse?" countered
Mr.. Murdock. and Mr.. Armour responded
in the affirmative.
do you consider yourself paramount
to the public ss" asked John It. Nugent,
member of the commission.
Mr. Armour ignored the question, and
then Mr.. Murdoch told him that II would
United States Senate that he refused.
II have nothing to say as 10 that"
said Mr.. Armour.
Your refusal will be noted and action
taken" said Mr.. Murdoch. as the witness
was excused.
Interrogation begins.
Mr.. Armour was interrogated as fol-
lows by Commissioner Arnold earlier in
the proceedings:
q. Mr.. Armour. will you furnish TO
tho commission information OF your
purchases and sales from July I5. 1870.
to May 81, 1922? A. do not care 20
furnish them.
Q. On what grounds do you refuse?
A. don't know that / can give you
the definite objection-it is on the ad.
vice OF counsel.
Q. You know that in all cases where
this information has been asked Il has
been furnished? A. No, / do not know
that
q. You understand. Mr.. Armour that
this information is not. to oc used as
your individual record. but Is to be used
as part OF a sub-total for the commits
sion to determine just what causes are
influencing the grain market? A. Yes,
/ understand that.
Then Mr.. Nugent took up the ques.
tioning.
@. Are you aware. Mr.. Armour, of the
fact that the inquiry which Is being
prosecuted by US is through n resoiu-
tion adopted by the United States SEN
ate? A. l. understand you say 80.
Q. Are you familiar with this resolu.
tion? A. No. sir
Nations Food supply Involved.
Mr. Nugent requested the examiner to
read the resolution for the benefi, az
Mr.. Armour. He said to Mr. Armour.
You Will observe from the resolution
tfat this inquiry involves the foodst,ifr
OF the nation; that II has n direct bear
ing on the consumption of bread. and is
therefore. OF vital Importance to the
public. / will ask you once more IL Won
are still OF the opinion that you should
not nnswer2'
Yes, sir; l am still OF the same opln-
ion." was the answer.
Mr.. Murdoch then questioned Mr.. Ar
rour. II was evident from the attitude
OF the chairman that he felt sure MIR
Armour did not understand the position
his answers were putting him In. Mr.
Murdoch questioned as follows:
O. Mr.. Armour are you familiar with
the resolution adopted? A. No. sir.
You now stand as the only one who
has refused To supply the committee
with this Information. I want you TO
know this. Do you understand"
Yes. sir. I understand"
Then Will ask you why you will not
accedc to our demandsg"
u refuse simply on the advice OF coun-
scL" said Mr. Armour.
your refusal Is noted and action shall
be TAKEN said the chairman In dismiss