The New York herald., 1922-01-08

Then followed violent speech by
Mary MacSwlney. denouncing the re-
suit as worse than the betrayal of
Ireland in the days OF Castlereagh
(Viscount Castlereagh, Marquis OF
Londonderry, who was Chief Secre-
tary for Ireland in 79S and was In
strumental in carrying the union in
1900.
Mr.. De Valera rose again, sup
posedly to reply to Mr.. Collins's
overture. However, he took no no.
tice of it, and merely appealed to all
his own supporters in the Dali to
meet him at the Mansion House to-
morrow afternoon at 1 o'clock.
This evidently hurt Mr.. Collins
very much, but he quietly said: IF
the visible presence of myself and
colleagues is so distasteful. there
might at any rate be some accommo-
dation between the parties for the
purpose of public order" Minister
Burgess Immediately retorted: Il will
take care that the discipline OF the
army is preserved"
The Assembly then separated, to
meet at IL o'clock Monday morning.
No agenda for that session is indi-
Gated, and the only notice OF mo-
tion is one by the Speaker, Prof. Nc
Neill affirming in general terms irc'
lands independence and sovereign
status, for which all sections of the
Dali might unanimously vote. The
public is completely bewildered re-
garding De valera's intentions.
Great Crowd on Hand.
The largest crowd that had yet
gathered in front of the National
University greeted the Deputies as
they entered the building this after.
noon to hold the concluding session.
Much excitement attended the as
sembling of the members and every
available foot of space in the press
room adjoining the Dali chamber
was filled with guests Of the Dep
uties. a number of American visitors
were present.
Minister of Defense Burgess began
his speech against the treaty at S
Pm. He was loudly applauded OH
rising. He. spoke for several minutes
in Gaelic before beginning his argu-
ment in English.
Burgess proceeded to defend En-
skine Childers against attacks. He
said Childers had done as much as
any man and more than most men
tc arm the Irish people. Some
thought the treaty would enable
them to get arms. J. J. Walsh, he
added. had in a speech in Jail de-
clared that he would be willing to
take an oath any time if he could
get arms thereby. What, then, be-
came of the pretense that the treaty
would bring peace?"
AS to the oath, which, it was al
legged, Mr.. de Valera was willing to
take, it had been submitted to the
Cabinet, but there was no agree
ment. and it was dropped. The pres
ident had simply said that If nothing
else stood in the way of settlement
he would be in favor OF taking cer-
tain oath.
Doubt, peopIe Want It.
II had been declared in the Dali by
one of the deputies that South Kerry
was unanimous for the treaty, but
he had received letters from people
who counted, and he could speak for
young men, namely, two brigade COM
mandants, and they were absolutely
against the treaty.
Mr.. Grifith in private session had
asked him to repeat in public what
he had said to Mr.. Griffith on De-
cember 3, when the delegates were
returning to London. Griffith had
then declared he would not break on
the question of the Crown, and he
and Burgess had had a controversy
over this matter. Griffith then asked
him could his army undertake to
drive Great Britain out of Ireland,
and, OF course, he replied it could
not. But, he went on, IL was abso-
lutely unnecessary to be able to beat
all Of England's resources In order
to maintain their independence. He
(Burgess) objected to the oath in the
treaty on the ground that IL was an
oath of allegiance to the King. He
also objected to allowing England to
defend the Irish coasts. IL they had
fired their last cartridge and had
spent their last shilling, and their
last man was on the ground. that
man, il asked TO join the British En-
pire. would say: mo; I will not"
lie explained Mr.. de Valeras al
tentative plan, which he likened to
the plan of one business firm joining
another for a specific purpose.
A firm did not sacrifice its indi-
vidual independence by so doing. Tie
Irish were prepared 10 recognize the
British King as head of an associa-
ton, they were in favor not of COM
mon citizenship but reciprocal citi-
zenship. They were prepared. said
the Minister, 70 give England safe
guards that Ireland would not, IL she
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