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Indiana daily times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1914-1922, 1922-02-21
OHIO OPERATORS
INDICATE REFUSAL

COLUMBUS, Ohio, Feb 21-The IN
vitation Of John I. Lewis for a confer
ence between union officials and operators
will again be- refused, Ohio mine owners
indicated today.
Officials Of the southern Ohio coal en-
change. the first organization 70 abrogate
the four state wage agreement declared
they saw no reason to change their mind.
"Wa have not yet received the invita-
tiou from Lewis, but I see no reason why
we should change our stand said W. D.
Mckinney, secretary OF the Southern
Ohio Coal Exchange.
Mckinney, however, said the reply of
the organization would not be made IN
til after q conference with other mem
bers to be held here soon. Lee Han,
chairman Of the miners wage scale COM
mittee. expressed the opinion operators
would attend the conference. He said
the meetings would have no legislative
value other than to decide whether a sub
sequent session would be held to formal
ly consider wage and working matters
Indiana daily times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1914-1922, 1922-02-21

terences will receive at the hands Of the
operators.
In neither case are the miners any too
confident of success, it is admitted Some
union officials frankly admit they don't
think much" Of the prospects Of a sue
cesSfuI defensive alliance with the rail-
readers who, in effect. have been invited
to Join the miners in tle-up Of coat
mining and transportation April / in
event the mine workers are unsuccessful
in efectlng a new contract with the
operators.
The path to peace IN the coal indus
try, they admit, is anything but paved
with roses, With powerful groups OF
bitumtuous coal operators already lined
up for the enforcement of pay slashes
indications are they may have the aid
Of the Indiana operators, who heretofore
had been counted upon to meet the miners
half way. While ". L. Gould, presi-
dent Of the Indiana Operators Associa-
ton, declined to discuss the outlook
Terre Haute dispatches quoted Phil
Penna, secretary OF the association, as
saying the Indiana operators would not
entertain the conference invitation.
Miners headquarters VAS preparing to
send out the invitation and shortly viii
issue ballots to be used in the referen-
DUN OF the baf-miluon union miners on
the question of striking April to enforce
their demands, as recommended BY the
convention just closed here.
Indiana daily times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1914-1922, 1922-02-21
NATURE LOVES BRIGHT COLORS

We see the truth of this statement In
the varicolored flowers, the vivid sun
sets, the birds of brilliant pIumage. But
we never see 1t exemplifed more attrac-
lively than in the person of q splendidly
healthy woman. How does nature paint
this health? Why. in the rosy cheeks
the transparent skin, the smooth red
lips Of such woman. And she molds 1t
in firm flesh and rounded contours. The
aiIing woman Is deficient in natural
colorlng, and she does not even appear to
advantage in clothes that would set of
her more attractive sister. Many women
who long for glowing health will find that
they, too, can have these charms II they
will give a trial to that remedy which
brings strength to frail women-Lydia
E. Pinkham's Vegetable COmpOund.-Ad-
vertfsPment
Indiana daily times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1914-1922, 1922-02-21
WILL DISCUSS
MERCHANT FLEET
Speakers to Tell of AID.
vantages to indianapolis.

A discussion OF conditions IN the United
States shipping board and an outline Of
the advantages which would be accrued
to indianapolis industries By the proper
development Of an American merchant
marine win form the subject Of talks by
Edward c. Plummer and Matthew Hale,
representatives. Of the National Merchant
Marine Association, at a meeting to DO
held in the Chamber of Commerce build
ing at noon Friday.
An invitation has been extended by
John B. Reynolds, general secretary Of
the indianapolis Chamber Of Commerce,
to all persons interested IN the subject
Of a merchant marine
Mr.. Plummer, who has made an extern
sive study Of domestic and foreign ports
and Of shipping conditions ia Europe and
America, served as a pAymasfer in the
Navy during the Spanish American war
and later was attorney and secretary for
the Atlantic Carriers Association. He
represents the fifth generation OF chip
builders in bis family.
Indiana daily times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1914-1922, 1922-02-21
SUES TO STOP
ISSUE OF BONDS
FOR STATE FAIR
r. C. Scott Brings Friendly
Action tn Test Validity Of
Tnansfer Act.

A petition asking that the Indiana
board of agriculture, Governor Warren
T. McCray and Dean John II. Skinner,
Of the School Of Agriculture at Purdue
University as ex-officio members of the
board be enjoined and restrained from
proceeding further with proposed
million dollar bond issue to liquidaCe
outstanding debts against the board for
operating the State Fairgrounds, today
was filed in Superior Court, Room 4.
The suit was filed in the interest of
Robert C. Scott, representing the tax
payers Of the State. The other members
Of the board who are named as de-
PENDANTS are Simon w. Taylor, Guy Can't
well, Il. w. Pickhardt, Gif r. Kemper,
Harry NJ Mobrely, Samuel J. Miller Will
Harry w Wilson, Mac NJ. Cofing, Ebert
J. Barker, Thomas Grant, Edgar e.
Phillips, Lin Wilson, Charles L. Smith,
John Isenberger, Ulysses c. Brouse and
George Y. Hopper.
1t is stated in tho petition that the
board on March 8, 1921, executed a deed
of conveyance to the State for the pur-
pose of enabling the State TO conduct
exhibitions In the interest of agriculture
and allied industries at the falrgl ound.
On Jan. g. 1921, q resolution was passed
by the board calling for a loan OF ST.
100000, secured by mortgage, for the
purpose of Hquidating outstanding debts
against the board in operating the fair
ground. Bids were advertised. 1t is
claimed IN the complaint that the method
of obtaining the money is Illegal, as the
State, under the constitution, cannot
assume the debts Of any corpora tion.
This is known as a friendly 5uit and
as a test case to decide the validity Of
an act Of the Legislature n transferring
the State board OF agriculture to the
State.
Indiana daily times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1914-1922, 1922-02-21
Employees Asked to
Supply P. O. Slogans

Postoffice employees are asked to sug-
gest slogans to be placed on letters sent
out by the local postoffice in a bulletin
issued by Robert Il Bryson, postmaster,
today.
''It is our intention 10 give the post
office and the postal service as much pub
Hcity as we cam" Postmaster BrysOn
said, "and I believe that employees of the
office, who are in close touch with the
details Of the postal business. can give
as some valuable slogan suggestions"
The bulletin is as follows:
For the purpose Of advertising ana
selling the postal service TO the public,
it is the intention to place a slogan
either printed or written. at the bottom
CT each letter sent out by this office
''These slogans may pertain to any
branch Of the postal service-mail early,
parcel post, c. O. D. service, Treasury
savings certificates, postal savings,
money order, registration, etc.
"Postoffice employees are requested to
submit slogans or suggestions that oc-
cur to them as suitable for this purpose
Ehe sentence comprising the slogan must
consist Of only one line OF not more than
sixteen words. Make It snappy."
Indiana daily times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1914-1922, 1922-02-21
TODAYS BEAUTY HINT

1t IS not necessary TO shampoo your
hair 90 frequently II II is entirely and
properly cleansed each time ly the use
Of really good shampoo. The easiest
to use and quickest drying shampoo that
we can recommend to our readers is one
that brings out all the natural beauty
Of the hair and may be enjoyed at very
little expense. by dissolving teaspoon
full Of canthrox, which can be obtained
from any Druggist, In a cup Of hot water.
This makes full cup of shampoo liquid,
enough so It is easy to apply it to all
the hair instead Of Just to the top Of the
head. This, when rubbed into the scalp
and onto every strand of hair. chemically
dlssolyes all Impurities. 1t is very sooth
ing and cooling in It's action, as well as
beneficial to both scalp and hair. After
rinsing out the lather so created, you
will find the scalp is fresh, clean and
free from dandrun, while the hair dries
quickly and EVENLY developing a bright
lustre and soft fuffiness that makes 1t
seem very vy.-Advertisement.
Indiana daily times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1914-1922, 1922-02-21
Wall Street Plot to Get
Movie Control Suspected
Observers Believe Film World Scandals
Part of IpSidiOUs Propaganda.

heart OF a campaign for control cen
sorship agitation began. This censor
ship, it is said, was a plan to ruin the
industry and then buy in the wreck.
There was no real demand for censorship,
but the report says 1t was simple for
"big business's' to hire a few professional
reformers who made noise out OF all
ratio to their numbers and who created
fictitious but what seemed real, deman1.
When the chief Of these reformers was
placed on the stand and was asked the
source of the money that financed the
censorship campaign-that is to say, the
effort to ruin the motion picture indus
try, he refused to answer.
1t is said one Of the real reasons for
Wall Streets desire to control the motion
picture industry was 1t recognized in the
industry the most potent force, next to
the newspapers, and Wall Street desired
to control popular opinion, to make sure
nothing antagonistic to its interest was
uttered to he people.
The next step seemed to be- so to
blacken the names of the people engaged
in motion picture production, so as to
create demand on the part Of the public
these people be changed. What refer
ences, insiders and well-voiced outsiders
now are asking, has this attack on the
character OF people prominent in the
picture business, to the desire to put In
the representatives of ''big business" who
has just been driven out In confusion?
DEFEND CHARACTER
OF FILM PLAYERS.
People of Los Angeles, bankers, bust
ness men, newspaper owners, those en-
gagged In mercantile and industrial pur-
suits, who are intimately connected with
the personnel and habits of those en-
gagged in motion picture production and
distribution in Hollywood, have been
and are first to defend the habits OF
their neighbors and TO denounce as an
outrage this campaign of SANDER. Los
Angeles and Hollywood Chambers oS
Commerce officially have condemned va
rious persons who always are announc-
ing attacks and have upheld the integ-
rity and good name of the picture folk
The very clergymen who once demanded
censorship, now are first to defend the
attitude Of the motion picture business
it is asserted.
There have been dope parties and de-
baucheries in Hollywood, but they Were
staged by certain persons who are known
and who viii be prosecuted.
Indiana daily times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1914-1922, 1922-02-21
INDIANA COAL
OPERATORS MUM

TERRE HAUTE, Ind, Feb. 2L-Indi-
ana coal operators are Keeping mum"
about their answer TO the invitation Of
John L. Lewis, international president Of
the mine workers Of America 70 a wage
conference in Cleveland, March 2.
PHI Penna, secretary Of the Hoosier
opera tors. issued a statement Tuesday
morning in which he said he couldn't
tell what HIS answer would be. 81 have
not had time to communicate with other
operators" he said.
Indiana daily times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1914-1922, 1922-02-21
(B THOMPSON BUCHANAN.
Playwright, Author of "a Woman's Way"
Civilian Clothes and Others.
(Copxright. 1s2e, by UnIted PROSE-

ANOpS Ao~~g ny = AS0S(
Los ANGELES, Cal, Feb. 21.-"Is Wall
street trying to steal the film industry
us the mysterious murder Of William
Desmond Taylor, motion picture direc-
tor, shot to death in Los Angeles the In
cident that is to bring into the open the
battle of big business for control Of the
worlds fifth greatest industry 2"
These questions are being asked on all
sides, especially in view of the apparently
spontaneous, concerted attack on the In
dustry, the skillfully managed food OF
malicious vituperaton which Is now
sweeping the country from end to end
People who hold this belief point to
the fact Henry Ford and the movie are
not controlled by Wall Street and that
the money interests have been after both.
1t wasn't until the last two years that
Wall Street began seriously to take vital
interest in the motion picture industry.
The making Of pictures involves an
enormous outlay Of money and naturally,
as in all other big industries where
credit enters largely into financing, Wall
Street, it is said, was prompt to seize
upon the necessities If the producers.
Only @ few months ago in every de-
partment of one of the Mig companies rep
resentatives of big business" were, it
is said. SET TO learn Tue Dus4ueSs' Al
is said they boosted openly they were
about to take over the whole industry.
Then came a terrific fight and men whose
courage, whose foresight, whose brains
created the business won the victory
and regained control OF it. All the Wall
Street men planted in various depart
ments packed their little bags and went
on their way,
Every other company has not been so
fortunate.
Several Of the largest producers have
gone down in a battle which is said to
have been precipitated by money IN
terests. The greatest producer Of them
all whose name can be guessed easily,
apparently saysi whats the use? I'm
working for bankers now"
One Of his friends Is authority for the
statement mo matter how much wealth
his genius may create, he himself never
will be benefited in proportion to his
efforts
1t is being pointed out 1t was IN the
Indiana daily times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1914-1922, 1922-02-21
Marriage Licenses

Frank Weiss, 1914 Barth ave ........ Al
Barbara Kaiser, Chicago .......-.-.. 81
Martin Murphy, 81 s. fremont ...... 4.
Mary Rice, 626 S. West ST. ......... a
Joseph Mayer, 1884 S. Talbot st go. e
Martha Hupke, 2348 Prospect st &C.,. q
Charles Green, 24S1 Parkway Blvd O.. q
Mabel Fitzwater, 713 n. Delaware st. 81
Payton Parrot, 56s N. Highland ave. q
Irene Rodgers, Al n. Oxford st. ..... y
John Carroll, 1919 n. Pennsylvania q. 81
Hazel Healing, 1880 n. New Jersey .. 81
Joseph Brista, Camp Sherman. Ohio. %
Margaret Noon, 3148 Carson ave. go. e
Robert Stevenson, Hotel washington q
Mabelle Spray, 2347 Northwestern ... 2,
Joseph Robbins, Marion County ...... 3,
Goldyn Gusby, Marion County ...... AZ
Indiana daily times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1914-1922, 1922-02-21
VICTIM OF
INFLUENZA
Those Who Are Weak and Run Down
Easy Prey to Wide Spread Epidemic

Doctors agree that people who are weak
and run down are the earliest victims Of
the influenza epidemic, whose ravages are
assuming serious proportions in New Eng
land and New York
If you begin taking Father Johns
Medicine at once you build new strength
to fight off the grip.
The commonsense preventive is to be-
gin taking Father Johns Medicine at
once because the pure food elements OF
which this old-fashioned, wholesome
body builder is made are easily taken up
by the system and turned into vital, re-
sisring energy; giving you fighting
strength to ward off the influenza germ.
advertisement
Indiana daily times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1914-1922, 1922-02-21
WHITE HOUSE WILL
Try TO PREVENT STRTKE

WASHINGTON, Feb. 21.-The Admin
lstrahon VIII do Everything in its
power" to prevent a nationwide mine
strike on April / or thereafter, 1t WIS
stated officially at the white House to-
day.
Although the details Of steps being
taken by the Government were not dis
closed. 1t was stated that the situation
in the mine fields was being watched
closely by the Department Of Justice ana
the Department Of Labor and that off
cials were hopeful that the threatened
mine tie-up would be 0verted.
Indiana daily times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1914-1922, 1922-02-21
Births

Tommie and Ora Tabor, 1854 Newton,
Samuel and Gertrude Redmond, 1921
Calhoun, boy.
Lewis and Eva BOIHnger, 1865 South
East, girl.
George and Tresa Ricos, % North West,
girl.
Edward and Anna Elliott, st. Vincent
John and Lottie Benamy, 722 North
Delaware girl
Wellington and Leota Knapp. 1919
John and Clara McCotter. 43 Eastern.
Herbert and Ethel Martin, 2s44 Walker,
Charles and Margaret Patterson, 1925
n. Jackson, boy.
Elva and Blanche Wheeler, 2O15 Barth,
Samuel and Nellie Plasket, $50 North
Ewing, boy.
owen and Marie Danpert, 1895 Goodlet
girl.
Edwin and Gladys Mackey, Methodist
hospital, boy.
Frederick and Coral SEEKER, Methodist
hospital, girl
John and Hazel Pritchard, Methodist
hospital, boy,
Robert and Cora McCord. Methodist
hospital girl.
William and Marie Robertson, Method
William and Emma Hansman, Method
list hospital boy.
David and Genevieve Morgan, Method
list hospital, boy.
Joseph and Gertrude BrOdrick, Clarke
Blakeslee hospital, boy.
Karl and Florence Hayne 1858 North
Pershing girls (twins),
Benjamin and Mary stratton, 440 Dor
George and Mary Carpenter. city hos
pital, girl
Indiana daily times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1914-1922, 1922-02-21
Deaths

Mary Ann Logan. 1, or South Mis-
souri, broHcho pneumonia.
Rena White, Al, 1917 Commerce, uremia.
Harriet May Schackle, II days, 1924
Ringold, hamilton.
Cora Hiner, 48. city hospital, bronchc
pneumonia.
Bridget Mcdonald, 76. SO5 Weghorst,
Fred D. Kraft, so TIT Cottage acute
dilatation of heart.
James Russell Coulston, days, 164e
Ashland, acute cOlitis.
insufficiency.
Winifred Louise Strait, -, 1929 Walker,
atelecta sis.
William Jones, months, 1918 North
Pershing, influenza pneumonia.
George Wilson, 20, 2617 Ethel, pulm-
mary tuberculosis.
William H. Bixler, 65, 1927 Roosevelt,
bronchO pneumonia.
Hartman Fetta, 70, 500 East McCarty,
chronic myocarditis.
Indiana daily times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1914-1922, 1922-02-21
ANTHRACITE OWNERS
WILLING TO CONFER

WILKEsBARRE Pa, Feb. H--Au-
thracite Coal operators announced their
willingness to meet representatives OF
the United Mine Workers Of the anthra-
cite district TO discuss demands In au
an official statement iseued today.
The operators viii meet Friday at At
lantlc City 70 prepare for an intensive
work which viii precede the negota-
ftonR
Indiana daily times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1914-1922, 1922-02-21
SIG, 900 in Booze
Penalties Faced
by Chicago Hotel

CHICAGO, Feb. 21.-Officers Of the
Hotel Sherman Company, operating
the Hotel Sherman, one Of the larg-
est In Chicago, today face penalties
aggregating $4,000 in fines for al
legged violations of the prohibition
laws. A bill containing twenty-six
counts. charging the hotel company
with Irregularities in the sale Of wines
and whiskies valued at more than ST.
100000, has been filed in the United
States District Court. Failure to
keep a record of liquor permits, sale
Of liquor without permits and recH-
flcation Of liquor without payment
Of revenue taxes are among the Of
lenses charged.
Indiana daily times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1914-1922, 1922-02-21
A HOMEMADE GRAY
HAIR REMEDY
You Can Make a Better Gray Hair
Remedy Than You Can Buy.

Gray, streaked or faded hair is not
only unbecoming, but unnecessary.
Anyone can prepare a simple mix
ture at home that will darken gray
hair, and make it soft and glossy.
To half-pint of water add l ounce
Of bay rum, small box of Barbo
Compound and Il ounce OF glycer-
inc.
These ingredients can be bought at
any drug store at very little cost, or
the druggist will put it UP for you.
Apply to the hair twice week until
the desired shade is obtained. This
will make a gray-haired person look
twenty years younger. 1t is easy to
use, does not color the scalp, is not
sticky or greasy, and does not rub
off.-Adyertisement.
Indiana daily times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1914-1922, 1922-02-21
Ask State Probe
of Amish Schools

NAPPANEE, Ind. Feb. 21--A State in
vestigation into charges that German
language IS being taught principally in
Amish schools near NappRnee has been
asked. it was learned today. School au-
thorltles Of Kosklusko and Elkhart conn
ties already are investigating the charges.
It IS also charged that the Amish schools
are guilty Of fragrant violation Of the
trranCy laws
Indiana daily times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1914-1922, 1922-02-21
OPEN WINTER CAUSES TROUsLE

Life indoors with little or no eXer-
else and heavy food is apt to throw the
digestive organs out OF order. Foley
Cathartic Tablets cleanse the bowels |;
sweeten the stomach; invigorate the liver
Danish headache, biliousness, bloating,
gas and bad breath. J. 7. Osborne, Lu-
casville, O., r. f. d No. /. says: 60
sure will tell everybody 1 know about
Foley Cathartic Tablets" Sold Every
ere.--Advertisement.
Indiana daily times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1914-1922, 1922-02-21
SUES It. HI. a e. CONrPANY.

Damages Of $4,000 today were asked
In a suit filed in Superior Court, room
/, against the Terre Haute, Indianapolis
ard Eastern Traction Company by Emily
NJ Bussey, who alleges she was Sc
riousIy injured on Oct. 70, 1921, in Cen
teron, Ind, when her automobile was
struck BY a traction car.
Indiana daily times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1914-1922, 1922-02-21
DecOyed to Sea

GLASGOW, Feb. 21.-Two Scottish girls
were decoyed on board a ship here and
travelled halfway around the world be-
fore sscab ping. They are being sent
home FROM CaI1ao, Peru
Indiana daily times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1914-1922, 1922-02-21
Dress Woolens
Far Smart .CArfuu ToUr


Novelty materials are very
much the mode, and who can
doubt the ACCESSIBILITY of her
taste for them, when they
have made such an impression
upon the designers Of sports
and street apparel
Wool BHrveIEd
A rough homespun weave,
all wool. In block-checks and
plaids. Ideal for the new
skirt and cape costumes. 81
inches wide. $1.9S.
Checked TeI0urJ
In brown and black, navy
blue, and green, and black and
gray. 81 inches wide. $1.9S.
Striped Serge
An imported English pro-
duction, of fine tailoring
weight. Navy blue or brown,
with neat, fancy stripe in
white. "a inches wide.
@2.9S.
Prnnelha Stripes
Favorites still for plated
sports skirts; in a glorious
array of color combinations.
81 inches wide. $3.0S.
-Ayres--Wool goods,
second door.
Indiana daily times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1914-1922, 1922-02-21
You Need Not Have A Cold

II you will take Laxative BRoMO QUI-
NINE Tablets when you feel the first
symptoms Of q Cold coming on.-Ad-
Wertisement.
Indiana daily times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1914-1922, 1922-02-21
Glass Curtains and Cretonnes

After you have heard Mr. Ross Cranes lectures interior
decorating and have decided just what kind of window
treatment your home needs you invited inspect
the great variety of curtains curtanings and drapery
terials presented by l. Ayres Co drapery department.
Here every kind of fabric for purposes that any
home paata apartmenta would require for winter or
summer. Dainty, cool, airy things in order,
Army net in white only, 80 inches wide 25c the yard
Figured scrim, Sc inches wide, 100 the yard.
Dainty colored creonnes in pink blue orchid yellow
bedrooms SO inches wide, 25c the yard.
Suitable edges for trimming, Sc the yard.
Burap in three good tones-brown green and natural,
So inches wide, 25f the yard
-Ayres-Drapery dept, fourth floor
Indiana daily times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1914-1922, 1922-02-21
Sand Art

An amusing sand stencil set,
complete with sand and stem
ciL 75e.
Crazy Traveller, an enter
tanning novelty, S1.OO.
ChemcTaft, an exciting and
instructive plaything that gets
fun out Of chemistry, 75c.
Finch, that eyer-popular
game, 75t.
Dominoes, another old Ia
vurftA, CSC
Drawing N ssteF tables
small size, $500
-Ayres-Toys, fifth fnor-
Indiana daily times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1914-1922, 1922-02-21
LEWIS CALLS
WAGE SESSION
FOR MARCH 2

Continued From Page one.)
Indiana daily times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1914-1922, 1922-02-21
Composition
Ivory
Mirrors, S.45

White bonnet shape mirrors,
fust % IN the group
Golden Clint shampoo and
tint in l package, 19c.
Stork incense burners, I6G-
POGO hard water CASTLE
soap, zoe.
Powdered pUnfcg, Zoe.
-Ayres-Toiletsy street -four
Indiana daily times. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1914-1922, 1922-02-21

One thousand knitted
ties in color combina-
tions very effective, also
in plain colors In novelty
weaves. Many interest
ing cross stripes, too.